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Hi I will be going to Jakarta next week.

Would like some advise on hotel Grand Melia, is it close to all the actions?

Does it has any pick-up bar attached ?

Since my business associate has booked Grand Melia, or else i would have asked him to go for Mulia hotel (and CJ) since I really had a good time the last time there.

Jag

[QUOTE=Jkt After Dark 2]Mighty Spearsman,

..... Delila are Arab pick-up bars. ....Most of the girls too chubby for my standard, ...

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I have been 2 or 3 times to Delilah with a friend and though it is true that the atmosphere, music and crowd are predominently of arab origin, I do not think that the girls were particularly more chubby than elesewhere. What put me off was more the high ratio men/girls.

In fact the last time I went there just to check it out, I saw a stunner who unfortunately didn't show any particular interest in me ... I have learnt to stay away from broads who don't look at you in a welcoming way ...

It may be worth a look if you can spare the time.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Jaggerman]Hi I will be going to Jakarta next week.

Would like some advise on hotel Grand Melia, is it close to all the actions?

Does it has any pick-up bar attached ?

Since my business associate has booked Grand Melia, or else i would have asked him to go for Mulia hotel (and CJ) since I really had a good time the last time there.

Jag[/QUOTE]


Mulia is far better than Melia for fun. Melia does not have a decent pick up night spot like Mulia has. However, it's not far from action. You will be right around the corner from Park Lane hotel which has Stix bar. You are also close to Delta massage at Gatot sabroto and Fortune massage on Casablanca. You can get to any of the 5 star hotel discos or Blok M or even Mangga Besar very quickly from the Melia since it's centrally located. If you have a choice though, go with the Mulia - not Melia. The Mulia is a nicer hotel in every way.

[QUOTE=Knight 1001]I have been 2 or 3 times to Delilah with a friend and though it is true that the atmosphere, music and crowd are predominently of arab origin, I do not think that the girls were particularly more chubby than elesewhere. What put me off was more the high ratio men/girls.

In fact the last time I went there just to check it out, I saw a stunner who unfortunately didn't show any particular interest in me ... I have learnt to stay away from broads who don't look at you in a welcoming way ...

It may be worth a look if you can spare the time.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

I think Deliela is a place the members of this board should start frequenting. It's actually a pretty nice place and has girls who MUST be there every night since they are paid to be there. I think the popular girls there are the fatter ones because the arabs and indians seem to prefer that. But there are other girls who are not so fat and are fairly nice as well.

It's on Gatot Sabroto. When you pass Planet Hollywood, it's not too much further down on the left. I forget the name of the building it's in, but it normally has many taxis waiting by the road.

Its in Gedung Patra Jasa. If you go through some of my old posts you will find quite a few reports from there. The reason I stopped going there is also mentioned in my report. To repeat it again, one of the girls was HIV positive and died of AIDS. this was shocking to me and from then on I stopped venturing out there.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Smoothy]I think Deliela is a place the members of this board should start frequenting. It's actually a pretty nice place and has girls who MUST be there every night since they are paid to be there. I think the popular girls there are the fatter ones because the arabs and indians seem to prefer that. But there are other girls who are not so fat and are fairly nice as well.

It's on Gatot Sabroto. When you pass Planet Hollywood, it's not too much further down on the left. I forget the name of the building it's in, but it normally has many taxis waiting by the road.[/QUOTE]

Are you a LE. Your too new here. In any case RTFF.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Jak Azzbro]I was feeling horny today, and decided to check out this one Cat-house across GAJAMADA mall. The onlookers told me that all Cat-houses are being Sweeped? And business is closed for the time being. I was going to try Hotel Travel. But its probably close too. Any help would be great. Happy Mongering.

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[QUOTE=John Aldrich]Its in Gedung Patra Jasa. If you go through some of my old posts you will find quite a few reports from there. The reason I stopped going there is also mentioned in my report. To repeat it again, one of the girls was HIV positive and died of AIDS. this was shocking to me and from then on I stopped venturing out there.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

I also know a girl from Blok M who died of Aids and a girl from Bats\CJ's\Tiga puluh who died of Aids. That doesn't mean all the girls have it.

