FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[QUOTE=Optimist;2155993]Three days in Venus and still queues of men for Erica and Andrea, the two newest, young slim members. What has happened to make these clubs so popular?[/QUOTE]It's called fresh meat! We all want variety in life & it's no different when visiting the clubs. This happens in all the clubs! When the 2 identical twins first showed up at GT (10 yrs ago or whatever the exact date) there were guys fighting & arguing who was next. They were new & identical twins!

Once you checked off your list of "I experienced receiving double BJ from twins" they were not busy anymore. Service was barely average & they were cute in their own way & not exactly slim. Once the novelty wore off they ended up sitting on the stools collecting dust until a newbie showed up.

For some strange reason Venus is always packed. Not sure why as there's plenty of options in the NRW. Dietz is only busy because there's nothing else remotely close in the Hessen area.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2156047]It's called fresh meat! We all want variety in life & it's no different when visiting the clubs. This happens in all the clubs! When the 2 identical twins first showed up at GT (10 yrs ago or whatever the exact date) there were guys fighting & arguing who was next. They were new & identical twins!

Once you checked off your list of "I experienced receiving double BJ from twins" they were not busy anymore. Service was barely average & they were cute in their own way & not exactly slim. Once the novelty wore off they ended up sitting on the stools collecting dust until a newbie showed up.

For some strange reason Venus is always packed. Not sure why as there's plenty of options in the NRW. Dietz is only busy because there's nothing else remotely close in the Hessen area.[/QUOTE]Vito. I was assuming it was the fresh face syndrome playing in. But putting this aside, the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days. KK recently reported Dietzenbach much busier than he had seen in previous months.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156154]Vito. I was assuming it was the fresh face syndrome playing in. But putting this aside, the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days. KK recently reported Dietzenbach much busier than he had seen in previous months.[/QUOTE]Yes. You're correct. Grimberg was also packed like sardines. F39 was dead during the day as it was 20€ entry till 8 pm. From 8 pm 10€ entry & it became very busy till midnight. Dietz feels like it's busy because Anna & Sara (not there anymore) would disappear up stairs for hours or hangout with Alice at reception diddling themselves. I skipped the place the past 3 trips since September so I really don't know.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156154] the numbers of men were on my four RTC visits way way above anything I have seen. Maybe it was just I caught a busy few days[/QUOTE]I would have a theory: since the bloody law came on last July, and with the "endorsement" of this January, in all clubs (also non-RTCs) even the basic offers like BBBJ have gone down. Some girls use this excuse to turn down customers which they don't want. So in RTCs you have better expectations and anyway lower price to pay. Not everybody wanted to fuck AO, but I reckon 99% of customers wanted BBBJ. I was in LuderLOUNGE (Dortmund) a couple of weeks ago, a normal club, I will probably post something if I find the thread and the time. I was a foreigner, a first timer, and the question about that was caught and dealt with with panic, sweat and astonished eyes, eyes which had been used to do it for several years with a smile and without any request.

About Venus being overcrowded: in my opinion the main reason is Barbara (yes, the theke). Venus is pratically the only RTC club which nearly never has a happy hour. If it has it, it is in the evening and lasts hardly a week. Last time was a few weeks ago, and I don't even recall the previous time. Verena, Romantika, F39, Luderland are on constant HH, morning and evening, even until 2 pm, and sometimes empty in spite of that. Even Grimberg and Arabella have sometimes HH for a longer or shorter period, but Venus doesn't.

Apart from a larger turnover in last couple of years and an average higher number of girls available, and with good looks and skills, Barbara runs it how it should be run, even excessively, we might say in the "highest way" you would expect in Germany. She is tough, sometimes too much, but has everything under control and keeps the order, she makes sure the girls do what they are supposed to do: in Venus girls don't disappear, less than ever for ages, don't hide, are always available in good number (I mean that they don't go to eat all together leaving the club empty), they have to observe time, it is really difficult that they refuse someone and they will have to justify with trouble (while in Grimberg there seems to be a competition or prize among Emanuela, Antonia, Katy, etc., as also DMD2017 observed, for the girl who refuses more customers, and thekes don't mind or laugh), etc.
Just one example: some 10 days ago a customer and a girl came down after hardly 15 minutes, the man shily said a couple of words and Barbara exploded. The energy released, like a bomb, lifted and pushed them back upstairs. I felt pity for the girl who had terror in her eyes, and when the interpreters translated the problem to her she was like in trance.

Also, I "suppose" that in Venus a customers doesn't have to worry too much about what's on offer and at which price. In the other clubs you are likely to face surcharges, limitations, refusals, etc. For instance, in Luderland, I selected 3 girls who were new and fuckable for me, only one of them agreed to the "standards", and it was on our second room. One of her friends even asked for 20 euros more, I answered that I normally expect extra time and / or a discount (especially for rooms of one hour) on top of the due service. In Verena there was probably the best of looks (due to 2-3 girls), but various "obstacles" were on the way.

