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[QUOTE=Mogwai;1578966]This is a misunderstanding, Cebu Pacific is still flying Bangkok - Clark v.v. See post #14460.[/QUOTE]Till the end of this month only. From 1 July they'll do only Bangkok-Manila.
I wouldn't count on their Singapore-Clark service being around for much longer either.
Wow, this is sad. With the raids, the flights, it almost seems like someone higher up is making a concerted effort to bring AC down.
[QUOTE=Manny51;1579103]Wow, this is sad. With the raids, the flights, it almost seems like someone higher up is making a concerted effort to bring AC down.[/QUOTE]No it doesn't. Airlines are in business to make money. Clark is not a money making route so no company with any business sense should fly there. The last ticket I bought out of there to Thailand cost me less than $3.
[QUOTE=Manny51;1579103]Wow, this is sad. With the raids, the flights, it almost seems like someone higher up is making a concerted effort to bring AC down.[/QUOTE]No I think is like one of those internet memes. The AC is dying thing has grown a life of its own, mostly perpetuated by newer guys who seem to think they know it all. Raids have existed forever. Before the Koreans it was the Japanese etc. The bar district does look a little bit tawdry compared to my first experience of it 7 years ago but that could be partly just nostalgia.
I proved to myself last week that there are still pretty willing bed partners available for hire there. Gosh I can't get rid of them! They keep coming over for a shag on their day's off! Thank the monger gods they all have different days off (because I only allow one from each bar hehe).
If anything I think the scene is easier than it used to be. Girls are more worldly now.
AV.
[QUOTE=Amavida;1579129]No I think is like one of those internet memes. The AC is dying thing has grown a life of its own, mostly perpetuated by newer guys who seem to think they know it all. Raids have existed forever. Before the Koreans it was the Japanese etc. The bar district does look a little bit tawdry compared to my first experience of it 7 years ago but that could be partly just nostalgia.
I proved to myself last week that there are still pretty willing bed partners available for hire there. Gosh I can't get rid of them! They keep coming over for a shag on their day's off! Thank the monger gods they all have different days off (because I only allow one from each bar hehe).
If anything I think the scene is easier than it used to be. Girls are more worldly now.
AV.[/QUOTE]To say things hasn't changed. One has to be blind or out of touch w / reality. Raids occurred in the past. But not at the frequency rate since 2013.4 or 5 raids a year in the past. Vs. 2 or 3 raids a month now. Plus momasans are remaining in jail w / HT charges pending.
There is no blow road any longer. It has been reduced to 1 or 2 bars left. When there used to be 5 or more. And none do on site service any longer. Raymond street bars have been reduced by 1/2.
A few bars maybe 4 or 5 have no take out at all in no fashion. Those that do, each bar has its own process for taking girls out. If not known, a guy can easily be told, No take out. (neither of which happened or was even a thought 5 yrs ago).
Many girls refusing BF's under any condition. (again this was rare 5 yrs ago). Yeah they may have had a preference but to say they totally did not do BF period was unheard of.
Perimeter bars with very few girls due to many leaving afraid of being caught in a raid or lack of customers. These things are only getting worst as raids continue.
Its not the mongers who feel the pinch the most. Its the Mamasans, girls, Bar staff. How long will mamasans continue to chance going to Jail on charges. There are several still sitting in jail now.
Sure one can still have a good time. But to say. Things have not changed for the worst is definitely not true.
[QUOTE=Amavida;1579129]No I think is like one of those internet memes. The AC is dying thing has grown a life of its own, mostly perpetuated by newer guys who seem to think they know it all. Raids have existed forever. Before the Koreans it was the Japanese etc. The bar district does look a little bit tawdry compared to my first experience of it 7 years ago but that could be partly just nostalgia.
AV.[/QUOTE]It is helpful, thanks for keeping things in perspective. Always consider the source of reports: first time somewhere people don't have any idea of what they're experiencing only that they can actually get laid, it blows their minds. What a sad life they must lead wherever it is they came from. AC like everywhere is what you make of it.
[QUOTE=Betong;1578851]Yeah, I figured that service wouldn't last long. For all the big talk about becoming Manila's 2nd hub, Clark is really fizzling out. The only international destinations left now are Seoul, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, and Doha. Domestically it's even more hopeless: only Cebu and Caticlan.
I never mind spending a day or two in Manila so I wouldn't care if NAIA didn't suck so much and it weren't such a pain in the butt to get from Manila to AC. Last time I tried Philtranco, since they have a bus from Pasay right to Clark. Take my advice, avoid it. It was hopelessly late and then took forever to get around Manila on EDSA. Yes, they dropped me off right at Checkpoint but it wasted the better part of a day. If you're going by bus stick with the ordinary Five Star etc ones to Dau.[/QUOTE]I agree, I was planning my yearly PI visit and found out the hard way. I usually book flights on Cheapo Air. Last month there were several options from US to Clark at a substantially lesser price. Now the flights are not available. I knew I shoulda booked when I checked then, but I always price check several sites for the best deals. My loss this time as the rates are 20% higher now.
