Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

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Nobody across the whole board especially interested in Thailand has any views on safe sex in Thailand. What does it mean?
1. Sex in Thailand is so safe that nobody is worried?
or
2. People are so crazy about Thai pussies that nobody is worried about safety.
or
3. All people enjoying sex in Thailand knows what to do while in Thailand.

I think 3 is the correct answer.

Hey Guys
Chai Thung dee kwa na.

.....Just in case some sucker, like me, forget to 'wear' something 'cause "- that girl was so beautifull and she told me I was the first farang she ever met"-.....

I hope anyone can find the follows informations useful.
(I wrote something similar in a precedent post....).anyway always good to remember :

Most common venereal disease in Thailand are :
N.S.U. (Non Specifical Disease).

In the 70 % of the case NSU is caused by a bacterial called Clamydia Thracomatis.This bacterial seems to be the N'1 mother****** around Thailand....
Problem is that Clamydia's molecular structure(DNA) is similar to a Virus, that's mean one time you get it you may produce antibodies.This bacterial is very,very smart.You might get it without symptoms. Most of the time NSU reveals oneself with itching and a small white drop in the morning before the first [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].
Few times , no drop, no nothing.
If you think you catch something like this I suggest :

1) If you stay in your country ask for an urethral tampon and (very important) for an IGG & IGM research (by blood) both for Clamydia.IGG is antibody for old infections (if you have had it) IGM is for current infection (if you have it now).

2)If you stay in Thailand,Pattaya rule N' 1 : don't go ABSOLUTELY to small clinics . Most of them are runned by liars paramedicals who don't know nothing , they just want to sell as much drugs they can....

In Thailand they can't scan Clamydia but they can tell you if you got an NSU.Best place to go in Pattaya is Bangkok Pattaya Hospytal on Sukhumvit Road Km. 143, Naklua Banglamung area.
tel. 038 / 427777.
They will send your test to the Laboratory test of Chonburi Medical Center (RIA) wich is the only one able to do it.
You can go straight to Chonburi as well : Chonburi Medical Center
13/32 Wachiraprakarn Road, Bangplasoy. tel. 038/792357-60.

3)If you don't want to go to any doctor 'cause you don't trust no-one, my suggestion is to take : ERYTHROMICIN, 500 mg. every 8 hours for 7 - 10 days or RULID 300 mg. 2 tbl.a day for 7 - 10 days or Zythromax 1 gramm every 3 days......(with me Erythromicin worked..).All of these ant. are from Macrolides family that seems to be the best to erase NSU.Don't use Doxiciline...It doesn't work, trust me.

Please do not underestimate this...Recent studies have proved relations between heart stroke and Clamydia.
As I said in my precedent post you're not gonna die but better open an eye....
Despite this, still believe Thailand and Pattaya are the best place in the world.... peace.

..sorry N.S.U. is for Non Specifical Urethritis......instead Non Specifical Disease.... M.

Skinless,

first of all, let me tell you that,reading the board, I agree with your point of view about Thai girls most of the time.(..you can consider this as a compliment ...done by a 'true thaigirls veteran' like me..he,he..)

About 'souvenirs', don't worry I get it many times in the past, it can happens, we are not cold machines.
Getting gonorea/clamydia is very normal in Pattaya as BKK.
That's why if you go to some clinic there , they're gonna give you a single injection wich should erase gonhorrea and a 3 to 5 days course of tablets in case you get NSU as well.

So if you get both of 'souvenirs' my suggestion is to use :
Trobicin inj. 2 grams each dosage for 2 days (it gonna kill nesseirea gonhorrea) and erythromicin tbl. 250 mg. every 6 hours,
for at least 7 days (about clamydia).
This program will erase Gonhorrea and NSU as well .

Where to buy this ?
In pattaya there's a pharmacy in soi 17 (I think is 17..) coming from Marine Plaza, after Jack Holt French beauty salon , must be the first street on the right..I guess soi 17. The Pharmacy is called
CHULA , you can't miss it, and it is almost in front of the big open market place. It is the only pharmacy having Trobicin inj. 2 grams from Upjohn Pharmacia, USA. I think this drug is the best to treat gonhorrea, better than Rocephin. Erithromicin (Erythrocin) you can buy anywhere , Boots 1th floor Royal garden as well.

If you stay in BKK, go to the biggest pharmacy in PatPong, the one after Kings Corner, they should have anything.

It's very funny.....Last time I was in pattaya I was talking with a dear friend of mine from Germany, and we were thinking that 15 years ago most of the time we talked just about wich girls was better than...etc.,etc., now most of the time we talk about wich kind of antibiotics is better than......

Skinless,
I'm not an expert, as I told you I'm just a veteran about it....
I've just reported what has worked with me and with few friends of mine.....
Of course the best way to treat these kind of NSU should be find out first the responsable bacterial and then start with proper antibiotic .So, you should find a good laboratory test first , then you will see wich kind of antibiotic is sensitive or not.....
If you go to the Hospytal and you ask for a doctor they will try to steal you as much money they can.....(they will start to check your pressure..!!!??? is'n it ?).
Most of the pharmacies in pattaya got the right stuff.It's the same stuff you gonna find in the hospytal.
About using wrong antibiotics, I'm totally agree with you ...Might be very dangerous 'cause you will grow resistant bacterials....
But..trust me ,my friend, Macrolides antibiotics are N° 1 to treat NSU.
Anyway about laboratory test centers, keep on consideration those I mentioned before....If you know some better places , please let me know.

PS/... something funny...
I guess it did happens to you too........
...going to an hospytal like Pattaya Memorial or Bangkok Pattaya, waiting in a queue at the hospital reception , then when your turn comes a very nice and gentle girl receptionist ask you in front of everybodies :
" Hello Mister, what's your problem today ?"....Everybody in the queue are able to hear anything, so can you immagine if you go there for gonhorrea how the situation could be ' funny' one time you gonna answer her .. : "- Yes I'm here 'cause I got some dirty spoil going out of my dick...and I feel burn when I [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]...."-
....But maybe this is one of the amazing things we can find only in Thailand and that's why we like it as well....

Hello everyone,

Regarding this topic I too have had a painful experience. I was in Pattaya and unfortunately listened to the ladies in the Pharmacy who sold me a bunch of antibiotics that of course didn't work. Fortunately I met someone who told be about Doctor Samnuek's small clinic on central road. Don't know the exact address but it is only a few minutes on a songtaew from second road. He looked at the puss in a microscope told me it was Gonorrhea and gave me a shot. After that he gave me two kinds of pills to take for a few days, and then I was fine. This cost me about 2000 if I remember correctly. Despite that painful experience I have been foolish enough to have several girls without protection. Nothing has ever happened to me again though. I think it is just a question of how well you can pick them.

Have fun everyone, and take care of yourselves!

to those it might interest, this is a letter published recently in the british medical journal. i do not know that journal, nor am i familiar with the research told by mr. mohammed ali al-bayati. i find that the way he tells his story is interesting though.

enjoy the reading.

seydlitz

===================================

hiv does not cause aids

30 january 2002

to the editor:
the aids establishments have spent the last twenty years focusing on the hiv and not on the real causes of aids. the correct approach for investigating the cause(s) of a disease is by evaluating all medical evidence that considers infectious, chemical, nutritional, and metabolic factors. as a pathologist and a toxicologist, i evaluated the published literature on the
worldwide aids epidemic and found that hiv does not cause aids. in my book “get all the facts: hiv does not cause aids”, i described the multifactorial causes of aids in the world and explained the pathogenesis of aids in different risk groups [mohammed ali al-bayati, 'get all the facts: hiv does not cause aids' toxi-health international, dixon ca 1999, 183 pages isbn
0-9673536-0-2].

my findings include:
1) the hiv-hypothesis is not supported. hiv is a harmless virus in both the in vivo and the in vitro settings.
2) aids in drug users and homosexuals in the u.s. and europe is actually caused by the heavy ancillary use of glucocorticoids and other immunosuppressive agents to medically treat the wide range of chronic serious illnesses of the respiratory system, gastrointestinal system, and other organs, malnutrition, release of endogenous cortisol, and opportunistic infections in these persons. the appearance of "aids" in the u.s. and europe has coincided with the approval of glucocorticoid aerosoll use in 1976, the introduction of crack cocaine, the use of heroin by inhalation, and the use of alkyl nitrites by homosexuals to enhance sexual activities.
3) aids in hemophiliacs is related to the use of corticosteroids and other immunosuppressive agents to prevent the development of antibodies for factors viii and ix and to treat other chronic illnesses such as joint disease.
4) aids in people receiving blood and/or tissue is related to the use of glucocorticoids to prevent reactions of transfusion and tissue rejection, and to treat other illnesses.
5) aids in infants and children is caused by their exposure to drugs and corticosteroids in utero and their exposure to corticosteroids used after birth to treat their chronic illnesses.
6) aids in africa is caused by malnutrition, release of endogenous cortisol, and opportunistic diseases. atrophy in the lymphoid tissue in people suffering from malnutrition has been known since 1925. malnutrition causes severe atrophy in the thymus and lymphoid organs and impairs the function of the t cells. these changes are reversible by feeding. the size of the thymus in malnourished children increased from 20% of normal to 107% of normal, following nine weeks of feeding.
7) kaposi's sarcoma (ks) and lymphoma are induced by the use of steroids and drugs, and the release of endogenous cortisol. they are not caused by a slow virus. ks is reversible upon the termination of treatment with immunosuppressive agents prior to metastasis.
8) the medications currently used to treat patients with aids, such as azt, protease inhibitors, and glucocorticoids, are highly toxic. they can even cause aids in asymptomatic patients, and make the disease worse in patients with aids. these drugs do not have any therapeutic value, and their use must be discontinued immediately.
9) damage to the immune system is rapidly reversible after removal of the true insulting agent or treatment of the true causes. for example. a) the cd4+ t cells of 1075 hiv+ pregnant women increased from 426/ul to 596/ul in six months by giving these women a balanced diet. this also improved the outcome of their pregnancy; and b) the reduction in cd4+ t cells in hiv homosexuals was also reversed by the cessation of treatment with glucocorticoids.

my findings have been reviewed and supported by scientists and physicians.

mohammed ali al-bayati,
president, toxi-health international
toxi-health international, 150 bloom dr., dixon, ca 95620
send response to journal:
re: hiv does not cause aids

email mohammed ali al-bayati:
maalbayati@toxi-health.com

below are the links to some of these articles and
reviews:http://www.toxi-health.com; http://www.mercola.com/20
01/jul/11/aids2.htm; http://www.rethinkingaids.com/archive/2001/index.htm;
www.aliveandwell.org/index.php?page=study

Well, I can say that his theory on Kaposi's sarcoma, for one, doesn't exactly hold up. There are several studies, for example, about increased rates of Kaposi's in South Africa, where steroids and drugs are not exactly available.

I'd have to spend time looking at the others, but frankly I don't see why to bother, as, according to his vita, he's first and foremost trained as a veterinarian, most of his work is about environmental toxicology and none of it about infectious disease, and pretty well nothing that he states as "fact" in his letter is anything he's done actual research on. How is this guy possibly expert enough to make the claims he does?

Joe_zop, skinless,

I agree that Mr. Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati's views are somewhat rudimentary and can be questioned on many accounts. This is why I was careful to put some distance between myself and his views.

I found that the way he went through the issue was provocative, and as such worthy of posting in here. And also the fact that his letter was published in a British journal that is rather on the other side of the controversy.

And, Skinless, you might say that I am playing with words again, but I do agree that HIV and AIDS are real. There would be no issue if they weren't. But the point is that I suspect that they have been invented. They were created, out of a still-to-be-isolated virus and a list of non-specific diseases. And the causality between the two was not established.

Now that we have the concept of HIV/AIDS with us, the issue is how to deal with it. And that is where we disagree.

now this is just me...

but I deal with it with condoms. ;) at 28, I want at least another 40 good years of having fun instead of rotting away at say 31 or 32.

packem and rippem.

:)

Joe_zop:

about statistics in South Africa.

We should keep in mind that the Republic of South Africa is a country that has gone trhough a lot of trouble in the last 30 years. It offers the contrast of first-world modernity with middle age dark Africa.

Statistics from the RSA can be very misleading. For example: in several districts, the population is seen to decrease. That is the number of deaths outnumber the number of births. Terrible fact of a country ravaged by AIDS ?

Well, maybe not. Until recently, in several parts of the country, the South African civil service was not much concerned about the black population. Many births and deaths were unreported in rural areas. But now, they are recording deaths of people who were never born, according to their registers.

And quite possibly people who died a while back as well, in an effort to catch up with the late paperwork.

All that can have a disruptive effect on statistics. I am not aware of the KS studies you mention, but it might be that the increase you mention is a mere consequence of a better classification of statistcal events in a country that does not have all the tools that western countries have.

One thing I noticed in Thailand in 2001 was how many farangs there looked downright Unhealthy.

Fat White Zombies shuffling up/down Sukhumvit Rd.

Take a look some time and see if you agree.

Great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

Seydlitz, agreed that South Africa is not necessarily a place where statistics are reliable. It's been months since I read the study, but as I recall the researcher was looking at the rates both within a narrow and larger geographical context, using one smaller locale and the country as a whole. I don't remember enough of his methodology to make a judgement about the stats. I do know that any number of sources (while carefully making the distinction between HIV-1 and HIV-2) call Kaposi's "endemic" to East Africa, and are working to identify the method in which it is transmitted, and the very existence of these efforts, which indicate at least a high enough level of Kaposi's to be at least somewhat significant, in and of themselves seem absolutely counter to the theory presented by Al-Bayati that it is caused by immunosuppressive drugs and steroids, which are just not all that present in the region.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MondaysChilde
[i]One thing I noticed in Thailand in 2001 was how many farangs there looked downright Unhealthy.

Fat White Zombies shuffling up/down Sukhumvit Rd.

Take a look some time and see if you agree.

Great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. [/i][/QUOTE]


I have lived in the middle of the action on Sukhumvit for 18 months. It's great fun. But I have have never gotten used to the "Fat White Zombies" you mentioned. "Fat White Zombies" wallets, combined with their sex drive, makes them "desirable" among the *****s. Just imagine one of those guys pumping away on some 20 year-old girl, his fat floppy stomach slapping away, driven by his pimply ass. Disgusting.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kris
[i]...I think it is just a question of how well you can pick them.

[/i][/QUOTE]

You've GOT to be kidding! Unless your "pick them" process involves isolating them for 3 months before checking their blood and pussy for a variety of STDs, you are praticing very risky behavior. To think otherwise is moronic.

someone thai made condoms are not very reliable.and
failure rate is much higher ..so he told me to buy condoms inmy country and take them to Thailand.
is this true?

The statistic I've seen repeated in various places is that Thai condoms have an 11% failure rate, but I've been unable to track down the original source, so it's hard to tell whether that's an accurate number or if someone just threw that percentage out and everyone keeps repeating it.

But given that I keep hearing the same thing over and over about Thai condoms from a variety of places, I just play it safe and make sure I've got a good supply from home, where I know from experience what I'm getting. Why risk it?

Where can I buy viagra in Bangkok, and how much do they cost ? Is it true you can buy them on the streets, laced with illegal narcotics ? (I wanna stay well away from that sort of rubbish !)

You can buy them at most pharmacies, and they run about 500 baht each. You can get better prices by buying more.

Thanks ! Is there any trouble getting viagra through customs ? (I'm not talking about large quantities, obviously, just a few.)

Dufus, LOL, how true. Probably sporting a profusion of welts, whiteheads, rope burns and assorted skin rashes from the heat...

Since this is the Safe Sex section, I gotta tell ya, any strategy in a 3rd-world or even second-world country (like Thailand) HAS to include thinking about who your sweet little partner just bonked...

anyone for a tuktuk driver's sloppy seconds?

That's why I will always stay high-end (Poseidon, etc.).

Re VIAGRA - - I got what I think was a bad batch of viagra from a sukm. Rd. pharmacy near Nana Entertainment Plaza.

It made my eyes red and sting a bit, and did not have much effect otherwise (although my evening takeout took care of that!)

FIND AN EXPAT WHO KNOWS WHERE TO GO. Phoney drugs are big business in SE Asia.

As for getting them back to your country - why try? You may get hassled at the gate and wind up spending 6 hours in the holding tank at Don Muang Airport while your plane leaves w/o you.

I had the (probably) typical experience of running out of my meager supply of American brand condoms way too soon. I decided to try the local pharmacist who said this Japanese brand sells best. I tried them (forgot name) and realized for two nights that my wood would go limp about two or three minutes after I put the condom on. First, I thought it was the girl of course! But it happened with two girls in a row, and one girl three times as soon as I started the deed! This sure made me sympathize with impotance sufferers! But fortunately for me the problem was the condoms. I shopped around and found the Thai durex brand comes in three thickness, including a "featherlite" variety in the gold box. These had very much the feel of the condoms I brought, and in retrospect, the Japenese brand were like steel casings.

Also, I mean to try Viagra on my next trip to LOS since I was absolutely maxed out on two girls. Although I can get wood more than twice per day, I find it nearly impossible to finish...so what exactly does Viagra do for the average bloke. Does it just help you get wood or pop off as well?

Tony

re your snake, ha ha!
Viagra justs get you up quick and VERY hard! It does not help you "pop off" just encourages you to try!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freeler
[i]Joe,

If it was the clap, make sure to get another test in 4-6 months or so. but I guess the doctor told you...

No I never had it, but similar symptoms can show up in fungal infections, eg the wounds on the skin that won't heel... My doctor was very nervous about it and had me re-checked -bloodtest- after half a year. [/i][/QUOTE]

Yup, absolutely good advice. I've every intention of getting a full workup once I get home in any event. The doctor here said what he found was non-specific -- some kind of infection, nothing raising a particular flag, so he prescribed doxy which banged the symptoms away pretty quickly. I'm well aware that STDs can hide in your system for a long time before they come back out, and I'll be having a complete bloodwork done when I get home.

As far as the fungal, again, yes, I know there are some nasties here, and originally I wasn't sure whether it was a dose or something from some street food that wasn't quite cooked properly. Since I'm not a resident I know there are all kinds of bacteria, both goodand bad, other folks here have in their system that I lack.

I think your advice holds for travel in general -- any time you get sick overseas, STD or not, it's not a bad idea for follow up after a few months.

do thai girls have health cards like they do in Mexico? Where can i find these girls in Thailand? I dont mind paying a little more.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinless
[i]http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/syphilis.html

I post this as it says oral sex can give it to you. When I got my own souvenir, I did some extensive research. Syphiliis is rampant in SE Asia and chlamydia comes with the TG package.

Talks of them getting tested etc is bs. They are uneducated and unlike Mexico, there is nothing like a feminist network to insist on condoms etc. They most likely regard STDs as part of the job. I would imagine the ladies doing 10 BJs a day are not too picky, something like guys washing cars. Also, Joe, you were drinking a lot so your mind was probably not at 100%.

Please inform us where you think you got it. That is more important to me than a blow by bj account in some sordid bj bar or other.

Please everyone remember that the ladies we bonk are societal rejects with little medical experience. The doctors they go to are most likely under paid quacks or greedy guys who, faced with their STDs every day of the week, will tell them to "breathe out on the way up", have a wash now and again and don't take it too much in the butt. And who are told not to fuck around if the sores and puss are too obvious.

Joe I salute you for admititng you stoped a bullet. Please tell us where, when and how. Save the sex as we can do that ourselves if we have money. [/i][/QUOTE]

Well, I wish I could blame it on drinking, or the combo of that and jet lag, but it was actually from engaging in moderately risky behavior -- i.e. unprotected mutual oral. Yes, I know it's not completely safe, and Freeler's comments regarding the way to go are something I mostly agree with (except that using condoms with N-11 has actually been shown to increase the risk for women, especially sex workers, as it irritates membranes -- there appears to be a very minimal difference between safety with or without it as long as condoms are used) but to me at some point you also make choices about the degree of risk you take versus the degree of enjoyment you desire. If I was smart and safe, I'd not be boinking at all, of course, and certainly would not do anal, even protected, etc. But I do a visual check for sores or irritation both around mouth and genitals, and refrain if I'm the least bit concerned, and I use condoms and lube for all penetration.

My best guess, Skinless, is that I contracted my dose from the worker from the Kangaroo Bar who I took for the night, as the odds are higher there as I both gave and received unprotected oral. I know you can get it only from bbbj, but the odds on that are lower, so I'd bet it was on me giving rather than receiving. For what it's worth, I plan on looking up this TG when I go back and offering to get her checked out, but we all know the likelihood that will make any difference is minimal. Still, it's what I'd do at home, so I'll do it here as well.

And to finish on the follow-up -- I saw an excellent foreign-educated doctor who spoke fluent English at Chiang Mai's Ram Hospital. My symptoms are completely gone, but I'm naturally finishing all the given medicine, going to do a follow-up with him, and will do another at home. While I'm willing to entertain a degree of risk, I'm also committed to cleaning up any mess I make.

(And I may or may not save the sex for other threads :-) though right now I'm saving a bit as I've got a gem.)

I'll put 100-1 on you giving.

guys,

i hope you all will accept this in the spirit in which it is intended, which is to be helpful.

i have been following this std discussion, and i applaud joe_zop and skinless for their honest and forthright discussion of their own experiences with stds contracted in thailand. it is not an easy subject for many, but should be handled without judgment. we are talking about germs here, and there should be no stigma in facing the problem.

that said, i have to point out the vast array of misinformation that has been posted so far. i won't point fingers, or quote posts, and i mean no disrespect to those who are misinformed, but some light has to be shed here.

good washing is effective in preventing many diseases, and can not hurt, though i disagree with placing anything inside your urethra which would cause irritation (soap). irritated tissue is an open door to bacteria, and viruses. and just how well can you wash your dick in the nasty hongnam at star of light? by the time you get back to your hotel shower, it won't help much. taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] right after intercourse may wash some bacteria out, and prevent infection some of the time. if your [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] gets too frisky, and leaves toothmarks and abrasions, you are more susceptible to infection until it is healed.

condoms are the best we've got for prevention, and each of us has to decide when and where we will use them, based on how much risk we can tolerate.

let this be a starting point, not the definitive list of stds and their effects. there is a wealth of info on the net, and anyone who has multiple sex partners, condoms or not, should take the time to become informed.

i will resist the temptation to write about the medical details of each, but here is a good link which is easy to understand:

http://www.unspeakable.com/facts/facts.jsp

take the time to read it, and decide for yourself the level of risk you are prepared to take in your travels. it is a conservative page, and will advocate 100% condom use, but it has accurate info. i have my own line in the sand, and you should be prepared to draw yours.

important: as a number of people have pointed out, especially in thailand, there is no reason to fear going to a doctor, if you have any doubts about your health. go, and go back until you are sure you are ok. medical training is quite good in thailand, and if you are in bkk or chiang mai, you have a bunch of choices where english is spoken. doctors here are not judgmental, and will treat you cheerfully, and pleasantly. even though it is by far the most expensive in thailand, bumrungrad is absolutely cheap by western standards, and is world-class, with pampered service almost unknown in hmo-land.

pay attention to the idea that there is a period during which you may be infected, but have no symptoms. during that time, tests may be negative, and you may infect others. if the little head gets the best of the big one, and you do something you know is unsafe, follow up multiple times.

one last recommendation: there are specific vaccines available for hepatitis a and b. hep b is considered an std, while hep a is associated with fecal contamination of food. see your doctor, and get both, if possible (the shots, i mean). i have never been seriously ill from food in thailand, and i can deal with the occasional traveller's trots. hepatitis a, on the other hand, is a nasty way to end your vacation. hepatitis b is a killer, and easily transmitted by body fluids during sex. vaccination can prevent both, and leave you with only about 6-8 other stds to worry about :)

i'm not dogmatic about what you should or shouldn't do, what precautions to take, or what risk you can live with. being informed, though, is the only way to make your own decisions.

i hope this is seen as useful.

wildman

[quote]originally posted by skinless
[i]mojo: they are terrible odds you are giving. what gives?
joe: thanks for your report and be careful. i did phone up the bb one and tell her my news and i know by reading her emails she got cleaned up. the kangaroo lady will deny it of course. please excuse my approach as i do not want syphilis:
did you get oral or genital symptoms?
are you cleaned up already?
are you drinking lots of water?
please keep us informed on this as it is very important. we are the only two who ever admitted here to being purple hearts. you saluted me. i salute you.
skinless (audie murphy) [/i][/quote]

well, you're likely right mojo, but it's rather irrelevant from my perspective, since i'm a fan of both giving and receiving (umm, though of pleasure, not diseases.) that's one of my lines in the sand, and while, as i mentioned, i try to minimize risk through inspection in that regard, i'm well aware of the inexactness and risk of that approach, especially given that i've just had an object lesson. that said, this is the first dose i've had in probably three hundred partners over the years.

wildman, i stand convicted of posting an incorrect assumption -- and believe me i have absolutely no problem being corrected, so please point out any other place i've passed along something incorrect, as this forum is only as good as the valuable info posted on it. based on symptoms from the link you posted it appears pretty clear that what i had was chlamydia rather than syphillis. (and thanks for that link, btw -- i actually spent a fair amount of time searching for a symptom chart for male symptoms of chlamydia, as that was one of the things i suspected and simply couldn't find them. the joys of my lousy los dialup connection, which seems a bit less cranky today.) despite what the particular posted site claims, which is that chlamydia is transmitted via unprotected intercourse and can be prevented by condom use, in my case there absolutely was protection at all times during intercourse (and no condom tearing or breakage either, as i checked.) other sites also cite fluid exchange through the mouth as a transmission method, which is pretty clearly what happened in this case. i knew that was also the case with syph, which is why i went there as a solution when my chlamydia searches came up empty.

i apologize to all for the incorrect assumption -- recall that i said my doctor was somewhat vague, said it could be syph, was definitely an std, and prescribed doxy, which i see by the site is the treatment called for by chlamydia. i did [i]not[/i] receive any kind of penicillin which would be the treatment for syph and others.

washing is, in fact, something the cdc recommends as a way of killing surface germs and generally reducing risks, but i agree with wildman that anything likely to irritate tissue is completely counterproductive.

now for what it's worth, i've had the complete sequence of all hep vaccines, as well as yellow fever, tetanus, etc. pretty much any kind of traveller's vaccination you can get, i've had in the past few years, as i've travelled to a number of third-world places, and all my vaccines current. i'm with you, wildman -- frankly i'm far more worried about hepatitus, especially some of the new and nasty strains than syph or some of the others. hep and hiv are the two nasties that i worry about most, as you can cure or at least live with the others.

i apologize to anyone who finds this all too clinical, but i'm hoping people can learn from my experience. it happened, i'm a big boy and knew it was part of the equation, and by posting this stuff here perhaps i can make a little lemonade out of the lemon. so, to answer your questions, skinless:

1. my symptoms were burning during urination, fever, nausea and incontinence. let me note that i gave this less that 24 hours before i consulted a doctor, as the burning was clearly not one of my usual "ate the wrong street food" symptoms, and i was perfectly aware of the specific risks of my behavior. it is worth noting that many men are asymptomatic for chlamydia.
2. my symptoms are gone, and according to what i've read the disease should be essentially knocked out of my system at this point since it's been a week, though i'm obviously going to finish the full cycle of treatment and do a follow-up. i should no longer be a risk to any partner.
3. absolutely, i'm staying hydrated to the max, and it's all bottled water. i do a lot of walking around here, it's far hotter than what i'm used to even though it's the cool season, and i'm probably going through nearly a gallon of water a day. i've little doubt this aids in flushing the system, since mine's certainly been flushing out fair amounts of water the past several days. better too much than too little in this regard.

and i'm absolutely going to let my partner from kangaroo know when i return to bangkok next week, as she's clearly more at risk from me from this particular disease, even had i not gotten cleaned up. good to hear, skinless, that the bb one has gotten herself taken care of -- i hope she understands that this is an occupational hazard that she needs to take care of in order to safeguard her future. i've been hanging out with a friend in chiang mai who's adopted a nice kid whose mother died from aids, and he is pretty rep001hing, given the thai obsession with family, which has a pretty loose definition, on the attitudes of thais about the problems of people not part of their own family.

If you are coming up with diseases frequently, it can be a sign of a larger problem with your immune system which may be lower due to alcohol or drugs, pre-existing conditions, etc. Just because you are exposed to a virus doesn't mean you get sick.

I remember back in the 80's when HIV was a very scary subject and a lot of the medical people were scaring the crap out of everyone with doom and gloom scenarios. I had to work very hard to get good research about what it meant for me and my hobby.

Getting a disease like gonnorea from receiving oral sex or even kissing, as is suggested on some medical web-sites, fits it he category of a needless fright tactic directed at teens, IMO.

As far as giving oral to a Thai working girl, thats a big no-no. Blood is the area of extreme concern as far as HIV goes. Although its a manageable disease now, you don't want to run that risk.

If I was going to do that, first fews days in Bangkok I'd take my preferred girl for some very good tests (no test is 100%) and then keep her for the duration.

joe_zop

sorry to read that you had some health-related concerns spoiling your time in LOS, and glad that it seems over by now.

In your most recent post, you mention "a friend in Chiang Mai who's adopted a nice kid whose mother died from AIDS".

Would you care indicating what illness exactly took the life of the kid's mother ?

mojosaur:
you write "As far as giving oral to a Thai working girl, thats a big no-no. Blood is the area of extreme concern as far as HIV goes. Although its a manageable disease now, you don't want to run that risk.

If I was going to do that, first fews days in Bangkok I'd take my preferred girl for some very good tests (no test is 100%) and then keep her for the duration."

HIV is NOT a disease, and HIV infection is NOT manageable. If your tests turn positive, the good doctors will submit you to an extremely unpleasant cocktail of drugs for a very long time (in fact until you die of it).

As for your second idea, concentrating on one girl makes sense since you avoid the promiscuity issue, but there can be no certainty that she is virus-free. You might be focusing on the very one who will contaminate you...

Let's face it: *****mongering is a somewhat dangerous activity.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Seydlitz
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Let's face it: *****mongering is a somewhat dangerous activity. [/i][/QUOTE]



Yes, but the danger is relative to one's practices. I did it all over the world for 20 years and have never gotten so much as a cold sore.

Using condoms is common sense....giving oral sex with a lot of mouth to mucous membrane contact is not a good idea, assuming that one wants to remain healthy.

More importantly, there is no reason anyone should ever get it, *****mongering or not. It is 100% preventable.

I was just trying to suggest a few ways this fellow could minimize his risks and still do his thing. Although a negative test would not be 100%, it would be a lot better than Russian roulette.

Afar as the flushing thing goes, I've always been told by my doctors that drinking large amounts of water helps flush gremlins out of the system in a general sense, STDs or not. It's hardly anything remotely like a treatment -- it's just something that aids the healing process when already using the medicine you've been given. At least that was my understanding -- but doctors being the way they are, I may have been being told this simply to improve my overall health when sick, which is fine enough by me.

Wildman -- yes, they did a urinalysis, which is where an infection was found, and it's entirely possible, given how lousy a communicator the doctor was, that it was a bladder infection. Nothing would please me more for that to be the truth, but I'm not going to presume anything further until I do my follow-up and have a good talk with him. As I mentioned, however, I hydrate like mad when in warm climates, as I've gotten seriously dehydrated once in the past and did not like what it did to the rest of my trip. The rest of the symptoms could well simply be bad street food, as I do a lot of buying from vendors (half the fun of being here.) I don't think he was unsure -- he may in fact have been being discreet since I was there with my friend and his wife. I've never had a prostrate problem, and had a full physical before I left, including the lovely prostrate exam.

Thanks for the Bumrungrad suggestion, I may indeed look into their Executive suite. As far as it goes, at this point I'm planning on a full run of STD tests here after I finish my doxy cycle, and doing the same with the tilac I'm planning to spend extended time with, as she's new to the game and more than a bit sexually naive. (Haven't had that conversation yet, though, but I've very little doubt that she'll agree.) Probably will follow up with another once I get home.

Mojo, I've agreed with you in most cases, but according to all of my reading there is as close to no risk as is defineable of HIV transmission via oral sex, even in the case where both partners have membrane damage. I do not have any such damage in my mouth, and while I acknowledge and have stated that my behavior entailed risk, I do not believe HIV infection was on the risk menu, and I know of no authority that feels it is. Saliva has consistently been shown to neutralize HIV.

Seydlitz -- I know your position on this, as you and I have had excellent critical discussions in the past. I only know what my friend stated about the girl's mother, and it would be rather indelicate to pry, especially as he spoke with great emotion about the process of watching her die. I know your position on the whole thing, and your interest in issues of definition, but this is not a situation at this point where I'm comfortable inquiring further.

For what it's worth, all, I'm feeling fine now, I intend fully to follow up and make sure I understand completely what I had and didn't have and further issues, both for my own health and for that of others. To be honest, I just felt so much like crap at the time (and had been having frustration after frustration -- net access not working, several thousand dollars not deposited into my account as promised before I left) that I just wanted something to fix it, so my analytic abilities were undoubtedly not at full force.

Skinless, you're darn right -- STDs are equal-opportunity buggers, and uneducated TGs don't come up with them like magic -- they get given them by somebody, but they, like everyone else, will believe the easiest way out in order not to have to think it. I've considered myself lucky to date to have avoided everything, and I've made my personal decisions regarding the degrees of risk I am willing to take or not take, and a patial departure from my usual practices may well have been what helped lead me down the path I followed. But if you have multiple partners, which most here do, and in an area of higher risk, you simply increase the odds you pay the piper. Given the stats I've seen in the past on the number of Thai sex workers who are infected, I'm frankly surprised that Skinless and I are really the only ones to bring it up on a personal basis at all. (I have a really hard time believing everyone on this forum scrupulously practices totally safe sex, especially given past discussions.) And if nothing else, misinformation or not, this is really the first decent discussion here on this stuff in quite some time, and I want to thank you all for your suggestions and help.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by skinless
[i]Joe: If he is checking out your prostate, chances are you have a bad STI itraveling up your dick even as we speak! Trust me on this one.
Drink lots of water, try some cranberry juice, nothing bitter or hot like spices. And stay away from that shit street food like you are some LP back packing moron. If there is no flowing water, only eat hot dogs on the street. But pay the extra $$ and don't be a food poisoned moron. Hey, there is a good Isaan babe selling fruit juices, 20 bt a shot, well worth it, between the nite market and the moat, all day long. Considering lots of TGs shave their pussies coz customers like to eat them (spicy food beware) chances are you are right and lotsa guys have little souvenirs. Oh. Stay sober too. No alcohol either. [/i][/QUOTE]

Skinless -- no, the doctor here did not check my prostate; that was part of the physical I took before leaving (which I included as info in response to Wildman.) And I've reduced somewhat my street food intake, or more accurately that containing meat that's been standing -- I've got no problem with things like Pad Thai or Roti where I watch everything being cooked for me. As far as alcohol -- again, my Bangkok night was a major exception from which I've learned my lesson, and only happened because I fell in with that bar owner who insisted on buying shots of things to celebrate his girlfriend's birthday. If I go drinking, my max is generally three Singhas a night, spaced out over four or five hours with non-alcoholic spacers in between. I'd also guess I've probably hit almost every one of the little carts with fruit juices and shakes around my part of town -- I absolutely love them. If you were to see my fridge right now, you'd see ten large bottles of water, two cartons of orange juice, one of pineapple, one of cranberry, some fresh fruit, and probably two diet cokes. I'm mostly pretty simple and healthy on all this stuff, really -- my lunch today was at a restaurant, a little Thai soup and a salad and water and juice to drink. If I get sick again at this point, it's more than likely because it rained so long and so hard last night in CM that all the tuk-tuks were swamped and I had to walk home through flooded streets where the lovely brown water was mostly up to my knees... :)

No offense intended Joe.

Absolutely none taken -- we're all big boys here :)

Wildman,

<<<QUOTE: I think N-11 refers to the size of the condom: 11 mm? Poor Freeler

Hey! It's just a joke, OK?

wildman>>>


Your 'joke' on the size of the N-11 condom, as far as I'm concerned is :

"Deliberate Disinformation".


Maybe you could make this wrong right by stating the true size of that condom, so the readers all understand why they might want to find N-11 instead of other condoms in Thailand.

Thank you very much!


BTW What happened to your posts?

I am going to Bangkok with my girlfriend and we are planning on a threesome. (2 f 1 m) What precautions should I take besides the obvious condom and her (the thai girl) to give and receive oral sex?

Thanks a lot for your help guys.... Hope I can return the favour....

ClitSucker,

with all due respect, this is a stupid question.

You intend to have intercourse with a commercial sex provider. What makes you believe that there would be anything special about doing it in Bangkok ?

The usual precautions will do fine.

As one of my best friends once said:

"If I'm going to get AIDS from eating pussy, then I'm going to get AIDS from eating pussy."

Just about sums it up, don't you think?

i figured i should post a follow-up, since i blathered on around here with my travails earlier. when i got back home i had another bout with the same symptoms as when i was in los. went to my regular doctor, and he prescribed both the same doxy as the doc i saw in chiang mai, noting that both clamydia and a urinary tract infection were likely, took a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] sample, and also gave me a shot for other nasties just in case. got a call today after i called to check on the sample -- a confirmed hit for gonorrea.

so, i'm officially on the list of the bitten or the "clapped" (though supposedly i'm also now on the list of the cured -- we'll see for sure once my follow-up sample is tested) and i'll note again that i always use a condom for intercourse, so this most likely comes from unprotected oral, either giving or receiving. (though you can get it from physical contact as well.) let me note that both times the symptoms have appeared (generally, they show up 2-5 days after exposure) was after i'd been in bangkok, and while i can be certain that's where i picked it up the first time, i cannot pinpoint things as specifically the second, as i was with multiple partners, was in and out of bangkok both times, and the symptoms can show up at different intervals. the second time it could have come either from there or pattaya. i've got a vague suspicion that i know who i got it from, as i had one partner in common both trips, but it could also have come from two different partners.

the message is simply that it's out there, and that people do catch things -- so be aware and be careful. i'm lucky enough to have gotten through it with only a few days of discomfort in both cases, but not everyone gets off so easy, particularly if you don't do the follow-up, and also if you don't have visible symptoms. i don't think this will cause me to radically change my behavior, but i may be a bit more careful my next time around the big durian.

joe_zop,
Welcome to the "clapper club".....haha..... I got that one too, and I got from unprotected oral sex (receiving end...who'd want to eat a hookers pussy!!! Yuck!). Anyways, you're right...a few days discomfort, take a pill or two and that should be it. Anyone who thinks they can't get a STD from a blow job should get their head examined. Enough said. "Wrap that willy"! Hope you're feeling better.

Perhaps the title of this section of the board is an oxymoron?

Interesting post Joe. Luckily you did not get it in the throat as that is very hard to clear. These women are walking with it; huge infection rates. I will try to be careful (this time) but it is hard to be a virgin!

Did you get one or two separate infections? Also, the dose you got seemeed to be quite benign. The BB One gave me a really bad one. See, they get infected, and keep on fucking so it gets worse. Then they pass it round (with some help obviously). This is a high risk activity and it is good to be reminded of this. Plenty of Purple Hearts here in the line of duty!!

Chikan: lotsa guys like DATY but the whole scene is risky. Also, you are somewhat complacent. Some of those strains are very resistant to pills. The pills work on the asumption we act like good ol' Joe; we take the pills, keep our dick in our pants and inform our partners etc etc. Now Joe will do all of that. But these babes will not. Every time we fuck/suck etc one of them, we are taking a BIG risk. They have no education, they want our $$ and they are not going to tell us they are giving us a souvenir.

Also, here is a philsophical question: let's say you take alady long time or for a long time as Joe did. Seydlitz and other gurus have told us that, in general, these ladies confine themselves to reading comics, talking to their friends on mobiles, watching teen TV and, of course, earning their keep by bbbjs, bonkingm oral, anal etc. Now, if we do NOT experiment, waha do we do with them besides take them shopping or shit like that. I do not want to appear mean or cruel but, bonking their brains out apart, what more can we do with them? Discuss Iraq, Michael Jordan, George Bush's state of the union address, what besised fuck and experiment. And if we are going to do that, we ARE going to catch something nasty

Skinless -- amen to the throat thing. I understand it can also difficult to clear from the eyes, which you can get by touching there after touching an infected area. As far as behavior, well, we're engaged in a high-risk activity and in LOS we're doing it in a higher-than-average risk arena. I consider myself lucky to have escaped things to this point, and I certainly can't imagine, after this, wandering around and boinking sans condom. I wonder if this is an argument for or against seeking out experienced providers -- newbies may be more naive or uneducated about their perils, but their risks of exposure are also lower. Hmm.

It appears I got it two separate times, and that's what my doctor thinks as well. He says the it's likely the first dose was cleared up and that I got a second one just before I left, based on the way my symptoms appeared. I certainly hope that's true -- I don't like the idea that I might have been wandering around with it for a couple of months. At the very least, though, my doctor assures me that even if I didn't completely get rid of the first dose, it was knocked down well enough that I wasn't wandering around infecting people, which is a relief. You may be right that I didn't get a horrific strain -- it wasn't pleasant, it wasn't something I'm looking to do again, but it was certainly bearable. Could also be that I caught it early or could be my metabolism -- I'm one of those lucky folks who never seem to get quite as sick (or as drunk) as others just because of how I'm wired. (Doesn't mean I can't whine like a baby with the best of y'all though when it happens, though!)

And you're right about the ladies -- few if any of them are going to lose income waiting for something to clear up. Even presuming they get it taken care of and take the medicine, which is a big presumption, they're still going to accept the barfines while the process is going on, and they're damn sure not going to tell us anything about it. And most of them are just going to be clueless about even why they should get it taken care of once the symptoms disappear -- I had a discussion once with a TG there about what STDs could do to her, and it took a very long time for her to even understand that being sterile didn't mean not having babies while she was on the job, it meant not having babies ever. Once she got this she was very concerned -- who was going to take care of her when she got old?

As far as your philosophical question -- and I'll risk this even though it's a bit off-topic here, as this sort of conversation has rather died out in the Thai Women section -- I think it totally depends on who you're with and what your approach happens to be. One thing I learned from spending a bit of time as a journalist years ago is that if you find the right way in, people will talk to you nonstop about just about anything, because by and large they don't get enough of a chance to talk about themselves. I've never particularly had a problem finding things to talk about with TGs I've spent a long time with -- they're usually happy to talk about how they grew up, their homes, differences in cultures, etc. If you ask them to explain a Thai situation or concept (greng jai, for example, or anything of the kind -- giving an uneducated person a chance to be a teacher can really open them up) they're usually happy to rattle on about it, particularly if you can relate it to the strange ways farang think and act as opposed to the Thais, as that can help them understand why their customers are so strange. They're often very interested in anything about how different other parts of the world are compared to Thailand -- but the connection with LOS is a must. Also, famous people, most especially good-looking famous men -- mooning over David Beckham, for example, seems universal, though interestingly doing the same over Paradorn seems 50-50. (Again, something fairly normal, I think, for young women dreaming of better lives.) On one occasion, I made fun of a TG's extreme interest in Beckham and Brad Pitt, since they're both married, and suggested she dream of Russell Crowe instead, since he wasn't married at the time. She didn't know who that was, and we had a hilarious time running to an internet cafe and tracking down info and pictures about him, who promptly went to the top of her list. (I was thanked nicely later, btw, "F**k me now, Russell" became a recurring joke.) From a completely practical side of things, I've found that expressing an interest in what she thinks about can add to the GFE and lower prices as well.

One of the reasons I stayed with my college student a long time was precisely that she could not only carry but could initiate a conversation, and she had a working brain as well as a hot bod -- it wasn't all TV or mobile, though the latter was certainly pumping a lot of the time as well, which I simply consider normal for a woman in her early twenties with lots of family and friends. (Thankfully, she had the ability to ignore it also.) She was fascinated by the books I had about Thailand, we spoke quite a bit about the workings of Thai culture versus that of other parts of the world, and she wanted to know anything I could tell her about India, Africa, etc. Discussions about price differences was a never-ending topic -- when I talked about how much money I earned she was interested and intrigued, but even moreso when I talked about how much things cost in the US compared to LOS, and how people lived. The TV she was watching was not the soaps -- she stayed up for a while until 4am simply because there was a Thai show about Muslims, Ramadam in particular. (Turns out she had an ex-boyfriend who was Muslim, but still.)

