Jakarta

When you meet a women who come to you and if you find she is good and worth to go up and do the deed. Then first you use the protection good for you and her, 2nd you give cash either as gift for kids or taxi money. They are happy you take them for good lunch or dinner but inside they are OK with good decent meal and cash. Because they have family and debts to pay and they also want to be discrete and hence they are not a professional call girl who quote you price.

Money, I think you pay what you feel worth of her service and attitude, its a mutual respect and mind you that will make good use of that money. She is a normal women who wants sex to meet her personal need and she walk in very fine line between tradition and real world.

I have met couple of women and you can feel they are not those who had slept with someone for more then 4 months and they also need cash and they give high respect to you for your privacy and your status and mind you please give them respect.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2381973]I have read the forum extensively the past month, 200 pages to be exact. Good thing I am semi-retired to have the available time to waste.

What I feel lacking is the fair pricing model for the social app girls Tinder and Badoo.

Upon agreeing to meet in 3 weeks, the girls seem to fall into 2 groups.

1. Those who let you know upfront that compensation is expected and when asked, will sometimes quote a price (1. 5 juta seems to be the standard reply). I always counter that is too much and have gotten as low as 800 k up to 1. 3 juta as a counteroffer..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2381973]What I feel lacking is the fair pricing model for the social app girls Tinder and Badoo.[/QUOTE]It varies. You would have to share photos of the girls in order for us to rate a fair taxi money for each. I only take the girls short time, so I won't discuss long time. You can get lower prices for the less attractive girls, but normally, 1 million is plenty for ST with a very attractive young girl (I consider ST to be up to 4 hours). The chick would have to be a real stunner to justify 1.5 juta.

I have to say thank you for the response to my question and the great information imparted in the last 100 pages I sifted through LOL. I pulled the trigger and will land next weekend. Staying within an easy taxi trip to Block M and right next to a central line train station for "day trips" To Classic or Kotah. It will be Kings Cross and surrounds that will be more of a task. I will let you know how it works out.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2382063]It varies. You would have to share photos of the girls in order for us to rate a fair taxi money for each.[/QUOTE]These pics are a good cross section.

No disrespect to others, but I am not really interested in anyone under 25 as I would feel like I am seducing children.

30's is fine as well.

Thanks for the advice.

Traveler.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2382063]It varies. You would have to share photos of the girls in order for us to rate a fair taxi money for each. I only take the girls short time, so I won't discuss long time. You can get lower prices for the less attractive girls, but normally, 1 million is plenty for ST with a very attractive young girl (I consider ST to be up to 4 hours). The chick would have to be a real stunner to justify 1.5 juta.[/QUOTE]I'd say there are 3 ranges for LT girls:

300 k is a round trip Grab to pretty much anywhere in Jakarta for the good girls who insist on actual taxi cost only.

I'd happily pay the few lookers I saw at MyBar, or LoSo online girls of the same caliber, 1 jt LT.

Girls with high end expectations from a 5 star bar or nightclub may expect 2-2. 5 jt and up for LT.

As usual, the price in no way guarantees performance. In fact, it may be the opposite. Of the 3 choices, I would go with the middle range as more likely to give a night's fun and fair value for money.

Note, many would say that I'm overly generous and the prices above should come down.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2285350]So many women, so little time. As for the non-pros or sideline girls, there is usually no talk to sex on the chat. It is all about meeting up. Once they come and meet, then I gauge their interest in making a quick buck and then pitch the idea of a ST. Sometimes, it turns out to be a resounding NO SEX meeting. Sometimes, I get lucky.

[/QUOTE]How do you casually shift the conversation to gauge their interest? Do you have specific questions that reveal their motivations? This may sound silly, but all my Jakarta experience has been with pros and I am trying to make the shift to some non-pros on this visit.

Thanks, Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382311]How do you casually shift the conversation to gauge their interest? Do you have specific questions that reveal their motivations? This may sound silly, but all my Jakarta experience has been with pros and I am trying to make the shift to some non-pros on this visit.

