What Country has the Best Women for LTR?

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I am surprised that WSG have a discussion on LTR. 100% of the guys here are interested in sex, not relationship. LTR or STR. If you are in a true relationship and if your spouse/girlfriend is not approval of your relationship or you will not accept her to sleep with any men she likes, then you are 1. cheating on her 2. you are truly not interested to have a relationship. Nothing wrong with not wanting a relationship, however it is not logically to put a discussion topic on LTR or STR on WSG. It is like putting a topic on geology on WSG, doesn't make sense. :)

It all depends on your time-frame! On this board a short-term relationship is 24 hours or less. Long-term means twice. By the way, could we add a geology topic???
. Peace, -P

No shit? I thought STR was 20 minutes and one condom and LTR was 45 minutes and two condoms. But then, I'm kind of a dickhead.

Geology rocks! Let's do it!

anywhere but the usa. marriage, like so many good things in this country, is being destroyed by our immoral and inhumane lawyers. how can a woman resist divorce court, when she gets paid so handsomely to throw in the towel early, cash out, and go find another one?

my second wife, if there is to ever be one, will not speak english, will not have a visa, and not give a shit about ever coming to this country. thank god i've lived overseas much of my life, and can tell the difference.

whatever happened to diving boards at public pools, new cars without speed governors, disipline in schools, resonably priced medical services, hamburgers cooked medium rare, and an honest divorce lawyer asking the warring parties, "are you sure you two can't work this thing out"????

you'll never hear that from a greedy, bottom feeding, american lawyer.

ltr in america? sorry young men. its cheaper to pay $100 once a week to a professional personal services provider, than get married. you don't have to give up on a ltr. why i've been seeing some of my girls for three years now. not weekly, but enough to call it a ltr.

easyrider

i am not sure it's the lawyer. a friend of mine just completed his divorce. lawyers for both sides came to an agreement and presented the settlement to the court for final approval. the court modified the settlement which in effect double up the alimony to the wife. the truth is, if your wife proposed any divorce settlement, you'd better take her terms and not fight it. you should thank her for not taking you to court. usually you will lose more by having your case adjudicated in court.

sorry to have mis-spoken myself in the prior posting. allow me to make some clarification. this is the story, my friend's ex-wife proposed terms of divorce settlement however he felt he could not accept the terms (mostly about the $$), so he decided to litigate in court. i along with his lawyer advised him to accept the settlement but he was so emotional and decided to fight this out in the court. at the end of the trial, the judge gave everything the woman wanted plus double up the the alimony payment she originally proposed. rubbing salt to wounds, the judge (a male judge) admonished my friend in open court for a series of misconducts (apparently he bought the woman's side of story) and had my friend pay court cost and the woman's lawyer fees. now, bear in mind my friend is no wife beater or a bad father. he did cheat on his wife by fooling around but definitely does not deserve that harsh treatment. the court truly ruined his finances. in a way, i also blame my friend for this, he could have accepted whatever the ex-wife asked for and moved on. yet he got too emotional and fought. the end result huge economic loss. dumb dumb dumb.

First of all it looks that this topic has become of worst LTR rather than best LTR.

If LTR means marriage then India is the best bet. No doubt in India marriages are longest one in the world. The divorce is rare as far as Hindus are concerned. The ancient society (even now a days - the society having modern life style, stick to this) had no idealogy of divorce.

It may be difficult to get a woman from India for marriage but once you get it, sure it can be a life time relationship.

khun..in India women have historically been expected to commit suicide after the death of their husband . They loose all of their possessions to the husbands family....... I do think our courts have screwed this country up badly, but we are not the only society to have dumb marriage laws. ..Maybe the trick is to marry a women who is on her second marriage so you can help her spend the first husbands money.

better yet. don't ever get married. unless you married a woman many times wealthier than you, you have to support her, feed her and if you have children with her, more child support payment. why would you want someone else to help spend your money? also, why chain yourself to the same woman overtime? even worse, you are married to the same woman, then you go out and cheat on her, then she found it out, then she divorce you. man, since she got you cheating on her, the court of land is going to be harsh on you. if you have no children with her, be prepared to hand over half of what you have to her. if you have children with her, be prepared to hand over 2/3 of your total wealth plus losing the kids. unless the guy is a mental, i don't see any reason you should get married.

brett, that practice(of women commiting suicide) is 1000's of years old and outlawed today. India today is a democratic secular country and akin to (only a lot poorer ) than the usa.
For best ltr Indian women are the best, I do not know why, maybe they are just conditioned that way by their families and they will never never cheat on you- you can take that to the bank
Also she will do anything to save a marraige and I could go on but this is the wsg after all, not aunt annes advice coloumn.
ltr is the anti wsg, why are we even discussing it here........?

[quote]originally posted by easyrider
[ whatever happened to diving boards at public pools, new cars without speed governors, disipline in schools, resonably priced medical services, hamburgers cooked medium rare, and an honest divorce lawyer asking the warring parties, "are you sure you two can't work this thing out"????[/i][/quote]

hear, hear (though i'm not so sure i want to try the medium-rare hamburger in some of these countries like thailand).

as for he main topic, the best i've seen so far is the philippines. didn't think i'd ever get married (and still haven't), but the girl that came by far the closest was from there. some of 'em are real sweethearts and can really get to you. getting married and especially bringing one over can be a different matter and problems have been reported, but filipinas will definitely make you not want to go after american women.

i'm languishing up here in the great white north, toronto, and have only been in one country where i could really relate to and get on with the women (the solomon islands). the economy sucks there now and they have been killing white people in the capital, so it isn't an option to go back.

my question is, not so much just about the faithfulness and such of the women from a given country, but how accessible are they to a one who is definitely not rich and not from their country. I've been to Vietnam and the Czech Republic and nationality and language as well as sexual prudery are problems there just like anywhere.

I've heard mention of the Phillipines and India, but isn't there a lot of anti-white feeling there? Also, i'm not sure what my chances of landing working would be (i'm a freelance journalist,graphic artist and teacher).

cheers
mick

To MC-Luna

I know nothing about India, so cannot comment, but I can tell you that there is virtually NO "anti-white" sentiment in the Philippines. Quite the opposite, Filipinos tend to really like and respect white people. Example: When I went to the casino with my wife, (I'm white, she's Filipino), we were both wearing Jeans.
I was allowed in, but not my wife.
Furthermore, even though you aren't rich, you still have much more than the average Filipino, so you would be considered a great catch, regardless of your age, weight, looks, etc.
The exchange rate for western currencies is very favorable, so it does not take much cash to have a great vacation in the Philippines.
I would not go to the far south, where there is a large Muslim population, and the Manila area can be expensive, but the central Philippines (Visayas), including Cebu, Bohol, Negros, Etc. are just great, in my opinion.
LTR....meaning whatever you want it to mean, from several days to forever, would be very easy to achieve, and you would not be dissappointed in the quality of the ladies, both looks and loyalty.
By the way, it is a Catholic Country, so there is some prudery, but being a tropical Country, there is also much pent up passion, which is just aching to be let loose.
Good Luck!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mc_luna
[i]I've heard mention of the Phillipines and India, but isn't there a lot of anti-white feeling there?

Also, i'm not sure what my chances of landing working would be (i'm a freelance journalist,graphic artist and teacher).

cheers
mick [/i][/QUOTE]

As far as India I know, there is no hatered towards any race, nation or religions. (Except Pakistanis). But there is not much of charm also to get married with white skin people. There is always a suspician about faithfulness of white males.

There is no need of people to come & work there (in India). May be you can think of working in Thailand.

Thanks for the feedback, Tomtom and Khun. It sounds like you've been around the islands a bit Tomtom. Im not fat or ugly or old, but I don't get Canadian women, literally. Supposedly there are more women than men in Toronto, and certainly lots of beautiful and charming women of all hues here, but its very hard to keep their attention (height may be a factor, i'm 5'6. It wasn't a factor in Hanoi,Vietnam, but they distrusted all foreigners and were extreme prudes or *****s there, nothing in between.)

My big question is , can one find a girl with like interests, such as art and culture,in Filipines? I don't mean just my culture, but world culture. I guess I haven't gone there yet because a)I would have trouble finding work there and making money and b) a lot of the girls i've seen from there marry old guys with a good pension and assets. I'd actually need someone who wanted me for my body and mind as well as my passprt and earnings. Is that possible or probable there?
cheers
mick
mick_luna@yahoo.ca
www.portfolios.com/mc_luna

Try on the net
You can get a job of Teacher in Thailand as there are huge demand of teachers in International Schools, native english speaker (means white skin).
Getting a girl is the most easy job, you can select your soulmate.

Yes, i've heard a bit about Thailand as well, but still wonder about finding someone who is interested in me and not just my passport and money. Also, the Bangkok and other heavily touristed areas don't interest me, as I don't want to be seen as just another sex tourist. i wouldn't mind teaching a bit there, but i know the money is pretty shitty compared to here or other parts of asia
cheers
mick

it is definitely possible in the phillipines. take some time choosing the right girl. also for serious relationships stay away from girls in the bar and pros. but you can definitely find a woman who cherishes you and not your wealth.

Thanks for the info Cool et al. What areas do you think are especially good in the Phillipines, or in Thailand? I suppose to find someone interested in the arts and culture one would look in a city of a certain size.
Also, is anyone aware of potential opportunities for setting up an eco-tourist ranch/lodge or something like that? Heard of anyone who's done it successfully? I looked into doing it with my then girlfriend and her parents in the Solomon Islands, but getting enough traffic to make it worthwhile would have been a problem. i haven't been there (near Gizo) since 98, but hear its gotten worse due to war in the capital.
cheers
mick
mick_luna@yahoo.ca

I have come to realize that I am losing interest in anything long term with american women. Even women from other races that are not white born here eventually turn into the greedy women white women are. My plans are to leave this country in a few years for good with plenty of cash to live like a king where the dollar is strong and the women are beautiful and faithful. I am getting to know mexico pretty well and am interested in going there. Anyone have any advise for other Latin Countries and what are the best ways to meet women in latin america. aLSO if u teach english there does your spanish have to be perfect too?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by I LOVE LATINAS
[i]I have come to realize that I am losing interest in anything long term with american women. Even women from other races that are not white born here eventually turn into the greedy women white women too? [/i][/QUOTE]

American women are okay but they do get on my nerves and since I moved overseas I have learned that I, for one, don't have to put up with that shit. American women have somehow gotten the impression that they're the only game in town. I know better than that.
There are enough women in the world so that if any one of them give you grief you can move on. And, when the one who is good gets a little worn out, you can move on again.

Tocsin, American women ok you say? So certain are you? American women are bottom of the barrel bitchez, sure there are some attractive beauties but they are so few in proportion to the population that they have so much power over men, that men run through hoops for their affection. No more than one in ten American women are attractive. Go to Europe, and its 7 out fo every 10 women are attractive. Europe has a much higher ratio of beautiful women as well as higher absolute numbers. I could never deal with an American women after my European encounters, never. AMERICAN WOMEN FUCKEN SUCK!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CBGBConnisur
[i]Tocsin, American women ok you say? So certain are you? American women are bottom of the barrel bitchez, sure there are some attractive beauties but they are so few in proportion to the population that they have so much power over men, that men run through hoops for their affection. No more than one in ten American women are attractive. Go to Europe, and its 7 out fo every 10 women are attractive. Europe has a much higher ratio of beautiful women as well as higher absolute numbers. I could never deal with an American women after my European encounters, never. AMERICAN WOMEN FUCKEN SUCK!!!!!!!! [/i][/QUOTE]
Some AMerican women are ok and some are not. My preferences are not for American women but just because a woman is American doesn't mean I can't have a good rime with her either. If I used the same logic you apply to American women in order to make a "pre-judment" about WSG posters, I'd think everyone on this board was a dickless moron whose only talent was being able to spit out loads of bullshit while having his head stuck up his ass. Thanks for your support.

Well, Tocsin if I had to decide between American and European women, I will forever pick the latter. I'm not being pre-judgmental, heck this is based on my experience. And I like Europe when it comes to meeting women.

I don't know many American women, but as an Australian it wasn't till I picked a non-white, english-speaking African lady did I find my true soul-mate. For her, it was a bonus as whites are considered a better husband (less likely to beat) than African or mixed-race men. The best thing I ever did was marry a non-white.

Hey CBGB, it's nice to see that you make the same post over and over again in other threads besides the "American Woman" thread. Refreshing. You really do sound like a broken record player. No wonder US Babes won't give you the time of day. Go ahead. Move to Europe. Once the women you meet there get over the novelty of your "cute" American accent and begin to realize how full of bitterness, hatred and anger you are, you won't be able to get any pussy over there either. I suggest you change your attitude or commit suicide. :-) Whatever option you choose, please do it soon cuz I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing you go on and on and on and on and on and on...saying the same FUCKING thing over and over again. Jesus. What a pain in the ass you are.

hey jwny72 or whtever, CBGB, is the only guy who speaks his hearts out, if you do not like it do not read it, why you bother so much. just enjoy wsg don't criticise, common, its the only place we can get any real info, whtsoever, and if 10 guys like you bend on breaking everyones head, it will be all over.

CBGB, great !! keep on the work, you are doing only good to the knowledge seekers, its the guys like you who shows the road to the trannees like us. go on an on an on ......if there are 10 guys to criticise , there are thousands behind you silently admiring :-)

well, i'm from india, and hey, about the miss universe thing, my friend you are profoundly mistaken, its all rigged up, so that multinatiional companies can set there cosmetics business in india. its still a developing country, and very very very reserved. only europe and southamerica have chances not in hundred yrs will india be like that in love and sex. well i have not gone outside of india, however, by your accounts, you will be terribly horrified if you think of pursuing the "ideas' here. it simply won't work here.

Thanks for all the writings you do, over here, well , if i go outof india will i be able to tell my experiences.....thank's a lot .
here in india the only thing you can expect is plenty of religion god and spirituality. if you be ever in distress and want to seek god come to india and for no other purpose..

have goood day..

enlighter,
If you're in favor of what CBGB says, than I have to assume that you haven't read many of his posts. Check out the "American Women" topic. He has essentially been saying the exact same thing over and over again in that topic (and now, having just visited this topic for the first time the other day, I see he's saying the same thing elsewhere too). He repeats himself endlessly without offering any kind of insight, and what he's saying isn't even valid. He states, over and over, that ALL American Women are horrible, materialistic, hard-nosed b i t c h e s, without exception. I'll grant him that some very definately are, but there are good and bad people absolutely everywhere. His assertions are gross generalizations, and what he says is patently untrue. He's essentially preaching a kind of predjudice, and I'm going to challenge him on it. Sorry if that bothers you. :-)

enlighter...I have to assume that as somebody who has not left India you may believe the things you read on this board. The truth is that just as the things written here about India were wrong, many of the things that you read here about other countries are also wrong. I don't want to pick on individual posters here, but a few guys here are very angry that they can't get attention from American women and are saying bad things about the women rather than face their own shortcommings. Some go so far as to make up fantasy lives in other countries where imaginary women fall at their feet everytime they walk down the street. The truth is women in all countries are mostly the same. If a man can dress well, speak in a civil manner and earn a decent living he will have no trouble finding women who will want to marry him..... If he is looking for quick sex, he is going to have to pay for it.

LOL here's my two cents, after 300+ ho's in 100+ countries:

American women have turned so bitchy and demanding, that we have had to turn into wimps just to please them or at least not get sued for sexual harassment. Because of our de-balling, we Gringos seem very sweet to non-U.S. women.
In the meantime, in 99% of the world, a girl isn't worth dogshit. Hell in Thailand and China and many other countries a daughter is WORSE than nothing, because Dad has to save and pay a dowry to some guy to marry her!!!! Thus, most 3rd world men treat their women like shit, and the women learn to be sweet and subservient, so as not to get hit and join the SLAPAHO tribe.

Result: American men treat *****S better than 3rd world men treat their WIVES! When I meet a chica in Brasil, Thailand, Nicaragua, Cebu, Seoul, etc., that I really LIKE, I take her to dinner, maybe even a movie, buy her a few trinkets, ask about her family, etc. Heck, if she is nice and sweet, I even open doors for her! Basically, I am trying to recreate an American "date", as I have been taught bvy demanding American women.
Meanwhile, she is playing the subservient role, hanging on my arm, saying I rove yoo sooo mush!!!! and cutting my food and wiping my arse for me, as SHE has been taught by the demanding macho males of her country.
And heck to her, this isn't a fate worser than death, she is staying in an A/C motel, watching my big color TV and eating well. Otherwise she would be married, with 6 kids, to some macho loser back in the village who hits her, and she would be walking the rice paddies behind the buffalo every day, or working in front of a sewing machine for $4 a day. And when it's all over, I give her a month's salary just for hanging out at a luxury hotel that she could never get into without me, and rolling around for an hour with a guy who is nicer, cleaner, and less rough than any local man would be! It is what we call in business a WIN-WIN situation!
The irony is that we call this a GFE: Girl Friend Experience. Well I am not as bitter as some, because I have dated over 100 U.S. women, but I have NEVER had a U.S. girlfriend who gave me a "GFE" like, say ummm Carla in Brasil, or Tina in Argentina... or Goob in Pattay (ahh memory lane, pass the handcream!!!)
In the meantime, ironically, it is great for THEM too, because they have told me that I treat them better as a ho, than any Brasilian/Thai/Argentinian/Czech/Ozzie/Flip/Korean man would treat his WIFE!!!
In other words, we have been so pussywhipped by American women, and they have been so mistreated by their local men, that we seem very sweet and romantic to EACH OTHER! Ain't THAT a laugh???? Well, as I said to my buddy the other day as we were siting in a 3rd world massage parlor, all things considered, I would rather be the one sitting here and drinking beer and choosing a girl, than to be one of the hundred girls smiling back at us with numbers on their dresses. Just remember, it's a tough life, and, but for fate, THAT COULD BE YOU OR YOUR SISTER, so treat em with a little respect.

I say that the bitchy American women should hook up with these abusive villagers and see what they take for granted from us American men. Meanwhile the sweet, caring foreign women are right for us because we treat women like queens and the foreign women treat us like kings. We would meet our right partners if us Americans and the foreigners switched partners. The foreign men need bitchy feminist American women to put them in their places and us American men and the foreign women need the loving and caring attitudes we would give each other. In fact, my relationships in Brazil were a thousand times better than the relationships I had with American women. Not to mention the sex was better and I didn't have to wait 3-5 dates for even a kiss. In Brazil, I had sex with the Brazilian girl the first night of dating (protected of course to prevent illegitimate kids). Actually, now I would like a family from a foreign woman instead of from an American woman. I however, since I an Chinese in the racial sense, had to prove I was American by speaking fluent English. In fact, Rosie (short for Rosengela) thought I was from China until I opened my mouth and spoke fluent English. She then found out I was American. American men have a reputation in Brazil of being not only rich, but caring and party lovers. Maybe my American status got me laid or maybe she wanted to experiment with an Asian guy. Asian guys are also worshipped in brazil. Brazilians understand that most of their technology comes from Japan so they think that I am technologically intelligent. In fact, unlike in America where I ocassionally get into a fight or get insulted for being Asian, I get a lot of praise from the Brazilian people. I speak semi-fluent Portugese so I would understand or catch on if they insult me or at least the girl I dated would tell me but no one in Brazil insulted me.

I read many of the post here and my opinion is not drastically different. I don't know if it actually "American Women" or Just our American way of life.

I work with some women who were born and brought up in China but are here for the last few years. Couple of them have not lot their roots and are humble and very nice and decent. But some have turned outright bitchy. They claim how have all this freedom here, where as in China they have bow to their husbands and suck their entire lives. One of them also explained how when she lived with her husband in China she was so oppressed and now she says, I have so much options, I don't care for him and I can dump him anytime and he does all the laundry & cooking too.

Damn, are we creating these monsters out of women. Is this what we call freedom. There dosen't not seem to be any equality just threat and coersion to stay married.

I am a single guy, the more and more I see this I really doubt if you can find someone. Even if you find a nice girl outside the US they mabe become the ***** monsters thru association it seems.

Phish,
You are absolutely correct. I have seen so many Asian women come here, and within a matter of months, they are transformed from sweet, loving companions, to raging, materialistic cunts, who are every bit as awful, if not worse, than their American sisters! It truly IS an impossible situation, as long as we insist on living in the U.S.

I agree that foreign women turn bitchy when they come to America. The American influence doesn't happen the moment she steps off the boat though but it sometimes takes time or she has to meet the wrong person. I almost got married to a Cuban immigrant I met while teaching Math in a City University of NY, Kingsborough Community College. She was very nice and respectful towards me when I first met her. She just got her citizenship in the US when she entered high school so I met her during her fourth year in the US. Two years after I first dated her and got engaged to her, she met a feminist ***** named Martha in New York University, the school Nury transferred to after 2 years, who taught her the American ways of "freedom". Martha brainwashed my ex-fiancee, Nury, into believing that women have the true power of the household and that men should be puppets. Martha also told Nury to quit working out with me and eat fast foods with her and told her to "be her own person and in charge of her man". This was an extreme change in Nury's character, from a loving and caring woman to a complete neo-feminist *****. I don't know what I did to deserve this but I was very loving and respectful towards her. I always listened to Nury and solved her problems, bought her things she needed and wanted, and cared deeply for her and I never even physically or mentally abused her but after meeting Martha, Nury started being abusive. It's not really that we are nice to these women or overspoil them but it is the American influence. If I lived in Cuba with Nury, she would never have met such an American neo-feminist ***** like Martha and we would still be together. This is why I'd like to retire in Brazil and marry a much younger, much prettier and less shallow girl.

What chuponalgas says is true in my experience.

By the way, it's true that the situation in Europe is a little better than the US, but there are big differences within. Those of use who live in the North-West of Europe see women from Eastern Europe in the way that some of you guys see women from Latin countries.

One problem here is that the girls are more conservative and less materialistic than their western counterparts - sounds great, but the disadvantage is that means that they won't usually have sex with you just for a visa or because they think you are rich (professionals aside of course).

On the other hand they are all looking for the right men. I live in an area where there are almost no westerners (Kosice in Slovakia), but the girls are trying to find themselves a good man, and make sure to dress themselves well at all times and try to look pretty all the time - the main street looks like a fashion catwalk at times. The girls have difficulty finding a good man though, because the local men are almost all openly chauvinist alcoholics. When you get to know a girl and she works out that you are different (ie that you are a closet chauvinist alcoholic, who can actually control when he misbehaves) then you have a good chance of getting into a L-T relationship with a girl who behaves and looks much better than her western counterparts, and who also has not had lots of previous boyfriends.

Don't know the situation about needing Spanish to teach English in Mexico, but out here you don't need to speak the local language to teach advanced students (there was no English teaching under communism, so even most professional teachers have average English (having learnt from books, or other teachers who had learnt from books), and if English is your native language then you will get a job easily).

Just wondering as a Black man what are the best countries to go to? This is a great site but one thing that may need to be taken more into account is race. Many of the same countries that worship white skin, dislike the opposite. I know being American negates some of this, but whats's the deal?

I'm not here to make any moral judgements, but from a practical point of view perhaps I need to interpret these country reviews through a different lense so to speak. It's ironic, but a friend told me a blackman in Germany or Amsterdam would do just as well <or better> with non pro's than with pro's. I recognize these are not 3rd world countries we are talking about here,so that may be a factor. Conversely I'm told some Thais, Dominicans, and other dark skinned peoples have varying degrees of disdain for dark skin and therefore may charge a black man more than the usual rates. Comments? Opinions?

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In Europe at least the best countries to go to as a black man would be the western ones (which is unlucky as the East is better in lots of ways).

Your black skin will be most attractive in countries where there are few black men (like 1 percent of the whole population), as most of the girls will not have known a black man and you will be their one chance. In countries where there are lots of black people (like 5-10 percent as in UK, France) you will be just like a normal guy (so you won't have extra luck with the girls). In countries where there are virtually no black people (usually former communist countries) then there will be lots of predjudice against you - partly because people are not used to black people (except as gangster rappers on TV, which doesn't exactly help), and if you read about the treatment of the Roma/Gypsies in most eastern european countries you will see they are quite racist anyway (like USA in the 50s).

So I think your friend was probably right about Germany - it has few blacks, but it also has a non-predjudiced attitude - that's your ideal combination to make it with non-pros.

manofkosice,


Thanks, that's what I figured. I heard Iceland would qualify too....
You white guys are lucky, you are the shit in Asia, Africa , and South America.

That is because the white guys are known to have the money. Some foreigners think black men are poor. The only thing that will negate this is the fact that you are American so by all means mention that you are American. When I went to the cave club in DR, all the women flocked to me because I was a well dressed Asian American guy. Nobody sat next to my black friend who looked like a Domican local and he spoke fluent spanish so he was thought to be poor and abusive like the DR men. When I mentioned he was American in broken spanish, the girls started sitting next to him also. American men are known to treat their ladies right, especially the brothas. They are known to spoil their women and not to abuse them unlike DR men. Both of us walked out with women just by saying we are American and that's what makes me proud to be one overseas.

I am black and I went to Brazil to see some friends the women were really receptive! Especially the mulatas (some have blue eyes)! Just go to any fast food restaurant and speak english little and they will start to flirt!

I also heard Chile is a good place to go for brothers!

Also I dated a Columbian girl in the U.S. She told me that there is a island where White European and White American women travel to have sex with black men! There are places in Jamaica like that too!

I know a lot of Japanese girls and some love black guys! As a matter of fact my roommate who is Jamaican has a live in Japanese girlfriend. My friend who are white and U.S. Marines told me that black guys in Japan don't have to pay for pussy or food because the Japanese girls spoil them!

I the Philipines blacks are treated good!

I Thailand "The land of vertical smiles" black are treated good!

Basically avoid China and Korea!

I even heard Taiwan was o.k. not the best but o.k.

Go to www.goldsea.com in the poll section for asian women and black men! And you will see some examples of blacks in asia.

You just have to remember that most asian are easily influenced by the media! And some take everything as fact. So the best thing to do is to be sensitive to their concerns and try to smile and be helpful. Explain all question clearly and even when you're pissed don't get emotional!

Here is a story you may like! A buddy of mine was in the USAF and he was sent to Greenland! It was so cold there and the base he was at there were no females 64 men!

So all of the white men would go to a city called "Too Lee" but they would tell the black men they hate you in "TOO LEE" don't go! So he being a brother went anyway!

When he arrive he saw brothers with 5 girls a piece driving the local (girls) cars staying in their home and kicken it at the bars with them!


Iceland, Poland, Romania and Hungry are the same way!

Black music (Rap,Hip Hop) has helped and damaged our imagine aboard in many ways, exploit the positive! Just remember we control youth culture with our styles!

Whether you're a brother or not, a good rule of thumb I've found when traveling (as an American) is to refer to your city or state of origin, as opposed to saying "I'm an American".

When you say you're American, you instantly embody the ugly, Yankee, capitalist American imperialist. When you say you're from California or Detroit, you get a more personal conection and will hear "Oh, Disneyland!" or "Ahh, Motown. I really like the Camaro!".

Remember, you only have one chance to make a first impression.

Good luck and happy humping.

MC Ess Var

Example story: When I was in France a few weeks ago, I was drinking in a bar and a few people from an office were drinking adjacent me and upon hearing my American accented English, started making rude comments about Dubbya in French with some extra nasty phrases in English, clearly for my benefit. Rather than getting upset or defensive, I joined in the Dubbya bashing in French and wound up going home with one of the girls and fucking her silly.

In my own opinion whenever I visit Europe I make damn sure people know I am American. The next time I go I will even wrap myself in Old Glory. From my own experience in France, younger French people are very pro-America, even the large Islamic population are very warm to Americans. I knew a Turkish woman who has an American flag T-shirt that she always likes to wear.

mcessvar, You are right, when I went to Brazil and I use my California ID that open a lot of doors for me!

Brazilians and people from other countries love Americans not just because of the money but because we are known as party animals that brought hip hop, techno, reggae, pop music and other great music into their country. The fact that I am Asian makes Brazilians mistaken me as Japanese which they worship because most of their technology such as stereo systems and video games come from Japan. I am Chinese though but I play along with this mistaken indentity just to get into their pants. I also say that I can't speak Japanese because I was born and raised American. This combination makes it a lot easier for me to meet non-pros in Brazil. :)

I was expecting to be representing NYC in Amsterdam next month. But someone dropped a hint about Estonia... Brazil is a story of it's own. That will be my Mecca for next year.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkseid
[i]Brazilians mistaken me as Japanese which they worship because most of their technology such as stereo systems and video games come from Japan. I am Chinese though but I play along with this mistaken indentity just to get into their pants. [/i][/QUOTE]

I have a new hero.

hehe

That's the way Brazilians are! Everyone in Brazil who is dark skinned is assumed to be from the Northeast of Brazil and everyone that is pure white is assumed to be from the south of Brazil where the Germans, Poles and Italians live!

As for getting in their pants:
Brazilian women want a good time they are more comfortable with their sexuality.


They know that they are not men and most like it that way. American women BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN and a few LATINAS want it both ways! The wants the privileges of women and of men!

IF YOU DON'T MAKE A MOVE ON A BRAZILIAN WOMAN ON THE FIRST DATE SHE WILL THINK YOU ARE "VIADO" "GAY".

mcessvar - excellent point....!! i have found the same but never really gave it much thought. it just seemed to work better that way.

but i must say, i can't feel as good as some other posters here in the way americans are received as of late. i seem to see and experience only negative emotion toward the u.s. at the moment. i mean i get dam scared sometimes and pretty saddened by what it has now come to.

o.k. i don't usually post in this forum and so i am generally speaking about a different corner of the world that i travel in. i'm just killing some time and was passing through this forum. glad to know some of you guys out there are still finding the "proud to be american" experience.....

later,
-agl

On my first trip to Brazil when I first met my first Brazilian girlfriend (I didn't have money to pay for prostitutes at that time because I was in college), I was accused of being "viado" because I was used to waiting a long time for sex from American relationships. In America you have to work hard for sex. But my Brazilian girlfriend questioned why I did not make the first move and asked if I was "viado" (she gestured with flapping hands meaning gay). I said, "No I am NOT "viado". She then ripped off my clothes started kissing me then unzipped me and gave me a blowjob. Then she pushed me on the bed and sat on me and started fucking me (without condom). She then pulled me out and sucked it more until I released in her mouth and she swallowed it. I experienced culture shock because I didn't expect this to happen. I loved this experience and that's when I decided that Brazilian women are better and more passionate than American women.

darkseid-

You know, until recently, I too thought that you had to date American girls for time before you could fuck them. Turns out I was just picking the wrong girls. I will agree that I have a lot more one night stands in other countries. I haven't been to Brazil, but it sounds very similar to what I've experienced in European vacation spots.

On the other hand, I've found that I'm able to get pretty hot and heavy on the first date with most of the American girls I've dated over the last 5 years. I sleep with about half of them on the second date, a few more than you'd think on the first date and if there's no sex by date 3, there's no date 4. Almost all of these ladies have been met on the internet (American Singles, Match, etc.) in the regular boy-girl personals. I'm not looking for an LTR right now, so there's no pressure to find Ms. Right.

With US girls, no means no, but if you know how to play the role, she'll never think to say it. Be a gentleman, but let the "accidental touch" linger. If you're interesting and attractive enough to hold their interest, you will get laid as long as you've been sure not to date a Christian, a feminista or someone in rehab (doesn't matter what for).

Actually, the most fuckable American girls are likely to be one or more of the following: Democrat, tatooed, overweight, college educated, over 30, bookish, urban or old suburban, into music other than Top 40 pop, funny. Bottom line, find girls that are somehow out of the mainstream, either by choice or default. They are more interested in connecting, have less options to connect and you have something to hook them with.

Everybody talks about how much cheaper it is to get casual sex from professionals, but I've found that if I discount any emotional cost (potential rejection, etc.), if you're not time constrained, dating sex, even in the USA, is not too expensive. My typical MO is coffee or cocktails (you gotta drink), dinner (you gotta eat) and a stroll in an interesting area ($0). Really your only added costs are a dinner and some drinks for an extra person. Total cost: >$50. Even if you don't get laid on the first date, it's cheaper to grope than a strip to the strip club and if there's a second date ($100) it's cheaper than most AMPs and all US escorts.

Anyway, I split my time between date sex and pay sex and find I get benefit from both.

Happy humping out there!
MC Ess Var

Chilean women for LTR:
Many girls lost their virginity about 15 years old, many others still virgin to marriage.
An average chilean woman will wait over 2 /3 months of commitment before the first fucking, even when she had sex before, doesn't matter how
wet their panties are.
Now, women who travelled, those who are fascinating with foreign costumes, probabbly let you fuck the first night.
There are also, very horny girls arround, 'cause sexual restrictive society, some girls are extremely horny and others extremely cold.
If she trust you will not tell anybody (main concern), she'll feel more confident. You gotta make she feel confident about sex, 'cause teachers, priests, government, and TV has told her whole life sex
is only to make children, not to enjoy. The best seasson to get the girls horny is summer on any beach, they have a little more freedom there and
they take advantage of summer and less parents supervission.
It's not common find a woman under 35 years old single and living alone. Most part of single girls living alone are from the rich part of the city.
Married chilean women are quiet with their husbands, if you get enganged to a chilean woman remember you are the king she's the serveant, this also applyed for STR.
Chilean women are mostly looking for marriage a rich guy and go shopping.
Doesn't matter what they say, they will catch you, very often they will use the old trick of being pregnant. But remember that say abort it's not same that in other countries.

Any of you guys had an experience with German girls. I just met this chick from Berlin and she's very tough to read. I'm pretty sure she likes me but doesn't show it too much emotion. IAre they usaully conservative but wild behind closed doors?

[quote]originally posted by mcessvar
[i]darkseid-

you know, until recently, i too thought that you had to date american girls for time before you could fuck them. turns out i was just picking the wrong girls. i will agree that i have a lot more one night stands in other countries. i haven't been to brazil, but it sounds very similar to what i've experienced in european vacation spots.

on the other hand, i've found that i'm able to get pretty hot and heavy on the first date with most of the american girls i've dated over the last 5 years. i sleep with about half of them on the second date, a few more than you'd think on the first date and if there's no sex by date 3, there's no date 4. almost all of these ladies have been met on the internet (american singles, match, etc.) in the regular boy-girl personals. i'm not looking for an ltr right now, so there's no pressure to find ms. right.

happy humping out there!
mc ess var [/i][/quote]

the american women i meet in bars, clubs, gyms, or classes expect you to get to know them on the first date and that first date in only to get to know them in most cases. they all refuse to have sex with you because of that initial barrier especially in a big city like new york where there are over 3000 [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] reported per year.
the personals seem to be the most popular way people meet in this big city because it is convenient and you don't have to spend countless nights looking for someone with your same interests only to end up finding women that don't share your interests. (i had a lot of those including unadventurous book readers that are afraid of heights, the religious prude, the money grubber, and anything else bad you can think of... and still no sex from them). the personals cut out the first date and you get to see what kind of person they are in advanced. because the first date which is a barrier is removed, they feel more comfortable having sex with you in most cases. the least amount of dates i had to go through to get sex is the second date and that is a girl i met on the personals because we cut out the smalltalk and we just talk about the hobbies we are into. i was afraid to ask her to have sex on that first date because i thought she would be like any other american woman but maybe i could have scored that night if it wasn't for my stereotyping of aw. the second date we got passionate and had it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Three x
[i]I am black and I went to Brazil to see some friends the women were really receptive! Especially the mulatas (some have blue eyes)! Just go to any fast food restaurant and speak english little and they will start to flirt!

I also heard Chile is a good place to go for brothers!

Also I dated a Columbian girl in the U.S. She told me that there is a island where White European and White American women travel to have sex with black men! There are places in Jamaica like that too!

I know a lot of Japanese girls and some love black guys! As a matter of fact my roommate who is Jamaican has a live in Japanese girlfriend. My friend who are white and U.S. Marines told me that black guys in Japan don't have to pay for pussy or food because the Japanese girls spoil them!

I the Philipines blacks are treated good!

I Thailand "The land of vertical smiles" black are treated good!

Basically avoid China and Korea!

I even heard Taiwan was o.k. not the best but o.k.

Go to www.goldsea.com in the poll section for asian women and black men! And you will see some examples of blacks in asia.

You just have to remember that most asian are easily influenced by the media! And some take everything as fact. So the best thing to do is to be sensitive to their concerns and try to smile and be helpful. Explain all question clearly and even when you're pissed don't get emotional!

Here is a story you may like! A buddy of mine was in the USAF and he was sent to Greenland! It was so cold there and the base he was at there were no females 64 men!

So all of the white men would go to a city called "Too Lee" but they would tell the black men they hate you in "TOO LEE" don't go! So he being a brother went anyway!

When he arrive he saw brothers with 5 girls a piece driving the local (girls) cars staying in their home and kicken it at the bars with them!


Iceland, Poland, Romania and Hungry are the same way!

Black music (Rap,Hip Hop) has helped and damaged our imagine aboard in many ways, exploit the positive! Just remember we control youth culture with our styles! [/i][/QUOTE]

Hey Bro,

My brother went to Japan In 95. He mentioned that when he was there(2 weeks) they treated him like a king!! Had sex with like 5-7 women They BADLY want the BLACK EXPERIENCE He's going Back again In June. You said it best "Exploit the Positive" Oh..... and he's a rap artist

Oh by the way I'm VERY unviersal. It's all pink inside to me!:)

I've noticed there's alot of talk about Brazil here and I just wanted to add my thoughts on the subject.

I'm 20 years old and I come from Sweden. Last year I travelled around South America. I started out in Venezuela but left after a few days since I found the women rather arrogant (in fact they weren't but I was still under the massive Internet propaganda about desperate Latin women). I then went to Peru, Lima and had the best experience ever in my life. The women were crazy about me it seemed like I could have how many girlfriends I wanted. If I would walk into a store the female attendants would all flirt with me and anyone I asked out on a date said yes (even if she was 10 years older than me). I was basically in paradise. Still I thought Brazil would be better, especially in attitudes towards sex. Well boys I made the mistake of my life going to Brazil. Rio de Janeiro was hell. Boring, dull and arrogant women. They would completely ignore and I didn't see more than a handfull of women over 15 years old in Copacobana where I had my appartment. Most of the girls were white and cared less about a gringo. As if matters couldn't be worse even the prostitutes ignored me. And after a few visits to "Help Disco" I realized I wasn't the only gringo they ignored. I found it incredible how the pros in Europe were far more anxious and service minded than in Brazil. Thinking that it was mainly Rio that was boring I decided to go North to Salvador, Bahia. The only thing which surprised me positively about Salvador was that there were real women around and they looked better than in Rio but still they didn't give me much more attention. At first I thought it might have something to do with me being young but I met older gringos as well (30 and 40 y.o) who faced the same dilemma. Incredibly enough however I found a girlfriend and fell in love with her so I stayed in Salvador for five months. During this time I learned more about how to play the game in Brazil. The number one rule is, the Brazilian women are arrogant and lazy; you will have to approach them and flirt with them if you want to get anywhere. They all think they're bloody supermodels because of how much and ruthlessly the local men flirt with them. The routine is basically to drag them in their clothes to get their attention.

After having enjoyed the highlane and the ease of getting ladies in Peru, I was shocked with the appaling situation in Brazil. I have no idea how people here can speak so warmly of the Brazilian women.

Lithium,

I spoke highly of Brazil because I had a great experience there. In fact being Asian has a major advantage in Brazil over being white because Asian men are a rarity there. I used prostitutes the first 2 nights but hooked up the third night because the Braizlian girl I hooked up with in NUTH club was curious about me. However, some Caucasian guys also had good experiences here as well. Everybody gets different experiences or opinions of a place. Perhaps people enjoy New York City but I HATE it and desperately want to leave. In NYC I am considered a short geek. NYC women prefer tall men (even the dwarves want a man above 5'7"). I am only 5'4" tall. In Brazil, I am a new flavor because there are not too many Asian men that live in Brazil only a few Japanese people that migrated there from America during WWII. They overlook my lack of height. Also what helps if you are not Asian or Brazilian is the fact you try to adopt their culture instead of ignore it. I take capoeira- a Brazilian dance martial art and I speak portugese. If they see that you love their culture, they'll love you.

Darkseid,

You're right about Asians. My girlfriend (who was exceptionally beautiful) use to date a Korean-Brazilian. The same guy was now involved with other model looking women and seemed really popular. Brazil also seems to be a good country for black guys. As for other caucasians, I find it hard to believe how anyone could have had such a great experience with normal women (prostitutes don't count as one could have fun for $ 100 anywhere in the world) unless they look like Brad Pitt or whatever. I met about 4-5 gringos in my trip as well and none of them seemed to be very popular among the ladies. Things just seemed so much better in Peru so I'm just wondering why the priorities look like they do. I do give the Brazilian women credit for being beautiful, and as a buttman I've never felt quite as at home.

That's true Rasta. I noticed how female store merchants would flirt more with black guys than they would with latinos. My girlfriend also told me that the girls prefer black men over white. Still that was all in the lower classes of society, I doubt the latin women in the higher classes are as open about dating black men since the country is so extremely segregated otherwise. And the thing is, the rich women don't have to date foregin guys to get out of the country. They could go abroad with their own funds and probably live a better life in material terms than they could in the West. So all in all Brazil is not really good for a white tourist. It migth be different if you actually live there permantly though. After I had been in Salvador for about 4 ½ months I had finetuned my game so that I could almost match the same numbers as I had my first week in Peru.

The women in the upper classes in Brazil tend to go for Portugese speaking whites or Asian guys since they are stereotyped to also be in the same class. Asian guys are known to bring technology into their country and are jknown to be businessmen. Caucasians who speak Portugese are also known to be upper class businessmen and are very respected. Caucasians that don't speak Portugese are known as middle class tourists who just go to Brazil for nothing more than pleasure at a lower cost country. That is why they don't go for English speaking Caucasians that much. The girl I met at NUTH was an upper class woman and I know she doesn't have the alterior motive of money or leaving the country.
The poor Brazilians are more open to dating blacks or latinos. They also go for Asians and whites as well as long as you can speak Portugese. Most of the lower class girls don't speak a word of English and try to communicate with you with sign language if you don't speak Portugese. Fortunately for myself, I can speak with the lower class. :-)

Jordan, I'll give you my opinions as a Blackman who lived in Japan for several years and encountered all types of women...


Indian/India girls: I was real curious because of the similarities and differences they have with a brother man, but trying to FIND them, find them MINUS India brother c*** blockers, and then “Break down” Indian sisters is annoying. From my long observations, Many India ladies in Japan go for the White brothers & definitely have color issues… But, I did get lucky, so when you see an opening for a SLAM DUNK then… “Just do it”. I think the main problem is there limited numbers in Japan and few seem to go anywhere, except the occasional college student. Note: Interestingly, I have known many Russian women that would hang out with Indian & Pakistani guys

Australian ladies: Bro… Just about every Australian woman I met in Japan has been down with Black American brothers. Even if not you, than the brother “next” to you… It is plain too weird, even for me. Many had great personalities, completely understood the bullshit of Black versus White American issues, and wanted to have FUN with da brothers. Australians are also more American, in a good way, than the Europeans that I met. Weird, but I’ll take the good when it is given to me. I’m thinking about doing some in depth studying about exactly why this is the case.


European women:

Many European women speak English, (but not all) and had a high level of fluency.

Many European women that me & my friends talked to made it a point to tell us that they prefer US to Japanese guys.

Many told us they were in Japan for the money. There good and bad stories were very similar to those of Black Americans. Japanese money & safety good, but Japanese prejudice (even against White skin), childishness, & weird perverts were bad.

Many European women were VERY turned on by guys with muscles, height, or macho. It was either 2 out of 3 and not necessarily all. Guys with muscles in fact were even a bigger hit with European women in Japan than with women in the U.S. Many European women that I met will touch you and be all over you… Very different from the reactions of Japanese women who seem very shy or afraid of guys with muscles or height.

European women don’t usually approach guys, so it up to the guy to approach her. Guys with BOLD & “smooth” approaches were awarded more often and CAVE MAN grabs are dangerous. Oddly cave man & very direct tactics worked MORE with Japanese women and this is probably because of language barriers and Japanese culture.

African men seem to do very well with European women in Japan. I think the Pimp & Agent stuff is because various European women from the poorer countries work in Japan as Hostesses and Dancers. Various African men in Japan have developed connections and are able to help them get VISAs or get jobs at certain Clubs. African guys also OWN some clubs in Japan, so the European women work DIRECTLY for them.

Note: Don’t underestimate those African brothers in Japan. Many speak 3 to 4 languages, try to OWN their own businesses, dress with style & flash GOLD (once they get money), & will use Black American popularity & trends to their advantage.

Europeans who don’t mind talking to da brothers in JAPAN (just my observation): Russians, Ukrainians, Estonia, Latvia, Polish, Hungary, Denmark, Yugoslavian, & Croatian women.

Other European women that I or my friends talked to were more on a “case by case basis” & did not show any trends. I did meet some Romanian women with race issues and gypsy issues. Gypsies are usually darker (some type of India, Muslim, White mix) on average than the people of the countries they are in and there has been a lot of persecution of them. So European countries with high Gypsy population, like Romania, may have severe race/color issues.

Filipina girls in Japan: RUN, RUN AWAY… In Japan, the ones I’ve seen will scam on you for money. “Buy me this, buy my friend this, my cousin needs money…” …and the sex… Many act like sexy super freaks, but when it is time to get down the catholic comes out (even though they ain’t livin that way) and it is straight missionary position and “owww, it hurts.. owww”. ####, is yall freaks or is you just scamming for cash? The “word” is that if they are “FRESH” from the “BOAT” and you are WHITE WHITE than it might be possible to find a “good one”. Good luck sailors… Weird, cause the ones I met in the U.S. were “case by case” decent. There are a FEW that KNOW they are “Black”… Huh? And are with da brothers… Good luck finding them, but I have seen them.

Thai girls: See Filipina… above… Seen a couple of super fine ones…

Chinese girls: See above… Money scam after money scam… True love only for WHITE WHITE… All into their own culture like CHINA is the CENTER OF THE D*MN UNIVERSE. China this… China that… China will rule… Give me your money… I have been around lots of Chinese since High School. Only exceptions were those who were bi-racial (usually White & Chinese) and somehow were interested in Black guys. Odd ain’t it... Maybe I’m just really unlucky with this group.

Mongolian: Don’t know…

African: Seen a lot of ones that had possibilities, but were totally unrefined. I seen some that were refined (hair done, nice nails, got the walk, got some money, got da clothes) and they will blow your mind. Met one that was a dancer and made any man’s jaw drop. This will be controversial, but… More feminine than American women… Way MORE African men than women in Japan, so can be hard to fine & then there is the “refinement” issue.

Brazilian: Among the prettiest women I HAVE EVER MET OR SEEN WERE Brazilian. VERY FUN loving, feminine but very no bullsh*t “straight forward”… All kinds of flavors, Black & White, White & Asian, or just everything… Can be a bit hard to find in Japan or to recognize because different color mixes… Some have severe issues about race (White versus Black), while others (Light or Dark) don’t give a #### about color & with da brothers… Hard to figure which is which… Don’t chase brothers, seem to be into Brazilian culture, and money focused in Japan. American Brothers will have to chase them down & LEARN their HANG OUT SPOTS. They WILL often Judge (my opinion) you by clothes, appearance (VERY QUICKLY), college, AND how MUCH YOU MAKE. Seem to Like MACHO acting guys that have their TOTAL act together.

Korean: Mixed bag as far as the brothers concerned, but some are very much worth the trouble. I was in Korea during the World Cup this summer… Taller, clearer skin, straighter teeth on average than their Japanese sisters. Don’t go insane Bleaching their hair yellow or go NUTS following White or Black countries and trends. Often conservative… Like in Japan there is a considerable group that is VERY INTO Black American culture, music, & Black men. Have many positive virtues or Asian female virtues such as TEAM WORK, femininity, loyalty, “quite” determination, etc… Can be harder to “crack” than Japanese or European women, but just as easy IF you know the culture… Can be more argumentative and jealous than Japanese, but more affectionate… Note: Oddly, I met some RUSSIANS in Korea that were very into Black guys too.

ZaiNichi Korean: Almost married one in Japan. More likely to understand Black Americans than average Japanese. Many positive virtues or Asian female virtues such as TEAM WORK, femininity, loyalty, “quite” determination, etc… Harder to FIND, can be harder to “crack”, can be harder to break up with than Japanese… In a relationship, seems more marriage orientated and displays greater loyalty to her “man” than Japanese sisters. Note: Don’t expect Koreans that grew up in Japan to be like those from Korea. There are some strong Korean cultural influences, but it can be hard to see them. Use Korean language ability and look out for lots of Korean products in the house to be your guide on this.

Ooopsss... Almost forgot South Americans:

Very much into their own Latin culture, "case by case" situation for da brothers, lots of White versus Black issues, money focused... Note, I personally think messing with Columbians in Japan is dangerous and I almost got “ganged up on” a few times... Was in some intense situations with Columbian guys… Flip side… I met some brothers with women from El Salvador (maybe something special for da Brothers) who were real happy and their ladies looked like “full body” Asian & Indian mixes, but were “full blooded” Spanish… One of the few times I got jealous over another brother’s girl… Brothers will most likely have to GO TO Salsa/Latino hang outs & Clubs. Some Spanish very, very helpful but not necessarily a must… Seem to like masculine, well dressed, “well styled” hair (fades, waves, etc…), “smooth” actin brothers… Seen a number of dudes that I thought were Black Americans, but turned out to be really Spanish… Knowing how to DANCE is a mega plus… I “lucked up” because I would go with Dominican & Puerto Rican pals… so maybe that is important too

Guys,
something about latinas (yes that includes also Brasil girls!) in general.

I traveled in peru,DR (and eastern Europe) and go now on a trip to Brasil (Fortaleza and manaus) for three weeks in February 2003.
I can only say that I also found out that many girls on the internet belong to upperclass family and are indeed snobs or arrogant:-(
So my advise would be: learn the lingo and go out there!!!!

In SA the language (spanish or Portugese) is indeed an issue. Even in Lima in a big hotel nobody spoke any decent english!!

The key to 'seduce" the girls is indeed learn their language. Now spanish wasn't so difficult for me. But Portugese is another ballgame:-( It looks like spanish but the proninciation is VERY different.

Also I can confirm that many professional latinas are looking for prof. men. They don't care if you make good money with a blue clour job....they also want (need?) Status!! And if they have to eat SHIT with a DESKJOB they will rather eat SHIT then to find a guy that is working in shifts in a factory!!!!;-)
And that is a very negative side of the latin personality imho.

So during my trips to come I will focus on lower class or lower middle class girls regarding my quest for a wife. Nurses,schoolteachers or factory girls.
They,most likely,are best to blend in in my home country the Netherlands. here nobody has a wife with 3 kids that stays all day home:-( It's just not possible.

Here we don't have money to hire maids and gardeners all day....;-) It would set back you a small fortune:-(

I personaly say for pussie action South-America kicks ass:-)
Here you can find all varieties in skin colours...from white....to dark black and everything in between:-) And that's were Brasil comes in!!! personaly I prefer the darker latinas or a mullatta:-)
But that doesn't mean I would kick off a 8-ish white girl of my bed-edge...LOL
Exceptions are Chili and Argentina as there are mostly white population.

Johan.

KNICKFAN,

[i]"Australian ladies: Bro… Just about every Australian woman I met in Japan has been down with Black American brothers....I’m thinking about doing some in depth studying about exactly why this is the case."[/i]

If you need some help with your "research"...call ME!! LOL I luuurve Black American men, and so does practically every other Australian woman I know. Guys...Knickfan is telling you the truth. If you ever visit Australia on one of your "mongering tours", I will pretty much guarantee you'll have hookers falling at your feet. You won't get any of that stuck-up, racist crap from an Aussie girl. Some of the best sex I've ever had was with Black American sailors. There's just something about the way you move...... *sigh*

Well...you heard the man! Get yourselves Down Under!! :)

Johan,

If you've allready been to Peru you might be up for a negative experience when you got to Brazil. Namely the Brazilian low class girls don't discriminate much in skin colour and many of them prefer black over white. The middle class Brazilian girls also seem very snobbish and arrogant. Unlike in Peru they will not look at you in the streets or flirt with you in the shops. You might just feel completely ignored.

In Peru I met women from both low, upper and middle class (in a period of one week!) and they all seemed very nice and interested in getting to know me.

Where in Eastern Europe did you go? I spent most of this summer going around Ukraine, but I also visited Romania and Moldova. My strategy use to be to go for the poorest and most desperate women, but I soon discovered it was more rewarding going for women who are more on your level. Women who have some knowledge of the world and speak English. Not only are these girls more sophisticated and able to carry a conversation with you, they're also less arrogant and actually more approachable than the lower classes.

Hi RN,

Are Aussie women friendly to the short Asian guy? I am planning to take a trip down there one of these days but I suppose they may be less shallow than American women who are mean to the likes of me.

Darkseid,

Ok, so maybe I'm just a tiny, little bit biased...but I think Aussie girls are friendly to EVERYONE! ;)

Seriously though, our closest "neighbours" are Asian countries, and as such, there is a very large Asian population in Australia. That can work both for you and against you though...

On the positive side, racism against Asian men is relatively uncommon, so you'll have just as much chance of picking up chicks as anyone else has. On the negative side though...it means you don't have an "edge". Take Negro men for example (be they from America, England or Africa). There is not a very large Negro population in Australia, so Afro-American men really stand out. (There's also the fact that we are continually "teased" by images of gorgeous Black men in American music videos and movies!!) There is something "exotic" and exciting about a Black man, because there are not many around...Asian men don't have that luxury unfortunately.

That said, Australia is the land of the "fair go". We like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and we believe in giving people a fair chance to prove themselves. Not only that, but we are a friendly bunch. :) We like to drink and talk and really get to know people. Both of those things mean that you will get more of a chance to show a girl who your really are inside when you meet her, rather than having her judge you on looks alone.

One warning...don't go to Australia with a "women don't like short men" attitude. Australian women are strong and proud, and they won't tolerate a man who has a chip on his shoulder. You need to be able to laugh at yourself in this country. Aussies are famous for the saying, "No Worries", and most of us live our lives by that slogan. Be prepared to smile, laugh, (DRINK!!), and talk to strangers...and I think you'll love the place.

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[i]Hi RN,

Are Aussie women friendly to the short Asian guy? I am planning to take a trip down there one of these days but I suppose they may be less shallow than American women who are mean to the likes of me. [/i][/QUOTE]

short Asian guy? heh???
Have you seen that Asian guy........Singapore President
you think he is short........

Thanks RN. I can have fun in Australia as long as they don't zero in on my lack of height. In fact, I don't think about it as long as they don't bring it up like they do here in America. I guess that's why I travel a lot and have much better times abroad than in America. In America, they reject you if you have even one flaw and they even mention why they turn you down. This is why I always complain about my height is because American women always bring it up. I would otherwise have a good time if my flaws aren't brought to the spotlight.
I love Brazil for the same reason Blacks love Australia. In Brazil, Asian men have an edge over other guys because we are rare in Brazil. I had no problem getting free sex in Brazil. We are treated like gods or heroes because they consider us the bringer of technology and martial arts. Brazilian Jujitsu originated from the Japanese who fled America during WWII with the threat of being put into concentration camps.
I would like to go there some time. When is it the best time to go? Is there a Carnival type holiday I should check out like Holland's Queen's Day or Brazilian Carnival?

Darkseid;

Have you been to Buenos Aires? If you have, what was it like. I'm Asian American as well, so I'm interested in your opinion.

Thanks!

I've never been to Buenos Aires or any part of Argentina but I had an Asian ex-girlfriend that hooked up the first week she went down there. I don't really know how the girls in Argentina treat the Asian guys though but they probably love Asian men as well. I also don't speak Spanish, only Portugese so I didn;t venture to the Spanish parts of South America yet. I had a hard time communicating with the Dominican chicks even though they were easy to pick up. I am trying to learn Spanish so once I get an adequate knowledge of the language, I'll go to these parts.

Darkseid,

Australia doesn't really have any "festivals" as such, aside from the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras (I don't know if that's your thing, but it's a huge event in Sydney). I would say that Australia Day would be the biggest nationwide party (January 26th), probably followed by the Melbourne Cup (1st Tuesday in November). Otherwise each State is different, so I can't really suggest anything in particular.

Picking your best time for you to go, will probably come down to the weather. It gets very, very hot in many parts of Australia in summer. I would say the best time to come would be September - November (spring), or April (autumn/fall).

Every day's a fuckin' holiday in that country as far as I was ever able to tell.

darkseid;

Thanks for the reply. I guess I will have to work on my Spanish. I love the look of the girls, so I hope to go before the end of 2003. Thanks again!

Thanks RN. I will come next November. I don't want to come down to the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras besides the fact that I am not gay but I assume it will be difficult to hook up (with a girl that is) during that time.

Darkseid...please email me. I have a question to ask you. Thanks! Thnsk bo for emailing me...took of my address so I don't get spam....

Hey I would like to study Chinese in China do you have any advice! By the way I am Black!

[email]threex@theinbox.org[/email]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RN
[i]KNICKFAN,

[i]"Australian ladies: Bro… Just about every Australian woman I met in Japan has been down with Black American brothers....I’m thinking about doing some in depth studying about exactly why this is the case."[/i]

If you need some help with your "research"...call ME!! LOL I luuurve Black American men, and so does practically every other Australian woman I know. Guys...Knickfan is telling you the truth. If you ever visit Australia on one of your "mongering tours", I will pretty much guarantee you'll have hookers falling at your feet. You won't get any of that stuck-up, racist crap from an Aussie girl. Some of the best sex I've ever had was with Black American sailors. There's just something about the way you move...... *sigh*

Well...you heard the man! Get yourselves Down Under!! :) [/i][/QUOTE]


Ah yes!!...now that's what I'm talking about!!...RN I still got my sight's on you ;)

Been lots of messages about where black guys will do best. So where will tall, blond, blue eyed scandinavians do well?
SE asia? africa? South America? When I was living in Thailand I read one day in Bangkok post about the ultimate looks which they meant were the¨typical nordic pale and blond look. Don't know if the rest of the thais shared that opinion or not, but that look is definetely more popular there than in scandinavia where a blond guy will do very poorly.

Ndara,

A lot of areas in South and Central America will go for your look. I just came back from a week trip in Rio yesterday. I´m tall with blue eyes and darker hair (also work out at the gym), and I found many of the women I was with very interested in my blue eyes (more expressive in their interest than other areas of South and Central America I have travelled). Two amigas in one of the termas I went to pulled my head back to the light and pushed up my eyelids like I was a speciman in a lab so they could get a better look. I don´t know about the rest of Brazil, but I found the Rio girls to really be into blue eyes. Hope this helps.

Ndara,

You might want to check some of the posts in the Paraguay section about a month or so back. It sounds like blue eyes and the N. European look are a big hit with the chicas in the capital city.

Jak!

Thanks for that info.! I really want to go to SA and paraguay do sound interesting,

A person will do well where their looks are exotic. A nordic man or woman will do really well in a place where those looks are exotic like in Brazil or elsewhere in South America. When I was in northern Europe, I noticed the locals liked darker looking men and women, this is probably because there are so few of them and that they stand out. In Amsterdam I noticed a lot of Dutch women had Moroccan and Turkish boyfriends. I saw a similar pattern in Paris and in Germany. In fact, interracial couples are very common in most large European cities. I've lived in New York, and despite New York's cultural diversity the attitude there towards mixed dating is very hostile compared to places like Amsterdam or London.

CBGB -

You are right in that the general concept is really about being exotic in a given location. I'd be interested to know more about where in the world an exotic look doesn't attract.
I forgot about these posts six months back. It's interesting that they were about Brazil. The main girl that seemed interested in my blue eyes was from Manaus - an interior city of Brazil. I was very recently reading the travel reports of a guy on another site who spent time in Manaus. He was talking at length about his blue eyes being such a big hit in this city. He actually got the colored blue contacts to make his eyes more extreme. He was laughing about how he almost felt like a rock star at times. He mentioned with some mixed emotions how he wished he had stuck around longer - but he wasn't particularly interested in a LTR or STR.
So, if you have blue eyes and like mulatto Brazilian babes, I think Manaus is worth some time.

For me, I have a look that is very Southern European and it works well when I visited Nordic countries, as the women find my looks unique. However when I go to a Southern European country like Spain or Italy, I don't stand out anymore and the women don't really care as much. A nordic male would do well in Brazil and other parts of South America, the Mediterranean, and Asia. A mediteranean looking guy will do well in Northern Europe, Canada, Australia, and Argentina.

Actually straight black hair is the hottest in Nordic countries. Yes, you guess right, Asians are doing quite well there. Sadly, men and women are not equal. Asian women are doing very well, but men isn't that bad. Nordic girls hate their men anyway.

On the other hand, blond blue women is doing well anywhere. They are just rare outside Nordic countries. Even in, say, Britain if a girl have that they state on their adv. Blond blue men is doing rather poorly. Even in Asia they may be OK for a STR for the curiosity factor. In developed cities I doubt if any Asian women will go for that in a LTR. But then many boys and girls dye their hair with blond strips. But I don't think that represents the popularity of naturally blond men. Unless you are Beckham.

Eh what a ridiculous post from tall and handsome. "nordic women hate their men anyway"??? completely untrue. sure they may find men with darker complexion in general good looking, but many many nordic girls like men with fair complexions as well. "nordic men will do poorly in asia as well". hmm how do you know? I lived in thailand for several times and more than a few times I read articles in bangkok post and the nation about the ultimate looks which they found to be the pale, blond and blue eyed swedish looks, whether it is a girl or a boy. And I never heard that the thai ladies found blond men less attractive. as a matter of fact few found the colour of the hair especially important. Looks are certainly much more than just the colour of the hair...

Ndara, if you read my posts before you will know that I'm usually highly opinionated. In this case one would need statistics to be serious and scientific. I haven't and my opinions are implied to be subjective.