TheDude
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1579220]To say things hasn't changed. One has to be blind or out of touch w / reality.[/QUOTE]You're fully entitled to your views. Your negative view seems a bit emotive but I respectfully don't want this to degenerate into a pissing contest. I'm on speaking terms with Mamma's here & I can assure you they are FAR from victims. Yes the raids are an inconvenience but the smart ones keep their girls' I'D's legit & fight the cops tooth & nail in the courts (and win). A few days later its back to business for them. The current spate of raids is related to politics. Read up the news. This to shall pass. Yeah some of those grotty blow jobs joints have thrown in the towel, like mushrooms new ones will replace them. I'm not getting any higher rate of 'rejection' now than I did 7 years ago. Newbies rush into bars point at the best looking bird & say lets go! (I know because I was that guy 7 years ago, I quickly learned hehe) . Sorry that's not how it ever worked, either here in AC or anywhere else for that matter.
We enjoy to read field reports, impressions & experiences.
Please lets keep this in perspective & not get hysterical!
Respectfully.
AV.
Amavida,
Your love for Angeles is heart warming if blinkered, here's some facts.
There has not been one mamasan or bar owner who had fought in court and won far from it, the only bar owner that has tried to fight the establishment has been in jail for the last 2 years, is in very poor health and is begging on all angeles based boards for donations to keep him alive and pay for his legal team, fully expect him to be held in prison for some years to come until he either dies or finally his case comes before a judge who will not look favourably on a foreigner who decided to sell pinay pussy for a living.
If bar owners / mamasans are lucky enough to be raided by the local police forces then a very large payment, usually in access of 2 million pesos paid by the bar owner will see all released and the bar reopened until the next time it is raided for gain.
If the bar owners / mamasuns are unlucky and the big guns from camp crame with help from the American do good brigade come knocking then money won't get you out of jail, Human traffic charges are brought against those arrested which is an unbailable offence which carries a mandatory 20 years jail time.
The most worrying aspect for mongers is the recent bar arrests of foreigners in bar raids.
Now I know you only been going to ac some 7 years and may not have been around to see the closed door bar parties, body shots, blow jobs and full sex handed out right there in the bar,100% of all girls eager to barfine and to please, all night sessions was the norm.
What are we left with.
Girls that are fully clothed on stage, no body shots, no t backs (thongs) no in house blow jobs / full sex / girls that are average in looks at best, many over weight girls, high percentage of girls who won't barfine or will only barfine with certain cultures, girls that turn promised lt to st with excuses of feeling sick / hygiene in morning / friend for got her key / have to visit Manila early morning etc etc.
Then we have board members who say, let the girl choose you, don't go for the good looking ones, the old ones are better, the fat ones are better.
Here's news, most mongers who fly half way around the world at great expense want to have sex with good looking / thin / younger girls, the type of girl they can't attract at home, if one has to settle for a girl that chooses or a plain / fatter girl then most can get that for free back home and save the expense of travel.
So to say angeles is still a good place to monger, I would have to seriously doubt that fact.
[QUOTE=Amavida;1579355]You're fully entitled to your views. Your negative view seems a bit emotive but I respectfully don't want this to degenerate into a pissing contest. I'm on speaking terms with Mamma's here & I can assure you they are FAR from victims. Yes the raids are an inconvenience but the smart ones keep their girls' I'D's legit & fight the cops tooth & nail in the courts (and win). A few days later its back to business for them. The current spate of raids is related to politics. Read up the news. This to shall pass. Yeah some of those grotty blow jobs joints have thrown in the towel, like mushrooms new ones will replace them. I'm not getting any higher rate of 'rejection' now than I did 7 years ago. Newbies rush into bars point at the best looking bird & say lets go! (I know because I was that guy 7 years ago, I quickly learned hehe) . Sorry that's not how it ever worked, either here in AC or anywhere else for that matter.
We enjoy to read field reports, impressions & experiences.
Please lets keep this in perspective & not get hysterical!
Respectfully.
AV.[/QUOTE]Oh don't get me wrong. I still think AC is a Fun place to go. And everyone can have a great time.
My point was it has changed. And it's not as easy going for all as it used to be. Finesse was not needed. One could point and shoot and pretty much be sure the girl would go. Rejection rate was not to level it is now. Dancers wore see thru tops in a lot of bars. Painted nude dancers. Matrix braun. Getting a blow job while sippin on your beer at your table.
These are things you see only rarely, if ever now. They were an ordinary occurrence.
Can a guy still go and have a great time. He absolutely can. Its just not what it was and never will be again.
Good posts. Helpful and good to keep perspective. Also, in fact you didn't actually say that "nothing has changed" (that was mistakenly inferred, I believe); more like plus ca change plus see'est la meme chose. But of course things do change, it's just not to say that the reaction is proportional to the change (or that everything being said is accurate or anything other than a matter of opinion in some cases).
So alas, the conclusion seems to be that things aren't exactly as they have been in the past (when has that ever been the case? And maybe at the moment not for the best (I tend to agree), although perhaps this is not a reason to be overly pessimistic (I definitely agree). And, there might even be some bright spots and silver linings (probably true).
