FKK FAQ

[B] [U]13 BADEN WURTTENBERG[/B][/U]

[B] FKK-Club Böblingen [/B]Otto Lilienthalstr. 32 71034 BÖBLINGEN. Entrance is 55€ and pricing is 55€/30min.

[B] FKK-Point [/B]Industriestraße 22 76646 BRUCHSAL (Tel. 07251-934141) [url]www.fkk-point-bruchsal.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Sunday from 12H00 till 4H00. Entrance is 35€ and pricing is 50€/30min.

[B] FKK-Stuttgart [/B]Marienstr. 38b 70178 STUTTGART (Tel. 0711-6159770) [url]http://www.fkk-stuttgart.de/[/url]. Open daily from 10H00 till 4H00, entrance is 55€, including drinks, pricing is 55€/30min.

[B] Casablanca[/B] Wangenerstr. 31 70188 STUTTGART [url]http://www.fkk-casablanca.de[/url]. Entrance is 40€, including drinks. Pricing is 55€/30min, 25€ extra for kissing and BBBJ. Club has sauna and swimming pool.

[B] FKK Dream [/B]Filderstr. 61 70180 STUTTGART (Tel. 0711-6499466, 0711-6499477) [url]http://www.fkk-dream.de/[/url]. Open daily from 12H00 till 4H00. Entrance is 50€, pricing is 55€/30min and 25€ extra for BBBJ.

[B] FKK Paradies[/B] Pascha Im Dickenhardt 8 à 78054 VS-SCHWENNINGEN (Tel. 07720-811092) [url]www.clubpascha.de[/url]. Entrance is 50€ and pricing is 60€/30min.

[B] [U]14 BAYERN[/B][/U]

[B] Fkk Colosseum [/B]Gubener Straße 13,86156 AUGSBURG (Tel. (0) 821 - 246 1993) [url]http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/[/url]. Open from 14H00 till 3H00, entrance is 60€ and pricing is 50€/30min.

[B] FKK-Oase Sudfaß [/B]Peter Eters Str. 4 81245 MÜNCHEN-PASING (Tel. 089-884520) [url]http://www.fkk-sudfass.de/[/url]. Entrance is 55€ including non-alcoholic drinks. Pricing is 50€/30min and 25€ extra for BBBJ.

[B] FKK-Club Sylt Nürnberg [/B]Lichtenfelser Str. 2 90427 NÜRNBERG (Tel. 0911-306130; 0911-306116) [url]http://www.fkk-sylt.de[/url]. Open daily from 12H00 till 4H00, entrance is 60€ including non-alcoholic drinks. Pricing is 50€/30min including BBBJ. Club has cinema and outdoor garden.

[B] FKK Club Garten Eden [/B]Randersackerer Str. 70 97072 WÜRZBURG (Tel. 0931-87902, 0931-870241) [url]http://www.fkk-garten-eden.de/[/url]. Open from 11H00 till 21H00 for FKK and from 21H00 till 4H00 nightclub. Entrance is 30€ and pricing is 80€/30min.

[B] FKK-Tempel [/B]Würzburg Gattinger Straße 29 7076 WÜRZBURG (Tel. 0931/2994081, 0931/2994) [url]http://www.fkk-tempel.com/[/url]. Open daily 10H00-3H00, entrance is 55€.

[B] [U]15 BERLIN[/B][/U]

[B] FKK Artemis [/B]Halenseestraße 32-36 10711 BERLIN (Tel. 0890-44410) [url]www.fkk-artemis.de[/url]. Open daily from 11H00 till 5h00, entrance is 70€, pricing is 60€/30min.

[B] La Folie [/B]Kaiser-Friedrich-Str. 63 10627 BERLIN/CHARLOTTENBURG (Tel. 030-3275969) [url]www.la-folie.de[/url] Open from Monday till Saturday from 18H00 till 6H00, entrance is 13€. Pricing is 70€/30min.

[B] [U]16 BREMEN[/B][/U]

[B] FKK-Club Bremen [/B]Fritz-Thiele Str. 5a 28279 BREMEN (Tel. 0431-8398112, 0421-8398111). Open daily from 10H00 till 24H00, entrance is 50€. Pricing is 50€/30min. Club has sauna.

[B] [U]17 HAMBURG[/B][/U]

[B] FKK-125 Hamburg [/B]Saseler Chaussee 125 22393 HAMBURG (Tel. 040-60096260) [url]www.fkk125.de[/url]. Open daily de 12H00 till 1H00, entrance is 50€. Pricing is 50€/session, drinks and snacks are free. Club has sauna and swimmingpool.

[B] [U]18 HESSEN[/B][/U]

[B] Club 69 [/B]Am Rinnerborn 69 35418 ALTEN-BUSEK.

[B] FKK Birkenau [/B]Am chlosspark 65 69488 BIRKENAU (Tel. 06201-34453).

[B] FKK-Pazifik [/B]Industrie Str. 6 64807 DIEBURG (Tel. 0162-6292848) [url]www.fkkpazifik.de[/url]. Open daily from 11H00 till 4H00, entrance is 60€ and pricing is 50€/30min.

[B] F35 Frankfurt [/B]Franziusstr. 35 60314 FRANKFURT (Tel. 069-498794) [url]http://www.f35.de[/url]. Open daily from 11H00 till 4H00, entrance is 50€. Pricing is 50€/30min, BBBJ and anal 50€ extra. Expect about 7 till 10 girls.

[B] Club T16 [/B]Tucholskystr. 16 60598 FRANKFURT (Tel. 069-60504580) [url]http://www.clubt16.com[/url]. Open from Monday till Friday from 15H00 till 23H00.

[B] FKK Club Napoleon [/B]Hanauer Landstr. 587 60386 FRANKFURT (Tel. 069-40894648) [url]http://www.club-napoleon.de/[/url]. Open daily from 18H00 till 4H00, entrance is 40€ and pricing is 70€/30min.

[B] FKK Atlantik[/B] Oderstr.10 Industriegebiet Nord 63452 HANAU (Tel. 06181 180 78 78) [url]www.atlantik-fkk.de[/url]. Open daily from 11H00 till 3H00, Friday and Saturday till 5H00. Entrance is 55€.

[B] Privat-Club [/B]Dennhäuser Str. 71 34134 KASSEL (Tel. 0561-43991).

[B] Sauna Club Kassel [/B]Leipziger Strasse 377 34123 KASSEL (Tel. 0561-8168439). Entrance is 25€ and pricing is 25€/20min, BBBJ for 10€ extra.

[B] FKK Waldhaus [/B]Ausserhalb 4 65428 RÜSSELSHEIM (Tel. 06142-175517) [url]http://www.fkkwaldhaus.de/[/url]. Open daily from 10H00 till 4H00. Entrance is 25€ and pricing is 75€/30min.

[B] [U]19 NIEDERSACHSEN[/B][/U]

[B] FKK Villa [/B]Am Tönnisberg 1 30453 HANNOVER (Tel. 0511-2626868, 0511-43833415) http:// [url]www.fkk-villa.de[/url]. Open daily from 11H00 till 3H00, entrance is 60€. Pricing is 50€ with 25€ extra for BBBJ. Club has cinema.

[B] Riviera [/B]Roscherstr. 4 30161 HANNOVER (Tel. 0511-3482239).

[B] Château [/B]am Schwanensee Ziegeleiweg 24 30916 ISERNHAGEN (Tel. 05139-8067550) [url]http://www.chateau.de[/url]. Open from 10H00.

[B] Cherie Club [/B]Borgholzhausener Str. 9 49324 MELLE-ALTENMELLE (Tel. 05422-42750).

[B] FKK-Club Osnabrück [/B]Otto-Lilienthalstr. 3 49134 WALLENHORST (Tel. 05407-39111). Open from 10H00 till 24H00, Entrance is free. Pricing is 70€ for one session, 110€ for two sessions and 160€ for 3 sessions. Club has sauna, drinks are extra.

[B] [U]20 NORDRHEIN WESTFALEN[/B][/U]

[B] FKK Dreamland [/B]Arnsberger Str. 20 59759 ARNSBERG (Tel. 02932-38737) [url]http://www.fkk-dreamland.de[/url]. Entrance is free, pricing is 60€ for one session, 120€ for two sessions and 160€ for three sessions.

[B] Life 2000 [/B]Bonnerstr. 8 53173 BONN (Tel. 0228-354774). Open from Monday till Saturday from 21H00 till 5H00.

[B] Club 111 [/B]Bonner Talweg 111 53113 BONN (Tel. 0228-224943). Open from Monday till Friday from 20H00 till 5H00, entrance is 20 € and pricing is 90€ for each session. Drinks are extra.

[B] Sauna Club Palm Beach[/B] Pützchens Chausee 198 53229 BONN-BEUEL (Tel. 0228-480108). Open daily from 20H00 till 5H00.

[B] FKK Burg [/B]Was Sundowner Im Burgacker 45 53123 BONN-DUISDORF (Tel. 0228-9095655) [url]www.fkk-burg.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Friday from 11H00 till 24H00, entrance is 10€. Pricing is 69€/20min for first session, 40€/20min for others.

[B] Sauna Penelope [/B]Essenerstr. 60 46236 BOTTROP (Tel. 02041-63254) [url]www.club-penelope.de[/url]. Open daily from 15H00 till 5H00, from 21H00 till 5H00 disco. Pricing is 50€ for one session and 97€ for two sessions. Club has sauna, swimmingpool indoor and outdoor.

[B] FKK Amnesia [/B]Westring 233A 44579 CASTROP-RAUXEL (Tel. 02305-14223) [url]www.fkk-amnesia.de[/url]. Open daily from 10H00 till 3H00 and Saturday-Sunday from 12H00 till 3H00. Entrance is 50€.

[B] FKK-Pur Dormagen [/B]Rostockerstr. 13 41540 DORMAGEN (Tel. 02133-10808; 02133-10805) [url]http://www.intimes-revier.de/fkk_pur.html[/url]. Open from Monday till Sunday from 11H00 till 1H00, entrance is 26€ and pricing is 46€ for each session. Club has sauna and outdoor garden.

[B] Inge´s Sauna Club [/B]Zollstr. 11 41541 DORMAGEN/ZONS (Tel. 02133-41838). Open from Monday till Friday from 10H00-22H00 and Saturday from 10H00 till 20H00. Entrance is 150€ including drinks, buffet and first session, each other session is 100€. Club has indoor garden.

[B] Club 111 [/B]Westerfilderstr. 108 44357 DORTMUND/WESTERFILDE (Tel. 0231-374625). Open daily from 19H00 till 5H00.

[B] Ballamann 66[/B] Auf dem Damm 31 47137 DUISBURG (Tel. 0203-4508866) [url]www.ballamann66.de[/url]. Open Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 11H00 till 17H00 and 17H00-24H00. Club has sauna and solarium.

[B] FKK-Club Residenz [/B]Konrad-Adenauer-Ring 17 47167 DUISBURG (Tel. 0203-5007667) [url]http://www.fkkresidenz.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00 till 24H00, entrance is free.. Pricing is 50€ for one session, 90€ for two and 125€ for three sessions. Between 11H00 and 14H00 and between 18H and 21H00, Happy Hour, one session is 40€. Drinks are extra and Club has sauna.

[B] Sauna Exclusiv [/B]Weseler Str. 104 48249 DÜLMEN-BULDERN (Tel. 02590-943170). Open from 12H00 till 24H00.

[B] FKK Blue Note [/B]Rather Broich 9 40472 DÜSSELDORF (Tel. 0211-9653730) Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00-01H00, Sunday from 12H00 till 1H00. Entrance is 55€ and pricing is 25€ for each session. Club has sauna, and entrance includes drinks and buffet. There are half a dozen pretty girls.

[B] FKK-Club Dolce Vita[/B] Briedestr. 44 40599 DÜSSELDORF (Tel. 0211-7489046, 0211-7489090) [url]http://www.fkkdolcevita.de[/url]. Open from Sunday au Thursday from 11H00 till 24H00, Friday and Saturday from 11H00 till 03H00. Entrance is free and pricing is 70€ for one session, 95€ for two and 120€ for three sessions. Club has sauna and garden, drinks are extra. There are about 10 girls.

[B] Trauminsel [/B]Dreherstr. 212 40625 DÜSSELDORF (Tel. 0211-232420).

[B] Tropicana [/B]Corneliusstrasse 76 40215 DÜSSELDORF (Tel. 0211-9944715). Open from 10H00 till 3H00. Entrance is free, 25€ if you don’t session. Pricing is 65€ for one session, 99€ for two and 125€ for three sessions. Drinks are extra. There are 8 pretty girls.

[B] FKK-Club Babylon[/B] Oststr. 12 50189 ELSDORF (Tel. 02274-905588) [url]http://www.babylon-wiago.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Thursday and Saturday from 12H00 till 3H00, Friday from 12H00 till 1H00. Entrance is 30€. Pricing is 80€ for one session, the next sessions are 65€. Club has bio sauna, sauna, massage table, drinks are free. This club was a popular one but has gone downhill.

[B] Sauna Club Happy House [/B]Schmemannstr. 2 45326 ESSEN (Tel. 0201-327114). Open Monday-Saturday 21H00-5H00.

[B] Schloß 145[/B] Schloßstr. 145 45359 ESSEN/BORBECK (Tel. 0201-674027) [url]http://www.club-schloss145.de/[/url]. Open from Monday till Friday from 10H00 till 22H00, Saturday from 10H00 till 17H00. Entrance is free and pricing is 79€/30min and 104€/60min. There is no sauna.

[B] Feelings Sauna Club [/B]Elisabethstr. 14 50226 FRECHEN. Open from Monday till Saturday from 10H00 till 1H00. Entrance is 30€, and 15€ from 19H00. Pricing is 80€ for each session. Club has swimmingpool.

[B] Saunaclub Filou[/B] Hohbacke Str. 65 45899 GELSENKIRCHEN (Tel. 0209-1798736). Open daily from 11H00 till 3H00, entrance is free. Pricing is 35€ for one session, 70€ for two and 105€ for three sessions. Club has sauna and swimming pool.

[B] Sauna Club Cleopatra [/B]Im Ried 44 59063 HAMM.

[B] FKK Club Hamm [/B]Waterloostr Waterloostr. 21 59067 HAMM (Tel. 02381-417896). Pricing: 1x50€, 2x75€, 3x105€.

[B] Sauna Exclusiv [/B]Hülskamp 11 59073 HAMM/HEESSEN (Tel. 02381-32561) [url]http://www.sauna-exclusiv.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 20H00. Club has swimmingpool.

[B] FKK-Club Calygula [/B]53773 HENNEF (Tel. 02242-81042) [url]http://www.fkk-club-calygula.de/[/url]. Open from Monday till Thursday from 14H00 till 2H00, Friday and Saturday from 14H00 till 3H00. Entrance is 35€ and pricing is 75€/30min, other half hours for 65€.

[B] Haus 18[/B] Ackerstr. 18 32051 HERFORD (Tel. 02221-109146) [url]http://www.owl-intim.de/haus18.htm[/url]. Open daily from 13H00 till 1H00. Entrance is free and pricing is 50€/30min, 25€ extra for BBBJ. It is not an FKK.

[B] Moonlight Nightclub [/B]Luebbecker Str. 172 32051 HERFORD/LAAR (Tel. 05221-3590).

[B] FKK-Club Werderstr.[/B] Werderstr. 76 44628 HERNE/HORSTHAUSEN (Tel. 02323-80357, 02323-81950) [url]http://www.spassbad-herne.de[/url]. Open daily from 10H00 till 24H00, entrance is 25€ and pricing is 25€ for each session. Club has sauna and swimmingpool.

[B] Asia sex world [/B] Vormwalderstr 1 Hilchenbach 57271 (Tel. 02733 129022) [url]http://asia-sexworld.de/rp.php[/url] opens from 12H00 till 2H00, Friday and Saturday till 3H00. Entrance is free, there is massage and sauna. All girls are Asians and pricing is 50€/30min.

[B] FKK-Pur 14a [/B]Zur Alten Kolonie 14a 59439 HOLZWICKEDE (Tel. 02301-4454). Open daily from 10H00 till 24H00, Entrance is 55€ and pricing is 25€ for each session. Club has sauna.

[B] Haus Chaussee[/B] Chausseestr. 142 59439 HOLZWICKEDE (Tel. 02301-12124). Open daily from 21H00 till 5H00.

[B] Club Michelle [/B]Victoriastr. 10 58636 ISERLOHN (Tel. 02371-437452) [url]http://www.sauna-exclusiv.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Thursday from 21H00 till 4H00, Friday and Saturday from 21H00 till 5H00.

[B] Sauna-Club Tutti Frutti [/B]Buettgenerstr. 2 41564 KAARST (Tel. 02131-62636).

[B] Moonlight Club [/B]August-Thyssenstr. 4 41564 KAARST-HOLZBÜTTGEN (Tel. 02131-67777). Open daily from 11H00 till 5H00, entrance is 80€. Club has jacuzzi and sauna.

[B] Schlaraffenland [/B]Bruchweg 134 41564 KAARST-HOLZBÜTTGEN (Tel. 02131-67711). Open daily from 11H00 till 5H00. Pricing is 60€/30min on daytime and 80€/30min by night, 50€ extra for bare back blow job.

[B] Club Matinee[/B] Fridrichstr. 2 47475 KAMP-LINTFORT (Tel. 02842-929045) [url]http://www.club-matinee.de/[/url]. Entrance is free and pricing is 70€/30min and 120€/60min.

[B] Acapulco Club Sauna [/B]Merowingerstr. 67 50677 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-311645) [url]http://www.acapulco-koeln.de/index.htm[/url]. Open daily from 21H00 till 4H00, entrance is 50€. Pricing is 100€/30min. Club has sauna and swimming pool.

[B] Club Caesar [/B]Stolberger Str. 196c 50933 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-4992200). Open from Monday till Friday from 11H00 till 1H00. Club has sauna, solarium, garden and video.

[B] Club Royal [/B]Niehler Str. 66 50733 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-729579). Open from Monday till Friday from 13H00. Club has sauna, video and jacuzzi.

[B] Pascha [/B] Hornstr. 2 50823 Köln (Tel. 0221/17906100) [url]http://www.pascha.de/[/url] is an Eros Center, a 7 floor building open 24 hors a day, entrance is 5€. Each floor has rooms with girls. Pricing is 30 à 60€. There is also a strp club and and FKK in the same building. The FKK opens from 18H00 to 5H00 and entrance is 150€ and pricing is 100€/30min, not the best FKK option in Germany of course.

[B] Schwitzbad 18[/B] Heinsbergstr. 18 50674 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-237079). Open from Monday till Saturday from 12H00, Sunday from 18H00.

[B] Rosy´s FKK-Sauna [/B]Thürmchenswall 66a 50668 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-1392655). Open from Monday till Friday from 13H00 till 1H00.

[B] Sauna-Club Angelique [/B]Große Brinkgasse 12 50672 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-256862). Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00 till 21H00.

[B] Club Neptunplatz [/B]Neptunplatz 7 50823 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-522985). Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00 till 1H00.

[B] Kings Club [/B]Neusser-Str. 695 50737 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-742558). Open from Monday till Friday from 10H00 till 3H00.

[B] Club Ibiza [/B]Blumenstr. 77a 50670 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-728990). Open from Monday till Saturday from 12H00 till 1H00.

[B] Sauna Club Römerbad[/B] Piusstr. 48 50823 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-511031) [url]www.roemerbad-cologne.de[/url]. Open daily from 20H00, entrance is 50€ and pricing is 100€/30min, half price on Sunday and Monday. Club has sauna, swimmingpool and drinks are extra.

[B] FKK Sudbad [/B]Mattias-Bruggen Str 12 50827 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-595 35 04) [url]www.sudbad.de[/url]. Open daily from 13H00 till 1H00, Friday et Saturday from 13H00 till 3H00. Entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min.

[B] FKK-Sauna-Club Cubana [/B]Alteburger Str. 287 50968 KÖLN/BAYENTHAL (Tel. 0221-388597) [url]http://www.6relax.de/fkk-cubana[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00 till 1H00. Entrance is free from 11H00 till 21H00. Club has sauna and swimming pool.

[B] FKK-Club Mondial [/B]Hugo-Junkers-Str. 10 50739 KÖLN/LONGERICH (Tel. 0221-5896402). Open from Monday till Friday from 10H00 till 3H00, Saturday and Sunday from 12H00 till 3H00. Happy Hour from 10H00 till 14H00. Entrance is 50€ and pricing is 30€ for each session. There are not more than 10 average girls.

[B] Waldsauna[/B] Rather Mauspfad 11 51107 KÖLN (Tel. 0221-865916). Club has swimmingpool and garden.

[B] Sun Club [/B]Hafelsstr. 237 47809 KREFELD-OPPUM (Tel. 02151-547209). Open from 19H00 till 5H00, entrance is free and pricing is 50€ for each session before 22H00 and 100€ for each session after 22H00.

[B] Chalet Club[/B] Im Schmeltebruch 93 33818 LEOPOLDSHÖHE (Tel. 05208-1410).

[B] FKK-Sauna-Club Wiago[/B] Julius-Doms-Str. 12 51373 LEVERKUSEN/KÜPPERSTEG (Tel. 0214-8606124) [url]http://www.babylon-wiago.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 14H00 till 1H00. Entrance is 30€ and free from 14H00 till 17H00. Pricing is 80€ for first session 65€ for the next sessions. Club has sauna, bio sauna, swimmingpool and solarium. Drinks are free.

[B] Club Klein Paris [/B]Hans-Böckler-Str. 48 59348 LÜDINGHAUSEN (Tel. 02591-940516, 02591-940517) [url]www.club-kleinparis.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Friday from 14H00 till 2H00, Saturday from 14H00 till 5H00, Sunday from 12H00 till 20H00. Entrance is free and pricing is 50€ for one session de 20min, 80€ for two and 110€ for three sessions.

[B] La Bouche [/B]Parkstr. 16 44532 LÜNEN (Tel. 02306-24711) [url]www.fkk-la-bouche.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Friday from 12H00 till 1H00, entrance is free. Pricing is 37€ for one session, 75€ for two and 95€ for three sessions. Club has sauna and free buffet.

[B] Business Club Sauna 2000 [/B]Dümmer Weg 228b 45772 MARL/DREWER (Tel. 02365-61929) [url]http://www.bcs2000.de/[/url]. Open from Monday till Sunday from 18H00 till 3H00, pricing starts at 50€.

[B] Flamingo Bar [/B]Korbacher Str. 34431 MARSBERG.

[B] Parkschloß Dali[/B] Madfelderstr. 2 34431 MARSBERG/BREDELAR (Tel. 02991-78156) [url]http://www.parkschlossdali.de[/url]. Open daily from 14H00 till 5H00, entrance is 55€. Pricing is 35€ for each session with 15€ extra for bare back blow job . Club has sauna, jacuzzi and massage table.

[B] Club Cherie [/B]Bruchgasse 10 53894 MECHERNICH/EIFEL (Tel. 02443-2939). Open from Monday till Friday from 20H00 till 5H00, Saturday and Sunday from 21H00.

[B] FKK LuLu 139 [/B]Menden Froendenbergstr. 139 58706 MENDEN (Tel. 02373-389770). Open daily from 11H00 till 22H00, nightclub from 22H00 till 5H00.

[B] Club 119 [/B]Essenberger Str. 119 47443 MOERS (Tel. 02841-954600). Open daily from 17H00 till 3H00. Entrance is free.

[B] Club Bar [/B]Lindenstr. 128 41063 MÖNCHENGLADBACH (Tel. 02161-89482) Open daily from 11H00 till 5H00.

[B] Sauna-Club-2000 [/B]Erzbergerstr. 137 41065 MÖNCHENGLADBACH (Tel. 02161-407293)
[url]http://www.6jetzt.de/sauna-club-2000/index.htm[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 13H00 till 2H00, Sunday from 14H00 till 22H00. Pricing is 60€ for each session including drinks, food and one massage.

[B] Insider Privat Club [/B]Waldhausener Str. 219a 41061 MÖNCHENGLADBACH (Tel. 02161-833933) [url]http://www.6jetzt.de/Insider[/url]. Open from Monday till Thursday from 12H00, Friday till Sunday from13H00.

[B] Tag und Nacht Cafe[/B] Sittard 31 41179 MÖNCHENGLADBACH-RHEINDAHLEN (Tel. 02161-821550) [url]www.tag-nacht-cafe.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Thursday from 17H00 till 3H00, Friday and Saturday from 17H00 till 4H00, Sunday from 17H00 till 1H00. Entrance is 40€ and pricing is 70€.

[B] Club-Bar Paradise[/B] Auf der Heide 20 41462 NEUSS (Tel. 02131-545747).

[B] SG-Club [/B]An der Pforte 1 32457 PORTA WESTFALICA (Tel. 0571-76815).

[B] Club-Sauna Paradiso [/B]Industriestr. 10a 50259 PULHEIM (Tel. 02238-50000). Open from Monday till Thursday from 20H00 till 4H00, Friday and Saturday from 20H00 till 5H00, Sunday from 21H00 till 4H00. Entrance is 25€ and pricing is 80€ for each session. Non-alcoholic drinks are free.

[B] Orchidee Club [/B]Essener Str. 35 40885 RATINGEN (Tel. 02054-8989; 02054-970416) [url]http://www.orchideen-club.de[/url]. Open daily from 11H00 till 22H00 Sauna and from 22H00 till 7H00 Nightclub. Pricing is 65€ for one session, 95€ for two sessions and 120€ for three sessions. From 11H00 till 13h00, first session is 50€. Club has sauna and jacuzzi.

[B] FKK-Sauna Villa Romantika [/B]Blitzkuhlenstr. 109 45659 RECKLINGHAUSEN (Tel. 02361-183910; 02361-15283) :http ://www.fkk-romantica.de:. Open daily from 10H00 till 24H00, from 10H00 till 12H00 and from 21H00 till 24H00 Happy hour. Entrance is 25€ and pricing is 35€/30min.

[B] FKK-Sauna Nahestrasse[/B] Nahestr. 5 45663 RECKLINGHAUSEN (Tel. 02361-996203, 02361-996230). Open from Monday till Friday from 12H00 till 22H00. Club has sauna, swimmingpool and solarium.

[B] FKK Blaue Lagune [/B]Siemensstr. 12 61191 ROSBACH (Tel. 06003-810429, 06003-810988) [url]www.fkk-blaue-lagune.de[/url]. Open daily from 12H00 till 2H00, entrance is 60€.

[B] FKK-Erotikburg[/B] Ludwigstr. 53 53721 SIEGBURG (Tel. 0177-5855361). Entrance is 40€.

[B] FKK Münsterlet[/B] Auf dem Esch 9 48565 STEINFURT (Tel. 02551-834058). Open daily from 10H00 till 5H00. Club has sauna, solarium, jacuzzi.

[B] Club Einsteinstraße [/B]Einsteinstr. 5 53842 TROISDORF (Tel. 02241-404111). Open daily from 20H00 till 4H00.

[B] FKK-Sauna Troisdorf [/B]Otto-Hahn-Str. 10 53842 TROISDORF (Tel. 02241-395434). Open daily from 14H00 till 1H00.

[B] Jenny´s Saunaclub [/B]Ringstr.10 42553 VELBERT/NEVIGES (Tel. 02053-7466 or 5408). Open from Monday till Thursday from 11H00 till 1H00, Friday from 11H00 till 3H00, Saturday from 11H00 till 5H00. Entrance is free and pricing is 70€ for one session, 100€ for two and 130€ for three sessions, two sessions with jacuzzi.

[B] Diana Bar [/B]Rahser Feld 1 41748 VIERSEN (Tel. 02162-21666).

[B] Club Schneewittchen[/B] Gladbacherstr. 513 41748 VIERSEN (Tel. 02162-23445) [url]http://www.schneewittchen-club.de/[/url]. Open daily, FKK from 11H00à 20H00, and nightclub from 20H00 till 3H00. Entrance is 25€ daytime and pricing is 45€/30min during FKK, 60€/30min and 115€/60min during nightclub. Club has 500m2 with bar, Jacuzzi, and dance floor.

[B] Steinegge[/B] Detmolder Str. 90 32602 VLOTHO/EXTER.

[B] Saunaclub Sunshine[/B] Blumenkamper Weg 6 46485 WESEL (Tel. 0281-66888). Open from Monday till Friday from 11H00 till 22H00. Pricing starts at 50€.

[B] Sauna-Club Cocoon [/B]Mollenkotten 243 42279 WUPPERTAL(Tel. 0202-2548289, 0178-7291147) [url]www.fkk-cocoon.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 10H00 till 3H00, Sunday from 12H00 till 3H00. Entrance is 50€, 35€ between 10H00 and 14H00 and between 20H00 and 23H00. Pricing is 25€/20min, 50€/40min, 75€/60min with 10€ extra for bare back blow job. Club has sauna and swimming pool .

[B] FKK Club Aphrodite [/B]Friedrich-Engels-Allee 311 42283 WUPPERTAL (Tel. 0202-6981047). Open from 11H00, entrance is 30€ and pricing is 25€ for one session, 50€ for two and 75€ for three sessions.

[B] [U]21 RHEINLAND PFALZ[/B][/U]

[B] Finka Erotica [/B]Postr 20 56269 DIERDORF (Tel. 02689 - 972 945 0) [url]www.finca-erotica.de[/url]. Open daily from 10H00 till 4H00. Entrance is 50€. Club has swimmingpool, sauna and cinema.

[B] FKK-Colonia [/B]Horchstr. 2 50259 PULHEIM-BRAUWEILER (Tel. 02234-200592). Open Sunday till Thursday from 15H00 till 2H00, Friday and Saturday from 15H00 till 5H00. Entrance is 25€, free between 15H00 and 20H00 drinks are extra. Pricing is 25€ for each session.

[B] Dolce-Vita [/B]Westerwald Harschbacher Str. 43 56316 RAUBACH (Tel. 02684-4880, 02684-4141) [url]http://www.dolce-vita-raubach.de[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 12H00 till 3H00, Sunday from 12H00 till 1H00. Club has swimmingpool, sauna, solarium, and massage table. There are about 10 girls.

[B] [U]22 SAARLAND[/B][/U]

[B] FKK-Club Neunkirchen [/B]Betzenhölle 20 66538 NEUNKIRCHEN (Tel. 06821-865606) [url]http://www.fkk-neunkirchen.com[/url]. Open Monday-Saturday 11H00-2H00 and Sunday from 18H00 till 2H00. Entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min. Club has sauna, jacuzzi, bio sauna, solarium and outdoor garden. There are half a dozen average girls.

[B] FKK-Club 214[/B] Saarbrücken Luisenthaler Str. 214 66115 SAARBRÜCKEN (Tel. 0681-776420) [url]www.fkk-saarbruecken.com[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00 till 2H00 and Sunday from 18H00 till 2H00. Entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min. Club has swimmingpool, sauna, solarium. There are many French customers as it is close to the French border, there are up to 20 girls.

[B] [U]23 SACHSEN[/B][/U]

[B] FKK et Saunaclub Europa [/B]Essener Str. 27a 04129 LEIPZIG (Tel. 0341-2251751) [url]http://www.fkk-europa.de[/url]. Open daily from 12H00 till 2H00. Entrance is 45€ and pricing is 50€ for each session, BBBJ for 50€ extra.

fkk, an acronym for the term "freikörperkultur" meaning “free body culture” in english, was originally attached to german nudist camps, but later came to describe the sex clubs. those brothels are managed as if they are nudist swing saunas: girls and men pay entrance to be able to use the clubs facilities and what happens between them is not supposed to be the club’s business. this is how fkk are a legal business in germany. still, if the girls are freelance, pay only an entrance and keep all the money they earn from the customers, they agree to respect a few rules including dressing code, health test and agreement about the club’s clear pricelist. the dressing code may differ from one club to another. a genuine fkk refers to a dressing code where girls are naked and men wear a towel around their waist. if dressing code is lingerie for girls and bathrobe for men, it’s not supposed to be an fkk but a sauna club. except for dressing code, there is no difference between the two types of clubs.

most of the fkk clubs are discretely located in the countryside outside the city centers. they are not easy to find and far from any public transport. most convenient is to rent a car and use a gps or take a taxi from the closest town. the entrance fee (between 25€ and 70€ depending the clubs) allows to use the facilities of the club until closing time. they include most of the time non-alcoholic drinks as well as a buffet. some fkk provide even free beers, but all other alcoholic drinks are extra if supplied. all fkk have showers, sauna, bedrooms and bar. most have additional facilities like dancing stage, hammam, jacuzzi, swimmingpool, cinema, massage table or outdoor garden.

if it’s the first time, the girl at the reception explains pricing and rules. one of the girls will probably help you to get around. you receive locker’s key, sandals, towel and maybe bathrobe. you are supposed to take a shower at arrival and between each session. some fkk provide personal safety boxes for wallet, which makes it easier to pay. keep in mind that mutual respect is highly valued in fkk. respect the girls and other customers, have a good attitude, stay sober and take care of body hygiene, in one word, be a gentleman.

most girls are very beautiful. not all of course, but on the other hand some are true top models. they are between 20 and 30 years old, some are german but most are from eastern europe (russia, romania, hungary, poland, ukraine, bulgaria, estonia, moldavia…) and sometimes from other european countries (spain, france, italy, belgium, netherlands, great britain…). there are always a few more exotic girls from south america (brazil, venezuela, cuba, dominican republic, colombia…), asia (thailand, philippines…), middle east (morocco, tunisia, algeria, turkey, iran…) or africa (ghana, kenya…).

customers are mainly german, it is not always easy to get around in english. any club may refuse entrance to anyone that may endanger safety or comfort of girls or other customers. some budget clubs in nordrhein westphalen especially those from the red carpet group are notorious for discrimination and will suggest to head to sister club salome that caters more to the middle eastern customers. cocoon and tropicana do the same and redirect the unwanted customers to sister club ali baba. but if you avoid those clubs, have good attitude, are well dressed, and of course sober, it is most unlikely to be refused entrance, even if you belong to an ethnic minority. fkk close to the border like goldentime and happy garden may have more belgian and dutch customers. but only the bigger clubs in frankfurt are really international minded and have customers coming from all over the world: usa, eec, japan, turkey…here, apart from german, everybody can speak english and sometimes even a few other languages too.

in some fkk, girls are not supposed to approach customers, you will have to make the first move. most girls speak german apart from their own language. not all will speak fluent english, but language is seldom an issue, you will manage it, don't worry. try to have some conversation with the girl before to head to the room and check if there’s a mutual chemistry. however, keep in mind that she is supposed to earn money, don’t make her loose time if you don’t want to go further. can a girl refuse to go to the room? yes of course, and that's better too. still, this seldom happens, no matter age, weight, ethnic origin or physical appearance. what matters most for girls is attitude and hygiene.

other fkk allow girls to approach, sometimes only in some areas like the cinema. even if you don't want to go to the room, that doesn't mean that you need to act as an asshole. if a girl smiles to you, smile too. if a girl says hello to you, always reply and be nice. it may be difficult to decline sometimes as some girls are hard to resist to or may insist to go to the room. but don’t go to if you don’t want to, just refuse politely. action can start even outside the room. discussion and even touching is allowed, but any penetration including blowjob is supposed to close the deal even without oral agreement. you may then proceed to the room or even continue where you are. session in room remains the norm. some fkk however are famous for coach action like bernds. other fkk have specific areas for this like the cinema. audience is supposed to respect intimacy and discretely look from a distance but moslty even act as if nothing happens.

there is no need to discuss pricing, the club has a clear pricelist. mainly there is a price for time (between 25€/20min till 50€/30min depending the clubs). standard service for this price is full service and may include kissing and even bbbj. except for specific service, don't negotiate pricing and also don't tip. if you want to reward a girl, go for an extended time or for another session. quality of service is usually excellent. still, service will vary from girl to girl. not all girls allow fingering, some only allow fingering of the pussy, some want extra for fingering, some want to charge anal price for fingering of the anus, and some will let you finger every hole deeply for no extra fee. same for kissing. some will do dfk, some only do light kissing, and some will push their tongue down into your stomach and taste your cornflakes. regarding rimming, many dont allow it, some want extra, some charge anal prices. cim is always extra, except for bernds. anal is always extra but not always available, it must been agreed before. as a rule, multi cums are not allowed within half hour session, and is supposed to go only for extended time. needless to say, condoms are mandatory for sex and anal.

group sex is possible too. for a trio, each girl has to be paid separately the usual rate for the amount of time. lesbian show is sometimes extra. for two men with one girl, the rate is double. for bigger groups, it's better to negociate the deal before. keep in mind that condom must be changed with each girl.

fkk are extremely custumor minded as they cater to regular local customers. fkk are very safe, you will never see any bouncer, unless there is a problem. management tries to make you feel comfortable during all your stay. if any disagreement occurs between you and a girl, feel free to discuss it with the management.

there are more than hundred fkk in germany, most of them in nordrhein westfalen. it is a matter of taste and of location too. some prefer the bigger clubs with better choice, other prefer smaller and more intimate clubs. some prefer harder clubs approaching girls and couch action, other prefer are more quiet environment. some are sensible about facilities or food and drinks, other care only about the girls. most are regular customers and chose to go where they can meet up some friends, regular girls.

there are fkk everywhere in nordrhein westfalen. everything started here more than 20 years ago with the legendary bernd’s that is still rated as the fkk with the best service. but there are now many more fkk with much bigger selection. goldentime is currently the one with the best line-up, up to 50 girls doing even better than the more experienced happy garden with around 30 to 40 girls. there are other excellent clubs to try like samya or parksauna. but most other clubs are lesser known and have no more than a dozen girls.

nevertheless, if nordrhein westfalen has the best choice of fkk, the major ones are in frankfurt. the legendary atlantis was considered to be the greatest fkk ever, but had been closed by local authorities in 2004. frankfurt has still 3 top clubs, oase palace and world. they are the best clubs of germany and probably of the world. oase has the most girls, up to 80 at some nights and the atmosphere is amazing. world located in a former millionaire’s house has the most impressive facilities and palace has the best location inside frankfurt close to an ibis hotel and a metro and at a few minutes drive from one of the world’s major airline hub.

other parts of germany have few choice but offer still a couple of good opportunities: villa in hannover, artemis and la folie in berlin, colosseum in augsburg, flamingo island close to studgart or fkk214 in saarbrücken.

last advice: don’t under estimate the addiction for this unique concept providing all the basic needs of a human being: lodging, food, sex and social interaction. yes, if paradise exists, it looks probably like that: a feeling of total satisfaction in this high scale environment with all those young and beautiful naked girls ready to fulfil any fantasy…

[b] [u]1 bernd's [/b] [/u]

[b] bernd´s saunaclub [/b] (schieferhof) schieferhof 28 53773 hennef/lichtenberg (tel. 02248-1529) [url]http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de[/url]. open from monday till thursday from 14h00 till 0h00, friday from 14h00 till 1h00. entrance is 70€ and pricing is 50€ for session.

this club is a legend, the mother of all fkk. a naked girl will welcome you at entrance. yes, it is also one of the hottest. there are even rumors that bareback is offered for extra. girls are chosen for the quality of service. the basic service for 50€ includes cim. couch action is a common view. customers are all regulars for many years, average customers' age seems higher than anywhere else. last but not least, entrance in bern’s includes free entrance in sister club sudbad for the same day.

[b] [u]2 colosseum [/b][/u]

[b] colosseum augsburg [/b]gobener strasse 13 augburg [url]http://www.colosseum-club.de[/url]. open from 14h00 till 3h00. entrance is 60€ and pricing is 50€/30min.

it’s the best club in the munich area, but also one of the only one in southern germany. facilities are new with two saunas, jacuzzi, swimmingpool, but however no cinema or outdoor garden. there are around 30 girls mainly young and beautiful from eastern europe.

[b] [u]3 goldentime[/b][/u]

[b] goldentime [/b] heidweg 1 41379 bruggen (tel. 02163 8894760) [url]www.goldentime.de[/url]. open from monday-saturday 11h00 till 1h00 and sunday from 13h00 till 1h00. entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min and 75€/60min.

not too difficult to find along the b221 at 2.5km from the center of bruggen going towards venlo. from a61 between venlo and münchengladbach, take exit 3 towards bruggen. drive for about 6km on b221, you will find a building material store on your right hand side. take this road, it’s heidweg and the club is right in front of the entrance of the store’s parking entrance. there is no sign whatever, but you will easily notice the numerous cars parked coming from different countries. once allowed inside, pay 50€ at the girl at the reception, she will hand you over the magnetic locker’s key and bathrobe and give the usual information if it’s the first time.

the good atmosphere starts immediately at the lockers room, as girls shower together with customers. once in the main room, you will also understand why the customers call themselves white bears.

the facilities are sober, modern, clean, and practical. a large u bar offer free drinks including beers as well as buffet. there are everywhere sofa to relax, including at the veranda outside. the sauna is in the patio, together with the jacuzzi and the massage table. but during the summer, the best part is the outdoor garden with outdoor facilities to relax and even more. there are more than 40 girls in lingerie to keep you company. most are from eastern europe and germany, but there are also a few more exotic girls. most speak german, some speak also english. they are not supposed to approach you at first, except in the cinema. yes, the cinema is definitely the hottest place. you may get rapped here by two girls, no one in the audience will interfere! but if you prefer some more intimacy, there are plenty of rooms, included some romantic outdoor chalets. needless to negotiate for pricing, everything is very clear: 50€ for the first half hour and 25€ each next half hour. this includes bbbj.

goldentime is a new club, but it has become within a few years the best of nordrhein westfalen, with many customers coming even from holland and belgium.

[b] [u]4 flamingo island[/b][/u]

[b] fkk flamingo island [/b]ferdinand-porsche-str. 6 76275 ettlingen (tel. 07243-52 44 52) [url]www.fkk-flamingo-island.de[/url]. entrance is 60€.

it’s the best club close to studgart, with about 20 to 30 girls, most are young and pretty and coming from eastern europe. the atmosphere looks like a disco, girls have fun. facilities are excellent.

from a5, take exit 47 ettlingen towards the industrial area of ettlingen west. take hertz strasse at the second roundabout, then take siemens strasse left. it will become ferdinand porsche strasse, the club is at the right hand side.

[b][u]5 oase[/b][/u]

[b] fkk-oase burgholzhausen [/b]ober-erlenbacher-str. 109 61352 obererlenbach (tel. 06007-7930551, 06007-930643) [url]http://www.fkk-oase.de[/url]. open daily from 10h00 till 4h00, entrance is 65€ including non-alcoholic drinks. pricing is 50€/30min including bbbj. thursday is dessous tag, girls wear lingerie. other days they are naked.
oase is located about 30km north of frankfurt halfway on the road between burgholzhausen and ober-erlenbach. your gps or software map may be confused with this location, as ober-erlenbacher-str. is a small side way, and that there are at least two other street with the same name in the area (yes, even hotel katharinenhof has the same street name, but is not in the same street than oase). to avoid any other confusion, this is the exact gps location: n50 14.454 e8 40.659.

without gps, here a very useful road description:

from the intersection of a3 and a5 at the frankfurt airport take a5 north for exactly 18 kilometers till you see the large blue sign that says bad homburger kruez. when you see this sign get over to the right lane and be ready to exit when you see another smaller blue sign that will say oberusel / bad homburg / offenbach / f-ost / a661. take the second (farther) exit that says oberusel / bad homburg. this will put you on a661.

if you are coming from the north going south on a5 your exit will say oberusel / bad homburg / a661 and will be exactly 6.6 kilometers south of the bose building that you will see on your right off the autobahn and might be faster and less confusing if coming from fkk world than trying to go overland at night.

stay on a661, which will suddenly force you to get into the left lane because the road narrows. stay to the right till you see another blue sign that says bad homburg / stadtmitte. this exit should be approximately 1.5 kilometers from where you entered a661. take this exit and as soon as you exit, once again stay to your right, and take the first exit and you will come to a stoplight.

from her on follow signs to ober-erlenbach. make a right at the light and 3.4 kilometers straight ahead you will have passed 4 left hand turns. by left hand turns i mean turns where the road widens and there is an arrow on the road allowing you to turn left. (don’t count driveways, parking lots etc.) continue on to one more left turn, which will be your fifth coming off of a661. take this left and continue straight and make another left, which is just after you go under a road and is only 0.3 kilometers from the fifth left. continue on for 1.1 kilometers and you will pass an aral gas station on your right but at night it is not lit up. you are in the center of ober-erlenbach.

go to your next obvious left. make that left and on your left will be a taunus sparkase bank, which is lit up. go up the hill and in exactly 0.2 kilometers you will see a yellow sign with burgholzhausen in black pointing to the left. make that left and continue on for 1.5 kilometers and you will see oase sauna club on you left. it is the only thing in that area that is lit up at night.

anyway, don’t worry, all the first timers experience problems finding oase. but the efforts are worth it!

if you chose to go by public transport, a taxi ride from frankfurt costs 40€-45€ for a 20-30 min ride. better is to take from frankfurt main station the s5 (cost is 3.5€) to bad homburg (20-25min) or friedrichsdorf (60min). from there take a taxi, it will cost only 7€ from friedrichsdorf or 12€ from bad homburg.

by the way, oase advertises also for a limousine service that can pick you up at hotel or airport (with escort if you ask for it!). pricing is 150€/60min and phone 06007 930643.

you can safely leave your car at the parking, as there is a security guard at the entrance (probably to prevent detectives or wifes checking cars). he will be the only security guard you will see, but believe me, he is not alone. oase like all fkk is extremely clean and safe. a pedestrian road will bring you to the entrance of the club. there are some surprising tennis courts outside, but even in the summer, don’t expect finding naked girls playing tennis! a few greco-roman styled statues will give you the theme of oase: a greco roman orgy.

at the entrance, you will be buzzed in. oase has clearly no discrimination policy against foreigners. but take care, it is however a gentlemen's club. be smart dressed and don't come in large number or drunk. in the club you are supposed to keep low profile, respect the girls and other customers. the girl behind the desk will welcome you. you pay 65€ entrance, and you will be asked if it is your first time. don’t worry, if you answer yes, you just will receive some additional info. you will then receive your towel and your locker key, and you can go to the locker room. the locker room is at the basement, and you will cross the main bar, giving a first glance of the club. you undress, leave your clothes in the locker, take your first shower, and you are ready to explore the club dressed with a towel and sandals.

you may experience some orientation problems at first, as oase has several narrow stairs and corridors to go from one place to another. but you will easily find the main bar where non-alcoholic drinks are available for free. in front of this bar are the safes, where you can leave your wallet with your money. it’s the same key as the locker for your clothes.

a little further than the bar is the main club area. many sofas all around, plasma screens with porno movies (who the hell needs to watch a porno movie when being inside the world’s greatest brothel!). in the middle of this area, a dancing scene for the evening shows. and everywhere young beautiful naked girls coming from all over the world! on thursday, the dressing code for the girls is lingerie. when both shifts are in the club, between 6pm and 12pm, there are up to 60 girls. on daytime, expect half of that. they nearly all are beautiful (most 7-8, with a couple 9 and an occasional 10), between 20 and 30 years old, most are from eastern europe (russian, bulgarian, romanian, ukrainian, lithuanian, hungarian…), several german, several latina (venezuela, dominican republic, cuba, colombia, mexico, brazil…), several middle eastern (turkish, moroccan…), a few blacks (caribbean or african). most speak german and english. most customers are german, but there are also a lot other european, american, japanese and turkish. this international atmosphere is very friendly and relaxed and a bit erotic as there is sometimes some coach action. it’s easy to socialize, the girls are always ready for fun or some nice conversation. after a few hours, you will know most of the girls, and even if the club seems too big to be intimate, you will experience that strange feeling to feel at home in this mythic and decadent place.

at the back is the entrance of the cinema. take care when entering here for the first time, it is not for the weak of heart! if you are not raped by a few girls waiting to trap an innocent customer, you will enjoy a 3d porno movie, as there is coach action everywhere, including on stage! you can be a porn star yourself, sharing the screen/stage with famous porno stars briana banks or jenna jameson.

the main area can get over smoked and over crowded, especially in the evening. on the other side of the club is a more relaxed and quiet area with the swimming pool, jacuzzi, solarium and some tables to sit around and look at the plasma screen tv (but this time without porno) or to enjoy the buffet. the free buffet is served in the beginning of the afternoon and the beginning of the evening. here is also a major shower room with clean towels, as you are supposed to shower between each session, as well as a small massage room for professional massage in the corridor.

but the most impressive area (at summer time at least) is the outdoor garden, the best of all fkk. there are two nice wooden saunas, a hot outdoor jacuzzi, a bar and everywhere around outdoor beds for relaxing in the sun, alone or with some company. yes, you can even have public couch action in open air! a trio with two gorgeous sexy girls on a summer night under the stars is an unforgettable experience!

of course, don’t worry if public sex is not (yet) your idea of fun. there are plenty of available rooms everywhere in the club. you can go to a room with any of the girls, your age or weight is not an issue, no matter how gorgeous the girl is. only lack of hygiene or rude attitude may be an issue. as soon as you make eye contact, the girl will usually come to you. there is however no hassling. don't be shy to go by yourself and start conversation. it is not necessary to ask for pricing, as it is standard. there is no ripp-off. the pricing is 50€/30min (50€ for every additional 30min). this includes usually dfk, daty and bbbj. if there was some couch action before but it was short enough (5-10min), then timing is supposed to start when entering the room. but as soon as couch action has started (typically kissing or bbbj), you are supposed to go with the girl for a complete session. check pricing before for any additional service, but usually cim or cob is 50€ extra, anal is 100€ extra and trio is 50€/30min for each girl. girls in oase are much more open minded towards specific fantasies than at other fkk. expect to spend 300€/night as even without additional service it is hard to resist against multiple sessions, no matter how old you are. oase will make you discover unknown territories. but oase will reveal all it's magic when you will meet that unforgettable girl that will give not only sex, but her heart and her soul. a matter of chemistry...

