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[QUOTE=Hobbying;2702799] She said she'll take 2000 I told her comeback when she will accept 1500[b]........[/b]Point is don't pay more than 1500 to go out and 700 R for upstairs.[/QUOTE]What she will TAKE, Wow. You did the right thing. (I'll say less than or not more than 700 R to 800 R for upstairs.).
[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2703419]Seems that the Brazil section should have a hotel sub-forum.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4069-Sao-Paulo-Hotels-and-List[/URL]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?569-Rio-de-Janeiro-Hotels-amp-Apartments[/URL]
Hi Papa Noel, thanks for your quote.
I stayed in Campo Belo area en 2013-2014, which is quite near to Ibirapuera. You've chosen a great area for clinicas de massagems. Good choice. As far as I remember, the Ibirapuera shopping center golden days have long passed, I only found a few lanchonetes to have breakfast near there. Also, the indianopolis street points very close, but I would recommend that area with a very experienced local only. I mean, very experienced. Congonhas airport is few minutes drive, so you'll have plenty domestic flights arriving and departing 24/7. If you're sleep is light, try to get a room not facing the airport.
I had a 50/50 experience in the area with in a club if I recall was Zeus. The place super slow and expensive, at least that day, targeting tourists by taxis who took commissions from entrance. But I met Daniella, a super lovely girl who stayed mith me all night and we had breakfast together. In terms of beauty she was a 7, but in terms of dinamite, she was 8 or 9 with me. I convinced her for a sexy photoshoot in the room. Never found her again because she was a a real nice girl. She signed the modeling agreement by simply writing "Daniella" kkkkkkkkkkk so lovely.
Good look and good to exchange experiences with the guys again.
HiddenEye.
P.S. Can I attach pics of the area in the post?
[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2703419]Hidden Eye. Good read on your hotel experience. (Never went to Cafe Foto).
Seems that the Brazil section should have a hotel sub-forum.
I will be staying for a week in the Vila Mariana bairro of Sao Paulo, quite close to Parque de Ibirapuera. Any one have some recommendations for lanchonete, reataurants, and small bookstore, coffee shops? Quiet bar, with no or low volume music would also be nice. Of course, I can consult with the hotel staff, but I don't have a girlfriend there, so probably stay sozinho.[/QUOTE]
Hi Papa Noel, thanks for your quote.
I stayed in Campo Belo area en 2013-2014, which is quite near to Ibirapuera. You've chosen a great area for clinicas de massagems. Good choice. As far as I remember, the Ibirapuera shopping center golden days have long passed, I only found a few lanchonetes to have breakfast near there. Also, the Indianapolis street points very close, but I would recommend that area with a very experienced local only. I mean, very experienced. Congonhas airport is few minutes drive, so you'll have plenty domestic flights arriving and departing 24/7. If you're sleep is light, try to get a room not facing the airport.
I had a 50/50 experience in the area with in a club if I recall was Zeus. The place super slow and expensive, at least that day, targeting tourists by taxis who took commissions from entrance. But I met Daniella, a super lovely girl who stayed mith me all night and we had breakfast together. In terms of beauty she was a 7, but in terms of dynamite, she was 8 or 9 with me. I convinced her for a sexy photoshoot in the room. Never found her again because she was a a real nice girl. She signed the modeling agreement by simply writing "Daniella" kkkkkkkkkkk so lovely.
Good look and good to exchange experiences with the guys again.
HiddenEye.
P.S. Can I attach pics of the area in the post?
[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2703419]Hidden Eye. Good read on your hotel experience. (Never went to Cafe Foto).
Seems that the Brazil section should have a hotel sub-forum.
