Angeles City

[QUOTE=Manny51;1587794]Can I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?[/QUOTE]The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. Why the hell would a girl go with you? Even if you pay them they still have to do a job of fucking your fat stinky ass and that's not worth any amount of money to them even if they have to starve without they rather do that then take your money. Ever watch the fat pigs walking around that place with those flip flops on and wife beaters looking like they need a bath? Get some danm water and soap you stinky bastaad. I talk to the girls and I have been rejected from time to time and its not always because of your looks either. The girls have life's outside the bar and kids to tend to and they can't be going out on your schedule all the time sometimes its just bad timing they don; t go with you sometimes its YOU are disgusting to look at and the thought of having sex with you is not worth any amount of money.

Todays field report.

Hit the bikini contest at Score Birds with Captain Munch afterwards we check out tropix but find nothing there to our liking next we try Viking bar I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl but she is reserved and not very talkative and does not appear to want to be with me despite my best efforts to be polite and entertaining to her, I bring up the subject of bar fine and she says no immediately with out hesitation says she is tired. Next we hit equis and again I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl in the bar, one again I try to be entertaining polite and put on my best charm offensive, this time I seem to be making some head way and she agrees to let me bar fine her, she is laying next to me now as I write this, extremely attractive but a bit of an ice princess and despite being told yes in the bar there is no BJ.

It only took me three bars and two girls before I found one that would let me bar fine her.

Angeles really is a different animal when it comes to mongering it can be similar to trying to pick up regular girls in a none pro bar, that is the gogo girl has to be somewhat attracted to you and you have to put on the charm offensive and try to be appealing to her just like when trying to meet regular girls. Trying to get a gogo girl to let you bar fine her is a little like having a fish on a string you want to be very caution and try not to say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing and try to convince her to let you bar fine her. It can be very frustrating and you have to work that much harder if you are not attractive to her. I have had dismal success with gogo bar girls at best I am at a 50% success rate or lower. The quality in almost every bar is sub par that is about 85% to 90% are girls I would not bar fine. They are not ugly and if it was free and they were throwing themselves at me I would probably do them but they are not attractive enough that I would pay to do them. Almost all bars have two or three attractive to super attractive girls and naturally these are the ones I go for and that may be the reason for my dismal success rate. But I did not spend over $1000 dollars and fly for an entire day to screw women that only rate a see or to be turned down and told by more attractive women that I am so ugly even my money is not enough to get them to sleep with me.

I am not sure I will ever return to Angeles after this trip.

Chris

I believe the first criteria is looks for the dancers. I dress in semi-clubbing attire, shower, put on deodorant, and try to come up with cheerful conversations beefor I talk to the dancer.

The owners of the bars are running a business and not a charity. Despite the interests of the daprostitutesont own the business. In most retail / service careers, you try to maxmize sales. The rest of the mogering universe use this mo. Del cause they understand that it is a business.

Yes the girls are human, but nature of the industry requires them to adhere to certain rules. Customers are paying from cash out of their pockets, so they can crticize the girls looks. The customers are usually people that can't get sex in normal society for whatever reason, so they seek prostitutes. So, The customers are usually undesirable in some form of way. So these dancers should know this when working this industry.

I would not recommend the Philippines if you take rejections badly. Though overall I'm having a good time. But If if I weren't here and knew what my experience would be like, I would make plans for other countries.

I think I'm going to leave early, the rejections are getting to me. But its like this at most bars in the Philippines. Plus the convenience of the location. So I'm on the Fence with this one.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1587840]you could say that they are technically prostitutes, but they're more semi-pro.[/QUOTE]They are young ladies with a job in the Entertainment industry as it exists in Angeles. One of the bar managers "tracked" one of the "stunners" at one of the bars and based on the weekly reports, told me that she did NOT go with ANY customers. Therefore the rejection I got, may have been the same one that many mongers got. This girl gets plenty of LDs and may be making a good paycheck every week.

Some young ladies have told me that they are happy to work for their salary and have no intentions of going with a customer. Their salary equates to about 4 K php per month. That is about half of the the minimum wage here in Philippines BUT it is not considered a bad salary. Full time / live-in maids make between 1. 5 k to 4 K per month depending on location. If they work for a Pilipino family they can be worked very hard with little food or freedoms.

At least here in Angeles, these girls are "independent" and maybe on their own for the first time in their lives. That doesn't mean that they learn to budget or save any money. As soon as the family back home thinks that they have a salary, they start making the requests to send money home. And somehow, these girls manage to send 500 or 1000 php home and help the family even if sometimes they have to do without a few things here in Angeles. The Hi-rollers with the rich boyfriends / sponsors have huge cell phones and tablets but some of the girls don't even have a 500 php cell phone.