Obviously, YMMV, but I look at it this way -- most people you talk to, anywhere in the world, are focused first on themselves and their families, so why should TGs be any different? The trick is directly relating other topics to that, and not expecting big discussions on world politics, though often you can get definite insight on Thai politics and culture if you ask about it correctly.

Joe: Beckham is certainly da ma. Have you seen his homo erotic poses in his books. Talk about chasing market share.

I think it rather worrying that a smart guy like you got caught twice. STIs are endemic in LOS and it is bad we do not post more on it. The safe sex campaigns are propaganda as the girls won't reform and as for us....

I never want another does like that one I got this time last year.

I will stop here or we will get back to our mermaid discussion.They are so alluring and so fatal, for all of us and for themselves. The funny thing is AdleZ had a point all along. I'm sure you've seen the flame "war" in the Banned section. People who met NR say he's a good guy in person too. The funny thing about this board is it puts all of us together:all our differnet backgrounds, fetishes etc.

I guess Pattaya and Bkk canbe ok. You pay 2000 bt all in (shoping etc) a day and you get to swan around with a beauty. Great if that is what you want. But waht do you do after the orgy is over?

Yes, the Nibu discussion has been a hoot -- Dickhead's parody had me rolling. It, along with Z, show that people's online personas don't always reflect reality, but we can only deal with what we see and know, I guess. Same same with TGs.

As far as STDs go -- I know plenty of really smart people who died from AIDS, and history has lots of examples that prove how well the brain works means very little when it comes to the libido. Frankly, I've been incredibly lucky over the years rather than incredibly smart about things, relying on my strong metabolism (which is rather dense considering how young men are when they tend to croak in my family) -- heaven knows my drug-taking days back in the 70s weren't exactly paradigms of intelligent living. I've been fastidious about condoms for intercourse, as I've watched people suffer with AIDS and there's no way I'm at all interested in that experience. But two STD examples makes for a lesson learned, and I'll decidedly be a bit more circumspect about my behavior, at least in the higher-traffic areas such as Bangkok and Pattaya. It's the usual tough choice between the sexual acts you like and the life you want to keep living.

I do think we should be discussing this more, as I seriously doubt there are only a couple of us who've had this experience, given the overall incidence of things. But it may be like anything else online -- field reports, for example -- people may be getting, but they ain't telling. This is not exactly a topic people really want to think about as opposed to thinking about the next hottie they're going to explore, and with good reason. Heck, I'd rather think about that!

And as far as the whole mermaid thing -- I always think of the Stevie Smith poem title: "Not Waving But Drowning" as something that's extremely resonant. Them and us both. The orgy question's the same everywhere, isn't it? If you're going to spend time with someone there's got to be some kind of common ground or some area to explore or it gets old really fast. That was, of course, Z's whole assertion in a nutshell, but I guess I've just got far more in common with the poor and uneducated than him, being as I'm someone from the general range of the bad side of the tracks in the first place. I figure I can spend three or four days with just about anyone, male of female, before I get too bored, and can probably hide it or entertain myself for a couple days more, so I just don't find it all that tough to spend longer times with TGs or anyone else who's sharing my bed. Maybe it's just a matter of temperment -- I am generally bemused by life in any event, so I like to enjoy the process, good, full of disaster, whatever, if only so I can laugh about it later. As long as no one's getting hurt it's only time and/or money, and neither of those are anything to get too exercised about.

STIS: as long as some of us post, it means lurkers and others are aware of the (very considerable) risks. One of the problems of the Net is there is a lot of misinformation out there. People like us, when we escape for years, we get complacent and, then, wham. To me, it is like heavy drinking or drug taking. have a binge but move on. I posted about the Zona Roxa in Acapulco (no condoms and bring a machette) and the market in Mexico city. WTF was I doing there? Was I mad? (yes).

The whole sex scene is fascinating. Maybe we are doomed to bonk until we die. To die with our condoms on!

Here follows a quote from the KL board from a regular user. Follow ups have asked if herpes is curable. Am I the only one here into using toys and other safe sex implements on these providers?


[QUOTE]Originally posted by monsterfacial
[i]Sorry to be a wet blanket....but I have just been tested positive for Genital Herpes............and being a Graduate...I play very safe ...complete with condom while having sex but unfortunately it is the groin area that have contracted the Herpes infection.....
I mean read about ....the infectious nature about the Herpes virus and it will scare the pants out of you...........Waking up the next morning with suspicious blisters in the groin area is not the advertisement for the breakfast of champions...but rather the
fucked up and the most dum asses in the world.... [/i][/QUOTE]

From what i know (correct me if am wrong) from my research is that herpes is not curable. I however goes into remission and flares up once in a while. One have to be careful when it is active as you are likely to spread it by contact

Remember, the cold sores some people have on their lips is the same thing (herpes). They just travelled upstairs. So, if a person with cold sores kisses the dicks you will have genital herpes.

Be carefull, fellow *****mongers. Check out the lips when having BBBJ.

Maybe prescreening for herpes using PocKit is a solution. There is an on-going discussion
about using OraQuick and PocKit in the safe sex section (under special interests).

... herpes...

Maybe you better do some research at some medicinal oriented sites like [url]www.herpes.org/[/url] ?

Gentlemen: Please excuse my earlier post as i was very tired. I find it intersting (and worrying) that herpes is doing the rounds in SE Asia and that one of our top posters got it. I also find it worrying that a fellow poster did not know herpes has no cure (or bothered looking it up - but on the Thai sction, guys ask for weather tips). My point is very simple: there are a lot of infections out there and the infection rate is a lot higher among both mongers and providers than we like to think it is. Many, if not al of these women (and many men, like me), will fuck anything if the price is right. I did a rough count and I had sex with over 30 women in my latest trip. No more than 4 of them insisted on condoms. And thye were all newbies. There is a lot of misinformation on the Internet. Do not get an STI as a consequnece of that misinformation.

Skinless,

Did you insist on the rain coat when the TG didn't?

What do you think? I go there to fuck them and the name implies I do have my prrejudices. Do as I preach, not as I say. The odds of catching a nasty virus are quite high in LOS. The doctor seemed unconcerend about STIs (we have medicines) but warned me against HIV (no cure). You make your own conclusions from that. Another thing is guys are just interested in posting shit (she had big tits, 9/10). most are lurkers and almost all pretend there is no risk. The risk is big and real. That I take risks does not mean you should. So far, three people have owned up to Purple Hearts. I ma sure more here got bad doses but will not admit it.

Excerpt from www.herpes.org

"Herpes is a virus that infects the nervous system, modifying the DNA of the nerve cells supplying the skin through which the virus entered. The infection is permanent. Most patients suffer from recurrences that may vary in frequency from once in a lifetime to non-stop infections that never go away. The average rate of recurrences is about four times per year, plus or minus one. Recurrences typically take about a week or so to heal. This means that the average untreated person with HI spends about a month out of the year with lesions. "

If u read my note I had said there is no cure (I should have said "permanent").

As I said, be careful.

Kekekeke asked on th KL board if it is curable. I find it very interesting that few on the KL board seem to give a shit. If MF has herpes, who else has it? There is little doubt but that the litle head rules permanently here. I am definitely going to try to change my lifestyle as fucking the scum of Thailand is not a recipe for long term health. MY problem is i am over sexed and I find pumping pussy a good stress relief.

Many of them are lovely and good people but they get 0/100 on matters of sex hygiene and we are not much better. On several occasions, I fucked women where there was a quite high risk but I fucked them anyway. It is not that MF has been particularly unlucky, just that we have been lucky so far.

Also, Duni, you are ocnfusing genital and oral herpes.

Internet orders of herpes prescreening kit:

For those of you who want to check if the girl you picked has herpes-2 (even if she is not having an outbreak), I found a web site for ordering the PocKit 10-minute test kits

[url=http://www.bvquadro.com/phirstuse/phirstuse_buy.htm]http://www.bvquadro.com/phirstuse/phirstuse_buy.htm[/url]

I have not tried them yet.

Oops, wrong PocKit. Sorry.

Anyone knows how to get the real one?

Anyone remember the scene in Clerks with the 'Wrigley's Chewing Gum' Guy?

Skinless, this simply shows what we all know -- the more partners you have, the more likely your exposure and/or infection. It only takes one time to be wrong, as MF's experience (and our own) demonstrates.

And if people on this board are going to display the levels of ignorance that they constantly do, what are we to expect of a sex worker off a sheltered Issan farm, for whom buying or insisting on condoms basically means fewer baht for herself?

The Thais have actually done a really excellent job in the past decade on condom education, but the problem is that it's mostly been targetted toward members of the military and getting them to wear condoms. It's reduced the rate of HIV infection, which was well on its way to terrifying, but it can be truly scary to sit down (and I say this as someone who's done this on several occasions) and have a conversation with a TG about what she does and doesn't think to be true about STDs and condoms.

JZ,

As an example of the lack of understanding/education. The TG that I spent most of my time with insisted on condom use even for a BJ. This is good, but, her reasoning was that she didn't want to get pregnant. Obviously, a solid educational agenda would be a good thing for the government.

Yeah, I had similar conversations, as well as one where the TG was convinced that taking birth control pills or getting the patch would also protect her from STDs. But, honestly, I think the ignorance on this board is far more alarming -- I expect it from Third World ladies with moderate or minimal education, but presumably folks here have a bit more access to viable information...

Dear Mr Zop: you are, indeed, correct. The ignorance here is alarming in many ways.
1. We pracrice unsafe sex.
2. MF tells the truth and the lurkers attack him. If thye do not intend to screw him, and thereby risk him infecting them, they should be much more concerned with the riff raff they are bonking and abusing.
3. These women must be walking laboratories of all imaginable diseases. Not only are they uneducated but they are also very obliging. Notice the amount of them who have shaved pussies: my 600 bt bar fine + 1000 bt st er from near Nana last time round told me she shaves her pussy as so many of us like to DATY. I have noticed the little F machine from Soi 7, Pattaya now shaves her and little Lek (reminds me of a Japanese motor bike - great f engine) also shaves hers. That is coz we like to dine where others dine

So Monster Facial got herpes and Joe and Igot the clap (but not from each other). Anyone else get wounded in action? I think it would be much more beneficial to share stories about this than to talk about upset tummies and what a wonderful bbbj some dixie cup whose name we don't recall gives.

I got the clap by going bb and by letting my dick lie inside my BB lovely. I had previously been seduced by all the "risk is minimal" propaganda on the Intenret, this site included. The drips started in earnest 3 days after my tour ended and it was a very sore experience I would wish never to repeat. It took over 6 weeks of heavy medication to clean it up. That's waht I get for fucking a lady who has only her pussy and tits and kissing (GFE!) to offer me and anyone else with 1000 bt.
I took some risks this time too but am probably ok.

All I have is one cold sore and a swollen neck!

Skinless, you are right about what we should be discussing here.

I don't know who MF is, but, if he got something and was giving warning to others, it's pretty fucked up to give him shit.

It would probably be a good idea if he could ID any of the ladies he's been with (names, bar, number) that way we could avoid them.

For my part, I wear a raincoat for sex and BJ. I don't dine at the Y. And, rarely DFK. I'm still scared of what I could catch.

BTW, for those of you who think that wearing a jimmy cap is 100% protection from HIV, think again. The standard for porousness is [i]such that no more than two single cell organisms could pass through side by side[/i]. I'd quote the source, but the STD course I attended was a couple years ago, and I don't have my notes any more. But, that little factoid has stuck with me.

purplengold:

[i]
> BTW, for those of you who think that wearing a jimmy cap is 100% protection from HIV,
> think again
[/i]

It's only 85% protection, compared to BB.

I posted the reference URL in the safe sex section (special interests) a couple of days ago.

Purplengold,

Well, it now s-e-e-m-s that usualy barebacking Mr. Monsterfacial contracted a fungus.
Funghii are transmitable in many ways, including the nicest way: sex.
But they can be contracted from many sources.
These sources are mainly unhygenic. Dirty towels, dirty toilets, filthy underwear...
The wounds caused by some of these funghii can take months to heal, and the blisters they cause make you think: H-E-R-P-E-S, as I know from experience.
You need the right medication and some checks for syphilis, because, as my dermotologist told me, for a doctor the difference between herpes and a fungus is clear. But fungal infections and syphilis look very similar, even to the trained eye.

Dirty toilets, Freeler????
Although we should be glad MF has not herpes, we should be glad he posted a very timely warning.
Also, Thailand, Malaysia etc are ripe for all kinds of viruses and bugs. Even Freeler picked up something last time round (infected leg).
I think I got something n my mouth but it might have been the change of air after I left LOS.
I guess some of us are addicted to this and will fuck until we have to stop. I am already planning another mongering trip, maybe more upscale and less travel. Unless I can find a nice, congenial mistress here.

Skinless,

'Dirty toilets, Freeler????'

I knew that would wake you up!
Yes Skinless, dirty toilets.
I got it in PI where the toilet bowls are so small your hanging bits go tick-tick against the side...
It took me a bit too long to adjust, got it and it took months to get rid of it.
And it gawwddammed HURT!
A fungus is a smart buggar, it lives a long time after leaving a host... and it will find a new one.
You?

I too have been in the PI. They have the filthiest toilets I have ever seen: fit only for rats and pigs. It is a miracle you are still alive. I am, however, surprised you never got a Delhi belly attack.

Any ideas what this bug I have is? Maybe a flu? I ownder if it is sex related.

Skinless,

'I am, however, surprised you never got a Delhi belly attack.'

Well, if a Delhi Belly is any kind of runs, of course I had that. But I could always find another reason for it than food.
But I never had foodpoisoning (=salmonella) in Thailand or anywhere in the tropics.


'I wonder if it is sex related.'

Ask your doctor. Don't forget to tell her that you love dining at the Y:)!

Freeeler: you are not being nice to me. Here is a question. What % of these ladies have diseased pussies, asses, mouths? I owuld reckon, based on Joe_Zop's et al's confessions (maybe he should be on Jerry Springer) very very high. Freeler: do you always practice safe sex (except in Pi toilets)> Do you just get your kicks by dressing like a rubber freak, smearing them (and you?) in ky jelly and taking te most bizarre (I won't say perverted) photos of them. What must they think of farangs ho get them to pose as flounder at a fish market? Is htat what inspired all the sushi/sashimi talk?

On a lsightly different matter: has anyone kinda bought a sex slave? I know this is off topic but I figure a long termer (not AdleZ) might have indulged. I might relocate there for some years but it would be nice to have a lady on tap to do the washing, manicure me, scrub me and fuck me whenever I felt like it. Competent cooking would be a plus. say 20 k bt a month with lodging.

Skinless,

I may not be nice to you, but you are disappointing!
Asking questions like:
'Freeler: do you always practice safe sex '
You know the answer. It is: Y-E-S I D-O !

No, I do not like the sight of my dick wrapped in rubber at all. But if I want to keep doing what I like to do, that's of course 'come to Thailand and enjoy', I know I have to.
The KY is there for the same reason.

And the photo's? Guys, Mr. Skinless is just jealous.
He can get the pussy, but never takes a shot!
Talking of photo's. Joe_zop promissed me a sample of his girls in the shape of jpegs. None have entered my mailbox to date...

'has anyone kinda bought a sex slave?'
I haven't.
But the manicure, the washing, the cocksucking, all comes with the girl if she likes you enough to ask you to stay at her room.
Last time I had this pleasure it was just B500 a day, in Pattaya. That's including the room, the sex and some drinks as well.
We went out for dinner, which I paid for, so don't call me cheap!

As far as [i]'buying'[/i] a sex slave, I was thinking about this idea for a longer trip. I thought it would be cool to rent a nicer apartment for a month. Something in a high rise so the street noise is minimal, a jacuzzi, california king-size bed, etc.

Then, spend a few days wandering the bars looking for a few girls who would be amenable to being sex bunnies for a few weeks. Basically pay them a good rate but have rules like: only lingerie or nudity while in the house, meet me at the door when I come in and perform some sexual act as a hello, bathe and manicure me, sex/smoking on demand... Damn! I want to go back to LOS!

Figure 3 or 4 girls for about 100,000B + food/rent? Is this reasonable?

Skinless,

Remember Progman, the guy whose tripreports you didn't want in your mail?
He just wrote this on the AC board:

'Hope you get over that sore throat soon - too much DATY if you ask me.'

Now, doesn't that sound familiar?


PNG,

"100,000B'.. You just failed your first Freeler's Bargaining Course test:(!

Freeler -- spank taken, I'll try work on the photos (gotta organize them and chop them down, unless you like 8 meg jpgs.) Haven't actually checked that mailbox in a while...

General maid cost estimates, listed by the Thai government, run 6000 to 10,000baht per month for Bangkok -- it's cheaper elsewhere. So Skinless, I think you're probably reasonably close in your rates. PNG presumes paying pretty premium rates, probably what you'd get if you're planning to track them down by scouring go-gos, but in that case you'd better plan on paying barfines for all of them on an ongoing basis as well, as no TG is going to quit her job there for only a guaranteed month. A place to stay and ongoing employment obviously would keep costs lower than a one-month rental approach. That said, PNG, if you're planning to pay 25-30k per girl per month, or basically 1000baht a day, you're certainly not going to have much trouble filling your roster! Staying alive in such an environment and keeping the ladies all there, focused only on you, and getting along with each other is another matter entirely.

And as far as this topic -- the issue is whether or not people are taking risks with knowledge or not. Skinless took risks this time with clear understanding of the potential consequences, Freeler looks at the risks and decides to avoid them completely. I fall in the middle, choosing to be safer than Skinless and less so than Freeler. But all of us are doing this with knowledge of what is at stake -- people will behave in whatever ways they wish, but those who engage in unsafe behaviors based on lack of knowledge are far more dangerous, in my opinion, than those who know the risks but decide what their tolerance is toward them. The latter also know enough to know when concern is warranted, how generally to minimize their risks, and to get treated in the event there's a problem. The ignorant are generally oblivious hear-no, see-no, speak-no monkeys.

Joe,

you are right; keeping ladies locked in and ready to please is a big chalenge.

The Vietnamese emperor Tu Duc (I think in the late 18th century) had a harem of more than a hundred concubines. He once remarked that the Empire was easier to rule than the harem, with all the favorites fighting each other and meddling with politics.

He even sent a large number of them packing once...

Joe_zop,

Check your mail for a photo downsizing tip!

I wasn't thinking of keeping them locked up. I was thinking more of a playboy mansion deal. The girls with me most of the time. Going out bar hopping at night... I'd be on vacation, so the only time I would leave would be so that I could come home and get the described welcome home :)

Freeler. Damn! I'll do better. But, I was thinking ~1000B/day/girl with a slight discount because of the long term opportunity. Also, I was thinking of Freelancers so that the bar-fine wouldn't be an issue. What would you say is the correct price?

Information found on this WSG site regarding the herpes test kit, "PocKit" was GREAT! However, my initial investigation and contact with the company Diagnology indicates I must find a local physician to order the kits for me. The OraQuick for HIV testing can be ordered in 25 lots directly off their web site: www.orasure.com in that quantity they are $300. or $12.00 per kit. I went to the Central Idaho District Health Center and told Sherry I was going to Thailand and she said I should probably go ahead and start the Hepatitis A, B series (second one in a month, just before I leave and last one 6 months from now then I'll be set on those for the rest of my life). Also she gave me a typhoid immunization, tetnus because it's good for only 10 years, and did another polio vaccine since the last time I had it was, as a kid. She also gave me about 50 condoms, she said they are still the best protection! Not to brag but I'll probably need more than that!!! Lastly . . . though I don't want to be mistaken for Michael Jackson, I 'm seriously considering wearing a surgical (respiratory) mask to and from Thailand on the commercial jet. Also thinking about taking sleeping pills, one of those travel neck pillows, earplugs, and try and sleep for most of the 20 hour duration flight. Lon

As I did say on the CM-thread: I will not indulge in any immunity discussion - but I guess some of you want to read this:

[url]www.musc.edu/dc/icrebm/sensitivity.html[/url]

Zidaho

Thank you for your post. I took the liberty of copying the part about test kits to the safe sex section (under special interests) where the discussion has taken place.

If you find the test kits in Thailand, please share your experience with us.

Sabio, Philo,

Like Philo I avoid this discussion like the plague, BUT when false statistics are used, my blood boils and I can'd help myself, so:

'But there is another side to the test. Of our original one million, 990,000 are not infected. If we look at the test results on the HIV negative population (remember the specificity of the assay is 99.9%), we find that 989,010 are found to be not infected by the ELISA (true negatives -- TN), but we have 990 individuals who are found to be positive by the ELISA (false positives -- FN).'

FUCK THAT!!!

ONLY people who KNOW they have a reason to be tested get tested. NOT the others in the population of 1,000,000.
So, the entire bit between' and ' sucks and therefore the rest of the story.

A test that is 99.9% reliable is as reliable as ANYTHING gets.

My first and last 2cents on this.

Peace:)

I think the key issue in the citation is that out of the hypothetical one million tested with 1% infected, ten out of the ten thousand who [i]are[/i] infected would produce false negatives. A false positive isn't what is the concern -- if you test positive obviously you're going to want to be retested, and confirm things. The concern is those who are told they're negative when in fact they're not, as then you open to door to potentially unsafe behavior. If .1% of the infected population is going to be missed by the test, then in Thailand, where the infection rate is in the 2% range, that means that if you gave everyone in the country a test, 1200 people who were infected would show up as ok.

That's looking at things completely on a vanilla statistical basis, and it would be very worrisome to say that there were 1200 TGs running around who'd been tested as clean who were not. The reality is different, of course. (But since the discussion has been about testing kits...)

Thailand's efforts have changed things, and improved the infection rate in the commercial sex environment, where condoms are far more frequently used than in the past. A decade or so ago 80% of all AIDS cases in Thailand came from sex workers and their clients. The most recent information I've been able to find says that the vast majority of new HIV/AIDS cases in Thailand are now husband/wife, drug users, or male-male sex, and that 20% come from sex workers and their clients.

BTW, Thailand's Health Ministry announced a couple of months ago that the infection rate among Thai teenagers, one of the high risk groups, had risen substantially over the past year, with the rate of increase rising from 11 to 17%. This runs counter to recent years, when the number of new STD cases has dropped dramatically.

Folks,

I finally did the calculation to decide which is safer: condoms or test kits. The results are in the safe sex section (under special interests).

Yes Joe, when you are looking at this 'in general' there is some cause for worry due to the numbers cited. However, as the prevalence of a disease (or chance thereof) increases in a population the chance of false negatives decreases.

As has been stated before, the best screening test has the highest sensitivity (lowest false negatives). There is no test that is 100% accurate (although if you look at the test numbers cited in Orasure's pamphlet, they got that but used pretty low number of test subjects). A test that is 99.9% accurate while not perfect does a pretty good job of screening out high risk candidates.

Of course this still belies the 'window' period where one could be infected by HIV and still not show antibody production (which is what the orasure test measures). Most people will seroconvert after 12 weeks. The '6 month' standard is the outside of the bell curve for positive test (some will seroconvert in as little as a few weeks).

Can someone please tell me how I can buy some Orasure test kits? I called the Company, and they told me that they will only sell their Rapid HIV Kits to Heathcare Professionals.

[quote]originally posted by joe_zop [i]i figured i should post a follow-up, since i blathered on around here with my travails earlier. when i got back home i had another bout with the same symptoms as when i was in los. went to my regular doctor, and he prescribed both the same doxy as the doc i saw in chiang mai, noting that both clamydia and a urinary tract infection were likely, took a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] sample, and also gave me a shot for other nasties just in case. got a call today after i called to check on the sample -- a confirmed hit for gonorrea. ............... [/i][/quote]

j_z, all

i am sorry to say that i have picked up something, and i am heading for the farang doctor tomorrow. i do not feel exited about having sample pins stuck into my dick, so i was wondering: chlamydia can be detected from urin, is the same the case for gonohrea?

warning i think i picked it up aug 6 from a bbbj from a young girl in one of the ground floor open air nana beer bars. she only do bjs because she is 'sick in stomach. doctor say no boom boom 2 month'. it was first the day after she showed me some medicine (fuck me i did not write down the name) and she spelled from the thai paper goo-noo ..... i was too drunk to be intelligent, but now i have asked one of my friends to seek her up with a dictionary that contains the word in thai.

i do not want to ruin anyones business and will therefore speak no details: but if it turns out the worst, i shall have to reconsider bbbjs ...........

yes, a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test should be able to detect gonorrea, from what i understand. if i remember correctly that's all my doctor initially took, and drew blood only after i told him he might as well do the whole spectrum of std tests while he was at it. he said hiv was really the only one that he'd expect would come up there that wouldn't show up via [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url], since my hepatitus shots are current, and he didn't expect hiv since i was always protected for intercourse. but peace of mind is peace of mind.

and, yes, you can definitely get things via bbbjs -- i'm reasonably certain that's where my infections came from. i will probably still indulge, but perhaps not if i'm visiting one of the blow shops, as it seems logical to me that throat infections for gonorrea, which are supposed to be more rare, would be more likely for workers there than for your basic bargirl.

Joe_Zop

If you ever have had 3 cotton tipped pins poking your urin-tract, you wouldn't have forgotten.

Did you? Or was the urin sample all there was? (The needle for HIV does not scare me ,,,,,)

Nope -- I was lucky enough to avoid that both times, thankfully, as it would undoubtedly have been doubly painful in the condition I was in. Hope that's not the same with you, though I imagine it probably is -- I'm having sympathy pains just remembering.

philo,
ok..i'll admit it. i came back with "the clapper" (sounds funny, but it wasn't trust me). went to the doc's and this is what happened.
1) the doc. took a big *ucking q-tip and stuck it up my dink to do a swab..that was for gonorrea and yes..it really burns!
2) made me do a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test for chlamydia (since the two of them are usually present together). the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] test after the swab was fun!
3) like joezop, i asked for the rest of the bloodword (syphillis (sp.), hep etc..
got a hit for gonorea. took 2 pills..can't remember what they were and the problem was gone. oh yea, got the "clapper" from a blow job too! won't be doing that again..too fucking risky!

Joe_Zop, Chikan, All BBBJ fans

Guess that gives me 50/50 swab or not ......

! GONORRHEA !

Guys, here is what your up to:

http://biodefence.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdgon.htm

According to this site, it can infect through towels and hand-touching-body:

www.aidsarnia.org/gonn.htm

Time to get a wife? :(

GONORRHEA

through finger-sex and french kissing ?

www.laglc.org/std/STD02.6.htm

Most of the methods you're citing here are pretty unusual, as opposed to certain types, say, of hepatitis. In order for transmission by towels and the hand, it has to be a pretty immediate sequence of going from an infected area to body or from infected area to cloth to body, since the virus dies pretty quickly once exposed to air. Similarly, sex toy transmission occurs only between partners [i]sharing[/i] sex toys, which is going to keep most posters on this board in the safe zone, and there are other sites ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A230716[/url] for example) that say it cannot be transmitted by kissing. My bet is that the only time that's possible is if the carrier has gonorrhea of the throat (rarer) and there's very deep french kissing to the point that the tongue touches the infected area.

I think Joe's onto something there. My doctor said that Gon. lives in the spores in the back of a girls mouth. So if she deep throats you, and she has a tiny little mouth (don't they all?), then you can get infected. I didn't ask him "So..what if she just puts the head in her mouth..could I still get it!" LOL.

As I got my test results today, detecting no clap, but an agressive fungus that I might have picked up anywhere, I feel I should remove the warning mentioning a certain girl (even if the girl was not named or otherwise easily recognizable).

(I have also learned that antibiotics against gonorhea is also used against many other infections (so that I was wrong to infer that the girl might have gonorhea because she used medication naming the disease (amongst others, I guess))).

As the original post is not editable, I quote it and WITHDRAW it here:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Philo
[i]
.........

WARNING I think i picked it up Aug 6 from a BBBJ from a young girl in one of the ground floor open air Nana beer bars. She only do BJs because she is 'sick in stomach. doctor say no boom boom 2 month'.

....... [/i][/QUOTE]

I hope the girl hasn't lost any customers because of me, and wish her Chok Dee Mak Mak in her future business ..

Not a pleasant topic to discuss, but here is my advice.

I'm a huge conusor of BBBJs. I have gotten thousands over the years from hundreds if not a thousand different WGs. I have yet to catch anything. I do take precautions. Now I'm not so naive to believe that I am invincible, or "beating the system" I know I have probably been somewhat lucky so far, I also know how to take precautions when it comes to receiving a BBBJ and here is what I do.

First I always check the girls mouth out, I don't give her a full dental exam but will often take notice to make sure she has no obvious open sores. See any cold sores you better run for the hills

Second, about 5 minutes or so before getting that BBBJ, I will drink a very large glass of water. This will mean that in about 30 minutes time, after she is done working me over, I will inevitably have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] like a race horse. This allows the opening on your pecker to be washed out by [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] and seriously lessons the chances for the little bugs, like gonorrhea, or others to grab hold. This is scientifically documented and is affective. Not full proof, mind you, but very affective. You should try and time it so you are pissing as soon as she is done, or very shortly afterwards.

Third, I keep a small packet of very strong alcohol wipes. You can store these in a small zip lock baggy and keep them in your pocket. I will buy regular baby type wipes and soak them in some good rubbing alcohol and then put them into a zip lock bag. I wipe off my pecker and that whole area once she is done. Sure I don't do this right in front of her, as it would be offensive, but a quick trip to the restroom, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and wipe. I would guess by having done these steps for years now I have probably prevented myself from catching at least a few nasty things.

Some of you may find this amusing or ridiculous, but all I can say is the proof is in the pudding. I know I probably should have caught the clap or gonorrhea by now. 13 years of mongering on almost a daily bases, or at least every other day in the states. With probably well over a thousand different girls, having given me BBBJ and still to have not caught anything using this method is proof enough for me!

Things I never do, is anal sex or any kind of fu*cking without a condom. I love doing DATY, but will NOT do it on working girls. Too much risk. I will have them lie back open their legs and massage them with both hands, one on the clit, the other inside her, but no mouth action. I usually can get most girls off this way, but I have lots of practice. Two fingers massaging the G spot another on her clit gets them off 90% of the time! DATY is bigtime risky!

HAVE FUN, BUT YES, YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL!

GETTINGTANG~!

Hi bros! This is my first post so first I wanna thank all the members for the great reports and Jackson for the work. I am going to Phuket for the first time next week and I would like to know something about the test kits you were discussing about. Do I get them in Thai pharmacies? How do they work and how reliable are they.
Which sexual practics would you rather not try with a BG in order not to get the HI virus?
Thanks for your reply and I will report when I´m back!

Bottom line is simple -- condom equals no HIV. No real worries with BBBJ about HIV, though as we've discussed you can get some other nasties that way. I don't care how good the kits are, as I've never used them, but going bareback is still the main risky behavior -- even if the TG tests negative for HIV, such a kit doesn't guarantee no hepatitis, syph, clap, herpes, etc.

"I keep a small packet of very strong alcohol wipes. You can store these in a small zip lock baggy and keep them in your pocket. I will buy regular baby type wipes and soak them in some good rubbing alcohol and then put them into a zip lock bag. I wipe off my pecker and that whole area once she is done." Getting Tang

GT,
I also clean my whole pelvic area with alcohol wipes after any kind of action. Herpes can be caught through the skin, condom or no condom, so its a precaution against that.
As far as the gonorrhea, the clap etc are concerned, I always use a condom for BJ and FS so I never have to worry.

0C

Tang,

Great advice, especially the portable alcohol wipes. Hadn't thought of that, but will certainly become a staple now.

Anybody have any DATY tips (no, not HOW to do it, lol) for safety - I've heard of using a dental dam or saran wrap, but haven't tried either. Both sort squash the GFE mood, I'm guessing. I'm an eatin' kind of guy, but really don't want to take extra risks while mongering.

MM

GettingTang

Do you wear any kind of gloves when masturbate her ?
Since everybody has countless unnoticed microscopic small wounds at the fingers you should be aware that the way you practice it comes close to do it with your pecker without a condom.

Have fun

Traveler be real.

First people do not have "countless" microscopic cuts on your fingers. Cuts on ones fingers that might be that small heal and close to outside expose extremely quick.

The penis is lined with very thin skin and the blood vessels are extremely close to the surface. The head of the penis also has something fingers don't. It's called a urethra. It's your dick head opening, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] hole. The inner lining on the tip of you dick is an open source right into your blood stream! Much different then using your fingers. Now sure, I would not go sticking my finger up inside a girls snatch with an open cut, but please, lets be realistic. Barring an open and noticeable wound on your fingers, the likelihood of HIV transmission from fingering a girl is non existent.

DATY in my opinion is dangerous. The mouth is a very fragile place on the human body. It bleeds more regularly then any other location on the body. gums are also very thinly lined with blood vessels close to the surface. The tongue can also act as I direct link and be absorbent much like the urethra of the penis. It can go right into ones blood stream. For this reason, I never perform DATY on any working girl. I have also decided to keep my BJs covered. As recent data is now suggesting, HIV can more easily be transmitted this way then previously had been thought.

I always assume there are some girls out there who might actually intentionally try and transmit you the virus, due to being enraged about their own infection. They view you, the monger, as the reason why they are infected. I have seen it before and it is real. It's a dangerous world out there, one must protect themselves and be careful.

GETTINGTANG~!

GettingTang

I don't want to start a discussion about this. Do as you like.

But you have to admit, that manicure e.g. - and I guess you do it on a regular basis - produces small wounds of your skin when you remove it (at the bottom of your fingernails). Furthermore I had cut my hands a thousand times at a sheet of paper or somewhere else without even knowing it. Just saw it later on.
Sure, wounds will close, but do you check your hands every time before masturbating a girl ? Furthermore you are mentioning that the skin is thinner at certain parts of a body, so do you agree that the skin will also be thinner at a freshly closed wound of any size ?

If you doubt what I say, why not ask a doc who is specialied in HIV. He/she should know if this is a possibility for transmission.

Have fun
but be careful

GettingTang

One more suggestion :

Would you touch a positive HIV blood sample with your bare hands, no gloves ?

Due to your comments, you will, since your skin is protection enough.

If not, please tell me how you make sure that your chick doesn't got her period (asking her, uh ?) or that your fingernails won't hurt her inside. Maybe she already got a small wound from her last bonk some 30 mins ago or from some deep penetration.

You better be real.

Think about it

Pardon my ignorance guys, but I've been told that the HIV/AIDS problem in Thailand is now well under control. Apparently the Phillipines is the next hotspot for the virus. The Fillipinos are staunch Catholics and their bishops actively lobby for people not to use condoms. A couple of my friends take the chance going bareback in Thailand these days, but a lot of the girls usually turn them down. I think the message has got across to the majority of women in Thailand that sex w/o a condom is a big no-no. Having said that our experiences come only from Phuket and Hatyai. I'm not sure what the situation is in Bangkok. As I told my friends, all it takes is a little bad luck and, BANG, your life is over. Still they don't listen. Their lives I guess.

Ok Team,

Listen up, Remember Thailand is one of the Aids capitals of te world.Noone can give us an accurate report on all bar girls. Even if aids died down. It only takes one poison pill to ruin your life. These girls are with maybe 5 different guys a day. When you go to thailand how you look makes a difference with how much you pay and what you can do to the girl. I was in Thailand in October and was with probally 25 girls. I would say with about 20 of them if I went bareback they would not care. I even tested and teased them and they had no problem with this. I of course would never go BB in Thailand. I am a young guy and I do believe alot of them were attracted to me. But you never know what to believe in Thailand. I think if you are not that attractive girls will not want BB. If your cute enough you can seduce it out of them just like any girl. When I was in Thailand I would pass up maybe 300 girls to find just the one I want. I noticed many guys take the first girl that looks at them. I was also shocked that guys will sleep with these woman no matter how unhealthy they look. BB blowjobs are extremely dangerous. I had friends that ran into alot of problems. Becareful guys so this trip is not your last trip.

In the news today:

(At first I wanted to post this in the General section, but I've got the feeling it belongs here, in the Safe Sex department:).)

Sex and jealousy

A 21-year-old man and four teenagers were arrested in Din Daeng district after a quarrel in which they hurt a 52-year-old woman they had sex with.

Din Daeng police on Friday nabbed Thawatchai Cheuychan, 21, and four teenagers aged 15-17 (names withheld) in a rented room in Soi Pracha Songkhroh 27 after they quarrelled and caused injury to Ratri (surname withheld), 52, early Friday morning.

Police said Mr Thawatchai had sex with Mrs Ratri, his girlfriend, and allowed the four teenagers to join in, but he later became angry and jealous. Mr Thawatchai hit his girlfriend and the last boy, 15, on their heads while they were having sex.

The teenagers had yet to be questioned by police in the presence of prosecutors, social welfare officials and parents.

With all due respect, ChiMan II, I think you're dramatically overstating things by calling Thailand "one of the AIDS capitals of the world" and that is a rather dated perspective. The HIV infection rate in Thailand, according to UNAIDS 2002 statistics, is 1.8%. It's worth noting that only a third of the adults infected are women. The overall infection rate of sex workers in urban areas is 6.7% (much higher in rural areas, so Freeler et all, en garde!) which compares very well with lots of other countries where stats are available. Most HIV infections in Thailand these days are coming from infected male Thais having unprotected sex with their regular partners, usually wives or gay men.

Compare this to say, the Central African Republic, which has an infection rate of 12.9%, Kenya, (15% rate, 27% among sex workers) Benin, (3.6% rate, 40% infection rate for sex workers) Cambodia, (2.7% rate, 26% infection rate for sex workers) Haiti, (6.1%) the Dominican Republic, (2.5%, though lower than LOS among sex workers -- about 4%) or the Bahamas (3.5% overall rate.) Even Brazil and China, which have a lower overall rate, still have substantially higher rates for sex workers -- over 17% and 10% respectively. And there are others in Africa which are far, far worse. (All stats from the above source.)

The truth is that a monger is generally at far more risk going anywhere in Africa or to most places in the Caribbean than to Thailand. While no one can give a girl-by-girl report, one can get a pretty solid sense of things by looking at the rates listed at [url]http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/Map11table.html[/url] (current as of June) which breaks down the HIV infection rate of Thai sex workers by city. For example the HIV infection rate among sex workers in Bangkok is 2.6%, Chiang Mai 8.7%, Phuket 9.25%, Philok (for Freeler and Skinless) at 7%, Korat 4.6%, and Pattaya at a bit over 11%. This is at least a bit of an argument for mongering in the Big Durian!

Obviously, I'm hardly advocating bareback, as that's still risky idea, but let's at least keep the facts in mind.

Joe_zop,

"The overall infection rate of sex workers in urban areas is 6.7% Freeler et all, en garde!"
Et all?
Another little joke, I presume.
And you know damn well I always cover up.

Lots of towns near BKK have very high rates of infection, as do cities in the South (muslim...) and the North-West (tribal areas...).
Am I glad I didn't stick my privat parts in any one up in Phrea... 82%hiv-infected!!!???

Yes, two little jokes as of course I know you always play it safe, and you've lamented before the lack of adventuresome mongers who head out and explore. I doubt such stats will encourage that, unfortunately. And absolutely, Phrae seems like the place to avoid, (along with Nan) though you gotta suspect a rather small sample there, don't you think?

Joe et al: I don't think these figures mean very much at all. The level of education/knowledge about STDs is very low and doubt has to be placed on all surveys/samples involving the ladies of the night and semi literates (and sad mongers like all of us). My experience is most hos (and mongers) will take the chance to go skinless. The Thai government has a vested interest to pretend HIV rates are lower than what they are. Although there is a thriving gay/bisexual/IV drug use culture, caution is still advised. Pattaya and similar places have to be major HIV/STD reservoirs: just look at all the commercial bonking going on there. Also, what puts Phrae up in the top league infection wise? Is there something different in the air or dicks there?

Vested interests, academic and otherwise, have been doing these bs HIV surveys for a long time now. There is little new, novel or informative in them.

Us tourists are very much needed to help the Thai economy. If the sex industry dies down because of an AIDS scare this will hurt Thailand economy severly. It is in the goverments best interests to cover things up and try to keep things on the up and up. From my experience Thai woman worry more about money than STDS. People that experience Thailand will tell you it is no holds barred. It is just better to go there with the mind frame Aids is very big here. If you go there with the mind frame Thailand doesn't have that much std's then you are more likely to take chances and risks. How many places can you sit down at a bar and the girl begs you to pay her bar fine and sleep with her?

Points taken, Skinless, but at the same time most of these stats from Thailand these days come from hospital testing, and there's been a huge amount of work in LOS on testing -- I remember reading about several researchers there who were working hard on really, really inexpensive and reliable kits. The overall number of those infected does appear to have gone down in Thailand, partly because there's been a massive amount of deaths in recent years. (And the rates of new infections appear to be rising slightly in the last couple of years, though not among sex workers.)

I'd say the high rates in Phrae (and Nan, etc.) make a lot of sense, given that the rates have always been higher in the north, and brothel workers have also tended to be higher. And while there's a lot of commercial bonking going on, let's face it, most western mongers actually are condom-conscious for the most part. The existence of this thread is testimony to that.

I absolutely agree with you that many, if not most, sex workers will go skinless. We obviously all need to at least presume this to be the case for our own safety.

And can you name me [i]anything[/i] in the world that doesn't have a vested interest? We've all got to take our information from somewhere or another, and UNAIDS and the Census Bureau are at least not completely fly-by-night.

Joe: Was the fact that brothel owners in the 80% infected areas did not pay their bribes on time a factor?

Skinless,

Ha Ha, I liked your report. I agree with you 100%. In my opinion what makes Thailand so dangerous is this. You meet a beautiful girl. She tells you everything you want to hear. She does not at all seem like a hooker which throws you off guard. You spend your evening drinking with her. Some of these girls are so sweet and full of love you actually start to like this girl. She looks at you with those beautiful eyes and that sexy smile. She just got out of the shower and she smells like soap. She smells so clean and she is only 18 she probally hasn't been withthat many people, lol. So you think. Plus, 95% of the men with them are drunk from drinking all night. Alot of these guys are not good looking and never had an experience with such a beautiful sweet girl. No girl this hot ever paid so much attention to them. Do you really think the average drunk joe will care to put a condom on? Everyone agrees that to go bareback with the girls is not a problem. So you do the math. Thailand is paradise but it is also an illusion. It would be nice thought that all these drunk guys would not like to cum in these angels. This will not stop me from going to Thailand every year but I am just extra careful.

Chiman,

In fact a great many Thai girls do insist on condoms. I should know as I prefer to go without. I've had several girls walk out unpaid rather than go bareback. True, many will aquiesce to a request for bareback, but most try to persuade the customer to use a condom, and quite a few refuse condomless sex entirely. Not that this means much to your debate - I'd agree that some paid sex in Thailand is covered, some isn't - but my point is that as often as not its the Thai girl who's pushing the condom, not the customer. Of course I only do short-time so maybe if you like to take the girls overnight they're more cooperative.

[i]Everyone agrees that to go bareback with the girls is not a problem. [/i]

I've not heard that said by anyone here, regardless of belief about the actual HIV/AIDS rate. Skinless and I have both confessed to catching STDs in LOS. If you're hearing that going condomless is safe, then it's time to hang out with different "everyones."

Joe Zop,

I think what was meant is "to go bareback is not difficult to get if you want".

Let's have it repeated once again: unprotected sex is dangerous, even more so with a paid sex provider.

STDs happen that way, and so do unwanted pregnancies (a much underrated psychological misery endured by many Farangs).

This being said, TGs have a carefree if not careless attitude about pretty much everything in life. That is part of their Thainess. This includes a relatively low importance given to any precaution, including condoms.