[b] [u]6 palace[/b][/u]

[b] fkk-palace [/b]königsbergerstr. 23 60487 frankfurt (tel. 069 70791716) [url]http://www.fkk-paradies.de[/url]. open daily from 11h00 till 4h00, entrance is 65€ and pricing is 50€/30min. wednesday is dessous tag, girls wear lingerie. all other days they are naked.

palace is in a small industrial section and the entrance is in the back of a large industrial building. it is indicated by clear signs, which is quite unusual for fkk. it is convenient located in town and there is a nearby subway station industriehof at 250m, as well as a nearby ibis hotel at 300m.

from a5, look for signs to the a66. get on the a66 and take the exit for miquellalee. then follow all white/black signs to hausen. once in hausen, look for an aral petrol station on your right. it has a large blue sign. just after this petrol station, there is a major right hand turn with several signs pointing mainly to industrial area locations, but one of the signs points the way to palace.

during daytime action is slow. the breakfast buffet is offered daily from 10 am till 3 pm. you may enjoy the evening buffet daily from 6 pm till 10 pm. buffet is included in the entrance fee.

at the reception a lady will greet you. in return for the entrance fee of 65€ you will be given key, a towel and some explanations if it is your first time. bathrobes are also available if a towel is not convenient for you. you can undress, take your first shower and put on your towel and sandals in the changing room. leave your clothes in the locker and there is a separate locker for your money and other valuables outside the changing room.

the theme is of a turkish or arabian palace, as if you are in a dream of 1001 nights in the middle of a harem. the decoration is impressive. the main area has a main bar in the center with free non-alcoholic drinks. everywhere around there are large soft benches and coloured pillows. in the middle of the main area there is a huge jacuzzi with nice lightning and fountain to relax. a funny thing is that harley davidson on a turning platform, used mainly for the dancing show, but could be also an eye-blink to their competitors in pohlheim. there are several luxurious marble showers, as well as a sauna. but the most impressive is that huge marble hammam including a guy that rub your old skin off after, as well as a girl offering other massage. this is of extra cost of course. there is a cinema with a large screen and about four terraced levels of mattresses perfect for relaxing or having sex in view of everyone. rooms are on the same level as the main area. however, there are no outdoor facilities.

the lighting is typically rather low and at first sight, girls seem much more beautiful than for example at oase in daylight in the garden. still, the line up is impressive. there are about 40 girls age between 20 and 30, rated 7-8 with several 9. most girls are of course eastern european (romanian, russian, bulgarian, hungarian, ukrainian…), several german but also a good quantity of more exotic girls (moroccan, venezuelan, dominican, colombian, turkish…). a better diversity than for example at world. most speak german, but also english. the dressing code for the girls is naked. session is 50€ for every 30min, which includes usually bbbj, daty and dfk. there is a nice relaxed atmosphere. girls are not hassling, but you can have some good fun with them between the sessions. there is some coach action, mostly in the cinema.

[b] [u]7 parksauna[/b][/u]

[b] parksauna wildenrath [/b]heinsberger str. 35 41844 wegberg/wildenrath (tel. 02432 908535) [url]www.parksauna-wildenrath.de[/url]. open from monday till thursday from 14h00 till 4h00, friday from 11h00 till 4h00, saturday from 14h00 till 4h00, sunday from 17h00 till 2h00.

get down to the a52, and take it towards roermond. if you are on the a52 take exit 3 niederkrüchten, take a right at the end of the exit and just drive straight on that street for about 10km. you will pass through a couple of towns like arsbeck and other names like that. stay on the same road, and then the road goes down into a valley and woods and then comes wegberg. once you get into the town it is immediately on your left hand side. at night you cannot miss it, during the day look for the bp gas station.

it is a rather small club with not more than 15 girls, mostly from poland. there is a nice outdoor garden, but most girls wait at the bar area inside. sauna and showers are at the same level than the bar. drinks including beers are self service and there is a free buffet. the rooms are upstairs, together with other showers as well as a cinema and a relax zone. this is the area for public sex if any. the girls are not supposed to approach you, which might make the place quiet boring, especially if you are not familiar with anyone. still, this club has an excellent reputation, as girls are at average more beautiful than in other fkk and service is excellent.

pricing was the same than in goldentime or happy garden, but has recently changed. management tries a new concept with free entrance. check before for the latest pricing list.

[b] [u]8 planet happy garden[/b][/u]

[b] planet happy garden [/b]butzenstr. 41 47918 tönisvorst/oedt (tel. 02152-519103) [url]http://www.planet-happy-garden.info/[/url]. open from monday till saturday from 11h00 till 1h00, sunday from 15h00 till 1h00. entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min and 75€/60min including bbbj.

not easy to find it in a small industrial area in the middle of the countryside between krefeld, kempen grafath-oedt st tönis vorst and viersen süchteln. from a61 take exit 6 süchteln. at the end of the exit turn right towards viersen-süchteln, continue down the hill to the 2nd set of lights, where you take a right and follow the street to the end of town towards vorst / krefeld. at the next set of lights turn left towards oedt, after a couple of kilometers, turn right at the church in the direction of krefeld / kempen / st. tönis, at the 1st intersection turn right towards krefeld / st. tönis and after 30 meters turn right again.

it’s one of the oldest fkk and remains one of the best of nordrhein westfalen. there are always 30-40 girls in lingerie. atmosphere looks like a pub for regular customers. during the winter if outdoor facilities are not available, it can even become boring, as there are no other facilities than the sauna. the girls are not supposed to approach and there is no cinema. still is remains a good value along the years.

[b] [u]9 samya[/b][/u]

[b] sauna club samya [/b]kirschbaumweg 26a 50996 köln-roenkirchen (tel. 02236/969636) [url]http://www.samya.de/[/url]. open from monday till saturday from 11h00 till 1h00 and sunday from 15h00 till 1h00. entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min including bbbj.

samya is a new fkk in köln. when driving on the a4, take the a555 at exit 12 towards rodenkirchen. once on a555, take exit 3 again towards rodenkirchen. continue following the sign rodenkirchen, you will cross the a555. go straight for 1.2 km and turn left at the second traffic light at emile hoffman strasse. you are in an industrial area. take the third street left again at kirschbaumweg. after 150m, you will see samya, a two-storey white building on the right side of the street.

with public transport, take the ubahn 16 from the central train station in köln, and after 25 min get out at michaelshoven. it’ a 5 min walk from there. else, a taxi will cost you 15€ from the central train station.

there is a safe and discrete parking at the back of the club. the entrance is at the back, in the parking. once buzzed inside, you pay the girl at the desk the 50€ entrance. she will ask the size for your sandals, but also the size for your bathrobe. you will receive the towels, as well as the locker key to hang on the neck. she will ask you if it’s the first time. if it is so, she will give the additional information: 50€ entrance for all the facilities of the club, food and non-alcoholic drinks or beers. the massage is additional, and the fees for the girls are 50€/30min and 75€/60min. (not 25€ every next 30min, this means that 2 hours is 150€ and not 125€). this includes bbbj, dfk and fs. there is a list of the girls and their fees for additional services at the entrance, but better to be discussed before.

everything is sterile clean, it was a former clinic. you can still spot at the entrance door the sign: ”zur therapien”. lockers room is in the basement, as well as the showers, a relaxing area with a finish sauna, a bio sauna, a steam bath, the massage table and some excellent relaxing chairs. on the main floor is the main meeting area with the girls. here also it’s sterile clean with a tile floor, but there is still a warm mediterranean atmosphere. there are some sofas and tables, a main bar, the buffet area with a high eating table. there is no sign whatsoever that it’s a sex club (except the girls of course). the atmosphere is of a regular bar, even the plasma screens are tuned on sport channels, and don’t show the usual porn stuff. food is self-service, as well as the cold drinks from the fridge. coffee or tea is available at the bar. there is no outdoor area or kino.

there are usually 15-20 girls, mostly between 20-30 aged, rated 6-8 and from eastern europe. on there website you can have the description, pictures, and schedule of most girls. most have lingerie, but a few are naked. once you have met a girl, you can go for a room on the first floor. the rooms are nice and big. on the second floor there is a vip area that can be hired for a group. they hire it even for professional purposes like business meetings, training or seminars think of it! this club is extremely customer minded. there are different vip cards for regular customers.

[b] [u]10 world[/b][/u]

[b] fkk-world [/b]grüninger weg 35415 pohlheim-garbenteich (tel. 06404-659388) [url]www.fkk-world.de[/url]. open daily from 10h00 till 4h00, friday and saturday till 5h00. entrance is 65€. pricing is 50€/30min. on tuesday, girls wear lingerie, other days they don’t wear anything else than shoes.

without street number, the gps will leave you in the middle of the road, but ther is a clear sign indicationg the parking entrance. without gps, leave a5 at exit fernwald. at the exit turn right. next possibility left, at the next crossing turn right. at the traffic light turn left. next possibility right, then again right towards a sporting field. stay on this street, passing a railway junction. now you can see fkk-world left hand. there are two parking lots p1 and p2. on the right side, there is a building with private rooms for the girls. the entrance is the building on the left side. surprisingly, there is not the usual buzzer, you enter directly in the lobby. they probably don't have to fear anything, as it is well known that the club belongs to the hells angels. you pay the entrance fee to the lady behind the counter, you give you'r shoe size and she will give you you'r locker key and you'r first bath towel. at any time later, you can take new towels at the entrance. you'r sandals will be waiting for you inside you'r locker. the lockers room is the door behind the counter on the left side.

you undress yourself, putting everything exept you'r wallet in the locker. you'r wallet can be left in a separete security locker (same number and same key as the previous locker), also in the locker's room. this is more convenient for you when you will need to pay the girls after every session. in the locker rrom, you will also find the bin where you will have to leave you'r sandals when leaving the club, as well as a bin for the towels. the showers are right behind the locker's room, as well as the toilet. you are supposed to take a shower at entrance and after very session. there are other showers in the basement of the building. you can change your towel after every shower. put your towel around your whaist and enter the paradise, right behind the curtain of the locker's room!

fkk world is the house of a former millionaire, and the facilities are by far the biggest of all the fkk in germany. the main room looks like a disco with a bar (non alcaholic drinks are for free all the day long), a dancing stage, disco lightings, numerous couches and plasma tv screens showing porns (who is going to look a porn here, as what you see for real looks much better!). this is the main meeting place, most girls will be here. behind a curtain there is a movie theatre showing also porns. here is usually where a lot of couch action is happening. close to the main room is also the dining room, a big dining table and a buffet offering also all day long food for free. feel free to eat together with a girl here.

downstairs is a big indoor swimming pool. most people seem to fear to swim here, but it is nice to sit around and look the nakes girls pass allong. there is also a huge jacuzzi, a massage salon, a hammam and two saunas around. a nice place to hang around is the cozy lounge with fireplace and numerous couches. at the back there is an alcaholic bar including champagne, but few use this facility, as you need to pay additional for it. outside there is a large garden outdoor pool and sun deck, but usefull only during summer.

everything is very clean, all the night long, the management takes care about this. the management is very helpfull and friendly.

atmosphere is very relaxed. most customers are 30-40 years old germans, a few turkish and an occasional american. expect about 25 girls between 10am and 6pm, and between 12pm and 5am. but during 6pm and 12pm, both "shifts" are present, which means 50 girls in the evening. only oase has a bigger line up. the girls are nearly all aged between 20 and 25, and nearly all rated 7-8. a few dogs (overweighted or overaged), but also a few 9 stunners. most of the girls are eastern european (russian, hongarian, ukrainian, romenian...), a few german, a few blacks (caribbean or african), and some occasional other nationality. diversity and quantity enough to find what you are looking for. all girls speak german, but most will speak also enough english.

pricing is very simple: 50€ every 30 min (includding bbbj, fs and nearly always dfk), and 50 euro additional for cim or cob. action can happen anywhere, but most commonly you will go with her to one of the numerous bedrooms. no key hassling like in some dusseldorf area fkk. the bedrooms are quite simple, some however are more luxious and have for example mirrors. it is possible to hire a vip room. this room is even available for 150€ between 5am and 10 am. if you agree with a girl to keep you company, this allows you to stay in fkk world till the next day, that means 24 hour a day sex!

[b] [u]11 partytreff[/b][/u]

partytreff is an all-inclusive fkk. once you have paid an entrance fee, you can have as much sex as you want (or as you can) with the available girls till closing time. it’s supposed to be a swingerclub, but the management provides professional girls for entertainment as there are much more single than couples. they tend to be less beautiful than in regular fkk, but they are very enthusiastic. action is everywhere in the club, there may be some private rooms available, but it’s mainly public as well as group sex in front of a close audience. better be warned! most of those partytreff clubs are in nordrhein westfalen.

[b] beverly [/b]eschbachstrasse 149 d-42659 solingen [url]http://www.beverly2000.net/[/url]. entrance is 70 à 150€ depending the nights. its in fact a genuine swingerclub with however a few pros.

[b] partytreff dorsten [/b]beckenkamp 22 gewerbegebiet beckenkamp dorsten wulfen (tel. 0 23 69 20 68 76) [url]http://www.partytreff-dorsten.de/[/url]. open from sunday till thursday from 10h00 till 0h00, friday from 10h00 till 1h00 and saturday from 12h00 till 3h00. entrance is 99€. they provide about a dozen girls from poland, among the best line-up of all partytreff.

[b] partytreff tatort[/b] körner hellweg 81 44135 dortmund (tel. 0231-591112) [url]http://www.partykreis-dortmund.de[/url]. open from monday till friday from 11h00 till 17h00, saturday and sunday from 17h00 till 24h00. entrance is 117€ and 97€ after 21h00.

[b] partytreff pegasus [/b]bankstr. 69 40476 düsseldorf (tel. 0211-5144930) [url]http://www.pegasus-duesseldorf.de[/url]. open from monday till friday from 10h00 till 15h00, monday et saturday from 19h00. entrance is 120€.

[b] partytreff hagen [/b]bergstrasse 123 58095 hagen (tel. 02331-182624; 0171-646-8997) [url]http://www.partytreff.women-at-web.de[/url]. open monday and tuesday, thursday till saturday from 17h00. entrance is 120€ monday, 89€ other days, 25€ for couples and free for girls.

[b] party-treff unlimited [/b]schmiedestr. 11 45359 gelsenkirchen (tel. 0209-4095600) [url]http://www.happynight.de/fkk-party-gelsenkirchen/[/url]. open from monday till friday from 10h00 till 15h00 and from 16h00 till 24h00. entrance is 105€.

[b] hobbyhuren-party [/b]hernerstrasse 41 44651 herne (tel. 02325-586181) [url]http://www.hobbyhuren-party.de[/url]. open from 15h00 till 20h00. entrance is 150€, 25€ for couples and girls.

[b] swing2you [/b]heinrich-hertz-str. 24 a 40699 erkrath (tel. 0211-5203374, 0163-4739756) [url]http://www.swing2you.com/[/url]. open from monday till friday from 10h00 till 16h00 and from 16h00 till 24h00, saturday from 17h00 till 1h00, sunday from 16h00 till 22h00. entrance is 100€ daytime, 110€ nighttimes (30€ for couple and free for girls). it’s a swing club.

[b] partytreff mettmann [/b]industriestr. 14 40822 mettmann (tel. 02104-170128 or 0173-9411273) [url]http://www.partytreff-mettmann.de[/url]. open from monday till friday from 10h00 till 16h00 and from 17h00 till 24h00, saturday from 10h00 till 1h00, sunday from 16h00 till 22h00. entrance is 130€.

[b] partytreff münster[/b] warendorfer str. 215 48145 münster (tel. 0251-9730839). open from monday till friday from 10h00 till 1h00. the club has swimmingpool, solarium and jacuzzi.

[b] tina und ralf (partytreff solingen) [/b]zum strandbad 32 45549 sprockhövel/haßlinghausen (tel. 02339-138450, mobile 0171-1040586) [url]http://www.partytreff-sprockhoevel.de[/url]. open from monday till friday from 10h00 till 15h00, monday till friday and sunday from 17h00 till 24h00, saturday open all day long. entrance is 110. there is sauna and buffet.

[b] partytreff-velbert[/b] harkortstr. 3 42551 velbert. entrance is 88€. club has swimmingpool and sauna.

[b] partytreff westerwald [/b]kapellenweg 1 57629 merkelbach bei hachenburg(tel. 02662-944780) [url]http://www.partytreff-westerwald.de[/url]. open from monday till friday from 11h00 till 17h00, monday till saturday from 17h00 till 1h00, saturday and sunday from 14h00 till 1h00. entrance is 125€.

[b] fkk-party-club-thueringen [/b]marktplatz 8 98704 gräfinau-angstedt (tel. 03678-550799, 0162-4557508) [url]http://www.fkk-thueringen.de/[/url]. entrance is 50€, first session is 50€, the next are 40€.

[b] mit fick zentrale [/b]uerdingerstr. 64 47799 krefeld (tel. 02151-602299). open from monday till friday from 10h00 till 15h00, and from monday till sunday from 16h00 till 24h00. entrance is 130€, sunday 120€. le club has sauna and buffet.

[b] x treff am [/b]schulzehnten 7 63546 hammersbach (langen-bergheim) [url]http://www.xtreff.com/start.htm[/url]. open monday, tuesday thursday and saturday from 10h00 till 13h00, from 14h till 18h00 and from 19h00 till 24h00. pricing is 90€ in the morning, 99€ afternoon and 150€ the evening

[b] [u]12 red carpet clubs[/b][/u]

these are the budget fkk. they are called like this as they have nearly all red carpets. they are all owned by the same boss named the blind. except the one in dietzenbach, they are all in nordrhein westfalen. action is straightforward, no interaction with the girls outside the room, no couch action. all girls wait naked sitting in sofas. customers can relax in sofas too, drink and eat or watch the girls. but as soon as you approach anyone, she will very soon invite you to proceed to the room. they have may be not the quality of the bigger ones, but still nowhere on earth you will find a better deal for such quality level. [url]http://www.fkk-200nackedeis.de/[/url]

[b] fkk-club dietzenbach [/b]voltastr. 4 63128 dietzenbach (tel. 06074-47360) [url]www.fkk-40.de[/url]. open daily from 10h00 till 24h00, entrance is 40€ without drinks. pricing is 30€/30min.

[b] fkk-club freudenbergstr. [/b]39 freudenbergstr. 39 44809 bochum-hamme (tel. 0234-9580115) [url]http://www.freude39.de[/url]. open from monday till saturday from 10h00 till 24h00. entrance is 30€, pricing is 25€/20min. club has sauna. this is a very popular place, there are up to 30 girls, even during daytime.

[b] fkk-club arabella [/b]lohrheidestr. 63 44866 bochum-wattenscheid (tel. 02327-33394, 02327-322627) [url]http://www.fkk-arabella.de/[/url]. open daily from 10h00 till 24h00, entrance is 35€ and pricing is25€/20min with 25€ extra for bare back blow job. club has sauna, solarium, jacuzzi, outdoor garden. there are no more than 10 girls.

[b] fkk-club heavensgate [/b]swebenring 36 46286 dorsten (tel. 02369-206182; 02369-206099) [url]http://www.fkk-heavensgate.de[/url]. open from sunday au thursday from 10h00 till 1h00 le friday et saturday from 11h00-2h00. entrance is 35€, happy hour from 10h00 till 13h00 25€ and from 20h00 till 23h00 30€. pricing is 25€/20min, 50€/40min et 75€/60min. facilities are surprising good for a budget club, and there are more than 30 girls with some real stunners. there is no better deal.

[b] fkk-club aplerbeck [/b]aplerbecker bahnhofstr. 5 44287 dortmund/aplerbeck (tel. 0231-4461113, 0231-4461111) [url]http://www.fkk-aplerbeck.de[/url]. open daily from 10h00 till 24h00, entrance is 35€ and pricing is 25€ for session. this club has a clear discrimination policy at entrance.

[b] club belami [/b]kressenweg 6 44379 dortmund/dorstfeld (tel. 0231/6185478) [url]http://www.fkk-belamie.de/index2.html[/url]. open from 12h00 till 24h00, entrance is 35€, and 25€ from 18h00. pricing is 25€ for session.

[b] fkk-club penelope [/b]hundebrinkstr. 8 45326 essen (tel. 0201-313514; 0201-325187) [url]http://www.fkk-penelope.de[/url]. open from sunday au thursday from 10h00 till 24h00, friday and saturday from 10h00 till 4h00. entrance is 30€ and pricing is 25€ for each session. club has sauna and swimming pool.

[b] fkk-club grimbergstr [/b]grimbergstr. 12 45889 gelsenkirchen (tel. 0209-878891, 0209-879089) [url]http://www.fkk-grimberg.de[/url]. open daily from 10h00 till 24h00 and entrance is free. pricing is 55€ for first session, 85€ pour two and 99€ for 3 sessions. between 10h00 and 12h00 and between 21h00 and 24h00, first session is 45€.

[b] fkk-club iserlohn [/b]dröscheder-berg 4 58638 iserlohn (tel. 02374-973691) [url]www.fkk-iserlohn.de[/url]. open daily from 10h00 till 24h00, entrance is 30€ and pricing is 25€ each session.

[b] fkk-club la rose [/b]raiffeisenstr. 1 58638 iserlohn (tel. 02371/157192) [url]http://www.fkk-la-rose.de[/url]. open from monday till saturday from 12h00 till 24h00, entrance is 35€ and sessions start at 25€.

[b] club la-luna [/b]kautzstr. 9 47441 moers (tel. 02841-144395). open daily from 10h00 till 23h00 for fkk and nightclub from 23h00 till 5h00. entrance is 25€ and pricing is 30€ for each session.

[b] fkk-club venus [/b]wormser strasse 31 67346 speyer (tel. 06232-980092). open daily from 11h00 till 24h00, entrance is 30€ and pricing is 60€ for each session.

Can I get any low budget FKK/Club in mannheim area. I am gonna stay here for a month or so. Further I came from India (Asia).

Would any body of you can tell me something about Mannheim Area.

Mannheim:

Either drive to Frankfurt area, there you find Palace, Oase, World, Atlantik.

Or go south to Karlsruhe: Flamingo Island.

Close to Mannheim (in Bürstadt) there's a smaller Club: Night & Day.

Or go to Stuttgart: FKK-Haus or FKK-Sakura.

Hessen Bub

Would somebody tell me about the FKK clubs in Munich please?

[QUOTE=Popp Master]Would somebody tell me about the FKK clubs in Munich please?[/QUOTE]Forget all clubs in Munich!

Lover,
I assume you haven't been to FKK Colosseum in Augsburg. Just spent 6 hrs there and would definitely recommend.
C1

Hello,

Why not open a category in the FKK Germany section devoted to Public Transportation to the clubs? There is a considerable amount of interest on this topic. And so. Why not simply categorize the easiest way to get ot clubs via Pubic. Whoops Public Trans.

OK. Some will argue. Clubs will be over run. Etc.

I sincerely doubt it.

The Great Kaleu (sp? ) was a great innovator of public trans. I was fortuante enough to have several personal tours with him. Albeit some years ago. And he tought me the ropes of German Public Trans. " ahem where there is a will, there is a way. " Kaleu proved that to me, years ago, . And train, tran, taxi links have improved since then.

Why spend 150. 00 or more, from FRA when you can get there for a fraction of that cost?

Where art thee. O Great Kaleu? Help us out. !

Will be in Frankfurt area. May 6- 10. Ask for Strato, as in Stratocaster.

Strato

I would like to gather a list of Fkk clubs (partytreff included if possible) that accepts credit card.

so far I know is YingYang in Holland and World in Frankfurt. Anybody knows somewhere else?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]I would like to gather a list of Fkk clubs (partytreff included if possible) that accepts credit card.

so far I know is YingYang in Holland and World in Frankfurt. Anybody knows somewhere else?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Do they accept credit cards for the entrance, for the girls and/or both?

[QUOTE=Breadman]Do they accept credit cards for the entrance, for the girls and/or both?[/QUOTE]

sorry not mention clear previously. Here I merely mean entrance

but YinYang club can exchange cash with you for your expense on girls when you pay the credit card.

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]sorry not mention clear previously. Here I merely mean entrance

but YinYang club can exchange cash with you for your expense on girls when you pay the credit card.[/QUOTE]

They do the same at Samya although only until midnight. I presume they charge a commission for this but I'm not too sure how much it is.

[QUOTE=Breadman]Do they accept credit cards for the entrance, for the girls and/or both?[/QUOTE]

I have often observed at Oase guests using credit cards. Basically what happens is the house runs your card for so many hundreds Euro, and then hands you over the cash. But in doing so they charge to the same card an outrageous commission, so they are acting like a money lender. You pay a great premium. In this day and age of endless GeldAutomaten (ATMs), one might say, rather undiplomatically: Only real idiots would use a credit card at an FKK...it simply is not intelligent. For example, there is probably a Geldautomaten in the ARAL petrol station you drive past on your way to Oase, right?

Hope this helps...

Ortos

[QUOTE=Ortos]...For example, there is probably a Geldautomaten in the ARAL petrol station you drive past on your way to Oase, right?
Ortos[/QUOTE]
And if not there, there is probably one at the Sparkasse to your left immediatly after you take the second left turn from the Aral station.

Another thing: The great Routard FAQ that is here is getting pushed pack by the general discussion (including my post here :-). Perhaps we should preserve this thread for the FAQ and not use it as general posting thread and instead use the General discussion thread for that.

Chivaz

Opening discussions/suggestions on credit card is due to the reason of business purpuse. How can business man get the receipts if they pay by cash? lol
I guess lots of clubs (at least YY) will not let their names show on the receipts when the customer pay by credit card.
The commision that YY charges is 5%, normal not numerous.

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]Opening discussions/suggestions on credit card is due to the reason of business purpuse. How can business man get the receipts if they pay by cash? lol
I guess lots of clubs (at least YY) will not let their names show on the receipts when the customer pay by credit card.
The commision that YY charges is 5%, normal not numerous.[/QUOTE]
Oase charges 10%. I'm one of Ortos' idiots- left my cash supply in the car in the parking lot and didn't feel like getting dressed to run out in the cold to the car. For example: if you want 100 euro, Oase charges your card 120 Euro, takes 12 Euro commission and hands you 108 Euro back.

so the first list is as the following

YY, commision 5%
Ose, commision 10%
World
Samya

.....

[QUOTE=Lover II]Forget all clubs in Munich![/QUOTE]Why? Colosseum is not bad.

[QUOTE=Crazy Travel]Why? Colosseum is not bad.[/QUOTE]
.. distance of Muenchen but its not in Muenchen.

In Muenchen directly there is an FKK club at Pasing which is accessible by public transport. I've never been though.

I'm not so experienced in FKK, maybe for that I try to avoid DATY and DFK with the pros. I'm asking you: but don't you fear any kind of sickness as epathite, mononucleosis, or something worst? Anyone has ever get nothing like that having no care in such a contact? I'm only a noob and I'd better to jump between legs, instead of has such a fear?

[QUOTE=Putantour]I'm not so experienced in FKK, maybe for that I try to avoid DATY and DFK with the pros. I'm asking you: but don't you fear any kind of sickness as epathite, mononucleosis, or something worst? Anyone has ever get nothing like that having no care in such a contact? I'm only a noob and I'd better to jump between legs, instead of has such a fear?[/QUOTE]

A large majority, if not all, of the girls have very good hygene as they realise that men talk between each other and use forums such as this. I did read of a case where someone caught a disease in one of the clubs although I can't remember, which club or whether it was on this forum or not. He named the girl however the post was removed by the Admin pretty much stratigh away.

You might want to have a look at the following post, which details a disease that I caught while in a club - [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=433671&postcount=177[/url]

[QUOTE=Routard]FKK, an acronym for the term "Freikörperkultur"...
[B][U]5 OASE[/B][/U]

[B] FKK-Oase Burgholzhausen [/B]Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109 61352 OBERERLENBACH (Tel. 06007-7930551, 06007-930643) [url]http://www.fkk-oase.de[/url]. To avoid any other confusion, this is the exact GPS location: N50 14.454 E8 40.659.[/QUOTE]

Routard,

I for one being a newbie, really appreciate all the "hard" work that you have done with research and for sharing the facts and your opinion about the clubs. I must tell you though that I am fairly certain that the GPS Lat/ Long that you have listed is wrong. Perhaps a typo. I understand that there are many ways of depicting Lat & Long and that every GPS does it a little differently. However tried entering this Lat/ Long into my Tom Tom in many different formats and each time it had me going somewhere not anywhere near Burgholzhausen or Ober- Erlenbach. Since I am staying in a hotel and do not have access to a printer (could not print your non-GPS directions), I went to World instead of chancing getting befuddled in the German countryside looking for Oase. World was a great time.

I have read a couple of people's posts where they suggest a thread dedicated soley to club locations with GPS coordinates and driving directions. I think that this is a great idea if someone would take what Routard started one step further. I also think that it would be great if the clubs would be grouped by region for those of us who don't know Germany's geography as well as others. Rather than redesign the layout of the threads by region, perhaps this proposed thread on driving directions could group the clubs by region. Just thinking aloud here.

Again, Routard- thank you!

[QUOTE=Ky Daddy]I understand that there are many ways of depicting Lat & Long and that every GPS does it a little differently.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's QUITE that bad... I'm not an expert, but I believe there are basically two common ways to tell latitude and longitude, either in degrees, minutes and seconds, or in decimal values (I sometimes see a third method, something with degrees and minutes.M, but I don't understand what that is all about).

The values Routard have given are in degrees, minutes and seconds.

[QUOTE=Ky Daddy]However tried entering this Lat/ Long into my Tom Tom in many different formats and each time it had me going somewhere not anywhere near Burgholzhausen or Ober- Erlenbach.[/QUOTE]It could be that your GPS prefers decimal values... converting Routards numbers to decimal gives the following: 50.242032 lat, 8.675749 long.

Try those and see if it works. If that is the case you can convert all lat/long-numbers to decimal easily here, for instance: [url]http://www.directionsmag.com/latlong.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Ky Daddy]
I have read a couple of people's posts where they suggest a thread dedicated soley to club locations with GPS coordinates and driving directions.[/QUOTE]
There is such a thread in another forum (where Routard is a moderator), where it is possible to upload files for other members to download (which is not possible on this one).

In addition, as you have TomTom, you just have to download the zip file for Germany, unzip it, copy the .ov2 file (file format of TomTom) to the map folder on your TomTom Navigator, and all the FKKs will show up as POIs (about 130 presently). No need to enter fastidious GPS coordinates one by one. You can also open a .kml file to view lots of clubs from Spain to Russia on GoogleEarth (about 650 clubs presently).

No sure I'm allowed to mention address of forum here, PM me if you're interested.

Jim

[QUOTE=GandJim]There is such a thread in another forum (where Routard is a moderator), where it is possible to upload files for other members to download (which is not possible on this one).

In addition, as you have TomTom, you just have to download the zip file for Germany, unzip it, copy the .ov2 file (file format of TomTom) to the map folder on your TomTom Navigator, and all the FKKs will show up as POIs (about 130 presently). No need to enter fastidious GPS coordinates one by one. You can also open a .kml file to view lots of clubs from Spain to Russia on GoogleEarth (about 650 clubs presently).

No sure I'm allowed to mention address of forum here, PM me if you're interested.

Jim[/QUOTE]Jim,

It seems that my membership expired, so I could not PM you! I just renewed it, but I am not sure how long the the renewal process takes. Unfortunately, I leave for Germany on Tuesday morning. So if you don't mind, go ahead and post it and let Jackson make the call. I am sure that he won't mind- of course I could be wrong, but we will find out if you try!

Hi Ky Daddy,

Have received your PM and sent the info back by PM too. So I'm not gonna test Jackson this time. ;)

Will be pleased to hear feedback from you after your trip.

Jim

[QUOTE=Ortos]I have often observed at Oase guests using credit cards. Basically what happens is the house runs your card for so many hundreds Euro, and then hands you over the cash. But in doing so they charge to the same card an outrageous commission, so they are acting like a money lender. You pay a great premium. In this day and age of endless GeldAutomaten (ATMs), one might say, rather undiplomatically: Only real idiots would use a credit card at an FKK...it simply is not intelligent. For example, there is probably a Geldautomaten in the ARAL petrol station you drive past on your way to Oase, right?

Hope this helps...

Ortos[/QUOTE]

sorry to bring this up again, I need to invite a customer to relax himself at either Ose or World where these two clubs accept credit cards. When the card is charged, what the company name will show up later on the online banking who issues the bill? Thanks

Can't answer XY's question, but to revert to Ortos's comment, there is a Bankautomat at the Sparkasse in Ober-Erlenbach, which is the village before Oase on my way by car from the motorway. They know me well. No one ever seen me running down the road in a towel?

The German Bankautomaten usually accept credit cards too, but charge a commission for cash withdrawals (4 percent?). If you use your credit card at the club, it seems they take 10 percent. It's a no-brainer.

[QUOTE=Toscana]Can't answer XY's question, but to revert to Ortos's comment, there is a Bankautomat at the Sparkasse in Ober-Erlenbach, which is the village before Oase on my way by car from the motorway. They know me well. No one ever seen me running down the road in a towel?

The German Bankautomaten usually accept credit cards too, but charge a commission for cash withdrawals (4 percent?). If you use your credit card at the club, it seems they take 10 percent. It's a no-brainer.[/QUOTE]

my credit card has no pin code, can't withdraw money from distributor unfortunately, however thanks a lot for replying

World has an ATM in the club. No credit fees or ATM fees. Your bank statement will say "Polheim ... " (e.g. NOT "German brothel")

[quote=xavier yves]my credit card has no pin code, can't withdraw money from distributor unfortunately, however thanks a lot for replying[/quote]

get a "debit card" from your bank. then you can withdraw money from any of the many geldautomaten (atms) rep001tered around the streets of germany and pay no commission per se, but just a "bank fee" for withdrawal... this too is a no brainer.

as for name on the credit card bill if you use it at the club: i am quite sure it will not say the name of the club or fkk anything...at palace, they have some name that sounds like a female proper name followed by the deutsche equivalent to enterprises...probably all club, including bhh, follow the same practise...covering their tracks is a common concern of the regular local german guest too...

ortos

At Palace you can't pay with credit card. The ATM will give you 200 EUR for a 10 EUR fee.

Hessen Bub

(hope it's the right thread.)

Hi folks,

Two of my USA Friends plan a trip to germany.

They want to visit a club like the gt, lr or the new nanu!

And that’s the problem.

They asked me if I would advise a hepatitis immunization?

But my experiences are limited to exclusive private clubs like the tp or tamaras team in düsseldorf only!

The girls of these private clubs told me that they are all vaccinated.

Both USA Boys want to try fk, BBBJ and even cim in a club like gt.

What about the girls in these sauna clubs?

Are they vaccinated?

What do you think?

Best wishes

[QUOTE=Obi 10](hope it's the right thread.)

Hi folks,

Two of my USA Friends plan a trip to germany.

They want to visit a club like the gt, lr or the new nanu!

And that’s the problem.

They asked me if I would advise a hepatitis immunization?

But my experiences are limited to exclusive private clubs like the tp or tamaras team in düsseldorf only!

The girls of these private clubs told me that they are all vaccinated.

Both USA Boys want to try fk, BBBJ and even cim in a club like gt.

What about the girls in these sauna clubs?

Are they vaccinated?

What do you think?

Best wishes[/QUOTE]
It would be a good idea to get a hepatitis vaccination. Sure, why not.

[QUOTE=Obi 10](hope it's the right thread.)

Hi folks,

Two of my USA Friends plan a trip to germany.

They want to visit a club like the gt, lr or the new nanu! [/QUOTE]
...to forget about Nanu. Many, much better offerings in the area. I'll post about my recent visit in a couple of days.
Njoy.

Atjackyo + Iseeu

Hi pals,

Thank you for the feedback!

OK, let’s drop the Nanu from the list.

Maybe I drive with the boys to the Amnesia club in Castrop Rauxel (what a funny name for a city! ).

It’s not so far away from the town where I live.

When worse comes to worse we’re going to navigate to the Palace in Frankfurt to hit the mark!

Fondest regards

[QUOTE=Obi 10]Atjackyo + Iseeu

Hi pals,

Thank you for the feedback!

OK, let’s drop the Nanu from the list.

Maybe I drive with the boys to the Amnesia club in Castrop Rauxel (what a funny name for a city! ).

It’s not so far away from the town where I live.

When worse comes to worse we’re going to navigate to the Palace in Frankfurt to hit the mark!

Fondest regards[/QUOTE]
No need to go all the way to Palace or try Amnesia. read the psots here and you'll find many other options.

I've looked in the FAQ and haven't seen anything about this. Can women come to an FKK? I have an adventureous girlfriend who would probably be open to coming to an FKK with me and then taking part in a 3some, or just to see what a place like this is like.

Is this verboten? Or just not practiced? Has anyone any insight?

[QUOTE=Dan Danger]I've looked in the FAQ and haven't seen anything about this. Can women come to an FKK? I have an adventureous girlfriend who would probably be open to coming to an FKK with me and then taking part in a 3some, or just to see what a place like this is like.
Is this verboten? Or just not practiced? Has anyone any insight?[/QUOTE]
Simply not practiced commonly.
Not "verboten"

There are reports on girlfriends visiting. See the Bernd's thread.

The issue is that the club and the girls will not stand for any competiton from a visitor which is understandable. Your girl friend will be expected to pay as any guest for room time. This might be waived on the discretion and in discussion with the club on entry and the individual girls before each session if you pay for your session and the girl is allowed to play with the girlfriend.

I would suggest that you also re-post your question in the FKK World thread with a Title of "Question for Cornelia/Shiatsu - re Girl friend."

Cornelia will have a pretty good idea of how this might be handled at World and probably has seen some instances of it. No better source of information, I imagine, on the board escept for a boyfriend who has taken his girlfriend or vice versa :-)) to a FKK.

Let us know what repsonses you get on this interesting topic. Thanks.

Call the club and ask. It should be no problem bringing your girlfriend, but she will not be allowed any interaction with other men. Threesome with another girl - no problem.

Hessen Bub

Dear Routard,

I did not see Living Room on your FAQ club list. Is that true that if I go to GT first, same day entrance fee at LR is free? Is it close or on the way betwwen GT and Duesselforf? What is the address for LR?

Please advise. Thanks.

all4bb

[url]www.fkk-livingroom.de[/url]
August-Thyssen-Strasse 4
41564 Kaarst / NRW (Nordrhein-Westfalen)

What I do know is: If you go to LR first and then leave for GT, you will get 30 EUR off the regular 50 EUR entrance fee.

Hessen Bub

Dan Danger. Your question of 10.8.07 - girlfriends occasionally visit World with their partners usually spending all the time with their partners. They never have any problems (to my knowledge). A woman once came by herself (and went to a room with a girl....). Excess is right - no problem as long as the visitor does not try to pick up any customers

In a lot of clubs it is not done to take your wife/girlfriend into a saunaclub/FKK. A lot of times it is also forbidden.

Please go to a swingerparty.

[QUOTE=Routard]
[B][U]5 OASE[/B][/U]

[B] FKK-Oase Burgholzhausen [/B]Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109 61352 OBERERLENBACH (Tel. 06007-7930551, 06007-930643) [url]http://www.fkk-oase.de[/url].[/QUOTE]
Routard, Thanks for your good work. I'm making my first voyage from Montreal to Germany within the next five weeks.

I question what you post here, however. The Oase website lists the address as Ober-Erlenbacher-Str. 109, 63181 Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen.

When I Google Map the address as Obererlenbach, I'm taken somewhat south of the village. Googling the address with Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen as the municipality, I land a kilometer or two north of town. I see a parking lot with a clay tennis court just beyond.

Both the directions you give and the presence of the tennis court suggest to me that the city you list needs to be changed. Please confirm.

This is Oase:

[url]http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=Ober-Erlenbacher+Stra%C3%9Fe,+Ober-Erlenbach+61352+Bad+Homburg+vor+der+H%C3%B6he,+Hochtaunuskreis,+Hessen,+Deutschland&sll=50.16936,8.67712&sspn=0.204951,0.464172&ie=UTF8&ll=50.240947,8.677289&spn=0.003198,0.007253&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr&om=1[/url]

It's on the street between Ober-Erlenbach and Burgholzhausen, the place is called Nadelmühle.

[url]http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&q=Ober-Erlenbacher+Stra%C3%9Fe,+Ober-Erlenbach+61352+Bad+Homburg+vor+der+H%C3%B6he,+Hochtaunuskreis,+Hessen,+Deutschland&sll=50.16936,8.67712&sspn=0.204951,0.464172&ie=UTF8&ll=50.246656,8.682117&spn=0.025578,0.058022&z=14&iwloc=addr&om=1[/url]

Hessen Bub

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]This is Oase:
It's on the street between Ober-Erlenbach and Burgholzhausen, the place is called Nadelmühle.

Hessen Bub[/QUOTE]Correct. If you enter the municipality as either Burgholzhausen, where it appears to be, or Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, the address the Oase website gives, Nadelmuehe is where Google Maps takes you. (My guess is that Burgholzhausen is a village in the greater incorporated area of Friedrichsdorf.)

Thanks for identifying it as Nadelmuehe. I now have little doubt that I'll be able to find it.

If you enter it, as Routard has it, Ober-Erlenbach, you wind up several KM south.

[QUOTE=Regnad]Correct. If you enter the municipality as either Burgholzhausen, where it appears to be, or Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, the address the Oase website gives, Nadelmuehe is where Google Maps takes you. (My guess is that Burgholzhausen is a village in the greater incorporated area of Friedrichsdorf.)

Thanks for identifying it as Nadelmuehe. I now have little doubt that I'll be able to find it.

If you enter it, as Routard has it, Ober-Erlenbach, you wind up several KM south.[/QUOTE]

"little doubt" ... I am sorry my English is not perfect, so I am not sure if you mean you have no doubts or really doubt you will find it, but anyway:

Ober-Erlenbach is approx. 1,5 km (or 1 mile) south of Oase (or Nadelmühle). There is only ONE road between Ober-Erlenbach and Oase. If you are in Ober-Erlenbach, just look for the road sign to Burgholzhausen and follow that road (the road sign can be difficult to spot, so even though you are excited, drive sloooowly). It is 3 km to Burgholzhausen from Ober-Erlenbach, and Oase is close to halfway between these two villages. There are huge signs by the left of the road saying FKK Oase/Saunaclub Oase, with a parking lot next to it in the middle of farmland. Not difficult to identify at all, so have no worries.

