Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Vodkin;1977303]Recently I noticed some report and comment posts on Honey Bee and Kiss. I am wondering if anyone has noticed New Massage off Soi 33 [URL]http://newmassages.com/store[/URL] , some girls on their website are listed on Honey Bee, Kiss and Passion on Soi 22 (Soda, A, Cake Fha etc.). Is New Massage another sister shop of Honey Bee? I hope that someone may bring some light on this.[/QUOTE]I have visited New Massage. I believed the owner used to be affiliated with Dream Heaven next door. Prices seem a bit higher at New. The girl I liked is not pictured on the website. I did not yet spot any other beauty there in attendance despite some of the website pics looking okay To good (with shopping). Real girl sometimes does not live up to the pic I guess and some were just not there at the time.

I don't know if New is affiliated with the other MPs in Soi 22. Does it really matter? Clearly the girls cannot be in all 4 shops at the same time. Perhaps they show up at particular shows when a booking occurs, or do outcall.

Take into account that sometimes MPs show girls who don't really work there any longer, however that may not be the case.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1977390]This leads to the a-la-carte approach to sex services, and I don't like it the least bit. Seems OK if it stops with A+, but it's a slippery slope leading to surcharges for BBBJ, CIM, DFK, DATY, taking off the bra, an extra shot. You can make the identical argument for each of those.

PSE shops are supposed to be about the girl giving you the best service possible within the time you paid for. Of course, some girls are uncomfortable with A+ and that's fine, it's always good to ask upfront anyway. However, if the girl is willing to do A+, turning it into an upsell item is never to the customer's benefit. With a girl who already does A+, you pay more (you lose), with a girl who would only do it for the extra money, you get bad, unenthusiastic and reluctant A+ that she'd rather not do (you lose again).[/QUOTE]The a la carte menu reminds me of Club K5 in Prague. When I entered the club a number of years ago I was told a menu of services with prices attached, including such things as DFK, etc. I suppose it was no coincidence I went there once, and only once as it made the sex seem that much more like a mere business transaction.

As to the 500 baht surcharge for A+, I have a few ideas as to why a couple of places have added it. The most obvious is prices at oilies have remained constant for more than ten years, and it might be an attempt to extract a bit more money from customers without a general price increase. But the less obvious possibility stems from the fact (at least I think it is a fact) that many of the PSE oilies have fewer girls these days who are willing to do A+. This might reflect that with the improving economy it is becoming more difficult to get girls to work in these places, and even more difficult getting girls willing to do A+. But I suspect the non A+ girls get significantly fewer customers, and for this reason being a non-A+ girl may not be so profitable. Perhaps the thinking is if there is a 500 baht surcharge for A+, more guys will simply go with standard service thereby bringing more business to the non-A+ girls, in turn making it easier to recruit and retain them. I'm not sure whether this is how things actually work out, but it might be one rationale for why some of the shops are charging extra for A+, I. E. , in an attempt to direct some business to girls who do not do A+ so they do not leave their employment owing to lack of customers.

Just an idea that may or may not be true.

[QUOTE=TheManSam;1977314]Hi fellow mongers,

I need some advice from you guys. Just had a lot of fun at my friend's bachelor party in Sydney so my wallet is not feeling too great at the moment. I'll be in Bangkok for one day next week and I'd like to know what's the most value for money MP around. I've tried to RTFF but there are so many damn choices that I'm pretty much overwhelmed with information after reading 10 pages. So yeah, hook a brother up with some info please. I'm more interested in service / enthusiasm than looks. Let me know the damage please and the details if possible (number of shots, services offered, etc.).[/QUOTE]I do realize that you specified MP. My own experience on value for money in general is the FL talent. It can be a crapshoot like in any venue but I've pulled 2 very good providers from Nana parking this week. 1,000 baht for one and 1,500 for the other. I might have negotiated on the 2nd one but I found her to be a very attractive spinner. No baby damage on either. The 2nd one claims to be 30. Only the tiny crows feet suggest otherwise. She has the body of an 18 yo and the appetite of a 32 yo. Both experiences surpassed my 2 most recent trips to oilies and at one half and one third of the price.