Never count on the lady to enforce safe sex practices; In Thailand, she might not do it, or no consistently. (Consistency is another dirty word in Thai).

hey gang,

when i said we all agree getting bareback is not a problem i meant getting it. i did not mean it is safe. getting it though depends on what you look like. if the thai girl likes you and or is attracted to you it is very possible. if you are overweight or not attractive to the thai girl i think it will be harder. thai women do what they want as long as they are having fun. i would like to ask opebo a question. o**** did you ever catch any std's or have any negative experiences to share with us about going bareback? i would like a section added to the forum about negative experiences with std's to the forum. i think it would save lives. i will share one. i went to a san francisco massage palor. a nice 26 year old vitnam girl gave me a bareback blowjob. the following day i broke out in white hives all over my body. i went to the doctor and he asked my if i been to asia? anyway, he gave me a shot and i was better in two days. that was the last time i ever got a bareback blow from a working girl.

I have a question about anal sex with Thai girls. What percent of the time do the girls bleed? I wouldn't enjoy the experience of blood everywhere. Anyone with experiences I would like to hear.

Thanks

chiman ii

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i guess you are not talking about their period.
why should they bleed at all ?

use lots of ky jelly or another lubricant, go soft and slow and everything will be fine. the hardest part is to convince them that you won't hurt them, cause most of them already tried or want to try it, but had bad experiences or heard many negative comments from friends. too many men seem not to care about the girls feelings and what they scare.

so again, soft and slow with lots of lubricant, you might speed up later on if you and she ! likes.it

have fun

Amen, and jeez, c'mon already -- we're not talking about some weird species just because they're Thais, we're talking about women! If they're bleeding during anal sex you're doing something wrong! (And if the woman is bleeding she's probably the next one telling her friends what a negative experience it is.)

I swear, (and I'm sorry ChiMan II, as I'm not intending to pick on just you) sometimes posts here sound like they're coming from people who have never had sex in their entire lives.

Chiman II,

I have a lot of anal sex with Thai girls. I try to only take girls that will provide this service. In my experience they rarely bleed if you use lots of KY. The few occasions that I noticed bleeding or a bit of uncleanliness were usually when I got extremely deep and rough. But then again plenty of girls can take this and there's nothing but KY to be seen. Another poster made the point that there's no big physical difference between Thais and other women. Just like everywhere, most won't do it, and out of the few that do, only a minority can really take it the way it was meant to be done.

More apropos the 'safe sex in Thailand' angle - I admit that as a confirmed barebacker the bleeding issue is one of concern. Personally in the 90% of cases where there's no bleeding at all I consider anal sex with copious amounts of KY to be safer than vaginal - none of her juices involved.

Hi Joe,

It is not uncommon at all for women to bleed during anal sex. I had two girlfriends that had this problem when we tried it. I haven't had alot of girls that were up for this so maybe I am wrong? I am still researching. ha ha

ChiMan II

I am with Joe Zop, if the girl declines, DO NOT try to force her. DO NOT try to do it if she is not relaxed. And again, soft, slow and lots of KY jelly.

I am also Opebo, I can hardly remember any case when a girl was bleeding. Give her time to relax and everything will be fine. Take your time, no need to rush.

Have fun

Maybe it's the approach, Opebo and ChiMan, but I've had a fair amount of anal, and I've absolutely never had a woman bleed from it. I don't tend to be rough at all, (though with some women who are relaxed and experienced going deep and hard is fine) since I'm well aware it can cause damage and I've no desire to do that to someone who's giving me something so many others decline to do. I don't simply cornhole a woman who's willing but inexperienced without a substantial amount of preparation. Not to mention the fact that causing bleeding means everything goes up on the safe sex risk-meter.

Opebo, sorry, but you're in fool's paradise if you're going bareback anal, which I'm sure you really know and obviously just don't much care about. (The good old "can't happen to me" syndrome.) There's absolutely no evidence I'm aware of that "copious amounts of KY" does anything to prevent infection other than cutting down on bleeding -- sacrificing a chicken probably has about the same preventive effect in terms of keeping infection from entering via the tip of your cock when your partner is bleeding despite the lube. The woman's secretions have nothing to do with it when you're talking HIV: it's about the blood, and that 10% of the time, according to your own estimate, that there's bleeding, is simply exposure-city for you. Do us all a favor and post pics of the girls you're having bareback anal with, so we can avoid them.

FWIW, I tend to like Astrolube rather than KY, as I find it both more slippery, easier to apply, and more dependable. It is also simply handy to have around for regular sex.

Hi Guys,

I just had to jump in on this safe anal sex and bleeding discussion.

There is no safe unprotected anal sex. Period. Regardless of how much lubrication you use there is going to be some bleeding in almost 100% of all cases.

The anus is lined with extremely delicate blood vessels. Even the slightest penetration will cause these to break. You may not notice any blood but trust me there will be small microscopic tears in the anal lining which make a perfect conduit for transmitting the virus. This is why the virus spread so fast through the gay community.

Opebo, Can I possibly interest you in a safer hobby, say perhaps Russian Roulette with only a couple of bullets in the chamber? Get real dude. Most 5-year-olds in the year 2003 know that unprotected anal sex with a Thai hooker is attempted suicide. But hey, I'm not here to preach, just inform.

Live Long and Prosper,

Civ2000

I'll like to second (or third) the comments about lubrication and going real slow to start, especially with a girl who is new at it.

A sure way of making it certain that the girl does not get into anal is to make it hurt.
To me, nothing is better than a chick who 'enjoys' anal (yes, they are out there!).

Vaginal lining = very thick = less tears
anal lining = very thin = frequent tears
You don't have see blood to be exposed

Having said all this:
How do you "find and confirm" ( or ask) whether the girl will do anal (other than that infamous yellow line):

BJ = smoke
BBBJ = ??
Anal = ??
CIM = ??

Can these be had from any of the go gos or bars? Any differences between BKK and Pattaya with regards to above services?

JZ,
Please check your PM.

Joe Zop, Civ2000,

You're quite wrong about anal being riskier than vaginal for the penetrator. The higher risk is for the receptive partner. Hiv is found in vaginal secretions as well as blood and semen. Its also worth remembering that in most hiv positive people - those who are in the long 'dormant' stage between initial infection and aids - have very low levels of hiv in any of these bodily fluids.

As for the KY issue - I'm only going by a spate of news articles I read a few months ago about studies showing that KY and the like 'killed hiv'. The studies suggested that water-based lubricatants were an environment that was not easy for hiv to live in or pass through.

Lastly, circumsizion makes one much less pervious to hiv infection. Considering all these factors, I'm not in the least worried.

I have 2 questions I hope someone can answer.

1. Is there a HIV test kit sold in Bangkok that gives results in 30 minutes or is that a bad rumor.

2. Can anyone recommoned a good STD clinic in Bangkok what are the prices for tests.

Opebo,

"The studies suggested that water-based lubricatants were an environment that was not easy for hiv to live in or pass through."

This seems a bit odd to me. The human body is about 80% water and HIV loves it...
Everybody just rubber up, ok?

Well, Opebo, your logic is non-existent here. Whether the risk is higher for the receptive partner or the penetrator isn't really the point -- the point is that according to your own statement the women you're cornholing are bleeding 10% of the time. Blood, whether in the ass or pussy, puts [i]you[/i] at risk. Yes, they're more at risk (much more, based on your behavior, which greatly increases their chances of catching anything you have) than you are. Women are [i]always[/i] more at risk for STDs, regardless of the type or activity, than are men. Again, that's not really the issue here. (But I can point you to any number or citations that say that the single riskiest behavior is unprotected anal sex.)

Please cite a concrete source for the statement about lube, and I'll be happy to believe you. I have read extensively on this subject, and just did a web search as well. I've seen or found absolutely nothing that claims that water-based lubes, and in particular KY, manage to kill HIV. Everything I've seens talks about these lubes in combination with condoms. Now, some lubes might contain Nonoxynol-9, which does directly kill HIV, but KY does not. And the studies now considered authoritative say Nonoxynol-9 causes irritation, and thereby increases rather than decreases the risks of infection.

There's not a single authority that I'm aware of that says you're safe barebacking using your approach, so you may not be worried, but you're hardly safe. The percentages I've seen cited say that the risk of HIV transmission to a receiver during unprotected anal sex is 15 in 1,000 versus 3 in 10,000 from a receiver to a penetrator. Those might be fine odds for you, but they're not for me.

Joe Zop, Freeler

Ever heard the phrase, "like talking to a dead man"? Sadly, I fear that speaking to Opebo fits all too aptly.

Tatoosh

o****, no one here ever said that hiv doesn't exist in vaginal secretions. i wouldn't have unprotected vaginal sex without a condom either. but there is always blood contact in anal sex which does make it riskier. you make it sound like there is no risk of a man contracting hiv. tell that to magic johnson and the countless number of straight men who have contracted hiv. heck, if i can bareback anal a sw, then what can't i do? i cringe when i hear comments like yours. the world and all responsible mongers are trying hard to stem diseases like hiv, syphilis, and others and then you have guys like your self spreading disease and mis-information. i like joe zop's idea of having you post the pictures of the gals you've barebacked so we can avoid them. in fact, read joe's most recent report. he's obviously someone who has done his homework and knows what he's talking about.

civ2k

"Regardless of how much lubrication you use there is going to be some bleeding in almost 100% of all cases."

I've had anal sex at least 400-500 times. Have yet to see a drop of blood. If a woman is visibly bleeding, you are doing something wrong.

"Lastly, circumsizion makes one much less pervious to hiv infection"

Really? And where does this little nugget of wisdom come from?

Hi there,

I am a newcomer to the scene. I have been with pros in Canada and always try to get daty with them. It works about 30 percent of the time. What are the risks or doing this in Thailand? I have recently tested for all std's and came clean. This is after years of "swinging" bareback activity in Canada (dp's and all). I feel blessed to have come out of that era without a disease. I am into covering up for all activities except oral both ways. Is there much of a risk with Thai? and Viet and Cambodians? I am also into rimming them. Thoughts?

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Ok, I'll respond, though I think there's no settling this type of argument - we just have different priorities

Joe Zop -
I think the distinction between you and I is our definition of 'safe' - you mentioned a 3 in 10,000 chance. I have no idea if that is accurate but it sounds very low-risk to me. Some people look for gaurantees in life, others just for good odds. I'm one of the latter. I drive a motorbike in Thailand and consider that much higher risk (and less fun) than bareback sex. What clinches it is that for me condom-sex is really in no way enjoyable or preferable to staying home and masturbating.

On the lube issue - yes nonoxonol-9 is bad news, I know. Have never used it. But plain water-based lubes do greatly reduce the risk. This type of web search is difficult because one gets literally thousands of sites containing instructions about the use of 'water based lubricants' with 'condoms' - just the standard line. I could only find one reference -

http://www.google.co.th/search?q=cache:LK2H4jK6BAcJ:www.salon.com/sex/feature/2002/01/16/lubes_hiv/+hiv+study+transmission+%22lubricants+can+prevent+%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

I remember the things I read previously (on Yahoo News I believe) seemed to attribute the beneficial effect to water based lubes in general - this article stresses the preferability of Astroglide and a couple of others. Anyway, take it for what its worth. I mainly use them to reduce potential for abrasion and the risks that entails.

Civ1000-
Why do you want pictures of the girls I've barebacked? If you're practising 'safe' sex then it shouldn't matter if the girl you're with has taken risks or has something. I imagine the vast majority of them have taken lots of risks, and not with me - rather with Thai boyfriends who are a lot more likely to give them something than I or any monger. Relax, you're at no risk at all with your condoms, either of getting anything or having any first-rate sex.

Nailr - Check the posts below for this subject. In summary, the answer is NO; it is NOT safe to be engaging in condomless sex (oral or not) with these women or for you to be eating them out! The Clap is apparantly quite rampant in BKK and Pattaya and why stick your tongue somewhere where 15 mins. previous some guy shot his wad in her?
Don't ruin a holiday because of a few moments of stupidity and / or drunkness. Wrap that willy! Play safe and stay safe! Cheers!
PS. Even up here in Canada, you're taking quite a risk engaging in that activity with them....good you got tested and you're ok.

Nailr,

I have two very good friends who now have a herpies of the mouth because of eating hookers out. But have fun anyways and let us know what happens.

Chikan,

Thanks for the advice, though it really it isn't what I want to hear. You are right about covering up at all times and most likely I'll try to refrain from daty, we'll see. I have read some of the reports on this subject and am shocked to see guys on here who will have anal sex with these girls uncovered. It doesn't take a genius to know that's suicide, of perticular was one poster who said some very sadistic things about making them bleed. That made me sick.

I can tell all of you that I've never seen such a dummy like Opebo or similar guys. This guy is too much, his logic is like a ten-year old kid who has no knowledge whatsoever about how bad the AIDS epidemic is. He is now going around spreading his infected semen to poor girls in third world countries. He doesn't think about the welfare of these human beings and thus showing how cruel he is! Hey be mature! Man, how I despise him.

Nailr,
Your dilemna reminds me of something a good friend said to me long ago, which is: "If I'm going to get HIV from eating pussy, then I'm going to get HIV from eating pussy." In other words, NOTHING was going to stop him from his favorite activity - DATY. All I can say is I wish you the best of luck in your resolve to refrain from DATY. I am also a huge fan of the activity, and I simply do not have the discipline to keep from doing it, even when I know it's not a good idea. I will ALWAYS wrap up for the main event- that goes without saying - but I simply find it impossible not to go down on a girl who really turns me on, hooker or not. I can't resist it. I love it that much.

BLEEEEECH! I would rather lick the toilet! LOL

I know you can't get hiv from oral sex, unless you are a vampire, but this Thailand not Romania so I'm not worried. It's a blood exchange that causes it. So, maybe I will get the klap, but that is also rare for oral. My first trip abroad and you are right, if the chick is hot nothing will stop me from tasting that sweet ass and pussy, escpecially if I am wrecked.

I've had a klamidia test before and have friends in Canada who have had it, it's not so bad. Some antibodies and you'll be fine. I don't think I would be able to help myself. I'll always have the girls take a shower before, with me doing the cleaning. To get rid of the flavour of nations. Burning [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] for a month is acceptable to satisfying my desire for an insatiable 2 weeks.

"Kiss a toilet". That's not too far from the truth when you think about the fluids and bacteria. Except one is a sensual and beautiful humanbeing and the other is pure pourcilan, in Canada anyways. The UN says we have the best toilets in the world.

ChiManII,

That is actually the one thing that scares me...herpes.

i have 2 questions i hope someone can answer.

1. is there a hiv test kit sold in bangkok that gives results in 30 minutes or is that a bad rumor.

2. can anyone recommoned a good std clinic in bangkok what are the prices for tests.

o****,

do not underestimate the effects of herpes, syphillis gonerrea in the practice of bareback bangin it is best if you settle in with one girl otherwise do the right thing wrap it up. do it for the girl. do it for the community. most of all do it for yourself.

Opebo, I agree there's no settling the argument, though I'd say part of that is because if someone simply chooses to ignore all the best medical advice and insist something is safe, it's not really an exchange of information that can lead to changes in points of view, it's an expression of a faith or pure belief. To me, a 1 in 3300 chance is a pretty lousy one -- I've certainly had more sex than that, which would mean the odds are I'd be infected.

As for the motorcycle argument, well, duh! The odds even in the US are about 1.5 in a hundred that you'll be in an accident in any given year riding a motorcycle -- and Thailand has pretty much the highest accident rate in the world. That's hardly a worthwhile comparison -- though I'd frankly rather go through a cycle accident than AIDS, thank you very much.

Still, to use your comparison, I'd say the point is really simply this -- you can radically reduce your odds of being in a fatal cycle accident by wearing a helmet. Same same with HIV/AIDS. You call not doing either an acceptable risk, fine for you. I call it being unnecessarily irresponsible, and putting other people at risk.

As far as the photos go, it's very simple -- I'd avoid the girls you've been with as they clearly engage in higher-risk activity, and therefore are more likely to have caught something. Condoms break, shit happens, and if you're dealing with someone who engages in safe sex you improve your odds considerably simply because the odds go down that they've got any STDs. Since there are so many TGs who are available, I'd simply choose to choose someone else. Doesn't keep me from getting laid or having my fun, just means I've got less to worry about.

Since you're an adult it's your right to take whatever risks you want. I wish you absolutely nothing but luck, because apparently that's the only thing keeping you safe so far!

Joe Zop,

I find this discussion of probabilities fun. Lets say the likelyhood is 1 in 3300 - about .0003. And lets say 25% of TGs are infected - probably wildly high.

.0003 X .25 gives us .000075 per sex act.

Assuming one sex act per day on average, and say 4 months per year in Thailand gives us 120 sex acts per annum.

.000075 X 120 = .009 annual risk. (or .9%).

So let say I'm the typical 40 year old hobbyist. How many years do I have left. Well, 100% certainty is 1.0 so 1.0 = .009(x)

1.0/.009 = about 111 years till 100% risk, or 'certainty'. Tack on another four years for it to do you in, and this 40 year old high-stakes gambler of a hobbyist is cutting life short to a mere 151 years. Sad really. Why couldn't he 'act responsibly'?

Of course I actually know almost nothing about math so I would welcome input from anyone who does. My 'common sense' reaction to odds or probability is that they 'reset' with each winning hand. For example if this hypothetical 40 year old hobbyist has lucked out up till now, his risk is back to .0003 with that next sex act on his 41st birthday. That would actually reduce the risk - I believe if anything the above analysis overstates it.

Anyway, a more apt comparison wouldn't be wearing a motorcycle helmet but say never leaving one's house or avoiding showers for fear of slipping on the soap - 'safe sex' is that absurd.

Under what logic do you think the odds "reset" after each act? That might works for straight probability on coin flips, but I don't see how its application is relevant here.

Here's another way of looking at your "logic" using precisely your same mathematical approach: at any given point, there are probably well over 3300 mongers in Pattaya alone. (Let's just use that number cause it works easily; it's probably low, and there are certainly other places than Pattaya.) The most recent HIV infection rate reported in for sex workers in Pattaya is 11%. If all of those mongers are barebacking, then there's a 11% chance on any given day that one of them is getting infected. That means over forty would be getting infected each year. If I want to look at it in the opposite direction, and presume that 1% of all these barebackers are HIV positive, that would mean (according to the 1 in 50 rate for receivers) that about 20 sex workers would be infected each month by those 3300 mongers, or well over 200 in a year.

Somehow, looking at it that way, I don't find your dismissal of safe sex all that comforting. The bottom line in LOS is that it was the increase in condom use -- not any other change in behavior -- that was responsible for radically reducing the climbing rate of HIV infection during the 90s. A similar process seems to be occuring in Cambodia as a result of government campaigns there. I challenge you to find any even quasi-authoritative alternate explanation for that.

Globo:Get checked at at Bumassgrad Hosital on Soi 3. Very good, complete STI checks. Lots of STIs in Thailand - told that by the doctor at the hospital. And as both Joe Zop and John Skinless are purple hearts (wounded, or diseased in action) we cna speak from bitter experience. My name is John Skinless but I know I am playing a crazy game. Just be careful about all the bareback propaganda: the problem with the Intenret is it is too easy to post dangeroulsy misleading bs.

Opebo

I wonder if your theory on probability is correct. If it is then I suggest you look at the way you "play" in a different light.

Perhaps this might help:

If 11% of sex workers are infected with HIV (we discount all other diseases here for the moment even though there are over 8+ STD's you can catch!) and this means that for every 10 girls you bearback more than one will be HIV positive!

If a girl said to you, "I am HIV pos and would like you to fuck me in the ass bear back" would you still do it?

Ignorance is bliss huh?

By the way, "when" you do catch HIV and develop Aids, will you tell us on this site? Then, by using your own theory of relativity seen in earlier posts, at least we can accuse you of BB riding some rent boy and being a screaming homosexual!

In any case its your life, do what you want.

Joe Zop,

Good points about receptive partners - for example sex workers in Pattaya. For them the risk is high enough that condom use is probably worthwhile - especially since for them there is no downside as they're not doing the sex for enjoyment, and condoms only rob the penetrator of pleasure. For me however there is a huge downside, namely total lack of enjoyment or senstation. Of course the reason prostitutes go without condoms is that some of their customers, like me, would decline to purchase their services under those terms. Thank god for the 'pay after' norm!

Swiss Tiger,
Thanks for the reassuring statistic - only 11% eh? I was assuming 25%. And yes, I've buttfucked a few girls - freelancers on Sukhumvit or Beach Road - that I figured almost had to be positive, if anyone was. I mean we're talking doing it multiple times per day porno gapers here (just my cup of tea).

Freeler,
Nothing new in your post - you just changed the estimated risk factor. Of course none of us knows exactly what it is. I never said the risk wasn't lower for the condom user - of course its lower. In fact its infinitismal. But the catch is that sort of sex is not worth having at all, much less traveling across the world for and paying. My own hand feels better than that nonsense! And ultimately my risk is so low I'll have fun sex all my life and never get it, and you'll have mediocre sex all your life, and also never get it. Probably the only difference will be a few cases of clamydia and gonorrhea.

Joe Zop,

I really do not know about the HIV infection rate in Thailand now, whether it is actually raising slower or decreasing, and whether that most welcome change can be attributed to a more widespread use of condoms.

As far as I suspect (and no, I do not have official figures at my fingertip to prove that), the use of condoms in the general Thai population is still not widespread.

It is true that government agencies have done much to promote safer sex practices and healthier behaviors in general. How much of that has had an impact in actual cases of infection is not obvious to me.

In the area of factors having a favourable impact on public health, you could also cite the War on Drugs that the Thaksin administration is so famous for.

I would not put too much trust in anything Thai authorities do or say they do, or any success they claim. They have limited resources and skills available in that field, and they are not above putting forward unsubstanciated numbers.

As for Cambodia, it is actually far worse in that (and most other) respect.

Always the sceptic.

And as you know, Seydlitz, I have full respect for your skepticism, and I certainly know the Thai government is hardly known for its stone-cold accuracy (such as its pronouncement this month that 90% of the drug trade has been "eliminated" by its recent bloody tactics. See, for example, its past pronouncements about there being utterly no terrorists in the country.) I rather doubt you can credit the "war on drugs" as having a substantial impact as of yet, since it's a very recent phenomenon, and its effects would not be showing up in statistics for a while. The most current reports I've read on the HIV rate (earlier this year) say that it's been starting to rise again -- though not among sex workers except for some in rural areas - but I fully agree that any such information needs to taken with large grains of salt. I know your perspective on what can or cannot be credited as an AIDS infection or death, per earlier conversations in this thread, but I will still go by the defined stats in the absence of anyone supplying something better to work with. To me, having statistics one acknowledges might be off to some degree is still better than having none at all.

While it's true that condom use among the general population in LOS probably hasn't risen all that much, there's absolutely no question that the usage among sex workers has risen dramatically in the last decade, and since there's been a corresponding slowing in the spread of HIV during that period, it's at least a reasonable conclusion that there's a connection. As I said to Opebo, if there's another valid explanation, I'd love to hear it.

Joe Zop:

I guess there is little benefit in debating on this: increase in condom use is a good thing, the general health is improving, and the dreadful indicator (HIV infection) goes in the right direction.

Let's not spoil that warm feeling by suspecting God knows what inaccuracy ...

Joe_zop, Seydlitz,

I saw plenty condomvendingmachines, B5 per condom, in Isaan last summer.
Every pro I was with had her own supply of rubbers, and I saw Navy boys showing their rubbers to other navy boys on the bus.
'Sai tum' was probably the phrase I heard the most!
Those are very good signs.

Opebo,

I tried to edit the post you are referring to, but I accidently deleted it, an old habbit:). I planned to spice it up a bit, but reading your reply it would have been a total waste of time.
If the girls you choose can't give you the real feeling because of condoms, choose better!

But hey, if your sex is to die for, I prefer sex to live for.

Opebo, ah, now we've gotten to the crux of the matter -- it really doesn't matter to you what the risk factors happen to be because it's all about maximum sensation. Fair enough, if that's your decision, and I will of course admit there is some degree of diminishing of sensation wearing condoms, though the newer ultra thin ones do help in that regard. I don't happen to agree that it means total lack of sensation -- I've gotten tons of enjoyment out of sex with a rubber, and that slight decrease of sensation also means I can go on forever.

But the bottom line is that there's a big difference between going around and saying, "I don't really care -- I want it to feel this way regardless of the consequences" and saying, "My behavior really isn't risky." If you want to be a daredevil and aren't doing anything illegal, then it's your choice, but telling people it's always ok to jump from the top of a building because it's fun and because you personally have always landed in water is simply misleading and irresponsible.


Well said, Freeler, as always, and that's good news on Issan.

Joe,

jumping from the top of a building kinda hurt every time, even if landing in water. Ouch !

Joe Zop,

Jumping from a building is not an apt comparison since the risk is so small compared to that. Yes, sensation matters, but the reason it is worth the risk is only partially because sensation is a value - it is also because the risk is so tiny. So I stand by the statement 'My behavior isn't really risky', because the risk is statistically so remote that concern about it is a absurd. I might as well waste my time worrying about slipping in the shower.

Seydlitz,

Though I have nothing new to contribute on the rather low hiv prevalency rates in Thailand and Cambodia, here's a very recent article about the dubious nature of the African statistics -

http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old&section=current&issue=2003-12-13&id=3830

Dear fellow Mongers:

I have found where to buy Orasure Oral HIV Testing Kits in BKK for 2500 Baht for a box of 25 kits. The company name is Asia Pacific Biotech and the contact email for the company is: Supasorn--supasorn at brianet.com.

I contacted Supasorn and he responded to me in one day and also sent a map. I am attaching the map, however, with the size limitations, it may be impossible to read. I am sure if anyone is interested they can contact Supasorn for a detailed map of where to buy this product.

I will be in BKK in January and I am looking for weekly GFE and I really prefer testing the girls. These test kits are less than USD3 a piece and are 99 percent effective.

Anyways, I hope you find this information helpful and informative.

Thanks,

Wil

Wilsafris,

I like your idea. The only downside to the test is sometimes the HIV hides in the system and they might come out negative now but six months from now turn up positive. Some people might not want to believe this but I discussed this topic a doctor.

Wilsafris, ChiMan,

these Oral HIV Testing Kits are excellent tools for testing only one thing: how gullible one can be.

The connection between HIV and AIDS is way more complex than what most people seem to believe, and those tests, or any such test, are after antibodies to HIV, not HIV itself anyway.

If one is afraid of HIV, then one should refrain from partaking in high-risk behaviors, like unprotected sex with working girls, or any stranger for that matter.

Screening those one-night-stands using whatever method shady biothech companies can persuade you of buying makes no sense at all.

HI

I completely understand that HIV can be undetected in most humans up to 6 months. I completely understand the ramifications of having sex, unprotected, or protected with a working girl. However, i do take issue that Orasure is a fly by night biotech company. These products are made in the USA and Orasure is a publicly traded company on the NASDAQ and Orasure is a FDA approved product. For more info on Orasure, look up the stock symbol OSUR. The Oral Test requires a swab of the inside of the cheek. It is a simple test, and quick and 99 percent effective.

Of course, by testing someone, there is always the risk they have HIV and the test will come back negative because of the 6 month window. However, it gives ME more sense of security.

This board is for the passing of information. Everything I have stated about Orasure is true. Finding Orasure in BKK might be very important to some people. Research the company and be happy there is such a product on the market : )

Is this section only for AIDS, or can we speak about other STDs ?
Has any of you ever get a "moluscum contagium" ? This is a kind of little shits that have been growing on my pubic (not the organs so far) and can become red and itching. According to the doctor I have seen in this Pattaya hosptital, it is not very serious but quite persistent and contagious. So I got that from one of the cuties here... He suggests a curage but I have not yet decided what to do. Ii seems that cream is not very efficient. Any experience of that ? Thanks.

Erik -- left you a response in the general Safe Sex area.

Erik,

Please tell us. When you got this std. Did you wear a condom? Did you see anything out of the ordinary when you looked at the girls vaginal area. I did post on a previous post about some things I have seen that scared me.

I always wear condom. I have 3 small blisters on the pubis, not the organs. Apparently it could also come from hotel towels...

And... I have no way to recall which girl offered me this chrismas present.

Erik,

I doubt you got that from the towels. But you answered a question I often wondered about. Can we catch STD's from girls even with a condom on by just letting our pubis touch. I guess the answer is yes. I bet that girl had an open sore around her vaginal area that you did not see but it came in contact around your pubic area. I was always cautious on Thai woman who always try to do everything in the dark. I always wonder what they dont want me to see? Please let us know how your condition turns out or at least private message me because I am aways trying to learn more ways to stay safe.

Thank you and I will you luck with your condition.

Opebo

Your posts are as always of "very high quality", especially your math regarding the risk of getting HIV.

If the risk of getting HIV is as low as you say, how do you explain the spreading of HIV around the world ? It should be much less due to your comments.

Some people never learn

To the millions of reader worry about my health : you can read my report in the Special Interest/Safe sex section.

Ci Man II : so that is your understanding of the "I shy" trick. Maybe...

The_Traveler,

Two factors - 1) the spread of hiv around the world is highly exaggerated. And 2) it is spread by various activities that have little to do with the typical circumsized heterosexual monger. For example - intravenous drug use, receptive anal sex, receptive vaninal sex, and more rarely penetrative sex (especially 'dry sex') with an uncircumsized or diseased penis.

What I do - low stress, well lubricated penetrative sex, either vaginal or anal - simply isn't very risky. And it sure feels better than condom-sex.

erik,

when they say "i'm shy" maybe they are hiding something or maybe they really are shy? you never know? i never understood how a hooker could be shy. when i went to the massage parlor "cupicity" or how ever you spell it i paid like 3000 baut for a girl that would say this to me and never let me see her stomach or privates. she always wanted to keep it covered. from what i could get glimses of she had a baby before and that whole area looked terrible and unhealthy. in thailand you never know what to expect. if i am going to be with a girl that is banging 50 guys a week i want to at least get a peek what i am putting my dick into. i don't like to go in blindly.

Opebo, posting in a forum titled 'safe sex' - and promoting sex without a condom is unfathomable. Let me guess, you have your own theories about catching warts, chlamydia, herpes, syphillis etc. which also somehow justify your ignorant, foolish, selfish behaviour? Absolutely undefendable.

Of course you are right in your own mind, because you are arrogant enough to concoct your own little dreamworld. Never mind the chances of impregnating these girls which you obviously care little. If you are so educated about these matters you would also agree that the risks are greater for the girl, and subseqently every other monger that comes into contact.

Why do we let these people post in a group title 'safe sex'. Opebo - what exactly are you doing here sharing your wisdom?

Opebo

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1) the spread of hiv around the world is highly exaggerated
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Please post the correct numbers of HIV cases in the different countries depending of the way of transmission.

Thanks for sharing your ultimate wisdom with us.

Sincerely

The Traveler

This guys is a fucking winner!! :mad:

Crispy, et al

I'm just doing a little debunking. Its all just opinion, theory, and a few skewed statistics. You seem to believe there's only one way of looking at the issue. We just have different definitions of 'safe'.

The_Traveler,

Of course no one has exact numbers on the amount of hiv in the world, or the method of transmission. But I suspect the numbers of males out there that got it through penetrative sex, as opposed to receptive sex or intravenous drug use, are very, very few.

Obepo,

There are lots of very nasty STDs that one can get - and spread further - through heterosexual intercourse, especially in paid sex encounters in underdevelopped countries.

Irrespective of your opinion on HIV-AIDS and its prevalence in the world (and I am a declared skeptic about much of the HIV-realted accepted wisdom), the kind of behavior you are advocating is both misguided and irresponsible.

This reinforces my impression that the only thing preventing people from having a free-for-all unprotected sex atttitude, in Thailand and elsewhere, is the fear of HIV-AIDS, since it is perceived as the only untreatable STD.

But clearly, in your case, even that is not working ...

[quote]We just have different definitions of 'safe'.[/quote]

There's an understatement if there ever was one.

And you've nailed it nicely, Seydlitz.

Should this thread be titled "Safe (sic) Sex in Thailand"?

As I said before, just wait until they find a full working vaccine for HIV. You will likely be waiting two years to be able to book a flight to LOS. The pricing will triple over night. Ya I know P4P has been around in LOS much longer then HIV, but people, us mongers especially have been sexually repressed for some 20 years now! Trust me all hell will break loose once the fear of HIV is gone!

If you're banging WG around the world without a condom, trust me, it's only a matter of time before HIV bites you! There is a reason why in certain high risk areas of the south east Asia, some 83% of the WG have this disease! Parts of Africa are the same. Rationalize all you want in your own little dream world, but it will get ya! Might not be the 1st time you expose yourself, might not be the hundredth, but it will happen.

As for oral sex, I think receiving it presents are very minimal low risk, performing DATY, is probably a medium to high risk. I am all to aware of the stats, but trust me, people around the world are catching HIV at an alarming rate, most these days are heterosexuals. Safe sex is the only way, until a foolproof vaccine is designed. I dream of that day!

GETTINGTANG~!

Seydlitz,

I couldn't agree more about HIV being the only thing holding back sex tourism in any and all countries where it is tolerated. Of course this means mainly Thailand. Though I do question how much longer we will be tolerated even in Thailand.

Most guys refuse to take any risk at all. I suspect they think they're going to live forever. This is a common misconception, especially among Americans. The ony thing that might slightly reduce a huge post-HIV-vaccine increase in sex tourism is if women in the 'first world' become more promiscuous. It is conceivable they might do this since one risk factor would be gone. Then again, I think the main point of sex for them is financial advantage (though on a higher pay-scale than the developing world prostitute), so they'd probably remain un-generous.

Some STD advice - what would give a person one big welt on the shaft of the penis? It looks exactly like a big mostquito bite. I suppose it could actually be one.

Some STD advice - what would give a person one big welt on the shaft of the penis? It looks exactly like a big mostquito bite. I suppose it could actually be one.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030604162356/http://erl.pathology.iupui.edu/dermpath/derm_index.cfm

I tend to agree with Opebo.

I simply ask where is the evidence to the contrary? I don't see or hear of large numbers of mongers in Pattaya or any similar place contracting HIV. Freelancer specialists are obviously at greatest risk but nothing seems to slow them down.

Does anyone have any personal stories of buddies etc contracting HIV, how they think they got it (unprotected intercourse, oral, DATY etc)?

I just wrote a bit of a spiel in the Special Interest section of the main index. I'm really looking for some knowledgeable opinions (with some facts/evidence) and experiences.

Cheers

Red Rex

I personally used to know at least 3 girls who contracted HIV. One already died, the two others vanished (maybe dead too).
But I do not know how they contracted it. Might be upcountry in some cheap brothel or in Pattaya.

Do not expect to hear a large number of mongers telling you that they are HIV infected. They definately like to keep it secret.
It is there, believe me.

Have fun and be careful

Opebo is a walking and dying HIV / Syphylis / Gorno stupido trying to revenge the world just like a white ho I saw on TV a while ago. This woman with AIDs when asked why continued to be a hooker, said she just wanted to give it to others to revenge. While she was telling her true feeling this kid Opebo is telling lie to hide his deadly intention.

So my question is, and don't think it's silly please, as long as you are having protected sex, what are the dangers for AIDS and STD? I know nothing is 100%.

James Tran,

You might be interested to know that I had my usual hiv test just before departing for the States about two weeks ago - Negative of course. Usually I follow up with one a few months after being back, but I have no doubts or worries on this front. Its simply not something one is likely to pick up through penetrative activities.

Bound in Iraq,

Don't worry about a thing, enjoy your well deserved vaction. You're 100% safe with condoms - heck even we barebackers are highly unlikely to get it.

Bound in Iraq, according to a study published in the January 2002 issue of "Sexually Transmitted Diseases" done by some CDC folks, not wearing a condom is twenty times riskier than wearing one, in terms of contracting HIV. That takes into account stuff like condoms breaking (pegged at 5% of the time) percentages of both gays and hererosexuals who have HIV, and the accuracy of HIV tests. They say that the safest sexual activity, in terms of HIV, is receiving oral sex -- giving is twice as risky -- that, for guys, vaginal sex is ten times and anal 13 times riskier than receiving oral. Condom wearing would then be factored into those numbers.

I've only read an abstract of the article, and their conclusions seem to be based on US stats, so I can't comment on their methodology or conclusions. This also speaks only to HIV.

Some other numbers, just for the sake of argument -- if you presume that 1 in 250 working TGs are HIV+, (just to pick a number in the general ballpark, feel free to change this) then your odds of having a sexual encounter with an infected partner on any given encounter is 0.004. Have sex a hundred times with different TGs and that means your odds of exposure are around 0.004 x 100 or 40%. (Exposure obviously does not equal infection; that's a different issue -- estimates I've seen on this range wildly and are connected to tons of variables.) If you presume your condoms are only 90% effective in preventing HIV transmission (low according to most studies, even including breakage) then your odds of exposure end up going down considerably for the same 100 encounters -- 0.004 x .090 x 100 = 0.036, so basically you've got a 96.4% safety rate after those 100 encounters. To me, there's a critical difference between a 60% non-exposure rate and a 96.4% one. It ain't perfect, but it's a lot better.

Hi,

I've finally decided to try MPs this time. Shall be in Bangkok this weekend. Do I have a chance to get any disease becuase of this?

Can I get AIDS or any STD if do the tub thing? I'll avoid penetrative sex anyway.

Please respond. No cynicism.

Thanks

Prince,

No cynicism from me, just pity...

Have you ever considered talking to your gp about this?
Where ever you live, there must be a place where you can go and ask all the questions you have and get some answers.

We don't live in the fifties anymore, you know...

Last night, the condom broke. I felt it, pulled out immediately and ran to the shower to wash off.

Does anyone have an informed opinion about the chances of catching a nasty given the circumstances? Also, how long do I need to wait to test and where I can go in LOS to do so?

purple, if you pulled out immediately and washed off the chances are almost nil that you would catch something. if you urinated immediately as well the chances are almost zero. i wouldn't even worry about it enough to get checked.

civ2000-

PnG, as Civ says the probability is that you're safe, but the window period for testing varies widely in terms of the type of STD, so it's tough to say exactly when you should get tested if that's what you want. The quickest an infection would be detected is generally two days -- and that's only for Gonorrhea, with most others taking around two weeks at a minimum to show up. The best way to check things is to have a blood test done at 3 months and another at six, as that covers basically all the windows.

Thanks for the responses (in this thread and by PM). I'm calm about it now and will wait my 2 weeks for a first test and then get more thorough work-ups at the recommended 3 and 6 month intervals.

Also, I'm gonna have my little bit of Joy checked as well so I can be doubly sure.

Overly paranoid? Maybe, but spilling a little blood in a vial and pissing in a cup is a small cost to pay for piece of mind :)

Thanks again.

The WHO estimates that half of all sex workers in LOS are HIV +. That is a sobering thought. The same study also notes that in the North, that figures is probably 75%.

Condoms decrease any chance of obtaining an STD dramatically, but when you mix alcohol, stupidity, sleep deprivation, Cialis and more infected hotties than you can shake a stick at...well, anything can and does happen.

Pix won't open. gives Warning can't open

Golazo,

the WHO estimates are just that, estimates spewed out by mathematical models.

One should rely on WHO facts and figures. But there are not enough of those to support the estimates regarding HIV prevalence, as nobody ever bothered to run comprehensive field tests, because of cost, political resistance, etc.

In the absence of evidence, these estimates are rather wild guesses, that could be miles away from the truth.

This of course is no reason to abandon safe sex behaviors, since even in a totally HIV-free world there are countless of nasties that one can catch.

Golazo, would you please cite a specific source for those figures, as they're radically higher than any others I've ever tracked down. I know, for example, that the 2000 UNAIDS/WHO estimates were at 7% for Bangkok and ranged up to 57% in places in the north. The last time I saw estimates in your ranges for Thailand were from the early 90s.

[quote][i]My reply to a PM from Obepo concerning his request for info on BBFS at Eden (BKK2004 thread)[/i]
First, it wasn't an attack. It was more like a slap in the face, 'Wake the fuck up', kind of thing. However, since you are obviously doing this with every bit of awareness...

You're not worth the time wasted to look up hard numbers, so I'll stick with conservative estimates. Unprotected sex with an HIV person carries greater than a 5% chance of causing transmission of the disease. More than 1% of pros are infected. the odds are that you're infected as well. That leaves at least a .02 probability that you would catch the nastiest from any pro you fuck. Add in the rest of the nasties, even excluding those that penicilin can rectify, and you've got to be looking at a well over .1, but the .02 is good enough to prove the point. You say you've barebacked a couple 100? We'll assume that means 200. If you've barebacked 200 and had a .02 chance of contracting HIV, then you have a probability of 1 for being a diseased dude (and a probability of 20 for all the nasties). When's the last time you got checked? My guess is never, or you're lying about not knowing you're infected.

How does that fuck things up for the rest of us? You're spreading your diseases you worthless, walking dead, mother fucker. When you give someone HIV, you are killing them and possibly the people they have sex with (whether their partner's wear protection or not does not erase all probability). So, you go around spreading your shit and are not only raising the risk level for the rest of us, but you are killing your partners.

Basically, you're a murdering, diseased, fucked up in the head shitbag. I'm not your buddy.

Lay off? You can fuck off.

[quote]
Opebo wrote on 04-13-04 19:17:
PurplenGold,
Friend, my question about Eden was an honest one, I don't see why you had to attack me:

>Obepo, are you insane? You are seeking out bareback with pros?

I've barebacked at least a couple of hundred. Nothing worse than a few antibiotics required on rare occasions.

>Are you already infected with all the nasties and just want to fuck the world up for the rest of us?

A) No, uninfected, of course. You've just plain got your facts wrong on female to male transmission.

B) How does it fuck it up for the rest of you? If you're wearing your condom, you're not going to get anything regardless. What she does with others is none of your business.
[/quote]

Please, people, ignore this fool's request. And, if anyone knows him personally, please smack the shit out of him in order to knock some sense into him.

PnG, I'm sure 99% of the mongers on this board agree with you (myself included) but there has been at least a hundred posts warning Obepo of his idiosy and suicidal ways to no avail.

Some guys just never learn!

Did anyone see the report in Details Magazine, also the reports on Fox News saying that that said HIV and AIDS is not cause by normal sex between a man and a woman? And that the chance of getting aids through normal sex without a condom is one in five million and with a condom one in fifty million?

Not trying to start another condom vs. no condom fight here just asking the questions. It does make one think, if true maybe time to rethink the positions that we take?

Sexreview

SR, in this case I support what you say about re-thinking our positions. This doesn't equate to changing your position.

A number of years ago I heard on the (highly regarded) public radio system in Oz that the chances of contracting AIDS for a man have unprotected sex with an HIV-positive woman was about 1 in 400. You then needed to extrapolate those odds against the chances that the woman you were with was positive. This will obviously vary according to the lifestyle of the woman ie sex worker, amateur, etc etc.

I haven't heard or seen anything since which contradicts the 1:400 statistic. Of course you may always be the 1, but like so many things in life, we are often weighing up risks against rewards.

I don't condone or condemn unprotected sex - I just think we need to make our own choices, as does the (working) girl, and the next guy who goes with her.

jack

In China, nothing is ever as it seems.

PnG - while your intentions in the BB issue are correct, your statistics are a bt "muddled". Assuming a .02 (as in 2 percent) chance of an occurance, that same 2 percent occurs whatever the occassion. Just like throwing a "seven" in dice is always 6/36 - because you manage to throw 35 "not seven" in a row doesn't mean that the chance of the "seven" is "1" - it's still 1/6 (numbers are my work)

As to BB and the HiV, issue, though - without "proof" (as in "verified test" of non-infection, the risk is just too high. It's not like losing a bet (as in dice) will cost you some money - you risk your life

Use the BIG head, not the LITTLE head

Dinghy,

I understand what you're saying about a discrete event having the same probability, and that the effect is not cumulative if you are considering each test individualy. However, when checking the probability of an event occuring once in x tries, then you are playing with a different rule. If the probability for an event occuring on any particular 'roll of the dice' is P, then the probability of an event occuring once in X tries is x*P. This is because the probability is basically an or statement: P that Event occurs on try 1, or P that event occurs on try 2, etc... Basic probability. :)

In obepo's case (using my prior assumptions), the probability he will contract HIV on any particular uncovered encounter with a pro is always .02. However, when testing the probability that he contracted it in 200 tries, we get 200*.02 = 1.