Before GPS the main problem for newbies coming by car usually was to find Ober-Erlenbach, but it's actually quite easy if you follow these simple guidelines (20- 25 mnts by car if you nail it):
- Take A5 from Frankfurt going north to Kassel/Giessen/Bad Homburg
- Leave A5 at Bad Homburger Kreuz and follow the signs to Bad Homburg Stadtmitte.
- Approaching Bad Homburg Stadtmitte you will be beginning to see the signs for Ober-Erlenbach. Follow those signs. This is a roller coaster ride with lots of turns and changing of roads, but just follow those signs.
- In Ober-Erlenbach, just look for the sign to Burgholzhausen and follow that road for 1,5 km. Your adrenalin should then really start to kick in (for some very good reasons).
- Park the car and storm the gates ...

... and have some serious fun! :-)

[QUOTE=Shark16]"little doubt" ... I am sorry my English is not perfect, so I am not sure if you mean you have no doubts or really doubt you will find it, but anyway:[/QUOTE]

He said that he thinks it will be easy for him to find. "Ich habe keine/kaum Bedenken ..."

Hessen Bub

[QUOTE=Dan Danger]I've looked in the FAQ and haven't seen anything about this. Can women come to an FKK? I have an adventureous girlfriend who would probably be open to coming to an FKK with me and then taking part in a 3some, or just to see what a place like this is like.

Is this verboten? Or just not practiced? Has anyone any insight?[/QUOTE]

Why do you not take your "adventureous girlfriend" (something I am still in search for) to a regular Swing Club. There are plenty and you do not even have to pay.

Yes, it is not Tom but Cheap Charly writing here.....

[QUOTE=Dan Danger]Can women come to an FKK? I have an adventureous girlfriend who would probably be open to coming to an FKK with me and then taking part in a 3some, or just to see what a place like this is like.[/QUOTE]

Should be no problem at Oase, Palace, World. To be sure, call the club and ask. Just one thing: She'll not be allowed to go with other men, but a threesome MWW should be no issue. She'll have to pay the normal entrance fee that men also pay.

Hessen Bub

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Should be no problem at Oase, Palace, World. To be sure, call the club and ask. Just one thing: She'll not be allowed to go with other men, but a threesome MWW should be no issue. She'll have to pay the normal entrance fee that men also pay.[/QUOTE]I've seen this happen a couple of times in Golden Time in Brüggen, so I'm quite positive it's possible in the big 3 of Frankfurt, too. With the conditions Hessen Bub correctly pointed out.

I read in the fkk faq : As a rule, multi cums are not allowed within half hour session.

I thought pricing was based on time , so if one decided to go for 1/2 hr. or 1 hr. it didn't matter , can someone please clarify.

I was planning on visiting Samya, PHG, Bernds.

Thanks much!

[QUOTE=J Lite]I read in the fkk faq : As a rule, multi cums are not allowed within half hour session.[/QUOTE]

That's it. Come once per 30 Min. So if you book 60 minutes, you can come twice. But talk to the girl first, maybe you can come twice in 30 minutes. I wouldn't think so and never tried.

The clubs in Switzerland do allow you to come more than once in 30 minutes. The girls do not really like this rule.

Hessen Bub

Hello,

I had escort before but am new to the FKK thing. Can someone explain how this work? It seems like its more of a public club where you can shop around?

I'm going to visit Frankfurt, maybe Palace or Oase. How should I plan on spending in 1 trip?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Ltkev]Hello,

I had escort before but am new to the FKK thing. Can someone explain how this work? It seems like its more of a public club where you can shop around?

I'm going to visit Frankfurt, maybe Palace or Oase. How should I plan on spending in 1 trip?

Thanks[/QUOTE]


Read the oldest pages in the Reports of Distinction section. It contains everything you need to know.

Hi, can anybody help me with some info regarding FKK club in Munich. This will be my first time there and I have no clue where to go. I red there are some FKK clubs, need some reccomendation on which one is the best one to go, or the closest one to the city. Any comments are appreciated. Thanks

[QUOTE=Bra Bus]Hi, can anybody help me with some info regarding FKK club in Munich. This will be my first time there and I have no clue where to go. I red there are some FKK clubs, need some reccomendation on which one is the best one to go, or the closest one to the city. Any comments are appreciated. Thanks[/QUOTE]Forget Munich and go for the City of Augsburg, 30 min. by car.

Nearly for 3 years, at least once a week, I visit the FKK Club Colosseum in the the City of Augsburg.

The Club is very well managed and the Ladies are charming.

[url]http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/[/url]

I live in Munich, but I never go for Ladies in Munich. You do not get the same performence like in Augsburg, believe me this is fact.

These Colosseum Ladies like to have sex with you, try to make you happy in order to make sure you come back to them again.

Don`t waste money in Munich, best Regards,

Muenchen.

PS: Whenever my US-Friends are coming to Bavaria, they love to have a very good time at Colosseum and this boys are always hot.

Best Regards,

Muenchen.

Augsburg is easy by train too.

as an informed member of healthcare matters (without giving my identity), i thought i'd give the following health tips with regard to mongering. i've seen here and there where people ask about various stds and the like.

i'm not sure which forum to post this, so i thought i'd place it in the fkk faq.

with condom use, anal or vaginal sex gives you the small risk of hsv-2 (genital herpes) and the large risk of hpv (certain strains cause warts). both hsv and hpv can be transmitted skin to skin, however hpv is as contagious as a common cold, even with condom use. herpes seems to typically occur with people who do not use condoms, however theoretically it can still be transmitted via skin to skin contact. the good news is that even if you acquire hsv or hpv, it's not a big deal. it's more of an emotional issue.

a way to decrease the risk of acquiring hsv-1 (oral herpes, i. e. cold sores) or hsv-2 (genital herpes): while there are no studies to support this, taking valtrex 500 mg daily (typical dose for herpes suppression for those with known herpes recurrent infections) while mongering and thereafter can only help in possibly preventing infection or at the very least, greatly decrease the possibility of noticeable symptoms. how many days thereafter?. hard to say (again, no studies to support). my guess is between 5-14 days. i say 14 days because that's the typical period of time between exposure and development of symptoms. downside is valtrex costs $200+ for 30 pills if you don't have an insurance plan.

a way to decrease susceptibility to hpv (some strains cause warts, others can cause cervical cancer in women): gardasil vaccine. 3 shots taken at 0, 2, and 6 months. if you're a veteran monger, then this vaccine is useless since you've already been exposed to every known hpv virus known to man. it only works if you've never been exposed. so this vaccine is ideal for the teenage son of a mongering father who is being introduced to our hobby. lol. again there are no published studies to support use of the vaccine for males, but i predict that in the future, it may be recommended for males. it's currently recommended for women aged 12-26. sadly our provider counterparts are likely not getting this vaccine before they start their profession. downside to gardasil is the roughly $200 per injection cost.

if you find yourself with a wart, see a doctor. if you know what you're doing, warts are simple to treat. simply apply a dr. scholl's wart freezer kit applicator to a small wart, and it will likely disappear in a day (if applied when it first pops up when it is very small). whether you apply acid, freeze, burn, cut a wart, apply medication, they all do the same thing. they stimulate the immune system to clear the wart. the good news is that with hpv (see cdc. gov), 90% of infections clear within 2 yrs.

bbbj: likely safe, however if the provider has a major sore throat, then you should avoid. it is possible to have a gonorrhea throat infection, and so that can certainly be passed through a bbbj. however i'm not going to lose sleep over a bbbj.

vaccines you should have: hepatitis b. hep c is the nastiest, but it's not sexually transmitted. however hep b is very popular, especially throughout the developing world. hep b is sexually transmitted. it can infect people for years if not decades before someone finally has severe liver damage. simply go to a doc, make sure your liver function test is normal, and have a hepatitis panel (a, b, c) completed. if you've never had hep b vaccine, get that vaccine (3 shots). all children in the us these days are vaccinated, however this was not the case during the 1970s and much of the 1980s. all healthcare workers are vaccinated as well (in case of needlestick).

tests you should routinely get, at least once per yr:

rpr (antibody test for syphilis. easy disease to treat, but devastating if left alone for years)

ppd for tuberculosis. tuberculosis is increasing throughout the world, especially the developing world. if you are positive with a ppd, then likely you will need to take a 6 month course of isoniazid (no drinking during this time. fun, fun).

hiv. definitely a must if you ever have sex without a condom in a non-monogamous relationship. realize that it takes about 6 weeks from time of exposure to when the antibody test will be positive.

giardia (gives diarrhea) is not really an std (i only mention since it was discussed before). yes it can be transmitted via fecal matter through sex, however it's no more of an std than is the common cold or flu.

i highly recommend to never go bareback in sex unless you know the person's hiv status. otherwise you are rolling the dice with your life. realize that aids is the greatest silent epidemic known to man. it has surpassed bubonic plague in terms of total deaths.

and of course, using condoms prevent chlamydia and gonorrhea, both of which can make you have burning [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. if not treated quickly with antibiotics, further complications and damage can occur (such as painful epididymitis).

lastly, studies in west africa have shown that men who are circumcised had approx a 50% reduction in acquiring hiv in comparison with non-circumcised men. non-circumcision hawks for years have claimed that it is useless and traumatic for babies, however the recent data of decreased hiv transmission gives a lot of weight towards recommending circumcision.

just my 2 cents.

[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=Briedward]AsI highly recommend to never go bareback in sex unless you know the person's HIV status. [/QUOTE]

How would you do this? A nevative Test today only tells you that he/she was negative 6 or 12 weeks ago. She could have caught the virus 2 weeks ago!

Don't be to hysterical about deseases at FKKs. If you worry too much, just don't go there! You might get a flu because sometimes it is a little cold in those places ... ;-)

HB

Briedward,

Excellent post, many salient points especially seeing my immune system is already rogered from a cancer bout years ago.

Thanks buddy

[QUOTE=Briedward]"Lastly, studies in West Africa have shown that men who are circumcised had approx a 50% reduction in acquiring HIV in comparison with non-circumcised men. Non-circumcision hawks for years have claimed that it is useless and traumatic for babies, however the recent data of decreased HIV transmission gives a lot of weight towards recommending circumcision."[/quote]There are some reputable studies that show that circumcisions decrease the liklihood of people getting AIDS. But also there are some reputable studies that show that circumcisions increase the liklihood of males getting AIDS and there are many reputable studies that show that circumcisions neither increase or decrease the liklihood of males getting AIDS. So with those studies that show that circumcisions decrease the liklihood of males getting AIDS I don't those studies have any credibility because of all the studies that show otherwise.

In Germany the vast majority of males are not circumcised, but the AIDS rate in Germany is many times lower than the AIDS rate in the U.S. where the vast majority of males are circumcised. So with the claim that circumcisions decrease the number of people who get AIDS that claim does not stand up to the way that things actually are.

It is controversial if male circumcisions help protect against AIDS or not. Also it is highly controversial if male circumcisions decrease the sexual pleasure capacity of males or not. At least in my opinion though if a male gets circumcised that will not give him any protection against AIDS and that might decrease his sexual pleasure capacity.

Briedward:
Great post with a lot of useful info.

Hessen Bub:
I think that [i]you[/i] are the one who needs to lighten up. Briedward was not at all "hysterical about deseases at FKKs", but just gave the facts as he knows them. You can follow his advice or ignore it.

euro

I was told last week in conversations I had with RF dudes that in Bayern there have been laws in place for the past couple of months banning BBBJs for health reasons.

There are undercover authorities making the rounds of the clubs fining women who offer it.

This is Bayern for you. Maybe someone can confirm this?

That [i]Weisswurst[/i], by the way, is awesome for breakfast.

[QUOTE=Briedward]
Lastly, studies in West Africa have shown that men who are circumcised had approx a 50% reduction in acquiring HIV in comparison with non-circumcised men. Non-circumcision hawks for years have claimed that it is useless and traumatic for babies, however the recent data of decreased HIV transmission gives a lot of weight towards recommending circumcision.

[/QUOTE]

One confounding variable in these studies is the surprisingly common african practice of "dry sex". This is vaginal sex after a woman douches with preparations to reduce natural lubrication - literally to dry it out. The practice produces increased chance of breaks/ bleeding leading to transmission. Uncircumcised men are almost exclusively the group involved because circumcision makes the practice unpleasant/painful for the man. HIV transmission rates may be higher for uncircumcised men in the study area simply because circumcised men avoid the practice since they find it unpleasant.

Circumcision alters sexual behavior by changing the mechanics of what is more pleasurable. Altered sexual behavior alters STD transmission rates. Another example of this is the BJ. Circumcised men generally have a stronger preference for BJ's. Some STD's have lower transmission rates for oral over vaginal sex. Over millions of instances this kind of thing produces real statistical differences.

The point is that a correlation between circumcision and STD transmission rates in the real world doesn't necessarily mean that it provides any direct "protection" against infection. Even a very real effect can be produced by a very indirect route.

I am preparing for a trip to NRW and Hamburg later this month ( haven't been to D since '02 ).

I am fluent in German but not in tune with current "fach-sprache".

Can somebody pls clarify whether "tabulos" is code for BBFS?

Thanks

[QUOTE=LustyHombre]I am preparing for a trip to NRW and Hamburg later this month ( haven't been to D since '02 ).

I am fluent in German but not in tune with current "fach-sprache".

Can somebody pls clarify whether "tabulos" is code for BBFS?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
[i]Tabulos[/i] simply means without taboos similar to uninhibited or [i]Hemmungslos[/i].

[i]AO[/i] or [i]Alles Ohne[/i] would mean BBFS.

Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?

[QUOTE=Busterbrown 73]Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?[/QUOTE]
1. Generally, yes. Hygiene is in my experience good. I wish the same could be said about all the male guests. By way of example, if I mention that 69 is what I'm looking for, many will go and freshen up once more before the session.
2. Fear not. Use what German you have of course, but these girls see thousands of foreigners with the same problem as you. Don't kid yourself though. They may find you pleasant, and that is good for the coming session of course, but the only attractiveness you can offer them is a nice big open wallet. You will likely be spoken to in a very friendly fashion.
3. Yes, I plead guilty. Yes, just don't leave, like me. If you do leave (it's damn hard), intending to return, you MUST tell reception, and at most clubs you will be given a pass, or your bracelet will be put aside for later with your name (clubs have different methods) or whatever. Then you will not be charged twice.
4. Yes, it can happen, especially at Palace in Ffm, but there are sharks everywhere. But you don't have to be totally naive. Play it cool. If I go to a new club, I tell the girls I am likely to move to the area very soon. It disciplines them sometimes a little bit (future business prospect?). We all make mistakes, regularly, it's part of the game, but we all get spell-binding sessions too, which is why people travel half way round the world to visit these places, don't you guys? :-)

Busterbrown, my serious, friendly advice to you would be to stop asking questions, stop worrying, and jump into the water.

[QUOTE=Busterbrown 73]Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?[/QUOTE]
.... this is my take on your questions.

1) Most women do clean up. [i]Most[/i]. If you are in doubt, watch her come back from a session and see if she makes it to the women's showers and time her. If she comes back from a session and walks right out on the floor, then you know what you are dealing with.

2) At the large tourist-oriented Frankfurt clubs, you will get by. If you are in the remote corners of NRW [b]and[/b] want full participation in everything going on around you, German is indispensible. By full participation I mean being able to participate in the verbal interactions with the staff, the girls and other customers. Some guys don't care for 100% participation. You may be one of them. If you mostly want to interact with the girls, pick a language from the following list to master: Romanian, Bulgarian, Polish, Russian, Turkish and yes, German.

3) Yes, I do camp out at a club for a full day. As to whether you have reentry priviliges, this depends on the club. Do ask before you leave the club.

4) If you don't want to be processed, avoid the transactional clubs and stick with the clubs where the women are attuned to having to cultivate "relationships", d.h. they want customers who return, not those in transit.

[QUOTE=Busterbrown 73]Only 12 days to my visit to Frankfurt...and I can't believe how excited I am. I've read hours and hours of this board to help brief me on some expectations. There are severals questions that I still have not found answers to.

1. Between sessions, do the working girls (like the men) consistantly shower and refresh themselves? I've had enough "SLoppy seconds" in the states to last a lifetime.

2. At most of the big clubs (like Oase and WOrld), does knowing how to speak German or the native language of the girl your with help with the intimacy of the session? (Or does it make you more attractive to them?) My Deutsch is limited to mostly common and formally social greetings.

3. Is it pretty common to see patrons camping out at one club for an entire day (or even an entire weekend?) Can you overlap your afternoon visit into the night hours on one house fee? And are you charged again at the door even if you leave to find better nutritional sources only to return a couple of hours later?

4. Finally, I'm hearing so much about "regulars" which has given me an impression that new comers may be given a run for their money. Do the girls have a tendency to "rush", flip, or lower service standards with clients coming in to the club for the first time? And if so, should I keep that info to myself?[/QUOTE]


I agree with Toscana and Jackyo but want to add 2 cents to the language issue. I don't speak German except for a handful of words. I am sure I have missed out on much intimate conversation but..... the whole idea is to have a good time. I make up for the lack of language skill with MUCH pantomime and laughter. Also remember that for many girls German is their 2nd language also. In the bigger clubs it is EASY to find girls that speak English passably. If they try --- make sure to compliment them on it -- HINT HINT

Lastly, don't worry about getting ripped off. Know the basic ground rules, use your common sense and have a good time. You become an experienced punter by --- you guessed it - punting. My one rule is NEVER GET ANGRY. If you have to deal with a shark, do so politely as best you can and then forget it. Anger ruins the mood for the rest of the night and other potentially GREAT girls will avoid you.

Rock n' roll brother.....

ok, before everyone bashes me. i have read the various treads, and seem to be more confused by the minute.

please let me set the scene:

will be spending the week in rennes, france. but i want to take a day or two to go and break my fkk cherry. asuming that i will go to germany, but i would like to station myself at a marriott hotel and hit a couple of different clubs (all in the surrounding area)

questions:

1) are there flight out of rennes to the major german cities? this would speed my travel time as the train in to paris take about 4 hours alone. otherwise its the train to the plane in paris (which is a wasteland).

2) what major city do i go to? i would like to hit at least one of the major fkk's but the seem to be all spread out across the country side according to the web sites and a little work on google maps.

is there on major city that i can hit two major ffk's?

i have looked at the palace, world, goldentime etc, etc but unfortunately i don't have the time to hit the all.

i have to squeeze this all into a day or maybe two. appreciate any halp thrown my way

best regards,

normus johnson

[quote=normus johnson]1) are there flight out of rennes to the major german cities? this would speed my travel time as the train in to paris take about 4 hours alone. otherwise its the train to the plane in paris (which is a wasteland)[/quote]

air france is flying to frankfurt and düsseldorf. maybe other airlines too. just use [url]www.google.com[/url] , it's not to hard to find flights.

[quote=normus johnson]2) what major city do i go to? i would like to hit at least one of the major fkk's but the seem to be all spread out across the country side according to the web sites and a little work on google maps.

is there on major city that i can hit two major ffk's? [/quote]


either fly to frankfurt to hit oase, palace, world or fly to düsseldorf to hit goldentime, happy garden, living room, villa vertigo. it's your choice.

hb

HB,

Thank you for the quick clarification. Exactly the kind of answer that I needed.

Looking forward to breaking my cherry - and will be able to report back in a month.

Best Regards,

Normus Johnson

Hello to everybody,

I am going to visit one of Franfurt's FKK clubs and I want to ask which day is the best to go, in order to find many girls but not very crowded like Saturday.

And are there any mature girls there and of what age?

Thanks

Are there any FKK near Munich? I will be picking up my car and wanted to be informed before arriving.

[QUOTE=Shadownite]Are there any FKK near Munich? I will be picking up my car and wanted to be informed before arriving.[/QUOTE]

Nothing much in Munich itself. Your best option is the Collosseum in Augsburg, a good hour by car away from Munich. (this club has its own thread here ...)

[QUOTE=Wobasor]I am going to visit one of Franfurt's FKK clubs and I want to ask which day is the best to go, in order to find many girls but not very crowded like Saturday.[/QUOTE]
Any of the big three (Oase, Palace, FKKW) will have at least 20-30 girls around. As for the crowdedness: this depends a lot on other factors, too, like the Messe, the weather, if Eintracht has a home game, if the club has a party, and so on. Just go and enjoy. If you arrive early enough on any given day, you will find that it is not crowded at all. And you can almost always find a lot of girls willing to do the deed, even when it appears crowded.

[QUOTE=Wobasor]And are there any mature girls there and of what age?[/QUOTE]
As a rule: no! You may find one here or there, but it's hit or miss. If you are into the "mature" scene, you may do better in the RLD.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub] fly to Düsseldorf to hit GoldenTime, Happy Garden, Living Room, Villa Vertigo. It's your choice.

HB[/QUOTE]Thanks to Hessen Bub, we are sarting to figure thinks out on the schedule.

Will be arriving by train at 1:30 on Sat March 1st, Checking into the Marriott by the train station and would like to hit one club on Saturday and another on Sunday Afternoon. PHG on Saturday ( as their Sunday afternoon hours suck) and GT on Sunday.

I may do the rental cal with GPS, beacuse I do want the flexablity and I don't trust my directions. I have never used GPS before ( except in the states )

Does any body know the GPS locations, or am I OK with punching in the addy from their web pages?

Or do I simply get a taxi and forget all the GPS chrap and pay however much money it is?

Look me up, I'm the 6'2", 125 kilos ( ok Fat ), and a NY Giant Fan - I'll be the one who is still painted blue.

Thank you for your assitance

Normus Johsnon

Using a Garmin GPS, I've made it to PHG and Goldentime (among other FKKs) by using just the addresses. Haven't tried going to the other clubs you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Normus Johnson]Thanks to Hessen Bub, we are sarting to figure thinks out on the schedule.

Will be arriving by train at 1:30 on Sat March 1st, Checking into the Marriott by the train station and would like to hit one club on Saturday and another on Sunday Afternoon. PHG on Saturday ( as their Sunday afternoon hours suck) and GT on Sunday.

I may do the rental cal with GPS, beacuse I do want the flexablity and I don't trust my directions. I have never used GPS before ( except in the states )

Does any body know the GPS locations, or am I OK with punching in the addy from their web pages?

Or do I simply get a taxi and forget all the GPS chrap and pay however much money it is?

Look me up, I'm the 6'2", 125 kilos ( ok Fat ), and a NY Giant Fan - I'll be the one who is still painted blue.

Thank you for your assitance

Normus Johsnon[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Normus Johnson]Does any body know the GPS locations, or am I OK with punching in the addy from their web pages?[/QUOTE]Punching in the actual address should be fine. Just in case here yuo are the coordinates:

PHG: N51.33426 E6.39875
GT: N51.26351 E6.18704

[QUOTE=Normus Johnson]Thanks to Hessen Bub, we are sarting to figure thinks out on the schedule.

Will be arriving by train at 1:30 on Sat March 1st, Checking into the Marriott by the train station and would like to hit one club on Saturday and another on Sunday Afternoon. PHG on Saturday ( as their Sunday afternoon hours suck) and GT on Sunday.

I may do the rental cal with GPS, beacuse I do want the flexablity and I don't trust my directions. I have never used GPS before ( except in the states )

Does any body know the GPS locations, or am I OK with punching in the addy from their web pages?

Or do I simply get a taxi and forget all the GPS chrap and pay however much money it is?

Look me up, I'm the 6'2", 125 kilos ( ok Fat ), and a NY Giant Fan - I'll be the one who is still painted blue.

Thank you for your assitance

Normus Johsnon[/QUOTE]You isn't in the area 2-3 March? I will be there that days.

Blue

[QUOTE=Gattonero]Punching in the actual address should be fine. Just in case here yuo are the coordinates:

PHG: N51.33426 E6.39875
GT: N51.26351 E6.18704[/QUOTE]Using a Garmin GPS, I've made it to PHG and Goldentime (among other FKKs) by using just the addresses. Haven't tried going to the other clubs you mentioned.

Also Boomer10

Thanks for the vote of confidence

Normus Johnson

Hi,

I'm planning my first FKK trip in Frankfurt next month. Visit Osase, Place (and maybe World).

I plan to stay around main station area.

1. Can I get to these clubs with public transportation? Or, I really need a car?

2. How easy to find cab or using public transportation at 2-3 am?

Any other recommendations?

JC

[QUOTE=Statecho]Hi,

I'm planning my first FKK trip in Frankfurt next month. Visit Osase, Place (and maybe World).

I plan to stay around main station area.

1. Can I get to these clubs with public transportation? Or, I really need a car?

2. How easy to find cab or using public transportation at 2-3 am?

Any other recommendations?

JC[/QUOTE]
It has been mentioned many times on this forum. scroll down. anyway
Palace is easy by public transportation.
For Oase you have to go to Bad Homburg or Friedrichsdorf by train and taxi from there is just 8-10 euro.

[quote=normus johnson]ok, before everyone bashes me. i have read the various treads, and seem to be more confused by the minute.

please let me set the scene:

will be spending the week in rennes, france. but i want to take a day or two to go and break my fkk cherry. asuming that i will go to germany, but i would like to station myself at a marriott hotel and hit a couple of different clubs (all in the surrounding area)

questions:

1) are there flight out of rennes to the major german cities? this would speed my travel time as the train in to paris take about 4 hours alone. otherwise its the train to the plane in paris (which is a wasteland).[/quote]
everything goes through paris in france. i can't imagine there is much demand from flights from rennes to frankfurt, for example.

[quote=normus johnson] 2) what major city do i go to? i would like to hit at least one of the major fkk's but the seem to be all spread out across the country side according to the web sites and a little work on google maps.

is there on major city that i can hit two major ffk's? [/quote]
i am not a fan of the frankfurt clubs but you would be best served landing in frankfurt. from there you can visit palace, world and oase.

[QUOTE=Shadownite]Are there any FKK near Munich? I will be picking up my car and wanted to be informed before arriving.[/QUOTE]
Sorry. Muenchen is a place to enjoy the cultural scene (Bierkultur, as they say).

Has anyone been to ColA lately? There were news reports of police raids, etc..

I am glad to see you coming back to Forum. We have been missing your comments for a long time.

[QUOTE=Creature2]I am glad to see you coming back to Forum. We have been missing your comments for a long time.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Creature2!

There is so much to read though when you go away. I'm just opening one thread at a time until hoping to get caught up sometime in the future.

[QUOTE=Briedward]Lastly, studies in West Africa have shown that men who are circumcised had approx a 50% reduction in acquiring HIV in comparison with non-circumcised men. Non-circumcision hawks for years have claimed that it is useless and traumatic for babies, however the recent data of decreased HIV transmission gives a lot of weight towards recommending circumcision.[/QUOTE]
Note that those African studies are very likely to be selecting Muslims into the "circumcised" group and non-Muslims into the "uncircumcised" group. No cultural or religious controls were implemented, and the sexual behavior of the two groups are very different.

More recent study among blacks/hispanics in the US ([url]http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/hiv_circumcision_gay_2131_13621.shtml[/url]) show no difference in HIV rates.

This remains an artificially heated issue as there seems to be a large "pro-circumcision" lobby that, for reasons unclear to me, is determined to perpetuate this useless custom. I was circumcised as an infant and not a day goes by that I don't wonder what possessed my mother to insist upon it and my uncircumcised father to permit it.

[QUOTE=Euro100]Any of the big three (Oase, Palace, FKKW) will have at least 20-30 girls around. As for the crowdedness: this depends a lot on other factors, too, like the Messe, the weather, if Eintracht has a home game, if the club has a party, and so on. .[/QUOTE]What is a Messe?

[QUOTE=Dollars]What is a Messe?[/QUOTE]


A convention or trade show. Think CES or Apple World.

Guys is there anyone out there asked a FKK girl to stay overnight at your hotel? I've done it myself about 5 years ago at the Atlantis in Frankfurt, the girl came to my hotel and charged EUR 200 for staying for 2hours. I ended up paying extra for taxi though.

I would love to know how common it is, and the reasonable charge for asking
this, if it is not too uncommon. Or is it officially not allowed?

A bit curious about the scene.

Thanks

I had one occasion when a girl asked me to join me on a one day business trip in Germany with one night stay in Berlin. She asked for 500 € for a 24 hours job. But I didn´t take the offer as she was not the kind of girl I would like to sit in a nice restaurant and eat and chat.

She was just for shagging, which is fine in the FKK but I didn´t like it outside.

Hunter

[QUOTE=Jackpot1234]Guys is there anyone out there asked a FKK girl to stay overnight at your hotel? I've done it myself about 5 years ago at the Atlantis in Frankfurt, the girl came to my hotel and charged EUR 200 for staying for 2hours. I ended up paying extra for taxi though.

I would love to know how common it is, and the reasonable charge for asking
this, if it is not too uncommon. Or is it officially not allowed?

A bit curious about the scene.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jackpot1234]Guys is there anyone out there asked a FKK girl to stay overnight at your hotel? [/QUOTE]

Yes. But these were girls I know for a long time and quite good and there was no money involved.

Just try, prices may vary. And be carfeful if you take the girl directly from the club (never did that) as that may cause problems for the girls (e.g. at Artemis).

HB

first off I am glad I am circumsized.....it looks finished and a hell of a lot better than the uncircumsized penises I see in showers at FKK's.

thn to the overnight thing. I don't know why people woud want working girl hanging around them after the sex, but I do knw that villa vertigo also has an escort section on their website. I also now that if you are a well nown custoer at some clubs and you know the managent and you are planning a weekend vacation or somhting the can find soe girls who would be up for that. I know quite a few girls who would do a week for about 1500€ plus travel costs.

[QUOTE=Hunter105] She asked for 500 € for a 24 hours job. But I didn´t take the offer as she was not the kind of girl I would like to sit in a nice restaurant and eat and chat.

She was just for shagging, which is fine in the FKK but I didn´t like it outside.

Hunter[/QUOTE]Frankly speaking, I am tempted for 500 € for a 24 hours offer.

I can just go for a casual restaurant with her to 'eat & drink a lot' when we're not in the bed. Bottles and bottles of wine in the hotel room might be good as well. Well, I guess it is a matter of taste however, and yes I have a dirty taste.

Someone quoted a girl sets her daily target at 500 € for around 14 hours of work and some day she gets 750 € for a day of work.

I strikes me '500 € for a night at least or even possibly 24 hours' is the way to go for the negociation. Certainly I've got to be careful to make sure it would not cause any problem for the girl, club and myself!

[QUOTE=Jackpot1234]Guys is there anyone out there asked a FKK girl to stay overnight at your hotel? I've done it myself about 5 years ago at the Atlantis in Frankfurt, the girl came to my hotel and charged EUR 200 for staying for 2hours. I ended up paying extra for taxi though.

I would love to know how common it is, and the reasonable charge for asking
this, if it is not too uncommon. Or is it officially not allowed?

A bit curious about the scene.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
.. of such arrangements as they don't get a cut of the fees.

If anything, its done on the side.

But why bother when you can stay at the club where it is safe, it is cheaper and you can have a huge selection of women to choose from?

[QUOTE=Peter]first off I am glad I am circumsized.....it looks finished and a hell of a lot better than the uncircumsized penises I see in showers at FKK's.[/QUOTE]I resent it that I'm circumcised. Many males are glad to be circumcised, but also many males would rather not be circumcised. I resent being circumcised because I believe circumcisions decrease sexual pleasure. A year and a half ago a group of doctors in California conducted a large scale study where they tested the sensitivity of all the male parts, according to their study circumcisions cut off the most sensitive parts and circumcised males are significantly less sensitive. Over 10 years ago Dr. John Taylor from Canada studied the nerve endings on males. He reported That nerve endings that give feelings of pleasure are most highly concentrated in the inner foreskin closest to the outer foreskin, circumcisions cut off those areas and so circumcised males have much less pleasure. So especially at FKK clubs where many of the girls are loose, I think it is a big advantage to be uncircumcised and have as much sexual sensitivity as possible.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]But why bother when you can stay at the club where it is safe, it is cheaper and you can have a huge selection of women to choose from?[/QUOTE]

Because this is a more complete package of GFE, less sense of 'buying a shag'. Well it's purely a matter of taste, think I have a weird fantasy in this topic..... as everyone has to a certain degree in various subjects.

I know those things can concern some people so I will make it happen in a sensible way. This is why I wanted to see the reaction from the folks here, I appreciate some comments here to gave me the basis = 500 EUR for 24h as one aim.

Sh*t, I can't wait.

Visiting Franfurt this Sat. Would like to know best place to visit for service/price, Oase, Palace, or something in RDL. had experience in Hamburg & stuttgart both wonderful. pls provide straight scoop ASAP.

[QUOTE=Jackpot1234]Because this is a more complete package of GFE, less sense of 'buying a shag'. Well it's purely a matter of taste, think I have a weird fantasy in this topic..... as everyone has to a certain degree in various subjects.

I know those things can concern some people so I will make it happen in a sensible way. This is why I wanted to see the reaction from the folks here, I appreciate some comments here to gave me the basis = 500 EUR for 24h as one aim.

Sh*t, I can't wait.[/QUOTE]
... but have indulged elsewhere.

I have to admit that it has certain things going for it particularly if I get along well with the chick.

One thing I like about it is making out with her fully dressed and slowly "unpacking" the goods, so to speak. The more she has on her, the more there is to take off.

It is sometimes kind of like those scenes in the movies where they show a trail of clothing leading from the front door to the bed and then show the couple in bed.

An an FKK club she is already totally nude. At a Saunaclub, all she has on is a bikini.

It doesn't leave much to the imagination.

I only have a GFE when she is actually a chick who I can imagine wanting to spend time with in real life: that is to say, she must actually have a personality and have things to say. I don't find dumb women very interesting.

[QUOTE=Tropical Joe]I resent it that I'm circumcised. Many males are glad to be circumcised, but also many males would rather not be circumcised. I resent being circumcised because I believe circumcisions decrease sexual pleasure. A year and a half ago a group of doctors in California conducted a large scale study where they tested the sensitivity of all the male parts, according to their study circumcisions cut off the most sensitive parts and circumcised males are significantly less sensitive. Over 10 years ago Dr. John Taylor from Canada studied the nerve endings on males. He reported That nerve endings that give feelings of pleasure are most highly concentrated in the inner foreskin closest to the outer foreskin, circumcisions cut off those areas and so circumcised males have much less pleasure. So especially at FKK clubs where many of the girls are loose, I think it is a big advantage to be uncircumcised and have as much sexual sensitivity as possible.[/QUOTE]


But don't forget, the more your member is sensitive, the more you have a risk to have a premature ejaculation. I am uncircumcised and I sometimes utilise desensitiser to cure and prolongue my first session, my first load. And I always wonder whether the circumcised ones are better or not in controling their climax? Maybe the control has nothing to do physical, just psyschological, just a though, I donno.

[QUOTE=Creature2]But don't forget, the more your member is sensitive, the more you have a risk to have a premature ejaculation. I am uncircumcised and I sometimes utilise desensitiser to cure and prolongue my first session, my first load. And I always wonder whether the circumcised ones are better or not in controling their climax? Maybe the control has nothing to do physical, just psyschological, just a though, I donno.[/QUOTE]

I'm circumcised and have poor control -- the little head just *loves* pussy. My best chance is to do my best to get the pussy "ready" up front: the looser and wetter, the better my chances of lasting. Do viagra or cialis help?

OBG

[QUOTE=Oldbeijingguy]I'm circumcised and have poor control -- the little head just *loves* pussy. My best chance is to do my best to get the pussy "ready" up front: the looser and wetter, the better my chances of lasting. Do viagra or cialis help?

OBG[/QUOTE]OBG,

From what I have read (so this is not coming just from me) and from my own experiences when i experimented with viagra it made it harder to come. I am not sure why, maybe because your dick is so blood engorged that the tubes are that much more taut so liquids find it harder to ejaculate. As such I could pump away for much much longer before the final strokes come upon you and you know that there is no turning back.

Hope this post helps. If you find a realiable source of cialis or viagra let me know.

Only place I know that sells viagra over the counter in a proper licensed dispensing chemist is Spain. You just go in and say you have medical issues with your erections and they say what prescription size e.g. 25mg, 50mg or 100 mg and then you how many boxes of 6 or 8 or 12. Then you hand over your euros. The price is reasonable but I know there are internet sites that sell kamagra or cialis for a lot lot less than the real viagra.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Circumsized or uncircumsized, my biggest worry is having Johann Holmes next to me in the shower whilst my normally miniscule little carrot shrinks even more. As my belly gets bigger, my shvantz gets smaller! At least the girls will love me, they will hardly know I'm doing it ;)

[QUOTE=Oldbeijingguy]I'm circumcised and have poor control -- the little head just *loves* pussy. My best chance is to do my best to get the pussy "ready" up front: the looser and wetter, the better my chances of lasting. Do viagra or cialis help?

OBG[/QUOTE]


Untill today, I did utilised generic Viagra such as Kamagra, Vera and some other which active ingredient is Sildenafil Citrate and I can safely say those works a bit to prolongue orgasm, but not too much. In my last trip, I did utilised an original Cialis, that is an amazing and effective medicine, but I didn't felt it was useful to prolongue my climax.

But I have a better cure for that, the pussies itself :))))
The more pussy I have during the day, the more I can prolongue and control my climax. For that, I plan a mixture of partytreff and FKK visits in my trips; first day I go to a club with flatrate; with "all you can fuck" theme, I don't how fast or how often I cum, I empty the balls, then, the next days, I visit the FKK clubs with half empty and doesn't feel any urge to early cum, and in the rooms I utilise those 30 minutes untill the last seconds.

Or you may use a delay spray but as you don't feel your member any more, this is not appropriate for sensing the womens inner parts. You may utilised a thicker condom as well for better control of cum.

But if you want a prescription to not cum early, there is a new product/medicine which is recently approuved by FDA, dapoxetine. You may search it via online drug stores. It is not cheap, 170 US dollars a pack. I personnaly didn't tested it, but I will. They says there are several side effects, such as weight gain, I have lots of weight already because of beer consumption, I don't care.

Creature hit the nail on the head (just fuck more pussy) and Frank has a great sense of humor... I love this board. London, no, I don't have a source, was thinking about trying online (shipping from overseas presents little risk I think).

OBG

[QUOTE=Oldbeijingguy]London, no, I don't have a source, was thinking about trying online (shipping from overseas presents little risk I think).

OBG[/QUOTE]Let me know how you do with the oneline kamagra, viagra, cialis purchase and whether they do the trick.

Yes I can see the logic in just doing more pussy as the factor that deadens the ability to come quickly. LOL.

Kind regards,

Londonbasketase

You asked: "Does Viagra make it harder to come?"

From my experience, too much sex makes it harder to come.

I went through an evolution in using these services.

The first stage was: "I'll never get used to condoms." I was used to barebacking girlfriends and I didn't like the reduced sensitivity. I had a hard time coming, as a result.

The second stage was "I can deal with the reduced sensitivity. In fact, its a good thing because otherwise, I'd come too easily."

The third stage (and the one I am in now) is: "I've spent so much time inside so many women, unless there is something unusual about her, I'm just not going to give it up that easily."

Blame it on discovering Partytreffs three years ago, poking away at so many women in the course of a PT visit and coming to the decision that I can't come at each encounter; in fact, sometimes I need to fake it.

If she doesn't touch my buttons (and I mean this at a mental level), I hold back and don't come.

Its like going fishing, pulling in a small fish and throwing it back. Catch and release, if you will.

Three years ago I hooked up with someone locally. We were making out on her couch when she said she needed to excuse herself. She runs into the bathroom, comes out and we retire to her bedroom. I reach down between her legs and she has something I'd never seen before: a female condom.

It was one of those sessions I will remember all of my life. I spent an evening with her and I needed no special preparation, nothing. I could slip inside her whenever I felt like it.

According to her, she liked female condoms because the thing has lips which would extended out and rub her clit whenever I poked at her. She came very easily, as a result.

She was a tall chick, liked it from behind but not in doggy style but with her lying on her stomach. I placed a pillow under her and would enter from behind. She liked it this way because as my balls swayed, they would stimulate her clit.

I had never thought of it until then but doggy style does offer more stimulation to women then any other position. What could be more natural than to have your balls swing and once in a while rub her clit?

I am hardly a stud but I was so extremely comfortable poking at her like this, I got into a groove. I poked and poked and poked. She would turn around every now and then ask if I had had enough. "Of course not", I'd say. She got this worried look in her eyes. "You don't want to stop?" "No, not really. I'm enjoying this." Then she came and then came again and then yet again.

She got really distressed when she realized this was going to happen over and over again until I stopped.

I lost count of how many times she came. She had to bite down on a pillow just so she wouldn't make too much noise and alarm the neighbors. It was quite cute.

I'd like to repeat this experience but I have yet to find a) another woman who is as multi-orgasmic (they exist but are far in between), b) a supply of female condoms (where can one find these things? I think the burden of putting them on should be shifted to the women.)

[QUOTE=Jackyo]You asked: "Does Viagra make it harder to come?"

From my experience, too much sex makes it harder to come.[/QUOTE]

I agree that more and more sex makes it harder to come as the tap becomes empty. Maintenance of an erection if where viagra comes in handy so to speak.

Thanks Jackyo for the personal experiences on the three stages of your mongering / puntering career. It is insightful and in some ways I can identify with those tiers that you describe. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]I'd like to repeat this experience but I have yet to find a) another woman who is as multi-orgasmic (they exist but are far in between), b) a supply of female condoms (where can one find these things? I think the burden of putting them on should be shifted to the women.) [/QUOTE]Just keep looking out for those criteria in a woman Jackyo. One day you will find that person again.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Good one Jackyo.

I concur with what you've said.

I used to think that only brunettes could be multiorgasmic but I have met one blond lately so my theory is dead.

Unfortunately I could only find ones that are workers. There is one girl at work with this slutty look and I'm sure she's one. Hopefully I can verify that even auburn women can be mutliorgasmic

As for the sensivity issue I hear you on that, but I have noticed that adaptation goes both ways, and you can regain sensivity by switching to less efficient sex sessions (masturbating. Etc.).

I have also noticed that saving yourself is not always a good thing, because if you have stopped any sexual activity for too long then you'll be very sensitive, you'll come fast but you'll be exhausted quicker. There seems to be a paradox in which you are more active if you feel less. Hence maintain some kind of activity but stopping a little bit before the action. Mine seems to be three days. Ain't that simple.

P.S. I'd be really interested to know about Viagra experiences. Anyone? LOL

Just a small question before the first visit ever (couldn't find the answer in the FAQ below):
Could you please tell me how do I get around with payment? In particular, do I need to pay every single girl before going with her, and how payment records are kept?
I wouldn't prefer using credit card even if accepted. Are the EC-cards accepted ("Maestro"), or is it better to always have some cash?

Many thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Every Walker]Just a small question before the first visit ever (couldn't find the answer in the FAQ below):
Could you please tell me how do I get around with payment? In particular, do I need to pay every single girl before going with her, and how payment records are kept?
I wouldn't prefer using credit card even if accepted. Are the EC-cards accepted ("Maestro"), or is it better to always have some cash?

Many thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

hi,
You pay each girl right after you finish deed with her, not before. Yes some clubs take CC but there is some extra service charge. You have to check with club you are going to visit.

[QUOTE=SX Lover]hi,
You pay each girl right after you finish deed with her, not before. Yes some clubs take CC but there is some extra service charge. You have to check with club you are going to visit.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, SX Lover. So, I assume after each and every time I need to go to the lockers and fetch some cash to pay for the session. Is that correct?
I'm planning to visit Samya in Köln either this or next weekend. Haven't seen any indication of the procedure on their web page, though.
I'm sure they will tell me once I'm on the spot. But it's so much better to know it beforehand.

[QUOTE=Every Walker]Just a small question before the first visit ever (couldn't find the answer in the FAQ below):
Could you please tell me how do I get around with payment? In particular, do I need to pay every single girl before going with her, and how payment records are kept?
I wouldn't prefer using credit card even if accepted. Are the EC-cards accepted ("Maestro"), or is it better to always have some cash?

Many thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
Mostly you pay each chick separately after each session.

This is the rule at Samya, z. B. No, you will not find anything about this on their website.

However, at Bernds, you pay at the end just before you leave.

It used to be the rule at Cocoon but they've changed it to you settling your bill after each session.

The problem with paying just before you leave is that you leave yourself open to billing surprises. That having been said, I've never had a billing surprise at Bernds.

I have had minor billing surprises at Cocoon which revolved around whether I went with the BBBJ or CBJ alternatives. I'm not into BJs, period.

The Red Carpet clubs used to issue a card you wore on your wrist. The girsl would sign the cards. At the end before you left, they would tally up the number of sessions you did and you would pay.

The only club I can think of which still has this system is Dolce Vita in Duesseldorf.

Always bring cash and pay in cash. Always have Euros.

The RF guys have told me that the girls at the Hessen clubs accept dollars but I've never tried to pay with dollars.

Credit cards require additional fees and they mostly only accept the EC card (which is something which we don't have on this side of the pond).

Jackyo & SX Lover, many thanks for this. It answers all the questions.

I heard Living Room provides free wi fi connection.

Is it true?

Is there any FKks in NW region that has internet access?

This is a good way to kill the time if I go there alone.

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]I heard Living Room provides free wi fi connection.

Is it true?[/QUOTE]

Yes, it´s true.

Sorry, but I don´t know any other club in NRW providing free internet access.

[QUOTE=Novize]Yes, it´s true.

Sorry, but I don´t know any other club in NRW providing free internet access.[/QUOTE] GT and Villa Vertigo have open wifi signal as well

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Always bring cash and pay in cash. Always have Euros.

The RF guys have told me that the girls at the Hessen clubs accept dollars but I've never tried to pay with dollars.

Credit cards require additional fees and they mostly only accept the EC card (which is something which we don't have on this side of the pond).[/QUOTE]
Agree- always try to have enough cash in Euro. Some clubs will not accept credit card and since most aren't near an ATM, you'll have to get dressed, get in your car and find the nearest one, which can be a real mood killer.
On rare occasions when I have underestimated my libido, I have used my US credit card in Oase, but they add on a 10% service charge, so for 100 Euro you get charged 110 Euro.
Back in the days when the dollar was worth something, one of the girls in World actually asked me if I would pay her in $ since she was planning to fly to the US for a vacation.

