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[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1580007]Hey guys,

I'm heading to Colombia in August and all I hear about is how beautiful Colombian women are? I been a lot of places, And the best looking girls are Brazilian Women, Are Colombian Women better looking than Brazilian Women, Also How good are they in bed?

Can I expect a GFE Experience or is it just business?

Thanks guys.[/QUOTE]Ahh, you have opened a can of worm my friend! Here is my dos pesos.

If you go to a nightclub or the beach, brazillian women are more varied and better looking. But like the USA, there is a broad range of women, and many are butt ugly. Colombian women are more uniform in appearance, and also very hot. Just not as hot as the brazillian best of the best. That being said, IMHO Colombian putas are better looking than Brazillian putas.

Brazillian women are more "porn star" in the sack, which alot of guys like, and most will do anal without hesitation. Colombian women are slightly more GFE, although some may think differently.

However, these statements are all fine lines and generalities. Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get. I think that your satisfaction will be about the same in both countries, just with a little different "flavor" in each.

That being said, Brazil is a MUCH better general tourist destination. If you have never been to either, go to Brazil first. If you are thinking soon, though, I would wait until the World Cup is over. If you have to go within the next month or two, then go to Colombia.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1580174]Ahh, you have opened a can of worm my friend! Here is my dos pesos.

If you go to a nightclub or the beach, brazillian women are more varied and better looking. But like the USA, there is a broad range of women, and many are butt ugly. Colombian women are more uniform in appearance, and also very hot. Just not as hot as the brazillian best of the best. That being said, IMHO Colombian putas are better looking than Brazillian putas.

Brazillian women are more "porn star" in the sack, which alot of guys like, and most will do anal without hesitation. Colombian women are slightly more GFE, although some may think differently.

However, these statements are all fine lines and generalities. Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get. I think that your satisfaction will be about the same in both countries, just with a little different "flavor" in each.

That being said, Brazil is a MUCH better general tourist destination. If you have never been to either, go to Brazil first. If you are thinking soon, though, I would wait until the World Cup is over. If you have to go within the next month or two, then go to Colombia.[/QUOTE]I generally agree with Manny's assesment.

IMO the Colombian PFP is better looking, however, the Brazillian is better at moving (in bed LOL).
As far as GFE goes; they're equal in my experience.
Really depends on you, and your appearance, demeanor, language skills, charisma, chemestry with the girl, etc.

I've been to both countries a gazillion times and to be honest, I live them both!!

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=VegasJeff;1579838]Bottom Feeder,

You inspired me with your tip reference.

This is my opinion with regards to tipping the casa jefes and my approach.

Upon entering any daytime P4 P establishment you will be asked if you would like a drink and then the girls will be presented. Afterward, you will have the decision to take a girl or not. If you decide not to take a girl, should you leave a tip or not??

I think you should, at least, some of the time. If you are going through a place regularly, and not taking girls, it is nice gesture to buy a drink or leave a small tip. As little as 2 mil ($1) sends a message that you are not cheap and not a sucker also.

As with all things Medellin, it is important to be respectful to the people that you see regularly.[/QUOTE]I agree.

I've made it a point to become 'friendly' with the casa boss or madam, or whoever is running the place.

Common sense really.

Friendliness equals extra time, call ahead selection, generally better vibe, etc.

Cheap Charlies please ignore above. LOL.

Keep on truckin'.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=VegasJeff;1579838]Bottom Feeder,

You inspired me with your tip reference.

This is my opinion with regards to tipping the casa jefes and my approach.

Upon entering any daytime P4 P establishment you will be asked if you would like a drink and then the girls will be presented. Afterward, you will have the decision to take a girl or not. If you decide not to take a girl, should you leave a tip or not??

I think you should, at least, some of the time. If you are going through a place regularly, and not taking girls, it is nice gesture to buy a drink or leave a small tip. As little as 2 mil ($1) sends a message that you are not cheap and not a sucker also.

As with all things Medellin, it is important to be respectful to the people that you see regularly.[/QUOTE]There is an important difference between respectfulness and generosity.

You are right about respectfulness. Colombians are tired of arrogant Gringos with anger management problems.

However, I disagree about tipping. Generosity is interpreted differently in Colombia. Do not tip in any situation where Colombian men do not tip, and do not tip greater amounts than Colombian men tip.

Generosity makes you a sucker in the eyes of Colombians. Colombians do not respect suckers. Colombians do not appreciate generous people. Rather, Colombians take advantage of generous people.

You would be amazed at how minimal generosity on your part will generate the conclusion that you are a sucker on the part of Colombians. If you show some form of generosity to a Colombian once, then be prepared because that person will expect the same generosity every time you interact with them. Later, the expectations for generosity will increase steadily.

Although there are exceptions, the people that manage casas generally do not own the casas. Do not tip the managers when there are no attractive girls. This creates an incentive to not present attractive girls. Colombian men do not tip the managers of casas, and they certainly would not tip the managers for presenting unattractive girls.

There are two key sayings in Colombia that explain the entire culture. Both sayings involve the word "papaya" and every Gringo should have a Colombian explain the sayings to them.