And, I definitely agree with you about the risk being too high!

PurpleNGold,

If one in two hundred is not acceptable what about one in five million? Where do you draw your own line? We all take risks even flying on a plane to Thailand, so what level of risks is acceptable?

Sexreview

C'mon, Dude!

You mean you want to die, or be disease inflected for a lifetime. All, b/c cause you do't want to use a condom.

15min, to 2 hours of pleasure, for death, duh?

I want to have fun, not die.

Is it worth it? Just get a gf, then you don't have to use any.

PnG - then by your mathematical reasoning, if he did it X400 the probability would be _2_ (and probability can never exceed "1")

<smile>

SR - I sort of doubt the 1 / 5meg probability rate - While I'm no expert in means of transmission of HiV, I seriously doubt if it's necessarily that much different from clap or syph and they both infect thru the urethra.

As to air transport, though - it's an acceptable risk (low enough to be in the noise - lower than the chance of winning the lottery. I assume the 5meg rate is based on "normal" hetero??

SR, is there a solid source, coming from some sort of study, for those numbers? I've seen tons of different ones, and they also vary according to the sex act involved. There are tons of ways to massage those numbers -- they may, for example, be talking about a random encounter, where you're coming into contact with any woman in the US, which is different from coming into contact with a sex provider in LOS. Talking about strict transmission possibilities and giving numbers that include rates of possible exposure are two very different things, as the latter are much more situation-specific.

As I mentioned previously, according to a study done by CDC folks specifically about the issue, not wearing a condom is 20 times riskier than wearing one, in terms of contracting HIV, which is different from the number you quoted which says ten times. I'd be interested in tracking down the differences.

Guys, It seems to me that the mongers who go condomless are missing the big picture. Always when debating whether to suit up or not for FS the focus always seems to be on HIV.

I've read where a lot of doctor's are now saying that Hep C is just as dangerous as HIV. It is about 200 times as easy to catch as HIV, has a long incubation period where you show no symptoms, and results in a chronic illness progressing to liver failure and death. Interferon which works part of the time is like having the worst flu you ever had for a year.


In fact I read one physican who was quoted as saying with all the new treatments on the horizon for HIV, if he had to choose between the two he'd pick HIV.

Then of course is Hep B which is very common and extremely easy to pass sexually. It's often not too bad but increases the liklihood of liver cancer exponentially.

How about warts? I don't really like the idea of ugly and painful warts all over my dick which grow back as fast as the doctor can burn them off. Heck, if I had only twenty years to live I think I would rather have HIV.

Herpes: yuck!

The Clap: hey pissing razor blades is just not my cup of tea. But for you masochists out there.

Lots of nasties out there and I just like myself too much not to cover up.

Civ2000

Dinghy,

A probability greater than 1 doesn't have real physical significance, but it can arise mathematically when dealing with these types of problems.

Basically, if I say I rolled the dice a thousand times, I can say that the probability is greater than 1 that I rolled a seven at least one time out of that thousand. However, physically it's possible (though extremely improbable) that I didn't roll a seven at all. And, if you ask what's the probability of rolling a 7 on the next roll then the probability is, correctly, less than 1.

It is particularly weard people panic when talking about HIV. The chances you catch HIV by bloodtransfusion or other means besides sexual contacts are close to equal. I guess lots of us are too much Media addicted.

Other infections like stated by Civ2000 are more due to sexual contacts and therefore more dangereous to be caught! And not so very "in demand" on media channels.

As far as it goes to punting and not having knowledge of the background of the girl, be safe and wear your preservatives.

When one decides to take a week or 2 weeks with one single girl (which happens in Thailand) you have more chances to know who you are dealing with, getting background info. Also the possiblity to make a medical checkup on her. This will give you certain insurances about most usual STD's, whereoff the tests give instant results or short term reports. So why not go without preservatives when all above conditions are fullfilled? Indeed, it is up to you anyhow. And nobody will give you a 100 percent certainty you will not catch anything.

If you really want to be "preserved" from STD's do not *****monger/swing anylonger. Become a monk. And stay away from the scene. Take a wife, get married and just hope she does not screw around, otherwise your chances are going up again.

I recon I could role a 7 on a dice at that moment PnG, maybe even with a 6-eyed dice.

So lets say take your chances but bear in mind you cannot do it with everyone.

Cream on Top,

Finally, a reasonable post on this subject rather than the nonsense statistical fiction one usually sees. It comes down to that - if you want to be perfectly safe, stay home and masturbate. Personally I don't find condom-sex enjoyable in any way, and can't understand why anyone would want to pay for it or find it preferable to masturbating at home. But I respect other's right to be unrealistic hypochondriacs.

This is an issue that seems to attract a lot of puritans and busy-bodies. Whether or not to use condoms is a personal choice. Alas, some people like PurpleNGold, et al, simply don't respect others or their right to choice.

The facts are the risk is very, very tiny, and - I hate to be the one to break this to you - one isn't going to live forever anyway. If one were this unreasonable about all risks one could never drive a car or take a shower standing up - might slip! Puritans just have a different calculus of risk for hedonistic activities than they do for unpleasant or mundane activities. While I can respect their choice, I like to remind them it has nothing to do with reason.

Obepo, in case you didn't notice, the prior post by Cream on Top was not in support of your argument. He was referring to a different situation entirely (an LTR). Cream on Top, was talking about going bareback with a girl after you have her tested and have a reasonable assurance that she's clean.

I would still disagree with going bareback due to the dangers ending up with bastard children. I don't think Cream's suicidal or psychotic like Obepo, and wouldn't put him even in the same ballpark.

As for not respecting other people's rights to their own choices, I'm a pro-choice guy. However, You don't have the right to make choices that raise everyone else's level of risk.

The point, PurpleNGold, was that Cream on Top's position was a reasonable one, unlike your knee-jerk one.

The fact remains, its none of your business what other people do sexually, and it has nothingwhatever to do with your risk.

Opebo - well... the issue of YOUR going BB and your knee-jerk reaction to someone attempting to inform you of the risks point out your own misunderstanding of the "sharing the wealth". ASSUMING "we" (as in the community out here) don't BB, (BBBJ not included) "we" won't spread the nasties. Frankly, _I_ don't care what _you_ do (after all, it's YOUR life). IF you want to take the risk, that's OK.

PnG - depending on how many time you are with whomever poo ying, yes, there are chances of producing offspring. Hvaing her figure out WHO you REALLY are, though, is another matter entirely. They never get anything real from me (my nickname is "doi" (mountain) and that's all they get) - and where I stay doesn't even ask for anything except a "name" and baht so I'm relatively untraceable.

You have to care somewhat. This is someone life you are talking about. Whether, it is man, or woman, No one deserve to catch this disease, even if you can prevent it.

My life is worth more than 15 min. to 2 hours of fun, than prolonging death. I love my life more than that. The girls in Thailand, just want to survive, and support their families. They are willing to do anything to do that. You can't blame them. Us, We are lucky SOB, from the western world, that we can having anything we want, or need. With convertion of the dollars in our favor, we live like King, if we want. Why spoil a good thing?

Any Sex worker is high risk. If you are going to do that, then you have to go to countries where the risk is low. Unfortunately, Thailand is not one of them.

Ouch, Dinghy, and with all due respect, I hate to say it but that attitude is just as troubling as not worrying about whether or not you're spreading STDs. Creating kids and disappearing without a trace is hardly the most honorable policy. (I know you're not doing that, but that's the way it comes off.)

And Opebo, I presume you're including your own "nonsense statistical fiction" in your statement, as you've certainly thrown enough unsubstantiated numbers and statements around here. I fully agree with you that using or not using condoms is a personal choice -- but advocating for responsible mongering is hardly being a "puritan." The bottom line is that everyone here's out banging multiple partners for baht, and very often the same partners, so one person's choices can affect another's.

Ok Guys,

We can all pretend that there are no STD's in Thailand. We can calculate the percentage of catching something. But, it only takes one time. Bareback is very easy to get there along with alot of other things. If you do get a girl knocked up. What happens if you go back there next year and run in to her. You probally won't but there is always a chance you could. The goverment is very harsh with this offense if she reports you. It is best to stay safe each time so you live to go back next year.

Joe - so, lets put this in perspective - Even if I cared about the girl, exactly HOW would _I_ know if she got pregnant? I'm in country for some maybe 2 or 3 weeks, not even in the same locality and then gone and not back for what would be the 9 month gestation period. UNLESS I met up with her later and she told me... (and then given a working girl, how - unless thru DNA - would I even have asurances it was MINE?) What

No disagreement whatsoever about the reality of the situation and completely no accusation here -- and there's absolutely no doubt that any number of working TGs probably have told a dozen different farangs they're the father at various times in an attempt to get their hooks in. I was simply reacting to the attitude that you're safe because you're untraceable as being counter to the concept of responsible mongering, that's all.

Amen,

I wonder why the AIDS in Africa is now killing so many people. Does the risk 1/5milion make any sense? Of course not! Don't tell me the African folks with AIDS are all using blood transfusion or needles to spread this disease. Let assume 1 mil of the AIDS folks have never been drug addicts and never used condoms then the time to infect AIDS to 1 milion folks is ~ 200000 years! He he .. do the math and figure out my assumptions! Is there a contradiction here?

Just a question

any advice regarding viagra or the like ?
Which product is best, prices ?
Like to try it once, maybe a performance boost, who knows :D

Please don't jump on me, I know I had seen a few post regarding that in the past and I could search the database. But products and prices change all the time and I am in a hurry right now.

Any advice appreciated.

TIA

TT

Viagra is good but expensive (200-300B ea.) Indian counterparts Penagra, Caverta are a lot cheaper and works the same (500 B for 4 tabs) The ingredients are the same. Lasts about 24 hrs. Try with half a tab first.

I hear Cialis is supposed to last 36 hrs. never tried it though.

Duni is right - the "generic" works the same for A LOT LESS MONEY (I paid 800B for 4 one place and thought that was a good price - at first) - IF you have to have the "name brand", however...

Traveler,

I have great success with Kamagra from India. 1/2 a tab, then the other half either approximately 12 or 24 hours later, and I was good for a week to a month. Seriously! No problemo! No complaints!

Think I paid 600 Baht for 4 at a pharmacy in front of the Ambassador Hotel in the plaza fronting Sukumvit.

The only issue was that I could fuck for hours and didn't feel like cumming. That's a serious porn star upside.

Robux

Duniawala, Dinghy, Robux

Thanks for the info.
Last night bought some chinese "generic" at a pharmacy close to Emporium.
800 for 4 tabs (200mg each). Tried to charge me 1600 for Viagra 8 tabs (100mg each).

Took half a tablet about 2 hours before and another half a tablet a bit later.
Not much of a difference.No performance boost as expected but a slight improvement. Guess it's not worth the money until you got this kind of prob.

The chicks I had during the last days are my viagra. Real f...king machines. No complaining if you go for a long ride. This was always my biggest prob with the real pros. Girls new to the business still enjoy and love sex. Pros are just out for the quick money.

Will give Kamagra a chance. If it lasts a week then it must be strong. :D

BTW, any side effects ? Viagra and the like were originally invented for heart treatment.

TT

There are no "chinese" sbstitutes. If there are then they must be fakes.

The Indian one you want is Penagra or Caverta. I am not sure about Kamagra.

All these have the same active ingredient as Viagra and in the same dosage, Called 'slidenfil'. Hence the same warning goes for these just as for Viagra.

Side-effects: I had some slight headaches the first time I used it. Also, you can go on and on without a release. Also, don't use it too often. you might get dependent on it. (the last is my personal opinion)

Kamagra is the same as Penagra, just made by another Indian company. Don't know where Traveler's getting "a week" though, as it lasts the same amount of time as any other form of Viagra.

BTW, I have heard that there are several Chinese knock-offs of Viagra that are actually ok, but there are so many fakes it's hard to tell what you're getting. The Indian ones are from legit companies there.

Side-effects of Viagra include headache, flushing, upset stomach, stuffy nose, diarrhea, and, in some people, tightness in the chest. For a true cautionary tale, take a look at TrashMan's heart attack tale in the Viagra & Other Performance Enhancers section.

Traveller - 200 mg - gad the "normal" V dose is 100. 200 will drain the blood from your eyeballs and make you stiff as a board

Recreational? You won't get it down for HOURS

oh, and it's SUDENAFIL CITRATE

Dinghy,

The proper spelling is:

Sildenafil citrate

If the name on the box is misspelled, I would not trust the contents...

er... I guess I'm glad I got new glasses (not joking) "il" and "u" looked about the same without the magnifying glass.

gad - what HAVE I been using as lube - preparation H?

we get too soon old and too late smart.

While in Cambodia my moto driver took me to a pharmacy where I bought Kamagra and Zeagra. Each box contained 4 tabs, 100 mgs each. The Kamagra was $10 USD for the box of 4. The Zeagra was $8 USD for a box of 4. As I reported in the Cambodia thread, I took one (forget which) and half an hour later my dick started getting hard as a Cambodian lady gave me a manicure. Right after that I had an afternoon romp with 2 Cambodian cuties and afterwards, as they washed themselves and me, my dick was still rock hard. It eventually went down.

I took all 8 tabs over a 4 day time span and I believe they worked really well. They lasted through my days in Cambodia and Pattaya (8 girls.)

I'll post the picture of the nice Cambodian lady whose manicure gave me a hardon. I bought a "Red Bull" hat (written in Chinese) at the Bangkok airport; I put it on her head and then took her picture ($2 USD for a manicure and pedicure.)

Duniawala

not a substitute, a generic.
Like Kamagra is from India and that one was from China. Couldn't read the name, had the same ingredient like Viagra but double dosis.

Joe Zop

Robux said that Kamagra lasts a week. Will give it a try on my next trip. Cronin and me bought a few to check them out.

Had no side effects so far with the chinese stuff.

Dinghy

I usually don't get it down for hours. :)
The girls often prefer quick sex = quick money which was always my biggest prob with pros in LOS. This time I was very lucky that all of them seem to enjoy, but after 2-3 hours even those had enough.
Not much difference and no real performance boost when taking Viagra and the like. The only difference I saw was that I sometimes got a hard on without any reason. Maybe I am still too young :D

Sorry to post this question which might have been discussed before but I gotta ask. Please don't bombard me with diatribe.

In LOS, where can I take my girl for a medical check-up that 'working' girls usually go to do their checks? Are the results out in the same day?

Pls advise.

Thanks,

AM2

As far as I'm aware, Kamagra and Penegra are the same thing -- I read a number of articles about them in Indian newspapers when I was in Delhi which described their processes of making sure they could be manufactured under Indian copyright law (which basically says it's ok to manufacture a drug that might be protected elsewhere as long as you use a substantially different method to do so.) They come in 50 and 100mg doses, exactly the same as Viagra, and contain citrate salt of Sildenafil, same as Viagra, so the only way they'd affect you for a week is if Viagra itself would do that. You've used that, so you well know how it will or will not affect you personally. Robux may have had that effect, but the bottom line is that Kamagra is generic Viagra, and expecting it to do something that Viagra does not, in terms of how long it lasts, is wishful thinking. Its advantage is that it's cheaper.

YMMV, for sure. I've found that different formulations of meds, between name brands and various generics, give me different results. Perhaps it's my body chemistry. Maybe it's the floor sweepings they mix into the generics as a binder that have the right buffering effect for me.

Asian Monger #2

are you still in Pattaya ?
If so, go to the PIC hospital in soi 4. They do all kind of check ups and also a HIV test. It's a bit more expensive than the Memorial and closer than the Bangkok Pattaya but I personally put more trust in their results.

In BKK go to the Bumrungrad hospital also in soi 4 (Sukhumvit this time) as far as I remember. It's one of the best in Thailand.

A HIV test was about 1.000 baht. Ask Tapioca, he did it last time we had been there :D

Check out the female pre-nuptual checkup. Flat fee. All inclusive.

[url]http://www.bumrungrad.com/en/packages/spec/checkup/ckup7-2.asp[/url]

Also, check out the male pre-nuptual checkup. Same deal.

Robux

Traveler,

No, I was in Pattaya from 30th Apr till 1st May. Now I'm back in KL, Malaysia.

I just wanna know, the next time I'm on business in BKK, where can I take my girl for a check-up. That's all.

Thanks for your info.

AM2

asia monger,

go to http://www.bumrungrad.com/ in soi 3 for a check up. reading several of the hthreads here and seeing how thai hookers seem to think a bar of soap will cure them, perhaps we should see what islamic law has to say on the matter:

istabra (the process of cleaning the urethra)

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recommended and abominable acts

79. when a person enters the lavatory it is recommended (mustahab) that he should first place his left foot inside it and having covered his head he should sit at a place where no one can see him. it is also recommended that he should place the weight of his body on the left foot, and while leaving the lavatory he should first place his right foot.

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Safe Sex In Thailand.

What a name for a discussion board. Is there such a thing as safe sex in Thailand?

Question. Just came back from Thailand - all the girls seemed to love French kissing and all - what's the point of having condoms if her tongue was in my throat half the time?

What's the lowdown on this? Are you supposed to push her away (which I certainly didn't) or what? What's the scoop, guys?

I already heard from one respected member through PMs - I was wondering what's your take on this, guys.

Please let know folks, so that I don't make any mistakes during my next trip.

Thanks!

Cloud9 Seeker

I guess they expect that all farangs like it. I usually do not french kissing, she might be blooding when brushing her teeth and I might have eaten something crispy. Blood could be involved and I do not like that idea. Furthermore most of the girls do BBBJ and I do not know how long ago this has been. Disgusting imagination.

Keep kissing her on the lips but do not open up your mouth or tell her straight away why you do not like it. Every girl who I have explained it respected and even liked it. They feel much better and secure with a guy who is careful about HIV.

Traveler,

That puts things into perspective for me.

Thanks

Cloud9 Seeker

Even though it might be more enjoyable and fun, I would hesitate to french kiss any Thai bargirl.

During my first trips to LOS, I was surprised the girls were kissing like that also. I asked one girl if she kissed every man that barfined her. She got this really stupid look on her face and said, "if man pay for me, why can't I kiss him?".

Anyway, the reality is that 99% of Thai bargirls will do ANYTHING as long as your paying, and have absolutely no clue about diseases. Even though it's hard to resist when you're having a good time, you might want to think twice about kissing them.

Have you ever seen that shapeless bald headed freak Nigel that has a thai bargirl website where he's doing all kinds of things without any protection? Just think about your sweet little bargirl licking the dirty a-hole of that ugly bastard the night before she's french kissing you, and you'll be more careful from now on!

I once foolishly accepted a bbbj in Phuket from a really cute girl, and wound up with the worst case of Gonorrhea imaginable. It lasted two months and took all kinds of anti-biotics to get rid of. It just isn't worth the risk.

Dana - gonorrhea?? That is truly wild.

Will think twice about opening my mouth next time, that's for sure. They took the initiative and I happily obliged, but I will not engage in this next time.

Cloud9 Seeker,

<what's the point of having condoms if her tongue was in my throat half the time?>

You cannot be serious, can you ?

Why don't you go reading good advice from authoritative sources ? I suggest the CDC at www.cdc.gov .

As far as I know, French kissing is not such a high risk activity. But if you feel uncomfortable, just don't do it.

Seydlitz - I certainly checked out CDC. Did you?

This from yahoo/health: (http://health.yahoo.com/health/centers/hiv_aids/101)
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Q: Can HIV be spread through kissing?

A: Although studies have found tiny amounts of HIV in the saliva of some people with HIV, researchers have found no evidence that HIV is spread to other people through kissing. However, the CDC recommends against "French" or open-mouthed kissing because of the possibility of contact with blood if the people kissing have any cuts or sores in the mouth.
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So, yes, I am serious. Risk might be low, but being a newbie, I am wondering what other pundits choose to do and what the norm among fellow members is.

Realistically, kissing is not a high risk activity for STD transmission. Yes, you can get an STD if your partner and you have open sores and transmit blood to each other, and certainly you can transmit herpes, generally HPV1, that way, as well as Hep B (but of course all smart LOS mongers have had their Hep shots, right?) There are also possibilities of transmitting gonorrhea (though you'd have to have your tongue pretty much massaging her vocal chords) and syphilis (only in the early infective stages, and you'd generally see a sore on the lip) via kissing, but overall these and the other risks are low to the point that [i]most[/i] authorities consider kissing to be safe sex.

In the single case that documents HIV transmission via kissing, both partners had severe dental and gum problems, including canker sores, gingivitis, oral hairy leukoplakia, and periodontitis. So obviously, the circumstances in which HIV can be transmitted through kissing are rare. The CDC recommends against prolonged open-mouthed kissing with an infected partner based on this, but if you read the actual report where this case is documented you find the following "Although the exact route of transmission in this report cannot be determined, the [i]most likely possibility[/i] is that the woman became infected..." this way, and that "such exposure [i]may[/i] have occurred during "deep kissing." (My italics.) This is a couple that also had vaginal sex six times a month over the course of a year, had an incident of condom breakage, shared at times a razor and toothbrush, and seemed basically to be pretty haphazard about hygiene in general, so it's hard to put a huge amount of stock in the conclusions of the report regarding kissing, as the report itself notes that "other exposures to the man's blood or semen cannot be excluded." Basically, in other words, they don't exactly know, but they suspect this is how it happened, and the researchers certainly got a lot more attention from their conclusions this way than if they had decided that plain old sex had been the cause.

I say kiss away, unless you happen to be someone who's got severe dental problems, because the STD risks are nothing really to worry about. There are far more serious things with STDs on which to focus concern.

Joe Zop

even if the risk is low, it isn't ZERO.

Seydlitz

I feel uncomfortable with it. It's not just HIV. Would you kiss a BJ bar girl or one of Marc's chicks who also use to lick the customers a-holes ? I won't.

Take care

Traveler:


I would not kiss a BJ bar girl because I would not take one out. In the rare occasions (2 !) I have been to a BJ bar, it was for a BJ. The ladies there are good at what they do, but they are nothing to write home about, and not much to take home either.

Similarly, I would not kiss an Eden girl because I hate the place and its obnoxious owner, and would not be likely to be in physical contact with one.

So, in a nutshell, I do not feel uncomfortable with kissing a girl in general terms, but I am quite selective of my partners.

Anal rimming is an increasingly widespread practice in LOS, in massage parlours in particular (I routinely got it at Poseidon or Baron's for example), and a great thing to enjoy as the receiver. So it is not only Marc's ladies who lick customers a-holes, as you graphically put it :)

Anyhow, there is hardly any "dirty" sexual practice, provided that strict personal hygiene is enforced, as it is mostly the case among Thais. I am way more concerned by the potential presence of faecal colliforms on the hands of the cook preparing my meal in any restaurant, and not only in LOS for one, than on the tongue of a sex provider.

Considering that I only consort with young, clean, apparently healthy ladies, I reckon that the risk of getting infected by something serious is low enough compared to the enjoyment of French kissing.

However, I agree that intimate physical contact with a sexually promiscuous partner entails some level of risk, and I do understand and fully respect those like you who feel uncomfortable with kissing a P4P TG.

Cloud9 Seeker,

point well taken.

I meant that you cannot seriously mean that whatever risk created by a tongue in your mouth defeats the protective purpose of wearing a condom.

Forgive my being obsessive with the careful use of words in the context of safe sex, as old hands of this forum will testify, I am.

Seydlitz

that was only an example since we know each other and I remember your good taste and high standards regarding girls.

It's more the imagination that the girl just had a dick in her mouth or her tongue was close to body parts that should never even come close to my face than the real danger of getting infected. The girls are usually very clean but you do not know anything about the hygiene of the last few customers.

Take care

Guys (and Seydlitz):

Thanks for providing the feedback - I came to the conclusion that French kissing is rather low-risk, but care is still required. Next time, I will think twice before opening my mouth.

Seydlitz- in my week in Thailand, NOT ONCE have I picked a non-bar girl; they were all bar workers alright. I can see why you're as comfortable with the kissing as you say you are - unfortunately, due to the short-time visit, I only frequented the bars (and a MP).

Anal rimming in Thailand! How did I miss that?? Man, I must go back to Thailand - so many things to do and so little time. I wonder if the girls at Darling do anal rimming - do you just ask the manager of the MP which girl does it or what?

(Sorry for going off topic)

Thanks,

Cloudy

Traveler, the only zero STD-risk sexual activity is personal masturbation -- even with a condom you've still got some degree of risk. You are far, far more at risk with the use of multiple partners than from deep kissing someone, so none of us is exactly speaking from some high plane of absolute safety here.

Personally I don't have any big thing about kissing some woman because she might have sucked somebody's dick or whatever, as that's what I want her to do to me, and if I'm gonna be worried about it I'm basically going to end up with a sexual partner I find unsatisfying. The mouth tends to clean itself -- that's what saliva does -- so if she's been blowing or licking some gother guy in the last hour and she's not infected with the specific goodies I mentioned in the specific ways I mentioned, then there's little to worry about.

We've all got our particular areas of personal squeamishness, but that doesn't mean they're based in fact or logic.

Joe Zop

LOL, I want them to do the very same thing.
As I have already said, I am uncomfortable with the imagination of another dick in her mouth just a few hours/minutes ago. If you only see the scientific/medical point of view, congrats. I can't. Also like to avoid any unneccesary risk.

Cloud9 Seeker,

I do not like Darling too much, but last time I was there, I got anal rimming from the lady as a standard. No need to ask for it.

It is never sure that any particular lady will perform, and asking the papasan may be a good idea.

IMHO anal rimming is standard fare as a complement to BBBJ in massage parlors. If the lady does not do it on her own, then get her to lick your balls, push her head down and raise your butt. I am sure she will get the hint :)

Guys,

You want to talk about AR risks and other risks involved and the fact that a couple of minutes ago the same girl's mouth was sucking another guy's dick.

If you are familiar with the scene in China, the risks are even higher. It's like playing with fire. Really. No joke.

I believe that TGs have a reasonable level of knowledge about STD/AIDS so they know a bit more than those village girls in China.

Just my 2 cents, but don't shoot me down,

AM2

Seydlitz - gotcha.

Thanks for the heads up. Will do! ;-)

I just don't like kissing these girls because they all have rank breath. Even the hot ones. Seriously, that stuff thats lodged between their mossy teeth is a mixture of rotten thai food, plaque, sperm, and poo. I had to get this one chick to use mouthwash and it still didnt get rid of the smell.

I found that I was better off when I fucked the hotel receptionist and the waitress at a bar. I guess they have less partners, and less chance of stds. They also seemed to have marginally better dental hygene. Dudes, when you're paying them, give them a complimentary pack of floss to go along with it. Tell them that americans use it and they're sure to comply.

Stinky,

Couldn't disagree with you more! It looks like we have different experiences, but I had 5 girls during my week in LOS and (having kissed each one) not one's breath stank!

Hell, when I woke up one morning with a girl I barfined at mandarin (NEP) and she kissed - even then, her breath didn't stink (try kissing a caucasian chick in the morning - just the thought makes me sick).

The girl I barfined LT on Koh Samui actually carried a toothpaste in her purse.

I bought a few girls beer, so obviously, a few did smell, well, like beer, but what the hell, I guzzled many bottles of Singha myself, so it all sort of levelled off.

These girls might be a lot of things, but others sure have much to learn from them when it comes to hygiene.

Stinky,

I have no idea where you've been picking up your girls in Thailand, but I have never seen what you're talking about. In fact, quite the opposite. Every Thai girl I've ever met, even the poor country girls, have always taken care of their choppers.

Of course, there are probably a few older girls that sit around drinking all day long, opening up the bottles with their teeth, and then drinking gallons of cum every night before passing out, and then waking up the next morning and starting again without thinking about brushing their teeth. It gives me chills just thinking about it.

Adjarn

Well, we all have our own experiences. I was referring to the girls of sukhumvit road. Their lives seem to consist of eating thai food and licking mens butts, so... bad breath central.

I have read alot of reports of condom breaking in thailand. I discovered this japanese condom called kimono ultra thin. It is the closed thing I have found to nothing at all. I do worry because of the thinness it may break. Any of you guys out there have a condom break? If so what was your mistake so the rest of us can learn.

Thanks

I had a condom break last year with a girl from NP but I realized it pretty quickly and threw on another one. I don't think there's really any secret...just bring your own condoms if you're on the larger size.

As for girls with bad breath/hygiene, I was in Thailand for 2 months last year and never had a problem with this. In fact, one girl I was with for a couple weeks made it a point to deeply wash herself with an anti bacteria soap after every session.

If you truly had as bad of an experience as you say, maybe its time to graduate from the skanks walking Sukumvit.

Thai people in general are very clean. Thai women are sort of clean freaks. Every been to a Thai resaurant? Notice even if it is a lower end establishment, it's almost always spotless and clean. Thai people tend to bath quite regularly and frequently.

I have never encountered a nasty Thai girl, not in the real sense anyhow. I have had a few with yeast problems, but quickly booted them aside, but most come clean fresh and always bath before and after the encounter.

TANG~!

My two cents on the cleanliness issue - since I've been back here in the States all I encounter is the fishy pussy. Over there I never ran into that. The girls were always clean, even the high volume BB ones. Makes you wonder about how uneducated the average American working girl is.

On the food issue - I've never gotten even slightly ill in Asia. The food is so much better! Whenever I come back to the US I get a lot of digestive problems from stomach aches to diarhea. The food here is much, much less clean, and certainly a lot more processed and worse for you than in Thailand.

I definitely agree that Thai gals mostly do not stink. Most of them have very clean pussy and breath. But be careful after they eat sontam. This thing is full of spices, garlic, raw crabs and the mouth wash do not clear the smell away for hours and hours. I had experiences a few times with gals who just finished whole plate of their yammy sontam. When you try to kiss them you are like eating sontam yourselves.

RCA Knight,

I do eat sumtam all the time. Delicious stuff. However its better not to get a BJ for a good hour after a girl eats it.

RCA Knight

The smell of somtam isn't a big prob, but the chili is, especially if you get a BBBJ :(

I don't feel like graduating beyond the bar skanks. I prefer this kind of seedy atmosphere (although I returned with the clap). T'was my condom that snapped. I'm kind of a grinder so its bound to happen.

How about you guys, anybody ever contract anything. How common is aids there anyway? I'm dreading the return of my bloodtest.

Somtam and Thai BBQ work both ways - had a girl ask me if I had eaten the Thai BBQ during a DATY session. SORT OF NEED TO BE NICE TO THEM, TOO.

Stinky: Interesting posts. I find most of these women, those who have teeth that is, generally have good teeth. This seems to hold throughout SE Asia. Floss is a very alien concept to these women. I found it hard to buy floss n Vietnam and I had to go to a pharmacy to get it (no luck in supermarkets or market stalls).

Lots of guys find the concept of kissing or eating out yellow pack hookers revolting. Others, of course, get off on less than hygienic "showers". As they say in Lancashire, there ain't nowt as strange as people.

Yes, Lancashire; wise words indeed. Those yellow gals with their pert bottoms and supple flesh, you cant have it all. Personally after a night on the sauce I'll go in for a good snog, but I never, AND I MEAN NEVER, have gone down below. I don't mean to offend some of the more sensitive members, but it just makes me think of period blood mixed with coffee. Nadda.

I'm fully aware that the poor things actually do brush their teeth, but they just don't know all of the modern techniques. I suppose next time, I'll put her down on my lap and school her in modern oral hygene: a proper thorough brushing (up from the gums; not side to side), followed by a few minutes to let the fluoride take effect. Then a gentle but thorough floss - paying close attention to the areas that seem to be bleeding. And then, to finish it all off, a nice alcohol-free, sensitive system, mouth rinse. Thats thirty seconds of swishing between the teeth, across the tongue, and finishing with a good gargle.

Okay. Safe sex in Thailand? How?

So I hear that Durex Maximums are the shit. What about durability during the friction slide?

Is it also true you can still get STDs from their cum juice where your rubber ends? Yikes!

Anyone know of someone to get hep from oral sex?

I know, lots of questions....just curious

Ouch Me,

Durex N11 are ever lasting. None ever broke when I used them - and I used up a lot by now:). I always use lube as well, just to be sure.

Hep B and C are sexualy contractable. Both badly fuck up your liver and that is bad news. Shots to protect you from Hep A+B are available. Rubbers keep both Hep B and C out.

If you happen to make a squirter with a nasty infection cum you could be in trouble and catch it too:(. Solution: Make sure she doesn't cum:D!

<<On the food issue - I've never gotten even slightly ill in Asia. The food is so much better! Whenever I come back to the US I get a lot of digestive problems from stomach aches to diarhea. The food here is much, much less clean, and certainly a lot more processed and worse for you than in Thailand.>>

I've had just the opposite experience. Three trips to Thailand and every time I get some kind of intestinal infection. I'm not sure what causes it, I'm careful to only drink bottled water and no ice in my drinks but 3 times I've been sick accomanied by a fever. Antibiotics cleared it up but I still wasn't feeling good for about a week.
In spite of this problem I can't wait to go back again.

Gwailo

Food in Thailand seems OK to me (never got sick - and I eat "pet pet") - but I sure got food poisoning in June in Cambodia. I think next time I won't have lobster. (on the beach)

Yeah, stay clear of shellfish in general. Even if you don't catch any of the myriad nasties they host (salmonella, ciguatera, e coli, dinoflagellates), you still might find yourself with just about the worst case of the shits you can imagine. After a prawn soup in Hua Hin, I BARELY made it back to my hotel before that meal exploded out the other end. I was fine immediately thereafter, but it was very painful and unpleasant.

Keep in mind that places like Chaweng, Phuket and Hua Hin are situated in shallow, warm bodies of water with slow currents. Given the amount of agricultural runoff from upland farms and the coliform bacteria from treated sewage that pretty much goes directly into the Gulf and the Andaman Sea, it's a matter of time before those shrimp come back to haunt you. Generally speaking, the fish is all right since its caught farther from land than most of the shellfish, and they aren't bottom feeders.

I can agree with that. Or can I? The only places I'll eat that stuff is at five star resorts, but I still came down with a mild case or the poos. But then how can I turn down another sea food platter? Mine wasn't painful, I just became a little more frequent for a few days, and it wasn't severe enough to interfere with my drinking schedule. I did, however, get a littler nervous one night when an 800 baht/long time girl was licking my ass.

But seriously, who knows where I got it from? Was it from that glass of water that girly boy gave me that morning? Was it from drinking singha out of cans? Was it the bugs in the slurpy machine at 7-11?

I'm more interested in how my p.p. turned a painful pink colour at the end and started dripping puss when I was using dubes the whole time. Anyway, if you come down with the clap, I recommend neurofen (extra strong) till the antibiotics kick in. You won't even feel it. Also, make you sure you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] standing up or it burns.

I mean, all you can do is use rubbers, and drink bottled water, (and stay away from shellfish I guess). But lets be realistic, if you want to hang out in the jungle, you're at risk, and you'll just have to cross your fingers.

Anyone try dipping their cock in vodka after a session? I heard it works well in eastern europe.

When were you using dubes? Only with intercourse or even with BJs? You can get STDs from BJs also, such as herpes and genital warts. Damn these STDs suck. But they're here to stay.

As hard as it'll be, I'm planning on using condoms during oral sex as well as everything else, plus I don't plan on any deep kissing. I know it'll really take out the fun and spontaneity. Shit, it's going to be esp. tough when we shower and she wants to start sucking me or me to her!

Oral sex is my favorite too. Oh well. Can't take life time chances on a few hours of pleasure.

What do you mean "or me her?"

You eat out Bangkok *****s? That's disgusting.

Stinky

"Anyone try dipping their cock in vodka after a session?"

That question brings back very old memories. Long ago my condom once broke, so I pulled out immediately and looked out for some desinfection. Nothing else handy but a bottle of Mekhong. Put it over my best part and I can tell you it fucking burns. :( Avoid it if possible. Since that time I always carry some Betaisodonna with me.

Hi Gentlemen,

Which are the diseases we can take with a not-covered bj? I would like to know your points of view. Cause i hear for example risk about herpes,but how much is this risk? Do you think or it is scientific risk that also doctors agree? Or better how many girls have herpes in mouth? My little opinion is very high risk for every disease in sex without rubber,but very little risk with not-covered bj,but probably i am a little ignorant about it,so i am here to learn what i dont know or what i know wrong. Thanks all!

The traveller,

Please what is "betaisodonna"?

Lukasek,

I believe you mean what diseases and the risks of BJs w/o a condom? Well, many of course, especially in Thailand. I recently read in LOS travel guide that they adjust their population stats some %age due to mortality rates from AIDS! And how accurate do you think Thai health stats are going to be? The stats they have are just the reported or known cases. There's probably hundreds more that are unreported! Yikes!

The thing with most STDs is you usually don't see it with your naked eyes (or dicks). So, if you inspect the BGs mouth before she blows you and it looks clear, you're fooling yourself. By the time herpes makes itself visible in their mouth with those little bumpy protrusions, she's REALLY infected. She could be infected and not show those bumps yet, they're just not visible, but still very contagious. AND the fucked up thing with herpes is its not curable, you just itch, have burning [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], and occasional discharges for the rest of your life. THAT SUCKS!

AND to top it off, it is still possible to contract HIV via oral sex, just not as likely as through intercourse. HIV only needs a portal of entry, like a membrane or broken skin. Her mouth is a perfect breeding ground for lots of germs...warm, moist, dark. Just like a girls little wet pussy.

Then there's also HPV. It's really not so bad for us men. We'll get little bumps on our Joes, nothing painful. But when we screw a girl, she gets infected, she'll likely only find out if she has a + pap smear, has to get the lesion or growth frozen or cauterized, but remains at higher risk for cervical cancer and urinary tract infections. So, if you get it, carry it back to your unsuspecting girlfriend or wife (or future gf/wife, what will you tell her?), then you and her are doomed. HPV also has no cure, just remission as with herpes.

So, cover up out there. Think with the head on your shoulders, not the one in the pants. It makes no sense to me to risk your lifetime for a few hours of pleasure!!!!

Wow, so many of the BGs and plenty of porn stars are walking germ specimens. Yikes again.

Holy shit, thats scary stuff.

Does that answer your questions?

Betadyne (or betadine) a modified iodine that doesn't "burn" when applied. Highly effective antiseptic, though - but it DOES stain brown

Hep C, while theoretically possible to get sexually is really not transmitted that way. It is almost entirely transmitted via blood. Hence it's why so many IVDA get it. All the strains of Hepatitis are pretty different. There are like 7 of them out there now (maybe more since I last checked).

Lukasek. It's difficult to assign absolute risk. The best we are doing is a poor guess. There are diseases that are relatively hard to get, esp by a bj. You can get oral to genital transmission of Herpes and in fact it has been proven that viral shedding occurs even when a person doesn't have symptoms (although the greatest chance occurs when s/he has those little clear bumps that are breaking with rich viral juice).

HOWEVER, it is also true that unless you are a monk, you have probably been exposed to Herpes multiple times. You kissing a chick, you going down on a chick, she going down on you, etc etc. Once you get it, you can't get rid of it.

Gonorrhea , you are not going to get going down unless you are already immunocompromised. Almost every case of oropharyngeal gonorrhea (of the throat) is due to someone already having a weakened immune system (like AIDS).

Genital warts largely transmitted by genital to genital contact, although it can be spread by other skin contact. You can get molluscum on your face, arms, you name it, but I've never seen it anywhere but the groin. You have to burn those fuckers off or use a chemical like Podophyllin. There is a new one called Aldara (I believe) that activates your own immune system to kill the viri. Molluscum unlike Herpes will go away on it's own, but it might take YEARS (who wants to wait?).

The reason being is that your oral mucosa is designed to fight infection. Easy to see why, no? There are cellular components present in your mouth that don't exist anywhere else. So unless you have a break, or really bad gum disease the chances are low. There is always a risk, no one can say never, but for me, I just dont enjoy a BJ with a rubber and with certain chicks I like DATY too much (and they do too) to give it up.

The sum total of STD's I think I ever had was one. I had some questionable burning after one trip where I stupidly boned like three chicks sans condom. I didn't go in for the smear. Just did the Cipro/Azithro combo (although some strains of Gon in Asia are Cipro resistant) and it went away. If I am banging away too much for too long I just get some local irritation that is not infectious.

The lavage method of Betadine, Alcohol whatever I sort of pooh-poohed but a microbiologist buddy of mine turned my thinking around on that a bit. But really dipping your wick only gets part of the outer urethra (the inner part of your crank). You really need to get something like a small bulb syringe and squirt that stuff up and let it dribble out. I'm not prepared to go through that, but there are some dudes that do.

Anything really that lowers your viral/bacterial 'load' (amount of whatever nasty you are exposed to) lowers your risk. Therefore even doing something like pissing after sex is not all that unreasonable, but will never afford you the protection of a condom.

Joe, not to be antagonistic, but the real reason Condoms are not 100% are almost all due to breakage. The people either had them and didn't use them or kept boning once they broke. Maybe that's what you meant and I'm sorry if I misunderstood (and if you don't know what I'm referring to, sorry I went back a few pages as I check in here every few months).

Again you get back to viral/bactierial load. While there are small amounts of viri/bacteria that can get through a condom (and it's very small) with very vigorous activity your exposure is so low that your chances are greatly reduced. Not zero but pretty damn close.

And before someone starts in on that old chestnut 'but the HIV virus is smaller than the latex pores' let me lay that one in the intellectual grave it deserves. HIV does not infect solo. It has to piggyback on other cells to infect you and these are far larger than the latex pores.

If you want to wrap yourself in latex you will probably have a safe time. A great time? No, but a safe one.

I think each one of us should make an educated guess (and educated means doing a lot more research than asking your buds on WSG what they think!!). For me, I am going to engage mostly in covered sex (unless I check it out first), kissing , DATY etc. There are just some acts that by their absence really kill the intimacy, which is why I travel 24 hours in a plane instead of banging my local streetwalker.

Now, anal rimming. Ugh. Ditto for anal sex. Nasty shit, literally. Some of the worst, most drug resistant bacteria reside up your ass. It's why when you get shot or stabbed in the gut it's not the wound that kills you, it's all the horrible bacteria that spill into your gut.

One post about Condom breakage. The real reason most condoms break is not the thinness of the condom.

The mortal enemies of condoms are time, heat and friction (light also but how they are packaged takes care of that). Usually dudes that have condoms break have not stored them properly (the worst example being the poor sap that stores one in his wallet 'just in case' ). If you want to keep them fresh, keep them cool.

The other thing is, use lube if she's not juiced up. I haven't had a condom break in freaking years, and the time I remember I was with a particularly unenthusiastic partner and I sort of remember just banging away. I was thinking "damn, this chick is dry!!" and bam, condom broke.

I also pretty much buy my supply of condoms for my trip and then buy about half again what I think I'll need. I really have trouble with them and about the only ones that work for me are made of polyurethane (like Trojan Supra). That stuff blows latex away. I think it has more to do with how it transmits heat than how thin it is, although obviously thickness has a good deal to do with heat transmission as well.

One of the best tips I heard was when someone recommended putting a drop of lube in the tip of the condom before you put it on. Damn, that really helps too!!

I remember one sad day when I ran out of jimmies in Pattaya 3 freaking days before I was set to leave. Here I am begging for a good condom from my fellow travellers. Now I just don't like the selection of condoms in Thailand (about as varied as the selection of beer there). So imagine my surprise when a marine gave me one of the govt issued ones. Fucking a, they REALLY don't like those guys to enjoy sex do they? I would have gotten more sensation by wrapping a Michelin around my crank.

