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[QUOTE=CaptMunch;1579972]Hmmmm. . . . I am sure that you were sitting at Kokomos. But I do sit there regularly also and I would say that 15 ladyboys harrassing passerbys is somewhat a low probability at Kokomos. I can't recall a similar situation nowadays, but then I am NOT there very late at night and can NOT speak about what happens after approx. 11 PM Back a number of years ago, there were 3 or 4 ladyboys that didn't seem to have anything better to do than to stare down the customers at Kokomos, I know I found it very uncomfortable, maybe that was their intent.

On the other hand, the nightly gathering on the corner of Phillies seems to have grown quite a bit and quite often they like to try to engage a conversation as you are leaving Walking Street. They are NOT overly aggressive and simply ignoring them seems to work...[/QUOTE]Hi there Capt, I might have stretched the number by a couple but there were a lot compared to none the year before. They were not all being asses but some do like to get in your face, block your way, talk loud, be aggressive and rude. This is one of the few things I don't want to watch while chowing down on a KOKOMO burger, a bunch of LB's, being obnoxious. The next night at Ks was much better BTW.

And yes they were getting some attention from mongers who enjoy that sort of action.

No one knows where AC will be in a year, 5 years, etc I hope it stabilizes or improves. I'll be back in April to check on things.

[QUOTE=Psychman;1579924]A must read for those who think money is all you need to consistently get great service-this has always been the case, EVERYWHERE. Be a BFE to get the best GFE...[/QUOTE]Absolutely spot on.

AV.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1579898]This is a much more complex issue than simply being the opinion of "over-bearing prudes". I am not carrying a flag for these over-zealous anti-prostitution groups but the situation is not as glib as this.

I doubt very much that ANY woman becomes a sex worker by choice. No amount of rationalization can make me believe that any woman would willingly and regularly want to get into the sex business. I am sure that even the most horny nymphomaniac would still rather be earning money in a different manner than having different unknown guys grunting away on top, sideways or underneath her.

It is all a question of need, and until governments can provide an environment where every resident can gain a worthwhile income then prostitution will remain.

The feminist lobby will keep on pushing and they will have some levels of success but at the end of the day there is a reason why prostitution is known as "the world's oldest profession".[/QUOTE]Not forgetting that prostitution as an occupation is stratified. Not all are single mothers struggling to educate their kids. The top end girls get into it purely for the money & find that they develop a taste for the money and *shock horror* the sex. These girls make a fortune & move in & out of the biz at will.

AV.

In today's world P4 P is very lucrative for the providers. In the old days escorts had to work very hard in order to get customers, they needed to put a lot of effort into advertising for the clients to know that they're out there. In today's world with social media and the internet all they need to do is sit and wait, be inundated and the good looking girls can beat off the unwanted with a stick. It's a matter of supply and demand. Today, demand outstrips supply and girls can reject whom they want to. I think the strategy should be to find new locales for P $P that are not frequented by foreign punters. They do exist, the trick is to find them. I certainly am looking.

Absolutely agree with AV on this one.

My first observation is that prostitution os one of the very few well paying occupations in which a woman needs no qualifications.

In my local (OZ) tittie bar, the girls regularly make $2,000 per day. And on a real good day, they can make up to $5,000.

But back to topic. Some time ago, I was in Pattaya, and I needed to engage an interpreter for a day. I had no idea as to how to do this, so I put a post on the Pattaya thread. One punter came back with names and numbers for two women who he knew. So I called them both to meet at my hotel. Foiirst one was a regular run of the mill SW, who was not interested.

The second one was amazing. This stunningly attractive woman approached me, and established that she was the second one. We sat and had a coffee and a chat. I explained what I wanted, and she declined, because the money was not enough. Now she wore a dress, very well tailored, high heels, perfect hair style, perfect cosmetics, very good English.

The guy who gave me her number told me that she was the best root that he had ever had, and I could believe him.

