Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1975504]I would imagine that ...[/QUOTE]Actually I agree on nearly everything you posted. It seems we have similar preferences as well as a similar mindset ;)

Yes, the P4 P scene has changed within the last years. Quality in both performance and looks are on the way down, prices are on the way up. In the past everything was simply better ;)

Still there's no use complaining about that. It is what it is, and obviously we can't change the P4 P scene, the girls or the shop policies. We can only change ourselves, which means avoid shops and / or girls, find out new sources of "talent" or even just accept the fact that you either can get a young and sexy starfish or an more mature pornstar. Or maybe for you even don't come back to Thailand for mongering. Still plenty of good girls available, but it just takes much more efforts (based of time and money) to find and get them. The times of P4 P gold digging in Thailand are - unfortunately - over.

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Still there's no use complaining about that. It is what it is, and obviously we can't change the P4 P scene, the girls or the shop policies. We can only change ourselves, which means avoid shops and / or girls, find out new sources of "talent" or even just accept the fact that you either can get a young and sexy starfish or an more mature pornstar. Or maybe for you even don't come back to Thailand for mongering. Still plenty of good girls available, but it just takes much more efforts (based of time and money) to find and get them. The times of P4 P gold digging in Thailand are - unfortunately - over.[/QUOTE]Partly true. Partly over generalised.

Some of my favorite girls are in age range 27 to 33 as they are superior fucks, even if they have a baby already or a grown child.

However young and pretty certainly does not imply a starfish by any means. Some of these girls started fucking at 15 and by 21 are really very experienced. In general Thai hookers are far more horny and passionate than hookers from my home country.

Certainly inexperienced girls have less skills or just less service orientation and may need training up but some of them learn fast. I had a supposedly inexperienced 18 YO cutie. By end of rhe first lesson, her BBBJ had already been very well adapted to how I like it. Yet other girls seem unable to change anything. Maybe too long been doing the BBBJ totally wrong for me. Puzzles me. Ball licking and ass licking don't exactly require massive skills, only a willingness and can be good very quickly. Maybe DT requires practice so few newbie girls have that ability.

Starfish is just a disinterested attitude. Does not come automatically with extra young girls however very few older girls go in the starfish category. Extra young girls may not be ready or motivated for extra old men, or just have not yet learned how to enjoy sex. Maybe older girls will not be hookers if they really hate sex so much. I just guess since I can't say I fully understand.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1975653]Still there's no use complaining about that. It is what it is, and obviously we can't change the P4 P scene, the girls or the shop policies. We can only change ourselves, which means avoid shops and / or girls, find out new sources of "talent" or even just accept the fact that you either can get a young and sexy starfish or an more mature pornstar. Or maybe for you even don't come back to Thailand for mongering. Still plenty of good girls available, but it just takes much more efforts (based of time and money) to find and get them. The times of P4 P gold digging in Thailand are - unfortunately - over.[/QUOTE]Why should we accept it? Neither choice is acceptable. Actually are things we can do about it. Complaining to the mamasans, not accepting poor service, sending gals back downstairs if their bodies are too torn up. Make it known this is not ok. Sadly most farang dudes are way to shy to complain. The shops and gals know this and take advantage of it. I have called off sessions at oilies, with FLs, with GoGo gals. If I am not getting good service the session ends and the gals gets taxi money of 100-200 Baht.

If enough guys complain and biz drops off, policies will change. We need to take our cues from the locals, who really won't accept bad attitudes, poor looks, or completely lackluster service. One reason many of these places don't serve the locals Thai males is they know the gals are not good enough and the Thai guys will complain. They know that most of us won't.

And I would not choose Thailand for a mongering destination at present. I live here and have for almost 2 decades. It is a shame to see the scene decline and I would say a the majority of the blame rests squarely with the punters. Farang guys were far more demanding when I moved here. They certainly had a different attitude from the guys today. We are the customers. We should not expect any less from a P4 P provider than we do any other service we purchase. How about an auto mechanic who only takes care of half the problem and complains the entire time?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1975695]Partly true. Partly over generalised.

