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[QUOTE=Drbombay;2510451]Trump bans flights from China and automatically he's labeled a xenophobe, racist, etc.[/QUOTE]Question: When is a travel ban not a travel ban?

Answer: When trump issues one.

I wish just 1 trump supporter would read what trump's China travel ban really banned. Did it ban flights from Taiwan? NOPE. Did it ban flights from Hong Kong? Nope. Did it ban Americans from returning from China? Nope. Did it require testing and quarantine of any of the returnees? Nope.

So what you are saying is that the virus was really smart. The virus could tell if someone was from Hong Kong and had spent time with an infected person from Wuhan yet choose not to infect that person. The virus could read passports and not infect any of the people mentioned above. Seriously?

In reality, hundreds, if not thousands, of infected Chinese or Americans entered the US during the travel "ban".

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2510731]Question: When is a travel ban not a travel ban?

Answer: When trump issues one.

I wish just 1 trump supporter would read what trump's China travel ban really banned. Did it ban flights from Taiwan? NOPE. Did it ban flights from Hong Kong? Nope. Did it ban Americans from returning from China? Nope. Did it require testing and quarantine of any of the returnees? Nope.

So what you are saying is that the virus was really smart. The virus could tell if someone was from Hong Kong and had spent time with an infected person from Wuhan yet choose not to infect that person. The virus could read passports and not infect any of the people mentioned above. Seriously?

In reality, hundreds, if not thousands, of infected Chinese or Americans entered the US during the travel "ban".[/QUOTE]Kinda shows your ignorance when you think Taiwan and Hong Kong are China.

Trump, according to Der Spiegel, one of Europe's biggest news magazines. Trump's presidency ends as it began: Without decency and without dignity," Der Spiegel declared. To make matters worse, Biden and Harris were named Time Magazine's person of the year. To add insult to injury, hours ago the Supreme Court denied a bid by Texas / Trump to overturn 2020 election, this was likely his last challenge. Do not despair MAGA lovers, wait for the show in 2024 in the republican primaries, Trump versus Pence and the rest of the field, and the winner will be?

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-loser-of-the-year-der-spiegel-magazine-time-2020-12[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beans5;2510838]Kinda shows your ignorance when you think Taiwan and Hong Kong are China.[/QUOTE]Really? Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". The PRC considers the island of Taiwan is a province of the PRC.

Both places are inhabited by Chinese people but maybe you didn't know that. In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

But, as usual, you fail to see the overall point. That it was EXTREMELY likely that an infected person from Wuhan infected a traveler from HK or Taiwan who was able to travel to the US. So the ban was useless.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2510876]Trump, according to Der Spiegel, one of Europe's biggest news magazines. Trump's presidency ends as it began: Without decency and without dignity," Der Spiegel declared. To make matters worse, Biden and Harris were named Time Magazine's person of the year. To add insult to injury, hours ago the Supreme Court denied a bid by Texas / Trump to overturn 2020 election, this was likely his last challenge. Do not despair MAGA lovers, wait for the show in 2024 in the republican primaries, Trump versus Pence and the rest of the field, and the winner will be?

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-loser-of-the-year-der-spiegel-magazine-time-2020-12[/URL][/QUOTE]Losses all over the place! Including the election itself. And if the GOP is stupid enough to make Trump their nominee in 2024, then he will lose again by an even wider margin, like 14 million in the popular vote, which will add up to a landslide electoral vote loss. But if and until then, as long as he's out if the White House, he's "their" problem. They made a deal with the devil. Now live with it.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2511008]Really? Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". The PRC considers the island of Taiwan is a province of the PRC.

Both places are inhabited by Chinese people but maybe you didn't know that. In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

But, as usual, you fail to see the overall point. That it was EXTREMELY likely that an infected person from Wuhan infected a traveler from HK or Taiwan who was able to travel to the US. So the ban was useless.[/QUOTE]PV Monger, Trump didn't ban Chinese people, just folks coming from those areas. If you would have remembered, there were some none "Chinese" Americans who were caught up and one had to fly all the way to Omaha to some high level trauma center or they were in quarantine and the old March AFB in CA. The people of Taiwan actually did a much better job at handling the virus than their cousins on the mainland PRC, but you wouldn't hear about that since the WHO is bought and paid for by the PRC. When they were trying to get a conference together among scientists on this issue those from Taiwan were not invited at the behest of the PRC. Also you might want to see where the people from Wuhan traveled to, a lot to places like Italy where you can see what happened there.

I would like for you to go stand in the middle of Taipei and tell them that they are members of the PRC and see how fast you would be standing there. Why do you think we just sold them some arms and the PRC is mad.

