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[QUOTE=Thor93]Fenwicks is a bar on Lockhard Street in Wanchai. It is filled with lots of freelance girls. Basically it is shooting ducks in a barrel. Impossible to miss as long as you have money.
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Last night in HK and I proved myself wrong about it being impossible to miss. It must have been all the guys coming in from some formal affair dressed in kilts. It seems to have upset the balance of things in there.

I met two very nice, very young, very inexperienced filipino girls. One was 18 and it was her very first night. You could see she was shy and the two of them were basically hiding in the corner. I finally got them off on the side and got to talking to them.

It was the usual story you get when you listen. No money back in the philippines. They need to work but hate it. The older one shows me a picture of her baby and starts crying. The younger one is overwhelmed by the whole thing. It was enough to make me feel guilty.

Anyway I tried to talk them into leaving with me, but they were quite content to just wander around and avoid anything serious. The younger one said next time. I watched them repeat the same act with other guys. They were there to work but weren't really into it. I guess they thought if they gave me a good enough sob story I would slip them some money.

It was that kind of night though, I wandered around between Fenwicks, Laguna, and Neptunes, but never found the right girl. I finally gave up at 4:30 and reluctantly headed back to the hotel alone.

Some nights even the best of us can't hit one of the ducks in the barrel.

[QUOTE=Neuromancer]Well, if Joe's suggestion's don't interest you, then you could just ignore them couldn't you? It's not like he called you out for preferring SE Asian women. Seems to me that he was responding to a post by "Gren62", not "HK Dog". And maybe Joe's suggestion's interested some of the other readers on this board.

If you prefer SE Asian women, then why don't you live in a SE Asian country?

Your preferences for SE Asian women just don't interest me.[/QUOTE]


Yes he did. Reread his post. It says the 'premium' is something only foreigners pay which implies it is wrong.

His whole argument makes no sense. Why does he live in HK? Doesn't he know it is alot cheaper to live in Shenzen and commute? That is the same argument he gives for not paying a Thai girl in HK a 'premium' since its cheaper in BKK.

If he doesn't do the same on his housing situation then he is just being hypocritical.

HK Dog,

Has it not occurred to you that SEA Joe (and others) may have reasons to live in HK that are not mongering related? It may be because of family, business/job, safety, whatever. Mongering is only a hobby.


[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Yes he did. Reread his post. It says the 'premium' is something only foreigners pay which implies it is wrong.

His whole argument makes no sense. Why does he live in HK? Doesn't he know it is alot cheaper to live in Shenzen and commute? That is the same argument he gives for not paying a Thai girl in HK a 'premium' since its cheaper in BKK.

If he doesn't do the same on his housing situation then he is just being hypocritical.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Yes he did. Reread his post. It says the 'premium' is something only foreigners pay which implies it is wrong.

His whole argument makes no sense. Why does he live in HK? Doesn't he know it is alot cheaper to live in Shenzen and commute? That is the same argument he gives for not paying a Thai girl in HK a 'premium' since its cheaper in BKK.

If he doesn't do the same on his housing situation then he is just being hypocritical.[/QUOTE]

I do not understnad why you are arguing with SE Asia Joe. Maybe he wants or needs to live in HK for business or family reasons. Like many HK residents, he goes to CP for short visits. He has the best of many worlds. He liveis in bustling HK and takes a train or van to CP whenever he wants.

He is right. Wanchai is not the local Chinese

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Yes he did. Reread his post. It says the 'premium' is something only foreigners pay which implies it is wrong.

His whole argument makes no sense. Why does he live in HK? Doesn't he know it is alot cheaper to live in Shenzen and commute? That is the same argument he gives for not paying a Thai girl in HK a 'premium' since its cheaper in BKK.

If he doesn't do the same on his housing situation then he is just being hypocritical.[/QUOTE]Re-reading his post, he said "especially if one has to pay such an extra premium which the Foreigners seems to not mind paying". That's a far cry from saying that "only foreigners pay" and that it is "wrong". I (and I assume many other Asians) pay a hefty premium in Macau (relative to 141 girls) and I don't see anything wrong with it as I view it as a much higher quality product.