[QUOTE=Smoothy]I also know a girl from Blok M who died of Aids and a girl from Bats\CJ's\Tiga puluh who died of Aids. That doesn't mean all the girls have it.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely right mate. But there one too many here and I had mated these girls. Fortunately, had used condoms. And when I got to know that the one with whom I had mated died of AIDS, it has a psychological barier in oneself to venture out in that particular joint. Though am aware, that all the joints are not fool proof. Nevertheless, its better to go covered, even with those whom we find in dating sites.And as of me not venturing into Deleila, is just a psychological barrier, since the girl who died was regular with me and it shook me.

Cheers

A few years ago when I first moved to Indonesia I worked on a Bugis pinisi as divemaster.

To get to the boat's home port, Bira in South Sulawesi, I had to transit Makassar fairly frequently.

I met an Australian nurse there who was doing a study on HIV infection among the port city's many prostitutes, a joint World Health Organisation/Indonesian Government initiative.

Her results over a 12 month period showed that over 60% of working girls they managed to test were either HIV positive or had full blown AIDS.

The results were suppressed by the Indonesian government on the grounds that they would result in "unnecessary public worry."

Subsequently, in Bali, I've been involved with a group that supports young Indonesian heroin addicts to get clean.

Over 90% of them are HIV positive, both men and women.

A recent study here in Bali concluded that 10% of prostitutes were HIV positive, a figure widely regarded as very much on the low side.

This may not be news to those who've lived here for a while and either take the risk or take precautions, but visitors who think that somehow the HIV thing is less of a problem than anywhere else should take note.

Lama di Bali,

"just so you know about Indo's HIV infection rates".. Kamu tenang aja. Take it easy.. why scare people? the media is doing that enough for us, the numbers are flying off the newspapers and you can wonder how much is true what they write in there.

It will be very interesting to read the recent study in Bali you mention and if you have any evidence of the results of the nurse you can share, you'll find in me one very happy reader. Funny thing is, the media always throws numbers at us, but whilst doing so, they never quote their source, how they've obtained their information, what evidence is there. Hope you don't mind me saying this, but same thing here... a nurse in Makassar, a study in Bali, but no supporting evidence.

I could point you to a report, linked here in the forum, where scientists conducted a study amongst 1800 Indonesian prostitutes, in the late nineties, often regarded as a peak in the worldwide HIV epidemic, and zero HIV infections were found - a few snippets from this report "We did not find any sex workers with HIV infection." and "low use of condoms".. Now that's way back, but that still doesn't add up to an allegedly 60%. ..Obviously I'm not saying to relax any prevention, but to unnecessary worry people... that's a different story. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Jkt After Dark 2]Mighty Spearsman,

I think Tom II picked the info here and there. Hotel Menteng II Three Hourse and Patra Jasa Delila are Arab pick-up bars. The same pick-up concept with Jl. Falatehan bars; but the crowd, the music, and the atmosphere are designed for the Arabs.

Most of the girls too chubby for my standard, I don't know for you.

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Hehehe... I was there before. Girls not too bad but the smell.......

The "official" stats on HIV/AIDS are on unaids.org. Free for everybody to read.
If I remember correctly, the HIV rate in Indonesia was almost nil until the late nineties but has recently caught up. But I believe the numbers are nowhere near 90% for drug users and/or prostitutes. So, if you have some Refs Lama di Bali, I'd be interested as well. Even if the numbers are considerably lower than 90% there's still good reason to cover up in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Jak Azzbro]I was feeling horny today, and decided to check out this one Cat-house across GAJAMADA mall. The onlookers told me that all Cat-houses are being Sweeped? And business is closed for the time being. I was going to try Hotel Travel. But its probably close too. Any help would be great. Happy Mongering.

