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[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2747291]Your "sympathy" is not required. [/QUOTE]I think you do. You need sympathy, or to be more precise, love.
Just like what Osama bin Laden needed was love.
That's the way to get rid of hate.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2747291]Save it for some stray dog in one of your drug addled cities. [/QUOTE]I did.
Another one bites the dust! Hey, hey, hey another one bites the dust!
[URL]https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/31/oligarch-renounces-tinkov-russian-citizenship-ukraine-war[/URL]
Bucha was only one of many killing sites left by the Russian troops in their hasty retreat, but it was the first one. And the one that's been studied extensively.
One of the units that committed war crimes in Bucha was the 64th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade. In April 2022, the brigade received the honorary guards status from Putin for the job well done.
The film is difficult to watch, just a fair warning.
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/bucha-ukraine-war-cleansing-investigation-43e5a9538e9ba68a035756b05028b8b4[/URL]
[QUOTE]The first man arrived at 7:27 a.m. Russian soldiers covered his head and marched him up the driveway toward a nondescript office building.
Two minutes later, a pleading, gagged voice pierced the morning stillness. Then the merciless reply: Talk! Talk, f--ing mother-f--er!
The women and children came later, gripping hastily packed bags, their pet dogs in tow.
It was a cold, gray morning, March 4 in Bucha, Ukraine. Crows cawed. By nightfall, at least nine men would walk to their deaths at 144 Yablunska street, a building complex that Russians turned into a headquarters and the nerve center of violence that would shock the world.
Later, when all the bodies were found strewn along the streets and packed in hasty graves, it would be easy to think the carnage was random. Residents asking how this happened would be told to make their peace, because some questions just dont have answers.
Yet there was a method to the violence.
What happened that day in Bucha was what Russian soldiers on intercepted phone conversations called zachistka cleansing. The Russians hunted people on lists prepared by their intelligence services and went door to door to identify potential threats. Those who didnt pass this filtration, including volunteer fighters and civilians suspected of assisting Ukrainian troops, were tortured and executed, surveillance video, audio intercepts and interviews show.
The Associated Press and the PBS series Frontline obtained surveillance camera footage from Bucha that shows, for the first time, what a cleansing operation in Ukraine looks like. This was organized brutality that would be repeated at scale in Russian-occupied territories across Ukraine a strategy to neutralize resistance and terrorize locals into submission that Russian troops have used in past conflicts, notably Chechnya.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2759612]Bucha was only one of many killing sites left by the Russian troops in their hasty retreat, but it was the first one. And the one that's been studied extensively.
One of the units that committed war crimes in Bucha was the 64th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade. In April 2022, the brigade received the honorary guards status from Putin for the job well done.
The film is difficult to watch, just a fair warning.
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/bucha-ukraine-war-cleansing-investigation-43e5a9538e9ba68a035756b05028b8b4[/URL][/QUOTE]XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, both parties are guilty. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.
Yes, Putin is horrible guy, he will not quit and good luck prosecuting war criminals, unless we invade Russia.
And that is not going to happen unless Putin nukes Ukraine.
I am in Mexico City having fun, you should do the the same.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2759642]XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, [b]both parties are guilty[/b]. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.
Yes, Putin is horrible guy, he will not quit and good luck prosecuting war criminals, unless we invade Russia.
And that is not going to happen unless Putin nukes Ukraine.
I am in Mexico City having fun, you should do the the same.[/QUOTE]You're saying "war is hell" as if it's a natural disaster like earthquake. It's not. Wars are started by people (or monsters in this particular case).
But then you attempt to qualify by stating " both parties are guilty. " That's an outrageous falsehood, but at least it explains your rather detached "war is hell" cliche. No, Drama, both parties are not guilty. Only one party is guilty. Putin is the aggressor while Ukraine is being attacked. Lumping together an aggressor and the victim is the dumbest thing you could've done.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2759697]You're saying "war is hell" as if it's a natural disaster like earthquake. It's not. Wars are started by people (or monsters in this particular case).
