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[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Cost of living get's higher. So girls have to ask more. Othervise it will become more profitable to sit in offices, build careers and find young husbands instead of hanging about with clients. And the are still enough people willing to pay.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ][/QUOTE]
Hello fellow mongers,
Has any of you tried the [url]www.sashenka.ru[/url] agency, their prices seems to be a bit on the more expensive side, but check out the VIP-girls, atleast no fake pics and they look really cute, any tip or recommendation on this agency would be highly appr.
Merry Christmas all of you.
waster99... just curious why you keep posting the exact same message? At least change the Merry Christmas to Happy New Year!
Many of the girls on that site are from another website where you will be redirected to. The VIP girls... well there are some serious questions about them as well.
I actually had a friend get caught up with this group a year or so ago and I suggest that any serious monger who may be concerned about "exposure" from several fronts may want to avoid this website totally!
Not all, but most of the first timers definitely experience some of it…..
10 Things to do in Moscow...
1-Sight seeing on Arbat
2-Taking pics at Red Sq.
3-Riding on Moscow Metro
4-Searching girls on Internet
5- Trying to find a sauna/banya/massage parlor
6- Going to brothel type strip clubs for a BJ or 1000Ruble private dance
7-Riding with Gypsy taxi drivers to Tochka’s
8-Taking pics of every single beautiful woman (admit it)
9-Networking girls at Karma, Propaganda, Papa Jones, CF, NF, Metalitsa, First, Fabrique
10-Chit chat with Militia (I did it in my first time- I saw an amazing beauty on Arbat, I changed my direction and followed her, than I got lost. There she was, awesome red headed militia; asked her directions but she ignored me::(( )
What about you?
bbaj... one thing that I would change is... 1000 ruble lap dance to 100 ruble lap dance. Personally I wouldn't pay $35+ for three minutes of rubbing by anyone... almost! :)
BUT, I would add...
A day at Izmailovo Park flea market/tourist market...
Attending a performance of the Bolshoi, even if you think "Nutcraker" is a movie about Hillary Clinton...
Going to a disco at midnight with the sky still light and leaving at 0400 with the sun coming up...
Walking in the snow around Patriarshy Pond....
Watching fireworks over Red Square...
Giving some money to a very old babushka begging on a small side street because she is so hobbled that she can't make it to Tverskaya, and seeing the appreciation in her eyes...
Giving a second or third orgasm to a new 18 y.o. tochka girl from Ukraine trying to earn enough to return home for her wedding, and seeing a new appreciation in her eyes that there was more than just screwing if someone was patient enough to take some time to make it happen.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Not all, but most of the first timers definitely experience some of it…..
10 Things to do in Moscow...
1-Sight seeing on Arbat
2-Taking pics at Red Sq.
3-Riding on Moscow Metro
4-Searching girls on Internet
5- Trying to find a sauna/banya/massage parlor
6- Going to brothel type strip clubs for a BJ or 1000Ruble private dance
7-Riding with Gypsy taxi drivers to Tochka’s
8-Taking pics of every single beautiful woman (admit it)
9-Networking girls at Karma, Propaganda, Papa Jones, CF, NF, Metalitsa, First, Fabrique
10-Chit chat with Militia (I did it in my first time- I saw an amazing beauty on Arbat, I changed my direction and followed her, than I got lost. There she was, awesome red headed militia; asked her directions but she ignored me::(( )
What about you?[/QUOTE]
On an earlier trip I stayed at the Sretenskaya at a pretty good rate and I liked it. I think it was on the order of $200. Now their rates seem to have gone up considerably and my hotel limit is $239.
So are there any good options for combination of business (e.g. internet) and mongering in a somewhat lower price range than the Radisson, National, Sheraton etc. And of course its nice to centrally located. I know I'm asking for a lot.
Is there any particularly effective strategy for getting the best rate.
This trip is only 4 days so an apartment is probably not something I want to organize this time.
OE
By the way Happy New Year.
Hello everybody,
I live in Moscow and I can give you some advices.
As for me, I prefer mature and older women (to see [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url],
[url]www.ston.ru[/url], [url]www.putana.nu[/url], [url]www.sextalk.ru[/url] - there are real reports about girls).
Good luck.
It seems that having a mobile phone is a prerequisite to locating the apartments. How difficult is it to buy a prepaid SIM chip for a GSM phone in Moscow? What would it cost?
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]It seems that having a mobile phone is a prerequisite to locating the apartments. How difficult is it to buy a prepaid SIM chip for a GSM phone in Moscow? What would it cost?[/QUOTE]It's very easy. For 100-150 rubles. If you become my client I'll give you one as a present :))
Its very easy to get a sim card, there are mobile phone shops on nearly every street corner. Some providers require your registration, others dont. I think it also depends on the shop. However zou can always get a sim card without any registration or hassle from some providers, for example Megafon. The bigger shops almost always have at least one dorky looking kid who speaks English.
Its cheap... something like $10 to get the card and then you have to buy the prepaid cards which are usually 100, 300 or 500 rubles. It will make your local calls much much much cheaper. I consider it a must.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Not all, but most of the first timers definitely experience some of it…..
Things to do in Moscow...
[/QUOTE]
Did you leave out these highlights? What happened to?
1. Having several bystanders in the underground watch unimpressed
as you get the shit kicked out of you by muggers in the middle of
the afternoon?
2. Getting fleeced for $100 at AK-47 point by the police courtesy
of the mamachka you just paid $200 for simply trying to drive her
tochka girl back to your place?
What newbie should miss these Muscovy delights?
Bez,
I just wanna highlight the general ones, but of course there are lots of such hustles and incidents that can only be happened in Moscow.
*In fancy restaurants they have the English menus but almost none of the waitresses speak English.
*You have been coming to Moscow almost very month in last 2 years; but still you wait too long for security check.
*You rented a car with driver to take you to 40 min drive from Moscow; after 6 hours long meeting you found the driver drunk and felt a sleep at your car. You called the dispatcher (suppose to understand English) to send you a new car; she insisted on talking with the drunk driver who was sleeping at that moment.
*You ordered Bacardi lime in a popular bar but they don’t have ice. But at the same time they prepared frozen margarita.
and so on...
etaoin2003,
BTW - Don't forget to make sure that your GSM phone is unlocked! Also, that it will operate in the correct frequency.
Hi
I just got back from Moscow, i stayed at the Katerina Hotel near the Swiss Bussiness Center.
The address is Hotel Katerina-Сity
Address: Building 1, 6 Shluzovaya embankment, Moscow, 113114, Russia
Tel: +7 495 795-2444
Fax: +7 495 795-2443
4000 rubls a night, excellent Hotel that i do recomend to anybody that is looking for a clean hotel near the center.
It was worth the money for me everybody in the hotel speaks Inglish , if your are travelling from anywheir in the world just call them or send them a Fax they are promt they dont ask for credit card to make a reservation, for Visa to Russia contuct Go To Russia in Atlanta and for a Nice hotel call the Katerina, you can bring in woman to your room no Questions asked.
They also do your registration on the spot.
SexyM
Interesting... another hotel recommendation near Paveletskaya. Do you have to book the room for 2 people if you want your GF to stay the night?
Currently I am in Moscow. I will be here till Saturday night (14/1). Last Saturday night (7/1) and Monday night were awesome at CF.
Saturday night; I made 30.000Rubles at CF and spent all of it at Mister XXX.
I met 2 Internet girls. Not that great. I will see another one tonight (34 years old Uzbek [url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=17491[/url])
Il Patio at Atrium opposite of CF at Kurskaya has best thin and crispy pizzas.
Sun Light at Nowy Arbat(New Arbat) is a quality joint; we smoked kalyan/hokka (red wine with apple flavored 1600Rb; cognac with apple flavored 1800Rb) Lots of babes stopped by for a coffee or to smoke kalyan.
Café House at Tverskaya next to NF is one of the must see place around midnight. Lots of NF girls stopped by before or after their shifts…
I will write detailed reports in couples of days. I also found some great restaurants and places.
Katerina looks nice on the web but 4000 rub? Must have been low, low season.
I just called Katerina for Jan 15 -19 and they quoted me 11,000 as their best rate.
Maybe they were full and that we a suite, and all that was left.
Looking forward to the trip, nevertheless.
OE
That is low season, during the Russian holidays between New Year and Russian Christmas on Jan 7. The prices are at their lowest during this time because there are virtually no business travelers and the hotels are fairly empty.
If I may, one questions about saunas (Banyas).
Last time I was in Moscow I searched one out. Unfortunarely I didn't write down the name but it was about two Metro stops out past Hotel Sretenskaya.
It actually took me two trips to find it using some directions from the web. It was in an apartment building, at the back and in the basement. I don't know what I was expecting but there was no neon sign saying "Banya - Girls". So it took some work.
This particular one had no group of girls waiting for me to select from. But somehow I communicaterd my angst and the management put me on the phone with some guy who spoke English and was willing to have one sent over for $200.
At that point I decided that if I was to pay that amount I would rather make my own choice so I exited and went to NF where I had made a good choice for that amount the night before.
From some recent communications it sounds like there may be saunas and there are saunas.
Are there some saunas where you can choose from a selection of girls already there or is the approach to arrange a girl from the internet or at CF, PJ, NF etc and meet her there or take her there?
Erotic-massage.ru was described as a salon, which sounds to be different from a sauna with girls ready to meet you!
I may try to search this one out this trip with the directions given by others.
The best way would be to ask a russian colleague for help but I'm not that willing yet to be that open with this group. So...
Maybe I'll make a friend on the airplane.
OE
Beg to differ... With the Rossiya closed, I doubt you will find a "low" season in Moscow for the next few years. I know I tried to get a deal on an apartment for the NYE weekend and my old place was totally booked and he laughed at me when I wanted a place someplace else. In fact, I imagine that you will soon see another round of price increases.
Even Sveta is now renting her own set of apartments, which I am very pleased about.
CAT,
Do you think the Rossiya was a real alternative for western tourists and businesspeople? Particularly in the last 4 or 5 years?
Good for Sveta! Is she advertising to the public, or just working off of her list of private clients?
strav... good question, but I don't think it matters. If the demand is there, those people will have to stay someplace, be it a hotel or an apartment. Every time an available room is filled there is less supply for others. Naturally, once the hotels and apartment people figure out that they can add X% to the price and they stay full, the price will keep creaping up...
You only have to look at the price of my old places to see that the prices have gone up about 40 or 50% since last March when I turned it over. Plus, I hear that they are fully booked much of the time, I suspect that the prices will increase another 20-30% in the next six months. I may be wrong, but I don't think so.
Don't really know much about Sveta's operation. I only found out about it when I wrote her asking her to move to Odessa to run one of my new operations here. That is when she told me she had the flats and didn't even give me her website name. Another friend passed that on to me. In any case, I wish her the best and I know that she will do very well!
Hi,
My mongering friends from Moscow!
I "have" to spend a week in March, in Moscow and will stay at the Hotel Baltschug.
Do you know about problems, if you want to bring a girl, especially a freebie?
Or is it like the EE Radisson SAS Hotels, where the security guy only wants his peace of the cake?
Thank you!
I am in town next week and the forecast says -30 ! Jesus guys, thats cold, but will there be any tochkas operating in these conditions? Does anyone know which ones will be open and if not what happens to the girls - do they relocate indoors?
Hello Boys!
I am leaving to Moscow tomorrow, 17th of janaury for two weeks. I am going to work there bit definitly I am also going to spoil myself we a few hot russian ladys! Would be nice to have "partners-in-crime". Maybe organise some orgies and have five boys fucking ten girls? Who wants to join? PM me, I am looking forward. Attached a picture of a nice moment.
Cheers!
CrystalCowboy
Spent most of the night at CF…Play roulette and saw several internet girls at day time….Only Alexandiria worth to see again…
I met Alexandiria and her friends at her apartment at Novoslobodskaya. I even surprised how I found this place. She did not speak English, I called her and she gave the directions to the driver. She welcomed me and offered tea. It was a four room apartment, 5 girls were sitting at the kitchen smoking and chatting. Got flippers and drank tea(as usual), took shower and moved one of the rooms. Old furnishers with sofa/bed. She looks better than her pics. Smooth boobs to die for. No Greek, LFK, no CIM, Cno CIF, covered BJ, cowgirl and doggy. Two rounds for $100. Not too corporative but friendly, not GFE nor business like.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=24379[/url]
The most memorable moments were brunch at Vienna café, lunches at Il Patio at Atrium...
If you take the irregular taxis, try to ignore road fleas jıgulis. Most of the jıguli drivers are crazy. Drive like madman.
Once I wrote about how risky to go to incalls. I always worried inside. I pushed my luck.
Malls and cafes are good locations to meet girls…
Long of short, Black Eyed Peas last song composed for Moscow girls…SHE MAKE YOU SPENDİNG…SHE MAKE YOU WORK…SHE MAKE YOU CRAZY….
I had a rough day, and needed a massage, so I looked up a nearby lady on the Internet, and walked through the ice and snow over to house. Here is her web site, I recommend you take a look before reading any more:
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=17909[/url]
Now, she has no english ability, and my Russian sucks, but I guess its good enough to get her address and directions over the phone. After a 10 minute walk though - 20 degrees I was at her door, and she let me in, wearing a negligee. After some niceties, we got down to business, and she gave me a pro massage - I opted for the 2 hour special, since I really needed a massage. BTW, she provided a lot of niceties, such as the towel she gave me for the shower was heated.
When the massage ended, she got down to business, and provided the standard "no sex" Russian happy ending, very sexy, she used her hair between my legs, lots of light touching, and finally the inevitable HJ. I tried to hold out, but her ass was so tight, there was no way.
As I went out the door, she told me "please come back", in Russian, of course.
Explorer,
Next time you're looking for massage, you might try erotic-massage.ru. They are a fairly professional organization, by Russian standards. The "polni progromm", massage and full service sex is 2000r for an hour.
BBAJ,
молодец!
Congrats on your apt. visit. Sounds like it was worthwhile.
I forgot to mention Katya
Last Sunday I went to her place at Prospekt Mira. Well, as usual the girl on the phone and Katya were not the same. Katya did not speak a word; luckily we understood each other.
When we enter her two room apartment, someone already banging her flatmate. She was a screamer. We headed to her room, my deal was $50 for two hours (actually two rounds). We started with DFK, I could taste the vodka in her breath; any way someone made a great job with comp. She definitely gained weight(not chubby but there are some extras on her belly and ass). Uncovered BBJ, cowgirl, doggy, anal sex and ended with CIF. After the first round, we drank vodka and tried to chat a little, took shower (thank god there was hot water, she gave me a hand towel to dry myself) Second round was better than the first one. Overall, I don’t recommend her. By the way she was not 19. Same girl on the web page but older. [url]http://www.zna.nu/vg.php?id=1135870146&pic=11[/url]
And stay away from her girl friend Olya [url]http://www.zna.nu/1137144836[/url]
Somebody is in Moscow in between Monday Jan 30th and Friday February 3rd?
Just for some beers (seeking girls) at some bars/clubs…
PM me if you like.
IT
Hi everybody,
I hope somebody can help me!
I will be in Moskow for some days in february. Can somebody answer me
3 questions please:
- Is the kempinsky girlfriendly or can I find girls in the bar there?
- Do somebody can give me some internet addresses where to find escortgrils in Moskow? Please in english because most of them are in russian!
- maybe some other tips where to find girls?
Thanks a lot,
C.
For a few months I've been completely swarmed with work back home, but now I'm finally going back to Mother Russia. I haven't yet checked the forums for any recent developments, so my question is, how are things with accomodations? I've always used moscow-star up until my last visit, but throughout the summer the quality had been deteriorating. I haven't been to Moscow since, I think, August, so maybe they've gotten better, I don't know.
In any case, a quick forum search didn't bring up anything relevant, but maybe someone can share something on this? I'm definitely not interested in hotels, I want an apartment, central location, and the more luxurious the better.
109... just a quick comment. With the Rossiya closing even the trash spots are raising their rates and will be full all of the time which means less need for customer service.
My old assistant, Sveta, has apparently started a new apartment rental place and one of my old clients is here now and tells me that her operation is similar in all aspects to my old operation before I sold it. Her website is [url]www.moscow-comfort.com[/url]
I think she only has a handful of places so she may be full as well.
You could also try one of the RE companies, Blackwood, Beatrix, to name a couple.
If you write Sveta, you shoud not mention ISG because I don't think she knows anything about it.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]For a few months I've been completely swarmed with work back home, but now I'm finally going back to Mother Russia. I haven't yet checked the forums for any recent developments, so my question is, how are things with accomodations? I've always used moscow-star up until my last visit, but throughout the summer the quality had been deteriorating. I haven't been to Moscow since, I think, August, so maybe they've gotten better, I don't know.
In any case, a quick forum search didn't bring up anything relevant, but maybe someone can share something on this? I'm definitely not interested in hotels, I want an apartment, central location, and the more luxurious the better.[/QUOTE]
Thanks CaT, I'll give those a try. Damn it, how come things are so bad in Moscow with accomodations? We should have started a donation drive at ISG to bribe you into never leaving moscow-star.
109:
Things are bad as Ca_T has lamented.... I just got a quote of $500 on a single room from the Sheraton... :(
But booked a $145 studio from Sveta instead. Technically speaking, $145 is too much for the small studio I am getting, but that is current market price.
Basically there is a horrific undercapacity on rooms in Moscow and relief is at least 2 years away...
I have greatly enjoyed reading the steady banter on the Moscow ISG site.
This is my chance to contribute a little back. Unfortunately, not as much as I had hoped. I don’t get to Moscow often. The first time was a year ago September when I was there for about three days without obligations and had two enjoyable trips to Night Flight and one to Oh La La. I reported on those in 2004. This time my hosts had me tightly scheduled and I was amazingly cold so I did not have the flexibility to do as much mongering as I desired. So I’ll report on a broader range of topics than sex.
Arrival: I had a late arrival Sunday night at Sheremetevo-2. We unloaded about 530PM and did not clear immigration until 800PM. Important to always keep this long wait in mind when making pick up arrangements. Fortunately my friend was aware of this.
Hotel: My host had arranged for me to stay at the Hotel Academicheskaya which is near Leninskii Prospect near Oktyabrskaya Metro (both brown and yellow). Many of you guys travel in different circles when it comes to hotels. On this trip I didn’t have much flexibility. There are pros and cons with this place. The biggest pro is the price. A single is 4600 rub (~$120)(including the 18% tax) and that is hard to find in Moscow. The rooms were recently remodeled and basically nice but small. The location is actually quite convenient for Metro and gypsy taxi. But there are serious looking security guys on the 1st floor so I knew right away that arranging internet girls to visit me there or bringing girls home was probably out of the question. Also there is no internet in the rooms and only one computer in a room near the desk that was not operational for the first day I was there. Luckily I had brought a ream of printouts from ISG.
Cash: I had no luck using either my debit or credit cards at some cash machines, especially those located on their own like in the hotel lobby or in a Kofe house. I kept getting messages saying “your bank refuses”. I know these cards work overseas because I use them in Paris all the time. Eventually I was able to draw cash on my Visa using cash machines attached to a bank. Anyone else had this problem? Luckily I had brought a bunch of money that I changed on the street.
Transportation: The Metro is definitely very good and you can shoot quickly all over Moscow. The 10 ride ticket is convenient. The trains come about every 2 minutes. Most are deeply buried as they were also bomb shelters during the cold war. Also each station has its own unique design. But often the Metro will usually deposit you within a good walk of your destination. Normally not bad but with T = -28C it was just too cold for walking and I couldn’t do much of that. So I tried the gypsy cab approach described on these pages and can testify that that works great. I would just stand on the closest busy street facing the direction I wanted to go, hold out my hand and a car would stop usually within 1 min. I would tell the guy where to go and had it written down as a back up. In some cases I knew the directions better that the driver and would give them directions with naleva (left), naprava (right) and pryama (straight). (I use that same approach in Istanbul where I lived for 6 months and also know my way around very well). I had usually studied a map so I knew exactly where to go. I also found that many of these guys could not look at my map when I tried to show them but asked for the Metro stop instead. I concluded that many of them probably have not had much experience looking at maps and don’t know how to deal with that. One guy bringing me home from Oh La La got lost twice and stopped by police twice. The police stop people right and left at all time of the day seemingly as a strategy for checking registrations and for drinking. I felt bad for him so gave him more. In all other cases I just gave the driver 200 rub and asked if that was OK, and it always was.
Culture: My host got tickets for the Bolshoi Monday night and we saw Giselle. I saw that in Seattle in the 1970s when the Bolshoi was touring the US. The main Bolshoi stage is being renovated so we were in the “New Stage”. Smaller but still very nice. When I was younger I did not think ballet was my thing but this was just amazing and now I’m a convert. I can’t believe how long they stand on their toes. Their body control is just amazing. It wasn’t sold out so take it in if you can.
My host took me south of town to Kolomenskoe. This is a large park setting on the Moscow River that was the site of a magnificent wooded palace build for Czar Alexey (17th century). Unfortunately this was one of those very cold days so walking around was painful. This place should be really nice to explore under just about any other weather.
Food: Using the eXile Restaurant list as a guide we went to Ketama one night. This place is Middle Eastern (lamb, couscous, octopus salad, baklava) and I rank it right up there with Night Flight was a great meal in Moscow. Its on Bolshaya Dmitrovka 5 / 6 and upstairs. Lots of cushions for sitting. It is expensive. I like the ethnic type places so Tiflis (Georgian) and Old Havana (Cuban) were on my list but will have to be for next time. Went to Real McCoy for dinner after the Bolshoi as well. That was just when the cold snap began and it was basically empty, but we were on the early side (~10PM) of a Monday night.
But suddenly it was Tuesday, time was flying by with no action – so based on my previous experience and Banana Finger’s great descriptive account I went straight to Oh La La at 1100. I was horny. This was a -25C night. What a stroke to your manhood and ego this place is! There were probably 30 girls and maybe 3 other guys. BF had indicated that he would be in town but most of the guys there that night were Russian. Everyone was crowded into the front room because the bar as the back room was decidedly colder. And if you are walking around half naked that is a big factor. I was just mauled by hard bodied, good looking women. I felt like fresh meet with dollars to spend. One girl after the other would take their turn, stroking my chest then my legs. Taking my hand to explore all parts of their bodies. Simulating sex (I was sitting on a stool at the bar). Hands in my zipper making be so very hard, and laughing about it. I probably enjoyed about 10 of these. I was intent to not be in a hurry but the second dance by Deana from Uzbekistan just had me so turned on I just had to go to the room ($150). There we undreased and I was confronted by a virtual wild woman. This had to have been the wildest sex that I have ever experienced. She fucked herself on my tongue for what seemed like eternity. Then wild fucking in several positions up, down and sideways. I was just wasted after than.
I really wanted to try the salon (erotic-massage.ru) near Patriarshy prudy but couldn’t connect. I did a reconnaissance on Monday when I had an hour or so of free time. I found the street, building, arch and courtyard where it is located. But I ran out of time. I returned the next day with more time and a copy of the web page. I asked some guys coming out of one of the buildings and they said that the place I thought I had the phone for was actually out by Filyovsky Park Metro (way to the east). It was so cold that I couldn’t do any more of that kind of research. So I realized that I was stuck. I didn’t have the apt number or correct phone number. I did a PM to someone who knew and got the entry and apt (but didn’t think to ask for the phone). On Wednesday my hosts kept me busy most of the afternoon. I kept trying to say that I had to leave but by the time did, took a Metro and had dropped my stuff at the hotel and took a cab up to the Pond it was 530PM. I found the apartment and rang but they said no. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. I don’t think anyone has really said but I have the impression that these salons are afternoon kinds of places. 5:30 is probably too late. Or probably they just didn’t like that I hadn’t called first. But I didn’t have the number. So I apologize for my bad manners in this case.
I was trying to do all this without a cell phone. I really don’t need one for any other reason – at least for these occasional 3-4 day visits. So it seems like a waste to get one just to go to a salon. But if I was going to stay longer or more frequently and also be in the position where I could call internet girls, I would probably do so.
With each visit I pick up a few more words of Russian but I spend so much time in France these days that learning French is consuming my language energy. My small goal this time was to get better at reading crylic – and I did that.
So sorry for this long winded account (mostly about tourism) but I do look forward to another trip to Moscow and I hope it is not for another 1-2 years. CaT described Moscow as a smorgasbord of sexual options. Next time I’ll see if I can figure out salons and saunas.
OE
Similar to Thailand and FKK tours in Germany? Any available?
Would be nice not having to worry about planning for lodging,transportation and booking the girls.
Any sexentrepreneur in Russia?
109... Thanks for the kind words!
HOWEVER... stand by for a new announcement in the next month or so about a "new" opportunity for you! And, it won't even require passing the hat!
Besides... the ABSOLUTE best thing that ever happened to me is leaving Moscow and moving to Odessa!
Ocean Explorer,
Thanks for the report. Too bad you didn't have more free time in Moscow.
Internet access shouldn't be a problem. If it's not available in your hotel, there are lots of internet cafes around the city, particularly in the center of town.
The salons do tend to be afternoon/early evening kinds of places. If you call in advance and let them know you're coming, they might hold a spot for you, but if they suddenly get slammed, they can also tell you to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off, after all, they've only got so many rooms in those small apartments. Best time is around 13:00 to 15:00. By that time, all the girls are ready for work, and the commuter rush still hasn't started.
Phone numbers are on the website. I believe Patriarshi Prudi is now on an alternate site, pussycats.ru. A cell phone is really a must if you want to connect with internet girls and salons. Any unlocked GSM phone should work. You can buy a prepaid card on the street to use while you are in town. Make sure your phone works with the correct frequency, I think it's 900.
Your knowledge of French will actually help you with your Russian vocabulary. The Russian aristocracy never spoke Russian (although they could), they considered it beneath them, so they spoke French much of the time. Once you can read and pronounce the Cyrillic alphabet, you'll be surprised at how many familiar words you will encounter.
BTW - it's a lot warmer in summer ;)
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Similar to Thailand and FKK tours in Germany? Any available?
Would be nice not having to worry about planning for lodging,transportation and booking the girls.
Any sexentrepreneur in Russia?[/QUOTE]What exactly you would like to get? Write to me and all can be arranged. To tell you the truth I've not the idea what they offer in FKK or Thailand, but about Moscow I know all, as I was born here ;)
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]At Hotel old and ugly girls sit.In Hotel Baltshug it is not necessary to pay for pass of the girl.Only necessary to see off back from Hotel.[/QUOTE]Can also add that the grandmothers in Baltchug are not just ugly, but also expensive :))
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]Girls speaking English [url]www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url] or [url]www.yourfantasy.ru[/url]
I hope somebody can help me!
I will be in Moskow for some days in february. Can somebody answer me
3 questions please:
- Is the kempinsky girlfriendly or can I find girls in the bar there?
- Do somebody can give me some internet addresses where to find escortgrils in Moskow? Please in english because most of them are in russian!
- maybe some other tips where to find girls?
Thanks a lot,
C.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE][url]www.callhelena.narod.ru[/url]
English speaking perfect lady :)))
[QUOTE=It Travel]Somebody is in Moscow in between Monday Jan 30th and Friday February 3rd?
Just for some beers (seeking girls) at some bars/clubs…
PM me if you like.
IT[/QUOTE]I'm here :)))
[quote=rep001lover]hi,
my mongering friends from moscow!
i "have" to spend a week in march, in moscow and will stay at the hotel baltschug.
do you know about problems, if you want to bring a girl, especially a freebie?
or is it like the ee radisson sas hotels, where the security guy only wants his peace of the cake?
thank you![/quote]both in kempinsky and radisson you must meet the girl dounstairs and take her out. then you don't have to pay security.
[QUOTE=Vo Vand]Hello everybody,
I live in Moscow and I can give you some advices.
As for me, I prefer mature and older women (to see [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url],
[url]www.ston.ru[/url], [url]www.putana.nu[/url], [url]www.sextalk.ru[/url] - there are real reports about girls).
Good luck.[/QUOTE]You living here? How it could happen that we never met? Or have we? :)
Does anyone know what places are good for picking up girls in Moscow? Is Boar House still popular? I would like to avoid tourist spots if possible.
CaT: Ooh, that's very good to hear. I'm getting all tingly inside. Starting this year I will be switching away from Moscow though and spending more time in the Ukraine. After checking out your and Doc's little private party in the Odessa forum it I really want to start my own Odessa file. Maybe I can catch at least one EU town before it's all been spoiled.
First off, at the moment, there are lots of empty hotel rooms in Moscow due to the extreme cold, although it is true that there will be a deficit when things warm up.
Secondly, most VISA cards do get blocked for use in Russia, this is virtually automatic now. You need to call your credit card/debit card company, using the telephone number on the back, and ask for the "fraud prevention" department, to which you will be transferred (you should do this before leaving the USA obviosuly). Tell them the dates you will be in Russia, and to unblock your card.
Since they may re-block it at any time, carry multiple cards to avoid embarassment.
Yes! That's not just with Visa either. I had pretty much everything blocked on me. While fleetingly annoying, it's really very comforting.
However, I wouldn't recommend bringing extra cards "just in case". On the contrary, after a series of blocks I stopped bringing any cards to Russia except my ATM card. I fill all the remaining slots in my wallet with expired Gold and Platinum cards so it doesn't look silly when I open it in front of a dyev. I never felt particularly comfortable using credit cards in Russia anyway, after I had a bunch of unauthorized charges put on my cards after a visit to St Petersburg in 2003.
Two weeks ago, before the extreme cold weather, I also tried to use visa credit card and Mastercard card to withdraw Rubles and Dollars. But both cards had to be blocked.
When I talked with my bank, they said that lately there had been too many ATM frauds happened in Moscow. Therefore to protect the customers, international banks and card services blocked most of the cards when they were used in ATM'S in Moscow.
They also suspected that bank employees were part of it. Not only I was warned about the ATM, they also warned for "double post machines". Some customer's credit cards had been doubled in fancy resturants.
"CASH IS KING"....QUATED IN NF
I had similar problems too in 2002, now I solved them using a Master Card (I have a five digit PIN) only in some ATMs.
The ones from Seberbank Rossii (wrong spelling I know...) and from the ATM which is in the Delta lounge of Izmailovo Hotel...
I never use the shop or metro ATMs, where it's easy to put recording systems and cameras for taking the PIN.
Other ATMs not to be used are the ones at the arrival at SVO 2 terminal. I have seen guys trying to look at you when composing the PIN (!) and then surely taking in some way an alectronic copy of your CC, or direcly from your wallet!.
By the way I never use a CC in a bar, shop or restaurant (Elisevsky or Gastronom n° 1 as you like to call it excluded).
If you need cash bring it from home, or get in a bank (a reliable one) with CC, Passport, visa and registration, and preferably another ID (some asked me for two) ad get your RUR. It will cost you 3-4 %, but it's totally safe.
IT
By the way nobody is in Moscow next week?
And somebody has infos on these girls I've contacted....
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613288[/url]
An 18 teen offering afternoon services... for long period and monthly fee (good english) even weekly fees...
And:
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=612293[/url]
Diana interpreter-mistress (!) interested in weekly services but already 34 y.o.
And last two teens... one 23 and one 22
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613409[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=603320[/url]
I would be very interested specially if some body can PM me the last two telephones, they leave out only ICQ.
IT
In previous visits, I had no problems in cash withdraw from Finansbank and Citibank.
I prefer to use Bank ATM's for several reasons as IT mentioned.
Once I had late lunch at Hard Rock Cafe in Arbat. I asked check and gave my credit card. They brought someone else platinum express card with my credit card. I was stupidly honest, that's why I called the shift manager and gave him the card.
Since than I only use cash.
[QUOTE=It Travel]And:
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=612293[/url]
Diana interpreter-mistress (!) interested in weekly services but already 34 y.o.
IT[/QUOTE]I'm also interested in the services of this woman and would appreciate any feedback on how it worked for you.
Hi,
from my expierence I never had any problem to get cash in Russia with VISA card. I use german one supplied by LUFTHANSA or the one supplied by my bank. I dont know if the mentioned problem only for in America issued cards appears. Since Russian authorithies still in big love with with american basics.
ATM's I use are only from Western Bank's like Citibank or USB
I use the CC also to pay in restaurant but only in places I know since Years.
Knocking on wood in the past 10 Years no problems...
Cheers
Shos
Shos:
Actually I was thinking the same thing... I have a gold visa from a Euro bank and also have never had problems... neither at ATMs, restaurants or shops... (hear me knocking loudly on wood)...
BTW: nice to hear from you! I am in "your apartment" and enjoying the Moscow winter weather... Moscow in winter rules! Very special atmosphere...
give me a call or PM, would be great to launch another Russian front offensive!
Hi Doc,
real pitty that you have to stay there without wingman....
Anyhow if you feel lonly I stored a present box with 4 bottles wodka on the rooftop from the sleeping room cabinet... :-)
Russian winter is IMHO the best season to visit Moscow...Hope this maniacs left some snow in the city because usally the use thousand's of trucks to carry this lovely powder out of the town...
Tuesday we got, o.k. forget about PJ...PZ is on tonight..
Cheers
Shos
[QUOTE=Shostakovich]Hi Doc,
real pitty that you have to stay there without wingman....
Anyhow if you feel lonly I stored a present box with 4 bottles wodka on the rooftop from the sleeping room cabinet... :-)
Russian winter is IMHO the best season to visit Moscow...Hope this maniacs left some snow in the city because usally the use thousand's of trucks to carry this lovely powder out of the town...
Tuesday we got, o.k. forget about PJ...PZ is on tonight..
Cheers
Shos[/QUOTE]"Russian winter is IMHO the best season to visit Moscow..." - Don't forget to bring your downcoat, a couple of sweaters and shoes with fur inside to enjoy the weather :)))))
[QUOTE=Eastwood777]Does anyone know what places are good for picking up girls in Moscow? Is Boar House still popular? I would like to avoid tourist spots if possible.[/QUOTE]Boar House is the second tourist spot in Moscow after Night Flight =))) Girls are almost everywhere. Some you can find in News Pub and Jet-Set.
[QUOTE=Camieleke]Hi everybody,
I hope somebody can help me!
I will be in Moskow for some days in february. Can somebody answer me
3 questions please:
- Is the kempinsky girlfriendly or can I find girls in the bar there?
- Do somebody can give me some internet addresses where to find escortgrils in Moskow? Please in english because most of them are in russian!
- maybe some other tips where to find girls?
Thanks a lot,
C.[/QUOTE]In Kempinsky girls are ugly and expensive. Call me I speak fluent English and help you in everything.
I have usually had no problem getting cash from machines associated at or inside a real bank. The ones I could not access were isolated on the street or in a cafe. There must be some difference between them.
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I complained about the cold but when properly dressed it was a real blast to be crunching around in the cold. But when out for extended periods the small openings of facial skin started to freeze. Also the cold made my eyes run then the fluid would freeze on my cheeks. I would duck inside some place when I needed to to warm up.
OE
Sorry fot the comment, but perhaps going only to Moscow and SPB you perhaps do not know that ATM's in Russia run on two different systems.
National
International (sometimes operating only National)
In Moscow and in SPB lots are International so people think it's just a malfuncion... It is not. It is a National one...
International are clearly signed and outside Moscow and SPB are only in major banks not even all... some are in Hotels, but very few outside Moscow. Still today in own like Kazan (1.5 millions) you will find not more than 10 always working.
In some shops ATM are intended for Russians so they are not international even in they show some kind of familiar sign...
As other ISG users said use ATM only in well known banks and hotels.
IT
Shos:
I added a half bottle of whiskey to your private stash of liquor booty... :)
Its not cold in Moscow right now, only about -15... and the girls are hot enough to melt the snow, so dont hesitate to pay a visit!
Last night I had a girl I met at work who was so sexually charged that she must have come 15 times... she was literally having a difficult time walking afterwards and was shaking crazily... even when she was sucking me off she herself was getting off... one of the weirdest things I have yet experienced... she even wanted me to bite her clit!
I agree with you, Moscow is great in winter... too bad I am alone, I really miss my tusovka!
Damn it Doc, I spent six months without even thinking of Moscow, and now you're making it impossible to wait a week. Ooh, Moscow, brace yourself, here I come!
-15 though. Ouch. I need to go buy some new clothes.
Pros always control themselves or liable to fake orgasms. On the contrary, you (I) may find pros that are surprisingly onto sex and enjoy the moment.
Two weeks ago, I met Viki in her incall. [url]http://zna.nu/vg.php?id=1136388326&pic=4[/url] At first, had some difficulties to com***icate but easly found the apartment. She gave the directions to the driver, and met her in front of the apartment complex.
I know she looks handful, but damn I don’t like thin girls. I want some meat on the bones. I have to admit, she had some extras on her belly and birth marks.
She was a screamer. I have never seen a woman screams and cries like that before. I didn’t remember how many times she came and her body kept shaking like electrified. In a moment she had a too powerful orgasm, I thought she had a heart attack.
Her incall location was in quite good condition and seemed like that it was used by couple of girls.
Big Bro:
You wrote:
"I have never seen a woman screams and cries like that before. I didn’t remember how many times she came and her body kept shaking like electrified. In a moment she had a too powerful orgasm, I thought she had a heart attack. "
Isnt that the greatest feeling when you send a girl into this lustful orgasmic world? I love the way most Russian girls are so uninhibited about letting themselves go, the bed headboard banging against the wall, mattress springs creaking and she moaning and screaming in some sort of sex-induced trance... not only freebies, but I have also met many pros who really enjoyed the sex... and even a few that "demanded" that I perform another round!
And I love when they start babbling incomprehensible phrases in Russian... wish I understood what they are saying... :)
I used to worry about what the neighbors might think, but my ex-gf used to tell me she loved it when the neighbors knew she was getting thoroughly rodded and thrown around the room or splayed up against the wall. She said any neighbors that might complain were just jealous...
BTW: although I usually like skinny girls best, its great to sometimes get one that jiggles in all the right places... your picture of Vika does inspire me to go on the prowl for a soft and warm and sensual girl like that... :)
109:
Its only -9 today... regrettably I have to leave... feels like the wrong time to leave, there is a lot of energy in the city as it thaws out and last night was a great night to be out... a lot of girls passed their last exams from various institutes and were out to celebrate.
Doc,
I had similar powerful orgasmic sex with several girls in Istanbul, but never like this before.
As always you are right, Russian girls are freely expressed their sexual desires and if you find the right spots, they become very lusty. Slavic women are the best sex partners; innocent looking girls turn into wildcats.
Luckily, Viki was one of them. She said that she was on vacation and returned a day before. I was her first customer since than.(really did not care whether it was true or not) She screamed and cried out loudly in Russian. Even if she was faking, than oscar goes to Viki for best performance.
My close friend (closer than a brother) once a while had similar problems with neighbors. At daytime his neighbors were also very active. The walls were thin and no sound proof insulation. He also showed me how his girl friend made a hole at wall during the sex. They are crazy.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Boar House is the second tourist spot in Moscow after Night Flight =))) Girls are almost everywhere. Some you can find in News Pub and Jet-Set.[/QUOTE]
Helena, if you mean the News Pub on Petrovka ul. its closed for almost 6 Month...
[QUOTE=Shostakovich]Helena, if you mean the News Pub on Petrovka ul. its closed for almost 6 Month...[/QUOTE]Yes, I meant that one. You know Moscow better than Moscovites =)). I had no idea that it's closed. Last was there in June. So, apologising for wrong advise :)
Guys,
I plan a trip to Moscow in April and had a couple quick questions. I hope one tof the Moscow experts can enlighten me...
- Does the miniskirt season start as early as mid April in Moscow?
- I have been hearing that prices went up a lot in Moscow. Could somebody let me know the current tochka and salon prices?
- Is Kirnat still OK?
Spasibo Bolshoe!
Hedonist:
Miniskirts: Hate to disappoint, but from what I have been able to observe Moscow girls switched to jeans 2-3 years ago... miniskirts are regrettably not as common as they once were. Mid-April is about start of the official season though, you are right. Here's to hoping that miniskirts make a comeback....
Tochka and salon: Prices did go up, especially for tochka. Good quality at tochka can be had between $150-200. Not much worth looking at below $150. Salons take a look at the common websites like [url]www.zna.nu[/url].
Kirnat: Havent used Kirnat in a couple years. I've been happy with Moscow Rick, although he is pricey.
[url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url]
[url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] (ex-Ca_T joint)
If you are purely on a mongering trip, you might want to contact Ca_T in Odessa... Odessan girls WILL be wearing miniskirts by mid-April and prices are definitely cheaper there....
...dont misunderstand my loyalties... for my money Moscow is still the best freebie market in the world and my favorite city worldwide, but it can be expensive as hell.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Salons take a look at the common websites like [url]www.zna.nu[/url].
[/QUOTE]
Hedonist,
If you are gone meet with the Internet girls, than [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] is the most reliable one. Instead of all night; I recommend to meet two hours or less in the afternoons. Therefore, you won’t stick with one girl, and will do what ever you want in rest of the night. Also you may have a chance to negotiate the price and may have $10-30 discounts at day time.
You may also check sextalk.ru for the detailed reports about the girls, but not too many girls have reports.
If you are an adventurous guy (or stupidly brave like me), meet the girls in their incalls (studio or her own apartment). But don’t forget, you have to be careful in all times; nobody knows what you’re gone get when she welcomes you to her place.
Before the extreme cold weather, there were girls, wearing miniskirts in –12.
[QUOTE=Hedonist]Guys,
I plan a trip to Moscow in April and had a couple quick questions. I hope one tof the Moscow experts can enlighten me.
- Does the miniskirt season start as early as mid April in Moscow?
- I have been hearing that prices went up a lot in Moscow. Could somebody let me know the current tochka and salon prices?
- Is Kirnat still OK?
Spasino Bolshoe![/QUOTE]Miniskirt season here never ends =)))
Hedonist, I will be in Moscow in April so we might can hit it together.
I will be in Russia from April 12-24. Definetelly will stay in Moscow from April14-17 and from 21-24.
Also I am planning to do some travelling outside Moscow.
I am native speaker so I hope to hit some freebies , but to be honest it usually take time and sometimes more money than deal with attractive professional.
Will try to use different options this time:stripclubs,salons,apartments,individuals. Also will go outside Moscow in other cities where you can get cute girls for fraction of Moscow cost.
In April it is still pretty cool but when I was there a couple of years ago I seen some girls with shirt skirts.
Let me know what you planning to do?
Lover
In USA, I used Lifestyle and/or Trojen.
In Istanbul, at first I tried OK, oh man; it was total disaster. Even the thin ones were terrible, too rubbery. Since than, I have used Durex (especially the pink(serrated) or purple(thin) ones).
In Moscow, most of the girls don’t like the taste of the Durex. Therefore, I blindly bought condoms at magazines. I bought the feather pic on it; but lately I found the serrated ones by chance. Each box contains only three condoms. Not enough for me; and looking various types of condoms.
I heard there are several freaky sex shops; has anyone know one?
Thank you guys for all your input.
I know Moscow is too expensive these days. I have been traveling to Thailand, Cyprus and Moldova in the recent years partially for this reason. But now I feel I really should go to Moscow because I missed it. Also, I am currently debating whether I should end my glorious mongering career (which I started in Moscow) and get serious with my current GF (a Russian girl of course) :)
Lover: If my plans don't change I will arrive on Apr 15 and stay until Apr 22. So our dates are perfectly overlapping. I will be more than happy to hit provincial Russia with you. Let's get in touch.
Is there anybody else planning to be in Moscow in April? The more, the merrier!
BB AJ
A very serious topic...I just try not to remember CA_T's Calieflower loveletter...
Anyhow since I'm not so expierenced like CA_T and using a torch to check girls anatomie before going in deep action I swear on german made quality "CONTINENTAL" rubber jackets!
The best option IMHO is Billy Boy which is available in different colours and taste...
They are available in the 12 piece "overnighter" pack and the 24 piece weekend "fun for all the family" pack...
Since I'm used to make pictures of pleasent moments, I learned that a little bit of contrast and well balanced colours could help to improove the quality of the pics...attached a sample for your reference!
P.S. In case your are not interested to increase Moscow population please choose CIM or COF and beware of russian made condoms
shos... you HAD to bring that up... Right? Not to burst your bubble, but if you run into a similar situation, the best "german made" quality raincoat will not protect you if you plow into something like that! HPV is one of those things that a condom will probably not protect against.
I searched the archives but could not find CAT’s extraordinary experience. But, I remembered that report. It showed how to be careful in mongering. If I am not wrong, CAT got the girl from a Tochka.
Also, another monger friend paid enormous amounts of money to a so-called “classy” escort, restaurant and so on, later that night he figured out that she was on her period. And she did not even bother to return his money.
And, Stefanno’s interpreter did not want to be with me; according to her I was too active. huh…
Things happen...
Shos,
I have never had problems. I am not sure whether they are made in Russia or not. But, you may find them in every magazine.
By the way, what about the sex shops? Russian women love lingerie and kinky staff. I am sure their sex shops might be too interesting to see.
Better late than never I suppose, but I did want to comment on my 7 day trip to Moscow in the fall. In summary it is a story of an experienced monger who is a newbie to Russia and some thoughts/tips for others who might be in a similar situation.
I'll say that Russia was not what I expected, and in many ways threw me for more of a loop than I had expected.
It started with a flight from Madrid via Italy to Moscow on Al Italia. In my 58 countries and 100's of thousands of sky miles experience, flying Al Italia was the greatest mistake of my traveling history. Lets simply say that I was sans baggage and clothing for 5 days on the way to Moscow and on the way back both times the airline misplaced my luggage in Milan. No upgrades, no appologies, nothing. I will never fly that airline as long as I live, just my 2 cents, but beware.
Finding clothes and suits in Moscow of good quality and in my size was far harder than expected, and far costlier than I had imagined. The selection at the malls were lackluster and the stores at the Arbat are about the same in cost as my hometown 5th ave in NYC.
I was also surprised at the sheer cost of my trip (possibly too many to SE asia and south America). I stayed in a suite at the Ukrainskya Hotel (one of Stalin's towers) for $225 USD / night. No problems with the girls and had a nice stay overall. You will not get a room for less than $150 USD/night I found the suites to be worth the extra dough. I went to a few other hotels to check out the prices/scene and found most others to be more expensive. So, I suppose the first thing of note was that Moscow was going to be more expensive than many of my other most recent destinations Kiev and other cities in the Ukraine were 1/3 the cost and just as nice or nicer and in SE Asia or South America you could stay at a similar quality hotel for 1/5 the cost. Due to the fact that it was a last minute trip for business you should also be aware that an rushed visa application and processing will run you an additional $150. Make sure to give your visa to your hotel to process it upon your arrival (also an additional fee) as a friend of mine who failed to do this was wacked with a $200 fine upon leaving Moscow.
My style of mongering is spending half of my time searching for the non-pros and the other half at the regular wattering holes. I had set up a few meetings with women I met online and who could speak English and had read the boards here in order to plan my attack.
The loss of my clothes and luggage put a serious hamper on my trip and I wound up meeting only 2 of the 6 women I had met online. Not bad considering that I had only started writing to them 1 week before when I knew I was going to be in Moscow. I have to say that the two that I met were regular total non-pros in their mid 20's who had some good conversations and were exactly as their pictures showed on the Internet. I was however slighltly dissapointed either in my seduction skills or their lack of availability to close the deal with either of them during my trip. For some reason, I was expecting something more amourous to occur. I do however feel that had I spent more time with them and in the com***ication beforehand things would have been much different.
I went to the standard places some apartments etc and the women were exactly as advertised, hot as hell and total pros. The highlight of the trip had to be the bar / pickup place owned by two Canadians called Doug and Marty's Boar House. I had a great time at this place and there were loads of prime women and some great expat conversation. The weekends were the best with the tallent going down seriously on Sunday and Monday. Also had some luck at the Real McCoy right near the US Embasy. However the Boar house was great and highly reccomended.
In summary, the women of Russia are possibly the hottest in the world. I found myself more attracted to them than any other mongering destination (and I have been to Cuba, DR, CR, Columbia, Brazil, Argentina, Ukraine, Czech Rep, Nic, Cambidia, Vietnam, Laos, Manila and Indonesia) and with the exception of Urkraine and Brazil one would be hard pressed to find more beautiful women. The prices are not bad and not great. $50 for an hour or so and $150 for the entire night is what my experience was. I would have to say that I would imagine my expeience to be far better if I had been able to speak Russian. Being able to speak Spanish might bias me but I found the Russian pros to be slightly colder than their SE Asian or Latin counterparts. Would I return? Yes, but I would spend more time, try and learn some Russian and work on the non-pro angle. I actually found the Ukraine to be more to my liking with friendlier women, cheaper and better hotels and no visa hassle. Thus my next trip will most likely be to the south.
Hope my experience helps some other Russian newbies out. To all of you who travel to Moscow on a regular basis and can speak the language, you guys are in heaven, wish I was there.
Ender
Well...i never get to reach moscow...till i get to perfect my karma :)
so its my daily routine to search for info's to keep me uptodate till i land in moscow.
yeah...now a days the hot topic is on cost of accomodation...so during my googling upto 20th page i found some interesting links and thanks to bigbroAJ's links in distinction..i got some confirmation...
Check this out...
[url]http://eng.moscowout.ru/accommodation/hotels/906/[/url]
[url]http://eng.moscowout.ru/accommodation/hotels/?page=2[/url]
[url]http://www.hotels-moscow.ru/metro.html[/url]
The first link take's you to the hotel were prices are in 500 RBL range but it also says that its mainly for institute stuff and writers ...and all the facilities they mention are confusing ..like wise may be if you search from second link you will get 100's of links of hotels in and around metro area that are in 15-20 USD range..
to get it right if you check the third link of metro map...they are indeed in and around moscow..yet the prices are soo low..compared to what we are used to.
May be the rooms are for some other purpose or whatever....but im sure its russia and like any country they will compromise with the rooms if they are vacant.
Or may be im ill-informed about these things...so could any experienced mongers please shed more info on these type of accomodations.
Thanks,
Loser.
Well...my googling is not stopping today no more :)
here is another link that promises rooms as low as 20 to 25 USD and with lots of information and instant online booking and more importantly...yeah with lots and lots of information about rooms :)
[url]http://all-hotels.ru/index.en.html[/url]
Loser.
Looks like reasonably priced hotel accomodations have suddenly become a hot topic.
Something most people don't know is that the Moldovan Embassy in Moscow operates a small private hotel in the center of town. The info can be found here:
[url]http://eng.moscowout.ru/accommodation/hotels/891/[/url]
(don't look at the map link, because the location indicated on the map is completely off).
I have stayed there once before, so I speak from experience. It has an excellent location, right at the intersection of Rozhdyestvenka and Kuznyetski Most. The metro station is just across the street, Red Square is a 10 minute walk. The building itself is located a good ways back from the street in a courtyard, so it's always very quiet.
It's a Russian style hotel, so no A/C in the summer, but it is actually quite nice. The "deluxe" rooms go for $85 a night (better check for current rates). They have a separate bedroom in addition to a kind of sitting room, with TV & phone, fully furnished.
Nice bathroom, with toilet paper! lol Tub and shower with hot water... all the time!
The downside is, they don't speak English, and it's cash only, but then, at $85 a night, you won't need much.
Can't testify as to whether they are "chica friendly". I'm sure the okhrana at the kiosk out front where you enter from the alleyway will not challenge you if you want to bring a dyev back you your room. The dyezhoornaya at the front desk might say something, but mainly she will probably just want you to pay for the extra person, and if you come back after midnight, she probably won't even be on duty.
So, for what you will pay for 1 night at the Hyatt Ararat, which is just around the corner, you could stay an entire week at the Moldova hotel. Kinda makes you think...
[QUOTE=Ender]Better late than never I suppose, but I did want to comment on my 7 day trip to Moscow in the fall.[/QUOTE]
Ender, thanks for a great report. A point of clarification: $50 for girls at the Boar House?
Sounds like a great time.
[QUOTE=Shostakovich]BB AJ
A very serious topic. I just try not to remember CA_T's Calieflower loveletter.
Anyhow since I'm not so expierenced like CA_T and using a torch to check girls anatomie before going in deep action I swear on german made quality "CONTINENTAL" rubber jackets!
The best option IMHO is Billy Boy which is available in different colours and taste.
They are available in the 12 piece "overnighter" pack and the 24 piece weekend "fun for all the family" pack.
Since I'm used to make pictures of pleasent moments, I learned that a little bit of contrast and well balanced colours could help to improove the quality of the pics. Attached a sample for your reference!
P.S. In case your are not interested to increase Moscow population please choose CIM or COF and beware of russian made condoms[/QUOTE]In Russia we have good "Sico" condoms. They never breake. The best ones are in black box.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]In USA, I used Lifestyle and/or Trojen.
In Istanbul, at first I tried OK, oh man; it was total disaster. Even the thin ones were terrible, too rubbery. Since than, I have used Durex (especially the pink(serrated) or purple(thin) ones).
In Moscow, most of the girls don’t like the taste of the Durex. Therefore, I blindly bought condoms at magazines. I bought the feather pic on it; but lately I found the serrated ones by chance. Each box contains only three condoms. Not enough for me; and looking various types of condoms.
I heard there are several freaky sex shops; has anyone know one?[/QUOTE]French condoms break. Buy German. Troyan is good, but not available in Russia. The worst condoms are the ones with frut taste. They may break even defore you start to use them =))
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]Ender, thanks for a great report. A point of clarification: $50 for girls at the Boar House?
Sounds like a great time.[/QUOTE]
No and yes. Most girls at the Boar House wanted to go long time although I am sure that they would go for an hour or so for $50 or so. But my experience was a constant quote of between $150-$200 for the entire night. I was told by some of the expats that they would go down to $125 for all night especially if you were a return visitor.
Nice thing for me was that at the Boar House about 60% of the girls spoke some English which for some reason on this trip meant something to me.
The Boar House was just plain fun with great drinks and good expat company and on Friday and Saturday there were easily 60+ available women all looking for a date that evening. It was all Inividual girls looking for dates with no cover charge, no surcharge and no extra fees to the bar. It was the closest thing to La Dolce Vita in Cartagena that I have seen anywhere in the world!
As for the Hotel issue, $80 for an unknown place with questionable security and location is not something I was loking to experiment with, but you are all correct that $200+ per night is just plain silly in a city where you can get some of the hottest tang for $30 short time. I was able to check out some of the apartments from the following services:
[url]http://www.moscow-comfort.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.apartmentsmoscow.com/[/url]
I really liked the service and support of the 2nd company whom I spoke to on the phone while I was in Moscow. English speaking and totally professional, I would do business with them in a heartbeat. $80 for an apartment with a kitchen sounds like a good thing for me.
ENDER
Here is a list of normal girls I used in Moscow. I have tried only a couple of them.
Apartaments
[url]http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=68&start=0[/url]
[url]http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=51&start=0[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=20300[/url]
[url]http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2087[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=19260[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=19259[/url]
Great salons
[url]http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2199[/url]
[url]http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=21&start=0[/url]
[url]http://lovecontact.ru/yulya/[/url]
[url]http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=54&start=0[/url]
[url]http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2174[/url]
Caused in hotel
[url]http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/index.php?op=detail&pic_id=78&start=0[/url]
[url]http://znakomstva.nu/1130920762[/url]
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=21439[/url]
[url]http://dosugonline.ru/catalog/index.php?town_id=2&cat_id=2&id=2108[/url]
That who loves massage
[url]http://massaj.msk.ru[/url]
[url]http://vipmassage.ru[/url]
[url]http://dominoclub.ru[/url]
[url]http://shtangaclub.ru[/url]
[url]http://cats.vipmassage.ru[/url]
[url]http://bumer.allmassage.ru/photo.htm[/url]
New striptease club where there is an inexpensive sex
[url]http://alcaponeclub.ru/modules/xt_conteudo/index.php?id=4[/url]
All of a pleasant relaxation!
1) You are 3rd person who have told that Al Italia lost their luggage - where's there's smaoke there's fire.
2) Paying only $75 more for a suite then a regular room at the Ukrainskya Hotel sounds like a steal, where as in most places, suities are the airline equvilent of first class and priced accordingly.
The prices at the Boar House seemed almost reasonable after the alarming increase, people have been reporting in Moscow lately.
I am trying to plan a trip to Russia later this year based upon some information that I have received from a fellow monger. He insist that if I enjoy "animalistic porno style sex" (no holes barred, CIM/COF, etc) that ther is no place better than Russia. Mind you I am a fairly seasoned monger having traveled extensively in Latin America (calenas rule! ) and Asia. So my question to you gentlemen is.
IS it TRUE? IS the Russia truly the place of my dreams for this kind of activity? Can I expect CIM and COF to be a normal event with the ladies? Plz share your thoughts.
Also. What city is the best. Moscow or St Pete?
Lusty
[QUOTE=Tampa Lust II]I am trying to plan a trip to Russia later this year based upon some information that I have received from a fellow monger. He insist that if I enjoy "animalistic porno style sex" (no holes barred, CIM/COF, etc) that ther is no place better than Russia. Mind you I am a fairly seasoned monger having traveled extensively in Latin America (calenas rule! ) and Asia. So my question to you gentlemen is.
IS it TRUE? IS the Russia truly the place of my dreams for this kind of activity? Can I expect CIM and COF to be a normal event with the ladies? Plz share your thoughts.
Also. What city is the best. Moscow or St Pete?
Lusty[/QUOTE]
Lusty,
I would say that indeed Moscow (not SP) is your choice destination. PSE all the way. Initially I thought that that was what I was into but sadly my trip to Moscow proved me too much of a lightweight but this may not be the case for everyone. CIM, COF no problem in Russia. I just personally found the experience too pro for my tastes. But if you have no problem with a ***** acting like a ***** and nothing else then this is the place in my opinion.
ENDER
TL2:
Although Ender is right that CIM and COF is quite common in Russia, certainly not every pro will do it... if it's important for you, you should ask the girl upfront or trust your persuasion skills later on.
I have found that most "take home" pros will give you BBBJ, however many salon girls will not.... seems that most salons have a policy against BBBJ.
If you are into freebies, nearly all will accept CIM or COF.
Moscow has more pro options than St.Pete, but St.Pete has an excellent selection of salons... and is considerably cheaper regarding daily costs. Salon girls can be taken to your apartment as well, and there the CIM/COF becomes a matter of negotiation.
[QUOTE=IS it TRUE? IS the Russia truly the place of my dreams for this kind of activity? Can I expect CIM and COF to be a normal event with the ladies? Plz share your thoughts.
Also. What city is the best. Moscow or St Pete?
Lusty[/QUOTE]I from Germany. Often I come to Moscow. I consider, that this best place and all that about it ãîâîðÿò-it even is less, than is actually! About all kinds of sex and about studios C|M - it is easy to learn at a forum.
[url]http://sextalk.ru[/url]
All of a pleasant relaxation!
Here's my warning to everyone. Don't follow in the footsteps of Napoleon, von Bock and Kluge. Bring warm clothes. If you think you know cold, if you think you're prepared, think again. Moscow is COLD. Oh God. It grappples you with frozen clutches, shoves an icicle up your nose, and almost turns you into a solid block of carbonite, Han Solo style. Bring warm clothes for every part of your body. Thermal underwear will save your life. You'll feel miserable at best, but you may survive to fight another day.
The scene is worth it though. Last night I started off at 911 VIP, and it was reasonbly empty, with plenty of gorgeous dancers being neglected. I'm told on some slower nights they don't see a single client. What can be better than that? There's plenty of cheap sex to be had in the VIP rooms, for I believe as low as 2,000 roubles.I didn't partake, but I took a girl home who turned out to be a former reality TV star from the Russian version of Big Brother. She's all over the internet, as she proudly showed me. She wasn't the most striking girl in the club, but she was the most "normal" stripper I've ever met, and it truly felt like we had a date and not just sex for money.
It wasn't enough for me however, and at around 3 am I went to CF. The place is back. I should check it out at an earlier time. Even at 3 am there was a good selection of pros and freebies. The skanks were in the minority, and going home by themselves in droves. Unfortunately I was too drunk to think logically and took home the two girls I wasn't particularly attracted to. They were black and said they were from Cuba, but their accents were different and I think they were from Africa somewhere. The girl asked for $300 for one first, immediately came down to 2, and then I got both of them for 3. Almost like the good old days. In the taxi I sobered up a bit and almost regretted taking them, but they really gave me my money's worth. Even after I was exhausted and was sending them home, they kept on rubbing against me and trying to excite me. Great teamwork, too. I went to sleep happy.
I have been with many Tochka girls and have yet to find one who does not do BBBJ. Nearly all of them also considered going bareback vaginally or even anally as quite normal or acceptable. They are using these Farmatex/Pharmatex suppositories and believe that this is a sufficient prevention against the virus. The opposite is actually true. These may help to prevent pregnancies but will help to irritate and injure the vaginal tissues and help the virus to enter the blood system.
I spoke to all of them about this. Most of the very young ones (18 to 20) did not believe that the virus is spread sexually. They only heard of drug users having the virus.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]TL2:
Although Ender is right that CIM and COF is quite common in Russia, certainly not every pro will do it... if it's important for you, you should ask the girl upfront or trust your persuasion skills later on.
I have found that most "take home" pros will give you BBBJ, however many salon girls will not.... seems that most salons have a policy against BBBJ.
If you are into freebies, nearly all will accept CIM or COF.
Moscow has more pro options than St.Pete, but St.Pete has an excellent selection of salons... and is considerably cheaper regarding daily costs. Salon girls can be taken to your apartment as well, and there the CIM/COF becomes a matter of negotiation.[/QUOTE]
I was just trying in finding a Mistress throughout Internet. Of course in Moscow. Easy if you have time and you want to pay.
Out of 50 ads I was searching for (on [url]www.omen.ru[/url]) I got approx. ten answers. Some had already telephones: normal girls, and pros…even 4 ads was with telephone. All of them between 18 and 25 and willing to be “sponsored” for studying. Their counterpart will be obviously fucking. Who would not find a good option having an 18teen really obeying mistress? I chose one, surely not the most expensive, but interesting on ground she was offering “afternoons”.
So finally I got in touch with Inna (see the ad, photo not real):
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613288[/url]
It was mostly a joke, but 45.000 RUR (approx 1.500 €) for having a teenager in bed every afternoon should be a good opinion if I was living in Moscow and doing nothing (I usually work in these hours) you even have your evening free for another girlfriend!!
Finally I met with Inna, a fake name, she told me, 19 y.o approx. 175, a thin brunette, with a nice face and a beautiful thin body. 1st in tits, 38-40 (European) in clothes. Ideal girl and body for fucking out your brain…
At the restaurant we met we decide to go to another, and so we did: eating fish.
She was talking a good English and explaining that she was a student to be a lawyer, just started last September, and how expensive it was living in Moscow. She, by the way, was living with a friend (a 26 y.o) girl. Some times they where chatting by SMS on ground, she said, they just bought a new TV.
So for making a long story short, this teen was trying to seduce me in every possible manner, looking in my eyes, touching me, going with her knees on mine…
Finally she made clear that she could get to my hotel (for a testing !) immediately, but she had to leave at 5.30 for university on ground she is attending in the evening… It was already 3 PM…. We decided that I will go at her home next day at 1 PM so at least for hours of wild sex. Before this I asked her (on ground she proposed it) getting home to do what.
The answer was shocking from a teen (dressed like a western 30 y.o. model): we can play, we can play a lot. I know games that you can not even image on… but I need a contribution only for this first time of 500 USD.
Yes I said we will meet tomorrow so I got her address etc. etc.
Then I was back home I was thinking… but I’m not so often in Moscow, I do not need a fixed Mistress… And 500 USD for an afternoon (!)… really to much even for Moscow: Of course the girl was beautiful but not the real stunner that could be valued so much. So I phoned her again and with an excuse I just told her that I could not meet her.
By the way it was really an interesting experience. It’s so easy to get a friend (just paying). Next time I’ll go for a week I will try to get a normal girl in the 18-25 y.o. on internet. Let’s see.
Anyway a horny experience. If I were not in a restaurant with her looking so and touching so… her clothes would have lasted not more than a couple of seconds.
In the evening I was so horny so I had to get a girl and I got Ekaterina (four hours for 4.000 RUR), but that will be the next story (with pics).
IT
Getting Ekaterina (real name, I do not remember the fake) was very easy, just phone to one of the agencies with 2-3 girls advertised on [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] , usually they have many more.
I was so horny after the meeting with Inna… so I did not search well. Just some girl to fuck!
I got Ekaterina (se pics section for details).
O cuddling, no kissing, no no no. I think you all have experienced this type if girl. At least it was cheap (for Moscow) 4.000 RUR for 4 hours including transport!
The funny thing was that the no no no girl (with superb tits) was just doing nothing.
Sucking (covered), and then riding cow girl to the final shot. At the third ride it must have taken at least 40 minutes riding! No problem… Then it was the fourth. Fortunately when se phoned to the room to be picked up in the lobby I took a 50 mg Viagra…
Ekaterina was riding like a rabbit. I got no other girl riding so! All the rest was shit but the riding: WOW!!
I can’t imagine if I took her for all the night!
Of course no “Intim Pictures”, only with clothes.
IT
PS Pics in the Pics Section
Here's a red alert to everyon. I"m really drunk righ now so please forgive my spelling. I got togehter for Dr Skank tonight and we had a good time generally. We ended up at CF, and he grabbed a freebie, and I thought I got one too. I took this girl home, we drank some more at home - we both were really drunk to begin with - and suddenly she grew really violent, grabbed the corkscrew and the breadknife that were on the nearby table and started luning at me. I barely avoided being stabbed, disarmed her, and threw her out. She began wailing and woke up most of the neightobrs who came out to take a look.
Heres the girk's picture I took while she was still cal,. Avoid at all costs. You may not be as lucky as I was.
Oh, the attachment didn't go through last night, here it is.
P.S. I just found an empty vial of Klofilin behind the toilet. I know it wasn't there yesterday. I don't think the girl managed to put it in my drink though because I just feel hung over, nowhere near what I got the last time I got roofied. Anyway, I sure know how to pick them.
I gotta figure out some way to print that picture of her, and take it to CF security.
Damn hoes are so unpredictable.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Oh, the attachment didn't go through last night, here it is.[/QUOTE]
109... scary story... Glad all is well now.
vv... I think you may have a misunderstanding of a tochka! A tochka is a line-up near a main street where the girls line up and you choose one. By definition, it would be very difficult to book a tochka girl on the internet.
Now she has even a new link!
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25370[/url]
Curious but my pics are much better... and tits are not 4th as declared, they are mich more...
IT
109
thanks for sharing also bad expierences with us...most post's here only made to get member in the hall of fame... but life is different and its important to get a real information's about our hobby!
Thanks and god bless your safety angel
Shos
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Oh, the attachment didn't go through last night, here it is.
P.S. I just found an empty vial of Klofilin behind the toilet. I know it wasn't there yesterday. I don't think the girl managed to put it in my drink though because I just feel hung over, nowhere near what I got the last time I got roofied. Anyway, I sure know how to pick them.
I gotta figure out some way to print that picture of her, and take it to CF security.[/QUOTE]Oh, you really lucky to go off easily. I think may be it could help if you took girls telephone at the very beginning? Just for your own safety. Then she would think twice before doing crime. Fortunately such things are rare.
Tochka girls I have met, and there were many of them, are concerned about not geting pregnant only. I did not test their inteligence, but some of them spoke very good English so they could not have been totally stupid. Ejaculating in the arse is OK, you cannot get pregnant that way. But ejaculating in the **** is dangerous.
Thanks everyone. Looks like I was drugged after all, just nowhere near as bad as the last time this summer. I checked out the vial she left behind on the internet, and it's a mild form used as eye drops. The dosage of Сlophelinum was less than 1 g, which is what anyone could be prescribed for high blood pressure. Most of the negative side effects in my case are probably from mixing it with alcohol. I just felt really slow and sleepy all day, developed some near sightedness for a couple of hours, and that was really it.
So, once again, watch your drinks at all times! I already had a bad experience, but apparently I still wasn't vigilant enough. Keep your eyes on the bottles, too; I think she might have put it in the bottle of wine we were drinking and not directly into my glass.
Secondly, hide all the sharp objecs. I put away all the knives and forks and corkscrews, glasses and frying pans. This wasn't the first time that a girl went crazy on me, and it's just not a good idea to have a butcher knife convinently lying around.
HM... actually that is a very good idea... providing that your phone doesn't transmit your telephone number at the same time... then you would have some idea how to contact her if she does something like this.
I don't think the phone thing is really that much of a deterrent. Even if she gives you her actual number in her actual name, after she drugs you she can just steal wherever you wrote her number down.
I'm thinking that the thing to do would be to lock the door, and then have her watch as you lock the keys into the safe. Knowing she wouldn't be able to get out with you being unconcsious should work. However this would also have the effect of scaring the shit out of regular girls, so I don't know.
Maybe the best idea is simply not to drink at home, especially with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. "Oh, honey, I'm already too drunk, but why don't you have some Bailey's by yourself?" That would have the added benefit of keeping you more sober to enjoy the sex.
[QUOTE=One ... with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. [/QUOTE]
I would not be worried about the girls from tochkas. They are on the very lowest level in the hierarchy, much worried about what is going to happen to them to be able to do anything criminal themselves. They are sold to a customer they do not see and know nothing about. They do not know how many man are waiting for them in the appartement they are being taken too. They do not know what will be required of them. They do not know where they are and how to get out from there. Even if they manage to lock themselves in the bathroom and telephone for help, they usually do not know where they are. They are usually girls from the country that arrived to Moscow a few days before and do not know anyone there apart from their ponce, the mamochka and one or two girls they share the bed with.
I had the very similier or exactly the same after effect that you had mentioned.
I was about to write my experience yesterday, but you had mentioned that you were not drugged but just drunk.
Boy, it can happen to you anywere, the incident that happened to me was in my backyard not in russua but in india, mumbai.
And being a local guy in that bar, some of the staff know me pretty well, but not to the extent of caring me well but for tips and still more tips when im dead drunk.
They knew that i usually go home dead drunk but not that im not aware how much i spend.
last friday, i had being drinking and drunk as usual, but just as if i was unaware what was hapenning to me...i was not even able to move myself from one side to other. My whole mind was spinning totally out of control and did not know what is going around...i normally used to drink that much, but i never had that after effect.
I know something was wroung, so i asked for bill and they said its 2000 RS normally it would be 800 ....i said i need to go to ATM..two guys came along with me and i did not know at that moment how much i withdraw....
i just took a cab and just dropped dead in my house and woke up next day 6 PM....I have never ever slept so much with as much drinking my whole life...
i knew i lost it out and i being druged and i was not able to comprehend how much money i lost out and fight with those guys for money.
With a big heart i dared to check if i had my ATM card, thank fully i had and tried to check my balence. ...i lost 5000 RS that day and withdraw two times for 3 and 2 k .....im not sure when did that happen...
After lot of R&D..i found out there operation....the girls are not the chief operands...waiters, bartenders, anybody who is associated with the club is involved in drugging you..
Im 100 % sure that you did not go to the bar first time. they must have identified you and i think you go to these places and get drunk heavelly most of the time.
As you said you have being drugged in the bar itself, The authorities are im sure knows what goes on were and then there next card is women to make you more involved.
If you check with these guys in the bar, they would support you whole hearttedly and blame the women and would say we will check it out...but just keep a low profile and visit the bar after some weeks and if you keep a vigilent eye ...you will know it goes hand in hand with the bar managers and you will find exactly the same women that you think drugged you.
Rule No. 1 ....I think..if we drink heavely in the same bar, we are at risk, cos im certain that it happens with the involvement of the bar authorities, cos the women keep changing most of the time and we do not take the same women twice.
I think some other senior forum member, a year back had mentioned the same drugging efffect in CF.
Rule No.2 ....Im just lucky that im alive :)....and it feels to live the tale ...God knows in a foreign country we are on our fate itself.....be careful what goes in and out of your glass....and do not stay for more than it is required..cos the authorites are scanning their next victim....
It should have being in the India forum, but i was planning a trip shortly in moscow..so it better go here..and anyway mostly all bars in mumbai are closed.
Loser.
BL5,
You may be right in general, but it certainly didn't seem to be the case in my particular incident. Firstly, I haven't been to that place in almost six months. Secondly, I found the empty bottle from the drug in my bathroom here. Lastly, I highly doubt that a criminal organization would so completely trust a drunken histerical *****.
I'm betting she acted alone, and I was one of her first victims. She clearly did not know what she was doing. She couldn't give me the proper dosage of the drug, she couldn't stay calm waiting for it to take effect, and she couldn't handle the situation at all once things started falling apart. Thank God for that.
Here's a photo of the thing I found in my bathroom. You can kind of see it says KLOFELIN in Russian, but it's a little hard to read. It's a little squirt bottle, and you have to unscrew the top to use it - so it takes a little effort and a bit of time to use it. Keep your eyes open.
Just want to say my 2 cents about the medical discussion. Klofelin is a blood-pressure suppressive drug, according to the litterateur it can give you some dizziness but rarely any fainting, it is mainly used to lower the blood pressure and to take some workload off a failuring heart, not to put someone to sleep and/or drug one out of his mind. I guess a severe blood-pressure drop could result in a lot of dizziness but there has to be much better drugs available on the non controlled pharmaceutics market in Moscow, such as diazepam (Valium®) or Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol®)
Just curious....
Can someone explain the attraction of CF?
With all the bad reports that come out of there and with all the other options available in Moscow, why would anyone want to waste their time there?
[QUOTE=One O Nine]I don't think the phone thing is really that much of a deterrent. Even if she gives you her actual number in her actual name, after she drugs you she can just steal wherever you wrote her number down.
I'm thinking that the thing to do would be to lock the door, and then have her watch as you lock the keys into the safe. Knowing she wouldn't be able to get out with you being unconcsious should work. However this would also have the effect of scaring the shit out of regular girls, so I don't know.
Maybe the best idea is simply not to drink at home, especially with girls from less reputable sources like CF, Hungry Duck, or tochkas. "Oh, honey, I'm already too drunk, but why don't you have some Bailey's by yourself?" That would have the added benefit of keeping you more sober to enjoy the sex.[/QUOTE]Locking the door can work. But it can also frighten an absolutely normal girl. For ex. I'd never stay with a guy who locks the door. I'd suspect him of something.
You are right that she can give wrong number or still it out. But still there is a chance. Firsr you'll see her reaction: how she'll behave after you ask her number. If she is happy or nervouse. You can try to call her mobile immediately - and see if its real or not. Second - she may change her mind to give you klofelin even if she planned, because she may hope that you become her permanent client (be useful without crime). I think these girls are scared themselves to do it. And the slightest change of scene can make them change their criminal plans.
And. The best thing is for sure: to let her know that you have no money in your place, except the agreed amount of money for her. Because if there is nothing to still from you, then no motivation for crime.
Anyway it's good that it's possible to discuss such things and share experience. Little by little = a lot.
Because on a slow cold weekday night, CF is still the cheapest, easiest, surest option with the largest selection. Everything else either takes more money or more time. At CF you can just walk in, get loaded, and leave with somebody with no effort on your part.
Of course, after getting drugged there twice, I think last Sunday was my last visit there ever.
[QUOTE=Waster99]Just want to say my 2 cents about the medical discussion. Klofelin is a blood-pressure suppressive drug, according to the litterateur it can give you some dizziness but rarely any fainting, it is mainly used to lower the blood pressure and to take some workload off a failuring heart, not to put someone to sleep and/or drug one out of his mind.[/QUOTE]
In my personal experience, a proper dosage (which is much higher I'm sure than the recommended ones you find in medical literature) will literally turn off your brain for two days. Not familiar with the effects of the other drugs you've mentioned, but Klofelin will certainly do its job if administered properly. The previous time this was done to me, thankfully I noticed the effects just before we got to my apartment and got rid of the girls; and then the next thing I remember is waking up 14 hours later, and then being unable to wake up for more than an hour every 12 hours for the next two days. I hadn't had anything to eat or drink the whole time, too, as I was barely concious when I was up.
Trust me, when the dosage is right, the thing is brutal.
Why don't you go to a tochka instead. For 150$ you have a very decent girl for the whole night. And the selection is very large.
You're absolutely right My Own.
I started off at Spearmint Rhino tonight, and unfortunately didn't play my cards right at all. As soon as I walked in I saw this absolute stunner, who was sitting with a bunch of Turkish businessmen and looked bored. While I was waiting for her to free up, I was approached by another gorgeous girl, who looked a lot like Patricia Velasquez from that movie The Mummy, even with the same exact haircut. So I hit it off with Ankh-sun-a*** pretty well, but then she had to go up on the main stage, and at the same exact time the Turkish gentlemen left, and the blonde came up to sit with me. Ankh-sun-a*** didn't like that at all. Soon enough I struck out with the blonde; she told me very quickly that she wasn't that kind of girl, she was only out there to dance, she didn't have sex with nobody, and so on. So off she went.
Then the brunette was back at my table, and just as I was this close to finally convincing her to go home with me, the girl Olga I had met six months ago (see this old report [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=380091#post380091[/url]) came out of fucking nowhere, sat at our table, and ruined everything. I couldn't get rid of her for the life of me, she wouldn't let me say a word to Nadya the brunette, and soon enough I was left with the choice of going home with Olga, or going home by myself. I chose the latter.
The driver drove me to some far-away tochka, the selection was decent for 2 am on a Tuesday, I grabbed this 18 year old from Moldavia named Alyonushka and we had a great time. She had some of the weirdest, scariest stories to tell about her past, but a while ago I just stopped caring. The sex was good, she worked really hard, and left me more than satisfied. All for exactly $150.
So, yeah, tochkas are great, as long as you're jaded enough to fuck a teenage orphan who's been hooking for six years and had her spine broken last year by the mob.
thought i’d share a recent experience at oh la la. we’d heard good reports of the place but now cannot confirm this. if anybody really wants to go there, make sure you take lots of change, i.e. lots of 100rb notes. they seem to have a cynical and short-sighted policy of not giving change, presumably to encourage stupid businessman to pay 500rb or more for 2 mins lap dance instead of 100rb. we went with some german business visitors and this policy quickly scared all of our guests away from the main room into a protective huddle by the bar to escape the aggressive girls. our partners were definitely ready to spend money but this approach tor****ed the evening. somebody said it used to be run by a frenchman but has gone down hill since he left. can’t imagine going back. any ideas on lower pressure places?
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Sorry mate! Really horrible to hear what happened! The girl looked great and I guess it was really too good to be true.... remember that I also got drugged at CF sometime last year and somehow made it home alone and alive. Fucked me up for almost 2 days. Really happy to hear that you are ok.
CF does kind of suck in a major way, but for those wondering why we go there, sometimes on a slow and extremely cold Sunday or Monday night it is the most sensible option... or at least it seems. Dont know why I keep finding freebies there either... but I have also had both great and awful times there as well.
My Own Again:
Tochka girls will do just about everything, but you'd be silly to go bareback with any pro.
Tochka:
Tochka reports have been better again lately, maybe our favorite hobby is showing some signs of revival?
Unfortunately Moscow seems to be moving towards the Fuck the foreigner’s mindset.
On my last trip it was nonstop, CF girls tried to get money up front, Militia hassles with no girls in the car, wait staff stealing money from a paid bill, Moscow Rick’s assistant scamming money, problems with escorts companies that had been reliable, on & on. This was completely different from prior trips.
A couple of simple of suggestions concerning safety issues with the working girls, Tochka, CF or any pro.
Watch your drink at all times. If at any time it has been unprotected get another. You may pay for a couple of extras at the bar or dirty a few more glasses in your apartment. So what?
Lock you apartment door always. The girls expect this; I have never had one complain or feel threatened. No girl is leaving until you say so anyway. Lock up your valuables with the key.
Don’t get so shitfaced drunk that you loose your ability to be aware of what’s going on. Our own Doc Skank operates best in this knee-walking drunk condition, most of the rest us do not.
Moscow can be an incredibly fun city, but is becoming more hazardous and extremely expensive. Might be time to look for other areas to monger in. Sounds as though CT may have found an interesting alternative in Odessa.
Guido88
Russia Fan,
This depends. If you're looking for a brothel-type strip club, I'm afraid Oh La La is no worse than the rest. You do need to bring small change with you. By the way, you just gotta learn to say no to these women. No point in wasting your money on things you don't like. Think of it as hanging up on telemarketers. You do it all the time and you don't care if it hurts their feelings.
However, if you're looking for a less sex oriented place, where your chances of finding someone to have sex with are a bit less, and the sex, if you find it, is a bit more expensive, there are some good choices.
Firstly, there's Mister XXX. Nice and cozy, and the girls only come up to you if you ask them to. At least that's the way it was six months ago; I'm going back tonight.
Spearmint Rhino is actually the one place where you don't need small change. There's nothing going on at your table; all the dances are of the privat type, at 1000r for 2 or 3, depending on the day of the week. So you just need the 1000s, plus some smaller bills for the tips.
911 VIP is also a bit more laid back, although the girls may occasionally be pretty aggressive.
The Oh La La type of places though, Ishtar / Shandra, Safari Lodge, can be a pretty valuable resource as well. They're about the same thing as a tochka, if you're stuck alone late at night. Go there at 3 am and take a girl out for a couple of hours for sometimes even less than a tochka. For that they're all right. Just don't waste your time on lap dances and tips and so on. Keep waving them off until you find the girl you'd like to screw, then grab her and get out. That's the only way.
Guido,
Did you tell Rick about the problem with his assistant scamming money from you?
What was his reaction?
Strav
At the time I decided just to let the incident go and not worry about it, maybe I lost $125 or so. Since posting yesterday I have had another member contact me by PM regarding a theft that occurred that may have coincidentally involved the same assistant.
I believe that Rick is basically a good guy, honest and that he should be aware what occured. I plan to contact him and relay what has happened. I suggest the other member do the same.
Guido 88
Guido has already mentioned most of it but a few humble opinions.
Try not to use credit cards at bars, even in restaurants.
Carry only the necessary amount of cash in rubles and/or dollars; passport, return ticket and registration document. (Better not to carry wallet).
If you have fancy watch or valuables, keep them in safe when you go out.
Do not try to attract women with money. Hunter may turn into a hunt.
If you are going to an incall, prefer to go there at daytime. If possible first meet her somewhere else (coffee shop or bar). If you don’t like the apartment or feel insecure, leave the place. I prefer incalls. It’s too risky but I like the adrenaline and made love at her own bed.
Some said keep an eye on your drink or if it tastes different order another one. Yes, this is important but how many of us really do that.
The list and warnings may go on.
Remember, you are a stranger and foreigner. Girls and guys know what you are after and you have cash. Listen to your instincts, if you feel insecure or toxicated leave the place (her place) or make her leave from your room or apartment.
My comments on the safety issue.
Guido and Big Bro are right that we should remember that we are foreigners in a mildly xenophobic society with a ridiculous gap between rich and poor. Behaving as if Moscow (and its girls) are our own personal playthings may serve us well at times, however just because we say "nothings ever happened to me before", it doesnt mean we should let our guard down and avoid the necessary caution. It's also important to respect the girls.
I also believe however that the worst course of action is to become paranoid about the city.
Seems to me that CF/Boarhouse has a serious security problem that needs to be managed by us... don't expect CF management or its security to do anything. If they aren't actually somehow involved in the incidents they are at least impartial to them. CF is well-known as the lazy foreigners watering hole and whoring venue... I ought to know, I am lazy enough to go there entirely too often myself. Obviously news gets around that cash-happy foreigners go there, often get absolutely ripped (drunk) and are looking to score with either pros or some loose ladies. Occasionally normal or even exceptionally charming girls wind up there too, but generally speaking after midnight its skank city.... some great pros but a lot of average pros as well, and obviously a share of scheming wenches.
I will continue to go there because I have often had a great time... its a bit like McDonalds in that sense... it may not be great, but at least you always know what to expect.... and $100-200 will always get you laid.
"Unfortunately Moscow seems to be moving towards the Fuck the foreigner’s mindset. "
Marginally true in my opinion, but it seems that CF is the majority of that part of the problem. The rest of the city may not be foreigner-friendly, but they aren't looking to scam the foreigner either.
"Watch your drink at all times."
Very true. I do, even though it is admittedly hard to watch it all times. There are plenty of other interesting things to watch too.... :)
"Lock you apartment door always."
Absolutely.
"Don’t get so shitfaced drunk that you loose your ability to be aware of what’s going on. Our own Doc Skank operates best in this knee-walking drunk condition, most of the rest us do not."
I don't know if my condition should be described as knee-walking drunk, but alk will reduce not only your inhibitions, but also your cognitive skills, your perception and your judgement. Maintining poise and balance is the key. Alk is fun, but too much could very well ruin your evening. I try not to get that drunk too.... but sometimes fail. Thankfully I have been lucky. Knock on wood.
"Sounds as though CT may have found an interesting alternative in Odessa."
There are numerous alternatives, but there still is no 2nd Moscow. Love or hate it... my love for the city is eternal.
"Try not to use credit cards at bars, even in restaurants."
I wouldn't use a card at a bar, but at restaurants and ATMs I think it is OK... in any case for me, credit card use is sometimes a necessary evil. I carry a good deal of cash, but carrying too much cash is also a bad idea. Cash is just waiting to be spent, lost or stolen.
"Carry only the necessary amount of cash in rubles and/or dollars; passport, return ticket and registration document. (Better not to carry wallet). "
Hard to gauge what the necessary amount is... but generally correct. Don't bring your home mortgage and savings fund with you... :)
"If you have fancy watch or valuables, keep them in safe when you go out."
The fancy watch is a weapon that I prefer to use. It may attract attention, but I find the attention attracted to be positive. It isnt that every girl sees the watch and thinks "I want his money".. it just suggests success, and women like successful men. Winners.
"Do not try to attract women with money. Hunter may turn into a hunt."
Flashing too much cash and making your relative wealth the focal point of attack is indeed risky. At the very least you are going to meet only girls who see you as "a wallet". I also dont find flashing cash to be particularly effective in Moscow... or maybe I just haven't been flashing enough... :)
"If you are going to an incall, prefer to go there at daytime. If possible first meet her somewhere else (coffee shop or bar). If you don’t like the apartment or feel insecure, leave the place. I prefer incalls. It’s too risky but I like the adrenaline and made love at her own bed."
Searching for outcall apartments late at night is indeed asking for trouble.
"Some said keep an eye on your drink or if it tastes different order another one. Yes, this is important but how many of us really do that. "
Sometimes it is very impractical. Just used heightened caution.
"The list and warnings may go on."
Yes.... but let's keep things relative. Moscow has its risks, but it isnt as if the city is out to get you. You have to remain the hunter, always. Don't let the city... or it's girls, turn the tables on you.
I might just add that it is important to remember that especially pros, but also some normal girls, may mean the best... but when presented with an opportunity to take advantage of a situation and steal from a "rich" foreigner... they may not be able to resist the temptation. Try to avoid giving them these temptations.... i.e watch your cash and valuables.
Admittedly we all go overboard sometimes, but we should try to keep things in check. As for me, I think I'll go overboard again tonight.
There's this great Russian cartoon hanging in my friend's office. A little boy steps onto the roadway, and an old hag pulls him back onto the sidewalk and begins to lecture him, pointing at a traffic light. As she's doing that, she gets hit by a truck.
I just wanted to remind everyone that we're in the business of getting drunk and visiting seedy places to pick up loose women. You just can't expect the same level of security and customer service you're used to at your local Nordstrom's.
By the way, back on topic, I went to Mister XXX last night, and it's still my favorite Moscow strip club. My only wish is that they had more girls, but that's only because I've been there too many times and know pretty much everybody. That can get pretty annoying. Still, they have actual stage shows which are great to watch, with costumes and choreography and lighting, and the place is very laid back and not at all aggressive. Just be wary of the 1,500 r drinks for the girls, which is the standard price for anything a dancer may order.
My own visit didn't go that great because this girl I just couldn't keep away from all summer was there, and she spent the entire two hours literally crying on my shoulder. The club apparently has some new management, and it was her turn to sleep with the new boss. I just can't handle that kind of realism. I couldn't send her off, was unable to strike up anything with a waitress with the most amazing ass, so I ended up going home with another dancer I've already done before. It was still good sex with a great looking woman, but just not enough adventure and too much drama for my taste. Your mileage will vary of course, since I don't suppose anyone else has this much baggage with that place.
[Edit] Oh, the moment of Zen. My post count is my user name. I should never post again.
Has anyone traveled to Moscow for a long weekend from the US.
Would you recommend it.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]
I just wanted to remind everyone that we're in the business of getting drunk and visiting seedy places to pick up loose women. You just can't expect the same level of security and customer service you're used to at your local Nordstrom's.
[/QUOTE]
Here it is only February and already we may have the quote of the year! This should be tattooed on the back of our right hands.
[QUOTE]Oh, the moment of Zen. My post count is my user name. I should never post again.[/QUOTE]
Quick! Buy a lottery ticket, the planets are in alignment.
I just have a question?
NF is Night flight and what abbreviation CF means?
Thank you.
Lover
[QUOTE=Lover]I just have a question?
NF is Night flight and what abbreviation CF means?
Thank you.
Lover[/QUOTE]Chesterfield, also known as Doug & Marty's and Boar House.
M3207... sexplorer travels all over the world for long weekend trips.
Just a point on CF... I expect that the short timers attitude will soon develop if they are in fact closing on 31 March. They will not care what happens and will look to maximize revenue by any means.
Hi all, I've never been in Moscow (just few times in Prague and Budapest) but would like to have a sex-weekend there, please, can someone of the Moscow-pro's give hints and reply to my questions, thx a lot.
- don't speak any word in Russki and can't read this cyrillic, are there any sex guides or brochures, articles in latin script?
- I watched some "prostitutiki" sites like [url]http://www.putana.org/[/url] - [url]http://gosex.ru/enter.php[/url] and [url]http://www.spbgirls.ru/[/url] - (aaah, there are hotties there..) I cannot believe that all the pics are genuine and sure some are stolen, is there a trick how to check out? (yea, yea, I know.. knock on Ellis door..) Are the Russia girls really so hot they look like?
- Unfortunately there are nowhere email-contacts, only phone numb - do the girls speak english, german or even parla italiano - rofl?
- When you call the girls, who do you get on phone? Hopefully not the pimps or grandpa Zhukov, or worse - the husband.
Last but not least, I was thinking over to go to Bucarest or Moscow. Have anyone expirience to tell where the girls are better? I heard about that in Romania the girls are a bit "rude" - true?
Thank you guys, Robert
There have been rumors of CF closing for how long now? Somehow I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. There's this jewelry store in the buidling I was born in. It's had a "going out of business, everything must go, 75% off" sign for as long as I remember. They replace it every summer when the letters begin to fade. Perfect business model to lure in the clueless out of towners.
At CF, sometimes you get fucked, and sometimes you get fucked.
in light of recent discussions.
police are warning all men who frequent clubs, parties & local pubs to be alert and stay cautious when offered a drink from any woman. many females use a date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drug on the market called "beer."
the drug is found in liquid form and is available anywhere. it comes in bottles, cans, or from taps and in large "kegs". beer is used by female sexual predators at parties and bars to persuade their male victims to go home and sleep with them.
a woman needs only to get a guy to consume a few units of beer and then simply ask him home for no strings attached sex.
men are rendered helpless against this approach. after several beers, men will often succumb to the desires to sleep with horrific looking women whom they would never normally be attracted.
after drinking beer, men often awaken with only hazy memories of exactly what happened to them the night before, often with just a vague feeling that "something bad" occurred.
at other times these unfortunate men are swindled out of their life's savings, in a familiar scam known as "a relationship."
in extreme cases, the female may even be shrewd enough to entrap the unsuspecting male into a longer term form of servitude and punishment referred to as "marriage." men are much more susceptible to this scam after beer is administered and sex is offered by the predatory females.
please! forward this warning to every male you know.
if you fall victim to this "beer" scam and the women administering it, there are male support groups where you can discuss the details of your shocking encounter with similarly victimized men.
for the support group nearest you, just look up golf courses" in the phone book.
beer demo for the horrors:
[url]http://www.brackenspub.com/beer.swf[/url]
guido88
Dear Friends,
In last days I had to much work for writing on Valentina (or Margarita)…
Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits… but the best is the GFE experience which is fantastic. Sleeping and taking her in the morning!
All the expressions she has with her little teen face (she’s 22 now) are fantastic specially when you are nailing her anally in missionary position with her legs on your shoulder and you look deep in her brown eyes. WOW!
A couple of weeks ago I took her for three nights in a week!
See the pics in pics section.
By the way I’ll be in Moscow soon again (I have also a well known driver) and would like to know from more experts the best addresses or areas for winter tockas…
I’ll be there in the weekend March 18-20, somebody there for a beer?
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]Dear Friends,
In last days I had to much work for writing on Valentina (or Margarita)…
Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits… but the best is the GFE experience which is fantastic. Sleeping and taking her in the morning!
All the expressions she has with her little teen face (she’s 22 now) are fantastic specially when you are nailing her anally in missionary position with her legs on your shoulder and you look deep in her brown eyes. WOW!
A couple of weeks ago I took her for three nights in a week!
See the pics in pics section.
By the way I’ll be in Moscow soon again (I have also a well known driver) and would like to know from more experts the best addresses or areas for winter tockas…
I’ll be there in the weekend March 18-20, somebody there for a beer?
IT[/QUOTE]Man, may be it's not my business. But reading this forum I, as a woman, can't resist commenting such things as: "Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits…" And later you write that you spent with her wonderful time and bla-bla-bla.... Isn't it shame? A woman gave you perfect service and treated you like agentlemen. And you write these ugly things about her body, which is probably not so bad. Is this gentlemen-like? You could at least be grateful, because she could have been not so generous with you. You didn't deserve her, really.
Ah - Guido - I rememebr the old saw - "I've never gone to bed with an ugly woman but I've woken up with a few" (also the "definition" of "beer goggles" - enough beer and even a sheep looks beutiful)
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Ah - Guido - I rememebr the old saw - "I've never gone to bed with an ugly woman but I've woken up with a few" (also the "definition" of "beer goggles" - enough beer and even a sheep looks beutiful)[/QUOTE]We say in Russia: "If you find a woman ugly probably you need more vodka".
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Man, may be it's not my business. But reading this forum I, as a woman, can't resist commenting such things as: "Of course she is beautiful, but as already said she has a lot of birthmarks and saggy tits…" And later you write that you spent with her wonderful time and bla-bla-bla.... Isn't it shame? A woman gave you perfect service and treated you like agentlemen. And you write these ugly things about her body, which is probably not so bad. Is this gentlemen-like? You could at least be grateful, because she could have been not so generous with you. You didn't deserve her, really.[/QUOTE]
Of course she gave me a really beautiful GFE experience…
But the birthmarks are a fact, if you see the pics I posted this time and before she is never completely naked!
I don’t want to be unfair, I just want that men going for her services know exactly how it is: how she is! So she do not loose time, meetings and so on.
She is a wonderful girl, exactly as I am a wonderful guy! But my weight is 20 kg too much, sometime I’m to lazy to shave, I smoke cigars, I like vodka, etc. etc. (best of all I like Ikra!).
We were also to a bar together… no change, only 1.000 RUR notes, she paid! And forgot to ask me for the money, she got it in any case the morning after…
Do you think this is enough to answer you Helena?
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]Of course she gave me a really beautiful GFE experience…
But the birthmarks are a fact, if you see the pics I posted this time and before she is never completely naked!
I don’t want to be unfair, I just want that men going for her services know exactly how it is: how she is! So she do not loose time, meetings and so on.
She is a wonderful girl, exactly as I am a wonderful guy! But my weight is 20 kg too much, sometime I’m to lazy to shave, I smoke cigars, I like vodka, etc. etc. (best of all I like Ikra!).
We were also to a bar together… no change, only 1.000 RUR notes, she paid! And forgot to ask me for the money, she got it in any case the morning after…
Do you think this is enough to answer you Helena?
IT[/QUOTE]I think that you must still respect the girl who gave you good time. And at least not make her bad advertisement. Another man would probably not even notice these birthmarks, but now everybody will watch very carefully, because you bothered to point. Sure she would be extremely "happy" after such a detailed report. You think working girls have no feelings?
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow] it's my business as a woman, And you a gentlemen? You be grateful, You didn't deserve her.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't deserve a prostitute? He should be grateful that she
will have sex with anyone who will pay her?
Maybe she is just good at her job, which happens to be sucking and
fucking. In every "business", there are those who are better at what
they do than others. Maybe your problem is that you're not?
Isn't it just good business to treat your customers the way they want
to be treated? Sure some customers are ass holes and don't
"deserve" to be treated well, but is this the example?
Елена дорогая,
Я не понимаю, почему ты так обидчивый?
This is not a lonely hearts club. This is an online forum for men to exchange information with each other for the purpose of meeting women for sex. Most of that is paid sex with prostitutes.
IT was simply doing his honor-bound duty as a member of the forum to be as accurate as possible in describing his experience with this girl. We would expect nothing less. Most guys are not impressed by saggy tits, so the fact that she has saggy tits is an important piece of information. If a man is going to pay for a woman, he wants the best possible quality for his money. This is the way men are. Does this surprise you? Does this offend you?
This is not a transaction between and gentleman and a lady. If you want a good romance about gentlemen and ladies, I would suggest Tolstoy or Turgenev. Checkov is also good.
It’s always interesting to hear a woman’s point of view and I think you are welcome here. But don’t presume to lecture us on our behaviour. After all, women are no better than men in this regard, in fact, they are typically much worse.
Hi guys,
I've been reading this forum for some time now, but it's my first time writing in here.
I have been visiting Russia many times during the last 5 years, and I've have many good memories from this. Some of the best experiences have been with students in smaller russian towns, but also with totcka-girls in Moscow. I am going to Moscow again soon, and if any of you have experience with girls from omen.ru please let me now. There are some really hot ones on this site, but I am a little worried that it could be fake photoes, so now I'm wondering if I should stick to the totcka, or if I should try this omen.ru?
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]He doesn't deserve a prostitute? He should be grateful that she
will have sex with anyone who will pay her?
Maybe she is just good at her job, which happens to be sucking and
fucking. In every "business", there are those who are better at what
they do than others. Maybe your problem is that you're not?
Isn't it just good business to treat your customers the way they want
to be treated? Sure some customers are ass holes and don't
"deserve" to be treated well, but is this the example?[/QUOTE]
"will have sex with anyone who will pay her?" - not with anyone, be sure. if she knew in advance that her personal secrets will be displayed on message board, she'd probably refuse.
"Maybe your problem is that you're not?" - we are not talking about how good or bad I am. Just about respect to people you deal with.
"He doesn't deserve a prostitute?" - what do you have about prostitutes? we offer useful service which is in demand. we don't kill or still. we honestly make our living. if you are here - it's only because you are interested in prostitutes and their service. because you probebly need it. and if a girl served you right and didn't put you clofelin in the bittle as it happened to one of the guys here, if she treated you nicely and didn't kick your ass away, than you can at least appreciate it. as well as any other good quality service.
"Isn't it just good business to treat your customers the way they want
to be treated?" - It's another subject. Client is not always right, I guess, you know it. But still we treat them nicely and not give away personal detailes. It's not even the question of business, but the decency. Something which probably must be learned in the childhood. One can't give away personal detailes, it's not normal if a man after a wonderful night writes every little detail on forum. How would you treat if we, girls, would do to you the same?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Елена дорогая,
Я не понимаю, почему ты так обидчивый?
This is not a lonely hearts club. This is an online forum for men to exchange information with each other for the purpose of meeting women for sex. Most of that is paid sex with prostitutes.
IT was simply doing his honor-bound duty as a member of the forum to be as accurate as possible in describing his experience with this girl. We would expect nothing less. Most guys are not impressed by saggy tits, so the fact that she has saggy tits is an important piece of information. If a man is going to pay for a woman, he wants the best possible quality for his money. This is the way men are. Does this surprise you? Does this offend you?
This is not a transaction between and gentleman and a lady. If you want a good romance about gentlemen and ladies, I would suggest Tolstoy or Turgenev. Checkov is also good.
It’s always interesting to hear a woman’s point of view and I think you are welcome here. But don’t presume to lecture us on our behaviour. After all, women are no better than men in this regard, in fact, they are typically much worse.[/QUOTE]
"Елена дорогая,
Я не понимаю, почему ты так обидчивый?" - это не обо мне, ты не заметил? речь идет о другой девушке. и я считаю, что мужчина поступил подло, сделав ей плохую рекламу после того, как воспользовался ее хорошей услугой. вот и всё.
Oh, go get a room you two.
Last night I met up with this girl I first met two years ago at CF. For about a year now she's been doing the sponsorship route, and as I fear somebody else may know her on here I'll keep the personal details scant. When I last met her last August, most of her friends still worked at CF. There was this loose band of about 10 girls who I networked with through my friend. A couple switched over to NF last year, but the last I heard, most still worked CF and bitched at it incessantly.
Well, last night I found out that none of those girls, and most of the girls they know, have worked at CF for at least two-three months. The word out on the street is, CF has turned to shit for working girls, and all the decent ones are looking for other options. The client just doesn't go there no more, it's all drunken Russians and poor foreign exchange students, and the security is ripping the girls off and charging them increasingly higher fees, often even when a girl leaves by herself. Supposedly foreign clients are pretty rare nowadays, but a lot of Russians began treating CF as basically an indoor tochka. The girls routinely get mistreated or ripped off.
Now, the worst news is, the girls just can't find another outlet. Few can make it at NF. They tried the internet for a while, and found it sucky. Most have regular dayjobs now, occasionally falling back on an old comrade in arms like myself. This one really striking brunette who does awesome deep throat now works as a secretary making $400 / month. A very sweet half-Korean girl waits tables at a Chinese restaurant. The girls are all really pissed off, and so am I. What's this world coming to, when a beautiful Russian girl can't find a nice tourist to sell her body to?
Helena Moscow and Victoria 2005, you are the wild roses of our forum.
To all, please no need to offend or harshly criticise each other’s with everlasting comments.
Let's back to real problems...
CF is going down in all means and NF is too expensive ( I enjoyed every second with the NF girls but don’t want to pay senseless amounts of greens at all).
I like CF(sin house) because, I don’t get food poisoning, they don’t add water to drinks, have chance to win in roulette (won 20,000 and black angel took all of it, but manage to make another 6.000), decent expats and foreigner mongers are the main customers and obliviously meet attractive women in reasonable prices.
109 is right, where do we find naughty/attractive/talented girls in reasonable prices($150-250) and a spot like CF?
Is it confirmed that CF is closing at the end of March?
Those okhraniki there are jerks, they always try to extort money out of you when you show up slightly drunk.
I've heard that the 'security fee' for girls has went up from 500 to 1000 rubles.
I was there the other day at around 5 in the mourning and some girl wanted 300 dollars 'do ytrom.' 300 dollars until morning, in what, 45 minutes. Damn petrodollars!
It is not a big suprise why that place is going under. It was really nice for a while.
Hi,
For people who are interested in younger girls I can give information about a club called 'Sashenka' in Moscow.
If any of you has experience with this club or similar clubs, who offer the same exclusive girls, I would like to exchange some ideas/information.
Greetings,
Daniel
Елена дорогая,
Of course you are upset by IT’s post. Your purpose here, is to promote yourself and your "services", such as they may be. Maybe someday, someone will write about you, truthfully and honestly, and you are afraid it will not be such a “good advertisement”.
You criticize IT for being "mean". I think his report was very kind. He made it clear that Valentina treated him very well. His description of her was honest, no more, no less.
Who knows, there may be some guy out there who is looking for a sweet young Russki dyev who will treat him well and is not so concerned about her sagging tits. If there is, then IT has done Valentina a favor by describing her so well.
That’s how it’s supposed to work.
между прочим, ваш сайт не работает хорошо, должно ремонт
[QUOTE=One O Nine]...
Now, the worst news is, the girls just can't find another outlet. Few can make it at NF. They tried the internet for a while, and found it sucky. Most have regular dayjobs now, occasionally falling back on an old comrade in arms like myself. This one really striking brunette who does awesome deep throat now works as a secretary making $400 / month. A very sweet half-Korean girl waits tables at a Chinese restaurant. The girls are all really pissed off, and so am I. What's this world coming to, when a beautiful Russian girl can't find a nice tourist to sell her body to?[/QUOTE]Why don't we guys here just select a place and spread the word? (devilish grin).
Moscow is the city where everything is possible. Just go to "The Boar House" where you can find on a weekly night over a 100 girls. cost: approx 100 - 150 Euro
If you are more lucky someone takes you to a nice bar / restaurant where you can EASILY contact the locals.
Cost: 5 euro (for the taxi the next morning)
BEST ADVICE: when going to one of the bars take the free magazin which describes all places to visit, including prices, scoring % etc. etc. Ask any foreigner for more info.
I will be back in 4 weeks and I will visit "the Fabric" Disco style, loaded with woman...
Changing subject.... :D
I just had a look at GermanWings, and they are flying Koln-Moscow Vnukovo for 50 euros single trip (100 euros return) in September, and 36 euros single trip (72 euros return) in November.
I've often used GermanWings, excellent low cost airline and, judging from the photos ([url]http://www35.germanwings.com/en/fluginfos_moskau.html[/url]), Vnukovo airport looks quite decent.
Thanks GJ for the link.
GermanWings is a good cheap option, but to get the cheap flights you must book at least 3 weeks in advance to get the best rates. As the departure day nears the prices go up to 100-200€ one-way. Still, this is the cheapest option I was able to find as well at 50-70€ one-way with advance booking. Flying to Vnukovo has no significant disadvantage from what I can tell.
Other cheap options I know of are:
Germania Express-this is essentially deutsche BA and flies from Duesseldorf to Domodedovo for 126 € + each way depending on which time you book. Nice modern planes.
[url]www.gexx.de[/url]
S7- they also fly out of Duesseldorf and their fares run about 200-300€ round trip. I've flown them too, nice airline with modern planes. They also fly to Siberia.
[url]www.s7.ru[/url]
Aeroflot - If you book in time it is still quite affordable at about 330 € round trip.
[url]www.aeroflot.ru[/url]
Regarding airports I find Sheremetyevo to be the most convenient to get to, but Domodedovo is definitely the nicest and friendliest. They actually have decent cafes, have internet and wifi, have some shopping and it is generally clean and nice. We all know what a humourless dump Sheremetyevo is, especially after you pass passport control there is nothing to do there but sit and wait and maybe drink a beer at the Irish Pub.
Vnukovo is nothing special, but if saving €s is a priority, then flying to Vnukovo is your best bet, at least in terms of German-based flights.
[QUOTE=Rasman77]Hi guys,
I've been reading this forum for some time now, but it's my first time writing in here.
I have been visiting Russia many times during the last 5 years, and I've have many good memories from this. Some of the best experiences have been with students in smaller russian towns, but also with totcka-girls in Moscow. I am going to Moscow again soon, and if any of you have experience with girls from omen.ru please let me now. There are some really hot ones on this site, but I am a little worried that it could be fake photoes, so now I'm wondering if I should stick to the totcka, or if I should try this omen.ru?[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend
I used omen.ru trying to find a mistress for a weekly fee...
I found Inna (fake name and pic) see my report at:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=431553&postcount=3257[/url]
In any case she was a beautiful and well bodied and 19teen!
The only froblem was: sex only in the afternoon and 500 USD for the first shot, now she is still on omen so perhaps she did not found what she was out for... Of course the pic was fake, she was even better by person. The type was that: slim, dark eyes and hair etc. (If you want to try... ICQ her and propose a meeting in a central restaurant near Metro, she hates to walk and hates the cold too).
I have seen there are a lot of girls accepting sponsorship (!) for one day around 6-9.000 RUR, or even more.
If you go for some let me know. I'll be in Russia from March 18th so I would like to take some of these girls to hotel, particularly:
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=621065[/url] (no ICQ ot tel)
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=613758[/url] (ICQ)
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=597603[/url] (no ICQ or tel)
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=620454[/url] (ICQ but I got her phone too)
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=619641[/url] (ICQ)
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=603320[/url] (ICQ)
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=595912[/url] (ICQ)
The problem is that usually most of this girls speak Russian only and they want a long term Sponsorship, but some will accept 1 or 2 weeks or even nights.
if Inna (se the report) had accepted nights I think that for 45.000 RUR a month (on ground I was staying 9 days) I could have got her for 35.000 for a week. It is not bad havine a beautiful teen in your bed!
So if you feel just try.
Mind that the most pro pics are surely fake or photoshopped. The most naive ones are normally real.
IT
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Thanks GJ for the link.
GermanWings is a good cheap option, but to get the cheap flights you must book at least 3 weeks in advance to get the best rates. As the departure day nears the prices go up to 100-200€ one-way. Still, this is the cheapest option I was able to find as well at 50-70€ one-way with advance booking. Flying to Vnukovo has no significant disadvantage from what I can tell.
Other cheap options I know of are:
Germania Express-this is essentially deutsche BA and flies from Duesseldorf to Domodedovo for 126 € + each way depending on which time you book. Nice modern planes.
[url]www.gexx.de[/url]
S7- they also fly out of Duesseldorf and their fares run about 200-300€ round trip. I've flown them too, nice airline with modern planes. They also fly to Siberia.
[url]www.s7.ru[/url]
Aeroflot - If you book in time it is still quite affordable at about 330 € round trip.
[url]www.aeroflot.ru[/url]
Regarding airports I find Sheremetyevo to be the most convenient to get to, but Domodedovo is definitely the nicest and friendliest. They actually have decent cafes, have internet and wifi, have some shopping and it is generally clean and nice. We all know what a humourless dump Sheremetyevo is, especially after you pass passport control there is nothing to do there but sit and wait and maybe drink a beer at the Irish Pub.
Vnukovo is nothing special, but if saving €s is a priority, then flying to Vnukovo is your best bet, at least in terms of German-based flights.[/QUOTE]
On ground I'm flying very much I always prefer to go with bigger companies like Lufthansa or Austrian where you can get flights (booked and paid well before) for under 300-350 €.
I mean not from Germany, but from another European Country with a change in Frankfurt, ***ich or Vienna.
By the way the flight I'm buying from my Country to Vienna is 290 € with Austrian go to the site [url]www.austrian.com[/url] or [url]www.lufthansa.com[/url]. (safe you can buy with your CC and get an etix: electronic ticket).
The same is even for [url]www.klm.com[/url] and [url]www.airfrance.com[/url] where it is a little more expencive, around 350-450 €.
Of course all the prices are with all taxes and fees included (low cost have ususally hidden charges like 10 € fot ticket etc.)
IT
Can anyone figure out the Lufthansa schedule or prices
for r/t between Frankfurt and Gorky? The damn web site
is a total pain in the ass.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]
Well, none of those girls work at CF for at least two-three months decent ones are looking for other options. The client just doesn't go there no more, basically an indoor tochka. The girls routinely get mistreated or ripped off.
What's this world coming to, when a beautiful Russian girl can't find a nice tourist to sell her body to?[/QUOTE]
If the going tochka prices are $150 to $200, and CF is now an indoor line-up,
then why aren't they getting paid? Is it because the $150-$200 price is
only the tourist price? Wasn't that already the CF price? And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF?
Actually, that's a question i meant to aks for a long time.
In the tochkas, are there always different prices for locals and tourists?
When the mamachka has the polizi waiting around the corner, is that
only for tourists as well, or do they work that scam on locals too?
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Can anyone figure out the Lufthansa schedule or prices
for r/t between Frankfurt and Gorky? The damn web site is a total pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]Hi Bez,
as far as I know, Gorky is Nizhniy Novgorod. Here is what Lufthansa provides so far, prices are in/out flight:
Economy Saver Changes and refund not permitted. € 312
Economy Basic Changes are permitted against a charge. Refund not permitted. € 580
Economy Flex Flexible and refundable. € 1684
Eco saver just available limited and needs to have a weekend stay included.
Frankfurt NN: Wed, Frid, and Monday 18:30 to 00:05 + 1day (all local time)
NN to Frankfurt: Thu, Sat and Tue 05:50 to 07:30
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]GermanWings is a good cheap option, but to get the cheap flights you must book at least 3 weeks in advance to get the best rates. [/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right, and I wouldn't say 3 weeks in advance, but rather 6 months! :D That's why I mentionned Sept and Nov. GermanWings has the additional advantages of very cheap prices from other cities in Europe to Koln, like 9 euro single trip from Nice, South of France (nearest airport for where I live). I used to fly to Prague with them for 50 euros Nice-Koln-Prague and return. For Moscow, it will be 100-120 euros return. I have to book pretty long in advance but I tell myself that, in the worse case where I have to cancel or change my flights, I won't lose that much money (thanks God, it never happened so far).
I already know about Germania Express, but never heard about S7. Great, another option. Thanks for the information, that's what a forum is all about, isn't it? ;)
[QUOTE=It Travel]The same is even for [url]www.klm.com[/url] and [url]www.airfrance.com[/url] where it is a little more expencive, around 350-450 €.
[/QUOTE]
I'm living in France and belong to that category of "cocorico" guys who think that everything French is better. Even though, Air France is the worse airline I've ever use. I have tons of personal horror stories about Air France, but it would be pretty off-topic. Just one word from a guy who thinks everything "made in France" is better: Stay away from Air France.
I'm flying Lufthansa mainly too, in particular for business trips, but what I wanted to point out is that there are occasionally some cheap options popping up, worth catching. Even with GermanWings, offer for a 36 euros ticket to Moscow don't happen often, it's a special offer and it's available only for a few days. Those interested must act quick.
