Phnom Penh

[quote=wendella]just in case i gave the wrong impression, i wasn't doubting his accuracy or sincerity on it, just wondering where he'd heard or read it. i would be interested to read up on it myself, so if you or anyone can point me toward which ngo's, sex-worker union reports or newspaper stories, i'd go check those out. i'm not one to try to turn a blind eye to how things really do play out. have seen some particularly nasty things in cambodia at different times, mainly years ago. it can be quite ugly, i know.[/quote]

not at all, just trying to be helpful. you can get most of it by googling (there's online newspapers in english and many groups have their own webpages). i travel alone and spoke to and got to know as many people as i could in cambodia in various walks of life. some patterns emerge and the same stuff comes up repeatedly. there's also ngos that know what they're doing and those that don't have a clue. i've also consumed about half a dozen books on cambodia - the ones by respected journalists are especially helpful. and i found absorbing the complicated history very enlightening - otherwise it was hard to make sense of khmers' allegiances and their often seemingly incongruous smiles. one of the reasons i stay in ratholes like walkabout i think is that less is covered up and i find what's really going on more interesting than the sanitised versions on sisowath or the 'nicer' parts of towns. but it's not for everyone. i don't blame anyone that just wants to pop in to a nice hotel and get some pussy served daily without too many questions! i find digging deeper more satisfying in the long run, but not everyone has the time for this.

there are horror stories that don't bear thinking about. "what's that building?" i ask my english-speaking ex-army moto driver in the countryside on the way back to battambang. "it's for children who have been raped," he says quietly.

Hello All,

I've been searching old threads and can't seem to find any info on this. Interested in finding a massage parlor/fishbowl in Phnom Penh. I heard of some hotels that used to have them, but i dont have any solid information.

Ideally a parlor that service BBBJ and FS.

I'm heading out there in several days.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Super Sun7979]Hello All,

I've been searching old threads and can't seem to find any info on this. Interested in finding a massage parlor/fishbowl in Phnom Penh. I heard of some hotels that used to have them, but i dont have any solid information.

Ideally a parlor that service BBBJ and FS.

I'm heading out there in several days.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure there must be some but a lot will have closed down or become more surreptitious with the new law. I don't mind keeping massage and happy endings separate unless they're spontaneous, but if I wanted the two together I'd go for the area down from Cyrcee, and southwest towards the strip. Most are cheap n a bit nasty, or temporary garage+cubicle affairs, but a couple on the cross streets offer 'massage' with an obvious eye on something more, as do girls near the Heart of Darkness part of the strip and elsewhere. But I think the traditional upmarket (Thai-style) fishbowls will be shrinking. Somewhere like Candy Bar is currently straightforward - look for one you like, get a smile, then find the mamasan or someone who speaks English. It was only carry-out a few weeks ago but I reckon short time onsite should be available as it is in Cyrcee if you are trusted. But maybe someone has seen a proper fishbowl in PP recently?

[QUOTE=Super Sun7979]
I've been searching old threads and can't seem to find any info on this. Interested in finding a massage parlor/fishbowl in Phnom Penh. I heard of some hotels that used to have them, but i dont have any solid information.
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Hi SS,
the most easily accessible fish bowl is in Chip Lay Hotel that is within spitting distance of Walkabout. As you leave Walkabout go around corner to your right. Ask at reception for massage and they will point you to the lift/stairs. I have never tried it and the attitude of the girls has been reported as being not so good (but this, as always, will depend on the girl).

Good luck

Hawk

There used to be a big fishbowl massage upstairs in a hotel that I think was called New Paris Hotel... this a ways out westward... does anyone know which hotel I'm talking about? Or the street name? It's a major street that I think is used to head to the airport. I went upstairs and did see a fishbowl there one time, a few years ago. Still there? Dunno. It wasn't anything amazing, I passed on it. Catered to Asian customers.

Are you talking abut the Paris Hotle located on Kampuchea Krom? If you are, the bowl is on the third floor. It is $5 for a massage and extras will cost you more.

The scooter guys who park outside the hotel can hook you with some factory workers. I aint shitting you. One scooter guy took me to a factory girl who was getting off of work. The girl was hot as hell.

Therses heaps but not for Barang. One street back from Sihanouk there are two, one is the Sakura and the other just west of st 63 has a Khmer name. There are seperate Khmer, Viet and Russian sections.

Down in Daun Penh there is the Heaven Hotel on the corner of, I can't remember but its near Norodom, one block back.

Theres the new york of course.

All the big asian hotels have them, shitloads of them but you would have to be asian to go I think.

Across at Chroy Changva there is the Washington Hotel, sounds great but I don't think that we can go.

