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I'm not concerned about the law change and will just go with the flow. Sure, I'd rather things stayed as they are, and I won't pay additional for BBBJ. I am sure that I will still have fun with the girls.
The risk of getting caught also does not concern me. As someone who used to punt in countries where it is against the law, I am familiar with these risks.
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Employees of the authorities would have to spend as a sex worker to control the suitors. This would not be feasible for logistical and ethical reasons.[/QUOTE]Are you saying I won't be allowed to bang a german polizeilina from the rear? I was getting so hyped up now I almost had my bookings ready. Are you aware of what you are doing to the potential Hessen tourism industry by ruling out this possibility now?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2051644]We're not concerned about the 50k fine because it may never happen. Also, many of us are assessing whether Germany is even a consideration for future mongering trips. I'm personally taking a break until November to see where the chips land.
Personally I refuse to pay 50 euro for room + 50 euro for DFK + 50 euro for BBBJ. Add on a 70 euro entry fee and you're at 220 euro average if you only find 1 girl, 185 euro average for 2 girls, 173 euro average for 3 girls, etc.
Hopefully NRW pricing structure still sticks and for 30 minutes it's 50 euro with standard DFK inclusive + 25 euro BBBJ + 60 euro or less entry (GT price).
Compare this to say Montreal, Canada where you can get a pretty decent looking 18-20 year old escort for 135 euro per HOUR. Toronto, Canada prices just slightly higher. 30 minutes is 80 to 107 euro per half hour. DFK and BBBJ is standard at any reputable agency. Service is better than standard Romanians. Girls are almost all friendly and not sharky. Closer to the USA for those from there so cheaper airfare. Only downfall is no face pics but girls now have Twitter and you can get a pretty good sense on their faces from some of the videos they post. Even if you bat 50% on hot faces you're still ahead.[/QUOTE]Man, you're reading my mind. I was thinking depending on what happens after June 30 I may visit Canada instead of Germany for my not so cheap thrills.
BTW the girls tell me that Wednesday is the best day of the week for them.
A lot seems to be worried about the condom obligation. I believe the main point of this obligation is to relieve girls from the pressure to do it because every other girls do it. It will probably become more expensive but after all 50 Euro is not that much.
What is really worrying about this new law and this is probably the most reluctant part for girls, is: the registration. They already have to register but some fear that with the new law they just can't work without those additional administrative papers. And this is a problem for girls because after, they will have to declare their revenue by paying an accountant and pay taxes. I heard different versions: something like 30% of their revenue, something like a thousand euro per month.
But Romanian girls do not care about social security in Germany, they want to make money, return to their country and forget about it. It seems there will be a transition period until first January but after that date some girls will not come back at all. Unfortunately, I think it is the most pretty girls who will try to find another country where it is more easy to work and well paid (like Switzerland?) FKKs line up decline is the most worrying thing! According to my last visits in FKK, it is already happening, it will only get worse.
Hi all,
I will be in sharks tomorrow at about 5 pm. Anyone there to grab a beer drop me a pm.
Happy mongering.
Agree with what UltraHappy writes. Business is already slow. BBBJ as 50 EUR extra makes Germany less attractive as a destination for international guests.
However, if certain WGs stipulated that BBBJ is only available for 100 E /60 min sessions or 100 E /30 minutes with CIM, then that would be a concession on both sides.
[QUOTE=Craiova;2051504]Indeed at the Hessen clubs is low business the last time (one effect Ramadan), there isn't no last chance BBBJ rally. We must wait if additional P6 business move from street walkers, apartments, escorts or RLD to FKK club scene otherwise I doubt that all German FKK clubs can survive in the future.[/QUOTE]I am curious if the average FKK customer even knows about the new July 1st laws. If men are not reading forums regularly, they might not even know about it.
Perhaps that is why there hasn't been the "last chance June 2017 BBBJ rally" that you predicted. When you wrote that, I thought, "that makes perfect sense". But maybe we were both making the assumption that everybody else thinks like a hardcore monger.
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However, if certain WGs stipulated that BBBJ is only available for 100 E /60 min sessions[/QUOTE]This isn't an issue as long as 100 for 60 includes both DFK and BBBJ. However, there is a possibility it becomes 150 for 90. I definitely don't want to commit to 90 minutes with every new girl.
