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If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.[/QUOTE]More money leads to more girls, and better-looking girls too.

It's just that this kind of thing takes time to happen. It doesn't happen overnight.

First, you start paying more money. The ladies start boasting to each other about how much money they've made. Then this encourages other ladies to join in the fun and have you nail their bum.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1977511]Your comparison makes absolutely no sense to me, you can not compare the seller of a shop that sells items with a girl selling her own body. How you can say that she doesn't get paid? Girls in PSE don't do nothing for free, they give you a service for 1500 baht plus massage fee to the shop. In the PSE shop not all ladies provide A+ so this is mean no one force them to do A+, is their body and they choose if do Anal or not. Some girls choose to not do A+, some choose to do A+, again is their choise.

Then you can try to draw other execuses, but would not change the speech. If you feel bad to go in a PSE shop and fuck girls in the ass for 1500 baht you can always give them 500-1000 or more baht for tip.
If i have to pay more for A+ i want also a more good quality of girls. Is no sense to pay more for the same low quality and old girls.[/QUOTE]Yes some girls don't like it and they would rather forego business than do it for free (no additional charge). For extra money, just a few of the borderline ones might change their mind.

Pay me a million Baht, and I might take one up there myself. LOL Just to illustrate everyone has their price. Pay the girl enough and she will surely do it. For just 500, only a few might change their mind.

Indeed I think making the girl suffer, is worthy of a tip. A buddy of mine told me proudly, he had paid the girl a premium to fuck her ass, and so to make sure he got his money's worth, he claimed to have fucked her ass for almost 60 minutes.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977538]
Pay me a million Baht, and I might take one up there myself. LOL Just to illustrate everyone has their price. Pay the girl enough and she will surely do it. For just 500, only a few might change their mind.
[/QUOTE]You are right. Everybody has their price, but my price is not 1,000,000 baht, approx $27,800; no way! But for a $1,000,000 US dollars, yes, I would make my cherry ass available for 30 minutes, one shot only, after 7 or 8 Tequilas. Wire transfer payment required in advance. Any takers? 555.

I jest, but this is all based on very sound economic laws of the labor market. In theory, there is no job so hazardous, onerous, or difficult that can't find an adequate supply of labor at the right price. Handling radioactive waste was the example my economics professor used in the classroom. But taking it up the ass is a similar example except that for some, taking it up the ass is a turn on, so I wouldn't expect workers who like it to demand extra compsensation to do it. Thus I always assumed Tulip porno performers, for example, liked it up the asss and that's why they readily included it in their repertoire at no additional cost. An alternative explanation is that the anal girls are less attractive girls facing lower demand than other more attractive girls in the buisness, so they offered this service as a way to attract more customers. In either scenario I don't see why more $$$ should be asked for. This extra pricing phenomenon is not a good thing. Only in the case of a really hot in demand girl could the higher price be somewhat justified economically.

Finally let me add that I am not into shagging girls in the ass even when I am under the impression they want it and are enjoying it becasue I prefer vaginal intercourse. But I would like anal sex even less if I thought that the girl didn't like it either and was doing it only for the extra baht. That would really turn me off.

[QUOTE=*****man;1977461]Snow White is closed for 3 days over the new year so Ninja's clearly not going to come back before then.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know if it's common for the shops to close up around the new year? My stopover happens to fall around that time, and Snow White was on my visit-list. How likely am I to find a locked door at Tulip, Mango, or the other PSE oilies?

Is it appropriate to openly ask mamasan which girls did not have a baby during the lineup?

I don't want to offend the ladies, but also last couple of times the girls had stretch marks, not awful but quite bad, so I'd rather avoid those next time.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1977570]
Finally let me add that I am not into shagging girls in the ass even when I am under the impression they want it and are enjoying it becasue I prefer vaginal intercourse. But I would like anal sex even less if I thought that the girl didn't like it either and was doing it only for the extra baht. That would really turn me off.[/QUOTE]Why do think the A+ girls, with rare exception, are not saying to me, here is my ass, why not plough it? They just go with my activities. If they got turned on, and some do, they could easily make suggestions. Do they think I would be shocked?