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As to the 500 baht surcharge for A+, I have a few ideas as to why a couple of places have added it. The most obvious is prices at oilies have remained constant for more than ten years, and it might be an attempt to extract a bit more money from customers without a general price increase. But the less obvious possibility stems from the fact (at least I think it is a fact) that many of the PSE oilies have fewer girls these days who are willing to do A+. This might reflect that with the improving economy it is becoming more difficult to get girls to work in these places, and even more difficult getting girls willing to do A+. But I suspect the non A+ girls get significantly fewer customers, and for this reason being a non-A+ girl may not be so profitable. Perhaps the thinking is if there is a 500 baht surcharge for A+, more guys will simply go with standard service thereby bringing more business to the non-A+ girls, in turn making it easier to recruit and retain them. I'm not sure whether this is how things actually work out, but it might be one rationale for why some of the shops are charging extra for A+, I. E. , in an attempt to direct some business to girls who do not do A+ so they do not leave their employment owing to lack of customers.
[/QUOTE]I don't like all the extras upsell and yes I agree, that lack of a price hike for the girls is part of the problem. At many shops girls get 1400 from the take (yes not even 1500) and it is not just worthwhile to include anal for this price, and these non PSE shops have few girls doing Anal. At one shop the girl said her take was only 1300 (unverified). Girls also get charged various deductions and fines.

I reckon the PSE shops, if they had an all in price, could set two tiers of pricing. The 1500 FS girls, and a slightly higher number for the superstars and A+ girls, but still have the prices as all inclusive so upsell would not be necessary. I think the superstar and A+ girls do deserve to make more than the ordinary girls. Many customers don't tip, so tipping does not allow best girls to make more money reliably. Perhaps the higher tier girls could make 1800 instead of 1500?

Just a wild idea, although we note that some shops (Mitu) already have special gold or platinum class girls for a different amount to standard girls. Pricing tiers has been there so many years already with soapies of course (without any relevance to A+)

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1977207]Actually, she has 2 Facebook pages, one for one circle of friends and one for another. I asked her the same question and did not get an answer. How did you find the one Facebook of hers? She must of told you her nickname because it's not under the name Ninja, but she uses her family name on both pages and neither Facebook is linked to her phone number. If you PM me the name she knows you by, I'll ask her if I can give you her phone number. Of course this is at a risk of letting her know about our little secret here so I'll have to make up a cover story about how we know each other.[/QUOTE]I've seen the Facebook pages of lots of the girls at Snow White, including Nonny. That's how I knew about her Korean boyfriend. I like stalking them but I never contact them. Snow White is closed for 3 days over the new year so Ninja's clearly not going to come back before then. Given that she's a graduate she could make more money as an escort couldn't she? Just needs to improve her English skills. I'd be pleasantly surprised to see her back at Snow White.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977205]I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.[/QUOTE]Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977224]Even in shops where A+ is normal and free, I don't find girls offering it to me if I don't mention / request it, more than once every two years. LOL Hence I don't even know which girls provide A+, for most part.

If they were to receive a money bonus, I could be getting a lot more offers, perhaps. Might actually take it more, if the girl seemed really keen on it.[/QUOTE]Yes, when A+ is free, then this is like extra work for no extra money. A lot of women probably see this kind of thing as unfair. Which discourages them from doing it. It's like you need to pursue the chick with your dick to get her to do A+ with you. And even then, she might say 'No' to you, just because she thinks it's unfair.

But when you introduce a 500 B surcharge for A+, then this changes the situation completely. Because now the lady has something to gain from getting you to go A+ on her. It's like you aren't safe with the A+ lady anymore as a pussy-only guy. She will tease you with her nice ass and make corny jokes about you doing her A+.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1977425]Perhaps the thinking is if there is a 500 baht surcharge for A+, more guys will simply go with standard service thereby bringing more business to the non-A+ girls, in turn making it easier to recruit and retain them. [/QUOTE]Or perhaps guys who are looking for A+ will go to Snow White, Tulip, Sky and will avoid the 500 baht surcharge, everything is possible.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977472]Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.[/QUOTE]Agree, isn't positive at all, a-la-carte menu like FKK isn't good.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977472]Positive? I don't think so. As LA Guy said; it's a slippery slope. Next thing you know it will be all a al carte. Nope, "all girls do everything" which was Saeng's mantra is the way to go. Most of these gals are quite lazy and won't care about the 500 Baht.[/QUOTE]The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free. Then guys will want something else for free too. And eventually it will get so bad that it won't be worthwhile for them to do P4P anymore.