My opinions are far from ridiculous. Did I say Nordic women hate the look of their men? No. It's a stereotype that Nordic men are rather backward in treating their women, drank a lot and prefer rough sex rather than passionate. American and British men for example generally treat their women better, but complain about it. Some western women thinks that women are treated better by Asian men. True or not any western women, including Nordic ones, with an Asian boyfriend, will reinforce that by telling others she is treated very well.

I said blond blue men is doing rather poorly, period. That means across the board. Obviously this is a highly charged statement for the fun of it. Women may fantasize about it but they don't necessarily act out their fantasies on a LTR. It's the same thing that many man don't date women who looked 18, or dumb blonds. (But also many men do, more than women.)
For Asia I stated that I refer to the developed cities, without a better word for them. That would be the once called Asian tigers. I'm not aware that Bangkok is one of them if you look at their GDP.

Made no mistake, the Nordic look is the ultimate look all over. Just look at TV ads on cosmetics. But even in North America some people are subtle about it (Americans) while some are obvious about it (Mexicans). In America many won't admit to it due to politically correctness, and the papers won't write about it. For one blond blue star who made it big in Hollywood, there are much more with other colors. You can say the same about women but then you can look at porn stars.

Doing poorly is rather different from being unattractive. Countless women dye their hair blond, and now even wear colored contact lens. Blond women somehow have some advantages, and that's not poorly. I'm sure men don't do that. Good looking and successful men get the girl. Color have little to do with that. That's poorly. I never implied that certain colors are inferior in appearance.

I agree somewhat about what you say about nordic men. What they are like sexually I really don't know.
I don't agree with you about your statement that blonde men are not attractive for a girl for a LTR. I can't believe that the colour of the hair should have such impact. Generally the only physical appareance that seem to be important for women worldwide is the height. Most women seem to prefer tall guys, I don't think I have ever heard a women say that she prefers short men, although for sure they exist as well.
As you say for every blond person that becomes a star there are countless non-blondes, but then there are so many more non-blondes. When I think of girls I can't say that I prefer only Blondes, brunettes or redheads or for that sake caucasians, asians or blacks. I like the individual and she can be either of the above mentioned. For a long term Relationship for sure looks are certainly not the most important, although of course not completely unimportant.
Now I am a typical nordic looking guy, tall, blonde and blue eyed and admittedly not what most nordic women would describe as the ultimate looking guy, but then again where my looks have been more rare, for example in east Asia and sub saharan africa my looks have many times been said to be perfect, which I guess is not because my blonde hair but more just because you are white in a non-caucasian country. I don't think they they look at us different whether we are blondes or brunettes. As a matter of fact when I and my best friend who is mediterranean looking was travelling in China 8 years ago we were often asked whether we were twins? So that a big city asian women would think twice before marrying a blonde just because he is blonde I seriously doubt. But then it is just my personal experiences and thoughts.
Anyway thanks for a quick well written reply.

i think this whole discussion goes back to the saying "opposites attract". i may be wrong on this, but i think there is a lot of truth in that statement. i'm pretty sure that it goes back to some primordial instinct to expand the gene pool.

if we look at history, until about 100 years ago, most people would be born, grow up, have children, and die in a relatively small geographic area, many times never venturing more than 50 miles from the place they were born. one result of this lack of travel is lack of diversity & eventually, everyone winds up looking pretty much the same. the problem that also arises from this lack of travel/lack of diversity is that eventually (over generations), everybody in the village/town is related to everyone else and eventually bad characteristics start showing up in the children that are born - i'm sure we've all heard jokes about babies born as a result of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url].

i think that our subconsious mind is somehow aware of this problem, so when we see somebody who is dissimilar to us in appearance, we tend to be attracted to their "exotic" looks. the result of this attractions, is new genetic material being introduced to the gene pool.

i'm sure that somebody is saying "i'm not planning on having a kid, i just wanna get laid!" that's fine, but why do we have a sex drive? it's to ensure the species propagates. in other words, the reason we have a sex drive is to ensure that babies get made.

cbgb mentions back in february, that interracial dating in the usa is far less prevalent than in europe. this may be true, but i can definitely say that's changing, even in the southern usa. i would have to say that american culture is still steeped in its puritanical roots (i personally think much of the puritanical values we americans hold up as virtue are perversions of nature).

one thing that i have observed over the years of working in south america and africa is that the most vocally bigotted white guy (regardless of his country of origin) in the group will almost always seek out the blackest hooker he can get his hands on and after the deed is done, will (temporarily) be the happiest person in the world - after all, "opposites attract".

cw

I have to emphasis that when I say doing poorly, it means the color doesn't have an advantage, or even hindrance. It does not mean more, or less, attractive in appearance.

In Asia it is indeed the contrast that comes into consideration. In poorer Asian countries, as long as your boyfriend is a westerner, you will have a better life, even if he is a pensioner or taking employment benefits. Whether the relationship last or not doesn't matter. Assume it doesn't and hope for the best. You don't have much to lose.

In Asia cities where the price of a flat is often more than that of Manhattan, it's different. For two good looking men, women will probably go for the more successful one rather than the blond one. Women understands that the relationship will probably last if the white man is plain looking rather than a trophy catch. There's a problem if the inter racial relationship doesn't last. Say if you once go out with an 18 year old dumb blond lookalike, it's difficult to date your other highly educated women friends as it's hard for them to take you seriously.

Asian tend to think in terms of genetics. The parents thinking will affect their choice of their children. Obviously tall and good looking are good genes, successful also reflects the brain capacity. Everybody want big, bright and beautiful babies. If the woman actually like your height, and color, they will think what a lot you have to give up - that your baby will be smaller, blond and blue are obviously non-dominant genes. In thinking so they doubt more whether the relationship will last.

Enough for my rubbish. What I really want to say is that I'm trying at all cost to avoid blond hair blue eye tall man with slim built in public places. Last time I sat next to one in the airport waiting. When one of his friend arrive, who is a woman, she admires me from head to toe like I'm his new found gay partner.

TallnHandsome!
Interesting views! never thought about it that way. I doubt that women actually think like that, but then I have never understood women fully.

My observation is that if you are good looking, or decent looking and have the right attitude and a sense of humor, you will do well anywhere.

As far as color, hieght, and other periphials, it's all more about current fads than anything. Some women seem to get onto a type, and that is what they want.

One thing is for sure, if the provider likes you, and even wants you, you will get alot more our of the deal.

TallnHandsome,

Quote: “When one of his friend arrive, who is a woman, she admires me from head to toe like I'm his new found gay partner.”

Friend, I don’t know you, but your excellent posts tell all of us that you are not a gay partner!

Just print a couple of your reports and keep them with you in your wallet to show any chica who questions your orientation!

Regards, Havanaman

PS. I'm not tall, not handsome, not blue eyed, blond hair and I still do very well... Pay for play and free chicas alike! Its all always in the attitude.

India, Bangladesh, Tibet, and China have the best women for relationships in my opinion.

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Sounds interesting; please do explain! :)

I used to hear these phrases before.

Live in American house.
Eat Italian food.
A French girl friend.
And Japanese wife.

They said that's heaven.

Which country other than the US has the most english speaking people? I'm looking for third-world type countrys.

Believe it or not try United Arab Emirates (Dubai). Check out the Forum section.

Great One,

You might try Australia; if it wasn't for my infatuation with Latinas, that would be my _first_ choice. For right now, it's still in my top 5.

Smut,

Yeah I prefer womon than have darker complextions than me. I would like to find the most english speaking people in areas like Mexico, South America, Gulf of Mexico, Africa, Eastern Europe, Asia. And where there is a low cost of living.

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Haven't you guys been paying attention to the outsourcing debates going on? India has a population greater than 1 billion, and a whole bunch of them speak English.

Hardbarg, Worf1972:

Yeah, I forgot about those places! But are these cultures expariate/tourist-friendly?



Great One:

Concerning Mexico and the rest of Latin America: unless you want to stick with tourist areas and border towns, your preference for English-speaking locales may limit the areas where you'll end up being. I've found that learning at least one commonly used foreign language (in my case it was Spanish) will not only increase your options, but will also allow you to enjoy and find out things to which a lot of visitors aren't privy. I've also found that a lot of locals will treat you differently (better) than the average tourist/expatriate.

Modern parts of China have a lot of attractive Western style women. Women in Hong Kong and Maucau are quite attractive.

Australia has its first princess today, Mary Donaldson, and she is quite pretty. A real life Cindarella.

Trip to brazil 843 dollars
hotel plus food 600 dollars
GFE while there with blessing from my Mexican Italian wife who was happy to see me upon my return Priceless.!!!!

Hardbarg,

At end of last year, cheap tickets are sold out in the order of India, Bangkok/Asia, Argentina / Brazil.

But India is vast and wealth unevenly distributed. I doubt if the best selection of providers are those educated with good English. For the elites, they are very snobbery about accents. For sure BBC English is OK, don't even know about American accents.

T&H

Feast,

Very not update.

Indonesian house - as big as you want. Don't need air cond in all the house, not even roof. Climate not too bad compared to California, but plenty of water.

Chinese food - those who managed to occupy and ruled China all became Chinese.

French girlfriend - not bad for freebie. Blowjob is as important as in USA but they start earlier.

Korean mistress - even the Japanese love them so much as to occupy Korea and bring some home the first thing.

Sorry no wife, I reside in California.

T&H

T&H:

The question was "Which country other than the US has the most english speaking people?"

The answer is India. In fact, my guess would be that there are more English speakers in India than on the rest of the planet combined.

As for other considerations, the variations are as wide as 1 billion+ people implies.

The actual answer to the question "Which country other than the US has the most english speaking people?" is, of course, the UK, with around 58 million. Next on the list, surprisingly, is actually Nigeria, with 43 million who mostly speak it as a second language. Then comes India, with about 37.3 million (only 320k of whom speak it as a first language) followed closely by the Phillipines with 36.4 million English speakers. Next are Canada (26 million), Australia (17 million), Pakistan (16 million), South Africa (13.6 million), and Cameroon (6.6 million), and Papua New Guinea (4.6 million). (Source: "The Future of English" by David Graddol.)

But a better way of asking the question might be to say, "Which country can I visit where it's most likely I'll run into an English speaker?" which takes density into account. In that instance, India doesn't fare nearly as well, as only about 3.5% of the population speaks English, compared to Nigeria where about 32% do, the Phillipines (43%), Cameroon (41%), South Africa (30%), Pakistan (about 11%), or Papua New Guinea (86%, though only 2% are actually fluent.) Using this approach you could also consider smaller places like Gambia, Guyana, or many places in the Carribean like Trinidad, where most speak English or a Creole form of it.

Don't forget Liberia. And with regard to the UK, where I am currently living (five more days, thank god), the question for an American is: can you [b]understand[/b] the English these people speak? A lot times I can't.

Ireland's even worse as far as being able understand them, but it only has about 4 million people anyway. Now what bites about the UK's 60 million people or so is that they are all crammed into a place the size of Oregon. This country is unbelievably overcrowded and bloody expensive as well.

you have to be careful about the 2nd language bit. most europeans pick english as 2nd language at school. most educated germans speak standard english fluently without funny accents of the british. i wouldn't say that about the french, even if they talk to you in english in public.

in asia, the extreme being hk, a former british colony, english is suppose to be the 2nd language. the kids are taught and tested, listening skills and oral skills. but if you talk to them in english on the streets, they will be shocked and speechless. at work even most documents are in english, unless they have an english speaking colleague, in no way they speak english to each other and their english oral skills deteroriate once they leave school or college.

the other day in san francisco, after some sex i asked my korean mp girl how old is she. she has no problem understanding but her natural reaction is to raise two curly fingers not vertically nor horizontally, which could be very obscene in some other cultures.

in some cultures where there are many dialects and the tribes couldn't understand each other, the 2nd language english will be spoken very often and often offical. like the eu. (forget french, they always find a way to upset the majority)

in homogeneous cultures like japan and china, it's wishful thinking for average providers to speak the 2nd language if they even have one. japanese are notoriously known for their bad english even in publications.

the other to watch are former british and american colonies or naval bases.

To The World: England! But you can't get your filthy foreign hands on them. Ha.

Joe Zop,

Interesting Statistics. Where'd you get them? I'm not trying to say they're wrong, but according to some trivia game (no idea which one) that a former co-worker would use in an attempt to stump me: the country with the most English speakers is actually China. Personally, I don't believe it. I've never actually been to China, but know a number of people who have and they seem to agree with what TallnHandsome says: they may "technically" speak English, but when conversing with a native English speaker, it would appear that most of them are speaking some other language.

When dealing with the French, I found that offering to speak in some other language (used to be Portuguese for me, but I'm a bit rusty) would usually get them to speak English. I would generally say something like, "Excuse me, I don't speak French, Voce fala Portuguese?" They would either try to speak Portuguese or they would say "No, I don't speak Portuguese, but I do speak English." This even worked in Paris!

CW

Smut V,

I would think Chinese, Indian, Bengali, are good for LTR because alot of times they come from traditional backgrounds. You know, where a woman is a woman who is there to take care of her man. They don't get involved in alot of the materialistic bs that can detract a woman from being what she is (here in NYC). And that is saying a lot! Had an Indian woman tell me to get an indian wife since they like to cook and clean. Most of the Indian woman here are real friendly and make you feel like you are a man. Not to mention being pretty with nice hips and a fat ass!

Missed out a chance on a cute bengali chick, 22yo. I would go to the restaurant she worked at and she would always give me food for free and ask me to come to her house so she could make me dinner. Didn't pay her no mind for a while then one day I walk in and she says she's getting married. And this is a week after asking me on a date. Evidently she just wanted to get married and be a housewife because her friends told me she asked her parents to arrange a marriage for her. Not too long after, the stuck-up primadonna I was wasting all my time on dumped me. So now I am totally assed out. It's hard to even relate this, believe me.

The hottest chick I ever met was Tibetan. Name of Dei-chin? Golden brown porcelain skin, almond shaped brown eyes, slender, english-speaking, just the right height, and real nice. Met her waiting for the LIRR train in Woodside Queens. She asked me about the train since she just arrived in NYC 2 weeks earlier. We talked for a while, I was dumbstruck by her beauty. Never seen, met, or heard of any girl like this before. Really nice and sweet, courteous, pleasant and genuinely friendly. Had on sandals with flowers on them. It took all my willpower to keep from grabbing her pretty feet and rubbing them all over my face she was such a Goddess. She was going for a job interview as a housekeeper. Gave her my # but she never called. Realized I should have done the e-mail thing with her as girls are less intimidated online. Maybe I should have offered her $300 to be my housekeeper for a couple days a week! Always looked for her, walked the streets, prayed to God I would see her again. No such luck. I mean, I would have married this chick ASAP and never looked at another woman again. It kills me to think Someone so genuine got away from me and is at risk because they are so special. People prey on girls like her and I hope she is doing well now, 3 years later. So that is my sad tale of woe. Now I'm on point like like a laser, just waiting to get that once in a lifetime chance again.

Sorry - I stand corrected. Saw too many zeros & didn't check my facts.

Faulk

Ah, actually the English girls are rather good for LTR. I can't find any statistics, but English bride are huge in USA. Really not a lot different from Russian and Asian brides. You just don't notice them. (For this reason I don't generalize to British brides, some are obvious when they talk.) Tourist went to England, met someone, marry after a while. A guy had a long stay in B&B, hit the owner's daughter and got married.

They love foreigners, foreigners that go places. That are so many bored English girls, nurses, teachers, secretaries, B&B owner's daughters. They are so young and attractive. Did you ever see any young and attractive nurses, teachers, secretaries, B&B owner's daughters in California? USA? Without special skills, without someone to light up their lives, the best they hope for is a steady job and the pension. Can't afford a decent car or house.

I love English providers. Outside London in some rich towns there are so many nurses teachers secretaries having a second job. In LA you don't find such young talents taking at most 2 clients a day after work, usually not even every day. They kiss a lot, orgasm a lot. If you say you are from LA or USA, they will think about their successful Brit friends who relocate there, forgetting about the one in four in USA has xxx, and one in yyy in USA has zzz.

They like foreigners, especially those with dollars and yens, and all those looked like they have dollars and yens, that's anyone with a foreign accent. Indeed, I think you locals can't see too much of them. I think some only see those with a foreign accent or out of town accent. Because it's too embarrassing for locals. I saw a nurse in a small town who works in the only major hospital round the corner of my resort hotel.

T&H

rastaman

sure we have that, the most famous being the one who killed his white wife and got away.

blacks in britain of in very small percentage, at least compared to the usa. so the pool of black women is rather limited, while white women is that much more.

la for example is full of all sorts of beautiful women, like laker's bryan, who has a very beautiful wife who is i think latina. though i don't know why he is interested in a 19 year old white girl, who accused him of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

t&h

rasta

i don't watch any balls. i saw oj on the slow speed chase and all about him on the cable news channel.

honestly i can't quote any celeb that are b/w inter-racial. but there must be many other inter-racial. one reason is that it's no big deal, no deal at all in america. say prince like to use tall white woman in music videos to complement his small black body.

oj's wife is typically a white trophy wife.

i've been in europe and asia long time and had many white and asian women. i prefer asians.

t&h

Cash Works, the stats come from two places -- one is the cited publication "The Future of English" by David Graddol and the other is from Ethnologue, (web version at ethnologue.com) which looks at all the languages used in various countries, as well as where various languages are used. I've found the printed version of the latter invaluable in some of the work I've done in various places. Graddol's book is from 1997, but I've been unable to find anything more recent that's at all comprehensive.

It's possible that the actual trivia fact your friend may have been trying to stump you with is "what is the most spoken language in the world?" which is in fact Mandarin Chinese by a wide margin (it is also now the non-English language other than Spanish most likely to be spoken in a US home, according to the Census bureau.)

I know there's been a very large push in China around learning English in recent years, as it opens possibilities for getting jobs in urban areas, but I've been unable to track down any actual hard (or even soft) numbers in terms of how many actually speak it.

TNH, I do think Rasta has a point -- the only two examples you mention are couples where the black guys involved are accused of crimes.

Rasta, there are of course other examples of famous interracial couples in the US -- Taye Diggs and Idina Menzel, Wayne Brady and his wife, Cuba Gooding and his, for example, not to mention Tiger Woods and Elin Nordegren, and Lenny Kravitz and Nicole Kidman, though of course the latter two women aren't US citizens. Your point's well taken, however.

You forgot the biggest interracial celebrity couple, well they are currently an ex-couple, Oprah Winfrey and Dr. Phil!! There's also J-Lo and Ben Affleck, well they're not a couple anymore. There's also Maury Povich and Connie Chung. There is also Ed Norton and Salma Hayek, although I don't think they are an item. Robert De Niro and Naomi Campbell used to date. I heard Schwarzenegger was dating a Hispanic woman when he was a young star. Oh yeah Dolph Lundgren and Grace Jones.

Gentlemen,

Have any of you given any thought to reporting this appalling lack of high profile interracial couples to Klanwatch? Or possibly Amnesty International or the ACLU?

The suggestion would seem to be if you marry someone of a similar skin-tone you are a racist. Interesting. Pure BS, but interesting; also a tad off topic.

Cheers,

Sporadic

What about Ed Norton and Ralph Kramden? Who gives a shit? If interracial marriage were compulsory, in two or three generations everyone would be brown and it would cease to be an issue.

Here in the UK, you see many interracial couples. But, the man is [b]always[/b] the black or dark one and the woman is [b]always[/b] the white or light one. Why is that?

PS: "Always" = 98% or so

Joe Zop,

Thanks for the info. It may come in useful if I ever run across that former co-worker. Thinking back on it now, you're probably right about the question being "what language is spoken by most people in the world" Could be that my answer was English, though I think I would have actually said Spanish.

Rasta, Dickhead, et al.

I'm a white American male. I'm not a high profile individual and I don't feel intimidated. I've had relationships (lasted more than a couple of hours, anyway) with 6 African American women over the last 25 years, not including pros. I can honestly say though, that you notice people staring at you when you're out and about. I can't recall the number of pros I've been with, but most of my sexual relationships (ltr as well as str, pro as well as non-pro) have been with non-white women - Latinas, Africans & Asians. I wouldn't say that this is due to any preference on my part, mostly geography & availability of tail due to the fact that until about 2 years ago, most of my time was spent in West Africa, South America & Southeast Asia.

The only time somebody tried to give me a hard time about the interracial thing was in the early '80's when I was in college. On a Friday night, I bumped into a friend at a bar (she was African American) and we took off to my place where we wound up doing the deed. The following night, I was at another bar and some kid (legal drinking age back then was 18 - I think he had a fake ID) came up to me with his two buddies and started giving me a hard time about my choice of sexual companions (he even included a number of racial slurs leading me to believe that he may have been a junior klansman or something) - apparently, he noticed me leaving with my friend the previous night. My response to this was - "Little boy, it's none of your business what, or who, I was doing last night, but since we're on the subject, while I was ball deep in a female last night, what were you doing - jacking off to your daddy's porno collection?" The kid looked like he wanted to beat me up, but his buddies were laughing their asses off so he ran away.

CW

Cash Works,

YESSSSS!!!!!!!! That's exactly how you should handle a fucking bigot!

Besides, aren't we all the same color when the lights go out :)?

Dickhead

I have often wondered that (in my long and distinguished career as a sociologist).

My theory: the mental make up of a woman is such that she is less likely to be racially biased than a man. She is more perceptive of the inner person. We men are prone to a type selection - this can be anything from preference for blondes over brunettes, a preference for Asians, tall over short, and so on and so on.

OK, this may explain the light skinned women's choice of partner (which is less racially biased). How about the dark skinned woman and her choice of partner ? Does the above theory need to be further qualified by saying that there are cultural differences that makes women from some groups choose a similar type as their choice of partner ?

This may explain what we see in the UK.

Latinos and latinas do not make up any single racial group some are caucasian, some are black, some are in between, some look native American, Latinos can't be put into one single racial group. In this way Latinos are analagous to Arabs and Turks. Arabs and Turks contrary to the major news networks do not make up a single racial group. Many Arabs and Turks look caucasian, as many as half of them, and some are dark skinned with straight black hair, others look African looking.

JD, I already have a simple theory. Usually the simpler one is the truth.

Difference in sex - trophy wife are more than trophy husband, indeed rarely heard about the latter. Rich and famous more male than female, CEO's, a lot more male move stars charging top dollars, football (both sports) stars.

The minorities in UK is nothing compared to USA. If a trophy hunter limits his/her find in his/her own race, a lot less to choose from.

CBGB - you are right about the Hispanic bit, carefully used by USA census. There's no definition, you tick the box if you think you are Hispanic. That's to be somehow connected with Spanish speaking, historical south American roots, native South Americans, and black immigrants taken there.

The major news networks are right that Arabs and Turks are race. The difference in looks is the same as the difference between a north Italian and a south Italian, I doubt if the south Italian doesn't consider himself Caucasian. Trying asking the race of an Arab or Turk and you won't get different answers. A native Egyptian will always consider himself/herself Arab. But then what is race? Talking about race is a mine field, I'm gone.

I live in a southwestern US city with no street scene, and no massage parlors. The only options for P4P are high priced escorts that one has to pay $200 or so for an hour, and stip-clubs, where one can sometimes get stimulated to the point of completion for the price of a several couch dances in the semi-private VIP area (less than $100, unless the girl is milking you for time in there). I don't mean to give the impression that I'm getting laid at my local topless bar--I'm referring to getting a handjob while kneading and licking the dancers breasts, buttocks, etc. Or having the dancer grind her ass and boobs on my Johnson just so till there's a happy ending. I know this may sound lame to more well travelled readers, but it's what the local scene has to offer a lower-income guy like me.

Anyhoo, you're all probably wondering why I'm interjecting this here. Well, in the years I've been going to clubs and seeking out this kind of relief, I've noticed a definite trend--and this relates to the discussion going on in here about race: it's my distinct impression that the Latina and African-American girls will be much more likely to go the extra mile (ie, make one cum during the lap dance) than the pretty young white girls, especially the blondes. I've had pretty young white blondies take me right to the brink and then ask for totally unreasonable amounts of money for a completion (I'm talkin' $100-$200, for a fucking handjob, or for rubbing tits and ass on my cock for chrissakes...). Generally, the Latinas and the African-American chicks will just do their best to get me off without me having to ask for anything in particular, and they usually don't mention extra money at all. It's as if they (the ethnic beauties) just know what a lap dance in the VIP area is supposed to be about, while the white girls take advantage of the legal status of P4P and demand ridiculous sums for "breaking the rules". Has anyone else had similar experience or made similar observations in other venues? What explanation can there be for the difference in attitude I'm noticing between hot young white babes and their ethnic counterparts? I'd love to hear comments, theories.

Jwny72 my friend,

Try to save some money. Take one, just one, trip during off peak season to Germany ( for example). Go to any of those fkk clubs, believe me, you'll NEVER look at those scanks bitches back home the same way.

You deserve better then a OVER price hand job during a lap dance.

jwny72,

You should take a look in the "American Women" thread here in "Opinions". The discussion there is all about what you're talking about, but it's not broken down by race, just nationality. I have to agree with you somewhat though. White Americans have a lot more of the Puritanical/"Yankee trader" (lots of hang-ups and very mercenary) culture than other Americans, who are a bit more relaxed about such things, IMHO.

TNH,

I think you're very wise to try getting off the race subject, but since we're here and Arabs have been mentioned, I would like to caution people about confusing Iranians with Arabs - they're Persian, which is generally considered Caucasian (the Caucasus mountains are between the Caspian and Black Seas and the term "caucasian" is derived from peoples originating there). I only bring this up because I've worked with a number of Iranians over the years and they get very annoyed when they're lumped in with the Arabs merely because of their religion and the proximity of Iran to the Arab states. Similar reaction to Welsh or Scottish or Irish people being called English.

CW

jwny72 -

IMHO - hot, young, white American babes (especially blonds) are spoiled and know that they have enormous power in the U.S. Blondes seem to be idolized by a lot of guys - I think the term for blue-eyed blond girls in the modeling field is often referred to as the "All-American" look.

My guess would be that the Latinas and African-American girls are maybe not as "high" on themselves and therefore feel (not necessarily conscious of it) that they need to work a little harder to earn a guys satisfaction with them by performance and not just looks.

Like I said, just my humble opinion. What do you think?

Can anybody comment on Chilean women ?

Thanks in advance !

Hi Rastaman -

I've seen your posts in the Brazil section. I know you're an African-American man.
I didn't understand your post. Please explain.

Gentlemen prefer blondes. I know I do. The message is reinforced by popular culture (movies,..) Marylin Monroe, Madonna, and these ladies know their value.

I once met an attractive Swedish girl in London and she told me she dyed her hair blonde because of the expectations that a Swedish girl should be blonde. She told she then got a lot of attention from men.

There is also an element of scarcity which push their value in the marketplace in the US. In nothern Europe, Blondes are still prized but because of their high numbers their value is lmore reasonable.

My 2 cents worth

Rastaman, it's my guess that the forbidden fruit principle is at work there. Blonde white American girls like black males for the same reason black males like white American girls, especially blondes apparently. I'm only a little jealous. And I certainly don't mean to imply that women, blonde or not, wouldn't have a reason to find you attractive other than the novelty of your skin color.

What's the big deal about blondes? I actually think brunettes are sexier. Not that a beautiful blonde isn't a beautiful woman mind you.

In my sexual experience, P4P or not, pretty, white girls, even brunettes, are the least responsive. When I have gone to bed with them, they've tended to act like cold fish. On the other hand, I've been to bed with Black and Latina women, and some were super-attractive, who I know good and well enjoyed fucking me--they let me know.

I tend to think class, culture, and ethnicity have more to do with sexual mores (sociological term for habits and attitudes) than nationality, which is why I think the American Women thread is poorly conceived.

Blondes are overrated and from personal experience the best women are Latina, Mediterranean types(EVERY COUNTRY THAT SURROUNDS THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA HAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN), and Asian women. Among these groups I have rarely seen women that are overweight or unattractive, another thing is that many women from these groups age well, and don't lose their looks rapidly. There are a lot of good looking attractive blondes but then again I've seen many that are fat and ugly.

I can't say that I really have a "type" preference. Whether it's hair color, breast size, etc. For me, it all comes down to how she's put together. I suppose that the only "type" that would be preferential to me would be on height. In my experience, short women just work better for me in bed. I enjoy looking at tall slim women (model types), but I've been to bed with a few women who are nearly as tall as me (I'm 6'0" tall) and while the sex was enjoyable, it always seemed to be a bit more awkward (elbows always seem to end up where you don't want them) than with women who are 10-12 inches shorter than me.

I guess that South America and Southeast Asia are the best places to find short women (5-0" - 5'6"), though I did wind up with a woman in Louisiana once who was 4'9" - definitely the shortest woman I've ever been with, and no, she wasn't a dwarf. The women in South America and Southeast Asia tend to be brunette, so I suppose it's a good thing I don't have a preference against brunettes.

CW

The deal about blondes:

With blondes, everything has to be just right for them to look stunning. The slightest imperfection shows up dramatically. They also have a shorter shelf life. However, when everything is just right, they just shine and shine and shine. To adapt a quote from the film "Blade Runner", they may shine for just half as long but they shine twice as bright.

True, brunettes are sexier and I prefer them over blondes (and I am a gentleman), but every now and then there is the prefect embodiment of womanhood, a fanastic blonde.

So get a brunette for a wife and a blonde for a mistress.

Nicely put Jack Daniels. I especially liked your movie reference--Blade Runner is a great film. I also agree with CBGBConnisur about Mediterranean types (of which I consider Latinas to me a member, really) being devestatingly attractive, and warmer I'll add--they seem to like men.

I feel like I should also add at this point that I think we're all speaking in generalities--I know pretty, blonde All-American types who are warm, friendly, and passionate; and I've known Mediterranean types, and Blacks who are icy-cold and aloof. I haven't known very many Asian women personally, though I certainly think they're beautiful. I've been to a few Korean run massage parlors in the LA area, and the P4P action was quite nice.

This blonde topic is getting not interesting. Most of the women mentioned, Med types and Latina, can dye their hair blonde, and look not a lot different from a white blonde woman. I mean a South Italian with blonde hair is very much like many woman with tan and deep tan. And that many Latina are very pale, indeed plenty of South Americans are direct European decedents. Plenty of blondes in Argentina.

Since there aren't that much natural blonde, a blonde is really a statement. In places like Britain it is, because hair coloring isn't that common. In California it isn't a statement anymore. 1st if you ever drive from S Cal to N Cal not in winter, bright golden is indeed the natural color of most of California. Any blonde will be over shadowed by the natural golden vegetation many many times. Even over weight housewife spend $200 just for the coloring. It's not whether brunette or blonde, it's what blonde coloring - there's infinite of them to pick from.

I'm saying with that much different type of blondes, there's hard to have any stereotypes.

TNH,

If you're getting bored with blondes, why not switch to red heads?

I think red heads are even more scarce than blondes and they seem to come in two varieties - absolutely stunning or ghastly. There are very few average looking red heads, so I would have to say that the most scarce "type" would have to be the good looking red head.

I dated one (non pro) for about 6 months a number of years ago - she was not only nice to look at, but very passionate in bed. She was an American of Irish & Greek decent. The Irish gave her the red hair and green eyes, the Greek gave her skin that would tan rather than burn (almost no freckels).

CW

Latinas being classified as Mediteranean types makes sense, since virtually all Latinas have at least some ancestry from either Spain, Portugal, or Italy, which are all Mediterranean countries.

It doesn't matter if the blonde is natural or due to colouring. The important issue is what she looks like with blonde hair. That is the bottom line. Hair colour can be changed in an hour. It is just a dressing, natural or not. It is just a question, do you like it or not ?

I have always found the blonde issue intriguing. I think it is right to discuss it here - why not ?

My opinion, IMHO, is that it is worth looking at the whole package. Anyone who just likes blondes and nothing else is missing out on a lot. I have met quite a few people who say just that - "I only go for blondes". OK, who would you prefer Courtney Cox from Friends or Courtney Love from..........where ?

Each to his own. There is no right or wrong; but I do feel that anyone who is blonde centric needs to get out and about and see the world.

BTW, Blade Runner is not just a great film - it is an outstanding film.

Cheers.

Couple months ago spotted this blond chick on the street in Manhattan. Now I don't usually jump out my shoes for blondes but this one had shiny, short blond hair you could spot a mile away. Moved in to investigate and seen she was good looking in a way I never seen before. Pretty with a happy face in a non attention getting way, except for the hair. Turns out she was a tourist with her whole group of friends or whatever. Ended up following her into The Holiday Inn and checked my stock quotes by phone while sneaking looks at her and listening to them speak in some Nordic language. So I'm just trying to figure out if she is the everyday girl in her country, cause if she is I'm off to Scandinavia with the quickness!

CBGB,[quote]Latinas being classified as Mediteranean types makes sense, since virtually all Latinas have at least some ancestry from either Spain, Portugal, or Italy, which are all Mediterranean countries.[/quote]

While I will admit to picking the fly shit out of the pepper here, Portugal is not a Med country, wrong side of Gibraltar.

Ignoring Greece and the entire north coast of Africa, not to mention the eastern med, the best, IMHO description of Latinas is simply "Latinas" or possibly Hispanic. They both work, Latina being broader, and are a better cultural, ethnic match.

Cheers,

Sporadic

Mike, yes she is the everyday girl in those countries. But before you buy the ticket, you need to buy some video or books and try out everything inside, until you are good. Otherwise whatever you try to do in bed, they'll probably yawn.

Mike12,

I agree 100% with TallnHandsome.

If you are going to any of the Nordic countries for pay for play: no problem. However if you intend to go to find a long-tem relationship, you need to learn their ways. From personal experience I can tell you that well honed oral skills will get you remembered. Nordic chicas love both cunnilingus AND analingus (we know that nearly all women do, but for these coutnries I have found it a special case).

Their normal open mindedness is the route you can take to win them over. Best wishes.

Regards, Havanaman

Ps. You might like to check out: http://www.discountvideosales.com/.sc/ms/dd/1032987946/962713/nc/VIDEOS--Lesbian/181/Cunnillingus%204%20Dummies
~ taught me a couple of tricks!

Fellas,

I just like the way these Nordic chicks look good in an appealing way without being really knockout pretty. like the idea of woman being exotic in ways I have never seen before. Saw another one on the train today and just knew she wasn't American and sure enough she was talkin in another language besides English. Too bad NYC doesn't have a Little Sweden or Norway section I can hang around in. Thanks for the links by the way. Maybe someday I will get lucky enough to use the techniques.

To all concerned,

Since the current discussion seems to be about blonde women, here's my 2 cents worth. I used to (repeat, used to) be strongly attracted to blonde girls. I think it was something about the hair that made them look younger. Of course there was always the hope the the "other" hair would be blonde as well! However, I've noticed over the years that most blonde women seem to possess an innate form of arrogance.

I thought about this for the longest time before coming to the conclusion that it must have something to do with supply and demand. Most guys seem to be attracted to blonde girls. Most girls aren't blondes. Therefore the ones that are, always have a pile of guys chasing them. As a result, they seem to get kind of spoiled and demanding. They develop high expectations because they've gotten used to the attention that these guys lavish onto them. I'd also be willing to bet that this isnt the case in countries where blonde hair is a lot more common, eg. Sweden or Finland.

Anyways, the last white girl I went out with was a natural blonde and that was at least 5 years ago. Since then, I've been with almost every other kind of girl, black, asian and east indian. To tell the truth, I'm as happy as I've ever been. Variety truly is the spicew of life!

Oh, and one other thing.

If you really do want to settle with one of those fair-skinned
blonde haired women, keep her out of the sun or she'll be a bag of wrinkles by the time she's thirty. That smooth pink skin just doesnt last.

Cash Works:

I also happen to prefer shorter women (women shorter than 5'7")

Fellas,

Has anyone been to Croatia lately ? I'm headed to Dubrovnik, and Split Mid-August would appreciate any feedback. If the actions slim at least we wrap up our EE trip in Latvia & Estonia.

Moose K.

first forget coratia it sucks. split is worst, on the same lines as malta.

getting back to "what country is best for 24/7 sex and more sex".

nigeria is good, cost is around 20 dollars for the night. also the
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what do you guys think any spots like this you know about?

besides the regular destinations.

thanks,

cap!

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If you could pick any country in Europe to visit which would one would you choose? I will be heading there and wanted to see what people thought. Netherlands, Hungary, Czech, etc.? Costs can be an objective but I am looking more to have fun and enjoy my time, so if spending a little extra will do this then I am okay with it, just don't want to spend several hundred per hour for a girl when I can do that in the US!

Thanks.

I don't know which western european countries are the best (and I d like to know too), but I do know France is no good at all. Mechanical sex, so-called girls bars where despite all that you re told you're allowed to do NOTHING, I say NOTHING. The best you can do is FS/BJ (/maybe AS if youre ready to pay about 200€, which I'm not) by only sw (brothels don't exist in France) whose slogan seems to be "the faster the better". Sorry for those who thought french girls are as hot as their reputation says, It's totally wrong. help me.

Thanks

Travel Capt:

You mention Nigeria. I have really been interested in going there but hear it is very dangerous. I hear that one should take precautions like having a personal driver waiting for you at the airport and that one should NEVER walk alone at night amongst other precautions. How accurate is this?

Which country is best to look for a young wife? Phillipines?

Probably some remote areas of asia will have the best quality among young brides. Can somebody please give more information on the subject of best places to find young submissive, obidient wife for at least a few yours.

I have a question. Do anyone here know if India is a good place for brothers to? I have heard that India is really racist. I hope it isn't true because I love indian girls. I am planning a RTW trip. My first stop is Germany/Netherlands. Before going to the Phillipines, I am thinking about going to UAE or India. Should I make the stop or just keep going? I will make one more stop in Brazil before I go back home to Dallas,TX. Any help will be greatly appreiated.

[QUOTE=Three X]I am black and I went to Brazil to see some friends the women were really receptive! Especially the mulatas (some have blue eyes)! Just go to any fast food restaurant and speak english little and they will start to flirt!

I also heard Chile is a good place to go for brothers!

Also I dated a Columbian girl in the U.S. She told me that there is a island where White European and White American women travel to have sex with black men! There are places in Jamaica like that too!

I know a lot of Japanese girls and some love black guys! As a matter of fact my roommate who is Jamaican has a live in Japanese girlfriend. My friend who are white and U.S. Marines told me that black guys in Japan don't have to pay for pussy or food because the Japanese girls spoil them!

I the Philipines blacks are treated good!

I Thailand "The land of vertical smiles" black are treated good!

Basically avoid China and Korea!

I even heard Taiwan was o.k. not the best but o.k.

Go to [url]www.goldsea.com[/url] in the poll section for asian women and black men! And you will see some examples of blacks in asia.

You just have to remember that most asian are easily influenced by the media! And some take everything as fact. So the best thing to do is to be sensitive to their concerns and try to smile and be helpful. Explain all question clearly and even when you're pissed don't get emotional!

Here is a story you may like! A buddy of mine was in the USAF and he was sent to Greenland! It was so cold there and the base he was at there were no females 64 men!

So all of the white men would go to a city called "Too Lee" but they would tell the black men they hate you in "TOO LEE" don't go! So he being a brother went anyway!

When he arrive he saw brothers with 5 girls a piece driving the local (girls) cars staying in their home and kicken it at the bars with them!


Iceland, Poland, Romania and Hungry are the same way!

Black music (Rap,Hip Hop) has helped and damaged our imagine aboard in many ways, exploit the positive! Just remember we control youth culture with our styles![/QUOTE]

The Philippines can be a very good choice. The women all seem to like to provide sexual favors to their men. It's a weird blend of the typical Asian feeling of female duty to the male and the Roman Catholic dictum to be fruitful and multiply, without the negative spin.

Thailand is just "F*ck Heaven", but I don't think you will find even the level of sincerity and loyalty you find in P.I. Filipino culture is way different from ours, but at least there are some commonalities, i.e. language and church. Thailand is almost like being on Mars.

China has been my favorite ever since I visited Hong Kong in my youth. The women have a subtle classiness about them, they are extremely loyal, kind, and supportive, and most are very traditional, and they are generally extraordinarily accomodating to their partner's needs. They even have a term for their period, "women's holiday", that implies recognition of their duty to provide an outlet for their men, but it seems to be less of an obligatory feeling than just a recognition of the differing levels of drive between the genders and how they perceive that fact.

I have yet to meet a Chinese girl who has been anything but passionate and accomodating, assuming your relationship has that as a goal. I have known absolutely STUNNING Chinese women who were married and loyal to literal sh*t-turds on legs... I think they are generally the most trustworthy of all the different cultures and nationalities I have come into contact with. I have also never known a Chinese girl who was anything but scrupulously clean, something that I like, and something that I have found to be lacking in far too many Hispanic women in my experience.

Just my opinion.

Spike, out....

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to take this opportunity to contribute my 2 cents worth on this subject.

A lot of guys are writing in with comments like "Thai girls are the best" or Phillipina, Latina, Chinese, Czech etc. It's most definitely true that there are lots of great women to be found in any of these countries. It's also true that women are women no matter where you go.

I absolutely guarantee that you can run into some real stinkers no matter what country you go to. The women in these different countries might be better on average, but you're not going out with a statistic. You have to be looking at each girl on an individual basis.

They might seem really great while they're "over there", but how long will that last? Just read through the various forums right here at WSG and you will see stories of women who changed after they got out of their own countries. Some got fat, some got greedy and materialistic, some of them took off as soon as they had their green card/citizenship. I have personally run into party girls, visa-hunters and straight-up ripoff artists.

I'm not saying that you can't find a good woman overseas (or south of the border). There's lots of good ones out there and they're mostly better than the ones we get stuck with here. Just don't go over there with some kind of dream-fantasy that you're gonna meet "The Perfect Woman". The same rules apply here. If you really want to be sure about her, it's gonna take some time. The best thing to do would be to arrange for some kind of visitors visa. It should allow them to come for at least 3 or 4 months. If a woman is just looking to use you for something, it will be a lot harder for her to keep up an act for that long.

Is all this trouble worth it? I think so. Especially if you are serious about getting someone from overseas for a long-term relationship.... and that is what this forum is about.

My 2 cents for today,

Rock

In response to Venom187's question about India and Middle East.

I've been to Dubai, Qatar, Bahrain in the middle east and Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka in S.Asia. In all of these places the colour of your money is much more important than the colour of your skin. The culture in these countries is far too old and sophisticated toi have the crude racism that we find in N.America or W.Europe.

In the middle east most action that I came across tended to be Russian. They're total pro's and as such are not racist - they just want your money. The local girls in the clubs in Dubai will happily chat and dance but I don't think it's possible to get there for casual sex - white, black or whatever, these girls just don't put out. Middle East is expensive and not to everyone's liking.

Now India and Sri Lanka are a totally different kettle of fish. You should go to these countries anyway regardless of p4p action. The culture, people, landscape and history are so amazing just go anyway, if you're going to Phillipines and Brazil you'll get enough action there. You can get action in India and Sri Lanka, and it will be very cheap, just RTF. They will not have any problems with skin colour - they judge people on a much wider and more subtle range of factors. In Buddhist Sri Lanka your inner state is much more important than your ethnicity.

Enjoy your travels !

This may be slightly off topic, but this was a pretty fascinating and shocking story to me. This guy is a 64 years old businessman, has had 58 wives in the last 50 years, with at least 30 children, not to mention his most recent wife is only 14!!! Who needs P4P when you can just marry as much as you want? Of course, in places like Saudi Arabia, where the relations between men and women are vastly different from other areas (like the USA), some people wouldn't even make a big deal out of it. Anyway, for the full story, there's a link below, this can also be found if you do a web search.

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-01-01-saudi-polygamy_x.htm[/url]

I don´t know Asian countries, only latinamerican countries.

I visited Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Colombia and Brazil.

I live in Spain and naturally I speak spanish,for this raison I prefer to go to latinamerican countries,but also I´m very attracted toward Thailand.

If someone is searching for a wife,the best option perhaps is the city of Cali in the south of Colombia.Here there are the most beautiful and exciting girls from South America.

But if you like variety,Brazil is the best place.In the north there are mulatas and black girls,in the south generally are blondes with european origin.

In my opinion,here a list with the best countries (only latinamerican places):

Brazil.

Cuba.

Dominican Republic. (here don´t are so pretty like in Brazil, but are young)

Puerto Rico is really a wonderful place, but only for their beaches. I was
disappointed for the actitude of the women.

Greetings

What countries are you treated like royalty by the local girls?

How is Peru, Colombia, Equidor, Honduras, Romania, Ukraine, Czech? These countries seem promising. Cuba I've already been to.

Based on my past experiences, Belarus has the best women for Long Term Relationship. They remain sweet and tender with a softness that is absolutely desirable. They are strong, flourish with a spirit that goes deep into a history that embraces a gypsy balalaika dance, a vodka drink, a covered head in a cathedral.

[QUOTE=Damon Pythias]Based on my past experiences, Belarus has the best women for Long Term Relationship. They remain sweet and tender with a softness that is absolutely desirable. They are strong, flourish with a spirit that goes deep into a history that embraces a gypsy balalaika dance, a vodka drink, a covered head in a cathedral.[/QUOTE]

I've been to Minsk and I stayed there a few weeks. I also know Ukraine quite well and some others countries in Eastern Europe.
I don't really agree with you about Belarus women for Long Term Relationship. Yes they are sweet and really interested in meeting Western European men or American men, yes they have lots of positives aspects and qualities.

If you look like LTR, best countries are Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia and some others countries in Central America.
Girls are not interested in money as much as in Eastern Europe. Furthermore girls in S.A. are much sweetier, hoter than in Belarus. Of course, that's personnal experiences in these both parts of the world.

I agree with Volpone that the former Soviet Union, while nice, is hardly the terrestrial paradise in this respect. I think there are three main questions one needs to ask oneself: (1) where does her family fit in? (2) how adaptable is a woman from country XX to life in the west? and (3) how might her attitude change once she crosses the border? Further to each of these points:

1) This is where most of the trouble with Asian women (or, at least, from Thailand, Indochina and the Philippines) seems to come in. Whether they work as a parlour maid, a dance in a bar or marry a wealthy foreigner the guiding principle is "I'm doing this for the folks back home". It would be impardonably egoistic for them to jet off to a cosseted existance in California or Germany without ensuring a stream of money back to the parents. Being married into an Asian family normally means accepting extensive financial obligations. (The one exception I know of is when men marry a bargirl past her "retirement age": her alternative would have been to return to the family and live at their expense, so...)

2) Here, of course, women from Eastern Europe score highly, with Asian and African women somewhat lower and Latin Americans somewhere in the middle. I've even known Russian women who taunted West Europeans for "having had the fight kicked out of them" and preferred Americans on account they know to persevere in adversity. (Certainly, the "welfare state" has had such effects in many countries...) I'll not be surprised to see many Eastern ladies with successful businesses in North America over the next generation.

3) Unfortunately, with the stream of Mercedes and Bentleys roaming the streets of Moscow these days, the standards of having "done well" in the FSU is no longer a car and a three-bedroom appartment. Think, big country house. Think, Chanel and Louis Vuitton. Think, holidays in Cannes and St. Moritz. In my experience, Latin American women are much more realistic in this respect: they want a good home and a stable income, c'est tout. Their staunch Catholicism moreover compels them to stick with "their man" as long as he behaves with a modicum of loyalty (same thing applies to the Filipinas). African women (here in France) is another hot bid: their countries are very poor and their men are, reportedly, so a monogamous Caucasian with a sizeable appartment seems like heaven on earth to many of them.

I think it's important to think ahead - far ahead - when dreaming of a LTR with a foreign woman. They're all sweet and loveable when you visit them in their countries. - And maybe they, many of them, are not play acting: you DO seem like a man of the world, a great catch, which being so any woman (including French, British and American ones) would play up to you as best she can. But... the question is, what happens the moment she crosses that border. ;-)

1) Instead of saving up for retirement or welfare, Asians rely on their children to support them. Asian men contribute part of their monthly income to their parents. Same for Asian women. Instead of investing in stocks of companies with not much tax concession, they invest in their own people. If the investment fails, they only have themselves to blame. So after marriage, the parents of the bride expect the same contribution from the bride to continue. Unless you are supposed to be rich, you may promise more than the past contribution of the bride. You are also expected to help in times of hardship for direct relatives. So if the women can find a job or a business, she earns more than she did and you need not worry about any contributions on your part.

2) Did you mention California? CA is rather adaptable to all of its minorities. Look at it the other way round. Given the circumstances, Asians thrive. Another view point, no matter how well they are treated, in Europe they feel like guest, in US they feel more at home, even more so for communist China, where many traditions are lost or suppressed, like red tapes on business. If you bring one in, just prepare to at least take tax advantage for setting up a 'hobby business', and she will do the rest.

3) Attitude? Ha. Where do you thing fake Louis Vuitton bags come from? They couldn't get any worse.

I haven't been out of the country yet, but I'm going to either South America or Europe next year.

I don't like the selection I have here currently. I have turned to mongering to get my sexual "fix" as it were. I just refuse to pay the elevated prices that American providers charge, so I'm taking not only my sexual desires but my desire for a LTR out of the country.

I date white women and latinas almost exclusively. Being a Black Man (African-American is so PC it makes me sick), I feel I can pull the same type of women (personality wise) with a decidedly "thinner" body as obesity is now out of control in the US, just as much as rampant single motherhood.

Life is a series of compromises and I'm willing to accept some things in trade for other things. The problem with American women now is its OKAY for you to be BBW and its not okay if you find it unacceptable. Single mothers expect to you take on the responiblity of a ready made family just as your becoming comfortable wiping your own ass, let alone some childs.

Those are the main reasons for seeking LTR elsewhere. However American Black Males are doing damage elsewhere in the world. I notice a steady rise in single mother parenting in places where we have US Milatary bases, namely the Pacific Rim and Germany. I don't feel this hurts my opportunities that much, but does make issues like trust and finding childless women just that more diffucult.

I know black men are popular in Germany, just look at all the personal ads out there. They are being very specific also in stating they would like to talk to American Black Men and not African Black Men. Africans come from a different social structure that often doesn't work with women from Western Cultures such at Europe, Canada and the US. Canadian women tell me the exact same thing.

That's just from talking to these women and not some guestimation on my part. They aren't looking for a free ride to the US either, even though a alot of them would relocate for the right person.

Because of the language issues, I haven't spoke to that many Latinas outside of the US about this, so I was really courious about how "brothas" were treated outside of the US and Europe. Although never having visited Europe, I have a excellent idea because of friends that are recent transplants and my father has spent considerable time over there in the mid to late 80's.

That's what makes this board valuable to me, not only for mongoring information, but for the guys that take the time to seek out non-pro talent wherever they may travel.

So based on that information, I believe I can safely say that an American Black Man's best bets are -

Canada, specfically Vancouver, BC and the mostly english speaking proviances.

Germany, England, The Netherlands and Sweden in Europe

Japan, South Korea, Australia, Malyasha, Thailand and other island nations in the Pacific.

and from the looks of it Brasil, Costa Rica and Columbia in South America.

Most of these countries exposer to black men and black culture come from our Military instalations. I know this is true because I heard a report on NPR about some of the base closures in Germany and how alot of the servicemen were coming back to the US with their german wives and children in tow. It focused on a few interracial marriages on a peticular base that was on the closure list and mentioned some number I don't remember but its pretty significant.

From what I understand -

In Brasil is makes sense for Mullatas to be drawn towards black men. I mean, black for black right? Because of my perferance, I'll be mainly chasing "Loiras" down there and I specifically wanted to visit Sau Paulo first because of this. If I was interested mainly in Mullatas and Morenas then I would probaly make Rio my focus.

I also wanted to go down to Argentina, but I have little information to go on about the non-pros but generally brothas haven't had a problem with providers down there. It seems thought just like in Rio reports from other black men on these boards, they tend to chase Morenas and Mullatas around (judging by the photos posted), weather they are pro's or not. I don't understand why, when they could go to closer destinations and achive the same level of sucess, as in Columbia, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica and even Mexico.

I'm seeking anywhere with European looks. In South America, they have the added bonus of being mixed with Brasilain or Argentinan Indian blood and thus "booty" is born, unlike alot of true euros that have booties only because of the popularity of Burger King and McDonald's outside the US. But that is at least better than most UK women that tend to be quite "chunky" as well, not to mention HORRIBLE teeth that alot of english residence suffer from.

Okay maybe I'm generalizing and rambling too much, but I would like to hear from other brothas and even non-brothas on this subject and do you think I'm onto something?

I would suggest to forget about Asia, except near military bases or sex tourist destinations.

Even younger pros have trouble dealing with the stereotypical size of average white men.

East Asia, C,J,K, are rather mono-cultural societies. They don't even know how to handle their minorities. SE Asia are less mono, say most have significant Chinese as minorities. But the attitude toward minorities are just the same, you can say ignore, hostile in some sense.

C,J,K countries all favor pale skin women. Even in sub-tropical climate like HK, mothers go to swim with their daughters with lots of gears and towels covering the skin when they are not in the water. For if you get any darker, you will easily be mistaken as a Philipino/Thai/Indonesian maid.

Even in UK, outside of Manchester or London, you rarely see black guys. From US is a plus, but UK girls don't openly admit it like in Italy. You can see the polls in the news about European opinion toward USA. While in Italy near GI resorts, I have to admit to kids that I'm skinny Asian American GI, to save myself some explaining otherwise.

In South America, where the majority are white decedents from the old world. I feel that they draw a line between the local people, and those mixed people. And I think they have the wish that someday somehow someone will take them back to the old world.

I agree with you about Asians in general. I believe the best looking ones, although Americanized are already here. The SGV is full of excellent examples and I have dated a few here and there, just not my thing really.

I'll never forget the FOTB that latched on to me when I was working at the local mall as a stock person. She really wasn't up to my standards, but nice as pie and we went out a couple of times, even had been invited to her dorm a few times. I just was never really attracted to her so I just passed and let it slip.

I understand the polls, but I feel that has no direct effect on me because its a chassic example of the US Gov igorning its problems at home to try and solve other people's problems elsewhere. Because there is no money in helping minorities... I think is a case of Europeans that don't like Bush supporters traveling abroad. I even thought about wearing a shirt that said I didn't vote for Bush.. lol

No European girl has tripped about what I do for a living. The minute I tell an American woman, it congures up images of Smokey and the Bandit, BJ And the Bear, Convoy and any other "hick" based trucking movie or tv show.

I'll be the first to tell you, that yes there are fat, breaded, redneck types, that spit chew, bark on the CB, pay $25 for "lot lizards" and all the usual sterotypes. I'm about as "nerdy" and 180 as it gets compared to those idiots.

That makes looking for LTR harder than it needs to be and leaves alot of undesirables out there. Mongering at least gives me some control of where I stick my d*ck and it sure aint up no stanky lot lizard. The last time I was running I80 through Neveda, you see some of the brothels in Elko and all the other areas from the highway. You see big rigs parked there, but I was in a hurry to get back to LA so I can go home for 48 hours, I didn't want to stop. That's what planted the seed really. I had thought about it over the years, but I feel like this is the time I could do it and could actually afford to do it. I just didn't like the value return you got in Neveda even tho its legal and the affordable locals aren't attractive enough to make regular use of IMHO.

So I thought, hey I'll combine both. It might even improve my game, if I eliminate "bedding" the girl. I know that's in the back of every guys mind even in the first 60 seconds talking to a woman. I know women detect it, so I feel like we need some sort of coaking device, but until somebody comes up with that, I feel that being already sexually content in the last say 12 hours, you wouldn't be dropping inundo all over the place like most of us do when out to dinner with non-pros. Being a non sexual threat I feel is the best defence against women, seems to work with gay men.

Okay back to Neon Genesis Evangelion.

[QUOTE=James D 2004]I would suggest to forget about Asia, except near military bases or sex tourist destinations.

Even younger pros have trouble dealing with the stereotypical size of average white men.

East Asia, C,J,K, are rather mono-cultural societies. They don't even know how to handle their minorities. SE Asia are less mono, say most have significant Chinese as minorities. But the attitude toward minorities are just the same, you can say ignore, hostile in some sense.

C,J,K countries all favor pale skin women. Even in sub-tropical climate like HK, mothers go to swim with their daughters with lots of gears and towels covering the skin when they are not in the water. For if you get any darker, you will easily be mistaken as a Philipino/Thai/Indonesian maid.

Even in UK, outside of Manchester or London, you rarely see black guys. From US is a plus, but UK girls don't openly admit it like in Italy. You can see the polls in the news about European opinion toward USA. While in Italy near GI resorts, I have to admit to kids that I'm skinny Asian American GI, to save myself some explaining otherwise.

In South America, where the majority are white decedents from the old world. I feel that they draw a line between the local people, and those mixed people. And I think they have the wish that someday somehow someone will take them back to the old world.[/QUOTE]

Not being black you may want to take my advice with a grain of salt. I do not feel you would fair very well in SA as racism is pretty rampant down there as well. Many women in countries that Spain has f**ked up have left women concerned with their own skin color and many have expressed to me while watching TV that although they find Will/Denzel(fill in the blank) extremely handsome they would never date a black man because of social pressure.

Conversely I personally know beautiful women in Denmark/Iceland/Sweden who only date black men, which is unfortunate for me as I feel like the gay friend.

But in the end it is mostly stereotyping and I am sure that if you have a great personality you will have no problem finding what you are looking for outside of the USA. Have you ever given British Columbia consideration as it is so close?

Alp

[quote=alpine prince]not being black you may want to take my advice with a grain of salt. i do not feel you would fair very well in sa as racism is pretty rampant down there as well. many women in countries that spain has f**ked up have left women concerned with their own skin color and many have expressed to me while watching tv that although they find will/denzel(fill in the blank) extremely handsome they would never date a black man because of social pressure.

conversely i personally know beautiful women in denmark/iceland/sweden who only date black men, which is unfortunate for me as i feel like the gay friend.

but in the end it is mostly stereotyping and i am sure that if you have a great personality you will have no problem finding what you are looking for outside of the usa. have you ever given british columbia consideration as it is so close?

alp[/quote]

alpine -

oh man no problem. i'm not one of those brothas that feel like other people can't comment on what they see in the black community, wherever it is.

i think your right and this is why -

the personals sites i frequent are very specific. its very helpful in narrowing down things. in otherwords, the women that put ads up on these sites are looking for one thing and one thing only. out of those ads, most come from america, canada, uk and germany. in fact, the last search i did, i found more ads from sweden, the netherlands, former eastern block countries like romania and czh republic, than ads from south american countries.

i'd say about 3:1...

in fact i can count the ads from brasil, specifically rio, sp and argentina on one hand.

that tells me volumes and echoes your statement.

all of canada is open in my opinion, this just isn't the time to be up there. its way too cold. i'm california boy... i've been up to canada this time of year and i wasn't able to spend alot of "free" time over the 2 days or so i was up there. i did make it into toronto, but just looked around. i did hit the mall (in missuguga sp?) and while the overall talent level isn't as high as say southern california, the ladies i did see where nice anyway.

bc, i have been told is very good, however since were a monolitic race (not) the bad ones have tainted the dating pool up to the point they are kind of jaded now (at least that's what i have heard). so i guess they are a bit more cautious up there, than say 10 years ago. not that i'm looking for one night stands anyway, i don't mind them tho - :d

i'll make it to bc soon.

about brasil, i still have some question marks about it though. it might not be a great source of non-pro talent, but all the providers care about is "green" usually and i'm almost sure they don't have the hangups that aw suffer from. so i'm almost sure i'll have a blast on the provider front, but not so much fun on the non-pro front. sampa guide doesn't think i'll have a problem with non-pros though, so it will be interesting who's right afterall.

if you know some cuties up in those areas you mentioned that are available, give me a holla. honestly i'm looking for peeps to hang out with anyway, it can't be all about the p***y.

i'm still deciding on which to do first, europe or south america. the non-pro front in europe is looking really good, but i still wanted to do some fkk's and even prague and im not sure i want my time monoplized by some cutie. the list is long right now, but i didn't want to email anybody until i had a better idea when i was going and even where. i've already been though talking to women from say germany only to never make it out there and they loose interest.

thanks for your input.

DJ,

Germany is good for a brotha, but you still need to pick your SPots. I was there for the OKtoberfest a few years ago and it wasn't like the females throw themselves at you in public. And yes I'm a tall good looking dude :) I'm told that if I had gone to a hip hop club that very well might have been the case but hiphop aint my thing... Still got my fare share, but you might have to work it a bit depend on the type on scene you like to frequent.

I had more german women hit on me in Mexico ....go figure.

Brazil seems like a good place to try. .. I'd luv someone to recommend a
place for a "colored" GFE for a brotha. White dudes (not hatin') seem to make out better than us in majority "colored" populations. Wonder if there is a colored country a brotha can go and get that same "germany" effect.

Kickfan,

Sure there is. I've been reading about GFE all day in the Africa section. I've never been with a non-white woman (I'm your all-around white guy type and have lived in Texas most of my life). Anyway, I'm drooling over the chance of being with an African honey. The best part is that the girls are by and large for FREE. You wine and dine them and get to take them to the hotel for the night. In gratitute the Africa mongers are giving them "Taxi money" but it doesn't seem to be a requirement. There's a pro scene too but I don't get why you'd WANT to pay for something that you could get for free and get a girl with less city mileage to boot. Just doesn't make sense.

But we were talking about LTR anyway... I'm sure same applies.

Good Looking Out KnickFan (sorry about the team tho, how about them Clippers?) -

I've heard it from every brotha I know that's been to Europe. Western Europe is generally good for us. I am the "hip-hop" type (see my screen name) so I will be hitting those spots heavy. I've already researched clubs all over Germany and some down in Prague, so I should have no problem finding a place to get my boogie on and since most of the world is roughly a month or so behind on music from the US, I hope to take some beats with me and maybe somebody will let me jump on the wheels for awhile.

From what I have heard and read so far it seems Western Europe and North America are our best bets if you want a large selection. I think it gets really narrow in Central and South America, Eastern Europe (especially Russia) and some Asian countries. I mean seems like sucess stories are way too isolated to be comfortable spending alot of time seeking locals.

I have actually decided on Europe first because of the time of year. Late spring in North America is the coldest time of the year for most of South America and honestly there isn't much of a language barrier in Europe as there is in South America. Seems only if you go to remote areas in Europe you might find people that don't speak English, but generally most people under 35 speak some or fluent English and that appeals to me.

