American Politics

[QUOTE=TheCane;2926288]Is that right? So, I guess it's OK if they go along with a crowd that you like. But if it's a crowd of Democrats, then that's just people who don't think for themselves and are acting like sheep pushing for a one-party system right? You're so full of it you reek bro! And again, millions and millions and millions of Americans are going to vote for Biden and other Democrats all over this land. Trump is going to lose, and then the shit is really going to hit the fan for his shifty, lying, odious, fat ass, loser self! Believe this.[/QUOTE]Pundits live in their own world, the one they created to thrive in. People who're capable of thinking for themselves don't think like them. They know shameless liars will ALWAYS have an edge in any debate. So Biden's performance won't change how people will vote, and they sure as hell won't deliver the Red Menace more votes just because Biden stumbled a few times.

[URL]https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/did-presidential-debate-change-anybodys-mind[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2926288]Is that right? So, I guess it's OK if they go along with a crowd that you like. But if it's a crowd of Democrats, then that's just people who don't think for themselves and are acting like sheep pushing for a one-party system right? You're so full of it you reek bro! And again, millions and millions and millions of Americans are going to vote for Biden and other Democrats all over this land. Trump is going to lose, and then the shit is really going to hit the fan for his shifty, lying, odious, fat ass, loser self! Believe this.[/QUOTE]You're one of the dumasses-- DJT shall Win by such a huge margin-- the election shall not be stealable like in 2020-.

America was cheated and we have had a Shit Stained Senile scumbag Fake president for the last 4 years.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2926288]Is that right? So, I guess it's OK if they go along with a crowd that you like. But if it's a crowd of Democrats, then that's just people who don't think for themselves and are acting like sheep pushing for a one-party system right? You're so full of it you reek bro! And again, millions and millions and millions of Americans are going to vote for Biden and other Democrats all over this land. Trump is going to lose, and then the shit is really going to hit the fan for his shifty, lying, odious, fat ass, loser self! Believe this.[/QUOTE]You're one of the dumasses-- DJT shall Win by such a huge margin-- the election shall not be stealable like in 2020-.

America was cheated and we have had a Shit Stained Senile scumbag Fake president for the last 4 years-- Try to pull your head out of your ass.

Good job, Joe! You answered all the questions! And you only blanked out a coupla times! And you didn't stumble when you left the podium! I guess all that practice memorizing lies really paid off! The dumbocrats are fucked. Well they have always been fucked up but now they are fucked. Have a nice day!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2926288]Trump is going to lose, and then the shit is really going to hit the fan for his shifty, lying, odious, fat ass, loser self! Believe this.[/QUOTE]To quote Jimmy Dore, Trump is a glorified game show host. If you hate someone who is a glorified game show host this much that you actually care about what happens to him when he is not in office, you need to get a life.

I do not hate Biden. Hell, I do not even think he is running the show, but his policies are whacked: clean energy that is not clean and way more expensive, open borders, used to require the ridiculous mandatory Covid testing when entering the USA, adding 80,000 IRS agents, sending hundreds of billions down the drain to Ukraine, not even fucking talking to Putin to end the Ukraine war, completely impotent with Israel and the excessive killing in Gaza, the Afghanistan withdrawal, the billions allocated for energy charging stations and a whopping seven have been built, cancelling debt in exchange for political favor, mouthing off and showing no respect to SCOTUS, mass censorship, weaponizing the DOJ, and worst of all, trying to jail his pollical opposition. Yeah, nothing says saving Democracy like that.

Thing with you douches is you cannot separate Trump from his policies. All you do is call people names.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2926288] And again, millions and millions and millions of Americans are going to vote for Biden and other Democrats all over this land.[/QUOTE]If I were stuck somewhere and Trump pulled up in a car and offered to drive me somewhere, I would hop right in. If Biden did, I would say thank you sir but I am going to wait for an Uber. I am not getting into a car driven by someone with Biden's mental and physical condition and you know what? Neither would you. Oh, you can lie about it but if faced with that reality, you would not do it.

And what does it say about you people voting for Biden that you would put him in control of our nuclear arsenal but you would not let him drive a car? That is how bad your Trump derangement syndrome is. You hate Trump so much you would put someone demented in charge of our nuclear arsenal. You douches brag about how you would vote for someone with advanced dementia ahead of Trump, and that is why you people are fucking nuts.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2926269]I think if they took a poll again, it would be 90% for Trump. People tend to go along with a crowd. I was used to Biden being so out of it so it did not bug me much seeing him. He even made a good point or two, but the media has been showing his gaffes and distorted facial expressions nonstop.