BTW, where else do you enjoy mongering, and have you noticed changes (or more of the same) in those places? Would be interested in hearing your continued comments.
[QUOTE=Amavida;1579355]You're fully entitled to your views. Your negative view seems a bit emotive but I respectfully don't want this to degenerate into a pissing contest. I'm on speaking terms with Mamma's here & I can assure you they are FAR from victims. Yes the raids are an inconvenience but the smart ones keep their girls' I'D's legit & fight the cops tooth & nail in the courts (and win). A few days later its back to business for them. The current spate of raids is related to politics. Read up the news. This to shall pass. Yeah some of those grotty blow jobs joints have thrown in the towel, like mushrooms new ones will replace them. I'm not getting any higher rate of 'rejection' now than I did 7 years ago. Newbies rush into bars point at the best looking bird & say lets go! (I know because I was that guy 7 years ago, I quickly learned hehe) . Sorry that's not how it ever worked, either here in AC or anywhere else for that matter.
We enjoy to read field reports, impressions & experiences.
Please lets keep this in perspective & not get hysterical!
Respectfully.
AV.[/QUOTE]
Nothing to worry about, I just got back a few days ago. I actually felt it may have improved since my last visit around Feb.
I've been going for last 7 or 8 years, and each time felt it was slowly getting worse, as I felt Pattaya was too. In terms of quality and availability of free and paid. I put this down to more people going there as both places always seemed to get more busy.
It is still one of the easiest places to get laid in asia and I feel its just a mental thing about people saying here and elsewhere online that its coming to an end. The average tourist there seem to know nothing about it, bars all had customers having a good time and bar fining. (first time I went I was the only young guy I saw, half the bars were empty and there wasnt a single white women) We spotted white girls there twice in bars having drinks with girls.
I was with two friends one 28 the same as me and one 29 yo Indian, Indian was a first timer and another who has been going maybe 4-5 times over the past 2 years. Noone had problems bar fining, or told it wasn't allowed. High society had plenty of girls for both free or paid. Paid was generally 1000 although the indian paid 1500 once when getting desperate at 5 am.
Barfines were around 2000-2700. We bar fined at ponytails, lancealot, shooters (I even got a freebie at Shooters), Golden Calpaso, Bunny Ranch, La Bamba, inquired at others and most were ready. In fact I asked Viking out of interest and was told the price (I forgot now) but last trip I asked and was told not allowed here. Alot of the time I had dates during the day and barhoped and got drunk at night not necessarily taking a girl each night, which was still fun here and I can't see it changing soon. Sure they arnt as crazy and BJ in bar but still easy to have a good time.
What I don't like about this place is it makes me sicker than anywhere else in the world, maybe because the cheap alcohol and lack of food. I drink the local vodka, used to drink the rhum but still both seem to make me more sick than usual. Has anyone else noticed this? Where ever I am I drink to excess on holidays but ac seems the worst.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1579379]Amavida,
Your love for Angeles is heart warming if blinkered, here's some facts.[/QUOTE]Wow that's quite a list of grievances & opinions you have there. I can only go on what the mammas are telling, I don't go stand in the Manila courts & watch. Do you? I agree the bullshit from the Americans is a different kettle of fish but it won't go on forever. I don't monger in the bars anymore, I have plenty of talent available from other sources but in the interests of balance I went down there last week two nights in a row to eye ball all this doom and gloom. Got to tell you I didn't see much to correlate with these doom reports. Near naked girls in tiny bikini's, nice selection depending on bars, taking out a girl as simple as asking, being invited to cunnilingus right there in the open bar (I'm sure a BJ could have been available but I wasn't concentrating).
I'll leave it to others now, I have a SYT to play with.
Cheers.
AV.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1579444]Oh don't get me wrong. I still think AC is a Fun place to go. And everyone can have a great time.
My point was it has changed. And it's not as easy going for all as it used to be. Finesse was not needed. One could point and shoot and pretty much be sure the girl would go. Rejection rate was not to level it is now. Dancers wore see thru tops in a lot of bars. Painted nude dancers. Matrix braun. Getting a blow job while sippin on your beer at your table.
These are things you see only rarely, if ever now. They were an ordinary occurrence.
Can a guy still go and have a great time. He absolutely can. Its just not what it was and never will be again.[/QUOTE]How about Subic and Manila? What are they like? Have they gone downhill too? If so, what is the best place to visit now in the PI? Subic looked particularly good, as I heard that there is excellent diving nearby.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1579444]And it's not as easy going for all as it used to be. Finesse was not needed.[/QUOTE]Well, I like to think that a bit of finesse never went astray, even in the old days. And I go back to the era of Clark AFB, when things could get seriously wild. Even then, if you wanted the very best girls, it was usually more than point and shoot.
The changes we're seeing in AC pretty much mirror those everywhere else around SE Asia over the past decade or two. Prices go up, quality of girls goes down, and the girls who remain can afford to be more picky. But still, for any guy who's willing to spend a bit of time and money, it's not going to be a problem to find some fun. Still definitely one of the best places in the region, in my opinion, especially in terms of value for money.