Plus since I won't have alot of time to spend on a trip (about 4 days max) I think its best to be comfortable traveling firstly and honestly SP isn't the tourist area Rio is.

"Brazil seems like a good place to try. .. I'd luv someone to recommend a
place for a "colored" GFE for a brotha. White dudes (not hatin') seem to make out better than us in majority "colored" populations. Wonder if there is a colored country a brotha can go and get that same "germany" effect."

That's because they equate wealth with paleness. The lighter you are the more wealthy you are presumed to be. OTH, 90% of hoes are purely capitalists, and could care less what color your skin is. They know all men are the same; they all want to stick their cocks into some snatch. So P4P shouldn't be a problem. You know in many parts of SA, you could buy a certificate that said you were of euro ancestry and get all the privileges associated with it. Go figure.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Good Looking Out KnickFan (sorry about the team tho, how about them Clippers?) -

I've heard it from every brotha I know that's been to Europe. Western Europe is generally good for us. I am the "hip-hop" type (see my screen name) so I will be hitting those spots heavy. I've already researched clubs all over Germany and some down in Prague, so I should have no problem finding a place to get my boogie on and since most of the world is roughly a month or so behind on music from the US, I hope to take some beats with me and maybe somebody will let me jump on the wheels for awhile.[/QUOTE]Your impressions of W.Europe ware akin to my own before I went. You may already know the following, but I'll reiterate it for the benefit of others. First: The major hubs of W Europe appear to be very diverse; certainly more so than my own so cal home town. When I first hit Charles de Gaulle I wondered if my plane had been rerouted to Gambia without my knowledge. all I saw were blacks (dressed in traditional african attire) and browns. You will not be a novelty in any place that you are likely to go. The girls there are fat too. Two: Not to burst any brotha's bubble or demean him, but, the women that many of the GIs pull in W.Europe hail from the lower socio-economic classes. If you want white trailer park trash drive a few hours south to w. virgina. soldiers are notorious for screwing anything that moves. I assure you, no hot Italian woman is shacking up with Sgt. Smith from Mobile, Alabama. Good, classy, continental euro women are very class conscious, much more so than AW are. I have had a black passport for abut 70% of my time in Europe--thus I've been exposed to many desirable euro women-- and can't believe the classism that they evince. If you just want to screw ok, but don’t expect anything classy or too pretty.

If you want to bone hot chicks go to Russia, both for *****s and regular relationships--but it ain't cheap. Five years ago I would take a beautiful girl from a trioka for $100. Now an average one costs $200. Cartatenga is great too; I had the best screw of my life there. Prague is ok, but still very diverse and becoming more Westernized by the quarter--with a corresponding increase in prices.

My 2 cents.

I don't think that anyone should depend too much on skin color when it comes to getting laid. In Latin America your ability to score hot pussy will depend mostly on your ability to talk your way into chicks' panties, money will help too but you will have a hard time communicating that you have it a non-offensive manner if you cannot speak the local lingo. The prime pussy in this region isn't only being gotten by white gringos, the local guys who earn meagre wages are doing just fine and banging a lot of hot smoking pussy. They do this using what they call "labia" which literally means lip in English, and I can assure you that many pretty girls have given up their pussies to some silver-tongued local seducer before any American showed up to offer them some dollars and a visa to the US. Most normal girls will let you stick your blue, purple, pink, black or yellow dick into them if you can convince them that you've fallen madly in love with them. When it comes to the pros and the gold-diggers the only color that matters is the color of your pesos and passport.

I can understand though why African American mongers are concerned about skin color, race plays a part in just about every aspect of American life. Most white American women would be appalled at the thought of fucking a black or "colored" man, so it's normal for these men to be cautious about encountering the same attitudes abroad. However, I don't think that they need to be concerned in most cases.

I must agree though that only the Euro trash women seem to fuck American GIs and tourists. I have never seen a GI of any color bring home a hot European woman with money or a good profession. Most of these women seem to be big-nosed, flat-chested and flat-arsed too. Europe is better than the US for blacks but it certainly is no paradise. Not learning some Spanish or Portugese and passing up Latin America is a huge mistake, one should at least give it a try.

are you an old white gentleman from the south?

“most white american women would be appalled at the thought of fucking a black or "colored" man, so it's normal for these men to be cautious about encountering the same attitudes abroad.”

i must respectfully disagree with your present assessment of race in america; i think it’s quite dated. i’m from agoura hill, ca and boulder, co and don’t think that race plays an integral part in blacks’ lives there. there is quite a bit of interracial dating going on (especially in ca). most women (70%-80%) in my peer/age group date anyone that passes their income, looks, and background test regardless of race. the athletic will smith type profile does very well in so ca-- they are attractive with muscular physiques while simultaneously being non-threatening and atypical. hit viper room on a friday night in la and you’ll see no shortage of hot white chicks with good looking black guys. i went to college in new york and everybody was screwing everybody on campus. some chicks may very well hide their mates from their folks if they think they’ll catch some heat because of them. i think this especially holds true if it’s just a fling and not serious. sometimes people fuck each other and still utter what some may say are “racist” comments: this typical uppity wasp girl from savanna would fuck and suck our (very black) tailback on a regular basis for 4 years; yet, i heard her say that she didn’t want to have black babies because the kid’s hair would be “all fucked up and afroish.”

that being said, a lot of white girls are not racist but they want a man that shares a similar background to them. considering that blacks only make up about 12% of the us population and live more or less in large urban areas, many white gals just don’t live, work, and socialize with blacks on a regular basis. not because they are appalled, to use your words, at the thought of sleeping with a brotha, but because there are none around. even though inner-city la is a car ride away from agoura hills, it’s a totally different world. and if some thuggish guy hits on them while they are at the club they are naturally apprehensive, as this fella takes them out of their comfort zone.

kinda non-sequitur but, one thing i found odd is that ½ white ½ black people in america are considered black, while in europe, europeans will swear up and down that a mixed person is not black. i knew a few desirable (good looking and good pedigree) ee women that have ½ (american) black ½ (western) white boyfriends but are very adamant about saying that they would never have a “black” boyfriend.

“i must agree though that only the euro trash women seem to fuck american gis and tourists.

aside from a few marine security guards and some capts you’re right on, but, i don’t know, i’ve boned tons of hot chicks while backpacking europe in college. there is no better fling than a scandinavian girl on holiday; there is no more boring a date than a scandinavian girl in scandinavia.

In most parts of Germany good-looking brothers will do very well for themselves. Less good-looking brothers wont do as well... but thats life. Obviously looking like the stereotyped glamorous American black... aka Usher, Kobe, Pharrel or whomever, with a good body, style and money will go a long way to making them more attractive to the opposite sex. Essentially its the same for UK blacks.

In European cities interracial dating is common and believe it or not, in Europe you will also find white guys dating black women. I've had a couple of black gfs in Germany. Black women in Europe are not as prejudiced against white men as black women in America, with whom white guys usually have little chance to even get a date.

In particular American black guys do well... a lot of girls who wouldnt be interested in Africans are interested in American black guys. A lot of the Africans in Germany even pretend to be Americans... although its usually just a ridiculous farce.

Generally speaking though, most German girls are not interested in African, Arab, Indian or other guys, many are even prejudiced against them. That doesnt mean that black guys aren't going to find their market. Its relatively easy... go to clubs were black music is played. If you have any game at all, you'll have good chances.

GIs in Germany WILL fuck ANYTHING. I have seen decent looking brothers with the most atrocious women... girls no half-way decent German would touch.

Other black guys in Germany did better in my opinion.

A black friend of mine who has since gone back to the states played basketball in Germany and got laid a lot... but he also told me that the majority of girls didnt want anything to do with him and simply ignored him, pretended not to speak English when they really could or rejected his advances coldly. The ones that were interested however made it no secret that they wanted his dick and made it known relatively early. No courtship, no dating... pure sexual relationship. These same girls would never dream of marrying him... they just wanted to fuck him because they thought it was cool. He thought it was pretty damn cool too. :)

What are the best places for Middle Easterners to monger?

[QUOTE=KnickFan]I had more german women hit on me in Mexico ....go figure.[/QUOTE]Some German women find blacks interesting, sexually, just as some whites may find black women interesting. Similar phenomenon can be observed in southern Europe where vast majority is dark haired. Guess if they are crazy about blondes from nothern Europe.

Back to Germany. As black you may fuck some German women, but don't count on a love story, unless the girl is bottom end. As Doctor_skank describes, you are better off being black from the USA than black from Africa, but only due to perceived socioeconomic class. In neither case they would marry you, generally speaking. If you care, try get one to introduce you to her parents as her boyfriend.

What are the best countries for Middle Easterners to monger?

I'm not doubting that things in California and Colorado might be great for black men. However, I can assure you that in states like North Carolina, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia you wouldn't find 70-80% of white women willing to have relations with a black man. If you find my use of the word "appalled" objectionable then you should come to the South and experience true Southern hospitality or at least ask the honest opinions of black males living in these areas. It seems that everyone in the US tries really hard to act as though racism no longer exists here. I wonder how many black and white folks actually spend time with each other outside of work or school in this country?

Anyway, my point was that Latin America is certainly no worst than the US when it comes to inter-racial relations. The best way to find out how you will be received in any particular country is to go there yourself. I never implied that being black is disadvantageous in anyway, I simply pointed out some attitudes that still exist in some parts of the US, the Deep South in particular.

Dirk Dee, Doc Shank & Rasta -

Thanks for the input fellas. I didn't think I was making a wrong choice and while my game isn't as strong as 409 on some dirty spots, it is good enough to pull if there's mutual attraction, that's all I require.

G.I's do bang anything that moves, that's fact... Both my Pop's and Stepfather banged overseas and we're talkin late 1950's, early 1960's. My Pops was in the Air Force and my stepfather was in the Army as an MP, both involved in Korea.

Its not hersay, my Pops has been traveling internationally since the early 80's and been to Europe a few times and always is more than ready to share his stories of conquest in the Netherlands and Germany. We're talkin about a man in his 50's when he was over there. He's got game, some of it rubbed off on me... :)

Chocha -

Trust me, I want some chicas but my first weakness has been caucasian women first and formost. If some sexy arse chica can switch my mind up, then I'm all for it. Like I said my main modivations are mostly due to my lack of spanish speaking skillz and tho I live in ever glorious Southern California (Dirk, I live in San Fernando Valley), you would think it's important to know spanish.

I can echo Dirk's comments, Viper Room, The Highlands, Garden of Eden, etc is FULL of all types of people and IR dating is more than acceptable behavior here. You still get all the same problems that everybody gets in dating in America however, so its time to try someplace else that's all.

This perception is mostly based on internet actitivy, phone convos, etc between myself, ladies from Europe and Canada, so I don't feel like I'm making the wrong choice where to visit first.

I honestly don't think Germany is a good place for intermixed dating. I'm not sure about German women not liking Arabs, because quite a few women I met there were half Arab/Turkish and German, usually with the father being Turkish/Arabic, it was the most common mixed combination I have met. I think other places are more liberated towards mixed dating than Germany, including Sweden, Holland, and Australia.

There are a lot of Turkish-German couples... with 90+% of those being Turkish guy and German girl. The other way around is met with disdain by the other Turkish who will pretty much prevent a girl from dating German or non-Turkish or non-Islamic men. I really hate what religion does to people's minds.

BTW: Turks aren't Arabs.

Still, interracial couples are fairly commonplace and although they may raise some curiousity or even concern among particularly conservative or bigoted Germans, most Germans will accept it without much thought. Attitudes have changed a lot in the last 10 years. It doesn't mean interracial dating is going to always be easy for either party, but it certainly isnt a rarity anymore.

Sure, you will hear German guys complain about dark-skinned foreign guys hitting on their women and sometimes they talk very badly about German women who date dark-skinned men, but that's part of the territory and probably part of the thrill for some of the guys and girls. I doubt you could name one country where interracial dating is 100% accepted... jealousy is part of human nature and it certainly wouldn't be any different the other way around.

As for comparing German attitudes to Dutch, Swedish or Australian ones, I can't make that comparison because I've never spent much time in any of those countries.... I have however seen many, many interracial couples in Holland... black minorities make up a large part of the Dutch population. The Swedish people I have known, both men and women, although it is a limited number, were more overtly rascist than the Germans or Dutch... but like I said my exposure there is limited. Generally speaking, most black guys rave about Scandanavian chicks digging them.... but that could also be a matter of fishbowl statistics... within the atmosphere that these guys look for women, particularly clubs where black music is popular and perceived as sexual, they are going to find a higher percentage of women interested in an adventure with someone exotic. Based on what I've read, if I were black I would definitely want to check out Scandi... :)

As far as multiculturalism, the only European country to really succeed with it is the UK. France has a lot of minority groups but then you have the riots. There are riots in the UK as well. There was one in Australia too, Australia for the most part is an immigration friendly country similar to Canada, the beaches in some areas tend to attract fairly rowdy and physical crowds, surfers.
I have spent a considerable amount of time around the world to make a comparison, from my experience Australia is considerably more tolerant than Germany, yes there is racism down under too, but for the most part Australia has absorbed different people quite successfuly. I have sensed a get out of my country mentality in Germany and this applies to Americans like myself as well.

There are definitely more cultures and races represented in number in the UK as opposed to Germany, but I am not sure that makes the UK less racist or a better place for interracial dating.

Sorry that you got a bad vibe in Germany vibe sometimes, I am sure that happens... but can happen anywhere.

I am admittedly not really in a position to judge, as I am not black. My interracial dating was the other way around... although I did get some evil looks from Turks and Moroccans when I was out with my Moroccan girlfriend... and a lot of jealous but harmless looks from the Germans. Some of the Moroccan guys would even speak Arabic to her and she would just laugh at them and hang on to me even tighter... drove them fucking nuts... :) Sometimes the headscarfed Turkish women (wrongly assuming my gf was Turkish) would give her some really evil looks, but more liberal Turks didnt seem to care or would even smile. All a question of upbringing.

In any case, IMHO a brother should try Europe if he has the means... whether UK, Germany, Scandi, Holland or whereever... I dont think he'll regret it. Same goes for Oz I am sure. Main thing is to get out there and see whats going on beyond US borders. Same goes for white guys too.

In Germany the best sex experiences are found in FKK clubs by far, in fact, the women you meet a good FKKs represent the top 3 percent of women in Germany in terms of looks and sexuality. The majority of these women are from Eastern Europe, local German women are okay but don't hold a candle to the EE and other foreign women you meet in the FKKs. Outside of FKKs, if you cannot speak German it is going to be hard to hook up, the best local women never speak much English. If you're good looking, dressed well, have a lot of money, it won't matter what your race is, because you can overcome the race and cultural barrier.

Several posts down this page it was mentioned how much poon can be had by backpacking through Western Europe. It was my understanding that the hook up scene for Americans is all in the clubs. If you don't dance, you got no game. But backpacking brings up a more mainstream image of regular dude on a long vacation and not the trendy club rat type.

What's a guy's best chances outside of the club scene given some modest foreign language skills? No wingmen, no local friends, just on the solo prowl.

Yes I will get flamed for this but so be it.

I read some of the posts by some black people on her and am flummoxed as to the merits of some of the complaints regarding AW. For example, one guy is admittedly broke, drives a jalopy, lives with his mummy, and doesn’t seem to have a serious career (professional or otherwise) and habitually complains about women not wanting to date him. This same brother lives in So Ca—which is full of hot and open-minded women—and bitches that the type of women he has a fetish for, white girls, won’t throw themselves at him. It’s relatively simple: get a good job which generates good income, get a late model BMW, Benz, or SUV (heck even a nice Honda will do), move out of your mommy’s house, and it is guaranteed your dating options will dramatically increase. Serious women want serious guys.

I love dating and bedding beautiful women, so, I do have to do to afford them-- even if it means working in the smelliest assholes of the world.

As much as you decry the American woman as a gold digger, she is just seeking stability—emotional, societal, and financial. If she marries or gets knocked up by a man (especially interracially) and has kids, her life will never be the same; her dating/marriage options will substantially decrease. If she is a realistic woman, she knows that her marriage/relationship will likely terminate in the future, thus, it makes sound economic sense to insure that she acquires a mate that can provide for her throughout her “experience” —which includes the time after the split. Unlike Europeans, many Americans find the concept of abortion repulsive and will bear a child even if they feel the father is a bum.

As this thread concern LTRs and not P$P:

Regarding white girls and black guys. Most, but by NO MEANS ALL white women who seek out black men are low class trash. This especially holds true for the white girls who join interracial dating sites and frequent “black” clubs in Europe or America. That’s why I always roll my eyes when I hear some black guy jive about, “man, when I was at da club in Germany all them hoes was on my nutz. Over there they love brothas….” Are black men so desperate that they are willingly seek out the rubbish and cast aways of another group? I’d be ashamed to be a good looking black and to be seen with a fat low class white. I am not saying that everyone needs to date a member of a royal family, but there are SOME standards that must be observed.

While I am at it: What the fuck is up with grown ass black men dressing like Master P? Baggy pants, crooked ball caps, and jerseys look cute on a toddler but down right silly on adults.

Not a bottom feeder, undesirable or ugly.

I've known this girl for almost 10 years and she's from Germany, speaks fluent english and has an interracial son.

If your really think Brothas can only pull undesirables or bottom-feeders, your sadly mistaken -

She's ok, better than the P4P I had recently.

Still, not too many decent white chicks wear dollar sign necklaces around their neck. If she's over 22 and wears jewelry like this she is a lower class woman. Moreover, the reason why she likes black guys is because she has no other choice: she got knocked up by a brotha when she was young and now no white guy wants her. What's her profession?

Unfortunately, the more I see of this world the more opposed to interracial relationships I am. But to each his own, as long as no offspring are involved.

Dirk, didn't you say you were offered a job as a pimp in E Europe?? That's a lot of class.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Dirk, didn't you say you were offered a job as a pimp in E Europe?? That's a lot of class.[/QUOTE]I was also approached by a classmate to beat someone up about 7 years ago and declined. This does not make me a hitman.

I must elucidate the distinction between being a pimp and being approached to act as a chaperone/financier on a hooking spree by pretty attorney who worked with me in a professional setting. But the approach in and itself combined with my ever so brief consideration is evidence of something awry, if it's a lack of class I honestly don't know. IMHO, I think the girl knew my contract was wrapping up, thought I was a nice/foolish/gullible guy, and figured I could provide both the means and the muscle for the trip. I obviously declined, and was restaffed on another project a few hundred miles away. I never seriously considered doing it. Her approach was serious while my consideration was phantasmic.

[QUOTE=Dirkdingy]She's ok, better than the P4P I had recently.

Still, not too many decent white chicks wear dollar sign necklaces around their neck. If she's over 22 and wears jewelry like this she is a lower class woman. Moreover, the reason why she likes black guys is because she has no other choice: she got knocked up by a brotha when she was young and now no white guy wants her. What's her profession?

Unfortunately, the more I see of this world the more opposed to interracial relationships I am. But to each his own, as long as no offspring are involved.[/QUOTE]


Wow, with your analysis from one single photo I take it you must be anthropologist?

With your skills one wonders what you are doing here writing your pathetic views on the forum, you should be commanding millions of dollars a time as a consultant to the world’s intelligence services such as the CIA, MI6, Mossad, DGSE??

[QUOTE=Dirkdingy]She's ok, better than the P4P I had recently.

Still, not too many decent white chicks wear dollar sign necklaces around their neck. If she's over 22 and wears jewelry like this she is a lower class woman. Moreover, the reason why she likes black guys is because she has no other choice: she got knocked up by a brotha when she was young and now no white guy wants her. What's her profession?

Unfortunately, the more I see of this world the more opposed to interracial relationships I am. But to each his own, as long as no offspring are involved.[/QUOTE]Jealousy ain't becoming.

[QUOTE=Juniour]Wow, with your analysis from one single photo I take it you must be anthropologist?

With your skills one wonders what you are doing here writing your pathetic views on the forum, you should be commanding millions of dollars a time as a consultant to the world’s intelligence services such as the CIA, MI6, Mossad, DGSE??[/QUOTE]Nope, I am a (contract) employee for a consulting firm. my sole class in cultural anthro would not induce me to post the aforementioned; however, my tenure, albeit brief, as an 1811 did. my comments are not as flipant as you suggest.

I have no desire to be a party to ad hominem exchanges. People can say what they wish and claim whatever they want online. I just wrote what I've observed and felt--from a brotha's perpective of working abroad for the better part of my post college years, occasionly even holding a diplmatic passport while at it.

Happy whoring gents.

Europeans have a more rigid social class structure than Americans, a woman can appear "classy" but she might be a regular working class person. I have met a lot of fashionable and attractive European women, and most of them are normal middle class types. I spent some time over there, lived in an apartment, some of my female neighbors dressed like they walked off of 5th Avenue, but they were just regular people in terms of their socioeconomic status. The good thing about Europe is that you meet a lot of beautiful "regular" women, with modest aspirations and don't expect too much out of someone.

[QUOTE=Whiskerbisket]Several posts down this page it was mentioned how much poon can be had by backpacking through Western Europe. It was my understanding that the hook up scene for Americans is all in the clubs. If you don't dance, you got no game. But backpacking brings up a more mainstream image of regular dude on a long vacation and not the trendy club rat type.

What's a guy's best chances outside of the club scene given some modest foreign language skills? No wingmen, no local friends, just on the solo prowl.[/QUOTE]
The best places are youth hostels. Where else do you live when you back pack? I have met a 30 something German still doing it. It feels a bit of a predictor to me but the other German student girls didn't seem to feel that way.

The usual nightlife is meeting people and group talk in the common halls after dinner. Hostels are often far from city centers and back packers are very hard working in the day and need resting at night. Most are fellow Europeans so Americans and non-European get more attentions, for your stories if not you. Solo's are viewed as more challenging or romantic or whatever you want to describe. Group numbers seldom match. If one girl have an eye on you, you may be talking with all her friends too. But you can't score in the hostel as the sex are separated. But you can change your itinerary (because theirs are better!), and suggest to live better sometimes at hotels.

A different one is budget guided back packing tour. The worse or best had been sleeping and eating on a double decker bus for a few weeks. You can bang in the bus too and the others will understand. Also you have some hotels nights away from the bus. You can check the details of the other passengers before you join the tours. Schedule is tight so your group is all you meet. But isn't it hard to be sex free for a few weeks?

And don't forget the back packing mecca at the October Beer Fest in Germany. In no way can you not score.

[QUOTE=Dirkdingy]Nope, I am a (contract) employee for a consulting firm. my sole class in cultural anthro would not induce me to post the aforementioned; however, my tenure, albeit brief, as an 1811 did. my comments are not as flipant as you suggest.

I have no desire to be a party to ad hominem exchanges. People can say what they wish and claim whatever they want online. I just wrote what I've observed and felt--from a brotha's perpective of working abroad for the better part of my post college years, occasionly even holding a diplmatic passport while at it.

Happy whoring gents.[/QUOTE]


In light of the fact that Lou Rawls just checked out, might we have some peace between Juniour and Dirkdingy? You know, Lou liked his white pussy too! :D

I did some backpacking/hosteling in the 90's, so my info isnt really up to date, but I doubt things have changed too much and I dont recall my trips being characterized by wild sexual adventures... Like James said, most hostels are separate sex and although they often had a bar that was open until midnight, after that you were on your own. Many hostels also have a 2am curfew, so a lot of backpackers are in early. He's also right about girls in groups... my best ops were often ruined by girls not being able to leave her friends.

The best way to meet foreign pussy is to go on a student exchange program, you'll get more pussy than you'll be able to handle. If thats not an option, there is an even better one...

...take a European holiday, euro-style.

Go to any Mediterranean beach between late May and early September and you'll find more pussy than you can dream of, from everywhere around Europe.

Of course you'll be competing with the local Spanish, Italian, Greek or Turkish matadors depending on the beach, plus all the male partygoers, but it still is an excellent market, wild and fun... and beautiful beaches too...

Some favorites:

Mallorca: Germans, Dutch, English galore on this Spanish island. Nearly every young person going there is looking to get laid.

Rimini: Not as popular as it once was, this Italian seatown is still is a party mecca.

Antalya: Turkish beach full of top-quality discos and top-quality babes from Germany, EE, Scandi and other places that breed loose blonde women.

Rhodos: Beautiful Greek island where Europeans go for sex and sun.

Sun beach and Gold beach: These Bulgarian coastal beaches are full of party-goers looking for a cheap holiday. I had a blast there and banged a Bulgarian virgin celebrating her high school graduation. Very memorable... :)

There are dozens of other great locations and they are cheap. You can get a week in one of these places with a 3 star hotel and airfare from a European hub like Frankfurt or London for about $500-600.

An expensive place but one of the most beautiful places I've ever been is Amalfi on the Italian coast. Don't be surprised if you meet a celebrity or two here. Doesn't have to be overly expensive if your smart.

DS, I would say those beaches are really wild sexual adventures rather than backpacking. Mega topless spring breaks, and the only place to go at night is the clubs (discos). If you do well in MTV style spring breaks, that's for you, with a lot more people, more crowded, more liberal, topless. A good beach would be full of young topless girls shoulder to shoulder, hard to find a place to sit down. I would advise a hunting pack.

[QUOTE=Dirkdingy]Nope, I am a (contract) employee for a consulting firm. my sole class in cultural anthro would not induce me to post the aforementioned; however, my tenure, albeit brief, as an 1811 did. my comments are not as flipant as you suggest.

I have no desire to be a party to ad hominem exchanges. People can say what they wish and claim whatever they want online. I just wrote what I've observed and felt--from a brotha's perpective of working abroad for the better part of my post college years, occasionly even holding a diplmatic passport while at it.

Happy whoring gents.[/QUOTE]What is an 1811? Consultants can get diplomatic passports? I am not doubting you, I am just curious because you can make a lot of money importing cars with those things.

I always felt clubbin alone made you look either desperate or foolish to most women, no matter where you are. But I would say, your chances of hooking up solo any place but America would be pretty good.

That is one reason I'm trying to get to know some folks before going, especially women. The only downside to that is that she might want to spend all your free time with you. Not much chance for mongering, unless she works during the day or at night, when you can slip away unnoticed (until you bang it good and the cell starts to blow up...)

I'm still planning it all out and I'll have a much better idea of what's going on in a month or so.

My suggestion is if your not going for more than a week, get to know some local talent online! If nothing else you might be able to plant a LTR seed in Europe and still enjoy some mongering. All the more reason to visit again and sooner than expected if both turnout well.

By far the most amazing sex experience is in Brazil, in Rio, there is a surprising variety of chicas. Those European locales that Doc mentioned are definitely good bets for someone looking to get laid. Foreign exchange programs are a great way to meet potential pussy, especially if your studying in a female dominated program, like nursing.

Many times I;ve heard that Argentina was a girls nest. Beauties everywhere. Maybe of one you could tell me more about it?

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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I did some backpacking/hosteling in the 90's, so my info isnt really up to date, but I doubt things have changed too much and I dont recall my trips being characterized by wild sexual adventures... Like James said, most hostels are separate sex and although they often had a bar that was open until midnight, after that you were on your own. Many hostels also have a 2am curfew, so a lot of backpackers are in early. He's also right about girls in groups... my best ops were often ruined by girls not being able to leave her friends.

The best way to meet foreign pussy is to go on a student exchange program, you'll get more pussy than you'll be able to handle. If thats not an option, there is an even better one: Take a European holiday, euro-style.

Go to any Mediterranean beach between late May and early September and you'll find more pussy than you can dream of, from everywhere around Europe.

Of course you'll be competing with the local Spanish, Italian, Greek or Turkish matadors depending on the beach, plus all the male partygoers, but it still is an excellent market, wild and fun... and beautiful beaches too.

Some favorites:

Mallorca: Germans, Dutch, English galore on this Spanish island. Nearly every young person going there is looking to get laid.

Rimini: Not as popular as it once was, this Italian seatown is still is a party mecca.

Antalya: Turkish beach full of top-quality discos and top-quality babes from Germany, EE, Scandi and other places that breed loose blonde women.

Rhodos: Beautiful Greek island where Europeans go for sex and sun.

Sun beach and Gold beach: These Bulgarian coastal beaches are full of party-goers looking for a cheap holiday. I had a blast there and banged a Bulgarian virgin celebrating her high school graduation. Very memorable... :)

There are dozens of other great locations and they are cheap. You can get a week in one of these places with a 3 star hotel and airfare from a European hub like Frankfurt or London for about $500-600.

An expensive place but one of the most beautiful places I've ever been is Amalfi on the Italian coast. Don't be surprised if you meet a celebrity or two here. Doesn't have to be overly expensive if your smart.[/QUOTE]


Sounds like a plan but would this sort of venture be age prohibitive? I'm 35 , how would that float?

Hi all,

I am a french guy based on Lisboa, and I'm planning a trip to Lima. This is a very expensive move for me and want to be sure that it s the right place.

I ve read almost everywhere on thoses forums that the town is great for food, girls, parties, LTR, STR and that the city is quiet secure.

But, I met this dude in a bar in Lisboa, who has been there and told me that the women were ugly, fat and short, and the town pretty dangerous.

So who should I trust? You or this drunken guy?

Happy new year to all

Age could be an issue, most of the women who party in those Mediteranean locales tend to be in their 20's. You never know women unlike men seem to value maturity. I am in my mid 30's and have dated women in their 20's.

It used to be a big plus if you were American, but in most of the world today that is no longer a factor (with the exception of Visa Hunters). Still if you are ugly or fat it may be your only option.

Personality is and always has been the way to attract quality women. That combined with language skills is the most potent combination. If you are not bilingual you will most likely loose out to a European most times. If you are not bilingual learn Spanish as it presents the most opportunities.

Age, In the states if you do not have money then being under 35 is best.
However most mongers will tell you that in most third world countries(specifically LA countries) 40-55 is the most desireable age for a male.

Dress- While dressing like a backpacker can work for you in the countryside, Most major city women prefer the metro sexual look. Through out the world a women will notice your shoes first.

Dance- Learn how to dance to the popular music of your target country. Somebody mentioned Argentina (where Tango is king), For most of us Tango is to difficult but a little Salsa or Merengue is more useful. Again bieng in your 50's and having a command of disco will go along way. The other reason for dancing is it gives you a edge over the other "gringo's" and shows the young 20 year old, you have stamina. Salsa or Merengue lets her know how you are in the sack.

Background-If you are a big city guy, stay in the big cities. Country bumpkins should stay in the smaller satellite towns.

Bars- Gringo bars are fine for drinking and meeting the local *****s, but for LTR always go where the locals go. Your odds increase expotentially when you are the only non local in the place. This combined with the aforementioned factors will guarantee you leaving with either STR or LTR.

Women- In any third world city you will find bars/clubs frequented by the big money crowd. While you will find the women to be incredible looking, they are basically unapproachable if you do not have a European or American pedigree.
Unfortunatley most countries have only two classes. This leaves you with the poor class. However this is where you will find all the gems. You will see these girls without makeup/fancy clothes or surgically enhanced faces and bodies. The girl you are looking for is the one who can put herself together well under these circumstances.

Money- In the poorer countries it is only important to have food and shelter. Throwing around money is considered foolish and distasteful. Much more important is to have a element of class.

Culture- Become familiar with the culture and history of your intended country. Learn about its food/wine and important exports.

Example: After travelling for many years I found LA countries,specifically SA countries provided the most opportunities for me. I happen to be in my fifties and have learned that I am currently in Vogue. By learning Spanish the whole continent with the exception of Brazil has opened up to me. Although I have dated many beautiful Colombian's, I have a preference for the women of Northern Peru. While Argentina is a beautiful country, I find the women of BA too European (in their minds). Now I travel almost exclusivly to Lima as it has the highest concentration of women 18-35 then any other LA city. As they have such a rich culture, it is very easy to have a conversation and impress them with your local knowledge. It is the small things like knowing to order a Pilsen in Lima and a Cusquena in Cuzco. When in a restaurant with your intended order a dish that her region is famous for. People in SA are generally very nationalistic and I dare say regionalistic. By understanding a countries culture and tastes, you can target your efforts more effectively and increase your sucess rate.

Good Luck

knickfan:

35 is ok. i am 35 myself. it depends of course on the girl. europeans consider 35 to be young (they are right) and you are still allowed to party at that age. your target female will likely be between 23-30... most younger european girls will date older men without hesitation, but they dont like the age difference to be much more than 5-7 years.

eastern european women are more flexible on age. 10+ age difference isn't a problem.

most younger western or northern euro girls between 18-22 are going to prefer younger guys under 25... thats just a sad fact. :) anything is possible of course, but the younger girls are often in groups of their peers and separating them from their horde, especially with a noticeable age difference, it always that easy.

that said, the 23-30 year old group can look really great and are quite uninhibited.

another factor is education. europeans usually finish their education, either university or vocational, at about 22-25. before graduation they are often clique-ish and stick to their own age group. after graduation they are more independent and free to hang out with (or fuck) whom they choose. the girls are often known to go wild on these holidays. they wait for these 2-3 weeks in the summer all year and when they are in mallorca, fuertaventura, marmaris or wherever they try to have enough fun to keep them satisified through the cold and gray northern european winter.

the euro beaches really are a great deal in general, especially if you can go with a buddy or two. going alone, the lone wolf, can be a tough venture... most people going on these holidays go in groups of various size. going with a wingman will make your time more enjoyable.

one cool thing about these holidays, you'll probably be the only american. i have yet to meet a single countrymen on one of these holidays.

[QUOTE=Rastaman] You're a silly, ignorant, dumb-ass peckawood

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Your posts regarding African American men and white European women lead me to believe that you're a retarded, mosquito-dick cwacka who can't get no punani.

Rastaman[/QUOTE]Sorry you feel that way. Your assumptions about my ethnicity are erroneous. It is often wise to read through a few of the preceeding posts before commmenting.

Tommyguns: An 1811 is a federal agent.. DEA, DSS, ATF, FBI, Secret Service, DOE Invetigators, etc. Yes, diplomatic passports are given to non-state/direct u.s. govt employees. State contracts out many of its functions and status is granted to thoose who perform policy/tech/admin/support roles. They are quite conrtolled and are only valid for six months at a time. The easiest way to get them is to work for a Blackwater or a Dyncorp as a security consultant--read merc. Say, you are doing convoy escort or psd and need to gun someone down in the streets, you'll need immunity in order to effectively carry out your duties. HTH

[QUOTE=Rastaman]DJ FourMoney,

She looks exactly like Charlize Theron. Good pull bruh!

Rastaman[/QUOTE]

Man, I met her back in like '95 or something. She still looks like that...

She doesn't sound like Charlize however, she sounds more like some hoodrat from the ghetto. She sounds worst than some rapper do, but its funny. You would never have known she was from Bonn from the way she talks.

We had a chance to meet when she came out to Seattle for a friend's wedding. We chicked for awhile but it kinda fizzled out when I wasn't in the position I am now, of being able to afford to travel. As they say, If's and But's, etc, etc, but I'd prolly be married to her...

I'll be sorely disapointed if I can't pull somebody on the same level looks-wise. There should be no reason to bang a fat or ugly chick in Europe, paid for or not.

I just came back from jamaica and am sad to say that your chances of getting a jamaican honey are very slim(too much misunderstanding between black americans/jamaicans) it's too bad.
However I was into the german women with nice sloppy asses and they wouldn't even look at me.I would have loved to slide......We all have places that are better suited for our intrests.I get play from the dark latin women due to racism in latin countries which is just what I need! Black guys get all that fine blond pussy.It all works .
Seriously in jamaica if your white chances are very slim of getting laid by another white female tourist. It's like reverse racism but by your own kind...so funny how things change from country to country too bad not everbody has the opportunity to experience it.
Bless!

German women who go to Jamaica on holiday alone or "with the girls" are stigmatized the exact same way German guys who go to Thailand alone or "with the boys" are. Sex tourists. And yes, they are looked down upon... not that it really bothers them.

Needless to say Jamaica isnt very high on my list of places to visit... not that I fear competition, but it sounds like the deck is stacked there. :)

German women with Jamaican guys is more of an STR topic. I went to Jamaica once and the German women hooking up with the local guys were not attractive.
An Australian friend of mine told me a lot of German women go to Turkey and Greece to hook up with the guys over there, he often described most of these men as lowly waiters, bus drivers, janitors, etc. As far as mixed dating I am not against it at all, some of the best looking women in the world are of mixed racial origins. Jessica Alba is half Mexican, half Danish she is smoking hot.

Hey CBGBConnisur,

What are some good Aussie places for non-pro and pro action for first comers?

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]German women with Jamaican guys is more of an STR topic. I went to Jamaica once and the German women hooking up with the local guys were not attractive.
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[b]CBGBConnisur[/b]

As someone who was has actually worked in Germany five years ago, I am not sure on what and where you are basing your information but to be honest from my experience on the European woman who travel to Jamaica for the [i]”rent-a-dread”[/i] as they are locally known.

What I find surprising, as I expect do many of the others who catch these flights is that these women won’t even talk to you let alone look you in the eye during the trip. Yet upon arrival a few days later you will see these with these local guys all over them and as you know Jamaican guys are not shy in coming forward with what they did or didn’t do with them but most are in it for the money. A black European guy would struggle with to get any action from these girls, let alone an American but its not impossible.

I have many times questioned why these girls do it, because they are certainly not ugly nor old but I guess it must be a thing about control to be in a position to control a guy, something that doesn’t happen back home.

Just like the many guys who visit Thailand or the Philippines many of these women end up sending these guys a monthly allowance, whilst a few of them actually send air tickets. This subject has been widely documented on a couple of shows here in the UK.

I travel to Germany about twice a year, I lived there for nearly a whole year myself, been there a dozen times. As far as I know about German women in mixed relationships. The most common biracial couple is a Turkish male and German woman, I dated a woman who was a child of this type of relationship. A lot of Turks like to imitate African American youth so they use this to get the women.

From my experience it's a very common occurance for white women from Canada, USA, Germany, England, etc to go to Jamaica and other Carribbean Islands looking for sex. Mainly due to societal pressures in their own home countries, about blackmen and white women dating, these women go to the islands to seek out their sexual thrills. I've seen all kinds ugly, good looking, young and old, model look alikes and fugly women chasing after these Island guys. A few years ago while I was out on the beach and an older German lady tried to pick up and I told her I was not interested.

[QUOTE=Juniour][b]CBGBConnisur[/b]

As someone who was has actually worked in Germany five years ago, I am not sure on what and where you are basing your information but to be honest from my experience on the European woman who travel to Jamaica for the [i]”rent-a-dread”[/i] as they are locally known.

What I find surprising, as I expect do many of the others who catch these flights is that these women won’t even talk to you let alone look you in the eye during the trip. Yet upon arrival a few days later you will see these with these local guys all over them and as you know Jamaican guys are not shy in coming forward with what they did or didn’t do with them but most are in it for the money. A black European guy would struggle with to get any action from these girls, let alone an American but its not impossible.

I have many times questioned why these girls do it, because they are certainly not ugly nor old but I guess it must be a thing about control to be in a position to control a guy, something that doesn’t happen back home.

Just like the many guys who visit Thailand or the Philippines many of these women end up sending these guys a monthly allowance, whilst a few of them actually send air tickets. This subject has been widely documented on a couple of shows here in the UK.[/QUOTE]

White women and black men aren't a taboo in Western Europe, Canada, and Australia, as well as certain parts of the US. Most of the biracial couples I have seen in Europe, and there a lot of them, in the UK, Holland, and in France usually have a black male and white female. In Germany, its predominantly Turkish dudes and German women. Looking back, the half Turkish and half German woman I met looked just like Eva Longoria but with better eyes and a prettier face. There are some bars in Sydney where women go specifically to hook up with a black guy. A friend of mine who is African American came over for a couple of weeks and some women would stop him in the street to get a photo, he got their attention without even saying a word.

I was in Riga with a friend of mine who is black. He is certainly no Usher or other black guy with a marvellous body, on the contrary he is quite obese, but I must admit that I have seldom seen such popularity with the girls. I even got somewhat pissed off myself as there was hardly any girl interested in me.
I guess blacks are very exotic there as during the week we were there we saw only one more black guy.
We are going to Nigeria in 2 months together as well and then...

Some Eastern European women are fond of black men and others are not. Latvians, Hungarians, and Bulgarians tend to be more open. Russian, Czechs, and Ukranians seem to be more xenophobic.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Some Eastern European women are fond of black men and others are not. Latvians, Hungarians, and Bulgarians tend to be more open. Russian, Czechs, and Ukranians seem to be more xenophobic.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm -

I agree, its not unusual for a Hungarian woman to be married to American Black Man, in fact if I could remember who it was, its happen several times before, even before the current urban culture that's spreading around the planet.

I have no idea about Latvians or Bulgarians really but I have found a few personal ads from women in those areas on Interracial Dating sites. Hardly any Russians or Ukranians, but a few Czechs are on a site or two as well.

I said it once and I'll say it again, if I can't enjoy myself in Europe then something is wrong with me.

[QUOTE=Rastaman]I beg to differ about Czech ladiez....they are most definitely "fond" of Black men.[/QUOTE]

Silvia Saint comes to mind...

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Saint[/url]

The fact she dated Well-Known African-American (boy I hate saying that) Porn Star Mr Marcus is WELL documented, especially in the porn capitial of the known universe here in Los Angeles.

Rumor has it Black American GI's have had better rates of sucess here than even in Germany!

I'll have to continue my research...

I must add some confused member of this forum took this post the wrong way I think....

I know Mr Marcus personally, but never saw him with Sylvia...

Seems this poster thinks I wasn't in support of Sylvia's and Marcus's relationship. Shhhh I beg to differ, it gives me even more confidence I can go into Prague and PULL and I do mean PULL hard.

I got this comical PM a min ago...

[quote]Thank God she realised she was making a mistake and got rid of that. Well I know the Sweedes and Dainish women and finland women like them.. I know in General Russian women will have Nothing to do with them. Thank Christ for that. Most Russian prostitutes wont fuck them. They are told by their pimps that its ok if you dont want to fuck one of them. But everything else you must. ha ha ha I dont know I guess I was raised that color folk should stick to their own this myth that they are hung, the truth is the Arabs in general are the ones that are hung.. I must admitt the color girls usually have better looking bodies. But nothing beats the Rusian women in looks. Yes there are a few Russian women that crave them (God only knows why??) But they do DARE walk down the street with one or take it home to meet Mom or Dad.. thank Christ theres still a country that has some respect (nationalism ) and pride in their own Race. To be honest theirs a lot of skin heads in Russia especially in Saint Pete.. You see I live in Canada and what really picks my ass is all them black boys think the white women want them Yes theres always some white trash that has NO respect for them selves. But in General because they are Black they think they are special. ha ha ha thank Christ every morning I wake up and the first thing I say looking in the mirror thank God I am not black[/quote]

Dayum homie Im glad your not black either...

Pussy is an equal opportunity commodity, right?

I have noticed a undercurrent of racism around these forums which is bound to happen since the internet is such a informal thing, added to the fact mongering is somewhat shameful behavior.

Not too long ago, black men were hung for even whistling at a white women in the deep south. It wasn't too long ago a black father was tied up to a back of a pickup truck in rual Texas and was drug several miles, to his death.

That tells me racism is alive and well in the world, on the internet and we can't get away from it.

Most of this has come up I notice in the Brazilan forums, as large numbers of American and Canadian Black men come down to enjoy the GDP scene in Rio. When Pluto made his very BROAD BASED comments about the fact that more Rap/Hip-Hop Music is being played at prominate GDP pickup spot, better known as Help. Also that more and more Black men are showing up in Rio to enjoy the same things that it seems some white males have claimed as theirs.

I call that playing in the White Man's Sand Box again. Now that Black Americans in general have "tainted" female populations the world over and added that many more "mixed" children to this mixed up world we live in, they feel threatend their "fun pardise" is about be ruined by the thump of The Game and wearing of Sports Jeresys and speak of Ebonics.

Message to those trippin on Black Folks playing the P4P game mostly with Brasilan, European and South American punani -

Get Ova Yourselfs, you don't own the market on pussy!

That includes LTR's as well with women from all over the world. You don't own the market on the non-pros either and I resent the fact you would even consider it your right that we should stick to our "own kind" and our side of the street. Them days are ova, son....

I just had to get that off my chest, now back to your regular programing...

I haven't been online for a while, so please excuse me for commenting on a post made so long ago, but I just had to say something. In a post made on 1-3-06, Dirkdingy made a comment that white women who like black men are 'trash'.

Firstly...that is, quite obviously, a really racist thing to suggest - (I guess black men take on these skanky slags because they can't pull anything better? Is that what you're saying? Or do you mean that black people are so far down on the food chain that any white woman who would 'lower herself' enough to have sex with one, must have reached a point of complete and utter desperation??)

and secondly...it's absolutely ridiculous!! In my opinion, having a preference for a certain race (or physical appearance) says absolutely NOTHING about our character or social status or anything else for that matter. It's just what turns us on! How is a white woman being attracted to a black man any different to, say, a white man being attracted to an Asian woman? Or an Asian man being attracted to an Arab woman? Or a Latin woman being attracted to a white man???

I've said many times over the years that I have always had a thing for black men. Well, actually, NEGRO men - because OUR black men (Australian Aboriginals) just don't do it for me. And that's certainly not because of any failing on the Aboriginals' part. I would say it's because I grew up with Aboriginal boys around me, just as I grew up with white boys around me, and Negro guys - whether they be from America or the UK or Africa - are, for that reason I guess, 'exotic'. I love the way they move. I love their muscular bodies and their full lips and their big, brown eyes and ohhhhh god I love the way they move. (Oops...did I say that one already?) They are just so very different to the men that I come in contact with in my day to day life. I don't think it's any different to a white boy living among tall, thickset Western women, lusting after tiny Asian women. Or a Swedish guy in a sea of Nordic blondes, hankering for some Brown Sugar. Sometimes we just want something different to what we're used to.

Anyway, Dirkdingy, I really loved the first half of your post. It was brilliant. And I'm sorry about this rant, but it's late at night and I'm grumpy and I just had to put in my two cents. Flame at will.

I have this argument with a friend of mine who is an english female and loves dark men(jamaicans are her favorite).The situation is she gets more respect from those guys than from her white male counterparts.I guess she would be looked at as white trash in her world and opportunity in another.She also lets you put it in her ass on the first date and sells herself sexually by admiting she loves to suck dick.I see it as pretty eager to get some action which darker guys would go for...we are looked at as more horny and mischevious than the average boring anglo looking guy(not that all are) I get mistaken for latin,italian etc so I get those type of women that flirt with me.The really prime anglo women keep more of a distance from me.I still find it odd that my friend will not admit she likes "dark dick" and calls me predjudice for saying it.We no longer are friends because she annoys the shit out of me and that was a big reason why.
I feel if black guys have their thing going on good for them and I encourage their progress.Alot of black guys are smooth with woman and treat them only the way a black guy can.I'm all for interacial sex that turns me on more than anything. My intrest is in latin arab and hindu women who are darker than me.I'm sure some of those guys aren't into that fact but screw em.

[quote=rubber nursey]i haven't been online for a while, so please excuse me for commenting on a post made so long ago, but i just had to say something. in a post made on 1-3-06, dirkdingy made a comment that white women who like black men are 'trash'.

firstly...that is, quite obviously, a really racist thing to suggest - (i guess black men take on these skanky slags because they can't pull anything better? is that what you're saying? or do you mean that black people are so far down on the food chain that any white woman who would 'lower herself' enough to have sex with one, must have reached a point of complete and utter desperation??)

and secondly...it's absolutely ridiculous!! in my opinion, having a preference for a certain race (or physical appearance) says absolutely nothing about our character or social status or anything else for that matter. it's just what turns us on! how is a white woman being attracted to a black man any different to, say, a white man being attracted to an asian woman? or an asian man being attracted to an arab woman? or a latin woman being attracted to a white man???

i've said many times over the years that i have always had a thing for black men. well, actually, negro men - because our black men (australian aboriginals) just don't do it for me. and that's certainly not because of any failing on the aboriginals' part. i would say it's because i grew up with aboriginal boys around me, just as i grew up with white boys around me, and negro guys - whether they be from america or the uk or africa - are, for that reason i guess, 'exotic'. i love the way they move. i love their muscular bodies and their full lips and their big, brown eyes and ohhhhh god i love the way they move. (oops...did i say that one already?) they are just so very different to the men that i come in contact with in my day to day life. i don't think it's any different to a white boy living among tall, thickset western women, lusting after tiny asian women. or a swedish guy in a sea of nordic blondes, hankering for some brown sugar. sometimes we just want something different to what we're used to.

anyway, dirkdingy, i really loved the first half of your post. it was brilliant. and i'm sorry about this rant, but it's late at night and i'm grumpy and i just had to put in my two cents. flame at will.[/quote]

no offense mam, but, aren't you a hore? one would be hard-pressed to disprove my previous comments by the example you proffer: i am a hoe who likes to fuck "negroes" thus white women who date blacks are not trashy. au contraire ma souer, you actually buttress the point that you were trying to refute.

note that there are certainly exceptions to this rule. in the places where i grew up (west la, seattle area, and boulder) interracial dating is essentially a non-issue among most of the population at large. moreover, it's not necessarily the girls themselves that are averse to interracial dating in places like e.europe--as women are overwhelmingly attracted to exotic, interesting, and non-threatening men--but rather the societal flak that they will inevitably encounter in a black/white relationship. for instance, in most parts of the fsu, once a girl is seen with a black guy her reputation is in tatters and very few self respecting local guys will have anything to do with her.

i'm not saying that if some black gi hits planters in bucharest, circus in moscow, club pasja in krakow, velvet in budapest, or radost f/x on thursday in prague that he can't take home some student or other loose woman that evening. indeed, many fsu girls often want to "try" a black guy for the evening. these women will not be prime pickings but some of them may be cute enough. in some places, like in macedonia, the black defense contractors and civ pol guys there (with their 80k-120k salaries) often pay the flats, car notes, and tuitions of the women there so you can find some moderately hot poor women who will say "fuck it" and date a man of means regardless of what their peers say; most of these women plan to get the hell out of their countries anyway.

some of the embassy personnel, the diplomats and dss guys, do very well with the local women regardless of their color. i know a black fso in croatia who married the former miss croatia.

there are also some women in the world--maybe 20%--who don't see color and who are not particularly interested in what others think about them. these people are much braver and more comfortable in their own skin than i am.

for instance, my current girlfriend, is totally oblivious to ethnicity, and genuinely asked me a few days ago why i don't hold her hand and embrace her in public. she's also a doctor by training--science and techie folks are normally more open-minded than others are--and somewhat naive for a 28 year old ruskie over the hill model who spent three years in paris, new york, and london.

anecdotal evidence aside, many white women in certain regions of the world are taking a big risk in dating a visible minority. moreover, many white women who date visible minorities in some parts of the usa and germany hail from the lower socio-economic strata. this is a fact.

as sad or as hypocritical as this may seem, if an e. european women tells me that she has had a black boyfriend before i terminate the date as quickly as possible.

i have never been to australia and (can't fathom any reason to journey there) so i can't comment on the dynamics of interracial dating down under.

good day mam.

Strange line of conversation here, especially as I was again in Prague last week for the second time of the year and earlier in January I spent ten days in Poland and five in Prague, it’s a place that I always recommend. It’s a great place to visit with two exception, one the cold weather (during winter) one day was -27 and that is cold but the women were still hot, with the temperature averaging about -5 when it warmed up; the second is the thieving and pick pocketing, that seem to be rife, ([i]you will have to read my post in Prague, when I get around to writing it[/i]).

Oh by the way I am also black and despite being the only black face in parts of Poland at times, in ten days I only ever saw one Asian and a big American woman married to a Polish guy, who thought I was an American. I spoke to many Polish girls who were obviously flirting with me, one girl in my hotel kept inviting me to come to her room to chat.

So what does this all mean? That these girls were flirting with me were at the bottom of the social economic scale? Or that a large not too beautiful American woman has to go all the way to Poland to find a husband? [b]Dirdingy[/b] I think your views are somewhat jaded since you do not actually live in Europe whereas I do, and IMHO the three best countries in Europe that are so easy to meet women despite the colour of ones skin are the Czech & Slovak Republic and Latvia.

What a lot of people often forget is that the majority of Czechs are not your typical eastern Europeans, they are Bohemians and the mind-set is prevalent in the country and please note since the 1920s Prague has always been on Jazz circuit, only interrupted by the war.

[QUOTE=Dirkdingy]no offense mam, but, aren't you a hore? one would be hard-pressed to disprove my previous comments by the example you proffer: i am a hoe who likes to fuck "negroes" thus white women who date blacks are not trashy. au contraire ma souer, you actually buttress the point that you were trying to refute.[/QUOTE]

Hahahahaha...like I didn't see THAT coming from a mile away. I guess I could point out that, using YOUR logic, if hookers are lower than pond scum and yet you still fork out a whole lot of money every year to travel around the world for the sole purpose of FUCKING them, it might say a little something about YOUR character. Funny how MY integrity goes plummeting downwards the minute I charge a man for sex, but the integrity of the man I charge remains intact. But I digress...

I'm presuming that this racial debate started, as it usually does, by a "What countries are best for a brutha to get girls" type question? Being that this section is about people travelling to OTHER countries to find LTRs, the point I was trying to make with my post was that any 'foreigner', when visiting another country, has the potential to be considered 'exotic' by the locals. And the more 'foreign' their race/culture/accent/whatever, the more exotic they appear. Like, as I said, a Negro man coming to Australia. (And for the record, I hope my use of the word Negro doesn't offend anyone here - I'm using it simply to distinguish between people of African descent and people of Aboriginal descent).

Australia is, in my opinion, a very liberal country with pretty broadminded attitudes to most things. There are pockets of racism and a very active Moral Minority like in any other country, but overall, I don't think interracial relationships factor very highly in the 'things to do to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] Mum and Dad off' stakes. Call me crazy, but I believe that real love is colour blind. There might be certain physical attributes or character traits that tend to turn us on more than others, but ultimately, love comes from the heart, not the eyes. It's also about mutual respect - and respect, sir, after the way you addressed me, denigrated black people and spoke about your girlfriend (who I hope gets a clue very quickly and runs a mile), is obviously not a character trait that you possess in abundance.

Mam, I mean you no slight solely for the sake of slight. I mean you no disrespect. At one time you were obviously left with a pretty bad hand and chose to play your cards in a way that would provide some level of financial security for you and you kids; however, you would certainly agree that there is a negative stigma attached to prostitutes. Unfortunately, society draws a line between service patrons and service providers. Is this fair? Who knows? But I don’t know one sister or mother in the world that would fail to bat an eye if their brother or son announced that they were marrying a former prostitute.

Re you assement of my character and ability to fly half way around the world to fuck women. I have only taken two purely mongering trips in my life (Thailand and Columbia). I do not command a salary to be a true international monger—which I guess would be, at the very least, have to be 150K a year—which would enable me to jet around the world spending thousands each month on prostitutes. I am lucky enough to be still be in my mid-twenties and be employed as a consultant for a company that has numerous State and USAID contracts in E.Europe. I honestly do not use prostitutes that much as its easy enough here to meet regular women who put out with little effort of my part. And while I am not as loaded as some of the men on this board are, my 72K a year tax free comp package, my lack of wife and child, and (occasional) diplomatic passport make me pretty attractive to the women of ee. Oddly enough, the prostitutes that I have screwed in any place but Moscow and Cartagena rate at least two notches lower than what my girlfriend was at the time.

Anyway, I take umbrage with you labeling me a racist. I do not believe that any race is genetically superior to any other. Although I do believe that certain cultures, societies, and civilizations are superior to others. I have simply pointed out what many white dudes have stated—with various degrees of aplomb—that once a woman goes black she can never go back. (Of course this adage is tossed out when on vacation or when a woman is working away from home.) Even the most liberal minded Scandinavian man will not take home a black baby from his mate’s previous relationship to his mother.

Unfortunately for both RN and Jr. you fail to differentiate between curiosity, entertainment, and respect. Like too many blacks abroad (over 80% of them; mostly soldiers) you erroneously equate the desire to fuck something new as evidence of respect. E.Europeans have a very low opinion of blacks in general—they are either poor students from Africa or niggers who sing, jive, and bounce a ball. Blacks are solely for entertainment purposes. The girls think this too. So while you may be alright for a surreptitious hotel booty call the same woman would not dare take you to her hood to meet mom and dad.

Simply because Czechs like jazz this does not disprove the aforementioned. Once again, a negro is for entertainment; he’s a joker, nothing more. All those Slavs (and EEs in general) are the same. I lived in Serbia with my grandparents for a while; spent six months in high school in Belarus, studied abroad in Jagelownski University, and have worked in E. Europe aside from a brief stint in finance and about a year as a fed since graduating from college. While the only place you are likely to get attacked (and where you’re an American passport well not deter this) is Russia and to a lesser extent the Ukraine, the people of ee do not really respect blacks. One of most depressing things I see is blacks who are treated as minstrels by poor ass slavs who lack the capacity to realize this. I don’t know who you are, what you do, or what you look like Jr., but I only pray that you don’t fall into the same…these people are smiling at me in ee so they must like me… trap that too many brothers fall into over here.

Finally, Jr, it’s often prudent to scan a poster’s previous posts to get a feel for who they are (or who they claim to be). Both you and rastaman have assumed incorrect things which could have been avoided if you’d taken 90 seconds to gather some BI from previous posts.

By the way I think the reputation of American blacks as entertainers and ballers is very inaccurate. We are taking up our rightful leadership positions in commerce, politics, and law. Barrack Obama (who has what Colin Powell doesn’t, presidential ambition) and Richard Parsons are only the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately, Mr. Goldstein’s pockets are padded by minstrelizing American blacks and there are too many blacks who willingly sell their soul for a few hundred K

Once again, I meant you no offense RN. If you send me your picture maybe I can patronize your services…but I’ll need the brotha man discount.

Which again brings back to some core issuses when traveling aboard.

How will I be accepted by the country I visit?

For a white male from Europe or America that generally is a non-issue. Of course some of you have been labeled too as the "Ugly Americans" by many media outlets both here and elsewhere for loud behavior & heavy drinking, among other things.

Some of the things you brought up about relationships outside of the core relationship are issues Africans and African-Americans deal with every fricken day if we desire relations outside of our group. I'm positive its no different for women in other parts of the world, even the US to some degree.

By your standards, black males hardly have the status overall that white males do, so why would you be worried about black men going after lower class women you wouldn't want to date long term or bring back home to your mamma either?

Because all too often lower class women world-wide are also hoes, period. Only in America can you find highly educated and honest "hoes" working as escorts in various larger cities. From what I gather this is NOT the case elsewhere.

White Men want a steady flow of poor, uneducated fresh talent to use for your monger purposes and maybe "plunk" one from her unforunate surroundings that you feel might actually make a good housewife.

Black Males, specifically Black Americans are a threat now because our "Urban" Culture that most Whites said was a passing fad, is now dominating media outlets WORLD WIDE. Add to the fact that many of us are tired of American women as well, Black or White that alot of us with the means are starting to look elsewhere for STR and LTR relationships

Because of this, we are generally after the same women, as you put it Drikdingy, there in-lyes the "rub".

As I said before, everything is fine as long as White Males play on their side of the playground and we play on our side of the playground.

As for how others feel about Black People, we have nobody to blame but ourselves generally, but its not like White Males have furthered that by stereptyping Black Men at every turn if they feel it will give them an advantage with women.

Barrack Obama has as little chance being President as P.Diddy does. White America for one thing isn't ready for a woman or a black president at this point and you would think giving somebody else a shot would be a good idea.

But as usual White (Males) Makes Right, so what else can be said about that???





[QUOTE=Dirkdingy]Mam, I mean you no slight solely for the sake of slight. I mean you no disrespect. At one time you were obviously left with a pretty bad hand and chose to play your cards in a way that would provide some level of financial security for you and you kids; however, you would certainly agree that there is a negative stigma attached to prostitutes. Unfortunately, society draws a line between service patrons and service providers. Is this fair? Who knows? But I don’t know one sister or mother in the world that would fail to bat an eye if their brother or son announced that they were marrying a former prostitute.

Re you assement of my character and ability to fly half way around the world to fuck women. I have only taken two purely mongering trips in my life (Thailand and Columbia). I do not command a salary to be a true international monger—which I guess would be, at the very least, have to be 150K a year—which would enable me to jet around the world spending thousands each month on prostitutes. I am lucky enough to be still be in my mid-twenties and be employed as a consultant for a company that has numerous State and USAID contracts in E.Europe. I honestly do not use prostitutes that much as its easy enough here to meet regular women who put out with little effort of my part. And while I am not as loaded as some of the men on this board are, my 72K a year tax free comp package, my lack of wife and child, and (occasional) diplomatic passport make me pretty attractive to the women of ee. Oddly enough, the prostitutes that I have screwed in any place but Moscow and Cartagena a rate at least two notches lower than what my girlfriend was at the time.

Anyway, I take umbrage with you labeling me a racist. I do not believe that any race is genetically superior to any other. Although I do believe that certain cultures, societies, and civilizations are superior to others. I have simply pointed out what many white dudes have stated—with various degrees of aplomb—that once a woman goes black she can never go back. (Of course this adage is tossed out when on vacation or when a woman is working away from home.) Even the most liberal minded Scandinavian man will not take home a black baby from his mate’s previous relationship to his mother.

Unfortunately for both RN and Jr. you fail to differentiate between curiosity, entertainment, and respect. Like too many blacks abroad (over 80% of them; mostly soldiers) you erroneously equate the desire to fuck something new as evidence of respect. E.Europeans have a very low opinion of blacks in general—they are either poor students from Africa or niggers who sing, jive, and bounce a ball. Blacks are solely for entertainment purposes. The girls think this too. So while you may be alright for a surreptitious hotel booty call the same woman would not dare take you to her hood to meet mom and dad.

