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Hi guys!
Anything going on at Club Noblesse at the Metropole Hotel?
This "Bars & Clubs" thread has been set up for two weeks now, but none is listed here yet. I will start & hope those who know other clubs well will do the same.
Apocalypse Now, the locals refer to it as "Apo" located on Thi Sach St. Dist. 1. stays open until 2-3AM. It's run by the son of a close associates of the executed mob boss, Nam Cam. This is a good place for those who do not have a lot of time for hunting, & it's one of the most popular clubs, if not the most popular, for the expats to hang out in Saigon.
For westerners, there is no cover charge. For the non regular locals, there is a cover charge of 50k/70k. As you walk in, on your left side, there is a pool table & a bar. On your right, there is a small dance floor, some tables, chairs & DJs. In the open backyard, there is a grill selling hot sandwiches & some tables & chairs for you to sit & chat with the beautiful women there. The women's restroom on the left & men's on the right. The bartenders are usually women & the waitpersons are usually men.
Although 85% of women there are freelancers, you must be polite & discreet when approaching them. Some of the girls go there just to dance & their boyfriends will show up later. Depends on the qualities, prices range from $50-$100 ST. Not sure about LT. Heineken cost about 50K each. If you want to play pool, be sure to put your name on the black board & wait for your turn. It costs 10k per game if you lose.
If you cause any troubles there, you WILL get thrown out & possibly beat up by the security guards. So just stay cool & have fun.
Have fun hunting!
There is a bunch of older reports on bars and Clubs in HCMC under the General Info thread so look there if you need info for now.
As time goes by the bars and clubs information and new news will gather here.
Not heard of Club Noblesse so can't comment.
[QUOTE=Bingotwoballs]Hi guys!
Anything going on at Club Noblesse at the Metropole Hotel?[/QUOTE]It closed at least a year ago. Perhaps it's reopened, but haven't been there. Massage was also closed when I went there 6 weeks ago.
noblesse is a music and karaoke bar with many viets. Somtimes there are foreign guests at the hotel patronize there. You can request for a hostess to keep you company. There are about 10 there, but any extra "works" she might do after hours is all up to the girls.
Being in Saigon at the present time, I was lucky enough to find a bar called "Riveside something". There is a billard and a bunch of good girls from 7 pm every day. It is located on the left side of "Bui Vien" by the end of the street where an other street joins on the right. Enjoy the visit.
[QUOTE=DirtyOldMan]Being in Saigon at the present time, I was lucky enough to find a bar called "Riveside something". There is a billard and a bunch of good girls from 7 pm every day. It is located on the left side of "Bui Vien" by the end of the street where an other street joins on the right. Enjoy the visit.[/QUOTE]
I found Bui Vien on the map - it is over to the SW of the backpacker area. Is this a bar similar to the Hai Bai Trung bars but a little less sales pressure?
[QUOTE=Playsafe]
Although 85% of women there are freelancers, you must be polite & discreet when approaching them. Some of the girls go there just to dance & their boyfriends will show up later. Depends on the qualities, prices range from $50-$100 ST. Not sure about LT.
100& ST in vietnam (even in HCMC) is for sure a price for supposed suckers (no offense meant, but sometimes it's necessary to make things clear)!
cheers!
[QUOTE=El Frances]
100& ST in vietnam (even in HCMC) is for sure a price for supposed suckers (no offense meant, but sometimes it's necessary to make things clear)!
cheers![/QUOTE]
Not all of us have the resources, contacts or knowledge that you do. Most of us simply struggle by and try and get the best quality we can for the lowest price. Pointing out someone is paying too much is helpful. More helpful still is sharing the resources, contacts or knowledge that you have, indicating in your opinion a fair price should be and how one would go about attaining said price.
When you do offer up this bounty of information, please be mindful that most guys don't have days or even hours to go looking. They want to go somewhere reliable with good quality, and they want to be able to go there without having to hunt all night because they've come from meetings during the day and have meetings in the morning. They will probably also want girls who speak at least a modicum of English. If they are lucky they'll have a day or 2 to spare before they depart - even then, it is hardly time to do proper research.
Yours,
Another Sucker
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I found Bui Vien on the map - it is over to the SW of the backpacker area. Is this a bar similar to the Hai Bai Trung bars but a little less sales pressure?[/QUOTE]It is an open bar, and the pressure is very low. The availability is almost immediate and the prices may be discussed; you can get a whole night for 50 dollars, but maybe lower the price if you are young and pretty.
Dirty Old man
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I found Bui Vien on the map - it is over to the SW of the backpacker area. Is this a bar similar to the Hai Bai Trung bars but a little less sales pressure?[/QUOTE]Most of the girls speak at least a little bit of English.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Not all of us have the resources, contacts or knowledge that you do. Most of us simply struggle by and try and get the best quality we can for the lowest price. Pointing out someone is paying too much is helpful. More helpful still is sharing the resources, contacts or knowledge that you have, indicating in your opinion a fair price should be and how one would go about attaining said price.
When you do offer up this bounty of information, please be mindful that most guys don't have days or even hours to go looking. They want to go somewhere reliable with good quality, and they want to be able to go there without having to hunt all night because they've come from meetings during the day and have meetings in the morning. They will probably also want girls who speak at least a modicum of English. If they are lucky they'll have a day or 2 to spare before they depart - even then, it is hardly time to do proper research.
Yours,
Another Sucker[/QUOTE]
The key to this issue is negotiation and the key to negotiation is establishing a position of strength. You need to confidently let them know that you are aware that the going rate is VND1 mil for all night and that you are willing to move on if they are not prepared to cut a deal near that. If you are there for 2 days tell them a few days as knowing you have limited time gives them more strength.
Treat this negotiation as part of the game - and smile and enjoy it!
[QUOTE=DirtyOldMan]Most of the girls speak at least a little bit of English.[/QUOTE]
Bar Rive's.
The manager is in her thirties and pretty (I do not know if she goes fucking). Her sister is real pretty, she is 24/26 and goes fucking).
The rate of drinks vary depending on the time ( nobody before 7 pm) and the temper of the managing team. It is not necessary to spend a lot of money drinking before concluding an agreement, unless you like it.
Gossip.
It is very close to the market Ben Thanh, and you can reach it walking within 3 minutes.
The charge is 90 000 VND for entrance and a drink.
At 9:00, the whole management was in place ... and me. Nobody else. The music was horribly loud.
At 10:30, when I came back, there was the crowd described by "Tricky Richard", and contacts easy to establish.
[QUOTE=El Frances][QUOTE=Playsafe]Although 85% of women there are freelancers, you must be polite & discreet when approaching them. Some of the girls go there just to dance & their boyfriends will show up later.[/QUOTE]You must have been the guy trying to pick up on my wife when she was there dancing with some friends.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Not all of us have the resources, contacts or knowledge that you do. Most of us simply struggle by and try and get the best quality we can for the lowest price. Pointing out someone is paying too much is helpful. More helpful still is sharing the resources, contacts or knowledge that you have, indicating in your opinion a fair price should be and how one would go about attaining said price.
When you do offer up this bounty of information, please be mindful that most guys don't have days or even hours to go looking. They want to go somewhere reliable with good quality, and they want to be able to go there without having to hunt all night because they've come from meetings during the day and have meetings in the morning. They will probably also want girls who speak at least a modicum of English. If they are lucky they'll have a day or 2 to spare before they depart - even then, it is hardly time to do proper research.
Yours,
Another Sucker[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but the price that was mentioned was 100 $ ST! I was not talking about the price level in some unknown place where only vietnamese people usually go. I was talking about the price level in places that are patronized by foreigners, such as Apocalypse. 100$ LT is already expensive. Even for a lazy businessman, 100 $ ST is more than overpaid in Apocalypse.
Had a chance to check out a few bars in Saigon, however I had the gf in tow, so no opportunity to formally check out the action:
Thiem Loc: had a good selection of girls, a decent pool table, but the staff were a bit slow in service.
35 Bar: a bunch of good looking girls, showing a bit more tit than Thiem Loc, and in general, the girls had more to show. Got a good fun game of pool going, and the girls joined in with gusto. Not pushy, just laid back and easy. The bar itself was really bare, no wall decorations, not even a decent coat of paint.
An update on Apocolypse. It now has an upstairs with different music, usually rock, while downstairs plays hip/hop dance music. I have to agree with an earlier poster, most girls there are working, but there are also girlfriends of expats, etc. there, so just be descrete. If she doesn't seem interested move on.
Apocolypse is open till 2-3 on Friday and Saturdays. After that time Go2 and AlleyBoo would be your only options. Go2 is a 24 hour establishment. AlleyBoo closes around 4-5. Both of these bars are in the Pham Ngu Lao area (backpacker area labeled on most tourist maps).
Be safe and happy hunting.
Guys,
I will be staying at the New World Hotel can anyone tell me if there are good hobbing near there. I don't knw much about the city and have limited to so I appricate any help. Also how much should I expect to pay?
Jay
On Cao Ba Quat admittedly is probably one of the very unique spots but also highly frequented by Tourists and fellow mongers. For sure it is nice to see all these Natural big Boobs lingering around in the uniforms without bras and as they mostly have big nips at least something to look at even they are not smiling so much in average and if you're not lucky. Lucky? Why lucky? Yes, for those who don't know there is the ground floor for the normal activities, sitting with the girls, touchiung and so on, even also there playing a decent pool and the upstairs part with 2 pool rooms (small & Big). On the way you will typically notice already 15 girls sitting or sleeping on the stairs waiting for more customers and once your up the scheme starts quickly. They want to play pool and of course they are very bad (why should they be any good if they do that day by day) so the very good deal is that if they win they get 100k if you win they loose all their cloth, so far so fine. Recently I have to admit I was there with several other guys and for now a total of 15 observed games not even one time a guy won: Oh we are only Lucky! And please give us more lady drink (a sip of Bailey for 50k and if your playing a bit better the game will last at least 4 drinks long). Went there before and the ladies lost at least every 2nd game but seems they are not much business oriented these days and when I proposed 2 ladies play together and I pay 100k to the winner they refused and started getting nasty and dragging for more drinks. So if you're not a regular pool player. I think I'd advice you pass or join some of the better players to get a part of the cake. Oh and sure after all this they still wait for their TIP (wow). In case you dare 2 as they have nice ones and real nice bodies, after 7 lady drinks (or equal in $) the barfine is deemed to be done and they are happy to go with you still expecting 1 Mio but negotiable
Happy (smiling) hunting
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So a few nights ago I went down to the HBT bars for the first time. Walked into 49 and was instantly escorted to a seat and a girl was standing there between my legs asking me what I wanted to drink and if I wanted to play pool. I really just wanted to relax for atleast 30 seconds while I cool off, but not possible here. Girl was about a 7 with a nice rack but her face had much room for improvement. She wasnt really what I was looking for so I left after 1 beer and 1 LD. Went to 51. Found a nice girl, nice rack, good face and pretty nice. Played a couple of games of pool, won both times and got to see her naked both times. Funny thing is I am pretty bad at pool. At 51 I had 5 beers, bought 6 LDs and it was near time to go home. Now 1:30am. The girl said if I wanted to go home it was a 400k bar fine, plus her fee of 1mil, plus my 5 beers and 6 LDs. pFFFF. wow. Yeah right! She must have thought was drunk out of my mind or something. I pretty much just laughed and said she was crazy.
Then she said "ok. you must know more about vietnam. So bar fine is 100k, plus drinks, and you still pay me 1mil." I kindly declined. I said to her in a kind way..."you're hot, but not that hot". Not sure if she completely understood. She stood firm on her pricing so I left.
Saw her outside a few minutes later walking with some friends. I came up to here and asked her, now she isnt at the bar, no bar fines ect. how much you want now. ST. She said 1.2mil. WhAT! now she wants more. She was pretty much just trying to see how much id give her. I was pretty fed up so I left.
Went to Pham Ngo Lao to the (what seems to be the only bar open late) Saigon Bar just off PNL. Stayed there til about 4:00am when I saw a group of girls hanging outside. I assume they didnt find anything at the discos and were hoping for one last chance to meetup. I went out, found an 8 with huge tits yet real slim. Started talking with her, told her i wanted her to come back to my place she said she wanted to. I went back in, finished my beer then went back out. Asked her how much she said 100 USD, to begin with and I negotiated her down to 500k ST. Since it was so late and she was sure to not find much else.
Came back to my place (not a hotel), started with us both taking showers and her making sure I am real clean. Went to the bed and she started with a good BBBJ that was real good. Went all the way down and had good technique. Put the rubber on, and did multiple positions. Was quite good. Finished with me blowing my load all over her tits and face. She went into the bathroom to clean up, when she came out I had her 500k ready, she said thanks and gave me her number so we can meet up again and that was that. Everything I was looking for at a good price.
The night started out not so good, but ended up pretty well. I didnt get any pics, which I wish I would have remembered. The girl I took home was about an 8 in her mid to late 20s.
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Alleyboo has closed. Rumors say that it was because of drug dealing out of it? Who knows, but they are closed and apparently aren't opening again. There are still several smaller bars around the area to troll, but generally Saigon Bar is your best bet later at night. Also the alley that runs next to Long Phi restaurant. Updated, Go2 is open again as of last night April 11th. They had been closed for about 3 weeks until last night. Seemed business as usual.
Happy Hunting.
On a trip to HCMC last year I went marched into a bar by 3 sexy girls and all sat with me and I bought the first round of drinks. I liked the look of one of the girls and asked the rest to leave, which they did after all having a quick tweak of my equipment (love Vietnam). Next minute the mamasan comes up and asks me to take one of her new girls. She is young and pretty and new from the country and it is her first time in HCMC and she has no experience. So I tell her I will have a look. She brings her over and she is so very cute but I act a little disinterested. She was very shy and could speak zero English and was pushed on to my lap. Because she couldn; t really say anything we sort of just looked at each other. I then slipped my hands up under her little mini skirt and she jumped with a fright but did not stop me. Next minute the boss walks over and says to me she has a deal for me. Told me if I take the new girl to a st hotel she will charge no bar fine, nothing for the drinks and only 50 USD for the girl. I said that she had a deal.
So we get to the hotel, she strips and sort of hides behind a towel but I encouraged her to drop it and away we went. She was awesome and so damn cute. I could have done 3 times I think (she was sooo hot). But she just wanted to hug and kiss me afterwards. We then get the cab back to drop me off at my hotel and she starts speaking and the cab driver starts laughing and translates to me that she wants to marry me and is in love and wants me to take her away from the bar. I felt sort of sorry for her. The driver told me not to worry and to just hop out of the cab and keep going and that she will get over it all.
Sort of sad but boy was she HOT, so sexy and so cute and not to mention sooooo tight. I can still remember the feeling, awesome!
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[QUOTE=Viet1]On a trip to HCMC last year I went marched into a bar by 3 sexy girls and all sat with me and I bought the first round of drinks. I liked the look of one of the girls and asked the rest to leave, which they did after all having a quick tweak of my equipment (love Vietnam). Next minute the mamasan comes up and asks me to take one of her new girls. She is young and pretty and new from the country and it is her first time in HCMC and she has no experience. So I tell her I will have a look. She brings her over and she is so very cute but I act a little disinterested. She was very shy and could speak zero English and was pushed on to my lap. Because she couldn; t really say anything we sort of just looked at each other. I then slipped my hands up under her little mini skirt and she jumped with a fright but did not stop me. Next minute the boss walks over and says to me she has a deal for me. Told me if I take the new girl to a st hotel she will charge no bar fine, nothing for the drinks and only 50 USD for the girl. I said that she had a deal.
So we get to the hotel, she strips and sort of hides behind a towel but I encouraged her to drop it and away we went. She was awesome and so damn cute. I could have done 3 times I think (she was sooo hot). But she just wanted to hug and kiss me afterwards. We then get the cab back to drop me off at my hotel and she starts speaking and the cab driver starts laughing and translates to me that she wants to marry me and is in love and wants me to take her away from the bar. I felt sort of sorry for her. The driver told me not to worry and to just hop out of the cab and keep going and that she will get over it all.
Sort of sad but boy was she HOT, so sexy and so cute and not to mention sooooo tight. I can still remember the feeling, awesome!
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location, location, location?
This is one reason why I ask for the new girls. They are not commercially or emotionally hardened and can give you a real GFE. I would have got that one's number because I suspect that freebies were going to be on offer.
When they are like this it takes a little management and some small gifts to keep them on the hook without making any firm commitments. I usually buy perfume sample packs or soft toys for this purpose.
Hey Viet - sorry to give you a hard time about location of these places.
Saigon is constantly changing and some of the more discrete places are hard to find. So good direction in English are very useful.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]location, location, location?
This is one reason why I ask for the new girls. They are not commercially or emotionally hardened and can give you a real GFE. I would have got that one's number because I suspect that freebies were going to be on offer.
When they are like this it takes a little management and some small gifts to keep them on the hook without making any firm commitments. I usually buy perfume sample packs or soft toys for this purpose.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your feedback Sudsoz and love your idea of gifts. I will try that next time, thanks for this tip and I only wish I was switched on enough to have thought of it at the time. I sort of freaked a little when she got so clingy. And you are right about and I will get a map and have a look at this location and get back to the forum with where it is. If I looked at a street map I know I could easily work it out.
Thanks again
Hey guys,
I would love to see a thread wher we all list the name of a place, its address and then a brief description and then rate it. this way we can start a good collection of the best and worst places.
What do you all thinks?
Hi everyone,
I have attached a list of bars. I think this is a good start for people. We can easily update this list to show what additional services that you can get at some of these places. Is anyone interested in doing this?
We can then use the info on our trips to HCMC and stop wasting time with places that are no good.
•163 Cyclo Bar, 163 Pham Ngu Lao Street, 2 doors down from the Duna Hotel. Thumping music until 2 a.m. and really friendly staff. The Vietnamese girls seem to have a strong affinity for Caucasian men.
•Acoustic Cafe, 6E1 Ngô Thời Nhiệm. Though only 1 km from the heavily touristed center, this club is completely outside the tourist orbit, and offers an interesting view of local life. The all-Vietnamese house band performs every night, mostly American music, and it's always jammed with student-aged groupies. For some reason, they address the crowd in English between songs, even though half the crowd doesn't understand. On weekends, at least, you need to arrive by 7:30 to have any hope of getting a seat. If your hobby is rock ballad or hardrock, you should go on Friday night.
•Allez Boo, corner Pham Ngu Lao, De Tham. The definitive backpacker bar has closed.
•Alibi, 11 Thai Van Lung. Very cozy atmosphere, with sofas lining the walls and beautiful decor. good food & drinks selection, nice music, and a mix of both local & expat people. friendly staff, and the management's always there to make you feel welcome and make sure you get what you are asking for.
•Apocalypse Now, 2C Thi Sach. Legendary and still packed on weekends, although aside from a few movie references it's not all that much to look at. Stays open late. Now opened their 2nd floor for dj, dancing, drinks with less crowded atmosphere.
•Bottom Line, Ly Tu Trong. Cubby hole for the lost and lonely. Good sports coverage, OK food, and pleasant attractive staff.
•Carmen, 8 Ly Tu Trong, former home of an unbelievably talented Salsa / Flamenco / Latin pop band, was unfortunately leveled in August, 2007 when the owner of part of the underlying land decided to sell. The owner of the club is struggling with efforts to rebuild, so the if, when and where of re-opening is unknown.
•Catwalk, at the side of New World Hotel. All in one place with a massage parlour, disco, KTV and a mini casino. Price is on the expensive side but it is a sight to behold. (Please note that if you want to occupy a room @ KTV, the minimum purchase is USD200.)
•Eden, De Tham Street. Often busy, full of sporties, revellers, expats and others. Dark and deep and reasonably priced for the backpacker main drag.
•Ice Blue, Dong Khoi. Downtown English pub, complete with darts board and warm beer (if you want it that way!). Friendly, but shuts at midnight.
•Juice, claims to be Saigon's first juice bar (of course it wasn't, there were many local places before - but maybe it was the first Western-managed one). Food slipped recently, but still a nice place to hang out. Has Wi-Fi.
•La Habana, 6 Cao Ba Quat, about two blocks north of the Hyatt. A restaurant and bar with Cuban theme that makes outstanding cocktails for 60,000 dong. Some are available in pitcher-size for 150,000 dong. The food is also excellent, though at the high end of Saigon prices. On Friday nights, an energetic and talented Philippino singer named Jeram attracts a standing-room only crowd.
•Level 23, Sheraton Saigon 23F. The latest on the 5-star hotel drinking scene, with separate bar and nightclub, and great views over the city. A little soulless though, and very pricey with most drinks 80000 dong.
•Lion's, 11-13 Lam Son Square, Dist.1 (next to Caravelle hostel). Brewery - Restaurant (somewhat German food), with tasty beers at an affordable price. The outside terrace is a nice place to chill out, and the inside restaurant is very welcoming with its two beer tanks and cosy bar. Cocktails are very good. Not a good place to please your teeth and tongue. though.
•Lush, at the far west end of Ly Tu Trong. A nightclub in the Western style, with loud pulsing music and minimalist too-cool decor. Hugely expensive, but musically about as good as it gets in this part of the world if you like the particular style. Mixed crowd (Vietnamese, tourists and expats), pretty good food - but no dance floor. Lots of billiards/pool tables out back.
•Metallic Bar, 41 Ba Huyen Thanh Quan, District 3. House band plays covers of Metallica, Guns N Roses and other popular rock bands nightly between 9PM and midnight.
•Napoly, Pham Ngoc Thach near the "Turtle Pond". The ground floor is a popular, somewhat upscale cafe with inside and outside seating. The bar is upstairs in the back, with a decent house band singing a mixture of Vietnamese and English songs. The resident band must predate the reunification as they know all the old songs.
•Oblivion, Bui Vien. Late night venue with lots of character, claims to be Saigon's premier music bar and it's hard to argue - assuming, that is, you have a taste for non-chart buzzy British guitar and obscure dark US/European stuff. You have to ask for happy pop, though if you're spending enough it'll sometimes get an outing. Like most Saigon bars, it attracts its share of working girls. If you're not interested, simply say you're not and you'll be left alone.
•Peaches Saigon South (Phu My Hung). Great place to enjoy a few drinks with friends. Friendly staff, great food!!
•Polo, Ham Nghi Street (above the Liberty Hotel). Mixture of expats and locals, starts getting busy quite early. Reasonably priced food and drink, good music spanning from the Eighties to the present.
•Q Bar Saigon The original, internationally acclaimed Q Bar established in 1992 under the Opera House. Mix of locals, tourists and expats in a grotto-like uber-chic setting that could as easily be in Soho as Saigon. Open till late every night. Great cocktails, though at very high prices, similar to the roof-top bar of the Caravelle Hotel across the street. It's the cool place to be seen if you have a lot of Uncle Hos in your pocket. Terrace and Indoor areas. DJ nights.
•Saigon Pho, this little hole in the wall is only a stone's throw from Allez Boo, but much more expat orientated. Open late.
•Saigon Saigon, Caravelle Hotel 9F, 12-13 Lam Son Square. A pleasant, breezy bar with a great view of the city. Live band playing inside every night. Cool, quiet ambience on the terrace. Attracts an expense-account crowd due to the prices (cocktails mostly >100,000 dong including the ++).
•Serenata and Soi Da, 6E Ngô Thời Nhiệm. Two open-air cafe-bars with live music in Villa-style settings, which attract few if any tourists but typify what most Vietnamese consider a pleasant evening out. Soi Da features mostly classical chamber music, while Serenata has a mix of classical, Vietnamese lounge music, American FM classics, and the odd French song.
•Shadow Bar, 41 Dong Du Street. Expat bar, good place to wind down or up. Recently moved premises from 56 Mac Thi Buoi Street.
•Sheridan's, Le Thanh Ton near Thai Van Lung. Small, cozy Irish-themed bar with imported draft beer and live music.
•The Tavern SB8-1 My Khanh 2 (H4-2) Nguyen Van Linh, Saigon South (Phu My Hung) tel: 4120866. Great place to enjoy a cold beer or a great "Western" meal - favourite dishes are fish'n'chips & bangers'n'mash. Reasonable prices and nice, friendly staff and management. Opens for breakfast, closes at midnight.
•Underground - more a food than a drink spot, though open for both. Sometimes busy with the business crowd, always packed with people enjoying the reasonably priced burgers, steaks and the like.
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Gossip- Pounding electronic music with freelancers if you are into the scene. Usually very crowded everyday especially weekends. Girls are usually with other guys so its pretty hard to pick up on the non FLs from my experience. Girls look pretty inside the club but once they step out into the light some of them get quite ugly that you wouldnt do for free...hehe..
Liquid- Club has became a hostess club essentially. Girls there work for the club. I didnt see any regular girls there when I was there. Some girls dont go home as I offered a few $ to take home but to no avail. Girls are cute though. Better looking than Gossips.
Volcano- Dead on weekdays. Selection of girls are alot higher on weekends but probably most of them are FLs. Didnt try to approach any girls though. Some girls I was with told me an Americanized Vn died in the club by getting into a fight and getting hit over the head with a bottle. Probably fighting over girls. In Vn its probably not like America where you can just approach girls all day even with guys and not have any repercusions. So I try to be more careful in Vn as to which girls I approach.
Lush- I like the design of the place (very westernized), but however it is way too small and usually overcrowded. You have ppl dancing on the stairs when it is really crowded and makes it a pain to maneuver. I saw way more sausages then girls there. Much more of an Ex-Pat place cause the price of the drinks are pretty steep compared to other clubs.
I will update a few more clubs when I have the time. As always happy partying and be careful.
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Ice Blue stays open past Midnight, but not every night.
And Shadow Bar will close in the next few weeks and re-open as an Italian restaurant.
Joe,
I was in Saigon last summer and was told by a local clubber Gossip was closed. The same management opened a new club not too far away. Are you sure it's called Gossip?
I was just there a few months ago. The place looked exactly like Gossip and is in the same exact location. So I am assuming its still Gossip. They might have changed names but everyone I was with still refers to it as Gossip.
[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Joe,
I was in Saigon last summer and was told by a local clubber Gossip was closed. The same management opened a new club not too far away. Are you sure it's called Gossip?[/QUOTE]
Level 23-High priced hangout for coffee drinking. Place is meant for sightseeing and taking out girls you want to impress. The view is kind of nice especially when they have good weather outside at night. Pretty boring unless you have a girl you enjoy being with. Other than that it is not a place where you go to meet new chicks. Pretty non-happening. Probably because they priced out 95% of the population.
030-I think its one of the newer clubs. (according to the girls I was with) It is the usual electronic pounding music club. I like it better than Gossip music wise. Alot more roomier but not as nice as Gossip. I saw some girls but usually with guys. However didnt see many Fls the few nights I was there.
Catwalk-Very nice place but very high priced. Girls there think they are hot and therefore think they deserve more than what they are worth. Its important to go there early if you dont want the leftovers. If you go early you get to have a selection of the hotter girls. However some of these hot girls have multiple sugar daddies on the side and thus they really dont need you. Just keep that in mind. Some of these girls are even able to quit there jobs because their SDs are giving them 3k or more per month according to some former Catwalk chicks I met.
Reminder to practice safe sex in Saigon. Girls tell me stories of other girls knowing they have HIV and still allowing guys to do them bareback.
[QUOTE=Viet1]
•Allez Boo, corner Pham Ngu Lao, De Tham. The definitive backpacker bar has closed.
•Bottom Line, Ly Tu Trong. Cubby hole for the lost and lonely. Good sports coverage, OK food, and pleasant attractive staff.[/QUOTE]
Update: These two are history already. They don't exist anymore.
Allez Boo closed. Wow! Anyone know why? It was always packed with people.
Man, can't wait to get back to check out the the scene.
By the way, anyone been to Vung Tau lately?
[QUOTE=Joe Woo]030-I think its one of the newer clubs. (according to the girls I was with) It is the usual electronic pounding music club. I like it better than Gossip music wise. Alot more roomier but not as nice as Gossip. I saw some girls but usually with guys. However didnt see many Fls the few nights I was there.[/QUOTE]Last summer Gossip was closed by the Govt for "Certain" reasons. It re-opened after like approx 2 months. and everything is back to normal.
As for 030, it is no longer known as 030. It changed its name from 030 to
X-Club. It changed its name when it stopped its daily live entertainment and renovated and changed it into a full fledged Disco with a Hip-Hop room upstairs. However, just before the TET holidays, it was shut down and remains to be shut.
Club Palace at Palace hotel was also shut by the cops before TET but I guess they have the connections to re-open it with new renovations done to the place.
There are a couple of new places.
Most notbaly is 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai. Heard alot about it but have yet to make it there.
There is another place located in Parkson District 1. Called Bounce on the 4th floor. Located also at parkson is another club called Corners. the entrance is on the right side of the main entrance of Parkson on Le thanh ton St.
Newbie,
What's going on at MGM?
Allez Boo closed, as I reported here awhile back, because the owner was offered an unrefusable amount of money. Even so the new owner knows with that location & skyrocketing property values he'll still make a mint. Dunno what is going in there though.
As for Bounce in Parkson it has the distinction of being the place with the most expensive beer I've bought in Vietnam. 108,000 for a can of Tiger after taxes, charges etc were added on.
[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Newbie,
What's going on at MGM?[/QUOTE]MGM has been shut for about a month. Heard it was sold of. In place will be a vietnamese restaurant called Ngoc Suong.
As for Bounce, it is also known to be a place for "posers" if you catch my drift.
As to what "Nonthab" mentioned about Allez boo. The reason is because the plot of land directly infront of it is on of 14 "golden plots" which the Govt wants to auction of for developement. HEard that tenders to purchase the land infront of Allez Boo has already been submitted.
Newbie,
Thanks for the info on MGM.
Are you living there?
Where are you from?
Fellow Mongerers,
There is this one place I found that hasn't been mentioned yet, but you can literally see the best looking "working" girls in Saigon in my opinion and that's saying a lot.
Don't get me wrong though, this is not a 'true' mongering place but I strongly recommend sitting down for at least a couple of beers to view the 'scenery' inside this cabaret.
I don't know if you guys know anything about 'taxi dancing' and cabarets, but in this kind of place you sit down and a mamasan will come up to you. All the ladies are generally dressed very well including cocktail dresses, ballroom dresses, or some other tasteful but slightly provocative attire. This isn't a smutty atmosphere but you choose a lady who will sit next to you and she will become your dancing partner.
They have a live music band along with a dj that plays american music from the 60-70's and of course vietnamese cabaret music. Your partner will sit with you, chat with you, and of course dance. You can grope a little bit but in a tasteful way. (arm around waist, a little cuddling.. but not overly sexual... slow down tiger.. kekeke)
Of course, you do have the option of not taking a partner and all and just say you wanna have a beer to relax. (There's an optional bar area next to the dance floor so you can sit there.) After that, no one will pester you and you'll be free to oggle at the ladies inside this place. The lowest I saw was a 7 with a nice smile but these are true 8-10's that are walking around. Keep in mind they are only dancers. But, if you have some language skills or are able to sit with an english speaking partner and play your cards right, who knows what could happen after the place closes at around 12 am?
Ask them to join you for a coffee or a midnight snack. These ladies get really hungry after all the dancing they do and usually go out to eat afterwards. Perfect opportunity in my opinion.
IMPORTANT: These ladies are not the kind you should immediately assume would be P4P but the potential is there. Also, the general crowd of an establishment like this are the upperclass vietnamese businessmen and some foreign businessman (japanese/korean/etc.) Be sure to check the menu for prices because when I was there I didn't pay. However, I think one beer there cost about 75,000 duong. But for that one beer, you gotta check out these ladies!! I've been all over d 1 and I'm hard pressed to find better looking ones. Yeah, you heard me right. Gotta see it to believe it.
PLEASE CHECK THE PRICES on the menu. I don't wanna get flamed. The mamasan is a very professional and elegant lady, she will treat you fairly.
It's a tasteful atmosphere so try not to go overboard.
If you get tired of the normal bar scene and the 'number' bar scene, it's a refreshing change of pace without the "buy me drink", hand rubbing crotch, "take me to short time hotel" mentality. I mean where else could you get a chance to sit with a truly beautiful girl (in accordance with vietnamese standards) and have a chat without all the legwork?
TO REITERATE LOCATION:
End of Dong KHoi next to the river. The Majestic Hotel is there and next to it is Maxim's. A few doors down is bar 29. Oh, next to the entrance of Maxim's is a very famous chinese restaurant which you might want to check out.
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This place is called "Thuy Thien" at District 1 District 5 border. Actually, from memory, it might actually be the next store with the "Quan 0 1" sign. Anyways, it's hard to miss since it's practically the first place on you left that consists of 3 or 4 floors. It's an open-air type pub restaurant.
It's basically a sports pub with food and beer. There are currently Carlsberg promotion girls offering you beer.
You guys gotta check out the waitresses managing the customers! Wowee! They all wear either tight clothes, skirts, or Ao Dai (I think they are the managers or reception ladies).
Anyways, the potential for pickup here is huge. Each waitress is assigned a 'section' of about 3 or 4 tables and they'll come up and make sure your ice is fresh and do other kinds of related waitress work. Try to establish 'eye-contact' and before you know it, you could be leaving from there with a number. Almost every girl I saw there was either 7 or higher. I'd say they were generally 8's there with a few higher up. The general age of the ladies are anywhere from 19-24 from their appearance.
Actually, one of the Carlsberg ladies kept coming up to my table and boy was she friendly. I noticed her keep having the eye on me but she wasn't my type.
I was just out for a beer but I could have so easily gotten her number. I don't speak any Viet by the way.
So, if you guys wanna drink in a pleasant atmosphere and check out some nice looking chicks with pickup potential. Head on over!
Location: Border of district 1 and district 5. As soon as you pass the "Cong Hoa" rotary get on to Tran Phu but it should be the first store on the left. Now that I think about it more, it's probably not Thuy Thien but the one next to it with the Quan 0 1 sign. Quan just means 'number', or so I wast told. So, it's "Number One".
Just as a side note, district 5 also contains a "China town". So, nearby at the Le Hong Phong and 3 Thang 2 ave. intersection is the Hoa Binh Theatre and some tall pagoda-like structure. I'm gonna be headed over there next time to check it out and make a report.
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[QUOTE=Zackary Kr]I don't know if you guys know anything about 'taxi dancing' and cabarets, but in this kind of place you sit down and a mamasan will come up to you. All the ladies are generally dressed very well including cocktail dresses, ballroom dresses, or some other tasteful but slightly provocative attire. This isn't a smutty atmosphere but you choose a lady who will sit next to you and she will become your dancing partner.
They have a live music band along with a dj that plays american music from the 60-70's and of course vietnamese cabaret music. Your partner will sit with you, chat with you, and of course dance.
[url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]It's called taxi dancing now? I'm glad that this sort of place still exists. I was in Saigon in 1991, and a whole disco dancing Cha Cha Cha in perfect syncronisation totally freaked me out, especially because an hour of dancing lady was less expensive than a beer. Do they still dance viennese waltz in those cabarets?
[QUOTE=Cowa Banga]Newbie,
Thanks for the info on MGM.
Are you living there?
Where are you from?[/QUOTE]No worries dude.
I have been stationed here for just over 2 years due to work and I am from Singapore.
[QUOTE=Zackary Kr]TO REITERATE LOCATION:
End of Dong KHoi next to the river. The Majestic Hotel is there and next to it is Maxim's. A few doors down is bar 29. Oh, next to the entrance of Maxim's is a very famous chinese restaurant which you might want to check out.[/QUOTE]AAAAHHHH....MAXIM'S....
Brings back memories but not really all that good.
I will agree with Zackary that all the ladies in there are lookers and trust me I have been around long enough to know.
I was introduced to a group of 6 of them in a Club 27 which is spitting distance away from Maxim's. I didnt know they were from there till on night, out of shere boredom, a group of us decided to check Maxim's out. It was the first place in HCMC that I had to pay a cover charge to get it and the ticket was to cover your first drink.
Sat at the bar because the stage area and the dance floor was completely dark, couldn't see a thing so sat at the bar. A few girls were walking around and some of them looked very very familiar and I soon realised they were the girls I met at Club 27.
Anyways, they came up to say hello etc etc and plesentries were exchanged and we soon left the place. Later that evening, one of the ladies sms me to say if I wanted to meet and i said sure. Her reply to me was "how much was I willing to pay". Just out of curiosity, I asked her what was the rate and her reply to me was USD$200. after that i deleted her number.
Not surprised that these ladies can afford to ride SH and Dylan bikes.
Maxim's is/was a high class Viet restaurant. The sort of place you would take visitors or a corporate celebration. Never seen the dancing area - should go and take a look.
[QUOTE=Zackary Kr]
Just as a side note, district 5 also contains a "China town". So, nearby at the Le Hong Phong and 3 Thang 2 ave. intersection is the Hoa Binh Theatre and some tall pagoda-like structure. I'm gonna be headed over there next time to check it out and make a report.
[/QUOTE]
Chinatown in D5 has a lot of bars etc geared to the locals but I hear it can get pretty rough. Have been told this by local guys, local bargirls and I even think I read it here somewhere.
If you go over there recommend you take some Viet company.
[QUOTE=Centaurus]Do they still dance viennese waltz in those cabarets?[/QUOTE]
Ballroom dancing, including dancers for hire, is alive and well in Saigon. My two favorites, although it's been awhile since I was there, are Maxim (next to the Majestic Hotel) and Tu Do, 2nd floor of the building on the corner of Dong Du and Dong Khoi.
As I remember it, admission is between 50-100k. Girls are about 200k per hour plus a tip. The dress code is all over the map from levis to coat and tie. A lot of visiting Viet kieu go to these places. Many of them are knockouts although they are usually there with husbands or boyfriends. These are generally not pickup places, but the girls for hire can often be taken out or met later.
Live music, lovely Vietnamese singers, dark booths and a very accommodating atmosphere.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Maxim's is/was a high class Viet restaurant. The sort of place you would take visitors or a corporate celebration. Never seen the dancing area - should go and take a look.[/QUOTE]
Maxim's restaurant is on the ground floor and it seems that you go up the stairs to the dance club. Not dressed appropriately so I did not go in.
You know, I am intrigued. I was married to my Viet wife in the Majestic Hotel in 2001. I saw Maxims then, and I wondered for a moment or two, but I got caught up in the moment of getting tied down again! Ha ha Now, I am wondering if it is the same Maxims that opened there back in 1967, during the war. That Maxims was also in the same spot. Sudsoz, has it been opened that long? Really? Or did it possibly re-open and use the same name?
Now, back during the war, if you went to where the Majestic stands today, you had to turn either right or left, (hell, I guess you still do! ) and, if you turned right, and walked a few doors down, there was a bar there called "Maxines", not to be confused with Maxims. Oh, the stories I could tell about that place! LOL The Mamasan in Maxines loved Cherry Boys. A buddy of mine took me in there one evening, and I was maybe 19 years old at the time, and convinced Mamasan I was a Cherry Boy, which I was not. LOL She begged me, and begged me and begged me. She even paid for my beer. She wanted to deflower me!
So, being a Southern Gentleman, as I am, and being as, where I come from, it is impolite to keep a lady waiting all night, I allowed her to do that! My gosh! Oh well, the free beer made it all worth while! LOL
Sudz, please let me know what you know about Maxims.
[QUOTE=Hardlock1]
Sudz, please let me know what you know about Maxims.[/QUOTE]I have only been coming to HCMC for about 4 years and it has been there all that time. All I know.
On hearing some of the comments about the girls asking prices at the dance joint I would tend to put it into the same category as Club Royale and Catwalk. The women do look good and they believe they are high class so they ask high prices but my experience is that they are primma donnas and clockwatchers.
Hey guys,
I'm a long time reader of the forum and it has definitly steered me in the right direction many a time, so I thought I would give a little something back. I don't if this place has been mentioned before but a couple of nights ago a checked out oblivion on bui vien st. In pham ngu lao. Its a pretty laid back girly bar. Drinks are reasonably priced and the girls not too pushy for lady drinks. I had a few drinks, bought a few lady drinks then offered to take the girl out. Aparently there is no bar fine policy and you agree on the price with the girl. She asked for 500k vnd but I got her down to 400k for st. She then took me to a st hotel right on bui vien which charged I think less then 10 bucks for st use. All in all a nice easy relatively inexpensive night. The bar doesn't have the best quality girls, but for a laid back inexpensive atmosphere I would highly reccomend it.
Hardlock
i think the same family owns it for ever
I don't quite understand why many of you think the WGs at Apocalypse Now are not that good looking, but I saw a lot awesome looking girls there, in side the club at least. I didn't ask about the prices, but it should be about 1mil/pop.
Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Big T84]All in all a nice easy relatively inexpensive night. The bar doesn't have the best quality girls, but for a laid back inexpensive atmosphere I would highly reccomend it.[/QUOTE]I ended up in Oblivion a few months back. Was taken to Biu Vien by a motorbike and dropped off at Cheers. Had never been there before but it was dead and I noted as we drove past Oblivion that it looked busy so wandered back down the street (about 50m). Found a space at the end of the bar and had a beer. Barmaid very friendly and quite articulate, and I noticed that the G&T's she was mixing for others looked really good, so I ordered one too. That was my big mistake! They were damned good - huge block of ice, very generous slug of gin and a dash of tonic. So I had another and the waitress was suddenly next to me, so I bought her a drink and had another myself.
We were chatting away and then something completely bizarre happened - the manageress (I guess) suddenly took offence at the waitress talking to me (or neglecting her other duties) even though I had been dutifully buying drinks. Then she took her to the sofa, put her over her lap and starting spanking her - not gently. No-one could explain to me what had happened so at this point I thought I had better change positions and moved to the front of the bar, and ordered another Gin. This is where things start to get a little hazy ...
At some point I vaguely remember starting to talk to another woman, in any case the next thing I remember with any clarity is fucking a very attractive, slightly more mature (which I like) woman with lovely large firm breasts from behind. We were in a small hotel off Pham Ngu Lao and it was about 7am. Somehow I had lost about 3 hours of my life: I have no recollection of leaving the bar, no real recollection of talking to this particular woman, but I was very happy to find myself with her. (Her name is Suoung by the way).
So Oblivion lived up to its name but I vouch for the fact that the atmosphere was very relaxed, the prices reasonable (as far as I remember) and the G&T certainly one of the best I have ever had. Highly recommended!
I ended up in Oblivion a few months back. Was taken to Biu Vien by a motorbike and dropped off at Cheers. Had never been there before but it was dead and I noted as we drove past Oblivion that it looked busy so wandered back down the street (about 50m). Found a space at the end of the bar and had a beer. Barmaid very friendly and quite articulate, and I noticed that the G&T's she was mixing for others looked really good, so I ordered one too. That was my big mistake! They were damned good. Huge block of ice, very generous slug of gin and a dash of tonic. So I had another and the waitress was suddenly next to me, so I bought her a drink and had another myself.
We were chatting away and then something completely bizarre happened. The manageress (I guess) suddenly took offence at the waitress talking to me (or neglecting her other duties) even though I had been dutifully buying drinks. Then she took her to the sofa, put her over her lap and starting spanking her. Not gently. No-one could explain to me what had happened so at this point I thought I had better change positions and moved to the front of the bar, and ordered another Gin. This is where things start to get a little hazy.
At some point I vaguely remember starting to talk to another woman, in any case the next thing I remember with any clarity is fucking a very attractive, slightly more mature (which I like) woman with lovely large firm breasts from behind. We were in a small hotel off Pham Ngu Lao and it was about 7am. Somehow I had lost about 3 hours of my life: I have no recollection of leaving the bar, no real recollection of talking to this particular woman, but I was very happy to find myself with her. (Her name is Suoung by the way).
So Oblivion lived up to its name but I vouch for the fact that the atmosphere was very relaxed, the prices reasonable (as far as I remember) and the G&T certainly one of the best I have ever had. Highly recommended!
Has anyone had any experiences bagging a girl from Liquid before? I met this one really hot girl there and I offered her $200 USD and she refused. So I was left high and dry that night.
[QUOTE=Jacky33]Has anyone had any experiences bagging a girl from Liquid before? I met this one really hot girl there and I offered her $200 USD and she refused. So I was left high and dry that night.[/QUOTE]
Liquid seems to have mostly regular gals from monied families so you probably insulted her by offering money. You may have to work a little harder and maybe propose something different - like a couple of days in Phan Thiet or even KL.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Liquid seems to have mostly regular gals from monied families so you probably insulted her by offering money. You may have to work a little harder and maybe propose something different - like a couple of days in Phan Thiet or even KL.[/QUOTE]Sudsoz when was the last time you were at Liquid? I think they changed the format of the club. Its mostly hostess girls there now that work for the club. They just keep you company for the time you are there and you give them like 200k tip at the end. I obviously wanted more than just company...hehe....Has anyone else been to Liquid recently? Some very attractive girls there.
Nothing missing ? Like a kidney ?
[QUOTE=Ian Oxon]I ended up in Oblivion a few months back. Was taken to Biu Vien by a motorbike and dropped off at Cheers. Had never been there before but it was dead and I noted as we drove past Oblivion that it looked busy so wandered back down the street (about 50m). Found a space at the end of the bar and had a beer. Barmaid very friendly and quite articulate, and I noticed that the G&T's she was mixing for others looked really good, so I ordered one too. That was my big mistake! They were damned good. Huge block of ice, very generous slug of gin and a dash of tonic. So I had another and the waitress was suddenly next to me, so I bought her a drink and had another myself.
We were chatting away and then something completely bizarre happened. The manageress (I guess) suddenly took offence at the waitress talking to me (or neglecting her other duties) even though I had been dutifully buying drinks. Then she took her to the sofa, put her over her lap and starting spanking her. Not gently. No-one could explain to me what had happened so at this point I thought I had better change positions and moved to the front of the bar, and ordered another Gin. This is where things start to get a little hazy.
At some point I vaguely remember starting to talk to another woman, in any case the next thing I remember with any clarity is fucking a very attractive, slightly more mature (which I like) woman with lovely large firm breasts from behind. We were in a small hotel off Pham Ngu Lao and it was about 7am. Somehow I had lost about 3 hours of my life: I have no recollection of leaving the bar, no real recollection of talking to this particular woman, but I was very happy to find myself with her. (Her name is Suoung by the way).
So Oblivion lived up to its name but I vouch for the fact that the atmosphere was very relaxed, the prices reasonable (as far as I remember) and the G&T certainly one of the best I have ever had. Highly recommended![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wapec]Nothing missing ? Like a kidney ?[/QUOTE]
For those unaware there is a healthy (or unhealthy) medical trade in body parts in Vietnam and the participants are generally consenting. However it would not be much of a step to waylay a drunken foreigner and grab some bargain components.
It is extremely unwise to get excessively drunk in public places in any developing country.
Allez Boo is re-opening in early August across the road from where they were, where Lotteria was. 3 floors it seems.
[QUOTE=Nonthab]Allez Boo is re-opening in early August across the road from where they were, where Lotteria was. 3 floors it seems.[/QUOTE]Is Allez Boo more like a Gossip type of club or a Liquid type of club?
After reading many pages of the forum I decided to try Oblivion. This was my first trip to Saigon and I do not speak any Vietnese. My client took me to a KTV the night before where I totally didnt hit it off with my girl (she spoke no English) so I went with an office collegue for some "adventure" on my own.
We found the bar pretty easy but it was really dead since it was a Tuesday and it was raining. Tiny hole in the wall, maybe 3 meters by 10 meters with only a bar table and a sofa in the back. Was immediately sat down by two girls who started by having us order a beer each and one for them. Each was 30,000 so I was not too concerned.
My girl, I think her same is something like Song Ge "Song GIrl", spoke limited English but was very friendly and touchy. After about 2 rounds of drinks we start with the negotations. Me and my girl settled on 500,000 but my friend was much more uptight and would not take his out. The bar maids got into the conversation and I even got the cuter of the two to commit to 1 mil for ST. But my friend would not bite so we paid and left for the hotel.
The staff stopped me and told me that guests were not allowed up after 8pm (totally bullshit) but no use arguing so we took a cab back to the bar to find a cheap hotel room. On the way we got into heavy petting, me massaging her tight B-cups and her playing with my cock through my pants. After many minutes of kissing and petting we arrive and walk across the street to a small hotel, 150,000 for the room and we were in. Fairly clean hotel with twin beds, so Song Ge tells me to take a quick shower and when I am done she is naked on the bed.
Now she is not a stunner but has very soft skin and has that quiet, sexy smoldering look. She said she is 20 and I think at most she is that. I get into bed and start kissing her and playing with her body. After a couple minutes of this she pushes me down and starts to give me a BBBJ where I knew she was really into it. She has thick lips that were great to kiss and gave me an even hotter BJ. She askes me if I am going to cum (we had joked that she could suck me off in one minute, but I said 5) and I told her no. So she slips on the condom and gets on top. Boy was she tight! I know I am her first tonight and its going to be a good session. By the time I flip her over to mish she is almost overflowing. Mish was great and I decided not to finish in doggy since I wanted to cum looking at those sexy lips, which is exactly what I did. I think I gave her a double load and she was surprised too when she saw how much it was. The smile on her face when we were cleaning up told me all I needed to know. Would have gone back the next night but had to catch the plane to head back to Taiwan, where its a lot more expensive for equal talent.
But all in all a very good time.
Total damage-150,000 for 2 rounds of beers, 150,000 for the quicky hotel room and 500,000 for smoking hot sex with a Saigon girl. I am pretty sure I paid too much by local standards but that works out to less than US $40 so cannot complain.
Good luck out there and happy hunting.
Rag42
[QUOTE=Jacky33]Is Allez Boo more like a Gossip type of club or a Liquid type of club?[/QUOTE]
Neither -- it's (was/will be) a straight bar catering to backpacker crowd, exactly like Go2, which is more or less a copy of the original Allez Boo. Nothing like either of those clubs.
[QUOTE=Jacky33]Sudsoz when was the last time you were at Liquid? I think they changed the format of the club. Its mostly hostess girls there now that work for the club. They just keep you company for the time you are there and you give them like 200k tip at the end. I obviously wanted more than just company...hehe....Has anyone else been to Liquid recently? Some very attractive girls there.[/QUOTE]
How is it different than it was in the past? I was there a couple years back, not since.
Has anyone checked out 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai yet? Drove past last night and the area was packed with parked cars -- something you never see in HCMC at any place. Dozens of parked cars all over outside that club. I'm sure the checkbill will be healthy.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Has anyone checked out 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai yet? Drove past last night and the area was packed with parked cars -- something you never see in HCMC at any place. Dozens of parked cars all over outside that club. I'm sure the checkbill will be healthy.[/QUOTE]Is 97 a club or karaoke? I guess I will check it out next time I am around there. Wendella what is the current exchange rate for the VN dong vs the dollar that you are getting in Vietnam wendella? I will be there soon and I dont want to get ripped off by the gold shops.
Its club 98, awesome place to party, really good music.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Has anyone checked out 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai yet? Drove past last night and the area was packed with parked cars -- something you never see in HCMC at any place. Dozens of parked cars all over outside that club. I'm sure the checkbill will be healthy.[/QUOTE]Its Club 98, awesome place to party with really good music.
[QUOTE=Jacky33]Is 97 a club or karaoke? I guess I will check it out next time I am around there. Wendella what is the current exchange rate for the VN dong vs the dollar that you are getting in Vietnam wendella? I will be there soon and I dont want to get ripped off by the gold shops.[/QUOTE]
Gold shops on Cong Quynh are always fair -- it's hovering around 16700 to 16800 this past week, at least when i checked. The bank rate is very close now these days, it's settled down.
That place I mentioned looks like it must be a nightclub.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Has anyone checked out 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai yet? Drove past last night and the area was packed with parked cars -- something you never see in HCMC at any place. Dozens of parked cars all over outside that club. I'm sure the checkbill will be healthy.[/QUOTE]97 NTMK is a discotheque. Got 2 levels I. E. 2nd & 3rd floor. Both floors are relatively small, super packed during weekends and the music is typical loud techno type. Dint notice FR during my last couple of visits there but it's a place to be if you want to see pretty MILF or SYT, who really dress to kill. Drink wise is higher than other disco, but you will notice most tables has chivas or martell. Hardly anyone drink Heineken.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Gold shops on Cong Quynh are always fair -- it's hovering around 16700 to 16800 this past week, at least when i checked. The bank rate is very close now these days, it's settled down.
That place I mentioned looks like it must be a nightclub.[/QUOTE]Ya, agreed tat nowadays the exchange rates between gold smith and other money changer not much different. So, not worth to travel to specifically change money at goldsmith unless you have large sum or you happen to be near the place. Today rate is USD 1 = VND 16,700.
[QUOTE=Mouseymike]Ya, agreed tat nowadays the exchange rates between gold smith and other money changer not much different. So, not worth to travel to specifically change money at goldsmith unless you have large sum or you happen to be near the place. Today rate is USD 1 = VND 16,700.[/QUOTE]
If the rates are the same, always much less hassle to go to the gold shop -- its a quick and easy exchange. In banks you often have to wait, sign papers, show ID, etc etc. Though if you're nearer to the bank...
[QUOTE=Mouseymike]97 NTMK is a discotheque. Got 2 levels I. E. 2nd & 3rd floor. Both floors are relatively small, super packed during weekends and the music is typical loud techno type. Dint notice FR during my last couple of visits there but it's a place to be if you want to see pretty MILF or SYT, who really dress to kill. Drink wise is higher than other disco, but you will notice most tables has chivas or martell. Hardly anyone drink Heineken.[/QUOTE]
Looks like I need to brush up on my abbreviations. OK the forum's list says FR's are field reports. That's obviously not what you mean. FL? MILF and SYT seem like they must be correct. No FL? All that money flying around and nobody's working? How much for a Heineken?
[QUOTE=Ragnarok42]After reading many pages of the forum I decided to try Oblivion. This was my first trip to Saigon and I do not speak any Vietnese. My client took me to a KTV the night before where I totally didnt hit it off with my girl (she spoke no English) so I went with an office collegue for some "adventure" on my own.
We found the bar pretty easy but it was really dead since it was a Tuesday and it was raining. Tiny hole in the wall, maybe 3 meters by 10 meters with only a bar table and a sofa in the back. Was immediately sat down by two girls who started by having us order a beer each and one for them. Each was 30,000 so I was not too concerned.
My girl, I think her same is something like Song Ge "Song GIrl", spoke limited English but was very friendly and touchy. After about 2 rounds of drinks we start with the negotations. Me and my girl settled on 500,000 but my friend was much more uptight and would not take his out. The bar maids got into the conversation and I even got the cuter of the two to commit to 1 mil for ST. But my friend would not bite so we paid and left for the hotel.
The staff stopped me and told me that guests were not allowed up after 8pm (totally bullshit) but no use arguing so we took a cab back to the bar to find a cheap hotel room. On the way we got into heavy petting, me massaging her tight B-cups and her playing with my cock through my pants. After many minutes of kissing and petting we arrive and walk across the street to a small hotel, 150,000 for the room and we were in. Fairly clean hotel with twin beds, so Song Ge tells me to take a quick shower and when I am done she is naked on the bed.
Now she is not a stunner but has very soft skin and has that quiet, sexy smoldering look. She said she is 20 and I think at most she is that. I get into bed and start kissing her and playing with her body. After a couple minutes of this she pushes me down and starts to give me a BBBJ where I knew she was really into it. She has thick lips that were great to kiss and gave me an even hotter BJ. She askes me if I am going to cum (we had joked that she could suck me off in one minute, but I said 5) and I told her no. So she slips on the condom and gets on top. Boy was she tight! I know I am her first tonight and its going to be a good session. By the time I flip her over to mish she is almost overflowing. Mish was great and I decided not to finish in doggy since I wanted to cum looking at those sexy lips, which is exactly what I did. I think I gave her a double load and she was surprised too when she saw how much it was. The smile on her face when we were cleaning up told me all I needed to know. Would have gone back the next night but had to catch the plane to head back to Taiwan, where its a lot more expensive for equal talent.
But all in all a very good time.
Total damage-150,000 for 2 rounds of beers, 150,000 for the quicky hotel room and 500,000 for smoking hot sex with a Saigon girl. I am pretty sure I paid too much by local standards but that works out to less than US $40 so cannot complain.
Good luck out there and happy hunting.
Rag42[/QUOTE]Great Report Ragnorak! For US $40 you had a blast! As that time Stateside would have easily been 10X as much or more.
[QUOTE=Crusher777]Its club 98, awesome place to party, really good music.[/QUOTE]
It's not Club 98, the one I was talking about is definitely 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai. It's near the intersection of CMT8. It's possible you're thinking about a totally different club -- there are a couple further down NTMK on the opposite side of the street, down at about Pham Ngoc Thach street. Don't know the addresses of those, but it's possible that one of those is the Club 98 you're talking about (or you're just mistaken if you meant the one I mentioned). I checked and saw that across the street from 97 NTMK on the even side of the street, the numbers were in the 300s, so if there's a 98, it must be a good ways down the road.
EDIT: I'm writing the next morning after making this post, editing in what I discovered last night while driving home from work down NTMK. There is in fact a big night club at 96 NTMK, not 98. There is also another club at about 78 NTMK (no number on the building I could see). Those are both on the north side of the street. 97 NTMK is on the south side of the street, a good ways further west.
Which nightclubs shut at 1am on a Saturday night? Would that be Gossip? I ask because I keep spotting a girl I used to know and like a bit after 1am eating in PNL, all dressed up looking ready for work. At first I assumed she was on her way to work at that late time, maybe to Go2 or another PNL bar. But last night she finished her meal and disappeared down an alley, apparently going HOME, not to work. So it means she was on her way home from work, not going to work.
The new Allez Boo just reopened finally. It seems very noisy -- in fact that entire area around it is made noisy by it.
I don't quite get all this excitement over sad little Oblivion bar. Last time I was there I had a 30something woman sneak up behind me and start groping me all over, including the ultimate prize. I looked at her, she smiled broadly, showing the open spaces where a few front teeth used to be. I was reminded of the scene in The Shining when Jack Nicholson explores an open hotel room. Anyway, I think if I were to rank about 40 nightspots in HCMC, including Oblivion, it would have to be in the high 30s, if not number 40. It just seems a bit odd, all these positive reviews of Oblivion showing up at the same time. Suspicious, almost.
Wendella are you going to still be in Saigon next week? Can you speak Vietnamese? Maybe we can go and check out 97 together to see if they have hotties there.
[QUOTE=Wendella]It's not Club 98, the one I was talking about is definitely 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai. It's near the intersection of CMT8. It's possible you're thinking about a totally different club -- there are a couple further down NTMK on the opposite side of the street, down at about Pham Ngoc Thach street. Don't know the addresses of those, but it's possible that one of those is the Club 98 you're talking about (or you're just mistaken if you meant the one I mentioned). I checked and saw that across the street from 97 NTMK on the even side of the street, the numbers were in the 300s, so if there's a 98, it must be a good ways down the road.
EDIT: I'm writing the next morning after making this post, editing in what I discovered last night while driving home from work down NTMK. There is in fact a big night club at 96 NTMK, not 98. There is also another club at about 78 NTMK (no number on the building I could see). Those are both on the north side of the street. 97 NTMK is on the south side of the street, a good ways further west.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wendella]I'm writing the next morning after making this post, editing in what I discovered last night while driving home from work down NTMK. There is in fact a big night club at 96 NTMK, not 98. There is also another club at about 78 NTMK (no number on the building I could see). Those are both on the north side of the street. 97 NTMK is on the south side of the street, a good ways further west.[/QUOTE]96 Ngueyn THi Minh Khai is called Butterfly Bar. It is located above a car showroom. Cant remenber the brand.
It is just digonally opposite The Avalon Service Apartments. It is not really that big. Maybe about 2.5 times the size of Napoly Bar.
It opens Till 3am
[QUOTE=Wendella]Which nightclubs shut at 1am on a Saturday night? Would that be Gossip? [/QUOTE]Yes, Gossip stays open till 1am.
96 Nguyen thi Minh Khai opens till 3.
Club America @ An Dong Plaza stays open till 3am on Fridays & Saturdays.
Not sure but I think Club 27 at Ngu Duc Ke D1 should also be open till 3am. It has been a long time since I last was there.
[QUOTE=Newbie]Yes, Gossip stays open till 1am.
96 Nguyen thi Minh Khai opens till 3.
Club America @ An Dong Plaza stays open till 3am on Fridays & Saturdays.
Not sure but I think Club 27 at Ngu Duc Ke D1 should also be open till 3am. It has been a long time since I last was there.[/QUOTE]
OK it must be Gossip then. Haven't been in that place in over a year. America, same. Not sure if I was in 96 or not already -- I was in one of those NTMK clubs -- actually I think it was the one at 78 NTMK. Have not been to 27 yet.
Napoly bar? Which is that?
[QUOTE=Wendella]OK it must be Gossip then. Haven't been in that place in over a year. America, same. Not sure if I was in 96 or not already -- I was in one of those NTMK clubs -- actually I think it was the one at 78 NTMK. Have not been to 27 yet.
Napoly bar? Which is that?[/QUOTE]When You say 78NTMK, is it the one with the big ass buffet restaurant on the ground floor? and the entrance is on the right side of hte restaurant? If it is I think the number is 88. Not sure though.
Club 27 is nothing to shout about. Small, plays loud music and alot of "unsavoury" chracters if you get my drift.
Napoly is located at 7 Pham Nguc Thach. 2 Storey building located next door to Cafe Sao. Downstairs has a Cafe, upstairs is a Bar with a live band/prs/ hot looking bar staff and A disco called "Cristal" which also has PRs
The PRs of "Cristal" were formerly working at Club Echo @ Nguyen Trung Truc (not sure of the spelling but its located next door to Rosy Cafe)
[QUOTE=Newbie]When You say 78NTMK, is it the one with the big ass buffet restaurant on the ground floor? and the entrance is on the right side of the restaurant? If it is I think the number is 88. Not sure though.
Club 27 is nothing to shout about. Small, plays loud music and alot of "unsavoury" chracters if you get my drift.
Napoly is located at 7 Pham Nguc Thach. 2 Storey building located next door to Cafe Sao. Downstairs has a Cafe, upstairs is a Bar with a live band/prs/ hot looking bar staff and A disco called "Cristal" which also has PRs
The PRs of "Cristal" were formerly working at Club Echo @ Nguyen Trung Truc (not sure of the spelling but its located next door to Rosy Cafe)[/QUOTE]
Sorry I was guessing the address of 78 NTMK because next door was 76 and I didn't see a number on the building with the club. It may well be 88 NTMK. Funny, last time I was there, they had a nightclub on the ground floor and another one way up top. I wasn't thrilled with either. Things change though, maybe its good now. I think it's the same property that used to be Viet's Top (with the clear plexiglass floors). The buffet must have taken over what used to be the ground level nightclub. (assuming its the same place I'm thinking of -- looks like I'll need to inspect more closely next time I drive by)
I've been in Echo, which has changed names a few times. It seems to be back now to being called "008", which is what it was named when I arrived here in 2003. It wasn't bad the few times I visited, though not so great that it made me want to keep going back. I think it was being called 888 before it got changed to Club Echo.
OK now I know the place you mean, Napoly, of course. Have driven past many many times. Just off the big roundabout.
And all this reminds me of a place that hasn't been talked about in a long time: Medusa. Well that's the former name, changed to Zeus. Last I heard they had a crackdown and lots of problems, don't know if things ever got back to normal. This was in the back of the Amara Hotel near the start of Le Van Sy street.
[QUOTE=Wendella]
And all this reminds me of a place that hasn't been talked about in a long time: Medusa. Well that's the former name, changed to Zeus. Last I heard they had a crackdown and lots of problems, don't know if things ever got back to normal. This was in the back of the Amara Hotel near the start of Le Van Sy street.[/QUOTE]
I was in Zeus last March. There were more and prettier girls in the Medusa days, but the current lineup is not bad. Off site service was still being offered for $100, but I feel certain that it can be had for less.
OK I’ve been a lurker for a few months now and this is my first post before I head out to VN in 2 weeks. I am viet kieu from California traveling with 3 others guys. I will be there mid month in Sept.
Here is my cheat sheet of all the bars I would like to go to. Can some of you veterans tell me if ANY of these clubs have closed or have temporarily shut down?
How would you rank each one of these clubs? Any other better clubs do you recommend? Any tips and comments would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Hanoi:
New Century Disco
Fortuna Hotel/Boss Nightclub
Hanoi Hotel/Hanoi Nightclub
17 Saloon
Relax Cafe
Saigon:
Go2 Bar
Blue Club
Allez Boo
Liquid
Temple Club
Palace
Lush
[QUOTE=Beefy6969]
Saigon:
Go2 Bar & Allez Boo[/QUOTE]
Both located at the Back Packers area. Known for alot of touts hanging around. GO2 opens till Late or early depending on how you look at it
[QUOTE=Beefy6969]Blue Club & Temple Club[/QUOTE]
Have not heard of these places. Wendella might be able to help you here.
[QUOTE=Beefy6969]Liquid & Palace [/QUOTE]
BOth of these places cater more to the local crowds. Both of these places provide PRs to accompany you but not many. As for looks wise, its subjective
[QUOTE=Beefy6969]Lush[/QUOTE]
This is known for its mostly expat crowds and it charges a Cover Charge. Pricey drinks
Thanks for the quick reply Newbie!
I appreciate your comments and insights. =)
Will be returning to Vn in Dec. and have seen little or no action at the bars during my 4 different stays. I'll have a friend in tow this trip and would like to show him a "good" time. I'm not much of a night owl and do most of my mongering at the hotels I stay in by having the doormen send girls my way. Just enjoy it better that way, safer. How late does the action start in these places?
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Will be returning to Vn in Dec. and have seen little or no action at the bars during my 4 different stays. I'll have a friend in tow this trip and would like to show him a "good" time. I'm not much of a night owl and do most of my mongering at the hotels I stay in by having the doormen send girls my way. Just enjoy it better that way, safer. How late does the action start in these places?[/QUOTE]The HBT bars open at about 5pm although the gals are busy eating at this time. They shut about midnight but often put up the shutters but allow customers to stay.
When I arrived at Saigon, I went of course to fan-ku-lai rd, where many foreigner oriented hotel, bars and "services" are concentrated.
To find a guest (girl)-friendly hotel was not easy. It is better to ask upfront just to avoid surprise later.
"I will have girl friend, is it ok? "
"yes, of course"
"viet-nam girl, is it ok"
Generally the answer is NO.
When I found an guest-friendly hotel (it was the SAO-NAM hotel. 14 usd at night, clean, nice, with all room with tv, bathroom, nice big bed, a/c, wireless internet, scooter parking). Nothing fancy, but exactly what I needed for 5 days.
Sorry, for the previous post. It was directed to the hotel thread.
Anyway, there is bar, called boys bar on bui-vien, where there are other bars too. Some are more lively with pool, girls touching and hugging you. Boys is just a standard one, with 5-7 nice smiling girls, eager to entertain you, selling some drink, and coming with you for st or lt, previous payment of a small fee gor the bar (thai bar-fine).
I was just crazy about the eyes of a lady there (she remembered me of another girl I met before in my life). Not a small and young one, but a mother of a girl of 7-8. Spoke a little with her. She didn't want to kiss in bar even, she said from nha-thang, and not working on regular basis.
Took her. We were boyfriend and gf for 5 days. She invited me at home, gave food, showed around the city, showed the pics of her farang "support" boyfriend home. We fucked well together. Very sweet, and very wet BBBJ. A little abundant body, but nice to touch, kiss, spank and sleep on.
With her skooter she took care of my small illness bringing to socialist med dispensaries and hospitals. A nice way to see the city, go in the cafes, look the real life of viets (at least the in-love couples only for 20 usd a day (24 hrs! ). No previous discussion of price.
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Went down to Dong Do this morning to Club Italia for my Sunday brunch of football, beer and the sweet ladies.
Seems that Club Italia has been sold and all of the sports stuff and big screens are being moved out. The gals are out of jobs.
I had one bloody mary whilst Phu cried on my shoulder and then I left. She does not even have a mobile phone so I can catch her later!
Hi,
been reading the forum but not really adding much so I thought I better as I am off to HCM again in about 6 weeks (4th time this year). Last trip I hit the bars around the Sheraton. Most are called after a number and all within a few hundred metres of the Sheraton. I found them all pretty much the same, girls ready to go to a st hotel with you which I like as sometimes I don't feel like wasting time and I like the idea of choosing my girl first.
Because I visited regularly I got to know the Mamasan in some of them and I do believe that her advice was simple for a newbie. If you go to a bar then it is all pretty straight forward and safe as they have a pretty efficient system working. Prices vary a little but usually they all settle for $20 for the bar, $20 for ST hotel and the girl is the part that varies but usually I was happy with $70. I found out later from both the girl and mamasan that the bar takes 50% of the girl price so that's why girls really try to bargin hard. If you barter before leaving the bar then sometimes the girl made me tell the mamasan the price agreed to so the mamasan didn't think the girl was trying to rip her off.
My operation is simple, go to a few bars, pay the price but get the girls number and then deal direct. This worked really well last time and I got the ST hotel for $15 instead of $20 and the girl got the whole $70, so for $90 I was happy and so was she. The only problem was it then was hard to get rid of her. The only reason I wanted to off-load her was I was after a little variety and didn't want the same girl every night. She was cute and very sweet and willing to do anything although at times she did over act a bit!
I will now put a little story into the "other areas" section about the street girls.
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Well on my last trip to HCM in July I met up with many wonderful ladies but none were about to let me take a photo. One girl told me that they were told by mamasan not to let men take photos as it could cause trouble for them and her. So I took my camera on each encounter only not to be able to use it. I told my friend and he found the same (especially around dist 1) but he found that if you promised no head shots and showed them the photo then he managed to get some and in one case the girl was soooooooo hot that he told her he would give her a tip if she posed for him and she did. Next time I will try and give that a try but I do suggest not putting faces onto the site as it is a little unfair to them so block out the face before posting.
Those of you experienced with HCM girls. How do you find them?
What I mean is do you think they are good as I have found 99% very nice girls but pretty poor in the bedroom. Inexperienced and not willing to do much except the basics or otherwise they overact and make too much noise like a bad porno. I have come across very few really good girls and usually have to try and teach them what to do.
What happened to the sexy tease, foreplay and variety! Some I even told the mamasan that the girl was sweet but really bad when it came to doing the deed. She said only regulars ever complain and people passing through are happy with what they get.
So what have you guys found them like in general?
[QUOTE=Viet1]
I will now put a little story into the "other areas" section about the street girls.
[/QUOTE]
I think 'Other Areas' is for places in Vietnam that aren't HCMC or Hanoi. If it's about HCMC, should probably go in HCMC General Info. If it's not HCMC, well, never mind. ;)
I have went to club 97 and gossip during the past month. So far I think club 97 is better although more expensive. Club 97 has two floors....first floor is hip hop and 2nd floor is electronic music. Club 97 is also nicer inside also. Club 97 has alot more stunners also compared to Gossip. However most of the stunners I saw were with other guys so it might be tough to hit on them. Gossip the girls are just ok in my opinion...I barely see any real stunners there.
[QUOTE=Jacky33]Club 97 has alot more stunners also compared to Gossip. However most of the stunners I saw were with other guys so it might be tough to hit on them. Gossip the girls are just ok in my opinion...I barely see any real stunners there.[/QUOTE]
Club 97 hardly has any FLs around and the few I saw went there with customers. I do agree that the FLs at Gossip are average looking but I have found a few that are stunners. Also quite a hand few of the Lady Customers are really hot. Especially thoes around the dance floor as well as in front of the DJ booth
Went to Allez Booz on Friday night. My opinion is that place is pretty bad if you are looking for girls. The working girls were usually not great looking and saw a couple of seahag freelancers there also. I went there late so maybe the top notch quality girls were gone already....but I definitely wouldnt go back there again.
I hope I can get some info from those members more experienced in HCM city than I. I am after some info on the "greenroom".
A friend of a friend that was recently based in HCM city, swears by a place with this name, I have googled it and searched this site but nothing comes up.
It sounds like a bar with pool tables, large screen tvs and most importantly very pretty girls that do very naughty things for 100K dong.
Any help much appreciated.
I had printed out a bunch of pages before I left on my trip, and in going through all of them today, I saw Cafe 29, and thought I'd check it out, since it was within walking distance of my hotel.
It might have been early (4:30pm), but there were only a couple of girls there, including the bar tender. There was one white dude in there, but I'm not sure if he was the owner.
A friendly lady, Win, came up and was working on separating me from my cash as soon as possible. She hit me up for a LD immediately, which I usually avoid paying, but at 50K, I thought I could afford it.
That got me a free hand up my short, and her playing with Mr. Happy. I also got a DFK, and my hands got to go everywhere I tried with no problem. She scarfed the drink down, and wanted another after just 5 minutes. Er, no thanks. When I was deciding if I would take her, I checked out her tits, and she pulled her bra down, and let me fondle them a bit. A decent attitude.
I ask how much for a BBBJ upstairs, and she quotes me 500k, which is 200k more than has been reported on. I protested a bit, but she said that was the price now. I was probably paying the Gringo tax, but I did try vigorously to pay the 300k, to no avail. I end up paying the 500k upfront.
We head upstairs, to some little couches, and pull my shorts and underwear off. She goes to town, after using some handiwipes to freshen up the dick a bit. She went to town, and did a pretty good job. I can't say I lasted long, probably 8 minutes, if I'm lucky. She then started whining for a tip, which at a 500k price, I thought was silly.
I then go downstairs to settle up the bill (30k water, 50k LD). I paid with a 100k note, and the girl is still whining for money. They have no change. They finally come up with a 20k note, and Win grabs it and says, "Tip". I wasn't going to fight about it, and just took off.
Senor Cartero:
Interesting. You got your service done in the main room upstairs, or inside the cubbyhole?
Normally that would happen in the cubbyhole, or that's how it has been.
I ask because last night I was there and wanted to go with my girl upstairs, but she said we couldn't unless we were going up there for extra activities -- if that's a rule, it's a very new rule. I was upstairs not getting extra activities just this past week, with the same girl.
If this is the case, it would suck because the best thing about that bar is going upstairs to hang out with your girl on a sofa. They'll never be able to get me in the mood if I can only ever hang out downstairs in the bar. And actually I can't see going there if it's just to hang out downstairs at the bar. Boring.
Yes, it was on the normal couches. Maybe I'm too big to fit in the cubbyhole? :) As I was a close to blowing my wad, a girl was coming up the stairs, and my blow-mistress told her to wait. I have no idea, of course, what is normal here.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Senor Cartero:
Interesting. You got your service done in the main room upstairs, or inside the cubbyhole?
Normally that would happen in the cubbyhole, or that's how it has been.
I ask because last night I was there and wanted to go with my girl upstairs, but she said we couldn't unless we were going up there for extra activities -- if that's a rule, it's a very new rule. I was upstairs not getting extra activities just this past week, with the same girl.
If this is the case, it would suck because the best thing about that bar is going upstairs to hang out with your girl on a sofa. They'll never be able to get me in the mood if I can only ever hang out downstairs in the bar. And actually I can't see going there if it's just to hang out downstairs at the bar. Boring.[/QUOTE]
Well, I was looking around the Go2 Bar area, and stopped there to have a drink. Saw a few friendly local girls, but nothing that caught my eye. I also had a girl a block away standing on the corner, and she looked interesting, but I'm wary of girls on the street like that. Maybe it's just me. :)
I had wanted to check out Rivev's, but couldn't find it.
I finally went into Li Li's, since I was at the end of the street almost. 4 or 5 ladies working. 3 of them pretty unfuckable. Bought one decent looking one a LD for 50k, although her friend tried to order her a 60k one. Got a little LFK going on, and she was massaging my dick through my shorts. Fairly high pressure from the other girls there to buy them drinks too, but no such luck for them.
The 25 yo I was sitting with, wanted 1 million for ST. She wasn't that nice looking, so I tried to see if she'd go down on the price, but no such luck. So, I called it a night, and came back to my luxury, er, 3 star, hotel.
The maids are cute here, I'd really like to fuck a couple of them, but I'd put that on the "probably not possible in the hotel list".
After reading all the "good" reports about "the corner bar" I was really looking forward to some nice action. Unfortunately it did not go like that. Perhaps also because of lack of my own experience. I found a very pretty dream girl, which ended as a horror girl. And I should have seen it comming. Her attitude was wong from the beginning as she looked kind of sad/angry. When we stepped into the shower she pulled the shower curtain with me outside and finally after 10 min, I had to send her away. With her attitude she could have paralyzed a horny bull. So I guess the conclusion is: No bar is better than the girls and you take care to go for attitude more than beauty.
And this was actually just the worst of two bad experiences with Thien loc.So sorry guys - it is not the easy choice to pick the "corner bar"
[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]
I finally went into Li Li's, [/QUOTE]
Which one is Li Li's? If you're eyeing your maids and thinking wishfully, things aren't going too well. Pham Ngu Lao is one of the last places I'd go looking for something to end the night with.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Which one is Li Li's? If you're eyeing your maids and thinking wishfully, things aren't going too well. Pham Ngu Lao is one of the last places I'd go looking for something to end the night with.[/QUOTE]
I had a really hot maid! :)
Li Li's is a way down the road from Go2 Bar. I had checked the area out, and thought I'd at least give it a try. :)
[QUOTE=Viet1]Those of you experienced with HCM girls. How do you find them?
What I mean is do you think they are good as I have found 99% very nice girls but pretty poor in the bedroom. Inexperienced and not willing to do much except the basics or otherwise they overact and make too much noise like a bad porno. I have come across very few really good girls and usually have to try and teach them what to do.
What happened to the sexy tease, foreplay and variety! Some I even told the mamasan that the girl was sweet but really bad when it came to doing the deed. She said only regulars ever complain and people passing through are happy with what they get.
So what have you guys found them like in general?[/QUOTE]
I actually enjoy the inexperienced ones and the need to give them a little on the job training. Agree with you about the excessive noises.
How much do you usually pay in Ho Chi Minh for girls?
I ask to avoid overprived girls and ripping off.
In Cambodia I used to pay 15-35$ however I had a viet girl there for 35$ and she was useless, crap, refused to do a "BJ" and didn't like touching, later I found other viet girls, were ok, cheaper 20-30$ and quality also much better.
I will be in Ho chi Minh soon, so I need to find any good girl, not too greedy, no scam. Can you advise me?
I need a cheap hotel, well, a/c and hot water would be nice, where I can bring a gf. Or any pubs with rooms for ST or LT.
I didn't find any cheap girls in my HCMC trip. I checked out 4 different HBT places, and after buying a LD, and then finding out you didn't click with them, and you want to check out another lady, they then whine about wanting a 50k-100k tip, after just a few minutes. Paying $100 for a couple of hours (including money for the bar), just isn't my idea of a good deal. VN chicas can be very hot, but I didn't find the service level there. It was always a "You have lots of money, give it to me'.
Even when you have a negotiated deal, in my experiences, they will try to change the deal, leave early, get paid up front, and offer mediocre service. And still ask for tips. Thankfully I didn't pay up front, as I learned long ago, that if they have the cash in hand, you probably won't be happy.
I loved the service in the Hot Toc places. Super cute girls who you can feel up a bit while you get a nice massage.
The *5 star Hyatt I stayed in was good. I don't think I would ever pay the over $400 a night rate I would have had to pay for it, if not using some free nights. At best, it was a $200 a night room. The 3 star I stayed in for $32 a night was a bit better. However, some huge gaps in service. No wake up call, when I requested it twice. Luckily I woke myself up, or I would have been screwed. Also, scalding water coming out of the shower (both hot and cold settings!), which left me with a head full of later to figure out how to get clean. At least no problem bringing girls in.
I liked Vietnam quite a bit. The food was great, lots of interesting stuff to buy, etc. I just wouldn't put it on my top 5 mongering destinations in Asia.
Even when you have a negotiated deal, in my experiences, they will try to change the deal, leave early, get paid up front, and offer mediocre service. And still ask for tips.
Totally agree. The girls in VN are a bit too commercial and lack customer service orientation. Actually, I would say that it is the mentality of 'most' Vietnamese service providers, be it sex, food, shopping or even banking. They have this attitude of 'rip' the foreigners off cause they're on holidays, never thinking about return customers or word of mouth recommendations.
[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]
I loved the service in the Hot Toc places. Super cute girls who you can feel up a bit while you get a nice massage. [/QUOTE]
Hey so which places exactly are you referring to here? Which area? Any specific ones?
Sorry things didn't click for you in HCMC -- it takes a bit of luck these days, but when it does click, it really does. And when it doesn't, it really doesn't.
I don't consider Vietnam a bust. I go to many places that I don't even monger in. I consider it a bonus when I can find an enjoyable place, and get a bit of a release.
I stayed about a block away from the New World Hotel. Off the top of my head, the 3 star hotel I stayed at was the Li Anh Hotel. I'll try to find their card, when I get back home. Normal room was $35 a night, $32 if you stay at least a few nights. The Hot Toc I went to is right next door. Across the street, and a couple doors down is the Lion Cafe (A Singaporean place).
I have some pictures of the Hot Toc girls, while they're working. I don't know that anyone would want to see them, but most of them were cute.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Hey so which places exactly are you referring to here? Which area? Any specific ones?
Sorry things didn't click for you in HCMC -- it takes a bit of luck these days, but when it does click, it really does. And when it doesn't, it really doesn't.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]I don't consider Vietnam a bust. I go to many places that I don't even monger in. I consider it a bonus when I can find an enjoyable place, and get a bit of a release.
I stayed about a block away from the New World Hotel. Off the top of my head, the 3 star hotel I stayed at was the Li Anh Hotel. I'll try to find their card, when I get back home. Normal room was $35 a night, $32 if you stay at least a few nights. The Hot Toc I went to is right next door. Across the street, and a couple doors down is the Lion Cafe (A Singaporean place).
I have some pictures of the Hot Toc girls, while they're working. I don't know that anyone would want to see them, but most of them were cute.[/QUOTE]
Post the pictures of the Hot Toc girls Jaimito. I would love to see them as with the rest of the other fellows I am sure. Thanks for your reports very informative.
Thanks guys
Visitng 3rd world coutries each foreing vistor is like a "walking sack of dollars" so ripping off is a normal daily task there...so to minimise a risk of stealing i prefer to know some rules, someone's experience can help me.
what do you reccomend as good/bad, any examples of scam, stealing, con,etc.? i don't want to loose my passport, wallet, etc.
[QUOTE=Algol2000]How much do you usually pay in Ho Chi Minh for girls?
I ask to avoid overprived girls and ripping off.
In Cambodia I used to pay 15-35$ however I had a viet girl there for 35$ and she was useless, crap, refused to do a "BJ" and didn't like touching, later I found other viet girls, were ok, cheaper 20-30$ and quality also much better.
I will be in Ho chi Minh soon, so I need to find any good girl, not too greedy, no scam. Can you advise me?[/QUOTE]On the low end 300-500k for sex. There are many places in this price range but probably the easiest for tourists would be around Pham Ngu Lao.
Here was my favorite Hot Toc girl. She gave me a massage upstairs. As long as no one else was in the room (they seemed to put all foreigners in this room), my hands could roam quite a bit during the massage. I tried to set up a date outside, but no luck. I don't recall seeing any girls here, that I wouldn't fuck. This Hot Toc is right next door to the hotel I stayed at. (Check in HCMC Hotel forum).
80k for the hour long massage, and then a 50% or so tip.
Guys,
We need to stop going to these places unless you want to take a girl to your hotel in 5 minutes or less. The attitude is bad and now the girls are demanding money just to sit with you. Not like before you just buy them a drink then talk about leaving, I did not and pissed off a couple of girls there. Instead I went to Apocalypse and took my time while having a few beers. Music loud but no rush. I liked that. Girls want 1mil to stay with you until 2am. Better to pay extra after the shit I had to go through at the 91, 51 and 49.
I will be there this weekend, so any good and bad info can help me a lot. where can I have a good blow-job, or ST in a pub? I don't want to take a girl to my room
[QUOTE=Algol2000]I will be there this weekend, so any good and bad info can help me a lot. where can I have a good blow-job, or ST in a pub? I don't want to take a girl to my room[/QUOTE]
Try Bar 29 on Dong Khoi or Smiley on Thai Van Lung. In the other bars the gals will take you to ST hotel - but be careful.
Be careful?
What do you mean?
Any robberies, scams?
I'll be in hcmc in early Dec. If anyone wants to get together pm me. I'll have a friend along also , the more the merrier!
Oblivion is closed down (now an ice cream bar), Rivevs is overpriced (a not particularly attractive girl there opened at $100US. No way). There are a couple of bars down do quyen dau (off bui vien/pham) like 33 bar
The pham area generally seems to be being "cleaned up" a bit recently and everything has krept further away from de tham
You can still get girls to go ST for around 4-500kVND, LT for 6-800 (girls seem to really not like going LT unless they know you already, then they start giving you freebies in the hope you'll pick them up as a GF)
From Apocalypse you can usually get a girl to go LT for 5-600
The better advice is to just not go near Dist1, once you get a little further out in Dist 3, 10, 5 you can spot bia om's everywhere (sign says "Nha Hang" or restaurant, but all they have downstair is a pink light and bike parking), or ca phe om's which are usually easier to spot by the gaggle of girls in small clothing hanging around. You won't get the girl to go with you straight away, but you'll get a phone number and arrange a hookup later, sometimes these girls will take as little as 300K and will be quite young (though not too young, sometimes it is best to check ID and remember that the legal age in Nam is 18) and quite malleable if not too experienced, and very good looking
The girls in dist1 have gotten far too jaded and pushy with so many foreigners willing to drop $100+ for a quick punt.
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It has been a year since I was in HCMC and by reading the last several months posts, it seems like the situation in Dist 1 for punters is getting out of control. As I have read the reports I am amazed by the changes that require for pay-o-la at every step. Dist 1 is the most convenient area for me from my hotel. That is why I like it best.
The posts about Dist 3, 5, and 10 are good but being a newbie in HCMC it sure would help having some more details. I prefer the HBT type of bars where I walk in, am greeted by nice hostess', make my choice, and then leave for outside enjoyment, et al.
I return November and would appreciate any additional information about the general scene.
In the past I have always left happy with nothing but great experiences, thanks to all you guys and your expertise. Many thanks to you all. Your words of wisdom are once again appreciated.
Where is this Lili Bar? And Go2?
I am now on Pham Nao Street, and need to find something soon, however my hotel is girls unfriendly.
Latest (last night) info
AlleBooz is open but it looks like a standard restaurant
Smiley. I was told something bad about iot, thet girls ripp off only, no sex
Bar29. Some girls but not speaking english, 50$ for ST ot 80$ for one night in many palces I was offered a massage girl for 40$ per hour
Finally I experienced some scam I guess, a pimp + motorbike+ girl offered me ". Everything, bum-bum, BJ. Everything. " for 60$, one night, pretty chic 18 years old, speaking very poor english, few words only. This price should cover everything, including hotel 10$, and it means nothing was offer, we went there about midnight, in the room someone knocked the door, talked to the girl in vietnamese, she couldn't epxplain me what is going on, so took her mobile ophone and typed " police check room one oclock big problems". I don't want to have any problems with police in this country, so we finished one BJ only, very poor quality, girl din't want to do it better, also refused me sex from behind what I like very much, she became angry. So this was the most expensive and poor BJ in my life so far. Later when we left the hotel at 1. 05 am, I didn't see any police. So I guess that was a scam to leave me earlier and quickly earn 60$ for almost nothing within one hour. I wish I earned so well. 60$/h for doing practically nothing.
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Its been about year since I've been back in HCMC. Going to be there on Nov 22. What are the new clubs to catch out and places to go to chill out?
Been reading a lot of reports at how bad Dist. 1 has got but I am here now at to me anyway it is still OK. My work last trip payed off big time, I just went to bars picked nice lady and got her number and now deal direct with her and 2 others. Much better as they get to keep more of the money and I get it cheaper and get great company to boot!
Too many guys here I see are trapped into some sort of relationship with Viet girls and they are bleeding them dry and being a pain in the neck to them. Poor guys! Will have some great stories to tell on my return as I have given myself some challenges to make things more fun. I also have a mamasan friend here and she always fills me in on what has been happening between my trips so a warning is a scam where you go with girl from a moto driver and then he arranges the supposed angry and upset girl to bash on your door as you are about to do the deed and try to get the girl out and you lose the money. Anyway better go as I am keeping a lady waiting.
I was yesterday in this club and had a very nice brunette, well built, to drink with. Name was Linh. But she doesn't like FrenchKiss, and I had the feeling she would not do. I wanted however to try her skills before taking her for a night (80 do). Price of BJ upstairs was unrealistic : 500 000 dongs; impossible to get it lowered, or simply to get a quick blowjob at the bar (few people). When I decided to leave, she wanted a tip! And got angry because she had none.
I hope it can help.
Dirty Old Man
Moonk,
You got your shit down. We want to keep most of the guys in D1. Don't Eff it up for yourself and me.
Gotta say that I think the reports about the bar action in D1 are a bit sad but they don't align with my experiences. I don't hit these bars very often but I remain pretty well known.
The mama at NY Saigon on Dong Du always waves and says hello and I occasionally go in and buy her a drink. She tells me that the price for me is still VND1.2 mil even though I have not taken a girl from her in 6 months. I stay friendly with her so that I can easily take visitors there. I often drink across the road at the Chili bar where there is supposedly no action but don't believe that. Run by mama and daughter and I would love to do the daughter.
A couple of weeks ago I had overdone the scotch and headed into Bar 29 for a little touchie-feelie. Came across a gal by the name of Maie who had started the day before and was very playful. The mama only wanted VND1 mil for all night so I went for it. The scotch wore off by the morning and she was excellent. Now she is in my phone for direct access.
I hate to say this but I think that some of these bars (especially the ones on HBT) are taking advantage of guys that are too lazy or otherwise unwilling to negotiate. And it would appear that they are finding enough suckers to think that they can do it all the time.
The key to negotiation with these people to make it quite clear that you don't care and will walk away if the price is not right. You walk towards the door and they will run after you with an offer. Its all part of the game!
Bros, I had my trip wasted last time, . Don't want to do that again next week. Can any of you guys tell me the best place to, .
1. Go. Choose. Fuck.come back. (all in one place. Since good hotels, most likely donot allow guests)
2. Pickup quality girls to hotel (in case if the hotel allows)
Help!
[QUOTE=Iamnaughty]Bros, I had my trip wasted last time, . Don't want to do that again next week. Can any of you guys tell me the best place to, .
1. Go. Choose. Fuck.come back. (all in one place. Since good hotels, most likely donot allow guests)
2. Pickup quality girls to hotel (in case if the hotel allows)
Help![/QUOTE]
RTFF - all the information that you seek is there.
This is my last stop in Vietnam. I arrived this morning, on the train from Da Nang, and staying at a small hotel on Mac Thi Buoi. I'll be around for at least 4 days.
Yes I RTFF and have my notes so I'll go exploring and see what I can come up with.
If anyone else is in the area and want to meet for a drink just PM me.
Thanks for all the info you guys post here.
Mike
PS: I'm a few day behind in posting about my adventures in Hue and Da Nang. Nothing great to report but I'l do it as soon as I have time.
My first night was fun and fruitful and I learned some things.
As I was headed out that evening it started raining hard and after 3 day of rain in Hue and Da Nang I was very disappointed. After about an hour it stopped raining, and not knowing how long it would last and really wanting to get something, I decided to take an easy route and walked over to a bar on Dong Khoi Street for one of their BJ’s for 300,000.
The place had about 15 ladies working and as soon as I sat down one had sat down next to me. I’ll admit that she wasn’t a young beauty but she was very nice and feeling a little desperate I bought her a drink. We talked about the options and we agreed to 4 hours at my hotel for $50.00. We walked the couple of blocks hand in hand back to my hotel, we went in, she gave her ID to the front desk, no problem, and up to my room.
Once inside she was ready, hugging, kissing and feeling each other up. She danced around as she undressed, then to the shower, she called me in for a clean up, we dried off and got on the bed. She was a true pro and really knew her stiff. Round 1, rest, round 2, rest then went outside for a bite to eat at a street place, round 3, and 4 and half hours later we said good night. At the bar she said she’d do everything and she did, although I didn’t try anal. Her name was Suony, 35 years old, short with a little flab but a dynamo in bed.
So what I learned:
Number one, before she left she said she wanted to see me the next day and explained that when she saw me outside like that she would not have to split the money with the club. I kept telling her I couldn’t because I had plans but somewhere in the back of my mind I felt she would show up. I should have been firmer with her from the start. She gave me her number and told me call her. In the morning I went down to the front desk and told them that if she shows up just tell her I’ve already left.
Number two, after Suony left it was still kind of early, around 11:30 PM, and it wasn’t raining so I thought I’d check out the places along Hai Be Trung. I stopped at 3 places and found out getting a cute young girl was easier than I thought. What I did wrong was kind of set up a meeting the next day with the girl at the first place telling her I’d be back to the bar tomorrow to take her out, more to get her to go away but it didn’t work. Now I wonder if I can go back there again without trouble. Not a big deal because there are plenty of other places.
Walking back to my hotel I heard some loud music and went to check it out, it was Apocalypse Now. At my age I don’t like loud music so I didn’t go in but there were a lot of young, I guess18-25, girls outside on both sides of the street. I didn’t talk to any of them, no body offered me a girl and none of them asked if I wanted to take them to my hotel but it was fun looking at these beauties. I just might go in next time just to look around.
Mike
I stopped at another place last night but this time I told the first girl that I was just looking around and if I liked someone I would choose her. She understood and left me alone, I think she told the other girls too because they did leave me alone.
As I sat at the bar drinking my Coke I watched the girls laughing and kidding around with each other and one girl caught my eye. There was just something about her personality, from across the room, that struck me, I invited her to sit with me and I bought her a drink. We got along great and she was funny too. I told her I’d been traveled all night on the train and was too tired to take her then. She said she could come to my room the next morning at 10 AM and she could stay for a few hours before she starts work at 1:30 PM. She gave me her number and I told her I would call her at 9:30 so she would know that I did indeed wanted to see her.
I did call her and she did make it to my room by 10. She wanted to shower first because she said she was still asleep when I called so she didn’t have time.
The sex was great, lots of foreplay, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, she came 3 times, 69 and several positions finishing doggie. When we were done we laid together for a while. Then she got up, removed the condom, cleaned me up with a wet towel and started getting dressed. I asked where she was going and she said she had to go. WTF!
Now I’m not going to fight with her about it so I let her get dressed. But what pissed me off even more was she claimed that she told me $70.00 and I remember it being $50.00. There was no negotiating at the bar or anything, I know she said $50 and I was OK with that so I agreed.
I gave her the last $65.00 I had and asked her to leave. So you think you know how to pick em, well I messed up on this one big time. Oh well at least the one shot was very nice.
Her name is Ly and she works at the Cali Bar on Mac Tai Buoi.
Mike
Hi everyone and hey Realniceguy,
You did well I wouldn't beat myself up!
It can be hit and miss and rules change in a heartbeat and they all develop bad memories from time to time but you got the right angle for HCM.
I been going there for some time now and have guys I know that now live and work there and have married some Viet girls. I also know a mamasan very well and she is a friend and we often go to dinner etc and she will always fix me up with any thing I want, it's just like placing an order I keep her secret and she looks after me. I also have seen the same girl from one of those bars off and on for the past couple of years and we are so comfortable together. I usually pay between $50 and $70 USD for a girl. But getting a hot girl that knows what she is doing is really tough in Vietnam and when I say knows what they are doing I mean creating the mood, being sexy, foreplay, teasing, sexy underwear. The whole bit. They just have no idea, not really their fault it's just the way it is. For every awesome lover you will come across a hundred duds. They all look super hot and they all flirt and wear tight and sexy clothes but when it come to the bedroom that's where it usually stops. So Realniceguy you did well!
Cheers
As mentioned before I have a mamasan as a friend and always joked about doing her but actually had set myself a target this time to try and get her into bed. Now she is not youg and cute but great english, funny and she claims to be 30 but I would say she is about 38 and lying. So finally got her to say yes and no hotel to pay as she is some how hooked up with the owner and she only hit me up for a low price but that was because we know each other and often catch up for lunch etc. She was awesome, she actually knew how to build the moment and make it hot and sexy.
She showers and gets dressed in a sexy set of underwear in a closed bathroom. Then comes out and struts in front of me always teasing, beds over and asks me if I want it. She french kisses does everything and gets me so damn hot that I was about to go crazy and then she just got better and we tried any position I could think of till I could hold out no longer!
She then lies with me and we cuddle and then she gives me massage, orders a drink to the room and we lie in the semi dark room and chat and laugh and finally head off for dinner. Loved every sexy moment and gave her a tip, bought dinner and told her she was very good.
So although a friend she is also a hot lover, slow, sexy and awesome and we are even closer than before but not interested in a relationship just good SEX!
Thought I would just share that with you guys.
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Had a great session yesterday with a 30 something honey, not the best in the looks department but excellent service. Great huge rack also, and knows how to use her mouth. near 49 HBT but will stop again today and get correct address. BBBJCIM 5oo,000VND and 2 lady drinks at 50,000vnd. Not rushed and there was no one in the place but me and a friend and he had a fiery lil thing that provided the same. All in all I give it a solid 8.
What RNG and Viet ! have struck on is that even the girls in the bars are individuals and they are not tied to the bar for now or certainly in the future.
Many gals come to SGN to the bars and don't last long and move onto other jobs. But if you have met them and treated them nice a pleasant relationship can be had.
Returned again yesterdat for a repeat performance and was not dissappointed. Only the lil fierey one was there. Great personality and very straight forward. give her a 9 in service performance. 500,000 vnd for the cimbbbj she explained the afternoon service is better because no one is usually there and lots of time on their hands to play. Workes for me. Bangin' lil body on this spinner too, wouldn't mind trying full service there on my return. Happy hunting.
Thanks Sudsoz you hit the nail on the head with this comment!
[quote]What RNG and Viet 1 have struck on is that even the girls in the bars are individuals and they are not tied to the bar for now or certainly in the future.
Many gals come to SGN to the bars and don't last long and move onto other jobs. But if you have met them and treated them nice a pleasant relationship can be had.[/quote]Yes I guess that is my point, these girls are not locked in and they usually end up in HBT when they arrive from some of the outer provinces because its easy and these places always take new girls.
They usually love the idea of hooking up witha regular guy and not having to split their money with the bar. I sort of dig around and come up with one of these type of girls and get her number and then on every trip I give them a call and hook up with them. Buy them a few meals etc, treat them well and they will do anything for you. So now I have my regulars and then I keep my eye out for a piece of new talent on each trip.
I still love this place because I guess its not easy and its sort of fun to work on it and pull a good girl. I even send them short text messages between trips to keep them hooked for when I get back!
Repeat of my earlier post with same spinner. You just can't beat a pro. Had been off my game with the hot weather and lots of travel. Lil girl took away all the pain, abit worn but knows her business. Was there again early, must prefer the afternoon trade and that's the way I like it too. She warned me about some of the bar girls and some of the scams they're running. Happy hunting!
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]RTFF - all the information that you seek is there.[/QUOTE]Eh. What is RTFF? Is it "Read The F'ing Forum"?
And what exactly is DATY short for. Sorry. I am new.
Thanks for the help.
[QUOTE=Mr Paranoid]Eh. What is RTFF? Is it "Read The F'ing Forum"?
And what exactly is DATY short for. Sorry. I am new.
Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]
If you look at the top of your screen there is a blue bar and smack in the middle is 'abbreviations'. Click there and all is revealed.
After reading the forum and understanding that HBT 51 means what is described in length in the title above, I went to see that bar.
10 girls rushed out when the door opened and said Hello to me. Their looks range from o.k. to excellent.
Very soon a girl named Keeh from Hanoi joined me. She looked great and soon after heavy DFK and more stuff going on. So I obviously wanted to fuck her.
Initial offer 75 dollars for one hour shorttime. I refused by saying that this is too much. Second offer: one million dong and paying in advance. I agreed to the price but not to the conditions. So finally we were at one million and payment in the hotel to the girl. That was fine for me and ripoff-safe.
In the hotel this girl went off like a rocket, unbelievable! She had a funny attitude and provided excellent service.
First she covered herself in bed and pretended to be shy and smiled at me. Then I ripped the cover off and we went to DFK and touching, hugging, etc.
The BBBJ was great: She always moved her hand halfway round the cock and sucked it simultaneously which resulted in a really good feeling. Then sex in different positions and came on the body and tits.
Then I paid her and happily fell asleep.
In her case the money was really worth it!
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Out of the four bars of HBT, I found Thien Loc to have the best ambiance. Blonde Thuyit was playing pool and had just arrived from the province (no mobile phone!) and I was her second customer. Off to mini-hotel of my choosing (opposist Ho Sen hotel). Good body, nice performance. USD 65
[QUOTE=Frimu]Initial offer 75 dollars for one hour shorttime. I refused by saying that this is too much. Second offer: one million dong and paying in advance.[/QUOTE]Wow, more expensive than Hong Kong in places.
Thanks for the reference point.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]Repeat of my earlier post with same spinner. You just can't beat a pro. Had been off my game with the hot weather and lots of travel. Lil girl took away all the pain, abit worn but knows her business. Was there again early, must prefer the afternoon trade and that's the way I like it too. She warned me about some of the bar girls and some of the scams they're running. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Yes I know the woman very well. She there with mature woman with big tits and does the buy me soda and starts the feel up thing and talks nasty. I ran into her in late morning and about 2pm and had different experiences with her upstairs by the pool table, with a nice fan blowing on you while he is ummmm, well you know. Yeah nice nice bod and always go there when I first get to HCMC She always happy to see me again and says the same thing about being careful. She wants the guys for herself of course. Maybe I go back in Feburary or March and say Hello, again But in the evening OMG. I prefer 91, younger and prettier chicks there. 51 and 49 too close together with the same attitudes. But always like better going to Apocalyspe Now better because I don't like to be rushed about going to hotel and getting in on. Music loud there but fun.
walked into thein loc, hai ba trung at 2. 30 pm during a break between morning and late afternoon meetings. decently populated place. 50, 000 dong or 3 usd lady drink for cuddles and kisses to get you in the mood. small fong with long curly hair accepted (barfine d 300, 000) to join me for some fun at my hotel, the nearby riverside renaissance. (visitors allowed before 9 pm with registration at reception) shower together, then she asked: would you like me to shave? small breasts with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] figure but very talented and reactive girl. a tad more classy than the avaerage. recommended. she told me she often works at the brix. grand hyatt singapore. damage 80 usd. afternoon or dinner-time fun in decent surroundings beats gloomy mini-hotels.
I've been living in HCM for the past 4 months and it is a very interesting place. I like the food and the girls. It's nice to be in a place where the weather is good and many of the girls are nice. I have yet to hook up with someone that really knows this town so I've read the forums and tried to make some good connections.
Bar 29 on DK is nice and relaxing and I met a girl who claims to be a newbie and will work for a short while. Something about this girl drew me to her and some other girl, not so good looking, tried to massage me and have me buy her a drink also, but not interested so just stayed with the one girl. The bar maids and boss were very nice. I was never asked to go to the "back room" everyone talks about here, but maybe because the girl was new. I actually had to ask the girl if she wanted to go ST. There was no pressure here, which was nice.
Bar 35 HBT is a small little joint. I had a girl their that really liked to be with me. I took her to a ST and it was fine, but a little bit too skinny for me, but the service was great because I couldn't finish FS style and had to finish with a BJCIM. I guess her body really didn't do it for me. They sure seem to have some other nice talent there which I'd like to try someday.
Bar 51 had some nice looking chicks, better than Bar 35, but I hooked up with a chick that was nice to begin with, went for a ST and felt a bit rushed and business like. Body was nice and taught but the attitude was not so good. I'd go back just to try other girls.
Thien Loc - I went here just for drinks and had a couple of girls try to rush me out of there after 30 minutes. I like this place because it is a feel good place to drink and grope which is always fun. I didn't take the bait as I felt it a bit too expensive for ST. 1.2Mil w/o bar fee. I know it's been slow because of the new year but even when I told them it was too much and started to walk out, there was no negotiating, so I just left. Maybe I will try again as the forums have talked good things about this place.
