Monterrey

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Yesterday at the Infinito both afternoon and night shifts were needed to get a decent number of girls on the floor of the club and they were needed cause the club was full.
I had to wait till 9 pm for my night shift girl to appear whilst lucky WastedG had all his manifest present and accounted.



[QUOTE=Doubt98]I just returned from Monterrey and Carlos is correct. The talent pool is small. There are still hot ones to be found, but ALL the girls were in great demand. I saw one girl at the Matehuala try four times to get on stage but was picked up before she could climb the steps.
The girls were busy and were not willing to negotiate. But why should they when it's like this. I knew the situation before I left but this was the only free time I had.[/QUOTE]

And today was absolutely dead. There's about 10% attendance. Both customers and girls. One of our mutual lady-friends "In" (Carlos’ angry one) kept me company for a little while then I decided it is time to return to my hotel since I have my "X" girl coming over for the night.

Last night was extremely fun for me. I was taking my "X" out and decided to get her another girl as my new year's gift to her. She chose one that I had the hots for but never took out. To make the story short, I never knew how fixable my body was until last night. The girls fell in love with each other and I almost blew my top off.

Then returned with them to the “I” place and stayed until 4 am. Not a single dull moment with them lovelies (as Happy George would say)

I still love how the girls in the booths call out my name when I go upstairs. I can not see them too well so I do not know who is calling. But it’s like a man’s fantasy “where everybody knows your name”

Happy New Year All.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Yesterday at the Infinito both afternoon and night shifts were needed to get a decent number of girls on the floor of the club and they were needed cause the club was full.
I had to wait till 9 pm for my night shift girl to appear whilst lucky WastedG had all his manifest present and accounted.[/QUOTE]

if you guys recall our discussion on bringing back smurf pills back into he us. i was caught once, ages ago, but let go and kept my pills. lately and during my last couple of trips, the immigration officer would hand me a brown folder, sticks my passport in it and directs me to a special room where they would casually interrogate me. nothing scary but definitely annoying.

last couple of trips, i asked the officer why they have me here, again? he says "you've been here before?" yes, and for no reason. the 'honest' officer said he would put a note in my file so they would not bother me again. one time i stopped there for 5 hours returning back from tj even before the v pills incident. turns out they had me envisaged all the way up to washington d.c.

in tj, one immigration officer started cleaning a fan with a napkin. with all the dust still on the fan, he preceded to pint the fan at me and just about o turn it on so all the dust would blow back at me. i yelled “what the hell are you doing dude?” he goes “oh, so now you can speak english, ha? i will give me garbage just like you mexicans bring us your garbage.” another officer nudges him and say, “idiot, he is a us citizen.” turned out the confused me with another mexican who was there as well.

yesterday, i had to visit the immigration office again, as the officer pulls out the brown folder, i say "again?"

as i waited in the 'special' room, they were making phone calls asking why the hell was i sent to them. they would say something like mr. soandso has been referred to us but he should not have been or something to that extent. my attitude was extremely casual. i was singing mana’s “labios compartidos”. i had nothing to worry about and this may have driven them crazy too. my record is propably cleaner than any of the officers there. i have nothing against me.

finally, what seems to be a very gentle officer, or he acted like he was, asks to follow him. as we made out way through customs, he asked me if i am bringing any prescription drugs 'again'. “hell no”, i said. any live or dead animals? no, any other junk, i said the only thing i bring back with me was the air that i breathed and the dust on my shoes.

so he walks me out and says 'welcome back, sir'.

that's when i stopped him and asked why the heck am i being stopped, twice, especially since the last officer said he would put a note in my file so they would not bother me again, he said "the prescription drug story came up again".

the lady who stopped me the first time way back said she would let me go and she let me keep my vitamins. but she also said if she confirep001ed them, i would be marked for life and i would be searched every time i return to the us. bullshit.

i asked the officer if i could get a copy of my record. he says i cannot tell you what's in your file but there is nothing bad. however, the freedom act thingy allows me to request a copy of my file. he gave me a sheet of paper with instructions about how to file a request. no need. i now know what they’re looking for.

i will buy them in mty and keep them there from now on. it is not worth the 5 minutes delay they put me through. especially since i am not blond with blue eyes.

every single page of my passport has at least 4 méxico entry stamps and the same for us stamps. i was asked once if i lived in mexico. i wish i did.

another previous stop was in san antonio. the officer claimed he was doing a survey. right. he searched every item n my bags. nothing.

oh yeah, they also asked me, every time, if i meat anyone down there, as soon as i say, “carlos”, they handcuffed me... not. (just kidding)

is this trouble worth 3 or 8 days in mty? for all i care, they can hold me for 24 hours as long as i get to feast on my “s”, “p”, “j”, “?”, “n” and my “x”, who else? oh yean, the new “b”/ i know i have more but can not keep track. this will give me time to plan my next trip.

wasted

[quote=commonglass]what's the best place to pick up some vitamin v (viagra)? i'd prefer something close to matehuala, but can be flexible if necessary. late hours would be another bonus.

thanks!

tyson[/quote]

am gonna quote roxanna from the i place: sucio!!!


[quote=wastedgman]if you guys recall our discussion on bringing back smurf pills back into he us. i was caught once, ages ago, but let go and kept my pills. lately and during my last couple of trips, the immigration officer would hand me a brown folder, sticks my passport in it and directs me to a special room where they would casually interrogate me. nothing scary but definitely annoying.

last couple of trips, i asked the officer why they have me here, again? he says "you've been here before?" yes, and for no reason. the 'honest' officer said he would put a note in my file so they would not bother me again. one time i stopped there for 5 hours returning back from tj even before the v pills incident. turns out they had me envisaged all the way up to washington d.c.

in tj, one immigration officer started cleaning a fan with a napkin. with all the dust still on the fan, he preceded to pint the fan at me and just about o turn it on so all the dust would blow back at me. i yelled “what the hell are you doing dude?” he goes “oh, so now you can speak english, ha? i will give me garbage just like you mexicans bring us your garbage.” another officer nudges him and say, “idiot, he is a us citizen.” turned out the confused me with another mexican who was there as well.

