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[QUOTE=Tyrion82;1585052]I know I'm a fat and ugly dude. But, could this be a reason why girls are saying they're not available, giving me inflated prices, or stating only one boom boom for all night. I know its up to the ladies who they go with and what to quote, but aren't a lot of the Johns unattractive. Present company excluded of course. So, it shouldn't matter if I'm a little overweight or not classically handsome. But, maybe I'm wrong and my idea of the mongering universe is skewed. Bottom line, does the John's looks determine availability?[/QUOTE]Yes it matters of course. To say otherwise would be dumb.

Here is what I know. In Thailand I have observed many times on Soi Sukimvit, beautiful women with severely handicapped men and men in wheel chairs. When ever they passed I looked closely and I am rarely inebriated and was almost inspired by it, I NEVER EVER saw anything but happiness and loyalty on their faces. It stunned me to be honest and is one of the many reasons I love Thailand so.

Their culture is vastly superior. So if you are finding this an issue in the Phils head to Thailand or focus on older women. The old girls will love you and care for you LONG TIME JOE!

Lucky for me I have blue eyes and they go freaking crazy for blue eyes! And I eat pussy better than any lesbian born! That makes them see past my less than svelte figure!

Thanks MOM!

to hold someone passport is to take away her freedom. this is very obviously [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].

if someone does this shit in the us, he faces up to 12 years per count in prison. the victims are granted temporary asylum if they decide to stay in the us to bear witness at trial.

if the charges stick the victims and their immediate families will be granted us permanent residency. their families will be processed for visas under expedited procedures and flown to the us. travel expenses are arranged as loans from ngos to be repaid.

over 300 labor trafficked victims and their families were given us permanent residency in a case i worked on with justice department under us attorney general janet reno.

it is sick how people can so cruelly take advantage of others under the guise of employment agencies.

[quote=sammon;1585250]is prostitution [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]? i am not talking **** here.

she was told she was hired (very beautiful girl by the way) . they held her passport (i paid for it) and was given a list of things she has to do without explaining her the salary and benefits. she was asked to pay 23,000 pesos for all the paperwork they have to do and her commission. i had no choice but to go to the agency to get the full info.

they said the pay is $200 per month +free transportation and free accommodation. i told them min $400 is necessary because with $200 she cannot support her family. they went and asked the saudi guy but he refused saying maybe after she starts the job. i told the girl to decline the offer and get her passport back.

is this a form of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]?[/quote]

[QUOTE=Tyrion82;1585047]First off, this is my unofficial report as I am in the midst of AC trip. I didn't want to believe all the posts about AC has gone to shit and it seems to be true. Every bar I went to most of the girls pretty average or below. I don't know if it was bad night, but most of the girls were either cherrys, unavailable for whatever reason, or reserved. I must've gone to over 6 bars and stroke out at every single one. I would see some other dudes try to take out girl and the girl would just walk away. If the girls were available its only one boom for the whole night. From some of the stories I've heard is that a lot of the girls make their money off the ladies drink and go out with John's. For me, it was drink after another with girls saying their not available after the fact I bought them a drink. I am incredibly frustrated with Angeles and it letting me down.

Please anyone that deeply loves AC give me at least one recommendation for a bar or place that exemplifies what first time AC adventurers are hoping to experience and more.

P.S. I didn't want to mention this until my actual official report, but avoid the Gecko's bar. Supposedly there was a raid a few weeks back and apparently the place no longer lives up to previous positive reports. YMMV, but it seems the girls and mamasans were just pushing drinks and no take outs. I can't tell you how many pesos I wasted trying to find a bar with "available" girls.

Give me hope ISG forum.[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to not look like an ATM. You need to change your approach. Go in and buy yourself one drink, talk with the waitress, make sure she has been working there for a few months. She will ask you to buy her a drink, ask her if she rather have the drink or a good tip from you. If she says a drink, move on to a new waitress until you have one interested in the tip. Now develop a conversation with her. At some point you can tell her you are having trouble finding who you want. Name the top 3 criteria to her. Have her give you her recommendations. She will know who goes out with who. Have her prequalify the dancer for you. Now you can call her down for a drink or to quickly talk with you. Don't forget to give the waitress a good tip (P100+).

