German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2417867]GT made Chinese new year party on last Saturday. Don 't know if many Chinese attended, but Chinese figures about virus are lower than reality, China is not land of truth, but British made investigations showing much more Chinese under virus than Chinese figures. Can become risky, like AO is for sure high risk, furthermore with girls fucked AO 10 times every day.[/QUOTE]Well, thru AO sex you may get an STD (in addition to chance of Coronavirus now), but good news is that all STDs now have treatment or vaccines, including for HIV. On the other hand, there is no vaccine and no real treatment yet for Coronavirus (researchers and scientists saying may take years!) so that's much much higher risk of death until a vaccine and / or treatment is available; that's the reason clubs, girls and customers should be much more careful compared to AO sex or any other risks at this time. Allowing Asian customers to brothels is simply creating way too much death risks for rest of the folks until a real vaccine or treatment is available IMHO.

May anyone comment on the general circumstances of the clubs during mid April? I maybe able come down during the week from a Sunday to Thursday.

Will it be worth while? Am I better off waiting until later in the summer if I'm only able to do this once a year?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2417591]Dow is down 400 points due to it. CDC suggested today to stop or postpone trips to China. Are the FKK girls now avoiding customers from China / Asia due to fear of Coronavirus? Are the clubs stopping customers from China / Asia to enter?[/QUOTE]There is no need to stop or ban anybody due to the fear of the Corona virus. The fear of the Corona virus has been overblown. So far it only has affected about 5,000 people and killed about 100.

To put things in perspectives, the seasonal flu, also an airborne contagious disease, affects and kills a much bigger population worldwide, including the population in the 4 FKK host countries (DE, CH, Austria, and NL) during the flu season of 2019-2020. About 1/2 million people world-wide die annually from the seasonal flu.

In the USA alone, according to the estimates of the US Government agency Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from October 1, 2019, through January 18, 2020, there have been:

15,000,000 - 21,000,000 flu illnesses;

7,000,000 - 10,000,000 flu medical visits;

140,000 - 250,000 flu hospitalizations;

8,200 - 20,000 flu deaths.

Please see the statistics in the link below.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm?fbclid=IwAR2afHGHKQ1xh8Zs0GEqjLfCQsYgWJHCPW3cfaV2Y5rlug_rsG_Zrw7GR3c[/URL]

I have been visiting fkks for years during the flu season (generally from about October through about April). Even with the widespread prevalence of the contagious flu virus during the flu season, I have never become sick from DFK the FKK girls, and DFK and DATY are my usual modus operandi. I understand that there is a risk of catching the flu virus from DFK the girls, but this is a risk I am willing to take to enjoy my pleasure.

To me, the real health risk of visiting fkks is the second-hand smoke. I wish all fkks would have the non-smoking policy like Babylon Ellsdorf.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2417833]Probably clubs, girls and punters are better safe than sorry, by banning all Asians for now. Imagine one single case of Coronavirus infection thru an FKK in the news. All FKKs will suffer serious downturn of all customers, not just Asians.

CDC tells travelers to avoid China in expanded travel warning as coronavirus spreads ([URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/cdc-tells-travelers-to-avoid-china-in-expanded-travel-warning-as-coronavirus-spreads.html[/URL]).[/QUOTE]The risks from the corona virus is much less than the other risks from going to a club. If you want to lower your risks, go see a high end escort that sees one client a day at your hotel. Just entering a club exposes you to pathogens from hundreds of visitors.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2417994]The risks from the corona virus is much less than the other risks from going to a club. If you want to lower your risks, go see a high end escort that sees one client a day at your hotel. Just entering a club exposes you to pathogens from hundreds of visitors.[/QUOTE]You are forgetting that for all other pathogens we might get from FKK visits, there are vaccines and / or treatments. For Coronavirus, there is none yet!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2417940]Well, thru AO sex you may get an STD (in addition to chance of Coronavirus now), but good news is that all STDs now have treatment or vaccines, including for HIV. On the other hand, there is no vaccine and no real treatment yet for Coronavirus (researchers and scientists saying may take years!) so that's much much higher risk of death until a vaccine and / or treatment is available; that's the reason clubs, girls and customers should be much more careful compared to AO sex or any other risks at this time. Allowing Asian customers to brothels is simply creating way too much death risks for rest of the folks until a real vaccine or treatment is available IMHO.[/QUOTE]Real fact about risk nobody control at this time, but known Chinese figures are wrong, Chinese women football team was isolated in a competition, I think in Australia where really open minded. But I'm pretty sure for somebody in good health, this virus is less dangerous than HIV and I don't want to have to take 15 pills a day only to survive, but being weak and catching all diseases.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2418141]You are forgetting that for all other pathogens we might get from FKK visits, there are vaccines and / or treatments. For Coronavirus, there is none yet![/QUOTE]That may be but so far the the dangers of corona virus is still exceedingly small, it could be that for most people infected that it's no worse than a cold. 130 deaths is a small number when flu will kill 600,000 in a year and when you have numbers like that then it could imply that corona virus is a dangerous secondary infection. It will take some time yet to realise how bad this is but experts are reporting [U]today[/U] that it's not going to be as bad as SARS or even MERS.