yesterday, i had to visit the immigration office again, as the officer pulls out the brown folder, i say "again?"

as i waited in the 'special' room, they were making phone calls asking why the hell was i sent to them. they would say something like mr. soandso has been referred to us but he should not have been or something to that extent. my attitude was extremely casual. i was singing mana’s “labios compartidos”. i had nothing to worry about and this may have driven them crazy too. my record is propably cleaner than any of the officers there. i have nothing against me.

finally, what seems to be a very gentle officer, or he acted like he was, asks to follow him. as we made out way through customs, he asked me if i am bringing any prescription drugs 'again'. “hell no”, i said. any live or dead animals? no, any other junk, i said the only thing i bring back with me was the air that i breathed and the dust on my shoes.

so he walks me out and says 'welcome back, sir'.

that's when i stopped him and asked why the heck am i being stopped, twice, especially since the last officer said he would put a note in my file so they would not bother me again, he said "the prescription drug story came up again".

the lady who stopped me the first time way back said she would let me go and she let me keep my vitamins. but she also said if she confirep001ed them, i would be marked for life and i would be searched every time i return to the us. bullshit.

i asked the officer if i could get a copy of my record. he says i cannot tell you what's in your file but there is nothing bad. however, the freedom act thingy allows me to request a copy of my file. he gave me a sheet of paper with instructions about how to file a request. no need. i now know what they’re looking for.

i will buy them in mty and keep them there from now on. it is not worth the 5 minutes delay they put me through. especially since i am not blond with blue eyes.

every single page of my passport has at least 4 méxico entry stamps and the same for us stamps. i was asked once if i lived in mexico. i wish i did.

another previous stop was in san antonio. the officer claimed he was doing a survey. right. he searched every item n my bags. nothing.

oh yeah, they also asked me, every time, if i meat anyone down there, as soon as i say, “carlos”, they handcuffed me... not. (just kidding)

is this trouble worth 3 or 8 days in mty? for all i care, they can hold me for 24 hours as long as i get to feast on my “s”, “p”, “j”, “?”, “n” and my “x”, who else? oh yean, the new “b”/ i know i have more but can not keep track. this will give me time to plan my next trip.

wasted[/quote]

Que le vamos a hacer
Si la vida es así
Le aposte todo a tus besos
Y así todo lo perdí
No me pidas perdón
Que ni tú te lo crees
Esas lágrimas son falsas
Como falso fue tu amor
Pero no me digas nada
Que el tonto he sido yo
Si la luna no es de queso
Ni las nubes de algodón
Para que seguir con cuentos
Con amores de ficción
Si tu boca no es de fresa
Ni en tus ojos sale el sol
Mentirosa, traicionera
Y yo que daba por ti la vida entera
Mentirosa, embustera
Basta ya de tantos gritos
Este cuento se acabo

Para que decir más
Si todo termino
Todo lo que sube baja
Todo lo que viene va
No me pidas perdón
Que ni tú te lo crees
Vete por donde llegaste
Y ojala te vaya bien
Pero no me digas nada
Que el tonto he sido yo
Si la luna no es de queso
Ni las nubes de algodón
Para que seguir con cuentos
Con amores de ficción
Si tu boca no es de fresa
Ni en tus ojos sale el sol
Mentirosa, traicionera
Y yo que daba por ti la vida entera
Mentirosa, embustera
Basta ya de tantos gritos
Este cuento se acabo

Mentirosa, traicionera
Y yo que daba por ti la vida entera
Mentirosa, embustera
Yo contigo no regresó aunque me muera
Mentirosa, traicionera
Y yo que daba por ti la vida entera
Mentirosa, embustera
Basta de tantos gritos
Este cuento se acabo

Thank you Elefante.

Wasted

I visited MTY this past weekend. Thanks to everyone who provided all the info for a successful journey. It's only an $88 bus ride (round-trip) from here to there. I arrived early Friday morning. The clerk at the PDA told the that there were no rooms available even though I had called the day before and was assured there were plenty of rooms. Even better, because Fastos was better and $10 cheaper. It took me about 12 hours to find the "I" that was just under my nose. My taxi told me the clubs were 10 blocks North when in fact they were 4 blocks east. "I" was packed on Friday night when I arrived, so I visited Tangalay. I had a great time there, but my understanding of "great time" is realative to my experiences in other places. As I found out later, I had a greater time on Sat and Sun. I have never seen anything like MTY. You guys are saying that the numbers are down and the scale is low because of the holiday? I cannot wait to return when the numbers and the scale is up. Dios Mio! Thanks for all the info. I cannot wait to return. [QUOTE=UnospongeBob]It sounds like WastedG must have had a bad time this weekend then. Well, I would never actually believe that MTY would yield a bad time, but when you are used to having outstanding experiences like WastedG is used to having, a 60% reduction in the talent pool has to be a shocker, verdad?

I would not recommend going to MTY during the holiday season. Many of these girls are from outside of MTY. Some are from far outside of MTY. Many of them return to their home towns for the holidays to visit family members that have NO IDEA what they do for a living, and only see them once or twice a year. So, it seems to me after having talked to a number of the girls over the years, that the girls take this opportunity to live a relatively "normal" family life existence, at least for a couple of weeks each year anyway.[/QUOTE]

Ken Tucky,

Great to hear you had a good time in MTY. You mentioned that you have "never seen anything like Monterrey." We try to tell people this all the time, and we are regularly rebuffed by the skeptics, especially by guys who regularly visit TJ and have no direct knowledge of Monterrey.

I am always simultaneously eager, while also equally hesitant, to publicly sing the praises of Monterrey on the boards, fearing that hords of Gringos will eventually find there way to Monterrey and spoil our little corner of heaven. So, while I fear the worst, I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut about it. When I find something that good, I just can't keep my mouth shut!

KT, do you have experience in other places? If so, please elaborate so we know your frame of reference. I alway like to hear from guys who try MTY for the first time but also have experience in other venues, especially experience in other places like the PI, Thailand, Indonesia, Costa Rica, Columbia, etc..., places that are austensibly better than Mexico, and by association, Monterrey.