Bin Bin on Le Thanh ton was a decent place but many of the girls hang upstairs. I guess it depends on the time. So I saw a cute young thing and had a drink and nice groping. Had to head out for dinner and decided to come back another day to try. When I did, took her to ST and it was pretty good, except sometimes with youth comes inexperiences. I had to guide her to get what I want. I know sometimes it's hard to have chemistry right away, but at least some good acting would be nice. Maybe I've been watching too much porn and set different expectations for myself.
Smiley's - Headed to Smiley's one night and I love the way the girls wear no bras. Nice to see and there was this one really tall girl i totally wanted to try but ended up with a shorter chick that sort of worked for me cause I was looking for something meaty. Offered 1mil ST before barfine, said it was too much and she let me walk.
Overall I've obviously been going to the D1 places which are all more expensive than other places outside D1 and I will need to hook up with someone to explore. Some days, I just want a hit and run and somewhere close to D1. I found a Blow and Go place but it is a bit of ways. I'd really like to find more places like this closer to my home in D3.
I have read of places that seem to be accessible to me for a hit and run so I'll try it out. I was able to find a rub and tug place near my home so that gets me buy some days.
Anyone ever feel bad about going back to a bar and seeing a girls you spent time with and telling them not this time and pick someone else. I try not to feel bad but it is quite sad to see that you are moving on to the next notch and they have expired. For me, i just feel life is too short and there is no used into getting attached unless the experience is something that is hard to find or just works for you, so you go back again and again.
If anyone here is living in HCM like me and would like to explore. Let me know. I'm always looking for new talent and experiences.
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If any of you adventurous types want to try something a little different away from your super expensive D1 HBT haunts, try this. It's not thrilling, it's not the greatest, but it's an ok way to spend a little time, a little money and see the real VN (and cum too)! The place (and there are many many more like it but I will describe 1 place and 1 girl and 1 experience. Go to Lam Van Ben St. in District 7. It's very close to D1 and D4 for those of you with a great fear of leaving the city center. Lam Van Ben runs north-south between Tran Xuan Soan and Nguyen Thi Thap which are parallel East-west roads. Go to a little cafe, number 178a closer to Ng Thi Thap, on the right side heading south. Park your bike and order a coffee. Observe the dogs and the chickens. Go to a little curtained off are in the back where there are just little beach type chairs to sit on. Open your pants and the girl will blow you. Open her shirt, play with her tits, open her pants, play with her ass and pussy. Give them 20,000 for the inside coffee and 100k to the girl who blows you, that's all, no more please! If seated in the outside looking area, you can watch the rooster tied to the try running in circles. Privacy is minimal but nobody wants to look at you. Important point: Look for Lieu, a 24 yo girl from Ben Tre. I saw three girls/women there. Two were absolutely frightening! Lieu is ok, but her facial skin is not great. But she's friendly and has a nice smile and good BJ lips. What's especially interesting though, and the reason I mention all this here, are her Tits and her pussy (hair). Her breasts are near perfect, not too big or small, whit with really big nobby firm protruding nipples. And her pussy hair? In all my years and all the hundreds of Asians I have seen I have never ever seen longer straighter pussy hair. I had her stand up and it must have protruded 5 inches out. So much hair in a small place, not spread out all over the place. But you can still see her small pussy below as the hair is not dense lower. So, the combination of her wonderful tits and nips, the great hair down below, her good attitude and her hard work on BJ make it a worthwhile effort. Oh, I forgot to say, she does not appreciate cum in her mouth and my cock is thick and I pushed her down deeper which made her gaga repeatedly. Hard for her to make me cum. But she uses a side technique which allows a full view of mouth and lips with cock in them. Again, for $7 all told, a fun experience if just to see that hair! One last note, she gave me her number and is happy to go to a hotel next time.
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I am not that adventurous, but was very curious about this place and so one hot afternoon I got down there on my Yamaha.
I got there about 1.30pm. Nobody was in café except this woman (a tall 30yo) and a man fiddling with a TV remote. She pointed a chair facing the street to sit. I sat there and looked around the place. I noticed some tables and chairs at the back as Johndao mentioned. I said I wanted to sit in there (My Vietnamese is not brilliant but I seem to be able to communicate with gals for the "certain subject" quite well). She clicked then, and took me to the far end of the café.
It wasn’t a long way to the back, but It was a bit surreal. I felt like I was walking in the clouds. There were some roosters cock-a-doodle-dooing loudly, a woman hand-washing clothes, some vegetation everywhere, and scorching midday sun. And here I was to experience some sleazy actions by a unknown woman. But all these add to the atmosphere. Very exciting.
I sat in a chair and she drew the curtains around the place. She came in with a café sữa đá and 3, 4 sets of wet tissues. She sits next to me, puts hand on my lap, and prepares for the drink for me. I sip. She unzips my trousers and coaxes out my half errect dick. She wipes my dick admiringly :) , and my right nipple with the wet tissues. She starts BJ and HJ, and suck my nipple. She places my hand to her tits to fondle. I didn’t fancy to do anything other than this. She is quite good at all these departments. I was there probably only 30 minutes max. I paid 150K VN. She wanted more, but I said next time. And next time I hope I get a younger and prettier one.
I noticed there are a few cafes nearer to the river on that road. I saw a good looking girl in one of these cafes. I wonder if they provide “COE” (Cafe Om Experience). I shall try.
Hi,
Guess I been going to HCMC for a few years and in the beginning I was more adventurous and now I have slipped into an easier way of doing things and rarely go outside D1. I am only in HCMC for 2 weeks and work all during the day. I have no transport except for taxis.
Any of this info on here all looks good but tell me if this can be done by a taxi dropping me off in some district which I can then get around, have some fun and then get a cab back to my girl unfriendly hotel in D1.
I guess many guys here hit HCMC only for short periods and don’t have any transport and don’t really want to try and use the public bus system late at night and I really only know real basic Vietnamese.
So what would be the best thing for people like us?
I have easily walked from D1 (near Saigon River) all the way down past New World Hotel and back packer area…an easy walk. Can I walk to one of these areas or not?
As I have said I have picked up a few girls of the street in the early days in D1 and they took me on their bike to a st hotel and it was fun and very cheap but I would like to try a little further out if possible…any suggestions?
Cheers,
Viet1
[QUOTE=Viet1]Hi,
Guess I been going to HCMC for a few years and in the beginning I was more adventurous and now I have slipped into an easier way of doing things and rarely go outside D1. I am only in HCMC for 2 weeks and work all during the day. I have no transport except for taxis.
Any of this info on here all looks good but tell me if this can be done by a taxi dropping me off in some district which I can then get around, have some fun and then get a cab back to my girl unfriendly hotel in D1.
I guess many guys here hit HCMC only for short periods and don’t have any transport and don’t really want to try and use the public bus system late at night and I really only know real basic Vietnamese.
So what would be the best thing for people like us?
I have easily walked from D1 (near Saigon River) all the way down past New World Hotel and back packer area…an easy walk. Can I walk to one of these areas or not?
As I have said I have picked up a few girls of the street in the early days in D1 and they took me on their bike to a st hotel and it was fun and very cheap but I would like to try a little further out if possible…any suggestions?
Cheers,
Viet1[/QUOTE]
I do much the same as Viet 1 except that I stay in a small GF hotel with only 12 rooms.
I am also a little older but I find that I have little motivation to go to some quickie BJ place when a little bit of work will yield me an all-nighter and the only problem that I have is managing them.
And if I luck out I can always go to one of the bars and pay VND1.2 mil - and some of those gals have been worthwhile keeping in touch with as well.
Viet - if you are staying in the big hotels there are many small places nearby where US$25 will get you a windowless small room where at least you are in control.
Cali Bar on Mac Thi Boui has shut its doors and I believe it will reincarnate as Trai Ta at 13 Dong Du.
Official Opening is next Sunday 15th March. Unfortunately I will be in Vung Tau.
[QUOTE=Viet1]Hi,
...
I guess many guys here hit HCMC only for short periods and don’t have any transport and don’t really want to try and use the public bus system late at night and I really only know real basic Vietnamese.
So what would be the best thing for people like us?
...
...but I would like to try a little further out if possible…any suggestions?
[/QUOTE]
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Ok you dont have your own trasnport. I would say taxis are a bit OTT for these places. Bus's no no. Have you tried xe oms which are abundant in HCMC, virtually every street corners you will find them.
For example a taxi ride to TSN airport from D1 is about 60, 70K on meter? Use this as the indicator to determine xe om prices. to TSN by xe om, it should be much less for that distance. Another option, befriend with a xe om driver near your hotel. They know many "places".
When I have to use xe oms (e.g to/from airport), I usually ask the xe om guy, if he knows any con gái (girl) who may provide the service. The other day I was looking for some actions on my moto, but because I am not familier with that area, I asked a xe om guy in that locality. With a little tip, he showed me the way to one place. I think he tried to explain many things but his Vietnamese was too difficult for me. What a shame!
One day, I even stopped by a shoe repair man on a street (I needed my sandals repaired). While he was repairing it, I asked if he knew any cafe oms nearby. He grined at me but could't tell me.
Well you need to make some effort to get what you want.
"The world is your oyster" as they say. Con gái việtnam rất sexy.
I'm going to HCM May 8-10, mainly for mongering and fun.
I'd like to ask if anyone can recommend the Hotel and place to spend great time there.
Hotel / Club (to take girls) or Massage place.
Thanks
Hey guys just to let you know of a new place open, it is a bar/nightclub not a disco, it is the typical asian style nightclub where you can go in for a coffee or a beer, has live music and if you want to you can go up to sing too, there are girls in there that will sit with you if you want some company, can't get up to anything naughty in the place but the girls will let you cuddle them etc.
Well if anyone is interested then it is on a side street just off Nguyen Van Troi, you will see the main Yamaha dealer on Ng Van Troi and it is right next to there, it is called the SIEU CUP (super cup) and has live football broadcasting aswell, all the staff are dressed up in Man UTD strips too, the girls are quite cute ;-)
Some updates on the bar scene in HCMC.
1. Cali bar has moved around to Dong Du - next to Hot Chili bar. Appears to be same personnel.
2. Smiley's has opened new bar called King Coconut at 15B Thi Sach. Gals seem to be moving from one to the other.
3. A pimp in Dong Du was filling my ear with talk about a hotel in District 1 with wall to wall girls. I took a card but did not check it out. Hoang Anh Hotel at 33 Co Giang St in D1
Hi,
I'm coming to Vietnam for the first time soon and am interested in trying one of these "Blow and Go" places that Dawg 415 mentions -- I assume from the name it's a place that specializes in quick blow jobs? I probably won't have time to venture too far afield in HCMC but if someone can recommend such a place in an area that a tourist is likely to frequent it would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
WJ
[QUOTE=Dawg415]I've been living in HCM for the past 4 months and it is a very interesting place. I like the food and the girls. It's nice to be in a place where the weather is good and many of the girls are nice. I have yet to hook up with someone that really knows this town so I've read the forums and tried to make some good connections.
Bar 29 on DK is nice and relaxing and I met a girl who claims to be a newbie and will work for a short while. Something about this girl drew me to her and some other girl, not so good looking, tried to massage me and have me buy her a drink also, but not interested so just stayed with the one girl. The bar maids and boss were very nice. I was never asked to go to the "back room" everyone talks about here, but maybe because the girl was new. I actually had to ask the girl if she wanted to go ST. There was no pressure here, which was nice.
Bar 35 HBT is a small little joint. I had a girl their that really liked to be with me. I took her to a ST and it was fine, but a little bit too skinny for me, but the service was great because I couldn't finish FS style and had to finish with a BJCIM. I guess her body really didn't do it for me. They sure seem to have some other nice talent there which I'd like to try someday.
Bar 51 had some nice looking chicks, better than Bar 35, but I hooked up with a chick that was nice to begin with, went for a ST and felt a bit rushed and business like. Body was nice and taught but the attitude was not so good. I'd go back just to try other girls.
Thien Loc - I went here just for drinks and had a couple of girls try to rush me out of there after 30 minutes. I like this place because it is a feel good place to drink and grope which is always fun. I didn't take the bait as I felt it a bit too expensive for ST. 1.2Mil w/o bar fee. I know it's been slow because of the new year but even when I told them it was too much and started to walk out, there was no negotiating, so I just left. Maybe I will try again as the forums have talked good things about this place.
Bin Bin on Le Thanh ton was a decent place but many of the girls hang upstairs. I guess it depends on the time. So I saw a cute young thing and had a drink and nice groping. Had to head out for dinner and decided to come back another day to try. When I did, took her to ST and it was pretty good, except sometimes with youth comes inexperiences. I had to guide her to get what I want. I know sometimes it's hard to have chemistry right away, but at least some good acting would be nice. Maybe I've been watching too much porn and set different expectations for myself.
Smiley's - Headed to Smiley's one night and I love the way the girls wear no bras. Nice to see and there was this one really tall girl i totally wanted to try but ended up with a shorter chick that sort of worked for me cause I was looking for something meaty. Offered 1mil ST before barfine, said it was too much and she let me walk.
Overall I've obviously been going to the D1 places which are all more expensive than other places outside D1 and I will need to hook up with someone to explore. Some days, I just want a hit and run and somewhere close to D1. I found a Blow and Go place but it is a bit of ways. I'd really like to find more places like this closer to my home in D3.
I have read of places that seem to be accessible to me for a hit and run so I'll try it out. I was able to find a rub and tug place near my home so that gets me buy some days.
Anyone ever feel bad about going back to a bar and seeing a girls you spent time with and telling them not this time and pick someone else. I try not to feel bad but it is quite sad to see that you are moving on to the next notch and they have expired. For me, i just feel life is too short and there is no used into getting attached unless the experience is something that is hard to find or just works for you, so you go back again and again.
If anyone here is living in HCM like me and would like to explore. Let me know. I'm always looking for new talent and experiences.
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[QUOTE=Warmjan]I'm coming to Vietnam for the first time soon and am interested in trying one of these "Blow and Go" places that Dawg 415 mentions -- I assume from the name it's a place that specializes in quick blow jobs? I probably won't have time to venture too far afield in HCMC but if someone can recommend such a place in an area that a tourist is likely to frequent it would be much appreciated.
WJ[/QUOTE]Try Be Ny (or Ben Ny) at 90 Dien Bien Phu St. in Binh Thanh District, just meters from the District 1 border. Don't pay more than 200k all finished with CIM. Sometimes this place is weird and asks you to buy a ticket for 200k beforehand. At other similar places you give the girl a 100k tip after and pay the manager 70 or 80k after. But at Be Ny I think they will ask you 200k in advance. That's all though, it includes tip. If they push one of the girls on you and you want another you see, DON'T BE SHY. Just point to the one you want, it's your choice. Should be 6 to 8 girls to choose from. Pull her shirt up and feel and lick her tits, pull her panties down and squeeze her ass, finger her pussy and asshole. Make sure she gets your cum in her mouth.
The attached map shows the approximate location as I remember it.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Some updates on the bar scene in HCMC.
3. A pimp in Dong Du was filling my ear with talk about a hotel in District 1 with wall to wall girls. I took a card but did not check it out. Hoang Anh Hotel at 33 Co Giang St in D1[/QUOTE]No such thing. They (a pimp) will just call girls one by one to the hotel by motorbike.
[QUOTE=Saigon Ican]No such thing. They (a pimp) will just call girls one by one to the hotel by motorbike.[/QUOTE]
One by One on bikes is normal. That's why I thought this was interesting.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]3. A pimp in Dong Du was filling my ear with talk about a hotel in District 1 with wall to wall girls. I took a card but did not check it out. Hoang Anh Hotel at 33 Co Giang St in D1[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of the 42 virgins one can obtain by going thru with a suicide bombing. Wall to wall indeed. How many hours would you need to wait there looking at one after another before you'd seen enough to stretch from one wall to the other. And how many of those girls would be the same one you saw earlier wearing a different shirt.
Excuse the thickness of the sarcasm, no offense meant, just that, not once in about 9 yrs of listening to motorbike drivers tell me they had lots of girls, have I ever seen more than one at a time, with a good 10 minute wait between that one and the next one. How often is the one who pulls up satisfying? Rare. Rare enough that it's certainly not worth waiting for a single one. Your odds are better pretty much anywhere else you can go.
And yes I know it's a hotel. So you get there, and the place is empty. And then.... yes... you wait... while they get on the cell phone. And then... after about 10 minutes... up pulls a motorbike with one very mediocre girl on the back. So essentially, the hotel is just a trick to get you to sit around waiting for motorbike girls to pull up one at a time, since they sized you up and figured you were too smart to do something as stupid as that back out on the street.
OK I'm skeptical, but with good reason. What you're relaying is essentially the sales pitch of a motorbike driver. These guys just never deliver, in my experience. If you'd gone and seen it, confirmed it was real, different story.
I know you're really experienced. Just, this one is dubious.
Gotta go... interruption... later.
Wendella - I was reporting what I was told and not endorsing it because I never went there. For me Saigon has so many other opportunities for me going there would be a waste of my time.
The new bar on Thi Sach (Coconuts) has a different slant on business - they simply do not want to talk about LT engagements. Now when you have an old fella as old as mine (and affected by too much whisky) that is not an effective arrangement.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Wendella - I was reporting what I was told and not endorsing it because I never went there. For me Saigon has so many other opportunities for me going there would be a waste of my time.
The new bar on Thi Sach (Coconuts) has a different slant on business - they simply do not want to talk about LT engagements. Now when you have an old fella as old as mine (and affected by too much whisky) that is not an effective arrangement.[/QUOTE]
Yes I realize -- sorry, I needed to post that one before quickly because prying eyes came up behind me - -had to rush it, didnt' have a chance to tone it down.
It's possible it's true. Only one way to find out. Just, I'm very skeptical given the source of the info.
I find that other bars display more talent these days, and more flexible in such areas as you're interesetd in. Bin Bin has tons of girls lately. 91 always very good. I've always found Cali to be one of the poorer cousins of the rest.
Oops, gotta go again.
Later
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]A pimp in Dong Du was filling my ear with talk about a hotel in District 1 with wall to wall girls. I took a card but did not check it out. Hoang Anh Hotel at 33 Co Giang St in D1[/QUOTE]I went for a little ride this morning, Around 1040am I went past the hotel, Grey/black Granite looking exterior, nestled in amongst the shop houses and market. Looks very new compared to other shops/houses next to it.
Had a sign outside with prices for days, weeks, month in USD and also short times (1hr, 2hr) in VND.
There was no wall to wall girls from what I could see (riding past on the street several times) just the reception/front desk. Hotel is just like a local hotel.
Has anyone been there during more appropriate hrs?
It's a strange thing, and I haven't been able to figure it out, but there appear to be no regularly operating FS brothels in HCMC as there are in Hanoi. At least in 5 years here, I have never been to one although I am sure there must be some some out of the city center. Of course there are loads and loads of places to get blowjobs and feels onsite. And just as many places where takeaway is on the menu. But a place, a hotel where you walk in and are shown a bunch of girls, choose one and go to a room right there for a one stop price? Never seen it in HCMC. They have been operating in the West Lake area of Hanoi for years.
However, I have heard about 'mobile' brothels operating this way and have read about them being busted as well. By mobile, I mean a pimp or pimps brings a bunch of girls to a hotel and informs a limited number of clients of where and when. But the time is limited and then they move on. This can be very profitable, as they are eluding payments by staying on the move, unlike fixed venues that have to pay.
Even at the standard Hot Toc, massage/BJ places I frequent, the girls cannot go out with you from the place, although it is possible to make an early morning or late night date with them. They have to work all day, every day to maintain their positions. Only once in all the many girls I have seen in BBS/BJ shops here has a girl laid down on the table and asked me to fuck her. And she was gone the next week.
EXCEPTION: There is one dirty, small, very friendly Hot Toc I sometimes frequent on DBP where the girls will go out right then and there. Choose your girl, go the curtained area in the back and decide. Out to the short time hotel 50 meters down the road for less than 1 hr, one shot and 500k, or BJ right there. BJ is 70k for the house and 100k for her. I think if you go to the hotel you pay 70k to the house also and 50k for the hotel. I have never gone with one, but have seen others go. They change clothes and are out the door in 2 minutes. I have never been able to convince one to go for less than 500k, and have not been there in a while as there is no A/C and it's too hot now.
Back to brothels. I am with Wendella, never believe a xe om. This hotel will likely be one at a time. I think with them (xe om) you will always get a bad deal, the worst girls at the worst price and with the worst service. Too many trafficked girls, forced to work, poor performers as they should be considering why they are working. I want someone who wants to work, tries to please, and for a good price. Like Trang. See my pics in the Photo Gallery.
JD
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[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]
There was no wall to wall girls from what I could see (riding past on the street several times) just the reception/front desk. Hotel is just like a local hotel.
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So you didn't go in and ask to see the wall-to-wall girls? ;)
I should say, I got this tease once from a guy on the street in district 1-- he came up and told me there was a hotel I should come to that had many girls for me to choose from. I followed him aroudn the corner, sat down in the lobby while they pulled out the cell phone and called a motorbike to come with one very mediocre one on the back. When I said no, it was back to the cell phone. 10 minutes later, mediocre girl #2. I had a feeling how it was gonna go at that point. One hour would = 6 mediocre girls plus one hour wasted. There were no girls in the hotel. There was a cell phone in the hotel.
I'd say a pretty good rule to follow is that unless you actually see the thing being advertised, presume it doesn't exist. If it sounds tempting, go look at it first-hand immediately. Chances are high it won't be as advertised. Better to get that false hope out of your head as quickly as possible. Eventually you'll learn to skip the hope part and just presume it's bullshit.
[QUOTE=Johndao]It's a strange thing, and I haven't been able to figure it out, but there appear to be no regularly operating FS brothels in HCMC as there are in Hanoi. At least in 5 years here, I have never been to one although I am sure there must be some some out of the city center. Of course there are loads and loads of places to get blowjobs and feels onsite. And just as many places where takeaway is on the menu. But a place, a hotel where you walk in and are shown a bunch of girls, choose one and go to a room right there for a one stop price? Never seen it in HCMC. They have been operating in the West Lake area of Hanoi for years.
However, I have heard about 'mobile' brothels operating this way and have read about them being busted as well. By mobile, I mean a pimp or pimps brings a bunch of girls to a hotel and informs a limited number of clients of where and when. But the time is limited and then they move on. This can be very profitable, as they are eluding payments by staying on the move, unlike fixed venues that have to pay.
Even at the standard Hot Toc, massage/BJ places I frequent, the girls cannot go out with you from the place, although it is possible to make an early morning or late night date with them. They have to work all day, every day to maintain their positions. Only once in all the many girls I have seen in BBS/BJ shops here has a girl laid down on the table and asked me to fuck her. And she was gone the next week.
EXCEPTION: There is one dirty, small, very friendly Hot Toc I sometimes frequent on DBP where the girls will go out right then and there. Choose your girl, go the curtained area in the back and decide. Out to the short time hotel 50 meters down the road for less than 1 hr, one shot and 500k, or BJ right there. BJ is 70k for the house and 100k for her. I think if you go to the hotel you pay 70k to the house also and 50k for the hotel. I have never gone with one, but have seen others go. They change clothes and are out the door in 2 minutes. I have never been able to convince one to go for less than 500k, and have not been there in a while as there is no A/C and it's too hot now.
Back to brothels. I am with Wendella, never believe a xe om. This hotel will likely be one at a time. I think with them (xe om) you will always get a bad deal, the worst girls at the worst price and with the worst service. Too many trafficked girls, forced to work, poor performers as they should be considering why they are working. I want someone who wants to work, tries to please, and for a good price. Like Trang. See my pics in the Photo Gallery.
JD
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[QUOTE=Johndao]It's a strange thing, and I haven't been able to figure it out, but there appear to be no regularly operating FS brothels in HCMC as there are in Hanoi. [/QUOTE]
Yes there are. They are all located about 30 minutes out of District 1 There are 7 within a 1km radius. Now there maybe more maybe less. Not sure
I have been to all before but just to lazy to regularly go up due to the distance. Have tried to hook-up with Wendella on numerous occasions to show him the place but our schedules never seem to be able to match.
Entrance is VND100K to the house, VND500K to the girl after the deed is done.
[QUOTE=Newbie]Yes there are. They are all located about 30 minutes out of District 1 There are 7 within a 1km radius. Now there maybe more maybe less. Not sure
I have been to all before but just to lazy to regularly go up due to the distance. Have tried to hook-up with Wendella on numerous occasions to show him the place but our schedules never seem to be able to match.
Entrance is VND100K to the house, VND500K to the girl after the deed is done.[/QUOTE]
Be discrete with a location like this. PM only to trusted members who ask.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Be discrete with a location like this. PM only to trusted members who ask.[/QUOTE]I think that describing the location as '30 minutes out of District 1' is about as discrete as one could get.
With traffic the way it is, 30 minutes could be less than 1km!
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Be discrete with a location like this. PM only to trusted members who ask.[/QUOTE]
Hi Susdoz, your advice is noted.
I have received some PMs regarding the address / location of the brothels. I am sorry to say that unless I have met the Forumer before or he is recommended by someone I have met, I will not PM the location. Call me paranoid but then again, I think I am just being cautious.
[QUOTE=Newbie] I will not PM the location. Call me paranoid but then again, I think I am just being cautious.[/QUOTE]Not paranoid at all. I once helped a stranger. Met him in a bar prior to helping him out and it caused me a great deal of embarrassment. Should have spotted it. He had the "Thai girls are much better because. " and "things are better in Thailand because. " kind of attitude before we'd even started.
I'm a bit out of touch with the scene so tend to lurk here. But 3 or 4 years ago there were a number of brothels a 2 or 3 miles out of town. Possibly Binh Thanh.
One I was taken to made only a half-hearted attempt to look legit. It said Hot Toc on the fascia. But only a couple basins and nothing plumbed in at front. At 9pm no staff to be seen and the lights were off outside. Through a door and through another door where a woman took payment in advance. VND100, 000. I was given a towel and a couple of numbers. My VN friend advised me it was probably pointless showering as it would probably leave me more dirty than when I started. What was beyond looked a bit like an NHS ward (UK hospital ward) from the 1970s. Dimly lit and a Hampton Court maze of curtains. I was given a couple of numbers. Each representing a curtained off mattress. My friend had to point me in the right direction. It was too dark for me to work out the numbers. I could choose which of the two, or reject. Each "cubicle" was little bigger than the mattress itself. The girl was already in place. No time limit was specified and I was told no need to hurry. My friend in a nearby cubicle making endless sarcastic remarks and the general sordid environment put me off. After 15mins or so, I announced I was finished. I was told that no tip was necessary or expected. Though I could if I wanted to. Up to me. I gave the girl VND50, 000 which probably just confused her.
I doubt this place is there now. Though at the time it was not the only one. Pretty nasty really. With effort I could probably work out where it was. A couple of times I spotted the location as I flew into Saigon. A nearby bridge was quite distinctive.
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[QUOTE=Sudsoz]3. A pimp in Dong Du was filling my ear with talk about a hotel in District 1 with wall to wall girls. I took a card but did not check it out. Hoang Anh Hotel at 33 Co Giang St in D1[/QUOTE]I think I've been to that hotel a few times. The girls sit outside drinking coffee and soda on little plastic chairs near 93 CG in the evenings. Sit down, order a drink, and make eye contact. One of the girls may suggest "a massage". Negotiate for about 500k/ 1 hr and then you can walk down the street to the hotel. Sometime the girls are with some guy friends who will encourage you to choose a girl. The hotel costs 200k. A trusted xe om driver introduced me to this setup.
[QUOTE=Casey2005]I think I've been to that hotel a few times. The girls sit outside drinking coffee and soda on little plastic chairs near 93 CG in the evenings. Sit down, order a drink, and make eye contact. One of the girls may suggest "a massage". Negotiate for about 500k/ 1 hr and then you can walk down the street to the hotel. Sometime the girls are with some guy friends who will encourage you to choose a girl. The hotel costs 200k. A trusted xe om driver introduced me to this setup.[/QUOTE]Yes, Casey is right, but I would suggest prices more in line with 100k for the hotel and 300k max for the girl. The 'guy friends' may be better described as 'pimps', or 'minders' if you really want to be generous in your description.
[QUOTE=Casey2005]... Negotiate for about 500k/ 1 hr ...The hotel costs 200k. A trusted xe om driver introduced me to this setup.[/QUOTE]
"500K for a girl, 200K for a 1hr hotel" - you ARE a good customer.
I would think, for that money, you would get a model like material.
Just for a f**k (without the massa, massa by this type of girls is useless anywhy), 200K, even 150K for a girl, 50K for hotel. That's quite enough!
I would suggest you "untrust" your trusted xe om driver.
[QUOTE=Johndao]It's a strange thing, and I haven't been able to figure it out, but there appear to be no regularly operating FS brothels in HCMC as there are in Hanoi. At least in 5 years here, I have never been to one although I am sure there must be some some out of the city center. Of course there are loads and loads of places to get blowjobs and feels onsite. And just as many places where takeaway is on the menu. But a place, a hotel where you walk in and are shown a bunch of girls, choose one and go to a room right there for a one stop price? Never seen it in HCMC. They have been operating in the West Lake area of Hanoi for years.
About seven or eight years ago, I used to visit brothels not too far off Hai Ba Trung. They were located in storefronts, but the door was always closed. A cyclo driver took me there the first time and knocked on the door and they let us in. The next time, I went there alone and knocked on the door and they let me in.
It was like a bar inside with table and chairs, a mamasan and girls. You went in, sat down, had a drink, then picked a girl. They didn't have rooms in back, so you had to go to a short-time hotel. I went there twice. Service was good one time and mediocre the next time. Girls were mostly very pretty, but many did not speak English, so I had to use my basic Vietnamese.
I tried to go back in recent years, but they were gone. I haven't seenany since.
[QUOTE=Canyon]About seven or eight years ago, I used to visit brothels not too far off Hai Ba Trung. They were located in storefronts, but the door was always closed. A cyclo driver took me there the first time and knocked on the door and they let us in. The next time, I went there alone and knocked on the door and they let me in.
It was like a bar inside with table and chairs, a mamasan and girls. You went in, sat down, had a drink, then picked a girl. They didn't have rooms in back, so you had to go to a short-time hotel. I went there twice. Service was good one time and mediocre the next time. Girls were mostly very pretty, but many did not speak English, so I had to use my basic Vietnamese.
I tried to go back in recent years, but they were gone. I haven't seenany since.[/QUOTE]They are still around as I kind of fell into one a few weeks ago. I was pretty drunk from the night and the HBT bars were closing as I arrived. I was on my motorbike and another Vietnamese guy asked me if I still wanted to see girls and drink, so I said yes. He took me to a place on Ðông Du between HBT and Ð? Ng Kh? I street. I can't remember the address but, when I go around that area again I will try and see if any of it looks familiar.
As far as the service went, it was pretty expensive, well, similar to the HBT bars. The beers were also in that same price range, maybe slightly higher since they were serving around 1 am and they close around 4am or when there is no more customers. They did have a good selection to choose from. If one girls sits with you and you don't like they will change for you with no problem. Girls are friendly and on average I would say 7/10. I took home what I thought was an 8/10, drunk, and service was standard. Nothing to write home about.
Dear All,
For those of you who have patronised X-Club (30 Ngueyn Cu Trinh, D1) and have bottles of alcohol left over, do take note the place may not stay open for very much longer. It has recently made news in the local papers for all the wrong reasons;
1. Reported to sell fake liquor.
2. Reported to be a hang out place for junkies
3. Reported to allow many "undesireble ladies" of "questionable repute" to patronise the disco.
Better head back fast to finish your alcohol. Authorities might just shut the place again.
Club D & D (AKA Club 97) located on 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai has also closed. Many say because business is bad. When it will re-open, have no clue.
[QUOTE=Newbie]Dear All,
For those of you who have patronised X-Club (30 Ngueyn Cu Trinh, D1) and have bottles of alcohol left over, do take note the place may not stay open for very much longer. It has recently made news in the local papers for all the wrong reasons;
1. Reported to sell fake liquor.
2. Reported to be a hang out place for junkies
3. Reported to allow many "undesireble ladies" of "questionable repute" to patronise the disco.
Better head back fast to finish your alcohol. Authorities might just shut the place again.
Club D & D (AKA Club 97) located on 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai has also closed. Many say because business is bad. When it will re-open, have no clue.[/QUOTE]Yes, better go back to finish your 'fake' bottle of XO. But then again, those who would drink 'XO' with ice and coke really do deserve to be sold 'fake' at full price, don't they?
[QUOTE=Newbie]Dear All,
For those of you who have patronised X-Club (30 Ngueyn Cu Trinh, D1) and have bottles of alcohol left over, do take note the place may not stay open for very much longer. It has recently made news in the local papers for all the wrong reasons;
1. Reported to sell fake liquor.
2. Reported to be a hang out place for junkies
3. Reported to allow many "undesireble ladies" of "questionable repute" to patronise the disco.
Better head back fast to finish your alcohol. Authorities might just shut the place again.
Club D & D (AKA Club 97) located on 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai has also closed. Many say because business is bad. When it will re-open, have no clue.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the info., but most of the clubs in VN sell fake liquor, or #2 & 3 like you mentioned. If the cops get a cut of the profits, they will come to find reasons to close any businesses down.
[QUOTE=Playsafe]Thanks for the info., but most of the clubs in VN sell fake liquor, or #2 & 3 like you mentioned. If the cops get a cut of the profits, they will come to find reasons to close any businesses down.[/QUOTE]
I think its the fact that its being reported in the paper that makes it a red flag, not just the fact it's selling fake liquor. If everything was settled the way you describe, it wouldn't end up in the paper.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I think its the fact that its being reported in the paper that makes it a red flag, not just the fact it's selling fake liquor. If everything was settled the way you describe, it wouldn't end up in the paper.[/QUOTE]
My fault. I forgot to add the word "'don't' get a cut", but I didn't disagree with newbie's facts.
Because it was not settled the way I described, that's why it ended up in the paper.
I don't know of any clubs that don't have prostitutes. I don't even know of any clubs that discouraged prostitutes from coming in.
When any night clubs become too popular, even with the local police protection, the top guys from Hanoi will come down & shut them down.
Anyone remember what's happened to New Century in Hanoi? It's gone now.
[QUOTE=Johndao]Yes, better go back to finish your 'fake' bottle of XO. But then again, those who would drink 'XO' with ice and coke really do deserve to be sold 'fake' at full price, don't they?[/QUOTE]
You can't say that just because someone drinks Brandy with Coke deserves to be served fake alcohol.
I guess it boils down to personal preference and also "Monkey See Monkey Do" as well as posers and wannabes...
[QUOTE=Newbie]You can't say that just because someone drinks Brandy with Coke deserves to be served fake alcohol.
I guess it boils down to personal preference and also "Monkey See Monkey Do" as well as posers and wannabes...[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but brandy with coke is right up there with... cognac with green tea, wagyu steak with ketchup, sushi with chilli sauce. It's just wrong.
[QUOTE=Playsafe]My fault. I forgot to add the word "'don't' get a cut", but I didn't disagree with newbie's facts.
Because it was not settled the way I described, that's why it ended up in the paper.
[/QUOTE]
Ah, oops. Sorry. Misunderstood.
I thought Brandy and Coke was a Nigerian thing.
[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]They are still around as I kind of fell into one a few weeks ago. I was pretty drunk from the night and the HBT bars were closing as I arrived. I was on my motorbike and another Vietnamese guy asked me if I still wanted to see girls and drink, so I said yes. He took me to a place on Ðông Du between HBT and Ð? Ng Kh? I street. I can't remember the address but, when I go around that area again I will try and see if any of it looks familiar.
As far as the service went, it was pretty expensive, well, similar to the HBT bars. The beers were also in that same price range, maybe slightly higher since they were serving around 1 am and they close around 4am or when there is no more customers. They did have a good selection to choose from. If one girls sits with you and you don't like they will change for you with no problem. Girls are friendly and on average I would say 7/10. I took home what I thought was an 8/10, drunk, and service was standard. Nothing to write home about.[/QUOTE]
That bar is the reincarnation of the Cali Bar that used to be around the corner on Mac Thi Buoi.
[QUOTE=Newbie]Dear All,
For those of you who have patronised X-Club (30 Ngueyn Cu Trinh, D1) and have bottles of alcohol left over, do take note the place may not stay open for very much longer. It has recently made news in the local papers for all the wrong reasons;
1. Reported to sell fake liquor.
2. Reported to be a hang out place for junkies
3. Reported to allow many "undesireble ladies" of "questionable repute" to patronise the disco.
Better head back fast to finish your alcohol. Authorities might just shut the place again.
Club D & D (AKA Club 97) located on 97 Nguyen Thi Minh Khai has also closed. Many say because business is bad. When it will re-open, have no clue.[/QUOTE]1. Mixed drinks are so weak here that'd be difficult to identify what the alcohol content is. Wonder how you'd go bringing in a hip flask;
2. Don't agree that obvious junkies hang out in these places, although would certainly help to appreciate the "music" with some chemical assistance. I've seen some very drunk Vietnamese men being helped out by security and their friends, and looked like they were being treated quite well. In Australia would probably be dumped on the footpath and maybe given one to go on with;
3. Your experience may differ but don't agree that there are many pros in these clubs. Of course plenty in Apocalypse and in Gossip around the bar, but most of the other places I've been in the girls look pretty well heeled and are with other Vietnamese. Looks like having a night out with friends, although of course looking very sexy. Have managed to avoid Lush so far but heard that there'd been a bit of trouble for expats with locals. Would be quite a different experience because usually am either ignored or treated well. Note that PR girls in Liquid, America etc aren't pros of course. But could turn into girl friends if you're prepared to put in the hard yards. If you could be bothered.
In case of any possible confusion -- the newspaper reported these things, but that's not the same as saying they're true. I dont' think the OP of this one was necessarily assuming the details reported in the news story were facts. I think it's more that a story like that in the newspaper can often be a prelude to a place being shut down.
[QUOTE=Macheath]1. Mixed drinks are so weak here that'd be difficult to identify what the alcohol content is. Wonder how you'd go bringing in a hip flask;
2. Don't agree that obvious junkies hang out in these places, although would certainly help to appreciate the "music" with some chemical assistance. I've seen some very drunk Vietnamese men being helped out by security and their friends, and looked like they were being treated quite well. In Australia would probably be dumped on the footpath and maybe given one to go on with;
3. Your experience may differ but don't agree that there are many pros in these clubs. Of course plenty in Apocalypse and in Gossip around the bar, but most of the other places I've been in the girls look pretty well heeled and are with other Vietnamese. Looks like having a night out with friends, although of course looking very sexy. Have managed to avoid Lush so far but heard that there'd been a bit of trouble for expats with locals. Would be quite a different experience because usually am either ignored or treated well. Note that PR girls in Liquid, America etc aren't pros of course. But could turn into girl friends if you're prepared to put in the hard yards. If you could be bothered.[/QUOTE]
I am taking a friend to HCMC which never have been in Asia before, I wish I could take him to Bangkok or PP which I know fairly well, but this is it.
Where could we find a A GO GO like bar, I RTTF but couldn't really find something, we're just looking for a seedy place to drink some beers and watch some grls, andy advice would be great! :)
Maybe one in a touristy area and one more hidden?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]I am taking a friend to HCMC which never have been in Asia before, I wish I could take him to Bangkok or PP which I know fairly well, but this is it.
Where could we find a A GO GO like bar, I RTTF but couldn't really find something, we're just looking for a seedy place to drink some beers and watch some grls, andy advice would be great! :)
Maybe one in a touristy area and one more hidden?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Take him to Apocalypse and then to bars like Coco down the street.
[QUOTE=Richo Stevens]I am taking a friend to HCMC which never have been in Asia before, I wish I could take him to Bangkok or PP which I know fairly well, but this is it.
Where could we find a A GO GO like bar, I RTTF but couldn't really find something, we're just looking for a seedy place to drink some beers and watch some grls, andy advice would be great! :)
Maybe one in a touristy area and one more hidden?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Sudsoz knows this but didn't mention it: there aren't any go-go bars in Vietnam. There's hostess bars. Apocalypse is a disco with some freelance girls working there in amongst the normal club-goers. Coco is a new hostess bar. For lots more hostess bars (mostly better in terms of talent, imo), walk over to Hai Ba Trung street and you'll find many.
Maybe I was a bit brief this morning so thanks to Wendella. Reading Richo's post leaves me wondering is his friend wants to partake or just look.
For a newcomer the HBT bars are maybe a bit heavy on it which is why I suggested Coco or Smiley's around the corner. There you can choose a cutie and play some pool and choose whether you want you cue polished or not.
If he really just wants to look there is nothing like the go-gos of Soi Cowboy but there is the up market offerings at Club Royale or Catwalk. The beauties cruise around with Mama and will sit for a fee.
But if he decides that he wants take-out the best bet is still the Mama at Ny Saigon.
And smile and enjoy the search and smile and enjoy the negotiation at every step along the way!
Just arrived HCM today.
I gone to Gossip tonight around 10pm, but action really start around 11 to midnight.
Entrance fee 120.000 with a beer, next beer 100.000, quite expensive place.
Music too strong for me, have to stay near the bar for save my ears!
I saw 2 sexy Bimbos of 1, 70M, drinking gold label and just show how much they are sexy and stupid, this is the asian way, not only in Vietnam.
By the way, I talked to some freelance, requesting 150 USD for a night LOL. Bargain to 100 USD and finally 1M dong for one hour.
I tried to bargain around 800.000 then she felt upset and left.
I don't regret anything, I guess the service was bad anyways.
Tonight, let's go to Volcano. Then I arrived to "Pink Girl" at midnight, it's seems it was rename.
Nice Club, good DJ and good light Jokey. Not many people tonight, I think I saw 2 Freelances only.
No entrance fee, Beer at 100.000 VND
30mn later, I decided to go to Apocalypse, it was closed at midnight !
Got back to Gossip, nothing interesting until 2AM it's closed.
What's up with Moon Bar at 70 Pasteur and the nearby #5 bar?
[QUOTE=Johndao]What's up with Moon Bar at 70 Pasteur and the nearby #5 bar?[/QUOTE]
Normal bars, but with friendly waitresses/barmaids. Oasis is another like this over across from Ben Thanh market. As far as I know, they're not 'working' but maybe others here have different experience. #5 was down on Ly Tu Truong a long time, at the start of it, across from Lush (not exactly across but close).
[QUOTE=Ozzy Bkk]Just arrived HCM today.
I gone to Gossip tonight around 10pm, but action really start around 11 to midnight.
Entrance fee 120.000 with a beer, next beer 100.000, quite expensive place.
Music too strong for me, have to stay near the bar for save my ears!
I saw 2 sexy Bimbos of 1, 70M, drinking gold label and just show how much they are sexy and stupid, this is the asian way, not only in Vietnam.
By the way, I talked to some freelance, requesting 150 USD for a night LOL. Bargain to 100 USD and finally 1M dong for one hour.
I tried to bargain around 800.000 then she felt upset and left.
I don't regret anything, I guess the service was bad anyways.[/QUOTE]
Good Job standing your ground. That is crazy 150 for all night and 100 for ST. Don't they know we are in a recession. Next time lie at the front and say you have bottle service. Save you entrance fee. Will be there in 2 weeks. Vietnam night life is not like what it used to be.
Thanks for the info on #5 and Moon Bar.
What about Ladies Night at Lush and Cage? I think on Tues and Wed one or the other has free drinks for ladies. What's the action like? Anyone?
Has anyone been to the new Bar 'Blueberry' at 60 Calmette?
This place has been around forever. I understand it's not a Wh*re Bar like the ones on HBT and LTT, but has anyone ever gone off with any of the Polo girls? If so, which one(s) and how much?
Also, what's the difference between the girls at the bar and the girls around the sides of the room? How much do people tip there? Anyone? Thanks,
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao]Thanks for the info on #5 and Moon Bar.
What about Ladies Night at Lush and Cage? I think on Tues and Wed one or the other has free drinks for ladies. What's the action like? Anyone? [/QUOTE]Hey John! Ladies night is on Tuesday at Lush, there is plenty of girls there, not all working but for sure all available! Hehe.
I felt guilty last Friday, I haven't follow a girl who wanted just fun! About workers, I guess they are pretty expensive, cause most of them are model like. So probably not what are you looking for.
Haven't try there so you might be more lucky with some others guys.
I drove by what looks to me like a new nightclub at the end of Dong Khoi near the river, opposite the Majestic Hotel. It's called Club Catinat after the former name of this street during the French Colonial period.
I saw lots and lots of what look to be very pretty girls sitting beside large glass windows all around the club and two at an outside table. I could not say they for sure were not guests or customers, but I guess they aren't. I ddi not see anyone that looked like a customer. I also saw a band playing inside. about 9:30PM on Wednesday.
Anybody have any info?
Thanks, JD
[QUOTE=Johndao]I drove by what looks to me like a new nightclub at the end of Dong Khoi near the river, opposite the Majestic Hotel. It's called Club Catinat after the former name of this street during the French Colonial period.
I saw lots and lots of what look to be very pretty girls sitting beside large glass windows all around the club and two at an outside table. I could not say they for sure were not guests or customers, but I guess they aren't. I ddi not see anyone that looked like a customer. I also saw a band playing inside. about 9:30PM on Wednesday.
Anybody have any info?
Thanks, JD[/QUOTE]
I have been in there in the daytime and it was just a coffee shop with bad coffee.
Comparing four bars where the staff is all female and the customers nearly all male. These are not wh*re bars like the bars on Hai Ba Trung and Le Thanh Ton, just normal places to have a drink and where the pretty girls at the bar are the bartenders and have the job of talking to you and selling drinks, not getting them for themselves or offering to go home with you for a fee.
The bars are:
Oasis on Pham Ngu Lao across from the bus station
Number 5 on lower Pasteur
Moon Bar on lower Pasteur very near Number 5
Polo Bar on Ham Nghi
All these bars are within a very short distance of one another.
Drink prices are similar with draft beer at Polo being the highest at 41,000 Dong including 10% added
Oasis has Fosters for 25,000 and Tiger for 30,000
Number 5 has draft beer at 35,000 and Moon Bar at 30,000
Number 5 and Polo are much larger than the other two and attract bigger crowds. They also have the prettiest bartenders. The girls at Moon Bar were really not attractive at all, with one exception that I saw. Same at Oasis. Polo is surely tops in pretty bartenders.
Number 5 has lots of lovely and friendly girls and the music is at a volume where you can talk. There are some couches to sit on, sports on TV (will not interest Americans--rugby and cricket was all I saw) and it's an ok place for females too. Also, Number 5 is the only place with a decent food menu. You can have dinner there.
Polo also has lots of pretty girls to talk too, but the music is a bit loud and the place is dark. Polo also does not have a pool table unlike the other three, and to me, it generally has the sleaziest feel. Also, you have to pay 5000d to park your bike.
The peanuts at all places gave me a stomach ache as they are probably used again and again and have had many dirty fingers on them.
If anybody can add anything to this, please do. I hope this is helpful to newbies to HCMC as well as those who just want to go out for a drink and look at and/or talk to pretty girls without all the hassle.
PM me for more info if you need.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao]Comparing four bars where the staff is all female and the customers nearly all male. These are not wh*re bars like the bars on Hai Ba Trung and Le Thanh Ton, just normal places to have a drink and where the pretty girls at the bar are the bartenders and have the job of talking to you and selling drinks, not getting them for themselves or offering to go home with you for a fee.
The bars are:
Oasis on Pham Ngu Lao across from the bus station
Number 5 on lower Pasteur
Moon Bar on lower Pasteur very near Number 5
Polo Bar on Ham Nghi
All these bars are within a very short distance of one another.
Drink prices are similar with draft beer at Polo being the highest at 41,000 Dong including 10% added
Oasis has Fosters for 25,000 and Tiger for 30,000
Number 5 has draft beer at 35,000 and Moon Bar at 30,000
Number 5 and Polo are much larger than the other two and attract bigger crowds. They also have the prettiest bartenders. The girls at Moon Bar were really not attractive at all, with one exception that I saw. Same at Oasis. Polo is surely tops in pretty bartenders.
Number 5 has lots of lovely and friendly girls and the music is at a volume where you can talk. There are some couches to sit on, sports on TV (will not interest Americans--rugby and cricket was all I saw) and it's an ok place for females too. Also, Number 5 is the only place with a decent food menu. You can have dinner there.
Polo also has lots of pretty girls to talk too, but the music is a bit loud and the place is dark. Polo also does not have a pool table unlike the other three, and to me, it generally has the sleaziest feel. Also, you have to pay 5000d to park your bike.
The peanuts at all places gave me a stomach ache as they are probably used again and again and have had many dirty fingers on them.
If anybody can add anything to this, please do. I hope this is helpful to newbies to HCMC as well as those who just want to go out for a drink and look at and/or talk to pretty girls without all the hassle.
PM me for more info if you need.
JD[/QUOTE]
A quieter bar with nice girls like this is the Hot Chilli Bar on Dong Do (Du?) with nice gals in Aoi Dai. Owned by a sweety by name of Dung. About to relocate over behind SunWah Tower.
And whilst these gals are not 'available' good things can always happen if you are nice to people.
[QUOTE=Johndao]I drove by what looks to me like a new nightclub at the end of Dong Khoi near the river, opposite the Majestic Hotel. It's called Club Catinat.[/quote]JD,
Seems like you're moving up in the world, fishing in the Q1 pond. Did you win the lottery?
If such is the case you should try the dance club Maxims across the road. Dance as in "proper dancing" with live viet band and singers. Gonna cost you about 80k to get in and drinks quite expensive but big selection of girls dressed to the 9's. Girls are kind of hostesses so there's a price to sit or dance with them, maybe 200k for couple of hours plus a negotiable tip. I think this may be about the last vestige of a taxi dance club. Haven't been for about 6 months, and used to drop in maybe every couple of months just for something a bit different. If you get there at 9 you'll be the first and everything is finished by 12, so if lucky you might get some takeaway or go out for a bite after.
Some very pretty girls and some quite tall, although all wearing high heels. Lots of cleavage and leg on display, although might just be long dress slit high, lots of makeup. Quite dark so things might look different in the harsh light of day. My opinion is that mostly "good girls" with expensive tastes open to a boyfriend or maybe a few hours company for the right price. You'll be laughed at or shunned if you offer your street girl prices.
Polo Bar. Maybe sleazy atmosphere because at the top of the stairs one door to bar and other to massage. Has best looking girls and best English speakers, and all looking for boyfriends, but too smokey and too much of a drinkers' bar for me.
Number 5. Was on Mac Dinh Chi most recently and other places before and more of a sports bar; M52 and Moon bar for regulars and drinkers. Lots of new bars in this area behind Sun Wah/Pasteur area, Voodoo bar not bad for a drink. That Chilli Bar has to be about the smallest bar in town. Changes from a travel agency about 6pm and no reason to go there unless you've got a crush. My general comment is that these are places to go for a drink and are full of regulars. Lots of people are looking for somewhere to drink since Latin closed. You might find an attractive girl, in which case get her number and arrange a date. But she won't be a pro and she'll be looking for a boyfriend.
Sometimes interesting to me the behaviour/ mentality of some customers. Since when is it acceptable to walk into a place, sit down next to a stranger and light up a cigar, or walk along a bar top in your filthy shoes. Just 2 examples of yob Brit behaviour. Thank whoever that my ancestors were deported or left that green unpleasant land.
It's legal to act like an arsehole here but not compulsory.
Hi, first-timer coming to HCMC, would love to get some recommendations from some of the long-time guys there for nice bars where you can have a good beer or whiskey, chat up some cute chicks -- pros or amateurs welcome -- and perhaps take one home if you get lucky.
I've read some of the comments on here about Polo, Oasis, No. 5, etc. and may check those out. Any other recommendations would be most appreciated. Feel free to PM as well if there's anything you'd prefer to share that way. And if you feel like hitting any of these bars together or otherwise mongering, that sounds great too.
Best,
WJ
[QUOTE=Macheath]Lots of cleavage and leg on display, although might just be long dress slit high, lots of makeup. My opinion is that mostly "good girls" with expensive tastes open to a boyfriend or maybe a few hours company for the right price. You'll be laughed at or shunned if you offer your street girl prices.
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Huh?? 'Good girls' who go to dance clubs, display lots of cleavage and leg, lots of makeup, hunt 'boyfriends' or are willing to fuck for money? I must be getting old if that's what a 'good girl' has become.
In fact, they are bar/club wh*res but they speak English, dress up, and ARE pretty no doubt. But wh*res they are.
I wouldn't offer them street girl prices. But the ones who are laughed at are the ones foolish enough to pay these girls the 2 million Dong they ask for and believe they are 'good girls.'
[QUOTE=Johndao]Huh?? 'Good girls' who go to dance clubs, display lots of cleavage and leg, lots of makeup, hunt 'boyfriends' or are willing to fuck for money? I must be getting old if that's what a 'good girl' has become.
In fact, they are bar/club wh*res but they speak English, dress up, and ARE pretty no doubt. But wh*res they are.
I wouldn't offer them street girl prices. But the ones who are laughed at are the ones foolish enough to pay these girls the 2 million Dong they ask for and believe they are 'good girls.'[/QUOTE]I wasn't meaning to suggest that these girls are better than anyone else, more a comment on how I think that they probably think of themselves. I don't think of them as "good" or "bad", but no doubt easier for them to rationalise their behaviour than if obviously riding around on motor bikes offering sex for money. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of them only go as far as being paid dance partners and nothing more. I couldn't call them wh*res even if I used that description, because I haven't had sex with any of them. Either for money or otherwise.
I think that by your definition most women are wh*res. In my experience most women trade sex for money or security or status etc. Whether or not that makes them wh*res is a matter of opinion. I prefer not to put labels on them, particularly as most of them are just maximising their earning potential in a generally very low wage economy.
Incidentally just noticed that my post was auto edited so followed your example in using wh*res. I can't say that I understand this.
So did anyone go check out this Catinat yet? Curious to hear what that one is about. Having a glass front and being on Dong Khoi probably means it's pretty straightlaced, maybe just a normal cafe.
I noticed Oasis has mostly bartenders (girls) from the old No. 5 that was located on Ly Tu Truong across the street from Lush. There were some cuties there back then. I did not see them at the relocated No. 5 on Mac Dinh Chi later, replaced by a new set that weren't as cute or nearly as friendly, IMO. Went there with a friend who'd just arrived one night, we were totally ignored by staff. We were both dressed smart, clean cut -- very different vibe from the old place. There you would never be left alone. Haven't been to the Pasteur incarnation. Nor Oasis -- have driven past and spotted a few familiar faces.
Speaking of the old No. 5, it looks like Carmen is reopening in the same old location. Surprise, surprise.
[QUOTE=D Cups]Hey WJ howyadoin? If you like big tits check out Smiley's. They are pricier but oh so nice!
From an earlier D Cups: "Thanks for the info on Coco's, Sudsoz. I will have a look next time in HCM.
Mongers, if you like BIG ONES (.) (.) there were two young lovelies in Smileys when I was there last March with D sized cups. Cute, too, and not fat. Super sexy. They wanted 1,000,000 a piece (yeah right) but I negotiated to 600K including photos. I swear one of them must have the biggest tits in the whole country!"
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Hey D Cups, you wrote you negotiated for 2 at only 600k at Smiley's and that included photos! That's cheap at a bar in HCMC, not pricey. Still waiting for those photos. . .
JD
Over the past few months I’ve got to know a few of the girls working the HBT bars very well. This is how all the girls said the pricing works. BJ upstairs the girl pays the bar $10, girl leaves with a customer the girl pays the bar $20. Any lady drinks you buy them come off the $10/$20 bar fees. All other monies go directly to the girl. There is not "set" pricing inplace by the bar, the girls can charge whatever they like.
Hopefully this will help with your negotiations, if not; you at least know how much actually goes to the bar and girl.
Can someone please tell me where Smiley's is located?
Thanks!
So I went to Bar 29 on Dong Khoi? the other day. I like this place because they don't have an excessive bar fine but they do want you to buy the lady at least 3 drinks = 150K Dong. I know the bar girls are expensive but sometimes I don't have the patience to go with someone cheaper and have a bad experience or to go out further to find a better deal.
So I had this young chick ~20yo and before I decided to take her out I felt her up and man was her body taught. Went to mini H and her box was so tight it was lovely and doing doggie was my fav as her behind was just the right handful but not mushy, just nice and tight. But being so young and the fact she said she just started, her experience was a bit limiting. Still it was nice.
I went back the same week before a dinner and just wanted a BJ. Mamasan got all mad because I told her I paid 500K before to go upstairs to get the job done. She wanted 1Mil, plus 200K for drinks. WTF, it was very expensive to do this upstairs. Before doing the deed, I was just hanging about and every 5 minutes or so girl went back down to get another drink. Mamasan thought I already tried to do the deed with the chick a couple of times already, WTF. Just hassling for more money. She is usually pretty nice as I am a regular customer, but I guess it's money hounding time in this economy.
Anybody else have a good experience at this place?
[QUOTE=Crazyazn]Can someone please tell me where Smiley's is located?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Smiley's is on Thai Van Lung, cross street Le Thanh Ton and parallel to Thi Sach. THere is a big smiley sign outside and a little ways to the right there is a building with a small pizza place.
[QUOTE=Dawg415]Smiley's is on Thai Van Lung, cross street Le Thanh Ton and parallel to Thi Sach. THere is a big smiley sign outside and a little ways to the right there is a building with a small pizza place.[/QUOTE]The pizza kiosk is Scoozi Pizza. Great Pizza's though the toppings are a bit sparce. Wood fired pizza oven.
[QUOTE=Dawg415]So I went to Bar 29 on Dong Khoi? the other day. I like this place because they don't have an excessive bar fine but they do want you to buy the lady at least 3 drinks = 150K Dong. I know the bar girls are expensive but sometimes I don't have the patience to go with someone cheaper and have a bad experience or to go out further to find a better deal.[/QUOTE]How much was the tight 20 year old?
[QUOTE=Dawg415]Smiley's is on Thai Van Lung, cross street Le Thanh Ton and parallel to Thi Sach. THere is a big smiley sign outside and a little ways to the right there is a building with a small pizza place.[/QUOTE]Thank You Very Much!!
[QUOTE=Dawg415]So I went to Bar 29 on Dong Khoi? the other day. I like this place because they don't have an excessive bar fine but they do want you to buy the lady at least 3 drinks = 150K Dong. I know the bar girls are expensive but sometimes I don't have the patience to go with someone cheaper and have a bad experience or to go out further to find a better deal.
I went back the same week before a dinner and just wanted a BJ. Mamasan got all mad because I told her I paid 500K before to go upstairs to get the job done. She wanted 1Mil, plus 200K for drinks. WTF, it was very expensive to do this upstairs. Before doing the deed, I was just hanging about and every 5 minutes or so girl went back down to get another drink. Mamasan thought I already tried to do the deed with the chick a couple of times already, WTF. Just hassling for more money. She is usually pretty nice as I am a regular customer, but I guess it's money hounding time in this economy.
Anybody else have a good experience at this place?[/QUOTE]Sorry Dawg but are you saying that you paid 1m for a BJ at 29 Plus 200k for drinks? After you paid 500k last time? Is that right?
JD
Checked out Lush on Friday and Saturday nite. Friday nite was a lot better and more people. Friday plays rnb/hip hop and Saturday plays that crappy house/techno you hear all over saigon.
Most the girls there seemed to be non pros bar a handfull which were obvious as they were just standing around in a bunch scanning the room for customers. These were super hot tho 7-9s.
Went there for non p4p action and met a nice girl who says she isn't a worker. She also tells me that this place doesn't have many 'chickens' and is more popular with gay guys. I did notice them around too. Gay guys are cool to hang with if you arent homophobic. They tend to always have hot girls hanging with them. Seemed like my girl is looking for boyfriend material.
Go here if your looking for long term and no p4p. The girls arent gonna be 10s but you mite score freebies.
[QUOTE=Johndao]Sorry Dawg but are you saying that you paid 1m for a BJ at 29 Plus 200k for drinks? After you paid 500k last time? Is that right?
JD[/QUOTE]JD, No i Paid 500 for drinks and the BJ.
Last time I paid 200K for the drinks and then 1m for the girl.
Sorry for the confusion.
Heading to HCMC in December. Does anybody know of any good clubs I can hit up? Heard of Gossip, Lush and Palace. Anyone have any feedback on these?
Any others?
[QUOTE=Greywolf69]Heading to HCMC in December. Does anybody know of any good clubs I can hit up? Heard of Gossip, Lush and Palace. Anyone have any feedback on these?
Any others?[/QUOTE]
Lush is full of Vietnamese rich kids spending their parents' money on the weekends. Palace has been closed since more than a year ago. Go to Gossip, the 'usual suspects' hangout toward the rear by the bar.
[QUOTE=Raverboy]Lush is full of Vietnamese rich kids spending their parents' money on the weekends. Palace has been closed since more than a year ago. Go to Gossip, the 'usual suspects' hangout toward the rear by the bar.[/QUOTE]And what is the going rate for st or lt for these "usual suspects"?
[QUOTE=Greywolf69]And what is the going rate for st or lt for these "usual suspects"?[/QUOTE]
I hear the going rate is a C-note for LT, but I've only ever indulged here once as I'm fairly regular there. Admittedly, I sent her away with less than the above-mentioned 'going rate'. But that's ok, I still see her around the 'usual places' all the time. For a quick fix, I prefer cruising along known streets and window shopping. More info on that is available in the General Reports section.
The place is quite nice and the girls atractive and friendly however, whilst it wasnt a bad experience, id also say that it wasnt great as it wasnt value for money. Id suggest you go there if you don't have much game, can't speak the local language and plan to hook up with the girl later in the night for 100 us. But if thats not your intention then id say skip on the KTV experience.
I'm not sure how the other guys feel, but basically what I got from that night from the girls aspect was to cuddle and hug a girl for 3 hrs and joke and flirt around. I wasnt planning on any sexual activity anyway so I didn't even ask for a number. The girls are attractive, but not more so than girls I chat up in bars or coffee shops. The night cost us 2.5 mill for 5 people, the costs broke down to something like 12+ beers at 42keach, room charges and a girl charge. Which after talking to my local friend was a scam. We/I should have debated that extra charge but I was ignorant towards that so that was an extra 1.2 mill we could have avoided so you guys will have to sue me for it hahahah.
The girls we then tipped 300k, which again is slightly higher than normal. But if your try to sex her up I suppose you should agree, but maybe we need to be more assertive and say thats enough.
Further the mommy and the waiter was tipped 300k and 100k repsectively. Again from a locals point of view that is excessive. It would be more closer to 100k and 50k respectively. Keep in mind that if 300k was the normal price the mommy would be getting 1.5 mill on average a nite that 45 mill a month or 10x the average wage. Which is kinda ridiculas given she didn't even do any work or sat with us.
Again like said earlier on, if all I planned to do was chat and flirt with an attractve girl drink some beers. I can do that at a coffee shop and it would cost me 150k max. In a bar 300k max. In a KTV if you wanna hook up later and do some x rated groping then maybe it could justify the additional costs, or if you had little time and game. I couldn't be disprectful to the girl and grope her in public, maybe if I was by myself. I'll try a lower scale bia om and report the differences, I'll prob go with a local or go by myself
Thanks for reading and thats my 2 cents.
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I've been to bia om places several times with the locals. The expected tip was only 100k for each girl and the same for the mamasan. Plenty of groping went on even while others such as the Mamasan and waiter were in the room. It seemed to be expected. Beers cost 20k each. It's not uncommon for the mamasan to keep coming in the room to help herself to beer. As a foreigner, I wouldn't want to go alone to such places for fear of the bill being greatly inflated.
[QUOTE=Casey2005]I've been to bia om places several times with the locals. The expected tip was only 100k for each girl and the same for the mamasan. Plenty of groping went on even while others such as the Mamasan and waiter were in the room. It seemed to be expected. Beers cost 20k each. It's not uncommon for the mamasan to keep coming in the room to help herself to beer. As a foreigner, I wouldn't want to go alone to such places for fear of the bill being greatly inflated.[/QUOTE]Casey,
Can you direct me to a few decent places?
The street names should be sufficient.
Something more than q5?
[QUOTE=MutantChicken]The place is quite nice and the girls attractive and friendly however, whilst it wasn't a bad experience, I'd also say that it wasn't great as it wasn't value for money.[/QUOTE]
Yes Chicken, I agree. 2.5 million Dong for 5 guys with 12 beers total (208,000 Dong per beer, the only thing you received with any value), no sex, no groping, no contacts, isn't very good value for money, I think we would all agree, except maybe the most hardcore Karaoke Singing lover.
JD
Hello!
Arrived to Saigon yeasterday and after reading in this thread about Smiley's I went with a motorbiketaxi from Q1 and my backpacker hotel. The owner an old lady told my no girl up to room. I sad, what? I cant bring my 2 long year girl friend up to the room? I change hotel tomorrow I sad. Then she say, if she is Vietnamese she must have passport. No GF hotel huh? Ti Ti is the name, 14$ night with free real good Wifi.
Anyway, I head over to Smiley's but first took a pizza close to the bar. On Sundays the have "one free" for every pizza you buy. So I eat one and took one with me to the Smiley's. The girls was very happy for that. I went to this place because I read about the big boobs that should be here, did not find any real big, but pretty girls. 2-3 was minimum 8 in my book.
The girl that was standing with me had a superbody, thin, but with a nice round but. Not "bonebut" many thin girls can have. I gave her 2 LD for 50k each when she was with me. She say, If I want BJ its upstairs and FS is on hotel. I say I cant take you to hotel but the mamasan or who she was behind the bar sad that I just have to give the doorman/lady 100.000 Dong as a bride. I dont now, maybe its better to change hotel than stand there with a girl and boner and then get noathing because of a angry hotelowner. But im going to Singapore in two days anyway so, I dont know..
So, the price was like:
Takeout to hotel: 350k to bar > 1M to lady for two hours two pops.
BBJCIM upstairs: 250k to bar > 350k to lady.
Okey BJ but not deep and sloppy as I like. But she sloppy and slurping more when I asked here. But no deep, I was to big for here little mouth she say, I dont know, becuse I see myself like a average.
Anyway, newbie overprice or standard at Smiley's? I got another girls number when I went to the bathroom. Maybe give her a call. And does the other bars have same sexy, slim hot girls too? Ooooh, why only two days in Saigon!
No brothels or at least bars that have FS? Is it the MP I then have to visit?
I stopped in at 31 HBT the other night. A sorry place that is. Terrible dingy atmosphere, smoky (from the girls), Vietnamese comedy on TV, 10 or so mostly sullen, poorly painted girls busy with their cigs and text messages. Seven of the ten belong on the ugly girl corner of NCT where they would be lucky to get taken for 150k. The three others, ok but nothing special. Started spouting silly numbers like $40 and $60 and $100 (BJ, 1 Hr, Over Night). Then started begging me for a drink like the armless or legless do on the streets, then just said 'ten thousand for me, ok.' I finished up my 30k San Miguel and headed out.
JD
[QUOTE=Kid Icarus]Hello!
Arrived to Saigon yeasterday and after reading in this thread about Smiley's I went with a motorbiketaxi from Q1 and my backpacker hotel. The owner an old lady told my no girl up to room. I sad, what? I cant bring my 2 long year girl friend up to the room? I change hotel tomorrow I sad. Then she say, if she is Vietnamese she must have passport. No GF hotel huh? Ti Ti is the name, 14$ night with free real good Wifi.
Anyway, I head over to Smiley's but first took a pizza close to the bar. On Sundays the have "one free" for every pizza you buy. So I eat one and took one with me to the Smiley's. The girls was very happy for that. I went to this place because I read about the big boobs that should be here, did not find any real big, but pretty girls. 2-3 was minimum 8 in my book.
The girl that was standing with me had a superbody, thin, but with a nice round but. Not "bonebut" many thin girls can have. I gave her 2 LD for 50k each when she was with me. She say, If I want BJ its upstairs and FS is on hotel. I say I cant take you to hotel but the mamasan or who she was behind the bar sad that I just have to give the doorman/lady 100.000 Dong as a bride. I dont now, maybe its better to change hotel than stand there with a girl and boner and then get noathing because of a angry hotelowner. But im going to Singapore in two days anyway so, I dont know..
So, the price was like:
Takeout to hotel: 350k to bar > 1M to lady for two hours two pops.
BBJCIM upstairs: 250k to bar > 350k to lady.
Okey BJ but not deep and sloppy as I like. But she sloppy and slurping more when I asked here. But no deep, I was to big for here little mouth she say, I dont know, becuse I see myself like a average.
Anyway, newbie overprice or standard at Smiley's? I got another girls number when I went to the bathroom. Maybe give her a call. And does the other bars have same sexy, slim hot girls too? Ooooh, why only two days in Saigon!
No brothels or at least bars that have FS? Is it the MP I then have to visit?[/QUOTE]When I read this, this is the very thing I try and stop from happening.1.35m for a 2 hr 2 pop FS session plus 100k for doorman. I can gt this for 600k max. But honestly I'm only 30, but unless I haven't had sex in 1 week I couldt pop twice in 2 hrs. Maybe when I was 16. Then 600k for a bbbjcom when its going rate is 200k a mere 10min away. Jez man, try reading the forum more than 10 pages deep and you will find better locations.
[QUOTE=Johndao]I stopped in at 31 HBT the other night. A sorry place that is. Terrible dingy atmosphere, smoky (from the girls), Vietnamese comedy on TV, 10 or so mostly sullen, poorly painted girls busy with their cigs and text messages. Seven of the ten belong on the ugly girl corner of NCT where they would be lucky to get taken for 150k. The three others, ok but nothing special. Started spouting silly numbers like $40 and $60 and $100 (BJ, 1 Hr, Over Night). Then started begging me for a drink like the armless or legless do on the streets, then just said 'ten thousand for me, ok.' I finished up my 30k San Miguel and headed out.
JD[/QUOTE]
Is 31 at the end of HBT or it it 35?
[QUOTE=Adhome01]Is 31 at the end of HBT or it it 35?[/QUOTE]
I may be wrong with my numbers, not sure now that you ask. It was a seedy bar, very small, on HBT before Thien Loc which is on the corner, heading toward the river.
[QUOTE=Johndao]I may be wrong with my numbers, not sure now that you ask. It was a seedy bar, very small, on HBT before Thien Loc which is on the corner, heading toward the river.[/QUOTE]
I think that's 35. Bar 35 and 49 have the same management. I know they're having trouble getting girls to work in 35.
[QUOTE=Johndao]I may be wrong with my numbers, not sure now that you ask. It was a seedy bar, very small, on HBT before Thien Loc which is on the corner, heading toward the river.[/QUOTE]
If its the little bar in the middle of the block which has Thien Loc on the corner, that's definitely 35. I didn't realize that place had a tv. There actually is one looker in that place, or was a couple weeks ago when I was there. She used to work at Thien Loc, for a long time. But aside from her, the description is pretty accurate. This place rarely has anything great on offer. 91 is the class of this area.
Can't really compare prices to street girls -- it's a different scene. Here you pay for being able to sit in a downtown bar, have a line up to choose from (some places better than others, of course), chill out, have some drinks and get to 'know' the girl (and I don't mean finding out how many brothers and sisters she has). A lot of these places are a lot more 'comfortable' in an upstairs or back room. And you have a pretty good idea the girl you're with hasn't done 6 customers before you tonight. ;)
I'm not knocking the other choices, just pointing out some of the factors that come into it. Me, I like a bit of warmup hanky panky time before the deed. That doesn't happen with a lot of the other options available. You know, the girl actively trying to do whatever it takes to get you turned on. I'm not a big fan of the Suffragette City style. But that's me.
[QUOTE=Wendella]If its the little bar in the middle of the block which has Thien Loc on the corner, that's definitely 35. I didn't realize that place had a tv. There actually is one looker in that place, or was a couple weeks ago when I was there. She used to work at Thien Loc, for a long time. But aside from her, the description is pretty accurate. This place rarely has anything great on offer. 91 is the class of this area.
Can't really compare prices to street girls -- it's a different scene. Here you pay for being able to sit in a downtown bar, have a line up to choose from (some places better than others, of course), chill out, have some drinks and get to 'know' the girl (and I don't mean finding out how many brothers and sisters she has). A lot of these places are a lot more 'comfortable' in an upstairs or back room. And you have a pretty good idea the girl you're with hasn't done 6 customers before you tonight. ;)
I'm not knocking the other choices, just pointing out some of the factors that come into it. Me, I like a bit of warmup hanky panky time before the deed. That doesn't happen with a lot of the other options available. You know, the girl actively trying to do whatever it takes to get you turned on. I'm not a big fan of the Suffragette City style. But that's me.[/QUOTE]Having been told by wendella that I should check out the HBt bars I decided to check out 91. Definately some very cute and attractive girls there. On par with hostesses at the disco. We played pool for a few hrs. Got charged 2 lady drinks =100k and on offer was $60 ST or 100 Lt then add on 400k for bar fine. As my friends didn't take up the offer they tipped the girls 100k for their time. Which is comparable to a hostess fee at a night club only beers are 40k instead of 70k. Worth the visit if you just want a girl company. The ST rate of 1.5 mill total price is a bit expensive better to stay overnight.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken]Having been told by wendella that I should check out the HBt bars I decided to check out 91. Definately some very cute and attractive girls there. On par with hostesses at the disco. We played pool for a few hrs. Got charged 2 lady drinks =100k and on offer was $60 ST or 100 Lt then add on 400k for bar fine. As my friends didn't take up the offer they tipped the girls 100k for their time. Which is comparable to a hostess fee at a night club only beers are 40k instead of 70k. Worth the visit if you just want a girl company. The ST rate of 1.5 mill total price is a bit expensive better to stay overnight.[/QUOTE]
I wish i was that lucky! When i was there two months ago, and i saw a really cute girl "Tam" that i wanted to bar fine. All i got was a "can't go now" & a fake number.... I'm not ugly nor am i fat!! I was very polite to her, i even bought her & her friend drinks. I also tried going to the one 4 shops down & smiley. But the same thing happen!! I'm viet kieu, and lately i've found HCMC has really become more prejudice towards viet kieu. When "white guys" walk by the door, they are treated like Royalty!! Whereas i get a "what do you want?".
[QUOTE=Crazyazn]I wish i was that lucky! When i was there two months ago, and i saw a really cute girl "Tam" that i wanted to bar fine. All i got was a "can't go now" & a fake number.... I'm not ugly nor am i fat!! I was very polite to her, i even bought her & her friend drinks. I also tried going to the one 4 shops down & smiley. But the same thing happen!! I'm viet kieu, and lately i've found HCMC has really become more prejudice towards viet kieu. When "white guys" walk by the door, they are treated like Royalty!! Whereas i get a "what do you want?".[/QUOTE]Well honestly I don't know what is up with your story as I'm also viet kieu but I'm Chinese viet. The girl gave me her number and she offered a deal where she would come to my place so I didn't encounter any prejudice.
[quote=crazyazn]i wish i was that lucky! when i was there two months ago, and i saw a really cute girl "tam" that i wanted to bar fine. all i got was a "can't go now" & a fake number.... i'm not ugly nor am i fat!! i was very polite to her, i even bought her & her friend drinks. i also tried going to the one 4 shops down & smiley. but the same thing happen!! i'm viet kieu, and lately i've found hcmc has really become more prejudice towards viet kieu. when "white guys" walk by the door, they are treated like royalty!! whereas i get a "what do you want?".[/quote]
this all sounds very strange. someone posted awhile back about some rumor going around of some vk taking a girl out of some bar and then leading her into a gang [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] situation at the hotel -- but it was described as possibly just rumor. who knows. i know that bar in particular is especially popular with east asians (japanese, korean, taiwan, singapore) and so the girls are even friendlier with those than with whites. anyway, i tend to think you're jsut the victim of some overzealous profiling. and one more thing: one recent time i visited 91, i got a very cute girl who i picked out, she came upstairs with me (her idea) and then immediately sat on a separate stool a few feet away -- not exactly cozy. next visit, as soon as i spotted her, she made a frowny face -- in other words, i'm not her type. on other visits in the past i've gotten the opposite treatment from other girls. so i guess i'm saying, for myself it's case by case. luck. sometimes it's just beyond your control. go often enough and eventually you'll end up on the lucky side of the coin. also, since 91 tends to have the hottest/youngest girls, they also tend to be (in general) the most spoiled group of girls, and have (in general) worse attitudes and or are less likely to make things especially enjoyable there in the bar. for example, a great makeout session. and i keep saying "in general" because i've experienced some of the best attitudes and enjoyment in that bar as well. if you're really lucky, you'll go there and end up with the brand new, unspoiled very young inexperienced super hot girl who's a bit shy but also very eager to please. worth a visit, i say.
reading mutant's post -- in these bars, you're much more likely to enjoy your time in the bar more thoroughly, so to speak (see above), if you are alone and not with a group of buddies. inhibitions melt away when nobody's around to watch. about pricing -- it's possible to bargain them down a bit. 91 started doing 400k drinks fee this past year, it's always been 300 max until now. and other bars normally want just 300k. too bad you didn't get the 'warmup' time with your girl (it doesn't sound like you did) because that's the best feature of these places. i try to avoid the whole group of boys playing billiards thing. if i want to play billiards, i go play billiards. if i want to go grope a girl, i go do that. doing both at once is to do neither. but the main feature of these places is getting to pick a girl from a lineup of hotties, then having that girl do her best to get you going, knowing it's going to cost you just a few ladys' drinks plus her tip. i never give more than 200k tip for even the best long session with a girl there -- and if there's some place else in town that offers that sort of thing, i'd sure like to hear about it. but once you're at the point of having had your session, if you want you can take her out. you've already bought some of the drinks for her (probably around 3-4 if you've had a good time) so thats' just another 200k to take her out. and deduct her tip from the 1 mil st, since you need to tip her anyway, that's 800k then to go the rest of the way. total of 1 mil more, or a bit more than $50 us. so at that point, look at your girl and ask yourself if finishing this is worth $50 more to you. one thign i will say, these 91 girls do tend to be good once they're back at the hotel. showering together is pretty standard, for example. vastly better attitude than, say, the motorbike girls. (as i type that, i have had occassional excellent bike girls and duds from the hbt bars -- but in general, hbt bars much better).
[quote=crazyazn]i wish i was that lucky! when i was there two months ago, and i saw a really cute girl "tam" that i wanted to bar fine. all i got was a "can't go now" & a fake number. i'm not ugly nor am i fat! i was very polite to her, i even bought her & her friend drinks. i also tried going to the one 4 shops down & smiley. but the same thing happen! i'm viet kieu, and lately i've found hcmc has really become more prejudice towards viet kieu. when "white guys" walk by the door, they are treated like royalty! whereas i get a "what do you want? ".[/quote]i was feeling bored so i went to 91 hbt for a bit of fun, not necessarily for some sex. again plenty of hot girls. i chose a tam. could be the same one nice assets she had, 20 yrsa old. reckons she is saigonese and lives with parents, and her mom picks her up from work so can only go short time, didn't get much groping and she kinda turned sour when i tried to get a few kisses and a feel of what i was hgonna get. not sure how it works in otehr bars but no make out session for me. i suppose a session at ythe bar is only 150-200k for them, but if they get a st or 2 thats 1 mill each time so they not keen on long sessions in the bar as that not where the money is. but definately unless you lucky no make out or much sexual contact ie no hand up dress es unless you borderline [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. i tried also saigon ny and apple bar. not very attractive girls there.
[QUOTE=D Cups]Sorry to hear that, Kid. When I was there in March, Smiley's still had two good-looking D-cuppers - no silicon -(600k each) but perhaps they moved on. Has anyone seen any big boob girls in HCM lately? I'll be there again in March 2010.Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Smiley's now has a sister bar on Thi Sach around the corner and when it first opened most of the better lookers were sent there. Should have settled down by now.
[QUOTE=Crazyazn]I wish i was that lucky! When i was there two months ago, and i saw a really cute girl "Tam" that i wanted to bar fine. All i got was a "can't go now" & a fake number.... I'm not ugly nor am i fat!! I was very polite to her, i even bought her & her friend drinks. I also tried going to the one 4 shops down & smiley. But the same thing happen!! I'm viet kieu, and lately i've found HCMC has really become more prejudice towards viet kieu. When "white guys" walk by the door, they are treated like Royalty!! Whereas i get a "what do you want?".[/QUOTE]
I asked a few of the HBT girls I know about this issue. They said they are not allowed to service Viet Kieu (bar 91 & 35). They said this is mainly because of the police. They said the police cannot always tell the difference between a local Viet and Viet Kieu. They also said Viet Kieu have a tendency to cause trouble (whatever that means).
[QUOTE=Wendella]Vastly better attitude than, say, the motorbike girls. (as I type that, I have had occasional excellent bike girls and duds from the HBT bars -- but in general, HBT bars much better).[/QUOTE]
True, W, but in one case you are talking about 280k including hotel ST and in the other you are talking about 1.4million + hotel (1.7m at least). It's like observing that Lexus are usually more comfortable and less likely to break down than a Kia.
JD
[QUOTE=Adhome01]I asked a few of the HBT girls I know about this issue. They said they are not allowed to service Viet Kieu (bar 91 & 35). They said this is mainly because of the police. They said the police cannot always tell the difference between a local Viet and Viet Kieu. They also said Viet Kieu have a tendency to cause trouble (whatever that means).[/QUOTE]The simple reason why these girls don't really want to service Viet Kieus is because of economics. To the average VK 1.7mill for a ST thing is totally overpriced. A lot of the local clubs/bars that VK go to, there are girls readily available for 1mill. So when a VK goes to 91 or the likes and hears 1.7mill, they just laugh or try to haggle.
To the girls and owners, this is bad for business. That's why they don't really welcome Vk or even local VN for that matter. They'd rather stay in the business of overcharging farangs.
[QUOTE=D Cups]Sorry to hear that, Kid. When I was there in March, Smiley's still had two good-looking D-cuppers - no silicon -(600k each) but perhaps they moved on. Has anyone seen any big boob girls in HCM lately? I'll be there again in March 2010.Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, can I ask: 600k each for what type of service?
BJ?
ST?
LT?
Those prices don't seem possible for ST or LT at a place like that.
[QUOTE=Johndao]True, W, but in one case you are talking about 280k including hotel ST and in the other you are talking about 1.4million + hotel (1.7m at least). It's like observing that Lexus are usually more comfortable and less likely to break down than a Kia.
JD[/QUOTE]
True, JD. ;) I guess if you are the type who can do without for awhile between visits, might be better to opt for the high end. I'm that type. I have to say, I had plenty of miserable experiences with the low-enders -- when that happens it just feels like a total waste of money/time/effort, leaves me with a siht feeling afterwards. Have actually had some good ones, but just too few and far between -- and the sum overall total in the end is mosty that same feeling. For me at least. And I just can't get into it for the under-8's.
[quote=mutantchicken]i was feeling bored so i went to 91 hbt for a bit of fun, not necessarily for some sex. again plenty of hot girls. i chose a tam. could be the same one nice assets she had, 20 yrsa old. reckons she is saigonese and lives with parents, and her mom picks her up from work so can only go short time, didn't get much groping and she kinda turned sour when i tried to get a few kisses and a feel of what i was hgonna get. not sure how it works in otehr bars but no make out session for me. i suppose a session at ythe bar is only 150-200k for them, but if they get a st or 2 thats 1 mill each time so they not keen on long sessions in the bar as that not where the money is. but definately unless you lucky no make out or much sexual contact ie no hand up dress es unless you borderline [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. i tried also saigon ny and apple bar. not very attractive girls there.[/quote]
ugh, sorry, long post back to you on this just got devoured by my browser. later on that one, have to get some work done. much more is possible than what you got there. luck indeed. have to try to resist the temptation to label a place based on a bad experience (or vice versa) cuz eventually the opposite happens. anyway, more on that soon. my recent bar visits have been pretty stellar, i have to say. 91 and others.
[QUOTE=Mash Potatoes]The simple reason why these girls don't really want to service Viet Kieus is because of economics. To the average VK 1.7mill for a ST thing is totally overpriced. A lot of the local clubs/bars that VK go to, there are girls readily available for 1mill. So when a VK goes to 91 or the likes and hears 1.7mill, they just laugh or try to haggle.
To the girls and owners, this is bad for business. That's why they don't really welcome Vk or even local VN for that matter. They'd rather stay in the business of overcharging farangs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Adhome01]I asked a few of the HBT girls I know about this issue. They said they are not allowed to service Viet Kieu (bar 91 & 35). They said this is mainly because of the police. They said the police cannot always tell the difference between a local Viet and Viet Kieu. They also said Viet Kieu have a tendency to cause trouble (whatever that means).[/QUOTE]
I had a feeling it was something like that.... Two years ago i had No problem picking up any of girls there. Well now i just have to adjust my tactics and speak more english and less viet. And to think, i even started to question my good looks!!.... j/k Thanks everyone for there help and input!!
[QUOTE=Crazyazn]I had a feeling it was something like that. Two years ago I had No problem picking up any of girls there. Well now I just have to adjust my tactics and speak more english and less viet. And to think, I even started to question my good looks!. J/k Thanks everyone for there help and input! [/quote]me and a mate went the other night to 91 and bar 29 (on dong khoi) and were repeatedly told the place had 'no tables left'. We were like WTF and were pretty pissed when they let us in after an american friend showed up.
Apparently it is because they can't tell if we are real foreigners or undercover police. So I don't think its a prejudice thing, they're just covering their backs. Still, its wrong for them to do this and I'll never be going back to places that only cater to tourists as I know for sure the service level isn't going to be above average.
[QUOTE=Rokraida] I'll never be going back to places that only cater to tourists as I know for sure the service level isn't going to be above average.[/QUOTE]
Um. How can you know for sure? You said you didn't get let inside. I understand, your emotions are talking here. More venting than anything. Understandable though. I'd be pissed too.
Give this thing time to pass, it's a recent development and will fade away in time.
But a quick fact check: They don't cater to tourists, they cater to foreigners, big difference. Mainly expats and foreign businessmen, and tourists less so. As for service, well, I wish there were other spots with service as good, and if I heard of some I'd go there immediately. For a good balance of quality, reliability and convenience at a price that's not outrageous, these places are about the best in town.
[quote=crazyazn]i had a feeling it was something like that.... two years ago i had no problem picking up any of girls there. well now i just have to adjust my tactics and speak more english and less viet. and to think, i even started to question my good looks!!.... j/k thanks everyone for there help and input!![/quote]
heh heh. you could always say you're from hong kong and pretend not to understand vietnamese at all. ;) repeat after me: sin loy. ann kong* hyoo. dew yew speek inglish?
* pronounce as in king kong, not as in comb -- so they know you've only read it in a guide book. say everything real slow, one word at a time.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Um. How can you know for sure? You said you didn't get let inside. I understand, your emotions are talking here. More venting than anything. Understandable though. I'd be pissed too.
Give this thing time to pass, it's a recent development and will fade away in time.
But a quick fact check: They don't cater to tourists, they cater to foreigners, big difference. Mainly expats and foreign businessmen, and tourists less so. As for service, well, I wish there were other spots with service as good, and if I heard of some I'd go there immediately. For a good balance of quality, reliability and convenience at a price that's not outrageous, these places are about the best in town.[/QUOTE]We did get let inside eventually and I pressed the manager why this was the case originally, one excuse was 'the door guy is new, he doesnt know what's going on'.
My post was to warn viets that this is whats going on, they can do whatever they want with the info.
As for places that cater to foreigners only, I thought it was fairly obvios to avoid these places. Its my judgement that places that dont cater to the domestic market, will always be more expensive, without the corresponding increase in quality. Mainly because they know they can charge those prices and because some foreigners will not be so picky about the price difference between a few 100K. This is the reason I'm on this forum, to find places where the locals go, and arent ripped off for the same quality.
Anyways, one night of exploreing and I now know how these places operate and wont be coming back. Why spend 1 million on a ST and Bar fine and drinks, when you can go to a club in D5, D3 and get the same for a LT.
These places do have some benefits, but I can't argue that they're not expensive. You win that one hands down.
I'm much too busy (work) to post anything long right now, but will in future if you did want to hear more. Whether it's obvious to avoid them, well if you dont' want to go to expensive places then yes. Totally. If you do want to splurge a bit and have everything-in-one-place with a quality lineup to choose from, then these are ok for that. I at least haven't found something similar elsewhere in HCM at a comparable price. And there's places way more expensive than these.
Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about what you found in D5 and D3, and how it works there.
Actually, maybe I'll post a description of a good HBT experience so we can compare notes. What do you think?
(but must catch up on my work first)
Went to Smiley's last week. It's been a while but my friend was in town and I decided to stop by and boy the talent there was not very good at all. Geez, it was quite. Bad. Before I walked in I saw this older looking gal in her mid to late 30s dressed in a business suit walk in. When I got into the bar, she had changed into a short dress and looked like an old middle aged women in a dress too short for her. It just didn't work. The other girls there looked older or too bored, and what the heck happened to all the free cleavage show? Guess many of those girls are gone now.
[QUOTE=Dawg415]Went to Smiley's last week. [/QUOTE]
I've never gotten what the appeal of that place is. Haven't seen a looker in that place in....
...ok I think I've never seen a looker in that place. Just never ever gets fresh talent.
[QUOTE=Wendella]These places do have some benefits, but I can't argue that they're not expensive. You win that one hands down.
I'm much too busy (work) to post anything long right now, but will in future if you did want to hear more. Whether it's obvious to avoid them, well if you dont' want to go to expensive places then yes. Totally. If you do want to splurge a bit and have everything-in-one-place with a quality lineup to choose from, then these are ok for that. I at least haven't found something similar elsewhere in HCM at a comparable price. And there's places way more expensive than these.
Anyway, I'd be interested to hear more about what you found in D5 and D3, and how it works there.
Actually, maybe I'll post a description of a good HBT experience so we can compare notes. What do you think?
(but must catch up on my work first)[/QUOTE]
I am also interested to hear about places in D5 and D3.
[QUOTE=Dawg415]Went to Smiley's last week. It's been a while but my friend was in town and I decided to stop by and boy the talent there was not very good at all. Geez, it was quite. Bad. Before I walked in I saw this older looking gal in her mid to late 30s dressed in a business suit walk in. When I got into the bar, she had changed into a short dress and looked like an old middle aged women in a dress too short for her. It just didn't work. The other girls there looked older or too bored, and what the heck happened to all the free cleavage show? Guess many of those girls are gone now.[/QUOTE]
Smileys has another bar now around the corner on Thi Sach and the younger fresher ones seem to have gone there. I hate going into Smileys and seeing the same old hags and the same hag as before wants to claim you as her own.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]I am also interested to hear about places in D5 and D3.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't hold my breath. I think Rokraida just came in here to quickly lodge his complaint, post a vague and very dubious tease-report, and then take off. But let's face it, we already know there's nothing like those places in D5 or D3.
I won't say that every trip to a HBT bar is going to result in paradise, but it sure will sometimes. And I don't know any other place in HCM that does. Rokraida seems to be gone, but the challenge stands: if anyone knows of a place in HCM that can compare in quality/service to these bars, please do share. Mr R didn't get to enjoy what those places offer, so he has no way to compare. But I strongly doubt he found anything in D5/D3 that are in the same category.
If you're the type who's going to balk at paying a 100K tip, or worry about paying for two or three 50K lady drinks, you probably shouldn't go. If you consider the standard price should be what you'd pay at a cafe om or to a motorbike girl, and more than that is a ripoff, then don't go to these places. On the other hand, if you're the type who can go with the flow (see above), enjoy being alone with a pretty young girl who'll let you take things further and further, and want the options of in-house (usually BJ only--but not always) or takeaway on the menu whenever you want, these places fit the bill.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I won't say that every trip to a HBT bar is going to result in paradise, but it sure will sometimes. And I don't know any other place in HCM that does. Rokraida seems to be gone, but the challenge stands: if anyone knows of a place in HCM that can compare in quality/service to these bars, please do share.
Both parties have their points of view. It just comes down to what 'mood' you're in. There is no denying that if you are willing to spend about 1.5mill on an evening's out entertainment bill, then either one of the HBT bars or a Bar/Club/discotheque in D5 would ensure very similar results.
However, the HBT bars are a different set up in that it's a 'chat' bar, get to know, touchy and then strike a deal type places. (no doubt following the BKK & Manila kind of establishments). So if you're not in the mood to dance and parade around at a disco, then this is the place for you.
The Discotheques are loud, brash and tiring. You need to be in a more upbet mood and pace. Go in buy a few drinks, get eye contact and seal the deal. But these places are very loud and to some, uncomfortable.
So it really depends on the individual.
I agree, you would be pretty hard pressed to find establishments like the HBT ones' in D5/D3, that operate in 'exactly' the same method. There are however, a lot of local bars/restaurants that have low dressed waitresses to talk to and strike bargains with.
Went to a KTV joint in District 5 (or what I understood it to be) taken by friends who are living in the city since few months.
The place is in a 6 storey building known as Jade Hotel, hosting also a foot massage (?) at the ground floor. The location is run by a taiwanese.
We go up to the 5th floor and greeted by the manager who shows us our room: well lit (maybe dimmed later? ehmm no!), full glass see-through door (bad sign), usual couches and low tables set up. Drinks are brought in and quickly a young and nice looking mama-san steps on. She looks quite young, seemed more one of the possible hostesses if not for the dress, the radio and the firm standing attitude of someone knowing her business. A flow of some 20 girls, all in the range of 7 to 9, evening dresses quite revelaing their curves.
Some had clearly enhanced breasts but nice to see.
A few speak english too and I pick up one with nice attitude, great C cups with no bra (the thin dress revealed that), 28yo named Phuang.
The evening flows as any 'normal' KTV: singing and drinking, playing dices. Bit of flirting from the girl, easy to touch, she is teasing a bit and reveals she does not like big dicks as she is tight down there, informing she is nrealy fully shaved. Definetely trying to raise the interest for something more, ie coming along to the hotel for some real fun. I could play a bit with her tits and body, light kissess, and appreciate the dental floss g-string she worn
I know my hotel seems to be a 'red' on this after 9pm, so I apologize, show deep interest but...no chance. Hoping she suggested we could use the 6th floor hotel room. No signal, bad signal. I tried a couple of times to make he runderstand that if onloy a room was available.... useless.
I did not want to push the issue with my friends as they are also business partners and collegues.
They did not seem also interested to take any back as is rather comoplaicte at their end.
At appr 11pm the girls excuse themselves as they have tochange into "plain clothes" (the rule is that by 11 the dress normal as at midnight all closes). "My girl" asks me to wait for her (why should I go away?). When she comes back, still nice looking even in plain clothes, my friends are settling the bill and she asks me to tip her. With no local cash and not willing to be fooled (usually it is p4p, not p4nothing!) I tell her my friends will take care of her. She looks sad and says; they do not pay much! ah ah Now I know why she told me to wait for her! hoping I was an ATM. She takaes the miney from my host, a light kiss and off she goes: mission (her) not fully acomplished (not grabbed money from the foreigner), no reason to stay longer.
Whatr would have happened if I took her back to the hotel (supposingly it 'd be green?)..ehmm another of those viets experiences I had not long ago in KL and Singapore, where a ST is nearly take the money and run?
On the other hand I have to say she was pretty fluent in eglish, a good evening partner, no complaint.
This ends my short HCMC first experience.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I wouldn't hold my breath. I think Rokraida just came in here to quickly lodge his complaint, post a vague and very dubious tease-report, and then take off. But let's face it, we already know there's nothing like those places in D5 or D3.
I won't say that every trip to a HBT bar is going to result in paradise, but it sure will sometimes. And I don't know any other place in HCM that does. Rokraida seems to be gone, but the challenge stands: if anyone knows of a place in HCM that can compare in quality/service to these bars, please do share. Mr R didn't get to enjoy what those places offer, so he has no way to compare. But I strongly doubt he found anything in D5/D3 that are in the same category.
If you're the type who's going to balk at paying a 100K tip, or worry about paying for two or three 50K lady drinks, you probably shouldn't go. If you consider the standard price should be what you'd pay at a cafe om or to a motorbike girl, and more than that is a ripoff, then don't go to these places. On the other hand, if you're the type who can go with the flow (see above), enjoy being alone with a pretty young girl who'll let you take things further and further, and want the options of in-house (usually BJ only--but not always) or takeaway on the menu whenever you want, these places fit the bill.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I dont visit these forums everyday. Good thing you didnt hold your breath as I dont know of places like the HBT bars in D5 or D3.
What I was referring to was getting either same quality for less or better quality for the same price. I am mainly referring to girls in small bars/clubs in D5, D3 and Tan Phu. They dont work the same as the HBT bars. Clubs like '4 in 1', Club 2000, Ozone, and clubs in the 'fire' street in Tan Phu.
Yes, you are right the HBT bars are no frills, come in, see what is on offer and take what you want. Its great if you dont have time and want something right away.
I didnt come on to lodge a complaint as you suggested. I came on to inform other viets of the situation of the HBT bars. It was the first time I went and I posted my observations. Sorry if my original post seemed like a complaint.
Another point re the HBT bars, they seem to me like tiring, seedy places. The girls look like hardened prostitues who know how to squeeze every little bit out of you. They also have the 'abused sex slave' look - a real turnoff. But again, only my observation. Others may think otherwise.
[QUOTE=Mash Potatoes]
There are however, a lot of local bars/restaurants that have low dressed waitresses to talk to and strike bargains with.[/QUOTE]
On a good night at some of these bars, you can get just about anything right there in the bar, no need to barfine. Touch anywhere. Grope to your heart's content. Makeout session with her top totally off. Sucking the breasts. This is what I'm talking about. I think some bia oms will allow you to advance this far too, not sure. Haven't experienced it first hand. And most of these bars have on-premises action a step further at around 500-700K, and a couple have the full 2 steps further (800K or more), if you know what I mean. You have to keep at it a bit til you find the right one who'll do all this -- so a bit of luck involved. But when it's good, it's [i]really[/i] good. So if you're focused solely on FS back at your hotel, well, that's just one aspect of these places. As far as I can tell, they provide this other aspect I'm talking about that no other type of venue does. And it's one really nice aspect. Keep in mind, if you have a session like this there at the bar, you only need to pay for the drinks tab plus a tip to the girl. For a top notch session like that, I might tip 150-250k. For one that's ok but leaves me not blown away, 100-150k depending how good it was. For a disappointment (just talk, nothing touchy, girl standoffish or unappealing), probably 50k-80k.
For the sake of it I went down to #91.
Out of the 15 or so girls on shift that night, I'd rate a good 10 of them for looks. The quality was much better than other bars. The bar itself has been cleaned up a bit since I was last there, a little bit less 'dirty' if that's possible.
Sat down and immediately one girl came up. Didn't like so another one took her place. Wasn't too keen either so she offered to line all the girls up. Settle for Ms Diao.
Kinda lively girl about 5ft with over proportioned silicon breasts for her size. Did the usual chat, bida and beer thing. After a while settled on the ST rate, then of to the mini.
Wasn't really a firecracker in the sack more like a sparkly stick, quick to light then fizzles out. The damage was as per standard rates.
What I have to mention about these places is that they seem to have a lot of girls pass through them. And I wonder how these girls pick up the english skills if they've just 'arrived' in HCMC?. But all in all, most of the girls looked a little bored and were stuck there doing their jobs.
I would guess that you'd need to be a regular to know the 'fresh' young one's that are probably more willing. The girl I chose had been there for a year, so the jaded feeling was creeping into it.
As past members have pointed out, these places are not for everyone and every budget. It's a once per month 'slurge' thing which probably best suit a day when you've had the shits at work, and just want to down some beer and a girl. The convenience is there.
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[QUOTE=Wendella]On a good night at some of these bars, you can get just about anything right there in the bar, no need to barfine. Touch anywhere. Grope to your heart's content. Makeout session with her top totally off. Sucking the breasts. This is what I'm talking about. I think some bia oms will allow you to advance this far too, not sure. Haven't experienced it first hand. And most of these bars have on-premises action a step further at around 500-700K, and a couple have the full 2 steps further (800K or more), if you know what I mean. You have to keep at it a bit til you find the right one who'll do all this. So a bit of luck involved. But when it's good, it's [I]really[/I] good. So if you're focused solely on FS back at your hotel, well, that's just one aspect of these places. As far as I can tell, they provide this other aspect I'm talking about that no other type of venue does. And it's one really nice aspect. Keep in mind, if you have a session like this there at the bar, you only need to pay for the drinks tab plus a tip to the girl. For a top notch session like that, I might tip 150-250k. For one that's ok but leaves me not blown away, 100-150k depending how good it was. For a disappointment (just talk, nothing touchy, girl standoffish or unappealing), probably 50k-80k.[/QUOTE]wendella, you answered your question your self. Bia om in q3 and d5 are a better option than hbt bars. Then only decent bar with attractive girls are those found in bar 91. And like rokraida said, they all seem hardened. Maybe I'm not so forceful, but I can't see how I can get anything more than a few peck like kisses, maybe if I went there more frequently, but with a see through class window, and not much privacy can't seee how the girls would be willing to go further, my impression is that the girls use the time in the bar to score a st at 60 bucks each, and if they get the feeling you are not going down that path, they ice up.
My experience is that the HBT bars are a bit more hit and miss than Wendella seems to be saying. I have never had anything nice happen in 35 and usually in 91 I take my selection upstairs for some strip pool.
I actually find the selection at Coco (new Smiley bar) to be better and the pool tables are better. I agree that the stock at Smiley's is getting a bit tired.
If I am in the mood to buy I will often go to Bar 29 and ask the mama for something fresh and new. Same with mama at NY Saigon.
A while back JD mentioned a place on the corner at the river end of Dong Khoi across from the Majestic. There is a simple coffee shop by day but last night I noticed shutters were up and neon lights advertising a place called "Pink" with a few cuties hanging about. Anyone know what gives here?
I did not go in because I was walking back to my hotel with a gal I met at the rooftop bar at the Majestic (pre-arranged) and I did not want her or me to get distracted.
OK I'm definitely with you guys as far as these places being hit and miss in terms of how far you can go. If you just go in and out, chances are you're not going to get the best that can be hoped for. The way it works is you have to make the rounds every once in awhile until you finally find the right one (looks + willingness). I'll say that in the past year I had a new girl, very cute and young, at 35 who took me straight upstairs for the topless makeout session on a mat. It was a very pleasant surprise. It does happen. Next time I went back she was gone. :( I had a similar exp with a superhottie at Quan Nho a few months back. Downstairs she had her butt pressed in to my little mister and would wiggle it back and forth... next we went upstairs and had lots more freedom up there... makeout w top down. Very very nice. One of the best girls all time (guaranteed long makeout session, totally free groping range, gorgeous girl) was at 91 but that was a few yrs ago. Overall 91 tends to be the coolest (most standoffish) in terms of how far the girls will go there-- but there's often exceptions. Often enough to keep me visiting. One of last times there got a new tall girl who took me upstairs, we made out and did body-to-body grind, basically humping while clothed, with my hands down the back of her panties inside... so... thats how far I get sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I've also gone there and sat on a stool a few feet away just finding out how many brothers and sisters the girl had -- she wouldn't go further than that. Hit and miss, definitely. Much more likely to hit at another place (if it's attitude you're after) than 91, but 91 has the lookers.
But what I mean about D5 and D3 -- is it poss to get these kinds of experiences in any places there? (I doubt it) I mean sure yes you can find cheaper ST and LT anywhere. But I wonder about where you can get stuff like this.
Suds, I NEVER see new ones any more in 29. You're lucky if you can. Not doubting you, just saying they're not there any time I go. Let's see... you get a call and get to meet them when they're new... and then they're gone forever never to be seen again. Some connection there? ;)
(teasing!)
[QUOTE=Wendella]But what I mean about D5 and D3 -- is it poss to get these kinds of experiences in any places there? (I doubt it) I mean sure yes you can find cheaper ST and LT anywhere. But I wonder about where you can get stuff like this.
(teasing!)[/QUOTE]Bia oms/karaoke provide exactly that. Grope as much as you like, some kiss, some let your fingers wander to the right place, some give BBBJ's.
I am considering a trip to VN and will probably stay in HCMC. Anyway, I've never been and I appreciate all of the posts. Good, helpful information.