Jak[/QUOTE]
John Aldrich is right - your post is very suspicious, and tells us nothing.

What was the name of the "one Cat-house across GAJAMADA mall" that you checked out? If you truly had learned that it was "being sweeped, and business is closed for the time being" then you would be helping all of us by providing us with the name of that place.

And if you were going to try Hotel Travel, then why didn't you just hop in a taxi and check it out for yourself, then report here on what you found? You were probably no more than 5 minutes away by taxi from Hotel Travel; if it were open, you would have had a nice session, if it were closed, you could have shared that information with all of us here.

If you want to receive info, you need to provide some info in return as well.

[QUOTE=Lama Di Bali]Her results over a 12 month period showed that over 60% of working girls they managed to test were either HIV positive or had full blown AIDS.

A recent study here in Bali concluded that 10% of prostitutes were HIV positive, a figure widely regarded as very much on the low side.
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According to UNaids:

Number of people living with HIV 170 000 [100 000 – 290 000]
Adults aged 15 to 49 HIV prevalence rate 0.1 [0.1 – 0.2]%
Adults aged 15 and up living with HIV 170 000 [100 000 – 290 000]
Women aged 15 and up living with HIV 29 000 [15 000 – 52 000]

These figures don't gel with what you are saying at all. I would expect the prevalence to be higher in sex workers, but I can't be arsed to look any further.

Tiga Puluh (hotel Meridien) has a ladie's night on Tuesday. Only open until 2 a.m. though. Not many people present but the ratio was 2 girls to each male. The band was less noxious than Bat's'. In between band appearances, "Stadium music" (good, vibrating music!) was played. Some of the girls went wild and danced on the tables. A pity the ladies's night doesn't last until 4, but then surely the cops would be waiting outside like they do outside Stadium and other such places.

Business as usual at Bat's. If the cops raided places for bad music and not for drugs they would have to raid Bat's every day. I proposed 500k to an average-looking girl at around 11. She accepted, then declined when I made for the door, saying 500k was not enough. We exchanged numbers before I left for my room. At 1 she called me on my mobile phone (I was staying at Shangri-La). I let the ringing die down, then sent her a sms in idiomatic inondesian to say that sorry, I was with a girl right now. That was untrue, I just wanted to sleep. That girl had overplayed her hand.

Hotel Paripurna (Hayam Wuruk) is no more. A pity. I feel places like that (low-end of the market) are getting rarer, while more upmarket places like Malibro, Sumo etc. are increasing in number. I like seedier places, not for the low rates but because there's no fuss (no obligation to sit down or drink, no mamasans pinning you down and introducing the girls you precisely don't want etc.).

FM1 is a upmarket place near Taman Angrekk, with differently priced categories of girls. I can understand why Chinese girls are expensive, they need to be smuggled first from China. But I often fail to fathom what justifies the price difference between the two clusters of Indo girls (one at 500k and one at 350k). For instance I picked a 350k girls called Rista (from Tegal, a town near Semarang). Not only was she rather tall, white-skinned and had Chinese blood, but she was one of the most accomplished lovers I ever had in JKT. Her blow-job was perfect and she could milk the cock with her contractile **** while she was on top, a very rare talent. She would insist on a condom or coitus interruptus though.

I learnt cops can make serious trouble if you are in a taxi with a girl who can't show an ID with a birth-date that goes back long enough. What matters is what the ID says, not what the girl looks like. It may be why mamasans insist on bringing the girl to your room from places like Stadium. It's safer for everybody. Apparently places like Kota Indah and Tiara Ciara get raided because of age issues, not just for drugs.

Condomism is making inroads in JKT. The campaigns are still low-key but they seem to have picked up momentum. If they reach the intensity of the narkoba-narakoba campaigns, that'll be it. Countries with the highest condom-usage like Brazil are also the countries with the highest incidence of HIV. Surely, it should be clear by now that condoms are a major cause of AIDS.