I will be staying for a week in the Vila Mariana bairro of Sao Paulo, quite close to Parque de Ibirapuera. Any one have some recommendations for lanchonete, reataurants, and small bookstore, coffee shops? Quiet bar, with no or low volume music would also be nice. Of course, I can consult with the hotel staff, but I don't have a girlfriend there, so probably stay sozinho.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2703345]Few months later in Sao Paulo, I was heading to the restaurant for breakfast in my hotel early in the morning around 6 am, and I took the elevator. Two floors down a gorgeous girl entered the elevator. My *o-meter marked 100!! She had a messy look, bit drunk, cigarette smell, her body hot as fuck, tall as me (I'm 1,70 m), tight miniskirt, high heels, beautiful face but with some acne. She certainly had a hard sex night. So there she was, I could not miss the chance and remembered what the local did. So I partly turned to her (she was one step behind me, there are cams all over the place and it could be a harassments if my *o-meter failed) I opened my wallet and showed all the Reales (all the Dilmas) I had in cash and I said: Five hundred. She looked at me, gave it a thought and few seconds later she said: Pode ser (well, it can be).[/QUOTE]I'd say approach in the way you are most comfortable. While I'm not criticizing your direct approach, showing my wallet to a girl is not my style. Even if you are a bit more subtle, Brazilian women will figure it out. I've approached girls in similar circumstances with my bad Portuguese banter and they let me know the deal fairly quickly. With limited time in an elevator "Você quer festa?" would seem to make the point. It also likely won't offend a civilian woman.
As far as the guy in the lobby not every guy is so aggressive. I can't really blame him though. Brazilians (assuming he was) are more direct with women in general. There likely wasn't much time for him to move.
I recall when I was on Copacabana Beach with a regular of mine. She looked incredible in her Brazilian bikini. Some local dudes were ogling her. When she went to the barraca for drinks, the guys said they heard me talking about my flight later that evening. They asked if they could talk to her. I said sure. I will go for a walk in a few minutes. Sure enough, I looked back and they were exchanging numbers.
Two takeaways:
The locals seem to be able to figure things out quickly as far as the working girls. Perhaps it was my bad Portuguese and her bad English. They knew we were not a real couple.
I'm not patting myself on the back here, but guys need to share leads. One of the most amazing Brasileiras I ever hooked up with was a totally random lead from a Kiwi I met at a Copacabana bar. He was a good chap and he had me sold. He was young, good-looking and charming. I figured he scored quality women without money.
I shake my head when some member here says he's going to keep the contact to himself because he will be back in Brazil in a few months. Huh? She's a working girl. She needs to make money. She's not waiting for you.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2703471]What she will TAKE, Wow. You did the right thing. (I'll say less than or not more than 700 R to 800 R for upstairs.).[/QUOTE]I've paid 800 R to go out but they usually leave early in the morning since they some other shit to do. 1000-1500 for them sleep and fuck again in morning and have breakfast. I take him to their apt to grab clothes for the next day so it doesn't seem too obvious. If you treat them like a GFE they'll give you GFE / pse!
As the Real gets stronger I'm going to lower my price range, maybe no more than 600 upstairs and 1200 to go out, exceptions for bombshells. Many girls prefer to go out because they don't want to spend 8 hours inside walking back and forth in high heels and they look to score 2 times at most inside so my 1500 R max is very on target what they want to make per day.
Yeah, now that you mention, maybe mine was a very bold approach to the girl, I could have gotten a slap in the face. LOL but having just seconds to get to the first floor, that was the only idea I had.
Brazilians guys are very respectful with someone else's companion. Argentinians are way more agressive. They simply come to your girl with no hesitation and talk to her just like you weren't there. Friend, girlfriend, escort. No distinction.
I can't say very little about Rio in terms of paid sex, I booked an incall back in 2002! Hahahaha 20 years ago, and it was a good fuck but nothing compared to other cities in Brasil. Maybe it's only my idea, but I find Rio way too expensive (lodging, meals, taxis, etc etc) I've heard a lot about Fortaleza, few undred Kms to the North.
I rather prefer Southern Brazil and the interior. I crossed Brasil twice from Peru. 3000 Km by bus. There are great spots on the way to Brasilia. Prices are much lower and quality is just fine.
HiddenEye.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2703607]I'd say approach in the way you are most comfortable. While I'm not criticizing your direct approach, showing my wallet to a girl is not my style. Even if you are a bit more subtle, Brazilian women will figure it out. I've approached girls in similar circumstances with my bad Portuguese banter and they let me know the deal fairly quickly. With limited time in an elevator "Voc quer festa?" would seem to make the point. It also likely won't offend a civilian woman.