You need to recognize that the ladies and guys have opposing interests to some extent. Which requires a compromise, where both sides get a part of what they want. Or else it's no deal.

Sure, it can be a slippery slope either for guys or for ladies, depending on who gets to have their way. But this kind of thing destroys the market. The only way the market can work is when you have a compromise. And 500B for A+ is a very reasonable compromise that does something for both ladies and guys.

The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+. A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies. Or else A+ is not even on the menu, let alone the lady encouraging you to go A+ on her.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free. [/QUOTE]For Free? LOL you pay 1500 baht for her service, this is not free. No one force the girls to do A+, if a girl provide A+ is her choice.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+. [/QUOTE]Not true, not all girls provide CIM or rimjob, so girls could start to ask extra tip for CIM and rimjob also. Or make a BBBJ extra, on another board I read a report from guy that got a CBJ from BB in Cherry Massage.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies. [/QUOTE]This is just your idea, IME (I always go for A+) when girls not ask the tip for anal they always provide a good A+ service, when the girls ask for tip often is mean they don't want to do and try to earn more money for a bad service.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1977392]The overwhelming majority of guys (a) don't have supremely good control over when they'll cum to make best use of the exact allotted time ....[/QUOTE]I'd say that the majority of guys actually have extremely good control. It's just that they aren't in a good position to use it with their girl.

Virtually all guys masturbate, according to any sex-statistics you read. And you probably know this even from your own experience that you can make your pleasure last, rather than just do it hard and fast. It's not difficult for any guy to make his masturbation pleasure last for some time and not cum right away.

You can use the same technique to nail the lady with your dick. You just need to do the lady the same way you do it yourself with your hand. Which isn't hard to do, when you are on top of the lady, and you are doing all the work with her.

Basically, it's all about taking frequent breaks, instead of doing it non-stop all the time. You take a break, when start coming close to orgasm, then do it again. That's what enables you to last for a long time. And I think guys masturbate like this all the time, when they watch porn. This is something every guy knows how to do.

The thing that stops guys from lasting for a long time with their lady like this is the social situation during their penetration. You have no agreement with the lady about how long you can stay with your cock inside her pussy. And you have no idea if she will let you go back inside, if you pull out even for a moment.

This is a very insecure situation for the guy to be in. And that's why he does it in a totally different way, from the way he normally masturbates himself. Feeling insecure with the lady makes the guy do her all the time, non-stop. Which more often than not leads to a premature pop.

But it doesn't have to be this way, at least not in a P4P type of situation. You can agree with the lady on a 30-minute cock-inside-pussy ride, with only one cumshot allowed. And then you can feel safe enough to make yourself last with her, the way you normally make yourself last during masturbation.

I've watched quite a few porn scenes. And according to my estimate, the lady usually gets nailed for about 25-30 minutes in an average porn scene. And taking frequent breaks is the way guys last this long with their lady. You almost never see the guy get on top and pound the lady non-stop. It's always a little bit of oral. A quick pussy ride. Back to oral. Back to pussy in a different position. They change positions frequently, with some oral breaks in between. Then it might be some anal for the lady, if she is so inclined. But the key in all of this is the frequent breaks the guy takes. This is why he lasts so long.

Pull out, then go back inside. That's what enables you to last for a long time during the ride. But you need to be sure and secure that the lady will let you go back inside after you pull out of her. And that's why you need that agreement about how long you get to ride her pussy, even if you get only one cumshot with her.

Porn scenes are a good example of how it can be done. And it is a fact that vast majority of porn-scenes show only one cumshot. Guys make themselves last by taking frequent breaks with their lady. And it works for these guys, because they have an agreement with their lady about the time they get to ride her pussy or ass.