Jim
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]If the going tochka prices are $150 to $200, and CF is now an indoor line-up,
then why aren't they getting paid? Is it because the $150-$200 price is
only the tourist price? Wasn't that already the CF price? And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF?
Actually, that's a question i meant to aks for a long time.
In the tochkas, are there always different prices for locals and tourists?
When the mamachka has the polizi waiting around the corner, is that
only for tourists as well, or do they work that scam on locals too?[/QUOTE]
"And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF? " - That's not just the question of beauty. I used to work in NF for 3 years and business was good. But then unexpectedly security stopped let me in, as well as some other girls who used to go for a long time. The reason why was never explained. And some girls, beautiful, my friends, were never even admitted there. Club management somehow desides who is allowed to come and who is not. And noone understands the reasons. But I'm still in contact with some of NF girls and they also complain that now business goes worse than before and that men are becoming greedy and rude. Sometimes buseness goes down, and sometimes up. It happened many times before and there is nothing special about it.
[QUOTE=GandJim]Changing subject.... :D
I just had a look at GermanWings, and they are flying Koln-Moscow Vnukovo for 50 euros single trip (100 euros return) in September, and 36 euros single trip (72 euros return) in November.
I've often used GermanWings, excellent low cost airline and, judging from the photos ([url]http://www35.germanwings.com/en/fluginfos_moskau.html[/url]), Vnukovo airport looks quite decent.[/QUOTE]
Hi.
Did you happen to buy tickets from them? They advertise a lot and ones I also wanted to buy their ticket, but when came on the site, the prices were different from those pointed in adverticement. And I didn't find the phone number and adress in Moscow. Do they have an office or work by internet only?
If someone had any experience with this company, please, whright. Thanks.
Well there you have it gentlemen, we should be ashamed of ourselves: "... men are becoming greedy and rude....."
We must try harder in the future, as I hope in my own case it is only a temporary lapse.
Helena,
I have flown Germanwings a number of times and cities and have been very satisfied with them as per GJ's post - not to/from Moscow though I would add. Very good planes and on-time record when I've flown them.
Your comment on the pricing is correct. The prices are not fixed and fluctuate depending upon ticket demand and length of time before before departure time. You will also find that the price of the ticket can be different on the same day - the more activity for a given flight/date the higher the price or lower in the case of low demand. That's how it works. If you book a flight several months ahead, it can be very very cheap. Internet is the way they use to book tickets. Also take note of the cancellation and change rules that can be very strict.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]If the going tochka prices are $150 to $200, and CF is now an indoor line-up,
then why aren't they getting paid? Is it because the $150-$200 price is
only the tourist price? Wasn't that already the CF price? And if they're so beautiful, then why can't they go to NF? [/QUOTE]
Well, first of all these girls don't want to be taken out by the tochka clientelle. The tochka-going Russians can be rough. This one girl was forced by some old guy to stay at his apt for 2 days and do his dishes and his laundry, and then he threw her out without paying. Another pair of girls was taken out by a decent-looking fellow, who took them out to the 'burbs and gave them as a treat to the crew of Tajiks fixing up his place. 7 Tajiks, 2 girls, $150 minus 700r to security each. Great deal, huh? There's a reason not everyone works tochkas you know. These stories add-up, the girls become scared to go with Russians, foreigners are scarce, etc - you get the idea.
And making it at NF isn't that easy. Going in there as a working girl is different from going there as a client. Helena touched on that a little bit already, but basically security selects who can go in and who can't. A lot more girls want to work at NF than actually get to. Security keeps it what it is.
Basically, I'm not sure what you're trying to imply about my friends, but do you honestly think that they'd give up a nice income so easily and switch to crummy day jobs? They're all decent looking, but mostly in a homely girl-next-door way, not the dolled-up NF type of thing. Most of them speak very basic English.
In short, I'm sure you know that NF and CF are very different places. Not everyone who can make it at CF will make it at NF, and vice versa. That's elementary, Watson.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Actually, that's a question i meant to aks for a long time.
In the tochkas, are there always different prices for locals and tourists?
When the mamachka has the polizi waiting around the corner, is that
only for tourists as well, or do they work that scam on locals too?[/QUOTE]
Tochkas are a purely Russian resource; foreigners are a rare exception. Tochka pimps make so much money off the locals, and so little off the tourists, they don't need to bother making up additional policies for foreigners. Those cops waiting around the corner would die of starvation if they spent their nights waiting for you.
It's a friggin fast food joint. You get in, they tell you the price categories, you pick one, they line them up. They got no reason to sit there and scheme and come up with different line ups and different price structures based on where their clients are from. They want you to get in, get the broad, and get out. If you make it there late night when the selection is crummy, you'll get a discount just like anybody else. If you make it on a busy night at prime time, you may get charged 9,000 for a girl who'll go for 6,500 two hours later. That's got nothing to do with the color of your passport.
I was told by a girl at NF that NF management only allows girls that have documents to work there. Most tochka girls don't have documents therefore can't work there. I can't however comment on that NF girls being higher quality. I wasn't impressed by their looks. I find them to bit a little on the mature/older side.
She also told me that NF management prefers foreign clientile over Russians as Russian men tend to be rough and might get drunk and cause trouble at the club.
oh, and i forgot why i came here for. sheesh.
there's this strip club gryozy, which is one of the moscow's oldest; it recently reopened after being renovated for about a year.
to cut the long story short, stay away.
and if anyone wants the long story, here it is. the place is right next to the metro novoslobodskaya. the entrance is kind of crummy looking, little steps down. huge tacky sign with glittering lights above it. the ohrana look like they're about to mug you, then murder you and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] your dead body. as you walk into the place, you realize why the ohrana is so gloomy. they're the thin unshaved line between this world and the next. the place is overrun by nightmarish ghouls from the underworld.
the apparitions unsuccessfully try to pass themselves for human females; however they can be easily distinguished by horrible scars and foul smell. i wish i was kidding. just like at the horrible, yet infinitely better, safari lodge, the girls immediately proposition you for sex upon approaching. they can be had on the premises for an absolute bargain of $300, plus ? (i forget) thousand roubles for the room. that's per hour.
the club inexplicably presents itself as a high-class elite club, trying to compete with the likes of bely medved and dolls. however you can find better looking women at a tochka at 6:15 am on a tuesday night.
oh, and i completely forgot. the drinks are excessively expensive. i don't know if i got overcharged or whatever, i don't really care, but two rounds of a few drops of jack daniels on piles of ice, i paid 3,000 something roubles, plus "tip", i.e. 4,000 r. and when i gave some goblin a 100 r note just to get rid of her, she looked at me funny and said "that's all?"
uggh. i need to repress the memory of that place, fast. if anyone wants to join me at 911 vip for drinks tonight on my last night in moscow, i'll be the dashing young gentleman in a suit surrounded by sluts.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Hi.
Did you happen to buy tickets from them? They advertise a lot and ones I also wanted to buy their ticket, but when came on the site, the prices were different from those pointed in adverticement. And I didn't find the phone number and adress in Moscow. Do they have an office or work by internet only?[/QUOTE]
Price changes daily and depends on which day you want to fly. The closer the date, the more expensive it is. Therefore, you need to book pretty much in advance, and that's why I mentionned flight for Sept-Nov in my post.
I attach a screen cap for price for November (36 euros one way). Very tempted to make a booking for Nov 15-20. Would you be in Moscow at these dates by any chance? :D
For buying tickets, you can do it by internet (best way), by phone (international number) or by going to the airport. For more details click [url=http://www21.germanwings.com/en/meta_hilfe_wie_kann_ich_buchen__.html]here[/url].
I meet up with 109 at some nameless cocktail bar, the kind of glam place where beer costs $9 and a mojito $15… admittedly a nice place, but also the kind of place that shoots very large holes in your mongering budget within a few hours. Call it Club 88.
We notice that we are both wearing the same uniform, something that can best be described as a more than casual drinkers battle smock. We laugh at our impromptu team coordination and proceed on our mission to throw caution to the wind and defy nearly every rule of safe conduct recently established in the ISG forum… expensive watches, flashing cash and club cards, speaking English, hitting on every chick within range, getting tanked quickly and effectively.
A few cocktails and beers and about $150 later, we are successfully tanked and while some blond is forcing 109 to note her telephone number, I am chatting up a sweet Jewish-looking girl…. I seem to be getting somewhere and she is hanging around interested, but I am reasonably sure that she is not a possible one night stand… seems just too sweet and is being guarded by two girlfriends, both of which are quite attractive and well-dressed. Almost every girl is well-dressed at the bar, suggesting they are either gainfully employed somewhere as secretaries, mid-level managers or accountants, sponsored or somehow on the take. At least 1 NF pro is spotted by eagle-eyed 109. She indeed looks very whorish and a bit used up.
I order a last round of drinks and a very hot blonde standing with a well-dressed English guy chats me up. We make idle useless conversation and I blow her off… she seems a bit taken back. Guess she’s not used to getting blown off, but frankly Masha, I don’t give a damn.
I get the Jewish girls number and give her a kiss as we leave to get our coats, chatting up two other hotties on the way out, tempting them with a trip to a club, but they are headed home.
Mission successful I suppose, but what is a Jewish girl’s phone number worth?
Before leaving we run through the options audibly as the girls we had chatted up before listen in.
Skazka, the new in club where Minesterstevo (sp.) used to be, Slava, the distant large club frequented by easy chicks on Shosse Entusiastov, perennial favorite First, the lazy man’s option Karma Bar or Club XIII… the girls seem impressed with our club knowledge and maybe we should have invited them somewhere, but we are interested in finding new girls to grovel and slobber on.
We go outside to brave the –20° cold, stopping to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] as we watch the Hummer2s, 7 series BMWs, S-class Mercedes and Prado LandCruisers drive by… this town has too much fucking money.
PZ is within walking distance and we decide to go there, which turns out to be a good choice. We stroll past PZ’s unpredictable feis control and check our coats, heading upstairs to the club. Instantly we realize it’s a good choice. Although small and maybe even a bit dumpy, PZ is a good place to meet regular Russians and especially a great place to meet chicks getting really drunk. Finding a sober chick in PZ, although presumably possible, is difficult. Not that we were looking.
We buy a couple of drinks for some girls at the bar and then forget them as quickly as we feel our mojo moving in. 109 goes to the john and chats up some chicks waiting in line and beckons me to join them at their table where he is now seated. I am eyeing two attractive blondes talking to two English guys and they intermittently look back. I don’t know why, but today I am feeling destructive. I feel great and happy, but somehow feel like the Cleaner from Luc Besson’s classic film La Femme Nikita… like the guy called in to either clean up a messy situation or if necessary, be the one making the mess.
I join 109 at his table where he is sitting with a German guy and two girls. One of the girls is really cute, a dark-haired girl from Tomsk. Instantly the Tomsk girl and I are getting along great and she is giving me great vibes. I am more than chatty and doing a good job of moving in on her when she cautions me that she is actually together with the German guy. Undaunted as I realize that she is much more interested in me than him, I cautiously ask for her number. She says she will give it to me, but the German should not see it. What a *****, passing out her number to strangers when she is with somebody else. And me, frankly I am being an asshole tonight. It’s really not my style to move in on some other guy’s clam, but tonight I know no shame.
She leaves the table briefly and 109 follows her, getting her number for me. Thanks mate. I also write my number down and slip it to her later. The German guy is at least somewhat aware of what’s going on and seems to fall into some sort of depressed trance. If I were him I’d fight for my chick, but he doesn’t. He’s a nice guy and I feel a bit sorry for him, so I decide to lay off his chick. She actually told me she doesn’t like him much, but he is very kind so she cannot leave with me today, but will meet me tomorrow. 109 and I move on to other prey, the Tomsk girl squeezing my hand as I stand up. As we leave, the German guy suddenly cheers up and is happy again.
I go to the toilet and while waiting in line I see the two blondes who were with the English guys waiting in line as well. I talk to the one closest to me, telling her that 109 and I are the much better choice, we are incredibly rich sex maniacs. The blondes are very amused and we enjoy some fun conversation. I don’t push the issue as I KNOW the English guys wouldn’t just surrender and would probably try to kick my ass if they knew what I was doing… so I defuse that situation by adding some more humour to the mix and wishing the blondes a fun night… the way things were headed I am sure the English lads got exactly what they were looking for that night.
109 and I acquire new targets nearly instantly… two girls are standing next to the dance floor and we buy them Jack and Coke. After a brief chat-up, 109 decides to head to a strip club for his nightly fix and I consider that option too, but decide to pursue my prey, and the curly haired brunette, only average attractive but with a skinny body, drags me to the dance floor. We dance and eventually end up on the stage where I am now dancing on show, gyrating to the beat and having a blast… the girls love it and join me. Things get cloudy memory wise at some point and I remember both standing on the dance floor and pointing at girls while wailing Ricky Martin’s “She bangs, she bangs!” and then making out with the brunette in the hallway that leads outside, my hand creeping up her shirt for a grab of tit. I tell her “po-idyom” and we go to get our coats. At this point I am already checking the timeclock to put in my nightly shift of sexual service when suddenly something vaguely resembling the dyev union foreman, or some sort of wannabe KGB political officer shows up… her girlfriend.
Taking a look at her girlfriend’s grumpy face, I realise that my night is suddenly threatened and that I have an acute logistical problem. As we walk to the taxi I try to get them both back to the pad in my patented 2-for-1 option and while the brunette tugs on me and gives me a somewhat confused look and tries to kiss me, her girlfriend tugs her away, argues with her a bit and they both scurry off to a taxi and take off without even looking back, leaving me standing there on the sidewalk.
Curiously, I am only mildly disappointed and this is certainly not the first time I have gotten the last second rejection. I laugh under my breath, mutter “suki” and the taxi driver standing next to me laughs too, giving me a sympathetic shrug of the shoulders.
I decide to walk off my drink a bit and instead of taking a car, walk 5 minutes to the American Bar and Grill on Mayakovskaya, ordering a 4am plate of nachos and water. Honestly, at that moment a plate of nachos and a liter of water were BETTER THAN SEX! I walk the last 10 minutes home, stopping at a 24 hour kiosk to get juice, water and beer. I struggle home and before passing out, check to make sure I still have my passport, cash, both phones, watch and both kidneys. Vsyo normalna. Despite the odds, another wild Moscow night survived.
[QUOTE=GandJim]Price changes daily and depends on which day you want to fly. The closer the date, the more expensive it is. Therefore, you need to book pretty much in advance, and that's why I mentionned flight for Sept-Nov in my post.
I attach a screen cap for price for November (36 euros one way). Very tempted to make a booking for Nov 15-20. Would you be in Moscow at these dates by any chance? :D
For buying tickets, you can do it by internet (best way), by phone (international number) or by going to the airport. For more details click [url=http://www21.germanwings.com/en/meta_hilfe_wie_kann_ich_buchen__.html]here[/url].[/QUOTE]
Thanks, now it's getting more clear.
"Would you be in Moscow at these dates by any chance? :D" - Probably =)) Keep in touch =)
[QUOTE=Excess]Well there you have it gentlemen, we should be ashamed of ourselves: "... men are becoming greedy and rude....."
We must try harder in the future, as I hope in my own case it is only a temporary lapse.
Helena,
I have flown Germanwings a number of times and cities and have been very satisfied with them as per GJ's post - not to/from Moscow though I would add. Very good planes and on-time record when I've flown them.
Your comment on the pricing is correct. The prices are not fixed and fluctuate depending upon ticket demand and length of time before before departure time. You will also find that the price of the ticket can be different on the same day - the more activity for a given flight/date the higher the price or lower in the case of low demand. That's how it works. If you book a flight several months ahead, it can be very very cheap. Internet is the way they use to book tickets. Also take note of the cancellation and change rules that can be very strict.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, so Germanwings are trustworthy. Good news :)
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Well, these girls out by the tochka can be rough.
one girl was forced to do dishes and laundry, no paying.
cops die of starvation waiting.
It's fast food. [/QUOTE]
This place is a god damn fucking paradise!!
I saw her ad again.
If you are MILF hunter…You should hunt her down… She is the most beautiful and shapely mature women, I have ever met in Moscow. (Over all I met 4 mature women; she is even better than many young ones.)
She uses couple of names (keep the real name for myself)… [url]http://www.znakomstva.nu/show.php?id=1140186584&pn=1[/url]
I met her in July. ONE OF THE BBBEEESSSTTT nights ever. She is absolutely much better than her pics. Smoking weed and two bottles of Chilean wine made us hornier. Her incall is in a secure neighborhood, close to one of the Latin American country’s consulates. She likes toys and threesome, she has lots of toys. If you’re a Greek lover, than you’re not gone regret to meet her.
She was in South Africa in my last visit(last month), looking forward to see her again in next time.
i got home from work dead tired last night, and almost decided to call it a night and just crash. however, this being my last night in moscow this trip, i just couldn't relax. a pile of roubles i had left was burning a hole through my pocket. i had to go out.
i started the night at 911 vip at around 11. the selection wasn't the best i've seen there, and there were way too many clients. it literally took 20 minutes for me to say hello to my first stripper. they were all stuck in the circuit. the girls were 7s at best, and actually the hottest girls in the club were waitresses.
by around midnight the club emptied out a bit, and i began to receive some attention. this really hot tall platinum blonde, stage name shakira, sat at my table and we had a nice chat. she did a couple of private dances for me, and while they were a little wooden she was just incredibly hot and i really enjoyed myself.
closer to 1 am i began to see some new talent. not sure if it was a new shift coming in, or the hot girls were done with their sex room clients, but a couple more 8s and 9s began roaming about. then the entire staff got naked and got up on the stage. seeing about 20 naked chicks writhing about in front of you is the sight to behold, especially when they're elevated and you're sitting low. the view is spectacular. the parade was immediately followed by a slow dance, with the girls picking their partners, and still dancing naked. i realized i was way too drunk at that point and i could barely stand, but my blond friend was being very kind, and pretended she actually enjoed it.
and then was my turn to leave. the girl was expecting me to take her home, and was pretty offended that i didn't. i almost regretted it too, but i had other plans, and they worked perfectly.
a short walk down the street was night flight. i hadn't been there once this entire trip, and it's been a while since i had a threesome, so i was going to kill two birds with one stone.
at 1:30 am on a thursday night nf was the busiest i think i've ever seen. mostly men. girl selection was quite poor. i think i saw no more than two girls i could rate at a 7, and absolutely no one above it. i withstood a human wave attack of desperate skanks in need of collagen refills, and then this pro i've already had once before came up and did a perfect sales pitch. (maria from this report: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=355146&postcount=2455[/url]) i told her i was looking for two girls, she quickly produced a friend, and i figured this wasn't getting any better and said ok.
maria was better looking of the two. she's much older than the girls i usually go for. she said she was 31 and might have been; russian women seem to age differently, i was amazed to find out just two days ago that this girl at my office i assumed was in her early 40s was only 33. maria had a knack for over-the-top compliments that kind of turned me off, but she was generally very nice. her friend whose name escapes me would have been all right if she hadn't joined the collaged brigade. she looked to be about the same age as maria, had a nice rack, long legs, and long straight black hair. they were $400 each. i'm sure i could have bargained, but i was in a generous mood.
we got to my place, had some drinks, and then told the girls to take whatever they wanted from my fridge, as i was leaving the next day and didn't need anything. i had several unopened bottle of booze: nice french wine, baileys, martini bianca, some barely opened bottles of jack and some other things, a box of strawberries, a hunk of cheese, etc. that seemed to really inspire the girls, and they proceeded to fuck my brains out. without hesitation i'll say this was the best nf sex i've ever gotten. wasn't even sex per se - i just lay on my back, and the two of them pleasured a bucket load of sperm out of me.
then, i'm sure the frugal forum members will yell at me, i gave them probably one of the biggest tips in nf history. i still had a thick stack of 500 r bills left from the strip club, and i just split it into two piles and gave it to them. i'm not even sure how much it was, but it must have about doubled their earnings. the girls were speechless for a moment; then they grabbed their stuff and flew out of the apartment, probably fearing i was going to sober up and change my mind. i didn't care though. i had a great night, and i was happy. the best thing was, i wouldnt' be leaving moscow feeling bitter that some cleaning lady would get boozed up at my expense. maria and her friend literally cleaned out my fridge.
thursday, february 16th 2006 will remain in the history books forever. generations of nf girls will whisper stories of the perfect client, and i know that even my own future experiences will not measure up to this one.
Hi folks,
I will be visiting Moscow in March and was wondering where I can get good, Tourist friendly fun in this city. Any recommendations?
Please mind that I neither can read or understand russian.
What do you guys recommend in terms of entertainment and girls?
Will there be any problems if I order some to my hotel?
What prices are reasonable (per hour or night)
What is tochka?
Any websites (english) that I can check out?
Regards
Vince,
That's what CA_T told you a few posts before when you wanted to book a tochka girl on the internet:
[i]"vv... I think you may have a misunderstanding of a tochka! A tochka is a line-up near a main street where the girls line up and you choose one. By definition, it would be very difficult to book a tochka girl on the internet."[/i]
This information (as well as the photo) has been posted many times on this board already. Glad you did your homework though. :D
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]I saw her ad again.
She uses couple of names (keep the real name for myself)… [url]http://www.znakomstva.nu/show.php?id=1140186584&pn=1[/url]
[/QUOTE]
Wow.. she is hot. Did you take pics of her? ;-)
Crypton,
In general I don’t like to take pics; I am a bit selfish and lazy. No, I did not take her pics. But I guaranteed that she is way better than her pics.
If you’re gone meet her at her apartment, don’t be afraid of the double security doors and cameras all around the building and apartment. Highly secure apartment, her ex was some sort of mafia and he was in jail(in july)...
I paid $500 for 2 hours long threesome(she has a brunnette girl friend) and 7 hours long solo. She worthed every peny.
She travelled a lot,EU countries, South Africa; she enjoyed talking about those places.
Vince... IF YOU ARE GOING TO RIP OFF A PHOTO THAT I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES on ISG, at least you can give me credit for it! Besides, as I explained, I actually ripped it out of a photo book, but it is the only photo that I am aware of that pictures a tochka. The photo title is "Picking out a Bride".
I do not recommend taking your own photo... at least with a flash! In the summer, you may be able to get a clandestine photo with a small camera.
As far as the pricing that you quoted, it was accurate a year or so ago, but way off for Moscow prices these days. More accurately, the prices are now 3,000 rubles, 4,500 rubles and 6,000 rubles... some even have a 9,000 category. In addition, the mama is not on the street but rather off the street with the girls. The girl on the street is a "beacon" girl who only gives directions. Depending on the night, there may be as many as 50 tochkas in and around Moscow.
Moscow tochkas:
To second Ca_T, expect a minimum charge of $150 (4500 rubles) for anything good, category 6-7. More realistic for a top bride 7-8 is $200 (6000 rubles). You wont find anything above an 8 working tochkas. $100 (3000 rubles) will most likely land a 4-6 category girl, but as always YMMV.
Day of the week, , availability of girls, weather, time of night, location of tochka etc. all effect which kind of girl you get at which price.
And yes, you can take a taxi to a tochka if the driver agrees.
Tochka is even more "hit and miss" than other forms of prostitution. I like tochka because the girls stay all night and are often more GFE than other girls... they just like to hang out in the apartment and have some fun before the morning comes and they have to report in. Sometimes you can get jaded or depressed ones too... they dont lead an easy life and many of them are not in this profession by choice. It is the darker side of prostitution, although I dont want to exaggerate the already over-publicized stories of abuse. It does happen though.
I dont like tochka sometimes because it can be a hassle to find a good girl, sometimes the girls do look a bit "rough" and the prices have really gone up.
With tochka you should also pay close attention to all health and security issues.
[QUOTE=Muratlale4]Hi folks,
I will be visiting Moscow in March and was wondering where I can get good, Tourist friendly fun in this city. Any recommendations?
Please mind that I neither can read or understand russian.
What do you guys recommend in terms of entertainment and girls?
Will there be any problems if I order some to my hotel?
What prices are reasonable (per hour or night)
What is tochka?
Any websites (english) that I can check out?
Regards[/QUOTE]
In some hotels security can charge you about 50$ for taking night guests. Sometimes it happens in Metropol and Mezdunarodnaya. The rest of good Moscow hotels are more or less girls-friendly. In Radisson and Holiday-Inn you'll have to meet the girl downstairs and see her out in the night time, othervise security may try to charge her (it's unlawful, but fact). The easiest are Renessanse, Katerina, Alrosa, Marriotts (all three), National and Sheraton.
And, sure, you need an English-speaking girl =))))))))))))))
Here is the update on the "pending" closure of CF...
It now is said that it will be open until the summer... I am now beginning to agree with those that say it will not close at anytime in the near future!
It’s been discussed several times, why don’t you read the previous posts.
Guys, especially the new ones on Moscow forum; don’t be too lazy. READ THE PREVİOUS POSTS.
Apartment or hotel? Benefits of both preferences.
What is Tochka, CF, NF? And prices?
How to find English speaking girls?
Internet or club girls?
These ones and many others have been explained and answered hundred times. JUST READ IT. You will get all the answers.
Tochka is in the basement of the Pushkin Square McDonalds. Just knock three times on the door and whistle loudly and a scantily-clad perky-breasted employee dressed in red and yellow stripes will lead you into a fantastic erotic world of sensual sexual debauchery... :)
...ever ask yourself why there is no Burger King in Moscow? Now you know...
doc... maybe that is why the Pushkin MickyD's "special sauce" tastes so funny?
Actually BK should have the "tochka" with their motto... "Have it your way!"
[QUOTE=Vincevoyeur]So we prefer taking an apartment in Moscow ;-)[/QUOTE]
Wise decision =)
VV,
I'm not sure I understand. What is the purpose of your post?
Aside from wasting disk space....
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank
McDonalds will lead you into a fantastic erotic world of sex debauchery.
[/QUOTE]
Don't know 'bout no Ronnie Macs, but I'm not so proud to say
I used to fuck a slutty dyev who worked in papa johns, she would
call me to pick her up after work, and boy she always smelled
pretty cheesy, but I couldn't let that stand in the way of what she
wanted. Come to think of it, there was another wanna-be ghetto
bim-bette who graduated from street crawler gang toy to the drive
thru window at fur-burger king, when I saw her, it was a strange
surprise, but I couldn't help feeling some pride as she squirted
my vanilla shake.
I hear you Bez, isnt there something great about banging girls who work in the service industry? I love the thought of other guys ogling my chick in her skin tight polyester trousers, "how may I help you" name tag and size S stretch top.
In Moscow I am often tempted to chat up those poor student type girls who hand out flyers on Tverskaya, or the girls who walk around Pushkin Square in the summer wearing that odd backpack contraption selling hot dogs and pepsi. You know they are struggling... dreaming of white knight on horse who calgon takes them away. What do they make a day doing that, $20? How bought a romantic 2 hours in skankville for $50? Or just a relaxing afternoon of satellite TV, grabass and drinks are on the house? It's almost too easy...
BTW, anybody ever chat up one of those girls that offers horseback rides on Tverskaya? I mean the girls do look a bit too farmish for me, but "giddy up" I say.
Some guys used to brag about offering total strangers money to fuck and being successful with it. This was late 90's. Desperate times call for desperate measures. My attempts to make an indecent proposal usually ended up in a confused slightly hurt look, an abrupt "'bout face" or a hasty retreat... anybody out there in ISG land ever pull this kind of scam off?
I travel on business in the Central Russia. I need to have female interpretor with additional sex responsibilities. I am ready to pay for such girl2 or 3 times more in comparison with good interpetor without sex. In my turn, I can recommend my Moscow interpretor Lena, which provided me with very good and non-expensive additional sex services. She did everything, what I asked her to do. Pls answer me via PM.
Stefano
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]In Moscow I am often tempted to chat up those poor student type girls who hand out flyers on Tverskaya, or the girls who walk around Pushkin Square in the summer wearing that odd backpack contraption selling hot dogs and pepsi.[/QUOTE]
Doc,
My favorites are the ice cream girls. You know, the ones who have those little carts that they push around on wheels, with the dry ice. Little umbrella on top.
I remember last summer, there was one girl in particular that worked a corner not too far from my apt. She was absolutely gorgeous, if a little too young. She couldn't have been more than 16 or 17.
I found myself stopping by her cart every day, if I happened to be in the neighborhood, just to gaze on this lovely creature.
I was sorely tempted to ask her if she would like to suck on my popsicle.
Being the gentleman I am, I refrained. LOL
You keep writing about “Lena”. I contacted her couple of times. Each time she had an excuse. She said she was living with her mother and she has a daytime job. I said OK; let’s meet after work. I was avaliable any time and had a comfortable place to meet. We agreed on to meet but she did not call back. And last time she said according to what she read I was too active and I was a risk for her. Huh
You better stop writing about her and recommend someone else.
[QUOTE=Stefano]I travel on business in the Central Russia. I need to have female interpretor with additional sex responsibilities. I am ready to pay for such girl2 or 3 times more in comparison with good interpetor without sex. In my turn, I can recommend my Moscow interpretor Lena, which provided me with very good and non-expensive additional sex services. She did everything, what I asked her to do. Pls answer me via PM.
Stefano[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Some guys used to brag about offering total strangers money to fuck and being successful with it. This was late 90's. Desperate times call for desperate measures. My attempts to make an indecent proposal usually ended up in a confused slightly hurt look, an abrupt "'bout face" or a hasty retreat... anybody out there in ISG land ever pull this kind of scam off?[/QUOTE]
This prolly belongs in the Kiev forum, but since you've asked I might as well post it here. I just flew in from Kiev a few minutes ago for a one-night stop-over in Moscow on my way back home. In Kiev I went to this restaurant a few times for dinner, a really nice old Russian style type of place. Somehow I'd always end up at the same table, served by the same waitress, and every time I'd be out with a different girl (this whole Kiev trip was pretty much all about me striking out with freebie after freebie). I could see the waitress kind of liked me, and me always being out with somebody new piqued her interest.
So, this afternoon I had about an hour before my taxi would pick me up, I just finished packing, and I figured I'd run out and get a quick bite. This was only about 11:30 in the morning, and I was the only client there. I got my usual table, told the girlie I was in a hurry, quickly ate my borscht and pampushkas. So she asks me, why are you in such a rush. I look at my watch, and go, well, I'm catching a plane in 40 minutes. We look at each other meaningfully, and then I say, want to make 100 bucks the hard way?
Her eyes just about popped out of her skull, and then for a second I think she was about to say yes. But then she misunderstood my beaming smile and just started laughing, and then I just couldn't keep a straight face myself. So nothing came out of it, but I'll definitely go back to that place when I'm back in Kiev in April, and finish the job. I forget the name of the restaurant, but the waitresses there are all cute, and wear the freakiest folk costume uniforms with such revealing t-shirts that you literally get to see the edge of their areolas even when they're standing up. Ooh, that Nadya or whatever her name was, why'd I wait so lond to make my move? The two little moles on her right breast were driving me crazy.
Hi Guys,
I need your help! How do you normaly pay the working girls (WGs) who you take home/hotel from a club in Moscow - before or after the love services. How does it work? Do you pay cash or by CC? If there are any rules or risks?
Thanks a lot for your feedback.
BR,
Gateron
I spent the last 4 days in Moskow for business so I had not so may time this time!
Finally I called a girl to come over to my hotel.
I stayed in the Balshug Kempinsky and I had no problem to bring her into my room!
Her name is Tanya, a 20 year old student and I phoned here via yourfantasy.ru!
Very nice girl and I received a very good FS!
Can recommend her.
C.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]You keep writing about “Lena”. I contacted her couple of times. Each time she had an excuse. She said she was living with her mother and she has a daytime job. I said OK; let’s meet after work. I was avaliable any time and had a comfortable place to meet. We agreed on to meet but she did not call back. And last time she said according to what she read I was too active and I was a risk for her. Huh
You better stop writing about her and recommend someone else.[/QUOTE]
I can translate =))) And I'm also Lena =)))))))
[QUOTE=Gateron White]Hi Guys,
I need your help! How do you normaly pay the working girls (WGs) who you take home/hotel from a club in Moscow - before or after the love services. How does it work? Do you pay cash or by CC? If there are any rules or risks?
Thanks a lot for your feedback.
BR,
Gateron[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend, of course there are risks…
By the way pay the girls in the currency they ask… USD or RUR (usually as advertised or asked). If you go to a Night Club it’s usually USD. If you get a girl from an agency for locals (Russian only) normally it’s RUR. Nobody will ask for Euro.
Paying before or after… it depends. Some of the agencies (when the girls are in constant telephone contact: telling they are arrived, how many hours they will stay, etc.) will ask for a total down payment when the girl is in your room. Others can be paid later or in the morning (specially freebies). There is always and everywhere the risk that they just disappear when you have paid them. With freebies lock your valuables and the door…
Of course keep your CC away! Us it in an ATM but NOT the normal ones you find in shops or in Metro Stations! Use the ones in international hotel lobbies (all have) or Seberbank or Vnetorgbank ones. It is safer… In all this ATM you an usually get RUR or USD in some even Euro.
IT
IT Travel, thanks for your comments, which are generally accurate, but just a couple of comments from my side to clarify a couple of points.
You wrote:
"Others can be paid later or in the morning (specially freebies). There is always and everywhere the risk that they just disappear when you have paid them. With freebies lock your valuables and the door…"
Sometimes I think the term "freebie" is misunderstood... they aren't in any way prostitutes or "on the take"... they are free! You dont pay them anything. They are girls you meet on the street, in the club or wherever... and just like in Europe or America or wherever, you flirt with them, make them feel happy or horny and take them home for a night of free sex...and hopefully give them a night to remember so they will be a repeat customer... :) As for locking your valuables and door, it makes sense if you have just met them, but if you've met them before I dont think you need to be paranoid about it... just naturally cautious and observant...
Regarding pros, curiously enough, the only problems I have ever had with thieving girls was in St.Pete... Moscow girls seem to be more honest... or less desperate. :)
"Nobody will ask for Euro"
This is more or less true in Moscow, in St.Pete they often ask for Euro. In any case, in a bind you can usually pay in whatever currency you choose... they know the exchange rates. To be safe though in Moscow, IT Travel is right, having US and Russian currency is best. I usually pay in RUR and keep a couple of Franklins in reserve. It also does make sense to keep your money in two places.
"Paying pros"
Agencies and tochka want money up front, with CF/NF girls it depends on the girl. I personally dont think it makes much difference in the performance department, but some contend that holding on to the cash until after the act is best... helps getting the girl to "stick around".
"credit cards"
The ATMs are safe in my opinion. I use them fairly often and without incident... knock on wood. To be really safe though, do as IT Travel suggests and use the ones in the major hotels. You cant use credit cards for pros... at least I've never heard of it.
Thanks… freebies
Thanks Dr Skank. But in what it is my (sorry if it is wrong) acceptation of language freebie here is a self standing pro.
So sorry…
For the door I agree totally. It is the reason I often chose the same girls… I have with me a lot of computers cameras etc… I would not like to be drugged… But perhaps I am to cautious…
As perhaps you have red I did not have any problems with girls taking anything. But only being crazy after drinking to fuck me. (By the way I’m not so ugly!)
As you well know some times they are very young.
Just today I was on internet and found a beautiful teen. Finally seventeen. Oh I was wondering. It’s legal in Russia!. But she already has a daughter of 14 months! Best to go elswhere!!!
I agree on CC. But mine has been copied in the early ’90 (in the US too) so I’m always a little bit afraid!!! Not only CC even European bankomat.
I hope I can get you some good pics and addressed for the end of March. I have being planning a sex week in Moscow between March 17th and 24-5th By the way is somebody there?
It would be funny to meet (and take a beer without addictives!) somebody who has fucked heavily Mistery Tramp in Kiev!!
IT
IT:
Dont worry about the translation problem, I can understand how "freebie" could be interpreted as "freelancer".
"Freelancer" IS a semi-pro... a girl who works bars or clubs part-time or without any pimp or agency.
"Freebie" on the other hand is a normal girl, no cash involved, just attraction, passion and affection.
As for Mystery Tramp, she remains one of my all-time favorite pros. I dont know if I ever met a girl that loved to suck cock as much as she did.
[QUOTE=Hedonist]I know that this board is not the best place to look for career advice, but I still want to give it a shot as I couldn't get very far elsewhere. I recently interviewed with a Western bank for a position in Moscow and we are about to start negotiating my compensation package. I have four years of solid management consulting experience and will be joining them at a manager level. Does anybody have any idea about the after-tax expat salaries at comparable mid-level management positions? Any info is greatly appreciated.
Chastlivo![/QUOTE]Hi friend,
I have a Russian friend in Moscow. Well she was working in a western bank (partecipating from Unicredit) not totally managing position and earned about 1100 usd net per month. Now she has the first managing position in a totally russian bank and earn about 3000 USD net per month. IN the first bank more social program
Hope to have been useful
Yes I was mistaking on names…
Ok this should be in Ukraine, Kiev section. But Ok. I'll be in Kiev in May. i'll try to sarch for her (the Mistery Tramp I mean). Just wondering if she still became so wet when fucking.
I found another teen in Moscow in that level making BBBJ and also CIM and COF, which was going on sucking with the mouth full of cum. Then she let the cum go on your cock and masse it by hand up to when you are down! Good technique for a teen! By the way she often are naturally wet when fucking.
She is a well figured girl with fabulous tits (hard as rocks). Unfortunately she is totally against Anal and her nights are on five hours. I have written on her already. But I can put a remainder… The only problem I found is that she is very busy. I’ll try to get her next time.
I post a old picture and a link.. she uses different names like Diana, Alisia, or now Lada etc. But it easy to find her on [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] if you select the age 18. Now she is at [url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=21971[/url] She is even better in person.
BBBJ with CIM and COF is not officially proposed, but she will do it happily for an extra 1000 RUR.
IT
Some good pics too!
I am trying to get ready for a trip to Moscow by the end of march, and I was wondering if there are any places you guys would recommend beside NF and the other (CF?).
Do you guys recomend any software besides Bable Fish?
And how reliable are incalls?
thanks
Does anybody know [url]http://www.call-girls.ru/cgi-bin/cg.pl?id=girls[/url] ?
[QUOTE=Muratlale4]I am trying to get ready for a trip to Moscow by the end of march, and I was wondering if there are any places you guys would recommend beside NF and the other (CF?).[/QUOTE]
Strip clubs, without a doubt. For me it's the best place to find a pro in Moscow nowadays. NF is too cold and mechanical, and CF is a threat to your life and limb. In a strip club you can actually meet relatively normal girls, see all the goods up front, have a conversation with them for as long as you like without being rushed, and end up paying about the same for the whole night as you would for a poker-faced NF quickie.
Just remember, most of the girls at these strip clubs just want your money. Don't spent it on anyone but your intended target, and discuss everything up front like you would with any pro.
My one stop-over night in Moscow last night I went to 911 VIP and actually went home empty-handed. It was a Monday, and I must have hit the Z squad. Ouch. It also looked like 911 is slowly going into the direction of the places like Safari Lodge, and they have non-dancing pros on staff. I was approached by two of those somewhat more aggressively than I'm used to at 911 (i.e. they just sat next to me and began rubbing against me). Both were very cute but I wasn't in the mood for that kind of thing. I really regretted letting one of them go though, she had amazing natural jugs, and this whole month for me has been one skinny girl after another.
Anyway, I chatted up a couple of girls, had some drinks, almost decided to take home this one butterface who was an amazing dancer and really nice to talk to, but then I said fuck it and left. Stopped at NF for a minute, saw nothing I liked, and what's a poor man to do at 2 am on a Monday night, grabbed a taxi and went to a tochka. There I actually struck gold. A really charming tall 20 year old from Donetzk, incredibly well-educated and smart, and a real pleasure to talk to. I almost didn't even want to go to sex, and we just sat there yapping for two hours. I know it's sad, but I've had so much sex lately and so little genuine human contact, I just couldn't get enough. Such a shame a girl like that has to sell her body... Really not tochka material.
I second 109’s comments, but this will be your first trip to Moscow; therefore I advice you to stop by the usual spots like NF and CF; I don't really like it but you may easily find girls at Safari and Oh la la.
If you don’t like pushy girls and want to have fun, first choices are always Rhino and Mister XXX.
I didn’t know what happened to Shandra but that place was a great spot. In my first time, I got laid with a 1.80 strawberry blonde stunner just after we ordered our first drinks.
Moscow is a great place, as long as you have enough cash and know where to find what you are looking.
Since California Traveler is no longer in the apartment-rental business, are there any suggestions for good, reliable services in this market? I am planning a return 10-day trip to Moscow for the first time in decades and don't really want to stay in a hotel. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Aerosol,
I used moscow-comfort.com the last time around, and while the apartments aren't as luxurious as I'd like, the service was excellent. I would recommend it over what moscow-star's become any day.
I guess California Traveler found things were better in the Ukraine. He's promoting his site, [url]http://www.odessaexecutivesuites.com/[/url]
Is Moscow going to the dogs or something?
ILuvIt:
As a veteran of both cities I attest that Moscow is NOT going to the dogs and is better than ever, especially the freebie scene, the strip clubs and salons. NF is the same as ever (and still not my favorite) whereas CF ranges from quite fun to really atrocious, depressing or even dangerous (more than 1 ISG member including me was drugged there). Tochkas seem to be celebrating a comeback, as good reports were given lately.
The point is Odessa has the better weather, has no visa or militia hassles and is at least 30% cheaper. Odessa has less options and less clubs, but is generally a pleasant place to be, especially in the summer.
Moscow is a business travellers destination in a lot of ways, as it can bust the average tourists budget quickly. There are ways to save in Moscow, but in the end it is expensive if you want to have real fun there. I personally find Moscow more interesting than Odessa, but from an objective point of view, Odessa has a lot of advantages for the average monger tourist who has to choose between Moscow, Kiev, Odessa, Prague or whereever for his biannual holiday.
Aerosol Spray:
I still think Moscow-Star is pretty decent, but it all depends on which apartment you get. Moscow-Star has great apartments (usually the ones that Ca_T remonted) and has average ones (Moscow Rick's old stable of apartments). Basically I have been satisfied with Moscow Star, but I only like the apartments on Tverskaya, which are usually the more expensive ones. I hear he has recently added new apartments too.
Doctor_Skank
Thank you for your insight. I was wondering if California Taveler wasn't telling us something that we should know about Moscow. I understand that there are some dangers wherever we go and should keep an eye open.
ILuvIt
Moscow's just too expensive, too hectic, and too unstable. It's great for a tourist to come in and spend some cash on beautiful women - nothing's changed in that respect, except it's more expensive now than it was a few years ago.
CaT just had to live there, and I just don't think Moscow is a great city to live. Maybe his reasons for moving are different, I'm just assuming here. When I go to Moscow I mostly deal with the locals, and after a while the city begins to get to you. I wouldn't want to live there, nor would I recommend anybody else. The sex ain't worth it. Moscow is a shitty city, and Russia is a shitty country becoming shittier every day.
In short, come in, spend your money, screw some gorgeous chicks. As long as you don't get too deep into the everyday life, Moscow is great.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]
"In short, come in, spend your money, screw some gorgeous chicks. As long as you don't get too deep into the everyday life, Moscow is great."
But it's true to every city. There is an old anecdote story about a dead man choosing between hell and paradise. Paradise was too boring with angels and no sinful pleasures, but during the tour to hell the man saw everybody entertaining without a stop, enjoying drugs, alcohol, and of course, fucking beautiful women. So, our smart deadman chose hell. But immediately as he did so, he was placed in a boiler. "It's a froad! - he screamed. - You showed me another picture". And the devil answered: "Tourism is not the same as immigration". No matter where you are, as a tourist on holidays you are happy - it's like a dream, you sit in a nice hotel room, don't work, spend money you saved and feel great. But when it comes to daily life - with all the problems you have to fix... believe me, even for a born Muscovite any (even best in the world) city which is not home will seem terrible. Just because it's like starting life anew, knowing nothing, with no friends, and local entertaiment-friends are also busy - they fix their own problems, have no time for yours. That's life =))
I am a Westerner living in Moscow and, in my opinion, it is far better than any other city I have lived in or traveled to. The one headache, the government. They seem to want to micro-manage and control every single aspect of Russian life.
In terms of livng here, I am not on the all expense paid expat package. I speak Russian and my lifestyle is very close to that of a middle class Russian, with the exception that I can get on the first plane back home if Ivanov is becomes the next president.
Rather than everyone trying to guess what my opinion about Moscow is...
First of all, Moscow is still a monger's paradise... IF you have an expense account or are VERY wealthy or have a cash flow that is like a river! I have never seen a city outside of Asia where sex is more available than Moscow.
That said, when I first moved to Moscow in 2003 I had a ball! My own apartment... my own business... great clients to hang with... prices were expensive, but still affordable. It was like a two-year vacation.
HOWEVER, after a couple of years, I began to wear down... The weather is crap for the most part, winter is harsh and never ends and even the summers have been cool for the past three summers... The pollution is nasty, it turns your teeth yellow, it makes you hack out nasty globs, it makes you constantly tired. I stayed sick for 8 months... The gridlocked traffic is constant... The people's attitude continues to get worse... The militia is always on your mind and you never know who is going to stop you on the street or knock on your door... The visa requirements and registration continue to get more restrictive and a major PITA and every trip through passport control or customs is a risk... On top of all of this, the price of everything continues to go through the roof!
Now, keep in mind that doc travels on his company's dime and 1-0-9 has more money than God, but ALL of my trips to Moscow and my living expenses were out of my pocket!
SO, when I visited Ukraine and Odessa, I immediately noticed the quality of the girls and then the difference in the people's attitude, combined with the great weather, prices less than 40% of Moscow's, no visa or visa registration and... Did I mention the women are absolutely F'n beautiful!
It was an easy decision for me to leave Moscow... I love Odessa, and Kiev, but with everything that is great about it, it does not have the "in-you-face" available sex that is present in Moscow. Many of my friends who used to love Moscow have, after visiting Odessa, decided that they would rather spend their time in Odessa than Moscow.
At this point, when I return to Moscow, I compare everything to Odessa... Personally, I am very happy about my new home... my new business... the weather...
I may visit Moscow in the future, but I would never consider living there again.
Hello friends
I know, i first must read the previous posts, and indeed I am doing it slowly because there are so many...
Anyway, hoping to find a generous (and informed) fellow helping me, my question is: I am going for my very first tiem in Moscow (and Russia) and only for 2 nights and 3 days, i wil stay at Holiday Inn in Lesnaya street,a big hotel in the center, what can I hope to find there? Are there girls in the hotel? next to hotel? which prices? I have also some hours inthe afternoon, but i do not know the city and the language at all....
well, in one word: help me to enjoy the magic Moscow i'd never imagine I could visit a day..
thanks to all
K
k64, there is not much around the HI except the Belarusski train/metro station. You'll need to get back to the Garden Ring for much to happen P4Pwise.
Can't speak about the lobby, I've only walked by it a few times. Read the reports, but generally if you just want a girl, go to NF or CF. If you want a strip club, read all of 109's posts and choose. Personally, I like Safari Lodge because it is close to CF and I can hit both of them quickly.
Have fun.
[QUOTE=Keaton 64]Hello friends
I know, i first must read the previous posts, and indeed I am doing it slowly because there are so many...
Anyway, hoping to find a generous (and informed) fellow helping me, my question is: I am going for my very first tiem in Moscow (and Russia) and only for 2 nights and 3 days, i wil stay at Holiday Inn in Lesnaya street,a big hotel in the center, what can I hope to find there? Are there girls in the hotel? next to hotel? which prices? I have also some hours inthe afternoon, but i do not know the city and the language at all....
well, in one word: help me to enjoy the magic Moscow i'd never imagine I could visit a day..
thanks to all
K[/QUOTE]
Nice hotel, cosy rooms, taugh security, no girls downstairs. Close is Tverskaya street with a lot of entertainments and Red Square in the end. Quite close to you will be Sovietsky hotel with a luxury "Yar" restaurant. If you search some testful russian-style variety show, just go there. The interier and food also great.
K64:
Well your hotel isnt bad, like the girls said it's new but you likely won't find any in-hotel action. Its not in the very center, but is less than a 10 minute cab ride to Red Square, straight shot up Tverskaya street, although you'll have to cross to the other side of the street. Use the underpass. Trust me, you'll know what I mean when you see "the street". It's more like a airport runway.
So what is your plan? What kind of girls you looking for? Escorts? Salons? Take home like NF or CF? Tochka? What's your budget? Do you have to be discreet?
Simply asking "where's the action?" is too vague. Focus grasshopper!
BTW ladies, by tough security do you mean he'll have trouble bringing girls home? Just curious, as most Western hotels are girl-friendly... ok, Holiday Inn is only pseudo-western, but I cant imagine they are as strict as Soviet hotels.
doctor skank and ladies,
first of all thank you, this forum makes people feel never alone. about me. I try to tell more of my "needs".
I need absolutely to be discreet, about budget i read that i can spend much less than the 150 dollars the ladies offered me and it would be great if i could host a girl in my room in Holyday Inn. what i look for? a hot russian lady for enjoy the real taste of Moscow in my fisrt visit.
is it stil vague? if so, i am here, my friends, in yoru hands...
thanks again
K
Well, finally I’m in Moscow! I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
[url]http://fate.com.ua/page/alina13[/url] (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.
Dear friends,
I will soon be in Moscow a couple of times in the next 40 days, so I was trying to plan a little bit “girls meetings”. I was going trough [url]www.omen.ru[/url] both searching normal girls, freebies (thanks Doctor Skank for clarifying), and some kind of pros asking for a “Sponsorship”. Some are on daily basis, some can go weekly some monthly etc.
In my last trip to Moscow I met one of this girls but it was nothing. Too expensive (500 USD for some hours in the afternoon!) and… I felt it was no good in some way. You know mongers sixth sense!
After some weeks of searching (with my poor Russian) I found a lot of willing girls. And now I have several meetings planned (at least with three girls… one 22 one 20 and one 18, this last with incredible tits). I will see if the show up. By the way notice that I was trying to get the most “normal” girls not with studio photo (many are surely fake), and not giving their phone number easily. For the teen it took neatly two weeks for making a deal!
Searching I even had contacts (and planned a meeting) with two, not really teens, around late twenties, for taking them to a (cheap) vacation… in April or May (a village in Antalya or something like that: all inclusive, even flight, for three in a suite for approx 2.500 USD, for three of course). Three in bed for a week! By the way I did not yet understand if they are lesbian or bisexuals and what I can get out of them; sexually I mean!
I wonder if some of you have already experienced this “sponsorship”. It seems to me, making a complex thing simpler, the same difference between taking a taxi and renting a car. ;-)
If somebody has other internet addresses for this kind of services, or telephone or mail or ICQ of “normal” girls liking to be sponsored a PM will be really appreciated.
I will write when I’m back home, with some things of how these sponsorship has gone. I will also post the girls pictures, no privacy problems because the one I will post are already (with clear face picture) on Internet.
IT
IT,
The season will start on late May or June.
Antalya will be definately hotter than Moscow but April is still to early.
Of course it's your call, have fun....
AJ
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]IT,
The season will start on late May or June.
Antalya will be definately hotter than Moscow but April is still to early.
Of course it's your call, have fun....
AJ[/QUOTE]
I know well, but for a Russian 15-20 (plus) is very warm!!!!
There is another thing I do not want that it is to hot, otherwise they will be always out.. so we can sit in the suite, eating friut and drinking wine...
I'll surely need a special delivery ov Viagra!
You do not have other infos on sponsorship sites?
IT
Here's something you gotta understand about the sponsorship. These girls are, for all intents and purposes, pros. They're just more selective about their clientelle, and usually more expensive than your average NF-type girls. Very few are actually interested in finding a single guy, and receiving the paltry $3,000 / month or whatever it is they quote. If you're not careful, they'll take you for a ride for all you've got, and you'll get nothing but a few rounds of sex in return.
As I have a very good insight into the mindset, here's what their MO is. They sit around and look for suitable candidates on the internet, trying to gauge their financial ability and gullibility. More often than not, if they're not meeting you right away but continuing to talk, it simply means their schedules are booked for now, and they're keeping you for after they say goodbye to their current mark. Once they meet you, they hope to be taken around town on your dime, and maybe get a little present or two - a nice bag, a pair of shoes, a watch, etc. Then they get some cash for some sex, or maybe not even that if you're a complete dolt; and after that they'll usually switch to the next prospect.
This is a business with an established process. The word gets around, girls talk to each other, rumors float, they all hear about this idiot or the other who gave some girl a Cartier watch and she didn't even fuck him, a billionaire who bought some girl an apartment and a Beamer, and so on. That's what these girls are looking for.
So, keep all that in mind. Be careful. There's a lot more deceit going on than with your freebies, or with your regular pros. Whatever you do, don't spend a lot of cash on these girls, and don't buy them things. Remember, the whole thing is nothing but a prolonged sales process - you've got the money, she's got the goods, and you're trying to agree on the compensation package. Be smart. Don't delude yourself, and don't get taken for a ride.
I agree completely with what you are saying…
I just tried a different way. If I can get laid for some nights at the same price… who cares? No hassle no chasing… even if I buy her some fine Italian underwear, a dinner, and a drink, it will be not more than 80 €. It what I’m spending to get to NF and a lot of drinks and taxi..
I’ll try, and see what happens. I know well what’s happening there and I already found girls asking for 500 y.e. (for saying it in Russian) for a couple of hours… I’m not that type. But I want to try and see myself. I do not think it is risky!
I had in the last weeks (I do not live in Moscow) a lot of contacts. Specially three/four interesting. If it is overpriced I’ll turn to regulars I have some numbers (you can see pics in pic. section). No problem at all!
In any case your suggestion is very welcome!
Thanks 109!
By the way if you have some interesting pro giving CIM… make me a PM! Since some years they are less..
Thanks
IT
Sorry my last e-mail was not complete…
For speaking on the two girls for vacation (never met) my conditions are obvious: some meetings in Moscow BEFORE. All six holes included, and I’m not speaking on golf! Should be nine at least!
Of course you can get a problem. When you are on holiday in the location.
But this is up to you character… I should just (as I did with a Tatar girl see my report) throw them out of the door (i.e. flight tickets in the toilet). I am not afraid for this. I do not think, if you are really open and transparent, that this is a problem with Russian girls. Of course problems can happen (drunk etc…).
I’ll like to try.
Verify if it is as I suppose (no evidence, clear!) pros are like taxis, here you are renting a car (of course you have to fuel it too, not only with cum!).
IT
PS
CIM girls in Moscow (tested) are still welcome. I only know two, and I would like to change.
I will brief all you when I'm back...
Congrats 109 ... really a proper sermon ..why are men so stupid not to understand it straight!
Great Words of wisdom, However, Our life is sometimes so unpredictable or choatic..that our best plans and safer methods would not work..in the situations that we would be in....
I don't think we control more than 50 percent of our lifes and the rest is controlled by say whatever "external forces" "god" "mother nature" .
We could not be sure what we are going to do is right or wroung, untill the external forces take the judgement...
I think it would be unnecesary, to think soo much about one plans to do somthing which is good or bad.....or anything..as we do not have control of our life 100 percent...
Its crazy...but i allowed sometimes to be fooled by a pro or a freebie..just to see the length of ways that would go on to fool or out-smart a customer...yeah...i get quite bored of sex some time and would like to feel the neccesities of women :)...to do what i would not...or what makes them think cheat a customer for few extra bucks...
Believe me its nothing...sometimes they just can't get rid of there illusory feeling of winning a deal from the customers or its just a feeling of making that extra 100 bucks out of nothing....or at best its just the way it is...
Think of it..if you dare to go beyond ....even if they fool 100 ISG guys for 100 bucks each....it won't make any difference to there life's......they would at the most eat at a good restaurent. ..buy a good shoe or dress..or send few extra dollar to there home ...in short..they spend there money here and there..they do not have any long term or constructive plans with that money...in my opinion they are just incapable of doing anything with the money they cheat ....thats it...
They would never will or im yet to hear a pro or a freebie ....thinking about long term goals or investing in a stock market or making a ***** fund pool or something for there future...with the cheated money.....or with anything....
They are most of the time thinking about today than tommarow...They just dream of a good time..but don't know how to get it ....so they just being impulsive or out of compulsity or desire...go for cheating...or whatever....
But ultimately what i found was, it did not made much of a difference to me or to the girls who cheated me ....i see them on the same site, same location ..same everything about them...wonder..were all there cheating skills took them...
After going through this drill of sort of analysing women on there cheating skills ...or making me feel that. i being outdone or simply i lost it out or i could have being more smarter or anything that would make me more proud of my smartness. i have reached a point where......
im now quite happy with the way it is....im not taking things too seriously about getting cheated by a women for not being so causious....guys believe me in this....if you free your mind from the feeling that you are getting cheated or whatever....i assure you ...that your sexual intensity will be 1000 percent more than it is right now....you will feel like you are blessed with sex or something..yeahh...it would be true bliss of sort...
Now i see women in different light, lets she cheats me or not .....I GIVE A DAMM !! ....as i now know fully well ....she and me .....ain't going no were ...lets she be the smart ass and i be the dumb ass....i get what i want and no one's gonna stop me and thats SEX.....
I am very sorry to all of you…
I perhaps, not voluntarily, started a polemic on sponsorship….
My objective is just renting long term girls for sex, sex, sex and truly some nice GFE…
I have no idea of what other’s experiences are… surely I am not sending money by Western Union or getting them to expensive shops…
Of course I will get something. i.e. for one girl I brought a very sexy lingerie all coordinated with stockings. Black and Silver (with her black hair and light eyes it will be interesting to see) but it was up to 48 €! An I have rented her for a complete weekend. From Friday afternoon to Monday noon. I hope that my extra cost will be mostly on Viagra.
I just see (my vision of course!) sponsorship like a different way of getting a pro in the bed for making sex. Of course I think they are “b i t c h e s” like one for sale by hour… They just have less customer.
I agree totally when you all say that often thy find dumb men sending money etc. etc. Same in Thailand I have red. But It is the same to go to a night club or a strip club and put 200-300 € for a girl. With the same amount of money you can fuck one all the night!
This is just my opinion. But of course My be I am wrong and these girls are there just for getting you shopping and shopping and restaurant and restaurant… They will be fired immediately, but not before a heavy anal treatment!
I am just try to joke with sexy girls… I do not want to take this questions to seriously. The girl I have rented is at, for the weekend, 700 USD (three nights, two days, and Monday morning). It’s not more than the normal 200/300 tariff… If I spend a couple of franklins in bars etc. no problem!
IT
I always like reading what you have to say 109. Girls who say I am a non pro who takes money for sex always makes me chuckle. Of course there is a difference between a girl who spends every night at the local disco/p4p pickup place and a girl turning one or two tricks a month for rent/food. That is why we have pro and semi pro.
Here is just a general note to all you US citizens looking to relive the young glory sex days of your life. Or experience some things you never got to in your life - You do realize you can find a US college cutie to sponsor for around 1-4k/month. Of course this might be easier in college cities like Boston or NYC but that is where I spend most of my time. So you could actually find yourself in a bit of a paradox. Why go to Moscow and deal with a hardened pro when you can stay in the US with a 18-20 year old college cutie. ;)
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Here's something you gotta understand about the sponsorship. These girls are, for all intents and purposes, pros. They're just more selective about their clientelle, and usually more expensive than your average NF-type girls. Very few are actually interested in finding a single guy, and receiving the paltry $3,000 / month or whatever it is they quote. If you're not careful, they'll take you for a ride for all you've got, and you'll get nothing but a few rounds of sex in return.
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So, keep all that in mind. Be careful. There's a lot more deceit going on than with your freebies, or with your regular pros. Whatever you do, don't spend a lot of cash on these girls, and don't buy them things. Remember, the whole thing is nothing but a prolonged sales process - you've got the money, she's got the goods, and you're trying to agree on the compensation package. Be smart. Don't delude yourself, and don't get taken for a ride.[/QUOTE]
Watch out for this spam.
"Hot Thursday
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Well, finally I’m in Kiev. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
[url]http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom[/url] (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend."
[QUOTE=Johnie White]Well, finally I’m in Moscow! I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
[url]http://fate.com.ua/page/alina13[/url] (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.[/QUOTE]
I am very sorry but in Your link I can just see a pic of a girl (changing every time i click)...
Is it a pay site as I suppose?
IT
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Watch out for this spam.
"Hot Thursday
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Well, finally I’m in Kiev. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
[url]http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom[/url] (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend."[/QUOTE]
The link and content are not mine. Sorry for the confusion. I am just pointing out that some person posted the same message on the Kiev and Moscow board - obviously not up to any good.
I am shocked, shocked to find that spamming is going on here!
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Hello everybody,
I have a view questions for my trip to Moscow end of April 2006.
First of all I have seen lot's of information on Tochka locations and apartments but what would be the best choice? What I am looking for is an apartment (With no hassle from the owner/operator to bring girls and trouble with the neighbors concerning noise) and close to a Tochka Line-up. I prefer within walking distance so I would not have to bother with taxis. If combined the apartment and Tochka close together and maybe a good bar in the neighborhood my trip will be super.
Does anybody have experience with the apartments from Rick [url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url]
Many thanks for the info.
Chris
[QUOTE=Chris Coop]Does anybody have experience with the apartments from Rick [url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url]
Chris[/QUOTE]Yes, I do have experience with this, I've stayed in his apartments 4 or 5 times last year. It always worked out well, and Rick is it seems reliable, but if you don't have nerves of steel, I would look elsewhere. (Friends, please correct me if something has changed this year)
The reason is that Rick's communication is like a black hole. I've usually received information after mailing twice and calling three times. He's always had an apartment for me waiting, but he made me believe that he was working for two weeks throwing out other guests to make room for me in the very last second, if you know what I mean.
Twice I had him arrange visa for me. Big mistake. I've received the necessary papers so late that I had to go for an overnight application to be in time for my trip.
You might ask why did I do it a second time. Well, he was on a short holiday the first time and I thought that his office didn't care while he was gone. Now I know that his office was (used to be - there were changes) more effective than the man himself.
The real reason I used his service quite a few times was that most of his old apartments were just 5 minutes on foot from my office - and that's great if you know Moscow traffic. These old apartments are not so nice, but good quality by Russian standards. The new apartments (the ones he took over from CAT) are much better looking and usually are a better starting point for nights out.
So to sum up. I would recommend going for Rick if you really don't mind getting last-minute information - as I said: in my case in the end it always worked out.
Chris,
You may have read the forum a lot but you did seem to miss the point that tochkas are mobile and dont often stay in the same place for long. So getting an apartment anyway within the garden ring is fine... I've walked to tochkas before too, but generally you will have to take a taxi. Taxi is almost unavoidable in Moscow if you want to see much.
As for Rick's apartments, they are ok. Every apartment is girl-friendly, noise is never a problem.
Hi Guys,
I am chatting to many girls on line in Moscow and have many web sites for pro action, my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I would probably (for safety reasons) stay in a hotel as opposed to an apartment.
The horror stories I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed.
What can you guys on the ground, tell me about this situation and how dangerous is it for a sole tourist to travel there for a few weeks?
Thanks in advance for your help and any contributions on the subject as this is the only area of my trip I need to fully understand before I book it.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Chris,
You may have read the forum a lot but you did seem to miss the point that tochkas are mobile and dont often stay in the same place for long. So getting an apartment anyway within the garden ring is fine... I've walked to tochkas before too, but generally you will have to take a taxi. Taxi is almost unavoidable in Moscow if you want to see much.
As for Rick's apartments, they are ok. Every apartment is girl-friendly, noise is never a problem.[/QUOTE]
I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions. The cleaning of the apartments could be as well better. It can happen that you arrive in an uncleaned apartment and the bed is not done. His apartments are quiet expensive compared to several competitors.
Hi guys!
I am going to Moscow in April and thinking about using girls from Sweet dreems website advertised here by Victoria 2000.
I liked pictures of several girls(Oksana,Marina,Nastia) there and according to Victoria prices are reasonable so I wander if you have experience with her girls?
Is prices quoted correctly? Is those girls as pretty as on their website pictures?
I checked russian website sexrtalk.ru where you ca search any posts about certain phone # and there is no information about sweet-dreems girls.
Lover
Hi Lover
I talked to Victoria2000 in Oct + Nov 2005.
She was very helpful to a non-Russian speaker.
Lena and Elaina were very pretty and were a GFE treat.
Prices are fair and girls very friendly.
Say Hi for me!
Marsh908
[QUOTE=Cicciolino]I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions. The cleaning of the apartments could be as well better. It can happen that you arrive in an uncleaned apartment and the bed is not done. His apartments are quiet expensive compared to several competitors.[/QUOTE]I beg to differ on the comments by Cicciolino. I reserved my apartment with Rick nearly two months in advance knowing that since the demolition of the Rossia Hotel (2000 rooms) being offset only by a Ritz-Carlton, was going to up the demand side of the pricing curve up. Just as I predicted, the hotel rates have all gone up another $100-150 per night. At the same time, I knew that apartments were going to be over booked.
Even with a 2 mos advance notice, Rick had to scramble around to find me one in a location I wanted. But he got me one at $170 per night (for a week's stay). Compare that with $550-650/night at the Marriott, Hyatt or Meridien or no room at all elsewhere.
He seems to have a new crew (drivers, assistants) that seem more dependable and the apartments are always clean and functional, with all minimum items (coffee, tea, sugar, salt, pepper and cooking utensils) supplied.
I would continue to recommend Rick's Apartments as a alternative in Moscow, understanding that you can't expect US level services in Moscow, its all relative and you can do a lot worse.
I think moscow wolf pretty much nailed it...
Rick is always so busy, as he will tell you himself... about working 20 hour days, as he is on his way to play basketball or partake of a local punch, and how he is doing you a big favor by renting you an apartment... That said, he does have about the largest assortment of apartments in Moscow and he does speak English. He's raised the prices about 50% in the last year, but who can blame him the way it is in Moscow these days.
I recommend that you try [url]www.moscow-comfort.com[/url]. It is owned by Sveta, ex of Moscow Star, who is very efficient and cute. She doesn't have many apartments and I am told they are booked up all of the time but it may be worth a shot. I've never stayed there, but I have confidence in Sveta.
If you have to stay in one of rick's places, I suggest that you tell him that you want one of the old MSP apartments. Then, insist on some major refund if he has to move you for ANY reason.
Blastoff:
"...my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I... I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed."
Maybe in Chechnya, but not in Moscow. There are no mafia problems to worry about. The only problems with apartments are:
a) you must get your visa registered
b) you should get a centrally located apt
c) the cleanliness standard of some apartments isnt on par with a hotel
d) many apartments have lousy plumbing/water pressure
If you aren't EE experienced, apartments may not be right for you. Some apts are just great, most are average and a lot suck as well.
Western hotels are fine for pro action. Russian hotels are not. I chose apartments because they are cheaper and are better when have your freebie regular girlfriends over.
Cicciolino:
"I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions..."
My experience wasnt as bad as yours, but it is true that he is a bit expensive and you should DEFINITELY book off of the [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] site and not the [url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url] site. The apartments on the moscow-star site are the better apartments. He operates both sites. All his apartments have internet access though, which I consider a big advantage.
Blastoff... You really have it nailed... MAN, I just barely made it out of Moscow alive. The worst thing is having that mafia thug trying to keep up with me everyday for two years... Sometimes I even had to slow down so he could catch up. The worst thing is when I'd go to a tochka and feel like I "had" to get him a girl too! Man, what a hassle... Then, going to clubs... No wonder everything is so damn expensive in Moscow... You have to pay for your "tail" then you had to try to find something for yourself!
In fact, it got so bad that I actually got a separate ATM card just to give to them... that way I didn't have to mess with calling my broker, what with the time change and all, and getting her out of bed in California to sell off some pork bellies just so I could be released in time to catch Larry King on CNN. What a hassle. The personal ATM worked out quite well though and they really don't abuse it too much and I always make sure that it never runs dry so they don't hassle me like they did a few months ago to the poor guy in line at First! They wouldn't let him in... apparently it had something to do with the fact that his mafia tail wasn't dressed appropriately, but who knows!
Seriously... BO, please re-read your post! Does it sound like a fantasy? Go to the Moscow Times and read a few issues. Do you think they are hiding the fact that there are thousands of tourists and businessmen being kidnapped and tortured for cash? Believe me, the mafia has much better and more profitable ways to make money than to try to shake down some guy coming to Moscow to see the dead guy and get laid! NOW, if you go to Spb, it is a different story, but it's not the mafia it is the militia and gangs. Be careful in Spb every minute of the day.
BUT, if you don't want to screw with the militia, visas, etc, just go to Ukraine. In fact, any multiple week visit to the FSU, should include Ukraine because you'll immediately see the difference in the attitude of people and every thing costs a lot less.
In any case, don't worry about safety, just don't be a stupid jerk and do something dumb... find a wingman if you can and all will be OK. Apartments are fine if you can find one in the center, and never rent one outside the center, all of my comments are not valid very far outside of the brown circle line of the metro.
Many thanks for the info.
I have mongered in many of the poorest 3rd world countries so I think that a lousy apartment in Moscow will be a luxury next to a grass hut in a remote island off the Philippines but thanks for the advice on the mafia. I thought is was a lot more serious than that. Are you suggesting that moving around Moscow will be no more dangerous for a white tourist than say moving around New York? I am very interested to hear your feed back and thanks again.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff:
"...my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I... I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed."
Maybe in Chechnya, but not in Moscow. There are no mafia problems to worry about. The only problems with apartments are:
a) you must get your visa registered
b) you should get a centrally located apt
c) the cleanliness standard of some apartments isnt on par with a hotel
d) many apartments have lousy plumbing/water pressure
If you aren't EE experienced, apartments may not be right for you. Some apts are just great, most are average and a lot suck as well.
Western hotels are fine for pro action. Russian hotels are not. I chose apartments because they are cheaper and are better when have your freebie regular girlfriends over.
Cicciolino:
"I cannot recommend Rick's apartments at all. Rick has such a big chaos in everything that you have to contact him by email and telephone ten times before getting an apartment. His apartments are mostly older and in bad conditions..."
My experience wasnt as bad as yours, but it is true that he is a bit expensive and you should DEFINITELY book off of the [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] site and not the [url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url] site. The apartments on the moscow-star site are the better apartments. He operates both sites. All his apartments have internet access though, which I consider a big advantage.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]Blastoff... You really have it nailed... MAN, I just barely made it out of Moscow alive. The worst thing is having that mafia thug trying to keep up with me everyday for two years... Sometimes I even had to slow down so he could catch up. The worst thing is when I'd go to a tochka and feel like I "had" to get him a girl too! Man, what a hassle... Then, going to clubs... No wonder everything is so damn expensive in Moscow... You have to pay for your "tail" then you had to try to find something for yourself!
In fact, it got so bad that I actually got a separate ATM card just to give to them... that way I didn't have to mess with calling my broker, what with the time change and all, and getting her out of bed in California to sell off some pork bellies just so I could be released in time to catch Larry King on CNN. What a hassle. The personal ATM worked out quite well though and they really don't abuse it too much and I always make sure that it never runs dry so they don't hassle me like they did a few months ago to the poor guy in line at First! They wouldn't let him in... apparently it had something to do with the fact that his mafia tail wasn't dressed appropriately, but who knows!
Seriously... BO, please re-read your post! Does it sound like a fantasy? Go to the Moscow Times and read a few issues. Do you think they are hiding the fact that there are thousands of tourists and businessmen being kidnapped and tortured for cash? Believe me, the mafia has much better and more profitable ways to make money than to try to shake down some guy coming to Moscow to see the dead guy and get laid! NOW, if you go to Spb, it is a different story, but it's not the mafia it is the militia and gangs. Be careful in Spb every minute of the day.
BUT, if you don't want to screw with the militia, visas, etc, just go to Ukraine. In fact, any multiple week visit to the FSU, should include Ukraine because you'll immediately see the difference in the attitude of people and every thing costs a lot less.
In any case, don't worry about safety, just don't be a stupid jerk and do something dumb... find a wingman if you can and all will be OK. Apartments are fine if you can find one in the center, and never rent one outside the center, all of my comments are not valid very far outside of the brown circle line of the metro.[/QUOTE]
Nice. Thanks for the ribbing and the advice. I asked earlier and I will ask again, can getting around in Moscow safety wise be compared to getting around New York City in your opinion?
Blastoff:
Moscow is as safe as New York, especially if you are white. It's only dangerous if you are in the distant suburbs, drunk or behaving in a stupid fashion.
You should take normal "big city" cautions, such as avoiding be drunk alone, avoiding walking late at night (take a cab) etc. etc.
One monger-related hazard seems to be drugged drinks at CF (Boarhouse), a popular pick up bar. I have been drugged there before, as has a colleague of mine... after talking to the girls they reported that it is fairly common. So if you go there, watch your drink. Same goes if you take a girl home, make sure you keep an eye on your drink.
Of course things can happen in Moscow and occasionally do, but it isnt something to be paranoid about.
BO... Actually I was just going to write to tell you that after consideration, I have been held hostage several times... usually by two girls, in all cases both were pack'n and I noticed they both had a couple of bullets displayed for most of the night! On top of it all, they did demand money the next day. I guess at the time, I didn't realize that they were connected, even though I did every thing I could throughout the night to stay connected with them, they kept submitting me to all kinds of torture throughout the night. I remember screaming a few times, but I've lost most of my memories of exactly what they were doing could have involved my genitals, but I don't think there were any electric cords attached! I guess I'm going to have to be more aware of my situation! :)
Actually it is usually easier to get around Moscow than NYC in many cases. Cheaper and even if you don't speak English it is probably no worse than trying to communicate with some of the cabbies in NYC. I suggest having your destination and return written in Russian. On top of that, I usually try to find the closest metro statiion and ask for that, then I walk to my final destination.
Enjoy your trip...
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Hi Guys,
I am chatting to many girls on line in Moscow and have many web sites for pro action, my only real concern is the Russian Mafia. I do not speak Russian and am thinking of travelling there alone. I would probably (for safety reasons) stay in a hotel as opposed to an apartment.
The horror stories I am hearing is that the Mafia has people reporting the arrival and movements of tourists from the time they arrive at the airport till they leave. I hear that tourists are often kidnapped and tortured and extorted for money, some times for weeks as they are forced to sell their homes and transfer the money to the gangsters account before they are released or killed.
What can you guys on the ground, tell me about this situation and how dangerous is it for a sole tourist to travel there for a few weeks?
Thanks in advance for your help and any contributions on the subject as this is the only area of my trip I need to fully understand before I book it.[/QUOTE]
Dear Blastoff,
all these terrible stopies were true 10-15 years ago. Now mafia guys grew up and more interested in oil, gas and banking instead of poor tourists and working girls. So, relax and have fun! Nobody will touch you if you not ask. And most of girls here (I just don't know about tochkas) are not involved in crime.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]... you should DEFINITELY book off of the [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] site and not the [url]www.enjoymoscow.com[/url] site.[/QUOTE]
Well, I did tried to book from the moscow-star site last year, after Rick has taken it over from CA_T. Apart from an automatic email saying that they received my booking and will come back to me within 48hrs, I never heard from them again. I sent them reminders after reminders, and lost 10 days. Had to find another site which can rent me an apartment and send me an invitation letter in a hurry.
Needless to say, I fully agree with Cicciolino and certainly won't use Rick's services in the future. Even if his apartments are all booked already and he doesn't need my business, he could have the courtesy to reply to my emails and not leave me sitting there waiting and wasting my time.
GJ,
I had the same problem with writing to Rick at Moscow-Star. It wasn't until I started writing to him at enjoymosow.com that I finally received a reply.
It seems as if Rick doesn't read the emails at Moscow-Star, just at enjoymoscow.
I think what Doc means is that you should select and book your apartment from those listed on Moscow-Star. They are better located and in better condition than those listed on enjoymoscow.com.
But, in order to book those Moscow-Star apartments, you have to write to Rick at enjoymoscow.com.
I think Rick has been in Russia too long, he thinks just like a Russian! LOL
Strav:
Yes, it seems that Rick has been Russified... he always replied to my mails within 24 hours as I WAS a regular customer, so maybe he prioritized. Not really sound business practice from a service-oriented US point of view, but for Russians completely normal.
Ca_T:
As for Sveta, she practices Russian "beezness" as well. I actually had an apartment booked from her and she cancelled at the last second claiming a technical problem. I booked through someone else and then on that trip met another monger who was staying in that same apartment I had originally booked from Sveta... so I had been dumped for him since he was staying longer than I. So Russia is Russia. Its exactly the same in Kiev, where bait and switch is not only a regular practice with internet girls, but with apts as well.
Thanks for your advices on the Mafia situation in Moscow. I feel more confident with my trip now.
Can you guys explain more to me about the "Tochcas" please. I saw a photo of about 20 girls in a semi circle with a car head lights shining on them on this site but don't fully understand how it works and how I can meet up with the organises of these "Tochcas" so I can meet these girls.
Tochka:
Tochka means "point" and is essentially Moscow's form of street prostitution. The tochkas (actually tochki) are organised by the mafia (there's your mafia if you are really looking for it) and are conducted nightly from about dusk til dawn. There can be numerous tochkas all over the city, anywhere from the outskirts to the center.
For example, you will usually find tochkas on Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. They aren't confined to a single place and can often be in the same place for a few days or weeks, or move nightly. There is no way you can just "go to a tochka" that is at a particular place. You will have to take a taxi.
Finding tochkas:
Take a taxi as stated above. The best time to look is after about 9pm, that's when most girls show up for duty. When you flag down a taxi, ask him to take you to a tochka. Either he will say ok and try and drive you around until he finds one, or he will refuse and drive away. Some people dont want to take you there because of the danger of the police stopping them. The police often hang around known tochka areas hoping to stop your car and get a bribe. Before you go on a tochka tour, make sure your docs are in order, including your visa registration. Some drivers, particularly older ones, may be offended by your request or simply not know what you mean or where to go. If you cant find a taxi, you may pick up a taxi in front of CF (Boarhouse), which is across from Kursky train station. The drivers there will charge you more, but they will also know where to go.
The driver will drive on the road to those areas where he thinks he might find a tochka, usually the areas I mentioned above, Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. There he will see a woman standing along side the road seeking eye contact with drivers. She is the "beacon girl". He will stop in front of her and she will tell him which way to drive to find the tochka. Usually it is in a back alley or side street near her. Then the driver will drive to the area and you will see a mamachka (madam who organises the girls) and probably some other customers. Often there will be a few vans parked nearby in which the girls wait for customers. In the summer the girls may be milling about outside.
Viewing the menu:
Once there, you will have to talk to the mamachka. It definitely helps to speak at least basic Russian, don't expect her to speak English. She will tell you the prices at that particular tochka and ask you which girls you want to see. The prices may be in rubles or dollars.
Lately the prices are as follows:
$100 (3000 rubles): entry level girls, usually pretty skanky, 4-6 in quality
$150 (4500 rubles): mid-level girls, 6-7 in quality, occasional gems
$200 (6000 rubles): so-called top girls, 6-8 in quality
Sometimes there are $80 (2500 rubles) categories (really skanky) or even $250 (7500 rubles) categories.
Price for a particular girl may vary depending on time of day and particularly day of the week. For example a $100 girl may go for $150 on a Saturday night or a $200 girl for $150 on a Monday night etc. Generally Monday-Wednesday are my favorite nights in terms of price and selection, since there is less competition.
After you tell the mamachka which category you want, she will yell out loud "$100" or "4500 rubles" or whatever and the girls will line up in front of the car.
The size of the tochka also varies, from 1 girl to 50. On average there are about 10 girls in each category.
After making your selection, you pay the mamachka, wait for your girl to arrive and leave.
You should select wisely and pay attention to details. Of course it is at night, but try to get a look at her body (she will open her coat if you tell her to do so), look at her teeth or whatever. If nothing is available, you may go to another tochka.
Driving to the apartment or hotel:
This is the "fun part", as the police do prowl the streets looking to stop cars with tochka girls and their customers. Some tochkas are in cahoots with the police and may set you up. If you are stopped, remain calm. You are in no physical danger. It is all about a bribe. They will examine your docs and if all is ok leave you alone. They will probably find a problem with her docs, as she is probably not from Moscow and may not even be Russian, instead being from Ukraine, Moldava or Belarus. If they take her back to the squad car or say she must go to station you can either let her go (and lose your money) or bribe the cops. It should cost between ($20-50) 500-1500 rubles "straff".
If you make it back to the hotel or apartment ok (90% of the time you will not be stopped) you are home free.
Paying the taxi:
The taxi should get between 500-700 rubles for his services, depending on the length of your tour and how many tochkas were visited.
The deal:
The girl is yours until about 8am the next day, as much sex as you want or can handle. Normally they will kiss and give great GFE. Anal is an option, but up to her. Money talks.
The damage:
At this point you may be asking yourself "why tochka??" as it can be an expensive endeavour:
Assuming you choose a mid-level girl:
$150: the girl
$25: the taxi
$25: possible militia bribe
$10: tip for girl
You are already at $210 dollars, which will also buy you sex elsewhere.
So "Why tochka"?
First of all, its an adventure you'll never forget. Anyone who has done it admits that the whole process can be fun... driving around the city, dirty back alleys, the element of danger, the mafia, the cops, the "skankiness".
Second of all, you get the girl all-night. She is in many ways at your mercy. Generally speaking, they do everything and if you are both nice and "demanding", you will get all you want.
Third, the girls. They are often pretty common girls, very basic, but fun and suprisingly sweet. Some of my all time favorites are from the tochka.
"Why not tochka"
Tochka girls are almost the lowest on the pro sex food chain, besides the "vodka *****s" down by the Kievsky Voksal. Some are forced into the trade, many don't really enjoy their work, the can be desperate. You should always take care of all health issues and be careful. These girls never get to chose whom they fuck. Sometimes they get beaten or sold out to groups of men. It is the gateway to a darker side of the sex trade in Russia and one you may or may not want to enter. I personally never got past the gate and dont want to. I've almost always enjoyed my tochka girls, but do realize that even as nice as I might have been to them, their lives are hardly full of sunshine and happiness. Many save the meagre earnings from their work and send it home to mama or papa.. or to their boyfriends. They earn about 35% of what you paid the mamachka. Some of them are forced to stay in Moscow to "earn off" the price it took to get them there from Moldava or Belarus. Many are treated as "goods". They usually live together with other girls in Moscow's suburbs. There are of course many independent "regular" girls working tochka as well, but you never know what you are going to get and never know what the girl's past, future or fate holds.
That's the tochka story, a Moscow institution.
Strav & Doc,
Even the Russians replied to my emails, and the agency I contacted after Rick's problem sorted out my visa invitation within 24hrs, then gave me the apartment I booked (which is a surprise because, as Strav said, I never got the one I booked in Ukraine). But we can close the debate here....
Blastoff,
Just do a search for "Tochka", there are tons of posts on that already (in particular by CA_T when he originally posted the picture you refer to ;)). You'll need a car and to speak Russian in the first place and, reading your previous posts and your concern about safety and mafia, I don't think you should go to a tochka. There are plenty of other opportunities in Moscow.
Jim
[i][u]Edited[/u]: Didn't see that Doc has posted a very detailed explanation while I was typing :D. I'll just add one thing: You should be able to speak Russian.... [/i]
doc... very nice detailed report. I'd add, 2100 is probably just a little early and most girls don't show up until 2200 or so. However, the nice thing about going early in the summer is that you have more light. That said, I ALWAYS carry a flashlight, little one or one of the LED ones on my key chain... unless I forget! :) Besides, it will probably come in handy at one point or another in your apartment hallway when the single bare light bulb is burned out... Is Russia a great country or what???
Also, some of my best experiences in Moscow have been with tochka girls, but you really never know what she'll be like, but again isn't that true with anyone you take home???
Tochka girls are probably the "lowest on the food chain"... Probably true of our scale, BUT the real "low end" hangs around the train stations offering a BJ... no doubt BBBJ2C... for 100 rubles. Personally, I'll pass on that treat!
I disagree with GJ a little though in that I don't think your exploration of the hobby in Moscow is complete without a visit to a tochka... just to see it if nothing else! I suspect that if you hang around CF a little you'll find someone to go with you, hopefully someone who speaks just a little English. There's really no reason to go far and just around the Garden Ring should be enough unless there is a G8 meeting or something that forces them closed.
One more tip... if you or your wingman don't speak Russki, use your cell phone to type out the dollar/ruble amount that you want to see. By all means look at all of them... one person's trash is another persons treasure.
Secondly, don't be afraid to get out of the car... they won't bite and every RU car I've ever been in has dirty, pitted windshields and dim headlights. Get up close to the girl, smile at her and see if she smiles back. They will get more friendly after you pick them but it's nice to see if a little chemistry builds before you pay your money.
Excellant report......i think no one needs to know till six months down the line ...what tochka is all about...
Hi,
Congrats and thanks for the great report. It explained basically everything one might want to know about the Tochka System.
And you are right I believe it is an experience one will not forget easily (Ill try as soon as I learn russian and go to Moscow) ;).
It puts adventure back into mongering!!!
regards
Gents,
After 3 years in Bucharest (really ejoyed the action there), I moved to Moscow.
This weekend it will be my first time going out in the city and I would be grateful for any recommendation.
Basically I am for the beginning interested in some decent bars and pubs - eventually with decent semi-pro's if this scene is existing here in Moscow. For the later hours of the evening everything should be possible :) - however I don't speak Russian nor have the chance to take her to my place.
Thank you for your recommendations via PM,
DerWirt
In the spirit of Doc's superb, encyclopedic post on tochkas ... anybody want to tackle the Internet girls? For instance:
Апартаменты: Any chance a non-Russian speaker can succeed in this? Perhaps with the help of a cab driver? Are there apartments inside the boulevard ring, or in the Arbat area?
Выезд: Do you have to speak Russian to "order" an incall visitor to a western-style hotel? What about communicating via email? Any chance the girl will resemble the (really great) images on intimcity and dosug.nu?
I have not had language problems in other countries ... intentions are pretty easy to figure out! But Russia seems to offer special challenges.
Dr_Shank, your knowledge on this subject and Moscow in general has been invaluable not only to me but many others. I thank you for that. This is what this board is all about. Other experienced mongers need to take a leaf from your book in my opinion.
Prices:
It seems disproportionate that a Tochka girl will cost USD$100, $150 or $200 for the night when you consider that a university graduate earns USD$70 per month working in an office. I have always related the cost of sex in countries to the weekly or monthly salary but it appears that in Russia this formula does not work. What is your opinion on the reasoning behind the hight price for sex in Russia? Is it a supply and demand situation and so many men what sex that the prices are sky high or is it that there are fewer women in Russia than me? Just a curious question. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Tochka:
Tochka means "point" and is essentially Moscow's form of street prostitution. The tochkas (actually tochki) are organised by the mafia (there's your mafia if you are really looking for it) and are conducted nightly from about dusk til dawn. There can be numerous tochkas all over the city, anywhere from the outskirts to the center.
For example, you will usually find tochkas on Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. They aren't confined to a single place and can often be in the same place for a few days or weeks, or move nightly. There is no way you can just "go to a tochka" that is at a particular place. You will have to take a taxi.
Finding tochkas:
Take a taxi as stated above. The best time to look is after about 9pm, that's when most girls show up for duty. When you flag down a taxi, ask him to take you to a tochka. Either he will say ok and try and drive you around until he finds one, or he will refuse and drive away. Some people dont want to take you there because of the danger of the police stopping them. The police often hang around known tochka areas hoping to stop your car and get a bribe. Before you go on a tochka tour, make sure your docs are in order, including your visa registration. Some drivers, particularly older ones, may be offended by your request or simply not know what you mean or where to go. If you cant find a taxi, you may pick up a taxi in front of CF (Boarhouse), which is across from Kursky train station. The drivers there will charge you more, but they will also know where to go.
The driver will drive on the road to those areas where he thinks he might find a tochka, usually the areas I mentioned above, Leninsky prospekt, Leningradsky prospekt, behind the "3 train stations", on the Garden Ring, Mira Prospekt, near Lubyanka etc. There he will see a woman standing along side the road seeking eye contact with drivers. She is the "beacon girl". He will stop in front of her and she will tell him which way to drive to find the tochka. Usually it is in a back alley or side street near her. Then the driver will drive to the area and you will see a mamachka (madam who organises the girls) and probably some other customers. Often there will be a few vans parked nearby in which the girls wait for customers. In the summer the girls may be milling about outside.
Viewing the menu:
Once there, you will have to talk to the mamachka. It definitely helps to speak at least basic Russian, don't expect her to speak English. She will tell you the prices at that particular tochka and ask you which girls you want to see. The prices may be in rubles or dollars.
Lately the prices are as follows:
$100 (3000 rubles): entry level girls, usually pretty skanky, 4-6 in quality
$150 (4500 rubles): mid-level girls, 6-7 in quality, occasional gems
$200 (6000 rubles): so-called top girls, 6-8 in quality
Sometimes there are $80 (2500 rubles) categories (really skanky) or even $250 (7500 rubles) categories.
Price for a particular girl may vary depending on time of day and particularly day of the week. For example a $100 girl may go for $150 on a Saturday night or a $200 girl for $150 on a Monday night etc. Generally Monday-Wednesday are my favorite nights in terms of price and selection, since there is less competition.
After you tell the mamachka which category you want, she will yell out loud "$100" or "4500 rubles" or whatever and the girls will line up in front of the car.
The size of the tochka also varies, from 1 girl to 50. On average there are about 10 girls in each category.
After making your selection, you pay the mamachka, wait for your girl to arrive and leave.
You should select wisely and pay attention to details. Of course it is at night, but try to get a look at her body (she will open her coat if you tell her to do so), look at her teeth or whatever. If nothing is available, you may go to another tochka.
Driving to the apartment or hotel:
This is the "fun part", as the police do prowl the streets looking to stop cars with tochka girls and their customers. Some tochkas are in cahoots with the police and may set you up. If you are stopped, remain calm. You are in no physical danger. It is all about a bribe. They will examine your docs and if all is ok leave you alone. They will probably find a problem with her docs, as she is probably not from Moscow and may not even be Russian, instead being from Ukraine, Moldava or Belarus. If they take her back to the squad car or say she must go to station you can either let her go (and lose your money) or bribe the cops. It should cost between ($20-50) 500-1500 rubles "straff".
If you make it back to the hotel or apartment ok (90% of the time you will not be stopped) you are home free.
Paying the taxi:
The taxi should get between 500-700 rubles for his services, depending on the length of your tour and how many tochkas were visited.
The deal:
The girl is yours until about 8am the next day, as much sex as you want or can handle. Normally they will kiss and give great GFE. Anal is an option, but up to her. Money talks.
The damage:
At this point you may be asking yourself "why tochka??" as it can be an expensive endeavour:
Assuming you choose a mid-level girl:
$150: the girl
$25: the taxi
$25: possible militia bribe
$10: tip for girl
You are already at $210 dollars, which will also buy you sex elsewhere.
So "Why tochka"?
First of all, its an adventure you'll never forget. Anyone who has done it admits that the whole process can be fun... driving around the city, dirty back alleys, the element of danger, the mafia, the cops, the "skankiness".
Second of all, you get the girl all-night. She is in many ways at your mercy. Generally speaking, they do everything and if you are both nice and "demanding", you will get all you want.
Third, the girls. They are often pretty common girls, very basic, but fun and suprisingly sweet. Some of my all time favorites are from the tochka.
"Why not tochka"
Tochka girls are almost the lowest on the pro sex food chain, besides the "vodka *****s" down by the Kievsky Voksal. Some are forced into the trade, many don't really enjoy their work, the can be desperate. You should always take care of all health issues and be careful. These girls never get to chose whom they fuck. Sometimes they get beaten or sold out to groups of men. It is the gateway to a darker side of the sex trade in Russia and one you may or may not want to enter. I personally never got past the gate and dont want to. I've almost always enjoyed my tochka girls, but do realize that even as nice as I might have been to them, their lives are hardly full of sunshine and happiness. Many save the meagre earnings from their work and send it home to mama or papa.. or to their boyfriends. They earn about 35% of what you paid the mamachka. Some of them are forced to stay in Moscow to "earn off" the price it took to get them there from Moldava or Belarus. Many are treated as "goods". They usually live together with other girls in Moscow's suburbs. There are of course many independent "regular" girls working tochka as well, but you never know what you are going to get and never know what the girl's past, future or fate holds.
That's the tochka story, a Moscow institution.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Dr_Shank, your knowledge on this subject and Moscow in general has been invaluable not only to me but many others. I thank you for that. This is what this board is all about. Other experienced mongers need to take a leaf from your book in my opinion.
Prices:
It seems disproportionate that a Tochka girl will cost USD$100, $150 or $200 for the night when you consider that a university graduate earns USD$70 per month working in an office. I have always related the cost of sex in countries to the weekly or monthly salary but it appears that in Russia this formula does not work. What is your opinion on the reasoning behind the hight price for sex in Russia? Is it a supply and demand situation and so many men what sex that the prices are sky high or is it that there are fewer women in Russia than me? Just a curious question. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
70USD a month for a universuty graduate - outdated information. Now minimum is 300-500USD, depends on work. Some young people make this money without any education at all, for ex. as consultants in clothes or electronic shops. Web-desighners make 200-250USD for creating a web-site, which you can do after a 10-day course which will cost you 100USD only (oh, I must go for such a course =)) my site is terrible, don't go there), the same is a daily rate for a photographer, but he needs a cam, which is a bit more expensive, and the course is also longer.
Blastoff:
First of all its Doc Skank and not Doc Shank... :) And everything I learned about tochka I learned from Ca_T, ISG's tochka pioneer.
In Russia, and particularly Moscow, you cant relate average incomes to cost of sex. It is supply and demand, and demand is high. Moreover, average wages in Moscow are fairly high and the number of really rich Russians and foreigners is staggering.
In some ways the tochka prices are disproportionate however, at least in comparison to other options. Internet and salon girls seem to be best value for the money and average a bit lower than tochka girls. They however wont stay the night for $150, but only for about 2 hours. Girls from CF (Boarhouse) will average about the same price and are usually more polished than tochka girls, but also often more professional in a negative sense. They also dont always stay the night for $150. As I stated, the charm of tochka girls really isnt the price but rather the fact that they are true "over-nighters" and often very appreciative when they get a decent customer. They usually have more "girl next door" charm than "sex bomb" charm if you know what I mean. Some of them are downright fuck machines too, I've had more than one that refused to give up after 2 or 3 rounds and insisted on banging all night. I've also had one or two who were lousy, but that's the way it goes. Generally though, I've enjoyed them. Another interesting aspect that turns me on is the "shadiness" of it... it seems a bit forbidden, a bit dangerous, and this appeals to me. Internet and salon girls seem a bit too "fast food" for me, even though technically there is probably little difference.
BTW, a university graduate doesnt earn $70 a month in Moscow. I'll give you an example. My ex-gf works in an office for a western finance company. She nets about $2000 a month, is 26, lives in an apartment her parents bought, rides the metro and at the end of the month after all normal expenses has about $1500 spending money, plus that which her parents give her. This is a highly intelligent, hard-working and cute girl... but there are plenty of those in Moscow.. so actually pretty average for that vibrant city. And that is about the same or maybe even more than a similar uni grad in Sweden would earn net. Russians pay a 18% flat rate tax (if I remember correctly). Don't feel too sorry for Moscow girls, they aren't living in squalor.
Sure you will find uneducated or minimally educated girls in Moscow earning $200-500 working in shops or as waitresses, but this is already twice as much as they would earn in rural Russia or Ukraine.
When I first went to Russia a few years ago the tochka prices were $50/70/100, CF was $70/100 and NF was $100-200... so you see how the sex market has developed in the last 5-7 years.
This doesnt have to be judged negatively though. Moscow is expensive and the girls living there need money. Because they do, you will still find plenty of girls who will fuck for money since this is a fairly lucrative business for many of them. If they didnt need the money, there probably wouldnt be so much available on the market.
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]In the spirit of Doc's superb, encyclopedic post on tochkas ... anybody want to tackle the Internet girls? For instance:
Апартаменты: Any chance a non-Russian speaker can succeed in this? Perhaps with the help of a cab driver? Are there apartments inside the boulevard ring, or in the Arbat area?
Выезд: Do you have to speak Russian to "order" an incall visitor to a western-style hotel? What about communicating via email? Any chance the girl will resemble the (really great) images on intimcity and dosug.nu?
I have not had language problems in other countries ... intentions are pretty easy to figure out! But Russia seems to offer special challenges.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to speak Russian to invite a girl in a hotel, it's quite enough if you call an english-speaking girl. There are all chances that she will be the same as on the picture, why not? Dosug.nu is mostly oriented on Russian clients, so girls don't have to speak Englisg to work with them, that's why you probably had difficulty with them. If you need to find the address with a cab, just ask sonebody to write it on a piece of paper. And if you go in a girl's apartment, let her tell her address to the cab's driver on mobile phone. All is easy =)))
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]70USD a month for a universuty graduate - outdated information. Now minimum is 300-500USD, depends on work. Some young people make this money without any education at all, for ex. as consultants in clothes or electronic shops. Web-desighners make 200-250USD for creating a web-site, which you can do after a 10-day course which will cost you 100USD only (oh, I must go for such a course =)) my site is terrible, don't go there), the same is a daily rate for a photographer, but he needs a cam, which is a bit more expensive, and the course is also longer.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that. I have been chatting with some Russian girls who live in towns 800 klm from Moscow and the $70 a month salary is what they say they earn with a degree but there are two possibilities. One they are lying because they want me to feel sorry for them and send money (which won’t happen) and the other is the fact they live in small provincial towns may be a factor for their low salary.
Non the less, even at $300 to $500 a month in salary in Moscow, can any one tell me how $100 per hour is justified for sex? I would imagine based on the salary that $100 would get me a girl for at least a few days LOL.
The answer to your question inside of your text.
Those girls living 800km from Moscow and on average people in Moscow get paid times more than lets say people in Cheboksary or Saratov.
Be paid $200 in Penza and in Moscow very different.
I hope it will explain your question.
Lover
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Thanks for that. I have been chatting with some Russian girls who live in towns 800 klm from Moscow and the $70 a month salary is what they say they earn with a degree but there are two possibilities. One they are lying because they want me to feel sorry for them and send money (which won’t happen) and the other is the fact they live in small provincial towns may be a factor for their low salary.
Non the less, even at $300 to $500 a month in salary in Moscow, can any one tell me how $100 per hour is justified for sex? I would imagine based on the salary that $100 would get me a girl for at least a few days LOL.[/QUOTE]
I thought you meant Moscow, because this part of forum is about Moscow, and I also spoke only about Moscow. Suppose about 800 kilometers away people can have smaller salaries, or may be you are right, and girls try to make you feel sorry, there is such a trick, too =))). For Moscow 100$ for an hour is absolutely unjust. It has to be more to cover normal daily and business expences. Everybody needs not only eat, but also to dress, travel, enjoy life... you too, be the way =))). Few days with 100$ you can't afford even food and transport in Moscow, nothing to say about rent. The young people who work for 300-500$ a month go on to live with their parents. Working girls can't afford such a luxury, what shall we explain to our mommy and daddy about clients coming home? I'm afraid they will not believe in such an amazing amount of future husbands =))).
Helena is right, Moscow salaries are not to be compared with rural salaries.
Even at that though, $70/month is too low. Starting salaries in provincial areas are about $200 for basic work. The worst off are actually those working in academic fields, such as teachers and doctors, they do start at about $100-150. They possess skills that the nation needs, but which capitalism doesnt value. Unfortunately, oil-rich Russia cares less about its own country's good than owning the newest 7 series BMW or Porsche Cayenne. I find it entertaining to see the newest Mercedes M-Klasse Jeep as a police car in Moscow... for a district police chief of course.
Rural girl's are desperate for cash, this is true. But really, $70 will get you nowhere in Moscow and doesnt get you far in rural Russia either... at least if you want to live like a modern girl... and believe me, Russian girls are obsessed with looking good and enjoying life and that costs $$$. This also explains why Moscow and larger cities continue to grow and Siberia and rural Russia is bled out.
As for Moscow prices, its a mixed bag. You can still get laid, even an overnighter, for $100 if you are lucky. But it is the exception and not the rule. "Entry level overnighter" for a girl in the 6-8 category costs $150-250. Quite frankly, I think $100 is a fair price for 2 hours of mid-level sex in Moscow, provided the service is good. You can get laid for $70/hour as well, provided 1 hour is enough. It really isnt for me... I need at least 2-3 hours otherwise I feel I've just wasted my money.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]I thought you meant Moscow, because this part of forum is about Moscow, and I also spoke only about Moscow. Suppose about 800 kilometers away people can have smaller salaries, or may be you are right, and girls try to make you feel sorry, there is such a trick, too =))). For Moscow 100$ for an hour is absolutely unjust. It has to be more to cover normal daily and business expences. Everybody needs not only eat, but also to dress, travel, enjoy life... you too, be the way =))). Few days with 100$ you can't afford even food and transport in Moscow, nothing to say about rent. The young people who work for 300-500$ a month go on to live with their parents. Working girls can't afford such a luxury, what shall we explain to our mommy and daddy about clients coming home? I'm afraid they will not believe in such an amazing amount of future husbands =))).[/QUOTE]
You are right in my opinion. This is a Moscow forum and I was merely explaining some information I received from girls on chat sites in Russia. I now fully understand that Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live and why costs of everything are so high. My belief though is this it is better to accept a lower amount of money for sex on a slow night than to go home empty handed but that does not appear to be the case in the pro scene here. I am sure that private semi pros would negotiate more and GFE's that I am setting up and chatting t on the net would be great!
My idea is to experience ALL that Russia has to offer and not be limited to one scene or an other. I plan to stay around one month so I should have time to do all. I want to set up meetings with say 10 internet GFE regular girls from other parts of Russia and I will organise their transport to my hotel to spend some days with me and get to know them. I will then send one home and have an other arrive. Of course if the GFE treats me well I will take good care of her for the time she is with me. What do you guys think of this idea?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Helena is right, Moscow salaries are not to be compared with rural salaries.
Even at that though, $70/month is too low. Starting salaries in provincial areas are about $200 for basic work. The worst off are actually those working in academic fields, such as teachers and doctors, they do start at about $100-150. They possess skills that the nation needs, but which capitalism doesnt value. Unfortunately, oil-rich Russia cares less about its own country's good than owning the newest 7 series BMW or Porsche Cayenne. I find it entertaining to see the newest Mercedes M-Klasse Jeep as a police car in Moscow... for a district police chief of course.
Rural girl's are desperate for cash, this is true. But really, $70 will get you nowhere in Moscow and doesnt get you far in rural Russia either... at least if you want to live like a modern girl... and believe me, Russian girls are obsessed with looking good and enjoying life and that costs $$$. This also explains why Moscow and larger cities continue to grow and Siberia and rural Russia is bled out.
As for Moscow prices, its a mixed bag. You can still get laid, even an overnighter, for $100 if you are lucky. But it is the exception and not the rule. "Entry level overnighter" for a girl in the 6-8 category costs $150-250. Quite frankly, I think $100 is a fair price for 2 hours of mid-level sex in Moscow, provided the service is good. You can get laid for $70/hour as well, provided 1 hour is enough. It really isnt for me... I need at least 2-3 hours otherwise I feel I've just wasted my money.[/QUOTE]
Apologies for the miss spelling of your name in my earlier post.
I can understand your views and agree with them for my own way of doing things also. I hate a rush job from any girls so 2 to 3 hours minimum is good for me to.
I now have my head around how things are currently working in Moscow and the going rates. I am satisfied with that.
I am getting a lot of feed back from the Russian girls I am chatting to warning me that there are many gangs like Nazis beating up on foreigners and there is a general distaste for foreigner men in Moscow.
I am getting this same information form ALL of the 10 girls I am chatting with in Russia.
Can any one explain further if they have any knowledge about this.
Thanks again.
bo... everyone is doing a great job of comparing Moscow wages with the rest of Russia. However, also keep in mind that yes tochka prices have gone up dramatically, but remember that the tochka girls only get a small portion of that. Best estimate I've heard is 35% but could be as low as $35 or less depending on how much they owe to the "handler".
Also, gangs... if you stick to the center of the city you will have more problems with the militia than with gangs. Everything changes outside the city center. ALSO, everything I've said is referring to Moscow and NOT Spb where both the gangs and the police are dangerous.
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]bo... everyone is doing a great job of comparing Moscow wages with the rest of Russia. However, also keep in mind that yes tochka prices have gone up dramatically, but remember that the tochka girls only get a small portion of that. Best estimate I've heard is 35% but could be as low as $35 or less depending on how much they owe to the "handler".
Also, gangs... if you stick to the center of the city you will have more problems with the militia than with gangs. Everything changes outside the city center. ALSO, everything I've said is referring to Moscow and NOT Spb where both the gangs and the police are dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your advice and insight. Earlier in this forum, I have received advice that it is resonably safe in Moscow for a white tourist. I am a little confused what to believe now.
I have heard the work "miltia" used her many times. Does that refer to the army, police or gangs in Moscow?
Militia is the police. I advise you to carry your passport (some carry just a copy, I carry my original... not sure if that is wise or stupid) and make sure your visa is registered. If that is taken care of, you will have no problems with them. You may get stopped by them for routine document checks or may get stopped in the taxi if coming from a tochka or pickup bar like CF (Boarhouse), but then it is a question of a bribe, which should be handled fairly discreetly.
Gangs and crime:
The only people who really have problems with skinhead gangs are "black people" and when Russians refer to "black people" they mean anyone with dark skin... Africans, Arabs, Indians and in particular people from the Caucasus, like Chechens, Dagestanis, Ossetians, Azerbaijanis and even Georgians and Armenians. People from some central Asian former Soviet republics like Tadjikistan or Uzbekistan are also sometimes targeted as are darker skinned people from other areas like Turkey, Romania or wherever. That said, the vast majority of problems faced are outside of Moscow in places like Voronezh, where several high profile murders have taken place at the hands of skinhead gangs.
Within Moscow, at least within the vast center, you will not encounter skinhead gangs or violence. Black people may encounter other forms of racism, like verbal attacks, not being able to get into clubs, hassles from the police etc... basically the same type of racism that can occur anywhere. Russians are xenophobic people and jelaous. Most race problems are related to the fear of foreigners taking away jobs from Russian workers, terrorism caused by Muslims and dark-skinned peoples obsession with blonde Russian women. There is also some jealousy directed at people from the Caucasus due to their relative success in Moscow, oddly combined with their high unemployment. Moscow is a financial mecca and many people from the Caucasus, particularly Armenians and Georgians, have been very successful and like to show it off... black S-class Mercedes, Armani suit, blonde doll on his arm. (some of my best friends in Moscow are Caucasians) This causes jelaousy. Vastly more people from the Caucasus and central Asia have come to Moscow unemployed and work cheap labor jobs or dont work at all... causing fear that Moscow is being overrun by "foreigners" and "black people". More cause for strife. Add in the constant fear of Chechen terrorist attacks and you have an omnipresent latent anxiety. Even this kind of racism shouldnt be exaggerated in my opinion. I'm not black so I am not an expert, but I have known some people who might get targeted by racial treatment and they got along just fine in Moscow.
If I were black I would think twice about going to provincial Russia however and if I did, I would be very cautious, especially at night.
General anti-foreigner sentiment, including against white foreigners, does exist to a certain degree as it does everywhere, especially in poorer areas of Russia. Again this is based on the fact that white foreigners are viewed as rich (at least by the general "poor" public, rich Russians view foreigners with a certain degree of respect and a larger degree of apathy) and that white foreigners are seen as doing very well with Russian girls.
Moscow (at least central Moscow) however isnt poor and is more obsessed with money than anything else, so people "dont have time" to worry about bothersome foreigners. You may have a comment or two thrown your way, one you likely won't even understand. In the last few years I've had less than 10 minor incidents based on my foreign status (knock on wood) and these were all really laughably minor.
My best suggestion is to go to Moscow with an open mind. Some people are fascinated by it and drawn in like a moth to flame, some people are intimidated by its vast size and power, some love its world-class nightlife and exciting pace, others are annoyed by its high prices and nerve-grinding big city annoyances. There is truth to all of this, but for me it is still my favorite place... to visit.
Another series of awesome posts from Doc the mentor/master…:)
I am originally from Istanbul/Turkey. Most of the time foreigners thought whether I am American, Greek or Italian. Usually, girls first guess was Greek, when they realized that I came from Istanbul, the ice melted. Russians love to go to Turkish coastlines for summer holidays
Not only your skin color also the way you dress and the way you hang around affects girls and guys approach.
YES, Moscow is expensive. But mongering is not cheap and when you compare to EU countries and States, Moscow is definitely cheaper.
YES, Moscow might be dangerous. But, in this crazy world, none of us are safe even in our hometowns.
I wrote it couple of times, I enjoy going incalls. Safety is the major concern. I slept with a mafia(boss) mistress. At that moment he was in jail somewhere in Europe. Damaged steel main door, double security doors, cams and all the high tech security gadgets. At first 2 hours I was afraid that someone gone bust us. But later, I said, fuck it; I am gone live only once (also weed and booze might affect me).
Trendy outfits and accessories definitely impress girls, Russian girls are looking and interested in fancy watches, latest model high tech cell phones, expensive shoes, what you order to drink, how you approach to them and you can dance or not.
I have never carry more than $500 in a night. Even though I keep them separate and never ever show how much money I have in my pocket. No need to take attention and attract girls with money. You already pay her for sex. I don’t carry wallet or credit cards. I had problems on withdrawing cash from ATM machines; therefore I only bring cash. If I(we) brought girls to my(our) place, we always lock the door and hide the keys. Also try not to leave the cash or wallets on tables.
I prefer to ignore people when I use the metro, try to stay away from the empty streets or under passages.
I love to walk around the city and use the metro. I even use irregular taxis to go to incalls. Most of the time I can understand the metro station but not the full address, so girls gave the directions to the driver and had no problems so far.
You have been there for business or pleasure or both. Don’t be afraid to explore the city. Foreigners or first timers kept going to same rat holes(CF,NF, Safari, Oh la la). Try live the city. If you have time, not only walk on Arbat or Novy Arbat, also go to shopping malls(ex: the one next to Kurskaya metro station, opposite of CF). Try to understand the Russians and their cultures.
Unfortunately, most of the foreigners are only after sex with long, thin, blonde Russian girls. And when ordinary Russians meet a foreigner, they think, “oh this guy is after my devushka”.
From outside, people think that they don’t like foreigners but not totally true. They may look cold or unfriendly but they are one of the friendliest people on earth. Don’t forget Russia was the motherland of the communist regime.
Russians are real party people (Especially prefer house parties). Love to drink, eat and dance.
Short of long, Moscow has the craziest nightlife. As long as you have enough cash flow, nothing is impossible.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Militia is the police. I advise you to carry your passport (some carry just a copy, I carry my original... not sure if that is wise or stupid) and make sure your visa is registered. If that is taken care of, you will have no problems with them. You may get stopped by them for routine document checks or may get stopped in the taxi if coming from a tochka or pickup bar like CF (Boarhouse), but then it is a question of a bribe, which should be handled fairly discreetly.
Gangs and crime:
The only people who really have problems with skinhead gangs are "black people" and when Russians refer to "black people" they mean anyone with dark skin... Africans, Arabs, Indians and in particular people from the Caucasus, like Chechens, Dagestanis, Ossetians, Azerbaijanis and even Georgians and Armenians. People from some central Asian former Soviet republics like Tadjikistan or Uzbekistan are also sometimes targeted as are darker skinned people from other areas like Turkey, Romania or wherever. That said, the vast majority of problems faced are outside of Moscow in places like Voronezh, where several high profile murders have taken place at the hands of skinhead gangs.
Within Moscow, at least within the vast center, you will not encounter skinhead gangs or violence. Black people may encounter other forms of racism, like verbal attacks, not being able to get into clubs, hassles from the police etc... basically the same type of racism that can occur anywhere. Russians are xenophobic people and jelaous. Most race problems are related to the fear of foreigners taking away jobs from Russian workers, terrorism caused by Muslims and dark-skinned peoples obsession with blonde Russian women. There is also some jealousy directed at people from the Caucasus due to their relative success in Moscow, oddly combined with their high unemployment. Moscow is a financial mecca and many people from the Caucasus, particularly Armenians and Georgians, have been very successful and like to show it off... black S-class Mercedes, Armani suit, blonde doll on his arm. (some of my best friends in Moscow are Caucasians) This causes jelaousy. Vastly more people from the Caucasus and central Asia have come to Moscow unemployed and work cheap labor jobs or dont work at all... causing fear that Moscow is being overrun by "foreigners" and "black people". More cause for strife. Add in the constant fear of Chechen terrorist attacks and you have an omnipresent latent anxiety. Even this kind of racism shouldnt be exaggerated in my opinion. I'm not black so I am not an expert, but I have known some people who might get targeted by racial treatment and they got along just fine in Moscow.
If I were black I would think twice about going to provincial Russia however and if I did, I would be very cautious, especially at night.
General anti-foreigner sentiment, including against white foreigners, does exist to a certain degree as it does everywhere, especially in poorer areas of Russia. Again this is based on the fact that white foreigners are viewed as rich (at least by the general "poor" public, rich Russians view foreigners with a certain degree of respect and a larger degree of apathy) and that white foreigners are seen as doing very well with Russian girls.
