Kyiv

Thanks for all contributions. I don't know but I am more in buying side because perfume in Paris is really cheaper than in any other countries. And it is not available in Ukraine so it is normal for a friend to ask for. but the bad possibilities are:

1) she takes the perfume and we have a nice dinner and she goes home. Plus wasted 50 for dinner.

2) when I had arrived in Odessa she has a sick mom or a bad accident and we never meet with her.

3) she takes the perfume we had dinner. Came to my apartment and only gives some hugs and go home after 30 minutes.

Good possibility.

She takes the perfume had a nice dinner with lots of hugs dfks during dinner and she comed to my apt after dinner and we have a good sex till morning. But the question is does it worth to pay about 320 usd cost (perfume and dinner) while it is available for 30 usd a 20 university student?

To hide the perfume in apartment will mean that you tell her she is a wg have sex with me and let me give you perfume. Insulting.

I don't know very hard situation.

Iceberg.

Keep It Simple and Stupid.

I never would spend a 280 $ perfume to a woman I never met. I should say particularly to a Russian or Ukrainian woman / girl (my mongering target).

The best relations (personal and sexual) I had with Russian / Ukrainian women were always the cheapest. With "normal" "average" women.

By bringing such a "gift" to a target you do not know there is a 99 % probability you will fall in the category "weak" which is very negative for you.

Never spoil the opportunity to pay spontaneously for a cheap "gift" whatever it is (coffee, tea (chai), necklace.

I remember the tremendous effects on an Ukrainian guide in Kiev of a "Merci" chocolate box (German) (3 euros) and of a crystal necklace (4,30 euros) in Karlstein (Czech republik) on a Russian tourist!

Hi,

I googled your entry re. Private Tour Agency in Kiev to get a bit of info re. That agency but nothing matching the name you gave came up. I wonder if you were referring to 'Kiev Privat Guides'. This is a fantasy of mine. To get picked up at the airport by a GFE type guide and taken back to my flat for sex. However when I tried booking this agency they said they were only interested in four hour bookings for $50 an hour and that the guides were strictly for just guiding and nothing else. They did say however that they might be able to find me a girl interested in a proper matrimonal relationship and sent me a couple of stunning pics. I did not pursue this. I also note that the pics on this web site are at least five years old with the same girls. I would dearly love to get a bit more info re your experience and the web address of the agency you used to see if it is the same. I would be happy to exchange experiences. I have been going to Kiev for years and have tried all sorts although still of course looking for that perfect shag. Regards.

[QUOTE=Seattle29;1745880]I used an agency called "Private Tour Agency" last month, you can find it on Google. I tried out 2 girls, both outcalls to my hotel. They only have 5 girls and all are real, no bait and switch.

First girl was stunningly beautiful, but very reluctant to offer a GFE experience, didn't want to kiss, very robotic, quite boring really. I gave feedback to the agency and they apologized, giving a discount on my next booking.

The next girl was a complete mess. Her face was pretty as per her photos online, but her body was covered in scars from self-harming, and suspicious track marks (drug abuse?) I was scared to send her back in case the agency had mafia links, so I kept her for 2 hours. Was not attracted to her at all though. She offered anal luckily which was a saving grace, it made the experience slightly less bad.

I wouldn't use this agency again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Slavicgourmet;1746337]Iceberg.

Keep It Simple and Stupid.

I NEVER would spend a 280 $ perfume to a woman I NEVER met. I should say particularly to a russian or ukrainian woman / girl (my mongering target).

The best relations (personnal and sexual) I had with russian / ukrainian women were ALWAYS the cheapest. With "normal" "average" women.

By bringing such a "gift" to a target you do not know there is a 99 % probability you will fall in the category "weak" which is very negative for you.

Never spoil the opportunity to pay spontaneously for a cheap "gift" whatever it is (coffee, tea (chai), necklace.

