American Politics

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2927201]

So Bragg and Merchan are going to use the SCOTUS ruling which really has zero to do with this case to worm their way out of sentencing Trump. Given that these two partisan asshats literally made up a law and used lawfare to try to rig a presidential election, I would put these two in jail for any made up crime for twenty years..[/QUOTE]I wouldn't put them in jail, although they were dead wrong to go after Trump for covering up a one night stand and an affair. This was Bragg fulfilling a campaign promise, plain and simple. Trump was only prosecuted because he's unpopular in Manhattan. So what's next? Maybe some county in the deep red Texas Panhandle goes after Biden for channeling loans to his brother through his Delaware attorney? That would be fitting considering the involvement of Trump's attorney, Michael Cohen, in Bragg's prosecution.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2927160][B]What happened to "free speech" in this case[/B]?

I apologize Elvis. I did not google it. But do remember who said "Fuck the Police". It is still one of my favorite songs to this day. LOL! Caused a serious political uproar when it came out.

[URL]https://www.gq.com/story/nwa-fuck-the-police-live-detroit[/URL]

[B]I think the President should be able to pull straight mafia gangster moves. If the President of the United States feels like it is the interest of the country to put a hit out on someone, that someone better run like a ***** cause he going to get hit.[/b] President has to be as powerful of the Kings of the world. MBS said: Hit him. The kings men got it done.

Don't fuck with me about morality. It is cruel world. I accepted a long time ago that if someone in the real world wants you dead, and they do not care if they get caught. Friends in family will miss you terriblely and think of your often.[/QUOTE]I think the MAGA 6 just said President er I mean King Biden has total immunity to order a hit on a political rival.

Now, he can't make that arrangrment with the Mafia or your ordinary gun-for-hire hitman because interaction with them is not something a president er I mean King would do in his "official capacity" as President er I mean King. Therefore, that would be a "personal" matter.

Fortunately, interacting with the United States Navy SEALs is something the newly crowned by the MAGA 6, King Biden, would do in his "official capacity" as President er I mean King. See, that is a "President's thingy" er I mean a "King's thingy. ".

Therefore, ordering them to do it is ok, it is very, very likely no criminal charges would make it past legal arguments and the MAGA 6's final ruling on it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2927170]Oh, why be shy? There is a video clip of Bernstein on CNN that you could have posted.

This is the one below, right? He reports 2nd hand comments from other people "also of numerous inexplicable moments" of Biden "losing his train of thought and can't pick it up again" that ought to be looked into, perhaps by a doctor. I agree.

BTW, Bernstein does not use the words "Cognitive impairment", "Cognitive incapacity" or even "Cognitive decline", the latter of which would be expected for anyone over the age of 50 and still would not disqualify them for the job of President.

See, I thought you were being shy about providing the actual link because, being the well-known fair and unbiased "Bothsider / Neithersider" here, you did not want to show off those admirable traits by including the OTHER things Bernstein said he has been hearing about Joe Biden from those exact same people referenced above and more:

That [B]"No question about it, I have known for two years", that Biden is "GREAT when you see him. SHARP. Has an ABSOLUTE COMMAND of the facts, as SHARP as can be"[/B] in his detailed briefings on Ukraine and other presidential level topics. ".

[B]Bernstein says sources suggest concerns about Biden have been growing for a year.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/video/carl-bernstein-biden-performance-presidential-debate-ac360-digvid[/URL]

Oh, look! CNN must also be shy about mentioning any of those OTHER things Bernstein said about Biden in the big bold headlines or in the body of the text in that report.

Why didn't CNN or you do that? Why, like you, did they cover it up? Well, because CNN, the template for Mainstream Media cable news, is mostly biased to your side, we can only suppose.