Moscow (at least central Moscow) however isnt poor and is more obsessed with money than anything else, so people "dont have time" to worry about bothersome foreigners. You may have a comment or two thrown your way, one you likely won't even understand. In the last few years I've had less than 10 minor incidents based on my foreign status (knock on wood) and these were all really laughably minor.
My best suggestion is to go to Moscow with an open mind. Some people are fascinated by it and drawn in like a moth to flame, some people are intimidated by its vast size and power, some love its world-class nightlife and exciting pace, others are annoyed by its high prices and nerve-grinding big city annoyances. There is truth to all of this, but for me it is still my favorite place... to visit.[/QUOTE]
Thanks again for shedding some light on this and expressing your perspective.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Another series of awesome posts from Doc the mentor/master…:)
I am originally from Istanbul/Turkey. Most of the time foreigners thought whether I am American, Greek or Italian. Usually, girls first guess was Greek, when they realized that I came from Istanbul, the ice melted. Russians love to go to Turkish coastlines for summer holidays
Not only your skin color also the way you dress and the way you hang around affects girls and guys approach.
YES, Moscow is expensive. But mongering is not cheap and when you compare to EU countries and States, Moscow is definitely cheaper.
YES, Moscow might be dangerous. But, in this crazy world, none of us are safe even in our hometowns.
I wrote it couple of times, I enjoy going incalls. Safety is the major concern. I slept with a mafia(boss) mistress. At that moment he was in jail somewhere in Europe. Damaged steel main door, double security doors, cams and all the high tech security gadgets. At first 2 hours I was afraid that someone gone bust us. But later, I said, fuck it; I am gone live only once (also weed and booze might affect me).
Trendy outfits and accessories definitely impress girls, Russian girls are looking and interested in fancy watches, latest model high tech cell phones, expensive shoes, what you order to drink, how you approach to them and you can dance or not.
I have never carry more than $500 in a night. Even though I keep them separate and never ever show how much money I have in my pocket. No need to take attention and attract girls with money. You already pay her for sex. I don’t carry wallet or credit cards. I had problems on withdrawing cash from ATM machines; therefore I only bring cash. If I(we) brought girls to my(our) place, we always lock the door and hide the keys. Also try not to leave the cash or wallets on tables.
I prefer to ignore people when I use the metro, try to stay away from the empty streets or under passages.
I love to walk around the city and use the metro. I even use irregular taxis to go to incalls. Most of the time I can understand the metro station but not the full address, so girls gave the directions to the driver and had no problems so far.
You have been there for business or pleasure or both. Don’t be afraid to explore the city. Foreigners or first timers kept going to same rat holes(CF,NF, Safari, Oh la la). Try live the city. If you have time, not only walk on Arbat or Novy Arbat, also go to shopping malls(ex: the one next to Kurskaya metro station, opposite of CF). Try to understand the Russians and their cultures.
Unfortunately, most of the foreigners are only after sex with long, thin, blonde Russian girls. And when ordinary Russians meet a foreigner, they think, “oh this guy is after my devushka”.
From outside, people think that they don’t like foreigners but not totally true. They may look cold or unfriendly but they are one of the friendliest people on earth. Don’t forget Russia was the motherland of the communist regime.
Russians are real party people (Especially prefer house parties). Love to drink, eat and dance.
Short of long, Moscow has the craziest nightlife. As long as you have enough cash flow, nothing is impossible.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that. I enjoyed reading it and took what you said on board.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Militia is the police. I advise you to carry your passport (some carry just a copy, I carry my original... not sure if that is wise or stupid) and make sure your visa is registered. If that is taken care of, you will have no problems with them. You may get stopped by them for routine document checks or may get stopped in the taxi if coming from a tochka or pickup bar like CF (Boarhouse), but then it is a question of a bribe, which should be handled fairly discreetly.
.[/QUOTE]
I just can add that it's a wise decition to carry passport original. Even we, Muscovites, do the same. Because if something is wrong with your papers, you can be locked in the police for a day or more, which is not at all pleasant. In some days it seems they check documents on every corner, but if everithing is OK with your passport, visa and registration, they let you out in a polite manner.
This entire thread of conversation just reminds me one of the reasons that I moved away from Moscow to Odessa! :)
Ca_T:
I admit that Odessa is definitely less hassle than Moscow and a great place to relax amid a bevy of beauties, but there are still reasons we go to Russia...
:)
doc... no question that Moscow has more options available for P4P, but you have to admit that ODS holds its own when it comes to regular girls in both quality and quantity!
No doubt that Moscow is a fun place to visit, especially when you have an unlimited expense account and a very flexible schedule, but...
When it comes to less cost, less hassle, less traffic, easy trip from airport, better weather, excellent restaurants at a reasonable price, all in a stress-free environment, ODS is ahead of the game... AT LEAST AS A PERMANENT RESIDENCE.
Maybe you've just been away from ODS for too long? :)
According to the latest (2005) Cost of Living Survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Moscow remains in the four most expensives cities in the world.
[url]http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm[/url]
Kiev (and Odessa, presuming that cost of living is approximately the same in both cities), in 54th place, is not that cheap. Bucharest is the least expensive European city in 103rd place, and Buenos Aires one of the least expensive in the world in 142nd place.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy] maybe i just didn't take the time to read it properly...[/QUOTE]
Yep, maybe ....
lol
Rating expensive cities:
These ratings are based on downtown office space prices, certain services, residential prices etc. and aren't really 100% accurate, but they do at least provide a general guideline. That said, there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others.
Ca_T: I like ODS a lot and can't wait to get back and just relax... am quite frankly a bit worried that ODS will get overrun with tourists however and just become another beach resort town ala Mallorca or Rimini with its groping tourists, lackluster service and annoying crowds of sun-happy revelers. I certainly dont need that, if I want that I can stay in Europe and actually spend less based on the kind of great package deals you get here. I just hope that ODS can maintain its special character!
If I had to go somewhere to choose the world's best women for my personal harem and could only go one place, I'd still go to Moscow though... FSU's collective wealth of beauty resides there. My current "flames" are from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, not to mention some of the standard blonde type.
Odessan women do have a very special sexual quality about them though and if someone would say that Odessan women were the world's best, it would be hard to argue... its all a matter of perspective.
I'm admittedly spoiled in Moscow and the freebie market. It's better than ever if you apply yourself properly and can offer the girl at least some intangible "value-added" quality, which is essentially at least the notion that you live there, are successful and might actually see her for a second date after banging her... I also find that Moscow women are addicted to adventure and excitement, if you can offer her something more than the standard expensive dinners, flowers and perfume gifts you can get far. I've long stopped going to expensive restaurants for example, its usually just a waste of time and money and doesnt really get you any further with the girl. My favorite gift is still lingerie... she is almost forced to model it for you and they all love it...
If I want to go someplace to relax and let life pamper me with sun, frolick and babes, Odessa is the place.
Moscow is high-powered, energetic wild women, crazy sex and variety variety variety.
And lets not forget Kiev..
It's good to be a man in EE.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]These ratings aren't really 100% accurate .... there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others. .[/QUOTE]
"Mercer’s survey covers 144 cities across six continents and measures the comparative cost of over 200 items in each location, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment. It is the world’s most comprehensive cost of living survey and is used to help multinational companies and governments determine compensation allowances for their expatriate employees. With New York as the base city scoring 100 points, Tokyo scores 134.7 and is more than three times costlier than Asuncion, which has an index of 40.3."
[QUOTE=Prosal]According to the latest (2005) Cost of Living Survey from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Moscow remains in the four most expensives cities in the world.
[url]http://www.finfacts.com/costofliving.htm[/url]
Kiev (and Odessa, presuming that cost of living is approximately the same in both cities), in 54th place, is not that cheap. Bucharest is the least expensive European city in 103rd place, and Buenos Aires one of the least expensive in the world in 142nd place.[/QUOTE]
Many thanks for this link and info. I will use it to plan where to visit as I am looking for 3 or 4 cities or towns in Europe where sex with fare skinned girls is easily available and the cost of living is not ridiculously high. I am covered with Asia as I have found that Utopia in the Philippines and Thailand, Africa, the DR, Colombia and Brazil more than cover me for my dark fetish but reasonable priced, fun loving, white skinned or blonds have eluded me for a while other than in my own country of Australia but then you need to keep them long term as a GF which I don't want to do due to the hassle.
I will post all reports of future trips here as a thank you for all the great info I have got so far.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]this list must be plagued by a very screwy methodology and doesn't pass the initial smell test. it porports that budapest (24), warsaw (28), and prague (27) are more expensive than los angeles (44) and that hanoi (50) is just as expensive as san franciso (50). maybe i just didn't take the time to read it properly...[/QUOTE]
I am suggesting that it may be based on the cost of living proportionate to the per capita income of the population and the basic monthly salary. Just a guess..
Sorry guys. Don't mean to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] anyone off. Moscow prices, for everything, are fake. There is this example that I use with people to explain the difference. If you have an acre of land in the west you plant fruit trees that reap the reward in a couple of years. In Russia if you have an acre of land you build a fence, bribe officials, hire security, and plant potatoes that you reap in less than a year. See the differnce? Thank you Matthew Maly
See, people here open a store and they do not know when it is going to be closed down. They will try to screw you over for the maximum price for the limited time they are in business. The business plan extends to about 1 years here at tops.
As a small business owner, I think that the rates on offices and apartments are ridiculous. The average person who lives here makes about 550 dollars per month. That is less than my rent. To live here like a dignified human being, not a Russian with the explolding Rubin TV and sausage that is not made cat meat, it costs more than LA. I actually told a landlord- "Why am I paying Cali prices" and she said " Well, this is not California."
Yes, I can see that.
No ocean and -30 in the winter. Here have all my money! Please let me live here!
You guys, what would you choose, a house by the sea in Malibu or a "kottazh" in Zhukovo? I am actually curious, where would you live if you had a couple mil burning a hole in you pocket?
They have a new law where you can only import 35 kg a month from China where before you could import 200 kg a month. The reason was to protect Russian manufacturing. The problem is- there is no Russian manufacturing! In the Far East 80% of things are imported from China. It will basically raise prices at a time when the PM said to the the money minister "Kus kino mat'".
I seriously think that when they make laws here they go- "how can we screw over the average Russian?"
Sorry to be pendatic but I only post messages here when I am drunk off my ass.
I think I will be at the Boarhouse tomorrow (Sun) if anyone wants to meet up.
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]In this Hotel girls in a bar do not sit. It is new Hotel. You will find girls here
[url]http://www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url] and [url]http://www.yourfantasy.ru[/url]
I know, I first must read the previous posts, and indeed I am doing it slowly because there are so many.
Thanks to all,
K[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]OK, so on my last morning in Moscow I gave Victoria a ring to have Katya come by the apartment for 2-3 hrs prior to taking my long trip home. I have nothing to complain about with respect to the service and the girl's attitude but it sure the hell wasn't Katya that advertised on the yourfantasy website, no matter how much she insisted that it was or how bad your screen resolution might be! The "Katya" that showed up was not 19, closer to early thirties, perhaps late twenties consider how Russian women tend to age (I laugh at CT's 'they age in dog-years after 25' comment.
So mongers be warned, the photos are come-ons, but the experience was nevertheless good, but if what you order is what you expect, you'll be disappointed what shows up.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]this list is bullshit. no need for elaboration. it's not germane who printed it or what criterion was used.
how much does a girl in nf go for these days?[/QUOTE]
Explain NF please and I will answer if I can.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]this list is bullshit. no need for elaboration. it's not germane who printed it or what criterion was used.
how much does a girl in nf go for these days?[/QUOTE]
Here is an other web address on the subject that confirms the earlier findings and better explains how the authors came to their conclusions.
Enjoy
[url]http://www.citymayors.com/features/cost_survey.html[/url]
Hi friend I have seen you every where on the bard. Now tell me what it is good in Moscow. I am travelling to moscow, kiev & Odessai. So give your fair advz.
Spark 78
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Rating expensive cities:
These ratings are based on downtown office space prices, certain services, residential prices etc. and aren't really 100% accurate, but they do at least provide a general guideline. That said, there is seemingly no logical reason why some cities are ranked higher than others.
Ca_T: I like ODS a lot and can't wait to get back and just relax... am quite frankly a bit worried that ODS will get overrun with tourists however and just become another beach resort town ala Mallorca or Rimini with its groping tourists, lackluster service and annoying crowds of sun-happy revelers. I certainly dont need that, if I want that I can stay in Europe and actually spend less based on the kind of great package deals you get here. I just hope that ODS can maintain its special character!
If I had to go somewhere to choose the world's best women for my personal harem and could only go one place, I'd still go to Moscow though... FSU's collective wealth of beauty resides there. My current "flames" are from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, not to mention some of the standard blonde type.
Odessan women do have a very special sexual quality about them though and if someone would say that Odessan women were the world's best, it would be hard to argue... its all a matter of perspective.
I'm admittedly spoiled in Moscow and the freebie market. It's better than ever if you apply yourself properly and can offer the girl at least some intangible "value-added" quality, which is essentially at least the notion that you live there, are successful and might actually see her for a second date after banging her... I also find that Moscow women are addicted to adventure and excitement, if you can offer her something more than the standard expensive dinners, flowers and perfume gifts you can get far. I've long stopped going to expensive restaurants for example, its usually just a waste of time and money and doesnt really get you any further with the girl. My favorite gift is still lingerie... she is almost forced to model it for you and they all love it...
If I want to go someplace to relax and let life pamper me with sun, frolick and babes, Odessa is the place.
Moscow is high-powered, energetic wild women, crazy sex and variety variety variety.
And lets not forget Kiev..
It's good to be a man in EE.[/QUOTE]
Ffmbud,
I think someone else also posted on their experience with sweet-dreams.ru. Pretty much the same as yours; the experience was OK, but the website is not completely honest.
Neither of you posted prices, though. What are the girls charging?
On another note....
Spark78,
Dark Shark???? Wasn't he a character in Threepenny Opera?
Stravinsky,
What I was proposed was $200 for 3 hrs for the services.
[quote=peasant]
so [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off.
moscow is everything fake.
there i use people.
in russia you bribe officials, and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the dyevs who
make about 5 dollars per month.
that is my human sausage the cat meat costs more.
well, i am actually curious, where would you live if you had a couple mil burning a hole in you pocket?
they have a new law where you can only import 35 kg a month from china where before you could import 200 kg a month. the problem is- there is no russian manufacturing! in the far east 80% of things are imported from china.
i think the laws here screw over the average russian
[/quote]
there are a few other places a monger could make a stand with a
couple million.
just send your driver down to the container port 10km from odessa, and you can import as much as you want.
all laws are meant to screw average people. you think the rich lawyers
that make the laws give a fuck about anyone but themselves and
their rich buddies? you better wake up. though if you've got millions,
then you're one of them. so from all us average joes, go cry to mommy!
Peasant:
There is a lot of truth in your post, but I really dont seem to get your point... :)
If I had a couple of mil I wouldnt live in Moscow, but I would go there on weekends and party my ass off.
Blastoff:
NF is Night Flight.
Dirk Dingy:
From what I remember prices are $250+ for 3 hours-night. You can probably talk girls down to $200 on an offnight. I talked one down to $170 last summer, but ended up not taking her and going to a normal club... it felt like a small victory in a long war.
Spark78:
What is good in Moscow? Depends on your budget. If money is no object, than the strip clubs are great. All you ever wanted to know about strip clubs can be found in 109's reports, there is a link to some of them in the Reports of Distinction thread. If money is at least a secondary concern, then internet girls/escorts/salons. If you have the time and inclination, the single best thing about Moscow is the freebie market, clubs, parties and debauched sex.
Hello, friends!
I would like to present you the selection of Kiev (Peter, Moscow) prostitutes. All have quite normal pictures in their questionnaires, so you can make it out. Here is the selection itself:
Janet 25 (60$ for hour, 100$ for 2 hours, 200$ for night)
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/alimila[/url]
(7-812-972-12-26, 1500RUR for hour 2500RUR for 2 hours)
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/likaaa3000[/url]
(8-911-242-36-00, 3000RUR for hour)
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/magda555[/url]
(8-921-780-60-84, 1500RUR for hour)
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/tetka01[/url]
(8-905-222-35-66, 1800RUR for hour)
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/gannetta1[/url]
(8-904-332-75-19, 1800RUR for hour)
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/wlada4[/url]
(8-911-176-13-13, 1800RUR for hour)
You have to be registered to see the big pictures. Registration is free and if you know what and where you should push it will take a couple of minutes. Just don't ask how much time it took for me :))
So, how to be registered:
1. Click on the word "Регистрация" (Registration) at the upper left.
2. If a questionnaire did not appear push the big green button named "Регистрация"(Registration).
3. Fill the questionnaire:
"Логин" = enter your login (try make your login longer so it won't be already occupied, but if is occupied the system will suggest to choose the other variant)
"Пароль" = password
"еще раз"(once again) = here you shall repeat your password
E-mail - well, you know what to do :))
"Ваше имя:"(Your name) - just enter your name here. Actually you can write here anything, but it should consist of one word.
"Ваш пол:"(Your sex) - choose your sex ("Мужской"(male)/"Женский"(female))
"Дата рождения:"(Date of birth) - enter any date, but you have to choose something
"Место жительства:"(Place of residense) - you also have to choose something here
"С кем бы вы хотели познакомиться?"(Who you would like to become acquainted with?) - choose with whom you wish to become acquainted :)) (choose "с девушкой" = with a girl)
"Код:"(Code) - enter a code on a picture
"Я принимаю условия, изложенные в Соглашении о предоставлении услуг"(I accept the terms specified in Agreement about the grant of services) - put a mark and push the button "Зарегистрироваться"(Register).
You will get an e-mail, where you will find a link for confirmation of registration. In principle you can confirm it if you still gonna look for the girlies here, otherwise your questionnaire will just be removed in a day.
Well that's all! Have fun!!! :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Peasant:
There is a lot of truth in your post, but I really dont seem to get your point... :)
If I had a couple of mil I wouldnt live in Moscow, but I would go there on weekends and party my ass off.
Blastoff:
NF is Night Flight.
Dirk Dingy:
From what I remember prices are $250+ for 3 hours-night. You can probably talk girls down to $200 on an offnight. I talked one down to $170 last summer, but ended up not taking her and going to a normal club... it felt like a small victory in a long war.
Spark78:
What is good in Moscow? Depends on your budget. If money is no object, than the strip clubs are great. All you ever wanted to know about strip clubs can be found in 109's reports, there is a link to some of them in the Reports of Distinction thread. If money is at least a secondary concern, then internet girls/escorts/salons. If you have the time and inclination, the single best thing about Moscow is the freebie market, clubs, parties and debauched sex.[/QUOTE]
Doctor_Skank,
You said if you had a couple of million dollars you would NOT live in Moscow but just visit week ends, which surprised me.
May I ask IYHO where you would base yourself in the world if you were retired with a couple of mil and no wife and family?
bez... just a clarification... Odessa is not Russia and anything picked up there must still go through RU customs to get to Moscow.
Blastoff,
My first million is about a million away, but for the sake of argument...
I'd chose a place based on:
* location, should be within "striking distance" of EE
* weather, should be "continental weather" but generally comfortable
* social circles, I wouldnt want to be the only millionaire in the area
* comfort of living, I'd want to live close to a major metropolis, but not necessarily a megapolis like London, New York or Paris
A good place to be a millionaire would be the US, but is too far away from the "action" in my opinion.
Asia would also be fun, but the pure congestion of the cities would drive me nuts, as would constantly being surrounded by a culture completely foreign to my own.
I havent been to SA, so I cant comment on that, even though living on a hacienda somewhere does sound appealing. SA is a bit too far from everything (EE) as well though.
Europe is probably the best option, due to proximity to EE and high standard of living, as well as cultural compatibility.
I wouldnt want to live in Russia and wouldnt want to live in Ukraine either, which is still politically unstable. If stability were granted, Kiev MIGHT be an option, as it is a very pleasant city. Odessa is too small for my taste and just a holiday destination for me.
As I stated before, Moscow girls are my favorite and Moscow is one of my favorite cities, but living there, even for the super rich, can be quite uncomfortable. One of my current gfs is a millionaire's daughter and lives outside of town in a mansion on Rubloevskoe Shosse, where many of Moscow's elite live. Life is good out there, but she is also about an hour's drive (although she never drives, she is driven) from the city center and complains all the time about how Moscow life can drag one down. Traffic is a nightmare in Moscow if you try to drive across town (as it is with most "mega-cities") and the weather is also not particularly nice. Add water supply problems (even for the super rich), hassle from the government and police and latent political uncertainty and you have a few reasons not to live there. The best reason to live there would be the social life, as Moscow does tend to breed a party atmosphere and encourage decadent behavior. The people are generally good in all social classes, at least that has been my experience.
Having an apartment, or just visiting from time to time, even a few weeks at a time, would be great... but living there? I don't think so.
So if I had to choose, it would be somewhere in Europe... just not sure exactly where. I think I'll worry about that when the first million rolls in... :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff,
My first million is about a million away, but for the sake of argument...
I'd chose a place based on:
* location, should be within "striking distance" of EE
* weather, should be "continental weather" but generally comfortable
* social circles, I wouldnt want to be the only millionaire in the area
* comfort of living, I'd want to live close to a major metropolis, but not necessarily a megapolis like London, New York or Paris
A good place to be a millionaire would be the US, but is too far away from the "action" in my opinion.
Asia would also be fun, but the pure congestion of the cities would drive me nuts, as would constantly being surrounded by a culture completely foreign to my own.
I havent been to SA, so I cant comment on that, even though living on a hacienda somewhere does sound appealing. SA is a bit too far from everything (EE) as well though.
Europe is probably the best option, due to proximity to EE and high standard of living, as well as cultural compatibility.
I wouldnt want to live in Russia and wouldnt want to live in Ukraine either, which is still politically unstable. If stability were granted, Kiev MIGHT be an option, as it is a very pleasant city. Odessa is too small for my taste and just a holiday destination for me.
As I stated before, Moscow girls are my favorite and Moscow is one of my favorite cities, but living there, even for the super rich, can be quite uncomfortable. One of my current gfs is a millionaire's daughter and lives outside of town in a mansion on Rubloevskoe Shosse, where many of Moscow's elite live. Life is good out there, but she is also about an hour's drive (although she never drives, she is driven) from the city center and complains all the time about how Moscow life can drag one down. Traffic is a nightmare in Moscow if you try to drive across town (as it is with most "mega-cities") and the weather is also not particularly nice. Add water supply problems (even for the super rich), hassle from the government and police and latent political uncertainty and you have a few reasons not to live there. The best reason to live there would be the social life, as Moscow does tend to breed a party atmosphere and encourage decadent behavior. The people are generally good in all social classes, at least that has been my experience.
Having an apartment, or just visiting from time to time, even a few weeks at a time, would be great... but living there? I don't think so.
So if I had to choose, it would be somewhere in Europe... just not sure exactly where. I think I'll worry about that when the first million rolls in... :)[/QUOTE]
Excellent points of view many thanks.
Due to latest rumors, Marty (One of the incorporator partners of CF aka Doug&Marty Boar House) will be back in town to open a new club.
After the terrible fire at one of Doug’s clubs (two customers were dead), some people started to question the safety and quality of CF.
As I heard, Marty’s new establishment will be open in summer, there will no gambling, they try to recreate the glory days of CF again with this new club and the mongering will definitely be under covered.
Big Bro,
I read about a fire at a Moscow club, but didnt realize it was one of Doug's. Do you remember the name of the club?
In any case, a new mongering venue would be great!
Honeslty, I have no first hand info about it. My buddy from Moscow has been visiting me and he told me the story.
He loves to hang around at CF on Monday and Thursday nights. But he always complains about the low quality of the girls, aggravating services and unpleasent incidents.
Marty definetly knows better what the market needs...
As you will know if you have been following this forum, I have been putting in a lot of hours of research into my up coming visit to Russia this June/July.
The inherit problem, as I see it, is that if you want to enjoy numerous hot girls per day while your are there, it’s damn expensive. Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks adds up to a hell of a lot of money quickly. No matter how much money you have, you will soon run out spending it at that rate. Say u want 1, 2 or 3 hot girls per day depending on your drive and preferences, that could add up to a few grand per day depending on the quality of the girls and where you get them from, especially if you have champagne taste in women.
I have been chatting on line to many girls in Russia both in Moscow and in other smaller cities and the reaction I get from them is extraordinarily positive. I have been using the usual meeting sites like [url]www.lavalife.com[/url] and [url]www.friendfinder.com[/url] etc and I am having huge success on line. Now this doesn’t necessarily mean that they will all turn into bed partners but the reaction to my contact is amazing.
They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon.
They are ALL totally keen to come to my hotel in Moscow and stay with me for some days or weeks if I allow them to. They all talk like they want a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean much to a monger does it? :)
My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow and stay with me a few days or longer each at staggered periods . This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow. It also guarantees that they have to leave when I say because they don’t have the money to return home if I don’t pay for it.
So far I have had 100% agreement from all the girls that have responded to my initial emails, to come and spend some days with me in my hotel. No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there.
Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow. The girls from areas like Ioskar-Ola and Kazan seem to be very beautiful and VERY poor. Here we have a perfect combination for mongering heaven wouldn’t you agree?
This will make for an interesting subject so I invite any input and comments from all members especially those with some experience in this area.
If this works our for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL.
Let’s give it a spin.
Blastoff - good plan.
I will be in Moscow for a week, from about June 25. (I cancelled the St Pete part of my trip, as the pal I was going to stay with had to suddenly leave St Pete a few days ago. He came back to Dubai with a black eye. I don't believe his "skating accident" and "visa problem" story. ;))
I also dabble in the dating sites - but it takes up a hell of a lot of time (I'm doing some Dubai dating internet work currently -narrowed it down to a nice Russian and a keen Filipino, from many possible dates). Yes, the responses are usually good, but as you know, it can be hit and miss. But if they are offering to stay at your hotel (especially in their underwear ;), well that's surely a good sign. Of course they won't mention money, but they will expect something (at least gifts, and probably some "spending money").
I had success last year in Amsterdam with a gal who travelled from Paris to stay with me for the adventure and some gifts and the train fare. Good fun memories with a 20 y.o non-pro student. Now she wants to come to Dubai. Beware the baggage!
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]bez... Odessa is not Russia and anything picked up there must still go through RU customs.[/QUOTE]
Kanyeshna Nachalnik!
That's what the bribes are for. :)
The limits on imports are only for basing the prices to pay
tribute to your friend Mr. Customs Officer, its the cornerstone
of the whole fucking crooked FIS economy.
Blastoff:
Sounds like a great plan, here just a few comments:
"Even for a comfortable monger, paying $300 to$700 per night plus tips for a very hot chicks... "
$300-400/night is pretty standard for upper tier girls, but anything above $400 is paying above market prices. Expensive it is either way you look at it.
"champagne taste in women."
Well champagne is champagne, but what about sparkling white wine? :)
"I am having huge success on line."
Its relative... I learned to not "count my chicks before they hatch" or is we say, "until you got your dick wet, you haven't scored." But a start's a start and you are off to a running one.
"They all send me photos of themselves on request and some are photos are of them in their underwear. I have not yet received a naked photo but it wouldn’t surprise me if I get some soon."
Russian women do understand that they have to sell themselves somehow, and they know what men want and react to. I totally respect that honest and liberal approach.
"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."
Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."
"My thinking is to organise between 4 and 10 out of town girls to come to Moscow"
How long will you be in Moscow? Or what if your "busload" all shows up at the same time... :)
"This can be easily done by paying their bus fare of a few Roubles to Moscow."
Are you sure you want to subject them to a bus trip? Russia is seriously large and bus is a really shitty way to travel. Depending on the distance, they could be in the bus for a couple of days...
"No money has been discussed, only basic transport to my hotel and feeding them while there."
You dont have to pay them, although I do think they somehow expect you to be generous, which seems deserved based on how much effort they have to make to see you. Perhaps you could go shopping to a mid-level clothing store or provide them with "help for their school tuition". Being Mr.Cheapo after they arrive isnt going to make a great impression...
"Many of the girls are so poor they have never been to Moscow or travelled very far from where they were born and have only ever dreamed of having the money to visit Moscow."
That's golden... :) Dont count on the really good-looking ones on never having been anywhere though. A great-looking girl need not suffer for money anywhere in Russia. The really hot ones usually are sponsored somehow. Not all of course, but a girl knows what she has to do to survive. Perhaps in the really poor areas you can still find some true diamonds.
"If this works out for me easily, it may be an opening for mongers who love Russian women but can’t afford them LOL"
Don't be surprised if you end up spending a small fortune on your budget mongering scheme, but it'll still be less than you would spend on p4p 3 times a day.
Sounds like a cool plan, looking forward to hearing how it works out for you! And one more thing, make sure the girls know they are to come ALONE. A buddy of mine had the same scheme on a smaller scale and had a girl come in by train and she showed up with her DAD.... :)
People are always getting toasted in clubs in the US. A few years back 99 or 100 died in a club in RI. 20-30 in NYC. 20-30 in Chicago. One should always keep that in mind when going out. Club owners and promoters generally aren't the most safety minded people in the world. And this is the US the land of the lawsuit. There are more dangers then one thinks. Come to think of it, what would one do in the old 111 in Kiev if there was a fire. As far as I could see there was only one entrance/exit via the stairs. I wonder what the abandon ship drill is at River Palace. ;)
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Due to latest rumors, Marty (One of the incorporator partners of CF aka Doug&Marty Boar House) will be back in town to open a new club.
After the terrible fire at one of Doug’s clubs (two customers were dead), some people started to question the safety and quality of CF.
As I heard, Marty’s new establishment will be open in summer, there will no gambling, they try to recreate the glory days of CF again with this new club and the mongering will definitely be under covered.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Sounds like a cool plan, looking forward to hearing how it works out for you! And one more thing, make sure the girls know they are to come ALONE. A buddy of mine had the same scheme on a smaller scale and had a girl come in by train and she showed up with her DAD.... :)[/QUOTE]
What a great way to monger...
Shag her while her DAD/brother sleeps in the next room. ::)))
Do we also have to arrange girl for DAD/brother???
Blastoff,
Most of the girls are looking sugar daddies. Sponsored vacation to Moscow, little shopping and clubbing. These girls know to write the right words to make you happy and believe her.
Instead of sponsoring, explore the beauties of Moscow nightlife. Why do you want to stick with one or two girls? There are hundreds of girls as long as you have $200 in your pocket.
Moscow is full opportunities; you may easily find 7/8ish girls for $70-100/2 hours at daytime.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ] Blastoff,
Seriously, don't be a fool. Most of the girls are looking sugar daddies.
[/QUOTE]
Blastoff! It's a great plan. Of course they are looking for sugar-daddies. So what - it's a fair trade (a bit of shopping, clubbing, dinners etc, in return for some fun company and GFE carnal pleasures). Go for it. But like Dr Skank says, don't fill all your time with the internet dates. Keep some free time for non-sugar daddy mongering. My sugar-baby stayed with me two days. Good fun, but in the end I wanted her to go back home so I could be a bachelor monger again.
Blastoff,
Arranging girls via chat rooms is what most of us (including me) did. It’s hit and miss…As long as she lives in Moscow, it’s an adventurous way to find freebies. Arrange 2-3 girls, have a drink or late lunch (luckily most of them only eat salads or fruits), if you like each others, take her out at night and probably get laid at the second date (worst case scenario).
When you find a girl from a club/bar/tochka/internet; and don’t like her or don’t really find what you expect on sex than you only send her back. BUT, what are you gone do if you don’t like the girl you sponsor.
Besides how can you believe her that she really lives in another city. She speaks English and has access to Internet. If she is clever enough, she can easily arrange couples of guys for free summer holiday in Moscow. All she has to do is play the innocent country girl trick. I know it because it happened to me.
She will expect you to take her to fancy and popular clubs and shopping; breakfast-lunch-dinner is gone be pricey. Why do you bother yourself for sponsoring? Of course it’s your money, and none of my business; BUT as I understand this will be your first time in Moscow.
I humble think that sponsoring girls will definitely limits you and will cost you more.
Although Big Bro's concerns are valid, I'm not quite as suspicious as he is of the girl's intentions, but you should be careful.
As internet is one of my primary sources of new talent and most girls are fairly honest, I'm not quite as suspicious as I dont think they necessarily are coming to haul in the mother lode, but I am sure they would be very disappointed if they got "nothing but cuddles" out of it.
I also think that it would only be decent to reward them somehow, as it is quite an effort for a girl to ride a shitty bus across Russia (provided they even accept this as a legit mode of transport to meet their prince), take holiday from work or school, explain to her family and friends why and how she is going to Moscow, not to mention the latent anxiety of meeting a complete stranger and having to stay with him. I also assume that the girls, at least if they are smart, have a plan B in case you turn out to be a psycho. :)
Especially if they are really innocent girls as you suggest, a fair but not overdone "reward" would be very decent.
If she looks "polished" in her internet profile... nice hair, nice clothes etc. or shows pictures of herself on holiday in Turkey or whereever, you can almost be guaranteed that she has a sponsor and probably expects a bit more than the more plain student types would. Its still not a bad idea, but there really is the question of what do you do with her if she arrives and you dont like her? Just kicking her out on the street might sound great in theory, but you may then be surprised to find out how many "brothers" and "friends" in Moscow she suddenly has.
I'd still give it a go, for sure, but really dont overschedule. I dont know how long you are planning to stay, but bussing in new girls every second day is a bit much. Remember that Moscow nightlife is an energy vampire and although you may want to spend all your nights and days in the comfort of your hotel bed with your internet maiden, I am sure the girls are going to want to go out and see the town... and its restaurants and bars. They may not necessarily want "to paint the town red" (after all it is already red) but I am sure they expect some fun. If you arent careful, you could find yourself utterly drained and desperately wanting a break, even as you drive to the bus station to pick up Olga #3... :)
Blastoff,
If you quote, please don’t quote the all message and write one sentence. It takes too much space.
[QUOTE=Blastoff] ...I invite any input and comments from all members especially those with some experience in this.[/QUOTE]
Since you asked, here's how I did it last time. (Not in Moscow, but you've got me thinking about doing it for Moscow also). Very effective and efficient method. No time-wasting chat-rooms, no hours of "seduction" emailing back and forth. I simply put an ad on expatriates.com (Dubai section) which said something like this:
___________________
Free Trip to Amsterdam.
Married guy, late 30s [okay, I lied about my age!], travelling to Amsterdam for one week next month. I'm looking for a discrete and adventurous woman to join me for fun, adventure and intimate times. I'm professional, okay looking, fit and healthy, adventurous, and fun. Will be staying in a 5-star hotel, enjoying the sights and nightlife. Come and join me! email me at xxxxx
__________________
My plan was to bring a gal from Dubai (if I could find a suitable one), but I ended up with about 20 replies from all over the world. I settled on a Paris-born-and-bred student with an Arabic background. We only exhanged about 6 emails each over a few weeks. She politely backed out a few days before we were supposed to meet, which was fine by me. But when I arrived, I sent her an email telling her I'd arrived, and if she changed her mind, to let me know. She emailed me her phone number, we chatted about 10 minutes, and she hopped on the first train to Amsterdam. Try placing an ad.
PS - here she is.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]They all talk like they want a long term relationship but that doesn’t mean much to a monger does it? :)
..... It also guarantees that they have to leave when I say because they don’t have the money to return home if I don’t pay for it.[/QUOTE]
I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Blastoff - good plan.
I will be in Moscow for a week, from about June 25. (I cancelled the St Pete part of my trip, as the pal I was going to stay with had to suddenly leave St Pete a few days ago. He came back to Dubai with a black eye. I don't believe his "skating accident" and "visa problem" story. ;))
I also dabble in the dating sites - but it takes up a hell of a lot of time (I'm doing some Dubai dating internet work currently -narrowed it down to a nice Russian and a keen Filipino, from many possible dates). Yes, the responses are usually good, but as you know, it can be hit and miss. But if they are offering to stay at your hotel (especially in their underwear ;), well that's surely a good sign. Of course they won't mention money, but they will expect something (at least gifts, and probably some "spending money").
I had success last year in Amsterdam with a gal who travelled from Paris to stay with me for the adventure and some gifts and the train fare. Good fun memories with a 20 y.o non-pro student. Now she wants to come to Dubai. Beware the baggage![/QUOTE]
This is what i am talking about. Thanks for your input. Your mention about it taking a lot of time can be valid but I have got it down to 3 emails then I ask them to stay with me and they agree. Od corse I will buy them food and some small gifts if they are nice to me but these girls come from poor areas and it does not take much to make them happy compared toa Moscow stripper LOL.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Blastoff,
Arranging girls via chat rooms is what most of us (including me) did. It’s hit and miss…As long as she lives in Moscow, it’s an adventurous way to find freebies. Arrange 2-3 girls, have a drink or late lunch (luckily most of them only eat salads or fruits), if you like each others, take her out at night and probably get laid at the second date (worst case scenario).
When you find a girl from a club/bar/tochka/internet; and don’t like her or don’t really find what you expect on sex than you only send her back. BUT, what are you gone do if you don’t like the girl you sponsor.
Besides how can you believe her that she really lives in another city. She speaks English and has access to Internet. If she is clever enough, she can easily arrange couples of guys for free summer holiday in Moscow. All she has to do is play the innocent country girl trick. I know it because it happened to me.
She will expect you to take her to fancy and popular clubs and shopping; breakfast-lunch-dinner is gone be pricey. Why do you bother yourself for sponsoring? Of course it’s your money, and none of my business; BUT as I understand this will be your first time in Moscow.
I humble think that sponsoring girls will definitely limits you and will cost you more.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your comments. Sponsoring is not a word I am familiar with. I do NOT intend to send them money if that s what you are suggesting. The way to get rid of them if I don't like them in bed is this as I have done this in other countries. Firstly I buy her the ticket so she can come from where she is in the country to Moscow and mail it to her at her country address. This removes the possibility that if I send her cash for the ticket, she will not come and proves that she does live out of town. Secondly if I don't like her I either tell her so and send her back right away as the bus ticket is cheap or if she won't go for any reason, I move hotels and she won't find me. This is what I have done in SA before with success. Just my view.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Although Big Bro's concerns are valid, I'm not quite as suspicious as he is of the girl's intentions, but you should be careful.
As internet is one of my primary sources of new talent and most girls are fairly honest, I'm not quite as suspicious as I dont think they necessarily are coming to haul in the mother lode, but I am sure they would be very disappointed if they got "nothing but cuddles" out of it.
I also think that it would only be decent to reward them somehow, as it is quite an effort for a girl to ride a shitty bus across Russia (provided they even accept this as a legit mode of transport to meet their prince), take holiday from work or school, explain to her family and friends why and how she is going to Moscow, not to mention the latent anxiety of meeting a complete stranger and having to stay with him. I also assume that the girls, at least if they are smart, have a plan B in case you turn out to be a psycho. :)
Especially if they are really innocent girls as you suggest, a fair but not overdone "reward" would be very decent.
If she looks "polished" in her internet profile... nice hair, nice clothes etc. or shows pictures of herself on holiday in Turkey or whereever, you can almost be guaranteed that she has a sponsor and probably expects a bit more than the more plain student types would. Its still not a bad idea, but there really is the question of what do you do with her if she arrives and you dont like her? Just kicking her out on the street might sound great in theory, but you may then be surprised to find out how many "brothers" and "friends" in Moscow she suddenly has.
I'd still give it a go, for sure, but really dont overschedule. I dont know how long you are planning to stay, but bussing in new girls every second day is a bit much. Remember that Moscow nightlife is an energy vampire and although you may want to spend all your nights and days in the comfort of your hotel bed with your internet maiden, I am sure the girls are going to want to go out and see the town... and its restaurants and bars. They may not necessarily want "to paint the town red" (after all it is already red) but I am sure they expect some fun. If you arent careful, you could find yourself utterly drained and desperately wanting a break, even as you drive to the bus station to pick up Olga #3... :)[/QUOTE]
Good point. I plan to stay around one month so I will have time to experience all the different modes of mongering in that time frame. This is an idea that I feel will work and if the girl I don't like suddenly has brothers in Moscow then I will do a Harry Houdini and disappear to the Ukraine or Latvia for the rest of my stay. I don't intend to be a cheap Charlie and not buy her anything but what I do intend is to buy her things proportionate to how she treats me and her income back home. If she earns $100 a month and I spend $100 on her in 3 or 4 days, she should be happy with that especially if she has not been previously spoilt with foreigners.
[QUOTE=GandJim]I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Since you asked, here's how I did it last time. (Not in Moscow, but you've got me thinking about doing it for Moscow also). Very effective and efficient method. No time-wasting chat-rooms, no hours of "seduction" emailing back and forth. I simply put an ad on expatriates.com (Dubai section) which said something like this:
___________________
Free Trip to Amsterdam.
Married guy, late 30s [okay, I lied about my age!], travelling to Amsterdam for one week next month. I'm looking for a discrete and adventurous woman to join me for fun, adventure and intimate times. I'm professional, okay looking, fit and healthy, adventurous, and fun. Will be staying in a 5-star hotel, enjoying the sights and nightlife. Come and join me! email me at xxxxx
__________________
My plan was to bring a gal from Dubai (if I could find a suitable one), but I ended up with about 20 replies from all over the world. I settled on a Paris-born-and-bred student with an Arabic background. We only exhanged about 6 emails each over a few weeks. She politely backed out a few days before we were supposed to meet, which was fine by me. But when I arrived, I sent her an email telling her I'd arrived, and if she changed her mind, to let me know. She emailed me her phone number, we chatted about 10 minutes, and she hopped on the first train to Amsterdam. Try placing an ad.
PS - here she is.[/QUOTE]
I think a news paper add is an excellent option and an addition to the method I suggested. I will definitely do that as well to see the reaction, in fact I may arrange an add in the Moscow Ex-pat English papers soon advising the girls I will be in Moscow June and July and see what kind of reaction I get. Can some one tell me the name of the main ex-pat paper in Moscow please. I will keep you posted o the results.
[QUOTE=GandJim]I suppose this means you won't tell them you're not after long term relationship, while they are. If you feel like cheating naive girls looking for a way to bail out of their misery and kicking them out hitch hiking home once you've shagged them, why not. We all take advantage of the fact that some of these girls are poor and desperate, to which extend is up to each one.[/QUOTE]
You have misunderstood me. I would NEVER leave them on the street. Even if I hated them from the first meeting I would still pay for there trip home and give them some money. Hope that clears this up.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.[/QUOTE]
I hear what you are saying but there are always more than two sides to an argument. You are suggesting that all these girls are young and innocent with good morals. I am suggesting that just as many of these girls are scammers and will lie and cheat me if they can as there are good ones amongst them.
Most of them are lying to me from the start when I ask them about there past relationships etc. I have an excellent bull shit metre built into me and can ell liars easily.
Who knows that if I or other mongers meet a genuine girl who is who she says she is and can fall in love for the right reasons and not only for money as many girls look at us like we are only walking automatic teller machines which they can withdraw money out of all the time thus treating us like dumb ass idiots, we may just fall in love with the right girl. Time will tell but in my 20 year experience around the world, most girls I have met lied to me about themselves and their life history. I hope I do meet a genuine and serious girl as you are suggesting in my endeavours in Russia.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff:
"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."
Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."
In most cases if they say so, they still hope. And I think the best way is to find balance: be romantic enough (simple pleasant behavior will suit) and at the same time not make any hooks for future (no hints on marrige, children and so on... you are just having fun today, it's great, but who knows what will happen later... life is hard to predict, let's enjoy the moment). Problems start when you promise too much of what you can't do =))))
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow][QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff:
"They all talk like they want a long term relationship..."
Of course they talk like that, but that doesnt mean they really think it'll happen. I assume most understand that it is a sex holiday with an option for more. As often with Russian girls, you just have to package your desires in a romantic or acceptable way. Flat out asking for sex or a fling may also work sometimes, but it will also get a lot of "doors slammed in your face."
In most cases if they say so, they still hope. And I think the best way is to find balance: be romantic enough (simple pleasant behavior will suit) and at the same time not make any hooks for future (no hints on marrige, children and so on... you are just having fun today, it's great, but who knows what will happen later... life is hard to predict, let's enjoy the moment). Problems start when you promise too much of what you can't do =))))[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree fully. The problem lays with the fact that so far all my internet chat girls say they are looking for marriage and children in the first or second email. It is hard for me to say NO as it would defeat the purpose but I do use your methods of romance and say things like, "Time will tell and It's up to God what will come out of this " etc. All of this is true in fact as I was once married for 10 years so the possibility is still there. It is just unlikely that's all
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Sorry, but what you just said is complete nonsence. If a girl says she is after long-term relationships, in most cases she really believes in such a possibility and treats you another way. She may tell her parents about a nice guy she met and with who she hopes for a happy future. In most cases these girls are young and don't expect to be used and be thoughned away as dirty piece of toilet paper. And afterwards she may cry for half a year or more and not understand what wrong she had done for her lover to quit with her. That's not fare exchange for kind attitude. You may say something like: "Oh, Helena, again you, shut your mouth, life is unjust..." But guys, we all human beings. Just imagine yourself in this place, or your daughter, or sister. Would you like someone to do this to them? What would your feelings be? Ok, you want to fuck as much girls as possible. There's nothing wrong about this. Fucking is fun. And there are enough girls ready to fuck with no obligations. Both for money and free. There is no importance to cheat those who want to marry and behave like pigs. It's same as robbery, but worse, because you steal from young girls (young, because you'll hardly be able to cheat mature woman this way) believe and trust to others. It's much more worthy then several hundred dollars you plan to save.[/QUOTE]I'm in agreement with Helena.
On my first trip to Russia, I met a girl that I "met" on a marriage site. I slept with her a couple times then I quickly got tired of her because there were so many stunningly beautiful girls around and I didn't have enough time to chase them. Keep in mind that it was my first ever trip to Russia so my resistence level was low, I was like a kid in a candy store. Anyhow I do think that she was a nice enough girl. I didn't know her situation very well but I knew (in hindsight only, I wasn't thinking at all at the time) she wanted to get out of her situation and I was probably her only way out. Long story short I saw her again in a hospital a few days later after I had stopped seeing her. It was obvious even to a dumb ass like me that she had been crying and she was heartbroken. I felt guilty. I lied to her in our emails that I was looking for marriage, I continued to lead her to believe that when I was in Russia, I slep with her than dumped her for other girls. I broke her heart and I shattered the last hope she had. She was so happy when we first met in person. I guess at first she didn't believe that I'd show up and I guess she liked what she saw and I treated her fairly well. I could see in her eyes that she was so happy to meet me and she liked me so much. Both her and her friend thought she hit the jackpot. I then dumped her shortly after. I guess they were both sadly mistaken about me. I was an asshole and a liar. In normal dating, you win some and you lose some. Sometimes people get hurt. But in this case I lied to her, I took advantage of her situation. Although I never promised her anything either in the mails or in person, I did lead her to believe that I was looking for love. I don't know how she's doing now. But I always feel bad about what I did. I would like to ask people monger with care and responsibility in Russia. Some of the girls live in dire situation and are sincerely looking for a knight in shining armor to save them, they're not out to cheat or use us for money. They just want to meet a decent guy that can make their lives a little better, at least it was the case of my girl. Since then I stopped using marriage sites and stopped telling girls that I was looking for a relationship or love. I simply tell them I like to travel and I'm simply a vistor (either in peron or on dating sites). That probably hurts my chance a great deal but I still had a lot of fun especially that I could live with myself. I was honest and I still had a ton of fun. It's so easy to get laid in Russia, there's no need to lie. Some of the girls really have high hopes and are putting their future on the foreigners they meet online. Just remember there's karma.
bbaj... If Marty returns this will not be his first venture to try to steal the CF/boarhouse mystic... He opened another club a couple of years ago, as I recall, but it never did too much. However, if CF closes it may have an opening.
bo... I appreciate your enthusiasm about the internet and bringing girls to Moscow, but you would do well to listen to doc and others. A new girl every other day or so is a killer. Moscow is a whole new world for both you and, maybe, your 'girl'. If she has not been to Moscow you will have to do the tourist thing, which is not bad the first couple of times you do it, but gets very old after awhile. Besides the dead guy is only open in the morning on some days and closed other days. :)
More importantly, my experience with bringing girls in for longer periods is a real mixed bag... it is a gamble whether you will get along and have the chemistry to make it happen for you and at the same time that she will be what you expected or you what she expects. On top of that, I don't think you realize what you are asking for a girl to spend as long as two days on a stinking bus to come visit you for a couple of days. Something doesn't compute with that on the girl's part...
Besides, I doubt that you would want to be with her after she has spent two nights on a bus bouncing her way to Moscow. Even a train is a long trip, but I suggest that you consider limiting your radius of searches to a reasonable distance from Moscow.
Quite frankly, I think you are falling in the seductive trap of over planning your trip. If you schedule every minute of your time with internet friends, what happens if you really like one of them and another Elena is on the bus headed your way? What happens if you get sick of her and just want to have a beer and soak up Moscow? I can tell you from personal experience that it is a real downer to tell a girl that you don't like her after an hour and then try to put her back on a plane/train/bus/automobile!
Not only that, but you must allow yourself time and energy to find the bus/train station, each RU city's trains/buses may arrive at a different station, then fighting traffic to get there and back to your flat, then doing the same thing to take her back and then to pick up a new girl. Believe me it is much easier to plan than to accomplish... especially if you don't speak Russian and know Moscow! As a start, I suggest you find out how many train stations there are and where they are located in the city... I promise you they are spread out all over the city... the bus stations are probably worse!
Chances are that some of these girls will be scammers and some will be VERY nice girls who are just looking for a better life with a good man. The scammers can easily be discarded but the nice girls are difficult, at least for me, to deal with because they are playing by what they think the rules are and then the door is slammed in their face because a new Elena is arriving.
At the same time, just because you've invited them for two days doesn't mean that they think that they will have to leave in two days... Their expectations may be totally different than yours.
On top of all of that, I suggest to you that an overplanned trip will quickly fall apart because you'll soon find that there is so much in Moscow to be absorbed that you'll regret not being able to experience it all while you are there! I've done exactly the same thing, and it is fun while you plan your trip, but when your feet hit the ground everything changes and you will be pulled in many directions, quite willingly I imagine. Take this for what it is worth... Don't be disappointed if your plans go to shit shortly after you arrive... That is what Moscow is all about and go with the flow and enjoy the ride!
One last comment, and I don't want to burst your bubble of enthusiasm, when you wire money to any girl... write it off! Don't fret if she doesn't show up... count it as a gift as soon as you give Western Union the cash. Also, don't count on having to just pay the girl for the bus/train ticket... on a long trip she must buy her food along the way or before she leaves. If you send her exact change, don't count on a happy camper when she arrives... IF she arrives. Besides, unless she is totally new to the internet game, don't expect that you being the first.. at anything! Always remember... She may be getting HUNDREDS of new emails every day! And then, unless you are a Brad Pitt look-alike, ask yourself exactly what are you offering to make her drop everything and ride a bus/train for hours/days to meet you?
Apparently, the club Coconuts burned down over Christmas. According to my source, one person died, but the cause has not been determined. I've been told that Doug consulted but didn't have any money in the place although you never really know who's into what in Moscow. Things are never what they seem...
As it was once written about Moscow for non-Moscovites, "The only 'experts' on Moscow are those who have been here for two weeks or twenty years!"
Helena Moscow,
Thank you for your honest and realistic comments. Woman’s perspective (especially a Russian woman) adds a lot to our conversations. .
Blastoff,
You remind me a friend of mine. He went to Moscow like all the girls were dying to get laid with him. He acted like brick, cause he thought money was enough for the girls. But he forgot that money wasn’t that important. And all he got was his skinny Korean interpreter.
Girls probably know that you are on sex vacation, it doesn’t matter it lasts 1 week or 1 month. I have never been to SA, and don't want to; just watch yourself, Russia and Russian people is unique and doesn’t look like SA.
You really have no clue about the Russian women and their expectations from the normal or look a like relation. I am not talking about pros.
Things are too easy with pro. cause you only borrow her time and friendship for couple of hours or a night. Both sides acting like close friends and we call it GFE, if she is too talented and very very open minded than we call it PSE.
In last 2 years, I have met hundreds of girl from Russia, Belarus, Moldavia and Ukraine. I am a sex addict and damn I am good at it. But in last 5 moths I have a serious relation with a Moldavian girl. She is 24 years old but she is a mamushka. Once I was her customer; now I am her boyfriend. She has 8 girls and 3 of them live with her. So I have a chance to understand them closely. Moldavia or Russia, it doesn’t matter, their view of life and expectations are similar. These girls lived in small towns; most of them are only 20 or 21 years old. Some lost their virginity in their first day at job. They are in adult business but have very strong religious belief. All they want is to save enough money to establish their own business and buy a nice house.
They have a simple life; they are dreaming their prince charming to save them. Most of the time the prince is a foreigner, and his age doesn't matter. A warm hug or a kiss, a nice dinner or a simple gift make them feel important for you. If she feels secure and important for you than she truly dedicates herself.
You are dreaming that you are gone present a life that a small town girl never have a chance to live and in return she jumps on your bed. WOW…why don’t we think about it before?
I don’t envy you or try to start a fight but I believe your approach to Russian girls is wrong. I thought mongering has some un written morality rules.
CA Traveler,
I hear and take on board what your are saying thanks. This is not my first mongering trip or my first trip to Europe, only my first trip to Moscow. Same dog different fleas as they say.
Regarding my over planning, I think you misinterpreted my intention in starting this thread. It is to share my current experiences with Russian girls and to listen to veterans like you and absorb. I have no doubts that I will be swept along with the flow of Moscow and yes I don't want to get stuck with the “Olga from hell” for a week but it has never and will never happen to me because I will make it go away one way or an other if I have to. ;)
I don't intend to have 10 girls in 20 days turn up to my hotel even though my earlier comments may have sounded a bit like that. I am suggesting that this method is an alternative to the other forms of mongering available in Russia. I will certainly partake in mongering on all levels while I am in Moscow regardless of the cost, I just don't want to leave any stone unturned because life is all about experiences and I have always been an "outside the square" thinker.
Thanks again for your comments and you help.
Well Blastoff, you asked for a discussion on your plan, and you got one. Interesting points being made; the key points being: don't overdo it (have some breathing space), and don't lead the gals astray with promises of a long relationship. If you are honest with them about your intentions you will lose a few of your potential visitors, but the ones who do come to stay for the mini-vacation and adventure will be more comfortable with you.
I still think it's a good plan.
Who knows? You may just end up falling for one of the gals, and leaving Moscow a married man! A few years down the track, there will be the patter of little Victor and Anya Blastov. ;)
cheers
Piper
PS - let us know how it pans out
This is true, you have about summed up most of the comments here. I will take them all on board.
No matter what country I travel to, romance NEVER goes a stray. It always helps set the mood whether the girl is a hardened prop or new at all this, if I am kind to them and sweet and listen to what they have to say, it goes miles for me. Charm is VERY important and I have dated Russian girls and other EE girls here in my own country so I do have a good idea of there expectations.
Thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread, I am sure it has been a great help to others not only to me.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]I hear what you are saying but there are always more than two sides to an argument. You are suggesting that all these girls are young and innocent with good morals. I am suggesting that just as many of these girls are scammers and will lie and cheat me if they can as there are good ones amongst them.
Most of them are lying to me from the start when I ask them about there past relationships etc. I have an excellent bull shit metre built into me and can ell liars easily.
.[/QUOTE]
I don't say that all of them are innocent, but some of them are. And they can be seriously hurt by such an attitude. I know that some girls are liars. There are enough monsters among everybody. But for what reason become one of them? I mean, if the girl speaks she needs serious relationships, better believe her, because she may tell you the truth, even if it doesn't look so. Probably what you call shit metre is just paranoya, because you are angry for those who cheated you before? In any case, it's better to find those who initially agrees for your conditions and not cheat those who doesn't. You will always find company in Moscow, don't worry, there's no chance here for you to stay alone. We have much more girls then guys. And we like fun-loving men, especially when they are honest =))
[QUOTE=Blastoff]I think a news paper add is an excellent option and an addition to the method I suggested. I will definitely do that as well to see the reaction, in fact I may arrange an add in the Moscow Ex-pat English papers soon advising the girls I will be in Moscow June and July and see what kind of reaction I get. Can some one tell me the name of the main ex-pat paper in Moscow please. I will keep you posted o the results.[/QUOTE]
For such purpose "Exile" will be perfect and inexpensive =)) Also can try "Moscow Courier", but it's not so funny as the first one. "Moscow Times" and "Moscow Tribune" absolutely serious.
Tel. of "Exile" 795-33-76. They speak English.
Privet to all readers!
I read all disscussion on this topic including posts from Blastoff and Helena and tend to agree more with Helena even though I understood Blastoff points clearly because in couple of weeks I am going to visit Russia and have a lot of fun.
But, I am planning in no way to give anybody idea that I am looking for something serious. I am speaking Russian and on russian dating website I placed my profile and get some responses.
I let girls know that I am traveling for a few weeks and I am no looking for anything serious and just would like to have fun.
There is no mention sex free or paid. I will travel outside of Moscow in some places for personal interest and I already figured out 3 girls in those sities: two of them already gave to me their phone # and I expect the last one to follow soon.
I will be happy just to have somebody to hang with in their native places, be happy and if their is no sex not a problem I will find it because in Russia it is not a problem.
I do not have any connection with girls in Moscow yet because I decided to concentrate on proffesionals there or semiprof.
Yes to pretty, smart russian girls
Yes to parties
Yes to happiness
Yes to great sex
Yes to great conversations
Yes to great memories
No to lies
No to hurt feelings
No to sex slaves
No to morning headaches
No to something I will regret rest of my life.
Lover
Helena Moscow
Your right in that I should and will seperate the honest and innocent girls from the ones who want to enjoy my company for a short time.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]For such purpose "Exile" will be perfect and inexpensive =)) Also can try "Moscow Courier", but it's not so funny as the first one. "Moscow Times" and "Moscow Tribune" absolutely serious.
Tel. of "Exile" 795-33-76. They speak English.[/QUOTE]
Great info. I do not know you yet but I presume from the way you write that you are a Muscovite and may be a female also. Am I right?
[QUOTE=Lover]Privet to all readers!
I read all disscussion on this topic including posts from Blastoff and Helena and tend to agree more with Helena even though I understood Blastoff points clearly because in couple of weeks I am going to visit Russia and have a lot of fun.
But, I am planning in no way to give anybody idea that I am looking for something serious. I am speaking Russian and on russian dating website I placed my profile and get some responses.
I let girls know that I am traveling for a few weeks and I am no looking for anything serious and just would like to have fun.
There is no mention sex free or paid. I will travel outside of Moscow in some places for personal interest and I already figured out 3 girls in those sities: two of them already gave to me their phone # and I expect the last one to follow soon.
I will be happy just to have somebody to hang with in their native places, be happy and if their is no sex not a problem I will find it because in Russia it is not a problem.
I do not have any connection with girls in Moscow yet because I decided to concentrate on proffesionals there or semiprof.
Yes to pretty, smart russian girls
Yes to parties
Yes to happiness
Yes to great sex
Yes to great conversations
Yes to great memories
No to lies
No to hurt feelings
No to sex slaves
No to morning headaches
No to something I will regret rest of my life.
Lover[/QUOTE]
Good for you and I hope you have a wonderful trip. I look forward to your report when you return.
One thing I think that you may be overlooking is that no matter how clear you are with a woman that you only want some fun, if she likes you, she will hope for more from your relationship and there is nothing you can do about it. Your clear and honest words will not stop her from falling for you. This is the same in all countries and same with all women. They tend to fabricate a relationship or a strong hope for a relationship in their minds and hearts no matter how clear you have been with them to the contrary, so no matter what, when dealing with regular girls, you WILL hurt their feelings in the end when your relationship ends be it 1 week or one year later.
Best regards
Lover:
Well besides making me almost retch with your syrupy plaedoyer to the goodness of men, you did bring up an interesting question.
If you are going to be dating several Russian girls and having casual "meaningless" sex with them sooner or later you are going to stomp on somebody's heart, whether you intend to or not. That just comes with the territory. Some girls just take sex very seriously. As for regretting it for the rest of your life, your only hope is to drown your sorrows in the arms of another one.
Just my two cents.
Blastoff:
So you finally figured out the Helena is a girl and from Moscow? What did you think she was, a transvestite from Himki? She's also a businesswomen and can arrange a girl or three for you.
You really need to RTFF.... again, just my two cents.
Damnit, that's four cents already.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Great info. I do not know you yet but I presume from the way you write that you are a Muscovite and may be a female also. Am I right?[/QUOTE]
Right. Muscovite, female...
I am sorry guys but I think I did not explain myself clearly.
I am not perfect and I understand that when two people involved everything possible and I do not have as much experience as some of you.
It is very possible that it will not go to direction that I would like to but I am talking about that from the start I will not lie to girls that I am looking for somebody to get married and for love of my life etc.
I am polite and not stupid enough to offer to her to go to bed right away but I do not give any ideas about possible long time relationships.
When two people have chemistry which is happens sometimes I would assume it can be difficult to say goodbay and I guess it can happen to girl in Russia easier because we are as western guys have more often buying power, we polite, clean, and often associated with prince on a white horse who can take girl away.
Most russian girls probably read book by famous write Alex Green "Alie Parusa" (or at least seen movie) as one rich young man coming and take girl away in fair tale place.
There is many of girls who always remember about it but I just would like them to remember me as funny guy with whom they had a great time.
Lover
Doctor_Skank
So you finally figured out the Helena is a girl and from Moscow? What did you think she was, a transvestite from Himki? She's also a businesswomen and can arrange a girl or three for you.
Blastoff
I think I would like some of what ever you are on today as you seem in a high mood LOL.
As I have been on this Moscow site for a total of under 2 weeks, forgive me for not knowing every member/poster in detail.
I can only pray that when I grow up I will be a wise as you are.;)
P.S. I have started my basic Russian course today.
Blastoff:
No harm no foul, I was just commenting that reading the older posts of the forum... or at least the "reports of distinction", will often answer many of your questions. Generally speaking, much of which is enquired about on ISG has already been answered a dozen times. Helena_M can also be found in the classified ads section. We are glad the Helena offers her female insight to our humble gang of sex-hungry men.
Learning Russian? That's great... even the basics can vastly improve your experience.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Blastoff:
No harm no foul, I was just commenting that reading the older posts of the forum... or at least the "reports of distinction", will often answer many of your questions. Generally speaking, much of which is enquired about on ISG has already been answered a dozen times. Helena_M can also be found in the classified ads section. We are glad the Helena offers her female insight to our humble gang of sex-hungry men.
Learning Russian? That's great... even the basics can vastly improve your experience.[/QUOTE]
I was just playing a bit of fun back at you. No offence taken. I am a fun loving guy also and can take as good as I give when it comes to kidding around.
Your comments and opinions are always welcome and appreciated.
dear friends,
as i told you before i was trying to get some girls sponsored via [url]www.omen.ru[/url]. just a different way of getting some nice gfe i was supposing. so i met (via icq and mail) some interesting girls, most of them sending pictures, and getting interesting chat on icq.
finally i chose (for a weekend) iriska (irina) real name. a black haired (not natural) 175 cm normal bodied 22 y.o.
i met in a bar also a chubby blondinka, 20 y.o. which would be perfect for really heavy sex (like fantasies on anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]!)… so soft and still hard with very long blonde hair and a piggy face. i had even contacts with a 18 y.o. with incredible tits… but i will go for them next time
the only thing iriska made clear from once was no anal. no anal at all. that was a pity but ok… we agreed on 650 euros (three nights and two days).
what have i to say… the food and extras she wanted was really low cost! some skating. some food, she was eating very little (but drinking!) and i got here some nice lingerie from italy for 60 euros, so totally i think that the expenses was around 800 euros approx what is going for a same level overnighter. but i had no stress in theft (i had copies of passport, and she was regularly registered in the hotel) we were going around by the way skating at gorki park.
the best was sex. despite no anal and no pron pictures (ad she said), the girl was willing and open. she said she had no sex for one month (?!?) and with normal fucking on the evenings and mornings (some daytime too) i felt she was enjoying it in some manner.
the best in any case was the first evening…
she was so kind that she even got a little permanent make up.. an go allergic!
we met in the lobby and we had agreed that she will check in and i showed her the room, a suite with an office and a bedroom… i usually take it for working on ground there is fax, printer pc, fast internet safe etc (lux suite at izmailovo delta).
so we took some aperitif. i was not drinking much, she took a couple of big glass full with martini bianco. then it was the time for dinner. as a lot of russian girls go for sushi… then it cames out that they do not like it… so i got it. during the waiting time (the little sushi restaurant in the lobby of izmailovo is a good quality/price compromise, always fresh in any case). iriska was going on with 200 grams of vodka and sok as usual… she was a little shy. i held me to beer.
then we went up and she drunk approx some more shots of vodka (i had a full stoked fridge).
we had nice sex for a while she was making good bbbj. at the end she asked me if i wanted cim… of course!
so she started sucking like a vacuum cleaner and i was holding firmly her head and finally she did not got a cim but a real sci (stomach cum injection), impossible not to swallow! just gave me a smile and then started again with martini.
from that first sex every one ended with a bbbj with cim (i like it too much) and a couple of swallowing, mostly she was going to the bath and then taking a drink…
but the first evening she was drinking a little bit too much so she quickly fell asleep, drunk. i was thinking to take naked shots on her, but i did not…
after a wile i was still awake and horny, and she was sleeping. so i started to touch her.. she became immediately wet, very wet and just rolling in the bed… when i got inside her she waked up… she was still a little bit drunk, but very excited… swollen lips, dripping pussy, hard clito and erected nipples… if she was simulating she needs an award! we started a really heavy fuck in all position and after a while i asked for a cof… and she answered if you like… so it was done and photographed.. but she was very angry no more porn photos… ok i said!
in the photo section you will see some pics of irinka. no privacy problems on ground she have openly advertised on internet with her real face…
finally a positive experience (nice gfe) with at least 9-10, i do not remember now, cims, a lot of fucking and one cof. but a three night program with all the day fucking is a little bit too much, next time i will go for a two nights.
pictures in the pics section.
It Travel,
Hail the chief….
How come you agreed on no Greek.
Very cool report on sponsorship!
Its great to read a report about someone trying something other than the standard NF-CF approach or the salons/internet. Thanks for your efforts and the details, not to mention the pictures.
800 € all incl. is probably a good price for 3days/2 nights it seems you certainly "got your sex worth" on the investment.
For that price though I probably would have taken 3 NF/CF or Internet overnighters, which run between 150-300 €/night. Service from your girl was very GFE, but then again variety is the spice of life... :)
Just a question, did you ever enquire what you girl wanted per night? Would she have done all night with you for 150-200 €? Or did you prefer the package deal and not worrying about finding a new girl every night? Especially the business traveller often doesnt have much time to go hunting every night...
Yo It Travel,
In turkish there is a saying ; "These ways are legitimate to you"
It means do it in your own way, we just admire you :)
By the way thanks for quick looking!
It was three nights (from Friday to Monday) and two days (Saturday and Sunday)…
I think it was worth the money… Of course as usual some problems… Like no porn photo (except when she was drunk) and a little bit stinking pussy the first day (but she had been sitting in the office and running all the day… I think I will have stinking cock too!).
Yes I agreed for no anal… I’m very sad for that I saw it so tight! Instead of fucking her sleeping… but I suppose she had been awake in pain!
For me the most important in this short agreement was CIM COF and SWALLOWING!!!
By the way the next I want to take up (the blonde chubby) agrees for total sex (including CIM) so let’s see.
It is right that variety is the spice of life… then I get this good rooms (where NF/CF do not want to come in Izmailovo) so I save money other where…
To you Doctor Skank she asks for 6.000 RUR night… but now she cut off her ad from [url]www.omen.ru[/url], so I think she is ok for next month or two. I found out she both has a Visa and a Master Card (?!?) and getting Instalments at 60 USD a month (I do not know for what)…
IT
It Traveller,
was all the deal done in Russian?
I mean chatting over the web and the time together in Moscow.
I ask it because the site you used seems to be only in Russian.
is it a problem trying the same experience in English or Italian (I’m Italian too)
thx by
Hope you are all well.
As I have mentioned on this post recently, I am having regular emails contact form around 10 Russian (regular girls LOL) so they say, from different parts of the country but they all seem to email me the same content of their letters which to me, makes for suspicion of an organised scam even though they all claim that I am the ONLY man they write to on the net LOL. The other common denominator is that these girls were all met on [url]www.friendfinder.com[/url]. The content of there emails is so similar, I ask for you experienced advice. I have NO intention of sending any one I have not met money for anything, I just want to hear if others have received similar emails and why are ALL these girls so intent on coming to my country for a few weeks first up. When I have said NO to a couple of them and said I will come to them, some have stopped email me.
I am suggesting a visa scam or a money scam where you send money and they don't arrive but as it is the common denominator, please offer your esteemed input.
Thanks
Email Part 1
Today I have seriously thought as well as where it is better to us to meet, I have considered all variants, and
have solved that the best way for our meeting will be if I to you
shall arrive, because it will be better, more cheaply and more
conveniently for you and for me, I have the girlfriend who works in a
travel company, it will help me to legalize all papers very quickly, I have made this decision on that that in Russia very much not safely to be to foreigners, Russia is very complex, dangerous, severe country, here very much do not love foreigners, you can beat in the street, in Russia is a lot of nazis whom go crowds on streets and beat foreign citizens, yesterday I looked news on the TV and there have told, that some young men have attacked foreign family, they very strongly them have beaten, and have made it some wounds by a knife, all family now is in hospital in a grave condition, I was very strongly upset by these news, I would not want that with you that that happens, I would not want that you came to Moscow, I wish to arrive to you, in your country it is very safe, I think to us there it will be better!!!!!!!!!! What do you think of it???????????
Email Part 2
Today I have decided to
descend to the girlfriend who works in a travel company and all from
it{her} to learn, the girlfriend has told: That we with it can issue
all over again the tourist visa, it very simply and cheaply, it is not
necessary for this purpose any sanction of your authorities, I simply
shall arrive to you as the tourist, we with the girlfriend have chosen
the longest round, I shall stay at you approximately more than two
weeks, for this time we shall even better get acquainted and then I
think, together we would shall legalize all papers that I could leave
to live to you, the girlfriend has told, that it is the best variant,
it very simply and cheaply, we with it shall legalize all papers very
quickly, for me it is not complex, I very strongly you love, I wish to
be with you as soon as possible, I cannot more wait our meeting, I ask
you Claudio please allow meet as I offer, I assure you, is very good
variant, I shall make all very quickly, with documents of problems
will not be, and at once shall go to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Claudio I have
some savings to me does not suffice 990 $, therefore I ask from you
not all cost of a trip but only a part, I saved these savings some
years, at me very small income therefore I cannot pay all trip, it is
very a shame to me to ask from you money, but at me other output is
not present, I would not have sufficient means that to you to arrive,
I ask you Claudio please help me to arrive to you, I promise you I
shall make of you the happiest man, us will be very good together, it
will be most unforgettable two weeks in our life, I cannot without you
live, I urgently want to you to arrive as soon as possible, only you
can organize our meeting!!!!!!! Let time up to our meeting flies as a
wind and when we shall be together it will stop for ever! I shall wait
from you for the new letter. Sincerely, Yours forever.
Hey, funny that you post this.
I had 4 girls, which I met on myspace from the Ukriane, I was trying to make friends for a trip I did a few weeks ago.
Anyway, 3 girls always e-mailed me the same time, all said that they can meet me but can't provide a contact number. All 3 e-mailed me with very similer texts and in perfect english! But, after 5-6 e-mails from each of them, I get an e-mail from each one stating that the agency that use to write these texts of their behalf, their money has run out and that I would need to pay for me to keep receiving e-mails from them!
This is one of them;
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Thank you for the opportunity to write to you again and your sincere interest in me. I feel you become not just a friend for me. More serious feelings are growing inside me. My girlfriends don't understand me. They played tricks on me, when I started to search a friend through the Internet. But the matter is that I am disappointed in Ukrainian men. In our country there is a very difficult economic situation. We have too practical men who think only about money or entertainment. Some of them just drink and don't make any attempt to survive in this life. You can't rely on them. Their behavior is very rude. It hurts me a lot. Certainly, there are good men in our country but, as a rule, they are already engaged. Probably, it's possible to meet the right man in a cafe, cinema, but I have no time and enough money to go somewhere. The only thing I can afford is going to the concerts of classical music.
It occurs to me now, that our correspondence can lead to something more, to more close relations between us. I didn't expect that I would miss your letters so much. I think about you all day long. I imagine how we spend our days off together, we fall asleep and get up together. What do you think of taking a shower with me? I had a dream last night. I saw myself standing in front of the mirror and combing my long hair. I was wearing a light short silk dressing-gown. You came to me from behind, embraced me gently, slowly unfastened my dressing-gown. I felt your passionate kisses on my neck, my cheeks, my lips, my breasts. I remember the taste of your lips, their softness and wetness. It was such a magnificent feeling! They say, if you see yourself in a mirror it means changes in life for better. Maybe it means my new life with you? I hope I didn't scare you away with this phrase. I've dared to tell you that because I want to be absolutely sincere with you and I trust you. I am interested in you. I feel your presence in my heart. Oh, I wish you were here right now! I want simply sit next to you, hold your hand, breathe with you, just love you and give you everything I have, my body and my soul. I'd like to devote my life to you, to our future children. If your desire is still uncertain, I will simply write to you and answer your letters with pleasure.
A lot of love,
Elena.
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This is the e-mails I got after I received 5-6 e-mails from each of the them;
Dear Sir,
We want to inform you that Elena is using our translation and Internet services. Her account has come to the end and she doesn't have funds to continue the correspondence with you. She wants you to know she is still interested in you and in your further communication. If you are also concerned with her we can give you the needed information about our service and prices which are rather small. If you are not interested in the lady we ask you to keep confidential about the given information from Elena.
Best wishes.
Respectfully, Principal of "FT Contact" Vladimir Shulista.
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Seems like a scam to me, so I just stopped e-mailing them! The one that was real, I ended up meeting and planning on seeing her again, so, there are real girls out there, but also people looking to make money from you!
Beware!
Blastoff
I think you know the answer to your question already. I’m sure you’re a charming conversationalist and quite a catch, but when someone declares their undying love after a few emails you have to be a little suspicious!
Whether it’s an organised scam (which I’m sure it is) or an ad hoc scam isn’t that important, just that it is, undeniably a scam. The reason the emails are similar is either because they are written by the same person (or group of people) or because word has got around that this particular approach has been successful for someone else and therefore is the best approach. There are a whole load of nice touches – play on safety fears, feign embarrassment about asking for money (I liked the bit about having her own savings), address the visa issue through the convenient acquaintance who can take care of these things).
The whole area works on Direct Marketing-esque response rates. They don’t expect everyone they write to to send money, but as long as 1 in 100 (maybe 1 in 1000) falls for it, that’s more than enough. With their overheads so low – log in, copy and paste response, add in the correct name and country – they can send 100s of these a week. The estimates of how much money has been scammed in this way varies, but is invariably in the millions of $s.
Like a lot of Internet scams, you look at them and think, “Who the hell falls for this crap?” but like the Nigerian mining scam or the various inheritance and bank account scams, enough people do to make them worthwhile. There are enough people who are sufficiently greedy/horny/lonely – delete as applicable.
In short, if it walks like a scam, smells like a scam and sounds like a scam…..then it’s probably a scam.
Blastoff,
Whoever is writing you these love letters on FriendFinder is scamming you. I also get these unsolicited letters all the time and just delete them but sometimes (just for a spitefeul kick) after an exchange of a few "love letters" back and forth I send my instant Russian "fiancees" down to the local Western Union or Moneygram office to pick up the travel funds that I just "wired". Needless to say they wait, and wait, and wait... (I figure it's like spamming an effing spammer).
Actually, the chances are very good that the author of these girls' love letters actually has a cock and balls at least as large as yours and is using photos of his girlfriend or sister or just a stolen jpeg image to reel in lonely, horny, unsuspecting Western bachelors (I've even read about such Former Soviet Union marriage/relationship scams hitting naive members of the Western gay and lesbian community too).
Check out this web link. I guarantee you'll recognize some familiar FriendFinder profile photos in this "offenders black list":
[url]http://www.agencyscams.com/Photos1.htm[/url]
GENTLEMEN, DON'T SEND MONEY!
Live a Good Life, Without Regret and Die with a Smile (or Dyev) on Your Face!
Snowy,
Thanks for your comments.
I do more than agree with you.
I will turn this around as I am so good at playing this game and ask her to Western Union HER savings to me and I will add it to my money and send her the ticket hahaha. I will keep up posted on her reaction. LOL
BO... If you work the internet dating sites for as long as I have you soon learn to sniff out scams even before you get these kind of letters. If the letters you get are not really personal and they seem to be canned, you can bet that she either doesn't speak or write English very well and it is easier OR it is all canned and building to a scam.
One of the easiest ways to tell is if you write her and within a hour you have a response with a long flowery letter that would take a native English speaker an hour or more to compose... The words just don't match the music.
ITT... the sponsorship ads on omen.ru can yield some real jewels. I've had girls on the first meeting suggest an overnight for $100, it was two years ago, and I've had girls ask that I bring them a $2,000 Dior handbag from Paris. Many of the girls are from very rich families and they run in very fast and expensive circles, but the parents don't cough up the cash to live the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed... more like addicted. One young girl told me as we sat in my apartment that her parents were wealthy and they refuse to buy her what she wants, but she needs the $2,000 per month so she could have a horse! LOL! :)
At the same time, many of the girls are regular girls who don't want to be considered a "prostitute" but want the good life and they want it now. For the most part, I imagine that most of the girls who ask for $5,000 per month, will get many emails but very few have to worry about providing wiring instructions.
Personally, I think the internet dating sites are great fun with many opportunities. I enjoyed omen.ru when I was in Moscow, but now my favorite is [url]www.luckylovers.net[/url] No category for sponsorship though.
[QUOTE=It Travel]By the way thanks for quick looking!
For me the most important in this short agreement was CIM COF and SWALLOWING!!!
By the way the next I want to take up (the blonde chubby) agrees for total sex (including CIM) so let’s see.
IT[/QUOTE]
Guys, for a long time I planned to ask... now I finally have enough courage =)))) CIM is no doubt a pleasant staff, but. For this you have to insert your precious dick directly in the unknown girl's mouth without any protection. Aren't you scared? Just imagine, if she agreed for this with you after a small discuccion, she does the same way with everyone... Had I a penis, I'd be more careful... or may be I think so because I don't have it?..
Good advice CaT, you left out about the canned email in reply that never answer any of the questions you asked.
I always like to keep it short and simple. I usually email a girl a month before I hit Kiev, give her some basic info, my Ukrainian mobile number and ask for hers. I tell her I will call her when I get to Kiev, separates the chaff from the wheat every time.
Of course then you have to get by the dating for dinner girls or the ones looking to have you pay for their way in the city's most expensive nightclubs. In Kiev my friends and I call this 'wait for me outside Arena'. ;) It is always amazing how a girls attitude changes when she finds out you know the ins and outs of the city better then she does. Some times it changes for the better, some times the worst. It usually brings a twinkle to the eyes of the non p4p girls because they know you are for real.
Her latest email.
Greetings ??????, Are so happy as I read on your mail, I cannot wait
about
Once we shall meet, I am very glad, that you care of me so. Claudio
Yes all of you it is exact to me have told, me the same
The girlfriend has told, it to me it has told still when I to it have
arrived
For the first time, but I speak you about other, you have no
Understood me, I once again shall explain all of you: I wish to arrive
To you as the tourist, in agency, in which works of the girlfriend
The organized tourist is approximated in your country and in your city,
duration
These round two weeks, your country, very beautiful and interesting,
Therefore - the big wish to visit your country, therefore many
The companies of travel suit such roundes, the company of travel gives
hotel,
Submission and excursions, I wish to arrive to you in this round, I
shall be
Arrive to you as the usual tourist, with this purpose I do not require
to
Receive the visa, it is necessary for having for me only the passport
for
Travel abroad, such round expenses - 2900 $ but as I to you have told,
I
Have savings 1910 $, I have rescueed them some years, now I am ready
to
Give all of money if only to meet you, I you very urgently love, I
Ready to make everything, that to you to arrive, me not sufficient -
990 $,
I do not know, where is taken this money, I very much want, that you
saw,
Therefore I ask from you the help!!!!!????? ?????? now I think, it
All of you have understood, I once again speak you, that I go to you
As the tourist, probably to tell, that I continue excursion to yours
The country, with this purpose it is not necessary to receive the visa
if I
Has gone to you to live, then I should go to Moscow in embassy of
yours
The country and to ask there the entry visa, but it is absolutely
another, I
Ask from you the help, I know, that it will be the best two weeks from
ours
Life, after them we for ever shall be together, I you very urgently
Love, I can repeat it many times, but I wish to tell to you it in a
Meeting, I wish to kiss you, I wish to capture you, I ask, that you
have helped me
To you to arrive, and I shall make of you the happiest
The man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As to your idea of sending me an old cell phone to cantact me, it would be very good,
I would be very glad, to receive such gift, but in Russia mail and
consequently your phone will not reach me very badly works, I cannot
receive it, between us very big distance and most likely this cargo somewhere
will be lost.
Words cannot describe, how many I love and
Anxiety on you. You are so attractive and so sweet. I love All of you
It is more every day and I shall continue to dî so for other part of
mine
Life. You - my heart, my world, wash all. One thousand words never
Could express quantity of love which I have for you. Ocean never
Could hold tears which I shouted because I demand you. The sky never
Could hold all stars on which I have made desire, a wish, that we
Have met. You my soul mate and my life. I hope, it
You understand true value and greatness of these three simple words-
I love you. All love which I have in my heart for you, should remain
Here for ever. It is interesting, whether can describe Words, how many
I love, and I worry about you. I love All of you more every day and me
Will continue to do so for other part of my life. You - my heart, mine
The world, wash up all. It is interesting, whether you know really, how
many
Strong my emotions are and as I am deep, will concern your love and
yours
Feelings. Honey you are such gentle and special person and you cause
I to feel especial. When I close my eyes at night, is a pity to
I, that you not here. It is a pity to me, that I cannot deeply study
Your eyes also speak you, that you mean the world for me, and love
You - everything, that I wish to make you, really knows, how many
strong
My emotions are and as I am deep, will concern your love and yours
Feelings. Honey you are such gentle and special person and you cause
I to feel especial. Please honey speaks me as it is fast - we shall be
Meet, because right now I am in high expectation to meet you.
The answer soon. I love you with all my heart, and I promise you, that
I
Will always do. Your Love For ever, Marina!!!
My reply to her email.
Mt Dearest Marina,
O.K. I accept what you say and I accept you are coming here soon for 2 weeks. Thank you.
I also have a friend that works in a travel agency here in my country and he has promised me to give me your airplane ticket at a very reduced price so I am asking that you Western Union your money to me but only $1,500 of you money and I shall pay the difference to my friend in the travel agency and I will mail you your airplane ticket.
Please tell me it is o.k. for you and that you will do this soon. Once I receive your next email, I will email you my details for your Western Union money transfer.
Can’t wait to see you.
Lots of love.
Your man
???????
BO.... LOL!!! The sad thing is that some people must fall for this... "just send $1,500 and I'll buy the airplane ticket and mail it to you!" This must be an April Fool's joke... RIGHT???
Hellena H,
It looks like you may have a point.
[url]http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/infectionoralsex.htm[/url]
But I think that as long as there are no open wound or active sores, the risk should is very low, probably as about par with kissing, but what do I know, I’m not that kind of doctor.
Dear friends!
I appologise for posting here, there is no special forum for Odessa, but I see that some of you are real experts of this city. This morning I go to Odessa for a couple of days and have some questions.
1. How much should I pay a driver at the airport to get to the city center (is Kempinsky – in the center -?). Is it safe to take a driver right from the street or there are some special taxis which are safer than others?
2. Do you happen to know any cozy inexpensive hotels there in case my client doesn’t appear? I think he is OK, and he paid for the ticket, but theoretically all is possible ;)
3. What sights should I see in Odessa? I am more interested in architecture then clubs and brothels, I guess, you understand why ;)
Thanks a lot for your help.
I am looking for a reliable taxi driver for a visit in May.
I do not speak Russian, but I would like to see some sights and do some club hoping, and I would rather have a referal driver.
Any suggestions?
Thanks !
Helena,
You need to RTFF (read the f***ing forum) as well, there is a separate forum on Odessa in the Ukraine section and it is chock full of information, about girls, clubs, beaches etc. :) Or maybe you forgot that Odessa is in Ukraine and not Russia?
Here's a link to get you there...
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=448857#post448857[/url]
Is it a "working" holiday in Odessa? Please don't take your Moscow prices there dear... :)
I suggest taking an apartment, it is cheaper and better than a hotel in almost every way. Please check the Odessa section or contact Ca Traveler, who lives there. Ca_T could certainly help you get off your feet... :)
Pay the driver no more than $20-25 to get you to the center, if memory serves correctly. Its about a 20 minute drive to the center. I suggest you stay near Deribasovskaya, there are plenty of apartments in that area, or hotels as well if you choose that route. The Londonskaya Hotel (is that the Kempinski you are refering to?) is also in the same general area. Staying at the Londonskaya you might be able to even find some customers willing to pay your Moscow rates... :)
Good luck and enjoy Odessa, I'm sure you will!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Helena,
You need to RTFF (read the f***ing forum) as well, there is a separate forum on Odessa in the Ukraine section and it is chock full of information, about girls, clubs, beaches etc. :) Or maybe you forgot that Odessa is in Ukraine and not Russia?
Here's a link to get you there...
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=448857#post448857[/url]
Is it a "working" holiday in Odessa? Please don't take your Moscow prices there dear... :)
I suggest taking an apartment, it is cheaper and better than a hotel in almost every way. Please check the Odessa section or contact Ca Traveler, who lives there. Ca_T could certainly help you get off your feet... :)
Pay the driver no more than $20-25 to get you to the center, if memory serves correctly. Its about a 20 minute drive to the center. I suggest you stay near Deribasovskaya, there are plenty of apartments in that area, or hotels as well if you choose that route. The Londonskaya Hotel (is that the Kempinski you are refering to?) is also in the same general area. Staying at the Londonskaya you might be able to even find some customers willing to pay your Moscow rates... :)
Good luck and enjoy Odessa, I'm sure you will![/QUOTE]
Oh, thanks a lot, Doctor_Skank!!!! You are right, I totally forgot that I'm no more living in the USSR =))) I still think Odessa belongs to Russia, as well as Ukrain and all our former soviet republics. Of course I'll be paid according to Moscow rates (even better, because I have to fly for my money by plain, it's an additional effort =))). Londonskaya I checked, seems expensive. Hope I'll not have to use any "in case" possibilities and stay with comfort in Kempinsky (sounds trustworthy enough, especially when you don't pay for it out of your own pocket). Now I will go now directly in Ukrain forum to enlarge my knowlage of the place =))))))))))) Also hope they have enough internet cafes in Odessa, from where I can get Ca Traveller for emergency.
[QUOTE=Blastoff]Her latest email.
Hi Blastoff
I had a Russian girl that was madly in love with me and wanted to come to England to meet.
And just happened to have a travel agent has a friend that could arrange things. For a price.
I told her that I would sort the visa though a friend at the British embassy in Moscow and when I sorted the visa I would send her a e-ticket.
Guess what………I never heard from her again……how to play there game.
mephil
As usual when I am in Russia I take sometimes my friend Diana/Alisa (her two art’s name) her real is Ludmilla. (she is the older sister of Valentina/Margarita…
Diana: [url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27359[/url]
Surely she is not the most beautiful you can find on internet, but… she is very responding, nice GFE, allowing nearly everything for a mere 200 USD/ night, some time I bring her presents (like vibrators, strap on, plugs and she start immediately to test them.
When I mean whole night it is approx from 8-9 P.M. in the evening to the breakfast in the morning 10-11 AM (with something from the room service in the night).
Of course she is not a 10… but at least 9 in GFE. She is 156 cm low (not tall!) and has a fabulous popka of 103 cm (personally measured) in which you can introduce a lot of objects… (I like starting dilatations with big plugs!)
On of the best session I had with her was just after the photos… a big cow girl ride with a vibrating anal-plug inserted and I got the control of it! Really nice.
Now she even makes BBBJ (to somebody only).
Next time I will be in Russia I will book her and her lesbis friend (never seen) for a weekend…I will surely be needing at least 6/7 Viagras! At least two shot per hole!
Already this month… next time I’ll try to get some stunner in NF/CF or the Mistery Tramp in Kiev!
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Guys, for a long time I planned to ask... now I finally have enough courage =)))) CIM is no doubt a pleasant staff, but. For this you have to insert your precious dick directly in the unknown girl's mouth without any protection. Aren't you scared? Just imagine, if she agreed for this with you after a small discuccion, she does the same way with everyone... Had I a penis, I'd be more careful... or may be I think so because I don't have it?..[/QUOTE]
Dear Helena
As proved BBBJ is not so dangerous, of course the girl has to be with no bleeding in gums. Saliva is very effective against every type of viruses and bacteria. Of course not 100% safe… nothing is 100 % safe (only if you do yourself a handjob in front of a TV is 100 % safe!)
It is even quite safe for girls, as proved many times… viruses will be destroyed by the saliva and all the acids in the stomach… And as Iriska did instead of washing your mouth with Listerine (some are doing it) you can even drink a couple of vodkas… surely more fun.
When she was really drunk I was even thinking to make her a vodka-cum cocktail… but perhaps it was a little too much! So I never dit it.
Hello Helena.
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]Saliva is very effective against every type of viruses and bacteria. Of course not 100% safe… nothing is 100 % safe
(only if you do yourself a handjob in front of a TV is 100 % safe!)[/QUOTE]
Not if your wife catches you - especially if you're watching National Geographic! :)
(No, I'm not talking from experience!)
[QUOTE=Piper1]Not if your wife catches you - especially if you're watching National Geographic! :)
(No, I'm not talking from experience!)[/QUOTE]
I've no wife... so that is not a problem...
;-)
Privet Vsem!
I'm making another pilgrimage back to Moscow. I'll arrive on April 15th and stay until 22nd. I have a grand plan for the first day: a visit to banya Sanduny in the afternoon, dinner at Night Flight, digestive drinks at Safari Lodge and late night partying at Karma Bar.
For the rest of my trip, the plan is simply to sample an improvized mix of salons and clubs. I have been recommended ELIT-tv, Skazku, Fantazii, and 5 Zvezd among other salons. As for clubs, I want to check out Cabaret, Skazka, and Fabrique in addition to Propaganda, Karma Bar, Dirty Dancing and maybe Park Avenue Disco (I heard mixed points of view on PAD).
If you happen to be in Moscow and want to join me for drinks, partying or who'ing please PM me.
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]BO.... LOL!!! The sad thing is that some people must fall for this... "just send $1,500 and I'll buy the airplane ticket and mail it to you!" This must be an April Fool's joke... RIGHT???[/QUOTE]
No it's not. I am testing her to find out her reply. If she expects me to trust her and send her money, I am turning the tables around to see what her reaction is LOL
[QUOTE=Mephil][QUOTE=Blastoff]Her latest email.
Hi Blastoff
I had a Russian girl that was madly in love with me and wanted to come to England to meet.
And just happened to have a travel agent has a friend that could arrange things. For a price.
I told her that I would sort the visa though a friend at the British embassy in Moscow and when I sorted the visa I would send her a e-ticket.
Guess what………I never heard from her again……how to play there game.
mephil[/QUOTE]
Just an other example of what to watch our for.
[QUOTE=Hedonist]Privet Vsem!
I'm making another pilgrimage back to Moscow. I'll arrive on April 15th and stay until 22nd. I have a grand plan for the first day: a visit to banya Sanduny in the afternoon, dinner at Night Flight, digestive drinks at Safari Lodge and late night partying at Karma Bar.
[/QUOTE]
I'm not in Moscow in Those days... unfortunately but in any case we expect a long report expecially on Salons... A habit I layed down five six years ago finding easier getting girls on Internet!
Let us know...
IT
helena... Feel free to contact me when you are in ODS. CT
Anyone have experience with the Hotel President?
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]Anyone have experience with the Hotel President?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I have been there. Security is tighter than virgins vagina. It's hard to get even your male friend inside.
Rooms are nice though, mine had two rooms. Furniture brings back memories from Soviet times.
Overall: it's an experience. But girls are hard to take in.
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]helena... Feel free to contact me when you are in ODS. CT[/QUOTE]
Thanks, already back. Drinking "gorilka" and eating dried fish =)))
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Thanks, already back. Drinking "gorilka" and eating dried fish =)))[/QUOTE]Hehe, gorilka is good. Taras Bulba is quite nice place for that - affordable and decent food. Where do you usually get gorilka?
Not to be a buzz kill but you are letting out some really bad misinformation here. BBBJ's are a way to get HPV (Human Papiloma Virus) and HSV (Herpes Simplex Virus). In the US the CDC (Center for Disease and Control) has compiled the figures that 1 in 4 US adults has Herpes and 1 in 5 has HPV. Google CDC for a weblink (I think it's cdc.gov). After reading that site you are going to want to live in a plastic bubble.
Personally I do engage in BBBJ's but there are risks associated with it. But at least I am aware what they are.
You can also get STD's from HJ's. The only safe sex is no sex. After that it is just varying degrees of risk.
[QUOTE=It Travel]Dear Helena
As proved BBBJ is not so dangerous, of course the girl has to be with no bleeding in gums. Saliva is very effective against every type of viruses and bacteria. Of course not 100% safe… nothing is 100 % safe (only if you do yourself a handjob in front of a TV is 100 % safe!)
(stuff deleted)
IT[/QUOTE]
I found this web site (I thik it has been posted on this site some where before) and the prices and girls seem great!
Does any one have experience with this site?
[url]http://www.putana.nu/list.php?link=12681[/url]
No need to discover America again. That is one of the hundred sites; we mentioned couple of times. Some are reliable; some are full of fake pics and brushed pics.
Before you ask these are the other sites we talked about too many times.
[url]www.zna.nu[/url] , [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] , [url]www.znakomstva.nu[/url]
[QUOTE=Finskij Paren]Hehe, gorilka is good. Taras Bulba is quite nice place for that - affordable and decent food. Where do you usually get gorilka?[/QUOTE]
I bought in Odessa duty-free, but I think it's possible to buy in any supermarket, for ex. "Selpo" in Franzuzsky bulvar. "Hortitsa" is really great, especially the one with pepper. Now I discovered that it's also available in Moscow (but all the labels are written in Russian, from Odessa I brought bottles with Ukranean-language labels, which was also fun to read. For Russians Ukranean language sounds very funny =))).
Does anybody know of someone who could serve as a paid English speaking guide?
I'm traveling with 3 friends to Russia for the first time a the beginning of May, and was hoping we could hire someone with experience in the night scene (clubs, salons, banyas, etc.) so that we can guarantee that we have the best time. We will be staying at the Petro Palace Hotel in SpB and the Park Hyatt in Moscow.
All suggestions appreciated
I am delighted to see all the posts here by Helena Moscow and Victoria 2005, and their web-site photos look great, but have any of the guys here actually met them or fucked them? Are they as good as they sound?
Dear All some more on Sponsoship...
In the pics section you can find both professional and amateur photo of girls wishing to be sponsored… every thing is going on from 3000 to 15000 RUR a day. By the way there are some girls accepting only to be sponsored for longer period. Basically from 1.500 USD/month.
As I told I had three experiences of whom two where interesting (one for three nights, you can se a gorgeous cum shot in pics… I’m talking on Iriska) and one not really concluded only due lack of time..,. but I will come back… I will put also some description.. surely (in my opinion) most of the photos are true… some really home made, some studio made… I prefer the first ones because usually the girl is better than what you see in an amateur photo!
I think I will try again with another girl. I will post her photos in may… Eh Eh I do not want to much competition… she is a former model (not photo model, but for local mode events) aging 22/23, really skinny type and over 180cm!
Of course I will not go for such “sponsored” starting with fake photos… there is even one showing a picture (as it would be hers) of tiffany… the well known internet American model (by the way I like very muck that girl type..).
So I go for home made things…
Doc, Big Bro, CA… and of course all the others.. what is your opionion?
By the way I suppose you have red my last think on Iriska, perhaps not a devil in bed, but finally a nice and not so expensive GFE..
See same days report in photo gallery
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]
Doc, Big Bro, CA… and of course all the others.. what is your opionion?
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IT,
Doc and CAT are the reel mentors and maestros.
From my humble opinion most of the mongers dream to spend the weekend with a GFE type young Russian girl in minimum cost.
My knowledge is based on my EE girl friend (understand the logic of Russian woman) and my weekend trips to Moscow.
I usually go to Moscow for 38 hours (weekend). Therefore, I don’t want to stick with one girl and one place. Gamble a little ($100 max. in roulette), have nice dinner with friends, party at Rhino and/or MisterXXX, find 1-2 girls from CF or NF or zna.nu or the ones I met in my previous visits, brunch on Sunday morning, Sunday afternoon sex, take the plane and flight back to Istanbul.
My budget is limited. $300 Aeroflot round trip ticket and visa, $100-150 gifts and shopping, $100 gambling, $150-200 lunch, dinner, brunch, $700 girls and strip clubs (sometimes I spent all of it, sometimes $200-300).
Time to time I chat with girls via [url]www.love.mail.ru[/url] but sponsorship is hit and miss. Girls may easily abuse you. I want to try once, but I don’t want to be disappointed.
Best in luck,
PS: Next time I would like to meet Diana/Alisa and her bi-girl friends
Thanks Bro… our tastes are different… for instance gambling is not a thing I do, the same for an evening in Rhino or a strip club, I rather prefer a good dinner in a restaurant for the same price, or some Ikra tasting in my room with friends and vodka (I mean at least three types, and no male friends!!! With some exception of course…)
Diana/Alisa and her friend, the last she was with was a tall chubby one, surely they are not the most beautiful, but if you treat them gently, they will do nearly anything for you, like one riding you wile the other has your balls in her mouth, or different types of sandwiches (I mean with dildos!)… now even COF.
They really lick the clito and kiss you with two tongues… everywhere!
By the way when she wakes up she is always ready for sex in zero time, and the best is taking her anally…. And the very best is, as I said, being fucked cow girl while she has a vibrating anal plug on!
I understand you have timing problems… but by the way why not getting to Romania, you will have more time and, I think, less costs..
IT
by the way a couple of more things… since a couple of years… perhaps i’m getting older and hornier, my girl choosing is mostly oriented at teens or very early twenties and… most important, anal services… or perhaps duos! i make few exceptions only for very interting ones or new experiences.
in the last times only the sponsored iriska was a no anal… (and another two, a chubby with monstrous tits, and a 18teen making bbbj and cim… photos of both in photo section) but by the way her anus is so tight so it seemed to me that she was a no no anal girl (never did it)… perhaps i will make her an offer… get her a little bit drunk… and slowly slowly with a lot of k jelly… take her up to my balls!
with diana/alisa… you do not have this problem… you can even role play anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]! very funny and nice, and then have a dinner with the room service, and the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her again!
as doc (all my respect to him) said we need some variety…
hi and have a nice weekend in moscow!
it
[QUOTE=It Travel]
I understand you have timing problems… but by the way why not getting to Romania, you will have more time and, I think, less costs..
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IT,
I hate Romanian girls more than Greek girls.
I love Moscow.
I am neither a gambler nor a stripper freak; but I enjoy going to strip clubs with my buddies. Besides I have enough Russian type house parties in Istanbul. (Unlimited vodka, wine, bourbon, Russian music and naked Russian girls)
I don’t have financial problems but I prefer to limit my budget cause Moscow has no limits. On the contrary I have time problems. I don’t have much time and don’t want to waste a hour.
I am neither after 9 ish girls nor 10/10 girls. As long as I enjoy her company, it doesn’t matter whether she is 7 or 8.
Greek(anal sex) with girls is another spice in our joyful and sinful adventurous.
Good for you!
I'm happy for that... I would love to have such party home... :-)
But unfortunately... it's not possible...
I agree with you on not stunner girls... some know they are stunners and just get money ad lay like logs in the bed! like fuking a plastic doll!
By the way for Romania in reality I did not mean Bucharest... in some small cities you can really have really good time... in small clubs at no price.
I have less time problems than you, but more $$$ problems... yah! Not real ones but I have to stay on a budget.
Have a nice weekend... an send us some pics!
IT
PS I'll try to have a lesbian party with Diana/Alisa in a couple of weeks. Then I'll inform you (all) on the new girlfriend she has... I even got to bed with her and her sister (Valentina) but there is only playing, and no lesbian (of course).
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]IT,
I hate Romanian girls more than Greek girls.
I love Moscow.
I am neither a gambler nor a stripper freak; but I enjoy going to strip clubs with my buddies. Besides I have enough Russian type house parties in Istanbul. (Unlimited vodka, wine, bourbon, Russian music and naked Russian girls)
I don’t have financial problems but I prefer to limit my budget cause Moscow has no limits. On the contrary I have time problems. I don’t have much time and don’t want to waste a hour.
I am neither after 9 ish girls nor 10/10 girls. As long as I enjoy her company, it doesn’t matter whether she is 7 or 8.
Greek(anal sex) with girls is another spice in our joyful and sinful adventurous.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]Dear Lollo Frollo.Here you to find girls who speak in English. Really friendly girls. [url]http://www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url] and [url]http://www.yourfantasy.ru[/url][/QUOTE]Victoria,
As much as I enjoyed seeing Katya and she delivered on all services indicated but she definitely wasn't the girl in the photo as you repeated promised, or it was taken perhaps 10 years earlier, because I sure didn't recognize her. It was the same in the previous meeting with Lida. It just sets up false expectations with the bogus photos.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I am delighted to see all the posts here by Helena Moscow and Victoria 2005, and their web-site photos look great, but have any of the guys here actually met them or fucked them? Are they as good as they sound?[/QUOTE]
And you call yourself gentleman....huh
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]And you call yourself gentleman....huh[/QUOTE]
Dear Big Bro ;)
I also took fancy to ISG and enjoy discussion here. But one of the conditions to meet me is a promice not to report about me here or anywhere else. Neither good things nor bad. Taking pictures and videos also impossible. In return I promice not to report about my clients. I believe that it's important to keep names and personal detailes secret. None of my clients never had problem of wrong information going out and interfering their personal lives. There are plenty of girls about who you can find recommendations. And if you need some "quality guarantees" (if in this business such thing is possible in principle - with one man girl can be extremely sexy and with another extremely cold ;))) may be for you it's better idea to call them. Noone is forcing you to call me or Victoria, by the way ;)) That's just the matter of trust and desire. If you want to call me and believe that I'm good in sex, or at least, want to try it, you are welcome!!!! But if you have doubts, it's totally up to you to deside. I don't mind, really.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Dear Big Bro ;)
I also took fancy to ISG and enjoy discussion here. But one of the conditions to meet me is a promice not to report about me here or anywhere else. Neither good things nor bad....But if you have doubts, it's totally up to you to deside. I don't mind, really.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Big Bro, it was addressed to Gentlemen Travel =))))))))) Mistaken...
Helena:
"But one of the conditions to meet me is a promice not to report about me here or anywhere else. Neither good things nor bad."
I dont think you understand what this forum is. It is certainly not up to you to dictate who reports what. In fact, it is the very purpose of the forum to report such things. If your clients do follow the agreement and not post info on you, I can respect that. If they do however report on you, they are merely doing other forum members a service. It is entirely legitimate to report if service was good or bad. After all, you charge a lot of money and the paying customer would like to know if you really are as good as you claim to be.
Dear Helena,
I have enjoyed some of your inputs into ISG and they do give a different slant to issues.
I am, and I'm sure most ISG members are gentlemen. With large appetites for sure and the means to pay to satisfy them. The world is an adventure and has often been said - Life is (usually) good.
This site is dedicated to providing first hand information between members about woman, sex, and providing praise where it is due and equally warning where the experience is less than a member wished for.
All the while, it is read with an understanding that in sex as in every other human endeavour your experince in the same situation may vary from others. Neither we or the ladies who enjoy or put up with our company and sponsorship, for whatever reason, are machines that can replicate the same experience on every occasion and with everyone.
We all have Jackson to thank for this site, the information that it provides and the world wide reporting with which to assist in our own travels through this sometimes gray world. Going back in time - we all must salute and thank the ultimate and uber monger - Atta, for creating what is now the ISG through the hard work of his torch bearer, Jackson.
What is disturbing to me, dear Helena, is your demand that should a member ever meet you, that it is conditional on no reporting of any postives or negatives. This is totally against the principles of ISG and would not be acceptable to most members. You may be a lovely creature and one with whom a very enjoyable time could be had. Your own requests would be noted and if acceptable agreed to up front or not; however demands - no sorry.
You should by now realise that demands that no mention be made in ISG are really not on, Helena, and that these comments are what makes this board what it is - concerned with the hunt for pleasure wherever it might lead a member with the guiding hand and assistance of those who have gone before.
I hope that you understand why your demand was unreasonable; is not in keeping with the whole ISG raison d'etre, and yes, frankly, somewhat offensive at least to me.
Please do carry on posting and should you have the good fortune to meet other ISG members such as myself, you should not be surprised if they are unable to meet your demand and choose to just move on.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Helena:
I dont think you understand what this forum is. It is certainly not up to you to dictate who reports what. In fact, it is the very purpose of the forum to report such things. If your clients do follow the agreement and not post info on you, I can respect that. If they do however report on you, they are merely doing other forum members a service. .[/QUOTE]
Dear Skank =))
I am aware for what this forum is. And of course, if one my clients breaks the agreement and reports here about me, I’ll be unable to stop him. But I still think that I do have the right to have personal agreements between myself and my clients. It has nothing to do with forum. It’s just between us, two people, who plan to do something and we both want to keep the face no matter what happens. I have enough clients and I can afford to choose them. I choose those who have the same views on this point. If someone doesn’t agree, it’s OK. There are enough other girls.
Dear Excess =))
Please, read what I wrote for Skank. I am also grateful to Jackson for this forum. It’s very inportant to share information. I am here not for a long time, but I learned a lot, too. When I planned to travel to Odessa, I asked advice here, and it helped me a lot, thanks to everybody, who posted here information about this place, especially to Doctor Skank and CA Traveler. I also try to give some useful information when I have it. Sure, sometimes I’m right, sometimes wrong, and sometimes my replies are nonsense, who is perfect... But I already feel like friends with all forum members. And because of this in some moments I almost regret that I came here as a working girl. When someone from forum asks me about meeting I each time get scared and try to find a pretext to refuse. Because I don’t want to be disposed as a public fucking thing by one of the “friends” in front of others. That’s why I ask my clients not to write about me anything. Sometimes I even think of removing my ad from here, but there are so many of my ads in the net, that even if I remove the one from here, it will not help. If you think that I ask too much of you disagree with my “demands”, please, let’s remain just forum friends. Not everybody has to become my client, really. The same I would like to tell to the rest. Please, guys, if you feel that my request not to write about me and not to take my pictures and video is in a way offends you, just let’s remain forum friends. I never meant to offend you, if I did, sorry.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Sorry, Big Bro, it was addressed to Gentlemen Travel =))))))))) Mistaken...[/QUOTE]Sorry, I did not mean to create a fuss.
I am a newbie on this group and thought this was a normal information request. I didn't think anything was taboo on here! I did not mean to offend anyone, least of all the ladies. Just wanted to confirm that they were legimate and of a certain quality.
Are there really a 1,000 Russian girls in London on [url]http://love.mail.ru[/url] ? That is what it looks like. I can't register from London. Could anybody register for me? thanks for any help
[QUOTE=Goldfinger]Are there really a 1,000 Russian girls in London on [url]http://love.mail.ru[/url] ? That is what it looks like. I can't register from London. Could anybody register for me? thanks for any help[/QUOTE]
I can ;) Send me details.
Goldfinger:
Of course you can register from London, you can register from anywhere. You just arent trying hard enough.
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]Have you got a map for metro at Moscow center ? because i will be near metros Sukharevskaya and Svetnoy Bulvar next 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]
I hope this will be helpful.
[url]http://www.wtr.ru/moscow/eng/metro/metro.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Victoria2005] Only you always are not happy with service of girls. If to read your previous posts, you as were not happy meetings with girls.
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Sounds funny =))
Guys, I don't know the whole situation about this case. But I'm always really surprised, why you make so much fuss when you find the girl who arrived not beautiful enough for you. There is always a way out. If you don't like the girl, don't fuck her and don't pay - let her go. And next time search girls in clubs, where you can really see them (especially suitable will be strip-clubs, where you can see them nacked). Why have all this fuss with internet if you permanently unhappy with the looks of girls. Let's be realistic. All girls place on adverticements their best pictures. Profeccional portfolio can be very different from the way the same person looks in the real life. The light is different, the hairstyle can be different, the girl can be tired or dressed another way. And of course, the pose will be different. In one pose her body will be smooth like dolphin's skin and in another she will have wrinkles on stomach, which is absolutely normal. Plus the photograph doesn't give you any idea of size. Please, remember about all these facts. These dolls from pictures are real people. Sometimes they can look in the reality even better, sometimes worse, but there will be always some difference between picture and reality. One of the guys wrote here about a girl with saggy tits. I looked on picture - tits were normal, just large. And she wasn't nacked on the photo. So it was easy to suppose that real large tits always hang a little. They never look like cylicon, because they are soft and heavy. They consist of fat, not rubber or iron. And it's easy to suppose that this girl can't be skinny, for example. Because skinny girls can never have naturally bog tits. If a girl is not nacked on the picture and then you discover that under her clothes she is not perfect, it doesn't mean she cheated you. She covered imperfections, which is absolutely normal. It was you who didn't think about it. First you created unreal picture in your mind and then try to compare real person with your fantasy. In most cases fantasy will be better. I don't speak about situations when completely different girl comes, but what I meant to say was: LET'S BE REALISTIC.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]I hope this will be helpful.
[url]http://www.wtr.ru/moscow/eng/metro/metro.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Also remember that Cyrillic is used in Russia and you need to be able to recognise the name in Cyrillic to leave the metro at the right station. There is another metro map with names in both writing [url=http://www.waytorussia.net/Moscow/MetroMap.html]here[/url].
Also, [url=http://www.gotoru.com/moscow_metro.shtml]here[/url], you have some useful information on the Moscow metro system, with example how the various information panels look like in Cyrillic (for example for "No entrance", "Exit to the street", "No boarding", etc...).
Helena,
Thank you for your polite apology - fully accepted, and I appreciate your thoughtful reply - while we may not agree on this point, now we move on.
This report actually dates back to early January 2006 - I think my fingers must have only just recovered from the frostbite of -31 degrees.
I spent the best part of a week in the promised land, arriving at the weekend in the middle of the cold snap - it was -31 when I landed in the evening and the daytime temp didnt really get much better than -25. With that in mind I decided the only way to go was strip clubs and incall, the prospect of wandering around in the snow looking for a knocking off shop seemed like a bad idea.
Day 1 - arrived in the evening quite late - AeroExpress into town, checked in and got a cab to Oh-La-La. Arrived at about 12am, the bar area was pretty busy as the front room was too cold for nekkid chicks. Took a seat in a corner and let the booty fest begin. OLL didnt disappoint, had about a dozen lap dances in total including about 4 from girls who I had met/fucked previously, who remembered me and made a great play of the fact (GFE types) - girls who know that you are there to fuck and not just get off on 100R dances definitely try harder. Once again I had decided who I wanted but got taken in by Anastasia who I fucked on my previous visit - she went for the same routine as last time, came over and lap danced for about 15 minutes, made sure I was rock hard then asked if I wanted sex. Couldnt really say no as she knows how to float my boat, $150 and off to the room. The room was pretty scummy and the bed filthy really, but we're her for the action not the decor I guess. Took a shower and A did a dance in the shower doorway whilst I washed, off to the bed, CBJ (I do like the way she sucks cock!) and a variety of positions, the best being mish with her crazy long legs together over my shoulders, a good opening session - I went home a happy punter.
Day 2 - That evening I decided to call the recently maligned Kristina at escort-elitegirls. None of the girls I wanted were available so we discussed alternatives, I wanted big tits that evening so we settled on Monica, not really my type but Kristina promises she will do full service for $300 all night. The troll arrived about an hour later, big tits but much chubbier than her pics suggest and showing signs of wear and tear - I really should have sent her back but decided to give it a go. She lit up and raided the mini bar and seemed far more interested in drinking and smoking. She agreed full service but no CIM. Started with a bath together, soapy tit wank and BJ as I sat on the edge of the bath, shes somewhat mechanical but that didnt stop me from unloading on her face/tits. Over to the bed and again she showed little interest - I got sick of her attitude so kicked her chunky ass out shortly afterwords. Called Kristina and told her what happened, she apologised and said she would send someone else over instead, I said no so she says she will make it up for me tomorrow.