Anyone speak to NRW girls about their feelings after July 1? I'm really curious on clubs like GT who are strict on girls not overcharging.
I was driving through all Germany from north to south yesterday, and had a very pleasant pit stop at Sharks.
I am not a very experienced visitor to FKK's, but have visited three and made this my fourth. Favorite so far is Artemis, which I have visited 5 times the couple of last years.
I was very excited to visit Sharks, and had read many, many pages in this forum the last moths to be prepared. I arrived some minutes before the opening at 11 am, the most obvious advantage was a parking lot very close to the door. Very close to the opening there were very few girls, I counted less than 10, but they dropped in as the time went by, and in a couple of hours there were about 30.
First I had breakfast, I will call it ok. The bread and salmon was good, the socalled crabsticks was not. I wasn't there for food, but it was my lunchhour so I was happy with that. I had lunch in the garden, and what a garden! Very big and elegant, I loved the small houses around. Too bad I didn't get to try them. The garden and the poolarea must be the best in the business? I also liked the indoor-area, and tried the sauna a couple of times before playing. I must say Sharks looks like a very decent club!
I was a little disappointed by the number of girls. Most of them were young, but I like them a little more mature. Most of them looked very hot to me, but none of them were defined as my type. After my lunch I was approached by a nice woman called Angelica from Lithuania (or maybe Latvia? She was very nice and more of my type than the youngest. She had wide hips and big ass (some will probably call her ass fat), and hangers, but I like her body and her behaviour. I told her I would consider meeting her in 30-45 min. I had to watch her around a little, and finally decided to go with her. What a fantastic 30 minutes that was! I must have had sex with many hundred of WG's all over the world, this is the best BJ I have ever had! She did it excactly the way it should, my english is limited so I am not able to describe. Angelica also told me she is 42 yo, must have been the double of the average age of the girls. I like women that are like her, I will never forget her.
After Angelica I was a happy man, and just enjoyed being around this disneyland for adults. I really like the atmosphere in the big FKK's, much better than the small ones. Having my eyes resting at lots of eye-candy, you know what I mean. I enjoyed sitting in the sun watching hot girls walking by, only thing I wonderes was why don't the girls spend more time outside when the wheather is good? They for sure spend enough time inside through the year.
As the number of girls were slightly growing I understood I should have had more time, but I had to leave at 4 pm. I was about to leave when I saw an very sexy woman in the reception. She had very short blond hair, her name was Lisa. Very fit, very smiley, siliconed tits (which I don't like, but they looked ok) and in general a very sexy woman to my taste. As she entered the bar-area I approached her and we agreed on a standard 30 minutes. Her BJ was good, but not close to Angelicas skills. Lisa was from Czech and didn't understand a single english word, so our talking was extremely limited. She was good, but I think her looks appealed more to me than her sex-skills.
All in all I found Sharks a very good FKK. I hope I will be able to visit again. Too bad Frankfurt is far away from Scandinavia, and flight tickets are pretty expensive as well. I would have loved to spend more time, and then of course try the outside cabins.
Thank you also to all you seniors who have given me many good advices!
[QUOTE=Nr71;2052050]I was driving through all Germany from north to south yesterday, and had a very pleasant pit stop at Sharks.
I am not a very experienced visitor to FKK's, but have visited three and made this my fourth. Favorite so far is Artemis, which I have visited 5 times the couple of last years.
I was very excited to visit Sharks, and had read many, many pages in this forum the last moths to be prepared. I arrived some minutes before the opening at 11 am, the most obvious advantage was a parking lot very close to the door. Very close to the opening there were very few girls, I counted less than 10, but they dropped in as the time went by, and in a couple of hours there were about 30.
First I had breakfast, I will call it ok. The bread and salmon was good, the socalled crabsticks was not. I wasn't there for food, but it was my lunchhour so I was happy with that. I had lunch in the garden, and what a garden! Very big and elegant, I loved the small houses around. Too bad I didn't get to try them. The garden and the poolarea must be the best in the business? I also liked the indoor-area, and tried the sauna a couple of times before playing. I must say Sharks looks like a very decent club!