I also enjoy hearing the comparison between TJ and Monterrey from guys that have visited both venues. If you only have experience in the USA, then nothing in the US will compare, period.

MTY will effect you like a drug the first time. If you overdose on MTY, you will surely die, if not literally, then figuratively, even from a short period of seperation :-) You can't eat just one...get it? You'll be back, like a magnet and steel.

[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]I visited MTY this past weekend. Thanks to everyone who provided all the info for a successful journey. It's only an $88 bus ride (round-trip) from here to there. I arrived early Friday morning. The clerk at the PDA told the that there were no rooms available even though I had called the day before and was assured there were plenty of rooms. Even better, because Fastos was better and $10 cheaper. It took me about 12 hours to find the "I" that was just under my nose. My taxi told me the clubs were 10 blocks North when in fact they were 4 blocks east. "I" was packed on Friday night when I arrived, so I visited Tangalay. I had a great time there, but my understanding of "great time" is realative to my experiences in other places. As I found out later, I had a greater time on Sat and Sun. I have never seen anything like MTY. You guys are saying that the numbers are down and the scale is low because of the holiday? I cannot wait to return when the numbers and the scale is up. Dios Mio! Thanks for all the info. I cannot wait to return.[/QUOTE]

Well, my experience? Hmmm. I lived in Louisville, Kentucky for about 8 years. The clubs and "spas" there were pretty liberal. Especially the asian spas. $100 could get you anything you wanted there. I was in Lima a couple of years ago. There was some "activitiy" there but nothing as consentrated as MTY. Just within a 5 block area of my hotel there in MTY was endless "opportunities". Even during a holiday weekend! I enjoyed the "street girls" selling their "quartos"; I also loved the masajes. The variety of chicas in those places was crazy. Bob, I would like to know the "special features" of PDA? I got thrown out of Tangalay on Sunday night because the girl was all over me. She would not stop kissing me and feeling me up. After one hour she was talking marriage and introducing me to her family. Just like you said. I kept spending money on her and finally they showed me the door. Is that the reason Infinito is better? The one girl at Infinito that I took upstairs let me do anything I wanted and I just called her off the stage during the "cattle call" time. I had never talked to her or anything. Just a crook of my finger and then she said. Que quieres? Anyways, I could talk about this forever. Bob, I relied a lot on your posts for my info. Thanks! By the way, I did not see very many gringos at all during my visit. I do not think there is going to be a big influx anytime soon. MTY is a place that you have to go to, not a place on the way to anywhere. Anyways, thanks.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Ken Tucky,

Great to hear you had a good time in MTY. You mentioned that you have "never seen anything like Monterrey." We try to tell people this all the time, and we are regularly rebuffed by the skeptics, especially by guys who regularly visit TJ and have no direct knowledge of Monterrey.

I am always simultaneously eager, while also equally hesitant, to publicly sing the praises of Monterrey on the boards, fearing that hords of Gringos will eventually find there way to Monterrey and spoil our little corner of heaven. So, while I fear the worst, I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut about it. When I find something that good, I just can't keep my mouth shut!

KT, do you have experience in other places? If so, please elaborate so we know your frame of reference. I alway like to hear from guys who try MTY for the first time but also have experience in other venues, especially experience in other places like the PI, Thailand, Indonesia, Costa Rica, Columbia, etc..., places that are austensibly better than Mexico, and by association, Monterrey.

I also enjoy hearing the comparison between TJ and Monterrey from guys that have visited both venues. If you only have experience in the USA, then nothing in the US will compare, period.

MTY will effect you like a drug the first time. If you overdose on MTY, you will sure die, if not literally, then figuratively, even from a short period of seperation :-) You can't eat just one...get it? You'll be back, like a magnet and steel.[/QUOTE]

Mmmm
Both WastedG and me were there at the Infinito... sorry we missed you.
Yes, the Infinito is on a straight line from the Fastos and beware of taxi drivers in the sense that they will play dumb, say they don't know where the club is and take you to clubs where they get kickbacks.
And yes, many girls were no there this weekend, including Tangalay and all the rest of the SCs.
The girls opt for a well deserved vacation, as we should also...



[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]I visited MTY this past weekend. Thanks to everyone who provided all the info for a successful journey. It's only an $88 bus ride (round-trip) from here to there. I arrived early Friday morning. The clerk at the PDA told the that there were no rooms available even though I had called the day before and was assured there were plenty of rooms. Even better, because Fastos was better and $10 cheaper. It took me about 12 hours to find the "I" that was just under my nose. My taxi told me the clubs were 10 blocks North when in fact they were 4 blocks east. "I" was packed on Friday night when I arrived, so I visited Tangalay. I had a great time there, but my understanding of "great time" is realative to my experiences in other places. As I found out later, I had a greater time on Sat and Sun. I have never seen anything like MTY. You guys are saying that the numbers are down and the scale is low because of the holiday? I cannot wait to return when the numbers and the scale is up. Dios Mio! Thanks for all the info. I cannot wait to return.[/QUOTE]

Carlos,

Sorry I missed you guys. I would have loved to hung with you. Lord knows I tried to find some compadres. Next trip I'll let you know I'm on my way and try to hook up. I'm still curious about the attraction at PDA? I went there 3 times and talked with the desk clerks. Orlando was never there, so I did not get the low down. Is there action there? hmmm, I have had very sweet dreams this week. Thanks for all the info.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Mmmm

Both WastedG and me were there at the Infinito. Sorry we missed you.

Yes, the Infinito is on a straight line from the Fastos and beware of taxi drivers in the sense that they will play dumb, say they don't know where the club is and take you to clubs where they get kickbacks.

And yes, mO\any girls were no there this weekend, including Tangalay and all the rest of the SCs.

The girls opt for a well deserved vacation, as we should also...[/QUOTE]

Ken, please be aware that the Plaza del Arco is just a normal hotel, one that is adequate and well place for mongering.
Do not even think for a second there is action there.
I am openly and with all due respect going to tell you, do not even try to hit on the girls at the front desk or you might ruin one of the few remaining girl friendly hotels here in Monterrey (there are no more than 4 now).




