Kyiv

Just had sex with a mamba girl. Damage: 1000 UAH for 2 hours sex, BBBJ, cunilingus. 69 was foreseen, but she didn't want it. The general service was good, so she gets a 30 % tip, what she was also aware before the meeting and so try to perform well. Not a 10, not a top notch girl, but quite pretty, around 22, and she knew how to take care of me. It might be the possibility to get a good tip, that makes her giving me a good service. She knew that I could give her only 1000 UAH.

Of course quite many mambas girls start at 150 $ for 1 hour or 2 hours. Do they look really better? Will they service be ok? Not sure. The best is to start low and not to agree with these prices similar to Germany. What's the point to come to Ukraine, if you pay nearly the same as in Germany! In Germany for 100 Euros, you can have one hour sex with a pretty girl, either private or brothels.

Always set up with the girls if you want a BBBJ, 69 and cunilingus. So it's easier then to argue and to get what you want and not to be ripped off. Some girls don't want to do BBBJ, only with condoms. Some don't like cunilingus.

About the apartments around Basseina, you usually get sex and only sex. If you want BBBJ, you will have to pay something more. You can sometimes get a Cunilingus for free and sometimes they don't want even if you pay for that. It really depends on the girls, they decide want they want to do.

Just arrived in Kiev today. Am staying at a decent place near Holosiivska park.

Had contacted several women on a site called TravelGirls before (I found Mamba far too hit and miss). Some of the women were pros, some semi-pros. Made contact with them again on arrival. One suggested a friend of hers, who turned up on time at the agreed spot outside my apart hotel. It was the girl in the photos alright. So far, so good. We had agreed $150 for the whole night.

The girl in question, Alina, had a stunning figure, and she is also a gymnast (works in a circus). The BBBJ was phenomenal, with CIM (went to the bathroom to spit discreetly). But then the ripoff scheme started. I went out for a minute, and when I came back, she was crying; apparently her sister had some kind of altercation with her boyfriend and had to be taken to hospital etc. I smelled a rat, and waited patiently just being supportive. Finally she said she wanted to go, and that she'd be back in a couple of hours. I said "Okay, but give me some of the money back. If you come back as promised, I'll give it to you again". Long story short: she cried, said she wanted to call the police, pretended to be angry, opened the window saying she'd jump, etc. I locked her in the room and went to speak with the apartment owner. He said this is quite common, but he could not do anything really as the police would be no help. So I went back to the room, talked some sense into her and said I wanted to see her again, take her travelling etc, so she returned $50 (unhappily) saying she'd come back later. I suspected she might not, and she hasn't. So far. So I ended up spending $100 for an hour and half, and though its much more than what the forum experts suggested of $100 or so for the night, at least I got something for it! Shall be more careful in the future, and make it clear even before meeting up that I will only pay half upfront and half in the morning. Took a picture of her in the buff (with her permission of course). Just look at that body!

Thanks to this forum, I was already aware of what rates to pay, rather than the $300 to $400 girls tried to demand until I said I already knew $100 was a very good price for a day, and $400 for a week. That brings them down to reasonable prices.

One sensible precaution I took was that I booked another separate room for my fun (no problem at $20! All my money and valuables were in the other room, some locked away, some hidden, etc. The 'fun' room had absolutely nothing of value, and I also kept just a few extra UAH on my person, in case she decided to rifle through my clothes while I was in the bathroom etc.

So, my advice: enjoy, but also be careful.

I recently had a protracted correspondence with a girl on Ladadate which came to nothing after much expense (although I must say that Ladadate were very good in refunding all the money I had paid them for sending letters and getting the girls contact details. I had explained to the girl my desire to be a Sugar Daddy and after a bit of exciting to and frying she had sort of agreed to try it out, but when it came to phoning, the info. Given did not connect. Either this was a case of cold feet or you can draw your own conclusions. I am now trying Russian Women Personals. Which is very costly, although several of the young ladies seem, after some polite inquiries, to be interested in exploring my proposal and I am wondering if others have been down this route and have experiences to share.

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[QUOTE=MarioVeneto;1756810]Hi.

I am in Kiev and found out a website called relaxportal. Biz which has pro and non pros starting from 400 UAH (20 $).

Has anyone had any experience with this website?

Thanks.

Mario.[/QUOTE]

My second day in Kiev:

It's my first time in Kiev and I didn't know it's such an awesome city. Great hotels, great food for so little money.

The weather is hot: 30 see and it's unbelievable to see such an important concentration of pretty girls in one city.

The country and his economy has suffered a lot. I was told that one year ago 10 grivna=1 $ today 20 grivna =1 $.

The monthly salary of a freshly graduated biologist with master degree is 150 $ per month!

In these conditions I am not surprised by the scams.

I called a couple of girls from the relax portal. Most of them don't speak English and are available after 6 pm.