So I asked her what she was doing. She told me that her family had got into debt, 3 million THB, and that she had set out to make the money on her back. She did not take overnighters, because her mother and son were staying with her. She took only ST, charged 3,000 THB a time. Ran a diary, usually three johns per day, sometimes 4. Her aim was to make the 3 million in 2 years, and I am sure that she would achieve her objective.

I spoke to her about really high end, 50,000 per night, but she was not interested. Day time only. Now that is my idea of the smart hooker making the best use of her assets.

G

[QUOTE=Amavida;1580088]Not forgetting that prostitution as an occupation is stratified. Not all are single mothers struggling to educate their kids. The top end girls get into it purely for the money & find that they develop a taste for the money and *shock horror* the sex. These girls make a fortune & move in & out of the biz at will.

AV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;1580112]It's a matter of supply and demand. Today, demand outstrips supply and girls can reject whom they want to. I think the strategy should be to find new locales for P $P that are not frequented by foreign punters. They do exist, the trick is to find them. I certainly am looking.[/QUOTE]I disagree with you about supply and demand. In the PI, Thailand, and Indonesia supply exceeds demand by a wide margin. There are so many women in the P4 P market that most can't lasso a customer every night. Now really good looking girls are always in demand. That is another story, but the average bar girl in AC or Subic is lucky to get 3 customers a week. And then there is low season when times are lean and an average girl is lucky to land one customer a week. Have you seen the dormitories these girls live in? They don't live this way because they want to and are frugal. They have no other economic choice than to live the way they do because of the over supply of available working girls results in their low income. The over supply is why prices are still relatively low.

As to AC girls with attitudes: this has never been a problem for me. I think it depends on the bar, the bar culture, and the individual punter's vibe. I am always friendly and generous, but in some bars the girls seem distant. I just walk out and don't waste my time or money there. In other bars, the girls are all over me. I stay and try to find a girl I like. The bottom line is if you treat the girls nice you will receive a ten fold return on your investment behavior. One thing I noticed, however, on my last trip; once I began buying drinks for a girl I suddenly became popular and all the girls became friendly towards me. I was in Golden Nile or whatever the new name is one night and I started getting friendly with a waitress. All of a sudden the Daddy's Girls started taking an interest in me. I eventually switched horses and barfined one of the dancers. I left a generous tip for the friendly, but left behind waitress. So my 2nd piece of advice is don't be stingy. In addition to treating the girls nice, if you go to the bars to have a good time and are readily willing to offer lady drinks for your new friends, the by product will be a GFE. Filipinas are still the friendliest girls in the world.

One last comment: On my latest visit in April, I found Burgos Bar girls far more friendly and wanton in the bar than their sisters in AC or even Subic. Burgos girls were taking off their tops so I could kiss their nipples, giving hand jobs, and letting me massage their pussy's in the bar. As a result, I plan to spend a lot more time in Makati on my next trip. Maybe the raids are having an effect on AC bar room behavior.

I've run across a few of these and they are often interesting people, sometimes with real jobs. They can be really good at GFE as well. I had one who was so sweet, so loving, that I wasn't sure how or if I had to pay her. I ended up giving here 1 k for taxi. LOL. The next date she said she wanted to go to a restaurant at the mall and after eating she took my wallet shopping. Now I know how much her fee is! She is classy, I have to give her credit for that. Unfortunately, she seems to spend a lot of time in Palawan with her "friend" these days. Lucky bastard. X.

[QUOTE=Amavida;1580088]Not forgetting that prostitution as an occupation is stratified. Not all are single mothers struggling to educate their kids. The top end girls get into it purely for the money & find that they develop a taste for the money and *shock horror* the sex. These girls make a fortune & move in & out of the biz at will.

