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Since this lonely area doesn't yet have anything going on, I figure I'll start it out with a question -- does anyone know anything about longer-term lodging options in Chiang Mai that are clean, air-conditioned, secure? (And, of course, girl-friendly, though I'm presuming most will be in this area.) I'm looking to make the area kind of a home base on my trip this fall, and will be looking to rent on a montly basis (at least two and possibly three months.) I'm not terribly worried about price, as the most expensive things I see are still ridiculously cheap; I'm more after the right kind of place, something I can basically make my home, and with decent facilities -- a pool and gym would be a plus. A two-bedroom apartment would be ideal, or some kind of suite with kitchen facilities.

I've found some options at [url]http://www.chiangmai-online.com,[/url] but I really don't know anything about those options other than that. Anybody have any experience or contacts they can offer?

Joe_zop,
I have no first hand experience in Thailand,- doing my research as well on a trip to Thailand later this year.
There is a pay site called www.zenbuckaroo.com where great information on Thailand can be had. Zen lives in Chaing Mai and has numerous articles on the "fun" and accomodations in Chaing Mai. It is not as dead as one would think, but by no means like Bangkok, according to reports on that site.
It is a very low fee for three months membership considering the value of information on Thailand and other asian spots presented.
Zen will answer all your questions for you if you become a member. Strongly recommend it.
THanks
Clix

Hi joe_zop,
Having never been to LOS, I know You are much more informed about Thailand than I.
That being said, I hesitated joining Zen's site for about a year, then last year I decided, what the hell, I gotta go to Thailand soon and I need to know more about it in detail. THe site presents itself better than other sites and maybe it isn't a rip off....So I joined. Unfortunately shortly after joining, my mother got cancer and well, you know, I had things to take care of here at home and could not venture to LOS. I am planning on going over this year and in prep, rejoined Zen's site since the information was/is extremely useful (for me being a novice). The link is www.zenbuckaroo.com .
Perhaps you may find the "free pages" helpful, as I know I did.
Good Luck!

I don't disagree with your approach, and I did some similar scouting around the first time I went over, which is my approach any time I go anywhere new. I've just found that the information here and in other sites (it's pretty easy to get a pile of Thailand scene bookmarks) are very good, especially since Thailand is an extremely tourist-friendly place, and info is all over the net. I found most of the info on the zenbuckaroo free pages pretty much the same as I've seen elsewhere, which is why I hesitated shelling out any money. All the stops mentioned are pretty much the basic ones that everyone knows about, and there's info about them in various places. I wasn't in any way implying the site is a ripoff, and it sounds the opposite, since you've rejoined it and are still happy with it, which implies things have been updated. The bottom line is that thirty bucks is not all that much (pretty much what I paid last trip for a night in a suite) and if it saves you hassle then it's worth it. I just travel a lot, and rather enjoy the online research side of things, so I'm pretty used to tracking things down myself. But keep in mind that there are a great bunch of knowledgeable guys here and on some of the other sites, and tons of good info in the archives.

So, have you figured out your itinerary yet? I'd be happy to share any bookmarks I've got for places you're looking to go.

I don't know how much travel you''ve done, so forgive me if I'm stating something you alread know, but I'll give you one piece of advice. I'm always amazed by when watching people travel, both in Thailand and elsewhere, how careless and open they are with their wallets. Particularly Americans. You've got to be careful, particularly in crowded places, as there are some very good and aggressive pickpockets out there, and what you're carrying can be months and months worth of money for them. On Sukhimvit in Bangkok I once had a katooey get some cash out of my front pants pocket during a five second attempt at hustling me, while I was brushing him/her off. The only other time in my life I've had someone pick my pocket, though it's been tried a number of times, was once in Times Square, and I wasn't paying attention and deserved it.

Personally, when travelling in the third world, I never carry a standard wallet. I carry any credit cards or passport stuff or excess money in something beneath my shirt or around my waist or strapped to my ankle, and I carry walking cash in two pockets, in front, and at least one of which buttons or zips. That way if you're ripped off or picked you only lose an affordable amount. And I leave any more money than I'm going to need in a safe at my hotel. If nothing else, this can also make for some nice bargaining equity with vendors, as you can pull out your sorry wad of walk-around cash (presuming that's the case) as a way of getting into a take-it or leave-it transaction. That can be useful in places like Chiang Mai's night market (just to end up back on topic :-)

Thanks again for the feedback and the site!

Hey Freeler, thanks for the alert that Zen's site has an open gate. I'll be sure to e-mail him and he'll fix the problem.

I hung out with Zen in Northern Thailand in 2000. He is a world-class pussy hound who knows a lot of places. I think he basically lives to fuck. He speaks Thai and his favorite haunts are Chiang Mai, Bangkok and Phnom Penh.

His specialty is paying the least amount of $$\baht to get laid. This didn't really appeal to me, as I will pay $200 for an orgy in a karaoke joint b/c I like quality. Zen goe straight for the bargains. Needless to say, his favorite zone is K-11.

Glad to hear it, MondaysChilde -- I've got no problem with people making money offering the wisdom of their experience, and Zen's got a nice site; I wish him the best.

I'm more or less with you -- while I'm not interested in radically overpaying, my sympathies are with those TGs trying to make a living, and I feel no need to bargain for every last baht. I'm more into a quality evperience than issues of quantity or price, and I'd rather both parties be happy in all aspects :-) The cheap and fairly sordid scenes such as K-11 hold no great appeal to me -- been there and done that.

But Freeler's right -- it *is* pretty simple to figure out how to get into Zen's site. After seeing his message, I took one obvious shot and was in. So it would behoove him to repair that.

I would like to explain a bit about my site. First: The site on a good month breaks even...at best. I am not talking about the money spent on research etc. just to maintain it...servers...etc.
It was NEVER my intention to make money from it and I don't ...except on the rare occasion when I do a video for armchair travelers. I was a former photographer of nudes for the Men's magazines and now earn a modest living (here in Jomtien where I am now residing) selling my slides to collectors on ebay.
I cannot afford to set up the cgi scripts that would be needed to protect from amateur hackers. YES, I am aware that the site is easy to crack. Hopefully the persons who do so are decent enough as the ones speaking here not to pass around the info. If my bandwidth would get tooo high I would have to shut down.
It is not really much of a sex traveler site...It is just a bit of advice on how one can travel throughout SEAsia seeing manysites and find a local native girl to keep him warm at nights. To do this Buckaroos need to have brass balls (former Viet Vets like myself have no problem with this). In many places one has to acquire tastes for some very ethnic (euphemism for ugly) looking women.
The site is a hobby and a chance for me to find likewise MEN who share the same philosophy that I do. Many find my philosophy not to their liking and reject it. No problem from me. FEW know that I was the first to start reports on Cambodia and Svay Pak in 1993. The word is out and there are so many tourists (damn place has gotten just too safe for me) that I really donot enjoy it much. I am discovering some new areas that will not be posted....
long time Buckaroos who understand the philosophy will find them though. By doing the adventures that I will soon be recommending, they will find new treasures like Svay Pak...but there will be many places that will not suit the average guy. REAL Buckaroos do not mind if a place does not have the most beautiful women, because they go for the adventure. and they willcontinue trying my little jaunts. Others will find them a wild goose chase and give up before the real treasures are revealed. Smart readers will probably learn more about the posters here than about my site. In any case I do thank the Buckaroos who patronize the site with their dues for membership. Long time Buckaroos realize that they are often rewarded with things I do that far outweigh the costs of their small member fees.
For all of you, whether you are a member of Zen's Buckaroos or not I wish the best of traveling for great adventures and hope you keep smart and remain safe.

a bit of a post script...
guys who can afford pussy at $200 a shot do not need a guide, web site or anything. And I have no hard feelings about them (I love rich guys...too bad I am not one). I do try to help the poorer working class type guys have a good time...
PPS...I do like posting to different sites and glad one of my buckaroos turned me onto this one. the people at ********** suck...after 350 postings and writing numerous articles...they decided to pull my banner...guess I wasnt' bending over far enough for them to b*tt f**k me
anyway...I shall return here to offer what little knowledge I can...
and hopefully find some like minds

Welcome, Zen, and again congrats on your site. I wish I could manage to get my hobbies to pay for themselves! Places like yours and this one are truly invaluable to new travelers -- I know that I've learned tons about various places I've visited, and was thrilled to see Jackson revive things here, as the old WSG was invaluable when I was a newbie.

I understand what you mean about rich guys; I'm far from one, but I'm not completely a bargain hunter either. Nice and easy, that's me :-)

If you'd like a couple of extremely simple and cheap suggestions on protecting your site just let me know, as it's pretty easy to put some basic stuff up that will keep out all but the truly determined.

By the way, that karaoke place in Chiang Mai was pretty lurid...the mamasan had all her girls doing "love pills" (ecstasy) and the place just oozed decadent sex like some chinatown opium den trip...Zen you remember that night...after that experience I went and did the mamasan at one of the clubs along the east canal (blech!).

My new wife knows how I am, and I look forward to posting on some China stops in the future.

Z -- there's one at the Physical Education College, which I would presume would fit your specs, and I'd imagine the Suan Dok Swimming Pools, since they're so named, would have to be something more than wading pools, but I've not seen either of them myself.

I've been by the Imperial Mae Ping and had a drink at their bar but never stayed there. More than nice enough from my look at it, looked better than the place I was staying nearby (the Suriwongse Zenith) and certainly galaxies above the Nana class. Seems to me from my previous reading on this stuff (which was about a year ago) that they also had some sorts of golf packages available...

The Imperial Mae Ping is a big tourist hotel. Seems like a big place for the tour bus crowd. But for my money I prefer the Chiang Mai Plaza

anyone in chang mai? am arriving on afternoon of july 8 ... first night at star hotel and then on to lathai hotel... anyone care to catch a drink together and help me get oriented to the city?

Freeler/any others!,
Considering heading up to Chiangmai, Chiangrai and Mae Sai for the upcoming holiday. Question is this. Any ideas on where to stay in Chiangrai/nightlife(must a freelancer/disco spot somewhere?) and same with Mae Sai. I read somewhere that Mae Sai has some "cough cough" places to go and see.......anyone ever headed up that way before and can give me some friendly advice? How about you Zelda? You seem to be
"in the know"....Thanks in advance....

Chikan -- two main areas for you to consider, either in the Night Market area, where there are a fair number of beer bars and a variety of clubs, or in the Tha Phrae Gate area, which is where the two main go-go places and lots of bars are along Loi Kroh near the old city. [url]http://www.chiangmai-online.com/[/url] will give you a good list, and you can use their hotel discounter to search by area, rate, quality, etc.

This map is also pretty useful to help figure stuff out: [url]http://www.xtremetravel.net/members/Shasta/cm/cm_map.html[/url]

Freeler/joe_zop,
You guys are quick! Thanks alot for the info. I think I've nailed down a hotel in Chiangmai -Diamond Riverside? You think ok? Seems nice at 700B night...we'll see upon arrival if I pick it. In Chiangrai, I'm not sure where I'm staying.....hotel listings on the web are few(time to look some up in LP?)...and I can't find too much on Mae Sai either...but your advice is duly noted! I think I'm ditching my plans for Phuket/Phi Phi... the north seems more inticing for some reason....I'm going to take a bus from Chiangmai (7 days)to Chiangrai...stay a day or 2 then venture to Mae Sai by bus......I think that's do-able...I'll let you guys know when I'm on the ground. Should I take a bus from BKK to Chiangmai or train it? Should be an interesting trip...any other info that you think of, feel free to let me know. Drop me an e-mail if you don't want to take up space on the board.
canada_031@hotmail.com
Thanks again guys! Great support!

Yeah, definitely avoid the BKK-CM bus, if you can. The overnight train is really pretty nice, though if you're tall like me you might have a hard time with the sleeper beds. I didn't really sleep at all but still enjoyed the trip. Flying's not too bad, in terms of price, either, of course -- 2200baht or so, if I remember correctly. I found far less backpackers (and thereby, as Freeler notes, ripoff artists) in first class, but up to you. Not a huge amount of difference, really.

Diamond Riverside looked like a nice place when I walked past it -- never went inside, so please let me know what you think of it, as it's one of the ones I've been considering for the first night or so of my next trip there. It's nice to have the river there; you're close to the night market (and not too far from the Sayuri massage complex, if you're so inclined.)

Sounds like a nice little trip -- be sure to let us all know how it goes!

joe_zop/Freeler,
I hate to keep repeating myself, but I really do appreciate the advice/maps etc...that you're providing me with.
Freeler: Sorry about the LP mention.....that's why you guys are here! haha....will not buy it or mention it again! :) 2nd class train it is, should be a nice trip and a way to see Thailand a bit more than flying would.
joe_zop: just out of curiousity how much is the train ticket (approx) from Bkk to CM? I can look it up..just wondering...I'll definately let you guys know how everything goes (D.Riverside) when I get there.
I'm really looking forward to it...play some golf (even though I suck), visit the MP's....(yes Sayuri sounds great!)..etc...Originally I was planning on visiting Phuket/Phi Phi...but I think CM and beyond would be nice to see and easier to do. Thanks again!

If I remember correctly, 2nd class tickets are in the 800baht range, and first class half again as much. There's also an Express train, which I've never taken, that is faster and somewhat cheaper, but that doesn't have sleeper conmpartments or beds, just seats. (I never really saw the advantage of arriving at 7am as opposed to 9am.)

Just so you know -- while you'll see a bit more of Thailand this way, mostly you'll see it near the two cities, as the major portion of the countryside passes by in the dark. I think you actually get more scenery [i]inside[/i] the train than outside ;)

Nothing wrong with Phuket/Phi Phi -- it's gorgeous there, and the ocean/beach scene is great, but the north has its own unique character as well. Can't really go wrong either way.

Thanks for the correction, Freeler. My brain was telling me that those prices had to be wrong, because flights were only a small bit more, but those numbers were somehow stuck in my head. (Should've just checked some of my bookmarks.)

Have you done the day train? If you really want to look at scenery that would seem the way to go.

Freeler/joe_zop,
3rd class it is. It's cheap, and Lampang doesn't seem "too" far from CM. Do you suggest I buy the ticket right away in BKK or just check out of the hotel early (6am)and head to the train station and wing it? Could I take a bus there(in Lampang) right away upon arrival to CM or do I have to wait the next day? Yes, I want to get there "laew laew" hahaha...I'm learning Thai now. :) Gotta hit the golf course!
I'm still waiting for the D. Riverside to e-mail me back regarding if it's "g. friendly" or not and a weekly rate....Cheers all!

Freeler -- regarding your comment on track work, do you know how long that's going to be going on? Any idea what kind of delays you're talking about on slow trains? (Just thinking about my trip over this fall, though I may just choose to fly up in any event.) And I'd presume that even though they only give you a cookie and juice there are still the usual vendors wandering up and down the aisles, too, in case you want something else.

Also, the schedule I was looking at ([url]http://www.traveller2000.com/train/Northern_line.pdf[/url]) has Rap 101 going all the way to Chiang Mai, arriving at 2030. Has that changed?

Chikan, there are other options than ending up in Lampang and catching a bus. Unless, of course, you do this because you want to spend some time in Lampang, which is of course an option. As Freeler notes, RAP 9, which leaves at 0825, gets to to Chiang Mai at 1920, and then there are the overnights as well. And I'd get my tickets in advance as opposed to waiting -- some of the trains get quite crowded.

Freeler,
Damm rights! :) I was laughing my head off reading all these posts.....it seems like anarchy at the best! Ah man...what a life. Well, we'll see what happens when I grace Thailand with my presence....Screw it...maybe I'll take the plane! (I can hear you and joe_zop going.."not after all this advice..get on that train boy!" Talk to ya guys soon!

Looks like it's time for me to update my bookmarks -- thanks for the link. (Easier than a PDF file, as well.) Your story is a good example of the "This it Thailand" scenario; I had a similar experience with the Koh Samui ferries. For those of us in the west, this kind of thing can be maddening, but it's pretty normal there. Gotta get in the proper mood, Chikan :) and just let it happen how it's going to happen. That's one of the reasons I think the night trains are the way to go if you're not going to fly -- you've got the possibility of just sleeping through the delays as opposed to sitting there wondering if you're ever going to move.

Bring a good book!

joe_zop/freeler,
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the flow and just get an over-nighter or whatever is available I think....save on hotel for one night and just chill out and take it easy. In the past I've seen some pretty rude and arrogant "farangs" that swear and just plain loose it at the Thai's and it embarrases me. I'm on holiday for 1 month, so what's a few hours delay or something? I'll bring some reading material for sure and watch my stuff for the "cheapo" "farangs" (everytime I say that I think of "Farangies" on star trek)haha....hmmmmm that's about it. Talk to ya guys later!

Chiang Mai, Phuket, Bangkok and Phuket and over run by ladyboys and it gets worse each year. I guess there are so many woman getting paid that they decided to try and join the games. From my experience and lady that tries to pick you up on a motorbike in Chiang Mai is/was a man. Chiang Mai has a few outdoor bars, 2-3 indoor go go bars and 5 massage parlors that give you the type of massage you really want. You can also try picking up a chick at the disco. The last choice (god help you) is a Karoke bar.

TRIP REPORT (Sept 02)
Ok....where was I? Oh yeah...I'm looking for my seat, and I pass the 2nd class w/sleeper car going, "ooohh, that looks nice..I wonder what mine looks like?" and then I see it (at the rear of the train). 3rd class.......HARD bench seat, squished in with 4 people - this was going to be a long, hard night. The whole trip was spent listening to hawkers trying to sell all kinds of stuff, at ALL hours of the morning. I think even the Thai's were getting pissed off because you couldn't get any sleep! Anyways, if anyone cares.......3rd class sucks the big one! So, splurge and go for 2nd class or higher. I wanted to see what 161 B would give me and now I know - a sore ass for 4 days (no shit). Anyways, near the end of the ride (the 13th hour), the scenery was quite nice and when we hit the train station in CM, I was quite relieved. I tried to phone "Lai Thai" guesthouse, but of course, I couldn't figure out the damm phones, and it wouldn't work (and no-one else could help either). Succumbed to a "Tuk-tuk" driver who seemed ok (had a bunch of referal's in his binder from people) "bob- I think his name was"? and he took me to Lai-Thai w/o any commission of any other of that bullshit. Checked out the room.....of course, the internet pic's look better (what else is new),..but for 590B, it was ok. Then I tried sleeping there. I was on the 2nd floor, 2 rooms from a maid station.....and every morning the phone would ring at the maid station, the maids would be talking and laughing so close, all around the rooms! Sleep.......forget it! The rate dropped to 490B from Sept 1st onwards which was nice....but sleep is important and I checked out of there after 5 days to the downtown inn which was 700B and was WAY BETTER.
Anyways, had a nap and woke up around 11:30pm. Found "nice illusion" disco which was a good walk away and had a beer, checking out the scene. I met a bunch of probation officers who were in CM for a training course, so they drank and danced with me and I had a good time until the mandatory closing of 2am(Didn't want to fool around with any of them!). At 2am, I started to walk the street back to the hotel (but not really wanting to yet) and a car pulled up just ahead of me. 2 good looking women got out and one of them said, "hey where you go, come have a drink with us!". Who was I to say no to that? I followed them to a late night drinking place close by called "Spicy" (forget directions...no idea) and we sat down and ate Thai food (nice and spicey) and had drinks. While there, we met another Thai girl (who was a die hard bar girl) and a guy from the middle east who was her friend(not fucky fucky..just friend). We all sat together and drank and ate and had a great time until 6:30am! Wow.....I stumbled back to the guesthouse and all the receptionist's were giggling and talking. Anyways, next day, met up with them all again and had some good times. The 2 girls I met were NOT bar girls, and just reg. girls out to have fun and to meet their friend. To make a long story short, my newly acquired friend (from the middle east) me and both girls hit it off and we saw them almost every night. We hit bubbles disco (which is quite the meat market)(Close to Porn Ping Hotel), the Thai disco next door (that was cool), and went to an area called "ChaingMai Land" and a disco there called "Bossy". Holy shit......you should've seen the girls at "bossy"!(Real Thai place...careful with the guys....) It was funny because all 3 of them went to the can at the same time, and I was guarding all the drinks, when a Thai chick came up to me and started talking with me (where you from, you come alone, you handsome man...blah blah blah) and then my little "partner" comes around the corner...... The Thai girl goes, "thai language - boyfriend?" and she just nods her little head and the other girl took off like a bat out of hell! These girls get INTENSELY jealous, even if you're just dancing with them! Be forewarned!!!!!!!! They can get quite jealous and possesive....
Anyways, long story short. I liked CM a lot. And yes, I'm going back. I made some good friends over there and we keep in touch now. Lots of memories of getting hammered, going to disco's, picking up chicks, and generally having a great time. It's cleaner, more friendly and s-l-o-w-e-r than BKK/Pattaya which is better for me. I don't like it when girls are always grabbing at you, screaming, "hello handsome man......blah blah blah" - kind of embarrassing/annoying for me anyways(and no I'm not an old man...only 32). Like adleZ said about Korat, if you want tons of girls, and sleaze forget CM. If you don't mind the laid back approach - then try CM. Oh yeah, I tried the Pandora massage place too and it was 1700B and the girl couldn't speak a word of English......but she was cute though. Those massage places are addicting! Didn't goto Sayuri though.....should've(cheaper at 900B) - I just didn't have time. Oh yeah, I took a day trip to ChiangRai - Golden Triangle - Mae Sai and that was good. Anyone going to CM should do it. It's about 750B for the day, and it's well worth it. The border was closed when I went, but that's ok, close enough.
That's it. 2 weeks flew by and the next time will be in June for about 1 month. On the return leg I flew from CM to BKK which was great! Very quick and comfy. Hope the report was ok. Take care everyone and cover your willy's!

Great report, Chikan, you've made me remember part of why I like Chiang Mai so much. I can hardly wait to get back there -- the time for which is fast approaching! Can you tell me a bit about the Downtown Inn? It's one of the places I've been considering for a couple of nights until I get settled in for a monthly rate at one of the places I'm considering.

Thanks for the warning on 3rd class, though I'll say that for me I found it pretty hard to get any rest in 2nd class either, as I'm too tall for the sleepers and it was still pretty noisy with vendors. I also got stuck in an upper which is decidedly not the way to go -- a bit cramped toward the ceiling and the air con blowers. Certainly not a literal pain in the behind like 3rd class, though. I think I'll just spring for 1st class and be done with it -- not worth losing a night's sleep for less than ten bucks.

Freeler, my friend in Chiang Mai says the border at Mai Sai's been closed off and on for a while because of the tension between the two countries, which is unfortunate because it's the place nearest Chiang Mai to do a visa run. It's been mostly closed the last six months, from what I understand. He expects it to open up again any time now, and assures me all will be back to normal by the time I come there in November, but TIT so who knows.

Freeler/joe_zop,
Thanks for the feedback. joe's right about the border at mae sai...political wrangling between the 2 countries made the border closed - not sure when it'll open again. I could go as far as the gate at the Burmese side of the bridge and that was it - didn't want to risk getting shot climbing the gate!
The train was an experience indeed. The sort that I'm glad I did, but wouldn't again I think.....flying is way better. Out of curiousity, how much is 1st class and is it really much faster? I remember Freeler mentioning a super express or something like that leaves early am in BKK and gets to CM like 8:50pm or something same day.
joe_zop, the Downtown Inn is quite good for the money. My friend from Kuwait was staying there, and when I saw his room I thought "what the hell am I doing at Lai-Thai"? It's got a nice big room, mini bar, etc....excellent location (on Loi Kroy Rd) which is where Starbucks/McDonalds is (you know, the new complex on the corner). Staff were good and the important thing is that it was nice and QUIET....gotta have quiet to sleeeeeeeeeep. Try it for 1 night and see. Don't book on the net, the prices I've seen are 800-900 B which is bullshit, I paid 700B. Let me know what you think.

I'm figuring on flying up to Chiang Mai the first time, but I'll also be shuttling back to and from Bangkok a couple of weeks later and I'll probably then do the train/bus route to and from, with, ahem, various stops along the way. My initial arrival time is late enough that there are no more planes to Chiang Mai and the trains are all gone, so I'm just going to spend a couple of days in Bangkok first, since I've got to stay at least one night anyway.

Chikan, I take it you were in the standard room as a single for that price, right? There are several sites which list those at 690low/720high season, and it's worth keeping in mind that lots of the sites that list that 800 rate are including VAT, which is another 17%, so it works out about the same.

I remember when I was scouting around about a year ago that the Downtown Inn also had monthly rates, but I've not been able to find them any more. Do you know if they still do that? The prices were really very good -- something like 6-8000 baht for a two-bedroom, which would decidedly do me, as I do like that whole area there with the markets beer bars and river, not to mention close to Sayuri. (Very nice internet cafes in walking distance, too.) Just a block or two away from where I stayed last time, also on Loi Kroh.

Since you were right there, did you ever stop in the Bunny Club? I'm curious to know what's that like now, as I'd heard the owner (a German guy) died but it was still going.

And Freeler -- define "too damn cold" if you would. I thought you were from nothern climes :) I found 2nd class air kinda hot and stuffy overall.

joe_zop,
Yeah, it was a standard room which was good enough for me. I paid 700B all inclusive(with free breaky from 6am-10am)....and I don't know the monthly rate but if you do find out, let me know please - curious to see what it is. Didn't go into BunnyClub but walked by it enough in the daytime....

Freeler, I hear you -- but the night train I travelled on decidedly wasn't cool in aircon second class at any point in the journey. Guess I'll get another look at it all this trip :)

Chikan -- that was an in-the-door rate? That's very good. What were the standard rooms like in terms of size and so forth? Last time in Chiang Mai I was at the Zenith right near there, low season, and I was paying 1100 all inclusive for a small suite (though that was after negotiating quite a bit and multiple nights.) It's possible I'll stay there again, as I liked it, but I did like the look of the Downtown Inn as well -- a bit more downscale and laid back, from the look of things. It might be that they've gotten popular enough that they don't do the monthly rates anymore -- I've sent off an email enquiring...

joe_zop,

BUARAWONG Hotel
129/9 Rakaeng Rd, Chang Klan, A. Muang, Chiang Mai 50100
Tel: 053-273283 Fax:053-820602
Last time I ask (last month) it is 600Baht for single one bed or 550Baht for single/double two bed:( . Breakfast included. I think they have monthly rent too.

Post here how it turn up.

Thanks, Mega -- have you actually stayed there? The Buarawong is definitely one of the places I'm going to look at -- their monthly prices go from 4000-6000 baht for monthly air! However, I corresponded with someone who stayed there and he gave a rather mixed review. Same same with the CM Apartments, which are right in the heart of things on Soi 7; same general price range, mixed review depending on who I talk to. The Galore Thong Tower is in that area with the Buarawong, from 6000-11000 baht/mo., with the latter being for a large two-bedroom. I'm strongly considering the P.T. Place, which is over by the university, as that looks really nice -- anywhere from 6000-25000 baht, with the one I'm considering at 11500/mo. Gym, laundry, email access, etc. I don't really know that area at all, but since I'm probably going to rent a scooter anyway the location slightly away from the action shouldn't be an issue, though I'd rather find something within walking distance of things.

Any first-hand info on any of these places (or any other long-term places) would be much appreciated. Basically, I'm up for any place I can manage for under about 12000 baht for the month, which should give a fair amount of options, and I'm not really looking to be in a guest house.

joe_zop,

I didn't actually stay there ( Buarawong) but I had seen their room. Think just undergo renovation. It is better than Chiang Mai Gate and Traveller's Inn.

http://www.laithai.com/html/rooms.html this one is a bit noisy.
http://www.thai.net/homeplace/ I didn't stay in this one.

You can request to have them bring u see the room before you make any decision that is when you arrived in CM.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MEGA
[i]You can request to have them bring u see the room before you make any decision that is when you arrived in CM. [/i][/QUOTE]

Yes, that's why I'm avoiding booking a longer-term place in advance and just staying in a hotel for the first day or two. If it's going to be somewhere I'm going to spend a couple of months I don't want to commit sight-unseen. Right now I'm just doing my research, asking questions of the various places, and settling on a menu of places to check. I've got a friend with a car in CM and once I'm there we'll just run through the places and I'll decide.

Good to hear that the Buarawong has undergone renovation. I do like their location and price :)

joe_zop,
When are you going back to CM? Just asking because next time I go back (June 03), I'll be going for 1 month or 1.5 months, so I'll need to have long term accomidation set up too. Looking forward to your reports about where-ever you stay/go. The rooms at the Downtown Inn were quite large (for standard), and had a mini bar, touch-tone phone (lai thai uses rotary--ughhh!), and a nice big double bed. I'd like to know if they have a monthly rate....so when you're "on the ground"....find out and post. Thx!

Chikan -- I'm heading to Thailand the first of November, and expect to arrive in Chiang Mai on about the 5th or so. I'm staying in LOS until mid-January, and while I plan to move around (am also planning on a side to Cambodia at least, maybe others) I'm establishing a base in CM that will be my touchstone, somewhere I can leave stuff like my laptop when I'm moving around, and it's cheaper and easier just to get something for the entire stretch.

Thanks a lot for your posts and help and I'll definitely be posting info and reports as I get them, though don't expect a nonstop boff-a-thon a la Skinless :)

Hi!

I need some advise and help. I will, after a few nights in Bangkok, take a night bus up to Chiang Mai to do some trekking for 2-3 days. I have never done this before so I do not know how it works. But lets say I arrive in the morning and find myself a room for the following nights and go out for trekking the next day. I would like to go out in the evening the first night and I need some help where to go. I just want to find a nice, calm bar where I can have a beer or two and maybe some food. And I want girls there, but not the hard-core-no-heart-hallo-handsome-man-type. I want to choose myself when I feel like it. I will try to find someone for the night but also someone I can find after I come back from the trekking for a couple of more nights and some guideing of the town in the daytime.

Ok, so where do I go out? Any advice? Perhaps even some advice on good cheap hotels and which company to go out trekking with?

Swedtraveller

Swedtraveller -- sorry, I missed your message before this, so it's very possible this comes too late; my apologies if that's the case. I arrived in Chiang Mai yesterday and in general you'll have no trouble finding what you like -- the scene here is far more laid back than in Bangkok. Not too much "hello hansum man" and even that which goes on is far less pressuring and hard core. You can find beer bars with food and women along Loi Kroh near the moat, or a bunch of them around the Night Market, among other places. I spent last evening first at one of the Night Market places -- there's a slew just off Soi 1 there, and a bunch of food places all around the market -- where I like talking to the owner, (talked about her first trip outside LOS to the Netherlands, and her upcoming return there) and then later at the Bunny Club, which is further down Loi Kroh toward the river, just past the Downtown Inn. That's where I'm staying right now (out apartment hunting today) and I find the rooms underwhelming, but ok enough. I'm paying 800b per night, and after seeing it I think it should go for a couple hundred less, but it's very popular with the trekking crowd and among those from Europe in particular, it seems. You might be able to find some trekking companions there, but honestly there's tons of folks wandering around right now before they head out, so if you're reasonably friendly and talkative you should have no problem locating someone to go with.

If you want to give me your definition of "cheap hotels" I can probably give more help, but also check out [url]http://www.chiangmai-online.com/accomm.html,[/url] which has a good list.

Swedtraveller,

Traveller Inn
66, Loikroh Road, Changklan,
Chiang Mai,
Tel: (053) 208484-6

Room rates at Baht500.00 when I was there in Aug. Room are wore out type which I don't think you'll like it.

Beside the reception counter there is a desk for trekking and other activities (which u can ask him). The man at this counter can speak very good english.

Hope this help.

Mega

When in Chiang Mai, I stay at the Empress Hotel. It is conveniently located next to the Night Bazaar and half of the rooms have a river view. The hotel has everything one needs (including a big swimming pool). The rooms are not fantastic, but they are large, clean and comfortable. It is excellent value for money (there is a discount rate at 28 USD currently on the web). I paid 900 bahts incl. bfst last time, walk-in price.

joe_zop,
Just wondering if you've checked out the "PT Place ChiangMai" (advertised on "chiangmai on-line"). It looks quite nice on the web-site (don't they all?) Let me know if you can because it looks like I'll be going there for 2-3 (up from the 1 month) from either April - June or May to July???? Thanks and "happy trails"!

Well, I called there and they were all sold out. It was the one at the top of my list, as their facilities really do look to be exceptional, but I guess everyone else can see that online as well :) Actually, all of the ones that have decent info online were booked up -- was quite a trek for me to actually find an apartment at this time. I figured I wanted to see the place before I rented, so I didn't make a reservation, and that meant being the high season that many were gone. You should have considerably less of a problem in April/May.

Nice part about the Traveller Inn is it's nicely located, but I agree about it's general state.

Did a bit of wandering around so far, and tonight am heading to the Spotlight -- there's a new girl who's long, lanky and energetic. 23-years old and gorgeous. I made to mistake of not barfining her the first time I met her because it was late and I was rather tired (I've been doing a lot of walking here, and I'm not used to that amount) and she was gone the next time I checked in, so I don't think I'm going to miss my chance again. Overall, the scene's pretty much as I remember it -- more laid back than Bangkok, though it seems ever-so-slightly more aggressive than the last time I was here.

Hi joe_zop (and everyone else)

Thanks for your advice. No, you are not to late. It's me who is really, really early to get some advice. I didn't know what kind of response I would get on this site so I thought I would ask around well before I go. I will not arrive in Bangkok until 30 of January. Sorry I didn't write that too. Anyway, your advice is as useful for me now as it would have been later. And thanks for the link with accomodations.

About "cheap hotels". I guess I just want good value for money (like everyone else). Let's say a simple, clean room with my own toilet and shower and AC for about 600b per night.

I will be on a bit of a tight schedule on my holiday. I arrive in Bangkok on 30 of January and I will leave for Hanoi from Bangkok on the 10 of February. And between that I will try to do some trekking in the Chiang Mai area. Perhaps that is why out asking around already. And since I have never been to Chiang Mai before, I want to avoid the biggest traps I can fall into. So are there any special hotel areas to avoid, or perhaps areas to choose, in the city? Is it perhaps a good idea to make a hotel reservation at some tourist information place already in Bangkok?

How is it going with your apartment hunting? Are you staying a long time?

I wish I could give you some advice back, but my experience from Thailand is limited to Bangkok and Karon Beach on Phuket.

Until next time (in about a week), swedtraveller

Glad it was still of use -- there's usually a fairly quick reply rate in the Thailand sections of this board, but you're approach is smart as it never hurts to do some advance research. I suggest you spend some time reading both the current areas and the archives, as both have some useful info, and then go from there.

You should have absolutely no problem finding what you want in that price range, particularly if you want to go the guesthouse route -- smaller, more casual, not as many amenities, a bit more funky (and often with more charm.)

Things to avoid, hmm, really this is a pretty laid-back area, and it's possible to find good deals either by looking in advance or by coming in and looking around. Not too much to worry about, really, just make sure you shop around a bit. Since you're on a tight schedule I'd probably opt for the former. It's probably just as good to use the net as a travel agent from Bangkok, as then you'll probably be dealing with a travel agent based in CM. As far as areas, as a new visitor I'd imagine you want to stay either on the east side of the city near the night market (which is truly an interesting and eminently repeatable experience -- tonight I had some absolutely marvelous Pad Thai from a steet vendor there for 20 baht) or on the east side of the old city, which is the other main area where the night action is. But either way it's only a couple of kilometers, and you can either take a tuk-tuk (much less crazy than BKK) or hoof it. I've been doing both, depending on mood.

And yes, I managed to track down an apartment for now. Only problem is I can only stay here for five weeks, and then have to find something else, as a long-term renter is coming in. But it's huge, and costs me 7000baht for the month plus a quarter that for the extra week, and a bit more for utilities and phone. So I'm essentially paying under 250baht a night, and you can't beat that, especially for a large place of my own with once-a-week maid service and a great view of both Doi Suthep and the river from my balcony, with the river really close, a Wat across the street, and the night market area within walking distance.

I'm in LOS until mid-January and while I'll be moving around a little bit, I'm making CM my base, so I do like it and suspect you will as well, especially if you're into trekking.

And don't worry about giving info back at this point -- just have a good time and share what you learn later! That's what makes this board tick, and I've certainly benefitted immensely from other folks by doing exactly what you are doing now.

Swedtraveller,

It seems you already bought your BKK-Hanoi ticket, but did you know there are direct buses from Vientiene (Laos) to Hanoi?

Trekking often turns out in a monkey viewing contest at the villages, trekkers getting high on God knows what and then you go back...
In CM there are as many travelagents as there are bars in Pattaya, you will have to trust your own judgement and/or VERY recent (as in: today!) reports in finding the right one.
In a town like Pai, 4hrs by bus from CM Arcade busstation, guides will take you into the forest for a day, just you and him, for B300 or so.
On the bus to Pai, no doubt, you will meet members of at least three or four different tribes.
For long treks, better go to (stay in?) Scandinavia. Safer and better fishing too!

On the guesthouses. What makes the buses from BKK to CM unsafe is not the driver, not the Thai people on the busstations, but your fellow white cheapo traveller who doesn't know shit! The same dude that will be in your guesthouse. Just don't go that route.
Joe_zop is absolutely right in saying that there are B600 A/C hotels plenty. All of them are safe. In fact, of the 100+ hotels I've been to in LOS, I thought that perhaps one or two were not safe and left for that reason.
Believe it or not: rooms in Thailand are always clean. If not, have it cleaned, or go to the place next door.
All over Thailand you can find clean, safe A/C rooms for B300+ or fan for B150+.

Whatever you do: Trevlig resa!

joe_zop,
Tell us more about your adventures......I'm most curious about the clubs you've been to etc.......chicks you've met etc...what you like and don't like about CM. Aren't those Tuk-tuk drivers on Loi-kroi Rd (by McDonalds in Night Market) annoying?! Ahhhh. Check out the gun club in ChiangMai too.....let me know if it's good or not......and of yeah before I forget (and you too haha), IF you get time before you leave Thailand, try and get a good look at those PT Apartments.....I'm REALLY quite curious about that as I'll be needing a place for 3 months anyways. Thanks joe...glad to hear the "clapper" has cleared up.

Chikan -- sorry to have been lax on this, and I'll try to put something together here now, with a promise of more a bit later.

I don't mind the tuk-tuk drivers all that much, honestly, except when it comes to some of the prices they try to get you to pay. I actually had one quote me three hundred baht to take me to the old city, and then insist that was a fair price! I told him I would pay five hundred if I could have the tuk-tuk for my own at the end of the ride, and we actually ended up where we ought to be, at thirty.

I'm not a gun guy, so I'll leave that one to you. I doubt I'll be spending too much time checking out discos, either, as I'm just too old for that scene, unfortunately. The couple of times I've poked my head in them in LOS I just feel out of place, even if I really do like and listen to the music. I'll see if I can get a look at the PT Place, as I'm going to have to find another place in a month, but you should, according to the friend who tried to get me in there, consider Lanna 3 as well -- some truly spectacular views of Doi Suthep.

I've wandered into and by the various beer bars in the night market, and on Loi Kroh near the city. It seems to me that there are far more women who are looking for one-nighters than when I was here before, though there are also the core group who want long-term only. I see very few women being bar-fined from the Night Market area, and had several offer strongly. I've avoided for a couple of reasons, not the least of which being that I don't feel like getting identified too strongly with any one bar here, given that it's kind of local turf for me.

I went back to one place I had a good time last trip -- the Bunny Club, past the Night Market on Loi Kroh heading to the river. They're somewhat pricey, but have some nice lookers, someof whom get pretty wild as the night goes on -- it's not a strip club, but at some point in the night some girl is usually either doing a striptease, being up on a table doing some extended flashing and grinding, or mauling someone in as public a way as possible, making sure she's being checked out. It's got space both inside, near the pool table, and outside in the open air. Short-time rooms upstairs where some of the women live, or you can bar fine and take elsewhere.

I came by and was astonished to see Nan, who I'd been with on my last trip. She's now twenty-three, and more gorgeous than before, with her hair cut shorter in a stylish way. Before she had absolutely zero English, now she speaks pretty fluently both from being at the bar and from taking computer courses. Man, did she look good to me, and I'd really enjoyed my time with her before. I didn't bar fine her the first couple of nights I saw her, though, because I was preoccupied with finding an apartment and getting everything together. I did, however, spend lots of time talking to her, and found her witty and engaging.

One night I brought some tarot cards to the bar and ended up telling the fortune of half of the TGs there -- I finally begged off from fatigue. When I finally did barfine Nan, she seemed very pleased. We'd discussed how long I was going to be in CM, and she seemed very interested in that. Well, we get back to my place, hop into bed, and she informs me that the only thing on the agenda tonight was sleeping. Seems she's actually mad at me, because she's convinced I butterflied her when I was with her before. No amount of me telling her (which happened to be the truth) that I saw her just before I left for Koh Samui will convince her otherwise. No, she say, no look, no touch, just sleep. Fine, I said, but not here -- you're gone, and we're done. She looked totally surprised, and only when I said, "You leave now" did she figure out that she'd messed up. But she still didn't offer to change her behavior, probably figuring that since I'd talked to her for three days I was hooked. As I sent her down the elevator I told her, "You blew it -- I'm not into games like this" and off she went with nothing but a shocked look.

I've gone by the bar several times since, and the various girls keep grabbing on to tell me, first, Nan not here (as I've made it clear I'm pissed at her) and then to either tell me how true their fortune was or to beg me to come back and do theirs. I wish I'd figured that one out years ago -- I may take those cards with me everywhere. So far I just keep going past with a few pleasantries -- it's the least congested way to the Night Market from my place. And if something doesn't work out with the TG I'm with at the moment, there are a couple at the club I'm interested in at least for a quick boink and a little bit of face revenge. But we'll see.

As far as the TG I'm seeing at the moment, she is from Spotlight, which is one of only three dance bars (now covered) in town and the one most farang end up at. I saw her when I first went in and was immediately attracted -- far taller than your usual Thai woman, moved amazingly and sensuously, and a great face. The mamasan (who's a real piece of work, btw, brought her over to sit with me, and after talking to her for several minutes I was very convinced she was at the top of my list. Smart as hell, confident and shy at the same time, and very obviously new to the scene. It was very late, and I was tired, so I didn't barfine her that night, but went back the next with that intention. Nope, she wasn't there. So mamasan tried to give me a substitute, an Issan girl who was close to the same body type but frankly about as vacuous as they come, something that I can find sexy at times, especially if they know what to do with their body, but this one was simply unbuttered toast.

So I went back the next night and grabbed her. Turns out she's always late (which makes the mamasan furious) because she goes to school from 5:30 to 8:30 six days a week. So I barfine her, take her to get something to eat (because I'm hungry) and in the middle of the meal she starts to get a really distressed look on her face. I ask her what's wrong, and she says nothing, so I wait and ask again, as she's almost in tears. Of course, what else -- her period has just started, and now she is completely in tears, afraid I'm furious with her digging into her purse to give me the money for the bar fine, etc. I tell her it's no big deal, it happens, and she's as mortified by my knowing what's going on as by the fact it happens. I ask her how long she'll need to stop working, she says three days, and I say, fine, let's get you a tuk-tuk, I'll see you in three days.

So back I come when the allotted time has passed and the moment she sees me she tears across the bar, in tears again, and gives me a huge apology and goes on and on about how much she liked talking and she was afraid I hated her, etc. Typical TG histrionics in a lot of ways, but utterly charming nonetheless. So I barfine her, she has to do one more time on stage (where she's the only girl wearing a bathing suit -- something she hates and says the mamasan insists she do) and then off we go. Well, it was well worth the wait, and I've basically been with her since except for the day she headed home to see her baby (she's twenty-three, flawless body and no sign of having a five-year-old) and parents. She's truly the typical shy TG -- even getting her to ride on top has been impossible thus far, so it's missionary or doggy-style at the moment, but she is a great bed partner nonetheless. Unless something negative happens I can very much see her being my regular tilac when I'm in CM, as I like her company very much. We've discussed her experience so far (precisely how bar fines she must get each month (which is an amazing twenty-five) and drinks she must sell (fifty-five) to get her 5000b salary. It appears that the mamasan is somewhat angry with her for keeping me out of the bar, as I would usually buy a lady drink or two while waiting for her to show up, but so it goes. When I come back to CM (I'm probably running to BKK later this week) I may well simply pay her fine for a week and see how things go.

Well, that's again far too much for now, and I hope folks don't mind the blow by blow. If you do, scroll on by...

That's a nice one about the Tarot cards. I'll have to remember this stuff the next time ago. Unfortunately, I'm heading out the door to Phuket soon & won't have time to figure it out by then!

moogman

I'll be in CM in early January. I was there once before but I didn't know about some of the places I'm now reading about on this board. Where is Bubbles? Where is Spotlite? I now know where the Bunny Club is, from reading this board, so I'll try that place. Also, I'm staying at the Empress and I believe I read someplace that is was "friendly". Does anyone know if that means guests are allowed, but there is a charge? Or, are guests allowed without charge?

Thanks for any/all help.

Pretty well all hotels in the north are "girl friendly" as opposed to those in the south. I don't know specifically about the Empress but I'd be really surprised if there was a problem. Easiest thing is still just to register as a double rather than a single; I've never had any trouble if I do that. Might mean you pay a few more baht up front (very often not) but it eliminates all issues.

Spotlite is on Chaiya Poom (or Chia Phum) Road south of Tha Phrae Gate, just outside the western moat of the old city. One of the main beer bar sections is just south of there, continuing on Loy Kroh Road toward the Night Market.

OK, thanks for the info. If anyone is around Chiang Mai the first week of January and want's to share a drink and stories--just e-mail me at Travelman777@yahoo.com.

Looking forward to returning to LOS.

Tman777,

I'm also thinking of booking a room at the Empress for a few nights in late December/January, can I ask how you went about booking it? Did you go through a third party website or direct to the hotel? And what was the price?

And I'll probably be up for a beer or two at some point as well...

Thanks in advance,

Tom.

I used asiatravel.com and paid 1600 baht for a deluxe single.
Stay in touch--I'll be there Jan 5, 6 and 7.

Tman777,

Sorry it's taken me so long to respond, I've had this really nasty flu thing that has been doing the rounds in the UK. Anyway, thanks for the info, I will most likely use Asiatravel.com unless you had a particularly bad experience with them, and I will send you an email at your yahoo address a bit nearer the time.

Thanks,

Tom.

JoeZop - I think I remember the mamasan at the Spotlite - Cute, petite Chinese Thai with glasses. I liked her too, but I was a newbie and didn't approach.

I thought the Spotlite girls were a little uptight. All in all, I had trouble getting satisfying Sanuk in CM. BKK and down south were better for me.

There was a karaoke joint near the CM Plaza Hotel where the mamasan brought the girls Ecstasy and they were slinking around like Vestals of Shakti just DYING TO GET FUCKED. I had a couple good but expensive afternoons in there.

Thanks for the info, MondaysChilde -- I'm on my way to Pitsanulok right now for one night and then will be back in Chiang Mai. Just curious -- what did you pay at the karakoke joint? I know they're pricy (they cater mostly to the Japanese) but some of the women hanging there are simply outstanding. Also, there are three different ones near that hotel, all around each other -- do you know which one you went into?

And I agree that the women in CM seem to be a bit more work, but I've decidedly had some good times as well. I'll post a bit more about it all once I'm back to my laptop and dial-up as opposed to internet cafes.

JoeZop - As I recall...as you face the front of the CM Plaza, it's to your left, on the other side of the street that borders the parking lot & turnaround for the hotel.

You will know it because IT LOOKS LIKE AN INTERNET CAFE WHEN YOU WALK IN. The mamasan is a good-looking lady in her 40's who must have been smokin' in her day.

As I recall, a staircase runs up the right side as you walk in. the entry room is like a big room with computer terminals. There were rats in the walls and you could hear them scuttling. I spent about $200 U.S. fucking a girl all afternoon and drinking. That's a lot in TL but who gives a fuck sometimes!

Ah, you must mean Madam Fluke's. Yes, she's decidedly a good-looking woman, no doubt about that. And I know what you mean about the money: sometime's it's just worth it no matter where you are -- though I'm not looking to rush over and drop 8000baht at the moment :)

Gentlemen,

I'd like to take just a moment and introduce myself, Shamas O'Dognasty. I post on the Louisville Kentucky and San Jose Costa Rica boards extensively.

I'm planning a trip to Thailand in mid April and plan to spend some time in Chiang Mai.

From my travels I've learned to stay away from the high end places. It seems like the higher the prices, the more business like the girls are and you don't get any more, usually less than you do from the mid range places.

In San Jose so many of the guys rave about the Del Ray which is the high end monger watering hole in town. Mi amigos and self have found so many places that are so much cheaper and the service is so much better. This is my quest in Thailand.

I've spent some time reading the posting here and will try to read all of them over the next week.

Thanks to all for sharing your info and I'll be posting for more info shortly.

Shamas

Shamas - have a good time laddie. My personal preference in Thailand was actually to spend more.

It was not my experience that higher-end ladies were more mercenary - that occurred at all stratas of the trade.

Chiang Mai? I liked places like Madame Fluke's (see below) because they were so obviously Asian fleshpots. The asian men want to be serviced, they don't want to play romantic, they want a beautiful and submissive woman. Therefore I went to places that catered more to the asians.

When I go back in April, I will be in Rachada in BKK.

The Girlfriend Experience is a matter of chemistry and seduction. I just try to find a woman who actually likes to fuck. It can be done.

I would like to try San Jose some day. Thailand is Buddhist, so the game is different.

MondaysChilde

I just have a second, Thanks for the reply and I'll post tonight my actual travel plans.

shamas

MondaysChilde

I'll be in BKK from 13 apr for 2 wks. I'm going to take a three day trip to CM during this time, I've already booked a room at the Royal Asia Lodge. I'll proberly stay at the Riverside hotel in CM.

If you want some info on SJO I'll gladly provide. The places I visit there are 1/3 the cost of most of the gringo watering holes and a few of the girls are very pretty and have great attitudes. One big + for SJO, BBBJ are an art form there.

Shamas

joe_zop,
seems your enjoying yourself over there! hate to be a "bug"..but have you had a peek at the "pt place apartments" yet? ok....have fun over there!

Sorry, Chikan, I never made it over there to get inside, but from the outside they looked more than nice. When I came back to CM, things were ridiculously booked because of the holidays, and I wasn't able to find another apartment at all. Ended up staying at the Tapae Place Hotel for 550b a night, which was ok enough, but not what I'd have preferred.

I'll post more about CM later -- I'm in the last couple days of my trip, and have a bunch of work to get done before I scoot home.

joe zop - I liked the Tapae Place - that's the one with the very popular western-style eaterie attached, right? I brought home many a visitor and they just smiled...good location too - but get a back room.

Yes, it was decent enough -- a bit worn in places, but definitely in a great location and visitor friendly. (If anything at times a bit too friendly, if you know what I mean.) The eatery is so-so, and they did jack up their prices around the holidays, unlike a number of other places, but I'd stay there again. I'd pick it over say the Downtown Inn, which it probably resembles in class -- better all around and less expensive, imho, and situated so that both the night market and old city the beer bar areas are within walking distance. The only downside can be that Tapae Road gets shut down for the walking street on Sundays, so it can be a pain to get transport then, but on the other hand you've got that wonderful circus right near your doorstep.

And seeing as I did promise to post a followup here on the CM scene and my experiences I'll get to work on that.

Cheers everybody.....

As a first-timer in severe LOS-euphoria I ended up overpaying young cunning BKK-beauties. I have decided that I will not do it again (I still feel like an idiot......)

Could anyone please give me guidance on what to pay on my upcoming trip to CM (freelancers, beer bar girls, gogo girls and tipping in MP's).

Thanks.
philo(sopher)

Cheers everybody.....

As a first-timer in severe LOS-euphoria I ended up overpaying young cunning BKK-beauties. I have decided that I will not do it again (I still feel like an idiot......)

Could anyone please give me guidance on what to pay on my upcoming trip to CM (freelancers, bargirls, gogo's and tipping in MP's).

Thanks.
philo(sopher)

Hmm, there's a lot of variation in Chiang Mai. Here's my take on it, but others may have a slightly different perspective:

Streetwalkers: 200-400
Beer Bars and freelancers: Short-time 300-600, Long time 500-1000 (with some holding out for more, of course)
Go-Gos: ST 400-800, (with many asking for 1000) LT 600-1200 (some will demand 1500-2000, and will refuse to go for less. Unless you're smitten, move on. Often moving on to another in the same place will change the price, but sometimes it's then a matter of principle and nothing doing. Depends on how busy it is and the lady.)

Tips at massage parlors are usually 200-400baht. By and large all tips here keep the girls happy as the big price is what's up front, and that varies depending on where you're going, ranging from 80-1500baht, generally. Tips vary if you're looking for stuff like anal, of course, as the worker is obviously looking for more.

Can't tell you the Karaoke prices, as I never wandered into one in CM, knowing they're pricy.

Be forewarned -- Chiang Mai ladies are not as easy or open as those you'll find in Bangkok or Pattaya. A large number are looking for longer-term relationships and play games accordingly. But if you're careful and selective there are very truly some gems to be found.

Thank you very much, joe_zop.....

I will print out your authoritative guidelines and carry one copy in my wallet, one in each of my pockets and one in my brain. I will spare my heart though... (and only overpay special gems from now on...)

Thanks again.
philo

My buddy and I are going to Chiang Rai in April. Can anyone tell me whats it like there? We have been to Phuket and Koh Samui and just love those places. We are just looking for something differnt.