Regarding the pictures they all admitted that the pictures are not real and there are 'typical photos'.

In Poland I had very bad experience with odloty. Pl and all fake pictures so I preferred not to take the risk.

Instead I am working on non pros I met on Tinder. They aren't the youngest but seem to be curious meeting me.

I will keep you posted.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1757213]Just had sex with a mamba girl. Damage: 1000 UAH for 2 hours sex, BBBJ, cunilingus. 69 was foreseen, but she didn't want it. The general service was good, so she gets a 30 % tip, what she was also aware before the meeting and so try to perform well. Not a 10, not a top notch girl, but quite pretty, around 22, and she knew how to take care of me. It might be the possibility to get a good tip, that makes her giving me a good service. She knew that I could give her only 1000 UAH.

Of course quite many mambas girls start at 150 $ for 1 hour or 2 hours. Do they look really better? Will they service be ok? Not sure. The best is to start low and not to agree with these prices similar to Germany. What's the point to come to Ukraine, if you pay nearly the same as in Germany! In Germany for 100 Euros, you can have one hour sex with a pretty girl, either private or brothels.

Always set up with the girls if you want a BBBJ, 69 and cunilingus. So it's easier then to argue and to get what you want and not to be ripped off. Some girls don't want to do BBBJ, only with condoms. Some don't like cunilingus.

About the apartments around Basseina, you usually get sex and only sex. If you want BBBJ, you will have to pay something more. You can sometimes get a Cunilingus for free and sometimes they don't want even if you pay for that. It really depends on the girls, they decide want they want to do.[/QUOTE]Why would any girls not want cunnilingus? I have been wondering if it's because they do not want us to look at their pussy carefully because they have some sort of disease. Has anybody thought about this?

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1757422]Why would any girls not want cunnilingus? I have been wondering if it's because they do not want us to look at their pussy carefully because they have some sort of disease. Has anybody thought about this?[/QUOTE]I think it's important to remember that this is human beings after all. I don't think most of them really enjoys most of their encounters even if they're good performers / actors and have chosen to do this themselves. Having some one you don't know, and probably don't find attractive either, licking you may cause some disgust. In the end it's their choice to make and their decision.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1757422]Why would any girls not want cunnilingus? I have been wondering if it's because they do not want us to look at their pussy carefully because they have some sort of disease. Has anybody thought about this?[/QUOTE]Well that's the second time that happens to me in Kiev. One girl told me she didn't like that, she didn't like to be licked.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1757560]Well that's the second time that happens to me in Kiev. One girl told me she didn't like that, she didn't like to be licked.[/QUOTE]There are a number of girls that find it embarrassing, and I think that's especially true in Eastern Europe. I had a couple of Polish girlfriends (real girlfriends, totally not pros) that admitted to liking cunnilingus but were nervous about getting it. A lot of them worry it might smell, even if hygiene is impeccable. A lot of them just need a little time to warm up. If you click with a girl and meet her a second and third time, she might agree. While Edwald makes a valid point about it being unpleasant work for many of them, I don't see why receiving oral sex would be any more unpleasant for them than giving it.

Thanks so much for all of you who have shared with us their experiences. I hope to ad my own very shortly.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1757422]Why would any girls not want cunnilingus? I have been wondering if it's because they do not want us to look at their pussy carefully because they have some sort of disease. Has anybody thought about this?[/QUOTE]Some girls just don't understand the risk associated with this type of fluid exchange and simply choose not to allow it. Could be a boyfriend setting limits or she really doesn't like it.

Interesting you mention diseased pussies. Just the other month, I had a situation. After rubbing some Polish girls funk all over my junk, I went down to have a taste. Suddenly noticed cryotherapy burns around her vagina. I've been waiting for weeks now for some huge wart to burst out of my dick. Fortunately, nothing yet.

After my strange but enjoyable experience yesterday (see earlier post in Kiev thread), I had a couple of good experiences today.

The first was a massage parlour called Salon Dolly. Look it up on Google to find the site. The girl on the phone speaks okay English. I spent an hour with Sonya, who is 19. Beautiful figure and face, smiley and friendly. Her English is very limited though. A couple of the other girls there did not appeal to me; one looked miserable, and the other was not very attractive. Sonya also arrived at the flat to start her shift just as I rang the doorbell, so we had already said Hello, before I chose the one hour, 500 UAH option. It included a very good body massage (Sonya's technique is really good. Perfect balance between soft and strong), followed by an oily body to body massage (back and front), and finally some genital massage with her hands. I think she wanted me to cum in the time allocated, but I wasn't really looking for 'release', just pleasure, so I asked her to continue the massage till the time ran out. It was interesting trying to get her to understand that though! If I had tried to tell her about Tantra and how pleasure can be prolonged without ejaculation, I think we'd still be there.