Simply because Czechs like jazz this does not disprove the aforementioned. Once again, a negro is for entertainment; he’s a joker, nothing more. All those Slavs (and EEs in general) are the same. I lived in Serbia with my grandparents for a while; spent six months in high school in Belarus, studied abroad in Jagelownski University, and have worked in E. Europe aside from a brief stint in finance and about a year as a fed since graduating from college. While the only place you are likely to get attacked (and where you’re an American passport well not deter this) is Russia and to a lesser extent the Ukraine, the people of ee do not really respect blacks. One of most depressing things I see is blacks who are treated as minstrels by poor ass slavs who lack the capacity to realize this. I don’t know who you are, what you do, or what you look like Jr., but I only pray that you don’t fall into the same…these people are smiling at me in ee so they must like me… trap that too many brothers fall into over here.

Finally, Jr, it’s often prudent to scan a poster’s previous posts to get a feel for who they are (or who they claim to be). Both you and rastaman have assumed incorrect things which could have been avoided if you’d taken 90 seconds to gather some BI from previous posts.

By the way I think the reputation of American blacks as entertainers and ballers is very inaccurate. We are taking up our rightful leadership positions in commerce, politics, and law. Barrack Obama (who has what Colin Powell doesn’t, presidential ambition) and Richard Parsons are only the tip of the iceberg. Unfortunately, Mr. Goldstein’s pockets are padded by minstrelizing American blacks and there are too many blacks who willingly sell their soul for a few hundred K

Once again, I meant you no offense RN. If you send me your picture maybe I can patronize your services…but I’ll need the brotha man discount.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] Black Males, specifically Black Americans are a threat now because our "Urban" Culture that most Whites said was a passing fad, is now dominating media outlets WORLD WIDE.
[/QUOTE]

the black urban underclass with its values of promiscuity, victimization, and mass ignorance is to be shunned not envied. it's a shame that you no so little of your own history or choose to hold up hip-hop culture as some sort of beacon of accomplishment. if members of the American black uberclass would pull their pants up off their asses, learn to communicate in proper english, and go to school and focus on anything aside from running behind a ball the vast majority of the problems black America faces would be resolved. urban culture threatens nothing or nobody. once again, it reduces blacks to jiving minstrels for the enjoyment of others. you, like most other blacks fail to see this. explain to me what you gain from some polish kid wearing an eminmem shirt and baggy pants. respect? lol. his fubu shirt ain't even real mate.

anyway, most of the time its the jews who get reap the financial benefits from the commercial exploitation of blacks. you're from la right? i used to dabble in acting and i've seen countless times some jew telling some black guy on set or doing an audition to, you know, ...act more niggerish. its hilarious. you know what snoop got from doggystye, one of the best selling hip-hop records of all times? a green jeep cherokee and some bling bling. others are laughing at "your" urban culture all the way to "their" banks.

i would never say this in the real world, but I hope Katrina comes to all the innercities in America.

I was born and raised in new york city and started listening to rap music before it was even called rap.I used to get shit in school for listening to "black music" by the other kids but I knew I was listening to good stuff.These days I must agree with what dirkdingy(although a bigot) that black culture is getting way too much credit for what it is and white kids who dont know any better are getting sucked into a vortex of stupidity.
It's nothing to be proud of. It's a breeding ground for every idiot without any self identity and it's ruining any progress the black community has made over these past years.
I loved public enemy,the crash crew,big daddy kane,Eric B and Rakim,poor righteous teachers,brand nubians,de la soul,EPMD etc. These guys were innovators with a message just like the rebels of punk music but the new school are a bunch of losers biting old beats defacing the work of those who gave them the opporunity.
The funny thing about it is that they are all pawns to the white mans game exactly what they rap against and worse they are killing themselves on the street to boost their image.
The whispers,heatwave,process and the doo rags,the delphonics,sam cook ,the tramps earth wind jimi hendrix these are people to be proud of.
Again I'm glad black people are getting theres .

I do shun most of it, in fact I wish alot of it was never heard. But the horse has been out of the barn for a long time, little we can do about now and as a whole blacks aren't willing to do anything about it.

Alot of black folk say just what you have said in general, you just don't hear it in the media because its not a popular opinion. Giving even more ammo to the argument that un-bias media in America doesn't exist. We all know the "real" news isn't being told, especially on Fox News, but that's another thread.

I know Jews control the media business as a whole but they also understand what sells to the majority of innercity and SUBURBAN young.

I know of several artist that have gotten even less from record labels but again that's another post.

The point here being that your entitled to your opinion, however wrong or stupid it may sound.

I guess we'll never get along, so with that in mind, I'll just keep doing my thing and you can say whatever you want, it won't change anything and Katrina can't happen to LA, but a serious earthquake could and not only blacks but latinos, koreans and others will suffer just as much as anybody else does. This is a very international city as a whole and when we fight among yourselves, that's one thing, but when we have to depend on only us to get the job done we get it done.


[QUOTE=DirkDingy]the black urban underclass with its values of promiscuity, victimization, and mass ignorance is to be shunned not envied. it's a shame that you no so little of your own history or choose to hold up hip-hop culture as some sort of beacon of accomplishment. if members of the American black uberclass would pull their pants up off their asses, learn to communicate in proper english, and go to school and focus on anything aside from running behind a ball the vast majority of the problems black America faces would be resolved. urban culture threatens nothing or nobody. once again, it reduces blacks to jiving minstrels for the enjoyment of others. you, like most other blacks fail to see this. explain to me what you gain from some polish kid wearing an eminmem shirt and baggy pants. respect? lol. his fubu shirt ain't even real mate.

anyway, most of the time its the jews who get reap the financial benefits from the commercial exploitation of blacks. you're from la right? i used to dabble in acting and i've seen countless times some jew telling some black guy on set or doing an audition to, you know, ...act more niggerish. its hilarious. you know what snoop got from doggystye, one of the best selling hip-hop records of all times? a green jeep cherokee and some bling bling. others are laughing at "your" urban culture all the way to "their" banks.

i would never say this in the real world, but I hope Katrina comes to all the innercities in America.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I was born and raised in new york city and started listening to rap music before it was even called rap.I used to get shit in school for listening to "black music" by the other kids but I knew I was listening to good stuff.These days I must agree with what dirkdingy(although a bigot) that black culture is getting way too much credit for what it is and white kids who dont know any better are getting sucked into a vortex of stupidity.
It's nothing to be proud of. It's a breeding ground for every idiot without any self identity and it's ruining any progress the black community has made over these past years.
I loved public enemy,the crash crew,big daddy kane,Eric B and Rakim,poor righteous teachers,brand nubians,de la soul,EPMD etc. These guys were innovators with a message just like the rebels of punk music but the new school are a bunch of losers biting old beats defacing the work of those who gave them the opporunity.
The funny thing about it is that they are all pawns to the white mans game exactly what they rap against and worse they are killing themselves on the street to boost their image.
The whispers,heatwave,process and the doo rags,the delphonics,sam cook ,the tramps earth wind jimi hendrix these are people to be proud of.
Again I'm glad black people are getting theres .[/QUOTE]

I totally co-sign....

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Once again, I meant you no offense RN. If you send me your picture maybe I can patronize your services…but I’ll need the brotha man discount.[/QUOTE]

RTFF Mr Dingy - I haven't worked in the industry for about three years now.

I've already said my piece on interracial dating and a black man's chance of getting laid in my country, which is the topic of this section. Anything else would be considered off-topic, so I have no intention of getting into a personal pissing match with you here - [I]or in private[/I]. Ok?

I think the majority of situations in america could be looked as a white trash scenario on the otherhand europe is different.I'm jealous of the jamaican guys that get the mature german ladies on the otherhand I have no envy about what goes on in america.I think the black guys who are lucky in america are the young black males in middle america dating white high school girls and cashing in on the hip hop culture.I have no objection to it and I'm hoping it breeds a more tolerant generation which this world really needs.I've stated many times before darker women turn me on way more than white woman.
I think your kidding yourself if you think all black adult males get the cream of the crop.Usually you see a black guy with low rent pussy that has bad hair and a big ass who has some kind of identity problem within her own culture.Most of those guys are aware of it thats why I try not to look at them eventhough it's intresting to watch.I dont think black woman appreciate it either.
There are exceptions to every rule and what I said does not explain everyone but I think anybody with an unbiased opinion would agree with me.

Where do you live? Maybe this brotha needs to get down with some of that.

I'm really confused. The majority of the last few posts seem to AGREE with DD that black males primarily only meet low class white women. I have been <dated> with every tribe under the sun, except Asians. None of the girls I have been with were lower class, because I'm not lower class. Almost all had at least a 4 year degree, none had kids, all had ambition, brains. Some had looks, some did not. I'm really attracted to smart women, so sometimes I would date women I was not particularly physically attracted to, but I loved their minds.

So, does this make me a singularity, an instance in nature that will never happen again? Or does this mean that some people just don't drop to the lowest common denominator, just to find a mate?

Not bashing DD or anything, but his views are what I, and I'm sure others, have lived with all my life. Nothing new is said.

/tangent on

As to modern hip-hop culture, what is viewed on MTV or on the radio is not hip-hop. It's pop music. Hip hop music started with dancing and beats, rap came a few years later. What is shown in the media is what the "powers that be" believes to be most profitable. Like MOST things on commercial radio/tv, it's crap. Wanna hear some good music, listen to Dilated Peoples, Madlib, Common, some Old School Eric B and Rakim, Public Enemy. As with most things, do not take what the media dishes as gospel, it's most likely propaganda for profit.

/tangent off

Rubber Nursey, like your points. And to all in general, nice way to keep the discussion civil.

Respect.

F

[QUOTE=Rastaman]Not where I live. Bruthas here get the banginest white punani running around.[/QUOTE]

You actually get some of both.

But why should THAT be any different? I see white males with QUESTIONABLE looking females as well, so what is THAT saying about their selection of women?

Sorry, but White Male don't always get the best looking women either, only a select few, just like only a select few brothas get the hottest chicks.

Let's be honest about one thing, hardly any of the providers seen on these boards are what I would call 9's and 10's (pictures provided). What you get is bias opinion on lady's looks from around the world. Myself I don't find Asians all that hot and I maintain the best looking Asians are already here on American soil and I have PLENTY of examples I can show you. You can keep your low-rent, non-english speaking village women.

The only place I can think of that has better looking women than what's in the US already is South America and even that is LIMITED at best. You still find popmarked and overweight chicas there too.

The US has the best mix of women internationally bar-none, period end of story. The problem has never been how they look, its what's in their HEADS.

Look my father was in his mid 50's pulling older Dutch ladies back in the mid 80's I don't think THINGS have changed THAT much in 20 years, if anything its become more tolerant.

I'll agree with Rasta on one point however, if you REALLY think Black Men can not pull talent on equal level with any normal white dude SADLY mistaken.

Seal ain't the hottest dude by a long shot, but he's bangin Hedi Klum and your not.

Case Closed (which is a good bit of anime as well)

You have to remember that south beach is poser central.The black thing is a huge fad in america right now.My sister who is a 40 year old yuppie started listening to rap this year after she got divorced.She used to tell me to stop acting black in the 80's now she thinks it's cool to be seen with black guys at a party...same goes for paris hilton and that crowd.Face it black culture has gotten way out of hand it's not even cool anymore.
The guys I like are the brothers from the 70's and 80's they had something original.These young guys are getting way too much credit for nothing.
Seal is butt ugly but he has a huge heart and a great voice and that attracts women and not to mention his BANK account.Hedi needs some security just like any other over the hill model.David Bowie and Iman(the model) is an intresting couple.

[QUOTE=Marak5]Guys

We know DirkDingy is black. We also know he likes to troll message boards when he is bored.
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No way :) He can't be black because he ain't with any hot women!

[size=1]Fortunately, for most of us guys we tend to meet "all types" women who also have a brain, sadly for DD this is not the case.[/size]

Maybe, DirkDingy just had bad luck and ended up with trashy white girls that screw black guys as a fetish. Perhaps he finds it offensive that white women want to fuck him solely because his skin is black.

At first, DirkDingy's insistence that white women who screw black guys did not seem to make any sense to me. Then I remembered observing young European girls on vacation in the Caribbean. For some reason they all attached themselves to the dreadlocked guys peddling weed on the beaches. It was no secret that these girls were shacking up with these guys and fucking them for the duration of their vacation. Now contrary to popular belief, the average Jamaican does not have dreadlocks and does not smoke weed. Most middle class islanders are clean cut and they don't approve of drug use. The former British colonies in particular tend to be very conservative. When I asked the local professional guys why none of them seemed to be interested in the foreign women, they said that those women were dirty and responsible for bringing Aids to the islands. The touts, weed peddlers, taxi drivers and guides were considered to be at the bottom of the socio-economic scale, and these just happened to be the men that these young Swedish, German, and British women were fucking so they were condered to be in the same class.

Most black middle class males in the Caribbean would not date a foreign white woman because of the stigma now attached to doing so. There might be a similar dynamic at work here in DirkDingy's case. He might be thinking that a white woman who dated a black guy before is perhaps deliberately seeking blacks out for sexual experimentation. Another possibility is that some of the white women dating black guys might be making assumptions that all blacks are into the hip hop culture, since DD isn't into this he might find it offensive.

I don't know if any of the above reasons can explain DirkDingy's views. DD might just simply be a rascist who hates white people. Given America's history of slavery and seggregation I really wouldn't find it surprising that some black men hate the thought of other black men fucking white women.
Does anyone remember the movie Mandingo?

I have heard of black men joining the Klu Klux Klan and stranger things but I'll leave that for another story.

Well...there have bieng words of wisdom all around..it would be interesting to note that asian guys are not far behind now a days..for screwing white and black women....if we go by statatics..then asian's are around 51 percent of the world population and blacks around 20 and white 11 percent...

With the economy booming in asia and money in hand..they screw both white and black women..more than the other way..just if you take the population into account....yet due to language barrier they just don't figure in here....

Japanese and now chinese...are just crazy about white and dark skin...and with booming economy..i read on the internet that some of the japanese companies hire charter airplane to drop their executive in russia to fuck on weekends...

Due to social customs' ...asians are not too public about there mongering life's...but slowly they are coming out...If you read around the internet..some chinese, japanese and what to say about oil rich arabs..they even hunt down playboy playmates for weekends.....its white or black or anything..money does the talking here...

True thats what asians are doing but do they return the favor and will they let you into their world with unconditional acceptance...no.They entertain their anglo business partners with a touch of asian hospitality but only for business purposes.The truth is they dont like anybody out of the asian race unless it's going to elevate them in some way.The majority of asian women go for really white looking guys to gain acceptance in the western world.I've always felt asians to be really shady characters without any soul and to have fragile egos.I'm glad that now asians are getting worked for their money by white women the same thing asian women have been doing to western men forever.
I'd also like to add that most asian pfp in america is a bullshit scam of "hurry up and cum" pay your money now get the fuck out.They dont suck good dick they dont let you lick their pussy and deep down they dont like non asians and worst of all they sell you shit food that they wouldn't eat themselves.I have not met many cool asians in my life .

Damm, Dirk Dingy have you lost your copy of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friend and Influence People?" Are you really trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off everybody here?

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]

My troubles are compounded by the fact that I know that I am smarter than 90% of the people in the world and 99% of the people in EE; [/quote]

For a man that “claims” to understand Easter Europe, to make such a statement is nonsense, even you should appreciate that many people in that region regard American as not having an understanding of how the world work and second in a country such as the US many Eastern Europeans cannot why Americans are constantly [i]bit-chin[/i] about what they don’t have when they already have it all.


[QUOTE=DirkDingy]
Don’t get me wrong, I routinely bag low class trashy ee skanks from the club. But I do recognize them for what they are and treat them as such—although politely so. I do the wine and cheese diplo circuit and meet most of my girls at embassy functions. But most of you are not on my level and don’t have access to this level of pussy. [/QUOTE]

Trust me, I have visited enough Embassy do’s and believe me most of the ex-pat women who work at the embassies are fucking ugly, second the locally engaged staff with any decent looks are usually fucking the ex-pats (single or married) in order to get a passport to the lucky countries. Third, the remainder of the girls who work are the intellectual types who are only letting you tap their ass on your wedding night. Hence I prefer to troll the bars after such events for a bit of rough.



[QUOTE=DirkDingy]
When you fuckers start contributing reports then some of what you spew can be taken seriously. International mongering is a grown man’s game that most of you lack the means to play. The sheer ludicrousy of what some of you people post is mind-boggling: [/QUOTE]

I have contributed many useful reports, please feel free to read my posts; Yes, I have been there and done this and that but I am having trouble finding any of your posts. Plus I am a very big boy but do agree that international mongering is definately a Man's game!

I am a Silver Club card holder on Virgin and I am Gold Member on Emirates and do you know how many flights you have to take to get to that level?


[QUOTE=DirkDingy]

If any of you black sons of bitches ever get your money right and figure out where Kishinev is on the map you crash at my pad.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I do know where Kishinev is and to be honest I would much prefer to get to Buku but one day when you see some cool black dude, smooth as silk, who moves like Shaft, you’ll know it's Juniour! And don’t worry I always carry my own jumbo sized condoms no no need to hide your little two pack in the bathroom.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]True thats what asians are doing but do they return the favor and will they let you into their world with unconditional acceptance...no.They entertain their anglo business partners with a touch of asian hospitality but only for business purposes.The truth is they dont like anybody out of the asian race unless it's going to elevate them in some way.The majority of asian women go for really white looking guys to gain acceptance in the western world.I've always felt asians to be really shady characters without any soul and to have fragile egos.I'm glad that now asians are getting worked for their money by white women the same thing asian women have been doing to western men forever.
I'd also like to add that most asian pfp in america is a bullshit scam of "hurry up and cum" pay your money now get the fuck out.They dont suck good dick they dont let you lick their pussy and deep down they dont like non asians and worst of all they sell you shit food that they wouldn't eat themselves.I have not met many cool asians in my life .[/QUOTE]The problem with this black man, is that everything is about race in his head. But can you get away with racism if you are black?

[QUOTE=Marak5]Dj FourMoney

I definitely take issue with this!

With the size of the USA, it is bound to have millions of attractive women. The problem is, the supply is low and the demand is high.

I started keeping track in my head of all the attractive women I see going about my day to day life. The numbers are very depressing!

I do not know if you are just in the planning stages of your journeys or what. But my country of choice is Argentina and there are some fat girls but nothing like it is here. When I am just walking around the streets there, I literally see a "head turner" every 30 seconds.[/QUOTE]

Marak -

Actually I would agree with you, but overall, because of the population size it dominates quite easily (the US). Sunny locations such as Florida and California tend to breed attractive women of all types. NYC because of its deep international roots has alot of attractive women. I can't say that for the rest of the country, especially the middle which is traditonally conservative, which in turn puts more importance on what's inside instead of what's outside.

That isn't to say that you can't find attractive women everywhere, its just not on every street corner like say LA, NY or Miami

Artisttyp,

I'm a 21 year old korean student and I have friends of many racial backgrounds. Yes my parents own a store, but they sell womens clothing and fashion accessories, not shitty food. You must not have ever eaten at a korean restaurant as most places aren't like the 3.99 chinese dinners that you're probably used to. Most korean restaurants are actually fairly upscale (my family of 5 spends 200 each time we go out to eat.), unless you go to the shit ones. It's very filling and healthy as well. I would say that most asian youth (Including South-Asian and South-East Asian) is a lot more accepting than any other minority group of today. If I tried to roll up to a group of black people and start a conversation, what do you think would happen? On the contrary, I think that most 19-25 year old asians would accept the person as a friend regardless of color. Artisttyp, I have known many well-educated and polite black people who make a decent living. Maybe you're one of those "other" black guys who makes less than 40k a year before taxes and see us asians driving around in mercedes, lexus, acura, infiniti that cost more than you make in 3 years? Honestly, I feel uneducated blacks such as yourself are the most racist in the US...even more-so than the trailer trash whites and chinatown asian immigrants because theres no one telling you that racisms when coming from blacks is wrong. I remember walking through Englewood, NJ in middle school (didn't live there but took saturday classes there for SAT prep and other stuff) and these black people of all ages would openly berate me and call me racial slurs. So don't go calling asians racist and not open to others. It's like throwing stones within a glass house.

Actually, I've seen some of the hottest women in the world at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. They were born and raised in Wisconsin. But to be fair, this is when they are young 18-22 and their metabolism is still high. Most girls I knew didn't have to work out, ate typical wisconsin crap (fried cheese balls being a favorite), drank a crapload, and still looked good. I can't imagine this to hold up as they got older, though. Madison was a great party city, and the girls were unusually loose. I think it comes from a need to detach from a conservative upbringing. I'm not sure, though, but I wish it wasn't so damn cold, or I wouldn't have transferred. Imagine breathing in through your nose and icicles forming in your nostrils. Not a fun thing at all when your class is a half hour walk away. Girls in AZ are hot as well. My parents just bought a house down here and the weather and girls pretty much match. So much hotter than New Jersey, where I'm from. Thinking of transferring again. To ASU. People in AZ are nice to boot.

[QUOTE=BH Bound]Artisttyp,

I'm a 21 year old korean student and I have friends of many racial backgrounds. Yes my parents own a store, but they sell womens clothing and fashion accessories, not shitty food. You must not have ever eaten at a korean restaurant as most places aren't like the 3.99 chinese dinners that you're probably used to. Most korean restaurants are actually fairly upscale (my family of 5 spends 200 each time we go out to eat.), unless you go to the shit ones. It's very filling and healthy as well. I would say that most asian youth (Including South-Asian and South-East Asian) is a lot more accepting than any other minority group of today. If I tried to roll up to a group of black people and start a conversation, what do you think would happen? On the contrary, I think that most 19-25 year old asians would accept the person as a friend regardless of color. Artisttyp, I have known many well-educated and polite black people who make a decent living. Maybe you're one of those "other" black guys who makes less than 40k a year before taxes and see us asians driving around in mercedes, lexus, acura, infiniti that cost more than you make in 3 years? Honestly, I feel uneducated blacks such as yourself are the most racist in the US...even more-so than the trailer trash whites and chinatown asian immigrants because theres no one telling you that racisms when coming from blacks is wrong. I remember walking through Englewood, NJ in middle school (didn't live there but took saturday classes there for SAT prep and other stuff) and these black people of all ages would openly berate me and call me racial slurs. So don't go calling asians racist and not open to others. It's like throwing stones within a glass house.[/QUOTE]

please do not affront 3.99 buffets. aside from the excessive msg, i find myself longing for the nyc 2 item plus fried rice and a can of gingerale lunch.

wi: girls in wisconsin have beautiful faces but they are too plump for me. girls in ariz are as hot as the summers are there. kinda like la in that you can find hot girls of all shades.

asians: i agree with the op that japanese and koreans are pretty xenophobic and unwelcoming but because asians are impeccably well mannered and universally polite most people will not realize this. i don't think most upper-class american asian's (korean of japanese) parents would accept a white son in law, let alone a black one. I admire koreans in america immensely--they do for themselves rather than putting their hand out and waiting for the largesse of others. I had a serious big tittied korean american girlfriend in college but she was a mental basket case (sorry, but many asians, imho, often have serious identity issues)--she was adopted from korea as a baby and grew up with anglo parents in MN.

you are right that black americans are probably the most openly racist group in america today. 70% of white americans are very decent. 10%-20% of them may be racist but would never say anything unless in the presence of their closest friends because they fear the consequences of being labeled a racist. no one but koreans and japanese can understand korean and japanese so who knows what ya'll are saying when a black dude walks by. :)

the only time in america that i've ever had a negative experience because of my race was from black kids. i was an aloof, somewhat goofy, and hyper kid and when i moved to a more diverse place in the 8th grade the black kids really lit into me. i went home in tears more than a few days. it was a bad year for me. However that summer, an injury to another, my ability to run very fast, and something called the wing-t offense caused me to morph from nerd to cool starting qb in a matter of three weeks. To this day I'm still a nerd at heart and retain a visceral reaction to low class blacks who shun what they don't know.

We ran the wing-t in hs too...was the backup halfback though...I have no clue what kind of defense we ran because i only started at corner and all we ran was the cover 3.. Cntain my side of the field...easy as pie. haha. Our football team wasn't that great, but what shed my shell was being one of the best 152 lb wrestlers in the county.

Who said I was black? I'm greek turkish and russian born in new york city.I do have olive skin though.
I was here in new york during the 80's when the koreans were boycotted by the blacks and they deserved it.They treated black people like shit and they sold them the lowest quality goods in their neighborhood.It seems like everytime you walked into a deli there was an argument between a customer (of any race) and the owners.I got into a fist fight with an owner for him wanting to charge me 10 cents for a lemon wedge to put in my tea.Is has gotten alot better but it will never get good.
My biggest complaint is that on numerous occasions I've been the one to be nice and genuine which works with most people but somehow clashes with asian culture not just korean.I have met some decent asians but with limits most of the them have no soul and exactly what dirk said are extremley poilte while deep down their going for your money and dont give a shit about you.Why is it that everything is more expensive in asian owned stores? that fact is universal.
I think alot of blacks are racist but if you treat them like you would yourself you have no problem.The black community has always been friendly to me with no strings attached same with latins and most everyone else but no non asian belongs in an asian group thats what bothers me.
Most important in america they make the worst hookers.I find them pretty to look at but not the least bit sexy.

I love the diversity of america but I'm tired of people taking and not giving back.Nowhere else in the world would this happen.You either contribute and be a part of the community as a whole or get out.You cant expect to be liked if you take jobs.People in europe are starting to feel the brunt of it as well it's draining any progress thats been made.Nobody would be racist if you hired americans and spent your money here instead of sending it home so more people can come here and the drain the system.Theres nothing racist about it just look at the stats.
Asians are the worst offenders of this world wide.

You can't be serious...asians...particularly koreans, taking jobs? I'm sorry, did you want to open up a clothing store? My father employs many blacks, hispanics, and white people. He CREATES jobs for the lower-income community. If he sells lower quality products and clothing, why would people shop at his store, which is in a downtown area with clothing stores lining the street owned by many other nationalities besides korean? Your blatant racism towards asians is disgusting. I wouldn't know about asian providers, thats what you get for trying to find quality service providers in the US. I think most immigrants are just jealous of asians because in general, it only took us 1 generation to make a good living for ourselves, and in my father's case, he came to this country with literally just the clothing on his back almost 40 years ago, worked meager jobs, and now makes 7 figures a year. Is that something to be ashamed of? Almost all second generation asians I know are very welcoming of people of any race. You want to talk about draining the system? You want to talk about stats? How about all those white CEO's and executives who outsource and send jobs over to India, South America, Africa, etc because hiring 5 (fill in profession here) over there costs the same as 1 (fill in profession here) here in America. That is BILLIONS of dollars flooding out of the US economy. Nobody I know sends money over to korea unless it's an emergency. Usually it's cheap labor workers who came here illegally from 3rd world countries who send money to their families. Everything is NOT more expensive in asian-owned stores. They would theoretically go out of business. Ever hear of the law of supply and demand? I think you just got owned.

PS: Any guy who gets into a fight for 10 cents is a scumbag anyways.

Juniour, have you ever thought it's pretty hard to step into your shoes? (or more approprately your condom.) People buy into an MBZ because of it's resell value. The same thing goes for a girl dating publicly. Dating you is dating suicide - resell value vanished. Who will be men enough to step into your shoes (condom)? I'm not as big as you if you are telling the truth. But I can easily make enough women scream for pleasure and beg for mercy. I have no intention to step into your shoes. It's not about racism, it's about stereotype that you tried hard to prove.

Artis, you are facinating. Why don't you convince Bill to open soup kitchens in your neighbourhood?

junior, artisttyp:

before you guys respond to ownaford1994 a.k.a james d 2004, you should know who this guy truly is. he is a self-confessed child [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] who must be brought to justice. anyone who goes around fucking frighten children must put behind bars with gary glitter. ownaford hides behind the internet to antagonize adults because in real life he preys upon weak helpless children.

Chocha, don't you think it's easier for the FBI if you provide the link to the confession?

I have no intention to respond to ownafords post.I'm really into the discussions on this website and have even found them to be theraputic.I dont let this guy bother me because it's obvious that there is some issue with him and other members.I take my mongering seriously and I am only intrested in corresponding with others who feel the same way.I'm not going to get any information from someone like ownaford nor will he be able to utilize any information I give him so whats the point?
Eventhough the race issue doesn't have anything much to do with sex I've been enjoying the open debates and I hope it helps people understand each other better.Thanks to those who keep this board real and to those who don't why dont you use your lobbying skills against more important issues like the US Govt.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I love the diversity of america but I'm tired of people taking and not giving back.Nowhere else in the world would this happen.You either contribute and be a part of the community as a whole or get out.You cant expect to be liked if you take jobs.People in europe are starting to feel the brunt of it as well it's draining any progress thats been made.Nobody would be racist if you hired americans and spent your money here instead of sending it home so more people can come here and the drain the system.Theres nothing racist about it just look at the stats.
Asians are the worst offenders of this world wide.[/QUOTE]

i concur. america is the greatest political entity in the history of mankind but our greatness is declining. america is great because of our protestant work ethic, rugged individualism,respect for the rule of law, and eternal optimism that is shared among our populace. we are also historically unique in that we'll kick your ass, help you up, patch ya up, and then declare no hard feelings.

unfortunately, our common cultural fabric is being eroded by mass immigration from non western nations. an immediate immigration moratorium must be declared on Asians, latinos, slavs/e.europeans, and especially muslims--africans don't immigrate in any mentionable numbers anyway. it's not a racial issue but rather a cultural and ethical one. most of the aforementioned come here to benefit from the financial paradise that my forefathers made possible with no inkling to replenish what they take. if we need cheap labor fine, but they should not be granted citizenship or be treated to the trappings of such. american citizenship laws should be modeled after german laws... or better yet roman cannon...no first generation passports.

there should be a few exceptions, like those who deposit 250K in an american bank account with no withdrawal possible for five years. these people, along with other immigrants, should pay a higher tax rate--10%-20%-- than american citizens do.

these things will weed out freeriders from those that are genuinely interested in being americans and embracing the responsibilities that come with citizenship.

also, foreign brides must return home if their j-1 sponsor requests it within a ten year time frame. i'm sick of seeing sorry ass men being taken for rides by natashas.

I couldn't find a thread to post my ideas, its not exactly site improvement, survey, LTR or STR but rather taking ISG to next level....and being my 100th post...made me "think" to contribute something back to ISG....

We haven't thought of it, but the potential is unlimited in the idea im going to propose for the benefit of ISG and to its members.

The idea is ""'ISG HOtsPots"""

yeahh...I think the time has come to take ISG to every major mongering destinations across the world. The business potential is huge.

ISG HOtsPots could be the one stop destination for every mongers dreams.

From Visa and documents processing to ISG hotel and apartments across the major mongering destinations around the world. Single window system for ISG mongers needs.

I think I need not go any further explaining as it would be clear to any monger how he faces difficulty in getting right things at the places he chooses to go...ISG has being doing good as far as the information is concerned.....lets take that same trust to the next level of offering services to mongers.

**ISG HOtsPots** would truly be an one STOP destinations for our requirements. Like we would have an on the ground trusted and verified "ISG GUIDE" who would show us around the places, mongers only exclusive apartments, In-house ATM, currency exchange centre, internet, food and transportation ..anything and everything that a monger ever dreamt of...all being taken care by **ISG HOtsPots**

No more the struggle and frustration ..yeahh..as smooth as it gets....I think rest you can make it up as its now a days an inherent necessity of every genuine monger a hassle free experience and **ISG HOtsPots** would truly fulfill it....No more waiting in the queues, no more reservations, no security issues....no more laying on one's faith and destiny while mongering and say goodbye to anything that's called luck...with **ISG HOtsPots** everything will be pre-set and pre-planned as per your needs and requirements.


Now, as far as implementation is concerned and the economic sense of it all.

Hmmm..lets see...right now ISG has 151,864 registered members and alexa ranks ISG at 14,164 a leap of over 25 percent from last three months and with a page view of more than a million.

Consider if 20 percent of the registered members are on the move to every other country for mongering..thats around 30,000 members.

Now lets take for example top five destinations for mongering, Moscow, Shanghai, Bangkok, Rio, FKK Frankfurt.

Lets assume that it takes a million dollar to built or lease 50 room ISG **HOtsPots** which has around 20 staff to look after visa, travel, house keeping, food, guide etc requirements.

Lets also assume a monger spends a service fee of 50 USD on visa processing, currency exchange, travel ticket, mobile, internet surfing etc (price keeps varying depending upon the country but lets not take that into account right now), 50 USD over all on transportation, 50 USD per day on apartment, 20 USD per day on food plus miscellaneous another 20 USD.

Now, 50+50+50+20+20=190 USD ~lets take another 20 percent off ... that would be minimum 150 USD for one day stay ..now for one month 50 rent + 20 food + 10 transportation + 10 miscellaneous * 50 rooms = 4500 per day*30 = 135000 USD/ month *12 = 1.6 million/year minus overhead cost and salaries lets take 50 percent off 1.6 million ===800,000 USD balence/year

I have being overly generous in assuming negative figures and make it look like a bargain..offcourse the profit in USD will be much much more as the employees will be paid locally ..much like first world service in a third world country.

Even if ISG HOtsPots starts in one city with highest ISG member activity lets say Bangkok which has may be 10,000 active members ...I cannot begin to imagine the potential of such a venture...I do not see any reason whatsoever why an ISG member would go any other place for his requirements once **HOtsPots** starts functioning ....Hmmm 500 room monger palace for ISG members in Bangkok....folks we are talking about giving competition to Hilton et'all in a months period.

Jackson would be our chairman, and the rest of the management would be seniors members who have gained the trust of fellow members over the years, truly democratic process to get top forum members for the different management positions.

Now the question how to get that 1 million dollar to get things started for the first destination. Well.. To get the initial investment, im proposing an ""ISG HOtsPots"" Fund...of just 100 USD per member or higher which would easily cross 1 million USD with 10,000 members which is just 6 percent of our total ISG members.

The investors would get yearly dividend Plus discounts on apartment stay plus a tag of founding members ...folks...with china forum booming and taking over Thailand forum ...I believe in couple of years from the day "ISG HOtsPots" starts, all the founding members would get to a level of free mongering stay at **ISG HOtsPots** and getting income from the dividends.

With Asian economy booming, china and India half of the world population doing round the world trips....demand will far outstretch supply by miles.

I see right now no negative to the business model for ISG HOtsPots....if we all collectively believe with a 100 USD in our pockets :)....we could all very well achieve...a mongering experience which will cherish generations to come ..yeahh..thats a bit heavy word...:)...just to get the end effects in order :)

I look forward to your comments ...
Loser.

DirkDinghy,

Your proposals on immigration reform is a nice dream but one that is highly unlikely to materialize. Few, if any, politicians would have the balls to support such measures. Most are too busy trying to win hispanic votes for their own agenda to take any position on immigration that may be construed as anti-Latino. Then you have interest groups such as La Raza that support illegal immigration because it adds to their political clout when the illegals are legalized and eventually become voting citizens. Many hispanics who are citizens or legal residents also have family members who are in the country illegally; hence they will oppose any legislation seeking to get tough on aliens who violate immigration law.

More significantly, many US businesses employ illegal immigrants in activities such as farming, construction, manufacturing, retail, food service and hospitality just to name a few. These employers want the flood of cheap labor to keep coming because it enables them to maintain a higher profit margin. They protect their interests by lobbying the politicians to oppose new measures that would stem the never ending tide of illegals sweeping across the borders.

The key to making any effective reduction in the number of illegals entering the country is to get tough with the people providing them with employment. A good way of doing so would be to include some jail time along with heavy fines to replace the insignificant penalties that presently exist. If undocumented aliens can't make money in the US they will stop coming and those who are here will go home.

As for sending home foreign brides, the feminists would never allow it. They would argue that it gives US citizen men too much power over their foreign wives. There would be a lot of talk about white slavery and poor women being forced to remain in bad relationships with American men and that would be enough to kill any bill before it could be passed. Even if legislation were to include protections such as paid repatriation to their country of origin and exclusions for those having US born children fathered by their J-1 sponsor, I still think feminists would fight it tooth and nail.

Guys I found this post on forum giving advice on immigration matters:

"Hello, I have a question. I have been married to an american citizen for 4 years. I came from Italy, when we first got married he was sponsoring me for my green card but our case was closed when he didn't appear to the final interview after a misunderstanding... We filed again and now we are divorcing after being separated for about 6 months. I do not want to leave the country and I want to know what options do i have? I don't have a work permit and I want to know, i am dating someone, will i be able to get married to him and stay in the country? My case is still open with InS with my ex- husband... I'm not sure what to do at this time.... Please advise me."

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Guys I found this post on forum giving advice on immigration matters:

"Hello, I have a question. I have been married to an american citizen for 4 years. I came from Italy, when we first got married he was sponsoring me for my green card but our case was closed when he didn't appear to the final interview after a misunderstanding... We filed again and now we are divorcing after being separated for about 6 months. I do not want to leave the country and I want to know what options do i have? I don't have a work permit and I want to know, i am dating someone, will i be able to get married to him and stay in the country? My case is still open with InS with my ex- husband... I'm not sure what to do at this time.... Please advise me."[/QUOTE]Go Home. Thats great your exhusband pave the way. Now you THOUGHT you did not need him. Its very convienent that you have a new boyfriend. Its people like you that fuck the process up. Gold digger. Or is it tradeing up?

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]DirkDinghy,

Your proposals on immigration reform is a nice dream but one that is highly unlikely to materialize. Few, if any, politicians would have the balls to support such measures. Most are too busy trying to win hispanic votes for their own agenda to take any position on immigration that may be construed as anti-Latino. Then you have interest groups such as La Raza that support illegal immigration because it adds to their political clout when the illegals are legalized and eventually become voting citizens. Many hispanics who are citizens or legal residents also have family members who are in the country illegally; hence they will oppose any legislation seeking to get tough on aliens who violate immigration law.

More significantly, many US businesses employ illegal immigrants in activities such as farming, construction, manufacturing, retail, food service and hospitality just to name a few. These employers want the flood of cheap labor to keep coming because it enables them to maintain a higher profit margin. They protect their interests by lobbying the politicians to oppose new measures that would stem the never ending tide of illegals sweeping across the borders.

The key to making any effective reduction in the number of illegals entering the country is to get tough with the people providing them with employment. A good way of doing so would be to include some jail time along with heavy fines to replace the insignificant penalties that presently exist. If undocumented aliens can't make money in the US they will stop coming and those who are here will go home.

As for sending home foreign brides, the feminists would never allow it. They would argue that it gives US citizen men too much power over their foreign wives. There would be a lot of talk about white slavery and poor women being forced to remain in bad relationships with American men and that would be enough to kill any bill before it could be passed. Even if legislation were to include protections such as paid repatriation to their country of origin and exclusions for those having US born children fathered by their J-1 sponsor, I still think feminists would fight it tooth and nail.[/QUOTE]

Boy it never ceases to amaze about the poeple on this board with very franky talk about the things that effect single men in our nation.

Thanks CM for posting your opinions, they should be framed for future geneations...

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
The idea is ""'ISG HOtsPots"""

yeahh...I think the time has come to take ISG to every major mongering destinations across the world. The business potential is huge.

ISG HOtsPots could be the one stop destination for every mongers dreams.

From Visa and documents processing to ISG hotel and apartments across the major mongering destinations around the world. Single window system for ISG mongers needs.

I think I need not go any further explaining as it would be clear to any monger how he faces difficulty in getting right things at the places he chooses to go...ISG has being doing good as far as the information is concerned.....lets take that same trust to the next level of offering services to mongers.

**ISG HOtsPots** would truly be an one STOP destinations for our requirements. Like we would have an on the ground trusted and verified "ISG GUIDE" who would show us around the places, mongers only exclusive apartments, In-house ATM, currency exchange centre, internet, food and transportation ..anything and everything that a monger ever dreamt of...all being taken care by **ISG HOtsPots**
[/QUOTE]

Loser,

Something like what you suggest is already being done by the guy who runs World Sex Archives (WSA). One or two of the hotels in San Jose CR give discounts to men who say they were referred by WSA. In addition, I think Bruce from TSM has a similar relationship with a hotel in Cartagena. Jimmy who runs "In Search of Chicas" may have a deal for mongers going to Puerto Plata and staying at Blackbeard's.

Your idea is great **IF** a country ever gets religion and opening acknowledges and courts travel for sex purposes.

Well George thanks for the info.


ISG is the largest sex guide..i just thought that it should also go it the same way...for the benifit of all....


lets see i have mailed to jackson, waiting for his reply .

Loser

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Well George thanks for the info.


ISG is the largest sex guide..i just thought that it should also go it the same way...for the benifit of all....


lets see i have mailed to jackson, waiting for his reply .

Loser[/QUOTE]

Born Loser 5,

some places like this exist already, though they might not run a Visa Service...

- Aussie Gregs Medellin Mansion, Columbia

- Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok, Thailand

There are some more, as I think...

Check the forum of the specific countries.


Giotto

Giotto,

thanks for the info.....

Loser.

Blacks openly racist what are you smoking?


[QUOTE=DirkDingy]please do not affront 3.99 buffets. aside from the excessive msg, i find myself longing for the nyc 2 item plus fried rice and a can of gingerale lunch.

wi: girls in wisconsin have beautiful faces but they are too plump for me. girls in ariz are as hot as the summers are there. kinda like la in that you can find hot girls of all shades.

asians: i agree with the op that japanese and koreans are pretty xenophobic and unwelcoming but because asians are impeccably well mannered and universally polite most people will not realize this. i don't think most upper-class american asian's (korean of japanese) parents would accept a white son in law, let alone a black one. I admire koreans in america immensely--they do for themselves rather than putting their hand out and waiting for the largesse of others. I had a serious big tittied korean american girlfriend in college but she was a mental basket case (sorry, but many asians, imho, often have serious identity issues)--she was adopted from korea as a baby and grew up with anglo parents in MN.

you are right that black americans are probably the most openly racist group in america today. 70% of white americans are very decent. 10%-20% of them may be racist but would never say anything unless in the presence of their closest friends because they fear the consequences of being labeled a racist. no one but koreans and japanese can understand korean and japanese so who knows what ya'll are saying when a black dude walks by. :)

the only time in america that i've ever had a negative experience because of my race was from black kids. i was an aloof, somewhat goofy, and hyper kid and when i moved to a more diverse place in the 8th grade the black kids really lit into me. i went home in tears more than a few days. it was a bad year for me. However that summer, an injury to another, my ability to run very fast, and something called the wing-t offense caused me to morph from nerd to cool starting qb in a matter of three weeks. To this day I'm still a nerd at heart and retain a visceral reaction to low class blacks who shun what they don't know.[/QUOTE]

Well, guys.

After reading through all the posts here, I think I can say that I have it the worst when it comes to LTR, without a doubt. You see, I'm not a black man, a white man nor an asian man. I am a US-born Latin from New York. You have no idea how LIMITED my options are in terms of LTR:

1) I fit the profile of US-born Latins having lower income. I do have a high school diploma and an associate degree but finished short of the 4-yr degree. Too much drama that I won't get into here. So no going over the world mongering for me.

2) My parents are usually the conservative type from the "homeland", which means that some of their fucked-up social and cultural values rubbed off on me. I have problems trying to loosen up when it came to meeting people of the opposite sex. The clubbing scene is a big turn-off for me. Even the social clubs around the city I have trouble getting traction in because the girls are already there with their boyfriends/fuck buddies/whatever or a bunch of girls are together and have this bad attitude. A lot of US-based Latins have the worst attributes from both their old culture and the US culture COMBINED. That is not to mention the stupid reggaeton/hip-hop crap that's the rage today. It's absolutely sickening!

3) Going outside the ethnic group/social group is a BIG problem because:

a) Latins in the US have this big stigma attached to them. Either they're looked at as criminals, illegal aliens or the machista-sexist type. I'm neither a criminal nor an illegal alien. And I'm pretty soft for a big guy. Shy even.

b) Again, Latins have this cultural pride thing and, as a result, I have problems trying to break through this barrier. It's stupid but that's what I have to live with.

4) Going back to the "homeland" to look for women is another BIG problem:

a) Most women there think that people coming over from the US already have money or SHOULD have money by now. I'm about as close to broke as possible. So I can't even afford to lie to a woman promising to take care of her because I already have enough drama paying the bills and I can't afford to tack on a woman who turns out to be a manipulating (rhymes with "witch").

b) On that point, you have to realize that Latin women in many countries treat men of the same ethnic group like CRAP. Either they feel that they have to get back at all the other men because of the way many men mistreat them or they have this superiority complex that hides their self-doubt.

c) Like I said before, I am neither black, white nor asian. So I can't even fake an "exotic" look.

So I get no luck with women in the same ethnic AND with women from other ethnic groups.

The real reason why I read this forum is to live through others' reports the fantasy of being that man who is desired, of that confident and well-off man who is adventerous and self-assured. In reality, I am just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. I feel that I can't even look at a woman because I'm afraid she'll report me for harrassment. Maybe I need psychological counseling.

At this point, I can certainly use some tips from the experts at this little panel here. I think LTR is the only way I will ever have a decent sexual relationship because I certainly don't have the goods for STR nor a bang-bang.

[QUOTE=El Socio06]Well, guys.

After reading through all the posts here, I think I can say that I have it the worst when it comes to LTR, without a doubt. You see, I'm not a black man, a white man nor an asian man. I am a US-born Latin from New York. You have no idea how LIMITED my options are in terms of LTR:

At this point, I can certainly use some tips from the experts at this little panel here. I think LTR is the only way I will ever have a decent sexual relationship because I certainly don't have the goods for STR nor a bang-bang.[/QUOTE]

Well, Socio, WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!!!! But first, you have to check you self pity at the door! Just imagine the size of your ego to sincerely believe that you are the only man in the US (or world) who has problems with women of his own ethnic group! (This is a REAL post, is it not? Or are you pulling our chains?)

I am a Black guy. Do you really think I have it easier than you scoring with US Black women because I am Black and you are not???? I know White guys who have scored WAY more US Black pussy than me!!!! I have been thoroughly rejected by many Black women for the VERY same reasons some Latin women have rejected you. I have heard stories from other Black guys who have had White women tell them that they reject White guys for the very same reasons that Latin women reject you. Do you know what that means? It means that US women, OF ALL RACES, are effed up and we should be looking elsewhere to get laid!!

You need to get a check-up from the neck up! Your self esteem has been so shot down and even your logic has been so warped that even when talking to only other guys, you can barely compliment yourself or think and reason clearly. Your rant was full of excuses as to why you can't succeed with women and is really a lesson in how to paralyze oneself into only moping and never doing.

I would be just as bad as AWs if I were to only dog you and not offer any solutions to help you. So here is my advice.

Since you claim to prefer LTRs to mongering (though looking for LTR advice in a monger forum is not logical and suggests your post is bogus), I suggest you browse the many agencies that exist for US men to start LTR with foreign women. I like Latin women so I am most familiar with those. Check out Latin Social Network, Latin Internet, Latin Love, My Foriegn Bride, My Latin Flame, My Latin Rose, Latin Euro, Cali Charm, Latin Best, A Foreign Affair, Latin Life Mates, etc. The list is almost endless.

Since you speak Spanish and could get by in Portuguese, join some of these agencies and contact some of the women. Be yourself with them, truthful and sincere, and see their reactions to you. Start saving up (Today, RIGHT NOW!!!) for a trip to Colombia or Brazil. When you meet these ladies in person, your whole attitude towards yourself and women will change and put you on the right track for developing a solid, healthy, happy LTR with some lucky lady who will thank God that she met you.

Good Luck!

[blue]Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson[/blue]

[blue]Greetings everyone,

I have created a new thread in the Opinions section titled "American Politics" where everyone can discuss American Politics.

Please, let's keep the discussion in THIS thread to the subject of the thread, which is "What Country has the Best Women for LTR?"

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

I agree with George90. El Socio should do a self diagnosis. All countries offer a LTR. The LTR will depend on you, time, finances, etc. I have had LTR's in Colombia, Brazil, Honduras, and Mexico and I have mongered in these countries as well. I too am a black male and I find have have more success in Colombia and Brazil. However, as previous reporters have stated, I have been turned down by women of all races and cultures just as I have had LTR's and mongering events with women of all races. El Socio, think of it like this: I am a Lion. I might not catch every gazelle I hunt, but sooner or later I will eat and I have yet to starve. Peace!

[QUOTE=adultj]I agree with George90. El Socio should do a self diagnosis. All countries offer a LTR. The LTR will depend on you, time, finances, etc. I have had LTR's in Colombia, Brazil, Honduras, and Mexico and I have mongered in these countries as well. I too am a black male and I find have have more success in Colombia and Brazil. However, as previous reporters have stated, I have been turned down by women of all races and cultures just as I have had LTR's and mongering events with women of all races. El Socio, think of it like this: I am a Lion. I might not catch every gazelle I hunt, but sooner or later I will eat and I have yet to starve. Peace![/QUOTE]

Ding, Ding...

If you are willing to share:

1. Can you tell me some things about your experiences with divorce? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

2. Can you give me some ideas about your experiences with the end of relationships. I've been in many relationships, but they never ended because we were tired of each other. They more often concluded because my contract was up or I was ready to move to another town. Is it like I imagine, where you *just get tired of being around each other*?

3. For those of you who are married: At what point does the sex get boring? Is it two years into the relationship? Some people have told me that sex stops once you are married.

[QUOTE=darkseid]I agree that foreign women turn bitchy when they come to America. The American influence doesn't happen the moment she steps off the boat though but it sometimes takes time or she has to meet the wrong person. I almost got married to a Cuban immigrant I met while teaching Math in a City University of NY, Kingsborough Community College. She was very nice and respectful towards me when I first met her. She just got her citizenship in the US when she entered high school so I met her during her fourth year in the US. Two years after I first dated her and got engaged to her, she met a feminist ***** named Martha in New York University, the school Nury transferred to after 2 years, who taught her the American ways of "freedom". Martha brainwashed my ex-fiancee, Nury, into believing that women have the true power of the household and that men should be puppets. Martha also told Nury to quit working out with me and eat fast foods with her and told her to "be her own person and in charge of her man". This was an extreme change in Nury's character, from a loving and caring woman to a complete neo-feminist *****. I don't know what I did to deserve this but I was very loving and respectful towards her. I always listened to Nury and solved her problems, bought her things she needed and wanted, and cared deeply for her and I never even physically or mentally abused her but after meeting Martha, Nury started being abusive. It's not really that we are nice to these women or overspoil them but it is the American influence. If I lived in Cuba with Nury, she would never have met such an American neo-feminist ***** like Martha and we would still be together. This is why I'd like to retire in Brazil and marry a much younger, much prettier and less shallow girl.[/QUOTE]

I like this quote about how his cuban fiance wouldn't be such a hag in communist cuba, nominally a big proponent of feminism.

The point is, what we have in the US isn't feminism-its a kind of degradation of anything male and a plethora of opportunities for women. A lot of it is from pandering, the media, traditional notions of chivalry, puritanism etc. I still don't get how it turned out this way and how there could be such a huge differentiation to the rest of the world. I don't buy the argument that its because of increased financial opportunities for women in the U.S. Plenty of women in Japan, Western Europe have plenty of financial opportunity and they are still civil and reasonable.

What the heck is going on in America and how did it happen?

[QUOTE=Jesterl]What the heck is going on in America and how did it happen?[/QUOTE]

Excellent questions, Jester. You will probably get a Nobel prize of you can find the answers, LOL!

Seriously, the answers to your questions require a Ph.D. in sociology or something along those lines. It could take the rest of your life to
answer those 2 questions. Do you really want to spend your time and energy that way???

The US has become what it has become. American women are now what they are. Our choices, as Americn men, are to wallow in that same stew, or work to get something better for ourselves.

Darkseid has it right. We should be working to meet foreign women, women who have their values straight and are less likely to be corrupted by US feminists, and working to retire abroad and away from that type of woman.

Join us, Jester, in our search for foreign wives!

[QUOTE=George90]Excellent questions, Jester. You will probably get a Nobel prize of you can find the answers, LOL!

Seriously, the answers to your questions require a Ph.D. in sociology or something along those lines. It could take the rest of your life to answer those 2 questions. Do you really want to spend your time and energy that way?

The US has become what it has become. American women are now what they are. Our choices, as Americn men, are to wallow in that same stew, or work to get something better for ourselves.

Darkseid has it right. We should be working to meet foreign women, women who have their values straight and are less likely to be corrupted by US feminists, and working to retire abroad and away from that type of woman.

I hear ya man, but I don't about those options. Even if one did retire early, say 50, the dating gig's pretty much up at that point. I was introduced to foreign women at my college and then the JET Program in Japan. I saw many guys not wanting to go back, but there isn't as much tolerance abroad for foreigners, employment etc. THe English teaching game is shot to hell, because of the huge flux of anglo-dudes wanting to get out. It seems the only guys that luck out are servicemen (just as likely to go to the mid-east as a cool place), clueless execs that just happen to walk into an expat gig.

In some ways I wish I never went abroad. It's even harder to put up with this after knowing. It did have an effect on my career, changed my priorities. I left med school and am in pharm school now. I'm hoping to work DOD abroad (I choose the base). THen again, I'll be thirty when I go over again. I might have a few good dating years before the women I'm dating hear their bio-clock. Sweet.

Chinese girls love western guys.

[QUOTE=China Lily]Chinese girls love western guys.[/QUOTE]Hi China Lily,

I've dated chinese students in the states and they are nice. Why do chinese girls like western guys? I have my theories but want to hear from the source. Also, a lot of asian guys say caucasion guys get special treatment and that asian girls treat asian guys less well. Is this true and by how much? Are the asian guys just having bad game or complaining?

[QUOTE=Jesterl]Hi China Lily,

I've dated chinese students in the states and they are nice. Why do chinese girls like western guys? I have my theories but want to hear from the source. Also, a lot of asian guys say caucasion guys get special treatment and that asian girls treat asian guys less well. Is this true and by how much? Are the asian guys just having bad game or complaining?[/QUOTE]

Western guys have bigger cocks.... <----- sarcasm...

[QUOTE=El Socio06]Well, guys.

After reading through all the posts here, I think I can say that I have it the worst when it comes to LTR, without a doubt. You see, I'm not a black man, a white man nor an asian man. I am a US-born Latin from New York. You have no idea how LIMITED my options are in terms of LTR:

1) I fit the profile of US-born Latins having lower income. I do have a high school diploma and an associate degree but finished short of the 4-yr degree. Too much drama that I won't get into here. So no going over the world mongering for me.

2) My parents are usually the conservative type from the "homeland", which means that some of their fucked-up social and cultural values rubbed off on me. I have problems trying to loosen up when it came to meeting people of the opposite sex. The clubbing scene is a big turn-off for me. Even the social clubs around the city I have trouble getting traction in because the girls are already there with their boyfriends/fuck buddies/whatever or a bunch of girls are together and have this bad attitude. A lot of US-based Latins have the worst attributes from both their old culture and the US culture COMBINED. That is not to mention the stupid reggaeton/hip-hop crap that's the rage today. It's absolutely sickening!

3) Going outside the ethnic group/social group is a BIG problem because:

a) Latins in the US have this big stigma attached to them. Either they're looked at as criminals, illegal aliens or the machista-sexist type. I'm neither a criminal nor an illegal alien. And I'm pretty soft for a big guy. Shy even.

b) Again, Latins have this cultural pride thing and, as a result, I have problems trying to break through this barrier. It's stupid but that's what I have to live with.

4) Going back to the "homeland" to look for women is another BIG problem:

a) Most women there think that people coming over from the US already have money or SHOULD have money by now. I'm about as close to broke as possible. So I can't even afford to lie to a woman promising to take care of her because I already have enough drama paying the bills and I can't afford to tack on a woman who turns out to be a manipulating (rhymes with "witch").

b) On that point, you have to realize that Latin women in many countries treat men of the same ethnic group like CRAP. Either they feel that they have to get back at all the other men because of the way many men mistreat them or they have this superiority complex that hides their self-doubt.

c) Like I said before, I am neither black, white nor asian. So I can't even fake an "exotic" look.

So I get no luck with women in the same ethnic AND with women from other ethnic groups.

The real reason why I read this forum is to live through others' reports the fantasy of being that man who is desired, of that confident and well-off man who is adventerous and self-assured. In reality, I am just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. I feel that I can't even look at a woman because I'm afraid she'll report me for harrassment. Maybe I need psychological counseling.

At this point, I can certainly use some tips from the experts at this little panel here. I think LTR is the only way I will ever have a decent sexual relationship because I certainly don't have the goods for STR nor a bang-bang.[/QUOTE]I'm white and I have trouble with the American white woman here. I have some luck with the latinas at times though. I don't know why? Maybe they want something different? Who knows. In general I'm having trouble with them all right now to be honest.

[QUOTE=Requiem]I'm white and I have trouble with the American white woman here. I have some luck with the latinas at times though. I don't know why? Maybe they want something different? Who knows. In general I'm having trouble with them all right now to be honest.[/QUOTE]

You and most other decent American men are having all kinds of trouble with all American women, regardless of race or ethnicity. Michael Richards went on that racist rant, but for guys who have been abroad and dealt with women in other countries, we KNOW that Black, White, and Latina women here in the US are more similar to each other than different from each other. American women of any race are united by the American culture and its anti-(straight) man bias. I have dated Latinas from Colombia. A White American woman has much more in common with a Black American woman than she does with a White Colombiana.

So Requiem, welcome to the club and join us in a our search for foreign wives and girlfriends. If you are having mor luck with Latinas, then check out some Latin dating agencies. Some good ones are Latin Euro, My Latin Flame, My Latin Rose, My Foreign Bride, Latin Social Network, Brazil Romance, Cali Charm, All Colombian Girls. There are many more.

[QUOTE=El Socio06]Well, guys.

After reading through all the posts here, I think I can say that I have it the worst when it comes to LTR, without a doubt. You see, I'm not a black man, a white man nor an asian man. I am a US-born Latin from New York. You have no idea how LIMITED my options are in terms of LTR:

1) I fit the profile of US-born Latins having lower income. I do have a high school diploma and an associate degree but finished short of the 4-yr degree. Too much drama that I won't get into here. So no going over the world mongering for me.

2) My parents are usually the conservative type from the "homeland", which means that some of their fucked-up social and cultural values rubbed off on me. I have problems trying to loosen up when it came to meeting people of the opposite sex. The clubbing scene is a big turn-off for me. Even the social clubs around the city I have trouble getting traction in because the girls are already there with their boyfriends/fuck buddies/whatever or a bunch of girls are together and have this bad attitude. A lot of US-based Latins have the worst attributes from both their old culture and the US culture COMBINED. That is not to mention the stupid reggaeton/hip-hop crap that's the rage today. It's absolutely sickening!

3) Going outside the ethnic group/social group is a BIG problem because:

a) Latins in the US have this big stigma attached to them. Either they're looked at as criminals, illegal aliens or the machista-sexist type. I'm neither a criminal nor an illegal alien. And I'm pretty soft for a big guy. Shy even.

b) Again, Latins have this cultural pride thing and, as a result, I have problems trying to break through this barrier. It's stupid but that's what I have to live with.

4) Going back to the "homeland" to look for women is another BIG problem:

a) Most women there think that people coming over from the US already have money or SHOULD have money by now. I'm about as close to broke as possible. So I can't even afford to lie to a woman promising to take care of her because I already have enough drama paying the bills and I can't afford to tack on a woman who turns out to be a manipulating (rhymes with "witch").

b) On that point, you have to realize that Latin women in many countries treat men of the same ethnic group like CRAP. Either they feel that they have to get back at all the other men because of the way many men mistreat them or they have this superiority complex that hides their self-doubt.

c) Like I said before, I am neither black, white nor asian. So I can't even fake an "exotic" look.

So I get no luck with women in the same ethnic AND with women from other ethnic groups.

The real reason why I read this forum is to live through others' reports the fantasy of being that man who is desired, of that confident and well-off man who is adventerous and self-assured. In reality, I am just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. I feel that I can't even look at a woman because I'm afraid she'll report me for harrassment. Maybe I need psychological counseling.

At this point, I can certainly use some tips from the experts at this little panel here. I think LTR is the only way I will ever have a decent sexual relationship because I certainly don't have the goods for STR nor a bang-bang.[/QUOTE]I am not sure that your diagnosis is correct.

Let's make a few basic assumptions that you are not overweight and that you have reasonable appearance, dress sense, manners, grooming, dentition, and personal hygiene--but you can't attract women.

It seems to me that all of your problems stem from the fact that you do not have a decent job and therefore only make enough money to pay for your basic needs.

Life is very unfair. Two single men can have the same level of earnings, yet one lives with his parents and pays a nominal rent, and lives close to his job, so has minimal travel expense. He can spend all his money on entertaining himself. The other guy has a mortgage or rent and child support to pay, and spends his spare time watching TV because it is all he can afford.

Clearly you need to improve your money situation.

On the plus side, you grew up in the US, you speak English fluently, you have educational qualifications, you have computer access, and you live in a major metropolitan area, so you definitely have opportunities to upgrade your status in life.

I immigrated to the US 12 years ago. When I arrived I was not completely broke, as I had about $6K, but my first job was for $6 per hour while I went to college to get credentialed. Now I have a decent job, pension rights, I am a landlord, have a decent place to live, and can afford to make trips overseas approximately every 6 weeks.

It may, however, interest you to know that even though I am Caucasian, I have never had much social contact with Caucasian Americans of either sex. Their culture is a mystery to me, and if you didn't go to high school here or belong to a Baptist church and understand football and basketball, you have little chance of cracking the code.

So fucking what? Most of myfriends and associates are black or latino and I like it that way. You are not missing anything by not being accepted by Caucasian Americans. This is America. You can meet and woo women of any racial background. In your city there are millions of people of all kinds of ethnicities who are newly arrived in the US, or second generation like you, who are struggling to survive and make it in the world. They are all insecure and fearful like you, including the women, and desperately looking for someone who will bring some comfort and security to their lives. They are everywhere and you can meet them and befriend them anywhere, in places where they work, in the supermarket, whatever, so there is no real need to go to bars or nightclubs.

Try to chat and flirt with all the women you meet, not just the young attractive ones, and after a while it will become easier.

If meeting women in the US is so easy, you are going to ask, why do we (I) travel overseas and buy sex? Firstly because we can leverage ourselves in the sexual marketplace. Here in the US I can date a nice woman of 50. In the Dominican Republic, I can date a nice woman of 25. Secondly, I actually do have a long term steady girlfriend there, so having extra sex on the side down there is a perk that I enjoy, because the excitement and the intrigue keep me young at heart, but is not essential to my happiness.