It sounds pretty cheap to monger as well as to eat and drink. I'll be sure to post my results if/when I go.
Thanks!
OK I'm listening, guys. Maybe you're right. But "Bia oms in D5 and D3" is a bit vague as info sharing. Are there some that have an especially good lineup to pick from -- where you'd see about 20 there, most of them quite nice? But most important, there's dozens of these places -- and I'm sure some are better than others. And I have no idea whether any measure up in quality to 91. But mainly, to just say "bia oms in D5" is a bit general... too vague.
There's also the issue of the typical bia om scenario -- the opening of beers, the serving of fruit/candy/etc., all the people you have to tip... which if you're going solo, ends up being more (maybe much more) than the 300 or so you'd spend for a good session at 91, where I have 1 or at most 2 beers, she with her 3-4 lady drinks. Only tip her. Nothing gets opened.
[QUOTE=Wendella]OK I'm listening, guys. Maybe you're right. But "Bia oms in D5 and D3" is a bit vague as info sharing. Are there some that have an especially good lineup to pick from. Where you'd see about 20 there, most of them quite nice? But most important, there's dozens of these places. And I'm sure some are better than others. And I have no idea whether any measure up in quality to 91. But mainly, to just say "bia oms in D5" is a bit general. Too vague.[/QUOTE]Mate, I love your attitude. In that case, go to Fortune Karaoke on 700 Tran Hung Dao. Its mainly for foreigners, which is right up your alley.
(the internet really needs a sarcasm font)
[QUOTE=Rokraida]Mate, I love your attitude. In that case, go to Fortune Karaoke on 700 Tran Hung Dao. Its mainly for foreigners, which is right up your alley.
(the internet really needs a sarcasm font)[/QUOTE]
Heh heh. Likewise. Sorry for earlier negative comments, btw. After so many days of no reply I got the wrong idea. Anyway, ok I haven't been to that one yet. I have heard of it, and know some who have gone. I have gone to some more for-locals bia oms with [SARCASM]fantastic[/SARCASM] results. I hate that whole beer guzzle game they pull. No honestly it wasn't [i]bad[/i], but it didn't quite satifsy or give me the feeling that it might. But I haven't given it a fair enough shot, honestly, just a few very mediocre experiences. Anyway, Fortune... got it. Thanks. Seriously, though, we need to build a list of places outside D1. Fortune's a good start. I posted a list of the HBT's months ago... maybe will repost it (updated).
this is a round up of the girly bars down in the hai ba trung / le thanh ton area. i tried to do a stars rating (***) for each. if you have any updates or comments, pm or post those here. the stars are just my own opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt. everybody has their own taste. like i know sudsoz is a fan of coco and saigon ny, where i'm don't go to those 2 much.
hai ba trung area
thien loc, 23 hai ba trung. corner bar, billiard table. a few girls. very dark bar, which translates to the girls usually being willing to get quite frisky in the dark corners of the place. **
35 hai ba trung. small with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above in quality. a balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better. **
49 hai ba trung. fairly large bar, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35. **
51 hai ba trung. a bit smaller than 49. better than average selection and quality (more so than 49, imo). this one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. they also have 2 pool tables, one in back and another on balcony level. ***
91 hai ba trung. this bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger, taller -- hotter. it is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. ****
saigon ny -- small bar near the corner of dong du and hai ba trung, actually off hbt street. it's very friendly there, and girls are slightly below average (imo) in general. they're less pushy and usually more human than most of the bars though -- some girls wear ao dais. there's a pool table upstairs. **
apple bar -- across the street from saigon ny on dong du just near corner of hbt. small place and avg girls, from what i could see. *
dong khoi area
cafe 29 is at 29 dong khoi on the last block before the majestic hotel (near river). it has 2 levels and lots of girls, but in terms of looks they're usually nothing special. it is the one bar of all of them that offers the most in terms of customer service. there are couches upstairs and also a little private room in the back. **1/2
49 dong khoi is a depressing little bar way in the back and upstairs after walking down a long hallway. the girls are really not very pretty in this one. if this place has a positive attribute, i sure couldn't figure out what it was. " " (0 stars)
thai van lung area
smiley bar -- thai van lung street at intersection of cao ba quat (down street from where vasco's used to be). big bar, selection is slightly below average. upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. things get much more entertaining upstairs. my beef with this place is that it hasn't had a new girl in about 3 yrs, or so it seems. ones here seem to be a bit older than in most places. **
going up thai van lung, after you cross le thanh ton, there are 2 more bars:
the first one is called just "3" now. small bar, selection usually below average. " " (0 stars) (this one may have had its date with a wreckling ball recently -- looked permanently closed last time i passed -- not sure -- update needed)
on thai van lung near the corner of ly tu truong, at the top of the "hill" is a bar called chot nho. selection and quality here is usually below average. pool table and sofas in back. terrible layout, really hard to get a look at the girls, it's like they're hiding.*
coco bar is nearby on thi sach street, one parallel street over from thai van lung (at opposite end of the street apocalypse is located on). between a couple of japanese bars. seems average, smaller place. *1/2
le thanh ton
quan nho is a very small bar with just a few girls. sofas upstairs to spend time with your girl. tho few, girls here tend to be a step up, and the place is more expensive than most (beers 50,000 for ex) ***
bin bin is next, just across the alley. this bar has second most and second prettiest after 91. quality of the girls here is quite good, sometimes excellent. it has more floors upstairs for further entertainment. ***
tia to is a few doors up ltt street. small bar but with a few floors of japanese tables (sit on floor) or else one with 2 billiard tables and stools. things can get quite fun at this one. quite fun indeed. **1/2
i'd say the best of these bars (in terms of likelihood of finding a stunning girl) includes #49, #51 and especially #91 on hbt, and also bin bin on ltt. middle tier would be the smiley bar, tia to, quan nho, thien loc on hbt and maybe saigon ny. the rest are in the lower tier. they're usually disappointing with the very occassional surprise. 29 can sometimes make up for its shortcomings in other ways, but these days would probably have to go in the bottom tier in terms of looks/age. the bars on thai van lung, i wouldn't even bother with at this point. they're not even trying to get a good selection of girls in those places. one thing i'll say, the bars that don't get as many hot girls tend to be the wildest ones, and they do occasionally get hot girls. so you strike it lucky when that happens. one of the hottest girls at 91 used to work at cali (moved, renamed apple) for example. it's always worth taking a peek in to see what they have.
these places are great if you want to just go out by yourself and hope to hook up with a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without distractions. can have fun there or else more fun at your hotel. different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. some actually let you go as far as you want, right there. you can also visit these places with a group, and you can get a private room in many.
about prices, i always get beer in these places, and if so the price is 30,000 for the beer (sometimes 25,000 in some) and 50,000 for the 'lady drink'. (exception: quan nho charges more) she'll keep asking for more when she finishes one, that's standard. to take a girl out, you have to buy her around 6 drinks first (poss to bargain a bit), which can be just put on the bill even if they aren't actually drank -- its a barfine really. girls tend to ask for 1m for st these days, but can be bargained down to as low as 800. if they try to charge more for drinks, tell them you were just here last week and paid just 50,000 for lady drinks, or 30k for a beer. usually bartender will play it safe and back down to the real price. these places might attempt to charge more sometimes, i think due to getting lots of businessmen on expense accounts (japanese/koreans especially). if you insist on the correct price, they will eventually agree. speaking a bit of vietnamese would help too, but not really necessary. by speaking vietnamese, you just try to show you're an expat and not a tourist.
if you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality varies, day to day even. what's a great bar one week can decline quickly. also, if you get there late or right after a group of customers has arrived together, the pickings may be slim. everything fluctuates. every time you think you have it figured out, the unexpected happens. that's how these places are.
any questions, pm me. comments: post here or pm, as they say in the bars "up to you"
There appear to be lots of reports in D1 the Hai Ba Trung / Le Thanh Ton areas. All kind of bars with girls where the prices for either a ST or a drink for the girl are just astronomical.
Having been in HCMC myself just a short while, I would highly recommend GO2GO or the CRAZY BUFFALO in the "Pham Ngu Lau" (D1) area from 5pm onwards (every taxi driver in town knows PNL).
Have a nice drink, comfortable seats outside, watch girls passing by and not being hasseled at all. Loads of freelancers parading the roads, that are more then willing to sit down with you, having a softdrink or a beer for the same price as you bought your drink, having a casual chat with you for as long as you like and if you're up for it, take them home / hotel for 300 500K max.
There is no rush, they, both, "the Crackers as well as the Slappers" like to please you and do not mind to try multiple positions or your try-out your fantasies.
[QUOTE=Aardappel]There appear to be lots of reports in D1 the Hai Ba Trung / Le Thanh Ton areas. All kind of bars with girls where the prices for either a ST or a drink for the girl are just astronomical..[/QUOTE]
One man's astronomical is another man's economical. If you like places on De Tham, go for it. All these places have their advantages and disadvantages. The world ain't black and white, especially this part of it. I agree tho that anyone who thinks 50,000 for a lady drink or 100,000 for a tip are unreasonable, the HBT bars are not for you. There's cheaper options around. There's certain nice features you might miss out on in those other places, but almost any place has its good points that might make up for it. Me, I don't dig the wham-bam-thank-you-mam style of a lot of the cheaper options, or else the non-sexiness (dresses, makeup, etc.) or overall prettiness factor of the girls (the cheaper you go, the fewer hotties per capita). I guess if you put in some time you can locate better ones in those areas. But that's a precious commodity for me at least: time. So for me the higher prices are counteracted by the convenience and promise of quality.
After my last business meeting in HCMC, a visit at Tien Loc at 6 pm: I am the only customer, plenty of girls, some of them of decent appearance including an old acquaintance, Tui. Petite with a firm body. She joins me for a drink at the bar, together with one of her friends. Ladydrink 50, 000 the or 2 EUR. Plenty of cuddling, kissing. DFK. Groping, laughter and chatting. All this to put you in the right mood. They invite me for a threesome at a nearby mini-hotel, but I decline. An hour and 6 lady drinks later (for the princely sum of 12 EUR) I invite Tui to join me at my nearby Hotel Riverside Renaissance for a 2 hour encounter. Barfine now the 350.000. And 1. 3 mil for Tui.
She registers at reception and leaves at the 9 pm time limit for visitors to the room. In all a very enjoyable 3 hours.
Just spent 5 days in HCMC. As an HCMC novice, I stuck to D1. I can confirm that bar 93 on HBT street has the best girls (in fact it was the ONLY bar I found with nice looking girls). Asking price was US$70 for the girl (or VND1M), $20 for the bar, $20 for the mini hotel, for ST. This is more than I was paying the previous week for those real stunners in Nana Plaza, and the girls in HCMC didn't come close to that quality, so I declined. As is the way of things, the girls in bar 93 didn't allow touching in the bar; the less attractive women in other bars (bars 35, 49, 51 and the rest) would have done, but I didn't fancy any of them. I like Vietnam, the food is great, it's generally cheaper for most things than Thailand, and I love listening to the girls speak (that language, it's great!). But for p4p, as most other people on this forum have said, stick to Thailand or the P.I.
[QUOTE=Yiddo]I can confirm that bar 93 on HBT street has the best girls (in fact it was the ONLY bar I found with nice looking girls). Asking price was US$70 for the girl (or VND1M), $20 for the bar, $20 for the mini hotel, for ST. This is more than I was paying the previous week for those real stunners in Nana Plaza, and the girls in HCMC didn't come close to that quality, so I declined. I like Vietnam, the food is great, it's generally cheaper for most things than Thailand, and I love listening to the girls speak (that language, it's great!). But for p4p, as most other people on this forum have said, stick to Thailand or the P.I.[/QUOTE]
Good observations Yiddo. No need to break the price down, they do that for you to make everything seem cheaper, many guys do it as well so as to convince themselves that they did not spend too much. $110 is the price they wanted from you. Not a newbie (Viet Newbie) mongers paradise for sure. But if you are patient and give it some time, it's all here and much cheaper than that. Those places are tourist traps and every city has them whether for food or gems or souvenirs or girls, it's to be expected. Beyond being tourist traps however, they do serve a greater purpose and not just for the high profits their masters can earn. They help to reduce crime and hassles for visitors as Vietnam is full of touts and scammers looking to take advantage of the unwise or uninitiated. So although a visitor may pay his $110, he can avoid touts and potential serious trouble and that is good all around.
[QUOTE=Johndao]$110 is the price they wanted from you. Not a newbie (Viet Newbie) mongers paradise for sure. [/QUOTE]
Actually, if they asked for 1M VND, that's not $70 but about $53 (which cmon now, you do know). You can take the girl to your own hotel instead. Negotiate her fee a bit down from that opening asking price of 1M (you probly can get it to 8 or 900,000VND), and also see if you can get them to knock off a lady drink or 2. Usually they will. By the way, I've never heard more than 6 lady drinks asked for as the fee -- so that's 300,000 (not $20US), which is just $16. So as long as you've booked at a GF hotel, you're really talking about something closer to $60, or $70 max. Total.
Keep in mind, the cheap prices you get in the other kinds of venues, the same applies there where you need to 'know' the real price and bargain, and if you don't they'll try to charge you a higher foreigner/tourist price there too. Same goes here. So it's not a fair comparison to say it's $110 or whatever in HBT bars, based on the price a tourist gets offered as the obviously inflated price, and say that it's so much cheaper at the other places, quoting what you get as a veteran.
And of course there's another angle to be played at the HBT bars, which is to get their phone number and arrange a visit in their off hours -- then their price will be lower (as low as 500,000 -- and I have heard from someone recently that this is what he paid a girl who works at 91 bar, which is the same bar this guy was just talking about -- and she was one of the hottest ones there too). If you do it this way, there's no lady drinks or anything else to pay for. 500,000 is $26. I wouldn't claim that's the standard going rate for this way -- but I think 7 to 800,000 this way wouldn't be tough to set up.
In the end, yes the cheap places are cheaper than HBT spots, but not as much cheaper as the ones who rail against them make it out to be.
Anyway, it's fine and cool that you prefer the cheaper places and promote them. But I don't think there's any need to make the HBT bars sound more expensive than they really are by inflating their numbers, or pretending that the opening price quoted to a newbie tourist is what the real going rate is.
as someone who lives in spain - an eu expensive country - i am surprised as to the cost of p4p in vietnam.
i am looking to spend a few weeks somewhere hot this winter, but reading the reports, the cost of girls for such a low cost country is staggering to me.
for a gfe here in marbella, malaga in the south of spain, with a very pretty girl - maybe a tasty young latina, chinese or thai, i pay 30 euro for half an hour in house fs; one or two pops. all night is expensive at around 250 or 300 euro. recently i have paid 20 euro for 20 mins bbj and even 10 euro for a fondle and hj.
the place i go gives a free drink too.
naturally you can pay more, but in the recession that would be silly.
you can check out the prices at classified ads at sur.es (spanish) and surinenglish.com (english) to prove that i am not exagerating.
i thought that i would have to pay 30 euro (approx 44 us or 800.000dong) or so for the night, but it seems, with a bar fine, at least double that is normal. am i reading it right?
so, if any of you boys want to holiday here, let me know and i will show you around. cheaper fare and cheaper girls for you usofaers.; and everybody speaks your language!
[QUOTE=Wendella]Actually, if they asked for 1M VND, that's not $70 but about $53 (which cmon now, you do know).
Anyway, it's fine and cool that you prefer the cheaper places and promote them. But I don't think there's any need to make the HBT bars sound more expensive than they really are by inflating their numbers, or pretending that the opening price quoted to a newbie tourist is what the real going rate is.[/QUOTE]
I think the girl asked him for $70 and Yiddo miscalculated that as 1 million Dong.
On the rare occasion I have been in one or two of these bars recently, I spoke only in Vietnamese to the girls indicating I know my way around, and they told me $60 ST, $100 LT, $20 to the bar. I know it gets cheaper but I don't bargain sex prices.
I don't negotiate prices for sex. It ruins it for me. I go someplace where I know the price and then I pay it. I just hate the "how much" thing and totally avoid it.
SW get 200k usually unless exceptionally cute and then up to 300k.
Older ones get 100-150k.
BBBJ CIM gets 100k in D1 and DBP, 50k-60k in D7 except some nicer shops on NTT get 100k. Plus 50k to 100k to the house, that is their fixed price.
FSMP get 400k usually and sometimes 500k for nicer service, better looks, etc., never discussed beforehand.
I never ask any of these prices in advance. In FSMP and Hot Toc BJ there is never a need to mention price beforehand. On the street ALWAYS say how much you will give them before going off to the hotel and make it clear, pay them that after the act.
Wendella, I am willing to accept your argument that for savvy locals willing to discuss and negotiate prices with girls at HBT bars, the prices will be lower than that for newbies and tourists.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao]I think the girl asked him for $70 and Yiddo miscalculated that as 1 million Dong.[/quote]
Maybe. It wouldnt' surprise me.
[QUOTE=Johndao]On the rare occasion I have been in one or two of these bars recently, I spoke only in Vietnamese to the girls indicating I know my way around, and they told me $60 ST, $100 LT, $20 to the bar. I know it gets cheaper but I don't bargain sex prices.
I don't negotiate prices for sex. It ruins it for me. I go someplace where I know the price and then I pay it. I just hate the "how much" thing and totally avoid it.
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Unfortunately it's necessary at some places -- such as these higher end ones. Or FL in discos.
[quote]SW get 200k usually unless exceptionally cute and then up to 300k.
Older ones get 100-150k.
BBBJ CIM gets 100k in D1 and DBP, 50k-60k in D7 except some nicer shops on NTT get 100k. Plus 50k to 100k to the house, that is their fixed price.[/quote]
But in these places, don't you just pay those prices without discussing? If a new guy showed up explicitly asking how them much it was (Rookie Mistake #1), they wouldn't try to inflate the price?
I'll say this, even when I was brand new here, I had done a little bit of research to realize that I needed to bargain them down a bit, and yes also to know what the real going rates were. And if you're in a totally new type of place (like say, a bia om in Bien Hoa) you just don't know what the price is, so what to do then.
[QUOTE=Spanish Main]As someone who lives in Spain - an EU expensive country - I am surprised as to the cost of P4P in Vietnam.
I am looking to spend a few weeks somewhere hot this winter, but reading the reports, the cost of girls for such a low cost country is staggering to me.
For a GFE here in Marbella, Malaga in the south of Spain, with a very pretty girl - maybe a tasty young Latina, Chinese or Thai, I pay 30 euro for half an hour in house FS; one or two pops. All night is expensive at around 250 or 300 euro. Recently I have paid 20 euro for 20 mins BBJ and even 10 euro for a fondle and HJ...[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of one of my previous posts:
[QUOTE=raverboy]
Gentlemen,
Interesting topic here but before this discussion spirals out of control, allow me to share my simple albeit crude theory on this. Let's call it Raverboy's Basic P4P Economic Theory, which states:
The 'market' rate for P4P in a particular city/country/region should be a function of the average income/salary for that particular city/country/region, expatriate salaries excluded.
Allow me to demonstrate examples based on my past experience and estimates:
Average income in the US: USD 45,000 / year = USD 3,750 / month
Average ST FS outcall (say 1 hr): USD 250
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250/3750 = 0.067 or 6.7%
Average income in Singapore: SGD 2,500 / month
Average ST in Geylang (non-brothel Thai FL): SGD 50
P4P Index (P4PI) = 50/3000 = 0.02 or 2.0%
Average income in Thailand: THB 12,000 / month
Average ST from a Sukhumvit SW: THB 1000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 1000/12000 = 0.083 or 8.3%
Average income in Indonesia: IDR 1,500,000 / month
Average ST from a Kota Brothel WL: IDR 250,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 250000/1500000 = 0.167 or 16.7%
Average income in Vietnam: VND 2,500,000 / month
Average ST with a motobike girl in D5: VND 200,000
P4P Index (P4PI) = 200000/2500000 = 0.08 or 8.0%
Surprising, huh? So perhaps we're overpaying in Thailand and Vietnam, but then again with most of us being expatriate foreigners and all... a ST for us is far far less than the 8% of income for the average Thai or average Viet. We don't feel what the above results would lead us to believe... but IMHO interesting to look at it this way nevertheless.
[size=1]Either that, or I'd try my damndest at getting an expatriate package to live in Singapore![/size][/QUOTE]
So we can add to that, thanks to Spanish Main:
Average income in Spain: EUR 25,000/year = EUR 2,083 / month
Average ST in Marbella, Malaga: EUR 30
P4P Index (P4PI) = 30/2083 = 0.014 or 1.4%
Not bad!
You also have to factor that US incomes have a lot more discretionary wages. That fuels our economy either through savings or consumer spending. In SE Asia, at the income levels you mentioned, there is no room for extra savings or buying things at the mall, etc. When mongers pay at the higher rate, the ladies probably use it to buy clothes, cosmetics, help a family member, etc.
It's well documented, that Phillipines GDP is enhanced to a great degree by cash remittances, courtesy of mainly mongers. Given that, there is no incentive for their government to seek to control sex workers.
[QUOTE=Tomasb]You also have to factor that US incomes have a lot more discretionary wages. That fuels our economy either through savings or consumer spending. In SE Asia, at the income levels you mentioned, there is no room for extra savings or buying things at the mall, etc. When mongers pay at the higher rate, the ladies probably use it to buy clothes, cosmetics, help a family member, etc.
It's well documented, that Phillipines GDP is enhanced to a great degree by cash remittances, courtesy of mainly mongers. Given that, there is no incentive for their government to seek to control sex workers.[/QUOTE]
Yes, which leads to a greater spread for the 'average income' for the US. For each example, I'm just using what I think is the median figure, expatriate salaries excluded. I'm hoping to arrive at a comparative scale between the countries from the point of view of the average local joe. Of course, I'm just presenting a crude theory.
[b][size=1]... I'm no Economist, really.[/size][/b]
Average income in Spain: EUR 25,000/year = EUR 2,083 / month
Average ST in Marbella, Malaga: EUR 30
P4P Index (P4PI) = 30/2083 = 0.014 or 1.4%
The results is good but Raverboy, you probably overestimated the average income in Spain, it will be closer to 1000€/month..Anyway it's still a good score of 2,8%!
Anyone seen Tien (money) lately? She was working at Bar 35 but haven't seen her for a while.
[QUOTE=Johndao] But if you are patient and give it some time, it's all here and much cheaper than that. .[/QUOTE]
How much time and how much cheaper?
[QUOTE=D Cups]Thanks for your kind offer, senor:) Does Spain have any busty beauties? :)[/QUOTE]
you kidding?
In Spain, girls are born with D's
[quote=spanish main]as someone who lives in spain - an eu expensive country - i am surprised as to the cost of p4p in vietnam.
i am looking to spend a few weeks somewhere hot this winter, but reading the reports, the cost of girls for such a low cost country is staggering to me.
for a gfe here in marbella, malaga in the south of spain, with a very pretty girl - maybe a tasty young latina, chinese or thai, i pay 30 euro for half an hour in house fs; one or two pops. all night is expensive at around 250 or 300 euro. recently i have paid 20 euro for 20 mins bbj and even 10 euro for a fondle and hj.
the place i go gives a free drink too.
naturally you can pay more, but in the recession that would be silly.
you can check out the prices at classified ads at sur.es (spanish) and surinenglish.com (english) to prove that i am not exagerating.
i thought that i would have to pay 30 euro (approx 44 us or 800.000dong) or so for the night, but it seems, with a bar fine, at least double that is normal. am i reading it right?
so, if any of you boys want to holiday here, let me know and i will show you around. cheaper fare and cheaper girls for you usofaers.; and everybody speaks your language![/quote]in china, bbs girls are $15 usd for st or $20 usd, but there are idiots that pay $50 usd. vietnam is a more deperate country than china, so you have got to be fucking retarded to pay $50 or $70 usd for st. where am i going wrong here? that is, totally agreed with this spaniard, why the hell do you pay more for girls in asia than in europe or us? guys, we need to think a little less with our peckers here please.
Did anyone notice that there are a good number of cafe oms in Hoc Mon district (particularly the highway street)?
I was on my way back from Cambodia and observed the above while on the bus.
Anyone can comment on this?
Also can someone comment on the "light color" coding scheme for hot tocs and cafes? (e. g., pink =?, blue =?)
[QUOTE=Apple Banana]Did anyone notice that there are a good number of cafe oms in Hoc Mon district (particularly the highway street)?
I was on my way back from Cambodia and observed the above while on the bus.
Anyone can comment on this?
Also can someone comment on the "light color" coding scheme for hot tocs and cafes? (e. g., pink =?, blue =?)[/QUOTE]
My main comment is that I also spotted those places recently from my bus on the way to Phnom Penh from HCMC. As for the color coding, the secret is this: whichever fluorescent lights were cheaper at the market that day they went shopping, that's the color they choose. I guess it could be some knida code but I've never heard of it. Doubt it.
[QUOTE=D Cups]I guess everyone is celebrating New Year's and no one is getting laid?[/QUOTE]
Yes and No. ;)
[QUOTE=Apple Banana]
Also can someone comment on the "light color" coding scheme for hot tocs and cafes? (e. g., pink =?, blue =?)[/QUOTE]
Pink is for girls and blue is for boys?
[quote=wendella]this is a round up of the girly bars down in the hai ba trung / le thanh ton area. i tried to do a stars rating (***) for each. if you have any updates or comments, pm or post those here. the stars are just my own opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt. everybody has their own taste. like i know sudsoz is a fan of coco and saigon ny, where i'm don't go to those 2 much.
hai ba trung area
thien loc, 23 hai ba trung. corner bar, billiard table. a few girls. very dark bar, which translates to the girls usually being willing to get quite frisky in the dark corners of the place. **
35 hai ba trung. small with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above in quality. a balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better. **
49 hai ba trung. fairly large bar, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35. **
51 hai ba trung. a bit smaller than 49. better than average selection and quality (more so than 49, imo). this one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. they also have 2 pool tables, one in back and another on balcony level. ***
91 hai ba trung. this bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger, taller. hotter. it is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. ****
saigon ny. small bar near the corner of dong du and hai ba trung, actually off hbt street. it's very friendly there, and girls are slightly below average (imo) in general. they're less pushy and usually more human than most of the bars though. some girls wear ao dais. there's a pool table upstairs. **
apple bar. across the street from saigon ny on dong du just near corner of hbt. small place and avg girls, from what i could c. *
dong khoi area
cafe 29 is at 29 dong khoi on the last block before the majestic hotel (near river). it has 2 levels and lots of girls, but in terms of looks they're usually nothing special. it is the one bar of all of them that offers the most in terms of customer service. there are couches upstairs and also a little private room in the back. **1/2
49 dong khoi is a depressing little bar way in the back and upstairs after walking down a long hallway. the girls are really not very pretty in this one. if this place has a positive attribute, i sure couldn't figure out what it was. " " (0 stars)
thai van lung area
smiley bar. thai van lung street at intersection of cao ba quat (down street from where vasco's used to be). big bar, selection is slightly below average. upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. things get much more entertaining upstairs. my beef with this place is that it hasn't had a new girl in about 3 yrs, or so it seems. ones here seem to be a bit older than in most places. **
going up thai van lung, after you cross le thanh ton, there are 2 more bars:
the first one is called just "3" now. small bar, selection usually below average. " " (0 stars) (this one may have had its date with a wreckling ball recently. looked permanently closed last time i passed. not sure. update needed)
on thai van lung near the corner of ly tu truong, at the top of the "hill" is a bar called chot nho. selection and quality here is usually below average. pool table and sofas in back. terrible layout, really hard to get a look at the girls, it's like they're hiding. *
coco bar is nearby on thi sach street, one parallel street over from thai van lung (at opposite end of the street apocalypse is located on). between a couple of japanese bars. seems average, smaller place. *1/2
le thanh ton
quan nho is a very small bar with just a few girls. sofas upstairs to spend time with your girl. tho few, girls here tend to be a step up, and the place is more expensive than most (beers 50, 000 for ex) ***
bin bin is next, just across the alley. this bar has second most and second prettiest after 91. quality of the girls here is quite good, sometimes excellent. it has more floors upstairs for further entertainment. ***
tia to is a few doors up ltt street. small bar but with a few floors of japanese tables (sit on floor) or else one with 2 billiard tables and stools. things can get quite fun at this one. quite fun indeed. **1/2
i'd say the best of these bars (in terms of likelihood of finding a stunning girl) includes #49, #51 and especially #91 on hbt, and also bin bin on ltt. middle tier would be the smiley bar, tia to, quan nho, thien loc on hbt and maybe saigon ny. the rest are in the lower tier. they're usually disappointing with the very occassional surprise. 29 can sometimes make up for its shortcomings in other ways, but these days would probably have to go in the bottom tier in terms of looks/age. the bars on thai van lung, i wouldn't even bother with at this point. they're not even trying to get a good selection of girls in those places. one thing i'll say, the bars that don't get as many hot girls tend to be the wildest ones, and they do occasionally get hot girls. so you strike it lucky when that happens. one of the hottest girls at 91 used to work at cali (moved, renamed apple) for example. it's always worth taking a peek in to see what they have.
these places are great if you want to just go out by yourself and hope to hook up with a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without distractions. can have fun there or else more fun at your hotel. different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. some actually let you go as far as you want, right there. you can also visit these places with a group, and you can get a private room in many.
about prices, i always get beer in these places, and if so the price is 30, 000 for the beer (sometimes 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for the 'lady drink'. (exception: quan nho charges more) she'll keep asking for more when she finishes one, that's standard. to take a girl out, you have to buy her around 6 drinks first (poss to bargain a bit), which can be just put on the bill even if they aren't actually drank. its a barfine really. girls tend to ask for 1m for st these days, but can be bargained down to as low as 800. if they try to charge more for drinks, tell them you were just here last week and paid just 50, 000 for lady drinks, or 30k for a beer. usually bartender will play it safe and back down to the real price. these places might attempt to charge more sometimes, i think due to getting lots of businessmen on expense accounts (japanese/koreans especially). if you insist on the correct price, they will eventually agree. speaking a bit of vietnamese would help too, but not really necessary. by speaking vietnamese, you just try to show you're an expat and not a tourist.
if you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality varies, day to day even. what's a great bar one week can decline quickly. also, if you get there late or right after a group of customers has arrived together, the pickings may be slim. everything fluctuates. every time you think you have it figured out, the unexpected happens. that's how these places are.
any questions, pm me. comments: post here or pm, as they say in the bars "up to you"[/quote]went to couple of hbt bars last nite. due to his star ratings, went to the bars at 91 and 51 hai ba trung (4 and 3 stars). the rating was right on. the girls were decent; overall better than the smiley bar i hit last year.
at 91 hbt, my tiger beer was 30k dong and the ladies drink was 50k dong. they said the room was just like the room downstairs; needed to pay the bar fine to take the girl out. just stayed for a quick beer. gave 100k dong for bar tab; female bartender didn't return change (i normally give small tip, but ask for entire change back due to her attitude). attempted to give $2 as tip to the girl (i did grab her butt), but she got insulted and demanded 100k dong as tip. left without leaving anything due to the bad service.
at 51 hbt, the tiger was 30k dong and the ladies drink was 50k dong. the bartender placed a small cup with peanuts and gum; didn't eat anything. when i paid 100k dong, he didn't give change; he said 20k dong for the peanuts; i said no and asked for change back. girl said bj was available in the pool table room. attempted to give $2 tip to the girl; she also got insulted and asked for 100k dong tip. left without leaving any tip due to the bad service.
at one of the bars (can't remember which one), the first offer was 400k dong for bar fine, and the girl wanted $60.
i wanted to have a beer, scope out the places, and come back for one of 'them. but their attitude turned me off. i will wait for angeles. cebu pacific was decent prices from saigon to manila.
but note that the girls were decent in those bars. they are better than the girls that hang out around pham nu lao who are asking between 500k and 700k dong.
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[QUOTE=GreenBud]Went to couple of HBT bars last nite. Due to his star ratings, went to the bars at 91 and 51 Hai Ba Trung (4 and 3 stars). The rating was right on. The girls were decent; overall better than the Smiley bar I hit last year.
At 91 HBT, my tiger beer was 30K dong and the ladies drink was 50K dong. They said the room was just like the room downstairs; needed to pay the bar fine to take the girl out. Just stayed for a quick beer. Gave 100K dong for bar tab; female bartender didn't return change (I normally give small tip, but ask for entire change back due to her attitude). Attempted to give $2 as tip to the girl (I did grab her butt), but she got insulted and demanded 100K dong as tip. Left without leaving anything due to the bad service.
At 51 HBT, the tiger was 30K dong and the ladies drink was 50K dong. The bartender placed a small cup with peanuts and gum; didn't eat anything. When I paid 100K dong, he didn't give change; he said 20K dong for the peanuts; I said no and asked for change back. Girl said BJ was available in the pool table room. Attempted to give $2 tip to the girl; she also got insulted and asked for 100K dong tip. Left without leaving any tip due to the bad service.
At one of the bars (can't remember which one), the FIRST offer was 400K dong for bar fine, and the girl wanted $60.
I wanted to have a beer, scope out the places, and come back for one of 'them. But their attitude turned me off. I will wait for Angeles. Cebu Pacific was decent prices from Saigon to Manila.
But note that the girls were decent in those bars. They are better than the girls that hang out around Pham Nu Lao who are asking between 500K and 700K dong.
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Great report which perfectly captures the essence of the Vietnam sex scene for visitors. Cold, uncaring, unscrupulous people looking to cheat you, scam you, beg money from you in every way at every turn. Yes, on to PI and Thailand for real fun!
JD
[QUOTE=GreenBud]Went to couple of HBT bars last nite. [/QUOTE]
Thanks for the compliment, and great report on yoru part. Just some comments: the tip you gave was toward the low end for what they normally get in those places -- for just a bit of grope, probly 50-80,000 more like it--their pay is the tips. Oh and about the candy/nuts -- when they put it out, you just tell whoever put it there that you don't want that, and they will take it back.
I know JD strongly dislikes these places, and we've discussed it and agreed to disagree so far -- I actually do like them because even though they are expensive, they are great for the groping game, which the cheaper spots in VN are really lousy at. Basically if you stay there and grope to your heart's content, with the right girl you can go just about as far as you can imagine minus of course the full deed (making out, fondling anywhere, etc), right there in the bar (have to find a quiet secluded spot) and it would probably cost you total around 300,000 (including tip). So if you're the type who gets into that portion of the festivities (like me) then this is the best bet in town for it. Can get same in bia oms but probably going to cost you more than that overall, and much much harder to control costs in that setting--bia oms prob most aggressive of any type of venue out there in terms of pushing extras and padding bills. You can pick up the cheaper girls around town, and JD's a strong advocate of that, but for those the payoff is gonna be the full deed itself and the gropy part is usually gonna be pretty crap or they'll even refuse to do it. Also you can compare the outfits: HBT bars have really sexy miniskirts and lowcut tops. The cheap girls wear jeans and a top, maybe even a jacket on top. As soon as you get in a room the clothes get whipped off in less than a minute. There's no drama in it, no buildup. To quote teh great David Bowie: Wham bam thankyou ma'am. Fiinally, there's the level of looks. Now I do partake of the JD scene too, so I can compare, probably better than he can since he avoids the HBT bars. But a place like 91, just about every girl in the place is hotter than anything you're likely to find at one of the motorbike pickup spots for example (or cafe oms or whatever). As said, there [b]is[/b] the aggressive nature of trying to pad bills, get extra payment, but that's in all the scenes here. You have to learn to control it, and I can easily control the HBT bars' attempts at that, and I'm sure JD's excellent at controlling his scenes.
Anyway, that's my take in a nutshell. This is what's here. Definitely better in other countries, you get no argument from me there. Thailand of course. Even Cambodia. Dunno PI, haven't been there.
But for what is available here, well, JD rails against the HBT bars... me, I like them. He and I have different preferences -- in the kinds of girls we go for and in what we like to do with them. To me, I think these are all just different options that are out there, and I'm in favor of more options rather than fewer. The wider you spread your net, the more girls you will be choosing from, and in the end I think that will be more interesting than just focusing on a smaller segment.
in my roundup report, there were a few places included that no longer exist.
those are "tia to "and "3".
the bar called 3 was actually total crap and not worth a visit. in its entire existence i only ever saw one cute girl there on one night, and i wasn't able to stay that night so went back a few nights later and she'd already stopped working there. this was a bottom rung place from start to finish.
tia to on the other hand was excellent. for a long time it was devoid of anything special, just a smallish bar with a small collection of very ordinary looking girls. then suddenly it got some serious cuties. one was a tall thin modesque type girl, the kind you glimpse and just go omg. took her upstairs and immediately found out that attitude was excellent. what i also found out on that occassion, by accident -- well i asked her how much was it to go with her, and she said you mean hotel... or here? (this she asked hesitantly) and i zoomed in on that one and said... uh ok how much for here? 800,000 she said. i have no idea what this going to be, so i just go for it. she goes downstairs, comes back up and leads me up to the top floor which has those low japanese tables on straw mats. and that's it. sure enough we got down to business and it was indeed ft that was available on the premises. this is not common. actually in years before this it was only u2 bar (now 29) that offered this on premises. it was pretty uncomfortable, i have to say, the straw does a number on your knees.
ok so i ended up taking this girl out quite a few times to the comfort of my room, and she was top notch, possibly the best i've had in hcmc. (very gf experience -- loving bj's, warm embrace, showering together, she was fine with photos, everything) eventually she left that bar, and i got caught up in other things and wasn't able to see her again after that. she seems to be gone from the scene now, after a stint at 91 next. her phone # doesn't work anymore. too bad.
so... that's not the whole story. one time when i was there with my tall thin girl, i spotted another hottie there, this one with a kind of china doll haircut, quite thin with those very sexy sharp thin shoulders, gorgeous middle section, great shape. but it was verboten since my #1 girl was there. anyway, then... my girl left. so i stopped in one night to "look for her" (ok i knew she worked at 91 by this time) and took girl #2 instead. upstairs in teh pool room, she was even more excellent out of the box than #1 had been. making out within about 10 minutes on our first beer. hands everywhere, up her tiny skirt and inside that strapless top which i think was just a thin semi-transparent headscarf wrapped around and tied in front to be a strapless bikini-type top. dude. sexy. it was like, omg, now that is hot. and her miniskirt was also tiny and pulled down low, shakira style. (i'm getting hard just picturing it) (ok bowie again: my little china girl, you shoudln't mess with me, i'll ruin everything you are) well, after a half hr or so of getting me extremely excited, she then got around to asking me if i wanted to go to a hotel... i wasn't sure if #1's earlier offer was a one time deal, and i was thinking i was so hot for this right now that i'd rather not go to a hotel, but move on more quickly right here. so i asked her "can here?" and she hesitated, then agreed. upstairs we went. this time inspiration struck though. already realizing the terror of those straw mats digging into my knees and palms, i got the idea to put her on top of the japanese table, which had a lamp hanging donw from teh ceiling jsut above it. so i'm sitting on teh floor, and this girl is lying on her back on teh table in this super sexy outfit, with a kind of spotlight on her (and me in the dark nearby). she was like my feast in front of me. and i slowly started rubbing and touching every part of her, slowly unpeeling her clothes, then fnally digging in to devour her, my little dish. for anyone who goes for this foreplay part, on a scale of 1 to 10, this was 10. best ever. finally, she moved over to the floor for us to move to the next stage, but she took out some fabric and spread it on teh floor, knowing already about the straw mat issue, so that made this part a lot more enjoyable than it was with #1 up there. (also, turning on the ac was key -- upstairs was way too hot otherwise, ended up soaked in sweat by the end with #1)
so its months later now. #1 and #2 have both disappeared from the scene by now. sorry. and so has tia to now. the evening i rode by and saw that place shuttered up was a sad one. sure enough it got gutted a few days later and eventually turned into a japanese restaurant. some great great moments in that one. what a loss.
Sudsoz (or anyone else), are there any bars that are NOT in my list? I actually have Coco on there, I see. Any others? I have to say, I quickly visited the one at the end of Thi Sach (where it meets Ly Tu Truong) and that place is unbelievably horrible. Those girls should not be in this line of work. Very rough. That place is beyond hope now. Years ago it got a few cuties from time to time, and was one of the main spots. No more. Nevermore.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Thanks for the compliment, and great report on yoru part.
But for what is available here, well, JD rails against the HBT bars... me, I like them. He and I have different preferences -- in the kinds of girls we go for and in what we like to do with them. To me, I think these are all just different options that are out there, and I'm in favor of more options rather than fewer. The wider you spread your net, the more girls you will be choosing from, and in the end I think that will be more interesting than just focusing on a smaller segment.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, and thanks very much for your survey. I've tried 1 on those place on HBT before, and will hang out more on other visits.
Much appreciated!
[QUOTE=Wendella]Basically if you stay there and grope to your heart's content, with the right girl you can go just about as far as you can imagine minus of course the full deed (making out, fondling anywhere, etc), right there in the bar (have to find a quiet secluded spot) and it would probably cost you total around 300,000 (including tip). So if you're the type who gets into that portion of the festivities (like me) then this is the best bet in town for it.
Anyway, that's my take in a nutshell. This is what's here. Definitely better in other countries, you get no argument from me there. Thailand of course. Even Cambodia. Dunno PI, haven't been there.[/QUOTE]If you like the groping scene of the HBT bars, then I would highly recommend Angeles.
I prefer the go-go bars of Angeles rather than Thailand because in Angeles, when you buy the girl a drink, she stops dancing. In Thailand after you buy her a drink, she has to go dance for half an hour during her shift, unless you pay her barfine.
In Angeles after you buy the girl a drink, all will allow their butts to be touched. Most will allow breast touching. Some will allow real fondling. Some will allow fondling, but will say I'm shy or In the hotel room. The percentages depends on which bar it is.
The prices are different. I have some money, but I travel on a medium size budget. Is the 300K dong including your drinks? Is that price for you or for all newbies?
I like to have 6 beers at 6 bars. In Angeles it will be 100-150 pesos x 6 + maybe 50 pesos x 6 (after 10 minutes some will ask for another drink, but I say I would rather tip you 50 pesos after I finish my beer in 5 minutes). Hence the entertainment charge will be between $13. $24.
In the HBT bars, it will be 300K dong x 6 = $80+. It sucks not to be a millionaire!
Some answers/comments from me.
Saigon NY - I use this one to provide takeout for any visitors to town since I have always found the quality and attitude of the gals to be pretty consistent. Sometimes I drop in and buy mama a drink just to stay in touch. There are at least 2 floors upstairs with billiard tables but not much happens in the bar.
Coco and Smiley - Both of these have at least 3 floors of tables and private rooms upstairs and the premises are pretty clean. At Smiley there are a couple of gals who always want to claim me and at Coco I can choose. I use these places for some play whilst waiting for a date to turn up.
On Thursday I was in Coco about 6.30 pm and selected Trung with nice natural tits and a backless tight dress. Over the billiard table the panties got dropped and the dress was off the shoulders and she was doing her best to distract my every shot in addition to the handjob between shots. Good fun but I doubt if would take her out because she was a bit too willing and not as natural as I like.
At 8.30 that night a young lady by the name of Nga from the Vung Tau golf club drinks stop came over to stay. Very plain but gorgeous body and enthusiastic in bed. She now has a factory job in Saigon and thinks that $150 per month is good money so I give her nothing more than VND200k for taxi money so as not to spoil her. And there are plenty more in the pond like her.
[quote=greenbud]
in the hbt bars, it will be 300k dong x 6 = $80+. it sucks not to be a millionaire![/quote]
are you mad? no no no no no. clearly some miscommunication happening here. 300k total. it is 30,000 for your beer (brand doesn't matter they charge same for all). it's 50,000 for her 'lady drink' (a very special traditional cocktail native to ho chi minh city whose exact recipe is kept secret but i think i cracked it by peering over the bar when i wasn't meant to and noticed as it was being made: it's a dark brown sort of bubbly liquid that they cleverly keep in a coca-cola bottle). so in one sitting, i'll have at most 2 beers. the girl typically will have 2 or 3 lady drinks. you reject any nuts or candy that arrive at your table (with a confident smile -- the smile crucial, the rejecting is). the rest is tip to the girl. i don't usually tip the bar tender or waiter or anyone, if i did it would be about 10,000 - 20,000. for the girl, depends on how much she put into it. 100,000 is a good 'standard' -- if they perform well above expectations, i have been known to go as high as 200,000 (which makes the statement: i definitely wanna have some more of that again--i love you-- marry me) but a decent session probably more like 150,000. these days 150,000 is just under $7 us. so its not exactly lifestyles of the rich and famous.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]
I like to have 6 beers at 6 bars. ... In the HBT bars, it will be 300K dong x 6 = $80+. It sucks not to be a millionaire![/QUOTE]
Oh ok I see. You're a butterfly boy. Well, you really would want 6 different makeout-grope sessions with 6 different girls in one evening? What are you, Hugh Hefner? Me, I could see 2*... but after that, seems pretty over the top.
[s]* ok I have seen 2[/s]
[QUOTE=Wendella]Oh ok I see. You're a butterfly boy. Well, you really would want 6 different makeout-grope sessions with 6 different girls in one evening?[/QUOTE]YES!
Wouldn't most guys reading this board want to fondle 6 different girls a night?
[QUOTE=GreenBud]YES!
Wouldn't most guys reading this board want to fondle 6 different girls a night?[/QUOTE]
Maybe. Well, after about 2 my desire starts to turn into a need -- a need to take it up to the next level.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]
Wouldn't most guys reading this board want to fondle 6 different girls a night?[/QUOTE]
Speaking for myself I'd rather bang girls than sit in a bar/room and just fondle.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]Speaking for myself I'd rather bang girls than sit in a bar/room and just fondle.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you Mik. Sitting in a bar with a wh*re in cheap clothes, buying her 2 or 3 worthless drinks at 50k Dong each, feeling her body in a public place and her returning the favor, then giving her 100k 'tip' for that is about the last thing in the world I want to do (with a girl). Even the thought of it turns me off. But I do of course understand that others like this and I am totally accepting of the 'different strokes for different folks' maxim.
I like to get a girl naked, clean, in a room, alone. I admire her and rub her body and she rubs mine. We suck and fuck. It feels good. If I picked her up off the street it is usually more a 'wham bam thank you ma'am' affair at 200k. Not always, there are surprises. If I am at FS Massage the girls are prettier and younger and very into GFE. I tip them 400k or 500k depending and 100k more to the house. It's a good time and a good value.
At a bar I would pay nearly the same for groping which is worthless to me. If I wanted something more, and I would, it's at least 500k for an upstairs BJ or 800k more ST. I agree many of the girls are attractive but it is some of the worst value in VN and indeed in all of SE Asia except Singapore.
JD
I hear ya. Both of ya. (and it sounds like you're hearing me too) And you know of course I like to "give my thanks" too, not just fondle. Expensive, agreed. But here's the thing: when I go to those cheaper spots (motorbikes, SW, cafe oms) I just do not often spot ones who make me WANT to "thank" them. I'm too picky. If I go to 91, it's almost certain I'll see at least something worth expressing my gratitude to. Plus yeah, I'm into fonding. If I go back to a room, I want to do some of that, and... the SW and motorbike girls are usually against it, get annoyed with it. Total turnoff. So yeah, if there were more hot girls in that scene, and they were more open to the kinds of things I like to do, I'd be way more into it of course. But... such a high % of disappointment when I go that route, most times I go check out those scenes it's just a quick run thru and I realize there's nothing there I'm interested in, so I leave.
Just thought of one more turnoff for me: the skanky hotel rooms they take you to. And the cafe oms are usually pretty grubby. If a guy can feel ok in those places, that's all teh better for him, but for me it douses the mood. Much prefer to enjoy the experience in a comfortable AC room on a real bed with clean sheets, a shower that has hot water, etc etc. Maybe watch some tv afterwards.
Yeah but with the HBT bars, as I head over there I feel like it's 80/20 I'm gonna get some satisfaction. If I head to XVNT street, for example, I feel like it's 1 out of 10 or something I'll spot something worth pursuing.
Btw I have not checked out the place you referred to where you tip 500K -- and I do know where you mean, and we shd probably only share those details by PM (a lot of people want us to be discreet with that info). Maybe that's the cheaper alternative for a guy like me. I really should go check that out. Procrastinating.
Different guys - different strokes. Same guy - different day - different stroke.
Variety is the spice of life.
But I do prefer to bed them all night in my bed.
[QUOTE=Wendella]
Just thought of one more turnoff for me: the skanky hotel rooms they take you to.[/QUOTE]
Never go to a hotel that a girl takes you to. Especially a girl that you met on the street. Always have your place or places pre-selected. On the street they will tell you it is 100k for the room and then go to a place where it is 40k. Skanky. In the bars they will tell you the room is $20 and then take you to a place where it is actually $10. Not so skanky.
JD
Went to couple of bars several days ago.
Cafe 29 (29 Dong Khoi): Only several girls present. Girls were yucky. Had half a beer and left; maybe the cuter girls were upstairs.
Smiley Bar (Thai Van Lung Street): Ordered a beer (40K dong). 2 ladies drink (at 50k dong a piece). Remembered why I don't like the hostess bars and massage parlors in Vietnam; if you don't agree to their price, they never shut the fuck up! As I left, I offered them 50K dong. If they were going to give me any lip, I was going to leave without tipping. But then they said thank you. Darn. I wanted to save some money. LOL!
I've been traveling to SE Asia every year for the past 10 years. I prefer other countries. But I come to Vietnam for a change of pace. I do not come to Vietnam for the local girls.
I like to fondle and drink. And of course I partake later in the night (if I'm not too drunk).
[QUOTE=GreenBud]
Cafe 29 (29 Dong Khoi)
Smiley Bar (Thai Van Lung Street)[/QUOTE]
Sorry these are 2 bars that can be real duds. 29 for the reason you mention: it only seems to ever have 1 or at most 2 young cuties, and half the time that one isn't there or available (like you said, maybe upstairs, maybe taken out, maybe just not working tonight)... if you are lucky and a cute one is there, it can really be something. But if not, then you get to peruse the ones who have been retired from other bars, the long in the tooth set.
Smiley is similar actually... except that that bar just seems to NEVER get any new girls any more. I guess they decided they're gonna stick with this bunch til they all die. Sorry if that's harsh but I've stopped in there probably 10 times in the last 2-3 yrs, and have not seen one new girl working there in all that time.
Did you read my roundup of these places before heading out? It needs an update but is mostly still correct.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Did you read my roundup of these places before heading out? It needs an update but is mostly still correct.[/QUOTE]Yes I did read your roundup. It is a VERY GOOD report; I liked your star ratings. That's where I got the addresses to give to the taxi driver.
I just wrote about my experiences on that particular night.
[QUOTE=GreenBud]Yes I did read your roundup. It is a VERY GOOD report; I liked your star ratings. That's where I got the addresses to give to the taxi driver.
I just wrote about my experiences on that particular night.[/QUOTE]
Ah gotcha. I guess Smiley can be ok if you're in from out of town and don't realize that the girls there haven't changed in forever. But it still doesn't measure up in the looks/youth category to the HBT bars.
29 (and when it was U2) has never matched up except for a few brief glory days when it suddenly got an influx of young cuties from the Mekong. But those girls never lasted too long there. If you're lucky and show up on a night when a new cutie is working, it can be the best though. If she's cute, you can be sure she won't be working there too long. Enjoy while you can.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Ah gotcha. I guess Smiley can be ok if you're in from out of town and don't realize that the girls there haven't changed in forever. But it still doesn't measure up in the looks/youth category to the HBT bars.
29 (and when it was U2) has never matched up except for a few brief glory days when it suddenly got an influx of young cuties from the Mekong. But those girls never lasted too long there. If you're lucky and show up on a night when a new cutie is working, it can be the best though. If she's cute, you can be sure she won't be working there too long. Enjoy while you can.[/QUOTE]
The thing about Smiley is that if you have been there before you are considered 'allocated' and it then becomes a devil of a job to get the new gals out so that you can make a fresh selection. I do think they have some fresh cattle but they hide out back!
Bar 29 has limited new stock and like W says the newbies never seem to last too long. But I have met some cuties there and kept on doing them after they had left the bar for a regular job. My SOP is to walk in and order a drink and then ask mama for the new ones.
[QUOTE=Johndao] I agree many of the girls are attractive but it is some of the worst value in VN and indeed in all of SE Asia except Singapore.
JD[/QUOTE]
Ha,
Hey, why pick on poor Singapore? Have to agree it may not be the overall best value in SEA but it's often not bad for the money. Most of the legal brothels (and let me day it again--it is Legal =gov't sanctioned=no worries about being arrested or fined etc, just the opposite of Viet.=where it's forbidden) in some areas of Singapore are not bad for the value and often the ladies there are very GF. And finally, everything is FS and not just the HJ or BJ that you will often expect to find in Viet.
From my experiences.
Shark
I almost hate to report this one.
Walking down Mac Thi Buoi street the other night, as I was walking on the part just near Black Cat restaurant, I caught sight of a cutie in short shorts standing on the street and got about 5 paces past when I realized some guy had just called out to me to come in for just one beer just one beer. Well, I turned around and headed back, and the place was down a long narrow alley... I was ushered in by a few girls at once. Got there and short shorts wasn't in the mix, she was still outside. OK, I thought, I'll wait it out. I mean she definitely was part of the welcoming committee out streetside. And those shorts definitely weren't due to the hot weather. She was done up as much as any of these girls here in the bar, who were all sadly a pretty sorry bunch. I ordered a beer and decided to sit tight and wait. Well, one of the girls here seemed to think she knew me from her old bar -- only takling to her a minute I realized it's a bar I never go to, the 49 on Dong Khoi (not HBT)... she was talking to another girl about how familiar with me she was, my habits and preferences, I guess. Honsetly I didn't remember ever seeing this one beforoe. Both were in the 4-6 range. Anyone who's been to 49DK knows what I mean. There's a reason I never go there. So ... finally in walks Shorts. She gets a can of soda from behind the bar and starts to head back to the front door, on her way back outside... I quickly say "Uh, Can I sit with HER? (making it very clear, expecting these 2 to try to "not understand") "No, she not working... she's boss's baby" That I took to mean that she belongs to teh boss. Kinda weird, pimping up your girlfriend to lure people into your huker bar. Whatever. Pay. Go. I report it here to save you the wasted visit. Took one for the team. You guys owe me, 30,000. ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]I almost hate to report this one.
Walking down Mac Thi Buoi street the other night, as I was walking on the part just near Black Cat restaurant, I caught sight of a cutie in short shorts standing on the street and got about 5 paces past when I realized some guy had just called out to me to come in for just one beer just one beer. Well, I turned around and headed back, and the place was down a long narrow alley... I was ushered in by a few girls at once. Got there and short shorts wasn't in the mix, she was still outside. OK, I thought, I'll wait it out. I mean she definitely was part of the welcoming committee out streetside. And those shorts definitely weren't due to the hot weather. She was done up as much as any of these girls here in the bar, who were all sadly a pretty sorry bunch. I ordered a beer and decided to sit tight and wait. Well, one of the girls here seemed to think she knew me from her old bar -- only takling to her a minute I realized it's a bar I never go to, the 49 on Dong Khoi (not HBT)... she was talking to another girl about how familiar with me she was, my habits and preferences, I guess. Honsetly I didn't remember ever seeing this one beforoe. Both were in the 4-6 range. Anyone who's been to 49DK knows what I mean. There's a reason I never go there. So ... finally in walks Shorts. She gets a can of soda from behind the bar and starts to head back to the front door, on her way back outside... I quickly say "Uh, Can I sit with HER? (making it very clear, expecting these 2 to try to "not understand") "No, she not working... she's boss's baby" That I took to mean that she belongs to teh boss. Kinda weird, pimping up your girlfriend to lure people into your huker bar. Whatever. Pay. Go. I report it here to save you the wasted visit. Took one for the team. You guys owe me, 30,000. ;)[/QUOTE]
You've got me on two counts here. The bar on MTB sounds like it's on the side street near the Bach Dang hotel (which is non GF) and opposite Kim Long (which is) and it must be a fairly new one. My favourite hole-in-the-wall pharmacist used to be there as well.
49 DK sounds like the one opposite the Grand that used to call itself Hard Rock - dirty little place up an alley. Only ever seen old hags there from other bars.
I often use restaurants nearby to take out legit gals and walking past there can be a bit of a hazard.
[QUOTE=Wendella]I almost hate to report this one.
[/QUOTE]
Using attractive girls outside to bait customers inside to less attractive ones is a common tactic. It's fishing and you were caught. Of course all they got was 20k profit on your beer, but it gave them the chance to get more.
I'll say it again, this is the worst part of town for experienced mongerers. Overall the worst quality at by far the worst prices. Exceptions of course, you may be lucky and pluck a jewel from 91. Very suitable and useful however for the timid, newbies, tourists and those centrally located with little time.
JD
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]You've got me on two counts here. The bar on MTB sounds like it's on the side street near the Bach Dang hotel (which is non GF) and opposite Kim Long (which is) and it must be a fairly new one. My favourite hole-in-the-wall pharmacist used to be there as well.
49 DK sounds like the one opposite the Grand that used to call itself Hard Rock - dirty little place up an alley. Only ever seen old hags there from other bars.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I don't remember Bach Dang hotel... but if you know Black Cat, it's just up to MTB and bear left if you walk out its front door. Yeah it's totally new, like a week old. AH and... it's same owner as 49DK, so it means 49DK's staff has been replaced with what can't possibly be anythign worse than what they had before. The hags are in this alley now. Speaking of which, now I'm having doubts about that story -- these girls might be just desperate enough to BS me about whether that girl really worked there or not. I mean... a bar owner using his own private squeeze, dolling her up and putting her on display just to lure in customers? Well, ok maybe it is true.
OK I know how to describe it better... if you remember where U2 was and the old Shadow Bar up the block from it -- if you walked and stopped halfway between those 2 locations on that side of MTB, it's directly across the street from that point.
[QUOTE=Johndao]Using attractive girls outside to bait customers inside to less attractive ones is a common tactic. [/QUOTE]
Dunno if I'd say that: first time I think I've ever seen a HBT type bar do that. What a few do is have a super hot bartender who is not available. But even that's few and far between.
[QUOTE=Johndao]I'll say it again, [/QUOTE]
Yes I know you will . You always do. But... I think we all know there's places with higher prices and there's places with worse quality, and even places with both. It's all just different niches for different tastes. I need more variety. And I can do the scruffier type venues once in awhile but if that's all I do, it gets old fast.
Ah which reminds me: 29 now has some new girls in finally, some of them actually young and cute. Counted 3 or 4 last time who looked worth sitting with.
Two recent visits to Apocalypse on a Wednesday and a Sunday night, which I think are the main nights when freelancers attend. Wednesday I just took a quick look inside there and saw there were practically no WGs inside. This was at about 10:30 PM, but in my experience most WGs would be there by that time.
Sunday, I decided to spring for a beer and spent about 90 minutes in the place, leaving about 12:00. Not very crowded but still there was a good number of people in the place. About 12 to 15 girls seemed to be FLs but almost all of them were about 4 feet 10 inches tall. There seemed to be a shortage of mongers, if anything.
A few years ago you could find some taller women here but not lately, according to my limited experience. But if you dig small girls, you'll find them here and they are pretty.
BTW, I hope everyone realizes that these "admission fees" they have at Apocalypse and other discos are just a scam for tourists and that the locals never pay them. Just say no and they will still let you in.
Recently I visited HBT to pay one of my occasional visits to the scene there. I didn't see anyone to my tastes in 91, though there were some nice girls there. Saw some nice girls in the other bars, but the standout for me was in the bar reputed to have the ugliest girls: 35 (is that correct? I mean, the one that begins with a 3)
There was a girl there that was exactly my dish. I think her name was Hang. But when I went over to her and asked her name, she replied, then went back to playing some game on her friend's phone. She didn't ask me my name. She seemed not interested in me.
I was drinking a beer and I told some Aussie guy about her, and he went over to her and told her that I was interested in her. So she comes over to me and there begins a total waste of money. Bought her two drinks. She convinced me to play pool, saying that if I won she would take me upstairs and show me her boobs for free. And if she won, I would pay her 100,000d.
Well, it was a close match, but she beat me, so I gave her the money. Then she said that if I gave her another 200,000 she would take me upstairs and show me her boobs. I asked if I could also touch them and she seemed to say yes, if she understood correctly.
She also said she would give me a bj for $40 but I said no, that's just too much.
So we go upstairs and I ask her how long can we stay upstairs for my 200K, and she says only 5 minutes. I said no, 15 minutes, ok? She wouldn't agree, so we went back downstairs, where she tried to wangle another drink from me.
She was tall and pretty, just what I'm looking for. But she was also 22, much too young to become possibly more than a WG to me. And it was clear to me that she didn't really like me very much. She also turned her cheek when I tried to kiss her. And when I asked her phone number, she claimed that she didn't have a phone! Really now!
Altogether, an interesting experience but unproductive. How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?
The further misadventures of the Penguin:
Went in Bin Bin and other bars on LTT. At Bin Bin, contrary to other reports, I found no really attractive girls and all of them were small. At the "small bar" near Bin Bin, there were some cute girls but the mama wanted 50,000 for a Tiger. I told her no, 30,000, which is what the other bars charge. She wouldn't agree so I walked out.
Visited that bar that is on TVL on the other side of LTT. Forget the name. There was one tall girl there who was very pretty. When I walked in, she stood up and smiled so as to persuade me to stay in the bar. But afterwards she ignored me.
Later some younger foreigner came in and she enthusiastically spent time with him, like she was his GF. He looked like he worked out regularly. Made me realize I'm not as young as I used to be and must stop eating that peanut brittle candy I've grown so fond of, as it ends up around me middle :)
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]The further misadventures of the Penguin:
[/QUOTE]
Yeah the little bar called Quan Nho (translation: "little bar" ;) ) charges 50,000 per beer but everything else is same as other places. They do stick to that firmly. Strange I know but what can you do, they own the bar. Dont think it's a big deal since the lady drinks are also 50,000 and you don't need to buy more than one beer if you don't want to. I've seen some amazing girls in that place and also received amazing treatment from them in the past, one superstar who sadly has departed the scene, the perfect combination of model looks and the born-to-be-a-wh0re attitude.
What bar are you talking about on TVL??? So many in that area. Not the one with the pool table in front that you have to go up a couple steps to enter? Would be surprised if thats the place you meant since it's been a really bad location to find cute girls in the past -- like the worst bar of them all in that respect. Its the only bar I can think of on TVL on the opposite side of LTT from Bin Bin and Quan Nho. You sure it's Thai Van Lung and not Thi Sach?
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you got a dud. Yeah if you pick up some kind of frosty signal early on, usually best to avoid. A general rule but not a strict one, cuz honestly it's also possible that some who seem chilly at first turn out to be super warm later (such as my old Quan Nho squeeze who mysteriously transformed from ice queen on visit #1 to red hot mama on #2). Maybe if you get one who totally does it for you in looks dept, go with her the first time and play it cool - then give a tip that's generous at the end, that makes the statement "I like you". A tip that's a bit high for what she gave, but not stupidly high. Like for me, if it was a meeting that was mostly chat and low on contact, if I wanted it to warm up next time I'd probably give 150. Then she gets another chance next time, and if she does warm up then it's ok... and if not, well, that's that. She's not going to. Tip whatever you feel like in that case, cuz it should be the last time you sit with her. Make it at least an adequate tip so that she doens't go complain to you to other girls and give you a bad reputation with them. (I can totally see JD and some others rollilng their eyes at this advice, saying something like Oh my god what is it with this guy?!?!?! heh heh...anyway... for guys who like these places, are willing to pay a bit, this is the way to crack the shell of those super hotties who are a bit cold at first)
As for 35 specifics, those prices are ridiculous. For example on one visit to that bar I got taken up stairs by a girl with no price expectations, and was soon in the middle of a makeout session with a topless her. Sucking her breasts no problem. She never made any suggestoin about how much tip she should get but I gave her 150 or 200, don't remember. We were probably up there half an hour, maybe more. So either she pegged you for a rich foreigner who was due to be taken for as much as he'd part with, or maybe you're right and she didn't like you. It happens. Thats life. Happens to all of us sometimes.
Altogether, an interesting experience but unproductive. How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?[/QUOTE]I'll just write this on behalf of JD, cause I know he'll probably use harsher words, but if you are negotiating 200k + to go upstairs in anyplace to just look and touch a pair at tits, then you are really lost.
This is mad behaviour and pretty much say's to these girls 'scam the foreigners'. OK, you may not look like Brad Pitt, but still, paying (begging) a girl to flash her titties at you in Vietnam?. Have some dignity man!
[QUOTE=Wendella] Make it at least an adequate tip so that she doens't go complain to you to other girls and give you a bad reputation with them. (I can totally see JD and some others rolling their eyes at this advice, saying something like Oh my god what is it with this guy?!?!?! heh heh...anyway... for guys who like these places, are willing to pay a bit, this is the way to crack the shell of those super hotties who are a bit cold at first)[/QUOTE]
Wendella, are you able to look at me through my webcam? Eyes rolling to the ceiling! Yes, the way to crack the shell of Vietnamese sex workers is to give them money for doing nothing. The secret is out! Give Vietnamese people (any people) money for nothing and they will pay attention to you next time they see you! Yeah--the code is cracked! Oh, and the other key rule in VN -- the customer is always wrong and it's the job of customers to please the workers (staff) and keep them happy.
JD
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]
She was tall and pretty, just what I'm looking for. But she was also 22, much too young to become possibly more than a WG to me. And it was clear to me that she didn't really like me very much. She also turned her cheek when I tried to kiss her. And when I asked her phone number, she claimed that she didn't have a phone! Really now!
Altogether, an interesting experience but unproductive. How about those prices? Is it really 200K just for 5 minutes of viewing and fondling? What are your experiences?[/QUOTE]Yes, I think that must be the real price based on 2.4 million Dong per hour ($216), so 200k ($10.50) per 5 minutes. Not much really to spend some time with a beautiful Vietnamese girl in the heart of the tourist district, if she meets your stringent requirements on looks (over 5ft 3in, etc.). Also, factory workers earn about 50,000 Dong ($2.60) per day of hard labor. Remember, you are at these places seeking a wife and you don't want to give the impression you are cheap or stingy. If they think that about you they will not want to marry you. But really this is not my area of expertise.
JD
[QUOTE=Wendella]...Maybe if you get one who totally does it for you in looks dept, go with her the first time and play it cool - then give a tip that's generous at the end, that makes the statement "I like you". A tip that's a bit high for what she gave, but not stupidly high. Like for me, if it was a meeting that was mostly chat and low on contact, if I wanted it to warm up next time I'd probably give 150. Then she gets another chance next time, and if she does warm up then it's ok... and if not, well, that's that...[/QUOTE]
This is where we differ. I always tip commensurate to services rendered. Even in VN dance clubs, the PR's job is to please me, to give me a good time, to give me that illusion of being my fantasy GF so that I will be a return customer. So they should get on with it and do their job... :D I generally tip a standard VND100.000 for a standard nothing-more nothing-less service.
If she was 'mostly chat and low on contact' the first time, she would likely NOT get a second time with me. There are way too many cock-teasing-skanks-grey-zone-hoes in this city to bother with ice-queen PRs.
On the other hand, if she gives me a good time by acting the perfect role of my bit*h hoe, pours my drinks, lights my cigarettes, serves me fruit, plays drinking games with me, rubs her ass against my crotch, gyrates in front of me showing me what a bad girl she can be, she might get VND200.000. I've occasionally but rarely tipped a PR girl more.
Pokey Penguin: At places like Quan Nho, puh-leeeease. These are hostess bars. The girls are all hoes. No exceptions. Trust me on this one. They make perhaps VND20.000 per lady drink you buy. Tipping them at the establishment above and beyond that are entirely discretionary to you. If she was a perfect wh*re with you in the bar, allowing you a bit of groping and fondling, then perhaps a VND50.000-VND100.000 tip when you leave and everybody's happy. Remember, she is already getting a 'commission' from the lady drinks you buy.
At these hostess bars however, her REAL income is from arrangements made with you for activities outside the establishment after her work hours. Or did you think they all survive on VND20.000 drink commissions? :D
[QUOTE=Johndao]Wendella, are you able to look at me through my webcam? [/QUOTE]
Yes, man -- so please at least put on some underwear.
Nah this is only reserved for the super hotties, the ones you're not content to give up on just cuz they're a bit frosty at first. Trust me, it's not a routine thing, the ones worth trying this on only come along like once or twice a year or so.
I think we need to recognise that we are playing a game with these gals in these bars and they can play the game far better than us.
For those reasons I would tend to stick to the rules as laid out by JD and Raver. They will always try to take advantage of a sucker so one needs to RTFF a bit. And don't sweat the small stuff eg 30-50,000 for a Tiger - it makes you seem like a cheap charlie and they will shy away.
But there are occasions when it might be judicious to be a bit more generous to see what happens next time. This can be true (but rarely of bar girls) but can also be true of ordinary girls such as waitresses.
If I find a nice gal that is new in the bar and clearly does not understand the game then I might get a phone number and give her a tip because there are good odds that she will not hack the bitchy bar life and quit. But be aware that just asking for the new gals is no guarantee. If the have no pool skills then that is a good sign.
[QUOTE=Wendella]
What bar are you talking about on TVL??? So many in that area. Not the one with the pool table in front that you have to go up a couple steps to enter? Would be surprised if thats the place you meant since it's been a really bad location to find cute girls in the past -- like the worst bar of them all in that respect. Its the only bar I can think of on TVL on the opposite side of LTT from Bin Bin and Quan Nho. You sure it's Thai Van Lung and not Thi Sach?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I think it's the one with the pool table in front. There was the one very pretty tall girl near the pool table and another tall girl who was less pretty but still attractive, who was sitting on the couch in the back with the other smaller girls. Well, maybe you wouldn't think the pool table girl was very pretty. I did. Maybe she isn't even a WG but just someone they put in the front room to lure the punters in, and maybe that younger guy who came in and was warmly received by her really was her BF. I wonder why she was not sitting on the couches with the other girls...?
But bar personnel are always changing, aren't they? I did find a gem in 35, although a gem in looks only, not in service. And 35 is also supposed to be low quality.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Sounds like you got a dud. Yeah if you pick up some kind of frosty signal early on, usually best to avoid. A general rule but not a strict one, cuz honestly it's also possible that some who seem chilly at first turn out to be super warm later (such as my old Quan Nho squeeze who mysteriously transformed from ice queen on visit #1 to red hot mama on #2). Maybe if you get one who totally does it for you in looks dept, go with her the first time and play it cool - then give a tip that's generous at the end, that makes the statement "I like you". A tip that's a bit high for what she gave, but not stupidly high. Like for me, if it was a meeting that was mostly chat and low on contact, if I wanted it to warm up next time I'd probably give 150. Then she gets another chance next time, and if she does warm up then it's ok... and if not, well, that's that. She's not going to. Tip whatever you feel like in that case, cuz it should be the last time you sit with her. Make it at least an adequate tip so that she doens't go complain to you to other girls and give you a bad reputation with them. (I can totally see JD and some others rollilng their eyes at this advice, saying something like Oh my god what is it with this guy?!?!?! heh heh...anyway... for guys who like these places, are willing to pay a bit, this is the way to crack the shell of those super hotties who are a bit cold at first)
As for 35 specifics, those prices are ridiculous. For example on one visit to that bar I got taken up stairs by a girl with no price expectations, and was soon in the middle of a makeout session with a topless her. Sucking her breasts no problem. She never made any suggestoin about how much tip she should get but I gave her 150 or 200, don't remember. We were probably up there half an hour, maybe more. So either she pegged you for a rich foreigner who was due to be taken for as much as he'd part with, or maybe you're right and she didn't like you. It happens. Thats life. Happens to all of us sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the feedback, Wendella. Well, despite the frosty clues, I go to these places so seldom, and find someone whose looks I really like so seldom, that I figured, what the hell.
I'm troubled by your reference to a "tip." Aren't the ladydrinks enough of a tip? The 100K I gave her for beating me at pool, isn't that a tip?
Are you suggesting that it was crass and a violation of girly bar protocol for this girl to demand a fee -- 200k -- to take her upstairs for 5 minutes? That she should instead have just said, "let's go upstairs, honey," let me grope and feel and neck for as long as I wanted, and then afterwards I should have given her a tip based on what I thought it was worth?
Really, the ladydrinks are enough of a tip, aren't they? :)
No they don't consider the lady drinks to be enough of a tip, sorry. They'll chalk you up as cheap charlie if you leave without a real tip. Somewhere between 70 and 100 is accepted. If it gets intense, pay more accordingly.
Some girls will try to get away with anything they can, it's just something you have to deal with sometimes. Others will stick to some standards - -most will actually. But I wouldn't consider it crass exactly that she'd do that -- it's bargaining after all. She's got family members to feed and expensive mobile phones to buy. ;) You just need to play your own role in the game and keep it in check.
But, Wendella, what usually happens? Do you agree on a price to go upstairs, or is money not discussed, and you just tip her afterwards based on what it was worth? What is the standard procedure?
The payment if she beats you at pool...is that pretty standard? What is the usual payment? Probably not 100,000, as she was overcharging me for everything. A ladydrink, maybe?
I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time. Anyway, this girl's frostiness was apparent even before I bought her her first drink, so I shouldn't have done that, and won't do it again.
I did it because I was infatuated with her. That doesn't happen to me much here.
I once found a girl I really liked at a bar on BV St. I would go visit her and tip her 100k at the end of the visit (even though she didn't do anything except hold my hand and ask for ladydrinks). Went to hotel with her once. Really liked her, so we arranged to meet for lunch. She showed up without makeup. I guess it was too much trouble to put makeup on early in the day? Or was she just being honest and showing me what she really looked like? Unfortunately, seeing her without makeup, her skin deep tan instead of white as it was in the bar, I totally lost interest in her. How superficial I am! :)
I wonder how many of these girls would still be pretty without their makeup.
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]...
I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time. Anyway, this girl's frostiness was apparent even before I bought her her first drink, so I shouldn't have done that, and won't do it again.
I did it because I was infatuated with her. That doesn't happen to me much here...
...I wonder how many of these girls would still be pretty without their makeup.[/QUOTE]
That's a strong word. (infatuated) If I were infatuated with a girl I wouldve likely then have done what you did. :D
Yes, the ultimate test is seeing them in the mornings without their war paint. Some are still pretty without, but in any case its always a sobering thing when it happens, for me at least!
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]But, Wendella, what usually happens? Do you agree on a price to go upstairs, or is money not discussed, and you just tip her afterwards based on what it was worth? What is the standard procedure?
The payment if she beats you at pool...is that pretty standard? What is the usual payment? Probably not 100,000, as she was overcharging me for everything. A ladydrink, maybe?
I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time. Anyway, this girl's frostiness was apparent even before I bought her her first drink, so I shouldn't have done that, and won't do it again.
I did it because I was infatuated with her. That doesn't happen to me much here.
I once found a girl I really liked at a bar on BV St. I would go visit her and tip her 100k at the end of the visit (even though she didn't do anything except hold my hand and ask for ladydrinks). Went to hotel with her once. Really liked her, so we arranged to meet for lunch. She showed up without makeup. I guess it was too much trouble to put makeup on early in the day? Or was she just being honest and showing me what she really looked like? Unfortunately, seeing her without makeup, her skin deep tan instead of white as it was in the bar, I totally lost interest in her. How superficial I am! :)
I wonder how many of these girls would still be pretty without their makeup.[/QUOTE]
I never known a price to be set for going upstairs to the billiard room or other room but obviously a tip is expected but the amount depends on what goes on.
When you play pool with them you need to set the 'bet' at the beginning - if she wins she gets 100k if you when she gets her gear off is pretty standard but you can up the ante for other services if she is agreeable.
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]But, Wendella, what usually happens? Do you agree on a price to go upstairs, or is money not discussed, and you just tip her afterwards based on what it was worth? What is the standard procedure?
I agree with raverboy, I would not give a girl a second chance if she was frosty the first time. [/QUOTE]
Sudsoz described it pretty well. I don't do the pool game thing, but on the few times that a girl mentioned me paying something if I wanted to go upstairs, I didn't go for it. So for me, the usual has been to just go upstairs, period, and then pay accordingly after the fact. You keep mentioning "standard" but with these places, everything varies a bit girl by girl. Rather than say "I know it's supposed to be $X for Y", you're better off and more correct to say (with a smile) "I always pay $X for Y" -- notice it eliminates the whole accusation tone and face issue.
99% of the time I also do what Raverboy does. It's those rare times when she's just an amazing specimen that I'll aim for visit 2 to be the one where I get somewhere.
I was in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) in august 2009 and wish to leave you a brief report of my sex holiday.
I found that one of the favorite places in Saigon for seeking girls is Hai Ba Trung. Along this street, in District 1, there is a considerable quantities of bars which, at your arrival, open the door and let you see the wonderful content inside: a plenty of beautiful pussies ready for love. You get into the bar, drink something with the lady you choose (at the price of 3-4 euros) and begin the bargaining. The girls ask you about 60 USD$ for short time (1-2 hours) and 80 USD$ for long time (overnight).
I caught a stunner at the bar 91 in Hai Ba Trung, clearly my best speaking about girls quality. Breathtaking beauties inside, nothing to say. I’ve spent 1000000 dong for girl short time (1 euro was 25000 dong at that time) and 400000 dong for bar fine. Very expensive, but the satisfaction of making love with a model-looking lady is priceless, and I can tell you in this case it was worth.
Another area to be reported is Pham Ngu Lao, full of bars with beautiful girls who try to call you inside.
The hotel could be a problem: there are some of them where you can bring the girl in your room without problems, while others are at risk raided by local police. It’s very important you ask at the reception before; it’s possible they ask you for a tip. In some hotels is even possible to ask for a girl, directly in room, to the reception; if you speak with the right person, you can have a short time for about 40 USD$. Like I did!
Some other important advice from Saigon:
- when you enter the small bars where the girls try to pull you in, just like in Thailand, choose what you like and just go quickly to the point: the girls will try to load you many lady drink, so it’s better to finish the negotiations as soon as possible;
- prices are negotiable: at first they ask you short time for 60 USD$ and 80 USD$ for overnight, but if you are a good monger you can have discounts;
- avoid the 4 and 5 star hotel, where police go more often for controls, and prefer small and guest friendly locations.
- the prices are much higher compared to Thailand, but the beauty of Vietnamese ladies is astonishing;
- avoid the Viet Cong with motorcycles that offer you girls on the street, as well as the massage rooms (very questionable, from what I've seen) or the karaoke halls. I've heard that many foreigners had problems in places like these.
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Plenty of good looking girls in bar 91 at 11 pm on Thursday evening. Asked miss X (can't remember her name) to join me. Very good looking, nice body, large natural breasts, which is much more common in Vietnam than other SE Asia countries and a very pleasant personality. To my amusement I discover that her panties have a small slit in the middle, just large enough to finger her clit. After a 500,000 the bill for my two beers, her 3 or 4 lady drinks and the bar fine (with receipt saying food and drinks), we go to a mini hotel not far (300,000 D). During the taxi trip she lets my finger explore inside her panties. Only at red lights was I asked to stop, as motorcycle drivers could see us. After climbing 4 stairs a nice room. Miss X has a great slim body and enjoys the session where the high table, deep window sill and the large bed are in turn used. This slim and petite girl can be carried with ease around the room. She makes lots of noises during a long DATY, then BJ of quality but much shorter than with the good girls of Bangkok. Quality time for the 1,000,000. To be repeated.
Over the recent holiday weekend I walked down HBT in early evening and was surprised to find that most of the touts were not trying to lure men into the bars. In fact, at 51, the tout even said to me, "Finished," indicating that I could not go in the bar. But I could see through the dark glass that there were girls in the bar.
Then I walked by 91 and, again, the touts did not try to get me into the bar. I thought about just trying to walk in but didn't want to lose face again by being refused entry :)
I saw some Asian guys go into the bar, no problem. But when white men walked by, no attempt was made to get them into the bar.
This was not true at all the bars. I was touted to go into that new bar, the one on MTB (or is it Dong Du?) near the Black Cat. But only a few girls in there. And I think the tout at 35 seemed to suggest with his body language that I could come in, but I wanted to check the others out.
On a possibly related note, I was waved away at one of the shops on NPK that same day, the doorman saying "no massage." Even though there seemed to be girls in there. And I've been serviced at that place 3 or 4 times.
So I am wondering, was the recent holiday with its flag waving and all, the reason for this? On the holiday, do the police become more vigilant about not allowing P4P, especially to western foreigners, because it violates their silly patriotic puritanical dogmas?
This is the explanation I prefer, as I hope it's not that I've already gotten typecast as a cheap charlie who buys a beer and doesn't usually take a girl, hence blacklisted!
Nah don't worry about it. On any 'ngay le' (government holidays) the police do not accept bribe money, instead they become 'good police' and do everything by the books, but there is an explanation for that, do you REALLY think they become good policemen lol!? The reason is it is their chance to get promoted in rank ;-)
[QUOTE=Terwagne]Plenty of good looking girls in bar 91 at 11 pm on Thursday evening. Asked miss X (can't remember her name) to join me. Very good looking, nice body, large natural breasts, which is much more common in Vietnam than other SE Asia countries and a very pleasant personality. To my amusement I discover that her panties have a small slit in the middle, just large enough to finger her clit. After a 500,000 the bill for my two beers, her 3 or 4 lady drinks and the bar fine (with receipt saying food and drinks), we go to a mini hotel not far (300,000 D). During the taxi trip she lets my finger explore inside her panties. Only at red lights was I asked to stop, as motorcycle drivers could see us. After climbing 4 stairs a nice room. Miss X has a great slim body and enjoys the session where the high table, deep window sill and the large bed are in turn used. This slim and petite girl can be carried with ease around the room. She makes lots of noises during a long DATY, then BJ of quality but much shorter than with the good girls of Bangkok. Quality time for the 1,000,000. To be repeated.[/QUOTE]Sounds like fun and a good girl. Trying to get the price right in my head. Your 2 beers were 60,000 total (30k each) and you paid 500k so that's 440k for her and the house, then 1 mil. more to her? So 1.440.000 plus 300k for the hotel? About $92 USD. How long did you spend in the room with her?
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao]Sounds like fun and a good girl. Trying to get the price right in my head. Your 2 beers were 60,000 total (30k each) and you paid 500k so that's 440k for her and the house, then 1 mil. more to her? So 1.440.000 plus 300k for the hotel? About $92 USD. How long did you spend in the room with her?
JD[/QUOTE]
Here we go... ;)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Here we go... ;)[/QUOTE]
fasten seat belts ;)
[QUOTE=Member #2234]fasten seat belts ;)[/QUOTE]
Be right back, I'm gonna go get some popcorn. Want a soda?
Time in the bar 1 hour, 15 minutes taxi drive and 1.5 hours in the room. 30US$ per hour?
Last night I checked out a few of the HBT bars. I started at 91 and there were so many beautiful girls it was hard to make a choice, I wanted all of them! I stayed there an hour or so and checked out a few more bars down the road. 91 has the lookers that's for sure, but the other places I visited weren't so bad either. HBT is as close as you can get to Soi 6 in Pattaya, minus the girls screaming vulgar request as you walk down the street. The girls here are way more beautiful than their Thai counterparts hands down. Thanks for the info guys, this is a place that I will be visiting again and again!
[QUOTE=Saigon Ican]On the low end 300-500k for sex. There are many places in this price range but probably the easiest for tourists would be around Pham Ngu Lao.[/QUOTE]I have read from time to time that you can find girls on Pham Ngu Lao.
From the trip I took last year, I went out to that street on more than one occassion and never had any success.
I am sure others including myself could use a bit more information/help, in order to find success on Pham Ngu Lao.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Toddtworip]I have read from time to time that you can find girls on Pham Ngu Lao.
From the trip I took last year, I went out to that street on more than one occassion and never had any success.
I am sure others including myself could use a bit more information/help, in order to find success on Pham Ngu Lao.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Vietnam, especially Pham Ngu Lao, is not a friendly easy place for P4P for newbies. Easy for locals and experienced ex-pats.
I was in Pham Ngu Lao last February.
There aren't that many FLs in that area.
During the evening/nights, I observed approximately 6 FLs walking around or sitting at the tables on the sidewalk of the Go-2 bar. They're FLs; local "good" girls do not hang out and walk around Pham Ngu Lao. I guess they can be hard to spot. A good bet is that if they're not carrying books, cigarettes or tissues to sell, they're working. The girls are between semi-ugly to marginal. The girls cost between 500K. 700K Dong (of course there initial price will be higher).
I normally sit at the bar next to the Go-2 bar (cheaper beers) and watch the girls walk by. Since there's only a few walkers, you might have to wait a while before something decent comes along. The waitor at that bar offered to get a girl for 800K Dong.
Higher level girls will be at the Go-2 and Buffalo discos (upstairs). But note that the girls will come in late (maybe past midnight?). Was told by an ex-pat that the price will be 1 Mil Dong (might be higher if the girl is really cute).
P4P is not "in your face", like it was in the early 90's in District 1. I remember being constantly "harassed" by pimps and girls in moto-bikes. Currently in District 1, it's a lot more discrete.
Does anyone know of any pregnant working girls? I've been living in Viet Nam (HCM & Ha Noi) for over 2 years and have yet to find one. I know, not for everyone, but something I'm keen to try. I was thinking maybe one of the HBT girls who is only semi retired for 9 months.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I just found this fourm and look forward to participating and being a productive member.
Here is the rundown. I got some good info from Vale64. Thanks for that.
Just as he stated, the street Hai Ba Trung is a good place to go. I went mid afternoon. Bars already open. Girls putting on make up etc.
I started at 41 Hai Ba Trung. There is a cigar shop there and a Gourmet Supermarket with deli across the street. Walking up the street you will see bars like 49, 51, and 91. They are the bars names, and had touts opening the doors and you can see the girls inside.
I went in one, typical deal. Sit as far back as you can. You can get most of the action in the shop all the way to BJ, but for FS they want you to leave and get a room.
On the corner of where I started, (see pic for street names, and second pic has the street sign of the address where I got FS in the bar) - Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung.
This shop at 11 Dong Du, has a huge Apple logo in silver, almost like Apple Computer logo.
Inside this shop I got a girl. We sat upstairs in the pool table room. I got her and myself a drink. She pretty much told me we can do anything we want in the bar. The fee to the house is VND 400K plus she asked for VND 1.3 million. I think that is steep. I bargained with her and got down to 2 drinks, and VND 500k to her, no house fee as long as we do it fast, nobody sees and she wont tell the bar. If you do this, be discreet so as not to mess it up for us deal seekers.
Later that evening, I walked around again. All the bars getting more busy and touts asking you in. I skipped. I got a massage across the street from 91. They charge double what most charge $15. The girl was so innocent looking and never tried anything. Finally at the very end, she asked to massage my "baby". I declined as I wanted FS.
I also saw a lot of girls hanging out on the street. They dress like ho's but none of them asked me for anything. Anyone know the deal?
[QUOTE=Formerlybnc]
I also saw a lot of girls hanging out on the street. They dress like ho's but none of them asked me for anything. Anyone know the deal?[/QUOTE]
Many Vietnamese women and girls, especially going out at night, dress like Ho's. They think it's 'classy'. For many Vietnamese women (and I have to limit this to HCMC and most surely NOT Hanoi where women look and dress much better, overall), they think the Hollywood Boulevard streetwalker look circa 1987 look is 'high class' and they use this term in Vietnamese to describe it too. Viets for the most part are unstylish and uneducated, especially those from the Mekong Delta who come to the city.
Wendella reported on this place which is up an alley directly opposite the Kim Long hotel (which used to be GF but now has a new owner so I am not sure).
I was sucked in by the same SYT that Wendella saw but she does not sit with customers at all because she belongs to the boss. The other gals were all hags out of that sorry establishment at 49 Dong Khoi. Being forewarned I was able to size the situation up pretty quick and get out.
But being curious I wandered into the massage place opposite and saw some nice lookers there. I went back next day and was told VND200,00 for one hour and I got them to settle on VND100,000 for 30 mins. Chose the older of the two attractive gals because she had bigger boobs. Down the back partitioned with curtains - pretty private. I stripped the lot off and the gal did not object or coming running with shorts - so I thought that was different. The massage was not bad - good and firm. So I caressed the bum as it went past to check for a reaction and she asked if I wanted to turn over. She then proceeded to HJ and then TJ on request until I finished on her tits.
She wanted tip of VND400,000 so I gave her half that and walked out.
All of this was in english.
Now I appreciate that JD is getting FS for VND300,000 elsewhere but this is smack in the middle of D1 and therefore pretty good value.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Now I appreciate that JD is getting FS for VND300,000 elsewhere but this is smack in the middle of D1 and therefore pretty good value.[/QUOTE]
It's not just JD who is getting FS for 300k (more like 500k for better ones nowadays). All my friends and most of my acquaintances do as well. This is normal for guys who live here. They don't bother with this Forum at all as there is absolutely no info for them here. Just newbies and tourists mostly writing about paying $100 at HBT bars or asking basic questions that have been asked over and over. It's funny to read those posts for a laugh once in a while, they say. Only informative posts are the usuals about NPK BJ shops and DBP and vicinity. So nothing new ever reported on. They don't do pics as I like to do but they sometimes lurk to see mine.
Read Viet Forums on the same topic as this and they are full of CG info with pics and girls range from 200k to 500k usually. A huge wealth of info out there if you can read Viet.
Yes, that is smack in the middle of the tourist area of D1, but why buy anything in the middle of the tourist area of D1? Tourist areas are always overpriced. They are for those who don't know better because they have not had the time to explore. Just look at the prices of things along Dong Khoi Street, the same things you can buy elsewhere in the city. A cup of coffee costs more there than it does in NYC.
Ex: HJ, TJ Massa here at 300k. Then go to NPK, also D1, 1.5km to the north, BBBJ CIM 190k.
JD
[blue]Greetings Gentlemen,
With all due respect, I would very much appreciate it if you would not use my forum to publicly solicit or exchange information on how to find and/or use my competitor's website(s).
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Formerlybnc] I got some good info from Vale64. Thanks for that.
[/QUOTE]You're welcome.
[QUOTE=Apple Banana][blue]Greetings Gentlemen,
With all due respect, I would very much appreciate it if you would not use my forum to publicly solicit or exchange information on how to find and/or use my competitor's website(s).
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
Other websites that discuss sex and mongering are not necessarily to be viewed as your competitors. ISG covers the whole world, in English. A site that covers only the local country such as Vietnam and is written only in Vietnamese hardly competes with you. Most proprietors recognize 'the more the merrier principle'. Bars tend to congregate on the same street as do restaurants and shoe shops. In Vietnam, the brothels are all located next to one another. Sharing information brings in more business, it doesn't chase it away.
I'm with you on this one too JD.
Theres nothing wrong with helping out people, That is what the forum's are all about including this one. No doubt with the new information surfacing from other forums some of it will trickle down onto this website which is a good thing isn't it?
The VN forum has become quite stagnant in recent times. There's only certain areas you can go to for mongering and most have already been covered to death in these past pages. I too have looked at local VN forums and discovered a couple new places and have written up my experiences previously, Had I not visited these establishments then this VN forum will have had fewer reports.
No doubt Jackson's got to protect his interests/forum from outside advertising however when its all related to the topic (mongering) I see it as a little bit over the top. ISG is not the only mongering forum out there.
[QUOTE=Johndao]Other websites that discuss sex and mongering are not necessarily to be viewed as your competitors. ISG covers the whole world, in English. A site that covers only the local country such as Vietnam and is written only in Vietnamese hardly competes with you. Most proprietors recognize 'the more the merrier principle'. Bars tend to congregate on the same street as do restaurants and shoe shops. In Vietnam, the brothels are all located next to one another. Sharing information brings in more business, it doesn't chase it away.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Johndao]Ex: HJ, TJ Massa here at 300k. Then go to NPK, also D1, 1.5km to the north, BBBJ CIM 190k.
JD[/QUOTE]Sorry for my ignorance..What is the full name NPK road?
Tks in advance
[QUOTE=Formerlybnc]I think that is steep. I bargained with her and got down to 2 drinks, and VND 500k to her, no house fee as long as we do it fast, nobody sees and she wont tell the bar. If you do this, be discreet so as not to mess it up for us deal seekers.[/QUOTE]A risky approach! Many girls just won't care if they get caught cos they will assume you will just pay up - including any fine the bar puts on the girl for trying. One time was U2 bar Dong Khoi. I left a foreigner behind there only to get a call at about 2am. He had been followed out of the bar and surrounded by the cathedral (hardly a dark alley) by various xe om types. He was "held there" until the mamasan appeared and "compensation" was agreed. Despite this the girl was beaten the next day. Strangely some 5 years later I'm still in touch with her - she never worked again. (Was probably due to retire anyway.)
I won't say you can't get away with it (you obviously did), but if you're sticking around Saigon I don't think it's a good idea.
[QUOTE=Keantan24]Sorry for my ignorance..What is the full name NPK road?
Tks in advance[/QUOTE]
try looking at the Abbreviations up the top between FAQ and Photo Gallery (if your a paid up member) or Search.
Then scroll down to the Vietnamese section.
[QUOTE=Johndao]It's not just JD who is getting FS for 300k (more like 500k for better ones nowadays). All my friends and most of my acquaintances do as well. This is normal for guys who live here. They don't bother with this Forum at all as there is absolutely no info for them here. Just newbies and tourists mostly writing about paying $100 at HBT bars or asking basic questions that have been asked over and over. It's funny to read those posts for a laugh once in a while, they say. Only informative posts are the usuals about NPK BJ shops and DBP and vicinity. So nothing new ever reported on. They don't do pics as I like to do but they sometimes lurk to see mine.
Read Viet Forums on the same topic as this and they are full of CG info with pics and girls range from 200k to 500k usually. A huge wealth of info out there if you can read Viet.
Yes, that is smack in the middle of the tourist area of D1, but why buy anything in the middle of the tourist area of D1? Tourist areas are always overpriced. They are for those who don't know better because they have not had the time to explore. Just look at the prices of things along Dong Khoi Street, the same things you can buy elsewhere in the city. A cup of coffee costs more there than it does in NYC.
Ex: HJ, TJ Massa here at 300k. Then go to NPK, also D1, 1.5km to the north, BBBJ CIM 190k.
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1. I do not live in VN but visit from time to time and do not speak much Viet.
2. For a variety of reasons I stay in D1 and would use taxis or Xe Oms to go to outer Districts. Generally I do not bother as I have gals that come to me and my time in the bars is usually waiting for a visitor to finish work.
3. For me life is too short for skanks or skanky places.
Just as there are lot of guys who like the Hot Tocs etc there are a lot of (probably older or new to town) guys who do not. Each to his own - we need information for both.
It looks like the girly bar on the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Dong Du street called Thien Loc has closed for good. This was just a few doors down from the old U2 (which relocated to 29 Dong Khoi awhile back) and was one of the raunchiest of the bars out there, tho not quite approaching the heights (or is it depths?) of the Caligulesque U2/29. The neon signs have all been removed, doors and windows look permanently shut, and this isn't exactly a growth industry in HCMC these days, so I'm not expecting another similar business to take over the location and start up fresh.
I have to say, what was left in the place in recent times didn't really merit a visit. (don't think I've seen a looker in there for over a year) Back in the day it could occasionally be a great spot -- basically if you were lucky and they'd recently hired a very cute girl, which they did from time to time. (for a good long while, there was one there who was at the time the hottest thing in any of all these kinds of bars in that area, including the ones on Le Thanh Ton, Thai Van Lung, etc.) Tongue kissing seemed to be the house specialty here. Ah yes those were the days.
To Thien Loc... <clink>
I walked by this shell of the former Thien Loc last night to spot some little A4 photocopy signs saying they've moved down the street to 26 Mac Thi Buoi (not Dong Du, that's one up -- my mistake in last post)... and actually that's the former Cali Bar location and rather than pay to get a new sign made, they just turned the Cali Bar sign on again. (for anyone who's been paying attention, the former Cali bar moved a block over to Dong Du street and is called Apple bar ). Staff is all the same at this new place. There was just one cutie there and she was pretty hardened, one of those veterans who go back and forth to Singapore to work, so she didn't try too hard cuz she knows she doesn't have to.
I made a visit to a bar last night and noticed a girl and her customer had disappeared. I know they didn't leave the place. Are there ST rooms on BV?
hey all,
living in vietnam for a couple of months only now my gf is out of town allowing me a night to explore the saigon nightlife a couple of days ago. i am not looking for a bj nor fs just enjoy looking and touching some gorgeous girls so that was what i was looking for that nite.
this forum has been a great help and, though i know no hanky panky is going on there, i started with one of the shampoo+massage places near ben thanh market. the guy outside said the cost would be 100k for shampoo+massage. inside really gorgeous girls who were wearing short yellow skirts. a cutie, not tall but with incredible nice long black hear and a really pretty face (small chinese like eyes) went with me for the shampooing. we went to the back where there were a couple of hair washing chairs. no other customer inside. a couple of ladies sitting on the chairs. one with her legs a bit open allowing me a peek at her black panties. my cutie, her name was nien, started washing my hair. she spook little english so small talk was limited. she was 25 years old but did look younger. not the best shampooing but her looks definitely made up for that. she also massaged my head so, in all my ignorance, i kind of expected that would be it. so i was pleasantly surprised that she took me upstairs for some more massage. the room we were in had several massage chairs but as i said, i was the only customer. i changed into shorts and a tanktop and she started massaging. it was not bad but a bit hard. incredibly how a little lady has that much power! let my hand slide over her firm butt during the massage. no objections but noticed that she was wearing quite a few thing under the skirt. well protected indeed. it was nice when she sat on top of me when massaging my back. i could feel her butt rubbing on my back and not sure that was intentional. and this was the great thing about this. she was so gorgeous, said many times how handsome i was, we were alone, we felt eachothers body heat. it was very very erotic and exciting. i definitely liked it a lot!. and how fast the atmosphere can change! when she finished, i got dressed again and she kept on putting things in order in the room. i am pretty ignorant and planned to settle things downstairs but she wanted her tip now. fair enough. remember from the posts on this forum a massage with bbbjcim would go for a total of 200k so no way i was going to pay that. so i give her 50k. she asked for 200k tip and then 100k when i refused. when i stuck to the 50k she started a whole drama show which was actually quite entertaining. "we not have salary only tip", throwing the money at the ground. kept my cool and just walked out of there to settle the 100k downstairs. walking out, she even opened up the door so it couldn't have been that bad. but a good experience for a newbie like me in vietnam. no matter how sweet they are, it is all about the money. some wisdom that would turn out to be useful later that evening.
heard many good things about the bar with the yellow smile so decided to head that way. it was still quiet early (around 8) when i walked in. plenty of gorgeous girls present. never been there before so wanted to check upstairs if something was going on. no customers there as well so i moved back down and sit at the bar. a real beauty came up to me and asked if she could sit down as well. again long black hair but tall in a yellow one piece mini skirt. no bra (was pretty obvious). she had nice tits. not too big and natural. long face with a gorgeous white smile. had no problems with her sitting with me (she was one of the prettiest in the bar) and she immediately turned around and sat between my legs. her butt rubbing against my dick. very nice so i immediately bought her a lady drink. i went up with my hand from her thigh to her butt. g-string and her ass was very firm and soft. a bit of small talk and her english was actually very good. name is phung or hung (didn't really catch it) and she was 28 years old. was a bit surprised as she looked younger. anyhow, she asked where i lived and i fantasized i lived in somerset. then we better go now she said as somerset does not allow "guests" after 10pm. this beauty definitely has been around! she asked me if i wanted to play pool and would undress if i won. no way i can win so i politely refused. then she enquired if i wanted a bj upstairs. 800k would it cost with 300k in that for the bar. did not come for that so politely declined. she offered to go to a hotel and i was actually curious what she would be up for. anything she said but when i pointed at her butt she said no. she'd never done that before and would never do it as she heard from friends that it hurt. no damage done as i did not have the intention to take her fs anyhow. when we had that out of the way, we actually had a pleasant conversation. i felt up her boobs whilst talking to her and nipples were hard. i asked her about it and she pulled down the top of her mini skirt so i had a nice view of her tits. not shy at all. she was already at her second lady drink. man these gals drink fast. so decided to take it a bit further and went up inside her legs till my fingers met her snatch. she was wearing a thin blue string. very thin. left my hand there for a while and she pushed her pubes against my hand while her hand started to rub my cock in my pants. after a few minutes she turned around. by now her mini skirt was pushed up to her hips and she sat down on the bar stool facing me and legs slightly open. kept my hand where it was. she asked if wanted to see her pussy and she pulled her panties down so i could have a look. no wonder i could not see anything though her panties were quite see through. she was completely shaven. moving to the third lady drink i wanted to finger her and she opened her legs a bit more. felt her pussy lips and played with her little clit but she would not let me enter her. fair enough. was actually already surprised she would go that far so i just enjoyed the view and the touching for about half an hour. very friendly lady. but was not going to stay there all nite. plenty of other bars (i read from this forum) so i wanted to venture a bit more. i asked for the bill and gave a 100k tip to phung as i really had enjoyed her company and she wasn't too shy. she seemed pleased and said thank you. the bill came and i was charged for my two beers and 4 lady drinks (while she had only 3) plus 20k for peanuts, which i didn't even noticed they put in front of me. newbie mistake. so i put 250k on the table ignoring their calls for the 4th lady drink which she definitely not had. paid for the peanuts though so i did kind of compromise! hehe.
needed to cool down a bit so went for a stroll. had a beer in an expat pub closeby. also only had 2 500k notes on me and, considering what has happened in both the massage and the bar before, wanted to make sure i had 100k notes so i would not depend on them giving change. so paid my beer there and got the change i needed. definitely recommended when you plan mongering. make sure you have smaller notes so you can pay exactly what you think should pay.
continued my trip and went to the other smile bar. the green one close by. no one inside so told them i would be back. have heard about 49, 51 and 91 at hbt so wanted to see what that was like. no one in 49 and 51 either so i finally settled for 91 where there were a couple of japanese. told the ladies i just wanted a drink first before i chose a lady. apparently all they heard was "chose a lady" and the turned on the light. suddenly out a 20+ girls were lined up in front of me. a mixed bag of cuties, real beauties and lady boy like gals. finally went for a cute one in a black mini skirt. hair tight up and a very pretty white face. really nice looking gal so she came to sit on the bar stool next to me. eighteen years old she claimed. i ordered her a ld but already felt the attitude was different than in the previous bar. she would not initiate touching me and kept a distance. she had a nice set of boobies but was wearing a bra. i pinched them and ask jokingly if they were real. not much reaction. put my hand on her leg and she put it back on her knee. when she noticed i was looking at her white undies peeping out, she pulled her skirt down so i could no longer see it. she came straight to business. "we go to hotel now" "i very good" etc. i teasingly ask her what she is very good at and she just vaguely replied making love. kind of disliked the attitude but already bought the lady drink so i was very straightforward. if she want to talk business then lets talk business. i ask her if she takes it up in the ass and whether she would do cim. both were no. i asked her how much and she started with 500k for the bar + 60 usd for her + hotel room. ha! that is funny so i started laughing. she got pissed off and kept asking for the same. never intended to go for fs but could not resist teasing this little b*tch. still had half a bottle to finish. finally she asked to blow me upstairs for 1. 2 mill vnd. what a joke. when i told her i was not interested in that, she claimed i needed to pay a 200k tip for her sitting with me. ld was for the bar she said. i said she was free to leave and she didn't speak to me anymore. i asked for the bill and left no tip. what a b*tch and hope someone fucks her deep in her tiny young ass some day. but i had fun.
decided to the bar with the green smile again. it was quiet everywhere so i figured it would be good to try the sister bar of the yellow one where i had good fun. came in and the place was still empty. sit at the end of the bar and actually just wanted a beer first to check out the gals. told that to several girls who came up but they kept coming so finally asked one lovely girl with a huge rack to sit with me. the question whether they were real was kind of obsolete. after i bought her a ld noticed she was not wearing a mini skirt like the others but a bit longer one. was worried this might interfere with my touching plans. but it didn't. she was touching me all over and cuddled up. her nipples spontaneouly fell out of her dress. pink in color and erect. after a few times putting them she no longer bothered and left her tits hanging out. i knew i was in for some good time. she was 25 and the name was lien. after playing with her tits for a while. i put my hand on her thigh. she stood up and strapped her skirt around her waist. she was wearing a green g string which was very thin indeed. she said down and probably noticed my staring. she opened her panties so i could peek inside. grabbed my hand and put it inside her undies while spreading her legs a bit. i played with her pussy lips and her clit (which was big and hard) then i slipped my fingers inside her pussy. she smiled. she had really black eyes, a nice set of teeth and a cute birth mark on her left cheek. she also had these small intends in her cheek when she smiled. very cute. her pussy was very soft and had very little hair. not shaved but naturally very little. she was a bit more pushy than her sister at the yellow bar but again i politely refused. was curious again though so when she asked to go to hotel, i asked for the menu and she replied everything. i pointed at her butt (with the fingers that were not in her pussy) and she said yep no problem. time to check. so i pulled out my fingers and asked her to sit on my hand while my fingers explored her ass hole. she endure the fingering for a few seconds but then removed my hand. i told her i was not interested in fs or bj. she asked several times if i wanted a bj upstairs with the going rate of 800k. i told her i wanted her company and would tip her well if i liked her. she seemed to be fine with it and we had a few more drinks. she started asking about playing pool but i am not going to lose money that way. she would undress if she lost. i told her i would give her a 100k if she simply would go upstairs and undress. she asked for 200k and we finally settled for 150k. figured out i would tip her a 100k anyhow for the nice 'chat' so for 50k more i got to see her completely nude! we went up. she took of her dress and panties and let me have a good look. she had a good body. nice pussy and firm butt cheeks. when she bent over to take off the panties i saw her pussy shimmer. umm she was wet. she walked teasingly and completely nude around the pool table and then came to sit on my lap. i fingered her again and, man, she was very wet. she then put on her clothes again and i was happy with what had happened. time to call it a night. bill was correct this time and i had 50k left of the budget i intended to use tonite so gave it to lien. she was happy. and i went back home.
very pleasant evening but also very clear this is pure business. they do not even hide it (like they do in thailand). it is all about the money but if you are smart you can get what you want. some want fs and bj, some are into other things but one should budget and manage the money well. only spend what you want to spend, ask and calculate how much your bill should be and learn how to continously say no. then you will be fine.
thanks to the contributors of the forum (john dao and others). you give me some very good advice which has made this evening a success.
cheers,
m.