Meanwhile, I presume NOBODY told Bernstein for all four years of Trump's horrific presidency how "sharp" Trump was and had "an absolute command of the facts" at any presidential level meeting any more than any CEO did at the meeting Trump spoke at recently:

[B]CEOs at Trump meeting: Ex-president meandering and doesnt know what hes talking about[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/14/ceos-at-trump-meeting-not-impressed.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Interesting. It also appears NOBODY ever came out of a meeting with Joe Biden describing him as "meandering" and that he "didn't know what he is talking about. ".

Oh well.[/QUOTE]He actually said, "There is no question [b]I HAVE HEARD [/b]for two years how sharp Joe Biden is in his national security briefings..." Biden's people also told Bernstein the president has an absolute command of the facts and is sharp as he can be. However, in the first part of the video, Bernstein describes classic signs of dementia. There are two Bidens, the real, senile Biden. And the "Sharp-as-a-tack Biden" spun by his staff.

In other words, the video sounds like Biden's going senile and his staff is trying to cover it up. Or maybe the staff isn't spinning, and he's slipping in and out of reality. Either way, is this man equipped mentally to be president?

Yes, Trump often meanders and doesn't know what he's talking about. That's why I support Chase Oliver for president. If the major parties can't come up with better candidates than these two, I'll vote for the Libertarian.

The lead article in the New York Times today.

Biden's Lapses are Said to be Increasingly Common and Worrisome.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/us/politics/biden-lapses.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2927195]This hits the nail on the head. All this drama and it being "a bad day for America". Give me a break. Presidents, and certain other officials, should have immunity for their official acts. Like you say, Trump isn't off the hook. It's just going to take a very long time to figure it out. That is, unless Trump wins. Then he will find ways to make much of it go away. And [B]that[/B] my friend [B]would[/B] be a bad day for America and the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]It's easy for presidents to have immunity for their official acts. Just don't do anything illegal and you have immunity. Why would any president need SCOTUS authorized immunity if they aren't into some nefarious shit? Presidents are not kings.

This was 3 months ago.

Maybe I missed it but did CNN have Carl Bernstein on in the past 3 months to discuss anything [B]HE HEARD[/B] about these obvious signs of dementia in Donald Trump?

[B]Trumps latest gaffe saw him forgetting New York Governor in rambling speech.[/B]

[URL]https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-latest-gaffe-saw-him-211326449.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3MyBR_rYrzTmh_f1UGFaVRI-cExPvIvcggnY2xdATx2cGUWicgKYhtvqTCoxtjyDyFoR351PVDIFKPkI4Vy0zg1GLHAnRspSly8lYJ4h-Jt-Ur6nzWNqIMNUakkIkKwZWLdoNL7H1T5ehHalQp5Dzm6SxwMKBaEvSqCX5GQcgc[/URL]

[B]Feeble, Confused And Tired: Donald Trump Torched After Bizarre Gaffe-Filled Appearance.[/B]

[URL]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/feeble-confused-tired-trump-torched-085918760.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2927240]He actually said, "There is no question [b]I HAVE HEARD [/b]for two years how sharp Joe Biden is in his national security briefings..." Biden's people also told Bernstein the president has an absolute command of the facts and is sharp as he can be. However, in the first part of the video, Bernstein describes classic signs of dementia. There are two Bidens, the real, senile Biden. And the "Sharp-as-a-tack Biden" spun by his staff.

In other words, the video sounds like Biden's going senile and his staff is trying to cover it up. Or maybe the staff isn't spinning, and he's slipping in and out of reality. Either way, is this man equipped mentally to be president?

Yes, Trump often meanders and doesn't know what he's talking about. That's why I support Chase Oliver for president. If the major parties can't come up with better candidates than these two, I'll vote for the Libertarian.[/QUOTE]Yes, but Bernstein said [B]"I HAVE HEARD"[/B] those glowing reports of Biden's sharpness and absolute command of the facts, which CNN did not mention in those big bold headlines or text of that report and neither did you until I cited it, from the same people who you took as gospel truth fact about the "inexplicable moments" [B]HE HEARD[/B] about to suit your and CNN's agenda. And he said he heard it from more than them.

