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HK was very crowded Friday Saturday night. I thought the place seemed dead last weekend but maybe it had to do with other things or I went to early. Tonight, Saturday, everything was packed. Hong Kong, Tropical, Adelitas. Adelitas was so crowded I could not get seat and left after 10 minutes without buying a drink. I haven't been finding any good girls to buy drinks for, may be time I take a break from going.
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2637101]Yeah it has been a wild roller coaster, but the past 2 months have been the highest of highs and lowest of lows. It is misunderstanding on both parts. They are impoverished and need money for various family issues and we are thinking it is all about the money which offends the ones with a genuine connection. I feel bad for the guys that don't have self control, but then again, they may have a boatload of money. I know the ex HK bargirl I'm dating said one guy from New York paid her $100 for the 30 min. And then an additional $500 for a TLN, but he couldn't perform and was embarrassed so he let her leave.
I can relate to your comment that it is just business to them and weird for some of us johns how they can't have any kind of emotional connection. Also kind of strange dilemma when you hear their stories and how they fleece other guys of their money like charging for more time, etc. It tints the lens in which you may view the lady your seeing as sometimes you may question why me and why her.[/QUOTE]KB, I wouldn't try to second guess your girl and all she has done to dumb guys. I would think of it in this matter. All the workers in the Zona know that most guys show up with a certain amount of money to spend and they figure that if it isn't spent on me it will be spent on someone else. Besides most guys are to drunk or just plain stupid to realize it. Remember in "The Wolf of Wall Street" he talks about taking peoples money because he will spend it better. If a guy is willing to pay for $500 TLN and can't perform why should she offer him a discount? She did her job and the guy isn't going to be on the streets because of it.
You said before that she has been on her own basically since the age of 17 so she does what she has to in order to survive and get what she wants. Now you often think about what makes you different and is she doing the same to you. Well you will never really know and screw up a possible good thing by overthinking it or just go with the flow and be smart enough not to invest your life savings so if it goes south you only lost some money that you would if spent on some other girls and gambling.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2637150]Amen. If only I had a dollar for every idiot who cited a ficha quota. Not saying I'd be rich but tacos for a week would be a given. Notice how the poster who started all this nonsense has gone silent.[/QUOTE]Dude,
I am a relative noob, just trying to figure out some tactics to negotiate lower rates for longer sessions with the girls. Searched the forum, didn't find any old threads so I asked the question. Relax.
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2637103]It was for flights, hotel, entertainment, water parks, rental car, etc. She only wanted a pair of Ray Ban sunglasses ($250).[/QUOTE]To be honest, you probably only spent a bit more than had you gone by yourself. I invited a civvie FWB lady friend of mine from GDL to Puerto Vallarta and the additional cost of bringing her along was just a $150 plane ticket, and meals, booze & extras for 1 more person. We were there 5 days, and I think it cost me a total of $500 extra for the whole trip.
As long as you're not covering a day rate, there's a clear expectation that you expect to get laid, and you've taken an HK girl out for a couple of days to Rosarito or Ensenada and see what she's like on a mini-vacation, it's usually a pretty good deal. The ones that are going to be a gigantic money drain and a pain in the ass will show you who they are right away.
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2637103]It was for flights, hotel, entertainment, water parks, rental car, etc. She only wanted a pair of Ray Ban sunglasses ($250).[/QUOTE]If that's the case, you got a hell of a deal.
You would've had to pay for the hotel, rental car regardless. Paying for Flights, entertainment, water parks etc are expected when you invite a woman to travel with you. I thought she charged you $1 k / night on top of all expenses paid for the vacation.
[QUOTE=Sol12;2637236]KB, I wouldn't try to second guess your girl and all she has done to dumb guys. I would think of it in this matter. All the workers in the Zona know that most guys show up with a certain amount of money to spend and they figure that if it isn't spent on me it will be spent on someone else. Besides most guys are to drunk or just plain stupid to realize it. Remember in "The Wolf of Wall Street" he talks about taking peoples money because he will spend it better. If a guy is willing to pay for $500 TLN and can't perform why should she offer him a discount? She did her job and the guy isn't going to be on the streets because of it.
You said before that she has been on her own basically since the age of 17 so she does what she has to in order to survive and get what she wants. Now you often think about what makes you different and is she doing the same to you. Well you will never really know and screw up a possible good thing by overthinking it or just go with the flow and be smart enough not to invest your life savings so if it goes south you only lost some money that you would if spent on some other girls and gambling.[/QUOTE]When I get more time next week, I'll add more about my crazy adventure. Cultural differences, language barrier, meeting family, checking her cell phone, ultimatums, insecurities, age gap, and the list could go on. You are so correct, I just figured out the past few days it is about survival for them since not many opportunities in Mexico.