Funny that fear about coronavirus. From what I read, it is deadly mostly for weak people, with deficient immunatory system, more than 60 years persons, etc. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger: a normal guy, in good physical condition, would probably get over it quickly and get a better immunatory system.

So, don't smoke, eat sanely, don't drink too much and do sports at least twice a week and like me you won't even need vaccine (some contains suspicious adjuvents). I think I never got flu, only cold.

If this virus had developed and spread not in Wuhan, Ch but Perm, RU or Christchurch NZ or trondheim No and if someone proposed banning all White dudes from FKK until the virus was cured worldwide, members would be up in arms here. But now we are casually proposing banning all Asians including Japanese or Koreans or anyone with an Asian look, even Asians who have been living for a long time outside China because one city has a few thousand infections.

BTW, I am not Asian nor of Asian ethnicity. Just another white dude here.

Another thing: because China became so important for global economy, there were several thousands of foreigners and expats living in China. Now, they are all being flown back to their homes due to fear of this virus. Now, it is possible that some of these people who are being brought back to their homelands were already infected but not yet showing symptoms. So, some of them return back to Europe, visit clubs and spread the disease. What should the club do? If they ban Asians and white dudes both, perhaps the clubs should shut down for a while?

In fact, several airlines are suspending flights to China except to bring expats back home. If the disease is spreading in Europe, it could be more due to returning expats that were already infected than a Wuhan dude visiting FKK. Remember, infection incubation is up to 2 weeks and many infected people show no symptoms and have no idea they are infected.

[QUOTE=KingOfBongo;2418213] What doesn't kill you makes you stronger[/QUOTE]...except Polio.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2418198]That may be but so far the the dangers of corona virus is still exceedingly small, it could be that for most people infected that it's no worse than a cold. 130 deaths is a small number when flu will kill 600,000 in a year and when you have numbers like that then it could imply that corona virus is a dangerous secondary infection. It will take some time yet to realise how bad this is but experts are reporting [U]today[/U] that it's not going to be as bad as SARS or even MERS.[/QUOTE]Looks like this Coronavirus, which so far has no real treatment and no vaccine, is already surpassing SARS.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-cases-in-china-overtake-sars-and-impact-could-be-more-severe.html[/URL]

Remember, this one doesn't even need a physical touch, just some coughing or sneezing by an infected person close to you will do the spreading, literally much worse than getting any STD or STI which needs physical contact.

Of course, we can all be in denial, until it kills some WG or a punter or an employee, which obviously would be too late to take precautions. I guess we can consider WHO and CDC don't know what they do and say, we the punters are the better experts here.

[QUOTE=KingOfBongo;2418213]Funny that fear about coronavirus. From what I read, it is deadly mostly for weak people, with deficient immunatory system, more than 60 years persons, etc. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger: a normal guy, in good physical condition, would probably get over it quickly and get a better immunatory system.

So, don't smoke, eat sanely, don't drink too much and do sports at least twice a week and like me you won't even need vaccine (some contains suspicious adjuvents). I think I never got flu, only cold.[/QUOTE]Bravo KingOfBongo! You hit the nail right on the head. I totally agree with your comment.