You think those "inexplicable moments" that both Biden and Trump exhibit are classic signs of senility and dementia? Ok. But when people start coming out of important topic meetings with Biden commenting that he "meandered" and "didn't know what he was talking about" as has been case with Trump along with numerous video recorded examples of it for the past 9 years, I will start worrying about it with Biden.

Does telling 30,000+ lies in a handful of years including the firehose stream of lies at the Presidential Debate Quiz Show qualify as Trump "not knowing what he's talking about"?

I think so.

Meanwhile, even Biden's worst moment at that Quiz Show did not prove he "didn't know what he is talking about" but only momentarily verbally discombobulated while Trump's constant inaccurate statements about virtually every topic were in my mind clear signs that he "didn't know what he was talking about. " Or, fine, we can go with him simply being a pathological liar about everything if that makes you feel better.

BTW, that thing Bernstein [B]HEARD[/B] about Biden being at a fundraiser a year ago, suddenly freezing and needing a chair to finish the event sounded exactly like the nagging problem I had a few years ago with Sciatic Neuritis, where the sudden shooting pain traveling from my lower back down my leg was so severe it took my breath and voice away. It would happen out of nowhere, unrelated to any particular exercise or extraidinary physical event. It could and did happen if I just took in breath a certain way, took a step a certain way, reached for something in my coat pocket or made any number of ordinary moves.

And I damn well needed a chair to sit in ASAP. Sometimes the pain I experienced sitting in a chair was worse than standing up. There was often no position that would alleviate the pain enough to refocus on whatever else was happening at the moment.

In addition to which Biden's stiff gait has been well-documented and reported by his doctor and latest exams as a combination of fractures in his foot that he did not stay put long enough for them to heal normally along with arthritis in his back. And if there is a Sciatic Neuritis issue going on as well, I am even more impressed by what he is physically capable of doing.

We haven't heard about Trump's infamous bone spurs in a while. But I doubt that would have anything to do with him truly "not knowing what he is talking about" on every important topic for the past 9 years. And that is the only 1 Donald Trump I have been watching and listening to all that time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2927201]Judge Marchan, the hand picked Democratic partisan hack, and now Alvin Bragg are squirming. After the SCOTUS ruling on presidential immunity, Trump's team filed a motion to dismiss the New York criminal case, and Bragg was fine with that motion being filed.

[B]Then this so called Judge Merchan has vacated Donald Trump's July 11th sentencing date and will delay it until September 18th "if such is still necessary".[/b] When Trump issued payments to Cohen it was in 2017, but that had NOTHING to do with Trump's official duties being president.

However, now you have to define what the crime Trump supposedly committed and if it happened when he was president and if it was part of his presidential duties or not. Of course, they cannot do that because they never defined what the crime is. So now there is obvious grounds to throw the case out.

So Bragg and Merchan are going to use the SCOTUS ruling which really has zero to do with this case to worm their way out of sentencing Trump. Given that these two partisan asshats literally made up a law and used lawfare to try to rig a presidential election, I would put these two in jail for any made up crime for twenty years.

With Giuliani now being disbarred and Bannon being tossed in jail, there is not going to be any mercy like was shown with Hiliary. Fuck that! We Republicans need to pick out the worst of the worst and put these partisan dipshits like these two screaming "rule of law" away for a long, long time.[/QUOTE][B]New York v. Trump: Merchan delays sentencing hearing until September.
Merchan said Trump's sentencing has been delayed until Sept. 18[/B]

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-v-trump-merchan-agrees-delay-sentencing-september[/URL]

[QUOTE]Judge Juan Merchan has delayed former President Trump's sentencing in New York v. Trump until September, [b]following requests from the presumptive Republican nominee to do so[/b], and no opposition from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.[/QUOTE]Oh, BTW, there is this long understood political tradition regarding the general election calendar; it seems most voters aren't really paying much attention to the general election until after Labor Day, or possibly after the Conventions.