I think I tried numerous psychological tests to figure out what her true intentions are and I am getting a better grasp of her thinking. What a wild ride, but fun and interesting. I think she has been in many toxic and bad relationships where she lost faith in men and asked me if I was a good man to which I replied yes. Everyone has a different interpretation of what a good man is and I feel I am genuine and honest in regards to whatever she asks me. Some of her friends tell her she is only with the gringo for the money. Big trip coming up for NYE and hopefully she can transfer schools or I might have to visit Sinaloa.
[QUOTE=ClownDays;2637337]To be honest, you probably only spent a bit more than had you gone by yourself. I invited a civvie FWB lady friend of mine from GDL to Puerto Vallarta and the additional cost of bringing her along was just a $150 plane ticket, and meals, booze & extras for 1 more person. We were there 5 days, and I think it cost me a total of $500 extra for the whole trip.
As long as you're not covering a day rate, there's a clear expectation that you expect to get laid, and you've taken an HK girl out for a couple of days to Rosarito or Ensenada and see what she's like on a mini-vacation, it's usually a pretty good deal. The ones that are going to be a gigantic money drain and a pain in the ass will show you who they are right away.[/QUOTE]I've done numerous short trips with her since the summer and she is just like a Thai lady when it comes to compensation and says it is "up to me", which annoys me. She doesn't have children and only a poor family that seem to always run to her for support, but now she isn't working, which is another topic I'll share later when I get time. If they don't get the money from you, then they will figure out a way to get "fast money".
[QUOTE=Federico69;2637302]Dude,
I am a relative noob, just trying to figure out some tactics to negotiate lower rates for longer sessions with the girls. Searched the forum, didn't find any old threads so I asked the question. Relax.[/QUOTE]I was not referring to your. Chillax.
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2637369]I've done numerous short trips with her since the summer and she is just like a Thai lady when it comes to compensation and says it is "up to me", which annoys me. She doesn't have children and only a poor family that seem to always run to her for support, but now she isn't working, which is another topic I'll share later when I get time. If they don't get the money from you, then they will figure out a way to get "fast money".[/QUOTE]Why are you interested in dating a working girl? There's a high probability that they're damaged. I don't think many can work in this field and be unscathed.
[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2637372]I was not referring to your. Chillax.[/QUOTE]Muy bien will do. Should have an interesting report to share after tomorrow night.
Many sayings from Capt Solo and other senior members on this board have helped me a lot on my mongering trips:
1) Crossing into Mexico, why go through the foreigner line? I walk in the Mexican line and never get questioned. Of course I am not a gringo (have been mistaken for Italian).
2) Cultivate relationships with street girls and you will get good service at decent price.
3) If you go to the clubs, stick to your guns on pricing and sooner or later someone will take it. This is especially true on Mon-Thu.
4) In clubs, watch out for attitude and look for chemistry. I don't drink and don't believe in throwing away money on $9 fichas (2 fichas = 1 SG session!) So the chemistry part can be hard for me.
I was there Tuesday last week and had a room at Cascadas, but the street scene is just becoming ridiculous, with SGs asking for 800 pesos for 20 minute session. I think I have been balcklisted by gals ob both sides of the Alley in the area near HK. This is true even for gals on Constitucion to visit Cascadas. My regulars were either without their IDs or couldn't make it, Queens Escort service was non-responsive, and here I am standing with my the! Ck in my hand. Needed to get back to San Diego. I haven't been to HK or Las Chavelas since they merged, so I thought "things are miserable, what else can go wrong let me go in and check this out". I recalled 2 more principles from past posts.
5) 1,000 pesos + tip is a good local rate from pre-covid days. Captain Solo used to preach that a lot.
6) Las Chavelas is is where girls are sent off from HK (to take a break), and girls there more amenable to negotiating.
As I was walking around Las Chavelas, a nice sexy girl with full body and large assets (rank her a 7) comes by and starts rubbing her body against me asking for arriba for $100 for 30 minutes. I counter with 1,000 pesos. She haggles a little and says 1500 and I counter with 1,000+tip and ask for 45 minutes, and she walks away. I do a round, and as I head for the front door to exit she comes running and grabs my hand and says let's go!!