I was a little disappointed by the number of girls. Most of them were young, but I like them a little more mature. Most of them looked very hot to me, but none of them were defined as my type. After my lunch I was approached by a nice woman called Angelica from Lithuania (or maybe Latvia? She was very nice and more of my type than the youngest. She had wide hips and big ass (some will probably call her ass fat), and hangers, but I like her body and her behaviour. I told her I would consider meeting her in 30-45 min. I had to watch her around a little, and finally decided to go with her. What a fantastic 30 minutes that was! I must have had sex with many hundred of WG's all over the world, this is the best BJ I have ever had! She did it excactly the way it should, my english is limited so I am not able to describe. Angelica also told me she is 42 yo, must have been the double of the average age of the girls. I like women that are like her, I will never forget her.
[/QUOTE]Sorry but it seems you got a great time with Angelica why you just stayed 30 minutes with her?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2051945]...Anyone speak to NRW girls about their feelings after July 1? I'm really curious on clubs like GT who are strict on girls not overcharging.[/QUOTE]I was there last week and talked to many girls, from different clubs as well, about the after July 1st. None of them would give me a straight anaswer, probably because they don't know yet how things will shape up. However, they all seem to think they will be making more money. IMO, the days of 50-Euro sessions are probably over. I had to pay 100 Euros to get my usual services. None of them would go for 50.
I talked to some girls about these topics. What I found was that 2 girls I talked to are leaving due to the registration. At least one was open about it (Delia at Oceans) The other one kinda said it indirectly (Amelia at GT). But aside from those two, I believe everyone else I talked to about it are staying. I didn't question anyone in hessen regarding this though.
The BBBJ question is less of a trigger for them. Some of those who likes to upsell CIM will probably continue with BBBJ. Some will only do CBJ etc etc. Some haven't heard about the rule change and say they don't care or that nobody will ever check for it. So nothing changes. I believe this might be overhyped in here. But we will see.
As for lineup, I felt the June lineups were overall the best I have seen this year. So the lineup degradation you are talking about is beyond me. Ok Artemis lineup was better in the past (I didn't go there in June) 2-3 years ago easily. And some girls at some clubs haven't taken care of their bodies well enough, or has gone with wacho wrong hairstyles. But that is beside the point. Lineups as a whole in Germany since my first trips are pretty consistent. The center of gravity however moves around a bit between the clubs. Average age goes up slightly, but it is not too bad, and some clubs are better than others of renewing their lineups.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2052089]What I found was that 2 girls I talked to are leaving due to the registration. [/QUOTE]I wish the clubs were educating the girls that the law contains strict privacy protections for their sensitive personal information and that the law restricts sharing of sensitive personal information. By failing to educate the girls, the clubs risk losing some of their girls due to misconceptions about the law.
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Some haven't heard about the rule change and say they don't care or that nobody will ever check for it. So nothing changes. I believe this might be overhyped in here.
[/QUOTE]The requirement for registrations are delayed until Dec. 2017. It is expected that the police will be checking for registrations in 2018.
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Average age goes up slightly[/QUOTE]No like.
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2052091]I wish the clubs were educating the girls that the law contains strict privacy protections for their sensitive personal information and that the law restricts sharing of sensitive personal information. By failing to educate the girls, the clubs risk losing some of their girls due to misconceptions about the law.
The requirement for registrations are delayed until Dec. 2017. It is expected that the police will be checking for registrations in 2018.
No like.[/QUOTE]In the recent weeks, several girls (I know well) told me that they will leave the P6 scene, just because they don't want to register (protect their family) and for them it is the opportunity to change their life.
Anyone know about the girl "Paloma"?
I was in FKK sharks recently, she was my favorite girl but she seemed uninterested to meet me when I came in another day, I'm not sure why, maybe because I took a lot of others girls and she saw. It was really quite frustrating because she was my favorite girl there. She is the skinny blond with smaller breasts and a marijuana shaped scar on her chest. Anyone know about her or have any insight on her? I'm wondering what your guys' experience is with her, or if she's been discussed here before.
Cheers!