Uh, Labor Day is September 2nd this year. And Sept. 18 is also well after both the Repub and the Dem Conventions:

[B]Inside Intelligence: About That Kickoff to the Fall Elections...
For this weeks nonscientific survey of insiders in government and politics, we asked about Labor Day and the kickoff to the sprint to the November elections.[/B]

[URL]https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/08/inside-intelligence-about-kickoff-fall-elections/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Nearly two-thirds of the insiders said the Labor Day holiday still serves its role of focusing attention on races, especially those down-ballot. About a third thought the conventions are the true kickoff to the general election season now.[/QUOTE]Now, I don't know if the 34 times convicted Felon for Conspiring to Commit Election Fraud in a scheme to "improperly influence" (steal) the 2016 presidential election, a big deal crime in New York State, was simply too ignorant about that long held understanding about the timing of the kick-off for most voters' attention in a general election or if he had been made aware of it but his Cognitive Incapacity left him frozen, left to meander aimlessly directly into an open manhole about it.

I'll leave that up to the armchair physicians' diagnoses here.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2927237]I wouldn't put them in jail, although they were dead wrong to go after Trump for covering up a one night stand and an affair. This was Bragg fulfilling a campaign promise, plain and simple. Trump was only prosecuted because he's unpopular in Manhattan. So what's next? Maybe some county in the deep red Texas Panhandle goes after Biden for channeling loans to his brother through his Delaware attorney? That would be fitting considering the involvement of Trump's attorney, Michael Cohen, in Bragg's prosecution.[/QUOTE]The law is the law, Trump is not above it, and he broke it to dupe the American people into voting him into the highest office in the land. The guy had gotten away with stuff all his professional life without being held accountable. Well no more! He better hope he wins. Because that's the only way most of his current legal troubles are going away. But don't you worry because you see [B]he is stupid[/B]. Which means he will find plenty more new piles of shit to step in. And it's so ironic too since he called everyone else stupid. What's alarming is how intelligent people who know he's stupid and a lying scumbag can turnaround and vote for him anyway. What did you say? He had a one night stand. The whole world knows that! And yet, he stands there and says, "I didn't have sex with a porn star". Yes he did, and we all know it.

It's a bald faced lie and everybody knows that. And we all know he's lying and acted in bad faith about stuff far worse than that. Felonious Chump needs to be held accountable for the wrongs he perpetrated against the United States, as President no less. And speaking of cases that should not have been brought, Hunter Biden should not have been prosecuted for the gun charge. Look at the facts and you find that other people in similar circumstances typically are not charged unless certain aggravating circumstances are also present in the case. Those aggravating circumstances were not present in his case. But he was prosecuted anyway because he's a Biden, and the Biden family has chosen to accept the adverse outcome, unlike the Trumps who act as if they should be held above the law for their own transgressions.

Note: I too have had sex with a porn star. Fucked her in the ass in my hotel room. The difference is that I did not lie about it and try to cover it up while also trying to get people to vote for me for President! Aaahahaha!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2927145]As far as spiking the ball, why would I do that? You douches may think 2020 was the most fair election of all time, but we don't, and among one of the many reasons I think that is the Democratic primaries were rigged. But I am not spiking the football when I think you douches have the refs paid off.[/QUOTE]A 1,001 right wing conspiracy theories! And the only two possible outcomes in an election are that your piece of shit won or the election was stolen right? It can't possibly be that the other guy actually won. Talk about being a douche. You're as "douchey" as they come! But hey we're still here waiting. Waiting all the live long day for even a shred of evidence that the election was stolen. No, American democracy worked! And we're not about to allow a bunch of extremist turds from the right to turn America into some dictatorial shit hole country (remember that huh) like Iraq under Saddam Hussein who "consistently" got 90% of the vote. Right! That's the kind of America Trumpster turdsters would have. A shit hole America. Yeah? Well the rest of us aren't having it!

