American Politics

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2923057]It's really funny how some people are willing to throw stones from the comfort of their glass houses. One would presume they should be very, very quiet due to glaring Trump's own mental issues, but alas.

From another thread:

[B]Biden Is Getting Older. Trump Is Losing His Mind.[/B]

[URL]https://www.thebulwark.com/p/biden-getting-older-trump-losing-mind[/URL]

[B]Trump, Dementia, Collective Pathology[/B]

[URL]https://kenmcgoogan.com/2024/05/17/trump-dementia-collective-pathology[/URL]

This is that damning petition McGoogan is talking about, and it's currently signed by nearly 2,500 licensed mental health professionals (3 weeks ago it was signed by 1,900 people).

[B]Our Diagnostic Impression of Trump is Probable Dementia: For Licensed Professionals Only[/B]

[URL]https://www.change.org/p/our-diagnostic-impression-of-trump-is-probable-dementia-for-licensed-professionals-only[/URL][/QUOTE]That is a thoroughly credible, unbiased, professional assessment of the alarming things we have been seeing and hearing from the unscripted and, well, even heavily scripted and telepromptered Donald Trump over the past 9+ years.

That is why his being banned from Facebook and Xitter in the past as well as the recent unavoidable criminal trial gag orders were all only helpful to his poll numbers and, in 2016, to his theft of that election. Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media were only helping Trump steal that election by not televising every minute and every word of every one of his rallies from the very beginning and they knew it.

By sharp contrast, the only thing the Trump Cult members can come up with as "evidence" of Joe Biden's non existant dementia are AI replications and tightly edited videos of him momentarily stepping away from the group at the G7 meeting to give a thumbs up and say something complimentary to the men in uniform.

And, no, proposing, fighting for and passing legislation and programs that led The World to and became the Crown Jewel of recovery from the historic, unprecedented death and economic destruction of Trump's Pandemic is not a "sign" of dementia.

Everybody knows that is all the Trump Cult members have got, all they can do. Which is why Merrick Garland is right not to give them the audio recording of Biden's interview with Hur. If they want to make up shit about Biden's mental acuity they will have to work harder with some AI tools rather than just tightly edit, twist and mangle the audio of his actual voice.

And, guaranteed, what Biden said when he walked over to those paratroopers was unscripted, no teleprompter, perfectly appropriate to the moment and pertinent to what the paratroopers had just done and nothing about being bitten by electrified sharks.

Another good post Elvis. A couple of comments.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2923084]Good to hear from you Tiny. But first off, I have to disagree with you. If you are a monger and think of yourself and others here as "law abiding citizens" then you are an arrogant douche regardless of party affiliation. If you are promoting "rule of law" when mongering versus innocent until proven guilty or reasonable doubt, then you are a hypocrite. I think several here are under the delusion that government likes them while hating other mongers... If your ego is in check, you should not be cheering this on but be petrified that the same could happen to you. You have to buy into the delusion of "rule of law" and the delusion that you are "law abiding" to be happy with it.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. The easiest analogies with respect to the topics at hand are E. Jean Carroll's 88 million award for an unproven sexual assault that occurred almost 30 years ago. And the 34 felony convictions for trying to cover up his sexual assignations with Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. There but for the grace of God go I. In the state where we live, seeing a prostitute is now a state jail felony.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2923084]If you have read those books, you know that law is grey. Law comes not just from legislative bodies, but also from judges and from administrative bodies, and they often contradict one another. If I am on a jury then, I am not focused on "rule of law" but what is best for us as a society. [/QUOTE]Yeah, that's what you and I would focus on as civil libertarians, but that's not the way the justice system works. The second we admit that we're unwilling to enforce stupid laws relevant to a case, we'd be struck from the jury. You're left with a group of 12 people who are going to follow the Almighty Law, regardless of what it says.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2923084] The DOJ allowed the statute of limitations expire on his most serious tax charges, buried evidence of the Bidens' foreign bribery allegations, and attempted to give Hunter a sweetheart deal with broad immunity. David Weiss wouldn't go after him on the serious tax charges or on FARA because all of that would lead back to the shady business dealings involving his father. Instead, they went after him for a much lesser charge, where the evidence was way too insurmountable to ignore, so they can scream "nobody is above the law" when they put President Trump in jail.