[QUOTE=Mawin0820]Hey all,
Remember from the posts on this forum a massage with BBBJCIM would go for a total of 200K so no way I was going to pay that. So I give her 50K. She asked for 200K tip and then 100K when I refused. When I stuck to the 50K she started a whole drama show which was actually quite entertaining. "we not have salary only tip", throwing the money at the ground. Kept my cool and just walked out of there to settle the 100K downstairs. Walking out, she even opened up the door so it couldn't have been that bad. But a good experience for a newbie like me in Vietnam. No matter how sweet they are, it is ALL about the money.[/QUOTE]The place you went to is a 'high end' hot toc and I'm not surprised she was pissed off at your tip. BBBJCIM is done at places on a much lower level than this one and thus the cost is so low, plus the massage is terrible. You can't compare the two places. If you were so happy with the experience why didn't you tip her the correct amount for the 90 mins i guess you were in there? 150k would have been fine.
PS She has to open the door to keep her boss happy.
Mawin you are a tight **** giving us all a bad name.
You won't pay 200k, you [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
And you argue over 50k?
Why don't you stay home in future.
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[QUOTE=Phil Istine]Mawin you are a tight **** giving us all a bad name.
You won't pay 200k, you [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
And you argue over 50k?
Why don't you stay home in future.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was edited in accordance with the Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any [u]personal attacks or derogatory comments[/u] directed towards another Forum Member or the Forum Membership in general.[/blue][/QUOTE]"Do not tip too much", "Do not tip too little" definitely not easy being a newbie!.
Thks to ho chi minge for the honest feedback. In hinsight indeed probably made a mistake!
As for phil istine, if the P4P scene makes one so angry and cynical then maybe it is indeed a good idea I stay home!.
Bit harsh. In my opinion, out of his whole report, he made one mistake. So he short changed her 50k, whoop de do. He did his research and I believe he did well for his first time in Vietnam. The forums is full of reports on how much things cost and it was reasonable for him to reason that. There's not many legit places in Saigon so how was he to know.
With so many senior members bitching how newbies come here and inflate the prices and acting all superior. He did awesome. I'm sure he did better than you when you first came when you paid 500k for that blow job plus 100 to the house. I bet you read the forums, knew the going rate going in and caved when it came time to pay. You did this again and again before you cut back.
Don't be all mad because you probably have a inferiority complex trying to worry how "we" are perceived.
Marvin, well done dude.
[QUOTE=Mawin0820]Hey all,
Cheers,
M.[/QUOTE]
the report is detailed and well done, but to summarize it looks written by a cheap charlie...
there is no follow up to what happened when he went back to his hotel room alone.
after two months you come up with a tasting report
Leaving those girls with bits of tips?
It is of no big deal to say they are there for the money
What else did you expect? that they fall in love with you?
get a life!
You wasted their time
No wonder they need to get their time value back raising the prices or making it difficult to test the waters for a real deal.
So you felt her pubes but she was completely shaven....
Seriously please tell your gf NEVER leave you alone...EVER.
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Left my hand there for a while and she pushed her pubes against my hand while her hand started to rub my cock in my pants. After a few minutes she turned around. By now her mini skirt was pushed up to her hips and she sat down on the bar stool facing me and legs slightly open. Kept my hand where it was. She asked if wanted to see her pussy and she pulled her panties down so I could have a look. No wonder I could not see anything though her panties were quite see through. She was completely shaven.
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[QUOTE=Djle7159]Bit harsh. In my opinion, out of his whole report, he made one mistake. So he short changed her 50k, whoop de do. He did his research and I believe he did well for his first time in Vietnam. The forums is full of reports on how much things cost and it was reasonable for him to reason that. There's not many legit places in Saigon so how was he to know.
With so many senior members bitching how newbies come here and inflate the prices and acting all superior. He did awesome. I'm sure he did better than you when you first came when you paid 500k for that blow job plus 100 to the house. I bet you read the forums, knew the going rate going in and caved when it came time to pay. You did this again and again before you cut back.
Don't be all mad because you probably have a inferiority complex trying to worry how "we" are perceived.
Marvin, well done dude.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree, reading the forums and then over paying is bad, but equally as bad is reading the forum and then not being able to distinguish the difference. There are literally 100s of posts about the legit massage near ebn thanh market. There is also the issue of the girl working for 90mins and getting effectively 2 small meals.
I wouldn't say it was a huge crime but its not exactly fair. Use your common sense regarding these things. Tip 400k is silly, tip 50k is silly also. Plus its all reported prior.
Seems that you worry an stress over very small amounts of money. You do sound like a cheap charlie. As a general rule the tip is equal to the fee to the house. With that personality I don't know how your gf deals with you. If she isaviet girl.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minge]The place you went to is a 'high end' hot toc and I'm not surprised she was pissed off at your tip. BBBJCIM is done at places on a much lower level than this one and thus the cost is so low, plus the massage is terrible. You can't compare the two places. If you were so happy with the experience why didn't you tip her the correct amount for the 90 mins i guess you were in there? 150k would have been fine.
PS She has to open the door to keep her boss happy.[/QUOTE]
I've never gotten a "legit" massage in Vietnam before.
Is 100K to 200K Dong the correct tip for a non-sexual massage in the high end Hot Tocs? That's between 100% to 200%. Isn't this more than a decent job would pay in a day.
I thought you were supposed to tip between 100K to 200K Dong in the HBT bars after you fondle the girls. Same tipping range?
I was in Apocalypse Now last Saturday at midnight. It was packed. Good mixture of white and local girls.
I was in Go-2 Disco last night (Friday) at 2AM. It was packed. Mostly local FLs. Only a few white girls. It was dark, but it seems all the local girls were in their 20s, dressed nicely. But they were mostly 6s and couple of 7s. Where are all the 18 year old stunners? The good thing about that disco is that none of the girls were butt ugly; you need to outside for those girls. LOL!
In the Go-2 Disco on the weekends, they charge you 100K Dong for a coupon that gets you a drink. Funny how people buy their drinks downstairs, and are refused admission if they don't get the coupon; then they get very angry. This is somewhat of a rip-off since they don't have any signs that indicate this.
I have a semi-boycott of the Go-2 bars (although I do go to the disco upstairs because it offers something unique; I don't go to the downstairs bar). The Go-2 bars gets money from rip-off taxis to park on their territory and rip off their customers. They're already making so much money from the booze; expensive prices for that area; I say fuck the owners of Go-2 Bars!
[QUOTE=GreenBud]I've never gotten a "legit" massage in Vietnam before.
Is 100K to 200K Dong the correct tip for a non-sexual massage in the high end Hot Tocs? That's between 100% to 200%. Isn't this more than a decent job would pay in a day.
I thought you were supposed to tip between 100K to 200K Dong in the HBT bars after you fondle the girls. Same tipping range?[/QUOTE]
Well, there are a hundred ways to define what a decent job is here, but I would say one that pays at least $750-$1000 per month, which counting a five day week would be something like $35-$50 per day, so no, 100k ($5) or 200k ($10) is not more than a decent job would pay. But it's more than a factory worker or a waitress would get, although I would not consider either to be a decent job.
JD
[QUOTE=GreenBud]I've never gotten a "legit" massage in Vietnam before.
Is 100K to 200K Dong the correct tip for a non-sexual massage in the high end Hot Tocs? That's between 100% to 200%. Isn't this more than a decent job would pay in a day.[/QUOTE]There is legit massage out there, just difficult to find. Between 100. 200k for 90 mins of attention from a beautiful girl seems fair to me. I tip at the standard rate but if the service is good I don't mind going higher. Saying that, I've heard stories of rich viets tipping over a million to these girls, and thats just retarded.
In these three instances that he had that night, 1] legit high end massage, 2] a bar where you felt her up, 3]a bar where the girl was giving you attitude because you are wasting her time because you don't take her to a hotel and 4] another bar where you felt her up a lot and saw her naked. What would you tip?
Yes he short changed her. Sucks to be her but not the end of the world. She still gets paid more than others for what it is. I don't see how he is being a cheap charlie. Others who do similar work get less than she does and they do the same hours. I'm not talking about anything sexual. I know 2 girls who do something similar. One girl does tattooing and facials and assists the doctor when he does nose/boob jobs, etc. She gets paid 4 mill a month. Another girl, she does all sorts of cosmetology stuff. Like skin whitening, permanent hair removal, real facials, acne, etc. She gets paid 3 million a month. Both gets additional tips but it isn't much as its local people. But lets just say with wage and tips, they get 4-6 million a month.
High end legit massage. Lets go lowest which is bullshit. She makes 200k a day. Thats 6 mill a month. Equivalent to the other girls. So for 200k, she has to to do at most usually 2 customers. She is still doing a lot less work than the other two girls. If you are saying she should get paid for her time; for what it is, she did. Yes, she's prettier. She's more fortunate. She makes way to much for what it is though. These girls make 500usd and up easy. So I'm not going to feel to bad for them when a black guy goes in and doesn't tip at all [ this was told to me by 3 girls when I asked them how many customers they get a day and whats the usual range of tips and lowest. They say they're afraid to get black customers]. Its averages. It gets balanced by some show off tipping 500k.
Again, I don't think it was his intention anyway. So according to his post he gave girl 1] 50k, 2] 100k, 3]zero and 4] 200k (150k + his left over 50k. If he was cheap, he would of never gave that 50k) I think that he was just trying to do the best he can with the knowledge he had. I think everyone is being too hard on him. Add 50k to that first one and I think its all normal tips. Hes probably being to careful but I don't blame him for that either. Idk, let him explain himself.
Yes, I'm bored.
[QUOTE=Johndao]Well, there are a hundred ways to define what a decent job is here, but I would say one that pays at least $750-$1000 per month, which counting a five day week would be something like $35-$50 per day, so no, 100k ($5) or 200k ($10) is not more than a decent job would pay. But it's more than a factory worker or a waitress would get, although I would not consider either to be a decent job.
JD[/QUOTE]A waitress in Vietnam gets 1.5-2 million a month working all day. I think the girls from big quan nhaus get 1.2 million a shift [6 hrs] per month. Managers get 3 million and up depending where.computer guys get 300-500 USD. If you are quoting 1000 USD, we are talking doctors and lawyers.
I think a decent job here for competent local is receiving 6 million a month working 40 hrs a week.
NO WAY. Not in VN for a person to make $700-$1,000/month.
[QUOTE=danangguy]NO WAY. Not in VN for a person to make $700-$1,000/month.[/QUOTE]
The average bar girl will make double that in a month. A few years ago, before the economic downturn, they were making triple that. But for an uneducated girl working in a factory or cafe, you're talking around 2 million per month. A good job of a skilled/educated Viet would pay around 800k per month or less.
[QUOTE=Djle7159]Others who do similar work get less than she does and they do the same hours. I'm not talking about anything sexual. I know 2 girls who do something similar. One girl does tattooing and facials and assists the doctor when he does nose/boob jobs, etc. She gets paid 4 mill a month. Another girl, she does all sorts of cosmetology stuff. Like skin whitening, permanent hair removal, real facials, acne, etc. She gets paid 3 million a month. Both gets additional tips but it isn't much as its local people. But lets just say with wage and tips, they get 4-6 million a month.
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I dont think one can compare the bar girl hob having her pussy felt etc etc (not to mention being used) with another job with a similar amount of hours, being these the only matchinbg point.
[QUOTE=danangguy]NO WAY. Not in VN for a person to make $700-$1,000/month.[/QUOTE]Any manual labor job will make around, the minimum wage of, 1.6-2 million per month. A girl working in the bars and stuff will usually not have a "minimum" wage, but works purely off their tips. However, VNs make a lot more in respected fields. Teachers earn around 5-8 million per month. If you work in a corporate environment, their salaries can range widely based on position, size of company etc. But 15-20 million is between average and good. Being a valued employee with a large company and a high designated position will earn 20+million per month.
Ive compiled this information based on the salaries of my employees and the retrospective research that Ive have done.
[QUOTE=Bionicman]I dont think one can compare the bar girl hob having her pussy felt etc etc (not to mention being used) with another job with a similar amount of hours, being these the only matchinbg point.[/QUOTE]Reread what I wrote. Im comparing Le duyen like places and other massage, beauty places
[QUOTE=Doodie1]I made a visit to a bar last night and noticed a girl and her customer had disappeared. I know they didn't leave the place. Are there ST rooms on BV?[/QUOTE]Can I ask which bar this was? I am staying on Bui Vien and would be interested in a close option.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Djle7159]Reread what I wrote. Im comparing Le duyen like places and other massage, beauty places[/QUOTE]
my quote was on this
[QUOTE=Djle7159] Others who do similar work get less than she does and they do the same hours. I'm not talking about anything sexual. I know 2 girls who do something similar. One girl does tattooing and facials and assists the doctor when he does nose/boob jobs, etc. She gets paid 4 mill a month. Another girl, she does all sorts of cosmetology stuff.[/QUOTE]
but anyhow...not a big deal!
As I had to show gratefulness to a friend, I thought of inviting to a visit to one of these Nha Hang Om which are appreciated by the local mongers.
Since I lost track of this segment of the market, I resorted to a local connoisseur's advice.
He was right and gave good advice.
The late afternoon/ early evening unfolded as hoped for: Welcome by a nice mamma san, I had been introduced to her earlier by my connoisseur friend, take seat, beers coming, girls paraded upon request, choose a really nice to my taste one. Drink beers with the girls and your friend, play the lady, nothing hard in these establishments, good fun though, have dinner, a little more fun, by 8pm make arrangements for taking your lady out to the place of your choice for further enjoyment. One needs to have some Vn language and be accustomed to local habits though.
The place is in district 1, not obvious to find if not aware. The bill was 1. 6 million to the house, 1 ½ crates of beer, reasonable local food for 4. Tip 200 for mamma for good service and expected even better when returning, 300 to the lady, same expectation. Normal service rates 100 and 200 respectively.
This establishment and staff will be happy to receive more customers, It would be a pity though if this place was to be flooded by unaware and uneducated to Vn habits mongers, I do not disclose location here but PM me if interested to know details.
[QUOTE=Rob Doobing]
The place is in district 1, not obvious to find if not aware. The bill was 1. 6 million to the house, 1 ½ crates of beer, reasonable local food for 4. Tip 200 for mamma for good service and expected even better when returning, 300 to the lady, same expectation. Normal service rates 100 and 200 respectively.
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1.6 + all your tips, or was 1.6 your total?
I think it was 1.6 + tips, bia oms can be expensive, depending on how much you drink and eat. Beers usually start at 25k and up, good food but over priced. I love the bia oms, seems to be 3-4 on every block here in D5.
[QUOTE=Doodie1]I think it was 1.6 + tips, bia oms can be expensive, depending on how much you drink and eat. Beers usually start at 25k and up, good food but over priced. I love the bia oms, seems to be 3-4 on every block here in D5.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's different strokes for different folks e.g. $100+ for dinner and beer (no sex). Some would think it's great fun, others a waste.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao]Yes, it's different strokes for different folks e.g. $100+ for dinner and beer (no sex). Some would think it's great fun, others a waste.
JD[/QUOTE]
Some people think air conditioning is a luxury; for others it is essential.
Some people love cheap brothels and street action; others want high class, AC, and the thrill of a chase; others want only a HJ.
Some of us spend lots of money for entertainment of various types; others are frugal, cheap, or like to bargain.
Some like sex with anyone, just for the fun and pleasure. Others need certain atmosphere and comfort.
Hopefully we can all co-exist without bothering one another.
When I visited svypak, many years ago, people around there would say that
girls working at this place, svaypak, were rented by their parents, would that be true? I wonder were these girls work now, anybody?
Most of them were teenagers, I took many of them for a night. They would
never give you head. After warm up it was straight screw. I had my share
of bad, moody girls too, after a screw they would leave.
[QUOTE=Samu Ray]When I visited svypak, many years ago, people around there would say that
girls working at this place, svaypak, were rented by their parents, would that be true? I wonder were these girls work now, anybody?
Most of them were teenagers, I took many of them for a night. They would
never give you head. After warm up it was straight screw. I had my share
of bad, moody girls too, after a screw they would leave.[/QUOTE]
Well I googled for Svay Pak and discovered that it is a small place outside of Phnom Penh in Cambodia.
You might get more response from the Cambodia thread.
according to the isg cambodia forum sp has been shutdown/raided, reopened, shutdown etc. this was a place notorious for its "chicken farms" cheap sex and many **** workers. the impression i get from reading about it is to stay away...unless you want to get caught in a **** sting operation
[quote=sudsoz]well i googled for svay pak and discovered that it is a small place outside of phnom penh in cambodia.
you might get more response from the cambodia thread.[/quote]
Hi,
Can someone recommend some good bia om places?
There's mention of ones in d5 but without a name, address, or intersection, it would be hard to find for a tourist.
What can one do at the bia om's and how much should we tip? And expect the bill for food/drinks to be?
I'll be visiting in December.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Rob Doobing]As I had to show gratefulness to a friend, I thought of inviting to a visit to one of these Nha Hang Om which are appreciated by the local mongers.
Since I lost track of this segment of the market, I resorted to a local connoisseur's advice.
He was right and gave good advice.
The late afternoon/ early evening unfolded as hoped for: Welcome by a nice mamma san, I had been introduced to her earlier by my connoisseur friend, take seat, beers coming, girls paraded upon request, choose a really nice to my taste one. Drink beers with the girls and your friend, play the lady, nothing hard in these establishments, good fun though, have dinner, a little more fun, by 8pm make arrangements for taking your lady out to the place of your choice for further enjoyment. One needs to have some Vn language and be accustomed to local habits though.
The place is in district 1, not obvious to find if not aware. The bill was 1. 6 million to the house, 1 ½ crates of beer, reasonable local food for 4. Tip 200 for mamma for good service and expected even better when returning, 300 to the lady, same expectation. Normal service rates 100 and 200 respectively.
This establishment and staff will be happy to receive more customers, It would be a pity though if this place was to be flooded by unaware and uneducated to Vn habits mongers, I do not disclose location here but PM me if interested to know details.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Outinsg]Hi,
Can someone recommend some good bia om places?
There's mention of ones in d5 but without a name, address, or intersection, it would be hard to find for a tourist.
What can one do at the bia om's and how much should we tip? And expect the bill for food/drinks to be?
I'll be visiting in December.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Bia oms are every where in D5 and surrounding areas. I imagine there are 3-4 on every block in D5. Prices vary from place to place anywhere from 25k-30k a beer, do the math considering how much you drink. My favorite spot is on Tran Hung Dao, but there are 100's if not 1000's of them. Addy 564 THD P2 Q5. As for what goes on I have been to places where the girls strip down and shower themselves with beer and I have heard about the bj ones but have never found one.
[QUOTE=Doodie1]As for what goes on I have been to places where the girls strip down and shower themselves with beer and I have heard about the bj ones but have never found one.[/QUOTE]
Yes as long as the customer is paying for the beer (usually pretty inflated prices) they will drink it, spill it, pour it all over, invite others in to drink it. . . They make commission on beer. . .
JD
[QUOTE=Doodie1]Bia oms are every where in D5 and surrounding areas. I imagine there are 3-4 on every block in D5. Prices vary from place to place anywhere from 25k-30k a beer, do the math considering how much you drink. My favorite spot is on Tran Hung Dao, but there are 100's if not 1000's of them. Addy 564 THD P2 Q5. As for what goes on I have been to places where the girls strip down and shower themselves with beer and I have heard about the bj ones but have never found one.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation.
Would tipping each girl 100k be sufficient?
Any other bia om places from anyone else they'd recommend?
Once again, thanks.
[QUOTE=Outinsg]Thanks for the recommendation.
Would tipping each girl 100k be sufficient?
Any other bia om places from anyone else they'd recommend?
Once again, thanks.[/QUOTE]
I too have yet to find any Bia Om's with in house BBBJs. I would stay away from the bia om's on THD in D1 though. I've been to a few, and they were all such rip offs borderline robbery. Of course, once you walk in, as a white guy, they are gonna see money. They will try and open every bag of chips, nuts, snack they can find and charge you for it weather or not you ate it or not. My recommendation, when you walk into the room, if you dont want them, tell the right away and they will take it away from the room. Ive been to places where they brought out a whole duck along with other food and I never even asked for any food, but they said they thought I was hungry, then they tried to charge me 2mil for the duck. The places in D5 seem to be ok, but again, Im looking for BBBJs. So if anyone has ANY info on that, please post, or PM me. They are out there.
Prices for beer are a bit inflated, but I think par compared to other types of places (karaoke om's, nha hang's, karaoke restaurants). It also depends on what you drink. 333 is the cheapest, but I cant stand it. Ken or Tiger would be the most expensive 30-40k per bottle. Saigon Red is about 20-30k.
[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]I too have yet to find any Bia Om's with in house BBBJs. I would stay away from the bia om's on THD in D1 though. I've been to a few, and they were all such rip offs borderline robbery. Of course, once you walk in, as a white guy, they are gonna see money. They will try and open every bag of chips, nuts, snack they can find and charge you for it weather or not you ate it or not. My recommendation, when you walk into the room, if you dont want them, tell the right away and they will take it away from the room. Ive been to places where they brought out a whole duck along with other food and I never even asked for any food, but they said they thought I was hungry, then they tried to charge me 2mil for the duck. The places in D5 seem to be ok, but again, Im looking for BBBJs. So if anyone has ANY info on that, please post, or PM me. They are out there.
Prices for beer are a bit inflated, but I think par compared to other types of places (karaoke om's, nha hang's, karaoke restaurants). It also depends on what you drink. 333 is the cheapest, but I cant stand it. Ken or Tiger would be the most expensive 30-40k per bottle. Saigon Red is about 20-30k.[/QUOTE]Do you have bia om places in D5 you'd recommend?
[QUOTE=Outinsg]Do you have bia om places in D5 you'd recommend?[/QUOTE]
Yes I can recommend a few places all over the city, but why are you so keen on District 5? Im not a big fan of D5 myself, its predominately Chinese.
[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]Yes I can recommend a few places all over the city, but why are you so keen on District 5? Im not a big fan of D5 myself, its predominately Chinese.[/QUOTE]Doesn't have to be d5. Just heard that's where all the bia om's are. Could be anywhere as long it's fun with hot girls. Thanks for the info. I'm there for 2 weeks with some friends and we want to make good use of our time.
[QUOTE=Outinsg]Doesn't have to be d5. Just heard that's where all the bia om's are. Could be anywhere as long it's fun with hot girls. Thanks for the info. I'm there for 2 weeks with some friends and we want to make good use of our time.[/QUOTE]
The best time I've ever had was at a place in D1. On Ly Tu Trong at the corner of Chu Manh Trinh. The girls there were absolutely stunning! Plus there are lots of girls available to choose from. This place is in a touristy kind of area though and is slightly more expensive than places in D.5. I'd say its around 1.8-2 million all in all for everything, including your tips for the girls. Girls there usually prefer you take them out to mini-hotels than in-room services, but anything is negotiable.
Hi Guys,
First time posting, Long time observer. Just thought i'd shed some light on my recent misfortunes here in HCM.
After reading up on the forums, I decided to head out first night to HBT to have some drinks and checkout the scene. Unfortunately, I did not have much luck that night as I started at about 11pm.
I decided to hop into a cab and search for the hot tocs at DBP. Cab drivers had no idea what I meant when I said hot toc and B***ys and the other both were shut. I signalled to the guy 'boom boom' 'lady lady' and soon found myself on the way to nearby Ben Thanh district.
After pulling over, cab driver got out spoke with some lady who asked me how long I wanted for. I said overnight hoping to hear a price and then argue that I wanted just short time to get my price down. at first she said 1.5 mill. I said 'no too expensive, it should be 500' she said 'ok ok 1.2 mill' she was talking to the cab driver and obviously he was getting a cut. I was fed up and just agreed to do it and gave in. It seemed that important to me at the time.
Along comes this cute looking viet girl speaking not a word of english. Jumps in the cab and then we are off to some hotel. We get in the room, shower, and she asks that I pay the money. I do it.
Then starts the whole vietnamese talk, I did not understand a word. She would not stop talking vietnamese as if I understood. Keeps stopping in the middle of 'proceeding' to blow me. All she was doing was licking my tip and im thinking 'how long is this going to go on for'. I end up fed up and signal for her to get things moving. She gets on top and then the next problem appears, 'she cant even fit'.
It was the worst service I ever had. She still kept talking to me and I couldnt understand a word. I felt so ripped off and stupid. I just got bored and called it a night.
Took a rest next night and then decided to hit up the trio bars on HBT. Went in to the famous stunners one at about midnight. I sat down with an attitude that I would not get suckered in this time. A girl came up to me, looking pretty, quite young (20 i think) bar girl asked if lady drink I said no. (I figured if I go for the first girl I see then they will think i am horny and desperate.)
I sat down ordered a drink, then another. Lit a cigarette. By now I was thinking I would be approached but they all walked past failing to notice. I figured the first girl was the most polite and that i'd just settle for her since she originally had intent. I signaled the bargirl to call her and next thing I know I was buying her drinks. After second lady drink all I was getting was broken conversation and small chat. She was telling me she was tired and tomorrow etc. etc. so I decided when she left I'd try some other girl. Only, about at the second drink the bar girl came up and asked if I wanted to take her to hotel. She said drinks were 30k each and LD was 50k. Bar fine was 400k and the girl was 1.2mill. I tried to bargain but once again found myself confused with little leverage.
I agreed. The situation turned from the girl being tired to the girl being up for fucking the life out of me for ST (about 1-2 hours). I pay the money there and then. Head to the ST hotel and pay the driver? Next thing I know we are in the room I shower she showers. her name was T*a. Didnt want to let me oral her but after some forcing she relented. Gave BBBJ which felt quite good but was constantly looking at the clock and just stopped all of a sudden and asked me to put on condom. Her phone kept ringing. I start to f**k her and she was very tight. Seemed to be liking it. Went on for about 15 minutes. next thing I know she tells me to stop. tell me it hurt her alot and that she cannot continue. Keeps talking on the phone. Says she has to go blah blah blah.
I look at the clock and its been just 40 min! I said 'but it's only been 40 minutes?' she kept complaining.
I shower and leave and felt like the biggest idiot ever.
Is it just me or is every girl not interested in sex at all or being with a man for that matter and just wants to lie and cheat?
Am I doing something wrong? thats my report.
[QUOTE=Reveala]Hi Guys,
First time posting, Long time observer. Just thought I'd shed some light on my recent misfortunes here in HCM.
[/QUOTE]
Reveala,
Great report and very detailed. Thanks for sharing it with us. I won't repeat it here just to comment on it. Got that D Cups? No need to quote someone's entire report or post just to say thanks.
It shows clearly the difficulty of newbie mongering here in VN. That is by design. This is not Thailand or the PI.
Guys, don't go out looking for this stuff so late. VN closes down early for the most part. Blow and Gos are almost all closed by 10 PM. The HBT bars are full of tired girls who don't want to work, they just expect to get paid. For mongering, go to a neighboring county. If you must be here for business and want an easy score, the HBT bars will usually be ok. Don't hit them so late, pay after, don't go for the youngest and cutest.
About your girl who was talking non-stop at the hotel? She was telling you she does not know what she is doing there, she was visiting her friend and this woman came and grabbed her and said she'd give her 300k Dong to go with you and do what you want, but she does not know anything about sex, she has not done this before, she does not understand what you want or how to do it, blah, blah, blah.
JD
[QUOTE=Reveala]...It was the worst service I ever had. She still kept talking to me and I couldnt understand a word. I felt so ripped off and stupid. I just got bored and called it a night.
Took a rest next night and then decided to hit up the trio bars on HBT. Went in to the famous stunners one at about midnight. I sat down with an attitude that I would not get suckered in this time. A girl came up to me, looking pretty, quite young (20 i think) bar girl asked if lady drink I said no. (I figured if I go for the first girl I see then they will think i am horny and desperate.)
...[/QUOTE]
Frank and honest report.
Chiming in on what JD said in the previous post about this not being 'Thailand or the PI'...
Here's a few more things you should know about (mongering in) Vietnam:
1. If they think they can cheat you of even 1 Vietnamese Dong, they will, or at least try. Get my drift?
2. By walking into the HBT bars at midnight, they already [b]know[/b] you are horny and desperate. Then refer to #1 above. :D
A quick early dinner, then hit the karaokes/nha hang/bia om/cafes/massage parlours and pick a freshly made-up girl. That's the timing in these parts - around 8 pm is prime time. 9 pm latest. Few exceptions to this, such as the more 'western' type bars and clubs.
Around midnight and most people would have just gotten checked-in to their favourite love pad with their take-away meal for the night.
3. Never, ever, pay the SP (Service Provider) prior to the render of service. This applies anywhere and everywhere in the world. If the SP or the establishment in question is worth their salt, they will all honour this rule.
Admittedly I have slipped on this rule a few times. Each and every time you pay before the service, you lose the control of the situation. Lose control of the situation you lose the SPs motivation to provide you with any level of service at all.
In my books if the SP insists on being paid upfront, the deal is over. That's it that's all.
[QUOTE=Raverboy]Frank and honest report.
3. Never, ever, pay the SP (Service Provider) prior to the render of service. This applies anywhere and everywhere in the world. If the SP or the establishment in question is worth their salt, they will all honour this rule.
Admittedly I have slipped on this rule a few times. Each and every time you pay before the service, you lose the control of the situation. Lose control of the situation you lose the SPs motivation to provide you with any level of service at all.
In my books if the SP insists on being paid upfront, the deal is over. That's it that's all.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you completly, Raverboy. If a SP requires payment upfront, I'll walk away. Only bad things can happen from paying upfront. The girls either lose complete desire to please, cuz now they have the money, or after you are finished, they will ask for more, even if you have agreed on a certain price. They will say they need money for a taxi, a bowl of noodles, cellphone credits. I've heard many excuses.
If I were you, I would go back to the bar on HBT and complain to the mamasan. Tell her what happened, that the girl was on the phone the whole time, and left early.
Thats just my 2 cents. But Reveala, thanks for your post and I hope you find better luck next time.
[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]The best time I've ever had was at a place in D1. On Ly Tu Trong at the corner of Chu Manh Trinh. The girls there were absolutely stunning! Plus there are lots of girls available to choose from. This place is in a touristy kind of area though and is slightly more expensive than places in D.5. I'd say its around 1.8-2 million all in all for everything, including your tips for the girls. Girls there usually prefer you take them out to mini-hotels than in-room services, but anything is negotiable.[/QUOTE]thanks. so tip is 100k for each girl? i've seen videos where the girls take off all their clothes at these bia om places. does this happen there? is tip more if they take everything off?
A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? Also (I think I posted this question in the wrong section before, sorry). Does somebody know the address of Smileys? I googled, but nada. I will arrive in HCMC first trip to VN this Sunday. From reading the posts I'm thinking best places for action in HCMC at the moment are Smileys and Apocalypse now? What about Sheraton (42 or 24 lounge) and/or Caravelle?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Bali1111]A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? Also (I think I posted this question in the wrong section before, sorry). Does somebody know the address of Smileys? I googled, but nada. I will arrive in HCMC first trip to VN this Sunday. From reading the posts I'm thinking best places for action in HCMC at the moment are Smileys and Apocalypse now? What about Sheraton (42 or 24 lounge) and/or Caravelle?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Bali,
Q-Bar doesn't have any "action" in terms of P4P, but it is a nice bar. It is on the side of the Opera House across the street from the German Brewery and Chinese restaurant. They do make some good drinks there and have a few appetizers to order, but the prices are a bit on the hi side.
"Apocalypse now"??? Yes, it's a great place if you wan to average looking girls, with bad attitudes and require lots of money. I hate going there! period.
[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]Bali,
Q-Bar doesn't have any "action" in terms of P4P, but it is a nice bar. It is on the side of the Opera House across the street from the German Brewery and Chinese restaurant. They do make some good drinks there and have a few appetizers to order, but the prices are a bit on the hi side.
"Apocalypse now"??? Yes, it's a great place if you wan to average looking girls, with bad attitudes and require lots of money. I hate going there! period.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Apocalypse from reading posts seems path of ease and least resistance. Only in HCMC 2 days. More time for Nha trang hue hoian Hanoi halong bay. I want to try to knock all tourist sites in HCMC in 2 days so don't know have time for lingering w SW or MOTO girls. Which club if any please have higher quality and less attitude? If bit more expensive but better is ok. I'll use the $ I saved flying coach instead of biz! Lastly. Any girl on girl action in VN? (I know. Its not BKG)
[QUOTE=Bali1111]A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? ...[/QUOTE]
Yes, there's a ton of action here... for fudgepackers. Oops I mean cocklovers.
Unless you're willing to look over them and targer their hot, mostly straight female model friends-in-tow. ;)
[QUOTE=Bali1111]A girl I've been chatting with in HCMC (met on facebook) is telling me I should go to a place called Q-Bar. I guess it's in the opera house across from the Caravelle. Any action here? Also (I think I posted this question in the wrong section before, sorry). Does somebody know the address of Smileys? I googled, but nada. I will arrive in HCMC first trip to VN this Sunday. From reading the posts I'm thinking best places for action in HCMC at the moment are Smileys and Apocalypse now? What about Sheraton (42 or 24 lounge) and/or Caravelle?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Sorry Bali but you've got a list of the worst places, not the best. There is no 'action' so to speak in any of these places as you will find when you get there although you may meet some very pushy and expensive FL at AN.
JD
I have some business partners coming to VN this week and they have specifically asked me about bia om's. I guess they've been to one before or they have heard about them. BUT, they are looking for the shops with BBBJs there on premises, where the girls don't mind getting wild in front of each other. If anyone has any info, please let me know, I will probably be taking them out mid-week. Any info would be appreciated, you can also PM if desired.
[QUOTE=Alwayshard45]I have some business partners coming to VN this week and they have specifically asked me about bia om's. I guess they've been to one before or they have heard about them. BUT, they are looking for the shops with BBBJs there on premises, where the girls don't mind getting wild in front of each other. If anyone has any info, please let me know, I will probably be taking them out mid-week. Any info would be appreciated, you can also PM if desired.[/QUOTE]From my personal experience, I find that you are better off going to a Bia Om for fun then going to another place, say masage parlor, for the action. Bia Om with action either have girls you rather not spend time with or the going rate is going to be very high. Having said that, there are always girls in most places that will go with customers but most will not. However, those that are willing are most likely will not be the girl that has been entertaining you all night. You are better off asking the manager (mamasan) up front to only show you those who are available.
So after several days in Saigon I finally had the urge last night to go look for some action. At first I went to Bin Bin but didn't find anyone to my liking (I'm very picky on looks), except for this one girl that was okay but she said she wasn't working that night because of something about blood and that I should try again tomorrow she might be okay then so I left.
Next I went to bar 91 on hbt. When I walked in I overheard several girls mentioned I was cute, which I thought was a good sign =). Most people here don't seem to realize I'm Vietnamese, they always think I'm Japanese or Chinese at first. There were a couple girls that were to my liking but I picked out a really gorgeous 20 year old, she was probably one of the cutest girl I've seen in Vietnam so far. However, right off the bat her attitude was very poor. I notice that the other girls acted very friendly and touchy-feely with their customers, however, this girl mainly just sat back and spoke very little. She was also having a hard time understanding my Vietnamese. She didn't seem like she wanted to be there or with me and I even asked her this several times but she only gave some generic response that I don't even remember.
Even with the poor service I still asked her out, she said that she only do short term and that it costs 1, 200, 000 for one hour plus 400, 000 for the bar fine. I told her I thought the price was only 1, 000, 000 for short time but she basically replied by saying who's the one that is doing it for 1, 000, 000 and that the price is fixed by the bar, and something to the effect that I should fine another girl if I don't like it. After thinking about it I agreed on the price since she was really my type looks wise.
So she said she was going to go change and what happened after that got a bit confusing. She came back unchanged and sat back down not saying anything so I asked her I thought she was going to change. She said something to the affect that mamasan is not letting her go out and I think something about already having a customer later. I asked her if she already has a customer later why did she agreed to sit down with me. But then she said something to the affect that I'll have to wait until 1 am when the bar closes and that she can meet me at my hotel so we exchange information. I decided to leave and they only charged me 130, 000 for my drink and two drinks for the girl which I thought was a little weird since early she mentioned there was a 400, 000 bar fine. The girl asked for a tip so I gave her a 100, 000 hoping to grease the wheels a little bit for later. I sort of lost track of time so I didn't realize it was already passed midnight when I left, if I had known I probably would had stayed until closing but oh well.
So I went back to my hotel and waited. After 1:15am with no call from her I decided to give her a call but she didn't pick up. Tried three more times that night and once this morning and still no answer. Is it normal that a girl doesn't show up even after agreeing to meet? Should I go back there today and make a big deal of it? I'm not a person who like confrontation so I might just let it go, maybe try Bin Bin again tonight since at least you can do it on the premises. Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Vodich]So I went back to my hotel and waited. After 1:15am with no call from her I decided to give her a call but she didn't pick up. Tried three more times that night and once this morning and still no answer. Is it normal that a girl doesn't show up even after agreeing to meet? Should I go back there today and make a big deal of it? I'm not a person who like confrontation so I might just let it go, maybe try Bin Bin again tonight since at least you can do it on the premises. Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
The short answer to your first question is: Yes it is normal.
The answer to your second: Absolutely not.
The third: I don't know.
The girl obviously was not interested from the start. Attitude will always trump looks in these attempted arrangements. The better looking a girl is, the more options she has, both in the bar and in life in general, right?
JD
So I went back to my hotel and waited. After 1:15am with no call from her I decided to give her a call but she didn't pick up. Tried three more times that night and once this morning and still no answer. Is it normal that a girl doesn't show up even after agreeing to meet? Should I go back there today and make a big deal of it? I'm not a person who like confrontation so I might just let it go, maybe try Bin Bin again tonight since at least you can do it on the premises. Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
Thanks[/QUOTE]This is going to sound wrong, but the mistake you made was speaking 'Vietnamese'. Fine they think you're Japanese, what have you, then it's best you play along and just speak English.
These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance.
The girl's attitude prob came from knowing that you were Vietnamese and wanted to get rid of you (by being in different), but having said so, you should've never caved into a bad attitude working girl. She would've given you trouble in bed.
Prob not worth your time or hassle.
[QUOTE=Vodich]Does anyone know the price for going upstairs at Bin Bin?
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Where did you hear that you can 'go upstairs' at Bin Bin? As far as I know, there's a billiard table upstairs on 1st level, and then further up they have rooms with low-level tables where you sit on the floor, normally for groups. I've asked in the past about what options are available upstairs and been told that you need to take the girl to a hotel. There's a place that does have that option (49 Dong Khoi), but not Bin Bin as far as I know. Or at least not the last time I checked. Anyone else can confirm? (or can you?)
About whether it's normal to get stood up, I wouldn't say it's 'normal' exactly -- most times the girl will just meet you as you agreed on. But getting stood up isn't unheard of. For me it's been rare but has happened. Much more common is the girl not showing up at the agreed-on time, but then showing up very late with some excuse. (when the real deal is almost surely that she did another customer right before you) But to me it sounds pretty clear this girl was one of the spoiled ones at 91, and that she wasn't too keen on going with you since she could probably earn more (and get more prestige in teh bar) by going with some obviously well-off Japanese or Korean customer later on. She's probably the kind of girl who always gets picked, where the other ones who were friendlier are the ones who have to try harder, or who usually don't get picked. That's one bar that lets the girls do whatever they like, treat a customer badly no problem. As long as they have the hottest lineup, and remains the preferred destination of the East Asian business class, it's probably not going to change. FYI, I get treated pretty badly in there, to the point that I probably won't go again. Once I asked the papasan guy if I could sit with a certain girl, he went over to where she was sitting, came back and told me she wouldn't sit with me, I would have to choose a different girl. This is after years of giving them regular business. Minutes later 2 (probably) Japanese guys came in and sat at the bar, and the papasan called out a lineup for them to choose from, including all the girls in the bar. This is 91.
So the question whether you should go back to the bar and make a stink about it, JD is right, no way. First, you arranged to meet her after closing time, which is a way of denying the bar their barfine, and they don't like that too much. And you can probably tell from my story that the whole staff and the girls at the bar are more likely to just laugh at you and even heckle you for this complaint than to give you any satisfaction or apology.
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"These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance."[/QUOTE]
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Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. in the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao]Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. in the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD[/QUOTE]
No secret for sure, but most HBT bars have a rule agains the girls servicing Viet customers. I was told by one of the owners it was a understanding between the bar owners and the powers that be.
[QUOTE=Adhome01]No secret for sure, but most HBT bars have a rule agains the girls servicing Viet customers. I was told by one of the owners it was a understanding between the bar owners and the powers that be.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I figured it out on my own a little too late especially after not getting offered "extra service" at the massage place across the street from 91. The girl at the massage place even asked if I had spoken Vietnamese to the receptionist when I came in. I asked her why she was asking me that question and she answered, "for no particular reason", but I pretty much understood why by then.
The girl at 91 seemed like she was willing to leave with me and had originally went and tried to get dress but it seemed the mamasan wouldn't let her. I even heard her pleading to the mamasan to let her go out when I was heading out. She also called me the next day at 8pm but I was at the massage place and didn't hear her call, when I called her back she again didn't pick up.
I didn't have problems in Hanoi and Hue when I spoke in Vietnamese so I didn't know it was going to be an issue in Saigon. Though when I asked for a massage girl to my room at the Hanoi Hotel she did mentioned that they didn't allow it for Vietnamese people, luckily I had spoken in English when I made the call. However, when I had gone to the massage room at the hotel the day before I had spoken Vietnamese all the way and had no issues with getting "extra service". Also didn't have any issues in Hue and I spoke completely in Vietnamese.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Where did you hear that you can 'go upstairs' at Bin Bin? As far as I know, there's a billiard table upstairs on 1st level, and then further up they have rooms with low-level tables where you sit on the floor, normally for groups. I've asked in the past about what options are available upstairs and been told that you need to take the girl to a hotel. There's a place that does have that option (49 Dong Khoi), but not Bin Bin as far as I know. Or at least not the last time I checked. Anyone else can confirm? (or can you?)[/QUOTE]Sorry, I might had misunderstood this post you made ([url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=961351&postcount=282[/url]). When you said, "It has more floors upstairs for further entertainment", I thought that meant there was more going on upstairs.
[QUOTE=Adhome01]No secret for sure, but most HBT bars have a rule agains the girls servicing Viet customers. I was told by one of the owners it was a understanding between the bar owners and the powers that be.[/QUOTE]Hey JD.
These bars are definitely not a secret to anyone at all. I'm sure that there are some well paid 'officials' out there who keep an eye out.
What I was referring to (also at the massage place's up nearby the airport) was that they have an understanding that there will be NO local customers. The fear is that word would spread too quickly and hence chaos ensured, also the reputation that prostitution being illegal in VN.
They keep it 'foreigners' only, so one day if ever they choose, they could close these places down and blame them as 'foreign influenced evils'.
Locals are provided with SW, as this only seems like a local guy going to the hotel with his 'girl friend'... + bia oms, cafe oms, hoc toc, .etc.
Vodich.
It happen to me too. I'm also a Vietkieu and when I got to HBT 91, it seems like the girls ignored me. Didn't even come over to talk, but if there is a "western" guy coming inside, all the girls stand up and do their parade.
Didn't thought it would be so difficult to have some fun and get rit of some money in Saigon. Haha.
[QUOTE=Tqbd69; 1101920]Vodich.
It happen to me too. I'm also a Vietkieu and when I got to HBT 91, it seems like the girls ignored me. Didn't even come over to talk, but if there is a "western" guy coming inside, all the girls stand up and do their parade.
Didn't thought it would be so difficult to have some fun and get rit of some money in Saigon. Haha. [/QUOTE]I'm surprised they let you in at all. They have a strict rule against allowing Viet's in the HBT bars. Last night, I happened to be talking to an owner of one of the bars on that street. He confirmed they aren't allowed to go with anyone who looks Viet. He said it's sometimes hard to tell if someone is a National or Viet Kieu, so they won't let either in. It's an arragement they have with the local authorities.
I left you my number so PM or text me. I can help you out.
Did my first punt two days ago at 91.
I picked out a nice chick called Kar (or Gar?). Very smooth skin and nice shape, long hair and pretty face. Says she was 20 yo. Enjoyed doggie with her, but she was a bit reluctant to do the things I wanted (for example, I wanted to doggie her while standing up, facing the mirror and she initially refused). So I decided I'm not booking her again.
As soon as I'd finished with Kar, I went straight back to the shop and picked out another number. An 18 yo chick (really). I saw her I'd, called My and her attitude was better, she was a bit more compliant. This girl, My, looks exactly like HK actress / singer Kelly Chen except that she's less than half her age. Her only flaw was that she had quite a bit of hair on her legs for an asian girl. But I didn't let that put me off. Also, she was VERY bushy. I mean she had almost as much hair around her snatch as she had on her head. Again, I didn't care.
I went back to 91 yesterday, to book My again only because she's so young.
The staff at 91 and I are getting to know each other quite well. I just did my fourth booking from that shop today. My best girl so far; in fact the only one so far who's given me any kind of GFE at all. In fact I was so impressed with her, I'm planning on booking her for a LT session. Unfortunately, I don't know how to write her name or even pronounce it. It's very tricky.
But am I paying too much? At 91, they're asking for:
$60 ST +
$20 barfine +
$5 drinks +
$10 tip.
The first time I went there, the manager (youngish girl with a round face) didn't ask for the tip, but she's doing it now. Also, the first time I went, I tried my hardest to bargain down the $60, but they wouldn't budge. Not one little inch. Now I realize it's possible to get FS for less here; but for 91, is this too much?
But am I paying too much? At 91, they're asking for:
$60 ST +
$20 barfine +
$5 drinks +
$10 tip.
The fact that you have returned there 4 times kinda answer's your own question. Too much? Well, it all depends on whether you are willing to do the work. Ie. Go out to the districts OR go to a bar / club and befriend a lady. If that's all too much work, then your $95 might not seem too much to you.
For seasoned people who have been in HCMC for a while. $95 ST is TOO much.
[QUOTE=Mash Potatoes; 1102603]But am I paying too much? At 91, they're asking for:
$60 ST +
$20 barfine +
$5 drinks +
$10 tip.
The fact that you have returned there 4 times kinda answer's your own question. Too much? Well, it all depends on whether you are willing to do the work. Ie. Go out to the districts OR go to a bar / club and befriend a lady. If that's all too much work, then your $95 might not seem too much to you.
For seasoned people who have been in HCMC for a while. $95 ST is TOO much. [/QUOTE]Actually it is well more than $95 he is paying as he is probably buying at least 4 drinks, not one. In addition, he did not mention hotel cost of the place the girl brings him. At least $20 for what is probably an $8-10 room. Certainly there is no tip needed at these already inflated prices. But if he is happy in these tourist and business visitor places, then he is happy.
Does anyone have any info on Kim's Bar, in an alley off of Thai Van Lung St? Girls? Prices, what's possible, etc?
Thanks,
JD
For $95 I would get the bus to Cambodia $12 stay in a hotel $15 get two viet Hookers $15 each spend $25 on drinks and get the bus back $13.
[QUOTE=Johndao;1100284][/QUOTE]"These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance."[/QUOTE]_________________________________.
Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. In the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD[/QUOTE]Maybe they are not much of a secret but being somehow unable to have a cop getting a service they cannot get the evidence.
If the MP caters for men and this is legitimate, how to prove they are doing something illegal? A regular flow of men is nothing special, just a sign of good business. .
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1103364]"These girls/Mamasan's don't do Vietnamese customer's. It's not a racial thing, but these bars on HBT are solely catered for 'foreigners' only. Vietnamese customers could end up being cops, informers, govt officials etc. So they just don't take the chance."[/QUOTE]_________________________________.
Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. In the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD[/QUOTE]Maybe they are not much of a secret but being somehow unable to have a cop getting a service they cannot get the evidence.
If the MP caters for men and this is legitimate, how to prove they are doing something illegal? A regular flow of men is nothing special, just a sign of good business. . [/QUOTE]They are no secret to the police or anyone but there are rules for the locals and they will make some small exceptions for tourists. Visiting an openly morally wrong place like one of these bars is one of them.
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1102856]Actually it is well more than $95 he is paying as he is probably buying at least 4 drinks, not one. In addition, he did not mention hotel cost of the place the girl brings him......[/QUOTE]Not really. I limited myself to a max of one drink per person. Also, I specifically selected a GF hotel, hence no extra room cost.
And all of you are correct: $100 is too much. I decided $100 is just too much to pay for a shag in a third world country. I decided in the end that I'm boycotting the bars, esp as there seem to be so many ******s in them. I'm not rubbing shoulders with them. For example, I happened to be strolling past a bar in Pham Ngu Lao (backpacker district) the other night and it had some hotties hanging out at the front. But when I glanced inside, the only customers I could see were all ******s.
[QUOTE=Shadow6491; 1103391]_________________________________.
Do you really think that these HBT bars, operating openly on Hai Ba Trung St. In the heart of the tourist district in D1 for over 15 years are some kind of 'secret' from the 'powers-that-be' you mention above?
JD[/QUOTE]Maybe they are not much of a secret but being somehow unable to have a cop getting a service they cannot get the evidence.
If the MP caters for men and this is legitimate, how to prove they are doing something illegal? A regular flow of men is nothing special, just a sign of good business. . [/QUOTE]They are no secret to the police or anyone but there are rules for the locals and they will make some small exceptions for tourists. Visiting an openly morally wrong place like one of these bars is one of them. [/QUOTE]On principle I never believe that LE does not know what is going on in bars, saunas, MP's around Asia.
They do know.
But sometime. Depends on the country. They might need an evidence.
Sometime rais are unsuccessfull as someone rings the venue place before. .
So it can be possible. I am not saying it is a rule. That som epalces prefer not to mix locals and farangs to prevent a raid with farangs in!
Has anyone visited this bar in an alley off Thai Van Lung St? If so, could you let me know the deal there as far as the girls who either work there or hang out there go? PM, or reply here please.
Thanks,
JD
You can see and chat with some nice girls at Voodoo Bar on HTM St in D1. Thuy (tone up) is a nice and very skinny girl with dark skin and unusually large breasts for one so slim. She has braces on her teeth and while she is not what I would call beautiful, she is attractive and sexy and speaks English well enough. Hai is shorter and whiter and also very slim. She has really large eyes. Huge eyes in fact and her English is bordering on excellent. Even with the music, she seems to understand whatever you say, although there is some sadness about her, like she is trying hard to improve herself and learn English well, but she is stuck only working as a bartender at night.
I saw many other girls there as well, including one with huge blow-up style fake tits and another very cute, kind of nerdy looking one with glasses.
Girls seem to move between this place and Moon Bar on Pasteur and Chili Pub also on HTM. They don't seem to change with the Number 5 Bar girls.
Beers start at around 30k, maybe 25k for draught. Bottles are around 900k.
JD
On a recent night during Tet holiday when almost nothing was open around town, I spotted a quite nice looking girl (in a dress and high-heels) who entered Go2 bar and went upstairs. I followed, but never did pop the question. She did seem to be working. So my question: what are the expected prices these days for girls in Go2?
[QUOTE=Wendella;1124918]On a recent night during Tet holiday when almost nothing was open around town, I spotted a quite nice looking girl (in a dress and high-heels) who entered Go2 bar and went upstairs. I followed, but never did pop the question. She did seem to be working. So my question: what are the expected prices these days for girls in Go2?[/QUOTE]I think it's about $100 USD. The same as at the other tourist traps and short-timer places around HBT St. Although those girls at Go2 get to keep all or most of it if they are really FL. Just a smaller commission to pay.
JD
[QUOTE=Bionicman]But sometime. Depends on the country. They might need an evidence.
Sometime rais are unsuccessfull as someone rings the venue place before. . [/QUOTE]I think this has nothing to do with needing evidence. Its all about the bribe money. Who pays, who pays well and when they stop paying. They will be shut down. Simple as that.
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1124982]I think it's about $100 USD. The same as at the other tourist traps and short-timer places around HBT St. Although those girls at Go2 get to keep all or most of it if they are really FL. Just a smaller commission to pay.
JD[/QUOTE]Not sure, man. Go2 is BACKPACKER area. Pham Ngu Lao has always been a lower rung place to pick up pricewise. When it was 200-250 near the bridge and other spots like that, PNL was 300. I once got the absolute hottest girl I ever took back on De Tham, just 250. Maybe 4 yrs ago. She was one of these who worked a week or so and quit. Never did see her again. She didn't even have a phone. Yeah, you get outrageous "offers" everywhere of course, if they think you're a tourist and might bite (and that describes some of the guys who post here, the ones who are in and out, and aren't familiar with the bottom lines -- which is where you could have heard that it was $100 at Go2). So I guess I'm asking those who frequent that scene, if anyone does. Big if. Now I KNOW that ain't your scene. Not mine either. Maybe the best way to find out is to just go back again and find out. Ugh, that means staying up til 2am.
I heard some tourist guy died in Go2 during Tet. Alcohol poisoning or heart attack or something.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1125648]Not sure, man. Go2 is BACKPACKER area. Pham Ngu Lao has always been a lower rung place to pick up pricewise. When it was 200-250 near the bridge and other spots like that, PNL was 300.[/QUOTE]Pham Ngu Lao "area" is backpacker central. Go-2 Disco (upstairs) is an "upper-middle class" freelancer place.
The girls that walk around outside are pretty skanky. They can be had for 500K; not sure how much lower you can get them for. They're skanky, but they're in a foreign area, and probably expect more than the local price.
The upstairs Go-2 disco starts late. The girls wear nice dresses. The girls are cuter than the girls outside and in the Blow and Go places. I was told by an ex-pat that they cost around $100; you probably can negotiate; wondering how low they will go. But remember that on the weekends, they also have to pay that drink cover of approx 110K. On the weekdays, not sure if they have to buy a drink; but I see most of them have a drink. They have expenses they need to recover.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1125648]Yeah, you get outrageous "offers" everywhere of course, if they think you're a tourist and might bite (and that describes some of the guys who post here, the ones who are in and out, and aren't familiar with the bottom lines -- which is where you could have heard that it was $100 at Go2).[/QUOTE]
Exactly, that's how the market price is set. The cute ones will wait for the tourist. You can always get a lower price for the ugly ones.
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1126757]. Go-2 Disco (upstairs) is an "upper-middle class" freelancer place.
The girls that walk around outside are pretty skanky. They can be had for 500K; not sure how much lower you can get them for. They're skanky, but they're in a foreign area, and probably expect more than the local price.
The upstairs Go-2 disco starts late. The girls wear nice dresses. The girls are cuter than the girls outside and in the Blow and Go places. I was told by an ex-pat that they cost around $100; you probably can negotiate; wondering how low they will go. But remember that on the weekends, they also have to pay that drink cover of approx 110K. On the weekdays, not sure if they have to buy a drink; but I see most of them have a drink. They have expenses they need to recover. [/QUOTE]Go2 Disco "upper middle class"? Puhlease. The 'talent' in the crowd are those that come over from Apo after it starts to wind down, and who haven't been picked up yet. The rest of the crowd are the hardcore partyers who head to Go2 after the 2am closing time of most other bars and clubs and who want to party on till about 4-5 am.
[QUOTE=Raverboy;1127047]Go2 Disco "upper middle class"? Puhlease. The 'talent' in the crowd are those that come over from Apo after it starts to wind down, and who haven't been picked up yet. The rest of the crowd are the hardcore partyers who head to Go2 after the 2am closing time of most other bars and clubs and who want to party on till about 4-5 am.[/QUOTE]If I wantto pay that much I can stay in Cali, and get a good massage and FS, if you go ou to the airport, on a bike turn right at the road by CT plaza, follow the road keeping to the right by the air services traing center and the moto girls will find you. 700k for long time, some lookers there
[QUOTE=Expatriot;1127051]If I wantto pay that much I can stay in Cali, and get a good massage and FS, if you go ou to the airport, on a bike turn right at the road by CT plaza, follow the road keeping to the right by the air services traing center and the moto girls will find you. 700k for long time, some lookers there[/QUOTE]The street you mention is Hong Ha.
CT Plaza is also known as Parkson Department store.
The girls used to be up at the end of Hong Ha, where the new function center, pool halls are, They had to move down to the "darker" area away from the lit up spots.
Not many lookers, perhaps 1 in 10. Head out there around 1830 and you will see some.
[QUOTE=Raverboy;1127047]Go2 Disco "upper middle class"? Puhlease. The 'talent' in the crowd are those that come over from Apo after it starts to wind down, and who haven't been picked up yet. The rest of the crowd are the hardcore partyers who head to Go2 after the 2am closing time of most other bars and clubs and who want to party on till about 4-5 am.[/QUOTE]Leftovers sometimes isn't that bad. LOL! Or maybe it's them trying to find their 2nd customer of the day.
If I can remember correctly from last year, there were 6s and 7s there (and of course some ugly ones). Isn't that uppper middle?
I thought Apocalypse Now had a lot of marginal girls. But since it's a large bar, there were a few decent ones.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1127088]The street you mention is Hong Ha.
CT Plaza is also known as Parkson Department store.
The girls used to be up at the end of Hong Ha, where the new function center, pool halls are, They had to move down to the "darker" area away from the lit up spots.
Not many lookers, perhaps 1 in 10. Head out there around 1830 and you will see some.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Mike it has been awhile sonce I was out there
I get the girls at Go2 (and surrounding area) to go for 1 million VND (around $45 now) for short time and I've had a couple of 8's also.
[QUOTE=Jakkov;1128183]I get the girls at Go2 (and surrounding area) to go for 1 million VND (around $45 now) for short time and I've had a couple of 8's also.[/QUOTE]For the "surrounding area", do you mean the Buffalo Disco across the street? I saw a few open air hostess bars in that area; not sure what type of scene or prices they have. The girls that hang out outside walking around that area should accept between 500K to 700K; not sure how much lower they will go.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1128224]For the "surrounding area", do you mean the Buffalo Disco across the street? I saw a few open air hostess bars in that area; not sure what type of scene or prices they have. The girls that hang out outside walking around that area should accept between 500K to 700K; not sure how much lower they will go.[/QUOTE]By "surrounding area" I mean the area around the Go2 bar which includes Crazy Buffalo, AllezBoo. 17 and all the bars on De Tham and all the motorbike girls that cruise the area. I think 500K is only possible at the end of the night and then for the really scuzzy ones.
[QUOTE=Jakkov;1128345]By "surrounding area" I mean the area around the Go2 bar which includes Crazy Buffalo, AllezBoo. 17 and all the bars on De Tham and all the motorbike girls that cruise the area. I think 500K is only possible at the end of the night and then for the really scuzzy ones.[/QUOTE]All the prices will be higher, the quality lower and the chance of getting ripped-off higher in this area as described. It is the single worst place for mongering in all of HCMC. Just look at the type of people hanging there and looking for 'it. '
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1128667]All the prices will be higher, the quality lower and the chance of getting ripped-off higher in this area as described. It is the single worst place for mongering in all of HCMC. Just look at the type of people hanging there and looking for 'it. '
JD[/QUOTE]I agree with you JD. That whole area is horrible, lots of scams and low quality girls mostly on drugs. I stay clear of the Pham area.
Hello Fellow Mongers,
Anyone been to a karoke om place at 118c huynh van banh, in Q PN, looks ok, but not a soul there speaks English, girls I see going in there look better than average? Just curious, my viet is slim.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1128667]All the prices will be higher, the quality lower and the chance of getting ripped-off higher in this area as described. It is the single worst place for mongering in all of HCMC. Just look at the type of people hanging there and looking for 'it. '
JD[/QUOTE]So what is the best place for mongering JD?
[QUOTE=Jakkov;1128345]I think 500K is only possible at the end of the night and then for the really scuzzy ones.[/QUOTE]IMO, I thought all the girls walking outside were "scuzzy".
There's 2 types of girls in the Pham Ngu Lao area. The ugly girls walking outside, and the cuter girls inside the discos who are more expensive.
[QUOTE=Expatriot; 1128715]Hello, Fellow Mongers,
Anyone been to a karoke om place at 118c huynh van banh, in Q PN, looks ok, but not a soul there speaks English, girls I see going in there look better than average? Just curious, my viet is slim.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Sorry I've never been there. PN is way far off the beaten track. Haha. If you are looking for good bia om's you are better to head over to Q. BT district, near PN. Those spots over there are famous, have large selection, and great service.
[QUOTE=Jakkov;1129099]So what is the best place for mongering JD?[/QUOTE]Uhhhhh, I don't know Jak, have you read anything here at all? Lots of guys have contributed lots of info over the past few months or so and taken plenty of time and effort in doing so. Do we really have to repeat it all because you refuse to read?
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1129706]Uhhhhh, I don't know Jak, have you read anything here at all? Lots of guys have contributed lots of info over the past few months or so and taken plenty of time and effort in doing so. Do we really have to repeat it all because you refuse to read?
JD[/QUOTE]No need to be so offensive JD. I have read all of this site. I was just curious what your opinion was.
[QUOTE=Jakkov;1130543]No need to be so offensive JD. I have read all of this site. I was just curious what your opinion was.[/QUOTE]If you have read all the site you would know that there is no "mongering" place in HCMC. And you would certainly know that I have never withheld any opinions, so no need to ask me my opinions. This is not Thailand or the PI. There is no Nana Entertainment Plaza, no Soi Cowboy, no AC Bars and GoGos. Just a couple of strips with some Blow and Go Barbershops, a few take away brothel bars with the whole Bar Fine Ladydrink rip-off game, and a couple of strips for finding moto girls and streetwalkers in the afternoons and evenings. ALL of it detailed here with maps, prices and everything that you claim to have read but didn't.
You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then newbies come on and ask the exact questions these posters just took their time and energy to write about and which those new posters are simply unable or unwilling to read. I was not being offensive. What's offensive is coming on with your first post, obviously not have read anything or not remembering anything you read, then asking broad questions, all of which you can find the answers to in detail here.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1130815]You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then newbies come on and ask the exact questions these posters just took their time and energy to write about and which those new posters are simply unable or unwilling to read. I was not being offensive. What's offensive is coming on with your first post, obviously not have read anything or not remembering anything you read, then asking broad questions, all of which you can find the answers to in detail here.
JD[/QUOTE]What you've written here applies to nearly every topic on the site. Bravo!
Thank you, thank you
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1130815]You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then.
JD[/QUOTE]Someone called JD knows better.
[QUOTE=Ozirob;1138857]Someone called JD knows better.[/QUOTE]Maybe wrong assumption.
Quote Originally Posted by Johndao.
"You know, some of you guys may wonder why nearly every contributor to the Forum who has any knowledge of this place has dropped out. It's because they post, they contribute, and then."
JD.
Someone called JD knows better.
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OK Rob, so you don't like me and maybe you are right, but I think that's just part of the give and take, that's how guys talk. Someone writes or says something, and others go "nah, I don't think so, it's like this." This isn't a business meeting, it's a Sex Forum. It's not always necessary to say "Well, you may be right in part, but in my opinion. . . Blah blah blah." We should be big boys, we should be able to be blunt. But from the PM's I exchange with others who have been here a while, it's just they get tired of only giving info, getting nothing in return except the same questions that have already been discussed in many posts, and endless PM's asking for all the info in brief because they won't or can't read the Forum. And I also have to say it IS very difficult to read through the Forum as we can't do it by topic or thread as in other Forums, only by these ridiculous pre-formed threads like 'Massage' 'Bars and Clubs' etc.
JD
I'll be in HCMC from April 2nd until the 18th. If anyone wants to meet up for a drink or something, send me a PM.
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1130815]If you have read all the site you would know that there is no "mongering" place in HCMC. And you would certainly know that I have never withheld any opinions, so no need to ask me my opinions. This is not Thailand or the PI. There is no Nana Entertainment Plaza, no Soi Cowboy, no AC Bars and GoGos. Just a couple of strips with some Blow and Go Barbershops, a few take away brothel bars with the whole Bar Fine Ladydrink rip-off game, and a couple of strips for finding moto girls and streetwalkers in the afternoons and evenings. ALL of it detailed here with maps, prices and everything that you claim to have read but didn't.
JD[/QUOTE]I ask a simple, friendly question JD and you go on a hostile rant. Of course there are mongering places here (as you confirm) although clearly they are not as varied or extensive as in Thailand or PI. Your previous post described PNL as the "single worst place for mongering" implying you thought there were better. I simply asked which places you, as an experienced monger, recommend. Maybe it's posts like yours that drive people away.
[QUOTE=Jakkov;1140624]Maybe it's posts like yours that drive people away.[/QUOTE]Maybe if posters actually read back more than 1-2 pages of the forum, took notes then when they ask questions they won't come across as a total waste of time.
Everything JD mentioned is still on the forum.
Its your duty and it shows respect and appreciation to the contributors to go back a few pages and take notes. You would expect the same of others right?
The info that has been posted has taken a long time to gather. Some members have taken weeks, months and even years to collect and been kind enough to post up their findings so a new member can look back and learn in minutes (or hours if you want to be thorough) what would have been next to impossible to gather on your own. Believe us when we all say mongering in VN is terrible. Girls here are brought up to keep their legs closed until they ae married.
Jakkov you aren't the first and sadly won't be the last to want information spoon fed to you.
I suggest you go back a few pages, make some notes of locations, times and prices. Then come and ask your questions. Ie Is XXXX street better than YYYYY street regarding ZZZZZZ type girls? Something that shows you have had a read will get you results from numerous members.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1140726]Maybe if posters actually read back more than 1-2 pages of the forum, took notes then when they ask questions they won't come across as a total waste of time.[/quote]Jakkov you aren't the first and sadly won't be the last to want information spoon fed to you.
I really don't get you guys. I simply enquirer of JD what his favorite place is and this is the response I get. For your information I have read every page on HCMC bars and looked at JD's postings. Nowhere does he say. Not that I'm remotely interested now I know more about him, and you for that matter.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1140726]Maybe if posters actually read back more than 1-2 pages of the forum, took notes then when they ask questions they won't come across as a total waste of time.
Good luck[/QUOTE]Well I've been reading until October 2010. Don't shoot me but in my opinion only the actual information is relevant. Older posts are of course interesting but could be outdated. I will be coming in 3 months so I still have time to read all your contributions.
[QUOTE=Jakkov;1141012]Not that I'm remotely interested now I know more about him, and you for that matter.[/QUOTE]Since you know so much about me now, you will know that I don't bother visiting bars and clubs. Which is the title of this section. Perhaps try reading another section called Massage Parlors. Plenty of info to be found in there.
Since you are wanting to know about the "best" place to monger try visiting Apo and trying your luck, If you can't pick up there then try GO2 bar. Failing that then go visit BiBo Spa on Hong Ha out in Tan Binh. Pick someone out from the lineup and have fun.
Goodluck.
[QUOTE=Marco Schouten;1141189]Well I've been reading until October 2010. Don't shoot me but in my opinion only the actual information is relevant. Older posts are of course interesting but could be outdated. I will be coming in 3 months so I still have time to read all your contributions.[/QUOTE]Good work mate, Keep reading until a few yrs back. Check the photo gallery for maps JD and others have kindly posted with highlighted / marked areas.
Most locations are still around, the girls will have changed. It is hard to get info due to the layout of the forum with its fixed sections but you can become familiar with it.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc; 1141251]Good work mate, Keep reading until a few yrs back. Check the photo gallery for maps JD and others have kindly posted with highlighted / marked areas.
Most locations are still around, the girls will have changed. It is hard to get info due to the layout of the forum with its fixed sections but you can become familiar with it. [/QUOTE]Yes, this constant problem with new readers unable to easily find info which has already been posted is a major drawback to the Forum and a severe annoyance and disincentive to regular posters and contributors to continue.
If the Forum had a threaded view and Stickys like other Forums it would be much more user friendly. For example: Sticky. Places with cheap fixed price blowjobs. Just click on it and all the addresses, prices, maps would be there. Instead users must scroll through dozens of pages to find what they need.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1141332]Yes, this constant problem with new readers unable to easily find info which has already been posted is a major drawback to the Forum and a severe annoyance and disincentive to regular posters and contributors to continue.
JD[/QUOTE]Quite right Johndao (I hesitate to call you JD as I have not contributed anything yet). I understand that some of the newbies are indeed lazy. The tips and tricks that you and the others give are priceless.
@Mik Hcmc thanks for your kind remarks.
This will be my first trip to the far east and I will surely write some reports.
[QUOTE=Marco Schouten; 1143291]Quite right Johndao (I hesitate to call you JD as I have not contributed anything yet). I understand that some of the newbies are indeed lazy. The tips and tricks that you and the others give are priceless.
@Mik Hcmc thanks for your kind remarks.
This will be my first trip to the far east and I will surely write some reports. [/QUOTE]Hi Marco. Call me JD. No, really, it's OK.
I'm glad you appreciate the help you can get here unlike some other whiners / whingers who slam and flame when they don't get spoonfed custom info before they read the Forum. Yeah, Jac, Soul, others, you know who you are.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1143886]Hi Marco. Call me JD. No, really, it's OK.
I'm glad you appreciate the help you can get here unlike some other whiners / whingers who slam and flame when they don't get spoonfed custom info before they read the Forum. Yeah, Jac, Soul, others, you know who you are.
JD[/QUOTE]JD,
Honestly, just ignore the trolls- there's a reason why his handle is Jackoff. I was able to find plenty of good places in HCM on my last visit by searching through the reports, downloading the maps, and putting in my time on the streets. Now, I'll never do as well as a local in a place like HCM, but was able to find decent lookers and good service- enough to post some pictures and a brief report.
Friendly
hi guys,
i'll be visiting vietnam for 6 months starting mid july in saigon. do you guys know where the hip clubs are were mostly locals go to? i read some of this on other post and most had info around the d1 area with mix or mostly tourist even. i read that d3 i think. has a few local clubs but i'm not sure if that info is out dated or not since there was no date on that article.
thank you,
peeka
[quote=peeka; 1160287]hi guys,
i'll be visiting vietnam for 6 months starting mid july in saigon. do you guys know where the hip clubs are were mostly locals go to? i read some of this on other post and most had info around the d1 area with mix or mostly tourist even. i read that d3 i think. has a few local clubs but i'm not sure if that info is out dated or not since there was no date on that article.
thank you,
peeka[/quote]try this: [url]http://vietnamservice.web.officelive.com/discos.aspx[/url] (other types of places elsewhere on that site)
Thank You Wendella! This site has some other info I wanted for pooning too!
Can't wait till I go on the hunt!
[quote=peeka; 1160287]hi guys,
i'll be visiting vietnam for 6 months starting mid july in saigon. do you guys know where the hip clubs are were mostly locals go to?
peeka[/quote]when you go to these "hip clubs" make sure you tell the guy pouring your cognac vsop not to put coke with it. for some strange reason the locals think its normal. perhaps they are too used to the knockoff's and need the coke to disguise the taste of industrial alcohol.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc;1161257]When you go to these "hip clubs" make sure you tell the guy pouring your cognac vsop not to put coke with it. For some strange reason the locals think its normal. Perhaps they are too used to the knockoff's and need the coke to disguise the taste of industrial alcohol.[/QUOTE]I'll make sure to tell them that, it's funny you said that because even here in canada when my uncle would throw a drinking party. I want to spell it out in vietnamese but I don't even know what it's called in english! LOL but they would mix ANY hard liquor with coke or sprit.
Actually it's kind of ironic that one of the main things that makes the forums difficult to navigate is all the posts complaining about newbies and how difficult the forums are to navigate. I know I'm not helping with this post. Just saying.
I think maybe what Jackson needs to do is get a couple of the more senior members to act as moderators. I know he spends a lot of time hosting these forums and moderating Argentina Private, but there is no way with the size these forums have gotten that they could all be moderated by one person!
Going on business again next month, but I'm very depress that the bars you guys talked about will not cater Vietnamese. My client however is Korean, so I'm not sure how that would work with both of us entering the bar. Maybe I'll try my luck, really want to try 91 out from all your reports. Have any of you pros ever witness the girls servicing Vietnamese in general at these bars?
Any advices or bars you guys think that will not give me a hard time because I'm a Vietnamese American?
Also if you guys are bored between July 4th to Aug 4th pm me, drinks on me =)
Thanks
[QUOTE=Data Lan; 1164000]Going on business again next month, but I'm very depress that the bars you guys talked about will not cater Vietnamese. My client however is Korean, so I'm not sure how that would work with both of us entering the bar. Maybe I'll try my luck, really want to try 91 out from all your reports. Have any of you pros ever witness the girls servicing Vietnamese in general at these bars?
Any advices or bars you guys think that will not give me a hard time because I'm a Vietnamese American?
Also if you guys are bored between July 4th to Aug 4th pm me, drinks on me =)
Thanks[/QUOTE]Hey don't worry about it. I am an expat living in HCMC. I'm Asian and speak well enough Vietnamese that most people think I'm a Viet Kieu and I've never had any problems. I've been to Bin Bin on LTT twice. I would like to check out 91 some time soon.
First of all, thanks to all the members who have posted some very good information. I have read through large parts of it and have some very specific questions which I hope someone can answer.
1) It seems like the billiard bars in District 1 are generally open until midnight. Due to work meetings, I won't be able to get free until after midnight. Can anyone recommend any bars that will be open and also are likely to have a good selection of girls for takeout?
2) Being there on work, I will have to stay in one of the 4 star hotels which are supposedly not guest friendly. Which of the 4 star hotels are right adjacent to or very near cheap hotels where you can take the girl? Seems like that could be good business for such cheaper hotels.
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Sad Sam;1169317]1) It seems like the billiard bars in District 1 are generally open until midnight. Due to work meetings, I won't be able to get free until after midnight. Can anyone recommend any bars that will be open and also are likely to have a good selection of girls for takeout?[/QUOTE]They're generally open til 2am, some later. In the past 91 has closed as early as midnight, and I'm not sure about these days but wouldn't be surprised if it's also open til 2am nowadays. If you make the rounds before 2, nearly all of them should still be open. 29 would probably go much later.
[QUOTE=Akatsukii;1164049]Hey don't worry about it. I am an expat living in HCMC. I'm Asian and speak well enough Vietnamese that most people think I'm a Viet Kieu and I've never had any problems. I've been to Bin Bin on LTT twice. I would like to check out 91 some time soon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input, Let's check out 91 together!
I've been living in HCM for about a year now and recently decided to give Hai Ba Trung a try. Up until now I've spent most of my time in a so-called Sports Bar on Bui Vien (Santa Cafe corner, next to Mumtaz). Same idea as Hai Ba Trung I guess, just not quite as extreme (not much goes on in the bar, but you can take all the girls home). Two of these girls happen to be gorgeous and up until now I've been content with taking them to my place a couple of times a week.
Anyway, I decided to give the billiard bars on Hai Ba Trung a try and must say that the star ratings posted here by somebody are pretty accurate. No. 91 is great, but if you're fairly young like me (29) , don't expect the girls to be overly interested in you. I got lucky and the girl who did sit next to me was very young and, imo, very pretty. I had a couple of drinks / ladydrinks and decided to take her home. Service was excellent. She charged 1, 2 million, I gave her 1, 5. I believe I paid 600, 000 in the bar, which seemed far too much.
The following day I went to No 53, which also deserves the 3star rating. Not that many girls present, but they are all pretty cute. Unfortunately, I didn't take my time and sat down with a girl who was probably one of the less attractive ones and also a bit older. But as I said, these girls are all pretty cute, so I wasn't too disappointed. I played the usual billiard game (you lose you pay 10 USD, you win I strip) and, sadly, lost. But by that time I was pretty horny, so asked for BJ. I was already quite intoxicated and can't really remember what I paid, but I have the feeling I paid far to much (maybe 40 USD for the girl) and also quite a lot for bar.
When we went upstairs she asked whether I wanted a condom. I was a bit confused as I thought she was just going to give me a BJ, but I nodded thinking maybe she wanted to fuck after all. Anyway, it turned out she did just want to give me BJ, so either she wanted to use a condom or she thought I preferred using one. Not sure. As I said, I was pretty drunk by that time and although she tried hard she could finish me.
Slightly disappointed I went to the next bar down (No 49) , which I found rather disappointing. I did choose the most attractive girl and even took her home, but she was at best average. Maybe it already too late (definitely after midnight). When I left the lights were all on and I got a pretty good luck of the girls. None of them were much imo.
But now to my actual question.
When you leave these bars there are always guys standing around offering girls for very low prices (around 600, 000).
Has anybody any experience with these girls? Are they young / pretty? How is the place they take you to?
[QUOTE=Zweibel; 1170024]I've been living in HCM for about a year now and recently decided to give Hai Ba Trung a try. Up until now I've spent most of my time in a so-called Sports Bar on Bui Vien (Santa Cafe corner, next to Mumtaz). Same idea as Hai Ba Trung I guess, just not quite as extreme (not much goes on in the bar, but you can take all the girls home). Two of these girls happen to be gorgeous and up until now I've been content with taking them to my place a couple of times a week.
Anyway, I decided to give the billiard bars on Hai Ba Trung a try and must say that the star ratings posted here by somebody are pretty accurate. No. 91 is great, but if you're fairly young like me (29) , don't expect the girls to be overly interested in you. I got lucky and the girl who did sit next to me was very young and, imo, very pretty. I had a couple of drinks / ladydrinks and decided to take her home. Service was excellent. She charged 1, 2 million, I gave her 1, 5. I believe I paid 600, 000 in the bar, which seemed far too much.
But now to my actual question.
When you leave these bars there are always guys standing around offering girls for very low prices (around 600, 000).
Has anybody any experience with these girls? Are they young / pretty? How is the place they take you to? [/QUOTE]Dear Mate,
Many thanks for your sharing,
I think I will give 91 a try but since this is totally new to me and I only stay in HCM for only a very very short couple of nights at hotel continental, so I really need some guidance as I was totally confuse with what I have read around here even with those roads name. I try to google but I think 91 should be near to my hotel which is located in Dong Khoi, that is so far what I knew.
On the other hand, I wonder if this billards bars means you have to play Billiards with those gals? I was more aquainted with the Bangkok go go bars that you simply sit and enjoy your beers with those lovelies dancing on the stage and you select later the one yu like most.
Furthermore, I understand in HCM you can not bring girls to your hotel room unless you booked another room, so I wonder if there is any ST room in those billards bar? Or perhaps that you can do your deeds right there?
I understand that beers or drinks normally cost vn30, 000 and LD about vnd50, 000. For st is it cost vnd1. 2million or is this for LT? If so, then how much for ST?
As I am coming on a business trip with a colleque that I don't want to let him knows my extra curricular activities. So please my dear mongers brotehrs, please give me or share with me some of your important guidlines on this. I hope to enjoy thise vn lovelies same as I did with the thais.
Cheers,
MD
[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1170082]Dear Mate,
Many thanks for your sharing,
I think I will give 91 a try but since this is totally new to me and I only stay in HCM for only a very very short couple of nights at hotel continental, so I really need some guidance as I was totally confuse with what I have read around here even with those roads name. I try to google but I think 91 should be near to my hotel which is located in Dong Khoi, that is so far what I knew. [/quote]Yes, it's right at the corner at the crossing where you would turn left to Caravelle Hotel.
You can't really miss it. I believe it has a big 91 written on the door.
[quote]On the other hand, I wonder if this billards bars means you have to play Billiards with those gals? I was more aquainted with the Bangkok go go bars that you simply sit and enjoy your beers with those lovelies dancing on the stage and you select later the one yu like most.[/quote]No need to play billiard if you don't want to. I've just noticed they all do the same "I win / you lose" wager. The girls play pretty well and it is not unlikely that you will lose, but it can be fun and you can get a good look at their tits.
[quote]Furthermore, I understand in HCM you can not bring girls to your hotel room unless you booked another room, so I wonder if there is any ST room in those billards bar? Or perhaps that you can do your deeds right there?[/quote]If you're staying in an upper class hotel you won't be able to take a girl to your room. I rent an apartment, so haven't got this problem.
But the girls will always know a cheap place to go that offers rooms by the hour.
Not sure about fucking in the bar. I think I read that in Tien Loc (No. 23) it's no problem. The place I went last night was BJ only (upstairs). I asked if I could fuck her, but she said her boss would not allow it. I guess it's more lucrative for them if you have to pay the bar fine.
[quote]I understand that beers or drinks normally cost vn30, 000 and LD about vnd50, 000. For st is it cost vnd1. 2million or is this for LT? If so, then how much for ST?[/quote]I don't normally drink beer, but I think you'd have to bargain to get the beer for 30, 000. I normally drink Gin / Tonic, which is always 60, 000.
1. 2 million is for ST. 2 million for LT. What happened to me the other night was that we didn't get too my place until way after midnight. By the time we'd finished she was tired and fell asleep. Which was nice. I like waking up with a naked girl in my arms.
[quote]As I am coming on a business trip with a colleque that I don't want to let him knows my extra curricular activities. So please my dear mongers brotehrs, please give me or share with me some of your important guidlines on this. I hope to enjoy thise vn lovelies same as I did with the thais.[/quote]Not sure how I can help you in that respect, but if you need company let me know. I prefer going to these places with somebody else, but most of my friends aren't into this pay-as-you-go lifestyle.
[QUOTE=Zweibel; 1170147]If you're staying in an upper class hotel you won't be able to take a girl to your room. I rent an apartment, so haven't got this problem.
1. 2 million is for ST. 2 million for LT. What happened to me the other night was that we didn't get too my place until way after midnight. By the time we'd finished she was tired and fell asleep. Which was nice. I like waking up with a naked girl in my arms. [/QUOTE]The area near HBT is littered with small cheap hotels.
VND 2 mil for LT! That is way over the top. You need to negotiate more!
[QUOTE=Sudsoz; 1170296]The area near HBT is littered with small cheap hotels.
VND 2 mil for LT! That is way over the top. You need to negotiate more![/QUOTE]Ya, you are probably right. I'm not very good at negotiating and the girls seem to notice that.
Went to Bin Bin yesterday. Excellent place and the girl I had was incredible: just turned 20, tall, thin and insanely cute. I wanted to take her home and everything seemed fine, but just before we left she said she couldn't. She said there were too many customers, but there weren't that many.
Don't understand it. I'd offered here 100 USD for the night, but for some reason she changed her mind. Maybe a regular had come and she didn't want to disappoint him. No idea.
[QUOTE=Zweibel;1170147][/QUOTE]Thanks Zweibel,
I went just tonight to 91 and also 51 bars. Saw a lots of hot girls and some of them looks young and really hot, I wonder if their make up will be take off, will they still be looking hot as they have it on?
Any, I get in and have a look inside, as I am making first my understanding of the area and not wanting any actions yet, since I just arrived HCM. I asked for the price and girls quote me as follows:
2 dollars for beer.
3 dollars for Lady's drink.
If want to take out girls for ST, I should pay USD 100 all in, which is inclusive of the Bar fine, girls and short time hotel. But if I like LT then it is usd150. Is this the correct price? I don't see that USD 100 for a ST is high but I just want to make surfe that if I pay them that amount, I will not be ruining the market price. Please tell me as soon as posiible, as tommorrow night, I shall be taken some girls out before my flight out of Vietnam on this coming 30th of July. Hope to tast some vietnamese P*ssies before I left the country.
I also have notice some rooms (but not dark rooms) upstairs of 91, is this the place where the girls give you BJ? How much should I pay them in case I prefer to be BJed on that place?
I don't. See any massage parlours with Sex. But there is so many street pims that is too annoying to me. They quote usd30 to 40 but I think its dangerous to be with them.
Cheers,
MD
[QUOTE=Data Lan; 1164000]Going on business again next month, but I'm very depress that the bars you guys talked about will not cater Vietnamese. My client however is Korean, so I'm not sure how that would work with both of us entering the bar. Maybe I'll try my luck, really want to try 91 out from all your reports. Have any of you pros ever witness the girls servicing Vietnamese in general at these bars?
Any advices or bars you guys think that will not give me a hard time because I'm a Vietnamese American?
Also if you guys are bored between July 4th to Aug 4th pm me, drinks on me =)
Thanks[/QUOTE]Not sure how you will take this, but you're not "Vietnamese" to them even if you are a Vietnamese American. They can tell by the way you dress and the way you smell, and if you open your mouth and even if you speak Vietnamese to them, They will know you are not "Vietnamese". They will serve you just as well as any other foreign tourists with money to spend. To be honest when I was over there shopping at the Ben Thanh Market most of the people there tried to speak broken English to me They just assumed I was not Vietnamese but rather I was from Korea or some other Asian type just not "Vietnamese".
Hi Mate,
Since nobody send their quick response to my SOS, yesterday night I mean early this morning, I went to 91 bar and also 29 bar in Dong Khoi. Met 2 lovely girls in both bar but I later decided not to try 29 bar girl as she is nice but not beautiful and young as what I saw in 91 bar. So decided to go straight to 91 bar in HBT.
This girl is lovely and sexy, wearing a T shage see thru underwear. White clean skink with small but nicely shape cup with nice tits (like other vietnamese in general). See is a good kisser and suck my cock hardly. I lick her all over her body and finally ended eating flesh oyster (I mean P*ssies). She moan a lot. We finished the deeds by missionary, of coarse after several position tried.
I paid USD60 (or 1. 2m. Dong) for the girl, I think it is a bit pricey but I think it worth. Sadly, I leaving HCM today. May be in my next trip here, I hope to explore more.
Cheers,
MD
[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1171341]Hi Mate,
Since nobody send their quick response to my SOS, yesterday night I mean early this morning, I went to 91 bar and also 29 bar in Dong Khoi. Met 2 lovely girls in both bar but I later decided not to try 29 bar girl as she is nice but not beautiful and young as what I saw in 91 bar. So decided to go straight to 91 bar in HBT.
This girl is lovely and sexy, wearing a T shage see thru underwear. White clean skink with small but nicely shape cup with nice tits (like other vietnamese in general). See is a good kisser and suck my cock hardly. I lick her all over her body and finally ended eating flesh oyster (I mean P*ssies). She moan a lot. We finished the deeds by missionary, of coarse after several position tried.
I paid USD60 (or 1. 2m. Dong) for the girl, I think it is a bit pricey but I think it worth. Sadly, I leaving HCM today. May be in my next trip here, I hope to explore more.
Cheers,
MD[/QUOTE]Where did you do this deed, in the bar, in a hotel? In a ST hotel?
[QUOTE=Randito;1171343]Where did you do this deed, in the bar, in a hotel? In a ST hotel?[/QUOTE]She took me to a ST hotel that she feel comfortable WITH. I know she get some more $ from that hotel by bringing me there. At first I want to settle it in those 2 stars hotel in HBT but she said they are not safe to police, I took this as her only reason to bring me to the other hotel she knew (so she can cut something more from it) , well what the heck, I enjoyed her flresh so much that night.
Cheers,
MD
[QUOTE=Jlone;1170924]Not sure how you will take this, but you're not "Vietnamese" to them even if you are a Vietnamese American. They can tell by the way you dress and the way you smell, and if you open your mouth and even if you speak Vietnamese to them, They will know you are not "Vietnamese". They will serve you just as well as any other foreign tourists with money to spend. To be honest when I was over there shopping at the Ben Thanh Market most of the people there tried to speak broken English to me They just assumed I was not Vietnamese but rather I was from Korea or some other Asian type just not "Vietnamese".[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, I'm leaving to Vietnam tomorrow. Can't wait!
Yah I'm American Born so my grasp on the Vietnamese isn't too sharp, but I'm learning as much as I can before the trip. So I'm guessing they are charging me the "foreign price"? Haha.
Thanks to the veterans of the forum (especially JohnDao and Wendella) , I was armed with information and confidence to monger in HCMC, even on my virgin trip to Vietnam! I didn't speak a word of Vietnamese and on top of that I hardly had any time. I got done with a business dinner very late, around midnight and since I was staying very close to Dong Khoi in District 1, I decided to go for a stroll and check the scene out.
I ran across 29 Dong Khoi and since there were decent reports about it, I thought I would go in. I was the only customer at that time and there must have been at least a dozen women. One of them latched on to me but she didn't float my boat. I looked around for a while and finally found one that was decent looking, not a stunner by any means but cure face, a little older but seemed to have a good body. I called her over and both of them started fondling me. The experience felt good and they suggested that we move upstairs. So, we did and the groping and kissing was in full swing. I bought them both drinks and it was a lot of fun for about 10-15 minutes. But during that time, the cute one kept asking to either go to my room or do it in their back room. Since the experience was very nice up until then, I started the bargaining and finally when we agreed on the price, she asked me to follow her into the back room. It is a very small area with no door or anything, so you can hardly call it a room. But any case, there are a couple of sofas. Immediately she took my clothes off and started a BJ. 2 minutes in and then she puts on a condom and wants me to go missionary. Kept rushing and the usual are you done yet? What was a very enjoyable GFE groping and fondling and kissing session turned into a not very enjoyable session in the back room and as soon as the deed was done, she bolted out.
So, certainly seems like a good place to lead the women on and buy a few drinks and have fun but not sure about taking them for ST. May be taking them to a hotel room is better for service but at least the back room show is not recommended!
Went there last night with a friend.
Went upstairs with a lady each. My girl was named Ly. She was thick in all the right places and maybe a little in the stomach, but she was really cute and spoke a bit of english. She wasn't too receptive at first. We played a game of pool, and I let her win. Then we strike "take of clothes" deal. Only this time I won. She didn't want to pull down her dress in front of my friend which I thought was uncool, so we head into the kitchen. Then she pulls down the top of her dress and I see only a bra. She had big tits, but she didn't want to pull down her bra at all. BULLSHIT! What a jip. Then she asks if I want to take her out or upstairs. She wants 60$. I say discount. She asks me how much do I want to pay. (sigh)
Long story short, she looked good enough to eat. But after the bra thing and the semi-cold attitude, she pretty much got the point that it wasn't going to happen.
I know others have had better experiences there, but I will not return.
[QUOTE=Sad Sam; 1180296]Thanks to the veterans of the forum (especially JohnDao and Wendella) , I was armed with information and confidence to monger in HCMC, even on my virgin trip to Vietnam! I didn't speak a word of Vietnamese and on top of that I hardly had any time. I got done with a business dinner very late, around midnight and since I was staying very close to Dong Khoi in District 1, I decided to go for a stroll and check the scene out.
I ran across 29 Dong Khoi and since there were decent reports about it, I thought I would go in. I was the only customer at that time and there must have been at least a dozen women. One of them latched on to me but she didn't float my boat. I looked around for a while and finally found one that was decent looking, not a stunner by any means but cure face, a little older but seemed to have a good body. I called her over and both of them started fondling me. The experience felt good and they suggested that we move upstairs. So, we did and the groping and kissing was in full swing. I bought them both drinks and it was a lot of fun for about 10-15 minutes. But during that time, the cute one kept asking to either go to my room or do it in their back room. Since the experience was very nice up until then, I started the bargaining and finally when we agreed on the price, she asked me to follow her into the back room. It is a very small area with no door or anything, so you can hardly call it a room. But any case, there are a couple of sofas. Immediately she took my clothes off and started a BJ. 2 minutes in and then she puts on a condom and wants me to go missionary. Kept rushing and the usual are you done yet? What was a very enjoyable GFE groping and fondling and kissing session turned into a not very enjoyable session in the back room and as soon as the deed was done, she bolted out.
So, certainly seems like a good place to lead the women on and buy a few drinks and have fun but not sure about taking them for ST. May be taking them to a hotel room is better for service but at least the back room show is not recommended![/QUOTE]What was the tottal damage, bro?
I used to be in quite close contact with a girl called Kim who worked at BinBin. Beautiful girl, just turned 20 or so. Anybody know what happened to her?
I haven't seen her for a quite a while and nobody in the bar knows (or does not want) to tell me what happened to her.
Maybe somebody could inquire for me. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1180950]I know others have had better experiences there, but I will not return.[/QUOTE]Don't if you don't want to, but if you went to all the bars and then stopped going every time you had a lemon, soon you wouldn't be going to any of the bars. There aren't any reliably good-service bars, or bad-service bars. In the best service bar (29 Dong Khoi) , you're bound to eventually run into a lemon, and in the worst-service bar (91) you'll eventually hit the jackpot. That's just how it is. Bin Bin is actually one place with generally better service than most. Usually. Not always though.
No idea who Kim is and that manager in that bar is useless when it comes to info. I came back once looking for one who I'd just been with a few wks prior, asked for her by name, manager had no idea who I was talking about. Try offering a reward of 100, 000 (or whatever) to anyone who can put you in contact with her. Someone there almost surely has her phone number. Just make sure everyone there hears you, or word gets passed around. Shouldn't be hard to eventually get either her number or someone who'll help you get in touch. (this begs the question: if you were so close with this one, why didn't you get her number? if thats what happened, rookie error -- and a rookie error I still make as a veteran -- but I realize it's possible you had it and it doesn't work any more, also common)
[QUOTE=Trimix;1181646]What was the tottal damage, bro?[/QUOTE]With all the drinks etc, I think I ended up spending 900K Dong. They don't seem to be very eager to come down from their prices even when there are no customers around!
Went to 51 on Monday night : not bad not good. No bar fine & US$ 50 for the girl. Short term hotel 400, 000 (most 49, 51 & 91 girls use the same hotel)
Last nite 91 : MUCH prettier girls : barfine US 25, Girl US 60 + tip. 1 beer + I girl drink rounded off to 100, 000. Gave mamasan 100, 000 & her sister 100, 000 as I am headed back there again.
Report : pay less get less, pay more get more.
[QUOTE=SailSingapore; 1185754]Went to 51 on Monday night : not bad not good. No bar fine & US$ 50 for the girl. Short term hotel 400, 000 (most 49, 51 & 91 girls use the same hotel)
Last nite 91 : MUCH prettier girls : barfine US 25, Girl US 60 + tip. 1 beer + I girl drink rounded off to 100, 000. Gave mamasan 100, 000 & her sister 100, 000 as I am headed back there again.
Report : pay less get less, pay more get more.[/QUOTE]Went again to 91 : took same tall slim quiet shy & most HONEST girl (age 22) & repeated the same routine for 2 more days : easier for me to stick to one girl as then she knows my routine & she knows I will tip her.
Nice young mamasan who smiles easily & speaks decent English : she has been there for 2 years (so she says)
Next time to HCMC : 91 for sure. Suits me as I know the prices & the routine there
My first post in this forum. I really appreciate the honest and helpful information from everyone. I love mongering, a great stress reliever in Vietnam. I just didn't know it was called mongering before I started frequenting this forum. A girl ("Khanh") who used to work at 35 HBT told me about this site. I am thankful to her!
I would like to contribute an experience I had, about a month or two ago: I was out on a weeknight, and it was raining lightly. I visited couple bars on HBT then walked over to Le Thanh Ton area, and visited Bin Bin and finally, Quan Nho. There were hardly any customers in any of the bars, except for one guy, who was doing the same thing I was, checking out each bar. He was an expat, very large and rotund, with a full beard, maybe late 30s.
When I was at Quan Nho, he had three girls in a corner of that small bar. The girls were all bare naked, hugging each other and giggling. As I said, he was a large guy, so he was able to block the view, but I could tell the girls were frolicking with each other, and he was like this orchestra conductor telling them what to do. He was smoking and having a good time. Finally, all three girls scurried upstairs, naked and laughing, and he followed behind them. Don't know what happened upstairs!
I will never forget the scene though! Hope you like this story.
Todd
This is a new "lady bar" at the corner of HBT and Mac Thi Buoi. I was there earlier tonight and when the bill came, it was 160, 000 VND for a lady drink and a Tiger bottle. When I asked for a break-down, the unpleasant girl at the bar said the total included peanuts! I told her that I had not asked for peanuts, and as soon as I said this, she made a face and said "OK, you pay 120 thousand". I paid 120, 000 VND, and said I would never come back.
The girls are below average and from the country-side. Two I talked to said they had just arrived from Mekong Delta.
Bottom line: Avoid.
Todd
Thanks for the report.
I don't actually think this bar new. I've known it for quite some time and been there twice.
I had a couple of beers with two ladies. One was too busty for me, the other too old. Obviously I had no other services.
Lady drinks as far as I remember 60, 000.
As for peanuts, I don't think I was offered any. I would imagine they would have been free if you had gone upstairs or taken a girl home. Maybe not.
The only reason I went there a second time was because there was one rather stunning young girl working working there.
But all in all I agree, not a bar I would visit again, although if you are into Greek and appearance does not have priority with you, you might want to check this bar out.
No Thien Loc definitely isn't 'new'. Though its status is a bit confusing. It had been there in that corner spot for years. Then about a year or more ago, they closed and moved down the street to a bar that was called Cali (and this is very confusing because there also used to be a totally different bar in that same location also called Cali. I suspect making use of the same free neon sign was too tempting to resist). Then that "new" Cali closed and immediately reopened as Thien Loc again in its same previous corner location. It's the type of place that usually has some so-so girls and the occasional stunner. What's good about the place is that the customer service is about 2nd only to 29 Dong Khoi, if you know what I mean. So if you are lucky and find a hot girl there, it's pretty much heaven.
They clearly had this customer New Todd pegged as a newbie (perhaps it was the name?) and played the peanuts-candy trick. You have to always decline those as soon as they appear. If you're recognized as a veteran they won't even try this. But even the final price you got means you still were getting a padded bill. Last time I was out, a beer in these places was 30, 000 or 40, 000 depending on which place you were in (exception: 50, 000 at Quan Nho) and the lady drink 50, 000 no matter where you were. So in your situation, the way to get them to give you that price when you get the inflated bill is to say you were there 2 weeks ago (or whenever) and only paid 30, 000 for a beer. They almost always back down and give you the fair price. At the very least they'll come down halfway to the normal price.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1188811]say you were there 2 weeks ago (or whenever) and only paid 30, 000 for a beer. They almost always back down and give you the fair price. At the very least they'll come down halfway to the normal price.[/QUOTE]Good advice! Thanks.
I just don't care for a place where the girls take off their shoes and get into a "relaxed" mode. This place was like that, lots of country girls. Maybe I am expecting too much!
I now live at close to the river by le van luong and tran xuan soan and there are a few cafe's that I pass by everytime I go to work or almost anywhere. I wanted to ask if anyone has any RECENT information on these places. Before I came to vietnam last April, I read as far back as one year and got tons of information, but hardly any on this street. I believe I found 1 post and it didn't give any specific info, only that there were some cafes where you could play with some ladies up and down the street.
I'm asking if anyone can give me info on 1.) types of services available 2.) going rates 3.) possible address recommendation.
I live right around the corner from this street and I intend to pay a visit to at least 1 of theses places. But just like any other store I go to in saigon, I like to go in knowing at least a little bit of what to expect.
Thanks to all and any info is greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1202820]I now live at close to the river by le van luong and tran xuan soan and there are a few cafe's that I pass by everytime I go to work or almost anywhere. I wanted to ask if anyone has any RECENT information on these places.[/QUOTE]I will go there on Friday and let you know.
This is rather far out. Are you sure these places are for foreigners?
[QUOTE=Zweibel; 1203066]I will go there on Friday and let you know.
This is rather far out. Are you sure these places are for foreigners?[/QUOTE]Whoa, whoa. I never said these places are for foreigners.
It looks like they cater more to the locals. BUT, there is one place that is at the end of le van luong close to my street (tran xuan soan) and occassionally when I pass by and glance at the girls they try to wave me down and invite me inside. So I feel pretty sure they get the occasional foreigner and they know what we're looking for (not intelligent conversation). I must admit there are some rather attractive young looking women at times at at least a few of these places.
[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1203412]they know what we're looking for (not intelligent conversation).[/QUOTE]Where would one go for intelligent conversation in HCMC? (Insert smiley here!)
[QUOTE=Muse Fan; 1203412]Whoa, whoa. I never said these places are for foreigners.
It looks like they cater more to the locals. BUT, there is one place that is at the end of le van luong close to my street (tran xuan soan) and occassionally when I pass by and glance at the girls they try to wave me down and invite me inside. So I feel pretty sure they get the occasional foreigner and they know what we're looking for (not intelligent conversation). I must admit there are some rather attractive young looking women at times at at least a few of these places.[/QUOTE]Those places are typical Blow and Gos. Go in, pick the girl, go to the cubicle, get a blow job and go. Very cheap places, rarely will you find a good girl there but sometimes you may. Usually about 150k max incl house and tip. Somebody wrote these places are 'rather far out'. Far out from where? From the airport? Yes, far from the airport. From D1? About 7 mins on bike from Pham Ngu Lao area. From Phu My Hung? Also about 7 mins on bike. Maybe that's far for some.
Muse Fan: Just go into the places. Are you afraid of something? Of what? Losing $10? Of the girls? How do you think others get this info you request here? They go in and check it out and see what's up. Just do it. Yes, the 2 places near the corner of Tran Xuan Soan and LVL across from the petrol station are B and G, very cheap, very so so on the girls but sometimes a good one. I usually pay just 120 at these places. 60 for the house and same for the girl. 150k ok too, with the high inflation nowadays.
JD
[QUOTE=NewTodd;1203414]Where would one go for intelligent conversation in HCMC? (Insert smiley here!)[/QUOTE]Ca phe thu Bay
Anyone venturing into this bar, avoid a WG called 'V'. Rushed service, negotiated $100 for a 2 hr stay with multiple pops but on arrival in my hotel she tried to ask the money up front then tried to eave after just 30 minutes. Her personality completely changed. V is a short viet girl, long waist length hair but a total disappointment and one of my worst experiences ever.
I did threaten to just give her half but decided not worth it for the hassle as she suddenly broke down in a sulky mood and started crying. Good thing about the hotel I'd the reception called me to check if if was ok for her to leave.
Was in HCMC the other night so did the rounds of the District 1 bars.
I don't often visit the bar scene as I am a cheap drunk these days, my nights of drinking all night are well behind me.