Some of my favorite girls are in age range 27 to 33 as they are superior fucks, even if they have a baby already or a grown child.

However young and pretty certainly does not imply a starfish by any means. Some of these girls started fucking at 15 and by 21 are really very experienced. In general Thai hookers are far more horny and passionate than hookers from my home country.

Certainly inexperienced girls have less skills or just less service orientation and may need training up but some of them learn fast. I had a supposedly inexperienced 18 YO cutie. By end of rhe first lesson, her BBBJ had already been very well adapted to how I like it. Yet other girls seem unable to change anything. Maybe too long been doing the BBBJ totally wrong for me. Puzzles me. Ball licking and ass licking don't exactly require massive skills, only a willingness and can be good very quickly. Maybe DT requires practice so few newbie girls have that ability.

Starfish is just a disinterested attitude. Does not come automatically with extra young girls however very few older girls go in the starfish category. Extra young girls may not be ready or motivated for extra old men, or just have not yet learned how to enjoy sex. Maybe older girls will not be hookers if they really hate sex so much. I just guess since I can't say I fully understand.[/QUOTE]The mamasans at the GoGos, oilies, and soapies should ensure that the gals are properly trained. I would say rimming and oral stimulation of the testicles does require skills. Actually I have been with gals in their late 20's who have been on the game for awhile and are still lousy lays. Also the skill set should be constantly improving. When you visit a gal often she should have new tricks to get you going. The best oily gals always had something new up their sleeves. Whatever job you choose to do, you need to be committed to it and work to do it well. And that includes the job of working girl.

I had a pretty bad experience at Addict today so just thought would check with you guys whether some of it was expected?

I am currently in BKK for a 4 day mixed work / leisure trip. In my previous trips. I have had good experiences in PSE places like Mango, Snow White, Bamboo etc. This time basis the reviews here. I thought I would try out Addict.

I headed there last evening. And chose Maple given the good reviews below. She has a slim body with A cup boobs. So. We started out with a pretty much regular bath in the tub. With she scrubbing me down methodically. When we moved to the bed. She refused DFK saying she had a cold. Fair enough. When I asked for 2 shots (in all other places 2 hours means 2 shots) - she says 2 shots only for HJ. But only 1 shot if I wanted to have sex. If I wanted to have sex 2 times. She asked 1 k extra as tip. My bad I didn't walk out immediately as probably the junior took over the thinking. Anyways. I paid up the extra 1 k. But even then she was pretty much a starfish with no enthusiasm. All in all. A disaster. I am sure I was a fool paying 1 k extra for the second shot. Anyone else had similiar experience?

[QUOTE=EthanHunt123;1975838]I had a pretty bad experience at Addict today so just thought would check with you guys whether some of it was expected?

I am currently in BKK for a 4 day mixed work / leisure trip. In my previous trips. I have had good experiences in PSE places like Mango, Snow White, Bamboo etc. This time basis the reviews here. I thought I would try out Addict.

I headed there last evening. And chose Maple given the good reviews below. She has a slim body with A cup boobs. So. We started out with a pretty much regular bath in the tub. With she scrubbing me down methodically. When we moved to the bed. She refused DFK saying she had a cold. Fair enough. When I asked for 2 shots (in all other places 2 hours means 2 shots) - she says 2 shots only for HJ. But only 1 shot if I wanted to have sex. If I wanted to have sex 2 times. She asked 1 k extra as tip. My bad I didn't walk out immediately as probably the junior took over the thinking. Anyways. I paid up the extra 1 k. But even then she was pretty much a starfish with no enthusiasm. All in all. A disaster. I am sure I was a fool paying 1 k extra for the second shot. Anyone else had similiar experience?[/QUOTE]Addict just sucks. Everything about all the girls there suck (except Sandy). People not to stop talking about it because even the bad press is good press and is giving them business. I walked passed the place yesterday and it was all ambiguously ugly women (hard to tell what they look like with the way they dress over most of their bodies and the amount of make up they apply). Anyway, I walked past Addict, ignoring their "more girls inside" sales pitch and headed over to Orient. Where I saw a really hot girl (and pretty good / great service, not PSE) named Pope (she pronounces it Bo-Pei). Pope is like a hot (Thai) girl next door type of look. Down to earth but hot body, attractive / hot face. The pictures on their website don't do her much justice. Also, her tits are all natural and really well sized for a Thai girl. Also FYI, other girls there worth checking out: Donuts and Tan. Tan is quite good service-wise, and Donut is a nice girl, not all bitter like that one you saw at Addict.