Why are we so upset about foreign governments, when the worst election manipulators are in our own government? I would much prefer the Democratic douches stop prosecuting Republicans out of this bullshit that was let slide before like FARA and contempt of Congress, but if you are going to use this rule of law bullshit, we will too.[/QUOTE]I agree and disagree. Yes, the reason Weiss was appointed was because the DOJ was caught proposing a sweetheart deal on tax charges. Yes, the DOJ allowed the statute of limitations to expire. However, I don't think Joe himself was bribed, although he did play along with Hunter's extraction of payments from foreign individuals and companies looking to whitewash crimes and bad behavior. Burisma is a great example. Was the Ukrainian government going after Mykola Zlochevsky (owner of Burisma), who transferred valuable oil and gas permits to his own company when he was Minister of Natural Resources? Well, as long as the son of the Vice President of the United States was on his board, hell no.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2923084] To strike away the 2nd amendment with Hunter shows how much power judges have, and a lot of them are fucking nuts. To say the judges in any of these NY cases were not compromised is a joke. The thing is in the two civil cases the judges got away with their BS.[/QUOTE]Engoron was nuts. The $455 million was beyond the pale, and New York Appeals courts struck down several of his rulings and lowered the amount of the bond required for appeal. Merchan was not nuts, but I believe he was biased. He gave the jury three ways to magically convert misdemeanor charges into felonies. I'm not familiar with the comment on the Supreme Court's facebook page.

Probably unlike you, I believe there are grounds to find Trump guilty in the Washington D.C. and Fulton County, Georgia cases. The New York cases on the other hand were plain stupid. Leticia James and Alvin Bragg made campaign promises to prosecute Trump and they kept them. Eighty seven percent of Manhattan voters went for Biden in 2020. Trump didn't have a chance.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2923043]So the Winger Murdoch-owned WSJ "report" with the headline:

[B]Behind Closed Doors, Biden Shows Signs of Slipping.
Participants in meetings said the 81-year-old president performed poorly at times. The White House said Biden is sharp and his critics are playing partisan politics.[/B]

Is obviously fair and balanced according to you because somewhere in the "report" they threw in some "Bothsider" pabulum about Trump too.

....When the WSJ features a headline like that about Donald covfefe, WWII is coming, I nearly escaped death, that photo of my sexual assault victim is of my wife, a failed teleprompter always means it's Sharknado Week, CEOs he addressed say he meandered and didn't know what he was talking about (a claim never made about Biden) Trump and then Sinclair Winger Broadcast Group's local news outlet anchors repeat the most election-damaging phrases from it in parrot-like mimicry around the country sometime between now and November 5, please post the links for it here.[/QUOTE]You lost me there, everything after covfefe except the shark incident. The article in question wasn't biased. Wall Street Journal news reporting is not biased. The Wall Street Journal editorial pages on the other hand are often very biased. I agree with them more often than not.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2923129]You lost me there, everything after covfefe except the shark incident. The article in question wasn't biased. Wall Street Journal news reporting is not biased. The Wall Street Journal editorial pages on the other hand are often very biased. I agree with them more often than not.[/QUOTE]You don't know anything about Trump blathering about how WWII is coming any minute now as a big dramatic closer for one of his fund raising events?

Nothing about him grandly announcing in writing that he "nearly escaped death", which means he is dead now BTW, in another of his fund raising efforts because he was 1,100 miles away from where the duly and routinely armed FBI agents searched his home / hotel in Mar-a-Lardo as was fully prearranged by all parties?

Nothing about him repeatedly misidentifying a photo of his sexual assault victim in the Carroll case as a photo of his wife, Marla?

Nothing about the corporate CEOs at a demonstrably GOP-friendly business meeting with Trump commenting that he meandered through it, seemed not to know what he was talking about?

Really?

Then I rest my case that Winger-owned media outlets like The Wall Street Journal at the national level and Sinclair Winger Broadcast Group at the local level have tried very hard and succeeded in keeping their patrons in a pro Trump, anti Biden media bubble.

So sad that many, many of the people Trump knows and hires to represent him, work with him in his time as an expert at bankrupting companies, losing millions if not billions of other people's money, producing his well deserved and well earned bi-partisan historian rating as The Worst President Ever and so on eventually turn on him or fail miserably to overcome his apparently insurmountable drive to produce utter catastrophe and turn everything he touches into shit right before it dies.

He really should have hired Elvis and Tiny to defend him in these recent civil and criminal trials.