Anyway, if you don't like it, the "even less" bit, sounds a bit silly. Most guys that like it, are taking it. I admit to trying about once per year for one reason or another. E. g. Girl had a sore pussy, or curiosity. Last time I achieved it at Mango, not with favorite girl, it was quite difficult, extremely tight fit, and girl appeared to be not enjoying it at all, more like grimacing. I did cum so duration was not too long, just maybe 3 minutes or so, and felt a little sorry that I requested it. A new girl there, so probably not yet that used to relaxing to have something shoved up there.

I remember now, when I enquired if she did anal initially out of curiosity or just being able to report it, that she yes we could try it, but after certain other activities that she wanted to enjoy first. It was like she was going to get her pop by other means, DATY and cowgirl etc. , then tolerate an anal at the end.

I think there are other girls that have been doing anal several times daily and are very well used to it by now, so perhaps it is just normal for them. Nothing to particularly like or dislike.

Anal is like everything else: some like it, some don't. And some come down in the middle. 99 percent of the girls I've had kept a hard lock on their back door. Two lovers were willing to try it out, and we took it slow, lots of lube, and one of the two said it was okay, the other girl said never again. Ja from Bamboo, an A+ listed pro, took me up her tunnel of love with ease and apparently with pleasure, and she is the size of a China doll.

I have a freelancer who keeps a small flat of her own near Nana, we've already gone once for a massage and a shag, and she's now inviting me back and has offered me her ass "if I'm good". I suppose this means gentle, and of course I said "yes ma'am"!

FR on that after New Years.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1977682]Why do think the A+ girls, with rare exception, are not saying to me, here is my ass, why not plough it? They just go with my activities. If they got turned on, and some do, they could easily make suggestions. Do they think I would be shocked?

Anyway, if you don't like it, the "even less" bit, sounds a bit silly. Most guys that like it, are taking it. I admit to trying about once per year for one reason or another. E. g. Girl had a sore pussy, or curiosity. Last time I achieved it at Mango, not with favorite girl, it was quite difficult, extremely tight fit, and girl appeared to be not enjoying it at all, more like grimacing. I did cum so duration was not too long, just maybe 3 minutes or so, and felt a little sorry that I requested it. A new girl there, so probably not yet that used to relaxing to have something shoved up there.

I remember now, when I enquired if she did anal initially out of curiosity or just being able to report it, that she yes we could try it, but after certain other activities that she wanted to enjoy first. It was like she was going to get her pop by other means, DATY and cowgirl etc. , then tolerate an anal at the end.

I think there are other girls that have been doing anal several times daily and are very well used to it by now, so perhaps it is just normal for them. Nothing to particularly like or dislike.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McRib;1977587]Does anyone know if it's common for the shops to close up around the new year? My stopover happens to fall around that time, and Snow White was on my visit-list. How likely am I to find a locked door at Tulip, Mango, or the other PSE oilies?[/QUOTE]I cannot speak to New Year specifically, but I do remember an instance where there was a holiday and most of the shops were closed. However, the Tulip girls who wanted to work went to Sky massage (just down the block) and Sky was open. In fact, on that one occasion I booked a Tulip girl working at Sky temporarily through the mama-san at Snow White. I don't remember how that ended up happening but it did.

So, just because one shop is closed doesn't necessarily mean all are, and it is possible a girl who normally works at one oily might be working at another during the holiday. But again, I haven't tested this around the New Year holiday so don't know if it applies.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977522]More money leads to more girls, and better-looking girls too.

It's just that this kind of thing takes time to happen. It doesn't happen overnight.

First, you start paying more money. The ladies start boasting to each other about how much money they've made. Then this encourages other ladies to join in the fun and have you nail their bum.[/QUOTE]That has not been my experience these past years in BKK. P4 P gals for the most part are not as good looking, provide less, have less than desirable attitudes, and want more.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1977481]The ladies probably also say that that it's a slippery slope, when they do A+ for free. First it's A+ for free. Then guys will want something else for free too. And eventually it will get so bad that it won't be worthwhile for them to do P4P anymore.