In over a decade of mongering in Thailand I have never met a girl with an attitude as bad as Cartoon at Asok Massage. I'm shocked that AsianRain and EricSwiss both gave her good reviews. Were you so spellbound by her looks that you allowed her to act like a little b1tch? Or were your experiences completely different to mine?

So I arrive at about 11 in the morning and the mamasan calls up to her but she's not ready (seems to live up there) and advises me to come back in an hour. I come back and have to wait another 10 minutes or so. When she walks in my immediate impression was that her face is quite nice but nothing special. She's definitely above average for an oily girl but in a Huay Kwang soapy she would be considered average at best. Her skin is not fair enough to appeal to most soapy customers. I didn't really think much of it at the time but even at first glance she had this hostile look on her face. Anyway she looked nice enough so I paid for a 2300 baht session in the shower room. Cartoon then drops a pair of slippers in front of me. In Orient Massage they sit you down, take your shoes off for you and help you on with the slippers but not Cartoon. I'm wearing lace-up shoes so have to take a seat. She does nothing to help. No big deal, I thought and follow her to the room. In most oilies the girl will give you a little hug or something and ask if you want something to drink. Not Cartoon. She just says 'shower' and walks off. When she returns I ask her 'Sabai dee, mai?' (How are you?) The normal response is 'Saibai dee, ka' but not Cartoon. Her response is 'Roojak' (know). I've never heard that response before so I say 'arai na?' She repeats it in a really bitchy way, as if to say 'Are you some kind of fucking retard?' She then says 'Aap naam' which I know means 'take a shower' but I'm just thinking, what the fuck is this attitude? She then shouts it out again as if she's giving orders to a naughty kid. The look on her face was one of hostility and contempt. At that I just called the session off. She scowled and made no attempt to change my mind, just shouted something down to the mamasan as if this is the kind of thing that happens to her all the time. I got my money back and will obviously never go back to this place.

I strongly advise you to stay away from this place. The room is small and crappy with a hard bed and no mirrors or anything. At Huay Kwang soapies the rooms are far better and there are plenty of girls better looking than Cartoon who are at least polite and do their job properly. The price is about the same too. Or if you prefer the oily set-up I saw Bonus in Snow White recently and she's just as attractive and doesn't have the pathetic attitude.

I went to see Sandy today. She was busy but the mamasan confirmed she is A+. I asked if there are other A+ girls in the shop and was told that Sandy is the only one. So I came back for her but when I saw her her face was not acceptable to me. Prae from Mango is younger looking and more attractive. Emmy from Snow White is younger looking and more attractive than either. So that's the last time I go to Addict. I can easily think of half a dozen baby-free girls in the PSE shops who are A+, younger and more attractive than Sandy.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975886]In over a decade of mongering in Thailand I have never met a girl with an attitude as bad as Cartoon at Asok Massage. I'm shocked that AsianRain and EricSwiss both gave her good reviews. Were you so spellbound by her looks that you allowed her to act like a little b1tch? Or were your experiences completely different to mine?