Sure, he still would have lost 80+ Million in at least that one civil trial, the penalty of which was not about him sexually assaulting her. That was only $5 Million of it. No, it was about him not being able to keep his dementia rattled pie hole closed about it and refrain from continually tormenting and defaming her about it.

And sure, he still would have been convicted of all 34 of those Felonies because it was proven conclusively by all of the written documentation, written description of the crime by one of Trump's conspirators and all the sworn under oath testimony that the Hush Money payments, which were not the crimes he was charged with, and the criminally false business recording of them were fully and exclusively done in order to commit Election Fraud, a big criminal no-no in New York State, and to steal the 2016 Election, a further big criminal no-no in New York State.

But Elvis' and Tinys' repeated misrepresentation of what the actual civil awards, indictments and crimes were about are not what would have made them better choices than the attorneys Trump hired and who are no doubt destined to be stiffed on their fees and / or disbarred for whatever additional crime Trump lured them into along the way.

No, it is because it would have been fun to witness them struggling to make it all seem falsely equivalent to engaging in legal P4 P in Thailand or just a long ago misunderstanding about what unwanted and uninvited pussy grabbing and penetration really is in practice or some such nonsense. LOL.

Like the majority of Americans, I believe Biden is more senile than Trump. And Trump is nuttier than Biden. You don't have to choose between them though. You just need to come to the realization that, even if you live in a battleground state, your vote won't count. One vote won't make a difference.

I'll be voting for Libertarian Chase Oliver. He's 37 years old and "armed and gay. " What's not to like about that? Oliver is the best general election candidate since Gary Johnson in 2016.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2923057]It's really funny how some people are willing to throw stones from the comfort of their glass houses. One would presume they should be very, very quiet due to glaring Trump's own mental issues, but alas.

From another thread:

[B]Biden Is Getting Older. Trump Is Losing His Mind.[/B]

[URL]https://www.thebulwark.com/p/biden-getting-older-trump-losing-mind[/URL]

[B]Trump, Dementia, Collective Pathology[/B]

[URL]https://kenmcgoogan.com/2024/05/17/trump-dementia-collective-pathology[/URL]

This is that damning petition McGoogan is talking about, and it's currently signed by nearly 2,500 licensed mental health professionals (3 weeks ago it was signed by 1,900 people).

[B]Our Diagnostic Impression of Trump is Probable Dementia: For Licensed Professionals Only[/B]

[URL]https://www.change.org/p/our-diagnostic-impression-of-trump-is-probable-dementia-for-licensed-professionals-only[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2923139]You don't know anything about Trump blathering about how WWII is coming any minute now as a big dramatic closer for one of his fund raising events?

Nothing about him grandly announcing in writing that he "nearly escaped death", which means he is dead now BTW, in another of his fund raising efforts because he was 1,100 miles away from where the duly and routinely armed FBI agents searched his home / hotel in Mar-a-Lardo as was fully prearranged by all parties?

Nothing about him repeatedly misidentifying a photo of his sexual assault victim in the Carroll case as a photo of his wife, Marla?

Nothing about the corporate CEOs at a demonstrably GOP-friendly business meeting with Trump commenting that he meandered through it, seemed not to know what he was talking about?

Really?

Then I rest my case that Winger-owned media outlets like The Wall Street Journal at the national level and Sinclair Winger Broadcast Group at the local level have tried very hard and succeeded in keeping their patrons in a pro Trump, anti Biden media bubble.[/QUOTE]When you break your paragraphs up into sentences and put more thought into what you're writing, like you did in this post, you make more sense.

[QUOTE= CheckMate1;2922789]Listened to Scaramucci on rick wilson on youtube about how it may be different than how things are portrayed with polls and media.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the heads-up! Although I was expecting more talk on polls, beyond just the 30 sec in first and last 3-mins, of the video.

[QUOTE= CheckMate1;2922789] I thought their insight was very interesting. One of them said that in 2016, people didn't want to say they were voting for Trump out of fear of being alienated by their family / friends. Now in 2024, pretty much all the people who are going to vote for Trump, within the Republican party, are very much outspoken. And those who do not plan to vote for him, are in a state of silence out of fear of MAGA. I believe this to be true as well.

So I think he will have fewer votes than he did in 2020, and possibly even less than 2016. Time will tell. That's why I tell everyone to vote, don't care who they vote for. Just do it.