As Pip mentions they are happy to be with their friends / co-workers (in general) This work is NOT for all of them and quite a few leave after days / weeks / months to go back to the lack of work in the provinces and the poverty that exists there.

Some are fortunate or industrious and find regular employment / Some find that elusive sponsor / Some find a husband / Some continue work in the Entertainment industry.

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1587840]the choice is obvious = stay home or go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Ditto. . . . . . Manny51 . . . . . . as suggested by others "you might want to consider an alternate location. ".

[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1587840] English is not my native language.[/QUOTE]Pip, I thought it was a well written thoughtful post!

Its so funny how some guys on boards have been so pussy whipped by females in life that they are scared of their own shadow.

A prostitute is a prostitute, simple, look in the dictionary, a woman who sells herself for monetary gain even if its only once is a prostitute, full stop.

Yes to make some feel better about themselves they will claim, the girls are not pros, they are semi pros. Bargirls, gros, door girls / waitresses only, bullshit I say.

Its funny how up to a few years ago theses same prostitutes that ply their trade in Angeles had older cousins / sisters / aunties / mothers who also worked in the same bar as the girls of now.

Guess what, there was no rejection, almost a hundred percent of bargirls barfined, no excuses, most not only barfined but stayed long time and were only too happy to dish out multiple pops as and when the punter wanted and guess what, they were a damn better looking and slimmer that the plain, chubby, princesses we are left with now.

Now according to some, we have to accept rejection, we have to dress in our finest, we have to bathe multiple times per day, we have to attend the gym so that we are not over weight, we have to be generous. We have to be kind, we have to be understanding etc etc.

I think that most guys who travel half way around the world at great expense do so to get laid by pretty, slim, girls, who for a short peace of her time gets rewarded handsomely, especially by PI terms.

Yes guys should wash, yes guys should change clothes, yes guys should not be so drunk they are abusive, but at the end of the day, if punters have to do all of the things quoted by some members to get laid in Angeles by very ordinary looking / chubby girls then most can save their time and expense and get a ordinary looking / chubby girl at home and mostly for free.

As I say pussy whipped guys will make up all the excuses in the world for the girls, these are the same guys that marry the first prostitute that opens her legs, buys her a house in her name, a business in her name, a car and her name, pays her monthly for her opening her legs a few times in a blue moon, and then when he is finally rejected by said ex prostitute and left skint, jumps off the 14th floor of his condo.

Sorry to be blunt but some one had to say it.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1587794]Can I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?[/QUOTE]Manny51,

After all is said, I don't think AC is right for you and for some like minded others. AC will not fulfill your shopping needs for prostitutes. Save yourself from some anguish and severe multiple rejections.

Dg8787.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1587878]The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. Why the hell would a girl go with you? Even if you pay them they still have to do a job of fucking your fat stinky ass and that's not worth any amount of money to them even if they have to starve without they rather do that then take your money. Ever watch the fat pigs walking around that place with those flip flops on and wife beaters looking like they need a bath? Get some danm water and soap you stinky bastaad. I talk to the girls and I have been rejected from time to time and its not always because of your looks either. The girls have life's outside the bar and kids to tend to and they can't be going out on your schedule all the time sometimes its just bad timing they don; t go with you sometimes its YOU are disgusting to look at and the thought of having sex with you is not worth any amount of money.[/QUOTE]So true on all accounts.

Additional item: And then you want to cheap Charlie them too!

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1587893]Todays field report.

Hit the bikini contest at Score Birds with Captain Munch afterwards we check out tropix but find nothing there to our liking next we try Viking bar I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl but she is reserved and not very talkative and does not appear to want to be with me despite my best efforts to be polite and entertaining to her, I bring up the subject of bar fine and she says no immediately with out hesitation says she is tired. Next we hit Equis and again I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl in the bar, one again I try to be entertaining polite and put on my best charm offensive, this time I seem to be making some head way and she agrees to let me bar fine her, she is laying next to me now as I write this, extremely attractive but a bit of an ice princess and despite being told yes in the bar there is no BJ.
[/QUOTE]None truer words. Could not have said it better myself. The GFE is nice and all and the prices are better than for example Thailand, but like Manny and Chris has been saying the trip we make to be rejected about half the time is not worth it. My as well stay at home get rejected. We came here with hard earned money so that we don't feel rejection and get unrestricted access to girls and lifestyle that we can't get at home. If you like AC then more power to you. But, I don't think will back again to the Philippines. I work too hard to be rejected. In other parts of the world, working girls usually take on unattractive clients. Mongerers that are use to this will be shocked when coming to the Philippines. Like I said before, if I had the skills to attract beautiful ladies, I would not be mongering at all.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1587794]1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).[/QUOTE]Picture yourself being a male prostitute. Some old fat smelly woman with fucked up teeth, a mustache, moles all over her back, and dirty feet came up to you enlisting your services. Would you jump at the chance dreaming of burying your face between her legs and sipping from her juice box, or would you just as soon starve to death?