Day 3 - Got back late and decided it was far too cold to be adventurous so I called Kristina again and decided to give her another chance. Told her I wanted two girls so she said to leave it to her and she will sort me out. Ana and Katya turn up an hour or so later, both look early/mid 20s, Ana - blonde, 5'7 athletic body, soft skinned, good C cup tits (soft), Katya - brunette, 5'5, curvy without being fat, C tits, very pretty face -nice eyes and great lips. These two were great! We exchanged pleasantries and money $300, and I told them I liked massage and fucking! I had already washed and was in a bathrobe when they turned up so they told me to wait on the bed, they went into the bathroom to do their thing. They came out wearing black slips and turned me on my front and proceeded to give a fantastic 2 girl massage (proper massage -not erotic). They then removed their slips, turned me over and both straddled me and went for the lesbi show, it wasnt full on but enough touching, kissing, fondling and moaning to make me horny as hell! We fucked for the next 3 hours with 2 pops for me in that time - lots of positions, oral was CBJ but both give great head - Katya is particularly good in cowgirl, she goes at it porn style, squatting on her feet rather than on her knees and really gives your cock a good work out - Ana has a great pussy for DATY. When we finished they asked if I wanted them to stay till the morning but I decided to quit whilst I was way ahead!
Day 4 - It was the weekend and the sun was shining but it was still -27 outside, so after having redeemed herself, I called Kristina again in the aftenoon. She said she had some special young girls for me today so i told her to send 2 over for a few hours. Two young blondes show up, Vlada and Maria/Masha, Vlada, early 20s, shoulder length blonde hair, 5'8, pale skinned, good body, c tits, very good english, Maria/Masha - teenage, I would be very surprised if she was more than 19! 5'6, very pert B cup tits, curvacious body, extremely fine long blonde hair, dangerously cute and pretty face - the epitomy of teenage pussy! We had some drinks and Vlada got a bit tipsy rather quickly, we got showered and naked pretty quickly and went down to business. They started with a tame lesbi show with Vlada leading and Maria looking every bit the innocent! Vlada then goes for my cock and CBJ - fuck shes good - I mean proper deep throat action, she has fantastic cock sucking skills -that, combined with the nubile Maria keeping me occupied up top lead me to cut to the chase and cum from the oral. Vlada was acutally disappointed and said that we must make love next time! Round 2 was good long session, fucked them both in all positions for about 1 1/2 hours - Maria has a super tight pussy by the way, and again finished by giving Vlada a 20 min face fuck whilst enjoying the mouth and body of Maria. They left about 10 and went for dinner and an early night. These two were young hot babes but I preferred the experience of Ana and Katya - but a great session nonetheless. I made a mental note to try and get Vlada again by herself if she is available the next time I am in town - a BBBJ from her would be do die for!
Day 5 - Another cold evening, could I make it a hattrick with Kristina? When you are on a roll, you gotta keep rolling I say. Made the call to Kristina, she said she had some more young girls for me but I said I wanted more experienced girls, I asked if Ana was available again, she phoned and checked and agrees to send Ana over with another girl. They arrive about 45 minutes later looking stunning! both are really well dressed and made up and Sveta has model looks, she is tall and very slim (some would say painfully slim!) but has an exquisite face and long flowing black hair, 5'8 with a the most perfect, pert, natural C cup softball tits! you really wouldnt expect a girl that slim to have such great tits! Ana is happy to see me and promises that tonight will be even better! She suggests we all take a bath and they go to get ready, we dim the lights and all climb into the foaming bubble bath. What happens next is a soapy 2 girl extravaganza with CBJ and fucking in cowgirl and doggy in the bath - we then move over to the bed for a proper fuck. Now I dont say this lightly, but the next two hours with these girls was amazing - the fuck of the century as michael douglas would say! Sveta gives fantastic head (CBJ) and has a tight but juicy pussy and did I mention her tits, man they are perfect, and shes so light that you can really fuck her all over the bed and beyond. I only came once in that session but it was a mind blowing cum face fucking Sveta whilst I DFK Ana. Wow.
I didnt manage to fit in any more pussy but had the most memorable time to date on any trip. 3 top drawer girl on girl sessions in a row is some kind of nivarna! My tip to all you non Russian speaking, somewhat lazy punters who visit the promised land on business - get outcalls! its worth paying a bit more than you would in salon or elsewhere if you have the money but not the time.
That said, I realise that theres so much more to moscow punting and I have only scratched the surface - So my question to all you seasoned mongers out there, what do you recommend for the next trip? I have a week in moscow coming up very soon, so do I stick with the online agencies or venture further afield? All recommendations welcome!
As a direct question (aimed in particular at 109-strip club guru!) can you please recommend an alternative to Oh-La-La, I want somewhere that has the 100R dances, doesnt skank you for drink prices and sex is available. In fact, how about a poll? List in order of preference, the strip clubs in Moscow that you have been to, mine would be:
1) Oh La La
2) ???????? still waiting ;)
BananaFinger
I am amused and entertained by all the war stories here about trolling for freebies and gifted amateurs. But as a mid-40's guy with no Russian, I always wonder - are these tactics and scenarios realistic for a guy like me?
Surely a lot of the potential for success depends on age, looks, language skills and the size of your bankroll (even freebies must usually cost something)? Or are you saying it all depends on your knowledge of the terrain and technique?
So I wonder if some of the veterans could share a bit of biographical or demographic information? What range of age and physical appearance are we dealing with here?
How easy or difficult is it for a mid-40s professional (English gentleman type)with a nice suit and modest bankroll to score with young lovelies?
Dear Helena,
sorry for writing but I feel, in someway, I got to do it…
You wrote “One of the guys wrote here about a girl with saggy tits. I looked on picture - tits were normal…” That guy is me. And I wrote this on Valentina, a very nice girl, around 22 y.o. (you will get three fantastic pics enclosed, I mean of the girl with saggy tits). But yes she has saggy tits (not big, 1st), but I enjoy her every time I go to Moscow. She is so nice, so beautiful face, and last but not least she make wonderful anal and incredible GFE; sometimes she even invites me to restaurant!
What I am meaning… this is just a site where we, mongers, try to explaining each other our experiences. I understand your point of view... It is different to go to bed and have sex with a nice 27 y.o., or with a fat and sweaty 65 y.o.! I understand this perfectly and I understand also that the behaviour of a girl can’t be the same with everybody. It is normal and natural.
But here we are speaking on different things, specially for Moscow, like:
a) get robbed and poisoned in bars;
b) girl friendly hotels, and tips to get them in if they are not friendly;
c) bars with a good selection;
d) rip off bars (still a lot every where)
c) cheap places… Salons, Tochkas
and so on. I think I can find 50 items or more…
You might understand that this have nothing to do with a single girl… Of course we write reports,, but usually we write where we found them.
This in an experience exchange… no more no less.
I had experiences with sponsored girls… they advertise, why should I refrain from writing about them and the attitude they have?
Of course that girls will try to cover imperfections… sure we all do this.
The problem is another: when they are telling they are doing something… like anal or BBBJ, and then you find out they are not… or you phone to an agency and get a girl which is not the one you asked for. It happened to me in Ukraine… in an agency and I got the Mistery Tramp (readers will know who I’m speaking on)… but they told me that the girl was different… Dr Skank by the way I was asking for a girl with big tits!!!! And I got her! I think it was nice in any case…
If you do not read a thing like ISG it might be difficult to be laid as you like in Istanbul or in Kisnev, or in small cities… and it will be very easy to be ripped off in Sofia, in Italy generally, or in Germany.
I was at BlueNote in Düsseldorf, a nice place, but you have to be in the German culture to understand, somebody might be offended if sitting in a sauna ad a couple gets in and the girl just starts to suck the other men’s cock, in front of you, so you have a nice voyeur spectacle… but you have to know!
Just a more thing on girls… some time I told that there are girls much better in reality than in photo… curious one is a Russian one, and now she is offering free photo sessions to mongers (on ground she have seen what pics can do…)
I’m sorry but this is my opinion (an I think the one of most the members here) so you do not want that we speak on you… we do not come. And it all..
By the way if you learn to use internet quickly and decently you do not need at all ISG for travel (!!!) of course here you can get infos on hotel bars, girls in hotels, etc, with you do not get on tourist sites, but usually it’s all.
The site is for mongering experience exchanging and, if wanted and agreed also girl (telephone) exchange… and of course girl description… I think that the Mistery Tramp exchange (photos - facts -telephones) is one of my favourite surely she has been Skanked, Mellied, Moored and Travelled… more than once. (one pic enclosed for amateurs!)
How could we get such info if we do not speak on girls… what are we here for? And you Helena what are you here for?
Let us know… it’s just because I’m realistic that I ask you…
IT
PS By the way in the internet photos are often photoshopped and the girls covered, but in strip bars often it is so dark that you can’t even see if your cock is inside or outside your pants!
GT:
“I am amused and entertained by all the war stories here about trolling for freebies and gifted amateurs. But as a mid-40's guy with no Russian, I always wonder - are these tactics and scenarios realistic for a guy like me? “
Maybe… Really there is no age limit for success with freebies, but of course a lot does depend on demographics. Things like your language skills, physical appearance, presence/confidence and bankroll do make a difference. A lot of it is knowing your target group. This varies from person to person. If you cant speak Russian, you are already limiting your target group, but it isnt too detrimental.
I for example generally prefer young girls (18-19) who are “mid to upper tier” looks-wise and NOT typical party girls. My favorites are the sweet but sexy types who are looking to have their first adventures, first romance and fun. I seem to click the best with this group. With these girls the key to success is personality and not bankroll. They enjoy fun and adventure just as much as a new pair of panties… nonetheless, an occasional gift is really appreciated. If I like a girl from this group I treat her to an occasional but not “spoiling” gift. I usually give the ones I really like mid-level gifts only after a few meetings, to judge their level of true affection.
Another of my target groups is late 20’s girls who are working mentally and physically draining jobs and need some adventure and sex. They can often be very good looking and very uninhibited sexually. Bankroll somewhat important, but not overly so. They generally like a little romance (dinners) and an occasional gift (perfume etc.), but by no means will it bust your budget and by no means are gifts even necessary… but they do make a good impression. Girls at this age expect a man to be successful, anything less isnt a man worth fucking.
I also occasionally go for the high-octane “elite club” type. This type is very much interested in your money. If you are great-looking, you might score regularly for free, however this type of girl knows her market value and she also knows that she can only survive the club circuit for 5-6 years tops before she is recycled into second-tier clubs and her day is gone. You can manipulate this type very easily with cash and confidence, which is only fair since they are essentially there to manipulate you too. Not my favorite type of girl, although I admit I have met a few gems here too. Not all elite club girls are money-hungry ******.
”How easy or difficult is it for a mid-40s professional (English gentleman type)with a nice suit and modest bankroll to score with young lovelies?”
I wouldn’t say it is easy… actually scoring freebies isn’t that easy for any of us, but if you are confident and resilient you will do so.
Here are a few thoughts.
· Despite what anybody says, scoring freebies in Russia isn’t automatic by any means. You have to get out there on the front lines and fight. I enjoy quoting the SAS creed “Who dares wins”. You will have to approach women, very rarely will they approach you.
· Freebie does mean free. Free however also means “normal dating expenses”. If you expect to get by on $50 daily running cost expenses, stay home or go somewhere else. But don’t think just throwing your money at girls will get you somewhere either. Especially the clever club girls will laughingly lap it up and move on… without you. Remember, unless you are really loaded, your cash can’t compete with Moscow cash.
· You CAN compete with charm, confidence and poise. Girls love successful, confident and manly guys. Its your best weapon. I like to say “presence not presents.”
· Russia and particularly Moscow is loaded with beauty and charming, wonderful women. Be careful that you don’t addict yourself. For me, it is too late. My most recent trip still has left me pleasantly shell-shocked with emotions I thought I’d forgotten how to feel. Thank you Alyona.
· Get into the Moscow spirit. All of the plotting and strategies are great to keep in the back of your mind, but when you are on the ground slugging it out, you’ll have to adjust to the situation. Fire and maneuver. Let Moscow kidnap you.
· Get enough sleep… during the early evening, its essentially down time in Moscow where everybody is commuting back home. It is the worst trawling time IMHO. In my opinion the two greatest potential pitfalls are too much alcohol and lack of sleep. If you are going to drink a lot, make sure it is with a girl that is also drinking… and preferably one that you have met before. A drunken fuck can be a great thing. But if you are drunk and nobody else is, you won’t be getting a drunken fuck, you’ll be the drunken fuck. And remember that Moscow club life doesn’t begin before midnight and doesn’t end until 5 or 6am.
That said, a well-maintained 40ish gentlemen could do quite well in Moscow. Bring some charm, bring some cash, bring some confidence and stay positive.
And if the freebie game isn’t working, go to a club and pay for sex to take the edge off and get your confidence back. It can help a lot. And even though going home alone can feel like defeat, there really is no shame in not scoring freebies, because there is no guarantee.
First, I'd like to say thanks for this good advice (and all the rest in this thread)!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]GT:
I for example generally target either young girls (18-19) who are “mid to upper tier” looks-wise and NOT typical party girls. My favorites are the sweet but sexy types who are looking to have their first adventures, first romance and fun. With these girls the key to success is personality and not bankroll. They enjoy fun and adventure just as much as a new pair of panties… nonetheless, an occasional gift is really appreciated. If I like a girl from this group I treat her to an occasional but not “spoiling” gift.
Another of my target groups is late 20’s girls who are working mentally and physically draining jobs and need some adventure and sex. They can often be very good looking and very uninhibited sexually. Another good target group. Bankroll somewhat important, but not overly so. They generally like a little romance (dinners) and an occasional gift (perfume etc.), but by no means will it bust your budget and by no means are gifts even necessary… but they do make a good impression. Girls at this age expect a man to be successful.[/QUOTE]These really are two target groups that interest me a great deal. It is not the youth that I need (desirable though that is) but the freshness and enthusiasm. And I don't really like paying directly for sex - I have never felt that I got good value - but then maybe I have been shopping in the wrong places! I am happy to spend money on a girl, but I don't want shell out $200 then feel like I am punching a timeclock!
So it is not saving money that interests me, but rather getting something closer to a real girlfriend experience. An enthusiastic "7" is preferable to a calculating "9".
Another piece of advice I liked (I think it was yours) was about buying lingerie for a date, rather than relying on expensive meals. I had a great experience like this with a Ukrainian woman in Toronto of all places! On our first date, over (an expensive) dinner she told me that she had a "stocking fantasy". So the next day I rushed out and bought her a nice pair & garter and sent them to her in thanks for a great date. The second date she brought them along and modelled them for me - and she was stunning and it made her so hot! So I guess good things can happen to old guys!
This experience (not typical in my life so far) along with a trip to Kiev last year really opened my eyes to Ukrainian/Russian women and thus, here I am, trying to learn at the feet of masters.
The other problem is timing. So much of what is discussed here relies on being out all night, but I will have to work (or at least pretend to) during the days. Does anyone have suggestions for daylight (or at least early evening) hunting? I would far rather be buying my prospective partner dinner and anticipating the evening ahead, than dining alone and drinking until the clubs fill up!
Again, thanks,
GT
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I am amused and entertained by all the war stories here about trolling for freebies and gifted amateurs. But as a mid-40's guy with no Russian, I always wonder - are these tactics and scenarios realistic for a guy like me?
Surely a lot of the potential for success depends on age, looks, language skills and the size of your bankroll (even freebies must usually cost something)? Or are you saying it all depends on your knowledge of the terrain and technique?
So I wonder if some of the veterans could share a bit of biographical or demographic information? What range of age and physical appearance are we dealing with here?[/QUOTE]I, too, am interested to know the demographics of the mongers here. It would help to have a benchmark and set the right expectations.
I'm no experts like Doc, CAT....but I think that scoring in Russia is earier than where most of us come from. As to how much easier, it would have to depend on one's looks, age, charm, personality, language skills and perhaps bank account. And the better you're in one area, the more you can afford to lack in other areas. It's a total package. It really is like dating in the West, it's just easier. So the younger, better looking you are, the easier it is. On the other hand, if you're more mature and less phisically fit, the more money you need to have. It's all about the value you provide (I'm sure Doc had talked about it before).
I think it's definitely possible for mid-40s gentlemen to score, provided having a decent bank account or as least willingness to spend money in Russia.
I have been reading so many war stories just like GT here. Without knowing the demographics of the mongers here, it's difficult to set the right expectation and know what tactics to use. So for my 2 previous trips to Russia, I basically went without much of a plan and expectations. I tried to see them as cultural adventures before I went because I didn't want to get my hopes too high. In the end I think I fared very well, but then again, I don't know what is considered very well because I don't know the benchmark for my demographic group (younger, but speak no Russian at all).
It'd be nice to know what other mongers' backgrounds are.
GT:
Sounds like you have already been bitten by the EE bug...
At 45 you are pushing the envelope for the really young innocent ones, 18 or 19 year old students, as generally they observe fairly normal dating habits and have never dated anyone mor ethan 5 years older than themsleves. I speak from experience, as I am in my mid-30s and occasionally do meet some age resistance as well. That said, EE does play by its own rules and after some initial resistance, the initial caution turns to curiousity and then to fascination as most of the girls warm up to the idea and enjoy the attention of an older and experienced boyfriend or lover. It is a matter of prestige to many girls. You'll find many EE girls on dating sites who will flat out state that they dont want anyone under 25 or even under 30. So you should give it a shot in any case. One big plus in this kind of relationship is that an 18 year old girl doesnt really expect the relationship to last forever, she just really enjoys the ride.
"And I don't really like paying directly for sex"
I often dont want to pay for sex either for emotional reasons, but success with freebie success can go hand in hand with pro sex. I personally really believe that an occasional pro can help keep your confidence levels up. Most pros I have been with perform well, it is me that is the deciding factor on whether or not the evening will be fun. Don't think about the money, just try to enjoy the evening as much as possible and treat the girl like your girlfriend... but the kind of girlfriend every man dreams of, one that does everything you want her to do.
"An enthusiastic "7" is preferable to a calculating "9"."
Of course this is true in both the pro sex and freebie sex worlds, at least in my experience. I really must say though that many 8/9 pros perform well, especially if you approach them with confidence. Many mongers are intimidated by them and let themselves get walked all over. For example with BBBJ and kissing. I almost always get that, I simply insist on it... in a nice yet forceful way. I usually clear this up beforehand and if a girl is absolutely against it, I dont take her.
Expensive meals.
Depends on the girl. I pretty much stopped doing this as well, unless I have a girl who really needs this type of courtship. For some girls a nice meal and romantic chit-chat is foreplay. Thankfully this kind of girl is usually the kind who doesnt like clubs, so you can go directly from the restaurant to your apartment or hotel for a drink and more...
"So I guess good things can happen to old guys!"
Definitely. Think George Clooney or even aging Sean Connery. Even Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp are mid-30s. Age can be an aphrodisiac. Consider yourself superior to the young guys and act like it in a nice fashion. The young guys are using their own weapons. Use yours.
"The other problem is timing."
I have the same problem, I often "work" until midnight. On those nights, clubs are often the only option. If you do however have your evenings free, pre-arranging dates via internet might be your best option. I also suggest concentrating on a limited number of targets. Overscheduling will drive you nuts. Also, you may not score on the first date... set her up for date 2 and go for it. On nights where you arent going to score, send her home early (around midnight) and go find a pro to poke for a couple of hours.
If clubs arent your thing, you should work the internet or chat up normal girls on the street and set up dates. The clubs will suck the energy out of you and there is no guarantee there either. I generally enjoy the clubs, but certainly also enjoy a night in as well.
Selecting gifts
It was me that suggested buying lingerie, but that is one of the classic gifts, so I can hardly take credit for it. Its a good gift in the sense that unless you mess up the date entirely, she will likely model it for you. Perfume can be a good gift too (as it is practical and available in duty free), but in my opinion is a better gift for a regular freebie you have seen at least once or twice before. If a first date gift is too sexy, it can seem a bit too contrived. Perfume is also a bit too standard for a first date, although many girls do like it. I personally like to give her something that has something to do with her personality... so she rightfully gets the impression you are paying attention to her and not just to her ass. She'll love the personal attention and may very well give you her ass ín appreciation. I often use the lingerie trick once she is already in the room or apartment... the "I bought a little something I thought would look great on you" trick. Many times this led to an immediate impromptu fashion show...
Dear friends ;)
It's me again. But now with some good news. Here I read that many of you are unsure if normal dating with young girls are possible in principal. Absolutely wrong approach. Mature men are very attractive (sometimes ;)). Many young girls prefer them to "green" boys of their own age. But from mature man they expect not just mature looks, but mature actions. Girls want to be taken care about, to have some tender romans, which youngsters can't offer. From mature men always expected some guidance due to their life-experience, the ability to fix problems and of course, charm. As for myself, when I was 19-20 year old girl, I preferred older ones. I had serious love-affairs with man 20 or more years older than myself. Of course, they spent money on me, too (greedy men would have no chance no matter young or old), but that wasn't the point. If they bankrupted, I would not leave them only because of this. At that time I was already a working girl, and I stopped business to have wonderful time with my mature lovers. I valued these relationships more than work, and I still don't regret for doing so, not for a moment. With some of them I'm still in good terms. Even my first lover was 33 (I was 16 at that time), and it was also good experience. And no doubt, mature men are much better in bad then young ones (of course, when they don't lie like logs with the face expression "try to fuck me, and we'll see if you can make me hard"). One of my life-best lovers was 53. I was 19 and he cheated to me that he was 43 ;), but he looked much better than most of 30 year old men. Now he is 63 and still after young girls. And I'm sure they still love him for the charm, care and sexuality (he is still a body-builder and in excellent shape). Even me, after many years fill some "electricity" when he calls me to say hello on the phone.
So. There is no such thing as age resistance. It's only the matter of your personality. If you are attractive and interesting person, you'll be attractive and interesting at any age. Don’t be afraid to try your chances ;)) Women easily forgive stomachs, wrinkles, lack of hair to good companions. And if you are a mature lover of a young girl, you also have to realize that you are in a way responsible for this girl and her feelings, because there is nothing uglier than a mature-looking man with a behavior of a spoiled 13-year old teenager. If you don't want to take efforts to become a charming, generous companion (it's not just about money, but about emotional generosity, you eager to please, to make time unforgettable), and just need a quick "undeserved" fuck than you'll have to deal with professionals who don't care.
Dear Helena,
Thank you for your kind and generous advice to us older guys!
What a nice thing to say!
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Dear friends ;)
And if you are a mature lover of a young girl, you also have to realize that you are in a way responsible for this girl and her feelings, because there is nothing uglier than a mature-looking man with a behavior of a spoiled 13-year old teenager. If you don't want to take efforts to become a charming, generous companion (it's not just about money, but about emotional generosity, you eager to please, to make time unforgettable), and just need a quick "undeserved" fuck than you'll have to deal with professionals who don't care.[/QUOTE]Yes, Helena, this is precisely the kind of relationship I am looking for - being generous with my money, attention and treatment of her and her being generous to me with her youth and beauty. I think I have found a sweet young student for this kind of relationship in Kiev (I will only know for sure when I get there, and will have a Plan B), but am still looking in Moscow.
That said, I appreciate all the advice others have given about having a professional back-up to keep moral up and ensure some kind of success! And then I suppose there is the thrill of the hunt that seems to drive so many of the veterans here...
Great advice, everyone!
GT
CharlieH:
"In the end I think I fared very well, but then again, I don't know what is considered very well because I don't know the benchmark"
If it felt good and you were happy, then you did well. One of the major hazards of being surrounded by such beauty in Russia is not appreciating what you have. If she made you happy, then she is the most wonderful girl. Nobody can ever take that away from you and it isnt a contest.
Helena_M:
Thanks for the interesting insight... was a pleasure to read. For most guys posting here though, they have little chance to do real courtship... they usually have just a few days and sometimes just a few hours to get what they are looking for. So do excuse us sometimes if we talk about the "hunt" in a fashion which isnt always romantic. That said, I always suggest that mongers in Russia try both pro and "normal" options. Often an intercultural romance can make both parties very happy.
What is the correct name of this "PZ" place?
A watering hole for drunken dyevs sounds like a great place!
Girls with low inhibitions and high bar bills are a good market!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]PZ is within walking distance and we decide to go there, which turns out to be a good choice. We stroll past PZ’s unpredictable feis control and check our coats, heading upstairs to the club. Instantly we realize it’s a good choice. Although small and maybe even a bit dumpy, PZ is a good place to meet regular Russians and especially a great place to meet chicks getting really drunk. Finding a sober chick in PZ, although presumably possible, is difficult. Not that we were looking.[/QUOTE]And while we are on the subject, what recommendations do people have for stocking the bar in an apartment - meaning are there typical favourite drinks for young ladies? Left to my own devises, I would mostly stock Krimsekt champagne, some beer & vodka - assuming that would cover most tastes. I am not a scotch drinker, so I don't want to buy a lot of that if the ladies don't drink it. I hear a lot of mentions of Bailey's - is that a typical dyev drink? Anything special that tends to impress?
GT
Assuming you would like to try to take the birds out of the tree through standard clubbing action without the help of cash or let s say straight cash what s your reccomandation. I know Leto , First and Billionare any advice on others.
Thanks
GT:
PZ is Parizhskaya Zhizn, kind of a dumpy club but it attracts girls that drink. It is a good Mon-Wed club option when most other places suck, Thu-Sun there are better places.
Good drinks to have around are Sovetsky Champagne, Baileys, Martini, beer and vodka...covers almost all the bases. Some girls wont drink vodka, some do, some like beer, many dont etc.
Do not forget to visit:
- Dyagelev (actually the best club in Moscow)
- Gazgolder
- Club XIII
- Cabaret
Damnit Cicciolino!
I was hoping no one would mention Dyagilev! Its the nicest club I have ever seen. And right next door to PZ, so I guess it isnt much of a secret... :)
Fuck, there goes the neighborhood...
Club XIII recently reopened, but I hear it hasnt caught on again yet. Great interior though, and near Papa Johns, Propaganda and Petrovich.
First moved.
Leto closed as far as I know.
Cabaret moved some time ago, but havent been to the new one.
Krisis Zhanra plays good music (Britpop etc. and not that same house music you hear everywhere else), but doesnt attract too many cute girls.
Gazgolder is my 2nd favorite place, but it isnt easy to get into without connections or the right company.
Hey Doc
Don't care, in Dyagilev will get in who has to be in. The face control is doing a good job!
XIII is sometimes a very good place to pick-up freebies but just sometimes. The old XIII has been much better but Garry still remains the number 1 as Moscows best promoter.
In May I will be back in town! For easter time, I gonna enjoy some beauties in Lativa :-)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Damnit Cicciolino!
I was hoping no one would mention Dyagilev! Its the nicest club I have ever seen. And right next door to PZ, so I guess it isnt much of a secret... :)
Fuck, there goes the neighborhood...
Club XIII recently reopened, but I here it hasnt caught on again yet. Great interior though, and near Papa Johns, Propaganda and Petrovich.
First moved.
Leto closed as far as I know.
Cabaret moved some time ago, but havent been to the new one.
Krisis Zhanra plays good music (britpop etc. and not that same house music you hear everywhere), but doesnt attract too many cute girls.
Gazgolder is my 2nd favorite place, but it isnt to get into without connections or the right company.[/QUOTE]
Anyone else want to volunteer demographics, like that guy a couple of days ago suggested?
I'll go first
Late 20's
Small business owner
American (California)
Been in Moscow- 2 1/2 years
Average looks
Last exp. w/ mongering?
5 months ago, really bad exp. Really bad.
That place Garage off Pushkinskaya really fills up with the working girls on the weekdays. Almost every time I have been there I have been approached. That was my last foray into mongering, put me off for a while. At that time, I was there with a couple of friends, but they took off to Night Flight. I was going to join them but I bumped into this girl I recognized from CF. I thought she was a civilian, but nope, I was wrong. She kind of took advantage of my drunken condition and talked me into taking her home for the night. Big mistake. She proceeded to flood my bathroom during her shower and then wake up my neighbors with her shouting. Oddly shrill voice. Oh, yeah, she also managed to spill scalding hot tea on my crotch.
In bed she started shrieking commands at me, God that was bad. As I hustled her out the door she was pissed with the 300 rubles I gave her for a cab (Dinamo to Ul. 1905) and wanted 1000 rubles. She again woke up my neighbors with the shouting.
If you see a tall dirty-blonde name Ira (I know, half the female population of Moscow) stay away.
I am still here in the US chasing 18-22 white college chicks and I am older than 35. I will see you in Russai when I am done here. Fuck demographics. Go after what you want and fuck what everyone else thinks.
[QUOTE=Guy #2]
I am chasing 18-22 chicks and I am old n sad.
Fuck me you and fuck everyone else.
[/QUOTE]
How about some photos with your bragging?
Sorry about your experience Peasant - but ya gotta laugh - at least I did.
[url]http://russianescorts.biz/[/url]
Are they genuine or just a rip-off site?
[url]http://russianescorts.biz/[/url]
They seem a bit pricey. 50% surcharge when you order after 1am?
That 20 dollars charge for later calls for a taxi is crap too. For 20 dollars (about 550 rubles) you can get a driver to do about 20 laps around the MKAD
[QUOTE=Patxe][url]http://russianescorts.biz/[/url]
Are they genuine or just a rip-off site?[/QUOTE]
I just think the pictures are mostly fake, of course it’s an opinion, but I think so.. there are a lot of other better sites…
And then the prices… from 150 to 400 USD an hour… seems crazy even for Moscow!
For 200 USD you can get laid for an afternoon from two to four hours (I think 400-500 for an overnight) with a real model: Julia Borisova (and of course lots of others, this is only a sample). I think she was even on Russian edition of Playboy. Here a couple of intriguing photos in the snow and one naked… (taken from her agency page).
She send them out as reference (with a lot of others) to possible customers.
These photos are only well shot (might that she is a real model) and not photoshopped.
[url]http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24017.html[/url]
[url]http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24018.html[/url]
[url]http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24020.html[/url]
A real portrait
[url]http://www.realmodels.ru/girls/72328-24048.html[/url]
I have no idea how she is in bed...
Of course this is a real model agency.. not an escort agency! But Julia, on ground she is not working too much as a model makes also some sex with customers… she is advertising in several sites for pros.
IT
Speaking of the factors that affect our success in Russia/Moscow, I think that while looks, money etc are important, there's one thing that's probably the most critical-How long are we staying in Russia? Girls want to know that you're not there to fuck for 1 week and take off. Many girls are looking for something serious/or at least longer term. They either hope the foreign men will marry them and take them back to wherever they come from, or the foreign men stay/live in Russia long enough. If they know you're there for vacation only many will lose interests. I think Doc (once again, this guy knows everything) had mentioned that we want to give them the impression that we visit Russia regularly and have business there. This is a great advice.
Just don't lie to them that you love them or want to marry them if you don't as we already discussed before.
I've had enough girls asking me if I'll ever move to Russia and if I'm there on business, etc...I always tell them I'm only there for vacation (which is the truth). Many lose interests but a few don't care (girls that just wanna have a good time).
Unfortunatly I don't have pro-actions to report back from my latest trip (just got back). But I do have a couple observations I'd like to share, hopefully they'll help mongers in some ways. It was very difficult to book an apartment, most were rented out. Assuming I wasn't being lied to, this means more visitors in Moscow or as least more are staying at apartments as opposed to hotels. Nah, I think I was lied to because I only wanted to stay for a few days. So make sure to take care of your accomendation before you go and have backup plans. These people will gladly bump you for someone stays longer or offers them more cash. So be aware!
The streets are not as busy as New Year/Christmas. Both foot and car traffic is obviously not as heavy as New Year. My flights were almost empty (Aeroflot, service is still lousy, no more free alchoholic drinks, you've gotta pay for it). I guess people don't travel in April. I think the best time to monger is summer. Students don't have school, people on vacation, etc.... New Year while putting people in festive mood, most girls have to be with their families.
I think that if one can set up some sort of business (doesn't even have to be big) in Russia and visit there regularly (half the year in Russia). Girls will kick down your door and beg you to fuck them. Scoring in Russia is really so easy, one just have to be decent, have decent income, stays/lives in Russia long enough to be around them more. Sure girls want a better material life but they also want their men to be around them more. I can't even begin to count how many girls I know live with their mothers and grandmothers. Where are all the men? So if you're semi-kind, have a decent job, and foreign they'll gladly fuck your brains out if you'll be around long enough.
Sorry for the rambling and not much mongering info.
Russia is a unique country. It's fucked up, corrupt, dark, gloomy yet can be cheerful, resilient, upbeat. And of course there are the krasiviye devushki that keep us going back for more. It's a fascinating country.
Guys monger with care and responsibility.
Dear Friends,
Finally Iriska (Irina) came out with a funny ICQ request… 50 €!
She said she had no money… but she does not remember (too drunk) that I saw her credit cards (!!!) and she said se was buying things with monthly instalments of 50 USD… Funny. Obviously I said no… and she will not be in my agenda any more.
She even used some of my pictures, not the one where she is cummed of course, for new ads in [url]www.omen.ru[/url].
Unfortunately my April trip to Moscow has been suspended so I’m very sad not to get a weekend with the chubby blondinka… but I’ll surely go there before the summer to check if she said the truth, real blonde, chubby, unshaven… mmmmmh what a DATY it will be! Pink lips in the forest… it’s still one of my passions! When I touched her in the restaurant (just on the arm) she had an incredible soft skin, like silk, and the chubby and soft body must be even better.
I have seen even more interesting girls to be sponsored for normal dating… some really interesting. Unfortunately my visits in Moscow are always to short!
IT
IT:
I have been following your inspiring sponsorship chronicles for some time, good reading!
As far as Iriska is concerned, dont hold it against her. She is just a girl that needs money and in order to get it, fucks people. She is the butter for our bread. I dont think you should send her money (I PROBABLY never would), but you cant blame her for trying.
We also shouldnt be too cheap with the girls. An extra $50, really a joke in our world, can make a big difference to them sometimes. Of course we shouldnt let ourselves be used by the girls and never forget that with pros (even semi-pros like many sponsored girls are) the deal is essentially a business deal, opening up to them a bit and allowing a girlfriend -like atmosphere to develop (as much as this is possible in such brief encounters) can really turn an average evening into a very memorable one.
And she using your pictures? Consider it a compliment. Accept it with a degree of deserved pride...
"Unfortunately my visits in Moscow are always to short!"
That is the cruel fate most of us suffer, but it does keep you hungry for more, doesn't it?
I think we have to meet once… I very often agree with what you are writing.. . By the way when I write “I’m putting her off the agenda”, it means also “if I find nothing better”… I’m still very interested in her tight tight rear entrance… But she always says NO NO NO…
For making you happy (and her too if you might go).
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=632012[/url]
It’s Irina.
Happy Easter. Let me go to dinner!
Dear Friends,
on ground I received several PM asking me on this or that link… I think I can put on ISG a little work I already did on Internet resources for sex in Moscow.
Of course there are hundreds… From self proposing small Salons to big search engines with over 1.500 girls.
I usually use tockas and clubs outside Moscow, but in Moscow I’m more fascinated on Salons (real brothels, where you can chose on the spot saying "anal a step forward!"), and pros making internet ads. I do not like to go to crowded and smoky clubs, I prefer a girl in the bed, nearly always for overnight (I like to take them in the morning… specially anally), some room service and perhaps a BBBJ between the main course and the desert.
Of course some might not like this thing… but tastes (fortunately!) are different.
I shall just tell (as I have been told) how it works. Big sites are just like a paper with advertising, and girls or salons just pay them (by the way a lot of money… approx 200 USD/month and 12-15.000 RUR for a year), but they told me that a good advertising make a lot of difference in customers. There are also several other business involved: other ads like saunas, bars or wherever you want to go with a rented girl… And of course photographers, photoshoppers, make up artists etc.
On ground of the fact this thing is really long I have divided it in to four parts.
A) Some links for understanding real, fake, photoshopped photos… of course if a photo seems real it does not mean that the girl you get at the door is the right one..
B) Small sites: from salons, Erotic Massage Salons (usually no intercourse), even single girls (but just some of this because thy usually last just some weeks). I include medium sized sites.
C) Big sites, usually with over 500 girls or a lot of salons, some are there just on ground they are since the 90s, in Internet it means real archaeology. They have a longer comment.
D) A list of a couple of dozens of girls which I believe have real photos, and for me are, in some way interesting, surely often not beauties, but a real 18teen making CIM; or a skinny tall girl; or an anal petite, or whatever. If you have nailed some please let me know (with the link) because next time I will be in Russia, I surely will be spending a whole week out for salons and homes (!).
In all these I included only Russian sites, not the many .co.uk, or .com.ua or so… there are many also in English, but usually really for tourists and overpriced (1000 USD night… I think I can get to bed with three teens for same price).
Of course you have to understand a little Russian at least or use a translation software.
[url]http://translation.paralink.com/default.asp[/url]
[url]www.translate.ru[/url], but there are others too.
Of course for the old Moscow mongers this can be non useful. I put my self there because I still remember the third floor bar at the Intourist hotel where in the early 90s, completely openly, with no hassle at all.. you could get a nice teen for a Franklin a day, or even less if she was not a beauty (yes I was meaning exactly a day!). But on the fact when I send a pic or whatever saying a girl is on intimcity or omen, I often get mails asking how to get them… here they are…
I was even thinking to open a separate thread on Internet Resources, because there are really a lot…
But I want your opinions…
IT
PS here an interesting thing…
[url]http://www.suter.ru/index.php?ind=2&menu=3[/url]
A customer black list, made by girls, with addresses, names, car types, and mainly cellular numbers! Watch if you are there!
I think that a lot of you guys, been at home of girls or in a Salon, can agree… Its very difficult to recreate (in a fake picture) the atmosphere of a Komunalka…
Some pictures are evidently photoshopped ad some are obviously fake…
Just some samples.
Surely true photos:
[url]http://extralove.ru/list.php?g=Девушки&link=968[/url] this, for instance, is too naïve not to be true.
[url]http://www.devchenki.ru/showanketbynum.php?Num=12972[/url] surely true because I fucked her!
Perhaps true and photoshopped
[url]http://www.kleopatra.org.ru/vika/index.php[/url] legs are ...
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27875[/url] the body…
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26208[/url] look at the face… photoshopped
Surely fake:
[url]http://www.sexdolls.ru/anketa.php?id=352ù[/url] I do not think that even in Moscow you can get, as advertised a such girl for 220/night!!!
[url]http://www.toplady.ru/link.php?link=180[/url]
[url]http://www.toplady.ru/foto1.php?photos/p191_1.jpg[/url] if it was true, for 200 USD/night, I should take the plane immediately… She is a well known photo model!
I started with Erotic Massage Salons, usually there is no intercourse… but orgasm. Body massage and so on. Some even with sex with the girls… Usually the prices are on a menu.
This is not my passion, like lap dance, so this part might be enriched a lot.
[url]http://www.emassag.ru/[/url]
Several massage salons advertising together… no sex, something between a lap-dance and sex, with physical contact, orgasm but no introduction!
[url]http://www.eromassage.ru/[/url]
Another erotic massage site, not the copy of the one before
[url]http://www.erotic-massage.ru/[/url]
Erotic massage with “intim” or sex if you like at fixed price in Two Moscow locations…
Tried once, not bat, a lot of youngish not in photos.
[url]http://massagemoscow.narod.ru/[/url]
A small massage site.. very slow only 950 RUR/hour.
[url]http://www.pussycats.ru/[/url]
Small site with girls for erotic massage, saunas etc…
Some small medium sites. Usually the are from a “Salon” i.e. a Brothel. Usually the best choice, in my opinion, for an interesting afternoon… just go there, take a drink or a tee or a coffee ad you can usually fuck as much as you can a girl or two or even three for usually less than 70 USD/hour each, but in some 2 hours are 100 USD, there are as low (in outside Moscow) as 40 USD/hour, and some has even 7’s or 8’s, but young inexperienced and of course zero English.
These sites have between a handsome to 50/60 or more (up to two hundred) girls, but none of them is the real bid ads sites. I give also some comments on the pictures…
[url]http://individualochkki.ru/[/url]
Small agency/brothel… many fake pictures.
[url]http://www.devki.org/[/url]
A handsome of girls… and boys advertised together… Ouchhh! I can’t see anything worse…
[url]http://www.infodosug.ru/[/url]
Another small site with less than 10 girls…
[url]http://www.kleopatra.org.ru/[/url]
A small agency/brothel with six girls… a lot of photoshop
[url]http://www.otsos.ru/[/url]
Another replicating site… I do not remember from where, usual 40-50 girls…
[url]http://www.prostitutka.ru/[/url]
A medium site 70-80 girls with both supermodels and cheap ones… Search engine Usual girls that you see on other sites… even known as [url]http://www.kremlindolls.ru/[/url]
[url]http://girl.sexfantasy.ru/reiting.php[/url]
A medium site with some dozens of girls
[url]http://girl.sdosug.ru/reiting.php[/url]
Very similar to the one above…
[url]http://www.irkdosug.com.ru/[/url]
Sex portal where you find also pros… pictures often coming from [url]www.dosug.nu[/url]. Much ads without pics.
[url]http://www.tutki.ru/[/url]
Medium size site with girls.. little bit slow in downloading… primitive.
[url]http://www.vip-dosug.com/[/url]
Advertised somewhere like a pro site it’s just a porn site… with even viruses.
[url]http://devku.ru/[/url]
Small agency with a handsome of girls.
[url]http://vipexs.com/[/url]
A model agency… fucking models of course for 1.000 $ night!!! You can have three for the same price.. English version working… They advertise with real models… I do not know if it is true, but in Kiev I have been to bet with a central Page Playboy model for 80 USD for two hours… (just in 2004).
[url]http://www.sexdolls.ru/[/url]
Approx 80 girls… in my opinion a lot of fake pics…
[url]http://indosug.ru/[/url]
Small agency… few girls and few links. Seems fake… a link to [url]http://top-girls.ru/[/url] the top twenty of the big [url]www.red-club.ru[/url].
[url]http://bigtits2000.ru/[/url]
A small site, just some “girls”, perfect for people loving oldies… some over 50!
[url]http://sexutopia.ru/[/url]
Small agency with 20 girls.. high prices
[url]http://emmanuelle.ru/[/url]
Another small agency/ads site with approx 20 girls
[url]http://www.goldlady.ru/[/url]
Good site with search engine (age, dimension etc.). Mainly the same girls (approx 200) that are on the other big sites. Comments from the public.
[url]http://www.marmeladki.ru/[/url]
Another very small site with some girls… otherwise good search engine.
[url]http://vippopka.ru/[/url]
A small agency or site… few girls
[url]http://sexrelax.ru/[/url]
Few girls on the expensive side… some photo seems fake.
[url]http://www.misskiss.ru/[/url]
An Agency or Brothel with some girls…
[url]http://www.1905goda.ru/[/url]
Brothel/Agency at the same metro station, even apartments, seems on the expensive side. Few girls.
[url]http://msksex.ru/[/url]
Seems to be an ad site of an agency, even if all the girls have different cells, on the cheap side. Even boys for girls! (very strange).
[url]http://www.sexmission.ru/[/url]
Site with girls for erotic massage (not sex) in saunas etc. English section not working…
[url]http://www.znakomstva.info/[/url]
The site of the well known sex advertising magazine you can find everywhere in Moscow. Area search engine with sex type and price. Nothing to do with the magazine where you get 1000 girls at least.
[url]http://ww19.individualki.ru/index.htm[/url]
A medium site with 30-40 girls (most of them seen on the big sites)
[url]http://sorl.ru/[/url]
Should be a small exclusive site with models… 10 normal girls, but useful links like the one to a couple of Salons and another site… the following.
[url]http://intimlife.ru/[/url]
An Individualki site of ads, with approx 100 girls and some links to Salons. But most of the girls and the lesbo pairs are on the bigger sites.
[url]http://sexhouse.ru/[/url]
Small ad/agency site, some different categories, a little too slow.
[url]http://sultana.ru/[/url]
Seems to be the same agency as over with other name…
[url]http://www.sexmoskva.ru/[/url]
Already seen agency…
[url]http://night-girls.ru/[/url]
Small ad/agency site, some different categories, a little too slow. On the expensive side.
[url]http://erozone.ru/[/url]
Site intended for Ekaterinenburg, but with a Moscow section, some photo surely fake, on ground they are from famous models, some seems true, on the expensive side. Search engine
Surely fake: [url]http://erozone.ru/members.php?id=53[/url]
[url]http://www.erozone.ru/[/url]
Of course a mirror site of what’s over…
[url]http://www.sexescort.ru/[/url]
Agency Ads on the expensive side…
[url]http://salon69.hwsite.ru/[/url]
Brothel/Agency near Majakovskaja.. photos seem fake, no prices…
[url]http://www.sexmoskva.net/[/url]
Ad site not many girls, a lot of Photoshopping!
[url]http://www.x-stars.ru/[/url]
Many girls in this ads site, but it is very slow and it makes your PC standing still several seconds…
A lot of work on the photos.
[url]http://www.djlove.ru/[/url]
Just a handsome of girls…
[url]http://www.irkdosug.ru/[/url]
Small selection and links to other sites…
[url]http://qween.ru/[/url]
50/60 girls… Many seen elsewhere…
[url]http://hotgirls.ru/main/index.php[/url]
Just a handsome of girls…
[url]http://putana.biz/[/url]
Small selection of usual girls.
[url]http://dosugvip.ru/[/url]
30-40 girls, with details.. a fixed search system…
[url]http://www.sexsalon.org/[/url]
Small agency, a dozen or so.
[url]http://citylove.ru/intl/?AT=1[/url]
90 girls, on ground of your browser detection, comes out directly in English version.. Many photos seem really fake…
[url]http://sashenka.ru/[/url]
Ads site with a lot of girls.. different sections. Even a VIP part with only 18teen! (at 200 USD an hour, photo guaranteed!?!) Russians like the young. Seems true. Never used. Some girl with personal site on narod.ru
[url]http://www.indiv.ru/[/url]
A site of a single girl… if you are interested in oldies and BBW this is for you!
[url]http://www.realgirl.ru./index.php[/url]
Small Salon with some oldies…
[url]http://www.lolitki.ru/[/url]
Just a handsome of girls.. but no lolitki at all!!!! Unfortunately…
[url]http://izis.ru/[/url]
A small advertising site with two sections: 20-40 girls per section, price divided, in the first up to 250/night, in the second lux ones up to 500/night. Known girls from other sites, but some bargains (if photo are true) in the low-cost area. Some for 150!
[url]http://www.lenok.ru/[/url]
Advertising… prostitutki from 30 USD… Always the same thing you see on big sites…
[url]http://www.tanyatanya.com/[/url]
The internet site of a famous Russian pornstar, selling films… but perhaps for some 1000’s !!!??? You can get some actress… really experienced.
[url]http://vip.tanyatanya.com/?link=prostitutki[/url]
The Tanya Tanya site of links where you get a lot of escort agencies even in English.
[url]http://xxxdosug.ru/[/url]
A agency site few girls…
[url]http://xxxintim.com/[/url]
Some dozens of model type girls… If the photos are true it is not so overpriced 300/450 night.
[url]http://intimhouse.ru/[/url]
Another medium site with 50 or so girls, quick. Well known girls form other sites, but some seems to beautiful and too cheap!
[url]http://www.sexgerls.ru/[/url]
Usual site with 80 or so girls…
[url]http://koketka.net/[/url]
Small ad site with some dozens of girls…
[url]http://modeli.ru/[/url]
Another site with a dozen or so of girls, they say the photo are real… seems so but who know who will come?
[url]http://kisski.ru/[/url]
Medium site with 50/60 girls, some very beautiful and very expensive 15.000 RUR !!! it’s more than 550 USD.
[url]http://prostitutka.us/[/url]
Just a dozen.
[url]http://www.geteraclub.ru/[/url]
A club site with just a couple of girls, you have to go there to see the others…
[url]http://notsh.org/n.asp[/url]
A medium site, one of the oldest if I remember right.
[url]http://www.sexmolitva.narod.ru/[/url]
A girls’ site (with a male!). If you want a threesome… (I prefer with two girls…)
[url]http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/gallery2/[/url]
A medium site with 50 girls, sarch engine..
[url]http://ckazka.ru/[/url]
Agency 20/30… rigid primitive software.
[url]http://www.katenka.ru/[/url]
One of the most well known Salons in Moscow, sending girls even home… some overpriced unfortunately now it is in St. Peterburg! Once it was in Moscow…
[url]http://vipelita.ru/modules/sex/[/url]
A vip salon agency, nice teens but 250 for two hours…
[url]http://www.xdosug.ru/[/url]
A handsome of girls in a too complicated system, too many things and too slow…
[url]http://dosuglist.ru/[/url]
80 girls or so a lot of BBW and oldies…
[url]http://viplady.ru/[/url]
Model type girls, very nice but quite expensive
[url]http://www.individualki.ru/[/url]
Medium size site, normal.
[url]http://sexopilki.ru/[/url]
Medium site with known girls (they are also on other sites).
[url]http://girlforsex.ru/[/url]
Small agency, some really naïve… but stupid if you try to get the telephone you are linked to another site!
[url]http://www.olala.nu/[/url]
A dozen of girls or so, but if you use the search engine you get 70 or 80…
But if some are true… real bargains like these, but they are mixed Moscow and Petersburg
[url]http://www.olala.nu/cat.html?a=item&item_id=370[/url]
[url]http://www.olala.nu/cat.html?a=item&item_id=362[/url]
[url]http://www.uslugi.nu/[/url]
Another medium site, very slow...
[url]http://www.dosug.ms/[/url]
A medium site with girls and Salons, as usual.
[url]http://fei.ru/index.htm[/url]
Medium site with some dozens
[url]http://elitvip.ru/[/url]
Medium size site with well known girls form other sites…
[url]http://www.dosugvip.ru/[/url]
30-40 girls, in a “catalogue” sort…
[url]http://be-mine.ru/[/url]
60/70 girls, in a highly elaborated scenario.. a little bit too much, surely fake photos and well known girls. Another sample of impossible things…
This should be for 200 a night [url]http://be-mine.ru/details.php?id=102&key=1727517349[/url] unbelievable!
[url]http://vipdama.ru/[/url]
A dozen or so some really ugly…
[url]http://otkazov.net.ru/[/url]
A low cost site girls (OHHH!) from 30 USD/hour.. old and ugly
[url]http://www.sexutopia.ru/[/url]
Agency with 20/30 girls, some on other site also.
[url]http://intimuslugi.msk.ru/[/url]
70/80 with evident price, usual girls…
[url]http://relax-girls.com/[/url]
A handsome of girls.. surely fake photos..
[url]http://www.vamdam.ru/[/url]
A handsome of girls.
[url]http://lovecontact.ru/[/url]
Small agency
The real big advertising sites for girls. They usually pay a monthly fee or extras if they want to be in the first pages or in special ads.
Nearly all have some kind of search engine, some really good like intimcity or red-club. Usually the quality of pictures is good even if some is very naïve.
In the most part of them there are customer comments, rating on service, and photo correspondence. I mostly use these and I never got really another girl… some time she is worse than photographed, but some times even better.
[url]http://tulula.sitecity.ru/[/url]
An individual site, just as a sample… you often find the links to them in sextalk or in the big sites as girls homepage
[url]http://blyadi.com/[/url]
Funny site with 300 girls… of you do not know Russian might be difficult, but you can fins some unusual girls. Has a similar not identical mirror site at [url]http://deffki.net/[/url]
[url]http://rasputin.ru/[/url]
One of the smallest big sites for ads, also Salons and Clubs. Linked from [url]http://www.xxx.ru/[/url] where you have a link to [url]http://www.znakomstva.info/[/url]
[url]http://dolls.nu/[/url]
Well known site with approx 200 girls, many of them seen on the really big sites. Quick download.
[url]http://devushki.nu/[/url]
A site with approx 200 girls… small search engine… but some real good ones if photos are true…
Many well known.. from other big sites.
[url]http://zna.nu/[/url]
Well known, approx 200-300 girls, you have to go to the end of the page for getting the next… Most of girls are on the real big sites…
[url]http://21er.ru/catalog.asp?city=1[/url]
A thematic catalogue for Moscow, a little bit slow… approximately the same girls in ston.ru.
[url]http://pikant.ru/[/url]
One of the big Moscow sites, some girl even ads with mpegs! Specialist section for Anal an Lesbi, some hundreds!
Some pics are surely real… you need to be in Hollywood, as I said, to make a fake interior of a komunalka in soviet taste!
[url]http://www.putana.nu/[/url]
One of the big sites: 25 girls per page, 44 pages! And a funny search system with buttons! Just press teens or super tits or anal and you get them!
Most of the girls are the same as the other big sites with more than 1000 girls
[url]http://www.dnu.ru/individuals/?linkfrom=flex[/url]
One of the big ones.. 200 girls advertising.
Easy to search through the fotogaleria… from 250 to 500/night
Very fast in downloading…
For a comparison the old version of Valentina look [url]http://www.dnu.ru/ankets/2109/[/url]
[url]http://www.dosug.nu/index.htm[/url]
One of the big and well known sites… used it several times. Most of photos are surely true (but with a good photographer, make up and perhaps something more). Hundreds of girls, in different sections, good descriptions and often comments and ratings (also negative) from customers. Big Salon section and private apartment (two three girls, usually making also lesbis). Some year ago they even advertised two couple of identical twins! Unfortunately I was not in Moscow then.
Several hundreds of girls, for all tastes from teen to duos with old mamas!
[url]http://www.ston.ru/[/url]
One of the big sites. Class search: teens, anals, petites, etc. Often comments from users on [url]http://sextalk.ru[/url]. Several pictures and sections, even lesbis, or anals. Unfortunately the system is a little bit complicated to use, and no distinction between Moscow and Piter.
Used several times, mostly the same girls (partially) that are on the other big sites. Some interesting young teen.
[url]http://www.bordel.nu/[/url]
Approximately 450 girls, but incredible pop ups… on Casino… Shit! Mirror site [url]http://www.intimtime.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.red-club.com/[/url]
One of the traditional really big ones, more than 1000 pros! Search engine, usually the photos matches… Not all the girls have the price… Be aware that trans are advertised among girl!!!! Ouch!
Even some girls with video… mirror site at [url]http://red-club.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.dosug.org/[/url]
Not the biggest but one of the oldest in Moscow…
Few singles, but good agency, salon etc section. They have even girl ranking. Unfotunately most part of the sit are still since the end of 2004… it’s going really down.
[url]http://x-love.ru[/url]
A lot of ads in different section, there is a Moscow section. Mostly girls you have seen on the other big sites, a big section for threesomes. Etc. Search engine with age, price etc.
Not so fast.
[url]http://extralove.ru/[/url]
Quite big with a lot of girls, prices, telephone numbers, etc. Unfortunately even trans and such ugly things. A good search system… with possibilities for age type of sex etc.
Even the new look of one of my favourites (Valentina the girl with saggy tits and birthmarks, but giving wonderful tight anal services)
[url]http://extralove.ru/search.php?link=1847[/url]
[url]http://www.devchenki.ru/[/url]
A lot of girls, it’s an Ads site. Frankly speaking a lot of photos of the first page seems fake.. the others more normal. Search classes for age, price and type of sex… Approx 100 teens, plus other girls… Mirror site is [url]http://vipdevochki.ru/[/url] and [url]http://devocki.ru/[/url]
[url]www.toplady.ru[/url]
Another big site with more than 200 girls… Search engine, and more
[url]http://www.dosugcity.ru/[/url]
Approx 500 girls, search engine very similar to Intimcity, but some really good girls (if they are true) can be found.
[url]http://dosug.nu/index.htm[/url]
Surely one of the best, over 500 girls, Search engine and much more… very good photos and comments from users.
[url]www.intimcity.ru[/url]
In my opinion the best one, and in the girl’s opinion the most expensive but with a lot of results. Usually over 1500 girls for all tastes. You can easily use the search engine to refine age, dimension, sex qualities and so on…
I fond some real girls there… and there are a lot of comments. When the girl do not pay the ads, the put the girl off line, but if you have the exact line you can see it in any case…
[url]www.omen.ru[/url] Site for sponsorhip girls… you find hundreds from pregnant teens asking 3.500 RUR a day, to incredible beauties (some with no price shown) like this (click on the photo):
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=595931[/url] seems Tiffany…
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=628485[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=630494[/url] she often change photos so they must be real.
There is even a pro section at [url]http://omen.ru/love/LOVEXX.HTM[/url] but you can chose age and anal and no more…
Have you fucked them?
Because for one thing or another, I find all these interesting girls, worth to spend some money or time, one because she is 18teen, one because she allows CIM and so on…
The question is are they real? Somebody has nailed them… let me know.. you will make me happy!
Thanks in advance…
IT
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[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=26798[/url] skinny tall Dr Skank should like her…
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25147[/url] soft and exciting, not so expensive, surely true photos.. if it’s she..
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[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=22839[/url] Intersting skinny… with positive comments and bargain price
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[url]http://intimlife.ru/girls/0260/01/[/url] for a school idea party! You need to take them both…
[url]http://www.red-club.com/show/girl/16546?age_to=19[/url] real teen making all for 70/hour, meaning 250.-300 for overnight.
[url]http://www.red-club.com/show/girl/14206?age_to=19[/url] Real teenager, with tongue piercing for better BBBJ
[url]http://zna.nu/1142268437[/url] so naive that I think the photo is true… Perfect for afternoon relax
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[QUOTE=Lollo Frollo]It Traveller,
Was all the deal done in Russian?
I mean chatting over the web and the time together in Moscow.
I ask it because the site you used seems to be only in Russian.
is it a problem trying the same experience in English or Italian (I’m Italian too)
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[QUOTE=It Travel]
She said she had no money… but she does not remember (too drunk) that I saw her credit cards (!!!) and she said se was buying things with monthly instalments of 50 USD…
IT[/QUOTE]
In Russia debet cards are more often used. I guess you saw debet cards, not credit. They look just the same, but work like normal saving accounts. They can also be absolutely empty. In some banks minimum deposits are not required.
By the way, your idea of a separate thread for internet links is useful. If everybody rights in a short way, as you did, about different sites (big or small, fake or real, cheap or expensive, easy or difficult navigation), after some time it will become a good database.
The girls look far too good to be real. Has anyone actually used that site and can suggest women they have met through there?
Dave
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]In Russia debet cards are more often used. I guess you saw debet cards, not credit. They look just the same, but work like normal saving accounts. They can also be absolutely empty. In some banks minimum deposits are not required.
By the way, your idea of a separate thread for internet links is useful. If everybody rights in a short way, as you did, about different sites (big or small, fake or real, cheap or expensive, easy or difficult navigation), after some time it will become a good database.[/QUOTE]
Dear Helena,
I’m sorry but I know exactly what a debit and a credit card are…
Irina had a Mastercard Credit Card… paying, I suppose, her home Personal Computer, with 50 USD monthly instalments.
Of course she had also some debit cards where she got her salary…
I well know the difference between the two…
By the way I have tried to open a new thread, but I could not…
Hello…
IT
PS by the way Helena what are you figure numbers (I mean in the Russian style)…
IT,
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[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]IT,
Awesome work and networking...
Besides dating.omen.ru check out [url]www.love.mail.ru[/url]
You may also find girls who are looking for sponsors...:)[/QUOTE]
Thanks but it's always asking for a registration.... so I'm pissed on getting hundreds of e-mails on Viagra and whatever...
I think you well understand.
Bye
IT
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]Where are cheap places ? … Salons (brothels), Tochkas[/QUOTE]
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Look at the sites…
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IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]
Irina had a Mastercard Credit Card… paying, I suppose, her home Personal Computer, with 50 USD monthly instalments.
By the way I have tried to open a new thread, but I could not…
IT
PS by the way Helena what are you figure numbers (I mean in the Russian style)…[/QUOTE]
Hi, IT Travel. Then it's another case about the card.
May be threads can only be opened by admin? I think he can do it if someone sends him a letter.
My figure (Russian style): 168sm, 57kg, 36DD, measurements - 105-65-95, clothes Russian style 46, European 38-40, not skinny, not fat, right in the middle, a real woman =))))
[QUOTE=It Travel]
By the way I have tried to open a new thread, but I could not…
[/QUOTE]
In principle, there is a special place for requesting Jackson to open a new thread [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=339]here[/url].
Chances of success are slim though, I haven't seen much requests being accepted (well, mine for adding Minsk as the capital of Belarus for example never was :()
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Hi, IT Travel. Then it's another case about the card.
May be threads can only be opened by admin? I think he can do it if someone sends him a letter.
My figure (Russian style): 168sm, 57kg, 36DD, measurements - 105-65-95, clothes Russian style 46, European 38-40, not skinny, not fat, right in the middle, a real woman =))))[/QUOTE]
Yes she has a real credit card... It's meaning a lot on who she is and why she is doing this... You will see later on.
Threads question solved... I hope soon by JACKSON!!!
I must say, in a very fair way, that if I get laid with you and fuck I will report ISG members.... It's up to you... I think I could get a try... PM me on you... I'll soon be in Moscow. Why not a short start meeting at your home (my hotel room will be full of teens, or nearly so... one 22 one 24). If you think it's OK... There is no problem...
Your figures... 168/57/5 or 6 are interesing...
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]
I must say, in a very fair way, that if I get laid with you and fuck I will report ISG members.... IT[/QUOTE]
Huh... one can't shut another person's mouth. But, I think it will be fair enough if I report something about you in return ;)) Must say such a prospect doesn't make me horny at all...
intimlove.ru
One of the big Moscow sites, some girl even ads with mpegs! Specialist section for Anal an Lesbi, some hundreds!
Some pics are surely real. You need to be in Hollywood, as I said, to make a fake interior of a Komunalka in soviet taste!
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]But, I think it will be fair enough if I report something about you in return ;)) [/QUOTE]
Oh my, a report about the fuckability of IT ... !! Spare us please! :-)
I have been following the Russia forum closely and can't wait for the day I get a chance to visit.
I have question, that I have not scene addressed yet, which where and how to hook up with some single mom's in Moscow ?
I ask this question because everything I have read and heard is that Russia is a Mecca for them. Although I have no desire to become a Dad again, I just find it easier to score with a women who may or may not be looking for a father for her kids.
Also, Doc - Great reports, if you wrote a book , I would buy it !
Downunder. Russia is full of single moms. You can meet them everywhere and they would love to get to know you.
[QUOTE=downunder]I have been following the Russia forum closely and can't wait for the day I get a chance to visit.
I have question, that I have not scene addressed yet, which where and how to hook up with some single mom's in Moscow ?
I ask this question because everything I have read and heard is that Russia is a Mecca for them. Although I have no desire to become a Dad again, I just find it easier to score with a women who may or may not be looking for a father for her kids.
Also, Doc - Great reports, if you wrote a book , I would buy it ![/QUOTE]Downunder, Russia is full of single moms. Actually, Russia is full of families consist of a single mom with a young daughter and grandmother. And the burden of supporting the family falls straight on the shoulders of the single mom. If you're looking for single moms, you've hit the jackpot.
I recall GandJim did a piece on similar topic in Belarus section, but I can't seem to find it.
My trip to moscow being delayed further so i would be using your travel services a bit late..but i must say...having come accross many a women from different countries...you the one women who seem to be the sanest of all ..a balence of right thinking at the right time combined with a perfect attitude and yes with a touch of humor to it all ...and to top that you give an insight of how working women in this profession feels is just great !! Hats off !!
I think i should make hElEnA's QuOtE to make my point clear now and then to my fellow mongers...like the one on IT travel....
IT travel says:
PS by the way Helena what are you figure numbers (I mean in the Russian style)…
Helena says:
My figure (Russian style): 168sm, 57kg, 36DD, measurements - 105-65-95, clothes Russian style 46, European 38-40, not skinny, not fat, right in the middle, a real woman =))))
Now again IT Being the man says:
I must say, in a very fair way, that if I get laid with you and fuck I will report ISG members.... It's up to you... I think I could get a try... PM me on you... I'll soon be in Moscow. Why not a short start meeting at your home (my hotel room will be full of teens, or nearly so... one 22 one 24). If you think it's OK... There is no problem...
Your figures... 168/57/5 or 6 are interesing...
Now what Helena replies is very interesting not the usual stuff...
Huh... one can't shut another person's mouth. But, I think it will be fair enough if I report something about you in return ) Must say such a prospect doesn't make me horny at all...
ha....i'm really laughing my ass off with this one....now thats something different and unexpected totally...now who would have thought that in ISG.. soon we would be getting a performance rating from the women we chase ...
Great !! helena !! i being following your quotes for some time now and i must say YOU ROCK !!
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]Oh my, a report about the fuckability of IT ... !! Spare us please! :-)[/QUOTE]
I think exactl as you... I do not think that anybody here is interested I my sexual capabilities, drinking too muck vodka, liking caviar, eating to much (so I'm 15 kg more than I should be), and how log is my cock...
I thank that everybody reading alaredy knows that'm liking girls, specially teens, stpecially CIM, COF and taking them anally!
Dreams are unshaven (but trimmed correctly) natural blondes and reds... clean and good tasting ones!
All this is no secret! Ah Ah Ah...
IT
[QUOTE=downunder]I have been following the Russia forum closely and can't wait for the day I get a chance to visit.
I have question, that I have not scene addressed yet, which where and how to hook up with some single mom's in Moscow ?
I ask this question because everything I have read and heard is that Russia is a Mecca for them. Although I have no desire to become a Dad again, I just find it easier to score with a women who may or may not be looking for a father for her kids.
Also, Doc - Great reports, if you wrote a book , I would buy it ![/QUOTE]
I really do not know, but Russia is full of single moms of all ages starting from very very young... to 35/40
Just go around on Internet...
Like here:
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IT
Single moms:
In theory this is a good idea, and one that does conjure up images of helping out a lonely woman and giving her the affection she needs. It may even work, however in my experience it didnt always pan out to what I wanted.
Although I have never specifically pursued single moms I have run across a few in my time, and you are right, there are many... and many of them are still looking really great.
There are some negative aspects, or rather aspects of concern, to be taken into consideration.
1) where do you meet them? They dont go out as often as girls without children and even when they do find an aunt or babushka to watch the kids, they tend not to stay out as late. So just meeting them can be difficult, although of course it is impossible to pick them out of a crowd. I've just found that the vast majority of girls I meet have no kids... or maybe that is something that has to do with my target group. Internet is of course a good place, as this is often stated in the profile. Nonetheless, specifically targeting this group does seem to be a bit difficult.
2) what do they want? Although I am sure many would be happy with just some casual sex, the ones I have had wanted more. They really were looking for a serious boyfriend, perhaps even a husband, and usually a father for their child. The typical situation. Although my affairs with single moms all ended amicably and we shared some nice times together, this was more emotional baggage than I was prepared to carry, so I have ceased to pursue this kind of affair. My success with this group was quite ok, but it just wasnt what I was looking for emotionally, as the girls (women) were really too clingy.
If you do however go for this group, what has worked for me is the basic romantic dating approach. Provided she can find someone to watch the kids (there is usually an aunt or a babushka around), a date over dinner (doesnt have to be an expensive place, just a nice one) with some wine and a simple gift will usually do the trick and she'll be happy.... for the time being.
Helene M:
Liked your answer too... it does remind us that it takes two to tango...
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]Hi guys,
i am ok with you but i prefer mature ladies over 35 or 40 for it. I have done some meetings but it's difficult because i have 28 yo. Please help me to have great sex with russian mature ladies <150$ per night.[/QUOTE]
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[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=25015[/url] planning to meet her next time[/QUOTE]
As world differs... tastes are different...
My favourite are teens (chubby, normal, skinny, doesn't matter)... and just a little bit more, let's say up to 25. With just some exception because they make me very horny... like Diana/Alisa... in reality she is 29.
I have sponsored some... You will see soon...
IT
I will be in Moscow for one night at WTC hotel.
Who can suggest me nice girls (100 Usd) in bordels or coming to hotel?
Bordel is better since I can go with a colleague.
I have seen the web sites of the forum, but I don't speak russian and I suppose that a lot of them don't speak english!!!
I prefer addresses of places where are working MILF or mobile numbers of pro who speak english.
Thanks in advance
Lorenzo
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[QUOTE=Cicciolino]Do not forget to visit:
- Dyagelev (actually the best club in Moscow)
- Gazgolder
- Club XIII
- Cabaret[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the great club info - it will really help focus my activities.
But it makes me wonder if there is an opportunity at some of these clubs with cover charges or face control for trolling outside the clubs?
A long time ago, in a land far, far away (it was Rio) there was a particular disco that was the main place to pick up amateurs and semi-pros. But it seemed to me the best pickings were not inside the club, but at a patio bar just outside, because a lot of the girls did not want to pay the cover charge to get in, or were waiting for girlfriends to show up before commiting for the evening. So it formed kind of a holding tank for wannabees.
So by hitting up the girls drinking on the patio you saved their cover charge, plus your own, making to economics of the thing that much more attractive. Plus I found it easier to meet them outside the noise and darkness of the disco.
Alternatively, it provided you with another tool to impress - you take them in and pay their cover (and maybe their friends) and they get to show off that they already have a date with a foreigner.
So my point is, would this strategy work outside Moscow clubs? Are there queues of girls waiting to get in, or at loose ends because they cannot get in, who would be ripe for an invitation to dinner or drinks elsewhere?
GT
Thanks guys, especially Doc. Single mom usually do come with more emotional bagage but on the flip side are less into looks and more into a good provider (not neccesarily a "sugar daddy"). I have the best luck meeting them on the internet as well just is everyday outing's as many seem to stuck in dead end jobs.
Can't wait for the day I can finally make down to Moscow !
Still planning for Moscow last week of June. St. Pete may be off the itinerary since my pal there had to leave town suddenly with a black eye.
Are there any good towns near Moscow (ie a few hours by train) to stay a night or two and have fun with the local gals? I've RTFF for "other areas" in Russia (great reading guys), but still no idea of the travel distances. Ufa looks interesting.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo Rome] pro who speak english.
[/QUOTE]
From what I can tell, "I speak English" is a signal that "I charge 3 or 4 times as much as everybody else."
In my travels I have never had a problem with language; we both know what I'm after. :-)
A question for all: Other than the obvious "how do I get there," is there a reason to fret about the "I don't speak Russki" issue?
GT:
Great to see guys thinking outside of the box!
Trolling outside clubs is a great idea, although there are a couple of concerns.
Generally if you see a crowd outside of a club it is a good sign... it means the club is popular. The crowd can be there for 3 reasons:
1) there is face control and they are lined up waiting to get inside (if they get inside at all). This could mean either the club is full or simply (and more commonly) that the club has a strict face control policy in an effort to maintain or establish the club as one of Moscow's elite exclusive "in" clubs.
2) there is a cover charge and people are lined up to pay. You will find cover charges on the weekends at most mid-level clubs, usually between 150-300 rubles ($5-10).
3) the crowd is just outside to have a breather, get reception on their phones or meet friends. These people have already been inside and have a stamp for reentry.
There are definitely lots of opportunities to meet people in front of the club, that is for sure. Please note the following however:
A) elite clubs:
Elite clubs like Dagilev or First do not have cover charges, they all have free entrance (except for maybe on some special event nights like Halloween, New Year etc.). The deal is, you either get in or you dont. Unless you have a club card, there is no guarantee that you'll get in. I've never personally tried to bribe my way in to a club, but have seen people (usually expats) try to bribe the face control with 500 rubles and get rejected. The best clubs can afford to turn people away and in fact live by the perceived exclusivity of their club. Face control for girls is even stricter than it is for guys. The clubs want rich and important guys in the club and beautiful or important girls in the clubs trying to meet the rich and important guys. Face control is completely unpredictable... I've seen really hot chicks brutally denied (they even broke down crying in shame) and totally hideous people get in. It can also be harder to get in with a girl than without... so if you select a girl outside to help her get in the club, there is no guarantee that you will get in and she may actually hinder your entrance.
You can buy a club card, but for a good club this will set you back at least $500... and there is no guarantee that you will even be able to buy one. And a club card does not mean you can just bring in anyone or however many people you want. Once I actually had one of my gfs denied entrance with me at a club where I actually had a club card (a gift from the former First art director) because she looked too young and dressed too sluttily (I wasnt complaining, I like that look...)... she really does look like she's early teens even though she just turned 20 and she has to show ID everywhere, which makes me feel delightfully debauched. We ended up going to Fabrique on that night instead (by the way Fab is a nice pseudo-elite club not far from the Baltshug Kempinski Hotel), but the 3 minute "walk of shame" from the former First location (has since moved) to Fabrique was quite embarassing with my jail-bait look-a-like bride in tow. Actually, a Russian guy probably would have just went into First and left his girl standing on the street with the crowd wanting to get in... :)
So in terms of elite clubs, you might find great girls outside waiting to get in who will be very grateful if you get them in, but you should be very confident that you will in fact get in with her. It can work though, as 109 (a fellow ISG member and Moscow's resident strip club expert) used the "I'll help you in the club" method with success on a few occasions.... but also had a club card in hand assuring at least his own entrance.
As far as getting into elite clubs in general, its an imperfect science, but you shouldnt be intimidated. Well-dressed 35+ years, confident and made of money is a look that works wonders in Moscow.
B) mid-level clubs with entrance fee:
Mid-level clubs like Park Avenue Disco, Neo, Lionheart etc. do charge cover on the weekends and a lot of the girls there won't have much money, so the idea is a good one. Nonetheless most girls who do go there will have enough money to at least get in, at least I've never noticed any crowd of girls trying to get in and not having the $5 it takes to get a ticket. Where you might have better luck is at venues with concerts, such as B2 or 16 Tons, which have concerts charging cover of $10-20. I have invited girls in before at concerts and on more than one occasion it did lead to TLS (Temporary Love Syndrome) with a Hollywood-esque happy ending.
I definitely like your idea though, and you should at least try it. The main key to success in Russia, and I cant emphasize this enough, is to simply talk to a lot of girls. Any number of schemes or methods might work, but the important thing is to make contact and go with them... you never know where a simple question or comment might lead. If you speak English to them, many will wave you off or shrug their shoulders as they dont understand, but occasionally one will bite. It really doesnt hurt to try.
One trick I have used with success is inviting girls in a club to another club. Particularly if the club you are in is not happening, you can suggest going to another club or even straight to your apartment for some drinks... and take her whole horde with you if she is shy about leaving alone with a guy... which she often will be. A lot of the girls really only have enough money to go to a single club and buy 1-2 drinks. You can definitely put your money to work here. This can also work with girls leaving a club, asking them to go somewhere else with you or back to your apartment to have a drink, but this last chance grasp at glory will just as often fail as well.
Found some girls in Moscow who agree for photoshootings. I mean hot pix. Looking for friends who's interested for sharing price. If anybody interested PM me.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Elite clubs like Dagilev or First do not have cover charges, they all have free entrance (except for maybe on some special event nights like Halloween, New Year etc.). The deal is, you either get in or you dont. .... I've seen really hot chicks brutally denied (they even broke down crying in shame) and totally hideous people get in. [/QUOTE]This just gets better and better!
Dyevs in distress who are not beautiful or important enough to get passed face control, but pretty enough to try, and have just had their plans for the evening upset. Perhaps they are in need of some drinks and attention by an elegant foreign gentleman? I don't mind being Plan B!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Once I actually had one of my gfs denied entrance with me at a club where I actually had a club card because she looked too young and dressed too sluttily ....[/QUOTE]Too young and slutty??? Isn't that an oxymoron?
I hope you were able to comfort her and allow her to restore her self-esteem by demonstrating that she was perfectly young and slutty for you!![/QUOTE][QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]So in terms of elite clubs, you might find great girls outside waiting to get in who will be very grateful if you get them in, but you should be very confident that you will in fact get in with her. [/QUOTE]This sounds like a "no lose" situation, so long as you don't promise to get her in, but simply try. If you have already been in, you've got a hand stamp that guarantees re-entry. If you get her in, you're her hero and date for now. If you are leading her in as your guest and get rejected - it is her shortcoming. Then she is ripe for an invitation elsewhere, while you make the supreme sacrifce of forgoing the pleasures of the exclusive club to be with sub-standard, insecure her! Again, maybe you can restore her self-esteem.
GT
[QUOTE=It Travel]... drinking too muck vodka, liking caviar, eating to much (so I'm 15 kg more than I should be), and how log is my cock...
I thank that everybody reading alaredy knows that'm liking girls, specially teens, stpecially CIM, COF and taking them anally!...
All this is no secret! Ah Ah Ah...
IT[/QUOTE]
The key word here is "READING" :). Does anybody know for sure?
GT/Doc:
My view is - why trying outside the club if there are enough beauties in?
I tried in the last 10 years I am travelling to Moscow/Russia a lot, bad, medium and elitny clubs. Getting oldedr, I only go to the so called elitny clubs. Why joining anything else then the best? If you get in, you will find for sure what you want. There are more then enough very beautiful "freebies" in which like to catch one of the elite guys. And usually a guy get in such a club they respect as en elite man and a potenital candiate for them. I never had any problem to catch in a club such as Leto/Ocen/Zima, First, Billionaire etc. a really beautiful model type girl. The girls waiting outside are usually just not fulfilling the clubs requirements and you can belive that the face control is experienced and know very well to do a good job.
The easiest way to get in is to have a contact to the club such as to the owner, the art director , security and beeing therefore on the guest/VIP list. All other ways are not sure, even having a club card does not grant to get in. It is Moscow and there are in general not "legal" rules for such things... I had several times the problem I get easy in but must let a girl or some "collegues" outside. Helpful in Moscow is always to be selfconfident. Be arogant to the sevurty, ask always where the VIP entrance is resp. go directly to the VIP entrance and show how important you are! And, do not drive before the door with an ugly, shity Shiguly taxi:-) Either let it stop 200 meters before or rent you a driver resp. a car which proofes you are a VVIP!
Being in this elitny clubs is really a great experience. I personally prefer these experiences much more then a fuck with a good pro. Had in the past such amazing stories with and each contact opens you new doors to Moscows elitny world. With the time you can get quite familiar with!
Cicciolino:
Thanks for your club insight! I dont live in Moscow and only visit the elite clubs every second month or so. When in Moscow I prefer the "Moscow mix"... student clubs, internet dating, mid-level clubs, elite clubs and occasional pros.
Like I already wrote, I also doubt the practicality or purpose of trolling in front of the elite clubs... unless you are more or less guaranteed entrance by one means or another. Nonetheless, I personally will try anything at least once... and like the way GT is thinking and scheming...
GT's enquiry is however for a first time visitor to Moscow without any connections or experience with Moscow face control etc. Certainly the "playing field" for the first-time visitor is more limited than that of one with experience, connections and an understanding of language and culture. Essentially a first time visitor is looking to score a decent chick anyway he can, at least that is the way I would be thinking.
I personally often have just as much fun or more fun with young student type girls than pretentious wanna-be model types. Maybe I relate to students better, which is a testament to my relative (im)maturity... :) I also find that many of the girls in elite clubs are hopelessly shallow and false, but they certainly do have "all the right parts in all the right places"... I've seen fellow ISG member Shostakovich in action and he is even more adept than I at scoring model-type babes, its his preferred market... I usually am attracted to and succesful with the very pretty, young but more petite type.
I also find that the more interesting "elite" girls can be found at the "art" elite clubs like Gazgolder or Mix and not necessarily at the ultra-glam places like the Zeppelin group (Leto/Osen/Zima) or First/Dagilev etc.
To each his own though, as I plan my next Moscow trip juggling through business priorities again I realize I will only have 2 or 3 free nights... I will have to prioritize... Dagilev vs. First vs. Mio vs. Cabaret vs. Skazka vs. a house party at home with jacuzzi, champagne and two teenagers from B2 is a tough call, but its wonderful to have so many excellent choices to choose from... viva la Moscow!
Thanks Doc Skank and others for great insights into the Moscow scene.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] GT's enquiry is however for a first time visitor to Moscow without any connections ... Essentially a first time visitor is looking to score a decent chick anyway he can, at least that is the way I would be thinking.[/QUOTE] I'm in the same boat as GT, although I'll be a second-time visitor - first visit was in 1990 as a young revolutionary. ;) Like GT, I'll be looking at various ways of enjoying pleasant female company in Moscow, but my time will be limited to about a week, so I'll start my research a few weeks before the trip.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I personally often have just as much fun or more fun with young student type girls than pretentious wanna-be model types. [/QUOTE] Doc, so would I! But since I'm over 40 (sniff, although all the girls say I look 30s, of course ;)), I wouldn't even try for young student types. I tend to go for mid to late 20s, and I'm sure there are plenty around.
[QUOTE=Rus Love]Found some girls in Moscow who agree for photoshootings. I mean hot pix. Looking for friends who's interested for sharing price. If anybody interested PM me.[/QUOTE]Rus, can you wait until June? I'll bring my own camera. :)
Doc is absoltely right saying that the mix is interesting. All what I tried to say is why always cathcing pros while a lot of other, more interesting things are available. I am immatriculated at MGU and MGIMO. From time to time I show there up to improve my "poor" language skills.
Sure, elitny clubs is one amazing thing, really great, but that's for the weekends.
Students are another great thing. Being as well a "student" opens a lot of doors at the university. There happend f.e. the story that a student (girl) catch me at the door the the internet cafe at MGU and ask me for "fire". Smoking together a cigarette, the next question has been my cell phone number. At ten in the evening I got a phone call with the question if I am alone at home and if this situation should be changed for that night. A 30 minutes later I got a visit from a beautiful, very intersting and intelligent lady, just to enjoy a nice time together without any other obligations. She wanted fun and learn something (?) about other countires etc... Such stories happend several times and I am sure gonna happen in future again and can happen for each one of us. Do not forget, MGU is big, over 40'000 students, a lot of girls, quite liberal, there is for sure someone for your taste.
Another way to meet good girls are cultural events such as concerts, theater, operas... The opportunities are unlimited and it is a lot of fun to catch a real girl in the free nature instead of paying pros. At least for me the fun is much higher.
Sure, from time to time a good pro action is not bad but go sometimes another way. That's a great opportunity to learn about the russian way of life, about the russian soul, about the russian culture.
Maybe once you will start to love this great country so much as me :-)
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]The key word here is "READING" :). Does anybody know for sure?[/QUOTE]I wast just saying what you could describe on me (if we met)... even that if I am too drunk (not so often) It usually do not become hard! :( ...
But it's quite normal.
I think here the keyword is Exchange (in matter of experiences). ;)
IT
I would like to buy a special gift for my girl friend; a necklace in white gold with one or a combination of Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond and/or Ruby.
It's not our anniversary or a special day. I don't want to buy lingerie or shoes or another cell phone. Money is not a problem, it’s gone cost me $300 at most but it’s meaning is more important than the price tag.
Do the precious stones mean anything in Russian culture?
I am aware that Russian women love expensive gifts more than rest of the others but Russians also put meanings on everything.
Maybe more symbolic meanings than others. Ex: Flowers should be in odd numbers unless it's a funeral.
Any thoughts…
Helena,
What about on women’s perspective???
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]I would like to buy a special gift for my girl friend; a necklace in white gold with one or a combination of Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond and/or Ruby.
Do the precious stones mean anything in Russian culture?
Helena,
What about on women’s perspective???[/QUOTE]
Dear Big Bro =))
Of course, precious stones mean something. The more precious the stone, the more you show that you value the girl =))))) We do like to get jewelries as presents. Very important thing is quality of stones -for some girls, like myself, for ex., low quality (or small size) stone may seem like abuse and waste of money. But if a thing is tasteful and precious enough, it's OK, pleasant. The stones themselves don't mean anything special. The only exeption is pearls - some people think that if you get pearls it means that soon you'll cry. Pearls are sometimes called "widows stone". And they always must go as a set (chain+ring+earings or at least ring+earings), never as a separate thing - it's bad luck. But some women still like pearls very much, just you have to check it before you buy.
White gold, saphare, emerald and ruby - sounds like nice combination. It's now big fashion to mix stones.
I've never met a girl who complained when I gave her a pearl necklace. Except for sometimes when I sprayed some of the pearls into her hair. They hate that.
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pearl+necklace[/url]
Dear lovely Helena,
Like the song “…diamonds are girls best friend…” But I better keep the giant one for a special occasion.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I've never met a girl who complained when I gave her a pearl necklace. Except for sometimes when I sprayed some of the pearls into her hair. They hate that.
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pearl+necklace[/url][/QUOTE]
I'd also not complain, I like pearls, plus I know that to be ungrateful is bad manner =)))). But the necklace alone would forse me to spend money on a ring or earings. Not all people believe in that lucks-unlucks, may be your girls didn't.
i made my first trip to moscow and needed outcall as i was with associates who are not enlightened as to our ways. i took advice from fob (friend on board) to call kristina of ecorts-elitegirls.ru . i emailed kristina before trip asking for sabina for the night sunday and she told me she would reserve her and what a great choice i made. i was specific about dfk and some other fun stuff.
sunday night a girl shows up who is a 6/10 and clearly not sabina. i tell kristina i only want her 2 hours and k starts her "we had a deal" speech, upon which i informed her i was not stupid and if she would like i would send yana out immediately or keep her for 2 hours. k was taken back and then agreed to send another girl to add to the evening for a discount and some 2+1 action. that was just doubling the worthless 2 hours. yana is nice and fun but not into even touching another girl. yana kept laughing when miss-forgotten-name was moaning like a wounded cat every time i touched her. i finally just closed my eyes and dreamed of tyra doing denise richards while listening to the wounded cat.
day 2
k calls me asking how i liked it and following my education learned from murillo (portugal), doc, and other mentors, i explained my displeasure in very strong terms. no dfk, no sabina, her dishonesty... she guarantees me to send the right girl and tells me how i need to meet irina and natsya. i give her a priority of three different girls for 10pm. "1 girl" i say, "and if she is not whom i ask for i will send her back". now i know in my business head that k is ... well let's say ... not exactly reputable and honest. 10pm 2 girls show up 1 claiming to be katya. she is not, she is clearly irina and her friend natsya. i call k and just for sport give her hell while smiling and winking at the girls in front of me. they have a great time listening to me give k absolute hell. k puts me on hold and calls them repeatedly. now i am sitting 1 m from them, i am now thinking this k is a nut case, has one oar in the water kind of person. however i finally tell k quit calling i hang up and i keep both girls and we have a party for $500 the night. irina is a sweatheart and very sexy but no dfk but she likes to touch and kiss the other girls body.
day 3
k calls about 416 times to my mobile while i am in business meetings. i am now thinking she is crazy. i finally call her back that night and tell her that i know she has about 6 girls and most of her pictures are fake and she would do better telling people the truth. she wants to debate it with me telling me she can send somene else. i finally hang up on her and turn off my phone.
lessons: kristina is a nut case. russian college girls 6/10 and 7/10 are very friendly and available, hotel girls are in lobbies, english is pretty common in moscow <25 yr olds, there are some smoking hot girls in the shops in malls, there must be better agencies, kristina is a nut case (did i mention that!).
good hunting,
dave
Helena... dear! Me thinks thee do not understand the "pan Amerikasky" humour of the infamous and evil "doktor skank"...
HINT... Think of a "liquid" pearl necklace... OR perhaps you prefer that he supplement his pearl necklace with rim shots to your ears as well the double strand on your neck???? Each to their own I suppose! :)
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]Helena... dear! Me thinks thee do not understand the "pan Amerikasky" humour of the infamous and evil "doktor skank"...
HINT... Think of a "liquid" pearl necklace... OR perhaps you prefer that he supplement his pearl necklace with rim shots to your ears as well the double strand on your neck???? Each to their own I suppose! :)[/QUOTE]
Dear Ca T.
I am not American and I'm not supposed to understand all your jokes. I thought that the guys spoke about real presents for their girlfriends and really were interested in my opinion. If not - I don't mind. It would be funny to see how you understand Russian jokes spoken by Russians on Russian sleng. Do you, by the way speak any Russian? Or you spread your "pearls" around in silence?
VV:
Thank god I am not French... although I really do admire the French for many things, French cinema, French pride and nationalism (a healthy national pride is the core of every great people), France's historical achievements (particularly for their support of America and American democracy during the birth of our nation) etc... so dont take me the wrong way... every nation has its charms, shames and value. But yeah, I am happy to be American, just as you are happy to be French and Helena Russian.
Helena:
We certainly understand you are not American and no, we wont understand all your мать humour, even though we wish we could... сука буду-не забуду...
And Big Bro, because he is an honest and caring man, WAS speaking about real presents for his serious girlfriend. I think its great that he is showing his special girl his feelings. When a man and woman "click" it is great and nothing in the world can take that joy away from them. Happiness between a man and a woman, on whatever level, is one of the fundemental joys of life and something to be cherished beyond compare. I am sure your advice on jewelry helped him (I also noted your comments) and since ISG is really an almost exclusive gang of men, we really do appreciate all your input... so please keep posting your feminine thoughts!
I was just making a joke about the term "pearl necklace", being facetious and pointing to the humorous context that "pearl necklace" has in English. Sorry if you didnt understand, but my dear Helena, you obviously dont read the posts of others in detail. All you had to do was click on the link I put in my post and you would have known what I was talking about. So maybe next time you should think twice when your next customer says " darling would you like a lovely pearl necklace?" But if its me, please say, "Yes dear, give me your best pearl necklace, just not in my hair"
dear helena...
I know I would not understand, at least in Russian, your Russki humor... My Russian is limited to DA, which is the only word I wait for...
Also, please do not take my clarification of doc's post in jest as an insult to you, personally, or to your English skills! I can only hope that one day my Russian skills will be half of what your English skills are today!
CT
QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]:
All you had to do was click on the link I put in my post and you would have known what I was talking about. So maybe next time you should think twice when your next customer says " darling would you like a lovely pearl necklace?" But if its me, please say, "Yes dear, give me your best pearl necklace, just not in my hair"[/QUOTE]
I clicked. I thought where would be a picture, but there was something like jargon speaking, so I thought you gave this link by mistake. I never heard that men (clients or not) would speak anything like that, if they spoke of stones, rings or necklaces, they meant real ones. I'd really get upset if someone made such a stupid joke on me. And I think if a man would mean something real and I'd make such a joke in return, it could be taken as abuse, especially if he didn’t understand American humor.
Doc give it to her....you can;t win her in perspective talking..she gets everything right in the end...
HM:
I think you are still failing to understand the joke. No one would promise a girl a real "pearl necklace" and then just jizz on her tits, and then laugh ha ha. Its meant as a slang term from the outset and is usually just spoken between men talking about sex anyway. Most English-speaking girls would understand though. I was just hoping to add to your cultural education. Just as in Russian mat, American/English slang is diverse enough that native English speakers could speak about sex at length and an non-native probably wouldnt understand much, even though if you think about the words in context it does make sense.
I am sure there are Russian slang equivalents to things like "pearl necklace' that you would instantly understand without thinking twice...but never mind.
This "conversation" does however demonstrate a common problem though, communication or lack thereof.
I will be heading to Moscow on May 7th after 3 days in St. Petersburg; I will be staying in the Hyatt in Moscow and the Novotel in St Pete. Any recommendations for guaranteed first closs mongering would be very appreciated. I will be traveling with 3 friends, and we all have our own rooms or suites.
I really could use guidance or a guide while there to be able to maximize the club, banya, and salon scenes...HELP!
Dave
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]HM:
I think you are still failing to understand the joke. Most English-speaking girls would understand though. I was just hoping to add to your cultural education.
I am sure there are Russian slang equivalents to things like "pearl necklace' that you would instantly understand without thinking twice...but never mind.
[/QUOTE]
Ok, ok, Skank, now I understood and enlarged my vocabulary ;). Peace. By the way, it's really strange, but we have no any equivalents to this "necklace" in Russian slang. If you ever hear it from your Russian men-friends, please, let me know =)))))))))), my Russian skills also need to improove from time to time.
World of language is unbelievable. One word, one meaning caused such a commotion in thoughts.
Anyway, thanks for the advices and PMs…
From my view ISG is not only an ego-satisfying forum. It is more like an online life college. Experts, mentors, juniors and rookies…
Not only we share our experiences, but also we learn a lot from others true-life experiences.
Sex or how to get laid were not the only topics. ATM machine problems, using credit cards, semi pros, freebies, ways to find cheap flights, sponsoring and so many other discussions were made.
Maybe I am too optimistic or try to look in different perspective, but in this crazy world, mongering and related experiences are the flavors of our (or only mine) uniformed life.
Dear friends,
I will be in Moscow in May for few days at WTC hotel.
Does anyone know if there prof or semipr working at WTC?
Thanks,
Lorenzo
[QUOTE=Lorenzo Rome]Dear friends,
I will be in Moscow in May for few days at WTC hotel.
Does anyone know if there prof or semipr working at WTC?
Thanks,
Lorenzo[/QUOTE]
There are some girls working inside the hotel.
If you deside to invite girls from outside, better arrange it in advance, before 9 o'clock, because after this time security start to squeeze the money (50$ for girl's entrance). You'll also have to meet the girl downstairs and take her out. In the morning or day time no such problems. Girls come and go easily, security "don't see" them.
Hi people!
Was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with,street walkers in Moscow? I would love to hear some reports about how it was!
R999.... Unlike in the 90's, SW in Moscow are few and far between. There may be a few around Pushkin Square, but for the most part they are rip-off artists. The tochka takes the place of the street walkers and is probably the reason the city gov't tolerates them. There are many, many reports on tochkas, line-ups, in the forum.
Unfortunately I’m not travelling to Moscow in these days… but to annoying parts of Sweden, and France :(
But I made some sponsorship agreement with some girls. Of course they are not stunners. But I prefer normal type and a little more involved. Not like a log in the bed!
So I finally got an agreement with Iriska and one of her friend (not lesbians) but threesome… 250 USD/day for her (anal included this time!) and 200 for her friend. But the funny thing is that I have to handover the money only to her in the bathroom. I suppose the other girl gets 80 or something so… So she started a real business! :)
Finally I agreed on a 48 hour basis for 900 USD (two girls, one anal, both CIM COF and whatever) if the other girl agrees for anal too it will be 100 more. It doesn’t seems too much for me. Of course I have to feed them (not only with cum), but the Iriska experience was interesting, even with swallowing so… why not? They are not expensive on feeding
The other one is the chubby one (Sveta). Surely she is not a photo model, but she agreed on a three-four days time. Anal included (only once a day! :( :( ). And I like her very much. Really blonde… I’m thinking to the pink between the legs… she said she loves to be licked there… so there will be a lot of DATY, and she is soft but firm in the same time. The other interesting thing is her tongue end her loving to suck… I think I can get swallowing here too. All for food and something around 6.000 RUR.
Unfortunately Iriska and her friend (Olya) are not lesbians, I’ll try in any case, but otherwise I would have tried to get them with cum sharing… and face tongue cleaning after COF. Let’s see if I show them a Franklin!
The most funny thing for me (European) is that they make no difference between USD and €, so, of course I pay them in USD!
I add some photos. Don’t ask me by PM for telephone numbers before my next trip.. after they are all yours!
I’m enclosing a picture of Iriska and Olya. One of Olya, and a couple of the chubby Sveta… as said not stunners but nice naïve fucking material!
[QUOTE=It Travel]Unfortunately I’m not travelling to Moscow in these days… but to annoying parts of Sweden, and France :(
But I made some sponsorship agreement with some girls. Of course they are not stunners. But I prefer normal type and a little more involved. Not like a log in the bed!
So I finally got an agreement with Iriska and one of her friend (not lesbians) but threesome… 250 USD/day for her (anal included this time!) and 200 for her friend. But the funny thing is that I have to handover the money only to her in the bathroom. I suppose the other girl gets 80 or something so… So she started a real business! :)
Finally I agreed on a 48 hour basis for 900 USD (two girls, one anal, both CIM COF and whatever) if the other girl agrees for anal too it will be 100 more. It doesn’t seems too much for me. Of course I have to feed them (not only with cum), but the Iriska experience was interesting, even with swallowing so… why not? They are not expensive on feeding
The other one is the chubby one (Sveta). Surely she is not a photo model, but she agreed on a three-four days time. Anal included (only once a day! :( :( ). And I like her very much. Really blonde… I’m thinking to the pink between the legs… she said she loves to be licked there… so there will be a lot of DATY, and she is soft but firm in the same time. The other interesting thing is her tongue end her loving to suck… I think I can get swallowing here too. All for food and something around 6.000 RUR.
Unfortunately Iriska and her friend (Olya) are not lesbians, I’ll try in any case, but otherwise I would have tried to get them with cum sharing… and face tongue cleaning after COF. Let’s see if I show them a Franklin!
The most funny thing for me (European) is that they make no difference between USD and €, so, of course I pay them in USD!
I add some photos. Don’t ask me by PM for telephone numbers before my next trip.. after they are all yours!
I’m enclosing a picture of Iriska and Olya. One of Olya, and a couple of the chubby Sveta… as said not stunners but nice naïve fucking material![/QUOTE]
Students or not, form your report they don’t seem to be professionals with an add over the web.
How do you get in contact with girls in Moscow?
THX
[QUOTE=Lollo Frollo]Students or not, form your report they don’t seem to be professionals with an add over the web.
How do you get in contact with girls in Moscow?
THX[/QUOTE]
Of course they ad...
On Russian sites for sponsorship... like [url]www.omen.ru[/url]
IT
Got to Moscow at last.
Here’s my small contribution. I spent 3 days (and too much money) in Moscow. Sorry for being too short, I’ll add more sensible things a bit later.
Just a few remarks:
No chance to find a salon without phone advice the choice is fairly good, but the real girls, as usual, not that perfect as on the site – art –shoot rules. Tried 2 of them (different salons), both were experts despite of their age. Not rut, but sincere delight. It looked like I was a vip client for both. Enjoyed them very much.
It may be just my luck, but I was pleased utterly.
I put a notice about difficulties when locating the salons – I really tried to connect to 4 of them, but one didn’t answer at all, the other told me the named girls were busy and offered another ones, but I refused. I used information from the sites of some agencies and from the directory [url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com[/url].
So, what a look! – a great many prodigious girls are there on Moscow streets. I didn’t know which side to look first!
This June I’m going to visit Saint-Petersburg during “white nights” and surely won’t waste my limited time in vain. There’s no need to search for somebody in salons – Petersburg escorts are also available on the above site.
Moscow forever, guys! Russian ballet forever! And Russian babes forever too.
[QUOTE=Antoniopepper]Got to Moscow at last.
Here’s my small contribution. I spent 3 days (and too much money) in Moscow. Sorry for being too short, I’ll add more sensible things a bit later.
Just a few remarks:
No chance to find a salon without phone advice the choice is fairly good, but the real girls, as usual, not that perfect as on the site – art –shoot rules. Tried 2 of them (different salons), both were experts despite of their age. Not rut, but sincere delight. It looked like I was a vip client for both. Enjoyed them very much.
It may be just my luck, but I was pleased utterly.
I put a notice about difficulties when locating the salons – I really tried to connect to 4 of them, but one didn’t answer at all, the other told me the named girls were busy and offered another ones, but I refused. I used information from the sites of some agencies and from the directory [url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com[/url].
So, what a look! – a great many prodigious girls are there on Moscow streets. I didn’t know which side to look first!
This June I’m going to visit Saint-Petersburg during “white nights” and surely won’t waste my limited time in vain. There’s no need to search for somebody in salons – Petersburg escorts are also available on the above site.
Moscow forever, guys! Russian ballet forever! And Russian babes forever too.[/QUOTE]
I am very sorry to see this. If a site needs money to be seen (14.95 USD per month!) it’s not a Russian ads site for pros… They pay! Usually they get a full service.. approx. 150/200 USD a month for 2/3 photo services a year including ads with 6/8 pics in one or two linked sites (these are the prices of [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url]).
Then, just as a first contribution, a link to a pay site where I see a lot of cities not in Russia and even see old photos (she is not using them more) of Diana/Alisa! How many time I’ve taken her sweet rear entrance and posted pics here!… I know her well… In two different she ads one with Anal one without.. It’s her speciality… seems impossible.
[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-4252.html[/url]
This you find also in special search using anal key word…
[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-1868.html[/url]
This is advertised as another girl… no anal… Diana? She fucks you with a vibrator all inside!
Then I see [url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-4117.html:[/url] she is a model on a lot of teen sites, in US I suppose…
Then as last why should I pay just for getting something I get much better at [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] or whatever…
Getting to Salons is very easy get some phones… take a taxi, give the phone to the taxi driver and you will be there!
By the way how much did you paid? For what? Drinks where extras? Etc etc.
In my opinion this is a SC: “Suspect Contribution”.
Sorry for that!
SC: a new acronym for IWSG!
I really hope I’m wrong.
IT
PS in any case this site seems really fake!!!
Just arrived in Moscow and booked a three way fuck fest for later tonight - fingers crossed its fun!
Anyway, a quick question for all you experts out there who have managed to get inside a dyevs head - out of a $100 I pay a girl from an agency, what does she get and what does the agency/madam get? Thus, if a girl gives you her number directly do you still pay her at the same rate or would you expect a discount?
No one responded to my previous question about strip clubs - out of the moscow strip clubs that you have been to, which is you favourite/would you recommend?
BF
There have been a couple of posts on the General and Moscow threads that I would like to get feedback on.
Basically, are [url]www.bad-russian-girls.com[/url] and [url]www.russiansexbombs.com[/url] legitimate? The problem is that both these sites charge a membership fee (I think $15/month) whereas in many other cases russian escorts pay for their own ads. Perhaps it is because these sites operate in English, so they need (or can command) a premium from users. But maybe they are just compilation sites - like so many "brides" sites are - recirculating images and data gleaned off original sites. Or worse, just model photos put up to generate subscription fees.
I see Helena Moscow listed on both these sites, with what appears to be accurate info, so I assume they are not a total scam. Helena, did you list your services on these sites and can you comment on these sites?
The sites are displayed in English, but very few of the girls mention English language, so I wonder if it is assumed that most do, or just left unsaid, so we assume (mistakenly) they speak English?
Another site I wonder about is [url]www.aprettywoman.com[/url]. It is more of a "bride" site, but one in which the girls do not speak so much of marriage - so it looks like they are more "open minded" about the kinds of relationships they are seeking. Which is great, but I wonder also if it is just a fees and mail-forwarding scheme. Has anyone actually connected with a girl from this site?
Any feedback would be welcome,
Gentleman Traveller
I have been to moscow last week. It was my first time. Unfortunately I was sent by my company for working on an emergency project. So almost no time was left for exploring the "normal" bar scene. It was wonderful. So many beautiful women in the streets. So well dressed and all. And when we went for dinner - almost nothing but topshots all around. Thanks to this forum I ventured twice to Night Flight. Wow - what a selection to choose from. But was it stupid me or just inflation? None of the girls started the negotiations for anything below US $ 400. And they always left open whether it is for LT or ST. With Anna from Moscow I agreed on 300 LT, but she did not do BBJB or anal. It was good. But when it was over after a little bit more than two hrs she was quick to leave at about 3am. Same story with tall and even more beautiful Svetlana. No BBJB, almost no kissing. So it was ok. But expansive. Are they now all going for 300 - 500?
[QUOTE=Udo1054]I have been to moscow last week. It was my first time. Unfortunately I was sent by my company for working on an emergency project. So almost no time was left for exploring the "normal" bar scene. It was wonderful. So many beautiful women in the streets. So well dressed and all. And when we went for dinner - almost nothing but topshots all around. Thanks to this forum I ventured twice to Night Flight. Wow - what a selection to choose from. But was it stupid me or just inflation? None of the girls started the negotiations for anything below US $ 400. And they always left open whether it is for LT or ST. With Anna from Moscow I agreed on 300 LT, but she did not do BBJB or anal. It was good. But when it was over after a little bit more than two hrs she was quick to leave at about 3am. Same story with tall and even more beautiful Svetlana. No BBJB, almost no kissing. So it was ok. But expansive. Are they now all going for 300 - 500?[/QUOTE]
Dear friend,
as I told several times in my reports this is one of the things i do not like in Bar mongering… perhaps beautiful girls but…
You find a lot of girls in the 250 350 USD class on internet sites. All willing, all kissing, many doing anal BBBJ and even CIM or COF.
In the past I was also a bar monger (but it was 100 USD, and it was obvious it was for all the night), now they are trying to get a second shot.
For that price for two hours you can go to the most beautiful salons in Moscow and get real stunners. This is another option in my opinion.
Of course as Dr Skank says thanks God tastes are different, but I prefer overnighter… you can still find beautiful teens doing nearly everything for 250… just search the web (in Russian non the ones in English for foreigners).
IT
udo... welcome to Moscow! Enjoy yourself and feel free to wire in extra money if you want to have a really good time!
Udo1054:
NF prices are generally $250+ for 2-3 hours. Price is also affected by time of night, how busy NF is etc.... so you can always meet girls who will insist on $300+... and get it from someone. As always, overnight is negotiable... but many girls will try to escape before morning if they can, even if overnight was negotiated. BBBJ is also negotiable and I always insist on it. If a girl wont agree, then I dont go with her. Some girls (and I think this number is increasing) insist on condom for everything. Given the nature of their business, I dont blame them.
As we stated before, NF can be a very fun place, but also the most well-known and also "the lazy man's solution", so you do get a lot of businessmen from around the world there who dont know of any other places, are afraid to venture off Tverskaya or are on expense accounts and really dont care what the prices are. The girls all know this and charge accordingly.
As IT mentioned, the better performers are often found among the semi-pros, young girls who have internet profiles on dating websites. The vast majority of their clients are Russians. The websites are usually in Russian only and 98% of the people using the sites are Russian.
You can also try the internet portals which are purely devoted to prostitution, such as [url]www.dosug.nu[/url]... This will also give you an idea on prices in the Moscow market.
To successfully navigate Moscow's prostitution world, speaking at least conversational Russian helps tremendously. There are agencies and websites devoted to English-speaking customers (see the classified ads section of this forum or just check the Moscow Times or Exile magazines). They might charge slightly more, but the difference isnt dramatic.
Basically however you are right. Prices have gone up... of course they have.
An overnighter (meaning 5-6 hours) will cost $200-300 at least. You can still get overnighters for $100-150, but it is harder and harder to find. My attitude is that if you come to Moscow to monger, you should just budget in more cash for your trip than you used to. Moscow is a great mongering destination, but isnt a budget one.
Dear Gentlemen
In my opinion all this pay sites are just for getting your money, some are even sending spy ware.
The dynamic of ads in Russian sites is very simple… the girls pays and have all the interest that the most of surfers see the ad… So why getting paid? Seems stupid.
If you look at my reports:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454405&postcount=463[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=454407&postcount=464[/url]
you can easily see how many sites there are only in Moscow!
Here you get even comments form other customers (at least on [url]www.dosug.nu[/url], [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url], [url]www.red-club.ru[/url], [url]www.ston.ru[/url]) and even ratings!
Going via some translator it’s even possible to easily access them even if your Russian is very basic. Some girls will not go for a foreigner, but if you call tell them the hotel and the apartment number in a simple way… It’s often done. I had some problems only with nice ones doing no hotel visits so I gave the number to my driver, or got in the area by metro ad got a car… It’s quite simple once you are in the system.
IT
I decide to answer to a PM not privately on ground I think the question s of public interest.
It’s on internet site girls.
Of course there is no guarantee that the pictures are matching, and even in this case the pic can be photo shopped, the girls can have a very good make up etc.
Generally speaking price do not have much to do with this. You see clearly fake pics at 400 USD class or at 150 and the reverse is true also.
How to choose a girl?
Some advice from my experience:
a) surf the time you need in advance and choose between 10 and 20 girls, if you can not use your laptop print some pages…
b) prefer less beautiful but homemade pics they are surely true.
c) start phoning not late (approx 8-9 PM) and make a meeting at your room or in the lobby or whatever. So you can see the girl if you do not like just send her away with some tips for taxi (500 RUR will be enough). So you can get another and even a late choiche from the hotel selection if you fail...
d) If you want to get her more and once tell her immediately that you will phone tomorrow or whatever.
Chose form a site where there are users comments or use [url]www.sextalk.ru[/url] (most are [url]www.intimcity.ru;[/url] [url]www.red-club.ru;[/url] [url]www.dosug.nu;[/url] [url]www.ston.ru[/url])
I’ll post here some samples of pics you can see… some surely OK some surely fake some heavily photo shopped, it’s not difficult to see the difference. By the way if the pics is photo shopped usually the girl is exactly that but she has some little problems she try to avoid…
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27875[/url]
This pictures seems lightly photo shopped, but there are favourable comments, even the price class is right.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=27137[/url]
Good studio made photos, probably it’s her… but who knows…
[url]http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/14572/2[/url]
Home made pics, the type I prefer. The girl is surely real, and often better than in picture, the only problem is that it’s really she?
[url]http://www.ston.ru/list.php?foto=p15886_2.jpg&g=Индивидуалки&link=15886[/url]
Cheap stuff, with quite good rating but as you well see a lot of Photo shopping… surely she had a child or two, or three… But can even be a choice if you do not care.
[url]http://dosug.nu/girl.htm?idgirl=6677&n=3[/url]
Quite surely good and real pics, but a little bit overpriced (500 USD !)
[url]http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16795?age_to=19[/url]
This is true and the girl is she simply because I fucked her…
[url]http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/14998?age_from=20&age_to=22[/url]
An obvious fake pic… 120 USD a night? I’ll take the plane this afternoon… and book her for a week!
[url]http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16683?age_from=20&age_to=22[/url]
Another probable fake on ground this girl is a model for some site (with this dress!)
[url]http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/12717?age_from=20&age_to=22[/url]
Another fake… she is in Kiev and working at Gia (good fuck!)
Of course there is an alternative: go to a small or big Salon, look at the, test (on hour) and then take them home. Thre are big and luxurious and some really naïve laike this. Surely the girls are real (never been but…)
http://www.red-club.ru/?with_phone=(495)%20789-07-49
Hoping to be useful…
IT
IT Traveller, Thanks Thanks Thanks
Information you gave are very useful.
I can now imagine that during a possible trip to Russia I won’t be alone or cheated (hopefully)
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Can you please tell us also if prices reported over the sites are reliable?
Meaning when you get the chosen girl is she giving all the services she is offering over the web for the price asked over the web or is there any need to negotiate?
[QUOTE=Lollo Frollo]IT Traveller, Thanks Thanks Thanks
Information you gave are very useful.
I can now imagine that during a possible trip to Russia I won’t be alone or cheated (hopefully)
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Can you please tell us also if prices reported over the sites are reliable?
Meaning when you get the chosen girl is she giving all the services she is offering over the web for the price asked over the web or is there any need to negotiate?[/QUOTE]
Dear Lollo Frollo (nice name by the way!),
Have you ever seen a Russian (Soviet!) menu?
140/20/15/5… is this kind of thing familiar… If so, do not worry, if a thing is offered it’s so… This even applies to prices.
It might be that for a 1.000 RUR or for a 50 USD note you get some extras like BBBJ, CIM, or Anal. But even that for 100 USD you do not even get a kiss (if not offered!).
I think i’ts all…
Bye
IT
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]
I see Helena Moscow listed on both these sites, with what appears to be accurate info, so I assume they are not a total scam. Helena, did you list your services on these sites and can you comment on these sites?
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Did you really see me on these sites? Good news ;). The matter is that I tried to register there several tomes, but never received a confirmation letter from their admins. These sites don't charge girls for listing. Probably this is the reason why they want to charge clients. To my mind, with such great ammount of free escort web-sites in the net, it's impossible to pay anything at all for adverticement. Sites multiply and disappear, if you pay to everyone who asks, you can soon bunkrupt. The only exception is ISG, because It's really extremely useful, exists for a long time and the cost of membership is reasonable. Probably girls who prefer Russian clients find paying for popular sites listings good for business. But I have worked through the net for about 5 month, without even a normal web-site and portfolio, just with 2-3 pictures made by myself in front of mirror, and, still, business goes OK. When I publish my new beautiful site with professional photos, I expect an explosion of calls. And still I don't plan to spend any extra money on promotion. Because the best thing about the internet is that all is possible to find here absolutely for free, just may be you'll need a little bit more information and time.
[QUOTE=Banana Finger]
Anyway, a quick question for all you experts out there who have managed to get inside a dyevs head - out of a $100 I pay a girl from an agency, what does she get and what does the agency/madam get? Thus, if a girl gives you her number directly do you still pay her at the same rate or would you expect a discount?
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Agency gets from 30 to 60% of girls' money, usually 50%. If you meet the same girl without the agency, you are expected to pay the same - no discount, because otherwise there is no reason to cheat the agent. There is always a risk that you'll tell the agent about your direct appointments, which may spoil relationships between the girl and the agent, and as a result the agent will give her less job. By the way, it's not easy to find good agents, so nobody wants to loose them without a reason. There is another point - it's psycologically important for a girl how much the client paid (it's sometimes even more important than how much she gets from this amount). Each girl has a limit below which she will not go. Usually this limit is the lowest price of the agency she works for. Example: a girl works through some agency, client pays 150$, 30% of which goes to the agent, girl feels OK. Another situation: the same client (or another) tries to get her at 100$ directly, but she may refuse, because fucking for 100$ can make me feel cheap, though it will be the same amount at hands.
First of all thanks to Helena for her inside scoop.
I think the central motivation for skipping the agent is not necessarily to save the agency fee, but rather to assure that the girl is getting the entire amount you are paying her. Whether or not her getting the entire amount will affect her performance or motivation is up to the girl, but it still should make the paying john feel better... I know I prefer when the deal is direct.