Pollsters and media like to have a close match. Ratings / revenues are better for it. They have a reason to keep things close. [/QUOTE]

Good to see, they are just as concerned about the Repub zealots and fanatics, surrounding Project 2025. And nothing good say about spinless Kevin McCarthy. I mean nothing! (....kkkk!)

What did come as a bit of a surprise was when Scaramucci says [i][b]"...Trump didn't think he was gonna win. Trump did not expect to win...". [/i][/b] He goes on to say that, "...on election night (Nov 8th, 2016) at 6pm, Trump says tomorrow he's looking forward to moving his plane to JFK from from LaGuardia (in order to fly out internationally), to play golf in Scotland at his new golf course."

That's how much Trump was looking forward to running the country and defending the free world...golf! Which again goes to the notion, that Trump cares nothing for America and all the ceremonial flag hugging, he does, is all just a farce and pure theater, for the gullible QAnon/MAGA cult.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2923127] [QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2923084]If you have read those books, you know that law is grey. Law comes not just from legislative bodies, but also from judges and from administrative bodies, and they often contradict one another. If I am on a jury then, [b]I am not focused on "rule of law" but what is best for us as a society. [/b][/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's what you and I would focus on as civil libertarians, but that's not the way the justice system works. The second we admit that we're unwilling to enforce stupid laws relevant to a case, we'd be struck from the jury. You're left with a group of 12 people who are going to follow the Almighty Law, regardless of what it says.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, right! Dare I say you guys sound like a bunch of bleeding liberals (....kkkk!) Isn't it funny, how so many of you die-hard "law and order" Repubs, turn into libs, the moment the law rules against you.

What ever happen to the adjudicating the trial/case, based on the facts and evidence, presented before you, as a juror?

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2923084]...I am not focused on "rule of law" [b]but what is best for us as a society.[/b][/QUOTE] (...kkkk!) As if you would know! (...kkkk!) Pure hubris! (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=Spidy;2923256]Thanks for the heads-up! Although I was expecting more talk on polls, beyond just the 30 sec in first and last 3-mins, of the video.



Good to see, they are just as concerned about the Repub zealots and fanatics, surrounding Project 2025. And nothing good say about spinless Kevin McCarthy. I mean nothing! (....kkkk!)

What did come as a bit of a surprise was when Scaramucci says [i][b]"...Trump didn't think he was gonna win. Trump did not expect to win...". [/i][/b] He goes on to say that, "...on election night (Nov 8th, 2016) at 6pm, Trump says tomorrow he's looking forward to moving his plane to JFK from from LaGuardia (in order to fly out internationally), to play golf in Scotland at his new golf course."

That's how much Trump was looking forward to running the country and defending the free world...golf! Which again goes to the notion, that Trump cares nothing for America and all the ceremonial flag hugging, he does, is all just a farce and pure theater, for the gullible QAnon/MAGA cult.[/QUOTE]That is the immutable pattern throughout the past 100 years.

Every incoming Repub taking over from an outgoing Dem has had exactly the same level of ease and luxury as Trump had after election day to either do absolutely nothing but plan a Gala Inauguration Ball, choosing the color scheme, table center piece decorations, entertainment and what not or start marking their calenders for the next 4 years of golfing, pony riding, golfing and sleeping, clearing brush down at the ranch, golfing, golfing, sleeping, sleeping and golfing.

Because the State of the Union at the end of any Dem presidential term is that stable and with all important factors on an improving trajectory and there is damn little the incoming Repub really needs to do in much of a hurry. Don't Worry, Be Happy.

And that, of course, comes at the end of a take no prisoners MSM-aided Repub Campaign of fake descriptions of American Carnage, skyrocketing crime rates, caravans of disease-ridden mutants invading our borders, abject poverty everywhere, empty shelves at grocery stores, no food, no water, life in America has never been worse. LOL.

But first, a few months of golfing and ridin' ponies. Lolol.

Contrast that with the horrific conditions incoming Dems have faced almost without exception at the end result of virtually every outgoing Repub presidency. Good lord. MSM and the American people are snapping at their heels, demanding they do something to fix this unprecedented, colossal Once in 100 Years Economic and / or National Security Disaster! And they want if fixed TODAY or there will be heads on sticks TOMORROW! LOL.