[QUOTE=Henio]GT and Villa Vertigo have open wifi signal as well[/QUOTE]

sure about this? I never see anybody holds a laptop in GT.

I used my credit card once in an FKK, Babylon, they added 20 percent to my bill.
Personally, I think its a bad idea because it gives away your identity. I like being anonymous when visiting these kinds of establishments. Its better just to use cash. Back in 2001, some clubs took US Dollars, and took it with enthusiasm.

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]sure about this? I never see anybody holds a laptop in GT.[/QUOTE] That is because there is really no convenient place to sit down with a laptop, but the signal is there.

[QUOTE=Henio]Villa Vertigo have open wifi signal as well[/QUOTE]

I have seen a guy spend ages working on his laptop at Villa Vertigo and he even showed me some of the graphics on his machine. Cool guy and since he spoke better German than me managed to get one of the aloof Polish girls that I could not take my eyes off to come and take me to a room.

I am glad I asked him to ask her for me as she was a great session and I went back with her again later that day. The second time I just made eye contact, flicked my head indicating let us go inside (we were on the deck outside) and leave her other pretty and blonde Polish friend to sun herself while we got busy inside.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

Guys, do you think is it safe to leave the notebook in the locker while either sessioning or just hanging around the club or better leave with the staff? I am thinking about taking my note with me to some clubs, unfortunately I generally have some work to do even while traveling.

Regards,
Travelerb69

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I have seen a guy spend ages working on his laptop at Villa Vertigo and he even showed me some of the graphics on his machine. Cool guy and since he spoke better German than me managed to get one of the aloof Polish girls that I could not take my eyes off to come and take me to a room.

I am glad I asked him to ask her for me as she was a great session and I went back with her again later that day. The second time I just made eye contact, flicked my head indicating let us go inside (we were on the deck outside) and leave her other pretty and blonde Polish friend to sun herself while we got busy inside.

Regards

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]sure about this? I never see anybody holds a laptop in GT.[/QUOTE]

I must admit that I have not seen laptops at Goldentime. The place is so busy that there will be little room to set yourself up with the laptop except if you were outside in the garden. You would probably get a curious set of girls wondering why did you come to a fuck club with your work tool. They'll have fun trying to distract you and take you to a room and show you all its corners and its four walls views.

I have seen many guys mainly hanging around in the lobby at Goldentime on their blackberries, PDAs or mobiles typing away.

I leave my blackberry at home when I am away but I may end up taking it as I do need to catch up on work when I am on annual leave still as I do not want to come back to an inbox overflowing with requests of my person.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Travelerb69]Guys, do you think is it safe to leave the notebook in the locker while either sessioning or just hanging around the club or better leave with the staff? I am thinking about taking my note with me to some clubs, unfortunately I generally have some work to do even while traveling.

Regards,
Travelerb69[/QUOTE]

Travelerb69,

The non German guy who I was with at Villa Vertigo left his laptop on the dinner tables area for most of the day. He even went sessioning with ablodne Polish girl the thing turned on and left on the table. There is a lot of trust in the saunaclubs I found. There is not much place to hide something when you are naked underneath a robe or towel. I don't know about you but my arse is sancrosanct. No Papillon hiding place for me.

He was staying at Villa Vertigo with the girls that did not want to sleep on their own at night. Lucky guy.

Regards

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]The second time I just made eye contact, flicked my head indicating let us go inside (we were on the deck outside) and leave her other pretty and blonde Polish friend to sun herself while we got busy inside.[/QUOTE]
When done correctly, its really smooth.

Quick eye contact, a smile and then you cock your head to one side.

In two seconds she is sitting in your lap and you are off to the races.

Smooth, really smooth.. I need more practice.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]When done correctly, its really smooth.

Quick eye contact, a smile and then you cock your head to one side.

In two seconds she is sitting in your lap and you are off to the races.

Smooth, really smooth.. I need more practice.[/QUOTE]

I tried a similar technique at Goldentime on a slim pretty blonde Rusland girl. She was sitting across from me at the window facing the patio area and I was at the bar nursing my cola. She was scanning the room and caught me staring at her for a few seconds. We made eye contact. I looked away for a split second and then cocked my head and mouthed "zimmer", then again it could easily have been "I love you".

She smiled and got off the chair she was sat on and walked off to get a key for a room and I fell into step behind her. The girls around her laughed when they had realised what had made their friend just leave them without a word.

I still do not know what this girl's name was as we did not introduce ourselves.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I tried a similar technique at Goldentime on a slim pretty blonde Rusland girl. She was sitting across from me at the window facing the patio area and I was at the bar nursing my cola. She was scanning the room and caught me staring at her for a few seconds. We made eye contact. I looked away for a split second and then cocked my head and mouthed "zimmer", then again it could easily have been "I love you".
[/QUOTE]

Who's kidding who now? You could have a glass eye, have it pop out on the floor and roll under the couch...have the eye glance in her direction once while rolling...and the girl will come over asking if you'd like to go to a room.

[QUOTE=Breadman]Who's kidding who now? You could have a glass eye, have it pop out on the floor and roll under the couch...have the eye glance in her direction once while rolling...and the girl will come over asking if you'd like to go to a room.[/QUOTE]

Hilarious. But no, I do not have a glass eye.

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I used my credit card once in an FKK, Babylon, they added 20 percent to my bill.
Personally, I think its a bad idea because it gives away your identity. I like being anonymous when visiting these kinds of establishments. Its better just to use cash. Back in 2001, some clubs took US Dollars, and took it with enthusiasm.[/QUOTE]


YY also accepts credit card and only put 5% service charge on it. Seems the lowest

Since I will be going to the German FKKs for the first time later this summer, I'm not familiar with a few things there. For one, how do they keep time in the rooms if standard sessions are only 30 minutes? If I'm intending for a 30 minute session for example, I wouldn't want to go a bit overtime and get charged for 60. Are there clocks in each room?

Hi guys,

I am a bit surprised from a recent experience in Oase: a very cute girl, good chemistry, tells me she "feels I don't want to do it without a condom" and proposes rates for bareback, saying "she never does it with anyone else", but that other girls do it for 150 etc.

I'm not being judgmental here, but I was wondering how frequent this is as I thought girls wouldn't reasonably go for those "extras" (besides openly bareback FKKs, obviously)?

Is it happening often but everyone keeps quite about it?

Thanks

Osa

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit]Since I will be going to the German FKKs for the first time later this summer, I'm not familiar with a few things there. For one, how do they keep time in the rooms if standard sessions are only 30 minutes? If I'm intending for a 30 minute session for example, I wouldn't want to go a bit overtime and get charged for 60. Are there clocks in each room?[/QUOTE]
The only club I can think of that has clocks in their rooms is Cocoon.

Most women don't wear watches, have a mental clock which keeps track of time.

This is where wearing a watch on your wrist and making subtle reference to it when you start comes in.

This has a downside though. You might find yourself with a chick who is not a clockwatcher; someone who would normally allow 45 minutes for a 30 minute session. Being too much of a stickler for time will shorten your session with her.

On the other hand, if you are with a scammer, you will have an argument that you did not exceed your 30 minute allotment.

Your call.

[QUOTE=Osanowo]Hi guys,

I am a bit surprised from a recent experience in Oase: a very cute girl, good chemistry, tells me she "feels I don't want to do it without a condom" and proposes rates for bareback, saying "she never does it with anyone else", but that other girls do it for 150 etc.

I'm not being judgmental here, but I was wondering how frequent this is as I thought girls wouldn't reasonably go for those "extras" (besides openly bareback FKKs, obviously)?

Is it happening often but everyone keeps quite about it?

Thanks

Osa[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is available. You just need to ask around.

For obvious reasons these women want to keep it low key.

I don't look for it, have no interest in it.

Condoms do break though.

never lies (any more than we do)", is what I try to keep in mind.

While not wishing to tarnish what the girl said to you as she may mean it, I also keep the motto in mind - while lapsing myself in some cases admittedly -that what she does/proposes to you, she does with (many) others.

Keep enjoying and hopefully safely.

'Excess'

[QUOTE=Osanowo]Hi guys,

....tells me she "feels I don't want to do it without a condom" and proposes rates for bareback, saying "she never does it with anyone else", but that other girls do it for 150 etc.
Osa[/QUOTE]

This might sound like a silly question, but do I need to bring my own or do the girls / club provide them?

I don't think its been revised for a long while though but it is still there for research purposes:

[url]http://www.kaleus-clubindex.com/[/url]

Kaleu retired after he decided he wanted to pursue his Brazilian obsession. His name had been associated with his FKK club list for so long that the Roemer decided to take it over and change next to nothing.

[QUOTE=Asiafanatic]This might sound like a silly question, but do I need to bring my own or do the girls / club provide them?[/QUOTE]
You don't need to bring your own condoms, the girls provide them.

Gens,

I'm fond of CIF/CIM when I'm in FKK. However, no matter how many times I tell the girls I'd like to have CIF (cum in face) before I come, the girls always suck my dick tightly and just accept CIM (cum in mouth).

I'm wondering if no one actually succeds in making CIF with FKK woking girls? because they dont' want the sperm boil their hair or face that they have to work for the next customer, especially sometimes there is no bathroom in the room?

If you start getting intimate with a girl while inside one of the FKK kinos, does the clock start ticking as with a normal 30 minute session inside a room?

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]I'm wondering if no one actually succeds in making CIF with FKK woking girls? because they dont' want the sperm boil their hair or face that they have to work for the next customer, especially sometimes there is no bathroom in the room?[/QUOTE]

I'm not that much a fan of CIF, I'm more the CIM-kindaguy. But on the German boards you read quite a few reports on CIF, should not be a huge problem to find girls that do it. Just don't shoot into their eyes ... ;-) And yes, spoiling their hair and/or make up is an issue.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit]If you start getting intimate with a girl while inside one of the FKK kinos, does the clock start ticking as with a normal 30 minute session inside a room?[/QUOTE]

To be fair: Yes, I think time does start the moment you get into some "real" action in the kino, like DATY, BBBJ or "heavy petting". ;-) If you just pick her up there, exchaning a few kisses and then going to the room, the 30 min should start when you close the door.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]I'm not that much a fan of CIF, I'm more the CIM-kindaguy. But on the German boards you read quite a few reports on CIF, should not be a huge problem to find girls that do it. Just don't shoot into their eyes ... ;-) And yes, spoiling their hair and/or make up is an issue.


HB[/QUOTE]


well, even when you do CIM, the girls will not allow you to shoot from outside, they will suck the dick and let it shoot from inside the mouth. Then I can't see anything. no fun.......

Do you have this problem?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit]If you start getting intimate with a girl while inside one of the FKK kinos, does the clock start ticking as with a normal 30 minute session inside a room?[/QUOTE]
There are women who are clockwatchers and those who are not.

If you have good chemistry with her, she will bend the rules in your favor.

If she is a scammer, she will try to squeeze as much out of you as she can by bending the rules in her favor.

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]Then I can't see anything. no fun.......

Do you have this problem?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't. As I do not care to see my come on her face/mouth/body, I do know what my sperm looks like. ;-)

I prefer to come IN her mouth and her to suck to the end. Different men, different tastes.

HB

Hi folks,

Is DFK, kissing common with girls in clubs in NRW?

I've been to the big FKKs around Frankfurt several times. It far beats anything on offer in the UK !
One of the major draws for me to the FKK scene is the GFE and for me it's DFK that makes the full GFE.

I'm wondering about spreading the wings and exploring other FKK's aside from Oase/Palace/World, my question is - Is the service the same? Is DFK common, is BBBJ common in the others in NRW etc?

Thanks for any answers.

DT

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]well, even when you do CIM, the girls will not allow you to shoot from outside, they will suck the dick and let it shoot from inside the mouth. Then I can't see anything. no fun.......[/QUOTE]

I prefer to have my dick happily in the lady's mouth when the time comes. Its all about the feeling for me. That said, I think there are women out there who would be only too happy to offer the experience you seek. As I remember, the first time I had a Kino BJ from the tall Thai girl at Oase (she has a name tattoe'd over her left breast), she tried to do the porno style open mouth target CIM thingy with me. I also had a Thai MILF at VV have me paint her face (she directed the brush, shall we say).

I suspect if you point out the open mouth cumshot in the Kino, many of the lovelies would be happy to offer that service. I do think most would want to direct the aim themselves though. Just my experience.

any takers?

[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Hi folks,

Is DFK, kissing common with girls in clubs in NRW?

I've been to the big FKKs around Frankfurt several times. It far beats anything on offer in the UK !
One of the major draws for me to the FKK scene is the GFE and for me it's DFK that makes the full GFE.

I'm wondering about spreading the wings and exploring other FKK's aside from Oase/Palace/World, my question is - Is the service the same? Is DFK common, is BBBJ common in the others in NRW etc?

Thanks for any answers.

DT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Hi folks,

Is DFK, kissing common with girls in clubs in NRW?

I've been to the big FKKs around Frankfurt several times. It far beats anything on offer in the UK !
One of the major draws for me to the FKK scene is the GFE and for me it's DFK that makes the full GFE.

I'm wondering about spreading the wings and exploring other FKK's aside from Oase/Palace/World, my question is - Is the service the same? Is DFK common, is BBBJ common in the others in NRW etc?

Thanks for any answers.

DT[/QUOTE]

Yep, DFK and BBBJ is the norm in the NRW club but you can always ask before going to the room to make sure.

Could someone please give the names of, or links to, some german language forum(s) with reviews of places and girls, etc?

[QUOTE=Collateral2]Could someone please give the names of, or links to, some german language forum(s) with reviews of places and girls, etc?[/QUOTE]

German:
[url]http://www.rheinforum.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.roemerforum.com/[/url]

Dutch:
[url]http://www.ijsberenforum.nl/forum/[/url]

There is also a French forum referenced on this site but I'm not sure of the URL and it wouldn't really matter as I don't speak French :). The Dutch forum has the girls listed in each club with posts against each of their names so it's easier to look for the girl that you are interested in.

[QUOTE=Collateral2]Could someone please give the names of, or links to, some german language forum(s) with reviews of places and girls, etc?[/QUOTE]

Don't forget LSH ( [url]www.lustscout.to/wbboard[/url] ). It has grown a lot and covers Germany from North to South and from escort to appartements, clubs, walking streets and more. Also a smaller international section, escecially Thailand and South America. Have fun.

HB

[QUOTE=Warsteiner]German:
[url]http://www.rheinforum.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.roemerforum.com/[/url]

Dutch:
[url]http://www.ijsberenforum.nl/forum/[/url]

There is also a French forum referenced on this site but I'm not sure of the URL and it wouldn't really matter as I don't speak French :). The Dutch forum has the girls listed in each club with posts against each of their names so it's easier to look for the girl that you are interested in.[/QUOTE]


Just saw today the dutch forum IJ took YinYang FFK section off their forum. What happend?

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]Just saw today the dutch forum IJ took YinYang FFK section off their forum. What happend?[/QUOTE] It is still there, you have to select "Overige Saunaclubs en FKK-clubs" where the clubs who do not advertise on the forum are placed. The once that advertise are on the "first level"

Hello.

Is it true that in a FKK, you get one pop for 50 Euros even if you're finished after 5 minutes?

If this is the case, how much would it cost (at the Palace for example) to tell the girl upfront that you want the full 30 minutes even if it is more than one pop?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Prosewriter8]Is it true that in a FKK, you get one pop for 50 Euros even if you're finished after 5 minutes?[/QUOTE]

In general, yes. In Globe in Zürich (Switzerland) you can come twice in 30 min for the price of 30 min.

[QUOTE=Prosewriter8]If this is the case, how much would it cost (at the Palace for example) to tell the girl upfront that you want the full 30 minutes even if it is more than one pop?[/QUOTE]

Standard tarif would be 100 EUR and you could stay one hour. But just ask, maybe it is negotiable with some girls.

HB

[QUOTE=Prosewriter8]Hello.

Is it true that in a FKK, you get one pop for 50 Euros even if you're finished after 5 minutes?

If this is the case, how much would it cost (at the Palace for example) to tell the girl upfront that you want the full 30 minutes even if it is more than one pop?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

It;s best to check with the girl first but I've had quite a few 1 hour sessions with multiple pops. Really you are renting the room and the 'company' of the girl for 30 mins and paying a fee for it so you should be able to have more than one pop per 30 mins but always worth checking.

[QUOTE=Warsteiner]It;s best to check with the girl first but I've had quite a few 1 hour sessions with multiple pops. Really you are renting the room and the 'company' of the girl for 30 mins and paying a fee for it so you should be able to have more than one pop per 30 mins but always worth checking.[/QUOTE]
Nah, 30 minutes sessions are one pop sessions even if you can get going again. I am pretty sure that almost no FKK girl will give you a second shot in 30 minute session.

[QUOTE=Prosewriter8]Hello.

Is it true that in a FKK, you get one pop for 50 Euros even if you're finished after 5 minutes?

If this is the case, how much would it cost (at the Palace for example) to tell the girl upfront that you want the full 30 minutes even if it is more than one pop?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]
in Palace all the girls will make you leave room as you cum, unless you make sure with them before going to room

[QUOTE=SX Lover]in Palace all the girls will make you leave room as you cum, unless you make sure with them before going to room[/QUOTE]

This is (sorry to say) bullshit.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]This is (sorry to say) bullshit.

HB[/QUOTE]

Yep, we had a repreive from the obligitory Palace bashing while I was busy pissing on the Berndts forum, but it looks like it is back.

[QUOTE=SX Lover]in Palace all the girls will make you leave room as you cum, unless you make sure with them before going to room[/QUOTE]
I am both a Palace supporter & basher, but this is total crap. I know there are some sharks swimming around, but making you leave as you are cumming is ridiculous. Accually, you have a good sense of humor.

[quote=prosewriter8]hello.

is it true that in a fkk, you get one pop for 50 euros even if you're finished after 5 minutes?

if this is the case, how much would it cost (at the palace for example) to tell the girl upfront that you want the full 30 minutes even if it is more than one pop?

thank you.[/quote]i would just like to add my euro worth to this discussion about time with palace girls. i am not a fan of this club for many reasons, no outdoors, no proper whirlpool, or and most importantly the attitude of most of the girls, please note i said most of the girls, there are 1 or 2 that are nice to be with and will give you your full time and will even talk for more then 30 seconds to you even if they know your not going to go to the room at that moment.

but back to the point of this reply, on my last visit there in late may i saw a very attractive girl, sorry i can’t help with the name, probably do with the fact that i did not session with her i was watching her for some time, she had the body that i like, a nice large chest, and a little flesh on the bones, anyway she was going to the room for sessions quit a few times during the evening, and all seemed to be pretty much in and out affairs, between 10 and 20 minutes max. she had seen me smile at her and came over to ask if i want go zimmer with her, i asked her politely (which is my way) does she only like short time in the room as i had seen her go to the room and be out in the 10 – 20 minute timeframe, i explained i would like a full half hour with her, she asked what i like to do in the room, i answered her with just relax have a nice time lots of kissing some bbbj and maybe a little sex as it was late and was going to be my 4 session of the day, i also told her that i did not care if i did not finish during the session, and repeated i just wanted to have some fun with her for 30 minutes, her reply was no problem at all, but it would cost 100euro, when i asked how she gets to this figure, i know that would be the price if i were to cim during the session she tell emit is good price for 30 minutes and she charges extra for the kissing, it was at this point i was not my usual polite self and told her that she can take her extra charge for kissing and kiss my ass.

before i get flamed as to why i was there if i do not like the place, i will explain, i went on a sunday night just to relax, i had been to oase and world the last 4 days running, and hopefully have a session or two with christina who i think is the best girl there now that linda has departed, with it being sunday i got to spin the big wheel and whoopee i won free entry, and the above incident happened on the following tuesday, the night i only went because i had the free pass.

regards

ipm

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]... I asked her politely (which is my way) does she only like short time in the room ...

... it was at this point I was not my usual polite self and told her that she can take her extra charge for kissing and kiss my ass. ...
[/QUOTE]

Only flame is that there is no cause to be impolite. I would thank the girl for showing her true nature before committing to a session with her. She did you a favor.

As one who bemoans the mindless Palace bashing, I have no problems with actual reports. Although as swindles go, this one hardly rates.

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]An extra 50euro for Kissing does not count in your book as a swindle, I would like to know what does, because it sure counts in mine.[/QUOTE]

Only if she actually extracted it from you. I would categorize this as an attempted swindle and a rather clumsey one at that. As it turns out, she was kind enough to warn you so you could bail.

If, after a 30 minute session, she claims you own 100E because she kissed, or she claimed that you were in the room for 31 minutes, that is a swindle.

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]As for being impolite, telling her to kiss my ass for her extra 50, I would not consider impolite, most Irish people I know would have told her to go and F**k her self, this I might think would be slightly impolite.LOL[/QUOTE]

How's that whole F**k off think been working out for the Irish people, historically? (running and ducking)

[QUOTE=Xavier Yves]Gens,

I'm fond of CIF/CIM when I'm in FKK. However, no matter how many times I tell the girls I'd like to have CIF (cum in face) before I come, the girls always suck my dick tightly and just accept CIM (cum in mouth).

I'm wondering if no one actually succeds in making CIF with FKK woking girls? because they dont' want the sperm boil their hair or face that they have to work for the next customer, especially sometimes there is no bathroom in the room?[/QUOTE]


The first paragraph, above, suggests that your cock is in her hands (I assume also you are lying down?), which means she is in control. Here's an approach that gives you a chance to be in control of the situation, to make sure the cum goes where you want it to go (below).

There is a real risk of shooting the sperm in her eyes. I once heard of a service provider who had red watery eyes for 4 hours after a guy shot sperm on her face and some got into her eyes.

To guard against this risk, I have often taken along an extra towel, for covering her eyes (covering the hair can also be done).

My favorite position for CIF is to have her lying down on her back with me straddling her rib cage (one knee on the bed on each side) and then with me fucking her boobs, so that on the stroke of my cock up her cleavage and towards her mouth, she can catch my knob with her lips and tongue (sometimes it helps to put a pillow under her head so her head is tilted with her mouth in just the right postion).

But just before I start the titty fuck, I take the extra towel and cover her eyes, forehead and hair. She usually catches on right away what it's for (protecting her eyes) and she usually appreciates the consideration.

Then, I start the tit fucking, making sure to get her lips and tongue on the stroke toward her mouth. If she tries to get your cock in her hand, just gently bring her hands to her breasts so she can squeeze them together while you fuck her cleavage.

At the point of no return, I switch to my hand. With my cock in my hand, so at that point I'm the one in control of where the come shoots and since her eyes are covered with the towel, she's more in a position of having to let you be in control and so you can shoot the come wherever you want. Chin. Cheeks. Nose. Mouth. Neck. Boobs. Wherever.

And if you happen to get a spurt on her hair, you were at least thoughtful enough to put the extra towel in place, so how can she complain?

This has worked for me many times and I have given many cum facials this way.

The first several cum facials I gave, I hadn't yet thought of using the extra towel, and I have to admit it was very exciting the first few times to shoot off in the girl's face. It's really not quite the same with the extra towel hiding half her face, but it's a compromise approach to avoid the risk of getting ejaculate in her eyes; otherwise some women will not allow CIF.

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]An extra 50euro for Kissing does not count in your book as a swindle, I would like to know what does, because it sure counts in mine.
[/QUOTE]
I have had women in palace, World, Oase & GT who charge extra for kissing. There seem to be more women charging extra for kissing @ Palace then the other clubs.

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I have had women in palace, World, Oase & GT who charge extra for kissing. There seem to be more women charging extra for kissing @ Palace then the other clubs.[/QUOTE]

I think in my times I have had one girl charge extra for kissing and that is Gina of Czech at Palace. I paid the €50 extra asked but that also included DATY and a less rushed pace according to her. I still ended up getting 30 minutes and getting kicked out after I had come because that was how she did it. Once you come then its out you go whether its €50 you paid or €100 for longer more GFE service.

I must say I have been lucky not to have come across kissing charge at Oase, World, Goldentime, Yin Yang, Happy Garden, etc...

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]Running and ducking from who / or whom are you referring to.[/QUOTE]

Irishpussyman,

I think Radler is running and ducking from the response from his comment.

Kind regards

Londondbasketcase

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]Where as some mongers have muted the idea of a boycott of certain clubs for what ever reason, this I will not pass comment on, I feel that all us mongers should boycott any girl who starts charging for kissing, trust me this will only be the start of going down a very slippery road, what will be next, on dessous days, extra charging for going naked, extra charging for BBBJ, as long as they can get us stupid men to pay for IT, what ever IT may be, they the clever girls will charge for IT.[/QUOTE]

Just for the record, I turn down on principle any girl that insists on a full hour or asks for any phantom extras (kissing, fingering, etc.) I like FT, so I indulge in that extra. I haven't run into it, but I would appreciate if a girl told me kissing was extra before I went to the room with her as I then know not to session with her. My only objection to your handling of the situation was the way you said no was rude.

Contrast this situation to one that occured about 18 months ago for me at Palace. I was there during the day on a weekday (unusual for me) and I had a suck and fuck session in the Kino with a Spanish girl. I'm pretty sure she thought I was a newbee. When we get to the locker, she says that will be 100E. I gave her 50E and told her I knew the pricing. She said that having a session in the Kino was 50E extra. Of course I stood my ground, politely. That, my friend, is a swindle.

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]Running and ducking from who / or whom are you referring to.[/QUOTE]

From the aggreived Irish, of course <grin>.

[QUOTE=Radler]....I had a suck and fuck session in the Kino with a Spanish girl. I'm pretty sure she thought I was a newbee. When we get to the locker, she says that will be 100E. I gave her 50E and told her I knew the pricing. She said that having a session in the Kino was 50E extra. Of course I stood my ground, politely. That, my friend, is a swindle.[/QUOTE]

Good for you for standing your ground. We should all be doing this. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]I would love to know what country your from[/QUOTE]

I am a yankee.

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]and what school system you went to[/QUOTE]

Public schools

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]I think the minister of ED should lose there job stright away[/QUOTE]

No argument, our education is crappy

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]also if this is your way of thinking I for one do not think you should be allowed to travel on your own[/QUOTE]

Lucky for me, education and intelligence is not a requirement for gaining a US passport. They practically give them away.

[QUOTE=IrishPussyman]for your own safty and those around you.[/QUOTE]

If I do meet an untimely demise, I would prefer it happen while at an FKK. I'll do my best not to take any other guests with me.

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I think in my times I have had one girl charge extra for kissing and that is Gina of Czech at Palace. I paid the €50 extra asked but that also included DATY and a less rushed pace according to her. I still ended up getting 30 minutes and getting kicked out after I had come because that was how she did it. Once you come then its out you go whether its €50 you paid or €100 for longer more GFE service.

I must say I have been lucky not to have come across kissing charge at Oase, World, Goldentime, Yin Yang, Happy Garden, etc...

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
I have never paid for extras like kissing, daty & etc. Some women have mentioned that certain extras are available for more money. I would never pay for it. Even somene as fine as Gina.

Dear fellow mongers,

I am due to visit frankfurt in the next week.

On reading the forum regularly, I have noticed that palace isnt what it used to be and now there are a lot of sharks there.

Being short of time, I dont think I'll be able to visit OASE or WORLD. Is there any other such place like a partytreff or FKK which is near to the city. I shall be staying at the Airport Sheraton.

Thanks for the reply.

Charlie

[QUOTE=Chico Charlie 1]Dear fellow mongers,

I am due to visit frankfurt in the next week.

On reading the forum regularly, I have noticed that palace isnt what it used to be and now there are a lot of sharks there.

Being short of time, I dont think I'll be able to visit OASE or WORLD. Is there any other such place like a partytreff or FKK which is near to the city. I shall be staying at the Airport Sheraton.

Thanks for the reply.

Charlie[/QUOTE]One of the differences I've noticed between europeans and americans is the concept of "a long distance". It's probably has to do with the wide open spaces that are common in the US. For example the distance between the Frankfurt airport and the Cologne airport is about 107 highway miles. My daily commute to work isn't much less than that.

Oase isn't that much farther away from your hotel than the Palace. Palace is about 10 miles from the airport and Oase is about 20 miles (about 25-30 minute drive). I'd suggest spending the additional 15 minutes and visiting Oase.

[QUOTE=Chico Charlie 1]Dear fellow mongers,

I am due to visit frankfurt in the next week.

On reading the forum regularly, I have noticed that palace isnt what it used to be and now there are a lot of sharks there.

Being short of time, I dont think I'll be able to visit OASE or WORLD. Is there any other such place like a partytreff or FKK which is near to the city. I shall be staying at the Airport Sheraton.

Thanks for the reply.

Charlie[/QUOTE]
If you don't want to go to Palace and can't make it to World or Oase, that only leaves the Aldi in Dietzenbach.

Its a former Red Carpet and we need a report on it to see how its is since the change in ownership.

If you take out a map, you will see that Dietzenbach is off the A3 just a little bit east of the airport.

The other possibility is Atlantica (or similar name) in Hanau but that is more of a hike.

Hi there FKK lovers!

I will be driving aroung Germany for some business and I was wondering if there is a map, showing the position of the FKK clubs.
I know that I have to RTFF, but I already spent 1 hour and have nothing!!!

[QUOTE=Chico Charlie 1]Being short of time, I dont think I'll be able to visit OASE or WORLD. Is there any other such place like a partytreff or FKK which is near to the city.[/QUOTE]Maybe someone more local knows the situation now better, but we should perhaps be careful pointing our fellows in the direction of Dietzenbach, as they have a record of refusing entry to non-Germans. Especially as Charlie is short on time, it would be a shame if he met trouble (even though they are more likely to be targeting Turks).

Also, although they have had some good reports over the years, the lineup is certainly short of the expectations at the Hessen 3. I've not been there, however, so this is second-hand.

Certainly, if Charlie is in Frankfurt earlier in the day, he could do worse than take the early shift at Palace.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]If you don't want to go to Palace and can't make it to World or Oase, that only leaves the Aldi in Dietzenbach.

Its a former Red Carpet and we need a report on it to see how its is since the change in ownership.

If you take out a map, you will see that Dietzenbach is off the A3 just a little bit east of the airport.

The other possibility is Atlantica (or similar name) in Hanau but that is more of a hike.[/QUOTE]
...which is located city center, but I can't vouch for the club or selection as I haven't been there in at least 3 years.

Given the short time slot and location- you'd be be best off at Palace, unless you would have the travel time available to get to Oase.

[url]http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html[/url]



[QUOTE=Ericklein]Hi there FKK lovers!

I will be driving aroung Germany for some business and I was wondering if there is a map, showing the position of the FKK clubs.
I know that I have to RTFF, but I already spent 1 hour and have nothing!!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wiild][url]http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Nice link and the amount of clubs in NRW is impressive :)

[QUOTE=Chico Charlie 1]Dear fellow mongers,

I am due to visit frankfurt in the next week.

On reading the forum regularly, I have noticed that palace isnt what it used to be and now there are a lot of sharks there.

Being short of time, I dont think I'll be able to visit OASE or WORLD. Is there any other such place like a partytreff or FKK which is near to the city. I shall be staying at the Airport Sheraton.

Thanks for the reply.

Charlie[/QUOTE]
Yes. There are a few or more sharks @ Palace, but there are still some great providers there.

[QUOTE=Wiild][url]http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html[/url][/QUOTE]

It's a lot of nice work to visit all those clubs :)
I like to have such wide choice!

[QUOTE=Wiild][url]http://www.isaw-db.com/map_de.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I checked it out.

The problem is separating those clubs worthwhile going to from those which are rarely, if ever, visited.

It also lists clubs which have either closed or been rebranded.

Their FAQ does say whoever uses the resource for researching a trip needs to visit the various fora available (such as this one) and read postings carefully.

As I've pointed out before one need only examine the number of posts for each separate club sub-thread of this forum to figure out which clubs are most visited by ISG forumlers.

If you go too far off the beaten path, you are on your own.

The clubs with most postings in this forum are destination clubs which will meet the requirements of the average non-German speaking tourist.

That having been said, I do my own thing and mostly avoid these destination clubs.

This is a set of fair play rules found on the above website which is run by prostitution organizations. The rules deal with how to interact with the women and get the most of the experience.

It is written in English and Spanish.

[quote=Freiersein.de]FairPlay
Don’t shoot an own goal.

To make sex with a sex worker more enjoyable and fun, keep the following guidelines in mind:

1) Politeness, respect and a pleasant appearance will open many doors – and more.

2) Alcohol may help you overcome your fears, but it also affects your ability to keep it up. In other words: The less you drink the more fun you’ll have..

3) A man keeps his word. Be clear from the start about what you want and what it will cost. It prevents disappointment in the long run.

4) No means no. For example, tongue play while kissing is usually out of bounds. Every business has its limits..

5) With a condom, or with a condom – the choice is yours. Black, green, blue, ribbed or with pleasure bumps – take your pick. Not using a condom, however, is a major foul.

6) If you suspect violence or force is being used, what should you do? Don’t try to be a hero. Find out where the nearest hotline is for sex workers, for example at [url]www.freiersein.de[/url]..

7) Business is business – and not love, even if your time together was wonderful. That means: Stay cool and keep your feet on the ground.

8) Pressure doesn’t help performance. Sometimes it just doesn’t work. That’s ok. Just relax and, when the time’s right, give it another go.

9) When it comes to sex, there’s no money-back guarantee. If you’re not satisfied, talk about it. If you’re smart, you won’t lose your head. Whatever happens, don’t demand your money back.

10) The neighbors want to get some sleep and are not interested in your sex life. Really.[/quote]

How about we compile the most frequently asked questions about Germany and create a definitive FAQ which we can then periodically refresh and repost so that we don't end up side tracking the discussions on the individual club forums?

It doesn't really matter who does this. As new questions are added and compiled, the entire FAQ text gets updated and then reposted. That will keep it current.

Then when newbies ask basic questions, we simply refer them to the current version of the FAQ. If I billed by the hour answering questions on the forum I'd be a very wealthy person for all of the time I've invested in answering newbie questions.

Why keep reinventing the wheel each time these questions are asked?

Any thoughts?

The FAQ would consist of questions relating to:

1) Standard operating procedure upon entering a club
2) Club etiquette
3) The dress (or rather undress) code
4) Animieren and how to deal with it
5) How to check for chemistry with a chick
6) Etc..

I'd leave club specific information for the individual club threads. This would include directions, opening hours, hotel recommendations, etc..

I'll find the current RF FKK club FAQ, adapt it and then we can perform edits. I'll label it Version 1.1

The next time a basic question is asked we can then reply: "RTFFAQ!"

[QUOTE=Jackyo]How about we compile the most frequently asked questions about Germany and create a definitive FAQ which we can then periodically refresh and repost so that we don't end up side tracking the discussions on the individual club forums?

It doesn't really matter who does this. As new questions are added and compiled, the entire FAQ text gets updated and then reposted. That will keep it current.

Then when newbies ask basic questions, we simply refer them to the current version of the FAQ. If I billed by the hour answering questions on the forum I'd be a very wealthy person for all of the time I've invested in answering newbie questions.

Why keep reinventing the wheel each time these questions are asked?

Any thoughts?

The FAQ would consist of questions relating to:

1) Standard operating procedure upon entering a club
2) Club etiquette
3) The dress (or rather undress) code
4) Animieren and how to deal with it
5) How to check for chemistry with a chick
6) Etc..

I'd leave club specific information for the individual club threads. This would include directions, opening hours, hotel recommendations, etc..

I'll find the current RF FKK club FAQ, adapt it and then we can perform edits. I'll label it Version 1.1

The next time a basic question is asked we can then reply: "RTFFAQ!"[/QUOTE]

That's a great idea. How about also having a sticky FAQ section on each club ala Rhein Forum as each club is slightly different?

Here is my first attempt at creating an FAQ for newbies to address the questions they most often pose on this forum. Some of these topics I took from an FAQ which Kaleu developed a while back.

This will save us on time and minimize clutter. We find ourselves answering the same questions over and over again if you’ve noticed.

The next time they ask a question which is answered below, simply point them at this post if not at the search function (which works very well, by the way).

I don’t think this FAQ should be longer than 25 questions. I can, as well, go on and on about some of these topics but in the interest of brevity hit only the salient points.

Please feel free to edit and repost this as necessary. To indicate a new version of the FAQ, just change the version number.

This general FAQ is meant to answer only general questions about club visits. Ideally each club should have its own FAQ.

1) [b]Which FKK clubs should I visit?[/b]

First of all get a map of Germany. This activity is available just about anywhere in Germany but there are two [i]Laender[/i] with the highest concentration of [b]destination[/b] clubs: Hessen and NRW (Nordrhein Westfalen). These are the best known clubs which draw a worldwide clientele.

If you are in Bayern, do go and visit ColA in Augsburg, z. B. but there aren’t many individuals who will cross the pond to visit just that one club. As a rule, clubs below the [i]Weisswurstaequator[/i], are more expensive and don’t offer the same level of services.

If you scan the number of posts for each individual club thread under this forum you will also get an idea of which clubs are most visited by ISG Forumler. These clubs will satisfy the needs of most non-German speaking individuals.

2) [b]What does FKK mean? [/b]

FKK stands for Freikoerper-Kultur or literally free body culture. In other words, nude.

3) [b]What are the differences between an FKK club and a Saunaclub? [/b]

At FKK clubs the female guests are expected to be in the nude except for footwear. The idea is that they are there to provide eye candy for the male guests. At Saunaclubs the women wear bikinis or lingerie. Note than some FKK clubs occasionally have dessous day when the women all wear lingerie.

4) [b]Why visit an FKK club and not patronize the RLD, the street or escort scene or strip clubs?[/b]

FKK clubs address safety, security and selection issues. The alternatives can be dangerous and there is no institutional framework for dealing with complaints and/or customer service issues. Pricing for services at an FKK club is meant to be standardized and need not be negotiated. The biggest inconvenience of visiting the RLD is that every single aspect of her service must be negotiated in advance. Strip clubs have been known to pull 300 Euro bottle of champagne scams. Included in the entrance fee for an FKK club is food and drink plus use of the sauna and other facilities. Individual women are paid directly for services provided. They are not employees of these clubs.

5) [b]What is a Partytreff? [/b]

Partytreffs or Pauschalpreisclubs offer unlimited sex for one flat fee. The idea is that you need only pay once and never have to open your wallet again. In exchange, you can theoretically have as much sex as you want with whoever you want during your stay. They also usually provide food and drink plus use of sauna and other facilities. Mostly everything is done out in the open at these clubs.

6) [b]What can I expect during my first visit to an FKK club? [/b]

Upon entering a club you will be greeted by a Thekenfrau or (in the more traditional FKK clubs, by a nude woman) who will ask if you have been there before, take your entrance fee, hand you a towel and your locker key and point you in the direction of the lockers. There you undress, shower and wrap yourself in a towel. A bathrobe is sometimes provided, too. If you’ve not been to the club before everything will be explained to you: where the showers, toilet and sauna are, where you can find food and drink and the pricing policy for individual services. Food and drink are usually available. Sometimes alcoholic drinks are available (mostly beer).

Legitimate massages are sometimes available depending on the schedule of the masseur/masseuse. Sometimes sex with the masseuse is also possible.

If the club allows [i]animieren[/i], you will be approached by the women to ask if you want company. If the club does not allow it, you will need to do the approaching as the women aren’t allowed to do any direct marketing. Some guests prefer that the women take the initiative. Others think it’s a pain in the ass.

If your test for chemistry with her works out, you can then invite her to a room and do the nasty deed. At some clubs public activity is considered normal and you can have some or all of your session on the couch where you sit or on any available flat surface. At other clubs there is no activity which takes place in full view of others. At some clubs there are [i]Kinos[/i] where semi-public activity takes place routinely.

Each club has its own individual sub-culture and sometimes club-specific rules of etiquette. One acquires a feel for this by visiting several clubs and taking note of these individual differences.

7) [b]When am I committed to a session with her? [/b]

The rule is that once her mouth makes contact with your member you are committed to her. Some girls will insist that once you make any contact with her (your lips lock, z. B.) you are committed but this isn’t normal.

8) [b]When does the clock start ticking? [/b]

Normally the clock starts ticking once you are in the room. However, clocks are usually nowhere to be found at these clubs. The one exception is Cocoon which has a clock in each room.

Some women are strict clock watchers, others are not. If your chemistry with her is right, she will bend the rules in your favor.

9) [b]Is BBBJ standard? [/b]

Yes, it is except in Bayern where the women are fined if they provide these services as the local authorities consider it an unsafe practice.

10) [b]When do I settle my bill? [/b]

Each club has its own rules. Some require that you pay each woman after each session in which case you will both walk over to your locker and you will settle your bill immediately. At other clubs you will settle your bill as you leave.

11) [b]Should I give her a tip? [/b]

The answer to this question is no. Service rates are considered all inclusive. If you are happy with her services book either an extended session with her or ask her for extras. Otherwise you risk upsetting the price structure.

12) [b]What is a normal range for fees? [/b]

Each club is different but in general entrance fees run about 50 Euros (higher for certain clubs). Thirty minute sessions usually run about 50 Euros and include BBBJ and standard services. Extras (anal, CIM, z. B. as well as special requests) will cost more. Extensions beyond thirty minutes tend to be cheaper in NRW than down in Hessen.

13) [b]Is kissing standard? [/b]

Yes, usually it is. In case of doubt, do ask. Some women just won’t do it. As a rule Partytreffs women don’t kiss.

14) [b]Where else can I do research on these clubs? [/b]

The web has dedicated forums in French, Dutch and German (what is called the RF) where individual clubs are discussed.

15) [b]Will I need a car to visit these clubs? [/b]

Most clubs are accessible via a combination of public transportation and taxi. Having a car adds flexibility to your trip planning and cuts down on travel time but is not always necessary.

The link to German Rail is [url]www.db.de[/url].

If you are researching public transportation in NRW, the following link is useful: [url]www.vrr.de[/url].

16) [b]Can I be refused entry or services? [/b]

Yes, it happens every now and then. The explanation usually given is that the club is full and that there aren’t any more lockers. As to whether it has to do with racial profiling is open to speculation. Have a back up plan. Best of all, vote with your feet and your Euros.

Individual girls are under no obligation to provide you with services, by the way. To minimize this chance, shower upon entering the club and after every session and do pay attention to your grooming. They would prefer that you not smell of anything, have clean teeth, a fresh breath and be clean shaven. Clip your fingernails short and file sharp edges.

17) [b]Can I get by as an English only speaker? [/b]

Normally yes. The clubs and the women want your money. If you want full participation in everything going on around you including the banter which takes place between the staff, the women and the other guests, German is indispensible. The most spoken languages at these clubs are actually Polish, Romanian, Russian and Turkish.

18) [b]What is the typical selection of women like? [/b]

Given a choice between working in an RLD or the street, most women would prefer to work at these clubs. They are safer and it is a more pleasant working environment. That having been said, they are usually of better quality than can be found elsewhere.

All of Eastern Europe is usually represented and a good club has a good selection of everything: blondes, brunettes, red heads but also black and Asian women. All sorts of body types will be represented too. The best clubs have mostly women in their early twenties. One shouldn’t, however, be dismissive of clubs with older women ([i]Hobbyhuren[/i])just because the selection is older.

19) [b]Are the women trafficked? [/b]

Prostitution in Germany is legal. Pimping is not. Some foreign women, no doubt, arrive in Germany via dubious means. Others are local and simply trying to meet a financial objective. There has been a large influx of Romanian and Bulgarian women lately.

20) [b]How does one test for chemistry with an individual chick? [/b]

It is usually not a good idea upon entering a club to pick the first attractive woman you see. As a rule, it is best to sit and observe for an hour before making your choice. The best women are usually fully booked and may not be in the contact room when you arrive. Take notes as to which ones are constantly booked. Also observe how each woman interacts with her clients. Her actions on the couch are a good indication of her services. Chances are that if she doesn’t kiss on the couch, she also doesn’t kiss in the room, z. B.

Time her sessions. Its not a fool proof indication that she provides good services but if her sessions consistently last only fifteen minutes, she is probably processing clients, not really spending quality time with them.

Watch to see how her interaction with clients as they leave the room. Does he have a huge smile on his face? What does his and her body language say? If you really want to know, go over and talk to the dude.

If you smile at her and she smiles back it is a good sign she wants to session with you. If during a preliminary conversation you can make her laugh and you find her funny, you will probably have a good time together.

Simply wanting to have a conversation with her shouldn’t cost you anything, by the way. However, don’t sit too close to her or make any contact until you’ve decided you want to spend time with her in the room.

21) [b]Where can I find a list of German abbreviations? [/b]

This doesn’t exist as of yet.

22) [b]Should I mention that I post on the ISG? [/b]

This isn’t a good idea. The women, though, are probably more concerned with RF posters. The occasional tourist posting about them isn’t going to get as much press as compared to a posting done by a local guest in German on the local forum.

23) [b]How will I know if I’ve been scammed? What are typical scams? [/b]

Your typical dispute with her will revolve around a) how much time was actually spent together, b) what services were performed or not performed.

If you want to avoid problems with time, bring a watch with you and make subtle reference to it when you enter the room. The problem is that if you have booked yourself with a non-clock watcher, you may inadvertently turn her into one this way. If she is not a processor and your chemistry is right, she will bend the rules a lot. If she is a processor, she will charge you for a full hour if you session goes even a minute beyond thirty minutes.

More insidious is the “running up the clock” scam where she tries to extend the session so she can charge for the overtime.

Disputes over which services were performed or not performed are trickier. Make sure you have had a discussion with her about extras before going down that road. Bring the matter to the attention of the staff if you strongly feel you have been taken advantage of.

24) [b]Are there any forbidden topics I shouldn’t bring up with the women? [/b]

The women, as a rule, don’t like to talk about their private lives: where they live, if they have boyfriends or husbands, why they do this for a living. If she does start talking about these matters, that is another matter.

If there is something she doesn’t like to do, by the way, it would be best to stop it just so as not to spoil the mood.