AV.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1580142]I disagree with you about supply and demand. In the PI, Thailand, and Indonesia supply exceeds demand by a wide margin. There are so many women in the P4 P market that most can't lasso a customer every night. Now really good looking girls are always in demand. That is another story, but the average bar girl in AC or Subic is lucky to get 3 customers a week. And then there is low season when times are lean and an average girl is lucky to land one customer a week. Have you seen the dormitories these girls live in? They don't live this way because they want to and are frugal. They have no other economic choice than to live the way they do because of the over supply of available working girls results in their low income [/QUOTE]I concur with the other punters on more demand and agree with you on the living condition. There are ladies who hook up with anyone, what I have seen is these pro hookers (doable) are less compared with the punters in scene. The price increases according to the foreign punter demand. In Asia, most of the places, one rate for locals and a higher rate for foreigners. Local rate doesn't. Change much faster but foreigner rate can be increased pretty fast. I went to one of my bg friend' place. A single room and 2 girls were staying there.

They use a kerosene stove to cook their food within that room. Only one low quality mattress on the floor. Even if that is the case, she was so polite and know how to treat guest in their place. There are another type of girls, who are curious about sex and has no money either for their study or support their family. These kind of girls has big availability in internet. I guess not many punters has enough time for the follow up (I know some of our fellow mongers are very successful on that) Even if you are like Tom Cruise, bringing the dating site girl to bed need ability, time and money. It is like getting job for a university fresh pass out. And once you get one, it is like nuclear fusion. You will suffer with the overwhelming response lolz. When I was in AC, I stayed in kokomos, and most girls know me well. I also bought them LDs.

Most girls are polite and ordered the cheapest drink on my last day and they scold a girl for ordering an expensive drink.

Even I had free drinks from Mama. So it also depends on how you behave to them. Filipinos are fantastic.

So everything is depends on too many factors. Looks, Smile, Time, Money. As AV said, find the places where not many foreign punters are in charge. Also spend some time in bringing the first dating girl to bed. Also don't run behind the stunners with a sack of money lolz.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1580142]
As to AC girls with attitudes: this has never been a problem for me. I think it depends on the bar, the bar culture, and the individual punter's vibe. I am always friendly and generous, but in some bars the girls seem distant. I just walk out and don't waste my time or money there. In other bars, the girls are all over me. I stay and try to find a girl I like. The bottom line is if you treat the girls nice you will receive a ten fold return on your investment behavior.

[/QUOTE]Hi Bro, I think we have similar MOs and when I walk into a bar I garner interest from the dancers. I am older but in very good condition, dress well, smell great, tanned, and well mannered. I smile and enjoy the atmosphere if there is any.

In AC, some of the very few top lookers were difficult to get their attention. BF them? Forget it. If I did get their attention it was easy to buy them drinks and impossible to walk them out. I only had this issue w / what I considered the top lookers. Bottom line to me is, it's hard as hell to find DDG BGs, let alone take out the best AC has to offer.

I am in total agreement, the bar culture, management, and freedom of choice are all part of the equation. I am grateful the women can pick and choose but geez, let me have some once in a while.

Like you I had no refusals in Makati but the prices were extremely high in the Burgos bars. Oh, there was one stunner in Bottoms that refused everyone, her name was Rica and she was incredible. She did sit w / me on my last day there and what a delicate treasure she is. She makes it clear that she only wants to giggle around on stage or if your lucky you can buy her a drink. Haha, I was lucky.

Anyway, Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1580142]I disagree with you about supply and demand. In the PI, Thailand, and Indonesia supply exceeds demand by a wide margin. There are so many women in the P4 P market that most can't lasso a customer every night. Now really good looking girls are always in demand. That is another story, but the average bar girl in AC or Subic is lucky to get 3 customers a week. And then there is low season when times are lean and an average girl is lucky to land one customer a week. Have you seen the dormitories these girls live in? They don't live this way because they want to and are frugal. They have no other economic choice than to live the way they do because of the over supply of available working girls results in their low income. The over supply is why prices are still relatively low.