Chiang Rai is very different from either of those places, needless to say, since it's in the far north as opposed to in the beach and ocean areas you mention. As far as sanuking action, there's some there, but it's nothing like the scale you'll find in any of the major areas in LOS. Chiang Rai is essentially a smaller version of Chiang Mai, wanting to be a major tourist destination but not really completely pulling it off though it still gets a fair amount of traffic, rather sleepy, with some gorgeous surroundings, nice restaurants, and laid-back atmosphere. Most of the action I found was down around the night market area, but I didn't get the chance to really wander around all that much during the brief periods I was there. That said, I had drinks with a group of ex-pats who swore up and down that it was the best place in LOS, bar none, and that was why they'd settled there. Three of them were married to Thai women they'd met there, two of who were ex-bar girls. It's on my list of places to stay a longer time and explore more, as the two encounters I did have there were excellent. I think your happiness with the place will depend on your temperment and what you're looking for -- if you're expecting anything like the Patong or even Lamai areas, let alone Nana or Patpong, forget it, and if you're expecting hooking up to be as simple as walking down the street and heading over to women who call to you, again, you'll be disappointed. If you're looking for something more mellow and subdued then you might like it.

Thanks Joe for that info. Do you have any info about crossing the river to Burma or Loas? The only other thing is I don't know what LOS means.

Soon leaving for CM, Patong B and BKK (got a Thai Airways any 2 towns in Thailand leaving/returning BKK roundtrip ticket for usd 179; must be bought along with your farangland-BKK ticket).

Using the map (2 of them) from joe_zop's 07-16-02 post together with info from this forum and the pages below I have made my own sanuk map/guide ranging from Phucome MP (east) to Pandora MP (west), Nice Illusion (north) to Kam Phaeng Din road (south). Nice Sunday afternoon work... any newbie should do it.

Here are the links:
[url]www.nanapong.com[/url] (CM nightlife)
[url]www.whorist.com[/url] (CM basics/CM nightlife) [url]www.*********.com[/url] (Field reports Thailand/Chiang Mai)
[url]www.chiangmaimall.com[/url] (directory of MP's)
(and lot of info that you find/check using Google)

Cannot wait to leave the snow.......

ianhrt:

First, LOS stands for "Land of Smiles" or in other words, Thailand.

As far as crossing the river into Burma or Laos goes, I have only done the former, and there's nothing to it. Basically, you take the bus to Mae Sai, hop on a songkaew at the bus terminal (5 baht) and have them drop you at the immigration office. You go in there and check out of Thailand, which takes about 5 minutes, go back out and grab the next songkaew to the bridge, and head across to Tachilek, the Burmese city there. There you surrender your passport and pay the toll, and in you go. I didn't stay overnight, so if your plans are more involved than just wandering around on a day trip then you'll need photos, a mimimum of 200USD, and to grab it in advance. If you're going over the river into Laos my understanding is that you need to get your visa in advance, which you can do in a zillion places, either at an embassy or a travel agency. Lots of the latter advertise the service and are reasonable, as they're going to try to make their money on value-added stuff. You can get visas at a couple of entry points, too, but I think they're mainly the airports. Perhaps someone else can chime in here and clarify.

Philo, have a great time, and your approach is an excellent one. I found that printing out a couple of copies of the maps from http://*************************sanukmaps/ to just stick in my pocket while wandering around was a real help. For what it's worth, I never did either Phucome or Pandora, as they're both the more expensive MPs and also the ones farthest afield. Meant to, but never got around to it, so if you go field reports would be much appreciated. I tried both Sayuri and New Nancy, and had an enjoyable time at each. Sayuri is considerably less expensive at 800baht for a basic session, while New Nancy ranges from 1300-1500, depending on the "tier" of the TG you choose, with newbies and the lookers being more expensive. Be aware that as a tourist, both places may try to jack up the prices for you, depending on their sense of how green you are. Just repeat the above prices and you should have no trouble.

Most of the locals swear by Sayuri because it's less expensive and has the largest selection of ladies. I found that while it has lower cost, the rooms have gotten pretty threadbare and are not always terribly clean (rather mildewy), so it's a bit more of dingy experience. You will find a number of long-time pros there who are absolutely expert at what they do. You can also find newer ladies, but as it's a high-traffic place they don't stay that way for long. You're still not going to find the "Eden experience" here, as is true for the most part in the north, but if you're looking for something other than plain vanilla sex Sayuri's probably the best place to look.

New Nancy is attached to the Chiang Mai President hotel and had undergone fairly recent renovation when I was there. There's not as much traffic, not as much selection (maybe 20 ladies as opposed to 50) but I found the ambience better -- nicer rooms, less of a production-line feel, plus it wasn't as far off the track from where I was staying when I went there. Part of the reason for the higher pricing is, I think, because there are a lot of Japanese hotels in the general vicinity (Chiang Mai is a very popular stop for Japanese tourists) but the prices are really no different than Pandora or Phucome, so I think the main objection the locals have is that it used to be cheaper before renovation. Whatever -- I had a very enjoyable time the two times I went there

BTW, as is true elsewhere, whatever you do, don't allow a tuk-tuk driver to take you to Sayuri or one of the other places or you're going to pay a substantial surcharge, anywhere from 500 to 1000baht. That's not a problem at New Nancy, because you can just walk into the hotel or karaoke there and then back out to the MP. If you're looking to go to Sayuri or Pandora, just have them take you to one of the bars across the Mae Ping River, like the River Cafe (there are some nice places to check out here in any event) and then walk over, as it's not all that far. If you're going to Phucome, just have them take you up to Huai Kaeo and Nimmanhemin, jump out at one of the many businesses there, and walk over. Tuk-tuk drivers in Chiang Mai, more than some other places, require vigilance, as they'll consistently try to take you for more baht. They're not as bad as lots of places, but negotiating pays here, and sometimes it's necessary to just flag down someone different. If you're not in a big hurry, songkaews can save you a lot, though I found myself in the habit of simply walking pretty much everywhere after a while, since I was used to the heat and needed the exercise.

Ianhrt,

In addition to Joe's post:
The river crossing to Laos is at ChiangKhong. There are many buses a day from ChiangRai to ChiangKhong. The trip used to take four hours or more, but I understand there is a quicker route now. So taking an early bus from ChR leaves you plenty of time to check the situation.
However: PM Thaksin recently started an all out war on drugs and you may run in to very thorough checks at police/army-roadblocks. Perhaps allow for an extra hour or two...
Best read the BangkokPost d-a-i-l-y to stay up to date on the situation. UrL: [url]www.bangkokpost.com[/url]

Getting a Laos visa: either at the Embassy in BKK or at the consulate in KhonKaen (I don't have an address...). Reliable sources told me recently that the KK route is the quickest. Visa on the same day or the next. Travelagents who 'take care of your visa' will need your passport for at least 4 days. You cannot travel or even change hotels without your passport. When you run into a roadblock you are seriously f**ed if you can't produce a passport.
Bottomline: Leave your passport in your pocket! Don't believe anyone who says: 'I've done it a million times.' Perhaps they have, but without a passport you could end up in ImmigrationPrison. I admit: A cheap holiday:), but a fun one...:(?

The Takilek route is the easiest and cheapest way to renew your Thai visa.

Good point on the passport, Freeler. I'm someone who actually only does visas at embassies or consulates, myself, so my comment regarding travel agencies was a bit glib. On my last trip to LOS, I had meant to get an extended visa before I left so renewal runs wouldn't be necessary, but didn't manage to have the time to run to the regional Thai embassy. I'm loathe to send my passport through the mail or FedEx even in my own country, so why would I want to hand it over half the world away? This is something that comes up a lot if you're renting cars or motorcycles in the north -- plenty of places want you to leave your passport with them, which they see as a guarantee you'll not disappear with their vehicle. I always either negotiated that or scouted around for another place who would take something else -- I'd offer my driver's license or a pile of cash as a security deposit instead and usually had no troubles going that route.

Joe_zop,

The passport-for-rent scheme isn't exactly a favorite of mine, but it is easier to explain to the 'arresting officer' that your passport is at the rental than in, say, Yangon or Penang or 'I don't actually know where my passport is at....'

In a foreign country without passport and visa? Trouble!

OTOH I met this total moron somewhere in LOS last January. He never had a valid visa in five (yes 5) years, except when he came into Thailand for the first time. He said he was arrested and thrown in ImmigrationPrison twice. Cheap holiday:)!
For some reason no-one can understand Thai Immigration did not deport him back to his homeland, but let him stay so he could support the Thai economy with his B300 a day spending habit...

Hi Joe-zop,
Could you please tell me more about Huai Keao and Nimanhemmin ? I have heard that there was an interesting scene on Nimanhemmin, which is a long road with many sois, but I never found anything. Could yuou help ? Thanks.

Erik, I didn't spend very much time over in that neck of things on the sanuk trail, as it was the opposite side of the city from where I was staying, but near that intersection you've got a few things -- Phucome massage and club, some beer bars, etc. Down near Soi 15 are the brothels, but since they're chiefly filled with Burmese women who've been sold into service they represent the worst of the whole scene, and I personally have a moral problem with them, and stayed away. (I hope they get shut down, which they never will, since a high CM police official owns/runs one of them, as they're the kind of thing that gives pay-for-play its bad reputation.) There are several discos on Huai Kaeo just outside the old city, but as a somewhat older fart I tend to be scarce in those. You're right that Nimmanhemin's a long road, and the further down toward Suthep Road you go the less there is, with the exception of the aforementioned brothels. I think there are some things going on north of Huai Kaeo as you head out, as there's tons of activity up there, but my time through that area was chiefly on the way to something else with one of my friends, and I don't think there's huge farang presence out there except for the residence areas -- and there are a couple of farang-heavy neighborhoods out there. I did a couple of restaraunts out there which were clearly Thai-oriented, as they were very surprised to have to deal with me and had little in the way of English, which is unusual in CM. Nimmanhemin's also the general area of the university, (the art center's near Suthep, the main campus further out west) so those of you who chat up uni chicks hoping you can get freebies might look around over there (though most of the uni girls I met tended toward the discos, particularly the ones in the general night market area.)

Freeler, I think your story illustrates the general rule that Thai police usually simply don't want much to do with tourists, unless you're being seriously stupid or a problem. But of course it only takes one cop with an attitude, and you're sunk if you don't have your stuff in order. (Your story also demonstrates that idiots are everywhere :) and sometimes travel under lucky stars, though two times in immigration prison doesn't exactly sound like my kind of desired experience!) I agree the passport-for-rent thing isn't really a big problem if you've got law troubles, but why should I trust a dingy hole-in-the-wall cycle shop over a travel agent to keep my precious papers safe? At least a travel agent presumably understands how important the darn things are...

Joe_zop,

I'm trying to make sense of your CM post with the help of the web, some maps and a bit of the old memory. But I'm stuck:(...

Could you more or less pin-point Soi15 (Soi of which road?) and Phucome massage and club.
Am I correct in assuming that most of the action on Nimmanhemin is where it meets Huai Kaeo Road?

All those things are along Nimmanhemin, (except for the discos) with Phucome being up near Huai Kaeo Road, and, yes, most of the action seems to be up in that general area, as well as possibly further north along the road. By Soi 15 I mean Nimmanhemin Soi 15, which is toward Suthep Road -- the numbers increase on this particular road as you head south. (No rhyme nor reason to Soi numbering progression in CM, of course!) And to be completely accurate, they might actually be on Soi 14 -- it's one or the other, as I went past them several times in a car, basically being distracted by conversation, and once on foot.

Thanks joe_zop........

I will try to do 4 MP's in 4 days. And I will report.....

Found a 05-18-02 post where you are saying 'a page of my book'. Have you written one? Your command of the english language (and I suspect you are from England (or UK/Commonwealth), not TransAtlantica) and your calm and informed writing style reminds me of things I have read before .......

ph

Re: Phucome Hotel MP

According to [url]www.thaihotels.com/chiang_mai/chiang_mai_phucome.html[/url] (has a crude map) the adress is 21 Huay Keaw Road (other Google sources say: next to irrigation canal on your left just before you reach CMU-area; entrance from parking area behind the hotel).

It's a (outside BKK) monster with 576 rooms (sleep) and 66 hides for M.......

ph (will go there by rented bicycle.......)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freeler
[i]Joe_zop,

The passport-for-rent scheme isn't exactly a favorite of mine, but it is easier to explain to the 'arresting officer' that your passport is at the rental than ... at....'
In a foreign country without passport and visa? Trouble!
[/i][/QUOTE]

This is why I've got a second passport - this is even reasonable when travelling throughout the eastern Mediterian Sea. And the one with the Visa-/embarking stamps I always keep by myself.

Philo,

THNX for that Phucome info!

You also wrote:'not TransAtlantica'.
Hmmm, that will probably leave poor Joe_zop gasping for air for most of this week...:)

Frog,

Where I'm from I'm afraid it is quite impossible to have two passports. Unless ofcourse you would have a double nationality. Too bad I have 'only' one of those...:(

Let me again repeat that I never visited Phucome, only went past it in cars and tuk-tuks, as it's rather out of the way from where I hung around -- most of my time wandering in CM was either in the old city or between there and the river area, as opposed to the west. My apartment was right near the Mae Ping, a short walk from the Night Market. I spent a small bit of time running up and down both Nimmanhemin and Huai Kaeo as my friend lives in one of the sois off the former, the Uni art center is over there and I went to a couple things there, and the Central Shopping Center is off Huai Kaeo. I originally spent some time looking at apartments over in the vicinity before deciding I didn't really like how busy the region was (though there are some fabulous mountain views!) I frankly felt the whole area was a bit of a mess, in terms of basic traffic and layout, mostly newish buildings and shiny strip malls, and was therefore the kind of thing I'd come to Thailand to get away from. I didn't spend time at all sanuking in the region, only going to a few restaurants and stores. (Half of my time was spent trying to flag down tuk-tuks and songkaews, which can get scarce in various places along Nimmanhemin. This is also an area where your negotiating skills are critical in that regard -- lots of attempts to really gouge tourists on tuk-tuk rides.) So, please, accept my disclaimer that I'm hardly an authority on action or geography in this particular region! Other parts of the city, perhaps, but not here.

Now Freeler, I can take the intended compliment, as you know I'm far from the jingoistic type, but thanks for the concern about my health nonetheless. Philo, I am in fact from the New World -- there truly are a couple of us over here who can deal with language to some extent when we take a small break from brandishing our guns and flouting the superiority of our culture :) And, yes, I've written a fair amount, from journalism to criticism to articles to creative work, including books. My last trip to LOS was in fact a writing retreat first and foremost, though I confess I spent a reasonable amount of time holding auditions for potential muses as well...

BTW, do be very careful in this region, Philo, as both of these roads can be quite busy and drivers will give your bicycle little regard or respect. Whatever you do, don't try pedaling out there during one of the rush periods or you're asking for trouble.

Frog, I only wish I could manage a second passport. That would be great, but I'm in the same boat as Freeler on that.

Freeler...

seems he has gotten his air back :-)

joe_zop...

I am still impressed. Few people today (and that goes for inhabitants of the Old World too) care for written language. (As I do not have english as my mother tongue, I should be excused :-)

If the traffic gets to heavy I will just abandon the bicycle. I will survive somehow: I once tried to cross Sukhumvit in the middle of the night heading directly from the odd numbered sois side towards the Landmark ATM (which I due to more than 20 Singha's hardly could see) and I am still here...

philo

Well, thanks, Philo, and your English is excellent for a second language (as of course is Freeler's.) You should have no difficulty getting out there -- ten baht and some small bit of patience will get you there by songkaew, and fifty baht at most via tuk-tuk from just about anywhere. It [i]can[/i] be done by bicycle if you're careful -- just avoid the rush period from about 4 to 6pm and be alert, which is something you always have to do on the roads in CM anyway, as it has more accidents than just about anywhere else in LOS. If you want to cycle there, you're better off avoiding Huai Kaeo as much as you can, as it's pretty busy.

As far as Sukhumvit -- I did the same thing the first time I was in Bangkok, only I did it during the daytime. Both of us are lucky not to have been ticketed or killed!

Was in CM a week or so back. Choice of bargirls nothing special - the ones in Bunny club were really dire. Great fat monsters the 2 times I went there. Spotlight disappointing also - tbe few girls in reasonable shape decidedly glum looking. Walked to Sayuri and got quoted 1800 for a full session - didn't indulge as it was 2pm and there was only one girl sitting behind the window. Later got food poisoning from papaya salad - a pisser as I wanted to check out Madame Fluke's (on the strength of Mondaychilde 's "slinking vestals of shakti" recommendation). Anyway, I gave up on CM (will return when in better mood, if only for sightseeing), took some antibiotics and headed down for a week in Phuket where I found the scene much superior.

Hamia,

You wrote: 'Later got food poisoning from papaya salad'

Just a few remarks on the food poisening.

When you order spicy food like papaya salad (som tam) or glass noodle salad (yam wun sen) always ask for Thai style, meaning as spicy as Thais would eat it.
It takes 5 chillies to make a good and safe som tam. Fewer chillies and the germs may survive...

The other thing - and I am not saying that you didn't have foodpoisening, but most people are not aware of this - is that sunburn is the most likely cause for symptoms associated with foodpoisoning, like fever, vomiting and diarrhea. The sunrays destroy the skin by burning it, white bloodcells come to the rescue but get slaughtered themselves. This leaves your body with a lot of internal cleaning up to do resulting in the symptoms mentioned.

Freeler

I don't think my papaya salad was making any concessions to "normal" falang tastes - in fact it had a rather high chilli content, and this is from someone who is quite at home with uber-spicy cuisine. Maybe I shouldn't have scoffed it so quickly - waited for the chilli-effect to zap the nasty germs.

The sun factor may have played a part though - I like to walk a lot when I'm on holiday in an effort to keep in reasonable shape (unlike the bloaters in Bunny club) and didn't have a hat for much of the time.

Does anyone who if there is much action in Chiang Rai? Been to Phuket several times and really like it. Just want to see something differnt.

Back again from LOS (sometimes that S must mean Sad things, or am I going soft-core?).

I liked CM, and had quite a few good moments there. Here's my MP-research (map is B&B City Streets Chiang Mai, around 165B):

Sayuri

Best in town. Good girls, nice management, first girls arrives around 2 p.m., asians in the front-of-fishbowl-sofas from around 3 p.m. Prices: 800B a wash-n-boom, 950B bodymassage (B-badges) and 1200B for superstar (M-badges). Rooms little bit worn, but you can have VIP-rom for a few reds... 50-100 motorbikes (=girls) from 5-7 p.m. Location: Bumrung Rat (Rajd) Soi 2 (Map: D10 exactly where map says 'BR 2').

The first time I went I said 'railway station' to the taxi-driver and belled him to stop at the junction of Bumrung Rat and Charoen Muang and walked from there (5 min.). Later I used 'Thanon Bumrung Raad Soi Soong' and walked the few last meters. In spite of dealing with 4-5 different 'mangager-sans' I was never asked for a baht more than mentioned over. My favourite......

New Nancy

OK place. 1300B for wash-n-boom (red badges), 1500B for bodymassage (blue badges). Worn rooms. Never saw many girls, but the ones I had was nice... Walking distance (5 min. from Tha Pae Gate). Located in Chiang Mai President Hotel (Map: C8, map says 'President').

Pandora

Hugh place. One time I saw 50-80 girls18-23. 1 h wash-n-boom 1110B (tax you now.......), 1.5 h 1440B. Rooms worn-out and dirty (I think my sheets was used before.....why do I care, the girl was probably so too?).

Map: E11, place not marked. Head for railway station, when you have passed Bumrung Rat start looking for big Shell-station on your right. Get of there. 10 m. further down, on the other side of Charoen Muang, there is a soi between a light green colored house and a pool/snooker joint. Walk this soi some 300 m. to a big white/gold roman-empire inspired right-hand-side building. You're home ...

Phucome

Big place, but never saw much of it. Went early (2 p.m.) Got a wash-n-boom for 1000B. Map B3 marked 'CM Phucome'. Take taxi to Phucome Hotel entrance. Pass the Trad. Mass. place (don't try to mention boom-boom there - I had to pay grandma a red and bow myself out backwards....) to your left and head for the parking area underneath the building. You'll see the neon signs...

to be continued..........

continued:

Ping Payom

Got info from local thai. He said B800. Went tuk-tuk, left the place, returned walking 10 min. later. Ended up paying 1500B for bodymassage (thinking 800B was for wash-n-boom only). Good girls, but no matress for BM. Told manager, he admitted commision but had his own definition on BM: girl touch you with hand = BM. Ended up I should only pay 950B next time. If you are hard-core you will get it for 800B.

Best room in town: clean, delicate and discretely decorated (must be designed by a european reborn thai ....).

Map: D3, place not marked. Take taxi to junction Suthep/Nimmanhemin. Continue westwards on left side of Suthep to the first soi (may be a 100 m.). The MP has its entrance from the parking area inside/behind Ping Payom Hotel. Insist on 800B (unless the nice room is very important to you) ..........

philo

Excellent reports, Philo and it sounds like you had a good time. Seems like the prices in Pandora have come down a bit. And the info on Ping Payom is great -- never heard the place mentioned before, so thanks!

Thanks joe_zop....

and Yes, I had a good time... but already after my second trip with the intention to (mis)use LBFM's I'm starting to get second thoughts... Maybe I had better go to Laos picking bombs (nojudgement on how they got there; but they are there).

Seeing the posters on the wall in one of the rooms of Sweetheart (BKK) made me realize I was banging an 18 (?) yo in her bedroom. My 200B tip grew 1500B so she could buy herself out for the day and meet her friend (you see them: hand-in-hand with similar teddybear-sacks). Another ruined day....

Breaking a condom with an 18 yo from Spotlight (CM) - filling her up - was really something: you feel like shit when the poor girl (and this one really was a child of 18, 4 weeks of working, her first condom breakage) - with fear and tears in her eyes - runs for the bathroom and pumps herself up with cold water. I felt so bad I f***ing went to Nations Doctor (or something) to have an HIV-test: not for me BUT FOR HER! (am I going crazy?)). As I returned to the bar I gave the negative test result to mamasan explaining I had no comdom breaking since early dec. last year, so I was (within the standard 3 months detection time) clean. Trying to make myself feel better, I ended up giving the girl a few thousand for gold. Who th f*** am I: a monk or a missionary or a fool.....

I will elaborate on this later........ Have to go to work (that has become meaningless).

philo(sopher)

PS. Reading A Killing Smile over 14 smuggled gin-tonics last night made me think that may be I am also one of the guys who's 'always defeated by his own decency'. Who knows ....

Philo -- look, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being human about the whole process, and I say bravo for that, and there's no reason to be either heartless or to radically go in the other direction. I'm certainly not going to discourage anyone from helping clean up Laotian or Cambodian bombs if they so desire, as there's little question that can be safer than dealing with the minefields of Thai women, but there are also other approaches you can take.

If you're getting remorseful about being with these 18-year-old TGs, then choose someone older. I personally rarely go for those of that age because sometimes I get exactly that sense of discomfit (as well as feeling even less a sense of commonality than I do with someone older.) But please keep in mind that your decision isn't going to change anything but the girl's income -- she's made her decision about how she's going to make money and whether you contract her or not she's going to do it. Bravo for paying for the test for the girl, but get one for yourself as well.

And you may well be someone defeated by your own decency -- it's no big deal to buy women out so they can go do things with their friends or family, but there are two things to consider. First, expect that if you're doing this you will be deceived at some point, by some TG, who will simply work anyway and pocket the extra money. These ladies are trying to make a living, and an opportunity for extra income is an opportunity for extra income. No need to take it personally, and many will do exactly as you intend and be with their friends, but don't be surprised if it happens, as one of the skills these ladies learn is how to pluck the farang heartstring. Next, and most importantly -- guilt is a stupid motivator for monetary decisions. You want to tip a woman because you like her and/or she's made you feel good, then great. That's appropriate (but don't be a fool about it.) Expect from the woman both gratitude and an expectation that it will always happen like that. But doing so out of guilt about the woman's situation or your own in the scheme of things is a fast way not only to be broke but to be broken.

This whole scene has nothing to do with your personal position in it beyond how you decide to define that, and it won't change no matter how you approach it. It is what it is, and you are who you are -- and if you're not happy or comfortable with yourself in it, then nothing you're going to do is going to make it good. You're comfortable with it or you're not. That's not a reproach, just a caution -- if you're going to engage in this scene, it's best to have your head on straight about it.

Philo,

isn't there a little bit of narcissism in your attitude ?

Agreed, you are a nice person, and you did the decent thing, or so you thought. Nonetheless, you should not see more in this story than there really is. And I agree with Joe, go for an older chick next time, as 18 yos are still so uncomfortably close to childhood.

On a different note, I am glad that your HIV test turned negative (I assume that you got yourself tested to reassure the girl, not that you got the girl tested, as Joe seemed to assue, which would have been pointless).

But what if is did not ? I mean, these tests (I assume you got an ELISA test, by Abbot, or so) are notoriously unreliable. Many people in Thailand got a false positive, just because they have malaria, for example. That would have meant much more aggravation for her, and for you ...

Sometime, doing the decent thing might not be the smartest thing to do...

Philo,

The girls being 18 means they're legal. They're on the adult side of line. Doesn't matter how close they are to it. I'm not supporting child abuse. It's absolutely wrong. But, these girls have probably been ready (if not already working) for a couple years.

As for the HIV test. Much better to be informed with a possibly invalid result than to stick your head in the sand. If you had gotten a bad result, you could have gone and retaken the test (study first this time ;))

Seems like you're a nice guy, and probably made this girls day a little brighter by being nice to her.

joe_zop, zeydlitz and purplengold

you are ofcourse right........ if i think of it as a nonacceptable exploitation or cannot accept putting the girls to a small risk, then i should leave the game. and an older girl will make me more reassured she knows what she's into. and unreasonable overpaying/gifts will not change the moral (or feeling of guilt) of it. and you cannot (and have no need for) trust them.... i just had a bad day (and i also admit i am doing some budgeting: a lt stay in los will not withstand too many days of bx000 more than you planned.

the test was of my blod but done for her. it still amazes me that i gave a f*** about my risk of getting something from her. it just tortured me to think that i might have been accidentally responsible for destroying this cute little innocent daugher-like (no ****) thing.

it was my first test on 7 years. up to dec. last year i have only done farang chang's and the occationally one-night stand

Well, you were smart to be concerned about getting something from her, frankly. (And though I see I miswrote, I was aware of what you meant -- I meant to convey you shouldn't have gotten the test just for her peace of mind, but for yours.) Keep in mind that though many of these women are still young when you come in contact with them, that doesn't mean they haven't had [i]significantly[/i] more sexual contacts than [i]you[/i] have. RN, who posts on this board, is about 30, was only really in the game for a few years, has been mostly out for several years, and I believe her estimate of the men she'd been with was in the 5000 range.

I'm not saying that this girl had anything, or that she was anything more than pretty inexperienced (I've had the same general experience minus breakage, and you do find some pretty inexperienced girls there) but you simply don't really know. It's very possible in LOS to find women who have just turned 18 who still have several years in the game under their belts. At Spotlight the girls are barfined fairly frequently, particularly the younger ones, who are considered fresh meat by the locals who line up to get them. If they don't get fined at least nine times a month, they have to pay the bar. Few do.

Look, why should it torture you less to feel you'd destroyed a TG who was a couple of years older? If something terrible has happened, it's terrible no matter who it happens to. Again, your perspective on this indicates you need to reconsider your choices in ladies, unless you actually like torturing yourself this way, in which case, hey, up to you... :)

I absolutely agree that LT stays can get expensive if you don't keep to your budget. I certainly spent more than I'd planned (though most of it wasn't on TGs, actually, as I was pretty close to my budget there.)

And knowing the dragon mamasan at the Spotlight, she no doubt did a couple of things after you gave her the test results: first, she went to the girl and told her that you were obviously hooked on her, and she should take advantage. Second, she reamed the girl out for letting you spend your money on something as useless as a medical test as opposed to giving it to the girl, told her she wasn't charging you enough and to raise her rates, and then dear mamasan no doubt demanded a substantial tip for the brilliant care and advice...

(completing my unfinished post.... wondering how joe_zop got all his wisdom (no kidding))

From now on I will take the test regularly (and only reveal a positive result after several different and independent tests (a few days I guess). It's a dirty game, but it can be played with some cleanliness.

Thanks for good advice. Going back in May. Will try to be more rational both economically and emotionally.

ph

[i]wondering how joe_zop got all his wisdom[/i]

Half a lifetime of making completely idiotic choices and getting back up off the ground :D along with a fair amount of time helping other people get up as well. I do my best to be forgiving and empathetic because I'm well aware of the magnitude of my own flaws. And despite what it might seem like here because of the amount of posting I do (a byproduct of sitting in front of a fast net connection all day) in real life I spend the majority of my time listening, not talking.

And for what it's worth, I've paid for tests as well as for some hospital care for TGs before, including several I didn't intend to sleep with. It's come back to me positively in a number of ways. There's playing the game, but there's also being true to who you are.

philo,

I'd hate to be a bore about these tests, but a flawed test taken repeatedly is just a series of flawed tests.

If you cannot deal with the (manageable) level of risk inherent to this hobby, then quit the hobby. Or indulge in low-risk behaviors, that can be rather satisfactory, like the famed balls massage ...

My advice is: do not submit yourself to the huge stress involved in repeated testing.

Seydlitz. Your argument is flawed.

Every medical test is flawed to some degree. Ever heard of the Heizenberg Uncertainty Principle? Though it's statement is in terms of quantum physics, it applies to everything upon which physics is built. This includes Chemistry and hence medical testing.

The point is that if a test has a failure rate of 10% and you get a positive result, then you go back and take it again to be sure. No sense just going on with your life assuming you have some horrid disease simply because you didn't want to get another needle stuck in your arm.

And, if the second test disagrees with the first test, then you go get a third, fourth, etc. Until you feel comfortable with the results.

Ah, but this is not about the efficiency or accuracy of the tests -- this is that Seydlitz disagrees about the truth and accuracy of the entire HIV/AIDS argument, and thereby the viability of those tests on the face of them. I would suggest that particular conversation be continued in the Safe Sex arena, as it's likely to be long and heated, as it has been in the past. I think you've got a new sparrig partner, Seydlitz... :)

Joe,

nope, I do not feel like getting into a debate about this, heated or otherwise, the day before I fly back to LOS.

And my point WAS about the efficiency or accuracy of the tests, which are non-specific, i.e. they react to lots of other things than the one they are supposed to track.

This is what people call a "false positive". Happens all the time. Abbot, the makers of ELISA, say themselves that their test should not be used (alone) to diagnose an infection.

Now, of course, if you do not believe that there is such a thing as HIV, then ALL the results are "false positives"... But I did not say that, because in fact I do not know.

What seems to be a well-established fact is that those tests are indeed very very unreliable. And enduring the agony of repeated tests is a very unnecessary self-inflicted agony.

purplengold,

and there is another flawed argument: why would a negative result be more believable than a positive ?

If you get tested, and it turns out positive, you check again, and it turns negative. What then ? You test another time, and again, ... When does it stop ?

But if you get tested negative. Why shouldn't you test again, and again and again ?

Seydlitz -- I hope you enjoy the trip immensely. Guess I'm just misreading and mis-stating like mad in this section of late! :)

Seydlitz. I personally, would get tested a couple times either way in that case.

It's not 'test untill you get the result you want'. It's 'test untill you're personally satisfied that the result is accurate.'

I will not indulge in any discussion over testing....... I will merely state the following fact of logic:

Given the premiss that the illness exists and knowing the test's sensitivity (probability of correctly giving a positive result) and specificity (probability of correctly giving a negative result); it's a fairly simple calculation (using Bayes law and probability calculus) to determine (ex ante) how many tests are needed to put a limit to the probability of false positive and/or false negative test.

philo (the mathematician)

Strange mystery of CM?

When I was first looking for Pandora, I came to the wrong place: a MP located at the second floor of a large white building in Montri Road (Map: BB D11, at the 'Montri' text just over the camera sign). This place had a fishbowl with 30-50 young stunning no-makeup fresh girls. They all wore white health-worker-like outfits. Some of them were f***ing knitting! The closest I came to sex was 2h oil with a few erections at 600B. I tried to give a red to two different managers, but they both said no boom-boom. The cutie I picked from the bowl was as untouchable as an iron maiden.

What's the point of a fish bowl for non-sexual massage?

Dunno what the point is, but I've seen it elsewhere also. I've always wondered if it they were just Thai-only places where extras weren't there for farangs, places that wanted to keep their options open and could easily switch away from massage-only, or if there was just a cultural difference in terms of showing off the attendents. But I've no clue -- maybe Freeler knows.

iahnrt.....

if you're still looking for info on Chiang Rai: read this:

[url]www.whorist.com/01Thailand/01_0_1TsO.htm[/url]

ph

just back from a week of atheletics in cm (well the int cricket sixes!!) did some very thorough research and can report the following.
bunny club - poor pickings, unless you like very fat dogs then you are in hog heaven!
stairway to heaven - otherwise known as the highway to hell!! great fun and passable. good range of young to not so young. us boss really tries to please with an arrangement of special evenings. our final party offered schoolgirls (actually the same girls in school uniforms!) imagine this in the us/uk it would be prison in minutes.
soapies very impressive from 1,400 - 2,000 if you go in alone. lots of fantastic babes and some mysterious back room babes from other countries - probably all **** so be warned.
verdict - it is not bkk but fun can be had.

Does anyone (non-thai) encounter any local police, army and guard patrol when visiting Thai's border towns? How is the mongering action there? TIA.

You'll see them, of course, but they won't bother much with you unless you give them cause to do so. They'll usually board the buses from Mae Sai, for example, but they never give farangs a second glance.

Never got into the border action myself, but it's definitely there.

Chiang Mai is now a kind of sex desert... NOTHING interesting to do. The girls in the bar beers, either on Loi Khro (spelling ?) or at night market are either old or ugly or mother or often the three at the same time. I dare say 80 per cent of the girls have had kids (which means AUTOMATICALLY in Thailand, ugly boobs and belly).
Even at Spotlight A Gogo, which is supposed to be the upmarket one, I had difficulty to pick up an attractive one, and one in my room I discovered that she had awful flat tits. The belly and body in general was quite nice though, which did not make me suspect her maternity. Been 3 days in Chiang Mai, I have not a single place to recommand.

Erik -- used to be some beautiful young women in the beer bars along Moon Muang Road, particularly in and around the Muy Thai boxing area; you might want to check there. No question that the Chiang Mai scene is different than Bangkok or Pattaya and isn't to everyone's tastes -- and given that it's now low season a lot of ladies are elsewhere.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by joe_zop
[i]Erik -- used to be some beautiful young women in the beer bars along Moon Muang Road, particularly in and around the Muy Thai boxing area; you might want to check there. No question that the Chiang Mai scene is different than Bangkok or Pattaya and isn't to everyone's tastes -- and given that it's now low season a lot of ladies are elsewhere. [/i][/QUOTE]

I know there is no raeason, but that is reality. Maybe the Chiangmai market is more for older and less picky clients... I don't know. I have of course been in the 2 places where there are bar beers and thai boxing, and the impression is the same.
The only place where to find non-mother girls might be in the 1 or 2 massage parlors, like Sayuri, but I did not check ou them this time.

Sorry you had bad luck -- I didn't find it that way in the fall/early winter, when I hooked up with several who were young, childless and good-looking. Not stunners in the sense of the two more popular areas, but definitely not ugly. Spotlight at that point had at least a dozen who were 21 or younger. No question, though, that the CM bars have a far, far higher concentration of TGs who have worked in the same place a long, long time and who tend to be older.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik [i]...... The only place where to find non-mother girls might be in the 1 or 2 massage parlors, like Sayuri, but I did not check ou them this time. [/i][/QUOTE]

Sad for you. I checked out 5 MP's in CM, and most of them had young, beautiful and non-mother girls aged 18-23 for 800-1500 B.

ph

[QUOTE]Originally posted by joe_zop
[i]Sorry you had bad luck -- I didn't find it that way in the fall/early winter, when I hooked up with several who were young, childless and good-looking. Not stunners in the sense of the two more popular areas, but definitely not ugly. Spotlight at that point had at least a dozen who were 21 or younger. No question, though, that the CM bars have a far, far higher concentration of TGs who have worked in the same place a long, long time and who tend to be older. [/i][/QUOTE]

Honestly, I only saw (and did) one beautiful girl at Spotlight. All the other ones were well under avaerage, even if young, with no boobs, really not worth the expense, in Thailand. OK, if we were talking about whoring opportunities in North Korea, I would agree that Spotlight is a paradise, but not in Thailand !

Didn't say it was a paradise, but clearly there are differences in taste at work here -- first you complain that everyone was old and showing the effect of kids, now that maybe they are young but they're all all below average and have no tits. Chiang Mai is not Bangkok or Pattaya or even Phuket in terms of selection or scene, but the idea that there are only old or ugly women running around there is one I simply don't agree with. The general look of women in CM is different than the south, because there are fewer Issan women there, and it's a look you either like or don't, I guess.

Spotlight isn't Superbaby or Angel Witch -- not by a long, loooong shot -- but it's hardly going out and looking for the worst looking women in Thailand either. The absolute stunners tend to head south, because there's higher traffic and they can make more money, but there are still some to be found if you look. No, they're not hanging off the rafters everywhere, but by the same token there are probably more women to choose from in Nana Plaza alone than there are in all of Chiang Mai. Now, because CM women tend to push hard for longer-term hookups, lots of them either don't come into the bars at all once they've hooked up or disappear quickly if they do, but that doesn't mean they're not there. (My tilak there was in Spotlight for only a couple of hours during the days I was with her, and one of the locals bitched me out for hogging her. Tough luck, pal.)

Again, I'm sorry you didn't find it that way, but my experience was different than yours -- the two most absolutely beautiful women I was with my last trip were in Chiang Mai, though I was with a far greater number elsewhere. I did have the luxury of taking longer to look, as I was there for quite a while, but while the scene is definitely slower and of lesser selection that the higher traffic areas, I didn't find myself lacking choices.

Hi there. Does anyone here have any e-mail addresses for contacting girl-friendly Hotels in CM? Am planning a trip in Oct. Thanks,

Donnylad

Donnylad,
Check out some previous posts if you can. Since orginally posting a reply, I see that you've asked this ? on most of the different headings. Please do some research 1st and don't expect us to spoon feed you without at least doing "some" research 1st. No hostility intended. Happy trails!

Hi,

IMHO, Chiang Mai girl is the prettiest in Thailand. Most of them go to Bangkok to make a living.

I have lived in Chiang Mai for much of the past 11 years. Here some info to clarify some of the comments posted here.

Chiang Mai girls are very pretty and of all types. While it's true that many of the "good ones" go to work in Bkk for better money and to escape local detection, there are many left. They just tend NOT to work where the farang hang out! Those places draw the bottom of the heap.

For massage parlours, I would say without question that Sayuri has consistently best quality, though new places open from time to time. I always end up back there eventually. Local prices at Sayuri start at 750 or 850 baht -- can't recall which at the moment since I don't go often.

The places to find the prettiest working girls in Chiang Mai are the Karaoke bars of which there are dozens. These attract the freshest and they usually "go out for overtime" (referred to as O-T).

The problem is that farang who want to go on the cheap will generally not want to pay. Here's how it works int he KB's. You select from any of the girls. You then buy her a drink each 30 minutes. Prices vary based on the establishment from 70 to 100 baht per 30 minutes. This is actually VERY CHEAP compared to Bangkok where they can really kill you. However, it's of course more expensive than the beer bars.

Some of the places specialize in "no bra" or have two categories with or without bra. Prices will vary accordingly.

The girls are usually very service minded. They will sing or let you sing etc. You can generally grope to your heart's content.

If you want to take the girl out, you speak tot he Mamasan. Prices in Chiang Mai vary from 1,000 to 2,000 baht (definitely the hi end). Generally short-time (2 hrs).

The quality of the sex with these girls is however below that of the MP's. The girls often are not as experienced which is of course also part of the attraction.

Some of the notable KB's are Ten, Sinyu, Sayuri, Ai, Horikawa. There are however dozens of them sread through Chiang Mai. You can't miss them as the girls hang out in front of them at night. There are about 10 of them in a section called "Chiang Mai Land" alone.

Hope this adds to someone's adventures.

Jing Jung

An excellent report with info not given here before. Thanks.

Although I was a customer at the MP's (5 of them; Sayuri at B 800) when I visited CM, I have never tried the karaoke places.

Next time I will ....

I have to agree with Jing Jung , I was in Chiang Mai about 6 months ago. I was lucky that my Thai driver is a single guy and he likes to monger with me. He will happily settle for some free beers or preferably whiskey and in return he helps me find all the best spots. We tried the beer bars, the girls looked pretty hard. So we tried the larger massage parlors and they had some of the prettiest girls I've seen in Thailand. Taller, lighter skinned, but very few spoke much English.

Finally we had a TukTuk driver take us to what he said were the best Karaoke bars. We got to pick our girls from about 15 really pretty girls, most in the 20's, and definitely not discards. My girl was about late 20's very friendly, but I chose her because she spoke a little English. One of the few, and my Thai and Lao is exhausted in a few sentences. Anyway I'm sitting there with my hands roaming all over her, since they wear these very loose fitting wispy karaoke uniforms, she has no objection to me playing with anything I can reach as long as it's not too obvious to everyone else in the bar.

We ask how much for short-time and she says 2,000B. So we sit there and sing and play until about closing time. Suddenly my girl calls out to a girl at another couch and this other girl comes over and sits on the other side of me. She says this is my sister who is about 20. So the next thing you know I've got my left hand full of a very large nipple and a full C-cup, definitely not natural, and my right hand is full of a very large nipple and a full, firm B+ natural cup, and my girl says we can both go with you for 3,500B?

I'm very sad because now it's about closing time and my spouse is waiting in the hotel for me. Plus I had to leave Chiang Mai the next morning.

I don't know that I will be able to find them again, probably not, but searching will be a blast.

I don't remember the name of the Karaoke place but it was fairly large karaoke bar on a main street. And the girls were definte northern Thai girls, young,very pretty, tall and fair skinned.

I have to admit that I am a bit reluctant to give out the best info, but I have gotten such good info from this forum for my travels to Hong Kong, Philippines, KL, and now tody in Spain) that I would feel quite ashamed not to!

The best quality in girls is generally to be found at Ten karaoke along the river. Don't try to find it on your own, but any tuk tuk driver would know. It's frequented primarily by Japanese and Thai's, but they are farang friendly as well. Several fo the mamas general speak English and will steer you right.

The Japanese come very early and take the girls out, usually by 9:00 pm. The p[lace opens at 7:30 and closes at 2:00.

Costs 100 baht per half hour for a girl to sit with you. They wear flimsy greek type gowns and no bra. Costs 2,000 to take a girl out (80% do OT; ask when selecting). They generally have about 60 girls on a given night.

Actually what also recommends this club is its excellent and honest managementy! Never been taken for an extra drink and they actually train the girls to give good service.

All of that said, these girls are NOT pro's in the sense of the gitls at MP's. You take your chances. But they are the prettiest and aim to please.

This is gettign too long, but I will report on other K-bars in Chiang Mai in the future.

A bit more to add on about the karaoke scene in Chiang Mai. I will say again that the girls at the K clubs are a whole different class from the girls at the bar beers and even from the MP's. Class of looks that is.

One area to investigate by Tuk Tuk is called "Chiang Mai Land." it's not walking distance from the Night Bazaar, but is only a relatively short t-t ride (5 minutes). About 15 clubs within walking distance of each other plus a coupl eo fdiscos, if that is your taste.

A note on K-CLubs. Some have a small hotel attached (e.g., Ten); for the others, the girl can recommend a cheap short-time spot, if you don't want to bring bnack to your room.

Note also that at some cluns (Ten) some girls do O-T, other don't. The mama will tell you. At some CLUBS the girls don't do O-T. The ones I ahve recommended here do, but check with the Mama before you get too excited about someone who won't go out.

Good luck.

Dear Jing Jung
how is spain. where are you and wha t are you finding

Spain was really cool actually. i was only in Madrid, but the fresh, clean air reminded me of New England. A very refreshing change from the Thai weather.

I used the forum while in Madrid to check up on local action. VERY useful and relieved me (so to speak) after days of viewing museums and other cultural sites.

On the advice of forum members there, I visited a club called Flower Park -- a bar attached to a hotel (kind of an upscale Soi 7 Beer Garden with a hotel attached). Girls were all free-lancers but also attached to the establishment, paying a per day fee to the manager.

What made the place so cool was that there were girls from about 12 different countries (Spain, Barzil, Columbia, Venezuela, Italy, Rumania, Russia (but beauties, not like the ones here in Thailand), Hungary, Lebanon, Czech etc.). Price varied but generally about 3,000 baht for 30 minutes.

Girls were real lookers, excelletn quality. Quite a buffet, very tough to choose. I went several times.

After 12 years here (during which time I have not been with a Western woman), it was quite a change! Larger bodies, different scents, different experience. Made me want to stay on longer, though as soon as I got back home (here), that faded fast.

Apologies to all that this is off-topic. My excuse is only to reinforce tha value of the forum to locals who travel elsewhere!

Jing Jung

Jing Jung,

I'm finally coming back to Chiang Mai in January. Only this time it's just me and my Thai driver/friend, doing a road trip all over Thailand. I'm coming back to find that girl and her sister for a two on one blast if I can.

Let me ask you a question, see if this rings a bell? The karaoke place I was in had a glass door entry into the middle of the bar. When you came through the outside door you were inside the entryway, and still outside the bar, but it's all glass so you can see the whole bar on both sides from this entryway? Does this sound like any of the places you've been? If so let me know a name and I'll be back there in january.

Thanks.

Laothati:

Sounds like Ten, but it has been remodeled and there are many such places such as you describe (quite generally).

JJ

Was recently in Changmai.
Unfortunately, I really did not do it quite as well as I might have hoped, but still had a good time. The first places I tried were the Karaokes next to Changmai Plaza hotel. Don't bother. I did, and wouldn't again. Not that i had a bad time, but the looks weren't up to snuff. I really didn't know where else to go at that point., unfortunately. The next night, we told the taxi driver to take us to a lady bar. He yapped something back, and off we go. Next thing I know, we are in some dark alley, and I start mentally putting my things in order, if you know what I mean. I then ask where the hell are we, and he say's "I take you to lady HOUSE." Apparently he thought the bar seen was a bit to unclean for a lad like myself, and decided to take me to an amateur establishment, where the girls work for a week or a night to make some extra baht. There was a lineup of about 15 girls, 6-8 in looks. Not a lick of English spoken. Still, a fun time. The last night was spent at the lady bar--Lisa'sBar, or Leslie's bar. My bud pulled out a girl the looked like Tia Carrerra in her prime. I'd say go to the beer bars myself, but others swear by the Karaokes. I must have been at the worst ones.

Still, all in all, plenty of action in Changmai.

Thanks for the report, ungman. I'm curious on two counts -- first, can you give a bit more on your karaoke experiences? Some description of the experience, perhaps, from a non-Thai speaking perspective? I went past those places for more than a month and never went in, and I've regretted that somewhat, especially since reading Jing Jug's posts. In the one Chiang Mai Karaoke I did go some of the TGs spoke a small bit of Japanese, but no English, and I was decidedly out of place, not having knowledge of the rules and process.

Second, do you have any idea where the driver ended up taking you? Even the general area of town?

I only walked into two karaokes. In one (I think it was called Luna) we were taken into a room to view a lineup. On one day, the manager there spoke flawless English, so the only probelm we had was the big cloud of ugly hanging over the girls. In the other joint, next door to the first, the manager spoke English like I speak Thai (not at all0 and didn't get the lineup concept. He just brought me a girl, and because of the language barrier, it wound up[ being a take it or leave it kind of thing. I took it--or rather, she did. I think 2000 B (expensive) .

I have not the vaguest idea where the driver took me, but I think if you ask for "Lady House" instead of 'Lady Bar" you might find the same kind of joint. It was fun.

I might add that the joiner fee to bring a girl to my hotel (Chang Mai Plaza) was 400 B.

All I know is, there were a lot of hot girls at the beer bars we went to.

Hmm, very different from the place I went to, which was a Karaoke on the other side of the Chiang Mai President from the New Nancy massage place. It's actually a Karaoke that's in the attached hotel bar, so it has a rather different sensibility than the ones near the river, which are self-contained.

As far as quality -- Jing Jung mentions that the prettiest girls are taken out early. What time did you go in? I certainly saw some very attractive women as touts on the outside of the clubs you mention. My apartment brought me right past them every day, and I had a fairly good chance to see them in decent light. (Of course -- that was last year, so could be a whole new lineup!)

Luna and many of the Karaoke joints are as noted disappointing. The place across the street from the President Hotel is called Sinyu. Downstairs is a dance club, of sorts. Upstairs -- 4th or 5th floor -- is a no bra karaoke. The quality of the girls vary, but the place has been around for ages and is decent.

I still say that the best quality is at 10 karaoke. I personally don't waste my time at most of the other palces. At 10, the mamasans (some anyway) can deal with English speakers and will give good service, i.e., same price for all, no bullshit, very trustworthy.

After Ten Karaoke, I would say the next best place to try is Sayuri. The girls in the MP are generally the best in CM and they also have a Karaoke selection.

For those who ahve the patience, the hottest girls -- tons of them -- are at the various discos and dance clubs throughout the city. i can give some info but only limited since I don't like smoke, noise and lots of people. I also have only had limited success in these places.

Joe Zop,

Thanks for your info. I will test that price next time I am in CM. Are there other gogo bars there on the level of " Spotlight " ? My friends there took me to an upstair gogo ( 2 or 3 flights up ) that were mostly locals customers. Don't remember the name of the place, but did not like the setting or the girls as much. How about their Karaoke bars ?? Could it be fun for someone who can't speak thai but could bring my thai friends there to help translate/party ?? I agree that we should discuss this in the CM section. so I am going to post this same message there as well. Please reply in the CM section.

Thanks again for some very specific and useful info.

Tough Love, I suggest you spend a bit of time reading this section, as there's some very good info on Karaoke places, etc. I would presume you'd have a much better time in Karaokes with locals who speak the language -- with my pidgin Thai I found it difficult, as few of the TGs handled English much at all. A friend I have in CM who is fluent in Thai (and more well off than I am) said he enjoyed the Karaokes a great deal when he was on the prowl.

Spotlight is pretty much the best of the gogos in Chiang Mai, as options in that regard are fairly limited. If you're a gogo person, Bangkok, Pattaya, or Phuket are much better bets than Chiang Mai.

I'm curious about the other place you mention, up a couple of flights, as I've a feeling I might have missed it (though it might be the place attached to Sayuri, which I've never ventured into, as I've never made it past the fishbowl, LOL.) Any idea where in the city it's located?

Joe Zop,

Can't tell which part of town that upstairs gogo was. I was being driven around by some locals. I don't think ou have missed anything because I did not find that place to be on par with Spotlight anyway. I will try the K-bar scene next time in CM. I did the K-bar scene in both HK ( very expensive but the girls are in the 9's and 10's ) and Dongguan ( China, near Shenzen, girls are 6's and 7's, but 75% cheaper than HK ) and found it very entertaining if you can communicate with the girls. It's really an ultimate GFE if that's what you are looking for.

Sayuri MP review

I tried sayuri MP yesterday. There were about 20 girls in the fishbowl but the girls come and go very quickly. So if you are looking for the best ones make a quick decision. I think overall they have about 40 girls. I went there about 7pm and i think thats a good time because if you come later it gets crowded. At first the young motherfucker papasan tried to quote me 1900 THB. I told him that my friend came here 2 days ago and only paid 800THB. Than he told me 900THB which was o.k. for me. I took a 25 year old with a great face but the body was average(No.65). First she washed me all over in the bathtub and then we proceed to the bed for some action. the rooms are quite nice and over the bed is a big mirror and you can see the action from above. BBBJ,DATY and hard FS on the menu. She was very clean but had an unshaven pussy (which is o.k. for me.i like them hairy). Overall it was a good experience and i can recommend it to everybody.

But do not go there with tuk tuk unless you want to pay the 500THB comission they get. Even if you stop at the corner and walk about 5 min the fucker wait for you in front of the MP. He thought i did not see him but i did. Rent a motorbike and go on your own. Have fun with these LBFMs.

Good going Kuranyi. I lived in Chiamg Mai and know the managers and staff very well. The actual local price is 700 THB but getting close to that is good. The service you get from the girls is memorable. Place runs like a train station so girls in and out. Tried the rooms with 2-3 girls at times. Let the manager pick the girls and he was right on point. They were all freaks. Makes you want to follow them home.

I discovered there are 3 karaoke bars near Chiang Mai Plaza Hotel that have short time service.I went in all three to see the ladies.There were a few cute ones.Mamasan quote me 2000 for short time to take home in all 3 places.2 shops are exactly in front of the hotel entrace and one more shop is on the left hand side of the hotel entrance.Go early about 7 30 have many girls.Also found out a big new disco called Gigi across the river.Mostly normal girls but has some working girls as well.

sure wish i had found this forum before my first trip to thailand last year. i probably would not have overpaid for the blowjob from the massage therapist at my hotel and might have known that the absolutely beautiful young lady at the go go bar was available for fun (i just thought she was being extremely friendly!)

i am heading back in march and am going to check out chiang mai this trip. can anyone help me with the following?

1. i am looking for a mid priced hotel with a small exercise facility (aerobic equipment and weights or machine), and spa/massage. if it was close enough to walk to the night life as well, it would be perfect.

2. i study martial arts and really enjoy attending the muay thai fights. are there any that are open to the public in chiang mai?

thanks much.

RCA Knight,

Where is the Chaing Mai Plaza Hotel ? did you stay there ? I am looking to book a hotel in Chiang Mai. I will be there from Feb12 on. Like to be close to all the night life and the karaoke bars you mentioned sounded interesting. Are the girls 8+ ? I like tall, fair skinned Chiang Mai girls. I was lucky at Spotlight Go Go when I was there last year.

Please advise.