There are a lot of posts about runners, duds and other disappointments. Just remember you will NEVER bat 100%! My average is 3 good of 4. 75% is reasonable. The other night I had a great lay but in the morning she complained her box hurt too much to do it again. I thought she was BS but she up and left without asking for a tip or trike money. I guess she wasn't BS.

Good luck sir.

P.S.: I shop at lollipop.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1585469]Most girls have told me looks did not matter, it was their heart that matter.[/QUOTE]I am assuming you are talking about hookers or older women. And every time I have heard the good heart thing it really has something to do with the man's wallet. Try telling her your heart is good, but your wallet is empty and see how long she stays around.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1585469]If you treat them right you will be fine. Take your time and not buy so many lady drinks. You do not want to appear as a womanizer![/QUOTE]My dad always told me that when you are in a hoarhouse you act like a hoar. Why put on an act for hookers? You are there for sex and they are there for money. No sense in pussyfooting around. That's how guys end up being too embarrassed or scared to back to the same bar and pick up a different girl, because they have filled the first girl with so much bs that the girl expects him to pick her anytime he comes back to the bar and the guys don't want to disappoint the first hooker. I say get in there and tell them you are looking to fuck as many chicks as you can for the time that you are there. What are they going to do, not accept the business?

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1585478]Yes it matters of course. To say otherwise would be dumb.

Here is what I know. In Thailand I have observed many times on Soi Sukimvit, beautiful women with severely handicapped men and men in wheel chairs. When ever they passed I looked closely and I am rarely inebriated and was almost inspired by it, I NEVER EVER saw anything but happiness and loyalty on their faces. It stunned me to be honest and is one of the many reasons I love Thailand so.

Their culture is vastly superior. So if you are finding this an issue in the Phils head to Thailand or focus on older women. The old girls will love you and care for you LONG TIME JOE!

Lucky for me I have blue eyes and they go freaking crazy for blue eyes! And I eat pussy better than any lesbian born! That makes them see past my less than svelte figure!


Thanks MOM![/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip, I may invest in blue contact lens!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1585481]I am assuming you are talking about hookers or older women. And every time I have heard the good heart thing it really has something to do with the man's wallet. Try telling her your heart is good, but your wallet is empty and see how long she stays around.

My dad always told me that when you are in a hoarhouse you act like a hoar. Why put on an act for hookers? You are there for sex and they are there for money. No sense in pussyfooting around. That's how guys end up being too embarrassed or scared to back to the same bar and pick up a different girl, because they have filled the first girl with so much bs that the girl expects him to pick her anytime he comes back to the bar and the guys don't want to disappoint the first hooker. I say get in there and tell them you are looking to fuck as many chicks as you can for the time that you are there. What are they going to do, not accept the business?[/QUOTE]I highly doubt your SOP will work for the intended party.

[quote=sammon;1585250]is prostitution [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]? i am not talking **** here.

in many parts of the world girls are sold to local patrons for money because the family has too many kids and cannot make a living. enter a middleman who promises to get the girl a (job?) and tells the family and the girl she will make lots of money and the family will live well. the girl does this willingly to help support the family. majority of quick money options are only in prostitution. if it is a regular job it will be like slave job with little money and bad living conditions.

i was trying to help a gf from leyte to find a off shore job. i flew her to manila and took her to couple of recruiting agencies on mabini avenue. she was asked to fill out forms and they told her she is in luck because the boss has come from saudi and interviewing people. (i did not go with her inside because i did not want them to think i was a sponsor thereby hurting her chances).

she was told she was hired (very beautiful girl by the way) . they held her passport (i paid for it) and was given a list of things she has to do without explaining her the salary and benefits. she was asked to pay 23,000 pesos for all the paperwork they have to do and her commission. i had no choice but to go to the agency to get the full info.

they said the pay is $200 per month +free transportation and free accommodation. i told them min $400 is necessary because with $200 she cannot support her family. they went and asked the saudi guy but he refused saying maybe after she starts the job. i told the girl to decline the offer and get her passport back.

is this a form of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]?[/quote]this is so typical, pinoy fucking pinoy! those fucks should be punished! it happens here also, they would eat their dead some of them.

i was in this business and tried to help. its sad, i know a nice lady working for a good saudi family that is treated well. the chinese treat them the worst, and the chinese culture is worse than the phils.

at least at home their safe and have us!

pp.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1585233]Just a follow-up to PJ's informative post.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] is a REAL problem and it's not confined to girls and women.