I tip the gown guy 10 pesos and he grumbles a bit -- this $1 tipping and $10 fichas are a little beyond my comprehension. I am cheap!
7) Never pay in advance -- you lose control -- service can go down once the chica has the money and you have no leverage.
In the room, she asked for the money upfront -- she has probably figured I am such a cheap guy I may not honor the 1,000 pesos offer. I show her the money -- and put it in a place where she can see it and tell her depending on her service this will go up. She say don't ever mention this rate to anyone at HK as everyone is being pressured to get $100.
We DFK, she is a masseuse back home and offers a massage. Starting from my back and then turns me around and massages my stomach and legs. Plays with my the! K and offers a BBBJ as an add-on for $25. I counter with $10 and we haggle a bit. I feel her service is pretty good so far, and I won't need any extra assistance so go for the covered BJ (which turned out to be pretty good), so I decline.
8) Always think with the big head. Don't let the little head prevail when it comes to $$.
We have a brief discussion about thinking with the big head vs little head, and we laugh about it. We then try a couple of positions, and I climax with she riding me cowgirl.
We then chat, more kissing and then I help her get off by fingering and kissing her. Throughout her attitude was very warm, sensible and chatty. She alternates between Tijuana and Sinaloa for 2 week periods. I got her number and will check her out after Jan 6 when she is back, lets see if the 1,000 peso price holds! I give her 1,000 + $10 tip + a nice little makeup kit (I carry some gifts with me), and she seems pleased.
Meanwhile, it is back to SGs and Queens -- Queens at 1500 with GFE sounds like a good deal right now. Maybe try this approach again next week!
9) As bad as things may look, we control the $$. Right now economically things are pretty tight and I see lesser gringos visiting, whereas Chicas are abundant. New variant of covid will scare people even more and things will become tighter. Stick to your guns and you will come across someone who hasn't done much business and will bite on a reasonable, or even a little below par offer.
Many thanks to the gurus who post here, the above principles were a great help!
[QUOTE=Urfikhan;2637439]Many thanks to the gurus who post here, the above principles were a great help![/QUOTE]You did well my Padawan.
Wow,
Urgikhan held his line and got a very good deal. Congrats. The bros should keep rejecting ridiculous high prices and bad attitudes, they will find the right girls with sweet sessions. That should also teach the rest of them to lower their expectations and adjust their attitudes or go home hungry.
To hat sounds harsh but I use the negotiations to feel the girls' attitudes. If they treat me with nice, warm, friendly attitude and hot passion in bed, I usually give them propinas way higher than they ask for. You don't want to screw cold, angry, biitchy girls. Would be like wrestling a crocodile.
BTW what's her name? Will be very nice to this good girl.
[QUOTE=Urfikhan;2637439] I think I have been balcklisted by gals ob both sides of the Alley in the area near HK. This is true even for gals on Constitucion to visit Cascadas. M
Stick to your guns and you will come across someone who hasn't done much business and will bite on a reasonable, or even a little below par offer.[/QUOTE]I too have been blacklisted by a few girls. Mostly because I have asked them for prices many times over time and never given them the business.
I used to enjoy the just the practice negotiation in the past.
Now, to avoid blacklisting my new policy is to not ask them their price unless I am willing to immediately give them my business if the price is reasonable.
I too am cheap and agree with stick to your guns on pricing, etc. Prices vary a lot among the gals. There are plenty who will say yes to a reasonable price. Especially on Ave Constitution.
Also, beautiful face usually has a negative correlation with service.
[QUOTE=KoolBeans;2637368]When I get more time next week, I'll add more about my crazy adventure. Cultural differences, language barrier, meeting family, checking her cell phone, ultimatums, insecurities, age gap, and the list could go on. You are so correct, I just figured out the past few days it is about survival for them since not many opportunities in Mexico.
I think I tried numerous psychological tests to figure out what her true intentions are and I am getting a better grasp of her thinking. What a wild ride, but fun and interesting. I think she has been in many toxic and bad relationships where she lost faith in men and asked me if I was a good man to which I replied yes. Everyone has a different interpretation of what a good man is and I feel I am genuine and honest in regards to whatever she asks me. Some of her friends tell her she is only with the gringo for the money. Big trip coming up for NYE and hopefully she can transfer schools or I might have to visit Sinaloa.[/QUOTE]Yeah even being able to speak pretty good Spanish in my case I still have issues with this. Look forward to hearing how things have gone and how the visit with mom went. Sucks that your alone for the holiday but at least you have the trip to look forward to.