Thanks

Tough Love,

Chiang Mai Plaza Hotel is south of night bazar. Please check your map. It is a good hotel expect to pay about 2000 up a night. I never stay there. I always stay at Tapae Place Hotel on Tapae Road near night bazar, only 550 a night. Very good room. I also recommend Sayuri Massage at Bumrumgrad Road. Most girls are very good in technics. Only pay 800 bahts per session. If you are a new customer the papasan will try to quote you 1500 or 1800 but just don't ask the price and pay 800 at the counter. The karaoke bars near Chiang Mai Plaza Hotel have a few 7-8 but mostly 5-6, so go early for good stuff. Remember to shop around all 3 stores first. Sayuri has a karaoke too. Have to pay 800 bar fine and set the girl free for only 2 hours. Some girls will not go to bed with you, some will but will ask for about another 2000, so if you go to karaoke in Sayuri be sure to ask the girl if can sleep with her and how much. I took a very cutie out once from here, but she would not have sex with me. Only allow me to hold her. So ask first. I do not recommend Sayuri karaoke. The very cute ones are quite spoiled by rich Japanese customers who sometimes take them out to eat and drink without sex and pay them 3-4 thousand for tip.

Well, I thought I'd check out the massage places in Chiangmai a couple of weeks ago. It was late (around 12:15) when I arrived at Sayuri. The guy at the door said "sorry, we're closed". I don't know what this was about since I had just seen some guys go in moments before I arrived. The place sure didn't look closed, but he wouldn't let me in. I can speak Thai so language wasn't a problem.

Time was running short so I caught a Tuk Tuk to Pandora (I know I know the driver gets a big commission, but at that point I didn't care). Walked in and saw the fish bowl full of nice looking girls. about 20 or so. I took my time picking, and at the same time tried to bargain down from the 1800 baht price. Got down to 1200 and found a petite cutie who goes by the name "Bird" She didn't have a number and wasn't a sideline girl. Fantastic service. Nice bath while she used her tits to wash and massage me. After getting nice and clean she got down to business. A long slow BBBJ. While she was busy I asked if we could do "hok sip kaw" (Thai for 69). She was right into it. while trying all the other possitions she kept teaching me the Thai words for everything we were doing. When I finnished she kept hugging me and wanting to cuddle, even in the elevator. Almost a GFE. If I wasn't leaving the next day I might have tried to get her out of there for a few days.

Service 10
Looks 9

Bobs Uncle

6 October 2003 – Chiang Mai, Thailand

The lady owner of a bar in Chiang Mai tried to pick me up(!). She was probably in her forties, but her body was very slim, shaped and very firm, her English was good, she was smart, she was hot, and she seemed really nuts about me. I think she liked the fact that I could easily lift her off the ground, and I was not playing shy at all. The only thing that kept me from agreeing was that she did not finish work until 3am. I told her she would have to pay me 1000B as a joke. In retrospect I wish I had invited her to come knocking on my hotel door and wake me up. Four of her five kids were around - probably aged 15-23. It would be worth meeting her again.

Instead I went to Pandora(?), a massage/bath place, and enjoyed a 21-year-old, who was nice but I think the chemistry with the old gal would have made for a much more entertaining encounter. Got service at 12:45am, paid 2000 for 1.5 hour, good quality room, nice girl (Goi). I had tried Sayuri, but it was after midnight and the services seemed to be closed (a bar was open).

Thanks for the reports. I'm leaving for Chiang Mai in a week and will have to check out Pandora and look for "Bird". Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated, as it will be my first time to Chiang Mai.

Just got back from Chiang Mai and BKK. As always, had a great fu#$%^%ing time. If you like gogos, go to Spotlight and say "hi" to Auy (#41) for me. She is the prettiest one there, IMHO. Tell her you are friend of "Jason from America" and she will take good care of you (or she will arrange a pretty girl for you). Mamasans (there are two of them there, forgot their names) are nice if you buy them drinks and give them a little tips afterwards (a couple of hundred bahts will typically make them real happy). I checked out the soapies and the karaoke bars there. Nothing nice. There are some private tel#s, but you have to be local to get them to send girls. C.M. is a great city, but compare with BKK, the action is a little thin. But I really like the people and the climate there. Be careful what you eat. I had two diarhereas when I was there. I think it's from the ice cubes (dirty drinking water) in my drinks or from roadside vendors. I would'nt spend more than a few days there if you were there mainly for the mongering.

As RCA Knight and Kuranyi report about the prices at Sayurai ... well, the same is true for Pandora, which IMHO is a much neicer establishment.

You can go for 1 hour for 800 Bt, or the normail 1 1/2 hours for 1,200 Bt. Honestly, unless you find a real stunner, better just take the 1 hour, go the full stretch, and then spend the rest of your bucks going back a second time!

Sideline girls sometimes take a little more (1,000 / 1,500), but not if business is slow.

Enjoy!

Mountain Guy, sorry, just saw your post, which is why I'm so late replying.

There are Muay Thai fights available in a couple of places in CM -- one is in the Old City beer bar area inside the moat, not far from the Montri Hotel, if I remember correctly. The fights I saw there ranged from pro-forma to incredibly vicious, mostly the former. There are also fights in a plaza along Loi Kroh road about midway between the Old City and the Night Market area. I never went to those, however, so can't speak to them, but they were generally more hyped.

As far as exercise facilities/massage, there are a number of places in CM that have them -- and most hotels will have massage of some kind. Check out [url]http://www.chiangmai-online.com/hotels.html[/url] for a chart that gives rates and facilities info, and that is also searchable by area. (It's worth clicking on links to hotels you might be interested, as the actual rates are often different from those on the chart.) I've stayed at the Suriwongse Zenith, which is right across from the Night Market area, but I didn't use their exercise area.

Thanks Joe,

I booked the Suriwongse ($24 for std room) because it seemed close to everything. Decided to skip the train and fly to and from BKK on Thai Air for $104 round trip. The train sounds like an adventure, but the flight is only 70 minutes and time is of the essence.

I'll try to check out the muay thai in Chiang Mai. Thanks so much for the information.

For anybody go to Chiang Mai for short lady hunting trip. Do not take thai Airways. much more expensive. Now there is Asia Air. If you reserve early on the net(www.airasia.com)you can get 500 bahts one way. And Orient Thai is 999 bahts for one way anytime. Buy ticket at airport. Now short hunting trip is much more affordable.

RCA, good point. This is good info for anywhere Air Asia flies, including Phuket.

They're cheap and use the slogan "Now everyone can fly." Maybe they should change it to "Now everyone can monger." :)

You can now fly on Aisa Air to Chiang Mai for less than the cost of a second class train ticket. Air Asia is indeed a very good deal but, be cafeful about your luggagae, they have been known to even weight your carry on in a attemp to raise a few extra baht. So the best thing to do is to travel light.

Sexreview

I was planning to go to Chiang Rai for Songkran but one of my friend came to Thailand and requested me to take him to Chiang Mai for the weekend. So I did reluctantly. But it turned out to be a fun weekend. Just got back to BKK to avoid the big crowd .We stayed at the Pornping Tower hotel. Very nice room for 1200 bahts. The famous bubble disco is on the first floor. The day time I had to take him for sightseeing which I have been to so many times. Really a pain for me to go through these temples again. The first night I took him for a massage at Sayuri and then went to the Gigi disco. but could not get anyone. the second night was very interesting. My friend went to Bubbles and I hanged out at the lobby and the entrance of the disco for a while. Saw 3 girls sitting in the lobby of Pornping tower. I went to pick them up. One girl was very cute,big tits and nice body. And the second one very big tits, very white skin, the Chinese type. face so so but she wore low cut T-shirt and the boobs were so nice. the third one also has big boobs but sitting too far from me to have any conversation. They said they were waiting for a friend to go to gigi disco. And they invited me to go. I said I like to see them afterwards because my friend was in the Bubbles. The cute one gave me her number.

Then I went into Bubbles and could not find any nice babe. my friend had found a so so lady to talk to. I again went out to the lobby. And the Chinese looking one with nice tits saw me and asked me to go pick up a friend with her in her car. So i went with her driving her brother's old VW to find her friend. Went to a small pub but she could not find her friend. She told me her friend owes her 1000 bahts. So she was disappointed and turned back to Porn ping. On the way back I said she was very sexy and nice body and started to touch her. She did not resist and drive on. When we get to the parking she called the other 2 girls on the fone to go to Gigi together. And she asked me to lend her 200 bahts to buy some drinks and I said ok I touched her tits I will buy her drinks. So I gave her. Her friends came and saw me touching her and they did not know whats going on. I told them to come see me after disco and have fun party together and they told me to call at 2 AM.

So I went back to Bubbles again to see whats there. Nothing and my friend and the lady had gone to the room. And he called me sorry to open another room. He will stay with the lady tonight. So at 2 am I called the girls. And they said they will come see me. I opened another room and they came. Only 2. the 3rd one did not come. And I started to touch the Chinese one's tits again. I said I like to touch both of them and will give them 1000 bahts each for gift. they looked at each other and think.I said Lets get naked and hug together. Gave them 1000 each. They took off the clothes and got in bed. Both were very shy. I think they maybe never did this before. Maybe I am the first person to offer them money like this.

I fingered both of them. I actually like the cute one, not the Chinese one. I fingered the cute one very good. And I said can I sex with you. She did not say anything. So I put on a condom and started. The Chinese one turned the other way. I was so tired could not get hard. so I started to jack off on their body. The Chinese one she wanted me to pound her too. But I can not get hard anymore. And I only jacked off and came. We huged together some more. And they said they want to go home sleep. And the Chinese one asked me to help her 1000 bahts more to pay for her something tommorrow. So I did . So all together I gave them 3000. They are very amatures and I think I am the first devilish guy to tempt them with some cash .These 2 girls still have no idea how much they worth. If go to a massage or karaoke for these 2, I think very easy to pay up to 5 or 6 thousand. Both 19 and students and both very nice body.
But i regret I could not come by pounding them. Too tired from taking my friend to all the temples. I called my friend the next morning and went for lunch and then we decided to head back for BBK to avoid the Songkran crowds. Very nice to have two 19 years old babes and hug together. But I am sure these 2 will learn very soon the game and learn how to cash in from the guys.

RCA Knight,

You're probably not the first to rent these girls - why do you think they go to the disco? Also you paid more than enough at 1500 per girl, even for Chiang Mai - admittedly not the cheapest place in Thailand. Five or six thousand would be way too much and would have more to do with the willingness of the customer to overpay than the quality of the girl.

RCA Knight,

Perhaps they were not shy, just amazed. Amazed that someone would throw money at them like that.
And I bet they are still laughing... Getting B3000 from a guy who didn't even fuck them.
Damn, I'm laughing tioo!

RCA,

You wrote: "But I am sure these 2 will learn very soon the game and learn how to cash in from the guys..."

They already know the game.... they played shy, they pretend they don't know what is going on....

Is your turn to learn the game.

juice.

RCA Knight,

Where is this Gigi disco you mentioned? Is this the "Thai-style" one next to Bubbles or??? I 4th what the previous 3 said, but nevertheless, sounds like a nice score!

Chikan

Gigi is across the river. A huge disco. Take a tuk tuk or songtel from night bazaar only 20-30 bahts. This place is mostly normal girls or amatures. Very packed on weekends. Play underground, hip hop, trance, house,all sorts. I have been there 2 times in the past. Did not bring back to hotel anybody but I was not trying too hard.

Everyone has differentt interests, but I went to Chiang Mai for five days during my LOS trip last month and really liked it. I enjoyed the slower pace, lack of pollution, and laid back lifestyle. I did a three day trek, saw the sights, did a little mongering. I agree that the mongering opportunities are better elsewhere, but I still had a great time.

I started with a foot massage at Let's Relax and the cutie flirted with me and asked me to come back for a full massage, so I did the next day and got a BBBJTC (masssage: 500, blowjob: 1,000). This cracked me up as the Lonely Planet guide book recommends this place by name because it is "very professional".

After getting back from my trek, I went to Bubbles and didn't see anyone worth taking out, so I went to Spotlight. They had eight dancers, two were nice and one was model material--#74--small, young, very pretty, perfect body (IMHO). It took me a while to get her attention and she couldn't speak much English, but I wanted her in a big way. She wanted 1,800, so I went for it and paid the 500 bar fine (300 special after midnight). Took a tuk tuk back to my hotel, she wanted to shower alone, asked for and got a very short blowjob, wouldn't do DATY, so I covered up and went for it. She was so unresponsive that I considered checking her pulse, but she was so cute that I eventually got off. She hung out, but we had trouble communicating, so I told her I had to meet someone and we left. Wish I had gone for the less cute, but much friendlier one.

Went to two karaoke bars and nothing was happening, so I headed to a muay thai fight (the fights were a joke--staged, with little contact) in the plaza a couple blocks from the night bazaar. Sat at the open air bar next to the ring and ordered a beer and the waitress (Ping, 25, tall, thin, a 6-7) said "you no friend tonight?". She came back with my beer and sat down, so I offered to buy her a drink. She smiled and came back with a fruit juice and said "drink make me sleepy". I asked her to leave with me and she said she had to work until 11. She asked and got off at 10:30, stopped for something to eat and I asked if she'd like to come to my hotel. She just smiled, so off we went. She never mentioned money and I was afraid of insulting her by asking how much, so I just went with the flow, started slow, kissed awhile, undressed her (no showers), DATY (which she really enjoyed--wet and lots of little noises), and the main event. Afterwards, we stayed in bed, cuddled, and watched television. I left 1,000 on the next to the TV while she was in the bathroom, but it was still there when I got out. Eventually got dressed and walked through part of the night bazaar. I offered to buy her a gift or shirt and she didn't want anything. Later, she said she lived at home with her folks and had to leave. I offered to pay her fare and she let me (50 baht). Kissed her goodnight and that was it. I still can't figure out if she was a pro offering a freebie to a 45 year old, if I was supposed to force some money on her, or if it was actually a date.

Wanted to see her again but was flying back to Bangkok the next morning. I plan to try the beaches next year, but I'd return to Chiang Mai again for a few days. Thanks again to Joe Zop for all your help.

Mountain

That experience happens more than you think. I am not particularly surprised at your experience. I think sometimes, they want to show themselves (and you) that they have dignity and money is not everything.

I had a similar experience 5 years ago in BKK at a restaurant at the Hyatt in Sukhumvit. I managed to get her the next 3 days off. I then had a wonderful time which left me 2500 USD poorer in gifts, proper shows and clothes. Not once did she asked for anything. The sex was gentle and not all that "professional". The only problem was she made me move hotels.

I think you were on a date.

Great to hear you enjoyed yourself, MM, and I agree with ManonsanBoy that your kind of experience does happen at times, and it can be particularly so if the TG is hoping to hook up for longer term.

Sorry to hear the Muay Thai bouts were disappointing -- I suspected that might be the case, as it's been that way in a lot of the touristy places I've been in LOS.

What did the flirter at Let's Relax look like?

Mountain Guy,

"very professional".
For once the LP was right!

"Wish I had gone for the less cute, but much friendlier one."
When will people learn...???

I've had some good results with waitresses myself, the last time in Phuket in January. It seems that women actually want sex too:). She came to my room after work, in the middle of the night.
Be nice to waitresses, don't (over)tip like a firsttimer and see what cums up...

ManonsanBoy,

2500 USD in three days?!
I sure hope... typo?

Freeler

Not a typo. That included my share of the expenses which I guess amounted to around 500 USD, i.e. my share of the restaurants, shows etc etc. I drank some good wines.

But is was amongst the best 3 days of my life. Certainly, they were amongst the most memorable.

Looking back, and recalling all the interactions between us, I have absolutely no regret about the expense.

She spoke good English and there was good communication. I saw BKK in the best possible way. She gave me a number to call which I did 7 days later and it was a non operative.

Sometimes, it is not just the money which was what I was trying to say..........

At that kind of spending for gifts, clothes, shows, etc. she'd certainly darn well better not have been asking for anything! But, hey, if you got the scene you wanted, and you don't regret the money, so it goes. There are a lot of different levels of experience and expense possible, even though we mostly talk about the most normative ones here.

Joe,

The flirty MG at Let's Relax was Suenon. During the foot massage, she kept asking if I was sure I didn't want full body massage, so I figured I might get offered an extra. She was so, so--probably 30, dark complexion, fuller figure than most thai women, cute face, but crooked teeth. She has small and firm tits (she lifted her top and let me play with them during the blowjob) and gave great service. She only offered a hand or blow job, so I don't know if they offer full service there or not.

Freeler,

I'm still happy I took the beauty, even with her starfish performance. I haven't been naked with anything that perfect since I was a teenager!

I am travelling to Thailand in December for the first time and would like to find out what hotel to stay at in Chian Mai fo rabout 4 -5 days. I would like somewhere close to the action that is not more than 1500 baht per night.

Any other info such as places ot go to catch some action would be appreciated.

Thank you

snow52

Snow,

I stayed at the Suriwongse Hotel, which is close to the Night Bazaar and a nice walk or short tuk tuk ride to the nightlife (or as Lonely Planet calls it, "Prurient Nightlife". It was 960B for a standard room with breakfast and I was pleased. It is lady friendly--the doorman smiled as he opened the door when I brought the lovely ladies back for fun.

If this is your first trip to Thailand and you are truly interested in "action", you should spend part of your trip in Bangkok or other areas where there is much more mongering activity than Chiang Mai.

As for "other places to go", read the previous posts or PM me with what it is you are looking for. I went on a several day trek (elephant riding/hiking/hill tribes) while I was there and enjoyed it. Others might find it boring and wasting valuable mongering time.

Jing Jung,

I am hoping you can give us an update on the scene in Chiang Mai, since you have been living there so long. Anything new going on? Also, I tried in vain to find 10 karaoke. Can you give a few more details as to it's location?

Thanks

In between reading the garbage from the usual suspects, Skinless is having a nice time here in Chiang Mai, now that the garbage are gone to write their poetry (sic) elsewhere. I am staying at Sumit Hotel near Thapae gate (250 b with fan). This is the best and most expensive place I have stayed in so far. I am spending today getting massages (100 bt an hour at the temple around the corner and more expensive at the disabled joint which is on the same street as Sumit.

Later on, I hope to post some photos of some of the animals I have shared rooms with: lixards and frogs mostly. Yesterday, I ate at an open air restaurant near Sumit. Soo too did several sparrows who tucked in when the waitress was off doing soemthing else.

I also spent a few hours last night talking tosome Indonesian hookers here, just outside Sumit. Nice looking. But I am still low on batteries. That should change very soon.

Chiang Mai Dosabled Center: 133/1 Rajapakinai Rd, same road as Sumit Hotel. I got agood straight massage from Noi, 150 bt an hour. She is almost bond as a result of an accident in which she lost her husband and child. Worth supporting IMHO, just to show how lucky weare and how much shit they have to absorb.

Yes, let's have a photo collage of all your nonpaying roommates. I think that's be great. I have a few pics of Pattaya and Bangkok rats, but can never get them to stand still long enough, or to say cheese.

That's an interesting massage place. They train people with disabilities for a sustaining career. That's a worthy endevour, and I've never heard of such things in the massage field before. I did see an article about a guy who repaired electronics in the Bangkok paper.

Jaimito Cartero,

I believe that in Malaysia you must be blind to become a masseuse.
This has more to do with the misconception that blind people don't fuck, hj and bj than with training 'people with disabilities for a sustaining career'.

Skinless - good tip for the disabled massage center. Good to hear that your pecker is getting better.....looking forward to more pic's! (of the chicks...not the rodents!) :)

Freeler,

I've been to Kuala Lumpur and didn't see any blind masseuses in my short travels there.

A quick question, I'm coming to Thailand in two weeks and am really burnt out on Pattaya. Are there enough interesting things to do in Chiang Mai, and girls that want to ride chang?

Jaimito Cartero,

I've been to ChiangMai for very short stays only. Hence I'm not qualified to give out expert and in depth information, but yes, there is a lot to do in and around CM - it's just not my kind of town.
But CM is an easy town to move around in: good public transport and an easy lay out.
You can get there by plane or rail from BKK or by bus from BKK, Pattaya and many Eastern and NorthEastern cities.

JC, there is plenty to do both in and around CM. As has been noted elsewhere, the number and overall level of ladies there is not the same as Bangkok or Pattaya, but there is an easily available night scene, multiple massage parlors, etc.

Disabled Center, as prviously posted. Worth supporting. The lady in the middle gave the massage ( no sex and don't ask). The lady on the left has a foot instead of a hand. She does laundry. The dude does internet.

There is some freelance action around this famous landmark.

Domino
WARNING
This is a famous spot for 'Chicks with Dicks'-
Always test handsize before engaging!
Wayne

W_king,

Thank you for your advice. Seems every photo posted now people call lady boy. I only posted a photo of a gate! If you ever go to Nong Khai en route to Laos, the top hotel is owned by a very glamorous lady boy. Her photo is all over the tourist promo literature for the city and the TAT will inform you of her mixed gender. I give all my employees a good work over. To me, buying a woman is just like buying a horse. I check the teeth, the gums, the legs, between the ass cheeks and of course, whether the mare is a mare or not. So far,no problems, touch woodener.

Peace & Pizzas.

There is a girl in Chiang Mai that works at "Johns Place" bar named Nue (aka Nedchita). She is cute and has a sort of Chinese-Thai look. Does anybody have any info about her? Does she go with customers? Is she crazy in the head?

Well, I arrived in Chiang Mai last night with no problem. I took my first domestic Air Asia trip, which went pretty smooth. I only got my tickets 2 weeks ago, but still only paid 2460 baht RT. I think you can just about cut that in half if you book further out.

If you ever flown Southwest Airlines, this is pretty similar, but no free anything. The flight attendants are quite nice though, and even the refreshments are only 30 baht. The seating is slightly tight, but I have yet to be on a full flight, so have always had an empty seat beside me.

I went to Walking Street today (Tha Phae) and checked out some of the wares for sale. I saw the vendors start to pack real quick (about 6pm), and thought they knew something I didn't. A quick look up showed dark clouds moving in.

I kept going and soon felt a big old raindrop smash into my head and thought I should look for cover. Another 20 meters and it looked like the scene from Forest Gump when he was in the rice paddies. I went into some sort of Thai Karoke bar to get out of it. I don't think it has comfort girls, and it was still early.

I think I'll catch the red baht-bus thingy back to my hotel, and then later check out some of the beer bar or gogos mentioned here before.

After leaving Walking Street, I went and got an hour massage by the Thae Pae gate (100 baht), Thai massage, 1 hour. I had no idea where Spotlight was, so got a Song Tao and asked how much to take me. I thought I got a good deal at 10 baht. He drove about 150 meters and stopped. Guess I learned something new. :)

Went into Spotlight and thought the quality of girls was good. Seemed to be about 25 or so total girls working in the bar (12 dancers?). I'd say most were in the 5-8.5 range. I saw the #41 that someone mentioned, looked nice, but the name she gave seemed to be different than what was posted.

Bought a few lady drinks, but nothing clicked too much. Of the three girls I asked, they all seemed to be non-"smokers". Hmmmm. Finally found one that was agreeable, but I just didn't connect with her. Took off as they were closing.

The next night after booking my tour for today, I went to check out some beer bars that I had seen in the area of the Mall. (Chiang Mai mall?). I walked back, but noticed that most of the women seemed to have adams apples and manly voices. Instant u-turn.

Next to the beer bars was a gogo called Foxy Lady. A small club, but I decided to check it out. Reasonable drinks, 70 baht lady drinks, 400 baht barfine. Probably only 12 girls working. Saw some very nice looking ones already with customers, but nothing out of the ordinary otherwise.

Finally I saw one of the dancers go up and she was really grooving. She looked quite cute, and I decided, what the hell. I invited her over for a ladydrink. She was friendly, but not overly so. I wasn't sure I was going to take her at this point. She went up to dance, and I talked to another girl (with chinese tattoos), who looked older, but looked nicer. She told me she was "blushing", which I finally figured out was menstruating. She said the other girl was very good, so I said what the hell.

Ern wanted 1500 st, which wasn't going to happen. I offered 1000, and she was set. She had a motorscooter, and off we went the couple of blocks to my hotel (Royal Lanna). She wasn't a starfish, but she seemed a bit shy. (They're all shy, I know.)

She loosened up with some moderate dfk, and seemed to thoroughly enjoy DATY. No hurry on anything. I then asked her to smoke, and she of course said, 'I no smoke'. Ooops. Guess what I had forgotten to ask. We move to the main action, and it goes pretty well. She's a bit camera shy naked, but loves to pose when clothed.

Attitude 6, body 7.5, skill 5. I don't know that I would repeat, but everything was basically fine. I'll post the pics when I get back to the states in a few days.

I took the full day Elephant camp, rafting, ox cart tour today. I was a bit dubious that I wouldn't do the elephant permanent harm, but the booking agent said no problem.

Even though I had been up with Ern until 3am or so, I got up at 7am and got ready for the tour. I'm sure most of you Chiang Mai veterans have done it before. 800 baht from 8:30am-4:00pm.

The elephant riding was the most fun, about an hour or so. I really thought either I or the elephant were going to fall down/off. It worked out fine though, and was a bit of a hoot in reality. I guess I'm easily amused.

Expect to spend 100-400 baht additional in bananas, sugar cane, photos of you and your noble steed ("You hear that Shrek, he called me a noble steed"!), plus tips to drivers, etc.

You get a decent buffet lunch, and after the lunch, it's pretty much taking you to the Elephant dung paper maker, Orchid/Butterfly farm which is just trying to sell you stuff. (To be honest, most of the tour is about selling you stuff, but you get a lot more value out of the Elephant, rafting and ox cart parts.)

It was interesting to see locals wading into the river to sell you hats and trinkets. Even lowering prices when you're about to float away. On the oxcart trip, one little 5 year old girl chased after a cart in front of me for about 200 meters, trying to get them to buy something. They finally bought a couple of bracelets. That kid is a born salesman!

Even though it's a bit hokey, and we can talk about chaining up Elephants and other cruel things, it was worthwhile in my view. I think you can just ride the elephants if you want. I was quoted 500 baht an hour, so that might be another option.

Did they close down all the brothels and teahouses in Chiang Mai? Last time I was there they were all closed down, is this still the case? Also, has anyone noticed whether sanuk is still available in Mae Sai?

Thanks

I thought I'd post Erns pic here, since it will only really interest people going to Chiang Mai.

Very nice, JC. Dig those pants!

Jimmy,

Thanks for posting the sweeties photo. Post more if you got them, pretty please. I hope to hit Chiang Mai early next year. Finger crossed and my mortgage refinance goes okay.

Tatoosh

Here's one more of Ern in the room, with bra on. She was okay, as I posted before. Some stretch marks, small breasts.

Really cute in her leather pants, though.

Here was one that I rode hard for an hour! Probably not most peoples type, but my breath was taken away. Didn't ask for money, but did want to eat. Sounds like a cheap date.

LAMFAAOTF.

You got me with that one.

I was at work when I opened it and I burst out laughing, people were lookig at me like

I had grown two heads.

Man it was funny.

Hey, I gave him (yes, him), a couple of bunches of big bananas, and some sugar cane too. He seemed a bit pissed that I didn't buy him more, but hey, don't want to spoil it for everyone who comes after me. Overpaying and such can get them quoting you too much, and will get the elephants only wanting 3000 baht, ST.

Jaimito Cartero,

Belive me or not but we were not only at the same elefant camp - we were there the same day! I remember the man on the photo with a group from Switzerland, I guess. Me and my friend ware white hats and ride the same elefant in the end of the line.

The world is small. The owner mr. Udomsak meet us at the Royal Princess Hotel in the morning and took us back in the afternoon. He is a friend to my friends sekretary. (Sorry for bad english).

We had two incredible days and nights in Chang Mai. Unfortenally we took the boring nighttrain which was a waste of time. We didn´t sleep an hour. My friend insist because he wanted to take some photos in the morning, but it wasn´t wearth it. We saw more beatiful nature later up in the north.

I was horny after a night without a lady and a ok 35 yo massagelady asked me to come in. I went in and my friend went to hotel to get some sleep. She wanted 300B and asked later I wanted two ladies for 500. Said ok. You shall never die curios. Later again she wanted 500B extra for a HJ and of course I said no. But as the situation was I offer her to fuck me for that money and she agreed at once. The other lady went out and coming back with condoms and the show started. She was absolutely not a pro, but she liked it and even me.

After a little sleep even for me, we hired a taxi to show us whats going on in the city. We checked Pandora, Ping Payong (?) and Sayuri. The time was only 2 pm and we went in to Sayuri. After 15 minitues it was only 5 girls there and about 8 customers. My friend choiced a nice girl and I have to wait for next cutie. This was my first soupie and it was ok, but not more. A little bit too much mechanic for me. 2000B.

Then we took it easy and have some dinner before we went to Spotlight, thanks WSG. 12- 15 girls and some of real good onces. My friend went away with one girl after two beers. The girl I choiced didn´t want to go to the same hotelroom (we shared room!!!) so we took in to a SThotel for 200B. She wanted 1000B and I said ok even if I know it´s an overprice. She was goodlooking but the hour a little mechanic even this time.

When I come back to the hotelroom was My friends lady still there. Asked him to move her over - but he was in love! What a buddy. But wait until the next night.

After the elefanttrekking and drafting we had some sleep and I went out to change battery to my watch. We had a late bad dinner at a pizzahouse. Took a walk and talked to a mamasan at a karakoebar. The girls should have 2000B only for go dancing or restaurant etc., but not go to hotels. It was very cute girls but we just thanks for the coffe and went to Spotlight a GoGo again. My friend was not in the mood and went back early while I was looking at two lovely ladies and wondering who I would pick up. Both of them feeled that I was interested and when one of them danced, the other pointed at her friend like she would asked me if I wanted her. Now I made a good mistake. I answered pointing and her And the other as wanted to say that I wanted ONE of them. Both ladies was screaming of happines and came to me and said: "Thank you, that you want both of us":-).

What to do, it was only to play the game and they was very funny and happy, so why not me. Their name is Nee and Tik and are sisters, 20 and 26 yo. Don´t remember their numbers. They told me early that their mother should come to town at 3 am. I paid barfine 200 each and 6 tequila and some beers for me.

We went out and they asked me if I could drive a motorcar. In Changmai- no problems so the sweeties sat up behind me and away we went.

No problems for them to go to the same hotelroom as my friend was sleeping in. He actually was not sleeping, he was watching news on TV. But said is said and the clothes fall into the floor and they started to give me a hell of a BJ. My friend is now really horny and tries to get a lady in his bed - but the sisters said no! They said they didn´t know him so much that they know me. Aren´t they too cute.

I must admit it was not a perfect siuation, but I don´t think I have laughed so much when boomsin in my hole life. The sisters laughed a lot too in the beginning but then they got focusised and gave me a jearney I never forget. It was much hussle with chanching condoms under the TV- news so I was most concentrated on one of them but the other assist in a very good way with dirty talk, hands and lips. Not at all shy for my friend who of course watching the act.

When the show was over I just paid 500B to the one I never fucked and when she understood that she wanted to take off the clothes and continue. But then I had not power left and problems with focusing. They accept and I followed them to teir motorbike.

Took a photo of them on their motorbike when they left. I forgot to use my my brand new Pentax Optio S4i and not only that, I delete of mistake three quarter of the picture from the first 8- 9 days of 14 in BKK, CM and Pattaya.

It was only 1.30 am and I wanted a beer to calm down a little before I go up and chat with my friend. Much happens in the bar I visit, but I came out before they locked me in. On the way back to the hotel I met a lady 26yo who begged me take her with me. I said no and declare the whole situation with the sisters and my friend in the room, but she insist. I told her that she could follow if she would be quiet and a good girl who gave me a BJ until I was sleeping. She must have been real hungry. She was not beatiful at all. I guess face 5, and the same for body but a attitude closer 9. She followed the ugly man to his room and stayed there all night. She was keeping on in hours and went away in the morning while my friend was showering, very greatful with 500B in her hand.

Yes gentlemen, this was only two nights of the twelve - in lovely Chang Mai. I will go back, for sure. But the nights in Pattaya wasn´t bad them eather. If I have tim I will type down a little more. The problem is that I only wright down what happened in the beginning and after that I needed the time for relaxing, sleeping and eating. This was only my second trip to this beatiful country. I came back this morning and I´m going back in august for 4 weeks.

Have a nice weekend.

i’ve just returned from spending five days in chaing mai. it was the first time i’ve been up north, and i highly recommend it for anyone looking to escape the touts and just enjoy the warmth and hospitality of the thai people in an urban setting. chaing mai is the second largest city in thailand, about 170, 000 people. other advantages include lower prices and much cooler nighttime temperatures than bangkok.

i didn’t make this trek alone, i’ll call my traveling companion issanbeauty. she is one of those girls that has ‘the look’, the type that makes your knees buckle slightly when you see her for the first time. issanbeauty is a 21 year old from chaiyaphum. she quit as a university student as soon as she was old enough to support her family, despite being in the top third of her class. as the primary bread winner, she was constantly checking condoms for leakage, and claimed to have two break on her. “i don’t care if i die, ” she told me, “i care that no one will take care of my family.”

many thai girls are uncomfortable about displaying emotions in public, but not issanbeauty. this girl really has a lot of self-confidence. while waiting in the boarding area at bangkok airport, she locks arms at the elbow, pinches my cheek, kisses me , and rubs my belly. “my pom pui man”, she calls me.

about 70% of the travelers are farangs, there are one or two other thai-farang couples, but not with nearly a 30 year age difference. we may blend in on the lower sukhumvit, but not in this crowd. carrying on like a couple giddy newlyweds, we draw lots of attention. no one looks shocked or appalled, just curious.

after the one hour flight, we check in the chaing mai gate hotel, a three star property in the southern part of the city, just south of the moat that surrounds the inner city. not the best proximity for p4p, action, but that’s not an issue. at the tour desk, we register for the elephant safari, at 900 thb/person, for the following day. in the evening, we tuk tuk to the night market, where a collection of restaurants encircle an outdoor dining area, much like at phuket patong. the tiger prawns are very tasty. issanbeauty suggests i take her to visit her hometown of chiyaphum, a mid-sized town near khon kaen, instead of later going down to pattaya alone. an intriguing idea, but i didn’t come here to devote myself to one woman. “is no good for me, ” i tell her. “a bar girl has very ‘cold heart’. i’ll fall in love with you, but to you, i’m just your atm.” she gives me a most puzzled look , i don’t think she’s heard this one before. then, she mutters what seems to be one of her favorite phrases: “fuck off, bob.”

in the morning, we’re picked-up by the tour bus at 8:30. we collect three other couples along the way: a 30ish swedish couple, a 30ish european couple, and a 60ish egyptian couple living in canada, besides ourselves: a fifty year old american and 21 year old thai.

after introductions, the guide begins her presentation. “chaing mai is called the ‘rose of the north’ and produces the most beautiful women in thailand. then, turning to me, she says, “i see not everyone here agrees with that.”

a one hour drive along highways 107 and 1069 brings us to the mae sa elephant centre. issanbeauty is really in her element here . i purchase a bunch of bananas and sugar cane for 20 baht, hoping to capture a picture of her feeding them. she screams as one reaches out with it’s trunk and grabs the food before either of us is ready. more elephants are frolicking in the river. one is submerged up to the neck, and appears to be doing a breast stroke. as the elephants emerge from the river, some spray with their trunks, as if it’s the songkran festival. issanbeauty quickly back-peddles to avoid getting wet, then yells ‘oweeee’ as she nearly trips over a large pile of dung.

we take a seat in the bleachers for the one-hour elephant show. the giant mammals stand up on their back feet, then on their right feet, on their left feet, and finally, on their front feet. one large elephant picks up a soccer ball and boots it over the concession hut. another tosses a basketball at a makeshift hoop. the ball hits the backboard and bounces off the rim. gee, i could have made that shot.

the highlight of the day is the one-hour elephant ride. issanbeauty and i climb into the cockpit, a small wooden bench perched atop several layers of blankets, and strapped around the animal's mid-section. a rope is tied across to hold us in. our driver, the elephant trainer, sits atop the animal's head with his ‘hook’, used to control the elephant, much like the horse jockey’s whip. as the elephant starts to move, we grab onto the metal frame of our seats, initially feeling very insecure.

our elephant wades up-river and crosses into a forest. issanbeauty spots a familiar variety of tree and instructs the trainer to navigate the animal so we can pick the branches, which contain small, purple berries that are quite bitter, but edible. issanbeauty sings thai songs to entertain us.

our caravan proceeds up and down hills, and across several large, muddy pools of water. the animal immediately before us, evidently quite a mischievous rascal, manages to ‘throw’ his trainer into one of the pools of water. the trainer climbs back aboard, soaking wet, embarrassed, and steaming angry , and whacks the ill-behaved beast several times with the hook. ouch!

back at the center, the next leg of the tour is the bamboo rafting. as fate would have it, we’re assigned to share a raft with the swedish couple. this prompts issanbeauty into one of her ‘i no like my dark skin’ raps. come on sweetheart, give us a break .

we float downstream for 40 minutes, but it’s too hot to enjoy. we dock and board an ox cart for a 20-minute ride to a resort where we’re to be provided with a thai-style buffet lunch. the ride was not very enjoyable, especially on the backside .

during lunch, i ask issanbeauty if her name really means ‘watermelon’, as our guide had claimed. i take a large piece of the watery fruit, pick out the seeds, and allow it to slowly dissolve in my mouth. “mmmmmm”, i moan, while making goo goo eyes at her .she leans over and punches me in the arm while the other couples, watching us, drop their jaws .

the afternoon’s activities include a visit to a factory where paper is manufactured from elephant dung, and a visit to a very lovely orchid farm.

in the evening, we go back to the night market for dinner. issanbeauty is very interested in my ancestry, so i tell her i’m one-quarter irish, scottish, german, and norwegian. “i fuck the world!, ” she boasts.

friday morning, i rent a suzuki cariban 4wd for a drive up the nearby mountain to wat prathat doi suthep, one of northern thailands top attractions. it takes about an hour to ascend the mountain road to the temple, more than a thousand meters above the city. after parking, i purchase 35 baht cable car tickets because issanbeauty refused to attempt the 300 step staircase. “lazy girl”, i complain.

the ‘golden temple’ is quite impressive, with magnificent views of the city and countryside. at the center, is a copper stupa flanked by huge ornamental umbrellas. issanbeauty shows me how to light candles and burn incense as an offering, and make a wish to the buddha. inside, a monk ties a string around my wrist for good-luck, and gives me another string to tie on issanbeauty.

we enjoy some mango and pineapple in the parking lot, then continue to ascend the mountain. the next stop is phuping palace, the winter residence of the royal family. the grounds are very nice, but hardly approaching the overindulgence of the palace at versailles. very modest by standards of monarchy, i’d say. it’s no wonder the thais love their king.

we sit for awhile on a bench in the rose garden. “what you wish for from buddha?” she asks me. i tell her, “i wished that you would love me.” “no love thai man. no love falang, ” she states very emphatically, “only room in my heart for my family. i only want your money.” isn’t such honesty refreshing?

it’s getting late into the afternoon, i want to continue up the mountain to the hmong hilltribe village, but issanbeauty is much less enthusiastic. “let’s go have a look, ” i tell her.

the road deteriorates significantly to the village, which resembles something from another century. the street is lined with small shops selling handicrafts, while opium poppies grow on the hillside. i find some fascinating stuff in the shops while issanbeauty, who complains about a headache and wants to leave, returns to the car.

key chains made from a tiger’s tooth, elephant paperweights made of ivory, what great christmas gifts, and for $4 or $5, with some bargaining. by the time i’m finished shopping, issanbeauty is really pissed off. she won’t speak to me during the 90 minute drive down the mountain. issanbeauty is giving me the silent treatment, but she finally opens her mouth when i make a wrong turn back to the hotel.

in our room, i reach into my bag and pull out a bottle of aleve. “take these, ” i tell her. a half hour later, her disposition is radically different. “you have very good medicine, ” she tells me, and starts rubbing my crotch. “you horny?” she asks.

taking advantage of her mood, i unbuckle my belt and drop my pants, and she gives me the full treatment. i barely have enough energy left to stagger into the bathroom and cleanup afterward.

for dinner, she orders issan food from the hotel, but i can’t taste it. sort of like putting burning embers in my mouth.

i awake saturday morning and practice my usual routine: lean up against issanbeauty’s magnificent naked body. i run my hand down her back and gently squeeze her tight butt, like mr. whipple testing the charmain. then, i reach around and rub her pussy. since i’d left my passport as a deposit on the car, i wasn’t able to cash traveler’s checks and hense, hadn’t paid issanbeauty for the previous day. “no touch my ass. no touch my pussy, ” she says, “you no pay. go get my money and i fuck you.”

i pull plastic from my wallet and explain that i don’t need money, i can have anything i want just by signing for it. “no want credit cards. no want atm. just want money. go get my money, ” she commands. i don’t believe she’s really serious, and think if i hang in there, she’ll cave in. and she does.

this time, however, i hump, hump, hump but nothing comes. she gets the body lotion and gives me a nice hj, but i’m still dry. “why you no cum?” she asks. i explain that i’m old, and have been doing one, two, and three shots per day for two weeks. i need a day to refill the tank.

today, i wish to visit the zoo, and stop at an atm along the way. the big buzz at the chaing mai zoo are the panda bears, who just arrived in october. we need a special ticket, and have to stand in line, but they’re very cute.

with one picture left in the camera, we head for the tiger habitat. a tiger is sleeping in the grass, too far away to capture on film. “meow. meow.” issanbeauty gives her big cat impersonation. the tiger just raises it’s head and looks around, as if to say: wtf?

back at the hotel, i put on a nice thai silk shirt. “why you make handsome?” issanbeauty asks. i explain that we’re going to the most popular night club in town, and i want to dress appropriately. “besides, ” i add, “if i make handsome, maybe you’ll fuck me for free?”

“never!” she exclaims, and storms off into the bathroom. meanwhile, i’m rofl.

we drive to the riverside bar and restaurant, on the east bank of the ping river, and sit at a candle lit table on the terrace, overlooking the river. issanbeauty is quite impressed.

“i sorry, darling. i cannot make good every day. is not me. sometimes i bad girl, stupid girl. i make falang so angry, not popular girl.” then, she points her nose in the air and shakes her head, “i don’t care. i don’t care. but you only smile. what you like about me? what you not like? i want to know.”

i’m trying hard to contain myself from laughing hysterically, this girl really knocks me out. i really don’t mind her antics, i find them quite amusing . i like a girl with attitude, i’ve found them to be better in the sack. issanbeauty is no exception, she’s given me some of the hottest sex i’ve ever had , especially when she times it so we cum together.

i remember our first encounter. she’s so pretty , i was wondering if she would turn out to be a starfish. then, she sits on the bed and says: “i like suck balls. you like?” so much for the starfish theory… after some invigorating oral stimulation, she grinds my tool. i sit up, to get my lips on the hard nipples protruding from her nice, perky tits. her tight pussy has transformed me into a raging, runaway locomotive so i lunge forward, bringing my 250 lb frame down upon this delicate flower. we’ve run out of real estate on the king size bed, her head drops off the edge. quickly, i slide my palm under the base of her skull so she won’t strain her neck, while not missing a beat with my thrusts. after she pops my cork, all i can think is: wow, is this girl hot.

answering her question honestly, i say: “i don’t like it when you bite. it hurts. but i like your tight pussy.” she starts singing thai songs until our food arrives.

after eating, we sit stage side and cycle through three bands. by closing time, i’ve consumed a couple mai tais, and 6 or 7 irish coffees. gotta give the irish credit, they’ll put whisky in anything. the rest of the evening is very blurrey .

i awake sunday, our last full day in chaing mai, and return the car after . since we’re both wasted, we re-retire until afternoon. then, i ask issanbeauty whay she would like to do, and she wants to visit wat pra singh in the city center.

we tuk tuk there, and issanbeauty and i lit candles and burn incense. in one corner of the compound, a basketball court is set up. i’m amazed. do the monks play basketball? how very cool .

we enter the viharn laikam, and i study the interior murals while issanbeauty prays. exiting the structure, i notice my nike tennis shoes are gone. issanbeauty says the first people to leave were a tall farang with a moustache, with a korean man and thai woman. she says they were just standing in the temple, and not worshiping. we wait until everyone leaves, and find an unmatched pair of shoes on the steps, a raggedy old pair of new balance tennis shoes, size us10.5. the glass is half full, at least the guy left his old pair behind. i’d hate to walk barefoot. hope this guy won’t return in his next life as one of those elephants that get whacked with the hook everyday.

we walk back to the hotel. about half way, my toes, jammed into the corners of these mangy ill-fitting shoes, begin to hurt, and i start waddling like a penguin. i tell issanbeauty i must get new shoes asap and we head for a large shopping center in the northwest corner of town.

one store has a large supply of tennis shoes, but no nike’s larger than us10.5. i ask the clerk if he has any shoes in the store size us12, and he produces a pair of hiking boots. my feet are very happy to have shoes that fit.

we stop at a restaurant on the second floor for a few beers. “i like bobby, my pom pui man, ” she tells me. “you like my money, ” i respond. “yes, ” she says, and we both toast our glasses . “first time, second time, just money, ” she says, “third time, fourth time i go with you, i like bobby.”

“you mean i don’t have to pay you today?” i inquire.

“fuck off, bobby” she answers, “i like you, i love you, then you have to pay more.”

back at the hotel, i give her the last installment. when we first met, she had quoted a price for long time that i said was too high, and she came down 500. i’ve been so impressed with her however, i’ve been paying her the higher amount anyway, plus an additional 200. every day, for the past 6 days. for this, she agreed to deliver two shots per day.

“here, i’ll trust you and pay in advance, ” isaid. “this covers tonight and tomorrow morning.”

“you want sex in the morning, you have to pay for short time.” she says.

“wait a moment, ” i counter, “long time covers evening and morning ”.

“20th, 21st, you fuck me three times, ” she says.

“i don’t remember that, ” i reply, “do you want to take the bus back to bangkok tomorrow?”

“i take bus, i don’t care, ” she says, as she rolls over to her side of the bed and falls asleep.

suddenly, i have no desire to have sex with her again, either tonight or tomorrow morning, even though i’ve already paid. i won’t ask for the money back, but i could recover most of it with a refund on her return plane ticket. it would give her something to think about on the eleven-hour bus ride. moreover, i’d just exchanged money at the shopping center, and when pulling travelers checks, exposed some $100 bills i kept for emergency. can i trust her in her current state, not to steal my money while i sleep? i look around the room, and her bag is packed. i decide there’s only one thing to do, it’s time to kick her to the curb. it’s 1:00 am and i still might be able to get a girl for the night. i’m not worried about her finding a place to stay, with the money i’ve given her she can easily afford to stay at any of the best hotels in town.

i get up, and tap her gently on the leg. “i’m going out, you’re free to leave now.” “where you go?” she asks. “you don’t care, ” i reply, “come on, i want you out. now.”

she peers up at me with her brown eyes, like a puppy dog, unbelieving. i make the hitchhiking motion with my hand towards the door. “come on. out. now. pronto.”

finally, she slowly gets up, goes into the bathroom to use the toilet, comes out and brushes her hair and fixes her makeup in the mirror. i stand there waiting, relieved she’s not going to make a scene. “and you’re right. you’re a stupid girl”, not being able to resist throwing an insult at her.

“what stupid girl?” she says sadly, “sorry you like me no more. sorry to miss you, ” and she extends her arm offering a handshake. i accept her offer and shake her hand, then open the door and tell her “good night, ” and she leaves.

what a terrible day, first i lose my shoes, now i lose my girl. it seems all the great times we’ve had the past several days have been erased. i won’t be able to enjoy all the pictures i took, because of her greed. but it’s my fault for giving her the money in advance. i decide it’s too late to go out, and start flipping the tv channels because i know i won’t be able to sleep. i have no regrets, but still feel positively awful . suddenly, i realize just how much i really like this girl. it’s not sex. her classy exit just makes it more difficult.

at 1:30, the phone rings. i recognize the desk clerk’s voice: “sorry. sorry. sorry.” he says, and hangs up. what’s this, did he dial incorrectly, or maybe she’s still on the premises. since i can’t sleep, i decide to go out for a walk.

as i get off the elevator, two elderly thai men smile at me. “she worry, ” one of them says. i see issanbeauty sitting in the lobby, crying . i take the seat next to her and say “i won’t stand to be treated like that. understand?”

“i sorry. i sorry, ” she says, with tears streaming down both cheeks. i invite her back upstairs, and she accepts.

after she showers, i suggest we get some sleep, but she wants to talk. “from now, i only good girl for you, no more bad girl, no more stupid girl. you good man, good heart. thank you, for bring me to chaing mai, give me money to take care me and my family.”

“i’m not doing anything noble, ” i assure her, “i’m just an old man having a fling with a young girl. i should feel ashamed.”

“you not old, ” she tells me, “i have many customers older than you.” i ask her if she’s happy working in the bar, and why doesn’t she find a nice thai man and settle down. she says she is happy, and wants to start her own business some day, a restaurant or internet shop.

finally, it’s time for the ‘make-up’ sex, and it’s sooooo gooooood .at 3:30, i request a wake-up call.

i awake before the call, and tell issanbeauty i’m going to the internet café across the street to check my email. i’m not going to bang her this morning, i don’t want to risk a controversy.

at the airport, she’s her usual jovial self again: locking arms, pinching my cheek, kissing me, and rubbing my belly. i fell very happy, too.

arriving back in bangkok, i offer to drop her at home, but she insists on accompanying me to the eastern bus terminal. normally, i take a taxi to pattaya, but i’ve overspent my budget.

when we get there, the bus is ready to leave. i give her 100 for taxi fare, take my seat on the bus, and wave , and blow her a kiss. as the bus is pulling away, she reciprocates both. thank you issanbeauty, for making my trip to chaing mai such a memorable experience. i’ll never forget you. every time i have watermelon, i’ll think of you.

If any of you mongers are going to Chang Mai it´s a must to visit Star Six. Sorry to say, my friend and I heard it too late on the same day we had to fly back to BKK. We heard it from a boss in a factory who makes rings with jewelleries and stones and he always use take his customers there.

Please report after your visit. What I think it´s a some sort of a GoGo with lots of ladies. Maybe just outside the center of CM.

Rhino Tusk,

Lovely story about you and Isaan Beauty. Sexy, sweet and human. I really enjoyed reading it. Reminds me of the week I spent in Pattaya last January with MySweetie. One of the best weeks of my life.

Thanks for sharing.

Carabu

I agree, great stuff, Rhino Tusk!

BTW -- and this is for any mongers who take the same elephant farm tour -- the trick with the ox cart is to sit up front and drive. It's a hundred times more comfortable than sitting on the axle in back, and if you ask they'll generally let you drive the thing. It's well worth a small tip to save your fanny some grief.

Rhino Tusk,

Great stuff! I had my left arm on my chin and my right arm on the mouse scrolling along. Thanks for sharing the story. :)

I'm new to this forum but I'm a senior member of a Dutch forum.
A few weeks ago I picked up a very nice girl in Chiang Mai. I forgot her real name but her nick name is Toktok. Very pretty girl, 9 out of 10 IMHO. Dark Isaan beauty. Long hair, slim but not skinny, perfect breasts (B-size), perfect butt. But the most important: sweet, not stupid, easy going and not arrogant. Although she knows her value. Very determined she will ask 1000 for ST and 1500 for LT. Bargaining almost impossible!

I had her ST (I had to get up early unfortunately). She wants everything with condom. No BJ because I finished before we came to that... In bed she's the same as outside: nice and sweet and she even kissed a little bit.

You can find her in the Chiang Mai Entertainment Plaza (I believe that's the name) at the Loi Khro Road. Go to the bars at the very end behind the boxing ring. You can find her in the bar in the middle. Or 1 of the bars in the middle, I forgot if there are 3 or 4.

I just made a 5 day visa run to Mae Sai and checked out the lady scene at Chiang Rai, Maesai, Chiang Saen, Chiang Khong. If you are looking for trekking, nature, Lanna landscape, Mekong River, temples, this is a great place for you. If you are seeking easy genital stimulation in these regions, you may need your hand and some help of imagination on some nights. But if you look hard enough, in some cases with help of motorbike boys, and lower your standard a bit, you can always find something. Also if you have a few days to waste ,the amatures scene can be good in these unspoiled regions as well.

Chiang Rai. I stayed 2 out 5 nights here. The action is around the hotel I stayed called Wangcome hotel. There are several karaokes and bar beer. And a small street of gogo bars. Nothing exciting. The lady choice not vert good. I only found a cute girl in one of the karaokes but she refused to go out with a customer. I found this quite often in the karaokes in Chiang Rai. many girls do not sleep with customers and only go out for dancing. So you have to ask beforehands. The gogo scene also very bad. The girls dance in plain clothes and no cutie at all. And the bar beer scene also have weak. A few bar beer at Yot Jet Rd. Bar fine 300 everywhere. But on the average the girls have good personality.

There are some popular discos in Chiang Rai. Biggest one is at Inn Come Hotel south of town. It's called Par Club. Very crowded on Friday my first night here. There is another crowded disco called Sperm Club nearby. I went there afterwards and tried to hit on the Heineken girl with a sexy body. I got her number but she had to work till 2 so I left and went back to nearby Wangcome hotel. I was pretty hungry for lady I picked up a lady sitting outside a karaoke bar on Yot Jet Rd near the clock tower. Paid 300 bar fine and walked to my room. But I could not really get excited because this girl has so much pubic hair. So she jack me off and I paid her 1500 and sent her away quickly.

Then I walked to another disco nearby in the Hotel Saen Phu. It was very crowded. There were a few nice girls but all with guys. I looked around but the only cute one available was a girl working behind the counter. I ordered a beer and gave her a big tip. And we started to talk but she was so busy. Did not really have chance to talk much. But I asked her number. She gave to me.

So I got 2 numbers this night. I decide to call both of them at 2 15 AM when they get off work and see what happen. I called the girl from disco at Saen Phu hotel because she was more cute than the Heineken. But she said she had to go home. So I called the Sperm Club Heineken girl and she said she wants to go Par Club which opens very late till 4 AM sometimes and asked me to go with her. So I took a tuk tuk again to Par Club and met her outside the parking.

For some reason some discos in this part of country can stay open till 4 or 5 AM. And they do not really check ID for teenagers either. There were obviously lots of little kids in all the discos in Chiang Rai.