[QUOTE=VegasJeff;1579838]Bottom Feeder,

You inspired me with your tip reference.

This is my opinion with regards to tipping the casa jefes and my approach.

Upon entering any daytime P4 P establishment you will be asked if you would like a drink and then the girls will be presented. Afterward, you will have the decision to take a girl or not. If you decide not to take a girl, should you leave a tip or not??

I think you should, at least, some of the time. If you are going through a place regularly, and not taking girls, it is nice gesture to buy a drink or leave a small tip. As little as 2 mil ($1) sends a message that you are not cheap and not a sucker also.

As with all things Medellin, it is important to be respectful to the people that you see regularly.[/QUOTE]There is an important difference between respectfulness and generosity.

You are right about respectfulness. Colombians are tired of arrogant Gringos with anger management problems.

However, I disagree about tipping. Generosity is interpreted differently in Colombia. Do not tip in any situation where Colombian men do not tip, and do not tip greater amounts than Colombian men tip.

Generosity makes you a sucker in the eyes of Colombians. Colombians do not respect suckers. Colombians do not appreciate generous people. Rather, Colombians take advantage of generous people.

You would be amazed at how minimal generosity on your part will generate the conclusion that you are a sucker on the part of Colombians. If you show some form of generosity to a Colombian once, then be prepared because that person will expect the same generosity every time you interact with them. Later, the expectations for generosity will increase steadily.

Although there are exceptions, the people that manage casas generally do not own the casas. Do not tip the managers when there are no attractive girls. This creates an incentive to not present attractive girls. Colombian men do not tip the managers of casas, and they certainly would not tip the managers for presenting unattractive girls.

There are two key sayings in Colombia that explain the entire culture. Both sayings involve the word "papaya" and every Gringo should have a Colombian explain the sayings to them.

Spot On! Great info that evry newbie gringo to anywhere in Colombia needs to understand!

Thanks,

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=DonSterling;1580329]There is an important difference between respectfulness and generosity.

You are right about respectfulness. Colombians are tired of arrogant Gringos with anger management problems.

However, I disagree about tipping. Generosity is interpreted differently in Colombia. Do not tip in any situation where Colombian men do not tip, and do not tip greater amounts than Colombian men tip.

Generosity makes you a sucker in the eyes of Colombians. Colombians do not respect suckers. Colombians do not appreciate generous people. Rather, Colombians take advantage of generous people.

You would be amazed at how minimal generosity on your part will generate the conclusion that you are a sucker on the part of Colombians. If you show some form of generosity to a Colombian once, then be prepared because that person will expect the same generosity every time you interact with them. Later, the expectations for generosity will increase steadily.

Although there are exceptions, the people that manage casas generally do not own the casas. Do not tip the managers when there are no attractive girls. This creates an incentive to not present attractive girls. Colombian men do not tip the managers of casas, and they certainly would not tip the managers for presenting unattractive girls.

There are two key sayings in Colombia that explain the entire culture. Both sayings involve the word "papaya" and every Gringo should have a Colombian explain the sayings to them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonSterling;1580329] Do not tip in any situation where Colombian men do not tip, and do not tip greater amounts than Colombian men tip.[/QUOTE]In other words, never tip, because I've never seen a Colombian dude tip.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1580432]In other words, never tip, because I've never seen a Colombian dude tip.[/QUOTE]The problem with gringos is they start rationalizing the value of things in their currency instead of the value to Colombians in Colombia. Why upset the cultural norms?

[QUOTE=DonSterling;1580329]There is an important difference between respectfulness and generosity.

However, I disagree about tipping. Generosity is interpreted differently in Colombia. Do not tip in any situation where Colombian men do not tip, and do not tip greater amounts than Colombian men tip.[/QUOTE]I would have agreed with you ten years ago in Colombia but not now. Colombians know that tipping in gringolandia is customary so when a gringo doesn't tip he loses respect because the Colombian knows that you aren't tipping because you think you can get away with it because you are in Colombia, Colombians don't tip but you aren't Colombian and all of the locals sure as hell know it. By the way, standard tip is a whopping 10% in Colombia.

[QUOTE=DonSterling;1580329]
There are two key sayings in Colombia that explain the entire culture. Both sayings involve the word "papaya" and every Gringo should have a Colombian explain the sayings to them.[/QUOTE]The sayings involving "papaya" basically mean to not be an idiot and bring unwanted attention on yourself or be taken advantage of. It doesn't mean never tip, unless that's what you want it to mean, so you don't have to tip LOL.

I tip when I deem appropriate, and I don't tip like a fool. Even a small tip to show appreciation goes a long way.

If someone stands over me with a hand out asking for or expecting a tip, I don't tip.

Everyone appreciates a little extra, rewarding their good service.

I don't condone over-tipping like a fool, but tipping to not only show appreciation but to also set yourself up for even better service when you return.

It works and a lot of it's in the delivery too.

Bottom line, tip if you want, don't if don't want to, it's an individual decision.
Don't be a fool or taken advantage of, and don't flash bling or money.

Good luck!