I think it is important to not be too cheap with the girls. I dont mean we should over pay by any means and I myself try to pay not more than $150-200 for the night or $100-150 for 2-3 hours... which is middle range in terms of Moscow pricing, but sometimes an extra $50 can make a big difference to her or to the chemistry of the meeting... no girl likes a guy who keeps haggling about the price and trying to push it down to an absolute minimum... and quite frankly, I believe the Russian mentality simply doesnt respect this "nickle and diming". Lets face it, if you cant afford an extra $50, then maybe Moscow isnt the right place for you.
Strip clubs:
Check out 109's comprehensive report:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=381135&postcount=2893[/url]
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
but sometimes an extra $50 can make a big difference to her or to the chemistry of the meeting... no girl likes a guy who keeps haggling about the price and trying to push it down to an absolute minimum... and quite frankly, I believe the Russian mentality simply doesnt respect this "nickle and diming". Lets face it, if you cant afford an extra $50, then maybe Moscow isnt the right place for you.
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Not only extra $50, but also extra $100 can open unexpected doors...
I am there for quality cuisine, throwing party with friends and sex. So I have never cried for what I spend.
Yes, Moscow is expensive, but full of opportunities. Sometimes extras add more flavour to the services. If I am gone have sinful threesome with extra $150 than what’s the bang…
I agree with Dr Skank, as usual by the way!
I’m staying around 100-150 USD for a Salon visit (two hours) and at 200/300 USD for an overnighter, sometimes it means only 5-6 hours sometimes it means a really GFE overnight from 8 PM to 10 AM. This of course depends on the girls (Agency etc.)
By the way the prices are sometimes very interesting: if you go to a house of three/four girls, often you can get a nice threesome (two hours) for approx 200/250 USD. Often the girls are really nice. You can check on the sites…
In some hotels (I always avoid these girls) ugly ones are priced at 100.150/hour sometimes even 200!
By the way to Europeans: use dollars or roubles. Thre are still young teens and even older girls thinking that 1 € is 1 USD!
Usually my normal standard (when I have plenty of time) is simple: a early come in, drinks food (by room service) and a lot of sex of course, including all the extras (BBBJ, CIM, Photo, Anal. etc.). So usually a overnighter with all the extra stuff goes on 9.000-11.000 RUR Inluding security bribe for 1.000.
I prefer the Russian system of hotels on ground you should have the girl in the room before 11 PM, at the front security desk they will register her, and with all I’ve heard on robbing and so on (having PC etc with me) it’s worth it. I never had any problem.
IT
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]First of all thanks to Helena for her inside scoop.
I think the central motivation for skipping the agent is not necessarily to save the agency fee, but rather to assure that the girl is getting the entire amount you are paying her. Whether or not her getting the entire amount will affect her performance or motivation is up to the girl, but it still should make the paying john feel better... I know I prefer when the deal is direct.
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I do agree with Doctor_Skank for his reasons plus the fact that in most countries, including mine, the “agency” business is illegal, the girls business is not.
I find in this low construction ethically related, at least in my view, but I do understand this is very personal.
In addition to this when you get in contact with non agency coordinated girls you have more chances to have a better appointment and sometimes also true sex.
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Having said that it is not simple at all to come to meet such girls.
Lollo
Last year I had a heck of a time getting from Moscow to Odessa and back. Aerosvit just this month began non-stop 737 service between Odessa and Moscow. It will fly 5 days per week this summer. This will make it much easier for someone who wants to do both ODS and Moscow in the same trip. Plus, it will make it easier for the RU girls to get to ODS! :)
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capss005... I know I'm getting old and jaded, but let me see if I have this straight! You are going to pay this girl over $1,000 per day to be your companion and provide full-service during your trip? I supposed she'd be willing to do the week for say... $7,000? What a deal!
Plus, add in dinner at Cafe Pushkin... You can't miss that experience... $400+ with "red wine"!
Sushi lunches with champagne, French of course no Russian/Ukrainian swill for this girl... $300.
Plus, you would never expect her to accept staying in an apartment... only the National or Hyatt will do... $450-$500 per night!
If you get get through the week for less than $12,000, you'll be damn lucky!
Now, don't get me wrong... if money is no object and if you actually are attracted to this girl... go for it! BUT, methinks you are falling into the trap many who visit a new country for the first time... they overplan!
Trust me! You'll see so many fine women in Moscow, I think you'll curse the day you ever ran across her webpage! Even in this day and age, $1,000 should buy you almost anything you want in Moscow for the day.... that's assuming that you don't want to explore a little without her tagging along.
Just my observation! Have a fun trip!
Now, don't get me wrong. If money is no object and if you actually are attracted to this girl. Go for it! BUT, methinks you are falling into the trap many who visit a new country for the first time. They overplan!
Trust me! You'll see so many fine women in Moscow, I think you'll curse the day you ever ran across her webpage! Even in this day and age, $1, 000 should buy you almost anything you want in Moscow for the day. That's assuming that you don't want to explore a little without her tagging along.
Just my observation! Have a fun trip!
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Your arguments can be useful for some guys but not for me, you are right in some things, but not in 1000 that can buy anything in Moscow: what is 1000 nowadays especially for a city such as Moscow that considered to be on of the most expensive ones in the world.
I prefer ladies with good education, good taste, good English and don't like hunting in the streets alone and hanging in the bars, to all that you never know who you meet in such places as Moscow and other cities of Eastern Europe, I read a good report about her in Captain 69 where a guy says that she has beautiful looks and good education
- these two things are very important for me, at least I pay 2 and sometimes 3 times more than this in London, Munich and Paris. She speaks very good English on the telephone and I heard that it's not so simple to find a girl in Moscow who will
Be speaking English fluently, and for me one of the most important things is history and culture of Moscow, and she is also a guide round the city that is also important for me at least I could talk to her about something different from where I am from and what I do in life and where I traveled, I tried cheap escorts and was very much unsatisfied, a very big difference.
To all that I am a married man and cannot afford myself meeting free women and twist them round my finger making them think that our relations can be something stable.
At least I checked 250 euro for 2 hours is a middle price for Moscow, not cheap but not too high, [url]http://www.escort-karolina.com/rates.html[/url]
To all that I like beautifully dressed women, who can choose elegant lingerie and I have seen that there is a lot of this she has.
[url]http://www.escort-karolina.com/modeljulia3.html[/url]
And to all I must say that it is so tiring to entertain a woman a whole evening long, then to tell her all this stuff to make her go with you and besides beautiful ladies ask for 300 or 500 for 3 hours at Nightflight and places like that I heard from my friend, if a girl asks for less than that I am sure she doesn't have enough brains and enough means to look after herself in a proper way and to all that just imagine how many men go through her! At least when you pay 300 or 500 you allways get a descent service, descent attention and a smart companion and not a shallow all the time sillily chuckling ninny who dresses and looks in a way that you stop to respect yourself that you began talking to her.
I have tried a lot of escort of high level and made a conclusion that ladies always have their own personality, wonderful figure, very well-brought up, well- groomed, well-mannered and great entertaines, they are allways very sophisticated and intersting, that's all I need and all this is in the lady from [url]www. Escort-karolina.com[/url] as it comes from her pics and her site
So why not phoning her instead of hanging in the clubs and wasting your time.
Don't get me wrong; but you are just wasting your money for an ordinary looking escort.
At first I thought the same way, money was not issue; I could get what ever I want. YES, you can and that is the beauty of Moscow. YES, mongering is cheaper than Paris, States and other EU cities, but don’t fool yourself. It’s nonsense to spend that amount of money only one girl. No matter how well she speaks English, how well educated she is, she doesn’t deserve that much money.
There are hundreds of well-educated English speaking girls available in the market. I understand your thought; you don’t want to hang around at bars or clubs trying to find a decent girl in your taste.
Karoline or what ever her name is, she looks ordinary. There are better looking girls…
[QUOTE=Capss 005] Your arguments can be useful for some guys but not for me, you are right in some things, but not in 1000 that can buy anything in Moscow: what is 1000 nowadays especially for a city such as Moscow that considered to be on of the most expensive ones in the world [/QUOTE]
Can you enlighten us, with your boundless experiences and knowledge about Moscow and Russian women? Cause it sounds like you know something that we all don’t know.
How do you know, she was her on the phone!!…Couple of good reports about her, so what…
Moscow strangely affects your senses and feelings. There are hundreds of possibilities. That’s why I don’t understand why you want to stuck only with an expensive escort.
If you really want to spend $1000 at one night, than take the two most beautiful women at NF (I am sure they can speak as good as Karoline speaks) and take a sinful journey.
You can also find English speaking, well looking girls at zna.nu Even if they do lesbi show and take you to a sinful journey with threesome, they will still cost you less than $1000.
Nobody is judging others; we are here to share our experiences.
c005... If this girl rocks your boat... GO FOR IT!
However, I challenge you to place an ad in omen.ru or similar websites offering $1,000 per day for one week to one OR two beautiful girls who must speak English and be university graduates and then... step back!
I suggest that you will soon be swamped with responses! EVEN if you don't post a photo.
I was also married for my most recent mongering tenure for the past 12 years and I can tell you that I understand your concern and desire to not waste time. However, in Russia it is a waste because it is too easy!
Good luck... If you take my challenge be sure to tell us if I was right or wrong.
If nothing else, the interviews will be great fun and if I still lived in Moscow, I'd post the ad just for the hell of it to see what rises to the surface!
I know if I offered $1,000 per day and a ticket to Odessa in June/July/August, I could not find enough apartments in Odessa to accommodate all of the takers!!! Now, if I could just afford to spend $20,000 per day for the top 20, I would indeed be a happy camper! :)
[QUOTE=Capss 005]
I prefer ladies with good education, good taste, good English and don't like hunting in the streets alone and hanging in the bars, to all that you never know who you meet in such places as Moscow and other cities of Eastern Europe, I read a good report about her in Captain 69 where a guy says that she has beautiful looks and good education
- these two things are very important for me, at least I pay 2 and sometimes 3 times more than this in London, Munich and Paris. She speaks very good English on the telephone and I heard that it's not so simple to find a girl in Moscow who will
Be speaking English fluently, and for me one of the most important things is history and culture of Moscow, and she is also a guide round the city that is also important for me at least I could talk to her about something different from where I am from and what I do in life and where I traveled, I tried cheap escorts and was very much unsatisfied, a very big difference.
To all that I like beautifully dressed women, who can choose elegant lingerie and I have seen that there is a lot of this she has.
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Tell me who doesn't have a good lingery collection in Moscow? Who is not dressing up? Who doesn't have decent education at her age and who of world-wide escorts doesn't speak English? Your message with huge amount of her links and quotations looks too much like adverticement. I'm not telling anything exact, but it starts to seem that Karolina is yourself in disguies ;). Sorry if I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Tell me who doesn't have a good lingery collection in Moscow? Who is not dressing up? Who doesn't have decent education at her age and who of world-wide escorts doesn't speak English? Your message with huge amount of her links and quotations looks too much like adverticement. I'm not telling anything exact, but it starts to seem that Karolina is yourself in disguies ;). Sorry if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]I wasn't going to comment here but since the discussion has evolved. I meet this escort last year and was pretty disappointed. She works with a friend:
[url]http://dosug.nu/girl.htm?idgirl=546[/url]
All I will say is that the photographer did a fantastic job!
Red-Club.com has been recommended here by many members, so I am trying to use it - I am tired of English language sites that insist on joining for a fee in order to give you contact info that the girls are probably already paying to publicize.
So the site looks good - most girls appear to be independent, which is great (more money to them instead of a pimp). And cheap!! Of course, you might get what you pay for.
Anyway, my question is - is there any way to search or identify girls there who speak some English? I can figure out what the ads say, but that won't help when I try to telephone them. Any suggestions?
GT
HelenaM... I think you hit the nail on the head! I must admit that thought did not cross my mind, but I suspect you are correct.
Sometimes it takes a "competitor" to sniff out the back-door advertisement! :)
I'm searching the posts and trying to figure out why I got the idea the Boar House is closed.
I can't find any posts saying the place is "closed" but I do see some talking about the original propietors opening a new place along the original spirit of the Boar House/Chesterfields.
Can anyone put this idea out of my head?
Also, I'm looking for a good lead on a Monday night watering hole (populated with beautiful semi/pro ladies preferred).
LC
Boarhouse/CF is definitely not closed. They've been talking about closing for over a year and at this point, who knows. Doug apparently did open a new club, a sports bar, recently and his last day at DMBH was a couple of weeks ago. I haven't been to the new place so I can't help with it's location or statua.
Info much apprreciated CA.
LC
I checked personnallly this location last Saturday night.
It is not closed, it was full of girls and action after midnight was a little crazy. You feel like the animal in the middle of hundred of "hunters". But, it could be very funny.
Regular girls (or the ones who want to come back without troubles) have to pay a "fee" to security / 700 RUB.
For a full night, after negociation, price is 200/300USD (average).
Price has been increased since last year (it was around 150/200USD in 2005).
Dollar is weak compare to EURO, or girls are becoming more expensive.
Let the prices made in USD, this is good for the European people.
From Night-Flight to CF (or reverse) using russian taxi you should not pay more than 100RUB (at night). Avoid taxi which are too close to the dorr of these locations and try to bargain in Russian. Foreigners or those who are speaking American-English are always surcharged.
End of the week, it is the good time to find non-pros or semi-pros girls who are very enthusiasm and really GFE.
Following the recommendation of a friend, I tried Al Capone Club / Restaurant ( Zubovsky bulvar 27-26 -5, Tel: 247-07-96, 746-3-999) tonight. It's just a five-minute-walk away from Club Rasputin but just 1/3rd in price.
Here the scheme of travel.
[url]http://alcaponeclub.ru/modules/xt_conteudo/index.php?id=4[/url]
At restaurant, I had beer and salad for 500Rb and a good sight at girls as a ceiling at restaurant glass and from below it is well visible as dance a striptease.
Then I moved further inside to the "bar-section" where the working girls hang around.
You can get a private dance for 1000Rb, or you go straight to the room which is 800rb for the club and 3000Rb for the girl ( that's for abt. 40min ).
That is about 100USD which is ar below the posted rates of Nightflight and club Shandra.
The girls are everything from busty to skinny, abut 30% are speaking english. Most of them, I would rate around 7-8, some better some worse.
I chose Inga, a slim dark beauty of about 22 yo with firm little breasts. She attracted me by herself and following the old rules, I accepted her hoping for a good service since she apparently liked me.
After a private dance, we went to one of the rooms, got undressed and started the action. She was very much into it, although she did only CBJ, but the FS was really good due to her tight p***y.
I am surprised not to hear more about the Hungry Duck on this group.
I thought it was supposed to be one of the sex hot spots of Moscow?
Or at least a notable / must-do stop on the tourist route?
What is the Duck really like and is it a worthwhile destination for mongering?
Please enlight me.
GT
GT:
I agree, somebody has got to try that place out again.
Before 2001 Hungry Duck was considered THE must go to place in Moscow for loose women and wild parties.
Then Hungry Duck descended into a kind of sad pathetic existence in a parallel universe that wasn't quite Moscow, wasn't quite penitentiary... a truly despicable place only 2 minutes from the expat-friendly star of the early century, Karma Bar.
But recent reports suggest it might be headed back to old glory.... anybody been there recently?
I was there just under a year ago, didn't notice any pros, but wasn't really looking for them. There were tons of youth hanging out in the dark pereulok just outside and to be honest, I felt a little scared walking up to the place. The place was a bit dirty and dingy but thats not necesseraly a negative if you like dive bars, which i do; if you are into more upscale places this is not for you.
The crowd was young with a decent ratio, mostly middle or lower middle class locals (you won't find any high end models here). I hooked up with a half armenian, half russian 19 yo from the outskirts of Moscow. She told me her and her friends tried going to one of the upscale places but couldn't get in so ended up here. Not too much of a surprise, she was hot, her friends, not so much.
Be warned: at some point in the night all the male bartenders took off their shirts, got on top of the bar, and did a dance routine to some rock ballad, not sure if it was more funny or disturbing but definitely very gay.
To Karma Police
I totally agree with you that Hungry Duck is a sort dirty place in the sidestreet. I was there twice and both times felt uncomfortable and scared. But the strange thing is that my good friends, girls from Night Flight, went there quite often for a change and often met there decent clients for the same money as in NF. One girl even found there a husband ;), a NF man who never paid attention on her in NF. I never was so successful in HD, probably because I never was able to stay there for a long time... but who knows, may be I should try my luck again?
I was there in january 04, saturday night, I arrived in Shemeretyevo 2 in afternoon and in evening immediately there, I get my first pro in Moscow, 100$ and even if not a GFE but good and much better than to sleep alone.
Then I went to HD another 3 times in the same week, I saw both pro and freebie, I took nobody else home, but I get really much fun and never felt unconfortable or scared, but I danced on the table all the night, so I guess they thought I was not turist but a local. :)
[url]http://red-club.ru/show/girl/16086/8[/url]
My mission in this life is over :). I just got the Perfect F**K yesterday. I just finished what I was born to do and I'm glad it was when I'm young and happy and without any baggage. I'm in my 20's folks and thats it.
Good Bye to this world, I'm already in heaven with such a beauty UNTILL..I shagged myself and was suddenly waken by the thunderous scream of this painfull world called reality and begin to doubt my destiny that I saw such a goddess.....guide me here folks...is it true that a joe next door could sleep with a goddess like that in mother russia for just 200 bucks.
Docter_Skank, CA_T..You guys have lived russia like none other....I'm in for your judgement...Is it possible to find such a beauty in this planet earth for a simple joe like me or is it just another scam of cut copy and paste from playboy.
I await your judgement mylord..for your verdict the last hope for me to rekindle my useless energy for contructive purpose instead of losing it everyday in the drain ;)
Born Loser, nice find.
Maybe I will get off my ass in SPB and take a trip to Moscow to research this one for you. Its a tough job but someone has to do it.
Actually, I need to make a list of top choice to check out. This girl would definitely make the list.
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On further review A Russian review of the other girl at this location is not so flattering. This in reference to Lera at same number [url]http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16099/3[/url]
From translator:
Readout of time has gone from the moment of an input to an apartment. Tea of coffee is offered. Тапки, a towel has given. I warn!!! From a towel on a body have remained a heap of fibers so married, if to not be washed still time and not обтереться by something another, 100 % палево are provided. About the fairy - on a photo it, but it is strong отфотожоплена. In real all is easier and more prosy. The usual person, полноватая плюшевая a figure, without traces of playing sports. There are fatty folds on a stomach and бёдрах. A breast, the truth, normal двушка. През.
However, since Lera is asking $150/hr and Milena asking $200 it is possible that Milena is significantly better.
[QUOTE=Rovnak]Born Loser, nice find.
On further review A Russian review of the other girl at this location is not so flattering. This in reference to Lera at same number [url]http://www.red-club.ru/show/girl/16099/3[/url]
From translator:
About the fairy - on a photo it, but it is strong отфотожоплена. In real all is easier and more prosy. The usual person, полноватая плюшевая a figure, without traces of playing sports. There are fatty folds on a stomach and бёдрах. A breast, the truth, normal двушка. [/QUOTE]
Of course, she is strongly отфотожоплена. But still, I think if you have her, you still can be sure that you sleep with a playboy-level girl. Or do you seriously suppose that in Playboy girls go without photoshop?
vince,
Kissing is not guaranteed in SPB either. If I go to Photomodeli for instance, and see the lineup, I usually ask to talk to the girl of my choice before making a final decision. I ask her in private if she will kiss. I'm not even asking for BBBJ or anal or anything out there, just kissing. And yet, quite a few will say "It is forbidden by the house". Now I don't know if it is truly forbidden by the house, or this is just a convenient excuse they are told to use, or whether they are looking for more money. All I know is that it seems like at least 50% claim they will not DFK. I tell them "ok, thanks, but I am not interested". SPB is good but it takes quite a bit of effort to find the ones who are good in both looks and service.
I'm curious about the Moscow salon and indy scene as it seems to be reasonably affordable as opposed to the outrageous Night Flight type of scene. In SPB internet sites I can generally tell which are the fake photos. Very few girls in SPB have real glamor style photos. So the real glamor ones are usually fake. But almost every photo on the Moscow sites are glamorous, high end photos. So either they have better photographers and the girls there decide they cannot compete without high end photos OR there are a lot of fake photos. I wish I knew. Most of the fake photos in SPB sites are stolen from Moscow listings. I have always assumed that the Moscow listing was an original photo, but I am not sure.
VV:
I dont think that one city has girls inherently more GFE than others and I agree with Rovnak that YMMV in either city, as my experience with Moscow pros has shown that at least 75% will kiss... but most of my pros were of the take home type ala CF or NF. Am relatively inexperienced with salon pros in Moscow as it is too much of a hassle for me... or call it laziness. Internet pros ordered to the house will usually kiss, but here you can also ask beforehand. BBBJ is less and less in either city. Shame.
St.Pete in general compares well with Moscow based solely on the internet and salon scenes... they are excellent in St.Pete, although really not much cheaper. Deep tongue kissing was possible with some girls, but not all.
Moscow has a better pickup bar scene... St.Pete has pretty much no scene at all as recently lamented on the St.Pete board. Sure you can find pros in numerous clubs, but there isnt a single DECENT club with a selection of more than 10 girls in St.Pete... or is there any secret spot out there we dont know about? Marstalls and Tribunal are full of old and worn out pros and Magrib features spotty hit-and-miss action... in other words, there is no Night Flight or Chesterfields/Boarhouse in Pitr.
zazdrovya...
Bring me more...
Dear bro,
Some time ago, I was in Moscow for two nights
I got one nice lady, speaking english nicely to me in hotel lobby.
She was looking for extra money. (working a restaurant)
She agreed to come to my room for over night
Good in sex, but was new in business so not keen to suck cock.
But gave me her Y point to enjoy and she too enjoyed my oral to her.
I could get one pic of her, taken with her permission
No Nude as she has to be respected for her privacy.
She left her hp no on next day, if I return to call her.
Cheers,
John
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A Russian friend and I were chatting about all the Moscow "options" and lamenting about the rise in prices for "take home" service. His conclusion was the $200 was pretty much minimum for anything decent. I still find nice girls for $150 occasionally.
In any case, we also spoke about other options and he said he likes to go to "Hotel Kosmos", a Russian hotel on Mira Prospect, and pick from a large group of girls there, who also have access to rooms in the hotel for servicing customers. He said that if you hit the right season, there are sometimes some fresh girls there as well. There is also a night cub in the hotel called "Solaris".
Anybody have any experience with this? The hotel is reasonably priced for Moscow (standard rooms from $135) and could be interesting if there is decent pro action there. I will keep staying in apartments, but it could be a fun option for those bound to hotels.
[url]http://www.hotelcosmos.ru/[/url]
Any info appreciated.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]A Russian friend and I were chatting about all the Moscow "options" and lamenting about the rise in prices for "take home" service. His conclusion was the $200 was pretty much minimum for anything decent. I still find nice girls for $150 occasionally.
In any case, we also spoke about other options and he said he likes to go to "Hotel Kosmos", a Russian hotel on Mira Prospect, and pick from a large group of girls there, who also have access to rooms in the hotel for servicing customers. He said that if you hit the right season, there are sometimes some fresh girls there as well. There is also a night cub in the hotel called "Solaris".
Anybody have any experience with this? The hotel is reasonably priced for Moscow (standard rooms from $135) and could be interesting if there is decent pro action there. I will keep staying in apartments, but it could be a fun option for those bound to hotels.
[url]http://www.hotelcosmos.ru/[/url]
Any info appreciated.[/QUOTE]That's interesting Doctor - Piper and I have a plan to check this place out.
On June 29 there is supposed to be a big "Romance Tour" social here.
Piper and I were going to set up shop in the bar or lobby and try to skim the cream off the stream of disappointed brides-to-be. So no experience with Hotel Cosmos yet, but a solid research program in place! And yes, the room prices seem quite reasonable for Moscow. Also one of the mail-order bride businesses (A Foreign Affair) has an office in the hotel, so there should be a trickle of eager young blood through there often.
GT
GT:
Oh you kids are sneaky, I like it!
As my drill sergeant in basic said, "if you aint cheatin', you ain't tryin'!"
Then he made me drop and do 50 for cheating.
Am interested to hear how your project turns out...
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]That's interesting Doctor - Piper and I have a plan to check this place out.
On June 29 there is supposed to be a big "Romance Tour" social here.
Piper and I were going to set up shop in the bar or lobby and try to skim the cream off the stream of disappointed brides-to-be. So no experience with Hotel Cosmos yet, but a solid research program in place! And yes, the room prices seem quite reasonable for Moscow. Also one of the mail-order bride businesses (A Foreign Affair) has an office in the hotel, so there should be a trickle of eager young blood through there often.
GT[/QUOTE]
Geez, GT, when you put it like that, I almost feel guilty (Almost ;)). Looking forward to helping you out with your sneaky plan.
Meanwhile, I just returned home from the office, it's midnight, and I was going to call a Russian sweetie home to help me practice my Russian. Can't find my monger-phone, so I must have left it in the office. Looks like I'll have to make a quick trip to the local CIS club now ...
See you in a few weeks.
(BTW - my conference hotel is the Hotel President - is that near Cosmos? I can change hotels if I wish.)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]GT:
Oh you kids are sneaky, I like it!
As my drill sergeant in basic said, "if you aint cheatin', you ain't tryin'!"
Then he made me drop and do 50 for cheating.
Am interested to hear how your project turns out...[/QUOTE]Well, I'm prepared to do the 50 push-ups, in the right circumstances.
GT
[QUOTE=Piper1]Geez, GT, when you put it like that, I almost feel guilty (Almost ;)). ....
(BTW - my conference hotel is the Hotel President - is that near Cosmos - I can change hotels if I wish)[/QUOTE]No, it looks like Hotel President is on the south side of downtown, whereas the Cosmos seems to be out north-east. However, they appear to be on the same subway line, about 8 stops, but I don't know how long that would take to travel. My guess is not long, but you would want to think which place is closer to the action all the other nights.
Here is a good link to a subway map:
[url]http://www.hotels-moscow.ru/metro.html[/url]
The President is near Oktyabrskaya along the Ring route (and Orange line) and the Cosmos is near VDNKh on the Orange line.
GT
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]No, it looks like Hotel President is on the south side of downtown, whereas the Cosmos seems to be out north-east. However, they appear to be on the same subway line, about 8 stops, but I don't know how long that would take to travel. My guess is not long, but you would want to think which place is closer to the action all the other nights.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the research GT - I'm getting lazy in my old age. ;) I think I'll stay at Cosmos. Eight stops on the subway, same line, is fine. My memories of subway rides in Moscow are of beautiful girls, beautiful artwork at the stations, but suffocating deisel air and vodka-soaked guys.
Hiya mates,
Need some help for a friend of mine who is visiting Moscow on from the 21st to the 23rd of this month. Any guys there can help him with some good contacts.
Hi Piper: Good to see you spreading your wings. I just logged in to post a request for my friend. He cannot log in because of the same problem most guys face in dubai. The website is Blocked :)
Anyway hope you guys will help my friend and I will be happy to reciprocate when you guys come to my part of the world.
Cheers
Justfun
Dear Friends,
I’ve been there sometimes (some year ago, but I just got there this winter too for a meeting) and seldom I found an hotel which a such security enforced… :(
Of course the hotel is not so expensive, but…, It’s difficult to get in a girl from outside. You should book a room for two and her name, end there is, obviously, no problem…
The local hookers (I mean the hotel ones) are usually ugly and at 150 USD/hour! Why get them for two hours when you can have a teen for the night at the same amount?
It’s true the Cosmos is close to the VDNKh and Ostanknino area. But there are much more girl friendly hotels in Moscow.
Like the Sovietsky (see at [url]http://www.sovietsky.ru[/url]) where you just hear the girl you called knack on your door! No hassles and no problems. For working reasons I always use the suites at Izmailovo, (between 150 and 200 USD) with AC, Computer, printer, scanner, minibar, etc. :) At Izmailovo you have to bribe the security with 1000 RUR at Sovietsky it's completly up to you, nobody will ask you something if you get in with two stunners from Night Flight!
It’s very good to get there (at Izmailovo) with a girl (tocka or similar) before 11 PM, they will always register her Passport so you are quite sure that she will not disappear with your valuables (camera, PC, etc). ;)
Personally I do not like Cosmos at all…
Bye
IT
PS By the way I’ll soon get a fucking tour to Moscow for five days! I hope two sponsored girls, and a couple! Day and Night… fortunately in the lobby of all the hotels they sell Cialis and Viagra.
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]To advise your friend the company [url]http://www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url]. It to you will be grateful and happy.
Need some help for a friend of mine who is visiting Moscow on from the 21st to the 23rd of this month. Any guys there can help him with some good contacts.
Hi Piper: Good to see you spreading your wings. I just logged in to post a request for my friend. He cannot log in because of the same problem most guys face in dubai. The website is Blocked :)
Anyway hope you guys will help my friend and I will be happy to reciprocate when you guys come to my part of the world.
Cheers
Justfun[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I was just reading this…
Nearly all the pics seems fakes on ground of wrong details… look carefully, no pics seems made in Russia!
And as it’s normal on other sites… no price! Just because it’s in English!
There are a lot of other, better, options!
IT
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]When you have not enough money. When there is no money for good service better to not come on such sites, to not be afflicted.
I was just reading this…
Nearly all the pics seems fakes on ground of wrong details… look carefully, no pics seems made in Russia!
And as it’s normal on other sites… no price! Just because it’s in English!
There are a lot of other, better, options!
IT[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I’m travelling in a Country since it was called Soviet Union…Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик, just to be clear. Probably before you were born! I have been living in the former EE countries since the early 80’s, up to 2001. ;)
I know well what an “ONLY” English site for pro is meaning… It’ not a matter of money, dear Victoria 2005, I think I spend much more on other girls. Just better ones! Not Rip-offs! :(
As I said several times, and I think most of the ISG members agrees, I do not want a Playboy “log” in the bed but a “next door” devil: in the bed! It’s much better. I’m European and I do not think at all at these things like lap, private dance, shaving, etc., just time loosing! Exactly like a marriage agency for foreigners in Russia, just to get € or $ or even £ from the pockets like a vacuum cleaner. Just a question… as used in Russia why there is no price for anything in this site? As usual I suppose they decide it from your telephone reactions. :(
But most of all… I well know the businesses, and no photos seems to be made in Russia, some perhaps yes. Unfortunately (or it is done knowing it) it’s not possible to redirect directly to pictures, but I can say you a couple of things…
a) There are some trees which are not growing in Russia.
b) There is a background from a famous brothel from Moscow (not sending out girls!).
c) Perhaps a couple of girls are photographed in a Russian environment, but why are the pics so foggy? When on a much cheaper site (You Said It!) they are good and with good quality and you can understand the photoshopped ones and the real ones?
I think it’s all… Please answer
By the way send your pictures or preferably an address with some Hi def so we can understand what’s behind the words… Do not ask for mine… This is a site for males seeking women, pros especially. So I do not think anybody is interested in my naked pics.
IT
PS
My weekly budget for fun, when I am in Russia, is going around 3.000 USD for a Friday-Monday, but I know I eat a lot of Ikra! :)
Just for showing what I mean… with big photos.
Surely not a beauty, and not the best bargain, but what you see is what you get! No professional photo, but big ones… you see every detail and defect!
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=29390[/url]
And if the girl showing up is not the advertised one, just kick her off… with some hundred roubles for the taxi!
By the way I never nailed this one but I think I’ll do it next time, skinny and getting anal, I hope that with some extra she will do BBBJ!
Bye
IT
I think they all have understood on ISG (my tastes, teens, anal, BBJ, CIM, CIF, photo, etc.), but I still do not understand why there is this unpoliteness not to understand/answer questions.
Just to be fair...
A) WHY ARE THERE SO FEW PHOTOS?
B) WHY ARE THEY SO FOGGY (now after some discussion I can say they are PHOTOSHOPPED)?
C) WHY THERE IS NO PRICE, OR INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO GET PRICE, CAN I KNOW IT, OR IT IS A SECRET FOR RIPPING OFF?
D) I CAN ENSURE YOU THAT I'VE BEEN WITH VERY BEAUTIFUL WOMEN!
E) STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PICS... BUT BE AWARE, IF THEY ARE FAKE IT IS VERY EASY THAT YOU BE KICKED OFF FROM ISG MEMBERS!
Sorry for writing in capitals, but who knows internet (Victoria 2005 seems not to know) knows what it's meaning!
I think Jackson should be aware on this! It is advertising in the wrong section!
IT
About Cosmos Hotel: You are right, it’s not the most girls-friendly one. But I recently was there (entered before 9 o’clock) and no one stopped me. The only problem was that I got lost with the lifts (they have different lifts for different floors and these lifts are located in different places), but security kindly helped me with the road and again(!) asked me about nothing. On the way back they also “didn’t see” me. So, it may be a happy accident or things may change for the better. By the way they renovated the rooms, at least some ;)).
Sovetsky: Yes, still quiet. And they have a fantastic Russian restaurant on the first floor. The new show is MUST SEE ;))).
Izmailovo: Girls often refuse to go there, because it has very bad repute and located in a problematic place (difficult to find taxi, a lot of Caucasians from the market near-by. Security asks 500rubles for entrance and don’t let girls to enter until you come down for them. It’s also quite far from the center.
About Sweet Dreams: Dear IT Travel, I personally know that most of the pictures in Victoria’s web-site are made in Russia. I even know by whom (was thinking about using the same photographer, may be will do so next time). But some of the pictures are really made outside Russia, by the same guy (he is Bulgarian), and girls went to Bulgaria both for holidays and shooting. By the way, even if not this, why do you think that a Russian girl can not go abroad and bring portfolio from there? It’s affordable. About famous Moscow brothel I don’t know, but why couldn’t the girl from that picture work their in the past and use her old portfolio?
«I think I spend much more on other girls. Just better ones! Not Rip-offs!» - I know, it’s now a sort of fashion to complain of Victoria’s girls. I never was too much interested in details of her business (though we are friends), but last week we were sitting in a cafe, and a couple of girls from her web-site came in. One of these girls I also sent to a client, and he complained that she was not beautiful (I was surprised because Victoria assured me that she was the best girl ever worked for her). And there I saw this girl myself. A real 23-year old stunner, with blue eyes, long silky hair, nice breast, full lips, kind smile, very polite and charming. I even felt a bit uncomfortable, because this girl looked 10 times more attractive than me (naturally, I wanted her to leave faster not to make me nervous :)). And men still complain. They say she is a rip-off and on picture looks better. Bullshit!!!!! She is too good for most of them. Another pleasure of complaining is that she can’t respond.
Sure, we have a lot of 16-year-old well-dressed beauties hanging about boutiquies in Tverskaya. Sure, you may look at them and say: escorts are shit, there are a lot of better girls. Everywhere. In a way it’s true. But most of these girls are not escorts and will never be available for fast sex. They just don’t need it. So, please, try to be happy with who you can get ;) Victoria’s girls are not the worst ones. I’m not blind and also compare different sites, including your favorite ;))))))))).
About Ikra: Wow!!!!!!! 3000$. Respect. How many kilogrammes do you eat per day? All my family love caviar, but we never managed to spend so much on it within a week-end. Please, share experience ;))))))))))))))
If I have been impolite, I’m very sorry.. so I have to clarify some things… To all of you.
Sorry Helena but I perhaps miswrite! Of course I mean a 3.000 USD for a long weekend, not only on Caviar of course (girls were included…)!
I can agree with you on all the hotels, you were at Cosmos at 9.00 PM, I do not know how it is but once it was a very strict security to protect the girl working in the hotel.
On ground I have no time to take a taxi (due to Moscow traffic, you cant’ get from an Industry area to the other in reasonable time) I find more convenient to take Underground and Izmailovo is a fair combination between being in a good place and price (I mean for the suites of course), and having fast data lines (and document check). Which you do not have in most hotels in Moscow, (most are at 56 kbps, a nightmare if you are sending pictures! Internet Cafes are much better!). But let’s go on to girls…
I do not complain so much on beauty, I know the pictures are fake… I’m talking about another thing. I just took once a such girl: no kissing, no touching, no that, no that.. just riding. I’m not a horse! And I know what I’m speaking on…
Most important I wrote to the e-mail reported in the “dream site” and I got a nice answer in English, I was politely asking for the price: no answer, just redirected to another site, I was asking for a specific girl where it was written she is doing anal.
This is the text first the answer than my question.
“ Dear, Oksana does not do anal sex. Anal sex does Olga, Natasha and other my
site anal does Victoria, Lika, Natasha. [url]http://www.yourfantasy.ru[/url]
> Hello!
>
> I find Oksana so interesting!
>
> Can I have a price for an overnight? I mean 12 hours or so, of course including Anal?
>
> Thanks”
In the same site there is (advertised) for anal: Olga and Masha, and Oksana of course. And this is what it is appearing on the site (the dream one) at Oksana’s page, but it’s impossible to link it directly:
Oksana:
Age: 19
Height: 169 cm
Weight: 56 kg
City: Moscow
Country: Russia
Eyes: Grey
Hair: Blonde
Occupation: Massage, anal sex
Smoking: Smokes sometimes
I think I can read… I do just not write or talk because I have fingers and mouth… By the way of course no indication on the price!!! Not even in the mail. So Anal is fake… Wold the answer be the same if I asked for Olga?
Sorry Vince, I know I have to be cool but not fool: if somebody of readers can get me a girl of those in the two sites for 250 USD a night they are warmly welcome, but if it is not the same girl, or another from the pics selection she can go home… Due to my experience I do not think you get a model type for 250 USD for an overnight, some body thinks it’s two or three hours, I mean from 10 PM to 10 AM, just that.
The link is still a site with poor pictures etc, as the other.
SORRY BUT YOU HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO MAKE ME THINKING YOU ARE NOT A RIP OFF!
IT
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]About Cosmos Hotel: You are right, it’s not the most girls-friendly one. But I recently was there (entered before 9 o’clock) and no one stopped me. The only problem was that I got lost with the lifts (they have different lifts for different floors and these lifts are located in different places), but security kindly helped me with the road and again(!) asked me about nothing. On the way back they also “didn’t see” me. So, it may be a happy accident or things may change for the better. By the way they renovated the rooms, at least some ;)).
Sovetsky: Yes, still quiet. And they have a fantastic Russian restaurant on the first floor. The new show is MUST SEE ;))).
Izmailovo: Girls often refuse to go there, because it has very bad repute and located in a problematic place (difficult to find taxi, a lot of Caucasians from the market near-by. Security asks 500rubles for entrance and don’t let girls to enter until you come down for them. It’s also quite far from the center.[/QUOTE]
I know the hotel, the restaurant and the show... usually I'm there when I do not have much work... to do, just working on girls, It's perfect for that in my opinion, You have even a night in the basement (full of girls, but I never tried)...
Good breakfast and, of course fantastic restaurant! :)
IT
Next I'll send you pics on the Izmailovo Suites... By the way security asks for 1.000 RUR! :(
Hey guys,
I've had the experience with two of Victoria's girls, Lika and Katya.
As I posted earlier, the photos if in fact are the ladies in question, had to be taken 5-10 years ago. So on the initial meet, it's kind of a let down, as one builds up their expectations. But I have no complaints regarding the service and the girls more than accommodating, pleasant attitudes and actual performance. All services confirmed by Victoria on the phone at the time of making an appointment were provided. If something wasn't on the menu, she was honest about it.
In fact, both experiences exceeded my expectations on the services side, and more than made up my initial letdown on the difference between the photo and actual appearances. Lika to date I rate as the best BBBJ/CIM I've ever had, what a artist! Katya, who I saw for 2-3 hrs, made me rise to the occasion three times, once the traditional method, once with an excellent BBBJ/CIM and a 3rd time via Russian style.
So the bottom line is, you can get the girl in the photo and end up with less than desireable experience or do you want the experience and as long as she doesn't actually look like a dog-face?
[QUOTE=It Travel]
Next I'll send you pics on the Izmailovo Suites... By the way security asks for 1.000 RUR! :([/QUOTE]
IT, could you, please, write more detailes about Izmailivo? Which building (Alfa, Beta, Delta...) do you stay? What did you do to bring girls over there (met downstairs, paid to security, registered in your room, at what time, did you go out with the girl?) The matter is that I wasn't there for about 5 years, at that time it was terrible and I still avoid it. As well as most of girls I know. But may be now all is different?
About Cosmos at that time I was surprised that noone said a word to me. I saw some girls inside, too. And security before were taugh, made girls from outside register even in the afternoon. The biggest problem I had with my priest client, who didn't want to attract attention ;). They didn't register for about an hour, on different pretexts sent us from one person to another, all the hotel was watching. You must have seen the show.........
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]The biggest problem I had with my priest client, who didn't want to attract attention ;). They didn't register for about an hour, on different pretexts sent us from one person to another, all the hotel was watching. You must have seen the show.........[/QUOTE]
Thanks Helena for putting a BIG smile on my face, I wish I was there to watch the show indeed! :) :) :)
I always enjoy reading your posts, but this one really make my day. I laughed so much my stomach still hurts. ;)
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]IT, could you, please, write more detailes about Izmailivo? Which building (Alfa, Beta, Delta...) do you stay? What did you do to bring girls over there (met downstairs, paid to security, registered in your room, at what time, did you go out with the girl?) The matter is that I wasn't there for about 5 years, at that time it was terrible and I still avoid it. As well as most of girls I know. But may be now all is different?
About Cosmos at that time I was surprised that noone said a word to me. I saw some girls inside, too. And security before were taugh, made girls from outside register even in the afternoon. The biggest problem I had with my priest client, who didn't want to attract attention ;). They didn't register for about an hour, on different pretexts sent us from one person to another, all the hotel was watching. You must have seen the show.........[/QUOTE]
For looking at the rooms (the higher standard ones you can go at [url]www.izmailovo.ru[/url] not fake pics the rooms in the Delta-Gamma block are exactly so, I have never been in the others (with the exception of the lobby).
Now the Delta-Gamma block has been undergoing a renovation process for the last four or five years and the lobby is more or less normal with the usual overpriced shops, bars and some restaurants there are also different type of restaurants at the 2nd and 3rd floor. The best is the two face European/Chinese/Japanese restaurant you have in the Gamma.
Getting girls there is very easy. During the day you just phone to the one you like and wish to come… then when the girl is there she has to go in the corner of the lobby and phone you up (she has to know the apt number) then she can just be registered (with your presence) at the security staff (they just write down passport facts as a normal guest under the day). Still the soviet method…
If the girl is staying upstairs later than 11 PM, they will just knock on the door for getting she out, but easily and openly the problem is quickly solved with a 1000 RUR note. ;) Even getting up two or more (if you have a suite) is not a problem... fixed tariff 1000 RUR each :(
If you have to get in after 11 PM, just go to your elevator block and when the guy ask for the card handover it and with some privacy hand over a 1000 note to the guard, he will just ask to when the girl will stay and it’s all.
By the way the breakfast (typically Russian) in the hotel is quite good (also confused!) but you have a choice of a lot of different things and sometime you can just see the working girls taking some food before going home, once I mad a contact there.
Yes I know there are Caucasian taxis and people around but never had problems (usually I do not use the taxi at all).
By the way since they started the renovation of the hotel (I have been there many times) there are around 5/7 working girl in the lobby a couple are acceptable 5 or 6 but working in their dirty rooms (not renovated) and asking for 150/hour for nearly nothing. Some years a go I went for a chubby one with big tits, but at that time it was just 50 USD/hour and I managed to get three hours for 100. Not a bad experience but nothing interesting at all…
IT
[quote=ffmbud]hey guys,
i've had the experience with two of victoria's girls, lika and katya.
as i posted earlier, the photos if in fact are the ladies in question, had to be taken 5-10 years ago. ...
so the bottom line is, you can get the girl in the photo and end up with less than desireable experience or do you want the experience and as long as she doesn't actually look like a dog-face?[/quote]
dear friend,
it’ exactly what i’m speaking on!
my favourite is going to teens (legal ones!) and i can guarantee you that despite whats’ saying on the site you can still fine ones in moscow! of course there are exceptions, special girls with special attitude (like my friend valentina, with her baby face, giving tremendous deep anal service, like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a teen! and she is 24)
you have understood the point! i’m not interested in models or real pros. if you get some naïve ones and work them well you can still get some to be wet (!), and then it’s very esay to get what you want from them, usually the real only no no is anal. i like girls participating and i like to make them having fun too…
but my two friends i am going to sponsor finally agreed both for it, and it will be a real fun (no beauties, but no logs in the bed!) with real gfe fucks, like the last i got with iriska. just to treat them gently and decently and then you can get all you want out of them.
the two i’m going for, will accept deep throat cum injection (you can’t spit it!) so they both swallow! i’am planning six days of fun: two with a couple of sponsored girls, two with one and a couple of days of free teen hunt! it’s my holidays for the summer.
thanks for the advises!
it
In the photo section I will post some room pictures!
IT
As far as the hotel being girl friendly, it isn't. There is a sign posted, and the security will enforce, that each guest there has to show their room pass to board any of the elevators. I was able to get one girl up to my room last summer during the afternoon, but the security guard gave her a stern conversation in Russian which I didn't understand and when I asked her what he said, she said that he said to hurry whatever she was coming up to get.
The Cosmos, as posted by other members, has their own selection of girls that aren't noticable around the lobby unless you look for them. They most frequently hang out in the lobby bar and can even be ordered from there by asking the bar staff.
Concerning the Solaris club downstairs, it is not always a stripclub. I think only 4 days of the week, 5 days max, are there stripshows. On evenings that it is a stripclub, there will be one of their female staff in the lobby by the stairs handing out an advertisement with a coupon off the cover charge which is 1,000 roubles full price. On the other days, it is just a regular dance club. The girls for the most part are not working girls and if you are going there to try to pick up a girl, good luck. The last time I was there earlier in the year, I chatted with one girl who admitted that most of the girls were married and had children. Late last summer, however, some action could probably be found from the friskiness of a few of them, but again, the club is not a working girl club.
As far as the rooms in the hotel, the regular rooms aren't anything special. It seems in the past 6 to 8 months that are trying to make even more money and have added vending machines on each of the floors for snacks and the refrigerators in each room are now locked and stocked with refreshments. They used to be usable so I could shove my kvas and food in there for my morning hangover. Don't get me wrong, I still like staying at the hotel and having a metro station directly across prospekt mira makes the place attractive.
To It Travel:
Thank you very much for detailed posting and pictures of Izmailovo. Now it’s clear, girls avoid it in vain.
To GrandJim: ;)
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]To It Travel:
Thank you very much for detailed posting and pictures of Izmailovo. Now it’s clear, girls avoid it in vain.
To GrandJim: ;)[/QUOTE]
Dear Helena…
As the prices of hotels in central Moscow are crazy and I’m travelling on fixed basis reimbursement I prefer to put 18-22 minutes on the underground.
For approx 150 € at Izmailovo Gamma-Delta I get a suite, renovated usually with:
Computer, Fast internet line, Scanner, Printer, Private fax line, Minibar, Office basic things, Bath, Sleeping room, Bathrobe, etc, a real wardrobe, and much more. Breakfast for two is included. Visa registration also. Telephone and minibar are quite cheap and efficient as the staff (when you are in the suite). For 22 € you can get a single (a nightmare!) funiture since 1979!.
I really think the Izmailovo is infamous due to the other blocks, to some bad rooms, and to the caucasian market. By the way I have been there dozen of times, even in the bars and eating mutton shashlik and never had any kind of problem… I think it’s only a perception from ugly taxi driver (but I take the metro), and from some “hard” security staff, specially in the Alfa block. Often I got two girls on my room in Gamma or Delta… no problem at all, I even got them at breakfast, one registered and you pay 300 RUR for the third…
So I think it’s a good compromise between price efficiency etc, and the you have the vernissage, and most of all a lot of efficient services (air ticket, train, restaurant for all prices, shops, laundry, photo shop, and whatever) inside the Izmailovo complex.
Every time I get there I still find something I did not know! It’s absolutely to big. The last is a Sauna and Pool at ground floor on the Delta Block ( in the Elevators hall, in the former Armenian Restaurant). Ill’ go there next time, but there are at least (in the area) three more saunas.
IT
PS But if you have a customer there you have to tell him how it works, in some places they have face control, here it's RUR control, but it MUST be very discreet!
Sorry to be here but some Senior asked me what's the meaning of Izmailovo.
Just very simlpe... nothing. Exactly like all old toponomastic old geographical names, some times they are linked to some local conditions, otherwise, thy just mean nothing...
Its' not like VDNKh or whatever. Izmailovo is in Russian History.
Izmailovo Royal Estate, whose remaining buildings are clustered just a 10-minute walk east of the vernissage and the Hotel (built for Journalists in the Olympics in 1980). This property was owned by the Romanov boyars since the 16th century (before they got Czar), the estate was the favorite retreat of Tsar Alexei and his son, the future Emperor Peter The Great. Who transferred the Capital City to the New Founded Petrograd, then Petrograd in Russian, then Leningrad, and then St. Petersburg.
It,
You're right, we better post this in the Moscow section.
You asked about the service from theese totcka girls. My experience is that if you get the new girls ( young and a bit naive ) and you can speak some russian, you can get almost what you want. I never get BBBJ, as this is not safe in my opinion, but I have had some girls who were going to start doing it, even though I didnt ask for it. As for COF and CIM, I think it is more difficult to get this service, also I prefer just to finish on the breasts. But I have expirienced that many of the girls can be talked in to doing anal. I have done this several times, often on girls who did it for their first time. I take a lot of time to explain that she must be well prepared and lubed to make it a good experience, and a lot girls are interested in trying it out.
I also find it possible to get permission for photo / video in many cases.
You said that you have some sponsor-girls from omen, how do you make the deal ? Do you go for a longer period ? ( as many of these babes set their price for a period of one month ) Or is it possible to make a shorter "contract" ?
I have seen some real hot ones on omen, but as I normally only go to Moscow for a few days, I wonder if it is worth the effort to try to get in contact with one of these babes ?
I have heard that it also should be possible to find girls who are looking for sponsorship on other dating sites have you heard about this ?
Rasman.
[QUOTE=Rasman77]It,
You said that you have some sponsor-girls from omen, how do you make the deal ? Do you go for a longer period ? ( as many of these babes set their price for a period of one month ) Or is it possible to make a shorter "contract" ?
I have seen some real hot ones on omen, but as I normally only go to Moscow for a few days, I wonder if it is worth the effort to try to get in contact with one of these babes ?
I have heard that it also should be possible to find girls who are looking for sponsorship on other dating sites have you heard about this ?
Rasman.[/QUOTE]
Sponsor Girls
Generally speaking they have no real rules, as I explained before… they will not just go with anybody. They have to like you just a little bit at least. Some speak very good English, others non at all. So the range is very various.
For 70-100.000 RUR a month you can get a stunner in your bed and do what you want with her… long time rental always cheaper than short time ;)
You get more normal ones in the area of 50.000 RUR
Some are working on a daily (24 hours) basis between 5.000 and 15.000 RUR (they even write it).
The ones I found got on weekend rates, something in the area from 600 to 1.000 USD of cost for you from Friday to Monday. Not beauties but very sexual and always doing BBBJ CIM COF, even swallowing!
So in my opinion it’s seems a bargain.
I’ll stay a long weekend with a chubby blonde (I like both chubby both skinny girls) and she seems just a little 20 y.o. pig (I mean in bed)
So for saying also to Helena, if you take the girl, the hotel, some restaurants, a theatre or a disco, some small gift, and for me some expensive food like Imperial or Beluga, and Viagra of course it’s easy that you go up to 2.500 USD for a weekend from Friday noon to Monday noon.
Contacting them is usually quite easy, just go via the site and search location, age, etc. The problem is that you have to be at least basic in Russian.
I know it is expensive, but the GFE you get is much better than with a pro form Night Flight, but if you got a such one for three nights and put together all the other costs the difference is not so big…
But be aware some, around 30% in my opinion, are pros, trying different Marketing! Some are really naïve and nice. I’ll se with a petite 18teen with enormous tits! I offered her 300 USD a day, and she enthusiastically accepted (all included, a mere 235 € for me, a three/four hour evening in a German sauna with three or four pops!) the only thing she does not like are photos, but I’ll try to convince her.
I do all this from home and this is the advantage, I meet them for seeing if I like them in a trip, and the fuck them in the next. I have so little time so I do not like (said before) go around and hanging in bars and strip clubs. I’ll get in Moscow soon, and I’ll find the girl I want and I have already seen waiting for me in the lobby… what’s better?
Of course in some evening I just go for pros for changing but mostly on Internet.
As I told before the old days of the third floor of Hotel Intourist (Tverskaya) are gone. I do not know if somebody remembers. You just got there, took a drink or whatever and there where between 15 to 40 young girls, mostly beautiful teens ready for everything. Most of them where dancing alone on a little dance floor for showing their bodies… fixed price: 100USD up to noon next day! That was a fun period. Unfortunately no pictures!
Bye
IT
Somebody PM me on LAda Olya (the beautiful tutted teen in my last photo report from Izmailovo
here she is:
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/personal.php?id=21971[/url]
No idea if it is still working, it's the down version of the page (not more in line).
Bye
Happy hunt... i reccomend an extra 1.000 for a BBBJ with CIM, and she will go on up to when it's softening, using your cum as lubricant!
She is still working. I had called her to my apartment when I was in Moscow in May. She looks quite different than her pictures. She has truly big tits, but she has a disproportional body. She is quite a shouter. My experience with her was only mediocre. I personally don't recommend her services...
[QUOTE=It Travel]Somebody PM me on LAda Olya (the beautiful tutted teen in my last photo report from Izmailovo
here she is:
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/personal.php?id=21971[/url]
No idea if it is still working, it's the down version of the page (not more in line).
Bye
Happy hunt... i reccomend an extra 1.000 for a BBBJ with CIM, and she will go on up to when it's softening, using your cum as lubricant![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hedonist]She is still working. I had called her to my apartment when I was in Moscow in May. She looks quite different than her pictures. She has truly big tits, but a disproportional body. She is quite a shouter. My experience with her was only mediocre. I personally don't recommend her services...[/QUOTE]
Seems interesting!
I thing she got just in the business... She was quite interesting and a nice GFE last year. :)
I think a lot of girls just get worn out, I mean in the mind... one of the reasons I like, and go, always to some one... they are not mind worn out!
Of course it's just an opinion.
For me (just once) BBBJ with CIM was very good :) :) :) and intercourse too... the body is surely chubby, but I like chubby, skinny, normal, etc...
I'll try again next time!
Thanks for infos and Bye
IT
IT,
I came across her posting in omen.ru
You might check it out
[QUOTE=Ffmbud]IT,
I came across her posting in omen.ru
You might check it out[/QUOTE]
You mean a new or an old one?
Can you copy and paste the link?
Bye
IT
Salon Monro advertises heavily on intimcity, etc., and I visited it for several reasons. One, it was cheap. Two, I like hand jobs (they do not offer intercourse), and Three, I could find it. They list at 36 Leninsky Prospect, which is true, you just have to know which door in the back, and what number to put into the dials to get buzzed in. They're on the top floor. The place was clean friendly, well-run. What you get is a lot of oil, rubbing, simulated sex. No condoms. I left very happy. :-) I can't any of the girls I met on their web listings, but I'll keep looking.
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]Salon Monro advertises heavily on intimcity, etc., and I visited it for several reasons. One, it was cheap. Two, I like hand jobs (they do not offer intercourse), and Three, I could find it. They list at 36 Leninsky Prospect, which is true, you just have to know which door in the back, and what number to put into the dials to get buzzed in. They're on the top floor. The place was clean friendly, well-run. What you get is a lot of oil, rubbing, simulated sex. No condoms. I left very happy. :-) I can't any of the girls I met on their web listings, but I'll keep looking.[/QUOTE]
Good that you found it yourself! Sometimes with all this things block, stair, apt and door code it might be a nightmare...
By the way if you have some place like the one you showed in St. Petersburg forum, which seems a real bargain, for Moscow let us know, I'll be there soon... :) :)
Bye
IT
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]I can't any of the girls I met on their web listings, but I'll keep looking.[/QUOTE]
Dark-haired girl on right. Not best looker but remarkably skilled with the hands.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/25207/2.jpg[/url]
Blonde, lower right. Her hands and butt cheeks worked together remarkably well.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/27017/3.jpg[/url]
There was another, who I can't find, but she was not memorable.
I think it's nice and cheap... but no BBBJ, no Anal, no "introduction", etc...
I think It's not for me.
As previously told: massage, lap dance, strip, etc... I prefer jus f****** ... or a nice BBBJ or even better a hard anal.
Thanks in any case, may be once I'll try... You never have to say no I will not do it.
Thanks
IT
[QUOTE=etaoin2003]Dark-haired girl on right. Not best looker but remarkably skilled with the hands.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/25207/2.jpg[/url]
Blonde, lower right. Her hands and butt cheeks worked together remarkably well.
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons_img.php?path=Fotos/Persons_src/27017/3.jpg[/url]
There was another, who I can't find, but she was not memorable.[/QUOTE]
Hell fellow forum members!
I have seen two persons Helena & Victoria interacting in the forum quiet regularly.
Are they and their friends good as they claim to be used for a short visit to Moscow.
Any feedback would be highly appreciated
Regards
Sylvan
My current Russian gf, who is 29 ,thinks that she looks more like 25 and that all her friends say the same. But it be fair, to me she looks more like 35 y.o (so well above her real age).
This is not bothering me at all but I'm just curious as it is not the 1st time that a russian woman tells me that she looks younger than her age and that I think otherwise.
Has it ever happened to anyone of you? Is it a Russian thing?
Thanks for your comments.
[QUOTE=Member #3016]My current Russian gf, who is 29 ,thinks that she looks more like 25 and that all her friends say the same. But it be fair, to me she looks more like 35 y.o (so well above her real age).
This is not bothering me at all but I'm just curious as it is not the 1st time that a russian woman tells me that she looks younger than her age and that I think otherwise.
Has it ever happened to anyone of you? Is it a Russian thing?
Thanks for your comments.[/QUOTE]
I know wel the problem noticed the same thing all over the EE, and in the Balkans it’s even worse than in Russia.
Usually girls seems really mature (I mean 18 teen or more) when they are 15-16, and start to be is some way “oldish at “25-30”. For men sometimes it’s even worse. My former company has some workers in Serbia, approx 35-45 y.o. but some of them saw like 55 or even 60.
You have to take in consideration that life expectancy in Russia is approx 10-15 years less than in the highest standard Western Europe.
In my opinion all of this facts depends on several things like:
Heavy smoking stared when they are very young (about 12-14). I seldom met a girl non smoking and you all know what it’s doing to the skin (the smoke I mean). Most of the girl I met smoked between 30 to 50 cigarettes a day!
Drinking: very few do not drink, I do not mean a glass of beer or a vodka or wine, Iriska in one evening drank a bottle of White Martini, (1 liter !), one beer (0,5 liter of Baltika), and a couple of 100 gram vodka shots, and fruit juice of course! There are some positive things… I got this fantastic COF and some CIM with swallowing! But It’ happened also (Tatarstan Report) that the girl was starting with every thing like pissing on the floor! And of course drinking so heavily makes people older (It happens also in the US). Some north European drink much, but usually one a week, or less. Often Russian drinks every day, It’s enough to go to a supermarket in the outskirts of Moscow and see the section for Vodka: usually a whole corridor!
Food: they are usually eating too much fat… and to little vegetables and fruit (on ground of cost of course).
Pollution: now it’s much less, but 10 years ago when you got out the SVO airport the pollution was incredible, the same in the city. I think it also makes problem with the skin.
When I meet Russian girls, It happened to Iriska and Sveta (you now sponsor ones, not bi****), when I told them I’m nearly 45, just some month less, they both said noo!!! And finally I had to show my ID. Instead Iriska is 21 and looks approx 25 in my rating, several others like Olya (the big hard titted one) were just 18 and looked 20-22.
My first monger friend in Russia was 18, and I met her when she was 28, three or four years ago… She seemed 40! I was trying to get back to her remembering nice days, and a very nice girl… I thought, she was only 18 so now perhaps… The fact was: smoking, drinking like a Russian sailor, three children a disappeared husband, etc. etc. by the way a 12 hours a day work in a store. An she looked at least 35-38, and was more than 30 kg over the weight she should be… :eek:
The only one I have met with good condition age appearance are two: Diana/Alisa/Lada the little (155) anal girl… she is 29, and looks around 25/6. And my next sponsored she is 22 and looks 18 (!!) ;) . But she is a chubby, it helps, smoke very lightly and drinks even less, but she eats a lot of sweets… I hope se loves also proteins :p
I think you understand my point of view and I think it mostly the same throughout all the former EE countries: too much smoke, too much drinking, wrong eating, and perhaps pollution.
IT
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]Women in Russia always look is younger than the years. I very seldom met the woman who look is more senior than the age among the friends. If also there are such women only because they conduct not a correct way of life, a wrong feed and live not with those men. I think, that the secret of a youth of many people is incorporated inside as the person wishes itself to feel and it will be visible to associates. And the Russian women are shone, they wish to be beautiful, young and desired! If the woman speaks, that it to look is younger than the age, it means so itself feels!
[QUOTE]
Dear Victoria, unfortunately I have different opinions, but you have also PM (Personal Mail or Private Mail) from me...
IT
"Women in Russia always look is younger than the years"
I was only two times in Russia, but I spoke and met many russian girls in net in the last 2 years and 99% of them look really much older than their years..
Victoria, I understand that you are russian, or ukranian.. and your try to defend russian women, but here more or less we all know the truth cause we saw it with our eyes.
I agree with It Travel,eating zero fruits and vegetables, smoking as lada:) and drinking alkohol as fish drinks water made them always older than they are.
Also most of men do not care and do not like about women over 25/30,cause they think are old and under some aspects they surely are.
The same situation I found in czech and slovak republic,where often in entrance of disko I saw bodyguards asking to girls ID cause also 16-17yo look as 20yo and older.
It is very hardly to find in east europe woman about 40yo still sexy,in good shape and beautiful,but it is pretty common in west europe where a girl 18yo still look as child.
They are as rose...so nice...but for very very short time.
p.s. For everybody who wants to see how is the truth,it is enough to do a quickly search in LL for age in russia,or ukraina, and you will see, if they look younger or older than their age. Try it...
[QUOTE=Lukasek]"Women in Russia always look is younger than the years"
I was only two times in Russia, but I spoke and met many russian girls in net in the last 2 years and 99% of them look really much older than their years..
Victoria, I understand that you are russian, or ukranian.. and your try to defend russian women, but here more or less we all know the truth cause we saw it with our eyes.
I agree with It Travel,eating zero fruits and vegetables, smoking as lada:) and drinking alkohol as fish drinks water made them always older than they are.
Also most of men do not care and do not like about women over 25/30,cause they think are old and under some aspects they surely are.
The same situation I found in czech and slovak republic,where often in entrance of disko I saw bodyguards asking to girls ID cause also 16-17yo look as 20yo and older.
It is very hardly to find in east europe woman about 40yo still sexy,in good shape and beautiful,but it is pretty common in west europe where a girl 18yo still look as child.
They are as rose...so nice...but for very very short time.
p.s. For everybody who wants to see how is the truth,it is enough to do a quickly search in LL for age in russia,or ukraina, and you will see, if they look younger or older than their age. Try it...[/QUOTE]
Sorry but what do you mean with LL...
[QUOTE=It Travel]Sorry but what do you mean with LL...[/QUOTE]
LL: [url]www.luckylovers.net[/url]
I also think that many Russian women look older than than really are. I agree with the rose/flower analogy. They blossom early, and fade early as well.
I think the food they eat is not so bad, it sure is better than hamburgers and fries. Maybe it's genetics, EE women tend to gain significant weight in the waist area when they're middle aged. Look at babushkas (babushki)!!!
In the villages and smaller cities, the women generally have a more active lifestyle. So few that own cars, just having to walk everywhere will make you more active, and thus (with their physiques) more beautiful... when compared to the western woman (on average).
However, consider the increased rate of smoking in Eastern Europe, and there is a major cause for the sudden decline in beauty. Just my theory.
Tommasini
It is pretty common knowledge that Russian and Ukrainian women age in "dog years" once they hit, or come close to, 30 years old. After that it is a rare one who can maintain their youthful appearance.
Well, it may also be down to associating with bad boys like myself.
After all, I have been behaving badly since I hit 30 - nearly the same thing.
I am getting younger and cuter every year.
Thanks for the comments. Now I know I'm not the only one thinking that way ;-)
Agree, the food isn't so bad but the drinking and the smoke don't help.
Also, I took my gf on a All Inclusive package to Tunisia and saw her belly growing by the day... so she tends to put on weight quite quickly... In Moscow the food she eats will not even be sufficent for a pigeon... (not that she can't buy whatever she wants but she restricts herself a lot... so now I know why she's so slim.)
Be careful in Moscow with sweet-dreams.ru. I scheduled a meeting with Natasha. Look on the site and tell me if she doesn't look amazing. The gal that showed up looked as if she were about 45 years old; she seemed to be as dumb as a rock; and she was fugly. I stalled by suggesting a coffee, and I just upfront told her that there was no electricity here and gave her 500 roubles for showing up (late). She was visually crushed and kept asking why I didn't like her. It was a bad scene, for sure. I was very dissappointed.
By the way, I stayed right off of Red Square for $50 per night. It is a shyt-hole, but you can't beat the location. I brought a female friend to my room, and the front desk said nothing. Details: Hotel Tsentralnaya off of Metro Chekhovskaya; Phone: 229-8957; some desk clerks speak broken English at best.
Haven't seen anything here in a while on the Oh La La Club. Is it still open?
I'll be in town in a couple of months' time and was planning a visit.
Advice appreciated.
Dear Friends
I found very interesting your sponsoring discussions in the Ukraine (Kiev) thread. I write here on ground what I write is in Moscow and of course has to be in Moscow.
In these months I had a lot of contacts, and I can tell you for sure that most sponsoring is for Russians. A lot of girls would not even answer/meet you as a foreigner. :(
Mostly I found two types of sponsoring: occasional and long time: the prices ranges from 150 to 600 USD a day and from 1.500 to 3.500 USD a month (In this case usually the girl should live with you and you pay all her cost, so it’s at least the double).
I found some real beauties and even dogs (cheaper of course). As you know I met some and will meet some more. I found some interesting 6/7 girls giving (I still suppose) nice GFE and are mostly wild in bed.
As somebody says it’s a mutual exchange of favours… living good and wealthy in exchange of GFE and sex.
Most interesting is often beauty and age… I found for a long tome relationship, but I’m not interested on ground I do not live in Moscow, a nearly model type (but a little bit more grown up) model type, just 18! It might be a real thing for a 45 y.o.! :)
As I told I’m more interested in getting a little pig in a bead instead of a stunner with medium attitude. Usually I found that the 6/7 girls sometime are real devils (the stunner usually so not need to be it!), even better if they are even a little bit naïve. This is the reason for whom I prefer sponsoring and even pros (with some exceptions) which are teens. ;)
Bye
IT
Dear Helena,
Any news from your new web site and naughty pics...::))))
EE aging
It is not genetic.
1) I know personally many EE girls in the USA living western life styles and they look great. Ok bad example, but look at Martha Stewart who is upper 60s and she is EE, and she looks good, or the ex prime mister of Ukraine, Yulia. Personally I think is the most beautiful world leader.
2) Diet. It’s not that bad in EE as they drink a lot of juice and vegetables. Cabbage is king.
What is the cause?
1) Smoking – no question they smoke like a links on a continuous chain.
2) Air pollution I think is a factor, perhaps water also. Pollutants cause free radical damage just like sun damage.
IT, please break it down a bit more. 1500 to 6000 a month, that is just the direct cash "stipend", yes? I am very curious how this actually works out.
After the up front "stipend" you have all sorts of additional expenses no? Dinners and shopping are expected, yes?
And what is the level of sex you can expect? How many times a week? Is this something you negotiate up front or is this something you play day by day as you would with a real girlfriend? Is this one of the differences beteen the low end 1500 and the high end?
And how many months are expected. I suppose a one month and done policy is not typical.
Hi there,
what are good websites for sponsoring girls?
cheers
Dear friends, usually I just take Fiday-Monday sponsoring… It can go from 500 to 1.500 USD, depend on girls.
I got an offer from a former model (180 cm really skinny) for 1.200 for a long weekend… Of course you have to be kind, the GFE depends on this… food, some little present (usually some lingerie) and of course hotel etc.
The best of sponsoring is, as told, that you can find still naïve teens.
Just for being really transparent, my next one, a chubby blonde, 170, something over 65 kg, medium English and really funny will do anything in bed that you like (intercourse with condom) but nearly all is allowed, in unlimited quantity, she just told me (at a dinner) tha the only things she prefers to food is sex! An I believe her even if not tried her yet … CIM with this long blone hair will be fantastic… and I’ll try to get her with pig tails for anal!
Getting beck to our things
The “monthly” girls usually tend to meet you before at least once, then they will take some luggage and get to your place. Of course you pay a lot for them. Wealthy Russians think they are just part of the house, like the furniture and change them often or, perhaps get two or three girls in the same bed. Usually the normal ones, not the stunners, are treated like home appliances. That is the reason, I suppose, for whom, as a foreigner I get lots of mails from this girls, and from the seen ones, even offers, with a friend, for a duo or so.
Getting out of the office and knowing you have a beautiful one willing teen warming up your be is something too much for me I will not resist one month! I’ve heard from Iriska, good but surely not the best fuck, but offering every thing fro 250 a day plus 200 for her friend Olia, but I’m a little bit tired on them… So I’ll go for others
If you go on [url]www.omen.ru[/url], a site for Russians, you will find hundreds. Approximately one third are fake photos, but the other are real, and sometime you even got the telephone number.
Some have monthly price, some daily, some both. For along weekend just take the daily price and multiply by nights and make some discount, they will accept. Most of the young teens, you recognise them from the homemade pics, some are real models over 23-25, will just ask you an offer, and then they will decide if stay or not… usually for a three night week end 500 USD for a 5-6 girl (but perhaps a 18 teen with incredible tits!), and 800 for a 7 is OK. A model type will go on 1.200. Most will make BBBJ and CIM, less than expected will do anal, few sex photos.
The best thing is to take them to some fun the have not done, think that the non model type, I got a date with a very sophisticated one, wanting 500 USD a day, will be happy with some food in a quite normal restaurant: all will ask for sushi, and half will not eat it! Mind they usually are quite simple and not wealthy, being clerks or working in shops for 300/400 USD a month (even less) and in Moscow it’s really nothing. So they do not have any money for any thing.
Iriska was 22 (telephone not avaliable... sorry), so se was born during the collapse of the Soviet Union. I took her skating (on ice)… at Gorki Park: 300 RUR an hour, she never did it in her life… living in Russia, a girl wich never skated! So mind that if you treat them gently they will be happy, they are not simulating anything, you are just buying some days of their lives and they are happy to sell it. If you look at [url]www.omen.ru[/url], at the top lists of girl interests there is fantastic, fantasy and so on… they just dream of being others for some days. With monthly girls I suppose it’s different. I have seen some teens around 100.000 RUR/onth I think I will die for!
I hope the thinking is clear, and I must say that some of my favourite pros sometimes are treated, by me, in the same manner, just staying there more time. Of course thy are not naïve, but they are more skilled and, obviously, more expensive.
The best thing you can do is just book an hotel for the days chosen, and book them as guests too… And just fuck them as much as you can, by the way there are even few duos for sponsorship.
IT
IT thanks for reply, very informative.
Yes, I have seen the omen "looking for sponsor" ads. And also in love.mail.ru. It seems that in many cases these are pros who hope to land a sponsorship. I know this for a fact that most of the "want sponsor" ads on love.mail.ru are hourly pros as well. As much as anyone is a pro, since many younger pros are full time students as well.
There is a subtle difference b/t the pros hoping to find a sponsor and the girls who only want a sponsor and will not work short time. The girls who work hourly but hope to land a sponsor will post their phone numbers. The girls who only want a sponsor typically do not post their phone numbers. They expect you to give them your email or your number and then contact you to set up a meeting. I exchanged emails with a few stunners like this but I was turned off by their monthly price quotes when I tried to compare the amount of fun that could be had for the same $ spent incrementally.
There was even one super hot duo that would only accept someone to sponsor both of them. Would that I had the wallet for that scene.
However, your points about weekend sponsorship is interesting and something I might consider as my todo list on the SPB pro market is non-existent right now.
So, let me get this right, IT. Some of the "sponsor only" types that will refuse hour and two hour work, could be approached for a weekend? That is an interesting option. I assumed it was "monthly" or nothing with those girls. This opens a whole new set of options.
Here is a link to a "monthly" only ad on ome.
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884[/url]
She quotes 50,000R month -> $1800 USD. I would not spring for that on a montly basis as I want more variety anyway. But I might enjoy her company for a weekend. What do you recommend starting the negotiation at for a weekend?
I did meet one beautiful and sexy Moldavan pro in SPB who's fantasy is to go to Paris. I asked her if I paid for trip would she would go as my girlfriend and not expect additional compensation. She said, of course, if I paid for trip she would be my girlfriend. Something to consider.
re :[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884[/url]
just thought you should know that the lass in that ad's pic is a porn model... I've noticed this is the case with a lot of those omen sponsor ads, bit hit and miss though I guess.
Good luck though
No negotiation,
I just believe that the pics are not true for 50.000 RUR a month.
A sponsorship in that area of price means that the girl(s) are at your home...
I'll have some problems in belive it!
Contact her and ask for a dinner (of corse you have to pay), in a very nice restaurant, telling that she might be as beautiful as the picture... not the "same" girl as the picture (this has no really importance, and the fact that you tell her is really important).
If she come, ok go on, if she do not come, just eat...
I can suggest you a good restaurant on Petrovka, on the left side coming from the Red Square, just before the monastery on the right side, I do not rememebr the name, but you'll find it...
Bye
PS by the way I have never spoken in sponsorship on "hour work", it's always at laest day work, otherwise they think you treat them like a ***** and you will be pissed off by GFE!!! ;)
[QUOTE=Rovnak]IT thanks for reply, very informative.
Yes, I have seen the omen "looking for sponsor" ads. And also in love.mail.ru. It seems that in many cases these are pros who hope to land a sponsorship. I know this for a fact that most of the "want sponsor" ads on love.mail.ru are hourly pros as well. As much as anyone is a pro, since many younger pros are full time students as well.
There is a subtle difference b/t the pros hoping to find a sponsor and the girls who only want a sponsor and will not work short time. The girls who work hourly but hope to land a sponsor will post their phone numbers. The girls who only want a sponsor typically do not post their phone numbers. They expect you to give them your email or your number and then contact you to set up a meeting. I exchanged emails with a few stunners like this but I was turned off by their monthly price quotes when I tried to compare the amount of fun that could be had for the same $ spent incrementally.
There was even one super hot duo that would only accept someone to sponsor both of them. Would that I had the wallet for that scene.
However, your points about weekend sponsorship is interesting and something I might consider as my todo list on the SPB pro market is non-existent right now.
So, let me get this right, IT. Some of the "sponsor only" types that will refuse hour and two hour work, could be approached for a weekend? That is an interesting option. I assumed it was "monthly" or nothing with those girls. This opens a whole new set of options.
Here is a link to a "monthly" only ad on ome.
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=610884[/url]
She quotes 50,000R month -> $1800 USD. I would not spring for that on a montly basis as I want more variety anyway. But I might enjoy her company for a weekend. What do you recommend starting the negotiation at for a weekend?
I did meet one beautiful and sexy Moldavan pro in SPB who's fantasy is to go to Paris. I asked her if I paid for trip would she would go as my girlfriend and not expect additional compensation. She said, of course, if I paid for trip she would be my girlfriend. Something to consider.[/QUOTE]
Several points:
Yeah, the 50,000R ($1800) seems low considering that you suggested weekend prices can go up to $1200.
What would you expect a looker like that to command for a weekend in Moscow terms? This by the way is an SPB girl. As I live in SPB, but there is no discussion of sponsorship there, so I jumped in this thread.
Why do you write that the 50,000 implies she wishes to "move in"? Is it possible she has other job and just wants sponsorship for luxury money. Of course, this would also limit the amount of time she was willing to spend with the sponsor. That is why I asked if there were conventions for time spent toghter in one of those monthly arrangements if you were not living together.
Also, I understand that sponsorship is considered quite different from hourly prostitution. And, yes, for a woman who posts exclusively for sponsorship I would never suggest hourly meeting, as I know they would take offense.
However, I only mentioned that there are quite a few posts on love.mail.ru where the girls are primarily hourly pros and make no bones about it, but they ALSO post that they are looking for a sponsor. That is why I was saying there are two types. Those who are looking exclusively for sponsorship, and those who are working hourly but hoping to "move up" to a sponsorship.
One last thing. Some of the sponsorship adds also have a quote for "meeeting". How is this different from "night" price quoted by the pure prostitution ads? Or are they the same thing?
Here is example with a 6000R price for "meeting".
Цена за встречу 6000 руб
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641778[/url]
Hey IT,
Would it be too difficult to find a "real" russki GF. I mean: no obligations, you would bang her as long as you find it enjoyable, then go to next one.
Of course it would not be cheap either - you would have to buy her presents - but not as expensive as sponsorship girls.
OK, let me try this again.
Is the Oh La La still open? Anybody been there lately?
Is it worth a visit?
Thanks
[QUOTE=San Tarm]Hey IT,
Would it be too difficult to find a "real" russki GF. I mean: no obligations, you would bang her as long as you find it enjoyable, then go to next one.
Of course it would not be cheap either - you would have to buy her presents - but not as expensive as sponsorship girls.[/QUOTE]
I do not think it is so difficult. If you are under 45, good aspect and better wallet and, of course, live in Moscow they will still queue for you!
Unfortunately I'm in Russia only few days each time and with very little time to spend privately. For me sponsorhip or hooker is better and cheaper!
Bye
IT
[QUOTE=Rovnak]Several points:
Yeah, the 50,000R ($1800) seems low considering that you suggested weekend prices can go up to $1200.
What would you expect a looker like that to command for a weekend in Moscow terms? This by the way is an SPB girl. As I live in SPB, but there is no discussion of sponsorship there, so I jumped in this thread.
Why do you write that the 50,000 implies she wishes to "move in"? Is it possible she has other job and just wants sponsorship for luxury money. Of course, this would also limit the amount of time she was willing to spend with the sponsor. That is why I asked if there were conventions for time spent toghter in one of those monthly arrangements if you were not living together.
Also, I understand that sponsorship is considered quite different from hourly prostitution. And, yes, for a woman who posts exclusively for sponsorship I would never suggest hourly meeting, as I know they would take offense.
However, I only mentioned that there are quite a few posts on love.mail.ru where the girls are primarily hourly pros and make no bones about it, but they ALSO post that they are looking for a sponsor. That is why I was saying there are two types. Those who are looking exclusively for sponsorship, and those who are working hourly but hoping to "move up" to a sponsorship.
One last thing. Some of the sponsorship adds also have a quote for "meeeting". How is this different from "night" price quoted by the pure prostitution ads? Or are they the same thing?
Here is example with a 6000R price for "meeting".
Цена за встречу 6000 руб
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641778[/url][/QUOTE]
If you go on omen in SPB city you will find 140-150 girls... select the city with the menu...
Never seen the girl, but for 6.000 RUR a meeting, meaning a day or a little bit less, it seems a fake photo (as written), too model type. By the way a meeting is something like a early dinner and a night of sex, the perhaps breakfast and lunch... It's up to you and her.
Of course when you have a girl sponsored living with you she will not charge and amount per fuck! All should be included!
IT
Rovnak
some links in SPB for sponsoring I belive the pics are true (then if the girl coming is the same of the picture I surely do not know!).
No model type, but specially the last ones seems not bad at all...
let me know if you get to nail some... ;)
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=640877[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=633382[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=641273[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=630492[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=631071[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=603222[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=627603[/url]
[url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=607740[/url]
IT
Question - I was in Moscow a few weeks back and stopped by Ishtar on 2 separate evenings only to find it was closed.
Does anyone know if this world class brothel is still open?
If not what is the best alternative?
This keeps going back and forth, back and forth. So I'll add another back. I'd recommend EE women anytime. In my opinion (of course, there are exceptions everywhere) they usually TRY a hell of a lot harder to look good than their american counterparts (see the American Women section of the board for that rant). Granted, I'm in Prague and not Moscow, but the women around here sure dress and try harder to look better, or at least they dress a hell of a lot more "feminine" than women of the same age group in the U.S. Thank f***ing GOD the women here don't all walk around in sweatpants, sweatshirts, white tennis shoes and fanny packs. They're all still trying to look like Gloria Swanson. I've actually only seen one woman with hairy legs so far, but she had a shaved head and an orange robe, so I'm pretty sure it was a cult thing. True, old ladies are old ladies, but seeing a group of thirtysomethings all squeezed into low-cut summer dresses, push-up bras and pumps never fails to bring a smile to my face. Hard living ages people, but for my money most of these ladies have to move their asses far too often to let them get too big. So I guess that's my 2 kopeks.
Binky
[QUOTE=Lukasek]"Women in Russia always look is younger than the years"
I was only two times in Russia, but I spoke and met many russian girls in net in the last 2 years and 99% of them look really much older than their years..
Victoria, I understand that you are russian, or ukranian.. and your try to defend russian women, but here more or less we all know the truth cause we saw it with our eyes.
I agree with It Travel,eating zero fruits and vegetables, smoking as lada:) and drinking alkohol as fish drinks water made them always older than they are.
Also most of men do not care and do not like about women over 25/30,cause they think are old and under some aspects they surely are.
The same situation I found in czech and slovak republic,where often in entrance of disko I saw bodyguards asking to girls ID cause also 16-17yo look as 20yo and older.
It is very hardly to find in east europe woman about 40yo still sexy,in good shape and beautiful,but it is pretty common in west europe where a girl 18yo still look as child.
They are as rose...so nice...but for very very short time.
p.s. For everybody who wants to see how is the truth,it is enough to do a quickly search in LL for age in russia,or ukraina, and you will see, if they look younger or older than their age. Try it...[/QUOTE]
Hello guys,
I am thinking to visit Moscow for one week in July because I am attracted from the "incredible russian beauty".
I am reading this forum, but it is not an easy task.
Can you say me if Moscow is dangerous for strangers, especially for men looking for women?
What do you suggest? Hotel or apartmen?
Any other relevant information?
Thank a lot
Cartesio
Its official!
Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!
Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.
Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?
Non-oligarchs need not apply.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Its official!
Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!
Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.
Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?
Non-oligarchs need not apply.[/QUOTE]
This could be both good and bad. Aside from the apparent negatives, the bright side is the high cost in Moscow will deter many potential tourists from visiting.
[QUOTE=Jovon]OK, let me try this again.
Is the Oh La La still open? Anybody been there lately?
Is it worth a visit?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Hey dude, I was there in may and it was still rocking - its always worth a visit IMHO - especially if you havent been before.
I will get round to posting a trip report sometime.
[QUOTE=CharlieH]
This could be bad, the cost will deter many visiting.
[/QUOTE]
Less competition will NOT help. Keeping away everyone
who isn't willing to pay ridiculous prices means that the
mamachkas can keep raising the price, and since the
fat cats don't care how much they pay, they'll just keep
paying more and more.
It should work the opposite way, supply versus demand,
but it won't in new world capital of greed.
CharlieH:
Bez is right, the lack of tourists doesnt keep the price down, if anything it keeps the price up.
Moscow is indeed the capital of greed, and any sensible working girl will try to make as much as she can. Girls arent charging $200+ at Boarhouse because they are evil... they charge so much because they can get away with it... it may seem like greed, but it is actually simple economics, which are based on greed, so I guess it is greed, and if greed is evil, that makes the girls greedy AND evil too. Fucking suki!
Wow, that was simple.
dear Doc and Bez,
I agree totally with you.
A lot of things are even more $$$ in Moscow than in EU.
But girls are still wonderful... I'll be thre soon for some days sex (I have also some working). It's amazing how you find girls asking 400 USD! The problem is that they get them... Some stupid is getting the market destroyed.
I will tell more on my sponsored girls when I'm back, might be interesting. Contacted some...
Bye
IT
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Its official!
Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!
Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.
Pussies made out of gold? Or tuna sushi?
Non-oligarchs need not apply.[/QUOTE]While I agree this must drive the price of pros up.
I wonder if it can create an opportunity for hunting non-pros?
I mean, how can secretaries, shopgirls or even educated office workers afford to survive in Moscow? Well, maybe more of them will be forced to consider "other" sources of income. Now if these ladies seek business in the same places as pros do, then they will tend to charge something like pro prices.
But if we can find "motivated" girls before they have explicitly hung out their shingle (turned on their red light) then the price structure could be quite different. To look at it another way, how many low-wage earners can afford to refuse your $200 (or other valuable consideration) for the night? Especially if properly wrapped in romance.
My point is that there will more and more girls living at the margins, and that is where the marginal income from guys like us could become increasingly important to them.
GT
Bez,
Well if there is one positive thing that Moscow greed has produced its lots of young girls that want to get ahead in life and oodles of 30ish hand-me-down models past their prime looking for a ticket anywhere.
None of this costs more than a little game. And sometimes not even that... :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] ... and oodles of 30ish hand-me-down models past their prime looking for a ticket anywhere.[/QUOTE]Speaking of ticket anywhere - can anyone recommend free websites for contacting non-pro girls in Russia?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
Bez the tourist dont keep the pingi up.
Moscow the capital of greedy girls ass.
Girls are evil and greed is evil, the girls greedy AND evil.
Fuckii!
Wow.
[/QUOTE]
So.....like what are you saying?
I must confess that you are dissapointing your fans with your trend
away from faces with nudity.
Hopefully there will always be university students who will be happy
to have a foreigner sponsor them, sometime preferring us to local
leather who treat them like garbage.
Speaking for those with limited game, generosity was painless after
this princess of the motherland showered me with her primal passion.
Under protest until the Skanks brings back smiling beavers,
pretty pale blue eyes that still send shivers down my shaft are
sadly cropped out on this red snapper goddess.
Sorry Bez, cant post many faces these days... I agree that it sucks, but there are extenuating circumstances which prohibit such...
I know that lately there is more bad news than good news when it comes to the pursuit of our favorite breed of women, but I havent given up hope nor stopped searching for the mother lode nor discontinued the obsessive hobby of dyev worship... nor will I ever stop fighting for my piece of the pie.
Surrender is not an option for us... attack is the only option.
... to the guys who PMd me some sites after my request. And thanks for not telling me to "RTFF!" :) You guys are too nice, especially Doc.
I have a couple of Brit girls lined up since I posted my request - what a challenge! Will see how it goes.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Its official!
Moskva is now THE most expensive city in the world!
Costs of living has passed Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, etc.
[/QUOTE]
Another official boolshit. I just came from Spain. Even a fucking Lloret de Mar is more expensive than Moscow. In Barcelona everything is expensive, too. Some cheap places exist, of course, but far from where forigners go.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]CharlieH:
Moscow is indeed the capital of greed, and any sensible working girl will try to make as much as she can. Girls arent charging $200+ at Boarhouse because they are evil... they charge so much because they can get away with it... it may seem like greed, but it is actually simple economics, which are based on greed, so I guess it is greed, and if greed is evil, that makes the girls greedy AND evil too. Fucking suki!
Wow, that was simple.[/QUOTE]
If Moscow is The capital of greed, then why on most American sites girls (ordinary-looking) ask 400$ per hour and 1500$ overnight? Dinner in a restaurant - 800$. On British sites it's even better: same numbers but in GBP ;))))). Models ask more. Sometimes I am completely at a loss, who lost the sence of reality: they or us... I just know that in Russia you can get this money only as an accident, ones a year, the rest of time if you insist on this amount, you'll sit without work, even if you body is made of gold and pussy of diamond. Unfortunately...
"If Moscow is The capital of greed, then why on most American sites girls (ordinary-looking) ask 400$ per hour and 1500$ overnight? Dinner in a restaurant - 800$."
Moscow still is the capital of greed, but I wasnt refering to the sex trade in general. In America and England sex is totally overpriced because both of these countries are sexually repressed, at least in terms of prostitution. This sexual repression overvalues sex and pussy and women and agencies take advantage of that fact. Its also one of the reasons the girls at Night Flight love American and English businessmen who happily pay $500 for sex with a grade B blonde with the excuse that "back home this woulda cost me $700!" So rather than thinking they hopelessly overpaid by $300, they think they saved $200... :)
If prostitutes were so freely available at normal prices in the US, UK or even Italy for that matter, there wouldnt be any need for people from these countries to spend $1000s travelling around the world for pussy.
As for me, mid-level Moscow prices ($200) are already almost above what I am willing to pay. Its not a question of being able to pay, its a question both of sense and pride. Paying $500 for sex would make me feel used and like a fool... I know that some people think paying $500 for sex makes them feel powerful and strong... maybe I'd feel the same if I was a millionaire and didnt actually have to earn my money. I suppose worrying about the cost of sex is in violation with the Russian mentality that money is God and God is money, but these concerns are also an expression of my reality and the reality of most of my ISG brethren... :) Its simply a fact of life that for great cheap pro sex, the "good old days" in Moscow are long long gone. Great sex with pros is still out there, but harder to find and more expensive every day. The $100 overnighter with a fresh cutie from Tomsk just doesnt happen anymore, but we all know that and there is no point bitching about it.
By the way, I just had some of the best pro sex I have ever had in Odessa, 2 guys banging a really great chick over the course of 2+ hours for $150... anal, swallowing, BBBJ, DFK.. truly an all included holiday package. Secretary on her "lunchbreak" earning some extra cash. That's the reality I prefer.
As for Moscow being the most expensive city, as I said before these polls are based on economic factors that most people dont even consider, such as real estate prices,. cost of office space etc. In real terms Moscow is on the same price level as any normal European capital... fine for us, but too expensive for much of the Zhiguli-driving and metro-riding Moscow population.
And to supplement what Big Bro just wrote, I have also always said the best part about Moscow is the mix, there is much sex available there for the taking that doesnt cost anything... but as a "pure" sex destination, Moscow is "price-intensive"...
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]See what happens when you're too skanky?
Ok, well it seems you truly do have some circumstantial extenuations
with the Piper's pipe, perhaps your "attack" would be better served
with penicillin.[/QUOTE]Huh? .
This time I am coming with my Moldavian girlfriend to beloved Moscow. Luckily, she loves strip clubs and she is bisexual. I’ll be there for sinful days and nights.
Who cares whether Moscow is the most expensive city or not…
I have always enjoyed in every single visit. I am not after $400 and up 9-10/10 model type girls; $200-300 GFE type/beautiful girls and/or girl next-door type 24-35 years old women always attract me.
Hanging out at NF is entertaining but it’s nonsense to pay $400-450 for 2 hours. Most mongers are too lazy or afraid to explore the splendid Moscow nights. Live music clubs/bars are the unexpected one-night long freebie action spots.
Booze, attracted women, delicious sea food (lobster, crap, tiger shrimps and sea horse), cheap sushi, head blowing kalyans, smoking exotic tobaccos with churchwardens, enjoying the Cubans while watching the sunset at City Space in Swiss Hotel, gambling and awesome nightlife…plus crazy Georgian and Gipsy drivers and road bugs jigulis… what else do I need…::))
Lovely, Helena,
Any news from your new web site? Love the black corset....You look yummier...::)))
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]
Lovely, Helena,
Any news from your new web site? Love the black corset....You look yummier...::)))[/QUOTE]
Yes, Big Bro, good news. Site is ready. Tomorrow will search hosting ;).
Fellow mongers! I will be in Moscow in 1.5 weeks on business for a week. 1 day in Lipetsk, Cherepovets. I speak the language, but haven't been in the motherland for a long time. Business brings me back.....
1) Staying in Hotel UKRAINA on the business floor. Is it girl friendly? What kind of girls (quality/prices) will I find downstairs in the bar/lobby? Don't have much time to go out, but will if I have too.
2) What are the good massage places to relax after a long flight, where I can get a good BJ at the end (preferably bare)
3) Do any of you, have phone #'s of the tried girls that you can recommed please? I don't trust some of the pics on the web-sites - some of them are too good to be true. And if they are true - too expensive
4) My budget is $100-$150 2-3hrs max - don't have time for all nighters (gotta work in the morning). Willing to pay $250 for a good treesome. Love tall girls. Want to party every night!!!
Any help will be appreciated!
Spasibo
Kosmos
It's certainly bad for the hobby but might not be a bad thing for freebie hunting. The high cost of living will deter casual tourists from visiting. Moscow won't become another another Prague, the barrier of entry is high in Moskva. We will not see college students going to Moscow for spring break. They can't afford it.
The Hotel Ukraina is girl friendly. There are the same half a dozen or so girls who arrive at the hotel bar every evening. The first shows up around 9pm and most are there by 11pm. They can easily be recognized. In my opinion, they are on a scale of about a 7, by Russian standards (we mongers have high standards here, don't we?). You have to go up to them and make conversation because they are instructed not to bother the hotel guests who don't show interest. In one amusing display, I listened to one of the girls annoyingly play her cellphone ringtones for 15 minutes in an attempt to draw attention. I do not know the prices of the bar girls there, sorry.
The security guards are everwhere, if you call that security. Except for your initial check-in with your luggage, you'll never get stopped again to go thru their metal detector even if you are carrying some large bags. The guards will also not stop a girl with you (at least that is my experience which I tested 4 or 5 times this month) even if they see her with you but just look you over as you walk by to size you up for trouble. So have your phone numbers handy when you arrive!
Enjoy your stay in Moscow, Kosmos!
[QUOTE=Kosmos]
1) Staying in Hotel UKRAINA on the business floor. Is it girl friendly? What kind of girls (quality/prices) will I find downstairs in the bar/lobby? Don't have much time to go out, but will if I have too.
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Ukraina is quite friendly. In the day time noone asks question, in the night girls must register in your room. Going out with a guest card (which is given to a girl after registration) is no problem. I heard from clients that girls from downstairs go for 50-70$.
Last time I paid $45 from Sheremotova II to Kolomenskaya....
Any updates for taxi fares?
I never take official taxi in MOCKBA, but I have some experience with "typical" taxi
At any location and at any times, you can stop a car by staying on the side of the street and pointing your right hand finger down to the road, then a lot of cars should stop nearby.
I you know to speak a little bit Russian it will help you to explain where you are going to and to bargain.
Unofficial rates are following : 200 RUB with each 30 mn within first ring a little less expensive outside.
Typically you will pay 100-150 RUB to go from Orlyonok hotel (located nearby MOSCKBA University) to city center at day time and 150-200 RUB at night to come back to same hotel from KURSKAYA station (CF)
If the driver is driving a typical "old" Russian car and going to the same direction as you, you can expect to pay 50-100 RUB instead of 100-150 RUB.
Do not hesitate to take a typical Russian car (LADA, JIGOULI, GAZ Volga,...) this will be an unforgettable experience, but do not take a car at night when there are two people in front seats or if the driver is looking too much a "brown" guy face
(Chechen..).
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Last time I paid $45 from Sheremotova II to Kolomenskaya....
Any updates for taxi fares?[/QUOTE]
Airport - Center of Moscow - 1300Rub (about 50$) plus may be some extra fee (reasonable) from Center to Kolomenskaya. Tel.: 940-88-88. I just don't know if they speak English.
There are so many offers for airport transfers in Moscow, but I think for not russian speaking people [url]www.gotoru.com[/url] is an attractive provider. I used it already several times and there have been never any problems, it has been always reliable. Prices: Rus Car RUB 1080, Western Car RUB 1170, Western "Business" Car RUB 1410
[QUOTE=Scoubidou]
At any location and at any times, you can stop a car by staying on the side of the street and pointing your right hand finger down to the road, then a lot of cars should stop nearby.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I did that. I was heading down the road, not all that far ... Leninski Prospekt, except that I said Leninskaya, since all I know of Russki is pazhalsta and spasiba and three or four other obvious words.
I wrote the number on a piece of paper. 300 rubles. He heads across the river. Oh shit, I think. This guy is taking me out to God-knows-where. And we have one of those I-don't-speak hand-waving conversations.
Big U-turn, back across the river. It was a short ride to my destination and I think he will enjoy the overpayment.
I now feel very worldly. :-)
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Airport - Center of Moscow - 1300Rub (about 50$) plus may be some extra fee (reasonable) from Center to Kolomenskaya. Tel.: 940-88-88. I just don't know if they speak English.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.waytorussia.net/Moscow/ArrivalDeparture.html[/url]
"Sheremetyevo - Moscow by Bus. If you're on a budget or want a real Russian experience, take a bus. Note, that the buses operate only from 5.40 until 24.00. If you arrive later than 23.00 your only option is a taxi. You can just walk outside of the airport (ground floor, right wing exit) and in front of you there will be a bus stand. There are either buses or shuttles-marshrutkas. They work from 6.00 until 22:00 - 23:00 and go to the nearest metro stations 'Rechnoy Vokzal' (green line, north) or 'Planernaya' (violet line, north-west) and cost from 5 R (for buses) to 25 R = $1 (for shuttles). It will take around 30 minutes to get to the metro."
I did this. 5 rubles for the bus, 15 for the Metro, and walk to the hotel. I would not do it in the dark. And the guys outside the airport are really eager to put you in a cab. It is good to know how to read "rechnoy voksal" in Cyrillic.
Of course thre are lots of gipsy taxis everywhere, there are no dangers, but from the airport they all know that you have some money with you. Usually there is no risk but some robbed guys ended to the Police Station and I red on them in the papers.
By the way I usually use Intourist service for transfers. They can be booked by e-mail, and they speak most languages of the world (English, German, Spanish, Italian, French, etc). You will even get invoice.
When you arrive you have to exit the baggage claim and then go to the centre of the arrival hall. You will find a booth. Where you get car and driver.
The price for Moscow centre is approx. standard 48 USD from the airport to the city and 40 USD the referse (in the first case they have to wait you).
But you can't get the service "on spot" you have to book it, is fast and reliable. Always on time.
IT
[QUOTE=etaoin2003][url]http://www.waytorussia.net/Moscow/ArrivalDeparture.html[/url]
"Sheremetyevo - Moscow by Bus. If you're on a budget or want a real Russian experience, take a bus. Note, that the buses operate only from 5.40 until 24.00.[/QUOTE]
I heard we now have also a train from Sheremetievo which goes to Savelovskaya metro station. Probably it doesn't work in the night, as well as bus. They must have some info on their web-site if the train really exists.
I have read on this site from time to time requests of prospective mongers, perhaps unfamiliar with Moscow and its nightlife, for help and guidance. One of the best ways of securing help is, of course, to read this site ! The contributions provide a breadth and level of pragmatism which is truly awesome ! A good alternative, particularly when you are a little uncertain about venturing out at night alone, is to find somebody who knows the environment to show you around. This is easier said than done when contacts here are limited.
When I arrived in Moscow many months ago I had the good fortune to meet a guy who has been of great help. He is originally from the Cameroon but has been in Moscow a while and speaks good Russian, also perfect English and French. He has taken me out to a number of clubs and I found him to be well organised, reliable, very honest and very personable. He worked for a night club here and I know he has taken business men around the night spots many times so has real insider knowledge. He also has real ability to charm the women here so he is a great asset for any night out !
I like this guy personally and he could do with a little business hence my motivation to promote him like this. By Western standards, he charges very little, so if anybody is interesting in using him as a guide, please PM me and I will provide his contact details and answer any questions. He has also just created a website (still in beta-form!): [url]www.dreammoscownights.com[/url]
Hope this is useful, enjoy Moscow !
Thanks for the informative messages.
As I wrote in my previous posts, I have always preferred the irregular taxis in the city. Georgian and Gypsy drivers are too sharp.
Last time drivers at the airport looked too organized, and because of the cold weather I needed to accept to pay $55 to a jiguli(At least I arrived in one piece). In my previous visits I paid $40-45 for the transport and they drove new model Opel, Skoda,Toyota,Hundia and Yolga....
Any way, negotiating the price is always fun. I learned that ignoring some of the drivers might be an advantage to negotiate the price.
I don’t trust the agencies which pick you up from the airport. I had bad experiences. I even use irregular taxis to go the airport, I have never paid more than 1000 Rubles.
How about walking all the way right from the airport to the hotel ;)
Is that possible...a good way to know the routes and the people around.
Innovative method to save bucks ;)
The cost of living in moscow is increasing everyday...I was thinking how about I stay in one of the apartment's of the escorts :)....for sure most of the escorts live in the centre of the city and have decent apartments.
The obvious advantage includes, a live russian translator, security, low rent, free to come and go anytime, best of all N-number of companions allowed ;) day in and day out...no questions asked.
The big disadvantage is when her customers starts coming in :( ..is there any way to get around that ..
I will be in Moscow in a few weeks (for a weeks) and was hoping for some help. First, other then NF are there any other clubs recommended where pretty much all the girls are hot and available. I am looking for top quality and willing to pay a few dollars more to get it. After reading 109s strip club report it seems that there is alot of talent but are most the girls willing to leave?
I speak no russian and will try to pick up what I can but I definitely have more money then brains. I like places where you can talk to a girl make sure she seems fun (never can be sure) and go back to the hotel. As it is vacation I am hoping for all 8-10s. Any help will be greatl appreciated. I also promise to write daily descriptive reports on my adventures.
I was also planning on bringing a friend from India if we stick to clubs should we be xetra concerned about our safety. We don't plan to venture to far out we are only going for fun.
Anyone have any places/girls I should call?
Hello fellow mongers,
I have just arrived to Moscow for business, and will be lucky enough to stay 2 weeks.
My humble contribution to this forum: I have found this great site for renting appartments: they are small, but very well maintained, great service and quite flashy, centrally located, and they accept credit cards. Check out this well-done site: [url]http://www.apartmentres.com/en/apartments/moscow/[/url] - for the appartment where I am, close to Pushkinskaya, photos are real.
So problem of hotel friendli(un-)ness is sorted out. Just need to try the jacuzzi with a local now.
Because girls look gorgeous in the street (those Russians know how to dress… especially in summer), I need to look for some good GFE with young size (I know I can still seduce them… although money always helps…).
I did my RTFF (as a dedicated Forum Reader), and eliminated the rip-off (NF), the over-priced hostess and the massage – left with the following but maybe some of you can comment from their own experience:
- [url]www.dreammoscownights.com:[/url] an “nightclub” expert to show you the good places and serve as an introduction to locals… 10 pm to 6 am is $ 80; I suppose it’s not an hourly rate, and I don’t have to pay him too many overpriced drinks; that may be good introduction.
- Safari Lounge, 32 Ul. Pokrovka (M. Kitai-Gorod / Kurskaya): some Google exploration starting with Oh La La posted on this site – sounds cool strip club with students, entrance fee R 500, R 250 for a vodka, R 100 for lap dance and $ 100 for 30 minutes sex (not interested in that one, I prefer to try to take one out during weekend day, more fun – any chance for a decent fee?)
- [url]http://dating.omen.ru/love.pl?f=ushow&f_id=633382[/url] just an example posted by It Travel – seems good sponsorship for GFE, but Russian site is intimidating, what chance that they speak Russia? Well, $ 500 for a weekend seems good to me, I’ve read all your posts, and check with the Sales Manager working here for some help.
- [url]http://www.yourfantasy.ru/[/url] (Helena Moscow): some heated arguments with favorables and unfavorables opinions here, I see price of $ 250 overnight – confirmed? The girls are quite decent on the pics, even though accepting some mild photoshop.
- Boarhouse Chesterfield Doug & Marty’s ([url]http://www.boarhouse.ru/boarhouse/main.html[/url]): do I understand that this same cool-looking expat bar is full of average (but what is average in Moscow?) semi-pros which you may get for $ 250 average overnight. When do they start (don’t tell me they just come at 11 pm – I must work in the morning)?
- [url]www.redclub.com:[/url] catalogue on internet, but no idea on how to use it? Is it worth a try, or only super-pro’s?
- The Tochka, brillantly described by Doctor Skand ([url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445088&postcount=3427[/url]); ready to try if I find a funny business partner.
- MichaelGage best post: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=256344&postcount=1701[/url]
Gentlemen, nobody can say I didn’t do my RTFF part I think. Now, before I start putting this in practice, any recommendation?
Happy mongering and thanks in advance.
We'll I checked out Ooh La La strip joint/bordelo in Moscow and its was dead. No one there except me and a couple having dinner. About a dozen women, but all pretty skanky. I wasted 600 rubles entrance but left after 10 minutes, and this was around 11:30 pm. Jumped into a gypsy cab and asked to be taken to the reliable Safari Lounge. Driver says to me that Ooh La La is shit now. SF was hot as ever!
Driver told me that Rasputin is better.
Don't waste your time, cab fare or money at O-L-L.
Hey guys,
This is my first post here. I am travelling to Moscow for the 1st time for a few days from the 15th July. Wondering if any of you guys interested to meet up and party. It should be fun.
OK, so I gave Victoria some business and called her (yourfantasy.ru or sweet-dreams.ru) and she sent over Svetlana. She showed up half an hour late (3:30am), didn't even come close to the photo (showing a young 24 hard body) in fact was a droppy titted, fat butted woman, who spoke limited English. Demanded payment up front ($150 for 2 hrs) CBJ only and the main act was like trying to screw the Holland Tunnel (I couldn't get any traction and I ain't small in the girth department I'm told). After one shot, she got dressed and told me that she was leaving after 80 mins, claiming she showed up at 3:00am. After some debate, I kicked her out as she was demanding more funds to stay longer.
The next day I called Victoria and her comment was "Oh I've had trouble with Svetlana", well what the hell is she sending her out then? Offered to send another, Tamara, for 2-3 hrs for another $100. I'm soured by the whole experience with her agencies now. Not a single one looks like their photos and this one gave the crappiest service.
Buyers BEWARE!
Dear all,
I would also like to tell you about the dissapointments I have had with sweet-dreams.ru (Victoria).
The first time I used the service was about 6 months ago. I wanted to order one girl for an hour, but was offered by Victoria to take two girls for 200$ an hour. The first girl came 45 mins late and didn't know that there was a second girl on the way. The second girl was an additional 15 minutes (60 mins in total) late. Neither of the girls looked anything like the photos in the website. However, horny as I was, I didn't complain too much since I only wanted to start my "work-out" as soon as possible. I was so horny that I shot my first load in approx. 10 minutes. At this time the girls had been in my apartment for not more than 20 minutes in total. The girls told that they have to take a shower. 10 minutes later the girls come out of the bathroom fully clothed. I am totally stund and ask what is going on? The girls tell that Victoria had told them that the service only consists of one orgasm, since I paid only 200$ for one hour. This price was offered to me by Victoria, not asked by me! So I call Victoria and she tells me that "our services consist of 1 orgasm for 1 hour." I got so pissed of by this ripp-off that I just told the girls to leave.
I used the services of Victoria (don't ask me why) for the second time a month ago. I asked for a very petite, slim and young girl (Oksana, if I remember the name correctly), but the girl who rang my doorbell (45 mins late of course) was approx. 165 cm tall and weighted 60kg, so nothing like in the pictures in the website. I called Viktoria, but she insisted that the girl was the same as in the pictures. A big fat lie!
I know it is not nice to write this kind of negative report about a service provider, but however I think it is anyway fair to share this kind of info to fellow mongers.
Moscow is full of very pretty pros, so therefore I do not want anyone else to have negative experiences if they can be avoided.
(Sorry for the long post)
There is an apartment next to Pavlyetskaya station (Ulitsa Tatarskaya, next to Restaurant El Gaucho which serves the best steaks in Moscow by the way) where the selection of the girls was super!
Was there for the first time a week ago and could select from approx. 20 girls. Selected a gorgeus slim brunette who gave a great ride with all the positions. My favourite was doggy when I could watch us from the big mirror on the wall.
This is a place which I can recommed to anyone who has an extra one hour to spend for pleasure. It is also great place to drop in when going to Domodedovo Airport express train, since it is so close to the station.
The prices are from 2000 to 3000 RUB an hour depending on the girl.
Kalif,
very good to know, but what is the contact information? Is there a phone number or internet link you can share?
[QUOTE=Sexwithsmile]
- [url]http://www.yourfantasy.ru/[/url] (Helena Moscow): some heated arguments with favorables and unfavorables opinions here, I see price of $ 250 overnight – confirmed? The girls are quite decent on the pics, even though accepting some mild photoshop.
[/QUOTE]
Mistake ;).
Yourfantasy.ru is not my site, but Victoria's. My overnight price starts at 300$, not 250. My pictures are not photoshopped.
In the USA and in Western Europe, plus many other parts of the world, when a service or product provider such as yourself attacks the client, that means the client is correct in his statements and you have no defense other than your baseless cries.
It does seems from the many very similar posts from many different people that you provide a very bad service. And it seems that the client is always at fault, never you, never your ladies.
At this point, I am surprised that anyone would even call your agency or agencies. Next time I am in Moscow, I certainly won't.
Unfortunately you won't learn from your mistakes, since you seem not to understand that you are making serious mistakes in providing such a lousy service. Of course, it likely not matters to you since ripping off clients is a better and more effective way for you and your ladies to make a lot of easy money.
The word and concept of "good service" has yet to be translated into Russian or Ukrainian, unfortunately. It will certainly be a long time in coming.
Dear Victoria,
I will not even comment on your post. Just want to say that it is very unfortunate that you have to attack me personally with your baseless lies. However, if this is the way you want to go forward then it is your choice. We will let the people judge for themselves the comments of both of us. I, from my behalf, don't see fit to start this kind of correspondence.
Please also try to understand that this forum is established for people to exchange their experiences, good and bad ones.
Regarding the apartment in Pavlyetskaya. You can find the number from Dosug.nu when you search for escorts next to Metro Pavlyetskaya.
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]Again complain of fair service. Why you have not written the truth and all dialogue between us? Tell the truth as call to me at the nights from excitation and offer not the real prices 50 $. When the taxi at night in two ends manages 500 roubles. If service would be such bad for you, you would not call to me constantly and did not breathe in phone. If the girl has wanted to leave from you earlier for 30 minutes, it means it is necessary for me to call and complain? Constantly to me call, do not call to me then.
(yourfantasy.ru or sweet-dreams.ru) and she sent over Svetlana. She showed up half an hour late (3:30am), didn't even come close to the photo (showing a young 24 hard body) in fact was a droppy titted, fat butted woman, who spoke limited English. Demanded payment up front ($150 for 2 hrs) CBJ only and the main act was like trying to screw the Holland Tunnel (I couldn't get any traction and I ain't small in the girth department I'm told). After one shot, she got dressed and told me that she was leaving after 80 mins, claiming she showed up at 3:00am. After some debate, I kicked her out as she was demanding more funds to stay longer.
The next day I called Victoria and her comment was "Oh I've had trouble with Svetlana", well what the hell is she sending her out then? Offered to send another, Tamara, for 2-3 hrs for another $100. I'm soured by the whole experience with her agencies now. Not a single one looks like their photos and this one gave the crappiest service.
Buyers BEWARE![/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
V,
I did call, it was 04:40 am and YOU were not answering your phone. I tried several times before giving up and kicking her out! When you did answer was at 08:30am. And she wasn't leaving 30 minutes earlier, it was nearly an hour earlier. I don't know what you're babbling about regarding breathing in the phone or offering $50?
There are other agencies like escort-elitegirls.ru / sweet-pussycat.ru / diana-escort.ru / call-girls.ru / katrin-girls.ru / young-girls.ru, ect. that provide ladies that are actually depicted in the photos or a much more reasonable facsimile of the photo, that actually stay the full period agreed upon.
I strongly urge members to avoid your agencies.
Sorry, folks. Got mixed up. Thought that this reply from Victoria was for me.
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]Again complain of fair service. Why you have not written the truth and all dialogue between us? Tell the truth as call to me at the nights from excitation and offer not the real prices 50 $. When the taxi at night in two ends manages 500 roubles. If service would be such bad for you, you would not call to me constantly and did not breathe in phone. If the girl has wanted to leave from you earlier for 30 minutes, it means it is necessary for me to call and complain? Constantly to me call, do not call to me then.
(yourfantasy.ru or sweet-dreams.ru) and she sent over Svetlana. She showed up half an hour late (3:30am), didn't even come close to the photo (showing a young 24 hard body) in fact was a droppy titted, fat butted woman, who spoke limited English. Demanded payment up front ($150 for 2 hrs) CBJ only and the main act was like trying to screw the Holland Tunnel (I couldn't get any traction and I ain't small in the girth department I'm told). After one shot, she got dressed and told me that she was leaving after 80 mins, claiming she showed up at 3:00am. After some debate, I kicked her out as she was demanding more funds to stay longer.
The next day I called Victoria and her comment was "Oh I've had trouble with Svetlana", well what the hell is she sending her out then? Offered to send another, Tamara, for 2-3 hrs for another $100. I'm soured by the whole experience with her agencies now. Not a single one looks like their photos and this one gave the crappiest service.
Buyers BEWARE![/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Kalif,
You did not get mixed up.
Victoria replies to all mongers in the same way!
You are always wrong, she is always right.
Next time you want to use her agency's services, don't even bother to come to Moscow, just wire her the money! See it disappear into her bank account and watch yourself in a mirror in your own home getting screwed.
I would like to comment on Victoria as well.
I was in touch with her by email last month. She was very encouraging over the mails. I got in touch with her in the evening of 22nd June 2006, I dont know what her problem was, she was barkin mad on the phone. She told me not to call her again.