[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]Carlos,

Sorry I missed you guys. I would have loved to hung with you. Lord knows I tried to find some compadres. Next trip I'll let you know I'm on my way and try to hook up. I'm still curious about the attraction at PDA? I went there 3 times and talked with the desk clerks. Orlando was never there, so I did not get the low down. Is there action there? hmmm, I have had very sweet dreams this week. Thanks for all the info.[/QUOTE]

I recently received a private message request to elaborate my thoughts about Monterrey, and how it stacks up in comparison to other venues. I think there are a few issues that might need clarification to help everyone understand the scene in Monterrey.

Monterrey is a totally different mongering venue than Pattaya, Thailand, or AC, Philippines, etc... Even TJ, Mexico, is a totally different kind of environment than MTY. All of the aforementioned places are "in your face." Everybody understands why you're there. They accomodate our activities regardless of whether we choose to flaunt them or not.

Fact is, those venues, are solely based on mongering. That is NOT the case in Monterrey. It is a much more "underground" kind of thing. So, please keep that foremost in your mind if you're planning to visit Monterrey. Otherwise, you may be significantly disappointed. With the scene being "underground" comes additional responsibility on our parts. It requires you to conduct yourself with significantly more discretion than what we may be used to in other venues.

Five years ago, PDA was just another privately owned downtown hotel, one that was relatively obscure, fighting for its survival, thankful to have guests, vacancies usually available, even on weekends, etc...

That has all changed!

Five years ago, there was significantly less objection at PDA to our kinds of activities going on there. At one point, the desk clerk was actually pimping girls. But, even then, it was only late at night, and it was done with considerable secrecy. He did not flaunt it in any way. He was very discrete, and he only offered the service if he knew you.

After PDA merged with Proxima Hotels, they experienced significant growth after the merger. Needless to say, shortly after the merger, the pimping desk clerk was history. They began to make a conscious effort to maintain a more legitimized image.

Don't misunderstand, their public image was always legitimized, and there was always an effort to maintain a "clean" image with respect to their reputation. These days, they're marketing plan is even stricter than five years ago, with much more "family oriented," marketing ( ie: families, kids, college functions, high schools, business travelers, even numerous female business travelers, etc...)

I have to admit that I'm fearful that if we're all not EXTREMELY discrete at PDA, we will have one less clean, comfortable, reasonably priced (?), "accomodating," GFE hotel to rely on.

Orlando is a savy dude, and I believe he will permit us to continue these activities, but only if we DO NOT threaten the image of his hotel. At this juncture, on very rare occassion, a girl that you might see in the hallway in passing, will make a pass for the obvious reasons. But, that's a VERY, VERY, RARE occurence these days, and it's certainly nothing that is sanctioned by PDA, nor is it promoted by them.

It is very important that I make something very clear. Orlando is strictly a legitimate businessman. He will assist you logistically in any way. But, he might actually be offended at anyone openly soliciting him about our kinds of activities. Such an occurrence may even put him on notice that it's time for him to clamp down.

Frankly, certain ones of us would not probably be bothered, myself, WastedG, Mr. L, Carlos, etc... We are known to Orlando, and we would undoubtedly receive special consideration. Afterall, we would be "grandfathered," as it were.

But, those of you coming to MTY in the future might find a very different reaction to your desire to bring girls to your room. So, use the utmost discretion in Monterrey, whether you choose to stay at PDA or not.

All the hotels in MTY are going to see your activities in the same way, and the clerks and security staff do not want their jobs on the line.

As for the girls at the desk, in the past, there have been a couple of girls working there that are attractive, cute, friendly, funny, helpful, etc...I have a few girls there that are friends, and some of them may even suspect that I am up to something on my visits to MTY...they aren't stupid...but...

They do not have any direct knowledge of my activities. I am very discrete. The desk girls are all legitimate working girls. If they do suspect the nature of my true reason for being in MTY, it is because they have normal female suspicions, but most of them have no direct knowledge that I am up to anything. There have been a few that work the night shift that have seen me bring a girl back, but I have made friends of them. Certainly, they know what I'm up to, but they have accepted the "Dumb Gringo."

They have always acted friendly toward me, but I believe it's strictly because they've known me a long time, and I've formed friendships with them. Plus they know they will never, ever, recieve another homemade cookie were they to treat me badly. So, I am virtually untouchable...just kidding. They have accepted me per se. But, were I to flaunt my activities, I suspect their attitudes toward me would change significantly.

Frankly, it's one reason I changed hotels. I was becoming too well known for my own comfort level. Enough time has passed now that I would probably be virtually unknown to most of the desk girls on duty during the day, except for the office staff. I changed hotels primarily because the majority of the staff at PDA is primarily female at night. WastedG says I should come back, but Orlando would probably have to put on male night clerks in order for me to consider making a change back to PDA at this juncture.

So, I changed hotels about a year ago. I prefer to sneak girlfriends past a male night clerk and up to my room than to suffer the walk of shame in front of a twenty year old girl, even if she is a friend of mine. But, even then, even if I were to take a girlfriend past a female night clerk, I would be extremely discrete. I don't want any of them to get any heat over allowing my kinds of activities.

As Carlos mentioned, there are a handful of "accepting" hotels in MTY. Frankly, with most of the hotels that are similar in type and size to PDA, I suspect you could sneak a girl past the night clerks, and if done discretely, I doubt you would have a problem doing it one time. But, if you try that night after night, wild orgies, two or three girls at a time, two or three girls a day, similar to what you get away with in Pattaya or AC, you will NOT be welcome in the hotels of MTY. Just a word to the wise.