I hear the "Biden must quit" crowd repeating the same odd refrain:

1. Trump told lie after lie after lie.

2. Joe Biden did not call him out on those lies.

3. We need a candidate who will call Trump out on his lies and not let him just get away with it.

Questions:

Didn't these people watch the Presidential Debate Quiz Show?

Didn't they understand what the agreed upon ground rules were?

Uh, several of Joe Biden's responses began with some variation of "he's LYING", "Everything he just said was a LIE" and so on.

Uh, the ground rules were the Quiz Show contestants could NOT jump in, interrupt or talk over the other Contestant or his mic would be cut off. Which, if Biden had done what these critics appear to be wishing he had done, typically pro Repub Mainstream Media would be having a party showing video clips of an out-of-control, rule-flaunting, angry faced Joe Biden's mouth moving with no audio for it.

This was not the kind of Presidential Debate Quiz Show those critics apparently wish it had been; There was no open mic for both sides throughout.

There was a strict 2 minute limit with a strict 1 minute response time.

Sure, Biden could have spent the entire 3 minutes total allotted to him per question itemizing every 30-50 lies Trump told throughout, he's lying, he's lying, he's lying. But instead I counted and cited here several important policy proposals and plans for his 2nd term.

There was no cheering crowd, each side applauding an interruption and rewarding their guy for the loudest, funniest or craziest zinger.

The fact that Joe Biden kept the rules squarely in his mind, the mic cut-off issue and the time limits etc for every one of those 90 minutes, all while making it clear that he understood and was pointing out Trump's constant lying AND still putting on the record those popular 2nd term proposals and plans argues as much as anything that Biden, despite his cold and hoarse voice, was totally cognizant of the rules and parameters of that Quiz Show far better than his critics did.

I keep waiting for somebody on the typically pro Repub MSM to remind their audience of the exacting rules for that Quiz Show and how it was meant to calmly and unemotionally convey intelligent proposals and policy plans for a 2nd term, of which there were none from Trump, instead of one of those rousing, zinger-filled, crowd-cheering free-for-alls.

But 5-6 days later, nothing.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2927259]It's easy for presidents to have immunity for their official acts. Just don't do anything illegal and you have immunity. Why would any president need SCOTUS authorized immunity if they aren't into some nefarious shit? Presidents are not kings.[/QUOTE]LOL.

Bill Clinton lied to a grand jury.

Hiliary Clinton had top secret documents on a private server.

Barrack Obama killed an American citizen without a trial or due process.

Joe Biden kept top secret documents in his garage.

You have to go back to Jimmy Carter, the worst president in my lifetime, to find a Democratic president who may not have broken the law.

You are just so messed up in the head you think because Democratic presidents or candidates were not charged that they did not break the law when they sure as fuck did.

That is the problem with you Democratic douches. You keep saying rule of law when you mean rule of law only for Republicans.

I have already laid out that the average American breaks three laws a day and that you often cannot even see what the law is and how it often conflicts itself, and that has not sunk in yet. So let me ask you Xpartan, being a monger, why aren't you in jail? Are you going to tell me you have not broken any laws?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2927266]This was 3 months ago.

Maybe I missed it but did CNN have Carl Bernstein on in the past 3 months to discuss anything [B]HE HEARD[/B] about these obvious signs of dementia in Donald Trump?

[B]Trumps latest gaffe saw him forgetting New York Governor in rambling speech.[/B]

[URL]https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-latest-gaffe-saw-him-211326449.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3MyBR_rYrzTmh_f1UGFaVRI-cExPvIvcggnY2xdATx2cGUWicgKYhtvqTCoxtjyDyFoR351PVDIFKPkI4Vy0zg1GLHAnRspSly8lYJ4h-Jt-Ur6nzWNqIMNUakkIkKwZWLdoNL7H1T5ehHalQp5Dzm6SxwMKBaEvSqCX5GQcgc[/URL]

[B]Feeble, Confused And Tired: Donald Trump Torched After Bizarre Gaffe-Filled Appearance.[/B]

[URL]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/feeble-confused-tired-trump-torched-085918760.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You can stop with the show now Tooms. The odds have changed dramatically. Kamala Harris is 3 X more likely to get the Democratic nomination than Biden is. In fact, in the last two hours, Kamala Harris has gone from dead even odds to 3:1 in favor that she will be the Democratic party nominee. Odds have gone from 50-50 to 3:1 in the last few hours.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kamala-rising-harris-blows-past-competition-predictit-market-wagons-begin-circle[/URL]

So now Biden is doing something even you douches here cannot admit: he is fucking demented as hell.