Anyways I opened a bottle of 100 Piper. And danced with her for a long time. Later I got a little tired and asked her straight that I like to stay with her tonight. She said she can send me back with her motorbike but she is very tired and want to sleep. I did not push her at all because I was very tired myself. So she sent me to hotel Wangcome and we promised to meet gain when I get back from visa run in few days.

Mae Sai. 1 hour by bus from Chiang Rai. Paid 5 USD to go to Takiley on the myanmar side for a day. Officially out of Thailand and made a U-turn in 5 min get another 30 days. Checked in hotel Tai Tong. A well run Chinese hotel. Rooms have carpet and TV and Air. 500 bahts. Good value. Walked to the temple on the hill and around the border market waiting night to fall.

9PM. Walked around and found some massage places. There are myanmar ladies. But can not find any cutie. So I lower my standard and picked out a lady and took her back to my room. 200 for 2 hours. She gave me a good massage but refuse to do anything else. Not even hand job. I gave her 50 tip and walked to her shop again and asked for another lady who will body massage. But the mama said her ladies don't do sex massage. Because they are all too young and innocent. So I left and walked around the street along the river. Found a karaoke but the ladies were so old and I left quickly.

Found some more massages but no cutie. And I lost interest in getting massage girls. A bike taxi driver told me of a big disco called BM. Si I went. It was big for Mae Sai and was crowded on Sat my 2nd night. There were quick a few girls but I think some of them are working. I searched all corners and found several okay girls. I approached one. She was with another girl. So I treated them some drinks and talked to her. She said she is from Chiang Mai and came to visit her friend in Mae Sai. We danced together and disco closed at 2 and I asked her staight to stay with me. She nodded. So her friend went home first and the girl went back with me.

I think she is semi pro. Because she came in and we started the procedure and she looked very natural. She has very nice tits but has some fat around the waist. I ponded her a long time. And she spent the night with me till 9AM and I gave her a tip of 2500 and she was happy and gave me her number. Sex was good but
nothing exciting.

I took a songthel for Chiang Saen. About 1 hour from Mae Sai. On the way you passed Golden Triangle. Now there are luxury hotels like Meredien, Imperial ect. No more opium or Mr. Kun Sa. Arrived in Chiang Saen and rented a bicycle. I circled the town but cannot find any lady houses. But went to a few nice temples and rode along the river Mekong and saw many many Chinese barges delivering good from Xuxanbana. And there are so many goods from China. And lots of Chinese businessmen and Chinese sailors in town. I was struggling to stay here one night or leave for Chiang Rai. But decided to stick with my original plan to stay one night in the quiet town. maybe there is some new discovery when night falls.

I checked in the only hotel like hotel in town called Chiang Saen River Hill hotel. 800 Bahts very nice room. But it is a little out of the main street. I talked to the hotel bell boy about lady places. And he said he get off work at 10 and will take me to see many ladies.

He took me on a motorbike and ran into darkness and arrived in a house outside of town. We went in there were about 10 ladies and all of them Lao lady. I did not like anyone but had a beer just to give them a donation. So the boy took me to another dark street with a small neon sign says karaoke and we went in and there were about 7-8 ladies. This time I saw a cutie and she is Thai from this area. So I talke to mamasan to take her to my room. Paid mama 300 bahts and the boy ma and she she followed us to my hotel. I gave the boy 200 tip.

The lady has very good personality and very nice skin and licked my balls very well. Stayed till 11AM and lunched together. I was happy with her and gave her 2500 bahts for a whole night service and good time.

Later I moved on to Chiang Khong by songthel. Going to this town, you pass some really nice scenry. Beautiful lanna field. Chiang Khong only has one main street. Many nice guest houses along the Mekong river. I rented a bycicle again and explored the town in 10 min. The river scenry here is really beautiful that I forget about ladies for 20 min. Stayed at Ruan Thai Sopapan Hotel. Nice river side bangalow I paied 500.

I was tired and walked around Mekong and had nice dinner at the riversides restuarant and did not look for lady in Chiang Khong. A very health tourist.

Woke up and walked aornd the river see the view again then took a bus back to Chiang Rai for my last night. I checked in Saen Phu hotel for a change. Nice room 500 bahts. Then waited for night to fall. 8PM. Walked to the night bazzar. Tried to picked up a student in uniform. But she said she was waiting for her boyfiriend and the boy came shortly after. I walked to a big hotel called Wiang Inn Hotel. There is a bubble bath in there. The only one in Chiang Rai. But all the ladies are so old and ugly and I did not even ask how much and left. Went back to my room for a rest and called the Heineken girl.

She was not working and agrred to see me. We met at the Pizza Company and had a late dinner. Then she invited me to some bar and we went. She took me on her bike and I tried to hold her and she did not resisted and this is a very good sign. We drank some beer and eat some snack and listened to music. Then I told her this is my last night and wanted to like to stayed with her. She kind of think and said she has to go to school 8AM. I said I will wake her up. Then we went to my room and she resisted a little at first. But later opened up very well. I pounded her. Small tits but very nice legs. I think she is a amature. Woke up about 7 AM. Did not sleep much and she was in a hurry to go. I told her I have no time to buy her a present and I like to give her some money to buy herself a present. I gave her 3000 and she accepted it and feel happy. She asked me to stay one more night. But I told her I cannot because I cannot change my air schedule. But made empty promise to see her again next month. Which I think I will not come all the way for her again. We said bye bye. And my 5 days visa run trip ends.

I'm debating to go to Chiang Mai during my last week here in LOS. Does Chiang Mai have the same type beer bar set up as Pattaya and Phuket? I'd really like to make it up there if it has the bar girls I love.

Checked out the soapies in CM this week.

Pandoras, my favourite for many years, has been going downhill for the last 12 months. Now is at an all time low, with mostly old hags in the goldfish bowl, and very few sideline girls.

The manager has changed, and done away with the 1 hour service for Bht1,000 (sometimes got it for 800), and will now not negotiate on the 1.5 hour rate below Bht 1,600 (used to be 1,500 ... but got it for 1,200 normally).

Give it a miss for now.

Instead, went to Sayuri, god selection this time around, about 35 girls at 21:00pm. Got a real cutie for Bht 1,200 for 1.5 hours .... which actually lasted almost 2.5 hours.

Go on foot, so you can get a better price than by taking a tuk-tuk. Easy to find, accross Narawat Bridge, in a Soi that suns between Riverside/Good View by the river, and the next main Soi.

Good report RCA Knight.

Did you not try anything the other side of the border? Usually a nice day-time selection there for Bht300.

You are paying too much in Thailand ..... but seem to be satisfied with what you pay ..... so, enjoy!

Here's an addition to the CM soapie scene: (Phucome)

Went to a place at the CM Phucome hotel. The hotel is way out on Huay Kuew, well past Nimmehamin. It's the NW corner of a very busy intersection. The sign is in Thai and bright blue neon on top of the building. As you are facing the front of the building head left. DO NOT go into the 'traditional massage' place (got this tip from another forum). Go into the ground level of the parking garage and look for the neon signs, then up the stairs.

Papasan quoted 900 all-inclusive for 1.5hrs. Had about 12 in fishbowl, and 6 in side area. These latter girls are 1100. Of course, papasan was quick with a recommendation. A new girl he said. I asked 'nome yai' and he admitted no. When asked for another recommendation, he came back to the same one!

So, wtf, I take her. Forgot the name, but real nice. Small, but not much for a body imho, maybe a 6+. Starts with wash in large tub, then to bed for CBJ, and boom. Then wash down. Room ok, has a minibar. No chance to give feedback to papasan. Probably would try something else before heading out there again.

Euros123:

I once about a year or so ago went into Tackiley for a visa run and walked around the streets and some motorbike boys told me nice ladies for 500 bahts. And insisted these ladies are very young and cute. So I gave it a try and he took me to a house that had about 10 girls and the level is so so nothing spetacular. The mamasan can speak some English and offered me to take 2 for sandwich for 1000 bahts. It was cheap and the girls were okay and look clean ,not disgusting. The motorbike boy asked me 100 for tip and offer to pick me up in 1.5 hours. Then I had 2 gals for sandwich but the room upstairs was so filthy and the shower water was kind of yellowish color. So I was not in a good mood for action.

After this I did not look for lady on the other side of border anymore.

RCA Knight,

Well done for your report on july 7th. The kind of report I like. Off the beaten track, with original and precise details. More of reports like this please guys !
The only thing, in my opinion you really overpaid and spoilt the girls. There is no need to pay 2500 or 3000 B to a girl for overnight. 1500 to 2000 B is always enough. Do you know the average monthly salary of a shop ao factory worker in this region of Thailand ? Well that is what they would earn if nobody fucked them !

Hey Guys,
What's the closing times up there in CM these days? Still 2am or earlier? I heard somewhere that disco's are closing at 1am - is that true? I'll be up there from August 18th to 24th....just trying to figure out some things......thanks a lot people!
Chikan

Re: Closing times

Yes it's true.

Places like Starlight shut down at 1am. The friendly & sleepier places with the retired farang close down at 12.

Bubbles disco at Pornping open until 2am though. I think there are a few other discrete after-hours places though.

RCA Knight,

I enjoyed your report. Do you speak Thai or any local language or were you able to accomplich all of this in English only?

I am thinking of doing the 3 days/2 nights Doi Chiang Dao Trek has anyone participated in this trek? If so, what is the mongering like?

Sam,

I did a similar trek in March and enjoyed it. There wan't any mongering on the trek (The rest of the group was always around, the hill tribe gals didn't speak english and they weren't very attractive), but a decent amount exists in Chiang Mai. I had the best luck at Spotlight and took a real cutie out of there and saw a few more that were doable. Sounds like from the posts here, the talent changes frequently. Also got offered extras during almost every massage and picked up (or got picked up by) a freebie in the plaza. Tried Bubbles and the karaoke places with no luck.

Have fun.

I am thinking of doing the 3 days/2 nights Doi Chiang Dao Trek has anyone participated in this trek? If so, what is the mongering like?

Easy Rider 2:

I have been in and out of Thailand for over 10 years. I took some courses before many years ago in bangkok. Then I bought the study books and tapes from Asia Book. I usually keep a small notebook with me when I don't know a vocab I write it down in Romantized sound and check with my lady friends or try to look up in the dictionary. There is a Romantized Thai dictionary. You can buy from Asia Book.

So I know quite a lot of vocab already from studying over 10 years mostly by myself with helps from girls. It really helps in picking up ladies. It makes them feel easier and be able to speak basic Thai can reach out a bigger lady market as well.

RCA,

Then you maybe can help me with a useful phrase I have forgot; "Do you want to go with me?"

Havana Moon,

Pai duai dai mai ?--lets fo together,ok?

In Asia Book stores, there are quite a few good phrase books and dictionaries. You shoud go check it out.

Hello friend,

Can anyone one give me some info as to where to get the best chick in town that comes with a good price.

I will be in Chiangmai on 25 Oct 04

freeman,

the best girls are to be found in the karaokes but this can often be expensive.

for good value and good quality girls i recommend the main bar-beer centre on loi kroh road, next to the star six go-go bar. officially this place is called the chiang mai entertainment complex but the tuk-tuk drivers call it the star-six bar beer centre. there are loads of good bars here, and the best ones for girls are at the back behind the boxing ring.

dante bar normally seems to have the best looking girls and often has about twenty girls working, although on some nights not as many. a few of the girls are university students and so don't go with customers. dante is definitely the best beer-bar in chiang mai.

there are many other good bars in this same centre and further down the same road (loi kroh) you will find a bunch more bars plus a few more rep001tered close by just across the moat.

there are a few go-gos in town such as spotlight, foxy lady, star six, stairway to heaven, they are all good but the girls tend to be in and out with customers a few times per night. plus in foxy lady many of the girls flirt a lot but don't go with customers, i've watched many guys storm out after buying the girls drinks all night long only to be given the "time of the month" excuse.

annoyingly everywhere shuts at midnight these days except for a few discos. the main disco is bubble, at the porn ping hotel, it is full of freelancers and bar-girls but is a pretty shit place to hang out, as it is also packed with cheesy tourists and the staff are infamous for short-changing customers and selling fake alcohol. after bubble closes at 2am girls still looking for customers go to an outdoor bar/restaurant called spicy this place stays open all night. all these places are easy to get to, and nowhere in the centre of town costs more than 40 baht in a tuk tuk.

pm me for any further information.

I am off to Chiang Mai next week with my new friend who is the Front Desk Manager at my Bangkok Hotel. Any suggestions on a nice hotel with a Spa? Are there any good nightclubs there? We'll be there for five days.

Playboy,

It depends on what you mean by nightclubs. There are several disco's in and around town, several impressive karaoke's, beer bars, and then there are a few really nice, and comparetively expensive bar/restaurants. The nicer ones are easily world class and might be a great place to impress your new friend. They are not pick-up bars and you generally won't be doing any socializing with others. They are elegant, quiet, romantic. If you need more info or want to clarify what you are looking for, you can PM me. I'd be happy to help and make a few recommendations and maybe even help with directions.

As to hotels with spa, I can't really help. There are two great boutique hotels in town but they are probably booked well in advance and I'm not sure about their facilities. One is Rachamankha, the other is Tamarind Village. Furhter out you might try the Inmperial Mae Ping or Belle Villa. Also, Baan Saen Doi. Oasis Spa is one of the nicer spa's and is close to some very nice hotels.

I'm sure you could Google these for more info.

T

Playboy.

The best hotel/resort is the Four Seasons but it is outside of town. Has an excellent spa though, apparently the best in the North of Thailand. There are several out of town retreats with spas if you want to escape from the centre.

The best centrally located hotels are The Sheraton (formely Westin) and the Duang Tawan, I don't know if they have spas or not. For a more Thai style hotel I recommend Tamarind Village (http://www.tamarindvillage.com) or Rachamankha (www.rachamankha.com) or, if you are on a budget, The Pagoda Inn is very nice. I recommend www.precisionreservations.com for hotel bookings.

There are plenty of spas all over town but I'm not sure which are in hotels, I'm not really a spa man. If you PM me for more details I can easily find out whatever you need to know. Always happy to help.

Good nightclubs- that depends on what you like, there are plenty here, Bubbles (which I hate) caters to Westerners, Nice Illusion and Hot Shots are a good-mix, but Thais enjoy Bossy, X-Zone, Legacy, Fashion House, Warm Up, Sixty One, etcetera etcetera.

Chiang Mai is a good place to take a girl, especially now that the early closing times are killing off the bar-scene. Still plenty of girly action for visitors but once you've lived here for a while you get bored of the same faces.

Anyone have any experience with the Montri Hotel? I understand that its close to the train station and the bars.

The Montri is near the bar scene, but not the train station, which is a fair ways away on the far side of the river. The Montri is in the old city, right near Tapae Gate, so it's easily accessable to pretty much everything. It's decent but not four-star, was a bit run down the last time I was in it, but also reasonably priced.

I stayed at the Montri. remember it as functional, nothing stands out, except the western-style diner attached to the corner which attracts a lot of travellers.

As Zop says, it is not close to the trains but is in the center of the action and was girl-friendly when I was there in '00.

Girlfriendly hotels?

Dear friends, I will visit CM for my first time in November 04.
After reading your reports in this thread, i have got a lot of valuable information.

But not so much information about the different hotels policy regarding bringing back girls to your room.

Please inform which hotels are guest friendly, or oposite.
And which ones demand joiner fee?

Gregbro.

I have found Rydges, Star Inn, Suriwongse, Royal Lanna, Chiang Mai Orchid and Sheraton to be girl friendly.

I do however always book a double room.

I've had joiner fee requests at Imperial Mae Ping and Royal Princess but not every night, I guess it depends on who is on duty. Often the fee was forgotten once I explained that I had booked a double room but on other occassions they were stubborn and I paid.

Occassionally when I have been asked for joiner fees from night-staff in hotels I tell them to add it to my bill. It has very rarely appeared on the bill so I suspect it was a scam and would have ended up in that employee's pocket.

It is easy enough to ask hotels about whether it is possible to bring in a guest, they rarely appear embarrassed or rude, especially if you are friendly and polite.

Tanks Coma Boy, nice info.

You or anybody else know the policy at Chiang Mai Plaza (Westin) or Tamarind.

And which hotel do you think is best value for money?

Westin is now called Sheraton, not very centrally located, but girl-friendly.

Chiang Mai Plaza I think has joiner fees, not sure though. It has a great swimming pool. Okay-ish location.

Tamarind Village is beautiful, not sure how girl-friendly. I stayed there for three nights with a temporary GF who I checked in with. Didn't see any guests with bar-girls.

Basically I think everywhere is pretty much girl-friendly in Chiang Mai if you have booked for two. If they give you any hassle at night just point out that you booked for two people. "Pom jong hawng samrap song kohn na krap".

Good deals for rooms can be found at www.precisionreservations.com - I use this site for most of my Asian hotel bookings.

I think the new Duang Tawan Hotel may be the best place to stay. Brand new, not too expensive, I think it is girl-friendly, and an excellent location- very close to the action. Only three minutes walk to the main bar-beer centre (Dante Bar, Star Six etc.) and three minutes in the other direction for your morning Starbucks fix.

joking.

okay, main beer-bars are at the chiang mai entertainment complex (cec), this is on a road called loi kroh and is about a three minute walk from the night bazaar. next to the duang tawan and imperial mae ping hotels. this place contains about twenty bars, the ones at the end behind the boxing ring tend to have the best girls and the ones as you enter tend to have more tourist customers.

my favourites are dante, ringside and cheerleaders.

tell tuk-tuk drivers to take you to star six, as no-one ever calls the place the chiang mai entertainment complex.

the star six go-go bar is next to the cec.

further down loi kroh road (heading away from the night bazaar, probably a six minute walk) there are about eight more bars, these are good fun too but most of the best girls have moved to cec. this area is where stairway to heaven is located.

then across the moat are a rep001tering of other bars (december bar, predator), not so good, but you meet the occassional hotty if you're lucky.

keep moving and you'll come across spotlight, across the road is a small bar-beer centre- probably called thae pae gate bar beer centre, a couple of okay bars in here but mostly boy-bars and lady-boys.

foxy lady is on thae pae soi 1, next to a bunch of gay bars, this soi runs parallel to the night bazaar road and is just a few minutes from the chiang mai entertainment complex.

spicy is on a road called chaiyapoom and is next to a disco called nice illusion and about five minutes away from spotlight. every single tuk-tuk driver knows it. spicy gets busy at about 1am and stays busy till about 5am, it is full of tourists and bar-girls and other random people. it is a kind of semi-outdoor restaurant but not many people actually eat there. everyone is very drunk so it is easy to pick up chicks or just sit back and watch the drunken farang fighting each other.

chiang mai land is about ten minutes from the night bazaar on the same road (changklan) if you head south out of town. it has a couple of discos (bossy and legacy) and a bunch of karaokes and cheap japanese restaurants. there is even a lesbian bar but i have never seen any girls there- only old farang men looking for lesbians. thai lesbians tend to hang out in clubs such as image.

unfortunately the shitty closing times here have sent a lot of our best girls south to work in bangkok and beyond.

basically everywhere in town is very easy to find, everything is close to everything else and tuk-tuk drivers will understand where you want to go no matter how bad you pronounce place names. you'll be an expert yourself after 48 hours.

okay, hope this makes sense, i've just returned to my room after a night at dante. i'm too drunk to be typing really and the girl in my bed is complaining that i'm neglecting her. but we've already done our thing and once is enough for me tonight!

enjoy.

Joking.

What is DG?

Coma - not "WHAT" - "WHO" - wonder who it is myself might be Domino? But he is in Pattaya right now.

I'm looking for a decent, cheap (I'm poor) hotel for a couple of night. Must be girl friendly. I see I can book the Pornping Tower for 1155baht (double). How is it? Also, anything cheaper? How about "Downtown Inn" (870/double for standard room)

Okay, Joking- explain yourself please.

Who is the mysterious DG?

Downtown Inn is very close to the action, is girl-friendly and damn cheap, haven't stayed there myself and I have heard that the rooms are nothing special, but serve their purpose.

Downtown Inn is also next to The Bunny Club, a bar with massive potential if only they would employ some girls under forty. If you like a nasty-ride then you need only walk thirty seconds from Downtown Inn to the Bunny Club. I have to admit I still pop in from time to time when I'm in a dark mood.

Also the CEC is only about five minutes away on foot.

Porn Ping is also girl-friendly, not very expensive, not particularly nice but good enough and has a fairly good swimming pool. Close enough to the action and the popular (but shit) freelancer disco- Bubble is also at that hotel.

I reckon you should opt for Downtown Inn.

Rat Fink,

The Suriwonge (sp?) is cheap, clean, and lady friendly. I stayed there earlier this year and had no problems. The doorman would smile as he opened the door for me and my young friends. Inside, the married women would look at me with disgust and their husbands with envy. It is located next to the night bazaar, and two blocks from the entertainment complex, where I scored a freebie.

Thanks for the info Coma Boy. "Downtown" it shall be, barring other comments suggesting otherwise. Anyone ever booked on farangs.com? They just came up on several google searches.

I've stayed at the Downtown Inn, and I frankly found it overpriced for what you got -- small and dingy rooms, generally pretty run-down, without really enough charm to make up for the couple hundred baht you save. If you want to be in that area, the Suriwongse is only a hundred yards or so away and only a tiny bit more expensive. I've stayed in both, and I'd choose the Suriwongse.

Well-said, Coma Boy, on the Bunny Club. A nice place with a lot of potential (which I imagine the German owner was looking to capitalize on before he up and died) and some nice ladies, but definitely mostly older, as can be the case in any number of CM spots.

Dear coma boy,

Can you give me some info on People Place lodging in Chaing mai,
a friend of mine introduce me to stay there , cost about 560.00 / nite.

Please comment.

Thank You.

If you actually call the Pornping you will find the cheapest rooms are BHT800 with breakfast. But you only get two single beds.
There is the delux which has a double at Bht 1,000 and the Exec Delux which is Bht 1,200. This was the price a month ago.
Totally girl friendly and plenty of 'road-kill' outside by Bubbles to dip your stick in.
Much better than Downtown Inn.
Avoid the Bunny Club....mingers only!
Wayne King

Star 6 - what an absolute WASTE OF TIME - I can see the same stuff on a beach with better looking girls - might not be available but certainly better looking

CEC is "interesting" but the girls here don't have the "aggressiveness" of Pattaya. Anybody know if the pricing strutcure is about the same?

Oh, and about the best deal for the price would be the Montri 750B - just a bit of a walk unless you want hangers around (near Tapae gate for those interested) - AND this crazy traffic here is enough to drive me crazy. Mostly 1 way streets

Yeah, Star Six has a lot of beasts, but I've unearthed a few good performers there on several occassions.

You're right though Dinghy, no-one there is much of a looker and some of the girls are horrific. I kind of like the dark and sleazy atmosphere though.

Yeah, CEC ain't Pattaya, but if you're in Chiang Mai it's the current best hunting ground.

Standard prices at CEC bars are: 1000 baht short-time, 1500 long-time. Bar fines are 300 baht.

Naturally some girls will ask for more, but will always agree to standard prices when challenged.

Rat Fink.

Have just thought of the perfect hotel for you- The Star Inn. This is owned by the Suriwongse Hotel and is just around the corner from them.

A great location, girl-friendly and not expensive. Can't remember how much but probably under 1000 baht.

I always book hotels on www.precisionreservations.com.

Thanks guys. Looks like I have plenty to choose from.

Geof

CB - hmmm... so higher prices in the hinterlands. Got used to B500 ST from beer bars

For those on a serious budget there are a bunch of short-time places for 300-500 baht a pop.

Mostly illegal Burmese immigrants and not very safe in more ways than one. Also I suspect a lot of the girls may not be working through choice.

These are located behind the dark-doors of an area called Santitam- popular with tuk-tuk drivers, policemen and other Thai mongers.

Rat Fink,

Tapae Place Hotel, Tapae Road, Soi 3.

I paid 550 bath for a very nice double room in a nice hotel (june 2004). So low season, don't know what the rate is in high season.
About 10 min. walk from the action. Girl friendly, no problems at all.

Joking.

It's funny that many Farang teaching English still can't speak English properly themselves.

Feel very sorry for their students.

Tapae Place Hotel used to be the same general rate -- 550 baht with breakfast included -- during high season, except from Christmas until just after New Year's, when they jack it up.

"Your good work will be repaid with good pussy"

LOL- thanks Joking!

It's late when I arrive at my hotel, the Suriwongse on the corner of Loi Khro and Chang Klan Roads. I've booked a suite, and it's enormous: Several generations of a large Thai peasant family would probably be comfortable in it. But the hotel has a feel of faded elegance. It needs a re-furb. Also, whilst the 'lower level' staff are friendly and efficient, junior management (cashier excepted) upwards are fucking useless and uniformly have bad attitudes (I'm swimming in the deserted pool at 6.30 one darkened evening when the bad-tempered duty manager comes strutting towards me. He's pulled back by a bellboy, who shows him the sign that says: Pool open from 10AM to 8PM). The place has a combined feel of Faulty Towers and Colditz.

Anyway, I head out to try to find some riverside beer bars that someone had told me about, but I keep getting badly lost. Jeez, it's hot and sticky tonight, like a sauna in a greenhouse. I'm wilting so I give up on my sortie, and fumble my way back to the hotel where I collapse, exhausted, on my bed.

In the morning, I decide to do a reccie for the CEC beer bar complex that I've read about in this thread (thanks, boys). I don't know why, but I just cannot get my bearings in this town. Over an hour later, I find it less than 200 yards from my front door. I must've walked past it half-a-dozen times last night. Oh well...at least I know where I'm going tonight.

I spend the rest of the day looking round town, shopping, etc, the usual tourist stuff. Later, I head over to CEC. There are about 20 bars, and all look fairly quiet, with old-ish girls. Bizarrely, there's an in-use Muay Thai ring in the middle. I spot a bar (Cannibals?) that has a few customers. I'm getting the 'welcarm' treatment from a couple of girls, and one of them gives me her best smile. She's gorgeous.

So I spend the evening in this bar in the company of Aor (23yo). She's part-Burmese, from a town on the border. She's a graduate in business studies. She doesn't want a 'proper' job because it would mean working with Thai men, and she hates them: They don't show her any respect. She went to work in Bangkok with expat farangs (she loves white farangs), but the climate was too hot and sticky for her. We play some pool when the Chinese pool table 'owner' and his barfine let us. One thing I've noticed is that the girls are drinking all the profits. Closing time comes all too soon at 12 o'clock: The new laws are rigorously enforced here. Me: "Where can I go now?" Aor: "You want come disco with us?" Me: "yeah, course, thanks.".

So 1 white farang, 7 bargirls, 1 ageing ladyboy cashier, and 1 Chinese pool table owner pile into 2 tuk tuks (how many people can you fit in a British phone box?). When we arrive at the Pornping hotel, one of the girls goes in the late store across the road and buys a bottle of 100 Pipers whisky. We take this openly, unchallenged into Bubble Disco. We're shown to a private balcony. The girls are obviously 'well in' here. I buy a stack of mixers, and the girls proceed to dance like crazy and get shitfaced drunk. One is falling around all over the place. We need more mixers, we look at Chinese pool table owner, he needs to go to the toilet. Nice man.

2AM 'lights up' time arrives, and the girls (including fall over girl) want to go to a 5AM disco called Spicy. I tell Aor I want to go home. She wants to come with me. Back at the hotel, we hit the sack fast. Aor is taller and more fleshy than the average TG, with amazing, full C cup tits that are a birthing present from her Mama. We continue with the kissing that had started in Bubbles, then onto decent owo ("But you no put water in my mouth."), then some fuck positions - those tits are awesome - and a gfe mish finish. In the morning, it's same-same last night.

After breakfast, we head out to do some sightseeing. We get a tuk tuk to the other side of town, then a songtaew (sp?) for a spectacular ride up the Doi Suthep mountain to the base of Wat Phra That Doi Suthep. We skip the cable car and take the proper option of walking the naga staircase of 309 steps. To get in the temple it's locals free, farangs a few baht. The temple buildings are beautiful, but not as authentic as they should be, due to a recent major refurb (which is ongoing). Great views of the surrounding countryside 3500 feet below.

We descend the mountain, have lunch in Chiang Mai, then get a tuk tuk!!! to the elephant farm (Aor suffers from travel sickness in cars). It barely makes it up the mountain, and I'm ribbing Aor that she's pompoey and will have to get out and walk. On the way back down, we stop off at the snake farm and watch the show. It's entertaining, and those guys have balls.

It's late when we get back to Chiang Mai, and we go off to our respective rooms to clean up and change. I want to eat somewhere nice tonight, so I take Aor to the German restaurant on Loi Khro Road near the hotel. It's a nice place, with excellent Thai food and a good range of bottled German beers. But it's a mistake. Aor is like a fish out of water. I've never seen a TG look so uncomfortable. So we eat quickly and head over to her bar. I have to pay bar tonight because we're very late. No problem, 300 baht is chump change to stupid rich farang like me.

We get to play some pool tonight because Chinese pool table owner appears to have sold up. Aor is useless, and I cannot get her to win, even with me playing cack-handed. But we have a laugh. The girls are going to Bubbles again tonight (seems to be a nightly occurence). I go with them. Tonight they take two bottles of 100 pipers in. It's Techno night again.

By the time we get back to the hotel, Aor is badly drunk, and the fucking is sloppy but she tries her best. When we wake in the morning she has a throat infection. I feel shitty about this. It's the same one I caught off Tik in Pattaya, which I thought I'd cleared. Hope she doesn't get it as bad as me - I collapsed into the wardrobe the morning I started with it. She dresses and leaves to visit her sister in the next town, but I call her back. I haven't given her any money. I hand her 3000 baht and she takes it sheepishly.

So, there i was sitting at a table outside my hotel talking to another falang and his "friend" (she spoke excellent english) and trying my Thai as well (again was VERY surprised that I knew the alphabet - what is it - they think that merely because it is DIFFICULT it is unlearnable by falang??) She offered a "lesson" (real one) but I (in my smug complacency, declined politely - krup)

Anyway - up walks this cute young thing - who starts in Thai beyond my meager capacity and I only caught a word or 2 edgewise - and she walks away. The girl says something about "she just wanted to know how much a beer was. I tink she likes you." AHHH... SHIT - so I go off down the street to catch up to her and even though she have maybe a 90 second lead on me, I didn't catch up to her (she might have been the one going into Montri, but didn't know for sure.

She sure would have had enough for a beer (which I would have GLADLY bought) and MORE IF (dummy me) would have only realized what she was saying. There are GOOD things about learning to READ, but more good things about learning to SPEAK FIRST.

Sure was LOTS cooler in Chiang Mai than Krung Thep. (smelled better, too)

So I leave Chiang Mai today, a city with a unique 'feel' to it. I make a mental note that I must return and spend more time here.

Btw, for anyone who thinks that they may be experiencing mental health issues, I noticed a brand-spanking new psychiatric hospital on the outskirts of town. Glad I don't have to worry about that shit.

My next reports will be posted in the Bangkok 2004 thread.

Congratulations on learning some Thai. It is easy to see the benefits.

There are so many expats who have been here for ten years who still can't speak any Thai. Plus a lot of folk who can speak but not read or write.

If you want to speak it well it is also essential to learn to read and write, as otherwise you'll never master the tones. I've finally mastered reading and writing, I even passed the exam for foreigners that is the equivalent of a Thai thirteen year old student's level. Cool eh! I'm as clever as a schoolboy!

What I find annoying is Farang who know a few words and shout them, with terrible pronunciation, at the top of their voices to whoever they are with anytime another Westerner is in the vicinity.

But best of all is knowing Thai and pretending not to. It is great to listen to what people are saying about you and then once they've made a suitably interesting comment or compliment, throw them a snappy comeback in Thai.

Then again, perhaps you should practise running faster as that would have also got you the cute young thing.

Keep them coming - you've got a good style.

Always found the Chiang Mai scene second best myself - you really can't beat Soddom and Gomorrah by the Sea (Pattaya) in my book, once you know the 'rules'.

Agree on the mental health issues - have a look at the Korat board. Could be mistaken for thinking that some are posting from some kind of institution with special internet priveleges (no porn!).

Nice reports, Terry. Thanks.

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My English is not perfect but most people can understand what I am on about , but not so with a person like DG who claims to be Orstrayliaan , ha ha.
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Hey! I resemble that remark!! :p

Does anyone know of a good naughty massage place(s) here in CM, other than the well know soapies? I'd like to find a place where I can get a good 'ol fashioned BJ and a good massage. I do enjoy Sayuri and frequent the place, guess I'm just looking for some variety.

I've had a house here with my wife for about four years but worked in Singapore. I left my job in Singapore and moved here permenantly earlier this year. I've been finding the well known places OK, but now I'm looking for some of the hidden jems - if there are any.

Cheers

I've driven past the New Star Palace a few times now (without stopping as yet) - it looks like a massage/karaoke place, butI haven't seen it mentioned here yet.

Its on the Mahidol Road, right hand side heading toward the airport, about 1/2 way between Ku Rang corner and Far Eastern college. I'll try and poke my nose in (leash too short at the 'mo for anything else) in the next few days.

BTW, what is the going price at Sayuri?

Cheers, Y

Check out the massage parlour at the Phucome hotel on Huay Kaew Road, this place is very popular among Thais.

Or knock on those blacked out doors in Santiitam for a "good ol' fashioned BJ" from a Chinese or Burmese girl.

I will remember it was 1600B. I was there 2 pm with only a few gals there at the moment. It was OK but not more. PP in Pattaya was much better I think.

Some of my Thai friends said New Star Palace "very good", meaning there is sanuk to be had there. I think they said it's only Karoke though. I've been meaning to poke my head in there too.

The price I've been paying at Sayuri is 1,050 for the girl and the VIP room. I was first introduced there by a big Thai customer, so they charge me the local price. I think if you show your face there a few times, you would get the local price.

I've also tried the Phucome hotel. It's set up like Sayuri but a bit smaller. I've always had a good experience there. It's more like a soapy than a strictly massage place.

Have any of you tried that massage place just up from Spotlight? The girls hang out front and some of them are quite pretty. They are all young and look naughty so I think there's something going on in there.

I've been here in CM for about the last six months and on that same type short leash as Yendor so haven't had the chance to explore too much. That said, a few comments: I have been to the New Nancy, Pandora's, the Phucome, and Ping Payom. I didn't even stay at the first two places, only a few girls in each and none too attractive. Also they quoted me what I thought were very high prices, around 1600 bt each place. The Phucome is a little run down, as were most of the girls, but there is a gem or two to be found. I've been a few times and tend to pay 900 bt. I do like their mirrored ceilings. The Ping Payom is by far my favorite. Fairly clean, fishbowl of 20 plus girls, many quite attractive. Going rate seems to be 950 bt for farang and 750 bt for Thai. I have had some very good experiences at Ping Payom.

That said, my leash has been considerably lengthened and I am eager to explore a bit more. Would really appreciate some suggestions. Particularly I would like to know a bit more about Santiitam. Specifically how to get there (driving), what to look for, what to look out for.

Also would be interested in meeting up with any of you guys for a beer some time. I'm fairly busy for the next two weeks, but would certainly like to meet up some time.

Yeah, New Star Palace is only karaoke. It is not really suitable for anyone on a budget; drinks are only by the bottle, plus mixers, and an hourly fee is added to your bill if girls are sat with you.

You can bar-fine some of the girls for 3000 Baht, paid to the establishment, but you're not expected to give any extra to the girl, unless, of course, you want to tip her.

I've heard that same information about the pricing at Sayuri from a lot of people: the more you go, and who you know, greatly affects the pricing.

I prefer the regular bar scene so I'm not much of an expert on the soapies and massage parlours.

The place next to Spotlight is, unfortunately, just normal Thai massage, no action. But, I agree some of those little angels hanging around outside look very sweet, but inside there are a several less attractive ones.

Sorry to hear about the short leash, that must have been a fucking nightmare.

Santiitam is the area running parallel to the road that holds Novotel, Rimping and Simon Cabaret. Drive towards Novotel from Chang Puak Gate, turn left into the Novotel area, keep driving and follow the road all the way round and out.

You should see a bar in front of you called Doi-Boy (beware!). Turn left and almost immediately you will see several very non-descript places, with blacked out doors.

This isn't a nice scene, it is where tuk-tuk drivers and songthaew drivers go for pussy, fairly dangerous, run by the mafia, and most of the girls are old or ugly or fat or illegal Burmese immigrants.

Lots of STDs- so don't even think of going bareback. But, you never know, it may be perfect for you. It is certainly cheap.

So, where is Ping Payom? I've never heard of it.

I have no idea who the other Chiang Mai posters are, although we'd probably all recognise each other if we ever meet.

Thanks guys for the input below.

Had a spare 2 hrs on Fri, so was able to sneak away (sans leash). Arrived 1220 to find the place open, but barely a soul around - fishbowl very empty indeed. Calls of 'hello' unanswered until, after about 10mins, one of the staff arrived. I am an intermediate Thai speaker and passed on the requirements: I have to leave at 2:00pm and where are the girls? Should be here by 2:00pm was the reply. Things started looking grim....however, 1 or 2 might be in soon I was told.

Decided that I could cope with (needed) only an hour and camped out for the next 30 mins. In that time I noted 3 girls arrive. I wasn't sure if the first was staff or working - cute, deeper brown skin colour (which I prefer) and almost j-girl looking. Having learnt the lessons of indecision over the past 20 years (and repeated them) I intercepted her when she popped out to talk with the cashier. Papasan arrived in a blink - I explained that I now only had 1 hr before departing - 900 baht was the price and off we went.

Duek was very softly spoken, but soon warmed up with some thai chit-chat enroute to room (needs a lick of paint!). Level of english was better than I thought, mainly when my thai faltered. Small room, but mirrored side and ceiling. Clothes off and towels on - for about a minute!

Duek had nice firm breasts, stood about 1.5m and was about 45kg. Very nicely proportioned. With both of us standing (the bath was filling at this time), she started with the warm breath nipple lick/nibble, working her way down my waist and gently brushing my penis. She licked/kissed the shaft up to just below the head and carried on like this for about 3-4 min. A fairly standard soapy followed, included a very nice tit massage and more oral.

Exiting the bath, with only 30 min left, it had to be down to business. On the bed she repeated the warm neck/nipple/waist/balls/rimming/cock kissing - gently and erotically moving herself over me to expose a quite aroused pussy. She expertly did 'condom in the mouth' to effect CBJ and continued with a full BJ. Time was moving on and so I had to move on to the FS stage. It was quite obvious she was aroused, as her lips and clit were well defined and standing slightly proud. I entered gently into a wet and remarkably tight pussy (she has had at least 1 kid judging by some very slight tummy marks) and an enthusiatic fuck followed. I wanted her to HJ me to finish on her lovely breasts, and she readly obliged by bothlicking my penis as well as a nice slow HJ. meantime I was gently rubbing the outside of her pussy lips and clit. She seemed to quite enjoy that! Her HJ did the job nicely and I finished nicely over on her tits.

She appeared concerned that I was still hard as I began a fast shower/change - and almost felt guilty I couldn't spend another 45min with her. I reassured her that all was indeed very satisfactory. No pics as the camera was at home - however, I think that I stand a good chance if I repeat the visit for the proper period of time!

In all, a very satisfying experience and well overdue given I have been in country 2 months with no chances to ... roam. Still, I'm lucky enough to be here for another 3 years or so!

I'll let you know how I get on. I escape to BKK for a night soon, so that too might be fun....

TS - can you pass on where Ping Payom is located? Cheers

Y

Guys,

Sorry for the late reply, your posts from the 30th of October didn't show up until today.

Ping Payom is on the western edge of town at the corner of Thanon Suthep and the road to Wing 41 (the Air Force base). You can only turn left onto the Wing 41 road if you are headed out Th. Suthep toward Doi Suthep. You must then make an immediate right into the Ping Payom Hotel. When I say immediate, it is less than 10 meters from the intersection. After this turn you will drive back into the hotel parking lot. From there look back to the hotel and there is an entrance with a lot of neon. On the left is Karaoke, on the right the fishbowl. Hope that helps, if you need further clarification just let me know.

Coma boy, thanks for the info on Santiitam. I'll try to seek it out soon.

Yendor, did you happen to get Duek's badge number. Sounds like someone I'd like to try.

Again, if any of you are up for a beer anytime, let me know. A few fello mongers are coming up from Bkk this weekend and we will try to be getting together at least one night.

Oops, I just read my post below with directions to Santitam, and I should have written turn right when you see Doi Boy, not left.

Just check out the places with blacked out doors or any of those pink-lit shacks.

Coma Boy,

Thanks for the clarification on directions. I was over that way last night and thought I would give it a try. Since I was going on your previous directions I turned left and circled twice without seeing anything that resembled what you described. I did notice a place named The Fanclub, do you know anything about it?

Since I was there I stopped in a little bar opposite the Fanclub and spent a few hours drinking beer and chatting with the two hostesses. Both were quite cute, and I may be taking one of them back to my place on Saturday. The bar has no name in English on the sign but it is called Sabei.

When I left Sabei I was propositioned by a few boys with calls of "You want cute boy?" While one of them was indeed extremely cute, I'm not into that scene.

On my way back home I passed through the area that your modified directions suggested and did see a few blacked out doors. As it was raining and I needed some rest, I passed for the night. I'll go back soon and then report back to the board.

Again, thanks for the info. If I can be of any help, please let me know.

T

Here is a map to help anyone trying to find the CEC (Chiang Mai Entertainment Complex) or the wonderful Star Six.

No-one actually calls the place CEC, it is normally referred to as "the Bar Beer Centre next to Star Six". Or in Tuk-Tuk driver lingo- "S'dar Sik".

It also illustrates how amusing it is that Terry Terrier took a few hours to find the place when he was staying at the Suriwongse Hotel.

(Thanks to Dante Bar for the map).

Coma boy

It was actually about 70 mins. And it was closed when I walked past it late the previous night. I had a good laugh at my own confusion, but then again, as Dickhead (oops! Domino) likes to point out, I'm as fik as fuk.

One thing I sussed about navigating Chiang Mai is that a lot of the road name signs are laid out differently to those in most other cities: If you're not familiar with the place, it's easy to head down the road at right angles to the one you want because the signs are angled in a way that suggests you should. Odd. Worth bearing in mind by first time visitors.

Not to mention that road names seem to change "at will". You are going down one road and on the other side of the intersection, it' has a different name. (Need a good map - which is free at tourist info at the airport - as long as you don't mind the rong ploi - big jewelry store - ads. BKK on one side, Chiang Mai on the other)

I've always found the Nancy Chandler map of Chiang Mai to be a really good one, even though it lacks the night spots for the most part. I think the one-page Sanukmaps one for Chiang Mai is pretty good too for just sticking in your pocket. It's probably also worth noting that the Dante Bar's map isn't exactly to scale, though it's got the basics mostly down. The big Starbucks, for example, next to the Suriwongse, really isn't all that big, and the hotel really comes a bit closer to the night market road that it appears on the map. But it does give the idea of how funny Terry's situation was. (Though I met a tourist there last trip who had been desperately trying and trying for nearly an hour to find a place that was only a hundred yards away...)

Hey, Terry, as long as you can manage your way back to your hotel all the rest is gravy! :)

Domino arrived in C Mai at about 10 pm. Like Joseph, May and little baby Jesus, he had to try 4 or so places until he got a room for the night. He then went shopping, bought some software and, like Samus, he bought Sim2. He has already created a few characters, male spammers with some sex related issues. More of that anon.

He prefers Philok's night market to C Mai's. In Philok, he bought lots of little things for his grand daughter. The women he bought them from made the themselves. What especially endears him to the markets of Philok, Si Saket etc, is that he sees the locals, young guys with their girls, housewives working on a budget etc and this helps dispel the Vitamin V toxins of Pattaya etc. Domino values that.

On the plane over he was beside a young lady from Buriram, returning from her fiance who is a US military guy in Japan. Domino has his meishi card but as he is a gentleman, he will not divulge the details. Domino checked her passport (he even checks IDs of babes on planes). She is 21, he is "older than Domino" who is in his mid 50s. She tells Domino many times " I do not like him. I love him". I asked where did they met, thinking Pattaya or Bkk. She says: Operation Cobra Gold in Buriram at one of its many discos. ( So SA is on the money there) She said she never spoke English prior to meeting him and she has now been in Japan for 5 months (2+ 3 months, no problem getting visas). She misses Thai food and there is only one other Thai lady on the base and "she is a *****". She was dripping crass gold, showing her mid riff etc and would have fit easily into Pattaya etc. Lover boy has psent big on her. I quizzed her about their interests, life in the camp etc. Though lover boy seems nice, I hope their marriage works out. I reckon she means well but the gods may be against them. The movie was White Bitches and her childish reactions to it were interesting. I would like to believe she quit school to be with him and that she was never a skank. She looks so childish II owuld like to believe her. Especially as she is someone else's babe.

I got my hair cut here from an ex Pattaya babe. I wonder which of you guys bank rolled her. She had lots of photos of her European trips on the walls. Niece lady, not a great haircut.

Nok air and its clones are pushing up prices and getting more jet setters to zoom into Philok, C Mai etc. Freeler: the PSB are now trying to get 50 baht for every lump of fuck meat you bring in there. Also, no more motor bike taxis from Philok Airport, it's metered taxis only.
Bottom line: Philok: stop in only if you want a cheap orgy and to visit Sukothai. Best to plane it to C Mai by booking a plane in advance. The bus and train are not worth it unless you want to do it in many stages. Domino will plane back.
C Mai: lots of good monks doing good monkly stuff. Lots of European etc couples doing the shopping trip. That is where the future is, not with horny mongers. Domino has teamed up with some nice Italian babes. We are hititng the pizza joints and shopping.

Aids. He also met some gay guys from Singapore up around Phreae. They had come from Nan. Did I mention that? The gay guys told me, with me prompting: the top Northern towns for ye olde Aids virus are: 1. B..... 2. C Mai. 3. C Rai. 4. Nan.

Behind the night market the Foxy Lady strip has turned increasingly gay. Some TVs were shouting after Domino that they would go long time with him or anyone else. The lady boy thing is an integral part of this culture. The tribes have high infection rates due to needles etc. Also, lots of hookers give their residential addresses in the four places above.
From Domino's experience: the prostitutes up this way are uneducated Thai peasants. Some cover their breasts, some smoke, all the outdoors Philok fuck meat for example would not smoke. All are serious health risks. They have no conception of safe sex. They by definition are unsafe sex. That applies especially down around Thape gate where Domino lurked last night. Such dragons.

Bottom line: I know most guys here look at Photos-Bkk-Pattaya and little else. In anceint Rome, the greatest boast was. Civilis Romanus sum. Today the greatest boast is: Ich bin ein Monger. Some people say chastity is the way of the future. I say: Let them come to the brothels of Northern Thailand. And see the insatiable appetite the Thais have for unsafe sex. When I post some of the photos, you guys will see that many of these 200 baht lumps of fuck meat are every bit as pretty as many Pattaya dancers and with the right procurer, they would be there, giving you their all.

Domino: I am not doubting your honesty but the story from the young lady from Buriram sounds a little suspicious to me. I spent some time in the US military and I can't recall ever seeing someone on active duty who was pushing 60 years old (or older). The only people I have heard of (in that age group) still on active duty is at the most senior officer levels or someone like the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. Perhaps General Myers has a secret TG.

Yeah, you do need to book ahead- three times a year:

Chinese New Year, Songkran, and Loi Kratong.

You came here during Loi Kratong, so of course you need to book ahead.

And Thapae Gate at night is only for lovers of lady-boys.

Domino,

Nice post, enjoyed the descriptive language.

Thumbs Up: Good point. The guy was in a support service. He has to spend three more years in the military. Whether he is still military or not, I do not know. What he was doing in Buriram and on Cobra Gold is beyond me. Maybe the military sends in lots of admin/civilian back up for that. As I said, she showed me his photo: on her new digital camera, one of those tiny high end ones Japan is so good at making. He seemed like a nice guy (she certainly thinks so) and he seems to be happy to spend $$ on her. If he has been single all his life, he probably has lots of spare dough. The wedding is in January. She is a sweet, naive, dumb kid. Her sister works for a "restaurant" in Bangkok. Guess what she brought her to celebrate: a few bottles of champage, some wine and 2 bottles of Johnny Walker. The wedding should be a blast.

I don't want to say more about him in case sokme horny military guys are lurking here but it is interesting to note the catchment areas of the husbands. Her English was very good btw. I find the Buriram disco bit hard ot accept myself and I figure it might be the fig leaf they choose to use. Best case scenario is he wilkl do a lot of bonking and pay through the nose for it.

Monks: Some dumbo was asking "do monks do this, do monks do that?". Of course, residents of Thailand and those into its culture would be much better able to answer than me. However, if anyone wants to meet monks and talk to them and see what they are at, you can visit their university in C Mai most evenings and let them improve their English by "interacting" with you. The Buddhist religion and its flag bearers, the monks and nuns, are integrated into Thai society far more than Christianity has ever been in the West. That is one of the interesting things one sees by moving around and no doubt a lot of people into the culture explore that more.

I got my sandals fixed in a small market. 20 baht for two new buckles and little pieces of leather to hold them on. Just think of that next time you give your hired lady 500 baht for a smile. You get a much bigger one by giving far less to someone who works.

Chiang Mai is a lot more normal than Pattaya as the money is more spread out. In Pattaya, the only ones who make money are the bar/brothel/go go owners and the hoteliers. Here, the cake is spread much more roundly.

Also, one sees ordinary Thai women and that has to be good.
It was a bad night last night weather wise so not too much fish at the Tapae Gate. Prices are from 300 baht up.

Pleased to hear you're fishing on the street. You're a brave guy, that's lady-boy and HIV terroritory, but I'm sure there is good fun to be had.

Looking forward to some holiday-snaps.

Hello coma boy
I am backin Chiang Mai soon and I brought my little Rose for a trawl through Tapae gate. Of course there are lady boys there, as there are in every Thai strolling district. I have a good idea of what to look out for and the chances of me getting Thai sausage are remote. There was one lady boy there last night, obvious form 500 years. Also four forgettable female fucks,really low quality.

As regards HIV: that comes with the show too. I recently posted C Mai has the second highest HIV rate in Northern Thailand. I am not too worried about that either. If I see something I like, fine. If not, fine. Frankly, I think we are at higher risk in Pattaya. Also, I am moving away from the p4p scene. Amazing what some quality can do to a guy:D

Skank facts: Tapae Gate is a landmark by the inner moat which demarks C Mai. It is near the Night market. Tapae Gate Road, which is perpendicular to the gate has lots of chap hotels and several mini hooker bar complexs. Up here, hooking is more discreet and, if sinking your dick in lotos of Thai skanks is your game, C Mai trails far behind Pattaya ec. The night market is useful for picking up cheap souvenirs but if you miss it you do not miss much. My advice: aim for the bakc packkers; they refresh a man.

[QUOTE=Domino]
My advice: aim for the backpackers; they refresh a man.
[/QUOTE]Yes, but they can also nauseate a man.

I think the backpacker hotties favour the beach; I only see about one good-looking Farang girl per month here in Chiang Mai.

Chiang Mai seems to attract mostly obese Farang girls.

I’d rather dig up Divine.

Then again, the Swiss girl I fucked a few weeks ago performed much better than the last hundred Thai chicks.

Made a nice change.

As regards HIV: that comes with the show too. I recently posted C Mai has the second highest HIV rate in Northern Thailand.

Fake same same HIV rate in all Thailand.

BG all over.

Br Steen 22

Domino was correct, there are very high HIV rates in Chiang Mai but this is mostly on the Thai scene, especially as we have lots of Chinese and Burmese immigrants here. The Thais are big bareback fans and so it's not suprising.

But, you're correct in that the HIV rate among bar-girls who cater for Farang is the same all over Thailand. The highest number of HIV cases are in Pattaya but the actual percentage infection rate is pretty constant across the country.

The scary thing are the Farang with HIV who go bareback, out for revenge.

I met some asshole at Spicy a couple of months back. He proudly told me that he had Herpes and yet enjoyed barebacking. He said if he turned the lights off the girls wouldn't notice and so they'd contract oral and vaginal Herpes.

When I reminded him that they would have Herpes for the rest of their lives his answer was simple- revenge: "I probably got it from a bar-girl anyway".

I translated his story to Thai for all the girls at his table and he soon left Spicy. Hopefully this piece of crap will catch something worse and die- the sooner the better.

imho, Northern Thailand has much higher documented HIV rates for a number of reasons, including the following:
1. many skanks register there even though they may not bonk there.
2. there is a high IV drug use rate.
3. The hill tribes have higher rates.
4. Certain practices break down resistance and open sores through which the virus can pass more easily. Chewing leaves and smoking opium would be two such habits.
More importantly perhaps:
a. Places like Pattaya have very high STI rates.
b. many hookers commute between the farang and non farang scenes. They are not mutually exclusive and entry is as easy for them as it is, in a more literal sense, for us.
c. the Thai scene is quite discriminating too and there are many layers to it.
d. We should not believe any propaganda that downplays the risks invovled in having sex with these fallen women. Nor should we believe that skanks who fuck farangs are qualitatively different from htose who fuck Thais.
e. On the positive (?) side, the doctors seem to be warning the skanks about bbbjs etc. So, awareness, for what it is worth, may have increased marginally on their side.

[QUOTE=Domino]imho, Northern Thailand has much higher documented HIV rates for a number of reasons, including the following:
1. many skanks register there even though they may not bonk there.
[/QUOTE]

I believe many go home to families for support (moral) when they register even though they may return to work down south.

HIV is a fact of life in any sexual situation, and any encounter.

I've seen posts here where guys go bareback because they didn't meet the girl in a bar, and she said "I've only been with a few men"

Well, I'm no male model, and perhaps they are, but I would wonder about a ladies sincerity if they said that and then jumped in the rack with you the first night!!

I had a relationship for up to 3 years with a lady in Central America and found out she was positive, I can't remember the math, but I was there often at that time so upwards of 400+ boinks, generally preceeded by oral. All boinks covered, all oral (sometimes to finish) uncovered.