I personally know a Filipino (guy) who, along with 5 of his compadres, was recruited to work in Laos on an (apparently) legitimate building site.

On arrival they were put into a van, passports taken (excuse was to process visas) and they were taken miles into a north-western province, locked in a tin shed, fed scraps and made to work as slaves on a timber harvesting operation. One of the guys escaped after 3 weeks of hell and managed to notify authorities and the group was rescued and returned to Philippines.

It is a world-wide problem and there are some very real and disgusting cases; there are probably others, including bar raids in AC and elsewhere, that might seem suspicious or problematic.[/QUOTE]I agree it is a real problem and IMO the problem starts with poverty. Lots of stories, just like the Filipino guy in your post, it sounded too good to be true and being poor makes them jump on it for a chance to make big money.

There are wide ranging opinions here. I personally have never treated a hooker like a hooker with rare exceptions that always involved them getting to drunk. No one deserves to be treated poorly unless they earned it. And we men of substance should show leadership here. I gurantee you if saw one of us hurting a hooker I would step in and hurt them back. I have had wonderful relations with professional gals and have had actual friendships.

I am always polite, respectful and cute, knowing I am going to get laid frankly puts me in a good mood.

Pinays love to flirt, love to play, joke tease they are like horny children and are mostly that simple, tease them make them laugh and make them wet. They are a joy to fuck mostly and they love to kiss and get eaten, I live by the rule what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bring a gift a chocolate bar, one of my best moves is to buy food and share, they are always fucking starving. Feed them and the party starts!

It usually goes bad 1 in 6 or 7 when the woman simply lies or simply is not into it then I give them 500 pesos and a map to the door. NEVER PAY FOR BAD SERVICE.

As far as I am concerned raising the bar usually get better results. So be nice. Start with the waitresses as already suggested they HAVE to talk to you and they will teach you spend time with them, make them laugh, a little tip a touch and there you go. If you are a 3 and expect a 9 then expect to pay 10 we all have our price but I prefer them to ENJOY my company.

Flirt joke and play, pretend its the best first date because you know you are going to get laid. Learn to fuck, like my FB said the other day Women don't mind us watching porn IF WE LEARN from it!

Smokers I can't imagine why anyone would fuck you unless they are a smoker, Hygiene is of course important and be realistic in your expectations. If you stink and pinays RARELY do what can you expect? Would you fuck a stinky smoker?

And remember my 2nd golden rule "the 9 rarely fuck like a 9" they simply don't have to, most of you are 2 and done with a 9, the 5 and 6 however they are sporting, kind of like us fat guys! 5 and 6's TRY HARDER like us fat guys!

PP.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1585491]There are wide ranging opinions here. I personally have never treated a hooker like a hooker with rare exceptions that always involved them getting to drunk. No one deserves to be treated poorly unless they earned it. And we men of substance should show leadership here. I gurantee you if saw one of us hurting a hooker I would step in and hurt them back. I have had wonderful relations with professional gals and have had actual friendships.

I am always polite, respectful and cute, knowing I am going to get laid frankly puts me in a good mood.

Pinays love to flirt, love to play, joke tease they are like horny children and are mostly that simple, tease them make them laugh and make them wet. They are a joy to fuck mostly and they love to kiss and get eaten, I live by the rule what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bring a gift a chocolate bar, one of my best moves is to buy food and share, they are always fucking starving. Feed them and the party starts!

It usually goes bad 1 in 6 or 7 when the woman simply lies or simply is not into it then I give them 500 pesos and a map to the door. NEVER PAY FOR BAD SERVICE.

As far as I am concerned raising the bar usually get better results. So be nice. Start with the waitresses as already suggested they HAVE to talk to you and they will teach you spend time with them, make them laugh, a little tip a touch and there you go. If you are a 3 and expect a 9 then expect to pay 10 we all have our price but I prefer them to ENJOY my company.

Flirt joke and play, pretend its the best first date because you know you are going to get laid. Learn to fuck, like my FB said the other day Women don't mind us watching porn IF WE LEARN from it!

