Kyiv

[QUOTE=Volpone;1756066]Everything is open and safe like in any state in the USA.

Concerning girls, we are back in the 90. You just sit down in a MacDonald and you show a 50 $ banknote (30 $ is not enough). You will be surprised how many girls sit around your place. Then you just have to pick up one or two and going to your hotel or apartment. Life is so wonderful, isn't it.[/QUOTE]You are very funny! (LOL).

Don't kid the newbie. If the newbie flashes his 50 $ banknote, when he goes outside, he might be met with troubles.

There are some unsavory characters around. Yesterday, I saw a guy got beaten up all bloody faced and blood dripping down his body on Kreschatik.
There also seem to be increasing number of homeless or wanders scavenging the dumpsters.

The supermarkets' prices fully reflect the current EX rate with most prices at least doubled from two years ago.

So the prices are not better with the better current EX Rate.

Most girls also seem to have at least doubled their prices in Grivnas or asking for $.

Even Ukrainain beer pices has increase dramatically from two year ago.

The prices are higher than you'd expect in $.

Basically, You are paying at least what would pay two years ago in $.

[QUOTE=Gopnik;1749235]You know, I'm a well dressed, educated, well travelled gentleman. I treat women politely and with respect. Of course women love this an it opens doors for you. However, there will be those who take advantage of that and push the envelope, such as this *****. The only warning signs I had was how quickly she wanted to meet, insisted she pick me up in a taxi and how she picked the venue. The caf we went to was expensive by Kyiv standards.

I know what some guys on this site are undoubtedly thinking: "OK, Gopnik, maybe you're just some bum with no style, no brains and failed to rein this devochka in. ' Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. All I can tell you is if you decide to meet this *****, you've been warned. She wants to take and give nothing.

Druid, you want my advice? Tell whatever girl you decide to meet to meet you in a place of your choice, or to come to your flat (if she is a semi-pro, she'll probably want to meet you in public first). Don't let her pick you up in a taxi and go somewhere of her choosing. That was my number one mistake. I should have known better. Also, make sure its clear between you what you are both looking for.[/QUOTE]In the following conversation the girl was eager to meet now and she said: "I can call and pick up you", it sounds like last part of your post. Does it sound like a warning? Any thoughts?

And is the premier palace hotel, a tourist trap or something?

Me.

Hi, When do you have free time to meet?

Girl.

I have free time now.

Have 3 hours free.

Tomorrow fly to holiday.

Girl.

We can meet now in atmosphere in premier palace hotel.

Here nice place.

You will like.

Where you now?

Me.

I am near Maidan.

Girl.

I can call and pick up you.

And we can meet.

And going to that resort ant for a dinner now.

[QUOTE=HarryHardman;1756106]There are some unsavory characters around. Yesterday, I saw a guy got beaten up all bloody faced and blood dripping down his body on Kreschatik.[/QUOTE]So it sounds like I may have to bust a few heads while I search for love in Kiev. Bring it on!

But how will girls react to a well off American visitor? Won't there be that much more curiosity or desperation?

Are there much fewer Western men around compared to two years ago?

Premier palace is in the upper echelons regarding price.

[QUOTE=HarryHardman;1756114]In the following conversation the girl was eager to meet now and she said: "I can call and pick up you", it sounds like last part of your post. Does it sound like a warning? Any thoughts?

And is the premier palace hotel, a tourist trap or something?

Me.

Hi, When do you have free time to meet?

Girl.

I have free time now.

Have 3 hours free.

Tomorrow fly to holiday.

Girl.

We can meet now in atmosphere in premier palace hotel.

Here nice place.

You will like.

Where you now?

Me.

I am near Maidan.

Girl.

I can call and pick up you.

And we can meet.

And going to that resort ant for a dinner now.[/QUOTE]

So how does Kiev work? Is it most common to buy off the street, this "sponsoring" thing or does it have brothels and / or websites I can check?

[QUOTE=SilverFox2015;1756124]So it sounds like I may have to bust a few heads while I search for love in Kiev. Bring it on!

But how will girls react to a well off American visitor? Won't there be that much more curiosity or desperation?

Are there much fewer Western men around compared to two years ago?[/QUOTE]You'll be a walking ATM. RTTF a good while back.

There's no curiosity because they've seen it all.

[QUOTE=Epicurus;1756243]Premier palace is in the upper echelons regarding price.[/QUOTE]So it sounds more and more like a trap.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=HarryHardman;1756114]In the following conversation the girl was eager to meet now and she said: "I can call and pick up you", it sounds like last part of your post. Does it sound like a warning? Any thoughts?

And is the premier palace hotel, a tourist trap or something?

Me.

Hi, When do you have free time to meet?

Girl.

I have free time now.

Have 3 hours free.

Tomorrow fly to holiday.

Girl..[/QUOTE]If its the same girl I posted about, you would be a fool to meet her and worse if you go where she wants to go. That's what she did to me. If it's another girl, its not the end of the world but be prepared for her to take you to a very expensive place and run up a ridiculous bill.

[QUOTE=EdWald;1756249]So how does Kiev work? Is it most common to buy off the street, this "sponsoring" thing or does it have brothels and / or websites I can check?[/QUOTE]What you're asking has been covered ad nauseam on this message board. Go back and read what others have written.