Thanks, Traveler.[/QUOTE]If they agree to come to your room without a friend, then you are going to have some form of sex, even if it's just a BJ. When the coffee / meal / what ever is drawing to a close steer the discussion on what they are doing for the rest of the day / do they want to come up and relax / are they free for the night etc.

Don't be surprised if a girl says she will go on a first date with you but she won't sleep with you. Generally they mean it. It's very important to the 'good' girls to see themselves and be seen as decent. If you remember this and take one for the team on the first date she will inevitably say thanks on the second and often in ways that make up for waiting. 😁.

All the above is face to face, not in chat. Stay away from sexting the 'good' girls. Again, let them play the game and they will say thanks for treating them with some respect.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382311]How do you casually shift the conversation to gauge their interest? Do you have specific questions that reveal their motivations? This may sound silly, but all my Jakarta experience has been with pros and I am trying to make the shift to some non-pros on this visit. thanks, Traveler.[/QUOTE]It really works the same no matter where you are. Women are the same the world over. If you've ever had a girlfriend in your life, Traveler, just try to remember how it worked. You're welcome.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2382348]It really works the same no matter where you are. Women are the same the world over. If you've ever had a girlfriend in your life, Traveler, just try to remember how it worked. You're welcome.[/QUOTE]If you don't think there are cultural differences. God bless you.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382300]These pics are a good cross section.

No disrespect to others, but I am not really interested in anyone under 25 as I would feel like I am seducing children.

30's is fine as well.

Thanks for the advice.

Traveler.[/QUOTE]I have seen the 5th one at CJ's. And the rates in CJ's are pretty high these days.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382457]If you don't think there are cultural differences. God bless you.[/QUOTE]There are $ differences. That's what you need. God help you if you don't have any.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382300]These pics are a good cross section.

No disrespect to others, but I am not really interested in anyone under 25 as I would feel like I am seducing children.

30's is fine as well.

Thanks for the advice.

Traveler.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, why do I think that the one in the middle and the last one are baits?

[QUOTE=Menteng;2382544]Hmmm, why do I think that the one in the middle and the last one are baits?[/QUOTE]The last one is Zahara and I have met her in the flesh. She is very real. The middle one is Kiki and she is a referral from an ISG member. I haven't met her yet. The other's are all from Tinder or Badoo.

But I get your drift. Yesterday, I thought I am chatting with a nice girl I met on Tinder. Good pics. Soon enough, "she" is sending ME dick pics. OMG. Confesses "she" is a boy. Deleted that contact immediately. Truly a case of BUYER BEWARE. That incident has solidified my video chat in advance policy. No dicks (but mine) allowed!

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2382569]The last one is Zahara and I have met her in the flesh. She is very real. [/QUOTE]I've never been with her, but I've seen her around often. I think she's either a CJs or BATS girl.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2382327]If they agree to come to your room without a friend, then you are going to have some form of sex, even if it's just a BJ. When the coffee / meal / what ever is drawing to a close steer the discussion on what they are doing for the rest of the day / do they want to come up and relax / are they free for the night etc.

Don't be surprised if a girl says she will go on a first date with you but she won't sleep with you. Generally they mean it. It's very important to the 'good' girls to see themselves and be seen as decent. If you remember this and take one for the team on the first date she will inevitably say thanks on the second and often in ways that make up for waiting. 😁.

All the above is face to face, not in chat. Stay away from sexting the 'good' girls. Again, let them play the game and they will say thanks for treating them with some respect.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Absolutely on point.

I also make some conversation around work, income, lifestyle, boyfriend, etc. These harmless questions allow me to gauge the girl's "needs and wants".

I once had a girl who swore absolute chastity, insisted she only drank non-alcoholic beverages, etc. But she was so good looking I simply had to fuck her. And even if I did not I enjoyed watching her and talking to her. So the little charade went on for 3 dates (spread over 3 months with a lot of chatting and video calls in between), and finally on the 3rd date she agreed to come to my room.

And then all hell broke loose. What a girl! She is now married and lives in Bekasi. Sigh!