Smokers I can't imagine why anyone would fuck you unless they are a smoker, Hygiene is of course important and be realistic in your expectations. If you stink and pinays RARELY do what can you expect? Would you fuck a stinky smoker?

And remember my 2nd golden rule "the 9 rarely fuck like a 9" they simply don't have to, most of you are 2 and done with a 9, the 5 and 6 however they are sporting, kind of like us fat guys! 5 and 6's TRY HARDER like us fat guys!

PP.[/QUOTE]Somebody buy that man a drink. You nailed it. Post of distinction. Thank you ha.

AV.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1585491]TBring a gift a chocolate bar, one of my best moves is to buy food and share, they are always fucking starving. Feed them and the party starts!


Flirt joke and play, pretend its the best first date because you know you are going to get laid. Learn to fuck, like my FB said the other day Women don't mind us watching porn IF WE LEARN from it!

Smokers I can't imagine why anyone would fuck you unless they are a smoker, Hygiene is of course important and be realistic in your expectations. If you stink and pinays RARELY do what can you expect? Would you fuck a stinky smoker?

PP.[/QUOTE]Thankfully I'm a non smoker and expect my girls to be same.

I spend some time chatting to my girls who tend to be free in that they don't expect to be paid for sex, but are happy with money for travelling etc.

I enjoy the banter and the flirting. There are two ladies who I will be seeing on next trip, out of a large group, that are both a little interesting in their own way.

One has asked me not to bring the usual chocolate or knock off perfumes, but instead if I can bring her books that I have read.

She's 19 and says loves to read, and hates pocket books and dull romance shit that's the usual fare in Philippines.

Other is 21, has just had a birthday, and asked not for money or jollibee for the barangay, but can I take shopping to National Book store. Got to love the unusual ones.

Leaving Angeles today to return to the province after a couple of days. I've always taken the Swagman bus back to Manila. Today they threw us in an 11 passenger van. The air con is horrible and the seats are made for 5'5" inch Filipino males. I'm about 6'1" 215 pounds and fortunately have 2 seats but that's still not nearly enough room. If I had somebody sitting in the seat next to me, I would have gotten off of this "bus". I guess the other people on this soon to be hell trip aren't familiar with the relative comfort of the bus. If I'd have known it was going to be this shitty van, I'd have made other arrangements.

Thanks for all the great advice and constructive criticism from everyone. I will try to put all of the great advice into my repatraur or however you spell that. I needed that cause my AC newbness was bringing my experience down.

I loved Thailand and China, but I'm really digging the GFE and routine std checks that bar girls get here in Philippines.

Hey Chris, I'm don't have the PM function as I am a free member. I would love to grab a quick drink and talk shop if you're still interested. Anyone here in AC is welcome to join us if Chris doesn't mine. FYI I'm the chubby azn guy who speaks perfect English. I'm not hard to miss unless you can't tell azns apart.

DG8787, forgive me if I didn't get your handle correctly, I employing your advice ad we speak. I've been buidling a relationship with a waitress / mamasan and she plans to help me tonight. I should tip her too.

I was planning to l leave for subic bay tomorrow, but if the meet up and the mamasan thing works out I may stay longer. Anyone heard of any good things about subic?

Quick question: I love to explore / tour the country doing the day and monger at night. Any touristy stuff in AC or Subic bay worth taking a look?

It seems that the only thing worth doing is mongering in AC. Which is great and all and the whole purpose of my trip, but I would like to add variety to my itinerary.

Once again, thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1585534]Leaving Angeles today to return to the province after a couple of days. I've always taken the Swagman bus back to Manila. Today they threw us in an 11 passenger van. The air con is horrible and the seats are made for 5'5" inch Filipino males. I'm about 6'1" 215 pounds and fortunately have 2 seats but that's still not nearly enough room. If I had somebody sitting in the seat next to me, I would have gotten off of this "bus". I guess the other people on this soon to be hell trip aren't familiar with the relative comfort of the bus. If I'd have known it was going to be this shitty van, I'd have made other arrangements.[/QUOTE]Fly the Victory Liner, m8. At the worst you'll have the same discomfort, but without the anger of being chiseled. :P