I think virtually every guy can do it like this. Because it's not possible to cum, when you aren't nailing the lady's bum. All you need to do is pull out. Take a quick break. Then plunge back inside for another ride.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1977484]....No one force the girls to do A+, if a girl provide A+ is her choice....[/QUOTE]It's not much of a choice, when the lady doesn't get paid for it. This is like going to a store and giving the owner a choice to give you something for free on top of what you buy.

Sure, sometimes the owner might give you a free trinket to keep good relations with you. But you won't get much, and you won't get it every time.

That's the way it is with ladies doing A+ for free, on top of what you pay for.

If you want the lady to tease you with her ass and invite you for A+, then you need to encourage her choice with some good compensation. Or else it's not much of a choice for her. Because she has no incentive to do it.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977205]I'd say that 500 B for A+ is a very reasonable surcharge to have. This is a positive development for both ladies and guys.

Because now, instead of looking at it as extra work, the ladies will see it as a way to make extra money.

Instead of discouraging guys from asking for A+, these ladies will now try to convert their pussy guys into A+ guys. It's like you just need to say the word, and the lady will pound you with her ass in reverse-cowgirl. This is a great situation for guys to have.[/QUOTE]This is nothing more than a price increase. If the former "all anal (A+) inclusive" price at the PSE shops was 2000 be, then the new price should be 1500 be "without anal" with an add-on option for anal at 500 be. Then we are at parity pricing and the ladies will really see providing anal as a way to make extra money. As the current approach stands, the girl can now provide a more restricted set of services for the same price as previous and the punter has to upgrade to get to the same point as previous. Next they will offer a-la-carte upsell options such as +200 be for kissing, +300 be for BBBJ, etc.

In my purely personal ideal of how an oily experience would go, I would walk into a shop where the receptionist would hand me an iPad with a list of options. I would tick all the options that fit my taste / desire at that particular moment. For example, I would tick DFK, BBBJ, rimming, BBFS, no baby, 18-25 yo and the system would spit out which girls matched criterion and their price. I could then select by the photos or ask for a lineup of all the girls that were of that profile to check out their in-person looks. Before going to the room, I would be happy to pre-pay as long as the girl pre-confirmed her understanding of my "ticklist of requirements" with a sign on the dotted line of committment. Of course this is just a dream. These McFuck places are just going to be what they are and service innovation is just wishful thinking. As many members observe, these shops require quite a bit of search with hit-and-miss results. Any girl that is spectacular will be short-lived. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1977507]This is nothing more than a price increase....[/QUOTE]I agree that a price increase isn't the best thing for guys. But having limited opportunity and choice for A+ isn't the best thing for guys either.

You get what you pay for. Which isn't much, when you don't pay anything.

Sure, there are some ladies who are doing A+ for free. But many of these ladies probably do it because they are less attractive than other ladies. This is their way to attract guys, who otherwise might not be attracted to them.

Looks are important too. And if you want better-looking ladies to start doing A+ with their guys, including you, then you need to provide some incentive for them. Or else they won't do it.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977506]It's not much of a choice, when the lady doesn't get paid for it. This is like going to a store and giving the owner a choice to give you something for free on top of what you buy.
Sure, sometimes the owner might give you a free trinket to keep good relations with you. But you won't get much, and you won't get it every time.
That's the way it is with ladies doing A+ for free, on top of what you pay for.
If you want the lady to tease you with her ass and invite you for A+, then you need to encourage her choice with some good compensation. Or else it's not much of a choice for her. Because she has no incentive to do it.[/QUOTE]Your comparison makes absolutely no sense to me, you can not compare the seller of a shop that sells items with a girl selling her own body. How you can say that she doesn't get paid? Girls in PSE don't do nothing for free, they give you a service for 1500 baht plus massage fee to the shop. In the PSE shop not all ladies provide A+ so this is mean no one force them to do A+, is their body and they choose if do Anal or not. Some girls choose to not do A+, some choose to do A+, again is their choise.

Then you can try to draw other execuses, but would not change the speech. If you feel bad to go in a PSE shop and fuck girls in the ass for 1500 baht you can always give them 500-1000 or more baht for tip.
If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.