So my advice, which you are free to ignore, is concentrate first on sorting out your financial woes, then the women will come to you.

Hi everyone,

I have a bit of a dilemma and I'm curious what your advice would be.

Like many of you, I'm not that interested in local women (in my case Canadian) and would really prefer a foreign girl. I am Pakistani so I have the option of marrying a girl from back home (not sure if "option" is the right word, but that's another story). Anyways she is good-looking, very intelligent and would of course make a great wife.

Sounds great right? Well, the problem is I'm much more interested in meeting a girl from another country. I'm sure many of you can relate to my desire to be with someone different than my own kind. I want to experience and share in a different culture and language and not be closed off in only my own. Of course there would be more difficulties involved, but it would also be much more interesting to me than just going with the same old boring accepted conventions.

When I look at sites that offer the possibility of meeting foreign ladies and/or romance tours (anyone have any experience with those?), that looks like something I'd really like to try. I'm particularly interested in Asian women, but would my ethnicity cause any problems in those cultures?

What do you guys think? Should I play it safe or should I take a risk that could have a higher payoff?

[QUOTE=Supertigre]
Try to chat and flirt with all the women you meet, not just the young attractive ones, and after a while it will become easier.[/QUOTE]

If more guys took your words and put them to use...they would find that you can pick up women anywhere.

I am white, 41, Divorced, not too bad looking (no Don Jaun) and my friends do not know how I get so many women. My secret, "I make them laugh"!!! Anytime that I interact with a lady, looks do not matter, I always flirt and try to make them smile and in my 20 years of practicing, it has gotten so routine, that when I am on a date I have to watch myself.

If I am in a P4P bar, I still use my flirting skills to choose my girl, because I know that if she likes me (my attudite) we will have a good time.

Stay safe,
Robb

[QUOTE=Tidus]
Like many of you, I'm not that interested in local women (in my case Canadian) and would really prefer a foreign girl. I am Pakistani so I have the option of marrying a girl from back home (not sure if "option" is the right word, but that's another story).

When I look at sites that offer the possibility of meeting foreign ladies and/or romance tours (anyone have any experience with those?), that looks like something I'd really like to try. I'm particularly interested in Asian women, but would my ethnicity cause any problems in those cultures?

What do you guys think? Should I play it safe or should I take a risk that could have a higher payoff?[/QUOTE]

Isn't Pakistan in Asia? Aren't you Asian? I have seen people from India, Paksitan, Bangladesh, Tibet, referred to as Asian.

Still, I get what you mean. Personally I refer to those copuntries as West Asian, as in west of the Himilayas, and Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc. as East Asian.

I have used introduction agencies, as I wrote below. I have found, as have other men, that foreign ladies do not have any particular prejudices against any one race. They do have stroing preferences as to where they want to live. None of the Latina women I have ever met wanted to live in Asia. If you make it very clear that you live in the US or Europe and so will she, you won't have any extra difficulties.

I recommend that you use agencies at first. I do not know of any particular ones for Asian women, except China Love. However, I have not used it or any other Asian oriented agency.

Good Luck

Oh yes you're right I am Asian, but I should have probably specified East Asia. Although I wouldn't say I would rule out other areas at this point. Thanks for the reply.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]If more guys took your words and put them to use...they would find that you can pick up women anywhere.

I am white, 41, Divorced, not too bad looking (no Don Jaun) and my friends do not know how I get so many women. My secret, "I make them laugh"!!! Anytime that I interact with a lady, looks do not matter, I always flirt and try to make them smile and in my 20 years of practicing, it has gotten so routine, that when I am on a date I have to watch myself.

If I am in a P4P bar, I still use my flirting skills to choose my girl, because I know that if she likes me (my attudite) we will have a good time.

Stay safe,

Robb[/QUOTE]Hitting on a lot of chicks is good advice. in the u.s. where there are tons of upstanding guys, it's really just a number game. This is one reason black guys do well. The seem to handle rejection better then white guys.

However, hitting on a lot of women is exhausting, especially as only a few in tens work out (lead to intimacy). I find that it's hard to keep up morale in such a poor envirnoment. It's also a lot of work.

Also, there doesn't seem to be an "inbetween group" of women in the North East. They are either fat or dolled up.

I got a three month english stint in japan this summer before pharm school starts. I expect to hook up with maybe 7-8 quality women in that time. that's about twice as much in two years for your average American. WTF.

[QUOTE=Jesterl]Hitting on a lot of chicks is good advice. in the u.s. where there are tons of upstanding guys, it's really just a number game. This is one reason black guys do well. The seem to handle rejection better then white guys.
[/QUOTE]


Uhm...What? Is there something in the black gene besides the trait for more melanin that unables us to handle rejection well? No.
It's mainly because opposites attract, MAINLY. As a man who has no problems meeting women in the U.S, I can firmly tell you the white girls basically want something differant. Why do white guys do well with Asians? 'Cause they can handle rejection better?

[QUOTE=Jesterl]This is one reason black guys do well. The seem to handle rejection better then white guys.[/QUOTE]

Jesterl, you are getting to lose a lot of credibility with ridiculous generalizations like that. You will also gain many friends who are as ignorant as you are. But, on net, you will suffer a loss because the majority of the posters here are travelled and relatively well-rounded. They can see through nonsense.

[QUOTE=Jesterl]Hitting on a lot of chicks is good advice. in the u.s. where there are tons of upstanding guys, it's really just a number game. This is one reason black guys do well. The seem to handle rejection better then white guys.[/QUOTE]

I'm not really offended by this guys post and I'm a black male. I've observed black guys especially in clubs calmy walk up to lady and try to engage in conversation, if the lady is not cooperating, they quickly move on to the next lady without even batting an eyelash. I call these guys "players" and they come in all races, but I tend to see more black "players" than any other race.

[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I'm not really offended by this guys post and I'm a black male. I've observed black guys especially in clubs calmy walk up to lady and try to engage in conversation, if the lady is not cooperating, they quickly move on to the next lady without even batting an eyelash. I call these guys "players" and they come in all races, but I tend to see more black "players" than any other race.[/QUOTE]

I live in a college town with a very tiny black population, but the black guys from the next city over come to visit all the hot coeds.

A typical night is the white girls clustered in groups with all the white guys standing around getting drunk in the hopes they'll grow the balls to actually chat with the girls.

About midnight or so the black guys roll in and move throughout the club, smiling and saying hello and looking for interest. Before long they have found a white girl and are headed out the door with the girl while the white guys stand around and drink some more.

I think more than anything white guys are intimidated by women, where the black guys are more self-confident and more dominant in their interaction with women.

I've had one night stands where the girl said the thing that attracted her to me was my self-confidence, so I don't think it has to do anything with race, just attitude.

[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I'm not really offended by this guys post and I'm a black male. I've observed black guys especially in clubs calmy walk up to lady and try to engage in conversation, if the lady is not cooperating, they quickly move on to the next lady without even batting an eyelash. I call these guys "players" and they come in all races, but I tend to see more black "players" than any other race.[/QUOTE]

I call it "drag" and some women call it "tired". Some don't get the hint that the women in said area doesn't find them attractive enough to say Yes too after so many rejections.

I feel its best to seek maybe 1-2 targets and if you fail, then it wasn't to be your night. My tactics may be flawed after all, I sit here on a Saturday Night typing on this forum instead of trying to get some girls number.

But I'll tell you now, while my Christmas might not be overly exciting right now, its about to HEAT up. I just got word a German lady I have been speaking too off and on since earlier this year is coming to LA to visit some friends but wants to spend alot of time with me.

On top of that, my Norwegain love interest called me from her mother's house in Northern Norway (14 hours from her apt in Oslo on the slow train) and wishes I could be there. Hell I wish I could be THERE!

'07 is going to be the BOMB!

So where is the best place for LTR????

If your African-American, you simply can not do any better than the old country - Europe!

[QUOTE=Furiouz].I can firmly tell you the white girls basically want something differant. [/QUOTE]
I sure would like to know where you've been living. It seems like in the States 95% of white women that will consider a black man are fat and ugly. My first choice is Asian women, but if I could get a decent looking white woman in the United States, I might be inclined to stay there.[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I'm not really offended by this guys post and I'm a black male. I've observed black guys especially in clubs calmy walk up to lady and try to engage in conversation, if the lady is not cooperating, they quickly move on to the next lady without even batting an eyelash. I call these guys "players" and they come in all races, but I tend to see more black "players" than any other race.[/QUOTE]
You might be right about that. I have noticed that black men everywhere seem to think that way. (I'm a black American.) I even remember meeting African guys (in China) and they all have about the same line: "If she's not interested just move on to the next one." It makes me think: A lot of people/ academics (notably JP Rushton) have said that black men are not very smart-- but we don't seem to be any less succesful than anyone else at leaving behind copies of ourselves. So, if black men are more likely to just "keep on moving to the next one," I wonder if this trait has some type of genetic basis.

[QUOTE=Elberto]I live in a college town with a very tiny black population, but the black guys from the next city over come to visit all the hot coeds.

A typical night is the white girls clustered in groups with all the white guys standing around getting drunk in the hopes they'll grow the balls to actually chat with the girls.

About midnight or so the black guys roll in and move throughout the club, smiling and saying hello and looking for interest. Before long they have found a white girl and are headed out the door with the girl while the white guys stand around and drink some more.

I think more than anything white guys are intimidated by women, where the black guys are more self-confident and more dominant in their interaction with women.

I've had one night stands where the girl said the thing that attracted her to me was my self-confidence, so I don't think it has to do anything with race, just attitude.[/QUOTE]I read awhile back that 50% of the black males in the US between the age of 18 and 40 were in jail or on probation. It is that attitude that results in criminal behavior, trying to challenge the norms and rules of society.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I sure would like to know where you've been living. It seems like in the States 95% of white women that will consider a black man are fat and ugly. My first choice is Asian women, but if I could get a decent looking white woman in the United States, I might be inclined to stay there.[/QUOTE]

I'm a black male of Carrib decent living in the USA and have no problems meeting attractive mature white women. I've always said I will never date any woman wider than me, I'm about 6'2", weigh 186Ibs and quite fit.
The fat white ladies you speak of are very open and in your face about wanting a black guy. So a black guy seeing EASY pussy staring him in the face will jump at the chance. I personally just ignore them because I have no interest in fat women of any race period. Lately I've been introduced to the open life style where an attractive white wife wants to be banged by a couple of black guys.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]I sure would like to know where you've been living. It seems like in the States 95% of white women that will consider a black man are fat and ugly. [/QUOTE]

I agree. Whites, especially White women, seem to think that because a lot of Black guys are into big round butts that they are also into fat. So fat White women feel that a Black man won't reject them. However, a shapely behind is not equivalent to a big gut! The problem is that is too many Black guys are into EASY pussy and won't tell those White BBWs to go on a diet and get some exercise.

[QUOTE=Npaul1]I read awhile back that 50% of the black males in the US between the age of 18 and 40 were in jail or on probation. It is that attitude that results in criminal behavior, trying to challenge the norms and rules of society.[/QUOTE] Are you sure about that statistic? Or was it that 50% of those in jail or on probation were black men? (Don't even get me started about lies, damned lies, and statistics.) The prison population of the United States is fairly high (I think about 2 million+), but if every single prisoner were black then that would not be enough to account for 50% of black males between 18 and 40 in the USA-- at least not to a first approximation. (Assume that black people are 36 million in number and 18 million are males. Further assume that 1/4 of the black population is between 18 and 40-- a likely understatement of reality, but I'm not going to get too into numbers since this is a forum about VAGINA and not demography.) 1/4 of that number is 4.5 million and half of that is 2.25 million. So, even if every single prisoner were black and male, that is not enough to account for every prisoner. If the number of people on probation/ parole/ in prison is taken as 7 million, then if every single black male that age was in one of those three states, that would account for about 42% of 7 million. Doesn't quite add up.

[url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-12/10/content_754973.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Are you sure about that statistic? [/QUOTE]

Npaul's quote is incorrect.

The figure I heard in 2004 was that about 1/3 of Black males between 18 and 45 years of age were involved with the judicial system. That meant either in prison, on parole, or on probation. A more disturbing statistic is that there are more Black males between 18 and 24 years of age in jails than in 4-year colleges.

You are right though that we should focus on pussy. Still, we should stop misinformation whenever we encounter it.

[QUOTE=Npaul1]I read awhile back that 50% of the black males in the US between the age of 18 and 40 were in jail or on probation. It is that attitude that results in criminal behavior, trying to challenge the norms and rules of society.[/QUOTE]

The Black brings up self-confidence and the White guy tries to knock him down by bringing up probation stats..You guys never fail to disappoint me with your BS..Unreal!

[QUOTE=MrCuddles]The Black brings up self-confidence and the White guy tries to knock him down by bringing up probation stats..You guys never fail to disappoint me with your BS..Unreal![/QUOTE]

That is the nature of the US. It is a big part of why I enjoy mongering out side the US so much. AWs bring some racial baggage with them. But non-AWs (pro or non-pro) in their own countries provide WAY better baggage-free sex than is available is the US.

[QUOTE=MrCuddles]The Black brings up self-confidence and the White guy tries to knock him down by bringing up probation stats..You guys never fail to disappoint me with your BS..Unreal![/QUOTE]

I'm a white guy, but one of my black friends told me "You're a brother on the inside."

I took it as a compliment.

[QUOTE=George90]I agree. Whites, especially White women, seem to think that because a lot of Black guys are into big round butts that they are also into fat. So fat White women feel that a Black man won't reject them. However, a shapely behind is not equivalent to a big gut! The problem is that is too many Black guys are into EASY pussy and won't tell those White BBWs to go on a diet and get some exercise.[/QUOTE]

We're starting to generalize a bit. It doesn't bother me, but maybe some should look at what they are saying before they post. I know this is "real talk" and real talk can be frank, so its all good, just be respectful...

I have dated and banged my share of overweight women, I can't lie.

Its not what I'm into, but you come to a point in your social life where you feel your choices are limited to your right hand or bangin some fat chick.

For the better part of the last 3 years, I have cut-off fat women. Save for the Hungerian hottie (and she is), I haven't dated or been with another woman heavier than me (195lbs) or even close to my weight for that matter. Its the choice I have made. Why should I continue to date below what I desire most? Its not fair to me and its not fair to her.

What I see in Interracial Relationships is the same thing I see in same race/culture relationships. Some dudes like fat women, ugly women, ugly and fat women and others don't. I see some shockingly attractive women with black men all the time. Maybe its the nasty and fat ones that shock you most, like a train wreck. You just notice them more.

My cousin is married to one of the most attractive white women I've seen in my life, she's from GB. They have 6 kids, I think that sez is all right there.

We have some dashing young men in my family but the all seem to struggle with dating and it really doesn't matter what race the women in question is. Its the fact they are mainly jiving with American women and that alone is the reason why some of them are still single.

I maintain what I said, if you seeking LTR you really need to find a woman that's above all the nonsense that surrounds us. Its just easier in Europe where they are more interested in the "Gilmore Girls" than "Oprah".

[QUOTE=Elberto]I'm a white guy, but one of my black friends told me "You're a brother on the inside."

I took it as a compliment.[/QUOTE]

I'll give you a "dap" for that.

Stay strong in '07

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] I have dated and banged my share of overweight women, I can't lie.[/QUOTE]The bigger the berry the sweeter the juice! O wait. It's the blacker the berry the sweeter the juice. But if you want more juice get a bigger berry. Come to think of it, I haven't banged too many big girls who needed to lube up; either hole. Pro or non-pro.

[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I'm a black male of Carrib decent living in the USA and have no problems meeting attractive mature white women. I've always said I will never date any woman wider than me, I'm about 6'2", weigh 186Ibs and quite fit.
The fat white ladies you speak of are very open and in your face about wanting a black guy. So a black guy seeing free pussy staring him in the face will jump at the chance. I personally just ignore them because I have no interest in fat women of any race period. Lately I've been introduced to the open life style where an attractive white wife wants to be banged by a couple of black guys.[/QUOTE]

Wrong answer!
Any guy, seeing free pussy staring him in the face will jump at the chance! Not just black males!

[QUOTE=Ben2]Any guy, seeing free pussy staring him in the face will jump at the chance! Not just black males![/QUOTE]

First of all, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS [B]FREE[/B] PUSSY!!! We have debated that point before.

BBWs may be EASY pussy, but they are not FREE pussy. The cost comes in when you try to bang a different lady and they are hanging on, getting in your business, introducing you are their boyfriend or even fiance, etc. The yo have to pay like the dickens to get rid of them. Not to mention that once it is out that you are banging BBWs, all the rest of them will come your way and crowd out the fine, slim ladies. LOL

Second of all, I think *some* Black guys are kind of lazy when it comes to getting pussy. They jump on easy pussy. They walk away from pussy that makes them work. Like the guy said below "If she is not interested, I just move on to the next one."

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I have dated and banged my share of overweight women, I can't lie.

Its not what I'm into, but you come to a point in your social life where you feel your choices are limited to your right hand or bangin some fat chick.
[/QUOTE]

I feel for you. I went through some mean dry spells in my younger days when money/survival was a higher priority. But the BBWs that were available to me were just not worth it. I knew guys who did what you did and swore that fat chicks were great in bed. When money was no longer so tight, amongerin' I went to make up for lost time.

[QUOTE=George90]First of all, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS [B]FREE[/B] PUSSY!!! We have debated that point before.

BBWs may be EASY pussy, but they are not FREE pussy. The cost comes in when you try to bang a different lady and they are hanging on, getting in your business, introducing you are their boyfriend or even fiance, etc. The yo have to pay like the dickens to get rid of them. Not to mention that once it is out that you are banging BBWs, all the rest of them will come your way and crowd out the fine, slim ladies. LOL

Second of all, I think *some* Black guys are kind of lazy when it comes to getting pussy. They jump on easy pussy. They walk away from pussy that makes them work. Like the guy said below "If she is not interested, I just move on to the next one."[/QUOTE]

Very true!!!!!!

dude,

gettin pussy doesn't take money, looks, nor being of a certain race. it does, however, require confidence and a bit of know-how.

you know, i was in a similar situation as you. i thought that there was something wrong with me due to the racist crap here in america... until i started travelling in other countries. the girls overseas have much less racist bullshit.

by the way, you know what's the best way to get back at these racist @ssholes? f*ck 'em. that's right, f*ck 'em. use them up and spit them out!

get ross jeffries's speed seduction. he'll give you all the know-how and tricks you'll need to seduce all sorts of women! i monger now because it takes too much time to seduce them (i know, it says "speed seduction", but it really does take a lot of time to do, at least the hot ones). however, when i was younger, i used to use ross jeffries's speed seduction and you might be surprised to find that it works!

he has hundreds of tricks to get hot chicks into bed. here's just one of them that i used and it worked:

i used to live in l.a. all the hottest waitresses in the classy restaurants in l.a. are actress wannabes. they are constantly having guys hit on them claiming to be movie producers. they're on to the scam. so, this is what i did. i placed an ad on yahoo stating that i was a producer looking for an actress in a big hollywood movie. i got a whole bunch of glossy photos and resumes in the mail. i took these into a restaurant and innocently looked through them. inevitably, a hot waitress will come to my table and ask, "what're you doing?" (the fish are nibbling). i'll say, "my sister wanted me to choose an actress for her for this movie...." this will ease her suspicion since you are not pretending to be a producer, plus it will explain why you drive an el cheapo car because you are not the big-time producer, but your sister is. man, i have banged so many hot waitresses in l.a. it's not even funny. these are the same women who would normally cruelly tell me to "buzz off" and insult me. bang 'em. it is the best revenge.

speed seduction will turn you into a shark in a guppy tank. you don't need looks nor money, but you will outsmart others to get what you want. you will become a predator hunting human prey. it is 1000 times more exciting than shooting some dumb animal because you are now hunting humans!!! just be warned that you will start to be successful in other areas of your life, too. that's because once you start banging supermodels every day because you outsmarted them, you will feel superhuman. you will feel like you own all the money in the world since other people are just temporarily holding it in their wallet for you. it will leave you seriously mind-warped because you'll feel that you are somehow better than everybody else... they are just sheep. their only purpose in life is to die so you can eat them. everybody else are sub-human. laws and rules only apply to them, not you. i have a friend who became a sociopath because of ross jeffries.

i banged professional runway models, actresses, heiresses, porn stars, you name it, i've banged them. just don't do the idiotic thing that i did... marry one of them and end up being their personal slave!

here is the url for speed seduction:
[url]http://www.seduction.com/[/url]

oh, by the way, here's another one of his tricks:
if a girl objects to something you say, don't argue with her, but agree with her in a way that makes her agree with you. for example, you are taking off the waitress's clothes at your place. she puts up resistance and says, "it's too soon. we can't do this. i just met you."

most guys would argue with them. this is wrong. come-on, arguing is a turn-off. how could she be turned on to having sex if you turn her off?!

so, instead of arguing, you agree with her, "you know, you're right. it is too soon for you to be feeling your heart beating faster and faster... feel your breathing getting harder and harder.... until you are so excited that you suddenly can't control yourself! it is too soon to suddenly... find yourself suddenly getting really excited while i undo your bra.... (heh heh heh....).

i am old and lazy now, so i monger. i shoot fish in a barrel. i have money, so i can afford to do this. if you lack money, just do what i did as a younger man: use ross jeffries's speed seduction and go safari hunting cuz you might be surprised to find that it works!!!

[quote=el socio06]well, guys.

after reading through all the posts here, i think i can say that i have it the worst when it comes to ltr, without a doubt. you see, i'm not a black man, a white man nor an asian man. i am a us-born latin from new york. you have no idea how limited my options are in terms of ltr:

1) i fit the profile of us-born latins having lower income. i do have a high school diploma and an associate degree but finished short of the 4-yr degree. too much drama that i won't get into here. so no going over the world mongering for me.

2) my parents are usually the conservative type from the "homeland", which means that some of their fucked-up social and cultural values rubbed off on me. i have problems trying to loosen up when it came to meeting people of the opposite sex. the clubbing scene is a big turn-off for me. even the social clubs around the city i have trouble getting traction in because the girls are already there with their boyfriends/fuck buddies/whatever or a bunch of girls are together and have this bad attitude. a lot of us-based latins have the worst attributes from both their old culture and the us culture combined. that is not to mention the stupid reggaeton/hip-hop crap that's the rage today. it's absolutely sickening!

3) going outside the ethnic group/social group is a big problem because:

a) latins in the us have this big stigma attached to them. either they're looked at as criminals, illegal aliens or the machista-sexist type. i'm neither a criminal nor an illegal alien. and i'm pretty soft for a big guy. shy even.

b) again, latins have this cultural pride thing and, as a result, i have problems trying to break through this barrier. it's stupid but that's what i have to live with.

4) going back to the "homeland" to look for women is another big problem:

a) most women there think that people coming over from the us already have money or should have money by now. i'm about as close to broke as possible. so i can't even afford to lie to a woman promising to take care of her because i already have enough drama paying the bills and i can't afford to tack on a woman who turns out to be a manipulating (rhymes with "witch").

b) on that point, you have to realize that latin women in many countries treat men of the same ethnic group like crap. either they feel that they have to get back at all the other men because of the way many men mistreat them or they have this superiority complex that hides their self-doubt.

c) like i said before, i am neither black, white nor asian. so i can't even fake an "exotic" look.

so i get no luck with women in the same ethnic and with women from other ethnic groups.

the real reason why i read this forum is to live through others' reports the fantasy of being that man who is desired, of that confident and well-off man who is adventerous and self-assured. in reality, i am just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. i feel that i can't even look at a woman because i'm afraid she'll report me for harrassment. maybe i need psychological counseling.

at this point, i can certainly use some tips from the experts at this little panel here. i think ltr is the only way i will ever have a decent sexual relationship because i certainly don't have the goods for str nor a bang-bang.[/quote]

Hey El Socio06 go to the following website [url]http://www.laddertheory.com/[/url]
It does a very good job of explaining the mindset of American women.

[QUOTE=El Socio06]Well, guys.

After reading through all the posts here, I think I can say that I have it the worst when it comes to LTR, without a doubt. You see, I'm not a black man, a white man nor an asian man. I am a US-born Latin from New York. You have no idea how LIMITED my options are in terms of LTR:

1) I fit the profile of US-born Latins having lower income. I do have a high school diploma and an associate degree but finished short of the 4-yr degree. Too much drama that I won't get into here. So no going over the world mongering for me.

2) My parents are usually the conservative type from the "homeland", which means that some of their fucked-up social and cultural values rubbed off on me. I have problems trying to loosen up when it came to meeting people of the opposite sex. The clubbing scene is a big turn-off for me. Even the social clubs around the city I have trouble getting traction in because the girls are already there with their boyfriends/fuck buddies/whatever or a bunch of girls are together and have this bad attitude. A lot of US-based Latins have the worst attributes from both their old culture and the US culture COMBINED. That is not to mention the stupid reggaeton/hip-hop crap that's the rage today. It's absolutely sickening!

3) Going outside the ethnic group/social group is a BIG problem because:

a) Latins in the US have this big stigma attached to them. Either they're looked at as criminals, illegal aliens or the machista-sexist type. I'm neither a criminal nor an illegal alien. And I'm pretty soft for a big guy. Shy even.

b) Again, Latins have this cultural pride thing and, as a result, I have problems trying to break through this barrier. It's stupid but that's what I have to live with.

4) Going back to the "homeland" to look for women is another BIG problem:

a) Most women there think that people coming over from the US already have money or SHOULD have money by now. I'm about as close to broke as possible. So I can't even afford to lie to a woman promising to take care of her because I already have enough drama paying the bills and I can't afford to tack on a woman who turns out to be a manipulating (rhymes with "witch").

b) On that point, you have to realize that Latin women in many countries treat men of the same ethnic group like CRAP. Either they feel that they have to get back at all the other men because of the way many men mistreat them or they have this superiority complex that hides their self-doubt.

c) Like I said before, I am neither black, white nor asian. So I can't even fake an "exotic" look.

So I get no luck with women in the same ethnic AND with women from other ethnic groups.

The real reason why I read this forum is to live through others' reports the fantasy of being that man who is desired, of that confident and well-off man who is adventerous and self-assured. In reality, I am just another nobody in a sea of nobodies. I feel that I can't even look at a woman because I'm afraid she'll report me for harrassment. Maybe I need psychological counseling.

At this point, I can certainly use some tips from the experts at this little panel here. I think LTR is the only way I will ever have a decent sexual relationship because I certainly don't have the goods for STR nor a bang-bang.[/QUOTE]

astor bryan,

dude, you are just repeating what el socio06 was saying, that he is not rich enough nor good-looking enough to do hot chicks. that is just bs, man!

i am one fat f*ck and i've banged hundreds of hot chicks, one after the other as girlfriends (not p4p) using the ross jeffries system.

you are just using psychobable to say, "she is out of your league." bs.

this is a quote from the "ladder theory":

[quote=astor bryan]
have you ever seen a guy that was not particularly attractive, rich or muscled yet was with a lovely woman? for most guys the most common reaction is envy, something like "hey i'm not all that muscled, attractive or rich either. why can't i be fucking a girl like that?" when their relationship ends, he will probably never be able to get another woman as good as the one he is with right now -- the rest of his life he'll likely be striving in vain. [/quote]

as with anything else in life, if you think you cannot do it, then surprise! you can't do it, but if you can dream it then you can do it. instead of using your brain to think up psychobable theories, go out and outsmart some p*ssy! have you ever let a salesman talk you into buying something, then later said to yourself, "what the hell did i just do?!" you might be surprised to find that you can outsmart girls to get them saying the same thing as you boot them out of your car after a night of hot sex. you might be surprised to find that the ladder theory is just that a theory. it is not ladder fact.

i have f*cked hundreds of hot chicks using ross jeffries system. that is a fact. i invite you to just do it. ross jeffries gives you a money back guarantee. what can you lose? (except your virginity)!

peace and happy new year, guys! i am not criticizing you astor. i just want to look out for my fellow man (you included). it is not right for a man to work hard for money only to let the bitches milk us dry (ladder theory). we should be able to keep our money and f*ck their @sses dry! if we were in a bar, i'd buy el socio06 and astor bryan a round of beers, pick up the waitress bringing us the drinks, and leave....

p.s. i counter the "ladder theory" with the theory of evolution. if looks were most important to women, men would be wearing makeup and colorful clothes, not women. or men would evolve to be like peacocks, with our looks being the distinguishing factor that puts us apart from other animals. however, the fact is that man's distinguishing factor that has evolved over eons is his brain. that's why statistically, men have slightly bigger brains than women. that's why humans have the biggest brainpower of all the animals. you could either use your brains to make money (ladder theory), then use the money to get girls. that would be an indirect use of your brain to get girls. or you could use your brain directly to get women into bed. if you don't have the time or inclination to think up of tricks to get hot chicks, then just borrow ross jeffries's tricks and use speed seduction. he's already thought it through for you.... put the theory of evolution to work for you. get hundreds of hot chicks pregnant and run like hell from any paternity tests!!!

[QUOTE=George90]I feel for you. I went through some mean dry spells in my younger days when money/survival was a higher priority. But the BBWs that were available to me were just not worth it. I knew guys who did what you did and swore that fat chicks were great in bed. When money was no longer so tight, amongerin' I went to make up for lost time.[/QUOTE]

I won't say they were better or worst. It was about the same. The visuals are messed up!

I have made sure that while you could say they were fat, you couldn't say they were ugly... From the neck or chest up, some of the girls I have been with can give some skinny girls a run for their money if you just went off facial quality.

Money has never been an issue. Its a combination of things...

One of my german contacts is now in town. She was calling me from a payphone at LAX.... I was up in Stockton

We'll connect this weekend I hope.

[QUOTE=George90]First of all, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS [B]FREE[/B] PUSSY!!! We have debated that point before.

BBWs may be EASY pussy, but they are not FREE pussy. The cost comes in when you try to bang a different lady and they are hanging on, getting in your business, introducing you are their boyfriend or even fiance, etc. The yo have to pay like the dickens to get rid of them. Not to mention that once it is out that you are banging BBWs, all the rest of them will come your way and [b]crowd out the fine, slim ladies[/b]. LOL

Second of all, I think *some* Black guys are kind of lazy when it comes to getting pussy. They jump on easy pussy. They walk away from pussy that makes them work. Like the guy said below "If she is not interested, I just move on to the next one."[/QUOTE]

Kinda like an solar eclipse???? LOL

Hey guys,

I have just started reading into this forum area and I have questions to ask. Way back in the beginning of this forum there was talk of Black men dating women in Brazil. I have been looking to travel to Brazil for a while now. I mainly want to visit Rio since it appears they have some of the most beautiful women in the world their. Also I am an ass man. LOL. I am hoping to get enough money together to travel there next month. Maybe I can get a student visa and stay for a year or something. Its seems that its always best to stay there as your pussy rating goes higher.

Now at the beginning of the forum I noticed that darkseid and lithium were talking about which women black men had most sucess with. Apparently the lower class women are the most open to dating black men. naturally upper class women are going to be hardest. They are the hardest in any society regardless of race. what about middle class women? And lighter skinned chicks? How good will my portguese have to be to get some action?

I really want to know this from a black mans point of view as well.

[QUOTE=Enigma84]Hey guys,

I have just started reading into this forum area and I have questions to ask. Way back in the beginning of this forum there was talk of Black men dating women in Brazil. I have been looking to travel to Brazil for a while now. I mainly want to visit Rio since it appears they have some of the most beautiful women in the world their. Also I am an ass man. LOL. I am hoping to get enough money together to travel there next month. Maybe I can get a student visa and stay for a year or something. Its seems that its always best to stay there as your pussy rating goes higher.

I really want to know this from a black mans point of view as well.[/QUOTE]

You should check out the Brazil thread to get most of your answers.

I have dated a Brazilian woman. If you are interested in dating Brazilian women, as oposed to just having sex with them using pros, then I suggest you also check out somne of the introduction agencies that have brazilian women. A big one is Latin Euro. Others are Brazil Romance, My Latin Flame, Latin Social Network, Brazil Girls, Brazil Exterior. You could then get a head start on getting to know some non-pros to date when you get there.

[QUOTE=Enigma84]Hey guys,

Now at the beginning of the forum I noticed that darkseid and lithium were talking about which women black men had most sucess with. Apparently the lower class women are the most open to dating black men. naturally upper class women are going to be hardest. They are the hardest in any society regardless of race. what about middle class women? And lighter skinned chicks? How good will my portguese have to be to get some action?

I really want to know this from a black mans point of view as well.[/QUOTE]

You have to remember that the classes in Brazil are like a pyramid, not a diamond like in the US. Most people are lower class, therefore most of the women you will meet will be lower class. The middle class is there but not super large, so some of the women you will meet will be middle class. Theupper class is elite. Unless you are also upper class you will not be meeting any of those women.

Skin color is not a big issue to anyone except the upper class. You will not have a problem meeting White women if they are into Black men.

With non-pros, you need to be able to speak decent Portuguese. With pros, you don't.

[QUOTE=George90]You have to remember that the classes in Brazil are like a pyramid, not a diamond like in the US. Most people are lower class, therefore most of the women you will meet will be lower class. The middle class is there but not super large, so some of the women you will meet will be middle class. Theupper class is elite. Unless you are also upper class you will not be meeting any of those women.

Skin color is not a big issue to anyone except the upper class. You will not have a problem meeting White women if they are into Black men.

With non-pros, you need to be able to speak decent Portuguese. With pros, you don't.[/QUOTE]

Which is why I switched my focus from Brazil to Western Europe. If your an ass man, you can do no wrong in Brazil, but be warned that in my research more often than not, depending what your into, you'll have more sucess with darker women as most of the Brasilans that make up the "elite" class that George speaks of have very European features (think Xuxa) and seek European Men (if not their own men) not Brothas from America. Im sure you have some that have been influenced by Black Urban Culture (good or bad) and may be seeking a young brotha to chill with, especially if your American.

YMMV but nothing ventured... And yes pick up a copy of [url]http://www.rosettastone.com/en/offer/overture[/url] software and learn Poruguese, your mackin skillz will increase 10 fold just knowning how to talk to them in Poruguese.

Please could anyone help me find a good hotel that has a girl friendly policy. I have stayed in the sheraton before but it s a bit expensive and im not sure if they still let girls in. Does anyone Know. I was gonna get an apartment but but my friend wants a gym and pool e.t.c.

Regards

[QUOTE=Artisttyp] It's nothing to be proud of. It's a breeding ground for every idiot without any self identity and it's ruining any progress the black community has made over these past years.
I loved public enemy,the crash crew,big daddy kane,Eric B and Rakim,poor righteous teachers,brand nubians,de la soul,EPMD etc.
The whispers,heatwave,process and the doo rags,the delphonics,sam cook ,the tramps earth wind jimi hendrix these are people to be proud of.
Again I'm glad black people are getting theres .[/QUOTE]



i like pretty much every group you mentioned, but come on, you don't like any of the new rap/r&b stuff *at all*? kanye, snoop, pharell, kelis, beyonce, ludacris, lupe... 50 can rhyme and tell a story, i don't know why everyone pans him so much. and all the artists i just listed are doing cool stuff, and of course thats just the tip of the iceburg...

sure you're not just getting old and cranky? "ehh, music isn't good any more, it was much better back in my day <cough/sputter>" ;)



anyway, really we should be talking about ltr's in different countries, right?

i live in indonesia, and have been consitantly dissapointed by indonesian women. they're *almost* as bad as americans! the only thing i can say for them is that they dont mind you cheating on them, too much. cause they're definitely cheating on you. i'm not really bitter (it works out to us white expats advantage, as long as you dont put the house in her name), i can see it's just part of the culture, i think it's a south pacific islander thing.

i've been thinking about spending a few months in burma/myanmar to find a nice ltr - the women are very beautiful, and very conservative. anyone out there ever dated someone from burma?

[QUOTE=DJ Monger]i've been thinking about spending a few months in burma/myanmar to find a nice ltr - the women are very beautiful, and very conservative. anyone out there ever dated someone from burma?[/QUOTE]

I haven't. But I have been conscious over the past 20 years and so I am aware of the HUGE social, economic, and political problems that plague Myanmar. The military regime there is hostile to the US because we get on its case about human rights violations and drug trafficking. Myanmar is a major transhipment point for heroin.

I think travelling there is very foolish. I don't believe that as a foreigner you will be well received by ordinary local women. The government terrorizes its population. They will be too afraid to open up to a foreigner. I think it is more likely that you will be befriended by women who are spies for the government.

Going to Myanmar will be like going threough the looking glass.

Okay,

I've made it thru the 25 pages of notes, trying to determine my next travel destination, and (ignoring all the "black" "old" "poor" stuff. Maybe there should be a permutation of black/poor vs whte/old etc) I'm really interested in the question of where does one stand the best chance of finding LTR with the least BShit!

I've done the Philippines/Indon think in the 90s and I came away with the feeling that the cultural rift was too great. I was about to start the Latin America route, as I am the "adoptive gringo uncle" of a DR family, love Latin music (listen to little else) and could pick up Spanish with little diffiuclty.

BUT

I ancestory is Eastern European and a friend recently married a Ukranian woman. The key to his choice after years of travel was the ability to talk about Western Culture, politics, history, art with someone with his same background. I poo-poo'd the idea. Until his wife asked if her 18 year old daughter could stay with me on way home from a summer camp job. She was a bit stuck up. But her 18 year old friend was a total charmer. As a 48 year old fart, I felt like a High School kid trying to win over a Prom date.

Oh it was wonderful foolishness.

But it got me thinking about the ease with which I could talk with these girls about stuff. Not evident in any of the Dominicans that I have met thru my faux family connection?

So am in a bit of quandry about which fork in the road to take.

Suave Gato had some great insight about Latin American women.

Doc Skannk had any even greater read on Russian/Ukranian women (that, having worked with them here in the US, struck me as dead on correct.)

As charming as my meeting was with a soulful Natasha.

I'm thinking she was an exception (especially as she gets older) and that most Eastern European women think like clocks.

That Latin Women, LTR, are a more "familia" way to go.

But open to other ideas!

Thanx

G

[QUOTE=George90]I haven't. But I have been conscious over the past 20 years and so I am aware of the HUGE social, economic, and political problems that plague Myanmar. The military regime there is hostile to the US because we get on its case about human rights violations and drug trafficking. Myanmar is a major transhipment point for heroin.

I think travelling there is very foolish. I don't believe that as a foreigner you will be well received by ordinary local women. The government terrorizes its population. They will be too afraid to open up to a foreigner. I think it is more likely that you will be befriended by women who are spies for the government.

Going to Myanmar will be like going threough the looking glass.[/QUOTE]


i travelled there before, even mongered, and met some nice women who seemed very interested in me. spies? maybe i guess, but it seems a bit far fetched to be honest. i din't find the country to be inhospitable at all, though it was a pain to check my email.

anyone out there have any practical experience with LTR's the women of myanmar?

[QUOTE=Geo Daddy]
Oh it was wonderful foolishness.

But it got me thinking about the ease with which I could talk with these girls about stuff. Not evident in any of the Dominicans that I have met thru my faux family connection?
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Then you have answered your own question. You related to these girls on an intellectual level. Which lasts much longer than the somewhat physical relationships we have with so called "3rd world women".

I would like to have a LTR with a woman from Phils, Thai, S.America.
But I know It won't last because most have not been through what I"VE been through, and could never satisfy my need for meaningful, stimulating conversation and exchange of life experiances. I probably wont meet any professional women of that ilk and what's left can only satisfy my balls....

Capito??

Damn you put me off my game.

How 'bout this - I've had "smart" girlfriend and I've had "sweet" girlfriends (i.e. smart girls that don't have an affectionate bone in their body or sweet girls that dumb as a door stop.) Honestly, I preferred the "sweet" ones. I can always have lunch with a smart girl, or guy, or friend of indeterminate sex... but "sweet" girls are much rarer.

Of course the worst - the girls who thinks she's smart - ugh!

Besides, I'm sure it's about being smart so much as it is a common base of reference i.e. Western Pop culture vs Latin Pop Culture. And, quite frankly, I would be as annoyed with a girl who doesn't listen to Latin music (since I do) as I would be with a girl who doesn't know who Barak Obama is.

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btw. Having traveled and tried to find the semi-perfect mate (I. E. A couple of notches up the "looks" scale from me. And otherwise compatible.) I have to say that the #1 mis-perception that guys have (that I had) was that they are "saving" women from a tuff Life, giving them a future and some finacial security. And there should be some level of appreciation (if not gratitude.)

And. Practically speaking. This is correct. From a "practical" guy's way of looking at things. It is how we measure our own worth and level of success.

BUT!

I have found that an. Attractive. Woman does not use this standard of measurement. Oh sure, on some level she is aware that there are financial realities in Life. But, think of it this way, She has been hit on by a hundred guys. A THOUSAND guys that she considered "below" her worth on the more important "looks" scale. I have found that pretty girls have a whole different way of measuring things like self worth and success. She may be dirt poor, but. If she has a pretty face. Average looking guys fall over themselves to interest her.

Sad to say, but I have found that most "pretty" women think that they are the ones doing "you" (me) the favor.

That, there but for her generosity of spirit, she chooses to accept a guy who she has brushed off with a snort a hundred thousand times.

And, as a guy, Long Term, you gotta get a vety good idea about how she thinks about this. Or "long" term will be just enuff to trade once the basic needs are taken care.

Never was I more convinced of my theory as when my friend married an okay (but not "beautiful") woman who had a daughter. I am sure that he feels he is being generous (and in financial terms he IS! ) but she doesn't see it that way and both she and her daughter operate under some perception that "he" should be grateful that she agreed to accept him picking up the bills. Because she must have blown off hundreds of guys like him who weren't able to cough up the bucks.

Sometimes I feel that guys feel a sense of control. But you really have to look at this from the woman's point of view.

And I should know, my father "rescued" my mother as a Hungarian refugee in 1956. They even knew each other as kids and he could never measure up to the "hot" guys she was dating (that all ended up killed in the war or in a Soviet Concentration Camp) and, I have to say, at no point did my mother EVER feel any gratitude for being "saved" from refugee status.

To her mind, as an attractive woman, had it not been my dad, it could just as well have been some other guy (perhaps maybe more attractive? )

Just something to keep in mind.

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[QUOTE=Geo Daddy]I have found that an. Attractive. Woman does not use this standard of measurement. Oh sure, on some level she is aware that there are financial realities in Life. But, think of it this way, She has been hit on by a hundred guys. A THOUSAND guys that she considered "below" her worth on the more important "looks" scale. I have found that pretty girls have a whole different way of measuring things like self worth and success. She may be dirt poor, but. If she has a pretty face. Average looking guys fall over themselves to interest her.

Sad to say, but I have found that most "pretty" women think that they are the ones doing "you" (me) the favor.

That, there but for her generosity of spirit, she chooses to accept a guy who she has brushed off with a snort a hundred thousand times.

And, as a guy, Long Term, you gotta get a vety good idea about how she thinks about this. Or "long" term will be just enuff to trade once the basic needs are taken care.

Never was I more convinced of my theory as when my friend married an okay (but not "beautiful") woman who had a daughter. I am sure that he feels he is being generous (and in financial terms he IS! ) but she doesn't see it that way and both she and her daughter operate under some perception that "he" should be grateful that she agreed to accept him picking up the bills. Because she must have blown off hundreds of guys like him who weren't able to cough up the bucks.

Sometimes I feel that guys feel a sense of control. But you really have to look at this from the woman's point of view.

And I should know, my father "rescued" my mother as a Hungarian refugee in 1956. They even knew each other as kids and he could never measure up to the "hot" guys she was dating (that all ended up killed in the war or in a Soviet Concentration Camp) and, I have to say, at no point did my mother EVER feel any gratitude for being "saved" from refugee status.

To her mind, as an attractive woman, had it not been my dad, it could just as well have been some other guy (perhaps maybe more attractive? )

Just something to keep in mind.

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This is an excellent post! Thanks, Geo! I agree with your analysis 100%.

The next question is:

At what point on the looks scale does a woman start to feel gratitude and appreciation for the what the man in her relationship is providing her?

To women, men are like buses. Men are cheap (in terms of what it costs a woman to obtain one) and they come along every five minutes.

But I think there is a Bell curve here. The super hotties and super uglies may have some problems. But the women under the curve have no problems getting men.

"At what point on the looks scale does a woman start to feel gratitude and appreciation for the what the man in her relationship is providing her? "

Very difficult.

Definitely (as we all know) women who grow up in affluent countries like the US or Europe. Regardless their race or ethnity) are as spoiled as. Well, to be completely hoenst, we men are.

Being in my late forties, I am shocked how women. My age and older. And with my relatively modest "look" (I'll say "4s". But I have a VERY STRICT scale I. E. Of all the people you see today, a statistical scale of 80% to 90% are just 4, 5, 6s. 1 in 50 is a "7" or "3") nevertheless, these mature women who have nothing to offer on the eye candy scale. Still think they are God's Gift to Man-kind. 'cause Oprea tells them they are and Demi Moore can get hot stuff.

Little concern to us, huh?

No, having traveled a bit, several trips to Indonesia, the Philippines, once for an eight month sojourn, I think I have a handle on this (though I am open to more analysis and study on my next sabbatical! )

I take the statistical std deviation (no pun intended) method I. E. If you (or I) am a "4" two std devs take me to a "6". Much beyond that and I am pushing it beyond all Darwinian expectations. How to get those numbers? Post your pic and hers on Am I Hot or Not.com and see what the general population of poetasters think. I think that is the only "scientific" test you can make to get some idea if you are in still playing in some ballpark.

In my own experience, when I met with a Filipina or Indonesian girl who rated a "6" I felt she was aware that she was not a "7" (mostly because other girls who are "7" or higher make her feel that bit of umbarage when she walks into a dress store.) but the minute I tried to work on a "7" she. Though she was as poor as dirt. Left the distinct impression (by actions not words) that she was doing me some fucking favor by indulging her a trip to buy a nice dress so that she would have something nice to wear that evening. And the dress store "7s" showed her a deference that they would not show a "6". Also good tip! Women dress for each other. Taking her to buy a dress in a store with other pretty girls is not that waste of time and money that it may first seem!

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[QUOTE=Tyhigs77]To women, men are like buses. Men are cheap (in terms of what it costs a woman to obtain one) and they come along every five minutes.

But I think there is a Bell curve here. The super hotties and super uglies may have some problems. But the women under the curve have no problems getting men.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement as well. Women have far fewer problems attracting men than men do attracting women. But in the US, lots of women are single, marrying later in life, or divorcing more. Do they do this because of the ease they have in finding a new man? Or are they only interested in a small number of men and prefer to be alone if the can't get their ideal man?

Why don't women in Europe behave like this? I can understand that women in developing countries behaving differently than US women due to greater poverty. But European women aren't poor, yet by all reports, French, German, Dutch, Scandanavian women are more into men than are US women.

[quote=george90]i agree with this statement as well. women have far fewer problems attracting men than men do attracting women. but in the us, lots of women are single, marrying later in life, or divorcing more. do they do this because of the ease they have in finding a new man? or are they only interested in a small number of men and prefer to be alone if the can't get their ideal man?

why don't women in europe behave like this? i can understand that women in developing countries behaving differently than us women due to greater poverty. but european women aren't poor, yet by all reports, french, german, dutch, scandanavian women are more into men than are us women.[/quote]
i believe it's to do with our culture. hyper-capitalism. a lifetime of tv ads-- all stoking fear and desire-- make usa women want to be wrapped in a bmw, not wrapped in your arms.

surrounded by too much wealth and fear, with messages like: "perfect mom and businesswoman, perfect husband, perfect kids, perfect house, martha stuart, etc.," "fat woman, douch that stinky snatch, armpits, breath mints, or you'll never marry," "have it all," "you'll never be safe, black people, terrorist and immigrants want to kill and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you." is it any wonder our women are insane?

they all think they are supposed to marry a movie star and live lifestyles of the rich and famous.

thats why the women in the wealthy cities are the worst in the usa - because they are surrounded, and therefore covet, the greatest wealth the planet has ever seen.

until we all join and demand a say in our culture and media, we don't stand a chance of having normal women in this country.

it requires getting involved with your community, society and government. it requires demanding more from ourselves and our country.
it requires calling your congresspeople and senators monthly or even weekly. but i'll bet 99% of you have never called you representatives, or the fcc or taken any other action other than write on this message board.

yes, to all of the 'below', digital, but i'd like to add that there is something distinctly different about the anglo world. the english-speaking woman is the most screwed up and neurotic of all women.

in particular usa women are the worst of the worst because this is the first place feminism was fully implemented and where it has the greatest support of the government. the usa has a major headstart compared to other countries when it comes to the saturation of the media through cable/satellite television, number of movies, etc. and the parents here have little control over what academia actually indotrinated their children with at school.

american women have the most rights of all women in the world (except possibly sweden), but they are the most miserable because they have been programmed to hate men (men are responsible for all the wars, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url], and holding women back since the beginning of time), but they still want to have relationships with men, but they only want the best of the best. and all women think they are equally entitled to the best men, regardless of their own position or status on the attractivenes heirarchy.

so there are a whole bunch of female 5s who think they are entitled to male tens simply because a few male 10s actually had sex with them a few times a long, long time ago. so these women will have flings with men who are somewhere around 7-9 throughout their teens and 20s. but then when the women reach their 30s, the alpha males they wanted no longer want them, and thats when women make the last ditch effort to settle down with a man they'd never have considered when they were 18-24. so women mostly wind up marrying a man they consider inferior because they wasted all their youth slutting with alpha males while actively avoiding men they're equals with.

browse this site. it explains everything from an evolutionary point of view: hookupculture dot com (or dot org)

I disagree.

I really don't see much diff between "american" women, and brits, or germans, or aussies, or italians my generation and younger. And I know this as I've been and lived in Austria (where my mother and father were from) and I can't detect one bit of difference between Austian women and American women once you get to know them.

I'd like to see some stats that show "european" women are "better? " My perception is that the divorce rates are just as high as here in the US. In fact, fewer even bother to get married.

Trust me on this. It's all a matter of economics and feminism. And I don't really have a problem with it all. I am proud that American womne have stepped up and taken their place in society, making us the most productive and affulent society the world has ever seen.

I just wouldn't marry one of them. Because this development has taught them to take care of themslevse, first, last and always. Like guys!

But who cares? There is always overseas. Right!

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[QUOTE=George90]Skin color is not a big issue to anyone except the upper class. You will not have a problem meeting White women if they are into Black men.
With non-pros, you need to be able to speak decent Portuguese. With pros, you don't.[/QUOTE] I think there is alot of confusion when there is talk about women with european features in Brazil.

I spoke to one guy that lives there and he says not "all" fair skinned women in Brazil are in the Upper class or "Elites". As a matter of fact most are like everyone else but the people that are in the Elite just all happen to be of european ancestory. So what ever colour your looking for you should find it in Brazil. From Chocolate Black to sugar white in all but the elites.

Ultimately who ever you choose its likely she is going to have a big ass and a body that may make you reconsider everything you learned in biology class.

To be honest I prefer the tanned look.

I personally notice the elite women are snobby and I wouldnt want to date or have a baby with such a woman.

i have to respond to drjoker69 when he said the following:

"i am old and lazy now, so i monger. i shoot fish in a barrel. i have money, so i can afford to do this. if you lack money, just do what i did as a younger man: use ross jeffries's speed seduction and go safari hunting cuz you might be surprised to find that it works!!!"

first shooting fish in a barrel because you pay them. your response was to someone looking for a ltr as this thread is about.

still you seem to be looking for something serious. now, being old, lazy and fat but now rich is not a reason to give up on what you proudly display as your conquests. no matter what country you go to, as in other reports you mention finding a woman in asia, i have found that women are women everywhere. sure you may live there and never bring her here. but if you really have the skills, why?

true skills, transend your being old lazy and fat as you have mentioned but i feel your "game" is weak and only short term be it money now or your old "game".

the question and purpose of this thread is which country. some come to this thread out of curiosity and some have limited skills, some money and some little and some have been burned/divorced by an american woman.

i have learned some of these skills. money is not an issue although i have it. i have found by learning these skills that women often buy me dinner, give me gifts, ask me for sex. and yes, these are american women and no they do not always have money. they want to give as i have found is in many women. not all but there are plenty.

i happen to like american women. my answer to this thread would be to learn the skills as long as you plan to stay in this country. the other two alternatives are not ones that i want related to finding a subservient woman. they are:

bring her here, don't let her learn the language and don't let her drive.

or go there and don't come back.

well i love the us and want to stay. not only that if i want a woman i can relate to and have fun with. not someone that will be my slave just because of some cultural thing because that may be a problem down the line. i say learn the skills no matter what your situation. there are many good women looking for a good man with confidence that she will respect and treat like a king. yes, here in the states too. and yes, all those beautiful women are available too that appreciate the skill regardless of weight, height, and age. that is why another post mentions these women with these men. it's not just these little tricks but long term game. yes, you never give in and maintain that attitude.

i say don't give up on a skill you had. you have seen the magic and it is still possible. it's a lot more fun than spending your money even if it is easy to spend the money as it becomes an unbalanced equation.

another classic from craigslist...if you really must date

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some rants and accumulated experience about women. men in happy marriages or stable relationships don't need to read this; neither do men who get laid every week (or even every month). the "truth" i'm putting out here is for all of those men who, like me, worship women and can't figure out why they keep getting screwed over and dumped. the myths are things that i used to believe before i wised up.

myth: women want love and affection. women want to be treated well. if you treat a woman well, she'll treat you well.

truth: young women want whatever other young women want. they're herd creatures. if you lavish a woman with love and affection she'll think you're doing it because nobody else wants you (which may be true) and she'll dump you. in fact, if you do anything that betrays that you're a loser that other women won't touch, she'll dump you. why? because she wants to impress her friends with what a great catch she's made, and if she thinks that they wouldn't want you, then she doesn't want you either.

there are only three exceptions to this rule. the first exception is psychos, otherwise known as "witches, bitches, and crazy ladies." they'll stay with you because nobody else wants them, or because you're the only one who put up with their abuse. the second exception is women who like to "fix men up": those women who like to take "broken" men and turn them into the man they want. these women are single because a mature man will recognize that these women don't want him... they want to turn him into someone else. the third exception is that once in a long time you meet a woman who isn't psycho, still wants to stay with you when she finds out that you're not super stud, and doesn't want to change you into someone else. this is the one you marry.

bitter myth: women are out for money.

truth: women are out for status and fun or for security, depending upon their age. a few women are out for cold cash, but not too many. status-seeking women aren't ready to settle down. they just wanna have fun, and they want their girlfriends to know it. they're looking for a guy they can dangle in front of their friends and say, "look what i got!" you don't have to have money to be that guy, you just have to come across as desirable. of course if you have money you don't need to do anything else, but having no money isn't the end of the world. the women who are out for security have had their wild fling and want to settle down. they want a guy who can provide a stable base for the future (and that includes finances).

all in all it's sort of like what guys do (and women whine about endlessly): when you're young you want some bright, bubbly thing with huge tits, a nice ass, and a trimmed bush who screams like a banshee in bed, although you'll settle for much less; when you're ready to get married you want a nice girl who isn't going to break your balls. they're usually different people unless you're very, very lucky. young women want bad boys who will show them a good time. when they're ready to get married they want some guy who is going to be able to pay to keep them comfortable.

myth: women are out for looks.

truth: see above. women are out for looks, after a fashion. a guy in good physical shape who wears decent-looking clothes is attractive because he looks after himself and probably isn't a wimp or a whiner. she can convince her friends that he's a "catch." a guy who looks and smells like a laundry bin, or who can't climb a few flights of stairs without a rest had better have some spectacular attribute to show off to her friends (like being a genius) or he's not worth her time. any guy can compensate for lack of looks or lack of money with showmanship. he doesn't have to be a catch, just seem like one. all he has to do is make her friends think, "damn, i wish i were going out with him instead of the loser i'm with."

myth: i should find one woman i like who likes me, and stick with her through thick and thin.

truth: this is the biggest mistake i ever made. i used to be loyal to whomever i was with, even when someone better came along. all that happened was that i missed out on some great opportunities while i hung on with losers that ended up dumping me anyway. do this if the two of you are getting married; once you've tied the knot it's a whole other can of worms. however, if you're just dating, do exactly the opposite. in very subtle ways you have to let her know that although you like her, there are lots of other women out there and you still notice them. glance at tits and legs. smile at and chat with pretty ladies, even while she's with you (you're just being friendly, of course). this is the most important thing i've learned about dating in a decade. i even thought of dating wasp bitches again, so long as i could keep this in mind. never, never let her know that she's the only game in town. as soon as she believes that she's your "everything," she'll start whining and bitching and making demands.

think of it like buying a car. if you let the salesman know that this is your dream car, that you've stayed awake nights thinking about buying exactly this car, do you think the price will go down? of course not! he'll jack the price up as high as he thinks he can go and still have you buy it. if you tell your girl that you've dreamed all of your life of going out with someone like her, do you think she'll smile and kiss you and things will go on as before? of course not! she'll realize that you'll put up with more of her bad habits, and that she can put up with fewer of yours, and the bitching will start. she'll try to make the relationship as comfortable for her as possible and still keep it going. remember the car salesman? remember the attitude that "this is a nice car, but there are hundreds of other great ones, including that one across the street", even as your heart is thumping and you're practically drooling? if you're just dating, this is the attitude to take.

myth: having a girlfriend / fiancée / wife means being able to tell someone my problems.

truth: nobody gives a shit about your problems. nobody ever will. i know that sounds harsh, but it's the reality of being a man. want to tell people about your problems? get a sex change. or join a men's group; the flip side is that you have to listen to their problems, but it helps. i know of only two kinds of women who want to hear about your problems: ones with far more problems than you have, and ones who fancy themselves amateur psychiatrists and like "fixing" men. neither is good company. let's face it: many women spend all day whining to their friends about how awful their lives are and listening to their neurotic friends responding in kind. the last thing they want to do is go out with you and hear more of the same.

to make matters worse, women simply don't "get" many of men's problems. women have problems with things that don't even bother us, but they expect us to be understanding or at least tolerant; we have problems with things that don't even bother them, and no amount of explaining will cause the light to go on or elicit any sympathy.

so why not just commit hara-kiri now? because it's not that bad. you get over it. in particular, once you figure out how to handle women a lot of your problems seem smaller and more manageable.

myth: having a girlfriend / fiancée / wife means someone will finally understand me.

truth: understanding—true understanding—takes decades. if you spend most of your time with the love of your life trying to explain yourself, she will have nothing but contempt for you, for two reasons. first, because she doesn't want to hear your whining (see above). second, and more important, women want to maintain the self-delusion that they already understand men. women everywhere claim that they understand men and that "men are simple creatures." the truth is that women haven't a clue where most men are coming from and furthermore they care only insofar as they want to control us. nonetheless, they want to maintain the fiction that they have us figured out.

it's a pride and status thing. a woman who doesn't "understand" her man can't control him, and a woman who can't control her man is a loser. the more you try to explain yourself, the more complex and multi-dimensional you become (a.k.a. "difficult"), and the less she can claim to understand you.

besides, most of the time you're explaining yourself to her you're really trying to figure yourself out. go do it in a corner, hire a professional listener, or join a men's group. she doesn't want to hear it. if you master the art of keeping your problems to yourself she will complain bitterly about this. she will ***** and whine that you're not open enough and that she has to drag things out of you. she will also secretly love this. it gives her one more thing to complain about to her friends.

myth: if only i could meet the right woman, my life would have meaning.

truth: if your life doesn't have meaning right now, when you're single, then a relationship isn't going to help. you'll pile too much baggage on top of the delicate emotional bonds too early, and the whole thing will collapse like a house of cards. want to see this in action? watch women: they do this all the time. in particular, women who whine about men who can't make a commitment are probably doing exactly this: looking to a man to make their life mean something. it doesn't work.

the only way to have a happy life is to develop one for yourself, then leave an opening for someone else to come and share it with you. neither of these two things is easy. in particular, it's too easy once you've developed a life for yourself to end up with someone who was doing exactly what you were doing before—waiting for prince charming (or in your case lady love)—to come and rescue her life. people like this end up draining away all of that energy you've worked so hard to build up, leaving you exhausted and frustrated.

take it from me: i waited for lady love for decades. finally i gave up, got angry, got off my ass and tried to make a life for myself, and suddenly i was surrounded by women who wanted to date me. after a while i met someone who was very special to me and i married her. now my life is about the same as before, but i have someone with whom to share it. as much as i prefer being with someone, i must tell you that having her with me doesn't make my life any more or less meaningful. i'm pretty much where i was before, only now i have company, which is nice.