Don't be so sensitive dude.

SEJ, I don't know Chang Ping. Can you elaborate a bit please.

[QUOTE=Joe Banana]SEJ, I don't know Chang Ping. Can you elaborate a bit please.[/QUOTE]Check the China-Dongguan thread. Tons of info on Chang Ping. Seems like there have been alot of crackdowns lately, so probably not the best time to go right now.

Basically, CP has alot of cheap pussy and also some higher end ones. Personally prefer the higher end ones, but don't mind going a little ghetto once in a while.

Have only been to the Dongguan area three times so it's not like I'm an expert or anything, but happy to help if you have any questions.

[QUOTE=Neuromancer]Re-reading his post, he said "especially if one has to pay such an extra premium which the Foreigners seems to not mind paying". That's a far cry from saying that "only foreigners pay" and that it is "wrong". I (and I assume many other Asians) pay a hefty premium in Macau (relative to 141 girls) and I don't see anything wrong with it as I view it as a much higher quality product.

Don't be so sensitive dude.[/QUOTE]


Why is it justified for you to ask me why I don't live in a SE Asian country when I like SE Asian woman? When I asked why SE Asia Joe why he doesn't live in Shenzen or Uganda because the rent is cheaper that apparantly isn't the same argument.

I never complained about the cost of pussy and understand that if you live in HK you have to pay the higher price for pussy and rent because of other factors.



There is NO premium for SE Asian pussy. It shows a total lack of understanding of basic economics that the hookers seem to have figured out but some mongerers are still scratching their heads.

If you were a Thai hooker and you can get a 14 visa to HK, they can figure out the choices.

Fuck 1 guy every day in Thailand for 1,500 Baht netting you 5,300 HKD profit.

Or go to HK where SE Asia Joe thinks they should charge the same price.

So they make 5,300 but then subtract the plane ticket (-2,000) subtract the rent (100 HKD per day , 1,400) subtract food (50 per day 700) which leaves you net 3,200.

For Flippers the costs are even higher since they usually have to pay an 'agent' to get into the country.

Why would someone in their right mind take a 40% paycut? You have to fuck 6 more guys just to make the same money if you stayed in Thailand.

The premium is the fixed costs that must be amortized over time. If I am in HK and I want to fuck a SE Asian chick I have 2 choices. Pay the price in HK or fly down. The cost for 1 fuck when you include plane fare and hotel is far higher than just paying the price in HK. .

Chinese pussy is cheaper since the girls are to fucking up to 10 guys per day. There marginal cost for a fuck goes down dramatically. Thai's and Flippers can't get into the assembly line fuck machine (like 141's etc) so their marginal cost of a fuck remains high.

I have things to do on the weekends in HK and am not willing to fly to Thailand/Phillipines for the weekend every time I want to get laid. So it is far cheaper for me to fuck in HK.

New bar similar Sticky Fingers , Knutsford terrace , Tsim Sha Tsui.

Have fun - but watch out for the Thais.

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Why is it justified for you to ask me why I don't live in a SE Asian country when I like SE Asian woman? When I asked why SE Asia Joe why he doesn't live in Shenzen or Uganda because the rent is cheaper that apparantly isn't the same argument.

I never complained about the cost of pussy and understand that if you live in HK you have to pay the higher price for pussy and rent because of other factors.

There is NO premium for SE Asian pussy. It shows a total lack of understanding of basic economics that the hookers seem to have figured out but some mongerers are still scratching their heads.

If you were a Thai hooker and you can get a 14 visa to HK, they can figure out the choices.

Fuck 1 guy every day in Thailand for 1,500 Baht netting you 5,300 HKD profit.

Or go to HK where SE Asia Joe thinks they should charge the same price.

So they make 5,300 but then subtract the plane ticket (-2,000) subtract the rent (100 HKD per day , 1,400) subtract food (50 per day 700) which leaves you net 3,200.