[QUOTE=Manny51;1587794]2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?[/QUOTE]I say go see for yourself. Say you don't go this time, then 5 years down the road you decide to go and you really like it. You will be kicking yourself in the ass for the 5 years you chose not to go because you read some dumb blog. Then if you do go and don't like it you can check it off your list and be on to something else not having to worry about AC again. At first I didn't like AC at all, because there is nothing to do there but bars. But the place grew on me. So now twice a year I go to my holiday spot for 3 days, which is some new place I haven't been for diving, then on the tail end I relax in AC for 3 days. I have never had a problem finding girls to my liking. I do mostly deal with FL, especially the chicks from High Society and Sky Traxx before that. I can count on one hand with fingers left the times I have gotten a chick from a bar.

I think some people just don't want to get pussy bad enough. Maybe a girl isn't your idea of a 10. In AC you can have fun fucking 5's, 6's, or 7's until you do finally run into whoever is your 10. It's not like you go there and can only fuck once during your stay so your one fuck has to be your 10. I always leave the place with chicks remaining on my hit/bucket list because I can't get to all of them, and then the chicks that I did knock off keep pestering wanting to see me again.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1587878]The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. Why the hell would a girl go with you? Even if you pay them they still have to do a job of fucking your fat stinky ass and that's not worth any amount of money to them even if they have to starve without they rather do that then take your money. Ever watch the fat pigs walking around that place with those flip flops on and wife beaters looking like they need a bath? Get some danm water and soap you stinky bastaad. I talk to the girls and I have been rejected from time to time and its not always because of your looks either. The girls have life's outside the bar and kids to tend to and they can't be going out on your schedule all the time sometimes its just bad timing they don; t go with you sometimes its YOU are disgusting to look at and the thought of having sex with you is not worth any amount of money.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. The way some of the guys walking around AC look and dress is discusting. Of course body odor is a big no no and I have moved my seat because of the stinch on some guys. Or they are drunk, act entitled as if those ladies are less than they are.

I am in my fifties and never had any problems in AC getting a woman.

If you are getting rejected alot in AC, the problem may not be with the ladies.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1587878]The girls besides being prostitutes are still humans. Everyone is talking about the looks of the girls and how they are of low quality But the punters themselves are fat discussing pigs who stink and don; t know how to dress. [/QUOTE]As long as men pay for "low quality", then that is what the market will provide. AC is really no different than any other scene that has become too popularized.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1588029]Manny51,

After all is said, I don't think AC is right for you and for some like minded others. AC will not fulfill your shopping needs for prostitutes. Save yourself from some anguish and severe multiple rejections.

Dg8787.[/QUOTE]LOL! You know, I tried to be diplomatic in my question. Read it again. But you had to sink and try your hand at sarcastic condescension. Fine. You asked for it.

First of all, you not only tried to insult me, but everyone else who has been talking about this whole rejection thing.

Secondly, who I ever said I would feel anguish? That was a Freudian slip on your part. I guess the rejections are starting to sting, and I touched a sore spot?

And third, you STILL didn't answer my questions.

You are just trying to rationalize getting repeatedly dumped by women that you are offering to pay for sex. So who is the loser?

That's you DG8787. The guy who gets rejected by hookers. You offer them money, they look you over, laugh at you and tell you to beat it.

If you totally eliminate the models of any bar and take the best of the working class girls you will get a 6 that will love you long time. If you spend a little time with a 6 they sometimes become 7's cause for some reason they start looking better the longer you look at her. Its the magic they have in that their looks change depending on the angle you see them from and banging a 7 for $35. Oo bucks a day is the best bargain on this planet.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1588082]Couldn't agree more. The way some of the guys walking around AC look and dress is discusting. Of course body odor is a big no no and I have moved my seat because of the stinch on some guys. Or they are drunk, act entitled as if those ladies are less than they are.

I am in my fifties and never had any problems in AC getting a woman.

If you are getting rejected alot in AC, the problem may not be with the ladies.[/QUOTE]Yeah I love the stinking drunk guy in the bar great entertainment for me and my lady of the moment I might be talking to there. Always get a good laugh at those guys expense. If I could make one rule for AC I would ban them girlie flip flops. Guys need to watch Ralphie May on his take on guys in flip flops. He has I think your half homo if you wear them.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1588116]If you totally eliminate the models of any bar and take the best of the working class girls you will get a 6 that will love you long time. If you spend a little time with a 6 they sometimes become 7's cause for some reason they start looking better the longer you look at her. Its the magic they have in that their looks change depending on the angle you see them from and banging a 7 for $35. Oo bucks a day is the best bargain on this planet.[/QUOTE]Practical & workable approach but not applicable for Tom Cruises in this forum. btw I am not anywhere near to Mr Tom.