Poobah, I agree wholeheartedly that the reasons condoms are not 100% is because of breakage (or other forms of incorrect usage.) That was, in fact, precisely my point.

And like you I've not had a condom break for years, and I use the precise approach you do. I'd go further and say that even if you've got a condom that's been stored incorrectly, the right kind and amount of lube (meaning water-based) will probably still keep it from breaking.

I follow a very simple, painless practice which helps me to at least FEEL safer. And I think it does protect me somewhat.

After sex, I [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and take a shower, carefully washing my dick and the surrounding area with soap and hot water. While in the shower, I also take out my trusty bottle of hydrogen peroxide and liberally wash my dick (with special attention to the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] hole) with this inexpensive, antiseptic solution. No burning, not expensive, not time consuming.

So far, no STDs, no problems at all.

Dear Gentlemen,

First of all my thanks for all yours answers!

I think I was a little naive, cause as most of italians my friends I had some cold-smart-proud italian girls and nothing more and it is only few years I started to spend better my juice LOL and to have better fun travelling to monger.

I always thought it was enough to use condom during sex, and not during BJ, to avoid 99% of the risks of sexual diseases, now I see I had big luck. I was in almost every state of east europe, in russia and in brasil, (where I broke the one and the only condom in all my life in few minutes cause during anal I used vaselina, I knew oil-based not good but it gave me the owner of night club together towels and condoms.) still not in Thai, but surely I will.

In your opinion how to compare the risks of sexual disease in Russia, Thai and for example Argentina? Where the highest?

Ouch me: yes you answered me totally, I knew partly what you wrote and I still wonder that seems to be two kind of world, one real word full of risks of sex-disease and the second where most of the friends of mine that use to have sex without and seems nobody never took nothing, even if surely who took disease is shy to speak about it, at least in old-mentality-church closed-italian-mentality-head about sex. What are HPV?

Dinghy: did you use betadyne sometimes? Or only read about it and I guess its use on penis?

Poobah: "I just don't enjoy a BJ with a rubber and with certain chicks I like DATY too much (and they do too) to give it up. "

I am TOTALLY agree with you, I have your same point of view about it. unluckily!

In brasil I had local irritation for a few days, 11 women in 23 days for me was too much. I was used to have 2 or 3 italians girls at year LOL, and I thought I took some disease cause I broke condom, so when I comeback I did "tampone uretrale" (sorry I don't know it in english) tests, 5 tamponi-HELL-of-pain, however I had nothing but I definetly think is inside uretra that bactery goes and give infection and not around glandes, so probably betadyne only make our blame little smaller, if we had BJ or sex uncovered, but it doesn't really help against diseases.

I totally agree also with you about to make personal research, about absence of acts kill intimacy, I think that if I will sit down for hours riding in car or waiting in plane, then I want at least taste BJ without, but surely sex with, even if I will do it much LESS frequently than before read all your answers!

Sorry I don't know what is "anal rimming"? And I don't understand your sentences about it, please could you explain it?

One more time, many thanks.

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It is also advisable to put some water-based lubricant, such as KY, on your tool before you cover it with the condom.

This has the following 2 advantages:

1. It increases greatly the sensation of pleasure during penetration –it is the closest I’ve ever seen to bareback sex.

2. It reduces the internal friction between the latex and your tool and as a result the chance of a breakage will be even more remote.

Poobah,

Are you in the medical field? Sounds like you know your shit. You are mostly in agreement with things I said. However, I'm not sure about your last explanation on herpes and repeated exposures. Are you implying that most of us have already been exposed orally to herpes and are just not showing symptoms yet? If so, then we (those of us that do oral sex) are all carriers even though asymptomatic, correct? Further, does that mean that we can begin to show symptoms some time down the road?

Herpes is not fun for sure, I mean no STD is. But herpes has no cure, spreads easily, and just makes you miserable. I hate this fact, esp since, like most of us out there, I love to eat raw fish! There's nothing like the taste, feel, and sound of a girl enjoying herself with my tongue action.

Shed some more light on this please. I'm very interested. I can resist some of the BJs to lessen my risk, but I find it REALLY hard not to eat fish with some beauty spread eagle in front of me.

That was a good point about the friction to the inside. Never thought of that!

Much thanks of all of you answer me! It seems I was a little naive.

Ouch me: Thank you guy for your long answer, but I don't know what is HPV? I have to say that i always had covered sex and only with bj I try to have it uncovered and until now i was in east europe, Russia and Brasil and never in Thai, where it seems to exists more risks? In, I hope, near future I hope to Thai too, now the fly from Italy are 350 euro with return.

Poobah:as you I had irritation local, after many garota in Brasil in few days, in that occasion I broke one rubber cause in night I use the one lub i found there, it was vaseline, yeah I know oil-based lubrificant. Never use it! It broke condom in 1-2 minutes! I came back home and i did tampon uretral, 5 hell of pain, only cause I had irritation cause different food, much alcool, much women, I took nothing luckily and yet now after one year no problem. However now i always covered sex and try to have not covered bj, even if now surely less than before read this reports of us because I totally agree with you that the absence of some acts kill the intimacy and if I travel so far when in Italy I can have SW for 30 euro, from Russia and all east europe. Is cause I would like ot have GFE and in my case means with not covered bj.

What is anal rimming?

I hope this post will be pubblicated,

Thanks!

Luca

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Lukasek,

There is no "pretty" way to say this. Anal rimming, is basically licking someone's asshole. This is also called "tossing the salad". IMHO, this is very dangerous except in a long-standing monogomous relationship. I would never consider performing this on a provider, but some providers will perform this on you (often negotiated in advance).

Luego

Scotty Monger thanks,

I did many times anal rimming when i lick her down without knew the name and i also think that good bj must have anal rimming. I didn't think it is so dangerous and if it is, why do you think not dangerous in monogamus relationship? I think bacterya are in every ass LOL. So you mean you can take infections if you lick for few minutes the ass of your woman, even if you lick the ass out and obviously not put the tongue inside it? Once more thanks!

Luca

You guys can wash your [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] holes with antiseptic all you want but for us uncercumicized assholes the HIV enters via that tender little inch beneath the forskin because it has no layer of keratin. Always wear a condom. And, even if youre drunk, careful when you take it off so you dont get her **** slime on your PP. Also, dont roll around in the sack with her if shes all wet and slimy. AND KEEP SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT ORAL HYGENE.

Lukasek

Betaisodona is an antiseptic The agent is a Poly(1-vinyl-2-pyrrolidon)-iodine-complex or in short PVP-Iodine. It's available as a salve, liquid soap and vaginal antiseptic.

The vaginal antiseptic is applicated with some sort of plastic bottle which you have to squeeze and turn around at the very same time. I used that stuff during my first years when HIV was still no prob and it probably protected me from some nasty diseases.

I remember that two friends of mine and me once went to Happy World in Bang Saen. That day we picked 17 girls in total. Since I had been there before some girls already knew me and also the oncoming procedure. They also promoted it to the other girls. I used to tell them that I was an ongoing doctor and that I will examine them for free. That was a picture, 17 naked girls lining up to get a free rinse by Doc Traveler :D

The Traveler,

Great great! You remind me when I was used to play with the girl lived in the house in front house of my grandmother to doctor and patient, but she was only one woman, I can only imagine how it was exiting that game for you! Great idea really.

Thanks for info on Betaisodona.

This was reporeted at Reuters on 10.19.2004:

CHAIYAPHUM - A one-legged German, accused of trying to infect nearly 100 teenage girls with HIV through unprotected sex, last night launched a tirade of abuse against Thai women, calling them "witches" and "monkeys".

Hans-Otto Schiemann, a 56-year-old former sailor from Schweinfurt in Bavaria, has become a figure of hate in northeastern Thailand, with posters plastered across the town of Chaiyaphum warning young women not to have sex with him.

Since Thailand has no laws dealing with people who deliberately infect others with the Aids virus, prosecutors have charged him only with immigration offences.

"Thai women are bad. Thai women are witches and they're monkeys," he told reporters outside the provincial court in Chaiyaphum, 340km northeast of Bangkok.

Residents say Schiemann, who has been in Thailand for much of the past decade, offered students aged from 15 to 17 around 4000 baht ($140) for sex as part of a campaign of vengeance against Thai women, whom he blames for his own HIV infection.

Sura Wisedsak, of the provincial health office, said that according to Schiemann's wife as many as 90 women had been deliberately exposed to HIV. If their other sexual partners were taken into account, the number of victims could be as high as 500.

Schiemann, who refused a prison blood test to confirm his HIV status, admitted he had HIV but said he had done nothing wrong, and had merely been an attractive figure in the relatively impoverished region because of his wealth.

He accused his Thai wife, Jiraporn Paktaku, who has Aids, of being part of a campaign to get him kicked out of the country. He is charged with overstaying a month-long tourist visa. The case has been adjourned until November 15.

The German Version Can be read here:
[url]http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2004/10/19/thai-maedchen/thai-maedchen__s__ex__seppel.html[/url]

I am in the LOS about every 4 months for about 1 week. Does anyone know where you can get a VD check up to see if you picked up anything. I got gonnorea one time and didn't find out until I got back to the US about 2 weeks latter. Still don't know who gave it to me.

[QUOTE=Member #2745]I am in the LOS about every 4 months for about 1 week. Does anyone know where you can get a VD check up to see if you picked up anything. I got gonnorea one time and didn't find out until I got back to the US about 2 weeks latter. Still don't know who gave it to me.[/QUOTE]

There are quite a lot of clinics advertising both tests for HIV and other VD along sukhumwit and everywhere in pattaya. The quality of these clinics can vary a great deal.

Your best shot would be to visit one of the bigger hospitals and get your test done there. In bangkok i can recmend bumrungrad - [url]http://www.bumrungrad.com/[/url] . Very good also by western standard, cheap compared to the west but expensive by thai standards.

In pattaya the bangkok - pattaya hospital seems to have the best reputation - [url]http://www.bph.co.th/pages/main.html[/url] .

Compared to the rest of south east asia thailand have got top notch healthcare - if you have to money to pay for it.

Does anybody try Kamagra Oral Jelly ?
It is a liquid gel selled in BKK and in Pattaya as single dose containing 5 mg. of Sildenafil Citrate equivalent to Sildafenil 100 mg wich is the same component of Viagra.It comes from India and should be the gel's version of Viagra,faster with less side effect.
I've founded Kam. for 100 bath.Personally I've tried it and ..yes it works faster but it seems to be not so stronger than the original Viagra from Pfizer.:confused:

Where can I get a one day HIV test in Thailand (for the hooker that I want to do)? About how much?

What about Viagra? Where can it be bought if I want to have an over the top experience?

Please send all replies to my private message box.

Clandestine

Do a short forum search and you will find lots of info regarding those two issues.

Anyway, Viagra and the like can be bought in most pharmacies. Almost all along Sukhumvit have it.

I recommend the Bumrungrad in BKK and the PIC hospital in Pattaya for a HIV test which will set you back around 1000-1500 baht.
A test might give some sort of quite doubtful "security". Do you intend to go bareback after a negative test of your lady of the night ?
If yes, you must be crazy. As you might know, the test will only detect antibodies, not the virus itself. So being tested negative doesn't mean to be HIV free. If she got infected less than three months ago the test still might be negative but she is already carrying the virus.
Better be safe than sorry and ALWAYS wear a raincoat.

Clandestine:

1. Also, pay a bit more and get all the hepatitis tests done.
2. The Traveller is right in his advice.
3. Advice like this belongs on the public forum, not in your private mailbox.

Clandestine

Domino's hint is worth to think about, there are more dangers than just HIV.
Even though many people have had Hepatitis A without knowing - cause no symptoms at all - a Hep. B or C infection is nothing you would like to bring home. No alcohol and a special diet without spice and fat for several months is just the smallest prob.
Let's not forget one of the oldest VDs, syphilis. The prob with it is, that the first symptoms aren't serious and often misinterpreted. The virus may rest for years and even decades but without appropriate treatment at the right time it will be back and do great damage.
So again, NEVER go uncovered and try to avoid any unnecessary contact with body fluids of any kind !

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4032699.stm[/url]

This HIV article has some good links for anyone interested.

The hepatitis tests take a day longer to get the results. Sinking your dick into these women is playing Russian Roulette. I am off to the casino now. Update will follow when next I cross the bridge.

Hi All,

Just wondering if anyone has some current information regarding tpyical Viagra or Kamagra prices in Bangkok (Sukhumvit Area). I have not read anything new for a while.

Thanks,

Dedalus

Dedalus,

I bought it only once to give it a try, had to pay 600 for some indian stuff in a pharmacy in soi 23, just behind the 7-11. Viagra was somewhat more expensive, around 1000+ as far as I remember.

I would rather invest the money in a better looking girl or someone with great attitude and skills or both, this is my "Viagra" :D

Traveler,

Much obliged. Your last point is a valid one.

Dedalus

From CNN's web-site:

"One in 60 people out of the country's population of 62 million are infected with HIV. About one in 10 of those are between the ages of 15 and 24".

Scary stuff.

this from the ap:

rutgers researchers may have stopped hiv

pirep001away, n.j. — researchers at rutgers university have developed a trio of drugs they believe can destroy hiv, the virus that causes aids, according to a published report.

the drugs, called dapys, mimic the virus by changing shape, which enables them to interfere with the way hiv attacks the immune system.

tests conducted in conjunction with johnson and johnson have shown the drug to be easily absorbed with minimal side effects. it also can be taken in one pill, in contrast to the drug cocktails currently taken by many aids patients.

“this could be it,” stephen smith, the head of the department of infectious diseases at saint michael's medical center in newark, said. “we're all looking for the next class of drugs.”

a research team led by rutgers chemist eddy arnold pre-published details of the most promising of the three drugs, known as r278474, last month in the electronic edition of the journal of medicinal chemistry. full details will be published in the journal in early 2005.

dr. arnold, 47, has worked at dismantling the aids virus over the last 20 years. he uses x-ray crystallography, a technique to determine the structure of molecules, the smallest particles that can retain all the characteristics of an element or compound.

the research has targeted reverse transcriptase, a submiscroscopic protein composed of two coiled chains of amino acids. it is considered hiv's key protein.

“reverse transcriptase is very important in the biology of aids,” dr. smith said. “if you can really inhibit reverse transcriptase, you can stop aids.”

the optimism about r278474 stems from its potential to interfere with an enzyme that the virus needs to copy and insert itself into a human cell.

“we're onto something very, very special,” dr. arnold said.

dr. arnold established his lab at rutgers' center for advanced biotechnology and medicine in 1987. his current 30-member research team is partnered with johnson and johnson subsidiaries janssen pharmaceutica and tibotec-virco nv.

an important advancement in dr. arnold's research came in 1990 when belgian scientist paul janssen was added to the collaboration. dr. janssen, considered a drug pioneer, published a paper that year that described a new drug that blocked reverse transcriptase but caused resistant strains of the virus to pop up too quickly.

dr. janssen sought out dr. arnold, who used crystallography to detail the structure of rt. their work ultimately led to the rt inhibitors.

“we may eventually win the war against hiv/aids. that would be an extremely rewarding and satisfying outcome,” dr. arnold said.

Hello guys,

I do not want to spoil anyone's gusto but some very basic reserach about HIV and STD's was enough to scare the shit out of me.

I always had condom during sex but does any veteran over here came across any data showing the probability of getting HIV through oral sex? does DFK have any risk?

These questions might seem stupid, should have thought about the consequances before doing the act and I will have the test to be sure but there is this 3 month period that you should wait. It is too long to spend worrying.

I will appreciate your comments.

Thank you

Atre

I've RTFF :)

From what I know, you cannot contract HIV from a BJ but you can get other less damaging STD's... I think.

But always, always use a good quality condom for fucking.

juice

Contracting HIV from a BBBJ is extremely unlikely, it’s like being struck by lightning, but as you know some people are actually struck by lightning now and then.

The risk appears when your hired mouth has open sores or a bleeding area (by the teeth, lips or wherever).

I remember one occasion in the Sacred City of Pattaya when, after a long BBBJCIM, the Beach Road worker took a towel and wiped millions of spermatozoa from her mouth. When she left the towel I noticed some small red stains on it, I asked her what it was and she pointed to her lower lip: I looked at it and it was bleeding slightly. The BBBJCIM had been so long that her lip had started to bleed! She had been blowing me bareback while her blood was coming out!

I knew that had been a high-risk experience and there was the chance of contracting HIV as well as other less serious shits.

Anyway, this was a few years ago and all my regular STD tests since then have been fine.

I keep enjoying BBBJ’s as usual, because after all we only live once.

Atreides75, the real worry with BBBJ is not HIV, which as the previous two replies have noted is something an extremely low probability in this instance, but with genital herpes, gonorrhea, and genital warts (among other things) which can all be contracted via oral sex. All of these except for herpes are also relatively low in probability, but they definitely can still happen, as I will personally attest, having gotten the clap from a LOS BBBJ.

Did you get a refund from the girl that gave you the clap?

:D

juice

LOL, unfortunately, I was elsewhere by the time the affliction became apparent, as is generally the nature of these little things.

Besides, from a contractual perspective, one could say she gave all she promised, she just gave a little more than was desired...

Yep, she sure gave you all she "had" :)

juice

Actually, I heard that if you simply cross your fingers while you have sex you really wont catch any diseases.

Just a tip.

sukhumvit, one big nightlife and prostitution area?

sukhumvit has long been housing nana plaza, soi cowboy and thermae about right in the middle between the other two main entertainment areas. beerbars at nana plaza in front of the ground floor a-go-go bars are the rule, and soi zero under the highway has been around also for quite a few years now(though never very successful)

about two years ago clinton plaza, close to thermae, became a major attempt at creating another a-go-go entertainment place, located just 50 meters from sukhumvit road, in a prime location. however, due to 'legal' problems and a tendency by bar managers to charge high prices, it never really took off, and remains a secondary venue.

the last couple of years also saw the development of a beerbar area close to soi cowboy on the corner between asoke road and sukhumvit road. various sections of the rather large area are known as asoke plaza, and asoke corner. an (in) famous bar called [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], apparently specializes in 'deep throat' like activities.

just recently on the opposite side of the road from thermae, at so called sukhumvit square a new assortment of beer bars are developing. sukhumvit square started of as an agglomerate of shops selling various thai art and handicrafts. probably the shops did not make enough money to pay the rent, and developing a new area for the girls to ply their trade, seemed to be a solution for that problem. quite a few larger sized bars there, mostly in open air, with some attractive girls.

this proliferation of beerbars and also of 'traditional thai massage' places, certainly has something to do with the economic crisis that developed in the years following 1997. on the other hand, more and more tourists are coming to thailand, creating a enlarging market for prostitution in various forms.

what is certainly new the last few years is active freelancer activity throughout central sukhumvit. girls are 'available' in front of robinson department store, close to ambassador hotel, and on the other side of the road, in front of pacific place (close to landmark hotel). furthermore, quit a few girls take up position in the evening and night, between soi 3 and soi 5 (soi foodland). when walking at night in between soi cowboy and nana plaza, it is quite impossible for male wanderers, not to get various propositions. katoeys are around close to nana intersection and in front of ambassador (there is a narrow passage in between ambassador entrance and a tourist information kiosk, where a lot of them are located). at night some of them seem to prefer the pedestrian bridge crossings. watch out for your wallet!

the foodland area at night has become a place where quite few unsavory characters hang out, including prostitutes, pimps, mobile telephone 'operators' etc.

all in all, central sukhumvit road, in between nana plaza and soi cowboy, a stretch of road about 1.5 km long, has become one large entertainment area with lots of beerbars and freelance prostitutes. it is quite puzzling why the development of a freelance market is being tolerated by the authorities, especially in view of the crackdown on other parts of the entertainment scene (go-go bars at nana plaza in particular). for sure sukhumvit is becoming an area of low grade criminality. hopefully this development does not go much further. unfortunately, police in bangkok have a habit of either driving around on motorcycles or directing traffic (or sitting in the traffic control boxes). not much walking around, checking out the area. just a few policemen walking down the sidewalk of sukhumvit, would do wonders in controlling the illegal activities going on there.

besides the description above it has to be noted that pornographic material is widely displayed and available on the sidewalk. while certainly illegal, there seems to be no enforcement fo the law.

nottinon,

no criticism intended but where did you copy that article from ?
it's quite outdated, the bar area at asoke corner is (almost) gone, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] isn't there anymore, it moved to soi 8 and clinton is history as well, just the bars in front are still there the part in the back is closed or gone too

btw, lots of police in civil clothes in the suk area. they mostly target drugs but will arrest pickpockets as well if they can catch one (only at night, during day time it seems to be too hot :()

[QUOTE=The Traveler]Nottinon,

no criticism intended but where did you copy that article from ?
[/QUOTE]

If do a search on Google, or other search engines, and include a whole sentence enclosed in quotes, it will bring up a hit in many cases.

In this case, it brought up this site:

[url]http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/articles.asp[/url]

I have been coming to sukumvit area for some 25 years at least 3 times a year, what you are describing is about 3 years old, back then you could walk from grace hotel soi3 up to ambassador hotel ,pass some 100 russian girls and many more thail girls all freelancing and some thai girls with momason. grace was full of freelancers from 24:00 to 04:00 hrs. also, chinatown area was full of girls in afternoon, A crackdown begain by thaksin some 5 months before apec The plain cloths cops would help round up the girls, take them to police station demand money for release, the stuoid girls would claim they need to work here to pay for baby moma etc, same story they us guys.. (thaksin wanted to convince foreign business men that bangkok had no street walkers?.) the crack down continued but not as fierce after apec. I was here in december 04 , there was police activity then I left for pp day before tsunami, came back in january for 2 weeks and I saw no police activity. I just came back this week and I here the police haven't been around for a while so I think it took a tsunami for thaksin to realize thailand needs the sex industry.

Gentlemen (if such exist): Plese ocnvey this news to any loose ladies of your acquaintance. I do not want them losing their teeth, even though I am partial to bbbjs by toothless wonders. A concerned John T Domino

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/4335939.stm[/url]
Lip piercings 'can shrink gums'
Having a lip piercing is bad for the gums and can make them shrink back from the teeth, dentists warn. The longer people wear the piercing, the worse the recession is, researchers from Ohio State University in the US found - in a study of 58 young adults.

The British Dental Association reported in its official journal in 2003 of the same risk with tongue piercings. Oral piercing - a trend growing in popularity - can cause life-threatening infections and reactions, it said.


It will only be one or two teeth affected - but they are front teeth, so not ones you want to lose UK dental expert Professor Jimmy Steele, from Newcastle University The Ohio team said that people with lip piercings were far more likely to have receding gums than those without piercings.

Gum recession is associated with gum disease, which can cause the loss of teeth that are otherwise healthy.

When the dental researchers examined the young people's mouths they found average recession depth was more than double in those with piercings, compared with those without piercings.

Dr Dimitris Tatakis and his team presented their findings at a conference of the International & American Association for Dental Research.

Tooth loss

Professor Jimmy Steele, from Newcastle University's Dental School in the UK, said people who had, or were considering getting, a lip piercing should take heed of the findings. "The metal of the lip stud is physically rubbing over the gum at the neck of the tooth causing the gum to recede.

"Once this has happened, you don't get the gum back and it often becomes more difficult to clean and therefore even more prone to gum disease in the future. The effect is quite localised so it will only be one or two teeth affected - but they are front teeth, so not ones you want to lose."

He said it was only really a problem for long-term wearers.

He said taking the stud or ring out at night time and making sure the teeth were really clean would help reduce the risk of complications.

not sure if i should post this under safe sex or not. but it will touch on some safe sex topics. i went to angel witch, nep on the 8th of april. i met a real sweet warm cutie. cut to the chase, i bar fined her. while she is getting changed into street clothes i pop a quarter of a 100mg viagra. i doubt that i’m going to need it. but i wanted a hard-on that could drive railroad spikes. we get back to my room and after the showers and some fooling around i reach for a condom. i started with a durex color and flavor condom for oral. as i roll it on i notice that it seems really tight. it’s a little painful to roll it on. but i ignore that. the blowjob was good. we fool around some more. i reach for a kimono ultra thin condom to replace the durex for the main event. as i roll this one on i notice that it too is too tight. i also see a little bruising on the shaft about a ½ inch below the head. i ignore that in anticipation of the main event. i’m using astroglide lube. we start and damn her pussy is so so tight. we go through some positions and eventually work our way to doggie. i get a little too aggressive i think. i miss the mark.

the condom doesn’t slip but catches on her skin. i know that i’ve bent it a bit too much. but i don’t really think too much of it. then as i try to re-enter her from behind i feel pain at the base of the head. i pull out altogether and take a real close look. i see a little blood in the condom. now that sends me from 0 to freaked real quick. i jump out of bed and head to the bathroom to take a closer look. i take the condom off. i take a quick shower washing the important parts. then i fill the condom with water to see if i can find any holes. i find no leaks in the condom. then i take a close look at my dick. the top 1/3 of the head is bruised. a nice dark bruise is forming on both sides of the shaft, but mostly on the right side. it appears that i tore a very tiny bit of skin at the tip of the urethra. she freaked out a lot less than i did but my jumping out of bed did scare her a bit. she took a quick shower. i then explain what happened and that we can’t have sex. we spent the night together. it was very s/o like.

in the morning i enjoy her body and do the best i can to make her feel good. it was pretty hot turning her on knowing that i wasn’t going to have sex with her. though i really wish i could have. for the next 2 days it burns when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url] and when the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] comes in contact with the cut. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] reopens the cut so that i see a drop or two of blood when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url]. the cut healed just fine in 2 days. the bruise faded completely within 10 days. i still can get a normal erection but feel just a hint of pain still at the base of the head. i think the pain will fade away altogether in a couple more days. this experience pretty much ruined my mongering while on vacation. i just wasn’t comfortable having sex with a dick that was in less then tip top shape. not to mention it hurt a little when i had a hard-on. i didn’t have sex again for the rest of the trip. however two days after getting bent i bar fined a girl in phuket. her name was tar and damn she was… i could fall in love. but i’m not going to do that. i don’t have her number or email and i’m back in the states. anyway, we didn’t have sex for the reasons listed above. but she did give me a handjob. though the hard-on hurt a bit, it felt great while getting a handjob. it was perhaps the best orgasm i had in years. i damn near drowned the girl in a massive facial.

anyone else experience anything like this? i think the viagra, the tight condoms and too little lube resulted in increased wear and tear on the woman maker. what do you think? would you have been comfortable having sex if you faced similar circumstances?

Were can I get my HIV test in Udon Thani?

This is not a mongering report but I want to share what I saw in Udon. I'm here visting a friend I met so I have not been out mongering.

We went to visit her family in outside of Udon (Nang Bua Lam Phu). In her little village of about 100 people there were two women with aids and there husbands and children had it also. One of them said they got it from her husband who also worked at a bar.

It was so scary to see this up close that it scared the hell out of me. It made me regret everytime I didn't use a condom.

When I was in pattaya I would ask farangs who lived there if aids is a problem and everybody said no. I wonder if it's becuase no one talks abot it when they get it.

Anyway I just wanted to share this. Its "up to you " what this all means.

I was so scared yesterday when we went to the hopital to get are blood test. We are both clean for HIV and Hep A. Hep B took to long for the results so I passed since I won't be here that long.

Good Luck All.

Fly for Thai,

Please get STD checked. I recently got one - chlamydia. But I will live.

70% of US population has STDs but they do not know it. Especially common among teens. Much more common among SW and mongers, I bet. The statistic is huge but true. I did not know until my doctor here in the USA told me so.

I always use a condom for FS as well as BJ. Only on one occasion did I have a BBBJ for 15 sec or so. Yet I caught it. Apparently chlamydia bacteria also resides in the throat and I do enjoy kissing during FS. Maybe that's how I got it.

Please practice safe sex guys.

[QUOTE=Gladiator]Contracting HIV from a BBBJ is extremely unlikely, it’s like being struck by lightning, but as you know some people are actually struck by lightning now and then.

The risk appears when your hired mouth has open sores or a bleeding area (by the teeth, lips or wherever).

I remember one occasion in the Sacred City of Pattaya when, after a long BBBJCIM, the Beach Road worker took a towel and wiped millions of spermatozoa from her mouth. When she left the towel I noticed some small red stains on it, I asked her what it was and she pointed to her lower lip: I looked at it and it was bleeding slightly. The BBBJCIM had been so long that her lip had started to bleed! She had been blowing me bareback while her blood was coming out!

I knew that had been a high-risk experience and there was the chance of contracting HIV as well as other less serious shits.

Anyway, this was a few years ago and all my regular STD tests since then have been fine.

I keep enjoying BBBJ’s as usual, because after all we only live once.[/QUOTE]Gladiator,

Would you be giving us the same advice "you only live once" even if you had an STD? Well, if you only live once don't you want to live longer?

I got a bloody STD and I can tell you, I'd rather be impotent than to have HIV or even herpes. That will ruin your libido and much more.

Please do CBJ. Not that much different in feeling but do yourself and the girl that favor. Remember that if she does BBBJs, one thing is definitely true:

1) Either she already has a major STD and now using a condom is "up to you"
2) She has definitely sucked someone who has HIV. Do you want to share the same mouth? Remember that she gets around 20 clients per month and one of them will have the HIV. 14 out of 20 have some form of STD anyway.

If you want to gamble with your life do so. But do not do that if you are married and still mongering. You owe that to your wife (and kids).

[QUOTE=Johnson45]
When I was in pattaya I would ask farangs who lived there if aids is a problem and everybody said no. I wonder if it's becuase no one talks abot it when they get it.
[/QUOTE]
Johnson,

yes, that's the reason and you better be safe than sorry. Do always wear a condom !!!

I used to know two HIV positive girls myself. They caught it after they had been with me, but I tested anyway for peace of mind. One died several years ago and the other one left for good, don't know if she is still alive or not.

It's easy for the girls to avoid tests at gogos and MPs. They take a day off or pay the doc for a negative result. Freelancers and bar girls do not test at all. Nobody really knows the current rate of infection but I wouldn't dare to go bareback.

Furthermore given the time the body needs to develop antibodies after an infection, a test might be negative even though the girl carries the virus. So a monthly test doesn't help much.

I sometimes even test if they would allow me to have intercourse without protection. If they do not insist on a condom and would allow me to do it without protection, I immediately pay them and send them off. If they would do it with me, then they do it with others too.

[QUOTE=The Traveler] If they would do it with me, then they do it with others too.[/QUOTE]So many of them let me go bare back in Pattay about 6 months ago. Some of them I even pressured in to it. I feel bad about this now. They can be talked into it and its up to us to not do that.

It is very easy to have condomless sex in Thailand, for many reasons:

1. many girls do not care much, it is in their mentality to be fatalistic and fun-loving.
2. if you go to MPs that cater to the Asian market, condom use is not so frequent, as many Asian men do not want to use it. (They seem to believe AIDS is a Farang thing, that is why many such places are Asian only).
3. Girls can be carried away by the moment and lose sight of whether you use a condom or not.
4. if you are with a girl for some time, she will easily consider that she is your GF, and in their mind GF sex is condomless. "Some time" might mean several days, or just the second shot of the first encounter.

For all those reasons, you should never count on the girl to be the one enforcing safe sex. You are in charge, and you need to be strong enough to use condoms in all circumstances, because the choice is often entirely yours. Or else, you are into risk management area ...

[QUOTE=Fly for Thai]Anyone else experience anything like this? [/QUOTE]Last time I was in LOS for a month I took viagra all the time and got large bulging vain that didn't go down. Luckly it went down went I went back home. It took about three or four days of no viagra before it went down. It didn't hurt.

Seydlitz,

good to see you back, hope everything we were talking about in our last mails went out fine.

I agree with all you said, but most girls I have been with - who cater the farang section of the sex biz - do actually insist on protection. They will provide BBBJ, but no fun without a condom.

These girls are well aware about the risks and do realize that they are the main source of income for their families which has to be protected.

[QUOTE=MS Clive]I was bitten by the STD bug recently. Not a major one really: Chlamydia. Apparently 70% of the women in US have it. It is more common among teenagers. The symptoms are so often ignorable that patients do not know it.

I usually practice very safe sex: no BBBjs for me.

I may have let go a bit in BKK with a go-go girl who gave me a BBBJ for around 15 sec before the CBJ. I do not know if I was already infected but either I infected her or she infected me.

Never mongered since Jan 1st week of 2005.[/QUOTE]LOL- a taste of Chlamydia is good for you- nothing like Urethritis to help you repent sins. Plus, that uthethral swab sort of feels nice too.

Chlamydia is a good and relatively painless lesson, that could scare you just enough to stop you catching something worse in the future.

It is extremely difficult to catch this from oral so I doubt you caught it from the go-go-oral.

I didn't realise anyone actually did CBJs, I thought it was an urban myth. I've not once in my life had a CBJ.

Chlamydia is not only rife in Thailand, but also like you say in the US, and everywhere else. A recent study in the UK found that one in eight men, and one in ten women tested positive for Chlamydia. The figures were even higher for teenagers.

The biggest problem with Chlamydia is that 50% of men and 70% of women are asymptomatic, ie- they have no idea they have it. This is one good reason to visit a GUM clinic every so often, even if all seems happy downstairs. And if you test positive a mere seven to ten days on Doxycycline will calm the storm.

Hope your cock feels better soon and may your passion for mongering return with a vengeance.

[QUOTE=Member #2967] Chlamydia is a good and relatively painless lesson,.... And if you test positive a mere seven to ten days on Doxycycline will calm the storm.[/QUOTE]

Painless? Well so is pissing razor blades:)
a mere seven to ten days: it depends on the actual dose. Lots of Thai skanks are very dirty down there as they fuck through their illnesses and Thailand is well known for its virulent strains. Many of the hookers probably never get properly cleaned up at all. Skanking remains a risky proposition.

As an aside to all this: when one drinks water in Thai bars as Skinles does, the staff often think it is because you are infected as that is the reason most expats drink water. Maybe something to think of if you are trying to proposition a skanky Thai barmaid.

Domino - really on the water?

I rarely drink anything except water or mixed water/something not sweet. To appease 1 bar owner, I actually had a beer (after I had eeen going there for a week) She was surprised

Much alcohol tends to cause "other" problems with my metabolism, but lots of fluids is good

(40 odd years ago, I had the occassion in PigAlley in Paris to unfortunate with a good looking French piece who gave me the gift that keeps on giving. - Been there, done that - wished I hadn't done her at all)

[QUOTE=Domino]
As an aside to all this: when one drinks water in Thai bars as Skinles does, the staff often think it is because you are infected as that is the reason most expats drink water.
[/QUOTE]
Domino,

where is the connection between drinking water and having a STD/VD ?
I understand that someone has to avoid alcohol if he got hepatitis, but water is just a soft drink. Hepatitis in a certain stage can easily be determined (or guessed) by the color of your eyes. Guess that's a better sign than drinking water.

Dinghy,

I guess you are talking about herpes. It usually only breaks out if your immune system is weakened by something else.

I have heard that liquorice can be of help. Something in there - I forgot the name of the ingredient - is able to kill the herpes viruses. It's no cure for it, but give it a try.

Drinking lots of water flushes the system and so clap carriers should drink lots of it. (Look at the posts in the overall safe sex section right now). The barrack room humor of Bkk's ex pat drinkers give rise to the comments about water drinkers in bars plus, no doubt, the many times they catch a dose. I mainly drink water and so the skanks call me water boy. Blueberry is a recommended drink too. I got the water and blueberrry advice from doctors btw.
I cannot comment on herpes except to say it has no known cure. Touch wood, I have not contracted it and so I have not looked at the old wive's "cures" concerning it.

Chlamydia

Chlamydial infection is caused by a bacterium, Chlamydia trachomatis. Like gonorrhea, it's easily transmitted by sex without a condom, including oral sex and anal sex. Unlike gonorrhea, a chlamydial infection usually has no symptoms, or else very mild symptoms.

Chlamydia is the most common STD in the U.S. caused by a bacterium.

The symptoms of a chlamydial infection are usually slight pain during urination or a slight discharge, early in the infection, usually within one to three weeks after infection. Many people have no symptoms. For those who do, the symptoms usually go away until the disease reaches an advanced stage and causes inflammation and pain around the testicles or in the female reproductive system or swelling of the lymph nodes. By then, if not treated soon, the female or the male may become sterile.

A pregnant woman can easily pass the infection on to the eyes of her baby during delivery, causing a serious eye infection and possibly blindness. Chlamydia may also show up as pneumonia in the baby within 3 to 6 weeks of birth.

To determine whether you have a chlamydia infection, the doctor needs to take a smear from the urethra of the man or the vagina of the female and perform tests. It should be determined whether what you have is gonorrhea or chlamydia or non-specific urethritis (NSU), or a combination thereof.

A simple regimen of certain antibiotics usually knocks off chlamydia.

The best site I've found to date on gonorrhea is the U.S. National Institute of Health's web page at [url]http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdclam.htm[/url]

juice

Molluscum Contagiosum ("the clam")

Molluscum contagiosum, also known as "the clam", is a recently recognized STD that is not well understood. After a friend notified me of this one (who picked it up from a prostitute on Sukhumvit) and reading a lot of literature on this one, here's what I've put together:

A small bump appears on the skin. It can be on the scrotum or penis or anywhere in the genital area. In the center of the bump is what looks like a pimple but is not a pimple. The skin is moist around the bump, within a radius of a couple of centimeters, when it first comes out. It doesn't hurt or itch. It's fairly benign, but it grows a little for a few weeks to a few months, and then goes away. Apparently, the body fights it off. It generally does not recur. My friend's doctor cut out the central pimple, which turned out to be a hard white bump, as the doctor says that if you don't cut that out, then it will get a lot bigger and take longer to go away. His doctor said he had seen a lot of cases of molluscum contagiosum in farangs on Sukhumvit over the last year. My friend said that the bump that the doctor cut healed up real fast, but two other bumps showed up on his scrotum without the central pimple, and grew for a couple of months, then went away entirely.

There is no medicinal treatment for molluscum. From what I've read on Internet, the doctor usually doesn't do anything surgically, either, unlike what the doctor on Sukhumvit did. However, my friend said that after the central white dot was cut out, the moisture and some other symptoms were reversed and went away quickly.

On the Internet, many people have expressed that sexual desire was unusually and significantly increased during the early stages of mollusca and/or while the bump is present. The speculation is that there has been a natural selection process in which the molluscum promotes its own spreading by making the host more sexually active.

No known negative effects of mollusca are known yet, and indeed not much is known about it.

The best source of information on the web on mollusca that I've found so far is on [url]http://www.syntac.net/dl/Clam/[/url] but I've noted that it's starting to show up in medical sites for consumers, albeit more formally and with less information.

juice

Juice,

"Making the host more sexually active" and "No known negative effects of mollusca are known yet"

Sounds like fun:D!

I thought it was funny too...:D


juice

This a a good web-site for Molluscum Contagiosum information.

[url]http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068963/[/url]

Especially amusing are the list of treatments. But, if you happen to find one on your weiner DO NOT use any method other than the liquid nitrogen.

These aren't too common on the penis, they normally occur on the torsos of children. But it is the sort of thing you could easily pick up if you're a BB fan.

In France they actually eat the liquid contained inside.

Domino,

I am also a "water boy". I never drink any alcohol at home and extremely seldom on holidays. I guess any average British guy drinks more beer at one day than I had during my whole life. Alcohol doesn't taste to me and beer has the unpleasent effect that I have to go to the restroom very often.

That liquorice is able to kill herpes viruses is no "old wive's cure". It was detected some time ago, but anybody who wants to try that got to be careful. A high dosis of glycyrrhizin, which is an antiviral agent that can derived from the roots of the liquorice plant, can kill you. It might also be effective against HIV, SARS, cancer and other diseases caused by viruses.

[url]http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0503/S00014.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.advancesinlifescience.com/features_19.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.news-medical.net/?id=8115[/url]
[url]http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=58452-liquorice-compound-may[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4307907.stm[/url]

Domino,

I am also a "water boy". I never drink any alcohol at home and extremely seldom on holidays. I guess any average British guy drinks more beer at one day than I had during my whole life. Alcohol doesn't taste to me and beer has the unpleasent effect that I have to go to the restroom very often.

That liquorice is able to kill herpes viruses is no "old wive's cure". It was detected some time ago, but anybody who wants to try that got to be careful. A high dosis of glycyrrhizin, which is an antiviral agent that can derived from the roots of the liquorice plant, can kill you. It might also be effective against HIV, SARS, cancer and other diseases caused by viruses.

[url]http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0503/S00014.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.advancesinlifescience.com/features_19.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.news-medical.net/?id=8115[/url]
[url]http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=58452-liquorice-compound-may[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4307907.stm[/url]

[QUOTE=MS Clive] Gladiator,
Would you be giving us the same advice "you only live once" even if you had an STD?[/QUOTE]

Yes, why not?

[QUOTE=MS Clive] Well, if you only live once don't you want to live longer?[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily, I think a shorter but more pleasurable life is preferable to a longer but more boring one.

[QUOTE=MS Clive] I got a bloody STD and I can tell you, I'd rather be impotent than to have HIV or even herpes. That will ruin your libido and much more.[/QUOTE]

I’d rather have any STD than be impotent.

[QUOTE=MS Clive]Please do CBJ. Not that much different in feeling but do yourself and the girl that favor. Remember that if she does BBBJs, one thing is definitely true:
1) Either she already has a major STD and now using a condom is "up to you"
2) She has definitely sucked someone who has HIV. Do you want to share the same mouth? Remember that she gets around 20 clients per month and one of them will have the HIV. 14 out of 20 have some form of STD anyway.

If you want to gamble with your life do so. But do not do that if you are married and still mongering. You owe that to your wife (and kids). [/QUOTE]

I find CBJ’s very different in feeling, that’s why - as many other mongers - I prefer to increase my risk exposure.

In any case, there is no universal truth in this matter: you have to do a risk-reward analysis, evaluate your own personal situation and take the right decision based on your target rewards and the level of risk that you are willing to take. After doing this analysis, whatever decision you make (whether it involves BBBJ, CBJ or no BJ at all) will be the right decision.

Always, always use them...

juice

When I was in Bangkok 2 months ago, in both occasions when I went to Nana Plaza by taxi, both the taxi drivers kept saying the girls there are 'dirty' and I should go to better places. Not sure how true this is or they simply tries to take me somewhere that they can get a commission.

[QUOTE=W169]Both the taxi drivers kept saying the girls at Nana are 'dirty' and I should go to better places. Not sure how true this is or they simply tries to take me somewhere that they can get a commission.[/QUOTE]Both reasons.

The girls at Nana ARE dirty, most Thai guys wouldn't go near them. NEP is full of girls who aren't attractive to kohn Thai.

But, yes, the taxi drivers are also keen for commissions.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Both reasons.

The girls at Nana ARE dirty, most Thai guys wouldn't go near them. NEP is full of girls who aren't attractive to kohn Thai.

But, yes, the taxi drivers are also keen for commissions.[/QUOTE]


CB

Pardon my ignorance but could you define DIRTY in the context mentioned above.

Duni

Hi Duni.

It wasn't meant as an insult, I love every single one of them.

In the context below, dirty as in unclean, potentially infected etc. Plus, the fact that many of them have ya-ba habits.

(Plus, dirty as in promiscuous, like most of us).

Hi CB,

Thanks for a useful answer. However in a night scene like Bangkok, or as a matter of fact, anywhere in the world, does a 'clean' place exist? We just need to play safe a protect ourselves, right?

BTW what is ya ba habit? Excuse my ignorance.

There are plenty of clean girls here too. In fact, they outnumber the dirty ones tenfold.

It's just that the dirty ones are much more easily accessible. Especially for the instant action that most of us crave.

But yes, you're correct - we just need to protect ourselves.

Ya Ba is a methamphetamine that is usually smoked, and that many many bar-girls (and countless others) regularly use. It comes in little orange pills and these days is mostly manufactured in Burma. Has that sickly-sweet smell when burnt.