IMHO the big problem is fear and speculation. Some people are just cheapskates and that will not change. Some of us just have cheapskate moments and maybe that can be reduced if we are more awake to why we are here. For me it's because of the great attitudes that most of the culture seems to possess. I think we fear that tipping in Colombia will eventually become what it is in the USA An obligation! Many times an obligation to pay for poor service. It's worse than Tax.

I am not convinced Medellin must evolve this way and we as a group have something to say about it. Let us realize that we are kind of organized here. Jeje This is a forum read by many! What we write and do has an effect. This is about us. Tipping in Medellin is currently still at your option as long as we stay cool about it.

As has been said, it's in your delivery. If I can't think of something positive, then they probably deserve the tip as much as I deserve to lose the money. I find this true if someone asks me for a tip or not. In other words, they are no better than me and what I do is on impulse and I may or may not look like a cheapskate.

There are some experts on this board who can speak better than I. I hope they will offer an opinion as well. But to me, simple is best. "Thank you. This is for your excellent service. " Or, "No thank you, I only tip for excellent service. " The words "excellent service," can be interchanged with many things like. Being cool, making me feel comfortable, your great attitude. When I keep my language positive it is difficult to feel bad or uncomfortable if I have decided to tip or not.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1580481]I would have agreed with you ten years ago in Colombia but not now. Colombians know that tipping in gringolandia is customary so when a gringo doesn't tip he loses respect because the Colombian knows that you aren't tipping because you think you can get away with it because you are in Colombia, Colombians don't tip but you aren't Colombian and all of the locals sure as hell know it. By the way, standard tip is a whopping 10% in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ricker;1580657]The sayings involving "papaya" basically mean to not be an idiot and bring unwanted attention on yourself or be taken advantage of. It doesn't mean never tip, unless that's what you want it to mean, so you don't have to tip LOL.

I tip when I deem appropriate, and I don't tip like a fool. Even a small tip to show appreciation goes a long way.

If someone stands over me with a hand out asking for or expecting a tip, I don't tip.

Everyone appreciates a little extra, rewarding their good service.

I don't condone over-tipping like a fool, but tipping to not only show appreciation but to also set yourself up for even better service when you return.

It works and a lot of it's in the delivery too.

Bottom line, tip if you want, don't if don't want to, it's an individual decision.
Don't be a fool or taken advantage of, and don't flash bling or money.

Good luck![/QUOTE]The funny thing is most times when you give a really big tip to a hooker she's not going to gush her appreciation for your generosity, no she's going to take it quickly and gesture w / a nod of appreciation. I always thought this odd. I gave this big tip and she barely acknowledges it. As a result I started to force myself to tip much less and I would get the same or better response.

And then it occurred to me, maybe these ladies thought I made a mistake w / their currency, hence over tip and took the money quickly w / out a fuss. That's what happens sometimes when over tipping, you get zero in return in the form of appreciation. I have learned over time to not over tip.

[QUOTE=Socker;1580738]The funny thing is most times when you give a really big tip to a hooker she's not going to gush her appreciation for your generosity, no she's going to take it quickly and gesture w / a nod of appreciation. I always thought this odd. I gave this big tip and she barely acknowledges it. As a result I started to force myself to tip much less and I would get the same or better response.

And then it occurred to me, maybe these ladies thought I made a mistake w / their currency, hence over tip and took the money quickly w / out a fuss. That's what happens sometimes when over tipping, you get zero in return in the form of appreciation. I have learned over time to not over tip.[/QUOTE]I was going to pass this by, but this topic is sticking around and it irks me.

Tipping is stupid. Tipping is for workers in service related industries, like waitresses, cleaning ladies, and cabbies, who are paid very low wages by their employer and you tip them to supplement them for good or friendly service, for going the extra mile.

In most countries, punting is one of the highest paying jobs per hour around. You may laugh, but its true. Also the price you pay for punting is negotiated. You are paying her directly. Tipping is just giving her more money. Pure and simple. Generous tipping by some members of the community makes the chica respect the negotiated price less. It raises her expectations that you should just give her more and more money for no reason. Then the lack of tipping is considered an insult.

The other poster had it right. Generosity (if you want to call it that) is not the same as tipping. Be a gentleman. Be polite and treat her with discretion. But paradoxically, in the long run, lots of tipping in general makes the girls less happy.

A few years ago I was passing thru the Terminal de Transportes in Cali and saw a middle aged woman had a barbershop nook. So I stopped in and got a $3 haircut. It wasn't anything special just a regular haircut. But as I was paying her, she had that look on her face like she wanted a tip. Being the cheapskate that I am, I didn't tip her. But was a plagued with guilt pangs afterwards as I walked off. Should I have tipped her?

I don't buy the whole, "these girls are making plenty of money as it is," argument against tipping. Unless you're pulling the girl off the street or through Facebook, she's likely getting only 50% of what you are paying. Yeah, it's not a bad per-hour wage but the job isn't exactly a 9-5 gig either. Ask yourself how much you would want to let 10+ nasty fat chicks hump around on you every day.

I don't tip extravagantly or every time but throwing a girl an extra 5 k or 10 k isn't that big of a deal. I don't tip for some huge gush of appreciative emotion afterwards, I tip because I got better service. Build a report with these girls and reward better service and you will see it.