Here's is an unofficial list that I have gathered from various sources. Feel free to amend or integrate:

AB = Adultbabies
AO = alles ohne (Kondom, auch GV)
ASa = Analspiele aktiv
ASp = Analspiele passiv
AST = After-Sex-Talk (Nachgespräch)
AV = Analverkehr
Bade = Badespiele
BC = Bordellcommunity
Begl = Begleitung
Bi = Bisexuell
BiFi = BilligFicker
Bond = Bondage
BSS = Bonner Straßenstrich
Dom = Dominant
DS = Dildospiele
DT = Deep Throat
DV = Dolce Vita, Düsseldorf
EC = Eroscenter
EL = Eierlecken
Erz = Erziehung
F = Französisch
FA = Fingeranal
FAa = Faustanal Aktiv
FAp = Fautanal Passiv
FE = Fußerotik
FEE = Für Einsteiger Empfehlenswert
FF = Faustfick oder Fußfetisch
FO = französisch ohne Gummi
Foto = Fotofreundlich
Fp = Lecken
FRZ = französisch
FS = Fesselspiele
FT = französisch total (Mundaufnahme mit/ohne Schlucken)
GB = Gesichtsbesamung oder Gang Bang
GF6 = Girlfriendsex (Sex wie mit der eigenen Freundin)
GV = Geschlechtsverkehr
HE = Handentspannung
HG = HeavensGate, Dorsten
HH = Hausbesuche
HM = Hodenmassage
HP = Homepage
IR = IllusionsRealisation
KB = Körperbesamung
KFI = Keine finanziellen Interessen (wer´s glaubt... )
KSS = Kölner Straßenstrich
KV = Kaviar
LuL = Lack & Leder
Miller = Tittenfick
MuF = Muschifingern
NS = Natursekt
NSa = NS aktiv
NSmA = NS mit Aufnahme
NSp = NS Passiv
ÖM = Ölmassage
OV = Oralverkehr
OW = Oberweite
PHG = Planet Happy Garden
PST = Pre-Sex-Talk (Vorgespräch)
PT = Partytreff, manchmal auch Partnertausch
Reise = Urlaubsbegleitung
RO = ReadOnly (=Nurleser)
RS = Rollenspiele
RTC = Rote-Teppich-Clubs, Ruhrgebiet
SM = Sado/Maso
Spa = Spanisch
SpZK = Spezial oder Sperma ZK
SS = Spucke
SS = Straßenstrich
Strip = Striptease
SÜD = Samenüberdruck
TA = TopAct
Telesex = Telefonsex
TF = Tittenfick
TS = Transsexuelle
VB = Verkehrsberichte
Verbal = Verbalerotik
ZA = Zungenanal
ZK = Zungenküsse

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[quote=gattonero]
kv = kaviar
ns = natursekt[/quote]

for the non-german speaking and metaphorically challenged, kv=shit play and ns=[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url] or rep002s.

thought you might like to know.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Here is my first attempt at creating an FAQ for newbies to address the questions they most often pose on this forum. Some of these topics I took from an FAQ which Kaleu developed a while back.[/QUOTE]
It's long overdue. Perhaps you should petition Jackson to put it in its own special section so that it will be easier to find.

I have one comment: I have been finding more and more PT women who do kiss.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]15) [b]Will I need a car to visit these clubs? [/b]

Most clubs are accessible via a combination of public transportation and taxi. Having a car adds flexibility to your trip planning and cuts down on travel time but is not always necessary.

The link to German Rail is [url]www.db.de[/url].

If you are researching public transportation in NRW, the following link is useful: [url]www.vrr.de[/url]. [/QUOTE]
One suggested change: for the link to German transportation system (it covers also ground transport not only rail) I would list link to the English language version of the website [url]http://www.bahn.de/international/view/en/index.shtml[/url]

[QUOTE=Iseeu]I have one comment: I have been finding more and more PT women who do kiss. [/quote]
I have kissed some PT girls but as a rule they've turned their faces away when I've tried. Maybe you are just more kissable than I am! :)

What can I do make myself cuter?

I'll make the edit with the English DB website when I publish the next version.

[quote=gattonero]here's is an unofficial list that i have gathered from various sources. feel free to amend or integrate:[/quote]here’s a translation of gattonero’s german abbreviations. please correct me if i made any mistakes.

ab = adultbabies

ao = alles ohne (kondom, auch gv)
english: intercourse without condom

asa = analspiele aktiv
english: anal (giving)

asp = analspiele passiv
english: anal (receiving)

ast = after-sex-talk (nachgespräch)

av = analverkehr
english: anal intercourse

bade = badespiele
english: action in bath/whirlpool

bifi = billigficker
english: budget oriented monger (?)

bond = bondage

dom = dominant

ds = dildospiele
english: dildo games

dt = deep throat

dv = dolce vita, düsseldorf

ec = eroscenter
english: brothel apartments usually located in rld areas all over germany

el = eierlecken
english: licking of balls

f = französisch
english: blow job

fa = fingeranal
english: fingering of anus

faa = faustanal aktiv
english: ass fisting (giving)

fap = fautanal passiv
english: ass fisting (receiving)

fe = fußerotik
english: foot fetish

ff = faustfick oder fußfetisch
english: fist fuck or foot fetish

fo = französisch ohne gummi
english: bbbj / bare back blow job

foto = fotofreundlich
english: photo friendly

fp = lecken
english: daty / pussy licking

frz = französisch
english: blow job

fs = fesselspiele
english: bondage

ft = französisch total (mundaufnahme mit/ohne schlucken)
english: cim / come in mouth with or without swallowing

gb = gesichtsbesamung oder gang bang
english: gesichtsbesamung = cof / come on face, gb may also refer to gang bang

gf6 = girlfriendsex (sex wie mit der eigenen freundin)
english: gfe

gt = sauna club goldentime brüggen

gv = geschlechtsverkehr
english: sexual intercourse

he = handentspannung
english: hand job

hg = heavensgate, dorsten

hh = hausbesuche
english: house visit

hm = hodenmassage
english: testicle massage

hp = homepage

ir = illusionsrealisation
english: role play

kb = körperbesamung
english: cob / come on body

kfi = keine finanziellen interessen (wer´s glaubt... )
english: no financial interests

kv = kaviar
english: rep001 / shit

lul = lack & leder
english: leather and latex

miller = tittenfick
english: tit fucking

muf = muschifingern
english: fingering of pussy

ns = natursekt
english: rep002

nsa = ns aktiv
english: rep002 (active, i.e. the one pissing)

nsma = ns mit aufnahme
english: rep002, also in mouth

nsp = ns passiv
english: rep002 (receiving)

öm = ölmassage
english: oil massage

ov = oralverkehr
english: blow job

ow = oberweite
english: chest measurement

phg = planet happy garden

pst = pre-sex-talk (vorgespräch)

pt = partytreff, manchmal auch partnertausch

reise = urlaubsbegleitung
english: vacation company

ro = readonly (=nurleser)

rs = rollenspiele
english: role play

rtc = rote-teppich-clubs, ruhrgebiet
english: red carpet clubs

sm = sado/maso

spa = spanisch
english: tit fucking

ss = spucke
english: spit

strip = striptease

süd = samenüberdruck
english: blue balls

ta = topact

telesex = telefonsex

tf = tittenfick
english: tit fucking

verbal = verbalerotik
english: dirty talk

za = zungenanal
english: stimulation of anus with tongue

zk = zungenküsse
english: kissing with tongue

This should put an end to the endless questions about what these abbreviations mean.

I'll check it when I have time.

...compiled by Gattonero have now been added by Jackson to the main Abbreviations section found on the main ISG links.

[QUOTE=Jackyo] a supply of female condoms (where can one find these things? I think the burden of putting them on should be shifted to the women.)[/QUOTE]Every pharmacy in Germany should have them. It would be a good idea for clubs to advertise usage of female condoms with some of their women. Instead of extras nobody (not me at least) needs.

Hi all,

I've decided I'd like to learn some German, partly because I enjoyed learning French way back in school (honestly yes!) and figure I'd enjoy the challenge of German and partly for enhancing my German mongering experiences. Plus, if I get to try some of the more far flung clubs/pt's then I'm sure it will be invaluable.

My question is: Is anyone else learning too? Does anyone recommend a particular book/cd etc, such a choice out there !

Danke de DT

[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Hi all,

I've decided I'd like to learn some German, partly because I enjoyed learning French way back in school (honestly yes!) and figure I'd enjoy the challenge of German and partly for enhancing my German mongering experiences. Plus, if I get to try some of the more far flung clubs/pt's then I'm sure it will be invaluable.

My question is: Is anyone else learning too? Does anyone recommend a particular book/cd etc, such a choice out there !

Danke de DT[/QUOTE]I'm one of the americans Obama was refering to with regard to lack of a second language (although I do speak enough French to make myself understood--not all the french are rude to people who mangle their language).

The only program I've had any success with is RosettaStone. As you can imagine, the unique vocabulary useful in a FKK is not included. But hey, I was able to reserve a hotel room.

Boomer

[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Hi all,

I've decided I'd like to learn some German, partly because I enjoyed learning French way back in school (honestly yes!) and figure I'd enjoy the challenge of German and partly for enhancing my German mongering experiences. Plus, if I get to try some of the more far flung clubs/pt's then I'm sure it will be invaluable.

My question is: Is anyone else learning too? Does anyone recommend a particular book/cd etc, such a choice out there !

Danke de DT[/QUOTE]

If you are really serious about learning Deutsch, don't waste your time with a book or CD: Go to Deutschland for an intensive 2-week or 4-week Sprach Course. This is really the best (and only?) way to do it. Yes it is expensive. Yes, you will have to sacrifice by actually living in Germany for this period (oh how will you fill your free time??). But it will pay enormous dividends. Also, don't bother learning any language if you don't learn to read and write it simultaneously with the speaking.

The best most efficient intensive courses are offered by the Goethe Institue, with branches all over Germany. Choose your favourite area, then do it. Expensive, but worth it!

Ortos

Are worth a look from anyone willing to learn or improve their german:

[url]http://www.dw-world.de/dw/0,,2469,00.html[/url]

A quite wide choice of learning tools is offered. They might or might not fit your needs, but at least they are free, so why not have a try?

[QUOTE=Ortos]If you are really serious about learning Deutsch, don't waste your time with a book or CD: Go to Deutschland for an intensive 2-week or 4-week Sprach Course. This is really the best (and only?) way to do it. Yes it is expensive. Yes, you will have to sacrifice by actually living in Germany for this period (oh how will you fill your free time??). But it will pay enormous dividends. Also, don't bother learning any language if you don't learn to read and write it simultaneously with the speaking.

The best most efficient intensive courses are offered by the Goethe Institue, with branches all over Germany. Choose your favourite area, then do it. Expensive, but worth it!

Ortos[/QUOTE]

Hey DT,

Can't agree enough with what Ortos has said. The Goethe Institute courses are probably the best around. Not sure where you are located, but the Goethe Institute has centers all over the world and you may luck out and have one near you. Not only do they offer intensive German language instruction , but you can also hook up with local German speakers in your area and give your newly learned language skill a workout. If you cannot get to Germany for an extended period for a course, then the next best thing might be to take part in a German "Stammtsch" at a local restaurant or bar. Good way to practice.

Of course, you probably will not get a chance to use typical FKK Deutsch at most Stammtisch gatherings.

Personally, I got no problems with the tapes and cds, but don't expect them to do everything for you. They can be handy for getting the "sound" of the language in your ear.

viel Glück und viel Spaß beim Deutsch lernen!


Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Dick Travel]Hi all,

I've decided I'd like to learn some German, partly because I enjoyed learning French way back in school (honestly yes!) and figure I'd enjoy the challenge of German and partly for enhancing my German mongering experiences. Plus, if I get to try some of the more far flung clubs/pt's then I'm sure it will be invaluable.

My question is: Is anyone else learning too? Does anyone recommend a particular book/cd etc, such a choice out there !

Danke de DT[/QUOTE]
If you are only interested in learning a few phrases, the language tapes should be fine. I am at the same stage in kicking around Polish.

If you are interested in having a real conversation, you will at some point in time need to invest in a real course with grammar and everything. The language is very precise and speaking a pidgin form of it isn't cool unless you don't mind being lumped together with those Turkish [i]Gastarbeiter[/i] who've lived there for over thirty years and still don't speak German properly.

There is, as well, the stereotype of the linguistically challenged monolingual Anglophone.

In real life I've had German girlfriends (none currently) and I speak it daily though I live on this side of the pond.

The tricky thing for me is not getting my [i]Puffdeutsch[/i] vocabulary mixed up with my normal, daily German.

I once described a mutual friend of ours to a woman I know as [i]naturgeil[/i]. That raised her eyebrows.

Also, they are usually quite surprised I know about towns like Hennef and Altenstadt.

If you want to build your [i]Puffdeutsch[/i] vocabulary, I can highly recommend reading the RF regularly. Before the RF there was Isurchs Ruhrgebietsforum which is really where I cut my teeth. Yep, there is a lot of crap written there but also a lot of really funny postings.

My tastes are quite particularly to me. As Deda has written here before, his best and his worst sessions have been with German women.

When I enter a club, I screen for comprehension. I don't go with women I can't understand. This automatically excludes most of the EE women who are just Fresh Off the Bus (FOB) (If she speaks no German at all, how did she make it across all of Central Europe to get there on her own?) This is my contribution to political correctness.

As someone who attended the Goethe Institut (no e) both in my home country and in Germany and learned German rather late in life, I highly recommend it.

Basically, you cannot learn conversational German from a book. You need to get a good grounding in the phonetics of the language from the start and the only way to do this is with direct and frequent feedback from a German speaker. Without a grounding in the phonetics, you may learn some vocabulary and grammer, but still no one will understand you when you try to speak it.

They will teach you how to deal with real life situations as you progress through the course, giving you confidence as your langauge skills grow. I chuckle to myself everytime I enter a train station how well they prepared me for that situation. Now if we can just get them to add a chapter "At the FKK".

[QUOTE=Jackyo]

If you are interested in having a real conversation, you will at some point in time need to invest in a real course with grammar and everything. The language is very precise and speaking a pidgin form of it isn't cool unless you don't mind being lumped together with those Turkish [i]Gastarbeiter[/i] who've lived there for over thirty years and still don't speak German properly.
[/QUOTE]

This is true up to a point. Fact is Germans in general are pretty forgiving of people who come here and make mincemeat of the language. Getting a handle on German grammar takes a commitment and it ain't that easy.

When I started to get somewhat serious about not sounding like a 4 year-old when speaking German (actually most 4 year-olds speak the tongue much better than I do) I spent a good deal of time working out of a book called, "Die neue Gelbe" which did wonders for me:

[url]http://www.amazon.de/Lehr-%C3%9Cbungsbuch-deutschen-Grammatik-CDROM/dp/3191172556[/url]

Also I made a point of slogging through at least five German newspaper articles a day. If you are new to the language, then I would suggest only one or two. Looking up words in the dictionary gets tiring.

Make index cards with new nouns that you learn. Include gender and on the back declensions.

Do the same with Verbs and their conjugations.

One tool that I did not have when I was learning German is the Internet. Check out the Deutsche Welle site.

[url]http://www.dw-world.de/[/url]

You can get the same news reports and features in German and English.

Also you can read any one of a thousand German newspapers online.

The German Stammtisch deal really is a good way to start getting your tongue loose (I can already hear a number of ISGers with filthy minds snickering) and get over the actual speaking hump (there I go again).

If it is your first time with a foreign language and you cannot devote the time for "total immersion" then you will of course have to accept some limits and I personally think that this is OK.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]
The tricky thing for me is not getting my [i]Puffdeutsch[/i] vocabulary mixed up with my normal, daily German.

I once described a mutual friend of ours to a woman I know as [i]naturgeil[/i]. That raised her eyebrows.

[/QUOTE]

One of these days we will have to meet and I can tell you some of the embarrassing errors that I have made in the past.


[QUOTE=Jackyo]
If you want to build your [i]Puffdeutsch[/i] vocabulary, I can highly recommend reading the RF regularly. Before the RF there was Isurchs Ruhrgebietsforum which is really where I cut my teeth. Yep, there is a lot of crap written there but also a lot of really funny postings.

My tastes are quite particularly to me. As Deda has written here before, his best and his worst sessions have been with German women.

When I enter a club, I screen for comprehension. I don't go with women I can't understand. This automatically excludes most of the EE women who are just Fresh Off the Bus (FOB) (If she speaks no German at all, how did she make it across all of Central Europe to get there on her own?) This is my contribution to political correctness.[/QUOTE]


No doubt that having a bit of conversational Deutsch is a plus. I find that it helps me more when dealing with a club's management rather than the girls. In many of the clubs mentioned in this forum, the majority of gals are non-German and a significant number of those would rather speak English than German. Having said that, what German linguistic skills that I possess have helped break the ice a bit more quickly and I am rarely the target of a girl on the make for a quick "tourist trick". Also my German has helped facilitate more than a few "hand-offs" between me and some Gents who I make club-runs with. Back when Russian Melissa at GT spoke no English, it helped a bit to have one of us handle logistics in a understandable tongue. Same for Leila at World and more recently, Maria/Viktoria at Palace, who has good English but is shy about using it at times.

One disadvantage: You can understand some of the mean things a girl might say about you if you send her away.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Guys, what can I say? Seven quality responses in half a day, thankyou.

I didn't want to leave it ages to respond, but have only a minute to spare right now, I shall take them all in and reply properly later.

merci boucoup


DT ;-)

[QUOTE=Dick Travel]merci boucoup[/QUOTE]Dick, not a very promising start, but do keep at it... LOL

@Dick Travel: Programs such as Rosetta Stone are ok to build up your basic vocabulary and comprehension, but you need to go beyond that to be able to carry on a conversation. If you are unable to participate in German discussion or intensive course to follow that up, I would recommend watching German movies to further improve your comprehension (that is how I picked up most of my English comprehension). There are many quite good German movies out there. I would recommend for example Das Leben der Anderen, Das Boot, Lola rennt and of course Der Untergang.

Then buy a collection of short stories in German and try to get through few of them.

Remember though that at some point you must start to have regular conversation in the language, but the above helps you get to the point you feel comfortable trying that and it might give some head start into intensive courses.

Then you can do as some do and practice your German on an English sex forum where about 3% of the readers understand the language and about 1% well enough to correct you :-) Makes as much sence as winter tires in Hawaii

Now, I would not classify my German abilities beyond the pidgin category, but never felt uncool using it. I would say that without exception, anywhere in the world locals will appreciate any effort to speak the local language. The best way to get beyond the pidgin state it to talk and have people correct you and give you new ideas how to express what you want to say.

[QUOTE=Dedalus]This is true up to a point. Fact is Germans in general are pretty forgiving of people who come here and make mincemeat of the language. Getting a handle on German grammar takes a commitment and it ain't that easy. [/quote]
You get absolutely no respect if you mangle the French language. Germans are more forgiving.

There are many more English words to be found in German. In the IT and management fields, English words are sprinkled into German conversations quite regularly. When in doubt, use the English word and you can get by.

If the motivation is there to learn the language, you will achieve that objective. Its a question of how much time you can put into mastering the [i]awful German language[/i] as Mark Twain put it.

On the other hand, if you ever get to the point of mastering it, you get nothing but [i]Respekt[/i].

There is an expression which goes: [i]Deutsche Sprache, schwierige Sprache[/i]. It is their own acknowledgement of how difficult it is to speak it properly.

[quote=Dedalus]One of these days we will have to meet and I can tell you some of the embarrassing errors that I have made in the past.[/quote]
One mistake I made at my hotel a couple of years ago was asking for a [i]Hubschrauber[/i] when I meant to ask them if I could borrow a [i]Schraubenzieher[/i]. They gave me a puzzled look until I figured out I had been asking for a helicopter when I meant to ask for a screwdriver (there was a screw I needed to tighten).

I don't think German is that hard to learn. Try to learn Mandarin, Hindi, Finish or Hungarian.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]I don't think German is that hard to learn.[/QUOTE]

For an English speaker, the grammer is the main issue. I get der/die/das wrong all the time, but have no problem with the word position. The vocabulary is relatively easy and the phonetics are moderately difficult.

Having watched Chinese and Japanese people struggle with German in a classroom setting, I appreciate the challenges of learning a totally unrelated language. Many of them already knew English and were learning German as a third language but had difficulty distinguishing the phonetics and vocabulary. Fortunately, street German is relatively forgiving of intermixing English words. The phonetics are another matter.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]The language is very precise and speaking a pidgin form of it isn't cool unless you don't mind being lumped together with those Turkish [i]Gastarbeiter[/i] who've lived there for over thirty years and still don't speak German properly.[/QUOTE]

I'll pass over the xenophobic aspects of the comment to politely disagree.

As my German grew over time, I found most Germans very polite and appreciative that I was using their language, even if I do make grammatical errors and occassionally struggled with the vocabulary. Most Germans seem pleasantly surprised when an American prefers to use German over English. It's a little like watching the dog walking on his hind legs. The point isn't whether the dog is doing it well, the point is that the dog is doing it at all.

Ex-pats that live in Germany are another matter entirely. They tend to go overboard when "going native" and almost become a bad parody of some of the stereotypes of the locals. This isn't specific to ex-pats in Germany. I've seen the same tendancy in Japan, and even experienced it a lesser degree when I had been in another country for too long and had started to "go native". Perhaps the Germans are less forgiving of errors made by ex-pats that have gone native.

I will say I think the Germans are far more gracious towards those struggling with their language than Americans are towards people struggling with English in America.

This forum has been an immensely rich resource for me as I prepare for my first trip-with-hobby-bonus to Germany.

I even learned to use the search after I saw a "gentle" reminder from one of the regular posters to someone asking a question for the 5, 387th time. Looked up and there it was at the top of the page. Worked, too. I easily found the answer to my question about bringing my own condoms, although I'm still not sure what to do with them while I'm there (where a long string of them as a chain around my neck? Stuff a few into the crack of my ass? I don't think I can walk around that tightly). Well, there are some things you just have to wait until you're there to learn.

But it was just coincidence that I found Jackyo's post from two years ago indexing other posts (#1833). His first links to Routard's descriptions (#1576, particularly the first part) and some tips on what girls expect (#1492) are really good. That got me to thinking how easy it is to overwhelm a thread like this with the ongoing contributions such as the pleasant conversation going on below.

Is it possible to create a true FAQ resource thread, which is open to only a few of the most obsessively well-informed contributors (Jackyo, Ieeu, Wan King, Routard, couple others. You guys know who you are)? That way, something like Jackyo's index post could be organized and kept up to date. For example, the second part of Routard's primer in #1576 is the type of thing with a very short half life.

It would be great to have such information at the newbie's fingertips.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]The tricky thing for me is not getting my [i]Puffdeutsch[/i] vocabulary mixed up with my normal, daily German.

I once described a mutual friend of ours to a woman I know as [i]naturgeil[/i]. That raised her eyebrows.

Also, they are usually quite surprised I know about towns like Hennef and Altenstadt.

When I enter a club, I screen for comprehension. I don't go with women I can't understand. This automatically excludes most of the EE women who are just Fresh Off the Bus (FOB) (If she speaks no German at all, how did she make it across all of Central Europe to get there on her own? ) This is my contribution to political correctness. [/QUOTE]Jackyo is right, I can see I'm definitely going to have to watch myself if I keep doing this to make sure I don't show too much knowledge of crude expressions and of those places which all my German friends would certainly know about but which would never by mentioned in polite conversation with foreign friends.

Regarding the conversation below, you can put me on the side of those saying Germans are appreciative of those trying to speak the language and awfully patient with them. The french are to one side of that extreme (although this is breaking down as even the french start to realize that most people around the world don't think their language or their culture or even their cuisine or wine is that special) and the Germans to the other (although, as in the flag-waving example cited below, that is starting to change a bit as they regain their national self-confidence).

My last little remark is that I don't think the lack of German language skills necessarily implies anything sinister. All it takes is one person in a group to know a little German and all her friends can get around. Point well taken on the fact that we really have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, though.

Hi all,

Thanks again for all the responses to my question re reccomendations for learning some German.

Several of you rightly pointed out how to go about it very much depends on my objectives and the time available to me.

Well, having been to various FKK's now and stayed in various places etc and each time got by with a nervously spoken Guten Tag and little more, the time has come to pull my blummin finger out and stop being the stereotypical language lazy Englishman, show some respect to my hosts and at least try and learn a few phrases of their language!

(as an aside when I'm meeting an FKK girl I like to try and be able to pass some comment on their home country, even if I've not visited. Failing that at least refer to the capital correctly, perhaps by asking if they live far from it. It perhaps shows we might possibly consider their countries have something more interesting to remark upon than the fair maidens they produce ! It's a token gesture maybe, but I think perhaps the effort is noted and seen as a sign of some respect being given to them as people and not just meat !)

Do you know what, I digress more than Ronnie Corbett telling a story sometimes.

Anyway, as I was saying before I got distracted...

I did enjoy learning French and found I learnt quite easily, so hopefully I have the skills to pick up some German fairly well too.

My aim is just to be able to get by with greetings, travel, introductions and hopefully onto a little small talk. If I get onto more than that then fabulous but becoming anything like semi fluent is not a goal of mine. At least not yet but one day who knows.

Timewise, I'm limited and much as I'd love to spend a week or two immersed in Germany on a course, what time I can spend there has other things to do which provide much more ready satisfaction, even if short term ;-)

Anyway, I seem to have fallen on my feet with a product which was on special offer in a local emporium...

"Berlitz German Premier" which comprises
a) a multimedia package which comprises several panes enabling one to view a video of an interaction scenario performed by German natives, follow the German transcript complete with words highlighting in time and if struggling follow an English translation in a further pane. One can stop/start/slow down etc at will and more.
It also contains some activities/games such as crosswords etc to further enable vocabulary build up, Flashcards and more.
Finally, I have not tried it yet, but it will also record ones voice and show you the waveform alongside the native speakers so you can observe and listen back to your pronunciation etc while responding to questions / playing a part in a conversation.

b) A set of CD's forming an audio tutor for basic conversations/scenarios
c) Discs with ipod excercises and mp3 files
d) Flash card software for Palm or Pocket PC.
e) Vocab building screensaver

All for £20 in WHSmiths!

So, it seems to have all approaches and I'm quite positive I should be able to master what I am seeking to.
If anyone is interested to hear how I got on / am getting on feel free to PM for a review once I've had some time to try it fully.


The multitude of tips are much appreciated and I shall be exploring the links such as the Deutsche Welle website too.


Mmmm, maybe some Romanian might be more useful for this game!
I certainly enjoyed picking up some Russian from a very fine young lady from a Moscow Tochka, not that body parts and sexy compliments would be much use booking a train ticket ;-)

Thanks again guys,

Gute nacht

DT

[QUOTE=Johnny Z]This forum has been an immensely rich resource for me as I prepare for my first trip-with-hobby-bonus to Germany.

I even learned to use the search after I saw a "gentle" reminder from one of the regular posters to someone asking a question for the 5, 387th time. Looked up and there it was at the top of the page. Worked, too. I easily found the answer to my question about bringing my own condoms, although I'm still not sure what to do with them while I'm there (where a long string of them as a chain around my neck? Stuff a few into the crack of my ass? I don't think I can walk around that tightly). Well, there are some things you just have to wait until you're there to learn.

But it was just coincidence that I found Jackyo's post from two years ago indexing other posts (#1833). His first links to Routard's descriptions (#1576, particularly the first part) and some tips on what girls expect (#1492) are really good. That got me to thinking how easy it is to overwhelm a thread like this with the ongoing contributions such as the pleasant conversation going on below.

Is it possible to create a true FAQ resource thread, which is open to only a few of the most obsessively well-informed contributors (Jackyo, Ieeu, Wan King, Routard, couple others. You guys know who you are)? That way, something like Jackyo's index post could be organized and kept up to date. For example, the second part of Routard's primer in #1576 is the type of thing with a very short half life.[/QUOTE]
... but just haven't had time.

Maybe if someone would pay me to do it. :)

Being able to use the search function is one thing but having a list like the index shows you every club ever reported on and gives you the big picture.

Hey there!

Not sure this the right forum for such a question, but this one is of general nature and covers all of FKKs I believe. Sorry, if posted this in the wrong thread.

Given that FKK girls give us almost always BBBJ or even BBBJTC or BBBJTCWS if we pay more (:) ), and we (guys) surely like it this way and are ready to pay for this, what happens with the risk of those diseases that one can get through a bare blow job? Is that still safe to have it in an FKK where the same girl gave a blow job or even sawallowed from a number of fellows minutes or hours ago the same day or every day? Is that about them using some profilactic after every man or every man should consider the risk for himself? I do understand the rules of the game but am wondering whether I should be afraid from the minute I came into FKK or the risk is minimum for some reason? Thanks.

Turisto

[QUOTE=Turisto]Hey there!

Not sure this the right forum for such a question, but this one is of general nature and covers all of FKKs I believe. Sorry, if posted this in the wrong thread.

Given that FKK girls give us almost always BBBJ or even BBBJTC or BBBJTCWS if we pay more (:) ), and we (guys) surely like it this way and are ready to pay for this, what happens with the risk of those diseases that one can get through a bare blow job? Is that still safe to have it in an FKK where the same girl gave a blow job or even sawallowed from a number of fellows minutes or hours ago the same day or every day? Is that about them using some profilactic after every man or every man should consider the risk for himself? I do understand the rules of the game but am wondering whether I should be afraid from the minute I came into FKK or the risk is minimum for some reason? Thanks.

Turisto[/QUOTE]
This includes crossing the street or even just sitting on the couch watching TV.

The one way to avoid this risk totally is total abstinence.

Or you can try to minimize the risk by asking her to only do covered BJs.

I personally don't like BJs but, as usual, I am the exception to the rule. I've had my share of overly toothy ones and they hurt. They are not the main event in my sessions. I will put up with about a minute of them before I ask her to switch activities.

Its not that I don't like them. I just don't like putting my thing in a place with nearby sharp objects. Nope, I don't have a [i]vagina dentata[/i] phobia. I have a phobia of places with real teeth.

Or you can visit clubs in Bayern where uncovered BJs are by law not allowed. Only in Bayern!

as far as i know unprotected oral sex is a very low risk practice, both for the giving and the receiving person.

and after all it would probably not be common practice in clubs if it was high risk ;)

it's also a good thing to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] after receiving a bare bj since [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] is sterile, minimizes the risk to you even further.

i have a question though, did they perform bare bjs in fkks even say in the mid 90s?

in those days the fear of hiv must have been much greater, and it wasn't quite established how you could get infected, even oral sex was regarded as a means of being infected.

if they did perform bbbjs that would have been surprising i think!

[QUOTE=Jackyo]This includes crossing the street or even just sitting on the couch watching TV.[/QUOTE]Agree, you can probably get smth bad by sitting on the coach at one's favourite FKK where a lot of bare action already occurred :) :) . But seriously - do we know whether the girls are requested to do any sort of profilactic measures (antiseptic, etc.) after each BBBJ or this is up to each girl? Any health problems experienced by any of the customers in FKK as a result of DFKs and BBBJs? Just wondering whether this info/statistics exist or disclosed?

Bayern clubs is not an option. :)

[QUOTE=F Nature]I have a question though, did they perform bare BJs in FKKs even say in the mid 90s?[/QUOTE]
BBBJ has been standard since that time.

Could I bring a female friend to Oase, World o Palace? She likes threesomes with with other females.

[QUOTE=July Gan]Could I bring a female friend to Oase, World o Palace? She likes threesomes with with other females.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but she will need to pay like other customers, wear towel or robe like everyone else and can not service any of the other clientele. In any case, it's best to speak to the management beforehand.

Many of the SP will happily take the 2 of you to a room and you will be charged for a double session (50 euro per person). You and she should be aware and prepared that she will receive a lot of looks from the paying customers. BTW, it's much more common at PT's and there she could entertain other men if she chooses and not feel like a piece of meat.

As has been documented here our friends Shiatsu and Cordelia went to World and Cordelia enjoyed the scene so much that she moved to the other side and began to work there regularly.

Njoy and write us about your experiences...

[QUOTE=July Gan]Could I bring a female friend to Oase, World o Palace? She likes threesomes with with other females.[/QUOTE]

It's definately possible – under the conditions Iseeu correctly stated.

I personaly saw it twice happening. Once at Oase, once at Golden Time.

Globus

[QUOTE=F Nature]As far as I know unprotected oral sex is a very low risk practice, both for the giving and the receiving person.[/QUOTE]I am someone who takes essentially no risks. I value my life way too much.

Let's talk about AIDS first.

After a lot of research, the consensus seems to be that getting your dick sucked has essentially zero risk. Of course, if the girl doesn't have AIDS, you can't get it, so all risk discussion assumes she does (otherwise there is no point in the discussion). There are two main reasons for this. First, unless you have open sores (in which case you can get AIDS from holding hands), there is no way the virus can be transmitted. It doesn't go through skin or intact mucus membranes. Second, even if you did, a) the viral load in saliva is way to small to cause infection (you would have to be exposed to several liters within a short time) and b) there is an enzyme in saliva which de-activates the Hi virus. So, to get AIDS by being sucked, the girl would have to be bleeding out of her mouth and you would have to have open sores.

The risk to the girl is somewhat higher, but still quite low compared to vaginal or anal sex (which have a much higher risk, very high for the receptive partner, especially anally). First, the virus is in sperm. Second, not all of it can be de-activated by the girl's saliva. Third, the girl might have small cuts in the mouth (perhaps from having eaten potato chips) which don't bleed (and hence wouldn't be a risk to you) but are open enough to become infected by infected sperm. Theoretically, if she swallows and has an ulcer, that's also a possibility. Still, oral sex, even for the person doing the sucking, is relatively low risk.

As for licking a girl---it is almost impossible to get AIDS from a girl, except via vaginal or anal sex (unprotected---with a condom, no worries).

Officially, no government agency will come out and say this, both because it is understandably better to be on the safe side, and also because there would be some criticism from conservative groups if the government were "encouraging oral sex". However, my summary above seems to be the case according to the scientific literature.

As for other diseases, they are in principle easier to get, but here (like with AIDS as well), in practice there is no risk if the girl doesn't have them. Prostitutes in Germany have to have regular check-ups, by the way. However, other STDs can be treated quite easily with penicillin etc, especially if noticed early. So, the biggest danger might be explaining it to your wife! (AIDS is actually quite hard to get; what is bad about it is that it is difficult to treat.)

Despite early warnings, AIDS is STILL essentially confined to the traditional high-risk groups. (AIDS can be spread sexually and prostitutes have a lot of sex, but probably most prostitutes with AIDS are drug users who got it from needles. So, if the girl doesn't use drugs, she's probably not any more likely than you to get AIDS.)

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the [u]Safe Sex[/u] topic in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

[QUOTE=Svenfkk]<snip> Prostitutes in Germany have to have regular check-ups, by the way. <snip>[/QUOTE] No they don't. It is a common misunderstanding. Mandatory checks for prostitutes in Germany were abolished in 2001.

Yes my comment "very low risk practice" was for other STDs, not HIV.

There is a small risk to get for example Gonorrhea, but this can of course be easily treated with antibiotics.

Oral sex seems to be extremely low risk when it comes to HIV, there is mostly various theoretical risks involved.

I've been gnawed at too often to think BJs are a treat.

Most women don't know how to minimize contact with their teeth and it can be quite painful if not done correctly.

Overly toothy BJs can cause little cuts and tears in the skin.

This is one more benefit to minimizing BJ time and focusing on the main event: the traditional [i]rein raus[/i].

It needs to be bigger cuts than that, besides still no risk to you since you only come in contact with saliva.

I agree that BJs done with teeth are not very pleasant, but it's not most women who do it that way? You must have been unlucky.

Sanftes natur blasen is my favourite, I like it better than rein raus ;)

[QUOTE=F Nature]It needs to be bigger cuts than that, besides still no risk to you since you only come in contact with saliva.

I agree that BJs done with teeth are not very pleasant, but it's not most women who do it that way? You must have been unlucky.

Sanftes natur blasen is my favourite, I like it better than rein raus ;)[/QUOTE]
.. and most of them aren't done properly. Most women don't know they need to get their teeth out of the way.

We were having a discussion on another forum about BJs and one of the guys wrote to say that he's never had a bad one. A vast majority of the BJs I've experienced are bad so I replied that he's just not had enough experience.

A crazy Czech woman at Heavensgate even bit me once a couple of years ago. She was fooling around. It was painful.

Teeth are used to chew food including meat and they are usually quite sharp.

So if you ever read a report I write about someone who does a BJ properly you can be very sure she was very good and very careful about getting her teeth out of the way.

Most guys write reports complaining about too much [i]Handeinsatz[/i]. I'm more concerned with [i]Zahneinsatz[/i].

[quote=jackyo].. and most of them aren't done properly. most women don't know they need to get their teeth out of the way.

we were having a discussion on another forum about bjs and one of the guys wrote to say that he's never had a bad one. a vast majority of the bjs i've experienced are bad so i replied that he's just not had enough experience.

a crazy czech woman at heavensgate even bit me once a couple of years ago. she was fooling around. it was painful.

teeth are used to chew food including meat and they are usually quite sharp.

so if you ever read a report i write about someone who does a bj properly you can be very sure she was very good and very careful about getting her teeth out of the way.

most guys write reports complaining about too much [i]handeinsatz[/i]. i'm more concerned with [i]zahneinsatz[/i].[/quote]


oh i have had some bad bj's in my day.

and i have had some mind bending bj's.

i believe that the secret to a good bj (same as the secret to a man giving a woman good head) is that the woman is really into giving the bj. and many women are not so into giving bj's ime.

teeth can be used but it is a true bj artist who knows when and how to use them.

one of my best ever bj's was delivered by a street hooker way back when i first started this hobby. back in those days a bbbj was unheard of from a street hooker. with this girl she just went down and started doing her thing, as far as i knew with no condom. i was in heaven and she worked on me for a good 20 mins. until i emptied into her mouth and she seemed to swallow the load, tidy her make up and jump out of the car.

it wasn't until i got home and went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] that i suddenly realized that she had slipped a condom on with her mouth and i had never even known.

she was a true bj artist and a rare find.

Hi,

Plan to go for the first time to Artemis---my very first FKK---for a visit sometime in the next two weeks. Await my report here.

I have a question. I like foreplay before the act--esp. Kissing, sucking and caressing breasts, and kissing and licking the inner thighs before DATY. Is this an extra or is it with the service?

Cheers,

Roger

Hi,

I am a first timer and I will go to Artemis in the next couple of weeks.

Have been lurking and I promise a detailed report.

I have a couple of questions

Once you take a girl to the room, can one have a bit of foreplay--sucking and kissing breasts, long licks before DATY you know the normal stuff that one does with a beautiful woman?

Or should one negotiate extras for these?

[QUOTE=Rogerpaul]Hi,

Plan to go for the first time to Artemis---my very first FKK---for a visit sometime in the next two weeks. Await my report here.

I have a question. I like foreplay before the act--esp. Kissing, sucking and caressing breasts, and kissing and licking the inner thighs before DATY. Is this an extra or is it with the service?

Cheers,

Roger[/QUOTE]
... services. No extra charges involved.

[QUOTE=Rogerpaul]Hi,

I am a first timer and I will go to Artemis in the next couple of weeks.

Have been lurking and I promise a detailed report.

I have a couple of questions

Once you take a girl to the room, can one have a bit of foreplay--sucking and kissing breasts, long licks before DATY you know the normal stuff that one does with a beautiful woman?

Or should one negotiate extras for these?[/QUOTE]

At Artemis - make sure you ask what services are on offer.

I visited Artemis for 3 days (35 hours in the club) in August 2008 and found that many girls did not kiss. At Golden Time in NRW and Oase in Hessen I never even think to ask since kissing was a standard service. For some reason the girls at Artemis, although stunning seem reluctant to offer kissing as a service at all. The ladies gave many reason, but I will not mention names of which said what. Some said it is too intimate or that they had a boyfriend or a husband and did not do it out of respect.

BBBJ, DATY and fondling all over were okay but some girls did not let you do DATY very long. I felt it was very processor environment - 10-15 minute sessions.

If kissing is offered then it is inclusive of the €60 for 30 minutes session. The kissing seemed to be a quick few pecks and if DFK - just for a minute before moving onto the next stage of their programme and not going back to the DFK since that service had already been performed.

Some kissing was very light touch or just lips or only the out stretched tongue and that was it.

I do not have these issues at Oase or GT.

Interestingly COB seemed to be inclusive in €60 price compared to Oase and GT where I find COB service considered an extra at €50 and €25 respectively. So suffice to say I filled my boots wih COB finishes instead of paying €50 for the CIM finishes that I relish in GT and Oase.

COB inclusive prices for a standard session is only one reason to return to Artemis in Berlin.

Berlin is a big city and I ate lots of lightly spiced pommes frites with curry wurst. Also for some reason the city is swamped with Dunkin Donut shops. Must be a Kennedy thing with those Berliner jam donuts.

Chaos,

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Rogerpaul]Hi,

I am a first timer and I will go to Artemis in the next couple of weeks.

Have been lurking and I promise a detailed report.

I have a couple of questions

Once you take a girl to the room, can one have a bit of foreplay--sucking and kissing breasts, long licks before DATY you know the normal stuff that one does with a beautiful woman?

Or should one negotiate extras for these?[/QUOTE]Hi,

Like Rogerpaul I am a lurker that will be making my first visit to the FKKS (World, Oase, Palace) in Hessen in the next few weeks.

First thanks for all the reports and advice and insight into what to expect when I get into an FFK. I feel like I am ready for anything, even a shark attack. Of course, when a hand reaches under my towel and grabs my cock anything could happen.

There is one part of the routine I am still curious about. This is the period between sessions. How long does one take for recovery time? How to relax and other activities? Can you interact with the girls? Anything else?

Thanks for the help

Beach Runner

[QUOTE=Beach Runner]There is one part of the routine I am still curious about. This is the period between sessions. How long does one take for recovery time? How to relax and other activities? Can you interact with the girls? Anything else? [/QUOTE]
Recovery time is an individual thing. How long does it take you to get it up again? I can't answer that question.

If you practice "sperm management" as one of our esteemed colleagues has described, you decide with whom and how often you come so you can spread your sessions out. If you don't practice "sperm management", your cycle time will depend on you. As I've described before, I've learned to fake it sometimes just to be able to save it for later. I've also sometimes told her pointblank that I'm on a [i]Spermasparplan[/i].

Actitivies to pass the time: eating, sleeping, drinking, saunieren, swimming (if there is a pool), whirlpool dipping, reading, TV watching. How do you spend your time when you are just hanging out at home?

You can interact with the girls, the staff and the other guests. Just be careful about physical contact with the girls or monopolizing her time as it may be misconstrued as your committing to her but it is an essential part of testing for chemistry that you have some kind of conversation with her anyway.

Conversations with the staff and other guests are not misconstrued. It also depends on the club. Some clubs are conducive to just hanging out and shooting the breeze. At others the guests keep to themselves and seem to be ashamed to be there.

Routard has described the athmosphere at Cocoon as similar to being at a funeral, for example. Some clubs are [i]Gemuetlich[/i], others less so.

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]At Artemis - make sure you ask what services are on offer.

I visited Artemis for 3 days (35 hours in the club) in August 2008 and found that many girls did not kiss. At Golden Time in NRW and Oase in Hessen I never even think to ask since kissing was a standard service. For some reason the girls at Artemis, although stunning seem reluctant to offer kissing as a service at all. The ladies gave many reason, but I will not mention names of which said what. Some said it is too intimate or that they had a boyfriend or a husband and did not do it out of respect.

BBBJ, DATY and fondling all over were okay but some girls did not let you do DATY very long. I felt it was very processor environment - 10-15 minute sessions.

If kissing is offered then it is inclusive of the €60 for 30 minutes session. The kissing seemed to be a quick few pecks and if DFK - just for a minute before moving onto the next stage of their programme and not going back to the DFK since that service had already been performed.

Some kissing was very light touch or just lips or only the out stretched tongue and that was it.

I do not have these issues at Oase or GT.

Interestingly COB seemed to be inclusive in €60 price compared to Oase and GT where I find COB service considered an extra at €50 and €25 respectively. So suffice to say I filled my boots wih COB finishes instead of paying €50 for the CIM finishes that I relish in GT and Oase.

COB inclusive prices for a standard session is only one reason to return to Artemis in Berlin.

Berlin is a big city and I ate lots of lightly spiced pommes frites with curry wurst. Also for some reason the city is swamped with Dunkin Donut shops. Must be a Kennedy thing with those Berliner jam donuts.

Chaos,

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]

Yep, went to Oase once, had GFE first time out, made eye contact and when I was ready I called her over, she was happy to do so. We talked, we went into the Kino, she went down on me for 10-15 mins, I went down on her, she said it was time to go to a room after about 20 or so minutes of foreplay.

Was with her about an hour, maybe a bit longer. She claimed to have a BF but had no problem kissing me or DATY.

In certain FKK's I think its safe to say if your a nice guy at heart and fairly attractive, there is no such thing as YMMV, its a "Sure Thing".

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] In certain FKK's I think its safe to say if your ... fairly attractive, there is no such thing as YMMV, its a "Sure Thing".[/QUOTE]

Hi DJ FourMoney

Thanks for the confidence booster. I guess I hit every branch of the ugly tree when I fell off it since your point about "fairly attractive" is not one of my attributes.

Vielen Danke.

I guess this is why most of the girls at Artemis did not offer me kissing as part of the service.

Kein problem. I guess I will not be back in a hurry as I am already booked out to NRW and Hessen for the rest of the year. I seem to get kissing in all my sessions with girls (even with unknown quantities) in Golden Time and Oase without even asking like I tended to in Artemis.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

This is to simply copy over Londonbasketcase's Best of the Best List from the Oase thread.

[quote=Londonbasketcase]My order of German club preference from most favoured to lesser favoured as at September 2008 is:

1) FKK Oase (Hessen) - my A list girls that do all the dirty things I like. It rare that I have a bad session here. My spiritual home in Deutschland.