There is a 'kissing' option, but it means you can kiss the girl on some parts of her body, by the way. Not the lips or at the why. And besides, she had oil all over her body halfway through the massage. Just be aware of this in case you choose that option, and if you wish to kiss, do it before she gets oil all over herself.

I tipped Sonya 50 UAH because she was very sweet and happy throughout. There is also a shower / jacuzzi you can use (alone). I used it before as it was a hot day, and after to get the oil off. The parlour works from 12 noon until 4 am, and they can visit you for a small, reasonable taxi charge of 70 UAH.

The second experience was with a girl I had made friend with on the Travel Girls site. Very friendly; had just come back from a two week vacation in Italy and came out soon after to meet me. We met at Maidan, and she took me around some of the interesting sights in the area. It was really nice to spend time with a friendly and happy woman showing me her city, her old school, the house where she grew up and so on. I took her out for dinner at a nice Italian place in Khreschatyk, and we plan to meet again tomorrow.

And yes, as everyone has said so many times before. There is much eye candy on the streets of Kiev in the summer. Bliss!

[QUOTE=AColonizer;1757331]Contact me by PM.[/QUOTE]I met five girls from Relaxportal about a month ago over the course of an extended week in Odessa.

Anything is possible here. Photos are in general not correct, but that does not mean that the girl who shows up is not possibly very pretty.

First girl was not the slim blonde, but in fact quite curvy. But she was somehow pretty, and very lewd. Cost including OWO 1300 UAH.

Second girl was extremely cute, but new to the business and strictly offering everything with condom, even BJ. She was passionate, and arousable. 1000 UAH.

Third girl was young, quite good looking, but strictly professional, I. E. A little detached. 1000 UAH.

Fourth girl was fat. 1000 UAH, wasted.

Fifth girl was pretty, nice tan lines, a little bit on the chubby side, but very good service. She offered OWO for extra 300, had a thing for deep throat, and gave the best finish.

What I am saying: Relaxportal is very much hit and miss, but for roughly 50 to 60 dollars per hour (including the bonus for OWO, otherwise it is rather 40 dollars) this can be a worthwhile game.

I am sure it will be not too different in Kyiv, where I never called Relaxportal specifically, but similar agencies with similar results.

[QUOTE=Volpone;1757560]Well that's the second time that happens to me in Kiev. One girl told me she didn't like that, she didn't like to be licked.[/QUOTE]There is definite risk of following STI.

Chlamydia.

Herpes (type 1 and type 2).

Genital warts.

Gonorrhoea.

Hepatitis A, hepatitis be and hepatitis see.

HIV.

Syphilis.

Some women don't like the intensity of oral sex.

Probably most men have not mastered the art and going straight for clitoris without foreplay is not welcomed.

For many women this is business and they do not want to feel intimacy with men they don't like.

[QUOTE=GlobalSurfer;1757742]There is definite risk of following STI.

Chlamydia.

Herpes (type 1 and type 2).

Genital warts.

Gonorrhoea.

Hepatitis A, hepatitis be and hepatitis see.

HIV.

Syphilis.

Some women don't like the intensity of oral sex.

Probably most men have not mastered the art and going straight for clitoris without foreplay is not welcomed.

For many women this is business and they do not want to feel intimacy with men they don't like.[/QUOTE]

On this topic I'd like to also mention some girls who insist on dimming the light in the room before sex. Why do they do that? I'm inclined to think that they have some disease around genitalia. Not that I have discovered any disease. In any case when they insist, I definitely do not allow it.

The same thing happens when you visit apartments or even massage parlors. A lot of time the girls are presented in dark rooms, right? Why? They don't want us to see how ugly they are? For this reason I carry a flash light.

I'm a little baffled.

I have also noticed that ISG now has an ad for "Scroguard" on this very page.

[QUOTE=SilverFox2015;1756086]What if I want to marry one and bring her back to Miami? I'm 50 by the way, but have a good job as a dentist and keep in decent shape.[/QUOTE]I also go to have fun, but I always leave open the possibility of a long term relationships. In terms of sexual chemistry, a LTR with an Ukrainian woman is better than most relationships I have had with North American women since I was a teenager.

I would say that you have a very good chance. They imagine Miami to be like in the movies and TV. The hard thing would be separating the ones that like you for you from the ones that like you for your money, Miami, and possibly a green card. Do you plan her to work, be a mum, or just hang out at the beach? How will you feel if she cheats on you?

I would say you should try the more serious dating sites, like Elena's, and plan at least 3 vacations, every 3 or 4 moths. The first one to figure it out and meet a few girls, the next two to solidify your options, and then bring one over. If you play your cards well, you can meet a fellow dentist, medical doctor, pharmacists, or assistant who can even work with you and bring a little beauty to your practice.

Good luck!