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[QUOTE=Jhack111; 1161140]I don't change partners as frequently as many here on this forum do which at least statistically reduces the risk. I can see the attraction of having very many sexual partners but I'm happy to stick with the same person as long as it is sexually exciting. I believe using condoms will make you switch partners more often for it to remain exciting. BBFS feels just so much better and a few girls here are so beautiful and good in the sack that I can bang them for months without getting bored.

Ask the girl if she is willing to go and get tested together with you. If she doesn't want to she is probably afraid of the outcome and this is reason enough to send her packing.

Make sure you have a clean bill of health with you when you arrive in Kenya as not to become the source of infection for someone else. A girl who isn't scared that you might infect her is a big NO NO too.

I'm aware of the counter arguments here, I. E. That there is an incubation period for most STIs, but check out the test kits that are meanwhile available. This is pretty good news for most of the STIs.[/QUOTE]You may not have many sexual partners, but what about your sexual partners! Once I saw an African 'couple' fucking on a table in Casaurina, later the same girl goes in a taxi with a mzungu, the guy was back dancing with another girl after refreshing in the toilets.

Man. 12 years? Lucky basterd.

A test is only reliable after three months being with the same partner, good that it works for you, but to advise to mongerers who wand to live a long life on a forum?

[QUOTE=Expat Kenya;1161161]...A test is only reliable after three months being with the same partner, good that it works for you, but to advise to mongerers who wand to live a long life on a forum?[/QUOTE]I'm not giving advise to fellow mongers, just reporting my experience and practice which I think is still in line with the general ambition of this forum.

[QUOTE=Expat Kenya;1161161]...You may not have many sexual partners, but what about your sexual partners...[/QUOTE]Given that many people are actually infected by their long-term partners or wives you could argue that you can never have unprotected sex again. You never know what your partner does whether she is a WG or a WAG.

Please keep in mind that most STIs can also be transmitted via BBBJ and almost everyone on this forum engages in this kind of activity.

As you can not make assumptions on partners based on profession, looks, age, religion, race, wealth etc, you can only follow common sense and try to eliminate some obvious risk factors.

Regular testing is still the best way to make sure that you can do something in a timely manner in case you catch something.

I always had the sense that there is a lot of dishonesty associated with this topic and that many guys practise it but profess otherwise. The recent "confessions" by a few members are hopefully indicative of a sea change in the making.

For whatever it is worth: I have lived a heavily promiscuous life for the last 12 years or so, the first 8 in the US and Canada, the last 4 mostly in Kenya. My batting order in America consisted of the same girl in the same city whenever I was visiting (and I traveled a lot from coast to coast for 25 years) , usually for a few years at a time before a change was made, and I usually had 5 to 8 simultaneous BBFS relationships on the go. All these girls were professional SP's of the elite class commanding beween $200 / hr (Montreal) to $700 for SoCal. The worst I ever caught from any of them was a common cold

(got to go, will be continued when the coast is clear)

[QUOTE=Pedro Chilli; 1161040]Headed over there myself in a couple of weeks. Made a few posts on ISG five or six years ago re Malindi. Havnt been back since but would appreciate an update.

When I was there I had a good time. Girls can be found everywhere in Kenya without too much dificulty. The main problem, for me, is the lack of affordable decent accomodation.

Cheers Pedro[/QUOTE]I stay there in January 2011, small selection of Girls, Prices higher then in Mtwapa / Bamburi.

Malindi its only a option when you from Italy and you like to stay togehter with your fellow countrymann.

Since arriving in Kenya about 4 yrs ago, I've had many serial relationships, often concurrent ones, most with semi-pros (but a few with fulltime pros as well) which sooner or later led to BBFS, many at A level.

The only thing I ever caught was what my dermatologist called candida (incidentally : from a non-pro!) and head lice (from the bed in room 103 at Safari Inn ).

I am in my late 60's, circumcised, athletic (golf and sailing) eat lean cuisine and lots of fruits and drink good red wine and make sure my hep shots are up to date. Before I cuddle with somebody new, I must be stimulated visually as well as intellectually (you might be surprised how philosophical some WG's are) , and ensure that her hygiene is top notch. Maybe those selection criteria have helped to keep me safe?

Or maybe I've just been lucky as hell? Or is it possible that somebody makes a good living out of exaggerating the risks? Consider as well that in Germany, with a legallized prostitution industry, there are quite a few AO clubs which feature the same girls for several years at a go. I've heard that the risk of M / F transmission is far greater than F / M.

Anyhow, even if it can be reasoned convincingly that the risk for a hetero guy is very small : it is still a crap shot!

Statistics are manufactured by people to support the message they intend to convey. If you categorise cause of death by behavioural patterns it is way more likely to die from the consequences of smoking, alcohol or bad dietary habits than from what is deemed risky sexual behaviour.

Is it more enjoyable to die from cancer, cardiac failure or stroke? It appears to be buy the daily choices people are making in our societies. But talk to them on the death bed and you see a change of heart.

I just turned 50, like LH am athletic, have always kept fit (active runner, cyclist, triathlete) , and eat a very healthy diet. I keep on top of my health to do the best I can to live long. The distribution of risks in my life is towards the sexual area and it is an intentional choice as I wish to enjoy my sexual life to the fullest.