I have a favourite massage place in District 4 opposite the port I usually visit and hook up with girls from there when I am in HCMC but I was feeling like a change of scene after getting a starfish girl back to the hotel from that place.
So after grabbing a bite to eat and a couple of beers I decided to start from the 29 Dong Khoi side of town and move up through the evening. It was still fairly early when I arrived. Probably about 2200.
I walked into 29 Dong Khoi and was immediately met by a large breasted girl called Thao. Thee were 20 or so girls there and no customers other then me. Thao was full of life and I liked her big breasts, although I am sure she would not suit every monger. The other girls in there ranged from spectacular to down right scary. As soon as I sat down another 2 or 3 girls tried to get in on the action, massaging my shoulders etc, but I waved them off.
They were asking 40, 000 for a beer and 60, 000 for a LD. I tried to talk it down but it wasn't going to happen.
Thao was all over me and had her tits out straight away. She was a lot of fun and was straight away asking to go to a hotel, first customer of the night for good luck and all that. I hadn't even finished my first beer and the mamasan was there negotiating the deal to go out to the hotel. I told them to slow down and let me enjoy the scene for a bit.
My plan was originally to cruise a few more bars rather then settle on the first girl, but Thao was really doing a good job of getting me worked up. I bought the mamasan a LD and started discussing the price. She wanted 2 000 000 for taking Thao out and 600 000 for the hotel room. I declined stating it was too high, she countered with 2 000 000 the lot and I thought what the fuck.
Thao went and got changed and then mamasan hit me up for a tip, which I thought was a bit much as she had managed to squeeze a few LD's for herself as well as 4 for Thao, I gave her 100 000 which she was happy with. Thao and I hit the taxi and went to a local hotel a few blocks away she said was owned by "the boss". I asked Thao how long she had been on the game, she said "since she was a little girl". We bought a condom from the hotel reception and hit the room, which was surprisingly big and comfortable, clean and well kept.
The sex was great. Not world beating, but certainly great fun. BBBJ, DATY, different positions, and those big ol titites of hers getting lots of action. It was all good, no complaints. There was plenty of affection and kissing as well. It was all nice and good for me. After I'd done all I could we went back to the bar.
There was only one other customer when we went back to the bar, and even more girls then earlier, including plenty of real stunners, and still a few real nasties. Thao changed back to her working clothes and sat with me as affectionate as ever. There was a great vibe in the bar, the other girls were all lots of fun. I asked Thao if she wanted a real drink, instead of the coloured water they pass off as LD's, she wouldn't drink whiskey or similar, so we settled on some Baileys, they warned me of the price which was quite high. Another customer came in, Thao told me he was mamasans man, mamasan was nothing special and a decade or more older then the other girls there, but this guy obviously had his preferences and who am I to judge. The other girls all cheered as mamasan left in a taxi with him within a minute or two of this guy arriving.
I'd been here for quite some time now, and I was definatley pissed, I was determined to hit a few other bars and I was dreading getting the bill after drinking god knows how many baileys. The bill came and I was really surprised. Despite them pouring several double baileys, they had only charged me for 4 in total, plus the beers I had.
I was a little hungry after that so I staggered off looking for some food and saw a guy with a street cart selling Banh Mi, so wandered over there.
While I was certainly not lost but I was a little disoriented after homing in on the Bahn Mi cart and after the beers at 29. Didn't quite know where I was when I realised I was standing out side Thien Loc on the corner with HBT. I hit some super hot chilli in the Bahn Mi so raced for the nearest circle K for a milk drink to put the fire in my mouth out and all of a sudden was opposite 49 and 51 HBT bars.
I went into 49 HBT first, there was a single other customer there and dozens of girls. To me there was not a lot of difference in the selection here then back a 29 Dong Khoi. The girl who came to me was young, tiny and tight. We parked up at the bar and the prices were exactly the same as at 29. Shew was certainly cute, in a world scale she would have to rate higher then Thao over at 29 and she looked real young, but she wasn't really my thing, and she was a bit shy. She was good for a cuddle and bit of a feel. She let me play with her pussy and it was all good but after one beer for me, one LD for her, a small tip, I walked next door.
Into 51 HBT, a few customers in here, drinks and LD's the same price again. There were so many girls here, you tripped over them coming in the door. My girl was straight away affectionate and again settled in at the bar. She started rubbing my cock straight away but between the work out with Thao earlier and the numerous drinks he was slow to react. I told her what I had been doing all night so she said she would give me a blowjob to bring him back on the job. She offered to take me upstairs but I knew I was to far gone to enjoy it. We played at the bar for a while, she was a top class girl, neatly trimmed tight little pussy, but I was too far gone. I gave her a tip, paid for the drinks and staggered out.
I should have headed for home but I was already outside 91. This placed was packed with punters, but in my humble opinion the girls are nothing more than the girls at the other bars. Definitely dressed in more expensive clothes, definitely with a bit more attitude, definitely a higher ratio of stunners, but I really don't believe any better then the others. To me this bar just didn't have the atmosphere of the others, it seems almost clinical. The girl was pleasant, attractive, professional, but too professional compared to the other bars. I finished my beer quickly, she had two LD's in that time, I passed her a tip, bearing in mind I had been there for all of 20 mins at the most and she bitched about the tip not being enough. Given she did nothing and had two LD's in that short time I didn't care and left.
I had started the night with grand ideas but blown it all in the foirst bar, but I was happy. I had thought about heading over to Bin Bin but although the night was relatively early (just hitting midnight) I broke for home. The last block home I was followed by a woman with a girl on the back of the motorbike trying to get me to take the girl. She didn't look half bad actually, but I was done and happy to end the night with some solid sleep.
Nice report angara. Appreciate the effort. Tho its accepted that 91 is a japanese connected bar so the girls there are spoilt and bitchy. Even so 2mill st is a rip off. (the accepted rate is 1. 2 st and 2mill overnight). As the korean brothels its 600k for 1. 5hrs. I had a 18yr that I hooked at a cafe om 300k overnight. Tho she is a crack smoker so she has turned for the worse. So not going to go down that path again.
[QUOTE=Toki Jo; 1204352]Anyone venturing into this bar, avoid a WG called 'V'. Rushed service, negotiated $100 for a 2 hr stay with multiple pops but on arrival in my hotel she tried to ask the money up front then tried to eave after just 30 minutes. Her personality completely changed. V is a short viet girl, long waist length hair but a total disappointment and one of my worst experiences ever.
I did threaten to just give her half but decided not worth it for the hassle as she suddenly broke down in a sulky mood and started crying. Good thing about the hotel I'd the reception called me to check if if was ok for her to leave.[/QUOTE]In 3. 5 years of living in HCMC, I've had 2 similar incidents in total, both were pick-ups from Apocalypse.
In one of the incidents. 2 hrs 2 pops was negotiated for VND 1. 8M (USD100 at the time). Went to a ST hotel of my choosing on my motorbike. After the first pop, she got dressed and made motions to leave. So I offered her half the agreed rate (VND900k). She wouldn't accept, blocking the room door and me from leaving. I calmly left the bills on the bed and with a little force, physically remove her from the door. I went downstairs, returned the keys to the reception on the way, got on my bike and left.
The crying is a front to get you to lower your defences. They are gambling that you will think exactly that. 'not do anything / not worth it for the hassle'. That is why I always have a shortlist of ST hotels of my own I take them to. Never let the girl take you to her suggested hotel. In your case the security is obliged to help you as you are a paying guest. A phone call to reception and a request to remove a no-longer-wanted guest should be honoured and greased with a small 'tip'.
I suspect there is a 'cartel' of girls who operate in Apo, all with the same MO. Punters you have been warned. Watch yourselves out there.
[QUOTE=Angra;1217419]The last block home I was followed by a woman with a girl on the back of the motorbike trying to get me to take the girl. She didn't look half bad actually, but I was done and happy to end the night with some solid sleep.[/QUOTE]VERY NICE that you didn't take up the offer. Your pocket would have been picked and you would have got NOTHING. Surprised you were not aware. These girls, paraded by old women on bikes, are very good looking, in full make up. And the way it works is that they never have to take their makeup off. Drama is enacted within 3 minutes of being in the room, the girls pops out and you find your pocket 90% empty. They do leave enough cash for you to get home.
[QUOTE=Angra;1217419]...I have a favourite massage place in District 4 opposite the port I usually visit and hook up with girls from there when I am in HCMC but I was feeling like a change of scene after getting a starfish girl back to the hotel from that place...[/QUOTE]
Mind sharing with us some details about this place? Ticket price, level of service offered (HJ/BJ/FJ) , facilities, foot/body/both, regular/VIP rooms? If you are in a particularly good sharing mood, perhaps tag numbers of good talent at this place. :D
[QUOTE=Raverboy;1218482]Mind sharing with us some details about this place? Ticket price, level of service offered (HJ/BJ/FJ) , facilities, foot/body/both, regular/VIP rooms? If you are in a particularly good sharing mood, perhaps tag numbers of good talent at this place. :D[/QUOTE]It's the massage place straight opposite the port. There's only one. Top few floors of a cheap hotel. Its the Saigon Port Massage, straight opposite front gate of the port (Cang Saigon)
The numbers seem to change regularly, no's 8 and 9 were my faves but every time I go there the numbers have changed. From there I would arrange to meet them later. I've never got more then a HJ in the place itself and all the girls I've seen there over the years say you'll never get much more in house. Massage price is $10, tip is up to you.
[QUOTE=Nail The World;1218012]VERY NICE that you didn't take up the offer. Your pocket would have been picked and you would have got NOTHING. Surprised you were not aware. These girls, paraded by old women on bikes, are very good looking, in full make up. And the way it works is that they never have to take their makeup off. Drama is enacted within 3 minutes of being in the room, the girls pops out and you find your pocket 90% empty. They do leave enough cash for you to get home.[/QUOTE]Mate,
I would never take a girl of the back of a motor bike anywhere is SE Asia at that time of night when I am shit faced drunk.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1217686]. Even so 2mill st is a rip off. (the accepted rate is 1. 2 st and 2mill overnight).[/QUOTE]Maybe so, but I consider myself a good negotiator and I couldn't get below that, and besides it was all good for me.
I really hate to bother you guys with this, but I really need a little help. I am longtime member of the USA site, but this will be my first trip to Asia. I have read the forum, but I still have no idea about where you guys are talking about. I know nothing about the city. I will be staying at Hoang Hai Long 1 Hotel 56. 58 Pham Hong Thai, where ever that is, LOL. I know there are alot of places in town, probably near me, where I can find some action.
My question is, are there any in walking distance, and even if there is, would it be safe for a lone American to be walking the streets late at night.
Again, I appologize for the intrusion on the board, but this opportunity came up suddenly and I will be there the week after Christmas. There is little time to learn much about that area. I do want to thank the members who have given us the cab info, and the other tips about being ripped off.
Any help you care to offer, will be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=RedskinzzFans; 1221911]I really hate to bother you guys with this, but I really need a little help. I am longtime member of the USA site, but this will be my first trip to Asia. I have read the forum, but I still have no idea about where you guys are talking about. I know nothing about the city. I will be staying at Hoang Hai Long 1 Hotel 56. 58 Pham Hong Thai, where ever that is, LOL. I know there are alot of places in town, probably near me, where I can find some action.
My question is, are there any in walking distance, and even if there is, would it be safe for a lone American to be walking the streets late at night.
Again, I appologize for the intrusion on the board, but this opportunity came up suddenly and I will be there the week after Christmas. There is little time to learn much about that area. I do want to thank the members who have given us the cab info, and the other tips about being ripped off.
Any help you care to offer, will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]The hotel you staying is just opposite the landmark New World Hotel.
If you are a lone white skin and if you wander out into the street alone with BIG WORDS "NEWBIE" printed all over your face, you will likely be approached by a couple of very pretty "ladies" on their motorbikes and they will ask if you would like to have a boom-boom time for just US$10. If you say yes to them, they will take you on their bike to another hotel for the happy-hour. And that is when you will loose everything and hopefully still have your pants. These "ladies" will take your wallet and monies and run off with it while you are in the shower. And they are actually lady-boys, not real ladies.
Sometimes, these monsters will actually walk right up to you and start talking to you and grabbing your balls and when they go off, you will suddenly realised that your mobile phone and wallet is no longer in your pocket.
So the answer is NO! It is not safe for a lone white skin to walk on the street at night.
[QUOTE=RedskinzzFans; 1221911]I really hate to bother you guys with this, but I really need a little help. I am longtime member of the USA site, but this will be my first trip to Asia. I have read the forum, but I still have no idea about where you guys are talking about. I know nothing about the city. I will be staying at Hoang Hai Long 1 Hotel 56. 58 Pham Hong Thai, where ever that is, LOL. I know there are alot of places in town, probably near me, where I can find some action.
My question is, are there any in walking distance, and even if there is, would it be safe for a lone American to be walking the streets late at night.
Again, I appologize for the intrusion on the board, but this opportunity came up suddenly and I will be there the week after Christmas. There is little time to learn much about that area. I do want to thank the members who have given us the cab info, and the other tips about being ripped off.
Any help you care to offer, will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Don't listen to the other guy, HCMC is very safe to walk around at night if you keep your head like anywhere.
COmpared to many other SEA cities it's very safe
I 100% agreed with Angra, HCMC is very safe to walk around at night
I appreciate the input. I am not a novice to traveling around the US. Vegas and NYNY are the main places I go. Vegas alot more than anywhere. I know to always be on the lookout, keep an eye on what's going on behind you at all times. I've read many forums in the last couple weeks about over there. Some were not for guys like us, but more for the average tourist. So I know all about the pick-pockets, scams etc.
The main thing I wanted to know, if anybody here cares to share, are there any of the bars with the girls close by the hotel? Say maybe 3 or 4 blocks. Thank for the help. I'm used to walking, in Vegas I've walked from the Stratasphere tp Caesars many times. The cabbies say that's 2 miles. But, I wouldn't want to do it in a strange city, the first time there! I might end up in the wrong alley.
[QUOTE=RedskinzzFans;1224404]The main thing I wanted to know, if anybody here cares to share, are there any of the bars with the girls close by the hotel? Say maybe 3 or 4 blocks. Thank for the help. I'm used to walking, in Vegas I've walked from the Stratasphere tp Caesars many times. The cabbies say that's 2 miles. But, I wouldn't want to do it in a strange city, the first time there! I might end up in the wrong alley.[/QUOTE]Saigon is one of the safest (if not the safest) large cities in the world. What other large city (more than a few million) is safer?
My advice: Take the taxi. The cost will be just 1 or 2 dollars to most places (it will be around a dollar from your hotel to many places). Get the addresses from Wendella's post and his link to that website. And always take Vinasun or Mai Linh (if you don't want to pay double).
[QUOTE=GreenBud; 1225064]Saigon is one of the safest (if not the safest) large cities in the world. What other large city (more than a few million) is safer?
My advice: Take the taxi. The cost will be just 1 or 2 dollars to most places (it will be around a dollar from your hotel to many places). Get the addresses from Wendella's post and his link to that website. And always take Vinasun or Mai Linh (if you don't want to pay double).[/QUOTE]+1 Saigon (HCMC) is very safe for walking around. The only caveat is drunkenness may make you a target, and in all cases, snatchings of bags and phones by motorbike riders is very common. Keep bags and phones away from the street side and stay close to a wall because they will ride up on the sidewalk around the other side if you don't keep something blocking them. You just don't have to worry about people approaching you and threatening violence (mugging) , they will try to pickpocket when in close or snatch. These activities are usually not dangerous, but it is crime and you will lose time and money and valuables if not careful.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1225255]+1 Saigon (HCMC) is very safe for walking around. The only caveat is drunkenness may make you a target, and in all cases, snatchings of bags and phones by motorbike riders is very common. Keep bags and phones away from the street side and stay close to a wall because they will ride up on the sidewalk around the other side if you don't keep something blocking them. You just don't have to worry about people approaching you and threatening violence (mugging) , they will try to pickpocket when in close or snatch. These activities are usually not dangerous, but it is crime and you will lose time and money and valuables if not careful.
JD[/QUOTE]Let me put it this way. You walk in the street carrying a bag, with your passport and money and phone and camera inside, and a motorbike comes up to you and snatch it from you but you were totally left unharm. And if you call that SAFE, then I would agree with the few guys here that says HCMC is totally SAFE to walk around. But that still does not make HCMC one of the safest (if not the safest) plase in South East Asia, to walk around alone.
My personal experience, in 3 years, I have faced such snatch thief 3 times. The last time, the motorbike dragged me for 5 meters down the road, my pants and shirt got torn. And that happened last year just in a street behind NGUYEN HUE in D1. They did not point a knife or gun at me, so I guess that means it is still considered SAFE.
Also if you are riding on a motorbike when the motorbike snatch-thieves decide to target you. Then they will often try to yank quickly on your bag so that your bike falls over (so you can't then chase them) , and of course you can be injured pretty badly that way. A passenger on my bike was once robbed that way (we did not fall over, and actually chased them a few blocks before they got away). But I've heard of many people being robbed and knocked down on their bikes, some badly injured. Pham Ngu Lao backpacker district is another prime area for this.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1225842]Also if you are riding on a motorbike when the motorbike snatch-thieves decide to target you. Then they will often try to yank quickly on your bag so that your bike falls over (so you can't then chase them) , and of course you can be injured pretty badly that way. A passenger on my bike was once robbed that way (we did not fall over, and actually chased them a few blocks before they got away). But I've heard of many people being robbed and knocked down on their bikes, some badly injured. Pham Ngu Lao backpacker district is another prime area for this.[/QUOTE]Yah, but that definatly does not make HCMC dangerous. In fact as some brudders here said and even swear by it. HCMC is one of the (if not the most) safest city in the whole fucking world! So long that these thieves, robbers, scumps does not put a knife or a gun at your head and command you to do a BJ for them on the spot, it should not be considered dangerous.
All these acts of agressions, such as snatching your bag, your mobile phones, your wallets. These are all actually quite safe, totally harmless and in no way to be considered dangerous, and if you fall of the fucking bike. Its your own fucking fault. Right?
[QUOTE=Deptrai; 1225301]Let me put it this way. You walk in the street carrying a bag, with your passport and money and phone and camera inside, and a motorbike comes up to you and snatch it from you but you were totally left unharm. And if you call that SAFE, then I would agree with the few guys here that says HCMC is totally SAFE to walk around. But that still does not make HCMC one of the safest (if not the safest) plase in South East Asia, to walk around alone.
My personal experience, in 3 years, I have faced such snatch thief 3 times. The last time, the motorbike dragged me for 5 meters down the road, my pants and shirt got torn. And that happened last year just in a street behind NGUYEN HUE in D1. They did not point a knife or gun at me, so I guess that means it is still considered SAFE.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. In 3.5 years living in HCMC I have never encountered such snatch theft / pick pocket, and I have riden my motorbike in the wee hours going home from clubbing. Moreover, you're physically bigger than I am. My opinion - you were just unlucky.
[QUOTE=Deptrai;1225844]All these acts of agressions, such as snatching your bag, your mobile phones, your wallets. These are all actually quite safe, totally harmless and in no way to be considered dangerous, and if you fall of the fucking bike. Its your own fucking fault. Right?[/QUOTE]I actually agree with you that HCMC is safe. I would bet the murder rate is quite low compared to other places. Manila comes to mind.
I wasn't talking about "falling" off a motorbike. More like 2 young guys zoom up from 7 o'clock position, unseen, grab the bag and give a good tug to PULL you straight down. Your fault? Maybe we have different definitions of fault. Me, I'd say that's the fault of the thieves. Only with some good luck would the victim not go down in that case. But if it's not the fault of the attackers, then I suppose they didn't do anything wrong, eh? ;)
Anyway, if your point is that HCMC is relatively safe, I'm with you. Totally safe? I wouldn't go that far.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1226083]I actually agree with you that HCMC is safe. I would bet the murder rate is quite low compared to other places. Manila comes to mind.
I wasn't talking about "falling" off a motorbike. More like 2 young guys zoom up from 7 o'clock position, unseen, grab the bag and give a good tug to PULL you straight down. Your fault? Maybe we have different definitions of fault. Me, I'd say that's the fault of the thieves. Only with some good luck would the victim not go down in that case. But if it's not the fault of the attackers, then I suppose they didn't do anything wrong, eh? .
Anyway, if your point is that HCMC is relatively safe, I'm with you. Totally safe? I wouldn't go that far.[/QUOTE]My point is that HCMC is NOT safe! Especially for the newbies who are not mindful about what is lurking in the shadows. To me (being from Singapore) safe means:
1. No Snatch Thief
2. No frequent accidents on the road caused by robbers.
3. No ladyboys or motorcycle ladies pretending to sell you cheap sex and just wanted to run away with your wallet.
4. No need to worry about walking on the side of the road and have to remember to hold your bag on the opposite side of the ROAD.
5. No need. Etc etc.
Just like you can spend many nights walking up and down clarke quay and Geylang and you can even take a stack of CASH, fan it out and use that as a fan just to look cool and nobody's going to try to grab it from you.
That I call safe.
Anything less than that, I would say. UNSAFE.
Imagine. You are going to fly out of HCMC tomorrow morning. And tonight, someone just snatched your bag, inside contains your passport, CASH, credit cards, camera. Sure, you are not hurt. But do you really call that safe?
When we talk about safe, we should include not only our own physical safety but also safety of our belongings (and of course people who are not rich and have NOTHING to loose will not think about this).
[QUOTE=Deptrai; 1226386]My point is that HCMC is NOT safe! Especially for the newbies who are not mindful about what is lurking in the shadows. To me (being from Singapore) safe means:
1. No Snatch Thief
2. No frequent accidents on the road caused by robbers.
3. No ladyboys or motorcycle ladies pretending to sell you cheap sex and just wanted to run away with your wallet.
4. No need to worry about walking on the side of the road and have to remember to hold your bag on the opposite side of the ROAD.
5. No need. Etc etc.
Just like you can spend many nights walking up and down clarke quay and Geylang and you can even take a stack of CASH, fan it out and use that as a fan just to look cool and nobody's going to try to grab it from you.
That I call safe.
Anything less than that, I would say. UNSAFE.
Imagine. You are going to fly out of HCMC tomorrow morning. And tonight, someone just snatched your bag, inside contains your passport, CASH, credit cards, camera. Sure, you are not hurt. But do you really call that safe?
When we talk about safe, we should include not only our own physical safety but also safety of our belongings (and of course people who are not rich and have NOTHING to loose will not think about this).[/QUOTE]Geez mate, come to Manila or Jakarta or even Yogyakarta with me and I'll show you some real action.
HCMC is way safer then any of those places for mongering. I've been held at gunpoint in Manila and Kingston, Jamaica. I've been knifed and car jacked TWICE in Port Moresby. I've been in some fucking hairy situations in Indo, HCMC got nothing of these things.
I was mugged at 0900 in Circular Quay, Sydney while eating a muffin on a park bench by drunken yobs.
DO you really think bag snatching is dangerous? You are living in a fantasy. Property crime does not rate as dangerous on a world scale.
Frequent accidents caused by robbers? I challenge your definition of frequent?
Ladyboys stealing wallets. Part of the game mate, same around the world, doesn't change the definition of safe.
How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?
Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.
I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe means
[QUOTE=Deptrai;1226386].To me (being from Singapore) safe means:.[/QUOTE]In Singapore you are parted from your money way more the legal way than anyting "dangerous" in TP HCM.
[QUOTE=Angra; 1226732]How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?
Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.
I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe means[/QUOTE]Nah, I don't care about your "world scale" of safety, I only care about my own safety and it is definitely not a fantasy in more civilized country such as Singapore (where I live ).
Having said that, I would definitely like the opportunity to meet up with you and buy you a beer and listen to your full versions of those encounters you mentioned. I will let you know my next scheduled trip to HCMC, mate!
Hello, I will be going to HCMC in mid March 2012, so I was wondering if anyone else wants to go on the prowl with me. Hit up the bars and clubs of HCMC. Just pm me. I am planning to go to HK and China too.
[QUOTE=Deptrai; 1226386]My point is that HCMC is NOT safe! Especially for the newbies who are not mindful about what is lurking in the shadows. To me (being from Singapore) safe means:
1. No Snatch Thief
2. No frequent accidents on the road caused by robbers.
3. No ladyboys or motorcycle ladies pretending to sell you cheap sex and just wanted to run away with your wallet.
4. No need to worry about walking on the side of the road and have to remember to hold your bag on the opposite side of the ROAD.
5. No need. Etc etc.[/QUOTE]Vietnam is by-far one of the safest countries to travel in Asia. There are only two other places that are relatively safe in Asia, Singapore and Japan. But almost EVERY major city across the world has petty theft such as bag-snatchers. Of course leave your bag on the side farthest away from a busy street, that's common sense. I've had more problems of crime in other countries than I have ever had in Vietnam.
If you did get your stuff snatched, I'm sorry to hear that. However, this is by far a much safer environment than most cities in Asia. Its also way safer than most metropolitan cities in the US.
[QUOTE=Alwayshard45;1227078]There are only two other places that are relatively safe in Asia, Singapore and Japan.[/QUOTE]How can you find Korea dangerous?
[QUOTE=Angra; 1226732]Geez mate, come to Manila or Jakarta or even Yogyakarta with me and I'll show you some real action.
HCMC is way safer then any of those places for mongering. I've been held at gunpoint in Manila and Kingston, Jamaica. I've been knifed and car jacked TWICE in Port Moresby. I've been in some fucking hairy situations in Indo, HCMC got nothing of these things.
I was mugged at 0900 in Circular Quay, Sydney while eating a muffin on a park bench by drunken yobs.
DO you really think bag snatching is dangerous? You are living in a fantasy. Property crime does not rate as dangerous on a world scale.
Frequent accidents caused by robbers? I challenge your definition of frequent?
Ladyboys stealing wallets. Part of the game mate, same around the world, doesn't change the definition of safe.
How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?
Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.
I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe means[/QUOTE]Safe the official definition is.
Free from harm or risk : unhurt.
Secure from threat of danger, harm, or loss.
Notice it includes loss ie property damage
So if you want to question anothers understanding of english, you should check the dictionary first. I agree if you talk about vn being safe from a definition perspective then it isn't safe. But it is safe to walk at night with simple precautions however there has been a rise in bike jackings so this situation may not remain the same.
That being said I have never had problems in sydney, jakarta, or manila. And never in Sg except that girls here always want to take / steal my virginity.
[url]http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20111215-Hong[/url]%20Kong-tourists-say-robbed-sell-photos-for-food. Aspx.
Hong Kong tourists say robbed, sell photos for food
Last updated: 12/15/2011 11:00
Doris and Kay sell their own photos on Ho Chi Minh City's Bui Vien Street after being robbed off all their possessions, including identity papers.
Two tourists from Hong Kong are selling their own pictures on the street in downtown Ho Chi Minh City to be able to get their daily meals.
They claim they were robbed of all their possessions and identity papers by bag-snatchers on a scooter.
Their story and photographs, posted on a blog on Wednesday, have spread rapidly and attracted sympathy from many netizens.
Doris and Kay say they lost their bag with their cash, credit cards and identity papers while walking on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh Street in Binh Thanh District.
After reporting the robbery to the local police and getting an appointment for a week later to see if they could retrieve their belongings, the duo went to District 1's Bui Vien Street – known as the city's backpacker's area – to sell photos for food.
On a piece of cardboard, they wrote: 'All robbed, please support. ' And a piece of paper carries information about their loss in Vietnamese, asking people with any information to call 0908. 012123.
On another piece of cardboard, they warn others to be careful. 'We are from Hong Kong. Just watch out professional scooter robbery! Kay and Doris. '
Within 24 hours after their story was first posted on a blog, many netizens have shown their sympathy and expressed their readiness to support them.
Blogger Poly said the duo had planned to spend Christmas and the New Year Day in Vietnam. They are waiting to obtain a new passport from the Consulate General and are having to sell their own photos to survive.
'Doris is a woman and she should not sit on a HCMC street all day in changing weather. We should know why Doris is crying. What would they say when they get back to their own country? ' the blogger wrote.
Many others have offered to host the duo in their homes and said they are furious with the robbers who give the city a bad name.
Thanh Nien Weekly was not able to reach the Pham Ngu Lao Police Station for comment despite several calls.
A shop owner on Bui Vien Street told Thanh Nien Weekly on Thursday that the duo were selling their photos on Wednesday evening and a resident on the street let them stay in their house later.
[QUOTE=Whisper1; 1227274][url]http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20111215-Hong[/url]
%20Kong-tourists-say-robbed-sell-photos-for-food. Aspx.
Hong Kong tourists say robbed, sell photos for food
Last updated: 12/15/2011 11:00
Doris and Kay sell their own photos on Ho Chi Minh City's Bui Vien Street after being robbed off all their possessions, including identity papers.
Two tourists from Hong Kong are selling their own pictures on the street in downtown Ho Chi Minh City to be able to get their daily meals.
They claim they were robbed of all their possessions and identity papers by bag-snatchers on a scooter.
Their story and photographs, posted on a blog on Wednesday, have spread rapidly and attracted sympathy from many netizens.
Doris and Kay say they lost their bag with their cash, credit cards and identity papers while walking on Xo Viet Nghe Tinh Street in Binh Thanh District.
After reporting the robbery to the local police and getting an appointment for a week later to see if they could retrieve their belongings, the duo went to District 1's Bui Vien Street – known as the city's backpacker's area – to sell photos for food.
On a piece of cardboard, they wrote: 'All robbed, please support. ' And a piece of paper carries information about their loss in Vietnamese, asking people with any information to call 0908. 012123.
On another piece of cardboard, they warn others to be careful. 'We are from Hong Kong. Just watch out professional scooter robbery! Kay and Doris. '
Within 24 hours after their story was first posted on a blog, many netizens have shown their sympathy and expressed their readiness to support them.
Blogger Poly said the duo had planned to spend Christmas and the New Year Day in Vietnam. They are waiting to obtain a new passport from the Consulate General and are having to sell their own photos to survive.
'Doris is a woman and she should not sit on a HCMC street all day in changing weather. We should know why Doris is crying. What would they say when they get back to their own country? ' the blogger wrote.
Many others have offered to host the duo in their homes and said they are furious with the robbers who give the city a bad name.
Thanh Nien Weekly was not able to reach the Pham Ngu Lao Police Station for comment despite several calls.
A shop owner on Bui Vien Street told Thanh Nien Weekly on Thursday that the duo were selling their photos on Wednesday evening and a resident on the street let them stay in their house later.[/QUOTE]I saw the guy on Bui Vien a few days ago.
IMO, I say they're fakes.
Reasons:
1) Shouldn't they have family or friends in Hong Kong to send them money?
2) If they lost their credit cards, they should be able to get VISA or Mastercard to mail them new ones (in the US, it will take a few days). In the US, the card card company has emergency services where they will help you out immediately (probably can arrange a stay in a hotel).
3) In these days of the digitial camera, why the hell would they print the pictures "during" their trip?
Do they want money to stay on till Christmas and New Year's? They should still have their airline ticket that they still can use.
If you're a US citizen, the US embassy will help you out (that's what you could tell scammers who claim to be US citizens stuck in the third world when they beg for money). Not sure about Hong Kong.
Totally fake. An internet publicity stunt.
[QUOTE=Deptrai;1226386]My point is that HCMC is NOT safe![/QUOTE]Ah ok I missed your sarcasm then. Now I see. If we are talking about danger of crime, I would still say that HCMC feels to me like there is less risk of crime and / or physical danger than most places. I have not been to Manila but have heard very bad things about it, even one friend who got drugged and robbed there recently. I myself was drugged and robbed in a hotel in Thailand (no girls involved, surprisingly. Just me in an empty hotel room. It msut have been put in the complimentary bottled water). Regardless, to me Thailand still feels "safe" compared to other places I've been. Safer than Cambodia surely. And about on par with Vietnam. I have felt much more sense of risk in places like New York, Chicago, London, Paris than in Thailand or Vietnam.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1227149]That being said I have never had problems in sydney, jakarta, or manila. And never in Sg except that girls here always want to take / steal my virginity.[/QUOTE]Heh heh, by that definition I suppose Bangkok must be the world's most dangerous city.
Points made about Singapore and Japan. And Korea. Yes I suppose one might say those are safer (whether in terms of crimes in general or violence in particular) than HCMC. I've only spent a very little time in Seoul, so can't really speak from personal experience. Then again, one can feel obliviously safe in the most dangerous place in the world, up until the moment he's attacked. Maybe crime statistics are what should be looked at, rather than the subjective personal observations we're mainly getting here ("I've never witnessed any crime in XX" but then someone else has experienced it first-hand, so who's right). For me, I've never experienced any crime in Cambodia, though it did feel more dangerous to me than Thailand. But that was from hearing about how many people there had guns and how hold-ups were frequent. So it was more based on warnings I'd heard or read about. Or stories of shootings in nightclubs or dark streets.
Yes the feeling is indeed subjective, and yes you are safe until something happens.
I have personally seen the 3 person pick-pocket move happen. I felt something was not right, and next thing some guy ahead of me was robbed. Saw the whole thing unfold! I have also been the target of a drink spiking episode. Fortunately I saw it, but wasn't quick enough to stop the girl I was with from taking a swig of my drink. I left with her, and further down the road had to stop the scooter while she had a chunder. Right then 3 heavies came to us on scooters clearly expecting that I would be the one doubled up and vomiting. When they saw it was the girl not me, the left very fast!
My belief is that if you are drunk and naive then you are likely to be a target. Anywhere in the world!
Ozirob
There are a lot (too many I feel) of confusing abbreviations in the Ho Chi Minh section. I arrived yesterday and worked things out but it took a while. Here is a concise report:
NPK = Nguyen Ph Khanh Street.
HBT = Hai Ba Trung Street.
BV = Ba Vi Street.
DBP = Dien Bien Phu Street.
Ba Vi is in the Korean Area near the airport. This area on the map is called Tan Binh District (this is NOT district 10. It is another area completely). This area I think is the best area for mongering in Ho Chi Minh although I realise that everyones take will be different. In my experience the action is not really on Ba Vi street itself but rather in the next parrallel street along. Can't recall the name but begins with a Q. Look for barber shops with forsted windows and I would suggest the best time to arrive is 2pm.
All of the above locations can be found on as follows:
Get your taxi into town from the Vinasun counter in the arrivals area and ask for their Vinasun City Map. The map isn't marked in rows and columns but assume each fold rectangle to be in columns of A to G aand the rows to be from 1 to 3.
NPK = F2 (actually right on the fold between column E and F)
HBT = The area near the Carvelle Hotel at F2 (bottom right hand corner of that rectangle)
BV = C1 (bottom centre of that rectangle)
DBP = Long Street and didn't go to Benny V's so don't know where on this map it is.
Hope this helps.
BB
I heard a story this week, someone saw some bag-snatchers in the Pham Ngu Lao area running away and some guys grabbed them and took them away. Turned out the guys who took them were plain clothes police officers.
[QUOTE=Angra; 1226732]Geez mate, come to Manila or Jakarta or even Yogyakarta with me and I'll show you some real action.
HCMC is way safer then any of those places for mongering. I've been held at gunpoint in Manila and Kingston, Jamaica. I've been knifed and car jacked TWICE in Port Moresby. I've been in some fucking hairy situations in Indo, HCMC got nothing of these things.
I was mugged at 0900 in Circular Quay, Sydney while eating a muffin on a park bench by drunken yobs.
DO you really think bag snatching is dangerous? You are living in a fantasy. Property crime does not rate as dangerous on a world scale.
Frequent accidents caused by robbers? I challenge your definition of frequent?
Ladyboys stealing wallets. Part of the game mate, same around the world, doesn't change the definition of safe.
How does l; osing your passport camera etc change the definition of SAFE? Maybe you don't understand the English language?
Who goes out mongering with their passport etc etc. This is serious user error.
I'm in HCMC right now. Lets meet up tonight I'll show you what safe means[/QUOTE]To Angra
I agree totally but the poor guy is from Singapore and you cannot even chew gum there is against the LAW so he don't know what is danger.
Fast Eddie 8
Yes bro agree totally too.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1233238]To Angra
I agree totally but the poor guy is from Singapore and you cannot even chew gum there is against the LAW so he don't know what is danger.
Fast Eddie 8[/QUOTE]
I was at the HBT bar last night first go to bar 91 alot of pretty girl mamasan want 25 USD barfine and 60 USD for the girl st, also go to bar 49 and 51 and they want the same not sure they are working together or they are own by same owner, now even the motor bike guy and pimp want USD not dong, pimp is offering girl for 800, 000 or 40 USD for girl st I take a young viet tall spinner service is just ok staying at hotel at HBT just a few door down by bar 91 for 38 USD a night.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1233238]To Angra
I agree totally but the poor guy is from Singapore and you cannot even chew gum there is against the LAW so he don't know what is danger.
Fast Eddie 8[/QUOTE]
To be perfectly clear it is the [b]sale[/b] of chewing gum that is banned in Singapore. The chewing of gum itself, is not illegal.
OK guys,
I read the forum extensively and I was hesitating coming to Vietnam for a long time. I have extensive experience in Philippines, etc also some in Cambogia. To be clear, I do not expect to find the same thing in Vietnam, but I want to explore a new place with some fun mixed in. So I do not want brothels, haircutshops or cheating motobike girls. I am looking for freelancers in Clubs (something like LA / Manila Bay Cafe, Martinis in Cambodgia etc, you get the picture. A place were pros and especially semi-pros part time freelancers hang out. How many such places are in Saigon?"Apochalypse Now" is the only one? I can live with that too as long as there are girls available for a decent price. My idea of decent price would be 40-50 USD / ST (2xpops). I know that apart from Philippines the LT notion is almost non existent so thats why I can be fine with ST. Are these prices realistic nowdays?
At the beach resorts are there freelance clubs? I see almost no reports here.
Regarding the hotels, is still the rule of separate room still there? I am intending to avoid the big hotels and get to the smaller ones!
Thanks for your input guys.
[QUOTE=Quasarus; 1253845]OK guys,
?"Apochalypse Now" is the only one? I can live with that too as long as there are girls available for a decent price. My idea of decent price would be 40-50 USD / ST (2xpops). Are these prices realistic nowdays?
At the beach resorts are there freelance clubs? I see almost no reports here.
Regarding the hotels, is still the rule of separate room still there? I am intending to avoid the big hotels and get to the smaller ones![/QUOTE]Q: I've been lucky at Apocalypse but detest the loud music. The girls are also pricey. They want $100 US for the night but may settle for less. I've had some real stunners there, tho. My first girl in Vietnam was from there: a busty Camo-Vietnamese blow job artist. I also had a beautiful Amerasian girl there and a gorgeous Taiwanese girl that sucked my schwantzooka many times while being filmed.
You can also take the hydrofoil to Vung Tau where there are beach resorts and take-outs for cheaper but not the quality of Saigon girls.
As far as hotels, you might have to get a separate room for the girl unless you tell the manager ahead of time that your girlfriend will be visiting. That's what I did and got away with it. Good luck. If you see any busty ones kindly let me know!
I haven't been to Philippines but have been to Cambodia (Martinis). How many places like that in Saigon? Zero. Vietnam? Zero. You'll be extremely disappointed in Vietnam if that's your expectation. For someone coming in for a short visit, not knowing the ropes or language, you simply won't be able to find LT's at what you call decent prices, or even double that. The options that are available would take some explaining (or reading back thru the forum hint hint) , but in short it takes a lot more leg-work and time than you're probably willing to put in. Going to Cambodia and Philippines, you're used to a much more user-friendly environment; Vietnam is NOT like that. Apocalypse Now for example is dominated by normal clubbers with the odd working girl mixed in here and there, just a few usually, and usually not ones you'd be too keen on. A place like Phnom Penh's Martinis where you walk in and every girl in the place is available at very low prices, with 50-100 girls there (or more) , that just doesn't exist in VN. After one night out, you'll be regretting coming here.
[QUOTE=Quasarus; 1253845]OK guys,
I read the forum extensively and I was hesitating coming to Vietnam for a long time. I have extensive experience in Philippines, etc also some in Cambogia. To be clear, I do not expect to find the same thing in Vietnam, but I want to explore a new place with some fun mixed in. So I do not want brothels, haircutshops or cheating motobike girls. I am looking for freelancers in Clubs (something like LA / Manila Bay Cafe, Martinis in Cambodgia etc, you get the picture. A place were pros and especially semi-pros part time freelancers hang out. How many such places are in Saigon?"Apochalypse Now" is the only one? I can live with that too as long as there are girls available for a decent price. My idea of decent price would be 40-50 USD / ST (2xpops). I know that apart from Philippines the LT notion is almost non existent so thats why I can be fine with ST. Are these prices realistic nowdays?
At the beach resorts are there freelance clubs? I see almost no reports here.
Regarding the hotels, is still the rule of separate room still there? I am intending to avoid the big hotels and get to the smaller ones!
Thanks for your input guys.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the honest and streight reply. Now I am thinking about bringing my GF from the Philippines and just doing touristy stuff. I would certainly not be willing to pay 100 US for a piece of ST Viet ass. I am still puzzled why the Viets are travelling all the way to Cambo to sell their asses for 20 bucks when they can make easly 100 back home. More restriction I know, but still.
[QUOTE=Quasarus;1254695]Thanks for the honest and streight reply. Now I am thinking about bringing my GF from the Philippines and just doing touristy stuff. I would certainly not be willing to pay 100 US for a piece of ST Viet ass. I am still puzzled why the Viets are travelling all the way to Cambo to sell their asses for 20 bucks when they can make easly 100 back home. More restriction I know, but still.[/QUOTE]Well the answer is that the girls going to cambo are often girls living in villages close to cambo. Secondly if you know where to go in vn the local price is only 15usd, the girls who get 100usd are much better looking than the girls in cambo or they are targeting clueless tourist. I was in cambo last year and frankly I found it impossible to find one I thought was acceptible.
[QUOTE=Quasarus;1254695]Thanks for the honest and streight reply. Now I am thinking about bringing my GF from the Philippines and just doing touristy stuff. I would certainly not be willing to pay 100 US for a piece of ST Viet ass. I am still puzzled why the Viets are travelling all the way to Cambo to sell their asses for 20 bucks when they can make easly 100 back home. More restriction I know, but still.[/QUOTE]To Quasarus,
I was in HCM city for 4 night last month the most I spend is 40 USD ST for a young cute viet girl but service is not very good, this is my first trip to vietnam and I been to Cambodia 2 time and PI 5 time, if you know where to look you don't need to paid 100 USD.
For a viet girl, I think Manila and AC is much better for mongering than in Vietnam.
Fast Eddie 48
Assuming that I will bring over my Filipina GF I hope that the stupid hotel rules do not apply when it comes to foreign citizens. Am I right?
Regarding the post bellow. 40 US ST would be acceptable if the girl comes to your hotel and stays for 2-3 h. Otherwise its a waste in my opinion. I hate "service" places (brothels, massage salons, fishbowls) , I would rather use my right hand.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1245460]I was at the HBT bar last night first go to bar 91 alot of pretty girl mamasan want 25 USD barfine and 60 USD for the girl st, also go to bar 49 and 51 and they want the same not sure they are working together or they are own by same owner, now even the motor bike guy and pimp want USD not dong, pimp is offering girl for 800, 000 or 40 USD for girl st I take a young viet tall spinner service is just ok staying at hotel at HBT just a few door down by bar 91 for 38 USD a night.
Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]They tend to quote in US dollars because they know how hard it can be for foreigners to do the calculation (at 20, 000 to $1US). I've always paid in dong. Just ask the dong price.
Hi dear punters,
I happen to be in HCMC and had my foot stepped to HBT. All I did so far was having a quick beer in 91 (just to see the place). I was wondering how the system of drinks and tips work? I obviously expect to buy a LD or two for the girl who's talking to me (even if I'm not thinking of taking her) but what about the 'tip'? This is something new to me and I haven't got much clue if this is a standard and if so how much it has to be?
Can I just outright take any girl I like there? Or is it the girl who has to show initiative and approach me? I saw a bunch of girls who didn't seem to show much interest. Usually I am a picky customer and wouldn't settle for any random girl who would approach me and prefer to choose myself instead. However I would be happy to have a chat with someone, ask few things and perhaps request some other girl later. Just how the whole tipping process works? I don't want to look bad for not giving the tip (or enough tip) when it's due but also don't wan't to look silly splashing cash around for no reason.
HCMC looks like a very nice city but probably can't count as having visited it properly without sampling a pretty lady there.
Comparing anywhere in Vietnam to any other country is like comparing apples to oranges. Other countries have a more liberal attitude towards mongering. Remeber where you are before you start talking out of your ass. If you get ripped off here take it as a learning experience and move on. This constant whining is getting old, for the love of God read the the fuckin forum. If the price is too high walk away, try some where else, or go to your hotel room and jerk one out.
Peace
I did have some questions in my previous posts but I think I have already found all the answers. I guess I just had to go to a few more bars and the same HBT 91 once again which I did last night. I'm quite surprised how simple it actually is and how it works. Pretty much the same as Go-go bars in Bangkok except that the girls are not "dancing" on the stage. Instead the mamasan (or the bartender) gets the girls to line up in front of the customer to have a look and choose. Then the girl sits down next to the customer, has a drink, if you like the girl pay a barfine (which is drinks-inclusive) of 600K. Drink prices are 40K for a beer and that is also the price shown in the menu (didn't see one in 91 but saw one in HBT50). The price for the girl seems to be in line with what I was reading recently by some other dear monger: it's 1. 2 million for ST excluding tips. No nasty attempts to 'rip-off' or need to tell 'that I paid less for the drink last week' as described in some older reports. I guess that's what confused me a little bit and made too cautious. Perhaps same as some horror stories about taking taxis in Saigon that I was reading (fake taxis, robbed passengers, gangs with metal bars threatening to kill if not paid, etc.). I was freaking out before realizing that Saigon is actually one of the easiest and safest places to get a taxi and noone's going to rob you or charge 20x the normal price.
I was expecting to have a bit more of a hard time after reading some reports and tips by other mongers but now can firmly conclude that it's no more complicated than Thailand go-gos. The service and conduct of bartender and mamasan at the Billiards (91 and 50 at least) is actually very good and friendly. Except that there don't seem to be too many customers and the bars are rather limited in size. In any case, I really like those places.
Anyway, I'm getting to love Saigon. Not just for the bars obviously but in general. It is a great place for having women and seemingly very very easy.
Also, I was just wondering if the bartender in 91 is available for pick up? She is one real hottie! Or are bartenders sticking to their job of dealing with the drinks?
[QUOTE=Expatriot; 1293667]Comparing anywhere in Vietnam to any other country is like comparing apples to oranges. Other countries have a more liberal attitude towards mongering. Remeber where you are before you start talking out of your ass. If you get ripped off here take it as a learning experience and move on. This constant whining is getting old, for the love of God read the the fuckin forum. If the price is too high walk away, try some where else, or go to your hotel room and jerk one out.
Peace[/QUOTE]Sorry I don't understand your point here. Was that directed at me or is that a general observation you're making? What's wrong with comparing? I think it is actually very easy and sensible to compare, say, HCMC to Bangkok. The former is smaller, quieter and less crowded while the latter is much more of everything. I would not say the attitude to sex itself is more / less liberal in either country. It's pretty much the same for most part except that Vietnam is a bit inexperienced with mass tourism and 'contemporary' forms of entertainment and got on the map of contemporary SE Asia kinda recently. It's just a matter of a few years before things get ironed out (like the nonsense with some hotels not allowing guests). I would never complain about the price either. Neither do I ever negotiate trying to push down the price by a few cents. I Was just wondering about what is typical and what is not. It's not about the money but about being or not being ripped-off. It's just a matter of dignity and self esteem for me. Anyway, it seems I've already figured everything out by now. Any worries or concerns seem to have been ungrounded. Perhaps it is still better to be cautious and later relax than being too relaxed and get burned later.
[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1293888]Sorry I don't understand your point here. Was that directed at me or is that a general observation you're making? What's wrong with comparing? I think it is actually very easy and sensible to compare, say, HCMC to Bangkok. The former is smaller, quieter and less crowded while the latter is much more of everything. I would not say the attitude to sex itself is more / less liberal in either country. It's pretty much the same for most part except that Vietnam is a bit inexperienced with mass tourism and 'contemporary' forms of entertainment and got on the map of contemporary SE Asia kinda recently. It's just a matter of a few years before things get ironed out (like the nonsense with some hotels not allowing guests). I would never complain about the price either. Neither do I ever negotiate trying to push down the price by a few cents. I Was just wondering about what is typical and what is not. It's not about the money but about being or not being ripped-off. It's just a matter of dignity and self esteem for me. Anyway, it seems I've already figured everything out by now. Any worries or concerns seem to have been ungrounded. Perhaps it is still better to be cautious and later relax than being too relaxed and get burned later.[/QUOTE]Like you, I also don't understand what's wrong with comparing the countries, whether they're like apples and oranges or any other kinds of fruit. In fact people do actually compare apples and oranges all the time. For example, apples hold up much better to baking, and so a pie made with apples is going to be much better than one made with oranges. On the other hand, oranges are much easier to squeeze juice from. Think of all the problems we'd have with squishy pies and exhaustion from squeezing apples if we didn't make these kinds of comparisons. That said, he does have a point that Vietnam is much more conservative re sex than Thailand, in the general population at least. These girls you're meeting are very much the exception though, and they actually are similar in attitude to their career counterparts in Thailand, Cambodia, and other countries. I don't think your prediction about hotels will come true any time soon. If you search on my old posts, I did a pretty complete 'guide' to just what you were asking about awhile back. How to work it in those bars. Looks like you figured things out on your own though; for example getting the mamasan to line the girls up rather than stick with the one who chooses you, and so on. Since I posted my long overview of those bars, some of them have closed. [added note: the version of the guide that was on another forum was a bit more complete/up to date, so i just copied that one and posted it here. There is another version here in this forum back in 2009 that you can also check out, though it's mostly the same as this one, just minor changes I think. I don't think the "How it works" part is in 2009 here though)
Note, this was written in 2011, just editing now to get rid of the closed bars and changes in intel.
District 1 Bars with girls
This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out.
The Bars
There's a star rating (* * *) for each bar. Remember, your own taste may be different. In the best bars (three *'s and above) you can usually find some very attractive girls, often with a difficult choice of which girl you like best. In most bars (* * to * * ½) , there is still a chance of finding a hot girl, but less likely than in those rated * * * and above. In the bars at * ½ and under, you will be lucky if a very cute one is there, and these places usually have mostly less attractive or older girls (for example, it would be rare that 49 Dong Khoi has any Girls who could get hired at 91 Hai Ba Trung). But if you visited every bar in one evening, you almost surely would find one pleasant surprise in one of the lesser rated bars.
Many of the names of these bars are just a number, which is their address, so for those only their address is listed.
HAI BA TRUNG AREA
35 Hai Ba Trung * * Small relaxing bar with just a few girls, usually average to slightly above avg. In quality. A balcony level with a pool table where you can get to know the girl better.
49 Hai Ba Trung * * ½ Fairly large bar, relaxed, long and narrow with a back room, which has a 2nd pool table and where things can be quite cozy. Girls are usually more plentiful and in general a bit cuter than at 35.
51 Hai Ba Trung * * * A bit smaller than 49, but just as relaxed. Better than average girl selection and quality (more so than 49, in my opinion). This one seems to get new girls more often than most, and the occassional gorgeous one. They also have 2 pool tables, one in back a step down and another up on balcony level.
91 Hai Ba Trung * * * ½ This bar is the biggest and has the most girls, and they tend to be prettiest in general, also younger and taller. It is the one bar where things tend to be least cozy, and the girls more full of themselves (they're pretty and know it) but if your preference is looks over service, this is the one to visit. This would get 4 stars if girls there were as friendly as in other bars. Not relaxing.
2 Sisters * * 44 Dong Du. (formerly Saigon NY) Small bar near the corner of Dong Du and Hai Ba Trung, actually off HBT street. It has more of a social and fun vibe than most bars, but girls are slightly below average in general. They're nicer than ones in most of the bars though. Some girls here wear ao dais, which seems to be their code for "not available". There is a pool table upstairs, though I'm not sure how relaxed it is up there.
Trai Tao (Apple) * 13 Dong Du. Across the street from Saigon NY on Dong Du just near corner of HBT. Small bar with and mainly average girls, from what I could see. Honestly I haven't checked this one out very well. Almost surely relaxing.
Thien Loc * * 23 Hai Ba Trung. At the corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi. One billiard table, the whole bar is just one room one level. This one recently reopened, but was always one of the most active bars in terms of entertainment. Might have 1 or 2 cuties with around 6 more ordinary ones.
DONG KHOI STREET
29 Dong Khoi * * ½ On the last block before the Majestic Hotel (near the river). It has 2 levels and about a dozen girls, but in terms of looks they're below average overall, except for the occassional few new ones. It is the one bar of all of these that offers by far the best customer service. Anything goes here. If you are lucky enough to spot a stunning girl here, this place can be heaven. There are couches upstairs and also a very small private room in the back. Relaxing and very easy to be entertained.
49 Dong Khoi 0 stars A sad little bar way in the back down a long narrow hallway and upstairs. The girls are really not very pretty in this one. Seems to be designed to lure in unsuspecting tourists who don't know what other options are nearby. I prefer not to think about how relaxed the atmosphere is here, but it almost surely is. If you noticed the lack of stars above, that was intentional. Not sure if this one is still there. Avoid if it is.
THAI VAN LUNG / THI SACH AREA
Smiley Bar * * 8A / 7D2 Thai Van Lung. Right at the intersection of Cao Ba Quat. Big bar, quite a few girls but choices are bit below average in quality. Upstairs they have rooms with pool tables. Things get much more entertaining and relaxing upstairs.
Chieu Thuy * 40 Thai Van Lung. On Thai Van Lung near the corner of Ly Tu Truong, at the top of the "hill." Selection and quality of girls here is distinctly below average. Pool table in front and sofas in back. NOTE: THIS ONE CLOSED NOW, HAS BEEN TURNED INTO A FRENCH RESTAURANT.
Vua Trai Dua (Coconut) *½ 15B Thi Sach. On the next parallel street over (Thi Sach) as you head back toward Hai Ba Trung. This is the the same street Apocalypse Now is located on, but at the opposite end near Le Thanh Ton. Girls here seem very average, and it's a smaller bar.
Little Princess 5E Nguyen Sieu. New, small bar on the side street opposite 91 Hai Ba Trung. I have not tried this one out yet.
LE THANH TON AREA
Quan Nho * * * 13 Le Thanh Ton. A very small bar with just around 6 girls. Sofas upstairs (3 levels total) to spend time with your girl. Atnosphere more upscale than the rest of these bars. No billiards tables. They tend to get a higher level of talent in their small lineup. Quite relaxing atmosphere upstairs.
Bin Bin * * * 13 Le Thanh Ton. Just across the alley from Quan Nho. This bar has the second most girls and second prettiest overall after 91. Quality of the girls here is quite good overall, sometimes excellent, and attitude and willingness usually quite good too. It has an upstairs for further entertainment. I'm told upstairs can be more relaxing and also entertaining.
(end of part 1)
How It Works.
After you take a seat, normally one girl will soon approach you. Each girl is in queue to be the one who first approaches a new customer. The problem with this system (for us) is that the girl who greets you is almost never the one you want. In that case, just let the bartender know so that girl after girl doesn't approach you like this. If you prefer no girl, you can just tell the bartender you only want to have a drink but no girl. If you want a chance to have your drink while discreetly checking out the girls first before deciding, you can tell the bartender you want to wait first before choosing. In some bars they will then ask you if you want to see the girls line up for you to choose from, and they will turn up the lights so you can actually see the girls. (91 and Bin Bin typically do this) If they don't immediately offer this, you could request to see them this way.
Once you are sitting with a girl, after 2-3 lady drinks normally the girl will ask if you want to do more with her later, namely to go visit your hotel together. Some may also like to do as much as they can to get you feeling relaxed right there in the bar, which is allowed in some of these bars (but not all). If you only want to talk / grope / hug / kiss / etc. A bit at the bar, that's also fine. You must try to sense what the girl is willing to do, or else let her lead the way and show you.
These bars are perfect if you prefer to go out alone and hope to meet a girl you can be sure is ready to go, without any distractions or risks (such as: she is not that kind of girl-all these girls are that kind; the place is too crowded; the place is so loud you can't have conversation; etc.) Also, these bars are all in comfortable walking distance of each other. If you don't like what a bar has to offer, you can try the next one that is only a few steps away. If you prefer to visit one of these bars with friends, they can put your group in a private room with a low table where everyone sits on cushions. These rooms can also be used even if you are solo. You can have fun with your girl right there in the bar, or else more fun at your hotel. There are different degrees of fun allowed at the different bars. Some actually allow you to do anything, and I mean anything, right in the bar. But in most you can only go to a certain point, and only when you and your girl are hidden somewhere such as in a balcony level or back room.
About prices, the price for a beer is 30, 000 (maybe still 25, 000 in some) and 50, 000 for a 'lady drink. ' (one notable exception: Quan Nho charges 50, 000 for a beer but also 50, 000 for a lady drink). In any bar, your girl will keep asking for another drink whenever she finishes one, that's standard. Don't become upset. To take a girl out, you have to buy her 5 or 6 drinks first, but normally those just get added to your bill, even if she doesn't really drink them. It's really just a barfine. For example, if you had 2 beers and she had 2 lady drinks, and you decide to take her out, they would charge you for the drinks that the 2 of you really drank (60, 000 for your 2 beers plus 100, 000 for her 2 drinks: which equals 160, 000 total) PLUS an additional (and imaginary) 4 lady drinks (200, 000) , so your total bar bill would be 360, 000. In other words, the barfine is 300, 000. And now the 2 of you are free to enjoy your evening together. The number of total drinks you must buy also depends a little on your negotiation skills, and some bars will ask for more lady drinks. As for the girl's payment, they tend to ask for 1 million for 2 hrs or so these days, but can occassionally be bargained down to as low as 800, 000.
If the bar tries to charge you a higher price for each beer or drink, tell them you were just here last week and paid only 30, 000 for each beer and 50, 000 for each lady drink-usually the bartender will play it safe and retreat to the normal price. If the bartender ever puts things like nuts or chewing gum in front of you and your girl, just have the bartender take them away. It's only a tactic to pad the bill at the end-they charge far more than those things really cost. Finally, if you want to leave the bar and not take your girl, then you should at least give her a tip. Standard tip these days is about 100, 000. If the girl's attitude was not very good, then a bit less is ok. They tend to feel insulted if it's 50, 000 or lower. If her attitude was good, pay higher accordingly. To make a good impression on a girl I want to see again, I would leave her a tip of 150, 000, or even 200, 000 for one who's very special. If you leave no tip, there's a good chance all the girls there would discuss it and brand you a "cheap charlie" after that.
If you go to a place and disagree with my rating, remember that the quality in the bars fluctuates. Also, if you get there late at night or after a big group of customers has arrived together, the choices left over may be few. 7pm seems to be a peak time when you can expect almost all the girls who work there to be present and available.
Have fun.
P.S. My prices are out of date here, so talk to guys who are visiting these bars these days to get the current prices. I think drinks are usually 40,000 now.
I went to these two bars and I did't find anyone interesting here to take back to room with me. First night, I went to Apocalypse bar and they let me in without any issues. I ordered a beer and wanted to look around. People were playing pool and there were a mix of regular people and hookers. These hookers looked old and I didn't have any good vibes to take any of them. After a while I left the place.
Next night, I went to Go2Bar night club after midnight and paid 150 VND entrance fee and I got a free beer. There were many young local and foreign nationals dancing like crazy. There were few hookers you can tell by looking at them and they usually stand near the bar or by the wall. They try to catch your eyes and smile. I didn't like any of these ladies as they didn't look appealing to me.
There are other avenues if you are just into mogering. I will post another message on that.
Happy Hunting!
[QUOTE=Wendella;1294042]Like you, I also don't understand what's wrong with comparing the countries, whether they're like apples and oranges or any other kinds of fruit. In fact people do actually compare apples and oranges all the time. For example, apples hold up much better to baking, and so a pie made with apples is going to be much better than one made with oranges. On the other hand, oranges are much easier to squeeze juice from. Think of all the problems we'd have with squishy pies and exhaustion from squeezing apples if we didn't make these kinds of comparisons. That said, he does have a point that Vietnam is much more conservative re sex than Thailand, in the general population at least. These girls you're meeting are very much the exception though, and they actually are similar in attitude to their career counterparts in Thailand, Cambodia, and other countries. I don't think your prediction about hotels will come true any time soon. If you search on my old posts, I did a pretty complete 'guide' to just what you were asking about awhile back. How to work it in those bars. Looks like you figured things out on your own though; for example getting the mamasan to line the girls up rather than stick with the one who chooses you, and so on. Since I posted my long overview of those bars, some of them have closed. [added note: the version of the guide that was on another forum was a bit more complete/up to date, so i just copied that one and posted it here. There is another version here in this forum back in 2009 that you can also check out, though it's mostly the same as this one, just minor changes I think. I don't think the "How it works" part is in 2009 here though)[/QUOTE]Thanks Wandella,
I actually did read all your posts (I have them saved in my browser bookmarks for the past half year or so.). Your posts were the main if not only guide for me. I guess that also was why I figured things out in practice fairly easily. I just expected it not to be as simple as it was. Perhaps the fact that you go into so much detail gave me an impression that it's meant to be somewhat complicated. It certainly isn't. It's very straightforward and simple, just like Thailand go-gos. Even for a first-timer.
Also both times the girls didn't ask to buy an additional drink (they would have been included in the 'barfine' anyway, from what I understand. Which means they probably prefer to 'save' those drinks and just get the cash straight away) but just asked if I want to go play pool. After a negative answer (I suck at playing pool) the girls asked if I'd like to go to hotel and if my hotel is ok for taking ladies. After a positive response the mamasan would ask I want to pay barfine.
I think the service side of the bars (91 at least) is actually very good from greeting the customer upon entry to saying good-bye when leaving with everything inbetween as it should be. All the girls seemed to be pretty nice and friendly too. Even the ones that would at first sit in the corner and be busy with their phones seemingly ignoring the presence of customers. Upon lining up after mamasan's gesture all seemed to have a smile and eye contact with the customer (I. E. Me) and once chosen the girl would immediately jump next to me and start being nice and friendly even if at first she wouldn't have noticed me. I would say overall a very positive and good impression from a first-time visitor like myself. Makes want to go back which I certainly will do sooner than later.
Thank you all those who contributed to this thread. I read many posts here to get my intel. Armed with my intel, I went to Quan Noh first and checked out for few seconds and nothing was good. I went to the next door Bin Bin and there were plenty of girls. If you want to hang out in this bar, it is no good. It is cramped and very shabby.
As soon as I went in one girl came to greet me and I didn't respond to her. Suddenly line up happened. Believe me, it was really a difficult choice to make. I picked a girl looked very sweet with a good rack. I asked her to go upstairs. The place is ugly. Any way, we went into the pool table room and I sat on the bar stool and the mamasan came to ask for drinks. I asked her to wait and she was not happy and went away. I asked the girl to go with me to my hotel. They quoted $20 bar fine and $60 for the girl and I countered it was too much and asked them to quote me in VND (forum intel). They came back with 400 VND bar fine and 1. 1 million VND for the girl. I said two pops and they agreed.
The girl went to change into street clothes. Her name is Chi and she looked amazing in those clothes. We took a cab and went to my hotel. Slowly, the girl turned into a sweet person kind of GF. After she took the shower, she asked me whether I had the rubber and I did't and I was not going to carry that. It was wiered that she didn't have the rubber with her. I asked her to go and get rubber with me. We went out to get the rubber, we walked couple of blocks and found a store and got the rubber. It was very relaxing and got to know her a little, while we walked.
Back in the hotel, she was little shy and asked me to dim the lights. She has a very beautiful face and the body. I had a real good time with her. Between the sessions, I conversed with her using google translator and it was a good time pass and got to know her even more. Did I say, she was very sweet. In my books she is a stunner. Her sweet nature makes her the star at Bin Bin. This was my best session in VN. I had been to the Korean area barbar shops. They have a real good girls and very cheap, but it was just mechanical. The extra money I spent here was well worth it for me.
Treat the girl well and give her the respect you will get good returns.
Bin Bin has good talent and they have room upstairs as well. I highly recommend this place to take a date out with you.
Happy Hunting.
PS: Special thanks to Wandella.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1294046]Note, this was written in 2011, just editing now to get rid of the closed bars and changes in intel.
District 1 Bars with girls
This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located...[/QUOTE]Waiting for Part 2
[QUOTE=Rsmith;1294234]Thank you all those who contributed to this thread. I read many posts here to get my intel. Armed with my intel, I went to Quan Noh first and checked out for few seconds and nothing was good. I went to the next door Bin Bin and there were plenty of girls. If you want to hang out in this bar, it is no good. It is cramped and very shabby.[/QUOTE]Nice report here. Good to hear you got some good time. I somehow completely forgot Bin Bin despite reading Wandella's guide. I'm now feeling a bit sorry I didn't go there. Oh well, one more reason to be back to HCMC next time. Those little billiard bars are not exactly big venues but I was rather impressed with the selection in 91 and they do have some charm about them. I guess I'll be missing Saigon.
[QUOTE=Mark Renton 7;1294258]Waiting for Part 2[/QUOTE]Part 2 was the 'how to'
I went to Bar 35 tonight. It was the second time I have been there. Each time I have picked the same girl. I refuse to buy this dirtsack a drink and I just order a fucking blowjob. I hate wasting time, that's why I pay for her mouth in the first place! We went upstairs to a lofted area and I sat down in a chair and placed my beer on the little table next to it. I dropped my pants and undies. It didn't faze her one bit. She got naked. I love that she has a shaved box, which she let me eat. She has the most phenomenal sucking technique that I've experienced outside of Thailand. Absolutely incredible. Every few minutes I would stop and give her pussy a lick. I also ate her ass for a bit.
The grand finale was I pulled up my legs up and directed her to my asshole. She rimmed me like it was a free buffet, while stroking my beefstick. I told her that I was about to cum and she put her mouth back on my cock and stuck a finger in my ass. She remembered that I loved it from the last time. I blew a tremendous load in her mouth and she swallowed every drop.
I went back downstairs and paid for my beer and for the suck. She tried to make small talk, I couldn't be bothered. I did notice she had a pinky-nail size sore on her upper lip which she claimed was an abrasion from eating crab the night before. She insisted that the crab shell had cut her lip.
This guy should be banned from ISG for bragging about VD and then spreading it around. Dirtbag. I'll never go to Bar 35 because of this.
[QUOTE=Bb Creampie; 1300369]I went to Bar 35 tonight. It was the second time I have been there. Each time I have picked the same girl. I refuse to buy this dirtsack a drink and I just order a fucking blowjob. I hate wasting time, that's why I pay for her mouth in the first place! We went upstairs to a lofted area and I sat down in a chair and placed my beer on the little table next to it. I dropped my pants and undies. My cock and balls must have stunk because I was in meetings all day and I hadn't showered in about 48 hours. It didn't faze her one bit. She got naked. I love that she has a shaved box, which she let me eat. She has the most phenomenal sucking technique that I've experienced outside of Thailand. Absolutely incredible. Every few minutes I would stop and give her pussy a lick. I also ate her ass for a bit.
The grand finale was I pulled up my legs up and directed her to my asshole. She rimmed me like it was a free buffet, while stroking my beefstick. I told her that I was about to cum and she put her mouth back on my cock and stuck a finger in my ass. She remembered that I loved it from the last time. I blew a tremendous load in her mouth and she swallowed every drop.
I went back downstairs and paid for my beer and for the suck. She tried to make small talk, I couldn't be bothered. I did notice she had a pinky-nail size sore on her upper lip which she claimed was an abrasion from eating crab the night before. She insisted that the crab shell had cut her lip. Anyway, herpes or a run in with a crab doesn't matter to me. I've got Type 1 and 2 Herp anyway.
Bb for life.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=D Cups;1324807]This guy should be banned from ISG for bragging about VD and then spreading it around. Dirtbag. I'll never go to Bar 35 because of this.[/QUOTE]This guy is a troll. All fantasy without any connection to reality.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1324900]This guy is a troll. All fantasy without any connection to reality.[/QUOTE]Get over it. I'm not the first manger to go BB. Last night I went to Go2Bar and met a lovely 27 year old from Nha Trang. I negotiated down to 2 million for all night including anal, and facials. Excellent service. I took her to my hotel on Bui Vien street, across from Bread and Butter Bar. They are girl friendly and my rate was 40usd.
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[QUOTE=Bb Creampie; 1325173]Hey Tiger,
I'd be happy to take you out some time and show you my BB skills. What is a troll by the way?
Let's meet up sometime.[/QUOTE]I do not normally comment on some of the things I read on this forum, I usually am looking for tips on having a good time without hassle. But in your case BP I feel generous, and I am at present staying quite near you and would like to extend the Aussie hand of friendship, namely a free trip to hospital. Bb if you like. See you soon.
Regards Skip
[QUOTE=D Cups;1324807]This guy should be banned from ISG for bragging about VD and then spreading it around. Dirtbag. I'll never go to Bar 35 because of this.[/QUOTE]I disagree D Cups, lets see where this goes. This is most interesting.
I am planning to head to Apocalypse Now tonight.
Any plans guys?
[QUOTE=Micky Mouse; 1331949]I am planning to head to Apocalypse Now tonight.
Any plans guys?[/QUOTE]Ill also be there tonight MM.
I made the rounds at the D1 bars last weekend. Some surprising changes, if that's what they were.
On Le Thanh Ton, just 2 girls total in Quan Nho, and neither worth staying for. Bin Bin, usually reliable to be crowded with girls, had just around 6 total, way lower than usual, and mamasan didn't say many were with customers, but that they were 'in the countryside' (ok sure). No sign of the usual mamasan there, so something weird is going on at that place, unless it was just a strange night.
Checked a few on HBT and just off it. Packed with girls was Two Sisters (formerly known as Saigon NY).
Thien Loc was miserable. 35 nothing special. There's a new bar called 37 next to 35 which has total 3 girls, and if you order a beer they have to go next door to get it. 49 and 51 seemed their usual selves, didn't stay in those. 91 has its usual fresh talent, has turned over quite a bit. Didn't spot one familiar face from last time I went maybe 6 months ago. They did the lineup thing, so I got to pick what turned out to be the ice princess. After a game of billiards, it came time for her to pop the question, which was "You want to choose girl to take to hotel?"
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1339194]I made the rounds at the D1 bars last weekend. Some surprising changes, if that's what they were.
"[/QUOTE]Things seem to be quite slow in HCM overall these days. Bad economy, low season for tourists.
I also observed quite a few police crackdowns on street vendors and sidewalk cafes the last few days. Not sure if they are hitting the MP's and bars also.
Tried to hit most of the Billiard Bars to see what they were about.
First HBT.
Thien Loc was indeed VERY bad and nothing at all to look at. One drink and left.
Found a GEM at 35. 35 and 37 are run by the same mamasan, so the girls go back and forth.
Not sure if I have the numbers right, but 49, 51, and 91 all had a few that were worth the effort.
All had VERY few customers, often I was the only customer in the place.
Smiley's has some REAL hotties one night, then missing in action the following. Smileys had guys walking in looking for.
Specific girls, so they must have something going on right. Upstairs was in fact fun.
Bin Bin was a big disappointment. Along with the one next door. Nothing of interest in either.
Looked like a new one near Bin Bin. About a block away called "models". No time to stop in, but when the door was open, looked.
Promising.
Benny's, to me was cheap, quick and sleezy. No repeat for me. Girls were average at best and even though cheap, I will spend the extra cash for a nicer body and looks. For some reason a young lady blowing me with her tits poppped out of her shirt does nothing for me.
Overall, if you got some cash to burn, I found it fun. Some HOT bodies to be found, faces nothing higher than an 8. I found a gem who I took twice and was offered a third for no charge. YUM.
Newbies persepective. And thanks Wendella for all your posts. Very helpful.
[QUOTE=Jet69;1339483]Tried to hit most of the Billiard Bars to see what they were about.[/QUOTE]F. Y. I. In recent years, Bin Bin has been one that's always had a good number of girls (15-20 or so) with fresh talent often coming in, and better in looks / youth than most bars. Quan Nho next to it always just had a small number of girls but again usually higher quality. Really good attitude in both bars too, you could expect to be able to have some fun right there in the bar. Hopefully we just hit them on bad nights, it would be a shame if those 2 were in decline. About "Models" I don't know that place, but it is possible it's one of the Japanese bars, there are quite a few on that stretch of Le Thanh Ton, and also in the alley down past Quan Nho. Japanese bars had been booming but seem to be decreasing in number lately. I noticed only about half the ones that were there before still existed in the alley.
I never stop at Smiley's just because it's the kind of place that, if I stop in once a year, it's the same faces as last year, and then next year the same again. Just never seem to get any new ones. Maybe that's changed though. It would be nice if it did.
91 is the class of that stretch, in terms of looks / youth at least, though it's also the one place you're least likely to be treated well by the girl you're with. They're hot and they know it. 49 and 51 (you got all your numbers correct) are a step down in looks quality but up in attitude. 35 is another step down from those usually. 37 is more of an annex of 35, like you said. Thien Loc had been quite good in the past but seems stuck in hell now, one of the worst out there for lookers. If they ever get any decent girls again, it's one bar you can almost expect you'll end up being french-kissed at your bar stool. 29 on Dong Khoi is even more in that direction, but also has a problem getting fresh faces.
Wow, comments on this forum are extremely helpful for my first trip to HCMC next week.
One quick question: Can anyone tell me what time the HBT bars close? I'm flying in Wednesday night at 10:30pm and wanted to make sure I don't "lose any quality time" in D1.
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=CarlEarly; 1345926]Wow, comments on this forum are extremely helpful for my first trip to HCMC next week.
One quick question: Can anyone tell me what time the HBT bars close? I'm flying in Wednesday night at 10:30pm and wanted to make sure I don't "lose any quality time" in D1.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Hey, I really hope you'll have a good time."Quality Time" and "D1, Ho Chi Minh City" sounds like an oxymoron to me. With your plane getting in at 10:30 I'd say you will arrive well past closing time in the paradise that is HCMC.
JD
JD and I amicably disagree on this issue. Fun can surely be had in those places, it's just more expensive than some places in town. If you're ok with paying something like $10 to sit and have a drink with a girl (incl bill and tip) , or for a total of $85-100 to culminate your new relationship, then it's a good option for you. It is perfect for the newcomer because it's easy, don't need to know the ropes or have connections, jsut walk in and the staff handles the rest.
Here's the thing, if your flight actually touches down at 10:30, it's going to be awhile after that when you're actually stepping into a taxi to head to your hotel (walking into these bars with all your luggage might seem a bit strange). I'm guessing you can't really hope to arrive at a bar until midnight or so. I think most of these bars will still be open at that time, if not all of them. The hitch is that the girls who are left in the bars at that hour are the ones who didn't get taken out earlier. Not sure which night you arrive, but if it's Friday or Saturday then I wouldn't get my hopes high. But you never know, if you have nothing else to do it's probably still worth wandering around and checking in at a few. So many of them are so close together, why not.
By the way, last night I stopped in again at Bin Bin. At 8:30 it had just 4 girls, which might mean that it really has declined a lot. That was a reliable place to go in and see lots of them, mostly fairly hot, a few quite so, and always some fresh faces. Again, it's possible a big group came in and nabbed most of the girls, but it's not likely. Not sure what happened there.
thanks jd and wendella for your input. much appreciated! here is my review.
i arrived late wednesday evening. my first stop was 29 dong khoi (around midnight). there was one other customer sitting at the bar and approx. 5-6 girls standing around (average looking at best). one girl approached me immediately and began rubbing my shoulders. shortly after, another came up beside me who was cuter than the others. cute girl invited me upstairs (forgot her name). things got pretty cozy in a matter of seconds. my girl wouldn't stop kissing me, which honestly was a little annoying considering i really wanted to enjoy my first beer in hcmc without another tongue in my mouth. i was offered the back room for $1. 2m but i politely declined, as i wanted to check out other bars. i gave her a generous 200k tip and headed out.
i popped in at thien loc only to see two girls sleeping by the entrance. enough said.
next stop was #91. everything i've read about this bar is true. at 12:30am, there were approx. 5-6 girls inside who were all very pretty. the bar was closing soon so i left after one beer. but it was nice to see the girls "working", and then see them change and come back in their "normal" clothes (talk about night and day). and yes, the mamasan is extremely cute. i challenge anyone to swoop her up!
as i started to walk towards my hotel, a random dude persuaded me to check out #51. this bar was surprisingly busy with one group shooting pool in the back. at the bar, i was approached by a girl (7 out of 10). the service here was better than most. there was quite a bit of fondling and kissing at the bar. the rate for a st hotel was also $1. 2m which i declined. i gave her a generous tip and headed home.
next night, my first stop was #49. it was early (around 10:00pm) and 10+ girls standing around inside. there were no customers, so one by one, i was approached by girls at the bar. one in particular caught my eye so we went upstairs. just when i was about to commit to leaving with her, she suddenly got up and ran back downstairs. i poked my head to see what was going on, and noticed all the girls had left. my guess is, a vip customer came in and wanted to see a line-up? not sure, but my girl came back claiming she had to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. at that point, i had lost all the excitement so i simply said i would come back later.
next stop was bin bin. i read a lot of great things about this bar, but it was by far the worst experience. there were 3 girls at the time, all looked terrible. one girl kept insisting i buy her a drink. i finally caved and bought her one drink. seconds later, the mamasan tried to convince me to take her to a st hotel. i told the mamasan that i wanted to enjoy a few drinks first (since i was completely sober). she gave me the nastiest look. i decided to leave and asked for the bill. she tried to rip me off on peanuts which i didn't even see on the table. before giving me my change, she asked if i tipped my girl. i told her that my girl didn't speak any english, so me buying her a drink seemed more than enough, and i told her i didn't think a tip was necessary (plus, everyone was so rude). she refused to give me my change, so i just left.
i stopped by a few clubs (sin and diamond club) and had a pretty good time. i ended the night at #35 (around 2:00am) and met a girl who looked like the leading lady from mission impossible 2. her attitude was amazing. she insisted we go upstairs to show me her naked body. she was the first and only girl i took home and had a blast.
final thoughts: hcmc seems like a pretty safe area. i walked around by myself until 3:00am every night and had no problems. for those of you going for the first time, you'll get the hang of it very quickly. the best looking girl i saw was at a small bar to the right of bin bin (if you are facing it). i think the bar was called twilight. most of the girls were ugly, but one in particular had a tatoo on her back and she looked like gogo (japanese girl from kill bill). sorry for the movie references but i hope it helps. i'm heading back to hmcm in a couple months.
I'm a Hanoi mongerer mainly. Now I find myself with the opportunity to spend time in HCMC every month. I truly appreciate Wendella's posting. Very useful indeed. I will be checking out the HBT bar scene this coming week and I'll be sure to report back on what I find.
Any current updates on average pricing? I'm always happy to negotiate, based upon attitude. Always useful to have some numbers in my head though.
If only Hanoi had a bar scene like HCMC!
You got to 91 bar much too late. When I was there at about 8pm one night, there were over 20 girls there, some were stunning.
Something has happened at Bin Bin, because that consistently has been the #2 bar in terms of numbers, youth and good looks for the past few years, and suddenly it's only got a very small number of C-grade girls.
Twilight bar next to Bin Bin used to be called Insomnia, I think it had other names before that, but was never one of the THESE kinds of bars. More of a normal bar to meet buddies and have a drink, not a place with girls available for takeout. I guess it's possible that changed but I would be surprised if it did. Pursuing a girl in a normal bar, even staff, is a very different game than at the HBT bars.
[QUOTE=Jet69;1339483]Looked like a new one near Bin Bin. About a block away called "models". No time to stop in, but when the door was open, looked. Promising.[/QUOTE]Had a look at this place, it's definitely a Japanese bar. Nothing like Bin Bin. 91, etc. Looking good is the only service the girls provide there.
I was in Vietnam a few years ago and didn't notice much from the scene but it looks like I should have read this forum earlier hehehe. How do you guys regard safety as in taking a girl to your hotel? Is there a list of hotels that turn a blind eye or that you have knowledge from?
Hello,
First post so please be gentle! Have just been out in HCMC with a girl I met online. We went to a seafood restaurant a way out of town near the airport then back into town and to a club behind / above a bar / restaurant called Napoly on Pham Ngoc Thach, northeast of the cathedral. To access you go down the alley to the side then up the lit, carpeted stairs at the back. It's not a seedy place, in fact the prices are high (VND90k for a bottle of Tiger).
The place on a Monday night was full of the best looking girls I've seen in Vietnam. They were all wearing cream coloured dresses and all were damn near perfect. There were a few others wandering around that looked like they might have been working, but not for the club. In total at least 15-20 were there and of the ones that were working, some were with VN guys and a couple with Westerners.
I had the girl I was with who was almost as good but there were many that went home alone. Club closes pretty promptly around midnight so get there a bit earlier. I cannot unfortunately give you prices but I'm guessing higher than your average MP girl. So maybe you might want to check it out on the last night of your holiday if there is some spending money left.
It's a pretty nice place to hang out even if you don't want a girl. Atmosphere was fun, plenty of locals enjoying themselves and live music.
Apologies if this has already been covered, or isn't of any use to anyone.
Spent a few evenings checking a couple of the regular bars on HBT.
#91. Dropped in a couple of evenings. First time, I stuck with the initial approach to see what unfolded. She was nice looking and held a decent conversation but I ended up just staying for the one beer. Tried to push me for excessive ST fees, assuming I didn't know any better. Seemed most put out when I disputed her numbers. She was asking 2m for a ST, plus 500k bar fine and a few drinks. Silly money. I bought her a couple of drinks but soon moved on. Tipped her 100k for her time. Second evening, was more choosy and selected a pleasant looking and warm attitude girl. Had a good time with her at the bar for a while. Agreed on 1. 5m ST plus bar fine. Much more reasonable. We headed off to my hotel and she proved a great lay for what turned out to be almost three hours. She never asked for any more money and was happy with the 1. 5m. Lovely girl. Name is Tuyet, I think, ginger / red hair and cute dimples.
#35. What an interesting joint this is. Wandered in. Chose a girl who was not young and not old but very friendly. Shot some pool (bloody awful table and cues) and then sat up at the bar. She went to town on me and was all over me with DFK, serious groping and allowing me access to literally all of her. Dress up around her waist, panties pulled aside. Lovely. I enquired about going upstairs for a HJ. Just about fell off my chair. Asking 1. 6m for a HJ! But, no bar fine, of course. ST was 2m plus barfine of $35! Bloody hell. I laughed through it, having ordered a pizza and wanting to finish it. Needless to say I didn't take her anywhere and soon moved on.
Blue Gecko. Not a pick up bar at all, just an Aussie-stlye pub. But, the Sapporo beer girl was lovely and gave me her number and one of the cute young waitresses also gave me her number. So good to go for next HCMC visit.
[QUOTE=CaseyStar;1359301]We headed off to my hotel and she proved a great lay for what turned out to be almost three hours. She never asked for any more money and was happy with the 1. 5m. Lovely girl. Name is Tuyet, I think, ginger / red hair and cute dimples.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you stayed in a guest-friendly hotel. Which was it?
[QUOTE=Sapao5;1359503]It sounds like you stayed in a guest-friendly hotel. Which was it?[/QUOTE]Golden Rose Saigon on Vo Van Tan Street. No issues whatsoever.
I like to go to Gossip to start the night. Almost everyday of the week it's well frequented and over weekends is pleasant and not too packed. I like the loud music even if it's not the best electro and the sound is quite bad, they have good lights and nice videoeffects, bottle of Vodka is amazing cheap 1, 1 Mil. Comparing to other disco like Apo or Lush, and Gossip is supposed to be pricey. The staff is overfriendly, at the beginning it was almost disturbing, now I got used to it. The other night when I came here I got to a table near the stage, it's a good place to have a look to the girls when they go to bathrom. At the table near mine there were the stage dancing girls. 2 of them dance and 2 of them rest. We have some drinks together and dance together at our tables, they are friendly, sexy outfits, I have good fun and would like to take one out to go on the night at another club but she's firm, she must go home, she lives with her mother and when she has finished her night and changes her dress, wow what a change, she's really dressed old fashion and looks all different from the sexy girl on stage. But I had a good time anyway, before leaving the 2 ask me for some tip and I give her 500k for the two. When I come in tonight it seems to have more nice looking girls around, but most of them are PR-Hostess. This time I choose a table near the bar, where usually the WG are. I am offered from one of the manager there to have some girls, PR or other but I tell him I like to stay alone so I won't be bothered every 5 minutes with PR wanting to have a drink and talk. Now, the music is so loud that there is no way to understand what they would say and the WG are not so many and not great deal to choose. Gossip has fame to have the nicest girls to be seen and indeed you can see many nice girls but usually they are with locals, many "business gangs" do be seen here and they always have stunners with them. So I like to stay there, drinking and dancing the music and look around what happens. If ou are patient, something always happens; in a disco everybody sees everybody. 2 tables in front of me 2 beauties have just arrived. 1 must be a model, elegant, classy. The boss there takes all care of them. They stay there till the end, no chance to make eye contact. At the other end of the disco there is a table with 3 girls, the way they dress they are not WG, they go to dance on the dance floor, they are really far away from me, after some time one of the girl start smiling and wawing and it finish we all dancing and drinking together. I invite them to go on the night at GO2 but they have to go home, the one girl I like gaves me her phone number but I'll forget it. I go back to my table to finish my drink and ready to leave and the model beauty in front of me makes big smiles at me and cheers in an inviting way. I smile back politely but prefer not to go in that one. Looks like some expensive night with a starfish at the end. In fact I always have good time here, the purpose is not finding a girl because there is not much to choose, as I can rember I only once took to my hotel a girl from Gossip. If it's not too late, I go to Apo, tonight I stayed here till the end, the mood is great, the right time to go to GO2.
Here, things at the disco on 1. Floor start quite late, if you come too early it's empty, you can have a drink or even eat on the groundfloor, food is not that great, if you want to have good food late at night the 2 Chinese at Nguyen Trai around nr 160-170 are a good deal and during weekends from 2 am. 5 am you can even find quite many girls trying a last chance to get something. At Go2 it starts about at 2 am, many girls from other disco closing come here but also many girls that work only for Go2 only start coming around 2. 30 am. They get a ticket for free entry and a drink so you must know that the bar will have a cut on her. Some girls are not allowed to enter befor 3 am, so is good to wait to see all what is offered. At 3 am is the better time for hunting, in the average FL are 1 point higher than Apo and everynight some really nice looking girls are there, the ambiance too is always great, at that time of the night many girls are a bit waisted and are friendly and enjoying the night. It's common to see some particular faces that catch all your attention, of course almost all are FL and some locals with some specially interesting girls but with no access possible. Ratio is ok too, about 1 to 1. Here I am naturally talking only about asian girls, there are also lots of western girls with western friends that don't belong to our target. Staff is friendly and correct, I have never been cheated, but as many people are quite waisted sometimes there is trouble, they might think they have been cheated or the drinks are too expensive, you have to consider you're partaking in the only disco open at 5 am, there is a good offer with nice girls, dj, all this have a cost, that's all over the world so. I spent my funniest nights here, cost beetween 500K to 1'000K for 3-4 hours of great fun with girls, drinking, dancing, at the end you leave with the girl of your choice. Girls are in order of 2 Mil or 100 USD for LT, rarely we discuss about the price, only if the girl ask first. I take them to my hotel always for the night and morning because after drinking all night sometimes it might not work as wished eheh, so it's good to do it in the morning as well. Here too, never had any problem with the girls, just have good sense when you choose them, most of them are good girls.
Now one thing you have to be careful when you leave, never take the taxi that are waiting outside the Go2 or proximity. Contrary to all other disco like Apo, Lush, Gossip, XXX disco where you always have some of the staff taking care of you for the taxi and taxi are 100 % reliable, the taxi standing outside Go2 are all rip off, they might have written on the car the number 27 27 (Vinasum) or 38 38 (Mailinh) but not the nameon the car and ar not legit, the good ones always have written the name on the car Vinasum. 27 27 or Mailinh. 38 38, so walk few steps to the intersection and stop a driving taxi. One of the first time I was here I took once one of these rip off taxi, the trip to my hotel is around 40K so when I get there I read on taximeter 40K and somethings, let's say 43'000 the and give the driver 50'000 the and he says, no is more, it's 430'000 the, I look better the taximeter and indeed it was 430'000, look at my girl but she doesn't say a word, little argue with him, wish him a clear f. O. And give him other 50'000 and go into my hotel, they try to ripp you off but are not really agressive, the driver didn't even get out of his car and left. Don't expect any help of the girl with you, later she will say.". Sorry, I'm working there I cannot speak".
Go2 is my favorite of Hcm night.
Specific of most of the spots listed here can be found on barsonline hcm, hope saying that is not against forum's rule; if it's the case I apologize.
NAPOLY BAR . MISS SAIGON.
They are on the same street Pham Ngoc Thach, D3, one on the beginning and the other on the end I went walking but it's quite a long street. NAPOLY BAR is on the first floor, follow the music in the backside of the house. Was there around 10 pm. There was the highest concentration of nice ladies I have seen in Hcm, about 20 girls, bartenders also all beauties, quite friendly, but it's about all, kitschy place, bad live music, I got a poor margarita for about 140k. Seems to be a place for regulars locals, and all the girls were busy at their tables, I didn't get approached by any of them, I havo no idea what the rates are and didn't stay long.
MISS SAIGON, should be a 3 levels bar with food restaurant on the 1. Floor so I thought it would be an interesting place but when I got there groundfloor was closed. 1. Floor also but could see some lights and hear music coming from 2. Floor; there was a guy there and asked him what was on 2. Floor and he mimics BJ, I was hungry for food and didn't check 2. Floor.
SKY BAR.
Is on the top of the tower besides the New World Hotel. Stylish place, great drinks and great audio and music choice, disco-are&be-hip hop, one of the best in town and the bathrooms are worth a look. All this has a cost, few drinks and fruits and the bill will hurt. It's an open air bar and if you are around Ben Tan Market or PNL area you can see the lights. One night a sudden shower came and everybody rushed inside, that gave a better ambiance. My girlfriend took me there few times, never went alone so I don't know what's the deal. There are some FL but not many, strangely it is inversly proportional, very expensive place with many males and a poor selection of females accessible.
Mostly busy with tourists and some local couples. Still worth a visit. I think it closes at 1 am.
BLANCHY'S TASH.
In HBT street, just next door to 91. Quite new opened place, stylish, good drinks, the caipirinha or mojito is around 170k, busy with expats and tourists. The most action is on groundfloor, sometimes I have seen few FL but seems already before arranged contacts. The music is great, no doubt the best one I've heard here, Ibiza sound, last time I was there was a great dj, but nobody seems to pay attention or dance. Dancefloor is on 2. Floor but it's quite small, the music is not so good, no ambiance, there are some groups of local girls, but not WG, just normal girls having the night out to have fun. I go there before going to any disco.
OSCAR CLUB-DISCO.
On Nguyen Hué 12. It's a disco in the style of Gossip or the XXX Disco. A girl from Apo took me there some times when Apo was closing, it's opened till 3 am, but I don't know if everyday. Music is quite loud but good, lots of local "business gangs" with real beauties at their tables getting waisted, it's common to see people beeing helped or better carried out at the end of the evening, we also liked to get waisted there with tequila and beer, great ambiance. Bottle of vodka amazing cheap, I think 900K last year, this year I haven't been there yet. Staff overfriendly if you go there more than one time. There are some nice hostess, the bartenders are amazing beauties, all 3 of them, but nobody seems to stay at the bar because it's a little hidden from the action and the dancefloor. Last time I was there alone I had a funny night. I was at one table, drinking alone, and there was that pr going from table to table, I think her job is to make customers emptying the bottle as much as possible, wondering why I didn't want any hostess at my table. Ahah you don't like women, starts that game of paper, scissors and stone, who looses have to drink a shot, she's used to drink and stands good vodka, so I order some tequila shots, at the beginning she doesn't want to drink but after she obliges and very soon gets so funny, start coming closer and closer and kissing me to see if I like it eheh and makes me feel pretty horny and I would have asked her out, but unfortunately when I went to the bathroom and came back, I crossed her being carried upstairs to rest by two people of the staff. It was not my purpose of course, but the ambiance was that.
APOCALYPSE NOW.
Thi Sach street. The most famous disco of Hcm. It's a friendly place, drinks are quite cheap, but bottles quite expensive. Staff friendly but you don't get that attention like at Gossip, or Oscar, the place is too busy for that. The thing I like about Apo is that it's a cool place with good ambiance, people there enjoy the night and the mix offered is very various, or better used to be, because now it seems to have changed. You could find all kind of girls there epecially on Friday and Saturday, of course mostly FL but also occasionally girls looking for some stranger or needing some money just one night. I have been there almost everynight this time trying to see that particular face that makes your night a special night, but could only see night after night the same WGs and the quality seems to slide down, very few beauties who are very soon busy. The music also is not that great thing, always the same everynight. One girl from Go2 I was staying with, when I asked her if she never went to Apo, she told me that she went sometimes but after the boss wanted her to buy a VIP card for some 20 Mil, so she couldn't get into anymore, and she was quite a cute young girl, so I offered her to take her there with me and when we came to the entry, the doorman start shouting at her to go away she cannot go inside, I ask her what the problem and she says she doesn't know, it can only be the VIP card story, so I think she's a problemgirl, because I've never experienced that before, I know that disco's staff tend to protect customers from problematic girls, so I don't believe her and let her down. But afterthat, some days later I go out with a girl from Go2, a real gorgeous, sexy girl that everydisco should be glad to have, and she says me exactly the same story. So if it's true, it might be that shitty strategy that keeps away interesting new girls.
LUSH.
Ly Tu Trung 2. Nice disco, used to go a lot there, very good music choice and good audio, drinks in the average but bottles expensive. Lush has special nights. Tuesday is the big night, ladynight were ladies get free drinks till 11 or 12 so the place is soon packed, better get there by 11 pm to get a good choice, lots of FL around the bar or upstairs, at the tables mostly the golden youth of Hcm with many outstanding beauties, there is no dancefloor which is most uncomfortable but in the other hand helps create a good ambiance. Outside in the lounge bar is also a good place for meeting girls, no music so you can discuss if it's what you like. I used to prefer on Friday when they often have a special guest dj, are&be or hip hop, not so much quantity but better quality. Mostly, at the end of the night, the bartenders use to dance on the bar and pour tequila from the bottles directly in the mouth of the people at the bar. Saturday also I liked it, they play techno, great music, but didn't seem to attract many people, never seen a busy night. They also serve quite good food at good prices. All the other night you can forget, sometimes on Thursday is something going on. I haven't been there for a long time so things might have changed, things change very quickly in Hcm.
Play fair and have fun
Visited Lush tonight. If there were FLs they were well hidden, or seated with young Viet customers :0
Actually one single lady by herself upstairs. She was not interested. And not even good looking.
Then across the road there is Diamond. It seems even of an higher level. When it become clear to them that I was looking for ladies and not to leave my money there, I was shown the restroom door first (nor sure why LOL) , then the exit, that I took with no regrets.
Then I went to Go2 and checked out the area. The club cover is 150k, that seems steep for a drink for that kind of place, at least from outside. A nice thing about HCMC and backpackers is that they are all concentrated there at night, so if one doesn't wants to see them, just avoid the place. While pondering my options a pimps seats me few doors down and calls over three girls. The first two were good looking enough, the third was irresistibly cute, as button. Kind of long negotiation. I took her home. Rate 800k "1 hour".2mil "overnight". The girl's looks were no discussion, then also her attitude proved worth it. Too bad she is too young for me. She agreed to further sessions for 500k that seems an excellent option. But I still want to check and try other things.
Yesterday I've been wandering around that place. I don't know the name. Where all the cheap bars are. I can tell you for sure, that is a great way to waste your time. Although I hooked up with a gorgeous lady at the bar opposite Go 2, she's not a pro, not a semi-pro, and likely I will get nothing except the spending for going out.
I take a motorbike ride to my hotel and the guy convinces me to get "lady good, if no good no pay money". As it turned out, that proved true. Asking price 800k for 1 hrs, that I agreed to. He calls and after less than 3 minutes a girl with another guy shows up and she's kind of cute, so I bargain to 1mil for 2 hrs and 2 pops. To be paid in room. In the room she proved to be the total disaster, call it the original useless unwilling prostitute. 30 secs uncovered BJ then she want missionary. I want doggie, she complains that it hurts, I complain that I pad for sex not for her wills, or my money back. To my surprise she gives in, hands me back 1mil while I give her 200k, and she's and is out of the door. Lucky it worked out like that, I'll never do something like that again.
The gorgeous lady of above. I meet here again as she looks too good. We have a decent night out going at Lush but she soon wants to be back home where mother waits for her. After she's gone, I try to enjoy myself, see the same dried up lady of my previous reports in the same exact spot, then nothing else to be taken. Damage 2. 5mil but they keep your bottle for a next time.
[QUOTE=Deptrai; 1222313]The hotel you staying is just opposite the landmark New World Hotel.
If you are a lone white skin and if you wander out into the street alone with BIG WORDS "NEWBIE" printed all over your face, you will likely be approached by a couple of very pretty "ladies" on their motorbikes and they will ask if you would like to have a boom-boom time for just US$10. If you say yes to them, they will take you on their bike to another hotel for the happy-hour. And that is when you will loose everything and hopefully still have your pants. These "ladies" will take your wallet and monies and run off with it while you are in the shower. And they are actually lady-boys, not real ladies.[/QUOTE]It was during my my first walk there that I was approached by two of these types. It was quite evident to me that they were men and I so told'them, especially the older one driving. They insisted, even wanting me touch 'for proof', what else could have they said.
[quote]Sometimes, these monsters will actually walk right up to you and start talking to you and grabbing your balls and when they go off, you will suddenly realised that your mobile phone and wallet is no longer in your pocket.
So the answer is NO! It is not safe for a lone white skin to walk on the street at night.[/QUOTE]From my perception, it is safe as long you're not drunk, stupid, or extremely unlucky. And not even life endangering.
So I had been going after this great looking lady, married to a Western, temporarily visiting family in HCMC. Last date was at the Sheraton, for the live music at the 23th level bar, that wasn't bad BTW. I have the right signals, but she wouldn't budge, goes home after driving me home. Yeah right, I took the road to by the river, for a little walking. Check'd out some sort big disco on the round plaza, nothing worth. Walk around more I'm at the Sheraton again. Then without having ever know before, by 49 and 51. Something gets me in. Ladies are hot and properly **** dresses. I call a 20 yr young to sit with me, and she's a petite full 9+ in face, and I'm saying this having been close to many true Asian beauties already in my life. Drinks are 60k for either sexes. I'm not sure If I got it right but a BJ upstairs half a million. Or 100 USD overnight outside, but then I got a little consuded about the details. This girls doesn't overnight anyway. I'm tempted. I try some negotiation. But there is none to be gad, on the other hand girls like her are not seen everyday be it in bars, cafes, high-ends shops or what else. Right then my phone rings and is the sophisticated lady wanting know "how I am doing". I walk outside to answer without hearing the noise. Surprisingly, I'm let out without paying the bill. I stand up out talking long time. No way she leave home then, but considering that she leaves tomorrow. Wants specific reassurances. I make some face to the vendors by the door as to show it's some mischievous situation that I'm handling, and they seem to show understanding and empathy. Comforting. Anyway I did my best to make my case, even in the state of moderate intoxication I was. As it worked, hotel date made for the following day. Back in, with something to talk about with the girl, still sitting there and mamasan as non-interested third-party, as the bar conversations are awkward enough. For me at least. I'm made aware that I spoke 20 minutes. And explained that it was due to post-Tet to not have other customers. At that point the ball had dropped for me, one last beer, paid bill, got pressed for a tip that I left in half the amount demanded. And left in a happy mood.
There's a new HBT type bar on Thi Sach up the street a little bit from Apocalypse Now. Sorry I don't remember the name, and I did not go into it to find out how good it is. Expectations are not high.
[QUOTE=Old New Guy;1386931]I take a motorbike ride to my hotel and the guy convinces me to get "lady good, if no good no pay money". As it turned out, that proved true. Asking price 800k for 1 hrs, that I agreed to. He calls and after less than 3 minutes a girl with another guy shows up and she's kind of cute, so I bargain to 1mil for 2 hrs and 2 pops. To be paid in room. In the room she proved to be the total disaster, call it the original useless unwilling prostitute. 30 secs uncovered BJ then she want missionary. I want doggie, she complains that it hurts, I complain that I pad for sex not for her wills, or my money back. To my surprise she gives in, hands me back 1mil while I give her 200k, and she's and is out of the door. Lucky it worked out like that, I'll never do something like that again.[/QUOTE]Yes, she is an unwilling prostitute, also known as a sex slave. She is a prisoner of whoever dropped her off with you. She gets your cock, he gets your money. Now she will be be beaten instead, which she decided would be preferable to your cock. Congrats.
JD
After wasting some time at AP with the fcukbuddy lady, she doesn't want go for the fcuk part, so finds her way home soon. I had texted the NPK 84 cutie, but in between things and things she went too sleep too and now it's late already. For curiosity I get to Sin Lounge that has to be one of the most exclusive clubs, at the Lancaster Hotel. Not a single Western in sight. Golden youth and all that, drinks start at 200k, but it's Ballantine 17 yrs, so you get what you pay for. Relevance to P4P:.0. 00. I shake my ass off a bit and some of the girl partying offers me a puff from the narghile', that I decline with a smile. That was the empathy peak of the night. Some hot girls and few ugly ones, as anywhere else. While pondering on the reasons of my Asian fever (may be shapely Chinese girl at secondary school? The pictures of the Filipina covered in cum on the porno magazine at the same age?) I saw her, gorgeous, fully developed long aired with heavy makeup, low waist denims, marches out and has the Thai tattoo with five vertical stripes on her the lower back. So someone like import goods here after all. Anyway, that is not our market so I leave too.
I pinder my options, geez without exact lead these very few now. I walk to AP and the selection is very slim already. One older woman that I like is taken by an Asian gent more senior than me. All the others are pushy skanks. Man to lady ratio is horrible, big time seller market. For a while I enjoyed thinking I was at Hollywood in Patong, well I was not, otherwise I would have something better to do than write this right now. AP closes at 3:30. By the curb, just for fun I approach a lady standing there, with her modest looks she reminds me a lot the bridge lady of two or three days ago. I say five hundreds and she has an hard time getting it. She even say something like 500 USD with a straight face? Laughed, got a late (korean?) dinner at family mart, call it a day.
Are there any pregnant women offering services in and around bars, clubs or other areas.
Any info will be appreciated
I heard that there are some great looking pros who work there. Any thoughts?
Here's my experience in one the HBT bars. Will write about the others later.
49
Impressions. Kind of dark, older, and run-down, no a / see, only fans, small table and benches up front, bar with about 12-15 stools on right. 1 pool table toward the back, and another table through the sliding doors further back (this small "VIP" room has a / see and is available for the right price).
First went to 49 around 4:30 in the afternoon after tricking my uncle into playing "billiards" like it says on the window. We walk in and there was one older guy in the bar (50's. Same age as my uncle) with the only girl (cute) in the bar besides the mamasan (who is kinda rough). Ordered a couple heinekins (50k each) and say we would like to play pool. Reach for a couple sticks and turn around and suddenly there are 2 cute girls (mid 20's. 7ish) who want to play with us. (don't know where they came from) One girl "M" who is wearing a silk spaghetti strap shirt and jeans, grabs my ass and asks a few of the usual questions. "buy me drink?" (50k)"where you from?" "where you stay?" the other girl "W" wearing a casual thigh-high dress, who is now rubbing on my uncle, hardly speaks a word of english. Then M explains the rules. Us against them. They win, we pay them $10 each. We win, they get naked. I ask "only tits?" No M says, we show you every ting. Uncle immediately agrees. They win the first game. M is good and has clearly been around the bars for a while, but W is not very good, so we strategize for game 2. I try not to leave M a shot, while uncle clears the table. This works, and we "win" game 2. I am led to the back by M, past the second pool table room to a room in back with a small table and some pillows on the floor. I sit on the pillows and M closes the door begins a slow, playful striptease. Nice body, small tits and nipples. And the only girl I saw in Vietnam who is completely shaven. Damn. She kinda "falls" into my lap, straddling my leg and shoves a tit in my face and amazingly quickly has my dick out. As she is licking on my neck, and stroking me, she wispers in my ear that she will blow me for $50. I must say this is a very good bargaining position, and I'm sure it works quite often. Just not with me. I say 300k. She sticks to her guns. 1mil. I say I already paid $10 so final offer of 500k with tip of 100k if good is finally accepted. Her mouth slides from my neck down to my now raging hardon and she very quickly has me shooting a load in her mouth and earning that tip.