You need to recognize that the ladies and guys have opposing interests to some extent. Which requires a compromise, where both sides get a part of what they want. Or else it's no deal.

Sure, it can be a slippery slope either for guys or for ladies, depending on who gets to have their way. But this kind of thing destroys the market. The only way the market can work is when you have a compromise. And 500B for A+ is a very reasonable compromise that does something for both ladies and guys.

The thing that makes A+ different from everything else is that virtually all ladies normally do everything else, but only some ladies do A+. A+ is a special service. It's not like everything else. And that's why it needs to be recognized as separate and different in terms of compensation for the ladies. Or else A+ is not even on the menu, let alone the lady encouraging you to go A+ on her.[/QUOTE]Again Dan, the mantra at the oilies was "all girls do everything" and here's the price. That's the point; nothing else. Don't want to work there; go work in a GoGo. I have said many times that if they had real lookers then I would not mind paying more. They don't. They want to foist the same old gals on us that provide the same service for more money. Want more money? Raise your game. You get more money after you raise your game, not before.

[QUOTE=Dart13;1977640]Is it appropriate to openly ask mamasan which girls did not have a baby during the lineup?

I don't want to offend the ladies, but also last couple of times the girls had stretch marks, not awful but quite bad, so I'd rather avoid those next time.[/QUOTE]Would you accept an elderly, flat-chested midget when you were looking for a tall, young girl with large breasts? Of course not. So why should you accept a girl with stretch marks when you're looking for a baby-free body?

Why would anyone be offended anyway? Leave your little western feminist sensitivities at home. Just go in and say to the mamasan 'I want girl no have baby' and she'll point them out. Don't feel awkward, they've heard it all before.

[QUOTE=*****man;1977718]Would you accept an elderly, flat-chested midget when you were looking for a tall, young girl with large breasts? Of course not. So why should you accept a girl with stretch marks when you're looking for a baby-free body?

Why would anyone be offended anyway? Leave your little western feminist sensitivities at home. Just go in and say to the mamasan 'I want girl no have baby' and she'll point them out. Don't feel awkward, they've heard it all before.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Hell, I have called off a session at an oily when I disrobed a gal and found bad baby drag. I apologize and tell 'them that just won't work for me. Was offered another gal, but seeing that really put me off my game. This is another reason I don't pay up front. Of course now I ask. The mamasans are far more reliable about accurately reporting the shape of the gals than punters. Truth be told I wish it were more like HK where there are almost no mommies working.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977728]Totally agree. Hell, I have called off a session at an oily when I disrobed a gal and found bad baby drag. I apologize and tell 'them that just won't work for me. Was offered another gal, but seeing that really put me off my game. This is another reason I don't pay up front. Of course now I ask. The mamasans are far more reliable about accurately reporting the shape of the gals than punters. Truth be told I wish it were more like HK where there are almost no mommies working.[/QUOTE]At Addict, you pay up front and there is a sign that says it is non-refundable, so anyone concerned about baby damage better ask before making a selection. It is also non-extendable without paying a minimum 1700 bhat fee (for half an hour) so keep to the session duration you selected.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;1977732]At Addict, you pay up front and there is a sign that says it is non-refundable, so anyone concerned about baby damage better ask before making a selection. It is also non-extendable without paying a minimum 1700 bhat fee (for half an hour) so keep to the session duration you selected.[/QUOTE]Dude, I have not had a sesh at Addict in ages. I avoid the place. Lots of bad reports about it on here lately as well.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1977734]Dude, I have not had a sesh at Addict in ages. I avoid the place. Lots of bad reports about it on here lately as well.[/QUOTE]I had four sessions there on my trip this November and December. Two great GFE sessions and two very good ones. YMMV depending on how good you are in selecting the girls and warming them up so it is not just about servicing you.