So I arrive at about 11 in the morning and the mamasan calls up to her but she's not ready (seems to live up there) and advises me to come back in an hour. I come back and have to wait another 10 minutes or so. When she walks in my immediate impression was that her face is quite nice but nothing special. She's definitely above average for an oily girl but in a Huay Kwang soapy she would be considered average at best. Her skin is not fair enough to appeal to most soapy customers. I didn't really think much of it at the time but even at first glance she had this hostile look on her face. Anyway she looked nice enough so I paid for a 2300 baht session in the shower room. Cartoon then drops a pair of slippers in front of me. In Orient Massage they sit you down, take your shoes off for you and help you on with the slippers but not Cartoon. I'm wearing lace-up shoes so have to take a seat. She does nothing to help. No big deal, I thought and follow her to the room. In most oilies the girl will give you a little hug or something and ask if you want something to drink. Not Cartoon. She just says 'shower' and walks off. When she returns I ask her 'Sabai dee, mai?' (How are you?) The normal response is 'Saibai dee, ka' but not Cartoon. Her response is 'Roojak' (know). I've never heard that response before so I say 'arai na?' She repeats it in a really bitchy way, as if to say 'Are you some kind of fucking retard?' She then says 'Aap naam' which I know means 'take a shower' but I'm just thinking, what the fuck is this attitude? She then shouts it out again as if she's giving orders to a naughty kid. The look on her face was one of hostility and contempt. At that I just called the session off. She scowled and made no attempt to change my mind, just shouted something down to the mamasan as if this is the kind of thing that happens to her all the time. I got my money back and will obviously never go back to this place.

I strongly advise you to stay away from this place. The room is small and crappy with a hard bed and no mirrors or anything. At Huay Kwang soapies the rooms are far better and there are plenty of girls better looking than Cartoon who are at least polite and do their job properly. The price is about the same too.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it was your knowledge of Thai language that led to your bad experience. Because I've been with a Thai lady who once told me she didn't like farangs who spoke Thai language and who knew "everything" in Thailand. Fortunately, I couldn't speak Thai, and I didn't know much about Thailand. Which meant that her dislike didn't apply to me.

I think your inability to speak Thai language and your unfamiliarity with their culture makes the lady feel safe in terms of her reputation in her community. Because this means that you don't know anybody she might know. And you are unable to blab about her to other people, who know her, even if you want to.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1975892]Perhaps it was your knowledge of Thai language that led to your bad experience. Because I've been with a Thai lady who once told me she didn't like farangs who spoke Thai language and who knew "everything" in Thailand. Fortunately, I couldn't speak Thai, and I didn't know much about Thailand. Which meant that her dislike didn't apply to me.

I think your inability to speak Thai language and your unfamiliarity with their culture makes the lady feel safe in terms of her reputation in her community. Because this means that you don't know anybody she might know. And you are unable to blab about her to other people, who know her, even if you want to.[/QUOTE]Nice theory but I always speak Thai with the girls and have never had anything other than a positive reaction. Also the poor attitude started before she even knew I spoke Thai, with the contemptuous look and deliberately dropping the slippers on the floor. And she wouldn't know I spoke Thai just because I said sabai dee mai. Half the tourists and all the expats know that expression. Also Thai WGs are happy to give out their social media details even though it reveals information about themselves and their friends so I don't think there's any validity at all in what you say.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1975865]Addict just sucks. Everything about all the girls there suck (except Sandy). People not to stop talking about it because even the bad press is good press and is giving them business. I walked passed the place yesterday and it was all ambigously ugly women (hard to tell what they look like with the way they dress over most of their bodies and the amount of make up they apply). Anyway, I walked past Addict, ignoring their "more girls inside" sales pitch and headed over to Orient. Where I saw a really hot girl (and pretty good / great service, not PSE) named Pope (she pronounces it Bo-Pei). Pope is like a hot (thai) girl next door type of look. Down to earth but hot body, attractive / hot face. The pictures on their website don't do her much justice. Also, her tits are all natural and really well sized for a Thai girl. Also FYI, other girls there worth checking out: Donut and Tan. Tan is quite good service-wise, and Donut is a nice girl, not all bitter like that one you saw at Addict.[/QUOTE]I agree that Orient is a lot better than Addict in every respect except the number of girls. Addict really does suck.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975926]I agree that Orient is a lot better than Addict in every respect except the number of girls. Addict really does suck.[/QUOTE]I have seen a looker sitting at Orient when coming out of a Mango session, but you have to be lucky with timing. When I went specifically there to try to find her again, no pretties were available, in fact line up can be a lot more ordinary than Addict line up, for looks at least, at times. No clue for service as did not find a doable girl yet at the right time. Really most shops are like this with one or two lookers if you get lucky to be there at the right time, when hot girl is not busy. Maybe my spec is strange. LOL I don't think Pope or Donut can be to my spec (who nose the reasons?), Tan a maybe. O.K. Service can be expected to be better is good news at least.