And no incoming Dems taking over from outgoing Repubs in the midst the typical horrific Repub presidential results had as great a challenge to repair those unprecedented Repub Disasters yet met that challenge and exceeded all reasonable expectations for recovery as did FDR, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

And that is an inarguable historical fact.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2923271]Yeah, right! Dare I say you guys sound like a bunch of bleeding liberals (....kkkk!) Isn't it funny, how so many of you die-hard "law and order" Repubs, turn into libs, the moment the law rules against you.

What ever happen to the adjudicating the trial/case, based on the facts and evidence, presented before you, as a juror?

(...kkkk!) As if you would know! (...kkkk!) Pure hubris! (...kkkk!)[/QUOTE]I'll wear that badge with honor. I'm a social liberal and an economic liberal. You're not a liberal. You're a partisan Democrat.

Please see my post below:

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2923031]As Silverglate has written, this issue is much bigger than just Biden and Trump. And for that matter it's even bigger than what Silverglate writes about. How many young, black American men are in jail who shouldn't be? How many people have been executed who never should have been? We historically have had the highest or close to the highest incarceration rate in the world. The prosecutors are out of control.[/QUOTE]And please point to where I said Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton or any other Democrat should be jailed. If I were dictator, fewer Democrats would be in jail. I wouldn't even lock up Menendez, unless he violated probation.

Would you lock up Trump for the Stormy Daniels/Karen McDougal charges?

Sincerely,

Bleeding Heart Liberal Tiny.

There is no "Joe Biden counterpart" to this. None.

[B]Let's Talk About Trump's Gibberish.
What the former president's shark tirade says about American politics and media.
By Tom Nichols
June 12,2024.[/B]

[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/06/trump-sharks-las-vegas-rally-speech/678667/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=edit-promo[/URL]

[QUOTE]Perhaps the greatest trick Donald Trump ever pulled was convincing millions of people and the American media to treat his lapses into fantasies and gibberish as a normal, meaningful form of oratory. But Trump is not a normal person, and his speeches are not normal political events.

For too long, Trump has gotten away with pretending that his emotional issues are just part of some offbeat New York charm or an expression of his enthusiasm for public performance. But Trump is obviously unfit and something is profoundly wrong with a political environment in which he can now say almost anything, no matter how weird, and his comments will get a couple of days of coverage and then a shrug, as if to say: Another day, another Trump rant about sharks.

Wait, what?

Yes, sharks. In Las Vegas on Sunday, Trump went off-script. I have to assume that no competent speechwriter would have drafted this and riffed on the important question of how to electrocute a shark while one attacks. He had been talking, he claims, to someone about electric boats: "I say, 'What would happen if the boat sank from its weight and you're in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery's now underwater, and there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there?

As usual, Trump noted how much he impressed his interlocutor with his very smart hypothetical: "And he said, 'Nobody ever asks this question,' and it must be because of MIT, my relationship to MIT. Very smart. " (MIT? Trump's uncle taught there and retired over a half century ago, when Trump was in his 20's, and died in 1985. Trump often implies that his uncle passed on MIT's brainpower by genetic osmosis or something.).

This ramble went on for a bit longer, until Trump made it clear that given his choice, he'the rather be zapped instead of eaten: "But you know what I'the do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted? I'll take electrocution every single time. I'm not getting near the shark. So we're going to end that, we're going to end it for boats, we're going to end it for trucks. ".

Hopefully, this puts to rest any pressing questions among Americans about the presumptive Republican nominee's feelings on electric vehicles and their relationship to at least two gruesome ways to die.

Sure, it seems funnyHaha! Uncle Don is telling that crazy shark story again! Until we remember that this man wants to return to a position where he would hold America's secrets, be responsible for the execution of our laws, and preside as the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world. A moment that seems like oddball humor should, in fact, terrify any American voter, because this behavior in anyone else would be an instant disqualification for any political office, let alone the presidency. (Actually, a delusional, rambling felon known to have owned weapons would likely fail a security check for even a visit to the Oval Office.).

Nor was the Vegas monologue the first time: Trump for years has fallen off one verbal cliff after another, with barely a ripple in the national consciousness. I am not a psychiatrist, and I am not diagnosing Trump with anything. I am, however, a man who has lived on this Earth for more than 60 years, and I know someone who has serious emotional problems when I see them played out in front of me, over and over. The 45th president is a disturbed person. He cannot be trusted with any position of responsibilityand especially not with a nuclear arsenal of more than 1,500 weapons. One wrong move could lead to global incineration.