[QUOTE=SilverFox2015;1756086]What if I want to marry one and bring her back to Miami? I'm 50 by the way, but have a good job as a dentist and keep in decent shape.[/QUOTE]Man,

People aren't begging to move to the West like in the 1990's. That said, yes, you can find plenty of attractive women looking for a successful man to take care of them and move abroad. However, it's not going to be a university aged woman unless you are rich and are ready to be a walking ATM. Your best bet is to find an early 30-year old. Believe me, there are plenty of good looking women that age here in Kyiv. I see them everyday.

Someone suggested that you sit at a McDonald's and flash a 50 dollar bill to get girls attention. That is a dangerous proposition as not only will girls see it, but so will men and some of them will consider how to separate you from it by any means necessary.

Hi.

I am in Kiev and found out a website called relaxportal. Biz which has pro and non pros starting from 400 UAH (20 $).

Has anyone had any experience with this website?

Thanks.

Mario.

[QUOTE=Gopnik;1756591]If its the same girl I posted about, you would be a fool to meet her and worse if you go where she wants to go. That's what she did to me. If it's another girl, its not the end of the world but be prepared for her to take you to a very expensive place and run up a ridiculous bill.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice.

I don't think it's the same girl; she calls herself Irina and is a blond.

Don't worry my big head is doing most thinking these days. I have plenty of time.

OK gentlemen I stayed in Kiev for a few weeks and here is a short summary from the experience I got.

-Mamba.

10 days before visiting Kiev for my first time I started using Mamba just as some of the members suggested. I got as many contacts as I could and made a spreadsheet to separate the pros from the non-pros.

-Pros. On the first night in Kiev I called one of the pros from Mamba up to my room. She was charging $50/ hour and she looked pretty good in her photo. Unfortunately when she came to my room she didn't look anything like the picture. Needless to say I took her anyways. On my second night I did the same thing but with another pro from mamba. Well let's just say my experience was a repeat. A few days later I decided to give mamba one more shot so I called up another pro to my room that was charging $60 for an hour. She came to my room and yes she was the person in the photo. The only bad thing was that she was a lot heavier than her photos let on. I gave her 50 Grivna and sent her on her way.

-Non Pros. I had a list of about 8 non-pros that agreed to meet me once I was in Kiev. About half of them flaked on me when I got there. Suddenly some of them were too busy, had gone out of town, or were concerned about the language barrier. Nonetheless I still had a few that I met up with. I went out with 4 different women on 4 different days. The dates went well but I just couldn't get anything to happen.

-Apartments (Brothels).

About 3 days in my vacation I called up another ISG member and he gave me the contact details for a guy named Andrei. I called Andrei and what he does is set up tours for us Mongers. I met with Andrei and he took me to an apartment. I sat on the couch in the living room, waited for a minute and six ladies came out wearing only their bra and panties. Andrie told me I just choose which one I like and I could take her back to my apartment or do the deed in the bedroom next door. He also gave me the option of going to another apartment to look at some more ladies. The price range in the apartment I was in at the time was at 800-1200 Grivna. Now there are other apartments with different pricing depending on the "quality" of the girls. I visited a place that had a price range like 1400-2000. Andrei also mentioned that there are apartments with prices lower than 800 but the girls were usually older and a little bit chubby. I took his word for it and didn't visit any of those places. I ended up scheduling tours with Andrei many times and even repeated seeing one of the girls. Now I also should mention that there is a possibility that you could get a girl that might end up liking you. I got one that gave me her facebook and wanted to meet me when she wasn't working. But I didn't have time for that so that never happened.

-Strip Clubs.

I visited club Rio but the prices there were a lot more than what the apartments or Mamba had to offer. They charge 150 $ per hour and you have to take for a minimum of 2 hours. The women of Rio are beautiful, sexy, etc. I imagine you could see them on a magazine or music video. I ended up taking a beautiful red head with green eyes from Rio for a couple hours.

-Parties.

I met up with a fellow ISG member and we went to a boat party on the river. I ended up getting a few numbers and a girlfriend out of the experience.

All in all I had a pretty good experience in Kiev and will probably come back to visit soon. If you have any questions please ask.

[QUOTE=JGomez90;1757087]OK gentlemen I stayed in Kiev for a few weeks and here is a short summary from the experience I got.

-Apartments (Brothels).

About 3 days in my vacation I called up another ISG member and he gave me the contact details for a guy named Andrei. I called Andrei and what he does is set up tours for us Mongers. I met with Andrei and he took me to an apartment. I sat on the couch in the living room, waited for a minute and six ladies came out wearing only their bra and panties. Andrie told me I just choose which one I like and I could take her back to my apartment or do the deed in the bedroom next door. He also gave me the option of going to another apartment to look at some more ladies. The price range in the apartment I was in at the time was at 800-1200 Grivna. Now there are other apartments with different pricing depending on the "quality" of the girls. I visited a place that had a price range like 1400-2000. Andrei also mentioned that there are apartments with prices lower than 800 but the girls were usually older and a little bit chubby. I took his word for it and didn't visit any of those places. I ended up scheduling tours with Andrei many times and even repeated seeing one of the girls. Now I also should mention that there is a possibility that you could get a girl that might end up liking you. I got one that gave me her facebook and wanted to meet me when she wasn't working. But I didn't have time for that so that never happened.[/QUOTE]Great report!

What kind of sex were in these apartments? Was everything done with condoms in these aparments? Do you pay extra for BBBJ, CIM, COF, etc? Are these apartments in the center around Kreschatik?