I remember the tremendous effects on an ukrainian guide in Kiev of a "Merci" chocolate box (german) (3 euros) and of a crystal necklace (4,30 euros) in Karlstein (Czech republik) on a russian tourist![/QUOTE]Very well said. I couldn't agree more!

Stevie,

Thanks much for this wonderful report. I follow Kiev forum regularly and this report has summarized most of everything one can expect from Kiev.

I plan to visit Kiev and walk those legs filled streets. I also plan to open a small branch for my business to give me a more official reason to visit Kiev often.

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1745043]Greetings. I was there in May. Sorry for the delay in reporting. Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative.

SOME ROOKIE MISTAKES.

....

Money is not a substitute for charm.

I plan to be back in September, when the market is flooded by returning students.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I have had a few threesomes, but not enough. During them, there are moments, when you definitely think that moment is the best of your entire life. Just make sure you have taken for a ride at least one of the girls already, and had a great experience.

I just take a couple of thousand in cash. Of course, one has to take precautions. For instance, I "sanitize" my apartment before receiving any girls. Other than what I am planning to pay her, the money is well hidden and inaccessible.

Maybe the ATMs work. I think they do. I used them once. But they screw you with service and exchange charges. I hate giving money to banks. I would rather give it to the girls.

[QUOTE=JGomez90;1745189]Great report Stevie!

I'm going to Kiev on July 19th - 29th and hope to have at least half of a great experience in which you described. When I'm done I'll post a report of my own as well.

Love the detailed report and very surprised you got to meet a couple women together in one setting. I'm 25 and confident I can do the same but haven't attempted that yet.

Question:

Is it better to take money with you or can I just pull from the ATM when I get there. Reading the forum it seems like a lot of members are taking money with them and exchanging it when they get there. Or are they just upset about the international transaction fee?[/QUOTE]

No Russian. Just perseverance and experience.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1745223]Stevie69,

Thanks very much for the extensive and informative report.

Do you speak Russian at all or did you accomplish all this without speaking Russian?[/QUOTE]

In Kiev is the "walk of pride". The problem is the security guys want their cut.

About hotel lobby girls, I have not tried them in many years. I assume the prices are not reasonable.

[QUOTE=DruidFire;1745471]Stevie69,

Thanks a lot for a great report.

Regarding hotels vs apartments, has anyone who has stayed in a hotel had any trouble when bringing a girl up to his room? Is there a big "walk of shame" problem or any hassles with desk staff / security? Also, is there any talent in various hotel bars or lobbies? Obviously they would be way overpriced, but still nice to know they are there. And if it's late and they aren't having any luck they might be ready to be reasonable? Just curious.[/QUOTE]

What type of business? Are you hiring? Temporary 1-month workers?

[QUOTE=Vian07;1746918]Stevie,

Thanks much for this wonderful report. I follow Kiev forum regularly and this report has summarized most of everything one can expect from Kiev.

I plan to visit Kiev and walk those legs filled streets. I also plan to open a small branch for my business to give me a more official reason to visit Kiev often.[/QUOTE]

Stevie69,

One of the best posts I've read on ISG. Informative, intelligent and shows you know the psyche of Kiev women (and I'm sure it applies to most women around the world, to different degrees. Even women in the west). I look forward to reading other reports by you, including your upcoming September trip.

Thanks,

CH

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1745043]Greetings. I was there in May. Sorry for the delay in reporting. Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative ...

... Treat them well and appreciate their beauty.

Money is not a substitute for charm.

I plan to be back in September, when the market is flooded by returning students.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Limarian;1746509]Hi,

I googled your entry re. Private Tour Agency in Kiev to get a bit of info re. That agency but nothing matching the name you gave came up. I wonder if you were referring to 'Kiev Privat Guides'. This is a fantasy of mine. To get picked up at the airport by a GFE type guide and taken back to my flat for sex. However when I tried booking this agency they said they were only interested in four hour bookings for $50 an hour and that the guides were strictly for just guiding and nothing else. They did say however that they might be able to find me a girl interested in a proper matrimonal relationship and sent me a couple of stunning pics. I did not pursue this. I also note that the pics on this web site are at least five years old with the same girls. I would dearly love to get a bit more info re your experience and the web address of the agency you used to see if it is the same. I would be happy to exchange experiences. I have been going to Kiev for years and have tried all sorts although still of course looking for that perfect shag. Regards.[/QUOTE]Website address is: www (dot) private (hyphen) tour (dot) org.