2) Golden Time (Nord Rhein Westfalen) - expansive variety and reasonable pricing, always have a warm welcome here from all thekenfraus and the friendly local ijsberen.

3) FKK Palace (Hessen) - conveniently located, decent food for a FKK and the best kino layout in my experience.

4) FKK Artemis (Brandenburg) very pricey club but nice facilities, I found a bit of all my NRW and Hessen A list girls here in other girls.

5) Villa Vertigo (Nord Rhein Westfalen) but has lost the edge now due to no kino, but saves itself with the food and nice ambiance. A nice club to go for a rest.

6) FKK World (Hessen) - wins on facilities merit.

7) Yin Yang (Nederland) - plays some of the best music on the circuit but Golden Time could beat it with its uplifting trance and hard house music, but the Yin Yang difference is that girls dance to the music and love it when you join in - no pressure for a session.

8) Planet Happy Garden (Nord Rhein Westfalen) - quiet, friendly, good food, a nice place to rest.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase[/quote]

Q: I am a newbie. Which club would you recommend me?

A: Sure we can recommend you a club, but for this to be meaningful there is a lot more information about YOU that we need.
- Are you going alone?
- How much money and time are you willing to spend?
- Are you newbie wrt paysex or just FKK?
- How old are you? Race? Beauty?
and perhaps most important
- How assertive are you?

In short: It is more about you as a person than the club!

[QUOTE=Everhard]Q: I am a newbie. Which club would you recommend me?

A: Sure we can recommend you a club, but for this to be meaningful there is a lot more information about YOU that we need.
- Are you going alone?
- How much money and time are you willing to spend?
- Are you newbie wrt paysex or just FKK?
- How old are you? Race? Beauty?
and perhaps most important
- How assertive are you?

In short: It is more about you as a person than the club![/QUOTE]
I'll integrate it in the next version I do of the FAQ. Thanks, dude!

Theme: Extras for dressing up and other alternative requests

I was at a club recently and was lying in the kino with a pretty blond German babe after doing her good German friend that day and having done this particular blond German girl 2 weeks before. It was so nice lying on a couch with a tall, blue eyed, near naked blond girl.

She noticed a dark haired man about late twenties come into the Kino and my German girl smiled at him and waved at him. The guy sheepishly did not notice her.

My German girl then turns to me and said that man had asked her to go to the room with him. She said fine and took him to a room. The man had a bag and opened the bag and showed it to the German girl. In the bag was a pair of jeans and a normal girl's top like you see a normal girl in the street to wear.

The man asked if the German girl could put the jeans and top on before their session so he could undress her. The girl was pretty much naked anywhere bar some panty looking waist wrap.

The German girl said she would, but this is extra and said "what do you pay me?" The German girl had in mind say €5 or €10 as a tip for fulfilling his male fantasy of picking up a normal girl in a club and having sex with her immediately.

The man said that no extras, just the normal €50 price.

I did not press the German girl whether she went ahead, but I suspect she did since business is business and she could also describe the jeans and top to me as to what I thought. I guess the guy did not have good taste and wanted the clothes back. I was more surprised that she fitted the clothes but the German girl said he had bought medium so most girls would fit them.

Anyway, the German girl called the man cheap.

I have heard now of late mainly from German girls that €50 for a normal service is not much for what they do. Upsells seem to be more prevalent now than say a couple of years ago where girls can earn some extra income from a single session.

My question which may not be a frequently asked one is: Would one expect to pay extra for dressing up by a girl in a sauna club or FKK? The girls are naked or near naked already. On dessous tag the girls are in bikinis or lingeries but this is not the same as say nurses outfits, air hostess, school girls or plain sexy girl next door looking dress up which I think this man wanted.

I also know that arse play on a man such as rimming can be extra but then I hear certain girls do that as part of the normal price. YMMV as they say.

Also finger in girl's vagina or in her arse may be extra as seen in the Palace thread earlier this year.

Then there is the come on body (COB) scenario where some girls charge extra €50 or €25 fir this finish but some girls do not. Of course it seems accepted that Come on Face (COF) is definitely a €50 or €25 extra depending on the club as it messes the girl's make up and she has to spend time cleaning herself up.

I know there is no correct answer to all of this as this is a people business and exceptions abound but there must be experiences on what is possible or the normal practice.

I am more interested in whether a dress is a legitimate extra that needs paying for.

I have a thing for sexy school girls and have had the odd conversation if any girls had school girl outfits that they would wear. Most did not have any outfits except for their waist wraps or dessous tag gear so it never got that far as to whether an extra cost would be involved.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Theme: Extras for dressing up and other alternative requests

My German girl then turns to me and said that man had asked her to go to the room with him. She said fine and took him to a room. The man had a bag and opened the bag and showed it to the German girl. In the bag was a pair of jeans and a normal girl's top like you see a normal girl in the street to wear.

The man asked if the German girl could put the jeans and top on before their session so he could undress her. The girl was pretty much naked anywhere bar some panty looking waist wrap.

The German girl said she would, but this is extra and said "what do you pay me?" The German girl had in mind say €5 or €10 as a tip for fulfilling his male fantasy of picking up a normal girl in a club and having sex with her immediately.

The man said that no extras, just the normal €50 price.

Anyway, the German girl called the man cheap.

I have heard now of late mainly from German girls that €50 for a normal service is not much for what they do. Upsells seem to be more prevalent now than say a couple of years ago where girls can earn some extra income from a single session.

My question which may not be a frequently asked one is: Would one expect to pay extra for dressing up by a girl in a sauna club or FKK? The girls are naked or near naked already. On dessous tag the girls are in bikinis or lingeries but this is not the same as say nurses outfits, air hostess, school girls or plain sexy girl next door looking dress up which I think this man wanted.

I have a thing for sexy school girls and have had the odd conversation if any girls had school girl outfits that they would wear. Most did not have any outfits except for their waist wraps or dessous tag gear so it never got that far as to whether an extra cost would be involved.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]
Wassup LBC,

I concur with the German babe, the man was a little cheap. I think a 10 E tip would have been fair, but a session is a session & getting dressed then undressed means less sucking & fucking the woman has to do.

Before people start pulling their hair, I do not tip.

As a horny, war mongering, alpha male American, 50 E is a great deal for the service & quality of woman @ the FKK's/Sauna Clubs & etc. Even with the US dollar as worthless as it currently is, averaging 6-9 sessions a day or spending 3-5 hours with a ATF is well worth it. Since it is illegal here (not including a few counties in Nevada), to most Americans 50 E is an offer you can't refuse!

If you really have a school girl fetish, buy a costume then bring it with you to Germany. If you ever plan on visiting Japan, there are dozens of places that offer it.

... and come to my hotel room in a North American city which I will not name, I have to admit that I have a thing for taking a chick's street clothes off of her.

There is something about it which is kind of like opening a present to reveal what she looks like inside all of that packaging.

During those sessions, my hotel room looks like a movie scene where the camera follows a trail of his clothes and her clothes into a bedroom.

It could also be a function of seeing too much porn where the women don't take all of their clothes off, particularly their shoes.

The more femininely she is dressed, the more interesting it is. I'm not into the jeans and sweatshirt look. She has to have a dress on with all of the underwear accessories, stockings and heels.

Would I pay extra for this in Germany? I don't know. I've not gone so far as to take women's clothes into an FKK club to ask an already nude woman to put clothes on.

I am wary of women at FKK clubs who won't take their shoes off though. I have had sessions where their motivation for not doing so was so that they could get up quickly to make the bed and then leave the room.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]
The more femininely she is dressed, the more interesting it is. I'm not into the jeans and sweatshirt look. She has to have a dress on with all of the underwear accessories, stockings and heels.

I am wary of women at FKK clubs who won't take their shoes off though. I have had sessions where their motivation for not doing so was so that they could get up quickly to make the bed and then leave the room.[/QUOTE]

I must admit, there is nothing like making out with a hot babe & slowly removing her clothes (nice dress with the same accessories). When the clock is ticking, I prefer to have them naked & ready for action! Depends on the girl, but I ask them to keep their shoes on during sex. High heels (not the stripper fuck me pumps) on pair of long sexy legs, priceless!

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I must admit, there is nothing like making out with a hot babe & slowly removing her clothes (nice dress with the same accessories). When the clock is ticking, I prefer to have them naked & ready for action! Depends on the girl, but I ask them to keep their shoes on during sex. High heels (not the stripper fuck me pumps) on pair of long sexy legs, priceless![/QUOTE]

Hi Vito Corleone,

I get so horny when I am making out with a girl wearing a short skirt and thong underwear. My hands will be wandering and fondling her arse and putting my hands down in pants. It feels like you were in High School again with your teenaged lover.

It is that thrill of the unwrapping sometimes that makes it that extra bit special when she is all made up and you are ruining it all with undressing her.

I know that I avoid dessous tags at FKKs since for me the reason that they are FKKs is because the ladies are naked. Then again there is the times when I just cannot get enough of a well dressed girl in a tiny skirt or form fitting dress and being able to fondle her through her clothes and take it off.

I know when I attend the odd massage parlour where the ladies dress in white nurse style uniforms that I sometimes ask her to keep the nurse/masseur's outfit on while we session. Its the sight of a girl with her dress hitched up or all her dresses buttons undone exposing herself but somehow still clothed in an uniform that does it for me.

I know when I do privates where I have a lady for the evening or overnight that I like her to dress up in various lingerie or outfits in between going out to the movies, to the fun fair, to the shopping mall or going to the hotel/my house.

I guess if I want my uniform fix that I should do it in UK as there seems to more ladies that actually cater for this required taste. If you go to UK brothels there are usually options for various uniforms as extras for a session. Not my usual haunts mine but it is a place where you can have a nurse dress up or an air hostess or even the school girl.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

I've been answering questions from newbies about creating itineraries in NRW and public transportation in NRW since forever.

It seems like I do nothing but reinvent the wheel each time anyone asks about what is available in Bonn, Koeln, Duesseldorf, Duisburg, Essen, Oberhausen, Dortmund, etc.. Next time anyone asks, I'll simply point them to this post.

IMHO, NRW is ground zero for this activity. As to when I am getting my check from the NRW tourist bureau, that I don't know.

[post]790328[/post]: NRW
[post]788104[/post]: NRW
[post]771898[/post]: Duesseldorf
[post]769420[/post]: Public transport
[post]755375[/post]: Public transport to Goldentime
[post]747111[/post]: Public transport
[post]740519[/post]: Public transport
[post]735922[/post]: Duesseldorf and Oberhausen
[post]734583[/post]: Oberhausen
[post]732399[/post]: Koeln and Duesseldorf
[post]725480[/post]:
[post]724724[/post]: Koeln and Duesseldorf
[post]696046[/post]: From Paris
[post]693791[/post]: Karneval in Koeln
[post]693637[/post]: Duesseldorf and Koeln
[post]693152[/post]: NRW and Golden Triangle
[post]688882[/post]: Dortmund
[post]678877[/post]: Bonn
[post]656402[/post]: From Eindhoven
[post]650475[/post]: Duesseldorf and Koeln, Living Room
[post]649521[/post]: Duesseldorf
[post]622086[/post]: Public transport
[post]610957[/post]: Duesseldorf and Koeln
[post]598695[/post]: Duesseldorf RLD
[post]592885[/post]: Duesseldorf
[post]581390[/post]: Babylon

The views expressed are, of course, my own. Some of the older posts may not be totally accurate. As the Germans say: [i]Diese Angaben sind ohne Gewaehr[/i].

I have a similar post under the PT forum for those interested in that activity.

Hi,

Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever.

I promise a detailed report.

By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.

Hope to hear from you guys!

[QUOTE=Rogerpaul]Hi,

Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever.

I promise a detailed report.

By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.

Hope to hear from you guys![/QUOTE]


I always bring my own condoms. Most ladies allow you to use yours, but a few will refuse. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[QUOTE=Akibono]I always bring my own condoms. Most ladies allow you to use yours, but a few will refuse. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.[/QUOTE]

Theme: Where do you store your own condoms?

Hi Akibono,

Out of interest, when you are dressed in just a towel, where do you store your own condoms? In a fold of the towel like the Romans did with their togas? Or do you wear a robe that has pockets? Or do you ask the lady to wait while you go either to your clothes locker or to your valuables locker to collect the condoms?

I am just working out the logistics here and the robe seems the best option but I prefer wearing a towel since it can be cooler and you can receive more skin to skin contact from an inviting girl when she is up close with just a towel around the waist in the contact rooms.

Best regards

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Rogerpaul]Hi,
Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever.
I promise a detailed report.
By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.
Hope to hear from you guys![/QUOTE]

Yep, there's no problem with using your own condom. I take my own and have only ever been refused twice - once by a girl who used an 'extra safe' brand (great, thick condoms :() and once by a girl who uses a specific brand as she is allergic to particular brands. I've had no problems in GT, PHG, Samya and Artemis. Just make sure you don't open the condom before hand and ask the girl and there shouldn't be any problems.

As for storing the condoms they can either go in the pocket of the dressing gown or when you have asked the girl to go to the room, when she goes and gets the key you can head off to the locker to get the condom.

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]Theme: Where do you store your own condoms?

Hi Akibono,

Out of interest, when you are dressed in just a towel, where do you store your own condoms? In a fold of the towel like the Romans did with their togas? Or do you wear a robe that has pockets? Or do you ask the lady to wait while you go either to your clothes locker or to your valuables locker to collect the condoms?

I am just working out the logistics here and the robe seems the best option but I prefer wearing a towel since it can be cooler and you can receive more skin to skin contact from an inviting girl when she is up close with just a towel around the waist in the contact rooms.

Best regards

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]


I wear a robe, but a condom will easily fit in your hand.

LBC,

I also use my own condoms because I like the Durex Ultima. I also try to take a litle of my favorite lube, it is Pur. It just makes things go "smoother". If I use a robe, it is easy to put the items in the pocket, but with a towel, I just roll the condom in the waist band when I roll the towel over to keep it closed. So far no turndowns on the condoms. A couple have balked, but I just tell them I am allergic to latex, and that seems to calm them down. Afterwards, almost all of them have commented on how much better they think the poly condems "feel". I do as well, better heat transfer and none of that latex "aroma". The only downside is the are about 2 euro per.

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I prefer wearing a towel since it can be cooler and you can receive more skin to skin contact from an inviting girl when she is up close with just a towel around the waist in the contact rooms.[/QUOTE]

Dito. Wearing a bathrobe and running around like an icebear, sweating and looking like in a sanitarium is moren than uncool.

HB

Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)

All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)


All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I didn't notice any slowing in the "activities" in fkks and clubs I usually go to.

It may be that the crisis will have an impact but honestly I have no idea which kind of impact.

Moreover it's too early to have any hint about it.

Italy 1974

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)

All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

NOPE! Still doing the same thing. And the crowds seem still to be equal in size as well. So this indicates that there is still disposable income among those who invest in pussy instead of junk bonds.

[QUOTE=Euro100]NOPE! Still doing the same thing. And the crowds seem still to be equal in size as well. So this indicates that there is still disposable income among those who invest in pussy instead of junk bonds.[/QUOTE]
Though nobody has figured out a way to trade Collateralized Pussy Obligations (CPOs) yet its an international and unregulated market with a huge demand.

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.[/QUOTE]
Just recently, after a week of FKK debauchery, and defaulted payments to an assorted cast of nubile creditors, I was all tapped out, so I called my Congressman and asked for a bailout. He promised to add me to the pork barrel, but I haven't received my $700B yet. LOL

Has anyone figured out how much pussy, $700B could buy?

Actually, a number of people in the biz that I have spoken to over the last couple of months have complained of a drop-off in business, including some of the high income people that you refer to who were willing to pay for the high class escorts. In Germany, I have heard that it is particularly the lower economic scale of the sex business, in places like partytreffs, that have been hit hard, and even some higher end FKK's are feeling the slow times, especially on low peak times like early in the week and towards the end of the month.

But the sex business is very resilient, after all it's weathered a few economic storms in the past, providing a much desired commodity to needy, horny customers, seeking some relief from the economic turmoil around them. Like all things in the global economy, the effects of the downturn in investments and business activity will eventually be felt on this scene as well. We'll see some club closures for sure and consolidation in over subscribed areas, as survival of the fittest takes over. Business travellers like myself will need to cut back on non-essential international travel, but in the FKK world we are not the main course anyway, just the whipped cream on the top.

There are some mixed benefits to all of this. We may see some isolated price reductions and more creative pricing schemes to draw in reluctant customers. Many of the large international conventions and conferences held in recent months have had significantly lowered participation as companies are cutting their marketing and travel budgets and this will ease the crowds at those clubs which draw on the messe visitors like Palace, Oase, Artemis and the Cologne area clubs.

Significant changes like this in the global economy also generally force new workers to industries that are lower down on the business scale so we may even begin to see some laid off female stockbrokers, plying their wares to keep themselves in Manulo Blancs. At the same time, some of the less successful plyers of this trade, who came into it to try and profit from the less-discerning low hanging fruit, may be forced out of the work pool and back to E. Europe and CIS, as the demand curve softens.

Change is usually good. But it 's really too soon to tell, how this scenario will work out. So, go and enjoy, and make sure to tell us all about your experiences.

... before we see female financial services types start to reevaluate their career options and cross the thresholds of our favorite clubs!

I can't wait! :)

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Has anyone figured out how much pussy, $700B could buy?

There are some mixed benefits to all of this. We may see some isolated price reductions and more creative pricing schemes to draw in reluctant customers. Many of the large international conventions and conferences held in recent months have had significantly lowered participation as companies are cutting their marketing and travel budgets and this will ease the crowds at those clubs which draw on the messe visitors like Palace, Oase, Artemis and the Cologne area clubs.[/QUOTE]
But I wonder how much discounting we will see, or how quickly prices will adjust?
Sex is a personal service industry, and someone who has been selling herself for $400 per hour is not likely to move quickly to a business model where she is doing the same stuff for $200 per hour, and if she does, will she ever be content? We see this in pick-up bars all the time - girls sticking to a high-price structure, even at 3:00 AM, then going home alone, having zero income for the evening.

My point is that we may not benefit quickly from price elasticity in service providers. However, as new girls enter the market with the new reality price structure, we should be able to find happiness at a more reasonable price, and the old, over-priced hookers will be left sitting on their bar stools wondering who is going to pay for their new shoes...

[QUOTE]Significant changes like this in the global economy also generally force new workers to industries that are lower down on the business scale so we may even begin to see some laid off female stockbrokers, plying their wares to keep themselves in Manulo Blancs.[/QUOTE]
It will be interesting to see if that happens, will they be able to embrace the right service attitude. If they were snotty to guys in bars when they were working on the floor, will they be a better GFE when working in bed?

The price elasticity works a bit different in this business. A girl will not drop her price easily at the same venue as before, but they are quite quick to move to venues that have more traffic although lower price. See it all the time.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]... before we see female financial services types start to reevaluate their career options and cross the thresholds of our favorite clubs!

I can't wait! :)[/QUOTE]

I have already been with German girls that used to work in real estate in the FKK clubs making some money as they are out of work sicne thei agency closed or their services were no longer required. I do remember one yummy brunette from Koln, Germany do a great GFE session. I felt like her long lost boyfriend.

I have yet to meet any German financial services types just yet.

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)

All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks![/QUOTE]
I am also happy the the euro is falling! Money is not an issue. Time is. I just wish I had more time or live closer to Germany.

I would be going to Germany every weekend too if I lived as close to FKK land as LBC!

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]I have already been with German girls that used to work in real estate in the FKK clubs making some money as they are out of work sicne thei agency closed or their services were no longer required. I do remember one yummy brunette from Koln, Germany do a great GFE session. I felt like her long lost boyfriend.

I have yet to meet any German financial services types just yet.

Londonbasketcase[/QUOTE]


The only problem with that, I bet the level of service is very unsatisfactory....no DFK, only CBJ, etc.

We will see...the financial markets are awful, will get worse before it gets better.

Hi there,

I am planning my first trip to Frankfurt and am likely to visit Oase.

Is Thursday still the 'dessous' day where the girls wear lingerie, or has that changed?

I really prefer girls wearing something so would want to go on that day, I also read somewhere that a sauna club is exactly the same as an FKK except the girls are always in lingerie. Are there any recommended sauna clubs in frankfurt? I tried looking on here but not had much luck.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jack Ryan1]Hi there,

I am planning my first trip to Frankfurt and am likely to visit Oase.

Is Thursday still the 'dessous' day where the girls wear lingerie, or has that changed?

I really prefer girls wearing something so would want to go on that day, I also read somewhere that a sauna club is exactly the same as an FKK except the girls are always in lingerie. Are there any recommended sauna clubs in frankfurt? I tried looking on here but not had much luck.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Definitely, I was there in Oase last Thursday and unfortunately, it was still the "dessous tag". Me, quite the contrary, I prefer naked woman instead of woman in lingerie but I had that only one night (Thursday night) in Frankfurt so I did it on a dessous tag. If you are into lingerie, Palace has also a dessous tag (on Wednesdays), you may check there too.

Theme: Service standards from financial services types

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis] The only problem with that, I bet the level of service is very unsatisfactory [from financial services background girls]....no DFK, only CBJ, etc.[/QUOTE]

If there are girls with financial services backgrounds now working the FKKs to make ends meet after losing their jobs and they fail to meet the club style of providing DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc... then they can expect to in economic terms to be providing less of a deal than other girls who do more for the same €50. These girls are not providing the minimum level of service and lose any competitive advantage that they may have being new and fresh to the club. They have to be very good looking to be able to snare the business since attractive looks does provide a competitive advantage and some punters will discount the lesser service for the chance to bang a pretty model. We have seen reports from customers to have admitted to such. Even I have done so I admit as well.

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]We will see...the financial markets are awful, will get worse before it gets better. [/QUOTE]

Your guess is as good as mine. I can only hope for a V shaped economic situation as opposed to a prolonged painful experience of the Japanese in the 1990s. Speaking to an economist at a sauna club we discussed how in 2007 we never thought that the credit crisis would be deep and this long with still no ready end in sight. It goes to show that even some experts do not have any more insight than you or I.

In the FKK clubs you do meet some really interesting types, dentists on conference (likely story), transport planners (we discussed German road design compared to road design and road furniture in the English speaking world), telecommunication engineers (lots of them in London attend the strip club scene due to the location of their offices), MBA students escaping for the weekend from their studies, business men en route to another destination, sales people, sex tourists and messe visitors.

There is diversity in the girls that work in the clubs but there is also marked diversity in the customers as well. Ordinary men who want to sample a bit of men's Disneyland in Germany.

The FKK and saunaclubs is a clean, legal, safe environment. I hope with all my heart that they still continue and attract further business in terms of customers and girls.

I have discussed this with a fellow Briton that when we are in the clubs, all our Earthly worries lift from our shoulders. A wonderful feeling to have.

My best to everyone,

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Jack Ryan1] Is Thursday still the 'dessous' day where the girls wear lingerie, or has that changed? [/QUOTE]

Ja, Donnerstag ist Dessous Tag in FKK Oase. Although from reports some girls pay lip service to the concept of Dessous so you may enjoy a few girls in near naked state in any case.

FKK Palace has its Dessous Tag on Mittwoch and Straps Tag on Montag meaning that the girls wear socks or stockings.

FKK World has its Dessous Tag on Dienstag.

Even in the sauna clubs of Nord Rhein Westfalen and particularly Golden Time you will have girls working the contact rooms topless and wearing just a a tiny G string. For me this is a nice look.

I do not usually get out to the FKKs and saunaclubs during the usual working week so do not get to visit during Dessous Tag to my relief, but if all the girls were dressed up as sexy nurses or naughty adult aged and sized school girls then that will be incentive for me to make the effort.

[QUOTE=Jack Ryan1] I really prefer girls wearing something so would want to go on that day, I also read somewhere that a sauna club is exactly the same as an FKK except the girls are always in lingerie. Are there any recommended sauna clubs in frankfurt? I tried looking on here but not had much luck.
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Ja, in the sauna clubs the girls generally are in lingerie or bikinis whereas a FKK by its name means that the visitors including the men are in various states of nakedness.

For me, sauna clubs are more associated with the Golden Triangle area of Nord Rhein Westfalen. These would be Golden Time, Villa Vertigo, Planet Happy Garden, Atrium, Living Room in Germany and in the Netherlands there is Yin Yang, Bada Bing, Sans Souci and the sole Dutch FKK of ZaZen.

There are more learned writers than I who know the Frankfurt sauna club scene but as far as the more popularly reported on clubs in this forum that have their own thread there are none.

In any case in the FKKs you will find that many girls where some jewellry, carry a hand bag, wear high heels and war a towel around themselves or a waist sash of some sort. Is that lingerie enough for you?

With kind regards,

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=Rogerpaul]Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever. I promise a detailed report. By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.[/QUOTE]

Hi Rogerpaul,

Did you manage to get Dagmar and Olga that you went with at Artemis let you use your own condoms?

Out of interest what is the thin brand that you love?

If I ever remember to bring my own condoms I would be using standard durex brand featherlite.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Please can you tell me in there is a FKK Club in Munchen if yes be nice to give me the name and maybe the link thanks a lot

Thanks for the help folks.

I'm really into stockings so looks like a visit to Palace on a Monday is in order.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Londonbasketcase]
They have to be very good looking to be able to snare the business since attractive looks does provide a competitive advantage and some punters will discount the lesser service for the chance to bang a pretty model. We have seen reports from customers to have admitted to such. Even I have done so I admit as well.
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Whenever I visit any club, I will try a hot looking model even if she provides average service. If they have a really bad rep, then I would think about it. If the do not give bbbj, then forget about it! BBBJ is one of the reasons it would be worth trying a pretty model.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy]Please can you tell me in there is a FKK Club in Munchen if yes be nice to give me the name and maybe the link thanks a lot[/QUOTE]
Its easy. It works.

The clubs south of the [i]Weisswurstaequator[/i] are not up to the same standards in Hessen and NRW. This has been said several times.

You might try Sudfass Oase in Pasing. Not read good things about it though.

The consensus is that when in Muenchen, travel to Augsburg (d.h. leave Muenchen) and visit ColA (Colosseum in Augsburg).

How exactly is Dessous pronounced?

Is it "Dess-oo", as in Francais?

Or "Dess-aows", like the 'aus' sound in Deutsch?

[QUOTE=Gergiev]How exactly is Dessous pronounced?

Is it "Dess-oo", as in Francais?

Or "Dess-aows", like the 'aus' sound in Deutsch?[/QUOTE]
And it means underwear.

As to why they won't use [i]Unterwaesche[/i], I can understand. It just doesn't have that [i]Je ne sais quoi[/i].

[QUOTE=Jackyo]And it means underwear.

As to why they won't use [i]Unterwaesche[/i], I can understand. It just doesn't have that [i]Je ne sais quoi[/i].[/QUOTE]Yes, sometimes I do wonder how our German friends struggle with all that Buestenhalter, Schluepfer & Strumpfhose !

Such a damned hard language to undress in ;-)

No wonder they 'import' words like Dessous, Niveau & Charme etc into the language...now I understand why Charles V spoke Italian to his women and German to his horse ;-)

So I presume the pronunciation is "Dess-oo".....or "Dess-oos" even ???

Just to add an interesting question for the day...

Has anyone, the the heat of passion with a girl at an FKK - ever engaged in sex without condom, i.e. bareback (regular or anal?).

Not that I would want to as risk is high - but I understand it happens time to time at Partytreff clubs and just wanted to ask a curious question in respect to FKK.

Thanks all!

Hi All-

With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? I doubt it, but looking at this history it is falling rapidly and some are projecting they could see levels pre-2000, where I believe it was ,90 per USD.

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]Hi All-

With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? I doubt it, but looking at this history it is falling rapidly and some are projecting they could see levels pre-2000, where I believe it was ,90 per USD.[/QUOTE]
If you've read my article on FKK club price inflation over the past ten years, my conclusion is that inflation has been just about zero.

[post]773255[/post]

As to whether the clubs and the women will react to the exchange rate, my guess is it will have no effect. If it were to have an effect, it would be on the clubs with strong tourist traffic. Historically though exchange rates have gone up and down and pricing has not been affected.

[QUOTE=Gergiev]Yes, sometimes I do wonder how our German friends struggle with all that Buestenhalter, Schluepfer & Strumpfhose !

Such a damned hard language to undress in ;-)

No wonder they 'import' words like Dessous, Niveau & Charme etc into the language...now I understand why Charles V spoke Italian to his women and German to his horse ;-)

So I presume the pronunciation is "Dess-oo".....or "Dess-oos" even ???[/QUOTE]
Germans do tend to use French words for certain things. It always cracks me up.

[i]Engagement[/i], for example, pronounced with French pronounciation I find particularly funny.

Then instead of saying [i]Buergersteig[/i] they say [i]Trottoir[/i].

[i]Dessous[/i] would be pronounced as it would be in France, with the last "s" being silent.

Yes, undressing a woman in German is challenging particularly if she wears the entire range of [i]Dessous[/i]!

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]Just to add an interesting question for the day...

Has anyone, the the heat of passion with a girl at an FKK - ever engaged in sex without condom, i.e. bareback (regular or anal?).

Not that I would want to as risk is high - but I understand it happens time to time at Partytreff clubs and just wanted to ask a curious question in respect to FKK.

Thanks all![/QUOTE]
I've not done it intentionally but I've broken condoms and even lost them (We went on a fishing expedition trying to find it inside her once. One second I was slipping and sliding away normally, the next second the sensation of her wrapping around me was unbelievable intense. And no wonder.)

Bareback activity at PTs takes place only when it is specifically advertised as being a bareback event. Usually it is when specific pornstars (Barbara Devil comes to mind) make an appearance.

I've not indulged at this activity but I've been told that it is available anywhere. You just need to ask.

Bareback most defiantly happens. I’ve had a first hand account from two separate service providers that preferred and almost demanded to have bareback after many repeat visits.

The first girl would get so wet from pussy rubbing me that she would just start putting me in her bareback. Each visit would start with full bareback and then about halfway through the service she would wrap the condom on for the finish inside her.

The second girl was a little bit different. At first, the sex was always with a condom. After many months seeing her, she decided on one visit to rip the condom off halfway through sex and let me cum inside her. This continued for quite a while until at some point we lost touch.

I see neither girl now. This happened a few years ago.

So, I can say it doesn’t matter on the club (the girls worked at different clubs) but on the girl providing the service. I can’t see a girl offering it on a first visit. I feel it takes multiple visits until the girl feels comfortable enough to let everything go.

Note: I never asked either girl that I wanted to have bareback sex with them. There’s just a point in the pseudo-relationship that it just happens sometimes.

You have to be completely out of your mind to do bareback with a prostitute, you have no idea what kind of people she has had sex with and how many, if you want to play Russian roulette with your life, its your choice, if it were me I would be cautious.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Germans do tend to use French words for certain things.[/QUOTE]NaturFranzoesisch anybody?

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]Hi All-

With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? [/QUOTE]No. The dollar/euro rate has little relevance. My prediction is that sadly quite a few FKKs are going to go out of business in the next two years as the recession bites. Too many new ones jumping on the bandwaggon the last few months, and few with a good concept. I may be wrong, but price rises are unlikely in my judgement.

[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? I doubt it, but looking at this history it is falling rapidly and some are projecting they could see levels pre-2000, where I believe it was ,90 per USD.[/QUOTE]

Why should they? We have experienced exchange rates from 0,86 to 1,56 US-$ per EUR - and prices have been stable for the girls at 50 EUR/30 min (even falling after conversion to the EURO, as it was 100 DM = 51,x EUR before).

Entrance has been between 50 and 75 EUR, depending on the state and location.

HB

I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?

[QUOTE=American Tourist]I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]

Okay, so you are right to be suspicous. I have been around the block a few times and will give you my thoughts.

These girls are people just like the rest of us. they have the the same desires, wants and needs.

If they gave you their number, they want to see you again, the answer is why?

1) Ultimately these ladies would like someone to marry them and take care of them (like all women). if you are reasonably young, treated tehm nice and have some money or a reasonable job and they like you, you fit the profile. Just like any women wants a man.

2) They want a steady customer.


I have been to the FKKS many times and have gotten only a few emails. They always respond. One really just wanted a steady customer and seemed to like me (she was a German). Another (Romanian) also liked me and wanted some help getting a US visa but was able to do it on her own after all.

So, they probably just like you either as a potential boyfriend or a regular customer.

The asian p4ps are generally looking for someone to send them money.

EB

[QUOTE=American Tourist]I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]
Some clubs have strict rules about the girls making contact outside of the club, [i]das heisst[/i], she may lose her job if you were ever found out.

Some other veterans on this forum have had direct experience with this.

[QUOTE=American Tourist]I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]
You are in some serious trouble. You broke the FKK silent code of conduct. As you know, the Hells Angels are located everywhere especially in the US. You might be sleeping with the fishes soon. Another rookie making a potentially fatal mistake.










Just kidding. She just wants to exchange protein & like others have said want a regular customer.

[QUOTE=American Tourist]I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]

My take is that she just wants you as a regular customer and for you to stay in contact.

If she starts contacting you on when you are next visiting then you will know for sure.

If you use her number to contact her for a date and she refuses or avoids the question then you will know the score. If she accepts the date then do not tell anyone about it and enjoy youself.

Londonbasketcase

[/quote]Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]

Why you worry. She is just trying to be friendly with you. May be it will lead you to free dates.
Think what worst can happen..............just enjoy good company

[QUOTE=American Tourist]
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Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.
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So is getting a personal cel number common?
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I think yes because I have more than one cell numbers from the ladies.

[QUOTE=American Tourist]
I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.
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May be you were nice with them ? may be you respected them ? ... etc ...
Personnally, one lady told me that she could feel that from a man at a beginning of a meeting.
May be your conversation with her was not just limited in "do you practise CIM, fist, anal, uro ... etc ... ?"


[QUOTE=American Tourist]
What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]
If I understand well, her cell phone is in yours (and not your cell phone is in hers) ?
Personnally, often the ladies give me their cell numbers just because they don't work everyday at the "house" and so I can call them to check their presence or to make an appointment.

Thanks guys this info is indeed helpful.

Conclusions:

1) It isn't totally uncommon to get a girls contact number

2) It could be business or pleasure very difficult to tell.

3) Keep it on the down-low as it may impact her job.

With that in mind I won't say any club names or anything for fear of somebody figuring it out. She did want my cel number I didn't give it to her as I couldn't remember my number so she programmed hers in mine.

Thanks for the help in trying to figure this all out (it all seems odd to me) this was like the 3rd or 4th time I had been to this club. I remembered seeing her in passing last time, didn't talk to her. But this time she asked about one of the girls I was with the last time by name. She also strongly suggested that I go back to the hotel after we were finished. At first I ignored her and went to the sauna, she brought me a drink in there. Then went to shower and she came down and again suggested that I leave. I did and that was how we left it. Odd that a girl would be insistent that I actually leave.

Again is this common?

[QUOTE=American Tourist]
1) It isn't totally uncommon to get a girls contact number

2) It could be business or pleasure very difficult to tell.

3) Keep it on the down-low as it may impact her job.

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Yes, it is a commonplace occurrence and yes, keep the club and her name to yourself.

IMHO- It is not difficult to discern if it's business or pleasure- There's a 99% chance that it is business. She may give you the impression that she's really into you, but if it ever develops in the future, it will come out as a business transaction.

The 1% chance that it's for pleasure would happen because;
A) She fell head over heels in love with you from the fleeting moments spent in your company
B) You said something about your personal status that made her believe that she would have a supported future with you
C) You were so amazingly charming and or gorgeous and or fun to be with that she wants to be your GF for awhile.

I don't know you or what happened between the 2 of you. Decide for yourself.

[QUOTE=American Tourist] She also strongly suggested that I go back to the hotel after we were finished. At first I ignored her and went to the sauna, she brought me a drink in there. Then went to shower and she came down and again suggested that I leave. I did and that was how we left it. Odd that a girl would be insistent that I actually leave.

Again is this common?[/QUOTE]

American Tourist

It might be that your FKK girlfriend has become protective and thoughtful of your well being. Sometimes girls say to guys that it maybe best to go back to their hotel rooms or homes if they are sleeping in the club (and not fucking) and taking up room. I mean the quote of "this is not sleep club this is a fuck club" reverberates. She may have noted you were tired or anxious or whatever and a good nights rest so you could be ready the next day for more fucking creating her suggestion that you leave and rest up. It could be any combination of explanations.

Alternatively, she might want to be hoping to keep your euros to herself since by sending you home you will not be spending any more on other girls and have some saved for her for next time - wishful thinking but who knows how some people think.

Maybe there was something going down and she did not want you to be around. This is only guess work. You will have to ask her.

Now that you mention it I expect there will be a few others interested in the answer too as to me also it is not a common comment to come from a girl to a punter apart from when the guy is obviously very tired and really could do with a proper sleep (and not in the club).

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

[QUOTE=American Tourist]Thanks guys this info is indeed helpful.

Conclusions:

1) It isn't totally uncommon to get a girls contact number

2) It could be business or pleasure very difficult to tell.

3) Keep it on the down-low as it may impact her job.

With that in mind I won't say any club names or anything for fear of somebody figuring it out. She did want my cel number I didn't give it to her as I couldn't remember my number so she programmed hers in mine.

Thanks for the help in trying to figure this all out (it all seems odd to me) this was like the 3rd or 4th time I had been to this club. I remembered seeing her in passing last time, didn't talk to her. But this time she asked about one of the girls I was with the last time by name. She also strongly suggested that I go back to the hotel after we were finished. At first I ignored her and went to the sauna, she brought me a drink in there. Then went to shower and she came down and again suggested that I leave. I did and that was how we left it. Odd that a girl would be insistent that I actually leave.

Again is this common?[/QUOTE]
Some of these women have a "boyfriend" or "husband" standing in the wings. In other words, there is someone who has a financial interest in her activities.

The whole theme of [i]Zwangsprostitution[/i] has been adequately discussed here. It is real and it exists.

I'd be concerned about some thug of Balkan/Baltic/Black Sea origins in the background somewhere.

Since you guys are still interested.

-- No I wasn't tired or falling asleep at the club at all.

-- Yes I was nice and respectful to her as I am to all of them.

-- Yes she did ask me what I did for a living, how old am I, am I married. Most of them don't. I'm decent looking and not too old but not the youngest or the best looking guy there (unless it is a slow night).

-- I found it odd that she observed who I was with on one visit and on the next (almost 3 weeks later) made a reference in mentioning that girl by name There are a decent amount of girls in this club it was not a lucky guess. I know these girls talk but that's a little extreme.

-- No I don't believe she is head over heels for me. She was nice to me, more so than any of the others have been. Bringing me a drink to the sauna, checking up on me. I won't go into specifics but there was something going on at the club which would've cost me a lot of money that wasn't worth it and she warned me off of it. It kind of seemed like she was watching out for me a little. Maybe I'm such a newbie that she felt sorry for me, but I don't think so, I seem to get by okay.

Mixed messages here. One guy says "call her what is the worst that can happen". Another says she may be trafficed and you'd have a problem with some huge Baltic husband or pimp.

[QUOTE=American Tourist]Since you guys are still interested.

-- No I wasn't tired or falling asleep at the club at all.

-- Yes I was nice and respectful to her as I am to all of them.

-- Yes she did ask me what I did for a living, how old am I, am I married. Most of them don't. I'm decent looking and not too old but not the youngest or the best looking guy there (unless it is a slow night).

-- I found it odd that she observed who I was with on one visit and on the next (almost 3 weeks later) made a reference in mentioning that girl by name There are a decent amount of girls in this club it was not a lucky guess. I know these girls talk but that's a little extreme.

-- No I don't believe she is head over heels for me. She was nice to me, more so than any of the others have been. Bringing me a drink to the sauna, checking up on me. I won't go into specifics but there was something going on at the club which would've cost me a lot of money that wasn't worth it and she warned me off of it. It kind of seemed like she was watching out for me a little. Maybe I'm such a newbie that she felt sorry for me, but I don't think so, I seem to get by okay.

Mixed messages here. One guy says "call her what is the worst that can happen". Another says she may be trafficed and you'd have a problem with some huge Baltic husband or pimp.[/QUOTE]
The only reason I mention the possible "friend with a financial interest standing in the background" is so that you aren't caught off guard.

Some of these women are, indeed, working on their own account. With a chick like that you would be fine.

I would probe to find out a) where she is from, b) how long she has been with the club, c) what her marital status is. If she is some EE chick just off the bus/train/plane and she speaks no German, shows signs of being coerced, etc.. then be a little more wary.

See this earlier post of mine about this topic with links to site so you can find out more:

[post]514869[/post]

In my 30 or so years of mongering I have had a half a dozen or so working girls who ended up giving me their phone number. In my experience it almost always ends badly.

I have had a couple of street girls, call girls, strippers and most recently an apartment girl here in Berlin agree to take the relationship outside the realm of pay for play. In the case of the apartment girl in Berlin she gave me all the signals and made all the moves until I asked for and got her number. From then on it was all mixed signals and confusion until just gave up, let it go. It is all too easy to forget that these girls are relatively young (relative to me at least;-) and sometimes they are very immature when it comes to actually relating in an adult manner, i.e. being clear about what you want and what you are willing to do.

Anyway, I just mention this to let you know that you may be stepping into quicksand when you contact a girl you meet in an FKK and try to see her outside this environment.

That being said, I would probably do it all over again in exactly the same way the next time. It can be a heady experience and it somehow strokes the ego when one of these girls tries to get close in this way. The only thing I would do different, or at least try to, is not to take it so damn seriously.

I think that you will find that there is telegraph running in most clubs that clocks which guests go with which girls. There is an unspoken rule that returning guests are first picks by the girls they went with before unless the guest expresses, usually over the evening several times, that he is no longer interested in repeating. It keeps the system of 'regulars' running for the girls.

Not every girl knows this or abides with it. Many do. Most guests don't realise it, unless they know the score. Keeps things tidy for the club and the girls and cat fights down a level. This breaks down somewhat in very busy clubs ar at Messe times.

Have been amazed that a girl will remember a guest even after a year or more or be told that 'you went with Ms. X (correctly), a rare number of times they don't. Having a long tongue and know how to use it sometimes jogs or keeps you in the girls' memory banks.

The girls who develop regulars often provide them with their 'work' mobile numbers so that they can inform the girls if they will be in that day/night and arrange a time slot before coming to work or during if the girls can access their phones in the changing rooms. The girls who are not too interested and standing/siting at the bar or elsewhere can be waiting for the entry of a prearranged date with a regular and so not too concerned about 1/2 hour since the regular may very well have booked them for several hours that night. The lady may very well thought you were worthy of elevation to 'regular' status, or indeed may have been interested in continuing after the club in your hotel.




[QUOTE=American Tourist]
-- I found it odd that she observed who I was with on one visit and on the next (almost 3 weeks later) made a reference in mentioning that girl by name There are a decent amount of girls in this club it was not a lucky guess. I know these girls talk but that's a little extreme.

[/QUOTE]

I plan to return to Bernd's next week and have a room reserved at the Hotel Reuter. Can anyone answer a these questions?

Is internet access available? If so, is wireless?

Are credit cards accepted?

Can I expect access to my room after midnight without waking someone?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Hi everyone,

For my first FKK experience, which club would you recommend? I'm torn between Artemis, World and palace. I'm thinking the last 2 might be a good visit during the summer time, Artemis has good enough quality, size, close to downtown but entry price is a bit higher (80), I'm kind of leaning towards artemis, but I don't want to jump into this, without asking you guys first.

[QUOTE=Tuxsmasher]Hi everyone,

For my first FKK experience, which club would you recommend? I'm torn between Artemis, World and palace. I'm thinking the last 2 might be a good visit during the summer time, Artemis has good enough quality, size, close to downtown but entry price is a bit higher (80), I'm kind of leaning towards artemis, but I don't want to jump into this, without asking you guys first.[/QUOTE]
You will have a great time @ either World or Palace. You might want consider Oase too. Never been to Artemis, but have heard good things.

[QUOTE=Traveldoc99]I plan to return to Bernd's next week and have a room reserved at the Hotel Reuter. Can anyone answer a these questions?

Is internet access available? If so, is wireless?

Are credit cards accepted?

Can I expect access to my room after midnight without waking someone?

Thanks in advance for your help.[/QUOTE]
Reuter is a [i]Familienbetrieb[/i]. Small, cozy but bare bones.

I've never asked but I'd be surprised if they accept credit cards.

If you are spending most of the time at Bernds you can request that the hotel deliver your hotel key to the club. That way you can get in late at night.

Or drop by before you go to Bernds and Herr Reuter will give you the key.

I've used credit cards to pay when I checked out. Is paying with cash an option?

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Reuter is a [i]Familienbetrieb[/i]. Small, cozy but bare bones.

I've never asked but I'd be surprised if they accept credit cards.

If you are spending most of the time at Bernds you can request that the hotel deliver your hotel key to the club. That way you can get in late at night.

Or drop by before you go to Bernds and Herr Reuter will give you the key.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Monger Man]I've used credit cards to pay when I checked out. Is paying with cash an option?[/QUOTE]
... anyone turn down cash anywhere.

So Herr Reuter accepts credit cards! I didn't know that.

Are we talking Mastercard, Visa and American Express or is this the EC card (which we on this side of the pond don't have)?

[QUOTE=Tuxsmasher]Hi everyone,

For my first FKK experience, which club would you recommend? I'm torn between Artemis, World and palace. I'm thinking the last 2 might be a good visit during the summer time, Artemis has good enough quality, size, close to downtown but entry price is a bit higher (80), I'm kind of leaning towards artemis, but I don't want to jump into this, without asking you guys first.[/QUOTE]
Go check out all of the Hessen 3 and Artemis.

Most guys who go seem to like those clubs.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]
So Herr Reuter accepts credit cards! I didn't know that.

Are we talking Mastercard, Visa and American Express or is this the EC card (which we on this side of the pond don't have)?[/QUOTE]

Visa is the only one I can verify. The other names that you mentioned I cannot vouch for.

It s my first time in Frankfurt. Before, I was many times in Artemis in Berlin, I like it very much, quite good selection, all the prices and conditions are clear and fixed. Looking for the same club in Frankfurt, could you advise me some.