As to AC girls with attitudes: this has never been a problem for me. I think it depends on the bar, the bar culture, and the individual punter's vibe. I am always friendly and generous, but in some bars the girls seem distant. I just walk out and don't waste my time or money there. In other bars, the girls are all over me. I stay and try to find a girl I like. The bottom line is if you treat the girls nice you will receive a ten fold return on your investment behavior. One thing I noticed, however, on my last trip; once I began buying drinks for a girl I suddenly became popular and all the girls became friendly towards me. I was in Golden Nile or whatever the new name is one night and I started getting friendly with a waitress. All of a sudden the Daddy's Girls started taking an interest in me. I eventually switched horses and barfined one of the dancers. I left a generous tip for the friendly, but left behind waitress. So my 2nd piece of advice is don't be stingy. In addition to treating the girls nice, if you go to the bars to have a good time and are readily willing to offer lady drinks for your new friends, the by product will be a GFE. Filipinas are still the friendliest girls in the world.

One last comment: On my latest visit in April, I found Burgos Bar girls far more friendly and wanton in the bar than their sisters in AC or even Subic. Burgos girls were taking off their tops so I could kiss their nipples, giving hand jobs, and letting me massage their pussy's in the bar. As a result, I plan to spend a lot more time in Makati on my next trip. Maybe the raids are having an effect on AC bar room behavior.[/QUOTE]After reading through this and other threads, it sounds like the best punting is to be found in Manila now, albeit at a slightly higher price. Although many guys prefer point and shoot, it sounds like the aggravation factor is slowly rising in AC.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1580301]After reading through this and other threads, it sounds like the best punting is to be found in Manila now, albeit at a slightly higher price. Although many guys prefer point and shoot, it sounds like the aggravation factor is slowly rising in AC.[/QUOTE]I've had my best experiences in Manila and Makati in terms of finding some awesome talent and experiences. That said, I don't think it's easy for most people to maneuver. For the areas that most of us will monger, it's somewhat limited in a lot of ways. It's a little more time consuming and think the costs definitely start going up when you start putting EDSA and Burgos are into the equation with a slightly higher risk that the woman might be a real pro. They may try to change the terms of the arrangement once the deed is over the first time. You'll have to travel around more by taxi although significantly cheaper than those expensive trike rides in AC. Burgos and EDSA to me is very up and down on who shows up for work on a given night, just like LA Cafe or Havana. I've had great finds in casas too, but not sure how comfortable most people here would be for that route.

Angeles is kind of simpler as it's pretty small and you don't have to travel great distances for fun. I think the hotels offer better value overall in Angeles compared to the other areas like Manila, Makati and Subic. It just seems more relaxed there. You just have to balance out how you feel out in the city areas of Manila and Makati. Walking around the area of LA Cafe probably not in most people's interest here, although I do it a lot but I'm not usually impaired in any way by alcohol or other. I'm not saying bad things couldn't happen to me even then, just think it's probably best for a good amount of people here not to do much walking around the streets there.

One of the main things I wanted to point out though is that when I'm in Manila or Makati, I don't feel I can always find someone new every night. I consider it a treasure hunt. The volume is not the same compared to Angeles, so that's why I think one of the main reasons to go to AC is to increase one's chances. If you don't mind not finding someone special in your mind every night, then it's probably fine, I just can do without some of the hassle of some of the professionals at EDSA and Burgos for the most part, such that I do Manila and Makati in short stints. I just don't think keeping Angeles out of the equation for most people traveling once or twice a year is feasible for the most part if you are trying to get the most bang for your money. Plus Angeles has more daytime options. I have not gone the online DIA or other routes so can't comment on those.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1580115]<SNIP> . . .

So I asked her what she was doing. She told me that her family had got into debt, 3 million THB, and that she had set out to make the money on her back. She did not take overnighters, because her mother and son were staying with her. She took only ST, charged 3,000 THB a time. Ran a diary, usually three johns per day, sometimes 4. Her aim was to make the 3 million in 2 years, and I am sure that she would achieve her objective. [/QUOTE]This is another instance where this smart, well-educated yada yada woman was doing it BECAUSE SHE HAD TO DO IT TO ERASE A FAMILY DEBT. I assume that when the debt is paid off she will stop doing it.