[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]Carlos,

Sorry I missed you guys. I would have loved to hung with you. Lord knows I tried to find some compadres. Next trip I'll let you know I'm on my way and try to hook up. I'm still curious about the attraction at PDA? I went there 3 times and talked with the desk clerks. Orlando was never there, so I did not get the low down. Is there action there? hmmm, I have had very sweet dreams this week. Thanks for all the info.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry that I scared you guys. What is that: "Dicretion is the first part of valour?" I am a sophisticated businessman. I would not bring a woman back to my hotel for any reason. I just read all the stuff you guys wrote on here and "assumed" there was something at the PDA that I was missing. I guess I am missing it, but only because I do not have a long-term relationship with those guys. I never inquired about any extra "services" from anyone at PDA, just went there to see what you guys "attraction" was for the place. Frankly, I'm really happy at Fastos. The girls on the street or masajes have all the "facilities" I would need. After all you do not pay them for their services, you pay them to leave. I know that there is no way there could ever be any "future" with any of those girls. To think otherwise is a big mistake. Like you (Bob) have pointed out, most are unstable on a number of different levels. I am a privileged man to have found such a place as MTY. Not many men find such a place ever in this life. I will be as discrete as possible, but I will not let any girl or any club take me for a dumb gringo. i.e. take advantage of me. After all, the prices in MTY are comparable to what it costs here in the states. The overall services are better in MTY. But still, IF they are going to charge comparable prices, I will not be tricked or conned. Thanks for the time you spent explaining the PDA situation Bob. I kinda assumed that was the case.[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I recently received a private message request to elaborate my thoughts about Monterrey, and how it stacks up in comparison to other venues. I think there are a few issues that might need clarification to help everyone understand the scene in Monterrey.

Monterrey is a totally different mongering venue than Pattaya, Thailand, or AC, Philippines, etc..a. Even TJ, Mexico, is a totally different kind of environment than MTY. All of the aforementioned places are "in your face." Everybody understands why you're there. They accomodate our activities regardless of whether we choose to flaunt them or not.

Fact is, those venues, are solely based on mongering. That is NOT the case in Monterrey. It is a much more "underground" kind of thing. So, please keep that foremost in your mind if you're planning to visit Monterrey. Otherwise, you may be significantly disappointed. With the scene being "underground" comes additional responsibility on our parts. It requires you to conduct yourself with significantly more discretion than what we may be used to in other venues.

Five years ago, PDA was just another privately owned downtown hotel, one that was relatively obscure, fighting for its survival, thankful to have guests, vacancies usually available, even on weekends, etc...

That has all changed!

Five years ago, there was significantly less objection at PDA to our kinds of activities going on there. At one point, the desk clerk was actually pimping girls. But, even then, it was only late at night, and it was done with considerable secrecy. He did not flaunt it in any way. He was very discrete, and he only offered the service if he knew you.

After PDA merged with Proxima Hotels, they experienced significant growth after the merger. Needless to say, shortly after the merger, the pimping desk clerk was history. They began to make a conscious effort to maintain a more legitimized image.

Don't misunderstand, their public image was always legitimized, and there was always an effort to maintain a "clean" image with respect to their reputation. These days, they're marketing plan is even stricter than five years ago, with much more "family oriented," marketing ( ie: families, kids, college functions, high schools, business travelers, even numerous female business travelers, etc...)

I have to admit that I'm fearful that if we're all not EXTREMELY discrete at PDA, we will have one less clean, comfortable, reasonably priced (?), "accomodating," GFE hotel to rely on.

Orlando is a savy dude, and I believe he will permit us to continue these activities, but only if we DO NOT threaten the image of his hotel. At this juncture, on very rare occassion, a girl that you might see in the hallway in passing, will make a pass for the obvious reasons. But, that's a VERY, VERY, RARE occurence these days, and it's certainly nothing that is sanctioned by PDA, nor is it promoted by them.

It is very important that I make something very clear. Orlando is strictly a legitimate businessman. He will assist you logistically in any way. But, he might actually be offended at anyone openly soliciting him about our kinds of activities. Such an occurrence may even put him on notice that it's time for him to clamp down.

Frankly, certain ones of us would not probably be bothered, myself, WastedG, Mr. L, Carlos, etc... We are known to Orlando, and we would undoubtedly receive special consideration. Afterall, we would be "grandfathered," as it were.

But, those of you coming to MTY in the future might find a very different reaction to your desire to bring girls to your room. So, use the utmost discretion in Monterrey, whether you choose to stay at PDA or not.

All the hotels in MTY are going to see your activities in the same way, and the clerks and security staff do not want their jobs on the line.

As for the girls at the desk, in the past, there have been a couple of girls working there that are attractive, cute, friendly, funny, helpful, etc...I have a few girls there that are friends, and some of them may even suspect that I am up to something on my visits to MTY...they aren't stupid...but...

They do not have any direct knowledge of my activities. I am very discrete. The desk girls are all legitimate working girls. If they do suspect the nature of my true reason for being in MTY, it is because they have normal female suspicions, but most of them have no direct knowledge that I am up to anything. There have been a few that work the night shift that have seen me bring a girl back, but I have made friends of them. Certainly, they know what I'm up to, but they have accepted the "Dumb Gringo."

They have always acted friendly toward me, but I believe it's strictly because they've known me a long time, and I've formed friendships with them. Plus they know they will never, ever, recieve another homemade cookie were they to treat me badly. So, I am virtually untouchable...just kidding. They have accepted me per se. But, were I to flaunt my activities, I suspect their attitudes toward me would change significantly.

Frankly, it's one reason I changed hotels. I was becoming too well known for my own comfort level. Enough time has passed now that I would probably be virtually unknown to most of the desk girls on duty during the day, except for the office staff. I changed hotels primarily because the majority of the staff at PDA is primarily female at night. WastedG says I should come back, but Orlando would probably have to put on male night clerks in order for me to consider making a change back to PDA at this juncture.

So, I changed hotels about a year ago. I prefer to sneak girlfriends past a male night clerk and up to my room than to suffer the walk of shame in front of a twenty year old girl, even if she is a friend of mine. But, even then, even if I were to take a girlfriend past a female night clerk, I would be extremely discrete. I don't want any of them to get any heat over allowing my kinds of activities.