[QUOTE=Moscow City]It s my first time in Frankfurt. Before, I was many times in Artemis in Berlin, I like it very much, quite good selection, all the prices and conditions are clear and fixed. Looking for the same club in Frankfurt, could you advise me some.[/QUOTE]
If you click on the first page of the FKK forum, the names of the large Hessen clubs stare you right in the face.

Look up the threads with the most posts.

[QUOTE=Moscow City]It s my first time in Frankfurt. Before, I was many times in Artemis in Berlin, I like it very much, quite good selection, all the prices and conditions are clear and fixed. Looking for the same club in Frankfurt, could you advise me some.[/QUOTE]

If you liked Artemis, you will probably enjoy Palace. Opinions vary wildly on Palace. Read the forum and make up your own mind whether you want to try it.

Other FRA clubs with a good selection include Oase and World. Both are outside of Frankfurt proper and are best reached by car, but it is possible to reach them by train and cab or walking as well.

Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.

Quick answers to your questions:

1.you can put you money and valuables into a locker from where you can pick them up whne needed.

2.Yes.

Regards,

Italy 1974

[QUOTE=Chchpunter]Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chchpunter]Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.[/QUOTE]Read the various threads. You are given a key to a locker for your clothes and to a second, smaller locker where you keep your wallet. After a session, you return to the smaller locker with the lady and pay her. Condoms are supplied. You can use a private room, or in some cases, in the kino. Research on the various FKK's will eventually yield results.

Most of the clubs only provide a locker for clothes. This is where you normally keep your wallet. The only clubs that I recall having the smaller locker for valuables are Palace and Oase. There are probably others.

[QUOTE=Myrmidon]Read the various threads. You are given a key to a locker for your clothes and to a second, smaller locker where you keep your wallet. After a session, you return to the smaller locker with the lady and pay her. Condoms are supplied. You can use a private room, or in some cases, in the kino. Research on the various FKK's will eventually yield results.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chchpunter]Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.[/QUOTE]
I wrap a towel over my jeans & walk around. Keeps me warm during winter. I keep my money in the right pocket & my condoms in the left.

Also, do not forget to tip the women. The locals are ecstatic when they see the tourists support the women with generous tips.

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]
Also, do not forget to tip the women. The locals are ecstatic when they see the tourists support the women with generous tips.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of tips :o ...what about the support staff? Sitting long hours @ the bar, etc., does anyone ever tip the bar staff, say a euro or two for quick, good service? What about the staff that clean the rooms? (Does anyone ever wipe down the furniture in the kino? :eek: Yeech!) It's just that the bar staff can make your visit more comfortable with good service.

Also your generosity could be noted by the ladies. That could be good [B][U]or[/B][/U] bad.

It will label you as a tipper (sucker) for the sharks, (Remember: [B]you[/B] can always [U]Just Say No[/U] to them and their demands - demonstrate for all to see that YOU are in control!) but it will show that you are not a tight wad (Limited to just 50 euro sessions) to the others, (who may not be sharks, but let's face it, they are there to make money too!). (Still up to You to use your shark repellant) Of course you never cash tip the ladies: tip via extended session, added extra or return visit only!

OK, any serious comments? Should I grab my flame retardant suit?

[QUOTE=Myrmidon]Speaking of tips :o ...what about the support staff? Sitting long hours @ the bar, etc., does anyone ever tip the bar staff, say a euro or two for quick, good service? What about the staff that clean the rooms? (Does anyone ever wipe down the furniture in the kino? :eek: Yeech!) It's just that the bar staff can make your visit more comfortable with good service[/QUOTE] It would probably be appreciated, but if you are gonna do it, make it a minimum of at least 5 or 10 euros. I think it is better to skip it than to give 1 or 2 euros to the staff which might be interpreted as an insult. If you do it, be descrete about it. Btw, I have never seen it done, but I am sure someone has in the past.

[QUOTE=Henio]It would probably be appreciated, but if you are gonna do it, make it a minimum of at least 5 or 10 euros. [/QUOTE]When I check out, I always leave € 5.- at the reception desk for the personnel piggy bank. It's always been appreciated, at least by a friendly smile.

X_U

On my first couple of FKK visits, I made the "mistake" of tipping.

Now I still occasionally tip, but only if the service was good and the lady spent the whole session with me even if I came e.g. 20 minutes into a 30-minute session or 40 minutes into a 1-hour session.

If the service was otherwise excellent, but she cuts the session short, the unused time should be considered as a replacement for tipping.

[QUOTE=Masayama]On my first couple of FKK visits, I made the "mistake" of tipping.

Now I still occasionally tip, but only if the service was good and the lady spent the whole session with me even if I came e.g. 20 minutes into a 30-minute session or 40 minutes into a 1-hour session.

If the service was otherwise excellent, but she cuts the session short, the unused time should be considered as a replacement for tipping.[/QUOTE]

Tipping is not expected. In Germany, tipping for things like taxis and service at meals is done by rounding up. For example, a 9,30E cab fare you would round up to 10E. Kind of hard to round up 50E. That said, I have rounded up 75E to 80E when I don't have exact change and the girl is exceptional.

I would never tip other club staff as I don't see anything they are doing as exceptional service.

Seriously, if you want to reward the girl and incent good behavior, reward her with extended time, repeat sessions or indulge in a legitimate extra.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Tipping is not expected.[/QUOTE]
There's a big difference between tipping for service that was better than expected, and the the ridiculous US custom of always tipping 15%.

[QUOTE]Seriously, if you want to reward the girl and incent good behavior, reward her with extended time, repeat sessions or indulge in a legitimate extra.[/QUOTE]
At typically 25 to 50 Euro, those options cost much more than e.g. a 10 Euro tip. When I know that she deserves a tip, the time is usually nearly up, so "extras" are really not an option in the same session. Besides, there aren't that many extras that I'm into, especially when BBBJ and DATY are included. Extending a session when I've already come is neither much point to me, except maybe with a massage when the extension only costs 25 Euro.

Repeat sessions may sometimes be an option, but sometimes it's too late (too tired or time to leave), or I'd like to sample some of the other girls. In some cases, a girl I've found worthy of tipping has been in so high demand that I've been unable to find her for another session later that night.

But my main point was actually that tipping, whether it's in form of cash, extra time or "extras", should not be the norm, but a reward when the service is better than normal.

[QUOTE=Henio]It would probably be appreciated, but if you are gonna do it, make it a minimum of at least 5 or 10 euros. I think it is better to skip it than to give 1 or 2 euros to the staff which might be interpreted as an insult. If you do it, be descrete about it. Btw, I have never seen it done, but I am sure someone has in the past.[/QUOTE]

A few times I picked up some Belgian bonbons or some other items and hand these to bar and reception staff as thanks for doing a good job. I learnt this practice off an American crew member.

I know several of the bar staff at GT always remember what I like to drink. Further, I like to think several of the reception and security staff recall me and allow me in each time I visit whether alone or with a group.

Sometimes there will be a few bonbons for the girls. These are appreciated I think as well. Convenient when passing through an airport that does a nice selection or when I have some forethought when in my homeland to go to a specialty chocolatier to pick a few items up.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]A few times I picked up some Belgian bonbons or some other items and hand these to bar and reception staff as thanks for doing a good job. I learnt this practice off an American crew member.

I know several of the bar staff at GT always remember what I like to drink. Further, I like to think several of the reception and security staff recall me and allow me in each time I visit whether alone or with a group.

[B]Sometimes there will be a few bonbons for the girls.[/B] [U]These are appreciated[/U] I think as well. Convenient when passing through an airport that does a nice selection or when I have some forethought when in my homeland to go to a specialty chocolatier to pick a few items up.[/QUOTE]

Who told you I was thinking of bringing some maple sugar? Last time I was in-country I brought liquid maple sugar that the locals drank like a liqueur! Nothing like a little sweets for the sweet.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Tipping is not expected. In Germany, tipping for things like taxis and service at meals is done by rounding up. For example, a 9,30E cab fare you would round up to 10E. Kind of hard to round up 50E. That said, I have rounded up 75E to 80E when I don't have exact change and the girl is exceptional.

I would never tip other club staff as I don't see anything they are doing as exceptional service.

Seriously, if you want to reward the girl and incent good behavior, reward her with extended time, repeat sessions or indulge in a legitimate extra.[/QUOTE]

I thought it interesting to post the following:

I was just reading a report by a German guest about his latest visit to Oase. His report was posted on the German board Lustscout earlier today. In this post I came across this juicy tidbit:

"Ich überreichte ihr am Wertfach die 100 € plus Tip. Da die Zeit schon sehr weit fortgeschritten war fuhr ich heim."

Sounds like more than just tourists are visiting these clubs and tipping! I thought it was funny that some guys claim Germans never tip, but clearly sometimes even the locals do...!

Ortos

[QUOTE=Ortos]I thought it interesting to post the following:

I was just reading a report by a German guest about his latest visit to Oase. His report was posted on the German board Lustscout earlier today. In this post I came across this juicy tidbit:

"Ich überreichte ihr am Wertfach die 100 € plus Tip. Da die Zeit schon sehr weit fortgeschritten war fuhr ich heim."

Sounds like more than just tourists are visiting these clubs and tipping! I thought it was funny that some guys claim Germans never tip, but clearly sometimes even the locals do...!

Ortos[/QUOTE]

Yep, I was careful in how I worded my response as Germans do tips in some situations (restaurants, bars, taxis, etc.). I never stated Germans never tip, because they clearly do in some situations. By US standards, the amounts that Germans tip is rather modest in comparison.

I would counsel guys coming from the North America, please do not tip as you would at home (15-20%) to every girl. We already have a bit of a stereotype as being easy marks. If you receive exceptional service and want to, feel free to give the girl an extra 5-10 Euro. I've only tipped when the woman and the session was exceptional and it was a situation where I simply rounded up (no change from 80E for a 75E session). The women would rather have longer sessions, extras (legitimate) or your repeat business than a few extra Euro tip. Don't feel guilty or pressured into tipping.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Yep, I was careful in how I worded my response as Germans do tips in some situations (restaurants, bars, taxis, etc.). I never stated Germans never tip, because they clearly do in some situations. By US standards, the amounts that Germans tip is rather modest in comparison.

I would counsel guys coming from the North America, please do not tip as you would at home (15-20%) to every girl. We already have a bit of a stereotype as being easy marks. If you receive exceptional service and want to, feel free to give the girl an extra 5-10 Euro. I've only tipped when the woman and the session was exceptional and it was a situation where I simply rounded up (no change from 80E for a 75E session). The women would rather have longer sessions, extras (legitimate) or your repeat business than a few extra Euro tip. Don't feel guilty or pressured into tipping.[/QUOTE]

German don't tip as a matter of social policy. Rounding up is more for convenience. In many countries tips are considered demeaning because it connotates a master-servant relationship.

However, it is not uncommon for the best girls to receive "gifts" from their regulars around Christmas or a girl's birthday.

There are two problems with tipping. First, you spoil the girl. Second, you create an arms race. Don't think you will get special favors simply because you tip. If a girl likes you and you treat them well, you will be treated as someone special. A big tipper is merely viewed as as fool or easy mark. Some people use tips to show status. It's like the athletes who order expensive bottles of Champage at strip clubs or who throw money around in the VIP lounge. It accomplishes nothing--except a temporary boost to some people's ego.

Clubs are just a place to enjoy sex. It is a place where men can put away their competitive instincts and bond. As much as some men fantasize about a "relationship," this experience is transient. There are always new women, some hotter than the rest, and even the prettiest ones eventually grow old.

Ortos - well spotted. Fact - some workers find that significant tips are common, especially from german guests.
Of course, regardless of that we concur in the general advice of Ekliges and Akibono and others -DON'T tip but DO pay for longer or additional sessions. This helps create a good service ethos and a more relaxed atmosphere in which sharks do not flourish

[QUOTE=Ortos]I thought it interesting to post the following:

I was just reading a report by a German guest about his latest visit to Oase. His report was posted on the German board Lustscout earlier today. In this post I came across this juicy tidbit:

"Ich überreichte ihr am Wertfach die 100 € plus Tip. Da die Zeit schon sehr weit fortgeschritten war fuhr ich heim."

Sounds like more than just tourists are visiting these clubs and tipping! I thought it was funny that some guys claim Germans never tip, but clearly sometimes even the locals do...!

Ortos[/QUOTE]

There is no such thing as the "average German", just as there is no such thing as the average American (or whatever countries we are from). Not all locals are created equal; some watch their money, some want to impress with throwing it around. The general rule is that tips are not expected, because the service charge (and tax, too, btw) are all included in the final price for anything and everything. Rounding up in the way that Ekliges Lauern (I have to laugh every time I type in that user name) describes is generally the way to go for a generous person in Germany.

Bottom line: the "100+tip" that you spotted, Ortos, is completely possible, but it is still not the norm. In a way it reminds me of another curious behavior that I see in some young German males, who buy relatively cheap cars, and then dress them up to the hilt, by putting wide tires and racing paint and altered exhaust pipes and the like on them. If you really want to impress with a car, buying the Porsche works better in the first place. If one really wants to impress in FKK-land, then go for a longer session, instead of giving a 10 or 20 euro "tip".

euro

Hi

I have just a couple of questions as a newcomer, I'm finally getting around to arranging my first trip to a sauna club / FKK and would appreciate a little bit of advice.

Firstly, I am headed to the Dusseldorf area, I have 3 places in mind, which would people say would be the best for someone totally new to this.

1) GoldenTime
2) Living Room
3) Villa Vertigo

I would be visiting during the week. I am leaning towards GoldenTime from what I am reading on here although the wait for rooms concerns me, is this only a problem in the evening, or during the day aswell?

Also I notice that most of the places open at 11am, is it unusual to be there just after 11am or would it be better to go later in the afternoon? Would there be any girls there from the beginning?

Cheers :)

Hello,

Somebody could help me?

I´m planning to travel to Berlin and I´d like to know where to find women who offer finsting anal (my hand into their asses).

Thank you for your help.

Fernando

Hello,

I'm planning to travel to Berlin and I'm interested in women who offer fisting anal (my hand into their asses).

Somebody could help me with this information

Hello,

I´m planning to travel to Berlin and I´d like to find women who offer fisting anal (my han intro her ass).

Sombody could help me?

[QUOTE=Jack Ryan1]Hi

I have just a couple of questions as a newcomer, I'm finally getting around to arranging my first trip to a sauna club / FKK and would appreciate a little bit of advice.

Firstly, I am headed to the Dusseldorf area, I have 3 places in mind, which would people say would be the best for someone totally new to this.

1) GoldenTime
2) Living Room
3) Villa Vertigo

I would be visiting during the week. I am leaning towards GoldenTime from what I am reading on here although the wait for rooms concerns me, is this only a problem in the evening, or during the day aswell?

Also I notice that most of the places open at 11am, is it unusual to be there just after 11am or would it be better to go later in the afternoon? Would there be any girls there from the beginning?

Cheers :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Penvagano]Hello,

I´m planning to travel to Berlin and I´d like to find women who offer fisting anal (my han intro her ass).

Sombody could help me?[/QUOTE]

First of all I would suggest that you post in the Berlin thread so that more people see you post. Here it will not be seen-just happened across it myself as I rarely check this thread (hey, I'm bored tonight).

As your request and interest requires a lady with a fairly specific skill set I suggest that you may have to visit one of the Berlin S&M studios. And as I am not into this area of sexual fulfillment (S&M that is) I am not sure if I personally can be of much help except in very general ways.

Have a look here

[url]http://www.rotlichtadresse.de/[/url]

You will find, I think, a section with S&M studios.

I am sorry to say that I think your request will be hard to fill-a bit of stretch, so to speak Sorry-could not resist that one). You will pretty easily find a lady willing to fist fuck you. The other way around will be more difficult and she may be a larger type lady, for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=Jack Ryan1]Firstly, I am headed to the Dusseldorf area, I have 3 places in mind, which would people say would be the best for someone totally new to this.

1) GoldenTime
2) Living Room
3) Villa Vertigo

I would be visiting during the week. I am leaning towards GoldenTime from what I am reading on here although the wait for rooms concerns me, is this only a problem in the evening, or during the day aswell?[/QUOTE]

Every club has its plusses and minuses. What is important to you? Visual quality of the lineup? Number of girls? Quality of service? Is public sex (or at least Kino sex or outdoor sex) important to you? Do you like a relaxed, mellow vibe or more of a rave party? Easier to answer if we know a little about what you like.

[QUOTE=Jack Ryan1]Also I notice that most of the places open at 11am, is it unusual to be there just after 11am or would it be better to go later in the afternoon? Would there be any girls there from the beginning?

Cheers :)[/QUOTE]

I've seen guys line up to get in at GT at opening. Coverage is light (there are girls that sleep in the club and are usually available at opening time). Most guys have breakfast and a coffee or two before picking a girl to go to the room with.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern] I've seen guys line up to get in at GT at opening. Coverage is light (there are girls that sleep in the club and are usually available at opening time). Most guys have breakfast and a coffee or two before picking a girl to go to the room with.[/QUOTE]

You can sometimes see me lining up at opening time but due to flight timetable changes I can longer make 11am opening at the NRW clubs since flights now arrive in the mid afternoon so I do not get to the club until a bit later.

Always a danger of not being allowed in since the club is "voll" or full when arriving around 4pm or so. Some girls even said that to me - make sure you avoid peak times or else the thekefrau may not let you in.

Chaos,

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Every club has its plusses and minuses. What is important to you? Visual quality of the lineup? Number of girls? Quality of service? Is public sex (or at least Kino sex or outdoor sex) important to you? Do you like a relaxed, mellow vibe or more of a rave party? Easier to answer if we know a little about what you like.

I've seen guys line up to get in at GT at opening. Coverage is light (there are girls that sleep in the club and are usually available at opening time). Most guys have breakfast and a coffee or two before picking a girl to go to the room with.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the replies, to answer the questions, the visual quality, number of girls and service are important to me.

I am not that interested in the public sex, (not sure how I would 'perform'). I'd prefer a more relaxed experience to a rave style party.

I am planning on arriving between 11 and 12 in the morning so hopefully that shouldn't be a problem in terms of the places being full. Its either going to be a Wednesday or Thursday that I go.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jack Ryan1]Thanks for the replies, to answer the questions, the visual quality, number of girls and service are important to me.

I am not that interested in the public sex, (not sure how I would 'perform'). I'd prefer a more relaxed experience to a rave style party.

I am planning on arriving between 11 and 12 in the morning so hopefully that shouldn't be a problem in terms of the places being full. Its either going to be a Wednesday or Thursday that I go.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

GT

Be aware that if you are African, Middle Eastern or from the Southern Asian, VV is a safer choice.

I just have a small question, as I have never been on a FKK where the drinks costs money (alcoholic beverages) I dont know how you pay if you would like a beer or something. Do you get the money from your locker and pay at the bar or do you keep a tab?

[QUOTE=John Moore]I just have a small question, as I have never been on a FKK where the drinks costs money (alcoholic beverages) I dont know how you pay if you would like a beer or something. Do you get the money from your locker and pay at the bar or do you keep a tab?[/QUOTE]

John Moore,

Others may correct me but this is what I know:

Golden Time - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is also a help your self beer fridges open to all. Just help your self.

Living Room - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50.

Villa Vertigo - beer and wine inclusive in entrance price of €50. You get the beer and wine from the bartenders.

Planet Happy Garden - beer (bottles) and wines are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is a bar area call the Nacht cafe where you help yourself to the fridge or go to the manned bar.

World - there is one type of beer free in your entrance price of €65. The bar here works on a prepaid cardboard ticket system. You buy the prepaid cardboard ticket from the reception and the bar staff clip your card when you buy your drinks.

Oase - all alcoholic beverages is extra over an above your €65 entrance fee. If you want beer, spirits or champagne you pay for it at reception and receive a plastic token that you redeem from the bar.

Palace - I am not sure but I think only champagne is served and is not included in your €75 entrance. You pay at Reception and a girl delivers it to you.

I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]John Moore,

Others may correct me but this is what I know:

Golden Time - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is also a help your self beer fridges open to all. Just help your self.

Living Room - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50.

Villa Vertigo - beer and wine inclusive in entrance price of €50. You get the beer and wine from the bartenders.

Planet Happy Garden - beer (bottles) and wines are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is a bar area call the Nacht cafe where you help yourself to the fridge or go to the manned bar.

World - there is one type of beer free in your entrance price of €65. The bar here works on a prepaid cardboard ticket system. You buy the prepaid cardboard ticket from the reception and the bar staff clip your card when you buy your drinks.

Oase - all alcoholic beverages is extra over an above your €65 entrance fee. If you want beer, spirits or champagne you pay for it at reception and receive a plastic token that you redeem from the bar.

Palace - I am not sure but I think only champagne is served and is not included in your €75 entrance. You pay at Reception and a girl delivers it to you.

I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks Basketcase. Didn't see the help yourself beer-thingy at GT last year though maybe is something new or I just missed it.

If anyone have more info about Palace i'd be very grateful. Do like an occasional beer.

Samya Cologne.

Bottles of Beer are free. They have around 6 different types. There are two fridges on the ground floor and two more on the second floor.

You just help yourself.

Other alcholic drinks are available but you have to pay. Not sure how much.

Z

[QUOTE=Basketcase]
Palace - I am not sure but I think only champagne is served and is not included in your €75 entrance. You pay at Reception and a girl delivers it to you.[/QUOTE]


Some months ago, I overheard a conversation at the bar in front at Palace: A guy was asking for some alcoholic drink (some liquor, I think). When the staff was quoting the price he was shocked and finally declined.

They do serve other alcoholic drinks besides champagne, but apparently for a hefty price. But I can't tell in detail.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]John Moore,

Others may correct me but this is what I know:

Oase - all alcoholic beverages is extra over an above your €65 entrance fee. If you want beer, spirits or champagne you pay for it at reception and receive a plastic token that you redeem from the bar.

I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

In Oase a 33cl bottle of Beer will cost you 10 euro, eek! Nein Danke :-)!

Cheers,
Big30

[QUOTE=Big30]In Oase a 33cl bottle of Beer will cost you 10 euro, eek! Nein Danke :-)!

Cheers,
Big30[/QUOTE]

The clubs aren't too proud to enhance profits by serving alcohol. More clubs are providing it these days. However, the high prices is to discourage drunkeness. Drunks are more trouble than they are worth. It seems there are more incidences these days at the clubs than in the past. Alcohol does not appear to be the cause.

General rule is that NRW and northern clubs have free beer, but like all rules there are exceptions. I don't usually imbibe while "on the job" (and I generally have a car anyway) but these are what I remember:

[b]Bernd's[/b] - Beer is free. Small selection of booze and mixers, and it's all included in the entrance fee . Vodka-limon is a house favorite. Girls are not supposed to drink on the job, but will sometimes ask as you're zimmer-bound to get a vodka-limon for "yourself". Some of the regulars are known to bring Bailey's which is an SP favorite. Champagne is extra.

[b]Babylon[/b]- [u]Draft[/u] and bottled beer- free.

[b]Samya[/b]- beer is free.

[b]F39[/b]- bottled beer is free from the self-service fridge.

[b]Zeus[/b]- All drinks including non- alcoholic ones are charged separately.

[b]Harem[/b]- Has different pricing schemes. The all inclusive rate includes draft beer. On the "standard" tariff, you need to pay for soft drinks. Nice selection of alcoholic drinks, but you need to buy a prepaid voucher from the desk.

[b]Villa[/b]- Big bar selection. But only non-alcoholic drinks are included in the entrance fee.

[b]Heaven's Gate[/b]- beer and alcohol are charged for.

[b]Finca[/b]- Nice bar selection, plus beer and mixed cocktails. All charged for.

[QUOTE=John Moore]Thanks Basketcase. Didn't see the help yourself beer-thingy at GT last year though maybe is something new or I just missed it. [/QUOTE]

Hi John Moore,

Did you not have someone we both know give you the grand tour when you were at Golden Time?

In the back yard area of Golden Time if you walk past the couches underneath the verandah you would have come to the wooden platofrm area where there would have been more couches either out in the open (in Summer time in 2008) or in the tent. To the far left adjacent to the main building structure would have been plugged in a stand up beer fridge with a glass door to allow a user to see the fridge's beer selection.

Maybe you were too tied up with lusty women in the main contact areas of Golden Time. If so - well done. It seems like you had your priorities in order.

[QUOTE=Akibono]The clubs aren't too proud to enhance profits by serving alcohol. More clubs are providing it these days. However, the high prices is to discourage drunkeness. Drunks are more trouble than they are worth. It seems there are more incidences these days at the clubs than in the past. Alcohol does not appear to be the cause.[/QUOTE]

It is actually not that long ago (begin 2008, do not remember any more exactly) that you can buy beer in BHH. I do not have a problem with the alcohol policy in BHH. It is just a remarkable fact. 65 euro eintrit and no beer and most of the time bad food, no pizza at 22hr as in most of the NRW clubs, actually no food at all in BHH after diner.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]General rule is that NRW and northern clubs have free beer, but like all rules there are exceptions. I don't usually imbibe while "on the job" (and I generally have a car anyway) but these are what I remember:

[b]Villa[/b]- Big bar selection. But only non-alcoholic drinks are included in the entrance fee.
[/QUOTE]

I think you mean FKK-Villa in Hannover and not Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. In VV beer is included.

Big30

[QUOTE=Iseeu]General rule is that NRW and northern clubs have free beer, but like all rules there are exceptions. I don't usually imbibe while "on the job" (and I generally have a car anyway) but these are what I remember:

[b]Bernd's[/b] - Beer is free. Small selection of booze and mixers, and it's all included in the entrance fee . Vodka-limon is a house favorite. Girls are not supposed to drink on the job, but will sometimes ask as you're zimmer-bound to get a vodka-limon for "yourself". Some of the regulars are known to bring Bailey's which is an SP favorite. Champagne is extra.

[b]Babylon[/b]- [u]Draft[/u] and bottled beer- free.

[b]Samya[/b]- beer is free.

[b]F39[/b]- bottled beer is free from the self-service fridge.

[b]Zeus[/b]- All drinks including non- alcoholic ones are charged separately.

[b]Harem[/b]- Has different pricing schemes. The all inclusive rate includes draft beer. On the "standard" tariff, you need to pay for soft drinks. Nice selection of alcoholic drinks, but you need to buy a prepaid voucher from the desk.

[b]Villa[/b]- Big bar selection. But only non-alcoholic drinks are included in the entrance fee.

[b]Heaven's Gate[/b]- beer and alcohol are charged for.

[b]Finca[/b]- Nice bar selection, plus beer and mixed cocktails. All charged for.[/QUOTE]

Not to nitpick, but F39 does not have beer in the self service fridge.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]Hi John Moore,

Did you not have someone we both know give you the grand tour when you were at Golden Time?

In the back yard area of Golden Time if you walk past the couches underneath the verandah you would have come to the wooden platofrm area where there would have been more couches either out in the open (in Summer time in 2008) or in the tent. To the far left adjacent to the main building structure would have been plugged in a stand up beer fridge with a glass door to allow a user to see the fridge's beer selection.

Maybe you were too tied up with lusty women in the main contact areas of Golden Time. If so - well done. It seems like you had your priorities in order.[/QUOTE]Yes I sure did but can't remember it or him talking about it, it was early 2008 and during the night so the outdoor-area wasn't open, though I went with two german ladies to one of the cabins outside, damn it was cold before the heater did it's thing but quite nice getting warm with two lovely ladies. Hehe, yes my priorities was sure else where.

So beer will cost me extra at Palace? I'm no drunk though so I will survive without it.

Thanks for all replies, quite a discussion going on now.

[QUOTE=Big30]I think you mean FKK-Villa in Hannover and not Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. In VV beer is included.[/QUOTE]
Yes, of course, I was referring to Villa- Hannover, not VV.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]Not to nitpick, but F39 does not have beer in the self service fridge.[/QUOTE]
Isn't there a free-standing fridge near the coffee machine? Could be that I'm mixing this up with another club and if I am I stand corrected.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Isn't there a free-standing fridge near the coffee machine? Could be that I'm mixing this up with another club and if I am I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]

There is. If memory serves, it contained coke, coke light, bottled water and maybe fanta.

Completely understand not focusing on the fridge contents, as there are much more important things to focus on.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]

[b]F39[/b]- bottled beer is free from the self-service fridge.

[b]Heaven's Gate[/b]- beer and alcohol are charged for.
[/QUOTE]

F39- I second EL. No beer available.

Heaven'sgate- beer is for free, one has just to ask at the bar.

[QUOTE=Travelerb69]F39- I second EL. No beer available.

Heaven'sgate- beer is for free, one has just to ask at the bar.[/QUOTE]
And I wasn't even drinking. Must have been some other reasons for my muddled mind.

After the club closes for the night, has anybody had any luck taking a girl back for the night to wake up together with? Just rest. With or without action for the night.

How possible is it to get the girl to see you on her off-day from work and travel around and show you some of Germany? Is it ok to proposition that or is that grounds for being thrown out of the fkk?

Looking for guidance and past experiences if any in this line, from some of the more experienced and adventurous mongers.

Tx,

Tom

[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]After the club closes for the night, has anybody had any luck taking a girl back for the night to wake up together with? Just rest. With or without action for the night.[/Quote]

Well in this life anything is possible. But he above scenario I would find very unlikely unless you had a particularly good connection, multiple visits and deep pockets.

[QUOTE=Tomm Boyytoyy]How possible is it to get the girl to see you on her off-day from work and travel around and show you some of Germany? Is it ok to proposition that or is that grounds for being thrown out of the fkk?[/Quote]

This is more likely. But again you would need to get to know the girl first (this is just common sense). And again deep pockets.

Asking the girls for outside contact is risky for them, and perhaps for you if you make a big deal of it. Most clubs, as I understand it, have policies against such meetings and the girl takes a risk in doing so. So if you do ask be very discrete and don't expect a yes after banging her for one half hour session.

Can someone give me the lowdown on FKK. I would like to go from North America but have know idea where to start. There's too much information on this forum.

[QUOTE=Stoo77]Can someone give me the lowdown on FKK. I would like to go from North America but have know idea where to start. There's too much information on this forum.[/QUOTE]
Easy. Start by doing a simple search.

You can also ask if a monger plans to purchase shoes on EBAY & offer to bring it to Germany to save on shipping. That's how I got started.

What does optifik mean?

[QUOTE=Pita123]What does optifik mean?[/QUOTE]
Sex with a really ugly woman.

[QUOTE=Pita123]What does optifik mean?[/QUOTE]

Optickfick??? Keine ahnung?? E durere!

Kind Regards,
Big30

[QUOTE=Pita123]What does optifik mean?[/QUOTE]

Fucking ("fuck") with your eyes ("Opti").

[QUOTE=Pita123]What does optifik mean?[/QUOTE]

Optickfick. Is a combination of 2 words, Optick/Optical and Fick. In the German language it has a negative association. I have no idee what optifik means!!
Da kenne ich mich nicht aus!!

Kind regards,
Big30

[QUOTE=Pita123]What does optifik mean?[/QUOTE]

"optik" is the visual appearence, "optikfick" means you´re banging a girl because of her nice visual appearence, regardless of her other qualities...

Bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious STD risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from BBBJ. These German outlets cater to hordes of men doing BBBJ and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club. Seems extremely high risk behavior and I have to believe that several mongers in the past may have contracted diseases (sometimes HSV-1 and HSV-2 are sleeping until much later). Even gonorrhea can go undetected for a long time till it gets bad and late.

I have been frequenting the USA guide for a longtime, but am a relative newbie to Germany and trying to understand how such practices can go on so rampantly in an educated monger community.

(I have already searched and read the health threads here but it does not explain such rampant BBBJ in Germany, so thought it best to ask master mongers themselves).

To each his own, and that is respected. But there must be an exchange of information to understand whether this is purely for emotional (feelings) reasons or logical ones. Perhaps I will be better educated if I don't know something, as to why this is safe.

PT

[QUOTE=Stoo77]Can someone give me the lowdown on FKK. I would like to go from North America but have know idea where to start. There's too much information on this forum.[/QUOTE]



May I kindly recommend you to read the forum. There are lots of useful, handy, valuables informations deep inside the threads, which will save you time and bucks;

Those three links would be handy for you as a shortcut;


[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=769453&postcount=200[/url]


[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498957&postcount=2[/url]



[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498956&postcount=1[/url]

dear mr peeteepeet

please make us a favor and continue to monger in your sex prison usa.

as far as i know std are not less common over there,to say the least.

[quote=peeteepeet]i have been frequenting the usa guide for a longtime, but am a relative newbie to germany and trying to understand how such practices can go on so rampantly in an educated monger community.

(i have already searched and read the health threads here but it does not explain such rampant bbbj in germany, so thought it best to ask master mongers themselves).[/quote]

what do you want? life is a risk. stay in your house, don't cross the street, don't shake anybodies hand, don't drive a car.

i've never had any std in 10 years of bbbj.

hb

[quote=peeteepeet]
bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious std risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from bbbj. these german outlets cater to hordes of men doing bbbj and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club. seems extremely high risk behavior and i have to believe that several mongers in the past may have contracted diseases (sometimes hsv-1 and hsv-2 are sleeping until much later). even gonorrhea can go undetected for a long time till it gets bad and late.
pt[/quote]

i am extremely worried. what are these guys thinking taking such a risk like bbbj!

i always use a condom during oral, but i just can't resist bareback sex. i do bbfs 77% of the time.

[quote=peeteepeet]bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious std risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from bbbj. these german outlets cater to hordes of men doing bbbj and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club.

to each his own, and that is respected.[/quote]peeteepeet,

you will never have a problem with a girl in an fkk if you ask her to do a cbj. she will respect your wishes. so it's an issue you need not fear.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]What do you want? Life is a risk. Stay in your house, don't cross the street, don't shake anybodies hand, don't drive a car.

I've never had any STD in 10 years of BBBJ.

HB[/QUOTE]I caught Chlamydia once from BBBJ but not in Germany.

But at least its treatanle.

Another time caught Chlamydia in one eye due to BB pussy fingering (no glove). So wash hands soon!

Fortunately HIV is not that easy to catch.

[QUOTE=Mp Lover]I caught Chlamydia once from BBBJ but not in Germany.

But at least its treatanle.

Another time caught Chlamydia in one eye due to BB pussy fingering (no glove). So wash hands soon!

Fortunately HIV is not that easy to catch.[/QUOTE]Thanks all. You guys are really helpful. I found Duralong's report extremely helpful also (especially the last 'chapter' of this laboriously crafted report and a great style of writing)

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868492&postcount=255[/url]

It's real data like this that helps all of us make our own decisions that suit our own tastes and lifestyles. I will share my real life experiences also to give back to this incredible forum.

PT

please, understand what i am explaining:

i know what you mean, but the statistics say the truth:

in all western countries, at least 50% of men (most husbands with happy families) have occasional sex with no previous medical check-up

and, specifically, they have sex with prostitutes of all kinds, and they want, at least, uncovered fellatio, usually with swallow.

some of them want total uncovered oral, vaginal, anal sex.

if it is true what the conformist public opinion says, then we should have all hospitals full of i'll people because of venereal diseases.

instead, our hospitals collect few cases of venereal diseases.

here's your reply. this is from men's point of view.

much worse is from women's point of view.

can you imagine a young girl who swallowed sperm from about 20000 different men in ten years and now she has no serious diseases? or she was used to receive anal fisting (all hand more 10 cm after wrist) and now she defecates like you?

[quote=peeteepeet]bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious std risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from bbbj. these german outlets cater to hordes of men doing bbbj and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club. seems extremely high risk behavior and i have to believe that several mongers in the past may have contracted diseases (sometimes hsv-1 and hsv-2 are sleeping until much later). even gonorrhea can go undetected for a long time till it gets bad and late.

i have been frequenting the usa guide for a longtime, but am a relative newbie to germany and trying to understand how such practices can go on so rampantly in an educated monger community.

(i have already searched and read the health threads here but it does not explain such rampant bbbj in germany, so thought it best to ask master mongers themselves).

to each his own, and that is respected. but there must be an exchange of information to understand whether this is purely for emotional (feelings) reasons or logical ones. perhaps i will be better educated if i don't know something, as to why this is safe.

pt[/quote]

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern]There is. If memory serves, it contained coke, coke light, bottled water and maybe fanta.

Completely understand not focusing on the fridge contents, as there are much more important things to focus on.[/QUOTE]
We are waiting for your trip report!

I have tried to read about cum in mouth and of course, I understand the definition. But a very fundamental question at the FKK: is the CIM with condom or without condom? And how does this work? When you have sex and ready to orgasm, you just tell her you're ready to come, and she takes the condom off and you come in her mouth? How does the whole process work?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Catmouse123]I have tried to read about cum in mouth and of course, I understand the definition. But a very fundamental question at the FKK: is the CIM with condom or without condom? And how does this work? When you have sex and ready to orgasm, you just tell her you're ready to come, and she takes the condom off and you come in her mouth? How does the whole process work?

Thank you![/QUOTE]

Catmouse123,

CIM finish or FT finish is without condom.

What this means is that your CIM ending can be from a session that entirely comprises the lady sucking your Schwanz to completion like in a Kino BBBJ session ==> BBBJTCIM.

OR

You have had the normal suck and fuck session and you want to end in her mouth so after fucking - you or she pulls off the condom and she goes to work on your knob until you let rip in her mouth. The best girls are the ones that do not immediately jump up off you as soon as the first spurt flies. Most girls that I do FT / CIM finishes with stay on you with that entire mouths holding your shaft and head in their mouths until you stop coming whilst continuing to suck you gently coaxing the last spurts of come from your Eier (eggs).

Not all girls do FT / CIM so you may want to ask first before ripping condoms off and offering it to her mouth. In my experience it is a rare girl that does not perform CIM finish though.

Go and try it, enjoy and please report back your experiences on this forum.

In some of the fkk sites the girls profile includes Natursekst.

What does it mean?

Thanks

[quote=avi27]in some of the fkk sites the girls profile includes natursekst.
what does it mean?
thanks[/quote]

natur/sekt = natural champagne
a euphemism for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]

Can anyone advice on the best thai brothel/FKK/Partytreff in Germany?

Looking for goods looks & high quality in general. Sort of a decent substitute for taking the long trip to Thailand.

Thanks for any tip.

I have noticed the phrase "body insemination" used in a lot of websites and ads and am wondering exactly what it means. Specifically does it mean the same as AO, come in pussy?

[QUOTE=Suller Joe]Can anyone advice on the best thai brothel/FKK/Partytreff in Germany?

Looking for goods looks & high quality in general. Sort of a decent substitute for taking the long trip to Thailand.

Thanks for any tip.[/QUOTE]

For Thai girls you really should go to Thailand. There are a number of FKKs with one or more Thai girls, but I'm not aware of a Thai FKK. A number of years back, there was a Partytreff called Pegasus in Duesseldorf that had a selection of MILFy looking Thai women. I never went as the ladies advertised on the website seemed a little long in the tooth.

The average Thai girl working in a German FKK seems older than the average you find working the bars in Pattaya. I suspect many of the Thai girls working in FKKs in Germany married German mongers and it didn't work out and decided they could make a good living working in Germany when it would be difficult back in Thailand because they would be competing with mostly younger women.

Palace has a number of Thai girls, but no gaurentee they will be working when you are there. The board consensus is that Bee is the cream of the crop. I've had a few Thai girls at Oase, but most were older and MILFy.

I've seen as many as five Thai girls at one time at GT. At least 2 are quite MILFy. I've seen three at one time in F39, but you have a reasonable chance when going no Thai girls will be there.

If you like Chinese girls, I've had good experiences with the Asia Sex World, Asia Sex Club, Asia Sauna chain. Link is below, you can find links to the sister clubs:

[url]http://www.asia-sauna.de/[/url]

Almost every girl is Chinese and claims to be a Uni student. 80E gets you a nice 40 minutes of sex with CIM. Not a place to spend the day, but I've had some great sessions. I do wonder if most of the Chinese girls in German Unis are fucking guys for some extra Euro in these clubs.

Finally, I did once venture to a club called Niloticus (since closed) which according to a Dutch monger I met, was supposedly the same concept as Golden Time stocked with HK Chinese girls. Two girls, lackluster service, big disappointment.

[QUOTE=Ekliges Lauern] For Thai girls you really should go to Thailand.

I've seen as many as five Thai girls at one time at GT. At least 2 are quite MILFy.[/QUOTE]

I agree with Ekliges Lauern. In my experience, the place with the most Thai girls that I have seen is Golden Time. Oase has a couple, Palace has a regular coterie of them.

The reality is that if you want a large selection of Thai women then head to Thailand.

In my home town, I know guys that know all the haunts for Asian girls: Indians are in XXXX, Philipinos can be picked up in YYYYY bar and if you want Thais then go to ZZZZZZZ club. These girls are normal girls so are picked up like any normal girl out for a good time with a good man.

[QUOTE=Seabreeze0003]I have noticed the phrase "body insemination" used in a lot of websites and ads and am wondering exactly what it means. Specifically does it mean the same as AO, come in pussy?[/QUOTE]

Body insemination (translated from the German Körperbesamung I assume) means that you deposit your load somewhere on the lady's body-most usually the breasts but sometimes the lower back or belly. In the world of bordellos it will usually be charged as an extra unless you know the lady or have paid for FO as an extra.

In FKK land I think it is a ymmv thing. I understand that at the big FKK this is often charged as a 50 euro extra. Outrageous IMO.

I would rarely myself have need of this service but at Artemis (keep in mind that this is with ladies with whom I have a rapport) I have never been charged extra for this.

AO refers to "Alles Ohne" and means bbfs, but as I understand it, not necessarily come in pussy. When AO is available (and it is surprisingly common) it will rarely be advertised except as the rather cryptic Tabulos.

Hi,

I'm a visitor to Germany and considering to take part in some mongering activities over here. I was wondering whether the comdoms are supplied in the FKK clubs by the girls?

Thx

Yes,you will get the condoms by the girl.

[QUOTE=Chchpunter]Hi,

I'm a visitor to Germany and considering to take part in some mongering activities over here. I was wondering whether the comdoms are supplied in the FKK clubs by the girls?

Thx[/QUOTE]

Basket, Jackyo, et al

I have to admit that I am more than a little disappointed by the recent postings about VV. I have limited most of my NW area visits to this place, because I had such a good time. It has been about a year of so though since the last visit. The reason for this post is that I have a trip to Amsterdam later in the week. While it has the "bawdy" reputation, I find it to be overpriced and underserving. I am planning on taking a day trip or a 1 nighter to Germany to enjoy myself. What I am hoping to find are a couple of nice clubs in the same general vicinity as VV that would be worth a drive to visit. I don't want to go any further south, if possible. I know I will possibly get the "RTFF" quote and have, but I am asking for a recommendation from those that maybe enjoyed VV and have now moved on to "greener' pastures. I figure maybe we have similar tastes in establishments and I would enjoy similar things as you.
Thank you in advance!

Sky

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Basket, Jackyo, et al

I have to admit that I am more than a little disappointed by the recent postings about VV. I have limited most of my NW area visits to this place, because I had such a good time. It has been about a year of so though since the last visit. The reason for this post is that I have a trip to Amsterdam later in the week. While it has the "bawdy" reputation, I find it to be overpriced and underserving. I am planning on taking a day trip or a 1 nighter to Germany to enjoy myself. What I am hoping to find are a couple of nice clubs in the same general vicinity as VV that would be worth a drive to visit. I don't want to go any further south, if possible. I know I will possibly get the "RTFF" quote and have, but I am asking for a recommendation from those that maybe enjoyed VV and have now moved on to "greener' pastures. I figure maybe we have similar tastes in establishments and I would enjoy similar things as you.
Thank you in advance!

Sky[/QUOTE]

Try PHG, GT, and LR.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Basket, Jackyo, et al

I have to admit that I am more than a little disappointed by the recent postings about VV. I have limited most of my NW area visits to this place, because I had such a good time. It has been about a year of so though since the last visit. The reason for this post is that I have a trip to Amsterdam later in the week. While it has the "bawdy" reputation, I find it to be overpriced and underserving. I am planning on taking a day trip or a 1 nighter to Germany to enjoy myself. What I am hoping to find are a couple of nice clubs in the same general vicinity as VV that would be worth a drive to visit. I don't want to go any further south, if possible. I know I will possibly get the "RTFF" quote and have, but I am asking for a recommendation from those that maybe enjoyed VV and have now moved on to "greener' pastures. I figure maybe we have similar tastes in establishments and I would enjoy similar things as you.
Thank you in advance!

Sky[/QUOTE]

If I was coming from AMS and had the wheels and the time then go to Golden Time near Bruggen or for a bit further to go but you get a slower pace then go to Samya in Cologne area.

There is also Planet Happy Garden or Yin Yang near Roermond / Melick but if your tastes (and not just the taste in women) are like mine then you will like Golden Time and Samya for a short trip like a weekend. If you have the extra days then stop in on Planet Happy Garden, Living Room and Yin Yang.

Maybe even try the red light district in the Hague - I have fond memories of wandering that open square area and the covered area of the Gelenstraat near Holland Spoor train station (ZYH) / Den Haag HS. Further afield is Antwerp for their red light district which is like Amsterdam before the authorities started closing the windows.

For me, if I go back to Villa Vertigo it would be if I did not want any sex and just wanted to use their facilities and consume the comestibles.

I am not saying do not go to Villa Vertigo. It is just my opinion. You read it and you decide.

The issue is that I am not the only one saying that the sentiment in Villa Vertigo feels like no sex goes on.

[QUOTE=Basketcase]If I was coming from AMS and had the wheels and the time then go to Golden Time near Bruggen or for a bit further to go but you get a slower pace then go to Samya in Cologne area.

There is also Planet Happy Garden or Yin Yang near Roermond / Melick but if your tastes (and not just the taste in women) are like mine then you will like Golden Time and Samya for a short trip like a weekend. If you have the extra days then stop in on Planet Happy Garden, Living Room and Yin Yang.

Maybe even try the red light district in the Hague - I have fond memories of wandering that open square area and the covered area of the Gelenstraat near Holland Spoor train station (ZYH) / Den Haag HS. Further afield is Antwerp for their red light district which is like Amsterdam before the authorities started closing the windows.