The second time we went to this bar was a couple days later around 9 pm and there was about 10-12 girls in front as you walk in and 2 guys sitting at the bar. The girls here are more casually dressed than 51 or 91 but there were 3 or 4 that I'd say were 8's and several 7's. It was also more relaxed than 51 or 91. The girls would cling on us when we walked in, but left us alone when we said we just wanted a beer. A couple wandered over a while later and started talking, not immediately asking for a drink which was also refreshingly different from 51, 91 and others. One girl "W" was a little skinny, but a real stunner. I didn't see her when we walked in, but it is easy to get overwhelmed when you walk in to these bars as they all jump at you and grab at you. Anyway W knew she was hot and kept looking at herself in the mirror behind the bar. As much as I wanted to barfine her and fu*k her silly, I elected to go upstairs and get a BJ for 8ook. I knew this was too much but I really wanted to fu*k that beautiful face. As it turns out, it was kinda dark upstairs and I couldn't really see that well and she wasn't all that great. I knew she was not going to be a performer, but I still took her anyway and overpaid no less. Shame on me. Not the first time I made that mistake, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Beer and beautiful women have a way of making me disregard those warning signs. Anyway, no such thing as a bad BJ in my book.
All and all, this was my favorite bar in HCM. Although it is kinda old and dingy, it is much more relaxed than any other bar we went to, and it does have it's share of hot women who aren't pushy and all hookered up in high priced dresses and covered in makeup. Of course, YMMV.
I like pregnant girls. Is there any place- bar, red light area, Street workers where pregnant girls can be available?
[QUOTE=Crackaddict; 1425843]Here's my experience in one the HBT bars. Will write about the others later.
49
Impressions. Kind of dark, older, and run-down, no a / see, only fans, small table and benches up front, bar with about 12-15 stools on right. 1 pool table toward the back, and another table through the sliding doors further back (this small "VIP" room has a / see and is available for the right price).
All and all, this was my favorite bar in HCM. Although it is kinda old and dingy, it is much more relaxed than any other bar we went to, and it does have it's share of hot women who aren't pushy and all hookered up in high priced dresses and covered in makeup. Of course, YMMV.[/QUOTE]Nice report. Pretty similar to my experience at one of them (don't remember which one). Guess, I should give them another try. The girls were really good looking.
Arrived at about 11. 30. I was going to go with a waitress I met in the cavern club but as she was working until 1am decided to go alone. It's my kind of club. I've tried the bars 91, 51, 49 etc and although there are some very cute girls I just prefer the vibe and atmosphere of a club. For a Tuesday it was fairly packed and while the women were on the 5-8 scale there was plenty of choice. The girl I ended up taking looked late 20's but I found out later was 35. I bargained her down to 1. 5 which may still be too much but for Singapore prices was ok. Went back to her place and had a great GFE experience. Great oral skills and enthusiastic. We then chilled but as was late already even though. She wanted me to stay I had to head off to my hotel to get some sleep. Overall a good night. I'm posting as the more I come to Vietnam the more I appreciate the place. As a mongering destination I'm warming to it. It doesn't have the bar scene of an AC or Thailand but there are lots of opportunities for both bar girls, freelancers and also shop girls.
Thanks a lot mate! I've been reading this from page 20!
I will go to HCMC with my friend on oct. Lucky me I found this forum!
Never been to HCMC, but hoping it will hit the jackpot by following the guide here!
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1294046]Note, this was written in 2011, just editing now to get rid of the closed bars and changes in intel.
District 1 Bars with girls
This is a guide to the "billiard bars" in District 1. They are all located in a fairly small area downtown. These bars are very simple and straightforward: only girls who are "working" are in the bar. Once inside you are expected to pick a girl to sit with, and you can also have some fun with her there if you like. All the girls can be taken out...[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot mate! This will be very helpfull!
Best regard,
BB
[QUOTE=BaliBoy87;1436431]Thanks a lot mate! This will be very helpfull![/QUOTE]Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.
Thanks for the advice Wendella.
Have you ever known a similar clampdown on the scene?
Martin
[QUOTE=Wendella;1437698]Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wendella;1437698]Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.[/QUOTE]Yuck. Too bad for the long-noses who are too timid to walk more than 100m from the Sheraton. Not too long ago I used to shop a few times a week at Annam Gourmet Market across from 49/51 HBT. Enjoyed watching the guys open the door as potential customers walked by.
If they cracked down on Two Sisters as well, but not the places on LTT in the Japanese area, my suspicion would be that there is a move to get these places on / near HBT to move out. In addition to being an embarrassment for the tourist trade, these places are occupying prime shop spots which could easily be transformed into restaurants or yet another upscale art gallery. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Good luck, AsianRain
[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1438226]In addition to being an embarrassment for the tourist trade, these places are occupying prime shop spots which could easily be transformed into restaurants or yet another upscale art gallery. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Good luck, AsianRain[/QUOTE]I was thinking the same thing.
No one is getting out of jail and they're looking at a few years in prison. The families of the bar owners are going to start selling off anything inside of value, so they won't be reopening. One other thing, the bars not busted all closed right before the raid so they new it was coming. I guess we'll see soon enough.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1437698]Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.[/QUOTE]Hi Wendella.
What about Smiley and the others on Thai Van lung and Thi Sach? Coming back to SGN in a week or so and don't wish to look up possessive old flames.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz; 1438735]Hi Wendella.
What about Smiley and the others on Thai Van lung and Thi Sach? Coming back to SGN in a week or so and don't wish to look up possessive old flames.[/QUOTE]That one looked open but like I said, most of the girls are not showing up, it's only the most hard-core ones who are still coming to work. You'll see. These places are not worth the visit right now, at least not if female company is your purpose. If a quiet beer alone is your aim, they're perfect. ;-)
I had time to drive up around the airport massage places and most of those are gone now-permanently, by the way it looked, just a few of them left (I did not take a look inside).
This rash of raids and closings in these 2 scenes could possibly be connected (no knowledge, just speculating). Facebook also is not working yet again. Over the years they shut it down every once in awhile. Real pain in the derriere cuz these days lots of websites have some kind of Facebook button or link window on the page, and so all those webpages just crash now, you can't read them, it goes to a Page Won't Load message. Really annoying.
As Wendella said pretty much all of the bars in HBT are now shut. I don't know how crak downs work here but they are SHUT at the moment. The appearance indicates they are shut for good.
There are 2 bars still open but all see grade girls and when you go inside they barely acknowledge you at all.
It would genuinely seem like the end of that strip of bars.
Ba Vi still seemed to be going relatively strong (although to be fair there are far fewer places than there were 3 or 4 years ago). I think Ba Vi represents the best chance for fun at the moment. Beautiful girls there for sure.
Thanks, Bowerboy. Where is Ba Vi please?
[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1439322]As Wendella said pretty much all of the bars in HBT are now shut. I don't know how crak downs work here but they are SHUT at the moment. The appearance indicates they are shut for good.
There are 2 bars still open but all see grade girls and when you go inside they barely acknowledge you at all.
It would genuinely seem like the end of that strip of bars.
Ba Vi still seemed to be going relatively strong (although to be fair there are far fewer places than there were 3 or 4 years ago). I think Ba Vi represents the best chance for fun at the moment. Beautiful girls there for sure.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1439322]As Wendella said pretty much all of the bars in HBT are now shut. I don't know how crak downs work here but they are SHUT at the moment. The appearance indicates they are shut for good.
There are 2 bars still open but all see grade girls and when you go inside they barely acknowledge you at all.
It would genuinely seem like the end of that strip of bars.
Ba Vi still seemed to be going relatively strong (although to be fair there are far fewer places than there were 3 or 4 years ago). I think Ba Vi represents the best chance for fun at the moment. Beautiful girls there for sure.[/QUOTE]Actually most of the bars are still open. 4 of them closed, but no others. There's another 9 or 10 still open. Those ones that are open are not their usual selves, though, for now at least.
It's too early to know what this means for the future. There have been clampdowns before and things reverted back to usual again a while later. This was the most extreme clampdown so far, but the tendency for things like this in this country is for it to be an issue for awhile before it fades away. Not always. Helmet law for motorbikes stuck good. They came out with a new law prohibiting 3 wheeled vehicles (motorbikes that carry loads on the back, or the ones for disabled drivers) , and that one seems to have been completely ignored by police, just not being enforced at all. So we'll see. Too early to know.
About Ba Vi, have you been up there recently? From what I saw, it was less than half as many places as before, I would guess 2/3 have been shut down. I didn't mean that there were fewer than a few years ago, but way fewer than when I was up there just about 3 months ago. On the 2 main side streets that had those massage places, I only saw one place still open on each.
A few days ago I spoke with the owner of one of the HBT bars that is still opened. I was told the government is planning on shutting down all the bars on HBT. I didn't hear how or when this was going to happen but the owner said it as a fact. With all the other crackdowns (three raids in the last week) it looks like it will happen sooner than later. I guessing, at some point, these bars will reopen in an area just outside the city center.
Obviously, there is still action to be found, though newbie's and short-timers will have a harder/riskier time of it.
Does anyone know the name or address of a new bar apparently recently opened on Thi Sach Steet Dist' 1
[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1457826]Does anyone know the name or address of a new bar apparently recently opened on Thi Sach Steet Dist' 1[/QUOTE]Can't remember the name or the exact address but it is near the Ho Sen Hotel which is on Thi Sach at the intersection of Dong Du. This bar is about 30-40 steps down from the hotel toward Nguyen Sieu on the same side of the street as The Ho Sen. It has a bright neon sign and there was a couple older ladies in the open doorway dressed in nice tight short dresses calling us over. From the brief look through the open door, the bar looked upscale, new and modern but empty when we walked by. The night was young and we intended to check it out later after we got beer goggles but never did. Good luck. Post if you check it out.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1440000]Actually most of the bars are still open. 4 of them closed, but no others. There's another 9 or 10 still open. Those ones that are open are not their usual selves, though, for now at least.
It's too early to know what this means for the future. There have been clampdowns before and things reverted back to usual again a while later. This was the most extreme clampdown so far, but the tendency for things like this in this country is for it to be an issue for awhile before it fades away. Not always. Helmet law for motorbikes stuck good. They came out with a new law prohibiting 3 wheeled vehicles (motorbikes that carry loads on the back, or the ones for disabled drivers) , and that one seems to have been completely ignored by police, just not being enforced at all. So we'll see. Too early to know.
About Ba Vi, have you been up there recently? From what I saw, it was less than half as many places as before, I would guess 2/3 have been shut down. I didn't mean that there were fewer than a few years ago, but way fewer than when I was up there just about 3 months ago. On the 2 main side streets that had those massage places, I only saw one place still open on each.[/QUOTE]Hi Wendell,
Will be coming to ho Chinminh on the 22 Sept till 25. 2013. Was wondering. Is there any action for threesome available over there?
Can anyone tell me current prices for in-house fun at the Billiard Bars? I know how much I paid. Just wondering sheepishly how badly I got ripped off! .
There are still plenty of bars open in District 1, BTW, but I am not sure how the quantity and quality of girls compares to previous times. The two bars I dropped into were both very small to begin with, and each had maybe 4-5 ladies (and 0-2 customers). At the first bar no girls above a 6 on my scale, but the second bar there was a voluptuous MILFy-type who seemed shocked when I pointed her out when the mamasan asked me if I wanted any of the girls to sit with me. Shocked though she may have been, she wasn't appreciative enough to give me a good price, but I still had fun. That was on Nguyen Sieu Street, one block up from the Caravan Hotel; I can't remember the name but it's right next-door to El Gaucho restaurant.
Just a quick report. Left today for better lands. What I can say is some nice pub type food places. Of course the bigger places also. Stopped at Sheraton and Rex. Eight (8) dollars for a coke. I passed. Bar activities I was quoted 120. 00, be back tomorrow. Never made it. Did find one for 60. Absolutely terrible. BJ not even one. Layed there like a rock and didn't like cowgirl. Threw her out.
HCM nice city but terrible unless you have time to develop. Even massage places were no action. Even after I was told I am very handsome, LOL.
I just returned from a week-ish in HCMC, and as on my previous trip a year ago I had a fantastic time. I spent just about every night at Apocalypse and I have to say it's one of my favorite pickup bars anywhere. The vibe is just right for me. Not 100% bar girls but instead a mix of FL and regular folks. The staff is friendly, beer isn't TOO expensive, and they serve food. The quality of ladies is also wonderful. But on weeknights you start to see the same girls over and over again. Weekends though is where you can get lucky and find some non-regulars and some gems. I think I met a total of three companions during the several nights I was there, all of whom were full on GFE, one a bit too much so as I think she became a little smitten with me. She actually kind of ruined my game the next couple of nights I saw her there because she wouldn't leave me alone. She was actually a FANTASTIC lay, a young MILFy type (maybe 38 or so?) from Hanoi, who I took out one night, and then called to my hotel for an afternoon session a couple days later. Again FANTASTIC in the sack, but I was on holiday and wanted to some variety.
Also went to Go2Bar a couple nights after not finding anything to my liking a Apocalypse. One night I got lucky and one of the 3 or 4 FL in the bar was cute and willing (also turned into a night out and a call back to my hotel the next afternoon!) , but the other night it was dead. I actually hate that bar and wouldn't recommend it. Too many scummy drunk white college kids and not enough girls. Plus the music is ridiculously loud and there's no place to escape it (unlike Apocalypse, which is big enough that you can get away from the loud music quite easily).
Prices seem to be creeping up from last year. I believe last year I paid $100 USD *including* hotel for every outing, this year most of the girls asked for $100 plus hotel fee (although the girl from Go2Bar and one girl I met at Apocalypse agreed to $100 all-in). There were a couple girls who even quoted $150 plus hotel, which I don't recall at all last year.
Anyway, wonderful trip, and don't believe there is no fun to be had in HCMC.
Oh, also of note: the demise of the billiard bars seems to either be overstated or they've bounced back; there were plenty open for business in District 1. They're not really my cup of tea, although I did stop into a couple for a beer. I found the quality much lower than Apocalypse, the girls a bit more hard-edged, and the asking prices the same.
[QUOTE=TumTich; 1366194]Specific of most of the spots listed here can be found on barsonline hcm, hope saying that is not against forum's rule; if it's the case I apologize.
NAPOLY BAR. MISS SAIGON.
SKY BAR.
BLANCHY'S TASH.
OSCAR CLUB-DISCO.
APOCALYPSE NOW.
LUSH.
Play fair and have fun[/QUOTE]Thanks Bro. That was a comprehensive post. I will be in HCMC for a week starting this November. Your report will be damn useful to me.
Hi everyone,
It's been almost a year since my last post, which was a review of the HBT bars. Sucks to hear about the recent raids.
In the past, my hotel was always in District 1. Next month, my company is putting me in a hotel in the Phu My Hung area of District 7. My questions are:
1. If I wanted to go to any of the popular bars / clubs in District 1, approx. How long will it take to get there by taxi (around 11:00pm) from District 7?
2. If I'm only in Vietnam for 3 nights, will I be able to find enough "fun things" to do in District 7 where I may not even need to travel to District 1?
Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Anybody know this 3 star Ky Hoa hotel on 3 Thang 2 street? It's a pretty big, kinda typical state owned local hotel. Once I checked in late, around 10pm, and saw a short, mid-aged Viet guy took 2 gals into the lobby. He talked to the front desk for about 2min and took them upstairs. According to their dressing and makeup, these two gals are definitely working type (and pretty good ones, one gal is 8 to my standards). From my observation, this guy should be a pimp and he probably knows the staff there. But my question is, if a pimp can bring gals into guests room, does it mean that this is a GF hotel? Sorry I never tried, because I only go to HCM on business trips and the tight schedule keeps me from anything fun.
Just suggestions nothing in it for me. For tourists, try Benny on dbp and find a girl you like. For about 300k you can enjoy BBBJ and generally cim. If you really like her ask her for number discretely don't be noticed. Make arraignments at your place roughly 1mil about $50. Otherwise tip her an extra 100k and get another girl to come see you and give your number. They always come through for me. Because they also get a cut if they introduce.
I know some sm here don't like the prices here but hey unless they can introduce the girls for me or get them to agree, I say it won't happen. It is what it is with the current pricing structure which is still fractions of what it is in USA. It is not us mongers but other Asian cultures like Korean and Japan biz guys that are raising the prices. Flames will be ignore otherwise I will gladly help when I can. Peace to us all.
[QUOTE=Jvdairlie;1457826]Does anyone know the name or address of a new bar apparently recently opened on Thi Sach Steet Dist' 1[/QUOTE]I think that the one you may be looking for is "Pulse Bar" opposite the Aquari Hotel and on the same side as Apocalypse, friend. I recommend it.
[QUOTE=Moon Shadow10;1535051]I think that the one you may be looking for is "Pulse Bar" opposite the Aquari Hotel and on the same side as Apocalypse, friend. I recommend it.[/QUOTE]How does Pulse compare to Apocaplypse? Thanks.
[QUOTE=D Cups;1535234]How does Pulse compare to Apocaplypse? Thanks.[/QUOTE]If it's the pulse I know of they are completely different. Pulse is a small bar with two floors but it's one of those billiards places where you play pool with the girls and if you win they take some clothes off.
I will be in HCMC 2 weeks.
Can anybody give me some good advice?
[QUOTE=StevenLee; 1536933]I will be in HCMC 2 weeks.
Can anybody give me some good advice?[/QUOTE]Sure, Steve. Read the forum.
Spent a few days. Didn't really do a lot of hunting around as I always enjoy Ben Nys. It's a welcome break from some time in Cebu and Makati. Rest, eat, do a little tourist stuff, hang out with some Viet business types that I met last time. Shit some of the bars there are down right expensive. Get a bottle at Chill Skybar. Not cheap. I did go to Crazy Girl on Bieu Vien, got trashed and ended up going back to my hotel with a stunner. She was the hottest think in the place. A 8. 5 in my book and she would not budge on 100 USD. Again, a fraction of the price in the States.
A side not that I would like feedback on: I'm in the airport and guess what? Theres the girl from Crazy Girl. And she's got another six from the bar with her. All on their way to BKK. I try to chat and get the low down but they are very surprised to see me and not so talkative. What do you guys think? Shopping trip? Working trip? All of them? It's 75% of the bar.
Side note: I love the overall vibe of this city. I spent two days with locals that are pretty well off. What hospitality. I know for a fact that I make a hell of a lot more than they do and they wouldn't let me pay for a thing. I spent the day at one of their apartments at Sapphire Complex. Eat and drink all day and night. Interesting, it was a3 bedroom apartment and they take naps in between drinking. Men and women. I would have liked to sneak into the room with some of the women. Totally hot.
IMHO The women of Vietnam are gorgeous.
I'm sure these girls were on a work holiday. Next trip probably Singapore. Stayed in a hotel near dist#5 where 2 girls from HaNoi were also staying for a long work weekend. Both were tall, beautiful stunners.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22;1548193]I'm sure these girls were on a work holiday. Next trip probably Singapore. Stayed in a hotel near dist#5 where 2 girls from HaNoi were also staying for a long work weekend. Both were tall, beautiful stunners.[/QUOTE]Just a group of girls on a shopping trip, who will meet up with their agent in BKK who has organized the venue and accomadation deal.
Then on to Beach bar and maybe Singers. The agent is usually a Viet pimp but with local residency. The girls move from agent to agent.
According to a gal in beach bar they may tour for a month or more, depending on what visas they can get hold of before leaving home.
From what I understand the girls are free agents and actually pay their agents a set amount, I have actually seen this.
So much for the slave trade.
"Report" in quotes because I just drank and checked out the scene, so it's not what I consider a true reconnaissance report. I was in town on business recently and brought my family, so I couldn't really play, but I did sneak out a couple nights to check out Apocalypse Now. I'm happy to report that it's as kicking as ever, and still my favorite WG bar anywhere I've travelled (Beijing, Shanghai, HK, Singapore, plus a few other minor places). I really love the layout and the vibe of the bar, not to mention the available beauties. It seems many are part-timers, often down from Hanoi for a few weeks, which I much prefer to the hardcore working girls (there are definitely a few of them as well, easy to spot if you pay attention. They're usually at tables with bottles and / or food).
Last time I was there last year I met a lovely accountant who was on holiday from Hanoi, working to make a few extra dollars. This time I also met a couple really cute girls on different nights, and I was really sad I couldn't take any out! It's definitely not the cheapest option in the city, but it's far and away my favorite and to me, it's worth the cost as the girls all seem to speak English very well and the quality is a bit better than what I've seen in the smaller billiard bars (though I'm no expert on those. Only been to a few around District 1).
Now I've got to figure out a way to get back for another visit without the family, so I can REALLY enjoy myself! I also agree whole-heartedly with the poster below who comments on the overall vibe of Saigon; it's a great city and if anyone is thinking about a visit but hesitating, don't hesitate just go! (And on the same note, avoid Hanoi. I went there recently on a separate business trip for the first time and absolutely hated it. Completely different vibe from Saigon).
Stayed in the hotel which is just next to Apocalypse an shown up at 1:20 am. The pub doesn't have much people.
I met a guy there and told me Friday and Saturday were awesome. I guess most of the girls available were hardcore pros and smokers. I met a mama before going to Apo. She offered me 800 k st and I managed to bring it down to 600 k. She bbrought a young 23 year old who is ready for everything. Had a good time; today pick the girl from the same lady.
That is the birthday of tonight's girl. A great service, I wonder how does these girls know how to fuck at this age? I was jerking on my 23. Paid the same 600 k + 200 tip. BTW, Apocalypse had more people tonight but mostly smokers which are not my type. Tomorrow going to Phnom penh to see my little girl.
These billiard bars on or near Hai Ba Trung seem to be back closer to their usual selves again. A few were lost with that crackdown last year, namely 37,49 and 51 HBT, but most of the rest are still around.
There's a small bar on Nguyen Sieu street just off HBT, called Nightfall right now (these places are constantly changing names). I stopped in there a few weeks back and there were 2 or 3 young slim hot ones, but the rest ranged from 6's down to as low as the numbers go. Anyway, the girl I met had excellent attitude, we were soon DFK right there at the bar, her idea. And they offer extras on the premises upstairs, the way 29 Dong Khoi always did (does it still? The girls in there are a bit rough for my taste) The last time I poked my head in there I did not see the cute ones, not sure if that meant they're with other customers or they don't work there any more.
One bar that looks like the best for quality girls by far right now is Bin Bin down at the start of Le Thanh Ton not far from the big Sushi Bar (I think that's the real name of the place). I'd be surprised if there's another that can come close. It's not quite to the level of 91 when it was good, but seems to be the best right now at least. And they seem to have the same policy as Nightfall. Yes, the whole enchilada, upstairs.
I haven't checked out the rest in person in a while. It will be interesting to see if 91 bounces back and becomes anything like it used to be. Last time I went a few months ago, it was a pale shadow of its former self. Few girls, none very interesting, and due to the clear windows and bright lighting, you know nothing's going to happen there.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1593659]These billiard bars on or near Hai Ba Trung seem to be back closer to their usual selves again. A few were lost with that crackdown last year, namely 37,49 and 51 HBT, but most of the rest are still around.[/QUOTE]Thanks Wendella for the update. Your posts come at a favorable time as I just booked another business trip back to HCMC for end of July. I'll be sure to check out the HBT scene.
This will be my 3rd adventure to paradise. Thanks to the forum and learning from past mistakes, I feel like a hunting expert in District 1. And once the saigon beer mixes with my jetlag, I feel like LeBron LOL (not because I'm a black baller but because I'm asian and determined). I personally enjoy flying solo at the hostess bars. But I also love picking up locals & tourists at the clubs (ie Lush, Go2 Bar, etc). My last escapade in November was memorable and successful, but of course there's better odds at the clubs when you have a wingman. So if anyone wants to party, let me know!
[QUOTE=Wendella;1593659]These billiard bars on or near Hai Ba Trung seem to be back closer to their usual selves again. A few were lost with that crackdown last year, namely 37,49 and 51 HBT, but most of the rest are still around.
There's a small bar on Nguyen Sieu street just off HBT, called Nightfall right now (these places are constantly changing names). I stopped in there a few weeks back and there were 2 or 3 young slim hot ones, but the rest ranged from 6's down to as low as the numbers go. Anyway, the girl I met had excellent attitude, we were soon DFK right there at the bar, her idea. And they offer extras on the premises upstairs, the way 29 Dong Khoi always did (does it still? The girls in there are a bit rough for my taste) The last time I poked my head in there I did not see the cute ones, not sure if that meant they're with other customers or they don't work there any more.
One bar that looks like the best for quality girls by far right now is Bin Bin down at the start of Le Thanh Ton not far from the big Sushi Bar (I think that's the real name of the place). I'd be surprised if there's another that can come close. It's not quite to the level of 91 when it was good, but seems to be the best right now at least. And they seem to have the same policy as Nightfall. Yes, the whole enchilada, upstairs.
I haven't checked out the rest in person in a while. It will be interesting to see if 91 bounces back and becomes anything like it used to be. Last time I went a few months ago, it was a pale shadow of its former self. Few girls, none very interesting, and due to the clear windows and bright lighting, you know nothing's going to happen there.[/QUOTE]Wendella,
What is the situation with taking a girl upstairs at the viet bars? Do you have to pay for a private room? If so what is the cost? Is there a bed and can you take your time?
Could someone advise a bar with hip hop dance music with less working girls and some dark corners if ever I would need it (to meet a friend for the first time)
[QUOTE=TomSf;1595640]Wendella,
What is the situation with taking a girl upstairs at the viet bars? Do you have to pay for a private room? If so what is the cost? Is there a bed and can you take your time?[/QUOTE]I heard the offer but didn't take it. Quoted 2 million for a ST there, total, there would be no bar fine. Keep in mind this was opening offer, and I'm sure it could be negotiated down significantly, probably to something like one point two mil, maybe lower. I did ask about whether there was a bed, answer was no. So I guess it's right on the floor or something. This at Bin Bin. At Nightfall I did get a look at the room upstairs and it was comfy sofas up there. Not big enough to lie down on though. 2-seaters. (love seats, get it?) As for taking your time, you can try to and persist at it, but in my experience in these situations the standard mode for the girl is to get things moving quickly. Always a struggle against that. I know what you mean. All the clothes off in one swift movement (rather than gradually, slowly, sexily), and so on every step of the way.
For take-out, I think bar fines at these places is 500 K now, and someone told me Coconut bar on Thi Sach is up to 800 k, not sure though. That was 2nd hand info. They seem to be now charging for drinks separately, whereas before they used to count your drinks bill toward the barfine. They would say "you buy the girl 6 drinks, can take her out. " (the total number of drinks varied depending on the place, your bargaining skills, etc.).
[QUOTE=Wendella;1596038]I heard the offer but didn't take it. Quoted 2 million for a ST there, total, there would be no bar fine. Keep in mind this was opening offer, and I'm sure it could be negotiated down significantly, probably to something like one point two mil, maybe lower. I did ask about whether there was a bed, answer was no. So I guess it's right on the floor or something. This at Bin Bin. At Nightfall I did get a look at the room upstairs and it was comfy sofas up there. Not big enough to lie down on though. 2-seaters. (love seats, get it?) As for taking your time, you can try to and persist at it, but in my experience in these situations the standard mode for the girl is to get things moving quickly. Always a struggle against that. I know what you mean. All the clothes off in one swift movement (rather than gradually, slowly, sexily), and so on every step of the way.
For take-out, I think bar fines at these places is 500 K now, and someone told me Coconut bar on Thi Sach is up to 800 k, not sure though. That was 2nd hand info. They seem to be now charging for drinks separately, whereas before they used to count your drinks bill toward the barfine. They would say "you buy the girl 6 drinks, can take her out. " (the total number of drinks varied depending on the place, your bargaining skills, etc.).[/QUOTE]Thanks Wendella, this type of situation where you pay full price and get a quicky which I agree is most likely to happen does not sound great. I was told by a friend that did a trip there outside the city that you get much better service and non of this rush business. If you go farther outside the city which makes sense to me. Doing it in a viet bar upstairs if another customer comes up stairs. I am assuming the Viet girl pulls her pants up and says sorry we have to stop. After the guy already paid. LOL.
[QUOTE=TomSf;1596128]Thanks Wendella, this type of situation where you pay full price and get a quicky which I agree is most likely to happen does not sound great. I was told by a friend that did a trip there outside the city that you get much better service and non of this rush business. If you go farther outside the city which makes sense to me. Doing it in a viet bar upstairs if another customer comes up stairs. I am assuming the Viet girl pulls her pants up and says sorry we have to stop. After the guy already paid. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's not quite that bad. Asians in general seem to rush things a bit, at least working ones. Actually they would get you a more secluded room and make sure no other customers came in when you were in there. Going outside the city could be fine, but you have to know where to go, and how things work in that place. Friends of mine had really bad experiences trying to use bia oms in Bien Hoa for example. Scammed them on the bill, and got threatening when they tried to bargain them down to just what they actually drank instead of the ridiculously inflated bill they were hitting them with. I'm not saying it's all like that out there, but it's a whole other thing, and not always foreigner-friendly.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1596275]It's not quite that bad. Asians in general seem to rush things a bit, at least working ones. Actually they would get you a more secluded room and make sure no other customers came in when you were in there. Going outside the city could be fine, but you have to know where to go, and how things work in that place. Friends of mine had really bad experiences trying to use bia oms in Bien Hoa for example. Scammed them on the bill, and got threatening when they tried to bargain them down to just what they actually drank instead of the ridiculously inflated bill they were hitting them with. I'm not saying it's all like that out there, but it's a whole other thing, and not always foreigner-friendly.[/QUOTE]While it's difficult to fight back when we are scammed by a girl who cuts our time short. There are times when most of us have been heavied.
I was driven to a hotel with girls in the foyer in Saigon about a year ago and was quoted a price for the girl and room by a bunch of males hanging around the foyer. But when I went to pay for the room the receptionist said he didn't have change and would pay me afterwards. Alarm bells! So I said forget it and walked out to my waiting motorbike taxi dude. But I was followed by an angry pimp and his boys who kept asking what the problem was. I told him and all of a sudden the receptionist did have change. I said "no way and that I was not interested in their idiotic games". Finally we agreed I would take the girl back to my hotel but he wanted the cash first. By this time I had got off the motorbike and into a taxi car that had just turned up and the girl was in the back with me ready to come to my hotel. But when I refused to pay upfront the pimp got into the back of the taxi and started yelling, but the more he yelled the worse his English got and I had to tell him to speak slowly and clearly because there was no point yelling if his English was deteriorating. This annoyed him more but he calmed down to speak slowly.
End result was I stuck to my guns, even though it was a dark street and I had no idea where I was, and there were maybe 4 of them. I think these 'heavies' don't really want to take action because it can lead to trouble for them. They had no idea that I didn't even know where the hell I was or how I had gotten there.
It's supposedly different in Beijing and Saigon where there have been 'reports' of people having guns pointed at them after going to a coffee shop with one of those "students" wanting to practice English. But even then I am sure you could simply walk away. In fact I want to try this next time I'm in China but I'll have some friends standing outside waiting for trouble. Then we will see what happens.
this website is brutally slow lately. took me a good five minutes to get to this reply post page.
i have to say, people keep misunderstanding what i was saying earlier about vn working girls tending to rush things. its not a scam of cutting time short. there's no question of "forcing them into bed" or doing anything [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-like. i just mean that they tend to try to rush things at the foreplay part of things, and get straight to the insertion point as soon as possible. not always, but i would say that i don't think i have often hooked up with a working girl who wanted to warm up with kissing and stuff for as long as i wanted to. in western countries we tend to gradually take off clothes, not just immediately remove all of them in one swoop, and do some warming up time before the actual deed. this is what i'm talking about. nothing about scams, not with this at least. and actually they want to do the nasty as soon as they can, so not sure where 'forcing them into bed' is part of it. they're the ones forcing me to into bed faster than i want to. it's like, hurry up and stick your dick in.
the friends scammed in bien hoa was a totally different situation. they were at a bia om, they were done with their session (just time in a karaoke room with some girls, drinking beers, no hanky panky at all) and paying the bill, and the bill was inflated. there was nothing about sex involved in this at all. they weren't taking girls out, hadn't done anything there, just drank beers and hung out in the room. they said a guy came out from back with a club.
[quote=wendella;1596675]this website is brutally slow lately. took me a good five minutes to get to this reply post page.
i have to say, people keep misunderstanding what i was saying earlier about vn working girls tending to rush things. its not a scam of cutting time short. there's no question of "forcing them into bed" or doing anything [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-like. i just mean that they tend to try to rush things at the foreplay part of things, and get straight to the insertion point as soon as possible. not always, but i would say that i don't think i have often hooked up with a working girl who wanted to warm up with kissing and stuff for as long as i wanted to. in western countries we tend to gradually take off clothes, not just immediately remove all of them in one swoop, and do some warming up time before the actual deed. this is what i'm talking about. nothing about scams, not with this at least..[/quote]wendella,
ok, different countries are different. vietnam woman although they may have some of the hottest asian woman in the world. their service in general sucks. i always say viet woman are rush service on a good day and rob you on a bad day. now saying they are aggressive which i totally understand is right. they want you to cum as fast as possible so they can leave as fast as possible. if you are comparing western non working girls that you did not pay and asian hookers then there is no comparison. regarding service what can make the difference is if you speak the language. i have had chinese girls in china who at first wanted to rush me. but after speaking and trying to drag sex on by speaking in mandarin to them. it absolutely helped and did work. i don't speak vietnamese so for my i just have to pray for good service and judge the girls energy before i take her.
by bien hoa which i assume means the karaoke clubs. of course they raise the rates and try to rob you. i avoid those things because to many people i know including asian were robbed there.
regarding sidtips report about guys wanting him to pay first. if you pay the girl first or worse her pimp first. why on earth would the girl go with you. she has you money. lol. you are in vietnam, not your home country. i think no local would ever do this. getting on a motor bike and following a hooker to some place you don't know is just asking for trouble.
[quote=wendella;1596675]this website is brutally slow lately. took me a good five minutes to get to this reply post page.
i have to say, people keep misunderstanding what i was saying earlier about vn working girls tending to rush things. its not a scam of cutting time short. there's no question of "forcing them into bed" or doing anything [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]-like. i just mean that they tend to try to rush things at the foreplay part of things, and get straight to the insertion point as soon as possible. not always, but i would say that i don't think i have often hooked up with a working girl who wanted to warm up with kissing and stuff for as long as i wanted to. in western countries we tend to gradually take off clothes, not just immediately remove all of them in one swoop, and do some warming up time before the actual deed. this is what i'm talking about. nothing about scams, not with this at least. and actually they want to do the nasty as soon as they can, so not sure where 'forcing them into bed' is part of it. they're the ones forcing me to into bed faster than i want to. it's like, hurry up and stick your dick in...[/quote]i confused you. i was talking about scams like the alcohol bills, not the girls cutting the time short.
i can't blame the girls for trying to cut our time short. i'd do the same. but i hate the scum who come up with massive bills.
in reference to paying upfront, it happens with some of the backstreet alley lineups in singapore. you pay the pimp and take the girl inside and do the deeds. i was reluctant the first time and insisted i pay after we got in the room. the room can be 100 m away or more. and the pimp agreed to follow us. but the next time i paid first and it was all ok.
it's difficult to avoid being scammed no matter what your experience. as long as the amount is not too much it all adds to the fun and memories.
Getting pages to load on this forum has got so slow it's not worth it. Are others experiencing this?
Sending PM's takes so long now it's not worth it.
Other websites are loading as fast as ever for me, it's just this one.
This site is SO slow now it's not worth it.
Are others experiencing this?
No other websites are anywhere near this slow for me now, they all load as fast as ever.
But ISG is the slowest now that I have ever seen.
PM's are impossible, it just takes minutes for each page to load, and you are never sure if it is going through or not.
Actually this is my 2nd attempt to post this message up in the forum. The other one just got stuck spinning forever.
Fingers crossed, clicking Upload Report now.
Can someone PM Jackson to let him know how bad this is getting?
[QUOTE=Wendella;1597056]This site is SO slow now it's not worth it.
Are others experiencing this?
No other websites are anywhere near this slow for me now, they all load as fast as ever.
But ISG is the slowest now that I have ever seen.
PM's are impossible, it just takes minutes for each page to load, and you are never sure if it is going through or not.
Actually this is my 2nd attempt to post this message up in the forum. The other one just got stuck spinning forever.
Fingers crossed, clicking Upload Report now.
Can someone PM Jackson to let him know how bad this is getting?[/QUOTE]This must be a Vietnam issue. From Hong Kong it is fast as ever. Try a VPN.
Its a Vietnam issue. The undersea internet cable is broken once again.
[QUOTE=Tiger888;1597211]This must be a Vietnam issue. From Hong Kong it is fast as ever. Try a VPN.[/QUOTE]Today it seems to be fine. I was trying to clean out my PM inbox and ended up losing some good valuable messages as a result when they timed out when I was moving them.
Welcome back. Things seem to have calmed down here recently.
When cleaning out my old PM's I came across a link that 2 different members had sent me, a website that's in Vietnamese but where there's info about our favorite sport. It's lauxanh. Us but the section for us is anchoi.
If someone's Vietnamese here is good enough, please go have a look and share back if you find any good new spots.
[QUOTE=Sidtip;1596510] It's supposedly different in Beijing and Saigon where there have been 'reports' of people having guns pointed at them after going to a coffee shop with one of those "students" wanting to practice English. [/QUOTE]I'm curious where you ran across such reports. I've lived in BJ for years and, though the notorious tea house scam (& it's variants) is as common as ever, I've never once heard of violence in the act. Indeed, guys who just walk out are never challenged. It would be sheer madness to assault the victim in such a place; the place would be closed down and it's owners and assailants would be put away for years. If a gun was involved a conviction would likely result in the death penalty. China has very strict laws regarding firearms.
[QUOTE=ErasmusBDragin;1597430]I'm curious where you ran across such reports. I've lived in BJ for years and, though the notorious tea house scam (& it's variants) is as common as ever, I've never once heard of violence in the act. Indeed, guys who just walk out are never challenged. It would be sheer madness to assault the victim in such a place; the place would be closed down and it's owners and assailants would be put away for years. If a gun was involved a conviction would likely result in the death penalty. China has very strict laws regarding firearms.[/QUOTE]I can't remember where I read this stuff. I think it might even have been this site. Have a read of the Beijing or Shanghai sections or maybe try googling it. There were firsthand stories from people who said they were seriously heavied. Who knows, but they sounded real. One, from memory, saw the police as they left and they asked him how much he was ripped off and just told him to be careful. These reports were how I learned of the scam and luckily I didn't fall for it. Because within minutes of walking down the street in Beijing I was stopped by a young girl who wanted to practice her English and could we have a coffee blah blah. It was raining and she had an umbrella so I pretended I would go with her so she shared her brolly and we walked down the street. Then at the end of the street I told her I wanted to go to a shop of my choice and she got a bit sniffy and walked off after a few words of Chinese that I didn't understand and a scowl.
I read other posts that this didn't happen in Shanghai which is bullshit because it happened nearly every time I walked down the main street last year.
Vietnam is a more honest country. The girls don't cheat as much. Of course some cut the time short, but generally they are nicer (in my humble opinion).
[QUOTE=TomSf;1596895]Wendella,
Ok, different countries are different. Vietnam woman although they may have some of the hottest asian woman in the world. Their service in general sucks. I always say viet woman are rush service on a good day and rob you on a bad day. Now saying they are aggressive which I totally understand is right. They want you to cum as fast as possible so they can leave as fast as possible. If you are comparing western non working girls that you did not pay and asian hookers then there is no comparison. Regarding service what can make the difference is if you speak the language. I have had Chinese girls in China who at first wanted to rush me. But after speaking and trying to drag sex on by speaking in mandarin to them. It absolutely helped and did work. I don't speak vietnamese so for my I just have to pray for good service and judge the girls energy before I take her.
By Bien Hoa which I assume means the karaoke clubs. Of course they raise the rates and try to rob you. I avoid those things because to many people I know including asian were robbed there.
Regarding Sidtips report about guys wanting him to pay first. If you pay the girl first or worse her pimp first. Why on earth would the girl go with you. She has you money. LOL. You are in Vietnam, not your home country. I think no local would ever do this. Getting on a motor bike and following a hooker to some place you don't know is just asking for trouble.[/QUOTE]Tom, when did you visit Vietnam to gain all this experience?
Cheers.
[QUOTE=TomSf;1596895]
By Bien Hoa which I assume means the karaoke clubs. Of course they raise the rates and try to rob you. I avoid those things because to many people I know including asian were robbed there.[/QUOTE]Bien Hoa is the name of a city about an hour north of HCMC.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1600160]Bien Hoa is the name of a city about an hour north of HCMC.[/QUOTE]I think [I]Biên Hòa[/I] is virtually part of HCM city these days.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Ikksman;1600620]I think [I]Bin Ha[/I] is virtually part of HCM city these days.
[/QUOTE]I guess it's close enough that the HCMC threads are where we should talk about it. There is a whole lot of nothing between HCMC and Bien Hoa, about 45 minutes worth. Not worth the trip, I'll say that much. Good job getting the characters to display correctly.
i made the rounds at a few places on or near hbt last night.
91 has a decent collection of girls, though nowhere near its former glory days of a couple years ago. they all wear ao dai, the lights are up pretty bright, and it looks like on the main floor at least that there won't be too much shady action. i did see one go upstairs with a customer, and that usually means playing billiards but who knows.
there's a bar on dong du called 2 sister (missing the s). i walked past, the door opened, and this tiny bar had over 20 girls inside, just crazy. i next went across the street to look at another one (had been called apple but not sure what the current name is) and the door opened, one fairly cute girl sat just inside, others were with customers, i'd say 5 or so total.
i went round the corner on hbt and looked in at thien loc on the corner of hbt and mac thi buoi. it looked like there might be 8 or so in there and none that seemed enticing, and most with customers. for a few years this place has had some of the roughest ones in this whole area. but you never know, always worth a quick peek so you are there when things suddenly change.
i decided to go back to 2 sister. tough choice because the one girl in ex-apple looked really good. i just went straight inside and ordered a beer and was presented with a lineup. and this is when it hit me: they should change the name to 20 aunts. average age must be 32. not a single young looker in there. ugh. i made my obligatory choice, and after 5 minutes realized this whole decision was a mistake. as i'm there with my choice, i keep looking around to see if maybe there's another one there who's cuter. there isn't. i paid and left, headed across the street to ex-apple, and in that one now all the girls were with customers, so, time to call it a night.
i would say that bin bin on le thanh ton is the best of these kinds of bars now. nightfall has some decent ones but too few of them in total. i haven't been to coconut or smiley or pulse lately but experience tells me not to hope for much in those. ah and finally, a friend tells me that 29 dong khoi looked really good when he was there around 11 pm one night recently. i went in at 8:30 one evening and it was dreadful, so maybe the cute young ones show up later.
[QUOTE=Ikksman;1600035]Tom, when did you visit Vietnam to gain all this experience?
Cheers.[/QUOTE]To Ikksman.
I think the Lurker get all his experience by reading your and other ISG member post, he is right Viet girl service and attuide do sucks only good viet experience I ever got is from beach club in KL.
Fast eddie 48.
I just touch down in HCMC and staying at the Asian Ruby Hotel. I take a walk down at this Le Thanh Ton street, and.
Manage to pass by this Bar by the name of Twilight. There is this cutie standing outside the bar, and she said Hello, to me.
I just smile at her and carry on walking. I search through the forum but there is no report about this bar.
I wish to hook on with that cutie but prefer to have more report about this bar before I step in?
So any kind soul able to share a report about the bar?
OMG a cute girl actually said Hello to you. And she was standing outside the bar. She must be a working girl.
Do you want us to ask if she likes you?
If she has a bf?
You want us to take you both to a hotel, undress you both and after rolling a rubber down your dick push your hips forward and backwards too?
Mate its a bar, Go there, look around, find a seat and order a drink, Either way nothing is going to happen.
Not all the bars here are girly bars, and not all door girls / greeting girls are working girls.
[QUOTE=DownUnderKeith;1605951]I just touch down in HCMC and staying at the Asian Ruby Hotel. I take a walk down at this Le Thanh Ton street, and.
Manage to pass by this Bar by the name of Twilight. There is this cutie standing outside the bar, and she said Hello, to me.
I just smile at her and carry on walking. I search through the forum but there is no report about this bar.
I wish to hook on with that cutie but prefer to have more report about this bar before I step in?
So any kind soul able to share a report about the bar?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DownUnderKeith;1605951]Manage to pass by this Bar by the name of Twilight. There is this cutie standing outside the bar, and she said Hello, to me.[/QUOTE]I haven't been in this bar but have walked past. It is one of the newest bars, and judging by its appearance / setup, I would be very surprised if it wasn't just like the other bars that are mentioned in this thread, ones like 91 and Bin Bin, etc.
BTW, these bars often change their names, so it's worth while to go to the location that's mentioned here such as "Apple" bar on Dong Du, and the same bar may still be there under a new name. Actually that one is still there with a new name. "2 Sister" opposite it used to be called Saigon Ny. "Nightfall" was Princess something or other before. And so on. But this one along with "Pulse" on Thi Sach seem to be totally new ones. Lots have closed though, overall there's fewer than there were before. Like the "Quan Nho" next to Bin Bin, open for 8 years or so, closed recently, gone for good, it's a cafe now.
Go check it out and be the first one to report about it here.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1602690]..attuide do suck[b]s[/b] only good viet experience I ever got is from beach club in KL.
...[/QUOTE]Whats does yous means?
[QUOTE=DownUnderKeith;1605951]I just touch down in HCMC and staying at the Asian Ruby Hotel. I take a walk down at this Le Thanh Ton street, and.
Manage to pass by this Bar by the name of Twilight. There is this cutie standing outside the bar, and she said Hello, to me.
I just smile at her and carry on walking. I search through the forum but there is no report about this bar.
I wish to hook on with that cutie but prefer to have more report about this bar before I step in?
So any kind soul able to share a report about the bar?[/QUOTE]Ah, me too, I wanted to try out this bar. Was hoping you had stepped in and wrote a report. Mind doing it for us bros?
Thank you so much.
[QUOTE=MikHcmc;1606237]OMG a cute girl actually said Hello to you. And she was standing outside the bar. She must be a working girl.
Do you want us to ask if she likes you?
If she has a bf?
You want us to take you both to a hotel, undress you both and after rolling a rubber down your dick push your hips forward and backwards too?
Mate its a bar, Go there, look around, find a seat and order a drink, Either way nothing is going to happen.
Not all the bars here are girly bars, and not all door girls / greeting girls are working girls.[/QUOTE]Haha. I have not been on this site for a few weeks but I'm flying back tomorrow so thought I would have a look. And (haha) last time it was me who was under attack from Mik. The short shorts, tiny skirts and happy hot smiles are new to us westerners. Back home this would be a surer sign of promising things. But you are correct he should have gone in and explored. A bit of eye contact would have told him everything he wanted to know. Can't wait.
Anyone know how long this place stores your bottles for. It was more expensive than the girls. It's been two years since I left one. I might go back for the rest of it this trip.
It's a billiard bar concept with ladies who is willing to go back to the hotel with you or oblige with an on site BJ or strip tease.
They have a very bad habit of "mis-counting" the ladies drinks and inflating the bill.
We just got back from the bar, and we were very very lucid and clear that we only got each lady 7 cups of drinks each. The bill was inflated to give each lady 14 cups, effectively doubling the bill.
The ladies were also asking us for a new cup of ladies drink every 5 minutes, spoiling the fun for everyone.
The manager got in thugs, and refused to let our group leave until we paid up the full inflated bill, and things got downhill fast.
Beware of this place. Avoid at all cost! The ladies also asked for ridiculous amount of tips for basically doing nothing but sit around asking us for ladies drinks.
[quote=vietnamalex;1611058]beware of this place. avoid at all cost! the ladies also asked for ridiculous amount of tips for basically doing nothing but sit around asking us for ladies drinks.[/quote]i think what you are describing is what they would call a "clip joint". i have heard of friends going to this place and not having that same experience, but it doesn't sound like you are making this up. for what it's worth, i've poked my head into this place a few times over the last couple years and have never ever been tempted to go in (in other words, i didn't see anything too tempting inside).
a few weeks back i made the rounds of all the bars in that area and was pleasantly surprised to see some new fresh talent rep001tered around at various bars. bin bin looked quite good especially, but i spotted some good ones at 91, nightfall and the bar on dong du across from 2 sisters.
went around this week to all the same bars and it was a very different story.
there were no hot ones at bin bin or 91 or nightfall. at the other one, and the name is si-no-ba (weird name, i know), i came in and sat down. ordered a beer. a woman came over in very good english, a mamasan / manager, and let me know this place was special, they did everything to take care of the customer, not like the other places, yada yada, for way longer than i was interested in hearing. but she asked if i wanted to sit with a lady. there was one hot one in this place, the rest so so. i asked to sit with that one. she came over and stood a good foot and a half away, and started polite conversation in english. the manager came over and kind of pushed us together more and said we were both shy. her drink arrived and i noticed that it looked like a large-size real cocktail. so i asked, quietly, oh what drink is that? (of course the rest of the places serve half-size coke or something, not a cocktail complete with garnish) gin and tonic she said. oh, how much? "110,000. " hm. anyway, the polite conversation continued. my arm around her waist didn't get taken as a hint to move in any closer. after 10 minutes or so this was feeling like an expensive dead end. i figured wtf, and asked her do ladies at this bar go out? she answered "i don't know" followed by awkward silence. then she added, "many probably do". the message was clear: "but i don't. " or maybe "at least not with you. " excellent. so the entertainment offered here is this polite conversation about where i live and what my job is. i was dressed for business, just had a haircut and shower, so i doubt it was me. i'd say it's just that this place, or at least this girl, isn't as hands-on as most of these places. a beer was 80,000, and the lady drink 110,000, so that's a pretty big step up from the other bars. and for far less service. anyway, yeah, if you can be content with something like that, of having to do a lot of work and spend a lot of money just so maybe the girl will go out, this might be ok. no idea what takeout costs there, but judging by drink prices my guess is that it's higher than others.
oh and on another night, i went to bin bin to seek a girl i'd been with there earlier. she wasn't there. but a few doors up le thanh ton there's another new bar with a cute girl or 2 standing out in front. i made eye contact with one and headed inside. she ushered me in and then headed back out to continue trying to lure customers from the street. i sat down, feeling that if i requested her then everythign would be fine. so i ordered a beer. for the next few minutes girls milled around the bar, everyone ignoring me as i sat alone with my beer. no one made any attempt to sit with me, or even look at me. this is the opposite of what always happens at any bar i go into. finally i called over the manager guy who took my order. i asked him, so is this a bar like the other one (pointing toward bin bin 2 doors down) and he said no, that's a lady bar, this isn't a lady bar. it's just a bar. funny, why do they have cute girls in skimpy dresses (just like the ones they all wear at bin bin and the rest) standing outside and inside? so the gist: no lady is going to come sit with me, and there's no takeout. the only option is to select a lady who would go upstairs and give me a massage. those are 400,000, according to their printed menu. the non-attention in the bar is making me think that the wishful idea of a happy anything upstairs is hope against hope. i mean, if they're deceptive downstairs, not much chance they won't be upstairs. but maybe i'm wrong. maybe someone else here can go in and give this place a try, see what's possible. definitely some cute ones there, a big step up from what bin bin offered that night. but it looks like this place is just trying to pretend to be a lady bar to lure customers in. too bad, because a new spot with some good lookers is so needed down there now.
but the gist of all this: it looks like deception games are taking over in some of these bars. prices are being inflated as they cut way back on what they offer. and cute girls are getting harder and harder to find. i checked out every bar down there over 2 nights, and did not see one single girl who got me excited. the one in sinoba was the closest, and then that ended up being a turn-off. but even her, sometimes i see ones and think, ok she's worth taking out. sometimes it takes awhile to see something in them that makes you want to take them out, or their attitude helps push it over the top, and that's more common, i think. this girl was not in that first category.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1611195] Prices are being inflated as they cut way back on what they offer. And cute girls are getting harder and harder to find. I checked out every bar down there over 2 nights, and did not see one single girl who got me excited. [/QUOTE]Given these trends I am glad my business trips to Vietnam have concluded. It's more fun in the Philippines. Still, great memories. Regards, W, and all the VN mongers. I will say that some of those Vietnamese girls in the hot tocs are strikingly beautiful albeit difficult to bed.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1611195]I think what you are describing is what they would call a "clip joint". I have heard of friends going to this place and not having that same experience, but it doesn't sound like you are making this up. For what it's worth, I've poked my head into this place a few times over the last couple years and have never ever been tempted to go in (in other words, I didn't see anything too tempting inside).[/QUOTE]From what I understand after talking to some veterans after my very bad experience at King Coconut on thi sach street, the management was changed recently, and the new managers are asked to inflate the bill of groups, where drinks tend to be more and harder to keep track.
The ex-cashier and ex managers have opened a place down the road near apocalypse. The current manager who is the one running this bill and drink inflation scam is new.
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man things are just not going well for me in these bars lately.
one night this past week i spotted a cute one sitting in front of one bar, young and new girl. cute but i had a hot one in mind who i knew would be at a different bar. that other one turned out to be a dud and so i headed back to the first bar i saw and looked for the young cute one. not there. ugh. tonight i went back to the same bar early, and again she's not there. grrr.
i headed to an old standby bar, bin bin. (it changed its name to midnight star or something like this recently) there was one i liked there before but she left recently, so i thought i'd see what else they had, it's one bar that replenishes pretty well. nothing great but one there looked good enough. they made me go upstairs to sit down for some reason. ok whatever. anyway, in not too long a time she had her hand on my thing and was pretty much begging me to go boom boom at a hotel or else right there. hm. pretty fast. i told her, too fast. well, she did not take the hint. that was pretty much all she could think of to do, back and forth between stroking mr mister, and asking if we could go do boom boom. we'll call it the "grab and nag". sometimes if you buy them the 2nd drink they up things a notch and things can develop. not this one. same thing again and again. too bad. boring. i had enough of it and paid and left.
pretty disappointed, i headed to 2 sisters, which a few weeks ago was stocked with a fairly old crew, but so many. basically, i was up for some there-in-the-bar attention from some ambitious lass, and that seemed like the best bet. got in there, and there were a couple of relatively young / cute ones. i picked one, and. now listen to this part. she came over, and sat on the stool next to me. as soon as she did that, i knew this was going to totally suck. when they do that, it always sucks. basically they plant themselves on the stool, and the only way to get them off the stool i think would be to insist, and if i have to do that then what's the point. sitting on that stool, you are guaranteed to get zero physical attention, so it's a lost cause. as of now, i'm changing my policy. if a girl comes over and proceeds to sit on the stool next to me, immediately ask for the check and leave. no lady drink. no tip. if you stay, your only options are to sit there and suffer, maybe entertain some false sense of hope for a drink or 2 (ha! good luck), or else immediately say you want to choose another girl, which is going to be awkward and make you look a bit psycho in front of everyone (so girl #2 will think "great, why do i have to get the psycho" and then you are on to your #2 choice who is probably going to be a step down in the looks dept, and who might also suck. nah better at that point to just cut and run. the girl sucks for sure, and you might as well fold and limit your losses. also maybe mamasan takes the hint and trains her girls to not pull that move.
as it was, i naively went 2 drinks with her, thinking she might relent if i got her drink #2. nope. and i don't know why i thought she would, girls who do that never do. i've seen it many times. basically if a girl is not too experienced in the bar and is feeling uncomfortable or awkward, she'll stand a bit apart. and if so, you can warm her up and get closer as time goes on, or else she'll get comfortable and eventually move in. and things can develop nicely in that case. but the move to the stool is only done by a girl with experience, and she's basically doing that to rule out any possibility of anything touchy happening. and you probably can take that girl to a hotel, she would almost surely be up for that, and in the room she would be terrible. she would want you to pay first before the deed. she would probably try to make phone calls. she would not want to kiss. she would try to speed up the performance, whipping all her clothes off immediately and asking you to hurry up and put it in, and get it over with asap.
yeah these bars are pretty bad lately.
Guys,
My VN GF oversees these ladies called "PGs" or Promotion Girls. They work for the different beer distributors in many bars in many of the Districts in HCMC. These girls are hot. Their job is to get guys to buy beer, thus, they are "promoting" the beer brand.
My VN GF who manages these girls tells me that the girls are often happy to go with foreign men. You have to schmooze them a bit (that is sweeten them up, chat them uup, etc.).
She tells me that the girls are found in many bars around HCMC, she has worked in D1 and D10 where the bars had PGs.
Just a tip, you guys may know more about this already. As for my GF, hehehe. I like fucking the management. LOL.
Enjoy,
GG
I stopped in at 91 this past week. The quality of girls in that place seems to be edging back up, though nowhere near the levels it had been about 2 years ago or earlier, when you could almost count on finding 2 or more genuine stunners in there, and almost all the rest more than acceptable.
Seating in this place has switched to big chairs with big arms on them. Lights kept up pretty bright. The girls all wear ao dai there, which have neck-high collars on them, long sleeves and long pants. So if you pick a girl to with with, it's pretty tame. You sit in your chair, she sits in hers, and you talk about interesting subjects like where you live, where she lives, how many brothers and sisters she has, etc etc.
So I went in and was asked to pick a girl. I did that. She came over and almost immediately invited me to come upstairs to play billiards. Seeing how this main floor atmosphere was going to allow absolutely nothing in the way of "entertainment" I agreed. We got upstairs, it was totally empty except for 2 billiard tables, one large and one small. Billiards is my absolute least favorite thing to do in these bars. Games go on for what seems like forever, and girls generally don't cuddle or do anything especially sexy during a game.
Well this one made an offer of a bet. If I win she will take off her clothes (which she said soon after meant just her top, not her bottom), and if she wins I have to pay her 300,000. I had heard about this deal from others on the forum, and years ago got offered it often, though never from one I thought was worth it. This one was cute. But I've heard that they will cheat on these bets one way or another. I always thought if I got offered this game, I would respond saying, "How about this, no bet. If you take off your clothes, I'll give you 200,000 (300 seemed a bit high to me). This seemed to short-circuit her and she kept explaining her bet to me again and again as if I hadn't understood. I told her, yeah I understand. No. But you can get the money and I can get to see, everybody wins. She said, OK. Then she said so you want to play? What the hell I thought, why not. So we played. I soon got a to where I had one ball plus the 8 left to sink, she still had 4 to go. As the game went on, I totally missed my ball not once but twice, which gave her an extra shot. A bit weird, she placed the ball where ever she wanted on the table, like right behind the ball she was trying to knock in rather down the opposite end. Never saw that before. I'm not much of a billiard player, as some of you can surely tell. Well, soon she was caught up almost, with all her extra shots, and I had just the 8 to go. I had a tough angle on it and hit the cue ball toward it, and the cue ball just curved off to the side and totally missed it. I was looking right down my stick and the curve on my ball was weird. It was a close shot too. The other 2 shots seemed like a result of my carelessness, I didn't care if I won or lost so wasn't trying very hard. Anyway, she got 2 shots again and took advantage of it. She won.
So we headed over to our chairs, which like the ones downstairs had big arms on them. And now she's asking me to pay up. But not as if I'm paying for her to now take off her top, but pay up as in I lost the bet. WTF. I told her, no, we didn't bet, I told you I didn't want to bet. She said I must have misunderstood. It was clear that the only thing that was going to happen here was me paying, that her top absolutely was not coming off. The mood had been very good during the game, and I was horny, and still figured there would be some fun to be salvaged from this, so I shrugged it off and started talking to her. But these separated chairs were basically blocking any coziness. We made small talk for awhile, running out of things to say. She mentioned the possibility of going to a hotel, and I'm thinking, why would I want to do that with a girl sitting way over there in a chair who's doing absolutely nothing at all to get me in the mood? So she was saying she wanted to be sure I enjoy and feel happy (note on that later). So I said yes ok, and patted my lap as if to say, so come sit over here. "No I stay here, I'm shy" she said. Shy? A few minutes ago you were making a bet to take off your clothes, now you're shy? So at this moment it hit me, this girl is the scammer type. She's not going to give ANYTHING in this encounter, for her this is a challenge to see how much money she can get while giving up as little as possible, and absolutely nothing if she can do that. And so far that's what it is.
So my head spun a bit with that "shy" statement, and I just said "OK, check please" I insisted we just go downstairs now to settle the bill. I wanted out of there as soon as possible. After getting my change, she was asking me for her tip. Told her "you got your tip upstairs, I paid you money already. " Not acceptable to her. Well, sorry.
I've never refused a tip before in any of these bars, but with this one the thought of handing her yet more money for being a pure tease was just too much.
So back to her comment about "we want you to enjoy and be happy". Well, a few nights before that I was at that Sino-Ba and the mamasan there was going on and on saying pretty much the same thing. I thought it's interesting that in these 2 bars where the girl was not going to allow any kind of touching or contact or warmth at all, that their spiel in both was how the customer's happiness and enjoyment is so important to them. In reality, they are making sure that the customer can not enjoy their time there and feels dissatisfied and taken advantage of. In bars where the girls actually do make you feel good, they never bother saying stupid crap like that. In bars that suck, they make sure to say it. Red flag.
91 seems to be history. A night or 2 after the night of my previous report I noticed it closing very early, maybe 10 pm or so. Lights were bright and girls heading out the door. One night after that this past week I saw it totally closed up in the evening.
Tonight I walked past and looked in, it's being gutted. The bar was removed, no furniture inside, bare brick walls. Basically everything that was in there is gone now. Looks like it is 91 no more.
It was once a great bar for girls.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1602690]To Ikksman.
I think the Lurker get all his experience by reading your and other ISG member post, he is right Viet girl service and attuide do sucks only good viet experience I ever got is from beach club in KL.
Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]
Probably the wrong place for this discussion but I have generally found the Viet gals in places like Singapore and Malaysia to be pretty sharp on the game and the service is pretty mechanical and rushed. But there have always been the giveaway signs of jewellery, makeup and tattooos. The only good experience was a skinny gal from Hanoi in Beach Club (KL) who did not see the need for underwear.
On the other hand the SYT that you find in shops, restaurants and hair places in D1 have none of these traits and they are happy to give of themselves to sample a life a bit better than theirs.
And there has also been more discussion about hotels. The 3,4 and 5 star hotels all have some sort of government JV going and they stick to the rules. You can generally take a gal up during the day but rarely in the evening and never after 9 pm. The only exception might be the Renaissance which has a 2nd floor access to/from the Casino and Karaoke. But those girls are up themselves and not worth it anyways.
Let me state it clearly. Every one of the one room wide hotels is GF. The contrast is clear on Mac Thi Boui - the Bach Dang is wider and will not let them stay overnight yet the old Kim Long opposite (now tarted up as Saigon River Hotel is GF as is the Business hotel down the road. I am not sure about ones like the A & Em on Thi Sach as that chain is reputed to be GF but that hotel does not meet my criteria.
Went to Apoco Now last Friday. First time there actually. Lots of good looking freelancers, hardcore, cold, asking $100 short time. Felt risky, suspect bad service.
Better to stick with bar girls. Accountability so they perform much better.
Some recent bangers:
Looks like a few places have again been raided by the police lately. I know about Sinobar on Thisach and I've been told about at least 2 more places downtown.
[QUOTE=FrenchiVietnam;1634203]Looks like a few places have again been raided by the police lately. I know about Sinobar on Thisach and I've been told about at least 2 more places downtown.[/QUOTE]Sinoba is on Dong Du. Pulse is on Thi Sach. (both are pretty lousy, I would say) Would be curious to know which bars got hit, and if it's the same kind of raid that the 37,49 and 51 bars had last year (shut down permanently with arrests made).
I haven't been down there in awhile. Last time I was, maybe 2 weeks ago, 91 was under renovation to become what looks like maybe a normal restaurant. Not sure.
Ya I got confused with the names. Sinobar was the one right next to the Ciao Bella restaurant and apparently it will not open again, same with 2 sisters bar just on the other side of the street. I'm not sure about pulse, would be a shame that it closes for good too, I've seen BJ performed on the ground floor there and the action was quite wild at times, some other times it was completely dead. I've been told when the police raid those type of places they "stamp" the ID of any girl working there and after the second stamp they are facing jail charges.
Just curious for latest ranking of bars to try during daytime? And eves?
[QUOTE=CRLuverGuy;1634903]Just curious for latest ranking of bars to try during daytime? And eves?[/QUOTE]Nearly all would be closed day time. The only one I know that used to be open afternoons was Thien Lic in corner if HBT and Mac Thi Buoi.
I drove around, and Si-No-Ba, Two Sisters on Dong Du both look permanently closed. Pulse on Thi Sach also did.
Still open: nightfall, 29 dong Khoi, king coconut, Thien Loc. Didn't check Bin Bin.
Binbin is still open (it changed names recently, now its moon-something I can't remember exactly) I was there the other day with a friend. The usual, he got a BJ upstairs for 1 M and I got a BJ+bang upstairs for 1. 5 M. My girl was pretty nice, took her number. I have a couple numbers from this bar that sometimes come in handful when I go out at other places but it turns out I won't score anything but still am in the mood for a quick bang before going home. A few girls working there used to work in the numbered bars on HBT, and some of them sometimes make trip to Singapore for a few weeks, apparently they get paid a lot better over there. Also the bartender guy at Binbin tried to charge us 10 lady drinks that then became 6 and then 4, plus obv 20 k for the peanuts nobody ordered. He insulted us in Vietnamese when we stood our ground a little bit but it was funny how the girls quickly agreed with us (at first they didn't say anything and tried to let the guy deal with the situation) that we offered them just 2 drinks each while he was still arguing we got them more than that. I don't mind overpaying a little bit for half decent pussy but I hate when the managers so obviously try to rip you off like that.
Thien loc and 29 dong khoi are still open, haven't been there in a long time though. Nightfall is still open, but girl selection has been very poor lately. Which one is king coconut? Also there is one just 10 meters down former 2 sisters but not really worth going in, unattractive birds asking 100 $+20 $ barfine for a quickie.
There are also 2 more on LE thanh ton after former Binbin (one is former "models" which I think also changed names recently, and am not talking about "twilight" which is a complete crap bar), but not quite the same type of bar, I haven't been myself but I've been told you cannot get any action inside the bar except for some rubbing / fingering and girls are "available" for takeout only after they finish their shift at 2 am.
[QUOTE=FrenchiVietnam;1636068]There are also 2 more on LE thanh ton after former Binbin (one is former "models" which I think also changed names recently, and am not talking about "twilight" which is a complete crap bar), but not quite the same type of bar, I haven't been myself but I've been told you cannot get any action inside the bar except for some rubbing / fingering and girls are "available" for takeout only after they finish their shift at 2 am.[/QUOTE]I noticed the one down from former 2 sisters, and took a look inside. At the door were some old ones, they said in the back is full of girls. I went in, walked toward the back, and there was ONE girl in the back and she was old and unattractive. Hard to believe they would open up a whole new bar with a complete lineup of old unattractive girls.
Up a couple doors from Bin Bin is this place, it always has a girl out front who's fairly attractive to beckon in customers. The front is divided, one side has a bar, the other stairs leading to a massage upstairs. I went to the bar. I sat down at a table, and though there were about 6 girls in the place including the attractive one out front, none made any move to sit with me. The one male manager also ignored me. I guess the whole point of the bar is to lure in customers for one single drink before they realize nothing is happening in this place. The place is definitely trying its best to LOOK like a Bin Bin type bar, but then once inside you get to find out it's not. They do have massage upstairs, but I have no idea what that's about and given the way they treat customers in the bar, not much reason to expect much.
BIn Bin, I was there with a girl once in a few weeks ago, she was insisting on 2 million for upstairs. Way too much. While her persuasion style was purely "let's go hotel" (repeat 100 times) and zero percent anything like rubbing or kissing or touching or physical affection, eventually I was a bit turned on by her and considering doing it but not for that much. She refused to budge and I just started getting annoyed. After maybe 20 minutes of this, me ready to pay and go, finally she said OK one point five million for upstairs. Great, would have closed the deal 15 minutes ago but too late now, I'm not in the mood any more. A few weeks before this I was with another one there who just did the "we go hotel" chant and couldn't think of a single other thing to do to get me in the mood. Hopefully I was just unlucky and this is not a new trend for Bin Bin. Polar opposite of a bar like 29.
I was on youtube saw some pool club. Are there WGs there?
[QUOTE=FrenchiVietnam;1636068]Binbin is still open [/QUOTE]King Coconut is on Thi Sach just off of LE Thanh Ton near a couple of the Japanese bars and a legit massage place. It's known to be the most aggressive bar out there in terms of squeezing cash out of customers, padding bills, etc and also forwardness of the girls.
One you missed was Smiley bar, on Thai Van Lung up a ways from Apocalypse Now.
The one on the street where 2 Sisters was located (recently closed) (that's Dong Du street) was awful the 2 times I poked my head in. Old girls who should be retired from that business.
Bin Bin changed its name and I also can't remember what it's called now. Midnight something, I think. Girl quality has been down there for awhile, which is true for all these bars. Sometimes a clampdown with a few bars results in the cute ones all being filtered down to fewer bars, so better quality in fewer places, no need to go around to many bars in hopes of finding a good one. Not this time. Seems to have had the opposite effect and chased away all the cute ones, and I do mean all. I"m not seeing any over a 6 these days, in any bar.
There is a massage place just a couple doors up from Bin Bin. Ground floor is a bar which is not of the type we are talking about (found out the hard way, by having a drink there, taking one for the team). But upstairs is massage and they have some very cute girls. Much nicer than in any of these bars we are talking about. Can someone here be our Guinea pig and see what goes with this? I think a massage is 300 or 400, which is already on the high end. If it's just a high priced HJ with very limited flexibility for the customer, then this is a dead end. Most places in this area are Japanese-oriented, so it could be that. If that were the case for this place, hugely overpriced would be expected.
Just occurred to me, why no clampdown on the Japanese places? The westerner-oriented bars have been nearly wiped out, while the Japanese ones are more numerous than ever.
[QUOTE=MileHigh303;1660556]I was on youtube saw some pool club. Are there WGs there?[/QUOTE]I assume you mean billiards, and not swimming pool clubs. When you are not high, come back and post the link so we can see which kind of place you are looking at. Some types of billiard bars have takeout, and others don't. And there's actually a swimming pool I know of that has WG's hanging out sometimes, and probably available. Only way for people here to know which type is if we can see it.
[QUOTE=MileHigh303;1660556]I was on youtube saw some pool club. Are there WGs there?[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention: if it's a billiard bar you saw on youtube, and it had girls in sexy outfits, there's a good chance it was one of the many that were shut down in the past year.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1660665]
Just occurred to me, why no clampdown on the Japanese places? The westerner-oriented bars have been nearly wiped out, while the Japanese ones are more numerous than ever.[/QUOTE]The Japanese are building the subway. They also keep a low profile, and spend a lot of money and have connections.
And you know how most Anglos are in this country.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1660665]King Coconut is on Thi Sach just off of LE Thanh Ton near a couple of the Japanese bars and a legit massage place. It's known to be the most aggressive bar out there in terms of squeezing cash out of customers, padding bills, etc and also forwardness of the girls.
One you missed was Smiley bar, on Thai Van Lung up a ways from Apocalypse Now.
The one on the street where 2 Sisters was located (recently closed) (that's Dong Du street) was awful the 2 times I poked my head in. Old girls who should be retired from that business.
Bin Bin changed its name and I also can't remember what it's called now. Midnight something, I think. Girl quality has been down there for awhile, which is true for all these bars. Sometimes a clampdown with a few bars results in the cute ones all being filtered down to fewer bars, so better quality in fewer places, no need to go around to many bars in hopes of finding a good one. Not this time. Seems to have had the opposite effect and chased away all the cute ones, and I do mean all. I"m not seeing any over a 6 these days, in any bar...[/QUOTE]Smiley Bar and King Coconut are run by the same lady.
There is Miss Saigon bar, which is the Japanese quadrangle just up from Smiley Bar.
Plenty of girls using WeChat, but be careful of those who are offering massage in their profiles or who seem too forward, lots of pimps use WeChat to find customers for their girls. Always do a VDO call on WeChat, if they refuse then you know its a pimp.
As a rule of thumb in District 1, for the massage places, FS when offered is 500 K tip, BJ is 200 K tip. Some of the places the girls will start at 1 M for a BJ / HJ and negotiate down to 500 K but that's far too much. There are plenty of places where 500 K for FS is OK. Around the main roads in D1 the girls always try to get higher prices, so its worthwhile going down the backstreets and trying places away from main roads. Where possible always use the places where girls are hanging around outside. These are more likely to have happy endings. Where no girl / girls are outside these are more likely to be proper spa where special is not offered.
HCM is certainly not as good as it used to be on the bar front. The loss of all the number bars on HBT is a blow to the fun of the place. But its still fun, just needs more effort now in finding good massage places or finding horny girls on WeChat or Zalo (Zalo is a local Vietnamese version of messaging, like WeChat).
Are there any large dance clubs in Saigon? Googling it doesn't seem to help. Any websites like or similar to 1000 bars the one in Jakarta? Thanks.
AmericanThief,
I have just received an initial job offer from the Nips to come and bail them out of the sh*t on the subway. I anticipate leaving the dusts of Abu Dhabi in a month or two.
I'm looking forward to 'exploring' Saigon. I spent a week last year assisting the Nips in Hanoi, lived in BKK for 6 yrs. But never patrolled Saigon!
I'll let you know what and where the (not so) honourably Nips do and go.
Kindest regards,
Bill.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1663424]The Japanese are building the subway. They also keep a low profile, and spend a lot of money and have connections.
And you know how most Anglos are in this country.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChelseaBill;1679970]AmericanThief,
I have just received an initial job offer from the Nips to come and bail them out of the sh*t on the subway. I anticipate leaving the dusts of Abu Dhabi in a month or two.
I'm looking forward to 'exploring' Saigon. I spent a week last year assisting the Nips in Hanoi, lived in BKK for 6 yrs. But never patrolled Saigon!
I'll let you know what and where the (not so) honourably Nips do and go.
Kindest regards,
Bill.[/QUOTE]"Nips"? Really? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume benevolent ignorance, but that's an extremely racist term.
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1680055]"Nips"? Really? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume benevolent ignornance, but that's an extremely racist term in US English on par with "n%gger".[/QUOTE]Jsxyz. Nips short for Nippon. No malicious intent. But please don't be so pompous or pretentious. Maybe only racists have their radar on alert for anything to cry foul over. Not everyone has succumbed to the social engineering that has the West by the balls. Ie. Get over it.
[QUOTE=ChelseaBill;1681642]Jsxyz. Nips short for Nippon. No malicious intent. But please don't be so pompous or pretentious. Maybe only racists have their radar on alert for anything to cry foul over. Not everyone has succumbed to the social engineering that has the West by the balls. Ie. Get over it.[/QUOTE]I'll believe that you believe that the term "nips" isn't racist when you repeatedly use the term to their face.
So I discovered this girl a few months back at a bar on BV. She is smoking hot and only 20 years old. I asked her about ST and she wanted to bring her friend. I'm no into buckteeth girls so I declined and opted to get drunk. Expensive but she does a good job at hosting.
No I'm off for TET and decided to go back and have a go with her. I ate some Kama gel, and damn that shit works fast. I think I peaked before leaving home. Anyway, I get to the bar early to make sure she's available, buy her a drink and off to the hotel.
Oh, she wanted the money up front. Big bright red flag. Any girl asking for money upfront is a set up. So my gut tells me to forget it, and bail out now. This girl is a scammer, but when I tell her I no longer want to go ST she says just the hotel money now.
"I buy hotel for you. " Was it a misunderstanding or was she trying to save this deal? I'll never know.
At the hotel before we even shower she tries to butter me up with all this darling talk and saying how she's working through TET and wants to see me everyday. Bullshit. I undress to shower and she starts complaining right away about my size.
This goes on while I shower and she showers. Slow slow, you so big bull shit. I get a BBBJ from her, not so good. Condom on and some lub on the vagina and I'm in. Slow slow, oh too big big she continues to complain. Her boobs are a lot smaller than I expected too.
Still has nice white skin and very slim so its not bad but not great. She rushes me, I have to repeatedly tell her to shut up and fuck me. All in all I'll never barfine her again. Now I know. I fucked a hottie, but wasn't worth it. 1. 3 million to her and 740,000 to the bar for BF and drinks. So a $100 in all. Terrible deal.
I don't know why I get an error message upload of file failed. The best shots of her outside walking won't load.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1683213]
I don't know why I get an error message upload of file failed. The best shots of her outside walking won't load.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report bro. Your pics probably won't upload because they are too big. Try resizing them.
I'd be very interesting in seeing them as I will be in HCM in May for a first time trip.
Good luck!
You-V.
Living in Asia about ten years and I've experienced a lot of racists ignorant shit myself. Always reminded that I'm a foreigner, far ang, waygooki, gaijin by the natives, So I don't care what you call the Japanese people. This isn't like back home.
Having said that Vietnam is the only country in Asia where I feel like I'm accepted. The other countries I was reminded everyday through micro aggressions that I am a foreigner, so this is one of the very few things I like about Vietnam. But lets not turn this thread into a racial debate. Get back to the girls.
I hit up voodoo, chilis, Ikandy and wonder bar tonight. Pretty fucking boring unless you just want to drink and speak english with staff otherwise no love. I do enjoy seeing the Desparado girls and tonight she was working alone and looked like a newbie so my buds and I threw some negs around her and had a little fun. The girls at 159 look bored but I didn't go inside. Tired.
Oh here is that girl from my earlier post from behind you can really see her sexy body.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1683303]Living in Asia about ten years and I've experienced a lot of racists ignorant shit myself. Always reminded that I'm a foreigner, far ang, waygooki, gaijin by the natives, So I don't care what you call the Japanese people. This isn't like back home.
Having said that Vietnam is the only country in Asia where I feel like I'm accepted. The other countries I was reminded everyday through micro aggressions that I am a foreigner, so this is one of the very few things I like about Vietnam. But lets not turn this thread into a racial debate. Get back to the girls.
I hit up voodoo, chilis, Ikandy and wonder bar tonight. Pretty fucking boring unless you just want to drink and speak english with staff otherwise no love. I do enjoy seeing the Desparado girls and tonight she was working alone and looked like a newbie so my buds and I threw some negs around her and had a little fun. The girls at 159 look bored but I didn't go inside. Tired.
Oh here is that girl from my earlier post from behind you can really see her sexy body.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pic man. Bod is damn fine. Sorry to hear she was a dud in the sack, though.
I hope to be hanging out with a girl I met working the bars in Shanghai and does the SE Asia route: Shanghai, Singapore, HK. She's nor sure she will be in town during my trip. I think she is just trying to get me to promise her money. Fair enough. I am thinking of offering her 700 USD to spend the week with me. We hit it off pretty well while I was in Shanghai and I took her 3 different times, 2ST and 2 LT. Do you think she'll go for it?
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1683406] I am thinking of offering her 700 USD to spend the week with me. We hit it off pretty well while I was in Shanghai and I took her 3 different times, 2ST and 2 LT. Do you think she'll go for it?[/QUOTE]That is 15,000,000 VND, she should be ripping your hand off for that kind of money in Saigon.
Last week I took a bird ST from Apo, she flew in from Shanghai that evening (she still had her passport and Yuan on her). I offered her 1,200,000 and we did ST at her place, which was quite good. Now I am sure that she would have barked at $55 USD in Manhattan bar in Shanghai only 24 hours earlier, but I think these girls know that they will never get the kind of cash in HCM as they command in Singapore or Shanghai. So don't worry that $700 is low balling her, she may pout for 1 minute if she thinks she can squeeze more out of you but I guarantee you that she will not decline.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1683406]
I am thinking of offering her 700 USD to spend the week with me. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I think she will take it. Its more than generous. That's more than some guys pay for one month. This is up to you and what you're after. Since you know her already.
In my experience working girls here don't do LT. They do overnight and dart out the door at sunrise. However, non pros will do LT. They call it "taking care". Another member just did this. I think he paid like $600 and now she's his girlfriend, which is sort of what he wanted anyway. I'm sure she will continue asking for money, and that's up to him, but don't be too surprised if she becomes aloof or maybe tries to renegotiate. She might not want to spend every minute with your for one whole week, or her mother will suddenly get sick and she'll need money to buy medicine and have to go back to her hometown ASAP.
Having said that, if you're planning on staying in nice hotels and traveling around a lot and offer to pick up all expenses then those perks could influence her.
If she doesn't go for it you'll have no problem finding company. You could have 2 sessions a day on that budget, I'm just saying an afternoon BJ and an evening FS if things don't work out for the same amount.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1683519]Yeah, I think she will take it. Its more than generous. That's more than some guys pay for one month. This is up to you and what you're after. Since you know her already.
In my experience working girls here don't do LT. They do overnight and dart out the door at sunrise. However, non pros will do LT. They call it "taking care". Another member just did this. I think he paid like $600 and now she's his girlfriend, which is sort of what he wanted anyway. I'm sure she will continue asking for money, and that's up to him, but don't be too surprised if she becomes aloof or maybe tries to renegotiate. She might not want to spend every minute with your for one whole week, or her mother will suddenly get sick and she'll need money to buy medicine and have to go back to her hometown ASAP.
Having said that, if you're planning on staying in nice hotels and traveling around a lot and offer to pick up all expenses then those perks could influence her.
If she doesn't go for it you'll have no problem finding company. You could have 2 sessions a day on that budget, I'm just saying an afternoon BJ and an evening FS if things don't work out for the same amount.[/QUOTE]Thanks for you reply man.
She was asking for about $150ST and $300 LT in Shanghai. That's the going rate for VN girls at the bars there. So $700 is a discount. But hopefully she'll go for it.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1683587]Thanks for you reply man.
She was asking for about $150ST and $300 LT in Shanghai. That's the going rate for VN girls at the bars there.[/QUOTE]This is why the real lookers, the hotties, the most attractive Vietnamese girls can't be found. They all go abroad to work. So if you want a real hot vietnamese girl, go to Singapore, Shanghai or Macau. Here in vietnam I get the left over Mekong Delta girls.
Ran into more fake booze last night. Fake Jack Daniels at 159. Talked to the owner and he got me a real bottle. Cheers to him as he didn't know, or did he? Happy New Year of the horned animal!
I've always wondered about the upscale bars in D1, in the area around the Bitexco Tower, in particular what's with all the hotties dressed in uniforms? I'm not talking about billiard bars, there don't seem to be many of them left in D1 anyway. But the nice bars, definitely more upscale than the billiard bars. Are the girls available for take-out? I've only been in those places a couple times during the day on past visits, and I barely got even a nod from any of the girls. On a recent trip I stopped in for a beer with a (female) Vietnamese friend after dinner, and she claims they're "working", but I really didn't get that vibe. Seemed more like the bar girls at Maggie's in Beijing to me. Just there to flirt and get you to buy more drinks.
Any local experts have intel?
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1684248]I've always wondered about the upscale bars in D1, in the area around the Bitexco Tower, in particular what's with all the hotties dressed in uniforms? I'm not talking about billiard bars, there don't seem to be many of them left in D1 anyway. But the nice bars, definitely more upscale than the billiard bars. Are the girls available for take-out? I've only been in those places a couple times during the day on past visits, and I barely got even a nod from any of the girls. On a recent trip I stopped in for a beer with a (female) Vietnamese friend after dinner, and she claims they're "working", but I really didn't get that vibe. Seemed more like the bar girls at Maggie's in Beijing to me. Just there to flirt and get you to buy more drinks.
Any local experts have intel?[/QUOTE]I am absolutely not an expert on these places, and I thought someone else here would have chirped in by now about them. Girls in these places are not available for take-out, are not working girls. Normally. But of course if you work on it a bit, you may unearth one who is up for that, it's just that it will be a lucky find, and it's a bit messy trying to figure out does she or doesn't she. I mean, how do you discreetly ask a girl if she's a working girl. And then once you do that and the answer is No, well, you know she's going to blab that to everyone she works with, and then how will that affect your image in that place.
And hey if you or anyone has good ideas how to handle that conundrum, I'm all ears. There are so many times I see girls in places like those or in cafes where I wish there was a good way to find out if they're working or not.
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1684248]On a recent trip I stopped in for a beer with a (female) Vietnamese friend after dinner, and she claims they're "working", but I really didn't get that vibe. [/QUOTE]Keep in mind, most people here think swimming and playing basketball makes you taller, and that change in weather causes illnesses. Not bacteria or viruses, change in weather. Pseudo-wisdom abounds here.
I just remembered another popular wisdom gem: children shouldn't wear helmets while on motorbikes because it will stop their heads from growing.
Ask your Vietnamese friend about some of these.
It's probably because those girls Main job is to work at the bar rather than go with clients. Also Vietnam has a low cost of living, so often these girls can live on the wage of working at the bar. If they do go with a client it might be once a month, and the money they make is enough to pay for their living cost. These girls will eventually get married so they also want to protect their dignity for their future husbands.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1685537]I am absolutely not an expert on these places, and I thought someone else here would have chirped in by now about them. Girls in these places are not available for take-out, are not working girls. Normally. But of course if you work on it a bit, you may unearth one who is up for that, it's just that it will be a lucky find, and it's a bit messy trying to figure out does she or doesn't she. I mean, how do you discreetly ask a girl if she's a working girl. And then once you do that and the answer is No, well, you know she's going to blab that to everyone she works with, and then how will that affect your image in that place.
And hey if you or anyone has good ideas how to handle that conundrum, I'm all ears. There are so many times I see girls in places like those or in cafes where I wish there was a good way to find out if they're working or not.[/QUOTE]
They are working, as in that's their job like a waitress / hostess. I don't even know any bars around Bixteco except Hogs Breath and they just have beer girls there. Are you sure about the location? Maybe you were near Citi Tower where the hostess bars are?
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1685640]They are working, as in that's their job like a waitress / hostess. I don't even know any bars around Bixteco except Hogs Breath and they just have beer girls there. Are you sure about the location? Maybe you were near Citi Tower where the hostess bars are?[/QUOTE]Yeah I mean Bitexco. There are tons of bars in those few square blocks, from sports bars to the "hostess" bars I'm talking about. I even found a really nice lounge-type bar right next door to the bar I was drinking in with my friend which prompted the question. I don't remember the name of the bar with the girls, but for reference the lounge next door is called Shrine, [URL]http://shrinebarsaigon.com/.[/URL].
[QUOTE=Wendella;1685537]I am absolutely not an expert on these places, and I thought someone else here would have chirped in by now about them. Girls in these places are not available for take-out, are not working girls. Normally. But of course if you work on it a bit, you may unearth one who is up for that, it's just that it will be a lucky find, and it's a bit messy trying to figure out does she or doesn't she. I mean, how do you discreetly ask a girl if she's a working girl. And then once you do that and the answer is No, well, you know she's going to blab that to everyone she works with, and then how will that affect your image in that place.
And hey if you or anyone has good ideas how to handle that conundrum, I'm all ears. There are so many times I see girls in places like those or in cafes where I wish there was a good way to find out if they're working or not.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that's kinda what I figured, definitely the vibe I got too.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1685640]They are working, as in that's their job like a waitress / hostess. I don't even know any bars around Bixteco except Hogs Breath and they just have beer girls there. Are you sure about the location? Maybe you were near Citi Tower where the hostess bars are?[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that he's talking about those hostess bars yes, like number 5, Kim's, chili bar, wonder bar, the office, and so on. There's a few locations where they're clustered. Behind Citi is one, like you said. Pasteur near ham Nghi is another. And also near bitexco, maybe more spots too. I don't go to them, but I know a group of guys who go make the rounds at them every week.
The girls at Voodoo do "blow jobs" right at the bar. . No tip necessary..ho ho ho
Napoly is nice.
You'll have to go in the back and up the stairs, a lot of expats come here. The girls are comparable to Catwalk.
Catwalk is also nice, never get the karaoke rooms its a ripoff.
Spent over $1,000 in the karaoke room when I could have had just at much fun at the bar below for less than half that.
Go2 Bar in District 1 does not start to pickup until after midnight, maybe even closer to 1 AM. It's pretty easy to spot the working girls because they make more eye contact with you then an optometrist during an eye exam. Some of them looked a little old in the tooth even in the very dim lighting. The place was pretty well packed by 3 AM. I nice spinner named Tina walked in around that time and it was love at first sight. After talking her down from 2 Million to 1. 5, we were off to get some noodles, and then on to my hotel so she could get the bonus noodle. She was a hellcat in bed and well worth the time and dong, and she stayed until noon which I didn't expect. I will probably partake again. Happy hunting!
YM.
If you must get visa on arrival carrying letter or what not, my advice is to bribe one of many officials working and talking with tourists upfront to avoid endless wait. Ours was nearly two hours and I don't know how we managed not to miss our connecting flight. Or better yet get your visa at the embassy prior to your arrival if you've got time.
Not much to report on the P4 P other than what's already been reported on this forum. If you must get a girl late night motorbike guys will find you one, expect quality to vary.
First time poster, long time lurker!
Arrived in HCMC early this morning. Did someone forget to turn the thermostat down?
If anyone reads about a Canadian guy dying of heat stroke, that'll be me.
Just a quick thanks to some of the posters here for some good reading. Cab driver tried the 200 k fare thing then miraculously was 400 k when I got in the cab. Bailed and walked a bit, Vinasun cab on.
Meter 130 k to hotel. 20 k tip.
Checked in, quick nap, and out for a walk.
Had a massage at a place directly across street from Ho Sen Hotel. 380 k quoted for 60 minute massage, talked her down to 250 k.
Cute girl, mid 20's, 6-7 IMO. Offered HJ + massage for 1. 5 m, BJ + massage for 2 m. I just chuckled. She was getting pretty frustrated to the point of pulling those god awful shorts down, giving me a little rub-a-dub chub, then pulling them up and pouting.
Offered 500 k for HJ + massage, more pouting. No Deal. Paid 300 k, actually not a bad massage.
Back to room to shower and try to find some food.
More walking, ended up at a little joint called Kim's something or other? Cute girl there, Cam? I believe her name was sat with me.
Having RTFF'S first thing I asked was if she bar fined. Negative. Bought her a drink as she gave me some pointers on where to go and whatnot. 168 k for lady drink and a Saigon beer, which by the way is becoming my favourite.
Hit Twilight as I was walking by, 2 am local time. Place was deserted except for about 10-12 girls. Some good lookers, mostly 6-7's again IMO.
Had another Saigon while a girl comes up and starts talking. 1.5 m for BJ upstairs or 2 m for fuck she tells me.
"Just here for one beer" I tell her. Hand in my lap asking me where I'm from, where I'm staying, and since it's my first time in Vietnam I should have some fun upstairs. 2 m includes the bar fine and my drink so maybe it is a bargain?
Absolutely amazed with HCMC. Walked about 4-5 hours tonight just looking around. Guessing maybe 7-8 guys in scooters pulled over and offered me everything under the sun.
So this is my first report on ISG, hopefully many more to come if the heat doesn't get me! Here for a week, off to Phnom Penh for another week, then decide where the 3rd week will be spent.
What's the deal at Napoly.
Is it a straight out bar with FLs? Or a hostess bar? What is the price range for these girls? Getting frustrated in Saigon the lack of quality available.
Went to Lush and nothing stunning available. Anything that was worth it started at 150 usd for short time.
Apocalypse is also dismal- 200 for short time for some old hags.
Anyone have experience with Ace, Sin lounge, Gold club, chill sky bars?
[QUOTE=SirRox;1705318]First time poster, long time lurker!
More walking, ended up at a little joint called Kim's something or other? Cute girl there, Cam? I believe her name was sat with me.
Having RTFF'S first thing I asked was if she bar fined. Negative. Bought her a drink as she gave me some pointers on where to go and whatnot. 168 k for lady drink and a Saigon beer, which by the way is becoming my favourite.[/QUOTE]Kim's Tavern. Lots of hostesses / waitress none will barfine. They will be your girlfriend for $600-$1000 a month if you put them on your payroll. I find the girls are Xu more attractive than Kim's but same deal. If you want to speak English to girls while drinking.
Kind of pointless, but when you live here you can't realistically P4P everyday so often I find myself at these kind of places just drinking and chatting or hooking up with friends. Also you don't find any of those annoying backpackers in these bars.
Was drinking heavy least night. Found a new arrival from Nha Trang. Great service, GFE, DFK in the bar as well. Will return. 200 BF, 1 M service, drinks and tip were extra.
One of the better looking girls I've ever found in the one of the dirtiest, little dive bars around. (Also, they were selling the fake booze at this place so be careful especially in this heat.).
I can't be bothered to drive 45 minutes outside of D1 to save $5.
She asked for my number which was a first. Usually they just want my dong. No English, only body language, so don't know why she asked for my number. Probably shouldn't have given it to her or maybe its time I get a hoe phone.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1681647]I'll believe that you believe that the term "nips" isn't racist when you repeatedly use the term to their face.[/QUOTE]So, by your rationale, 'Yanks' and / or 'Brits' are also racist terms?
Social engineering by the liberal fascists.
What bar was that?
Did she call you?
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1705889]Was drinking heavy least night. Found a new arrival from Nha Trang. Great service, GFE, DFK in the bar as well. Will return. 200 BF, 1 M service, drinks and tip were extra.
One of the better looking girls I've ever found in the one of the dirtiest, little dive bars around. (Also, they were selling the fake booze at this place so be careful especially in this heat.).
I can't be bothered to drive 45 minutes outside of D1 to save $5.
She asked for my number which was a first. Usually they just want my dong. No English, only body language, so don't know why she asked for my number. Probably shouldn't have given it to her or maybe its time I get a hoe phone.[/QUOTE]
Finally I left the dusts of Abu Dhabi (good market for mongering) after having most of the pretty P4 P things there.
Saigon. New ventures, new mongering market for me. My new employer has put me in a very basic, but clean and excellently located hotel in Thi Sach St, Ben Nghe Ward, District 1 - 50 m from Apocalypse Now.
First evening, after stumbling out of Etihad Business class, managed to shower, clean teeth and feel frisky. Turn left out of the hotel and there's this dull looking entrance to what appears to be a bar with lots of noise coming out of it and a few women outside. Hmmm. Luckily, a doorman recognised my plight and invited me in. Free of charge. Ah hell, why not? Inside, 21:00 hrs or so, it is a little quite but food would be served upstairs in 'UpStation' ok.
Cut a long story short, the place started to buzz 22:00 hrs onwards with a variety of terribly nice (yuk!) expat hippocrocopigs, many young Ruperts and Rodneys and a smattering of VN girls. The VN girls drifted in more and more, however, the quality, generally, was nothing to get too excited about. (I lived in Sukhumvit for 6 years). Nonetheless, as in every pick up joint, there were a few diamonds in the rough. Some of these diamonds were just plain stupid and / or greedy. Towards 02:00 hrs, I was approached by a sweetie, sure, 8/10, too aggressive, telling me how she would suck me for hours, lick my arse (the thought of kissing her then horrified me!) all night for only $200. I told her I only wanted short time. Still, only $200. I asked her if I rely looked like a tourist, to which she replied, "Yes" - I don't think she realised I was having a pop back at her. She eventually gave up the pursuit after the 10th "No, thank you!" Number 2 came along, softer approach, wanted $200. I told her she would want to give me $200 after I made her scream and orgasm for several hours. Did she want to bet? If I make her come many times, she would give me $200, or if she could take straight sex for 2 hours, not 30 minutes or 1 hour, but 2 hrs straight, I would give her $200. No. She said that would be too long.
Number 3 came along and had the right softly, softly approach and I was ready. She wanted $100 for all night. I only wanted short time. Short time same-same - $100. Nah. Not tonight, thanks. She came back after 20 minutes and asked for $75 short time. I felt obliged, or was it the effects of the little blue headache tablet starting to kick in?
We proved that the hotel was girl friendly. The sex was adequate (a lot of genuine moaning and groaning, but not tight at all, which was surprising for such a small framed girl). A little disappointing compared to my exploits in Fortuna and Hanoi Hotel last year, Thailand in general and the Chinese takeaways in Abu Dhabi. Unfortunately, afterwards, sweetie was all over me like a cheap rash. Wanting to meet me to go to the cinema, take me out to dinner, show me around, etc. Kinda killed it for me. I've been doing some prep work on VNCupid for a few months and it appears to me that most of the VN girls just seem to want to get married to get out of Dodge...
New market, new meat, Apocalypse will be HQ from where I shall go out on aggressive patrols to other target rich environments.
[QUOTE=ChelseaBill;1715539]Finally I left the dusts of Abu Dhabi (good market for mongering) after having most of the pretty P4 P things there.
[/QUOTE]For your price range, ease of use and proximity, try hitting some of the girl bars. 13 LE Thanh Ton is one, there are one or two more on that stretch before reaching Thi Sach street. Smiley bar is near Apo, one block over going opposite direction from Hai Ba Trung. There's one on Thi Sach just near LE Thanh Ton. There's one on corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi street. Another at 29 Dong Khoi. They're all stocked with working girls, available for immediate takeout. And in the backpacker area, a short taxi ride away, thre are grungier versions of these bars, particularly in the area where Bui Vien and Do Quang Do street meet.
I just got back from my annual trip to HCMC. Here's a quick review:
My first night, I went straight from the airport to my hotel (in District 7). As always, my first stop was Bar 29 and I arrived well past midnight. I know the mamasan well and she showed me her latest "talents". Girls were friendly (and touchy) but no one in particular caught my eye so I decided to walk around the neighborhood. Outside Velvet club, I saw two hotties and exchanged a few words, but they quickly hopped on a motorbike and took off. From there, I took a cab to Go2 Bar around 2:00 am. It was quite dead at that hour but I figured I'd at least use my free drink ticket. Within 30 minutes, the bar filled up with mostly 5's and 6's. I wasn't disappointed as this was my first night and I wasn't expecting much. Outside, I grabbed a pork gyro and enjoyed the scenery.
I woke up early the next morning and went to minh tam 2 for a massage. I won't go much into detail as I plan on writing a separate review on the massage thread. My girl had the most amazing lips, which only my nipples could appreciate. After the massage, it was back to my hotel for lunch and a nap. I woke up feeling refreshed so I decided to head back to D1 and walk around. My first stop was Vincom Center. Some days, Vincom Center is packed with cute locals who are dying to meet western men. I've always been able to capitalize off my Asian heritage and nyc background. On this particular day, it was quiet and the best I could do is get a number from a coffee employee. I asked for the WiFi password, and then her number. I then walked towards HBT. It was daytime but strolling through this street brought back lots of memories. I walked past Renaissance Riverside hotel until I reached the ho tung mao area. I went straight to Voodoo for their happy hour. The bar was dead but the advantage of this is chit chatting with the bartenders when they arrive in their street clothes. One bartender got dressed and did her make-up right in front of me. Once her slutty transition was complete, she sat next to me and asked if we could do a shot together. I typically won't buy girls drinks but she promised the shot was intended for my enjoyment. My curiosity got the best of me so I agreed. She licked salt off my neck (and even sucked on my ear) before taking the shot and feeding it to me. I eventually ordered 5 more of these. By the time I realized I was drunk, we exchanged numbers and I headed back to my hotel. I was little angry at myself for getting drunk as I wanted to check out ladies night at Lush. I called it a night and decided to stop by Lush later in the week.
The next night I went to Boomerang, a restaurant / bar in District 7 which attracts plenty of locals. Eating dinner alone has its advantages as several waitresses stopped by to ask where I'm from etc. Once the flirting began, I started to feel "alive" so I called my voodoo girl. She kept insisting I meet her at voodoo but I really didn't feel like taking the 30 min cab downtown. We agreed to hang out the next day but it never happened. Oh well.
After two full days of business meetings, I was feeling lazy. I went to Blanchy's tash for a jack & coke which usually wakes me up but the crowd was dead. So I walked to Apocalypse. I don't know why but I feel like my trip isn't complete until I go here once. I always challenge myself to get one of the girls to come home with me for free, which seems to be an impossible task. After a few conversations and a couple expensive drinks, I started to feel energized so I headed to Lush. Over the years, I've become close with the employees so they put me at a nice table by the dance floor and I ordered my usual bottle of black. On this particular night, I didn't get a chance to game any locals as I spent hours playing rock / paper / scissor with the staff. I don't mind they drink out of my bottle since they're cute and I genuinely enjoy their company. Once the bar had closed, I met a girl outside who asked if I was interested in late night fun. So I hopped on her motorbike and she took me to a random street corner. Her idea of late night fun was street food LOL. But I can't complain. It felt adventurous and was by far the best pork & rice plate I've ever hard. Definitely better than any halal cart in NYC.
It was a quick 3 hour nap and then back to work. I began to feel like my last night in HCMC would be a total waste. I got drunk during dinner with co-workers and by the time I headed back to my hotel for a shower, I had suddenly fallen asleep. I woke up at 2:00 am and dragged myself out of bed. While brushing my teeth, I had to listen to 50 cent to help get in the mood. There was nowhere to go but Go2 Bar so I grabbed a beer from the mini fridge and hopped into a cab. The bar was packed and the crowd was alive. I met a girl named Vi and we danced and made out on the dance floor. I wasn't 100% sure if she was a working girl. But then I met her friends and I was sure LOL. Long story short, we went back to my hotel and snuck past the sleeping attendant at the front desk. There was no mention of money until she was getting dressed to leave. She asked for 2 M but all I had was 80 USD (which was still way too much). It was my last few hours in HCMC and I was drunk, so I agreed to give her the 80 in exchange for another BJ.
Overall, my time was limited but I created several new memories during my trip so I have no regrets. I plan to do a few things differently the next time I visit the land of motorbikes. Cheers! This thread is awesome!
Wendella,
I am indebted to you!
Many, many thanks!
Bill.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1715624]For your price range, ease of use and proximity, try hitting some of the girl bars. 13 LE Thanh Ton is one, there are one or two more on that stretch before reaching Thi Sach street. Smiley bar is near Apo, one block over going opposite direction from Hai Ba Trung. There's one on Thi Sach just near LE Thanh Ton. There's one on corner of Hai Ba Trung and Mac Thi Buoi street. Another at 29 Dong Khoi. They're all stocked with working girls, available for immediate takeout. And in the backpacker area, a short taxi ride away, thre are grungier versions of these bars, particularly in the area where Bui Vien and Do Quang Do street meet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CarlEarly;1723878]
I woke up early the next morning and went to minh tam 2 for a massage. I won't go much into detail as I plan on writing a separate review on the massage thread. My girl had the most amazing lips, which only my nipples could appreciate. After the massage, it was back to my hotel for lunch and a nap. I woke up feeling refreshed so I decided to head back to D1 and walk around. My first stop was Vincom Center. Some days, Vincom Center is packed with cute locals who are dying to meet western men. I've always been able to capitalize off my Asian heritage and nyc background. On this particular day, it was quiet and the best I could do is get a number from a coffee employee. I asked for the WiFi password, and then her number. I then walked towards HBT. It was daytime but strolling through this street brought back lots of memories. I walked past Renaissance Riverside hotel until I reached the ho tung mao area. I went straight to Voodoo for their happy hour. The bar was dead but the advantage of this is chit chatting with the bartenders when they arrive in their street clothes. One bartender got dressed and did her make-up right in front of me. Once her slutty transition was complete, she sat next to me and asked if we could do a shot together. I typically won't buy girls drinks but she promised the shot was intended for my enjoyment. My curiosity got the best of me so I agreed. She licked salt off my neck (and even sucked on my ear) before taking the shot and feeding it to me. I eventually ordered 5 more of these. By the time I realized I was drunk, we exchanged numbers and I headed back to my hotel. I was little angry at myself for getting drunk as I wanted to check out ladies night at Lush. I called it a night and decided to stop by Lush later in the week.