Very few women are prostitutes because they like sex. I suppose there must be some of them but they would be a minority.

ANGELES CITY, Philippines Men of the Regional Special Operations Group (RSOG) based at Camp Olivas, the regional police headquarters in Pampanga, are facing extortion charges for allegedly demanding P1 million from the owner of a bar they raided here last week.

Chief Inspector Heryl Bruno, provincial chief of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group, said he also ordered an investigation as the RSOG operatives allegedly identified themselves as CIDG members.

Bruno said the owner of Honey Co's bar on Fields Avenue here has filed extortion charges against the RSOG men before the city prosecutor's office.

The police officers though have yet to be named pending their identification by the complainant and witnesses, although they definitely belong to the RSOG, he added.

"The report is that the erring cops had asked the owner for P1 million so that charges would not be pursued against him," Bruno said.

The RSOG men, allegedly identifying themselves as CIDG ope-ratives, reportedly raided Honey Co's bar on the night of June 5 and rounded up 29 women for still unclear reasons.

Nation (Article MRec), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1.

"If their assignment in the raid was legitimate, why did they have to pretend to be CIDG agents?" Bruno asked.

After the bar owner and the women's relatives went to his office as the police officers said they belong to the CIDG, Bruno said he checked with the RSOG regional office at Camp Olivas in San Fernando and confirmed that the women were there.

An entrapment operation was laid out last Saturday after the owner and the RSOG men supposedly agreed on the time and place for the payoff, but the police officers were apparently alerted and did not show up.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/06/13/1334037/camp-olivas-cops-charged-extort-try[/URL]

[QUOTE=Robbaf;1580434]ANGELES CITY, Philippines Men of the Regional Special Operations Group (RSOG) based at Camp Olivas, the regional police headquarters in Pampanga, are facing extortion charges for allegedly demanding P1 million from the owner of a bar they raided here last week.

Chief Inspector Heryl Bruno, provincial chief of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group, said he also ordered an investigation as the RSOG operatives allegedly identified themselves as CIDG members.

Bruno said the owner of Honey Co's bar on Fields Avenue here has filed extortion charges against the RSOG men before the city prosecutor's office.

The police officers though have yet to be named pending their identification by the complainant and witnesses, although they definitely belong to the RSOG, he added.

"The report is that the erring cops had asked the owner for P1 million so that charges would not be pursued against him," Bruno said.

The RSOG men, allegedly identifying themselves as CIDG ope-ratives, reportedly raided Honey Co's bar on the night of June 5 and rounded up 29 women for still unclear reasons.

Nation (Article MRec), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1.

"If their assignment in the raid was legitimate, why did they have to pretend to be CIDG agents?" Bruno asked.

After the bar owner and the women's relatives went to his office as the police officers said they belong to the CIDG, Bruno said he checked with the RSOG regional office at Camp Olivas in San Fernando and confirmed that the women were there.

An entrapment operation was laid out last Saturday after the owner and the RSOG men supposedly agreed on the time and place for the payoff, but the police officers were apparently alerted and did not show up.

[URL]http://www.philstar.com/nation/2014/06/13/1334037/camp-olivas-cops-charged-extort-try[/URL][/QUOTE]This validates what I have been told by people in the bar industry just last week. Instead of paying 1 mill in bribes they chose to fight back with 1 mill in lawyer fees in the hope they can kill off this cancer. I was howled down about this by others here but this news is in line with what I am hearing.

AV.

Robbaf,

I'm slightly amused to see what you find so good about a foreigner trying to take on the establishment.

The last two times Honey kos was raided the owner paid up big time to get his ass out of jail.

This time hes to skint to pay so took the only other road open, to try and take on the establishment.

Now Lets see, people get killed for 10,000 p or less here in many cases. You take a man to court, make him lose face in the papers and threaten to take away his career and threaten to stop the gravy train for everyone one?

What do you think will be the next move?

Do not ever think that foreigners have rights in the PI, especially against pinoys in high places who have guns.