And I do not know what you are talking about with regards to panic and Romney v Obama. Romney and Dole were probably the two worst Republican candidates in 50 years. Any poll putting Romney over Obama had huge flaws, and no one was talking about Obama being replaced or Obama being mentally incompetent.

The thing about the debate and the people who thought Biden won were fools like you. You have been going on with your Thanks, Joe nonsense and not seeing Biden for the bumbling shell of a man that much of the country has now seen with its own eyes. Be.

The most telling question was about mental and physical competence. Trump said he recently won two golf tournaments, and it demonstrates what we all know. Trump still has it mentally and physically. Golf is a challenging mental and physical game.

With Biden, he says he has a 6 handicap in golf. Then a second later, he says he had an 8 handicap when he was vice president after Trump says that was his worst lie of the night. Later on, that night, we see Jill Biden helping Joe down the stairs. That video was not supposed to be shot, and we see her talking to her husband like a kindergartener, "Oh, Joe, you answered all those questions. ".

At this point, anyone who thinks Joe Biden is mentally and physically fit to be president is fucking nuts.

LOL. The Republican media is not reporting anything new. They are doing a round of we told you so. This is a hilarious bit on Gutfield scolding the media for lying about Biden: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy0-atnrWZE[/URL].

What is funny is with the liberal media we are seeing the same thing as we did with Covid. They are playing the "never mind, we never said that" game with Biden's incompetence. Just like they never advocated for school closings, social distancing, or hawking ineffective vaccines, now the deep state has told the media criticizing Biden's mental incompetence is okay. The NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, and Politico have completely flipped their script yet again. The more honest members of the liberal media like Bill Maher have been screaming about Biden's incompetence for months.

MSNBC's Morning Joe was the target in this video showing the hypocrisy of the liberal media but it could have been any of the liberal press. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URo8ntbyQ6o[/URL].

Well, even that is a positive now. That Biden was not charged criminally for having top secret documents in his home does not mean Biden is not a criminal. The reason given to not prosecute Biden was he was not mentally competent to stand trial and anyone who saw the debate knows that to be true.

So no one is voting FOR Biden anymore including you. If you cannot see that you are blind. You are voting against Trump and for a deep state cabal. Biden's body may still be functioning somewhat but his mind is gone.[/QUOTE]That poll was taken of people who had just watched the debate.

I would not say Biden "won" the debate. These debates are television quiz shows that have nothing to do with how a president has a meeting, discusses options, determines policy, makes a decision or anything of the kind. What are the winning points of a televised debate like that? The one who spoke the loudest? Uses the most words? Came up with the funniest pre-written joke and retort?

Absolutely, if we're scoring on truthfulness, Biden won hands down.

Absolutely, if we're scoring on positive policy plans for a 2nd term, Biden won hands down.

I hope most people noticed those two things regardless whether they scored on anything else.

That is all I was looking for. And many others probably feel the same.

Like me, many people already knew about Biden's verbal problems and were not disturbed by him mistakenly switching the word "Medicare" for "Covid" or fumbling phrases here and there or even losing a train of thought mid-sentence, all of which many of us do all time, especially when we are more concerned about how things look and sound in public rather than simply talking out loud.

I have seen debates where people known to be sharp as a tack would stop at precisely the same point at the end of a reply as Biden did that one time and literally say, "I'm sorry. What was the first part of your question"?

And so have you.

But Biden was in a position where he can't even do that perfectly normal thing without pundits and viewers saying "aHA! There it is! Cognitive impairment"!

I know a lot of people will not give Biden the benefit of putting that much thought into it. It remains to be seen which side prevails.

The fact that Biden overcomes any of his verbal or stuttering issues that crop up in big public oratory events and does not exhibit any such problem when reading prepared statements that he has clearly participated in crafting, writing and approving, even doing so better than Trump can, disproves any claim of him being cognitively impaired.

Cognitive Impairment does not vanish just because you are reading your rally speeches on a teleprompter. When Biden does that he does not stutter and fumble nearly as much as Trump does when he does the same thing. And he clearly demonstrates more understanding of what the words and phrases mean, what to emphasis and how to emphasis it or soft speak it on the fly even if the speech is over an our long.

No cognitively impaired, senile, alzheimer disease victim can do that as well as Biden can and does every day right up to today.