As Carlos mentioned, there are a handful of "accepting" hotels in MTY. Frankly, with most of the hotels that are similar in type and size to PDA, I suspect you could sneak a girl past the night clerks, and if done discretely, I doubt you would have a problem doing it one time. But, if you try that night after night, wild orgies, two or three girls at a time, two or three girls a day, similar to what you get away with in Pattaya or AC, you will NOT be welcome in the hotels of MTY. Just a word to the wise.[/QUOTE]

I am pleased to see USB's and Carlos' posts on PDA. The hotel is clearly family and group kinda place. My breakfasts are usually in the restaurant, if I am solo in the morning. The tables are usually occupied by a father, a mother and a couple of kids. Otherwise, it is a basketball team or something similar.

If I have girl still with me in the morning, I order breakfast in the room. I will not take them to the restaurant because it would look nasty.

I am seriously thinking of limiting my activities to the clubs and cutting down on salidas for a while.

Wasted


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I recently received a private message request to elaborate my thoughts about Monterrey, and how it stacks up in comparison to other venues. I think there are a few issues that might need clarification to help everyone understand the scene in Monterrey.

Monterrey is a totally different mongering venue than Pattaya, Thailand, or AC, Philippines, etc... Even TJ, Mexico, is a totally different kind of environment than MTY. All of the aforementioned places are "in your face." Everybody understands why you're there. They accomodate our activities regardless of whether we choose to flaunt them or not.

I have to admit that I'm fearful that if we're all not EXTREMELY discrete at PDA, we will have one less clean, comfortable, reasonably priced (?), "accomodating," GFE hotel to rely on.

Frankly, certain ones of us would not probably be bothered, myself, WastedG, Mr. L, Carlos, etc... We are known to Orlando, and we would undoubtedly receive special consideration. Afterall, we would be "grandfathered," as it were.

But, those of you coming to MTY in the future might find a very different reaction to your desire to bring girls to your room. So, use the utmost discretion in Monterrey, whether you choose to stay at PDA or not.

[/QUOTE]

I stay a couple of blocks down the street at the PDA express. If you are a regular you might be able to negotiate a better price. It is clean and quiet. It seems to be truly a business hotel. I rarely see kids but I do see a ton of business people. The attendants at the front desk are very accomodating. BUT I have never brought a girl back. Like Unospongebob refered to, the girls have turned into friends and it would almost feel like you were disappointing them. At least in my mind it would. They probably couldn't care less.
I have stayed at Fastous (sp?) and it is a nice hotel and probably more centrally located if you are walking. But, I prefer the service and recognition at the other.

lets get one thing straight...it was not me at the best western!!! verdad! hahahaha :-) i think it was somebody who arranged for an **** girl to come in there, and that was the crux of the scandal, right? please!!! mi dios!!! i was not there...it was not me!

but, i remember one time when i was there and...

i actually had made arrangements with three girls during the first part of the week to eventually meet me at the hotel. now, listen...

you know how the girls will ditch you, how they will not show up most of the time, and how most of the time they are unreliable, etc...

you know??? that's why paying the salidas is a valuable service, and a very reliable alternative. by paying the salida to the bar, you have them captured. you don't have to rely on the discipline level of a mexican bar girl to actually conduct your business. if you pay the salida, you have them in your clutches, at least for a while, and they aren't going to forget to show up, or give some bs excuse that their kid is sick and they can't come over, etc...

for a time, i was trying to avoid paying the salidas, and i decided that i would arrange to meet the girls outside the clubs on their off time. there is profitability is doing so because by avoiding the salida cost, 350 pesos per session, within a short period of only two bar fines, you have almost enough saved to pay for another session.

avoiding salidas works sometimes, but rarely, maybe only about 30% of the time at best. even if the girls are really good friends, even if they know you very well, even if they love you to death...no importa!!! mexican bar girls are too screwed-up to be disciplined enough to show up at the appointed time. they are generally extremely unreliable in their lives, not only in that respect, but in many other respects as well.

frankly, as a relatively mature male, i have made certain conclusions about women at this juncture that some may find disturbing. but, this actually illustrates how little women actually give a shit about sex. even when they are being paid an outrageous wage in comparison to their peers, peers that work their asses off in the mexican labor force, the girls still don't care that not only are they getting paid an outrageous wage for the short time they will have invested, but they are usually also getting the sexual enjoyment that we as males would undoubtedly provide for free were the shoe on the other foot.

oh, most women love sex in the moment...but, unless you have your tongue on their clits, or you are grinding into them with a fevered pitch, they are otherwise oblivious to the future anticipation for pleasure that sex otherwise brings for males. there is some statistic somewhere that we males think of sex every six minutes. i think there are women that can get by without thinking about sex, absolutely no sex, for literally months on end. some women have no contemplation for sex throughout their normal day, week, month...year? the lack thereof, the lack of any contemplation for sexual gratification, has absolutely no adverse effects on the female psche.

so, guys, just remember, girls don't really give a shit, not in comparison to the male labido, about sex. just a philosophical glimpse into the mind of the usb.

unfortunately, unless you find a real nympho, which i have only experienced maybe 25% of the time in my "career," if that much, you will find that they are generally not nearly as "interested" in sex as we are. that is why they don't show up to make one hundred times the amount that they would otherwise make if they were just working the desk in one of the hotels, sweeping floors, cleaning toilets, etc...

don't believe me? lets analyze it. the girls make 1000 pesos for 1.5 hours if you bar fine them from el infinito. the total salida is 1350 pesos, and 350 pesos goes to the bar. the girl keeps 1000 pesos, all she can eat if you take her to dinner, and all she can drink if you buy her booze. how much does the average laborer in mexico make in wages?

there are three wage zones in mexico. the average of the three zones shows the average daily wage in mexico is currently about mx$48.70 per day, which is approximately $4.80us per day, which is approximately forty-eight cents (us) per hour. also keeping in mind that the work day in mexico is much longer than the work day in the us. i am averaging the work day for these calculations to be approximately 10 hours a day for mexican workers. i know that many mexican laborers are very hard workers, sunup to sundown. but for this analysis, we'll use an average of ten hours per day for simplicities sake.

that means, if these statistics are correct, that the girls would be making 666 pesos per hour, $66us per hour, at least 660 times the average labor rate per hour. now, i realize that we're averaging labor rates across the whole of mexico, and that labor rates in mty are significantly higher than the interior states. but, that's why i adjusted my average quoted above to reveal that the girls are making at least 100 times the average labor rate, in order to account for the higher wages in mty proper.