The doctor said she was + for around 4 years (back in her wilder days)(I was with her at the doctors) but I tested a couple times and all neg!

Not to downplay the risks, but to say it's a crapshoot and going BB gives much better odds to the virus.

I'm not married, but do have a decent sex life her in the states and my biggest concern would be passing the virus on to any lady I've been with.

But California here one must be careful of too, I don't want to pass it on to a BG either!

Be careful out there

Migrant

That is a good post and a much better and informative one than many in the HIV sections. However, there are other variables involved. And those variables never show up in "The (mis)truth about Aids" etc sections where hard line libertarians preach their bs propaganda.

There are also ongoing comments that streetwalkers are riskier than others etc etc. Again, Seydlitz or Gladiator posted on taking a "College kid" who looked really glamerous until she opened her mouth and revealed herself to be an Isaan peasant. All of these women are high risk and the more fucking they do, the riskier they are. Go go girls are probably the riskiest of all. (I exclude glue sniffers etc). To claim the Thai sector is riskier is to claim Thais have a death wish we do not share.

How many of you guys live here in Chiang Mai? (Should you care to admit to it).

I'm based here but spend only two weeks per month here, rest of the time in Bangkok, and other parts of the country. Plus frequent visits to Laos and other surrounding countries for my every-ninety-day visa-holidays.

Moving down to Bangkok next year as I spend so much time there that I may as well buy a nice Sukhumvit apartment and be based there instead.

Okay, so own up, who else lives here?

Domino

why do you believe that Gogo girls are probably the riskiest of all ?
I don't see a reason why a bargirl should carry a lower risk. Best way to approach this problem is to avoid to think in (misleading) categories. For me each and every P4P girl carries the same risk. We never know what a girl has done before, maybe your freelancer used to work in a Gogo or in a MP during daytime, but being a freelancer at night you think she carries a lower risk, this doesn't make sense to me. Also do not forget, that the girls in a MP have a much higher frequency of different customers. There is only one way to protect yourself and others, NEVER EVER go bareback.

I am just back in Bangkok from 3 nights in Chiang Mai.

Nice cool weather at night and not too hot in the day.

Went for a bath at a place i believe was called Sayura. someone correct me if i am wrong. Here is what happened. The girl was decent looking with light skin and kind of a goofy face on a hot body including a bubble butt which is rare in Thailand. Her number was 106 behind the fish bowl. The rate was 2000B for 1 1/2 hour. The room was small and dark and the bathtub was small. The soapy body massage was O.k.
I got a CBJ and then i went to bang her and within 30 seconds she was screaming mercy for pain. I then proceeded to wrestling on the bed without much success for it became apparent that she was not going to let me fuck her. Also she had insisted on changing the condom after the BJ which seemed obvious that she was not very smart. Like her spit was going to be dirty for her snatch. She did finish me off with a CBJ. To my suprise when i met my buddy afterwards he told me he got the same treatment from the girl he had and did not cum. The place has a karoke bar as
well and i am not sure if any satifactory results come out of that place but the girls waiting to be picked for sing a song looked good. Also i believe a good map will come in handy as the tuk tuk drivers will take you to a destination even if they do not know where it is then driving in circles until you depart for a further search on foot.

[QUOTE=Globotto]
Went for a bath at a place I believe was called Sayura, someone correct me if I am wrong.[/QUOTE]Almost, it is called Sayuri.

Have never heard of any bad experiences similar to yours and I know a lot of their regular customers.

Perhaps she was new.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]How many of you guys live here in Chiang Mai? (Should you care to admit to it).

I'm based here but spend only two weeks per month here, rest of the time in Bangkok, and other parts of the country. Plus frequent visits to Laos and other surrounding countries for my every-ninety-day visa-holidays.

Moving down to Bangkok next year as I spend so much time there that I may as well buy a nice Sukhumvit apartment and be based there instead.

Okay, so own up, who else lives here?[/QUOTE]Me!

Globotto, the usual price for Sayuri is in the 800-1500 baht range -- if you took a tuk tuk there you contributed to the driver.

I never had any problem with girls there when it comes to sex, so I'd say you and your friend either had unusually bad luck or got scammed.

[QUOTE=Philo]Back again from LOS (sometimes that S must mean Sad things, or am I going soft-core?).

I liked CM, and had quite a few good moments there. Here's my MP-research (map is B&B City Streets Chiang Mai, around 165B):

Sayuri

Best in town. Good girls, nice management, first girls arrives around 2 p.m., asians in the front-of-fishbowl-sofas from around 3 p.m. Prices: 800B a wash-n-boom, 950B bodymassage (B-badges) and 1200B for superstar (M-badges). Rooms little bit worn, but you can have VIP-rom for a few reds... 50-100 motorbikes (=girls) from 5-7 p.m. Location: Bumrung Rat (Rajd) Soi 2 (Map: D10 exactly where map says 'BR 2').

The first time I went I said 'railway station' to the taxi-driver and belled him to stop at the junction of Bumrung Rat and Charoen Muang and walked from there (5 min.). Later I used 'Thanon Bumrung Raad Soi Soong' and walked the few last meters. In spite of dealing with 4-5 different 'mangager-sans' I was never asked for a baht more than mentioned over. My favourite......

New Nancy

OK place. 1300B for wash-n-boom (red badges), 1500B for bodymassage (blue badges). Worn rooms. Never saw many girls, but the ones I had was nice... Walking distance (5 min. from Tha Pae Gate). Located in Chiang Mai President Hotel (Map: C8, map says 'President').

Pandora

Hugh place. One time I saw 50-80 girls18-23. 1 h wash-n-boom 1110B (tax you now.......), 1.5 h 1440B. Rooms worn-out and dirty (I think my sheets was used before.....why do I care, the girl was probably so too?).

Map: E11, place not marked. Head for railway station, when you have passed Bumrung Rat start looking for big Shell-station on your right. Get of there. 10 m. further down, on the other side of Charoen Muang, there is a soi between a light green colored house and a pool/snooker joint. Walk this soi some 300 m. to a big white/gold roman-empire inspired right-hand-side building. You're home ...

Phucome

Big place, but never saw much of it. Went early (2 p.m.) Got a wash-n-boom for 1000B. Map B3 marked 'CM Phucome'. Take taxi to Phucome Hotel entrance. Pass the Trad. Mass. place (don't try to mention boom-boom there - I had to pay grandma a red and bow myself out backwards....) to your left and head for the parking area underneath the building. You'll see the neon signs.

Ping Payom

Got info from local thai. He said B800. Went tuk-tuk, left the place, returned walking 10 min. later. Ended up paying 1500B for bodymassage (thinking 800B was for wash-n-boom only). Good girls, but no matress for BM. Told manager, he admitted commision but had his own definition on BM: girl touch you with hand = BM. Ended up I should only pay 950B next time. If you are hard-core you will get it for 800B.

Best room in town: clean, delicate and discretely decorated (must be designed by a european reborn thai ....).

Map: D3, place not marked. Take taxi to junction Suthep/Nimmanhemin. Continue westwards on left side of Suthep to the first soi (may be a 100 m.). The MP has its entrance from the parking area inside/behind Ping Payom Hotel. Insist on 800B (unless the nice room is very important to you) ..........

philo
[/QUOTE]

There has been several questions on the 'raan ab ob nuad's of CM. As these tourists are too 'keekiat' to read old posts - this one is hereby recycled ...

ph

[QUOTE=Domino]Migrant
To claim the Thai sector is riskier is to claim Thais have a death wish we do not share.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree the risks are everywhere. I hate condoms, but other than BJ, would always use them. The lady in Central America and I got tested as a step in getting her a visa.

At 48, with all the inroads that medicine has done in extending the HIV+ lives, I guess that if I ever got it, despite my cautions, I would still have 20 years (I'm in decent shape and health) but I will continue to take my precautions because I do not want to be HIV+ and take a chance I might pass it on.

I still sometimes think of the CA lady and if I was in a position to move there, who knows??

Although it is a crap shoot, the odds have to be worse where women are made have sex. While all Thai skanks begin with the same risk profiles, in so far as go go skanks have to fuck all comers, they are, imho, at greater risk. Ditto all women lacking control for institutional or other reasons.

The problem with the HIV debate is it has been hijacked by libertarians and all kinds of parasites with their own self serving tales to spin. The scandal only first hit the headlines because of America's gays and they, quite naturally, followed their own self serving agenda.

The older skank I bonked from Thermae said she had a friend working out of there who was HIV+. Some, like the glue sniffers of Nakhon Si T I ran into are obvious disease and security risks. Others are less so. To imagine that uneducated over bonked go go skanks are somehow intrinsically cleaner than those who do not work in those fucky fucky hot houses is not very logical. But then again, the libertarans have spent about 20 years now muddying the waters on this one.

Also, it is not a question of one group being a lower risk. It is a quesiton of the other being a higher risk. Not semantic at all. The initial problem was that the US gays distracted the studies at the outset because they were the first, vocal, articulate group to be whacked. The debate has been skewed ever since.

To believe that the HIV rates in Thailand and Uganda have fallen is to believe in bs. The risks are real and unavoidable. And the same goes for hepatitis and lots of other nasties, some of which John Skinless and others got.

psychological perspectives: misinformation about hiv/aids persists

by michael catalanello, ph.d.

scientists first identified the virus which causes aids in 1984. since that time, despite an explosion in our knowledge and understanding of the disease and campaigns to disseminate accurate and qualitative information, many patently false and misleading ideas concerning hiv/aids ideas continue to circulate.

such misinformation is not confined to the poor and ignorant. last week a report issued by u.s. congressional representative henry waxman revealed that programs funded by the u.s. government are guilty of disseminating faulty information pertaining to the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, among other issues.

these erroneous ideas often contribute to stigma, discrimination, and unnecessary suffering of people living with hiv/aids, their families, caregivers, and others. furthermore, experts tell us that ignorance and misinformation help promote the spread of the epidemic. here is a small sampling of some of the myths concerning hiv/aids that permeate our society:

hiv/aids is primarily a disease of the gay community

because aids first appeared among gay men in the united states, early speculations associated disease transmission with activities that are peculiar to homosexual men. already existing negative stereotypes against gays were further reinforced by these suggestions. before long, however, hiv/aids gained a foothold within the heterosexual population where it continues its relentless spread. it is now clear that it is primarily unprotected sex and the sharing of needles by iv drug users that transmits the virus. the sexual orientation of those engaging in such behaviors is irrelevant.

you can tell if a person has hiv/aids by looking at him/her

this one persists, despite longstanding efforts by aids activists and educators to debunk it. there is, in fact, no way to tell if a person has the virus simply by looking at him/her. we now have a medical test designed to detect the antibodies produced by the immune system after exposure to hiv. even hiv antibody tests, however, can yield false negative results if the person was recently infected. medical authorities tell us it may take as long as three months for antibodies to develop to a level where they can be detected in the blood. thus, a person can look healthy and test negative while carrying the virus in his bloodstream.

you can get hiv/aids from using drugs

the use and abuse of illicit drugs is a serious problem for many people. the use of such drugs, however, can not in itself cause hiv infection or aids. those who inject drugs using needles which were previously used by a person who is hiv+ stand a high risk of becoming infected. this is because the used needle might contain small residues of blood too small to be seen, but containing enough virus to transmit the infection. it is the sharing of needles, not drug use, which puts the person at risk.

condoms are
unreliable in
preventing the transmission of hiv

it is quite clear that condoms provide the most effective means of avoiding infection through sexual intercourse. the national campaign promoting condom use by the thai government in the early ‘90s is widely credited with dramatically reducing infection rates, making thailand a model for hiv prevention. the major risk in using a condom occurs in the event that the condom slips off or breaks. for this reason, it is usually recommended that a water-based lubricant, like ky jelly be used with condoms to further enhance the protection they offer.

if i stick to one partner i can’t become infected

if you are hiv- and if you remain faithful to one sex partner, and if your partner is also hiv- and if that partner remains faithful to you, you are safe. that’s a lot of “ifs,” and it is becoming more common for a faithful wife, who erroneously assumes her husband’s faithfulness, to become infected by her husband.

you can contract hiv from the body fluids of an infected person, including sweat, tears, and saliva. you can contract hiv by kissing an
infected person.

this one most likely started when it was publicized that the virus is found in human body fluids. fortunately, the concentration of virus in sweat, tears, and saliva is not sufficient to cause the infection of someone coming in contact with them. blood, seminal fluids, vaginal secretions and breast milk, however, do carry sufficient concentrations capable of transmitting infection. these fluids then must find a route into the bloodstream of another person in order for infection to occur.dr. catalanello is a licensed psychologist in his home state of louisiana, usa. he is a member of the faculty of liberal arts at asian university, chonburi. address questions and comments to him at [email]mrep001@asianust.ac.th[/email]

Duni: Interesting article. One of the main problems, as I see it, was that HIV got initial exposure in the USA and gays and liberatarians had to spin the tale to suit their own agendas. A huge industry then began with libertarians getting grants to "measure" the infection rate of group A against group B. This meant they had to look for things to measure, such as circumcision, a handy thing in the States where a lot of guys are cut. BUt totally meaningless, as are all fgigures from Africa and, I would wager, most N Thailand HIV figures, and all indications that "safe sex" (sic) is on the rise.

A better starting point would have been Japan (or S Korea) with negligible circumcision rates and negligible HIV rates and then trying to figure out why the rates were higher with gays, skanks, Africans, Thais etc. I would imagine that Viagra etc break down the resistances the same way the stuff the gay guys do.

The gay guys also do some freaky stuff like fisting. And their fuck rates were incredibile. Either a great diet or a break down in immune systems..

I cannot see any good figures emerging on using Thai skanks as 1. no one really cares (look how few hits the "safe sex" sections get; 2, as a political problem, HIV has been solved; 3. too much money at it the way it is. Shit, some guys here even say they would not mind too much if they contracted it.

Must we have all this HIV talk in the Chiang Mai thread?

Please, please move it to the relevant section.

It's giving CM a bad name!

Domino

Point well taken. The transfer rate is the highest where un-protected sex is the norm, such as the truck drivers in India. BTW, India is on the road to become the largest HIV affected country.

Viagra does not break down resistance, but if one has anal sex the transmission rate is very high since the skin inside breaks easily and becomes the conduit to the virus. So the more V one takes, the longer the session, and more chance to contract the disease.

HIV is probably not on the rise in BKK/Pattaya scene but in Northern Thailand the lack of education, is contributing more. However, the complacency of certain mongers just scares the hell out of me. They think that now there are medicines available, it's just another STD which can be cured. They need to know the virus is mutating and there are now quite a few number of strains and not all of them have medicines available.

Time to move this topic off to the Safe Sex section.

Domino

Point well taken. The transfer rate is the highest where un-protected sex is the norm, such as the truck drivers in India. BTW, India is on the road to become the largest HIV affected country.

Viagra does not break down resistance, but if one has anal sex the transmission rate is very high since the skin inside breaks easily and becomes the conduit to the virus. So the more V one takes, the longer the session, and more chance to contract the disease.

HIV is probably not on the rise in BKK/Pattaya scene but in Northern Thailand the lack of education, is contributing more. However, the complacency of certain mongers just scares the hell out of me. They think that now there are medicines available, it's just another STD which can be cured. They need to know the virus is mutating and there are now quite a few number of strains and not all of them have medicines available.

Time to move this topic off to the Safe Sex section.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]How many of you guys live here in Chiang Mai? (Should you care to admit to it).

I'm based here but spend only two weeks per month here, rest of the time in Bangkok, and other parts of the country. Plus frequent visits to Laos and other surrounding countries for my every-ninety-day visa-holidays.

Moving down to Bangkok next year as I spend so much time there that I may as well buy a nice Sukhumvit apartment and be based there instead.

Okay, so own up, who else lives here?[/QUOTE]Well, better late than never, but I will admit to it. I've been here about nine months.

T

So that's just three people; JXXXL, Thrillseeker and Coma Boy- what a quiet little town.

I expect we often see each other without knowing.

Hey bros,

Is there any direct flight from Hadyai to Chang Mai? And if there is, how much will it cost me?

Thanks

Hi all - I've looked through the thread and can find little or nothing about hotels in Chang Mai - can amyone recommend modest hotels - ideally reasonably central and with a swimming pool - possibly near the 'fun' areas - of course, guest friendly. Are all hotels guest friendly in Chang Mai? - the Riverside Lodge for example? Grateful for any information - name - proce - standard.

thanks very much

Steve

Duang Tawan, Rydges Amora, or Imperial Mae Ping.

I always use [url]www.precisionreservations.com[/url] to book.

No direct flights from CM to HY, you have to change at Don Muang.

I have used the Top North Hotel on most of my stays. Good value, like 600baht a night. No charge for extra ladies.

Very close, directly next to, and across the street from 2 major entertainment venues. Nice pool, onsite massage and restaurant....

Give it a shot!

Spicy has now moved to Nice Illusion, and Nice Illusion is no more.

Checked out their re-opening last night; the new Spicy is as good as ever- great food as always, and most importantly, plenty of available chicks.

It's called the Raming Lodge. It just opened a few weeks ago. It's an upscale boutique hotel for 1200-1400 baht per night. No problem bringing guests, and it's in a superb location, on Loi Kroh road one block away from the bars at the corner near the Taphae gate, and around an 8-10 block walk to the Night Bazaar.

I just checked out of the Rydges Amora and moved to this place, because the Rydges wouldn't honor my 1400 baht ($36 US) rate from Precision Reservations when I wanted to extend my stay. They wanted to hit me for 2000 baht on the extended days. The Raming Lodge at 1200 baht is MUCH nicer, except that it doesn't have a swimming pool.

Yes, that's a nice new place, and certainly a good location. Shame it doesn't have a pool.

Not boutique though, if you want a boutique hotel you have two choices- Tamarind Village or Rachamanka.

IMHO, Raming Lodge is almost as nice as Tamarind Village, and slightly better located.

Now that the election is over bars at CEC can now stay open as late as they like.

No more having to walk the streets for street-meat!

Does anyone have any knowledge of this girl? She goes by Nonny and is about 32.

She has offered to show me around Northern Thailand and has said she works in Chiang Mai, so I was curious. I am under no dislusions, but a good english speaking tour guide to show me around the Thai culture and an insight into the bar girl scene for the cost of maybe a few meals is good for me.

Trust me, I do not intend to send a bar girl money each month. And, so far, she hasn't asked for any money, in the great LOS tradition.

From reading this board, and all the discusion of HIV, correct me if I am wrong, it dosn't seem like much mongering is happening in Chiang Mai. So, a good insight into the girl scene is probably a good thing.

[QUOTE=Need Some]Correct me if I am wrong, it dosn't seem like much mongering is happening in Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]There is loads of mongering happening in Chiang Mai. It is IMHO the best place after Bangkok for girls. The average monger is too stupid to travel North because all they have heard about is Phuket and Pattaya.

If you can provide a few more details I will PM you with the low-down on your girl.

Can anyone provide a "short list" of mongering opportunities in Chaing Mai? I'm looking for recommendations on soapies, go-go's, beer bars and other night clubs.

-Mr Blonde

This is absurdly short and leaves out a large number of things, of course, but...

Soapies:
Sayuri and Pandoras (east over Narawat Bridge past the river)
Phucome (west side, past old city)
New Nancy (attached to Chiang Mai President Hotel)

GoGos:
Spotlight
Star Six

Beer Bars:
Along Moon Muang near Ratchdamnoen, and up Soi 2
Along Loi Khra, close to the Old City
Night Bazaar

Karaokes:
Mostly along Dornchai near the Chiang Mai Plaza

SWs:
Near Tapae Gate, but be careful of Katoeys!

Just to add to JZ's good advice. The collection of beer bars on Loi Khra (same same Loi Kroh?) Road is called Chiang Mai Entertainment Center (CEC). For later in the evening options, Bubbles Disco at the Pornping Hotel and, I understand, Spicy all night restaurant are worth a visit.

and like someone posted last year - to get to CEC just ask tuk-tuk to go to "Star 6" - ("dow-hok" in thai) right across the street

Foxy Lady is a great Go-Go (Thapae Soi 1).

All the Night Bazar bars moved to CEC, where there are about twenty bars, but don't ask for "Dao Hok" as Dinghy suggests- Kohn Thai also call this place Star Six, yet pronounce it "S'dar Sik".

Bubble isn't so popular these days thanks to the opening of Mandalay, a mega disco that attracts a good mix of bar-girls, freelancers, students and hi-so Thais.

I visited Thailand over xmas and made a visit to Chang Mai. A bit of research (on this site) and I was soon up and running. I managed to log on to this site at most of the internet café’s around Moon Marg (the main road - inside the wall – on the East side of the central city) .

On the eastern side of the walled city the Tha Phae gate is the easiest reference place. I will describe most of my directions from there. It is half way down the Eastern Wall with a big sign on it and a pedestrian area nearby.

SITE 1 = Gogo bar called “Moonlight”. This is located on the road parallel to Moon Marg on the outside of the moat (Thanon Kotchasan). Start at the Tha Phae gate. Cross the moat cross the road in front of you and trun right to walk down the pavement on the far side of that road. “moonlight” is about 50m – 75m on this road on the left.

I went in to moonlight a few times during happy hour for a 1st beer of the night. I didn’t thing the quality in there was great. It is a laid back place. Unless you call a girl over they will not come over and hassle you. So if you just want a beer and a view (if too early in the evening for serious business it is a place you can just pop into.

SITE 2 – Girly Bars ….. These are located on Thanon Loi Khraw close to the corner with Thanon Kotchasan. Start at the Tha Phae gate. Walk South on Moon Marg (inside moat), stay on the gate side of the road. Walk for 3 / 4 minutes until the next break in the moat with a road over it …. Traffic travelling into the walled city. Go over the moat against the flow of traffic. You will see a junction ahead of you this road is on Thanon Loi Khraw. The girly bars are over the next 30m of both sides of the road on Thanon Loi Khraw and to the left for maybe 3 or 4 bars up Thanon Kotchasan.

The bars have girls of varying quality … I must admit I spent more time drinking and playing pool than serious hobbying so I have not had a test drive of the girls in most of these pics..

I must admit I cannot remember the names of all the bars . But the first lady is my favourite. How could you not like a girl whos name is PORN ---- full name SILLY PORN. She was a lovely girl but wanted 1000 bhat for 45 mins short time plus barfine which is too much for Chang Mai at bar girl prices.


Silly Porn was at a bar about 4 bars up from the corner on the road parallel to the moat. This bar has a lock in after all the others are shut. The shutters come down but a small door in the front will be opened if they recognise you.

The next girls are from a bar about 4 bars down Thanon Loi Khraw on the left hand side of the road.


Barfine is 300 bhat … the rest is negotiable.
PS the pool table is awful but the girls are fun to play with !!!!!!!

SITE 3: This is the hard to find Entertainment complex (CEC). LOOK FOR FEDEX sign !!

Start at the Tha Phae gate. Walk South on Moon Marg (inside moat), stay on the gate side of the road. Walk for 3 / 4 minutes until the next break in the moat with a road over it …. Traffic travelling into the walled city. Go over the moat against the flow of traffic. You will see a junction ahead of you this road is on Thanon Loi Khraw. Walk down Thanon Loi Khraw for maybe 5 mins. Stay on the RHS of the road and look for an advertising sign with FEDEX on it.

Turn right by this sign and there is a row with maybe 20 bars there. Again the quality of girls is variable. There are one or two ladyboys about as well. My favourite bar was same same but different which is run by Mai. She is lovely. It took a lot of effort to persuade her to shut early and go with me. It was worth it !! – good luck to those that follow in my footsteps.

“Jim” is the ladyboy who works for Mai. He / she . is the really friendly and nice. If you say you are not into ladyboys you can laugh and joke / play pool with “Jim” in a none threatening atmosphere .. it is nice .. “Jim” and Mai are great people.

I have the contact details for most of these girls so you can PM me if you want more info .. always happy to help

Struggling with the photo's will try again later - need to reduce there size !!

The summit

Spotlight, not Moonlight.

Member #2967

Thanks for the correction - memory fade - it is Spotlight ---- moonlight was what I used to get home !!!

Thanks
the summit

What would you guys recommend for resturaunts?

Preferably ones that offer a world cuisine menu.

-Zzz

Dude, there are so many good restaurants here.

A lot of smaller, lesser known places are best, but well-known favourites, serving both Thai and international cusine, include:

Arctica
Dalaabaa
Good View
Riverside
The Cottage
Brasserie
Palaad Tawanron
Monkey Club

And about a zillion more.

Whether it is food or pussy you're eating, CM is a great place to dine.

If you want to know any other places, or more details, PM me.

Hi All,

I have now worked out photo posting rules ....
When all esle fails read the instructions .... It is actually really clear when you bother to read the rules ..

Anyway here are the first of the pic's refered to in MY post below...

NOTE: - No nude pic's included ...

Will post more later

the summit

All,

Should I put these in the photo section or post them with the "words" below ..

Comments welcome and I will implement next time .... which do you prefer ?

Summiteer,

I never liked CM that much and I haven't been there for so long that I could hardly remember why.
Your pictures put my memory back on track:
The girls in CM always wear clothes, even when they are getting pictured for a sextravel site:(!

PS Nice pics:)

Has anybody been in the Marin Bar on Loi Khro Road recently?

I have a reason for asking: I have lost touch with the Thai woman who owned the bar along with her sister in 2003, and I would just like to know how she's getting along. Call me foolish or call me sentimental if you like, but she was very good company for me on and off for a few trips from about 2000 until 2003.

She's called Nongnuch or Nuch (prononounced Noot) and she's a bit older than the average BG. I used to have her mobile number and called her maybe twice a year, but I haven't been able to get a connection for about a year. I occasionally sent her a card at the bar, again without a response recently.

So, if anybody out there has met her recently, or indeed knows if the Marin Bar has changed hands, I'd appreciate some news. It's no big deal, and I won't be able to get back to Thailand in the foreseeable future (I got a bit bored with it and have found Buenos Aires to be more exciting at present) but I'm still wondering how Nuch is.

I'm not putting any photos on the board, because she would certainly not appreciate it, and she does not know me by the name of Wally Foot, so I would sincerely hope that guys reading this don't start quizzing her if she is still at the Bar. At the same time if anybody has any news, I'd like to hear it.

So, does anybody know anything?

Wally Foot

The owner of Marin Bar is still the same girl, and she seems happy enough these days- still drinking and dancing and commanding her troop of girls.

I'll get you her new phone number if you want to contact her.

Hello,

For those who have stayed at either the Raming Lodge, the Duangtawan Hotel, or Tamarind Village, could you please give your feedback on the quality of these places? Likes or dislikes?

Thanks!

Inside the main gate on the eastern side of town, just 100 meters north you will see a half dozen Lao girls ranging from 18-25 years of age. They quoted me 300B for short time, 500B for long. If you don't have a hotel, there is one down the street that they like for another 200B.

Good luck and happy hunting,

Raming- good location for girls, in between the Loi Kroh bars and the CEC. Otherwise not a great location. No pool. Cheap, but clean, basic, nice rooms. Very new. Guest friendly.

Duang Tawan- good location for girls, very close to CEC and only a five minute walk to Loi Kroh bars. Very close to the Night Market and also useful for Star Six or Foxy Lady. Nice swimming pool, small but okay-ish gym, good jacuzzi. Reasonably priced, clean, nice largish rooms. Big new hotel. Guest friendly.

Tamarind- very cool boutique hotel, not a great location for girls but only a couple of minutes in a tuk-tuk from the action. No pool. Slightly expensive but not too expensive. Definitely the nicest rooms of these three hotels. Guest friendly.

If I went with a GF I'd stay at Tamarind (you should also consider Ratchamanka).

If I was there for pussy I'd stay at Duang Tawan.

If I was on a budget I'd stay at Raming.

[QUOTE=Baka Guy]Inside the main gate on the eastern side of town, just 100 meters north you will see a half dozen Lao girls ranging from 18-25 years of age. They quoted me 300B for short time, 500B for long. If you don't have a hotel, there is one down the street that they like for another 200B.
[/QUOTE]I know a lot of these girls very well, actually most are Doi-girls or Burmese, but there are a couple of Lao chicks also.

There is a good reason that they work the streets and it isn't because they don't have Thai identity cards.

I even drove one to hospital last week to pick up her HIV medication.

Wrap up well with these chicks, very very well.

I really enjoyed Raming Lodge, although I wish that it had a pool, as Coma Boy mentioned, it doesn't. But I thought that the location was rather ideal.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]I really enjoyed Raming Lodge, although I wish that it had a pool, as Coma Boy mentioned, it doesn't. But I thought that the location was rather ideal.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you definitely need a pool, it is starting to get fucking hot now that hot-season is upon us.

2041, thank you for using my real username. Are you another victim of an unwanted name change?

CB / 2967

I'm free to spend as much time in Thailand as I want for the next six months. I've only been to Bangkok and Pattaya Beach. I would like to check out Chiang Mai since the heat in Thailand is hard for me to handle.

Could some one give me a brief comparison between the three cities. I'm hoping its not so crowded and stinky like Bangkok. Can I drive a motor cycle or is the traffic to ruff to handle? Both Pattaya and Bankok were very noisy.

Thanks

CM is a nice place. Not too busy but plenty of girls (although a lot, lot, lot less than BKK or Pattaya). Good prices, great weather, excellent food.

Best of all you don't need to be surrounded by Eurotrash who have just been released from prison as you do in Pattaya.

CM is very nice, has a huge expat population, which I hate, but says a lot for the town. Also CM is often referred to as "Thailand's most liveable city". Most people I meet here tell me they are in town for five days, and then I bump into them six months later to discover they've moved here.

Basically Pattaya is like a German city filled with a British prison population, with a million sexy but not particularly hot girls. There is nothing Thai about Pattaya.

Bangkok is very fucking cool, and I intend to move there from CM, but it is crowded, stinky, smelly and expensive.

And yes, CM is a perfect place to drive a motorbike, although one annoying, yet presumably practical, thing is the one-way system. This can take you a long way to travel a short way.

I've just bought my first bike and I assume it will mean an early grave. Funny, I'd always assumed my sexual antics would bring my demise.

"Live by the pussy, die by the pussy".

Member #2967,

You're in a reflective mood, aren't you?
For a brief moment I thought that both Poster and Philo had ripped your id from you...

I met a typical British ex-con in a town in central Thailand and he was of the opinion that Pattaya = Thailand. I let him talk (ex-con, British, drunk. Better let them talk:().
The funny thing in what you're kind of saying is that CM, like Pattaya, isn't 'Thai' either...
Very, very confusing!

Yes, feeling reflective today.

Although not as pensively reflective as P-L and not as aggressively reflective as Ph.

I think it is because I have bought a motorbike and fear I may perish soon, or perhaps it is because I have a wireless web-connection in my apartment now, and so many of my recent posts are typed while in bed, resting my laptop on a girl's ass, and gazing, half-asleep at Doi Suthep.

Chiang Mai certainly isn't very Thai these days either, but certainly a lot more than Pattaya. Plus, the Thai people here are certainly more Thai than those in Pattaya, if that makes sense.

Also, I doubt if "Chiang Mai" is as commonly an uttered word in British jails as "Pattaya". A buddy of mine served some time recently in a London jail (for drugs I might add, nothing violent or nasty) and he said Pattaya (pronunced Pa'aya by the illiterrati) was all his scumbag neighbours would ever talk about.

C-B.

Where is the CEC in relation to the night market? I'm travelling to CM during Songkran, and would like to see it, along with any other night spots that are recommended... ;)

CEC is about a three minute walk from Starbucks.

Very close to the Night Market, just off Loi Kroh Road, directly in front of The Imperial Mae Ping Hotel, and just down the road from Suriwongse and Duang Tawan hotels.

Will post a map when forum/computer stops being stupid and lets me do so.

[QUOTE=MrBlonde]I'm travelling to CM during Songkran.[/QUOTE]Good choice, most of the country heads here for Songkran.

Although there is a mass-exodus of the non-Thai residents. I used to enjoy it but now I fucking hate it. When it used to last a couple of days it was fun, but now it seems to last more than a week.

I'm fleeing to Hanoi and The Kok for a week. While CM is wet with water, I'll be wet with Vietnamese Nam Hoi.

I can't repost the map but here is the link to it:

[url]http://www.*************.info/forum/showpost.php?p=318240&postcount=289[/url]

Read thru all the past postings in this thread, and the said map seems highly recommended.

I wonder if any one knows if an online version is available.

Or is willing to scan his copy and share it with others here.

Your help is appreciated. Tks.

What is the taxi situation at Chiang Mai airport----are there metered taxis, I need to get to "night market" area.

Yeah, taxis from the airport are 120 Baht.

You pick up a ticket at the counter (immediately to your left as you leave the baggage pick-up area) and pay the driver upon arrival.

I'm planning to visit the north for the first time this July. I'll fly into CM from BKK and check out the action. I am also interested in visiting Mae Sai.

Have any of you mongered in the border town of Mae Sai? Is it worth the trip?

Any advice will be appreciated.

Ljohnson

I too am looking for information on Mae Sai, Pattaya, Hat Yai, Singapore, Bangkok, Phuket and a few other places not in Chiang Mai. I too can't be bothered reading the proper area of the forum and I know you lesser mortals have nothing better to do with your time than supply lazy lard laden lumps with free information. [QUOTE=Ljohnson]I am also interested in visiting Mae Sai. Have any of you mongered in the border town of Mae Sai? Is it worth the trip? Any advice will be appreciated. Ljohnson[/QUOTE]

Hi Lyndon,

Unlike Bashing Domino I am here to help a poor soul out:D. Yes MaeSai is worth a visit. The markets, the food (JOJO's diner). If you like bonkin the poorest of the poor from Myanmar, you've got an extra reason to go to MS. For me, the reason to go there is to walk around in this lively border town. A day without a fuck can still be day worth living.

On your way back to ChangRai, take a songthaew to ChanSaen first. It gives you a B25 chance to view the Mekong River and the 'triangle', the point where three nations meet.

Think of your schedule as follows: RR-MS 2 hrs, MS-CS 2 hrs and CS-CR 2 hrs. Leave CR early and have a nice day. Doing it from CM is to much travel in one day. Stay the night in easy going CR.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]What is the taxi situation at Chiang Mai airport----are there metered taxis, I need to get to "night market" area.[/QUOTE]

Shuffel bus to night market 35 Bath and yellow bus from main road 20 Bath
yellow bus all day until 6PM
Best regards Steen

[QUOTE=Steen22]Shuffel bus to night market 35 Bath and yellow bus from main road 20 Bath
yellow bus all day until 6PM
Best regards Steen[/QUOTE]

UHO---- All bus to bus meting place 400 meter from night market
Br Steen22

Which side of town is best for being close to the outdoor activity like treks or hikeing or anything else for staying active dring the day.

Any hotel suggestions in that are would help. 800 - 1200 baht

Thanks

For trekking, rafting, elephant-riding and other outdoor activities, it doesn't really matter where you stay.

Whoever is taking you will collect you from wherever you stay in town. Similarly, if you make your own way by motorbike or car then it doesn't really make any difference what side of town you start off from.

Other good daytime shit (other than fucking chicks in the ass), includes swimming, tennis, golf, paintball, waterfalls, shooting guns, go-karts; all of these are much closer to town.

And, what else, oh hotel. Well, for budget hotels I've heard good things about Raming Lodge (Loi Kroh Road). There is a new serviced apartment/hotel called Royal Peninsula that I am keen to try, perhaps you should give that a go. For a more hotelly-hotel Suriwongse is a good location and probably around that price.

Pretty much every hotel here is guest-friendly.

Also, Pagoda Inn is a cute little place and is real cheap.

I've just heard that Dante, my favourite CEC bar, has closed down, nevermind was getting bored of CEC anyway.

If you pass that way check out Cheeky-Girls bar.

2697,

Can you recommend any good short-time hotels in CM? I've used the Top North before and it was OK. I was just wondering if there was anything better out there.

Hi JXXXXXXL.

I have my own place here, but whenever I've been dragged off to a ST room it has normally been to one of the backpackerish guesthouses in the maze of sois to the North of Loi Kroh.

In the Santiitaam area there are millions ST rooms, or "Rong Rehm Man Rood" (drawn-curtain hotels) as the Thais call them. These typically cost 150 Baht/hour, or 250 Baht for a few hours.

(Incidentally, short-time in Thai is "Chua Krao", and long-time "Tang Keun").

Also there are others on Thanon Kamphaeng Din.

If you're going with a hooker then you should just ask her to suggest somewhere, but I suspect as you've asked here instead you may be having an affair. I recall you were living here with a GF.

Enjoy the short-times.

Coma / 2967.

Actually, just looked at your post again.

It is unlikely that many of these places will be nicer than Top North. I've never been to Top North and it appears to be a cheap hotel, one-step up from the guesthouses, but given it's popularity, reputation and location it will certainly be more pleasant than actual hotels intended for ST encounters.

Then again, some ST-hotels here are reputed to be very nice, as they are where Thai men take their mia noi.

I shall slowly gather some names and addresses for you.

2967.

Coma,

Thanks very much for the info.

"If you're going with a hooker then you should just ask her to suggest somewhere, but I suspect as you've asked here instead you may be having an affair. I recall you were living here with a GF."

Yep, I'm living up here with the missus and she's got eyes everywhere.
I'm not having an affair, but more looking for a place to bring a hooker from time to time. As you know, there are so many great opportunities in CM, but it's a big risk for me to be seen with a gal at any of the legit bars here.

The Top North is nice, but it gets full and I don't like getting stares from all the trekker types. I actually have a few Thai friends who keep discreet condos for shagging. Just a studio that's been done up nicely - surprisingly cheap but I'm not ready to make the investment. It's a perfect setup for an attached guy.

Keep us posted if you hear of any good places and I will do the same.

Cheers

P.S. Keep up the good work with the photos

I was up in CM last year and planning another visit soon. I saw this info, which for some reaon was in the Pattaya section (?)

[QUOTE=Samu Ray]Today is May 7, 2005. I am in Chiang mai. A while back someone needed information on the "day time *****houses" on Nimmanhaemin Road. Just visited the place. One is closed, two are open from 10:00am to 4:00pm.

They were originally three houses. The one on the right is closed. The one in the middle has around 10 young *****s, two or three with good body! Bring your own comdom or you will be charged 40 bt. I paid 300 bt to screw, 90 bt for a beer. Around $ 10 all! Some of the night *****houses where I took nice girls to my hotel in the past, have been closed! There are two places close to "Chiang Mai" hotel, I haven't visited them.They look expensive I will report on them later. I hope this helps anyone![/QUOTE]I seem to remember that Nimanhaemin Road was quite a long road. ANyone got more specific info?

Thanks,

Flash

Hi,

I have recently moved to chiang mai from the UK (2 weeks). I have been here before several times before and love the place really nice climate and not full of drunken morons. But for the life of me cannot get my head around the directions that some of the helpful posters place on this site.

I was wondering if someone could recommend a good easy to follow map that would be good for someone that never joined the boy scouts.

I do like to get out and sample some thai women (short time only, girlfriend would cut my bollock off), but since I have been her I have been unable to find any good places. I am not really into soapies, I just want to find somewhere to get some quality horny little thais and some good short time places. Any help, info would be grately appreciated.

Regards to all fellow mongers out there.

You can rent out a decent little condo from as little as 2500 Baht per month.

Nothing special, but somewhere to escape from the wife, and somewhere to take anyone you don't want to be seen checking into a hotel with. Also it will be much nicer than most ST hotels in town.

Chiang Mai is sometimes refered to as "The Big Pineapple", apparently because it has eyes everywhere. Although, I am not sure in what way a pineapple has eyes.

[QUOTE=Damn Shame]For the life of me I cannot get my head around the directions that some of the helpful posters place on this site.

I was wondering if someone could recommend a good easy to follow map that would be good for someone that never joined the boy scouts.[/QUOTE]Try the map section on [url]www.chiangmainews.com[/url] or [url]www.citylife-citylife.com[/url].

This place really is easy to naviagate once you've been here for a few hours, plus it is easy to pick-up a simple map once you arrive.

[QUOTE=Member #2967]You can rent out a decent little condo from as little as 2500 Baht per month.

Chiang Mai is sometimes refered to as "The Big Pineapple", apparently because it has eyes everywhere. Although, I am not sure in what way a pineapple has eyes.[/QUOTE]Holy crap, that is cheap. I really don't take short time that often, but it would be nice to have my own shag pad. I've been doing Sayuri about once every couple of weeks when I need some strange but I'm getting bored with it.

CM is definitely 'small' especially if your partner is a local and has a big circle of friends. And, they are especially keen to watch what the farang husband is up to when wifey is not around. I stick out like a sore thumb wherever I go. Luckily I get down to BKK a few times a month.

[quote=flashheart]i seem to remember that nimanhaemin road was quite a long road. anyone got more specific info?[/quote]it is a long road, and there used to be (and maybe still are) a few burmese brothels in the sois leading off this road about one-third of the way down.

i'm not a brothelist but i hear there are brothels rep001tered all over town- santiitam being the area best known for it. brothels, after all, make up over 90% of the thai sex-industry. thai policemen, tuk-tuk drivers, and other middle-aged thai men will probably have all the best brothel knowledge.

incidentally, nimmanheimin road has a restaurant called "fine thanks". the staff here are weighed on arrival each day and are fined if they have gained any weight. it is definitely the restaurant in town with the hottest waitresses and so its clientelle are mostly groups of thai men enjoying the hospitality. a very good place to collect phone numbers.

Damn Shame, I found the Nancy Chandler map (which can be picked up at the Suriwong Book Center, among other places) to be very helpful, but I also found it helpful to print out the Chiang Mai map from the Yahoo Sanukmaps group to carry around. It's a bit out of date at this point in terms of a couple of mongering locations, but it's a decent map and small enough to pop into a pocket or wallet.

I've been here two days at the raming lodge. 1400B seems expensive but it is a nice hotel. I will look for a nice guest house for the long term.

I've been very frustrated trying to get a good looking girl to go home with me. I've learned that the good looking ones just make money on drinks. I hate this way of luring people to the bar. Fortunatly I have what they want. So I'm eligable to have one as a girl friend If I want to play that game. They want some one for the whole vacation or someone that will stay for long time in Chiang Mai. I can stay as long as I want and I can afford them. And I'm not too fat and ugly. Nit Noi

As said before in this forum, don't come here expecting another Pattaya. I despritaly need to know of a place I can go during the day and get quick nasty short time, any time I want and I haven't found it yet. I don't like soapies that much, just sex. Please help!

I'm mostly here to get healthier by hiking and mountan biking so I'm enjoying this so far.

I did have some short time at a bar down the road with a skinny little hotty but she kept pressuring me to stay at the bar so she could get drinks. I know they make money on lady drinks every were in thailand but here it seems to be the most important thing and sex for money is second. I hate the attitude. Bar fine 400 short time 800. and she ordered the best room service meal they had. I guess I should have done the ordering.

Now I know what they want and I met a nice girl in a bar and told her "I'm here for a long time, I don't have to work anymore and I want a thai girl friend." I'll see her tomorow during the day as friend only at first. I'll se how this goes. If this is the process I'll play along. I do want a thai girlfriend but don't want problems. Is this possible? I know answer already.

[QUOTE=Johnson45]I've been here two days at the raming lodge. 1400B seems expensive but it is a nice hotel. I will look for a nice guest house for the long term.
QUOTE]You could give the lanna 3 serviced apartments a try on heaukeaw road (spelling please) just after the big dunkin' donut shop on the right hand side of the road as you travel up. i stayed there for just over a month and the place was ok and very reasonably priced. Also the most important thing for me there was no noise from the traffic. If not try the condotel 4 futher down the road towards the city on the same side.

I am like yourself and not really into the soapy scene so if anyone has any ideas on where to go for a good short time during the day or otherwise i would love to here them.

Regards to all fellow mongers.

[QUOTE=Damn Shame]You could give the Lanna 3 serviced apartments a try on Heaukeaw Road (spelling please) just after the big Dunkin Donut shop on the right hand side of the road as you travel up.

If not try the Condotel 4 further down the road towards the city on the same side.[/QUOTE]Spelling: Huay Kaew Road.

Those places are a little too far outside of town; good if you have a nice motorbike, but otherwise you're destined for a life of tuk-tuks and rot-dangs. There are plenty of guesthouses/apartments offering monthly rentals that are more centrally located.

Try Verachai Court, Royal Peninsula, Top North, City View, Lai Thai, Royal Lanna etcetera.

I finally went to one of those soapies after striking out every were. It was 2000 baht to catch a chill. Hot then cold then hot. I can not stay horny for this. In pattaya the soapies are 1500 for two girls. Here its 2000 for one.

Some one please help! Is there any p4p here? I don't want soap, or beer, or baths or massage, just p4p.

I don't mean to offend anyone living here. Please help.

[QUOTE=Johnson45]Someone please help! Is there any P4P here? I don't want soap, or beer, or baths or massage, just P4P.

Please help.[/QUOTE]So, just go to a brothel dude.

Or take a bar-girl home without drinking first.

Or pick up a street-walker.

And if you do return to a soapie you need not pay so much, certainly no more than 1000 Baht. Perhaps you were wearing a newbie-hat.

Johnson,

There is a decent soapy (Phucome) for 900b under the Phucome Hotel at the far end of Huay Kaew Rd, about 1km past Nimmanhemin. The hotel is at the intersection with a divided busy street, at least 6 lanes. As you are facing the hotel lobby, walk to the left into the parking area which is actually under the building. Look for the neon. Go up the stairs. Use the papasan's recommendation with caution.

SB

[quote]So, just go to a brothel dude.

Or take a bar-girl home without drinking first.

Or pick up a street-walker. [quote/]Thats exactly what I want but can't find. please give me and exact location.

Someone said ther are some on Nimmanhaemin Road but thats road is miles long.

Thanks for ur help. Exact locations of brothels and street walkers is exactly what i am looking for. I feel i'm getting closer. with your help member maybe i will have it.

The only bar girls i see are ugly and will go home or qute and will not go home. What am i doing wrong. Im not ugly or fat or old or poor.

Thanks,

LOL

Johnson- some hang out near the Taepae Gate inside the moat (depending on time of night) katoey "problems", there, tho...

[QUOTE=Member #2967] Perhaps you were wearing a newbie-hat.[/QUOTE]Your probably correct. I think the dumb newbie thing I did was ask the taxi driver to take me there. This was done out of desperation more then anything. They alway take you to the most expensive and get there cut. I did it again yesterday. I told a different driver I wanted to look and pick and have her come home with me. No soapy's just a brothel. He took me to the type of place I was looking for. They brought out a bunch either ugly or fat girl and said it was 2500 for one night. I tried for 1500 but didn't want to argue too much so I payed 2000. Also out of desperation again. I pick the only qute skinny one and she was great.

I'm not going to spend this much any more since I'm not desperate and more. I'll find the best place or girl friend eventually.

Thanks for everyones help.

I have been searching through this thread and seen the Sayuri Massage Parlour mentioned a few times. I was wondering if anyone had a bit more info on the place with regards to up to date prices and does that include full service.

Any advice always appreciated.

Cheers

Sinkorswim

Sayuri is popular as ever, and generally has a good selection of girls.

Last time I went I paid 1000 Baht for two-hours full-service and I tipped the girl an extra 500 Baht as she did an excellent job.

But on previous ocassions have been asked for prices between 700 Baht and 2000 Baht. Am not regular enough there to know what the actual price should be. The manager once told me the pricing is determined by how drunk or "American" the customers appear.

There is another similar venue called Pandora's that you may like.

Would be good to hear from any regulars at these places.

JXXXXL is the man to ask.

So, JXXXXL, please give us the Sayuri lowdown.

Thanks, CB.

If possible can you give me the location of the Sayuri MP.

Thanks in advance for yor help.

[QUOTE=Member #2967]JXXXXL is the man to ask.

So, JXXXXL, please give us the Sayuri lowdown.

Thanks, CB.[/QUOTE]Coma,

Your assessment is pretty accurate; I'll try to add a bit.

Prices vary a lot depending on the individual. If you frequent the place or are introduced by a local, you will get a better price. I pay around 1,000 for a VIP room which is slightly larger than the normal room and has a big heart shaped tub. I tried the standard room one time and could barely fit in the tub by myself - I swear I'm not a fat blob.

The best time to go there is around 18:00 which is when most of the girls' shifts start. Before that, the pickings can be pretty slim.

The girls have different letters on their badges and I don't know what they all mean. The "B" means body massage which is slip and slide on a rubber mat. I typically go for a simple bath and shag. Sometimes, I bring a change of clothes and use the place to freshen up before going out for the night.

My best experience there was with a group of Thai friends. We got the super VIP room which has a karoke room and two bedrooms with baths. There were five of us and five girls. We drank and had some food, then started playing some games with the girls. One friend ordered a plate of cucumbers from the waiter and we got three of the girls doing a lesbo show with the veggies. Awsome!!! Then it was a big shagfest.

I'm not sure how newbies can get a good price other than finding a way to get there without hiring a tuk tuk. It's not far to walk from Narawat bridge.

There are some other soapies in CM, but I think Sayuri has the best selection and most consistent service. If you're not a local, I recommend you stick to this place.

I hope you ate the cucumbers afterwards.

Waste not, want not.

Think it is Bumrungrat Soi 2.

My buddy just told me about a new hotel/apartment in town- Viangbua Mansion; looks pretty cool.

[url]http://www.viangbuamansion-chiangmai.com/[/url]

Odd location, but probably a good place to stay long-term and close to Santiitam for all you Burmese-brothelists.

There are loads of new places opening here, within a year we will have a Dusit (D2), a Shangri-La, a Chedi, and a Banyan Tree. Plus, a Mandarin opened about six-months ago. The D2 will probably be THE place to stay in town when it finally opens. I'll probably spend several nights there depsite owning an apartment.

Anyway, on the Viangbua Mansion website found this cool map.

CEC is just above Imperial Mae Ping, and Santiitam is just below Novotel. I keep mentioning Santiitam but only recommend that area if you like the darker things in life, it's not really newbie turf.

Fuck, it's getting late, I'd better head out for honey.

[QUOTE=Member #2967]My buddy just told me about a new hotel/apartment in town- Viangbua Mansion; looks pretty cool.
[/QUOTE]
I just took a tour of the place two days ago and it is very nice. Internet is important to me since a make money in online poker tournaments and can't tolerate a bad connection. They have wireless internet through out the building for 500 baht a month. This saves you from have to sign up with a service.

The studios were large but no kitchenette. The one bedrooms looked like luxury aprtments with a large kitchen and living room. 22,000 a month though.

Only a few english channel.

[QUOTE=Philo]Back again from LOS (sometimes that S must mean Sad things, or am I going soft-core?).

I liked CM, and had quite a few good moments there. Here's my MP-research (map is B&B City Streets Chiang Mai, around 165B):

Sayuri

Best in town. Good girls, nice management, first girls arrives around 2 p.m., asians in the front-of-fishbowl-sofas from around 3 p.m. Prices: 800B a wash-n-boom, 950B bodymassage (B-badges) and 1200B for superstar (M-badges). Rooms little bit worn, but you can have VIP-rom for a few reds... 50-100 motorbikes (=girls) from 5-7 p.m. Location: Bumrung Rat (Rajd) Soi 2 (Map: D10 exactly where map says 'BR 2').

The first time I went I said 'railway station' to the taxi-driver and belled him to stop at the junction of Bumrung Rat and Charoen Muang and walked from there (5 min.). Later I used 'Thanon Bumrung Raad Soi Soong' and walked the few last meters. In spite of dealing with 4-5 different 'mangager-sans' I was never asked for a baht more than mentioned over. My favourite......

New Nancy

OK place. 1300B for wash-n-boom (red badges), 1500B for bodymassage (blue badges). Worn rooms. Never saw many girls, but the ones I had was nice... Walking distance (5 min. from Tha Pae Gate). Located in Chiang Mai President Hotel (Map: C8, map says 'President').

Pandora

Hugh place. One time I saw 50-80 girls18-23. 1 h wash-n-boom 1110B (tax you now.......), 1.5 h 1440B. Rooms worn-out and dirty (I think my sheets was used before.....why do I care, the girl was probably so too?).

Map: E11, place not marked. Head for railway station, when you have passed Bumrung Rat start looking for big Shell-station on your right. Get of there. 10 m. further down, on the other side of Charoen Muang, there is a soi between a light green colored house and a pool/snooker joint. Walk this soi some 300 m. to a big white/gold roman-empire inspired right-hand-side building. You're home ...

Phucome

Big place, but never saw much of it. Went early (2 p.m.) Got a wash-n-boom for 1000B. Map B3 marked 'CM Phucome'. Take taxi to Phucome Hotel entrance. Pass the Trad. Mass. place (don't try to mention boom-boom there - I had to pay grandma a red and bow myself out backwards....) to your left and head for the parking area underneath the building. You'll see the neon signs...

to be continued..........[/QUOTE]

To all you newbies talking about Sayuri. This report is an auto qoute (early 2003) from this thread.

Conclusion: You are as lazy (and stupid) as the girls.

Please do your reading first (tung mae man ja puat hua ...)

Ph

(The continuation is post # 97 or around that number)

[QUOTE=Philo]To all you newbies talking about Sayuri. This report is an auto qoute (early 2003) from this thread.

Conclusion: You are as lazy (and stupid) as the girls.

Please do your reading first (tung mae man ja puat hua ...)

[/QUOTE]
Who cares were those stupid soapies are. From what I read no one wants to know were they are. I certainly don't.

[QUOTE=Damn Shame]If possible can you give me the location of the Sayuri MP.

Thanks in advance for yor help.[/QUOTE]

Mr. Johnson

Supposing that you are able to read and that you are able to apply simple logic - here is the proof that your statement is false...

As for your opinion of MPs - I couldn't care less.

Have a nice day ...

Was tlkaing to a girl at a 7-11 about 100m from CEC. She and her sister just moved into town looking for a job. Ning was 28 and here sister 20. Took them to dinner at Chiang Mai Saloon fo some good pork chops. They ate them with relish as did I. Got Ning to go back with me to my hotel.