Now more than ever, anyway, it depends on you what you might get and at which conditions. I would say apart from Venus, at least when Barbara is theke..

As to Dietz, my last visit was about one year ago. Girls, like in Grimberg, are more or less the same ones since ages. I wrote more than once that their luck is that they have no competition in their "department", because, generally speaking, nor the looks nor the service are that good to me. But I am glad some people are happy. And surprised that one of them is the vaccinated not-beginner Optimist.

Just my opinions.

EG. Dead right. When a stranger enters there is a flicker of fear through a club. I was spared this when they realised I was a genuine foreigner.

Barbara may seem unfriendly but she was friendly to me from the second day, remembering my name.

Generally I think your points are correct.

She's always been nice to me since her days at Arabella years ago. Yes EG, she even made a plate for me many times at Venus.

They need a Barbara type at Grimberg to keep Kathy from sweet to on the rag & Antonia to sit around refusing clients hiding volleyball ting dust on the couch.

Dietz was really great when the old German Tina was running it. None of the BS crap that currently goes on. Ordering lunch took 10-15 minutes. Eating lunch & washing about the same amount. No diddling themselves goofing off at the reception. Then I a retired & helped out on Tina's off days. Then Tina was gone & Ina was there most days with Milena working on Ina's off days.

Once Alice took over it's been a fucking joke at Dietz. All the good girls have left & just the leftovers that look like someone wiped their asses with are left. Anna still looks good but the the the the the that's all folks!

I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.

You reach it either by car or by tram to Amsterdammer Strasse and then 20 minute walk (or bus 910), ending up in a large commercial area, which outside business hours is almost totally deserted. Hence the ghosts which sometimes break car windows at night.

Normal entry procedure, press bell, wait to be buzzed in, the door opens and a girl hiding behind the door so as not to be seen, presents you with a towel. You then pay 30 euros to the woman behind the counter, Barbara, who gives you two keys, one for the downstairs clothes locker, and one for the upstairs valuable small locker (just behind you on the left). All the girls will by now have checked you out. Barbara appears unyielding at first, but is very pleasant once you are known not to be an idiot.

You change downstairs (after getting the key you retrace your steps towards the entrance). Of you are lucky you will not notice any worn carpet or faded dreams. Downstairs is also a sauna, showers, and a couple of ancient couches where men often relax. It is dark and dingy. The showers mostly work, and are probably cleaned sometime, maybe on New Year's Day, and the Lord's Ascension.

Returning upstairs you will find that there are some cheap pastries on the counter, and two machines for water, cola etc, plus a jug of coffee. The toilet is just past the machines turn left round a corner. There is also a small outside area at this end of the club, and also a room where the girls eat.

Everybody will have been noting you since the girls are not allowed to approach. The club is basically one main room with three rows of couches, four couches in each row, plus couches against the side walls. There is a wall within this room which obscures some couches. Everybody as a result is facing forward, with most girls sitting at the front and on the couches in the main part of the room. If like most men you go to one of the obscured couches or at the back, you get a good view of the backs of the girls heads. I get round this either by sitting on a girl's couch while she is away in a room, or by loitering at the front of the room. Some men reserve the popular girls by sitting on their couches waiting for them to return from a room.

The girls are pleasant but there is little scope for passing them while they are walking, as they rarely move, except to go to a room, to open the front door, or to deal with the washing of the towels.

The music is to my mind miserable, but some people like the anodyne nature of very middle of the road stuff.

So a very quiet atmosphere.

The most popular girl at the moment is new Erica, slim, nice face, always busy, and even when she is not in a room, she is active, doing makeup, walking off to the girls' room and back. Full of energy. There is nothing not to like about her. And like all the girls in the club she charges 30 for 25 minutes, and 70 for an hour. Maybe she has about 20 customers a day.

Ana is super slim and also nice looking. Good service, but limited kissing.

Andrea is tiny and slim, and very reserved in the room, limited kissing, limited conversation, and one of the worst blowjobs I have ever had. But for 30 euros.

Alexia is slim also and does DFK and all the same services as the other girls. She has more of a personality on show, and can be a reasonable conversationalist also. She is also very busy. I found it hard to finish with her but she like all the other girls was willing to be fucked deeply and for a good length of time, which is not the case in all clubs.

Overall it is really good value, but the girls do have a tendency to be a bit unadventurous (unsurprisingly given how busy they are). All my girls did blowjobs, DATY, change of positions, and did their best. I chose the optically best girls, and I know that more lively service can be had with some of the other girls. To my chagrin I have to admit total defeat on getting any of the girls to have orgasm. The experience was good enough for me to have repeat sessions with some girls over three days.