i think this assessment is, frankly, very generous. the average is probably much higher if you compare the professional skill level of the girls with respect to the average laborer in mexico. the girls are mostly uneducated, unskilled professionally, and have very little to offer beyond basic skills otherwise, notwithstanding their female skills of course.

the girls, afterall, are not physicians...although, i do sometimes think of them as socially denegrated nurses, verdad? so, with that kind of incentive, if they fail to showup for outcalls, what other kind of conclusions can we be expected to reach as a result of their choosing not to show up.

compared to males that would undoubtedly show up "free of charge," it is blatantly obvious that they are also unmotivated by the prospect of making ten times the going labor rate, and nor are they sufficiently impressed with the prospect of having sex, austensibly having sex with guys that practice it to perfection, and can deliver it with skill, we mongers. of course, i suppose if you are a twenty years old brad pitt, you might have a better result. but, frankly, i don't believe that the girls are any more reliable with respect to outcalls as it relates to my previously quoted percentages of success. certainly, if i had the prospect of making one hundred times my going wage rate in the us, i would probably be willing to consider the prospect of sex with even somebody so nasty as rosey o'donnell.

romance? affection? communication? caring? friendship? carressing? kissing? yes...but, sex takes a back seat to most of these other things for women, imho. unfortunately, this financial analysis reveals the stark reality that our egos as males compell us to ignore. this financial analysis illustrates the huge gulf that exists between men and women. men and women really are wired totally differently. if you finally become enlightened to this reality, it will help you understand them better, and it will even assist you in getting in their pants with more success.

anyway, i digress...i felt the need to rant!!!

back to my best western story...

well, you know??? during my salida busting days, during the course of a particular week, i had lined up a number of girls thinking that i would play the percentages. i figured i would play the odds hoping that at least one of them would come through. the problem is, they all came through on the same day...oh shit!!!

the desk clerk was becoming visibly disturbed by the time the third one actually showed up. he actually mouthed to me something like "another one?" ...sweat accumulating on his brow, a scrunched up forehead, as number three was arriving, hahahaha!!!!! i just shrugged my shoulders, grinned a big "dumb gringo," and acted like..."que, no aye problema?"

fortunately, the girls didn't show up all at the same time or i would have either had a really great time, or a huge cat fight. but, the fact is, by the time the third one showed up, i was spent. i mean, i had trouble making it happen in the room. i remember, this particular third girl was one of my long time girlfriends from el obsession, and she commented a couple of times to me. she seemingly said something like..."how many today?"...something like that. but, she was finally successful, so i am proud that my performance was not particularly poor. i just wished she had showed up the next day, or even two days later.

the funny thing was, the male clerk at the best western, the one that became visibly disturbed, used to actually work at pda. he recognized me from having stayed at pda in the past. i think i gave him a small propina after that happened just to keep him on my good side. after i tipped him, i think the wheels started to turn in his head, and he was a little more receptive to the "possibilities."

when you hear me always preaching about our having to use discretion, it comes from my own personal stupid mistakes.

[quote=carlos perez]it also happened to the best western madero where unspongebob used to stay.
had a sex scandal within their premises and that was the day they stopped allowing lady visitors to the rooms at night.[/quote]

Ken, I would recomend not to get any SW for any service what so ever.
Street walkers here in Monterrey are like the ones in the USA: drug addicts, thieves... they can and will rob you even if you are aware they are doing it and many times, they are in cahoots with some corupt police officer on the beat.



[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]I am sorry that I scared you guys. What is that: "Dicretion is the first part of valour?" I am a sophisticated businessman. I would not bring a woman back to my hotel for any reason. I just read all the stuff you guys wrote on here and "assumed" there was something at the PDA that I was missing. I guess I am missing it, but only because I do not have a long-term relationship with those guys. I never inquired about any extra "services" from anyone at PDA, just went there to see what you guys "attraction" was for the place. Frankly, I'm really happy at Fastos. The girls on the street or masajes have all the "facilities" I would need. After all you do not pay them for their services, you pay them to leave. I know that there is no way there could ever be any "future" with any of those girls. To think otherwise is a big mistake. Like you (Bob) have pointed out, most are unstable on a number of different levels. I am a privileged man to have found such a place as MTY. Not many men find such a place ever in this life. I will be as discrete as possible, but I will not let any girl or any club take me for a dumb gringo. i.e. take advantage of me. After all, the prices in MTY are comparable to what it costs here in the states. The overall services are better in MTY. But still, IF they are going to charge comparable prices, I will not be tricked or conned. Thanks for the time you spent explaining the PDA situation Bob. I kinda assumed that was the case.[/QUOTE]

Oh. So the chicas selling cuartos are SW? I figured they were in cahoots with the hotel/motel they were renting from, not the policia. And they do not look like druggies. At least most of em. Same thing?

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Ken, I would recomend not to get any SW for any service what so ever.

Street walkers here in Monterrey are like the ones in the USA: drug addicts, thieves. They can and will rob you even if you are aware they are doing it and many times, they are in cahoots with some corupt police officer on the beat.[/QUOTE]

You'd had to point exactly where you saw them.
But any way, any girl that sells services on the street for unlawful carnal knowledge are not recomended at all.


[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]Oh. So the chicas selling cuartos are SW? I figured they were in cahoots with the hotel/motel they were renting from, not the policia. And they do not look like druggies. At least most of em. Same thing?[/QUOTE]

Same street as PDA. Next to the Metro. Across from 7-11. Three different groups selling cuartos in that one block. Next to a Combia Dinero place. Hotel (green in color. Looked like a drive-in motel like Central America) on opposite end of block and around the corner. So PDA street, Metro and back toward PDA for one block, opposite side of street than PDA. There were 3 or 4 girls at each place. Anyways, most looked clean and were good to go for 200p. No con on the ones I had. Did not ask for more when in the "cuarto" Went there 3 times.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]You'd had to point exactly where you saw them.
But any way, any girl that sells services on the street for unlawful carnal knowledge are not recomended at all.[/QUOTE]

Am just going to say it in a few words: "oh my god!!!"
I can tell too you the nice way or the ugly way... which do you prefer?
It has to do in the sense that we see those girls here in Mexico opposite to the gringo way.