As far as the guy in the lobby not every guy is so aggressive. I can't really blame him though. Brazilians (assuming he was) are more direct with women in general. There likely wasn't much time for him to move.
I recall when I was on Copacabana Beach with a regular of mine. She looked incredible in her Brazilian bikini. Some local dudes were ogling her. When she went to the barraca for drinks, the guys said they heard me talking about my flight later that evening. They asked if they could talk to her. I said sure. I will go for a walk in a few minutes. Sure enough, I looked back and they were exchanging numbers..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2703592] Also, the Indianapolis street points very close, but I would recommend that area with a very experienced local only. I mean, very experienced. [/QUOTE]Very few mentions of street walking girls in SP. I have seen a few street girls on Indianapolis Ave and wondered why it was desired or necessary to pick up girls on the streets. Given the abundance of clinicas, boates, prives and online girls. Have you or others tried? What's good about them. Cheaper?
About street points. This is not my case but we all know people who look for trans, fat girls, quick fucks, blow jobs and even watching and touching only. And all sorts of fetish that make a long etc etc.
I had a friend who took us to street points cause he enjoyed watching trans, that's it. Drunk guys in the car and a parade of up the knee boots. Dangerous? Yes!!
But situation in other countries of South America has been so rude, that many (I mean many) Venezuelans and Colombians had to hit the streets because there were not enough bars or indoors to locate them. During pandemics bars were closed and they had to walk the streets.
In Lima, Medellin and Bogota, there were so many women, that if you had the gutts to walk those places, you could find true jewels in the middle of the jungle. I made a trio during pandemics with two Venezuelans that were just ok and all, including room was around US $80.
World is just crazy.
[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2704488]Very few mentions of street walking girls in SP. I have seen a few street girls on Indianapolis Ave and wondered why it was desired or necessary to pick up girls on the streets. Given the abundance of clinicas, boates, prives and online girls. Have you or others tried? What's good about them. Cheaper?[/QUOTE]
I wanted to compare Casarao on a peak day like yesterday with what I'd seen on other days at the same time (between 10 pm and midnight). There was not much difference. I now reckon at least 2 thirds of the girls in Casarao come on most days. This means that visiting different boates in SP is a must if you want to scan a large variety of new girls. In fact variety (mostly new girls every day) might be something Scandallo has which other boates lack.
I was less impressed than on my first visit with the line-up but that was probably because everything gets old. A majority of the girls were big girls but that's not to say they weren't attractive. I sessionned Eduarda who was one of the tallest girls I'd seen so far at Casarao, for 400 (asking price 500). She turned out to be very nice and even moderately shy, which I wasn't expecting owing to her stature and her demeanour in the club. The session was good but I noticed she kind of shrank from me ever so slightly during the money shot, a type of attitude I've met with in SP which I complained about in previous post. Also, she carried no lube. Still, I intend to give her another chance on Sunday at my place because she had an unspoilt unsophisticated air about her which intrigued me.
Went to Scandallo on Wednesday, arriving around 10 pm. There was easily around close to 100 girls, and in the next hour or so more and kept arriving. At 11.30 pm the place was packed, must have been somewhat over 150 girls, and a very reasonable ratio, maybe as much as 2:1, I guess mainly locals with money to spend. Being a first timer it was a bit overwhelming. I would say at least half of them were doable, so you start to get picky. Little too much silicone all around for my taste, but they did look good.
Girls were all dressed up, some more provocative than others. You could see quite a lot of tits and ass. Girls very friendly, partying and smiling if you caught their eye. Not being a Portuguese speaker, it was a bit challenging to strike up a conversation. At one point I was trying to talk to a really naturally attractive blonde, slim, nice shape and good ass in a tight, thin long dress that really presented her body well. She seemed genuinely sweet and smiley, but it was just too awkward not being able to talk to her, as she was one those where you would want to have a conversation, not just ask the price on a translator.
Eventually I got talking to a morena with a hot body (who did speak OK english), and she did quote me 2000, because "she did everything", but would take 1500 without anal. I countered 1000, and eventually we settled for 1200 all inclusive.