Got back to the hotel and we began kissing and talking. Her husband died, she has no children, and was looking to make a new start of things.

More hugging and kissing. I took her shirt off, then bra, and finally her pants. Suggested we take a shower together. Off we go lathering and playing with each other.

Back in bed, sucked her nipples to attention and some daty. She was not use to daty. No one had done that for her before. Got her wet enough before I slipped in that warmth.

Started with mish, then modified doggie, finished that way. Talked some more for about 30 minutes and had round 2. In the end gave her 2000 baht to help her out. But it was a very good time.

I recently visited Chiang Mai for the first time and I am sorry to say it was not for me, I found the CEC which was 5 minutes walk from my hotel and thought it was a complete dump.
This area may be OK if you take a girlfriend with you but I found the quality of the girls to be very poor, why would a quality girl work in Chiang Mai when she can go to Bangkok where the rates are higher.
I had intended to stay for 3 nights but flew back to Bangkok the next day, luckily I had kept my hotel room in Bangkok.

Went to Nancy's Bar next to the Mandalay Disco (which really rocks with hot girls). Met up with a girl who works there and goes to Chiang Mai University. She is 20yo, 4'10" and black hair. For the breast men, forget it - A's all the way.

Bar fine was 300 baht. We went to Mandalay dancing and ended up back in her room. Once in the door we just smacked lips together and took off each others clothes. I kissed her all over, her nipples, belly button, and then lots of DATY. When she came, she then went down on me. Good technique, not the best, but got me hard!

After she got me hard entered her very tight pussy. Some mish, doggie, and finished up with mish until I popped. After that we talked more and I left. Great time, gave her 1000 baht to her college tuition fund.

[QUOTE=Philo]To all you newbies talking about Sayuri. This report is an auto quote (early 2003) from this thread.

Conclusion: You are as lazy (and stupid) as the girls.

Please do your reading first (tung mae man ja puat hua ...)

Ph

(The continuation is post # 97 or around that number)[/QUOTE]If that remark was a dig at me then you are sadly mistaken.

I did indeed read through the posts. That is how I found out about the Sayuri MP but could not find directions.

That is why I posted the question, which I thought was the purpose of the forum.

Forgive me if I was wrong in asking a simple question.

You have a nice day. :-)

Has anyone tried OT Traditional Massage? It's located opposite Pandora's appraently. Just wanted to know what the standard is like there and whether the ladies can give a good traditional massage as well as extra services.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]I recently visited Chiang Mai for the first time and I am sorry to say it was not for me, I found the CEC which was 5 minutes walk from my hotel and thought it was a complete dump.

This area may be OK if you take a girlfriend with you but I found the quality of the girls to be very poor, why would a quality girl work in Chiang Mai when she can go to Bangkok where the rates are higher.

I had intended to stay for 3 nights but flew back to Bangkok the next day, luckily I had kept my hotel room in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Hi,

I'm planing a trip to CM for next month but after reading the CM thread, I'm having a 2nd thought esp the quote above. Is it really that bad compared to BKK? I mean in terms of the quality of the girls. I'm much concern of this than anything else since I will only be in Thailand for a few days and I don't wanna be a big disappointment. My main purpose of flying into Thailand is to unload big time. Can anyone comment on Jimmy Red Cab's report. Appreciate it.

Prado

Prado,
If you are not in Thailand for very long take my advice and give Chiang Mai a miss, it may be ideal for cheap charlies but I think Phuket is a far better option, better bars, better girls and hundreds to choose from.

Prado,

If you're in the Kingdom for just a couple of days, stay in BKK, take the Pattaya road or fly to Phuket. Leave CM for hippies and trekkies.

Ok, to make it clearer to you guys, my taste lies somewhere in the top establishments along Ratchadapisek Road in BKK. I only take up top models that only work 4 nights a month to fullfil their contract requirements.

So, will I be able to get this sort of selections here in CM?

I'll only be in the Kingdom for 3 full days. So if I would be going to CM, it will be like flying in Sunday and back to BKK on Tuesday evening. Just in time for another 2-3 sessions in the MP. hehehe

Prado

In my opinion, Chiang Mai should NOT be viewed as a monger destination, but rather, a place to really see Thailand, and appreciate Thai culture and craftsmanship while also having mongering available. If it's JUST mongering you want, then certainly Bangkok, Pattaya, and probably Phuket are better choices, as well as Phnom Penh in Cambodia. But if you want to do something BESIDES just unload your nuts, like go sightseeing and have other types of tourist fun, but also want to get a chance to drop a load without too much problem, then Chiang Mai has alot to recommend it (similarly, Siem Reap in Cambodia).

Prado, let me both defend Chiang Mai and suggest you give it a miss. There's a reasonable amount of action in CM, it's a great place, and it's possible to find some truly lovely ladies there, but it's simply not as in-your-face, widespread, or congregated in one area as other places.

If you've only got a couple of days in LOS and you're looking for hardcore mongering and a lot of choice then take Freeler's advice and go to Pattaya or Bangkok. And counter to JRC's comment, being in CM has nothing to do with being a Cheap Charlie, as in many cases things are more expensive than elsewhere. If you're a Cheap Charlie then definitely head to Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Prado]Ok, to make it clearer to you guys, my taste lies somewhere in the top establishments along Ratchadapisek Road in BKK. I only take up top models that only work 4 nights a month to fullfil their contract requirements.

So, will I be able to get this sort of selections here in CM?

I'll only be in the Kingdom for 3 full days. So if I would be going to CM, it will be like flying in Sunday and back to BKK on Tuesday evening. Just in time for another 2-3 sessions in the MP. hehehe

Prado[/QUOTE]
Prado,
I did not try a soapy massage in Chiang Mai but I think it is very unlikely that you will get the top model types which you are used to in Bangkok. As others have said, if it is mongering you are after then give Chiang Mai a wide berth.

CNX ain't BKK, but it certainly comes in fourth place as a Thailand monger destination.

There are plenty of girls here, you'd never sleep alone. Just like anywhere in the kingdom: you could be deformed and you'd still get laid.

Personally I prefer BKK, but can't stand Phuket or Pattaya for more than about 48 hours, so IMO CNX is my second favourite mongering destination in TH.

One plus that CNX has over Phuket and Pattaya is that you don't have to be surrounded by scumbag piece-of-shit loser Brits and Germans all the time, plus there are plenty of fun daytime activities too. Less girls here, but a higher hotty:ugly ratio.

It actually sometimes even feels like you are in Thailand, which is a bonus, and something you would never come close to experiencing in Phuket or Pattaya.

Also if you want to pick up non working girls then there are plenty of opportunities here. Check out places like Arctica, Mandalay, Bossy, Warm-Up etcetera etcetera.

Have to agree with Joe Zop; cheap charlies wouldn't like it here- you want bargains, get your cheap ass to Pattaya.

Coma Boy writes-------------
" you don't have to be surrounded by scumbag piece-of-shit loser Brits"

I take it you are a Yank then, and I thought we were allies as well.

Come on CB - there are "Scumbag loser _____" - fill in the blank - in virtually every nationality. And LOTS of them in Pattaya...

I'm from the same place as you Jimmy; the green and pleasant land. I've probably been a passenger in your cab. We are allies indeed.

Pattaya really seems to attract the worst of British, you guys can't deny there are some real lowlifes there.

I think though that the Yanks there are generally not as bad as the Europeans, as trailer-trash Yanks just can't afford to go to Thailand, yet ex-con Eurotrash can.

Plus, nine out of ten fights I witness in LOS are started by Brits.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]It actually sometimes even feels like you are in Thailand, which is a bonus, and something you would never come close to experiencing in Phuket or Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

I could just hang out half the day (and often did) around Warorat Market and the surrounding area. Nice place, especially early, to meet regular Thais out shopping in a more traditional place than the mall...

Prado, if you're only after the absolute top tier model types you find along Ratchadapisek then just stick to Bangkok. You can find a few of these ladies in CM, but it's going to take some serious looking and probably more time than you want to invest -- you'll find a few in the karaokes, among other places -- but it's not something you're going to be happy with on a two or three day long visit. I'd say in general that CM massage parlors don't have large amounts of that tier of looker, as they follow the money and the money is in the Big Durian.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]I'm from the same place as you Jimmy; the green and pleasant land. I've probably been a passenger in your cab. We are allies indeed.

Pattaya really seems to attract the worst of British, you guys can't deny there are some real lowlifes there.

I think though that the Yanks there are generally not as bad as the Europeans, as trailer-trash Yanks just can't afford to go to Thailand, yet ex-con Eurotrash can.

Plus, nine out of ten fights I witness in LOS are started by Brits.[/QUOTE]

I agree about Pattaya, it does attract Cheap Charlies. Regarding fights, so far this year I have spent 40 days in LOS and have not witnessed a single fight, lowlife Brits who enjoy fighting seem to head for places like Benidorm.

Jimmy, Pattaya IS the new Benidorm.

[QUOTE=Joe Zop]

Prado, if you're only after the absolute top tier model types you find along Ratchadapisek then just stick to Bangkok. You can find a few of these ladies in CM, but it's going to take some serious looking and probably more time than you want to invest -- you'll find a few in the karaokes, among other places -- but it's not something you're going to be happy with on a two or three day long visit. I'd say in general that CM massage parlors don't have large amounts of that tier of looker, as they follow the money and the money is in the Big Durian.[/QUOTE]Joe,

You're right, I cannot afford the serious looking. I'm a very very fussy type. Sometimes I can even end up waiting for 1-2 hours for the right girl to turn up in probably the best establishment in BKK. Am i asking too much? NO, I'm just from a very dry land indeed. You won't blame me if you know where I am from i.e. if you know this place.

Prado

[QUOTE=Joe Zop]Prado, let me both defend Chiang Mai and suggest you give it a miss. There's a reasonable amount of action in CM, it's a great place, and it's possible to find some truly lovely ladies there, but it's simply not as in-your-face, widespread, or congregated in one area as other places.

If you've only got a couple of days in LOS and you're looking for hardcore mongering and a lot of choice then take Freeler's advice and go to Pattaya or Bangkok. And counter to JRC's comment, being in CM has nothing to do with being a Cheap Charlie, as in many cases things are more expensive than elsewhere. If you're a Cheap Charlie then definitely head to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Joe,

Actually, I was thinking of having an entirely different atmopshere but still the same quality of selections in CM. I'm fedup of BKK's busy atmosphere and I don't like Pattaya at all. I hope you know what I mean. Trying to get away the busy capital but not the widespread, or congregated in one area of lovely ladies.

Cheap Charlies cannot affrod to "bang" top models in top establishments in LOS. Am I right?

Well, if you're that particular unfortunately Bangkok's really your only choice with that short a trip. I agree with you about the busy atmosphere (which is one of the reasons I like CM) but a lot of it is simple math and human nature -- more than a tenth of the population lives in or around BKK, six or seven times more people than are in the entire province of Chiang Mai. It's like anywhere else -- yes, you can find great actresses on the stages in minor cities, but the truly exceptional ones go to Hollywood or New York. The top model girls naturally go where the demand and the money is, which is Phuket, CM, Bangkok. Pattaya -- all have different and in some cases far superior ambience, but nowhere has the same amount of the top-tier as BKK.

In CM you generally have to pick diamonds from the stream as opposed to having them polished and displayed in a showcase, and wading and wading and looking and looking is obviously not what you're after.

And Cheap Charlies would never even consider paying for middle or lower-tier models in the establishments you mention! :D

Hello folks,

I'm coming to Thailand next month after a 15 year absence and will be passing thru CM for a couple weeks. I'll be staying at an alcohol-free health resort about 30 minutes away from CM with my brother who would be recuperating from some detox treatment he'll be having in BKK. We'll be staying there for about 2 weeks.

One thing we'll certainly be needing to help us get thru our time there is some fresh pussy, preferable exchanged every couple of days or so. Its sad to learn here that that all the lookers will be in BKK. All I've heard over the years was that CM had the best looking babes in Thailand. But not in reading about it here.

Would you guys say its advisable to bring our own babes from BKK? Now I'm not too keen on spending 2 weeks with the same babe, but if theres too much effort and too little gain in scoring something decent in CM, then we just may have to do that.

Advice/comments appreciated.

JP2U, keep in mind that the previous discussion was referring to the absolute top-tier model types. There are definitely good looking women to be had in CM!

It's more work if you want to find and exchange them every couple of days, as the scene is definitely smaller and less in-your-face than other places, but there's no need to bring someone from Bangkok.

You'd be extremely foolish to take a BKK girl to CNX.

I agree- the country's best looking girls reside in the North, that's why I live here.

In fact, have one in my shower right now, so must get on with things.

JP2U,

Why not make a deal with Eden, or even Annie's, and let them fly in a new couple of do-'goo'ders every night?
After all, getting rid of the drugs thing is going to save you two a lot of money:D!

The 2d to last night in CM was very special. The girls I had met at the mall over 2 weeks were alot of fun to spend time with. They work very hard. Had bought them pizza, donuts, and some other foods for lunch a few times. So 2 roommates of the 5 girls asked the one who spoke better english to tell me that they wanted to give me a massage before I left for being kind to them. So agreed that 2 days later before I left would be best.

Went by their shop at 8pm when they closed. Went back to their room. Well let's just say it really didn't start off with a massage, it started off with kissing, hugging, and taking each other clothes off.

When we were alll naked, they strated kissing and caressing me all over. I was bathed by 2 tongues all over. After a while one went down and started sucking me while the other kept licking and kissing me. After about 10 minutes of that I popped in the one's mouth that was sucking me.

We continued caressing, hugging, and talking. After awhile I went down on one and after she came, went down on the other to reciprocate. After DATY with both, they again started kissing and sucking me to get hard.

Started on mish with one, after 10 minutes she came and I immediately put it into the other. She was a little longer and we both came after 15 minutes of various positions.

The next day when I came by to say godbye, the one who spoke better english asked if I had a nice massage. Of course the answer was "it was a wonderful massage". Looking forward to going back to CM in the future.

Just returned from LOS. I spent a few days in CM after a longer period in BKK. All work related ya know.

This was my 4th time in CM, so had done some homework and had a couple of local expat friends to join this time around. MP's are becoming a fav of mine compared to the potenial mess of bringing a BG to your place (you know what I mean...).

So had to check out Sayuri. Had been to the place below the CM Phucome last year. Got somewhat of a bum lead from papa-san there even though I told him 'Phom haa nom yai'.

I was lucky in that one of my local pals drove us to Sayuri. It's so out of the way, not sure to how to beat the potential tuk-tuk surcharge. See an earlier post or two by on this place on how to beat this. The selection at 8pm on a Monday was not too bad. Went with my initial instinct (the way to go) and chose #83. Damage was 900B (didn't haggle that after coming from BKK) and put in an extra 150B for a VIP room. Large Heineken in the room was a good deal at 110B.

This girl was nice enough but perhaps a little distant even compared to BKK girls. If you require the famous bleach white absolutely straight teeth, give this one a pass. Overall, let's call it a shy GFE. HOWEVER, her body was even more incredible than was suggested from the fishbowl position. (Drooling like Homer S. just thinking about it....). These were the most nicely shaped, firm breasts I have ever had the pleasure to grope in LOS....(fake??? didn't see scars but who cares?). AND, she gave me the full view/access to the snatch as she was going down. Like a heavenly playground. Will definitely see her again.

One thing to clarify is whether the price is for a wash&boom or body massage. I would have liked her to do the full body contact (esp. considering this heavenly body) as I had been receiving in BKK, but apparently this was wash&boom only. Cursed myself later for not checking this out.

Another thing to clear up is what you get for the $. I had been used to a real pro performance at Annie's in BKK (PM for more info), in which this girl (PM for details) worked extremely hard to make sure I left extremely limp. When I asked for round two, Sayuri girl says she would need another 600B. Now keep in mind that my Annie's girl costs me (pre-tip) 1500B, so two shots add up to the same (but I tip her a huge amount). BUT, something of a buzz-kill when this kind of thing is calculated like a bill of sale. BTW, after the CM foray, I asked the mama-sam at Annie's in BKK about this. She says it is up to the girl regarding number of shots. So my Annie's girl who will make sure you will leave on weak knees may be exception (hint-PM for details).

After this, we made our way to a few beer bars near TP Gate. Later, end up at Foxy Lady (a go go), not far from Loi Kroh and Night Bazaar. Grabbed a real stunner for a drink, groping, and grinding. Real cute, great body, and had put on a good sale with the grind. So, still not drained from Sayuri girl, had to take this one. Kind of dismayed by the 500B bar-fine (rejected offer of sii-roi baht), as this is low season and not BKK. But she was not worth losing over this. Tuk-tuk driver outside wants 50b for the 3-4 blocks to the hotel. I hate those guys, really kill the CM experience. We walk.

In the room, we do the aap nam. BTW, it seems like the CM girls will only do the CBJ. Probably a good idea as STD's are supposed to be worse up here. Anyway, she wants to move on immediately after round one. I'm no newbie and I know I didn't do anything to drive her out of there. I offer a modest amount, based on prior experience and forum recs. She whines and asks for 1000B!! I say NO WAY based on: here not for 2hr, no BBBJ, one shot, etc. I had been paying a FL in BKK 1000B for 10x better experience. Yes, she was hot-sh*t for CM, but not at BKK prices, and did not have BKK performance.

Talked with my CM locals about the lack of clever marketing by these CM girls. They seem to act like you have no other options. Think about it....relatively few mongers go to CM, but those who return will need a reason. I go for work, so it doesn't quite work the same way, but I can choose to spend more or less time in CM vs. BKK. Won't you think that they would want to make the experience something you would want to come back to? Of course savvy BKK girls do that, and their client pool has 10-100x the turnover as CM.

No marketing expert, but just wondering.

SB

[QUOTE=SB Lumens]It seems like the CM girls will only do the CBJ.[/QUOTE]Think you were just very unlucky there SB, have never found a girl in CM who refused BBBJ.

In fact, never anywhere in the world. Isn't the CBJ just a myth?

Coma,

Perhaps I do not posess the membership card which attests to the status of self-proclaimed <30 yo real-estate tycoon who receives BBBJ the world over.

Sorry, but I base this on your tiresome and pervasive grand-standing in every thread of this forum. Get over yourself. (see quote below...'CBJ is a myth')

For the rest of us, I base my observation of 100% BBBJ in BKK, 100% CBJ in CM (for the best, as STD's are supposedly high in the north).

SB

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Think you were just very unlucky there SB, have never found a girl in CM who refused BBBJ.

In fact, never anywhere in the world. Isn't the CBJ just a myth?[/QUOTE]

Hi!

Any information on the freelancer scene in CM (discos?). Not SW, rather young students.
Thanks

Plenty of FL action in CM discos. That total shithole- Bubbles contains 90% freelancers, 10% dumb dancing tourists.

Other discos (X-Zone, Legacy, Image, Mandalay, Bossy, Rodeo, Hot Shots, Club G, etcetera) have their share of freelancers but perhaps less than 1%. You'll soon know though; the girls who talk to you first (as opposed to you making the first move), and who start dancing with you or helping themselves to your Black Label are your best targets.

Sometimes hard to know if they are genuinely slutty chicks or working-girls. Generally though, those working will ask how much you want to give them before long. Most girls in these places can't speak English, but don't worry if you can't communicate as it is too loud to hear what anyone is saying anyway.

It is quite rare to see other Farang in most of these places. Often I'll see a guy, sat alone, looking a little lost, as if he was expecting to be jumped on, but wasn't. Normally these guys walk out after about half an hour, alone. Consequently any FL chicks in these places have not gone out looking for customers, if they do go with a customer it is because an unexpected opportunity arose.

Young students is a pretty tall order. That is possible but certainly not guaranteed, although a lot of FL chicks will claim to be students anyway.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Plenty of FL action in CM discos. That total shithole- Bubbles contains 90% freelancers, 10% dumb dancing tourists.

Other discos (X-Zone, Legacy, Image, Mandalay, Bossy, Rodeo, Hot Shots, Club G, etcetera) have their share of freelancers but perhaps less than 1%. guaranteed, although a lot of FL chicks will claim to be students anyway.[/QUOTE]Hahaha Coma Boy. Seems like we both like to chill out in Chiang Mai and Bangkok. I'l still a Chiang Mai rookie. I've only checked out Mandalay and Bossy disco. Will check out those you've mentioned as well when I get a chance. :p

The night entertainment in Chiang Mai cannot be compared to Hatyai and Bangkok.

Coma,

What's the deal with Spicy? I've heard opinions from great late night pulling spot to a dump filled with scummy backpacker tourists.

And regarding Bubbles, I hate that freakin place. My missus likes to go there with her gay friends. The farangs that place attracts are the worst in Thailand.

[QUOTE=JXXXL]What's the deal with Spicy?

And regarding Bubbles, I hate that freakin place. The farangs that place attracts are the worst in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Spicy is full of bar-girls and freelancers and gays and dumb backpackers- gets very busy when everywhere else closes. Annoying place but very good if you need a girl after 1am.

Bubbles should be fucking burnt down. Sure, the Farang there suck, but as for worst in Thailand- not even close- try Pattaya.

[QUOTE=SB Lumens]I base my observation of 100% BBBJ in BKK, 100% CBJ in CM.[/QUOTE]Yeah, like I said, perhaps you were just unlucky. I have honestly never come across it anywhere.

CB: Agree with you.
SB: Based on my experienes at CM, CB seems to be right. Sorry.

Thank You !
I read somewhere else that Mandalay should be a good place for FL. Do you confirm?

Mandalay isn't bad for action, along with Bossy those two places are probably the best hang-outs of that list. Not many girls looking for customers but easy to pick up a girl.

Nearly every single girl in Bubbles is a FL though, there are literally about 200 girls there every night looking for customers, but the place still fucking sucks.

[QUOTE=Damn Shame]If possible can you give me the location of the Sayuri MP.

Thanks in advance for yor help.[/QUOTE]This website gives you directions on how to get there. You can walk there from the night bazaar. Opens from 12pm but for the best selection of girls. go after 5pm.

[url]http://www.gocnx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=122[/url]

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Mandalay isn't bad for action, along with Bossy those two places are probably the best hang-outs of that list. Not many girls looking for customers but easy to pick up a girl.

Nearly every single girl in Bubbles is a FL though, there are literally about 200 girls there every night looking for customers, but the place still fucking sucks.[/QUOTE]CB,

While I agree that MOST of the girls in Bubbles are on the game, I do know some legit girls that go there, usually with guys, that are legit. It's not 100% the same way as CM2. I just mention this so someone doesn't make the mistake of approaching a gal with the assumption that every girl there is an FL. It's pretty obvious who is, but some guys as perceptive as others.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Mandalay isn't bad for action, along with Bossy those two places are probably the best hang-outs of that list. Not many girls looking for customers but easy to pick up a girl.

Nearly every single girl in Bubbles is a FL though, there are literally about 200 girls there every night looking for customers, but the place still fucking sucks.[/QUOTE]The only thing I would add about Mandalay is that there are a lot of katoeys there. I haven't been in a while but some friends have told me there are a lot in there. The upstairs bar there can be good.

Bossy can get farkin packed so if you plan to go, get there on the early side if you want a table. Otherwise you'll just be pinned against the wall all night.

[QUOTE=JXXXL]While I agree that MOST of the girls in Bubbles are on the game, I do know some legit girls that go there, usually with guys, that are legit. It's not 100% the same way as CM2.[/QUOTE]Okay- 86.4% of girls at Bubbles are on the game.

But, as for CM2 I'd say the figure is closer to 63.8%. I know plenty of BKK students, and other good-girls who go there.

[QUOTE=JXXXL]The only thing I would add about Mandalay is that there are a lot of katoeys there.

Bossy can get farkin packed so if you plan to go, get there on the early side if you want a table.[/QUOTE]True, there are katoeys at Mandalay, yet probably every other disco in town has a higher percentage of LBs. Have you ever been to Rodeo or Image? They are full of LBs, plus Bossy is extremely popular with shemales.

But, yes, arrive early at Bossy and you're guaranteed a good night. If Bossy is too packed then Legacy is only a minute's stumble away.

O.T Massage in Chiang Mai doesn't usually offer full service but if you ask for an oil massage, the girls will offer you a hand job for a little extra and from there you can negotiate for full service. Not all the girls will give you a boom with massage but I've had 75% success rate here with some of the girls. :)

When you enter the building, turn right and go up the stairs. There's a fishbowl there where you can choose from an average to nice range of young girls. They're not dressed up in the same way as the girls at Sayuri or Pandora and some just wear t-shirts and jeans, but for me, this is fine especially if the clothes they wear come off eventually. ;)

Pandora is just opposite so if you can't get full service here, it's just a short walk across the lane way but I've found the girls at OT to be a better fit (less worn) than Pandora probably because they're not doing it three or four times a day like the ones at Pandora. Consequently, they have more energy and one girl I had came twice before I did. If you happen to shoot off before your massseur and your 2 hour massage isn't over, then the ones with good work ethics will usually continue where they left off with your massage and complete your two hour session. :)

Costs: 300 baht for a two hour Thai massage; 600 baht for oil. Other 'unofficial' services are negotiated with the masseur directly but you can usually get a boom for about 1000 baht and a hand job for 500 baht or a little less with some hard bargaining. Note that the girls only speak limited English so you may have to use the international sign language for a boom (finger into your fist) and say the words "dai mai?" (is it possible?)

How to get to Pandora and OT: This website is quite useful on how to get there, complete with satellite maps and directions .

[url]http://www.gocnx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=46&Itemid=120[/url]

Hi,

I was in Chiang Mai one week ago. I first tried to go to Mandalay disco as it seemed to be the "in" place" those days. I saw plenty of young thai people going in for free, some even bringing their own bottle of alcool with them. When I wanted to enter, they sent me to the cashier who asked me 300 THB to get in. I really felt I would be a sucker to pay 300 as other people could go inside for free, so I left and went to Bubble.
There were many girls in Bubble, but I think you have to be quick because many guys arrive between 11 and 12 and quickly pick up the cutest ones. I hesitated too long time and finally did not find anyone to my taste. Surprinsigly enough, a few girls I approached shown a total disinterest about me. Never happened to me before in Thailand! Of course, many girls showed their interest for me, but I did not like them.

I don't know how to characterise some of these girls. Many were picked up by young falangs that obviously don't have much money. Do they go for cheap with them, or do they just make contact for friendship?

Finally I was litteraly picked up by what looked a "normal" girl outside at closing time. Nice educated student. She was only 7 for face, but was fully equipped with the typical Chiang Mai body: tall, slim, white skin and well formed breast. When we made it, she was so wet that she made the bedsheets wet. Total GFE during three days. She did not ask for money and often asked to share meal cost. Finally, before I left, she told me she was looking for a BF to sponsor her. Which of course I was not ready to do. Before flying to BKK, I offered her some money and she did not say no.

P.S. I also went to a nice bar/disco called Warm Up: mostly a Thai place, it was packed with the cutest girls in Chiang Mai. I have no idea if it is possible for a farang to pick up girls there, as I was not alone.

Yeah, it is easy enough to pick-up a girl in Warm-Up, but don't offer any money in the morning. Just hit on girls as you would back home, they'll back off if they think you're a sex-tourist.

There is a good reason that Mandalay charges a 300 Baht entry fee. Bubbles used to be a popular hang-out years ago for Thais from all walks of life, nowadays only hookers go there and the rest of Chiang Mai won't be seen dead in the place. I pay my Mandalay entrance fee with pride, plus you get drink tokens anyway, it's just to stop Israelis dancing for free, and pissing everyone else off.

Mandalay wants to keep out enough sex tourists and backpackers to keep their wealthy Thai and student clientelle happy. So far it is working.

Those young Farang at Bubbles are mostly naive idiots who are shocked the morning after when the girl asks for her money. Most of those girls prefer older guys who know what they are doing. That "normal" girl outside is still a P4P chick, just has a different MO.

Visited CM a couple weeks ago. Stayed at the Porn Ping Tower, home of Bubbles. My experiences there were similar to El Frances. Loads of girls but unfortunately loads of Farang too. Probably best time to go there is around 11:30 - 12:00 and make your move on something you like pretty quick because anything worthy will be taken before long. The girls themselves seem to get picky on who they respond to in the later hours as well.

Went to Spiceys next night around 1:00am, and again, loads of girls, loads of farangs. It was a couple of decibels kinder on my eardrums than Bubbles at least, but similar scene. I think the Bubbles crowd move over here at 2am because of this place late closing hours. Picked up something nice and got the fuck out quick becasue it was turning into a human sardine can after 2am.

Visisted some of the bars behind the night market but for one just coming from BKK nothing too impressive.

Went to Mandalys and saw a lot of pretty young things walk in which caused my brother to foolishly fork out 300b a piece entry for us. Hung around for 10 minutes then walked out. A lot of Thai males were mixed with the girls so didnt seem the place for 2 farangs with hard ons to be loitering around.

Lots of massage parlors, but mostly the real thing. Some classy joints too. Had a nice massage at Doi View where the cute lady owner was gracious to pick us up from our hotel and drop us back afterwards.

I liked CM somewhat, but being used to near instant sex in other places, I may give it a pass next time.

Looking for g-friendly hotels with rates and where the action is. Prefer something close. Plan on spending 4 days in CM in October.

Thanks for the info and help. Will post results when I am back.

M&M

Just read back for a few pages, plenty of hotel advice.

You may also want to consider Royal Peninsula Serviced Apartments.

Oh, and The Chedi has now opened. Check that out.

Fuck Chaing Mai. Almost all the girls in the bars just work for drinks and after being here 4 months ive yet to find a place you just go and find a girl and have sex unless ur into sopies or staying out till 3 in the morning when these bar girls are ready to go home. They would rather party with there friends then take money for sex. Then only option is a sopie which is over priced and for jap tourist or short time from a gogo for 2000 baht.

Fuck the hors in Chai Mai. Girls that work for drinks should be put in a little village were they belong, the dumb cunts.

Well, maybe you went to the wrong places.

I used to live there and can confirm there are loads of bar-girls who are happy to go ST or LT every night. Nearly all of them in fact.

Bear in mind that "only working for drinks" (or "I have my period") is a common excuse when they don't like a customer.

Perhaps they sensed your rage.

With that attitude no wonder you did not get pussy... If you actually sound in person as an ass as you do in your post you should go fuck yourself... which is what probably the girls were telling you anyway... :D

Man, you sound like you are ready to have a stroke :eek:

juice

The good looking ones only work for drinks. Maybe because some if not most of u settle for the fat old ugly ones that u have no problems. Ive seen some of pics that are posted on this site and cant belieive the old hags u guys settle for.
They stick the good looking ones out front to get u in.

Reckon it's just you that doesn't get the lookers. The hotties are as happy to be hired as the uglies.

Try showering before you go out, brush your teeth, wear a t-shirt without stains and ask the girls nicely.

[QUOTE=Johnson45]Then only option is a sopie which is over priced and for jap tourist or short time from a gogo for 2000 baht.[/QUOTE]Oh, you poor, angry, illiterate fool.

Even CM's hottest go-go girls (usually unearthed at Foxy Lady) will willingly go ST for 1000 Baht (1500 max!).

Perhaps you should try Pattaya, those girls will bang any old freak.

J45,

I was in Chiang Mai early June and I had the opposite experience. There are many bars all over with hostess girls that you can barfine for LT or ST. Plus there is Bubbles with several FL. I ended up keeping girl for 4 days from Thai Country Bar (dont remember street name; across from an Indian restaurant). It's hard to believe after 4 months you found nothing. I barfined the above girl by second day there. Then there is Foxy lady and Star VI.

[QUOTE=Johnson45]Then only option is a sopie which is over priced and for jap tourist or short time from a gogo for 2000 baht.

Fuck the hors in Chai Mai. Girls that work for drinks should be put in a little village were they belong, the dumb cunts.[/QUOTE]

With that attitude I am sure you are saving a lot of Bahts spanking the monkey! :D

I always go for the hottest hotties, and I never paid more than 1000 baht to the girl + a 300-400 bar fine for the 8 ladies I went with in the several days I spent in Chiang Mai.

I have been to LOS 4 times now mainly Bangkok, Pattaya and Koh Samui. In November I will add CM and Hua Hin to my itenary and I must say I am looking forward to spending 5 nights in CM.

I'll probably book Royal Lanna or Porn Ping and even after visiting Pattaya and Bangers I am sure the Chiang Mai girls will give me the normal LOS welcome!

Guess it is better to tell the girls that I do not visit Pattaya, they may think that I am a sex tourist!

I recently passed thru Chiang Mai on my way to Mae Sai. Had a good night there.

I had booked a room online at the Red Hibiscus Guest House. This is away from all the action in a quiet part of town. I prefer to sleep where it's quiet and go to where the action is. Cabs are cheap. Red Hibiscus is in the "old town" section; inside the wall and moat, on Arak Road in the northwest corner of the "walled section" of town. Big, beautifully decorated room for about 700 baht per night.

I took a taxi to the "night market" and visited an internet cafe then walked around a bit. Found the CEC section with the beer bars (next to the Imperial Mae Ping Hotel.) I played some Connect Four and some Jenga with a cute bar girl and had a couple drinks. Then went next door to Star Six disco. It was a little tricky to find as you have to go up the stairs. I was surprised to be charged an entrance fee (100 baht for a ticket) but paid it and went in. I was invited to sit up close to the girls dancing on stage but opted for a seat with my back to the wall where I could see the entire room. I ordered a drink. Did not see any other farangs; lots of stares from the locals, or so it seemed.

Three minutes into my drink and I was joined by a young beauty. I noticed two things right away. She had a pretty face (always a plus) and her lovely body was topped by two big titties. I had made a mental note to myself that this trip I wanted to fuck a Thai cutie with nice tits. The girls I choose always tend to be very cute and small on top. This girl seemed to "fill the bill."

She was aggressive. Rubbing my crotch, popping her tits out for me to feel, etc. She asked, "Do you want to go over there?" indicating a darker area of the club. "Okay." We moved and she got even more aggressive, humping me and kissing me. I figured "this is the one" so we began to negotiate. She asked 2,000 bt to come to my hotel. 500 for the bar and 1,500 for her. I said 1,500 total. She haggled for about a minute and then agreed. We took a tuk-tuk to my hotel.

She was great. Outstanding BBBJ, slow and sensuous, taking me all the way down and looking into my eyes. Perfect blowjob. Great fuck. Her on top to start. Then me. Since I prefer to get off via an oily handjob, I pulled out and removed the condom. Told her what I wanted and lay back, propping my head up on the headboard to watch her handwork. She knew just how to use the oil and both hands to bring me right to the brink and then over the top. She even knew to keep stroking as I came (unlike some girls who stop as soon as you shoot.) I was delirious and gave her 200 baht tip for the good service.

You might think I overpaid. Maybe I could have saved a few hundred baht, but I was a happy camper and have a good memory of Chiang Mai.

Next morning I was off the Mae Sai.

LJohnson

[QUOTE=Ljohnson]She even knew to keep stroking as I came (unlike some girls who stop as soon as you shoot).[/QUOTE]Yeah, Star Six girls are good at their work. I think it may have something to do with most of their customers being Asian who are perhaps more demanding.

That is a really good point you made- when girls stop at the first spurt you actually lose the orgasm despite shooting the load. Fucking frustrating.

That 100 Baht entry covers your first drink.

It is really just to deter non-drinking voyeurs.

Chiang Mai - some action but not so good...

Wasteland, wasteland, wasteland. This town is really pathetic. My notes about the "entertainment venues":

1.CEC (beer bar area, star six)
It's really easy to find. Once you find the "night bazar", you are there. The bazar is the size of Patpong right in town and you can't miss it. Loy Krok Rd with CEC and more bars starts right in the middle of it. Unless you are masohistic or drunk though there is hardly nothing shaggeable.

2.Moonlight gogo. Follow Loy Krok rd from CEC all the way to the moat. Turn right. Some more beer bars and the lone Moonlight gogo. The lineup is not bad at all. 3 or 4 very good looking animals up on stage. No one is really bad or old. This gogo would do well even in Bangkok. Attitudes are not all rosy though. Very few smiles and very little offered in terms of service.

Again the "Samui-Syndrome". These Thai prostitutes are mixing far too much with western females and are thrashed by their BS just as it happens in Koh Samui. I dunno how much they charge for a fuck. But I am sure that "too much" for what they provide. Really, if you look around, you can fuck better looking cunts for much less in other towns.

3.Phuck-me Hotel (Phucome)
Nothwest of town, about 2km. Any Songthaew on Huay Kaew rd. possibly could even walk in an hour. Likely if you take tuktuk the price of service escalates. Never actually been there.

4. Tapae gate (SW???)
Easy enough to find the gate. Been there at different times of the night. Definitely no scene. Nobody inside the gate (in fact it's very brightly lighted possibly to discourage this). Outside the gate saw only two ugly looking cunts in the semi-dark. When got nearer saw that one had no front teeth. E-nuff said.

5.Sayuri massage
You can also walk from town. The east side of Nawarat bridge (Charoen Muang Rd going east). I took the tuktuk. I told him to leave but obviously he hang around in hope of his cut.

Have to admit the the lineup is very impressive. These girls are BEAUTIFUL! Way beyond any of the Pattaya MPs. Rather like the standard of the Thai MPs at Rachada in Bkk. 3 or 4 cunts were so amazingly perfect that my jaw dropped. No wonder as one of those finished a fuck immediately got snapped up within 2 minutes by a new (thai) guy.

I was totally ignored by the attendants. ALL other customers were Thai and one Japanese looking. I got the feeling that I being farnang, wasn't welcomed. Got a quote for B2000/1.5 hours + tip (or till I pop it once only, whichever comes first). Also was told that all the cunts do falang but I wasn't sure of that from the looks I received (or the lack of it).

It is basically a thai (or asian) scene and they normally resent falangs. It's simply not good for their business to have falangs there, as I was told before often at Rachada and some areas of Patpong. Still, if I had B2000 I would have given it a go with one of those models, even taking the risk of a rotten time.

Alternatives for getting to Sayuri MP from town:
From Wararat Market by the river take a yellow or green songthaew to "Arcade" (say:"uurhk-head"). After you cross the Nakhon Ping bridge, the third traffic lights (I think) is Bumrungrat Road. Sayuri's address is: 3/Soi2 Thanon Bumrungrat. It's about 5 mins walk from the corner. They are open 12 noon to midnight. Songthaews don't run after dark. Really you could be there on foot in 30 minutes from town but then you better use the Nawarat Bridge, and maybe not a good idea to walk at night. Its a bit deserted area. In Bkk tuktuks get B5-600 commission from MPs if they bring you in. Possibly you can count on that here too.

6. SANTIITAN area:
Contrary of what some claim, it's about as close to Novotel as Mecca to Jerusalem. The largest landmark hotel nearby is the Chiang Mai Orchid. Exact address is : Soi 11/Nimmanhemin Road, northwest of town, off Huay Kaew Road.

Actually the brothels are on sub-sois of Soi11. They are quite jovial places really with much music, singing, dancing, karaoke and the occasional live band. Again the clientele is mixed thai, korean and chinese. (Quite a bit of Korean business in the area). A falang on your own you will likely to be ignored especially if you don't speak thai. The cunts were downright ugly in my opinion (nowhere near the quality of the MP). I was told they fuck for B 3-4-500.

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Fucked one........

One fuck at CEC beer-bars (at the FED-EX sign):
If there were 3 good lookers among all the bar cunts then I am telling too much. One immediately walked away when I entered the bar. The other wasn't very keen either. Finally, I fucked one of those, the last one. But at what cost! I had to lick her ass and prostitute myself and sweet-talk it so that she may kindly let me fuck her for B1000+BF300+drinks200. Total damageB1500! About same as in Phuket. (Price of three good roots in Pattaya!)

I vomited afterwards and rinsed my mouth for half an hour from all the BS that went through it. Shit I hate doing this. The fuck itself wasn't terrible though.

Pros: -non agressive, reasonably good looking, young(20), no kids, happy, cheerful, talkative, not shy of showing some poossy in bright lights.

Cons:-no BJ or kissing, the cost!B1500, also not overly enthusiastic (maybe expected more courting? Me no court, no, no.).

I hired it for ST, just wanking into the cunthole, mouth, etc. A fuck is a wank, a wank is a fuck, isn't it? All the same. (Actually, doing it by hand feels better.) I got my one point anyway.

To make sure the business process was complete, asked for a receipt afterwards. No one asked her for a receipt for a fuck before. "Received the sum of 1000 baht for a fuck of 30 minutes...., signed...").

Got this idea from pattayathumbs.com. (It is an excellent site, worth a visit, by the way).

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Pattaya vs. CMAI?

To conclude the argument about who wins between Pattaya or CM. Pattaya takes all for one very simple but important reason: The welcome absence of 'white trash'.

If you stick to the well proven soi2-soi6-soi8 circle you would hardly never have come across them 'white liberated crap', prostitutes from England and Holland, etc. Their all over presence in CM is all just too irritating and overwhelming. No doubt, interacting with them and copying their behaviour reflects on the bargirls too, and not in a positive way.

Yet, while one feels uncomfortable after 2 days in Khorat, it is so un-falang, it is quite possible to spend a week in Cmai, but in Pattaya it's weeks-and weeks- and months.

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Getting around in CMai:
If you arrive in CM by bus or train, don't believe what the touts say. Don't believe what anyone says for that matter! It's another tourist trap. You don't have to take the taxis! Walk outside on any main road, follow the locals as they get off the bus. Yellow or green songthaews will take you to town for B10. Say:"Talat" (market) or "Klang Meuang" (town centre).

[QUOTE=Alexander]2. Moonlight gogo.
Follow Loy Kroh rd from CEC all the way to the moat. Turn right.

4. Tapae gate (SW)
Easy enough to find the gate. Been there at different times of the night. Definitely no scene.

5.Sayuri massage
I was totally ignored by the attendants. ALL other customers were Thai and one Japanese looking. I got the feeling that I being farang, wasn't welcomed.

6. SANTIITAN area:
Contrary of what some claim, it's about as close to Novotel as Mecca to Jerusalem. The largest landmark hotel nearby is the Chiang Mai Orchid. Exact address is : Soi 11/Nimmanhemin Road.


To conclude the argument about who wins between Pattaya or CM. Pattaya takes all for one very simple but important reason: The welcome absence of 'white trash'.

[/QUOTE]Interesting outlook on CM.

First of all where do you get the idea that CM has white-trash? I mean, yes, some for sure, but one millionth of the number of white-trash in Pattaya. Pattaya is about 90% white trash, CM, perhaps 5%.

2- Actually called Spotlight, not great, but get there early for something nice.

4- Definitely a scene, how could you miss it? Not a pleasant scene, but definitely plenty of SW.

5- That's odd, the staff are usually very friendly to Farang, perhaps you were wearing your Chang tee with the armpit sweat stains.

6- Santiitam is less than three minutes walk from Novotel. The place you are talking about is a different area althogether. Orchid isn't even close, the nearest landmark hotel is the Amari.

[QUOTE=Alexander]Pattaya vs. CMAI?

To conclude the argument about who wins between Pattaya or CM. Pattaya takes all for one very simple but important reason: The welcome absence of 'white trash'.
[/QUOTE]From the sound of your post, Pattaya is the perfect place for slobs like you. Never coming back to CM? Good riddance.

Thank you, Alexander. Especially for clearer directions to SANTIITAN which I didn't get to try my last trip to CM.

[QUOTE=Alexander]Chiang Mai - some action but not so good...

Wasteland, wasteland, wasteland. This town is really pathetic. My notes about the "entertainment venues":

1.CEC (beer bar area, star six)
It's really easy to find. Once you find the "night bazar", you are there. The bazar is the size of Patpong right in town and you can't miss it. Loy Krok Rd with CEC and more bars starts right in the middle of it. Unless you are masohistic or drunk though there is hardly nothing shaggeable.

2.Moonlight gogo. Follow Loy Krok rd from CEC all the way to the moat. Turn right. Some more beer bars and the lone Moonlight gogo. The lineup is not bad at all. 3 or 4 very good looking animals up on stage. No one is really bad or old. This gogo would do well even in Bangkok. Attitudes are not all rosy though. Very few smiles and very little offered in terms of service.

Again the "Samui-Syndrome". These Thai prostitutes are mixing far too much with western females and are thrashed by their BS just as it happens in Koh Samui. I dunno how much they charge for a fuck. But I am sure that "too much" for what they provide. Really, if you look around, you can fuck better looking cunts for much less in other towns.

3.Phuck-me Hotel (Phucome)
Nothwest of town, about 2km. Any Songthaew on Huay Kaew rd. possibly could even walk in an hour. Likely if you take tuktuk the price of service escalates. Never actually been there.

4. Tapae gate (SW???)
Easy enough to find the gate. Been there at different times of the night. Definitely no scene. Nobody inside the gate (in fact it's very brightly lighted possibly to discourage this). Outside the gate saw only two ugly looking cunts in the semi-dark. When got nearer saw that one had no front teeth. E-nuff said.

5.Sayuri massage
You can also walk from town. The east side of Nawarat bridge (Charoen Muang Rd going east). I took the tuktuk. I told him to leave but obviously he hang around in hope of his cut.

Have to admit the the lineup is very impressive. These girls are BEAUTIFUL! Way beyond any of the Pattaya MPs. Rather like the standard of the Thai MPs at Rachada in Bkk. 3 or 4 cunts were so amazingly perfect that my jaw dropped. No wonder as one of those finished a fuck immediately got snapped up within 2 minutes by a new (thai) guy.

I was totally ignored by the attendants. ALL other customers were Thai and one Japanese looking. I got the feeling that I being farnang, wasn't welcomed. Got a quote for B2000/1.5 hours + tip (or till I pop it once only, whichever comes first). Also was told that all the cunts do falang but I wasn't sure of that from the looks I received (or the lack of it).

It is basically a thai (or asian) scene and they normally resent falangs. It's simply not good for their business to have falangs there, as I was told before often at Rachada and some areas of Patpong. Still, if I had B2000 I would have given it a go with one of those models, even taking the risk of a rotten time.

Alternatives for getting to Sayuri MP from town:
From Wararat Market by the river take a yellow or green songthaew to "Arcade" (say:"uurhk-head"). After you cross the Nakhon Ping bridge, the third traffic lights (I think) is Bumrungrat Road. Sayuri's address is: 3/Soi2 Thanon Bumrungrat. It's about 5 mins walk from the corner. They are open 12 noon to midnight. Songthaews don't run after dark. Really you could be there on foot in 30 minutes from town but then you better use the Nawarat Bridge, and maybe not a good idea to walk at night. Its a bit deserted area. In Bkk tuktuks get B5-600 commission from MPs if they bring you in. Possibly you can count on that here too.

6. SANTIITAN area:
Contrary of what some claim, it's about as close to Novotel as Mecca to Jerusalem. The largest landmark hotel nearby is the Chiang Mai Orchid. Exact address is : Soi 11/Nimmanhemin Road, northwest of town, off Huay Kaew Road.

Actually the brothels are on sub-sois of Soi11. They are quite jovial places really with much music, singing, dancing, karaoke and the occasional live band. Again the clientele is mixed thai, korean and chinese. (Quite a bit of Korean business in the area). A falang on your own you will likely to be ignored especially if you don't speak thai. The cunts were downright ugly in my opinion (nowhere near the quality of the MP). I was told they fuck for B 3-4-500.

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Fucked one........

One fuck at CEC beer-bars (at the FED-EX sign):

If there were 3 good lookers among all the bar cunts then I am telling too much. One immediately walked away when I entered the bar. The other wasn't very keen either. Finally, I fucked one of those, the last one. But at what cost! I had to lick her ass and prostitute myself and sweet-talk it so that she may kindly let me fuck her for B1000+BF300+drinks200. Total damageB1500! About same as in Phuket. (Price of three good roots in Pattaya!)

I vomited afterwards and rinsed my mouth for half an hour from all the BS that went through it. Shit I hate doing this. The fuck itself wasn't terrible though.

Pros: -non agressive, reasonably good looking, young(20), no kids, happy, cheerful, talkative, not shy of showing some poossy in bright lights.

Cons:-no BJ or kissing, the cost!B1500, also not overly enthusiastic (maybe expected more courting? Me no court, no, no.).

I hired it for ST, just wanking into the cunthole, mouth, etc. A fuck is a wank, a wank is a fuck, isn't it? All the same. (Actually, doing it by hand feels better.) I got my one point anyway.

To make sure the business process was complete, asked for a receipt afterwards. No one asked her for a receipt for a fuck before. "Received the sum of 1000 baht for a fuck of 30 minutes...., signed...").

Got this idea from pattayathumbs.com. (It is an excellent site, worth a visit, by the way).

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Pattaya vs. CMAI?

To conclude the argument about who wins between Pattaya or CM. Pattaya takes all for one very simple but important reason: The welcome absence of 'white trash'.

If you stick to the well proven soi2-soi6-soi8 circle you would hardly never have come across them 'white liberated crap', prostitutes from England and Holland, etc. Their all over presence in CM is all just too irritating and overwhelming. No doubt, interacting with them and copying their behaviour reflects on the bargirls too, and not in a positive way.

Yet, while one feels uncomfortable after 2 days in Khorat, it is so un-falang, it is quite possible to spend a week in Cmai, but in Pattaya it's weeks-and weeks- and months.

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Getting around in CMai:

If you arrive in CM by bus or train, don't believe what the touts say. Don't believe what anyone says for that matter! It's another tourist trap. You don't have to take the taxis! Walk outside on any main road, follow the locals as they get off the bus. Yellow or green songthaews will take you to town for B10. Say:"Talat" (market) or "Klang Meuang" (town centre).[/QUOTE]

[quote=deal seeker]thank you, alexander. especially for clearer directions to santiitan which i didn't get to try my last trip to cm.[/quote]those weren't directions to santitam. santitam is close to novotel and simon cabaret.

those directions were to some of the brothels located off nimmaheimin, but there are plenty of other brothels rep001tered all over town.

Finally checked out Sayuri and wondered why I waited so long. By some trick of the light or refraction of the glass, the girls are actually more beautiful close-up than in the fishbowl. Visited 3 times in a week, sampling a different girl each time. One was a real pro from Chiang Rai with fake tits (#56). Great body, too into herself to be a great lay, would not ride on top but I still had fun. One was quite thin, claimed to never have been with a farang before and the action seemed to confirm: much moaning of "jep, jep!" and the hand block to prevent to-the-hilt penetration, and tight/shallow as can be (#129). The best was a 24 yo from Udon who was sweet as hell and had the nicest ass and prettiest pussy I have had the pleasure of tapping though it was hard to tell from the line-up, also limited farang experience (#I can't remember).

Contrary to prior poster, I was quoted 900baht for hour+ (after I had already made my selection) and the papasan was quite welcoming. There was no pressure to choose, but he did make some suggestions. The wash was quite nice, and also got a decent masssage from 2 of the girls. What may be different is that I am conversational in Thai and act suparp (polite) when not in the saddle. Amazing how much further that will get you in Thailand, in almost any situation.

I have a question about these girls for everyone: How to approach and price or for free etc.

IMHO, CEC is not nearly as bad as Alexander described it. I hooked up with a very nice cutie student there with whom I repeated.

Probably the most attractive selections were at Spotlight, which was also a very convenient short walk from the place I was staying, the Raming Lodge.

Radwarrior,

How about some of that old fashioned art named courting?
A smile, a gentle helping hand, a rose...:)

[QUOTE=Radwarrior]I have a question about these girls for everyone: How to approach and price or for free etc.[/QUOTE]

Not everyone in Thailand is a prostitute.

I have to disagree with Alexander's assessment - my experience was quite different. Almost every beer bar has hostess girls that you can barfine (400 baht or so) and take out for LT (1000 baht). I was in CM in July and had a lot of fun - although I spennt most of the time with one girl (see pics in the gallery).

Cheers.

Radwarrior-

You should use the same approach as anywhere else in the world; smile and chat. 99% of these girls are not looking for sex though (not with a sex-tourist anyway), so step lightly. If they're a hooker then chances are they'll drag you into the nearest store with some shopping requests. Plus, bar-girls can be spotted a mile off- darker skin, tattoos, gold, last year's fashions, and very loud mouths.

Crypton, 2041-

Yeah, CM is a great town for girls, someone like Alexander probably has trouble picking up girls wherever he goes. He probably even gets turned down in Pattaya!

Hello,

I've been living in Chiang Mai for the past 2.5 months and have spent several months in Bangkok as well. I am in my mid-thirties and am half Chinese and Japanese and speak conversational Thai. I've gotten a wealth of information from these boards and would like to start contributing and exchanging information as well.

The other day, I went to Pandora for the first time. I remember reading that the going rate at was 900baht at Sayuri. When I entered there was only 2 girls behind the glass. The guy wanted 2K?? I then mentioned that Sayuri was only 900baht (just going off of what I have read). He then brought his price down to 1400 baht. Given that there were only 2 girls sitting, and it was dead -- I thought I would see how low he would go. He didn't go any lower, so I thought if I resigned and began to walk out, he might match the 900baht price. He didn't.

Is this 1400baht price normal and Pandora? Is the 900baht price at Sayuri only for locals -- or for farangs as well? Foolishly, my first time to Chiang Mai, I took a tuk-tuk to Sayuri and paid 2.5K!!

So I thought I would try OT Massage for the first time. I paid 300baht for 1 hour oil massage. I tried to chose the youngest and cutest girl there (probably about a 7). I was tired and really wanted a relaxing massage, but wanted to get off as well. From up close, I noticed the girl had a great body, great breasts. She had me take off my clothes (completely), and then she proceeded to give me an amazing oil rubdown from the front (chest, legs, etc.). Needless to say, I was pretty hard and standing at attention. I really wanted to fuck the girl, and politely asked if this was possible. She said no, only hand-job. I smiled and tried to pursuade her (flirtaciously - spelling?), but she held her ground. I (er my rather erect buddy) even offered her 500bhat then 1K baht, but she refused saying that she was a good girl, and that I needed to go to Pandora or Sayuri. I must say, the "good girl" thing really made me want her more. She said that she would only sleep with me if we were girlfriend/boyfriend and asked if I was up for it. I declined and then she said for a 500baht tip, she would give me a hand job. Wow, 500baht? She wouldn't move from her price. I guess it was reasonable given that I had just offered as much as 1000baht.