[p.s.: after two years she turned into one of those people who was waiting for her life to mean something, and she drained away all of my good energy. oh well. some things just don't turn out as planned, no matter how hard you try. rats.]

myth: if i treat a woman well and listen to what she says, she'll stop complaining

truth: women never stop complaining. for them, it's a sport. some complain more than others, but none of them will ever stop, any more than one day men will stop discussing football. men have built civilizations, created law, invented husbandry (that's keeping domestic animals by the way, not marriage; women invented marriage), built skyscrapers, invented cars, washing machines, antibiotics, toilets, computers, and microwave ovens, and generally dragged us out of caves and into condos. don't kid yourself: men did it all. if it were up to women we'd still be living in caves and dying at 20. i know that men did it all because i know why they did it: they hoped that it would stop women complaining. it didn't.

if you listen to your girlfriend's bitching and try to make everything better, you'll suffer the same fate as all the men who came before: you'll run yourself ragged, and at the end of it all she'll still be bitching. if you ignore all but the most important complaints, she'll ***** about that, too, but you'll feel far better about your life.

myth: men don't listen to women because men don't care about women.

truth: men ignore women because women normally have nothing worthwhile to say. this is not a condemnation of women, but rather a difference in what talking is for. this is one of the few areas where john gray has something useful to say. men mull things over, organize things in their heads, then speak. men have to do this because they have to get things done, and if they blabbered all day long about nothing in particular then eventually other men would pay them no attention. men talk to communicate ideas, negotiate compromises, and secure cooperation. life and experience has taught men to be brief and pithy.

women talk to organize their thoughts. it's the difference between doing the math problem in your head and writing the answer at the top of the page, and scribbling all over the page in order to arrive at the answer in the bottom corner. women want men to listen to them. women want men to follow along as they scribble all over the page, not just wait for the answer. quite frankly, who cares? as i mentioned above, there are lots of things that women don't want to hear from men. if you want to talk about these things, you'll have to find some other men who want to listen, because she sure as hell won't. if she wants to attach her mouth to her brain and vocalize all of her mental processes then she should find someone who cares to listen, in other words another woman.

myth: she said she loves me. she must think i'm really special.

truth: when women say, "i love you" it can mean almost anything. "i want to spend the rest of my life with you," "i'm desperate to get married and have babies and you're the best thing i've come across so far," "you're better than the last jerk i went out with," "you're the best guy i've come across this week," "all my girlfriends are in love and i want to be too," "i have a million problems and i want you to feel obliged to listen to them," "i want another date and i want you to feel like you have to ask me out again," "it's time i put my foot down and started controlling you," and any number of other things. ok, most women think they mean it when they say, "i love you." however, remember the old saying, "it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind"? she loves you this minute. maybe today. maybe this week. maybe even this month. however, this says nothing about how she will feel next month, next week, or tomorrow.

one of the biggest problems men like me have is that when we say, "i love you" to a woman we want to really mean it. like "i love you forever." men don't understand that a woman can say, "i love you forever" and change her mind next week. all she does is convinces herself that in hindsight, and despite everything you've ever said or done, you never really loved her, so all the times she said, "i love you" didn't really count. you have to learn to use the same language. go ahead and say, "i love you," but inside your head say, "i love you right now. tomorrow may be a different story." when you break up and she screams that you said you loved her, tell her that you did, but she did this and that and now you don't love her any more. when women say, "i love you" they aren't promising eternal devotion, so why should you be? one day you'll meet a woman who says, "i love you" and it'll really hit home. you'll test her love a bit and it will hold up. that's the one you marry.

myth: women understand relationships; men don't.

truth: this myth is perpetuated by women, pussy-whipped men, and psychiatrists. if women truly understood relationships... that is, if they understood relationships with men... then we wouldn't have a 45% divorce rate. maybe back in the pioneer days women understood relationships. these days, they have coffee with their girlfriends, talk about "men", examine and dissect relationships, study interpersonal dynamics, talk, talk, talk about what works and what doesn't, then go out and perfectly screw up their next relationship. i know. i've watched it happen from the sidelines.

women spend more time analyzing relationships; they talk about them incessantly, and in doing so discover more truths than men know. however, all of this talk in a vacuum also means that their heads are filled with more bullshit and myth than are men's. the combination of superior insight and copious nonsense puts them right back where we are. men tend to see what's going on in a relationship more clearly, but have no idea how to express what they see or what to do about it. women would probably know what to do about it if they could only see it as it truly is, instead of through a fog of preconception.

the other big difference between the sexes is that women are absolutely certain that they know what is going on, whereas men make no such claim. the last man who claimed to have his own radical theories about relationships was freud, and nobody pays any attention to him any more. it is women's ideas about relationships and why they do or don't work that have been imported lock, stock, and barrel into the field of psychiatry. most male therapists you'll meet are basically honorary women with university degrees, and as such they don't really understand relationships either.

myth: women are fairer and more even-handed than men

truth: nothing could be further from the truth. traditionally men have favoured the same rules for everyone: "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." women on the other hand make up the rules as they go along. although women's approach is patently unfair, it was valuable when they had to be the ones to point out that the rules needed to be changed, or that the rules should be bent in some cases. back then they did this for the good of everyone. these days men still feel bound by rules, but women are in a conflict of interest. they still keep watch over the rules and break them as they always have, but now they modify and break the rules in their own favour.

men's justice is often harsh, but it's fair. women's justice is arbitrary and these days often self-serving. (liberal "situational ethics" are essentially the same as women's ethics.) you'll find this out quickly in a relationship. the joke going around about "the rules" and how women change them all the time isn't such a joke. it's a documentary. if you doubt this, think of it this way. a man caught breaking or bending the rules of good behaviour will become either defensive or repentant; his wife will beat him over the head with his transgression for months, if not years. a woman caught modifying the rules of good behaviour to suit herself will giggle and freely admit it. she thinks it's a game.

myth: women do a lot for the relationship; men do a lot for themselves

truth: my ex-girlfriend invented a little ditty that made her puff up with smug, self-satisfied pride. it went like this, "women think of 'we'; men think of 'me'." ok, so e.e. cummings she wasn't. the point is that she actually believed this, and a lot of other women do, too. she thought that she was living and breathing our "relationship," while i was just kind of hanging around and taking up space. meanwhile, i drove her everywhere (she couldn't drive), i spent hours making her gifts and writing her notes, and i spent hours thinking about what was going on with us and where we were going.

the truth of the matter is that women don't think of 'we' any more or less often than men do. women think of their own needs most of the time, too. the difference is that women redefine their own needs as being those of "the relationship". for example, when a man needs to talk to his belle about something, he says, "i need to talk to you." when a woman needs to talk to her beau about something, she says, "we need to talk." notice the difference? suddenly what she needs becomes what we need. women do this all the time, and then pout and whine that they work so hard at the relationship and you don't. in fact they're just playing with words.

the other truth is that there are two relationships: the one you're really in—the one that exists between you and her—and the one in her head. remember how women are always talking and theorizing about "relationships"? well, much of what she defines as "our relationship" is really just a collection of theories and prejudices from past conversations with her girlfriends, and has nothing to do with what's going on between the two of you. in that sense, even if she is doing more for "the relationship," it isn't necessarily anything that concerns her real relationship with you.

myth: women are more involved in the relationship; men are more aloof.

truth: finally one that's true. the false part is the assumption that being deeply involved in the relationship is always a good thing, and that aloofness is fatal to relationships. if you doubt this, look around you and find a couple in which both people do little else but sit around with each other and talk, and watch how fast the relationship blows itself apart. every relationship has to have a balance between looking inward and looking outward. most women who complain that their men don't pay enough attention to "the relationship" aren't seeing the relationship clearly and/or are buried in "the relationship" up to their necks and so are creating more problems than they solve. recently i was skimming a book by dr. laura and saw a chapter that gets this one right. where is it written that when a man wants to go back to college and a woman wants to get married, and she gets angry that he's "not thinking of the relationship" that she's automatically right? maybe the right thing to do at that moment is for both of them to go back to college for a couple of years. women confuse obsessing about "the relationship" with healthy involvement, particularly considering that half the time they're seeing stuff that isn't even there. sometimes your relationship needs more attention than you're giving it; other times she's smothering it. the assumption that more involvement equals more love simply isn't true.

myth: when she says no, she means no (so why am i so confused)?

truth: nobody means no every time they say "no." think about it: do you? you've never said no when you were too shy to say yes? you've never said no because you were nervous, didn't know what you were getting into, and didn't really have time to think about your answer? you've never said no because you thought that was the right thing to do even though you really wanted to say yes? you've never said no and then changed your mind? you've never said no as a joke, just to get a rise out of someone, when you really meant yes?

i've done all of these things at one time or another; most men i know have, and most women i know have as well. however, for men there's a catch. if she's prone to saying no when she really means yes, then you should dump her. immediately. especially if she's told you in no uncertain terms "no" and then starts dropping huge hints that you're supposed to ignore this and go for it anyway. dump the *****. this is just far too dangerous. if you doubt this, imagine sitting in court, accused of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. "did she tell you no, mr. smith?" "yeah, but afterward she tried to rip my pants off, then stripped naked and sat on my face!" "but did she say no, mr. smith?" "umm... yes she did." "case closed."

i once went out with a woman who told me, on our second date, that there was no way she would sleep with me, that her ex-boyfriend was coming to visit and that it would be "too complicated" if she were sleeping with me when he came to stay. on our third date she did everything to let me know that she wanted me, including lying on my bed, making comments about removing her clothes for a nude massage. spooked, i drove her home, dropped her off, and never went out with her again. i consider it one of the smartest things i've done in my dating life. (incidentally, apparently so does she. every time i meet her she asks why i don't call her any more.)

myth: women are social geniuses; all women get along well with each other, while men just fight

truth: i lived in a mixed-sex dorm for two years in university where each floor was segregated by sex. it alternated: one floor men, one floor women, one floor men, etc. a few nearby residences were completely mixed. a couple of the men's floors looked much the worse for wear at the end of the year. you know, men are so destructive. the women's floors all looked perfect. all the girls were smiling and friendly. talk to any of them, however, and they'd tell you that they hated living on an all-female floor, and every last damned one of them was moving to the mixed dorms the very next year, and not with each other. according to them, underneath the tidy rooms and smiles were claws and forked tongues. every day was a quiet, mannerly, pitched social battle. the men, on the other hand, got along just fine with only a few exceptions. most of us were quite happy where we were, the only complaint being that we didn't see the ladies enough.

one thing that is true along the lines of this myth is that any woman will defend another woman against a man, even a woman that she doesn't know. start bad-mouthing women, even a particular woman that isn't known to "present company," and you'll find women defending her even though they have no idea what's going on. if anyone—a woman or another man—verbally attacks a man, other men will not jump in and defend him. why? men assume that other men can look after themselves and, after all, they're competition. women assume that an attack on one woman is an attack on all women.

bitter myth: women are all the same.

truth: women are not all the same, and in particular women change with age. a woman who wouldn't give you a second look at 15 may be asking you out at 35. in part this is the dreaded "biological clock" at work, but in part it's also changing priorities. at 15 she wants to impress all of her friends with her "catch" and she is starting to learn to control men. she wants variety and excitement. at 25 she wants to have fun with no strings attached and wants to hone her controlling skills. she wants more stability but she doesn't want ward cleaver or bill gates. at 35 she realizes that the fun days are over and it's time to settle down and get serious.

boring, nerdy guys who were dog meat at 15 can be studs at 35. the guys grow up and mature, they learn to need women less, and they settle into a life of resigned solitude, which means that they cheer up because they're no longer striving for something they can't have. the field narrows, and there are fewer single guys with no divorce history. finally, her priorities have changed. she's no longer impressed by "bad boys" on motorcycles with a few convictions for petty crime. she knows that her friends aren't impressed by flashy, fast-living rogues any longer, any more than they're still impressed by fashions from suzy creamcheese. she's more interested in building a nest than impressing her friends anyway (and she knows that building a nest is what will impress them). so, just because you can't get anywhere now doesn't mean that your whole life will be a write-off. take a clue from me: i never had a single date in high school. i had one girlfriend for a year in university. ten years later i was beating women off with a stick.

[QUOTE=Wet Nose]Another classic from craigslist...if you really must date

Impressive. Great post.

It seems the more I look around on the forums (especially in Eastern Europe), there is complaining that the "good ol'e days" are numbered or over already in many favorite mongering destinations.

Those with some "skills" don't seem to be the ones complaining however...

I always felt that if you HAD to pay for it, there reasons for that and its not always because your fat, old or ugly.

I also understand for some older members of the forum that its not worth their time to "chase" women around when all they want is to shag.

Have you ever thought that maybe your freebies have dried up because word got out that Westerners are not genuine with the women?

Like some players say "You don't have to lie to kick it"

If you have to lie about everything under then sun, from where you work to that your really are married but remove your wedding ring on trips, then isn't that the same thing American women complain about American men for example?

If that is true, no wonder girls don't wanna bang forgieners anymore. Why fuck with you, when the local men do the same thing, but they are local and they can confront them possibly?

I think theirs a warped sense of the sexual freedom European women enjoy and American men don't quite understand. Just because these women don't make you jump through hoops to get in their pants, doesn't mean they value themselves any less than any other woman in the world.

I know this site is focused a bit more on P4P and less so on "The Chase" so I respect that. But there has to be some balance and I get the sense that's missing in alot of forums now.

Its hard to find any post about non-Pros. Its seems they don't exist anymore or now they are generally given us the cold shoulder. Some complain about the pussy valve has been closed to Westerns, but you can only look at yourselves to blame I feel. Its not like you have to tell a woman "Hey I just wanna fuck you tonight, is that okay?" Some women might be DOWN for that, you never know, but I would guess about 98% of the women in any culture would turn you down just because woman aren't taught to think sex is meaningless like men are taught too.

I'm not asking for some people to turnover a new leaf in life because a leopard can't change his spots so easily.

The lack of any real information has made my trip planning a bit of a challenge but I do wanna thank those that have posted in the past about seeking non-Pros weather for short term or long term and I have sent them PM's and gotten the answers I needed.

I'm positive I'm not the only forum member that feels like this and I felt this was the place to post it, if its not feel free to move it.

DJ:

I think there are a few simple factors contributing to the notion that the Eastern European markets are drying up:

* The women aren't as desperate anymore. Economies in EE have improved dramtically since the 90's. This isn't just measured in real "cash" value, but also in the perceived value. The girls aren't as desperate to leave their countries to escape economic doom. They believe that things will improve in their own countries and sex-hungry foreign tourists aren't that interesting anymore as an escape option.

* Europe has opened up for many of the EE countries as they join the EU. The girls can go to the EU themselves, get exposed to it and raise their standard. They aren't just looking for "anyone", but rather "the One".

* Foreigners have a reputation as sex tourists. Girls in EE have figured out that foreigners only want to fuck them. Some girls still play the game, but are raising the stakes to get into their pants. This just means more work for foreigners looking for easy sex in EE... and more $$$ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship.

* The quality of monger has waned. First and second wave mongers were more skilled than the third and fourth wave groups, who are mostly under-financed tourists. The first and second waves were usually either businessmen or "professional" mongers. They simply had more game than the new bunch. Cheap flights to EE, particularly the Baltic states and Czech Republic, as well as visa-free travel to Ukraine and Moldova, have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade the playground.

* Lack of cultural understanding/knowledge/language. Girls who speak English or Italian (the primary communication languages of mongers in EE) are generally better educated than those who don't. These "easy access" girls know their value and are most likely to play with foreigners once they figure out the game. More normal girls, often exceedingly beautiful and available, speak only their native tongue... 90% of mongers don't speak the local language and can't even communicate with the girls they want to fuck. Good luck.

* Top level girls want top level guys. This eliminates 90% of mongers from consideration. The top 10% of mongers in terms of success (not necessarily but often incl.money), appearance, cultural awareness and game still have very easy pickings.

* Increased competition from the locals. Local EE guys, once characterized as poor, loutish, rude drunks are often now rich, loutish, rude drunks. That's good enough for many of the local hotties. Many average-incomed local guys have also improved their game and attractiveness dramatically... and they can more effectively communicate with the local girls and offer "added value" since they won't leave the country never to be seen again after their 7-10 day sex holiday is over like the foreigners do. The girls know this and many choose to stick to the locals.

Indeed, times have changed in EE. As you correctly stated, mongers with "game" or "skills" still do very well. Mongers expecting cheap and easy "freebies" generally have to work harder than they did before. Less-travelled areas may offer average-skilled mongers better chances, but generally the less-travelled areas are less-travelled for a reason. Because they suck in one way or another. :)

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]DJ:

I think there are a few simple factors contributing to the notion that the Eastern European markets are drying up:

* The women aren't as desperate anymore. Economies in EE have improved dramtically since the 90's. This isn't just measured in real "cash" value, but also in the perceived value. The girls aren't as desperate to leave their countries to escape economic doom. They believe that things will improve in their own countries and sex-hungry foreign tourists aren't that interesting anymore as an escape option.

* Europe has opened up for many of the EE countries as they join the EU. The girls can go to the EU themselves, get exposed to it and raise their standard. They aren't just looking for "anyone", but rather "the One".

* Foreigners have a reputation as sex tourists. Girls in EE have figured out that foreigners only want to fuck them. Some girls still play the game, but are raising the stakes to get into their pants. This just means more work for foreigners looking for easy sex in EE... and more $$$ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship.

* The quality of monger has waned. First and second wave mongers were more skilled than the third and fourth wave groups, who are mostly under-financed tourists. The first and second waves were usually either businessmen or "professional" mongers. They simply had more game than the new bunch. Cheap flights to EE, particularly the Baltic states and Czech Republic, as well as visa-free travel to Ukraine and Moldova, have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade the playground.

* Lack of cultural understanding/knowledge/language. Girls who speak English or Italian (the primary communication languages of mongers in EE) are generally better educated than those who don't. These "easy access" girls know their value and are most likely to play with foreigners once they figure out the game. More normal girls, often exceedingly beautiful and available, speak only their native tongue... 90% of mongers don't speak the local language and can't even communicate with the girls they want to fuck. Good luck.

* Top level girls want top level guys. This eliminates 90% of mongers from consideration. The top 10% of mongers in terms of success (not necessarily but often incl.money), appearance, cultural awareness and game still have very easy pickings.

* Increased competition from the locals. Local EE guys, once characterized as poor, loutish, rude drunks are often now rich, loutish, rude drunks. That's good enough for many of the local hotties. Many average-incomed local guys have also improved their game and attractiveness dramatically... and they can more effectively communicate with the local girls and offer "added value" since they won't leave the country never to be seen again after their 7-10 day sex holiday is over like the foreigners do. The girls know this and many choose to stick to the locals.

Indeed, times have changed in EE. As you correctly stated, mongers with "game" or "skills" still do very well. Mongers expecting cheap and easy "freebies" generally have to work harder than they did before. Less-travelled areas may offer average-skilled mongers better chances, but generally the less-travelled areas are less-travelled for a reason. Because they suck in one way or another. :)[/QUOTE]

I knew you would chime in...

And 100% on point as usual!

I'll be the first to admit, I'm going over "often used territory" by mongers, but my angle is a bit different. I'll come back to claim my prize!; unlike most mongers, tourist and locals that rather "hit it and quit it".

I rather deal with immigration issues and relocation problems than invest thousands of man hours and hundreds of more dollars than I have already spent on "local talent" on women abroad.

I have cultivated some talent but I feel that might backfire on me a bit as I spent too much time planning and now that I'm finally going; expectations have bared fruit...

[quote]you coming here... and we spend some time together...right? and than you have to leave again...[/quote]

Me: Yes

[quote]that's what I wanted to talk to you about[/quote]

Me: Okay Go Ahead

[quote] defiantly don't want to fall in love with you and than hang in there till distance and time kills the feeling... done that, don't want it again... but I also don't want to miss the chance to find out you are the ONE... I am scared of both possibilities... do you understand?[/quote]

[i]Crystal Clear[/i]

So she wants a brotha, what can I say :D

But she has kids and I feel I owe it to myself to seek out "childless but open to the idea of children later" women.

Now scheduling is critical and I'm forced to be creative (rubbing my hands together) so this should be fun and I hope I don't hurt any body's feelings too badly. She might end up with me after-all, but I want to find out what other options are out there before I "turn-in that option to buy."

I should see her last and that might be the best plan of attack, I don't want her out there thinking I'm out there banging all kinds of women. She still doesn't believe I'm not dating anybody...

But I think I'm going to adjust my scheduled arrival by a few days, maybe even a week. She doesn't blow up my cellphone like the Norwegian girl did before I finally told her its a bit much, but I don't wanna say I'm in town and have the phone ring as some hottie is getting her taste of chocolate....

Doc, you got any sneaky tips for me?

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] I have cultivated some talent but I feel that might backfire on me a bit as I spent too much time planning and now that I'm finally going; expectations have bared fruit...
But she has kids and I feel I owe it to myself to seek out "childless but open to the idea of children later" women.

Now scheduling is critical and I'm forced to be creative (rubbing my hands together) so this should be fun and I hope I don't hurt any body's feelings too badly. She might end up with me after-all, but I want to find out what other options are out there before I "turn-in that option to buy."

I should see her last and that might be the best plan of attack, I don't want her out there thinking I'm out there banging all kinds of women. She still doesn't believe I'm not dating anybody...

But I think I'm going to adjust my scheduled arrival by a few days, maybe even a week. She doesn't blow up my cellphone like the Norwegian girl did before I finally told her its a bit much, but I don't wanna say I'm in town and have the phone ring as some hottie is getting her taste of chocolate....

Doc, you got any sneaky tips for me?[/QUOTE]

Well I do remembering warning you months ago that establishing contact too early and then cultivating it into a love relationship could very well backfire as you realize that 2-3 weeks isn't much time in country, especially if you are planning to do some playing around and hit a few cities. She is going to expect you to give her the bulk of your time... and most probably expect a return visit quite soon, or want to visit you.

When I am planning a trip and looking for contacts for some easy sex... essentially "hit it and quit it" with an option to "hit it" again on a future trip, I'll usually establish first contact with them no sooner than 10 days before my arrival. This is to avoid exactly the predicament you are in. I really don't like the emotional distress.

Still, since we are men (or dawgs) it's not so much your problem as hers. You can fuck her a couple of times and then move on... but will have to deal with all the emotional baggage that comes with disappointing her.

I am assuming she isn't totally naive... and besides that black men have a reputation of being disloyal/unfaithful anyway (no offense, but it is the stereotype and can even work to your advantage)... so when you do jet, she'll probably not be totally surprised, just more likely worried about all the "I told you so's" she's going to get from her friends.

I figure you are just going to have to be hard on this one, no pun intended.

Meet her, check her out... if it works for you, tap it for a couple of days and then move on to the next girl.

There is really no nice way to say "see ya!", but you should at least make a nice excuse.

Unless you totally are in to this one female, I would suggest that you do pursue other women. After all, you are on vacation and you do want to have a point of reference to measure her by as well. Seeing her last might actually be the easiest option from this perspective... she can even see you off at the airport... :)

If you don't see her first and do move on from her to another locale, don't tell her exactly where you are going and don't let her get the idea she can tag along either... after the build-up you've had she will most likely get very clingy.

Sometimes I find that being direct and open is the best solution. It makes for some anger and stress initially, but this goes away and makes the following encounters much easier on the nerves.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Well I do remembering warning you months ago that establishing contact too early and then cultivating it into a love relationship could very well backfire as you realize that 2-3 weeks isn't much time in country, especially if you are planning to do some playing around and hit a few cities. She is going to expect you to give her the bulk of your time... and most probably expect a return visit quite soon, or want to visit you.

When I am planning a trip and looking for contacts for some easy sex... essentially "hit it and quit it" with an option to "hit it" again on a future trip, I'll usually establish first contact with them no sooner than 10 days before my arrival. This is to avoid exactly the predicament you are in. I really don't like the emotional distress.

Still, since we are men (or dawgs) it's not so much your problem as hers. You can fuck her a couple of times and then move on... but will have to deal with all the emotional baggage that comes with disappointing her.

I am assuming she isn't totally naive... and besides that black men have a reputation of being disloyal/unfaithful anyway (no offense, but it is the stereotype and can even work to your advantage)... so when you do jet, she'll probably not be totally surprised, just more likely worried about all the "I told you so's" she's going to get from her friends.

I figure you are just going to have to be hard on this one, no pun intended.

Meet her, check her out... if it works for you, tap it for a couple of days and then move on to the next girl.

There is really no nice way to say "see ya!", but you should at least make a nice excuse.

Unless you totally are in to this one female, I would suggest that you do pursue other women. After all, you are on vacation and you do want to have a point of reference to measure her by as well. Seeing her last might actually be the easiest option from this perspective... she can even see you off at the airport... :)

If you don't see her first and do move on from her to another locale, don't tell her exactly where you are going and don't let her get the idea she can tag along either... after the build-up you've had she will most likely get very clingy.

Sometimes I find that being direct and open is the best solution. It makes for some anger and stress initially, but this goes away and makes the following encounters much easier on the nerves.[/QUOTE]

Recommendation noted...

Yeah I should probably see her last, its not "cheating" if I did anything "and everything" before hand. After-all she thinks I'm doing something anyway, its not the truth, but you know if she wants to believe it.

Make fiction a reality... :D

What she doesn't know won't hurt her especially if it ends up being long term. I hardly doubt she'll ask me 6 months later what REALLY happen. But your right, if I found somebody better, then there's really no way to say nicely I don't want you.

All men have a reputation for being unfaithful.

In Europe its "added value" that its "a kid in the candy store" effect for African-AMERICAN Men (I have to stress that because we are preferred over native Africans, so I have been told anyway) and some brothas can't keep their pants on; some lady's can't keep their panties on either - Its a two way street.

I'm not quite sure how that works in my favor other than its easier for them to let go???

Its still an emotional "scar" even if its the size of a bug bite and I'm one of those that don't want to be known by anybody as the "bad guy". I actually would be happy with the lady in question, but I don't wanna go around with this feeling I could do better and the transition from single man to family man is a big step in a short time, she should respect that whatever happens.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Recommendation noted...

Yeah I should probably see her last, its not "cheating" if I did anything "and everything" before hand. After-all she thinks I'm doing something anyway, its not the truth, but you know if she wants to believe it.

Make fiction a reality... :D

What she doesn't know won't hurt her especially if it ends up being long term. I hardly doubt she'll ask me 6 months later what REALLY happen. But your right, if I found somebody better, then there's really no way to say nicely I don't want you.

All men have a reputation for being unfaithful.

In Europe its "added value" that its "a kid in the candy store" effect for African-AMERICAN Men (I have to stress that because we are preferred over native Africans, so I have been told anyway) and some brothas can't keep their pants on; some lady's can't keep their panties on either - Its a two way street.

I'm not quite sure how that works in my favor other than its easier for them to let go???

Its still an emotional "scar" even if its the size of a bug bite and I'm one of those that don't want to be known by anybody as the "bad guy". I actually would be happy with the lady in question, but I don't wanna go around with this feeling I could do better and the transition from single man to family man is a big step in a short time, she should respect that whatever happens.[/QUOTE]

First up you are just going to have to meet her face to face...then you'll know more. Seeing her in the flesh and feeling the vibe. Maybe SHE is the One... :)

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]First up you are just going to have to meet her face to face...then you'll know more. Seeing her in the flesh and feeling the vibe. Maybe SHE is the One... :)[/QUOTE]

Word... She is one of the few women that make me laugh or I don't try multi-tasking when she calls, that's a clue right thurr...

I will see her in the flesh, I'm not sure I'll make it from the airport in one piece!

I think Chinese women are the best bet for a long term relationship. For one thing there are so many of them, probably 600 million. Well maybe only half are in the appropriate age brackett, but that is still more than the entire population of the USA. I've been seeing a delightful Chinese lady once a week for over 6 months, longer than with any other paid provider. She treats me like a king, probably better than a GFE, because she doesn't nag like a girlfriend. The cost is reasonable. There are Chinatowns all over the world, so one can probably experience this almost everywhere.

[QUOTE=Double Nickle]I think Chinese women are the best bet for a long term relationship. For one thing there are so many of them, probably 600 million. Well maybe only half are in the appropriate age brackett, but that is still more than the entire population of the USA. I've been seeing a delightful Chinese lady once a week for over 6 months, longer than with any other paid provider. She treats me like a king, probably better than a GFE, because she doesn't nag like a girlfriend. The cost is reasonable. There are Chinatowns all over the world, so one can probably experience this almost everywhere.[/QUOTE]

Be very careful, Chinese/Asian women are some of the craftiest women I've ever met. They know what bells to ring to make you feel good. I too have been seeing a delightful Chinese woman, she would tell me I was the only person she was providing exra's such as sex.....I never believed her but went along it. One day I showed up for a massage session and went to the bathroom and there was a condom wrap floating in the toilet bowl. I never said a word, before the session began, she went into the bathroom and must have seen the condom. So, she made up a story that she had been blowing condom balloons for a prior client. I'm still puzzled as to why she would lie about it and then make up a flimsy excuse.

[QUOTE=Double Nickle]I think Chinese women are the best bet for a long term relationship. For one thing there are so many of them, probably 600 million. Well maybe only half are in the appropriate age brackett, but that is still more than the entire population of the USA. I've been seeing a delightful Chinese lady once a week for over 6 months, longer than with any other paid provider. She treats me like a king, probably better than a GFE, because she doesn't nag like a girlfriend. The cost is reasonable. There are Chinatowns all over the world, so one can probably experience this almost everywhere.[/QUOTE]

I believe that's looking at it from a monger's point of view. You mention cost, no where in my post have I mention "cost". Yes having a GF/Wife does not come cheap per say compared to living alone. But do you really put a dollar value on spending time with somebody you really care about?

There alot of women that will treat you like a "King". But you have to give in return that that means more than bringing home the paycheck, making sure the bills are paid and putting down the toilet seat.

Nagging is a state of mind....

You shouldn't have to be reminded twice to take out the trash. I personally like people that take the initiative and get things done before the nagging can start. That's where a level of independance from your gf/wife comes in; she shouldn't pass by the trash can twice and then nag you about it, if its not done on the first pass, she would do it and MAYBE hold it against you that evening, which if fine with me. It shouldn't be so "easy" to get some that night if you can't even do the basics on your own, your not a child anymore and you didn't find a gf/wife to clean up after you or did you?

I finally we come to personal taste.

Personally I find the best looking Asian women are already in the United States, bar none, case closed. I don't care WHERE they came from originally and I don't find my Asian friends pining about girls back in their home country and they rather not date "FOB's" themsevles.

Now I find alot of mongers, like the "FOB" types and I believe there some deep seeded motives for that and that's all I say about it.

I desire a progressive woman with some sense in her head, that's not hard to find outside the US, just inside.

Hello,, all!

Well, after a long hiatus I'm back on the board! Some may remember me as Dr. K or Casper (or not LOL).

I have been involved in some LTR with 'good girl' Asians I think they are some of the best. Asians in general seem to be much less hung up on sex than their Western counterparts.

This goes for even the 'high class' Thais. A gf of mine was actually Chinese but indigenous Thai and a college student in the US. We were very serious for 2 years. She treated me like a freakin' king, kept my house spotless, cooked for me and sexed me up all the time. The parent situation was REALLY weird. She could not be living with farang so we kept her old tel number and had the 'red phone' installed when her parents called. It was that issue that ultimately drove us apart (despite my income, job, etc they could not accept a non-Chinese person).

I also dated this gal Jang when Gary ran the Prince of Wales, Bangkok. She was a 'good girl' cashier and before the snickers begin, he told me from the outset "Forget it, she's shot down every farang that's been in here". He said guys that offered her money would [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off. I never dated any gal in that bar (or in WSquare) for that matter and just talked to her about what I was doing in school, learning Thai etc.

I ended out going out with her for about a year and she spent most of this volunteer gig I did up North with me. Frankly she was freakin' crazy, but again the sex was great. Jang would hold up her fingers after banging to indicate how many orgasms she had. If I got a fist I was in trouble!

I had an native Indonesian gf that initially was great, a beauty and I managed to snag a fiance visa for her to come to America (another wild story in itself). I think had I been more of the man I am now we might have had a better chance. There was some of the gold-digger in her as well.

I'm not I could call her a moderate muslim. I remember at my house when I had made breakfast and she's munching on a sausage. "Hey, that has pork in it! " She replied "Ahh, who's gonna know? " The other was the night before we went to the Indonesian embassy for our 'interview' she had gotten on the full burkha look and prayed for our luck. She hadn't told me she'd changed and it was quite a shock to see her in full regalia on the carpet.

My other gf was Chinese, also stateside and again, as far as sex goes was great. We got along intellectually but she didn't trust me at all (with good reason). Family was another big issue and I had to clear out for a month when mama came to town. She was computer literate enough to bust this dumbass for getting on TSM and not erasing his history. And that made me history as well. Heh heh.

My LTR relationships with caucasian/black women has been fine. I don't think there's a lot of differences although my preference is for Asian.

In the end it's a lot what you bring to it. I'm not a total fan of the ladder technique, basically because it tries to make me a person I'm not. I do think wealth, looks etc are important, it's how you use them that matters. The guys who are not trying to impress someone with their alphaness (the competition) do much better. What I want to develop is gravitas LOL.

There is a great book called "How to date Young Women". It's not so much the goal (although laudable) but the psychology of women and how to deal with it. I love the games he goes into, how to detect, bail or use it to your advantage. I think the guy's pseudonym was Rod Steele, out of print, maybe you can find. I learned invaluable lessons that changed me from a nice guy, to a nice guy with balls.

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Eastern European women are not as desperate as they were in the past, so you need to have your game on even with them. Economic conditions in the former Eastern bloc are improving dramatically, also many EE countries are now part of the European Union, so there are opportunities for Eastern girls to move to the West. The USA is not the only way out for these women. There are other places that appeal to Eastern Europeans, Australia is one of them and many friends of mine in Oz have hooked up with EE women during their trips there.

Do you have a disconnect between what your attracted too and what is normally attracted to you???

In other words, do you desire say low to mid 8's, maybe high 7's using the old scale for wifey material but the women interested in you for more than just a fling are somewhere around 6 or worst???

This is mostly the reason I have given up on native born North American women. Only women over 35 contact me or want to chat with me. I also get my fair share of questionable looking women trying to contact me.

Have I set my standards too high?

Even the German girls I had been talking to before my trip were average looking, nothing to write home about, but would have been more than open to an LTR. I picked the younger and better looking Norwegian girl and that backfired within the first 2 hours of meeting and she wished me luck on my search.

I floundered for about a week before I went to Kiev to meet with a older lady (34). Now she has latched on, doesn't want to let go and she is not up to my standards and looks her age on top of everything.

I am talking to a younger (24) Russian that is down and a older Polish woman (34) that's better looking than the Ukrainian or the Russian...

I am planning my return trip to Europe for early spring/late winter, but I would like to spend more time in ONE spot so I can focus on local talent.

I know I can find what I want if I focused on that solely...

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Do you have a disconnect between what your attracted too and what is normally attracted to you???

In other words, do you desire say low to mid 8's, maybe high 7's using the old scale for wifey material but the women interested in you for more than just a fling are somewhere around 6 or worst??? [/QUOTE]

Physically? All the time!! And outside the US as well.

Personality? Emotionally? No! I can pretty quickly weed out the women who are not on the same page as me.

[QUOTE=Master Yoda]I think there is alot of confusion when there is talk about women with european features in Brazil.

I spoke to one guy that lives there and he says not "all" fair skinned women in Brazil are in the Upper class or "Elites". As a matter of fact most are like everyone else but the people that are in the Elite just all happen to be of european ancestory. So what ever colour your looking for you should find it in Brazil. From Chocolate Black to sugar white in all but the elites.

Ultimately who ever you choose its likely she is going to have a big ass and a body that may make you reconsider everything you learned in biology class.

To be honest I prefer the tanned look.

I personally notice the elite women are snobby and I wouldnt want to date or have a baby with such a woman.[/QUOTE]

I agree totaly MYoda....such women also can also be seen in venezuela (now wanting to get out desperately becoz of senor Chavez...LOL),Colombia and in most other SA countries.

Personaly I too prefer a tanned women.Usualy the white women in SA are stuck up...snobs...arrogant....and FAR from the top of the "hottie index scale"...!!

I dated a white (snob) women in the DR for 1.5 years....and I learned my lesson...My GAWDDD what a total B^tch....! She made 600 USD amonth with her job (which is outstanding for DR standards) but do NOT think she paid even her own taxi ride...NO SIR!! Always complaining....telling me what to do....and to duscuss things...FUCK THAT SHIT.

Now i stopped dating women...I only wannna fuck em....nada mas. no mo crap.


Johan

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Do you have a disconnect between what your attracted too and what is normally attracted to you???

In other words, do you desire say low to mid 8's, maybe high 7's using the old scale for wifey material but the women interested in you for more than just a fling are somewhere around 6 or worst???

This is mostly the reason I have given up on native born North American women. Only women over 35 contact me or want to chat with me. I also get my fair share of questionable looking women trying to contact me.

Have I set my standards too high?

Even the German girls I had been talking to before my trip were average looking, nothing to write home about, but would have been more than open to an LTR. I picked the younger and better looking Norwegian girl and that backfired within the first 2 hours of meeting and she wished me luck on my search.

I floundered for about a week before I went to Kiev to meet with a older lady (34). Now she has latched on, doesn't want to let go and she is not up to my standards and looks her age on top of everything.

I am talking to a younger (24) Russian that is down and a older Polish woman (34) that's better looking than the Ukrainian or the Russian...

I am planning my return trip to Europe for early spring/late winter, but I would like to spend more time in ONE spot so I can focus on local talent.

I know I can find what I want if I focused on that solely...[/QUOTE]
I think it's fair to say that if a Western woman is on a internet dating site something is seriously wrong with her mentally, physically or financially. Fairly normal women have more cock than they can handle through the course of a day and do not need to go online to find dates. Occasionally there might be a good looking young woman with time to waste on these sites but they are not serious so save your time and money. Nothing beats finding what you want in person.

As I see it western women have some factors which speak in their advantage; and with that I mean THEY call the shots.

1) the pure demografic fact that there are more boys being born then girls. FACT. In every western country there are 10% MORE boys being born..!!! So you don't have to be a professor to do your maths on this one...
2) Men die earlier....even in some countries up to 10 years..FACT
3) More and more women get "feminazised"....FACT The media with their "sex and the city"their Ally Macbeal crap is debit to this shit. More and more men are being treated like mobile atm's with 2 legs. Just use em for $$$ and nothing else..!
4) more women postphone to get a child up till in their thirties becoz they have to go backpacking several years...make carreer...or whatever crap it is they do. FACT


Personaly i wouldn't waiste a dime on any western women. I just save my cash and go 1-2 times a year on a fuck trip to South America.
I also will NOT get any forreign wife back in here as that is Futile IMHO.

The women arround HERE that maybe (just maybe) want me...are usualy 2-5 years OLDER then I am (I am 40) all have kids (from earlier relationships) and mostly mental and/or financial issues. NO thanks....I think I just pass;-)
I am not just that kindda guy that is pussywhiped...or puts honey all day on a wifes ass. Sorry.,...but some guys are so pathetic they even prefer a BAD women rather then being alone..!!! NOT this guy.

cheers.

Johan

[QUOTE=Johan007]As I see it western women have some factors which speak in their advantage; and with that I mean THEY call the shots.

1) the pure demografic fact that there are more boys being born then girls. FACT. In every western country there are 10% MORE boys being born..!!! So you don't have to be a professor to do your maths on this one...
2) Men die earlier....even in some countries up to 10 years..FACT
...

Johan[/QUOTE]

J.,

Your points 1) and 2) are correct, but taken togther lead to the (logical) conclusion that women should NOT call the shots.

More boys than girls are conceived and born. I believe the sciebntific explnatin is that the sperm caryring the chromosome are lighter then the sperm carrying the X chromosome. They can swim faster and reach the egg before the X choromosome sperm. Ergo more boys than girls.

BUT!!!!! Boys/men die at higher rates than women at all ages. Infant mortality (< 1 yo) is higher for boys than girls. Child mortality (< 5 yo) is higher for boys than girls. Teen boys engage is very risky behavior and die more than teen girls. Teen boys succeed in committing suicide more than teen girls, despite that girls try more than boys.

By mid 20's or 30's when mate selection is in high gear, women can out-number men. It [i]seems[/] like it doesn't because so many older men (40's) still go after young women. In Western countries at age 30, I am sure than there are as men women as women or more women than men.

That should make women more accomodating of men if they seriously want a quality mate close to their own age. That women still give so much grief to men in general and run after the thugs and bad-boys, shows me that they are not serious about relationships with quality men.

[quote=george90]j.,

your points 1) and 2) are correct, but taken togther lead to the (logical) conclusion that women should not call the shots.

more boys than girls are conceived and born. i believe the sciebntific explnatin is that the sperm caryring the chromosome are lighter then the sperm carrying the x chromosome. they can swim faster and reach the egg before the x choromosome sperm. ergo more boys than girls.

but!!!!! boys/men die at higher rates than women at all ages. infant mortality (< 1 yo) is higher for boys than girls. child mortality (< 5 yo) is higher for boys than girls. teen boys engage is very risky behavior and die more than teen girls. teen boys succeed in committing suicide more than teen girls, despite that girls try more than boys.

by mid 20's or 30's when mate selection is in high gear, women can out-number men. it [i]seems[/] like it doesn't because so many older men (40's) still go after young women. in western countries at age 30, i am sure than there are as men women as women or more women than men.

that should make women more accomodating of men if they seriously want a quality mate close to their own age. that women still give so much grief to men in general and run after the thugs and bad-boys, shows me that they are not serious about relationships with quality men.[/quote]

as far i know in all western countries in the age range between 18-40 there are more men then women. (just take a peep in the cia factbook...and you'll see what i mean) thats why women call the shots. sure if you are a 73 yo guy you might feel king in the local nusery home...because 85% of the people there are women!!!! iot's all just like an economical demand-pull question. wereas the demand is not very much (women) the pull (men) is in a plus...need is ay more? iow prices will go up.......or like i said women will call the shots. they determine how this game is played...and not us men. i am sorry but i think this is the reality.

i am talking about people between 18-40 yo...in that range there are more men. in some countries even up to 7-10%!!!
i am sure if you google a bit you will find this too. i am certain for holland and germany this is the case. i don't know for the us...but i can imagine it's about the same. on every site you go...thereare way more men.....more men online....if you eneter a pub or a cafee...always more men...!!! just think of it.

the fact that purely absolutely there are more women is because the women live longer and after the 50th bithday....they become a small mayority.(becuase men die earlier....live more risky etc...etc....) what what is my purpose with women over 50????????????? exactly...absolutely none. they can not give me 2 kids....and also i don't theink they are sexualy attractive anymore or have any sexual appetit like we men do.

right now i am 40 yo....and i have to deal with the fact most women (here) are married/engaged....or divorced and have a lot of "bagage". so for me thats a reason to monger. women in their early thirties allready think i am "too old".....so whats a guy to do then?? settle for a woman 5-8 years older with with 0 changes of getting his own kids??? naaaa i'll pass. in western europe women do not want a man with more then 4-5 years age difference. and thats a fact!! preferably they even want younger men....!!hows that?

i do not want to take care of any women with kids from other men. if i want a child (and i still want that) i want a younger healthy women that can provide me with 1-2 kids of my own;-)
thats why i also go south.....:-) there a men like me can meet girls/women in their twenties.....young..healty that might can give me 2 kids in the nearby future. with any 37 yo women here that surely would be quite a pain in the butt.
anyways.....why any women doesn't have kids at the age of 37 still baffles me! i would think such women will be very demanding or in some other way "freaky"....


cheers


johan

[QUOTE=George90]In Western countries at age 30, I am sure than there are as men women as women or more women than men.[/QUOTE]I'm having some trouble comprehending what you mean.

Can you try running that by me again, buddy?

Thanks!

DB

[QUOTE=George90]"In Western countries at age 30, I am sure than there are as men women as women or more women than men."[/quote]

[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]I'm having some trouble comprehending what you mean.

Can you try running that by me again, buddy?

Thanks!

DB[/QUOTE]

"In Western countries at age 30, I am sure than there are as [i]many[/i] men as women or more women than men."

I get timed out very quickly, so I type very fast and do not proofread as thoroughly as I should.

[QUOTE=George90]I get timed out very quickly, so I type very fast and do not proofread as thoroughly as I should.[/QUOTE]Everytime you hit "preview report" the clock starts over. Click on it every so often and you'll never time out.

[QUOTE=George90] I am sure than there are as [i]many[/i] men as women or more women than men.[/QUOTE]I thought that's what you meant. But I still don't get it.

The first part of your sentence says "there are as many men as women."

The second part says their aren't: "more women than men".

I'm not trying to be a dick, just trying to understand your point.

DB

Sometimes I don't know what is worst; 90% of the Westernized women out there or our current political climate.

Anywho -

I am not willing to settle, I have outlined that several times, otherwise I might be posting this from Helibronn, Germany...

I thought I could do better, backfired. Back to the US and start over, not a big deal.

But as Johan said the climate for relationship and being over 35 isn't good, unless you just LOVE older women. In defense of Older Women I like a more mature attitude especially sexually. Experience in the sack is always good, however its much more risky to have children after 35 than at 25. Women know this and in the US they are having things done to their bodies to prevent further pregnancies.

All the typical dating nonsense aside, that gives me NO choice but to seek beyond these shores. I am not willing to spend YEARS in the middle of America to find one girl that doesn't mind the age gap. If she doesn't its usually because she already has kids...

There still are women in their early 30's that look mid 20's, unmarried and child-less, I am just not in those social circles however without going back to school and getting some sort of office/desk jockey job.

I believe I am atypical of the usual poster here as most of you work office type jobs that pull enough money to allow you to travel. If it wasn't for my father passing away, I would have still gone to Europe but it would have been alone, no wingman and maybe only 2 stops and spent much less money.

As I said I would be in southern Germany...

Best case scenario would be to find somebody from Canada or Western Europe because much like with our political system in this country, its the lesser of two evils.

That is [i]if[/i] you like fair skinned women.

Eastern Europe is intriguing as it has just the type of women available I want.

But our State Dept/INS makes it diffcult to bring your bride back to the States. Yes there is reasons for NOT bringing them back here and I wouldn't mind doing the ex-pat thing.

More investigation is needed!

[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]The first part of your sentence says "there are as many men as women."

The second part says their aren't: "more women than men".[/QUOTE]

My point was in response to a statement made by Johann007. He said that there are more women than men. That is why many women behave as they do; they have the option of just moving on to the next man.

I disagree with that. More men than women die at all ages for various reasons. I stated that by age 30 there are likely as many men as men or even more women than men. Meaning that there is not more women than men at older ages because our higher death rate overtakes our higher birth rate.

I read an article yesterday about sex imbalance in South America. It said that single mother headed households are growing very fast due to higher divorce rates, male death, and more men leaving to work in the US or other countries. In some towns there are almost no adult men. In larger towns women outnumber men 2 or 3 to 1.

[QUOTE=Dodger Bulldog]Everytime you hit "preview report" the clock starts over. Click on it every so often and you'll never time out.

DB[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I plan to follow your advice.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] I thought I could do better, backfired. Back to the US and start over, not a big deal.

But as Johan said the climate for relationship and being over 35 isn't good, unless you just LOVE older women. In defense of Older Women I like a more mature attitude especially sexually. Experience in the sack is always good, however its much more risky to have children after 35 than at 25. Women know this and in the US they are having things done to their bodies to prevent further pregnancies.

All the typical dating nonsense aside, that gives me NO choice but to seek beyond these shores. I am not willing to spend YEARS in the middle of America to find one girl that doesn't mind the age gap. If she doesn't its usually because she already has kids...

There still are women in their early 30's that look mid 20's, unmarried and child-less, I am just not in those social circles however without going back to school and getting some sort of office/desk jockey job.[/QUOTE]

DJ,

I understand from some of your other posts that you prefer light-skinned or White women. There are many White women in South America. I suggest you consider SA because you are not old by Latina standards. There are TONS of women in their mid to late 20's who would jump at marrying any man 40 or under who could provide them with a stable life and be a good father to the children she had with you.

I recommend you visit Colombia even if just to see what the fuss is about.

George90 simply not true in Colombia. Colombia has as a whole 52% men and 48% women.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]George90 simply not true in Colombia. Colombia has as a whole 52% men and 48% women.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't surprise me...

Where the women out number the men that I like to go -

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Ukraine, Poland, Russia, Romania

I think its 2:1 in all those countries...

I could be wrong, have to visit the CIA page again...

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]George90 simply not true in Colombia. Colombia has as a whole 52% men and 48% women.[/QUOTE]

Come on!!! Please, compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges.

The article I wrote about discussed sex imbalances in [i]small areas[/i], towns. I did not say anything about country wide sex ratios.

I would still claim and taken away, in which the sex ratio is not 52% men and 48% women, but something like 42% men and 58% for those over age 18.

By listing stats AND ignoring what the actual numbers mean, your not getting a real picture.

Fact is in most larger cities a lot of the "single elegible" men are either gay or bi, and not not interested or in the market for women.

Fact is a far greater % of men than women are down and out pushing shopping trollies, just look at the stats about who is is sleeping in the shelters.

Then you have another 50-60% of men who are either happily married, engaged, or living with someone, or hobbying on the side

This leaves roughly about 20-30%, most of whom are themselves either divorced, with kids, lots of finiancial, heathissues, like the women you don't like

Finally your left with about 10% of this demographic e. I. Men between 30 and 50 years who are single, straight, not pushing shopping trollies, as opposed to between 30% to40% of single elegible, adies with jobs, no kids (remember they are waiting until there mid to late thirties to have them now).

I, m late forties, in a first world country and currently having great sex with two mid thirties women, and could be fucking loads more, if I had the energy.

I love what the numbers actually mean, in reality.

Your forties are your peak, guys love them!

[QUOTE=William]By listing stats AND ignoring what the actual numbers mean, your not getting a real picture.

Fact is in most larger cities a lot of the "single elegible" men are either gay or bi, and not not interested or in the market for women.

Fact is a far greater % of men than women are down and out pushing shopping trollies, just look at the stats about who is is sleeping in the shelters.

Then you have another 50-60% of men who are either happily married, engaged, or living with someone, or hobbying on the side

This leaves roughly about 20-30%, most of whom are themselves either divorced, with kids, lots of finiancial, heathissues, like the women you don't like

Finally your left with about 10% of this demographic e. I. Men between 30 and 50 years who are single, straight, not pushing shopping trollies, as opposed to between 30% to40% of single elegible, adies with jobs, no kids (remember they are waiting until there mid to late thirties to have them now).

I, m late forties, in a first world country and currently having great sex with two mid thirties women, and could be fucking loads more, if I had the energy.

I love what the numbers actually mean, in reality.

Your forties are your peak, guys love them![/QUOTE]

A typical big city nightlife is geared towards singles and those mostly under 30.

When your over 35, single and look over 35, your going to have problems. I don't look 37, more like 27 so I can still play the vanity card to a point with younger women.

Yes I could have an almost endless supply of empty nester's, single mothers with school age children, etc, etc.

Call me a looser if you want, but where I am currently in my life is where I should have been 10 years ago. 90% of the women in my age bracket don't want what I want. Some may want children but that is RARE by the time they hit 35 or they have one already and don't want more. There's an undercurrent here that dislikes taking on another man's child in a relationship and I tend to agree. Most of the time the father is not involved so there its not as bad as many think, but I rather be a first time parent.

I can do that in another country...

Nice thread, I wondered what people think to this.

Why is it that white women rarely go out with asian (oriental) guys?

Here in the UK it is practically non existant, I have seen it only once, yet the reverse I have seen countless times.

You also don't notice this model hardly at all in the movies - how often does Jackie Chan kiss the white girl for instance?

Now I was interested to here when someone mentioned that it was a great novelty in Brazil - that is especially interesting to hear. Are there any other countries like this?

I am a great fan of Central and East Europeans and the recent influx of immigrants to the UK has made for great eye candy - sadly, they do not seem interested in asian (oriental) men. I wonder how those in East Russia who look oriental, are viewed by their fellow countymen further west?

And how is the situation in the US, with American born Chinese? Are they accepted by white girls or do they still find more success with "their own"?

Anyone care to share their thoughts?

[QUOTE=Cock Sure]Nice thread, I wondered what people think to this.

Why is it that white women rarely go out with asian (oriental) guys?

Here in the UK it is practically non existant, I have seen it only once, yet the reverse I have seen countless times.

You also don't notice this model hardly at all in the movies - how often does Jackie Chan kiss the white girl for instance?

Now I was interested to here when someone mentioned that it was a great novelty in Brazil - that is especially interesting to hear. Are there any other countries like this?

I am a great fan of Central and East Europeans and the recent influx of immigrants to the UK has made for great eye candy - sadly, they do not seem interested in asian (oriental) men. I wonder how those in East Russia who look oriental, are viewed by their fellow countymen further west?

And how is the situation in the US, with American born Chinese? Are they accepted by white girls or do they still find more success with "their own"?

Anyone care to share their thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Not to get into the whole stereotyped "Weaker Sex" discussion, I think an Asian man's best chances are in the US. I see many white girls with Asian guys behind the Orange Curtain (Orange County, California). My boy Ob who's Thai has dated White girls before, his preference is Asian women however.

Just like I would tell the guys that spend time over in Thailand, China, Japan, etc, the best looking Asian girls are already HERE. Now that's not to say their aren't hot women over there. I was watching one of my shows on G4 called Street Fury. They were filming it from Osaka, Japan where some shop is a legend in the Drifting scene. Big C had a Japanese-American girl ([url]myspace.com/princessmayu[/url]) with him to co-host the show because she spoke Japanese. Anyway, they ended up at one of the local hot nightclubs ([url]http://www.saza-e.com/[/url]) and Big C pulled the two hottest Japanese girls I have seen in a LONG, LONG time.

Shiet one of them would give many white girls a run for their money I can assure you.

I'd say just go to Eastern Europe and see what happens...

[QUOTE=Cock Sure]Why is it that white women rarely go out with asian (oriental) guys?[/QUOTE]

I have seen, and still this, a great deal. Lots of White women with Chinese, Indian, or Japanese men, especially if they (the men) work in the medical field.

As an example, The Eapans of Mathew Eapan fame, are inter-racial with the man from India and the woman a White American. They are both physicians.

I don't see what you are talking about.

[QUOTE=George90]I have seen, and still this, a great deal. Lots of White women with Chinese, Indian, or Japanese men, especially if they (the men) work in the medical field.

As an example, The Eapans of Mathew Eapan fame, are inter-racial with the man from India and the woman a White American. They are both physicians.

I don't see what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]
Speaking from experience in Germany and Europe, I have seen many local white girls with Asian boyfriends, particularly Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese. These Asians were however fully integrated, having grown up in the country, thus there was little cultural conflict.

Interesting, perhaps this is seen in USA and Europe then.

I can categorically say that in the UK where I live, I have only ever seen once in my life, an Asian man (I mean oriental, not Indian/Pakistani) with a white woman.

Its so rare that it makes me think of moving abroad.

I know some will say it is a confidence thing, but to see this sight only once in over twenty years, even taking into account error, makes this a hell of a rarity.

I have seen more Indian/Pakistani men with white women but that in itself is also rare here.

[QUOTE=Cock Sure]Interesting, perhaps this is seen in USA and Europe then.

I can categorically say that in the UK where I live, I have only ever seen once in my life, an Asian man (I mean oriental, not Indian/Pakistani) with a white woman.

Its so rare that it makes me think of moving abroad.

I know some will say it is a confidence thing, but to see this sight only once in over twenty years, even taking into account error, makes this a hell of a rarity.

I have seen more Indian/Pakistani men with white women but that in itself is also rare here.[/QUOTE]

Well..I'm an Indian and it has lot to do with cultural background...we could date a white women but marrying her would be very very difficult as India is still conservative society and you need the consent of not only your parents but of the whole relatives to get going...that would be the reason you have seen lot less relations growing out in UK..

You could date now and then but 90% of the time...its never long term..

Their is religion, then there is caste and then there is sub-caste..and then you have astro match up and then you have dowry to cross it all and get married..and the marriage itself is 7 days long

Besides, white women are fiercely independent and they do what they like....so if she likes to date an Asian men..no one on earth can stop her...not for us..even if we like white women..it could only go some distance...

So, actually its other way around....the white girl has to like you to go out..otherwise there is no chance

I'm an asian dude living in Toronto and I see it all the time. WF/AM relationships are like unicorns: you hear about it, it's supposed to exist but you only ever see it once in a blue moon.

Why? There're a whole bunch of reasons:

1) Attractiveness - simply put, most asian guys don't fit the mold that white girls have been programmed with

2) Height - most white girls want guys who are taller than them, which might be doable for some asian guys but not all of them

3) Endowment - there's a popular myth going on that asian guys are undersized down there.

[QUOTE=Wet Nose]I'm an asian dude living in Toronto and I see it all the time. WF/AM relationships are like unicorns: you hear about it, it's supposed to exist but you only ever see it once in a blue moon.

Why? There're a whole bunch of reasons:

1) Attractiveness - simply put, most asian guys don't fit the mold that white girls have been programmed with

2) Height - most white girls want guys who are taller than them, which might be doable for some asian guys but not all of them

3) Endowment - there's a popular myth going on that asian guys are undersized down there.[/QUOTE]Yep, I think those are the reasons.

Certainly the 3 most important ones. In Western Europe where I live, I hardly see the combination Asian guy and white girl.

Then stop complaining and come to America. I think you'll find on the East Coast and West Coast that dating white women if your Asian isn't all that hard.

Irvine, CA for example is almost 50-50 White and Asian, having a mix of the races is NORMAL.

There women that specifically state in personals they are looking for Asian men. Its not a myth, its not a dream, its reality.

Have your shit together though, because many Asians here are well-educated and have family connections, hardly ANY of them are broke and your competiting with dudes that rock Benzs and Bimmers and in some cases Ferraris and Porches.

Their women are well-pampered and this is not lost on the female population despite the 3 main issues you mentioned. Girls really hard up for tall men or bad boys and men with large dicks, okay they'll avoid you, but you'll have plenty of women to choose from and not just White women.

DJ for money - good post. I wouldn't have learned that through other means. May I ask you to PM me some of those sites with personal ads relating to Irvine - I'd love to go check em out.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Where the women out number the men that I like to go -

Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Ukraine, Poland, Russia, Romania

I think its 2:1 in all those countries...[/QUOTE]Women outnumber men by to 2:1 in modern European countries!? Are you NUTS? This must be some of the most seriously misguided shit I have ever read here.

The only way you can achieve a sex ratio that skewed is through massive warfare - not just an average, modern war, but carnage on a biblical scale. FYI men actually outnumber women in the 64 and under brackets for all the Western countries you mentioned.

I have an ongoing argument with another senior member here who I know IRL on this very subject, and I said EXACTLY what you just said!! We were talking about Colombia though.

Official stats in Colombia actually put it at 52% MALES! Which I believe is pretty much the ratio Mother Nature intended. We produce slightly more males than females because males are more likely to get themselves killed young :P

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I have an ongoing argument with another senior member here who I know IRL on this very subject, and I said EXACTLY what you just said!! We were talking about Colombia though.

Official stats in Colombia actually put it at 52% MALES! Which I believe is pretty much the ratio Mother Nature intended. We produce slightly more males than females because males are more likely to get themselves killed young :P[/QUOTE]You're right. Nature usually produces slightly more men than women, although it's pretty even. But since men tend to parttake in more risky behavior, men tend to die off quicker too. And in Russia and some other countries, men tend to drink themselves to death in large numbers. Women also live longer in the retired age-brackets, and that's usually where you see the biggest differences. But ofcourse, we don't care about that part of the equation.

CIA factbook puts current Columbian male/female percentages under 65 at 49/51, but for most purposes that would be around equal. In other words, even with the atrocious crime levels and lack of public welfare they have there, it's hardly enough to make a dent in sex ratios.

It's much more interesting and fruitful to look at other sides of the story - for example, that regardless of their own age, many, or even most men, would like to run after younger women, which means there's a lot more competition per woman than age statistics could suggest. Also, as a foreigner in a new country, your attractiveness with the local women will vary tremendously - going from extremely attractive to extremely unattractive. Those are the things that really matter, not if there are one or two percent less or more women there.

[QUOTE=Happy Salmon]Women outnumber men by to 2:1 in modern European countries!? Are you NUTS? This must be some of the most seriously misguided shit I have ever read here.

The only way you can achieve a sex ratio that skewed is through massive warfare - not just an average, modern war, but carnage on a biblical scale. FYI men actually outnumber women in the 64 and under brackets for all the Western countries you mentioned.[/QUOTE]

That was strictly a guess!

Ask Bango my ass is Black what would I possibly know?? ;)

I saw plenty of women, I didn't bother counting.

[QUOTE=Wet Nose]DJ for money - good post. I wouldn't have learned that through other means. May I ask you to PM me some of those sites with personal ads relating to Irvine - I'd love to go check em out.[/QUOTE]

Any large site because I am of the opinion that Asians are grouped with Caucasians

[url]www.plentyoffish.com[/url]

[url]www.match.com[/url] (thought I would say save your money its worthless)

And any of the usual sites that you'll find Caucasian women on.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Speaking from experience in Germany and Europe, I have seen many local white girls with Asian boyfriends, particularly Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese. These Asians were however fully integrated, having grown up in the country, thus there was little cultural conflict.[/QUOTE]


Its way more common to see East Asian women and White men, than the other way around. Interracial LTRs usually have a very high rate of failure, they might get a long for a while but they won't grow old together. I actually knew an Asian Indian guy in college who dated pretty much only white girls, I thought he was going to end up marrying one, then I talked to him recently, and he married an Indian girl. He thought a white western female would not be a good life partner, and generally other thread American Women, most of the negative comments are generally about white Western females of the American variety.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Its way more common to see East Asian women and White men, than the other way around. Interracial LTRs usually have a very high rate of failure, they might get a long for a while but they won't grow old together. I actually knew an Asian Indian guy in college who dated pretty much only white girls, I thought he was going to end up marrying one, then I talked to him recently, and he married an Indian girl. He thought a white western female would not be a good life partner, and generally other thread American Women, most of the negative comments are generally about white Western females of the American variety.[/QUOTE]

As I get older CBGB, I feel I am in a race against time...

I would really like to have kids, I love children, only way that happens in the Americas is to find some 30 something who has yet find the man that she wants to have children with and there a few of those still around, though I am not on their social "radar" because of the choices I made make me a social outcast to women only, dudes don't care where you live!

So basically that forces me to look elsewhere and since most of Western Europe is no different than America in some cases, I've turned my attention eastward, with one eye still on Scandinavia, still the best looking women IMHO.

I feel the next couple of years are make or break it....

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Its way more common to see East Asian women and White men, than the other way around. Interracial LTRs usually have a very high rate of failure, they might get a long for a while but they won't grow old together. I actually knew an Asian Indian guy in college who dated pretty much only white girls, I thought he was going to end up marrying one, then I talked to him recently, and he married an Indian girl. He thought a white western female would not be a good life partner, and generally other thread American Women, most of the negative comments are generally about white Western females of the American variety.[/QUOTE]
This is definitely true overall, my comment about Germany was expressing my surprise that it in fact does seem to work both ways there. That said, there are still more white guy-Asian girl than Asian guy-white girl couples.

The same can be said for black + white couples.

In the US there are a fair number of black man-white woman couples, whereas there are proportionally few white guy - black girl couples. In Europe it is somewhat more balanced, although black man-white woman still is more common.