[/QUOTE]Damn man, if this was last week (5-12) you definitely missed a good ladies night at Lush. I was there with my friend and her 2 hot GFs. And there were wall to wall lookers. Including some girls that may have been FLs (I was with my girl so could not check).
I got the same vibe from Vincom, but I could not follow up as I was with my girl (again).
I had an awesome time with her and no regrets. But I'll definitely have to schedule some ME time next time I am in VN.
Stay horny my friend!
Uncle-V.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1724773]Damn man, if this was last week (5-12) you definitely missed a good ladies night at Lush. I was there with my friend and her 2 hot GFs. And there were wall to wall lookers. Including some girls that may have been FLs (I was with my girl so could not check).
I got the same vibe from Vincom, but I could not follow up as I was with my girl (again).
I had an awesome time with her and no regrets. But I'll definitely have to schedule some ME time next time I am in VN.
Stay horny my friend!
Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]5/12 is correct. They promoted the event as the "final ladies night" before renovations. I checked out the pics and it seemed to be a crazy night. Wish I was there!
[QUOTE=CarlEarly;1726930]5/12 is correct. They promoted the event as the "final ladies night" before renovations. I checked out the pics and it seemed to be a crazy night. Wish I was there![/QUOTE]Just curious, but are there FLs hang out at Lush? I was with my girl and could no gather intel on this issue.
The quality at Apoc Now was just dreadful IMHO.
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1727604]Just curious, but are there FLs hang out at Lush? I was with my girl and could no gather intel on this issue.
The quality at Apoc Now was just dreadful IMHO.[/QUOTE]I've had a few encounters with FLs at Lush. A couple years ago I went a little overboard with bottles. Long story short, I made friends with a bouncer to watch my back, and in exchange allowed him to drink freely from my table. I met a local girl but couldn't quite seal the deal. So I asked the bouncer to bring girls to the table to make her jealous but they were all FLs. Mostly 6's who kept coming back every 15 minutes. Very annoying. Last month, I saw a few FL's by the upstairs ledge. They tend to fly solo. They'll wait til around 1:00 am (when the crowd is drunk) and constantly stare at you.
Agreed. Apoc Now is absolutely horrible. I've heard people say some locals go there but it's 99.9% FLs. Several years ago, it was a great place to start the night. FL's would come through at 11 pm on the dot. By 11:45, I could find at least 3 girls I'd want to bang. I'd use them to warm up my game before hitting the clubs. And if my game was off night after night, I knew I could always go back to Apo as a worst case scenario. Now, you'll be lucky to find a 6 in the crowd.
On my last two trips, I planned to check out Chill Sky Bar but never made it. I've heard a lot of models hang out there. I'm sure plenty of FLs go there too but at least they're better looking than the typical bar scene. Any thoughts?
[QUOTE=CarlEarly;1728620]Agreed. Apoc Now is absolutely horrible. I've heard people say some locals go there but it's 99.9% FLs. Several years ago, it was a great place to start the night. FL's would come through at 11 pm on the dot. By 11:45, I could find at least 3 girls I'd want to bang. I'd use them to warm up my game before hitting the clubs. And if my game was off night after night, I knew I could always go back to Apo as a worst case scenario. Now, you'll be lucky to find a 6 in the crowd.
On my last two trips, I planned to check out Chill Sky Bar but never made it. I've heard a lot of models hang out there. I'm sure plenty of FLs go there too but at least they're better looking than the typical bar scene. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]The problem in Apo is the price they ask nowadays, IMO you can always find a real hottie in the crowd, but when they ask 200, 300usd or more, and they still think they are doing you a favor, it makes me crazy! The best deal around in Apo these days would be 100usd for 1 shot. 2 shots for this price would be fair if the girl has good attitude and service, but almost impossible to negotiate with most of them.
About Chill bar, absolutely not interesting, very Hi class and show off place, yes for sure you will see "models" kind of girls but they will be with rich locals already or you will have to show you are rich spending an insane amount of money for bottles etc. I think it doesn't worth it but if that's your thing and you can afford it then you can give it a try. Air 360 is a better option for sky bar with a nicer atmosphere, more reasonable prices and still nice girls around.
[QUOTE=CarlEarly;1728620]I've had a few encounters with FLs at Lush. A couple years ago I went a little overboard with bottles. Long story short, I made friends with a bouncer to watch my back, and in exchange allowed him to drink freely from my table. I met a local girl but couldn't quite seal the deal. So I asked the bouncer to bring girls to the table to make her jealous but they were all FLs. Mostly 6's who kept coming back every 15 minutes. Very annoying. Last month, I saw a few FL's by the upstairs ledge. They tend to fly solo. They'll wait til around 1:00 am (when the crowd is drunk) and constantly stare at you.
Agreed. Apoc Now is absolutely horrible. I've heard people say some locals go there but it's 99.9% FLs. Several years ago, it was a great place to start the night. FL's would come through at 11 pm on the dot. By 11:45, I could find at least 3 girls I'd want to bang. I'd use them to warm up my game before hitting the clubs. And if my game was off night after night, I knew I could always go back to Apo as a worst case scenario. Now, you'll be lucky to find a 6 in the crowd.
On my last two trips, I planned to check out Chill Sky Bar but never made it. I've heard a lot of models hang out there. I'm sure plenty of FLs go there too but at least they're better looking than the typical bar scene. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Thanks Carl for your input.
Like I said earlier, I spent most of my trip hanging out with the two Viet girls I met in Singapore and Shanghai. Only had one night alone, which I wasted by going to Apocalypse (I was pretty tired anyway form shagging my babes and really just wanted to take a look at what it was like).
We never made it to Chill Skybar. The one night we wanted to go it was raining pretty hard and It didn't make much sense to check go if there was no view to be enjoyed.
All in all I really like VN. Food, people and the communist / colonial ambiance are amazing. But I didn't' really get a chance to check out the scene as my girls kept me happily busy.
Hey guys,
Wanted to see if anyone here could offer me any help.
I am a Vietnamese american and visit Vietnam once a year to visit some family, but some days I sneak out and try to have some fun.
Some of the most fun I have is going to the Karaoke bars where I I can call girls to come sit with me.
Before I would normally ask the taxi guys if they knew of any hot spots with cute girls and usually at least one or two knew.
However nowadays it seems that no one knows anymore, If anyone knows of any good recommendations for karaoke joints with cute girls, please help a brother out!
Thank you!
I was driving around in the area where so many of the girl bars, the ones we used to call HBT bars back when there was more than one on that street (I think there were 6 or 7 once).
Down at the start of LE Thanh Ton street there was one bar there that was around for a very long time, since probably 2005 or so, called Bin Bin. Recently it had changed its name to something like Moon Night. It was usually one of the best of these kinds of bars, with only 91 HBT being better, at least in terms of your chances of finding hot young girls. Anyway, this place looks like it's closed. Sometimes they get shut down for a while and reopen, so maybe that will happen this time. But the way things have gone the last year or 2, my guess is that it's a goner.
It seems like these bars have lost all their mojo the last few years, with all the police closings. Now the wechat and zalo girls seem to be the #1 way people connect with girls of this type, and that's kind of a pity because that's a purely wham-bam-thankyou-maam type experience, and there's no warm-up time with the girl, which is a huge part of the thrill for some of us. What's more, with the app girls, the pictures you see don't even look much like the girl you meet, so it's just a crap deal for the consumer. And from what I hear, the prices are the same or more than what the girls in the bars were going for.
Bin Bin / Moon Night was the last of these bars where you could go in and have a good chance of connecting with a young hot girl. Maybe those days are over.
I've checked out those other bars. They're mostly small and with mostly ones who really should be retired by now (too old) or else shouldn't be in this line of work (not cute enough). If there's a cute one, it's a surprise. That's no good, you can't go hit all these bars in a night in the unlikely hope you'll run into one hot one eventually in the 3rd or 4th bar you go to.
I haven't been inside these kinds of bars in months, so if anyone has good current info, it'd be good to hear. Maybe there's some bar I don't know about that's blossomed with hot young things recently due to the demise of 91 and Bin Bin.
First of all, many thanks to Wandella for his contributions to the sport in Saigon! Especially the guidance posted 05 Mar 15 and subsequent post yesterday (01 Aug) for which I received with assurance and sadness. . and you know what they say, 'Everything after Bangkok is a disappointment' - I thought I had just been spoilt and lost the mongering touch!
The bars are indeed a disappointment if one wants a quick and assured takeaway. Saigon is not that place (except for Apocalypse Now). It looks as though the girls in bars such as '5', 'The Office', 'Voodoo' are students (with a few sweeties) and 'rinsers' (London term for rinsing the cash out of your wallet) where one would have to invest the time and energy to establish a 'relationship' before any pink is availed.
Apolypse Now always has a few diamonds in the rough. I frequent every weekend and see the same-same faces, a few new faces and the usual entourage of 'hippo-crock-pig' expats and grungy backpacker things. Even the prettier Vietnamese girls, the diamonds in the rough, who have exploited my male weaker side (ie. Accompanied me in the past and allowed me to continue with my addiction to the game!) seem to come back for more. Even staking claim to me being 'their customer' and friend and getting a little spikey when I turn them down in favour of a new girl. The diamonds are pushing the envelope and ask for $200! A few, the real lookers, when compared to the other markets (Abu Dhabi, London) are certainly worth it. But, you can see the trend. The asking price is being pushed up due to 'supply and demand' as there are only a handful of real winners and far too many 'also rans'. Even some of the 'also rans' are trying it on for $200! Except for the real lookers, the also rans are usually gratefully the $100 offered after a little huffing and puffing.
How I wish I had visited Saigon when there were the bars Wandella alluded to in his posts. Ah well, it is what it is!
CTFO (Carry the f*ck on!
Bill.
I wasn't surprised to see this thread start to lose activity. Afterall, the bars in Saigon aren't quite what they used to be. But still, I hoped times would suddenly change in our favor. The magical day someone posts 91 has re-opened! Sadly I don't see that happening but a man can still dream.
Wendella summed it up for me with the "warm-up". There's something about going to a familiar bar, ordering a drink, and anticipating the attention from multiple girls. Whether this attention is genuinely warm (usually followed by lots of touching and kissing) or business-like, you still walked into the bar knowing you had options. And soon, that option would be decided based on which girl convincingly seduces you right there in the bar. Some may argue Apocalypse Now has a plethora of tits, asses, holes, etc. But I personally seek a little more "connection" via instant attraction, which I haven't found at Apo in years. While I've seen one or two gems at Apo, the ratio wasn't favorable enough for me to continue going there, especially when bars like 91 were booming.
Today, it seems like you need lots of cash to even get in the mood to step into a bar and expect a "good time". But I find this challenging, in a positive way. The HBT scene made me somewhat lazy and I knew I had to fix my mentality or else I would start to loathe this city. I once met a girl at Apo around 12 am. It was too early in the night to "pick her" but she was attractive enough to game. Once eye contact was established, I walked towards her. She asked me the generic questions: where I'm from, where I'm staying, are you here on business or holiday, etc. She then mentions money before her name. I immediately go cold on her and begin shifting my attention to other girls. I wasn't trying to make her jealous. I was trying to show her I'm a fun guy and I just lost interest in her. In doing so, I hoped she would slowly become attracted to me. I played random drinking games with a few girls and tossed around a few lame jokes just to get a laugh. Every once in a while I looked over to see if she was watching. On any other night, I would've been drunk in an hour and probably give in to her initial offer. But on this particular night, I was short on cash which luckily affected my drinking habits. I was sober enough to gauge her reaction and every once in a while, even throw a smile or wink in her direction. Naturally, she flirted with other customers but at some point, she would eventually realize she was either going home alone or have a second chance with me. Shortly after, I stood across from her at a table and waited for her to strike up a conversation. She looks in my direction and laughs, but doesn't say a word. I stand firm and wait for her to earn my attention. She makes a pouty gesture with her lips which I thought was cute. Then she starts talking money again. Once a hoe always a hoe. I respond with "I only have half that amount, I'm leaving right now. Meet me outside". I've tried this many times. When it failed, I simply got in a cab and went to a different bar. But this time it worked. And in the cab ride, she let me play with her tits which brought back lots of memories of HBT, particularly 35, 49, and 51.
(In my best dos equis commercial voice). Stay positive my friends.
I receive a message form a girl that working in the bar. She was telling me now there is only 5 bars with hostess in HCM.
Does anyone able to list this 5 Basr? I am coming to HCM next week. I would like to visit his 5 bar and do a comparison.
[QUOTE=DownUnderKeith;1762865]Does anyone able to list this 5 Basr? I am coming to HCM next week. I would like to visit his 5 bar and do a comparison.[/QUOTE]29 Bar on Dong Khoi.
Thien Loc on corner of Hai Ba Truong and Mac Dinh Chi.
Smiley Bar up the street from Apocalypse Now on Thai Van Lung street.
Coconut Bar on Thi Sach near LE Thanh Ton.
There's one that used to be called Little Princess or something like this on Nguyen Sieu near HBT.
I think there's one more still on LE Thanh Ton just before you get to Thai Van Lung.
Go tell your girl there are six, not five.
Just remembered there's one more, on Dong Du street on the same side as the Starbucks.
Seven.
None are much good though.
[QUOTE=DownUnderKeith;1762865]I receive a message form a girl that working in the bar. She was telling me now there is only 5 bars with hostess in HCM.
Does anyone able to list this 5 Basr? I am coming to HCM next week. I would like to visit his 5 bar and do a comparison.[/QUOTE]I went around that area last night. The bar on Dong Du is gone, it is being gutted now. No big loss there.
In the spot where 49 Bar was before, there is now a new "lady bar" called Lounge The High. Strange name, I know. Inside, the place looks fresh and classier than most of the old HBT bars were, but the girls sure did not. Definitely the older and less attractive type at this place, some faces that seemed familiar from bars from days gone by. Also the young bartender was previously the bartender at 91, and I think at Thien Loc before that. And she's not "available". The place looks very new, and so there's hope yet, if they get some new girls in.
Across the street and down an alley was another brand new bar called "Ly Ly", and it's similar to Lounge the High where it's brand new and with some older veteran girls working there. They told me they would be getting new girls in next week.
I looked in at a few other places, including Thien Loc, 29 Dong Khoi and Smile Bar, and none of them looked like they had any young attractive ones. Sometimes when bars close, girls shift to the new ones and you can see nice ones in some formerly bad bars. Not this time. All bad, so far.
I was told by one girl that the bar formerly known as Bin Bin is "gone forever".
I found this place a couple years ago and have been back a couple times whenever I visit HCMC. I'm on this board doing research for my current Taiwan trip but since I'll be in HCMC in a couple days I decided to write this post since I never see any mention of it on here. The last time I was there was last year so I'm doing this by memory and I don't remember the exact prices. Basically on the second floor of the Vien Dong Hotel on PNL there's a spa that gives HJ. I think it was 200 k-300 k for an hour massage but don't quote me on it. I usually tip around the same price as the massage. I've never seen foreigners in here so I'm not sure if it's a local only place. I do all my communications here in Vietnamese.
Basically, when you go up to the second floor the receptionist table is right there. Usually they'll try to sell you the VIP room which includes a shower, sauna, and TV in the room. I've gotten the VIP room a couple times and tried to ask the girl if there was any "extra" in the VIP room but so far I've only gotten the answer that it just includes the shower, sauna, etc. If you don't get the VIP room they'll lead you to a locker room where you undress and put your close in, there's also a plastic bag where you can put your phone and wallet in to take with you, you'll also take the locker key with you. While in the locker room the helper guy will ask you if you're looking for a specific number or if you don't have a number then he'll ask you what kind of girl you want. Next you'll head to the shower area which has curtains, there's also a jacuzzi I think. The next part is a little fuzzy for me since I got the VIP room the last couple times but I think near the shower area there will be a guy that hands you your shorts and robe. After that you'll be lead to your room some how, sorry I forgot the exact details here. Next part is typical, the girl comes in and gives you a massage then finish you off with a HJ.
I usually like coming here because of the convenient location and every girl I've gotten so far have been pretty cute. I usually get the girl's number and text her the next time I want to come to make sure she's available. The last time I was there I was able to talk the girl into agreeing to come to my hotel and stay the night for $200. She was pretty hot so I just threw a number at her to see if she agreed. However, to spend the night she had to ask time off of work and the only day she could do it that week was Friday night. Originally, that this was okay because I thought I was flying out Sunday morning but it turned out I was flying out Saturday morning so I had to cancel the appointment. I was hoping to hit her up again this coming trip but my phone got reset so I lost all my text messages so I don't know who's number is who among my contacts from that place.
[QUOTE=Vodich;1771543]I found this place a couple years ago and have been back a couple times whenever I visit HCMC. I'm on this board doing research for my current Taiwan trip but since I'll be in HCMC in a couple days I decided to write this post since I never see any mention of it on here. The last time I was there was last year so I'm doing this by memory and I don't remember the exact prices. Basically on the second floor of the Vien Dong Hotel on PNL there's a spa that gives HJ. I think it was 200 k-300 k for an hour massage but don't quote me on it. I usually tip around the same price as the massage. I've never seen foreigners in here so I'm not sure if it's a local only place. I do all my communications here in Vietnamese.
[/QUOTE]Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread. Is there a way to move it?
[QUOTE=Vodich;1771543]I found this place a couple years ago and have been back a couple times whenever I visit HCMC. I'm on this board doing research for my current Taiwan trip but since I'll be in HCMC in a couple days I decided to write this post since I never see any mention of it on here. The last time I was there was last year so I'm doing this by memory and I don't remember the exact prices. Basically on the second floor of the Vien Dong Hotel on PNL there's a spa that gives HJ. I think it was 200 k-300 k for an hour massage but don't quote me on it. I usually tip around the same price as the massage. I've never seen foreigners in here so I'm not sure if it's a local only place. I do all my communications here in Vietnamese.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I realize there are reports of Vien Dong, I just searched in the wrong thread.
[QUOTE=Vodich;1771820]Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread. Is there a way to move it?[/QUOTE]It's too late to delete your post. Maybe you can click "report this post" to the admin and ask him to move it?
Or just copy and paste your long report here and re-post it to Massage thread.
Either way it's not that big a deal. I wouldn't worry about it.
Last week I went to have a look at the remaining bars in district 1.
The most promising one was called Ly Ly, it's in an alley off of Hai Ba Trung kind of near the Indian restaurant over there (Ganesh). Actually the girls were not good. The owners are the sisters who used to own Two Sisters bar. That one was actually very good right before it was shut down, with a few hot young things in there, and a good attitude in the bar, you could really have some sleazy fun right there before heading off to a hotel with her. One of the sister owners asked me to let people know about their bar, and she said next week they will get new girls in. I guess she realizes that her current group is not very good. If her promise comes true, then it could be a good place. But if the talent doesn't pick up, then I think this place and the rest are doomed.
I went into the Lounge bar that is where Bar 49 used to be. It was similar with about 7 girls, none attractive. Not girls, because they all seemed to be 30's or so, or late 20's at the youngest.
It makes me wonder if the police told them they could stay open only if they don't get attractive girls to work there.
As my title indicates, my thoughts on Apocalypse Now differ radically from the prevailing opinion usually expressed here: I absolutely love the place. I've been to Saigon maybe a half dozen times over the past three years, and I've hit Apocalypse on each occasion, never being disappointed (save on longer trips, when after a few nights you start to recognize the same faces over and over again).
Since I haven't seen much written about it lately except a few cursory disparaging reviews, I thought I'd give a quick overview for any newbs or tourists who might be in town and looking to check it out. First things first, prices / particulars: beers aren't as cheap as other places, but neither are they ridiculously expensive, and if you're budget conscious you probably don't want to be shopping here anyway - plenty of cheaper options as everyone knows. Coronas are at the top of the scale at (I think) 135 k, for half that you can get Tiger in a can, and I think there is something local even cheaper at 55 k. I don't know about booze because I don't drink hard liquor when I'm out and about. There is also a cover charge of around 100 k or on weekends, which is partially refundable on a drink coupon. The universal price for a girl is 2 MM, plus hotel if you don't already have one (exceptions are possible, more on that later). There is no "long time" or "short time", or rather, if a girl asks you that question I suggest you move along to the next girl who strikes your fancy. It should be 2 MM overnight, and BRING CONDOMS; the girls don't have them. The short time hotels probably do have them available for purchase but not always. And regarding hotels (for the newbs), as is well-documented elsewhere in the Vietnam forum, your 5-star Western hotel will absolutely not allow girls in after 9 pm, so plan accordingly by either staying at a small local GF hotel or being ready to pay for a short-time hotel, which runs anywhere from 300-600 k for late-night until morning.
Now, on to the layout and the scene. Although the bar opens early, it doesn't pick up with a good crowd until 11 or midnight. That always works out perfectly for me as it give me time for dinner and drinks with my local friends, which give way to fake yawns and complaints of jet-lag around 10 PM. =P Then it's a dash back to my hotel to freshen up and get ready for game time. When you walk in there are always a couple larger tables occupied by groups of 6-8 girls, usually with a bottle or two in the middle. They're on the left, closer to the stage but parallel to the bar (so, not all the way up in front of the DJ). I like to call these the Hardcore Girls as they're there every single night, they tend to leave in a pack together, and I've never seen any of them go with a guy, so don't waste your time. I've chatted up a few myself on a couple occasions, but never got anywhere. I really don't understand why they're there if they're not working, who knows. Anyway avoid them. Focus instead on the girls at the smaller tables nearer the door. They're all working, though they also tend to be semi-regulars. Nothing wrong with that, and I've taken a few of them out for wonderful experiences.
There are two more contingents of girls where I tend to focus my energy though. First is the solo or pairs of girls standing near the walkway between the two bars, or at the ends of the bars nearest those walkways. I may be just over analyzing (as you can probably tell, I've spent A LOT of time in this bar! But those girls tend to be non-pro or just part-time, non-local girls (often from Hanoi) in Saigon for a few weeks to work and pick up some extra cash. They don't know anyone except maybe the friend or two they're travelling with, so they generally won't be drinking at a table with a bottle or a bunch of food and a small crowd of girls. They come to HCMC because nobody knows them and I don't think there's much opportunity for this type of side-work in Hanoi. I've met two extremely memorable ladies from that segment of the population, one of whom still sends me WhatsApp messages once a year or so when she's going to Saigon. You've got to pick and choose carefully, but generally these girls are rich with potential.
There is one more rare and elusive creature to keep an eye out for. The local true part-timer / non-working girl. I've met a few of these unicorns, and they can be the most fun just because the hunt is more fun. They'll show up very late on Friday or Saturday (after midnight, or even later), usually solo, and they'll hang out at the bar nearer to the DJ (right across from the tables of Hardcore Girls). They tend to be well-under the radar (no short skirts, no low-cut tops), and they're elusive. I've often blinked and missed them, but if you can find one, enjoy. I met one such girl when I was in town earlier this year, and have been thinking about her ever since, but I couldn't get in touch with her this time. I did see a friend of hers one evening (a friend who, incidentally joined us in a threesome last trip! Who told me my unicorn was in Myanmar, so I guess that's why I couldn't reach her on her VN phone # or via WhatsApp. BTW the friend was beautiful but a bit of a cold fish, so despite the prior threesome I had no interest in rekindling anything with her.
A couple final tips: not every girl here is working, so don't assume you can pick up anyone. There always seem to be some local couples / groups, and they're usually up near the DJ. I suspect it's entirely possible to infiltrate and pick off a 5th wheel from these groups, because they all know what goes on at this bar, but you probably want to be discreet about it to avoid any trouble. Also don't bother going upstairs, I don't even know why they open it. Or, maybe, do bother if you're looking to pick off that 5th wheel, because it seems to be just locals up there.
And don't disparage if the next thing you know, it's 2 or 3 AM, the bar is clearing out, and you haven't found your sweetheart. Go2 Bar isn't far away and it's open until dawn. In fact, there's a good chance you'll see some familiar faces as some of the regulars from Apocalypse head there later. I'll leave that for Part 2 .
OK, so it's 2 or 3 AM and the crowd at Apocalypse has thinned out; even the Hardcore Girls have left en masse for god only knows wherever they all go. You spent too much time chatting up too many girls, unable to make a decision, and now you're drunk and horny. What's a fellow to do? My honest advice is to go back to your hotel and get a good night's rest. But of course we all know that's not going to happen (not if you're me, anyway). Your 2nd best option then is Go2 Bar. It's in what's known as the backpacker's district, not far from Apocalypse. A taxi will cost you maybe 20 or 30 k, and the drivers will all know the bar by name.
I'll start by admitting I have very mixed feelings about this bar, though as I've been thinking about writing Part 2 of my report, I don't really fully understand why because I've had fantastic success here. But there's just something about the bar I viscerally dislike. Frankly, it's a shithole. It's small, loud, the music is terrible, and it's usually full of sloppy drunken white hippies in flip flops and dirty t-shirts. Pretty much the exact opposite of Apocalypse Now. But when it's late at night and you're still on the hunt it's a good bet, at least on weekends. I seem to recall having been in here once or twice pretty late on a weeknight and it was dead, although one of those times I met a lovely girl and had a great evening with her, so I guess it doesn't hurt to take your chances even if it's a random Tuesday or Wednesday.
As I mentioned in Part 1, you very well may see a few familiar faces here as some of the girls from Apocalypse migrate over later in the evening. But you'll also see some fresh new faces. I'm not completely sure but I have a hunch that Apocalypse screens the girls they allow in, plus I'm pretty sure they charge them some kind of back door "cover charge", so I think that keeps some girls away. The two girls I recall picking up from Go2 Bar over the years were both very cute, stylishly dressed, etc. , BUT. Both had pretty minimal English, so I wonder if that might also be part of the Apocalypse screening criteria. I've never met a girl in Apocalypse whose English wasn't excellent (relatively speaking), so I do think that has something to do with it. Regardless the girls I've met at Go2 Bar weren't zero English speakers, so communication wasn't a problem. "You like me?" "We go?" "You have condom?" is about all they need anyway!
I met one such girl on my recent trip, after striking out at Apocalypse. Actually I *thought* I had struck gold at Apocalypse, with a lovely young hottie who I had never seen before. We spent an hour or so chatting and drinking, and then she asked me if I wanted to go to a karaoke bar in the backpacker district. I joined her, and it turns out her friend is a waitress there, and the bar was dead, and it wasn't going anywhere with her, so I made my excuses and left for Go2 Bar. I'm still not sure if she was just stringing me along, but it was late and I decided to cut my losses. At Go2 Bar I didn't really do much surveillance before I was caught up with a very cute little spinner named Linh. One problem with the place is that it's so small, it can be tough to really get a good overview of the available ladies when it's crowded. The bar is probably 75%+ dirty hippies dancing and drinking, and the working girls usually congregate on the outskirts of the dance floor (which is 90% of the bar). My spinner was at a table near the door, so that's pretty much as far as I got.
I'm not much of a kiss and tell guy, so I'll leave out the gory details of my time with her. I was pretty drunk so after a half hour or so at the short time hotel, I realized the end wasn't, *ahem*, coming, so we slept for an hour or two and the next thing I knew it was light outside. We left the hotel, she asked if I was hungry, and of course I was so she took me to a nearby pho restaurant for breakfast. After that we went back to my hotel for more sleep and since it was after 7 AM, she could officially "visit" after dropping her ID off at the front desk. A few more hours sleep, another round of good sex and the long awaiting successful finish, and I sent her on her way around noon. In retrospect I should have asked her to stay as she was a very enthusiastic and lovely girl between the sheets, but I felt I needed some solid solo sleep. I should point out that at no time had there been any discussion of money, neither the night before nor during breakfast nor during our time at my hotel. That's one really nice thing about a LOT of girls I've met at both Apocalypse and Go2 Bar. We all know we're paying for it, but it's nice when the girl trusts you and doesn't obsess about it. I'the say most of the girls I've met in Saigon are like that, but definitely not all of them. Stay tuned for more on that in Part 3.
Except for my Go2 Bar spinner, I haven't really given much of a detailed "trip report", so let me finish up by doing just that. Thanks to work and other commitments, I only had the pleasure of spending time with three girls: Linh the spinner plus two girls from Apocalypse.
The first Apocalypse girl, Kim, was definitely one of the unicorns I always look for. She's a local girl, not a regular, and I've never seen her before in Apocalypse (nor did I see her again after the night I met her). I almost missed her as she showed up pretty late and I just happened to bump into her at the bar when I was refilling my empty Corona hand. We retired to the back / outside area to chat a bit, then headed out. She took me to her apartment (so no hotel fee) and again no mention of money at all. A good time was had, and after just a couple hours of sleep I was awakened by the early morning noises from the apartment building: yapping dogs, creaking pipes, slamming doors, etc. I decided to just head back to my hotel so I could get some sleep, and I quickly got her phone # but either I entered it into my phone wrong, or she wasn't interested in hanging out again because try as I might I couldn't reach her for the rest of my stay. I was disappointed because she was very pretty, and a fun girl in bed. I left her 2 MM on the coffee table as I was heading out.
I believe I met Kim on a Friday evening, and the next night I had similar luck. Well, maybe; I'm still not sure how I feel about Vyy. She was another outlier at Apocalypse. Not a regular, showed up alone and late, and wow. She was a strikingly beautiful girl. We clicked right away, and after a couple drinks and a bit of getting to know each other, we headed back to a hotel where her friend had a room. The friend was out somewhere, so she let us use the room for a couple hours. It was exhausting, crazy hot sex. Really outstanding. Vyy was completely up-front with me from the beginning: she works the "circuit" between Shanghai (Manhattan Bar) and Singapore (Brix), and occasionally Hong Kong (though she said it's harder for some reason to get a HKG visa these days.) She had just arrived back home from Shanghai to renew her visa. She said she almost never goes to Apocalypse when she's in Saigon but was feeling horny so. Just my luck! After our quick romp I gave her 2 MM, and we exchanged numbers.
She had plans to spend a day / night in Thailand with a friend the next day, but she asked if we could get together when she returned. I said sure, but didn't really expect it. But, she was serious and stayed in touch. When she came back, I thought it would be nice to have a proper "date" so we had a nice dinner, then some drinks at one of the many sky bars around town, and finally migrated to another bar somewhere around Apocalypse. And that's where things went south; she started asking me if I wanted long time or short time that evening which, to me, was just in poor taste considering I'the just spent maybe $100 USD on dinner and drinks. I didn't tell her that, but I did tell her that I wasn't expecting free sex later and that I would of course pay her, but she kept insisting long or short, 2 MM or 3 MM? I got fed up and sent her home, then headed to Apocalypse for greener pastures. But wouldn't you know it an hour later my phone starts blowing up with "I miss you baby" and "I'm horny come over" messages, so my little head got the better of me and I acquiesced. She even told me she had a hotel room, which sounded great because it was one less expense for me (or so I thought). Of course when we left the next morning she stood there at the front desk waiting for me to pay for the room. So, overall, while she was gorgeous, and the sex was outstanding, she left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I guess I should have known better. She's one of those mercenary working girls who just want to squeeze every dime from gentleman like us, but she hides it pretty well. At least she was fantastic in the sack, so it wasn't a total wash for me. But I should have listened to my spidey sense when I sent her away and just ignored her when she messaged me later.
A couple final thoughts. There was a recent thread where I think someone said he could barely find a 7 in Apocalypse, and all I can say is wow, maybe I have low standards! I'm a pretty hard grader myself, but that statement just seems silly. I think 7 is an easy grab, they're a dime a dozen. 8's and 9's are fewer but they're still there, and I did even see one girl I'd grade even higher. That's what I love so much about Apocalypse. The quality of the girls is very high in my opinion. Weekends obviously are much better, but even on slow weeknights there are plenty of very attractive ladies. And to pre-empt the inevitable comparison to the billiard bars of yore (and the few that still remain), I've been in a few of those bars in D1 (my first trip to Saigon was several years ago when there were still at least 2 or 3 within spitting distance from Apocalypse. Gone now, of course). All I can say is: there's no comparison. Not to demean anyone's preferences, but the girls I've seen in those places are farm girls in cheap cocktail dresses. The girls in Apocalypse are prettier, classier, better dressed, speak better English, and they don't constantly pester you for lady drinks. Just my $0. 02, coming from someone whose favorite place in the world is a working girl pickup bar.
Anyway happy hunting, gents. I hope I can get back to HCMC and Apocalypse Now sooner than later!.
Back in 2012, I visited a bar called Lodge Bui down towards the end of 39/2 Pham Ngoc Thach. Would anyone know if this place is still open and if the girls hanging out there are just regular girls or freelancers?
It seemed like a decent place to hang out. Live band and pool table upstairs. Saw a few bargirls hanging out back then, but never had a chance to chat them up (was with my Ex at the time).
Cheers,
F2.
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1794415]As my title indicates, my thoughts on Apocalypse Now differ radically from the prevailing opinion usually expressed here: I absolutely love the place. I've been to Saigon maybe a half dozen times over the past three years, and I've hit Apocalypse on each occasion, never being disappointed (save on longer trips, when after a few nights you start to recognize the same faces over and over again).[/QUOTE]I think you mentioned in one of your Parts that girls in Apocalypse looked better to you than ones in the HBT bars. I haven't stepped inside Apocalypse in years, so it is possible that quality has improved a lot since when I used to go there sometimes. And for sure the HBT bars these days are in a dreadful state, not really worth visiting actually. Those bars went through a series of serious clampdowns a couple years ago, with people being put in prison even. The bars mostly closed down, with just a few remaining open, and those with far lesser talent than in years past. They are basically stocked with girls (ok, ladies) who should be retired from that career path by now. One guy posted here a while ago about a new bar called Ly Ly on HBT, also another one there. I stopped in at both. Dismal. He seemed hopeful. I see no reason to hope. I checked in at every one of the bars down there over a couple nights. Not ONE young hot one in any bar.
In the past, there was one bar for sure that had hotter better girls than Apocalypse (at the time), it was called 91. It almost always had at least one or 2 superstar girls, and the rest looked pretty damn good too. The tradeoff was that it was tamer than other bars, not much chance you'd be doing any fingering or french-kissing there. There was a bar on LE Thanh Ton called Bin Bin that also often had hotties, just not in abundance like 91.49 and 51 were also often pretty good.
I ended up one of those nights at 29 on Dong Khoi. I spotted a non-familiar face, slim girl with dark skin. Apparently her first night there but this girl clearly had experience. She said she was 18 but there's no way she was that young. Spoke zero English. She got aggressive once we embraced, had this way of kind of growling something in muttered Vietnamese as she did her thing, kind of animalistic. Things got well out of control right there at a downstairs table. My belt ended up hanging down from my pants somehow. Al kinds of things got touched, by both of us. Some DFK but not all out. I think they padded an extra lady drink (80) onto the bill, which came to 450 or so. I tried tipping her 300 but she was not pleased, so it was 400. That's too much for non-FS and non-BJ, I would say. Anyway, I did see 2 girls (her being one of them) who most guys would be ok with for this kind of thing, or even the upstairs kind of thing. The rest looked like the ones from the other bars, not good. I lucked out in a way because soon after arriving and settling in with this girl, a group of Koreans came in and went straight upstairs, which I was told was for FS or BJ only. (It didn't used to be that way there) So me and my girl were not allowed to go upstairs till they finished, so it meant she needed to do something else to keep me entertained. Fine by me because I wasn't into spending extra large on FS or BJ there.
So if you like the tiger type, there's a pretty good one at 29 now.
[QUOTE=FoxTwo;1797324]Back in 2012, I visited a bar called Lodge Bui down towards the end of 39/2 Pham Ngoc Thach. Would anyone know if this place is still open and if the girls hanging out there are just regular girls or freelancers?
It seemed like a decent place to hang out. Live band and pool table upstairs. Saw a few bargirls hanging out back then, but never had a chance to chat them up (was with my Ex at the time).
Cheers,
F2[/QUOTE]Bui bar closed about 6 months ago. These girls where neither just hanging out nor freelancers. They were "hostesses". You can get friendly with them by going to the bar a few times, tip them, and get their number to see them after work. But that whole process has always looked pointless to me. You either make an effort and get a free girl, or pay and get a WG, but making an effort to chase a girl who's job it is to sit on your lap for tips. ? Pointless.
They did always have a nice Pilipino band, not sure where they went.
[QUOTE=JD468;1798169]Bui bar closed about 6 months ago...
They did always have a nice Pilipino band, not sure where they went.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a setup similar to the hostess bars on Soi 33 in BKK (with less success rate). Agreed about the band.
Thanks for the heads up. Saved me a trip over there. I appreciate it.
Cheers,
F2.
Its been a long time. I've been sticking with my regular girls and the Hot Tocs. My regulars like me and one hot toc girl has been serving me well for over 3 years.
The GF thing was making me happy for a while but then I got tired of them. I wanted to fuck a new face. I walked over to BV and found a PYT straight from the village.
She was so new that in the hotel she DIDN'T take a shower. LOL she pulled me to the bed and we kissed long and deep. Very nice. She couldn't BJ well, so that was out.
I fucked her. She didn't want doggie because she was worried about anal. At least that's what I think from her body language. Mish was fine, but she cringed a lot and pushed back.
I basically took this girl because of the fantasy like a virgin. She was really new, like one week according to the boss and her "sister. " Her sister is Thao, whom I also fucked before, so I figured Thao recruited her. Anyway, it wasn't bad. The kissing and holding and her face oh man her face when I was pounding that tiny thing was priceless. It felt good too.
I'll spill the damage, but I don't want to hear anything about price because I've lived here for 4 years now, and I don't P4 P very often. Like I said, I've got 3 girlfriends who want to meet me all the time, and my hot toc girl gives me porn star service, but I was in the mood so I dished out 1. 5 mil, plus ST hotel 150 and 600 on drinks. Moreover, it was safe. No internet, wechat bullshit. So there it is. Here is after the fuck, no makeup, frizzed out hair. Totally worked over and still so so cute. OMG.
Its been a long time. I've been sticking with my regular girls and the Hot Tocs. My regulars like me and one hot toc girl has been serving me well for over 3 years.
The GF thing was making me happy for a while but then I got tired of them. I wanted to fuck a new face. I walked over to BV and found a PYT straight from the village.
She was so new that in the hotel she DIDN'T take a shower. LOL she pulled me to the bed and we kissed long and deep. Very nice. She couldn't BJ well, so that was out.
I fucked her. She didn't want doggie because she was worried about anal. At least that's what I think from her body language. Mish was fine, but she cringed a lot and pushed back.
I basically took this girl because of the fantasy like a virgin. She was really new, like one week according to the boss and her "sister. " Her sister is Thao, whom I also fucked before, so I figured Thao recruited her. Anyway, it wasn't bad. The kissing and holding and her face oh man her face when I was pounding that tiny thing was priceless. It felt good too.
I'll spill the damage, but I don't want to hear anything about price because I've lived here for 4 years now, and I don't P4 P very often. Like I said, I've got 3 girlfriends who want to meet me all the time, and my hot toc girl gives me porn star service, but I was in the mood so I dished out 1. 5 mil, plus ST hotel 150 and 600 on drinks. Moreover, it was safe. No internet, wechat bullshit. So there it is. Here is after the fuck, no makeup, frizzed out hair. Totally worked over and still so so cute. OMG.
Well Its been a long time. I've been sticking with my regular girls and the Hot Tocs. My regulars like me and one hot toc girl has been serving me well for over 3 years.
And The GF thing was making me happy for a while but then I got tired of them. I wanted to fuck a new face. I walked over to BV and found a PYT straight from the village.
Man She was so new that in the hotel she DIDN'T take a shower. LOL she pulled me to the bed and we kissed long and deep. Very nice. She couldn't BJ well, so that was out.
I fucked her. She didn't want doggie because she was worried about anal. At least that's what I think from her body language. Mish was fine, but she cringed a lot and pushed back.
I basically took this girl because of the fantasy like a virgin. She was really new, like one week according to the boss and her "sister. " Her sister is Thao, whom I also fucked before, so I figured Thao recruited her. Anyway, it wasn't bad. The kissing and holding and her face oh man her face when I was pounding that tiny thing was priceless. It felt good too.
I'll spill the damage, but I don't want to hear anything about price because I've lived here for 4 years now, and I don't P4 P very often. Like I said, I've got 3 girlfriends who want to meet me all the time, and my hot toc girl gives me porn star service, but I was in the mood so I dished out 1. 5 mil, plus ST hotel 150 and 600 on drinks. Moreover, it was safe. No internet, wechat bullshit. So there it is. Here is after the fuck, no makeup, frizzed out hair. Totally worked over and still so so cute. OMG.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1766389]In the spot where 49 Bar was before, there is now a new "lady bar" called Lounge The High. Strange name, I know. Inside, the place looks fresh and classier than most of the old HBT bars were, but the girls sure did not. Definitely the older and less attractive type at this place, some faces that seemed familiar from bars from days gone by. Also the young bartender was previously the bartender at 91, and I think at Thien Loc before that. And she's not "available". The place looks very new, and so there's hope yet, if they get some new girls in.
Across the street and down an alley was another brand new bar called "Ly Ly", and it's similar to Lounge the High where it's brand new and with some older veteran girls working there. They told me they would be getting new girls in next week.
I looked in at a few other places, including Thien Loc, 29 Dong Khoi and Smile Bar, and none of them looked like they had any young attractive ones. Sometimes when bars close, girls shift to the new ones and you can see nice ones in some formerly bad bars. Not this time. All bad, so far.[/QUOTE]How much where they charging?
[QUOTE=James02;1805109]How much where they charging?[/QUOTE]I never got that far. I would only ask that if I was with a girl I was interested in. That did not seem possible in ANY of these bars. Seriously, D.ones on Bui Vien and Do Quang Do are much cuter and younger than these. I don't see how these places can possibly bounce back again.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1805120]Seriously, D.ones on Bui Vien and Do Quang Do are much cuter and younger than these[/QUOTE]Take it that's the name of the club.
Is "Do Quang Do" on Bui Vien as well?
How much would they start by asking and what should I haggle them down to?
[QUOTE=James02;1805428]Take it that's the name of the club.
Is "Do Quang Do" on Bui Vien as well?
How much would they start by asking and what should I haggle them down to?[/QUOTE]No those are the names of the streets, bars are on those 2 streets, mostly near the intersection of the 2.
I've heard 1 million 500 is going rate, never did take from one of those places myself so not sure. American Thief here is more familiar with them.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1805708]No those are the names of the streets, bars are on those 2 streets, mostly near the intersection of the 2.
I've heard 1 million 500 is going rate, never did take from one of those places myself so not sure. American Thief here is more familiar with them.[/QUOTE]Now we are talking the prices I could pay in the states not a 3rd world country.
I was in HCMC last month and the bar scene has really gone downhill since I was last there in May 2013, right before the closing of all the bars near HBT. I went to APO and it is pretty close to what it was a couple years ago. There are a few decent lookers and and quite a few not so decent looking, but the big difference now is that they are asking 3 million instead of 2 million. None of the ones I talked to were worth half of that. Most of the action seems to be in the Pham Ngu Lao area. There are a couple bars on Bui Vien across from Crazy Girl bar (where there is no barfine but girls with average / below average looks) around 57 or 59 and the cross street Do Quang Dau. Despite the slim pickings, I was able to find a couple diamonds in the rough. There is a small bar called Kimis on Bui Vien that has about 6-8 girls working. A few were above average. This is where I found one of the diamonds. She was a solid 8 and had a fun and playful attitude (a rare combination here) and quoted 2 million for all night and 1. 5 for short-time (I was able to talk her down a little from the short time price). Lady drinks are 90 k and they drink them fast. I met her the first night I arrived and went back a few times looking for her but never saw her again. If you go there looking for her, I would advise going early. I wish I took her all night and got her number but I was jet lagged and didn't have a SIM card yet. I met the other (a very cute 20 year-old freelancer) at Go 2 Bar a couple days later who didn't want to be paid. That should have been a warning. She gave me the girlfriend experience, and while it would have been cheaper to just pay for sex, I have no regrets. I took her on a cruise of Ha Long Bay and spent a lot of time (and money) with her throughout the month I was there, and she is still text me and wanting to know when we are getting married!
[QUOTE=CrackAddict;1808682]!I was in HCMC last month and the bar scene has really gone downhill since I was last there in May 2013, right before the closing of all the bars near HBT.[/QUOTE]What do you think has caused all this then?
They're temporarily excluded from bars, but they still need money. Where else are they going to find customers? Any information or ideas from the Expats here?
I was in Apocalypse Now last night, at prime time. There were less than 10 working girls present, with many more single guys on hand. A real sausage fest.
A manager told me that there is a temporary crackdown on bars with working girls, limiting the number of single (unescorted) women they can admit to the bar. He expects the situation to last only a week.
The working girls still have bills to pay, so they will seek customers in other ways. Again, any information or ideas on where?
Thanks
[QUOTE=WhrsWhisperer;1822244]They're temporarily excluded from bars, but they still need money. Where else are they going to find customers? Any information or ideas from the Expats here?
I was in Apocalypse Now last night, at prime time. There were less than 10 working girls present, with many more single guys on hand. A real sausage fest.
A manager told me that there is a temporary crackdown on bars with working girls, limiting the number of single (unescorted) women they can admit to the bar. He expects the situation to last only a week.
The working girls still have bills to pay, so they will seek customers in other ways. Again, any information or ideas on where?
Thanks[/QUOTE]The Communist Party Congress, will be over by end of month. Meanwhile, activities move to the web. The trend is going that way. You better get use to wechat, zalo, call girl websites (some examples below), and get real good with google translate. Business appears thriving on internet, more than ever.
[URL]kynu.net[/URL]
[URL]danchoi.xxx[/URL]
[URL]thiendia.com[/URL]
Happy mongering.
Peter.
She's one of the more popular bar girls on Bui Vien and a sexy tigress in bed.
I lost her tel number. Anybody has seen her or know how and where to contact her?
Do Quang Dau is another street intersecting Bui Vien at the West end. These are the 2 main bar streets in the back packers district. Altogether I estimate about 20 bars and cafes in this area, nothing as massive as Pattaya, Sukkhumvit or Patpong.
It's weird how the streets are deserted by 5 AM, but the music is still blaring out of the bars, and girls are still perching on their high chairs trying to entice any dick who walks by.
By 6 AM most girls would be fairly drunk and start going home. They would go to the bike keepers to claim their scooters; some will stop by the food vendors to order food to go, presumably for their asshole boyfriends who live off their fuck proceeds. Some of these girls do look attractive. You can approach these girls and offer them to sleep off in your hotel, then lunch, before they go back to work in the same clothes the next day. Hehehe. You should be able to book a few for far less than 1 mil VnD.
A lot of girls sitting in bars have no guys buying drinks, so they work Wechat, offering all night deals starting at 8 PM for about 1 Mil and St for 500 k VnD. But they all use fake pics. I have never seen a Wechat girl who look anywhere like their pics. Most are far uglier and chunkier, some are ladyboys selling BJs. I stopped wasting time.
[QUOTE=James02;1805428]Take it that's the name of the club.
Is "Do Quang Do" on Bui Vien as well?
How much would they start by asking and what should I haggle them down to?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1829081]
By 6 AM most girls would be fairly drunk and start going home. They would go to the bike keepers to claim their scooters; some will stop by the food vendors to order food to go, presumably for their asshole boyfriends who live off their fuck proceeds. Some of these girls do look attractive. You can approach these girls and offer them to sleep off in your hotel, then lunch, before they go back to work in the same clothes the next day. Hehehe. You should be able to book a few for far less than 1 mil VnD.
A lot of girls sitting in bars have no guys buying drinks, so they work Wechat, offering all night deals starting at 8 PM for about 1 Mil and St for 500 k VnD. [/QUOTE]Totally disagree with this because I live in walking distance to BV for the past 4 years. The girls don't get very drunk because lady drinks are light. They don't have scooters. They all live in the same house provided by the owner / manager of the bar, usually upstairs or in the alley. They don't have boyfriends. They love only money. They don't want to sleep in your hotel or have lunch with you the next day, and would never be caught going to work the next day in the same clothes. In fact, they aren't allowed to sleep anywhere as long as they are employees of the bar unless you pay the BF and still long time means 1 or 2 am until sunrise, like 6 am. You get to pop as much as you want in that time, but as soon as there is daylight they are gone. BVbar girls will not settle for 1 mil. 1. 5 is the going rate now for st. They are not homeless and so desperate to go with you just to sleep in a hotel for a little * change. They all want iphones and ipads and new shoes and letting them sleep in your hotel room plus 500 k isn't going to buy jack shit.
Sure they all work the social sites when they have no customers, but never 1 mil long time nor 500st.
Sounds like you think Vietnam is Philippines of the 1990's, which its not.
[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1828955]She's one of the more popular bar girls on Bui Vien and a sexy tigress in bed.
I lost her tel number. Anybody has seen her or know how and where to contact her?[/QUOTE]I'm sure if you go back to the bar she worked at and show those girls there her photo, or the mamasan, should be able to track her down that way. Much more efficient than here. Tip whoever gets you in touch with her. I once re-contacted a girl I hadn't seen in 2 years that way.
What's the deal with Chu Bar? My mate from Aus recommended it and sure enough the girls working behind the bar are pretty and sexy. But are they available?? I didn't stay around long as it was too smokey for me and didn't see any freelancers.
[QUOTE=MatKong;1729426]The problem in Apo is the price they ask nowadays, IMO you can always find a real hottie in the crowd, but when they ask 200, 300usd or more, and they still think they are doing you a favor, it makes me crazy! The best deal around in Apo these days would be 100usd for 1 shot. 2 shots for this price would be fair if the girl has good attitude and service, but almost impossible to negotiate with most of them.
About Chill bar, absolutely not interesting, very Hi class and show off place, yes for sure you will see "models" kind of girls but they will be with rich locals already or you will have to show you are rich spending an insane amount of money for bottles etc. I think it doesn't worth it but if that's your thing and you can afford it then you can give it a try. Air 360 is a better option for sky bar with a nicer atmosphere, more reasonable prices and still nice girls around.[/QUOTE]I Google chill bar in HCMC and it looks like the beers are about $6 and the wine is around $12 USD. That's pretty cheap considering where I'm coming from. Is this expensive because outside of Chill bar is dramatically cheaper? Would you happen to have any recommendations where I can have the best chance of meeting English speaking girls. I just want to make sure I've got a girl on my arm every night so I can have overnight company.
[QUOTE=MaxThunder;1850246]I Google chill bar in HCMC and it looks like the beers are about $6 and the wine is around $12 USD. That's pretty cheap considering where I'm coming from. Is this expensive because outside of Chill bar is dramatically cheaper? Would you happen to have any recommendations where I can have the best chance of meeting English speaking girls. I just want to make sure I've got a girl on my arm every night so I can have overnight company.[/QUOTE]Go to Apocalypse Now. It gets a lot of shit on this forum from the old timers who remember the days of billiard bars on every street corner, but I've always had fanastic luck there. Going price is 2 million overnight, quality is top notch.
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1851118]Go to Apocalypse Now. It gets a lot of shit on this forum from the old timers who remember the days of billiard bars on every street corner, but I've always had fanastic luck there. Going price is 2 million overnight, quality is top notch.[/QUOTE]Hey you young whipper snapper, we still have ears that work, you know. You're darn tootin' we used to use the billiard bars, they were cheaper than Apo and they had more girls and cuter ones (and younger ones to be found). I haven't been in Apo for years, so for all I know you could be right about how it is now. I did take a gander at the remaining billiard bars and instantly decided to take them off the list of places to check out when making the rounds. They're basically replaced by the Bui Vien bars, but even those don't get the quality that HBT used to have.
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1851118]Go to Apocalypse Now. It gets a lot of shit on this forum from the old timers who remember the days of billiard bars on every street corner, but I've always had fanastic luck there. Going price is 2 million overnight, quality is top notch.[/QUOTE]I think someone needs to put qualifiers on this post, firstly what he terms as top notch maybe be termed something quite more mundane by others, secondly whilst 2 mill is quite possible, expect 3-4 mill for the top girls at APO, finally overnight isn't quite overnight its more like 2-3 am till 6 am. Admittedly I haven't been to APO in like 6 years but in the times I have been I haven't been impressed esp with the prices. Go in APO expecting 2 mill ST and getting girls in the 6's /7's but MILFs and you will be more realistic.
[QUOTE=AsianLoverOz;1835185]What's the deal with Chu Bar? My mate from Aus recommended it and sure enough the girls working behind the bar are pretty and sexy. But are they available?? I didn't stay around long as it was too smokey for me and didn't see any freelancers.[/QUOTE]These are not freelancers, this is in essence a BMD bar. I have had a girl from there, but it was only after quite a bit of effort and numerous visits.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1851307]I think someone needs to put qualifiers on this post, firstly what he terms as top notch maybe be termed something quite more mundane by others, secondly whilst 2 mill is quite possible, expect 3-4 mill for the top girls at APO, finally overnight isn't quite overnight its more like 2-3 am till 6 am. Admittedly I haven't been to APO in like 6 years but in the times I have been I haven't been impressed esp with the prices. Go in APO expecting 2 mill ST and getting girls in the 6's /7's but MILFs and you will be more realistic.[/QUOTE]I've been to Saigon 3 x since January of 2015, most recently in October of 2015, and I stand by my information. Definitely tastes vary, but I have had great luck there not only with MILFs (and I love me a MILF), but also with young stunners. You're right about "overnight" being late night until early AM, but that's to be expected anywhere. I'm usually the one who ends up leaving as I do S / T hotels for my rendezvous (I stay myself at Western hotels where no overnight guests are allowed), but I've never had a girl look at her watch in the wee hours and say "Sorry honey, time to go!"
[QUOTE=Wendella;1851279]Hey you young whipper snapper, we still have ears that work, you know. You're darn tootin' we used to use the billiard bars, they were cheaper than Apo and they had more girls and cuter ones (and younger ones to be found). I haven't been in Apo for years, so for all I know you could be right about how it is now. I did take a gander at the remaining billiard bars and instantly decided to take them off the list of places to check out when making the rounds. They're basically replaced by the Bui Vien bars, but even those don't get the quality that HBT used to have.[/QUOTE]My first trip to Saigon was in, I think 2013 . Just at the end of that era I believe. There were still quite a few billiard bars right around the Sheraton, but I was a bit intimidated by them for whatever reason. When I finally wandered into one of the last remaining ones down the street from the Sheraton a couple years later, the pickins were slim. VERY slim. Maybe 3-4 unattractive girls and super high pressure for drinks.
I do wish I'd been a few years earlier to enjoy the heyday.
Went to Apo yesterday by myself. This was first time I've been to a bar in Viet Nam. I got there at around 10:50 pm where things just got started.
Nice setting, no cover charge. Guards were nice and friendly.
Drinks were mostly 135 k dong (I had a few Corona). I also had some Coke and Coconut for 90 k each.
Music was nice, lots of males and ex-pat looking to get lucky. Some were rowdy so guard had to warm him a couple of times.
As for the ladies, a few MILF, around 20 girls. Most ranges around 5-7's. There were 2 I had my eyes on. One was around 7.25, around low 20's. Unfortunately, due to me being there my first time and being shy, I did know how to approach her so as I was thinking about it, someone else had taken her.
Went outside for a break then come back at around 1 am. There's still some girls left. Moved closer to DJ and saw a young girl that's 7.5. Cute face and nice smile. She was drinking really expensive drink and dancing with a friend. She was wearing heels but friend was not. Saw a few guys approach her but she ignored them. Asked guard that I tip earlier to see if she works and he told me yes. Got up courage to go up to talk to her but she just shake her head when I said Hi.
After that attempt, got discouraged and left at around 2:30 am.
Any thoughts from fellow experienced mongers? Any tips on approaching them or how should I go about it?
Thanks a lot for any advice given.
P.S. I'm Asian, in my late 20's, fit, better than average looking (told by others). Just want to find out what's wrong.
Eternal Darkness,
Don't be disheartened. The girl might be cautious you are an undercover or the waiter thinks all girls in Apo are working girls.
Try Vic bar at 55 Ho Xuan Hung. You may have to arrange to meet up with the girl after she finishes her shift and pay a bar fine.
If you have time to kill during the day, go to Cafe 018 - Address: 018 F Mạsee Thiêand Tích, P. 8, Q. 5,TP. Hồ Chí Minh.
Just sit and have a coffee and the girls will come sit with you.
Good luck.
[QUOTE=EternalDarknes;1852056]Went to Apo yesterday by myself. This was first time I've been to a bar in Viet Nam. I got there at around 10:50 pm where things just got started.
Nice setting, no cover charge. Guards were nice and friendly.
Drinks were mostly 135 k dong (I had a few Corona). I also had some Coke and Coconut for 90 k each.
Music was nice, lots of males and ex-pat looking to get lucky. Some were rowdy so guard had to warm him a couple of times.
As for the ladies, a few MILF, around 20 girls. Most ranges around 5-7's. There were 2 I had my eyes on. One was around 7.25, around low 20's. Unfortunately, due to me being there my first time and being shy, I did know how to approach her so as I was thinking about it, someone else had taken her..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EternalDarknes;1852056]Went to Apo yesterday by myself. This was first time I've been to a bar in Viet Nam. I got there at around 10:50 pm where things just got started.
Nice setting, no cover charge. Guards were nice and friendly.
Drinks were mostly 135 k dong (I had a few Corona). I also had some Coke and Coconut for 90 k each.
Music was nice, lots of males and ex-pat looking to get lucky. Some were rowdy so guard had to warm him a couple of times.
As for the ladies, a few MILF, around 20 girls. Most ranges around 5-7's. There were 2 I had my eyes on. One was around 7.25, around low 20's. Unfortunately, due to me being there my first time and being shy, I did know how to approach her so as I was thinking about it, someone else had taken her.
Went outside for a break then come back at around 1 am. There's still some girls left. Moved closer to DJ and saw a young girl that's 7.5. Cute face and nice smile. She was drinking really expensive drink and dancing with a friend. She was wearing heels but friend was not. Saw a few guys approach her but she ignored them. Asked guard that I tip earlier to see if she works and he told me yes. Got up courage to go up to talk to her but she just shake her head when I said Hi.
After that attempt, got discouraged and left at around 2:30 am.
Any thoughts from fellow experienced mongers? Any tips on approaching them or how should I go about it?
Thanks a lot for any advice given.
P.S. I'm Asian, in my late 20's, fit, better than average looking (told by others). Just want to find out what's wrong.[/QUOTE]Avoid the girls near the DJ, particulary the group that has a big table just opposite the bar. There are definitely some lookers in that group, and they're all ostensibly all working, but I've rarely seen any of them leave with anyone. To be honest I've started to wonder why they're even there as it's the same 6-10 girls night after night, always with bottle or two of whisky, none of them ever leaving with a customer. They arrive in a group and if you stay long enough, you'll see they leave in a group.
Anyway. Here's my strategy: go for the outliers. Solo girls are the easiest/best choice IMO. I hang out at the bar, somewhere between the DJ and the walkway to the outside area halfway back. Look for girls you haven't seen every night - you may get lucky and meet a true part-timer there (though it's rare). But you will definitely meet girls wo are working and not just standing around drinking, like the other group. Also the girls who sit at the tables near the entrance are all working and all very available. You'll see the same group again and again, but if you watch closely they definitely do leave with customers.
Also Thursday, Friday and Saturday are far FAR more fertile than weeknights. If you're still in town this weekend, go back around 11 or 11:30, and plan to stay late. It doesn't pick up until around midnight in my experience.
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1852316]Avoid the girls near the DJ, particulary the group that has a big table just opposite the bar. There are definitely some lookers in that group, and they're all ostensibly all working, but I've rarely seen any of them leave with anyone. To be honest I've started to wonder why they're even there as it's the same 6-10 girls night after night, always with bottle or two of whisky, none of them ever leaving with a customer. They arrive in a group and if you stay long enough, you'll see they leave in a group.
Anyway. Here's my strategy: go for the outliers. Solo girls are the easiest/best choice IMO. I hang out at the bar, somewhere between the DJ and the walkway to the outside area halfway back. Look for girls you haven't seen every night - you may get lucky and meet a true part-timer there (though it's rare). But you will definitely meet girls wo are working and not just standing around drinking, like the other group. Also the girls who sit at the tables near the entrance are all working and all very available. You'll see the same group again and again, but if you watch closely they definitely do leave with customers.
Also Thursday, Friday and Saturday are far FAR more fertile than weeknights. If you're still in town this weekend, go back around 11 or 11:30, and plan to stay late. It doesn't pick up until around midnight in my experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks! May try again this Friday or Saturday night. Do you just approach them yourself or ask the helpers / guard to talk to the girls? If so, what do you say to them?
[QUOTE=EternalDarknes;1852330]Thanks! May try again this Friday or Saturday night. Do you just approach them yourself or ask the helpers / guard to talk to the girls? If so, what do you say to them?[/QUOTE]Approach yourself! Just say Hi, offer to buy them a drink, ask if they're from Saigon, etc. Etc. . They know why you're there!
And if you strike out and it's 3 AM, head to Go2Bar. It's grungy and loud and crowded, but I've found it's almost impossible to leave there alone in the wee hours on weekend. Lots of the girls from Apocalypse who haven't found customers head there after Apocalypse closes. But I'm taking really wee hours - 3 AM and later. But if you're got no committments for the next day, it's worth a shot. I've met a couple great ladies there.
Hey guys,
Was wondering what bars and clubs are good during the week to pick up working girls. I think my hotel is girl friendly so I can just have them come back to my place. I can do freelance or even barfine these girls. I see a lot about weekend bars and clubs but nothing about the weekdays. Thanks.
You all do a great service here.
Keep it up!
[QUOTE=JamesOcla;1853371]Hey guys,
Was wondering what bars and clubs are good during the week to pick up working girls. I think my hotel is girl friendly so I can just have them come back to my place. I can do freelance or even barfine these girls. I see a lot about weekend bars and clubs but nothing about the weekdays. Thanks.
You all do a great service here.
Keep it up![/QUOTE]Saigon is a 7 days a week kinda place, every bar is open everyday. The bars already mentioned are open everyday. The quality of the girls I cannot comment on.
Was at the ladies night at Lush this Tuesday and it was pretty good: solid 8's and 9's but super difficult to distinguish who is working and who is not.
I guess if one plays its cards right, it should not be difficult to pull out one of the cutes -keeping in mind the girls are all drinking free of charge and having a fun time.
Managed to spot a super sexy and classy MILF at the bar (she's 38) and she was indeed a FL!
She confirmed Lush hosts a lot of FL, specially during the weekends and she goes to the bar at New World Hotel as well. I think its name is Catwalk and as per her, it is very expensive: 500 K entrance, drinks at 300 K. Will try and report.
Had a very good vibe with her, drank, danced, never talked about money and went to my serviced apartment. I proposed her to stay 1 night more and gave her 300 USD total.
I think it is good value for money. Solid GFE, multiple pops, we went out drinking again yesterday on Bui Vien, grabbed some food and she's still in bed at present.
She pretends she never accepts going for lower than 150 USD per night and usually takes 200. She's making good money and has no necessity to work systematically.
Take care.
Cheers,
AC
[QUOTE=AugustChrist;1858561]Was at the ladies night at Lush this Tuesday and it was pretty good: solid 8's and 9's but super difficult to distinguish who is working and who is not.
I guess if one plays its cards right, it should not be difficult to pull out one of the cutes -keeping in mind the girls are all drinking free of charge and having a fun time.
Managed to spot a super sexy and classy MILF at the bar (she's 38) and she was indeed a FL!
She confirmed Lush hosts a lot of FL, specially during the weekends and she goes to the bar at New World Hotel as well. I think its name is Catwalk and as per her, it is very expensive: 500 K entrance, drinks at 300 K. Will try and report.
Had a very good vibe with her, drank, danced, never talked about money and went to my serviced apartment. I proposed her to stay 1 night more and gave her 300 USD total.[/QUOTE]Not sure how many of us would pay 150 usd overnight for a 38 yr old. Esp when you can get 18-24's for that price.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1858795]Not sure how many of us would pay 150 usd overnight for a 38 yr old. Esp when you can get 18-24's for that price.[/QUOTE]I would!
Some of us prefer MILFs! =P.
Good intel in the O. P. ; I've never been to Lush but will definitely check it out next time I'm in town.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1858795]Not sure how many of us would pay 150 usd overnight for a 38 yr old. Esp when you can get 18-24's for that price.[/QUOTE]I agree with MC. Nonetheless, for newbies to the city like me, and specially on a short visit, it already is a hassle to find a nice GF hotel in the right location.
And when we meet with a gem, we tend to think more of our standards in terms of value for money.
The experienced girls know it. And hunt only for this type of prey.
From where I come from, it would never have been possible for this price. I had a great 36 hours but I will not repeat now that I'm getting used to the scene.
And indeed, a good MILF from time to time makes my day.
Was on an early stroll around Pham Ngu Lao on Thursday and stopped at a bar to shoot a pool. It attracted my attention since a lot (approx. 15 girls), sexily dressed, were inside.
Played a few games with one of them and she explained the game: lady drinks at 90 K with the usual touching blabla. And the girls can't leave before midnight. She confirmed they all are available for take out!
Since it was still early (10 pm), I decided to grab some food, a few more beers and head back to my hotel for a shower. Was a little drunk, started sleeping but the PM from LukeSkywalker aroused me (thanks mate: great info here -I will report soon).
Headed back to the same bar at 1 am finally: more girls were there: most of them very pretty (from 5 to 8 easy and some 9's I'd say but YMMV) and some very gems: at least 5 of them were 18-20 years' old! Also, the only customers there were Japanese and Koreans.
But beware: my girl later showed me those who are 18 now but started in this bar as young as 16. I thus conclude some of them are not even 18.
She was super happy to see me back and I started offering her drinks and chit chatted a bit. The more time went by, the more I was into her: she was asking the bartender to add more JD to her drinks and she was getting very horny I felt. We left around 4 am (bar bill was 1 M) and man, she was a real nymphomaniac!
Had a super time with her, and after two shots, around 6 30, we went to grab some food and the bar was still open with 2 or 3 girls left. We had a coffee with Baileys, and headed back to my serviced apartment which was walking distance. Had some sleep and spent the early afternoon shagging. She was awesome: you just have to touch her for 5 seconds and she starts dripping. Great time indeed here. We decided to make a move around 5 pm and I gave her 2 M. She was just OK with it but precised she takes 2 M for ST.
She as well confirmed all the girls are available for take out: either they are comfortable with you and will lower their guard or if you put the price, they definitely will go.
I understand location should not be mentioned here and I will thus refrain from precising it. My trip to Saigon is turning out to be super good.
Have fun and stay safe.
Cheers,
AC
I'd love to see what you would consider is a 9 (1 less from perfection). Likewise the girl you ultimately took, which was she a 5-9 that you mentioned was available.
In Vietnam, girls who go past 30 know they are spoiled goods, having no prospect of getting married. Even the attractive, educated, good earners face the prospects of spending the rest of their singles' lives in loneliness.
Outside of bars and the tourists' areas, you may find many attractive single women in their 30's and 40's wanting relationship but may be shy with foreigners. You just have to take the initiatives, showing them the gentle, caring, sensitive sides of your personality. You may end up with lots of bed partners.
I was in Cafe Dalat Pho on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai with a local friend. It's a huge, dark but cool, nice, clean quiet, classy cafe near dis 1. He motioned to me a couple tables each with 5 to 6 single women just sitting around, not talking, like they were waiting for someone. They were desperate single women in their 30's, 40's, waiting for guys to come over to make friends. My friend told me I can quickly hook one and go, but they were chunkier than I like. If the women don't have nice, tight, hard bodies with smooth skin, I would not be interest in sex or anything else with them.
But guys who like MILFs should be in hogs' heaven with all these sex-starved women. A few years back I was dating a very conservative good virginal girl in her mid 20's, so I was respectful and took it slow with her. We were making out on the couch when I finally got my hand into her crotch. Her pussy had swollen up and was oozing with warm, sticky fluid, like dipping the hand into a jar of warm honey. She was so horny she wanted to fuck all along.
I went to a few parties with local friends. An attractive divorcee in her 30's was staring at me with her big eyes all night, making it obvious that she wanted me to pick her up, like she was sex-starved, ready to devour me in bed. I was embarrassed. Hehe.
[QUOTE=GringooFuk;1862187]I need help to decide my holiday.
Either Jakarta or Hoh Chi Mihn Saigon?
I love me a MILF too but when I was there in 2007 taking a side trip from Thailand (where I spent all my money LOL) I had no clue.
Viets look pretty stunning.
Where are the good places for MILF if they not all over the place thanks any info and what prices are ladies and girls usually?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AugustChrist;1859954]My trip to Saigon is turning out to be super good.
Cheers,
AC[/QUOTE]AC, What was the damage or can you itemized all the costs for us.
Cheer,
AT.
[QUOTE=AugustChrist;1859954]Was on an early stroll around Pham Ngu Lao on Thursday and stopped at a bar to shoot a pool. It attracted my attention since a lot (approx. 15 girls), sexily dressed, were inside.
Played a few games with one of them and she explained the game: lady drinks at 90 K with the usual touching blabla. And the girls can't leave before midnight. She confirmed they all are available for take out!
Since it was still early (10 pm), I decided to grab some food, a few more beers and head back to my hotel for a shower. Was a little drunk, started sleeping but the PM from LukeSkywalker aroused me (thanks mate: great info here -I will report soon).
Headed back to the same bar at 1 am finally: more girls were there: most of them very pretty (from 5 to 8 easy and some 9's I'd say but YMMV) and some very gems: at least 5 of them were 18-20 years' old! Also, the only customers there were Japanese and Koreans.
AC[/QUOTE]AC,
There are a ton of hostess bars in District 1. I've been here for over a month for work and play. I've not bothered trying to find a place like you did. I guess best wold be to share some info of "value with others on here. All I have is girls from Skype who are less traditional.
Anyway, are you or anyone else using any "method" to weed out hostess vs. Take out? I'd guess many of the hostess bars have girls available for take-out, but only above 150 USD rates?
How do you identify those where girls are P2 P vs. Only if they are offered some ridiculous price like 150 USD? Did you just get "lucky" finding that place or did you go to several and ask after talking?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1858795]Not sure how many of us would pay 150 usd overnight for a 38 yr old. Esp when you can get 18-24's for that price.[/QUOTE]Not sure who would pay you $100 USD for your pimping guide services. Especially when all the same information is already out there for free.
[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1862657]In Vietnam, girls who go past 30 know they are spoiled goods, having no prospect of getting married. Even the attractive, educated, good earners face the prospects of spending the rest of their singles' lives in loneliness.
Outside of bars and the tourists' areas, you may find many attractive single women in their 30's and 40's wanting relationship but may be shy with foreigners. You just have to take the initiatives, showing them the gentle, caring, sensitive sides of your personality. You may end up with lots of bed partners.
I was in Cafe Dalat Pho on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai with a local friend. It's a huge, dark but cool, nice, clean quiet, classy cafe near dis 1. He motioned to me a couple tables each with 5 to 6 single women just sitting around, not talking, like they were waiting for someone. They were desperate single women in their 30's, 40's, waiting for guys to come over to make friends. My friend told me I can quickly hook one and go, but they were chunkier than I like. If the women don't have nice, tight, hard bodies with smooth skin, I would not be interest in sex or anything else with them.
But guys who like MILFs should be in hogs' heaven with all these sex-starved women. A few years back I was dating a very conservative good virginal girl in her mid 20's, so I was respectful and took it slow with her. We were making out on the couch when I finally got my hand into her crotch. Her pussy had swollen up and was oozing with warm, sticky fluid, like dipping the hand into a jar of warm honey. She was so horny she wanted to fuck all along.
I went to a few parties with local friends. An attractive divorcee in her 30's was staring at me with her big eyes all night, making it obvious that she wanted me to pick her up, like she was sex-starved, ready to devour me in bed. I was embarrassed. Hehe.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I am a married guy in HCMC looking for MILFs, not so picky being 50 myself, and I know that cafe but have not been. I have tried hanging out in other random cafes but just need to be a bit more, er, pro-active.
[QUOTE=ActionGG;1876347]Thanks for the info. I am a married guy in HCMC looking for MILFs, not so picky being 50 myself, and I know that cafe but have not been. I have tried hanging out in other random cafes but just need to be a bit more, er, pro-active.[/QUOTE]A guy I know from overseas got on some dating sites (apps work too) and set up lots of meetings for when he came here, and he's been seeing one after another the past week and a half. Actually now he's in Nhatrang to meet 2 more up there. He's had pretty good success closing the deals too. Not 100% but good enough he has no complaints. I'll try to find out what he used.
[QUOTE=Wendella;1876918]A guy I know from overseas got on some dating sites (apps work too) and set up lots of meetings for when he came here, and he's been seeing one after another the past week and a half. Actually now he's in Nhatrang to meet 2 more up there. He's had pretty good success closing the deals too. Not 100% but good enough he has no complaints. I'll try to find out what he used.[/QUOTE]Thanks! The problem with sites and apps is they want pics and FB connections, which is too risky being married. I have gotten some interest on Viet Cup with no pics and stating that I am married but have not bought an upgraded membership there. I tried with Badoo with a fake photo and got some nibbles and one lady who seemed to offering P2P but she seemed a bit nutty.
I have a 35 ish Apo. Lady who is really great as far as understanding my situation, but I always think I can find more like her. Any tips are greatly appreciated!
[QUOTE=ActionGG;1878319]Thanks! The problem with sites and apps is they want pics and FB connections, which is too risky being married. I have gotten some interest on Viet Cup with no pics and stating that I am married but have not bought an upgraded membership there. I tried with Badoo with a fake photo and got some nibbles and one lady who seemed to offering P2P but she seemed a bit nutty.
I have a 35 ish Apo. Lady who is really great as far as understanding my situation, but I always think I can find more like her. Any tips are greatly appreciated![/QUOTE]Another risk with these apps is that if you allow Location Services so you can search for People Nearby, then YOU appear to everyone in the area, including your wife. Or her friends. Or her family.
But actually you can opt to keep those off.
But on Wechat, I made my profile totally fictional. I used to use Brad Pitt as my photo.
Hey guys,
Wondering if any of you have had any luck at these hostess-style bars in D1, such as The Office, Emergency Room, the Navy, etc. I have wandered into many more in that same area, never quite knowing what to expect. Never had a girl ask me to take her home from one, but have seen others leave with some.
The US Ambassador in Hanoi and the Consul General in HCMC get lots of invitations to local parties, social and cultural events. They normally send their staffs in their places, depending on the hosts and the importance.
I have met a few very beautiful, classy and well educated, English-speaking young single women in these events. Due to their conservative and restrictive culture, some of these women remain virgins well into their mid 30's. The US staffs can socialize with locals to certain degrees, but they are kept under a lot of pressure and scrutiny to protect against espionage, corruption, blackmails etc. That's where Joe blow Mongers may be able to grab good opportunities.
If you know how to work with Mr. Ambassador or Ms Consul General, you can be put on invitation lists for countless events. Being affiliated with the US Embassy you will be treated like sexy, young princes. Hehe.
Don't tell me I never gave you guys any good tips.
[QUOTE=Klmlbt6;1908048]Hey guys,
Wondering if any of you have had any luck at these hostess-style bars in D1, such as The Office, Emergency Room, the Navy, etc. I have wandered into many more in that same area, never quite knowing what to expect. Never had a girl ask me to take her home from one, but have seen others leave with some.[/QUOTE]The girls in these bars tend to be looking for boyfriends / sponsors, if they're not already married or dating a local. The ones you see walking out with expats are probably with their boyfriend. The only time I have had any luck with any of the girls has been with hard "honest" work, just like chasing after a girlfriend and have had more knock-backs than successes. Some actually get very pissed of if you think they're a hooker. Was more the challenge than anything else, and would probably have been easier if I was living there instead of visiting now and again. There are some good looking girls in these bars, especially The Office. They're all run by a group of Vietnamese ladies, all of them very datable, but not cheap to take out on that date. High end restaurants and nightclubs! There is sure to be the odd one that may want to supplement their wages and as I said, it may be easier if you're living there, as they would see you as a possible boyfriend candidate, but you may be just better sticking to Lush, Apo, Go2 etc. And enjoy what's available out of there.
Please don't yell at me for asking questions. I've contributed before but now I need help. I've done most things but one that I haven't done is to visit a KTV because I'm always alone. But I saw some videos of rooms of naked girls singing and dancing naked in a private room with a couch (imagine how dirty it would be) and sucking and fking. Its always a bit difficult trying something for the first time. But can anyone tell me if this exists in Saigon and what's the process. Do I just walk in with no language skills and choose a girl and will they all be naked etc in my little private room.
[QUOTE=Sidtip;1911501]Please don't yell at me for asking questions. I've contributed before but now I need help. I've done most things but one that I haven't done is to visit a KTV because I'm always alone. But I saw some videos of rooms of naked girls singing and dancing naked in a private room with a couch (imagine how dirty it would be) and sucking and fking. Its always a bit difficult trying something for the first time. But can anyone tell me if this exists in Saigon and what's the process. Do I just walk in with no language skills and choose a girl and will they all be naked etc in my little private room.[/QUOTE]Yes it kind of exists with this caveat. Firstly the naked dancing its possible if you are a first timer at a KTV though its more likely if you go with someone who has been at the KTV before. Secondly the prettiest gals won't do that kind of thing, its usually the older plainer gals who do that to earn extra tips, the normal tip at these local places are about 300 k, when you requests these gals get naked to dance its about 500 k per song.
In the past it may have been possible to engage in sexual activities in the room, but now this is a rare situation unless you quite friendly with the mommy, again this will be organised based on large tips, EG 1 mill for a BJ, whereas if you take her home LT it might only cost 2 mill.
As to your final question, no its unlikely you can find or even organize such a thing with no language skills and no contacts.
[QUOTE=TomMAffolter;1911526]
As to your final question, no its unlikely you can find or even organize such a thing with no language skills and no contacts.[/QUOTE]Is this what happens in KTVs in other countries. They are popular with the Chinese and all the naked girls videos online seem to feature chinese guests and girls. Is there a particular Asian country I should be going to to get this.
[QUOTE=Sidtip;1911796]Is this what happens in KTVs in other countries. They are popular with the Chinese and all the naked girls videos online seem to feature chinese guests and girls. Is there a particular Asian country I should be going to to get this.[/QUOTE]I have only been to KTV in Cambodia, Philippines and Vietnamese. The wildest one I been to with me licking her pussy was Philippines.
[QUOTE=Sidtip;1911796]Is this what happens in KTVs in other countries. They are popular with the Chinese and all the naked girls videos online seem to feature chinese guests and girls. Is there a particular Asian country I should be going to to get this.[/QUOTE]Alexis Hotel in Jakarta. Been to the Karaoke there a few times and it's basically anything goes. The rooms with the hot tub off to the side are really good. Only problem. It's not cheap, but I wasn't paying so not my problem. Tended to be my agent, a mate of his and 2 or 3 of my work colleagues. Add in two or three girls each, a shit load of alcohol and a few bar games and it all heads south very quickly. You can take the girls to one of the rooms in the hotel for a quickie, or even better, take them back to your hotel. It just depends how deep your pockets are.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1911947]I have only been to KTV in Cambodia, Philippines and Vietnamese. The wildest one I been to with me licking her pussy was Philippines.[/QUOTE]Mutant, what happened in the KTV in Vn and Cambodia when you did it. Did you get a private room with naked dancing girls. Do you get to touch them etc. And does this place still exist.
[QUOTE=Sidtip;1912300]Mutant, what happened in the KTV in Vn and Cambodia when you did it. Did you get a private room with naked dancing girls. Do you get to touch them etc. And does this place still exist.[/QUOTE]I did not try KTV in Vietnam but in Siem Reap I paid for taxi to take me to a local KTV 2 nights. I paid $70 US for a over night back to my hotel from a decent selection of 30 girls in both places. This price may be expensive for Cambodia but OK for Vietnam I think as there I was content with the freebies from Badoo but of course less quality then the young KTV girls.
[QUOTE=YellowPaul;1912352]I did not try KTV in Vietnam but in Siem Reap I paid for taxi to take me to a local KTV 2 nights. I paid $70 US for a over night back to my hotel from a decent selection of 30 girls in both places. This price may be expensive for Cambodia but OK for Vietnam I think as there I was content with the freebies from Badoo but of course less quality then the young KTV girls.[/QUOTE]Yellow, I went to the KTV in Siem Reap and had a small line up or two but the girls were average because I got there too early. As I was leaving better ones were arriving. But do you know if we can stay in the room with the couch where they do the lineup. It had a tv in the one I went to. Is it possible to stay in that room with 2 girls and get them to dance naked and stuff. I want something a bit more fun than just sex on a hotel bed or watching them in a strip club.
[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;1908325]The girls in these bars tend to be looking for boyfriends / sponsors, if they're not already married or dating a local. The ones you see walking out with expats are probably with their boyfriend. The only time I have had any luck with any of the girls has been with hard "honest" work, just like chasing after a girlfriend and have had more knock-backs than successes. Some actually get very pissed of if you think they're a hooker. Was more the challenge than anything else, and would probably have been easier if I was living there instead of visiting now and again. There are some good looking girls in these bars, especially The Office. They're all run by a group of Vietnamese ladies, all of them very datable, but not cheap to take out on that date. High end restaurants and nightclubs! There is sure to be the odd one that may want to supplement their wages and as I said, it may be easier if you're living there, as they would see you as a possible boyfriend candidate, but you may be just better sticking to Lush, Apo, Go2 etc. And enjoy what's available out of there.[/QUOTE]My comments on the general thread:
I don't hang out that regular, much more before, but there are all kinds of girls working and there are occasional ladies out before going to Apo or friends of waitresses but in general, it is a project in most cases although there are full-on workers in some bars. I don't really care about buying them drinks to have a semi-grope but a lot of Asian guys seem happy with that.
I will confess that I was dragged home one night by a 22 or 23-yr old single mother working a lower Pasteur street bar who I thought was going to charge me but when I came up short in cash for the hotel, she payed the difference. She was a bit exceptional in that she was a young actress just working in a bar to improve her English. She ended up breaking it off in deference to my wife.
Another: About a year ago I met a 30-yr. Old divorcee who has a small English school and was also working just to improve her English but could barely put up with the job- she never let guys buy her drinks or whatever- and went through three bars pretty quickly. The first bar I met her at, she started asking me if I was there to take a woman home, because some them will do that, she said. But I never got details LOL. We ended up becoming friendly and I would see her at the bar to hear about her BF troubles. She is definitely hunting a foreign husband and had some Aussie guy on the line but broke up recently. For some reason I am her "type" and she would go for me if I wasn't married, so she has no problem in going out with me occasionally. Of course I wonder in the back of my mind if she will sometime decide, "eh, may as well have sex with him" but she seems a bit too tightly wound (doesn't drink). She knows that I am not so happy in my marriage and that I have cheated before, so maybe I can at least get her to introduce me to a more "open" friend.
But, yeah, things are not straight-forward at all and the main job is to get and keep guys drinking in the bar. Maybe there are more girls willing to do P4P at say Kims but I have found them to always be pushing for drinks and then drinks for friends and then a padded bill, so I stick more to places where it is a bit more casual or there are ladies I know that I am fine buying a few drinks for. It seems that BV and and Do Quang Dau bars are the most easy bars for take-away now aren't they? Not straight-up barfine but definitely discussed fairly openly it seems. But to me, that area is just bad news and P2P there is full of addicts, diseases and ripoffs.
Just to add that those bars are opening up like crazy because waitresses see how much the boss lady pulls in.
Hey brothers,
Can anyone confirm if we can find Uzbek girls in ho chi Minh clubs like a lot of Thai clubs.
I'm happy to report that the scene at Apocolypse Now is alive and well. I know the old-timers / regulars on the HCMC forums aren't fans, but for occasional travellers it's a great venue. Prices are still 2 MM (although of course some girls ask for more. Maybe 3 MM or 100 USD, but none of a half dozen balked at my counter-offer of 2 MM). There are some real beauties (IMO), and I do like the vibe there. Check it out if you happen to be in town and looking for company, it's definitely worth a visit if you like the WG bar scene.
[QUOTE=ActionGG;1912438]My comments on the general thread:
Maybe there are more girls willing to do P4P at say Kims but I have found them to always be pushing for drinks and then drinks for friends and then a padded bill, so I stick more to places where it is a bit more casual or there are ladies I know that I am fine buying a few drinks for. [/QUOTE]Unfortunately the trend of girls pushing for drinks is on the up. And some of the bar owners def encourage this and also they usually pad the bill. Here's a list of bars that fall into that category. Kims Tavern, Voodoo, Retro Bar, The Office, Tequila, Fox, Xu XU's, Cloud 9, Rumour's, Kiss. And some of the lady drink prices are just a joke. 140,000 for half shot of Jack coke is just laughable! My advice, buy a bottle and let your girl drink from that, far cheaper!
I arrived in HCMC on a Friday evening on the eve of Halloween, went through that horrendous evening rush hour traffic from the airport to town, and got to my hotel around 8 pm. My 2 wingman were waiting for me at Harmony Saigon hotel. Armed with my ISG RTFF summary, and some intel from my buddies, we hit the road running.
Alas, disappointment quickly set in. It was first time mongering in HCMC for all 3 of us. One of the wingman, thought he had the better intel, so the order of the day became: follow the leader. His intel said to go to Number 5 bar, on Pasteur St. We arrived there and quickly realized this was a hostess bar. Although the girls looked stunning to these horny mongers, they turned us down one by one. Finally, the lady owner / manager, feeling sorry for us, suggested we visit these other bars not too far. They had names like Rock Hard and Jungle Bar. We decided to grab a bite first at this restaurant next door, owned and operated by an expat from the US. He confirmed that's where the action was. Unfortunately, we soon found out it was not the case at all.
By now, my buddy's intel was exhausted, so here comes the ISG RTFF to the rescue. It was about 11 pm, perfect for Apocalypse. Thank God the taxis are dirt cheap in HCMC, and I found out later that Uber works fine there and is even cheaper. We got there and the place was empty. However, soon the crowd started showing up. By this time, it was almost bed time for these old farts, as we were tired from the travel. However, we did see the potential for Apocalypse, but it was also Halloween weekend and the large crowd was rather on the younger side.
The next day, it was time for another approach. I am a big sucker for eye candy, hence I tend to gravitate towards high end places. One of my wingman and I decided to try little Tokyo, in particular Tokyo SPA. Having read so many good things about this place. One of the report on ISG said that the girls are eye candy, the service superior, but that it was costly. Our assessment was that only the last statement was true, for the time we were there. The 3 girls we saw around 4 pm were rather GND, and the service was rather inferior, IMO. My girl could not blow shit, and I could perform a better HJ than her.
By now, it was desperation time, and I decided to reach out to fellow monger, MutantChicken. Unfortunately, our schedules did not align very well, and by the time he responded to my plea for help, I had resolved my biggest issue, where to find FS. For me, BJ and HJ just don't do it. I need the poon, and we finally found it in BV land. Now, we were content and I wished that we had picked a hotel in that area. Not a problem, as soon as my initial reservation, at Harmony Saigon, ran out, I moved there. My wingmen decided to stay put at HS.
This was Halloween weekend and BV was hopping all 3 nights, Saturday through Monday night. The street was so crowded and jammed that we could not walk anywhere. Everything stopped, it was crazy. Thank God there was not a stampede, as there were families with grandpas, grandmas, and young children. In the meantime, we camped at our drinking fountain. There were a couple of bars with enough FLs to satisfy 3 pussy-hungry amigos. Granted, it was expensive for a quickie at 2 M a session plus drinks / barfine, but better than nothing.
Some of us did also enjoy getting a daily massage from those young, beautiful Viet girls, a legit massage but nonetheless, quite erotic.
One night, we had dinner at this Vietnamese restaurant at a BV cross street. Towards the end, a fast talking young Viet teenager brought 3 of their servers at our table and started the negotiations. Never mind that this restaurant had only 3 female servers that night. In trying to decipher his offer, we concluded that he wanted 2 M barfine and 2. 5 M per session, for each girl. We started laughing, then he changed his story and offered the girls for 1 M each, but only for 10 min. We paid our dinner bill, the bill for the girls drink and left empty handed.
A few observations:
It appears that the Vietnamese society is fairly conservative, and as a result mongering activities seem to require quite a bit of discretion. That was quite a surprise to us, being used to Thailand. As a result, we could see FLs walking on the street but we could not approach them easily or they simply ignored us. Language was definitely a big handicap, despite my shitty iPhone translation apps. Also, there was a clear bias against older mongers. Working girls were happy to help us spend our money, and they were trying to overcharge us for everything but some of them did not appear willing to deliver. Local folks were trying to scam us everywhere, girls and men alike, so we were on our guards the whole time. In conclusion, not sure we will be coming this way in the near future, even though I had a good time myself.
[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1940165]I'm happy to report that the scene at Apocolypse Now is alive and well. I know the old-timers / regulars on the HCMC forums aren't fans, but for occasional travellers it's a great venue. Prices are still 2 MM (although of course some girls ask for more. Maybe 3 MM or 100 USD, but none of a half dozen balked at my counter-offer of 2 MM). There are some real beauties (IMO), and I do like the vibe there. Check it out if you happen to be in town and looking for company, it's definitely worth a visit if you like the WG bar scene.[/QUOTE]For comparison, the P2 P freelancer pick-up bars in Manila have girls 1/2 the looks or worse. Prices there are less. May of the girls at Apocolypse have not so great attitudes, especially when you consider Vietnamese are generally the most friendly people (no shallow nice) people you could meet.
I've been here about 4 months this year. I think many are confused by the hostess bars. As I am to a small extent.
Some locals tell me all the girls are available to take out. Others on here say not so. I do think it's a bit about age. They may say no if you're more than 30 years older than them, for example. Or if you have a bad attitude. It's there discretion. They are not paid anything from the bars!
It is the Asian guys that drive the prices up here. There is something in the Asian cultures where they don't want to pay little to bring a girl out, as they means. Well go figure.
But, the number of "working girls" in District 1 is actually astounding. I think 90% of them go with foreigner vietnamese and other Asians. Westerners like me just don't "get" this hostess idea.
My one good experience after blowing a little bar-girl drink money was someone I met who was one of the best performers ever in bed. Absolute GF experience, and a 9 for a body. In part maybe because we hit it off explains the performance.
First time was $30 to bar and $100 to her. Next time was about $100. We were together for about 4-5 hours each time and she stayed wet longer than almost anyone I've been with of 50+ girls (I can hold off for hours).
Girls down by the back-packer street are "good to go" and maybe cheaper. Some of them may be more accustomed to western guys. There are plenty of serious lookers there. I almost took one last weekend.
BUT, I don't know what their performance is like. Also, these bars pay them nothing! Although somehow they are in fact "accountable" to the bars. Yes, the bar-girl drink thing there is ridiculous too expensive.
I have no idea what prices are like in PP or Bangkok or Manila right now. But, seems to me in Manila it would also be $100 and I think the girl would not be nearly as cute.
Also, the girl I went me told me most girls get just one bar-fine a week. So, you're not shagging someone that's doing it with a new guy every night. I'm quite sure she was not BS about that.
If you live here and are 30-50, feel free to ping me if you want to try to pick up some that are semi or no-pro. I'd rather not meet up with travelers, as it's just too damn hard to figure this place out until you've been here for 1+ month! Or, if you live in PP or Bangkok and have some great intel to trade if I visit there, ok, PM me.
Cheers,
Wander Luster.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1961455] I think many are confused by the hostess bars…Some locals tell me all the girls are available to take out...[/QUOTE]I certainly was and I experienced the same thing in PP last year. MY wingman, who was blonde and decent looking, hooked up with one cutie, but at the end he ended paying for quite a few drinks and got nothing for it. After 2 evening trying, I told him he is on his own. I was not willing to pay for drinks so that he can get laid. The girls I got did not show much inclination to go home with me, and honestly I was not interested in them either.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1961455]...Girls down by the back-packer street are "good to go" and maybe cheaper. Some of them may be more accustomed to western guys. There are plenty of serious lookers there...[/QUOTE]Yes, I was there last week and I had a good time in BV land. Met a few cuties and had the best of times.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1961455]...I have no idea what prices are like in PP or Bangkok or Manila right now. But, seems to me in Manila it would also be $100 and I think the girl would not be nearly as cute…[/QUOTE]I think prices are similar to HCMC for top tier, although I felt they were a bit higher in HCMC. Also, in PP, BKK, or the PI, you have choices as to how much you want to pay. I did not get the feeling that I had too many choices in HCMC. It was 2 M almost everywhere for me. It was also my first time there, and that may explain some of the prices I got.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;1961510]I certainly was and I experienced the same thing in PP last year. MY wingman, who was blonde and decent looking, hooked up with one cutie, but at the end he ended paying for quite a few drinks and got nothing for it. After 2 evening trying, I told him he is on his own. I was not willing to pay for drinks so that he can get laid. The girls I got did not show much inclination to go home with me, and honestly I was not interested in them either.
Yes, I was there last week and I had a good time in BV land. Met a few cuties and had the best of times.[/QUOTE]I think there is some confusion between the hostess bars in "Lower Pasteur", near Bitexco and those in BV. Lower Pasteur bars definitely do not have bar fines as far as I know because they would lose all their staff right after happy hour. I think the sleaziest might be the ones grouped together on Pasteur near the new shopping center as they seem to be "buy a drink for a grope" type situations but still don't think any of them do bar fines. Correct me if I am wrong.
BV though. I assume they are? I realize it is easy and plentiful in BV but it has too many hazards and ripoffs. Be careful if you are mongering there.
I went to Chill twice during my stay in Vietnam as part of a small group each time and I can say that 1) yes there are WGs there and 2) they are a minority of the population, maybe only 10-20% of the women at the club. This place is a very fun, high end club. But it does seem to start and stop relatively early, peak times seem to be between 10 and 12. Both times we stayed till about 1, even though on Friday night, the place is open until 4.
This place was ALL men at 10:30 Wednesday night except for the bar staff. The WGs didn't start coming in until a little after 11 and mainly after midnight. I came in to the club with a girl and I had to hold her close to me so no one would bother her! This is while I and my girl were trying to be wingman for another friend, he was able to finally hook up with a very nice girl for $200 USD.
[QUOTE=DocInHeat;1964438] he was able to finally hook up with a very nice girl for $200 USD.[/QUOTE]Fuck this shit.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1964449]Fuck this shit.[/QUOTE]Right on, I hook up with 19-20 yr olds that are 8-9's 1 shot under 500 k ie 25 sud, if I want overnight its 1. 5 mill-2 mi ie 10 pm till morning.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1964451]Right on, I hook up with 19-20 yr olds that are 8-9's 1 shot under 500 k ie 25 sud, if I want overnight its 1. 5 mill-2 mi ie 10 pm till morning.[/QUOTE]Agree with this. Our fellow mongers. The overnight rate is about 1. 5 M to 2 M. Please do not let that become overinflated.
The market rate for ST is still 300 k-500 k, rarely go above that for exceptional model type (6-800 k for some "gai goi cao cap" or "luxury" models).
Check out [URL]thiendia.com[/URL] and [URL]kynu.net[/URL] for market research. (fluency in Vietnamese or handy with google translate to take full advantage of the sites).
Enjoy Vietnam.
Yes, I know he overpaid. And I told him. But he didn't want to negotiate or have me negotiate for him, since he was in HCMC only for 2 nights. And it was LT until noon the next day.
It's my experience, hookers and their pimps in Vietnam go all out to gouge foreigners mercilessly.
Bar and Wechat girls all want 1.2 Mil Vnd for ST after buying them many Saigon teas. I jokingly offered 600 K to a Wechat girl with very good-looking pics, lo and behold, she quickly accepted. She was from the provinces, sitting around a pussy bar all night for weeks without doing any business, had no idea how to get to my hotel. I told her to take a moto om.
She showed up looking significantly heavier and less attractive than her Wechat pics. I was losing interests, but 600 K was only $30 and It was so late. Then she took off her clothes showing her shriveled droopy boobs and flabby folds of fat on her tummy. I was disgusted so just closed my eyes and got it over with. She did the same quick sex routine all Dist 1 girls do: CBJ, CG, roll over into Missionary without interrupting the insertion, buck her butt to get me off quickly. It was one of the worst, most callous sex experience in my life anywhere in the world.
Bar and Wechat girls in district 1 are some of the most cunning, ruthless, callous and mercenary creatures, the shame of Viet people.
I searched [URL]KYNU.NET[/URL] and [URL]THIENDIA.COM[/URL] and found many good-looking girls in dist 10 with sweet, sexy, caring attitudes. They do 400 K to 600 K ST to locals. Had some very good sessions with them. Gave their phone numbers and rates to a few bros. The bros should try to find young Uber drivers who can arrange sessions with these girls.
[QUOTE=NguyetLang;1964684]Agree with this. Our fellow mongers. The overnight rate is about 1. 5 M to 2 M. Please do not let that become overinflated.
The market rate for ST is still 300 k-500 k, rarely go above that for exceptional model type (6-800 k for some "gai goi cao cap" or "luxury" models).
Check out [URL]thiendia.com[/URL] and [URL]kynu.net[/URL] for market research. (fluency in Vietnamese or handy with google translate to take full advantage of the sites).
Enjoy Vietnam.[/QUOTE]I've tried those sites, and the girl that arrived was different from the girl in the ad. I contacted a white skinned girl and a black girl showed up.
Do you have any advice on how to make sure I get a luxury model? I'm willing to go 6-800,00 dong if she is white, young with nice boobs and not covered with tattoos.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1964836]I've tried those sites, and the girl that arrived was different from the girl in the ad. I contacted a white skinned girl and a black girl showed up.
Do you have any advice on how to make sure I get a luxury model? I'm willing to go 6-800,00 dong if she is white, young with nice boobs and not covered with tattoos.[/QUOTE]No thing magic, just lots of readings through the comments, it you don't speak the language, I imagine it could be tidious with google translate.
Some girl have the green label "Da kiem dinh" means "have been checked" . That means more than one fellow mongers have verified the merchandise is as advertised. These are very few, but if you see one, chances are likely that she is good. Example of green label below, caveat: I have not checked this lady, so take it FWIW.
http://thiendia.com/diendan/threads/gai-goi-quan-10-ngo-dong-ms-8570-gai-mien-tay-ma-lum-dong-tien-de-thuong.1035635/
In general I have more success with [URL]thiendia.com[/URL]. It appears that website has more mongers participation than papasan participation, the comments / feedback seem more genuine and more truthful.
Good luck and happy hunting.
Peter.
[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1964732]It's my experience, hookers and their pimps in Vietnam go all out to gouge foreigners mercilessly.
Bar and Wechat girls all want 1.2 Mil Vnd for ST after buying them many Saigon teas. I jokingly offered 600 K to a Wechat girl with very good-looking pics, lo and behold, she quickly accepted. She was from the provinces, sitting around a pussy bar all night for weeks without doing any business, had no idea how to get to my hotel. I told her to take a moto om.
She showed up looking significantly heavier and less attractive than her Wechat pics. I was losing interests, but 600 K was only $30 and It was so late. Then she took off her clothes showing her shriveled droopy boobs and flabby folds of fat on her tummy. I was disgusted so just closed my eyes and got it over with. She did the same quick sex routine all Dist 1 girls do: CBJ, CG, roll over into Missionary without interrupting the insertion, buck her butt to get me off quickly..[/QUOTE]I was going to drop a WeChat comment so may was well do it here. I finally got it so my email didn't show up in my profile page so I checked it out. It seems the range was further before. But it is 50% or more massage girls, isn't it? I am always looking for over 30 and found a possible independent operator who said 2 hours for 100 USD. She looked way cute in her photos, but yeah, it is hard to trust that type of action, for me anyhow, and won't I see her at Apo some time?
I'm interested in the Viet sites but I am really only interested in over 30 for some reason. So much, I grabbed a chubby cutey from a BV bar in the middle of the day. Afternoon Delight Thai style methinks. She was 35 and seemed sweet enough but was all business in the room. Quite good too but she just wanted me to cum so I did what I could and split quick.
SO is back in town soon, so I will have to go undercover but let me know if you uncover any decent over 30's (maybe I should drop it to 25?) that need a part-time "Sugar Daddy".
To be clear, I don't live in Vietnam so my knowledge is that of a tourist, not a local.
However, I went out with a local and we hit Cafe Dalat Pho on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, a couple blocks from the Bui Vien area. It's a huge air-con cafe, quiet, leafy, where families would gather.
The local guy told me about a dozen mid 30's women, sitting at 2 tables, were hanging out, not talking, waiting for guys to hit on them for friendship, date or sex for the night. They look old in their 30's, flabby and desperate to my taste, so I did not bother.
You just have to mosey over, smile and introduce yourself, talk to all of them, get their phone numbers and pick them up one by one for dates. Locals usually go to movies where they make out in the dark, get horny then rent cheap hotels by the hours for sex.
[QUOTE=ActionGG;1965262]SO is back in town soon, so I will have to go undercover but let me know if you uncover any decent over 30's (maybe I should drop it to 25?) that need a part-time "Sugar Daddy".[/QUOTE]
- Things have changed tremendously since the 1992. Bui Vien is packed with backpackers and locals. There are many more massage places, with girls harassing you for "massa". Didn't check it out. People on this board are writing that in some places, you can get a HJ (maybe more) for very high prices. No thanks.
- One difference from last year is that there were many guys on bicycles, offering you "massa, boom boom, young girl". Some of the guys don't look like the normal massage guys. I may know one reason. Previously, those touts were on moto-bikes offering to take you to a short time hotel where the girls were at. Now, at least one of the short time hotels might be very close. There is a tout in front of the Huynh Ah or Hy An? Guesthouse (on Do Quang Dau - this is the street parallel to De Tham connecting Bui Bien and Pham Ngu Lao) offering girls. He says, "boom boom, young girl, 1 hour, $70". I didn't check it out.
- I was walking back to Bui Vien, and another tout on a bicycle asked, "massa, boom boom". I pointed to that guesthouse and asked, "over there". He nodded yes. I said, "$70 - too expensive! Then he pointed away from the backpacker scene, and said, "$35, 2 minute walk, boom boom, young girl". I didn't check it out.
- A previous post indicated that short time hotels might change. If anyone wants to check it out before it changes, just walk on that street, and you will be offered.
NOTE: On a previous post about Lilly's, I got confused and gave incorrect information. I confused it with 185 Happy Life. The owner's name of that bar is Lilly. Disregard my previous post about Lilly's.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1965661]- Things have changed-There are many more massage places, with girls harassing you for "massa". Didn't check it out.
He says, "boom boom, young girl, 1 hour, $70". I didn't check it out.
"$35, 2 minute walk, boom boom, young girl". I didn't check it out.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insightful field report of all the places you checked out.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1965703]Thanks for the insightful field report of all the places you checked out.[/QUOTE]Geez! I did give the current location of the short time guesthouse/brothel in the Bui Vien area (major backpacker/tourist area). I believe no one has given that info previously.
Are aren't any brothels on Bui Vien.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1965995]Are aren't any brothels on Bui Vien.[/QUOTE]I was there a few weeks ago. I found 3 bars which have girls for take out, but it was big time scamming. The girls wanted 2 M dongs and the bar wanted 300 K in drinks. One bar also requested a bar fine of 300 K. Then you have to add the cost of ST hotel room.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1965890]Geez! I did give the current location of the short time guesthouse/brothel in the Bui Vien area (major backpacker/tourist area). I believe no one has given that info previously.[/QUOTE]When he says brothel he probably means "staging area" there are a few hotels / gust houses around d1 which serve as a staging area you go there they will contact the various motogirls that operate in d1, and then you will be charged 50 usd plus whatever fees they think they can get from you, then rather paying 100 k for a room you will be charged 400-500 k for a room.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;1966060]I was there a few weeks ago. I found 3 bars which have girls for take out, but it was big time scamming. The girls wanted 2 M dongs and the bar wanted 300 K in drinks. One bar also requested a bar fine of 300 K. Then you have to add the cost of ST hotel room.[/QUOTE]There are more than 3. They are bars though, not brothels. You have to buy drinks, pay a barfine & a ST Room plus the girl and then she might even want a tip too. A brothel is all inclusive.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1965995]Are aren't any brothels on Bui Vien.[/QUOTE]OK. I did not use the proper adjective.