At Addict I would guess they have very limited good girls, but plenty of average girls (not exactly horrible and not memorable). The good one I had, J J, is not there any more. I will still try if I can find a stunner, just in case she can be good. I can't assume the shop can cause every girl to be bad. We already know there can be odd girls well above average, just maybe not many. I agree with Parkville that uniforms make it tough, however I would go for the skinniest possible girls for that reason.

[QUOTE=*****man;1975886]In over a decade of mongering in Thailand I have never met a girl with an attitude as bad as Cartoon at Asok Massage. I'm shocked that AsianRain and EricSwiss both gave her good reviews. Were you so spellbound by her looks that you allowed her to act like a little b1tch? Or were your experiences completely different to mine?[/QUOTE]Read my original report again (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1941909&viewfull=1#post1941909). I was QUITE CLEAR that I was UNHAPPY about her service (the demand for CBJ after I gave her DATY where she orgasmed was one of the most off-putting experiences I have had at an oily) and not impressed with the facilities. I only commented that she was cute (which was my subjective view, others opinion may vary) with a totally tight natural body and fantastic tits (which you never got to see as you bailed from the session). YMMV. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1975892]Perhaps it was your knowledge of Thai language that led to your bad experience. Because I've been with a Thai lady who once told me she didn't like farangs who spoke Thai language and who knew "everything" in Thailand. Fortunately, I couldn't speak Thai, and I didn't know much about Thailand. Which meant that her dislike didn't apply to me.

I think your inability to speak Thai language and your unfamiliarity with their culture makes the lady feel safe in terms of her reputation in her community. Because this means that you don't know anybody she might know. And you are unable to blab about her to other people, who know her, even if you want to.[/QUOTE]Can't agree Dan. I speak Thai to all my massage ladies and do not strike the seemingly bitchy attitude. They are mostly grateful I can speak Thai so they don't have to struggle with English. It is more in a group situation where my Thai ability may not be appreciated when girls want to gossip secretly.

Roojak is not a proper response to Sabai Dee Mai ("How are you" It is not clear what is going on here. Roojak means to know someone (rather than know something). Is she implying she knows *****man? Perhaps his ISG post was read and they are expecting him, and it is known he likes A+ and no babies, or other explanations are possible. Not wise to be too sure what is the meaning. He rightly queried the meaning. She seemed to be acting extremely impatiently about him taking the shower. Wasting time is allowed after all.

It's quite puzzling really to understand exactly what is going on. Has she read or miss-read some sort of sign language. Does she think she knows him or visa versa? I suppose someone in a bad mood could wonder why a guy is asking about her good health when he has never met her, but in that case she would have said "roojak mai" to turn it into a question. "Roojak" is purely a statement of knowing someone. So strike that last thought off.

With such simple Thai words, it seems unlikely anyone misheard.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1975392]I was certain it was Mabel, but given that there is no girl with such name on the Addict website, you are right it must be Maple.
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Anyway, I'm not knocking her down, I'd probably pick her up out of a line-up anyway, as I already did twice, unknowingly. Sorry if I waxed a bit too philosophical in here.[/QUOTE]The way Thai pronounce Maple could sound like Mabel very easily. They use what is called unaspirated P, and cannot do the L properly so probably sounds like May-bpern with "bp" being half way between a western B and P.

I thought her web pics looked okay possibly up to pretty, but face was somewhat hidden. I picked 4 girls I liked. Only Smile and Yumi remain. Kaimook and A have gone from website. I am wondering if this place has high turnover?

Your report has not really attracted me to Maple or put me off. I need to get a look at the real girl and also Smile and Yumi, to see which one stands out for me, if any.

Sandy is on the top of the web page. I hope this means something (top girl?) and there is a reason why Smile is number 2. Another poster confirmed Smile is very pretty and delicate.

Anyway I can tell from your posts, you are an optimist and not too tough on girls. I see myself as mid range probably on the optimistic side as well.