In Thai YA means drug/medicine, and BA means crazy.

Can you give me some suggestion on 'clean' place CB as I am heading back in a few weeks time.

A lot of people said these expensive massage parlour are clean as they have regular checkup for the girls..etc. In fact many go-go bars claims their girls are regularly checked too. I go to MP for the good services, not for its 'cleaniness'.

To me, I just think people have the illusion that things are better if you have to pay more for it, especially the locals who think STD/AIDS only comes from Westerners. What do you think.

Hey CB, do you live in Bangkok?

Depends if you mean cleaner-P4P or just clean. Somewhere like Route 66 on RCA is good for clean girls.

The girls working at upmarket karaokes and hostess bars are normally required to be tested regularly.

Anyway, I prefer dirty, and I know a lot more about dirty than clean.

I date a lot of students and other non-working girls and in general they are cleaner than bar-girls but you never know.

Okay, no more of this C word.

[QUOTE=W169]Hey CB, do you live in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]
I live in Chiang Mai but am in BKK at least ten days per month.

Have just remembered why we are talking about clean girls- it came from your cabby's comments.

I don't think anyone would dispute the fact that prostitutes are "dirtier" (in every sense of the word), and have higher STD prevalence than non-working girls.

There is always this Bangkok cabby opinion but I regularly hear the exact same sentiments from kohn Thai of all walks of life. (Just as I hear the exact same thing said about EDSA girls from cabbies in Manilla).

Not everyone in BKK shares our love of NEP girls!

Anyway, clean is good, but dirty is often necessary.

i have just come back from 5 nights in bangkok and 5 nights in pattaya.

i think on the whole the thai girls are much cleaner and respectfull of catching std's than girls in england.

i found it very difficult to find young freelancers from the angels disco or outside in the car park to do owo, and cim from these girls was impossible.

most of these girls asked me if i had hiv because i was asking for oral without a condom, in england i always have oral without.

the massage parlours like annies and teen massage would do owo cim, but even then this involved several washes of my cock with a antiseptic wash and then they would rinse out their mouths with mouthwash before and afterwards, this is un heard of in english massage parlours.

in pattaya it was the same story as bangkok, i had a owo cim at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] in pattaya this again involved intense cleaning of my cock with antiseptic wipes, and then several gargling sessions by the girl, who then insisted on making me inspect her mouth to see she had no bleeding gums,or ulcers before she commenced.

in pattaya i took out the same bargirl two nights in a row, on the second night she said i could have sex without, and come inside her but obviously i declined i am not that kinky.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Depends if you mean cleaner-P4P or just clean. Somewhere like Route 66 on RCA is good for clean girls.
[/QUOTE]
Coma Boy,

when I was at RCA last time, February on a friday at 11:30pm, it was almost dead. All other bars - except Route 66 - were closed and even Route 66 was quite empty. I found a student for company and she told me that RCA is dying because most of the biz went to the Ratchada Soi 4 area, where we went later on. It was packed as usual.

Is RCA back to life or still a waste of time ?

RCA is making a comeback.

Route 66 merged with Interstate and has been converted into a very cool and extremely popular venue. I went a few weeks ago and had to stand in line to enter! Route 66 is definitely a good pick-up joint but certainly no P4P unless you meet a student who can't live without the latest Nokia. Any mongers wanting to pick up here should go with Thai friends, it isn't the sort of place to lurk alone.

RCA is certainly quieter than the old days and I didn't even see one Thai-teen gang-fight!

All in all though, I still prefer Ratchada.

OK - where is RCA (or what does it mean) and no comic RTFF response (I usually don't venture much in BKK)

Dinghy:

Read the... oh, sorry.

RCA = Royal City Avenue.

thanks I think... It's not a location talked about that I remember reading much before -Now that I know, i'll either look on a map or ASK (assuming I just decide to venture out there next trip)

Dinghy:

RCA is pretty much 99% Thai. Mostly students, but slowly attracting the Thai hi-so crowd.

Certainly not a good place for mongers, but if you've got special skills it's easy enough to pick-up there. Otherwise you'll leave feeling fucking frustrated at the hotties you couldn't chat to, and take it out on some poor Sukhumvit harlot.

Nearest BTS is probably Asok or Phrom Phong but best to take a taxi. In fact, you'd have to take a taxi from the BTS anyway. Typical Thai student scene- entrance fees, 1am closing, occassional police [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] testing, motorbike crashes etcetera.

Coma - pood pa-sa Thai kongchun is about sam-kreung bee dek khon thai (to those who want to know - I speak like a 3-1/2 year old) getting dee gwar, though

You want to say:

Pom pood parsah Thai dai geng tao gab dek Thai ar yuu sahm kuab.

(Note: for ages under about ten you say "Kuab" instead of "Bee").

Keep it up Dinghy, you'll improve in no time.

I don't think anyone would dispute the fact that prostitutes are "dirtier" (in every sense of the word), and have higher STD prevalence than non-working girls. [/QUOTE]

That's for sure, however, I'm tending to think that pros - well, those catering to farangs at least - are more knowledgeable about STDs and such. The only times I've been concerned about cleanliness has been with part-timers, the one's who only work occasionally. One pulled the 'very shy' routine and didn't want me to bathe with her then when I went in for some DATY it turns out she had an obvious and roaring yeast infection. She didn't even know that anything was wrong! Yea, a lot of STDs don't have any obvious symptoms, but I tend to think that the real pros have a higher awareness and (very hopefully) are cleaner than the non-working girls

Hey guys,

I read a report this evening in the washington post regarding the Aids rate in Japan that seemed alarming. In it they discuss how the Japanese have always denied the fact that Aids exists in significant numbers in their society etc etc and that lately, due to a number of factors, is has increased very rapidly.

One of the comparisons that they made was in relation to Thailand where they state that, according to the UNAIDS org, 1 in 100 people in Thailand are HIV positive. That seems like a ridiculously high figure! Are these just scare tactics or is there any truth to this?

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35538-2004Jul7.html[/url]

Dear Mr Pole

I was intrerested in your post. As it gave no references, I looked up the WP and found a year ago the USA was asking, as ever, for Japan to give more money to America's pet projects. Japan has one of the world's lowest HIV rates. One major reason is that there is little IV drug use in Japan. So, follow the money trail with the Washington Post and discount their bs accordingly. Japan has a low HIV rate but its sex industry is largely closed to transient mongers which is just as well for the rest of us;)

As HIV rates are much higher than 1 in 100 in many places, parts of Thailand included, the rate is not ridiculously high as you claim. The bareback, DATY and others here are playing Russian roulette. They can pretend to shuffle and stack the deck all they like but there is a lot of disease out there to help us remember our LOS fling.

Thulolado: Apologists here for these fallen women might argue that they are often cleaner. However, in places like LOS where the customer is always right and where the skanks are illiterate field hands, and where the doctors can only tell them to breathe out on the way up (rinse it after every fuck), caution is probably advised.

Personally, I am saddened that men go to Thailand to abuse these diseased women.

Coma Boy,

thanks for the RCA update. I will give it another chance next time. It used to be a good pick-up joint in the past and I hope it will be as good as it has been.

It seems to have become slightly more pricey and slightly more hi-so, and so isn't as good a pick-up joint as it used to be when it was just Thai teens out of their minds on 100 Pipers.

Domino,

Here is the article if you'd like to read it:

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/04/AR2005060400938_pf.html[/url]

I'm heading back to Thailand in a couple weeks to study at Chula and am looking forward to it regardless. I always cover up so I'm not too worried but one in 100 still seems a bit high. I could understand a figure like that in Africa but recent reports I've read seem to indicate that Thailand has shown a steady decline in new Aids cases in the past few years.

Anyway, better safe than sorry I guess.

MP

[QUOTE=Marco Pole]One in 100 still seems a bit high.[/QUOTE]One in 100 seems a bit low!

Yeah good point...guess I should rephrase that.

Well I just spent to many drunken nights with girls and became reckless in not using condoms all the time. I think I now have made the biggest mistake in my life. I do not have any stds, but I now have a gland infection in my pelvis area near the groin. I am afraid that this is the first sign of hiv infection. Does any body know if I can buy an orasure or any other kind of at home hiv/aids test kit in bkk or pattaya?

Also does anybody know what is Thai policy regarding testing at a clinic? If I am hiv positive, will I be registered as a carrier? Will it be listed on my entry through passport control? Thanks for any information, from scared and stupid.

That is not an early sign of HIV infection, it could be anything.

Just go to a good hospital, have them test you (use a fake name if you must), and then worry about the results afterwards.

If you've gone bareback more than a few times you have probably also caught (and spread) Chlamydia, which is often asymptomatic. But this is easily treated with a short course of antibiotics.

Report your symptoms to a doctor, and let the professionals work out what has caused the infection instead of jumping to conclusions. Be 100% honest with the doctors, they may frown disapprovingly but there is no point keeping secrets from them.

If you simply take a blood-test for HIV you'll still have the infection (and whatever else you may have picked up), whatever the HIV results.

Good luck.

In Victorian Britain, the high society believed that if you were infected with some STD's, the only effective cure was to have unprotected sex with a virgin, so that she would get the disease and the infected man would be clean again.

The effectiveness of this procedure was disappointing, though.

Seriously, as Coma Boy wisely advised, go to a real doctor, get yourself examined and get treated on the spot.

I would not worry too much about HIV if I were you. There are lots of nasty things that can be sexually acquired, especially when engaging into unprotected intercourse with promiscuous sex providers, but hardly anything that modern drugs cannot treat. It can be very unpleasant and even downright painful, but you will survive.

Act now.

[QUOTE=Bonsuk]Well I just spent to many drunken nights with girls and became reckless in not using condoms all the time.


First off good luck with the AIDS test. When you say you were reckless in not using condoms, did you pressure the Thai girls to not use them or did you just forget? I thought all TG's were pretty insistant on using condoms.

I hope things work out for you.

Regards Horatio

[QUOTE=Horatio]I thought all TG's were pretty insistent on using condoms.[/QUOTE]Not as insistent as they should be. I'd say about 4/10 are ready to go without protection. I am often the one insisting.

Let me cut and paste a previous post of mine on this:

It is very easy to have condomless sex in Thailand, for many reasons:

1. many girls do not care much, it is in their mentality to be fatalistic and fun-loving.
2. if you go to MPs that cater to the Asian market, condom use is not so frequent, as many Asian men do not want to use it. (They seem to believe AIDS is a Farang thing, that is why many such places are Asian only).
3. Girls can be carried away by the moment and lose sight of whether you use a condom or not.
4. if you are with a girl for some time, she will easily consider that she is your GF, and in their mind GF sex is condomless. "Some time" might mean several days, or just the second shot of the first encounter.

For all those reasons, you should never count on the girl to be the one enforcing safe sex. You are in charge, and you need to be strong enough to use condoms in all circumstances, because the choice is often entirely yours. Or else, you are into risk management area ...

Bonsuk, if you've "just spent" all those wild nights then the odds that what you're seeing is HIV are basically nil. It could be any number of things, and if what you're seeing is an infected prostrate those could include gonorrhoea, chlamydia, candida or a huge number of other things, either STD related or not. None of those is going to get you put on any list in LOS, and most types are treated with antibiotics or steriods and alpha-blockers.

But don't spend time worrying -- get checked out and get it dealt with. And then let folks here know what's what, so we can all learn from your experience.

Bonsuk,

Early signs of HIV (Primary infection) are flu like symtoms like sudden high fever, muscle ache and in some cases a skin rash. That occurs within a few days after the infection, in about 60 - 80 % of the cases, but disappears again after 5 - 10 days. And - sorry to say that - swollen glands CAN occur during the primary infection, too. But this symptom can occur with MANY different kinds of infections, which are easy to treat. And - many people do not experience any syptoms of a Primary Infection, so you can only be sure about it if you make a test.

On the other hand - the chance that you got infected with HIV is close to zero, if we talk about "a few nights", and if you have no open wounds / small fissures at your penis, which increases the risk dramatically.

There are Antigen tests available, which can check on the virus approx. 10 days to 2 weeks after the initial event. This tests are expensive, but I recommend to spend that money because the antibody tests will only give you results 6 weeks to 3 months after the infection. That time period will drive you crazy, you will experience mental stress in a way you never experienced before.

Pattaya International Hospital - go there and make a test, immediately.

Use condoms from now on, to protect the girls - and to protect US.

Whatever the outcome is - the HIV infection is nowadays NOT a death sentance any more. You will have to take a cocktail of medicaments all your life, change your life style (alcohol, smoking) and you will only have protected sex, if you care about others. But the average life expectation for newly HIV-infected people is rising every year, and many infected people will live their normal life and die of a heart attack one day, as other non-infected people too.

Good luck to you.


Giotto

Study Says Circumcision Reduces AIDS Risk by 70%

Here are the first two paragraphs from an article posted by the July 5 Wall Street Journal Online.

In a potentially major breakthrough in the campaign against AIDS, French and South African researchers have apparently found that male circumcision reduces by about 70% the risk that men will contract HIV through intercourse with infected women.

Other than abstinence and safer sex, almost nothing has been proved to reduce the sexual spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. World-wide, the major route of HIV transmission for many years has been heterosexual sex.

sorry to disappoint but this kind of bullshit has been floating around for years. for over 100 years, all kinds of quacks have been promoting circumcision to cure everything from speech impediments to the clap and now hiv.
the key thing about cut v uncut is it allows these idiots measure, compare and contrast, and then to write idiotic papers, go to conferences, get money for more "research" and go to conferences to bareback skanks. papers have been appearing on hiv and circumcision for over 10 years just as they previously appeared on other hot topics of days gone by.

the japanese are generally uncut as are the south koreans. they have very low hiv rates. importantly, americans' cut rate is around 50% so it is easy to get groups of cut and uncut and look for significant differences in infection rates between them. (cut junkies v uncut).

in africa, muslims tend to be uncut but cleaner in hygiene and more prone to keep their dicks in their pants. also, it can be difficult to tell who is cut, uncut or half cut (in africa).

bottom line: it was probably a quiet day at the wsg. nonsense like that should be beneath them. i make this post as it might save someone reading it from believing having a cut dick will save them if they fuck a hiv ridden skank/whatever.
cold advice like this is needed when we see some of the bullshit recently written both here and in the wsg.

love, peace and death.
that should read wsj;)

Agreed. This report (on WSJ) is crap, and dangerous. You can have microscopic lesions on your foreskin the same way you can have lesions on the head or base of your penis. Circumsision won't protect you at all. Let's not all go cutting off our tips and think we are protected. We are not. We are messing around in a dangerous hobby, and this report is going to convince some idiot who is circumsised that he is safe and he will go out and have unprotected sex with some beach road skank and get sick. Then he will say "But I am circumsised! I thought I was protected!" Use your brains, everyone. Wrap it up before you stick it in.

That circumcision report is dangerous nonsense. I don't really want to comment on that study; anybody who knows a little bit about that virus and the way it enters into the body will not even start a serious discussion about that study.

Even from the simple mathematical point of view it should not have any impact on our sexual behavior and the necessity for safe sex. The mentioned risk reduction still leaves us with that remaining 30 % ... so what does it help?

Breakthrough? A breakthrough would be the development of a vaccine, or a medicament which can destroy the virus in infected bodies. These are the fields serious scientists are doing research in.

Giotto

Gentlemen

My stance on practicing safe sex is well documented on the WSG Board. I am not advocating unprotected sexual intercourse.

The Wall Street Journal is not the National Enquirer or similar to any other tabloid publication, but one of the most highly respected newspapers in the world. They don't print trash or crap. Before you lambaste the article I informed you of, I suggest you read it in its entirety.

Personally, after reading about the study, I feel safer indulging in our dangerous pastime because I practice safe sex and am also circumcised.

Read my post in the photo section in the Philippines about WHO/CDC, the Times is no better, they've had their source problems, articles can be total bullcrap.

[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]Gentlemen

My stance on practicing safe sex is well documented on the WSG Board. I am not advocating unprotected sexual intercourse.

The Wall Street Journal is not the National Enquirer or similar to any other tabloid publication, but one of the most highly respected newspapers in the world. They don't print trash or crap. Before you lambaste the article I informed you of, I suggest you read it in its entirety.

Personally, after reading about the study, I feel safer indulging in our dangerous pastime because I practice safe sex and am also circumcised.[/QUOTE]

reduces the chances of contracting HIV.

The study is considered significant because scientists have yet to discover an effective vaccine against the HIV virus or develop a reliable way to prevent infection other than through abstinence or safe-sex practices.

[b][u]Previous studies have linked circumcision with increased HIV infection.[/u][/b]

While these medical results--if they're published [b]and validated[/b]--may help some parents decide whether to have their baby boys circumcised, conservatives face a dilemma about what to do: [i][b]on the one hand, the story's in the Wall Street Journal; but on the other, the study was conducted by the French.[/i][/b]

Can you imagine what Americans would do if a group of foreigners blew into town and tried to round up 3,000 men to be randomly circumcised? But then, South Africa IS a country where people actually believe you can prevent HIV by having sex with an infant, so go figure."

Thought you guys might like to an overall Asian snap shot. Looks like, as Chairman Mao said, the East is red. Pity red means Aids.

We are not attacking you. Not at all. We just think that the WSJ report is dangerous because it will lead some people to believe that they can have unprotected sex as long as they are circumsised. I did read the report, I do understand what they wrote, but I also know what some who read the report will interpret it to mean. It is dangerous.

[QUOTE=Domino]Thought you guys might like to an overall Asian snap shot. Looks like, as Chairman Mao said, the East is red. Pity red means Aids.[/QUOTE]


Domino

The map looks outdated as India is also a place where the AIDS virus is spreading rapidly. Just my 2 cents.

Duni: The map is tryng to highlight two things:
1. where HIV ACCELERATION rates are expected to reach Olympian levels soon. Papua New Guinea is expected to get gold and Chinan silver.
2. places with low HIV rates: Japan and South Korea win here with Pakistan and the Philippines dubiously following.
Although India and Thailand have impressively robust rates, the acceleration of those rates does not seem to be so much of an issue. The map writes a message that India has gold for HIV quantity in Asia.
Although PNG is an institutional mess, and the growth rates there should be bullish, there is no room for complacency anywhere.
Recent posts claiming circumcision is a protective against HIV, or that taking "only" a few chances is ok (ie not fucking the skank for a very long period of time) are either misinformed, naive or very dangerous.
I write the last peice as someone who was led to believe the fact that I have little bit off the top would protect me from the clap in Thailand. It didn't. And in case one of our English low life trolls is reading this, I posted about my clap when I got it. There is no such thing as safe sex with Thai skanks.

Domino
OK, I see your point. Agree with you and others regarding BS article on circumcision. It is irresponsible and does more harm than good.

D-

Well I just recevied my results from my HIV test and thankfully it came out negative. A fellow monger mentioned a new and very clean clinic on Suk and Soi 11. You can't see the clinic from the street, its inside an alley way behind the 7-11 on Soi 11, it's also along the same alley way as Cheap Charlies bar. The test cost 500 bht and results are given the next day. They don't ask for id, so you can write down any name you want on the test form.

The reason I had an HIV test was that I had gotten mono from a girl in Vietnam 2 months ago, and last week I developed a gland infection while working in Bkk! I felt that my immune system must be very weak to be getting sick so often. Let me point out, I am very healthy, trim and workout at the gym. When I went to the doctor to get checked out, I was told I had a gland infection which was caused by having sex with prostitutes. This caused pure panic in me, thinking that I might have Aids.

I have been mongering for several years now, and when I first started I was very strict about using condoms, but as I became more comfortable with visiting prostitutes I became complacent for many reasons.

1. I would have a girlfriend and frequent prostitutes at the same time. Nothing beats the feeling of going bareback, and it's firmly implanted in your mind when you have a girlfriend. So when you visit a really hot looking working girl you think of how good its going to feel w/o a condom. This is especially true when I was drunk, when I am drunk I lose all sensiblity and discipline.

2. When I was travelling or on a business trip I would get very lonely and sometimes it can be very easy to develop a "relationship" with the girl, over time this would lead to sex w/o a condom.

3. Hanging out and talking to other mongers, I would find out that many never use condoms! They don't like to use them and don't think that they can get Aids. Many of these guys have been in Asia for years, so it gave me a false sense of security that hiv is not possible to catch.

4. I've travelled to some remote areas where the brothel workers do not have condoms or even know what they are. These is especially true in remote areas of China and Indonesia, so always carry condoms.

All this said and done, before my test I had some difficult thinking of how I was going to cope with being HIV positive. I am 32 years old and realized how I would have wasted my life if I was positive. All of the time spent going to school and geting my BA, MBA and building my career would be flushed down the drain. The disappointment in my parents in finding out I am carrying HIV, would be devastating. And most importantly, I would never have the experience of getting married and raising a family.

This was a very scary experience that really scared me straight, we all know that we should use condoms when mongering, and there is good reason to. I never really considered what responsibilty we have when having sex with prostitutes as I was always looking for a good time. Just think what your life would be life would be like if you are HIV positive and what effects it would have on you and your responsiblities to your family. I know I never considered these issues before and hope that everyone can learn from my experience in order to avoid putting your health and life on the line by not using condoms.

Bonsuk

Hi friends,

Just came back from the TOP CLINIC, 2nd. Rd., in Pattaya where I had a chat with the doctor. I asked him what the majority of the cases are, which he sees. He tells me that almost all customers, Farang and Thai alike, fall into two categories:

1. Respiratory illnesses (what brought me to the clinic; I picked up a bad case of bronchitis probably on a bus)

2. Ghonorea

He urges NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, to exercise the hobby without a condom!
In his opinion, there is a 99.99% chance NOT TO AQUIRE HIV, but currently a almost certain chance to catch Ghonorea (nasty, long lasting, fun spoiling) in Pattaya.

All this talk about AIDS raised a curious question within me.

If you guys don’t mind me asking, how many of you guys get BBBJ with these girls?

I haven’t when I went, either that or I was too drunk to notice LOL.

There is nothing like the Bare back feeling but I usually do it with the girls I know from back home.

BBBJ is pretty standard over here. I've never come across a CBJ, am still not sure if they actually exist.

I'd imagine a girl only requests cover if the wiener looks unclean or something.

As for the risk, I don't believe it to be too high, and it's a risk I happily take.

I'd imagine eating **** and ass is slightly riskier. One girl I know told me she has had a customer who put a condom on his tongue for the task. Odd.

DISEASE CONTROL: Ministry to target TB during HIV treatment
Published on August 02, 2005

Two-in-one programme will tackle diseases as part of Bt30 health scheme

The Public Health Ministry will conduct a free tuberculosis treatment programme for people living with HIV/Aids in order to reduce the growing number of people living with both diseases.

Deputy Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said the two-in-one treatment programme was aimed at curing tuberculosis along with the life-saving anti-retroviral treatment under the government’s Bt30 healthcare scheme.

About a third of people living with HIV/Aids were found to also have tuberculosis, which accounts for 12 times the infection rate among non-HIV/Aids sufferers, he said.

The ministry was forced to shift its approach for the treatment of both tuberculosis and HIV/Aids by integrating the treatment programme for HIV/Aids patients.

“The more tuberculosis patients who are cured, the less chance there is that the disease will spread to the rest of the population,” Anutin said.

Working-class people with low incomes make up the majority of people who contract tuberculosis, which kills about 6,000 every year in Thailand, Anutin said. About 10,000 new infections are recorded every year.

Despite the high number of tuberculosis cases, only 55,000 people enrolled in the treatment programme, which takes about six to eight months.

Dr Somchai Phinyoporn-

panitch, deputy director-general of the Disease Control Department, said 76 per cent of the treated cases were successful. The success rate is much lower than the World Health Organisa-tion standard of 85 per cent, he said.

The drug resistance rate of people living with HIV/Aids and tuberculosis is considered high at 5 to 7 per cent, compared to about 1 per cent in the general public.

This prompted the ministry to monitor drug resistance and report on a four-month basis in every province.

As part of the two-in-one treatment programme, tuberculosis patients who have tested positive for HIV/Aids will be evaluated for HIV/Aids treatments such as anti-retroviral drugs. People living with HIV/Aids who have tested positive for tuberculosis will be enrolled in the treatment programme.

The Nation

I was never impressed with the choice of condoms available in Thailand which ranged from cheap Thai made stuff to basic Durex or other brands. Ultra-thin condoms with increased sensitivity which I'd rather have seem to be unavailable.

I'll probably bring my own supply next time. Unless anyone knows where to get some of those ultra-thin 'skinless' Japanese brands from any specialty shops in BKK.

Top 10 condoms reviewed:

[url]http://www.condomdepot.com/reviews/best-condoms.htm[/url]

Wow- those Crown Skinless and Kimono look amazing. If anyone finds them here please post location.

I generally use Durex Featherlite, Jeans, or Comfort, but always steal imported condoms when friends from overseas visit.

I accidentally used one of those numbing condoms (Performax) a couple of weeks back, it was horrible, I couldn't finish after about three hours. Good cardio though.

What really are our chances of getting HIV? Has anyone ever stopped and calculated their risks. I think that Western countries got so paranoid about aids that you can be with a girl for months and she'll still insist on a condom. Consider this:

.5% chance that the woman has HIV

10% chance that you contract it when having unprotected sex with someone infected with HIV (this is especially low if you don't cum inside from what I understand)

Therefore, that is a 1/2000 chance of getting HIV when having sex. If you are having unprotected sex with only 3 or 4 different girls at a time on a continual basis (who you change every few months or so), that you met at clubs, and having protected sex with prostitutes, it is unlikely you will ever get HIV, and if you do you'll be so old that something else is going to kill you first anyways.

I'm not saying that unprotected sex is generally a smart thing, sometimes its alright and sometimes it isn't. What I am challenging is the conventional wisdom that condoms should always be used with someone whom you don't know, and that calculated risks can't be made in regards to sex. When I get to the point where I'm not even thinking about a condom, it is in such an impassioned moment with a woman as to be in a low risk situation anyways. I.e. you wouldn't be in that state of mind in a dirty brothel or with some professional cold hooker from a bar. I can take 1/1000 long shot to have great sex with several beautiful girls, whom I feel good about, instead of a lifetime of boring, protected sex. Just driving an automobile is a calcuated risk that people unquestionably take, yet unprotected sex, with about the same risk of injury or fatality, is unquestionably rejected.

Consider that people in many developing countries like Thailand and Argentina, whom 10% or less use condoms on a regular basis as reported by polls. These guys are out doing it all of the time without a rubber and very few are contracting anything, why should we miss out on the fun? Of course someone would be at a huge risk if they went around to brothels everyday having unprotected sex, but that is completely different than doing it with just a few, non-working girls every month.

One more thing to consider, how much of HIV contracted through heterosexual sex comes from unprotected anal sex? Probably a very large amount. If you are someone who doesn't like anal sex and never engages in it, your chances probably go down much more.

I bet that quite a few people who preach condom usage are hyprocrites who regularly don't use condoms, who simply want you to use them to reduce their risk of catching anything.

[QUOTE=Havrum]0.5% chance that the woman has HIV[/QUOTE]Yeah, good luck with those odds in Thailand!

You should also consider what you may be giving to the girls, not just what they may give you.

Keep it wrapped fool!

I bet you are right. I bet most people wouldn't catch anything that can't be cured (well, maybe herpies). But condoms are a very cheap and easy form of insurance that lets me sleep at night. Have you tried the new ultra-thin condoms? May I suggest you try a variety pack to find a brand that fits best? I swear condoms are ten times better then they were when I was a teenager. For me the upside of unprotected sex doesn't equal the possible (however unlikely) downside of unprotected sex. Happy hunting F4T

PS I accept the risk when I drive. But I still wear a seatbelt.

Havrum,

it's like playing lottery, the chances to win aren't very high but there is always someone who will win the jackpot.

You play but do you really want to win THAT jackpot ?

Havrum,

Do you have any source for those statistics? Or did you just make them up?

Havrum.. it isn't only HIV.
It's a host of many STDs.
Guys that BB girls foolishly think they are the first ones to do that with the provider.
What's worse, the girls believe that their customer is someone that never buys sex from a provider.
Boy, is everyone wrong in this game....


[QUOTE=Havrum]What really are our chances of getting HIV? Has anyone ever stopped and calculated their risks. I think that Western countries got so paranoid about aids that you can be with a girl for months and she'll still insist on a condom. [/QUOTE]

Hey,

Well, let me chime in on this thread, first, to let you know, I spent 21 years in Navy medicine, most of it in Asia (Philippines, Hong Kong, Japan, Thailand). Most of what is below is from my personal and professional experiences, not I “read somewhere…” bullcrap.

-The CDC/WHO are very political bodies, case in point, in 1986 while stationed at Subic, CDC dropped in and decided to test all of the working girls for HIV. They had a brief conference at the Naval Hospital Subic, at which they stated before testing that they would (from preliminary data) find that 60-70% of the working girls would be HIV positive. So they went forth and tested, finding 18 HIV positive girls in just under 10,000 registered hostesses in Olongapo City (via bi-weekly testing of all bar girls at the Olongapo City social hygiene clinic) Eighteen girls, that’s less than 1 %, all but one where over 30. But having this data in hand, CDC then went about pronounning that the HIV level was about 60%.

-A condom will not protect you from all STDs, if they are only 70% effective in preventing pregnancy then it figures that they are 70% effective against STDs.

-A condom will not protect you against herpes. The most common infection sites are the labial lips (minora and majora), as well as the public mound, none of which are covered by a condom.

-Chlamydia is the most common form of STD in Asia, it is a plant-animal, it’s hard to kill, and it’s getting worse. You would rather have Gonorrhea vice Chlamydia. It is often misdiagnosed as gonorrhea, and normal treatment protocols are ineffective against Chlamydia. Many clinics, both in the US and in Asia do not have the testing kit for it, which is interesting since it is easier and faster to test for it vice gonorrhea.

Bottom line, I could care less if you go bare back or not, it’s a risk you take. I might also add that a good number of working Thai girls (as well a working Filipino girls) have a boyfriend and/or husband who tends to be a reservoir for anything she might pick up either from her BF/Husband or you.

[QUOTE=Havrum]I think that Western countries got so paranoid about aids that you can be with a girl for months and she'll still insist on a condom. .[/QUOTE]

Havrum,

The comments from the previous 5 posters says it all. Yes everything in flife is a calculated risk, however its not a risk worth taking in a an environment which you know to be loaded against the math.

Intelligent behaviour is the only answer. So those chicas who insist on a condom even after you have been with them for months are being intelligent.

Regards, Havanaman

Coma Boy: Yes, Skinless condoms, like Skinless, are tops. Okamoto make them: like most tihngs Japanese, they are the best. I find them a little small but that is probably not a problem for you;)
Beating the odds: This is the wrong application of probability and lurs us into a false sense of protection. Most Pattaya skanks are STI infected. Ans syphilis is at pandemic propirtions in SE Asia like it is in Africa.
Uncle Domino
(looking after your welfare)

Domino,

Please excuse my ignorance: please explain “skinless condoms”…

Regards, Havanaman

Long long ago, when Havanaman was Havanaboy, there was a naughty website run by whatshisname before Jackson became The Skipper. A handsome stud, called John Hansum Man Skinless, decided to join the august and select band of warriors, who included such luminaries as Zxelda and Freeler, who were spreading their light over the Net. (Gladiator and Seydlitz were also there fearlessly spreading the word and their sperm) But John Skiness had to use a name according to the rules of the forum and so he chose his surname, which he got from the Okamoto company which is the world's biggest manufacturers of condoms. When John looked down to choose a name, he lighted on the packet of Skinless condoms he always keeps handy. Eureka.
Now why did Okamoto pick the name Skinless? For the following reasons: 1. Skinless condoms are like having no skin, no condom, skinless, a Japanese expression; it is like doing it skinless; 2. Japanese companies like to use English/Japlish as it sounds more upmarket: please remember that Japan is the only major non US/European country with lots of brand names (Korea, HK have some and Cuba has one). 3. the Japanese are shit at English so their English often gets mangled. Thus confusion with the meaning of Skinless.

Now I hope this information was useful to you as I have billed you $20US for my SIN Fund (skanks in Need): If you check my recent photos, you will agree that there are a lot of ugly skanks whose only hope of geting $20 is by scamming someone like you:)
Havanaman: Recently in Pattaya, I buttholed a skank with a Skinless condom. When I removed it, it was covered in shit. My delicate constitution finds it hard to deal with that and I almost got sick. I am scared of it happening again. Any advice?
shit, I am hot today. I already did post 888 in the Photo section and this is my 777 post. I wonder how 666 is getting along. Anyone want me to mention them in this post? It costs only $20 to SIN.

[QUOTE=Domino]I find them a little small but that is probably not a problem for you.[/QUOTE]LOL, thanks Domino! Well, if they're too small for you, they'll definitely be too small for me! I am British after all.

If you don't want a shitty-dick after anal try asking the young lady to take a shit beforehand. Anyway, a few brown stains on the sheets adds to the magic of anal, and gives the occassion a certain element of theatre.

The worse thing is that I am quite partial to rimming, and I tell you, getting a taste in the mouth isn't pleasant.

Coma,

Please forgive me for not posting a picture that matches your latest post...:(.

Domino,

Over in the photo section:
Where did you get that duck photo? And, more important, who is that smiling bigtit in the picture with the duck? I see many familiar faces in your photos, but I don't remember her...

[QUOTE=Freeler]Coma,

Please forgive me for not posting a picture that matches your latest post...:(.

...[/QUOTE]

Freeler, you mean you actually have one ?

:eek:

1ball,

Check your pm... You kind of asked for it!

Nice one Domino, especially the tender tone to it. As far as the SIN fund goes how do we know that you will actually not skank it?

Suspecious.

Go on Freeler, post the pic.
or is it too much, even for our esteemed friends on the Thai board?


Fucking blew me away. Yikes !!!

[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Hi friends,

Just came back from the TOP CLINIC, 2nd. Rd., in Pattaya where I had a chat with the doctor. I asked him what the majority of the cases are, which he sees. He tells me that almost all customers, Farang and Thai alike, fall into two categories:

1. Respiratory illnesses (what brought me to the clinic; I picked up a bad case of bronchitis probably on a bus)

2. Ghonorea

He urges NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, to exercise the hobby without a condom!
In his opinion, there is a 99.99% chance NOT TO AQUIRE HIV, but currently a almost certain chance to catch Ghonorea (nasty, long lasting, fun spoiling) in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]That Doctor is right. I caught Gonorrhea in Bangkok. I don't know which girl gave it to me. I don't use condoms. I have been tested anonymously at a Clinc.

Gonorrhea long lasting? In the couple times I've gotten it years ago, it was the simplest STD to clear up. 2 anti-biotic tabs a day and its gone in 2 days.

Syphilis was a bad experience though. After being diagnosed with it, the clinic that treated me told me to wait. I waited for 2 hours until closing time in the evening. I found out why they told me to wait. After all the patients were gone and I was the only one left, the doctor gave me the nastiest, longest lasting shot in the buttocks I'd ever experienced. I was screaming at the top of my lungs. But conveniently for him, no patients around to get frightened and leave. ;)

[QUOTE=Freeler]Coma,

Please forgive me for not posting a picture that matches your latest post.[/QUOTE]Post it!

Excrement is a romantic and beautiful thing.

LOL. Thanks Domino, I think I understand now.

BTW Havanaman, not being as old as you are, can still remember being Havanaboy! Indeed Havanaman feels as old as the (over 20 year old..) chica he is about to plough...

[QUOTE=Domino]Havanaman: Recently in Pattaya, I buttholed a skank with a Skinless condom. When I removed it, it was covered in shit. My delicate constitution finds it hard to deal with that and I almost got sick. I am scared of it happening again. Any advice?.[/QUOTE]

Yes…

Either be a good boy and stop it, or get your “skank” to dump a load before the fact… This is easily facilitated by getting your ride to take Bisacodyl (5mg should do the trick, assuming the painters are not in…) or one of the Fybogel drinks… If she takes the treatment when you first meet, she will be ready to “do backside” when you are ready for round two….

Regards, Havanaman

[QUOTE=Domino] Recently in Pattaya, I buttholed a skank with a Skinless condom. When I removed it, it was covered in shit. My delicate constitution finds it hard to deal with that and I almost got sick. I am scared of it happening again. Any advice? [/QUOTE]

That’s one of the reasons why I’m not into anal, I prefer to stick to pussies and mouths.

Equally, after a few accidental bites on my balls during the course of several different ball-sucking sessions, I finally decided to ban ball-sucking altogether and declared my balls a no-go area.

[QUOTE=Domino]
Recently in Pattaya, I buttholed a skank with a Skinless condom. When I removed it, it was covered in shit. My delicate constitution finds it hard to deal with that and I almost got sick. I am scared of it happening again. Any advice? [/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Gladiator]That’s one of the reasons why I’m not into anal, I prefer to stick to pussies and mouths.

Equally, after a few accidental bites on my balls during the course of several different ball-sucking sessions, I finally decided to ban ball-sucking altogether and declared my balls a no-go area.[/QUOTE]
Thats rare experience in my experience. Over 40 "skanks I've buttholed" over the years its only happened with 2.

[QUOTE=JP2U]Gonorrhea long lasting? In the couple times I've gotten it years ago, it was the simplest STD to clear up. 2 anti-biotic tabs a day and its gone in 2 days.

Syphilis was a bad experience though. After being diagnosed with it, the clinic that treated me told me to wait. I waited for 2 hours until closing time in the evening. I found out why they told me to wait. After all the patients were gone and I was the only one left, the doctor gave me the nastiest, longest lasting shot in the buttocks I'd ever experienced. I was screaming at the top of my lungs. But conveniently for him, no patients around to get frightened and leave. ;)[/QUOTE]When you had Syphilis, did you have any symptoms and what did it feel like when you had it?

[QUOTE=Johnson994]When you had Syphilis, did you have any symptoms and what did it feel like when you had it?[/QUOTE]
Boy, that was a while back. During my condom-less BKK romps of the 80's. Symptoms of syph are slow developing, over a few weeks. I felt fatigue and noticed a slight sore developing on my penis.

Dear Fellow mongers,

Can some one will be infected when doing a comdomless blow job? I mean both cum in mouth or only sucking by hookers.

Please enlightened me with your precious ideas.

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one can become infected with a STD via a condomless blow job, oral-pharygeal gonorrhea is common and worst yet it is usually virulent, one can also have herpes and/or syphilis sores inside the mouth and transfer it to someone via an uncovered blow job....better now!


[QUOTE=Macho Dik]Dear Fellow mongers,

Can some one will be infected when doing a comdomless blow job? I mean both cum in mouth or only sucking by hookers.

Please enlightened me with your precious ideas.[/QUOTE]

I have just got back from Pattaya as it was a short trip, was there back in June and was surprised that nearly all the girls did not bother about protection especially the second shot.

And on one occasion this beer bar babe I picked from Soi 7 was rubbing her pussy on the tip of my penis.(approx 0.5-1 inch)

Its only now I thought about it that got me worried as I did use protection for penetration but is this action of bare rubbing dangerous?

Infact girls in Bangkok are more persistent for protection then Pattaya and girls tend to brush their teeth before the main coarse and they normaly give BBBJ first.

Ab

[QUOTE=Abx69]This beer bar babe I picked from Soi 7 was rubbing her pussy on the tip of my penis. (approx 0.5-1 inch).[/QUOTE]That's a pretty small penis dude.

I know how you feel CB.

Hi,

I am new, and I registered here to ask someone.

Before I try to describe my question, I apologize for my bad English, I am from Europe, and I can not speak or write English very good. But I think, it is enough.

In December I will go three weeks to Thailand, Phuket. The main-reason is the Tsunami-disaster almost a year ago. I am young, 20 years old, I will go alone. It is my first travel out of Europe. I do not go there only because girls or women.

But for the case, that I will meet a beauty lady, here my question:
If I there meet a women or a prostitute, do they have condoms? Or must I look by myself for condoms? If yes, should I buy some condoms in my home-country, or can I buy there condoms too (if yes, where?)? Because I think it is too dangerous, to sleep there with women, because I have read in a travel-book, that there a lot of people have AIDS.

By the way: I have not very much carnal experiences.

I will stay in a tourist-hotel the first and the last week. In the middle week, I will search a sleeping-place, when I am there. If I meet a lady, can I take her to my hotel-room, or should I not make this?

I would be very happy, if someone cound answer the questions, because it seems, that a lot people here was already in Thailand.

Best wishes,

Indrid

Hi,

I am new, and I registered here to ask something.

Before I try to describe my question, I apologize for my bad English, I am from Europe, and I can not speak or write English very good. But I think, it is enough.

In December I will go three weeks to Thailand, Phuket. The main-reason is the Tsunami-disaster almost a year ago. I am young, 20 years old, I will go alone. It is my first travel out of Europe. I do not go there only because girls or women. I want see a lot from the island.

But for the case, that I will meet a beauty lady, here my question:
If I there meet a women or a prostitute, do they have condoms? Or must I look by myself for condoms? If yes, should I buy some condoms in my home-country, or can I buy there condoms too (if yes, where?)? Because I think it is too dangerous, to sleep there with women, because I have read in a travel-book, that there a lot of people have AIDS.

By the way: I have not very much carnal experiences.

I will stay in a tourist-hotel the first and the last week. In the middle week, I will search a sleeping-place, when I am there. If I meet a lady, can I take her to my hotel-room, or should I not make this?

I would be very happy, if someone cound answer the questions, because it seems, that a lot people here was already in Thailand.

Best wishes,

Indrid

[QUOTE=Indrid Cold]Hi,

I am new, and I registered here to ask something.

Before I try to describe my question, I apologize for my bad English, I am from Europe, and I can not speak or write English very good. But I think, it is enough.

In December I will go three weeks to Thailand, Phuket. The main-reason is the Tsunami-disaster almost a year ago. I am young, 20 years old, I will go alone. It is my first travel out of Europe. I do not go there only because girls or women. I want see a lot from the island.

But for the case, that I will meet a beauty lady, here my question:
If I there meet a women or a prostitute, do they have condoms? Or must I look by myself for condoms? If yes, should I buy some condoms in my home-country, or can I buy there condoms too (if yes, where?)? Because I think it is too dangerous, to sleep there with women, because I have read in a travel-book, that there a lot of people have AIDS.

By the way: I have not very much carnal experiences.

I will stay in a tourist-hotel the first and the last week. In the middle week, I will search a sleeping-place, when I am there. If I meet a lady, can I take her to my hotel-room, or should I not make this?

I would be very happy, if someone cound answer the questions, because it seems, that a lot people here was already in Thailand.

Best wishes,

Indrid[/QUOTE]
Indrid, the best way is to do a search. In the menu bar on the top you will see a Search button. Click and go to Advanced search with your key words and select Reports. Read them for answer to your questions.

Condoms, yes you need them. Always cover up the dick. Bring your own for best results.

Girl to room. Some hotels do let you with no questions, others charge (joiner fee) and the rest don't. Seach for Girl friendly hotels.

Inexperienced? Don't worry. The ladyboys will take care of you. They look better than a lot of the girls. :eek:

Got royally freaked out last night. I was with this girl (19 year old hottie) and was having a grand time in the 'ol bedroom, with multiple positions and all that. Went to bend her over, and noticed that the condom had come a bit loose. Tightened it up and went back to work. I came, and when I pulled out I noticed that the fucking condom had broke. FUCK. I was freaking out. So I figure for about 30 seconds or so I was vulnerable. I wasn't using any KY or anything, but it was a fairly cheap condom (Lifestyles), so that could be the reason. Anyway, I told her that the condom had broken, and she kinda freaked out, but calmed down after I told her that I was safe. I asked if she had any diseases, she told me no, and then I asked her when her last test was (I have a great book that has all these questions in Thai --- called Thai for Lovers). She told me that she was tested 3 days ago, with negative results, and that she hadn't had sex since then, and that she ALWAYS uses a condom (she wouldn't even let me touch her pussy, so I believe her). She also told me that she just had her period so she probably wouldn't get pregnant. So I think I'm in the clear.
Lesson learned: Don't use cheap condoms and also use the KY if insertion becomes a bit "difficult"

I gotta say, if a single broken condom freaks you out, you're in the wrong hobby.