For me, if I go back to Villa Vertigo it would be if I did not want any sex and just wanted to use their facilities and consume the comestibles.

I am not saying do not go to Villa Vertigo. It is just my opinion. You read it and you decide.

The issue is that I am not the only one saying that the sentiment in Villa Vertigo feels like no sex goes on.[/QUOTE]

Basket,

Thanks and to all the others as well. That is exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. As it turns out, it seems that Samya is having a 5th anniversary party on Friday, so it seems that it might be a good time to go!! I don't how long the drive is from Amsterdam, but it can't be more than 3 hours or so.
I thought about just staying local and going to Den Hague, and I tried a place or two there a couple of weeks back. The only issue is you go in, choose a girl, (from limited supply) head to the room and then leave afterwards. The prices is less overall, but so is the experience. I am not much on the windows other than looking, I don't enjoy the wam/bam like I used too and if makes same day repeats a little awkward.
I was going to train it down to Koln, but can't make a one day trip worthwhile since Samya closes at 1 and the first train doesn't leave until 5ish.
I will either have to rent a car, or spend the night...
Thanks again and I will try to post about the experience when I can!
Regards,
Sky

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Basket,

Thanks and to all the others as well. That is exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. As it turns out, it seems that Samya is having a 5th anniversary party on Friday, so it seems that it might be a good time to go!! [/QUOTE]

And it may not be. Read my posting from today about Artemis' 4th birthday bash. Take it for what it is worth as I have to admit I was not feeling tops last night. But there were rather a lot of the owners friends there and some sort of VIP list (different wrist bands) who seemed to take up the girls' time & attention.

I also noticed a couple of girls who would appear from time to time wearing white bath robes and carrying drinks upstairs. So I have a feeling that there was an even more exclusive event somewhere upstairs.

I'm not suggesting there was anything wrong with all of this. The owner certainly has the right to celebrate his successful business as he sees fit. But as a regular paying customer I found that the night did not measure up to a regular busy evening of business.

It was fun but if it were my only visit there I would have been disappointed. I just know that things will be back to normal the next time I go.

AM

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder]Basket,

As it turns out, it seems that Samya is having a 5th anniversary party on Friday, so it seems that it might be a good time to go!! I don't how long the drive is from Amsterdam, but it can't be more than 3 hours or so.

I was going to train it down to Koln, but can't make a one day trip worthwhile since Samya closes at 1 and the first train doesn't leave until 5ish.
I will either have to rent a car, or spend the night...
Thanks again and I will try to post about the experience when I can!
Regards,
Sky[/QUOTE]

If you are going to Samya on a Friday or Saturday night then it closes at 03:00 / 3 am. Other nights, Samya closes at 01:00 as you say. So if you did the 5th birthday party you can party until 03:00 closing and taxi to the train station for the 5ish train (and a sleep) back to AMS Centraal Station. You should have time to pick up an early morning strudel or a bread roll. More flexibility is given for renting a car and may actually be similar in cost as a train ticket and taxi combo.

Samya can be reached by public transport. See the Samya thread for the details.

The drive I suspect if the traffic is good should be 3 hours from AMS.

Samya Girls that I have had good times were Onita (Hungary) - slim build, Stefania (Sicily, Italy) - big droopy breasts, Vanesa (Czech Republic) - slim build and Amira (Germany) - love the big natural breasts and Caty (Finland) - cute little blond from Planet Happy Garden fame where she was known as Malene.

Cornelia (Poland) is a looker and seems to be booked constantly.

FKK Experts, I need some advice please.

Planning a weekend to experience FKK soon (first time on the fkk scene). I'm travelling by train from Hague and will have friday night, saturday and all sunday. Have read a lot of the forum but cannot make up my mind on whether to hit the scene in dusseldorf or frankfurt area. Things to consider are:

1) train to dusseldorf is 3 hours vs 4.5 hours to frankfurt.

2) I know these areas have a number of clubs but I am after higher quality, younger women (european, south american), good service.

3) Getting by on public transport would be handy to save on costs.

So is it worth the extra travel time to head to frankfurt (palace, Oase etc). Or am I getting more or less the same standards in Dusseldorf?

Would appreciate your help.

Hi,

I am a newbie to FKK/ Heard from a friend that FKK Golden Times is one of the best, would you recommend this or will you recommend some other club in Dusseldorf area.

Also, what is the cost of FKK service? And is anal or 2 girls possible?

Thank you,

Peter

[QUOTE=Peter Headey]Hi,

I am a newbie to FKK/ Heard from a friend that FKK Golden Times is one of the best, would you recommend this or will you recommend some other club in Dusseldorf area.

Also, what is the cost of FKK service? And is anal or 2 girls possible?

Thank you,

Peter[/QUOTE]

No, it is not possible to do 2 girls anally --at least not at the same time.

[QUOTE=Peter Headey]Hi,

I am a newbie to FKK/ Heard from a friend that FKK Golden Times is one of the best, would you recommend this or will you recommend some other club in Dusseldorf area.

Also, what is the cost of FKK service? And is anal or 2 girls possible?

Thank you,

Peter[/QUOTE]


What ever you are willing to pay for is possible. Two girls certainly and anal from the girls that provide it. It depends upon which club you go to how much it will cost. At my local club, Artemis Berlin, extras tend to be very expensive. At other clubs it can be cheaper but the services you mention will probably always be a bit steep.

I've read a few complaints here of girls ripping off customers. I.e. not spending a full hour, nor providing the service agreed.

What's the rule do you pay before the action starts? Or after you're done?

If the latter then you could refuse to pay the extra fees. Pay for 30 mins if she only spent 40 mins with you. Or would the management get involved?

[QUOTE=Rugga]I've read a few complaints here of girls ripping off customers. I.e. not spending a full hour, nor providing the service agreed.

What's the rule do you pay before the action starts? Or after you're done?

If the latter then you could refuse to pay the extra fees. Pay for 30 mins if she only spent 40 mins with you. Or would the management get involved?[/QUOTE]
The price is for each started 30 minutes. If she stayes 40 minutes and charges for one hour, she is not ripping you off, she is entitled to payment for the next started 30 minutes. Now, it might not be a good business decision on her behalf if she stayed only 40 minutes, but it is not a rip-off unless she perhaps rushed you out of the room at minute 35 or something like that. You pay after you done. Read the FAQ at the start of this threat

[QUOTE=Rugga]I've read a few complaints here of girls ripping off customers. I.e. not spending a full hour, nor providing the service agreed.

What's the rule do you pay before the action starts? Or after you're done?

If the latter then you could refuse to pay the extra fees. Pay for 30 mins if she only spent 40 mins with you. Or would the management get involved?[/QUOTE]


I know that some may not agree with me, but I fail to see how it is even possible to get seriously scammed at one of the established FKK. When you agree to go to the room with a girl all you are at first agreeing to (unless you explicitly say otherwise) is a 30 min. session for between 50-70 euros, depending upon the particular establishment. If with in the first, say 15 mins., you haven't figured out whether or not your chosen girl is a clock watcher who is rushing you to finish, and thus finish up (either by cumming or practicing sperm conservation for a later session) then maybe you deserve to be "scammed". It is all part of the game and hopefully you will learn a bit about how the girls operate and how to chose a better partner the next time.

In the case of some serious disputes-and I know they can happen-you take it to the management and let them know what you think happened and allow the girl to make her case. I am not sure about other clubs,but my regular haunts have a system in place (not advertised so ass-hat guys don't hold it over the girls) where by a girl with too many complaints is not allowed to work anymore.

And make no mistake-the girls who are successful make good money at a busy FKK and they want to keep working. But then the girls who are successful won't be running scams either.

So what I am saying is don't worry so much about getting shorted on time. Chose carefully, keep your head about you (not always easy in the presence of a beautiful lady, but you're a man, learn to do this) and if she shorts you 5-10 mins. just don't use her services again.

If you have chosen well you will sometimes get 5-10 mins. over the half hour with no expectation of extra payment. This you reward by becoming a regular. All part of the game.

And maybe write a report so we all know what you think happened.

Hi gents.

I'll be stopping in Germany and the Czech Republic for four days in early November.- starting and finishing in Frankfurt, with a car.

Here's my question: I have a very long hair fetish, so obviously I will want to visit places with as many women as possible in an effort to find one that scratches that itch. I know it would be generally best then, to aim for FKK's like Oase, World, Bernd's and Palace. Their web sites hint at ladies with very long hair but they could be generic or out-of-date pictures. Doing a "long hair" search here appears to just key on individual words, not a phrase.

If any of you can offer any recommendations, I'll be grateful!

Thanks in advance and best regards!

Just curious if anyone wants to comment on interesting conversation topics they've had with the girls at FKK clubs. I've tried politics, where are you from, food, etc., but I'm sort of running out of ideas for something new that stays away from personal topics. I find it a bit of a challange as I really don't want to get into why they are in this business or whether or not they enjoy it, etc.

[QUOTE=Marwar58]Just curious if anyone wants to comment on interesting conversation topics they've had with the girls at FKK clubs. I've tried politics, where are you from, food, etc., but I'm sort of running out of ideas for something new that stays away from personal topics. I find it a bit of a challange as I really don't want to get into why they are in this business or whether or not they enjoy it, etc.[/QUOTE]

Do you get many americans here? (good information to know anyway! They will tell all kinds of stories)

Where did you learn your English? (if they speak English, even if not so good it is better than my German!)

Where do you go for vacation? (they often go to Spain or Italy or someplace I have been and then THAT could be a conversation piece)

Mark

[QUOTE=Marwar58]Just curious if anyone wants to comment on interesting conversation topics they've had with the girls at FKK clubs. I've tried politics, where are you from, food, etc., but I'm sort of running out of ideas for something new that stays away from personal topics. I find it a bit of a challange as I really don't want to get into why they are in this business or whether or not they enjoy it, etc.[/QUOTE] Try:
"I bet you 10 euros you can't deepthroat me" and then watch her blow chunks on your tummy
"It looks like you have done a lot of anal sex" and then take it from there based on her answer
"Damn, I would be willing to pay double if I could find a 100% Romanian girl" to the Romanian girl that just told you she is half Italian or Spanish
"You are my 8th session today. Boy oh boy you gonna have to work really hard to get me off!" to the girl right after you enter the room

Have a few more, but you can start with this

[quote]"Damn, I would be willing to pay double if I could find a 100% Romanian girl" to the Romanian girl that just told you she is half Italian or Spanish[/quote]

ROFLMAO!!!

[QUOTE=Henio]


"Damn, I would be willing to pay double if I could find a 100% Romanian girl" to the Romanian girl that just told you she is half Italian or Spanish"[/QUOTE]

This is the one I will try on my next visit to World.
Thanks for that tipp.

[QUOTE=Creature2]This is the one I will try on my next visit to World.
Thanks for that tipp.[/QUOTE]

The 20 Romanian girls within earshot of you would likely gang tackle you.

[QUOTE=Creature2]This is the one I will try on my next visit to World.
Thanks for that tipp.[/QUOTE] Gotta give credit to Beffen that I think came up with the original line "oh, I am looking for a full blooded Romanian" to one of them half and half girls.

btw: Although it might look like I am making this up for fun, these are actually lines I have used, and yes, I had a girl throw up on my stomach once trying to DT...that was a bit nasty and the smell was not that great. The girl had a good laugh about it afterwards though

[QUOTE=Henio]Gotta give credit to Beffen that I think came up with the original line "oh, I am looking for a full blooded Romanian" to one of them half and half girls.

btw: Although it might look like I am making this up for fun, these are actually lines I have used, and yes, I had a girl throw up on my stomach once trying to DT...that was a bit nasty and the smell was not that great. The girl had a good laugh about it afterwards though[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the props, henio.
Yeah you should have seen her face the first time I used that one. "Oh shit, I really blew it"

I find the girls like to talk about animals, and not the kind with towels wrapped around their midriffs.

With me, they also like to talk about health issues, or skin care.

Another frequent subject has me persistently deflecting questions about my running mates or trying to make up ridculous falsehoods to answer their inquiries. We all know who excels at that pastime, though.

In an FKK and a Sauna Club, that is the girls who suppose to convince us, the punters for a session, and the guys are deciding whether to go or not. (In a partytreff or swinger club, this is another story, I admit)

If so, why should we use those pick-up lines? Just to tease them or have fun with them, or to have a simple conversation or just socialize with girls? No, thanks. I always keep the words flowing spontaneously.

[QUOTE=Creature2]...If so, why should we use those pick-up lines? Just to tease them or have fun with them?[/QUOTE] These are not pick-up lines. For all practical purposes, you would not be able to pick up a girl commenting her on her high milage asshole :-) It is just a way to goof around and have some fun while spending time in the club or just have something to talk about instead of sitting bored in a sofa waiting for the next session.

I would have to say that if your prime goal in going to these clubs is to find beautiful & sexy girls with who to spend quality sexual time, then using lines such as these-even making up your own-would be a great way to sabotage yourself.

To me they show a sort of passive aggressiveness that the quality girls (women are very sensitive to this sort of stuff) would quickly recognize and steer clear of. And yes I do find that the girls, at least the really top performers who have no real need to search out business, will avoid men who are just joking around like this trying to stave off boredom.

And don't get me wrong-I love humor and in fact suggest that making a girl laugh is one of the top ways to increase your attractiveness to her and thus improve the quality of your session. By all means make jokes, but not at the expense of anyone else. Especially the girl herself.

I don't mean to be Captain Bring-down here or to tell any one off. You are free to do and act in anyway you wish of course. But as the purpose of this forum (as I see it) is to help us to improve the quality of our club visits, I feel the need to honestly comment when I see something as glaringly miss leading to our purpose as is this.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I would have to say that if your prime goal in going to these clubs is to find beautiful & sexy girls with who to spend quality sexual time, then using lines such as these-even making up your own-would be a great way to sabotage yourself.

To me they show a sort of passive aggressiveness that the quality girls (women are very sensitive to this sort of stuff) would quickly recognize and steer clear of. And yes I do find that the girls, at least the really top performers who have no real need to search out business, will avoid men who are just joking around like this trying to stave off boredom.

And don't get me wrong-I love humor and in fact suggest that making a girl laugh is one of the top ways to increase your attractiveness to her and thus improve the quality of your session. By all means make jokes, but not at the expense of anyone else. Especially the girl herself.

I don't mean to be Captain Bring-down here or to tell any one off. You are free to do and act in anyway you wish of course. But as the purpose of this forum (as I see it) is to help us to improve the quality of our club visits, I feel the need to honestly comment when I see something as glaringly miss leading to our purpose as is this.[/QUOTE]

Hey Angus,
Firstly, sorry that I seemed to have missed you on Thursday. More on that later.

Second; As one who has catted around quite a bit with Beffen, Henio and a few other charmers, you would be surprised how well and far some good, light-hearted kidding with the girls can go.

Now please understand that with very only a few exceptions does any of our club/girl humor turn ugly or vicious. And again for the most part, none of us have had too much fun at a girl's expense if we didn't know she could take it. BTW, you should see some of the fun payback that can come our way.

Obviously, a good deal of these so called "pick-up" lines are meant in jest and intended to give a few "insiders" a chuckle our two. No need to take it that seriously.

Oh, and Beffen,

I think that a few World and GT gals now believe that you either joined the Peace Corpse in order to help under-educated hookers in third-world countries learn economics, or are staring in your own one-act play in the West End entitled "the Penis Monologues."

No idea where or from whom they got these notions ;-)))

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Dedalus]Hey Angus,
Firstly, sorry that I seemed to have missed you on Thursday. More on that later.

Second; As one who has catted around quite a bit with Beffen, Henio and a few other charmers, you would be surprised how well and far some good, light-hearted kidding with the girls can go.

Now please understand that with very only a few exceptions does any of our club/girl humor turn ugly or vicious. And again for the most part, none of us have had too much fun at a girl's expense if we didn't know she could take it. BTW, you should see some of the fun payback that can come our way.

Obviously, a good deal of these so called "pick-up" lines are meant in jest and intended to give a few "insiders" a chuckle our two. No need to take it that seriously.

Dedalus[/QUOTE]

Okay- I will cop to the fact that I may take the whole subject of teasing a wee bit too seriously. It does have some historical overtones for me personally and so is a bit of a hot button.

But I will maintain for the benefit of the less experienced FKK mongers that it is wise to be a bit careful wielding such a tool of seduction in the club atmosphere. It can easily backfire upon you and produce unintended results.

And I was also sorry to have missed you on Thursday. I was really looking forward to meeting a fellow monger with such a literary nickname such as yourself. But then, as you will soon read, the girls at Oase did do their best to keep me well occupied.

And I did have a blast and have a feeling that it will not be my one and only visit to that club.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Okay- I will cop to the fact that I may take the whole subject of teasing a wee bit too seriously. It does have some historical overtones for me personally and so is a bit of a hot button.

But I will maintain for the benefit of the less experienced FKK mongers that it is wise to be a bit careful wielding such a tool of seduction in the club atmosphere. It can easily backfire upon you and produce unintended results.

And I was also sorry to have missed you on Thursday. I was really looking forward to meeting a fellow monger with such a literary nickname such as yourself. But then, as you will soon read, the girls at Oase did do their best to keep me well occupied.

And I did have a blast and have a feeling that it will not be my one and only visit to that club.[/QUOTE]


Not a problem, Man.

BTW, the first person I ran into in the Oase parking lot when I arrived was Iseeu. He gave me an "Angus" description, but it didn't help. Next time.

Cheers,

Dedalus, who is sometimes envious of Henio's "tool" of seduction

[QUOTE=Dedalus]BTW, the first person I ran into in the Oase parking lot when I arrived was Iseeu. He gave me an "Angus" description, but it didn't help.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Angus Magee]But then, as you will soon read, the girls at Oase did do their best to keep me well occupied.[/QUOTE]

So you were there. And I take it that you arrived just as Isseu was leaving.

By that time I had beat a hasty retreat to the sauna/steam room after having arranged a 22:00 (or so) session with one of Iseeu's recommended girls. By the time I emerged from this session I was truly weak at the knees and spent a couple of hours snoring in some corner. Read all about it in my upcoming post.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I would have to say that if your prime goal in going to these clubs is to find beautiful & sexy girls with who to spend quality sexual time, then using lines such as these-even making up your own-would be a great way to sabotage yourself.

To me they show a sort of passive aggressiveness that the quality girls (women are very sensitive to this sort of stuff) would quickly recognize and steer clear of. And yes I do find that the girls, at least the really top performers who have no real need to search out business, will avoid men who are just joking around like this trying to stave off boredom.

And don't get me wrong-I love humor and in fact suggest that making a girl laugh is one of the top ways to increase your attractiveness to her and thus improve the quality of your session. By all means make jokes, but not at the expense of anyone else. Especially the girl herself.

I don't mean to be Captain Bring-down here or to tell any one off. You are free to do and act in anyway you wish of course. But as the purpose of this forum (as I see it) is to help us to improve the quality of our club visits, I feel the need to honestly comment when I see something as glaringly miss leading to our purpose as is this.[/QUOTE]
I usually do not joke around much unless I know the girl. Accually, I do not talk much in or out the room. I have seen Mr Henio's smooth Jedi magic & it really works for him. Dedalus, Beffen & some others are big time charmers too, but Henio has some impressive MOJO.

hey Angus, point well taken. There is a time and place for everything.

I've had two fabulous FKK visits (Artemis x 2, Colosseum x 1), and planning my next round. I stuck with multiple standard sessions spaced out by an hour or so and enjoyed of course. The exotic options have me intrigued and wondering who has done something like this:

At Artemis, lets say
1st girl, 1 hour = 120
2nd girl, 1 hour = 120
Lesbo action = 60 extra each
CIM in one--50 extra
Dizzying to think of.

Some what's the biggest bill folks have run up and was it worth the dough compared to multiple standards?

I have never been to an FKK and wanted to see if someone would recommend the best ones for me.

Looks wise. Looking for curvy (but not fat or tummy) blondes (C or the cup tits natural preferred with nice round behinds) that are young looking

Service wise. BBBJTC, DFK needed and Greek would be nice

I don't speak any German

Also needs them to be easy to get to by ublic transportation from the airport

So, would flying into Frankfurt or Munich be better? And which clubs would be the best for me. BTW, what are red carpet clubs? Would they suit my tastes?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Sad Sam]I have never been to an FKK and wanted to see if someone would recommend the best ones for me.
[/QUOTE]

My advice would be to fly into Frankfurt, and hire a car. Car hire is cheap and easy in Germany. Depending how much time you have, I would recommend you sample the delights of Oase and World, which are close together by car. You consider a journey north to GoldenTime if you have an extra few days.

For a short but debauched trip, just stick to Oase and World.

Red carpet clubs are more local, are slightly cheaper but have a lower standard of girls. If you want to experience something different with slightly less stunning girls, you could try a partytreff, though most of the good ones are further north.

Arrive with a full wallet. It will be empty when you leave!

Have Fun!

PL

[QUOTE=Plover 23]My advice would be to fly into Frankfurt, and hire a car. Car hire is cheap and easy in Germany. Depending how much time you have, I would recommend you sample the delights of Oase and World, which are close together by car.[/QUOTE]
I just spent 200 E on a car for four days and now, having booked another trip in February, I'm giving thought to bypassing the car and using public transport as I'm just going to World and Oase.

Certainly travel between the airport and either club is easy, but I'm wondering, if someone can tell me, how difficult it is to get from one club to the other.

[QUOTE=Regnad]I just spent 200 E on a car for four days and now, having booked another trip in February, I'm giving thought to bypassing the car and using public transport as I'm just going to World and Oase.

Certainly travel between the airport and either club is easy, but I'm wondering, if someone can tell me, how difficult it is to get from one club to the other.[/QUOTE]


200E on a car for 4 days??? That is way over what you could pay: I am about to have a one week trip in Germany and hired a car for one full week for 185E (insurance and unlimited milage included)!

To your question: I would say without a car going to/coming from World is a major pain in the hosen boden (ass!). Having a hired car will allow you to get from Oase to World (or visa-versa) in something like 25-30 mins. They are each about a ten minute drive off the A5.

For good car offers in Germany, search for some of Henio's posts earlier this year, and/or use the powerful search tool Google to find best prices. You can look at [url]www.economycarrentals.com[/url] for a start...

O

[QUOTE=Regnad]I just spent 200 E on a car for four days [/QUOTE]

A 4 day rental at sixti for either a smart car or something a bit larger like the ford fiesta would run you 70 euro's...its not like your driving 400 miles if your only going between oase and world.

You gave your car an extra 130 euro's, hope you at least got an hour in the room with it.

[url]http://www.sixti.com/cgi-perl/rental/el?language=en[/url]

[QUOTE=Ortos]200E on a car for 4 days??? That is way over what you could pay: I am about to have a one week trip in Germany and hired a car for one full week for 185E (insurance and unlimited milage included)![/QUOTE]
Actually the price I paid was 160E; the other 40E was for gas.

Searching Economy for the 5 days in February that I'll be there, I see 165E. I'm finding a Smartcar from Sixti for $100 for the same 5 days with up to 400km.

The price for the Sixti seems cheaper than public transport, what with the need to take cabs from the station to the clubs and back to the hotel. I just reserved it.

Thanks to both the Baron von Breadman and Ortos for the help.

I need just one place where to sleep, I think it will be chaper out of Frankfurt and I need at least couple of hotels, just in case one will be full due to the period. (Xmas).

Thanks in advance for the help.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I need just one place where to sleep, I think it will be chaper out of Frankfurt and I need at least couple of hotels, just in case one will be full due to the period. (Xmas).[/QUOTE]

Search and/or review the Frankfurt a.M. thread. Over the past 12-24 months we've had several recommendations on places to stay in the Frankfurt area including thoughts on the Christmas season. In brief, some hotels have offered excellent rates at that time to attract guest during that slow season. One of my favorite pensions closes a day or two before Christmas for a couple weeks off during the holiday season.

Rufus

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I need just one place where to sleep, I think it will be chaper out of Frankfurt and I need at least couple of hotels, just in case one will be full due to the period. (Xmas).

Thanks in advance for the help.[/QUOTE]

B and B Frankfurt Nord- 5 minutes from Oase, easy drive to FKKW, free wireless internet in the room, rooms under 50 euro. A step up from the Etaps.
[url]http://bb-frankfurt-nord.hotel-rez.com/[/url]

My second choice is Etap Linden- closer to World (10 minutes) easy drive to Oase. Rooms under 40. Both have nearby Mc Donalds and other places to eat or you can buy the basic breakfast for 5-8 euros at the motel.

[url]http://www.etaphotel.com/de/hotel-2675-etap-hotel-etap-hotel-giessen-sued-west-lin/index.shtml[/url]

Happy holidays

beffen

Beffen1,

Thanks so that much and great Xmas holidays to you too !

P.S. [QUOTE=Beffen1]...easy drive to FKKW...[/QUOTE]

What is FKKW ?

[QUOTE=Beffen1]My second choice is Etap Linden- closer to World (10 minutes) easy drive to Oase. Rooms under 40. Both have nearby Mc Donalds and other places to eat or you can buy the basic breakfast for 5-8 euros at the motel. [/QUOTE]
This Etap has free wireless in the rooms as well.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Beffen1,

Thanks so that much and great Xmas holidays to you too !

P.S.

What is FKKW ?[/QUOTE]

FKKW= FKK World. And yes regnad, Etap Linden (and all Etap) also has free wifi in the room too. And I like the minestrone soup from the coffee machine as a late night hot throat treatment before bedtime. And the beautiful girls who clean the rooms LOL.

I second Beffen here; I used to stay only at hotels belonging to the Accor chain-Etap, Ibis, Mercure, mainly because I had a card membership which gave me some benefits. Following advice of some members here have recently begun to stay at B&B hotels- waaay better than Etaps, generally for 46 euros, just a few euros more. Stayed at B&B Frankfurt Nord, at one near Bochum and one at Hahn airport. Advantages- better rooms, better wifi signal, reception stays open more hours, friendlier staff.Top notch for the price, recommended.

Beffen- the girls that clean the rooms are better at B&B as well-unfortunately no twins available-LOL

Regarding hotels near World and Oase, just follow Beffen’s hints.

[QUOTE=Travelerb69]Stayed at B&B Frankfurt Nord, at one near Bochum and one at Hahn airport. Advantages- better rooms, better wifi signal, reception stays open more hours, friendlier staff.Top notch for the price, recommended.[/QUOTE]
Looking at the pictures on the B & B site, I'd agree that it's nicer than an Etap, but I'd argue, and just from pictures on a website, that the Mercures are nicer yet.

Looking at my February dates, the respective rates are:
Etap €38
B & B €46
Mercure €45.74 (Rate is for prepaid, non-refundable.)

The Mercure seems an easy choice to me, but I've only seen pictures on the web and, hence, would welcome feedback from Travelerb69 and Beffen1.

Regnad, you are right.

The B&Bs are, comparing to the Accor chain hotels, definitely superior to the Etaps, one scale below the Ibis(the Ibis vary a lot) and certainly inferior to the Mercure. The Mercure at Bad Homburg is quite expensive, but generally they have a promotion from Friday (sometimes Thursday) till Monday morning for 45 euros(used to be 42) a night-an unbeatable bargain, check at their website. I stayed there many times, very nice rooms-ask for one at the higher floors, terrific view-a nice swimming pool and sauna for free, but wi-fi is paid and breakfast is something like 15 euros extra. So the Mercure is still my first choice if at 45 euros a night, the B&B would come close as second, the Etap Giessen as third. I have also stayed at Etap Offenbach, but this is a 30 minute drive as far as Oase and 40 minutes to World, not so convenient, although I like the town of Offenbach an it is very easy to get to Frankfurt downtown.



[QUOTE=Regnad]Looking at the pictures on the B & B site, I'd agree that it's nicer than an Etap, but I'd argue, and just from pictures on a website, that the Mercures are nicer yet.

Looking at my February dates, the respective rates are:
Etap €38
B & B €46
Mercure €45.74 (Rate is for prepaid, non-refundable.)

The Mercure seems an easy choice to me, but I've only seen pictures on the web and, hence, would welcome feedback from Travelerb69 and Beffen1.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Travelerb69]but wi-fi is paid[/QUOTE]
Any idea what they charge for wi-fi? Frankly, being charged for wi-fi really rankles my ass. Paying for CIM is one thing, being nickled and dimed for wifi pushes the limit.

Ironically, (and isn't irony the strongest force in the universe anyway?), in my own back yard, Montreal, the less expensive the hotel, the less likely they are to charge for wi-fi. Go figure.

The Mercure Hotel Kongress Wetzlar is good value at the weekend and handy for World. Hotel is very comfortable with some good facilities (indoor swimming pool, sauna, spa etc)

[url]http://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-0782-mercure-hotel-kongress-wetzlar/index.shtml[/url]

I have stayed there and can recommend. Breakfast is expensive (€16 approx) but is buffet style, very comprehensive and as much as you can eat.

CD

I copy from the site of Etap:

"Mondays - Saturdays from 6.30 a.m. - 11.00 a.m. (Sundays and public holidays from 7.00 a.m. - 11.00 a.m.) and from 5.00 p.m. until 10.00 p.m.. Outside opening hours, you can check in with your credit card from midday at the Check-in Point."

I do not understand well what happens if you arrive, for example probably my case, later than 10:00pm. If reception is closed and I pay from the site, who will give me the key-card of the room ? :(

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I copy from the site of Etap:

"Mondays - Saturdays from 6.30 a.m. - 11.00 a.m. (Sundays and public holidays from 7.00 a.m. - 11.00 a.m.) and from 5.00 p.m. until 10.00 p.m.. Outside opening hours, you can check in with your credit card from midday at the Check-in Point."

I do not understand well what happens if you arrive, for example probably my case, later than 10:00pm. If reception is closed and I pay from the site, who will give me the key-card of the room ? :([/QUOTE]

Not to worry, you can check in 24 hours a day, there is an automat machine in the entrance- you input your reservation number and a credit card, and the machine will confirm and give you a number code to open the front door to the hotel and also your room. I believe B and B has the same thing.
One time (out of many many visits) the machine would not work and there is a telephone intercom to call the manager if you cannot register on the machine.

beffen

Thanks guys !

I travelled a lot, really, in my life but I never seen or listen a machine that check you in.

Ok, I guess this is due to the crisi, to save money salary for the night receptionist, but it is nicer when you have a person to meet you at the check in, especially if you drove for 8-9 hours.

I think in my case, I will first check if the telephone intercom works :D ....just kidding !

Regnad,

Same here, just like in your Montreal, at the Etaps, which are the cheapest hotels of the chain, the wi-fi is free of charge, but at the Mercures and Ibis you have to pay for it. Buy on line, with a credit card, 2 options: Vodafone, which is pretty expensive, if not mistaken 10 euros for 1 hour and 30 euros per day(better check at their web site) or T-mobile, do not remember how much for 24 hours, but pretty sure 29 euros for 30 days, since I used to make long trips this was my choice. Even if you are staying just 3 days this is the best value for your money. T-mobile allows you to access at several hot-spots as well, like in all Mc Donalds.

However, at Mercure in Bad Homburg they do have one desktop terminal available for free at the reception, if you need just to check email that will be enough, if you need it to work not suitable.

[QUOTE=Regnad]Any idea what they charge for wi-fi? Frankly, being charged for wi-fi really rankles my ass. Paying for CIM is one thing, being nickled and dimed for wifi pushes the limit.

Ironically, (and isn't irony the strongest force in the universe anyway?), in my own back yard, Montreal, the less expensive the hotel, the less likely they are to charge for wi-fi. Go figure.[/QUOTE]

Hotel Anker is a small family hotel owned by Italians near Grossen Linden (3 minutes by car from Etap Linden), so very handy if you want to head for FFKW or Oase. They serve excellent Italian pizza in their Ristorante de Francesca.

Room from 35 euros per night. Standard so-so, but clean and safe.

See more at [url]www.hotelanker-linden.de[/url].

Regnad

Beffen 1 was kind enough to recommend the B&B to me months ago

I have stayed at the Etap at Amsterdam airport a couple years ago

The one thing that stood out to me was the difference in the showers.

The Etap shower was very cramped, and the glass door had a round hand opening in the door, which allowed water to leak out all over the bedroom floor

The B&B shower was extremely spacious, and I like a big shower

Some may ask, who cares about a shower, when you will take so many this weekend.?

But that's what stood out in my mind

Just my 2 cents.

Best Regards

Smuler

[QUOTE=Beffen1]FKKW= FKK World. And yes regnad, Etap Linden (and all Etap) also has free wifi in the room too. And I like the minestrone soup from the coffee machine as a late night hot throat treatment before bedtime. And the beautiful girls who clean the rooms LOL.[/QUOTE]


Another free service at the ETAPs is the wonderful sounds of guys banging girls at all hours of the day and night. Very thin walls.

I also find early checkin to be a problem. Sometimes the machines don't work at 12:00. Even when the reception is open, they either won't check you in because the rooms are not ready or the receptionist is too lazy to make changes in the system because they are setup for checkin at 12:00.

I know this has probably been covered somewhere already, but I just can't find it.

Can you buy viagra, levitra, etc in Germany without a prescription?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Gaucho 74]I know this has probably been covered somewhere already, but I just can't find it.

Can you buy viagra, levitra, etc in Germany without a prescription?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
Viagra is available @ the 1hr Platz located in the main train station in Frankfurt.

[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Viagra is available @ the 1hr Platz located in the main train station in Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]

Hi Vito,

Do you mean it is available here without a 'script? This would truely surprise me as I can not even buy a simple antibiotic cream here in Germany without a doctor signing for it.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hi Vito,

Do you mean it is available here without a 'script? This would truely surprise me as I can not even buy a simple antibiotic cream here in Germany without a doctor signing for it.

AM[/QUOTE]No, Vito is being his usual childish self. He thinks posting misinformation is funny.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hi Vito,

Do you mean it is available here without a 'script? This would truely surprise me as I can not even buy a simple antibiotic cream here in Germany without a doctor signing for it.

AM[/QUOTE]


Vito's pulling your leg. Don't be so gullible.

I am here tried to put the right address of Oase in my Tomtom, actually it found only Friedrichsdorf and not Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, does it matter ?


Maybe somebody kindly has the right longitude and latitude of Oase and World just to be more sure ?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Lukasek]I am here tried to put the right address of Oase in my Tomtom, actually it found only Friedrichsdorf and not Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, does it matter ?

Maybe somebody kindly has the right longitude and latitude of Oase and World just to be more sure ?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

No that is ok,
Ober-Erlenbacher Straße 109
61381 Friedrichsdorf, Germany
(+50° 14' 38.14", +8° 40' 31.78")

The city is Friedrichsdorf. Burgholzhausen vor der Höhe is a "Stadtteil/quarter" of Friedrichsdorf. In East Germany you will find a city with name Burgholzhausen.

Your Tomtom will find the Ober-Erlenbacher Straße, mine did!

Regards,
Big30

Thanks very much Big30 for explanation, so if I put correctly from Hotel Etap Linden ( GPS-Koordinaten:N 50° 32' 18.72'' E 8° 39' 5.58'' ) to World are 11,9km and from Etap to Oase 41,8 km ? Is it correct ?

P.S. as it seems probably obvious I bought my first GPS yesterday and I am still learning how to use it :)

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Thanks very much Big30 for explanation, so if I put correctly from Hotel Etap Linden ( GPS-Koordinaten:N 50° 32' 18.72'' E 8° 39' 5.58'' ) to World are 11,9km and from Etap to Oase 41,8 km ? Is it correct ?

P.S. as it seems probably obvious I bought my first GPS yesterday and I am still learning how to use it :)[/QUOTE]

100 % correct!

I also use Tomtom, was many times in Etap Linden and then drove to Oase or World with my Tomtom! There is actually also a shorter route to World (8.9 km's using the L3129 but in time will take a few minutes more).

Note: with Tomtom you can also look for I think in English it is called "special destinations" there you will find hotels, restaurant, shoppings mals, hospitals, gaz stations etc. (No FKK's!)

Regards,
Big30

[QUOTE=Big30]100 % correct!
[/QUOTE]

Great ! I feel much better ;)

Yep, point of interests and there is night clubs options, but no sure if Tomtom will show FKK LOL

Thanks and have a nice time.

Here's another alternative. Simply type "fkk oase" into Google maps. It will take you right there.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Great ! I feel much better ;)

Yep, point of interests and there is night clubs options, but no sure if Tomtom will show FKK LOL

Thanks and have a nice time.[/QUOTE]

Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.

[QUOTE=Wassab]Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.[/QUOTE]Logistics are quite possible. If traveling by train, you will need to go to Giessen and get a cab. [url]www.bahn.de[/url] has English language information as do the ticket machines. By rental car, get a GPS. If you want to go old school on directions, use [url]www.viamichelin.com[/url] .

[QUOTE=Wassab]Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's logistically possible but only if you have a rental car to do it. No problem getting from FRA to World on Saturday morning, but getting from World to Cologne- Bonn airport early Sunday morning is a challenge. It would take between 90 minutes to 2 hours by car depending on road conditions. It's virtually impossible to do by public transportation at that early hour, unless you leave World much earlier in the evening and it would still be a very long and tiring trip.

In any case not a recommended itinerary. Your best bet is indeed Samya, which you can get to via public transportation from FRA airport, and from the club to CGN airport, it's only a 10 minute taxi ride.

Buddy. If I were you Id concentrate on visiting one club, as previously suggested (I. E. Samya) and the only way to do that given your arrival and departure times is by hire car. You will also need a sat nav to guide you to your destination as you don't have time to be wasting. Directions to Samya can be found on their website. Use the website directions in combination with google maps and you should get a good idea where you need to go. Depending on where you are coming from, you may also need to allow for a hotel room, so you can get some shut eye! Personally I am not a fan of this type of dash visit as it can be more trouble and bothersome than it is worth, specially if you are flying in and out from different airports! Seems a bit stupid to be honest.

[QUOTE=Wassab]Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Well, it's logistically possible but only if you have a rental car to do it. No problem getting from FRA to World on Saturday morning, but getting from World to Cologne- Bonn airport early Sunday morning is a challenge. It would take between 90 minutes to 2 hours by car depending on road conditions. It's virtually impossible to do by public transportation at that early hour, unless you leave World much earlier in the evening and it would still be a very long and tiring trip.

In any case not a recommended itinerary. Your best bet is indeed Samya, which you can get to via public transportation from FRA airport, and from the club to CGN airport, it's only a 10 minute taxi ride.[/QUOTE]Iseeu,

Thank you for being up front with the situation. Too bad World is situated off the S-bahn. Hypothetically speaking, if I would to get to World early like high noon and leave around 20:00, can I make to Koln by train? Just want to know how far I can push the limit on reaching World. If too risky, then I will just get World off my mind and enjoy the company of the women at Samya.

TIA

I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.

If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.

If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.

My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?

Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?

The best option it seems is to acquire a car from SIXT at the lower German resident cost.

Hope this thread leads us to future car savings!

RW

[QUOTE=Wassab]Iseeu,

Thank you for being up front with the situation. Too bad World is situated off the S-bahn. Hypothetically speaking, if I would to get to World early like high noon and leave around 20:00, can I make to Koln by train? Just want to know how far I can push the limit on reaching World. If too risky, then I will just get World off my mind and enjoy the company of the women at Samya.

TIA[/QUOTE]
To get to CGN airport for an early morning flight, you'll need to leave World by 7:30 p.m., and spend upwards of 6 hours on 4 different modes of transportation. You can check it out on the Die Bahn English website [url]http://www.bahn.com/i/view/DEU/en/index.shtml[/url].

Did I say not recommended? It's not risky- just stupid. The plentiful pleasures of World are just not worth that type of dedication especially when you can be spending those valuable hours, free of stress, in the arms of a NordRhein-Westfalia based fraulein.

Use the same website to plan your travel from FRA airport to Samya. Enjoy, and let us know how it goes...

[QUOTE=Rwaters]I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.

If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.

If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.

My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?[/QUOTE]I would give it a try - I did the same at Europcar for my American relatives claiming they are German residents and they never had a problem.[QUOTE]Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?[/QUOTE]Hahn Airport (HHN) is about 120 km / 75 miles out of Frankfurt in the middle of nowhere. Not recommended.

Besides, SIXTI is a low-cost rental with strict conditions and hidden fees (changes of pick-up and drop-off times can be costly, you have to clean the car yourself or pay an extra fee, etc.)

[QUOTE]The best option it seems is to acquire a car from SIXT at the lower German resident cost.[/QUOTE]Check out Eurpocar, ususally (but nor always) slightly cheaper than Sixt.

[QUOTE=Xxcite]I would give it a try - I did the same at Europcar for my American relatives claiming they are German residents and they never had a problem.

Hahn Airport (HHN) is about 120 km / 75 miles out of Frankfurt in the middle of nowhere. Not recommended.

Besides, SIXTI is a low-cost rental with strict conditions and hidden fees (changes of pick-up and drop-off times can be costly, you have to clean the car yourself or pay an extra fee, etc.)

Check out Eurpocar, ususally (but nor always) slightly cheaper than Sixt.[/QUOTE]When I use Hertz when visiting Germany I tend to use [url]www.hertz.de[/url] and give a German address which is the hotel that I am staying at. It seems to work since the Hertz desk at Frankfurt am Main airport have never ask me to prove that I live at that address or prove German language skills.

Rwaters, Frankfurt Hahn and Frankfurt am Main airports are two separate airports which are quite far apart. Xxcite has correctly pointed out the distance between the two is inconvenient. To be sure, are you flying into Hahn airport or are you flying into the Frankfurt am Main airport?

If you are flying into Hahn I would suggest that you take the bus into Frankfurt since the bus cost is a little cheaper than the car hire cost and petrol for the same distance. Pick up a hire car when in Frankfurt. a bit more fluffing about but saves you a bit of euro which I think you are trying to do.

I have not used Europcar. I should try them out. I have only ever used Hertz and Sixt for rental cars.

Cheers,

A good source for train timetables in the FRA area, to see how frequently and when the trains run.

[url]http://www.rmv.de/auskunft/bin/jp/stboard.exe/en?L=vs_rmv&newrequest=yes&[/url]

I wonder if it is possible to bring a women into FKK club and she could play with me withe the working girls. Is this possible? In all clubs or just some?

Most visitors to FKK seem to be short term, that is they are there for 2 or fewer days. For them, all they need is a hotel to sleep and a FKK for everything else. Last spring I visited both Palace and Oase in the Frankfurt area for one week. I am going again for two weeks this April. A visit of this duration requires more than just FKK food. Data here on available quality places in and around Frankfurt is limited and somewhat dated.

Based upon info that I found last year I had a stellar visit. I would like to repeat that, so I will note the names of places I was either referred to or found on my own.

Qualifications to get listed: be easy to locate, be reasonably priced, with quality product, friendly staff.

I would like to share my list and [U]ask others to contribute[/U] to it. Thank You in advance.

If you think this would be better posted to the General Info., Palace or Oase threads, please feel free to let me know and I'll repost.

In no particular order:
-Pizzeria Ristorante Da Michelle, [url]http://www.restaurant-damichele.de[/url] on Gutleutstrasse just past Schleusenstrasse (fine dining);
-O'Reilly's Fine Irish Pub, [url]http://www.oreillys.nl[/url] corner of Baseler Str and Muncheer Str across from the Hauptbahnof;
-Franz-Gobel at Moselstrasse 19 ( [url]http://www.fleischerei-goebel.de/[/url] )(deli / coffee shop);
-Acapulco, [url]http://www.acapulco-frankfurt.de[/url] on Kaiserstrasse near Moselstrasse, (sports bar, pizzeria)

Note: You'll probably see a trend here - I'm staying near the Hauptbahnhof and want to walk to these places. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Chesaning]I wonder if it is possible to bring a women into FKK club and she could play with me withe the working girls. Is this possible? In all clubs or just some?[/QUOTE]
A regular contributor around here called [b]Shiatsu[/b] used to take his fair lady [b]Cordelia[/b] to some of the FKKs (eg, World or Oase?) and eventually she joined the staff and worked there for occasional spells (and maybe still does?).

If you do a search of his posts going back a few years you may get some of the information you require.

Seeing as the working girls themselves have to pay the entrance fee like everybody else (for legal reasons) I'd imagine it's OK at least in some FKKs although the reaction of some of the house girls to an "amateur" in their midst might be a different matter.

Also expect to pay the double the fee if you have "lift-off" as any agreeable girl will regard you (yourself and your GF) as just another 2 clients...

[QUOTE=Myrmidon] Note: You'll probably see a trend here - I'm staying near the Hauptbahnhof and want to walk to these places. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Try the old part of the city next time. Aldstadt or something like that is called.
Some nice places there too. Not too far from Hauptbahnhof. Only 2-3 stations on the S line if I remember correctly.

[QUOTE=El Greco]Try the old part of the city next time. Aldstadt or something like that is called.
Some nice places there too. Not too far from Hauptbahnhof. Only 2-3 stations on the S line if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]

I believe you are referring to a small area in Sachsenhausen (part of Frankfurt "on the other side of the river"). From Hbf on the S-bahn it is 5 stops towards Frankfurt Sud, get off at Localbahhof and walk 5 mins.

[QUOTE=Ortos]I believe you are referring to a small area in Sachsenhausen (part of Frankfurt "on the other side of the river"). From Hbf on the S-bahn it is 5 stops towards Frankfurt Sud, get off at Localbahhof and walk 5 mins.[/QUOTE]

I think that's the place. It has been a long time since I was there. I used to get off at Hauptwache walk towards Konstablewache doing my shopping there and then walk around that area over the bridge late afternoon on a nice day.

Thanks for correcting me Ortos.

Hello,

I've been in a couple of sauna-clubs and FKK: s but couldn't find what I really want:

I like mature, west european women. In a couple of days I'll be traveling to the area of Duisburg, Moers, Dusseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Mönchengladbach, Köln and would appreciate some suggestions for clubs where I might find mature, western european looking women (age between 40-50). Offcourse I'm not in to uggly looking women I might add but whos is *LOL*. Is there any special club in this area to meet this category of women?

Regards,

Ladiesfan