As already mentioned I have never seen this club so busy as it now is. I had not been since well before July 2017 and was surprised that a cold snowy icy March saw the club to be so busy with men. There were about 14 girls (I think) and four were very slim, two or three quite slim, and none grossly fat. In ratio terms that is pretty much up with many big clubs. Often there were maybe 8 or 9 men in the main room and maybe five girls (the least popular ones of course).

A word of warning. Although the closing time is midnight or later, you might find yourself evicted along with other guests any time after 21.30. The girls work very long hours so when the club is quiet, or if the girls are very tired, the club will close to look after the girls.

So, typical Red Carpet Club, but without the family illusion at Dietzenbach and without the pot luck spikes of fun (and depression) at La Luna. It is very hard to spend all day here as there is no change of scene and no food (though you can order in pizza and go out to eat and return).

Cheap, and good value. I was a little disappointed as I had lost my Queen from Dietzenbach (to use Kosher Kowboy's terminology) and unsurprisingly did not find anyone I liked as much.

Vito. I guess Alice Theke at Dietzenbach took against you: she can be temperamental. She has always been very nice with me, and even laughs at my pathetic witticisms. I think you are hard on the girls looks. I would say they have been reasonable, with at least five I was ok with (and you know I am very picky for slim girls). I read that the new girls at Diezenbach include Diana from Venus. You are right about he girls disappearing off, but I don't mind that: they do better work for being able to pace themselves, but there are ways round it (approaching them as they fly by, or checking in advance when they will be eating, resting and so on). It is however disastrous if one does not have many hours to spare.

Anyway, we all have different experiences and good or bad luck.

I know there is a dedicated thread, but this came up here.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156752]I thought I ought to do a "basics" report. Apologies for all those familiar with the club.
.[/QUOTE]Excellent great report Optimist.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156756]Vito. I guess Alice Theke at Dietzenbach took against you: she can be temperamental. She has always been very nice with me, and even laughs at my pathetic witticisms. I think you are hard on the girls looks. I would say they have been reasonable, with at least five I was ok with (and you know I am very picky for slim girls). I read that the new girls at Diezenbach include Diana from Venus. You are right about he girls disappearing off, but I don't mind that: they do better work for being able to pace themselves, but there are ways round it (approaching them as they fly by, or checking in advance when they will be eating, resting and so on). It is however disastrous if one does not have many hours to spare.

Anyway, we all have different experiences and good or bad luck.

I know there is a dedicated thread, but this came up here.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I like Alice & I've known her since she was a fresh 18 yr old hottie at Grimberg. Those were the days when club prices changed hourly! She does her job behind the desk, but lets the girls do whatever they want. They need a Barbara type to run things. Some people might enjoy waiting around all day or just banging anything available because its raw. I'm a bit picky & only a few girls do it for me. During my 10-16 day trips I want to bang as many hot babes as I can. Not sit there & hope for the best.

I might have been a bit harsh on the lu.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2156387]EG. Dead right. When a stranger enters there is a flicker of fear through a club. I was spared this when they realised I was a genuine foreigner.

Barbara may seem unfriendly but she was friendly to me from the second day, remembering my name.

Generally I think your points are correct.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Luder Lounge? I have been there 4 or 5 times, service was great. There had been some incidents when I entered. Someone mentioned this was a former Nazi club.

I am not white and have never been refused entry anywhere ever, never been to the infamous GT.

1. A hideous receptionist asked me in an unfriendly way in German if I know what is allowed there? I said I was there the day before and I was let in.

2. A working girl let me in, the Thekefrau seemed mad at her about it, maybe this was about rank and procedure, but this same Thekefrau was very nice to me all day, I got some free cocktails.

3. A nicer looking MILF receptionist asked in German, " this is a private club, have you been here before?" The girls vouched for me but that put a bad taste in my mouth.

The girls and service were Great but otherwise this was a cheap grimy place, what was the big deal on getting in? I thought they were being racist and I left after 2 hours and never returned. Could it be that they weren't being racist?

Delta. I was talking about Venus. I don't know if it is racist in any way.

Wanking. Thanks

Vito. Point taken. In fact girls goofing off as I think you put it, ruined my visit to Freude for exactly the reasons you say. I will report when have time

Cheers all

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2157469]During my 10-16 day trips I want to bang as many hot babes as I can. Not sit there & hope for the best.[/QUOTE]Yeah but it gives you a good chance to go and hide the towels hehehe.

[QUOTE=Wanking;2157661]Yeah but it gives you a good chance to go and hide the towels hehehe.[/QUOTE]They always chase me around when I do that!

I am coming into Frankfurt in a few weeks and hitting some FKK's for the first time. I am wondering if there are any AO clubs in the Frankfurt area. I can have a lot of difficulty cumming covered so may want to find some other action when needed. Private message me if you don't want to post publicly but it would be much appreciated.

Thanks!