Imagine even before we had begun talking about a possible deal (may be lack of Spoken English was the problem)
Regards,
Sylvan
Uke Boy You rock....Im laughing my ass off :)
Quote "Next time you want to use her agency's services, don't even bother to come to Moscow, just wire her the money! See it disappear into her bank account and watch yourself in a mirror in your own home getting screwed"
BUT, you got to give it to vicky for her persistance in cheating and then subsequently denying any role AND what we think is the most informed forum on the internet on mongering, guys again and again and again..getting screwed by bad services as if making the ISG information useless of sorts..
It seems we mongers never learn.....If you go back to the forum posts..you will see mongers complaining left and right on bad services by vicky and her subsequent routine reaction....BUT no one wants to read the valuable info's by seniour mongers who had experienced it already...It seems we all are impatient enough to just spray our juices on the russian soil asap without doing the mandatory "DUE DILIGENCE".
Just Wait and watch ..... give it a month and let these pages go back to history and you will hear exactly sour mongers losing story about vicky's services....
Do not blame anyone for your bad taste......its like killing the very purpose of ISG..for all the info you got on mongering here ....getting caught in the bad net again and again is just the fault of our bad sense of approach.
my 2cents...
Less whining. More pictures people! Dammit, it is summer. Show me some of the local skirts!
I hate to jump into the middle of a war, but to provide another perspective, I think Victoria is an excellent example of YMMV. I was in Moscow two weeks ago. I contacted Victoria via PM prior to my visit and then called her when I was in town. We went out one evening and it was an excellent experience. I like the more mature women and Victoria was perfect fo my tastes. She offered to get me one of her younger girls if I didn't find her to my liking, but we really had a great time. I think if you treat the women with respect you will get great results in return. I will definately see Victoria again
On another note I also linked up with Raphael at dreammoscownights.com. He was very knowledgeable and we went to Boarhouse and I picked up a nice girl (Alona) for $200 overnight. She was probably a 7 or 8 with a 6 body. She had the worst boob job I have ever encountered. Good experience, but not the best. Raphael promised to take me to some salons that he knew about, but I got tied up at work and was not able to take him up on his offer. I would recommend him for any one that was a little uneasy about tackeling Moscow for the first time.
PM me if you want further details. Be careful out there...
Nick, it was nice of you to defend Victoria.
You may be the only one on this board who has actually fucked her. Congratulations.
Otherwise, she seems to fuck everyone else along with her Soviet attitude and the fact that everyone is wrong and she is right.
Perhaps you don't care to read or understand that everyone else has written about her and her ladies.
Perhaps if Victoria would answer the issues in a reasoned and reasonable way, she would not have these issues come up. Maybe if she knew what real customer service was all about then she would have many more customers.
She is on this board to stoke up business. If overall her business practices truly are abhorrent and horrendous as many maintain and as we can all read, then she should show everyone she is not the Wicked Witch of the East that she comes across as. It is entirely up to her and not to you that she must prove herself to us.
The purpose of this board is the good and the bad of mongering. So far, it is mostly bad from the opinions expressed about Victoria. You are a rare case indeed.
Dear friends, your discussion on Victoria's service really burns and amuses forum members, who read it. Write more!!!! Bad adverticement is also adverticement. I'm sure, Victoria is grateful to all of you ;))))))))))).
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Nick, it was nice of you to defend Victoria.
Perhaps you don't care to read or understand that everyone else has written about her and her ladies.
The purpose of this board is the good and the bad of mongering. So far, it is mostly bad from the opinions expressed about Victoria. You are a rare case indeed.[/QUOTE]
Uke,
Thanks for your comments, my intention was to provide another perspective, not to "defend her or her business practices". The main point of my post was in this hobby YMMV. I have read the other posts on Victoria both before and after I saw her. I do respect others opinions. I have been with other providers that get raving reviews and my experience was just so-so. Again YMMV.
Like you said the purpose of the board is the "good and the bad of mongering" because it is a business dealing with people almost everyone's experience will be different, that is the "challenge" in the sport, it certainly isn't whether you will get laid...
Take care and be careful out there!
some of you guys may recall i was seeking information and help on scene in moscow for a visit there last month. here is my report.
i had contacted on line one of the guides (legitimate) listed – a girl called daria. she turned out to be pleasant surprise in many respect and was really useful person to have around in the english unfriendly areas of moscow.
moscow had many surprises.
the hotel rooms were the first one. on check in i am told that majority of their rooms are non a/c and i had booked for a non a/c room (my mistake as i had not double checked while booking) fortunately the intourist through whom i had booked my room had a desk in the hotel and they conveniently had an a/c room free. pay additional amount required and i had an a/c room finally.
after all the legitimate business of the day i was dropped back to the hotel by the guide. while returning my eyes caught a leaflet of admiral strip club, loccated in the alpha block of the izmailiov complex. excellent eye candy with the usual rub 100/- for the lap dances and rub 1,500.00 for private sessions of 20 minutes. good ambiance and foot ball on big screen made my day so was the cutie marsha. excellent english and she said that they don’t do out of premises visits at all.
came back to the hotel by about 2.00 am feeling gorgy with the lack of sleep in the plane the previous night but still a kind of horny even after a session with marsha at the club.
may be security chap at the tower a of the gamma block sensed my horny ness and as i was getting in to the lift came and whispered the magical words in my ears. suddenly i was all attention. he said if i am interested about 6 girls will come to my room and i can select the ones i like. damages rub 4,000.00 until 6.00 am next day. (he started at rub 5000). i agree and go to my room.
with in 10 minutes there was a discreet knock on my door and the peephole reveals a huge security guard (a different one). my heart skipped a beat. summing up all my courage i open the door. he marches in with 6 girls in tow. ranging from blondes to blacks and of different sizes and descriptions. each between 6-8 on a scale of 10. i made my choice,
the girl turned out to be cute (baby faced ukrainian brunette) and enthusiastic in every respect. we had our own sessions with my balls and stick between watching the world cup, which was her favorite sports as well. good english as well.
she told me that her group was at the call of the security guys (the security guy took the money as soon as i made my choice and seeing my reluctance at that point told me in his broken english that things would be really fine. the next day night at around 11.00 pm as i was coming back from the lobby of delta block – where the money changer was- i saw all the six girls including my cutie lounging about in different sets mingling with legitimate tourist and guests. the cutie came up to me and offered a repeat session (which i had to decline as my local friend was waiting outside to take me on a round of other areas in moscow).
that night was spent strip club hopping and ending up at night flight around 2.30 am. there i was “kidnapped” by a petit blonde, who generously offered her apartment as well in the deal. damage being rub 6,000.00. i woke up at her place at around noon. very satisfied and with the pleasure of having spent the night with a “true” blonde.
that was moscow. though terribly expensive (at around usd 400-500/day) the girls i think lead in the looks department when compared to other p4p areas of the world.
helena was out of town on my visit hence, could not meet her. as previously posted it was really a shitty telephone response from victoria (despite having emailed her well n advance)
guys, while booking make sure you are booking an a./c room. the days i was there moscow temperatures were as high as 38 c and could have been really lousy in a non a/c room.
will i be back – only time will tell.
regards
[b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.[/blue]
I'm thinking of visiting Moscow later this year and checking out tochkas. As I have understood things from the reports here it is best to communicate my requirements to the mamatchka (?) while the girl is listening to avoid any misunderstandings later on.
So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):
"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."
"Are you shaved?"
And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.
For lovers of large natural and truly perfect breasts you could go a lot worse than Vlada. Very slim and petite with a mega outsize rack.
[url]http://www.pikant.ru/anketa.php?id=559[/url]
I've met her three times now and it has got better each time. She brought a ropy ginger mate with her a couple of nights ago and we had a 3-way but tbh she was better by herself.
Initially did not want to do BBJ/DFK but was easily encouraged to change her mind. And a great fuck once she gets going.
Interested in hearing other mongers tips around the world for great large naturals. Especially interested in tips for Brazil.
[QUOTE=Billyrayjim]N.
So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):
"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."
"Are you shaved?"
And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.[/QUOTE]That's a lot of phrases to say if you do not know any Russian yet, and hard to learn from a computer screen. But I can tell you that the girls will always take a shower, ask you take a shower also, so it is quite esy to take one with her.
An article from Moscow based Exile with a supposed "Elite" daughter of a new Russian. She says in it that some of the girls at the MGIMO, MGU University, (Two of their Ivy League equivalents), sometimes work the Tochki for fun and excitement. Link if the board rules allow is [url]http://www.exile.ru/2006-June-29/interview_with_a_dyev-pire.html[/url]
Exile isn't the best magazine for accuracy, but the words in the interview remind me so much of the children of the Elite that I have met, so it might just be true.
[QUOTE=Tommasini]Less whining. More pictures people! Dammit, it is summer. Show me some of the local skirts![/QUOTE]A couple of photos of girls from my last trip.
I haven't written much about Victoria because I saw her almost 2 years ago. But when I did, I thought that she was a great provider. Not exactly my type, but the girl she brought along was, and I had quite a wonderful time with that girl for the rest of the evening. So again, for what it's worth, I had a really wonderful time with her service and I would recommend her. But now a question for Victoria and Helen: with a situation where the girl that shows up and isn't what you'd expected or wanted, what's the "best" way to work out that situation then and there? Any comments, Victoria (love you, baby) or Helena (want to love you, baby ;-) )?
Binky
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Dear friends, your discussion on Victoria's service really burns and amuses forum members, who read it. Write more!!!! Bad adverticement is also adverticement. I'm sure, Victoria is grateful to all of you ;))))))))))).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Synombinky] But now a question for Victoria and Helen: with a situation where the girl that shows up and isn't what you'd expected or wanted, what's the "best" way to work out that situation then and there? Any comments, Victoria (love you, baby) or Helena (want to love you, baby ;-) )?
Binky[/QUOTE]
If you don't like the girl send her out and don't pay. If you kept her, don't complain =)).
[QUOTE=Billyrayjim]
So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):
"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."
"Are you shaved?"
And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure if anyone has posted this before, but there is a great book called Dermo!: The Real Russian Tolstoy Never Used, that can be gotten on Amazon. It has a section for talking to prostitutes and another section for romantic phrases.
There is one pre-Revolutionary war word Maya Dushinka( My Little Soul) that I am not sure is in this book. When I have used it with a professional she has always become much nicer and smiling. It is an extremely old and elegant word that even Russian men do not use much anymore.
To Rat Reno:
“There is one pre-Revolutionary war word Maya Dushinka( My Little Soul) that I am not sure is in this book. When I have used it with a professional she has always become much nicer and smiling. It is an extremely old and elegant word that even Russian men do not use much anymore”. – I think you have a very limited knowledge of Russian men =))). Their vocabulary is not poorer than foreigners. We all know this wonderful story by Anthon Chekhov. After this story the word “dushinka” got an additional meaning of “a woman with no personality, who lives the life of her man, not her own”. Some women can be offended by such a compliment. I think foreigners should use Russian words more carefully.
To Victoria:
“If want good sex sometimes remember that near to you not a rubber doll and then you will be completely satisfied”. – Very useful comment. Guys, please, remember, we are not Rubber dolls, and also not desperate “dushechkas” waiting for their prince. Most of Russian escorts are very strong-willed women with brilliant education and decent income. We all have hearts and brains. Not just the bodys.
To Vince:
”Be a gentleman pay her the taxi”. – Vince, you are becoming my hero ;).
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]To Rat Reno:
“Their vocabulary is not poorer than foreigners. We all know this wonderful story by Anthon Chekhov. After this story the word “dushinka” got an additional meaning of “a woman with no personality, who lives the life of her man, not her own”. Some women can be offended by such a compliment. I think foreigners should use Russian words more carefully.
Dear Helena, Sorry for the misunderstanding-Please forgive me if I implied that Russian men do not know the word, I said only that it is an old word not used very often anymore. Russian men can give the best compliments in the world. I know the etymology very well and I know that some women do not like it, but in my experience the vast majority of the women appreciated the compliment, and I have used it many times. A well known Russian Professor of Literature that I know likes to tell his class how the meaning has changed over the years from when Nobles would call waitresses Dushinka, and now it has an older more evolved definition. My girlfriend likes this word very much and she is a rather educated and cultured woman.
It is like the word Kralya, which I never use, one of my secretaries who told me about the word says she is complimented when a man calls her that but my other secretary says she would slap the man who called her that. Compliments should be chosen carefully for each women. But I have used the word dushinka a few times with good results.
But for those not interested in etymology, just giving compliments to a Russian girl a safer word perhaps is Lyedushka, which is comparing a woman
to an elegant swan, or Lebed Tsaritsa, Swan Queen.
But if I ever meet you Helena I would be happy to call you Awchen Krasiva e Elegante Lady and not call you Dushinka.
But I never had a bad result from giving a professional a compliment in Russian, it made her smile and open up more. I think it is just the effort that counts.
Prestit Menya Helena
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow] Guys, please, remember, we are not Rubber dolls, and also not desperate “dushechkas” waiting for their prince. Most of Russian escorts are very strong-willed women with brilliant education and decent income. We all have hearts and brains. Not just the bodys.;).[/QUOTE]
Dear Helena, I couldn't agree more. There are no women in the wolrd that can compare to the women of Kiev-Rus and you are proof of that.
[QUOTE=Pat Reno][QUOTE=Helena Moscow]To Rat Reno:
“Their vocabulary is not poorer than foreigners. We all know this wonderful story by Anthon Chekhov. After this story the word “dushinka” got an additional meaning of “a woman with no personality, who lives the life of her man, not her own”. Some women can be offended by such a compliment. I think foreigners should use Russian words more carefully.
Dear Helena, Sorry for the misunderstanding-Please forgive me if I implied that Russian men do not know the word, I said only that it is an old word not used very often anymore. Russian men can give the best compliments in the world. I know the etymology very well and I know that some women do not like it, but in my experience the vast majority of the women appreciated the compliment, and I have used it many times. A well known Russian Professor of Literature that I know likes to tell his class how the meaning has changed over the years from when Nobles would call waitresses Dushinka, and now it has an older more evolved definition. My girlfriend likes this word very much and she is a rather educated and cultured woman.
It is like the word Kralya, which I never use, one of my secretaries who told me about the word says she is complimented when a man calls her that but my other secretary says she would slap the man who called her that. Compliments should be chosen carefully for each women. But I have used the word a few times with good results.
But for those not interested in etymology, just giving compliments to a Russian girl a safer word perhaps is Lyedushka, which is comparing a woman
to an elegant swan, or Lebed Tsaritsa, Swan Queen.
But if I ever meet you Helena I would be happy to call you Awchen Krasiva e Elegante Lady and not call you Dushinka.
But I never had a bad result from giving a professional a compliment in Russian, it made her smile and open up more. I think it is just the effort that counts.
Prestit Menya Helena[/QUOTE]
Pat,
After reading your post this morning I sent an sms to my polish girlfriend saying "moja dusza", got a big smiley back, works there as well. Thanks, even sounds nice to my untrained ears.
Now what is the english for Kralya ?
V.
To Rat Reno:
Rat, there is nothing to apologise for, it's just a discussion, not a court or something serious. Of course, Russians appreciate the efforts of foreigners to learn our language. Just sometimes communication can be ruined by using words carelessly. It often happens that men hear some word from friends and think it's normal, and then use it with a girl and the girl is upset. Especially jargon or old-fasioned words. Sometimes even "privet" said in a wrong moment can drive a girl crazy. Sure, escorts smile in any case if it's not extreme. And people are different. For some effort is more important then result. I'm glad that your experience was good.
But may you tell me how we can find a toshka in Moscou?
Is there any adress to know?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Billyrayjim]I'm thinking of visiting Moscow later this year and checking out tochkas. As I have understood things from the reports here it is best to communicate my requirements to the mamatchka (?) while the girl is listening to avoid any misunderstandings later on.
So, here are some things I'd like to say (preferably in a fitting, polite and unequivocal phrasing):
"I require showering together, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, anal and overnight."
"Are you shaved?"
And any other phrases or responses I can expect to hear.[/QUOTE]
remy,
Just have a look at Dr Skank's summary:
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445088&postcount=3427[/url]
If you want to know more, just do a "search". There are tons of posts about tochkas, including picture courtesy of CA_Traveler in this thread.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Sometimes even "privet" said in a wrong moment can drive a girl crazy.[/QUOTE]
Now, Helena, you are worrying me to death! I always say "privet" because I never manage to pronounce "zdravstvujte" correctly :(. In which situation am I in danger if I say "privet" to a girl ;)?
Giving it further thoughts, maybe I should stick with "zdravstvujte" from now on, if you think it's a safe word to say. It always makes the girl rolling on the floor laughing when I try to say it :D.
Jim
[QUOTE=GandJim]Now, Helena, you are worrying me to death! I always say "privet" because I never manage to pronounce "zdravstvujte" correctly :(. In which situation am I in danger if I say "privet" to a girl ;)?
Jim[/QUOTE]
For ex. when someone unknown calls me on the phone and says "privet", I get crazy. Because "privet" is to be said between friends, not between strangers. It's like crossing the borders without permission. I get espesially crazy when foreigners use Russian sleng words to discribe sexual actions and parts of the body. Compliments in Russian can leave a dirty feeling if they are made by a man who knows nothing in Russian besides a couple of compliments. It gives you impression that they were learned on purpose and said to every girl, mechanically, no matter how good or bad she is. Sure, if you have good connection with a girl and learn something special to please her, it's another thing. Now many foreing men speak really good Russian, which is pleasant and comfortable.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]To Rat Reno:
Rat, there is nothing to apologise for, it's just a discussion, not a court or something serious. Of course, Russians appreciate the efforts of foreigners to learn our language. Just sometimes communication can be ruined by using words carelessly. It often happens that men hear some word from friends and think it's normal, and then use it with a girl and the girl is upset. Especially jargon or old-fasioned words. Sometimes even "privet" said in a wrong moment can drive a girl crazy. Sure, escorts smile in any case if it's not extreme. And people are different. For some effort is more important then result. I'm glad that your experience was good.[/QUOTE]
Dear Helena, The first time I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you simply mistyped my name. While using an old elegant Russian word can be out of place, or used incorrectly, it is plain insulting to call someone a Rat for no good reason at all.
In my business experience saying Dobre Din, Vycher, Utra is the best option for being easier to pronounce for Americans then Zrastvuitye. Because Privyet is deifnatley informal and intimate. It is the difference of knowing a girl as Svetlana
Pyetrovna, Svetlana, and Sveta.
[QUOTE=Vandalnn][QUOTE=Pat Reno]
Pat,
After reading your post this morning I sent an sms to my polish girlfriend saying "moja dusza", got a big smiley back, works there as well. Thanks, even sounds nice to my untrained ears.
Now what is the english for Kralya ?
V.[/QUOTE]
Hello V, Kralya is slang for beauty, but it is considered very uncultured. I never use it, but some women like it. Just like in English how some women react differently to compliments or words used. Another word I like to use when I meet a really beautiful women I want to give a compliment to is Krocotka, which means literally a really beautiful woman in the dictionary.
Thanks Pat (see, no mistake made),
Interesting, can not find an immediate polish equivalent, but will be there next week and ask.
V.
[QUOTE=Pat Reno][QUOTE=Vandalnn]
Hello V, Kralya is slang for beauty, but it is considered very uncultured. I never use it, but some women like it. Just like in English how some women react differently to compliments or words used. Another word I like to use when I meet a really beautiful women I want to give a compliment to is Krocotka, which means literally a really beautiful woman in the dictionary.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pat Reno]Dear Helena, The first time I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you simply mistyped my name. While using an old elegant Russian word can be out of place, or used incorrectly, it is plain insulting to call someone a Rat for no good reason at all.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, Pat. Really sorry. I made mistake ones, and then remembered your name wrongly. And I was even surprised, why you took such a strange nick. I promise never to make this mistake again. Please, forgive me.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]I'm sorry, Pat. Really sorry. I made mistake ones, and then remembered your name wrongly. And I was even surprised, why you took such a strange nick. I promise never to make this mistake again. Please, forgive me.[/QUOTE]
Dear Helena, Eta niechiwa. Just when it happened a third time I was unsure if it was a mistake. Thanks for all the great input you give the board.
[QUOTE=Vandalnn]Thanks Pat (see, no mistake made),
Interesting, can not find an immediate polish equivalent, but will be there next week and ask.
V.
[QUOTE=Pat Reno][/QUOTE]
Hello V., I knew a Polish/Ukrainian escort once that I saw a few times in Toronto, and she told me a joke using the word Kralya, so maybe they will understand it in Poland.
GJ,
If you can't quite get your mouth around "zdravstvooitye", you might try the shorter version, "zdravsti". It's a little more formal than "privyet" and is a form of greeting that is acceptable among strangers meeting for the first time, in an informal situation, like at Night Flight. :)
Or, you might try "privyetsvooyoo", the formal form of "privyet".
Using the time of day as a greeting is always simple and safe;
Dobrie OO-trah (morning)
Dobrie Dyen (afternoon)
Dobre Vyeacher (evening)
Of course, if you ever have a chance to meet with Gospadin Putin at the Kremlin, then you definately want to say "zdravstvooitye".
So, best start practicing now!
I have some questions about Toshka.
How we can find a Toshka in Moscow?
What time is the best to go?
If it is easy to take a girl to hotel in Moscow?
And what's the price?
Thanks
I am really trying to duplicate what you guys do overseas with college girls in the US. But I can't wait because time is flying. So I try to leave the States 3 times a year to chase pussy. I am now planning a trip to Moscow. I know this has been covered before but I don't feel like searching.
1. Please recommend apartments and hotels. I think some apartments are run by members on this forum.
2. I am considering St. Petersburg over Moscow but remember rumors that the escorts are unregulated and there are more HIV+ girls running around in St. Petersburg. Your opinions please?
3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?
4. What do you guys think about Sweden as a destination? I know there are not a lot of escorts but I am running into a lot of liberal Europeans lately. Is it possible that you can get some action in Sweden with a girl you meet at a nightclub? The Swedes seem very progressive. It is hard to compare anything to the US or Toronto because the Americans and the Anglo-Canadians are so fucking fat and sexually repressed and old.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Guy #2] I am now planning a trip to Moscow. I know this has been covered before but I don't feel like searching.[/QUOTE]If you don't feel like searching for your own benefit, what makes you think others are going to feel like repeating what they have written before?
Speaking as a freeloader (someone who gets a hell of a lot more out of this site than I have been able to contribute thus far) we have to careful not to abuse the good nature of those who have so much valuable information to share. So, RTFF, as the saying goes, or at least try to pose new and interesting questions, and you may be able to entice one of the experts into answering.
GT
As written before in this forum I was liking to get a sponsorship to a girl… found on [url]www.omen.ru[/url]. I chased several, lots of mails and then I met in February Sveta, a chubby 20 y.o. blondinka. She was exactly what I was looking for: simple girl, seeking for fun and money, and, how shall I say, for once It was enough with skinny ones, I would like a chubby nearly teen (20 years filled just a couple of weeks before our meeting in July!)
I booked a nice room with the name of both. I I got her sponsored for three days, from Friday to Monday.
She arrived with new clothes (juts brought) and we checked in (I was there since a couple of hours and she arriving from work).
After some drink we went to a restaurant (sushi of course) where I could see really this nearly BBW youngster. 173 cm and 75 kg, soft and hard, and really in to sex. No cellulites at all! Just flesh!
We went to the room after some time and there some surprise was starting…
First, in summer she said, she was not wearing pants (!): pussy had to be “ventilated”. And as soon as you started touching her anywhere she become wet, really wet, with huge erected nipples!
In our sex agreements only two things became a NO NO NO. Anal and completely naked or “sexual” pictures.
She started a BBBJ and jus after some seconds wanted to be fucked. It was just 10 pm so a long session started. But the best was the beginning after a long fuck in all positions I was nearly to come. She just took off the condom and started to suck it and was going on even after several shots in her mouth… after a couple of minutes (my cock was really soft and tired) she left it. Obviously she had been swallowing everything.
The real climax was when se was just laying with her head on my chest telling only one word (by the way her English is not bad at all): tasty! I have to say that in the next nights and days she had to drink a lot of shots… and even when I was trying a facial just a second before she grabbed it and started sucking it like a vacuum pump!
I was fucking her in the morning, after lunch, and before and after dinner (some 50 mg Viagra here and there in these days!). All the times the response was incredible, specially when she was riding cowgirl. I think she can get there and ride for hours. By the way she will use part of the money for real horse riding lessons…
She was not asking for presents or whatever, we just got food and some small stuff, and drinks and, of course some city tour (no disco or expensive restaurant). The most on the extra budget was on Viagra and condoms!
The total damage, for her, was 15.000 RUR surely much less than 1000 RUR per shot!
At the end of this long weekend I just thought to call her “Piggy no pants”, both on ground of the body and the attitude and… she was not wearing them.
Of course not a model, or a too mongers compromised girl, but nice, willing, and always ready to be fucked.
On ground se was advertising on [url]www.omen.ru[/url] and she is not doing it anymore I will not disclose her telephone or her e-mail… She asked so... But you can see some pictures in the pics section.
[quote=sylvan59]some of you guys may recall i was seeking information and help on scene in moscow for a visit there last month. here is my report.
may be security chap at the tower a of the gamma block sensed my horny ness and as i was getting in to the lift came and whispered the magical words in my ears. suddenly i was all attention. he said if i am interested about 6 girls will come to my room and i can select the ones i like. damages rub 4,000.00 until 6.00 am next day. (he started at rub 5000). i agree and go to my room.
with in 10 minutes there was a discreet knock on my door and the peephole reveals a huge security guard (a different one). my heart skipped a beat. summing up all my courage i open the door. he marches in with 6 girls in tow. ranging from blondes to blacks and of different sizes and descriptions. each between 6-8 on a scale of 10. i made my choice,
the girl turned out to be cute (baby faced ukrainian brunette) and enthusiastic in every respect. we had our own sessions with my balls and stick between watching the world cup, which was her favorite sports as well. good english as well.
[b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.[/blue][/quote]
sorry for beeing so late.
despite i have been going a lot of times to izmailovo i never went to the alpha admiral night club, i do not like the system as i told, just look and be horny….
often the security guys in the delta-gamma lobby are providing girls, specially if the night was so so for them (they get a part of the money). but i think we were in the hotel in the same period… i left on july 12th. the girls i see in the lobby are regulars since years. no turnover, i tried once a double with two of them, a chubby ukrainian and another one for 100 usd one and a half hour (but at 2 am).
generally i think these girls are around 5/6 not more with a couple of exception but 5000 for four hours, when they should “close” and go to bed is normal price.
good luck for next time! i usually provide mine girls from outside the hotel.
it
Of course after a No No No Anal girl, but with fantastic CIM and Swallowing (always!) ;) I was very horny on Anal so I rented Diana for a long night, from afternoon to late moring for a only Anal session (no fucking!) just nailing her little service entrance. :) :)
Story and amateur details in Anal section… Just some pics here in the pic section. :)
IT
I hope to find one, or Kazak/Kyrg if anybody knows of any working girls or where I might find one from there.
Answer the question or shut the fuck up. This is a site for chasing pussy. If you wanted a fucking country club, go play golf in Atlanta. If they don't want to answer any questions, fuck them. But don't tell a guy about your fucking code of conduct, *****.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]If you don't feel like searching for your own benefit, what makes you think others are going to feel like repeating what they have written before?
Speaking as a freeloader (someone who gets a hell of a lot more out of this site than I have been able to contribute thus far) we have to careful not to abuse the good nature of those who have so much valuable information to share. So, RTFF, as the saying goes, or at least try to pose new and interesting questions, and you may be able to entice one of the experts into answering.
GT[/QUOTE]
Gee GUY - rarely would I tell someone RTFF... (as bluntly as that) You have what 227 posts?
And by your own admission you don't want to to search.
#1 is out there - just go search (that one might take what, a minute?, to do the site search)
#2 is an opinion (don't remember seeing anything about it as a comparison, though)
#3 is new info - never heard of the products myself
It might have helped if you had worded it the original "request" a bit differently - but you would find that with hostile responses, the probability of having a "non-nasty" response in turn is significantly diminished
(this is from someone who mostly does southeast Asia and just browses the Russia forum)
dear guy
1. i’ll just answer the question… use your mouse and click on my internet reports, you’ll find thousands of girls…
2. hotels… sorry but moscow is not montreal… the hotels are more beautiful and more expensive, same for restaurants (i.e. national, metropol, kempinski or, for restaurants, central house of writers, kiteg’ on ul. petrovka, or… the mirror hall in yar?).
3. what hell are oralsure and oralquick? some kind of machines? or som kind of strange sex? p.s. you are going to bed with women, perhaps teens even if they are *****s! and you have to respect them!
4. ahhh. sweden as a sex vacation destination… (: it is exactly like going to iran for an “alcoholic weekend” as they say in russia. pure shit!
sorry i’m not use to write in this hard words, but, first of all english is not my native tongue; second, it seems from the records that the only correspondences from guy are from montreal with: “do not go there” … “do not do this” … can we have suggestions of some other place ?
by the way i can ensure you that i am not running a flat company in moscow, i am not on the pay bill of izmailovo hotel (but i get discounts), i do not get free sex from valentina or other reported girls. so as dinghy is correctly saying find your reports. it takes not more than one or two minutes!!!
ore you are to lazy to use your mouse and your keyboard? yes this is a site for chasing pussy… you have already been censored (i approve completely) by the admin. please try to post something useful (not just 200 and more of question and critics).
please answer….
it
i suppose that most of the forum readers are approving.
by the way thre are a couples of your text i’ll paste here…
"if you are fucking a $10 ***** in cambodia, you are probably not fucking a hot girl. you are probably scraping the bottom of the barrel. take a look at all the white guys in the us with asian wives. they always look like a chinese crack ***** from an amp. same with black guys and white chicks--the girls always look like white trash.
it is not about quantity. it is about quality. you can fuck 100 ukranian chicks, but if they are all dogs, well that's like me fucking 100 trailer trash bitches from kentucky and saying i fucked an all american.
no that doesn't count. that is why i hate it when people cover up the faces. a body part doesn't count if she needs a bag over her head. and if you are paying her $300 for 3 hours, which is nearly the same rate in the western world, then you are a fucking idiot for traveling halfway around the world to one of the most expensive and ripoff city in the world to fuck something at the same costs as what is available in your backyard."
and most of all:
"1. i believe you but here is what i do not understand. why are these young freebies putting out if you speakl fluent russian? it can't be because they expect to meet a westerner and get a green card. it can't be because they think a russian man who makes 40 a month has a lot of month. it can't be because they think everyone is an oligarch. is it because of your looks? personality? confidence?"
if you really belive tat russian men are making 40 usd a month, it’s better that first you go to russia (you have never been there, second that you learn reading and accounting… you know money counting!)
Sorry Guy, Dinghy I ask for your comprehension…
There is not only a green card in the world (there is also a Shenghen Visa, by the way). If you are a Russian businessman abroad this means a lot, probably (90%) that you are earning at least five times what your Westerner (I take EU and US) counterpart is doing… by the way the RGD (РЖД, if you are Russian. The Russian State Railways) managers have Audi A8 or Porsche Cayenne service cars (!), and netto earnings around 50.000 USD (I mean a month, not a year! Just look at the villas!). Other companies like Gazprom are even more generous!
I would like to understand why you are so angry against all… I’ve just posted links with telephone and pics… go there… As all the others did... I mean posting links and evaluations.
I had a hard discussion with Americans on the different way of life interpreting of we Europeans, but I never sent somebody to fuck off! It was a hard and coorect discussion and then I left.
I JUST THINK THAT WE DO NOT NEED YOUR REPORTS HERE.
If you want to read it’s free…
IT
Hi All:
Well I am finally going to moscow this fall. I am really looking forward to taking advantage, more ways than one.
I have been reading up and it seems that if a poor smuck like me doesn't speak any Russian, the mongering seems limited to NF, CF or other such venues. tochkas seem to be a stretch at best. Any thoughts or suggestions for a non Russian speaker.
Also, one additional question, I am considering hiring a driver. Any suggestions on who can be trusted?
Thanks!
AHT169
[QUOTE=Horny29]I hope to find one, or Kazak/Kyrg if anybody knows of any working girls or where I might find one from there. Uzbek girls in Moscow.....[/QUOTE]
Horny 29- In Kazan and in Perm I saw at least one Uzbek girl in every other line up. But I once had a night with a Blonde Uzbek from the Leningradskaya Hotel near the train station. But you can always tell them that you want an Uzbek girl, I'm sure there are plenty working in Moscow, but maybe I'm wrong. Pat
[QUOTE=aht169]Hi All:
Well I am finally going to moscow this fall. I am really looking forward to taking advantage, more ways than one.
I have been reading up and it seems that if a poor smuck like me doesn't speak any Russian, the mongering seems limited to NF, CF or other such venues. tochkas seem to be a stretch at best. Any thoughts or suggestions for a non Russian speaker.
Also, one additional question, I am considering hiring a driver. Any suggestions on who can be trusted?
Thanks!
AHT169[/QUOTE]
AHT 169- I really don't think you should worry about going to a Tochka without good Russian skills, especially if you have a driver. Just have a Russian phrase book and repeat the phrase I want to go to_____, and add the word Tochka. Once there all you have to do is point and the Mommachka will tell you how much. She will try asking you how much you want to pay first to separate the girls, but if you don't understand you can just shrug your shoulders and she will know how to handle the situation. She will probably use her cell phone to indicate the amount for the girl you want. Think of it as a fun adventure. Of course it is better if you speak some basic Russian, but I think you can still have fun, especially if you have a driver to help you, just give him a tip in his hand when you ask him to find you a Tochka so he will take better care of you, walk you through the process. For drivers, I use [url]www.gotoru.com[/url], They are not the cheapest option, but the drivers always are reliable in my opinion. Hope this encourages you to give the Tochki a try. Pat
[QUOTE=Guy #2]
3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
For those who asked, these are oral HIV antibody tests sold over the counter. I do not think they are available in Moscow yet, never saw them, but if there was a place that would it would be the drug store (Apteka) on Tverskaya Street near the Kremlin and the MCDonalds, I found it to be one of the most modern Apteki in Central Moscow. Some staff speak limited English. Pat
Guy2:
Just some comments on your recent enquiry. Personally, even if I find some of your posts to be off target or over the top, I also agree with a lot of what you write. For example, I question the wisdom of some average-earning Joes spending $$$$ to fly to expensive EE cities only to discover that even mid-level sex is expensive there so they end up having to go cheap and end up only banging low-end EE chicks.. they really could do just as well or better elsewhere for a lot less. As always, research pays dividends.
But anyway, to your enquiry:
"1. Please recommend apartments and hotels. I think some apartments are run by members on this forum."
A hotel I recommend in terms of "flash factor" is the SwissOtel Krasnye Holmy. Nicest hotel in Moscow right now... but at a price. Expect to pay about $400+/night. Only bad thing is the location, although technically central, it is on an island and you are not able to walk anywhere comfortably from there and will have to use taxi.
A very nice centrally-located hotel is the equally flashy Hotel Hyatt Ararat, also at least $400/night but within walking distance of many clubs etc.
Two interesting locally-operated hotels are Hotel Budapest (great location in the very center of tourist activities) and Hotel Tiflis (also central, but in a less-touristy part of town).
Both are fairly modern and a bit cheaper than the major Western hotels and average $250+/night for rooms. Space is limited, so book well in advance if you go with either of these girl-friendly options.
[url]www.hotel-budapest.ru[/url]
[url]www.hoteltiflis.com[/url]
None of the current apartment agencies are being run by forum members, however some are "western-run". ISG legend Ca_Traveller DID set up [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url], an agency which works quite well and is now being run by a different American and long-time Moscow resident, Rick. Ca_T however is now in Odessa living it up and running his new agency [url]www.odessaexecutivesuites.com[/url]. Expect to pay about $150+ for an apartment in Moscow.
"2. I am considering St. Petersburg over Moscow but remember rumors that the escorts are unregulated and there are more HIV+ girls running around in St. Petersburg. Your opinions please?"
I doubt that there is any higher prevalence of HIV among Pitr-based pros. Most HIV cases are among drug users and pros working the highways etc. Chances are, you'll never be exposed to this "bottom-feeding" level of prostitution if you go to the regular pickup bars and agencies. In any case, condom use is nearly 100% among pros in the mid to upper-tier circles.
"3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?"
I have yet to see these products in Russia but would certainly welcome their arrival.
"4. What do you guys think about Sweden as a destination? I know there are not a lot of escorts but I am running into a lot of liberal Europeans lately. Is it possible that you can get some action in Sweden with a girl you meet at a nightclub? The Swedes seem very progressive. It is hard to compare anything to the US or Toronto because the Americans and the Anglo-Canadians are so fucking fat and sexually repressed and old."
Swedes are quite open sexually. I am not a Sweden expert at all, however based on what I have read and been told first hand by Sweden regulars is that it is quite easy to score freebies in Sweden if you have decent "game". The pro scene sucks, with the femnazi movement in full swing in otherwise sexually liberal Sverige. A big advantage is that everybody speaks English... which is not the case in EE.
[QUOTE=Pat Reno]For those who asked, these are oral HIV antibody tests sold over the counter. I do not think they are available in Moscow yet, never saw them, but if there was a place that would it would be the drug store (Apteka) on Tverskaya Street near the Kremlin and the MCDonalds, I found it to be one of the most modern Apteki in Central Moscow. Some staff speak limited English. Pat[/QUOTE]
Pat, do you mean they invented some progressive way to test for HIV? I never heard about this, think in Moscow these tests are really not available (otherwise, I guess, my doc would give them to me instead of making holes in the arm each time I need my tests done). How much these oral tests can cost? Is it possible to bring then over? Which country did you see them? Thanks a lot for your answer, friend ;).
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Guy2:
A hotel I recommend in terms of "flash factor" is the SwissOtel Krasnye Holmy. Nicest hotel in Moscow right now... but at a price. Expect to pay about $400+/night. Only bad thing is the location, although technically central, it is on an island and you are not able to walk anywhere comfortably from there and will have to use taxi.
A very nice centrally-located hotel is the equally flashy Hotel Hyatt Ararat, also at least $400/night but within walking distance of many clubs etc.
Two interesting locally-operated hotels are Hotel Budapest (great location in the very center of tourist activities) and Hotel Tiflis (also central, but in a less-touristy part of town).
Both are fairly modern and a bit cheaper than the major Western hotels and average $250+/night for rooms. Space is limited, so book well in advance if you go with either of these girl-friendly options.
[url]www.hotel-budapest.ru[/url]
[url]www.hoteltiflis.com[/url]
.[/QUOTE]
"Swiss" is generally OK, but they have glass doors in the bathroom, which is unpleasant, plus location is not so good. In Hyatt you'll have to meet girls downstairs and see them out right to the car, because securitys are monsters, can catsh even in the street and lock girl in the police for several hours just to squeeze some money. Plus ugly high-teck desighn (though men like it ;). For the same money better stay in National - a classy, quiet place, or Savoy, or any Marriott except Courtyard (uncomfortable location). Among small nice hotels (like Tifliss) we also have "Alrosa" and "Sretenka" - very quiet, in the center. Not bad are Renessance near Prospect Mira, Sheraton in Tverskaya and Novotel in Novoslobodskaya. And we have now many Holiday Inns - newbuilt, in different areas.
[QUOTE=Pat Reno]AHT 169- I really don't think you should worry about going to a Tochka without good Russian skills, especially if you have a driver. Just have a Russian phrase book and repeat the phrase I want to go to_____, and add the word Tochka. Once there all you have to do is point and the Mommachka will tell you how much. She will try asking you how much you want to pay first to separate the girls, but if you don't understand you can just shrug your shoulders and she will know how to handle the situation. She will probably use her cell phone to indicate the amount for the girl you want. Think of it as a fun adventure. Of course it is better if you speak some basic Russian, but I think you can still have fun, especially if you have a driver to help you, just give him a tip in his hand when you ask him to find you a Tochka so he will take better care of you, walk you through the process. For drivers, I use [url]www.gotoru.com[/url], They are not the cheapest option, but the drivers always are reliable in my opinion. Hope this encourages you to give the Tochki a try. Pat[/QUOTE]
Hey Pat...thanks for the tips and insight. Looked into the recommended driver service and looks like a definite possibility. I really appreciate the thoughts.
AHT169
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Pat, do you mean they invented some progressive way to test for HIV? I never heard about this, think in Moscow these tests are really not available (otherwise, I guess, my doc would give them to me instead of making holes in the arm each time I need my tests done). How much these oral tests can cost? Is it possible to bring then over? Which country did you see them? Thanks a lot for your answer, friend ;).[/QUOTE]
Hello Helena,
They are available in America at many testing centers but not over the counter yet. The brand Orasure is the main one. When I was in Barbados I saw them being sold over the counter for 30 USD and they can be transported on a plane no problem it gives you the results in only a few minutes if there are any antibodies in the saliva and are considered 99% accurate. I know they were trying to get it sold over the counter in Europe but I am not sure if they have gotten EU approval for it. I E-mailed my friend who is a doctor in Moscow if his hospital's Apteka had any or could order any and will forward his answer to you. Pat
[QUOTE=Pat Reno]I E-mailed my friend who is a doctor in Moscow if his hospital's Apteka had any or could order any and will forward his answer to you. Pat[/QUOTE]
Thank you again, Pat. Sure this information is very useful for all forum members ;)
How in the name of Yuri Dolgoruki did I end up back in CF?
I dont know, was it force of habit? Laziness? Pheremones? Gravitational pull? A FSB homing implant? A lack of other options? The nachos? A promise of free narcotic sleeping aids in your beer?
Could I smell the pussy lingering inside? Did I want to smell that pussy lingering inside?
Actually I blame the whole thing on the world cup and fellow ISG-commando Richard Cabro.
As you can tell, this report is dated... my CF visit was on July 5th, the day of the Portugal-France match in the world cup. RC and I had agreed to watch the football match together, which SHOULD have been England-France, and we had debated over where to watch it. An England fan, RC was a bit disappointed that his squad was out. As an American, I was a bit disappointed that our squad played like shit.
There are a few places showing sport on TV in Moscow, including Metallitsa, Sportland and the recently opened Bleachers. Bleachers was our original goal, as it is supposedly the best sports bar in Moscow and is the new operation of Doug.
Doug is one of the original owner/founders of several iconic Moscow establishments, including CF (now called Doug and Marty's Boarhouse) and the Hard Rock Cafe. There are a few other places he is involved in as well. Word has it that he is no longer involved in Boarhouse/CF, which will likely change the layout of our Moscow options somewhat. Time will tell if this is for better or worse.
RC and I were both running late to our meeting. He was somewhere out in Moscow-suburb Himki (IKEA-land) wooing a girl, which is way better than I have ever done in my periodic late-night excursions to Himki. My only memories of Himki involve roving packs of hungry wild flea-ridden dogs, roving packs of bored Klinskoe-drinking fascist youth and roving Lada patrol cars of cash-needy hungry, Klinskoe-drinking Moscow miliz.
I myself was busy fucking a girl, but have since forgotten which one it was. Likely candidates are Nastya, Vika or Dasha, but I really dont remember anymore. I'll have to contact CSI or check the dates on my video camera to piece that mystery together. God, I'll bet I left my DNA everywhere. Fuck.
Anyway, as the witching hour steadily approached, we both agreed to meet at CF, Doug and Marty's Boarhouse, the Boarhouse or whatever they are calling it these days. I like calling it "the Black Hole", a term coined by missing in action ISG supercommando Shostakovich, a freebie-pulling maniac that we can all learn from... if he would be so kind to rub off some of his pixie-magic on us.
In a display of astounding Prussian punctuality for someone as un-Prussian as I am, I arrived at CF at exactly 12 midnight.
RC hadnt arrived yet, but had confirmed per SMS that he was inbound, eta 30 minutes. With the football match on the big screen and the crowd equally divided between people rooting for the French and some heathens rooting for Portugal, I browsed the ho-collection areas around the bar, at the rear of the main room and along the outside of the dining area. Without waiting long, I approached a leggy attractive brunette sitting alone. We chatted a bit and as we conversed and she began to rub my leg and get cosy, I scanned the room for other candidates. It was way too early to decide on any one girl.
The quick scan revealed that there were quite a few new faces, mixed in with some "classic" models that have been around since the days when a dollar fetched 35 rubles and Tovarish Putin was still living in St.Pete. Nonetheless, my overall impression was surprisingly positive... and this even BEFORE I had any drink at all. Later on of course, after more than several drinks, it was a Xanadu-like pleasure house of superbabes quivering at my feet in sexual anticipation and begging for my attention. :)
Soon RC shows up and is already well-fueled with drink, forcing me to catch up. Him showing up was like a delightul car crash, reminding me of the scene in Boogie Nights when Dirk Diggler first meets Todd Parker and his life changes from a relatively sane and sedated one to a fantastic wild and out of control runaway train. Several beers later I have caught up to RC and am more Todd Parker than Dirk Diggler, and as we work the corner area of the bar near the door, I am impressed by RC's methods. His aggressive, yet playful approach is working perfectly and soon there is a pack of 4 or 5 girls around us both enjoying the playful banter and competing for our attention and pocket book. I adopt his methodology and achieve more than satisfactory results... at least a lot of contacts.
Soon another American shows up out of nowhere, a dentist from somewhere on his first trip to Russia. He's got the biggest, whitest smile I have seen outside of People magazine and somewhat of a caractiture of Mr.Nice Guy, but he can't be that nice if he ended up in the Black Hole. He's a friendly fun guy and we adopt him, more or less setting him up with one of our "harem".
This provided us with some interesting insight into new price structures at CF/BH, not to mention some relief in fending off the ever increasing numbers of dyevki surrounding us.
Some notes of interest to the ISG reader:
* there appears to be new Russian management at CF. According to our info, Doug is leaving or has left to pursue his other endeavors.
* there was a noticeable quality increase in terms of relative sexiness of the girls. Whether or not this was just chance or will be a more long-lasting improvement has yet to be seen. (any feedback from other ISG posters is appreciated) This may be due to the new management, or may just be our subjective view of the menu on that particular night. (RC commented the same)
* price level seems to hover around $200-250/night, later in the evening $150+. I got quotes as high as $300 at the beginning, and even at 2am $200 seemed to be a virtually fixed price. Again, more commentary appreciated from fellow posters.
* a high percentage of the girls are actually from Moscow, which may partially explain the higher prices. The girls from the regions are less in number, which is a shame since they were often cheaper and generally good providers. Where they have gone to I do not yet know...
* the "security fee" ranges from 500 to 1000 rubles ($18-35). This seems virtually unavoidable and is a supreme annoyance, since it is a worthless scam and I can't stand those bloated security goons. In the past I avoided it by meeting the girl outside, maybe this still works.
Meanwhile, RC and I are having a great time trading war stories, the most fun I have had at CF in a long time. Proves what difference a great wingman/drinking buddy can make in the overall enjoyment of a night out. The girls have been infected by our positive vibe and are laughing and drinking... on our tab of course... but their vodka-Os and beers are priced relatively harmlessly. A couple of other girls try to join the fun and ask for drinks but are unceremoniously rejected by us and do not belong to the "inner circle" of party revelers gathered around the juxtaposition of the two bars on the corner.
Its getting late (or early depending on your perspective) and time to make our exit. I've long since decided to take a girl with me and although there are several worthy candidates, my decision is essentially made for me as one of the girls in our "troupe" has been all over me for about 2 hours. She can't seem to let go of me and at some point we even do some kissing, which is quite rare for me within the club. I usually dont like to publically kiss the pros in the club and most girls avoid this as well.
She is about 1,57cm tall (5'2") and otherwise petite, but with gorgeous little perky titties and a tight, firm ass... which I have been fondling for some time. I really like her face as well, cute brunette hair with perfectly frames her clean angelic face, blue eyes and luscious Angelina-Jolie-like lips.
Although clearly our new found love is primarily business-related, there is a definite spark between us and somehow it feels very very real, which is just about as perfect as a relationship to a pro can be on a first time encounter.
Price.
RC and the Dentist also seem ready to go, and the Dentist settles on $200 + 1000 ruble security fee for a total check of $230. A bit high, but I really dont think he was going to escape for less. I am not sure what RC paid or with whom he left even, as several candidates were hovering around him when I last saw him... in his state he may have even elected to take all of them... or may in fact still be in CF at this very moment pondering his decision.
I settled on a mixture of rubles, dollars and Euros which came to about $200 total including security fee, taxi (she paid) and an overnight stay as long as I wanted, plus a free sex option anytime I was in Moscow if I took her out to dinner. (I have yet to redeem this "free sex for dinner" coupon... hope it hasnt expired...) I check her Moscow registration before leaving just to be sure, she is OK, as am I. No miliz worries.
I bid adieu to RC and the Dentist and zoom home with Mini Angelina to my Tverskaya apt.
My choice was right on target, Mini Angelina is a firecracker in the sack and we go at it like passionate lovers should. She liked a thorough pounding and all the kissing and rough passion, before I switched gears and we settled into a more sensual slow love-making type rhythym. She liked being on top until she got tired and let me govern the show. From behind seemed to be the position we liked best, but we tried almost all of them, at least all I could think of at the time. After round 1, we paused and I remembered that I had been carrying around some lingerie I bought for a ultra-sexy girl in St.Pete but wasnt able to give it to her, as she had found a rich Russian boyfriend and suddenly I was more than superfluous. I had been looking for a suitable candidate to give it to for some time and was now thinking that mini Angelina might just be the one.
It wasnt such an easy task, since it was a size XS teddy and I needed a thin girl with enough tittage to fill out the top properly. Mini Angelina seemed perfect and indeed she was, filling out the teddy top and string undies very nicely. She was of course elated to receive the new Victoria's Secret sex gear, and if tweaking her performance up a notch was even possible, she did upon receipt of my present.
I kept her around until the early afternoon, during which we alternated between fucking, chatting and general lounging. At some point I remembered I had some business to take care of, so I had to send her home. I honestly had the feeling she would have stayed through the entire afternoon... She said she'd take the metro and didnt need taxi money, so we departed with a promise to meet again... which I hope we someday do.... I'd like to redeem my coupon.
Moral of the story?
Drink a lot and throw your money out the window = big fun!
WTF is going on Moscow, no hard liquor. I could only manage to find Jack at City Space/Swiss Hotel and Fabriq. Sorry for the late report, I cracked my left feet. Anyway,
I arrived beloved Moscow on Thursday morning (20 July), taxis are becoming more organized in each time. In my previous visits I could manage to find freelancers but in last three times I was surrounded by the the dispatchers. Anyway, I paid $50 for a Renault Clio from Sher II to Metro Kolomemenskaya (50 mins drive).
After a quick breakfast at my blood brother’s apartment, my girl friend(she is Moldivian) and I started to explore the city. If you want to experience Russian cuisine in reasonable prices, I highly recommend MU MU. There is one at Arbat close to Hard Rock Cofee. MU MU is definitely the cheapest Russian restaurant, on the contrary the quality is higher than many other $$ restaurants.
The flea market close to Izmaloshka Park is the best place to buy souvenirs. For the same products you only pay half price or ¼ of the Arbat prices.
It was summer time and there was a strange hard liquor problem all over the city. We could only manage to find jack at 34th floor of the Swiss Hotel. Awesome view, but they should definitely need a professional perspective on waitress outfits. It was a strange combination of nun dress and brides’ maids dress. Above all the view worth it.
Karma and Buddha simply sucked for a Friday night. Low profile crowd and liquor problems. We move from one spot to another at the end, we smoked kalyan/hokka at sunrise café at Novy Arbat.
When we went to MisterXXX(it was my favorite place), we found out that the magement had changed. The Gentleman’s club turned into a truckers strip club. Most of the waitresses were gone, only couple of dancers still remained but the quality of the customers was lower. They tried to sell Jameson instead of Jack. L We spent only two hours and had 4 lap dances. They asked 1500Rb cover for ladies, 750 for men.
Saturday night, first we met our friends at CF. CF is dead. Only bear and champagne, waitresses were getting ruder. The place was empty for a Saturday night. There were too many African expats and the quality of the crowd was lower than the usual.
Fabriq is the right place if you want top-notch dance club. There was a strict face control. But as long as you speak English and you don’t look too sloppy, you can easily get trough the face control. We only waited 5 mins, they didn’t let some 10/10-model type girls in, they said that the girls ratio was high enough. Cover cost you 300 Rub, this is the second place where you can find Jack and all other hard liquors in Moscow. Being with a Russian-speaking girlfriend opens many unexpected doors. Approaching other girls was smoother and easier, especially if you have a bisexual girl friend. If we didn’t stay at my blood brother’s apartment, we definitely left the place with two sisters.
In our last night, we went to B2. It was OK for Sunday night. The quality was lower than Fabriq, but we had fun.
I was with my bisexual girl friend. I didn’t look around for an action. But it is amazing how unexpected doors could easily open in unexpected places. I highly recommend Russian speaking bisexual girl friends. They are looking girls more than you do.
Big Bro:
Sounds like you had fun in Moscow, especially at Fabrique. I have always liked that place, even though you can sometimes "get lost" in it... :) Its the favorite of many Moscow-based expats, so traditionally a Western-friendly club and considered semi-elite... meaning face control but certainly not that strict. Often a lot more fun than more pretentious places. Your bi-sexual girlfriend seems like your ticket to nirvana! Lucky guy!
Taxis: Definitely more and more legit taxis on the streets. Lately I have found that they are often even cheaper than "street taxis", especially if you order them ahead of time. That market is definitely changing.
MisterXXX: Thanks for the heads up, too bad about that.
Swiss Hotel: Nice view, but they close WAY too early. Took a girl there once and they were closing at 2am on a Moscow Saturday night.... wonder if that policy changed recently?
CF: I had a good time there on a Wednesday night, but on the following Friday (just checked in there to show a Moscow newbie the place before leaving for Voodoo Lounge) it was not as good as Wednesday and left after 15 minutes... so I guess as always, YMMV.
Doctor_Skank,
I think its going into our DNA, I too invariably end in the same place..where i had taken a vow to never return....I don't know its the gravitational pull or some sort of black magic....:D
Thanks. I am not sure what you meant by the metaphor "game" but thank you. I am trying to keep my options open. I am getting a better reception from college girls in the States than girls in their mid or late 20s which tells me that it is not just about looks but also about information and knowledge. Unfortunately, I work a lot of hours and don't have the time to hit on college girls every day. That is why I have decided to leave the US for a few days a few times a year. I am also looking at other options like a global business that would allow me to travel, which would at least cover my expenses. I think the thing that I am learning--which may be counterintuitive--is that when you are not working, you should be hitting the streets hitting on every woman you like. Well, I have been trying for almost a year in the US with not a lot to show. But that is becaue I work my ass off most of the time. I do agree that you cannot get laid with so many beauties in such a qucik turnaround time in an an Angla country as fast as you can in Russia. We'll see what happens. If I go to Russia in a couple of months, I will let you know. Maybe we can all meet for drinks. The only thing that would stop me from going to Russai if it turns out that I can do the same thing in the US with college age girls. On a different note, I have been avoiding Russian and Eastern Europeans in general in the US and in Canada. I just have a bad feeling like it is all about money. I know you will find it hard to believe but sometimes, if you are lucky, I think it is easier to find a Northern European or Canadian or American girl who will go out with you if you just take the time to listen to her. (I am talking about someone 18-22 or up to 26 but in great shape. It is not pretty having sex with a woman older than 26). Sometime that is easier than dealing with a woman motivated by money. I am hoping that when I go to Russia, I can find women who are not just motivated by money. No, not looking for a wife. Just that the experience of being around a blood sucker is not all that fun. In Canada, I asked for a Canadian girl and they sent me a Russian. I would not open the door. The woman pounded on the door, and then her driver called the police and said I was beating her up just to get back at me for not opening the door. My experience with Russians and Eastern Europeans in the US and Canada have been very bad. That is why I am reluctant to go to Russia. But given the state of affairs of the world in finding white women who will put out, I am afraid I have no choice. Hopefully, in the next few days, I will have some success in the US that could put off my trip. I am finally making some progress. Walking home on Sunday from a college bar, a group of college girls came up and one said it was her 21st birthday. I said that I had been looking for 4 hours for a beautiful girl like her. The issue of age never came up in the conversation. Okay, enough of my rambling.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Guy2:
Just some comments on your recent enquiry. Personally, even if I find some of your posts to be off target or over the top, I also agree with a lot of what you write. For example, I question the wisdom of some average-earning Joes spending $$$$ to fly to expensive EE cities only to discover that even mid-level sex is expensive there so they end up having to go cheap and end up only banging low-end EE chicks.. they really could do just as well or better elsewhere for a lot less. As always, research pays dividends.
But anyway, to your enquiry:
"1. Please recommend apartments and hotels. I think some apartments are run by members on this forum."
A hotel I recommend in terms of "flash factor" is the SwissOtel Krasnye Holmy. Nicest hotel in Moscow right now... but at a price. Expect to pay about $400+/night. Only bad thing is the location, although technically central, it is on an island and you are not able to walk anywhere comfortably from there and will have to use taxi.
A very nice centrally-located hotel is the equally flashy Hotel Hyatt Ararat, also at least $400/night but within walking distance of many clubs etc.
Two interesting locally-operated hotels are Hotel Budapest (great location in the very center of tourist activities) and Hotel Tiflis (also central, but in a less-touristy part of town).
Both are fairly modern and a bit cheaper than the major Western hotels and average $250+/night for rooms. Space is limited, so book well in advance if you go with either of these girl-friendly options.
[url]www.hotel-budapest.ru[/url]
[url]www.hoteltiflis.com[/url]
None of the current apartment agencies are being run by forum members, however some are "western-run". ISG legend Ca_Traveller DID set up [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url], an agency which works quite well and is now being run by a different American and long-time Moscow resident, Rick. Ca_T however is now in Odessa living it up and running his new agency [url]www.odessaexecutivesuites.com[/url]. Expect to pay about $150+ for an apartment in Moscow.
"2. I am considering St. Petersburg over Moscow but remember rumors that the escorts are unregulated and there are more HIV+ girls running around in St. Petersburg. Your opinions please?"
I doubt that there is any higher prevalence of HIV among Pitr-based pros. Most HIV cases are among drug users and pros working the highways etc. Chances are, you'll never be exposed to this "bottom-feeding" level of prostitution if you go to the regular pickup bars and agencies. In any case, condom use is nearly 100% among pros in the mid to upper-tier circles.
"3. Also, Oralsure and Oralquick is now a hot startup. Are their products available on the market in Russia?"
I have yet to see these products in Russia but would certainly welcome their arrival.
"4. What do you guys think about Sweden as a destination? I know there are not a lot of escorts but I am running into a lot of liberal Europeans lately. Is it possible that you can get some action in Sweden with a girl you meet at a nightclub? The Swedes seem very progressive. It is hard to compare anything to the US or Toronto because the Americans and the Anglo-Canadians are so fucking fat and sexually repressed and old."
Swedes are quite open sexually. I am not a Sweden expert at all, however based on what I have read and been told first hand by Sweden regulars is that it is quite easy to score freebies in Sweden if you have decent "game". The pro scene sucks, with the femnazi movement in full swing in otherwise sexually liberal Sverige. A big advantage is that everybody speaks English... which is not the case in EE.[/QUOTE]
Guy, even though you sound somewhat personality challenged I am going to give you some advice. I am sure since you addressed this to Dr. S he is going to do a much better job in replying then I. But I am bored.
Going to EE to find the girl of your dreams who 'loves you for you' as a tourist is never going to happen, ever. The only girls who are going to be interested in you are those looking for outright cash (or perhaps gifts) or those who think you can take care of them in good lifestyle (house, car, out of the country then dump your ass).
On the other hand, if you want to learn Russian, spend six or so months out of the year there then you will be able to tap into the hot 'normal' girl market.
As far as the 25+ year olds vs. college girls in the US/Canada it's been my experience - having grown up in Boston, the prototypical college town that college girls are generally extremely friendly and willing to talk to anything that moves. Talking to a college girl really doesn't mean all that much unless you get her phone number and go out on a date with her. As for the jaded 25+ year olds, they are at the point in their life where they have already been fucked over once or twice by a 'bad boy' type. But are still young enough to be looking for a Brad Pitt type (note to all - Brad is 40+ is it still okay to use him as the uber example?).
As far as your unwillingness to fuck anything over 26 in the west, although it maybe be merited to paint all the girls in EE with that brush (most of the girls do age hard in EE - sorry EE girls). I find it odd to draw that same assessment of girls in the US/Canada in particular - assuming of course they aren't using the terms 'full figured', 'curvy', 'not thin' or any other online term used in personal ads that equals fat.
BTW - Nothing says 'desperate (I'm omitting the second word for reasons of civility)' more then hitting on everything that moves.
Thanks for your advice, which I will keep in mind. I am working on the college girls. I have had a lot of other opportunities with 20 something girls hitting on me or coming up to me drunk or hitting on me at work, all of which I have passed up. I know that sounds odd. My thinking is time is short and if I waste to much time fucking everything, I am not spending my time going after what I really want. I had a 27 or 28 year old German Canadian in Toronto get naked on me, and it wasn't pretty. Plus for some reason, some women older than 24 have a body odor. This week I will try to get the phone numbers and go out with the college girls and anything hot over 18 that I see on the street. I am recovering from food poisoning so have been out of commission for the last few days. Factoring in the cost of hotel in Russia, and the hassle of getting a visa, it may be smarter to fly into Prague where escorts are now running at $80 an hour. Regardless of my success with the college girls in the US, I'll probably make the trip to Moscow or St. Petersburg in a couple of months. I'll just have to find a way to eat the hotel costs. No I am not looking for my dream girl. But I see women who put out for free for one guy and then make another guy pay. I don't think it is all about looks. I think it is how you handle the woman. I don't want to be the chump subsidizing some girl so she gives it away free for someone else. It's not about love. It's about not being made a fool of. That is why I don't see the logic in going out with anyone over 24. Most of the girls are not virgins by 18-22. So it should make no difference whether a 22 year old fucks somene her age or someone older because she is no Virgin Mary. And I don't want the 26 year old who feels pressured to get married or who has been fucked over--I am not the clean up man. That is why I don't view this site as a site for chasing escorts. People here don't talk about dollars and buying chicks. It is more about where in the world you can find a culture of beautiful slim women and how you can manage these girls. The word freebie and non pro comes up more often. This site is about fighting back and leveling the playing field. I think this week will be a significant turning point because I will hit on anything over 18 that is beautiful. It has taken me a year just to even get into the college bars. Most of my friends my age are embarrassed to even walk into a place with people under 30. We'll see what happens. I did get the number for the college girl that came up to me. But I also am interested in how she treats me: does she expect me to do more work than some bum her age? Or does she expect me to do more work? If she expects me to do more work, then fuck her and I will move to another girl. It's all about fighting back--morally, legally, ethically. Two consenting adults over 18--I didn't tell her to take off her pants. We also never discussed a business model that pays for chasing women--adult business. If you are going to spend x amount of dollars trying to get laid, you may consider starting an adult business--an online adult site, etc.--that will pay for your hobby. If these girls are only interested in money, and you are only interested in sex, you should create a business model that pays for your expenses. Or like some members here, start a business overseas--like buying a bar or an apartment--that allows you to live abroad. I don't care what happens in terms of how successful I am with women. Whatever happens happens. I just don't want to mismanage my money and have a year where I am spending more than taking in. Travelling to Russia or Canada for pussy is about the same or less than what it would cost me to maintain several girlfirends in the US. The only difference is that the time spent with the pussy is concentrated into a certain amount of days instead of spread out over the entire year.
PS For some reason--and I have studied women in bars over the past year--26 seems to be a defining cutoff. Once a woman hits 26, it seems like it is normal for her to go out with a much older guy. If that is the case, I don't see a difference between 21 and 26 or 22 and 26 which is a matter of a few years. I see it as an arbitrary and cultural difference. Also, most people I talk to don't really try. I think I am the only guy I know who stops people on the street. Maybe there are others but not in my circle. So I think this arbitrary cut off prevents people from trying. But what happens when someone pushes the envelope and does try? Well, I guess we'll see what happens this week. In the meantime, I will plan my trip to Moscow in case I don't fuck anything over the next 2 months. I look at this from a business perspective managing my time and money.
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Originally Posted by Doctor_Skank
BTW, does anyone ever go to the beaches or aqua parks in Moscow? Must be a decent place to find women. On my last trip, several of the regular gfs told me they were "at the beach" when I called them... apparently there are a few public and private beaches along the Moscow river where girls go to sun themselves. Obviously swimming in the river is probably a health hazard, but scamming on the babes shouldnt be toooooo dangerous... ideas`or info anyone?
Hello, I E-mailed a Secretary in our Moscow office your question and this is what she sent back to me. -Pat
This is the list of the most popular beaches in Moscow, approved by sanitary inspectors as clean and safe:
Troparyovo Beach
Address: Academician Vinogradov Street, recreational area “Troparyovo”, 339-38-52
Pure sand and clear water. Trampoline, horses, beach volleyball, barbecue, shooting gallery. You can hire a three-seated boat at 180 rubles an hour, or catamaran at 200 rubles an hour.
Entrance: free
Rublyovo Beach
Myakinskoye highway, 1, phone: 414-14-24
Catamarans and boats at 200-400 rubles an hour. Pure sand, well-attended clean area, clear water. Ocassional glamour parties and beach dancing contests.
Entrance fee: 30-40 rubles
Serebryanny Bor-3
Polezhaevskaya metro station, 199-09-70
The most famous Moscow beach. Divided into three areas. Beach-3 enjoys most attention of Muscovites. Neat and clean. A little far away from the main area is a nudist beach.
Entrance fee: 50 rubles
Serebryanny Bor-2
Tamanskaya, beach-2
Khimky-2
Nikolsky Tupik, 2
Clean. Beach voleyball and badminton. Enjoys increasing popularity.
Entrance: free
Strogino
Schukinskaya metro station, then bus# 277
One of the busiest beaches in Moscow. Windsurfing, kiteboarding, hydrocycling and water scooters.
Entrance: free
Bolshoi Sadovy (Academic) pond
Bolshaya Academicheskaya street, 38a, 154-34-66
Not deep, 2 meters. Boats, playing grounds with slides and paddling pool for children; shower, cabanas. Nearby is a magnificent ancient empire grotto with whitestone columns. The pond is located on the territory of the former country estate Petrovsko-Razumoskoye.
Entrance: 50 rubles
Levoberezhny
Pribrezhny avenue, 5
Despite the noise from the nearby Lenigrad Highway, the beach is very crowded every weekend.
Entrance: free
Besides these accessible and widely popular beaches, there are also more expensive beaches that offers more variety. For instance, the entertainment beach center “Beach Club” in Moscow has: bar on sand, facilities for children, gym, restaurant, sushi bar, coffee house, hire station, super-banya, bungalow, VIP zone, mini yacht club, games, aquapark, parking, beach volleyball, mini-soccer, background music, stage for concerts and fashion shows. ([url]www.beach-club.ru[/url]) Another beach area of a higher than average level is Gorky Beach located on the territory of Gorky Park, near the Moskva river. Has parking zone, disco in the open air, restaurant, bar. [url]www.gorkybeach.ru[/url] 8(495) 517 59 87
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]Helena you are one of the most beautiful and intelligent woman that i have never seen (and 1st in my heart) please explain me with Pat Reno why Here a means of making test HIV and to have a response in less than 20 minutes on the other hand I do not know the price, this way detects also other infections and if with this means one we could fuck finally without condom ?
[url]http://www.orasure.com/products/default.asp?cid=17&subx=3&sec=3[/url]
In all the cases, the HIV (aids) is detectable only 3 months after the contamination, that the test is done in 20 minutes or into 1 week does not change anything.
There is no question of having made medicine studies but to have a minimum of good direction and not to be irresponsible... I hope that the pigeons who will buy that will understand that the 20 minutes relate to only the test in itself and will not fuck without condom while believing themself quiet[/QUOTE]
Vince, nobody speaks about unprotected sex =))))). You are right about the 3 months and importance of being responsible. Just I am very much interested in this sort of oral tests, because the normal prosedure of HIV-testing is very painful :(. I think for people who make these tests often, it could be a good idea to avoid making holes in the hand each time. On the other hand there are some other infections detected by blood analisis, which makes holes in hand almost unavoidable.
Pat Reno:
Thanks for the list of beaches! Moscow can actually slow down club-wise in the summer, so having some beach areas to check out gives us more girl-watching and girl-chasing opportunities, especially during the day! Thanks for the help!
Long time filing this report, but as I see Doc has shamed me by getting his belated report filed I thought I’d better pull my finger out. This report dates back to early July and marked a small milestone for me, this being my 20th trip to Moscow. I always seem to gravitate to CF, whatever the weather. This time I was going to try other options, including hitting some clubs with Doc Skank. As it turns out though, this is mostly a report about the “Black Hole “(like the name Doc).
Saturday 01/07. Things started badly. I had just 90 minutes to clear immigration, collect my luggage and get from Domodedyevo to central Moscow before the England vs Portugal world cup game kicked off. However, my flight was delayed 90 minutes in London leaving me no time at all.
I eventually checked in at the hotel and went straight to Petrovich with my business partner (BP1) just in time to see the worst display of penalty taking ever by the England team. With no more serious interest in the world cup I could try and concentrate on other issues but my immediate disappointment was hard to hide so, after a bite to eat and a few beers I headed home to sleep.
Sunday 02/07. At 1:30 in the afternoon BP1 called to say he was coming by to go out for the afternoon to his friend’s dacha. As I struggled to the bathroom I got another call, from Lina, a long time semi-GF saying she was on her way over in a taxi. A bit of history here: I met Lina about 5 years ago through a dating web site and we usually meet when I am in Moscow and we’ll go shopping, choose something nice for her and then she turns into a fuck bunny for the next 24 hours. Now Lina is an attractive, brunette, and 41 years old but with a very well looked after body. I had told her I would be in Moscow a few weeks before by email, she replied that she was getting married to an American and going to live in Hawaii. I countered with the offer of a farewell lunch but forgot all about it until she called as I stepped into the shower.
However, this is Russia and BP1 arrived at my hotel and when he saw I had company he simply called his GF and arranged for her to meet us at the dacha. We drank wine , cooked shaslik and generally had a chilled out afternoon at the dacha. Early evening, I took Lina to the bathroom where we enjoyed an intense farewell fuck. As we left, BP1 and his GF took over from us and were ensconced for some time clearly (ie; audibly) enjoying each other.
Around midnight we were heading back to the city in the same taxi that took us out to the dacha (1000 rub this guy charged for almost 12 hours!!). As we hit Prospect Mira close to the Cosmos Hotel, BP1 discovered he had left his cell phone at the dacha. Lina and I jumped out and took another taxi back to my hotel to continue our goodbyes while BP1 and GF played hunt the cell phone. After another round of sucking and fucking Lina had to leave so I put her in a taxi and wished her well in her new life and 2 minutes later I was in a taxi of my own en route to the “Black Hole” or CF. As one door closes its important to get your toe into another.
The CF crowd was pretty solid for 2:15am on a Monday morning, probably half full and, most surprising of all to me, there was a high factor of not only new faces but some solid 8’s and the occasional 9. Rumours about the ownership of CF changing have been rife for some time and the general slide in expat friendliness is probably linked to this. But, and it an important but, if the quality of the WG’s has gone up several notches then we shouldn’t ***** too much about the price hikes. To me CF is now an indoor Tochka with security on the door and the opportunity to meet, assess and party a little with your chosen one before buying. Drinks are incidentals, I would buy these whatever bar I was in, so $200 - $300 per night for a very beautiful companion is not too OTT. The first time I went to CF I got away for $70, but the norm was $100. Five years on the price has doubled but I get more $$ for my GBP so it don’t hurt so much.
I settled on a bar stool close to my identified target: a very pretty redhead, skinny with big tits and probably 160cm tall. Oxsana (as I found out later) was chatting with a Flat Top but I made eye contact and exchanged a couple of smiles. Meanwhile, a very slim, big eyed brunette called Marina had started hitting on me so I had some fun drinking and talking with her whilst keeping a regular check on Oxsana and the Flat Top. By now Marina was growing on me and as the time was 3am decision time was approaching. This process was being facilitated by the glares and grunts coming from the Flat Top as he began to realise I was hitting on his date.
The next few minutes were surreal and part of the reason I love Russia so much. BP1 arrived (with his cell phone), slapped me on the back and we got a beer each. He instinctively new where to find me as my hotel desk told him I had gone out. Once he understood the situation with Oxsana he approached Flat Top and a short but heated discussion in Russian ensued. The outcome was that Flat Top got up and left. I later learnt that BP1 asked what his problem was and Flat Top suggested that foreigners should not come to Moscow and fuck Russian girls. BP1 kindly informed him that I was more Russian than him and he agreed to leave. As a reward, I introduced BP1 to Oxsana and shortly after we all left (me with Marina) for BP1’s apartment for some much needed fun. Marina sucked like a Dyson and was full of fun and enthusiasm. Both girls asked $200 each for the balance of the night.
Monday 03/07. Spent most of the day drinking and sleeping at BP1’s apartment and returned to my hotel at 6pm. I took a nap and then went for dinner. After the previous night’s pleasant surprise at CF I decided to be lazy and go back to check it out again (as you do, even when you really know exactly what to expect). I arrived at 12:30 am and the placer was hardly jumping. The weekend was clearly over and most of the girls were recognisable as the seasoned CF regulars. I took a beer and went to talk to Anna one of the above mentioned seasoned regulars. Anna is probably mid thirties, bottle redhead and a large rack and too much make-up but we have some history from a few years back. You’ll know if you meet her ‘cos she always promises “good sex, good sex”. 30 minutes later the place hadn’t warmed up so I struck a deal with Anna and we went back to the hotel. I’d forgotten what Anna means by good sex. She is certainly enthusiastic, but not a GFE. She does all the right things but its fairly mechanical – a bit like fucking a porno movie. After a couple of hours I’d had enough and Anna left, apparently returning to CF to see if she could score again.
Tuesday 04/07: Time to work and after a busy day I ended up at the Albion with a client from Belarus (BP2). After a couple of beers and some bar snacks at the Albion we moved on to Pyramid to scope the chicks. Not too much to report so we called BP1 (a mutual friend of BP2). He was still drinking more than 24 hours after I left him so we took a taxi to his place to make sure he was OK. This was something of a mistake as the evening descended into the three of us drinking vodka at his kitchen table until we all passed out.
Wednesday 05/07: I managed to rouse myself and crawl back to my hotel at 6am and then slept until early afternoon when it was time to earn a little more cash with a couple of business meetings. This was an important day for me as I was scheduled to meet Doc Skank in the evening so I was determined to stay out of trouble, away from the vodka during the business meetings, etc. We all know Doc is a bit of a legend on this board. His exploits and input have been superb and I have learned my way around Moscow and St Petersburg by absorbing his many posts. I still carry a copy of his infamous “White Shoes” post with me – it’s a literary masterpiece, it always makes me smile and it tells you a lot about how Russians think as well as Doc’s mongering exploits in Piter.
My final business meeting started well but disintegrated. The two Russians I was with have been business partners for years but today was the day they decided to divorce. The boss man departed and I was left with his forty-something but attractive former partner crying on my shoulder, having (foolishly or gallantly, I’m not sure) promised to look after her. Lets call her BP3. I invited her for dinner, feeling sure that I would be away and free in time to meet Doc, so we got in her car. Here I should explain that I don’t speak Russian and whilst BP3 understands some English, her spoken English is not good. Still, I was doing the right thing. The first hour in the car we moved about 500 metres (don’t you love Moscow traffic). Eventually we got moving and she just kept driving. All I knew was we were going west, into the sunset.
Eventually we arrived in a suburb built exclusively of Soviet style apartment blocks. We parked and entered one of said apartment blocks and took the stinky elevator. By now I assumed we were going to her apartment but realised this was not the case as she wandered around looking for the right door. Finally, we entered and were greeted by a guy in his 50’s (her husband maybe?). Within minutes the table was laden with food, the vodka came out and BP3’s best friend was chatting away, to my relief, in English. We had a great couple of hours, he played guitar and sang songs, we drank and BP3 cheered up. Turns out this guy is a former Colonel in the Moscow police so you can bet I kept his visit card…you never know when you need a good contact.
Finally, we departed and BP3 drove me back to the hotel where I swapped her car for a taxi and headed for CF, already late for my meeting with Doc, ostensibly to watch football but by now it was getting too late.
Now, I’ve been travelling for 20 years and been to almost 60 countries. In all my travels I have been really fortunate and have met one articulate, educated and internationally aware American. I can now double this tally as Doc is right up there. I knew a lot from his writing style but the man does not disappoint. Friendly from the word go, well humoured and exceptionally comfortable in the company of women. I drink for courage, Doc has natural confidence. We sparked quite well and the difference is immense compared with when you hit a place like CF alone. Russian girls are drawn to confidence and to (apparently) successful people having fun. We soon had a burgeoning harem on our corner of the bar and, beer goggles or not, the quality was high.
Somewhere along the way we adopted another American guy with an amazing white smile. I forgot his name but Doc remembered the details in his post. Several beers later and I had reached the point where I don’t get more drunk but I just keep on drinking. This is danger time for me so while Doc and Mr Teeth departed with their chosen ladies I took a couple of bottles of water and went and sat in the restaurant area near the dance floor. After an hour or so I felt the self control returning and had to start from square one as I had allowed the harem to disperse when Doc departed. I noticed a slim, long haired brunette (there’s a theme here) dancing and went to join her. The DJ assisted me by then playing some (c)rap so we retired to the bar. Nadia was Moldovan (or from somewhere similar) and had a plumper butt than I would normally go for but she was very touchy feely and seemed genuinely happy to be with me. After a coffee we struck a deal (5000 rubles/ $185) and went to the hotel.
We showered together and Nadia smiled and kissed me when I slid a soapy finger in her butt hole. Things were looking good. When we went to the bedroom she produced condoms and lube. She gave a pretty good BBBJ and then rode me cowgirl before we switched to doggy. I applied a spot of lube and next minute I was sunk to my nuts in her ass. A few strokes later the condom was off and I came in her mouth. This was followed by her dash to the bathroom to spit. Sleep then took over for a couple of hours before we had a repeat round. Nadia’s not the prettiest girl in the world but she does the business, is very affectionate and came in at under $200.
Next time I go to Moscow I’m going to fulfil the promise I made to myself in September 2005 – no more CF. It’s a dive, its overpriced, the security charge is a disgrace, it’s the same old *****s, etc, etc.
Hasta la Victoria, siempre
Ricardo
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I forgot to write.
On saturday night around 22:30 only 300 metres away from CF, we saw a tochka. There were at least 20 WGs. They were too comfortable and didn't even bother to wait their customers at the valley.
They were chatting with the potential customers and beacon girl just presented the girls.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Pat Reno:
Thanks for the list of beaches! Moscow can actually slow down club-wise in the summer, so having some beach areas to check out gives us more girl-watching and girl-chasing opportunities, especially during the day! Thanks for the help![/QUOTE]
Doc:
I am more in the regions than in Moscow, and it's amazing how Kazan becomes like the twilight zone during Dacha season. I have gone to the beach a lot of times in Kazan, Perm, Samara, and Yekaterinburg and I noticed that the girls are really friendly, it was easier getting phone numbers than in a club. A lot of people share shisliki, play football, or beer and young and old people mix and talk. I remember an older Russian man came up to a girl I was with and asked to take a picture of us because we looked good together, probably her above average sized breasts had something to do with it too. Good luck!
PR:
I envy you for your regional travels, must be pretty interesting to see all aspects of Russian life. Dacha/holiday season does take its toll on city nightlife though, even in a place like Moscow.
Maybe Russians have a photo fetish like the Japanese? I remember a funny situation at CF when I was talking to a very cute CF pro named Nadia and a somewhat suspicious Russian guy starting taking dozens of pictures of us, asking us to pose together etc., which we did. He then abruptly left. The girl then turned to me and said "your friend is very strange, why did he want to take our picture?". I then said, "my friend, I thought he was your friend!".
Never saw him again, but he must have about 30 pictures of me with a beer in hand and a platinum blonde, pink-lipsticked ho hanging all over me. So much for my budding political career... :)
Doc:
I love when I go to Moscow because of all the choices and top level girls, in the regions it's a lot of adventure and sweet girls too. Hard to decide which is better, but I wish I spent more time in Moscow. Russian's definitely like sharing photos, I go to Russian homes for business dinners a whole lot, and they always sit down on the coach and bring out all of the photo albums. And they always have the mandatory bikini shot and short robe in the morning shot of the mother/daughter(s). I have dinner with a Militia Colonel and his family maybe four times a year and he shows me the same photos everytime as if it was the first time, luckily he has two daughters to keep me entertained. After reading your posts all this time I was ready to vote for you, but with a photo like that you probably will have to run in Las Vegas. I remember during Yeltsin that Justice Minister that got caught in bed with the two 17 year old WG's and had the photo splattered all over the place. Pat
PR:
Yeah, the photo albums are a must. Sitting down on the aged upholstered couch drinking tea or vodka, of course. And the house should smell like a volatile mixture of boiled cabbage and dust for the full effect... :)
The obligatory bikini shot seems to be some sort of federal law too, because they all have it. Another trend I have noticed is that most have pictures of them kissing their other girlfriends when they are in their teens... like they are practising or something... or pictures in their pyjamas and lingerie taken during impromptu modeling sessions from their teens.
Despite all this apparent sexual experimentation at early ages, it is surprising how many girls are still quite sexually inexperienced at 18 or 19.
The militia colonel in any town is a good guy to know... especially if he has daughters to be your bodyguards... :)
An angry militia father is a bad guy to know. Now that I am reminiscing, I remember sitting together alone with my new barely 18-yr old gf in a Moscow oblast 12th floor apartment browsing through just such a photo album admiring my new girlfriend's half-naked pictures of her friends when she non-chalantly cooly commented "I hope my father doesnt come home now, he hates Americans and will kill you." Even as I gulped down a muted laugh I saw the militia hat hanging in the corner of the room next to some plaque... she continued turning pages, making a typical russkaya comment.
"This is my friend Masha. She is very beautiful. Is she more beautiful than me?" Hint hint.
No Ksusha, she isnt. But maybe her dad doesnt carry a pistol and a badge... :)
Doc:
I agree 100% with you it's amazing with as much groping and experimenting they do in the corridors of the schools how innocent and coy they can be at 18/19 even after starting University. I remember a University girl named Alyona, beautiful blonde, who interviewed for a part time job with us and she sat with her legs apart and wearing white pantyhose and sheer panties. I thought, she has to know she is driving me crazy, she must want the job bad, and then a week later she's with me in a bookstore and I ask her to translate the back of the book cover for me and she stops half way though and says with a little girl voice whisper, " It's about something dirty between a man and a woman." It was a book of poems by the way, not erotica. On the other extreme was Sasha same class as Alyona, same year, I think different section though, I woke up to find her going through the trash and rubbing the condom inside out on her Koshka! She wasn't coy about what she wanted.
That's a great story about the Militia daughter. I'm not sure I would have stuck around. My next door neighbor in Perm is a General in the Road Police and he made some kid who was necking with his daughter strip down to nothing and through him outside in the snow. I never saw any white man run that fast. Pat
The Perm story is pretty spooky... but trust me, I didn’t stay in the Moscow oblast apartment longer than I had to. I actually met the girl’s mother once too, and was rip-roaring drunk at the time. Only good thing I had going for me was that I was extremely polite and that the gf’s grandmother thought I was good-looking, which I guess means I look like Stalin in riding pants or something. :)
In any case, she officially has permission to stay over at her “girlfriends house” when I am in town… in actuality mom and grandma have officially allowed her to get thoroughly rodded by a thirtysomething doctor of the skanky arts.
As for sudden innocence, even hos will sometimes object when too obscene language is used. I mean, these girls lick out guy’s assholes and I cant say “zhopa” and “siski”?
Sounds like you have a good gig with the Alyonas and Sashas of the world… I think I need to hang out around the uni more often, but I suppose I’d look terribly predatory with my "ISG sexual terror squad" t-shirt on…
Doc, Sounds Like you have a great thing going with the Militia Daughters of Moscow. Nothing makes you more respectable looking then being called a Good Boy by the Momma/Babushka.
The quickest way to scare a pro besides saying zhopi and siski is to get her to agree to a second hour and then tell her that your out of money and can she put it on your tab. My friend did this in a small hotel in Votkinsk and they actually went though his suitcases
to find something to pay for his second hour with the girl.
Pat
The second hour payment plan is usually paid by the pint of blood, right? :)
On the subject of no payment, a couple of CF pros reported to me about guys not paying at all or not having enough money to pay, especially drunk Russians. In those cases the pro was SOL (shit out of luck) and ended up with nothing. The gist of the complaints was that I should pay ahead of time, because she had to be sure I had money.... so maybe they were just "sob stories" made up to induce early payment, but the stories sounded legit and were probably true. In my case I paid half up front and half later.
One pro reported banging an American business guy all night and then he kicked her out of the SwissOtel in the morning with no payment and told her to complain to the cops if she had a problem. She didnt really have any choice but to leave, as she figured making a huge scene screaming bloody murder would have gotten her kicked out of the hotel by security and she wouldnt end up with any money anyway. Wonder how often that happens?
Old Russian proverb says, for every ounce of sperm on girl not paid for, one ounce of blood you'll give to big Pasha.
Doc, I think that it happens, especially in the regions. I saw a drunk director in a Public banya outside of Kazan getting into a fight with the Mommachka saying the girl had too much fun with him, so he shouldn't have to pay since she had a good time.
But then the Mommachka's handlers brought in their Militia handlers and the guy had to pay the Militia, the Muscle, and the Mommachka. I got the same girl later that night and she wasn't in a good mood.
Here is a short description of my week end in Moscow.
I'm usually a great fan of LHW (Leading Hotels of the World), so I booked a room at the National Hotel. I choosed a business suite, for $500/day all included. I wouldn't recommend to anyone to do the same, as room is very little, not so well organized, and with poor bathroom. However, location is a must (just facing the Kremlin, on Teatralnaya metro). Next time, following recommendation of some pros, I'll choose the Hyatt, or the Swiss Hotel.
Just after checking in, I called this lovely girl ([url]http://www.elitegirls.nu/girl.htm?idgirl=8875&n=4[/url]), and asked her to come to my hotel for two hours ($400). She arrived 30min ago, after having called me back in my room to confirm location. I picked her up in the lobby, absolutely no problem with security.
She is as beautiful as on the picture, with very nice (enhanced) breasts. She is quite talkative and in happy mood. I'm not sure if she speaks English, however (I spoke only Russian with her). She really enjoy sex, and give great covered blowjob. I highly recommend her; she stayed 3 hours of intense sex (so one hour more than agreed), and didn't ask for any tip, or even taxi money.
I was a total mess, and wanted to sleep, but she asked me to walk her out. Of course, I complied, and as you'll see I didn't regret it...
Walking out of the lift, the stunning blonde on my arm, crossing the bar to go to the lobby, I saw two model type girls obviously waiting for customers. They locked me in the eyes while I was passing. I think I also got the attention of all men, difficult to keep low profile with such a girl on your arm.
I kissed the blonde goodbye, and went back to my room. I had to cross the bar again, and of course, I stopped, and sat with the two girls...
They work as model/high class escort, half time in London. $500 each/hour. High price, but also stunning girls, above of what you can see in Night Flight for instance.
Night seem to be slow, so I negociate $300 each and we went to my room, under the same envious glaze of the other men, who were surely asking themselves why they didn't move first...
I had great time with the two, but I felt a real connection with one, so I politely sent back the other after first round, to enjoy more intimity. A real nice experience! The girl stayed until morning, so I gave her $100 tip.
Next day (Friday evening), I wanted some rough action, so I decided to go in strip club Rasputin (the most expensive of the city, where is supposed to be the best girls). I was ready to get some, $3000 in my pocket, and in a mood to get the hell of 4 or 5 girls in the VIP suite room.
Unfortunately, I was really disappointed by the girls there, couldn't find any I really like (Many 7 or 8, but not any 9 or 10, in my opinion). The girl from yesterday (the one who stayed until morning) called me, so I decided to head back to the hotel for a nice GFE night.
On Saturday, after having spending all day shopping and burning my Platinum card, I thought that a normal night in normal clubs would do fine. Someone told me about "Propaganda", a place supposed to be full of pretty girl ready for adventures. So I headed there around 23h. Bummer. Really not my style of place! Full of students, girls dressed with jeans, people drinking beer, and not any shiny model type in sight. Average beauty of the girls: 5-6. I went out in a hurry and headed to First, an Elitny klub near Hotel Kempinsky. Bummer again. Face control denied me. If you don't have the connection, you can't enter, and agitating my $20K Bulgari watch couldn't help.
I headed to Fabrique, which is 15min away by foot. No problem to enter there, it's more like a semi-elitny klub. Packed with girls, 7-8 average, but not any real stunners. After 7 vodkas, girls were not so bad after all... I scouted the place, located the most beautiful who were not too obviously escorted by big Russian guy, and picked them up one by one to bring them in the VIP place (to get there, it's $100 per person, so for each girl, I just paid $100 so they can sit with me). With this strategy, no one refused to follow me (who wouldn't want to be on the VIP area and scoff at others girls?). I had 6 girls with me, and I have to say I lost a little bit track of the things. I know I ordered a lot of food and a lot of bottles... I also know I kissed a lot of girls, and made other frenchkiss together for me. At around 7AM, I was really done, didn't want anything more and went home alone. You may think I'm crazy, but I had much more fun doing this Oligarsh style party than taking any girls home with me. I think it costed me around $1500 in total. I have also 6 phone numbers of girls, but I can't remember who is who, and anyway I'm sure that sober they wouldn't excite me so much.
On the Sunday, after having passed out all day on the bed, I was a little bit in a slow mood. I went to Night Flight to check out the action there. Around 30 girls and a few guys. I discussed with 2 or 3 girls who seemed to be the hottest, and wondered about making a porno-like session in hotel, but I was so down and tired that I passed.
Girl from first night called me, and told me to join her to Garage, a club 5 min from Night Flight. It was a benediction for me, and I left Night Flight for Garage. There a very funny situation: face control denies me! "Only members tonight". Of course, this is bullshit, this is Sunday evening, the place is almost empty, and they let in total wasted people. Regaining my spirits, I say, ok I have my member card, look! And I give the guy 500 rubbles. He didn't take them, look at me, and say "walk away". A real nut case! So of course, I walk away... And then his phone rings, and he gets busy in a conversation. So I wait that he is not paying attention to me anymore, and I enter. Total nonsense!
Inside, there are more people than what I thought, dancing on the sound of R&B music. Some girls, but young and not too glamour... I wait for my girl, and we go out to Galeria to eat something nice.
On Monday evening, I check out strip club Dolls, but place is dead, and girls are far from being stunning. I go back to the hotel and decide to spend the night watching DVDs. Can't take sex anymore.
Great report Psychonaut, you are a money-burning psycho!
Sounds like you found what you were looking for on day one and then experienced a bit of frustration... lucky for you had gotten such a hot contact on day 1. One of the best things about having a great girl is the looks you get from the other guys... priceless!
I won't go into the whole money/price issue, obviously you spent way more money than most ISG members would or probably could, but that's your biz. After a couple of days in Moscow I also catch myself considering $100 mere pocket change... that's Moscow life in the fast lane. For mere mortals the fast lane is a bit too fast, me included. After 4 or 5 days I have to get out of that town before I go completely broke! I envy you for your oligarch night out, even if I would have spent $1500 on other things than plates of fresh fruit and bacardi colas. But hey, carpe diem semper fi.
Just a couple of comments on the clubs you mentioned.
Propaganda: probably the best prop night is Thursday, but it generally does attract a studenty crowd on all nights. Plenty o babes in my opinion, but it does also draw a lot of semi-bohemian types as well, which generally aren't very sexy. As for jeans, jeans are very popular in all levels of the club scene from student to rocker to elite. Russian girls wear them well as far as my eyes can tell, although some Russian girls are actually too skinny for jeans. Imagine that. Almost next door to Prop is Club XIII, which supposedly has gotten quite good. You went at 2300h... that's pretty much too early for any club. Often early in the night the less than beautiful girls go out hoping to get past face control before the club fills and face control gets stricter. Prop may have improved by 3am. It's also the semi-elite category.. has face control, but you'll get in.
First: club card is ALMOST a must there.. thankfully I have one. Kind of a waste on me though, because I never liked that club much and rarely go. :)
Fabrique: Great club with passable face control, especially for expats. I personally find the girls there very fuckable... but I seem to find fuckable girls at almost any club, guess my screening process is more "demokratichny"... You summed the place up well, thanks for the view inside the VIP area...
Garazh: Can be a bi$ch to get into on certain nights. Garazh is well-known as an in-club for Moscow elite youth on non-trad club nights like Sunday. Also a good place to go when all other clubs are dying out, sometimes Garazh has a good vibe into the wee morning hours. When I say young crowd I mean the real younglings. Especially on r'n'b night, it packs in a crowd of young rich kids and not-so-rich kids tagging along with their rich friends. Must be even worse now that B-Club closed. I have never done very well there in terms of picking up these young girls, they seem too involved in their own clique-ish world to care. Don't feel bad about getting faced there... it can happen almost anywhere. As for bribing face control, I have rarely seen it work successfully with anyone. You are either in or you're out.
Psychonaut...Great post...you livin a mongers's dream....NO LIMIT to anything :D can't wait for your next post..atleast sitting in my house....I can dream your Mr.Bond lifestyle :)
No matter if you have any disagreement with any aspect of Psychonaught's methodolgy or approach to the mongering life, or not - his memorable words will ring true to every monger, in every land as the truth: "After 7 vodkas, girls were not so bad after all... "
Could be a byline for ISG. :-))
Excellent.
Big Bro AJ:
Just read this in the recent Exile, I think it solves the mystery of your missing Jack Daniels...
"Behind Russia's Dry Spell
"A few weeks, a month tops, and then the imported booze would start flowing again." That's what everyone assumed on July 1st, when the new excise law regulating imported booze came into effect and liquor shelves emptied overnight. Little did they know that the situation was much more fucked up...
That's because the new law didn't just call for a new excise tax sticker to be put on all wine and alcohol bottles. It was much bolder than that. It called for the most sophisticated government regulatory system than Russia has ever seen. one that would be able to track the history of every single bottle of booze in the country at any given moment. It also forced importers to buy the scanners and computers needed to upload information to a central system, bottle by bottle, for instant tracking.
The idea must have had Russian bureaucrats drooling; July 1st would be remembered as the day of Russia's first truly centralized database came online!
One thing they didn't expect is that the moment of their triumph would be labeled "Black Saturday." The day the good booze died. On that day, stores, restaurants and bars had to return their entire stock of imported alcohol to the wholesalers from which they bought them. Even now, more than a month after the new law took effect, the good shit is still nowhere to be seen.
Initially, we at Kompromat Korner thought conspiracy. There was just no way all that alcohol disappeared unintentionally. Russian alcohol manufacturers were the only guys in town that could supply the product, and they're making a killing. Someone must've been taking a cut of that action... But no. When the dust settled, it turned out to be much less interesting.
The law's intent was good enough. It was supposed to combat corruption and clamp down on excise avoidance. But just ask Chernomyrdin what happens when you try to make something better in Russia. This time, two familiar problems got in the way: incompetence and greed.
According to Bolshoi Gorod, the law was fast-tracked thru the Duma in order to keep up with the national ban on Moldovan and Georgian wine. To make matters worse, the contract to develop EGAYS (the database's acronym) was awarded to an FSB IT organization called Atlas. According to its website, Atlas had its hand in pretty much every electronic government system in the country since the 1950's.
Surprisingly, they managed to set it up. A month after the law came into effect, EGAYS is up and running, not smoothly, but still running. The problem is at the consumer level: it's almost impossible to obtain the hardware needed to plug into the EGAYS system. The problem is not so much that the Atlas-designed barcode scanners cost 50,000 euros as the fact that Atlas only employs two people for the entire Moscow region. Yep. Two people are qualified to install, certify and service the equipment for a city of 12 million registered hard drinkers. You do the math.
Vedmosti calculated that developing the database cost Atlas about $127 million. In return, it would make about $239 million annually from a fee built into the new excise law. Nearly a 100% return on investment isn't bad for a first year in business, doubly so for a government entity. But since it's got no fear of losing the contract, Atlas doesn't see any reason to share the wealth, or even work competently. So what if Russia's entire alcohol import industry hangs on by the skin of its delirium-tremens teeth.
According to industry insiders, the situation should resolve itself by the end of September. By then, they should have the bugs out of the tracking software and hardware and it'll be installed by all importers that haven't gone bankrupt. But here's the real kicker: when the imported booze does come back online, it may be 30% more expensive than before, since it'll be much harder to avoid the taxes.
Still, it could've been worse. The first draft of the new excise law called for the wholesale destruction of all alcohol tagged with the old excise stamps. 100-year-old cognacs, fine whiskies and vintage wines would have been bulldozed at a charge of 20 rubles per bottle to the paid to the Russian government."
Some imported wine is starting to reappear on shelves in SPB. Don't know about Moscow.
The wierd thing is that the wines which appeared first were the crappy non vintage style "Vino Tinto", "Vino Rosso", "Vino de Casa" type wines. These were imports so I assume they are subject to the same cert issue, regardless of the fact that they are crappy wines. For the life of me I don't know why they were the first back on the shelf.
I must say, I am highly grateful to the Russians for manufacturing cheap "champagne". Most of the Russian girls think its a treat so you can dish it out and not go broke. "Oh, you want champanska. No problem"
Personally, I don't care much for champagne period. I do know, I'm not going to splurge for imported French champagne ever again. I had a week of revelry with a lady back at New Years and she asked me to get some French champagne. So I bought a bottle of Peiper Heisdeck, somewhere above $60, can't recall exactly. And I bought a backup bottle of russian/ukrainen champanska.
Anyway, later I unveil the "great" French champagne. Pour our glasses and toast. She says "Ugh. This is not French champagne. This is Russian". I'm no connouseur but I have had enough champagne to know it tasted the same as any other French champagne I have had in the states. I tried to assure her that it was French, but she assumed it was forgery. Needless to say she gladly drank it and the crappy champansky bottle too.
Dear Friends,
I’ve seen that one of the most problems of all, when getting in Russia, is getting a fair price for an hotel. (and not only for that). Often central located rooms are priced ricoulously at 500/700 USD in a western five star, around 250/400 in a Russian run one. Even at the agencies the price are high. And it’s not only that. Monstrous telephone charges and crazy prices for everything. Last time I was at National, no Russian draught beer, only western, and 500 RUR (15.50 Euro!), just for a beer!! Somewhere it’s even worse.
Look at [url]http://www.tourintel.ru/online/gethotellist.asp[/url] it’s a post soviet tourist agency, and you can compare the prices, mind that company discounts for chains are much lower in Russia, specially in Moscow… so getting a Hyatt at 600/800 USD for a week, plus all extras, means that your bill will go around 5.500-6.500, not eating all the days at their restaurant, for a week. I have no economic problems, but I do not want to waste the money as a lot do in Moscow like 700 USD for an hotel room which should cost 200, 60 USD for a two way taxi to a restaurant, which should cost 15, and a meal for two for 200 USD! Or even worse 400 USD for two hour with a girl… for 500 USD you should get a real good night (12-14 hours) with a model type teen, nearly a Playboy girl!
So instead, taking down the cost on hotels, I prefer to take suites, fully equipped, at Izmailovo Delta-Gamma (approx 170 USD), but if you are on budget you can get doubles with queen bed for approx 70-80. Look at [url]www.izmailovo.ru[/url] , but never go in the cheap rooms… for DOGS!
You can buy the hotels both from Akademservice and Intourist (they both have an office in Delta lounge), and other agencies, but I recommend one of this two or directly the hotel in the site. Telephone is free (local) and international cheap, just give 1.000 RUR in deposit
Usually you get all the things you should get, even a PC and internet, a fax, and so on, except a minibar (they are just starting), you have to fill your own your fridge. But this is not a problem on ground the things I like, usually, are not in the normal fridges… like normal Russian beer, dried calamari or some salmon or even sausages, pickles, and some good vodka (Russian Standard Platinum or Stolichnaya Zavod Crystall), and some juice, and Borjomi, or Narzan or even Essentuki water.
Girls
So, first of all to get a girl up to you have to deal with security, between 7.00 to 23.00 they must let up anybody with proper documents (registered)… this is good so they will not steal anything from you… Otherwise, just give discretely a tip of 1.000 RUR (per girl, if you have two it’s 2.000) to the elevator guard. The best is to register the girl as a guest and pay breakfast… As I do with my sponsored ones, no problem…
So what you will find here in the area?
Izmailovo Gamma-Delta
A full of choice breakfast (but mind it’s not a five star, mostly Russian food) but if you want five fried eggs nobody will say anything. A good shop for filling the fridge (at the end of the Gamma Lobby), some cash machines, a good Sauna with pool (Gamma 6-16 Elevator Lobby), a couple of good bars where you can se the traffic in the Lobby (in total I think that bars and restaurants are more than 20), and the Amazonas and Pantera (24h) with nice food. Of course there are two Pharmacies, all Viagra, Cialis types, and at least 10 types of condoms (!!!).
Outside
Going in the metro station Partisanskaya direction you will find the Alfa on your left and the other two blocks on your left. There is a low building with shops.
Funny thinks, coming from Delta, the first is a Karaoke, perhaps the only bar in whole Russian Federation not serving (not always) vodka! But there is a real Pharmacy (with all you can need), and some food shops, good the red caviar, the salmon, and the smoked good, not, of course the black caviar, for 500 RUR, (they call it surogatiy, coming from Italian word, meaning fake). You will find also a change booth, and in the rear of it a sex shop, with big signs INTIM (a little bit expensive but…useful, especially for handcuffs and butt plugs… you do not want the customs guys to see them!). In the same little block there is a Sushi Restaurant, the best of the area. Expensive, but quite good. Last time I was there with Valentina.
If you go straight on you get to a small circular, with a dome, shopping complex, in the middle food shops, in the other corridors and at the 2nd floor clothe shops. Some of these are, I suppose, shops for girls working in Nights! ;) you will find the most crazy shoes like zebra made high heels, and so on, take you girl friend there! And have some fun in the night!! Like real Private Lap Dance (use the room table!
Vernissage
In the other direction you will find the vernissage, and then the market, I think you can go there and walk for a day without seeing the same things… Mind that the souvenirs are usually half price that in the city, and the shashlik is good…
Just go around… If you like markets, just go around and do not be afraid.
Girls Inside…
You can sure find some from the security staff in Delta-Gamma (100 USD/hour… too expensive)
There are some in the lobby (Delta-Gamma), nothing exceptional and no GFE at all, they have taximeter.
Admiral Night in Alpha hotel… not my style, just paying a lot for lap dances, I’m for fuck instead…
No live in the other three hotel blocks lobbies…
Note
If you get here you should have your own way to get girls… otherwise the security or the taxis, just in front of the Russian fast food near the metro will overcharge you monstrously. The chance to get a freebie is close to zero…
Note 2
Best option in Izmailovo is that you can go around the lobby, at a bar, or even at breakfast with a teen, with the risk of meeting a friend or a colleague! ;)
The business persons here are mostly Asian and Russian, very few Europeans, even if the hotel have all you need and you are in 20 min in the red square (by metro not by taxi).
But mind NEVER TAKE THE CHEAP ROOMS!!! FOR DOGS!!!
Bye
IT
[QUOTE=Victoria2005]Dear, the friend you so well praise This Hotel. In June after your advertising, many guys called to me from this Hotel and asked to arrive girls. All have refused to go. This Hotel is in the remote area of city, much Azerbaijanians live in this Hotel. People who trade in the markets, stop in This Hotel. This Hotel not for international people, not for tourists too. Even after repair This complex wishes to be better. Do not mislead guys. This Hotel-vestige of the past. Beside there is no good supermarket, only cheap tents with poor-quality alcohol.
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I guess real men don't stay at Gamma Delta; real men stay at Hyatt :-))))
Disclaimer: I've never stayed at the Delta so I can't vouch for it. But I find Victoria's comment amusing and I'm sure we've all been lectured by Russian women on what a "real man" should do :-)))) Ans:$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dear Victoria,
I well know that some girls, not all, do not want to go to Izmailovo, mostly on ground they will be registered… before 23.00
For the rest… In the markets in the area you will find the same selection of drinks (and in the menu too) that you find everywhere, like Russian Standard, Martini, Jack Daniels, or whatever. The shops are just small, I mean the outside ones…
When I get to an Hotel I want some comfort, etc. And I do not want to meet colleagues, competitors of friends. As I told you basic rooms are for Dogs.
But if you go
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=471670&postcount=924[/url]
you can see mine pics of Izmailovo room… of course Ikea style furniture.. but quality for price.
Dear CharlieH, I agree with you, why do all the Russian girls think that all westerners have to stay at Hyatt, Kempinski or so on, as told If you stay a week, with all the extras it will be around 5.000 USD :(
The room I take in Izmailovo, closer to where I have to go and work, for a week, with a lot of extras, will cost around 1.500 USD… so I can put 3.500 on fun (!). ;)
I do not understand, but perhaps the fun is just waste money and show the others you are doing so… :( I think understatement is an important thing in life... ;) You can do things but why to "communicate" them to everybody?
Really CharlieH I can’t believe why lot of Russian, specially girls, have this ideas, I have of the noticed that (I’m not speaking of pros, but normal Russian) I know Moscow better than them, know better different kinds of Russian products, and sometimes even Russian History.
The funniest was a girl (Iriska, office secretary, speaking a passable English), 22, and she did not know who Gagarin was… simply unbelievable. I mean… it’s a different way of life: MTV on all the day, ad show the others how much money you have, wasting it… but when you are 60? Or you will retire… My account is going on the company, but I treat company money better tan mine!!!
Sorry if sometime I’m polemic, but I’m in Russia and the East since 1980, and thre are still things I can’t belive.
PS. By the way I do not any advertising, and the Delta-Gamma (I do not mean Alfa, or the other blocs) is always full of foreigners, Asian, American and European.
IT
IT Travel:
If I were a wh0re I would rather bang some guy in the Hyatt for $500 than travel all the way out to Ismailovo for $200. I think the reasons are obvious. C'est la vie.
I am absolutely with you in terms of trying to save money etc., but for the pros, there are definite advantages in seeking high-spending businessman clients on company accounts staying in luxury hotels vs. penny-pinching tourists who have to watch how much they spend. No offense, I also have to watch what I spend, even if in Moscow it is impossible to stay within budget.
Let's face it, there is nothing fair nor will there ever be anything fair about male-female, man-woman, boy-girl or wh0re-client relations.
I really apologize for repeatedly using the word wh0re, but sometimes that's exactly what they are.
As for regular girls, they by no means expect all foreigners to be rich guys staying at the Hyatt or SwissOtel or Kempinski or wherever, but guys with money definitely appeal to most girls in one way or another. In military geo-political terms we call it power projection, and cash allows you to project your power into most aspects of the inter-sexual game... image, presents, holiday trips, respect... cash goes a long way.
Those areas that are uninfluenced by relative wealth, such as honor, compassion, intelligence, dignity or personality... will often never even enter into the final score if you haven't at least got enough cash power to get your foot in the door.
I'm not trying to paint a bleak picture and have met dozens of girls whose primary interest is NOT money... honest girls who prefer romantic quiet cafes to expensive restaurants, don't mind riding the metro and like to spend evenings at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to glam money-obliterating clubs to show off to their friends... but I have met many more who are obsessed with expensive clothes, holiday vacations and riding in style in the back of somebody's Merc. That's an international phenomenon, it is just more extreme in Moscow than most places, probably due to Russia's recent history and Moscow's spectacular wealth.
This obsession doesn't have to be our enemy though, in the end, it can be our friend.
In less-image obsessed societies such as Germany, it is a lot more difficult for guys 30+ years of age to find 18-20 year old girls willing to date/fuck them. In Russia, it's not difficult at all.
The glass isn't half empty, it's half full.
Just my 2 bits...
I can completely agree with you, but there is even other things… There are thousand and thousand of pros wh0res in Moscow… simply they can’t get all a “bed and fuck” in a western hotel. It’s a matter of statistics!
Of course You are right, but I must say that I’m trying to say the truth… the opposite as Victoria did in the last report here… look at the end… And I’m trying to respect anybody… and not say they that they are stupid and are foreigners and cant understand Russia…, Sorry but I think I do it more than most Russians. It’s not to be unfair, it’s just to look around.
Just for clarifying… for the same (ugly in my opinion) single at Kempinsky or Sheraton, you can get a nice and big suite at Sovietsky (approx 400-500 USD), why not. The atmosphere is completely different and you are not a Postal Wrapped Box from one room to the other, all exactly the same in all the world, with same breakfast, the same dessed guy, and the same smile saying you are welcome! The difference is that I easily can get a week (six nights) at Sheraton in Rio (I mean in Brazil) for 1.230 USD (Executive suite, with a nice view on the sea and on the strand, the only hotel on the strand in Rio, breakfast and all taxes included). In Moscow, and the Sheraton in Moscow is NOT located like the one in Rio, the same room (Executive suite, nice view on Tverskaya traffic) costs 3.480 USD (18% VAT excluded). No comment. Same buying system, same dates, low season for both.
The other thing is the perception you have with sponsored girls, is the same with wh0res, just a little bit different… They all drink energy drinks (! What hell do they think they do… they just give a lot of money to good marketing companies, yes they contain “taurin”, the teein in a dark Russian tea is surely more exciting); they all love sushi, but then you offer a sushi dinner… we can say 7.5/8.0 sushi quality, after two minutes they say it’s to much and they will be sick… Even worse if you try to get them to eat sashimi how it should be eaten… The answer will be immediately it’s frozen, It’s not fresh I can’t eat this. Coming from a couple of fisherman lands, I suggest that in most cases frozen is the most fresh fish… in any case this was not frozen.
The reality is simply that they do not like it (so I can eat two portions! ;) ) , they order it to be “a la page”, and it’s just that. Russia is a rich country, but money is divided in a very bad way. Young people seem that they have never been poor… I have been learned…, living in a “rich country”: “Take everything you want, but eat everything you take and think to people who can’t take anything”. I have never seen in my life wasting so much food like in Russia.
The incredible then is that no one knows where to buy real fresh caviar (I mean Ikra, unpacked, and boxed at the moment)… which is, as well known, the most luxurious food in the world… but it’s Russian. If it were German you can be sure there all will know where to buy it. By the way at the fish banks in the market (I can go there, but the address I suppose is in Malaja Pirogovskaja ul.) near the Novodevici monastery. Approx 2.300 RUR for 100 g for beluga not pasteurized. Less for others. The same with some Russian sweets and jams, absolutely at international standard… but they are Russian, not Trendy.
I know that this have nothing to do with hotel standards… but it takes out a mentality, a way of thinking. Quite different. Now I have money so I can waste it at all. You just need 10 minutes in the shopping mall in the manhez square for understanding this.
I have even some colleagues that are choosing restaurants on ground they are Trendy or not, it does not matter what you get in your plate, then they speak for hours to others telling a lot of things on the restaurant… lights, waiters, tables, service, decoration, noting on food!
I have a name… it’s simply called MTV generation (sorry to them it’s not their fault) generation. To seem not to be.
I think it’s all, I’ll not go longer in this kind of discussions… expressing no culture respect.
I will just sample here some of the things Victoria is saying… and I’m very sad for her.
"In June after your advertising, many guys called to me from this Hotel and asked to arrive girls. All have refused to go." Sorry for that, but first of all I do no advertising, then there are lots of agencies and girls happy to serve you in Izmailovo! By the way it's also perhaps I never by for the hour but only nights.
“…This Hotel is in the remote area of city…” Surely not true, 18 min with metro to Red Square, of course with the Moscow traffic 1 hour with taxi… I never use taxis in Moscow (just a couple of times in the last two-three years). I have no time for that, I’m not rich enough… I must work all the day, not sit in a bloody car stuck in a traffic congestion.
“…much Azerbaijanians live in this Hotel…” I’m not racist ! Perhaps its true, but most Azerbaijanians are working there, bars, cleaning, security, etc. The only people which I had problems, where drunk British (you know young college graduated going for an alcoholic vacation to Russia, with the cost of a Pint, you buy a bottle of vodka…) In any case too drunk to enjoy girls. Militia was taking care of them.
“People who trade in the markets, stop in This Hotel.” What’s wrong with this… so long they do not disturb customers and have money to pay the bill it’s OK. I have been trading too, not in the market, but, sincerely, I do not understand the difference.
“This Hotel not for international people, not for tourists too.” Sorry but is widely sold, in 1st class or even Business class room types, not standard ones, unrenovated since 1979. Good value for money, sold by the two biggest Russian tour operators, Akedamservice and Intourist (they both have offices there too). In summer it’s packed with tourist from all over Europe, I have personally seen lots of French, British, Italian, Spanish, Japanese and Americans, just for speaking on major countries.
“Even after repair This complex wishes to be better. Do not mislead guys. This Hotel-vestige of the past. Beside there is no good supermarket, only cheap tents with poor-quality alcohol.”