All the girls are genuine (no bait and switch) and they have a very friendly owner who speaks English, so it's easy to arrange a booking. But I just didn't like either of the 2 girls I tried.

I consider myself a relatively experienced monger: I've mongered considerably in Hungary, Ukraine and Belarus. However, even an experienced monger runs into problems or people who are problematic.

Case in point: [URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1394963991?hit=3[/URL].

Be careful of this one, gentleman, as she claims to be looking for a 'man to take care of her' but in reality only looking for you to follow her all over Kyiv, be a human ATM and then abandon you at the end of the night outside of her flat near Troieshchyna without so much as a thank you or polite goodbye. She seems very sweet and lovely at first, but after a drink or two she becomes bitter, contrary and clearly someone who men have wronged by how abnormally distrustful and surprisingly vitriolic she is in regards to them. She told me she recently got out of a long-term relationship where the man was cheating on her at every turn. In my opinion, she has toyed with sponsorship but it never went her way so she's striking back. I've never encountered such a bitter woman before. She seems to really know what she's doing from the onset and no doubt has played more than one man in her past. For example, she has an iPhone 6 Plus (which costs nearly 2000 USD in Kyiv) but cannot afford credits on her phone. Her photos are real and she looks less pretty in person, but still attractive.

You have been warned, gentleman.

I'm talking with her. But I have not met her yet.

Did you had sex with her?

[QUOTE=Gopnik;1748715]I consider myself a relatively experienced monger: I've mongered considerably in Hungary, Ukraine and Belarus. However, even an experienced monger runs into problems or people who are problematic.

Case in point: [URL]http://www.mamba.ru/mb1394963991?hit=3[/URL].

Be careful of this one, gentleman, as she claims to be looking for a 'man to take care of her' but in reality only looking for you to follow her all over Kyiv, be a human ATM and then abandon you at the end of the night outside of her flat near Troieshchyna without so much as a thank you or polite goodbye. She seems very sweet and lovely at first, but after a drink or two she becomes bitter, contrary and clearly someone who men have wronged by how abnormally distrustful and surprisingly vitriolic she is in regards to them. She told me she recently got out of a long-term relationship where the man was cheating on her at every turn. In my opinion, she has toyed with sponsorship but it never went her way so she's striking back. I've never encountered such a bitter woman before. She seems to really know what she's doing from the onset and no doubt has played more than one man in her past. For example, she has an iPhone 6 Plus (which costs nearly 2000 USD in Kyiv) but cannot afford credits on her phone. Her photos are real and she looks less pretty in person, but still attractive.

You have been warned, gentleman.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrFlex;1748798]I'm talking with her. But I have not met her yet.

Did you had sex with her?[/QUOTE]No, as I said in my report: she is all talk. She's only is interested in getting money out of you and nothing else, believe me. Arguably the worst experience I've ever had with a woman in Eastern Europe and I am no newbie.

Gopnik,

Thanks for the heads up.

Your warning brings up a serious problem whenever dealing with the semi-pro "looking for a sponsor" type girl on Mamba. My first trip to Ukraine is in August, and while I have plenty of experience in pay for play, the part-time-girlfriend-for-gifts is a very different animal. I suspect it is very easy to end up being taken advantage of and then dropped like a load of coal. Not sure what precautions to take, what warning signs to look for. I guess with time and experience everyone figures it out and develops his own radar to spot the user types. Looking back at it now, Gopnik, is there anything she said or did while you were with her that might stand out as a red flag? Same for anyone else. I will certainly share my experiences, as I have no doubt it will happen to me at least once.