In keeping with every other lying response Trump gave to every other question at the debate, when the moderators could finally get him to hear and understand the question well enough to answer with something remotely related to the topic of the question, Trump was even lying about his golf handicap:

[B]Trumps Own Reported Golf Scores Reveal He Cheats.
Chipping away at the strangest issue raised at the presidential debate.
June 28, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-reported-golf-scores-reveal-he-cheats[/URL]

[QUOTE]Explaining why he believes he is in very good health, Trump said I just won two club championships, not even senior, two regular club championships.
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Biden, once an avid golfer, has hit the links a couple of dozen times as president so far. Trump spent all or part of about 300 days of his presidency golfing, more than any other president.
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In other words, Trump ignored the systems requirements and reported just the scores needed to produce the desired ego-inflating low-single-digit handicap, including made-up scores like that 70 especially made-up scores like that 70. And despite the many games he has played in the last four years, he has posted only one additional score to GHIN since 2020, and it was sufficient to drop his official USGA handicap index from 2.8 to 2.5.

In still other words, he lied.
[/QUOTE]LOL. Shrewdly, Biden did not just laugh off Trump's lie about his golf tournament record. He probably already knew Trump lies and cheats at golf every bit as much as he lies and cheats at everything else, meaning constantly. So he nursed along the topic that Trump brought up himself in order to lure him into blathering even more Trump material to blast with a simple Factcheck.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2926253]Since when did right-wing, knuckle dragging, cro magnon, Rupukeians start citing the New York times as a source of credible news? As the man would say, what a pile of hypocritical, stinky "mularkey"! Papa Joe isn't going anywhere! And he's going to whup Felonious Chump's fat, lying ass one more time. Watch, wait, and see.[/QUOTE]Over the decades, Wingers finally figured out that what Mainstream Media like the New York Times want and invariably get when Repubs win elections is the same thing they want;.

"DISASTER HAS STRUCK AGAIN"! . headlines.

Bad news is good for the media. Disastrous news is even better.

That is what Wingers want for America, too. That is why they vote for Repubs instead of Dems.

And that is also why MSM help Repubs win elections at every opportunity by downplaying the Repubs' horrific economic and national security policy and stewardship results throughout history right up to Trump and spectacularly good economic and national security policy results for Dems throughout history right up to Biden.

And how much has debate performance shown to determine the outcome of elections?

Zero.

Biden is still very much on track to win a 2nd term despite MSM pundits' extraordinary but typically pro Repub focus on a few spineless Dem hand-wringers:

[URL]https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1807262388913332389/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1807262388913332389&currentTweetUser=MeidasTouch[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2926371]
If I were stuck somewhere and Trump pulled up in a car and offered to drive me somewhere, I would hop right in.[/QUOTE]If you were stuck somewhere and Trump was driving around, he would pull closer and splash you with a poodle.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2926371]To quote Jimmy Dore, Trump is a glorified game show host. If you hate someone who is a glorified game show host this much that you actually care about what happens to him when he is not in office, you need to get a life.[/QUOTE]That's pretty rich coming from you! You're the one with a zillion posts in this thread referring to people as "douches" because they hold political beliefs different from your own. Doesn't exactly come across as "love" to me LOL! Have a look in the mirror. Then practice what you preach.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2926352]You're one of the dumasses-- DJT shall Win by such a huge margin-- the election shall not be stealable like in 2020-.[/QUOTE]Well time is going to tell isn't it? And if you believe the election was stolen in 2020 then no [B]you[/B] are the anti-democracy, dangerous, dumbass who must be stopped.

So says Allen Lichtman, a genuine Political Scientist, with a 90% success rate in predicting presidential election outcomes since 1984.

Actually, it would be 100% if only Florida had not been ordered to stop counting the 2000 Election ballots by the 5 Repubs in the SCOTUS as long as GW Bush was still squeaking out a 537 vote lead. My god. Imagine how much better America and the rest of the world would be today if only Bill Maher had not so repeatedly slammed Democrats while endorsing Ralph Nader that time.

But I digress.

Here is Allen Lichtman making the case for why it would be "foolhardy nonsense" for the Dems to replace Biden in this election. At the end is a nice followup discussion with 2 former Repub Campaign contributors where the smarter one of the two, Stuart Stevens, explains why any person would be stunned like a deer in the headlights if his debate opponent was given free rein to firehouse a steady stream of preposterous lies as Trump was allowed to do by the CNN debate moderators:

[URL]https://youtu.be/Pt8eRZTas_Q?si=1gayEvEX2K9Env7H[/URL]

And here is Stuart Stevens' NYT article that few if any Wingers are citing today:

[B]Democrats: Stop Panicking[/B]

[URL]https://dnyuz.com/2024/06/29/democrats-stop-panicking/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2926391]That poll was taken of people who had just watched the debate.[/QUOTE]Yes, and when people saw the Obama-Romney debate, the initial vote was Romney was ahead by a little. Subsequent polls showed Romney slaughtered Obama because people are herd animals and want to go to the winning side.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2926391]I would not say Biden "won" the debate. These debates are television quiz shows that have nothing to do with how a president has a meeting, discusses options, determines policy, makes a decision or anything of the kind. What are the winning points of a televised debate like that? The one who spoke the loudest? Uses the most words? Came up with the funniest pre-written joke and retort?