More posts to come. Thanks for reading and any input guys.

[QUOTE=Asian John]So I thought I would try OT Massage for the first time. I paid 300baht for 1 hour oil massage. I tried to chose the youngest and cutest girl there (probably about a 7). [/QUOTE]Hi Asian John, can you remember the number of this girl? I've had success with a few (I'll PM you their numbers). One was a really good fuck and gives a sensual oil massage too. Not only that, she had a great attitude and since I was her last for the day, she offered me a lift back to my hotel as well on her motorbike as well as some of her apples which she bought from the market earlier that day. It was a true GFE all the way.

Regarding Sayuri, when I first went there early in the afternoon, the papasan wanted 2000 baht, I came back later that evening and was quoted 900 baht by a different papasan. This guy was a little shorter in height with glasses and had a darker complexion than the earlier one. May be look for him next time you're there?

One girl I had at Sayuri was so polite, that she wai me before and after fucking her. She was very nice in terms of her persoanlity as well as her looks. Man, her politeness was something really special even when she was applying the soap and the shampoo ... it's the kind of politeness and respect that a student would give towards her teacher. Next time I'm there, I'll be looking for her number again.

[QUOTE=Asian John]I am half Chinese and Japanese.

Flirtaciously - spelling?[/QUOTE]It is spelt "flirtatiously". Good effort though!

Good nationality combo by the way. Which is your main half?

Everyone,

After having been out of the game for a while, I'm starting to explore a little bit again. My current mistress is fine, but I've got the itch to try something new. Not much to report this time, a few hand jobs at a few different massage places, a few good shags at both Ton Payom and Phucome, a little chasing after good girls, and one very pleasant evening at Violin Karaoke (with a girl named Nat).

I do have a question, I guess mostly for Coma Boy. A few posts back, you corrected someone about the location of Santitam versus his directions to the "brothels off Niemenhamenda". Well, you gave me excellent directions to Santitam before, and I have had some good times there, but for the life of me I can't find these fabled brothels off Niemenhamenda. I have lived near there for almost 2 years and nothing. There is only one subsoi off of Soi 11 and I haven't seen anything. Can you landmark it for me? Give me some explicit directions, anything?

Oh, and if anyone here in CM is up for an evening out sometime, let me know.

Thanks in advance,

Thrillseeker

[QUOTE=ThrillSeeker]I do have a question, I guess mostly for Coma Boy...

...for the life of me I can't find these fabled brothels off Nimenhamenda.[/QUOTE]Am not really a good person to ask, I rarely dabbled in the brothel scene. But, yes, there are several brothels off Nimmaheimin, but also plenty all over town.

The best known among the local Thais seem to be across the river, can't remember where exactly though, but several. Mostly younger girls, and mostly daylight hours.

Am still visiting CNX every so often so will try to get some addresses to PM you.

[QUOTE=ThrillSeeker]...and one very pleasant evening at Violin Karaoke.[/QUOTE]Good work. IMO the hottest girls in town are found at the Karaokes. All are barfine-able to take back to your house/apartment/hotel, or in your case Thrillseeker, a ST hotel.

What exactly is the scene with CM Karaoke bars? Never been to one (in Thailand).
Also, if anyone can quote prices, I'd appriciate.

[QUOTE=Angel Eyes]What exactly is the scene with CM Karaoke bars? Never been to one (in Thailand).

Also, if anyone can quote prices, I'd appriciate.[/QUOTE]Most karaoke bars are similar to hostess bars and beer-bars in that you sit with girls, they drink with you, sometimes you are charged for having them sit at your table, but normally they'll be no lady drinks, unless they don't want to drink from your bottle.

You can also bar-fine them but the amount really depends on the venue- anywhere from 500 Baht to 10,000 Baht. The bar-fine usually includes the cost of sex, so you don't pay the girl any extra back in your room unless you want to tip her.

The girls are a billion times hotter than those who cater to Farang on a daily basis.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Most karaoke bars are similar to hostess bars and beer-bars in that you sit with girls, they drink with you, sometimes you are charged for having them sit at your table, but normally they'll be no lady drinks, unless they don't want to drink from your bottle.

You can also bar-fine them but the amount really depends on the venue- anywhere from 500 Baht to 10,000 Baht. The bar-fine usually includes the cost of sex, so you don't pay the girl any extra back in your room unless you want to tip her.

The girls are a billion times hotter than those who cater to Farang on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Coma Boy.
I'm guessing they charge you for the room, too.
Over all seems the damage would be more than in a go-go bar, but worth a visit if you have some friends with you.

Can you short time it at the bar? Do they have rooms there?

Comaboy, growing up in the U.S., to be honest, I don't really have a "main" half -- or, I guess I could say, I love both halves : )

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Am not really a good person to ask, I rarely dabbled in the brothel scene. But, yes, there are several brothels off Nimmaheimin, but also plenty all over town.

The best known among the local Thais seem to be across the river, can't remember where exactly though, but several. Mostly younger girls, and mostly daylight hours.

Am still visiting CNX every so often so will try to get some addresses to PM you.[/QUOTE]Coma Boy,

Would certainly appreciate any info you can give me on daytime action, it's really hard for me to slip off the leash at night (it happens, but only about once every other week). Thanks.

I hope that I can help Angel Eyes out a little, but I have limited karaoke experience. At Violin (behind Forte) I ended up paying 2100 baht for three hours with no sex. The mamasan quoted the room at 90 baht per hour, the girl at 200 per hour, and drinks (beer and SPY) were 150 each. Probably high, but worth it for me as I just wanted to unwind. I then spent an additional hour with the girl (Nat) in another room with full service. That set me back another 2000. Again, probably steep, but I was in the mood, I was there, I had the money, and it was too late to go to any of the other places I frequent.

I would certainly appreciate any feedback, or other karaoke suggestions.

Oh, Angel Eyes, if you make it up to Chiang Mai, I'd be happy to buy you a beer. Same same Coma Boy

Thrillseeker

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Most karaoke bars are similar to hostess bars and beer-bars in that you sit with girls, they drink with you, sometimes you are charged for having them sit at your table, but normally they'll be no lady drinks, unless they don't want to drink from your bottle.

You can also bar-fine them but the amount really depends on the venue- anywhere from 500 Baht to 10,000 Baht. The bar-fine usually includes the cost of sex, so you don't pay the girl any extra back in your room unless you want to tip her.

The girls are a billion times hotter than those who cater to Farang on a daily basis.[/QUOTE]Coma,

You seem to be the expert here . I presume you stay here and are an expat or?

I am from Sillypore (Singapore) and headed that way in 2 evenings. (Friday)

Would you like to get together? Do you play golf at all? We golf by day and monger by night (two of us).

Not sure if I am doing the right thing but have a girl tour guide who I met on the net for dinner the first night and she is brining a friend. However, surely would have a back-up plan for later that first night in case she plays coy and decides not to play naughty - as with all new friends.

Care to PM your mobile number?

We are still scratching around as to where to stay and are probably going to plumb for the viangbau mansion as it looks nice and neat although the location sucks as far as distance from the city. But, I understand it's near some naughty places and the rooms look great for the price.

We'd really like to check out the best "Karaoke place" at see if we can snag ourselves some of their best talents. Any recommendations ?

C

[QUOTE=ThrillSeeker]Coma Boy,

Would certainly appreciate any info you can give me on daytime action, it's really hard for me to slip off the leash at night (it happens, but only about once every other week). Thanks.

I hope that I can help Angel Eyes out a little, but I have limited karaoke experience. At Violin (behind Forte) I ended up paying 2100 baht for three hours with no sex. The mamasan quoted the room at 90 baht per hour, the girl at 200 per hour, and drinks (beer and SPY) were 150 each. Probably high, but worth it for me as I just wanted to unwind. I then spent an additional hour with the girl (Nat) in another room with full service. That set me back another 2000. Again, probably steep, but I was in the mood, I was there, I had the money, and it was too late to go to any of the other places I frequent.

I would certainly appreciate any feedback, or other karaoke suggestions.

Oh, Angel Eyes, if you make it up to Chiang Mai, I'd be happy to buy you a beer. Same same Coma Boy

Thrillseeker[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info, Thrillseeker. I don't know about the Karaoke, but 2000 for a ST with the girl seems very high. Well, as long as you enjoyed it and it didn't 'hurt' yoru pocket too much, it's a good experience.

I'll be up for that beer in maybe 2 weeks. PM me how to contact you :-)

Angel Eyes

[QUOTE=Crazier]Coma,

I presume you stay here and are an expat.

I am from Sillypore (Singapore) and headed that way.

Not sure if I am doing the right thing but have a girl tour guide for dinner the first night.

We are still scratching around as to where to stay.

We'd really like to check out the best "Karaoke place" at see if we can snag ourselves some of their best talents. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]I lived there for several years but have now moved to Bangkok. I still own an apartment in CM so visit once per month or so.

Am keen to know some people in Singapore though, as it is a good visa-run destination from BKK. (My visa requires me to take a holiday every ninety fucking days).

As for your tour-guide, it ain't a bad thing. After dinner if she's not what you want then make your excuses and leave. CM is a great town for eat out, loads of great restaurants, so it is always good to have a dinner companion.

Where to stay... hmm... all depends on budget etc. I'd stay at The Chedi if I had to stay in a CM hotel. Then again, it may still be a little damp from the floods.

And karaokes/hostess-bars, well, the best places are Ten, Twenty, New Star Palace, and several others whose names escape me. I also like some of the small places on Sri Donchai Road.

Probably the best place to stay these days:

[url]http://www.ghmhotels.com/hotels/hotel_home.asp?hotelid=15&section=home[/url]

Reasonable location, excellent rooms/facilities/restaurant/bar etc, guest-friendly, not cheap though.

Not cheap is an understatement 10400 Baht in season is only 4-8 times the price of the places I'm considering.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Not cheap is an understatement.[/QUOTE]Yep, not really an appropriate venue for long-termers, but for those on a holiday t'is ideal.

Try the Imperial Mae Ping or the Duangtawan hotel. They are walikng distant to the night market. You should be able to book them for +/- Bhat1,600with b'fast which is what I get. as for Karaokes, try Top Ten or Club Twenty, you will need ride to this places. prices are reasonable from what I know as usually my thai friend pays and you can bar fine(bhat2,000) the girl which includes the fuck.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]I lived there for several years but have now moved to Bangkok. I still own an apartment in CM so visit once per month or so.

Am keen to know some people in Singapore though, as it is a good visa-run destination from BKK. (My visa requires me to take a holiday every ninety fucking days).

As for your tour-guide, it ain't a bad thing. After dinner if she's not what you want then make your excuses and leave. CM is a great town for eat out, loads of great restaurants, so it is always good to have a dinner companion.

Where to stay... hmm... all depends on budget etc. I'd stay at The Chedi if I had to stay in a CM hotel. Then again, it may still be a little damp from the floods.

And karaokes/hostess-bars, well, the best places are Ten, Twenty, New Star Palace, and several others whose names escape me. I also like some of the small places on Sri Donchai Road.[/QUOTE]Coma,

Thanks for the reply.

Ya, I stayed at the Chedi in Bali once but for that kind of money, you really want the right kind of girlfriend (non p4p) along or, its "casting pearls to swines!"

For p4p, I usually stay in budget type places and have a ball just the same!

My final plan is to stay at the Viang Bau Mansion and Apartment for two reasons - damm cheap and the photos of the room looks great and thats all we need as we will be golfing in the day and partying out till late nights before settling in for the nightly fuckfest.

No need for even a pool and my specially arranged price is something unbelievable ! Further, I want to avoid joiner fees too for p4p.


Will check out Ten & Twenty , New Star and the smaller places as you suggested. The smaller places are Karaokes or bars or????

Will log in later to check for your reply.

Thanks for the care taken to reply.

[QUOTE=4109 ]Try the Imperial Mae Ping or the Duangtawan hotel. They are walikng distant to the night market. You should be able to book them for +/- Bhat1,600with b'fast which is what I get. as for Karaokes, try Top Ten or Club Twenty, you will need ride to this places. prices are reasonable from what I know as usually my thai friend pays and you can bar fine(bhat2,000) the girl which includes the fuck. [/QUOTE]We have a car on rental for all 3 days to get us around to golfing and all the places so being within walking distance is not key for us. Thanks for affirming the same places as Coma Boy. Will check out where is Club Twenty located with locals when we get there.

What about local pick up joints where we can try for FLs targetting locals and / or just WLs after hours such as massage girls, waitresses, Karaoke booking joint girls after duty? Those looking to make up their bank deficits? Bubbles sounds like the bottom of the barrel and I suspect that there must be some places in the city where the "men about the town" gather to be seen and pick up the choiciest ladies out on the prowl?

In Phuket which I know well, this would be Kor Tor Mor, Timber Rock and Jammin but in CM, I am LOST.

Lastly, in Phuket, most of the night places allow me to bring in my bottle of JW Black and may I presume that CM is the same being kind of upcountry like Phuket where they charge for ice and mixers when you bring your own bottle.

Your input on this could save a bundle besides the fact that having the bottle will surely help us and the girls get merry quickly enough as is my usual tactic.

Thanks once again for the inputs.

[QUOTE=Crazier]Will check out where is Club Twenty located with locals when we get there.

I suspect that there must be some places in the city where the "men about the town" gather to be seen and pick up the choiciest ladies out on the prowl?

In Phuket, most of the night places allow me to bring in my bottle of JW Black and may I presume that CM is the same.[/QUOTE]Twenty Karaoke is over by Huan Suntree Restaurant (Lanna Cummin's mum). Ten Karaoke is on Wang Sing Kham Road.

Also visit Chiang Mai Land, just off Chang-Klan road, plenty of hostess/karaoke places (Orivia, etcetera).

As a Farang your best bet for picking up girls is not the same as the Thai folk. But places like Mandalay, Bossy, X-Zone, etcetera are always good for random pick-ups. For non P4P pick-ups try Warm Up, Monkey Club, Song Saleung, etcetera.

Arctica has just closed, which is a shame, as it was an excellent student pick-up spot.

You can take your bottle of Scotch pretty much anywhere without a problem, just pay for your ice and mixers. Although, in CM, prices of fresh bottles in bars/clubs are extremely reasonable.

Oh, and the wonderful New Star Palace is located on Mahidol Road.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Twenty Karaoke is over by Huan Suntree Restaurant (Lanna Cummin's mum). Ten Karaoke is on Wang Sing Kham Road.

Also visit Chiang Mai Land, just off Chang-Klan road, plenty of hostess/karaoke places (Orivia, etcetera).

As a Farang your best bet for picking up girls is not the same as the Thai folk. But places like Mandalay, Bossy, X-Zone, etcetera are always good for random pick-ups. For non P4P pick-ups try Warm Up, Monkey Club, Song Saleung, etcetera.

Arctica has just closed, which is a shame, as it was an excellent student pick-up spot.

You can take your bottle of Scotch pretty much anywhere without a problem, just pay for your ice and mixers. Although, in CM, prices of fresh bottles in bars/clubs are extremely reasonable.[/QUOTE]Coma,

Perhaps I misled you. I am Singapore, Chinese from Singapore; one of the bananas here "yellow outside and white inside" definitely no farang.

Hope your advice still stands.

When I don't speak, they think I am Thai although I am an over 50 yr old trying to pass off as a 40 something all the time!

Anything new to add? Will be leaving for the airport in a coupld of hours!

Thanks for the inputs.

C.

Hello all!

Someone wrote that there is a day time ***** house across the river. I wish that person were more specific. It is difficult to find places in Thailand. Drivers say they understand English but they barely understand few words.

The two places around Ninamheming are open. I visited them few days ago. The prices at one of them is 450 por a pop, now. I saw acouple of *****s that were not bad! The one on the right (blue metal door), I think is less expensive.

To get there, first get to Nimanheming road, it runs paralel to the mountain. Find soi 13 which is across 7-11 store. Go on soi 13 one block then turn right it is on the left side.

There used to be another house on that same block, but apparently it is closed!

If anyone knows of others day time ***** houses, please. give directions. I visited another "Karaole" place wich is very close to Mae Ping Hotel. I saw a young beauty. 1, 000 bht one time, 2. 000 over night! No thaks, I said!

Stayed at Montri Hotel near chiang Mai Gate. Alot of hot looking street girls hand out in front of hotel - they are about 500 B each. The hotel is a good location and reasonably priced. Just down the street is a massage place that does not offer extra's. This one young girl who had massaged me last year - really got affectionate with me - kissing etc. real GFE kind of stuff. This year, in May I was back through, and this time we got affectionate again and then she really got turned on and allowed me to take her clothes off in the room and do it all. She was so tight! She never asked for anything but I tipped her well.

happy hunting[/QUOTE]

If you can live without a swimming pool, I really liked the Raming Lodge. 1200 to 1500 Baht, for some quite nicely furnished rooms. It was just built this year, and it's strategically located on Loi Kroh Rd, about 200 meters from the Taphae Gate, and a short walk to CEC and perhaps 1.5 km to the Night Market.

[QUOTE=Crazier]Coma,

Perhaps I misled you. I am Singapore, Chinese from Singapore.

Hope your advice still stands.[/QUOTE]Aha, then you should be able to pick up even hotter chicks! Asian sex-tourists are lucky; most super-hot Thai chicks don't want to associate with Farang.

Stick with the hostess bars and karaokes, or hang-out at Song Saleung or Mandalay. I've been out of town for a while so maybe some hotter hot-spots have recently opened.

As Samu Ray stated, the brothels are indeed there. I went out last Wednesday for one last look, and finally found them. I've probably driven by there 50 or 60 times and just never payed them much attention.

As stated, they are on the sub-soi between Soi 13 and Soi 17 (Soi 15 ends before it reaches this sub-soi). There are two "houses" on the east side of the sub-soi. I only visited the southern-most "house". It has a sign that says that it is a karaoke, there is a bar, and a K-TV, and a few passable girls. Most of the girls seemed to be early twenties. I took one, Naam, after chatting with a few of them. Total cost was 575 baht, which included the large Beer Singha I drank while chatting. There was one real stunner there, but she seems only to be a singer, she avoided everyone. I wouldn't call the place lively, but there were several people there and the girls were friendly enough. It also seems to be quite busy, lots of "service" going on.

The vacant house between the two "houses" is, I think, the place they use for the short times. At least that is the way it felt. When Naam and I left the karaoke, we went out the back, throught some patios/washing areas, to the north and then back into a hallway with rooms down both sides. I'm pretty sure it was the middle house. I would bet that both houses use this area for short times. I will check out the other place soon and try to confirm this.

Hope this helps some of you, I'll be tring to locate the daytime houses across the river when time and the ball and chain permit.

Thrillseeker

greetings!

i'm looking for your opinions on st places before 2pm. unlike bangkok, massage parlors like sayuri and pandora don't open until 2pm. i went to pandora a couple of days ago at 2pm. there were only 3 girls working (a 6, 6&7), however, 2 of the 3 were "pre-booked". i was left with 1 choice. also, unfortunately, there is no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], star of light or eden club open in the early afternoon. another option before 2pm in chiang mai is ot massage. however, out of the 3 times i've visited, i was able to get laid only once. 2 of the 3 girls would only do hand-jobs. and honestly, i asked politely (did not demand), smiled alot and was very friendly! i've concluded that ot massage is inconsistent (never know what you're going to get).

are these "houses"/karaoke bars that thrillseeker has written about open before 2pm? i remember when i visited cm for the first time, a tuk-tuk driver took me to a small place (with an orange door and wall at the entrance) that seemed like a private house. from what i remember, it was located on a side street just east of nim street, and just north of suthep rd. when i entered, i saw about 25 girls just seated there. there was a small bar and i just sat there while 25 girls smiled at me. i picked one, 600baht, then i was taken to a room (not the cleanest). right away, she came at me, and i ended up popping twice (once in her mouth and once in her pussy w/ condom). i asked if the place had a name, and he said "no name". and then he said, this place is only for thais (i'm half chinese and japanese). i guess since i'm asian, i was admitted. however, i did see a white-farang at the bar, but he spoke thai fluently. since then, i haven't been able to find the place again.

anways, back to my question: where do you frequent when you want some action before 2pm? (other than ot massage).

thanks for your feedback!

Before 2pm I'd either pick up a Loi-Kroh girl or grab someone at Kad Suan Kaew or Airport Plaza.

The brothels all open around 11am, most close by 6pm.

Anyway, something I think confuses some folk- karaoke doesn't mean you have to literally sing-a-song. Any hostess bar that happens to have a TV with VCD and microphone somewhere on the premises will use the term karaoke.

Even the places with plenty of real karaoke facilities will usually have an open/public/drinking/hostess type area. I like this as you can watch Japanese guys singing whilst sat with a couple of cuties.

I never sing (except in the shower), rarely rent a karaoke room, yet enjoy many karaoke venues.

Thanks for the reply Coma Boy. I appreciate the feedback.

Wow, I had no idea that girls made themselves available at Airport Plaza or Kad Suen Kaew! I imagine this isn't a usual mongering spot for afternoon quickies right? I imagine that these venues are more to meet a girl in a casual setting and to hook up later on that night, right? Or am I wrong? Can one actually go to these malls (on a regular basis) and proposition a black skirted smiling girl for a ST??? If so, where at AP and KSK? Could you clarify when you get the chance? Thanks again Coma Boy!

By the way, I went to Sayuri the other day (around 4PM) -- #62 -- She's 31 yrs old (Noy) - looks like she's in her early 20's (as most thai girls do) - petite girl, 12 yr old son - small tits - but pretty darn tight.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Asian John]I had no idea that girls made themselves available at Airport Plaza or Kad Suen Kaew! I imagine this isn't a usual mongering spot for afternoon quickies right?[/QUOTE]No, it's not a mongering spot, and girls here aren't looking for customers, but there are so many girls out shopping that it is almost impossible not to pick someone up.

You either pick-up an obvious hooker, and drag her back to your apartment, paying her if necessary. After all, most hookers, when they're not sleeping will hang out at the mall.

Or just any girl who looks like she may be fun. There are plenty of non-working-girls who enjoy afternoon sex.

Or, worse case scenario is that you just get a bunch of phone numbers and dinner/drinking dates.

But, I've never once failed to get afternoon booty by hunting at the mall. I also enjoy afternoon sex more as it doesn't come with a nasty hangover.

Ok, I went back to the houses on the sub-soi off Neimenheimenda yesterday and I need to update just a bit. Soi 15 does make it as far as the sub-soi; it actually ends at this sub-soi and the houses are between Soi's 13 and 15. It's amazing what driving through in the daytime and sober will do for your perception. Additionally, there is another sub-soi between Soi's 13 and 17; it is much smaller, but it is there. It is the sub-soi where the bar Old Skool is located. Not much of interest there, but I just wanted to clarify that there are indeed two sub-sois, not just the one.

I went back to the same house (will eventually explore the others) because a lovely thing caught my eye. Had a pretty decent mid-afternoon romp with Tip. She told me that there were three houses there but that her house (the karaoke) had the prettiest girls. I couldn't quite figure out where the third house was, it may have it's entrance on Soi 13, I couldn't tell. For Asian John, the house on Soi 13 does have an orange wall, the gate is gray, but it could be the same place you remember. Tip also told me that Thai men pay 300 baht; us farangs pay 500 or as much as they can convince us of. I can't really quibble over 200 baht, others might. Just as an aside, I drove back by at about 7 PM and both houses seemed closed. Since I've been there at night before, I can only assume it had to do with the flooding down in Hang Dong yesterday morning.

My quest for other daytime action is getting closer. I have enlisted an old booty call to help me. I told her to find them and then she could take me around and let me have some fun. She should call me in a day or two. I'll give a full report when I know more. She did tell me that the police have recently cracked down on Santitam and that there are no more burmese girls "without passports" there right now.

Thrillseeker

just popped up to cnx for a couple of nights. since relocating to bkk i've been neglecting cm, and i miss my condo and motorbike here.

as an experiment i risked flying economy-class. the stupid thai guy in the seat in front seemed to think it was acceptable to hang his fucking arm over the back of his seat, invading my space. despite trapping his fingers in my fold-down table at every opportunity the fool didn't seem to get the message. i should have said something really but was too polite/shy/cowardly. instead i fantasised about burning his stupid hand with a lighter, or sticking needles under his grotty fingernails.

so, after that hellish hour, i landed in my old hunting grounds, and despite having been absent for a mere six weeks was amazed to see how much has changed. despite the season, cm is thriving- new banks, new cafes, new bars, new restaurants, that very nice new black canyon on the corner of rachadamnern, etcetera.

anyway, for old times sake went down to cec, and the place was doing pretty well, plenty of girls, not too many tourists, etcetera.

ended up drink-driving as usual, which i know isn't exactly socially acceptable, but i rehearse drink-driving to ensure that i'll be a safer drunk-driver when am really hammered.

dropped into an after-hours place (just a loi-kroh bar in fact), allowed the staff to take photos of my penis, and then went home with a lively young thing.

unfortunately she was a back-scratcher, and consequently, i'm now marked. am dating a bkk girl right now, to whom i promised to be good, but fortunately we played a weird [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] scenario sex game a couple of nights ago, so the new scratches should blend in.

good tip guys- encourage your gf to scratch, bite, and maul you before any excursions into infidelity.

also, cm has gotta be the easiest place in los to pick up a non-working girl. you can just chat to people in the street, the mall, wherever, and arrange a date. am sure it wasn't this easy six weeks ago.

I was at the brothel with the side door entrance in late August. I visited all three but this last one was the best. It had 20 plus women and a handful of older men hanging around drinking. I must have been there around 11am.

I used a room there, 500 baht, and a lovely girl, very sweet and agreeable. I am told by a local that these ladies work at massage parlors at night...so this is either not open or very slow at night.

It is not easy to find, as a year ago was closed by the police for some short period.

Today, based on Thrillseeker's great directions, I ventured to the Neimenheimenda area to see if I could find my afternoon quickie. I took Neimenheimenda road and turned on the Soi when I saw the 7-11 (heading East). The first Soi I came to I turned right. Sure enough I saw the Karaoke bars on my left. I parked and headed in -- it was about 11:30AM. Only 4 girls were "on-duty". There was a bar, a large Karaoke machine and various TVs. I picked "Nott", who seemed to be the youngest, however, she was a bit business like. The other 3 looked slightly over weight, but still young. She quoted me a price of 500baht and wouldn't negotiate. Hrmm...I figured since it's rainy season here, I thought I'd get a price break. But nope. Anyways, she took me to the back through a couple of hallways (similar to what Thrillseeker described) to a back house with a string of rooms--pretty dirty. She handed me a piece of cloth (not quite a towel). Then she began to disrobe via the normal Thai ritual of wrapping the towel around her waist in modesty...I'm not sure I quite understand that yet... I find that she's 22 and hasn't had kids yet. She has a beautiful body with great breasts - full-handfuls with large nipples -- still perky!! Anyways, she lays down beside me and we chit-chat and laugh a bit. She asks me several questions while she plays with my cock. She then slides a rubber on and attempts to mount me. I ask for "smoking" (bj), but she informs me that she doesn't "smoke"...damn! We fuck in various positions, but reverse cowgirl is a no-no for some reason. Anyways, with all the restrictions, I don't have the best time. I tip her 150 baht and leave a bit unfulfilled. As I drive away, I pass the other brothel with the orange wall (and grey door). However, it looks to be closed. The door is shut, but the sliding eye-hole is open...looks like a members only club. Perhaps it isn't open. From what I remember, that place had much better/larger selection!

Does anyone know when New Palace Karaoke opens? I passed about around 11:15AM and saw about 8 motorbikes...does this equate to at least 8 girls??

I just visited the third of the Neimendheimenda houses, I think the same one Hari Hara just reported on. This house is located on the corner of Soi 13 and the sub-soi with the other houses and has it's entrance on Soi 13. It has an orange wall with a gray gate. If the gate is unlocked, they are open. Once through the gate there is a small courtyard/parking pad and then a door to the left. I went today about 2 PM and there were about 15 girls/women and 5 or 6 older Thai men sitting around drinking. The women were from a solid 2 to maybe a decent 7 or so. One was in her mid fifties, several in their early twenties, and the rest late twenties to early thirties. I didn't take much notice of the men. :)

After a beer, I took Mai for a spin. She is quite thin, bleached hair, darker skin. She was not bad, but her breasts were a bit saggy when the bra came off. The rest of her; however, was quite pleasant and she worked very hard for the time that we were together.

There are a few, maybe three, others that I will probably try out in the near future. One real cutie, but she was just coming out of one of the rooms as I was going in. There was also one with really nice breasts, probably fake, but they really looked good.

Anyway, the whole adventure set me back 580 baht. The 80 was for the beer.

Hope that this helps some of you find your way around the neighborhood, if you need more explicit directions, just let me know.

My favorite booty call is bringing over a friend this evening for me to try out. If she is any good I will let you all know.

Thrillseeker

Need advice from forum bros.

Will be going to CM for 1st time in Nov. 1)Need recommendations on hotels on the cheap -decent places but no real dirty run down places (want to save for the real actions), but hopefully walking distance to the action. 2)Is CM a walking friendly place or are the tourist sites away from the girl action places. Since its my 1st time there, I will want to see the tourist spots for 1-2 days and girl action at nite. 3)any buses run from the CM airport to city (hotel area) or just taxi?

For the Neimenheimenda area

Please note that North is to the left in this map.


[url]http://www.travelfish.org/map_detail/thailand/northern_thailand/chiang_mai/chiang_mai/28[/url]

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Need advice from forum bros.

Will be going to CM for 1st time in Nov. 1)Need recommendations on hotels on the cheap -decent places but no real dirty run down places (want to save for the real actions), but hopefully walking distance to the action. 2)Is CM a walking friendly place or are the tourist sites away from the girl action places. Since its my 1st time there, I will want to see the tourist spots for 1-2 days and girl action at nite. 3)any buses run from the CM airport to city (hotel area) or just taxi?[/QUOTE]You could try the Top North Hotel which does not get any closer to the action but is still a decent hotel for the price. You can walk to the "action" in approx 3 mins.(right across the road) I am sure other people will have better sugestions but I have stayed there before and never had any complaints.

For the tourist spots you will have to arrange transport either hire a baht bus for the day or go on a organised tour.

Getting from the airport to the city is a simple taxi ride price fixed at 120baht. As you leave the baggage claim turn left and the 2nd or 3rd counter is for getting your taxi. Just tell them where you want to go and they fill out a cupon and then you leave via the exit next to there and hand your ticket over and they will take you to your hotel. You just pay the drive 120baht when you get there.

Hope this helps

Did Chiang mai flood? watching thai TV and cant quite make out if the flooding in that far north or not

Yes, it flooded big-time.

[QUOTE=Damn Shame]You could try the Top North Hotel which does not get any closer to the action but is still a decent hotel for the price. You can walk to the "action" in approx 3 mins.(right across the road) I am sure other people will have better sugestions but I have stayed there before and never had any complaints.

For the tourist spots you will have to arrange transport either hire a baht bus for the day or go on a organised tour.

Getting from the airport to the city is a simple taxi ride price fixed at 120baht. As you leave the baggage claim turn left and the 2nd or 3rd counter is for getting your taxi. Just tell them where you want to go and they fill out a cupon and then you leave via the exit next to there and hand your ticket over and they will take you to your hotel. You just pay the drive 120baht when you get there.

Hope this helps[/QUOTE]You bet, thanks--any info is always helpful for a newbie in CM for 1st time.

1) I forgot to add that if anyone have a list of decent and cheap guest friendly hotels or even decent guesthouses(GF of course) near the action ?(guessing bar action near the old city area? based on location of recommended Top North Hotel. BTW-whats the going rate on this place?

2) Best way of getting around CM, if need to travel around alot. ex: lets say to Nimmanhaemin RD as some bros suggest.. taxi only or do they have some sort of public transport system like Pattaya of even BKK.

3) Whats the current going rate for bar fines, ST and definitely LT. Is it cheaper than BKK or Pattaya?

Thanks again for the help guys.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Yes, it flooded big-time.[/QUOTE]Flooding? was gonna say Youre kidding me right, but guess not.

Wonder if this will affect me in Nov (around NOV 6) and whats the general weather around the beginning of NOV. up there. I know its a tropical country but heard it does get very chilly up north (not sure if that includes CM)

Afterall, Florida is suppose to be sub-tropical but I've been there in Jan around Orlando area and we had freakin Frost at nite.

it doesn't get "cold" at ground level (meaning down in the ciity) - you need to go "up" (the mountains) to find the frost - but it was "nicer" meaning about 5C cooler there last year than "south"

it's not Florida - its a LOT farther south (at 12 deg latitude, its FULL tropics, not "sub")

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]2) Best way of getting around CM, if need to travel around alot. ex: lets say to Nimmanhaemin RD as some bros suggest.. taxi only or do they have some sort of public transport system like Pattaya of even BKK.[/QUOTE]Rent or buy a motorbike, otherwise use Tuk-Tuks, or Songtaews.

Phantomtiger2,

Don't forget the buses. CM has an elaborate public transport system.

It can get cold enough up there to be miserable in just shorts and a t-shirt.
The winter of 1999-2000 was particularly nasty: Frost all over the North and North-East and hundreds of people dying.

[QUOTE=Freeler]Phantomtiger2,

Don't forget the buses. CM has an elaborate public transport system.

It can get cold enough up there to be miserable in just shorts and a t-shirt.
The winter of 1999-2000 was particularly nasty: Frost all over the North and North-East and hundreds of people dying.[/QUOTE]I know only Bus no 10 which takes you from the airport half way around the moat, then intra muros and later down Chiang Moi Road to Warorot market. It is aircon, costs 10B and is very comfortable. Unfortunately, you can't really take it to go to the airport because it goes out Hangdong road to a residential area first. And it seems to be less and less frequent lately, so you have to be patient.

Where did you see the rest of the "elaborate public transport system"? Did I miss something?

[QUOTE=Freeler]Phantomtiger2,

Don't forget the buses. CM has an elaborate public transport system.

It can get cold enough up there to be miserable in just shorts and a t-shirt.
The winter of 1999-2000 was particularly nasty: Frost all over the North and North-East and hundreds of people dying.[/QUOTE]I'm from the Northeast (NY) and brother do I know what cold is, last two years, been digging my ass out over 3 feet of snow--avg 5-6inches every time it snows. This while all U bros sitting in shorts and tees holding a beer in one hand and tits in the other (envy U guys).

So is there a map (on line if possible for these public bus routes? also what is the latest hours they run at nite and cost/ride?

Songthews-(somesort of pickup up truck with benches)heard of them but never been on one, what are their routes and their cost/ride? Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Songthews- heard of them but never been on one, what are their routes and their cost/ride?[/QUOTE]Songtaews take you anywhere you want to go. They pick up any passenger who flags them down, and you tell the driver where you want to go. If your destination is convenient for the other passengers then- yes, hop in. Otherwise, wait four seconds for the next one to come along.

They have cost 10 Baht for years, but apparently the prices have just risen.

Seriously though, rent a motorbike.

Good local knowledge can be gained from Chiang Mai's City-Life magazine:

[url]http://www.chiangmainews.com/[/url]

[quote=coma boy]

seriously though, rent a motorbike.

note:

only rode a moped once,(15 years ago and only for about 10 minutes with no real traffic to speak of at that time) but im a good bicycle rider(regular 15 speed mountain bicycle-dont know if this will help.

but feelin adventurous so, ok guys, almost talked me into renting, so from all you expert bikers out there, how about a quick lesson in motorbike 101:

1) wheres best place to rent (as certain quality of bikes in locations may vary alot.

2) set price for rentals? of neg. hard for price--sort of like practice before meeting bar gals--ha ha.

the reasonable price range i should keep to as not to be ripped off (max price

3) need to buy bike insurance or waste of money?

4) what model of bike is best to look out for --assuming renting the smallest type models(ex. honda, yamaha? etc.

5) need to lock up bike when not in use ? locks included? so(if get stolen, will i be liable?)

6) better to rent for daily use and return daily or multiple days (see question 5 about parking---especially overnite)

7) need to fill tank before returning?

8) rent helmets or cums with bike?

9) never been to cm so not sure what kinda traffic is involved there(heavy or light or simply what hours to avoid being on the road ex: been to bkk and i would never drive or even think of riding motorbike there--day or nite, 24/7

10)hmm--tried to come up with 10 ques. but cant think of 1 more, so feel free to add

ok heres #10) whats weather like about nov 4-8, so could decide if i should be renting motor bike or a boat (based on all the flooding reports i saw)

btw: feel free to add anyway. thanks. pt

[QUOTE=ThrillSeeker]I just visited the third of the Neimendheimenda houses, I think the same one Hari Hara just reported on. This house is located on the corner of Soi 13 and the sub-soi with the other houses and has it's entrance on Soi 13. It has an orange wall with a gray gate. If the gate is unlocked, they are open.
Thrillseeker[/QUOTE]Read thru these Neimendheimenda area post and definitely sparked my interest. Will try to make it there for a look and quicky. But looking at the map provided by the [url]www.travelfish[/url] link( by a helpful bro), this area looks out of the way from almost everything. So, if I do try to get there, how would I know where Soi 13 , Soi 15 or Soi 17 is?--Im assuming all street signs are in thai so nothing here will be in readable english?

BTW: How do you even say Neimendheimenda in Thai? Having trouble even trying to spell the whole street name.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]I'm a good bicycle rider.

Where's best place to rent? Set price for rentals? Need to buy bike insurance? What model of bike is best to look out for? Need to lock up bike when not in use? Rent helmets? Never been to CM so not sure what kinda traffic is involved there?[/QUOTE]Being a good cyclist helps a lot as it gives you good spatial awareness, road sense, etc.

I only rented a couple of times before buying so not really sure which is the best rental place but I think I prefered the little place in the soi next to Wat Mahawun (or whatever it is called- it's in the soi kind of opposite Taepae Soi 2), or rent from Paul at Pagoda Inn, or Rajawitee Road has a place called Mr Beer that I've also previously used. But there are bike places everywhere.

Think you can rent for about 150 Baht+ per day, depending on the bike. I used to rent Honda Sonics for 3000 Baht/month. Don't think the topic of insurance ever arose (but can't remember clearly), every time I damaged a bike I had it repaired myself before returning. Helmets are always offered, but I've never used one (try not to crash, and quickly slip the police 100 Baht (UNDER their clipboard) if they pull you over).

You don't need any extra locks. Model of bike is really up to you- most basic are Honda Waves or Honda Dreams (no clutch), then Honda Sonics are small and fun (but with clutch), then once you've mastered the basics you can get a big meaty chopper if you like, or a "fake" big-bike such as the Honda Phantom.

The traffic is pleasant enough in Chiang Mai, an ideal place to drive around, although the one-way systems are a little frustrating at times.

If after crashing you're still conscious, ask for Chiang Mai Ram hospital as it's the best in town.

You might want to consider renting one of the larger bikes in C.M. Especially if you want to go up the mountain to Wat Doi Sotep with a personal guide. Plenty of yings would love to accompany you there. I usually rent one of the 250cc Hondas. It has enough power, yet not too powerful. Won't pull wheelies or be good off road. But good enough for around town and on the highway. I think the price was about 500 THB per day including helmet.

Tried to go to Neimendheimenda places, I think I found 'them' because I saw the orange house with the gray door. However, that place was closed. In the sub-soi, I saw one karaoke place - with 2 doors. Could it be what you guys decribed? Anyway, the time was 17:30 so I thought they were still open. On the 'porch' there was a good looking girl putting on makeup, but inside only 2 Thai guys on the couches plus 2 workers, male and female, not sure what they were doing. Everyone ignored me... I tried to talk to the girl outside, but didn't get much attention.

Do you need to speak Thai to go there?

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Read thru these Neimendheimenda area post and definitely sparked my interest. Will try to make it there for a look and quicky. But looking at the map provided by the [url]www.travelfish[/url] link( by a helpful bro), this area looks out of the way from almost everything. So, if I do try to get there, how would I know where Soi 13 , Soi 15 or Soi 17 is?--Im assuming all street signs are in thai so nothing here will be in readable english?

BTW: How do you even say Neimendheimenda in Thai? Having trouble even trying to spell the whole street name.[/QUOTE]Phantomtiger2: I'd try to get a Songthaew to Amari Rincome Hotel which is at the corner of Huay Kaew Road and Nimmanhemin, then walk from there; i'ts not all that far. Huay Kaew is the Road where Kad Suan Kaew Department Store is located.

People seem to transliterate Thai names in various ways although there is an official "Royal" method of writing Thai with latin characters. The one in my heading, I believe, is used on the street signs and also by the Lonely Planet.

Granted the pronounciation is terrible. You first need a Thai person who takes the time to teach you and laughs her head off everytime you try to pronounce it. And then find a Songthaew driver who understands you. I was sitting next to one when he was flagged down by two asian ladies who wanted to go to Kad Suan Kaew. It was clear to me where they wanted to go but it took him a long time comprehend. Seemed like he wanted to make it a point that Farangs are stupid.

"If after crashing you're still conscious, ask for Chiang Mai Ram hospital as it's the best in town." reason enough not to rent one.


Ever notice how many Thais have scars on their shoulder, elbows, legs, knees??? I'll stick with walking in the sidewalk or 4 wheels. M&M

[QUOTE=softlover]Phantomtiger2: I'd try to get a Songthaew to Amari Rincome Hotel which is at the corner of Huay Kaew Road and Nimmanhemin, then walk from there; i'ts not all that far. Huay Kaew is the Road where Kad Suan Kaew Department Store is located.[/QUOTE]Thanks Softlover,

Id definitely try 1st and get to area via Amari Rin. hotel, but that will kinda still leave me with not really knowing how many streets or what Soi # streets to watch out for as I walk (i believe north) on Neim. Rd?

[QUOTE=ThrillSeeker] She did tell me that the police have recently cracked down on Santitam and that there are no more burmese girls "without passports" there right now[/QUOTE]If you guys are seeking Burmese pussies, check out my report in the "Burma, Rangoon" thread. There are many young gorgeous Burmese beauties to be had in Rangoon. There are 2 flights a day to Rangoon (Yangon) from Bangkok with Thai Airways and fares are around 6000 baht. Air Mandalay also flies from Chiang Mai to Yangon (via Mandalay) once a week.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Thanks Softlover,

Id definitely try 1st and get to area via Amari Rin. hotel, but that will kinda still leave me with not really knowing how many streets or what Soi # streets to watch out for as I walk (i believe north) on Neim. Rd?[/QUOTE]Phantomtiger2,

If the map on travelfish is correct, the sois will be on your left, past the Amari main entrance, and you will be heading south (to the right of the map). I believe the sois have street signs. I didn't know about the girls' places when I was in that area, but i will check them out in a couple of weeks when I'm back in CNX. Let's stay tuned!

I have just discovered that there is a Hard Rock Cafe in Chiang Mai. Does anyone have any experience with the HRC in CM? I have had good luck in other HRCs, especially Manila and Beijing. I am going to CM this weekend and will check it out and report back on the forum.

It is NOT a Hard Rock Cafe, it is simply a crappy bar, often frequented by ladyboys and tourists, that has a H-R-C sign.

Makati's H-R-C is a great pick up spot though, as is BKK's.

[QUOTE=softlover]Phantomtiger2,

If the map on travelfish is correct, the sois will be on your left, past the Amari main entrance, and you will be heading south (to the right of the map). I believe the sois have street signs. I didn't know about the girls' places when I was in that area, but i will check them out in a couple of weeks when I'm back in CNX. Let's stay tuned![/QUOTE]Softlover,

Absolutely right. Notice that I should be walking south and not north, got a little confused by the map being turned sideways with North going left.

Hoping the street signs will have Soi numbers in english as to decrease the chance of me walking down the wrong soi and knocking on the wrong orange door and having a guy with a machete with 3 kids answering--ha ha.

No wonder I couldn't find the Hard Rock Cafe.

I also tried to find the Bunny Club using a map from the internet. No luck. It seems to have been replaced by the Hungry Beaver or something like that.

[QUOTE=Retired Army]I also tried to find the Bunny Club using a map from the internet. No luck. It seems to have been replaced by the Hungry Beaver or something like that.[/QUOTE]Can anyone confirm this? Has the Bunny Club finally gone.

Good riddance to the place, it had so much potential yet was full of scabby hags. A few years ago it was actually quite good- the closest thing to a BJ-bar in Chiang Mai, then it steadily and rapidly went downhill. After the Farang owner "died", the remaining girls stopped hiring anyone younger and better looking than themselves.

If the new owners have any sense it could be really good. Will go to check for myself next time I'm in town.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Softlover,

Absolutely right. Notice that I should be walking south and not north, got a little confused by the map being turned sideways with North going left.

Hoping the street signs will have Soi numbers in english as to decrease the chance of me walking down the wrong soi and knocking on the wrong orange door and having a guy with a machete with 3 kids answering--ha ha.[/QUOTE]Phantomtiger 2,

I am quite optimistic that we will find bilingual street signs with Arabic numerals, but I know that even many Thais consider those English and might get out a machete if you try to convince them of the truth.

Cannot wait to take picture of the orange door.

[QUOTE=softlover]Phantomtiger 2,

I am quite optimistic that we will find bilingual street signs with Arabic numerals, but I know that even many Thais consider those English and might get out a machete if you try to convince them of the truth.

Cannot wait to take picture of the orange door.[/QUOTE]If this websites is anything to go by, Chiang Mai street signs are bilingual with roman numerals.

[url]http://www.gocnx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=122[/url]

It'd be great if we can get directions for this place such as those given in the website above for Sayuri. :D

Of all the places in CNX to get some, those Nimma-houses are fucking low on the list.

Why all the interest? Just because you can't read the road signs to find the place doesn't mean it's gonna be amazing when you finally do.

Road signs are in ENG and THAI- CNX is one of the most touristy towns in SEA.

Get a grip guys- you want good pussy but you're looking in the wrong places.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Of all the places in CNX to get some, those Nimma-houses are fucking low on the list.

Why all the interest? Just because you can't read the road signs to find the place doesn't mean it's gonna be amazing when you finally do.

Road signs are in ENG and THAI- CNX is one of the most touristy towns in SEA.

Get a grip guys- you want good pussy but you're looking in the wrong places.[/QUOTE]Comaboy,

You may be an expert here but since I have a few days to "explore" CM--note: It'll be my 1st time here, so I figure I want to explore some options not available elsewhere. (for example-not too many know where local brothels are located in BKK). Its just my sense of being adventurous.

By all means, Let me know what ever other actions are available that you consider the "right places to visit" , I am always open to all suggestions. Admit I am a newbie here and willing to learn from all experience mongers.

Cheers,

PT

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Of all the places in CNX to get some, those Nimma-houses are fucking low on the list.

Why all the interest? Just because you can't read the road signs to find the place doesn't mean it's gonna be amazing when you finally do.

Road signs are in ENG and THAI- CNX is one of the most touristy towns in SEA.

Get a grip guys- you want good pussy but you're looking in the wrong places.[/QUOTE]Sorry, Sir, for disturbing your peace. You're a man of distinction and your wisdom is great!

But I have paid my 19.95, stay on topic and don't offend anyone. So if I say something that's of no importance to you, just UYFSB (i.e. use your scrollbar) and go past it, thanks!

Relax Softlover.

Just baffled as to why so many column inches have been dedicated to such mediocre hunting grounds. After reading multiple posts on the topic a visitor could suffer a major dissapointment.

Perhaps posting under the Black-Label spell distorted my intended message.

PS: "Ignore" (in User CP) beats UYFSB.

Phantomtiger has a better approach- trying something new/different is why we leave home in the first place.

Phantomtiger has a better approach- trying something new/different is why we leave home in the first place.[/QUOTE]Better believe it, dont know if anything is to my taste unless I tried it first. In fact, if all my fantasy came true while Im there, may never go back home--ha ha

So need your take on where I should go to find good pussy (at a reasonable price of course). These local brothels are good for a "day time quickie only"-, so need recommendations for how and where I should spend my nites and best places to pick up LT (either FL or bar).

Cheers

BTW: I will be there first week in Nov., anyone know (from previous experiences, not that I expect you can predict the weather), if all that flooding would be gone by then?

The flooding has already gone.

Aside from the usual beer-bars, MPs, karaokes, try both Forte and Violin, both on the road towards Airport Plaza.

Also (if you still have youth on your side), CNX is an excellent city for picking up random girls in the street or shopping centres.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]The flooding has already gone.

Aside from the usual beer-bars, MPs, karaokes, try both Forte and Violin, both on the road towards Airport Plaza.

Also (if you still have youth on your side), CNX is an excellent city for picking up random girls in the street or shopping centres.[/QUOTE]Ah, youth on my side--only wish that was true( Im about 48y/o. Truth is, I didnt even feel youthful even when I was a youth--ha ha

So, now that you know I wont be picking up random gals anytime soon, will be helpful for list of more "sure" places for the promise land (meaning my hotel room).

Thanks CB

not mean to start a flame, but coma boy is the kind of guys that make sunshine out of bull shit and seriously damage the credibility of the forum. does he ever consider how many guys spend their hard earned money to come to cm mostly because they believe what he said?

picking up a girl from street / mall / non-hooker bar is very very difficult, if not impossible. the language barrier is the major hurdle, for most cm people speak zero english. so even if a girl is interested in you, there’s no way to communicate, and two people can’t just stare at each other forever.

bear in mind, any single foreign male in cm is presumably a sex tourist until proven otherwise. like it or not, that’s the locals’ view. if you were a hansuman in your country, would you consider dating an old fat thai female sex tourist?

cm women are beautiful. but, you won’t see them in pay&play places. in such places, most of the women are from chiang rai. they are short, fat, dark, buck-teethed, not at all as attractive as cm women. again, their english level is so low that they only expect you pay, play, then leave.

so what are your options?

go go bars and beer bars: ugly girls, play and pay. if you don’t like nana girls, then don’t bother.

lady houses: rep001tered across town. open early, both st and lt are available. girls look better than those in go go bars but still shitty. the biggest issue is you pay up front. once you pay, you loose power. don’t expect much and you’ll be happy.

mp: fat chicks, not worth the money.

freelancer bars: notably bubbles. most girls there are off shift bar girls, a few “regular girls” looking for farangs for whatever reasons.

karaokes: have the best looking girls in the pay&play places. unfortunately, they want to extract as many lady drinks as they can before they tell you they don’t go with customers.

there are several high class discos full of grade a babes. but, unless you are fluent in thai, young and look brat pitt, you can only watch the eye candy. mind you, these girls are from well to do families. they go to the clubs in mercedes and drop a few thousand baht a night, easily.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Aside from the usual beer-bars, MPs, karaokes, try both Forte and Violin, both on the road towards Airport Plaza. QUOTE]Coma Boy,

Can you please give me the heads up on Forte and Violin. I have drove past them several times but always thought they where just a Thai club.

I have been living in Chiang Mai now for 5 months and have to say on the whole have been disappointed with the choice of pussy, but I guess I have been looking in the wrong places.

Thanks in advance for your help.

As I am visiting Chian Mai in december, I looked up in this forum for girl friendly hotels.

My 1st choice was the Royal Peninsula because it seems to have modern, large, confortable rooms and (quite important for me) in-room electtronic safety boxes.

I was very surprise to be annouced 400 baht as joiner fee in case the lady does not check in with me on arrival.

I (kindly) refused saying that I won't pay extra fee as there is no extra cost for the hotel if I have already paid for a double room, but I am still looking for a mid range price hotel (1000-1500 baht), good location, in-room safe and no joiner fee.

Any idea?

[QUOTE=Satang]1- Does he ever consider how many guys come to CM because they believe what he said?

2- Picking up a girl from street/ mall/ non-hooker bar is very very difficult, if not impossible.

3- They want to extract as many lady drinks as they can before they tell you they don’t go with customers.

4- Most CM people speak zero English.[/QUOTE]1- You piece of crap! I've always provided honest advice regarding CM as I know the city well.

2- Perhaps that says something about you.

3- Most DO go with customers, just not with you apparently.

4- Have you ever even visited CM?

Yes agreed on all points.....I can only imagine Satang is a 'sad old git' or has lost the ability to 'chat-up' a girl. What he says is really not true.
Many of the girls you find out are very well educated....speak some English...and if you show some charm....are very do-able...(unless thier Virgins of course...and even then some fun can be had!)
But of course you have to do some work and might get rejected. But that is true anywhere. And if it really is a disaster you can head for Bubbles/Spicy....drown your sorrows...and then through your beer goggles you will find Miss Right!
It is a good idea if you are on the hunt to dress reasonably....ie not t-shirts, shorts and sandals (often with socks) and no 'ethnic Hippy gear either. Reasonably smart will do you lots of favours....
Wayne

CB has CM spot on. I personally have picked up 3 girls from a mall. I have picked up a girl outside a 7-11. I have picked up a CM college girl. I have picked up another college girl working at a small bar next to a disco. CM is a great place!

Hi
Anyone have info on Duangtawan Hotel in CM or Imperial Golden Triangle Resort in Chiang Rai? Thx Fred

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Anyone have info on Duangtawan Hotel in CM?[/QUOTE]What d'you need to know? DT is girl-friendly, reasonably priced, new, has a good pool (that is unfortunately sometimes too cold and always too shallow), has a great jacuzzi, is within walking distance of the Night Bazaar, Foxy Lady, CEC, the Loi-Kroh bars, apparently has decent enough rooms, and eager tuk-tuks and a 7-11 on your doorstep.

There are several high class discos full of grade A babes. But, unless you are fluent in Thai, young and look Brat Pitt, you can only watch the eye candy. Mind you, these girls are from well to do families. They go to the clubs in Mercedes and drop a few thousand baht a night, easily.[/QUOTE]Not so. Maybe 10 % of the girls in these places go their in their (familys) Mercedes. But they don´t go there alone, so its difficult to pick up a girl there and do the deed the same night. But often does this happen to you in your home country?