In Australia, the common interracial couples are an East Asian woman and white male, and a Pacific Islander man and white female. The more interesting dynamic in Oz, is that most of the time you see an average white guy with an average Asian lady but with a Pacific Islander, they always have the hottest white girl even if the guy isn't much himself. Still most of these relationships do not last long. Despite this, if you go to Asia, most locals stay with their own kind, its not racism, its just human nature, in fact 99.5 percent of Asian women marry someone from their own background, it seems like many marry outside their race because there is such a massive Asian population, appearances are deceptive.

Even among minority males that I have spoken with, a lot of them find white women cold and aloof(if you compare most Western females to those in other cultures women in non Western societies tend to be more feminine), not the kind of lady that they want as a life partner. In Europe, there a lot of Arab and Middle Eastern dudes that hang out with white women but they almost never stay with them in the long run.

Asian women that go with white men do so because they are more liberated, Asian men, even modern ones like Japan, mostly treat women as subordinates.

I have noticed in the past months that Jackson has added some non-pro forums to some of the national threads like China, Thailand and now Brazil.

I haven't read the asian related forums cause it just isn't what I am interested in. However I found the Brazil forum interesting for obvious reasons!

What I don't understand is the under-tone of the thread which is play local women for stupid and fuck GDP's behind their backs and complain about the attention received by the local non-pro lady that is genuinely interested in that Gringo...

The "thrill" of the chase has its own rules of engagement or maybe they don't fully understand the rules??

Lathering up a non-pro to make it an easy conquest once you set foot into town is one thing, but common sense should tell you, that you better have a good excuse unless you want her hanging on you, especially after you screw her.

That's why I am not a true monger, nor a sex tourist. Those are not the main reasons why I travel.

I used FKK services because they are legal and available while I was in Germany but that did not interfere with "freebie" work and activity completely was completely unknown to the women I was attempting to court.

I could have delved into P4P while in Kiev, but I knew my "freebie" would pay off and it did on the last evening I was there. Now if I could have nailed "Professional Party Girl" without any money being exchanged, I wouldn't have cared if the other freebie caught me, even though her apartment was one building over and she set it up!

The other girl was younger, better looking and childless. While my host might be mad and disappointed, she would have understood...

I just wonder what are the goals of some of the people here and do they understand how the chain effect one or two decisions have on events later on?

The more Westernized a woman is and the more able she is to westernize, the less likely she will be a good domestic partner. I met a Ukranian woman last year, and although nicer than most Western women, she seems to be Westernizing, living in an EU country. She is in good shape because she swims regularly, but seems to eat a lot of fast food type things, and does not seem to cook, but at least cleans and does stuff like laundry. Women who are more likely to cook for you would probably come from Asian or South American, Middle East, Africa, and Caribbean countries. Most white women are not cut out for LTR.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] Most white women are not cut out for LTR.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't go that far, I've found German, Scandanavian and EE women all to have great potential and they'd certainly be game for the long haul if they had the right, FAITHFUL man.

Problem is, once you've got the LTR, your STR days are pretty much over... you can only hope you have some pro options to fall back on or can do a lot of travelling alone and get your fix that way.

LTRs bring some advantages of course, but I am nowhere near convinced that it is a necessity in today's world.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]As I get older CBGB, I feel I am in a race against time...

I would really like to have kids, I love children, only way that happens in the Americas is to find some 30 something who has yet find the man that she wants to have children with and there a few of those still around, though I am not on their social "radar" because of the choices I made make me a social outcast to women only, dudes don't care where you live![/QUOTE]

Your bio clock is ticking! Mine is too!!! I have decided to accept less in the looks department for more in the willingness to marry and have kids soon department.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]In the US there are a fair number of black man-white woman couples, whereas there are proportionally few white guy - black girl couples. In Europe it is somewhat more balanced, although black man-white woman still is more common.[/QUOTE]

Don't know about Europe so I can't talk. I have only heard of Tina Turner and her German boyfriend.

But!!! I can speak about the US! I agree that Black man / White women couples are FAR more publicized and highlighted than White man / Black woman couples due to the White obession with Black men and sex.

I disagree that there are in fact fewer WM/BW pairs than BW/WW pairs. In the US, Black women stopped marrying Black men some decades ago. They generally stayed single, but have started marrying White men in much greater numbers in the past 10-15 years. Why? Because Black men have fallen so far behind most Black women in terms of education and income earning ability that Black women have given up waiting for them. They are much more willing to marry White men so they can be on the similar economic level.

The WM / BW couples that I have heard of in the US are Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson, Robert Deniro and his girlfriends, William Cohen (former Defense Secretary under Clinton) and his wife, Radio personality Shadow Stevens and his wife.

Don't know where you are getting this information from, but it sure seems like I see about 100 BM/WF couples for every 1 BF/WM couple. Black women are known to be very shrewish and combative, and I get the feeling that their personality types are made only for black men. Very few white men roll that way, even if they could get a reasonably attractive woman amongst blacks.

And there is a point of contention that a lot of black men who *are* decent (of income and education) marry white women, and when you see one of these guys with a girl in some public place you'll see that they get the most dirty looks from: 1) White men (especially if they are out with their cafe-au-lait children) and; 2) Black women. It does not even have to be that good of a black guy for the couple to get hell. I remember once being at a grocery store and there was a BM/WF couple. They were both ugly (her butt had the exact same shape as a sack of potatoes) and the cashier (a WF) all of a sudden got very interested in playing with the baby of the customer in front of her and making faces at it than she was in serving the two customers. The white woman (of the couple) shoved some of the merchandise in her face to get the transaction started. They went through the line and she served me (a black guy) with no problems. I guess there were no problems with black men-- as long as they were not with white women. (This was in East Alton, Illinois, BTW).

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I wouldn't go that far, I've found German, Scandanavian and EE women all to have great potential and they'd certainly be game for the long haul if they had the right, FAITHFUL man.

Problem is, once you've got the LTR, your STR days are pretty much over... you can only hope you have some pro options to fall back on or can do a lot of travelling alone and get your fix that way.

LTRs bring some advantages of course, but I am nowhere near convinced that it is a necessity in today's world.[/QUOTE]

I conquer -

Plenty of "White Women" for LTR, however maybe the pool of Faithful men is shrinking?

I can be talked out of the advantages of LTR, but unless my skill set jumps up 10 fold, I think personally I am better off in a LTR. I don't relish in the chase I think its a DRAG.

Especially in my case, I have said before you know the deal - :)

I just had a cute Croatian woman tell me "We Like Black Men...."

I just marked another place on Google Maps

[QUOTE=George90]Don't know about Europe so I can't talk. I have only heard of Tina Turner and her German boyfriend.

But!!! I can speak about the US! I agree that Black man / White women couples are FAR more publicized and highlighted than White man / Black woman couples due to the White obession with Black men and sex.

I disagree that there are in fact fewer WM/BW pairs than BW/WW pairs. In the US, Black women stopped marrying Black men some decades ago. They generally stayed single, but have started marrying White men in much greater numbers in the past 10-15 years. Why? Because Black men have fallen so far behind most Black women in terms of education and income earning ability that Black women have given up waiting for them. They are much more willing to marry White men so they can be on the similar economic level.

The WM / BW couples that I have heard of in the US are Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson, Robert Deniro and his girlfriends, William Cohen (former Defense Secretary under Clinton) and his wife, Radio personality Shadow Stevens and his wife.[/QUOTE]

This is true and last census bears that out...

Thanks goodness so they stop berating me (like that happens NOT) about me dating White women ALMOST exclusively. When I hit South America, we'll see if I can challenge that.

Locally and I said it before Latinas chase white men if not their own and the ones that like Black Men especially the best looking ones like Tyson Beckford types and not normally DJFourMoney types, lol. So that leaves me with frumpy, dumpy and usually FAT Latinas and I don't do that no mo.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]

I just had a cute Croatian woman tell me "We Like Black Men...."

I just marked another place on Google Maps[/QUOTE]
Black men are going to find their "fans" everywhere, I've had a couple of girlfriends that've been with a black man before. But by the way, they do go back after they've had black. Sometimes.... :)

I don't think you have to go all the way to Croatia to find white women, I personally think you are on the right track with Scandi and Germany. If I were black, that's where I would go. Sure you'll find women who are interested in you in EE, and the exotic effect would be even more prominent there... but you'd likely also have to deal with much more bullshit as well.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Don't know where you are getting this information from, but it sure seems like I see about 100 BM/WF couples for every 1 BF/WM couple. Black women are known to be very shrewish and combative, and I get the feeling that their personality types are made only for black men. Very few white men roll that way, even if they could get a reasonably attractive woman amongst blacks.

And there is a point of contention that a lot of black men who *are* decent (of income and education) marry white women, and when you see one of these guys with a girl in some public place you'll see that they get the most dirty looks from: 1) White men (especially if they are out with their cafe-au-lait children) and; 2) Black women. It does not even have to be that good of a black guy for the couple to get hell. I remember once being at a grocery store and there was a BM/WF couple. They were both ugly (her butt had the exact same shape as a sack of potatoes) and the cashier (a WF) all of a sudden got very interested in playing with the baby of the customer in front of her and making faces at it than she was in serving the two customers. The white woman (of the couple) shoved some of the merchandise in her face to get the transaction started. They went through the line and she served me (a black guy) with no problems. I guess there were no problems with black men-- as long as they were not with white women. (This was in East Alton, Illinois, BTW).[/QUOTE]

Interesting....

Hardly happens around here, quite NORMAL actually and run of the mill these days.

I do agree that in coupling that BM/WW coupes are FAR more common, there plenty of reasons for that.

This is not the forum for racial relations however and Google works well if you wade through the racial propaganda on both sides.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Black men are going to find their "fans" everywhere, I've had a couple of girlfriends that've been with a black man before. But by the way, they do go back after they've had black. Sometimes.... :)

I don't think you have to go all the way to Croatia to find white women, I personally think you are on the right track with Scandi and Germany. If I were black, that's where I would go. Sure you'll find women who are interested in you in EE, and the exotic effect would be even more prominent there... but you'd likely also have to deal with much more bullshit as well.[/QUOTE]

Doc you are the man... Rockstar status? lol

Yes some DO go back, some women turn lez too, but that's another thread.

I think I am on the right track as well and competition is low, so I agree. EE is just interesting and generally untapped market.

Why not invest a little money and come up with buried treasure???

Tell you what I need to seriously invest about 6 months in Europe to truly find what I want. Got any time shares??? lol

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Don't know where you are getting this information from, but it sure seems like I see about 100 BM/WF couples for every 1 BF/WM couple. [/QUOTE]

From Black women!!!

I will concede that there is a social class gradient regarding inter-racial marriage. I work in education. I am around women with college degrees or are pursuing college degrees.

[b]NONE ARE INTERESTED IN MEN WITHOUT COLLEGE DEGREES!!!![/b]

Have I said that loud enough??? Black women with college degrees are NOT marrying men of any race without college degrees. Since Black women graduate from college at higher rates than do Black men, they are now turning to White men in droves for husband material. Among non-college graduates I am sure you will see all kinds of stuff. I can guarantee that you will not see a White woman with a college degree marrying a Black man without a college degree. She may go with him for a while to relieve Jungle Fever, but she won't ever marry him.

White men do the same. I spoke with a Black woman who was dating a White stock broker and he was very relectant to bring her around his social circle but was down to do anything and everything in her circle.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Doc you are the man... Rockstar status? lol
[/QUOTE]
I wish... :)

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]
And there is a point of contention that a lot of black men who *are* decent (of income and education) marry white women, and when you see one of these guys with a girl in some public place you'll see that they get the most dirty looks from: 1) White men (especially if they are out with their cafe-au-lait children) and; 2) Black women. It does not even have to be that good of a black guy for the couple to get hell. [/QUOTE]
Pretty natural phenomenon really. Same goes for white guys with Asian women, a lot of their men hate us for it. It's all about insecurity, the more insecure you are about yourself, the more likely you are to be bothered by interracial couples.

I would agree. And I think that since Asian men and black women are at the bottom of the dating pool (in the United States, at least), they have a lot to bear a grudge for. You'd think that those two would find each other.......

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I wouldn't go that far, I've found German, Scandanavian and EE women all to have great potential and they'd certainly be game for the long haul if they had the right, FAITHFUL man.

Problem is, once you've got the LTR, your STR days are pretty much over... you can only hope you have some pro options to fall back on or can do a lot of travelling alone and get your fix that way.

LTRs bring some advantages of course, but I am nowhere near convinced that it is a necessity in today's world.[/QUOTE]

The only white women that might be cut out for LTRs are Israelis(most Israelis are not white), other than that most European women are good for an STR, but are lousy wives in comparison to Asian women.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The only white women that might be cut out for LTRs are Israelis(most Israelis are not white), other than that most European women are good for an STR, but are lousy wives in comparison to Asian women.[/QUOTE]
Depends on your definition of white... :) But yeah, Israeli women are hot.

Asians great wives? I'd never marry one... too jealous and too conniving... and for me, too boring.

What's wrong with Euro women for LTR? Every one I've ever been with was faithful (to my knowledge) and would have been in it for the long haul if I wasn't the one to pull the plug.

Imho women are all the same the world over. O there may be cultural differences. But deep down they want security. Whereas most men want variety. A man is only as loyal as his options. Thay is why I love visiting the Philippines, I have so many options. LOL. Like a cat in a fish store. Meluvulongtime

[QUOTE=Meluvulongtime]Imho women are all the same the world over. O there may be cultural differences. But deep down they want security. Whereas most men want variety. A man is only as loyal as his options. Thay is why I love visiting the Philippines, I have so many options. LOL. Like a cat in a fish store. Meluvulongtime[/QUOTE]Pretty much, of course, we all have our opinions, but one can find a good woman anywhere in the world, and bad ones as well!

Some people have a very ambiguous definition of white, in the US people of Southern European and South American origin are white. In Europe that usually reserved for Northern Euros. Aussies have a very unpc definition WOG, and non WOG.

I read all the posts on inter-racial relations with great interest.

I live in the UK, married to a black African with two "cafe au lait" kids, but have traveled extensively in the US.

From my perspective the situations described are as much a comment on the social divisions in the US than any underlying black/white dynamic. I can understand why, from a social and historical perspective, but I'm still always surprised by the racial divide that still exists in the US. While the workplace is integrated, people that work together still seem to split into their own communities as soon as the work day ends.

In the UK there really isn't the focus or interest in mixed relationships, as they are so commonplace. And thinking about it, I don't think there's any real difference in prevalence between WF/BM or BF/WM relationships. In the big cities people just mix without too much baggage attached. Don't get me wrong, the UK is no social nirvana, and there are a lot of social issues that exist (including an unhealthy dose of racism) but the racial divisions and tensions aren't (in my opinion) high up on the list of issues.

From an outsiders point of view things in the US do seem to be changing when I compare my first visit to the US 10 years ago (though the thought of my family and I visiting my wife's sisters in Houston does fill me with slight trepidation...). My hope is that Barack Obama becomes the next US President, as the presence of a mixed race leader, is such a strong statement about the changing and egalitarian nature of US society.

Please don't get me wrong I'm not knocking the US. I have a great affinity for and liking of the US, it's just that I want to give another perspective.

Cheers

Norman

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Don't know where you are getting this information from, but it sure seems like I see about 100 BM/WF couples for every 1 BF/WM couple. Black women are known to be very shrewish and combative, and I get the feeling that their personality types are made only for black men. Very few white men roll that way, even if they could get a reasonably attractive woman amongst blacks.

And there is a point of contention that a lot of black men who *are* decent (of income and education) marry white women, and when you see one of these guys with a girl in some public place you'll see that they get the most dirty looks from: 1) White men (especially if they are out with their cafe-au-lait children) and; 2) Black women. It does not even have to be that good of a black guy for the couple to get hell. I remember once being at a grocery store and there was a BM/WF couple. They were both ugly (her butt had the exact same shape as a sack of potatoes) and the cashier (a WF) all of a sudden got very interested in playing with the baby of the customer in front of her and making faces at it than she was in serving the two customers. The white woman (of the couple) shoved some of the merchandise in her face to get the transaction started. They went through the line and she served me (a black guy) with no problems. I guess there were no problems with black men-- as long as they were not with white women. (This was in East Alton, Illinois, BTW).[/QUOTE]

Dj FourMoney,

While I've been banging on in an earlier post about the UK being an integrated society, Croatia and EE is less so. My advice is come over, you'll have a blast, but concentrate on Scandinavia or Northern Europe. As Dr Skank says you'll find plenty on ladies, but won't have to deal with any racist bullshit. Oh and whatever you do, you MUST visit the FKK clubs in Germany. Now that's living and mongering.

Cheers

Norman

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Doc you are the man... Rockstar status? lol

Yes some DO go back, some women turn lez too, but that's another thread.

I think I am on the right track as well and competition is low, so I agree. EE is just interesting and generally untapped market.

Why not invest a little money and come up with buried treasure???

Tell you what I need to seriously invest about 6 months in Europe to truly find what I want. Got any time shares??? lol[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Some people have a very ambiguous definition of white, in the US people of Southern European and South American origin are white. In Europe that usually reserved for Northern Euros. Aussies have a very unpc definition WOG, and non WOG.[/QUOTE]
'Wog' describes a specific ethnic community. It used to be an insult, but thanks to some high-profile Greek comedians in the late 80's, the term was embraced by many in the Greek community, who now self-identify as 'Wogs'.

Our un-PC labels are nothing to do with being non-white. White people from other countries are also fair game (Seppos, Krauts and Poms, for example), as are white Australians (Skips). White Australians even have labels for other white Australians (like mullet and yobbo). In Australia, everyone and everything has a nickname.

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]'Wog' describes a specific ethnic community. It used to be an insult, but thanks to some high-profile Greek comedians in the late 80's, the term was embraced by many in the Greek community, who now self-identify as 'Wogs'.

Our un-PC labels are nothing to do with being non-white. White people from other countries are also fair game (Seppos, Krauts and Poms, for example), as are white Australians (Skips). White Australians even have labels for other white Australians (like mullet and yobbo). In Australia, everyone and everything has a nickname.[/QUOTE]

Wog seems to be used to describe anyone whose family origin is from the Mediterranean and Arab countries. I am familiar with yobbo and bogan.
Different countries have different views of what is white, from what I have seen, Italians and Greeks in Australia are not considered white. This is the same in some European countries such as Germany and the UK. In North America both groups are white.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Different countries have different views of what is white, from what I have seen, Italians and Greeks in Australia are not considered white. This is the same in some European countries such as Germany and the UK. In North America both groups are white.[/QUOTE]

True. However, different groups within a country have different views on what is White. In Canada, Greeks, Italians, Armenians, Arabs, etc. ie. southern Europeans and north Africans, are [i]nominally[/i] White. But Canadians of English, Irish, Scottish, or French descent don't see them as equally White as they are.

All Europeans are White, but some are more White than others.

[QUOTE=NormanBrightside]Dj FourMoney,

While I've been banging on in an earlier post about the UK being an integrated society, Croatia and EE is less so. My advice is come over, you'll have a blast, but concentrate on Scandinavia or Northern Europe. As Dr Skank says you'll find plenty on ladies, but won't have to deal with any racist bullshit. Oh and whatever you do, you MUST visit the FKK clubs in Germany. Now that's living and mongering.

Cheers

Norman[/QUOTE]

Search my screen name, I have been to FKK Oase and World already...

I was in Kiev already, search the Ukraine threads...

My time in Scandinavia was "uneventful"? I lack a tiny bit of self confidence, because of that I didn't take advantage of my situation as well I should have. I will not make the same mistake twice and I am lining up the talent again online...

Failure is not an option, I will be 38 in Aug

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Different countries have different views of what is white, from what I have seen, Italians and Greeks in Australia are not considered white.[/QUOTE]
Contrary to popular belief, the cities of Sydney and Melbourne do not constitute 'Australia' as a whole. (They have their own unique racial tensions that the rest of the country does not). George90 hit the nail on the head in his post below - I think most Australians view 'degrees of whiteness' in the same way.

The original conversation was about mixed raced relationships, which is kind of a different thing anyway. I would not consider an Italian woman with an Anglo Aussie as a 'mixed race' couple. I would see them as a white couple. An Aboriginal man with a Japanese woman would be mixed race (black/Asian), as would a Chinese man with a Lebanese woman (Asian/white). Only if I had to provide specific details about a person's ethnicity - say, when describing an offender to police - would I describe a Greek or Italian as anything other than 'white'.

Sorry to bang on, but I would hate to have people around the world thinking the average Aussie of Anglo-Saxon descent sees everyone else as some kind of 'other'. That's simply not the case.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Search my screen name, I have been to FKK Oase and World already...

I was in Kiev already, search the Ukraine threads...

My time in Scandinavia was "uneventful"? I lack a tiny bit of self confidence, because of that I didn't take advantage of my situation as well I should have. I will not make the same mistake twice and I am lining up the talent again online...

Failure is not an option, I will be 38 in Aug[/QUOTE]Did you hit the "Hip Hop" venues? You are a brother and a DJ, I would expect that to earn you some amount of cool points.

To be honest mate, I don't have the time or inclination to do a background check on everyone I post to. Sounds like you're doing your homework for the next trip so good luck.

Cheers

Norman

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Search my screen name, I have been to FKK Oase and World already...

I was in Kiev already, search the Ukraine threads...

My time in Scandinavia was "uneventful"? I lack a tiny bit of self confidence, because of that I didn't take advantage of my situation as well I should have. I will not make the same mistake twice and I am lining up the talent again online...

Failure is not an option, I will be 38 in Aug[/QUOTE]

Forget this talk about interracial relationships and let's talk about locating some pussy.

Can anyone tell me the difference between a White, Black, Asian, Hispanic pussy?? The last time I checked they all looked the same and felt GOOD!!!!

[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Forget this talk about interracial relationships and let's talk about locating some pussy.

Can anyone tell me the difference between a White, Black, Asian, Hispanic pussy?? The last time I checked they all looked the same and felt GOOD!!!![/QUOTE]
Check again, they don't look the same.

But yes, they all feel good... :)

I had a night in bed with a hot Arab girl last night. She's whiter than me, and I'm white. Enough of this skin-color stuff - I'm glad I'm color-blind. Girls of all nations are beautiful. (Except New York women - they just don't do it for me. ;)) .

[QUOTE=Piper1]I had a night in bed with a hot Arab girl last night. She's whiter than me, and I'm white. Enough of this skin-color stuff - I'm glad I'm color-blind. Girls of all nations are beautiful. (Except New York women - they just don't do it for me. ;)) .[/QUOTE]
Yummy, Arab chicks!

Man, it's been ages since I screwed an Asian chick or a black chick. I need to get back on that... maybe I need to hit a FKK soon to get my ethno-groove back on... :)

30 minutes hardly qualifies for LTR though... :)

Hi Piper,

You sure are a very lucky guy. I was in Beirut 2 years ago, the girls there are extremely well dressed and beautiful. White and hot as you describe. But still nothing beats Brazil. I am off to Jakarta and Bali for a week next month . This time I am travelling alone on a mongering trip. May be I'll jam up with our monger brothers in that forum for a good babe hunting trip.



[QUOTE=Piper1]I had a night in bed with a hot Arab girl last night. She's whiter than me, and I'm white. Enough of this skin-color stuff - I'm glad I'm color-blind. Girls of all nations are beautiful. (Except New York women - they just don't do it for me. ;)) .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Check again, they don't look the same.

But yes, they all feel good... :)[/QUOTE]

I'll tell ya, my second head can't tell the difference, they all feel so gooooood. :)

[QUOTE=Tercar 66]Hi Piper,

You sure are a very lucky guy. I was in Beirut 2 years ago, the girls there are extremely well dressed and beautiful. White and hot as you describe. But still nothing beats Brazil. I am off to Jakarta and Bali for a week next month . This time I am travelling alone on a mongering trip. May be I'll jam up with our monger brothers in that forum for a good babe hunting trip.[/QUOTE]She was fun (see photos in Jordan thread).

If I get my act together, I'll be in Brazil in a few months (Sao Paulo thanks to your travel advice, then Rio). Sao Paulo is looking good, if you check out the blonde posted in the photo section today by Goatboy55 - wow!

Jakarta and Bali are on my list for next year. I'm glad you get to all these places before me - I benefit from your advice!

I really feel for long term relationship best region would be most of Latin America (with the exception of Argentina, Chile and Puerto Rico). I found the girls in those locations, kind of cold and a little money hungry. I am sure there are guys who would disagree with me but I have traveled extensively in these countries.

My favorite for LTR has to be Guatemala,Honduras and Peru. In these countries, you can find nice girls looking for love and romance.

I used a service to find a Latin girlfriend in which they advertised me in specific countries. I don't want to plug them but if any guy is interested in the company, please P/M me and I will give you the details.

Armenians are as European as Turks and Iraqis, look on a map, Armenia is in Asia. As for Turkey only a tiny portion is in Europe, even the smarter ones in the EU finally know that Turkey is not Europe, it will never be an EU country, especially now that the USA's decline is guaranteed, the Euro is becoming a premiere world currency while the US Dollar goes into history.

A lot of Arabs have light skin, look at Britney's two friends in your local tabloid, Osama(Hahahaa he calls himself Sam) and Adnan, they could pass for Southern Europeans.

I could tell the difference between pussies, the smell, European females usually have a yogurt cheese or dairy like odor, Asians smell more like soy sauce and garlic, Arabs are also a bit yogurty, reflective of diet. Eating certain kinds of food will give you certain body odors. You can often tell if a person is an alcoholic by body odor.

As for who is white or not in Australia, whatever. I guess that fracas that happened a few years ago in Cronulla wasn't race riot according to RN, Anglos(white) vs. Lebanese(white).

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] I could tell the difference between pussies, the smell, European females usually have a yogurt cheese or dairy like odor, Asians smell more like soy sauce and garlic, Arabs are also a bit yogurty, reflective of diet. [/QUOTE]Well I guess the girl I had the other night must eat a lot of pizza. ;)

Adnan Ghalib claims to have a Britney Spears porno film which is planning to sell for a lot of money. I am sure it will be on the web real soon. I was rolling on the floor when I found out Britney was hanging out with guys named Osama and Adnan, I thought she seemed like a pretty conservative Southern white girl.

As I said Arab/Turkish/Armenian Borat wifey type women usually have a lot of yogurt in their diets, and hence the odor. Piper, I guess that girl was a little different.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Adnan Ghalib claims to have a Britney Spears porno film which is planning to sell for a lot of money. [/QUOTE]
Oh man, that would be too pathetic. What kind of dumb ass girl let's herself be videotaped sucking some guys dick??!

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]As for who is white or not in Australia, whatever. I guess that fracas that happened a few years ago in Cronulla wasn't race riot according to RN, Anglos(white) vs. Lebanese(white).[/QUOTE]
That was a clash of cultures, not colours. And one fight in one city does not a racist country make.

Anyway, this is the LTR thread and the whole reason I took issue with your original comment is that when it comes to sex and love, the [i]average[/i] Aussie woman is colour-blind. The main thing we're concerned about is how women are treated in the man's country/culture of origin. Australian girls don't take kindly to being pushed around or silenced! If posters are considering Oz as a country for LTR, their personal attitude towards women should be taken into consideration. Their skin colour is irrelevant.

PS. Doc, is there something wrong with my graphics display, or is that thing in her mouth nearly two feet long?! My God, that could take someone's eye out! Is it yours? (and if so...what's your phone number! :) )

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]PS. Doc, is there something wrong with my graphics display, or is that thing in her mouth nearly two feet long?! My God, that could take someone's eye out! Is it yours? (and if so...what's your phone number! :) )[/QUOTE]
It's mine and I'm renting it out by the hour, no batteries required. For you I'll even throw in an extra massage... :)

[QUOTE=KnickFan]Did you hit the "Hip Hop" venues? You are a brother and a DJ, I would expect that to earn you some amount of cool points.[/QUOTE]

In Which Countries?

I had no help on the ground in Sweden. If I had known where to go in town, I am sure I would have found "something".

I was at a club that played some hardcore hip hop in Bergen, Norway and it was dead...lol In another club that played a more "dance" oriented form of hip hop, was pretty good. I made eye contact with one girl and I felt she was interested but as I said I lack a tiny bit and never made a move, and I think she was waiting for me to do so. I lost out, I hit up the coat check girl, she was down, had man, if I was in a position to offer something better then I would have and who knows???

In Germany, I was in Frankfurt - Case Closed

Where I needed to be (so I am told) was near a US Military installation... Now that sounds pretty obvious right? I blew that idea off, as fluke, but I guess its not. I recently put 2+2 together and that is consistent with the locations of German women on Interracial Dating sites.

Okay I get it now...

In Kiev, I wasn't in town long enough (2 nights 3 days) yes I know Cruiser D could do alot of damage in 72 hours but can't speak any Russian but for words that already apart of the English language...lol

More time is needed clearly.

So yes 2nd trip to Europe will produce better results but I'll be more selective in my visits. I am looking at Denmark, Norway and Germany as my destinations next time.

I have made contact with a very attractive Bulgarian single mother (why me?) but she's far enough up the looks scale and her son is young enough (2) to allow me to overlook her single mother status...

Currently in the planning stages....

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] As I said Arab/Turkish/Armenian Borat wifey type women usually have a lot of yogurt in their diets, and hence the odor. Piper, I guess that girl was a little different.[/QUOTE]It was a joke, Fred.
____

Rubber Nursey - don't be fooled by Dr. Skank. Here's his original photo. :D

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]In Which Countries?

I had no help on the ground in Sweden. If I had known where to go in town, I am sure I would have found "something".

I was at a club that played some hardcore hip hop in Bergen, Norway and it was dead...lol In another club that played a more "dance" oriented form of hip hop, was pretty good. I made eye contact with one girl and I felt she was interested but as I said I lack a tiny bit and never made a move, and I think she was waiting for me to do so. I lost out, I hit up the coat check girl, she was down, had man, if I was in a position to offer something better then I would have and who knows???

In Germany, I was in Frankfurt - Case Closed

Where I needed to be (so I am told) was near a US Military installation... Now that sounds pretty obvious right? I blew that idea off, as fluke, but I guess its not. I recently put 2+2 together and that is consistent with the locations of German women on Interracial Dating sites.

Okay I get it now...

In Kiev, I wasn't in town long enough (2 nights 3 days) yes I know Cruiser D could do alot of damage in 72 hours but can't speak any Russian but for words that already apart of the English language...lol

More time is needed clearly.

So yes 2nd trip to Europe will produce better results but I'll be more selective in my visits. I am looking at Denmark, Norway and Germany as my destinations next time.

I have made contact with a very attractive Bulgarian single mother (why me?) but she's far enough up the looks scale and her son is young enough (2) to allow me to overlook her single mother status...

Currently in the planning stages....[/QUOTE]
I think Eastern Europe would beat all locales in Western Europe easy.

[QUOTE=Piper1]It was a joke, Fred. I actually meant 'anchovy pizza'. ;)

Rubber Nursey - don't be fooled by Dr. Skank. Here's his original photo. :D[/QUOTE]
What, 2 feet wide? :))

Ok, enough dick pictures.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]In Which Countries?

I had no help on the ground in Sweden. If I had known where to go in town, I am sure I would have found "something".

I was at a club that played some hardcore hip hop in Bergen, Norway and it was dead...lol In another club that played a more "dance" oriented form of hip hop, was pretty good. I made eye contact with one girl and I felt she was interested but as I said I lack a tiny bit and never made a move, and I think she was waiting for me to do so. I lost out, I hit up the coat check girl, she was down, had man, if I was in a position to offer something better then I would have and who knows???

In Germany, I was in Frankfurt - Case Closed

Where I needed to be (so I am told) was near a US Military installation... Now that sounds pretty obvious right? I blew that idea off, as fluke, but I guess its not. I recently put 2+2 together and that is consistent with the locations of German women on Interracial Dating sites.

Okay I get it now...

In Kiev, I wasn't in town long enough (2 nights 3 days) yes I know Cruiser D could do alot of damage in 72 hours but can't speak any Russian but for words that already apart of the English language...lol

More time is needed clearly.

So yes 2nd trip to Europe will produce better results but I'll be more selective in my visits. I am looking at Denmark, Norway and Germany as my destinations next time.

I have made contact with a very attractive Bulgarian single mother (why me?) but she's far enough up the looks scale and her son is young enough (2) to allow me to overlook her single mother status...

Currently in the planning stages....[/QUOTE]
72 hours in one city isn't enough to get much started unless you have previous contacts. At least 1 day is more or less lost just getting your feet on the ground and resting up. No matter where you go, I'd try to spend at least 7-10 days there rather than trying for 2-3 days here, 2-3 there... at best, you'd spend 3 weeks in one place... but then maybe you'd never leave.. :)

I've said it before, I think you ought to play to your strengths. With some girls, being black and knowing music is a strength. Don't be shy.

As for US military bases, what you are going to get there (and what you've seen on the dating sites) are primarily going to be cast-offs. Girls that like black guys, get themselves knocked up and then afterwards make the rounds. Sounds rude, but in the army we called them "mud sharks". Black guys used this term to describe them as well BTW.. :) There is the advantage that girls in those areas are going to be used to GIs and black Americans. That's both a good and a bad thing. May be best to stay out of the hardcore US-dominated places like K-town if you are looking for something fresh however.... a larger place like Frankfurt would yield the most black clubs. Places like Cologne or Hamburg are also going to have a vibrant club scene. I've been to hiphop clubs in Cologne... I wasn't black enough to score...:)

Going for a few days is not going to cut it in Europe, whoever you run into will want to get to know you.

I don't remember where I saw the thread, but I agree that HONDURAS and GUATEMALA are the best countries for LTR.

For me, Costa Rica and Panama the girls act like American women.

For me, Peru is the best country for LTR. The capital Lima has over 10 million people and seems to consists of young women. Also, Peruvians generally like Americans.

[QUOTE=Thomas]For me, Peru is the best country for LTR. The capital Lima has over 10 million people and seems to consists of young women. Also, Peruvians generally like Americans.[/QUOTE]

Not so sure about Peruvian women. I know a Peruvian lady living in the U.S. of A and she is one fucked up woman, her mother too. I'm just sorry for the AM she married, she's only with him for his money....so I've been told.

In general stay away from all white countries if you are looking for LTR. Asian and South American countries are the best for LTRs.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]In general stay away from all white countries if you are looking for LTR. Asian and South American countries are the best for LTRs.[/QUOTE]

Dude, just because you are white..does not mean..whole planet earth hates whites women...its always grass is greener on the other side thing..lots of asian and african men..would love to hang around with a white women..

white girls are in demand in japan and china

we don't like our species either.so an american, european women will do :)

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Dude, just because you are white..does not mean..whole planet earth hates whites women...its always grass is greener on the other side thing..lots of asian and african men..would love to hang around with a white women..

white girls are in demand in japan and china

we don't like our species either.so an american, european women will do :)[/QUOTE]

The ONLY reason American women are in demand is because Hollywood has force fed American movies/popular culture to every nook and cranny of the world. I'll take a European woman any day over an AW.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Dude, just because you are white..does not mean..whole planet earth hates whites women...its always grass is greener on the other side thing..lots of asian and african men..would love to hang around with a white women..

white girls are in demand in japan and china

we don't like our species either.so an american, european women will do :)[/QUOTE]
Well the Japanese and the Chinese don't know how good they got it, they want white women because they are snared by the media images of blonde and busty girls. I met an Asian guy in Australia who married a white girl and got divorced, he is depressed out of his mind, now wants another white girl, he thinks a white girl is going to be like an Asian and cook, clean, and be his servant, no chance in hell. Looking at a lot of Asian women, they have porcelain white skin, in fact, the yellow women I see in Australia are of AngloCeltic origin, take a look at a lot of Australian models like Elle McPherson, they have a goldish glow.

I saw another guy in Sydney, he had four Asian girls sitting with him in a restaurant feeding him, and they probably went home and quadruple teamed him in bed. I am guessing they were Malaysian or Singaporean, light complexioned but not pale enough to Japanese/Korean, one of them even made a pass at me, but I had company, so I did not want to get smacked on the head.

A lot of Arab and Turkish women are also quite stunning but their boneheaded men want blondes.

There are some nationalities of white females that I like, the Russians and Ukrainians, they look white but on the inside they are very Eastern. Other Eastern Euros are also amazing.

The only Western Euros that are decent are Spanish and Italians. Germans are actually Central Europeans, of the modern high tech countries German women are quite good.

Sicilian women are my most favorite of Western European women. I agree with you on the White women aspect of not being as "homebodied" as Asian women, as a whole. Latina's are also a lot like Asian women in being more "homebodied" as opposed to White women, as a whole. Sicilian women are pretty much "homebodied" from my experiences, although I've never actually been to the Sicilian province (hoping to go there one day). I agree with you on Asian men not knowing how good they got it with Asian women. I also see a lot of Arab guys not knowing how good they have it with their women. I think that the reason a lot of Arab and Asian men like blondes, is because of "opposites attract" rule. I'm blonde/blue, but I am just naturally far more attracted to women of traditionally non-Anglo features (Asian, Black, Arab, Latina and even Native American). Although, I would sacrifice my tastes for a woman who considered my pleasure and satisfaction over her's any day of the week. Typically, White women are not into serving her man, as are Asian, Latina's and Arab women are, but most especially Asian women. My current gf right now is Filipino/Chinese mix. She is totally submissive and I am pretty much the boss. She does have a mind of her own and I hope I am not implying that she has a "slaves" mentality, but I am still the "man" and she is the "woman, " so to speak. She cooks, cleans and even asks my permission to do certain things. I love it, LOL! But, I do treat her very well and I am not a domineering "a$$hole. " You would be extremely hard-pressed to find a White girl with a mentality like this, unless, of course, you found a conservative Sicilian girl that still had traditional values and was raised to be submissive.

This is just my take from my experiences and observations

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]72 hours in one city isn't enough to get much started unless you have previous contacts. At least 1 day is more or less lost just getting your feet on the ground and resting up. No matter where you go, I'd try to spend at least 7-10 days there rather than trying for 2-3 days here, 2-3 there... at best, you'd spend 3 weeks in one place... but then maybe you'd never leave.. :)

I've said it before, I think you ought to play to your strengths. With some girls, being black and knowing music is a strength. Don't be shy.

As for US military bases, what you are going to get there (and what you've seen on the dating sites) are primarily going to be cast-offs. Girls that like black guys, get themselves knocked up and then afterwards make the rounds. Sounds rude, but in the army we called them "mud sharks". Black guys used this term to describe them as well BTW.. :) There is the advantage that girls in those areas are going to be used to GIs and black Americans. That's both a good and a bad thing. May be best to stay out of the hardcore US-dominated places like K-town if you are looking for something fresh however.... a larger place like Frankfurt would yield the most black clubs. Places like Cologne or Hamburg are also going to have a vibrant club scene. I've been to hiphop clubs in Cologne... I wasn't black enough to score...:)[/QUOTE]

Nothing rude about that at all Doc, just the plain simple truth and that is what I saw on dating sites.

Frankfurt was somewhat of a bomb, I knew somebody there and that's why I went. I ended up in a hostel anyway, so that was somewhat pointless.

I didn't envison going down to US bases, it would seem too obvious -

American in town, not in the military, why was I here????

Seeing that most of these towns are not tourist attractions... Like I wanna go on a base tour...

Cologne and Hamburg are on the short list however...

I was actually going to write-off Germany considering what I have dug up so far is not ideal. You know the stories these women have are carbon-copies of each other...

I tried not to be shy, sometimes it worked other times I didn't try and nothing happen. I was in American mode for awhile until about my 10th day and I was in Norway.

I got agressive but nothing came out of it, want pictures? lol

That's all I got was pictures -

One German student, One English (British) student and Law major from Georgia Tech.

Eh, there's certain American teacher though lives in Palm Springs, ain't that cute actually, I called her once and she was down I knew she was, prolly doesn't date much. I never called her back, that was about 2 months ago, I am not really interested.

Its time to to back to Europe....

You can't go to Europe expecting to find a life partner in a few days, you need to live there for an extended period of time to get to know someone.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]You can't go to Europe expecting to find a life partner in a few days, you need to live there for an extended period of time to get to know someone.[/QUOTE]

I know, I am working on it.... :)

Listen I tell you what, just telling this " in public " would bring you deep in trouble with a german woman. A german woman needs time to feel comfortable with a guy. BUT. Asking for permission to do this or that would never ever happen on a more dayly base.

So enjoy what you have, because you start to understand what you had when its gone. And BTW sicilian women are the " capo majore " in the house, and thats not so funny when you have a conflict !

Sicilian women are my most favorite of Western European women. I agree with you on the White women aspect of not being as "homebodied" as Asian women, as a whole. Latina's are also a lot like Asian women in being more "homebodied" as opposed to White women, as a whole. Sicilian women are pretty much "homebodied" from my experiences, although I've never actually been to the Sicilian province (hoping to go there one day). I agree with you on Asian men not knowing how good they got it with Asian women. I also see a lot of Arab guys not knowing how good they have it with their women. I think that the reason a lot of Arab and Asian men like blondes, is because of "opposites attract" rule. I'm blonde/blue, but I am just naturally far more attracted to women of traditionally non-Anglo features (Asian, Black, Arab, Latina and even Native American). Although, I would sacrifice my tastes for a woman who considered my pleasure and satisfaction over her's any day of the week. Typically, White women are not into serving her man, as are Asian, Latina's and Arab women are, but most especially Asian women. My current gf right now is Filipino/Chinese mix. She is totally submissive and I am pretty much the boss. She does have a mind of her own and I hope I am not implying that she has a "slaves" mentality, but I am still the "man" and she is the "woman, " so to speak. She cooks, cleans and even asks my permission to do certain things. I love it, LOL! But, I do treat her very well and I am not a domineering "a$$hole. " You would be extremely hard-pressed to find a White girl with a mentality like this, unless, of course, you found a conservative Sicilian girl that still had traditional values and was raised to be submissive.

This is just my take from my experiences and observations.

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This message written by Scott:

[quote]This story is for all the “sex-tourists” who may be reading posts or posting on this message board.

A couple weeks ago I was on an Air Moldova flight from Moldova to Frankfurt. In the seat next to me was a very cute sweet girl who was 25 years old, she could speak English and understand if I spoke slowly.

We had small talk at first, then she asked me what I was doing in Moldova. I explained to her that I met a girl on the internet, and traveled to meet her. She asked me if I cared for her, and if I would see her again. I told her that I cared very much for her, and that we were planning a future together, and that I already missed her.

She started crying. I asked her why she was crying, and she told me that she had also met a man from the internet, he came and stayed with her for two weeks, promising her the world, but it was all a lie, and when he left, that was the last she heard from him.

She quit the internet dating game, and signed up through an agency to work in USA as a live in nanny.

So to all you sex tourists and assholes like RomanoV, I hope I get a chance to kick your ass for the crap you pull on these nice girls, and I hope that someday there is a law that puts your ass in jail for fraud.[/quote]My answer: this guy doesn't know what is a monger. He can't send lesson to us we do not marry these women we just fuck them!

[QUOTE=Romano V]This message written by Scott:

My answer: this guy doesn't know what is a monger. He can't send lesson to us we do not marry these women we just fuck them![/QUOTE]

Fraud?

How many times do men around the world get duped by women looking to take advantage of a situation?

Was the man she met dishonest?

Possibly

Had second thoughts?

Possibly

I do understand some women feel under pressure to "reward" you for traveling half way around the world, but its hardly a requirement and for anybody truly serious, not a deal breaker.

This guy has some nerve however, why is he taking what happen to this woman personally? Our government already does a great job in embarrassing us as travelers, this hardly paints a black eye on American men traveling to FSU promising the world and failing to deliver and what does this have to do with sex tourist???

Sure those looking for love in the FSU and those looking for a good time in the FSU are members of the same group of travelers but not one in the same.

Does he even know what a "Sex Tourist" looks like???

I've known several German women, but they were Jewish, so they were submissive. I have never known any non-Jewish German women, so I wouldn't know about them. I wouldn't be that dumb to discuss this with women around, ha-ha! Believe me, I know all about Sicilian women's tempers.

Their's are as bad as a "pissed" Latina's. When they're "pissed," you damn sure know it! Pretty much all of the Sicilian girl's that I have known have been devout Catholics and were submissive, although a couple weren't and had fiery tempers. Yahh, I am a lucky guy as far as having a nice girl that doesn't want to "rule" me. I hope I didn't make her sound too dependant, as she is not, but she does ask my permission on certain things, but has pretty much stopped now since she seen it wasn't necessary.

You are right, in not knowing how good you've got it until it's too late, then you want to kick yourself in the ass for screwing it up!

[QUOTE=Carnevalisticus]Listen I tell you what, just telling this " in public " would bring you deep in trouble with a german woman. A german woman needs time to feel comfortable with a guy. BUT. Asking for permission to do this or that would never ever happen on a more dayly base.

So enjoy what you have, because you start to understand what you had when its gone. And BTW sicilian women are the " capo majore " in the house, and thats not so funny when you have a conflict !

Sicilian women are my most favorite of Western European women. I agree with you on the White women aspect of not being as "homebodied" as Asian women, as a whole. Latina's are also a lot like Asian women in being more "homebodied" as opposed to White women, as a whole. Sicilian women are pretty much "homebodied" from my experiences, although I've never actually been to the Sicilian province (hoping to go there one day). I agree with you on Asian men not knowing how good they got it with Asian women. I also see a lot of Arab guys not knowing how good they have it with their women. I think that the reason a lot of Arab and Asian men like blondes, is because of "opposites attract" rule. I'm blonde/blue, but I am just naturally far more attracted to women of traditionally non-Anglo features (Asian, Black, Arab, Latina and even Native American). Although, I would sacrifice my tastes for a woman who considered my pleasure and satisfaction over her's any day of the week. Typically, White women are not into serving her man, as are Asian, Latina's and Arab women are, but most especially Asian women. My current gf right now is Filipino/Chinese mix. She is totally submissive and I am pretty much the boss. She does have a mind of her own and I hope I am not implying that she has a "slaves" mentality, but I am still the "man" and she is the "woman, " so to speak. She cooks, cleans and even asks my permission to do certain things. I love it, LOL! But, I do treat her very well and I am not a domineering "a$$hole. " You would be extremely hard-pressed to find a White girl with a mentality like this, unless, of course, you found a conservative Sicilian girl that still had traditional values and was raised to be submissive.

This is just my take from my experiences and observations.

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Man , you got it ! Congrats :-) !

And to the guy who is willing to kick some monger asses for fraud.

Listen my friend, the story has two sides : How many guys have been srewed by EE women for months , recieving hard earned cash for a pretended love affair which lead into a semi-katastrophy?

Girsl who had 2-3 " sponsors " at every finger.Ok, you hardly find these guys crying , sitting in an airplane next to you because they feel so damn used.You have been emotionaly touched by the tears of that lady, that honors you. BUT , do you know that her story was true?

Men usually are sillier when it comes to relations, and the fact is that the internet is full of fraud forums, and there you find allmost only men who give warnings about this and that girl.Think about my dear Robin Hood !

Yours,

C.

Okay I am finalizing my plans to return to Europe and for this tactic I think this belongs in this forum.

Where is the best place to stay for a short term accommodations?

Germany? Belgium? Britain? Scandinavia? FSU?

I feel a metro area would be best as I would like to use short distance/cheap plane travel to visit ladies in FSU and use Marriage/Dating Agencies.

I wanted to be Western Europe based because I haven't given up on Scandinavian or other EU ladies, time is my enemy when I travel, this is an effort to eliminate that. I wanted spend my "downtime" in an area were English is more widely spoken, shopping and general services are available in English.

This "smacks" of Britain or Germany IMHO, but I wanted to know what other options are out there. I do have a chance to land a flat in Germany later this year that's being vacated by a woman I know who's coming to America permanently.

This project is unique in that my ultimate goal is Marriage, that doesn't mean I can't monger in between that though I sincerely hope that need will diminish as time goes on.

I felt 6 months was plenty of time and that was the original plan, but looking at my financial situation and the fact it might be difficultly finding a job in any of these places (though I will explore DJ'ing in Europe), I narrowed it down to 2-3 months.

Thank You for any input you guys have, I love this forum!

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]

This project is unique in that my ultimate goal is Marriage, that doesn't mean I can't monger in between that though I sincerely hope that need will diminish as time goes on.

I felt 6 months was plenty of time and that was the original plan, but looking at my financial situation and the fact it might be difficultly finding a job in any of these places (though I will explore DJ'ing in Europe), I narrowed it down to 2-3 months.

Thank You for any input you guys have, I love this forum![/QUOTE]

I do not wanna discourage you, but do you think this is realistic?
In 3(!) months you wanna find a nice good-looking lady, bring her to the USA and she'll stay with you forever?

I really hope this will happen, but I'm wondering what are the chances.
There are already many foreign women in the USA, they are pretty much the same who you are gonna bring becomes in the future. Have you tried it? Of course there are few good exceptions(maybe!).

so far I am more and more convinced, that if you wanna marry, do not do it in this country, unless you do not care about your hard earned assets and anything else.

you also said you wanna speak only English. I'm sure you better try speak their language to be able to earn their real sympathy

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Okay I am finalizing my plans to return to Europe and for this tactic I think this belongs in this forum.

Where is the best place to stay for a short term accommodations?

Germany? Belgium? Britain? Scandinavia? FSU?

I feel a metro area would be best as I would like to use short distance/cheap plane travel to visit ladies in FSU and use Marriage/Dating Agencies.

I wanted to be Western Europe based because I haven't given up on Scandinavian or other EU ladies, time is my enemy when I travel, this is an effort to eliminate that. I wanted spend my "downtime" in an area were English is more widely spoken, shopping and general services are available in English.

This "smacks" of Britain or Germany IMHO, but I wanted to know what other options are out there. I do have a chance to land a flat in Germany later this year that's being vacated by a woman I know who's coming to America permanently.

This project is unique in that my ultimate goal is Marriage, that doesn't mean I can't monger in between that though I sincerely hope that need will diminish as time goes on.

I felt 6 months was plenty of time and that was the original plan, but looking at my financial situation and the fact it might be difficultly finding a job in any of these places (though I will explore DJ'ing in Europe), I narrowed it down to 2-3 months.

Thank You for any input you guys have, I love this forum![/QUOTE]

I feel too what you say is a little bit unrealistic but…

Just some practical advices an lessons (sorry)!

Start knowing basic Russian, it’s not so difficult, 4-5 hours lesson a week and a couple of good books and you will be able to get a basic conversation in Russian and not getting lost in the metro or taking the train…

By far the best city you can go to is Berlin. Several reasons.

A lot of night life so it might be easy to find a working place for you.

A lot of direct low cost flights to FSU. By the way you can also easily access, on ground you are not out for business, the cheap offers from most of the Star Alliance companies (Lufthansa, Austrian, Baltic, SAS, LOT) or others like KLM where you can fly below 350 USD via Amsterdam to everywhere.

If you are “budget” you could even take bus or train to Kiev or Minsk (20 hours approx.)

In Berlin you can still rent cheap flat in the Eastern part of the city (DDR renovated standard but dirty cheap).

Start using flirt, moslove or all this chats… (in English and Russian) and focus on one country (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia) and on a big or medium sized city (not Moscow!).

In might be that you find what you search, but it might be that you find a vacuum cleaner of your pockets :eek: so be careful.

I think that the only proper way to find a normal girl in Moscow or a similar city is to work and live there, not go mongering up and down… It may even be that an American DJ can find a well paid work there (have no idea, but surely for quality foreign workers the payment is much much higher than in Germany or Italy).

Last but not least LEARN RUSSIAN, frankly speaking I do not know why English speakers have such difficulties… in three months studying a little before and with 4-5 hour lessons a week can learn acceptable language, which enlarge your opportunities by four or five times!!!!

IT

[QUOTE=It Travel]Last but not least LEARN RUSSIAN, frankly speaking I do not know why [b]English speakers[/b] have such difficulties… in three months studying a little before and with 4-5 hour lessons a week can learn acceptable language, which enlarge your opportunities by four or five times!!!!

IT[/QUOTE]

It is a little off topic, but I have 2 ideas why English speakers don't find to easy to learn other languages.

1)
Low incentive because non-English speakers have huge motives to learn English. English is the language of international business, computer science, international air travel (Pilots and controllers converse in English when outside their home contries.) There is little reason to learn another language when so many others speak English.

2)
Unlike most other languages, English is not a [i]pure[/i] language. It is made up of several other languages, specifically, Latin, Greek, and German. As a result, there are NO universal grammar rules in English. A grammar rule may apply to the Latin part of English but not the Greek and German parts. For example, the word 'child' comes from German and its plural 'children' follows the German grammar rules. The word 'crisis' comes from Greek and its plural is 'crises' following the Greek grammar rules.

My point is that English speakers are not trained to learn, understand, identify, and follow universal grammar rules; we are trained to memorize them for each word, group of words, or situation. We learn a general rule, not a universal rule, and then memorize dozens of exceptions to the general rule. So when we learn another language, which has universal rules and few exceptions, English speakers find it more difficult to grasp. Our brains have not been trained and conditioned to deal with that type of grammar structure. And of course, since we are adults when learning this other language, the language receptors in our brains are already set and don't adapt well at all.

[QUOTE=George90]
Unlike most other languages, English is not a [i]pure[/i] language. I[/QUOTE]

There is no such thing as a pure language. Every modern language is a chock full of loan words. Every modern language has a lot of exceptions to any grammar rules.



The only reason why English speakers have a hard time is , as you yourself said, because many other people learn English, and because Americans, Brits, and other English speakers have always been reluctant to learn - since the mindset is that " everyone should speak English".

[QUOTE=Tbird]There is no such thing as a pure language. Every modern language is a chock full of [b]loan words[/b]. Every modern language has a lot of exceptions to any grammar rules. [/QUOTE]

Your statement is correct, but has no bearing on what I was referring to.

I did not refer to modern foreign 'loan words' in English such as 'savoir faire' or 'machismo'. I referred to [b]an entire basis of language[/b] brought to a region by a conquering or conquered people that is made an integral part of a [i]newly[/i] developing language.

In the area of the world that became known as England, repeated invasions by tribes from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany in the centuries before the Common Era left their mark on that region, partly through the language that came to be spoken there. A mostly germanic language was spoken there by the time the Romans conquered the region under Caesar. The Romans brought Latin as the language of administration and Greek as the language of scholarship. For the several hundred years England was under Rome's rule, these languages melded together and evolved into old English. During the next several centuries old English evolved into modern English with its German, Greek, and Latin roots intact.

That is completey different from foreign 'loan words'.

[QUOTE=George90]

In the area of the world that became known as England, repeated invasions by tribes from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany in the centuries before the Common Era left their mark on that region, partly through the language that came to be spoken there. A mostly germanic language was spoken there by the time the Romans conquered the region under Caesar. The Romans brought Latin as the language of administration and Greek as the language of scholarship. .[/QUOTE]

Completely incorrect. When the Romans arrived, the languages spoken in Britain were Celtic. Caesar did NOT conquer Britain, this was completed way past his death.

See here, for example:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_conquest_of_Britain[/url]

Old English (essentially Anglo-Saxon) was formed centuries later, way after the Romans withdrew from Britain in the early 400s CE. Only then did the Germanic tribes arrive,mainly Angles ( were the name England comes from), Saxons and Jutes. Old English was more or less formed in the 8th-9th centuries CE, not before the Roman arrival. You have your dates way off.

See here:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English[/url]

The Romans did not bring Greek to England to any significant extent. They sure brought Latin, which survived only in monastic learning.

George, I am sure you are very good at whatever you do for a living, but it certainly is not lingustics or language history.

[QUOTE=George90]Your statement is correct, but has no bearing on what I was referring to.

I did not refer to modern foreign 'loan words' in English such as 'savoir faire' or 'machismo'. I referred to [b]an entire basis of language[/b] brought to a region by a conquering or conquered people that is made an integral part of a [i]newly[/i] developing language.

.[/QUOTE]

English is simply a Germanic language, with the basis of the language thoroughly Germanic, with a strong strata of French and Latin loan words. There is nothing unusual about it.

French, for example is based on Latin - the language of a group of people who took over the region ( The Romans). So is Spanish. Before the Romans came, the languages spoken in Gaul were Celtic as well. Nothing different. Almost nothing remains of the ancient Iberian languages. Then the Visigoths came, and then the Arabs. It is the same almost everywhere.

English is not some weird language that messes up your brain!

In fact, one may argue that English is way easier than its sister languages, for example German - no genders to speak of ( German has 3), no cases ( German has 4). English spelling is fucked up, that is for sure.

English is the international language of business, science, and at least "popular" culture. This makes English speakers lazy and complacent. They are perfectly capable of learning another language, they just do not really want to. And no method will work if one does not really want to learn.

You can learn any language if you have the motivation and need. People learn Chinese, for God's sake - a devilishly difficult tonal language WITH NO ALPHABET. And here we have a whole board of mongers making up reasons why they cannot learn enough Spanish!

However you wish to criticize my arguments, you may. I respond by saying that there are legions of scholars who study the English language and every thing about it, who have written thousands of books on the history of the English language and its roots.

Furthermore, those authors force thousands of college students to enrol in English courses and buy those books. Those professors are teaching US college students that the English language was derived from German, Latin, and Greek. They teach these students how to recognize words which are of German, Latin, Greek, or some other origin. Read their books and argue with them about 'foreign loan words'.

In addition, the tens of thousands of students who try out for spelling bees each year are also taught the various linguistic roots of English as an aide to spelling.

I am not such a scholar and this is now WAY off topic. So I am out on it.

[QUOTE=George90]

Furthermore, those authors force thousands of college students to enrol in English courses and buy those books. Those professors are teaching US college students that the English language was derived from German, Latin, and Greek. [/QUOTE]

Please name ONE college professor ( verifiable) who actually teaches students in the US that English was derived from Greek.

If you can, I will immediately write to his/her university.

Tbird out.

Top ten reasons Americans, Brits, Ozzies, Kiwis, and Canucks do not learn another language:

1) Lazy
2) Ethnocentric
3) Sense of entitlement
4) Too busy watching TV
5) Uptight and too afraid of making mistakes
6) Think everyone should learn English (see #2 above)
7) No financial motivation to do so
8) Lazy, ethnocentric, with a massive sense of entitlement
9) Too fat to find the book store
10) Learned to sing "Hava negela hava" and thought that was sufficient

I'd be interested to know how a textbook author goes about "forcing students to enroll in courses." Do universities practice conscription?

[QUOTE=It Travel]I feel too what you say is a little bit unrealistic but…

Just some practical advices an lessons (sorry)!

Start knowing basic Russian, it’s not so difficult, 4-5 hours lesson a week and a couple of good books and you will be able to get a basic conversation in Russian and not getting lost in the metro or taking the train…

By far the best city you can go to is Berlin. Several reasons.

A lot of night life so it might be easy to find a working place for you.

A lot of direct low cost flights to FSU. By the way you can also easily access, on ground you are not out for business, the cheap offers from most of the Star Alliance companies (Lufthansa, Austrian, Baltic, SAS, LOT) or others like KLM where you can fly below 350 USD via Amsterdam to everywhere.

If you are “budget” you could even take bus or train to Kiev or Minsk (20 hours approx.)

In Berlin you can still rent cheap flat in the Eastern part of the city (DDR renovated standard but dirty cheap).

Start using flirt, moslove or all this chats… (in English and Russian) and focus on one country (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia) and on a big or medium sized city (not Moscow!).

In might be that you find what you search, but it might be that you find a vacuum cleaner of your pockets :eek: so be careful.

I think that the only proper way to find a normal girl in Moscow or a similar city is to work and live there, not go mongering up and down… It may even be that an American DJ can find a well paid work there (have no idea, but surely for quality foreign workers the payment is much much higher than in Germany or Italy).

Last but not least LEARN RUSSIAN, frankly speaking I do not know why English speakers have such difficulties… in three months studying a little before and with 4-5 hour lessons a week can learn acceptable language, which enlarge your opportunities by four or five times!!!!

IT[/QUOTE]

Hey guys I would stay much longer... But I'm saving for property, its hard to do both!

If I can find reasonable employement, I'll say. If I can get training here that will benefit me overseas, I'll do it.

I would learn Russian, just what use would it be back in the States though? Spanish is far more useful on a daily bases.

I agree with Dickhead though, those ARE the main reasons...

2-3 months is unrealistic, dayum I know that. But stranger things have happen and if I had just went to see German girl #1, I doubt I would be sitting in front of this PC, I'd be in BED with my woman..lol

But as I said before she didn't like being 2nd, oh well win some, loose some.

If there was such a thing as a Soul Mate and people were always holding out for that, divorce rates would be a hellava lot lower.

Anyway, I'll try and stay as long as I can.... I'll be quiting my current job in Nov, so we'll see what happens after that and what kind of time off I can get.

Hello,

I'm a shy American guy. May I ask, women from which countries will make the first move to show interest in you? For example, sustain eye contact, initiate a conversation or show interest in other ways. Its difficult for me to show my interest but I like when a women will send a signal she's interested in me. Thank you for any help.

[QUOTE=Charliegreen]Hello,

I'm a shy American guy. May I ask, women from which countries will make the first move to show interest in you? For example, sustain eye contact, initiate a conversation or show interest in other ways. Its difficult for me to show my interest but I like when a women will send a signal she's interested in me. Thank you for any help.[/QUOTE]

Let me just say this, if you are decent looking and carry yourself with confidence, you can get women from any every other country BUT America to make and sustain eye contact, initiate conversation and show some interest in you. I've been dating this very attractive Chinese gal and she thinks American women are crawling all over me and I tell her it is not the case at all.....she doesn't believe me.

[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Let me just say this, if you are decent looking and carry yourself with confidence, you can get women from any every other country BUT America to make and sustain eye contact, initiate conversation and show some interest in you. I've been dating this very attractive Chinese gal and she thinks American women are crawling all over me and I tell her it is not the case at all.....she doesn't believe me.[/QUOTE]Wrong.

If you can't initiate conversation and make the first move you can pretty much forget scoring with women period.

Exception to this rule is IMO situations where you stand out in a crowd in a women-appealing way.. i.e. super good-looking, somehow exotic or different or stinking rich.