I know of one place has a whole floor of young girls, but of course we can't go, luckily.

I'm in PP for 2 days.

Can you tell me where are Le Cyrcée, Golden Vine and Tahiti Eden?

Thanks+++

Tried to post this once already.

LCC between st 136 and st 130 one block west of norodom.

Tahiti st 118 near river.

Golden vine st 108 near cnr st 51

[QUOTE=Senso08]I'm in PP for 2 days.

Can you tell me where are Le Cyrcée, Golden Vine and Tahiti Eden?

Thanks+++[/QUOTE]LCC bewteen 136 and 130 one block west of Norodom.

GV on 108 near cnr st 51.

Tahiti st 118 near river.

[quote=nanahawk]hi c,

i may be getting confused but i'd never really thought about going inside independence monument nor have i seen throngs of upmarket khmers around the monument. especially after sunset when things have always seemed dark enough to allow anything to be going on. good to hear that they are pretty and so may go have a look-see soon.

hawk[/quote]orange girls are from the past, like teukalok girls. maybe again in the countryside but not anymore in phnom penh. this article was write by ngo cwcc. so for those who are adventurous it s a good plave to be catch in picture and registred. i wonder also why they don t talked about teukalok girls. who are also very numerous in hun sen park and all around phnom penh just 4 years ago. i just came back from phnom penh 2 days ago and didn t see any sign of orange girl. all my friends living here from more than 15 years and was regular of orange girls called it #the good old times#

personaly phnom penh is just a rip off place, and not a good place for mongering in peace. in walkabout, sharky some girls are clearly ****. , if you like matured girls in their 30s i recommended you the pretty and sweet viet called sunny, she has small piercing noze in the left face, always elegant, good english, god conversation full of humour, she is everynight in walkabout. i m sure soon somebody will married her, go faster.

tuol kok has no more than 8 brothels in action, most of them hidded as coffee shop, and girls are ugly. also many african go to mongering in this place, public park like hun sen park are almost desert, the other one in front of the train station behind the new skyline building guest almost 50 girls each nights, from all the age. not for beginer at all, not all, street is totally dark, and pimps stay in the obscurity be extremely carefully. expected 5 dollars like tuol kok. hard to bargain now.

the best choice is sisovath quay near the japanese friendship bridge 4 khmer brothels but one get some cute girls in their 20 asking 5 dollars for a lousy service. pity it s better to use you hand. on the same street many viet working under cover of 6000 riels massage. but they will hardly show you signs of interest, you have to deal with them directly. expect 5 dollars too, some will offred you to do it with their friend.

bars in phnom penh are not good value, some girls tend to thinked they are irresistible and asked you 15 or 20 dollars for st. less pretty will go for 10 dollars. finaly like last year the best place for mongering is poipet, cute girls, no more than 200 baths for st or 500 all night. possible to get for less. poipet is a no man land, so ngo have no power here.

all and all cambodia is not a mongering country anymore. too expensive for food, transportation, bad service from girls. thailand is better value now.

cheers

I read many comment about the closure of sophies bar, but something puzzled me. I read the bayon pearnik and find no big ads about sophies bar, but if you look in the bar list of phnom penh in the same magazine you will see the adverstisment of Sophies bar located #9 street 118, following by attentive hostesses. So I m wondering if this place is close, why we can see again advertisment in bayon pearnik magazine.

More info about it?

Just spent a couple of nights in P.P.

Tried to find the infamous "Orange Girls.)

Walked all around the Monument area and nothing to be seen. Also talked to several Tuk Tuk and Moto drivers. Most had never heard of the Orange sellers but one told me that "he thought that some years ago they were there but not now!!"

Not sure if he knew what he was talking about or just doing the Asian thing of telling me what he thought I wanted to hear rather than saying he don't know!

If any one else has any info I would be greatfull as I am back in PP shortly and would like to try (it sounded like a bit of fun!)

Hotman.

I'm interested in any comments on whether PP is still a good mongering spot.

I'm planning to visit Cambodia next year.

I've always thought of PP is a good mongering destination and I've read a lot of old reports on this board for "research".

But now there are recent reports on this board of a "crackdown" and closures of many "popular places".

So, is PP still a good mongering place? Or, should I look elsewhere? Thailand? Other?

By the way, is Sophies in PP now closed? It's one of the places I'd go to in PP but some reports on this board suggest it's closed (but I'm not sure about that).

All suggestions / advice much appreciated!

Irving

[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Therses heaps but not for Barang. [/QUOTE]

Hey Phil, I PM'd you about this, not sure if that made it thru to you.

Cheers