For Flippers the costs are even higher since they usually have to pay an 'agent' to get into the country.

Why would someone in their right mind take a 40% paycut? You have to fuck 6 more guys just to make the same money if you stayed in Thailand.

The premium is the fixed costs that must be amortized over time. If I am in HK and I want to fuck a SE Asian chick I have 2 choices. Pay the price in HK or fly down. The cost for 1 fuck when you include plane fare and hotel is far higher than just paying the price in HK. .

Chinese pussy is cheaper since the girls are to fucking up to 10 guys per day. There marginal cost for a fuck goes down dramatically. Thai's and Flippers can't get into the assembly line fuck machine (like 141's etc) so their marginal cost of a fuck remains high.

I have things to do on the weekends in HK and am not willing to fly to Thailand/Phillipines for the weekend every time I want to get laid. So it is far cheaper for me to fuck in HK.[/QUOTE]Well, I think that you've completely convoluted the whole argument. I don't see where anybody is disputing your economic case. From my interpretation of previous posts, all Joe said was that:

1) In HK, relative to other options in HK, there is a premium for Flipper p*ssy. There's nothing wrong with this if you prefer Flipper p*ssy. There are numerous examples of mongerers paying a premium to get what they want. Think about all the Chinese running to KTVs. The premium there is much higher than the Flipper premium. And I fully admit that I'm happy to pay that premium because I get a different product. One that I am willing to pay for. Of course, I you can't have filet mignon every day. Gotta mix it in with the fast food burgers.

2) Wan Chai is not for Chinese. I've only been to the WG bars a couple times. If I go there, I usually prefer the cheap drinking holes. But of the times I've been there, the ratio of Chinese men to White men is what. 1: 9? Something like that? So CLEARLY, Chinese men do NOT like Wan Chai. As a Chinese man, I DO NOT like Wan Chai action. Hey, no problem. I'm sure most white dudes DO NOT KTV. It's not a statement of what is "better". It's just a simple observation.

Ok, I'm done wasting my time on you.

[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Why is it justified for you to ask me why I don't live in a SE Asian country when I like SE Asian woman? When I asked why SE Asia Joe why he doesn't live in Shenzen or Uganda because the rent is cheaper that apparantly isn't the same argument.

I never complained about the cost of pussy and understand that if you live in HK you have to pay the higher price for pussy and rent because of other factors.



There is NO premium for SE Asian pussy. It shows a total lack of understanding of basic economics that the hookers seem to have figured out but some mongerers are still scratching their heads.

If you were a Thai hooker and you can get a 14 visa to HK, they can figure out the choices.

Fuck 1 guy every day in Thailand for 1,500 Baht netting you 5,300 HKD profit.

Or go to HK where SE Asia Joe thinks they should charge the same price.

So they make 5,300 but then subtract the plane ticket (-2,000) subtract the rent (100 HKD per day , 1,400) subtract food (50 per day 700) which leaves you net 3,200.

For Flippers the costs are even higher since they usually have to pay an 'agent' to get into the country.

Why would someone in their right mind take a 40% paycut? You have to fuck 6 more guys just to make the same money if you stayed in Thailand.

The premium is the fixed costs that must be amortized over time. If I am in HK and I want to fuck a SE Asian chick I have 2 choices. Pay the price in HK or fly down. The cost for 1 fuck when you include plane fare and hotel is far higher than just paying the price in HK. .

Chinese pussy is cheaper since the girls are to fucking up to 10 guys per day. There marginal cost for a fuck goes down dramatically. Thai's and Flippers can't get into the assembly line fuck machine (like 141's etc) so their marginal cost of a fuck remains high.

I have things to do on the weekends in HK and am not willing to fly to Thailand/Phillipines for the weekend every time I want to get laid. So it is far cheaper for me to fuck in HK.[/QUOTE]


Everything you said is true. Thais and Viet girls are more expensive in HK or Macau than in Thailand or Vietnam One has to pay the shipping costs. SEA Joe is correct when he says that local Chinese men do not want to pay the shipping costs and do not really appreciate SE Asian girls.