Sorry Victoria, but you are too young, in the past it was really bad… now, a part, is much better. In any case we need no supermarket… why should we? We are just living in a hotel. I can ensure you that the alcohol I drink usually is not stored in supermarkets, some times I find it, at (I use the old name) Gastronom n°1 (who knows Russia knows on what I’m speaking), or at the internal shop at Zavod Cristall… In any case the shpping centre with the dome, where you have “special” clothe shops, has a good sortment of any type of food, beware only on black caviar…
For making a long thing short… If I would like a nice dinner in Moscow I surely will not go to Marriot, Sheraton or whatever… but perhaps to the (small and romantic) mirror hall in Yar, or to the Central House of Writers (I can ensure you that the bill of the Kempinski covers just the aperitif), or even to a very good restaurant found on ul. Petrovka, just before the monastery on the opposite site. Wonderful fish and mushrooms! All is Russian.
Sorry if I’m a little bit cruel but I hate superficiality in such things…
IT
IT Travel:
Ooops... I hope my use of the word wh0re doesnt become a habit, it really is a pretty ugly word and certainly doesnt apply to all the pros we meet... :)
I'll switch back to using the word "pro"... I was trying to make a point, and I think we got the point across. As much as we glorify mongering, it is most often a simple business deal.
Your tirade regarding the deculturization of Russia meets with open ears IT, there is a lot of truth to it. But we both know it is futile as well, we aren't going to be able to change anything, certainly not stop globalization and superficial capitalism-fueled progress. Besides, it pays the bills.... as far as I am concerned the Russians should spend spend spend... :)
It isnt only the "MTV generation" phenomenon at fault, IMHO it is also the general character and mentality of "New Russians" and the "Golden Youth". Their way of life, their spending habits, their outlook on life have rubbed off on many average Russians as well. In a sense, it is a corruption of culture, a replacement of real values with material ones. The entire American HipHop culture, which was once a form of earnest political expression, has been corrupted into a platform worshipping bling bling, 22" chrome rims and anything shiny and superficially valuable. But just as American parents won't change the way their children behave, or Japanese parents bemoan the fact that they cant stop their children from eating McDonalds instead of sushi, Russians also observe their country heading in a direction that is superficially progressive and outwardly glamorous (especially when compared to Soviet times and the Yeltsin era) but ultimately erodes some of their cultural makeup. It isnt only Russia, the same phenomenon exists everywhere to a degree.
(By the way, some of the best caviar now comes from Iran and not Russia since Russian "entrepreneurs" have hopelessly and illegally overfished their sturgeon supply. If things continue, Russia will have no caviar left and be forced to buy it from Iran.)
P.S.: Before I start sounding like a crusader for the return of generic products and quiet Sundays at home knitting sweaters for my cousins living on the farm kollektiv, I also like energy drinks and glam fashion, so I guess I am one of the lost MTV generation, finding what's left of my golden youth in the arms of and between the legs of Russian club girls... :)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IT Travel:
Ooops... I hope my use of the word wh0re doesnt become a habit, it really is a pretty ugly word and certainly doesnt apply to all the pros we meet... :)
I'll switch back to using the word "pro"... I was trying to make a point, and I think we got the point across. As much as we glorify mongering, it is most often a simple business deal.
Your tirade regarding the deculturization of Russia meets with open ears IT, there is a lot of truth to it. But we both know it is futile as well, we aren't going to be able to change anything, certainly not stop globalization and superficial capitalism-fueled progress. Besides, it pays the bills.... as far as I am concerned the Russians should spend spend spend... :)
It isnt only the "MTV generation" phenomenon at fault, IMHO it is also the general character and mentality of "New Russians" and the "Golden Youth". Their way of life, their spending habits, their outlook on life have rubbed off on many average Russians as well. In a sense, it is a corruption of culture, a replacement of real values with material ones. The entire American HipHop culture, which was once a form of earnest political expression, has been corrupted into a platform worshipping bling bling, 22" chrome rims and anything shiny and superficially valuable. But just as American parents won't change the way their children behave, or Japanese parents bemoan the fact that they cant stop their children from eating McDonalds instead of sushi, Russians also observe their country heading in a direction that is superficially progressive and outwardly glamorous (especially when compared to Soviet times and the Yeltsin era) but ultimately erodes some of their cultural makeup. It isnt only Russia, the same phenomenon exists everywhere to a degree.
(By the way, some of the best caviar now comes from Iran and not Russia since Russian "entrepreneurs" have hopelessly and illegally overfished their sturgeon supply. If things continue, Russia will have no caviar left and be forced to buy it from Iran.)
P.S.: Before I start sounding like a crusader for the return of generic products and quiet Sundays at home knitting sweaters for my cousins living on the farm kollektiv, I also like energy drinks and glam fashion, so I guess I am one of the lost MTV generation, finding what's left of my golden youth in the arms of and between the legs of Russian club girls... :)[/QUOTE]
As usual you are completely right (only one misstake... but I'll come later) I know there is nothing to do just 22" chrome wheels like "pimp my ride"! :D
By the way I act so because often I feel (perhaps my fault) to be treated like a stupid, poor and cheap foreigner that must be crazy… American vodka is better than Russian or Swedish one (!) That’s the reason for my tirade, but I hope readers understand what I’m meaning.
But for making long things short, I’ve been travelling (not mongering my god!) in Iran too… finding caviar is more difficult than finding a bottle of original Russian Cristall in Tehran… By the way the one they sell at (crazy prices) Tehran International is … bleah!, seems like Romanian Caviar (from Danube…)… better the surrogate…
The Iranian one you find abroad is still the best but at 300/350 € per 100 g it’s madness… for a oscetra which costs in Russia (fresh) 40 E or less…
By the way I was just joking some minutes at the PC, I was looking to the incredible stuff of pics of MT (in Kiev I mean)… I’ll soon be there, I phoned her, she is there. I hope I’ll relax with her some days… a normal girl… pardon Doc a normal wh0re!
Bye
IT
PS
If you like I’ll put the links to all the MT pics on the forum and some more ones, before I go (if I meet her I’ll get at least 100). :D
[QUOTE=It Travel]
The funniest was a girl (Iriska, office secretary, speaking a passable English), 22, and she did not know who Gagarin was… simply unbelievable. IT[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's the sort of girls who agree to go to Izmailovo ;))))) How do you manage to dig them out? Seems to be hard.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]Yeah, that's the sort of girls who agree to go to Izmailovo ;))))) How do you manage to dig them out? Seems to be hard.[/QUOTE]
I know Helena, It’s a problem… In any case I’m not with this girl trying to get a fiancée or a wife… How shall I say, I just fuck them! :)
I know it sounds cynic, but sometimes I even get girls not even speaking English at all, I go on with my basic Russian, some are not so… for improving her English, my friend (Piggy no pants) was reading the Master and Margarita in English (she well known it in Russian).
Frankly I think that the girls are of the level you pay them, normally, not there they go… But of course all are opinions… I’ve being meeting different Russian girls and women with incredible culture, but they do other jobs! They use brain instead of body.
Bye Helena
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]I know Helena, It’s a problem… In any case I’m not with this girl trying to get a fiancée or a wife… How shall I say, I just fuck them! :)
IT[/QUOTE]
I love this honest answer ;))
[QUOTE=It Travel]
I’ve being meeting different Russian girls and women with incredible culture, but they do other jobs! They use brain instead of body.
IT[/QUOTE]
Some people use both, IT ;). You can't judge.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]I love this honest answer ;))
Some people use both, IT ;). You can't judge.[/QUOTE]
Sorry Helena, but I always say what I'm thinking... It's easy. :)
Bye
IT
Very sorry...
but I'm in Russia for business... otherwise I'll be in Rio. :) No question on that...
Hotels (not for saying what some are thinking); Climate, Food, Girls; Prices.
But first of all the treatment, wherever it is with a wh0re or in a five star... but it's very far.
Sorry for that but... It's what I'm thinking.
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]Very sorry...
but I'm in Russia for business... otherwise I'll be in Rio. :) No question on that...
Hotels (not for saying what some are thinking); Climate, Food, Girls; Prices.
But first of all the treatment, wherever it is with a wh0re or in a five star... but it's very far.
Sorry for that but... It's what I'm thinking.
IT[/QUOTE]
IT, who cares? Relax.
By the way, you posted a lot of girls' pictures. Shall we ever see your own? ;))
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]IT, who cares? Relax.
By the way, you posted a lot of girls' pictures. Shall we ever see your own? ;))[/QUOTE]
I do not think ISG readers are interested... in my naked pics!
Perhaps you could see me ;)
Bye
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]
I’ve been travelling (not mongering my god!) in Iran too… finding caviar is difficult … By the way the one they sell at (crazy prices) Tehran International is … bleah!, seems like Romanian Caviar (from Danube…)… better the surrogate…
The Iranian one you find abroad is still the best but at 300/350 € per 100 g it’s madness… for a oscetra which costs in Russia (fresh) 40 E or less…
[/QUOTE]
Just paid 2500 ruble, ($92), for a 4 ounce, (113 grams)
Malossal Astrakhan "A" black caviar. That's the standard
glass dish with the red metal lid, not the blue lid. Bought
at the central bazaar. Priced much higher at the western
style upscale supermarket in the basement of the department
store.
And, no. It wasn't the bait and switch that they scam you in the
bazaar in Kiev. It was legit.
Great stuff! Oily, fishy, and salty, just right. Yum!
Price really doesn't seem that different over the last 6 years
for this size. Duty free in Boryspol prices were always around
$100, when they actually had it in stock.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Just paid 2500 ruble, ($92), for a 4 ounce, (113 grams)
Malossal Astrakhan "A" black caviar. That's the standard
glass dish with the red metal lid, not the blue lid. Bought
at the central bazaar. Priced much higher at the western
style upscale supermarket in the basement of the department
store.
And, no. It wasn't the bait and switch that they scam you in the
bazaar in Kiev. It was legit.
Great stuff! Oily, fishy, and salty, just right. Yum!
Price really doesn't seem that different over the last 6 years
for this size. Duty free in Boryspol prices were always around
$100, when they actually had it in stock.[/QUOTE]
Ok red box is Sevruga, blue is Beluga, yellow is Oscetra.
The price is fine (a little bit too much for pasteurized one, but ok).
Sorry Bez, but I do not understand your meaning... Astrakhan is in Russia. Malossol means "slightly salted"... As said you can still find fresh, and even Imperial one...
Bye (sorry but we are here fot ****?)... By the way licking of some Ikra fom MT's pussy could be an interesing way of eating it! :D
IT
Well I think MT's twat was fishy and greasy enough without adding caviar...
Beluga - Blue tin
Osetra - yellow tin
Sveruga - red tin
[url]http://www.caviar.ru/main_eng.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.caviarrusse.com/caviar_detail.html#1[/url]
I've never understood people who don't like caviar... it's food of the gods...
By the way IT, my point on Iranian caviar was that their government is doing a better job of controlling the harvesting of sturgeon than the Russian government and that if not careful, the Russians will squander their caviar resource by overfishing...
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Well I think MT's twat was fishy and greasy enough without adding caviar...
Beluga - Blue tin
Osetra - yellow tin
Sveruga - red tin
[url]http://www.caviar.ru/main_eng.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.caviarrusse.com/caviar_detail.html#1[/url]
I've never understood people who don't like caviar... it's food of the gods...
By the way IT, my point on Iranian caviar was that their government is doing a better job of controlling the harvesting of sturgeon than the Russian government and that if not careful, the Russians will squander their caviar resource by overfishing...[/QUOTE]
Yes I well know... the fall of the Empire... just two counstries on the Volga and Caspian sea: USSR and Iran, and now? a lot (5) of unguraded... so it's life...
And on MT links... getting back on our major item (pussy) ;)
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]
Sorry Bez, but I do not understand your meaning... Astrakhan is in Russia. Malossol means "slightly salted"... As said you can still find fresh, and even Imperial one...
we are here fot ****... By the way licking of some
IT[/QUOTE]
Hey, I don't know what shit means, I just eat it.
Yellow, blue, red? I try to stick with pink, its
not as fishy, if you know what I mean.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Hey, I don't know what shit means, I just eat it.
Yellow, blue, red? I try to stick with pink, its
not as fishy, if you know what I mean.[/QUOTE]
The **** is a little bit too dry... for comparing it with caviar... the famous MT one is better...
:D :D
IT
This looks like fun and a great place to meet drunk girls...
[url]http://barstars.ru/festival2006/[/url]
I am not trying to start a war or be negative. When I factor in the cost of the hotel and the hassle of the visa, I wonder if it is just better to fly to the Czech Republic. The WSG site has always had very little information on Czech but recently people have been posting more information. Yes, Moscow has more variety and lower prices, but the hotel just messes everything up, unless guys like you are already in Moscow or business anyway. I am sure it easier to get by on English in Czech than in Moscow since you always hear about the drunk Englishmen visiting Czech; these people must be used to speaking English by now. Also, Czech has an AIDS infection rate a lot lower than Moscow according to the CIA database. Sometimes I get an email from some girl in Moscow or St. Petersburg wanting to get married. For women on the lowest end of the pole, they seem to have an attitude. Nearly every Russian I have met in the States or by email overseas seem to have an attitude or seem to be impatient or are liars. I think it must be part of the culture and why the country is the way it is. Just my two cents on the cost comparison. I always use Price Line which works great in the US and in North America but I doubt I can bid 50 for a hotel in Moscow. I wonder why escort prices are so low in Moscow. With hotels at 200-300 a night, where do these girls live during the day. Do they crawl out of some hole to look hot and put a dress on at night?
Just returned from a quick business trip to moscow - went for the tried and tested route.
Day 1 - called Kristina from elite girls (she is still mad as a bat) she sends two young student types - not bad, but nothing special - standard sex, covered etc - prices have gone up though as this agency is now asking $150 for 1 hr
Day 2 - Went to Oh La La - and I can concur with a recent report that this place is pretty dead (thursday evening), but I really hit paydirt here -
Guy #2
It’s nonsense to compare Moscow with other cities. Moscow creates extra ordinary feelings, triggers your senses sharper. Moscow is a prima donna. When you first met her, you were amazed with her strange beauty. You fell gloomy, hot-blooded, excited and curious what you are gone experience. I try to come Moscow once a month, sometimes for the weekend sometimes only couple of days. I have never regret to be here.
Yes, Moscow is expensive.
Yes, it’s hard to find English-speaking locals.
Yes, they don’t like tourists much.
Yes, most of them thinks that cash loaded foreigners are only after sex.
Yes SD is a problem. But, I don’t believe the statistics about the HIV infection rates.
Besides how can you trust CIA after 9/11 and WOMD in Iraq?
No, I have never had visa problems. Even I had serious arguments with Armenians while I was waiting at the line.
No, prices are not low. But you can easily find what you want. Basically everything depends on what you are looking and how far do you willing to go.
I worked and studied in Houston and New Orleans. I had Russian friends some were in low places. You are making a big mistake when you compare those (the ones in US and the ones who sent e-mails) with Moscow girls.
If you don’t like Moscow, go to Prague.
Dear Guy #2
Some Russian are saying that Moscow can be the worst or the best city in the world… just depending on who you are (and your wallet of course). But this is not the Item.
I well understand Moscow, and Russia generally, is not tourist friendly (perhaps with the exception of St. Petersburg). If you do not have some way of Russian thinking, a lot of things you see might be crazy.
The drunk Englishmen (I’ve seen some) are not welcome in Russia, when they get in groups and start doing bad things in hotels (like vomiting on carpets or breaking bottles on the head of security guys) the Militia will take care of them… I suspect they will never get back. I wonder If they can ever get another visa.
By the way the visa has never been a problem, now you can (not so easily) get even permanent ones.
For the hotel… I always say that Moscow is expensive, and use Izmailovo for that, but for 300 USD in central Moscow you do not get much…
By the way as Big Bro is saying you can love Moscow or hate it, usually there is nothing in the middle. Personally I love it (I love the teens too…).
But before comparing it to Prague mind that Prague is just a little medieval European city. Moscow is as big as London and Paris together, have more casinos than Las Vegas (approx 700), and you can find, in the sex world, anything you like… my personal disappointment is that I never managed (occupied, not available when I was there, etc.) to fuck two twins, making even lesbian show (!).
Of course it’s expensive, but the fascination you get in some places is completely unique.
Of course they are learning languages, but there is always this presumption from English speakers, that everywhere they have to speak English… I must say that they do it now in all the places for tourists… but Moscow underground (not the metro!) is for Russians, not for foreigners, for them there are some 50 or 100 ridiculous telephone numbers, belonging I think to not more of 10 agencies, putting out ridiculous girls ad crazy prices: 200/250 USD per hour… and they charge per hour in any case! It would be 2.500 USD for a night. For that money, in Moscow, you can get a luxurious suite in a Russian hotel (600 USD at Sovietsky), a fabulous dinner for three (caviar included, 400 at Yar) and then go to bed with the two best girls from Night Flight (700 USD each). Getting even some pocket money for the taxi and drinks…
If you want more normal... you can do the same, for les than 500-600 in other places and other girls, not so beautiful, but much better fucking! It does not seem so expensive! But it's a real fun ;) !
Bye
IT
Got to the Budapest from Sheremetyevo about 10:30pm. At once I knew I’d made a brilliant (internet) choice. A place of faded elegance, of remembered glory, well situated near the centre of downtown. Loved my room instantly. Spacious, high ceilinged, old furniture, modern bathroom, exhausted but classical carpet, a little coffee maker in the corner, everything just as it looked on the web. All for merely $300 a night.
Unpacked, showered, and went downstairs to look around where I was openly appraised by four young women seated in the lobby. One of them followed me back upstairs to the 2nd floor bar when I went to buy a coke. Tall, blonde, slim, mid 20s, she sat in the corner and eyed me invitingly, and it gave me a chance to look at her athletic body, well dressed in a dark pant suit, but I knew enough not to take the bait at this point.
Back to my room with the coke. Added some rum from the duty free, watched a bit of porn on the Russian TV (amazing – main channel, quite explicit), and after a while went back down to the lobby. Same foursome, same inviting looks, so I walked over and sat down. I learned we had an Alexandra, two Marinas, and a Nadia. All had some English. Alexandra was the one who had followed me earlier, and as we chatted I got quite interested in the combination of her personality and her body.
What do you do, I asked them all. ‘One fifty for hour’ says one of the Marinas. ‘You choose girl, then discuss in your room.’ Got the picture. I was now hot for Alexandra, and took her by the hand. She cuddled me as we went upstairs (absolutely no hassles from the lobby attendant who was ludicrously overdressed like some South American general) and on the way I had a chance to admire her tasteful clothes, long powerful stride, and the sense of a muscular and very tight body.
What do you do, I said again once we got upstairs. “First kiss, then sex, then massage’ she says with a smile. I love kissing I said, and I LOVE sex, and the massage sounds great, but I’d like sex again – cum two times. “OK!” says she, and disappears into the shower, reappearing after 5 minutes wrapped only in the bath towel.
Now this is a tall girl with a super slim body, and I mean almost waif-like with tiny 32A breasts (long tasty nipples) and a waist I could almost span with my two hands. But Alexandra knew what to do with it. She turned and stuck her ass right into my face bending forward in a beautifully athletic position while I tasted the centre of the universe.
Smooth, clean shaven, fresh from the shower, she was deliciously sweet, and just when I was thinking this foreplay wasn’t going to last long (meaning I wasn’t going to last long), she turned again, pushed me back into an armchair and straddled me, keeping those dark Russian eyes locked on mine and wanking me slowly and provocatively just to get my heart rate up, feeding me those miniscule but perfect tits.
On to the bed. This girl could do every position with ease – on her back with legs knifed over her shoulders, cowgirl cantilevered outwards giving me a great view of vulva and breasts, on all fours keeping those smoldering eyes locked on mine in the mirror, she moved with practised and professional pace. It was obviously her routine.
But now the limitations began to appear. No digits, no dfk, no 69. When I tried to turn her over into the soixante-neuf, she pouted. ‘Don’t like!’ When I leaned forward to kiss, it was just a peck. Fingers were pushed out.
Now I respect a girl’s limitations. We’re all honour-bound, it seems to me, to stay within a lady’s comfort zone. Rules of the game. So I obliged her wishes. But I was pissed.
My erotic interest began to wane. She was doing her number for me, but it was clearly what she normally does. A series of regular moves, and now on to the next one. And now you must come. My sense of the session began to shift from high to low power.
Got to the release, but it was tame and mildly unsatisfying (though to be honest, I never had one I didn’t like). Afterwards, we lay on the bed and I got her to teach me some Russian. She gave a pathetic massage, and while I was lying there I thought, shit it’s time to take charge. I had read somewhere on this Forum that Russian women are not North American women. Meaning, there’s a different set of expectations in the male-female game here - a different (earlier to us) way of relating.
A primal awakening took place at this point. I rose and opened her legs and moved on top of her into the 69 I had wanted earlier. No complaints now. Serious tongue on clit from me, and serious mouth from her. For some time. Then I physically moved her back on to the armchair and held her face close to mine while she gave me those smoldering eyes again and a long very hard hand job. And I mean, she worked for that. It was not a comfortable position for her, but she sensed something had happened for me and she went with it. Silent hard work until her muscles must have been aching, and then I just blew everything right over those beautiful shapely perfect little tits without once breaking eye contact. A real professional worker. My admiration for her was as big as my orgasm.
A pleasant evening in this dazzling city where the women look at you with ‘fuck off’ in their erotic slavic eyes.
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Thanks for the responses. I'll visit both Russia and Czech.
I email a while ago about a russian girl I met at the local tit bar I work, now she is email me about me sending money for a lawyer to get a new US visa so she can be with me.
She needs $2000 to pay the lawyer. Everytime she emails me, she sends pictures of her, trying to be sexy or partying. I'm taking every email with a grain of salt, I keep laughing at every email she sends me for money.
Its the russian mentality as the brazilians? They alll think because you are from the USA, you are loaded with money to give away or to be scammed!
I'm gonna keep playing with her thru the email like I did with a nigerian president asking for help in the last spam I got.
Does anybody know if it is possible to buy Viagra, Cialis or similar in for example "apteka" in Moscow. And also what product is best for making you last longer ?
I normally dont have problems to take 3 - 4 rounds with a girl, but the situation is like this: I found a nice young ukranian girl in Moscow with a fantastic body ! ( big rock hard tits and nice tight little body ) I have been with her 2 times, and each time I payed her to stay until morning. But she always talks me into letting her go before morning. Now I am going to Moscow again, and I have decided that I really wanna make her work for the money this time !
So I am thinking about trying some of these drugs, to be able to keep going all night. Also I am a excited to see the effect of these, but I am thinking about maybe just to try half a pill for a start. If anybody has some recommendations I would be happy to hear about it.
Rasman77
wow 2000 USD..let me count 1 2 3 4 6 8 oops !! I can screw as many girls with 2000 bucks...:D yeah I got sick mentality now, the only thing I do when I get my paycheck is count the number of girls with that money :D
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
wow ****!!
I can screw ass.
yeah I mental
the only thing I do when I get my paycheck is **** of girls
[/QUOTE]
Its very refreshing to realize here's one single minded
clear thinking male who evidently has no problem
determining his priorities.
[QUOTE=It Travel]
Guy #2
Moscow the worst or the best depending on you and your wallet.
But to understand Russian thinking, you might be crazy drunk vomiting .
300 USD in central you do not get love teens.
But comparing to Prague London Paris Las Vegas
700 200/250 USD per hour… 2.500 USD for a night.
600 USD 400 700 USD 500-600
other places other girls fucking!
But it's fun!
[/QUOTE]
Of 70 million Russian women, the greediest 5 million
should be found in the capital, leaving 65 million less
greedy to be found somewhere else.
[QUOTE=Rasman77]Does anybody know if it is possible to buy Viagra, Cialis or similar in for example "apteka" in Moscow. And also what product is best for making you last longer ?
I normally dont have problems to take 3 - 4 rounds with a girl, but the situation is like this: I found a nice young ukranian girl in Moscow with a fantastic body ! ( big rock hard tits and nice tight little body ) I have been with her 2 times, and each time I payed her to stay until morning. But she always talks me into letting her go before morning. Now I am going to Moscow again, and I have decided that I really wanna make her work for the money this time !
So I am thinking about trying some of these drugs, to be able to keep going all night. Also I am a excited to see the effect of these, but I am thinking about maybe just to try half a pill for a start. If anybody has some recommendations I would be happy to hear about it.
Rasman77[/QUOTE]
You will find Viagra in every Apoteka in Moscow, specially those in big hotels ;) , with some exception. Also normal ones (on the road) have Viagra and Cialis. No prescriprion is needed anywhere. The Apoteka usually have big assortments of condoms and lubricants! Ad of course different dosages 25, 50 100...
The prices are not standard or fixed: a four tablet Viagra 50 mg goes from 1.900 to 2.500 RUR. I do not remember Cialis.
By the way you find Viagra and Cialis even in the international Hall of SVO Terminal 2 airport, they sell it duty free (of course more expensive than in the city as everything in that airport).
Some suggestions…
A) Viagra is a coated tablet for preserving the chemical from being damaged also from the acids of your stomach, so do not brake it. Use lower dosage (25 mg) for starting.
B) If you have beeing eating , I makke my case, it takes one-two hours aprox. for starting the effect. It lasts from two to four or more, so take it after you have started...
C) Do not mix alcohol (just a beer do not make difference, but some shots of vodka do!) and Viagra (the effects are opposites) so you will easily have a nice red face, and a not so hard and red cock!
If she is a petite with firm tits doing even anal (mandatory) I would be very interested in getting her number, if she is a pro… of course. ;)
Happy Days in Moscow!
IT
Rasman77:
As IT said, Viagra and Cialis are available everywhere in Moscow without prescription or without question.
Cialis is superior to Viagra in nearly every way in my opinion... it usually lasts about 3 days (always take the full pill) and isnt as "mechanical" as Viagra. Cialis is more of a libido-enhancer rather than a "boner-producer" like Viagra. It is the ideal pill if you are going to be doing a lot of fucking over the course of 3 days or so and are worried about being too tired, too drunk or too fucked out to bone your girl. Cialis is your little helper and at least in my experience, has never "let me down". As soon as you start kissing or fondling your girl, you'll get hard. If you are in a more relaxed state, you'll relax. It really is a useful tool when on a sex safari.
Viagra is more for a single event, an emergency failsafe in case you can't get it up at all. In my experience, Viagra simply makes you rock hard and you stay that way for about 2 hours, like it or not. V can also make it difficult to cum, as the sensation seems negatively affected by the pill. I personally never use Viagra anymore. It got me hard and it will turn your tool into a fuck weapon, but it doesnt seem real... it seems very mechanical and ultimately, unsexy. Perhaps taking smaller dosages milden the effect of V, but I wasnt taking more than 25mg... can't imagine what 100mg would do!
If I remember correctly, Cialis costs about $20 a pill and really does work for 3 days. It takes about 90 minutes to take effect. Viagra takes effect after about 45-60 minutes. I forgot the price, but it wasnt prohibitive.
I usually buy all my sex gear at the 36,6 pharmacies which are all over the center. There is one near the McDonalds on Tverskaya for example.
Sushiman:
I personally never send any Russian girls money unless I know them well. I have never been ripped off by one.... but also have never sent them more than $300-400, usually for a plane ticket to come visit me. It always paid off in sex, fun and affection... but then again, I had already met these girls personally.
I couldnt understand from your post, have you actually met the girl? Does she live in the US and just need a lawyer to stay? If so, you could consider making a contract with her or something like that.
As for mentality, men with money are of more value to the girls especially in situations such as hers... so their mentality, however askew, is understandable. Words mean little to a Russian girl, action does. Money allows you to take the kind of action she requires. Basic economics... TINSTFL. There is no such thing as a free lunch. That goes for you, you should make sure it goes for her too. If you do "assist" her, she should be your slave. My gut feeling however tells me that giving any girl that kind of money for a vague service is not going to pay off. Maybe you should talk to her lawyer...
Doc, I fully agree...Cialis is the much better power tool in terms of control...but somehow I got problems if you mixed up with poor russian wodka!
But will check it again next days...
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Rasman77:
As IT said, Viagra and Cialis are available everywhere in Moscow without prescription or without question.
Cialis is superior to Viagra in nearly every way in my opinion... it usually lasts about 3 days (always take the full pill) and isnt as "mechanical" as Viagra. Cialis is more of a libido-enhancer rather than a "boner-producer" like Viagra. It is the ideal pill if you are going to be doing a lot of fucking over the course of 3 days or so and are worried about being too tired, too drunk or too fucked out to bone your girl. Cialis is your little helper and at least in my experience, has never "let me down". As soon as you start kissing or fondling your girl, you'll get hard. If you are in a more relaxed state, you'll relax. It really is a useful tool when on a sex safari.
Viagra is more for a single event, an emergency failsafe in case you can't get it up at all. In my experience, Viagra simply makes you rock hard and you stay that way for about 2 hours, like it or not. V can also make it difficult to cum, as the sensation seems negatively affected by the pill. I personally never use Viagra anymore. It got me hard and it will turn your tool into a fuck weapon, but it doesnt seem real... it seems very mechanical and ultimately, unsexy. Perhaps taking smaller dosages milden the effect of V, but I wasnt taking more than 25mg... can't imagine what 100mg would do!
If I remember correctly, Cialis costs about $20 a pill and really does work for 3 days. It takes about 90 minutes to take effect. Viagra takes effect after about 45-60 minutes. I forgot the price, but it wasnt prohibitive.
I usually buy all my sex gear at the 36,6 pharmacies which are all over the center. There is one near the McDonalds on Tverskaya for example.
Sushiman:
I personally never send any Russian girls money unless I know them well. I have never been ripped off by one.... but also have never sent them more than $300-400, usually for a plane ticket to come visit me. It always paid off in sex, fun and affection... but then again, I had already met these girls personally.
I couldnt understand from your post, have you actually met the girl? Does she live in the US and just need a lawyer to stay? If so, you could consider making a contract with her or something like that.
As for mentality, men with money are of more value to the girls especially in situations such as hers... so their mentality, however askew, is understandable. Words mean little to a Russian girl, action does. Money allows you to take the kind of action she requires. Basic economics... TINSTFL. There is no such thing as a free lunch. That goes for you, you should make sure it goes for her too. If you do "assist" her, she should be your slave. My gut feeling however tells me that giving any girl that kind of money for a vague service is not going to pay off. Maybe you should talk to her lawyer...[/QUOTE]
90% of strippers, whether they be from the US, Russia, Thailand or Mars are only looking for one thing; To separate you from as much of your money as they can with doing as little as they need. I used to/still do date quite a few. Even the 'nice' ones have stories about scamming some loser. If you want to be story fodder for some Russian Cruiser D to chuckle about feel free to send the money.
Her emails fall right into the classic scam category - Need money for passport, ticket, sick relative..etc..etc..etc..
[QUOTE=Sushiman]I email a while ago about a russian girl I met at the local tit bar I work, now she is email me about me sending money for a lawyer to get a new US visa so she can be with me.
She needs $2000 to pay the lawyer. Everytime she emails me, she sends pictures of her, trying to be sexy or partying. I'm taking every email with a grain of salt, I keep laughing at every email she sends me for money.
Its the russian mentality as the brazilians? They alll think because you are from the USA, you are loaded with money to give away or to be scammed!
I'm gonna keep playing with her thru the email like I did with a nigerian president asking for help in the last spam I got.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]90% of strippers, whether they be from the US, Russia, Thailand or Mars are only looking for one thing; To separate you from as much of your money as they can with doing as little as they need. I used to/still do date quite a few. Even the 'nice' ones have stories about scamming some loser. If you want to be story fodder for some Russian Cruiser D to chuckle about feel free to send the money.
QUOTE]
It sounds just the same as if I (for ex.) said that 90% of expats, whether they be from US, Thailand or Mars are only looking for one thing: to waste as much of an escort or stripper's time and spend as little money as they can. And all their storys about falling in love with you and attempts to make relationships are just typical ways to scam you and fuck for free with no obligations. Even "nice" ones have stories about scamming some loser pros who by accident believed them. If you want to be story fodder for some Foreign Cruiser, just believe that he is a normal guy and treat him nicely. And what now? Should we believe people only in extreem cases? By the way if you are not in the mood to send money, don't send. If you don't want to break your head if you are cheated by a pro or she is true with you, go to non-pros. Why the hell guys like you who don't trust strippers and escorts are still keeping connection with them? What the hell is wrong with you if you can't go to normal girls and get for free things which are ment to be for free? We, pros, have an excuse, we make money of guys like you, who need our service due to some of their problems. You pay and we get the money. But why are you still here if you don't trust pros, don't respect pros and want to fuck for free? Go and fuck someone for free if you think you really deserve it. And stop complaining "Oh, mummy, they are all scams... me, poor boy fell in love with a scam... oh, I gave her the money and she cheated me... oh, I want to give her the money, but I am afraid that she will cheat me... oh, she seems too good to be real, I'm afraid that she will cheat me... she never cheated me before but I'm afraid that she will do in the future..." Afraid of relationshios - stay alone. Don't want to be cheated with money - keep your money, masturbate and be happy. Want to find girlfriend - behave like a real boyfriend, not like a fucking paranoid. And just for your information (though you don't have to believe it): escorts, strippers and other sorts of pros also have relationships, they also marry (mostly their clients) and become very good wives and mothers. We all have relatives and mostly keep good connections with parents. And we all have real friends, but we don't choose them among assholes who complain all the time and suspect us of being scams.
And I agree with Vince: “Maybe if you find a job for her in your country she will be happy to join you but i think that russian women firstly looks for safety and secondly to have a family. As everybody they are interested by money but to my mind after safety and family”. As if other women in the world are different.
Hi,
I am going to visit Moscow this month for four days. I read the forum but found nothing about dosugvip.com. The girls are too beautiful to be real. Anyone to try this site please report (which girl). I really need help. Or other sites or agencies that have been tried by members. I am gonna post every photo next rewiew.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow][QUOTE=Cruiser D]90% of strippers, whether they be from the US, Russia, Thailand or Mars are only looking for one thing; To separate you from as much of your money as they can with doing as little as they need. I used to/still do date quite a few. Even the 'nice' ones have stories about scamming some loser. If you want to be story fodder for some Russian Cruiser D to chuckle about feel free to send the money.[QUOTE]It sounds just the same as if I (for ex.) said that 90% of expats, whether they be from US, Thailand or Mars are only looking for one thing: to waste as much of an escort or stripper's time and spend as little money as they can. And all their storys about falling in love with you and attempts to make relationships are just typical ways to scam you and fuck for free with no obligations. Even "nice" ones have stories about scamming some loser pros who by accident believed them. If you want to be story fodder for some Foreign Cruiser, just believe that he is a normal guy and treat him nicely. And what now? Should we believe people only in extreem cases? By the way if you are not in the mood to send money, don't send. If you don't want to break your head if you are cheated by a pro or she is true with you, go to non-pros. Why the hell guys like you who don't trust strippers and escorts are still keeping connection with them? What the hell is wrong with you if you can't go to normal girls and get for free things which are ment to be for free? We, pros, have an excuse, we make money of guys like you, who need our service due to some of their problems. You pay and we get the money. But why are you still here if you don't trust pros, don't respect pros and want to fuck for free? Go and fuck someone for free if you think you really deserve it. And stop complaining "Oh, mummy, they are all scams... me, poor boy fell in love with a scam... oh, I gave her the money and she cheated me... oh, I want to give her the money, but I am afraid that she will cheat me... oh, she seems too good to be real, I'm afraid that she will cheat me... she never cheated me before but I'm afraid that she will do in the future..." Afraid of relationshios - stay alone. Don't want to be cheated with money - keep your money, masturbate and be happy. Want to find girlfriend - behave like a real boyfriend, not like a fucking paranoid. And just for your information (though you don't have to believe it): escorts, strippers and other sorts of pros also have relationships, they also marry (mostly their clients) and become very good wives and mothers. We all have relatives and mostly keep good connections with parents. And we all have real friends, but we don't choose them among assholes who complain all the time and suspect us of being scams.
And I agree with Vince: “Maybe if you find a job for her in your country she will be happy to join you but i think that russian women firstly looks for safety and secondly to have a family. As everybody they are interested by money but to my mind after safety and family”. As if other women in the world are different.[/QUOTE]Everyone is attempting to optimize return on his/her investment (money/time). There is nothing wrong with this picture. The service may not be satisfactory sometimes which can be called a scam in certain cases. However, large-scale scam should be unconditionally condemned on this board.
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]
It sounds just the same as if I (for ex.) said that 90% of expats, whether they be from US, Thailand or Mars are only looking for one thing: to waste as much of an escort or stripper's time and spend as little money as they can. And all their storys about falling in love with you and attempts to make relationships are just typical ways to scam you and fuck for free with no obligations.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Helena, for putting a big smile on my face one more time. You're so right, as usual. :)
Did I ever told you I enjoy reading your posts a lot? I think I did, but I'm enjoying them more and more. Keep them coming!
Thanks for bringing another perspective to this forum, Jackson should sponsor you to write here. :D
Jim
Helena is there anything about my statements that you feel are false or off the mark? You do not seem like a stupid girl. Do you think that if he sends this girl $2000 he is going to get anything for his money other then a hole in his bank account?
You seem to be confusing my reply and generalizing it about all sex workers. Hopefully you can see the difference between a stripper asking for $2000 for a visa scam and a girl you have entered a business agreement into about having sex with. One is thievery the other is business.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]You seem to be confusing my reply and generalizing it about all sex workers. Hopefully you can see the difference between a stripper asking for $2000 for a visa scam and a girl you have entered a business agreement into about having sex with. One is thievery the other is business.[/QUOTE]
Dear Cruiser, who was the first to mention 90%? Reread your post. I am against generalization ;))))))
I've been reading the forum regularely for a while as I've been travelling on a regular basis to Moscow due to my job. Thanks to all you guys, and not to forget the two girls, for your reports! Helpful and entertaining indeed:)
Most of the time the last few years I've had regular non-pro girlsfriends in Moscow. But in between relationships I've also had quite a few encounters with pros and semi-pros.
Now I've moved to the greatest city on earth for girls permanently for some months. I still trust to get useful info here, and I hope to be able to post some info myself.
Glad to be in Moscow!
Helena actually you need to reread my post.
You seem to be venting a lot of anger that had nothing to do with what I briefly comment about - most strippers are just looking to seperate men from as much money as they possible can with doing as little as they need. Before you go running off on another tangent, is there something about that statement you find untrue?
Your comments about expats scamming (working) girls for sex is something I don't partake in, condone or have any interest in. But yes I do know it takes place.
Dear Friends,
pehaps this is not the right thread to write but... you wrote so I'll do the same.
Usually for a back-up after several sessions I usually use Viagra 50 mg (very good for several Anal poundings!), maximum once a day.
Could you give me your ideas on a Viagra vs. Cialis match? Considering that I will have a Kiev vacation of one week: 90% of time going for sex? :) :)
Please let me know your opinions.
IT
PS I wrote also a same question in Viagra section. I would like to try Cialis.
Hi,
I am a pharmacist and I would recommend you Clialis. Less side-effects, longer erection (36 hours). When my patients use viagra, they feel hot, face red and see everything blue. But non of patients have problem with Clialis. Also if you use viagra, avoid drinking alcohol.
[QUOTE=It Travel]Dear Friends,
pehaps this is not the right thread to write but... you wrote so I'll do the same.
Usually for a back-up after several sessions I usually use Viagra 50 mg (very good for several Anal poundings!), maximum once a day.
Could you give me your ideas on a Viagra vs. Cialis match? Considering that I will have a Kiev vacation of one week: 90% of time going for sex? :) :)
Please let me know your opinions.
IT
PS I wrote also a same question in Viagra section. I would like to try Cialis.[/QUOTE]
Live and Let Live....cheating and love are all part of the game :) look at the bigger picture when you feel cheated...we all are part of the system...we can't expect heaven on earth with all pleasure and no pain..common...:)
Look it like this...there is no thrill if you don't get scammed once in a while :D..else life will be too smoooth just like one girl friend, one marriage and one affair....thats why we should love mongering..mix of all good and bad tastes....:D
Thanks guys, for your response.
Unfortunately the girl is back in Ukraine for the moment, so I didnt test the pill yet. According to the majority here on the board, Cialis should give the best result, so that was what I bought. And it was very easy to get, just walk in to the "Apteka" and the girl asks " How many do you want ? " Price was 1100 rubles for 2 pills.
I came to Moscow yesterday, so I went out on the hunt in a taxi looking for a totckagirl, but it was hard work to find, as it seems like the police have closed down most of the scene. But after several hours of driving around ( fortunately I had agreed with the driver on a fixed price of 1200 rubles for as long as it would take to find a girl i liked ) we managed to find a couple of places that were working. They said that after the fifth things should be back to normal, probably the police are running some kind of campaign at the moment, and I think that the mamas are well informed about this.
Anyway, I took a 19 year old beauty from Moldova back to the hotel. But after all the driving I was a bit tired, and so was the girl. As she told her story I also kind of lost the desire to bang her all night. The night before she had been picked up from the totcka, and taking to a house where 6 guys had been working on her all night !! Now I am not saying that I dont want to make a girl work hard for her money, but I really think that what happend to her was to much. So we did a couple of rounds, and I let her sleep the rest of the night.
IT, I tried to send you a PM, but somehow I could not get into the system?
Please send me your email, and I will give you some info.
[QUOTE=Hakan Demir]Hi,
I am a pharmacist and I would recommend you Clialis. Less side-effects, longer erection (36 hours). When my patients use viagra, they feel hot, face red and see everything blue. But non of patients have problem with Clialis. Also if you use viagra, avoid drinking alcohol.[/QUOTE]
Hakan,
i understand your point in suggesting Clialis more then Viagra. less side effects and lasting more. but what do you mean with “But non of patients have problem with Clialis”?.
thx
moreover to test the difference can you tell me how to move from one to the other.
can it be one day Viagra and the day after Clialis?
thx again
No, I meant use Clialis. Do not use Viagra. Patients with erection problems (mostly older than 50 years old) that have tried both prefer clialis. Best advantage is its longer effects., some say it longs more than 2 days.
[QUOTE=Lollo Frollo]Hakan,
I understand your point in suggesting Clialis more then Viagra. less side effects and lasting more. but what do you mean with “But non of patients have problem with Clialis”?.
Thx
Moreover to test the difference can you tell me how to move from one to the other.
can it be one day Viagra and the day after Clialis?
Thx again[/QUOTE]
One last question and thanks for the responses. I found a 4 star hotel on Orbitz for St. Petersburg for 40 a night. If I can't make it to Moscow, does the quality of the women in terms of looks really change much if I go to St. Petersburg? I mean they are all Russians right?
Tip #1:
I always go back to the the textbook used by the graduate and college programs. Middleburry College in Vermont has the best Russian program and the professors there put together a list of Russian books and tapes that they recommend to students. I will work off that list.
Below is just off beaten topic rambling:
Rambling #1:
Also, keep in mind that when you meet these girls, and they have access to Internet, I bet they are chatting with other guys. If you bring them back, make sure you are not the bank financing their trip only to deliver them to someone they already met online. Just a crazy thought that hit me.
Rambling #2
I am looking at Russia as a fun trip no committments because no matter how easier it is to meet women in Russia, I think love is what wins the heart. I really think that you need a short term and long term strategy. Short term can be escorts or models or adult models. But long term, you have to find someone and work on the heart. No amount of money can buy that.
I think that if you focus on the heart, you can find a college age chick in the US. For the past few weeks, I lost my self confidence because I was sick and stuck behind the desk doing paperwork. Over the weekend, I started searching for college chicks. Coming home, I drove past a beautiful girl sitting on the curb at 12 midnight with a very sad look. I pulled the car over and asked her what was wrong and told her I had been looking for someone all night to talk to and couldn't believe that she was sitting by herself. That is how I met her.
Yeah it requires a lot of work and rejection but that is what you ultimately have to do long term. If you decide that you want to spend the rest of your life with a Russian chick, you will eventually have to do it sooner or later.
That is why my strategy is short term Russian chicks but long term back to the good old USA.
Beware of blood poisoning. Full erection couple of hours definitely add flavor to our relations but if you keep the erection more than it should be, the blood that flows into your penis turn into poison and you might need surgical assistance.
[QUOTE=Hakan Demir]No, I meant use Clialis. Do not use Viagra. Patients with erection problems (mostly older than 50 years old) that have tried both prefer clialis. Best advantage is its longer effects., some say it longs more than 2 days.[/QUOTE]
Hakan Demir,
You don’t accept PM therefore I write like this.
Short of long Moscow mongering.
1-Internet. [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] is the most reliable web site. The prices are market prices and most of the time, you will get what you see. Tested several times. Don’t get shock when you realize that the girl you ask doesn’t speak a word of English. Usually the dispatcher speaks English and always prepare yourself that girls may gain extra kgs.
2-Clubs and bars. Nothing was left from the good old days but Chersterfield in Kurskaya is still one of the rat holes where you may easily find girls. Most of them speak English.
Night Flight in Tverskaya where the cash is king is the place where you find expensive girls. It doesn’t matter whether you pick girl or not but it’s a must see place.
Don’t forget always negotiate with the girls. Tell them what you want, ask them what they are open for. BJ w.out condom-Greek, etc.
Fabrique close to Pavelatkaya metro on the river side is another hot club for expats. Speaking English with the bouncers will open doors for your. Normal cover 300 rubles, VIP cover $100 per person. Full of hottest chicks but possibilities depend on your talent and the ability to speak Russian.
B2, 3 floor dance club/restaurant. Mostly girls next door type girls. The quality is lower than Fabrique but easy to access and easy to find freebies.
Karma, where I hate the most. Most of the expats love that place but my luck has never turn there.
4-Tochka. Find a irregular taxi and tell him to take you one of the tochkas. But some drivers may find it offensive. Most of them are regular guys who try to make extra rubles on the way their homes. I know Doc and others may disagree with me, but the best way to go to tochkas is the CF drivers. Yes they are scammers but at least they know where to go. You should negotiate the price before you take the taxi.
5-Strip clubs. I don’t recommend picking girls from strip clubs. If you like these places definitely hang out at MisterrXXX in Nowy Arbat and Rhino behind the Angara Casino in Nowy Arbat.
6-House parties. If you have friends and if they throw a house party, it is possible to get laid.
I have never used chat sites such as love.mail.ru or similar ones. Most of the girls who are directly asking money after the 3rd conversations are scammers; besides it will be difficult communicate if you don’t speak Russian.
You don't have to a prick about it. I spent 2 days searching for someone to talk to. I made eye contact with a lot of women. But they all had that attitude. Like you. That is why I can't stand fucking people like that. I wanted someone down to earth and normal. She stood out because she was so beautiful sitting by herself. But it took me 2 days to find someone like her. It's a college campus.
How do you want to meet someone when you are not looking for escorts? Someone that you went to school with? work with? Someone your own age? That's right: settle for the lowest common denominator because it's the easy way out. Do you think that ***** hasn't had 7 dicks up her ass even though you met her at work?
Try finding someone young and attractive and in college and maybe hasn't been porked by every Tom Dick and Joe. Try even finding the balls to go up and talk to someone instead of paying for it.
What would you rather me do? Hunt down women and take photos and post them like you? I am sure that is meaningful, you fucking loser.
How many fucking times do you have to post the photos of that girl? You post it on the Russian, Ukariane, Czech pages. You paid for sex and the photo. Big fucking deal.
I am trying to figure out a way to make the most of my life without paying for it, you fucking loser.
I am up for Nightflight just as anyone else. But why would you spend 200-300 a night for a hot girl if you can find a normal girl who looks the same for free? What you are proposing is not logical.
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Oh yeah, of course. Finding sad hot
girls sitting alone
on the street at midnight is definitely the key to
starting a meaningful long term relationship in America.[/QUOTE]
I just have to get this off my chest. I contacted a Russian girl off of a mainstream site and she responded right away and asked some questions. But just from talking to her, it just left a bad taste in my mouth. This is more work than dealing with an American girl.
The best anology I can think of is that I have friends who use a dating site. But the reception you get is worse than meeting someone in a bar. Every time I go into a bar, there is always at least one person who talks to you. I don't know if it is group psychology or what. But it is easier than online.
So as I am dealing with this Russian girl, I am asking myself is this more work or less work than the mainstream girls I am dealing with. It is more work. She left me in a pretty bad mood too. But I can't tell the difference. It's not like dealing with her is any easier simply because she lives in Russia.
Guy2:
"So as I am dealing with this Russian girl, I am asking myself is this more work or less work than the mainstream girls I am dealing with. It is more work."
Then stop writing her.
"It's not like dealing with her is any easier simply because she lives in Russia."
Beautiful and sexy Russian girls, particularly those from Moscow or Petersburg or really any major city are no longer waiting around to be "rescued" by some foreigner. To make them yours you have to give them something that is of value to them. Internet chat isnt going to get any 8-10s all wet between the legs.
Trying to shop for 9s and 10s on the net can be a pretty humbling experience. In all honesty, girls at that level ARE actually easier to get along with in real life. In the net they just get bombarded by messages from guys.
Not just Guy2 but Guy3, Guy4 and Guy697. We are sheep to them until we put on a pair of horns and become bulls. Bulls with big... wallets.
Go to a top Moscow club and watch the show. Supposedly studly know it all guys of moderate means hitting on models and getting rejected. Watch model leave with some greasy looking dweeb... in his S-class Merc. Considering the "fringe benefits" of her choice of company... clothes, cash, status and more cash... her decision seems understandle, even as frustrating it is for anyone playing by the normal rules of intersexual relations. You can get a long way with very cute girls in the 7 and 8 category with romance, intellect, charm and moderate spending, but as soon as she starts to think she's a 9, she'll start "demanding" star treatment. Whether you choose to play along is up to you.
"But why would you spend 200-300 a night for a hot girl if you can find a normal girl who looks the same for free?"
Well can you? The way you're whining... and no offense meant... it certainly sounds like you can't. That's what pros are for. Pay some money and fuck the girl that wasn't going to fuck you 5 minutes ago. Now she is. Like magic!
"Yeah it requires a lot of work and rejection but that is what you ultimately have to do long term. If you decide that you want to spend the rest of your life with a Russian chick, you will eventually have to do it sooner or later.
That is why my strategy is short term Russian chicks but long term back to the good old USA."
Have you ever had a Russian girlfriend? I mean a real girlfriend? Most of the ones I have had.. who aren't the club model type being passed around from one oligarch to the next... are young, beautiful (7-8 category) student or early 20's types. Most want families and children and are the most sincere, sexy and loving women I have known. I don't see why someone looking for long-term love would have to look any farther... but they are also demanding in the sense that they want real men, men who work hard, earn well and bring home the bacon.
As much as I like the show "King of Queens", the portly main character Doug, who seems to personify the average American Joe, wouldnt qualify as a real man in any Russians book. As loving as he is, he is too lazy and lethargic.
One of my ex-girlfriends mother was chewing me out one day and told me very sincerely that "love is more than words, love is more than an emotion". For Russians, and this includes the younger generation, love is also support, security both physical and financial.
I lived in Moscow, when it was the capital of the Soviet Union. A foreigner was a good catch for those relatively few women whom the KGB authorized to deal with foreigners or who were just reckless enough not to know better. There was a twist, though. It was a Russian woman's dream to marry a foreigner but not to leave Moscow. The reason: With a foreign husband and his material perks, she was the envy of everyone in Moscow. Even if the poor slob husband was not rich, she acquired things that her sisters probably had never seen and was entitled to shop in hard-currency shops where fine wines, liquor and imported food items were available that others could only salivate about. These women knew that if they moved to the West, they would be homesick and they and their husbands would be nobodies.
Russian women's current materialism is an interesting phenomenon. Instead of foreigners, they go for homegrown fat cats. They know they have to clean those guys as quickly as possible because you don't have to be a ganster to be bumped off in Moscow. I wonder how many of the women actually get a contract on their sugar daddies! They are sluts in their hearts.
I was impressed with the high quality of women on the [url]http://www.intimcity.ru.To[/url] see them and their prices, go to the very left hand upper corner of the site, where it says in red Russian letters GLAVNAYA, then hit the next word for individualki (individuals) or saloni (*****houses).
Many of the girls on the intimcity.ru site have impressive breasts. Are today's Russian pros into boob jobs, or are they all natural.
Could be the latter. In the Soviet Union, it was a joke to establish working class credetials. As in "moya mama tozhe doyarka" ("My mother, too, was a milk maid).
[QUOTE=Guy #2]
You don't have a prick.
I spent 2 days searching for someone
to talk to with an attitude Like you.
I can't fuck someone normal because it
took me 2 days to come with 7 dicks up
my ass instead of paying for it.
Would you rather me take photos and post them like you?
I am sure a fucking loser.
How many fucking times do you have Ukariane sex and fuck.
I am a totol fucking loser.
I am just a hot girl for free
What you are not.
[/QUOTE]
Gee I don't think I can top that!
Thanks Guy#Number#Dumber#Numb#Bum#Gums
Dear All,
I will be visiting Moscow for the first time early in October. I wanted to ask some of the experts over here for some advice.
I have been searching the net for massage parlours (the erotic type) and found out plenty, all offering the same types of services. In the case when i find abundance, i always like to ask the experts about which are the best ones?
I noticed some names like Fabrique, NightFlight & B2. Are these places worth visiting? What are the highly recommended ones for someone who has 4 nights in Moscow.
I am staying in President Hotel, so I read in the reviews of this hotel, that its heavily guarded. Does this mean I will be facing problems getting girls back to my room?
I figured out tochkas means *****houses:), but should I ask taxi drivers to take me there or would they think of it as insulting? If not, then, would anyone recommend good ones with normal prices?
I thank all the people here for the valuable contributions, but I just need some more information to draw a clearer picture of how moscow would be before I drop by.
THanks
Rewe
To Doctor Skank:
Thanks, Doc, for your greate posting. I could sighn under each word (but doubt that I’d be able to put them together in such a beautiful manner ;)
To Vittu:
“It was a Russian woman's dream to marry a foreigner but not to leave Moscow” – The key words “it was”. It’s no more the dream of Russian women, God bless you...
“Russian women's current materialism is an interesting phenomenon. Instead of foreigners, they go for homegrown fat cats. They know they have to clean those guys as quickly as possible because you don't have to be a ganster to be bumped off in Moscow. I wonder how many of the women actually get a contract on their sugar daddies! They are sluts in their hearts”. – There are many other women, too. More than you can imagine. Escorts and fat-cats girlfriends are less than 10% of population. Fifteen years ago it was inportant for many girls to get sugar daddies support, but now there are a lot of other posibilities. Now women in Russia search for real people. Both with good personality and with money. Two in one.
“Are today's Russian pros into boob jobs, or are they all natural”. – They always were and they are and they will be. Depends on the condition of real ones. Now sergery is getting better and more afortable, but still, you can find some natural brests. And you can always see the difference.
To Rewe:
“I am staying in President Hotel, so I read in the reviews of this hotel, that its heavily guarded. Does this mean I will be facing problems getting girls back to my room?” – To get a girl to your room you’ll have to call on security desk and ask them to make a pass for your girl. In this pass must be the girls exact name, as well, as your own and your room number. That’s all.
“I just need some more information to draw a clearer picture of how moscow would be before I drop by”. – Invite me in your first evening – and Moscow is in your pocket ;)))))))))
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IT
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Rewe,
I hope this may help you a little.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=503245&postcount=106[/url]
Tochkas are spots where you drive and pick your girl.
Try once but don't stick on MPs; you are in Moscow; don't waste your time....
Helena:
I really adore Russian girls and have had almost always very nice experiences with them on all levels of relations, so it is easy to write such words. In fact, I have to hold myself back, otherwise I would write a book! :)
Rewe:
This might help answer some of your tochka questions:
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=445088&postcount=3427[/url]
Obviously you haven't been researching for your trip very well. There is a lot of consolidated information in the "Reports of Distinction" thread.
Also, I fully agree with Big Bro AJ that the best tochka drivers are to be found outside of the infamous pickup bar "Boarhouse", across the street from Kursky train station on Zemlenoi Val street. If you can find the gigantic Atrium shopping center, look across the street and you will see a bunch of taxis in front of a bar... that's Boarhouse and the taxi drivers... although a bit expensive... do know where to find girls.
Just some service info.
Today it was not working properly... now (approx. 20.00 GMT) it's OK
IT
Sorry to get back to sponsorhip…
By the way, of course with individual taste, you can find these three beauties
A petite ready for anal (checked by mail OK for 300 USD a day)
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A teen like a school girl, but really a little pig!
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Just some suggestion if you are going for sponsorship (the last will be around 100.000 RUR a month) :(
IT
i wrote this from my trip to kiev and am posting it here to encourage people to travel to the ukraine. no visa for europeans and americans. only a 7 hour train ride or 90 minute flight away.
right off, all my russian friends laughed when i told them i was going to kiev. usually, in moscow, “kokhli” is the punch line of a good joke. they seem to see ukrainians as russian with a speech impediment, who have been kicked in the head a couple of time. add in a legendary appetite for gorlilka and you’ve got kokhli.
even on the train over from moscow, it was nicer. in the past, every time i have traveled by train in the fsu exactly one of my coupemates has either been a) a smelly drunk or b) a talkative drunk. on one rare occasion, i had to share a stateroom with both a smelly and a talkative drunk. the entire system of showing your passport to the conductor makes it blatantly obvious that you are a foreigner and thus are subjected to nonstop questions like “america, good? da?” one hour down, eleven to go.
this time, the only other occupant was a hot ukrainian journalist babe. she made it abundantly clear that she was spoken for, but she did fill me in on things to do while in kiev. it was a welcome change.
after all the negative things the russians had said about the kokhli, i was pleasantly surprised when i got off the train. everything seemed a little more cleaner and better taken care of than in moscow. it also took me about 9 hours to actually spot a cop. i found a 3-room apartment with a bar overlooking the dniper for a laughable price (by moscow standards). amazingly (again coming from moscow) they did not try and screw me over when they heard my accented russian.
after dropping my shit off i had to meet a british friend at the train station. he has been living in moscow for well over the past year and has yet to learn a single symbol of the cyrillic alphabet. couple of drinks later and a gorika run at the local stop, we were ready to go. right outside of our podezd door there were a couple of girls drinking beer. my friend, let’s just call him john, tried his typical line- screaming “do you speak english?” amazingly, it worked. one of the girls was absolutely beat, but the other, alyona, was gorgeous- talk, milky perfect complexion and those exotic cat eyes that slavic girls sometimes have.
my memory somewhat fails me at this point but i remember sitting in a restaurant, with alyona stroking my knee, feeding me bits of bread and sala that she had ordered. when the bill came they, the girls, insisted on paying. i have never had that happen.
alyona’s friend fucked off but she came back with us. john crashed on the couch and i showed alyona to the shower. she came out, wrapped in a towel and right when she was about to slip under the covers, john barges in shouting about a double team and how she told him he had nice eyes, further evidence of her wanting a threesome. i could have strangled him with his shoelaces but settled on throwing out into the hall. despite that, i spent an amazing, and energetic, night with an absolute goddess. so much so that even now, a several days later, i still have scabby raw knees- some kind of friction burn from the sheets.
next day, alyona off to work at her bank. a hungover tour of the city. again, i am impressed- no cops. even the construction sites are free from those trailers packed full of tajik slave labor.
that night, i was dragged down to o’brien’s to watch england barely win over macedonia. a full immersion into british pub culture. john and i downed about 30 gin-tonics between the two of us. we found out from some of the expats where to go. everyone pointed us to either arena or river palace. we went for river palace.
the first thing we see in the lobby is a bunch of 6 foot tall ukrainian goddesses leading out asians in armani half their size. basically, a boarhouse on the river. the women there were stunning but they ask for 300 dollars. i am not sure if that is for the night but whatever it is, it is expensive. the going rate in moscow, the most expensive city in the world, is 150 for a night. this does not bode well if this is the vaunted integration with the eu they are talking about.
neither of us were interested, so we got a cab back to the flat. the driver turns around and goes “devushki?” and we are like “why not”? he starts going on about there were girls working in an “office” by that besoarabian market. sounds shady, but again why not? the place is an apartment decked out like the austin powers psychedelic swinging pussycats club. in the middle on a pink couch, were about 6 working girls. right when we arrived, all there kids from the under 20 kiev soccer league had just gotten there. they would take a girl for 50 dollars and hour and after about 3 minutes would come out of a room with their head hanging. alright, put the children to bed, team america’s turn. i stood up, threw a hundred dollars down on the coffee table, put a girl over each shoulder, kicked the door to the bedroom down and had at it.
wow! i still have this big stupid grin on my face, thinking about it. the girls and i took a shower together to top it all off. got back to the apartment around 6 in the mourning and passed out.
next day, i called alyona who stopped by right after work and did not leave until the next morning. i think i saw blood in one of the condoms.
took off to moscow that next night and have been scheming to get transferred to kiev even since.
Big Bro thanks for the link
[url]http://www.passportmagazine.ru/article/5[/url]
It really put things in perspective, Why Moscow is made to look like the most expensive city in the world, when infact after you read the article with facts on hand its the cheapest city indeed :D
The article was an eye-opener...Thanks..
Peasant...loved it, you have a natural feel for the place, and write with style, set the scene, drew us in, gave us a few titbits, I look forward to your next escapade!
Bois
( LOPA fanatic, see Poland contributions!)
Hi All:
So in about 3 weeks I will be landing in Moscow...unfortunately with some of my coworkers in tow. This will severly hamper my mongering activities, but still I am hoping to participate. Good thing these activities are late in the PM...
I have been reviewing the threads and wanted to double check my assumptions as I am open to new ideas. My Russian consists of 3 words, yes, no and Thankyou. Not exactly the cunning linguist I would like to be! So given that I do want to have somewhat of a conversation with the girl I am with, it seems that the chance of find a girl at a Tochka that speaks english is between zero and none. I was therefore thinking about other options, but could use some suggestions. Hotel girls, seem expensive and really not that good. Nightflight girls have a reputation that makes this seemingly undesirable. And CF sounds like it could be hit or miss.
There are reports of various other possibilities, but the language barrier seems to be a consistent issue. The only "potential" might be a service...but....
So, I am asking my fellow experienced Moscow mongers, any thoughts or suggestions. Is Nightflight as bad as they say? I really want to try Russian delights, but I think I would like them better if there was at least some communication between the 2 or 3 of us...(yeah, in my dreams!!)
Thanks for the help
AHT169
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]I guess this always happens when you're
personally invited by Johnny Depp.[/QUOTE]Or when you are young, well dressed, and have an excellent command of Russian.
Having a C-note to blow on the working girls helps.
I see no need to let another blondinka-donk's
goofy gaze go to waste.
In trying to make a point, that point being exactly
what I'm not sure, its for the best, not to confuse
the situation, with the kind of senseless unimaginative
blather that spews from my keyboard.
Alright ladies 'n' gents.
I've chosen to share my brief visit to Moscow with all of you. Weren't that good at all, but maybe they'll be of interest to somebody out there who like me isn't that used to frequent professional purveyours of sex.
I had two nights in Moscow. Both with colleagues so some discretion was needed. That sucked, I can tell you that! Stayed at the SAS Radisson who didn't have a problem with girls (girl in my case - wish I could use plural) Anyway went to some meetings, went to the Hotel where I hung with some associates. There were an amazing woman in the bar looking for company - but alas - I needed to be discrete. So no chance of doing a bar pick-up.
Ended up a bit wasted at my hotelroom at 1 in the night and I was horny like shite. Called [url]http://www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url] who had some nice ladies on the homepage. But the hour was late on a Tueday so there weren't anything to chose from. I asked for a black haired babe, slim and preferably with nice big, firm titties. The English speaking lady were very polite, and told me she would be there in half an hour, and it would cost me 150 USD. Well, I'm in luck I thought. Well, not exactly. Phone rang after 10 minutes (suppose she wanted to check that I actually stayed at the hotel - that's ok with me). She told me that there were no black haired babes only a blonde. She confirmed slim and the titty description above. So I thought, what the heck. Blondes have more fun! She also told me it would cost me 170USD because of late night taxi. OK, I said.
So, I waited. And I waited. And aprox. a hour passed and there was a knock on the door. Opened it.....AND.....well not exactly what I had in mind. She wasn't exactly slim. Not fat but not slim at all. Huge tits, but not the firm bouncy ones I wanted. She didn't pose on the homepage, that's for sure. She wasn't really my type at all, and I should have told her so. But as mentioned. I'm in Moscow. I'm Horny. Maybe she was a hell of a fuck, so, let's get in on. We didn't.
It was a fucking disaster. I started well. Talked a bit, went to the shower. Wanted her to do a little show for me there. She didn't. We went to the bed to make out. And she was just acting strange. Saying she felt like I was laughing at her. I wasn't. My thoughts went: Alright. Let her suck me off, let me fuck her fast and get her the hell outtahere. Then she put on a fucking cheap shit condom that made ol' Johnson feel like he was being strangled. Wasn't Durex I can tell you for sure. Well, I won't bore you with the details. After a LOUSY blow job I couldn't get her fucked probably because of that shit condom. So after way to long it ended with a handjob. 170USD for a handjob. Did I feel stupid? I mean, if I wanted a fucking handjob there were porn galore on pay-tv.
Well, she left, and the morale is: bring your own condom, make sure you activate the hidden lever-switch when you make arrangements with the phonelady. Make sure she understands, that you send the girl away if she isn't what you expected. And then just don't try to fuck anyone you don't really feel attracted to or connect with. Maybe that's obvious, but when you're drunk, alone and horny the obvious isn't always the most obvious.
Well, I'll finish off with a recommendation. Wednesday we went 10 colleagues to Boar House. And that was an amazing place. Shitfuckingloads of girls that just waited for you to tell them to go home and fuck you. Prices started roughly at 200USD but you could probably negotiate your way down to 100USD for the whole night depending on the girl and the time and day. Some of them looked like they would go lower, but I'm not sure that would be healthy for ya. There weren't any supermodels (it was Wednesday, remember) but there were very hot chicks who looked like a fantastic time. Better than mine anyways.
Didn't get to know anything about the VIP Saunas. Didn't get to know anything about Park Avenue Disco. But I got to know that going to a bar is proably the way to go in Moscow. Be it Boarhouse or Nightflight. Any taxidriver will guide you to places with girls. So, good luck, my sexcrazed friends. Hope mine is better next time.
Blackbltjones
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
BB,
Sweet-dreams.ru is another site run by Victoria along with yourfantasy.ru and if you read any of the posts, you'll see the more often than not, you don't get quality nor what you see in the photos. One of her girls even ripped me off by nearly 45 mins of time by claiming she showed up earlier than she did.
Caution to all, avoid both these sites and their providers.
Here is the link to just one of the teenagers seeking friends (not sponsors) on [url]www.omen.ru[/url]
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Simply incredible... she is seeking up to 32 y.o. guys!
I post a picture here. If I saw something similar getting in my house or room I would just get there, gently open her legs and put my face in Paradise! :) :)
Unfortunately I'm older AND NOW I AM NOT IN MOSCOW! :( :(
IT
All morning spent trying to make phone calls to massage parlours and salons but no one speaks english. Its very tough for someone with zero russian skills to get a piece of the action here. I even tried to wander in the streets but easily got lost and even didnt find a taxi to return to the hotel.
If someone knows a massage parlour or a salon with an english speaking lady, please share it with me, the russian language is driving me nuts.
Rewe
Rewe,
I had a similier problem of communication in russian language and its very frustating when you are so close yet soo far....
I had mentioned this before, I used Ectaco electronic translators, which automatically converts russian language into english and vice versa, all you need to do is carry the mobile like device and speak to it and it automatically converts it to russian language and when some one communicates in russian, just hold it and it will translate back to english....:D
Yeah..its the star-trek and bond gadget in one for a jet set monger :p
you can get the product and info here:
[url]http://www.ectaco.com/?refid=2155[/url]
In my view, it solves 80 percent of the problems we mongers typically have during travelling and communicating in a foreign land....
I bet you won't miss a thing in moscow, with this stuff in hand :D :D
What is the site for [url]www.omen.ru[/url] for sponsors.
The site is in russian and canlt locate the sponsors section.
Thanks your help.
I am going to be in Moscow next week and will no doubt arrive unprepared again.
Having previously trawled through various websites periodically and not understanding a word of Russian I usually just pick up a copy of the free english papers and order a takeaway, the last time being from a small ad offering students. I wouldnt know if she was actually a student but she was exactly as described on the telephone , slim, blonde and very attractive. Aslo at $150 for two hours wasnt the most expensive punt going either.
Ok it is not the cleverest approach but does the job at short notice.
However, if there were a couple of places i should definatly go to on one of my free nights, other than NF, i would welome your suggestions and comments.
Can you buy the translator in any stores, like Sharper image?
Bez,
I'm not sure if its available in shops/wal mart in US, but you can give it a try in electronic shops, I got it via shipping as i do not live in US.
But the best part is, there is a 30 day money back gaurentee and you can return it back, if you don't like it, well to put it another way, if your trips gets over in 30 days, you can use it and return the product :D, I know its cruel :p, but i just needed to try another thai version for my bangkok trip but i have kept that one as i frequent it quite often to thailand :D :D
Good Luck ;)
[QUOTE=Riku58]What is the site for [url]www.omen.ru[/url] for sponsors.
The site is in russian and canlt locate the sponsors section.
Thanks your help.[/QUOTE]
Go on
ЗНАКОМСТВА
so you willl get here:
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Then
select only
Спонсорство
and
Фото обязательно
with the green tag, you might select in the upper positions, the city and the age interval...
Happy hunting
PS here some links to interesting teens on sale, some beauty some with incredible bodies and tits
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Sorry one more thing… this teen Anastasya, 7th boobs, 167 cm, not a stunner, but I, myself, love skinnies, big boobed, every teen has some positive aspect. (links just down)
Might that she (I just suppose) might be doing everything you want (maybe anal excluded) I think I can take a week just exploring boobs, for a mere 30.000 RUR a month (less than 1.000 €)
Tonia or Antonia, the petite teen has also fantastic tits with the biggest nipples ever seen (I suppose 6-7 cm). I was in contact with her and unfortunately I had no time. :( She is not always in Moscow, she lives outside. So she is much cheaper… she goes also an Daily basis 300 USD a day for all (anal CIM, and whatever), I have seen other pics unfortunately unsaved, she just looks like a schoolgirl as she is, just filled 19. :)
IT
To Rewe:
Dear Rewe, for guys like you international escorts exist ;)
To Loser:
From the way you corrected my English spelling, I assumed that you were able to communicate in Russian fluently... Ups...
To Bez Bezarra:
“Can you buy the translator in any stores, like Sharper image?” – I once bought a translator in the airplane. It was cheaper than on land. In Moscow they are often sold in computer and electronic shops, especially big ones like “Eldorado”, “M-video”, “Mir” and in special departments of big supermarkets, like “Perekrestok” or “Sedmoy continent”.
An Answer: Too much money - relatively speaking; too much hormones - relatively speaking.
Comment: Wouldn't want it any other way would we, nor would the ladies that HM represents? So it all works out just fine :-)))
I really do not understand what an international escort is… Does it mean that you can speak on politics, economics, or whatever, or just that she is more elegant and charge you the double?
The question is to you, I WILL NOT ANSWER IN ANY CASE. (for past polemics)
I’m very happy with my Russian friends (girls) very warm, no hassle, coming when I want and we go to restaurant or whatever… I remember an evening in a little sushi bar, all was very jealous of my little Valentina in a pink fur! A little bite overrun!
It is all, I do not pretend to other people or population to have my tastes… I will go for them.
I will never ask because a site is not in English, I can understand my own.
I’m still a little bit sorry, but every time I write these things, less, on ground: what hell is a definition on a dictionary of an International Escort?
I know a lot of women, fiends, with all the respect, that can go to somewhere and show something. The few International Escorts I had I hope everybody knows what escort really means, were amazed on how I knew Moscow… funny, I’m the foreigner.
It’s all
Take this as it is: just some ideas.
IT
I'm going to Moscow for the first time next month and have been reading up on this board. I found lots of useful info here but I'm faced with somewhat of a minor dilemma. I am one who prefers all nighters as opposed to an hour or two with a girl. As I understand it the girls at NF do mostly short time for $200 or so, but the tochka girls are standard all night affairs. I've been talking to a friend of mine who has been to Moscow three times and strongly urges me to avoid Tochka girls because they service Russian men who often do not wear condoms. He said there is a possibility that the girl your DATY on or getting a bbbj from had 3- 5 guys in the previous night pull a condomless train on her. That very idea sends a shiver down my spine. Some people here use Tochkas but this guy keeps telling me that they are a bad option.
I really don't like cbjs so is it a safer bet to get bbbjs from the club girls istead?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=The Corn Hole]I'm going to Moscow for the first time next month and have been reading up on this board. I found lots of useful info here but I'm faced with somewhat of a minor dilemma. I am one who prefers all nighters as opposed to an hour or two with a girl. As I understand it the girls at NF do mostly short time for $200 or so, but the tochka girls are standard all night affairs. I've been talking to a friend of mine who has been to Moscow three times and strongly urges me to avoid Tochka girls because they service Russian men who often do not wear condoms. He said there is a possibility that the girl your DATY on or getting a bbbj from had 3- 5 guys in the previous night pull a condomless train on her. That very idea sends a shiver down my spine. Some people here use Tochkas but this guy keeps telling me that they are a bad option.
I really don't like cbjs so is it a safer bet to get bbbjs from the club girls istead?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
AIDS and any STD's does not discriminate between Russian and non-Russian customers. You are dealing with hooker and high risk women in this profession and the risks would be similar any where in the world.
It is not the number of guys they have been with even though mathematically this will increase the chances of spreading disease, it is the fact that you are having BBBJ or sex without a condom.
Unless you want to spend a few bucks and have the girl tested for STD's before you have sex with her, the only way to be safe is to wear a condom 100% of the time. Any thing else is a risk, a risk many of us take.
I do not disagree with that at all, however I think certain groups of hookers have a higher risk factor than others. As I understand it Tochkas are street girls pimped out by the mob who do not choose who or how many they have sex with on any given night. I am not going to get into an argument with anybody over this. But, perhaps you are right it is a dumb question to begin with. I have all but concluded they are not really for me but just found the all night thing appealing. I'll just look for it elsewhere.
[QUOTE=The Corn Hole]
I think certain groups of hookers have a higher risk factor than others.
[/QUOTE]
So what would make you think that Night Flight pros
didn't start out working in a Tochka?
They can carry a virus for 10 years without any symptoms.
That's a lot of BBBJ's.
To Vince:
Where did you find this old post? =))))) Who knows what problem? Some don’t want to spend time and energy in building relationships, some are afraid of relationships, some are disliked by girls, they feel better with escorts who don’t reject them, some are too shy to get acquainted with girls, some have no problems with girls at all, but feel lonely in a foreign country, some are curious... or want to learn more about the country through communication with escorts (other people can be difficult to communicate because of the language). Some really enjoy escorts company. Some just want to get rid of money. Recently I read an article where was said that some guys go to escorts to learn some new sexual techniques, some to release from stress during or after divorse, and some guys go to consult about relationships and learn how to become better partners by the time when they meet “the right girl”. Can you imagine? Never thought that we were so useful ;). Sure there must be million of other reasons, you, guys, know better.
To IT: “I really do not understand what an international escort is… Does it mean that you can speak on politics, economics, or whatever, or just that she is more elegant and charge you the double?” – I meant that they specialize on foreigners and speak english, which is rare among girls who specialize on Russians.
To The Corn Hole:
“I do not disagree with that at all, however I think certain groups of hookers have a higher risk factor than others.” – Agree. The riskiest groups in Rusia: girls working with Russians, freebies and honest housewives whose husbands hang about with all women they can catch without condom.
Helena,
Lets face it, hookers are hookers, call them international escorts, call them cortesans, at the end of the day, they are paid for sex, so we go to them for sex, cuz the more sex with different partners for men, the merrier.
Lets drop the international part please. Lets call them multi-lingual prostitutes.
A summary of my 5 day trip to moscow, lets hope this helps our fellow mongers...
Arrived to Moscow monday, some say it is the worst day to go mongering because there arent many people and some say that since the demand is much lower it is the best day. I found the first one is more realistic.
First lesson: how to get around:
What you need: one hand, 200-400 Rubles in change, the name of the place, cell phone...
go to the street and use your hand as if you are waiting a cab in manhattan, very quickly 3-5 cars will make a line in front of you, they are not marked taxis but do not mind because there are very few and none of them use meters anyways. Go to the driver, tell where you want to go, for instance COSMOS Hotel(or you can show it from a piece of paper), take out your cell phone, write 200 and show it to the driver. if he agrees good, if not you can increase the price 50-100rubles, if it doesnt work move to the next car in line. never paid more than 300 Rubles, even at 3-4am for 45 min rides.
Second Lesson: where to go:
What you need: If you do not have a friend who knows where these places are get the adresses on to a piece of paper from the internet
SAFARI: Enterence fee 650 Rubles, Per dance/song 100 Rubles.
There were around 25 dancing girls and 6-7 working girls. There are rooms upstairs which you can take the WGs. They start barganing with 6000 rubles for 2 hours, can get the girls as low as 3000-4000 rubles...I did not try the rooms upstairs so have no idea about the quality. But overall the dancing girls were beautiful(7-9). Drinks were 100-250 Rubles ratio. An advice, if you do not stop the dance yourself, the girl keeps on dancing. So try to listen the songs as well, unless you dont want to end up like my friend....upppsss already 4 songs finished :)
Park Avenue: enterance fee 180 Rubles
This is a bar/dancing floor/ pool tables type of place. I could not see WGs (monday factor I guess), mostly 18-20 years old fellows dancing and grabbing each others butts. Considering the things I red about the place I was dissapointed. did not stay long we left the place.
Boar House/Chesterfield: Enterence fee: friend paid it so not very sure but something like 200.
20-30WGs, alll 5-6. the average fee is 200-300 per night and 100-200 for 1-2 hours. Ahh one more thing, do not forget the fee of 800 Rubles to take the women out of the bar. Nice place where you can have a few drinks with your friends and chat with women.
Hungry Duck: Enterence fee: 200???
A place where women jump to the stage and dance, some give BJ at the booths to their BFs, some working girls. Quality low end.
Hotel Lobbies: (Ukrania Hotel & Cosmos Hotel) : Always 10-15 WGs 6-7s, one hour 100USD, either 2 pops or 1 pop and a massage, all night 250USD. Since they are always available they can be your back up plan.
Web sites: your other choice. Did not have any language problem or getting the girl we asked for. The price is what you see at the web site.
Final Thought:
After these stops (all in two nights) what I learned is Moscow(this is my personal opinion) is overrated for mongering. My friends says that it is not the place that was 5 years ago. If you want to know how it was go to Minsk or Kiev. Which I can understan why. A lot of rich Russians and foreigners are living in moscow and that must have quickened the change.
PS: it is very easy to make eye contact with women that are sitting at a cafe or restaurant. After the first two days, me and a friend tried our chance with two beautiful girls. We were lucky, they were speaking english. Act as if you are lost and need directions, sit with the girls, make them laugh. Here you go, your free bies for the rest of your trip. It works - first hand experience.
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[QUOTE=Rewe]Helena,
Lets face it, hookers are hookers, call them international escorts, call them cortesans, at the end of the day, they are paid for sex, so we go to them for sex, cuz the more sex with different partners for men, the merrier.
Lets drop the international part please. Lets call them multi-lingual prostitutes.[/QUOTE]
And what was the purpose of this posting?
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]And what was the purpose of this posting?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]To IT: “I really do not understand what an international escort is… Does it mean that you can speak on politics, economics, or whatever, or just that she is more elegant and charge you the double?” – I meant that they specialize on foreigners and speak english, which is rare among girls who specialize on Russians.[/QUOTE]
A comment on the international escort definition.
[QUOTE=Rewe]A comment on the international escort definition.[/QUOTE]
Answer the question, please. What exactly did you mean by that comment?
[QUOTE=Yupi Yup]
All I learned is Moscow is overrated for mongering.
its not the place that was 5 years ago.
If you want to know how it was go to Minsk or Kiev.
[/QUOTE]
Kiev is not what it was 5 years ago either.
The world is changing.
But not everywhere, yet.
"All I learned is Moscow is overrated for mongering.
its not the place that was 5 years ago.
If you want to know how it was go to Minsk or Kiev. "
Bez is right, neither Minsk nor Kiev are time machines back to Moscow 5 years ago... The Golden Age of FSU Mongering is long since over ... or for the die-hards who don't give up easily, it has become a question of creativity...
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
The Golden Age of FSU Mongering is long since over ...
[/QUOTE]
In the capitals this is true.
There still remains hard to reach out of the way non-tourist
destinations where it ain't so bad, and the fat lady hasn't sung
yet. Those places won't have the rich culture and happening
night life that many insist upon to call your vacation exciting.
Getting there is a challenge, and making the right connections
once there is where creativity becomes essential.
Giving away the keys to the mongering public would end that
prematurely, so its up to all who have the stones to make
your own adventures. Going to Moscow or Kiev requires no
risk, therefore the rewards are proportionate.
In the last three years I tried several escort services. All experiences were so and so. Girls from 6-max. 8 - routined, professional, sometimes tired.
Once I found the time to visit a girl in a apartment (1905 - found on dosug. Nu - clubs/salons). Young girl - not a beauty (5) - ready to please in every way BUT also ready for everything without condom.
I wonder if I could take the girls in Ukraina out of the hotel? Any (good) experiences on board?
Where can I find really young aged (non silicone) beautiful girls even for high prices? Only in nightclubs?
Bez:
Agreed... like I said before, it's a question of creativity...thinking outside the box... Novonizhnysvetlaullorgischgorsk here I come!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
I think outside the box...
Novonizhnysvetlaullorgischgorsk here I come!
[/QUOTE]
I think ABOUT the "box" lunch and getting inside it.
Get me to Ufa, its slightly easier to pronounce with
a mouthful of muff, and sounds like one is about to hurl.
GOD BLESS RUSSIAN WOMEN…I can’t image a world without them…
[QUOTE=Jovon]
What do you do, I said again once we got upstairs. “First kiss, then sex, then massage’ she says with a smile. I love kissing I said, and I LOVE sex, and the massage sounds great, but I’d like sex again – cum two times. “OK!” says she, and disappears into the shower, reappearing after 5 minutes wrapped only in the bath towel.
Now this is a tall girl with a super slim body, and I mean almost waif-like with tiny 32A breasts (long tasty nipples) and a waist I could almost span with my two hands. But Alexandra knew what to do with it. She turned and stuck her ass right into my face bending forward in a beautifully athletic position while I tasted the centre of the universe.
Smooth, clean shaven, fresh from the shower, she was deliciously sweet, and just when I was thinking this foreplay wasn’t going to last long (meaning I wasn’t going to last long), she turned again, pushed me back into an armchair and straddled me, keeping those dark Russian eyes locked on mine and wanking me slowly and provocatively just to get my heart rate up, feeding me those miniscule but perfect tits.
On to the bed. This girl could do every position with ease – on her back with legs knifed over her shoulders, cowgirl cantilevered outwards giving me a great view of vulva and breasts, on all fours keeping those smoldering eyes locked on mine in the mirror, she moved with practised and professional pace. It was obviously her routine.
A primal awakening took place at this point. I rose and opened her legs and moved on top of her into the 69 I had wanted earlier. No complaints now. Serious tongue on clit from me, and serious mouth from her. For some time. Then I physically moved her back on to the armchair and held her face close to mine while she gave me those smoldering eyes again and a long very hard hand job. And I mean, she worked for that. It was not a comfortable position for her, but she sensed something had happened for me and she went with it. Silent hard work until her muscles must have been aching, and then I just blew everything right over those beautiful shapely perfect little tits without once breaking eye contact. A real professional worker. My admiration for her was as big as my orgasm.
A pleasant evening in this dazzling city where the women look at you with ‘fuck off’ in their erotic slavic eyes.
[/QUOTE]
Big Bro I agree totally, but I might add: RUSSIAN TEENS (or just above) ! :)
Saturday night in Moscow and it turned out the Oh La La Club is only a 15 minute walk from my hotel.
Two big goons at the door frisked me with a metal detector and took my jacket to the coat check, and 600 rubles later I walked into a fairly elegant place with about 30 women, mostly topless and some of them fairly high (7-9) on the richter scale. Bought a beer in the bar (no English spoken), and as I was waiting for my change a girl starts dancing next to me pulling out her tits. I paid her little attention and walked into the strip area to find a seat. Immediately two or three women started climbing on my lap – they don’t even wait in line here – and I was glad of the attention but even more glad I had my wad of bills buried in a safe pocket.
Not that I should have worried about that because, as it turns out, this is a professional establishment, but just as I was enjoying the first lap dance this girl from the bar comes over and starts demanding ‘present for me.’ Well, she hadn’t done anything for me, but she starts to make a fuss so I give her 100 just to go away. A bit pissed at that. The aggressiveness of the girls gets a little hard to cope with after a while, and I was going through my 100s fairly well, so I started saying ‘nyet’ very firmly just to give myself a space to look around.
Then I noticed a fairly quiet brunette who had been sitting on the arm of my chair for the last little while, not participating in the climb-on. When the others had cleared off, she asked my name in English. I said ‘nyet’ again, but she said ‘we can just talk in English if you like, no money.’ That seemed like a good deal, so we moved to a couch and I got a better look at her. Not the most stunning in the place – probably a 7 – but a nice manner and low-key. A business student from a town about 700km from Moscow, 26 years old, her name was Eireida. Club name, Linda. Of course, after a bit of conversation I felt connected with her and asked the questions, how much, what do you do, etc. We agreed on 150 for 30 minutes in the VIP room (for which I had to pay 1000 rubles rent) but before I made up my mind I asked her for a lap dance. She had made no move until this.
Well, she climbed on my crotch and took down her top and this girl was smoking hot. Transformed in an instant from quiet companion to slutty hooker, it was amazing. I said ‘let’s go to the room.’ As I walked behind her across the floor I got a better look. Tall, slim, and an ass to die for. Small tits, but her whole body was tight and erotic. Into the room, we both had showers (she smoked a cigarette during hers) then on to a round bed in the middle of the floor.
Now this girl knew how to kiss. She lingered and probed and explored my mouth with hers until I was really ready for it. Everything I wanted was on offer – 69, digits, the best doggy I’ve ever had – not kneeling on all fours but prone with her ass up – mish, and cowgirl. I slowed it down as long as I could but then just had to let the juice flow. Afterwards, tender cuddling and kissing until time was up.
Back out into the bar, she says “I want a dreenk” and, upon further enquiry, “veesky.” Now here’s a girl after my own heart. Shag first, scotch second. Right priorities. I made a mistake and invested in 2 JW Black Labels (700 r) because I was feeling generous, but the conversation afterwards was warm and interesting. There were a bunch of guys in there by now and she could have dropped me quickly and made more money, but seemed content to stay. She had to take her turn dancing at the pole from time to time, during which I had to pay a couple of other very nude and steaming dancers a few 100s, but she always came back and danced for me. I was hard as a rock every time.
Her friend came over – stupendous ass – and announced she had a ‘take-out’ for the rest of the night. Intrigued, I told Eireida I didn’t know that was possible. She said “you don’t ask!” Got me thinking about the next night. I’d already decided to come back, so I told her maybe we’d do that tomorrow, if the price was right.
It was after 3:00am when I walked back through the silent streets of Moscow a happy man.
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About midnight went back to Oh La La. The goons recognized me at the door, which was cool because the scan was cursory and they missed the digital camera in my pocket. There was a new girl at the bar who spoke passable English, and as I was getting myself a beer Eireida comes in all smiles and dressed in a sexy green one-piece outfit. Kisses on both cheeks, formal style but warm, and she sits down, asks for a juice.
It was Sunday night and there were no guys in there except me. About 15 women – again of mixed quality but mostly fair to good-looking. They were largely chatting to each other in corners of course, and the girls at the pole were gyrating slowly, quite listless and bored. No action in the club at all. My girl and I sat down in a corner, and a couple of dancers came over to do their number on my crotch and collect 100r (Eireide just watched calmly, no problem for her) but soon enough everybody realized I was there for her and left us alone.
I’ve spent many nights in clubs over the years, but this one was unique. A total gfe experience with a very nice human being in one sexy body. No rush or pressure tonight, the scenario was clear to both of us – an evening together of close companionship and conversation with sex whenever I felt like it. Naturally, I had to keep buying at the bar to keep her out of trouble with the management, but in all other respects it was an intimate night out with a new girlfriend.
We talked about what she did today, what I did today, a couple of drinks, then she asked what I wanted to do. I’d thought about the take-out option of the night before, but after a day’s consideration it didn’t sound like a good idea. I’d be falling asleep by 4.00am and she’d be wide awake, not the best situation in my hotel room for a number of reasons. So I said I’d like to spend the night with her here, and we could go to the VIP room a couple of times for 30 minutes. She was cool with that, and so we went for the first session.
Even better than last night. In the room, I took out the camera and she agreed to pictures, posing in both coy and slutty ways for my pleasure and enjoyment. Got some great shots – face, tits, pussy, everything, she had no qualms at all. Then on to the round bed, and this time straight to 69 with her on top, no condom, and she rode me all the way with her soft mouth to a shattering climax. I thought briefly about pulling out, but somehow I couldn’t do it.
I generally avoid the cim girls, but this one didn’t appear to be stupid or rapacious or already infected and without conscience. Just went with my instincts here, though of course it’s a risk. Mostly for her, of course, but there will be no problem there from me. Perhaps she sensed that too. Anyway, it was like having sex with a lover, but without the complications. Best of both worlds.
Back in the bar she was cold, so I took off my jacket and put it round her shoulders. She snuggled into me while we had some more drinks, and I slipped my hand inside the jacket and slowly felt her up – tits and pussy – for a good while in the darkened corner. It brought back many happy memories of my youth, though I’m glad I can pay for this now and don’t have to do it seriously any more.
A second session later, and extremely enjoyable too, but this time I just couldn’t come. No matter. We went through every position, she worked hard for me, alternately tender and then fiery, soft then dominatrix, this girl was value for money. Finally, she decided to please herself using my body, and so she began a lengthy revolving grind of her hips, totally engulfing my cock in her pussy, looking away into the distance in some mental place of her own, slowly building to her climax, nothing said, no fake moans, until she reached that tense urgent stillness and tight grip, holding it for a while with tiny tremors going through her body.
I watched this from below in utter pleasure. I knew I was paying for this, but there was something quite satisfying in being able to give more than cash. When she lowered herself to me we kissed a long time, and I said “did you really come?” and she looked me in the eye, waited a while and then said “no!” I roared with laughter. An honest woman too. What a find.
If I were still 26 this would be the girl for me. But she will just be a fond memory now. For a long time.
She gave me her e-mail but it doesn’t work. Maybe it’s the Russian transliteration, or maybe she didn’t want any contact. Either way, I can’t send her the pictures.
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150 what $ r Euros???
[QUOTE=Percent99]150 what $ r Euros???[/QUOTE]They asked for euros. Upstairs I paid dollars.
I know somebody was searching this girl...
Now on work again
If you tip her well she will do BBBJ + CIM in a very good wway!
She is even nicer in person
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=21971[/url]
IT
Guys n gals. I'm currently on a break from my wonderful bi siberian girlfriend and have started to check out different chatrooms to find a girl.
I've found a couple of places, but I feel I'm still in the dark. Must be something better, I reckon.
So, if anyone have tips about good chatrooms to meet chicks it's highly appreciated. Preferably normal non-pro places, but also places for pros.
My russian is still pretty poor, so I'd love to find a english speaking place.
Feedback appreciated.
Hi Folks
I am in Mosco currently on a busines trip, and having been at NF and other places, this time I need something where I can meet girls at their place since I can not bring them back to the hotel. Does anyone know a good location or place, especially as well for daytime?
Thx
Doc, you are absolutly right...but I'm not unhappy with the options which are left in our days!
The only thing which has changed for me is spending the money for restaurant or clubs instead directly for the chicken!
And really I still state Moscow as a paradise....do you remember the 2,10m tall girl which picked me after 3 hours fun in PZ???
Or the one who picked you by asking you "are you handsome" so lets go??
I learned that it's easier to get picked by a drunken teen then searching for the ultimative pro!
Just coming back from a amazing week....and will continue soon
Shos
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]"All I learned is Moscow is overrated for mongering.
its not the place that was 5 years ago.
If you want to know how it was go to Minsk or Kiev. "
Bez is right, neither Minsk nor Kiev are time machines back to Moscow 5 years ago... The Golden Age of FSU Mongering is long since over ... or for the die-hards who don't give up easily, it has become a question of creativity...[/QUOTE]
You are the first guy who is asking if you can take out a girl from Hotel???
[QUOTE=Titurel]In the last three years I tried several escort services. All experiences were so and so. Girls from 6-max. 8 - routined, professional, sometimes tired.
Once I found the time to visit a girl in a apartment (1905 - found on dosug. Nu - clubs/salons). Young girl - not a beauty (5) - ready to please in every way BUT also ready for everything without condom.
I wonder if I could take the girls in Ukraina out of the hotel? Any (good) experiences on board?
Where can I find really young aged (non silicone) beautiful girls even for high prices? Only in nightclubs?[/QUOTE]
Shos:
I agree with you... for me personally, Moscow is still the easiest place for freebies.
Yeah, I remember your 2,10m girl... one of the most impressive physical specimens I have ever seen... :) I also remember that she was being hit on by a Russian guy and left with you... so you scored one for the home team.. :)
As for my "ty krasivy?" girl, I also remember the 2 Ukrainians I was trying to get to go home with me when little blondie came in and asked me "are you handsome?" I said, "da, ochen" and left with her within about a minute... leaving the dumbfounded indecisive Ukrainians at the bar alone... my second fastest club pull ever.
Hope to hear from you soon!
I definately agree that Moscow must be the best place fot freebees. It's so much money here now that some of the dyevs even insist on paying for drinks and fun.
After I learned some basic russian I hardly never use pros. And also more and more young girls speak some english.
Generally, if You have time, I would recommend the freebee-scene. Girls are very self confident, horny and definately know what they want. And they still like foreigners, to practice both sex and english.
But fortunately the pro scene is still very well developed. Very convenient if you don't have time to go out and pull, or you just want some quick and easy no-strings-attached sex. And honestly you can still strike gold with pros. I even met pros that don't wanna go home because they want more sex. And no extra charge.
Agreed Fineart, very well put. Hope we can hookup in Moscow to go trawling and bar crawling together. Would be great if some Moscow iconic bar-hopping pros like Shos and Richard Cabro could join us.
One the craziest things that happened to me was banging a gorgeous 20ish dyev who is so rich that she has a bodyguard and a chaffeur... always picks me up in new cars, last time a huge BMW 745i, fucks me for a while and gets driven away by her bodyguards. I always walk her to her car afterwards and enjoy the looks the bodyguard opening the door for her gives me... every time afterwards I ask myself "why me?" and then a few minutes later shower, get redressed and head out into the night looking for something new...
I love banging pros too, sometimes paying is the simplest and most appropriate solution (especially for businessmen), but sometimes the "call of the wild" gets me and I have to find something new, to hunt and devour a new freebie girl from a club. maybe I'm making up for lost time and the girls I DIDN'T have back in high school.
Kiev, St.Pete... great places with their own special flavor that I love in their own way... the sheer overwhelming beauty of Ukrainian girls and the intellectual character, natural class and sexual desire of passionately cool and eternally gloomy St.Pete women...
...but Moscow still is the place with the most energy and the wildest women I've ever known. I've met so many young girls that love to party and feel the NEED to party, because they are so afraid of missing out on something in their youth. If you can "kidnap" one of these vixens from a boring day or night and show them a good, fun and exciting time, it almost always pays off with affection and sex. And another great thing about the students... when you are twice their age and you still look good and classy or cool, they love to go out with you where you can show them off, they can show you off, yet most still don't expect anything more than a casual affair. There is the risk of stomping on a heart or two, but that's life and the nature of love and affection, win some lose some.
I personally never make promises, always make them know that it's not more than an affair... almost all accept it for what it us and go for it anyway, others are saving themselves for a serious man and we end it... which is fine by me. I've dealt with crying girls, crazy moms and angry dads enough already. :)
Thats an idea doc. Whereabout are you in Moscow? I'm southwest, close to the university.
Hey Skank,
Glad to see you're winning the war on both fronts - UKR and Rossiya. You consistently demonstrate that confidence, cultural knowledge and a can-do attitude bring big rewards.
I'm planning a big trip to Moscow - I've never been before - next April to coincide with the UK Easter break. I'm thinking of doing it 'oligarch style': staying at the Hotel Ararat, splurging on the champagne in clubs and generally playing it large - something I could probably manage for 3 days :D. Would this approach work with Moscow girls? Or are they generally well-paid enough not to care that much?
I've heard it's pretty tough to get into the best clubs - lots of the dreaded 'Feis Kontrol', with being a Westener not really counting for much. Are the 'elite' clubs (I've heard names like Propaganda, Gazgolder and Fabrique bandied about) necessarily the best for scoring with freebies? Is sitting in the VIP section particularly important? And, where do you get the cute student types - I guess, the equivalent of 112 and PaTiPa in Kiev? It's the just-arrived-in-moscow-broke-but-want-to-have-a-good-time type that I'm really after ;)
Well, if the freebies don't materialise there's always NightFlight and Boarhouse - but I'm not just looking to repeat the River Palace experience in a more expensive place :) How do these places in reality compare to the boat?
I've heard that the one respect in which Moscow greatly outclasses Kiev is strip clubs - they're plentiful, good value/quality and allow take home. I think I remember Mister XXX being particularly highly recommended. Any thoughts on this?
If you're around then, we've got to meet up and do a spot of sharking. BTW I heard you and Alphamale had a good time in Kiev and came across Oxana (an RP girl I tried) in PaTiPa - did you get a chance to spend some time with her? She's a real cracker, very sweet and obliging, and speaks no English.
2.10m = 6'9'' !!!
Did she have big hands? And feet? :)
I've heard of scoring big, but this really takes the biscuit.
Fineart:
I don't live in Moscow, just visit regularly. I almost always live on Tverskaya. Will definitely contact you before my next trip in a couple of weeks.
Ash1001:
You've researched Moscow pretty well! Oligarch style is a good approach, although I still recommend apartments. But if you are going to stay in hotels, Ararat is a good choice, location-wise as well. A few nice clubs right in that area. If you are going to splurge, it's going to cost you a fortune though. Champagne and VIP will set you back $$$ in the good clubs. You'll surely get attention, but I have no experience personally if this is your meal ticket to Pussy Buffett. I usually don't "oligarch"... :) If you are planning on oligarching, you might be better off just finding a girl to sponsor for $400/12 hours and fuck the shit out of her as opposed to making the club owners richer.
Of the clubs you mentioned, actually only Gazgolder is elite. Prop and Fabrique are clubs frequented by local expats as well and therefore they only have mild face control. The top clubs in Moscow now are Opera, Dagilev and First.
There is no 112 in Moscow, the closest being Karma Bar... i.e. a club where almost only foreigners go. There are some excellent cocktail bars in Moscow however, lots of expats there too... and cute girls like these palces, usually girls 23-30... some of these type establishments purposely face control girls 18-22 and don't let them in. All in all Kiev does have a different flair as compared to Moscow. There are many mid-level clubs in Moscow that are excellent sources for talent. Many many well-reputed clubs I have never been to simply because there isn't time to go to them all. Fresh, Lionheart, Slava to name a few.
There aren't many tourists in Moscow, in fact you'll never notice any except around Red Square. They don't factor into club life at all, except at Prop and Karma. The expats living in Moscow are almost all businessmen and behave a bit differently than tourists in Kiev who have "desperate for sex" written all over them.
Internet is a good source of women for Moscow.
NightFlight is superior to the Boat in almost every way in my opinion. RP MIGHT have a SLIGHTLY higher level of girl in terms of beauty, but NF girls are more human than the robotic cash-sucking machines at RP. It's not as brutal in its nature as RP where you are constantly reminded that you are only a wallet. Boarhouse has to be experienced to be understood. Some love it, others hate it. Been there too many times already myself. Girls less stunning than NF or RP and plenty of trolls, but a good shopper can pull some gems out of there.
Strip clubs are a great option if you have lots of cash, but I hear MisterXXX wasnt so great recently. I'm not a strip club expert though, so I can't really say.
I met Alphamale in Kiev and had a great time going out, actually I was at language school that whole week. Didn't meet Oxana... actually only took one pro that week, from the internet. $100/2 hours... a 7. Pulled one freebie from Silvers and one from Kaif (yes, it reopened) and one from the internet. Struck out at PaTiPa and 112. Was a bad time to be in Kiev actually in terms of women. Tons of foreigners and few girls, they were all on holiday somewhere.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Agreed Fineart, very well put. Hope we can hookup in Moscow to go trawling and bar crawling together. Would be great if some Moscow iconic bar-hopping pros like Shos and Richard Cabro could join us.
Would love to hook up with you guys but I’ve just left Moscow after a brief but educational (hehe) sojourn.
Spent last weekend in SPB – not a lot to report. Saturday night at Rossi and Sunday evening at one of the Photomodeli establishments that are well covered in the SPb forum.
Monday I moved to Moscow and to ensure that I did not return to the Black Hole (aka CF) I had planned something fairly radical for me – I imported a GF to Moscow. Now this seems pretty dumb, like taking wood to the forest or selling sand to the Arabs but it just kind of happened.
A few months ago I was in a disco bar in a provincial town in Belarus and met quite a cute girl. A few weeks later she sent me an email and after a couple of email exchanges she asked when we could meet again. The only option on the horizon was Moscow so she bought a ticket and joined me.
In fact she arrived before me and when I checked into the hotel the room was lit by candles and covered in rose petals. I think I kissed this girl once 4 months earlier and 30 seconds into our second date the clothes were off. Now, I’m no Brad Pitt (or Harrison Ford for that matter), yet here is a regular girl from Belarus on her first visit to Moscow planning and executing the seduction of a guy she hardly knows. Does this happen anywhere else in the world?
The sex was only interrupted for a couple of hours whilst we went out to Shanty for some Thai food. Tuesday we did a bit of tourist stuff and went to Pushkin Café for dinner.
Wednesday things went pear shaped. I had some business to take care of and the GF joined my clients and me for dinner. We drank a lot of vodka, she didn’t. At some point in the evening she returned to the hotel to go to sleep, not a happy bunny. I let her go as, after just 2 days together, I was staring to feel a little claustrophobic and smothered. It’s not only the sex that’s intense with these girls. When the lecture started on how to conduct my business meeting (ie; don’t drink vodka) I knew the game was up.
I didn’t return to my hotel until Thursday afternoon by which time my GF had departed for Belarus. Where had I been? The Black Hole of course, and then to my clients apartment for a party with Alla and Victoria, both $300 each for the night.
Way to be a wild man RC!
Do hope we can all hook up in the near future and have an ISG night out...
Haven't been to CF/the Black Hole in a while... I can hear it calling me... :)
This girl is a freebie I've posted before...
Many thanks for all that info. I agree that staying in your own apartment is definitely a better bet for the frequent visitor in terms of the freedom it gives you. It's just that as a total Moscow newbie, I'd feel safer in a hotel with reception staff to - in theory - help you.
What sort apartment do you get for your money in Tverskaya Street? I usually stay somewhere really nice (that's if you ignore the common areas :)) and central in Kiev for not more than $100 a night, but I would imagine Moscow to be *much* pricier than that. Is that the case?
I'm actually quite keen on the cocktail bar scene as opposed to loud nightclubs, as there is far more opportunity to talk. Which bars have the best talent and atmosphere?
The idea of sponsoring a girl for the week end does sound interesting - although you would be stuck with her for the whole time! Is this something you'd set up via the internet? Have you tried it?
I wonder how much a long term sponsorship arrangement would cost, and how you'd go about arranging it. With the sort of $ sloshing around Moscow at the moment, you're probably looking at thousands per month for a model quality girl. Unless, of course, she actually *likes* you :)
Ash:
The quality of apartment in Moscow is lower than Kiev and there are far fewer available. Kiev really does have good value apartments available. Moscow apartments usually seem to be imperfect. I know, I've stayed in most of the advertised ones at one point or another... :)
A good (but usually not great) centrally located (Tverskaya) apartment in Moscow usually costs about $150/night or more.
If comfort and flash are of primary concern, a 5* hotel might be the better bet. Plan on $400/night for a hotel though, Ararat maybe even more.
I'll PM you with cocktail bar info, but can't guarantee they'll be quiet places you can talk comfortably in... :)
An upper tier sponsor girl costs about $3000-5000/month or more. I've even been quoted more than $10,000+ before for absolute top drawer girls. One girl even quoted $10,000/HOUR and she wouldn't admit she's kidding. Only an oligarch or Arabian prince could pay that.
A weekend (2 nights and an afternoon) with an upper tier girl would probably be about $1000+, or $500+/24 hours. I usually got quoted $500 "...and I'm yours".... this meaning about 16 hours. Sponsorship girls are generally looking for long-term arrangements and if its only short-term they charge accordingly. Top girls are also selective with whom they are seen. They can't go to the same top clubs every weekend with different guys otherwise soon they will lose their rep and market value.
If you only need the night (8 hours or so) $300 will usually get the job done. True amateurs might go for less. I am meeting a girl in St.Pete in 2 weeks for $50... we'll see how that goes... :)
All the above prices are approximate. It's all about negotiation. Lesser cute girls can cost a bit less. Girls who think more of themselves cost more. Sponsorship can be arranged via internet and then in a personal meeting. A lot of the top girls are looking for sponsors, including some girls in the top elite clubs. I've never done any long-term sponsorship since it doesn't suit my purposes, but it is an intruiging option. Short-term sponsorship is simply prostitution and a viable alternative to NF, CF, internet girls or salons. You can make seperate arrangements to meet outside the club with NF or CF girls as well, strippers same story. Strippers are a good option too, if money is no object.
IT Travel has written a lot on sponsorship and is more experienced than I in that market, check out the reports of distinction section...
A guide recommands this company for short-term apartment rental in Moscow :
[url]http://www.flatlink.ru/menu_left/short_term_apart_m_eng.htm[/url]
I don't know about the exact locations of all the apartments displayed on this site, but the rates for a studio or a one-bedroom apartment are in the 90 €-120 €/day price range.
Some are discounted to 65 €/day for longer stays of three weeks and more, and seem confortable enough. Those attractive rates make me consider seriously a few weeks stay in Moscow.
Hope this help.
Apartments are definately a better option than hotels. 100-150 USD, as compared to 400 USD in hotels, should not need to be a source to any doubts.
Also, apartment is better if u case freebees. Hotels can make them feel insecure, and also feel like prostitutes. But of course security can be an issue, specially if you just met the girl.
I've been going out with same siberian beauty for more than a year now. And we've been travelling a bit together. But sometimes I come to Msk incognito to try out other options.
I have an african (19) and a chinese (20) lined up for the next few days. Met on the net. They're both suggesting threesomes. Meaning two girls and I:)
No talk about money yet. They claim to be students here.
My sibirskaya also is into lesbian fun. Even if we're on a break right now, she says she's very interested in taking part. Her erotic dream is to see me fuck another girl, while she does the oral labor;) Reports will follow.
Prosal:
Nice link! Some more humanely priced apartments than the ones I usually take on Tverskaya... :)
I've stayed all over the city and in the end, I still prefer staying on Tverskaya personally. The Arbat area is also OK, as is Chisty Prudy.
I personally avoid the Belorusskaya, Mayakovskaya (unless directly on Tverskaya) areas as I find them to be quite impractical.
ASH1001:
When looking at the apartments, IMHO you should consider 5 factors:
1) is it close (walking distance) to a metro? If you are staying more than a day or two and have free time, metro is an important, fast and economical way to get around.
2) is it in an area where you can easily get a taxi? Some side streets have so little traffic you have to walk 15 minutes to get a taxi, a pain!
3) are there shops and cafes within walking distance? You'll need to do occasional shopping and have a base to stop into for coffee or breakfast... or take a girl.
4) are there clubs and bars within a short distance? This isn't a must and Moscow clubs are spread throughout the city, but if there is a good club "around the corner" it can be very practical in terms of convincing girls to "drop in for tea".
5) will you be able to easily communicate to a Russian-speaking cab driver how to bring you home? For those who speak limited Russian, this is important. Gagarinsky Perulok for example is nowhere near the Gagarin monument on Leninsky... many cabbies are not Moscow natives either and do better if their goal is a simple location like Arbat or Pushkin square.
In terms of those 5 factors, I think Tverskaya (Pushkinskaya incl.) and Arbat score highest...
And don't forget, get your passport registered once you arrive in Moscow if you stay in an apartment.
Prosal:
Thanks for that FlatLink website address. It looks pretty comprehensive, and interestingly has flats for sale too. What you have to pay per sq metre makes for some grim reading.
Doctor_Skank:
Once again, thanks for your detailed and considered advice. Regarding the ease of explaining where your apartment is to taxi drivers (who, as you say, are often not natives of the city) - I've had similar problems in Kiev, especially when staying more than 10mins away from Khreshchatyk. For example Laboratornaya Str. is the new (post Soviet) name for Ulyanova Str. but the A-Z maps that the drivers use often have the old name. This confused the hell out of one guy and turned a 5min ride into a 1/2 hr one!
The Hyatt Ararat Hotel has a special weekend rate (Fri & Sat) of EUR 387 instead of their usual EUR 531 per night for week days. I'm sure other pricey hotels do the same thing. But from my second visit I'll definitely go for a nice apartment, once I've gained a feel for the city.
Incidentally, do freebies in Moscow have a complex about going back to a hotel with you? Many 'nice' girls in Kiev will only go back to an apartment, thinking that going to a hotel (even a top end one) is somehow seedy.
I assume you spend much more of your time in the mid level clubs than the Elitny ones - probably because you've figured that they generate similar results for a much lower outlay? I'll probably end up doing the same thing but do want to have at least one proper 'oligarch' night :)
Regarding sponsorship, the real top of the range girls are probably out of my league (I'm only a pretend oligarch) and wouldn't want to spoil a long term arrangement, or the possibilty of one, with a one-off $500 deal. No real problem for me as I've always preferred the cute student type to catwalk material. It sounds like you could go to Boarhouse (maybe not NF) on a Saturday night and offer a girl $500 to stay with you till Monday morning. If that includes being entertained and taken out during this time, I really can't see why she'd refuse.
On which site did you meet the SPB girl? Are there different sites for Mosocow and SPB? And BTW, how do you get your PC to type in Cyrillic?
You know, I've never been to Moscow but already have an incredibly detailed plan of exactly what I'm going to do :) An elite club or two, some nice bars, NF, Boarhouse, Mister XXX and/or 911 VIP! That's without factoring in time for Red Sqaure, the Kremlin and a Moskva river cruise. Maybe I could do all that with my sponsored girl :)
There's actually a 'nightlife consultant' based in Moscow who knows management and security at all the top clubs, can get you in anywhere, and recommend exactly which club is the most happening on any particular night. His website is [url]http://www.dreammoscownights.com[/url]. Do you reckon it's worth using his services?
I'm budgeting around $3000-3500 for the whole trip, whereas a weeked break in Kiev seems to always come in at around $1000. I wonder if that 3:1 ratio applies across the board?
Ash1001:
Although generally some girls really don't like to go back to hotels for fear of being thought of as prostitutes, this is however primarily a concern in "Russian-style" or tourist hotels. High-end business hotels, especially well-known ones like Ararat or impressive ones like SwissOtel, do have their own charm and some girls are very interested to get a peak inside. When I have "had" to stay at such places because of business reasons, I have never hesitated to bring girls back and you can easily "sell" the charms of such luxury hotels.
For an afternoon date I suggest you go to have a drink in the roof restaurant at Ararat, there is a nice view of the city from up there and after a drink, you can just pop into your room with your girl to "check out the facilities".
SwissOtel is the same, chicks are impressed with the view and like the sky bar.
Literally just around the corner from Ararat are, to name a few:
Vogue Cafe: good place for a date, but forget picking up girls there... except for the 2 or 3 high-priced pros that sometimes hang out there
Karma Bar: popular expat club, sometimes it sucks horribly, sometimes its heaven.
Close to Ararat as well are Prop, Club XIII, Che, Petrovich etc.
A $500 Saturday-Monday arrangement might work... but I wouldn't pay it all up front... :) You could probably get an internet girl to go for that arrangement as well, and a Sunday tour guide is a nice thing to have.
As for clubs, I go through phases. As summer isn't really club season, I have actually been mostly hanging with regular girlfriends and doing normal Moscow things like going to the park, the marina or private parties. When I do club though, I tend to go to elite clubs when I am with a fellow businessman and go to mid-level student clubs when I am alone. Both type of club has its charm and merits. Club season "unofficially" opens about October 1st...
And don't forget to go to Real McCoy.
Not sure on the night life guide... never used his services.
StP and Mos use the same dating websites.
To type in cyrillic you have to activate cyrillic font on your computer. With XP its really easy... and to make it even easier, buy a cyrillic/english keyboard in Moscow and take it home with you, otherwise you'll have to memorize where all the cyrillic characters are.
doc... if you ever decide to try out shoskovitches 2.1 metre girl... you had better tie a 2X4 on your ass or we will NEVER hear from you again!
CaT
the only waste of time was inviting her for the Jacuzzi in the apartment...she was sitting next to me and her feet were in the sink ....I'm sure you know which apartment I mean...