Not sure if the guesthouse is a "staging area", or if the girls were already in the rooms. My impression was that the girls were already in the room, where I can look at them.
If anyone else is in the area, it would be nice if they would "check it out", and put out a field report. That would satisfy AmericanThief.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;1966114]OK. I did not use the proper adjective.
Not sure if the guesthouse is a "staging area", or if the girls were already in the rooms. My impression was that the girls were already in the room, where I can look at them.
If anyone else is in the area, it would be nice if they would "check it out", and put out a field report. That would satisfy AmericanThief.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls that are "bar girls" but work like "hostess girls" live VERY close by. They don't want to use their rooms for P2 P since they share with 4-8 other girls. This is an expensive area to live and they want to send money home (thus the 4-8 sharing an apartment).
However, I went with a freelancer and we just took her motor-bike to an apartment building about 1 minute ride away. I paid for room, but very very little. Don't even remember how much.
Guess my point is, doesn't really matter about this place mentioned. If you want to go with a girl, just go to a short-term hotel within 2 minutes away or an apartment as I did. I think that's super cheap. Yes the costs add up.
I don't think the girls around there are out to steal or really cause problems. They're basically working for bars. It they do something bad like actually stealing or really lieing bad, they're in trouble.
If you don't know, the money to the bar goes to some / large extent to the cops. Cops in HCMC take bribe money from EVERYONE. That includes a motor bike riders that did NOTHING wrong. They pull 'em over and extract bribe. They also like to pull over cute girls for nothing and intimidate them. They're not all bad. Not sure how bad.
I was at Apocalypse last night, a Wednesday at about 11:45. There were some lookers. Prices are similar to hostess bars! But I guess they are better looking there. The girl I went with was better looking then the relatively "upscale" bar-clubs in Cebu I used to go with. She was good for 2-3 hours for $125. I could maybe have gone to $100. Not sure.
By way of comparison, those "relatively upscale clubs" were like $40 for 3 hours. Then, Arena or Jaguar which had tons of "model material" was $100. Like all over SE Asia I'd guess that's all 2 X now as compared to 10 years ago. Manila was ridiculous last year. Maybe a bit better than HCMC. Some of the freelance in Makati was HORRIBLE value / quality girls. Other places was better than HCMC in freelance bar.
I'm curious how much different "value" HCMC is than Bangkok for a GF experience P4P? I'm curious about that and will find out. I'm going to Bangkok for work for a week soon. Nights are all off for me to do my comparisons. I live in HCMC most of the year for work. Hit me up with PM if you have intel to share and will be in Bangkok in the next 2 months (also Phnom Penh I'll go later) in next 2 months and we can trade notes over a beer.
Cheers,
WL
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1966125]I'm curious how much different "value" HCMC is than Bangkok for a GF experience P4P? I'm curious about that and will find out. I'm going to Bangkok for work for a week soon. Nights are all off for me to do my comparisons. I live in HCMC most of the year for work. Hit me up with PM if you have intel to share and will be in Bangkok in the next 2 months (also Phnom Penh I'll go later) in next 2 months and we can trade notes over a beer.
Cheers,
WL[/QUOTE]I can speak from some experience that there are a lot of great options in BKK. The oilies of Sukhumvit, where one can find no-holes-barred PSE and GFE sex, are my favorite. Also lots of FL action in Sukhumvit where can negotiate ST / LT with non-pros. The go-gos are a target-rich environment, but lady drinks, bar fines and the price of the girl mean it's tougher to find a bargain.
Quite the opposite, I'm heading to HCMC soon for the first time as part of a longer trip to Vietnam. Looking forward to seeing how the action compares to BKK. I really want to negotiate some overnights, but the market seems to not be as service-oriented as I'm accustomed to in Thailand.
Bui Vien:
Last night there was a stabbing. Foreigner against foreigner, no news yet but rumored to be a Russian guy.
Also, there's been talk about touts on Bui Vien offering things from sunglasses, motorbike rentals even marijuana and girls, but this hasn't been verified yet.
Been to Bangkok a dozen times and spent many extended holidays there, I've also lived in Vietnam for years. I can't really summarize the difference. It would end up being TLDR material.
If I could take the heart of a Thai girl and put it into the body of a Vietnamese girl with the fashion sense of a Japanese girl and the brain of a Korean girl then I'd have the perfect GFE.
[QUOTE=McRib;1966465]I can speak from some experience that there are a lot of great options in BKK. The oilies of Sukhumvit, where one can find no-holes-barred PSE and GFE sex, are my favorite. Also lots of FL action in Sukhumvit where can negotiate ST / LT with non-pros. The go-gos are a target-rich environment, but lady drinks, bar fines and the price of the girl mean it's tougher to find a bargain.
Quite the opposite, I'm heading to HCMC soon for the first time as part of a longer trip to Vietnam. Looking forward to seeing how the action compares to BKK. I really want to negotiate some overnights, but the market seems to not be as service-oriented as I'm accustomed to in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your thoughts. Yea, there's much more about "learning the ropes" here unless paying $120 for ST is no prob for you. Many people would say the escorts are the best because really prices for foreigners are expected to be bumpted up by huge amount more if in the "more normal" locations or spots where there are more than 1/3 foreigners. That is not like Thailand or Cambodia. If you're here for at least two weeks and focus just on the Escort scene, maybe that works. They won't speak any English and you need to reach them via texting. Then there are basic things to know about all that which many on here do not agree on. Really I think this is the city to be if you want a GF! That can also be tougher to "get things going" than Thailand for sure, but once she is your GF she is awesom. And grils DO like Westerners here IMHO for BF. PM me if you like.
WL.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1968572]Thanks for your thoughts. Yea, there's much more about "learning the ropes" here unless paying $120 for ST is no prob for you. Many people would say the escorts are the best because really prices for foreigners are expected to be bumpted up by huge amount more if in the "more normal" locations or spots where there are more than 1/3 foreigners. That is not like Thailand or Cambodia. If you're here for at least two weeks and focus just on the Escort scene, maybe that works. They won't speak any English and you need to reach them via texting. Then there are basic things to know about all that which many on here do not agree on. Really I think this is the city to be if you want a GF! That can also be tougher to "get things going" than Thailand for sure, but once she is your GF she is awesome. And grils DO like Westerners here IMHO for BF. PM me if you like.
WL.[/QUOTE]For better or worse, I will only be in HCMC for about four days. I had to bracket my trip with stops in Bangkok, where I know I'll find guaranteed fun. So I'm coming to Vietnam with no expectations. In Saigon I'll be sure to book a girl-friendly room and see what happens. $120ST is too rich for me. Sounds like a local cell is a must.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1968572] Really I think this is the city to be if you want a GF! That can also be tougher to "get things going" than Thailand for sure, but once she is your GF she is awesom. And grils DO like Westerners here IMHO for BF.
[/QUOTE]I agree but in my experience if the girl is attractive she asks for money, a lot of money. I mean $1000 to "get things going. " If she is not asking for money then she is immediately talking about marriage, kids, meeting the family to "get things going. " I have not found anything in between.
I have some friends, but they are like twenty something that got attractive girls for no money, but when you get older you have to make a sacrifice. Either go the money route or marry the girl.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1968912]I agree but in my experience if the girl is attractive she asks for money, a lot of money. I mean $1000 to "get things going. " If she is not asking for money then she is immediately talking about marriage, kids, meeting the family to "get things going. " I have not found anything in between.
I have some friends, but they are like twenty something that got attractive girls for no money, but when you get older you have to make a sacrifice. Either go the money route or marry the girl.[/QUOTE]You are spot on. I'm over my youthful 30-something ages, and much has changed. The only "sweet-spot" is there are a lot of 30-35 year olds that are hot and will go out guys in their 40's no problem. The 4 I was with most wan't zero help with money, as they were all in good jobs and this country is not as obsessed with money as others, IMO. But, yes, there is really no "middle," they all want marriage considerations (subtlety though it may be, or not) if there is sex. And children.
If you can find the 30-sometings that had a western BF, they "get it" about casual sex. If they haven't done travel and met westerners (in Balik or Thailand for example) they are almost all traditional which is crazy frustrating.
The two girls I banged on 1st and 2nd date, respectively, had both had boyfriends from the West.
If a guy is 20- 35, he's got it made. There are many mid 20 hotties looking to be with western guys, it's a status thing for sure and something they're very curious about. They've see a lot of American / European movies and casual sex is ok. Plus there are many that are waiting to over 30 to get married.
WL.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1966635]
If I could take the heart of a Thai girl and put it into the body of a Vietnamese girl with the fashion sense of a Japanese girl and the brain of a Korean girl then I'd have the perfect GFE.[/QUOTE]My kind of girl!
+the liver of a Welsh, the gut of a Serbian, the hips of a Ukranian, the sphincter of a Venezuelan, the list goes on.
Let the collages begin.
[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1965390]To be clear, I don't live in Vietnam so my knowledge is that of a tourist, not a local.
However, I went out with a local and we hit Cafe Dalat Pho on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, a couple blocks from the Bui Vien area. It's a huge air-con cafe, quiet, leafy, where families would gather.
The local guy told me about a dozen mid 30's women, sitting at 2 tables, were hanging out, not talking, waiting for guys to hit on them for friendship, date or sex for the night. They look old in their 30's, flabby and desperate to my taste, so I did not bother.
You just have to mosey over, smile and introduce yourself, talk to all of them, get their phone numbers and pick them up one by one for dates. Locals usually go to movies where they make out in the dark, get horny then rent cheap hotels by the hours for sex.[/QUOTE]Anyone else have any luck at this Cafe Dalat Pho that young Skywalker has mentioned so many times? Been meaning to check it out as I'd love to try me some MILf Viet action.
The Boob.
Mr Boob,
MILFs are everywhere. Its not just this cafe, but there are plenty of divorced women, single mothers and cheaters to be had here. And they too will ask for money eventually.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;1976229]Mr Boob,
MILFs are everywhere. Its not just this cafe, but there are plenty of divorced women, single mothers and cheaters to be had here. And they too will ask for money eventually.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the quick reply, Mr. Thief.
As far as I've read, it seems like there are two sources for someone like me to find such fine vintage women--WeChat and sites like thiendia. The websites are OK, but not ideal because they're obviously P4P and block out the ladies' faces. On the other hand, WeChat seems like it's really hit or miss, not to mention the hassle of having to set up a separate anonymous account just for MILF mongering. Are there others sources that I am missing? I'd prefer to go to a place, like the aforementioned cafe, where I can check out the goods before purchasing, which is important I think when you're dealing with MILFs, and where I can at least indulge my imagination in possibly getting that rare freebie. I'll report back here if I do end up going, although it's been mentioned so many times without anyone else really saying much, that I'm a little doubtful anything will pan out.
The Boob.
[QUOTE=BoobyBoob;1976144]Anyone else have any luck at this Cafe Dalat Pho that young Skywalker has mentioned so many times? Been meaning to check it out as I'd love to try me some MILf Viet action.
The Boob.[/QUOTE]Mr Boob,
Not only the Lat Pho, lots of cafe in Saigon, you will see MILF sitting there, either alone or with friends. But up to my understanding, they don't speak English mostly.
If you ready to pay, then is easy, otherwise, you need to sweet talk to them to get them to bed.
If you look for younger teenager, try Phuc Long cafe, I been fished one girl in Phuc long, she is university student.
Good luck and happy hunting bro.
[QUOTE=Minmax321;1976270]Mr Boob,
Not only the Lat Pho, lots of cafe in Saigon, you will see MILF sitting there, either alone or with friends. But up to my understanding, they don't speak English mostly.
If you ready to pay, then is easy, otherwise, you need to sweet talk to them to get them to bed.
If you look for younger teenager, try Phuc Long cafe, I been fished one girl in Phuc long, she is university student.
Good luck and happy hunting bro.[/QUOTE]Hey,
Thanks for the tip Minmax. I used to spend a lot of time in Saigon coffee shops and would occasionally see some MILFs with their friends. Thing is, from what I could tell, these were just regular ladies having coffee with their girlfriends and likely not looking for any play. Since I don't have the personality type to cold approach every MILF I find attractive, I thought Dalat Pho, at least the way the son of Skywalker was describing it, was a place where the ladies are actually sitting around waiting / expecting to be approached. Maybe you guys are right and these lonely, horny MILFs are all around me and I just haven't paid enough attention. There always seem to be attractive MILFs at the various Coffee Beans around town, but I've never had the balls to approach. I mean, how embarrassing would it be turned away by the wife of someone you work with, or worse yet, someone your wife works with?
[QUOTE=BoobyBoob;1976258]Thanks for the quick reply, Mr. Thief.
As far as I've read, it seems like there are two sources for someone like me to find such fine vintage women--WeChat and sites like thiendia. The websites are OK, but not ideal because they're obviously P4P and block out the ladies' faces. On the other hand, WeChat seems like it's really hit or miss, not to mention the hassle of having to set up a separate anonymous account just for MILF mongering. Are there others sources that I am missing? I'd prefer to go to a place, like the aforementioned cafe, where I can check out the goods before purchasing, which is important I think when you're dealing with MILFs, and where I can at least indulge my imagination in possibly getting that rare freebie. I'll report back here if I do end up going, although it's been mentioned so many times without anyone else really saying much, that I'm a little doubtful anything will pan out.
The Boob.[/QUOTE]Haha yeah. I am in the same boat. I went to Dalat Pho but don't like the layout. I just went to one more my style that I will definitely hit again. I like those kind of cafes anyhow and always need some slack. Same level of society. Various levels of MILF to grandmas etc. But yeah, if I had the game to just approach women, I wouldn't need to monger-haha! But I am fit for 50 and try to dress nice in these places, so I just need a little luck I guess. Of course, you could hang out in hotel bars and cafes around Dong Khoi and probably be more likely to find ones actually working.
IF you want to put in time, more and more over-30 (mostly single moms natch) are showing up in the lower-Pasteur street bars, and there are still more opening! Spotted the first ladyboy at Amore I the other night. I have a semi-regular mid-30's lady I met at Apo years ago. Very cool and accommodating, a little chubby but so good in bed. The only problem is she is falling for me.
Also, I was on Bui Vien last Saturday around midnight and while the center "Bia Hoi" area was packed, I noticed that the "girl bars" around and down Do Quang Dau were all completely empty. Are they really trying to charge 500 K bar fines now? Then at the corner of Do Quang Dau I ran into a very homely girl in square-frame glasses who asked me "Hello, Where you go? You go with me?" "You're very direct," I replied. "Direct is best. " Probably an intelligent girl caught up in meth addiction.
[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1965390]To be clear, I don't live in Vietnam so my knowledge is that of a tourist, not a local.
However, I went out with a local and we hit Cafe Dalat Pho on Nguyen Thi Minh Khai, a couple blocks from the Bui Vien area. It's a huge air-con cafe, quiet, leafy, where families would gather.
The local guy told me about a dozen mid 30's women, sitting at 2 tables, were hanging out, not talking, waiting for guys to hit on them for friendship, date or sex for the night. They look old in their 30's, flabby and desperate to my taste, so I did not bother.
You just have to mosey over, smile and introduce yourself, talk to all of them, get their phone numbers and pick them up one by one for dates. Locals usually go to movies where they make out in the dark, get horny then rent cheap hotels by the hours for sex.[/QUOTE]So I checked out Cafe Dalat Pho yesterday. Maybe it was because I went on a weekday during the daytime (around 2-3 pm), but I didn't see any large groups of women hanging out and not talking. I scouted the open air courtyard out front (empty except for 2 MILF ladies discussing business), the main room inside (families, Vietnamese businessmen, and young guys just hanging out--typical of these kinds of cafes in Saigon), the courtyard out back (empty), as well as the basement seating area (empty except for a few couples in hidden crannies). Is there a better time to go?
You will probably have better luck on weekends after 8 PM when people are off work and have time to socialize.
[QUOTE=BoobyBoob;1977360]So I checked out Cafe Dalat Pho yesterday. Maybe it was because I went on a weekday during the daytime (around 2-3 pm), but I didn't see any large groups of women hanging out and not talking. I scouted the open air courtyard out front (empty except for 2 MILF ladies discussing business), the main room inside (families, Vietnamese businessmen, and young guys just hanging out--typical of these kinds of cafes in Saigon), the courtyard out back (empty), as well as the basement seating area (empty except for a few couples in hidden crannies). Is there a better time to go?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Minmax321;1976270]Mr Boob,
Not only the Lat Pho, lots of cafe in Saigon, you will see MILF sitting there, either alone or with friends. But up to my understanding, they don't speak English mostly.
If you ready to pay, then is easy, otherwise, you need to sweet talk to them to get them to bed.
If you look for younger teenager, try Phuc Long cafe, I been fished one girl in Phuc long, she is university student.
Good luck and happy hunting bro.[/QUOTE]I've been working / living here 5 months this year. Over 32 usually have poor English compared to under 28. Very clear to me. So, therein lies the challenge for the women in 30's. I'm still perusing the 32, though!
[QUOTE=BoobyBoob;1976453]Hey,
Thanks for the tip Minmax. I used to spend a lot of time in Saigon coffee shops and would occasionally see some MILFs with their friends. Thing is, from what I could tell, these were just regular ladies having coffee with their girlfriends and likely not looking for any play. Since I don't have the personality type to cold approach every MILF I find attractive, I thought Dalat Pho, at least the way the son of Skywalker was describing it, was a place where the ladies are actually sitting around waiting / expecting to be approached. Maybe you guys are right and these lonely, horny MILFs are all around me and I just haven't paid enough attention. There always seem to be attractive MILFs at the various Coffee Beans around town, but I've never had the balls to approach. I mean, how embarrassing would it be turned away by the wife of someone you work with, or worse yet, someone your wife works with?[/QUOTE]Hi Boob,
Honestly, I normally fish girl in zalo (Vietnam wechat), I was same as you, being embarrass to approach girl in cafe, but in Vietnam, I found that it was not that difficult (of course if you can speak bit Vietnam language, will be much easier, and I can speak a bit haha), what you need to do is to look at her and smile, if she was looking for "someone", she will smile back, and the signal is quite significant.
Actually besides MILF in cafe, you can try your luck in Lush (pub) too, most of them are young girl and speak little bit English, if you are lucky enough, maybe you could find a college girl be your local tour guide for few days, and of course, nothing come for free.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1977656]I've been working / living here 5 months this year. Over 32 usually have poor English compared to under 28. Very clear to me. So, therein lies the challenge for the women in 30's. I'm still perusing the 32, though![/QUOTE]Same here bro, I been working in SG few months last year.
All the girls I tried before are below 30 year old, there are my Tieng Viet teachers, haha.
But I think it is more easy to fish girl above 30 than below 30 yo, girl above 30 yo consider "old" here, they are not so choosy if compare to the teenager / youngster.
Wish to hear more excited sharing from you about Saigon.
Cheers bro.
[QUOTE=Minmax321;1977752]Same here bro, I been working in SG few months last year.
All the girls I tried before are below 30 year old, there are my Tieng Viet teachers, haha.
But I think it is more easy to fish girl above 30 than below 30 yo, girl above 30 yo consider "old" here, they are not so choosy if compare to the teenager / youngster.
Wish to hear more excited sharing from you about Saigon.
Cheers bro.[/QUOTE]Having spent a few years in and out of Hanoi, I agree, easy to find girl about age 30. My own experience is that I have found a couple of sexy older ladies, after some chatting with them online, met them in person and 10-20 minutes after meeting. I had my dick buried in their pussy putting a big load of cum in them. One gal invited me to her house a number of time, I met her teenage daughter that wanted to practice her english, when the daughter left, we went to Mom's bedroom and we practiced our sex positions. Both these gals had never experienced oral sex on them, and they quickly got "hooked" on this. Hehe.
I find the older women still sexy and honestly, they are so horny from either being married to dull VN guys, or divorced. They are up for anything.
GG.
[QUOTE=ActionGG;1976659]Haha yeah. I am in the same boat. I went to Dalat Pho but don't like the layout. I just went to one more my style that I will definitely hit again. I like those kind of cafes anyhow and always need some slack. Same level of society. Various levels of MILF to grandmas etc. But yeah, if I had the game to just approach women, I wouldn't need to monger-haha! But I am fit for 50 and try to dress nice in these places, so I just need a little luck I guess. Of course, you could hang out in hotel bars and cafes around Dong Khoi and probably be more likely to find ones actually working.
IF you want to put in time, more and more over-30 (mostly single moms natch) are showing up in the lower-Pasteur street bars, and there are still more opening! Spotted the first ladyboy at Amore I the other night. I have a semi-regular mid-30's lady I met at Apo years ago. Very cool and accommodating, a little chubby but so good in bed. The only problem is she is falling for me.[/QUOTE]Awesome, thanks for the tips ActionGG. Now, I'll definitely have to hit up some of those lower-Pasteur bars that you mention. I've never really been, and just assumed that they were the reincarnation of the old hooker bars that used to line lower HBT, since it seemed to me that they really only started cropping up after the arrival of Starbucks and the subsequent gentrification of HBT. Sorry for sounding like such a newbie, but where is Amore? I couldn't find it at all on Google. And thank you! For finally addressing my Dalat Pho question. I wrote this post before I went to check it out, but due to posting lag times, my (unfruitful) report on the cafe showed up first.
The Boob.
Hello,
I did visit my favorite very basic coffee shop a few days in a row. Very close to my hotel and 3 nice girls as staff. Because the drinks there are dirt cheap giving a tip is really easy. Their English is just bad. There is one who doesn't mind to feel my arms around her belly. First day I did give a tip to two of them but now I want to focus on the one that doesn't mind to be touched in a very innocent way.
Maybe I should use Google translate and try to invite her to my room. I know she stays upstairs with the female manager of the bar. They start working at noon so maybe I can invite her for English class in my room.
Any advice is welcome in how to proceed.
Greetings,
Frits
[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;1977884]Having spent a few years in and out of Hanoi, I agree, easy to find girl about age 30. My own experience is that I have found a couple of sexy older ladies, after some chatting with them online, met them in person and 10-20 minutes after meeting. I had my dick buried in their pussy putting a big load of cum in them. One gal invited me to her house a number of time, I met her teenage daughter that wanted to practice her english, when the daughter left, we went to Mom's bedroom and we practiced our sex positions. Both these gals had never experienced oral sex on them, and they quickly got "hooked" on this. Hehe.
I find the older women still sexy and honestly, they are so horny from either being married to dull VN guys, or divorced. They are up for anything.
GG.[/QUOTE]Bro GG,
You are so lucky.
And I had been fished few girls on Zalo. Because I know speak tieng viet a bit, haha.
Now I am looking for divorce lady in vietnamcupid too, haha.
Any good holes to share with me?
Cheer bro.
[QUOTE=BoobyBoob;1978004]Awesome, thanks for the tips ActionGG. Now, I'll definitely have to hit up some of those lower-Pasteur bars that you mention. I've never really been, and just assumed that they were the reincarnation of the old hooker bars that used to line lower HBT, since it seemed to me that they really only started cropping up after the arrival of Starbucks and the subsequent gentrification of HBT. Sorry for sounding like such a newbie, but where is Amore? I couldn't find it at all on Google. And thank you! For finally addressing my Dalat Pho question. I wrote this post before I went to check it out, but due to posting lag times, my (unfruitful) report on the cafe showed up first.
The Boob.[/QUOTE]The Lower Pasteur Street area bars are still not the most fruitful endeavor because the girls are good at gladly letting you buy drinks all night and then stuffing you in a taxi, with you mumbling, "What time do you finish. "as the door slams shut but, again, there are hookups with them, paid (seems more likely to find pros who are just there drinking which occurs occasionally) and unpaid, although I think the bars grouped across from Saigon Center (Tequila, Diamond, Cheers) are a little sleazier maybe.
Sorry, Amore just opened so many probably don't know it. Amore I is on Huỳnh Thúsee Kháng, on the second floor on the corner where the market street, number is maybe 29. It is open-air. Amore II is on Pasteur a few doors down from Vinyl and I think it is open-air also.
[QUOTE=Minmax321;1977748]Hi Boob,
Honestly, I normally fish girl in zalo (Vietnam wechat), I was same as you, being embarrass to approach girl in cafe, but in Vietnam, I found that it was not that difficult (of course if you can speak bit Vietnam language, will be much easier, and I can speak a bit haha), what you need to do is to look at her and smile, if she was looking for "someone", she will smile back, and the signal is quite significant.
Actually besides MILF in cafe, you can try your luck in Lush (pub) too, most of them are young girl and speak little bit English, if you are lucky enough, maybe you could find a college girl be your local tour guide for few days, and of course, nothing come for free.
Cheers![/QUOTE]I've been here too long to not know a lot about Lush, and I think even noobs to HCMC could use more info on it. I found that the best approach in Apocalypse Now is to smile and exchange just a few sentences, but then ask a freelance girl to come to the outdoor bar there. Otherwise, there's no conversation. I've "pulled" awesome freelancers with little to no conversation by dancing with them, but I prefer some verbal. I like freelance and those not looking for money over "bar girls" in Asia countries because it's more like a real hook-up. It's less of just based on money.
So, is there somewhere to pull a girl in Lush and talk even if in broken English? I know it has more non-freelance, looking for BF girls vs. Apo Now which is all freelancers and not cheap by standandards in nearby countries. What else works there? I was in a club like lush in Bangkok a few weeks ago and it was farrrr better than finding a bar-girl.
[QUOTE=Minmax321;1977752]Same here bro, I been working in SG few months last year.
All the girls I tried before are below 30 year old, there are my Tieng Viet teachers, haha.
But I think it is more easy to fish girl above 30 than below 30 yo, girl above 30 yo consider "old" here, they are not so choosy if compare to the teenager / youngster.
Wish to hear more excited sharing from you about Saigon.
Cheers bro.[/QUOTE]There are tons of Vietnamese free-lancerers in Singapore. You mean that's where you met them? "educated" and/or career-successful girls are PISSED OFF because they've been harassed going into Singapore. Customs treats any single Viet woman like shit, especially if she's good looking.
Overall, an early 30's girl is awesome in HCMC, I agree. If she's not a freelancer and you meet online or elsewhere, there's a much higher chance she will be "traditional" and not put out for a long time than if she's in 20s. 20 something girls are MUCH less traditional. 18 and 19 years old I think they may be the best in SEA, but you'd have to be young enough to play in that sand box (pun intended). Don't be fooled, guys, there are a lot of traditional Viet girls. That is very well known fact anyone that's been here a long time (longer than me) will confirm.
Vietnam is much better for finding a great GF: not so great for a hook-up. Bangkok, Indonesia, Philippines, and Cambodia are all far better for hook-ups with non pros or non freelance.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;1978648]There are tons of Vietnamese free-lancerers in Singapore. You mean that's where you met them? "educated" and/or career-successful girls are PISSED OFF because they've been harassed going into Singapore. Customs treats any single Viet woman like shit, especially if she's good looking.
Overall, an early 30's girl is awesome in HCMC, I agree. If she's not a freelancer and you meet online or elsewhere, there's a much higher chance she will be "traditional" and not put out for a long time than if she's in 20s. 20 something girls are MUCH less traditional. 18 and 19 years old I think they may be the best in SEA, but you'd have to be young enough to play in that sand box (pun intended). Don't be fooled, guys, there are a lot of traditional Viet girls. That is very well known fact anyone that's been here a long time (longer than me) will confirm.
Vietnam is much better for finding a great GF: not so great for a hook-up. Bangkok, Indonesia, Philippines, and Cambodia are all far better for hook-ups with non pros or non freelance.[/QUOTE]Never explore to Cambodia & Philippines, but heard lots of the exciting story there, will explore one day.
Went to Apo Friday night. Drinks flowing and lots of pretty girls all over. Best to come about 11 pm to get a seat and see the girls as they arrive. My buddy talked to one girl nearby. She seemed stuck up. I waved her over to us, but she wouldn't move. So I tried to warn my bud but he didn't listen. She wouldn't even lean over or move 2 feet to say Hi. We were at the table right next to her. He went over to talk for a few minutes. No deal. After a few rounds my two buddies left. I stayed and found a cutie and took her back to my hotel. A good session at night and another romp in the early afternoon. Donation was 1. 5 m for the night. She left about 2 pm. Side note, my girl turned out to be pretty sweet. She even straightened up my dirty clothes from the other night. I had some underware, 2 t-shirts and a pair of shorts from Thursday night lying in a chair. She folded them all up and placed them in the closet. Wasn't really necessary because they were dirty anyway and they were not in the way of anything. But it was still a nice little gesture. Might need to repeat with this one before I go.
After thinking of going to Benny's again (I went there yesterday for the first time) I decided to try something new. Since I am only staying 3 days, I wanted to explore.
I went for a foot massage at Bui Vien and I was approached by a hot lady working on Violet Spa (Early 30's) that suggested a BJ for 500 after I refused a happy ending (I am not paying for something I can do my self). After reading not very good reports about Bui Vien although very tempted I didn't proceed. Walked back at my hotel to get some money and at the door the bell boy asked me if I wanted a girl for a mil ST. Another temptation. I guess a guy alone in HCM is assumed to be looking for pussy. Anyway, the fact that I had no control over who the girl is going to be so I declined and left for Apo around 11:30.
Not too many girls maybe a ratio of 1/1. But most were very good looking (20 to 30 years old). I approached two of the best looking ones and both said 3000 k for ST. No negotiations, no discussion, which turned me off. They both told me that this is the price for ST for all girls. Probably too early to drop the price.
After going back by the pool table a thin relatively tall hottie, called Vy, came and sat next to me. Her English was ok, you could have a basic conversation. She asked for 3 mil and I firmly said 1.5 mil is my max. But she did not leave. She was quite pushy but in a nice way. Very professional, which in my book is a good sign.
Anyhow, 15 minutes later we agreed on 1.7 for ST (I probably overpaid but I liked her and 200 k difference is not a big deal). Came back to my hotel (Minh Vy. Super small rooms but very clean and new), no problem of course, just left her ID at the desk.
No surprises when she took her clothes of. Long legs (tall for a Viet girl -1.65) super tight body, no sign of fat anywhere, an unbelievable round ass. A solid 9+ in terms of body, maybe an 8 face. Sweet but not a model's face. We showered together, BBBJ and all positions. Definitely GF experience, very nice girl indeed. Money well spend.
I liked her so much that I asked her to come by tomorrow for 1.2 mil (ST).
Beer price at Apo 130 k dong. Ouch.
Benny's is a good value I believe for 400 k, although I have not tried any other BJ joint. I hate the fact that there is very little privacy (I could see the guy next door). A bit mechanical but the girl let me stick my fingers in her pussy and she actually asked me to touch her boobs. She was a bit perky but she gave an excellent BJ, as some mention a pornstar level of service.
[QUOTE=BebeLac;2005217]After thinking of going to Benny's again (I went there yesterday for the first time) I decided to try something new. Since I am only staying 3 days, I wanted to explore.
Anyway, the fact that I had no control over who the girl is going to be so I declined and left for Apo around 11:30.
[/QUOTE]Well done report. I live in HCMC and have been to Apo about 8 times in the last 5 months. The game can be fun there. If you learn how to play it. The girls that speak very little English are the ones that will also go with you for far less, maybe 1. 5, even if they are super hot. In general, I find it's always a bit of a crap-shoot and the girl at the bar is not the same as the one in your bed. I've had amazing GF experience, boring pro experience, and girls trying to just collect their money after boring attitude and leave. I do think a goal is to find the best and keep their number. I have a couple I'd never give out (Remember they are charging ALMOST 2 X Bangkok, a more expensive city and one that is more modern. But it's true the two cultures are super different and VN girls are better in many cases.
My advice for sure is talk to a girl in the more quiet room on ground floor. There's a lot to understand and you'll have fun and hopefully make her more relaxed. If she thinks you're trust-worthy after talking she'll take a smaller price. There are stunners that are worth the 3 mm, but I find many of them act too super pro in bed and no fun. Don't pay more than 120 usd!
[QUOTE=BebeLac;2005217]After thinking of going to Benny's again (I went there yesterday for the first time) I decided to try something new. Since I am only staying 3 days, I wanted to explore.
I went for a foot massage at Bui Vien and I was approached by a hot lady working on Violet Spa (Early 30's) that suggested a BJ for 500 after I refused a happy ending (I am not paying for something I can do my self). After reading not very good reports about Bui Vien although very tempted I didn't proceed. Walked back at my hotel to get some money and at the door the bell boy asked me if I wanted a girl for a mil ST. Another temptation. I guess a guy alone in HCM is assumed to be looking for pussy. Anyway, the fact that I had no control over who the girl is going to be so I declined and left for Apo around 11:30.
[/QUOTE]You (and other members for future reference) do have some control by right of refusal. Next time just tell the boy if you don't like the girl you can: 1) give her taxi money 50 k VND and send her packing, or 2) they send over another girl (they can do about three exchanges before both sides call it quit. No taxi money on exchange).
Hope that helps (future mongering).
Peter.
Hello, everyone.
One of my friend recommend me a club founded by korean named JOLLY, the price there is not cheap but says the quality is good. Does anyone heard or have experience about that?
Thanks in advance.
Be careful if you are out and about in the Ho Tung Mau or Pasteur Bars. If you go to Retro, Rumours or Cloud 9 they have a habit of charging you 180,000 for a lady drink. I bought a girl a drink at Rumours the other night. It was supposed to be a standard priced lady drink at 140,000. What I did not realise until I paid the bill was that she had ordered Patron Cafe XO. Which is coffee coloured. The drink was actually milk coloured with ice in it. So how could it have been Cafe XO. Impossible! The girl that I bought the drink for is in her thirties, her name is Nga and also works part time at Cloud 9. There is also a girl work there called Dung, be careful of her. She pulls the same stunt!
Since Tet you can now get take away company for the night at a cost of around 1.5 to 2 million from many of the bars on the top end of Pasteur. Not from Rock Bar, The Pub or round the corner at Navy, but many of the others will join you at your hotel if the price is right after they finish work.
[QUOTE=Nomes2015;2019076]Be careful if you are out and about in the Ho Tung Mau or Pasteur Bars. If you go to Retro, Rumours or Cloud 9 they have a habit of charging you 180,000 for a lady drink. I bought a girl a drink at Rumours the other night. It was supposed to be a standard priced lady drink at 140,000. What I did not realise until I paid the bill was that she had ordered Patron Cafe XO. Which is coffee coloured. The drink was actually milk coloured with ice in it. So how could it have been Cafe XO. Impossible! The girl that I bought the drink for is in her thirties, her name is Nga and also works part time at Cloud 9. There is also a girl work there called Dung, be careful of her. She pulls the same stunt!
Since Tet you can now get take away company for the night at a cost of around 1.5 to 2 million from many of the bars on the top end of Pasteur. Not from Rock Bar, The Pub or round the corner at Navy, but many of the others will join you at your hotel if the price is right after they finish work.[/QUOTE]All the bars in this area will charge you 180,000 or 200,000 for lady drinks and almost all the girls are available for whatever you want after work, prices quoted are correct for short time.
[QUOTE=Corso33;2019366]All the bars in this area will charge you 180,000 or 200,000 for lady drinks and almost all the girls are available for whatever you want after work, prices quoted are correct for short time.[/QUOTE]Not all the bars. For example. Rock bar, Drunken Duck, Manhattan, M52, Friends, The Pub charge 120,000 or less! 180,000 is above average!
Is it all the bars in this area where almost all girls are "available" for a price? Or only some of them. If it is only some, then it would be useful for us to make a list of which bars are yes and which bars are no.
I thought No. 5 bar was in the no category. But I'm not sure.
Afraid my days of bonking after bar closing hours are over now. Maybe better to get a phone number and schedule something for the next day.
Amspascha wrote asking about Jolly club below, but he didn't mention what is on offer in this place.
Currently in HCMC, thinking of hitting up the nightclubs. If anyone else is up for this, let me know.
A new bar has recently opened at 104 Ham Nghi in D1. Its called Check In.
The bar is owned by 4 Viet ladies.
Negatives. Two of the owners have no experience about running a bar at all. LOL.
Be careful in this bar, the lady drink cost is 140,000 and the girls just drink milk, coke or sprite.
Ms Ng the bar owner gets really pissed, pukes everywhere and is generally obnoxious when drunk. She thinks she is being funny!
Positives. Two of the girls are up for after hours activity at 2 million a pop. Ki and Oa, both live and play together. Buy a bottle let the girls drink from yr bottle and hey presto yr in. But wear a condom, because you never know who was there just before you.
I wrote a huge report and TFF logged me out so this is what is left. Sorry.
Not sure if it was an acid flashback or my drink was spiked but I dreamed Kim Wilde and I were indeed "Flying to Cambodia."
Great song BTW for you pre 1970 children.
Anyways, I was very very bored and a little tipsy and had heard about this Drunken Duck from RTFF and gave it a whirl. Very quiet for a while and then. Boom. It was like the 1/2 time show at the Superbowl (a good one like when the who played and not Bruno Mars, you know what I mean). The place lit up like a pin ball machine, people everywhere. Either that or my drinks kicked in.
So, I only wandered into the place because it was open and I was looking for some chit chat and maybe company. Very quiet initially and then after 8 the heavens opened up and there were people everywhere. One bright young thing quoted me 2 MIL but by that stage I think Phase 1 of my acid thingy had started and I was really on a love all phase. The young lass is quite a looker (face wise) by my standards so I plan to return sober as a bishop (pre-service) this weekend and see the young lass. I have never been into drugs at all, but, I was on another planet and I know (few days after the fact) something was put in my drink. In all honesty it may have happened at one of the 2-3 bars I went to before the DD. I staggered out, really maggoted, walked a few streets (the wrong way towards the river) and then wallop, got king hit by what I suspect was a rather big hunk of wood. Didn't phase me too much as I managed to stay on my feet. I turned around and whoever hit me ran really quickly in the other direction.
Quite a night as it is only the 3rd time in 30 years of global travel that someone has had a go at me in that way and I am glad it wasn't some 250 lb lineman doing the swinging. As far as the bar goes, I am going again this Fri night, after 2 days in Phnom Penh. I want to see the action up close sans the champagne and beer.
Went to this bar quite frequently and found out that the boss will force lady to drink with customers even when they are totally drunk.
Given this bar a miss.
Bad Boss.
[QUOTE=Probeng72;2051049]Went to this bar quite frequently and found out that the boss will force lady to drink with customers even when they are totally drunk.
Given this bar a miss.
Bad Boss.[/QUOTE]Wow. So you joined ISG just to post this comment. I sense something a miss here. First of all, no one will believe such a stupid post. Secondly, I've never been to a go go bar in Thailand or any other country where women don't continue to drink when they are drunk to make money from Lady drinks. Utterly ridiculous post and an obvious attempt to spread bad rumours about one bar that maybe no one here has even heard of before.
[QUOTE=Belvaros;2050260]I wrote a huge report and TFF logged me out so this is what is left. Sorry.
Not sure if it was an acid flashback or my drink was spiked but I dreamed Kim Wilde and I were indeed "Flying to Cambodia."
Great song BTW for you pre 1970 children.
Anyways, I was very very bored and a little tipsy and had heard about this Drunken Duck from RTFF and gave it a whirl. Very quiet for a while and then. Boom. It was like the 1/2 time show at the Superbowl (a good one like when the who played and not Bruno Mars, you know what I mean). The place lit up like a pin ball machine, people everywhere. Either that or my drinks kicked in.
So, I only wandered into the place because it was open and I was looking for some chit chat and maybe company. Very quiet initially and then after 8 the heavens opened up and there were people everywhere. One bright young thing quoted me 2 MIL but by that stage I think Phase 1 of my acid thingy had started and I was really on a love all phase. The young lass is quite a looker (face wise) by my standards so I plan to return sober as a bishop (pre-service) this weekend and see the young lass. I have never been into drugs at all, but, I was on another planet and I know (few days after the fact) something was put in my drink. In all honesty it may have happened at one of the 2-3 bars I went to before the DD. I staggered out, really maggoted, walked a few streets (the wrong way towards the river) and then wallop, got king hit by what I suspect was a rather big hunk of wood. Didn't phase me too much as I managed to stay on my feet. I turned around and whoever hit me ran really quickly in the other direction.
Quite a night as it is only the 3rd time in 30 years of global travel that someone has had a go at me in that way and I am glad it wasn't some 250 lb lineman doing the swinging. As far as the bar goes, I am going again this Fri night, after 2 days in Phnom Penh. I want to see the action up close sans the champagne and beer.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure you were still high when you wrote this post LOL.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051235]I'm pretty sure you were still high when you wrote this post LOL.[/QUOTE]Quality response shag. As in no SOH.
As one bar closes another opens. M52 bit the dust a few weeks ago and in it's place up pops 'My Place'.
A word of warning. The owner of this bar is the same woman that owns 'Legends'. That bar has a reputation for repeatedly adding drinks to your bill and therefore one can only assume the same will happen at 'My Place'.
When I say 'owns.' What I really mean is. Has been funded by a fat expat who has his brains planted firmly in the 'rarely has he seen it', item located under his overhanging belly!
Bars open, bars close as per the post before. The new bar on the D1 strip is Jameson, which rivals bars like Navy and Kim's Tavern.
Interesting place, with some interesting internal stories. One of the regulars there, let's call him Tony. A real player who regularly boasts how many P4P's he rolls over every week, has a GF or wifey "to be" in the bar. Nothing new in that but here is where it becomes interesting, his GF is on the game too and has met me outside opening hours a few times for some 3 Hole sessions. A real little wild one who goes right off with huge orgasms.
I'm probably classed as a big spender so know I can throw a bit of money and get my choice from the GRO's to partners or owners, money talks in these hostess bars, and they all seem to worship money- including Tony's girl.
So here is the question, which one should I tell about the other's betrayal before it gets to marriage, or should I just keep my mouth shut and enjoy the wild sex ride?
[QUOTE=FredrickSG;2076310] The new bar on the D1 strip is Jameson, which rivals bars like Navy and Kim's Tavern.
Has a GF or wifey "to be" in the bar. Nothing new in that but here is where it becomes interesting, his GF is on the game too and has met me outside opening hours a few times for some 3 Hole sessions. A real little wild one who goes right off with huge orgasms. [/QUOTE]I don't know Jameson, where is it, Pasteur St?
I would like to know who the 3 holes girl is, I'm up for that kinda challenge. How can I recognise her, what's her going rate?
There is a girlie works at Infinity. Dung. Going rate is 2 tr for all night. Good performer!
Mouth shut. Enjoy the ride.
3 hole session. I'll be in Saigon very soon. Think you'll be up for a DP session?
[QUOTE=FredrickSG;2076310]Bars open, bars close as per the post before. The new bar on the D1 strip is Jameson, which rivals bars like Navy and Kim's Tavern.
Interesting place, with some interesting internal stories. One of the regulars there, let's call him Tony. A real player who regularly boasts how many P4P's he rolls over every week, has a GF or wifey "to be" in the bar. Nothing new in that but here is where it becomes interesting, his GF is on the game too and has met me outside opening hours a few times for some 3 Hole sessions. A real little wild one who goes right off with huge orgasms.
I'm probably classed as a big spender so know I can throw a bit of money and get my choice from the GRO's to partners or owners, money talks in these hostess bars, and they all seem to worship money- including Tony's girl.
So here is the question, which one should I tell about the other's betrayal before it gets to marriage, or should I just keep my mouth shut and enjoy the wild sex ride?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nomes2015;2076472]I don't know Jameson, where is it, Pasteur St?
I would like to know who the 3 holes girl is, I'm up for that kinda challenge. How can I recognise her, what's her going rate?
There is a girlie works at Infinity. Dung. Going rate is 2 tr for all night. Good performer![/QUOTE]Sorry guys about the predictive text error on the bar name. Predictive text can be the bane of my life especially if I typo in spelling.
Correct bar name is "Gemstone" & it's opposite Xu's. Look for the little spinner with long hair that smiles a lot (won't put a name here. But easy to pick). Especially big smiles for big spenders because it seems you got to spend big on a bar bill to trigger the action, which funnily enough is free "so far". Clearly, she is a master gold digger so I don't really understand that deal.
[QUOTE=LetThemEatSake;2076485]Mouth shut. Enjoy the ride.
3 hole session. I'll be in Saigon very soon. Think you'll be up for a DP session?[/QUOTE]Being a greedy bastard I don't do DP.
Not sure if the little spinner would go for DP (she is a bit flighty). In my experience, if you throw around enough money you can get anything you want, with anyone you want. From the bartenders' girlfriend through to a partner or owner.
Bar girl marriage. Makes me wonder.
Had another lovely afternoon delight with the 'little spinner' who was so upset and down about being denied a tourist visa to meet up with her "future husband" in England. She said if she fails the second visa application she will never go to England- ever. Hahaha. This really shows the UK review system on Visa's does work, at least in Ho Chi Minh City.
It gives me great amusement how such a sweet and innocent face can be such a hot, wet and wild little tigress in bed, and a mercenary gold digger by character.
It's amazing with the post wild sex session chat how very devious the little 'spinner' really is. Tony (not his real name), doesn't know what is going to hit him financially when the 'spinner' winds up her hurricane of well-planned action, and will be a poor broke monger sooner that you can say "fuck my shaved little pussy harder. Just one more time."
Might want to move on to another challenge soon, but this girl is such a good performer and gets so into sex that it's hard to walk away. I can see how some guys get addicted and blinded by love with them.
[QUOTE=FredrickSG;2077854]
... She said if she fails the second visa application she will never go to England- ever.
[/QUOTE]There are also many Ugandan Girls. Coming from Thailand to Malaysia to Jakarta then to Saigon, because they try to get Visa back to Thailand and it's hard this days to get it.
Hahaha. I get what you mean. Enjoy the free ride (s)!
[QUOTE=FredrickSG;2076780]Being a greedy bastard I don't do DP.
Not sure if the little spinner would go for DP (she is a bit flighty). In my experience, if you throw around enough money you can get anything you want, with anyone you want. From the bartenders' girlfriend through to a partner or owner.
Bar girl marriage. Makes me wonder.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LetThemEatSake;2078570]Hahaha. I get what you mean. Enjoy the free ride (s)![/QUOTE]In a quick session very late this afternoon around 5 pm I was out of sorts and giving DATY to the little spinner. Something I never normally do, and took a breath to ask a question before getting back down to the job. I will write about the reaction before writing the question.
So upon resuming the DATY after asking the question, almost immediately she had a shattering orgasm, body spasms, guttural groans, almost like a having some sort of epileptic fit which was a maybe 30% higher response than normal. I guess the question triggered her mind to go over the edge.
What was the question? Well. I asked her if she would like to have anal sex and get mouth fucked at the same time as in DP.
Read into that what you will, but I'm still too greedy to do DP!
Innocent Predators.
I took a friend out for smallish bar hop last night and it was pretty dead in my normal circuit without the loud music and noise which was actually better for my taste. Of course, we hit Gemstone so I could see the reaction of my little spinner after the earlier question but really got no response or attention.
She was busy chatting, planning, scheming and plotting with her cohorts.
Later we went to Hangover and my friend who speaks VNese fluently related the earlier discussion of the girls that he was listening in on. They look so sweet and innocent but the reality is far from that and like most people in this industry they are 'put simply' a bunch of sharks and crocodiles.
Cutting a long story short, the discussion was how she got her ex to pay for international school fee for her small child, and also got her new guy 'husband to be' TT over money to cover a year of school fees in Vietnam as well. So ends up with two lots of $14 K USD.
So my dear mongers, this is a word of warning to not believe a word that comes from the mouth of these little innocent angels, and other than paying for bar bills keep a tight hand on your money.
Seen many times before where girls get several of their 'sponsors' to each pay for a new Vespa motorbike, but this new scam is growing in scale.
So this is a word of warning, let's be smart mongers and fully aware when in their territory.
Thought it was to be another intensely relaxing afternoon delight about 2 pm, but ended up a stressful event with the little spinner being a hellcat mood. Anyway, at least I got to BBBJCIM and made her swallow all before sending her off to see her kid & ex.
So gentlemen seems like the end of the road with this little side track and I will be moving on to the next hostess bar challenge without delay. Onward and upward fellow mongers!
Well, I was only in HCMC a few days so had to check this place out. Went at 11 pm on a Monday and Tuesday. Sat near the back where the pool table is and better lighting to check out the meat market. Lots of girls with different age groups and body types. I did not want a squemish one so went for MILF type. I also did not want to haggle so just barked out my upper limit which was 3 mil take it or leave it for GFE. A few of the better looking girls did seem to put off airs of stuckupness. Several approached me asking if I wanted company but never in a demanding way. Monday I just was not feeling it so bugged out. Tuesday was different story, there was a MILF that walked in around midnight and I was already a few drinks in so approached her and ask to sit with me at the benches in the back room where we could talk. She did not smoke which was one of my preferences and did not ask for a drink. We talked and could converse in English fairly well. I asked her about going to her place and gave out the price for 3 mil. She looked at me and said lets go. Her building was not far, I think near that bui vien area as she asked me to be careful around there after the deed. We showered together and she gave me BBBJ. I was really into her so laid her back for some DATY and went to town. Can't tell you how many times she came but she was multiorgasmic and really was just rolling into one orgasim after another. I really did not have to work hard. She is good and sloppy now so decided to get mine. Did every position I could think of then rested with some tea she had in her little fridge. After about 30 min chatting I started to play with her again then down to DATY and she goes into her mulitorgasmic routine once again. Her stomach muscles were really contracting. I let her rest more between each and then when it was my turn I let her loose on top of me to do most of the work. She grinded me down to nothing. She collapsed then I showered to prepare to return home. It was like almost 5 am. I had sex with her a good 3 to 4 hours. Money well spent and I was happy.
GF.
I'm not sure what to call this type of place. It is down the only alley around the corner from Apo. You can access the alley from either Hai Ba Trung or Dong Du. I'm sure old timers have already visited here. Go down and there is a club, forgot the name but something with Lu lu in it. Doesn't matter as its the only alley on that block and there will be a girl sitting near entrance of alley or club. The club has a first floor bar then second floor pool table then third floor rooms for full service. They have like 5 girls or so, some cute. I saw 2 gringos leave as I started on my first drink. Found a girl I liked and we played pool a bit. After that I told her I wanted full service she started at 2 mil and I countered with 1. 7, she agreed so maybe its really lower. Basic room with air con. I only saw the one room. She uses wipes on you then does a BBBJ. It was nice service as I was not expecting full service in a bar in this city. I would repeat with at least one other girl I saw there. I never saw them all out together. They must keep busy. Anyway, some of you veterans can verify the name for me. The sign for the place is above the alley entrance from Hai Ba Trung.
GF.
Went on a bar hop on Friday in District 1, visited Xu's where it was quiet and they tried to pad the bill, then across the road to Gemstone and saw Fredricks little spinner minus the smiling face (maybe missing his bed action and bored with the hubby to be). After getting half tanked there I staggered to Navy bar where there was some party, fun place. I really can't remember where I went after that but got home in a taxi about 4:30 am, or so I was told. Girls in Xu's are fairly boring like the dimwit owner, Gemstone had some wet pussy ready for action however asking 3 million ST, but Navy was where the atmosphere and fun was on that night. Weird how the very atmosphere of a place can be so different on each night, sometimes even an hour will change in a bar from dead to pumping.
[QUOTE=TerryTagger;2087451]*** Gemstone had some wet pussy ready for action however asking 3 million ST, but Navy was where the atmosphere and fun was on that night. Weird how the very atmosphere of a place can be so different on each night, sometimes even an hour will change in a bar from dead to pumping.[/QUOTE]Took the plunge with long legged Ms Hang from Gemstone and she ended up all business, wanted me to mount and dismount like a merry-go-round ride, initially she was wanting to go bareback. Not for me with a high miler like that. Definitely not worth the 3 million, then she had the audacity to ask for an extra 1 million for a BBJCIM. Hard core money grabber and unimpressed. Zero GFE on this round.
[QUOTE=TerryTagger;2089696]Took the plunge with long legged Ms Hang from Gemstone and she ended up all business, wanted me to mount and dismount like a merry-go-round ride, initially she was wanting to go bareback. Not for me with a high miler like that. Definitely not worth the 3 million, then she had the audacity to ask for an extra 1 million for a BBJCIM. Hard core money grabber and unimpressed. Zero GFE on this round.[/QUOTE]Well fellow mongers, I am not one to give up so I decided to try Ms My from Gemstone for a ST, and hell what a difference. Wet and wild in the sack, and can suck a golf ball through the proverbial garden hose. She delivered a real GFE for the 3 million and never asked for extra. Given her superior performance and gripping wet pussy I might do a return ST with sweet Ms My, but got to get the right timing for when her honey pie is in Hong Kong. My ambition is to nail and rate every pussy in the place, including the talkative little spinner -3 holes- of Fredrick.
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[QUOTE=TerryTagger;2090762]Well fellow mongers, I am not one to give up so I decided to try Ms My from Gemstone for a ST, and hell what a difference. Wet and wild in the sack, and can suck a golf ball through the proverbial garden hose. She delivered a real GFE for the 3 million and never asked for extra. Given her superior performance and gripping wet pussy I might do a return ST with sweet Ms My, but got to get the right timing for when her honey pie is in Hong Kong. My ambition is to nail and rate every pussy in the place, including the talkative little spinner -3 holes- of Fredrick.[/QUOTE]Terry, I must admire your ambitions. I have moved on from there, so give it your best shot to try a 3-hole with little Khuyen, or if you want a really good 2-hole experience Ms. Kieu would be the best shot. Kieu gives one of the best BBJCIM I have experienced in SG and has great. Really great- muscle control. Wrap up for the 3 Holes though.
A couple of newbie (to Vietnam) questions:
When you all take out a girl out of a place like Gemstones, does she take you to a ST hotel nearby? What limited experience I have in Vietnam always worked like that. But, they took me in a cab and that always makes me nervous. In BKK you can almost always walk to a nearby ST hotel. Anyways, I know it's not a great idea to bring girls back to the room, so how does this usually work?
Also: what time do these places start to get going with working girls? I am in town to work, so I can't really stay up too late. In most cities, I try to arrange a sure thing and be back in my hotel sleeping alone by 10!
I am still looking for that primo agency in HCMC that provides top girls who are well behaved, at a premium price. Every city has one, but maybe HCMC is the exception. I am lazy and have a big budget for this kind of fun, so mostly just want to have an easy time.
I'll be there next week if anyone is around!
[QUOTE=FredrickSG;2091309]Terry, I must admire your ambitions. I have moved on from there, so give it your best shot to try a 3-hole with little Khuyen, or if you want a really good 2-hole experience Ms. Kieu would be the best shot. Kieu gives one of the best BBJCIM I have experienced in SG and has great. Really great- muscle control. Wrap up for the 3 Holes though.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KenDavis03;2092773]A couple of newbie (to Vietnam) questions:
When you all take out a girl out of a place like Gemstones, does she take you to a ST hotel nearby? What limited experience I have in Vietnam always worked like that. But, they took me in a cab and that always makes me nervous. In BKK you can almost always walk to a nearby ST hotel. Anyways, I know it's not a great idea to bring girls back to the room, so how does this usually work?[/QUOTE]Ken, after a few sessions spending big my fun times were free but "after hours" at my pad. Don't know exact deal Terry got with his couple of ST but it is possible if they like you or you offer the right inducement, but also be prepared to get an outright NO as an answer. You can also get some nice stimulation from the local spa places without the high cost or alcohol-induced ego roll, check out that thread for leads. Online is hit and miss for a short business trip. Girls out of hostess bars are unlikely to steal but if you pick up a hooker from the street they will rob you blind.
Enjoy the play.
[QUOTE=KenDavis03;2092773]A couple of newbie (to Vietnam) questions:
When you all take out a girl out of a place like Gemstones, does she take you to a ST hotel nearby? What limited experience I have in Vietnam always worked like that. But, they took me in a cab and that always makes me nervous. In BKK you can almost always walk to a nearby ST hotel. Anyways, I know it's not a great idea to bring girls back to the room, so how does this usually work?
Also: what time do these places start to get going with working girls? I am in town to work, so I can't really stay up too late. In most cities, I try to arrange a sure thing and be back in my hotel sleeping alone by 10!
I am still looking for that primo agency in HCMC that provides top girls who are well behaved, at a premium price. Every city has one, but maybe HCMC is the exception. I am lazy and have a big budget for this kind of fun, so mostly just want to have an easy time.
I'll be there next week if anyone is around![/QUOTE]It's normal to taxi to the hotel because hotels are usually not walking distance from the bar. Don't worry. If you want them to go to your room they surely would be OK with that, or if you want ST hotel instead of course they will do that. Those girls usually start 7 pm to 8 pm, maybe later sometimes.
I don't know that high end service but I hear they exist.
Is Infinity bar the same place as Woo bar? I went to a place called wood bar and took a picture of my bar tab tonight and noticed the receipt said Infinity.
Bar Update.
Yes Infinity and Woo is the same place. Boring as hell now, all the good girls have gone and left the dregs!
'The Pub' has changed owners recently and the food is terrible now. Don't order the Seafood Pizza unless you want a grease ridden meal. Watch out for a girl called Sunny, very tactile, but a real gold digger!
98 Degrees is OK, but the girls are not very playful!
Chica is full of overweight middle aged pro's now.
Friends bar has also lost all the fun girls, they seem to have moved to Corner Bar where you can have a really good giggle.
But wherever you go, check yr bill.
Where is Bar 35? I've been researching back in history and I heard someone mention a great time there. I found this place but I don't know if it's the same place because it's a club? I'd like to have a place where I can get the service at the bar and not have to waste time going elsewhere.
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[QUOTE=Wendella;1437698]Actually that list is pretty out of date now. There was a major clampdown on these places last week, and 4 of the main bars were shut down (35, 37, 49, 51) and the rest are in rough shape. I went around to check out a few bars tonight. If a bar usually had 15 girls, now it has 3. And it's not the pretty young ones. They seem to have been ordered to take away the darkened glass they usually have on the front, and also to keep the lights up bright, and the girls to dress in much less sexy outfits. Some bars went with ao dais, others with dresses. It was so bad, even at 91 there wasn't a single one I was interested in sitting with. If it stays like this long term, could be the end of this scene. Seriously, for anyone coming to town, unless things change, my earlier post about these bars no longer applies. These places are not worth visiting right now, you're sure to be disappointed. Hope they bounce back.[/QUOTE]Been reading through like crazy, so these billard's places no longer exist?
Well I finally got to try Khuyen from Gemstone on Saturday afternoon, and she really wasn't what I expected, in a starfish sort of way and later chased the dragon to get artificial energy. Says she uses the excuse visiting her kid in the afternoon, so her other half can't argue with her sideline work. Stung 4 million.
She was all hellfire later in the night when I dropped by the bar and she was getting a bit too close to a punter who was with his Chinese girlfriend. The Chinese girl attacked little Khuyen and a catfight ensued, and ended up Khuyen kicked her ass pretty bad but ended up all scratched up too. These places do provide more entertainment than expected, buy a beer and watch a cat fight so might drop by again tonight and look if there will be round 2, or at least see the scratches and bruises. Wonder what will happen next weekend around the traps to top this! I love Saigon.
[QUOTE=TerryTagger;2102358]Stung 4 million.[/QUOTE]So this guy took his date to a hooker bar?
4 million is their going rate at this place? The yen must be very strong now. (giggle).
So is that for ST or LT or what?
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2103097]So this guy took his date to a hooker bar?
4 million is their going rate at this place? The yen must be very strong now. (giggle).
So is that for ST or LT or what?[/QUOTE]Not found a set rate so far, just negotiate each meet as an individual deal, normally catching up the day after a visit for between two to four hours.
Most of the bars in the area work on the same principle, on a weekday night you can get them out for ST if not busy, otherwise it is a next day meet up. Typically in the afternoon after they sleep off their hangovers.
So this report is a bit late (from last Febuary), but I'm making another trip to Saigon and was doing a little research for my next trip. So I figured I'd add some info. I stopped in a handful of bars around Pasteur street. I ended up stopping in Cheers Pub (100 Pasteur) while it wasn't busy, and I was waiting to meet some friends. They probably had 6 to 7 girls at the time. A few were lookers, but most were average at 6 PM on a Sunday. I ended up talking to a couple girls in particular and bought them a few drinks. After about an hour one of the girls was already DKF'ing me and asking me to check if her large see cups were real or not. I checked and they were real, LOL. But at first she told me she got her tits in Thailand. She said she was from the Mekong close to Cambodia. You could tell by the darker skin and she had more of a Cambodian girl look to her. But I had to leave to meet several of my friends that were also in town for the same event. I told her that I would be back, even though I wasn't sure that I meant it.
So the first several bars I followed people to in Pahm Ngu Lao weren't cutting it for most of the group. They wanted some more action, so I brought everyone back to Cheers. So to make a long story short; We had a great time drinking there and a lot more girls had shown up to work. I hooked back up with the same girl. I asked her if I could barfine her, as I live in Thailand and wasn't sure if that was a thing in Vietnam. She said that I just had to wait for her to finish work at 3 and she would go with me to my hotel. No talk of money yet. So that's what happened. We grabbed some Pho after she finished work and cabbed back to my hotel in D7. It was girl friendly no problem as they actually offer rooms for hourly rental. The hotel is also next to many massage shops with extras that mainly cater to the Koreans living in Sky Garden in D7. But the nightly rates are around 500,000 dong for nice rooms with laundry service included.
The sex was more of a GFE, but she accepted a good money shot no problem. She was willing to do whatever. We repeated in the morning. Her body was baby free and a good 7. 5 out of 10. I gave her the extra. 5 for nice tits and ass, but a little bit of a belly, only a pinch maybe. Her face was pretty, but in more of an exotic Cambodian girllooking way. She wasn't pretty in the classic standards, but her look really did it for me. She said that she was 29 and I thought she looked maybe younger.
I had to leave the next day and got her a cab. I slipped her 1. 5 and told her it was for cab fare. She never asked me for money. So the same night she wanted to see me again. I was super hungover and didn't want to go out drinking again. I just hung out at my friends house and went back to the hotel to wait for her after work. She came to the hotel at 3 am and did the deed once again right after she cam over, and again in the morning. I left that day back to Bangkok, so she offered to call into work so that she could spend time with me and take me to the airport. I declined because I had to meet with people again that day. I slipped her another 1. 5 as I put her into the taxi again. We still chat a couple times a week, so I'll spend some time with her on my next trip.
I think that all of the bars in this area can be treated the same way. I've read that some of the girls can go out of the bar when it's slow. But it's probably better meet the girls there and make arrangements for outside of her work hours. And it seems like there are no price standards. Each girl is another negotiation, but in my circumstance it was about as easy going and inexpensive as you could wish for with a quality girl. 3 of my other friends also left with girls. The mongering scene is more difficult in Vietnam in comparison to Thailand. But I think that you can find a more genuine experience with the bar girls there. And the quality of bar girls in Vietnam is much better in my experience.
I had been off the grid for awhile in a 'partnership' (thank god THAT's over!) , but the of the things that most surprised and intrigued me has been the reports of the Pastuer area bars being more "active".
I used to frequent a few them and always dreamed of this scene turning more "Thai" in customer service.
I also used to be a regular at Gemstone when they opened, because of another spinner hottie, the one with the outrageous ass. She always used to brag about how she was a good girl, and would never go out with customers, and she fancied herself very studious and serious. Flash forward a couple months, and she was found making out with various customers while getting absolutely hammered, butterflying around the bar with several drinks going at a time. That was half year ago maybe, before I got pulled out of circulation. And that's who I thought you guys were talking about at first, until the name Khuyen was mentioned.
So recently I re-appeared in there to scope it out. Met the Kh, but my other friend wasn't around. They said she was still working there though, just 'off'. Khuyen however was very frisky and wanted me to play with her butt, so I can see that the reports of 3-holes might not be complete fantasy! There was also a night last week when I went in, and there was very little staff. Only the plain ones were left LOL. Seemed suspicious, that a couple names I mentioned "went out to eat", but later when they returned, seemed ravenous and were eating in the bar. Connect the dots and seems like there was a big short-time party eh?
[QUOTE=Stimulus89;2108308]I also used to be a regular at Gemstone [/QUOTE]Are you talking about the bar that is on HaiBaTrung street across from Xu? Now there is no bar there called "Gemstone", so just hope someone can clarify the current name, maybe the address.
[QUOTE=Stimulus89;2108308]I had been off the grid for awhile in a 'partnership' (thank god THAT's over!) , but the of the things that most surprised and intrigued me has been the reports of the Pastuer area bars being more "active".
I used to frequent a few them and always dreamed of this scene turning more "Thai" in customer service.
I also used to be a regular at Gemstone when they opened, because of another spinner hottie, the one with the outrageous ass. She always used to brag about how she was a good girl, and would never go out with customers, and she fancied herself very studious and serious. Flash forward a couple months, and she was found making out with various customers while getting absolutely hammered, butterflying around the bar with several drinks going at a time. That was half year ago maybe, before I got pulled out of circulation. And that's who I thought you guys were talking about at first, until the name Khuyen was mentioned.
So recently I re-appeared in there to scope it out. Met the Kh, but my other friend wasn't around. They said she was still working there though, just 'off'. Khuyen however was very frisky and wanted me to play with her butt, so I can see that the reports of 3-holes might not be complete fantasy! There was also a night last week when I went in, and there was very little staff. Only the plain ones were left LOL. Seemed suspicious, that a couple names I mentioned "went out to eat", but later when they returned, seemed ravenous and were eating in the bar. Connect the dots and seems like there was a big short-time party eh?[/QUOTE]They all use stage names but for example Khuyen goes by the name of Jenny most times, and yes she gets wildly drunk. I always check their ID to ensure no scam or problem will follow, a good thing for all players to do. Best time for ST take out in these places is quiet nights on weekdays, or weekend after closing / day after.
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2108707]Are you talking about the bar that is on HaiBaTrung street across from Xu? Now there is no bar there called "Gemstone", so just hope someone can clarify the current name, maybe the address.[/QUOTE]It's on Hunh Thuc Khang St, Ben Nghe, which is a side street from lower Pasteur in the hostess bar area. Same street as Kims Tavern. There are a few Xu bar around which probably got you confused. There are heaps of bars in the area for a bar hop, so a lot of choices if you get bored with faes in any particular one. Some have fresh faces but most are full of inventory that has been on the scene for a long time, even if they look fresh or cute. HTH.
[QUOTE=FredrickSG;2108952]It's on Hunh Thuc Khang St, Ben Nghe, which is a side street from lower Pasteur in the hostess bar area. Same street as Kims Tavern. There are a few Xu bar around which probably got you confused. There are heaps of bars in the area for a bar hop, so a lot of choices if you get bored with faes in any particular one. Some have fresh faces but most are full of inventory that has been on the scene for a long time, even if they look fresh or cute. HTH.[/QUOTE]OK of course I knew about some bars in that area before. My mates took me to some but I can't remember the names. The bars they brought me, it didn't seem like girls were as frisky as you talk about, or if they would go out with customer, or make out in the bar, anything like that. Is that some bars only are like that? Other ones not like that?
I've lived here 1. 7+ years. 50 ish. Good money from work and plenty of free time.
Don't get too excited about bars in HCMC! There are some very cute girls, but if you want the deed done same night-- as I do if I'm going to pay- don't bother. If you're getting contact info for another day, why not just use Viber and dates? Best girls for GF are in HCMC, some of worst P4P also in HCMC.
The cute girls that say "after work. " yea, they can be very cute, and maybe $100 or $120, but if it means 5 AM. Why? Because if weekend, guys in bars are buying them drinks until closing and the bar manager will NOT let them go. 85% or so goes to the bar for drinks.
5 AM? Really? I don't like to f* while drunk / buzzed & before sleep and tired, while the neighbors are making breakfast.
WL.
P.S: don't even think about apocalypse now: fake breasts, almost all tired 32+ pros with average or below looks, and charge 1.5 X more than elsewhere. Also, they are so seasoned: they know all the games to play to get your money, quickly.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2109220]I've l've lived here 1. 7+ years. 50 ish. Good money from work and plenty of free time.
Don't get too excited about bars in HCMC! There are some very cute girls, but if you want the deed done same night-- as I do if I'm going to pay- don't bother. If you're getting contact info for another day, why not just use Viber and dates? Best girls for GF are in HCMC, some of worst p4 p also in hcmc.
[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more, plus you forgot to add that once you do start having any sort of contact with them they are then continually looking for extras. Used to be a regular visitor to HCMC and spent 3 years trying to get into the pants of one of the girls. It wasn't until I stopped visiting, and after some heavy persuading she finally decided to meet me in Singapore. From then on it was "where's my little red packet for Tet? "what about my birthday?" and so on. I found that the girls in the better bars where more interested in long term partners than one night stands, or at least somebody who was going to sponsor them long term.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2109220]I've l've lived here 1. 7+ years. 50 ish. Good money from work and plenty of free time.
Don't get too excited about bars in HCMC! There are some very cute girls, but if you want the deed done same night-- as I do if I'm going to pay- don't bother. If you're getting contact info for another day, why not just use Viber and dates? Best girls for GF are in HCMC, some of worst p4 p also in hcmc.
The cute girls that say "after work. " yea, they can be very cute, and maybe $100 or $120, but if it means 5 AM. Why? Because if weekend, guys in bars are buying them drinks until closing and the bar manager will NOT let them go. 85% or so goes to the bar for drinks.
5 AM? Really? I don't like to f* while drunk / buzzed & before sleep and tired, while the neighbors are making breakfast..[/QUOTE]Meet the next day is OK for me. But if I am interested in P4P, then which bars you recommend I can go check out? Really just want to know which bars are like that where girls are frisky, might kiss or something, and also will meet outside. And cute of course. I want to avoid waste time in the bar where they aren't available, are more ladylike and chaste. Example, Number 5 bar, I think in that place the girls don't do anything much. Get them in bed not so easy, maybe only as real GF not as P4P.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2109220]I've l've lived here 1. 7+ years. 50 ish. Good money from work and plenty of free time.
Don't get too excited about bars in HCMC! There are some very cute girls, but if you want the deed done same night-- as I do if I'm going to pay- don't bother. If you're getting contact info for another day, why not just use Viber and dates? Best girls for GF are in HCMC, some of worst p4 p also in hcmc.
The cute girls that say "after work. " yea, they can be very cute, and maybe $100 or $120, but if it means 5 AM. Why? Because if weekend, guys in bars are buying them drinks until closing and the bar manager will NOT let them go. 85% or so goes to the bar for drinks..[/QUOTE]Where would you recommend for same night P4P? I also don't want to wait till the early hours of morning.
[QUOTE=Mpl777;2109498]Where would you recommend for same night P4P? I also don't want to wait till the early hours of morning.[/QUOTE]If you want P4P same night 100% success to give the massage section recommendations a try, bars can be hit and miss. Generally, you need to be a known face, spender and be a likable character to have a chance and put in some groundwork. The bar girls like Jenny have a main sponsor and then several minor sponsors on the side. The main sponsor generally turns a blind eye to the minor sponsors or are simply unaware.
[QUOTE=FredrickSG;2109677]If you want P4P same night 100% success to give the massage section recommendations a try, bars can be hit and miss. Generally, you need to be a known face, spender and be a likable character to have a chance and put in some groundwork..[/QUOTE]Ah. I was hoping for a take home all night, not just a quick massage visit.
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[QUOTE=Mpl777;2109498]Where would you recommend for same night P4P? I also don't want to wait till the early hours of morning.[/QUOTE]Ever thought of trying the Tinder route? I'm being totally lazy for a trip next week to Jakarta and setting up girls via Tinder. Set up a false Facebook account with some pictures, pay about 23 bucks for a one month pass on Tinder, set yourself up as being in Ho Chi Minh, and then go flicking. Working girls will tend to contact you, but it is also pretty easy to spot girls who are interested in meeting up.
Had a quick check on my Tinder account and within about 5 minutes picked at least 3 girls who are definitely FL.
Just a thought, but some pre-planning may fill your bed as much as you want!
The links below are from the Jakarta thread care of Steelbaton giving you the basics of how to use Tinder.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2011200&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2011200.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2011209&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2011209.
[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2110541]Ever thought of trying the Tinder route? I'm being totally lazy for a trip next week to Jakarta and setting up girls via Tinder. Set up a false Facebook account with some pictures, pay about 23 bucks for a one month pass on Tinder, set yourself up as being in Ho Chi Minh, and then go flicking. Working girls will tend to contact you, but it is also pretty easy to spot girls who are interested in meeting up.
Had a quick check on my Tinder account and within about 5 minutes picked at least 3 girls who are definitely FL.
Just a thought, but some pre-planning may fill your bed as much as you want!
The links below are from the Jakarta thread care of Steelbaton giving you the basics of how to use Tinder.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2011200&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2011200.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta&p=2011209&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2011209.[/QUOTE]Wow. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Mpl777;2110827]Wow. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Anyone else getting action on this app?
Try it, the pics I'm getting look great. But haven't had the time to try them yet.
[QUOTE=Mpl777;2109917]Ah. I was hoping for a take home all night, not just a quick massage visit.[/QUOTE]99% Viet girls don't do all night. They want money for nothing. Some of the FLs at Lush and APO now will do all night, but you have to wait until club hours to get them.
Online girls typically only do one pop ST, having said that, if you made an offer they can't refuse then I'm sure it could be negotiated.
Met a girl at some bar near the west end of Bui Vien. It was obviously a girlie bar as it was all girls in dresses hanging out in front trying to get you come in for a drink.
It was empty of customers and one girl in particular caught my eye. She was taller for a Vietnamese girl, white skin, with a sweet Chinese face with round eyes and an ass that could crush rocks. She admitted she squatted and worked out regularly. In her tight black dress showing off one leg in high heels she looked an easy 8 out of 10 with minimal makeup. Her tits were average and perky. I asked her how the bar system worked here and she explained how it was similar to Thailand. Come in, have a drink or two with a lady, and possibly bar fine and take her home for sex.
She quickly got a drink, which was stronger than I suspected it would be. We chatted for some time before she explained the barfine was 500000 VND and the girl was 1000000 VND for a short time.
Her English was perfect. She could have passed for Chinese or Korean. I know it was a high price for the local market. With this being my first night in Saigon I did not want to waste time as this bar was only a few minutes walking from my hotel. After a few drinks I was ready to barfine her.
You have to pay everything upfront which made me understandably nervous. After mentioning this to her she agreed and admitted I would have to find out for myself if it was worth it or not.
The owner of the bar is an American guy whom I did not speak with but seemed a decent enough guy, opting to hang out with a friend of his in the back. Given how many negative reports I have read about the scene here, especially in the Bui Vien area, District 1 girls, scams, and problems with hotels and authorities it seemed like a high-risk endeavor.
Regardless, I got a good feeling from her after doing some very light kissing and her holding me. I decided to take a chance and paid 1500000 VND upfront. She took a few minutes before we left. I could see the look on her face when I pulled out that much money and realized how much it was to a Vietnamese girl. My reasoning was simply convenience and comparing to the GoGo or "high-end" bar scene in Thailand was not a bad offer in the least, especially if the girl was good in bed.
Off we went back to my hotel near the park in the Pham Ngu Lao area of the backpacker district.
She mentioned we may have problems with getting into the hotel, either having to bribe or go to a short time hotel. However in her experience over the past several months she said most of these hotels only require an ID from the girl in order to have a guest over for a single male as long as he booked multiple people. Thankfully the men in my hotel accepted her ID with a smile. They would also call to confirm everything was okay when she later, similar to how Thailand or Philippines works. If there is a guest fee I'm assuming they would have asked for it upfront.
After reaching the hotel we went up to the room in order to shower. She played some music as she bathed me and I her. She was playful and not rushed at all. The aircon was bothering her as I like it cold so we shut it off temporarily.
We started by a deep, passionate kissing session while holding each other like lovers. It was slow and like a girlfriend. After a few minutes of this I was rock hard and she was getting wet while rubbing my cock over her pussy while we kissed. I started to finger her from the outside and she was soaking, so I slowly opened her up.
She asked if I wanted to use the condom now. I agreed. She needed help putting it on. She mentioned she would do CBJ but there was no need as I was ready to pound her into tomorrow.
We started with her on top to ease it in. She slowly mounted and squated while bobbing on my cock. She had excellent muscle control and needed no help in milking my cock with her pussy. She eventually got it all the way in and loved being hit in the bottom of her pussy. She would grind and moan as she pierced her pussy.
She got tired so we switched to missionary while staying in her. Pounded her deep for a few minutes, all the while kissing passionately. Then I picked her up and fucked her standing for about 30 seconds. She was wearing my legs out as she is not a spinner so I threw her down and wanted doggy.
Promising to go slow at first she got the groove on. Once she was comfortable she really let me beat it up from the back. It was too much fun. She loved getting her perky tits grabbed while stabbed in the pussy repeatedly. Really loved stuffing her and she returned the favor by moaning and giving as much resistance against the thrust as she could. Milked all the pleasure from pushing her to the limit.
I wanted to be more passionate for finishing as I could tell she was getting worn out. She asked if I could finish soon as her pussy was beat up. I could have kept going no problems. A few more minutes of passionate kissing in missionary for the finish.
It was well worth it and I hope to repeat with her given the time one day. She was a gem. Also showered with me and was not in a rush to get out.
Reception called to confirm everything was in order before giving her the identification back.
It was a good night.
[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2114045]Met a girl at some bar near the west end of Bui Vien. It was obviously a girlie bar as it was all girls in dresses hanging out in front trying to get you come in for a drink.
It was empty of customers and one girl in particular caught my eye. She was taller for a Vietnamese girl, white skin, with a sweet Chinese face with round eyes and an ass that could crush rocks. She admitted she squatted and worked out regularly. In her tight black dress showing off one leg in high heels she looked an easy 8 out of 10 with minimal makeup. Her tits were average and perky. I asked her how the bar system worked here and she explained how it was similar to Thailand. Come in, have a drink or two with a lady, and possibly bar fine and take her home for sex.
She quickly got a drink, which was stronger than I suspected it would be. We chatted for some time before she explained the barfine was 500000 VND and the girl was 1000000 VND for a short time..[/QUOTE]In my limited experiences in HCMC, that is about as good as your going to get, especially in the Bui Vien area. I had a massage shop girl come to my hotel after paying a 200 K dong fine and with a 1 million Dong fee for her. Got to admit, she was in no hurry and provided excellent and enthusiastic service. I convinced her to return on her own time for a flat 1 million dong which resulted in her often coming by for an entire day and accompanying me on walk about and bus rides while touring HCMC. Of course, multiple pops on a daily basis were often included. She also insisted that I bang some of her friends since they needed Dong also. But I was 48 hours in country and hitting on dozens of massage girls before I bumped into while wandering in the back alley maze area of the Bui Vien Street location. While chatting with resident Westerners that have either retired or are working there, they told me that it is very, very easy to hook up with the girls there once they realize that you are a potential long term customer. For the transient visitor in a hotel, the odds become longer. Thank you for your reports.
[QUOTE=CaliTexMex;2114045]
It was empty of customers and one girl in particular caught my eye. She was taller for a Vietnamese girl, white skin, with a sweet Chinese face with round eyes and an ass that could crush rocks.
[/QUOTE]The girl your describing works at 157, but the owner of 159 is from OZ. Sometimes the girls just say 1. 5 million. New the girl the better the service and if I'm thinking of this girl she just started working there in October.
[QUOTE=AmericanThief;2117551]The girl your describing works at 157, but the owner of 159 is from OZ. Sometimes the girls just say 1. 5 million. New the girl the better the service and if I'm thinking of this girl she just started working there in October.[/QUOTE]It was well worth the 1000000 VND for her and 500000 VND for the barfine. Considering I was a tourist.
So a quick update on the D1 bar scene. Seems a few of the bars have upped their adding drinks to yr bill game or charging ridiculous prices for fake drinks.
A couple of the girls in Chica have been convincing customers to buy them Cafe XO Patron at 180,000 a shot. Only thing is, it's not a full shot of patron, clearly I could see / smell it was coke. Trinh is the worst culprit (skinny with no breasts) also a lady called Kim with big breasts and a dodgy eye!
'Hangover' (also now the same owner as 'The Pub') has taken to adding additional lady drinks to yr bill by saying, the girl asked if you would buy for her friend (who incidentally never came to drink with me) and you said yes! Bullshit.
Corner Bar seems pretty legit, the girls seem fairly honest, but I have still heard of over inflated bills at end of evening when the customer is well oiled, maybe the cashier / owner is the one pulling the wool.
Friends has lost a lot of its charm. Lam is a great host, but 90% of the staff leave because of her sister Ha. Stuck up rude and horrible to the staff. One girl that has remained is the perpetual gold digger Kim, skinny, short haired. A proper player, adds numerous fake drinks to yr bill, 199% money orientated and playing a stupid NZ guy and others for fools.
Luckily I have only been the victim of their underhand tactics a few times, but there are many less fortunate than me. Be careful, be aware.
I wandered into Gemstone one night recently. It was 8:30 or so, not active yet. One punter in there, only one, sitting at a back side table on a Macbook, just focused on his laptop, but it seemed like he bought all the girls drinks and then completely ignored them to just focus on his laptop. Maybe he wasn't a customer, I don't know. Some cute girls, some not. None were what I'd call a stunner. 3 m seems way too high even for the best ones.
Hey guys,
I'm in Saigon right now and looking for some fun at a hostess bar before everyone leaves for tet.
I'm not really looking for full service, just a hostess bar that offers some kind of booth privacy where I can grope the girl a bit. I went to a couple on Bui Vien but they made me sit at the bar to buy girlie drinks. It felt awkward to try and get handsy with a girl when all the other girls can see you.
Is there any good place for this? Busty girls would be a nice plus. I've been rather unlucky in that department as well. Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2139447]I wandered into Gemstone one night recently. It was 8:30 or so, not active yet. One punter in there, only one, sitting at a back side table on a Macbook, just focused on his laptop, but it seemed like he bought all the girls drinks and then completely ignored them to just focus on his laptop. Maybe he wasn't a customer, I don't know. Some cute girls, some not. None were what I'd call a stunner. 3 m seems way too high even for the best ones.[/QUOTE]The punter was probably a primary or secondary sponsor allowing himself to be milked by buying everyone drinks in order to please his shared resource. Seen it at other places regularly.
[QUOTE=TerryTagger;2141902]The punter was probably a primary or secondary sponsor allowing himself to be milked by buying everyone drinks in order to please his shared resource. Seen it at other places regularly.[/QUOTE]That's mental. If you sponsor a girl, it should be so she doesn't need to work. It's a hostess bar. Absurd to sit there watching her all night in a hostess bar. Her job is to host. But the guy is there cockblocking. What does he do in day time, stand in front of the rollercoaster so they can't go? So this guy is investing his money in cock-blocking.
Let me get this straight, the girl with the great butt is a mother? And wants 3 million for her services?
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2142693]That's mental. If you sponsor a girl, it should be so she doesn't need to work. It's a hostess bar. Absurd to sit there watching her all night in a hostess bar. Her job is to host. But the guy is there cockblocking. What does he do in day time, stand in front of the rollercoaster so they can't go? So this guy is investing his money in cock-blocking.
Let me get this straight, the girl with the great butt is a mother? And wants 3 million for her services?[/QUOTE]An old quote comes to mind, 'you can take a girl out of a bar but never take the bar out of a girl' or something similar. Sponsors really need to understand that they are holding a community share, not exclusive rights, and that is a concept ingrained in this communist country. Every hostess bar is the same, there are absolutely no exceptions, it all depends on the $ unless you are a complete ass wipe, then the $ amount increases.
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2139447]I wandered into Gemstone one night recently. It was 8:30 or so, not active yet. One punter in there, only one, sitting at a back side table on a Macbook, just focused on his laptop, but it seemed like he bought all the girls drinks and then completely ignored them to just focus on his laptop. Maybe he wasn't a customer, I don't know. Some cute girls, some not. None were what I'd call a stunner. 3 m seems way too high even for the best ones.[/QUOTE]He may be a manager type, or even a photographer / webmaster for the girls. His job includes managing the girls' pictures on the web (I. E. Photoshop and touch-up) as well as writing "fake news" positive reviews for the girl's service on the web. Of course, he has to be busy and will buy drinks for his girls, who could be his employees (if he is a manager) or his customers (if he is a photographer).
If you really know.
Cheers,
Don't these women ever shave their snatches.
[QUOTE=You69Me;2144470]Don't these women ever shave their snatches.[/QUOTE]My experience with Vn women is that "normal" girls don't shave. Have a 25 year old that I see and its a forest (I have posted pics of this in the "other area" Vn section). Talking to a horny lady in hanoi now, "weak" husband that wants someone to eat her and fuck her brains out. Told me "I never shave". Well. If its clean smelling, that's ok with me for a change of pace hehheheeh.
Don't you love girls that cheat on their husbands? Both I mention are married with these "weak" husbands as they describe them.
GG.
[QUOTE=You69Me;2144470]Don't these women ever shave their snatches.[/QUOTE]It never hurt to ask. My LTR in Hanoi is now keeping it clean for me because I asked.
Her husband got a surprise and became inquisitive. But she told him it was for his benefits.
Everything is fine.
So it looks like some of the bars in the D1 Bitexco area have upped their game and level of naughtiness.
Allegedly Voodoo and The Corner now offer FS upstairs for 2 mill. Any reliable info on this. Which girls are game?
[QUOTE=TerryTagger;2143886]An old quote comes to mind, 'you can take a girl out of a bar but never take the bar out of a girl' or something similar. Sponsors really need to understand that they are holding a community share, not exclusive rights, and that is a concept ingrained in this communist country. Every hostess bar is the same, there are absolutely no exceptions, it all depends on the $ unless you are a complete ass wipe, then the $ amount increases.[/QUOTE]So if I'm at Gemstone and hope to meet girl X but she's buried in her facebook on iphone with drink, and girl Q and are (both not attractive) are sticking themselves to me without invitation, how do I get to talk to girl X? In bars like this in the past, I was able to just go in and call over the one I wanted via mamasan. In this place it feels like a challenge to get to talk to the one you want to meet.
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2146360]So if I'm at Gemstone and hope to meet girl X but she's buried in her facebook on iphone with drink, and girl Q and are (both not attractive) are sticking themselves to me without invitation, how do I get to talk to girl X? In bars like this in the past, I was able to just go in and call over the one I wanted via mamasan. In this place it feels like a challenge to get to talk to the one you want to meet.[/QUOTE]Buy the Q (not attractive) girl a drink and asked her to call over girl X (attractive to you). They both don't mind since it is normal in their trades. They may play with you a bit by making you feel bad about girl Q, but in the end, they will go along. Just say "I will buy you a drink if you can call X to come over here. ".
Good luck.
[QUOTE=NguyetLang;2146986]Buy the Q (not attractive) girl a drink and asked her to call over girl X (attractive to you). They both don't mind since it is normal in their trades. They may play with you a bit by making you feel bad about girl Q, but in the end, they will go along. Just say "I will buy you a drink if you can call X to come over here. "
Good luck.[/QUOTE]Great advice, thank you. It seems so obvious and simple, but I sat there frustrated and didn't do anything smart like that.
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2139447]I wandered into Gemstone one night recently. It was 8:30 or so, not active yet. One punter in there, only one, sitting at a back side table on a Macbook, just focused on his laptop, but it seemed like he bought all the girls drinks and then completely ignored them to just focus on his laptop. Maybe he wasn't a customer, I don't know. Some cute girls, some not. None were what I'd call a stunner. 3 m seems way too high even for the best ones.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the guy that I've seen multiple times at Saigon Retro on Ho Tung Mau. Sits at the end of the bar on his laptop. Oddly, around the same time of night. I will be going back in a month or so. Will check.
Didn't have a lot of luck with the Bui Vien massage places this year. No gems uncovered and a lot of waste of time / money. Possibly still impacted by the end of Tet and limited supply.
So had to resort to taking a girl from Dalat bar back to the apartment but had to pay the premium of $500 k bar fine and $2 M for the girl.
Absolutely perfect spinner body which is really what sold me.
Back in the room she was sort of cold and unresponsive and when I finally tried to enter I could only go half way in she was that tight.
Her pussy was clearly infected with something it smelt like a bucket of prawns left out in the Aussie sun for a week, so I quickly finished and let her go.
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2147104]Great advice, thank you. It seems so obvious and simple, but I sat there frustrated and didn't do anything smart like that.[/QUOTE]In that place plus thanks and others I've seen guys simply walk up and grab their pussy or breast to get attention. I personally never tried that, but seen it done regularly without adverse reaction. Groping is the go in some hostess bars.
[QUOTE=Nomes2015;2145813]So it looks like some of the bars in the D1 Bitexco area have upped their game and level of naughtiness.
Allegedly Voodoo and The Corner now offer FS upstairs for 2 mill. Any reliable info on this. Which girls are game?[/QUOTE]Nope. Was there tonight. Asked about the upstairs. She said "for party of 4 or more people" and that's all. And I live here so I know how to ask and get a real answer.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2151321]Nope. Was there tonight. Asked about the upstairs. She said "for party of 4 or more people" and that's all. And I live here so I know how to ask and get a real answer.[/QUOTE]Correct Wander Luster, I asked as well. As for corner bar upstairs, it's a billiard room and nothing much is happening, too bad!
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2151321]Nope. Was there tonight. Asked about the upstairs. She said "for party of 4 or more people" and that's all. And I live here so I know how to ask and get a real answer.[/QUOTE]Wander Luster, Someone you know is trying to send you a message but he said your inbox is full.
[QUOTE=Corso33;2151399]Correct Wander Luster, I asked as well. As for corner bar upstairs, it's a billiard room and nothing much is happening, too bad![/QUOTE]Doesn't seem to exist anymore either due to ownership or staff change, but 3-4 years ago, fwiw, Saigon Retro offered at least you could go upstairs with a girl (service and price negotiable). I was offered this at least twice, but declined because they said no aircon upstairs, which is important to me. Ha.
Hello fellow mongers!
I am currently in Bali and will move to Japan for about a month, but after that I want to go somewhere just to have sex (preferably anal sex) and relax. Looking for any specific recommendations / links / numbers you have picked up in the regard. Is it worth coming to Ho Chi Minh City?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=SigkaPouro;2153695]Hello fellow mongers!
I am currently in Bali and will move to Japan for about a month, but after that I want to go somewhere just to have sex (preferably anal sex) and relax. Looking for any specific recommendations / links / numbers you have picked up in the regard. Is it worth coming to Ho Chi Minh City?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I love Saigon, and the girls there. If you are specifically looking for girls that will provide anal, and have some relaxation time; then I would not come to Vietnam for that. You will be doing a lot of work to dig up girls that will provide that service. It's a standard to provide anal in particular oily shops in Bangkok. I would suggest to come to Bangkok for what you are seeking. The shops that provide girls with A+ service are extensively documented on ISG Thailand forums.
[QUOTE=AsianLoverOz;2149221]Didn't have a lot of luck with the Bui Vien massage places this year. No gems uncovered and a lot of waste of time / money. Possibly still impacted by the end of Tet and limited supply.
So had to resort to taking a girl from Dalat bar back to the apartment but had to pay the premium of $500 k bar fine and $2 M for the girl.
Absolutely perfect spinner body which is really what sold me.
Back in the room she was sort of cold and unresponsive and when I finally tried to enter I could only go half way in she was that tight.
Her pussy was clearly infected with something it smelt like a bucket of prawns left out in the Aussie sun for a week, so I quickly finished and let her go.[/QUOTE]You guys are absolute experts in wasting money.
[QUOTE=Zeus9;2154287]I love Saigon, and the girls there. If you are specifically looking for girls that will provide anal, and have some relaxation time; then I would not come to Vietnam for that. You will be doing a lot of work to dig up girls that will provide that service. It's a standard to provide anal in particular oily shops in Bangkok. I would suggest to come to Bangkok for what you are seeking. The shops that provide girls with A+ service are extensively documented on ISG Thailand forums.[/QUOTE]Thank you for pointing me towards the right direction.
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2151596]Wander Luster, Someone you know is trying to send you a message but he said your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I emptied it. (.
[QUOTE=WanderLuster;2109220]P.S: don't even think about apocalypse now: fake breasts, almost all tired 32+ pros with average or below looks, and charge 1.5 X more than elsewhere. Also, they are so seasoned: they know all the games to play to get your money, quickly.[/QUOTE]The most shameless price quote I got a few weeks back from a 30+ pro at Apo was 7,5 Million, long time. I could not believe my ears.
There were only a few cute 25 year old girls, the rest were 30+ jaded hookers.
A girl had tried to get me in to the place many times "at least for a beer". One night after dinner I did so. I am probably a bit slow because I did not realize it was a girlie bar. The sign said "restaurant and caf" and she did not look like a typical bar girl. Her appearance was plain but I liked her.
She took me inside where there were no other customers and we had a very good time together. There was a lot of kissing and caressing and touching my (and hers) private parts. Another girl joined later.
After quite long time I took the two girls to a short time hotel for two hours. The girls were not beautiful but had a very good attitude and was really eager to make me satisfied. Actually I fell a sleep for a short time and was awakened by the two girls making an effort to make come one more time (which succeded).
If you come from North East, Bernie's bar is almost at the end of Bui Vien, on the left side. It can be hard to see the sign because of food sellers on the pavement.
Hi to all brothers.
I am coming from India for a small trip.
I will be staying in Hanoi for 5 days hotel not yet finalized, coming for a business trip but will be available for Saturday and Sunday.
Can anyone help me in giving some feedback on GFE hotel and what are the options to monger here.
Of course safety and security will be my first concern.
Any senior here can guide me, thanks in advance for your support. My PM is active.
Dear Mongers,
I will be visiting HCMC for 4 days towards the end of the month. Just wanted to check how's the bar scene at HCMC? I am sure not at level of Pattaya and bkk. But can you suggest any sure shot bars where I can hang out and pick the girls for the night?
Thanks in advance friends.
Safe Mongering,
LC.
[QUOTE=SigkaPouro;2153695]Hello fellow mongers!
I am currently in Bali and will move to Japan for about a month, but after that I want to go somewhere just to have sex (preferably anal sex) and relax. Looking for any specific recommendations / links / numbers you have picked up in the regard. Is it worth coming to Ho Chi Minh City?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Only for sex, then come to Nairobi!
[QUOTE=LewisCarrol;2166793]Dear Mongers,
I will be visiting HCMC for 4 days towards the end of the month. Just wanted to check how's the bar scene at HCMC? I am sure not at level of Pattaya and bkk. But can you suggest any sure shot bars where I can hang out and pick the girls for the night?
Thanks in advance friends.
Safe Mongering,
LC.[/QUOTE]There are a few bars on Pasteur St where the girls are playful and offer takeaway. Chica, Corner Bar and Gemstone have some definite's. I was told by an experienced expat that there is a new girl that just started work in The Bell, her name is Huynh or maybe Huyen. She is small bodied, cute and rumour has it she offers take away FS for 2 mill. I haven't been brave enough to ask her yet. Would love to hear from anyone that's tried and succeeded.
[QUOTE=Nomes2015;2171480]There are a few bars on Pasteur St where the girls are playful and offer takeaway. Chica, Corner Bar and Gemstone have some definite's. I was told by an experienced expat that there is a new girl that just started work in The Bell, her name is Huynh or maybe Huyen. She is small bodied, cute and rumour has it she offers take away FS for 2 mill. I haven't been brave enough to ask her yet. Would love to hear from anyone that's tried and succeeded.[/QUOTE]I would have to agree with Nomes there are a few bars on Pasteur that have girls offering services, will have to check out The Bell Bar next time. (although 2 m is a bit much even for LT with GFE) Can also at Fox bar, small girl with nice size boobs, always wears red lipstick, super playful, GFE. Her name is Huong always up for a good time after her shift. I think she has a sponsor now that hangs at the bar. So might want to pay it cool. But buy a few drinks and you will get the hint pretty quick if you play it right, she also said her friend is up for it too. Bigger boobs and a few tatts.
[QUOTE=Nomes2015;2171480]new girl that just started work in The Bell, her name is Huynh or maybe Huyen. She is small bodied, cute and rumour has it she offers take away FS for 2 mill.[/QUOTE]Update on the above. I ventured into The Bell around 9 pm a few nights ago, it was a party night. Managed to get chatting with Huynh, she calls herself Noi, small body, petite features, cute faced. Bought her a few lady drinks and then suggested I might like to meet her after work, the conversation got a bit suggestive, it was clear from her laughter and naughty looks that she is up for a good time. She says she finishes at 2 am and she is only available on Monday or Tuesday after work. She told me if I wanted to meet her I had to make the arrangement before 11 pm, sms her the address of where to meet and then wait for her. Don't come to the bar waiting for her to leave at 2 am because she wants to be discrete. The damage would be 1 mill for an hour or 2 mill for an overnight.
[QUOTE=Nomes2015;2174181]Update on the above. I ventured into The Bell around 9 pm a few nights ago, it was a party night. Managed to get chatting with Huynh, she calls herself Noi, small body, petite features, cute faced. Bought her a few lady drinks and then suggested I might like to meet her after work, the conversation got a bit suggestive, it was clear from her laughter and naughty looks that she is up for a good time. She says she finishes at 2 am and she is only available on Monday or Tuesday after work. She told me if I wanted to meet her I had to make the arrangement before 11 pm, sms her the address of where to meet and then wait for her. Don't come to the bar waiting for her to leave at 2 am because she wants to be discrete. The damage would be 1 mill for an hour or 2 mill for an overnight.[/QUOTE]And then she doesn't show. You call her out on it the next time, and she says, "some customers stay late, and boss say I cannot leave at 2 am" .
[QUOTE=Shiofuki;2174689]And then she doesn't show. You call her out on it the next time, and she says, "some customers stay late, and boss say I cannot leave at 2 am".[/QUOTE]I would always prefer to meet up daytime before she goes to work. At 3 am I'm too knackers and or pissed to get started with a girl. In my experience, the girls usually do show up and don't flake but I did have that happen too, just not often.
[QUOTE=BlueBaron;2174829]I would always prefer to meet up daytime before she goes to work. At 3 am I'm too knackers and or pissed to get started with a girl. In my experience, the girls usually do show up and don't flake but I did have that happen too, just not often.[/QUOTE]Definitely agree on the daytime idea, at least for myself. In fact, besides some of the other phone apps, there are a couple of websites that specifically talk about "daygame", but it seems oriented around picking up women at malls and such.
[QUOTE=Shiofuki;2175083]Definitely agree on the daytime idea, at least for myself. In fact, besides some of the other phone apps, there are a couple of websites that specifically talk about "daygame", but it seems oriented around picking up women at malls and such.[/QUOTE]Confirmed, most of the girls from Pasteur area would meet you for an afternoon delight if she feels comfortable with you in the bar but please don't overpay, 1 to 1.5 million is more than enough for a ST.
New to the scene in HCMC, been here a couple of times but never had the time to go out and really explore or monger. Met up with some locals at the a few bars named in the thread, but I was wondering what the recommendation is for meeting young drunk tourist types down for a good time?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051234]Wow. So you joined ISG just to post this comment. I sense something a miss here. First of all, no one will believe such a stupid post. Secondly, I've never been to a go go bar in Thailand or any other country where women don't continue to drink when they are drunk to make money from Lady drinks. Utterly ridiculous post and an obvious attempt to spread bad rumours about one bar that maybe no one here has even heard of before.[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly, Hangover is next to M52, in between Phatty and M52.
'Little Tokyo' on Ngô Văand andăm street and LE Thanh Ton is an area where you can find many Japanese and Korean KTV's. The laddies there are likely to offer sex, but still don't assume it is 100% going to happen. Kissing, HJ, BJ is more likely. Anything there will easily cost 2 mil vn dong and up.
Some good KTV places in Ho Chi Minh City are:
Kingdom Karaoke: 67-69 Phạm Viết Chánh, District 1 (It is similar to King, but the prices are slightly more reasonable).
Avatar Karaoke 63- 65 Phạm Viết Chánh, Nguyễand seeư Trinh Ward, District 1.
Mermaid 15/6 Thi Sac.
Cherry Club 8 A / A11 Thai Van Lung, Ben Nghe, Q1.
MGM 82 Võ Thị Sáyou, Tâand Đ7883;nh, Quậand 1 (FYou 467 Sư Vạand Hạnh, District 10 (A great place for party, most of its customers are Vietnamese but you have a good number of songs in English. The prices are reasonable.).
Stocking KTV 78 Nam Ky Khoi Nghia, District 1 (Korean style hostest bar; $100 for private room + tips, etc).
King Karaoke 31-33 Hai Ba Trung, beếand Nghé Ward, District 1 ([URL]http://kingkaraoke.vn/haibatrung/;[/URL] there is a menu online which has affordable room rates). I don't know if they will charge foreigners a different rate LOL. The service top-notch. Their VIP rooms can cost VND800,000 per hour, not including drinks. If you go to one place, I would recommend this place. Don't expect FS; but money talks, so who knows.
[URL]http://www.vnanchoi.com/forum/threads/tong-hop-cac-tu-diem-an-choi-cho-ae-tham-khao.8443/[/URL]
In Vietnamese. Let me know if you would like anything translated.
[QUOTE=Bleble;2182057][URL]http://www.vnanchoi.com/forum/threads/tong-hop-cac-tu-diem-an-choi-cho-ae-tham-khao.8443/[/URL]
In Vietnamese. Let me know if you would like anything translated.[/QUOTE]This will keep me busy.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2051234]Wow. So you joined ISG just to post this comment. I sense something a miss here. First of all, no one will believe such a stupid post. Secondly, I've never been to a go go bar in Thailand or any other country where women don't continue to drink when they are drunk to make money from Lady drinks. Utterly ridiculous post and an obvious attempt to spread bad rumours about one bar that maybe no one here has even heard of before.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha up to you to believe or not.
[QUOTE=Bleble;2182057][URL]http://www.vnanchoi.com/forum/threads/tong-hop-cac-tu-diem-an-choi-cho-ae-tham-khao.8443/[/URL]
In Vietnamese. Let me know if you would like anything translated.[/QUOTE]Hi Bleble,
I'm coming over Saigon on July for my bachelors party with 10 of my guy friends.
We need your help to translate some info from local vietnamese mongers that can lead us to.
Sexy Om or Caphe Om for day time fun.
Current Girly Bar we can have fun with nice looking girls.
Karaoke you already translate for us, but you are welcome to join us as a thank you!
Massage Spa the locals cam recommend?
Thanks bro!
[QUOTE=Chinkhuan;2192565]Hi Bleble,
I'm coming over Saigon on July for my bachelors party with 10 of my guy friends.
We need your help to translate some info from local vietnamese mongers that can lead us to.
Sexy Om or Caphe Om for day time fun.
Current Girly Bar we can have fun with nice looking girls.
Karaoke you already translate for us, but you are welcome to join us as a thank you!
Massage Spa the locals cam recommend?
Thanks bro![/QUOTE]I would have loved to join in with you guys. However I'm away on a business trip outside of VN for a while.
Guys,
Spread the word. Some of the bars in D1 around Pasteur street have been up to their old tricks again.
Xu bar near Navy has been ripping off customers during the world cup, preying on guys who are a little drunk and adding ridiculous numbers of lady drinks to the bill. Xu has been employing this tactic for years so be warned if you go near any of the bars operated by her. Xu, Cloud 9.
Legends Bar and My Place owned by another of the unsavory ladies who believe that racking up customers bills to compensate for their general emptiness is acceptable.
Kims Tavern has ripped customers off for years, but now has another location to prey on customers. Wild Cats. Part owned by Kim and two of her protege's (ex staff at Kim's).
Hangover and The Pub part owned by Han are two places to be careful of yr wallets. Inflated drink prices as the night gets later and adding ficticious lady drinks to yr bill. Leave a bitter taste in yr mouth.
Expats in HCMC, we should all be getting together spreading the word and putting these mercenary, cheating bitches out of business. If you ask to see the CCTV footage you will just get a shit load of excuses (Xu is the worst for this, she is so full of lies) half the time the cameras are not on.
Take care out there.