Kissing as many different girls as possible is good for your health because shared germs actually boost your immune system. By swapping spit, your fkk girl introduces you to bacteria you may encounter later on, making you more equipped to ward off future infections. Kissing also forms a similar mix of living bacteria in your and your girl's body, which makes you both better prepared to deal with similar infections. I am citing the article in the link below.

[URL]https://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/kissing-helps-boost-your-immune-system/[/URL]

I am a sex athlete and kissing / sexercise with FKK girls is an integral part of my health regimen. Marathon kissing and sex sessions help to build my stamina, muscle strength, and flexibility. I have engaged in 3-hour non-stop penetrating sex sessions with Annabel (DE) of GT Bruggen, Alessia ex Elexandra (RO) of Globe, Erika (RO) of Globe, Serena (RO) of Sharks, Marianna (RO) of GT Bruggen, to name a few. Kissing and sexercise make me stronger than ever.

Same like you KingofBongo, I never got flu, only some very mild colds at most.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2418221]If this virus had developed and spread not in Wuhan, Ch but Perm, RU or Christchurch NZ or trondheim No and if someone proposed banning all White dudes from FKK until the virus was cured worldwide, members would be up in arms here. But now we are casually proposing banning all Asians including Japanese or Koreans or anyone with an Asian look, even Asians who have been living for a long time outside China because one city has a few thousand infections.

BTW, I am not Asian nor of Asian ethnicity. Just another white dude here.

Another thing: because China became so important for global economy, there were several thousands of foreigners and expats living in China. Now, they are all being flown back to their homes due to fear of this virus. Now, it is possible that some of these people who are being brought back to their homelands were already infected but not yet showing symptoms. So, some of them return back to Europe, visit clubs and spread the disease. What should the club do? If they ban Asians and white dudes both, perhaps the clubs should shut down for a while?

In fact, several airlines are suspending flights to China except to bring expats back home. If the disease is spreading in Europe, it could be more due to returning expats that were already infected than a Wuhan dude visiting FKK. Remember, infection incubation is up to 2 weeks and many infected people show no symptoms and have no idea they are infected.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-illness-seen-evacuated-u-s-passengers-wuhan-cdc-says-n1125566[/URL]

That is how people / expats are now being tested first and only if negative for Coronavirus, they are let mingle with others after they arrive in USA or Europe. As much as inclusive society we want, we must be careful to not spread diseases that don't have vaccines or treatments. When was the last time in modern history any killer disease like HIV, SERS, MERS, Ebola or this Coronavirus originated in any Western European country or in USA? There are historical and health related cultural reasons to suspect other countries and their people. Also, note that we are not talking about brothels in China, they are probably already shut down or close to that. We are discussing how the German FKKs (not in Asia) can take precautions by "temporarily" banning people with Asian passports, or some sub-group of that as it makes sense by the German Physicians. Once a vaccine or a treatment is available, simply lift the ban.

Better follow what the health experts suggest in these cases.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2418196]Real fact about risk nobody control at this time, but known Chinese figures are wrong, Chinese women football team was isolated in a competition, I think in Australia where really open minded. But I'm pretty sure for somebody in good health, this virus is less dangerous than HIV and I don't want to have to take 15 pills a day only to survive, but being weak and catching all diseases.[/QUOTE]Exactly. [URL]https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51293038[/URL].

Quarantined even in football games where no kissing or BBBJ involved! And here some of our senior members are arguing in favor of not putting Asians in quarantine in FKKs.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2418221]If this virus had developed and spread not in Wuhan, Ch but Perm, RU or Christchurch NZ or trondheim No and if someone proposed banning all White dudes from FKK until the virus was cured worldwide, members would be up in arms here. But now we are casually proposing banning all Asians including Japanese or Koreans or anyone with an Asian look, even Asians who have been living for a long time outside China because one city has a few thousand infections. BTW, I am not Asian nor of Asian ethnicity. Just another white dude here.[/QUOTE]Sort of reminds me of Golden Time's face control practices. It's not discriminatory. Unless of course it's preventing you yourself from entering the club LOL!