But then you attempt to qualify by stating " both parties are guilty. " That's an outrageous falsehood, but at least it explains your rather detached "war is hell" cliche. No, Drama, both parties are not guilty. Only one party is guilty. Putin is the aggressor while Ukraine is being attacked. Lumping together an aggressor and the victim is the dumbest thing you could've done.[/QUOTE]Both parties are guilty. You live in a fantasy world. You guys wanted a war and bad things happen during wars. Yes, Pres. Z is guilty of war crimes, not as bad a Putin, but nevertheless crimes.
The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2759642]XMan war is Hell and people die. This is what happens, both parties are guilty. These guys need to find some middle ground and reach a settlement.[/QUOTE]In the context of the Bucha massacre, can you please clarify what you mean by "both parties are guilty"?
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2759735]Both parties are guilty. You live in a fantasy world. [b]You guys wanted a war[/b] and bad things happen during wars. Yes, Pres. Z is guilty of war crimes, not as bad a Putin, but nevertheless crimes.
The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.[/QUOTE]Sure. Just double down on every idiotic notion in your repertoire. There's no better way to win an argument, right?
And your "you guys wanted a war" is simply priceless. Well done!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2760641]Sure. Just double down on every idiotic notion in your repertoire. There's no better way to win an argument, right?
And your "you guys wanted a war" is simply priceless. Well done![/QUOTE]Yep, you guys wanted a war and now deal with consequences. Maybe the Euros, Pres. Z. , Bidden and the rest of your liberal buddies might have thought this out.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2759735]Both parties are guilty. You live in a fantasy world. You guys wanted a war and bad things happen during wars. Yes, Pres. Z is guilty of war crimes, not as bad a Putin, but nevertheless crimes.
The funny thing is, I have talked about negotiating and finding a solution, you and your crazy ass friends want this to continue. The world is going into a recession and Europe is about to freeze there ass off this winter, I guess this is what you wanted. All this could have been prevented.[/QUOTE]Could you please let us know what Warcrimes Zelinsky has ordered?
Europe will not freeze this winter, the Gas stocks are full most places, so this will not be an problem.
What solution you want?
Yes he can move his orcs back to russia anno 2014 and then we can talk.
Else there is nothing else to Burn the Orcs again and again.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2760670]Yep, you guys wanted a war and now deal with consequences. Maybe the Euros, Pres. Z. , Bidden and the rest of your liberal buddies might have thought this out.[/QUOTE]Who are "you guys"? Don't hold back, be specific.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2760670]Yep, you guys wanted a war and now deal with consequences. Maybe the Euros, Pres. Z. , Bidden and the rest of your liberal buddies might have thought this out.[/QUOTE]No one wanted a war except Putin, remember when head of state, after head of state tried to de-escalate. Putin claimed he would never invade, and then did it anyway.
[QUOTE=VinDici;2760916]No one wanted a war except Putin, remember when head of state, after head of state tried to de-escalate. Putin claimed he would never invade, and then did it anyway.[/QUOTE]Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.
They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.
The Ruskies have fled from Kherson! Where is "Pedro Immorales" now (and the rest of the Kremlin trolls) talking a bunch of bullshit about the Ruskies winning the war LOLOLOL! The third major land battle defeat for "Pewtin". And at sea? Ruskie warship go fuck yourself LMAO! What a major cluster fuck of a disaster by Russia's two-bit dictator of a "leader"! Hahaha! We stand with Ukraine!
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2760993]Just not true. Biden and the Euro's have done nothing to deescalate the war. If they really wanted to win, for starters we could start producing oil, but that makes too much sense.
They are just now starting to talk about making Pres. Z. to negotiate. This should have been going on months ago. Again Ukraine might actually win the war, but end up with nothing. A country destroyed, the Infrastructure is in ruins, a large number of the population will be dead, crippled, and the smart ones left the country never to return. I am sorry this is not winning.[/QUOTE]You newer negotiate before you have a good standpoint, NEWER.
Ukraine is far from destroyed.
Less then 3% of the population if we take the worst case scenario.
Smart ones left the country?
Have you ever been in ukraine, the smart ones are still here, and the ones that left will return many of them.
You lack basic knowledge on the Ukrain people, you think of them as russians.