[QUOTE=Indrid Cold]
..... I do not go there only because girls or women. I want see a lot from the island.....
[/QUOTE]

MmmmmmmmmBULSH..mmmmmm.. :D :D :D.

Don't worry too much, if you contracted anything chances are it will just be Chlamydia, which is often asymptomatic, but shouldn't be left unchecked. It is easily treatable with a week's course of Doxycycline (or similar).

If you bareback, or break a connie, more than a few times you will almost definitely pick up a dose of this beautiful bacterium.

Regular BB folk must be permanantly hooked on antibiotics.

Read this: [url]http://www.google.co.th/search?hl=th&q=chlamydia[/url]

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Don't worry too much, if you contracted anything chances are it will just be Chlamydia, which is often asymptomatic, but shouldn't be left unchecked. It is easily treatable with a week's course of Doxycycline (or similar).

If you bareback, or break a connie, more than a few times you will almost definitely pick up a dose of this beautiful bacterium.

Regular BB folk must be permanantly hooked on antibiotics.

Read this: [url]http://www.google.co.th/search?hl=th&q=chlamydia[/url][/QUOTE]I see. The last time I was checked I tested positive for Gonorrhea but who knows by now? I have taken so many diffrent antibiotics that nothing works any more.

[quote=johnson994]i see. the last time i was checked i tested positive for gonorrhea but who knows by now? i have taken so many diffrent antibiotics that nothing works any more.[/quote]

that's why you should have taken a double treatment for both clamydia and gonorrhea anyway. like coma said the big problem of clamydia is that sometime is asymptomatic .in case you don't have symptoms the only way to find out if you get clamydia is the urethral swab test and a blood test.despite clamydia is not a virus it produces antibodies (igg,igm).for the first time vd's catcher (not my case) calmydia will show itself with symptoms like light swab (in the morning) , hitching sensation in the urethra and burning when [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111][CodeWord111][/url].best antibiotics for killing clamydia belong to macrolides family : erythromycin,azythromycin,iosamycin,roxithromicin.....commercial brand name : zythromax,erythrocyn,iosalide,rulid,etc....
dosage : 600 mg. on empty stomach every 6 hours for 2 weeks and you will kill clamydia straight away !! i know it very well, trust me.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight]Dosage: 600 mg. on empty stomach every 6 hours for 2 weeks and you will kill Clamydia straight away!! I know it very well, trust me.[/QUOTE]That'd kill it for sure, but perhaps a bit excessive, you'd probably puke dropping that much into any empty tummy.

Better off with 100MG Doxy, twice a day, after meals, for 7-10 days.

But, even better off, going to the doctor instead of listening to Marco and myself, despite our brilliance.

To be honest, those guys who bareback regularly are asking for trouble. But it isn't them I pity, it's the poor girls that they go with. What they are giving to the girls is far more disturbing than what they may catch from the girls.

I'd imagine that a lot of barebackers also do so because it is already too late, and they have nothing left to lose (which kind of makes them murderers).

I know several ex-hookers who learnt the hard way- the very hard way.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]
I know several ex-hookers who learnt the hard way- the very hard way.[/QUOTE]

That's another reason avoiding madness.I Never , ever hit something without protection since very long time.

For as much talk that gogo girls are safer than SWs or beerbar girls I am not especially inpressed with their desire to use condoms. My friend had three instances and I had one on the last trip where the gogo girls didn't plan to use condoms. We insisted on it, but there are plenty of guys who don't have that self-control and would go in anyway. The blood tests of the gogo girls would hopefully pick up an HIV case, but after weeks or months have elapsed. Who knows how many more guys she would bareback with.

Sajer

I heard erectile disfunction or impotence is the signal for heart disease. I am still in mid 30's, but I have so much erection problems in recent years. Now I can only get up 50% or less of the times. Or sometimes I will get erection but by the time I insert it into a woman it shrinks again. I do not have any psychological problem or any stress problem. I still get horny all the time but my son doesn't perform all the time. Is this a possible indication of heart disease?

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]I heard erectile disfunction or impotence is the signal for heart disease. I am still in mid 30's, but I have so much erection problems in recent years. Now I can only get up 50% or less of the times. Or sometimes I will get erection but by the time I insert it into a woman it shrinks again. I do not have any psychological problem or any stress problem. I still get horny all the time but my son doesn't perform all the time. Is this a possible indication of heart disease?[/QUOTE]


This seems like an odd place to ask for information on this subject. If you are worried why dont you see your doctor? I would think it would be worth the money to find out.

How can you really determine that you do not have psychological problems? You could be loony as a toon and the loonieness masks the awareness that you are loony.

Best of luck to you and your son.
Horatio

You are correct that impotence can be a sign of cardiac problems. Afterall, Viagra's famous affect was an accidental discovery while testing as a heart med. A check up might be good for your piece of mind, which might also help your "son".

"Ditto" on the good luck.

FD

RCA

You should get checked up fast. It could be a side effect of diabetes also.

Good luck

RCA - and if you are a bit overweight and thirsty all the time, it is also a possible sign of diabetes (mostly the thirst - the weight is the precursor).

One of the main issues with diabetes is the deterioration of blood vessels to the legs and eyes and many undiagnosed diabetics die from resultant circulatory heart problems.

You aren't describing having libido problems - just physical "issues". A blood test is quick and cheap. GO TALK TO A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL If you are in Thailand, the test won't cost more than maybe 400B and probably not that much

Hi guys,

I have a couple of questions:

Using a condom and assuming it doesn't brake, am I 100% safe of getting HIV and other diseases?

I'm also thinking of situations like when I am actually removing the condom, my hands will of course touch the condom and whatever tiny trace of blood might be on it, and I might touch a part of my body where I might have a small wound or scratch. Would this be enough to be in the risk zone?

Does anybody know what the statistics say about a guy getting HIV from a girl during normal intercourse? I've heard that it is very low chance of getting HIV as a guy just thru normal intercourse.

I'm going to thailand soon and I have been reading on this forum for quite a while now, and as I'm single and traveling alone I'm up for all kinds of adventures by night - except if it includes the slightest chance of getting infected.

I might be paranoid and too concered about my health - true or not I always get infected by all kinds of viruses - if someone at work is sick, I probably will get the same thing he/she has a couple of days later. That is - my immune system is probably not very good!

As you can guess I have very little experience with prostitutes, mainly because of these concerns.

Slim

[QUOTE=Slim72]Hi guys,

I have a couple of questions:

Using a condom and assuming it doesn't brake, am I 100% safe of getting HIV and other diseases?

I'm also thinking of situations like when I am actually removing the condom, my hands will of course touch the condom and whatever tiny trace of blood might be on it, and I might touch a part of my body where I might have a small wound or scratch. Would this be enough to be in the risk zone?

Does anybody know what the statistics say about a guy getting HIV from a girl during normal intercourse? I've heard that it is very low chance of getting HIV as a guy just thru normal intercourse.

I'm going to thailand soon and I have been reading on this forum for quite a while now, and as I'm single and traveling alone I'm up for all kinds of adventures by night - except if it includes the slightest chance of getting infected.

I might be paranoid and too concered about my health - true or not I always get infected by all kinds of viruses - if someone at work is sick, I probably will get the same thing he/she has a couple of days later. That is - my immune system is probably not very good!

As you can guess I have very little experience with prostitutes, mainly because of these concerns.

Slim[/QUOTE]Mate,

I do not think you are being paranoid. The risks are there. Anyone who plays the P4P game would be kidding himself if he did not acknowledge the risks.

If you are concerned, there are plenty of places where you can get an oily massage and HJ only.

Condoms? I have had them break. It happens, and can be damned scary.

Odds getting HIV when a condom does not break? Slim, but still possible.

One last option is the Thai Red Cross Anonymous Clinic just off Lumpini park and Soi Sarasin. HIV tests there with results in 20 minutes. You could bring a girl there if someting were to go wrong, or even before. At least you would know that she is HIV - (assuming this is the case). But of course the incubation period is 90 days, so you would only know her HIV history up until the 90 days you brought her there with you.

Slim72,

if you are worried that your condom might break then use some lubricant.
Friction is the dead off every condom, so put some lubricant on your best part and lots of it on the condom. That way the condom won't break even if you fuck for hours (already tested :))

RCA,

Being that I am a certified lunatic that has lost his certification documents, maybe I can help you in diagnosing your problem.

Go out and buy yourself some porn or dig some old porn out of your closet. Once you've got the new or old porn in hand, take a gander at it while Spanking-Your-Monkey (masturbating) with the other hand. If you can spank your way to a fully erect orgasm then your erection problem is psychological.

The moral of the story can be stated thusly: an orgasm in hand is better than none in the bush, but at the same time (at least for most of us), the one in the bush can be gotten once all else is forgotten.

poster

P.S. I advise you to heed the advice given by others and get your blood checked. Not only can a blood analysis diagnose diabeties, it can identify liver problems, HIV, and a plethora of other physical problems.

And on a side note, many times after hearing the Doc say, "All system are operating at spec", many people stop having the symptons they thought they were having in the first place. Or put another way, being aware of (factual) reality goes a long way toward dispelling rumors, myths, ghosts, and many other nonexistent supernatural anomalies.

Thanks for all the advices on erectile disfunction. I tried the masterbation method. And I discovered that I can get up almost all the times by hand job myself and achieve ejaculation. And also I forgot to mention in last post that I can always get erect from some to full extend when sex with several of my steady non-pro girls that I do not use condom with.

I will check out my blood pressure and blood analysis to make sure. I am 182cm and always in range 68-71 kilos, quite thin. I start to wonder if I am just too bored of having sex with all these Thai hookers with all the condoms and no kissing and without any emotional excitement for all these years.

Has anyone experience this "bored of pay money sex syndrome" in Thailand??
and your son started not to react to these hookers anymore??

[QUOTE=RCA Knight] Has anyone experience this "bored of pay money sex syndrome" in Thailand?? and your son started not to react to these hookers anymore??[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. On this last trip. If I wasn't hang'n with fellow ISG mongers like 1ball and Traveler (and was it Taz Marine?), I was bored outta my head. Spent more nights in my room with good take out food and bad TV than bar hopping.

I will go back to BNK for dental work, but for mongering, it's time for me to find some new places.

FD

I have to agree with FD and RCA on this one. The fun part, for me at least is looking for Miss Right Now. The actual act, I have found, is becoming more and more mechanical impersonal, and dull. I used to DFK, and DATY, but no more. So it pretty much boils down to BJ, slide on the raincoat, and start pumping. After 90 minutes or so of banging away, I feel like turning on CNN. :D
So, what to do about it ?

Hello everyone on this forum,

First of all, let me thany you all for your advices. It is educational for newbies like me. I have one question for you all. I am kind a guy who like to lick and suck pussies but after reading all this safe sex reports I am wondering whether is it safe thing to do in Thailand. I am planing to visit to Pattaya in early of next year for first time, I would really appreciate your inputs.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Moore2003]I am kind a guy who like to lick and suck pussies but after reading all this safe sex reports I am wondering whether is it safe thing to do in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I've eaten about a billion pussies and assholes, and have never caught anything worse than that-weird-coating-your-mouth-gets that can be cured with Listerine. I've always assumed it was from eating yeast-infected pussies.

Apparently Gonorrhea of the throat is possible, as I've often been throat-swabbed to check for it.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Thanks for all the advices on erectile disfunction. I tried the masterbation method. And I discovered that I can get up almost all the times by hand job myself and achieve ejaculation. And also I forgot to mention in last post that I can always get erect from some to full extend when sex with several of my steady non-pro girls that I do not use condom with.

I will check out my blood pressure and blood analysis to make sure. I am 182cm and always in range 68-71 kilos, quite thin. I start to wonder if I am just too bored of having sex with all these Thai hookers with all the condoms and no kissing and without any emotional excitement for all these years.

Has anyone experience this "bored of pay money sex syndrome" in Thailand?
and your son started not to react to these hookers anymore??[/QUOTE]Yes, I have. Reading your post I thought: Oh man, who is writing about my private, personal experiences?

Exact all the things you are writing about happend to me before. I have been to Thailand more than 10x before and sometimes I was bored about the behavior of most of the bargirls, about: "Hello, handsome man, sit down, come inside me" and so on and on. Getting laid with one of them in my room or a shorttime place there was no personal emotion coming from her. Most of them are just doing their business. I can't get angry about that but me and my friend between my legs are missing something. And so it happened that my friend could not do what I came for.

Some hours later, staying alone, I erected him by myself and everything worked (but without a girl staying with me).

Today I'm leaving for Thld. and I'm wondering what will happen to me this time.

Maa Paa

Maa Paa, I can definitely relate. But for me, 10mg of Levitra solves the problem completely. I don't need it for non P4P sex, especially with someone I trust enough to not use a Condom - I never have this issue. And I don't need it when I use my own right hand. But when I P4P with a raincoat on, Junior often doesn't get excited enough on his own. Levitra cures this completely for me.

I agree with Coma. I, too, enjoy "chowing down" and have for years throughout SE Asia. I've never had anything orally. Take the advice from our self appointed "do gooders" and alarmists with a grain of salt. I am not opposed to safe sex, but sometimes the rantings here would lead you to believe that if you leave your hotel without a condom on you're gonna die ! Relax and have fun (with some common sense).

FD

[QUOTE=Maa Paa]Today I'm leaving for Thld. and I'm wondering what will happen to me this time.

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]

Although I can't say I experienced the same feeling, I did get somewhat close to it, and it scared me...

However, the last 3 bar / go-go girls I've been with, last trip, simply said, gave me the feeling they liked me. So there was none of the no-kissing thing.

Actually, one of them seemed to be not very exited in bed, which is why I won't look for her again. But with the other two, it was fun in and out of the sack.

What I'm saying, basically, is look for a girl that likes you. It might be hard, given the amount of acting lessons some of them take ;-) but it's worth it!

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]I've eaten about a billion pussies and assholes[/QUOTE]
Now That's tellin it like it is!

[QUOTE=Firedick]Take the advice from our self appointed "do gooders" and alarmists with a grain of salt. I am not opposed to safe sex, but sometimes the rantings here would lead you to believe that if you leave your hotel without a condom on you're gonna die ! Relax and have fun (with some common sense).
FD[/QUOTE]

In this time and age people have a tough time dealing with the very concept of risk. There is risk in everything we do (walking, driving, eating, etc.) but we hate the idea of taking a risk.

Is there a risk in engaging in intercourse with a promiscuous Thai lady? Of course there is. Is the risk high? Depends.

There are three areas of sex-related risk: pregnancy, STD and HIV. All three can be drastically reduced to the point of becoming negligible by practising safe sex (as in using condoms sensibly). Oral practices are generally considered as low risk behavior.

Risk management means also selecting the P4P TG to reduce the risk. A young lady fresh from the farm will be a much lower risk factor than a zombie from Beach Road in Pattaya.

Like others reported, in 15 years of mongering in Thailand I have never caught anything harmful, although it is true that in recent years I have reduced my sex-related activity in LOS more than I wanted.

I believe that if you are healthy yourself, pick visibly healthy sex partners and exercise some level of common sense in risk management, you can reduce the risk inherent to our hobby to very manageable levels.

It’s called oral-pharyngeal gonorrhea, and usually denotes a strong strain.


[QUOTE=Coma Boy]I've eaten about a billion pussies and assholes, and have never caught anything worse than that-weird-coating-your-mouth-gets that can be cured with Listerine. I've always assumed it was from eating yeast-infected pussies.

Apparently Gonorrhea of the throat is possible, as I've often been throat-swabbed to check for it.[/QUOTE]

experiences, and it gets more pronounced as you get older. I prefer one that kisses and does the full GFE thing, always works for me. I’ve been lucky on my recent trips; I seem to find a nicely compatible gal….

[QUOTE=Maa Paa]Yes, I have. Reading your post I thought: Oh man, who is writing about my private, personal experiences?

Exact all the things you are writing about happend to me before. I have been to Thailand more than 10x before and sometimes I was bored about the behavior of most of the bargirls, about: "Hello, handsome man, sit down, come inside me" and so on and on. Getting laid with one of them in my room or a shorttime place there was no personal emotion coming from her. Most of them are just doing their business. I can't get angry about that but me and my friend between my legs are missing something. And so it happened that my friend could not do what I came for.

Some hours later, staying alone, I erected him by myself and everything worked (but without a girl staying with me).

Today I'm leaving for Thld. and I'm wondering what will happen to me this time.

Maa Paa[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Anon Sailor]It’s called oral-pharyngeal gonorrhea, and usually denotes a strong strain.[/QUOTE]It sounds particularly unpleasant.

I've never caught Gonorrhea in any form, yet a friend of mine has had it twice in the last two months, plus once in the throat.

No doubt it's possible to catch a whole host of nasties. I love riding motorcycles. Am I going to give it up cause it's inherently dangerous ? No. We make our choices and accept the consequenses. That's what adults do.

FD

Can you get generic Viagra -Penegra, Kamagra, and Caeverta- from any pharmacy on Sukhumvit around Nana and Soi Cowboy? I'm concerned about using the [url]www.rx-mex.net[/url] from the land of the free.

Guys,

I have a funny feeling when I am readng through the posts here which I shall explain why. I was at LOS about 1.5 month ago with a Thai WL. She is healthy looking, petite and her pussy has no foul smell what so ever. Out we went for a night out at some disco and once we reach my room, in the midst of sexual excitement and presence of alcohol, we did it bare.

After about 3 weeks I beginning to experience the classic symptoms of Chlamydia, and my full STD report confirms it. Now this is a rather easy to clear STD: a 1-day dose of Zithromax, also the symptoms are not that nasty. I just got it cleared about a week ago.

I have been mongering for about 5 years now and never have I gotten anything from eating pussy, BBBJ and FK. I am quite certain I got it from her cause she was my only partner for the last 2 months and did it bare too. She is about 25 and has been in the business for about 2 years.

My points here are:
- Just because the TG looks younger, clean and healthy and does not smell, I would not put my money on her NOT carrying any STD. In fact, Hepatitis A and B, which are not STD per se, are more infectious than HIV and some other STD. (Chlamydia is more of a STD cause the germs live in semen fluid and vaginal fluid, thus it is usually transferred during non protected intercourse and not just kissing.)

- For my part I do think oral sex (DATY, BJ, FK...) has lower STD risk factor.

- As cliche as it gets, guys, wear your condom! :)

- Lastly, clean up thoroughly before and after every battle! (Advice from my Chlamydia doctor :D)

Kick ass and be cool,
Kaki (Legs in Malay)

[QUOTE=Kaki]Guys,

I have a funny feeling when I am readng through the posts here which I shall explain why. I was at LOS about 1.5 month ago with a Thai WL. She is healthy looking, petite and her pussy has no foul smell what so ever. Out we went for a night out at some disco and once we reach my room, in the midst of sexual excitement and presence of alcohol, we did it bare.

My points here are:
- Just because the TG looks younger, clean and healthy and does not smell, I would not put my money on her NOT carrying any STD. In fact, Hepatitis A and B, which are not STD per se, are more infectious than HIV and some other STI. (Almost all Chlamydia cases are thorugh sexual contact, cause the germs live in semen fluid and vaginal fluid.)

- For my part I do think oral sex (DATY, BJ, FK...) has lower STD risk factor.

- As cliche as it gets, guys, wear your condom! :)

- Lastly, clean up thoroughly before and after every battle! (Advice from my Chlamydia doctor :D)

Kick ass and be cool,
Kaki (Legs in Malay)[/QUOTE]


Every monger should at the very least get both Hep B and Hep A vaccinations. Chances of getting both are higher than STD, whether you're covered or not. Eating out, french kissing are just very easy ways of transmission.

In the states and most Asian countries, hep b vaccine is given as a routine to all newborns. So why wouldn't you protect yourself?
As a life long carrier of hep B (pre-natal transmission), take my word for it - you don't want to contract either!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Every monger should at the very least get both Hep B and Hep A vaccinations. Chances of getting both are higher than STD, whether you're covered or not. Eating out, french kissing are just very easy ways of transmission.

In the states and most Asian countries, hep b vaccine is given as a routine to all newborns. So why wouldn't you protect yourself?
As a life long carrier of hep B (pre-natal transmission), take my word for it - you don't want to contract either![/QUOTE]

Traveler1234 is spot on.

These are not really STD per se as I have said, and it is 100 times easier to contract than HIV. Unfortunately I was not jabbed with these 2 vaccines although I am asian...so I just pay for them. Hehe.

Kaki

OK I had a friend who just came back from thailand and told me that this story happened to him and It sounds a bit strange to me so I would like some input as to if this was real or not.

My friend picked this SW up outside a local bar and took her back to his room for some nightly fun via a resteraunt. They both had some food and something to drink. He got back to the hotel and about 10 minutes into the event he felt a bit drained ( no pun here guys ), next thing he knew it was 14 hours later and he was about 1000 usd lighter.

One of his friends told him that he had been ruffied and rolled.

Now I have not heard this happeneing in thailand and I am not sure that he is just saying this because he spent too much money and is ashamed to say so after a week there or its true.

his friend told him that it happens regularly and that ruffies are available over the counter, which seems a bit strange to me but hey thats why I am here cause I dont know and I am asking you guys.
your comments?? ......

[QUOTE=Deep Diver]OK I had a friend who just came back from thailand and told me that this story happened to him and It sounds a bit strange to me so I would like some input as to if this was real or not.

My friend picked this SW up outside a local bar and took her back to his room for some nightly fun via a resteraunt. They both had some food and something to drink. He got back to the hotel and about 10 minutes into the event he felt a bit drained ( no pun here guys ), next thing he knew it was 14 hours later and he was about 1000 usd lighter.

One of his friends told him that he had been ruffied and rolled.

Now I have not heard this happeneing in thailand and I am not sure that he is just saying this because he spent too much money and is ashamed to say so after a week there or its true.

his friend told him that it happens regularly and that ruffies are available over the counter, which seems a bit strange to me but hey thats why I am here cause I dont know and I am asking you guys.
your comments?? ......[/QUOTE]Sounds very much like something that happened to me last summer. Too much to drink and already had fun with short-timer from Soi Zero. Around 2 in the morning decided to check out Nana parking lot. Brought two back to room at Majestic Grande Hotel. Showers, beers, a little fooling around. Next thing I know it is 6 pm the next day (actually I guess the same day -- but was 16 hours later), alone in hotel, camera gone, jewelry gone, 2,000 in US travelers checks gone. Wallet with US$ and Thai baht untouched for some reason, and I was able to get travelers checks replaced. Big, big bummer, but could have been worse.

[QUOTE=Deep Diver]Now I have not heard this happeneing in Thailand...[/QUOTE]It happens all the time. And not just in TH, all over SE-Asia.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]It happens all the time. And not just in TH, all over SE-Asia.[/QUOTE]

It's not the first I've heard of it either - and as you say, Coma, not just in LOS.

Exactly why I do not carry with me excess cash. When in hotels, I lock the balance in the safe; when here at home (BKK), have locking drawers where I keep cash, cameras, etc.

But sorry to hear of another episode....

The only time someone attempted to drug me it just gave me an intense and very weird high.

I stayed conscious through the sex, had the girl leave, and then for some reason wandered the streets in a daze and somehow arrived back home and passed out. Felt very strange for the next 24 hours.

I guess it is a good idea to practice taking such drugs recreationally so as to build up a slight immunity.

Coma,

"I guess it is a good idea to practice taking such drugs recreationally so as to build up a slight immunity."

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Deep Diver,

Was 'your friend' also taken for a ride by some guys who claimed they knew where to play a cardgame with nuttin' but gain?

ah, yes, "safety" from a "short term perspective"

(cb - this is not intended at you, just responding to the "premise")

as to robbery - personally, i use a motion sensitive 120db computer theft alarm that would wake the entire floor so someone would notice what was happening (aside from the fact that i also put "cash" into the lockbox - so it's safe there)

i don't quite understand some folks - if you have concerns about drugging, you don't drink anything you haven't opened then you drink it all and another party never gets their hands on it. (particularly important when dealing with 3-somes) it's either that or have her take a drink first (find some simple excuse to offer it to her. if she won't drink it - caveat emptor). i seem to recall some discussion long ago and far away about rohyphenol (the "date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drug" - the "mickey finn" - might have munged the spelling) on tits where you would get a knockout dose when you licked (easily cured, of course, by "ap-nam duay" - make sure you well wash anything you want to lick)

too much thinking with the "little head" - and as to the guy who got "rolled" for the 40000b ($1000us) why was he so stupid as to be toting that much cash anyway? undoubtedly, he was also dealing with a beach road lady (no contact info, no work location, no longer in pattaya after departure (at least for the following month or so)) if i get rolled, they will get at most 3000b (mostly in small bills - that's the most i tote at one time, usually less) plus my cyber-dictionary (if they want it), maybe my laptop if i am carrying it and didn't lock it up (yeah, it's the potentially "expensive" loss, maybe $750 us) and whatever clothes they want to carry (assuming they get by the audio alarm and hit the "clean" bag instead of the "laundry" bag) of course, i doubt that most would wnat anything "large" - it makes them too "obvious". another option is to take a picture of her and her id and then lock up the camera - at least then there would be a "starting point".

at least it doesn't happen that frequently. (or in any event isn't reported that frequently)

This Soi 33 BG can be found at The Office. She has herpes and claims she takes holiday when she is in outbreak, which is false. She speaks perfect English and has many sending her money. Someone on this site could be the next victim. Just warning fellow mongers. Peace.

[QUOTE=Wilpower]This Soi 33 BG can be found at The Office. She has herpes and claims she takes holiday when she is in outbreak, which is false. She speaks perfect English and has many sending her money. Someone on this site could be the next victim. Just warning fellow mongers. Peace.[/QUOTE]Will I spoke to Bob at The Office recently and she is MIA.

[QUOTE=Pedro Chilli]13/11/2005 12:02:50 PM
( Source: Reuters)
Man claims to have beaten HIV virus
LONDON (Reuters) - A man claimed on Sunday to be the first person to become clear of the HIV virus, which can lead to AIDS, after earlier testing positive for it.
[/QUOTE]

This is interesting. An individual was tested positive for antibodies that are linked to HIV and later was tested negative. There are two ways to explain this.

a. This fortunate individual owns a body that has been able to eradicate singlehandedly not only the deadly virus for which there is no known cure, but also all trace of the antibodies to that virus that made him test positive in the first place.

b. The HIV tests are unreliable.

In science, the easiest explanation is often the best one. In all fairness, if the second test had been run consecutively rather than after a long time, this would have been called a "false positive" and the lucky guy would hav been told he was OK right away.

The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription.

There is definitely something fishy about the whole AIDS theory.

Here's the story:

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4432564.stm[/url]

He must be fucking happy.

Seydlitz,

"The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription."

So 20 million (source: Elsevier) aids deaths in Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Cambodia and other extremely poor countries were all caused by very expensive 'dreadful drug cocktails'?
You are kidding, right:(?

[QUOTE=Freeler]Seydlitz,
So 20 million (source: Elsevier) aids deaths in Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Cambodia and other extremely poor countries were all caused by very expensive 'dreadful drug cocktails'?
You are kidding, right:(?[/QUOTE]

You are totally right. Deaths in the Third World cannot be attibuted to tritherapies atc. But AIDS in the Third World is a different thing than in the rich countries, if only in definitions. My comment was appropriate only for us rich boys.

In the US, you need two Elisa and one WB test positive to be HIV positive. In the Third World as per the WHO definition agreed upon at the Bangui Conference, no need for tests; you only need clinical symptoms (fever, dysenteria, etc.). Unfortunately these symptoms are regrettably common in Africa and elsewhere.

It is likely though that if tests were administered to African patients many too would turn positivee, but that would not mean much since their bodies are loaded with antibodies for hosts of tropical diseases.

My point here is not that AIDS does not exist nor that HIV causes it , just that the antibody tests are non-specific, and therefore unreliable. Let's not turn this into an AIDS debate, just one on the tests.

As a matter of considerable surprise for most people, AIDS in Africa is a different thing since it is non-gender specific (50% male and 50% female victims), while AIDS in the US and Europe never broke out to the general population and remains confined to the initial risk groups. I am talking of AIDS cases, not HIV infections.

[QUOTE=Seydlitz]This is interesting. An individual was tested positive for antibodies that are linked to HIV and later was tested negative. There are two ways to explain this.

a. This fortunate individual owns a body that has been able to eradicate singlehandedly not only the deadly virus for which there is no known cure, but also all trace of the antibodies to that virus that made him test positive in the first place.

b. The HIV tests are unreliable.

In science, the easiest explanation is often the best one. In all fairness, if the second test had been run consecutively rather than after a long time, this would have been called a "false positive" and the lucky guy would hav been told he was OK right away.

The real problem with accepting that the tests are unreliable is that those possibly worthless tests are the only reason why people are diagnosed HIV positive and submitted to dreadful drug cocktails that are likely to destroy one's immune system as effectively as HIV itself is supposed to do it. This is called AIDS by prescription.

There is definitely something fishy about the whole AIDS theory.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that’s interesting, but let’s not forget that this case was diagnosed by the British NHS, one of the most disorganised and inefficient health services in the industrialized world, so I find it hardly surprising.

Chances are the tests were flawed when he first tested positive and that went unnoticed by the NHS till one year later. There are a number of reasons why an HIV test can fail, especially in the NHS, where blunders abound.

Think of it this way: What is more likely: a blunder by the British NHS or that this Scottish guy has an immune system capable of destroying, for the first time in medical history, the HIV virus?

Few years ago there was a report about certain people in Africa (women, I believe) who tested positive for HIV antibodies but never got the disease itself. I forgot who published the report but I am sure googling will find it.

Duniawalla,

Yeah, hookers in Kenya.
Guess why that story died...:(

Seydlitz, Freeler, Duni, Gladiator,

the ELISA test is usually used for AIDS/HIV tests. The ELISA is very sensitive but not very specific, therefore a positiv result doesn't necessarily mean to really have been infected with the HIV virus.

To verify the result a more specific test is made, which doesn't look for antibodies like the ELISA but for the DNS/DNA of the virus itself. If you test positiv this time you are definately infected.

The mentioned case refers to a British guy who tested postiv in May 2002. 14 months later he tested negative but he refused to show up again at the hospital for further tests.

BTW, the statement of the hospital that "they hadn't made any mistakes" at the first test is just a result of the interference of the guys lawyers. This guy tried to sue the hospital for false testing. Only after that attempt the hospital ensured everybody that their first test was ok.

Regarding African women (mostly from Kenya) who had unprotected sex with HIV infected men and didn't got infected :
Doctors believe that a gene - which was detected in the mid 90's - for a protein named CCRS might be responsible for it. The HIV virus needs this protein to enter a human body cell. People who carry a modified version of this molecule seem to have at least a limited protection against HIV.

Traveler,

As far as I understand, the ELISA test (patented by the very same Dr. Gallo who "discovered AIDS if I remember well) is administered first. If negative, you are OK. If positive, you get a second ELISA. If negative, you are OK. That is a "false positive. If positive, you get a Western Blot test. If negative, you are OK, false positie again, if you are positive, then you are HIV-positive.

The WB test is an antibody test too, but more sensitive. This is a cut and paste of [url]http://www.msichicago.org/ed/AIDS/hivtst3.htm[/url].

"The problem is that some proteins found in HIV are similar to proteins found in other infectious agents. As a result, just because something in the serum binds to a protein from HIV does not necessarily mean that HIV is present. For this reason, the Western Blot is more accurate than the ELISA test because it can indicate what, exactly, is binding to what. However, the ELISA test is easier and less expensive and can detect infection earlier. In combination, the two tests make a good team."

And also:

"In this [the WB] test, the proteins of HIV are laid out vertically, from largest to smallest, on a strip of film. Serum is added and any existing HIV antibodies will bind to the HIV antigens. A detection enzyme is then added, which latches on to the antibodies. Finally, a chemical is added that changes color when it comes into contact with the protein-antibody-enzyme layers. This multi-layer process is similar to that of the ELISA test. However, the final result is a unique series of shaded bands.

Interpretation of the Western Blot can be complicated, but a good rule of thumb is the "3 band rule": If three or more bands appear, there is solid evidence that antibodies to HIV have been detected. If one or two bands appear, the test is considered indeterminate. If a patient with an indeterminate test has engaged in high risk behavior, another test should be conducted in six months."

I am only aware of one other test that is conducted, the so called viral load test (the PCR test by Roche for example), but that is mostly for people who are diagnosed with AIDS, in order to monitor the progress of their current treatment. There are two kinds of viral load tests (PCR and bDNA). They both measure the amount of HIV RNA in a sample. (RNA being the "blueprint" that HIV uses to make more virus.) When comparing viral load test results to determine a trend, the same type of test must be used each time.

This is all high level bioscience, but as far as I read in various places, unfortunately the HIV virus has never really been fully isolated, and cannot be cultured in vitro to this day. The best work done in hat area was by Gallo's team in the early days, and they had to mix samples serums from several people to get a result that would be useable.

In all logic, in the absence of a true "golden standard", ie. a pure form of the virus that satisfies Koch's 3 postulates, there can be no test that is specific (ie detecting that virus and only that virus), and therefore no reliable test, be it one testing for antibodies, or even one testing for the RNA of the virus.

And then of course that does not help the debate about whether HIV truly exists (there are lots of retroviruses after all, all harmless to us except that one), and whether it can actually produce AIDS, alone or together with something else (a more and more attractive proposition).

It is allright to stick to the official gospel, but if you have an open and curious mind, you start reading, and thinking by yourself, and then it does not seem to add up so well. Nothing seems so sure, and a lot of things seem weird.

Seydlitz,

absolutely correct.

ELISA is used for other kinds of tests as well. It can be "trimmed" for other kinds of infections. It is extremely sensitive but not very specific, just as you say. The more specific test is not always made with the WB, sometimes other tests are used which discover some strains of the DNA/DNS of the virus itself, not just the antibodies. But if the WB is used it is exactly as you say.

I don't want to discuss if HIV exists or not. I find that discussion very stupid. The millions of dead people should be prove enough, at least they are for me. I guess some people are just looking for an excuse to keep going with their risky behaviour. Sex is one of these things were people and their behaviour are merely driven by emotions than by a rational diagnosis. If guys have a prob with condoms (some have and can't get a hard on due to lack of sensitivity) they look for an excuse or try to lie to themselves. I prefer to be rather "safe than sorry".

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[QUOTE=Dinghy]I suppose he just wanted a "free" porn site access. As long as he doesn't come back....[/QUOTE]

I agree with Coma Boy on this. Pure SPAM. Reported it, too.

Hi,

Just came home from Thailand and before the trip I thought I wouldn't go with a prostitute down there.

But things turned out differently.

I'm freaked out about getting HIV, but when drunk I obviously don't think about that.

I met one girl in Koh Samui, she was 28 and spoke some english. After turning down offers from all beatiful girls down there for a week, this one was sitting alone and drinking a beer and looked bored. I was drunk and decided to cheer her up.

She did cheer up and we talked for 2 hours or so, and when the sun came up she asked me if I wanted to see her place.

Sure, I thought, and we went to her place, and t didn't take long before she started seducing me and well, we had sex.

For quite a time I may add, since I have a hard problem cumming when Im drunk.
We used protection, but not when she went down on me, and at some point she stuck her finger in my mouth, which she just had in her pussy.

There was no payment involved, she told me she wa bored and that she just wanted to sleep with someone for once who was young and fit.

I asked her how she earned money and she said she searched for farang boyfriends who could give her money.

Naive as I was, I didn't think she was a hooker before she told me that.Anyway, then she drove me back to my hotel.

Also in bangkok I met one girl late one night from cambodja who was 35. About the same story there. We talked for a while, and she came back with me to my hotel and we had sex. Protected of course, but when she went down on me she removed the comdom.

No payment involved here either a we hit it off very good and she probably thought I would stay longer (I left thailand the next day).

Now Im freaked out about getting HIV. I've read 1 million ppl out of what, 60 million, has HIV in Thailand.

Don't even want to think of what the stats says about Cambodja...

I asked the last girl if she had any diseases I should know about and she laughed and said "no, just got tested. Get tested every 3 months".

Of course, she may have lied.

The first girl however, I didn't ask.

Seeing all ppl here reporting having had sex with many many thaigirls without catching anything untreatable has calmed my mind a bit, and I dont have any symptoms (yet) of having anything, except being jetlagged and sunburned.

What do you guys think, am I overstressed about this or do you think I have made a serious mistake of letting them get down on me unprotected?

Slim

[QUOTE=Wilpower]This Soi 33 BG can be found at The Office. She has herpes and claims she takes holiday when she is in outbreak, which is false. She speaks perfect English and has many sending her money. Someone on this site could be the next victim. Just warning fellow mongers. Peace.[/QUOTE]Here is a better picture of Kate.

Plenty of these young starlets have Herpes. Nowhere near as many as those with Chlamydia but still plenty.

The things to be aware of with Herpes are that you don't want to be around during outbreak time, and that it is just as easy to catch around your mouth as it is on your wiener.

When bar-girls want to turn off the lights, this isn't always due to repulsion or shyness. Let the buyer beware.

Slim72,

calm down.

As far as I know the number of HIV infected people is much less than the number you mentioned. And the probability of contracting HIV through an uncovered BJ is not very big, even though it is above null.

Girls are usually more in danger than men. The surface of their vagina is much bigger as of your penis and it's more sensitive to injuries. Furthermore the virus load in saliva is muss less than in ejaculate and again the surface within the mouth is much bigger than of your penis and also more sensitive to injuries.

Don't get me wrong, I don't say that going unprotected bears a small risk - protect yourself and your partners - but no need to freak out.

What I do not understand is, if you are really so worried, why did you allow them to give you an unprotected BJ ?
Don't say you were drunk ! If you loose your self-control when being drunk then don't drink or at least not as much as you obviously did.

007sam,

how do you know that she is a herpes carrier ?
Did you contracted it by her or do you only try to pay her back by outing her ?

Guess we all are quite grateful for such an info, but only if it's correct and not some sort of personal war.

[QUOTE=The Traveler]007sam,

how do you know that she is a herpes carrier ?
Did you contracted it by her or do you only try to pay her back by outing her ?

Guess we all are quite grateful for such an info, but only if it's correct and not some sort of personal war.[/QUOTE]I have no reason to give anything but the facts, it is a 100% fact. I have no need to defend myself, just giving out the factual info.

i had a little skin peeling off from the shaft of the penis. i was thinking could it be some fungus or some allergy reaction to condom or the worst scenario std. but it was not obvious at all so left it for few weeks not taking any care of it.

some days ago i was eating at amari atrium so decided to make a visit to bangkok hospital in soi soonvijai. the hospital was so nice and modern and it was my first trip so i registered and all the receptionists can speak very good english. then a receptionist took me upstairs to see a docter. tuned out to be an older female dermatologist.

she looked at it for less than 10 seconds and concluded it was condom allergy and shows sign of eczema, no big deal. and prescribed some topical cream and some anti-allergy pills. that's it. cost was 1300 for 30 seconds of check up plus 10 little allergy pills and one small bottle of eczema cream that you can buy in drug store for 30 bahts and 15 bahts.

the only good thing about bangkok hospital is many cutie nurses walking around. and all of them speak good english. i remenbered i went to yanhee hospital last year for some root canal dental work and yanhee has so many cutie nurses that keep me going back even i finished my dental already and i had to find some other problems such as detox or facial cleasing ect to go back there just to chat around with all these cutie nurses. got a few numbers but did not turn into anything exciting. bangkok hospital too has nice high level cutie nurses. but in semitevij hospital, there are many cute young lady docters in the dental and dermatalogy departments that are over scale 8.

okay, about the cost. i have been to bunrumgrad, semitevij, payathai and now bangkok hospital, they are all really expensive. everytime way over 1000 bahts for a simple docter visit. i will never go again for small problems any more. i remember one time i went into chulalornkorn hospital, a public hospital, for some leg pain from over walking. only cost 120 bahts all together with medicine. and the chula hospital doctors can speak good english as well. i will stick to chula hospital for minor problems from now on.

by the way, if you are allergic to latex condom, always wash well after use to get rid of all the chemicals from the latex. then apply some moisture lotion to your penis to supply enough moisture to prevent over drying and flaking. then eczema can be avoided.

I posted a report with photo for those that
are latex intolerant or just don't like rubber.

Cheers

[QUOTE=RCA Knight]
Okay, about the cost. I have been to Bunrumgrad, Semitevij, Payathai and now Bangkok Hospital, they are all really expensive. Everytime way over 1000 bahts for a simple docter visit. I will never go again for small problems any more. I remember one time I went into Chulalornkorn Hospital, a public hospital, for some leg pain from over walking. Only cost 120 bahts all together with medicine. And the Chula Hospital doctors can speak good English as well. I will stick to Chula Hospital for minor problems from now on.
[/QUOTE]

Back in September, on my flight from HK to Bkk, a crown came loose and luckily I didn't swallow it. As soon as I landed, walked over to BP as I was staying at the Ascot on Soi 4 (gave me a chance to check out the action during the day time).

Up to the dental clinic, 5 minute wait, 30 minute session with dentist (middle age female, spoke excellent English) to clean and put back the crown. Total cost B$1,300....no way I could have gotten that done back in the states on such notice unless it happened on my home turf and with my own dentist.

Pleasantly surprised at level of service and low fees, IMHO.

Here is an interesting conundrum and hope one of my more learned colleagues can assist.

I have to state am a lover of abalone and nothing gives me more pleasure than being able to enjoy a nice session of wandering my tongue in the nehter regions. However after this recent trip I may have to reconsider the wisdom of this.

Came down with a fever and passing it off as usual run of the mill left it for a few days. When I went to the doctor he informed me the tonsils were really inflamed and that had a bacterial throat infection. Normally a course of antimycillin(forgive the incorrect spelling) should have cleared this up. But one week later it is still hammering away.

One of my more witty friends then asked me if i had been going down on any nice young ladies as this could well be the source of the infection.

Any truth in this and does anyone know of a good cure to end this one ? More importantly how to avoid in the future. Once she has all soaped up there is no telling whether or not there is a bacteria lurking in the nether regions.

I look forward to your earnest support

Chalky,

That's a lotta words to say you've been eatin' pussy:)!

If your doctor gave you antimycin, then you apparently have a fungus.
Fungii are easy to get and next to impossible to get rid of. It will just keep on livin' in your throat and every now and then it will make its presence known - time for you to see the doctor.

[QUOTE=007sam]I have no reason to give anything but the facts, it is a 100% fact. I have no need to defend myself, just giving out the factual info.[/QUOTE]
Sam,

that's no answer to my question.
So please tell us, how do you know ?
Got infected by her or what else ?

Thanks

007sam,

got it.

BTW, I didn't ask for any proof (and don't see your PM as proof either) just wanted to know how you knew about it.

Broken Condom!!

So while waiting for a cd to burn, I went into a massage parlour in Pattaya, found a cutie that massaged me. She upselled the boom boom for 1000, a little high but she was sooooo cute. 20 Yrs old.

As soon as she got the money tho, her attitude changed a little. For the worse. Anyway my dick was covered in Oil based lube and I rinsed it off because oil and condoms never go together.

COndom went on and she was happily pounding away. But after 10 secs something didnt feel right and I told her to get off. Condom had broken. I freaked out and ran to the bathroom and rinsed and scrubbed (Not hard) with shampoo and soap. She said she didnt have HIV. That was a little load off my mind.

I have been reading up on the risks, and the risks are low from what I have been reading and plus the short contact. But still listen up pplz.

BRING YOUR OWN CONDOMS AND LUBE!!!!!

[QUOTE=Chalky26]Here is an interesting conundrum and hope one of my more learned colleagues can assist.

I have to state am a lover of abalone and nothing gives me more pleasure than being able to enjoy a nice session of wandering my tongue in the nehter regions. However after this recent trip I may have to reconsider the wisdom of this.