After reading a lot of different and very useful posts here about the 141 girls, I finally did the Hotel Reservation route. Saw a really nice looking Chinese, non-english speaking girl. Called the number, they told me to get to the hotel in half an hour.

The hotel was probably a 2-3 star hotel with an english name. Lots of tourists there, so I felt very safe and comfortable.

Called again from the lobby of the designated hotel and got the room number. Went upstairs and got greeted by the girl who was every bit as good as her picture. The room while small, was clean.

All in all, very good value for the money. She could not speak any english, but that was no problem. I did bring my own condom which was a good thing. Hers looked awfully small. The session was really good though as she appeared to really get into it also.

The trick in setting this up for us non-Chinese speakers is to make sure you find someone on the phone that speaks decent english to guide you to the hotel. The first number I called, I could not understand what hotel they were directing me to. They offered to talk to the taxi driver, but I was not comfortable with that. Called another number and had no difficulty understanding them. Found out I could actually walk to the hotel rather than have to take a cab.

dear mate,

as i still have 1 plance ticket to hk whihc is soon to be expired. i wish i can visit macau and evetually to hsia chuan tao.

i need your guidance on the following questions;

1) i will only enroute to macau thru hk airport, i understand their is the speed boat but i don't. know how much it cost and how frequent the schedule/ per 30 mins or per hours in every hours? and how many mins for the journey?

2) when i get to macau, how can i get to the next and final destionation of my trip which is hsia chuan tao "下川島". i understand there are busses from macau to that place but i want to know if i can take speed boat to the said island, since i was there only 1 times and last time was accompanied by some friends, which i wont be asking their giudance for some reason.

i wish to visit that place this coming march after the chinese new years and i need to start workinjg on the plan very soon.

will appreiciate for your guidance.

cheers,


md

[quote=macho dik]--cut--

1) i will only enroute to macau thru hk airport, i understand their is the speed boat but i don't. know how much it cost and how frequent the schedule/ per 30 mins or per hours in every hours? and how many mins for the journey?

2) when i get to macau, how can i get to the next and final destionation of my trip which is hsia chuan tao "???". i understand there are busses from macau to that place but i want to know if i can take speed boat to the said island, since i was there only 1 times and last time was accompanied by some friends, which i wont be asking their giudance for some reason.[/quote]

i assume you know how to get to the ferry desk in the airport. at that desk, last i saw about 3 weeks ago, there were ferries starting around 10:40 am until 10 pm, every 1-2 hours depending on time of day (ie less frequent early and late, more frequent middle of day). the cost was less than hkd 200, don't recall exactly. reminder that if you have check in luggage, you usually cannot catch the very next ferry, but rather one that has at least an hour wait time. no luggage = immediate departure. there is a line to get through the gates, bus ride, other terminal entry, etc. this boat takes just under an hour, but still the most convenient imho.

if you arrive at some odd hour (read 11pm - 6am), just get to either kowloon or central macau ferry terminal and catch one of the 24 hour ferries (about hkd 150 plus cost of getting to the terminal). there are cabs (about hkd 300-400), train (airport express, about hkd 90), bus (a11, about hkd 40, another cost of 40 minutes).

last few details: the bus and cab gets you directly to the macau terminal, the train is far and must be walked or cabbed. the ferries are no longer as empty as they used to be, and during weekends, may require waiting for the next boat. the time cost when added up is quite high, take the boat if you can, otherwise cab it to the terminals.

in return for this info, what is hsia chuan tao? please tell us more about it... a new mongering site?

[QUOTE=Manfest]In return for this info, what is HSIA CHUAN TAO? Please tell us more about it... a new mongering site?[/QUOTE]


MachoDik,
It seems you've asked numerous times how to get to Macau or Hsia Chuan Tao, but provided no information about it. Tiger888 seemed to answer your questions already a few months ago... Your serial requests for help without contributing is not the purpose of the board. Nevertheless, I'll leave the info as it may help others. Cheers.
M