I personally believe that risks are exaggerated by far. I'm not willing to be intimidated by a massive international campaign that originates in the mind of people in countries where prostitution and promiscuity are frowned upon

[QUOTE=Jhack111;1163078]Statistics are manufactured by people to support the message they intend to convey. If you categorise cause of death by behavioural patterns it is way more likely to die from the consequences of smoking, alcohol or bad dietary habits than from what is deemed risky sexual behaviour.[/QUOTE]The best chance to die is to smoke, drink, have bad dietary habits. This may kill you only. To increase the chance to die faster you can have unprotected sex, preferable with many sexual partners so, despite that they do or do not smoke, drink, have bad dietary habits, as a bonus on death you can kill them too.

[QUOTE=Jhack111;1163078]Is it more enjoyable to die from cancer, cardiac failure or stroke?[/QUOTE]Is it enjoyable to die at all?

[QUOTE=Jhack111;1163078]I just turned 50, like LH am athletic, have always kept fit (active runner, cyclist, triathlete) , and eat a very healthy diet.[/QUOTE]The partners you infect are 20 to 35, may have responsibilities of small children, enjoy very little and expensive healthcare in a 3rd world country.

Its not all about you Jhack, its about your sexual partners and fellow mongerers too.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Jhack111;1163078]Statistics are manufactured by people to support the message they intend to convey.[/QUOTE]We were taught in "Introduction to Statistics" in Economics 101 already that " liers figure and figures lie ".

Hope you feel good about the choices you make for yourself; I know I do.

[QUOTE=Expat Kenya;1163161]...The partners you infect are 20 to 35, may have responsibilities of small children, enjoy very little and expensive healthcare in a 3rd world country...[/QUOTE]I understand your point Expat, but first of all how am I going to infect them if I am free of disease? Secondly, I don't like stereotypes. There is excellent health care available in Kenya. Due to cost it is just not available to anyone but the same is true for many countries and has long been a reality in the US too. I have never refused any of my long terms anything that was clearly needed, health care included. If one them needed emergency health care in an upmarket Nairobi hospital I would most certainly be willing to provide. This is just a simple act of humanity.

[QUOTE=Expat Kenya;1163161]...Its not all about you Jhack, its about your sexual partners and fellow mongerers too...[/QUOTE]I do care about my sexual partners, that's why I stay with them for long enough that testing makes sense. I'd never infect anyone and I'll make sure of that by keeping on top of my status. The test kits available today are incredibly fast and accurate and you don't have to wait 3 months anymore. In respect of my fellow mongers. What risk do they take if they insist on protection?

No test in this world. Whether after 8 days nor after 3 months. Is a guarantee. Tests will always have false negatives and false positives, but the accuracy that has been achieved today is good enough for me to accept the residual risk that remains.

Unless you take the AIDS for the virus rather than for the anti-bodies, you can be HIV+ and still test negative up to 16 weeks after being infected. Unless you and your partner are prepared to not have sex with anyone else for that 16 week period, there is always a risk of getting infected / infecting your partner.

The chance that this happens is: (the chance that I have HIV) multiplied by (the chance that I transfer the HIV virus to a lady while not using condoms) multiplied by (the chance that the lady get pregnant by me) multiplied by (the chance that the virus is transferred to the baby) multiplied by (the chance that the mother dies)

This seems to be a very very small chance to me, why should I adapt my lifestyle to this? You also don't adapt your current lifestyle by spending a lot of money due to the possibility that you can win the lottery in future do you?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Expat Kenya; 1159486]Thats the point why malayas wand to have unprotected sex, getting pregnant and have a mzungu financially and emotional attached to the child and its mom.

Protected or unprotected is your own choice. However, I think its morally not very correct because the ladies wand to get pregnant, there're desperate, and you might be spreading a cause of death which other don't choose for. Its possible for an infected women to give birth without the baby being infected. Are we going to Kenya for fun or producing orphans? [/QUOTE]

BTW I all suggest you to download and watch the movie "House of Numbers Anatomy of an Epidemic" (2009). It's the best documentary about HIV. AIDS ever made.

You can find it on The Pirate Bay

Hi guys.

I read in this thread about "Malayas". Waht does it mean?

Blackypop

I believe everyone has the right to make their own choices. This is true for every area of your personal life including sex. It is not against the spirit of the forum to express personal choices. I've expressed my choices in favour of BBFS and explained why. I can understand why others make different choices and what their rationale is.

What I don't understand is how people take the liberty to insult or criticise others for not following what they consider safe sex practices. As the forum rules clearly state such posts are reserved for a special forum which is called safe sex.

Therefore let's just agree to disagree. I have no problem with the mongers using condoms and I won't go out of my way to criticise them. So anyone who doesn't agree with my BBFS preference please feel free to express your continued disagreement but please refrain from criticising or insulting statements

[QUOTE=Woef Woef; 1164435]BTW I all suggest you to download and watch the movie "House of Numbers Anatomy of an Epidemic" (2009). It's the best documentary about HIV. AIDS ever made.

You can find it on The Pirate Bay[/QUOTE]Thanks for the link. Very interested to watch this over the next few days. Another interesting link is this one [url]http://www.rethinkingaids.com/[/url]