Absolutely, if we're scoring on truthfulness, Biden won hands down..[/QUOTE]Tooms, with you, good is Democrat and bad is Republican. When you say I would not say Biden won the debate, that is Thailand Tooms talk for Biden got his ass kicked. The funny part is not that Trump kicked Biden's ass and won, but Biden kicked his own ass and lost. Still, you cannot say Democrat bad with anything.

It is so funny to see Dems in panic mode one minute and think they have to switch out Biden. That was attempted spin #1. We have to get someone else. Then the dumb Dems realize they can't because Joe will not leave, which I said was the case, and then turn around and do spin #2. Now the debate is about honesty and vison. It was not about incompetence or cognition.

So here are you are on posting the latest hopium bullshit when if you were paying attention, it has already been shot down: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py1id2nWLoU[/URL].

The boring part about the honesty bit is Biden has been a serial liar since he was elected to Congress. That is not new. The new part is the video of Biden playing golf and the clip of him getting off the stage in the debate. This reminds me of HRC falling down, but it was worse. Biden not only had Jill helping him down step by step, there were two men waiting to catch Biden if he fell, and there were like four stairs. Thing is Trump has a comedy bit about it.

The other funny part is Biden is going down to talk to his friends at CNN while Trump like runs alone off the stage. Trump was in enemy country and we knew it. The shocking part about the CNN moderators is that for the most part they were fair, and that caused Keith Olbermann, God what a douche that guy is, to lose his shit. He screamed that CNN should have fact checked Trump but also in the video, you see CNN fact checked Biden. So Olbermann was bitching at CNN for not being biased. LOL.

Of course, the CNN moderators now get that because of the Democratic douches and "rule of law" BS if Trump wins, it is easy for them to be put in jail. We can do the rule of law shit too where we just make up the law, ignore the statue of limitations, have a biased judge and jury, and jail someone. If Jake tapper were not fair, we Republicans would make it our mission to get Jake Tapper a cell next to Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro.

Finally, I have to give a shout out to the Dems who have been honest. Sadly, there have been very few. Steven A Smith tweeted this, So do y'all finally want to stop arguing with me about Biden now? Have your fears now been confirmed? Somebody. Please help! Biden's team wanted this? His staff, His loved ones. How could you put him out there like that! How could you!

With black people, Steven A Smith was telling the truth and got beat up by the NAACP. The video is even better: [URL]https://x.com/franko_ufo/status/1807195108904677585[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2926410]If you were stuck somewhere and Trump was driving around, he would pull closer and splash you with a poodle.[/QUOTE]And Cane asks me why I call you guys douches.

[URL]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quiet-acts-kindness/[/URL]

"A rabbi's critically ill son needs to get from NYC to California for specialty care. No airlines will fly him. The generous man uses his private jet to fly the child. "

Another accurate description, which we addressed at greater length in a 2015 fact check. In July 1988, the Ten family needed to travel to New York for urgent medical treatment for their three-year-old son Andrew Ten, who had a rare respiratory condition. Because Andrew required the constant aid of a respirator and life support machine but commercial airlines could not accommodate that equipment, the family could not travel to New York on a conventional flight.

The boy's father, Harold Ten, an orthodox Jewish rabbi, contacted Trump to ask for the use of his private jet, and the property magnate agreed without hesitation, according to a contemporaneous report by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency:

Asked why he thought Trump made his private jet available, Ten replied, "Because he is a good man. He has three children of his own and he knows what being a parent is all about. " Ten said he believes that Trump fulfilled the Talmudic saying that "he who saves one person's life is as if he saved the entire world. "

Among the relatives at the airport to greet the child and his parents were the paternal grandparents of the sick boy. "Donald Trump is a miracle, just a miracle," said grandmother Feigy Ten, who came to the airport with her husband, Phillip Ten. Both grandparents thanked Trump's generosity over and over again.

And Xpartan, I know how you will react. Yeah, that is not true. Trump would splash you with his car if you needed a ride. Ha ha ha!

This is one of those liberal fact checkers that did the story, but that will not matter to you. You believe what you do and find facts to support your belief instead of looking for truth.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9d4xZEgZ9E[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nHLuw9ZDoo[/URL]

I'd bang Amber Rose before I'd bang Taylor Swift.