In the room she was very friendly and provided good service, although only CBJ, which I of course should have negotiated up front. But we did various positions, and she took a deep anal doggy without complaint. After quite a while, I decided not to finish (which she did complain about in a nice way).
Back in the club I roamed around talking to various girls, but ended up talking to a very good looking mulatto which looked to have a good body, who had decent english. She quoted me 1000 which I accepted, but upstairs they had issues with my credit cards (they used some specific machines for that, all other places it worked fine). So we finally agreed for 1500 going back to my hotel instead. Back in my room at the hotel, she simply stepped out of her dress, and was completely naked underneath. She had nice natural see cups and a smoking hot ass. Again it was CBJ (I never seem to learn), but very good sex in all kinds of positions, finished in side, while she was masturbating until she came and squeezed the hell out of my dick, which did it for me. Very good, and I would definately repeat giving the chance.
I was at Kilt 30 years ago. Back then it was huge and was the top club in SP (like Scandallo is nowadays). Nowadays not much is left. The old building (a sort of castle) is no more.
I arrived at 10 pm, ie 1 hour after opening time. Right next to the gate I saw a narrow door with a neon that said "hotel". The cover charge was 50 to sit at the bar and 80 to sit on one of the sofas. Girls' drinks cost 50.
About 6 girls were standing about. Place was too dark for me to assess the girls. Dim light is one thing I dislike about boates (as opposed to clinicas).
40 minutes later, not a single new girl had come in, and this was a Saturday. It looked and felt like I was in for a long wait if I wanted to get lucky here, so I decided to leave and go to bed.
I'll take a leave from boates over the next week, alternating instead between clinicas and known girls at my place.
Regarding Carpaccio18's post and covered BJs, I now recall my Casarao girl on Friday also wanted CBJs. She is to come to my place tomorrow at 11am. Will she still insist on CBJs? My feeling is girls in boates are much more likely to want covered blow-jobs than girls at clinicas.
[QUOTE=XXL;2704952]Regarding Carpaccio18's post and covered BJs, I now recall my Casarao girl on Friday also wanted CBJs. She is to come to my place tomorrow at 11am. Will she still insist on CBJs? My feeling is girls in boates are much more likely to want covered blow-jobs than girls at clinicas.[/QUOTE]I've never had a CBJ in Brazil ever from any girl taken from any type of establishment or source. I just make it clear I want oral "sem camishina", and that has worked every single time. The only time I had any kind of issue was with a pretty, big titties blonde from the old Bomboa. She was insisting on a CBJ, but I objected and pestered her so much about it that she finally relented. The thing is, she was so damn drunk that it wasn't any good! So, I decided to just cut the BBJ short and fuck her drunk ass and nut!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2704979]I've never had a CBJ in Brazil ever from any girl taken from any type of establishment or source. I just make it clear I want oral "sem camishina", and that has worked every single time. The only time I had any kind of issue was with a pretty, big titties blonde from the old Bomboa. She was insisting on a CBJ, but I objected and pestered her so much about it that she finally relented. The thing is, she was so damn drunk that it wasn't any good! So, I decided to just cut the BBJ short and fuck her drunk ass and nut![/QUOTE]Another Gringo rip off if one does not speak Porto. Sometimes they'll say if you are "cherroso" meaning they'll do a sniff test before bbj and should never be an upcharge!
Just ask "oral sem ou com".
[QUOTE=XXL;2704952]I was at Kilt 30 years ago. Back then it was huge and was the top club in SP. Nowadays not much is left.
I arrived at 10 pm, ie 1 hour after opening time. Right next to the gate I saw a narrow door with a neon that said "hotel". The cover charge was 50
About 6 girls were standing about. Place was too dark for me to assess the girls.
40 minutes later, not a single new girl had come in, and this was a Saturday.[/QUOTE]Good report, but want to ask you. Were all of the girls there freelancers, as in wearing normal clothes? Years ago, there were some girls that danced in bikini (of course they also had live sex show back then as well). What about the 3 boates that used to be across the street? I'm guessing they are all gone?
30 years was a few years before I got to know about Kilt. I remember when they opened up the second level, and there were some privados to take a garota. Bet that is closed off nowadays.
I was thinking of going there last night, but made other plans.