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]doc... if you ever decide to try out shoskovitches 2.1 metre girl... you had better tie a 2X4 on your ass or we will NEVER hear from you again![/QUOTE]
Thanks Skank.
You've really whetted my appetite :) I assume early April is still club season, as Moscow is still cold and summer is some way off?
I've heard of both the Real McCoy and Che - apparently they're where the regular Muscovite office dyevs go when they really want to be picked up. Kind of a Hungry Duck for 2006. And Club XIII is an Elitny place, right?
Vogue Cafe and Cafe Pavilion are two places that also seem to ring a bell. I'm guessing they're a bit like Prada Cafe in Kiev - now that's a *great* place to take a date ;) Remember to buy her a Kalyan, they all seem to love that.
I think I will give this nightlife guide a try. It'll give me something else to report back on in any case. Despite having to pay his fee, it may actually cut costs overall.
DOC,
Have you known a mamushka called Elena. She is around 32, originally from ST PETE.
She preferred to meet at CF. She works w. desirable goddesses.
I heard that her girls offer unforgettable services.
Ash
Club XIII is not really a elitny place but very reasonable when they organize special parties. The best party I ever joined in Moscow so far was Halloween there 2 Years ago!
Real McCoy I recommend Thursday Night, a great Live Band is playing and the girls really freak out. Further I would go there 6 a.m. Saturday or Sunday for the last minute option or for the ultimative Long Island Ice Tea!
Vogue Cafe is a cozy place, mainly stuffed with married, former beauties which are tired from shopping. But reasonable food in a relaxed atmosphare everyday.
just my bloody expierence
Shos
[QUOTE=Ash1001]Thanks Skank.
You've really whetted my appetite :) I assume early April is still club season, as Moscow is still cold and summer is some way off?
I've heard of both the Real McCoy and Che - apparently they're where the regular Muscovite office dyevs go when they really want to be picked up. Kind of a Hungry Duck for 2006. And Club XIII is an Elitny place, right?
Vogue Cafe and Cafe Pavilion are two places that also seem to ring a bell. I'm guessing they're a bit like Prada Cafe in Kiev - now that's a *great* place to take a date ;) Remember to buy her a Kalyan, they all seem to love that.
I think I will give this nightlife guide a try. It'll give me something else to report back on in any case. Despite having to pay his fee, it may actually cut costs overall.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that Shos.
I'm going to be in Moscow from Fri 6th to Mon 9th April - not long at all - and need to make the most of my time. I won't be able to see Real McCoy on a Thursday (damn!) but let's hope my 6am long island iced tea has a long legged icy beauty attached to it :)
Fri & Sat will be my main going out nights. I'm trying to decide whether to focus on the Elitny or mid range clubs.
Is it hard to get into the likes of First and Dyagilev? And what sort of $ should you expect to spend? Ultimately, is it worth it, or can you do just as well in Propaganda and Slava? What's your experience been?
I'm splashing out on Hotel Ararat so I hope that pays dividends.
If all else fails there is NF, Boarhouse and take home strip clubs, but I'm aiming for the kill :)
sponsorship
doc thanks for advising to me for sponsorship, but i just was trying it some times, and i’ll do it more.
what is sponsorship in the russian way?
usually it’s a girl staying with you all the time, living with you, as she was your girlfriend, and acting in the same way. you will have to pay food, accommodation, some gifts, an al the fun (cinema, disco, theatre, restaurant and what ever). gifts for some girl can be expensive: not only some clothes, but even some jewellery, or trips to sea resorts in turkey, or in sochi.
in change of that you get a real gfe, almost as real with the girl usually very obedient (!) even on the sex side: bbbj, cim, often swallowing are mandatory, with some time you usually get them all to anal. on ground they are sponsored they do not have to be jealous, so you can get some afternoons with other girl, or even get weekends with the girl and some of her best friend, for a nice duo. usually there are no lesbians, but if you find a bisexual…
faq
how to find them?
the best way to get sponsored girls is, in my opinion, via internet.
on [url]www.omen.ru[/url] you will find hundreds over whole russia, some even putting out the price. the other site (needs registering) but surely much more girls is [url]www.flirt.com.ua[/url] i just use the ua version because i registered there, but the database is the same for a lot of russian sites.
how to get in touch and evaluate?
in all the sites you will find hundreds of girls, with different communicating system: via the site pm; icq, messenger (few) or even telephone number. the best way is getting in touch, make a date for a drink or a dinner and just evaluate them (you know photos…) ask openly what for what (sexual preferences, other , and money) and how much. then decide to sponsor them or not for a next trip. the meeting saves you from a lot of “problems”.
choosing
if you just need a sexual weekend, just find a girl making you horny, like an 18-19 y.o. even with no english (the mouth will be occupied in any case!). otherwise go to 23-25 y.o. with some english and perhaps an interesting, and underpaid, work. it might be a surprise.
sponsor starting!
get in an hotel, and reserve for two, with their real name and they have to give the passport at the reception for registration. your insurance against theft (you never know). but with this system you avoid all problems. if you are living in a private house the thing is different. living with an unknown person… mhhh: i would lock a copy of her passport in the safe.
gifts.
start the sponsorship with a small gifts, usually these are poor girls, very sensitive. go for some underwear, perfume, a new phone or a small digital camera (depends on the sponsoring period) from 50 to 200 usd. she will start in a good way. make some unasked and un waited gifts.
sex
you should expect from her all sex you want, more than from your girlfriend. my friend (sponsored) “piggy no pants” even wanted to go to a sex-shop! my advice is, even if offered, go only for covered fuck and anal. in mouth everything should be uncovered. buy cream and oils for massage, and might that every russian girl would like to experiment two things a big bubble bath with you, and a jacuzzi with bathing salts!
might that usually they get horny and wet too.. it’s another way of making sex than what it is with a pro!
when you go out.
always be polite. in her conception she is not a bit**, just a girl in need, make her to participate to your life, your things. you might be surprised some my be really clever and well educated… you will notice all this in a couple of days, if you are not 50 and she is not 18, you might even take them to social occasions… usually they are not stupid. i presented “piggy no pants” as one “reserve” interpreter. her english is quite good, and she is not stupid at all. by the way looking at this chubby girl no one was thinking i was fucking her…
payment.
if it’s a short period (long weekend) pay her afterwards, with counted money, in dollars, and do not be a stupid with the change, 20/30 usd more do not make any difference. hand over the money discreetly. if your is a monthly or more agreement, just make a down payment (10%) and then pay her weekly… she might need the money for children, sisters a old babushka or whatever. make so they do not need to ask.
prices
may vary on the girl. beauty and age, knowledge of english.
a teenager from outside moscow, so so, but exciting and doing everything will go for 300 usd/day. a little older one for 250usd/day, some even less. some get sponsored for evenings (and nights only) for 150, but usually you have to invite her to a dine (i may suggest the mirror hall in yar, it will be 50/70 each, but she will be very impressed and you will get good food).
a weekend (fri eve. - mon morn.)an go from 500 – 800.
iriska was offering me (she is in a desperate need of money i suppose, her and her friend olia, with anal (only her) for 900 usd… no lesbian.
the thing is different when you go for long-time. standard rates are 30.000 rur a month, 60.000 and 100.000. usually teens or just above.
problems
in my opinion there is only one problem in long (not holiday) sponsoring. if i got the girls of this pictures, i will not work nearly at all… just going around, fucking them at least four-five times a day. a couple of hours of daty etc. that is just the problem…
any question (public only) welcome
i’ll soon write on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] on kiev, which, in reality, is a sponsor girl… not really a pro…
pictures are taken from omen, from girls usually offering a price. all in moscow, avaliable now, less than 22 y.o.
it
>Fri & Sat will be my main going out nights. I'm trying to decide whether to >focus on the Elitny or mid range clubs.
Go definitely for the elitny clubs. You will get a great experience you cannot become in a mid-range club. Better people, nicer girls,....
>Is it hard to get into the likes of First and Dyagilev?
It depends on you. I have usually never problems to get in, sometimes it's even much more difficult to pass the face control of a mid-range club. Dress well, trendy, good shoes and appear a bit "russian styled", i.e. be arrogant to the security. Best clubs are Krisha, Gazgolder and with some distance Dyagilev, First, Opera. Dyagilev is in the "public area" very often overcrowded and therefore I recommend to reserve a table there to have fun.
>And what sort of $ should you expect to spend?
Depends, if you buy a table USD 1'500-10'000. Common price for a whiskey coke is RUB 450-500 (=approx USD 20). I think with USD 500-1000 for a night you can have some fun.
Ash
Fri 6th to Mon 9th April? dont worry I will be there all the time!
Expenses, well I count with 6K - 10k Rubels for a cool party night (at Dagjeliev, First or Shosse) + max. 10k if I have to pay for a chicken burger in a drive in stand(Tochka)....but really there is no need for going shopping!
More simple class clubs suchs PZ or even Slava which is a bit away from the centre you can have fun with 5k....
Shos
[QUOTE=Ash1001]Thanks for that Shos.
I'm going to be in Moscow from Fri 6th to Mon 9th April - not long at all - and need to make the most of my time. I won't be able to see Real McCoy on a Thursday (damn!) but let's hope my 6am long island iced tea has a long legged icy beauty attached to it :)
Fri & Sat will be my main going out nights. I'm trying to decide whether to focus on the Elitny or mid range clubs.
Is it hard to get into the likes of First and Dyagilev? And what sort of $ should you expect to spend? Ultimately, is it worth it, or can you do just as well in Propaganda and Slava? What's your experience been?
I'm splashing out on Hotel Ararat so I hope that pays dividends.
If all else fails there is NF, Boarhouse and take home strip clubs, but I'm aiming for the kill :)[/QUOTE]
I'm looking forward to it! You dudes are clearly experts.
So, my short list, based on advice and research, is:
Hotel: Ararat Hyatt (3 nights)
Clubs: Gazgolder, First, Shosse (inc. table bookings)
Strip clubs / take home: Mister XXX, 911 VIP
Other bars and clubs: Real McCoy, Che, Vogue Cafe
P4P: NightFlight, BoarHouse. I'm a little nervous about Tochkas though..
Total Budget: $5-6k
This is going to be one weekend to remember :)
All the best guys, and see you soon.
Ash
IT Travel !
Great report on sponsorships. Very helpful ! Guys like you are needed in this world.
Nevertheless, one kind request. My russian and probably that of many people on this site is very limited, therefore some difficulties occurr on using omen and flirt could, i tried but didn't quite make it, could you give a short help / introduction into the systems?
Many thanks!
I have just beein chatting on ICQ with this beauty.
Valerie: 18 y.o. just since six months. :))
173 cm, 55 kg, 84/63/90
and of course: 60000 руб a month... less than 1.800 €.
Of cours you have to put hotel (or house), food gifts and so on... two weeks, might be 5-6.000 €.
I'm hard working now, and perhaps I can have some more luck than usual. (hope so) If so she will be my Christmas present... :D
PS for two weeks I have to put at least 300 € on Cialis! And it's enogh the she is half as beautiful as in pictures!
IT
Hi all:
I finally found myself in Moscow for four and a half days. I had wanted to monger extensively, but that was seriously complicated by the fact that I had business colleagues with me and numerous early morning meetings and dinner engagements. However, I was able to hook up with a provider in a very non traditional way and thought I would share this experience.
My chance to break away from the group came on Friday PM and decided to cruise Tverskaya Blvd as I was staying at the Marriott T.. I really wanted to hit the Boar house, but I know from reading the board that things didn’t really get rolling until midnight and given my early schedule the next day, I figured it would be problematic. I decided on cruising Tverskaya as I had observed the previous nights that there were a few girls walking back and forth and my monger radar had perked up. There was especially this one tall redhead that I had seen and with whom I had exchange a significant eye to eye gaze, and a quick flirtaous smile. Wasn’t sure if this was a flirt or a come on, but I was hoping to find out, but knowing deep down that the chances were between nil and zilch!.
I cruised down the boulevard and there were a lot of people out. At Pushkin’s square, there was a band that was setup, playing some Rock classics, with lots of people hanging out, listening and dancing on the square. I hung out there for a while observing and listening to the mediocre music. Most women were clearly not working, but a few seemed to be and I almost approached them but my lack of Russian was a obstacle . As I left Pushkin’s Square, going up the stairs, from the street crossing tunnel, I feel a tap on my shoulder. I turn around and if it isn’t the same redhead!! This was too good to be true. She starts off with “you speak English don’t you?” in a pretty good English. That was enough to break the ice. We talked a few minutes right at the stairs, then started to stroll down tverskaya. She told me a bit about herself, and I shared limited information . Keep in mind that at this point, my monger radar is working overtime, I am deep down hoping that she is working, but still not sure given how weird this is all rolling out, and quite honestly not sure that this isn’t some kind of setup. After a couple of blocks I ask her if she wants something to drink- she says a coffee would be great. So we enter one of the many coffee shops and sit for about 30 minutes talking, sharing stories, and telling each other about ourselves. At this point I am learning more about her and I am certain she is working (no shit – right?!) and try to show that I am very interested. In retrospect I could/should have been more aggressive, but this is my first experience at this, and it is a little strange the way it is developing..
Turns out that her name is Alina, she claims to be from St. Petersburg, that she is visiting a friend in Moscow for the week. She is apparently a student in SP, and will be returning there in a couple of days – so she says. She is really tall, about 5’11” with heals, has incredibly beautiful curly long red hair, medium complexion, (a little too much makeup for my taste) and a really nice set of full breasts. After about 30mins of talking she excuses herself to go to the bathroom. At this point, I figured, she was on her way out and I wouldn’t see her again. But no, after a few minutes she comes back and tells me she has a proposal for me. She said she would like to go back to my hotel with me, where we could make “beautiful love for the rest of the night” – Oh yeah! At that point, I asked how much would I have pay for this, and she said $300. At that point, my shit-eating grin, quickly disappears, and I told her no, that was too much. She then countered with $200. I asked her if that was for the whole night and she said yes. My smile came back and we were off. We grabbed a rogue taxi to head back to the hotel. Interesting experience! Thank god she was negotiating the cab. Less then 10 minutes and 70 rubbles later, we arrived in front of the Marriott T. During the whole cab ride, it was like being with a newly found girlfriend. We were holding hands, light kissing off and on for the whole ride. Couldn’t really believe that this was really happening!
Now, I have read on the board about the walk of shame. At this point I had never really experienced this, even when hooking up pros in Vegas. But I got the full sensation this time. As we walked in, I gave her my arm which she quickly and gladly held on to. I walk past the 3 security goons in the lobby, and caught the 2 desk clerks giving me a look! I am sure I turned a couple shades of red, but what the hell, she was really cute, and I was going to have one hell of a session. We made it to the glass elevator, and the lobby quickly disappeared, all the while out of the corner of my eye I could see security watching me ;-) While we rode the elevator, she surprised me with a DFK kiss. Very sweet and a promise of things to come.
We got into the room, and told her to make herself comfortable. I asked her if she wanted something to drink, she said no, but wanted to take a shower. I of course agreed. While she shower, I pulled down the covers and made sure everything had been put away properly – it had. Ten minutes later she emerged in one of the hotel robes. I told her I was going next and she gave me a big grin. As she came out of the bathroom, I realized that her makeup was gone. This revealed what turned out to be a really pretty girl with beautiful pale white skin that perfectly complemented her red hair. Just looking at her got me hard! I got into the shower and took care of business. I emerged about 5 minutes later and walked into the room. She was already under the covers. As I came around the bed, she flipped back the sheets to reveal an incredibly nice body, nice firm breast and a completely shaved kitty. I got instantly hard. I jumped into bed in record time, pulled the covers over us and started indulging in passionate DFKs..
Without boring you with the details, for the next ~2 hours, we proceed to “make beautiful love”. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, 69, lots of caressing, all part foreplay. During my licking her, I swear she came, as all of sudden, she oozed sweet tasting juices all over my face. If she was faking, then she is truly an actress. During this time, the moaning got increasing louder and more intense. At one point she turned me around a told me to “fuck her hard”. For the next 30 minutes I proceeded to do her doggy and missionary, all the while she was moaning and screaming. It got to the point, I was afraid the other guests would complaint and I was fully expecting a knock on the door telling us to keep it down. Fortunately, the knock never came – but I certainly did. After coming a couple of times, I laid on the bed resting, she got up and took a shower. During that time I made sure to set the alarm to 7:00 to make sure that she would be up in time to head out before my AM meeting.
After she came back, I also took a quick shower. I returned to bed and she quickly curled up next to me, just like a girlfriend would. We quietly talk about this and that, lots of sweet nothings - told her how beautiful she is, how much I liked her hair, no makeup, etc. She then asked me what time my meeting was in the morning – I had shared that I had a meeting on Saturday earlier. She ask me if she could stay in the hotel until about noon even after I had to go. I explained to her that she couldn’t and she actually needed to leave by 8:00. She sounded disappointed, but said she understood. After a few more minutes, we fell asleep in each other’s arms.
When the alarm rang at 7AM, I about threw it out the window. It took all my strength not to call my colleagues and tell them to start the meeting without me – but that would not have been good. I gave Alina a big kiss, as she was waking up, and she started to rub my little friend. Next thing you know she is giving me an incredible BBBJ. After about 15 minutes of this, I slip the cover on and went to town. Again the moans grew louder. As she seemed to come, she dug her nails in my back which made me in turn explode in a hot second. I swear I still have some of those marks! We both collapsed on the bed and rested for a few minutes. After that, I went to take a shower first and proceeded to get dressed as she showered. By 8:30, we were both dressed and ready to go.
Before sending her on her way, I paid her the agreed amount, and a little bit more (call me weak! For the true GFE). She then asked me to accompany her down stairs so that she could take the cab. Now keep in mind that I was supposed to meet my colleagues in the lobby around 9:00. It was now 8:45 and they had been early in the past couple of days. I could just see it now, trying to explain to them what the hell was going on! Oh well, you only live once! We headed out of the room and I gave her my arm. Again she grabbed it like a true girlfriend. As the glass elevator emerged above the lobby area, I quickly scanned the lobby, and to my relief only hotel personnel was around – Whew!!!. At this point the walk of shame seemed so much less important given the alternative of parading in front of uptight co-workers. We proceeded out the front door and turned down Tverskaya Blvd. About a block down, she flagged a taxi and negotiated the fee. I gave her 500 rubbles for the taxi – yeah I know, too much. We embraced like 2 love birds right there on the side walk, she got in the taxi and she was gone!.
I suddenly realized that in my haste, I hadn’t got her cell number – DAMN – and I would probably never see her again. I then walked around the block - bummed, entered the Marriot from the back side, and proceed up to my room being followed by several stares/glares. About 15 minutes later, I came down, met my co-workers as if nothing had happened. ;-)
In retrospect, I know that had I not had the meetings that Saturday AM, she would have easily stayed until noon, might have had another session, and maybe might have convinced her stay for the afternoon – maybe. Bottom line is that I got essentially 3 intense sessions, a lot of DFK, GFE cuddling, for essentially $200, plus $50 tip and 500 rubble cab ride with a really pretty and seemingly nice girl. I know I probably went a little overboard money-wise, but from my perspective worth every penny. My only 2 regrets, forgetting to get her phone number, and knowing that sessions like that for me are truly a once in a life time occurrence. I will treasure the memory of this session like few others – and when my significant other asks me why I am “smiling” I will need to come up with a convincing lie, as I can’t tell her what I am actually thinking about! I miss Russia already, and certainly can’t wait to return!
Stay Safe
AHT169
IT Travel !
Thanks again for latest update on sponsoring. Could you give a little help for only basic russian speakers how to enter?
Big thanks in advance!
Call me stupid but could someone tell me which door to use at Isthars. Been there twice pounded on all the doors but no answer.
Has anyone had experience renting apartments from "expresstorussia.com" or "city realty"? I have booked an apartment in Pushkinskaya, right across from Night Flight, so I assume someone from here has gone there before me. I just want to know if they are reliable, or will pull a "bait and switch" on me when I arrive!
Any feedback would be appreciated.
GT
I am arriving in Moscow (for my first visit) on Halloween!
I gather this is not celebrated the same way in Russia as it is in America, but I wondered if anyone knew of bars or clubs that had adopted the theme?
Alternatively, it being a Tuesday night, any recommendations for mid-week frolics? I see an old post of Dr. Skank's suggesting that PZ or Daiygelev was relatively good early in the week compared to others that really only get going as the weekend approaches. Any other views? I want to start my visit with a bang!
GT
Does anyone have anything good or bad about dosug.nu/? Thanks in advance.
Pat
For what it's worth...
If you read the reports on sextalk.ru, the two main sources of dyeffki are intimcity.ru and dosug.nu. They seem to have a high rate of reliability.
These are local guys reporting on sextalk, guys who live and work in Moscow, so I imagine they oughtta know their own back yard better than most. And the girls who advertise on dosug are aiming at the local market, not the oligarchs, so their prices are much more reasonable.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]For what it's worth...
If you read the reports on sextalk.ru, the two main sources of dyeffki are intimcity.ru and dosug.nu. They seem to have a high rate of reliability.
[/QUOTE]
Stravinsky,
Thanks, I thought I would give the internet a try for a change on my next trip. But even in America ordering by internet is so unpredictable.
Pat
[QUOTE=Pat Reno]Does anyone have anything good or bad about dosug.nu/? Thanks in advance.
Pat[/QUOTE]
It's a reliable, huge site, but as far as I know, most of girls there work with Russian clients and don't speak English.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]For what it's worth...
If you read the reports on sextalk.ru, the two main sources of dyeffki are intimcity.ru and dosug.nu. They seem to have a high rate of reliability.
These are local guys reporting on sextalk, guys who live and work in Moscow, so I imagine they oughtta know their own back yard better than most. And the girls who advertise on dosug are aiming at the local market, not the oligarchs, so their prices are much more reasonable.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with you... you will find nearly everything from price ranges of 5.000 to 20.000 RUR a night... mostly around 7.000-10.000.
You might consider also [url]www.ston.ru[/url] and [url]www.red-club.ru[/url] they share with [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] approx 30-40% of ads, but thre are different. Some time the photo is photoshopped, but only few time it's a real fake. Some pics are really big, so you see what you get!
As Helena is saying most girls do not speak English, just few words, but I'm not caring, with my basic Russian, some gestures we can make a full comprehension...
Be aware that most of the girls (as all women) are lying on age! So select the youngest one (my criteria is below a declared 21).
The comments you can find in these sites (in the site for [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] and [url]www.dosug.ru[/url], and via [url]www.sextalk.ru[/url] for the others) are very interesting. If you do not know Russian it's easy to use some on line translator. Surely the best and easiest search system are those on intimcity and red-club.
In these years I used surely more than 20 girls most from intimcity and went in some apartment of dosug... all was matching. Usually you get all that is written, if you tip good you can get some more like BBBJ, COF or others.
Might that some girl (low price) intend night as 5-6 hours, some will not kiss etc. Just ask!
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]
The comments you can find in these sites (in the site for [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] and [url]www.dosug.ru[/url], and via [url]www.sextalk.ru[/url] for the others) are very interesting. If you do not know Russian it's easy to use some on line translator. Surely the best and easiest search system are those on intimcity and red-club.
IT[/QUOTE]
IT, could you, please, drop a link or two on good on-line translators? I tried to use some, but they were too slow. I'm having difficulty with Germans. Some of them speak no English at all, but they still could be clients... Thank you for help ;)
[QUOTE=Helena Moscow]IT, could you, please, drop a link or two on good on-line translators? I tried to use some, but they were too slow. I'm having difficulty with Germans. Some of them speak no English at all, but they still could be clients... Thank you for help ;)[/QUOTE]
I do not understand what you mean with slow...
[url]www.translate.ru[/url]
[url]www.altavista.com[/url] then go to babel fish (referring to Bible...)
they are ok.. the problem it that all are thinkig to write as they do...
You have to use absolutely correct grammar, sinthiax, words and so on... no slang at all, the translation will be someting in what you want...
But if you write "Rear pussy is a Grant more!" a phrase that every one here will understand it will very different!
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]I do not understand what you mean with slow...
IT[/QUOTE]
Thanks again ;). With slow I meant that when I tried to translate web-sites, computer hanged for about an hour. But may be I should try just to load texts.
Try these....they are some of the coolest ones :):
[url]http://www.online-translator.com/srvurl.asp?lang=en[/url]
[url]http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box[/url]
[url]http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html[/url]
Will try, too ;) By the way, I checked my site in Firefox. It looks there even better than in Opera and Explorer. Harts beat faster. Anyway, thank you for the hints.
Sometime they just get overloaded, some will not translate some html type or version pages, so just try another...
For the text it's different... of course it's better to buy one, but the results are usually poor. Of course you understand what's going on... not much more!
IT
Best Haloween Party is going to take place in club 13!!!
Shos
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I am arriving in Moscow (for my first visit) on Halloween!
I gather this is not celebrated the same way in Russia as it is in America, but I wondered if anyone knew of bars or clubs that had adopted the theme?
Alternatively, it being a Tuesday night, any recommendations for mid-week frolics? I see an old post of Dr. Skank's suggesting that PZ or Daiygelev was relatively good early in the week compared to others that really only get going as the weekend approaches. Any other views? I want to start my visit with a bang!
GT[/QUOTE]
GT:
Dagilev isnt open during the week, its only open on weekends. I personally haven't been there for a couple of months, so can't confirm it's status anymore... PZ will never change, its a Moscow institution.... love it or hate it, at least you always know what to expect...
Everybody seems to be gravitating towards Opera as the hot elite club lately... I suggest you browse [url]www.afisha.ru[/url] for absolutely current club info... these things change really quickly, the "hot" clubs may go cold after even 3-4 months...
Shos:
I agree, Club XIII is the place to be on Halloween...
If she was good IT, could you post her to Sevastopol, Crimea. This place is deadly at the moment, no tourists, off to England soon via 1 week in Bankok?
[QUOTE=It Travel]I have just beein chatting on ICQ with this beauty.
Valerie: 18 y.o. just since six months. :))
173 cm, 55 kg, 84/63/90
and of course: 60000 руб a month... less than 1.800 €.
Of cours you have to put hotel (or house), food gifts and so on... two weeks, might be 5-6.000 €.
I'm hard working now, and perhaps I can have some more luck than usual. (hope so) If so she will be my Christmas present... :D
PS for two weeks I have to put at least 300 € on Cialis! And it's enogh the she is half as beautiful as in pictures!
IT[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sevastopol1]If she was good IT, could you post her to Sevastopol, Crimea. This place is deadly at the moment, no tourists, off to England soon via 1 week in Bankok?[/QUOTE]
If you ask her it might be possible... you will find her on [url]www.omen.ru[/url] sponsored girls, 18teen with ICQ.
I think that for real money she will do all... But she speaks only Russian. not a word of English.
IT
part two: drunken dyevs in the hungry duck
[the first installment of this novella was mistakenly posted in russia - general. you might want to read it first before embarking on this sequel]
for the moscow portion of my trip i tried to find another girl like valeria, my kyiv cutie, who would be both my interpreter and girlfriend, but to no avail. a couple of nibbles but no bites.
i also tried targeting girls who lived outside of moscow, with intent to lure them into the big city. this might seem like “bringing coal to newcastle” but my theory was that the market in moscow was over-developed and country girls might be more enticed by the opportunity to meet a western guy, or make some money, or at least get a big-city adventure out of the deal. plus, once they are in town, they have to stay with you! nice theory, but again no results. i had several responses, but one by one they mostly turned out to be scammers. once it was clear i was not sending any money in advance, only cod, they tended to fade away.
so i arrived in moscow with no firm arrangements in place, just a couple of proposed dinner dates. this was fine with me, because my kyiv visit was confined to one girl, and i was happy to have more freedom on this second leg.
i used [url]www.expresstorussia.com[/url] to book an apartment, get my letter of invitation and airport transfers. aside from some communications problems this seems to be a good outfit. although there were some nervous moments, everything happened as promised. i booked into an apartment off pushkin square, which proved to be a really good move. the apartment itself was so-so ($150), but a great location about a 2 minute walk from night flight! i think they have much better apartments in the same area, but these were not available the nights i was there.
i arrived on halloween, so i was hopeful there would be some action in the city, despite it being a tuesday night. having noted the dearth of reports about the hungry duck, i decided to take one for the team and visit that venerable establishment, because i heard the tuesday nights they let the dyevs in for two hours of free drinks before unleashing the men on them. so i rolled into the duck at about midnight. i don’t know if they had done the “drinks for dyevs” thing or not, but it was pretty quiet when i got there. i was vastly over-dressed and felt quite out of place. a few dozen people rep001tered around, most of them women, but not much action. there were a couple of good looking girls, but the others were pretty pathetic. still, several were up on the bar dancing, trying to work themselves up to a state of excitement and it looked like if i stayed long enough eventually some of them would do something exciting. i was approached by one girl who clearly wanted to party, but i did not travel 5000 miles to party with ugly girls. then her friend came over, who was a slightly better looking blonde and at least spoke a few words of english, and she wanted to dance and drink also. i suppose i should have bought them drinks and seen what depraved things they would do, but i was afraid the ugly one might take off her clothes and i did not want to start my moscow sojourn on a low note. so after brushing them off, i hung around for a while, then headed for the street, only to be assaulted by the same two girls outside – my last chance for ugly, drunken dyevs from the hungry duck! i passed.
i went back to the apartment and tried some phone numbers from red club ads, but with no success. many of the numbers did not work and the ones where i did get through spoke no english. this was a pity, because a number of these girls looked great and were quite cheap, even for a night, but i guess you have to speak russian to take advantage of that.
so that left me with one realistic option – night flight. i had had supper there, which is a surprising nice restaurant, and had bagged a couple of their business cards which proved very helpful since i could use them like “hotel cards” to give to taxi drivers to get me home. i probably had to pay a bit extra in fares, since they would have assumed i was out on a spree, but it was worth it just to be able to get back home easily. of course at suppertime things had not started to hum downstairs, although i did notice one woman dining alone who i figured was hoping to catch an early worm. but coming back at 2:30 am it was a different story!
if you have never walked the gauntlet on a good night at night flight, then you have never lived! you walk along this long narrow strip beside the bar, lined with gorgeous women on both sides, all eyeing you, and checking you out. there were at least 50 babes in this place, probably more like 100 when you got further inside, and maybe 20 guys, tops. most of the women were pretty good looking, a number of 10s but lots of 8s & 9s. i did not know where to start.
well, the first one i talked to started at $500. i laughed and told her i wasn’t in that market and refused to negotiate – even if i were to get her down to an affordable level, i figured she would not give good service to a discount customer. this scene played out a couple of more times until i retreated upstairs to watch the candy store from above. a really good looking girl with great breasts came over and started flirting, so i bought her a drink. after some preliminaries, she suggested that i could find happiness for $300. i got her down to $200 eventually and we were just getting ready to go when i remembered to specify bbbj. she refused, said she never did it without protection. okay, goodbye. same thing with the next girl, same opening bid, same closing offer, same obstacle. so the prices seemed reasonably negotiable, but the conditions of work were not.
eventually i hooked up with a really cute blonde and her friend. both were nice and friendly and relaxed – i guess they had given up on finding a client that night. the brunette was very appealing in a girl-next-door kind of way, but after valeria tiny tits in kyiv, a busty blonde was what i was looking for. they started proposing a two-girl special, but instead i got the blonde to agree to $200 for a few hours, including bbbj. leaving night flight at 3:30 in the morning with a hot blonde on a cold night, you really appreciate the two minute walk back to the apartment!
alina was really a nice girl. we drank some champagne, talked, kissed and generally made out in an unhurried way. she did the gfe thing very well. i would say she was an 8, with a nice face, beautiful hair and a great body. her breasts were not huge, but very nice and tasty. she was an enthusiastic lover, doing cowgirl and reverse then finishing me off with a fabulous ball-sucking, deep-throated blow-job complete with swallow, a smile, and a pleasant remark about having just had an early breakfast! this may be an every day event for some of you guys, but it was the best blow-job i ever had!
i wanted her to stay the rest of the night, which was not much, but when she learned what time i had to get up, she refused, and “all night” had not been explicitly our deal. i had failed to adjust the time from kyiv, so i only had about 3 hours before i needed to be at my meetings!
i staggered through that day and resolved that i would have to be a good boy that night, because i simply could not do so many nights without sleep. and the next night i had a date with an internet girl who sounded very promising. so that night i just went to divas, a strip club on pushkin square (cover charge 700 rur!). i figured i would see some pretty girls and maybe get an in-house quickie, then head for home.
it was okay, not too busy on a wednesday night, and there were only one or two other men in the place. the girls were pretty good and i was still trying to figure out how everything worked when the girl on stage finished her act and came down and started dancing at my table. i did not worry too much about it at first, since i had not invited her or agreed to anything, but eventually i asked her why she was dancing for me and she got all upset and called over an english speaking dancer.
it turns out i should have waved the girl away at the outset, otherwise she assumes i do want her. i refused to pay anything, because i don’t like having these things forced on me and i figured it was a chiselling game. after the girl left, i discovered that she only expected 100 rur for a casual dance like this, so i apologized and paid up. i thought they were trying to stick me for a 1600 rur table dance i hadn’t asked for. and it was a pity that things got started this way, because this was one of the best looking girls as i soon discovered.
but now i had the english-speaking girl attached to me like a leech and she did not appeal to me at all. i had bought her a drink because she sorted out the problem with the first girl but now i could not get rid of her. i just wanted to check out the girls and figure out the system – at least she could help with that, although i still do not really understand the niceties. the difference between a private dance and a lap dance was unclear to me, and just what level of service you got for 3600 rur versus 6000 rur.
eventually i got a nice second-best girl over and bought her a drink to drive away the english-speaking girl. this one spoke passable english as well, so i was in luck. after a bit of flirting and groping i asked her for a lap dance, but then it was her turn on stage. but after she came off she went straight over to another guy – i think the only other guy, at this stage!
fortunately, the new girl on stage is pretty good, so i watch her for a while then motioned her over when her turn is over. she was the best, most creative dancer of the crew, so i figure that is worth something and tell her i want a lap dance. i actually pay her the 1600 rur, tucking it in her bra, when she says she will do her dance in 5 minutes and gets up to go away – over to talk to the other guy! well, this makes me furious, and i go and get her and ask why she is not dancing for me. she says, “5 minutes” and i say no and demand my money back.
she calls over a waitress with passable english and i explain i want my money back. the dancer takes some money from her bra, but it is not 1600 rur, more like 600. i don’t get angry very often, and i was not really drunk, but i was ready to get mad at this treatment. so i kept demanding my 1600 back and she kept on insisting that was all i had given her and that i had put the 1000 back in my wallet when we had negotiated about the lap dance. now i was on uncertain ground. i certainly had a few thousand-rouble notes in my wallet and it was possible that i had given her just the 600, which she interpreted as my payment of the little post-performance dance she had done for me. but i did not think so, it seemed at least as likely that she had done some sleight of hand with the bills when she turned away – i have seen this sort of thing before, in a different setting.
but all i could do was demand the 600 back at least and get out of there. i was certainly not going to get a good dance there now, nor enjoy it if i did. i may have falsely accused the girl, which would be unfortunate, because she was a really good dancer, but i did not like the way i had been treated. i wanted these girls to sit around and flirt before and after their dances, not treat me like a timed event. anyway, i got out of there alive and vowed not to go back! and so to bed…alone.
thursday night was my date with natasha from the internet – i think elena’s models, the same site as valeria. although it is a bride site i had made it clear that i was looking for a girlfriend, not a bride, although i was not quite as forthcoming about my actual marital status. not knowing much about the neighbourhood, i had suggested that we could dine at café pushkin – an offer natasha leapt at! only on arrival did i discover how expensive this could be, but it was too late to back down – plus i thought if she perceived this as a real treat she would be more inclined to show up and motivated to please.
just a quick tip on café pushkin – order wine by the glass if you are on a budget, it is easy to pick inexpensive wines that way, whereas you have to be really selective if you are ordering from the wine list and wish to avoid bankruptcy!
again, a great theory not supported by empirical evidence. in fact, natasha calls up as i am sitting in the bar – she is sick, has a fever, and regrets she cannot join me. i am still uncertain whether she really was sick or just got a better offer, but we have since exchanged more messages and i will try her again next time.
just the same, i am all dressed up with no where to go. well, there is always somewhere to go. it is thursday night, which i heard was a good night at the real mccoy, so i find a taxi to take me there. despite having the address clearly written out, with metro reference, the driver doesn’t really know how to get there and we drive around a fair bit until we get pulled over by the police! the next half hour is spent with him engaged in earnest discussion with various members of the gendarmerie, getting in and out of their car, and shouting into his cell phone, while i sit stewing in the back seat of the taxi, hoping they police don’t turn their attention on me. i have my passport and immigration card registered and all that stuff, but i don’t speak a word of russian, and none of these guys are going to speak english.
foolishly, i don’t even have our consular number with me and all my embassy contacts were heading out of town that afternoon. happily, the situation resolves itself, the driver returns (furious) and the police don’t hassle me. we head off again and eventually find the real mccoy. i give the driver 100 rur extra for the hassle, which probably did not come near to covering whatever it cost him, but then it was not my fault and he has wasted a big chunk of my evening.
the real mccoy is hopping – it is just packed. and i would guess this is all normal folks, there are not many real stunners there and no obvious pros. but two problems. first, the dress code for café pushkin is not the same as at mccoy, so once again i am vastly over-dressed and out of place. second, with the live music and crowd it is pretty noisy and i don’t see how i am going to engage in sparkling conversation with the locals. this really isn’t my scene – although i can see how it would work for some, and maybe for me on a different night – so i head off again, not even having had a drink! the old adage about not being able to get laid in a *****house is starting to ring in my ears…
moving to plan c, i call up lovely alina, hoping she is not already installed at night flight (i figure my negotiating power is better if she has not already paid her 750 rur cover charge). i need not have worried, it is only 11:00 pm and she is just getting ready. so we agree to meet at the café next to nf at midnight. i figure even if this a bit of a defeat, having to fall back on a proven pro, this is the best way to recover something out of this disastrous evening.
it was a far, far better thing to do, than anything else i might have done. when alina comes into the café i realize that i have been discounting her beauty in my mind. maybe she did not look so great at 5:00 am with semen dripping from her lips (although such an image does have a certain innate charm) but tonight she looks fabulous! beautiful blonde hair, nicely made up, wearing very elegant yet sexy clothes. she has dress for our date, not for night flight, and i feel great and relax. she even makes these ridiculous knee-length shorts that so many women are wearing look good (i hope that fashion disaster moves on before my return to moscow).
a quick coffee then back to my place for champagne and a repeat of the other night ($200), except this time i have booked her for the whole night, so i get a long, leisurely blow job in the morning before heading off to my meetings. alina is a really nice girl (27) with decent english and a good gfe, and i have her phone number if anyone is interested. if valeria had been this friendly or this good i would have been much happier in kyiv!
... stay tuned for part three: thank god for blondes!
Part 3: TGFB – Thank God For Blondes!
Friday is slated for Amateur Night, so I head to TGIF also on Pushkin Square. I had avoided TGIF because I did want to eat there, I prefer something more authentic, but I felt what I need now was someplace where locals came to meet expats, and this proved to be the right place! As soon as I stepped in the foyer I exchanged glances with a hot-looking girl and, if I had an ounce of brains or courage I would have grabbed her and let her have her way with my ATM machine and I might have had some success. But I hesitated and let the opportunity slip away.
Instead I headed upstairs and made the mistake of letting them seat me at a table for dinner. Sitting in the dining leaves you very little room to manoeuvre, unless you are very lucky in being seated next to some good prospects. I wasn’t, and the only unaccompanied prospect in view was eventually joined by a friend. So I waste too long getting fed, then head for the bar. There things are better, lots of women around and opportunities to cruise.
In no time I am approached by a pro who wants to know if I want to have a fun evening for $200. This is game day, my chance to try my hand at real mongering for real girls, so I demur. She starts bidding down, I think she gets down to $120, but I tell her I am not interested – she has nice manner, but is no beauty and I don’t think I would do her for free. But I buy her and her friend a drink just to be sociable and they suggest a two-girl special, which is not a very attractive proposition since the friend is even less appealing than the first one.
In the course of the drink buying, I chat briefly with a really cute young girl at the bar who invites me (on the basis of two minutes acquaintance) to join her and her friends (a mixed group) at a party they are all heading off to. This is a mind-boggling concept – imagine that happening to a middle-aged guy in America – but I decline. It is a bit too risky and I have no idea how about the male-female ratio or age spread. Still, it was nice to be asked. I buy off the mediocre hookers with drinks and go find a corner to scout from.
There are two stunning blondes seated close to me, but they are already being worked on by a gorilla-like Russian, so no real opportunity there – although they look like a lot of fun. I waste a bit of time looking around and checking out phone for messages from other date prospects, when the gorilla skulks away, leaving the bevy of blondes unguarded!
Uncharacteristically, I strike while the girls are hot and go over and ask, “est que il vous parlez français?” hoping like hell they don’t, since I have just exhausted my entire French vocabulary. Apparently they don’t speak French, so we agree on English as our lingua franca. These girls are tall, gorgeous, blondes, with beautiful faces and lovely smiles, both around 21 or 22, and they are solid 8s, maybe even better. Nadia, the sweet one, speaks some English and Ann, the sexier one, very little. Initially they refuse my offer of drinks, claiming to be shy, but I persist and succeed. B52s it is, which is a fun drink for them, then later Sex on the Beach, which sounds promising even if it is November.
At one point as I am chatting these girls up, some guy brushes by me and wishes me luck! If that was anyone from this group, thank you for your good wishes!
I ask them what happened to Igor and they say he joined them for a drink or two then left, stiffing them for his drinks! They explain this happens with Russian men all the time! I explain that no western guy would ever permit them to pay for any drinks at all. We drink and chat and flirt for a while (okay, I flirt, they smile demurely) then I ask them if they would like to go to a nightclub. I have been dying to go to Dyagilev and suggested that. They were interested, but did not feel they could get past face control. And they were probably right, I mean they were both good-looking, but only sexy Ann was dressed for partying and not even very slutty at that, whereas sweet Nadia was only dressed for bar-hopping in painted-on jeans.
So I counter-proposed Alex Alco-Hall, supposed a hot new place on Pushkin Square, highly rated in Exile, and unreported here on ISG. It was only a short distance away, so we walked over, but they were discouraged by the small crowd milling about outside. I grabbed their arms, marched them up to the front of the line and we cleared face control with the clever ploy of agreeing to pay the 400RUR (each) cover charge. I think they were very pleased with this VIP treatment and, of course, I was swanning into this swank nightclub with two gorgeous, statuesque blondes on my arms. As we say in my country, in moments of great ecstasy, it was not an entirely unpleasant experience!
I wish I could tell you more about Alex Alco-Hall. It was a cool place with smoke swirling around the dance floor and lots of cute young things writhing about, but in truth I did not look around much. The old adage about “two birds in the hand are worth an infinite number on the dance floor” seemed a wise one to heed, so I gave them my undivided attention. We drank and danced a bit, mostly I let them dance and admired the show. At a glance I think I had to two best looking girls in the place, but as I say I did not do an extensive survey. However, it looked like most of the girls there were quite young, and considering my girls were about 22, that is saying something. The blondes confirmed this, saying they thought lots of the girls were 16-18!
We had some fun and some more drinks, but I drew the line at champagne, which would have been ruinous, just as they drew the line at my hands wandering too far afield. To cut to chase – I did not score with these girls – to score a double-header home-run on my first “at bat” was too much to hope for! But there were moments when I thought I might, and I may still. And even just to be playing the game with these girls was heavenly!! It certainly gave me hope and confidence for future innings!
However, I think someone with more Russian or better game might well have succeeded where I did not. So I understand and believe many of the legendary exploits we see recorded in these annals.
So my blonde beauties wanted to call in a night, but not with me, and we parted company, but not before they agreed to act as my tour guides to Moscow the following day. I had made sure I got their numbers and tested them before I took them to the nightclub. I felt really good about this experience – even without sex. It was certainly much more fun than a strip club. These girls seemed genuinely nice and friendly and I did not feel that I was being gamed by them at all. Of course I bought them drinks and cover charges, but that is trivial, and it was a pleasure to be with them. They seemed happy enough to be in the company of someone who appreciated them and treated them decently.
One final point here, Alex Alco-Hall (Strasnoy Boul 8) is in the same complex as (and allegedly connected to) Babylone, a very hot new strip club. I tried it several nights and never found it open, so I cannot confirm that, but I hope some one else has better luck and sends in a report.
The next day was my last and only day to play tourist, and last chance to score with the blondes. After postponing our rendezvous twice, because they slept in, Nadia and Ann do show up to show me their city. Actually, they were hopelessly incompetent tour guides and as a result I really missed my chance to see much of Moscow, but I figured I was seeing the most beautiful sights in Moscow as it was, so I did not worry about it. They had other attributes. But much to my disappointment they had other plans for the evening – Nadia had a date with her boyfriend, not an unreasonable thing on a Saturday night, and without her, I could not really communicate with Ann. I wasn’t even able to buy them dinner or take them shopping, which I was fully prepared to do. I gave them a little money for spending so much time with me, which they refused the first few times, but eventually relented. I think it is important that they learn that flirting with western men has its rewards!
One of the many things I liked about these girls is that they seem really typical Moscow girls, hard up for money and the nice things in life – whereas some of the other girls I met have had lots of foreign travel and are not really as needy as I need them to be. So I am hoping that is an angle I can work with the blondes on a return trip – nice dinners, some shopping, maybe a romantic trip – these could get me home with these girls, if someone else does not spoil them first.
So with my evening suddenly free I headed back to TGIF, hoping to repeat my success of the previous night. It was not to be, but I did have great time and met some nice girls, including one potential ski bunny (a 20 year old beauty with a 2 year old at home – I am betting she does not have the life-style she hoped for, and might welcome an occasional treat). I found it surprisingly easy to meet people at TGIF, mostly they initiated conversations and I only got rebuffed once. I would certainly go there again, even if just for human contact. It is also a great place to try to get something going early in the evening – I would start before 8:00 pm in the future – when most other venues are not yet open or happening.
I tried a couple of other bars but could not really go back into Divas after my unhappy experience there and Babylone was still closed! I had to head home to pack and get ready for my 4:30 am airport transfer while ordering in from one of the English language escort services listed in the Moscow Times. They sounded cheap, I think it was $100 for one hour, which is all the time I had, but then it was another $50 for BBBJ!
After trying a few, and discovering they were all the same (except for the one who turned out to be our very own Helena – sorry Helena, but I know you do not do BBBJ), in some cases literally the same place, I ordered in one girl, sight unseen (not on their web-site) who was to be there in 20 minutes. 45 minutes later I get a call saying the girl is there, but cannot find the apartment, oh, and by the way, she doesn’t have correct change for the cab. So I give more directions and go down to the street. Back up and down again, and eventually the girl and taxi show up. By now I am running out of time, the girl does not speak any English, still has a problem with the taxi money and I don’t like the looks of her. So I send her away and call the service and tell them why.
With less than an hour in hand, I decide to head into Night Flight for a last look around. I don’t really expect to do anything, because I am down to my last 5000 RUR (which I had budgeted for the escort girl), but I figure it is worth the price of admission (750 RUR – including one drink) just to window shop! So I blow into Night Flight sometime after 3:30 am and ask if the cover charge is still in place. The girl tells me yes, but the big bald guy who is in charge, and recognizes me from Tuesday, says it’s a slow night and I can just go in and look around and if I want to stay, pay the cover.
Inside it is completely dead! There are maybe 4 or 5 girls, and only two of them free, one of them with a fabulous rack on display. So it is not going to be a lot of fun window shopping, unless I just want to buy these girls drinks in this pathetic Saturday night morgue. Instead I switch tactics and explain I have less than an hour, a place two minutes away and 5000 roubles. They laugh at my offer and explain that it is 8000 roubles minimum. So there are limits to price elasticity at Night Flight, even at 4:00 am on slow night! I did not really expect anything different, but figured it was worth a try and it does no harm to the system to try to drive down the prices and be prepared to walk.
I go out and thank Baldy for letting me in. He explains it is the slowest Saturday night he has ever seen. I go back and finish my beer and my airport transfer comes at 4:30 sharp. In truth I did not really have time to bring a girl home. Could I have gotten serviced on site at Night Flight? I should have asked.
So, in summary, I had a lot of fun, but not as much sex as I had expected. I mean, a two-city tour and screwing only two different girls does not make for an unqualified success. But I had fun, made progress and learned a lot of things. I am optimistic I will do better next time, especially given the leads I have developed, which I will cultivate in the meantime.
A couple of lessons or observations:
The apartment thing works, but I would certainly upgrade a lot next time. I don’t think the blondes would have been overwhelmed by my digs, no matter how conveniently located. And overwhelming them is what I was after!
Airport transfers – arrange that through your apartment agency if you can, so that they can coordinate keys and documents and all your problems are in one basket. If there is a problem with the apartment, you are not left out on the street corner trying to find a taxi to take you to some alternative address.
It is difficult to over-estimate the burn rate of the cash you go through! I had more intimate relations with ATM machines than with dyevs!
It is very difficult for newbies to get around or find things. I had notes of a bunch of different clubs or bars from ISG, but did not have addresses for them all – I thought that I would just see these places as I walked around Pushkin Square! No way, I needed detailed addresses, and even then it usually took me several tries to find a place. It helped once I picked up Exile at TGIF, but even that was after a few days trying to find a copy of Exile!! Grab the business cards or menus or whatever of places you want to return to, to show to taxi drivers. If in an apartment, find a landmark nearby and get a card for it – that is your “hotel card” to get you home at night.
Keep your papers and consulate information on you at all times! I know there has been a discussion here about whether you need originals or copies and whether you really need to register your immigration card – my advice is do it by the book! I got stopped twice, once in the taxi and once on the Metro with the blondes (they explained that police often stop pretty girls, especially if with a foreigner). I am glad I had my papers in order.
Do full cost accounting when making economic choices. When ordering in, make sure you factor in full services and taxi money. When trying for in-house services at a strip club remember the cover charges and all the drinks and other dancers before you end up in a private room with the woman of your dreams. When trying for freebies remember the drinks and dinners and shopping that all add up. And remember the security fees at hotels if you are bringing in girls, versus free passage at apartments.
Boyfriends are not real obstacles unless they are standing right in front of you, and maybe not even then. A number of these girls had boyfriends, but did not take them too seriously (I guess it is mutual). And what I thought were couples in a bar sometimes seemed much looser arrangements (I thought the girl who invited me to the party was with her boyfriend, but then I think she left without him). Russian guys in the bars did not seem like real competition, in fact they did not seem too interested in the girls – go figure!
Always lie about being married (if you are), even with pros! I regretted telling Alina I was married, even though this was straight P4P. She is hoping (I am sure they all are) that some day one of her clients will “take her away from all this”. We all need our fantasies, and it might lead to that extra touch of GFE!
THE END
Gentleman Traveller
GT - Just finished your trilogy. What can I say? Wonderful reports and well-written - you make the reader feel like he is there. Great stuff - hope there's more to come soon.
GT:
Really a fantastic trilogy and a joy to read... kind of psyched me up for my November trip! You give great advice, very valuable especially for those new to Moscow.
Here just a couple of comments from my side...
* I felt you did really well, taking the initiative with the two blondes as the chance presented itself. Whether or not more was possible is hard to say, but you enjoyed yourself anyway (isn't it fun to be out on the town with 2 babes and lap up the jealous looks of all around??).... and that is worth it's weight in gold. 2 x 98 lbs = 196 lbs x 16 = 3136 ounces x $ 675 = $2,116,800. Wow!
* Of course sex is a priority for all of us, but just being around and interacting with cute young women is a fantastic joy in itself, especially for guys like us in the 35+ crowd. One of my all-time best memories of Moscow was riding in the metro a few years back with two beautiful teens in their "wild phase" that were all over me and putting on a real show kissing me and themselves and talking really loud in Russian about cocaine and sex, clinging to me to squealing everytime the metro jolted and lurched. All the babushki and other metro passengers were staring at us with a mixture of curiousity, contempt, hate, jealousy and empathy. The girls obviously really enjoyed putting on the show, I was merely a (admittedly very self-satisfied) tool... :) I'll never forget those 10 minutes... more valuable to me then many a blowjob or late night poke I had with them. All is relative.
* Will check out Alex Alco-Hall... read the same Exile article as you. The club is less than 2 months old... let's see how it holds up.
* Hungry Duck... you can't say we didn't tell you it would be like that... :)
* Money and Moscow expenses: Spending at least 100 €/day on running costs (no sex, no extravagant dinners) is almost unavoidable if you want to enjoy Moscow. Remember Economics 101, TINSTAAFL? (there is no such thing as a free lunch)
* I think giving the 2 girls money for spending time with you was a pretty lame thing to do, just my 2 cents. Maybe it'll pay off in the long run, but normal girls don't expect to be paid merely for their time. They agreed to meet you and show you the city... paying them kind've cheapens their gesture in my opinion. Buying them a present seems to be a better option... every time they see it or wear it, they will be reminded of you. Money, unless it's serious money, is quickly forgotten. Again, just my opinion. Methodology is just theory anyway... .)
* If you have their number, they won't forget you. My advice is to maintain intermediate contact... say every 10-15 days a "how are you" SMS, but don't overdote. Also don't build up too much until you are ready to return. It's easy to overheat and kill a good thing if you get them worked up and then make them wait for weeks and months. I usually don't recontact (aside from the occassional maintenance contacts) a girl until about 1 week before my arrival. When you do return however you will have gained some valuable cred as a return visitor and will soon notice if one or both are interested in more than just drinks and laughs.
* As for them being spoiled, if they are beautiful, they are already spoiled... :) ...but that doesn't mean you can't use other weapons to get them in the sack. You are already way ahead on points and the only thing that can stop you is if they:
+ have a serious boyfriend
+ you overdote and annoy them (I've done it, it turns them off)
+ there was never the right vibe in the first place (happens too...)
Chances are though, if they drank and went out with you, they were interested and the thought "should I fuck him?" definitely went through their mind. Men and women don't meet and drink together in Russia without some sort of sexual connotation, even if just latent.
* Calling escort services for a last minute lay is a risky gambit... it can work out fine, or be a waste of time and nerve killer as in your case. I usually like to plan escorts at least 4-5 hours in advance.
* You did really well with your NF girl... and a great price at $200/night for that level of babe and service. Well done, scored one for the home team!
* You got a no-stress militia shakedown! It's part of the Moscow experience... value it. You still need to at least see a tochka though... it's a trip. Even if it isn't your thing, it must be seen.
* Mongering trips aren't a scoring contest and your girls aren't in a beauty contest. I have found that it is important to value what you have at that time. You are ALWAYS going to see new girls that gain your interest and are beautiful and available. Focus on what you have with you, within arm's reach. You may have wanted to score more, and most likely next time you will, but focus on the glory of what you did have. Every moment with one of these fine females is a gift.
Well done bro! Viva la Moskva!
First, thanks everyone for their positive feedback on my report.
I am just trying to pay back for all the good advice I have received here.
Thanks also for the specific advice/feedback on my techniques or actions.
Dr. Skank, re: giving the girls some money. You are probably right, it did cheapen their gesture, which was sincere. At the same time, I felt I had not been able to do anything for them and they deserved a reward of some sort.
But I will try to manage it a little better next time!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]GT:
* I think giving the 2 girls money for spending time with you was a pretty lame thing to do, just my 2 cents. Maybe it'll pay off in the long run, but normal girls don't expect to be paid merely for their time. They agreed to meet you and show you the city... paying them kind've cheapens their gesture in my opinion. Buying them a present seems to be a better option... every time they see it or wear it, they will be reminded of you. Money, unless it's serious money, is quickly forgotten. Again, just my opinion. Methodology is just theory anyway... .)
Well done bro! Viva la Moskva![/QUOTE]
It was not a dream - my blonde friends just sent me a photo of them.
Of course they looked much better in person!
The Russian-speaking wingman who helps me get home with these girls next time I am in Moscow can keep sexy Ann (left) for himself, and I will take sweet Nadia (right). Any volunteers?
Gentelman Traveller
Guys, as always I read your insights, tips, stories with increasing pleasure and awe, you are quality guys for sharing and including us all in your experiences and the "correct" way of doing things....its gives us less able guys something to look forward too!
Its info you cannot buy, nor can you really learn it by yourself unless you're given good examples and tips!
Thanks again Doctor, IT, GT, Sev, Piper and Shos
PS Jackson...can this be the new ultimate ISG accolade...Master of ISG?
I was in Hotel Savietski in Moscow and had good service, good Internet connection with free Wifi. I called Victoria on [url]http://www.sweet-dreams.ru[/url].
Victoria recommended me 2 ladies, Vica and Masha. I chose Masha as Victoria told me that she is short, smiling, gaving massage with body lotion, with classic sex. I waited Masha in lobby as advised by Victoria.
Masha is really a very smiling girl who talked to me about exciting life in Moscow. We had very good time with very relaxing massage on whole body and very good sex.
I paid Masha $200 for 2 hours. During my next visit I call Victoria again and I will ask for Masha.
I was in Moscow again with a colleague recently and managed to free up a couple of evenings to enjoy the sights and sounds :) Given that time was precious, I called a guy I met some time ago in Moscow to help us get around.
[url]http://www.dreammoscownights.com/[/url]
This guy is great value and good company too. He really covered all the bases. He helped with logistics, organising cheap taxis everywhere. He took us to Chesterfields and a couple of strip clubs (Mister XXX, Safari Lodge). He even arranged for us to be joined by a couple of super girls for dinner one evening (both 7-8), both very friendly and speaking some English (altogether great evening, a real girlfriend experience – there was no ‘deal’ but I did give $150 to my ‘date’ in the morning + some taxi money which seemed to do the trick). Our guide was also particularly good at chatting up girls in bars (or anywhere for that matter, even shopping areas!) that we had spotted and then making the intros (useful if you are a bit shy like me, particularly in places like Chesterfields where there are often quite a few nice non-working girls). Picked up quite a few telephone numbers that way for next time….
Altogether a highly recommended approach, especially if time is tight and you do not know your way around too well.
bbois77:
Thanks for the accolades, even though several other prominent members... Bez, RM, BigBro, 109, RC, MG, Ca_T and KK come to mind immediately, are certainly also members of ISG's "old school". I am certain I left out a few important members, but I really consider us all equals and members of the same team.
I personally consider myself a student of the game even today. There's just so much joy in learning something new every day... :)
ISG is a great resource and I learn a lot from all the other guys reports, or draw inspiration from other guys pictures.
Look forward to reading more reports from all of the other guys... and seeing some pics to add flavor to the action...
One thing we share in common, a love for Moscow and the unpredictable nature of that wild city and it's amazing women...
[QUOTE=bbois77]
I read with awe, and the "correct" way of doing things
its gives us less able guys something
Jackson is the ultimate Master of ISG
[/QUOTE]
You really should get one thing straight.
There's no such thing as less able!
Only less imaginative.
And yes, there is only one Master,
and that's the father and creator,
El Gaucho de BA Mr. J :)
In busy nights time to time I saw Black girls at CF. Currently a few of them post their ads at [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url] . Has anyone have an experience with black girls in Moscow. It’s always a pleasure to have bitter and white chocolate at a time…
Couple months ago, this guy’s or another black guy’s services were discussed.
I don’t understand why a foreigner needs a black guy as a tourist/night guide in Moscow. Russians usually don’t welcome dark skinned foreigners.
[QUOTE=Russia Fan]I was in Moscow again with a colleague recently and managed to free up a couple of evenings to enjoy the sights and sounds :) Given that time was precious, I called a guy I met some time ago in Moscow to help us get around.
[url]http://www.dreammoscownights.com/[/url]
This guy is great value and good company too. He really covered all the bases. He helped with logistics, organising cheap taxis everywhere. He took us to Chesterfields and a couple of strip clubs (Mister XXX, Safari Lodge). He even arranged for us to be joined by a couple of super girls for dinner one evening (both 7-8), both very friendly and speaking some English (altogether great evening, a real girlfriend experience – there was no ‘deal’ but I did give $150 to my ‘date’ in the morning + some taxi money which seemed to do the trick). Our guide was also particularly good at chatting up girls in bars (or anywhere for that matter, even shopping areas!) that we had spotted and then making the intros (useful if you are a bit shy like me, particularly in places like Chesterfields where there are often quite a few nice non-working girls). Picked up quite a few telephone numbers that way for next time….
Altogether a highly recommended approach, especially if time is tight and you do not know your way around too well.[/QUOTE]
Big Bro:
It's the same black guy, an African (Cameroon?) that has lived in Moscow for many years. I personally cannot say if his services are useful as I haven't met him.
IMHO if all he does is bring you to CF, NF or a couple of strip clubs, those are things a real monger should be able to manage on his own. If his services involve other things, like arranging for women, a tochka tour or getting you into the elite "members only" clubs, then his services might be quite useful to some guys.
As for him being black, it's true that black guys do encounter difficulties in a lot of areas, but if he's well-established and well-known he personally probably won't have troubles anywhere and may even be, as the poster suggested, quite a ladies man. There are a few prominent black celebrities in Russia (not to mention the CSKA basketball team) and some black guys do really well with the ladies... there is a market for black guys in any country. Certain girls just dig dark meat, that's a fact of life.
I personally think his services can't be interesting for experienced mongers, but if some mongers need someone to hold their hand while they explore the city, well then... kind of seems like it goes against the spirit and adventure of mongering to me... but that's just me. I still think international mongering is the Last Great Frontier... and something done with a spirit of adventure and panache.
As for black girls at CF, I've seen them too but never had the opportunity to try them, even though I was tempted. I remember a petite and wild one (with a nice round zhopa) that looked good to me. A friend and fellow ISG monger did try 2 black girls together once and said it was great... so maybe it's worth a shot.
I promised to "never" go back to CF though... HAHA... see if I can resist next week... :)
Doctor Shank,
I have always been thinking about going to Moscow or St. Petersburg fro some action, but your statement make me wonder if I should go at all. I am Spnaish(Cuban) but have a dark complexion. Any comments or suggestions.
My suggestion?
Just go for it. Try the "latin clubs" first and then expand into other areas.
You'll find out once you are there if it's the right place for you.
Some people with dark complexions do very well, others do quite poorly.
Really, nobody has a crystal ball to tell you how it's going to be.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]IMHO if all he does is bring you to CF, NF or a couple of strip clubs, those are things a real monger should be able to manage on his own. If his services involve other things, like arranging for women, a tochka tour or getting you into the elite "members only" clubs, then his services might be quite useful to some guys.
I personally think his services can't be interesting for experienced mongers, but if some mongers need someone to hold their hand while they explore the city, well then... kind of seems like it goes against the spirit and adventure of mongering to me... but that's just me. I still think international mongering is the Last Great Frontier... and something done with a spirit of adventure and panache.[/QUOTE]Dr. S,
I absolutely agree that the guide approach is probably not appropriate for any serious adventurer and/or connossieur pushing back the frontiers but I think it can make sense for ‘entry level’ or ‘junior’ mongerers. We didn’t try to get into any Elitny clubs or go to a tochka so can’t comment on his repertoire here.
Also, in the name of monger democracy :), I think this should be a forum where both ‘junior’ and ‘master’ mongers alike can seek advice.
[QUOTE=Big Bro]Couple months ago, this guy’s or another black guy’s services were discussed.
I don’t understand why a foreigner needs a black guy as a tourist/night guide in Moscow. Russians usually don’t welcome dark skinned foreigners.[/QUOTE]
Big Bro,
as for his skin colour, I am aware that in Russia that is potentially an issue in the wrong place at the wrong time, but we had no issues and I can still confirm that his skills and help were very useful for us ‘juniors’.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]My suggestion?
Just go for it. Try the "latin clubs" first and then expand into other areas.
[/QUOTE]
I think Skank is right. We have many latino clubs and in some clubs latino parties are made once or twice a week (you can find their adverticement in newspapers like "exzile"). There go girls who are especially fond of latino lovers ;). Most of them will not even charge you (students, young career-builders and so on). If you can dance - it's 100% sucess in such kind of places. If you decide to change the atmosphere, you shouldn't worry about your origin, too. Russians are not prejudiced against Spaniards or whoever.
El Cubanito,
I have to echo Doc’s words and say just go for it. Whilst I am far from Spanish (or Latin American) I spent most of the 1990s mongering in South America and, although I love Slavic girls, I would gladly trade my current life of travelling in the second world for my previous life travelling to Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica, Mexico, etc.
A few years ago, on one of too many visits to the Black Hole (CF) I spent the whole night only speaking Spanish and only drinking Tequila (estamos muy conocido:)). It was highly entertaining as the girls desperately ran around all their friends trying to find someone who could speak Spanish and translate for them. I ended up with quite a little party going on (Doc knows how this works in CF) with several girls vying for the attentions of the “Spaniard”. The whole vibe that night and the attention I got from the ladies far exceeded any night when I have simply been an English speaking foreigner. And it proved to me that the Moscow ladies do like Spanish speakers – I guess Latin men are regarded as a bit more exotic than the usual bloated Brits or dumb Americans that frequent CF (apologies to thin Brits and Doc and other articulate Americans).
I also tried speaking Spanish in Manezh Mall, just approaching girls out shopping. This worked well. I don’t speak Russian and, as none of the girls I approached could speak Spanish, they asked me if I could speak English. Job done.
In short, if pretending to be Hispanic worked for me (10 pounds over weight, the wrong side of 40 and very little hair), you should have a great time being the real deal .
Hasta la Victoria, siempre,
Ricardo Cabron
Ok, I will proceed with my plans. I am going to Russia around February/March time frame. Do you guys recommend Moscow or St. Petersburg for a first timer to Russia. I have gone to other country on Monger adventures.
Please let me know.
El Cubanito
For the young African ladies that make it all the way from a
tropical third world to the icy motherland metropolis, they're
likely to either be their homeland's brightest or at least have
above average talent, so they certainly should be getting nailed
by some horn-dog mongers.
El Cubanito,
I'll be in Moscow and St Petersburg for a week in February, probably 12-18th. Happy to share a beer with you if your around at that time, and anyone else for that matter.
Hasta la victoria, siempre
RC
Bez:
Personally the only Black Russians I really care about are the vodka-kahlua kind... yum yum! :)
El Cubanito:
Moscow vs. St.Petersburg is the second most important question in Russia after "will I get into the newest elite club or get faced?"
Both cities have their charms and will suit you fine.
I prefer Moscow, but many prefer St.Petersburg with good reason.
My take for Feb-March:
Moscow is wilder, more Russian, much bigger, more to do in terms of clubs, more money-oriented, faster, considerably more expensive, action 7 days a week, more difficult to maneuver in.
St.Petersburg is prettier, more European, easier to navigate, limited clubs but still plenty, cheaper, more relaxed, colder, slow in the early week.
Your chances of scoring are probably the same in either place, although I know of many more latino clubs or "latino nights" in Moscow. Not so familiar with Pitr. I wouldn't agree with Helena that going to a latin place is a 100% freebie scoring option (such places don't exist), but it will be a place that the odds will definitely be in your favor especially if you can dance like a sterotypical latino should, just like black guys going to hip hop clubs.
If you decide on p4p, St.Pete is cheaper (especially the salons) but Moscow has more options.
If you go to either city, bring more money than you think you'll need.
On average, costs break down like this for decent quality of life:
Pitr:
Apt: 80 €/ Hotel 150 €
Daily costs without P4P sex: 80 €
2 hours P4P: 100 €
Moscow:
Apt: 120 €/ Hotel 220 €
Daily costs witout P4P sex: 100 €
2 hours P4P: 150 €
There are cheaper options to the above prices, as well as more expensive, but it should serve as a general guideline.
I was wondering is it possible to find SW's or other girls that will give a cheap bj or a quick fuck like in Amsterdam or TJ....??
Hello,
I will be coming to Moscow and stay at the Ukraine Hotel like I did in the past next month. I heard this hotel changed owners, can you give me an update on what happens there now?
Are there still girls in the lobby? Are they beautiful?
Thanks
I will be in Russia during December and wanted some feedback on site
[url]http://dosugvip.ru[/url]
Has anybody had any experience with this site?
The Photos look "too good" to be true.
I usually Prefer Girls from the Small Towns>....They are much less Hard Core, fresh and innocent. How does one find these girls in Moscow or is it better to go to other Parts of the Country.
I heard that there are some Parts of Russia that have incredibly beautiful girls, very unspoilt, Fresh and Easy.
Does anyone have some thoughts on
Best Way to Find these Girls?
Should I go to Ukraine or can I find them in smaller towns?
Thanks for everyone's Input.
Kisses,
RON
Some Moscow prostitutes is here:
[url]http://www.rusdosug.com/index_eng.php?index=0[/url]
[QUOTE=Mallo]Hello,
I will be coming to Moscow and stay at the Ukraine Hotel like I did in the past next month. I heard this hotel changed owners, can you give me an update on what happens there now?
Are there still girls in the lobby? Are they beautiful?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Hi, there are no any special changes in Ukraine, even girls downstairs still wear the same summer clothes. If you didn't say that owners changed, I'd never guess.
For those who are interested in black girls in Moscow: go to Karma Bar (good on Sundays, too) or other RNB nights, or hang out close to Patrice Lumumba university ("Druzhba Narodov") or its obzheshchitie. Guess that's a cheaper and more interesting option than CF.
Ladies and gentlemen,
I would like to hear your opinions on the sluttiest non-pro club in Moscow. That the Hungry Duck is a candidate is clear, and nominations will surely go to McCoy's and Park Avenue (an unpleasant dump actually). But maybe there are some hidden gems out there, especially those that are not covered in the Exile Club Guide? It is sad that even at relatively wild places such as Tema Bar, the doormen kick out regular girls who are in a state of voluntary undress (saw it myself ;)
I am 29 but I also have an interest in the 30-40 ("Balzacian") age category. ;) Russian friends have suggested Vermel' and Petrovich to me, but I have not been there yet.
slutlover:
i too enjoy an honest **** now and again.
here are a couple of places that have yielded good results...
vermel and petrovich: these clubs are run by the same people and are great places to pick up on "real" russian women, the kind that don't even think about visiting a western type club. age ranges from 18-55, but most of the crowd is 25+ since the doormen don't usually let young people in, figuring there are other places for them to go. crowd often a bit arty, but in a good way. music is usually "oldies" or russian pop songs from the 90s, so that should give you a clue on the age group. can be quite hard to get in to these clubs, since they are usually members only or invitation only. best to go with a small group and get a table for vodka and zakuski.... that's the way it is done in these joints.
30-7, club 7, tema, help: these are the best known clubs on the cocktail bar circuit, with alex alcohall joining the circuit. 30-7 used to be the place for me, but i hear it has slowed a bit since so many other cocktail bars opened. cocktail bar = drunk girls... get it? :) been to alex alcohall and although the layout was good, the crowd boy-girl ratio was a bit too xy and not enough xx. gets another chance though.
parizhskaya zhizn: especially early in the week, it pays off to drink, buy drinks and be aggressive. scored my second fastest score ever there... a drunk girl came in, bumped into me by the bar, looked somewhat cross-eyed at me and asked "ti krasivy?". about a minute later we were out the door and back to my place. when i came on her tits later she scooped up all the goo and smeared it all over her face muttering "creme". shostakovich took home a chick that was about 2 meters tall from this place, i think on the same night. have taken home a few drunk chicks from this place, most in the 25-30 range. never been here on the weekend, it's a good early week club... one of the few actually.
boarhouse: i know this is a place to pick up who*es, but some people would be shocked if they saw some of the quality normal women i have gotten out of here, ranging from 6-8 in quality, inlcuding one 9. most of the time you won't find normal chicks there, but every once in a while normal girls somehow end up here and if you spot them, go for it. best strategy is to find the ones stranded there because they could only afford to go one place. they soon discover its pretty much a shithole dive full of trampy pros, but can't leave or don't know where to go. offer to take them to real mccoy or karma bar or some place they've heard of. if they go with you, they are yours. if you can't find a normal girl, get out quick or do what i might do... have a few more drinks yourself and choose a pro.
voodoo lounge: recently scored a ukrainian hottie there. very hit or miss place though, if you take a peek inside and it's dead, move on quick. in my experience this place is either great or totally dead. when it's full, it's a feeding frenzy.
plenty of other clubs too... just writing about it makes me want to return to moscow.
Dr. Skank,
If one minute was your second-fastest score, I would like to hear about the fastest. Mere mortals like me take their time. At least 5 mins; )
I have been told that Boarhouse is a good place on Countdown Mondays, when drinks are 4 for the price of 1 till 10 pm or so. Most people leave soon after that as there is nothing to do but if you show up at half past nine there should be decent pickings. Haven't tried it myself because the one time I was there, I showed up at midnight due to my ignorance of the circumstances.
I have been to Parizhskaya Zhizn (on a Wednesday, in fact following your advice from an earlier post), even though I felt a bit out of place there without a suit. Talked to a number of slutty-looking chicks, and it sure wouldn't be a problem collecting phone numbers, but, hey, I don't like dates, I like the quick'n dirty thing. Maybe I didn't look businesslike enough? ; ) If I had stayed around with one chick all night things might have turned out differently, but most seemed a little bit to eager to underline their "good girl" status despite their revealing outfits. Then again, I may have had a bad night. Went to Karma Bar after that, same story there. Was it just that I hadn't noticed the birdshit on my back? ; )
McCoy's surely can be an economical option. Buy them a half-litre Long Island or two, at 230 RUR each, then take them by the hand. (cheap and health-conscious as I am, I tend to buy one LI and pretend to drink while, in fact, the girl swallows almost all of it. Also creates the illusion that she has drunk less than she has, and therefore can still drink more; )) One night, three fairly hot chicks took me and a Russian guy home with them after a 5-minute chat, even trying to take along two more random guys on the way from the exit to the taxi (! ) Total cost: RUR 400 for a decent supply of bottled beer, the Russian guy paid the driver.
Got to try Voodoo Lounge, I love both the name and the comments.
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Doctor! Doctor! I'm sick ... with jealousy!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Slutlover:
I too enjoy an honest **** now and again....
Parizhskaya Zhizn: Especially early in the week, it pays off to drink, buy drinks and be aggressive. Scored my second fastest score ever there... a drunk girl came in, bumped into me by the bar, looked somewhat cross-eyed at me and asked "ti krasivy?". About a minute later we were out the door and back to my place. When I came on her tits later she scooped up all the goo and smeared it all over her face muttering "creme"... .[/QUOTE]
This was the place I REALLY wanted to go when I was in Moscow, having read about it in Dr.s previous postings - but I could not find the address!
And now he torments us with his tales of drunken sluts at PZ!
When we think of the definition of "****" (Oxford: a promiscuous woman) or a more general view as a woman who will use her body and sex to get what she wants, or will do anything to please a man, surely this defines the ideal woman of most ISG members! Sluttiness in dress and behaviour is a virtue to be esteemed and pursued!
GT
Last week I was in Moscow for business and trying to make my night colorful I called [url]www.yourfantasy.ru/[/url] and got a pleasant lady called Victoria who advised to spend my night with Luda as she was very sexy, blonde, nice breast and many other points I had to discover. When I met with Luda in the lobby of Budapest Hotel and later wen I met her in my bed, I understood what I was told about: Luda was first a very charming lady with a good education and nicely talkative and a very sweet, caring person and we had a lot of nice time together.
Next time you are in Moscow, call [url]www.yourfantasy.ru[/url] you will remenber it for a long, long time.
[QUOTE=Dr French]Last week I was in Moscow for business and trying to make my night colorful I called [url]www.yourfantasy.ru/[/url] and got a pleasant lady called Victoria who advised to spend my night with Luda as she was very sexy, blonde, nice breast and many other points I had to discover. When I met with Luda in the lobby of Budapest Hotel and later wen I met her in my bed, I understood what I was told about: Luda was first a very charming lady with a good education and nicely talkative and a very sweet, caring person and we had a lot of nice time together.
Next time you are in Moscow, call [url]www.yourfantasy.ru[/url] you will remenber it for a long, long time.[/QUOTE]What about price?
[QUOTE=Dr French]Last week I was in Moscow for business and trying to make my night colorful I called [url]www.yourfantasy.ru/[/url] and got a pleasant lady called Victoria who advised to spend my night with Luda as she was very sexy, blonde, nice breast and many other points I had to discover. When I met with Luda in the lobby of Budapest Hotel and later wen I met her in my bed, I understood what I was told about: Luda was first a very charming lady with a good education and nicely talkative and a very sweet, caring person and we had a lot of nice time together.
Next time you are in Moscow, call [url]www.yourfantasy.ru[/url] you will remenber it for a long, long time.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but this seems really advertizing... go to the othre three posted reports. By the way...
1) as far as I know Budapest is not one of the most girlfriendly hotel in Moscow.
2) if the site is ONLY in English usually all is well overpriced, and, by the way, no price info, and no info on sex... BBBJ CIM, COF, Anal or whatever?
3) try better price/value hotels.
$) what do you mean with "Luda was first a very charming lady with a good education and nicely talkative and a very sweet, caring person and we had a lot of nice time together." without any inication of anything, price time etc... in another report you were for 200/2h, let us know.
IT
[QUOTE=It Travel]
1) as far as I know Budapest is not one of the most girlfriendly hotel in Moscow.
[/QUOTE]
From what I have heard, Hotel Budapest is totally girl friendly...
hehehehe..Dr. French....you are really a Dr. Dolittle...:D
Do you want us to believe this crap advertisment...grow up man...
100000000000 billion times it has being said here ..that Victorias girls sucks larger than this planet earth..still she would find a way to get into these forums and make newbies go all over her..she is a real sucker...
I request Admin to pls ban this guy.
Hehe. You're taking the mickey, but with style. I can live with that.
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]When we think of the definition of "****" (Oxford: a promiscuous woman) or a more general view as a woman who will use her body and sex to get what she wants, or will do anything to please a man, surely this defines the ideal woman of most ISG members! Sluttiness in dress and behaviour is a virtue to be esteemed and pursued!
GT[/QUOTE]
PS: Merriam Webster entry, for Gentleman Travel:
Main Entry: ****
[...]
1 chiefly British : a slovenly woman
2 a : a promiscuous woman; especially : PROSTITUTE b : a saucy girl : MINX
Main Entry: minx
[...]
1 : a pert girl
2 : a wanton woman
Not quoting the OED, or I'll get more stick ;)
Hi there!
I would like to know what is the rate now in Moscow for girls. Except at NF of course... But I remember some years ago (...) it was around 100 USD for the nght with a girl you pick up at Chesterfield. There were all friendly and it was very good fun. What is a reasonable rate today and which places are the best?
Thanks
Dear friends,
Just small words about my last week stay in Moscow. I was in Hotel Arlionak ( together with club 911 and big casino). Club 911 is a normal strip show with possibility to use privat rooms but really expensive. Around the Casino it is planty of girls for 150 EUR offcial rate.
Also I visited D and Martin Board House, which I strongly recomind 150-200 EUR maybe less if you stay later and some of the girls for sure are the same quality as NF. From personal point of view those are the places that I like the most. You have lots of girls but you can see them and choose which one you like instead of escort system.
Any place of this kind anybody know is wellcome.
Doug the king of CF has a special offer in his new joint “Doug’s Steakhouse”.
For the lukcy ones who are in Moscow...
Has anybody visited Hungry Duck ?. Please let me know what kind of bar is. Is it CF style? What kind of people (specially girls) I can find. Is it safe?
Thank you in advance,
I have been getting a lot of email lately wondering where I am and where I’ve been, so I’m going to share some info with all of my ISG friends and clients from the past decade!
As many of you know, after a long stint commuting from California to Moscow, I sold Moscow Star Properties and after returning to California went through a divorce which ultimately allowed me to return to Moscow. Shortly thereafter I moved to Odessa to live and eventually open up another apartment rental business with a fellow hobbyist, Anton. To make a long story a little shorter, a few months ago, my ex- and I reconciled and I returned to California. During that time, Anton continued to operate OES.
Over the past few weeks, we made the decision to sell the operation, The Odessa Group and Odessa Executive Suites to the property owner in Odessa. Anton will continue to live in Odessa with several other successful biz ventures in the works. As usual, I am going to continue to enjoy life.
Both Anton and I would like all here to understand that we are no longer associated with The Odessa Group or Odessa Executive Suites.
More importantly, with this change in my life, I’ve decided to try to keep a little lower profile with my hobby activity than in the past.
With that in mind, although I will still be in the hunt, I will probably not be posting on my adventures in the future. However, I would like to thank the hundreds of fellow hobbyists who over the past thirteen years have shared a beer and have become clients, wingmen, and good friends.
Through the years, it’s been a great run and WSG/ISG has been a terrific guide and has saved me tons of money and time when I planned to visit a new venue.
I wish all of my friends the best… Stay safe!
Well, all the best to you too, CA_T. I regret we never managed to be in Moscow at the same time and have a beer, but I benefited a lot from your posts when I went there. I advise newbies to do a search for your posts if they plan to go to Moscow one of these days.
Thanks again for that, and good luck.
Jim
CAT...enjoy and good luck, your reports, insights and enthusiasm were always greatly appreciated..........live long and prosper!
Hats off to you Ca_T and wish you the very best of luck in all that you endeavor!
WSG/ISG owes you a lot, as do I!
Thanks for all the great times and advice over the years!
CT,
Thanks a lot for your contributions throughout the years, I have learned a lot from you - and I know you have had a lot of fun! You will be missed, but I wish you luck! Hope we in some way now and then can stay in touch!
CAT,
Sorry to see you leave. Your posts were one of the foundations of the Moscow board and were an invaluable source of info for us all. It won't be the same without you.
Best of luck to you, wherever life takes you.
Желаю вам успех, здоровье и счастье.
Stravinsky
For your unselfish sharing and advice on all things Mother Russia as well as many very entertaining posts. The essence of this Forum.
Trust that your new avenues turn out to be just as you wish them to be.
As for keeping a lower profile as you put it, there isn't harm in checking in to ISG now and again to see how things are going is there? :-)))
If you see some of us going off the rails in some way, feel free to nudge us back on track.
Enjoy.
Times Online January 11, 2007
From Charles Bremner, of The Times, and Marie Tourres in Paris
Read Charles Bremner's weblog
A Russian billionaire was being held by French police tonight on suspicion of procuring prostitutes for his wealthy friends.
Mikhail Prokhorov, who has been dubbed Russia’s most eligible bachelor, was arrested for flying young women from Moscow into the Alpine resort of Courchevel to join his party for their holidays.
Mr Prokhorov was taken into custody at the Hotel Byblos by a team of 50 officers. He told police that he brought the women because he enjoyed the company of clever, beautiful and young female companions. Seven Russian women aged about 20 were released without charge.
Mr Prokhorov, 41, is chief executive of the mining giant Norilsk Nickel and is rated by Forbes magazine as the 89th richest man in the world.
He is a regular among the Russian millionaires who flock to Courchevel to celebrate the Orthodox New Year. Large numbers of young Russian women always arrive with them to share in the celebrations which culminate this year at the weekend.
A total of 26 people were arrested in the hotel raid on Tuesday. All have been released except seven Austrian travel agency employees, Mr Prokhorov and two executives from Norilsk Nickel. Xavier Richaud, the prosecutor of Lyons, who is heading the case, told The Times that a decision would be taken tomorrow on whether to charge Mr Prokhorov with procuring.
Eight Russian women were flown in to Courchevel last week and eight this week, Mr Richaud said. “According to Prokhorov, he likes the company of intelligent women. He met these women in restaurants or nightclubs in Russia and he brought them over, but neither he nor his friends had sexual relations with them.
“He has taken charge of all the expenses of these girls: he pays for the hotel, the restaurant, nights out, clothes. The question is whether they have to give something in return,” he added.
“Mr Prokhorov tells us ‘to stay young, you have to be surrounded with youth and beauty’.” It had been established, Mr Richaud said, that the women were not professional call girls, nor working for a prostitution agency.
In Moscow Norilsk Nickel said the company had no information on Mr Prokhorov’s whereabouts. “Our chief executive is on vacation. We expect him back on Monday,” a spokesman said. If there had been an arrest, it would have resulted from a misunderstanding, he added. “Our management are entirely law-abiding people.”
The arrest of the man who is the 8th richest Russian, according to Forbes’s list, is the latest incident involving the post-Soviet billionaires who have adopted France as their favourite playground. Two months ago, Suleyman Kerimov, one of the biggest shareholders in Gazprom, the Kremlin-controlled gas group, was gravely injured when he crashed his Ferrari on the Promenade des Anglais in the Riviera capital of Nice.
An estimated 10,000 Russians have packed into Courchevel for the Orthodox Christmas and New Year for each of the past few years. Mr Prokhorov, who is estimated to be worth more than £3 billion, is famous among them for lavish parties at which guests, dropped off by armoured Humvees and Mercedes, enjoy jereboams of Cristal champagne, the rich Russians’ favourite.
The investigators said that their attention had been drawn to the large number of young women from Russia. Some Russians in France said that the French police were being meddlesome or naive in assuming that young women who flocked to rich men were automatically prostitutes.
“These are good-time girls who enjoy the good life,” a Russian expatriate in Paris said. “They are well taken care of and have the run of the boutiques in Courchevel. It’s been like that since the beginning of time.”
When told of Mr Prokhorov’s arrest, Nicolas Sarkozy, the French presidential hopeful, replied: “There’s a man who wants to please.”
[QUOTE=Goldfinger]
Ca Traveler was arrested for flying young women from Moscow into the Alpine resort of Courchevel to party for the holidays.
taken into custody at the Hotel by 50 officers He told police he enjoyed beautiful young female Russians.
41, chief executive of the mining giant Norilsk Nickel
He is the CA Traveler and is procuring women in restaurants
or nightclubs in Russia and had sex with all the girls:
To stay young, you have to be surrounded
with beautifal call girls or prostitutes
Norilsk said our chief is on vacation.
Ca trav, dropped off by armoured Mercedes,
enjoys Cristal champagne, his favourite.
The investigators young French police
were being meddlesome to flock to prostitutes.
“These are good-times enjoy the good life,” the French president replied: “There’s a man.”
[/QUOTE]
NO WONDER you said you had to leave. ;)
This ain't what you would call "keeping a lower profile" though.
Too bad GoldMember blew your cover story :(
Has anyone seen this movie?
[url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0820153/[/url]
It sounds similar to "Lilya 4-Ever" which was really good. If anyone has seen it I'm curious what it was like, was it realistic, does it have English subtitles?
If it were not for you I would never have had the guts to venture to Moscow. Thanks for taking care of me while I was there even if I cost you a lovely lady one night. Thanks for all your insight and I wish you all the best in the future. I hope to return the favor one day if we ever get to see each other again. Take care my friend
SD
[QUOTE=HombreDeHielo]Has anybody visited Hungry Duck ?. Please let me know what kind of bar is. Is it CF style? What kind of people (specially girls) I can find. Is it safe?
Thank you in advance,[/QUOTE]
this bar is more like a disco. The particularity is that people are actualy dancing ON the wooden bar. It is supposed to be a place where some russian females search for western guys. I met a girl friend there. It is the only place where I saw a couple fucking almost in front of everybody. One guard made them leave the place shortly after though. I think it is quite safe but certainly not the safest in Moscow (some odd guys). As for the prostitution I don't know, at this time I was not yet interested in that. good luck
Unfortunately, 109 has gone and left us unaware of the newly established strip clubs.
In my last visit Mister XXX was lost it’s superb notion. Shandra closed and lately I heard that my other favorite spot Rhino has also shut down.
Has anyone any update or inside info about Babylone, Bely Medved, Bordo, Violette and Rasputin?
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Unfortunately, 109 has gone and left us unaware of the newly established strip clubs.
In my last visit Mister XXX was lost it’s superb notion. Shandra closed and lately I heard that my other favorite spot Rhino has also shut down.
Has anyone any update or inside info about Babylone, Bely Medved, Bordo, Violette and Rasputin?[/QUOTE]
I HEARD Shandra reopened in a new location about 4 months or so ago but I haven't been to the new one nor can I find any reference to it on the usual sources of club info. Anybody been there or heard anything?
It’s great to know that Shandra is reopened. It was a sinful orgy mansion. I hope we won’t regret to go there.
I heard “Club Polar Bear” on Prospekt Mira is a nice joint to chill out. But heard various rumors about the prices. Has anyone been there? Any comments? [url]http://www.berloga.ru/[/url]
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]It’s great to know that Shandra is reopened. It was a sinful orgy mansion. I hope we won’t regret to go there.
I heard “Club Polar Bear” on Prospekt Mira is a nice joint to chill out. But heard various rumors about the prices. Has anyone been there? Any comments? [url]http://www.berloga.ru/[/url][/QUOTE]
Big Bro:
The new address is Prosvirin pereulok 7. The closest metros are Sukharevskaya or Chisty Prudy... it's a side street of ulitsa Sretenka.
Thanks for the tip of Club Polar Bear....
Polar Bear (Beliy Medved) is waaaaaayyyy out of the center. I attach a screen cap of a Google map of Moscow clubs. Due to size restriction on this site, I have to reduce it a lot, so I have re-typed in its name as well as NightFlight and Doug&Marty, so you have an idea of how far it is.
Jim
Here’s a compilation of the current info for Byelie Medvyed from sextalk.ru. It looks to be pretty accurate. My recollection is, the entry fee is 650r before 21:00 and then 900r after.
Belyie Medved is quite a ways from the center of the city, but if you take the metro, it’s not too bad. Take the orange line to Alexseevskaya, which is just 2 stops beyond Prospect Mira. The club is right on Prospect Mira, maybe 50 meters from the Metro. Just look for the big, well… Polar Bear.
Name: Белый Медведь (Polar Bear)
Address: Prospect Mira, 116a
Metro: Alexseevskaya
[url]www.berloga.ru[/url]
Telephone: 687-5822
Hours: 21.00-6.00, bar opens at 18.00
Entry: 900 r., before 21.00, no charge
Private Dance: from 1000 r.
Buy-out: 10,000r dancer, 15,000r waitress
Private room: 1500r/hr.
Karaoke: 3000r/hr., 6500r/night
Belyie Medved is one of the best clubs in the city. If you’ve never been there, it’s definitely worth the trip. It’s a bit pricey for me to hang out there all the time, but it’s a nice treat once in a while. If I had a couple grand to blow of an evening, that’s the place where I would do it.
The big problem used to be, there was no sex on the premises, but it looks like they’ve remedied that with the private rooms. The buy-out is also a little steep, but, given the quality of the dyeffki there, it’s not out of line, depending on what you can negotiate.
They have 2 stages. The downstairs stage is topless only and the upstairs stage is nude dancing. The downstairs stage is on their web cam, so you can watch the action on the internet.
I posted a report about it summer of 2005.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Here’s a compilation of the current info for Byelie Medvyed from sextalk.ru. It looks to be pretty accurate. My recollection is, the entry fee is 650r before 21:00 and then 900r after.
Belyie Medved is quite a ways from the center of the city, but if you take the metro, it’s not too bad. Take the orange line to Alexseevskaya, which is just 2 stops beyond Prospect Mira. The club is right on Prospect Mira, maybe 50 meters from the Metro. Just look for the big, well… Polar Bear.
Name: Белый Медведь (Polar Bear)
Address: Prospect Mira, 116a
Metro: Alexseevskaya
[url]www.berloga.ru[/url]
Telephone: 687-5822
Hours: 21.00-6.00, bar opens at 18.00
Entry: 900 r., before 21.00, no charge
Private Dance: from 1000 r.
Buy-out: 10,000r dancer, 15,000r waitress
Private room: 1500r/hr.
Karaoke: 3000r/hr., 6500r/night
Belyie Medved is one of the best clubs in the city. If you’ve never been there, it’s definitely worth the trip. It’s a bit pricey for me to hang out there all the time, but it’s a nice treat once in a while. If I had a couple grand to blow of an evening, that’s the place where I would do it.
The big problem used to be, there was no sex on the premises, but it looks like they’ve remedied that with the private rooms. The buy-out is also a little steep, but, given the quality of the dyeffki there, it’s not out of line, depending on what you can negotiate.
They have 2 stages. The downstairs stage is topless only and the upstairs stage is nude dancing. The downstairs stage is on their web cam, so you can watch the action on the internet.
I posted a report about it summer of 2005.[/QUOTE]
Strav, thanks for the info.
"Buy out", or "Uvol'nenie" is the price you pay the club, like "bar fine" in Thailand. The girl gets another fee on top of that, which is negotiable. Or are the quoted buy out fees in the sextalk forum purportedly including the girl's fee?
Doc,
I'm not sure how or when the club listings on sextalk are updated, so best to use them as a simply a guideline.
Sometimes the uvol'nenie is just what you pay the club, sometimes it's the total w/dyev.
As always, best to negotiate with the girl first and make sure everyone is on the same page before paying any money and/or leaving the club.
I will be there in Feb. and let you know the real scoop. :)
I will be staying at Marriott on Tverskaya in Feb. Is it girl friendly? I can bring the girls from outside? Or I have to stick with the girls who work there?
[QUOTE=Kosmos]I will be staying at Marriott on Tverskaya in Feb. Is it girl friendly? I can bring the girls from outside? Or I have to stick with the girls who work there?[/QUOTE]
Haven't been there for some time as a guest, but generally speaking all the western chain 4 and 5 star hotels are girl-friendly.
Don't expect any girls to be working there though. There is only a little lobby bar and I've been there a few times meeting clients for a drink and most of the time there were no working girls at all. Night Flight is about a 5 minute cab ride down Tverskaya though, so you'll have no problem finding company for the night.
Also the Sheraton is roughly just across the street and they usually have about 5 or 6 girls working the lobby bar, which is quite cosy, dark and often features live music.
The girls will usually have to register at the desk (if security stops you), but any pros from Night Flight or whereever know the system. The security at western hotels doesn't have to be bribed in any way.
Doctor Skank,
I would like to nominate you as the most valuable contributer to this distinquished forum. In my view, you are the best type of contributer: your posts help other members get up to date information about mongering options.
I am planning a leisure trip to Russia in September and as I have far too many Marriott points, I was going to stay at Marriott Tverskaya too. I was also considering staying at the Marriott in Samara which is supposed to be the fanciest hotel in Samara. I only wish I could find out about mongering options in Samara for a non-Russian speaker.
Nothing would give me more pleasure to have dinner for my maiden voyage to NF in september in the company of Dr. Skank!
[QUOTE=Kosmos]I will be staying at Marriott on Tverskaya in Feb. Is it girl friendly? I can bring the girls from outside? Or I have to stick with the girls who work there?[/QUOTE]No problem bringing girls into any of the Moscow Marriotts in my experience. Use the usual discretion though. The girls from Niteflight and the other clubs are certainly never worried about going to Marriotts. None of them have WGs based inside the hotels. Hotel policy I have been told.
WM
...also allows girls. One blonde girl with lips as a lifeboat sitting there alone and bored in the lobby.
A search for Hotel Ukraina gave some hints that there are some girls stateined there. But any tips how to get outside girls in?
My only russian experience was at viagramassage opposite swissotel. Just something quick during stopover: handjob/blowjob with 2 girls,1300R. ok for me without any russian language. :-)
(new to Russia)
Thx
Steve
Steve,
I spent a week at the Ukraina Hotel in november, and I had absolutely no problem bringing girls from outside (in my case tochka girls). I was recommended by the taxi driver (Sergei, nice guy, decent english, PM if you want/need his number, NEVER ask for a taxi to the ladies at front desk, tourist trap!!) that, ONLY if security stops you (which, I insist, didn't happen to me), a couple of hundred roubles would do the miracle.
There are girls downthere in the lobby, mostly the same six or seven girls every night of the week, from 5 to 6.5, some ocassional 7, but nothing better. I particularly don't/can't recommend them, although can be handy if you get back to your room alone after a (lousy) hunting night.
Just my two cents....
Rgds,
Spanish Fly
Thanks Spanish fly for the offer. However, I do not know how good a tochka girl is with my excellent :-/ russian language. Maybe if somebody has good recommendation for a girl on intimcity.ru or so?
(I don't want to ask too much, I know I can search myself there) :-)
This one seems ot be my taste: ok taste is different i know:
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=35676[/url]
Thanks for the russian tips. will drop my knowing in the other forums.
Steve
For my sins I will be in Moscow on Valentine's day. This fact alone suggests opportunity to me but I am devoid of some info and hope a fellow monger may be able to help. Is Valentine's Day celebrated in Russia and if so is it a big thing? At home its the worst night of the year as every bar, restaurant and club is full of couples. However, there must be an opportunity to hit on some of the poor girls that don't have a BF.
Ricaardo Cabron
[QUOTE=Ricardo Cabro]For my sins I will be in Moscow on Valentine's day. This fact alone suggests opportunity to me but I am devoid of some info and hope a fellow monger may be able to help. Is Valentine's Day celebrated in Russia and if so is it a big thing? At home its the worst night of the year as every bar, restaurant and club is full of couples. However, there must be an opportunity to hit on some of the poor girls that don't have a BF.
Ricaardo Cabron[/QUOTE]
Valentines day is a commercial holiday, meaning it's not official but is celebrated by some. Russians are always looking for an excuse to celebrate something. As far as couples action, it isn't nearly as important as woman's day (March 8) which is the second biggest holiday in Russia after New Years.
Some clubs or bars throw theme parties, but mostly its still a normal day... and this year in the middle of the week.
What it also is though is a golden opportunity to ask some girls out under the pretense that it is celebrated in your own country and, of course, going out with you means they have to fuck you.
Which is of course true.
I have been posting about comparing women in the US with Russia and overseas and lowering your costs. I was coming back from a business trip and met a 19 year old girl in the US. I asked her to pack her bags and get on the next flight with me. She has been with me for several weeks now. She is pretty good looking. But now I remember why I got a divorce in the first place. No she is not costing me money and she is low maintenance. We just don't connect for the same reasons I do not connect with the Russians or the Ukraines. I think I am going to stick with the women in Prague and in Slovakia. You have to be able to connect with someone. I am posting this report to prove that you can apply the same things that you learn from chasing women around the world to college age girls in the US without spending or paying for sex. I plan to go back to Prague and fuck escorts because I don't have the time to connect with them. But my experience with Russians in Prague and in the US have always been a disappointment because they are too money driven. I think this will probably be my last post for a while. Now that I know how to pick up women in the US, I feel like I am wasting time online when I can be offline. Now I have to find a way to send this girl back home. Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
I was just in Moscow overnight. Not much to report, except that as I was driving down Tverskaya past Belorusski station, I noticed signs for a new gentleman's club named Golden Girls.
Somebody should go and tell them. I bet they're wondering why the foreign tourists don't visit much.
I second that.
[QUOTE=Poker Player 2]Doctor Skank,
I would like to nominate you as the most valuable contributer to this distinquished forum. In my view, you are the best type of contributer: your posts help other members get up to date information about mongering options.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]I second that.[/QUOTE]
A wonderful poster and fully deserving. However, many and even the good Dr. might raise his eyebrows a tad if the "Contributor of the Year" for this thread concerning itself with finding women for sex in Russia was a
Skank !!!!!!
[QUOTE=Excess]A wonderful poster and fully deserving. However, many and even the good Dr. might raise his eyebrows a tad if the "Contributor of the Year" for this thread concerning itself with finding women for sex in Russia was a
Skank !!!!!![/QUOTE]
Me no good, me dinky dao numba 10!
Seriously though, thanks for the kudos Excess and Cruiser D. I do what I can to further the cause.
Skank: "One who is disgustingly foul or filthy and often considered sexually promiscuous"
I must confess I write with a little envy: This beaver chasing skank appears to be humble, articulate, and perhaps even intelligent, makes a good living in EE, has had alot more success with women than most and now is being considered for the title of the most valuable contributors to this distinguished column. What is there not to like about the good Doctor?
Ah... winter in москва! Cold, snyeg, mud and slush. But the dyeffki will keep you warm.
:)
Stopped by Patriarshi Prudi last night. Almost didn't make it. First, the taxist ran
out of benzene, but, like all xitri taxists, he had a gas can in the back, so off we go.
Got to the podyezd about 22:00 and the girl on duty tried to buzz me in, but no luck.
Dveri zakrit. The door was stuck and wouldn't open. So we spent the next 10 minutes
trying open it. She pushing from her side and I pulling from mine. Except on my side
it's -15C.
First time I've ever had a problem getting [i][b]into[/b][/i] a brothel!
I wasn't too sure what I would find so late. There were only 2 girls working, and I
picked Ira. Tall, slender and stroina (built), lucky me, just my type. Into the shower,
gelly-shmelly, back to the room and Ira starts with a massage. Ira actually gives a
pretty good massage, which is just what I needed after sitting on a plane for 12 hours.
She also gives an excellent BJ, albeit covered, which is something else I needed after
sitting on a plane for 12 hours.
She advertises herself as being 19, and I can believe. Everything you touch on her has
that jiggly elasticity only a teenager is capable of.
Prices are up at Patriarshi, a whole 200r! The polni program is now 2200r, but the chai
is still on the house, lucky for me. Ya prosto byedni Amerikanyets, with only Dollars to
spend. :)
Back to the apartment. I figured if I stayed up late enough, then I might sleep till
morning, but no such luck.
So, here I am, submitting my report, dear readers. After all, somewhere in the world
it's gotta be 4:00 in the afternoon.
счастливо...
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Ah... winter in москва! Cold, snyeg, mud and slush. But the dyeffki will keep you warm.
:)
Stopped by Patriarshi Prudi last night. Almost didn't make it. First, the taxist ran
out of benzene, but, like all xitri taxists, he had a gas can in the back, so off we go.
Got to the podyezd about 22:00 and the girl on duty tried to buzz me in, but no luck.
Dveri zakrit. The door was stuck and wouldn't open. So we spent the next 10 minutes
trying open it. She pushing from her side and I pulling from mine. Except on my side
it's -15C.
First time I've ever had a problem getting [i][b]into[/b][/i] a brothel!
I wasn't too sure what I would find so late. There were only 2 girls working, and I
picked Ira. Tall, slender and stroina (built), lucky me, just my type. Into the shower,
gelly-shmelly, back to the room and Ira starts with a massage. Ira actually gives a
pretty good massage, which is just what I needed after sitting on a plane for 12 hours.
She also gives an excellent BJ, albeit covered, which is something else I needed after
sitting on a plane for 12 hours.
She advertises herself as being 19, and I can believe. Everything you touch on her has
that jiggly elasticity only a teenager is capable of.
Prices are up at Patriarshi, a whole 200r! The polni program is now 2200r, but the chai
is still on the house, lucky for me. Ya prosto byedni Amerikanyets, with only Dollars to
spend. :)
Back to the apartment. I figured if I stayed up late enough, then I might sleep till
morning, but no such luck.
So, here I am, submitting my report, dear readers. After all, somewhere in the world
it's gotta be 4:00 in the afternoon.
счастливо...[/QUOTE]
Great live action report, keep 'em "coming" so we can put another Strav library of adventures in RoD. Kindly add details, such as salon addresses etc. if possible.. thanks!
so, i thought i'd try avtozavodskaya. there's a massage parlor that operates there. normally, i think massage parlors are just a waste of time, at least in moscow. there's just too many other options. but there have been several good reports from local guys on sextalk, so it might be worthwhile.
avtozavodskaya is one stop beyond paveletskaya, on the green line. it's a bit of a trek from the metro to avtozavodskaya sloboda, and in this weather it's no fun. it's a clear day, and the sun is shining, but it's still gotta be -5, or so. i arrive at Дом 4, and give them a call to get the podyezd and the kvartera. it's an old building, really old, and fairly delapodated. the podyezd door is unlocked, i just walk right in and then up 2 flights of stairs to the apt.
a young woman answers the door, dressed in some kind of leather-looking b&d outfit, she seems to be the mistress of the house. ok... she ushers me into a big room with a couch and coffee table and silk drapes lining the walls, big mattress in the center, on the floor. the usual "chai, kofe", "chai" konyechno, lord knows what kind of coffee they would have.
she returns with the tea and a selection of 4 girls. most are pretty ordinary, but there is one; short, dark, very curvy, with a kind of evil twinkle in her eye, always an endearing quality. her name is diana, and i pick her. the mistress tells me to pick another, that's the deal, you get a massage by 2 girls for 1200r. i pick another girl, by the name of lera, passable blonde, but a nice figure.
the girls file out and the mistress starts making some kind of a presentation. she asks me if i want to touch the girls. well, hell yeah, lady, that's why i'm here! she says that for 1200r, the girls get to touch me, for an extra 600r, they will do the massage naked and i can touch them... anywhere. ok, no problem, extra 600r, which is about $20.
diana and lera return, they hand me a towel and tapochki and into the shower. the voda is hot, the towel is dry, what more can you ask for. back in the room, i lay down on the bed and they begin. each one takes a foot and they have at it, slathering me with oil and working their way up. it seems that diana must be new, every once in a while, i can hear lera whispering instructions to her; do this, do that.
when they finish with the back i turn over and they start on the front. i can't resist testing the claim that i can touch them anywhere. i slide my hand around diana's admirable popa. she lifts herself up and plants her pussy right on top, rotating herself so that i can get a finger inside. that's my girl!
meanwhile, lera starts working on me. basically, this is a glorified hand job, but that's ok, it's the most fun i've ever had for 1800r. :)
after i finish, we have some time left to relax and razgovarivari (chit-chat). even in the dim light, it's clear that diana is actually quite beautiful. she has caucasian features, but with long black hair and deep dark eyes. turns out she is tatar, from tatarstan. that ol' genghis khan left quite a legacy for himself.
so, i assume that tatarstan is a separate country and that diana is atartarka, but lera immediately corrects me. tatarstan is a republic in the russkaya federatsia, so diana is russian. diana protests that she is tatarka, not russian. while the are sorting this out, my mind is working overtime trying to figure out how i can get diana out of that place and back to my apartment!
time's up, back to the shower and dress. out on the street the sun is setting and it's getting even colder. i'm not really interested in walking back to the metro station, so maybe i'll find a taxi. but on sunday afternoon in this part of town, that might be easier said than done. while i am contemplating my lack of options, along comes a bus. so, i'm thinking, it's better than walking...
never rode the bus before, but hell, how difficult can it be? i step on board and hand the driver 20r, but there is a problem, he needs an extra 5r. ok, no problem. he hands me a paper ticket about the size of a credit card with a magnetic strip. there is a card reader that i have to pass through before i can sit down. i put the ticket in the card reader and it pops back out. i try several different variations, but no luck. a very polite young girl steps up and asks if she can "pomoch tebye". pozhaluista. she turns the card over, reverses it and inserts it into the reader. the light goes green and i step through.
slava boga.
the bus takes us right to the metro station. this is great! back to my metro stop and on the way out, i stop by the kassa to ask where i can buy more bus tickets. the woman at the window gives me that, another-stupid-tourist look, which moscow sluzhebniki do so well, and points across the hall, muttering something incomprehensible through the bullet proof glass.
i turn around and head over to the other side of the hall, looking to see what she is pointing at. turns out there is a woman over there, sitting at a card table, selling something. turns out it's bus tickets, 17r each. i buy a strip of tickets and head out on to the street.
back on the sadovaya, it's really cold now, even by russian standards. i'm hoping i can get back to the apartment on the bus. before too long, one arrives, they seem to run fairly frequently. i'm not sure where it's going, but it's blue. the bus that took me to the metro was blue, maybe there's a connection?
it's scary, but this is how you start thinking when you're in russia.
sure enough, the blue bus follows the sadovia and i arrive right at my apt. in no time.
ok, that's it. i've had it with these taxists... 200r here, 300r there, 400r somewhere else, pretty soon you're talking about real money! enough to get laid, anyway. from now on, i'm taking the bus, or the metro. got myself a metro card, but the bus cards are tough to come by. you can't just buy one at the metro kassa. :)
счастливо....
Stravinsky -- You just might get lucky right on the bus.
Doc,
I'm a little conflicted about posting too much specific address info on the salons.
Most of this info I get from the local guys who post on sextalk. I notice they are always very careful never to give out the actual podyezd and kvartira. I don't think it's fair to the salon. Sure, they like to have business, but they like to do it in a discreet, orderly fashion. They operate freely, but still, I don't think they want the whole world beating a path to their door.
I did post a lengthy description of how to get to Patriarshi Prudi a while back, for anyone who wants to go dig it up.
And, to be honest, it's really not a good idea to show up at these places unannounced. Maybe they're closed, maybe the girl you want is not working that day, or maybe they're just too busy for another customer. It's always best to call first and let them know you are coming, and when.
I understand that there may be some guys out there that would like to try the salon scene in Moscow but don't have the Russian skills to negotiate that kind of encounter.
I think the best solution would be to have a separate thread for Russian Language Phrases, with a sub-thread for, say, Negotiating a Salon Session. We could post a standard dialog that anyone could use. Which is basically what I do. Many times, the guys who post on sextalk will give you the whole running dialog of what was said by whom, to whom, during their phone conversation with the salon. I just follow their lead.
That's something you won't find in your usual tourist guide! And it's something that I would be happy to do, but there's no point to do it, if it's just going to get lost in an archive somewhere.
Whadda ya say, Jackson???
Vittu,
You're right, in Moscow, encounters of the sexual kind can happen anywhere.
Having never been to Russia before, I was wondering if I could get some valuable advice on this board.
I am going to be there for only two days ( but also two nights!) and will be looking for some entertainment in the evenings. I am interested in massage places that are close to the center. I don't speak any Russian and don't want to get too disoriented while in Moscow. Any help will be appreciated!
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Doc,
I'm a little conflicted about posting too much specific address info on the salons.
I think the best solution would be to have a separate thread for Russian Language Phrases, with a sub-thread for, say, Negotiating a Salon Session.
Whadda ya say, Jackson???[/QUOTE]
Sounds good, Strav. As for not posting salon addresses, I suppose that depends. Some salons advertise their address everywhere, even with billboards. This is hardly a secret. On the other hand, I suppose the smaller salons... and there are dozens if not hundreds... really can't handle more than 3-4 people at a time anyway. It doesn't make much sense to send a bunch of people in their direction... not that foreigners make up much of the clientel anyway. It's 90% locals if not more.
Non-Russian speakers are going to have a tough time anyway, just finding and getting into the salon can be a challenge for a newbie.
I agree too...
I remember my firs time! It was really difficult, get at that metro, go to that telephone and I will come and pick you up (after she looked I'm not a Police) etc etc.
A site with adresses at least name street number and Dom woould be great, then we could PM telephone and floor or whatever.
I agree totally in not getting there without prior call. I did it once, they were quite angry but let me in only becuse It was the third day in row I was there... and by the way they had only one girl... Just the one I searched for I was lucky!!!
IT
PS But it was a lot of years ago!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank] not that foreigners make up much of the clientel anyway. It's 90% locals if not more.
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Doc,
It's 90% locals because they are the only ones who can speak the lingo and get the info they need to find the salon.
As you know, there are a lot of guys "lurking" out there. The last time I posted about salons, I received several PM's for specific info on how to get to them. I'm sure there would be many more foreigners using the salons if they could just find them.
After all, once you're in, it ain't rocket science. You pays your money and you takes your choice and the girls pretty much take it from there.
The trick is... getting into the salon.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]
I think the best solution would be to have a separate thread for Russian Language Phrases, with a sub-thread for, say, Negotiating a Salon Session. We could post a standard dialog that anyone could use. Which is basically what I do. Many times, the guys who post on sextalk will give you the whole running dialog of what was said by whom, to whom, during their phone conversation with the salon. I just follow their lead.
That's something you won't find in your usual tourist guide! And it's something that I would be happy to do, but there's no point to do it, if it's just going to get lost in an archive somewhere.
Whadda ya say, Jackson???[/QUOTE]
Some other forums have language sections, Brazil has Portuguese Phrases section, Chine has Chinese Words and Phrases section, and even Mexico has Spanish Phrases section.
Why don’t we work on Russian Phrases section…
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I'm a little conflicted about posting too much specific address info on the salons.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you here but, instead of having the exact address, it's good to know approximately where a salon is located before calling them.
For St-Pete, I have quite a few salons locations on Google Earth and I call only the ones near the place I'm staying. See example [url=http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stpetesexzoomyy7.jpg]here[/url].
For Moscow, I have the same, but mainly for clubs and only a couple of salons. If I have the address of the salons you know (or any other member knows), I can add them and send the file to those who need it. It's just a small file they can open with Google Earth, a free software. I will know the exact address, but those receiving the file won't :D. They'll only know approximately where it is.
Just a though...
Jim
PS: Concerning the Russian phrases, I couln't agree more. I sent Jackson a request when we managed to post in cyrillic to open a section for this (and I think you did too, right?), but wasn't blessed with an answer. Maybe we shall all send him another request by PM now.
[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Some other forums have language sections, Brazil has Portuguese Phrases section, Chine has Chinese Words and Phrases section, and even Mexico has Spanish Phrases section.[/QUOTE]
BBAJ,
The best example is the Argentina Private site, for BA. The guys there can create their own threads and the amount of specific info is a marvel to behold. But then, that's Jackson's stomping ground....
GJ,
No need to PM Jackson. If it's posted, he will see it.
Are you listening, Jackson???
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Hi there
Can any one tell me if the Miezdunarodnaya Hotel is girl friendly ?
How can I take my conquest back to my room ? Should I expect any staring from the security guards or will this be a quiet walk ?
Is Helena interesting in meeting me tonight ?
Any one also for a city discovery ?
Cheers
The Wolf