Why hasn't there been more sustained and serious attention paid to Trump's emotional state?

First, Trump's target audience is used to him. Watch the silence that descends over the crowds at such moments; when Trump wanders off into the recesses of his own mind, they chit-chat or check their phones or look around, waiting for him to come back and offer them an applause line. For them, it's all just part of the show.

Second, Trump's staff tries to put just enough policy fiber into Trump's nutty verbal souffls that they can always sell a talking point later, as if his off-ramps from reality are merely tiny bumps in otherwise sensible speeches. Trump himself occasionally seems surprised when these policy nuggets pop up in a speech; when reading the teleprompter, he sometimes adds comments such as "so true, so true," perhaps because he's encountering someone else's words for the first time and agreeing with them. Thus, they will later claim that questions about sharks or long-dead uncles are just bad-faith distractions from substance. (These are the same Republicans who claim that every verbal stumble from Joe Biden indicates full-blown dementia.).

Third, and perhaps most concerning in terms of public discussion, many people in the media have fallen under the spell of the Jedi hand-waves from Trump and his people that none of this is as disturbing and weird as it sounds. The refs have been worked: A significant segment of the media and even the Democratic Party has bought into a Republican narrative that asking whether Trump is mentally unstable is somehow biased and elitist, the kind of thing that could only occur to Beltway mandarins who don't understand how the candidate talks to normal people.

Such objections are mendacious nonsense and represent a massive double standard. As Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post wrote today: "It is irresponsible to obsess over President Biden's tendency to mangle a couple of words in a speech while Donald Trump is out there sounding detached from reality. " Biden's mush-mouthed moments fall well within the range of normal gaffes. Had he or any other American politician said anything even remotely like one of Trump's bizarre digressions, we would be flooded with front-page stories about it. Pundits would be solemnly calling for a Much Needed National Conversation about the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.

It is long past time for anyone who isn't in the Trump base to admit, and to keep talking about, something that has been obvious for years: Donald Trump is unstable. Some of these problems were evident when he first ran, and we now know from revelations by many of his former staff that his problems processing information and staying tethered to reality are not part of some hammy act.

Worse, the people who once managed Trump's cognitive and emotional issues are gone, never to return. A second Trump White House will be staffed with the bottom of the barrel the opportunists and hangers-on willing to work for a reprehensible man. His Oval Office will be empty of responsible and experienced public servants if the day comes when someone has to explain to him why war might be about to erupt on the Korean peninsula or why the Russian or Chinese nuclear forces have gone on alert, and he starts talking about frying sharks with boat batteries.

The 45th president is deeply unwell. It is long past time for Americans, including those in public life, to recognize his inability to serve as the 47th.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2923274]I'll wear that badge with honor. I'm a social liberal and an economic liberal. ...
...
Sincerely,

Bleeding Heart Liberal Tiny.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure you do, Tiny 12, wear it with honor, but does Elvis 2008?

BTW, [b]congratulations on coming out of the closet![/b] I'd like to see you keep that same energy on a number of other social liberal issues.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2923274]You're not a liberal. You're a partisan Democrat. [/QUOTE]
So now you're telling me what I am? That's mighty big of you!

So tell me, does you're [b]"all knowing"[/b] god complex, care to tell me, [b]what Elvis 2008 is?[/b] Or any other ISGer is, for that matter?

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2923274]
Please see my post below:

And please point to where I said Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton or any other Democrat should be jailed. [b]If I were dictator[/b], fewer Democrats would be in jail. I wouldn't even lock up Menendez, unless he violated probation. [/QUOTE] (...kkkk) For decades, the Repub's mantra and whole philosophy has been to advocate and position itself as the party of "law and order". But it's plainly obvious, this philosophy only applies when "the law" (or LE), is not against them.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2923274]Would you lock up Trump for the Stormy Daniels/Karen McDougal charges? [/QUOTE] Trump was convicted, based on the facts and evidence presented, was he not?

Personally, it's good to see The Rule of Law, has held up to its billing and not some kind of twisted Republican version, of what they think the law should be, or to whom is should ONLY apply.

A Rule of Law, that holds true to itself, is one where everyone is accountable and NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!

If you guys really believe the shit you're shoveling, then get out and fight for a change and more equality, in unjust laws, a criminal justice system and police brutality!