As for Harris being the nominee, practically no one in the Democratic party wanted her. She was less popular than Biden was. So why Harris?

The issue has to do with money. The only person who can get all the funds raised at this point is Harris. Harris cannot get the money if Biden quits. He has to be declared incompetent. The excuse can be given then that people who donated to the Biden-Harris campaign knew that if something happened to Biden, Harris could step in. Any other person comes in and all the money Biden raised has to be sent back to donors.

Harris got less than 1% of the vote in 2016 when she ran for president then. She only got to be AG because she ran as a Democrat in California and Dems always win there. She was funded and backed by Willie Brown who was using tax payer money to pay to fuck her. Then she got to be VP by kissing Joe Biden's ass and has been a train wreck as VP. That is all she has done well politically, suck dick and kiss ass. LOL.

So now we got the disastrous debate and now Democrats are going to choose someone as their nominee not on popularity or performance or the ability to win elections. No, she will be the nominee totally because of money. You cannot make this shit up.

Excellent posts gentlemen. I don't have time to write much now but think you may find these links interesting, from predict. Org, a betting site.

Who will win the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination?

[URL]https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7057/Who-will-win-the-2024-Democratic-presidential-nomination[/URL]

As of the moment I wrote this, the punters were favoring Harris over Biden to be the nominee, but it's changing moment by moment.

And another one, who will win the 2024 US Presidential election?

[URL]https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2927318]A 1,001 right wing conspiracy theories! And the only two possible outcomes in an election are that your piece of shit won or the election was stolen right? It can't possibly be that the other guy actually won. Talk about being a douche. You're as "douchey" as they come! But hey we're still here waiting. Waiting all the live long day for even a shred of evidence that the election was stolen. No, American democracy worked! And we're not about to allow a bunch of extremist turds from the right to turn America into some dictatorial shit hole country (remember that huh) like Iraq under Saddam Hussein who "consistently" got 90% of the vote. Right! That's the kind of America Trumpster turdsters would have. A shit hole America. Yeah? Well the rest of us aren't having it![/QUOTE]You are engaged in conspiracy theory if you think there is no cheating in an election. The question is how much. 40,000 votes that are different and Trump wins. There are at least 100,000 ballots with only Biden's name on them and no one else's. How does anyone know if those ballots are real? How many other elections had 100,000 people voting only for president? I do not know if those ballots were legit, and neither do you.

You got Democrats in Detroit putting up poster boards so people could not see what was going on. In Atlanta, Republicans were kicked out of offices and told counting stopped when it was ongoing.

No one said there was no cheating. What was said was there was not SIGNIFICANT cheating.

But we Republicans even know where the worst cheating was likely going on: Atlanta, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Detroit, and Milwaukee.

And then you look at the black vote, and there were more black votes for Biden than Obama. Really?

I said at the time if Democrats cheated enough to win, it was the fault of Republicans for not stopping them. I said Republicans had to accept Biden as president even if we do not think he won, and protesting after the fact was futile.

You don't know how bad the cheating was in 2020, and your saying there was none is the kookiest conspiracy theory there is.

And when Dems try to keep Trump off the ballot, try to throw him in jail, ransack his home with a SWAT team, and impeach him twice for bullshit, you douches lose nearly all credibility. Why would anyone believe you douches did not rig the 2020 elections when you are rigging the 2024 election right now? Hell, your nominee is likely to be someone who did not win an election.