I am convinced it is easier to get to know a girl 15 years younger than you are in a high class Chiang Mai disco than in any western country.

But if you ask her during the first hour after meeting if she wants to join in your hotel than.

[QUOTE=Satang]
Picking up a girl from street / mall / non-hooker bar is very very difficult, if not impossible. The language barrier is the major hurdle, for most CM people speak zero English. [/QUOTE]
Satang,
I found your report on CM to be misleading. Apparently you have difficuly meeting girls because I've always found CM to be a great spot to meet very attractive pro and non pro girls. The malls and clubs have always been very good to me. One of the best experiences I've ever had was with a receptionist at the Four Seasons in Mae Rim, who I picked up basically by smiling at her; maybe you could try smiling or brushing up on technique.
I think your posts are well meaning (except for the wierd attack on Coma Boy), but both your Chiang Mai and Rangoon posts reek of disappointment, failure, and frustration. Accusing Coma Boy of misleading unsuspecting forum readers is wrong; its your opinions clouded by whatever your problems are that would be misleading to the forum.
Cheers,
Sean- the litterer

Yikes!

I'm planning on travels to Chaing Mai myself in December. Coma Boy any thoughts on this find? Is this true?

Issan Cowboy

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Hi
Anyone have info on . . . . Imperial Golden Triangle Resort in Chiang Rai? Thx Fred[/QUOTE]Nice hotel, but I was there with clients so didn't have the opportunity to test its girl friendliness. It is not in Chiang Rai, but in Sop Ruak, a long ways from CR. Sop Ruak is not much more than a collection of souvenir stands, guesthouses and basic restaurants.

[QUOTE=sean_double (criminal!)]Satang, it's your opinions clouded by whatever your problems are that would be misleading to the forum.[/QUOTE]Sean, I was also amused to notice Satang's similarly unfortunate experiences in Rangoon (Burma).

If Satang can't get action in Rangoon then he won't get action anywhere. Someone (Luis1) summed up Satang's post very nicely by comparing it to being unable to buy a burger at McDonalds.

Satang, try some therapy, personality modification, attitude readjustment, cosmetic surgery, a diet- anything, anything at all.

Sure bets, such as Nana E C must exist in Chiang Mai -do they not?

The best part about Nana is the convenience and acceptability of taking a lady to your room. Then to the lobby restaurant for waffles.

[QUOTE=Da Rider]Nice hotel, but I was there with clients so didn't have the opportunity to test its girl friendliness. It is not in Chiang Rai, but in Sop Ruak, a long ways from CR. Sop Ruak is not much more than a collection of souvenir stands, guesthouses and basic restaurants.[/QUOTE]Thanks, thought it was in CR. Any suggestions for where to stay?

Fred

Fred,
I stayed at the Dusit Island Resort in august. Its a little pricey, but very nice;and girl friendly.
Cheer,
Sean

Fred, I usually stay at Wiang Inn (or sometimes at Wiangcome).

Neither are great, but they serve their purpose.

As Sean says, the Dusit is very nice, yet it is a little far from the centre.

The nicest places to stay in CR are all outside the centre, but unless you're going for the nature you're better off in town.

There is a Hotel a couple of blocks from night bazar, the name is "People
Lodge", 480 bht, no problem having a guest for the nihgt. It is clean, has A/C
hot /col water, bottle of water. Restaurant in. It is located across the "Chian
g Mai hotel, near the river. It also has limited cable tv, few channels, one of
them is CNN.]

Funny, when I was last in CM (1991), I was there to hike, dirt bike ride and sight see. P4P was not in my plans. But I fell into "boom boom" with a couple nice non-working girls. And I spoke zero Thai at that time. Maybe it's a hygene thing.

FD

royal peninsula, 9/9 assadathorn rd., tel. 011 66 53 252222. 105 rooms

just called the rp from the states with my vonage to find out if it’s true about spykids's findings of a 400 baht joiner fee.

the person who spoke to me explained that even though they don't look highly on bringing in guests whom you've just met, there is no joiner fee, simple the same routine of your guest dropping off her id card along with registering with the front desk for security reasons.

kinda of a hassle still, that’s why i love the porn ping, you can parade them through all day and night long, no problem. but on this trip i need my high speed internet and the rp also said that they only have internet in there reception area - so i need to still find a high speed internet in the sleeping rooms hotel in chaing mai!

so the rp is new, great location and almost a hassles free policy with guests.

Hi

Anyone have experience with these web reservation people? Pls give me the 411 on them. They seem to have great prices!! thx

Hi Fred,

A1 is simply an affialite partner of Hotels.com of which is owned by ian.com a Barry Dillar company - try gohotelrooms.com, another great ian.com partner but a bit more user friendly.

Good luck,

Issan Cowboy

[QUOTE=Issan Cowboy]Hi Fred,

A1 is simply an affialite partner of Hotels.com of which is owned by ian.com a Barry Dillar company - [/QUOTE]I booked a room from them. On priceline, I could always call the hotel and they could confirm the reservation and take down any special requests. With hotel.com, I can't do that, they said the hotel won't get my name until just before checkin.

My question.... if they e-mail me with their confirmation number can I trust that I really do have a confirmed reservation. I had gotten a price too good to be true.

THX Fred

[QUOTE=Satang]Not mean to start a flame, but coma boy is the kind of guys that make sunshine out of bull shit and seriously damage the credibility of the forum. Does he ever consider how many guys spend their hard earned money to come to CM mostly because they believe what he said?

Picking up a girl from street / mall / non-hooker bar is very very difficult, if not impossible. The language barrier is the major hurdle, for most CM people speak zero English. So even if a girl is interested in you, there’s no way to communicate, and two people can’t just stare at each other forever.

Bear in mind, any single foreign male in CM is presumably a sex tourist until proven otherwise. Like it or not, that’s the locals’ view. If you were a hansuman in your country, would you consider dating an old fat Thai female sex tourist?

CM women are beautiful. BUT, you won’t see them in Pay&Play places. In such places, most of the women are from Chiang Rai. They are short, fat, dark, buck-teethed, not at all as attractive as CM women. Again, their English level is so low that they only expect you pay, play, then leave.
[/QUOTE]


I agree! I've also been accused by coma boy of being at fault when I talk about "the reality of Chiang Mai", as you were in later posts. They don't all go home with men, some do only work for drinks, and I don't believe its comon to pick up on a non pro in a shopping mall.

PS. Thanks coma boy for the good advice though, you are a big help to this forum and i think the reason people want to know more about the brothels is some like it in the day time (non-sopie, non 2000 baht),

Well, to pick-up non-hookers you do, believe it or not, actually have to put in a little effort. They won't come flocking to you like P4P.

But, I think Firedick summed it up best - "Maybe it's a hygiene thing".

I'll be arriving in CM in a few days. What is the 'best' way to get to Burma for checking out the scene? thx Fred

Fred Gold,

1- Go to Chang Rai, then on to Mae Sai, walk accross the border and that's that. Takilek is very depressing. Traveling beyond Takilek is next to impossible.
2- Take a bus to Fang, change to Mae Sai (only one afternoon departure I believe; return from Mae Sai 7am), et cetera.
3- Fly to Rangoon or Mandalay.
4- You won't find me in Burma no matter what (but that may be good for you:D) because I don't like the way SLORC (=State Law and Order Restoration Committee) run that country.

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]I'll be arriving in CM in a few days. What is the 'best' way to get to Burma for checking out the scene?[/QUOTE]Fly direct from CNX to Rangoon.

Airfare.com saved me some money and had seat availability that others did not.
I tried gohotelrooms.com and there were very few choices. This one had a good selection:

asiarooms.com

I tried searchng and came up with the Suriwongse. Is that guest friendly?

A buddy recommends the Montri Hotel, but I doubt it's guest friendly.

It's high season and it seems unlikely to get a room at Porn Ping for 800B. Can I?

I'm a frequent visitor to Burma for both business and pleasure and find the girls there very nice although some can be a little inexperienced. Check out my report in the Rangoon section for details. But I've also found the girls there to have a little more "go" than the ones I've experienced in the LOS, maybe because the Burmese girls don't do it as often as the girls in LOS and thus tend to enjoy the experience a little more?

[QUOTE=Freeler] 4- You won't find me in Burma no matter what (but that may be good for you:D) because I don't like the way SLORC (=State Law and Order Restoration Committee) run that country.[/QUOTE]Yes, I concour with you Freeler, the Generals are fucking the country up big time but that won't stop me from fucking the girls. The people there are genuinely nice and humble and can do with foreign interaction.

Just my 2 kyats worth.

(BTW, SLORC is now known as the SPDC (State Peace and Development Council)

[QUOTE=Catmonger]Suriwongse. Is that guest friendly?[/QUOTE]Yes, Suriwongse is guest-friendly if you book a double.

I lived there for my first few months in CNX.

[QUOTE=Catmonger]

A buddy recommends the Montri Hotel, but I doubt it's guest friendly.[QUOTE]I've stayed at the Montri and yes, it is guest friendly, every night I stayed, for 9 days.

Hello, I used to post in the Mexico forums but I am now staying for a while in the "Rose of the North". My question is, where in CM can you buy Kamagra, or another generic form of Viagra? What should the price be?

[QUOTE=Austin Guy]Hello, I used to post in the Mexico forums but I am now staying for a while in the "Rose of the North". My question is, where in CM can you buy Kamagra, or another generic form of Viagra? What should the price be?[/QUOTE]I have no real info other than to say, there are pharmacies all over Bangkok that generally sell everything you are willing to pay for. There are probably some places that are a safe bet, and some to avoid.

I think Comaboy had a question/comment regarding the interest in the no-name brothels. I've written a couple of brothel reports. I guess my interest lies in the new experience novelty. There's something about finding and entering in a low-exposure place with no sign. Then, as you walk in you see 15-25 girls just sitting there waiting. Then you pay your 350-550 baht for a short time (which is pretty cheap as compared to the MPs). It's nice to have a place you can come, see and bang quickly for so cheap in the EARLY AFTERNOON. Sometimes I don't have time for a 2-hour oil massage or the long bath that procedes a fuck in the MPs.

However, I must say, the novelty getting old. Obviously, the girls on average are much older and less hot as compared to Pandora, Sayuri, Nancy, etc. The rooms are dirty, sheets/pillow cases are never changed, you see the used condoms from previous customers in the waste basket next to the bed, bathrooms are gross etc. Somehow I tend to notice the filth immediately after I cum; oddly, 30 minutes prior to that event -- I only noticed the lipstick and skin smiling at me... Well, now I think I tend to echo some of CB's comments...yes, on to something new...

I've never been to some of the larger Karaoke bars (New Star / the place behind Forte / places in Chiang Mai land / etc.). Can someone let me know if they have short time rooms? what are the prices? Is it true that most of the girls just want to milk you for lady drinks?

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Catmonger]I have no real info other than to say, there are pharmacies all over Bangkok that generally sell everything you are willing to pay for. There are probably some places that are a safe bet, and some to avoid.[/QUOTE]My friend just came back from Chiang Mai, he says Duangtawan hotel, Pornping Hotel and Prince hotel is girl friendly.

I wanted to comment on the local hospital for any traveler that might be wondering about health care facilities.

When I was in Chiang Mai, I got very sick (high fever-104 F) and had to go to the hospital, because I felt like I was dying. The hospital was excellent, with great physician, pharmacy, and staff.

I was very lucky that I had chatted with a girl online, because she took care of me, getting me food, and generally keeping me company.

I initially stayed at the “Top North” guest house, but I didn’t have a good experience. Besides just being a well worn facility, my room’s A/C was broken. I then moved to the “Raming Lodge” which was good, sort of a “Super 8” motel feel. The cost was 1,200 baht a night with breakfast. Both are girl friendly, with no joiner fees for overnight guests.

[QUOTE=Austin Guy]Hello, I used to post in the Mexico forums but I am now staying for a while in the "Rose of the North". My question is, where in CM can you buy Kamagra, or another generic form of Viagra? What should the price be?[/QUOTE]

When I was in CM in July, I ran out and tried to buy some generic stuff at a couple of different pharmacies. Both of them told me that they only have the real stuff - which, of course, is very expensive. I suggest stocking up when you are in Bangkok. Not sure how long the supply from India will last because India has signed on to WTO and is changing its patent laws.

aj-i stay in cm -most of the time -out on viang ping rd-a local karaoke mecca. walk out nightbazaar with the traffic, bear right after the gasstation follow the road for about a mile and after a t-light and a hospitel and then some, there will be inexpensive k's on both sides. good thaifood there also. lots of girls but be aware -lots of **** girls too. went to a couple of places at cm-land. beware there of high prices, not just ld's but innocent looking platters with cut up watermelon. the whole thing is a ripoff unless you go with thai people. that was my experience. it's quite reasonable when you go with the gf. another possibility would be if you find a companion at bubbles for example to ask her to join you/take to a karaoke. be warned also of the singing-it's not everybody's taste to say the least, but definitely an experience. saw one karaoke place across from central where that other movie theater is -they had little private rooms. check it out -good luck.

also since there is always heaps of interest -a nice little brothel on kampang din road across from royal mae ping hotel next to one star bar. open after 9 pm or so just go inside(red lighting)and hva a beer. another on up the street towards south on the same side after you cross the bigger road, a little harder to spot. but both of them in spitting distance from night bazaar etc.

I'm heading back to Chiang Mai soon and intend on visiting Sayuri again. I recall last time that some of the girls there had special letters associated witht their numbers. Can anyone remember which one was for the soapy body massage? Has anyone tried it recently and if so, do you have any recommendations (badge number)?

[QUOTE=Deal Seeker][QUOTE=Catmonger]

A buddy recommends the Montri Hotel, but I doubt it's guest friendly.[QUOTE]I've stayed at the Montri and yes, it is guest friendly, every night I stayed, for 9 days.[/QUOTE]

I will be there soon and now looking for a girl friendly hotel in down town. No more than Baths 1000. Who can give me more information. An would be nice to know the best places for our sport there, rates and girls quality, beer garden or massage parlours and discos
Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Sponsor74]I will be there soon and now looking for a girl friendly hotel in down town. No more than Baths 1000. Who can give me more information. An would be nice to know the best places for our sport there, rates and girls quality, beer garden or massage parlours and discos.[/QUOTE]Try spending a few minutes browsing through this thread:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1030[/url]

I have been in Chang Mai for the past ten days. Visited the day time brothel on "Nimmanhemin". Few years back, I was ignorant of all the screwing that had been going on in So East Asia. One day I came across a magazine about So East Asia. That is how I learned about this place on "Nimmanhemin". I have visited this place many times. Originally there were three houses close to each other. One house sat right on the far side of the corner as you went in on soi 13ht. I screwed in all of them. In the past two or three years I would find the house on the corner locked. Nobody would know anything about it, if they knew they would not say because they did not know English. On my last visit about a week ago, I found out that the house on the corner had been open all along! You see, the house had been remodeled, the access door had been changed!

"Nimmanhemin" is on the west side of the Chiang Mai, runs parallel to the mountains. There is a white tall building, there is a 7-11 store on the ground floor, soi 13 is across this white building. To get to the houses follow soi 13 for one block and turn right, two houses will be on your left. To get to the house on the corner follow soi 13 for one block, when you get to the intersection don't turn right, cross the intersection for few yards you will see a metal door half open on your right, get in, you will see a small room with few motorcycles parked. You will notice a glass door on the left side, nonchalantly, go in as if you were a regular customer. There are few tables were you can have a beer, watching, getting to know how evreything works! very simple. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Samu Ray]I have been in Chang Mai for the past ten days. Visited the day time brothel on "Nimmanhemin". Few years back, I was ignorant of all the screwing that had been going on in So East Asia. One day I came across a magazine about So East Asia. That is how I learned about this place on "Nimmanhemin". I have visited this place many times. Originally there were three houses close to each other. One house sat right on the far side of the corner as you went in on soi 13ht. I screwed in all of them. In the past two or three years I would find the house on the corner locked. Nobody would know anything about it, if they knew they would not say because they did not know English. On my last visit about a week ago, I found out that the house on the corner had been open all along! You see, the house had been remodeled, the access door had been changed!

"Nimmanhemin" is on the west side of the Chiang Mai, runs parallel to the mountains. There is a white tall building, there is a 7-11 store on the ground floor, soi 13 is across this white building. To get to the houses follow soi 13 for one block and turn right, two houses will be on your left. To get to the house on the corner follow soi 13 for one block, when you get to the intersection don't turn right, cross the intersection for few yards you will see a metal door half open on your right, get in, you will see a small room with few motorcycles parked. You will notice a glass door on the left side, nonchalantly, go in as if you were a regular customer. There are few tables were you can have a beer, watching, getting to know how evreything works! very simple. Enjoy![/QUOTE]

Does the 2 cost structure apply here as well. Local Thai pay lower price and all of us a much higher cost? and what was the current rate now for us non locals. Thanks

Prices on "Nimmanhemin" (soi 13), *****houses,
The house at the corner of Nimmanhemin has two prices, 300-400bht equiva
lent to $7.50, $10.00 respectively. It has good selection of workers.

The house in the middle charges 440bht, @11.00. Quality of girls varies.

The house on the right side (blue metal door) I would not know the prices her
e, the last time I visited this joint was few years back, I did not go back
because the rooms suck!

You better have your own rain-coat or you will pay $0.50. I carry my own
mosquito spray, lots of mosquitoes in these places.

Beers, large, 70bhts, $1.75!

I visited Chiang Mai for some fun in late November. This was an excellent time to visit, with warm days, pleasant evenings, and no rain. Thai Air Asia from Bangkok took 1 hour, ten minutes, reserved round trip on their web site for B2,887 (Thai Bhat). I got B41 per dollar at an airport ATM. Taxi into town was B120. Stayed at the Riverview Lodge, located near the night bazaar, reserved via the internet for B1,800/night including breakfast. Charming, but no TV and not a place to bring a girl back to.

Get a free hotel map and locate the Tae Pae Gate, at the eastern end of old city, and the starting point for my walks.

[b][u]Day 1 - Bath[/u][/b]
The bathhouse with the best reviews here is the [b]Sayuri[/b]. To get there, stand inside the Tae Pae Gate with the Black Canyon Coffee Shop at your back and pass through the wooden doors of the dirty-orange brick wall. You will be heading east. Cross over the moat and continue straight, and you will be on Tha Pae Road, with traffic flow coming at you. Follow this road east 20 minutes to the Ping River and the Nawarat Bridge. Cross the bridge, where traffic is now two-way. At the end of the bridge continue straight on Charoen Muang Road seven minutes to Bumrung Road on your left. Turn left here and walk nine minutes to Bumrung Rat Soi 2 on your left. Turn left here and walk up two minutes to a green gate on your left, which enters into the Sayuri parking lot. To the right of the double glass doors (where hot karaoke girls hang out) is a single glass door that goes to some steps up to the smoky waiting area with a glass wall in front of the girls.

I entered there at about 7:30 PM on a Monday. There were 20 girls, all 5-7 in quality. You can sit on the upholstered bench and wait, which I did. Tell the man near the clipboard on the wall which number you want, and he’ll call her via phone/speaker. He asked B2,000 for 1 1/2 hour. I tried to bargain, to no avail.

So I decided to check out [b]Pandora[/b] to see if the selection was any better. To walk there, go out from Sayuri, turn right onto Bumrung Rat Soi 2 & go back to Bumrung Road. Make a right, go to the next block on your left, Montri Road, turn there and follow this road for seven minutes. It will curve left and then right. At the end of the right curve is a 3-way intersection. Stay left on Montri Road (don’t go right on Thevee Uthit Road). The road will dogleg left and then right. Make a right at the next (unnamed) intersection and go straight past a 6-story building on the right. You will see Pandora at the end of the street: a big white building with yellow columns.

There were only [u]four[/u] girls behind the glass wall, with price quotes of B2,000 (5-6 quality) to B3,500 (for a “new girl”, 6-7 quality). I declined.

After returning to [b]Sayuri[/b] I eventually chose a 7+ whose name I forget. She led me to a room downstairs, reasonably clean & comfortable, with a bed, floor area with drain, and bathtub. We caressed, then she proceeded to wash off a rubber raft, fill the tub and undress. After I undressed she motioned me into the tub (her English was quite basic). She scrubbed my arms, chest, legs, and pubic area. This being my first day, she had to laughingly calm me down during the latter maneuver. She eventually placed a condom on me and motioned me to the rubber raft on the floor. With me on my back she crawled on top and pumped. It didn’t take long. It appears this is the standard position for the act, perhaps the only way, but I wasn’t complaining or trying to modify the routine.

She then went off to clean up the tub. I dressed and tried to photo her nude, but she refused several times, even with offer of a tip. With respect for the culture, I didn’t persevere.

[b][u]Day 2 - Bar[/u][/b]
The most frequently reviewed bar area is the [b]CEC[/b] (ChiangMai Entertainment Complex). To get there from the Tha Pae gate, walk south on Moonmuang Road (Black Canyon Coffee shop will be on your right, brick wall on your left). The wall ends at a road which crosses the moat on the left, but continue straight until you see the Tiger Restaurant on the far right corner. There is a second road (2-way) that crosses the moat on the left. Cross the moat, and you will see a Budget sign at the right corner and Ba Ba Bo Bo Bar sign on the left corner. This is Loi Kroh Road, where you will go straight for about 10 minutes. Looming in the distance is the 20-story white Duang Tawan Hotel. On the right you will pass 3 alleys: Loi Kroh Road Lane 1, 2, and 3. You will see a FedEx sign above on the right at the next alley, Loi Kroh Road Lane 3a. You have arrived at the CEC! (If you reach the Duangtawan Hotel, you’ve gone too far.) Turn right, and you’ll see the CEC bars on your left.

I was there at about 7:30 PM on a Tuesday. (Nearly all the bars are shuttered during the day.) There were probably 20 girls throughout the complex, quality 5-8. At the far end, two bars in from the street, called Sakura, I spotted a real cute young-looking 8 who I knew I wanted. I smiled and waved and she got up, came over to me, and pointed to an older woman behind the bar, since she had no English. The bar woman, of course, invited me to drink, but I said I just had and only wanted a short-time in a hotel with the pretty smiling girl. She quoted B1,800 + 300 for the bar. I said no and she said B1,500 total. My lower brain, already stirring, said OK, and the girl led me to the hotel: out the CEC entrance, turn right, then at the first block left onto Kamphandin Road. About 100 yards down on the left side was the Kong Court Guesthouse. All this time she, of course, walked two paces behind me, so I had to turn & get directions.

The hotel had one bed for B300 or two beds for B350. For some reason I chose two beds (doh!), and up the stairs we walked to the second floor. Somehow we communicated despite the language barrier. She wanted the TV on and went into the bathroom to undress & bathe. I stripped fast and could hardly wait. She came out with a towel completely covering her, and wouldn’t take it off until we were under the covers. Yum. Beautiful full breasts, nice perky nipples, a real cute face, and nicely proportioned body. I got my condom on real fast. She was a real tight fit, so we tried multiple positions, with the final release actually coming as we were kissing and caressing and her hand was pumping my rubber! She made sure not to stop until I was spent.

Afterwards I asked to photo her. She didn’t understand. When I got the camera out she said no, but was nice enough to drop the towel to her waist for one shot.

With body & finger language I got her to give me her age (19) and home town (Chiang Rae). Her name was Gai. A great experience. Highly recommended. We parted very happily.


[b][u]Day 3 - Brothel[/u][/b]
I couldn’t find the location of any daytime brothels in the old city from previous posts here, so I hailed a tuk-tuk (motorized 3-wheeler) in hopes of being led to one nearby. Well, there may or may not be good brothels near the Tha Pae gate, but this guy took me for a long ride west of the walled city (B20 each way). So much for the walking tour. If you go out Huai Kaeo Road past the Chiang Mai Orchid hotel and then left on one of the streets near the Sentan(?) market, you are in the vicinity. You can’t really see well from the tuk-tuks and the street names are too long to remember, so my advice is to sit back, enjoy the ride, and see where the adventure winds up.

Mine ended at a small outdoor bar called the [b]Kanha Karaoke[/b]. There were 5 girls: two 8’s and three 7’s. All quite young. I chose a skinny 8 who had a nice smile (don’t they all!) and nice A-cups. 19 years old. B1,000. She did it all: BJ, rear-entry, front-entry, massage. She was real cute and worth a return if I could ever find the place.

These Thai girls are so nice and so pretty and so plentiful. If the weather in March weren’t so hot and the traffic and air pollution weren’t so bad, I’d probably move to Chiang Mai!

[QUOTE=DukePV]Sayuri -asked B2,000 for 1 1/2 hour.

Pandora -price quotes of B2,000 to B3,500..

CEC- I was there at about 7:30 PM on a Tuesday (nearly all the bars are shuttered during the day). There were probably 20 girls throughout the complex, quality 5-8.

Sakura- quoted B1,800 + B300 for the bar.[/QUOTE]Nice report Duke, but something isn't right. Why were you being asked for so much money everywhere?

Sayuri and Pandora are normally much cheaper than that, plus at Sakura (CEC) ST is always 1000 Baht.

Also later at night, there are probably around 100 girls in CEC. I've certainly never seen less than about fifty.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Nice report Duke, but something isn't right. Why were you being asked for so much money everywhere? Sayuri and Pandora are normally much cheaper than that, plus at Sakura (CEC) ST is always 1000 Baht.[/QUOTE]Interesting point, Coma Boy.

Sayuri and Pandora I can't figure out. I tried for lower prices at both places, though I did not argue or press the issue as firmly as others I have read here did. On the other hand I walked out of both without being called back with a lower offer. Maybe it's high season. Maybe I had "sucker" or "desperate" written on my face.

Sakura I freely admit I was entranced by the girl at first sight and only half-heartedly bargained.

By the time I got to Kanha Karaoke, I had B1,000 fixed as the amount I wanted to spend. Perhaps guilty here of converting to dollars and thinking "Wow, $25 to get laid...lemme at it!"

I apologize to in-country folks and regulars if I significantly overpaid.

Some folk like to groan and complain when visitors pay over the standard prices, as they think they will ruin the market price for everyone.

I don't think it makes any difference, I happily pay girls extra if they do a good job.

Anyway, even overpaying is a fucking bargain by Western standards, plus, one does a favour for a little girl who obviously needs the money more than we do.

Duke, good point about the air-pollution, it is currently the worst in all of Thailand. Mostly due to songtaews and farmers burning their shit in the hills, and being in a valley the toxins have nowhere to blow away to, except when we suck them into our lungs.

Still Chiang Mai is a very cool and very liveable city, is growing and improving daily, and best of all is full of hotties.

You gotta love Lanna!

Can anyone recommend a good busty sexy matured lady in Chang Mai?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Samu Ray]Prices on "Nimmanhemin" (soi 13), *****houses,
The house at the corner of Nimmanhemin has two prices, 300-400bht equiva
lent to $7.50, $10.00 respectively. It has good selection of workers.

The house in the middle charges 440bht, @11.00. Quality of girls varies.

The house on the right side (blue metal door) I would not know the prices her
e, the last time I visited this joint was few years back, I did not go back
because the rooms suck!

You better have your own rain-coat or you will pay $0.50. I carry my own
mosquito spray, lots of mosquitoes in these places.

Beers, large, 70bhts, $1.75![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the warning on mosquitos, sure hate to get bite in the ass while doing the deed. he he
PT

I have just been to Chiang Mai for the first time, unfortunately it was holiday time and I couldn't get the hotels I wanted, finished up at Empress, very nice and GF but over 2000pn.

Opposite Empress on ChiangKlan Rd is a karoake,looks OK, anyone any info? I never had time to visit.

There are beer bars on Loi Kroh road at CEC, watch out one is a ladyboy bar, some othe bars with girls at the top of the road.
Porn Ping hotel is a good place to go, Hot Shots live music with many TGs and Bubble disco next door, odd ladyboy FL here as well.
Foxy Lady gogo near night bazaar, 500 bf I was not impressed here but a TG told me they have young girls, FWIW I never saw any.
Spotlight GoGo bar is good, 400bf plenty of girls before 10pm.
Spicey bar is OK after about 1-30am, believe open until 5, a few backpacker farangs but I pulled a nice 22 yo TG, with strict instructions from the family to 'Take Care Lady, she not lady work bar'

I found CM to be a nice change from the hulabaloo of Pattaya and Bangkok, there are enough girls although nowhere near Pattaya numbers. Myself I like the sea and I missed thatat CM.
In the daytime go to the Temple up the mountain and also the nearby Zoo, the Pandas are awesome.

Gus,

Many hotels are gf in Chiang Mai-taphae place off taphae-rd soi 3-top north, smile gh, near taphae gate, fang gh off kampangdin, to name just a few budget options in walking distance to nightlife options.

It is also ok just to ask before checking in of course.

Prepared myself for my first visit to CM by RTTFF - and what with the rather detailed instructions on how to walk here and there, and what signs/billboard to look for etc, I had the mistaken impression that CM is just a small village up North with limited, rather native action. Well, surprise, surprise - CM is NOT small - it is actually the second largest city in Thailand after Bangkok. Not really expecting much action in CM, my buddies and I had actually planned our trip as more of a golfing thing than anything else - which was a mistake - as there was PLENTY of action. Mistake as some of us had even brought along the missuses and we randy guys could do nothing but look... and suffer. The last night we were there though, some of us just couldn't stand it any longer and headed off to Sayuri massage - which we figured would be the fastest/safest option for a bunch of horny guys who really could not spare the time/effort to cavort around the bars and then having to take the honeys back to the hotel or wherever.
Actually the Sauyri is a whole entertainment complex with various options - Some of us opted for the 2,000 bath slip and slide massage/FS after choosing from the fish bowl, some only for the traditional massage with the happy ending and one who decided he was just too damn drunk to do anything, just hung around the live band club drinking and ogling the girls (hmmmm... wot's wrong with him?!). All in all, we were all very satisfied with that night and each of us had our own choice of 'relief' at Sauyri.
SE Asia Joe

Chiang Mai is big and has plenty of options , but the second biggest after Bankok is still Udon.

There are plenty of larger Thai cities than Chiang Mai (Samut Prakan, Nonthaburi, Udon Thani, Korat, Hat Yai, Chon Buri), yet none are as well-equipped for sex-tourists or other Farang visitors.

In terms of working-girls only, the largest cities are BKK, Pattaya, Phuket, then Chiang Mai.

I'm getting a good deal at Sheraton CM on the net (through [url]www.bangkok.com[/url]). Wondering if this hotel is GF, anyone out there who stayed here and knows?

Interested in the Top North Guest House (not the Top North Hotel). May consider staying there next time I'm in CM.(maybe going back to CM later next year). Price looks cheaper than the Top North Hotel so need to know if the Guest House is worth staying. Is the place a dump or its clean and decent?
Any comments from people who have seen the rooms or stayed there recently.
Thanks
PT

Hello Phantomtiger 2,

I have stayed 2 times in Top North Guesthouse, the last time was in June this year. The rooms are simple and clean but before you take the room, have a look first. No problems with bringing ladies to the room.

Hello Phantomtiger 2,

I have stayed 2 times in the Top North Guesthouse and both times fully satisfied. The last time was in June this year. The rooms are simple and clean, but allways have a look first. I han no problems with taking a lady to my room.

Hello Phantomtiger 2,

I have been more than once in the Top North Guesthouse. The last time was June this year. The rooms are nothing special but they where clean and I had no problems with taking a lady to my room.

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Interested in the Top North Guest House (not the Top North Hotel).[/QUOTE]Top North Guest House is fine.

I stayed there once in the past and it's very friendly (in all ways), comfortable, and convienient.

I was just in Chiang Mai earlier this week along with some family. We stayed at the TN Hotel and then walked over to the Guest House for lunch. The TN GH has a more younger crowed and it was very noticeable by the pool area.

The GH has nice rooms, air conditioning, TV, etc. and some of them have a terrace with a nice view. The nicer rooms are about 400 to 600 Baht per night. Avoid the rooms with a fan or the budget rooms in the older facility, they're just not worth the savings.

For travel bookings, trekking, day trips, etc. book at the TN Hotel, especially if your with your family or entertaining others. They're by far the best place, more professional, and many guide books recommend them for leisure bookings and tours, even though they're not up there as the nicest hotel.

As for my stay at the hotel, it was fine, no problems in any ways, but I like the more informal atmosphere of the guest house.

I recommend the guest house as that's where I plan to stay in the future.

[QUOTE=Duty Free]I'm getting a good deal at Sheraton CM on the net. Wondering if this hotel is GF, anyone out there who stayed here and knows?[/QUOTE]Yeah, if you've booked a double it is GF.

Nice hotel, shame about the location.

thanks hamilton and nuphit for your reply.
will keep this place as a definite option next time in cm. didnt know they have an old and new wing at the tn guesthouse.
internet prices looks good but would you recommend booking ahead (and not seeing what condition of rooms they give you) or walk up and hope they have available rooms for inspection at internet prices?-not sure if able to get the cheaper internet prices this way.
reason for asking is because they could take advantage of you when prepaid by internet and with confirmation (money usually non refundable) so once they already have your money, they tend to give you the shitty rooms nobody else wants- happened to me once in los, wont let me change rooms as hotel fully booked (at least thats what they told me). had a chance to peek into rooms across from mine as the maids were cleaning them and they definitely were much better than my room.
pt

[quote=posterlion]have you been drinking too much again sir?

can you recommend me a decent and cheap guest house to stay at while i'm there.

if you can help me out then feel free to post here on in th cm section which i reckon would be more appropriate.

p.s. i now place myself under public arrest for breaching article 1 chapter 1 verse 1: failure to rtff.[/quote]hey mister p.

it wasn't the booze you know, it was just simple stupidity. i slipped and the pain was worse than ladyboy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. wish it was booze, it'd probably hurt less, this little pipe isn't providing as good an anaesthetic.

head still hurts so only one for now: pagoda inn, cheap and decent- 053-233-290.

as for your crime, well, you know the punishment- death in the "chair" at pb, with some car-park lbs present.

coma,

you're lucky that i can't find the picture that tells the story...
[quote=coma boy]i slipped and the pain was worse than ladyboy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. [/quote]

So you really did destroy the negatives.

I was sure you'd kept a copy somewhere, even after I made the final blackmail payment.

Next time we'll use a video camera, perhaps we'll catch Posterlion on all fours sweating and screaming while suffering shemale sodomy...

[QUOTE=Gus69]Opposite Empress on ChiangKlan Rd is a karoake,looks OK, anyone any info? I never had time to visit.[/QUOTE]Hmm, I passed by this place a couple of times, saw some good looking girls around, all dressed rather conservatively (office / business attire). There were no foreigners at all. Seems to cater to locals only (at least on those particular nights.) Even the neon signs were all in Thai (no English.)

Anyone know for sure?

Coma,

You're only posting these replies so your tally stays above mine:(.

Nope, I didn't mean that blackmail pic. That was nothing!
This is the one of you in hospital, ready for anal reconstruction surgery.
And I said nothing about destroying the pic either...:D!
I just misplaced it. Will find it!

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]perhaps we'll catch Posterlion on all fours sweating and screaming while suffering shemale sodomy...[/QUOTE]

Good luck fellas. I learned my Lady Boy lesson on the rocky soi's of Nuevo Laredo. I'll probably never forget (although I wish I could... believe me!) the master blaster dildo incident of 2002. Let's see. It began 12 minutes and 29 seconds after midnight on the 13th day of the 7th month.

I don't remember how long it lasted. All I remember is the horrfic pain and the chackling laughter of the nurse and doctor. Hmmm... you know, now that I think about it... I do remember the nurse, she was fucking beautiful.

Anyways, as I said: good luck fellas. ;)

[QUOTE=Mike B]Hmm, I passed by this place a couple of times... there were no foreigners at all. Seems to cater to locals only... even the neon signs were all in Thai.

Anyone know for sure?[/QUOTE]Foreigners are welcome, although on the occassions I've been I've never seen any. A lack of Farang often means very hot girls.

The place you're referring to is called Monroes, and it is a lot of fun, not cheap though.

My GF and I'll be there end Jan. We are keen to get a girl to join us for our first 3-some. any suggestions on where we can get hold of a girl that will join us or go about doing it.PM me if you have suggestions.Thanks.

[b]Elation as giant pandas mate for the first time[/b]


Chiang Mai - After arriving from China more than two years ago, giant pandas Xuang Xuang and Lin Hui yesterday delighted Chiang Mai Zoo officials and hordes of visitors who witnessed their first mating.

On Sunday, staff noticed the zoo's most famous residents had begun to engage in mock wrestling bouts. Later examinations by veterinarians confirmed they were ready to mate.

News of the pandas' impending close encounter spread, and visitors began to arrive at the zoo in large numbers.

Zoo director Tanapat Pongpamorn said a special observation team was set up immediately.

"We mobilised both veterinarians and experts to keep a round-the-clock vigil, and about 2pm today [Tuesday] we saw Xuang Xuang and Lin Hui mate for the first time."

Signs of the impending mating began showing clearly yesterday morning when they took turns sniffing each other.

Lin Hui, the female, was particularly explicit in her overtures as she kept walking by Xuang Xuang and turning her rear toward him.

But it seemed the male panda was not in the mood in the morning as he kept pushing her away with his paws.

This went on for a few hours to the frustration of zoo officials who attributed the male panda's indifference to his inexperience. But the moment of truth finally arrived.

Suddenly, Xuang Xuang seemed to understand what he was supposed to do. He ceased his resistance, sat and leaned backward while spreading his legs. Lin Hui then moved backward and sat on top of him.

There was some movement and after awhile Lin Hui let out a humming noise, but Xuang Xuang showed little reaction. After a few minutes, the two parted, ending their first romantic encounter.

Mr Tanapat said the mating ritual was expected to continue for the next two or three days after which the two pandas will be under close observation for signs of reproductive success.

The zoo director said a pregnant giant panda usually has a gestation period of about four or five months. Mating takes place only once a year.

Xuang Xuang, now five years and three months old, and Lin Hui, four years and five months, arrived at Chiang Mai Zoo on Oct 12, 2003, on loan for 10 years from China. Since their arrival, the giant pandas have been a magnet, attracting a large number of visitors to the zoo to see the rare animals in the flesh.

The zoo organised a wedding ceremony for its two celebrities on Nov 9, 2005, to mark its 28th anniversary.

"The pandas' mating is great news for Chiang Mai and Thai people," the zoo director said. "And since the Chinese New Year is approaching, we now have to prepare for the flood of visitors who will arrive to give the pandas support during the Chinese holidays."

[i]Source: Bangkok Post 18 January 2006[/i]

Reverse cowgirl - ride 'em PANDA

Like the old joke "If you only get it once a year why are you so happy?... TONITE'S THE NITE!"

So fucking cold up here now.

Love cold weather, but in nine years of visiting CNX regularly don't ever remember it being this cold.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]So fucking cold up here now.

Love cold weather, but in nine years of visiting CNX regularly don't ever remember it being this cold.[/QUOTE]Cold? just came back on 16jan. It is very hot in day time, but cool down during the night. Last few years I've visit, it is cold even in day time.

[QUOTE=***********][b]Elation as giant pandas mate for the first time[/b][/QUOTE]

Uh oh.... another thread about bearback sex in Northern Thailand.

Hopefully, they don't get arrested for pandaring

Ignore all my previous hotel advice in this thread.

Dusit's D2 Hotel is now the best place to stay in CNX ([url]www.d2hotels.com[/url]).

For those on a budget- Pagoda Inn (off Chang Moi) or Baan Say-La (on Nimmanhaemin).

CB - SURE - for 5000B/night ++? IF someone else is paying

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Ignore all my previous hotel advice in this thread.

Dusit's D2 Hotel is now the best place to stay in CNX ([url]www.d2hotels.com[/url]).

For those on a budget- Pagoda Inn (off Chang Moi) or Baan Say-La (on Nimmanhaemin).[/QUOTE]


Are the Pagoda Inn and Baan Say La --guest friendly? and what are the budget prices during high season (Dec)
Thanks
PT

Rooms at Pagoda cost from 250-900 Baht.

Rooms at Baan Say-La cost from 450-850 Baht.

Both are 100% GF.

The hot new hang-out is Horizon at Duang Tawan Hotel, forget about Mandalay.

Was there last night and as soon as the hangover fades will be back.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Rooms at Pagoda cost from 300-600 Baht.

Rooms at Baan Say-La cost from 450-850 Baht.

Both are 100% GF.

The hot new hang-out is now Horizons (or New Horizon or something) at Duang Tawan Hotel, forget about Mandalay.

Was there last night and as soon as the hangover fades will be back.[/QUOTE]

The Horizon Club. Mandalay is out for sure. There is another disco called the Atlantis which seems to be in the in place as well. Do becareful at Atlantis as the waiters will try to screw you with the mixers and charge you more.

[QUOTE=Acerboy]The Horizon Club. Mandalay is out for sure. There is another disco called the Atlantis which seems to be in the in place as well. Do becareful at Atlantis as the waiters will try to screw you with the mixers and charge you more.[/QUOTE]Yes, the Horizon Club in Duangtawan Hotel. There are no cover charges. At the entrance, to the right is a Disco and to the left is Hip-Hop with band at certain hours.

There are some girls with tag on the clothes stand along the corridor, I think must be the hostess.

I was there at the Hip-Hop place, with one of my friend. The hostess approach me in thai, but I only understand a bit, so I pointed to my friend, but she walk away. I think you can ask them to sit with you for a drink at some price, cause we saw alot people with them.

The band is good with three SYT singer.

I've been reading back through these posts today, and have found some places that seem worth checking out in person, but I don't see any locations given for them:

1. CEC (what does that stand for? Where is it? and what is it exactly?)

2. Sakura

3. Sayuri

thanks

Wendella,

This is an extract of an old report I posted 8 months ago

The CEC is what I called site 2 ..... hope you can follow the directions !

On the eastern side of the walled city the Tha Phae gate is the easiest reference place. I will describe most of my directions from there. It is half way down the Eastern Wall with a big sign on it and a pedestrian area nearby.

SITE 1 = Gogo bar called “Moonlight”. This is located on the road parallel to Moon Marg on the outside of the moat (Thanon Kotchasan). Start at the Tha Phae gate. Cross the moat cross the road in front of you and trun right to walk down the pavement on the far side of that road. “moonlight” is about 50m – 75m on this road on the left.

I went in to moonlight a few times during happy hour for a 1st beer of the night. I didn’t thing the quality in there was great. It is a laid back place. Unless you call a girl over they will not come over and hassle you. So if you just want a beer and a view (if too early in the evening for serious business it is a place you can just pop into.

SITE 2 – Girly Bars ….. These are located on Thanon Loi Khraw close to the corner with Thanon Kotchasan. Start at the Tha Phae gate. Walk South on Moon Marg (inside moat), stay on the gate side of the road. Walk for 3 / 4 minutes until the next break in the moat with a road over it …. Traffic travelling into the walled city. Go over the moat against the flow of traffic. You will see a junction ahead of you this road is on Thanon Loi Khraw. The girly bars are over the next 30m of both sides of the road on Thanon Loi Khraw and to the left for maybe 3 or 4 bars up Thanon Kotchasan.

SITE 3 --- CEC

Find the conrner of Thanon Loi Khraw. Follow Thanon Loi Khraw (one way but you are now going with the traffic for maybe 50m. - You are heading away from the walled city not parallel to the wall) The CEC is a collection of beer bars (in a complex) on the Right hand side of the road. I ALWAYS LOOKED FOR THE FEDEX sign as a reference point to turn right !! not sure if it is still there !!

[QUOTE=Wendella]I've been reading back through these posts today, and have found some places that seem worth checking out in person, but I don't see any locations given for them:

1. CEC (what does that stand for? Where is it? and what is it exactly?)

2. Sakura

3. Sayuri

thanks[/QUOTE]

Moonlight is called Spotlight.

CEC is never actually called CEC, the best way to get there is to head for Star Six (pronounced S'dar Sik) and you'll see the bar-beer centre (CEC) right next to it.

There are loads of places called Sakura in CNX, one is a bar in the CEC, another is a karaoke in Chiang Mai Land.

Sayuri is across the river.

[QUOTE=Summiteer]Wendella,

SITE 3 --- CEC

Find the conrner of Thanon Loi Khraw. Follow Thanon Loi Khraw (one way but you are now going with the traffic for maybe 50m. - You are heading away from the walled city not parallel to the wall) The CEC is a collection of beer bars (in a complex) on the Right hand side of the road. I ALWAYS LOOKED FOR THE FEDEX sign as a reference point to turn right !! not sure if it is still there !![/QUOTE]




Yes, the Fedex sign is still there.

PT

[QUOTE=Wendella]I've been reading back through these posts today, and have found some places that seem worth checking out in person, but I don't see any locations given for them:

1. CEC (what does that stand for? Where is it? and what is it exactly?)

2. Sakura

3. Sayuri

thanks[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.gocnx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=122]This webpage [/url] shows how to get to Sayuri, complete with satellite map and pics.

bizarrely ended up at bubble last night.

fucking busy, but no longer the freelance fiesta that it was. instead about 200 hundred sweaty farang (m+f) and about twenty thai girls. most farang were dancing oblivious to the sparse rep001tering of girls, but plenty were just sat around staring, wishing they had the courage to approach a girl.

i, of course, knew every girl in there so (perhaps) looked like a real stud, or player, or something. a couple of guys asked me to introduce them to girls, which is odd as most girls are easily approachable- no need to be shy.

anyway, it's only good nowadays if you want a farang girl (or boy), then again i hated the place even in its freelancer heyday.

I was in Chiang Mai a few weeks back. I caught the limo service from the airport to down town. The driver was giving me the usual quiz on what I wanted to do whilst in Chiang Mai, and suggested I check out the pandas at the zoo, or take and elephant ride near Mai Sa, or go to Doi Suthep to see the temple and so on. I showed no interest at all to any of his suggestions, mainly because I was dead tired and recovering from a slight fever.

Then straight out of the blue, he asked whether I wanted girls, and that he could provide a number of beautiful university students that evening for 3000 baht!! That brought me out of my coma although the 3000 baht for ST sounded a little steep, especially after having come from Burma where the going rate for LT was $20 to $30 USD with tight pussies to boot! His reasons for being ST was becoz the uni girls can't overnight because they have to get up bright an early for classes the next day! LOL!! My how things have changed since my own uni days! ;)

Anyway, if anyone wants the mobile number of this limo driver, send me a PM.

Sakaundeh, these girls are often not really students.

But, they're generally young and good-looking enough.

[quote=coma boy]bizarrely ended up at bubble last night.

fucking busy, but no longer the freelance fiesta that it was. instead about 200 hundred sweaty farang (m+f) and about twenty thai girls. most farang were dancing oblivious to the sparse rep001tering of girls, but plenty were just sat around staring, wishing they had the courage to approach a girl.

i, of course, knew every girl in there so (perhaps) looked like a real stud, or player, or something. a couple of guys asked me to introduce them to girls, which is odd as most girls are easily approachable- no need to be shy.

anyway, it's only good nowadays if you want a farang girl (or boy), then again i hated the place even in its freelancer heyday.[/quote]have to agree with you i went to bubble a few weeks ago (not by choice) for the first time in several months and was acosted by a sweaty falang. aaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!.

i must try that new horizons club but am on a fittness kick at the moment and not going out.

does anyone have updated prices for sayuri are they still the same? or do they put them up in peak season as they think everyone is a rich falang tourist.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Sakaundeh, these girls are often not really students.

But, they're generally young and good-looking enough.[/QUOTE]

Mai pen rai Coma Boy, .. doesn't matter so much that they're not real uni students as long as they turn up in that nice sexy tight fitting uniform that they all wear, I'll be happy. :D Funny how in Thailand, even uni students have to wear uniforms, hey?

[QUOTE=Sakaundeh]Funny how in Thailand, even uni students have to wear uniforms, hey?[/QUOTE]It's a wonderful, wonderful thing.

My buddy and I plan to arrive in Chiang Mai on Feb. 28 and depart March 4. If any of you are in town and want to join us for a drink and to compare notes, PM me. We will likely be staying at the Pagoda Inn. Also, if you have any advice to help a monger enjoy what CM has to offer, it will be appreciated.

Thanks to those of you who already have helped in this regard.

All the best,

LJohnson

Yo LJ,

I might just be there.
I guess asking for the gay couple will get me straight to your room:)?
Or wait for me at the RWS when the slow train from Nakhon Sawan arrives.

Regards,
Freeler

Quick question for you guys. I'm new to the Karaokie seen, and am trying to figure out if these Karaoke girls will short time with you and how much. I went to the President Hotel (with Nancy's Massage Parlour) the other day. I stopped by the massage parlor, but the girls weren't the best looking (only 5 at the time). So I noticed some hotties in the Karaoke coffee shop. This normally isn't my scene, but I decided, perhaps I could get one of these girls to ST at room at the President Hotel (they have ST rooms there). I thought for sure that the reason why the Hotel sold ST rooms was for the Karaoke girls... Anyways, it was a little early at 8PM and there were only a few other guys in there. The girls all took turns singing and all of them were much more attractive than the girls behind the glass window at Nancy's. So I pick one and have her come sit by me. We talk and I buy her a drink. We laughed and got to know each other a little (she spoke great english). She went to go back to sing and sent her a 200 baht lei as she was singing. She came back to resume our chit-chat. I then asked her if I could ST her at the hotel. She seemed a bit shocked. I said I was rather new...she smiled and said she could take me all night at 1AM. I again asked if she could come with me now for a ST. She declined.

Can someone explain this to me? Is this typical for other Karaoke joints as well? (New Star, Chiang Mai Land, etc.). You can't just "bar fine" a girl and take her with you for ST or LT, whatever a monger like myself pleases? Isn't this a buyer's market?? And just so you know, I was VERY polite and charming. I'm in my early 30's and not that bad looking. But to be honest, I'm a total newbie to the Karaoke bar-scene... I wanted to hang-out at New Star (BIG Karaoke place), but again, I'm not sure how it works.

Any guidance would be MUCH appreciated! Thanks gentlemen.

Visa House in Pattaya Soi 8 which is guest friendly does have a hotel in Chaing Mai. Its called. Arya Mansion 94/1 Moo14 Soi 6 Suthep Rd.

I was told this hotel is guest friendly.

Tel 66-53-811-800 ext 104

Fax 66-53-811-300 ext 102

Tomorrow morning i will going Chiang Mai to check it out those uni student.

I will report to you guys later.

Thanks for your number dude.

"Then straight out of the blue, he asked whether I wanted girls, and that he could provide a number of beautiful university students that evening for 3000 baht!! That brought me out of my coma although the 3000 baht for ST sounded a little steep," (Quote) . It's more than steep: you can get a girl for 1000 LT in Bubble!

[QUOTE=Marcus8886]Tomorrow morning i will going Chiang Mai to check it out those uni student.

I will report to you guys later.

Thanks for your number dude.[/QUOTE]I live with a university student who goes to Payap and she is always telling me her friends want a falang boyfriend.

I do feel like a bit of a perv when she is in her uniform but I can deal with it.

[QUOTE=El Frances]"Then straight out of the blue, he asked whether I wanted girls, and that he could provide a number of beautiful university students that evening for 3000 baht!! That brought me out of my coma although the 3000 baht for ST sounded a little steep," (Quote) . It's more than steep: you can get a girl for 1000 LT in Bubble![/QUOTE]


Agree, 3000b is steep price for CM.--- these prices more normal for BKK. This is Gimmick to entice bros to pay more for a fantasy of bonking suppose young Uni gals (real or fake dont matter cause the uniform fulfills the dream). Its just whether bros are willing to pay this price for gals. Will be ok as long as these same gals don't get out of uniform and start quoting 3000b everywhere they go.
PT

Can anyone comment on this? Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Asian John]Quick question for you guys. I'm new to the Karaokie seen, and am trying to figure out if these Karaoke girls will short time with you and how much. I went to the President Hotel (with Nancy's Massage Parlour) the other day. I stopped by the massage parlor, but the girls weren't the best looking (only 5 at the time). So I noticed some hotties in the Karaoke coffee shop. This normally isn't my scene, but I decided, perhaps I could get one of these girls to ST at room at the President Hotel (they have ST rooms there). I thought for sure that the reason why the Hotel sold ST rooms was for the Karaoke girls... Anyways, it was a little early at 8PM and there were only a few other guys in there. The girls all took turns singing and all of them were much more attractive than the girls behind the glass window at Nancy's. So I pick one and have her come sit by me. We talk and I buy her a drink. We laughed and got to know each other a little (she spoke great english). She went to go back to sing and sent her a 200 baht lei as she was singing. She came back to resume our chit-chat. I then asked her if I could ST her at the hotel. She seemed a bit shocked. I said I was rather new...she smiled and said she could take me all night at 1AM. I again asked if she could come with me now for a ST. She declined.

Can someone explain this to me? Is this typical for other Karaoke joints as well? (New Star, Chiang Mai Land, etc.). You can't just "bar fine" a girl and take her with you for ST or LT, whatever a monger like myself pleases? Isn't this a buyer's market?? And just so you know, I was VERY polite and charming. I'm in my early 30's and not that bad looking. But to be honest, I'm a total newbie to the Karaoke bar-scene... I wanted to hang-out at New Star (BIG Karaoke place), but again, I'm not sure how it works.

Any guidance would be MUCH appreciated! Thanks gentlemen.[/QUOTE]

John, I've always just paid a bar-fine (one that often also includes the price of the sex) and taken girls out of karaokes. I'll have been sat with a bottle of Black and three girls for about an hour or so beforehand.

I think karaoke girls are more selective as to who they go with (they still want to look good in front of their friends, unlike shameless bar-girls and go-go-girls), but you shouldn't have any difficulties finding someone who likes you.

I notice a lot of Thai dudes in these places making arrangements to meet the girls after work, so you could always give that approach a try.

If you keep striking out have a long chat with the girls about this.

Hey CB - how about general locations on where some of the sing-sings are? I might try 1 next trip - otherwise I need to find a good silversmith (Karin, probably) for some speciality work.

They're everywhere...

Went to Sayuri MP last night at 7pm and it was full of ugly women!

I was in there 5 minutes and then left.