But again, it's far easier to say "Orange Man Bad" and not lay blame where it belongs, with the folks in the PRC who put it out on the world, or by Nancy and the rest who up and said the reason why she didn't want to deal on relief but does so now is because of a new President, and the rest of the nation be damned as long as she got her way.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2511008]Really? Hong Kong is a "Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". The PRC considers the island of Taiwan is a province of the PRC.

Both places are inhabited by Chinese people but maybe you didn't know that. In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

But, as usual, you fail to see the overall point. That it was EXTREMELY likely that an infected person from Wuhan infected a traveler from HK or Taiwan who was able to travel to the US. So the ban was useless.[/QUOTE]Know-it-alls always react this way when they get their pride hurt publicly. You can't even tell the difference between Asians of different countries and you solidified you're mindset by assuming I couldn't either, which is pretty cheap of you anyhow.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2511008] In fact, I would guess that you would be unable to pick a "mainland Chinese" person out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.[/QUOTE]Unable? How about by rotten teeth, bad haircuts, ill-fitting and cheap tacky clothes? Or by seeing which ones are spitting, smoking, screaming and shouting at each other? And of course by getting a sight of them table cramming food into their gobs. Lots of ways to pick a "mainland Chinese" out of a group of HKers and Taiwanese.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2510876]Der Spiegel declared. To make matters worse, Biden and Harris were named Time Magazine's person of the year.[/QUOTE]These magazines weren't taking any chances it's a small window before this duo shows its true colors. What's taking these magazines so long to give them their peace prize? Better hurry like the committee did giving Obama a Nobel.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2511059]The people of Taiwan actually did a much better job at handling the virus than their cousins on the mainland PRC, but you wouldn't hear about that since the WHO is bought and paid for by the PRC.[/QUOTE]I knew about it, as did anyone who consumes news from legitimate sources. There has always been knowledge about how other countries and regions are doing regarding covid. What rock have you been under?

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2511059]But again, it's far easier to say "Orange Man Bad" and not lay blame where it belongs[/QUOTE]The blame correctly belongs to our Phatass Orange incompetent leader.

He lied to the public for MONTHS switching between calling Covid a hoax and a virus that was going to magically go away with warmer weather.

He slow-walked aid to the first affected blue states and has left the US with a void in leadership regarding proven spread reducers, like wearing masks.

He conducted superspreader rallies and events in battleground states that he lost, and at the White House, which he also lost.

He has kneecapped the CDC for at least five months as he has brought them to near silence when when should be guiding the public.

But worse than all of that, and very stupid and sinister, he has been encouraging and condoning civil disobedience and violent attacks against some state leaders for taking measures to slow Covid spread in their states. It is fucked up to not only fail to give leadership, but instead leave state to fend for themselves, and then work against what they chose to do.

Trump governance = Shit governance.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2511095]Unable? How about by rotten teeth, bad haircuts, ill-fitting and cheap tacky clothes? [/QUOTE]I thought that was true for most residents of China, Taiwan and Hong Kong?

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2511095]Or by seeing which ones are spitting, smoking, screaming and shouting at each other?[/QUOTE]Same comment again, no difference.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2511095]And of course by getting a sight of them table cramming food into their gobs.[/QUOTE]That's how you spot the Americans everywhere.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511054]Losses all over the place! Including the election itself. And if the GOP is stupid enough to make Trump their nominee in 2024, then he will lose again by an even wider margin, like 14 million in the popular vote, which will add up to a landslide electoral vote loss.[/QUOTE]Shhhh!

Don't tell those fools that.

Best they stay in their blissful, dark dreams.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2511054] And if the GOP is stupid enough to make Trump their nominee in 2024, then he will lose again by an even wider margin, like 14 million in the popular vote, which will add up to a landslide electoral vote loss.[/QUOTE]The GOP simply has no one who can or will stand up to Trump, they are all afraid of him which is one of the primary reason the odds are in his favor to be the nominee again in 24.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2511151]The GOP simply has no one who can or will stand up to Trump, they are all afraid of him which is one of the primary reason the odds are in his favor to be the nominee again in 24.[/QUOTE]Not going to happen. You heard it here first.

[QUOTE=RunMann;2511151]The GOP simply has no one who can or will stand up to Trump, they are all afraid of him which is one of the primary reason the odds are in his favor to be the nominee again in 24.[/QUOTE]After the way the Democrats National Committee annointed their presidential candidate the last two go-rounds, it's understandable you've forgotten there's such a thing as a primary election where, you know, the voters choose a candidate.