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2923227]Like the majority of Americans, I believe Biden is more senile than Trump. And Trump is nuttier than Biden. You don't have to choose between them though. You just need to come to the realization that, even if you live in a battleground state, your vote won't count. One vote won't make a difference.

I'll be voting for Libertarian Chase Oliver. He's 37 years old and "armed and gay. " What's not to like about that? Oliver is the best general election candidate since Gary Johnson in 2016.[/QUOTE]After a cursory search I didn't find any evidence that "the majority of Americans" believes "Biden is more senile than Trump" while "Trump is nuttier than Biden. " By the way, that's a cute choice of words because senility always means a mental condition, while "nuttiness" can mean a variety of things including some positive character traits.

The problem with your assessment is that thousands of mental health professionals seem to strongly disagree with you.

As for the second part of your post, it leaves me baffled. Why even bother voting for Oliver when according to your own logic, your vote won't count. Like won't count at all because his chance of becoming president is precisely zero?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2923127]However, I don't think Joe himself was bribed[/QUOTE]There was no definitive proof but that is what an investigation would have been for. Anyway, an investigation into that is never going to happen.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2923127]Probably unlike you, I believe there are grounds to find Trump guilty in the Washington D.C. and Fulton County, Georgia cases. The New York cases on the other hand were plain stupid. Leticia James and Alvin Bragg made campaign promises to prosecute Trump and they kept them. Eighty seven percent of Manhattan voters went for Biden in 2020. Trump didn't have a chance.[/QUOTE]If Fani Willis would have put more time into getting Trump rather than flying all over the place with her paid escort, Trump would have had a second guilty verdict. With that judge, that prosecutor, and a Fulton County jury, Trump had a better chance of being found innocent in Manhattan.

Tiny, I do not know if you saw the Republican party hearing on the SOS Brad Raffensperger. To the Dems here, it was a show just to blast him because Trump did not win, but the reality is there were all kind of voting irregularities in Georgia. The person heading the committee stopped the woman listing the offenses after three or four and said, "we get the idea". It was sooo bad. Of all the areas that were rigged / questionable, Georgia was the worst, and everyone knows it. So was Trump guilty? IMO No. Would have he been found guilty? Hell yes.

With the federal case, if you apply the "rule of law", Trump is totally guilty. The problem is how do you apply the law to Trump and not Pence, not HRC, not Biden and not Obama. The notion that the FBI was totally and 100% down with this SWAT team rolling into Mar-a-lago is pure BS.

Bloomberg did a FOIA and this is what they found: [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-15/trump-documents-raid-at-mar-a-lago-sparked-protest-from-fbi-employees[/URL].

"Did this really just happen? Am I dreaming? The FBI served a Search Warrant on a former president?" wrote an incredulous bureau employee in an email that was sent to the FBI's acting ombudsman, Chauncenette Morey, shortly after the Mar-a-Lago search. "If he took documents, give him a call and ask for them back. Like. Seriously? My own agency. A bunch of democrat political hacks up top. I've lost just about all faith in our leadership. Obviously they forgot Crossfire Hurricane. ".

Another wrote, "What is the predication of the warrant? It better be more than putting a few documents in the archives or classified material the man could have easily declassified.

The documents mention one threat that received widespread media attention: a Navy veteran armed with an AR-15 who said on social media days after the Mar-a-Lago search that federal agents should be killed "on sight. " he died in a shootout with a state trooper in Ohio after he tried to breach the FBI's Cincinnati field office.

And the response? The director sent a really nice letter but all it really said was "trust us".

End of link.

So yeah, Trump broke the law, but it is a law that is treated with grace when you are a former president, and you have the issue with Jack Smith not being a government employee being appointed as special prosecutor, mishandling of documents, a warrant that was not limited in scope, and sending in FBI agents in plan clothes to a place where the SS is duty bound to protect and the FBI authorized to use deadly force. We are lucky there was not a shootout and for what? Whatever is in those documents, Trump has infinitely more government secrets in his head. And trust us after all this? Bleech!

If there was a jury, they would not be shown the documents. It will be just trust us there were vital secrets within these documents and even though Trump is guilty, I would find some way to inject reasonable doubt because this is such banana republic shit, but it is not going to come to that. There have been multiple motions to dismiss the case and after the election, the judge will force the prosecution into a settlement which will probably be a fine in order to save face.