Came down with a fever and passing it off as usual run of the mill left it for a few days. When I went to the doctor he informed me the tonsils were really inflamed and that had a bacterial throat infection. Normally a course of antimycillin(forgive the incorrect spelling) should have cleared this up. But one week later it is still hammering away.

One of my more witty friends then asked me if i had been going down on any nice young ladies as this could well be the source of the infection.

Any truth in this and does anyone know of a good cure to end this one ? More importantly how to avoid in the future. Once she has all soaped up there is no telling whether or not there is a bacteria lurking in the nether regions.

I look forward to your earnest support[/QUOTE]
I'm allergic to penecillin so whenever I got any viral, fungal or bacterial infections, I take propolis, the more concentrated the better. It's a Bee product and is a natural antibiotic, and damn powerful too.

Cheers
Tee Vee

Hi folks

I had some wear and tear issues during my last trip last April. I went to a local (Cincinnati) clinic to get tested about a week ago. Got HIV, Syphilis and Hepatitis tests. All negative. No worries. Keep it wrapped, use lube and shower before and after.

My Doc referred to sex with a sex worker if you use a condom as "pretty low risk".

Just a little something to put your mind to rest in case you are paranoid as I am.

Happy Hunting!

[QUOTE=Fly for Thai]Hi folks

I had some wear and tear issues during my last trip last April. I went to a local (Cincinnati) clinic to get tested about a week ago. Got HIV, Syphilis and Hepatitis tests. All negative. No worries. Keep it wrapped, use lube and shower before and after.

My Doc referred to sex with a sex worker if you use a condom as "pretty low risk".

Just a little something to put your mind to rest in case you are paranoid as I am.

Happy Hunting![/QUOTE]

Read my post on "Bangkok 2005 Reports" re hepatitis A and B.....be safe.

While fucking with a young (she said 19 yo) Thai girl (professional prostitute) taking her from the back my condom broke.

I realized it just when I came out, so I have been fucking her for about 2 minutes with my glandis in contact with her vagina and sexual fluid.

I immediately washed it carefully with plenty of soap and water, I pissed, and I watched and carefully examinated my penis: no any sign of little scares, or cuts, or wounds or red skin, the skin was normal as usual.

Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive.

What do you think is the risk of getting HIV?

What the risk to get other diseases?

Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?

Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge!

Actually I'm quite sure that, as all the skin of my penis was perfectly intact, there is no way HIV could have been transmitted to me, but who knows?

[QUOTE=Lorenz]While fucking with a young (she said 19 yo) Thai girl (professional prostitute) taking her from the back my condom broke.
[/QUOTE]
Lorenz,

I strongly advise you to edit the first sentence or Domino will be after you endlessly for not checking her ID.

[QUOTE=Lorenz]
...
Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive
What do you think is the risk of getting HIV?
Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?
[/QUOTE]
The risk of transmitting HIV from a woman to a man is much smaller than vice versa, but it still exists. Who knows, maybe you got a lucky draw :(

Don't be too concerned, as long as there was no direct contact between any of her body fluids and your blood no need to worry. But remember, even if you haven't seen any scratches at your penis, there are always some microscopic ones, big enough for the virus to enter your body. On the other hand, a specific virus load is needed to get infected.

As far as I know there is some sort of medication which should be taken as soon as possible after the incident. It is some anti viral stuff to reduce any potential virus load to help your immune system, but I don't remember the name ((TAMIFLU ?). Best would be to visit a good hospital, any of the Bumrungrad for example, they should know.

Don't forget to make a HIV check in about 3 months to know for sure.

Hi guys,

On my recent visit to Bangkok decided to have a check up for all parameters, had my check up done at Bumrngrad, should say the hospital is professional and good quality services.

Would recommend anyone in the need of medical assistance of all types.

Cheers,

Boots

[QUOTE=Lorenz]
Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive.

What do you think is the risk of getting HIV? What the risk to get other diseases? Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?
[/QUOTE]

The only truly effective remedy is deflowering a virgin at midnight on a full moon night while laying on a bed of freshly cut flowers.

[QUOTE=Lorenz]
Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge!
[/QUOTE]

You are most welcome :)

Seriously, you should not worry about HIV. Other STDs on the other hand are fairly easy to catch, and the cure to some is VERY unpleasant.

Incidentally, the remedy I suggested above is what the upper class in Victorian Britain actually believed would cure syphilis. Many were disappointed.

[QUOTE=The Traveler]Lorenz,

..As far as I know there is some sort of medication which should be taken as soon as possible after the incident. It is some anti viral stuff to reduce any potential virus load to help your immune system, but I don't remember the name ((TAMIFLU ?). Best would be to visit a good hospital, any of the Bumrungrad for example, they should know..[/QUOTE]It's not Tamiflu - that's for the regular flu or, now, birdflu. What needs to be taken are the same drug cocktails that an HIV+ person would take, as soon as possible after exposure. Bumrungrad should be able to help. If you're really worried, don't wait.

SCHOOLS

Chaturon okay with condom machine plan

SIRIKUL BUNNAG
The Education Ministry has no objection to the Public Health Ministry's plan to install condom-dispensing machines in schools, said Education Minister Chaturon Chaisaeng yesterday. The scheme had been proposed once before but a fierce outcry from conservatives forced the Public Health Ministry to back down.

The plan is being dusted off by health authorities who said it would help contain the spread of HIV/Aids and other sexually-transmitted diseases among youngsters.

Mr Chaturon yesterday said he has no objection to the plan, but suggested that, in light of public sensitivity, schools and universities should have the freedom to decide whether or not to allow condom-dispensing machines on their premises.

The institutions which agree to join the project must also work with the Public Health Ministry to organise sex education and HIV/Aids prevention programmes on their premises, he added.

Mr Chaturon said it is imperative that the two ministries work together to systematically promote the right value and perception about sex among the young.

'Young people must be made aware of the choice they have and of the proper path they should be taking,'' he stressed.

The education minister said the decision by academic institutions to join the scheme must not be profit-oriented. ''If that was the case, then the move would be no different from putting up condom dispensers in a hotel,'' Mr Chaturon said.

People who oppose the plan must try to see the gravity of the HIV/Aids situation in the country. Some of the measures launched to contain the HIV/Aids spread may be perceived as being unconventional and indiscreet on the surface, he said, ''but the question begging an answer is whether it is more acceptable to watch more and more young people get infected with Aids''.He said the issue was considered ''taboo'' in Thai society and thus always triggered a controversy whenever it was raised for public discussion

[QUOTE=Macho Dik]Will a guys gets any STD (aside from Herpes) when he did a licking spree on the Pussies of the *****s? Will appreciated your advises.[/QUOTE]Aside from Herpes it seems safe enough.

I've eaten a couple of thousand and the only thing I ever catch is some weird coating in the inside of my mouth, which either just goes away after 24 hours or can be banished with Listerine.

[b]SYPHILIS[/b]

[color=red]what is Syphilis [/color]

Syphilis is an STD caused by the bacteria Treponema pallidum. It's sometimes called the "great imitator" because early symptoms are so similar to other diseases. The disease proceeds through stages -- In primary syphilis, a chancre -- an open sore that's usually painless -- appears, most commonly on the genitals, usually 10-90 days after exposure. In secondary syphilis, a skin rash appears, on any part of the body, including palms of hands & soles of feet. In tertiary syphilis, the disease spreads to internal organs, where it can do serious damage. A pregnant woman can pass the disease on to her child. Having syphilis makes a person more susceptible to HIV. Early diagnosis is important because syphilis is readily treatable with antibiotics.

[color=red]how to find out if you got it[/color]

To find out if you have syphilis the doctor must do a blood test. Syphilis is easily treated with penicillin. However, left untreated, syphilis is a deadly disease, and can kill a person years after infection. The first sign of syphilis is often a sore that doesn't hurt and that goes away even if you don't take any medicine. This sore is called a chancre. It usually appears on the penis, vagina, or rectum. Syphilis is most easily spread when someone has a chancre.

There is usually only one chancre, but sometimes there are more. The chancre is usually round. It often looks like several layers of skin are missing. Women who don't get treated for syphilis can give it to their unborn babies. Often these babies are born dead or have brain damage!

[color=red]These are other signs of syphilis: [/color]

Losing patches of hair
Losing eyebrows
A rash on the body (anywhere on the body)

A rash on the bottom of the feet or the palms of the hands are another symptom of syphilis. You can not get syphilis by touching this rash, unless there are open sores.

Most men and women will go through a period of time when they don't have any signs of syphilis. They don't feel sick, BUT they still have syphilis. This can happen after the chancre has gone away, but before the rash appears. This can also happen after the rash goes away or their hair starts growing back.

Cheers
Tee Vee :cool:

***********,

That's a nasty sore on your dick, bro. Better go see the doctor:).

[b]GENITAL WARTS[/b]

[COLOR=Red]What is it? [/COLOR]

HPV is known by many names including venereal, anogenital, or genital warts, and condylomata acuminata. It is a viral infection of skin causing the growth of skin-colored, cauliflower-like masses of various sizes and shapes as shown by the arrows in this picture. (A tampon string is in place as she was menstruating at the time this photo was taken.) It has become very common over the last two decades infecting anywhere from 3% to 28% of the population.

[COLOR=Red]Common Signs & Symptoms [/COLOR]

Several weeks to months after being exposed to a sexual partner with HPV, these painless growths occur on damp or moist surfaces in either sex. Common locations include those pictured as well as around the anus. They often begin as tiny red spots and can grow quickly into cauliflower-like masses. Infection of a woman's cervix with certain strains of this virus can lead to cervical cancer. It is crucial, therefore, for all women who have this disease to have regular pap smears. (Actually, all women who are sexually active need to have regular pap smears to look for cervical problems.)

[COLOR=Red] How's it Diagnosed? [/COLOR]

Diagnosis is made when a physician sees the classic-shaped growths. If there is any question, a sample of the abnormal tissue (biopsy) can be taken and sent to the lab for microscopic analysis. Cervical HPV is diagnosed by taking a small sample of cervical cells with a popsicle-like stick (pap smear) and preparing this specimen on a slide for microscopic analysis.

[COLOR=Red]How's it Treated? [/COLOR]

Like most viral infections, there is no cure for Human Papillomavirus. Treatment consists of destroying the infected cells, but it often comes back due to infection of normal-appearing nearby skin. If left untreated, genital warts may go away on their own. One study showed that nearly 1/3 of all patients had spontaneous resolution of the growths.

For those not wanting to wait to see if they disappear on their own (e.g., most people), destruction of the abnormal cells can be done via a number of methods such as freezing the growths with liquid nitrogen, destroying the tissue with laser surgery, using a blistering agent (such as podophyllin - made from rain forest beetles), or burning them off with a potent acid (e.g., trichloracetic acid). A doctor trained in one of these techniques should be seen to prevent damaging the normal surrounding tissue.

A novel approach is to enhance ones own im***e system to fight off the genital warts. One such "im***e-enhancer" is a cream called imiquimod (Aldara). Imiquimod is currently available by a doctor's prescription only, but unlike the other treatments that require a health professional to apply, Aldara is applied by the patient themselves, in the privacy of their own home. The patient puts a small amount of the cream on the warts three times a week. Aldara is for the treatment of visible warts on the genitals and perianal area. It is not for treatment of cervical or intravaginal warts. Cervical or intravaginal warts are usually treated with freezing or by surgically removing the infected area.

[COLOR=Red]How do I avoid Getting It (Prevention)? [/COLOR]

Abstinence, and perhaps correct condom use may prevent transmission of this virus from one person to the next. It is crucial that all infected skin be covered to prevent skin to skin transmission. Since multiple areas of skin touch during intimate encounters, condom use is not terribly effective.

Cheers
Tee Vee :cool:

[B]PUBIC LICE[/B]

[COLOR=Red]What are pubic lice?[/COLOR]

Also called "crabs," pubic lice are parasitic insects found in the genital area of humans. Infection is common and found worldwide.

[COLOR=Red]How did I get pubic lice?[/COLOR]

Pubic lice are usually spread through sexual contact. Rarely, infestation can be spread through contact with an infested person's bed linens, towels, or clothes. A common misunderstanding is that infestation can be spread by sitting on a toilet seat. This isn't likely, since lice cannot live long away from a warm human body. Also, lice do not have feet designed to walk or hold onto smooth surfaces such as toilet seats.

Infection in a young child or teenager may indicate sexual activity or sexual abuse.

[COLOR=Red]Where are pubic lice found?[/COLOR]

Pubic lice are generally found in the genital area on pubic hair; but may occasionally be found on other coarse body hair, such as hair on the legs, armpits, mustache, beard, eyebrows, or eyelashes. Infestations of young children are usually on the eyebrows or eyelashes. Lice found on the head are not pubic lice; they are head lice.

Animals do not get or spread pubic lice.

[COLOR=Red]What are the signs and symptoms of pubic lice?[/COLOR]

Signs and symptoms of pubic lice include

Itching in the genital area
Visible nits (lice eggs) or crawling lice

[COLOR=Red]What do pubic lice look like?[/COLOR]
There are three stages in the life of a pubic louse: the nit, the nymph, and the adult.

Nit: Nits are pubic lice eggs. They are hard to see and are found firmly attached to the hair shaft.

They are about the size of the mark at the end of this arrow . They are oval and usually yellow to white. Nits take about 1 week to hatch.

Nymph: The nit hatches into a baby louse called a nymph. It looks like an adult pubic louse, but it is smaller. Nymphs mature into adults about 7 days after hatching. To live, the nymph must feed on blood.

Adult: The adult pubic louse is about the size of this circle and resembles a miniature crab when viewed through a strong magnifying glass. Pubic lice have six legs, but their two front legs are very large and look like the pincher claws of a crab; this is how they got the nickname "crabs." Pubic lice are tan to grayish-white in color. Females lay nits and are usually larger than males. To live, adult lice must feed on blood. If the louse falls off a person, it dies within 1-2 days.

[COLOR=Red]How is a pubic lice infestation diagnosed?[/COLOR]

A lice infestation is diagnosed by looking closely through pubic hair for nits, nymphs, or adults. It may be difficult to find nymph or adult; here are usually few of them and they can move quickly away from light. If crawling lice are not seen, finding nits confirms that a person is infested and should be treated. If you are unsure about infestation or if treatment is not successful, see a health care provider for a diagnosis.

[COLOR=Red]How is a pubic lice infestation treated?[/COLOR]

A lice-killing shampoo (also called a pediculicide) made of 1% permethrin or pyrethrin is recommended to treat pubic lice. These products are available without a prescription at your local drug store. Medication is generally very effective; apply the medication exactly as directed on the bottle. A prescription medication, called Lindane (1%) is available through your health care provider. Lindane is not recommended for pregnant or nursing women, or for children less than 2 years old.

Malathion* lotion 0.5% (Ovide*) is another prescription medication that is effective against pubic lice.

How to treat pubic lice infestations: (Note: see section below for treatment of eyelashes or eyebrows. The lice medications described in this section should not be used near the eyes.)

Wash the infested area; towel dry.
Thoroughly saturate hair with lice medication. If using permethrin or pyrethrins, leave medication on for 10 minutes; if using Lindane, only leave on for 4 minutes. Thoroughly rinse off medication with water. Dry off with a clean towel.
Following treatment, most nits will still be attached to hair shafts. Nits may be removed with fingernails.
Put on clean underwear and clothing after treatment.
To kill any lice or nits (attached to hairs) that may be left on clothing or bedding, machine-wash those washable items that the infested person used during the 2-3 days before treatment. Use the hot water cycle (130°F). Use the hot dryer cycle for at least 20 minutes.
Dry-clean clothing that is not washable.
Inform any sexual partners that they are at risk for infestation.
Do not have sex until treatment is complete.
Do not have sex with infected partners until partners have been treated and infestation has been cured.
Repeat treatment in 7-10 days if lice are still found.
To treat nits and lice found on eyebrows or eyelashes:

If only a few nits are found, it may be possible to remove live lice and nits with your fingernails or a nit comb.
If additional treatment is needed for pubic lice nits found on the eyelashes, applying an ophthalmic-grade petrolatum ointment (only available by prescription) to the eyelids twice a day for 10 days is effective. Vaseline* is a kind of petrolatum, but is likely to irritate the eyes if applied.

Cheers
Tee Vee:cool:

[b]chancroid[/b]

(kan-kroid) is also known as:
soft chancre
venereal sore
chancroid ( human genital ulcer disease) is an std caused by exposure to:

haemophilus ducreyi (a small gram-negative rod organism) which occurs mainly in developing countries, especially the african, asian and latin american nations.
infection from chancroid related to haemophilus ducreyi is decreasing in many areas but increasing in infections related to herpes simplex virus type-2 (hsv-2).

chancroid is a bacterial disease causing painful, irregularly shaped sores, but is a localized infection which can be treated and cured and has no long-term effects.

over 4,000 cases are reported annually occurring mainly in younger adults, although it can affect any age.

[color=red]chancroid [/color]

the size can vary from 1-2 millimeters to several centimeters but is usually 1-2 centimeters in diameter.

the shape can be:

irregular
oval
round
unlike the chancre of syphilis:

the chancroid ulcer edge is soft
the ulcer changes shape when the edges are squeezed

[color=red]symptoms [/color]

first signs of infection appear from 3-5 days and up to 2 weeks after contact, and usually a tender, raised bump develops where the bacteria entered the body:

inside/outside the vagina or rectum
occasionally on hands, thighs or mouth
on the penis
within 1-4 days the bump transforms into one or more shallow sores which break open and deepen, becoming:

filled with pus
inflamed
painful
ruptured
the next stage may persist for several weeks and may result in:

a painful open sore
purulent base of the ulcer
several lesions merging to form gigantic ulcers
in over half of the untreated cases the chancroid bacteria infects the lymph glands in the groin.

the lymph glands in the groin may

swell, creating a pus-filled bulge, known as a bubo
enlarge until they burst through the skin
drain continuously
remain open
become infected by other bacteria
may be firm or fluctuant
may rupture or ulcerate
the typical chancroid bubo:

appears about 1-2 weeks after the ulcer forms
is unilateral, spherical, and painful
in men

1-4 sores on the penis may develop
buboes appear in about 50% of male patients
the foreskin may swell
the ulcers usually are found in:
the prepuce near the frenulum
coronal sulcus
glans
rectal sores may:

bleed
cause pain when defecating
in women

buboes are uncommon in women
dyspareunia (painful sex)
dysuria (painful urination)
painless sores can develop on the cervix
several sores may develop around the vagina and rectum
vaginal discharge
the ulcers usually are found on the:
cervix
entrance of the vagina, particularly the fourchette
labia majora and minora
peri-anal area
rectal sores may:

bleed
cause pain when defecating
click here to view photos of chancroids


[color=red]transmission [/color]

chancroid is transmitted through the skin by direct sexual contact with an infected individual through

anal sex
oral sex
vaginal sex
the infection is spread to other parts of the body by:

minor abrasions
physical contact
rubbing
scratching
other

an uncircumcised man is more likely to contract the disease than a circumcised man
any sexually active person can be infected with chancroid
if a person does not practice personal hygiene it is easier for the infection to be transmitted
it is more commonly seen in men than in women
risk factors

contact between scraped or broken infected skin increases the likelihood of transmission
ejaculation is not necessary for the infection to be spread
even if using a condom, sores may be present on areas not protected by the latex and can cause infection anywhere they contact receptive tissue
the bacteria are more likely to invade the sexual organs at the point of a pre-existing injury, such as a small cut or scratch
more outbreaks occur in:
drug users
people with other stds
prostitutes and their clients
re-infection can occur from:

minor abrasions
open wounds
[color=blue]the disease is not spread from person to person by casual contact such as:

clothing
door knobs
eating utensils
swimming pools
toilet seats
and[/color]

[color=blue]mothers do not pass it on to babies at birth [/color]


[color=red]diagnosis [/color]

chancroid is usually diagnosed by:

culture or biopsy
gram stain
microscopic examination of a smear sample taken from the patient's sores
although the disease does not enter the bloodstream a blood sample is usually taken to check for the presence of other stds.

[color=red]treatment [/color]

buboes may need to be drained with a needle under local anesthetic.

although treatment with antibiotics can cure the infection, strains are becoming more common that are resistant to:

ampicillin
chloramphenicol
penicillin,
tetracycline
conventional treatment

current treatment involves regular doses for up to two weeks of:

ciprofloxacin
erythromycin
trimethoprin
or a single dose of:

azithromycin
ceftriaxone
drug information

azithromycin (zithromax) is used to treat:

chlamydial and gonorrheal infections of the genital tract
mild to moderately severe infections caused by susceptible strains of microorganisms
contraindications

concurrent pimozide treatment (sudden death may occur)
hepatic impairment
hypersensitivity
interactions with other substances

decreased effects if taking:
aluminum antacids
magnesium antacids
increased toxicity of:
digoxin
theophylline
warfarin
if taking cyclosporine there is an increased risk of:
nephrotoxicity
neurotoxicity
side effects

bacterial or fungal overgrowth with prolonged use
cholestatic jaundice
may increase hepatic enzymes
site reactions can occur with iv route
caution

care should be used when dealing with patients:

who are debilitated
who are geriatric
who are hospitalized
with pneumonia
during pregnancy

it has not been established if it is safe for pregnant and lactating women
ceftriaxone (rocephin) is used to:

stop bacterial growth by binding to one or more penicillin-binding proteins
contraindications

erythromycin is used to treat patients allergic to:

cephalosporines
quinolones
contraindications

in liver disease
discontinue if the following occurs:

abdominal colic
fever
malaise
nausea
vomiting
ciprofloxacin (cipro) is a bactericidal antibiotic that is used to inhibit:


hypersensitivity
should not be used for children and adolescents under 18
interactions with other substances

[color=red]dietary recommendations [/color]

include:

essential fatty acids, such as olive oil, nuts
fish and poultry
flax seed, (linseed) oil
fresh fruits and vegetables
organic foods where possible
plenty of fresh water ( drink as much as possible)
whole grains

avoid:

alcohol
carbonated beverages
dairy products
fruit juice
refined white flour, such as pasta, bread, desserts
sugar

nutritional supplements

proteolytic enzymes:

bromelain 400mg
wobenzyme n five tablets three to four times a day away from meals
and

vitamin c 1,000 mg three times a day with meals
zinc 30 mg daily
herbal treatment

goldenseal (hydrastis canadensis), strong infusion or poultice applied locally to sores
goldenseal (hydrastis)/vitamin a suppository
other treatments

warm sitz baths with several drops tea tree oil (melaleuca alternifolia) added
vaginal douche using one or both of the following herbs which have potent anti-microbial properties:

goldenseal (hydrastis canadensis)
oregon grape root (mahonia aqjuifolium

[color=red]prevention [/color]

risk factors

douching or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url] after sex does not prevent stds
exposure of skin and mucus membranes with a high risk partner
if there are any signs or symptoms of chancroid abstain from sex until the infection is cured
help factors
carefully washing the genitals with antibacterial soap immediately after sex
limit one's sexual relationship to a single, uninfected partner
practice safe sex
use latex condoms or gloves put on before sex and disposed of responsibly immediately after sexual contact
other precautions


[color=red]prognosis [/color]

chancroid does not seem to have any adverse effects on pregnancy or the fetus

[color=red]complications[/color]

balanoposthitis, inflammation and partial loss of tissue, particularly of the glans, penis and prepuce, may occur
buboes may rupture taking months to heal completely
fistulous tracts, abnormal tube-like passages within the body tissues, may form
phimosis, tightness of the foreskin
scarring from extensive infection or from burst buboes may occur
untreated chancroid often results in ulcers occurring on the genitals, which can persist for weeks or months
risk factors

people with open chancroid sores are especially vulnerable to other stds
re-infection can occur immediately after cure as the body does not build up any natural resistance
in less than 10% of cases sores may return and these may be caused by:


it has been found that the genital ulcers of chancroid have:

been associated with the sexual transmission of the hiv virus
occurred as outbreaks in populations with a high incidence of hiv-1 infection.

cheers
tee vee :cool:

[b]chlamydia[/b]

chlamydia is actually a group of different infections caused by different strains of the chlamydia bacterium:chlamydia pneumonia causes a type of walking pneumonia

chlamydia psittaci causes a type of pneumonia caused by birds

chlamydia trachomatis causes various sexually transmitted diseases

chlamydia trachomatis is currently one of the most common and widespread bacterial stds in the united states. it is estimated that more than 4 million people are infected each year. rates of chlamydia in the united states are highest in the west and midwest, with missouri having above average numbers.

[color=red]symptoms[/color]

asymptomatic

it is called asymptomatic if there are no symptoms

in the beginning chlamydia may not make you feel anything so you may not even know you have it

it can just come and go

those who do notice that they have this infection will have certain symptoms for weeks or months, depending on the severity of the infection and whether treatment was undertaken early, or not at all. but, as it gets worse, you will begin to experience different symptoms

in pre-puberty girls

vaginal discharge and odor (vaginitis)

in post-puberty girls

discharge (off-white) and odor which comes from the cervix being infected

in women

chlamydia is often silent in women, with up to 90% of women asymptomatic. women can carry the bacteria for months or even years without knowing it. this makes screening very important.

symptoms can start to occur within 3 weeks after getting the infection and include the following:

constant lower abdominal pain

mild, milky or yellow mucus-like vaginal discharge

nausea and fever

pain during urination

pain during sexual intercourse

spotting between periods

chlamydia can also lead to:

cervicitis which is inflammation of the cervix.

5-13% of the women in the u.s. who get chlamydia get cervicitis.

salpingitis which is inflammation of the fallopian tubes

ectopic pregnancy

if a pregnant woman has chlamydia trachomatis the risk of an ectopic pregnancy is much higher. this is where the fetus does not grow in the womb but in the ectopic tubes.

chlamydia can silently linger for months without symptoms and the infection may move inside the body if it is not treated, where it may cause:

epidydimitis in men

pelvic inflammatory disease

pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) causes:

infertility

chronic pain

even death

in men

chlamydia causes something called non-specific urethritis (nsu) which can produce symptoms such as:

burning on urination (non-gonoccocal urethritis (ngu))

groin pain and swelling (epididymitis)

irritation around opening of the penis

mild, sticky, milky or mucus-like discharge from penis

pain when [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url]

swollen testes (which if not treated can lead to infertility)

testicular pain

symptoms may seem to "come and go"

in babies

1/4 of babies passing down the infected birth canal will get chlamydia pneumonia

1/2 of all babies born to infected women after delivery through the birth canal will develop chlamydial conjunctivitis (pink eye) a week after birth

in severe cases blindness may occur

the bacteria can be easily passed to the developing child within the uterus

the child may have respiratory diseases for a long time if not treated

other conditions

the infection can occur in the pharynx (throat) from oral-genital contact

the infection can be spread to the eyes causing inflammation of the lining of the eye (pink eye)

in tropical climates, a particular strain of c. trachomatis causes an std called lymphogranuloma venereum (lgv) which can get into the skin through tiny cuts.

after months or years it can spread to other lymph nodes causing:

genital problems

pain

proctitis (inflamed rectum)

skin breakdown (ulceration)

swelling

[color=red]transmission[/color]

the bacteria causing the infection is transmitted by direct person-to-person contact through:

blood

passing it to a baby during birth

semen from the penis

touching eyes when infected

vaginal fluid

risk groups
babies (from infected mothers)

sexually active people, regardless of their sexual preference

sexually active teenagers (about 45%)

[color=red]
diagnosis [/color]

if you have certain symptoms or feel differently to how you normally feel and have been with an infected person, go to a doctor for confirmation.

chlamydial infection can be confused with gonorrhea because the symptoms of both diseases are similar and in some situations they occur together.

laboratory tests

a sample of the patient's genital secretions is tested in a laboratory using one of a wide variety of quick and inexpensive laboratory tests

culture

growing the organism in specialized tissue culture is one of the most definitive tests.

these tests are:

difficult to do

expensive

test results not available for 3-7 days

dna amplification

a process called dna amplification is used to detect the genes of the organisms in genital secretions ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]). this method does not require an invasive sample, pelvic examination or swabbing of the penis

these tests are:

less expensive

more rapid

performed during a routine checkup

slightly less accurate

results available within 24 hours

amplicor chlamydia trachomatis test

recently, a new chlamydia test became available called amplicor chlamydia trachomatis test, which is carried out using:

a sample of a man's [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]

a swab from a woman's cervix or urethra

results are available within 4 hours and not 3-7 days

[color=red]prevention[/color]

due to lack of symptoms people who are infected with chlamydia may unknowingly infect their sex partners.

if you are sexually active, you can lower your risk by following these guidelines:

abstinence is the only way to be 100% sure of protection from chlamydia and other sexually transmitted diseases

drugs reduce your ability to make sensible decisions, such a:

becoming sexually intimate when drinking alcohol and/or taking drugs

condoms or diaphragms should be used during sexual intercourse:

anal

oral

vaginal

form a monogamous relationship

be tested before you have sex

both partners are faithful

limit your number of sexual partners

risk increases as number of partners increases

persons who have more than one sex partner, especially women under 25, should be tested regularly

regular check-ups for std's

do not wait for symptoms to appear

testing should be part of your regular examination

recommendations

annual screening of all sexually active females under 20 years of age

pregnant women should be tested

women with infection of the cervix should be tested

screening of women over 20 with one or more risk factors for chlamydia:

diaphragm contraception

lack of condom

multiple sex partners

new sex partner

[color=red][treatment[/color]

chlamydia can be in your body for a very long time unless treated with antibiotics. usually this consists of a 7-10 day treatment program.

a number of antibiotics are used to treat chlamydial infections including:

amoxicillin

azithromycin (one-day course)

doxycycline (seven day course) *

erythromycin *

tetracycline (some people are allergic to the drug)

ofloxacin

* able to be used during pregnancy

note

penicillin is not effective against chlamydial infections
the prescribed medication should be taken, even after symptoms disappear, until advised by your health practitioner
all sexual partners of a person with chlamydial infection need to be evaluated and treated to prevent re-infection.

cheers
tee vee :cool:

[b]gonorrhea[/b]
gonorrhea gonococcal infection (clap, drip)

gonorrhea is:

an infection that is spread through sexual contact with another person

caused by a bacterium, neisseria gonorrhoeae

second only to chlamydial infections in the number of reported cases.

the gonorrhea germs are found in the mucous areas of the body:

genital tract

penis

rectum

throat

vagina

in women

the opening (cervix) to the womb (uterus) from the birth canal is the first place of infection

the disease can spread into the womb and fallopian tubes, resulting in pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) which can cause infertility in up to 10% of infected women and tubal (ectopic) pregnancy

risk groups

any person who is sexually active can be infected with gonorrhea

common among younger people, ages 15-30, who have multiple sex partners

increases in gonorrhea have been found among men who have sex with men

occurs more frequently in urban areas than in rural areas.

[color=red]transmission[/color]

gonorrhea is spread

through sexual contact including:

penis to vagina (infection rate for males 30-50%, females 60-90%)

penis to mouth,

penis to rectum

mouth to vagina

from mother to child as the child passes through the birth canal during delivery causing:

eye infections

in children, usually due to sexual abuse it is found in the:

genital tract

mouth

rectum

other risk factors

an infected person can spread the infection to another area of their body by touching the infected area and transferring the excretions

clothing or wash cloths of infected people can spread the infection

[color=red]symptoms [/color]

in men:

creamy or green, pus-like discharge from the penis

painful urination (burning sensation)

testicular pain

in women:

bleeding between periods

creamy or green, pus-like or bloody vaginal discharge

excessive bleeding during menstrual period

irritation of the vulva

lower abdominal pain

painful intercourse

painful urination (burning sensation)

rectal infection

throat infection

rectal infection:

constipation

creamy, pus-like discharge

itching

painful bowel movement with blood in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113][CodeWord113][/url]

rectal bleeding

symptoms usually appear 2-7 days after infection in males, but it can sometimes take up to 30 days for symptoms to appear.

often there are no symptoms at all in:

10-15 % of men

80% of women

people with no symptoms are at risk of developing complications from gonorrhea and can unknowingly spread the infection.

from the time of infection gonorrhea can be spread and will continue to be spread until properly treated.

past infection does not make a person im***e to gonorrhea and previous infections with gonorrhea may allow complications to occur more rapidly and increase your risk of getting hiv.

long term complications

in men

epididymitis

an inflammation of the testicles that can cause sterility

in women

abscesses

ectopic pregnancy

a pregnancy outside of the uterus

pelvic inflammatory disease (pid)

an ascending infection that spreads from the vagina and cervix to the uterus and fallopian tubes, which can lead to sterility

perihepatitis

an infection around the liver

sterility

in newborns

gonorrhea can be transmitted to newborns.

[color=red]diagnosis [/color]

many doctors prefer to use more than one test to increase the chance of an accurate diagnosis. there are three laboratory techniques usually used to diagnose gonorrhea:

staining biological samples

staining biological samples directly for the bacterium is carried out by placing on a slide a sample of the discharge from the penis or cervix and staining it with a dye

the doctor can usually give you the test results during the consultation

this test is more accurate for men than women, as only 1 in 2 women with the infection have a positive stain

detection of bacterial genes or nucleic acid (dna) test

detection of bacterial genes or nucleic acid (dna) test is carried out using [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] or cervical swabs to detect the genes of the bacteria

this test is often more accurate than culturing the bacteria


[color=red]treatment [/color]

gonorrhea is treated with penicillin or other antibiotics in pill form or by injection, however, the disease is becoming more and more resistant to many standard medications.

antibiotics that are currently used are:

cefixime

ceftriaxone

ciprofloxacin*

ofloxacin*

tetracycline

* the antibiotics ciprofloxacin and ofloxacin should not be taken if you have gonorrhea and are:

pregnant

younger than 18 years old

gonorrhea and chlamydial infection, another common std, often infect people at the same time

a combination of antibiotics is taken which will treat both diseases, such as:

azithromycin

ceftriaxone

doxycycline

all sexual partners should be tested and treated if infected, whether or not they have symptoms of the infection.

if untreated the gonorrhea infection can spread:

into the reproductive tract

and through the bloodstream infecting:

brain (rarely)

heart valves

joints

the most common result of untreated gonorrhea is pelvic inflammatory disease (pid), a serious infection of the female reproductive organs.

gonococcal pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) often appears immediately after menstruation and causes:

in women

abscesses

perihepatitis, an infection around the liver, as a long-term complication

scar tissue to form in the fallopian tubes

sterilization in females

the embryo to implant in the tube causing a tubal (ectopic) pregnancy, which can result in miscarriage and sometimes death of the mother

the fertilized egg not to pass into the uterus if the tubes are partially scarred

in men

arthritis

epididymitis, an inflammation of the testicles that can cause sterility in the long term

other organ infections

skin problems

swelling of the testicles and penis

approximately 2% of persons with untreated gonorrhea may develop disseminated gonococcal infection (dgi).

symptoms include:

arthritis type pain

fever

skin lesions

cheers
tee vee :cool:

So make sure you have safe sex whether in Thailand or anywhere else you may want to "monger".

If there are any other STD information you want, just let me know and I'll continue.

Cheers
Tee Vee :cool:

Sheesh! I need to book an appointment with the optician! When I first looked I thought it said PUBLIC LICE, and assumed it was another cynical post about the inhabitants of Sukhumvit!

Good posts Tee Vee. But you missed a bit out on Gonorrhoea (my one and only claim to fame with std's): I caught it from an uncovered blowjob. It festers in the mouth, as you state, and has the potency to get down the penile tract and infect the recipient of said blow job. I've heard that this one can be stubborn, but the antibiotic from my local clinic worked a treat for me.

[quote=coma boy]aside from herpes it seems safe enough.

i've eaten a couple of thousand and the only thing i ever catch is some weird coating in the inside of my mouth, which either just goes away after 24 hours or can be banished with listerine.[/quote]

i don't want to flame anybody but don't let anyone tell you oral sex is safe!

i've recently returned from los and about a week after my return i got a sore throat that wouldn't go away. as i had performed oral sex on a girl (non-pro), i was suspicious and decided to go to a clinic to have myself tested. i explained my problem to the doctor and she took a throat swab and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] sample. the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] was tested immediately but no bacteria were found. i had to wait a week for the results of the cell culture.

last thursday i got the diagnosis: chlamydia! i was given two 500mg azithromycin pills that i had to take simultaneously.

as i got chlamydia a few years ago from a girl (also thailand!) who had given me a blow job i should have been more careful.

these links might be informative:
[url]http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/news/stds_can_be_transmitted_through_oral_sex_as_well.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/infectionoralsex.htm[/url]

Correct indeed my sore throat came from Philippines but the issue is the same. A good forumer also gave the answer which is a throat wash called Peridex - gargle before and it will give 4 hours protection - it is the pink liquid usually found in dentists and according to my friend - who is a dentist and lover of abalone it is very effective.

My fever turned into a real nasty - white throat and unable to swallow for a week until another ent specialist correctly called the problem - another week of serious antibiotics and it has gone but a lesson to all concerned.

It may not be you but if she bbj someone who is not clean then kissing her can also do the trick - her pussy may be clean but her mouth may not and she may not even realise it.

So a nice gargle before going out and going down and you will be much safer in the long run.

from memory my original thread on this one is in Philippines thread

[QUOTE=Lorenz]While fucking with a young (she said 19 yo) Thai girl (professional prostitute) taking her from the back my condom broke.

I realized it just when I came out, so I have been fucking her for about 2 minutes with my glandis in contact with her vagina and sexual fluid.

I immediately washed it carefully with plenty of soap and water, I pissed, and I watched and carefully examinated my penis: no any sign of little scares, or cuts, or wounds or red skin, the skin was normal as usual.

Supposing that the girl is 100% HIV positive.

What do you think is the risk of getting HIV?

What the risk to get other diseases?

Should I use any special cream or medicaments to prevent other diseases?

Thanks for sharing your experiences and knowledge!

Actually I'm quite sure that, as all the skin of my penis was perfectly intact, there is no way HIV could have been transmitted to me, but who knows?[/QUOTE]

Here I am again.

One month is passed after the HIV risk exsposure, yesterday I had my blood test for HIV, was negative.

I wasn't able to find any literature and datas about how many weeks the HIV antiboidies need to come out and to be detected with a HIV test....

who could help me with that?

I'll make again the test in 6 weeks (2,5 months after risk) and in June (6 months after risk) but I would like to know usually when do the HIV antibodies come out!

Thanks!

Lorenz, it's my understanding that there is a window of up to 90 days for HIV, so to be sure you need to have a test 3 months after you accident for a true reading of your status.

Hi Lorenz remember to test for other STD's. For HIV to be save the delay are 3 months, 6 months and to be reaallllly save 12 months. But if you are tested in the USA with the new test you should be ok afther 3 months .... the second test it's to make sure and to see if you were "false negatif" or even "false positiv" this happen some time but it's very rare. Good Luck.

Sun rise

[QUOTE=Lorenz]
I wasn't able to find any literature and datas about how many weeks the HIV antiboidies need to come out and to be detected with a HIV test....

who could help me with that?

I'll make again the test in 6 weeks (2,5 months after risk) and in June (6 months after risk) but I would like to know usually when do the HIV antibodies come out!
[/QUOTE]
Lorenz,

the answer is 3 months. Some might test positive earlier, but 3 months is max.
If you do not develop any antibodies within that period, you never will. You will be safe then.

Good luck

Sorry guys, but I just can't take it !

If all this is about one condom breakage, then you're in the wrong sport. But at least the right forum.

Relax.

Don't the Germans have a saying something like: "worrying about something you can not control only multiplies the misery" ?

Sure, practice safe sex, but don't beat your brains out over an "oops".

FD

Exactly Firedick!

This is a risky game, it's a gamble. Don't play if you're not willing to accept the possible consequences- don't gamble what you can't afford to lose.

"Live by the pussy, die by the pussy".

Dear Fellow,

I heard that HIV symptons include night sweats. please advise if it is true and how you can differentiate the night sweats of HIV from other non-HIV related sickness.

How about some pimple like bumps at the back (shoulder blade) of the body. is this is the so called sores or rushes of HIV?

Thanks in advance

the red bumps could be anything and are "easily" checked

Night sweats are similar to waking up in a heavy sweat (routinely) - but if in LOS, it's sort of hard to tell (at least in a fan room).

the test is cheap - go have it done - cheap peace of mind

Be specially careful with TG's in one of soi6's most popular bars.

At least 1 infected girl working there!

[QUOTE=El Culion]I don't want to flame anybody but DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU ORAL SEX IS SAFE!

As I got chlamydia a few years ago from a girl (also Thailand!) who had given me a blow job I should have been more careful.

These links might be informative:
[url]http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/news/stds_can_be_transmitted_through_oral_sex_as_well.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/infectionoralsex.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

You can also get Gonorrhoea and syphillys, especially from a woman who swallows. I speak from experience. What's the difference between a vagina and throat to bacteria? However, I have been told by medical experts that HIV doesn't like saliva and getting a BBBJ from a HIV+ individual doesn't represent much of a risk. But who want's to risk it? Now I use condoms for everything. If you have a girl who doesn't like CIM you can usually convience them to "go all the way" with a condom.

The bumps are probably from the heat. However, if you are HIV+ you don't want to spread it around. So just get the damn test! For your own peace of mind and the rest of our safety.

[QUOTE=Wwqfas]Be specially careful with TG's in one of soi6's most popular bars.

At least 1 infected girl working there![/QUOTE]

Don't keep us in suspense, tell us which bar!! In Pattaya or BKK?

[QUOTE=Durianfan]Don't keep us in suspense, tell us which bar!! In Pattaya or BKK?[/QUOTE]BKK, Pattaya, wherever. What difference does it make?

There are infected girls in pretty much every bar.

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]
There are infected girls in pretty much every bar.[/QUOTE]

No, there are not, but there easily could be, which amounts to the same, of course.

Pat!

If you carefully read you'll know the bar.

Here are some links to good condom suppliers. Some of the super thin Japanese condoms are great. Albeit, a little snug for a falong schlong.

Undercovercondoms.com
Condomdepot.com

But it's not unique to Thailand -

"Sexual activity related injuries"

[url]http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11624436/[/url]

If the owner/manager knew about the girl wouldn't they let her go. In reality, it is probably true that more than half the bars have one more girls infected with HIV. If you use a condom for vaginal sex you should be okay. There is very little evidence that HIV has even been transmitted orally.

I would be willing to bet an airline ticket to Pattaya that there is at least one infection at the TS/TV bar on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=Wwqfas]Be specially careful with TG's in one of soi6's most popular bars.

At least 1 infected girl working there![/QUOTE]

WOOO HOO,

As some of you might remember, awhile back I had a broken condom experience with some massage girl.

3 months later I got tested (Oh my god I was already planning my funeral) and it came back Negative.

Im so freaking happy.

Cant wait to get back there and fuck some girls.

Enjoy

[QUOTE=Coma Boy]BKK, Pattaya, wherever. What difference does it make?

There are infected girls in pretty much every bar.[/QUOTE]The unofficial statistic is: 30-50% of Thai BGs are HIV positive!

In my Thai mongering career I had two close calls:

A 'nice' girl I spent 4 days with in Patty, 1995, died of AIDS in 1997.

I tested HIV-negative.

In 2005 I had unprotected intercourse in Phuket and cought the clap (gonorrhea). What a bummer, ruined my holiday. I tested HIV-negative again.

Back in the homeland I had cought the clap from my own wife in 1975 long before HIV was invented (I can't be dissuaded that it's some biological warfare agent that was let loose, either by accident or by design)!

So for me rubbers make a lot of sense now.

Here's what to look for in the BG: skinny, needle marks, nervousness, jumpiness, moodyness, hyperactivity, always with a cold. So the ones who are a bit more volupteous and calm are the safer bets.

Any disease can be spread by exchange of bodily fluids, including by fellatio, cunnilingus and kissing. There's also influenza, herpes, tuberculosis, parasites and other awful stuff to worry about.

But life is full of dangers and the urge to have fun in overwhelming; so chose your contacts carefully.