In normal situations a guy will always have to initiate contact from Warsaw to Brussels, Madrid to Hong Kong.

Hello,

Thanks for your 2 comments. In which countries are the women most likely make the first move? Such as hold eye contact, smile at you or start a conversation.

Thanks again.

I agree with Skank for the most part... there are some some exceptions though, notably parts of the Dominican Republic. But you're still sunk if you can't respond in Spanish.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Top ten reasons Americans, Brits, Ozzies, Kiwis, and Canucks do not learn another language:

1) Lazy
2) Ethnocentric
3) Sense of entitlement
4) Too busy watching TV
5) Uptight and too afraid of making mistakes
6) Think everyone should learn English (see #2 above)
7) No financial motivation to do so
8) Lazy, ethnocentric, with a massive sense of entitlement
9) Too fat to find the book store
10) Learned to sing "Hava negela hava" and thought that was sufficient

I'd be interested to know how a textbook author goes about "forcing students to enroll in courses." Do universities practice conscription?[/QUOTE]


Cut some slack! You forgot #11. Too busy trying to survive in this overtaxed country! Am learning Spanish but have been running into some lousy teachers. I do better studying on my own with the many online sites. But I am very guilty of #1, #4!

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Top ten reasons Americans, Brits, Ozzies, Kiwis, and Canucks do not learn another language:

1) Lazy
2) Ethnocentric
3) Sense of entitlement
4) Too busy watching TV
5) Uptight and too afraid of making mistakes
6) Think everyone should learn English (see #2 above)
7) No financial motivation to do so
8) Lazy, ethnocentric, with a massive sense of entitlement
9) Too fat to find the book store
10) Learned to sing "Hava negela hava" and thought that was sufficient

I'd be interested to know how a textbook author goes about "forcing students to enroll in courses." Do universities practice conscription?[/QUOTE]They fought very hard in WW1 andWW2 so that they did not have to speak another language.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Cut some slack! You forgot #11. Too busy trying to survive in this overtaxed country! Am learning Spanish but have been running into some lousy teachers. I do better studying on my own with the many online sites. But I am very guilty of #1, #4![/QUOTE]

I'm very much #1 myself. So lazy in fact that I plan on living in a country were English is regularly spoken by the natives and that doesn't automatically mean Great Britain but that is most likely the best place for me to go seeking employment. I am considering a "scouting" mission early next year, say 10 days to talk to some people about working overseas.

Expat Blogs and Forums aren't that helpful. American Women are too often consumed with the local language and culture to really learn anything outside of the typical complaints about "customer service". These people usually are college educated and work in White Collar environments.

So they are not the best people to talk too about service sector or blue collar work, which is what I would easily qualify for. I think GB is my best bet as English though a bit different is the main language and in most of Western Europe its secondary, which still makes possible to live say in Belgium...

In any event, the plan is constantly in motion...

What's the best country for LTR in Carribbean Latin America ?

Here's my criteria:

1. Coastal Location
2. Lighter skinned women ( white/mestizo/indian)
3. Pretty women 18 - 29
4. Friendly, approachable - like western men
5. Willing to jump in the sack quickly

Of the following list, what's the best country ?

Colombia
Cuba
DR
Venezuela
Nicaraugua
Belize
Honduras

I am surprised it took this long to answer this question.

Anyhow from what I have heard you will likely find what you are looking for in Dominican Republic. Santiago and Cuba. Both countries are coastal, have light skin and all the rest. Colombia is mostly mestizo with some light skin and Venezuela is mostly mulatto from what I hear.

All the rest can't compete.

Any other answers are welcome.

[QUOTE=Water Boy]What's the best country for LTR in Carribbean Latin America ?

Here's my criteria:

1. Coastal Location
2. Lighter skinned women ( white/mestizo/indian)
3. Pretty women 18 - 29
4. Friendly, approachable - like western men
5. Willing to jump in the sack quickly

Of the following list, what's the best country ?

Colombia
Cuba
DR
Venezuela
Nicaraugua
Belize
Honduras[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charliegreen]Hello,

I'm a shy American guy. May I ask, women from which countries will make the first move to show interest in you? For example, sustain eye contact, initiate a conversation or show interest in other ways. Its difficult for me to show my interest but I like when a women will send a signal she's interested in me. Thank you for any help.[/QUOTE]Try Pattaya Thailand. You won't be able to beat the girls away with a shitty shit. My second reccomendation would be the Blue Marlin in San Jose Costa Rica. As long as you have cash you're a rock star.

Hoser

[QUOTE=Enigma84]I am surprised it took this long to answer this question.

Anyhow from what I have heard you will likely find what you are looking for in Dominican Republic. Santiago and Cuba. Both countries are coastal, have light skin and all the rest. Colombia is mostly mestizo with some light skin and Venezuela is mostly mulatto from what I hear.

All the rest can't compete.

Any other answers are welcome.[/QUOTE]

I had a beautiful G/F for LTR that I met through a "guide" on El Conde in Santo Domingo. She was medium tone, spoke enough English to compliment my crappy Espanol. She was enough to make me return about seven times over a 2-year period. It was very nice having a regular GFE.

Have not found anything like that in my many trips to Costa Rica because the girls are there for one purpose, to make money for them and their family. I imagine if you go away from the "girl" areas, its very possible to meet a non-pro, or even semi-pro. The only way you can do that in CR is if you spend bucks on them constantly. Then again, sometimes variety is the spice of life. Just MHO.

I always wanted to ask this of people that have travelled to alot of other continents.

How do women from Latin America compare to African women (especially West-Africa)?
I am not talking in terms of looks because personal taste very and anyone can find bags and bags of hot women in either continent. I am even thinking that the women can't be all that different since both continents are third world. however i am sure there are small differences here and there. Things like

1)good passionate sex
2)passionate personality
3)fun
4)romantic
5)commitment and dedication to the relationship.

Thanks and please feel free to tell me about any other marked differences you may spot

After 4 years in Thailand I married a Phili. Best days work I have ever done. My Guyanese of Indian origin with a British passport and wife of 20 years and Russian wife of 5 years were a huge disappointment. However remember all "women are a sometime thing" and "women are nothing but trouble".

Motto

Don't let you heart rule your head or your pocket.

Probably the best statement here is 'women are trouble'. and i agree women are women everywhere you go. there isn't much difference. what is it about the guyanese wife thet disappointed you. i heard the women are very down to earth.

anyway back to the topic of african vs latinas.

[QUOTE=Ham Yai]After 4 years in Thailand I married a Phili. Best days work I have ever done. My Guyanese of Indian origin with a British passport and wife of 20 years and Russian wife of 5 years were a huge disappointment. However remember all "women are a sometime thing" and "women are nothing but trouble".

Motto

Don't let you heart rule your head or your pocket.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn´t generalize about Latinas. There is an immense difference between a Chilean and a Peruvian, between a Colombian and a chica from Argentina (if you can call a girl from Argentina a Latin American, they don´t see themselves as such).

Off the top of my head, and there are probably plenty who disagree with me (for example I don´t have much experience with Brazilians) my top three Latin American ranking for LTR girls would be:

1. Peruvians
2. Ecuadorians
3. Paraguayans

Bottom three:

1. Chileans
2. Argentinians
3. Venezuelans

[QUOTE=Master Yoda]How do women from Latin America compare to African women (especially West-Africa)?
I am even thinking that the women can't be all that different since both continents are third world...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, like women from Italy and Sweden and Arkansas and New York aren't all that different because they come from first world countries.

I would agree that amongst South America women, a lot of Chilean and Argentinian women are more European than Latin.

[QUOTE=David_33]I wouldn´t generalize about Latinas. There is an immense difference between a Chilean and a Peruvian, between a Colombian and a chica from Argentina (if you can call a girl from Argentina a Latin American, they don´t see themselves as such).

Off the top of my head, and there are probably plenty who disagree with me (for example I don´t have much experience with Brazilians) my top three Latin American ranking for LTR girls would be:

1. Peruvians
2. Ecuadorians
3. Paraguayans

Bottom three:

1. Chileans
2. Argentinians
3. Venezuelans[/QUOTE]

The best women in the world for LTR or marriage are DEFINITELY moslem women. They are raised to respect, obey, be loyal and supportive to their husbands. They don't usually smoke, drink alcohol and most have never put a foot in a bar, disco or nightclub.

Also, they usually have NEVER heard of feminism.

And most of them are virgins waiting to give it to a good, serious man. The best part is that the mans age is usually NOT important, and a 50 year old man marrying a 20-25 year old girl is perfectly normal.

Also, to start a relation with them is very easy. Just observe which girl you really like and think you could marry, then get some info about her or follow her to her home or where she works or studies. Get the address where she lives, and then go knock at the door and introduce yourself to her family.

Believe me, they will WELCOME you and will be very polite towards you for being a pretender to marry their daughter. They will usually serve you tea or coffee and pastries while they ask some info about you.

If they like you and approve of you, they will bless the relation and there you go: A beautiful, young virgin that is totally yours and yours only!

Why go through the headache and dissapointments of trying a LTR in other countries when it is sooo easy in moslem countries!

In my opinion the most beautiful, sexy girls in the moslem world are in:

1) Lebanon
2) Syria
3) Iran
4) Turkey
5) Morocco

Also, ypu will have an educcated wife since most of them , in order not to stay home in their teenage years,go to University.
You cant go wrong with a moslem wife !!!!

You and I have some VERY different standards brotherman.

I'm looking for a woman that will pull her weight financially. I'm not sure such a thing exists :P

[QUOTE=Nolies]The best women in the world for LTR or marriage are DEFINITELY moslem women. They are raised to respect, obey, be loyal and supportive to their husbands. They don't usually smoke, drink alcohol and most have never put a foot in a bar, disco or nightclub.

Also, they usually have NEVER heard of feminism.

And most of them are virgins waiting to give it to a good, serious man. The best part is that the mans age is usually NOT important, and a 50 year old man marrying a 20-25 year old girl is perfectly normal.

Also, to start a relation with them is very easy. Just observe which girl you really like and think you could marry, then get some info about her or follow her to her home or where she works or studies. Get the address where she lives, and then go knock at the door and introduce yourself to her family.

Believe me, they will WELCOME you and will be very polite towards you for being a pretender to marry their daughter. They will usually serve you tea or coffee and pastries while they ask some info about you.

If they like you and approve of you, they will bless the relation and there you go: A beautiful, young virgin that is totally yours and yours only!

Why go through the headache and dissapointments of trying a LTR in other countries when it is sooo easy in moslem countries!

In my opinion the most beautiful, sexy girls in the moslem world are in:

1) Lebanon
2) Syria
3) Iran
4) Turkey
5) Morocco

Also, ypu will have an educcated wife since most of them , in order not to stay home in their teenage years,go to University.
You cant go wrong with a moslem wife !!!![/QUOTE]


Uhhh... all I can say is NO WAY. The Muslim girls in Malaysia and Indonesia are the ones who have feminity.

I am talking mainly about Egyptian girls since I am from Egypt, but they must be similar to the rest. I have also been to Lebanon various times and I see the same attitudes. Yes, they don't drink or go to nightclubs. But in recent years, they have become so feminist that they took the best traits out of American women (feminism, wearing tight jeans and make-up, poor care of their bodies, cannot cook clean or fuck) and mixed it with their own conservative nature. It says in the Koran that as long as the wife and husband are in good health the man is supposed to fuck her at least once a month. These muslem traditions are long forgotten. If you have a virgin wife what good is it if you can only fuck her once or twice then when you want to have sex she complains of being tired or calling you a pervert?

It's why the Arab countries have some of the biggest sexual tension/frustration in the world. And those who can afford go abroad to satisfy their needs.

Of course at the end of the day each woman is different. But I am speaking in general having visited (and lived) in both Arab couuntries and Asian-Moslem countries.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You and I have some VERY different standards brotherman.

I'm looking for a woman that will pull her weight financially. I'm not sure such a thing exists :P[/QUOTE]In my experience Northern/Central European women, German, Dutch or Scandanavian in particular, or more likely to "pull their own weight" financially than others... they are however among the most feminist as well for obvious reasons. Whether or not that is an inherently bad thing is open to question IMO... depends on the relationship and your expectations from it.
[QUOTE=Nolies]The best women in the world for LTR or marriage are DEFINITELY moslem women. They are raised to respect, obey, be loyal and supportive to their husbands. They don't usually smoke, drink alcohol and most have never put a foot in a bar, disco or nightclub.

Also, they usually have NEVER heard of feminism.
[/QUOTE]

Personally, I wouldn't want a "slave" for a wife, so I don't mind independent women. For example, I wouldn't even want a woman who never went out, never drank, always obeyed me etc.

Obviously she should be loyal and contribute to the relationship's harmony, but she shouldn't be a bore either.

I do agree though that they can have their qualities however, and be very beautiful. I've been with a couple of more liberal and well-educated Muslim women who grew up or moved to Europe from Morocco, Turkey and Iran and they were very good partners. Very pretty, stylish, smart and wanted to get ahead in life. They loved to go out, loved sex (but were loyal to whomever their partner was) and enjoyed being the "woman" in a relationship.... they weren't however the always obeying, homey type woman you described.

The best chick I ever dated was an Iranian New Hampshire transplant..she was very sexy, extreamly classy, well educated, and was loyal to a T.


Her dad didn't like me and my mom didn't want me with her so it ended.

Too bad.

Hey guys,

I thought I'd revive the core topic of this forum. If you were retired and looking for a good place to move to with cheap living expenses, which would you pick?

I'd like a Coastal Location with good diving and fishing. I prefer slender lighter skinned women ( white/mestizo/indian). The language they speak is no problem, although I speak spanish semi-fluently. I just prefer a place where a westerner with money is sought after. I don't want a place with alot of crime. I am more apt to stay in the americas (CA and SA) - I think asia would be too much of a culture shock - but I have added southeast asia to my list below. I have narrowed down the list to a limited number of countries, below. It would be helpful if I could hear your guys opinions on the following countries only:

1. Colombia (northern coast) - is too damn dangerous (are their any safe places in colombia?)
2. Cuba - has too many problems - it is expensive for foreigners, most important: the police arrest girls who are with foreigners - so it is difficult to date girls there.
3. DR - would be just right for me - it just seems too expensive there
4. Venezuela - too expensive and too dangerous
5. Nicaraugua (east coast) - just too underdeveloped
6. Costa Rica - too expensive
7. Belize
8. Honduras
9. Brazil - too expensive and too dangerous
10. Phillipines -
11. Coastal Thailand -
12. Coastal Cambodia -
13. Vietnam -
14. Guatemala (Carribean Coast Only) - Puerto Barrios
15. Mexico - too expensive - too dangerous
16. Panama - way too expensive

If anyone has lived in any of these countries, I would appreciate their feedback about:
1. cost of renting an apartment with A/C
2. crime against expats
3. friendliness of the women
4. overall costs of living
5. general water activities (diving fishing)

What about LTR in eastern europe nations? Looking for more down to earth, less gold digging :)

[QUOTE=Water Boy]Hey guys,

I just prefer a place where a westerner with money is sought after. I don't want a place with alot of crime. I am more apt to stay in the americas (CA and SA) - I think asia would be too much of a culture shock - but I have added southeast asia to my list below.:

1. Colombia (northern coast) - is too damn dangerous (are their any safe places in colombia?)
2. Cuba - has too many problems - it is expensive for foreigners, most important: the police arrest girls who are with foreigners - so it is difficult to date girls there.
3. DR - would be just right for me - it just seems too expensive there
4. Venezuela - too expensive and too dangerous
5. Nicaraugua (east coast) - just too underdeveloped
6. Costa Rica - too expensive
9. Brazil - too expensive and too dangerous
15. Mexico - too expensive - too dangerous
16. Panama - way too expensive

If anyone has lived in any of these countries, I would appreciate their feedback about:
1. cost of renting an apartment with A/C
2. crime against expats
3. friendliness of the women
4. overall costs of living
5. general water activities (diving fishing)[/QUOTE]Dude,

I don't quiet understand, you are talking about "westerner with money" and then calling those places "too expensive".

I have no idea what can be cheaper than some of those places. Also I think there is no way to find a place which would be cheap, not dangerous, with hot cheap/friendly women waiting only for you, and everything else is great.. there is no perfect place, you have to pay one way or another.

You want them(the locals) to sought after "westerner with money", is it gonna be cheap? I think they are gonna make it as expensive as possible in this case:)

In my opinion from what I've seen Colombia or Brazil would be the best. Argentina should be good too, I have not been there yet.

But you say its too dangerous and/or expensive. I'm not into DR and their girls. Asia is very different, different culture, different people/girls.

So you better check out and decide for yourself, everybody has their own tastes and preferences.

I also look for a nice place, but I'm prepared that its gonna cost money and also maybe some risks "too dangerous".

[QUOTE=Jon32]What about LTR in western europe nations? Looking for more down to earth, less gold digging :)[/QUOTE]Western Europe's bordellos are full of Eastern European and Asian girls. I wonder why. The Western European men do not like their "down to earth, not gold digging" western girls anymore?

[QUOTE=Water Boy]Hey guys,

It would be helpful if I could hear your guys opinions on the following countries only:

16. Panama - way too expensive
[/QUOTE]

Isn't "expensive" a matter of personal pref? I visited my buddy while he was waiting out some US tax issues in Panama. He lived in ANCON in the city and he had a two BR apt with cable for $400/mo, and new car that cost 7k. He won a scooter from Veneto that was just collecting dust. He bought all foods from open air supermercado across the street for pennies on the US dollar.
I try to go bass fishing in the canal and have a blast doing that.

All my 3rd world travels have included lots of people that are sizing you up trying to figure out how to get your money from you. I like mongering but I don't like to be prey. I also don't like beggars always in my face. Panama offers 1st world atmosphere, with some mongering more than available. But your right in that retirees are driving up prices.

You want an inexpensive, not dangerous,easy to get to,next to the sea and full of P4P and freebie mongering?

MOROCCO is the place!

Best kept secret by thousands of french men for whom this destination has long been a favorite.

Specially the cities of Marrakech,Casablanca and Agadir..dont believe me?? Just google "Marrakesh sexual tourism"!

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Western Europe's bordellos are full of Eastern European and Asian girls. I wonder why. The Western European men do not like their "down to earth, not gold digging" western girls anymore?[/QUOTE]

damn, bad typo...i meant *eastern* europe.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Western Europe's bordellos are full of Eastern European and Asian girls. I wonder why. The Western European men do not like their "down to earth, not gold digging" western girls anymore?[/QUOTE]

Which Western Women are you talking about? AM are the worst example. Thus far I haven't been impressed with Canadian women and they seem to be more down to earth. I find Western European women very down to earth. Yes you can find some gold digging freaks, but you can find those ANYWHERE if you look hard enough.

As I said before, if your just an average joe, your best bet is to go overseas where on the scale of 1-10, if you usually score AM of 5-6 range, you can easily bag 7-8's from other countries largely because they KNOW you have other options, as AW think they are the ONLY and best option.

I like AW just fine, again as I have said, the problem isn't how they look (the truly good looking women) its what's in their HEAD...

Funny the only recently heard of Marrakesh, but met an Moroccan while in Sweden, was a bunk mate in multi-bed Hostel I was at. Marrakesh has recently built a race track that hosted a WTCC race, that's how come I know of it.

[QUOTE=Nolies]You want an inexpensive, not dangerous,easy to get to,next to the sea and full of P4P and freebie mongering?

MOROCCO is the place!

Best kept secret by thousands of french men for whom this destination has long been a favorite.

Specially the cities of Marrakech,Casablanca and Agadir..dont believe me?? Just google "Marrakesh sexual tourism"![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Which Western Women are you talking about? AM are the worst example. Thus far I haven't been impressed with Canadian women and they seem to be more down to earth. I find Western European women very down to earth. Yes you can find some gold digging freaks, but you can find those ANYWHERE if you look hard enough.[/quote]Western women in general and AW would be the worst. Many guys from Western Europe go to Eastern Europe, Asia, Latin America for women, the same as AM go there.

[quote] As I said before, if your just an average joe, your best bet is to go overseas where on the scale of 1-10, if you usually score AM of 5-6 range, you can easily bag 7-8's from other countries [/quote]I don't know about this. Can you measure everything for everybody by one scale 1-10? Does it include only looks, but also some "down-the-earthness" (and many other things)?

[quote]largely because they KNOW you have other options, as AW think they are the ONLY and best option.[/quote]I do not think its that simple. I'm sure there are many other factors. I do not wanna get into this. Just an example, people there are much more social, they are not so distant from each other, also for a EU woman it is much more important to have somebody next to her than for an AW for various reasons.

[quote] I like AW just fine, again as I have said, the problem isn't how they look (the truly good looking women) its what's in their HEAD...[/QUOTE]Are you sure you like them? I bet you like those who are on a picture or walk by, not those who you are with. Otherwise you would not be on this forum like the rest of us:)

sorry everyone, i meant

EASTERN EUROPEAN women


sorry sorry


also, yes american women are completely nuts in my opinion

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Western women in general and AW would be the worst. Many guys from Western Europe go to Eastern Europe, Asia, Latin America for women, the same as AM go there.

I don't know about this. Can you measure everything for everybody by one scale 1-10? Does it include only looks, but also some "down-the-earthness" (and many other things)?

I do not think its that simple. I'm sure there are many other factors. I do not wanna get into this. Just an example, people there are much more social, they are not so distant from each other, also for a EU woman it is much more important to have somebody next to her than for an AW for various reasons.

Are you sure you like them? I bet you like those who are on a picture or walk by, not those who you are with. Otherwise you would not be on this forum like the rest of us:)[/QUOTE]

LOL, to look at is just fine thank you.... They tend to be loud for no reason, can't stand that.

I'm just using numbers based on looks mostly. I haven't dated a European woman long enough to really give you any idea how they act on a day to day basis compared to AW.

Having said that, your down to earth types tend to be average to below average looking in America/Canada. Especially as waist lines have increased here in North America. Try to find an above average looking AW that doesn't think she's entitled to something better than you!

That's the larger problem, so based on that. I still say Europe's version of Western Culture is different enough that the entitlements aren't quite the same and the social system isn't setup to reward GREED and LYING.

I have heard though that European wives might not create the same financial problems, they can create a whole host of mental issues...

What your trying to find, well at least myself is a HAPPY MEDIUM...

I also think it comes from living in big cities for women. Smaller towns outside bigger ones the girls are more 'down to earth' like we want. And can also be hot. In the big cities these girls have guys all over them everywhere they go...

[QUOTE]Western Europe's bordellos are full of Eastern European and Asian girls. I wonder why. The Western European men do not like their "down to earth, not gold digging" western girls anymore?[/QUOTE]Which Western European countries are you talking about? Could it be supply or demand or EE and Asian girls(plus Latina girls) are willing to work for less? BTW, Danish brothels have a lot of Danish girls working in them from what I seen line

[QUOTE]Western women in general and AW would be the worst. Many guys from Western Europe go to Eastern Europe, Asia, Latin America for women, the same as AM go there.[/QUOTE]Last time I check, Eastern Europe is part of the west. It was only in communism that it separated itself from reset of Western. And what about Latina America? Not traditionally western, but has lot of western influences.

[QUOTE=Helios X]Which Western European countries are you talking about? Could it be supply or demand or EE and Asian girls(plus Latina girls) are willing to work for less? BTW, Danish brothels have a lot of Danish girls working in them from what I seen line.[/QUOTE]I don't know about Denmark. In countries such as Germany, Belgium etc.. I saw many EE/Asians women.

But I guess an important thing is that Western men go to the East for women, but Eastern men virtually never go West for women. So it's easy to see where the women are better.

[QUOTE=Helios X]Last time I check, Eastern Europe is part of the west. It was only in communism that it separated itself from reset of Western. And what about Latina America? Not traditionally western, but has lot of western influences.[/QUOTE]Where did you see that? Maybe Czech republic(It became much worst during the last 10 years) Or some gringo bars/disco in Moscow/Kiev. Of course there are increasingly many western influences, but still it is far from being west. Latin America also is not like "west", in some ways it's opposite. It's not only communism, it has more to do with the culture. How about Central Asia? It has an interesting mix from Islam, Communism and now some western influence/Capitalism. But still there are some very nice family traditions where the wife respect her husband and thinks taking care of family and kids is the highest priority.

The Herbivore's DilemmaJapan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don't spend money, and like taking walks.

By Alexandra HarneyPosted Monday, June 15, 2009, at 2:04 PM ET

Ryoma Igarashi likes going for long drives through the mountains, taking photographs of Buddhist temples and exploring old neighborhoods. He's just taken up gardening, growing radishes in a planter in his apartment. Until recently, Igarashi, a 27-year-old Japanese television presenter, would have been considered effeminate, even gay. Japanese men have long been expected to live like characters on Mad Men, chasing secretaries, drinking with the boys, and splurging on watches, golf, and new cars.

Today, Igarashi has a new identity (and plenty of company among young Japanese men) as one of the soushoku danshi—literally translated, "grass-eating boys." Named for their lack of interest in sex and their preference for quieter, less competitive lives, Japan's "herbivores" are provoking a national debate about how the country's economic stagnation since the early 1990s has altered men's behavior.

Newspapers, magazines, and television shows are newly fixated on the herbivores. "Have men gotten weaker?" was one theme of a recent TV talk show. "Herbivores Aren't So Bad" is the title of a regular column on the Japanese Web site NB Online.

In this age of bromance and metrosexuals, why all the fuss? The short answer is that grass-eating men are alarming because they are the nexus between two of the biggest challenges facing Japanese society: the declining birth rate and anemic consumption. Herbivores represent an unspoken rebellion against many of the masculine, materialist values associated with Japan's 1980s bubble economy. Media Shakers, a consulting company that is a subsidiary of Dentsu, the country's largest advertising agency, estimates that 60 percent of men in their early 20s and at least 42 percent of men aged 23 to 34 consider themselves grass-eating men. Partner Agent, a Japanese dating agency, found in a survey that 61 percent of unmarried men in their 30s identified themselves as herbivores. Of the 1,000 single men in their 20s and 30s polled by Lifenet, a Japanese life-insurance company, 75 percent described themselves as grass-eating men.

Japanese companies are worried that herbivorous boys aren't the status-conscious consumers their parents once were. They love to putter around the house. According to Media Shakers' research, they are more likely to want to spend time by themselves or with close friends, more likely to shop for things to decorate their homes, and more likely to buy little luxuries than big-ticket items. They prefer vacationing in Japan to venturing abroad. They're often close to their mothers and have female friends, but they're in no rush to get married themselves, according to Maki Fukasawa, the Japanese editor and columnist who coined the term in NB Online in 2006.

Grass-eating boys' commitment phobia is not the only thing that's worrying Japanese women. Unlike earlier generations of Japanese men, they prefer not to make the first move, they like to split the bill, and they're not particularly motivated by sex. "I spent the night at one guy's house, and nothing happened—we just went to sleep!" moaned one incredulous woman on a TV program devoted to herbivores. "It's like something's missing with them," said Yoko Yatsu, a 34-year-old housewife, in an interview. "If they were more normal, they'd be more interested in women. They'd at least want to talk to women."

Shigeru Sakai of Media Shakers suggests that grass-eating men don't pursue women because they are bad at expressing themselves. He attributes their poor communication skills to the fact that many grew up without siblings in households where both parents worked. "Because they had TVs, stereos and game consoles in their bedrooms, it became more common for them to shut themselves in their rooms when they got home and communicate less with their families, which left them with poor communication skills," he wrote in an e-mail. (Japan has rarely needed its men to have sex as much as it does now. Low birth rates, combined with a lack of immigration, have caused the country's population to shrink every year since 2005.)

It may be that Japan's efforts to make the workplace more egalitarian planted the seeds for the grass-eating boys, says Fukasawa. In the wake of Japan's 1985 Equal Employment Opportunity Law, women assumed greater responsibility at work, and the balance of power between the sexes began to shift. Though there are still significant barriers to career advancement for women, a new breed of female executive who could party almost as hard as her male colleagues emerged. Office lechery, which had been socially acceptable, became stigmatized as seku hara, or sexual harassment.

But it was the bursting of Japan's bubble in the early 1990s, coupled with this shift in the social landscape, that made the old model of Japanese manhood unsustainable. Before the bubble collapsed, Japanese companies offered jobs for life. Salarymen who knew exactly where their next paycheck was coming from were more confident buying a Tiffany necklace or an expensive French dinner for their girlfriend. Now, nearly 40 percent of Japanese work in nonstaff positions with much less job security.

"When the economy was good, Japanese men had only one lifestyle choice: They joined a company after they graduated from college, got married, bought a car, and regularly replaced it with a new one," says Fukasawa. "Men today simply can't live that stereotypical 'happy' life."

Yoto Hosho, a 22-year-old college dropout who considers himself and most of his friends herbivores, believes the term describes a diverse group of men who have no desire to live up to traditional social expectations in their relationships with women, their jobs, or anything else. "We don't care at all what people think about how we live," he says.

Many of Hosho's friends spend so much time playing computer games that they prefer the company of cyber women to the real thing. And the Internet, he says, has helped make alternative lifestyles more acceptable. Hosho believes that the lines between men and women in his generation have blurred. He points to the popularity of "boys love," a genre of manga and novels written for women about romantic relationships between men that has spawned its own line of videos, computer games, magazines, and cafes where women dress as men.

Fukasawa contends that while some grass-eating men may be gay, many are not. Nor are they metrosexuals. Rather, their behavior reflects a rejection of both the traditional Japanese definition of masculinity and what she calls the West's "commercialization" of relationships, under which men needed to be macho and purchase products to win a woman's affection. Some Western concepts, like going to dinner parties as a couple, never fit easily into Japanese culture, she says. Others never even made it into the language—the term "ladies first," for instance, is usually said in English in Japan. During Japan's bubble economy, "Japanese people had to live according to both Western standards and Japanese standards," says Fukasawa. "That trend has run its course."

Japanese women are not taking the herbivores' indifference lightly. In response to the herbivorous boys' tepidity, "carnivorous girls" are taking matters into their own hands, pursuing men more aggressively. Also known as "hunters," these women could be seen as Japan's version of America's cougars.

While many Japanese women might disagree, Fukasawa sees grass-eating boys as a positive development for Japanese society. She notes that before World War II, herbivores were more common: Novelists such as Osamu Dazai and Soseki Natsume would have been considered grass-eating boys. But in the postwar economic boom, men became increasingly macho, increasingly hungry for products to mark their personal economic progress. Young Japanese men today are choosing to have less to prove.

After considering this question for a while I think that Latin American countries are the best. Latin American chicks will do everything that Asian chicks do but with more passion. Plus you don't have to worry about paying the family.

I have read most of this thread and since I am not a rookie, I have my own opinions on this, but first I'd like to hear from others here. I have some worthwhile things to contribute to this board based on decades of experience.

Which cities/countries are easiest to live in? You can only monger so many minutes of the day and the rest of the time you have to either contemplate your return to your home country or, if you're like me, you will want to live in the country more or less permanently. I am in the USA, but looking for places to live. Also with LTR if you bring the woman back with you she IS going to change, almost guaranteed she will become just another spoiled American woman.

So of all the countries you have been to, which are the easiest and best places to live. For me the factors include cheap prices(not just for sex), opportunity to do something worthwhile besides mongering and not be consumed with visa runs, excessive crime, inability to obtain heath care, choking pollution, to name a few.

The problem with mongering in many of these 2nd and 3rd world countries is that they are not very good places to live. Places like Western Europe are good places to live, but not good places to monger. The bottom line is probably you cannot have your cake and eat it also.

What say you?

[QUOTE=Turdycurdyone]I have read most of this thread and since I am not a rookie, I have my own opinions on this, but first I'd like to hear from others here. I have some worthwhile things to contribute to this board based on decades of experience.

Which cities/countries are easiest to live in? You can only monger so many minutes of the day and the rest of the time you have to either contemplate your return to your home country or, if you're like me, you will want to live in the country more or less permanently. I am in the USA, but looking for places to live. Also with LTR if you bring the woman back with you she IS going to change, almost guaranteed she will become just another spoiled American woman.

So of all the countries you have been to, which are the easiest and best places to live. For me the factors include cheap prices(not just for sex), opportunity to do something worthwhile besides mongering and not be consumed with visa runs, excessive crime, inability to obtain heath care, choking pollution, to name a few.

The problem with mongering in many of these 2nd and 3rd world countries is that they are not very good places to live. Places like Western Europe are good places to live, but not good places to monger. The bottom line is probably you cannot have your cake and eat it also.

What say you?[/QUOTE]

Germany is more than likely the best place to live, monger and chase freebies. Because of its major hub airport in Frankfurt, you could make internet contacts and meet say Russian women in Turkey where they can visit without issue.

Your centralized in Western Europe meaning flights to other parts of Europe are affordable.

Flights back to the US are reasonable...

FKK's are all over the country, most major cities have RLD's, private apartments and other ways of getting adult services and its legal and protected.

You have an affordable Public Health Care System, they drive on the right side of the road and left side of the car like at home. English is widely spoken in most cities and by most of the younger population. DW provides English news services and programing.

Any objections?

"cheap prices (not just for sex)" Germany?

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Germany is more than likely the best place to live, monger and chase freebies. Because of its major hub airport in Frankfurt, you could make internet contacts and meet say Russian women in Turkey where they can visit without issue.

Any objections?[/QUOTE]I don't think that Germany is that good. It's better than USA for sure. But otherwise from what I have seen. Some RLD, s Clubs, girls it's not as good as in other countries. Maybe I have not seen enough. But I visited RLD in Duseldorf and Franfurt. I did not have any desire to fuck there. Also we visited some fuck club.. Very expensive. I only fucked one girl from escort service, and she was Czech. I would say RLDs in Holland (Amserdam and Dan Haag) we much much better. But it's only my opinion.

Germans themselves do not really like Germany because they go to other places to monger. Czech, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc.

Ukraine/Russia is a much better place to look for girls. One my friend from Sochi told me that now girls are coming for vacation from all over Russia. He has hard time to get rid off them.

He told me funny story, about two weeks ago he hooked up with one Moscow actor girl from s TV show. He got really pissed at her, because he fucked her first time she did not wanna do a BJ. She told him that he has to deserve it. So he just told her to fuck off.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I don't think that Germany is that good. It's better than USA for sure. But otherwise from what I have seen. Some RLD, s Clubs, girls it's not as good as in other countries. Maybe I have not seen enough. But I visited RLD in Duseldorf and Franfurt. I did not have any desire to fuck there. Also we visited some fuck club.. Very expensive. I only fucked one girl from escort service, and she was Czech. I would say RLDs in Holland (Amserdam and Dan Haag) we much much better. But it's only my opinion.

Germans themselves do not really like Germany because they go to other places to monger. Czech, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc.

Ukraine/Russia is a much better place to look for girls. One my friend from Sochi told me that now girls are coming for vacation from all over Russia. He has hard time to get rid off them.

He told me funny story, about two weeks ago he hooked up with one Moscow actor girl from s TV show. He got really pissed at her, because he fucked her first time she did not wanna do a BJ. She told him that he has to deserve it. So he just told her to fuck off.[/QUOTE]

LOL, I didn't say it was perfect and I understand your objections.

FKK's are good I enjoyed it. RLD in Frankfurt I did, was okay, its cheap.

A-dam RLD has too many tourist and giggling US college students, its a circus .

If you have to use a non German RLD, I would say Belgium's is much better.

But honestly I'm quite positive I won't need RLD's or FKK's in Germany given enough time and knowing WHERE to go, which prevented success to a large degree last time.

I lived in Germany for about five months and I didn't like it. Bad weather and the people are really fucking anal about everything. And, like all of Western Europe, it's pretty expensive. Call me a pussy but I really don't like driving 130 mph. Since I have a job where I can live (almost) anywhere I obviously think where I live is the best place (Buenos Aires) but I would live in Australia or New Zealand if they would fucking let me. But, they won't. I enjoyed living in Guadalajara and also I found Valparaiso, Chile to be livable and mongerable.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]LOL, I didn't say it was perfect and I understand your objections.

FKK's are good I enjoyed it. RLD in Frankfurt I did, was okay, its cheap.

A-dam RLD has too many tourist and giggling US college students, its a circus .

If you have to use a non German RLD, I would say Belgium's is much better.

But honestly I'm quite positive I won't need RLD's or FKK's in Germany given enough time and knowing WHERE to go, which prevented success to a large degree last time.[/QUOTE]In Dusseldorf I saw some of the most fucked up RLD. It was about 4 story building with mostly fat African girls in windows. A bunch of horny guys standing in front of the building trying to find something they like for 50euro.

In Frankfurt checked out some *****houses including Asian. Not a fun view. Very dark places, girls look bored or pissed. One girl was ripoff. My friend gave her 50euros, she got naked and layed on the bed. She did not wanna do shit.

In my opinion Germany is good only because its' close to Eastern Europe. And you can fly from Frankfurt anywhere in the world.

[QUOTE=Chudai Wala]Dear I think the Russian or central asian girls are the best where ever they are but its not a comon sence that you fly for monger from US or EU to Russia or CAS, so the Eu is the best if you are going for.

Mo[/QUOTE]In Central Asia there are still traditional girls can be found who could make good wives. Of course you better be careful to bring those girls back to USA/Europe.

You're right, Germany would be good, especially in terms of the health care, if you can get it and having a good infrastructure.

But Germany is out of my league money-wise as I am on a pension income now. Also, I hate cold winters. As much as I dislike the hot humidity of SE Asia, I would prefer that over cold and snow.

Also the prices for P4P in Germany are a bit steep and I prefer non-regulated encounters to highly structured ones. I like to at least pretend it is my g/f anyways. I like to pick up the women on my own; cut out the middle men.

But in terms of other quality of life factors, Germany is a good choice, especially due to it's proximity to Eastern Europe and the Russian options you mentioned. Also as a white man I blend in easier in such a Country than I would in SE Asia or L.A.

I had a Brasilian g/f for sometime. She was the best in bed of any woman I have ever experienced. No question. Brasilians grow up with x-rated movies on standard TV I am told.

Right now I'm looking at Philippines, Thailand and possibly Colombia or other L.A. countries. Cambodia, Cuba,Vietnam are out due to outside restrictions.
The women in Africa are very cheap, but there is a serious AIDS problem there and accomdations are high for such a place.

I have several contacts in Phil. but I am wary of this Country due to so many negative reports from others and that Country's deserved reputation for corruption and scamming. The Filipinas are highly motivated to meet foreigners due to the really bad conditions in living in that backwards Country.
The advantage is that English is mostly understood there, so the language barriers are not so great for me. However it is nearly impossible for a foreigner to make good money there, except through a native.

China is a place that interests me and I know very little about it, other than what I read on the net. Obviously China, if you can get past learning Chinese offers great potential economically. I am told Chinese women have a reputation for being earnest and devoted, but I have no direct experience with them, closest being a Korean g/f who I liked alot.

Thanks to FourMoney and all the other good replies.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Germany is more than likely the best place to live, monger and chase freebies. Because of its major hub airport in Frankfurt, you could make internet contacts and meet say Russian women in Turkey where they can visit without issue.

Your centralized in Western Europe meaning flights to other parts of Europe are affordable.

Flights back to the US are reasonable...

FKK's are all over the country, most major cities have RLD's, private apartments and other ways of getting adult services and its legal and protected.

You have an affordable Public Health Care System, they drive on the right side of the road and left side of the car like at home. English is widely spoken in most cities and by most of the younger population. DW provides English news services and programing.

Any objections?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I can live (almost) anywhere I obviously think where I live is the best place (Buenos Aires) .[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but you've already stated how racist it is there. I have enough stereotypes and profilining to overcome in my OWN country, much less finding a good (and thin) woman. Us bros have to take other peoples ignorance into account in our travels.

I stand by my Panama claim as best country.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I lived in Germany for about five months and I didn't like it. Bad weather and the people are really fucking anal about everything. And, like all of Western Europe, it's pretty expensive. Call me a pussy but I really don't like driving 130 mph. Since I have a job where I can live (almost) anywhere I obviously think where I live is the best place (Buenos Aires) but I would live in Australia or New Zealand if they would fucking let me. But, they won't. I enjoyed living in Guadalajara and also I found Valparaiso, Chile to be livable and mongerable.[/QUOTE]

The weather is bad, it rains alot, snows in most of the country. German people depending on your personality can be irritating. I tend to kick bothersome people to the curb, that's not an issue.

It is expensive but so is most of Western Europe. He was asking where he could go and monger. I had excellent service in both FKK Palce and FKK Oase and for a complete NEWBIE, I didn't so badly - :)

RLD is if you just wanna stick your dick into a hole, I mean its not much better than wanking or using a sexy doll or some other object to pleasure yourself, at least your inside a warm human pussy for a reasonable price.

I found a mid 30's and fairly attractive Swedish girl in the Frankfurt RLD. Yes most of them are Turkish and from other Arab country and not very cute. But if you dig as in Amsterdam, you can find a diamond and honestly what do you expect for 30 euro and 15-20 mins????

Driving 130mph creates bad fuel mileage..lol, other than that you aren't going that fast near major cities and have to go quite a bit out of your way to go that fast, too much traffic and there are posted limits mostly...

For me personally, I like Caucasian women. I like Latin women, but in most Latin countries those with Afro roots or West Indian roots are apart of the lower class. While most imagines of African-Americans in the media (seen around the world) are quite negative, save for Obama (bi-racial but we play with the one drop rule) and a few other positive roll models.

That doesn't reflect well on me (I personally feel) in Latin America. To be brutally honest, I've been offered more sex and relationships from everything BUT Latina women. The one or two over the years that were interested was OVERWEIGHT (one was a Provider!).

So in my research I can conclude that Western Europe provides a stable platform for relocation, but its not affordable for those on fixed incomes.

Latin countries are affordable, and attractive, but I believe one size does not fit all and while I think Argentina might work out fine and does for DH, I'm a bit caught up in some trappings of Western Culture and take quite a bit for granted. If I found it diffcult to hook up in South America, is that my appearance or my lack of Spanish speaking skills???????

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] If I found it diffcult to hook up in South America, is that my appearance or my lack of Spanish speaking skills? [/QUOTE]DJ, it's actually extremely difficult not hook up there. People are very friendly there. But of course some Spanish is necessary. But without Spanish you can still hang out with working girls. They are pretty much the same as regular girls. Some are students or single mothers. It's not like some drug addict USA *****s.

I have actually enjoyed more working girls, you spend less money and time on them, then having a GF. I spent relatively lots of time and money on a GF! Of course no regret, had good time, but for fucking it's better to hookup with working girls. Also you can tell all kinds of crap and jokes to working chicas and ask for all kinds of things from them.

A GF can take too much of your time, so you miss other things. I actually tried to dump my GF. Because I needed more free time to spend with 2 other chicas. But she still wants to hang out.

There (in Colombia) you have completely different from USA problems. Too many choices. Do you want to go to a casa to look for a new working chica, or you wanna call other 2-3 girls to have a group sex, or you wanna call one of GF to go to a movie, bar, disco? I wish I had 1% of such "problems" in the USA.

Of course appearance matters a lot. But from what I have seen things such as race/age/height/etc. More matters in USA and Europe. In South America and Asia it would matter less than in USA/Europe. Of course there are different opinions on that.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
Latin countries are affordable, and attractive, but I believe one size does not fit all and while I think Argentina might work out fine and does for DH, I'm a bit caught up in some trappings of Western Culture and take quite a bit for granted. If I found it diffcult to hook up in South America, is that my appearance or my lack of Spanish speaking skills???????[/QUOTE]
DJ,
I think you should go to Latin America and experience it yourself. Your lack of Spanish speaking skills is likely to matter more than your appearance. But the important thing is that you will get laid and you can get non-pro action without a lot of effort. Don't judge your chances by Latinas in the US. One of the ladies working the desk at my local dry cleaner told me that when Latina chicks get here they're sweet, shy and courteous. After they realize that they look better than the average local chick they undergo an attitude change. They start acting just as rude to the attendants as the local women.

I date foreign women in the US but I always let them know up front that I would break it off instantly if they try to emulate the bad habits of their American sisters. Most of them quickly drop the "we're in America" crap. Another thing to keep in mind is that Hispanics illegally in the US are usually cliquish. They have $30 dollar wh*rehouses that cater to undocumented workers. Americans have little chance of finding those. Don't think for one moment that those little Mexican guys tiling roofs and picking fruit aren't getting laid.

You know, they don't like blacks here but they don't like anyone else who isn't from Argentina, and even from Buenos Aires. Having said that I don't think I would live here if I were black. But if I were black maybe I could take the heat better. Can't take heat. At all. I just barely survive the summers here and I try to get away as much as possible. DJ on the Spanish thing this HurdyGurdy or whatever said he was looking to move somewhere. I just [b]assume[/b] that anyone who is going to move to a foreign country would learn the language. I did not learn much German but I knew in advance I would not be there very long. Spanish is much easier to learn than German and is probably (along with Italian and Portuguese) the easiest language for a native English speaker to learn. Anyone who isn't incredibly stupid and puts in the effort should be serviceable in six months, I would think. But I can't say since I have been speaking it since I was ten.

I am not sure what the precise definition of "Caucasian" is but a lot of people here would meet it since they mostly trace their ancestry to #1 Italy and #2 Spain. I think, though, DJ, you are not saying you prefer "Caucasians" but you prefer blond hair, light skin, blue or green eyes, etc. S'not the same thing! If you said to an olive-skinned Spaniard or Italian that they were not Caucasian you could have some problems. You'd prolly like this tall big-titted Argie gal I fuck sometimes named Griselda. She is of German descent. Even though I have fucked her twenty times I don't remember her eye color but I think she has blue eyes. There is a large Ukranian community here too, for some reason. Argentina has always had liberal immigration policies (one reason I live here) since it's not overcrowded (another reason), and BA in particular is a real melting pot (another reason). It's just that not too many blacks have melted into the pot, at least not yet. I do know a guy from Mali and another from Angola, both cool guys who I think are here illegally because they work as touts. A few black Peruvians.

When I don't like fucking olive-skinned Latinas I like fucking Asians and there are LOTS of Asians here. Unfortunately for cultural reasons like never getting out from behind the cash register of their parents' grocery store or laundromat, they don't tend to find their way into the trade that is of interest to us. Got a lot of Middle Easterners here, which they call Turcos regardless of where they are from. In fact my favorita is half Turca and half Spanish descent. Works for me. I think her mom was Syrian which is where I believe disgraced ex-President Menem was from. The guy who was PM of Jamaica when I was there, Seaga, was also of Syrian descent.

Brothers who think BA is interesting but are concerned about race might want to check out Uruguay, which has a much larger black population, and lots of mulattos or whatever term is politically correct these days to describe that mix which the current US president reflects.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]You know, they don't like blacks here but they don't like anyone else who isn't from Argentina, and even from Buenos Aires. Having said that I don't think I would live here if I were black. But if I were black maybe I could take the heat better. Can't take heat. At all. I just barely survive the summers here and I try to get away as much as possible. DJ on the Spanish thing this HurdyGurdy or whatever said he was looking to move somewhere. I just [b]assume[/b] that anyone who is going to move to a foreign country would learn the language. I did not learn much German but I knew in advance I would not be there very long. Spanish is much easier to learn than German and is probably (along with Italian and Portuguese) the easiest language for a native English speaker to learn. Anyone who isn't incredibly stupid and puts in the effort should be serviceable in six months, I would think. But I can't say since I have been speaking it since I was ten.

I am not sure what the precise definition of "Caucasian" is but a lot of people here would meet it since they mostly trace their ancestry to #1 Italy and #2 Spain. I think, though, DJ, you are not saying you prefer "Caucasians" but you prefer blond hair, light skin, blue or green eyes, etc. S'not the same thing! If you said to an olive-skinned Spaniard or Italian that they were not Caucasian you could have some problems. You'd prolly like this tall big-titted Argie gal I fuck sometimes named Griselda. She is of German descent. Even though I have fucked her twenty times I don't remember her eye color but I think she has blue eyes. There is a large Ukranian community here too, for some reason. Argentina has always had liberal immigration policies (one reason I live here) since it's not overcrowded (another reason), and BA in particular is a real melting pot (another reason). It's just that not too many blacks have melted into the pot, at least not yet. I do know a guy from Mali and another from Angola, both cool guys who I think are here illegally because they work as touts. A few black Peruvians.

When I don't like fucking olive-skinned Latinas I like fucking Asians and there are LOTS of Asians here. Unfortunately for cultural reasons like never getting out from behind the cash register of their parents' grocery store or laundromat, they don't tend to find their way into the trade that is of interest to us. Got a lot of Middle Easterners here, which they call Turcos regardless of where they are from. In fact my favorita is half Turca and half Spanish descent. Works for me. I think her mom was Syrian which is where I believe disgraced ex-President Menem was from. The guy who was PM of Jamaica when I was there, Seaga, was also of Syrian descent.

Brothers who think BA is interesting but are concerned about race might want to check out Uruguay, which has a much larger black population, and lots of mulattos or whatever term is politically correct these days to describe that mix which the current US president reflects.[/QUOTE]

Mixed works.... That's not PC so what.

I like all kinds of women, not just blond hair and blue/green eyes. I made a post about "Crushes" on another forum and when I thought about it, I came up with Victoria Principle, Jaclyn Smith, The Car Hop from Cannon Ball Run (Google it, Vicky something), Heather Thomas and Tiffany-Amber Thiesen.

So though I do like Blonds they don't seem to be my favorite, never dated one and not sure why.

Anyway I love Latinas, certain ones though. I guess you could say I like Spanish or Portuguese blood lines, Olive skin, just not dark Indian skin.

I know some Latinas are "Down for the Brown" I'm not really that concerned, but I'm just looking at it from a numbers perspective. I'd venture to say that out of 10 say Danish women, I could date 3-4 and out of those 3-4 one could be a LTR GF.

I would have to widen that number to say 20 umm Colombian women to gain 4-5.

I have heard that Argentina is an equal opportunity hater, as you said they don't very much like people who aren't Argentinean.

But as Doctor Skank once said and I totally agree, "Black Men Have There Fans Anywhere In the World"

I tend to agree...

Well, that's primarily what you have here is olive skinned. Indian brown not so much although you can sure find it. For that you go up north to Salta province. I like either so I am in good shape. I have never met a real blond here, not one, although Griselda's hair is very light brown, not really a very attractive shade to tell the truth, so not one of her best features.

I've been gone from the yew ess for so long, and don't watch TV, that I have no idea who any of those people are. I've vaguely heard of Victoria Principal.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Well, that's primarily what you have here is olive skinned. Indian brown not so much although you can sure find it. For that you go up north to Salta province. I like either so I am in good shape. I have never met a real blond here, not one, although Griselda's hair is very light brown, not really a very attractive shade to tell the truth, so not one of her best features.

I've been gone from the yew ess for so long, and don't watch TV, that I have no idea who any of those people are. I've vaguely heard of Victoria Principal.[/QUOTE]

What you don't remember Charlie's Angel's???? lol

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I A few black Peruvians.

Brothers who think BA is interesting but are concerned about race might want to check out Uruguay, which has a much larger black population, and lots of mulattos or whatever term is politically correct these days to describe that mix which the current US president reflects.[/QUOTE]

Back to race in sex, which is the reality we have to face. Argentinians are AROGANT. No doubt from the European influence and Nazi escapists.
I sense a tone of arogance from Mr. DH too..hmm. ..(I'm not Black ,therefore, your problems are not mine..., but I'll give my best advice boy).

You never really know what a person really thinks of you as they smile in your face. You DO KNOW how much any woman wants you, by the measure of how much they give you. We all know how much they do or don't want us, they always let us know.

DJFM...no disrespect, but it seems your spending a lot of time getting advice and not getting laid. I only have a couple hundred posts here cause i use this site for info only. I was on my way back to the monger world, but got sent home for personal reasons.

Also interested in this question, but I am white. So probably a big difference.

Germany - no offense to anyone, but I think this is the last place I would choose.

South America looks like a good option in my opinion. I personally think eastern europe girls are very hot, but living in one of these countries I imagine must be not as nice as South America I would also imagine (no actual knowledge of this opinion) that eastern europe girls are more gold digging type then South America.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]
DJFM...no disrespect, but it seems your spending a lot of time getting advice and not getting laid. I only have a couple hundred posts here cause i use this site for info only. I was on my way back to the monger world, but got sent home for personal reasons.[/QUOTE]

Why would I be worried about what a stranger thinks about me???

What does that mean? I give more advice than getting laid...

Well its like this dawg -

I live at home, I'm 39, how many women would find that acceptable? That cuts down my pool. I date mostly White women, is every White women, even in liberal California down that? No, further cutting down my pool.

That leaves mostly ugly women, fat women, single mothers and that's pretty much it around here. There some attractive single mothers for sure, but I've been down that road and don't like it, 9 times out of 10 there's Baby Daddy drama or a women struggling to make ends meet, nod ideal, tried that before, I am not Capt Save A Hoe.

I have missed out on chances for success and happiness (at least 3 times) and now I am paying the price by being close to 40, no children and never been married. Meaning my pool in America is 28-38, not ideal for having children, many of these women already have kids.

So while you never questioned the value of my advice, you question my "Skills" which is okay I guess, nothing personal. I have spurts of good luck, this is not that time, my 2nd car accident in less than 30 days and two cars damaged with at least 3.5K in repairs, both accidents not my fault, but I was contacted by an attractive North Las Vegas woman, I don't wanna jink it but even a blind squirrel can find a nut.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Spanish is much easier to learn than German and is probably (along with Italian and Portuguese) the easiest language for a native English speaker to learn.[/QUOTE]German is like English a Germanic language and should be much easier to learn than Spanish.

But the easiert language for a native English speaker to learn should be Bahasa Indonesia. The easiest language in the world.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]You'd prolly like this tall big-titted Argie gal I fuck sometimes named Griselda. She is of German descent.[/QUOTE]Nobody bellow 90 is called Griselda in Germany.

[QUOTE=Bigcebu]
Nobody bellow 90 is called Griselda in Germany.[/QUOTE]

That might be true of Germany or of any country in Western Europe...

But I'll bet you I can find a better than decent and skinny Latina with that name in Whitter, East Los Angeles, Compton, El Monte or South Gate though...

The Buddha said,
"There are seven types of wives:

1. The wife who is like a murderer has an impure mind, does not honour her husband and then loses her heart to another man.

2. The wife who is like a thief never considers her husband's labour but thinks only of her desire for luxury. She wastes her husband's income to satisfy her appetite and by so doing steals from him.

3. The wife who is like a master. She rails at her husband, neglects the housekeeping and thinks only of her own comfort.

4. The wife who is like a mother cares for her husband as though he was a child, she protects her husband as a mother does her son, and she looks after her income as though he was incapable of doing so.

5. The wife who is like a sister is faithful to her husband and serves him like a sister with modesty and reserve.

6. The wife who is like a friend tries to please her husband like a friend who has just returned from a long absence. She is modest, behaves nicely and treats her husband with great respect.

7. The wife who is like a maid-servant serves her husband will and with fidelity. She respects him and his commands, has no ill-feeling, and always tries to make him happy." [Abr.]

Well, I had good time in Slowakia, Czech and in Latvia. Of course, anywhere you may find the "cheap mess", but if you ask for more quality staff, you find it up here for sure. What surprised me, some of the -1st class girls- are choosing clients, I appreciate it as well.

Certainly not Colombia!

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[quote]Hey guys,

I just prefer a place where a westerner with money is sought after. I don't want a place with alot of crime. I am more apt to stay in the americas (CA and SA) - I think asia would be too much of a culture shock - but I have added southeast asia to my list below.:

1. Colombia (northern coast) - is too damn dangerous (are their any safe places in colombia?)
2. Cuba - has too many problems - it is expensive for foreigners, most important: the police arrest girls who are with foreigners - so it is difficult to date girls there.
3. DR - would be just right for me - it just seems too expensive there
4. Venezuela - too expensive and too dangerous
5. Nicaraugua (east coast) - just too underdeveloped
6. Costa Rica - too expensive
9. Brazil - too expensive and too dangerous
15. Mexico - too expensive - too dangerous
16. Panama - way too expensive

If anyone has lived in any of these countries, I would appreciate their feedback about:
1. cost of renting an apartment with A/C
2. crime against expats
3. friendliness of the women
4. overall costs of living
5. general water activities (diving fishing)[/quote][QUOTE=Goga Fung]Dude,

I don't quiet understand, you are talking about "westerner with money" and then calling those places "too expensive".

I have no idea what can be cheaper than some of those places. Also I think there is no way to find a place which would be cheap, not dangerous, with hot cheap/friendly women waiting only for you, and everything else is great.. there is no perfect place, you have to pay one way or another.

You want them(the locals) to sought after "westerner with money", is it gonna be cheap? I think they are gonna make it as expensive as possible in this case:)

In my opinion from what I've seen Colombia or Brazil would be the best. Argentina should be good too, I have not been there yet.

But you say its too dangerous and/or expensive. I'm not into DR and their girls. Asia is very different, different culture, different people/girls.

So you better check out and decide for yourself, everybody has their own tastes and preferences.

I also look for a nice place, but I'm prepared that its gonna cost money and also maybe some risks "too dangerous".[/QUOTE]Goga Fung,

You are right. There are tradeoffs. Many of the countries mentioned are equally dangerous. So that cancels out right there. Will I be visiting hookers every nite? No. I'd probably hire a sex employee.

As a guide to dating expenses I look at what mongers pay for LT/ST. That is a guide as to what to expect for a GF (or a long term paid GF).

I thank you for taking the time to post.

Best place is Morocco:

1-not expensive

2-not dangerous

3-good-looking,willing women

4-great coastline and sea

Read this first.
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Read this first.

[url]http://everything2.com/title/How+to+marry+a+Japanese+person[/url][/QUOTE]This is true. All the things listed sound like worst case scenario but are not uncommon. Quite a few of my fellow expats lived through some horror stories when getting divorced from a Japanese woman. Many have a great live but it is better to know things beforehand.

Yeah, you try Colombia....It's not Columbia by the way..Good luck.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I haven't been out of the country yet, but I'm going to either South America or Europe next year.

I don't like the selection I have here currently. I have turned to mongering to get my sexual "fix" as it were. I just refuse to pay the elevated prices that American providers charge, so I'm taking not only my sexual desires but my desire for a LTR out of the country.

I date white women and latinas almost exclusively. Being a Black Man (African-American is so PC it makes me sick), I feel I can pull the same type of women (personality wise) with a decidedly "thinner" body as obesity is now out of control in the US, just as much as rampant single motherhood.

Life is a series of compromises and I'm willing to accept some things in trade for other things. The problem with American women now is its OKAY for you to be BBW and its not okay if you find it unacceptable. Single mothers expect to you take on the responiblity of a ready made family just as your becoming comfortable wiping your own ass, let alone some childs.

Those are the main reasons for seeking LTR elsewhere. However American Black Males are doing damage elsewhere in the world. I notice a steady rise in single mother parenting in places where we have US Milatary bases, namely the Pacific Rim and Germany. I don't feel this hurts my opportunities that much, but does make issues like trust and finding childless women just that more diffucult.

I know black men are popular in Germany, just look at all the personal ads out there. They are being very specific also in stating they would like to talk to American Black Men and not African Black Men. Africans come from a different social structure that often doesn't work with women from Western Cultures such at Europe, Canada and the US. Canadian women tell me the exact same thing.

That's just from talking to these women and not some guestimation on my part. They aren't looking for a free ride to the US either, even though a alot of them would relocate for the right person.

Because of the language issues, I haven't spoke to that many Latinas outside of the US about this, so I was really courious about how "brothas" were treated outside of the US and Europe. Although never having visited Europe, I have a excellent idea because of friends that are recent transplants and my father has spent considerable time over there in the mid to late 80's.

That's what makes this board valuable to me, not only for mongoring information, but for the guys that take the time to seek out non-pro talent wherever they may travel.

So based on that information, I believe I can safely say that an American Black Man's best bets are -

Canada, specfically Vancouver, BC and the mostly english speaking proviances.

Germany, England, The Netherlands and Sweden in Europe

Japan, South Korea, Australia, Malyasha, Thailand and other island nations in the Pacific.

and from the looks of it Brasil, Costa Rica and Columbia in South America.

Most of these countries exposer to black men and black culture come from our Military instalations. I know this is true because I heard a report on NPR about some of the base closures in Germany and how alot of the servicemen were coming back to the US with their german wives and children in tow. It focused on a few interracial marriages on a peticular base that was on the closure list and mentioned some number I don't remember but its pretty significant.

From what I understand -

In Brasil is makes sense for Mullatas to be drawn towards black men. I mean, black for black right? Because of my perferance, I'll be mainly chasing "Loiras" down there and I specifically wanted to visit Sau Paulo first because of this. If I was interested mainly in Mullatas and Morenas then I would probaly make Rio my focus.

I also wanted to go down to Argentina, but I have little information to go on about the non-pros but generally brothas haven't had a problem with providers down there. It seems thought just like in Rio reports from other black men on these boards, they tend to chase Morenas and Mullatas around (judging by the photos posted), weather they are pro's or not. I don't understand why, when they could go to closer destinations and achive the same level of sucess, as in Columbia, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica and even Mexico.

I'm seeking anywhere with European looks. In South America, they have the added bonus of being mixed with Brasilain or Argentinan Indian blood and thus "booty" is born, unlike alot of true euros that have booties only because of the popularity of Burger King and McDonald's outside the US. But that is at least better than most UK women that tend to be quite "chunky" as well, not to mention HORRIBLE teeth that alot of english residence suffer from.

Okay maybe I'm generalizing and rambling too much, but I would like to hear from other brothas and even non-brothas on this subject and do you think I'm onto something?[/QUOTE]

Hip hop is the decline of America along with the culture. It's showing up now in the economy finally. Not long to go now..


[QUOTE=Darkseid]Brazilians and people from other countries love Americans not just because of the money but because we are known as party animals that brought hip hop, techno, reggae, pop music and other great music into their country. The fact that I am Asian makes Brazilians mistaken me as Japanese which they worship because most of their technology such as stereo systems and video games come from Japan. I am Chinese though but I play along with this mistaken indentity just to get into their pants. I also say that I can't speak Japanese because I was born and raised American. This combination makes it a lot easier for me to meet non-pros in Brazil. :)[/QUOTE]