[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]Same street as PDA. Next to the Metro. Across from 7-11. Three different groups selling cuartos in that one block. Next to a Combia Dinero place. Hotel (green in color. Looked like a drive-in motel like Central America) on opposite end of block and around the corner. So PDA street, Metro and back toward PDA for one block, opposite side of street than PDA. There were 3 or 4 girls at each place. Anyways, most looked clean and were good to go for 200p. No con on the ones I had. Did not ask for more when in the "cuarto" Went there 3 times.[/QUOTE]

If I am correct in my assumptions, those are the girls that stand in the doorway immediately outside of that hotel on the South side of the street that runs West between Madero and Colon from Pino Suarez, Pino Suarez being the same street the PDA is located on? Of course, I see the girls standing there all the time. That corner has been "staffed" for at least five years. I doubt they are generally in league with the cops because they are there all the time. I doubt they would sustain their business for the last five years on that same corner were the cops involved too much in shake downs. But, if it were going to occur, that IS the circumstance by which the cops could most definitely shake you down.

I have also heard they are "reasonable" in price, but I have never tried them out. I've always been warned to stay clear of them because they are just not GFE material. I have always anticipated that their service would be more akin to what I could obtain from the streetwalkers in my own town here in the US, and probably for about the same price, or maybe a little more for full service, but not much more.

I would put the US streetwalker in the same category as the room girls in the border towns. I've always suspected that they lack the "charm" I enjoy, are sometimes diseased, and I always feared that they are more likely to run a game on you, rob you, etc...than the girls I bar fine from the clubs.

Of course, the cost for streetwalkers in the US is a little more than the cost of room girls in the border towns and MTY, but if you factor in all the travel costs, hotel, airfare, bus fare, whatever, there is really no reason to make that trip unless the quality of selection is superior, and I mean far superior.

That isn't meant as a criticizm of someone who might choose to visit MTY or the border towns to see the room girls, but I just don't really understand the motivation. The same quality is available in the border towns, so why travel all the way to MTY? I can tell you that the quality of selection among the room girls in MTY is nowhere near what is available in the strip clubs there.

If your sessions were acceptable Ken T, you might also be interested in knowing that there are more of the same thing on the other side of the street. Almost directly across from the street you were on, about 40 feet in from the entrance of the flea markets. The girls stand outside a bar/hotel there along the alley parallel with the flea market booths. The girls are not usually anything I would particularly be attracted to, but I have noticed a couple that were doable. There have been only one or two over the course of the last five years that actually had me looking twice.

However, because I know my own preferences, I've never really pushed the envelope there, not even if I saw one that moderately attracted me. Frankly, I believe you would probably have slightly better experiences were you to partake with the massage parlor girls instead. Except, the cost there will probably run you at least 400-600 pesos, significantly more than what you paid.

I know I am paying a lot of money when I bar fine the girls from the strip clubs. I mean no offense when I say this, but they are considerably better looking than most of the room girls, and generally the club girls have charming personalities to match. I have always thought the room girls generally lacked in charm and personality, and of course they are not generally up to the standard of a stripper as far as looks. I see the room girls in MTY as being on more of a par with the room girls in the border towns, Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa, etc...

One other thing too that I have always liked about the club girls in MTY, and this is also true of the massage parlor girls as well, is that they are checked weekly by a doctor as part of their authorization to work. The room girls in MTY have no such safety net. I know 200 pesos is pretty tempting, but when you bar fine a club girl, or visit a massage parlor, both of which are more expensive, you're getting not only beauty, but charm, relative safety, and a measure of health insurance along with the additional cost.

That's the reason Carlos reacts that way when he hears that you went to the room girls. They are just a notch below our typical service providers, and none of us have really partaken there for fear that we will likely be comparatively disappointed.

Everything is relative to whatever is affordable for each individual. Don't take what I am about to say as some kind stuck-up "superiorizm." I fully understand when guys must, due to budgetary considerations, partake primarily in massage girls and room girls. But, I feel compelled to also point out that if room girls were the only thing you were able to find, and budgetary restrictions were not an issue, you have literally just clipped the slimy tip of the perverbial iceberg in MTY.

If the room girls is the extent of your experience in MTY, then I feel obligated to inform you that you have overlooked the club scene. Frankly, for a little more than what you paid for a session with a room girl, you could have had almost the same amount of fun, maybe more, with an absolutely gorgeous stripper in the privados (VIP booths) of the strip clubs.


[QUOTE=Ken Tucky]Same street as PDA. Next to the Metro. Across from 7-11. Three different groups selling cuartos in that one block. Next to a Combia Dinero place. Hotel (green in color. Looked like a drive-in motel like Central America) on opposite end of block and around the corner. So PDA street, Metro and back toward PDA for one block, opposite side of street than PDA. There were 3 or 4 girls at each place. Anyways, most looked clean and were good to go for 200p. No con on the ones I had. Did not ask for more when in the "cuarto" Went there 3 times.[/QUOTE]

Due to company activities, I have had to escort co-workers and clients to clubs here in USA lately. It was outstandingly awkward for me to be there. The guys are drooling and wooing going crazy over the girls while I just set there dreading that fact and every minute that I am in such a place.

Then we ended up in a dance club. I, again, enjoyed watching my 'friends' having a ball while I was thinking to myself 'how pathetic' is this.

Just like the movie 'Borat', the women can chose who they can dance and go to bed with? woo, that's not good for me.

The happiest moment for me was when they decided they have had enough and wanted to call it a night.

Might head down soon. Line'em up for me.

Wasted

What was the tab for "nothing" compared to Mty????


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Due to company activities, I have had to escort co-workers and clients to clubs here in USA lately. It was outstandingly awkward for me to be there. The guys are drooling and wooing going crazy over the girls while I just set there dreading that fact and every minute that I am in such a place.

Then we ended up in a dance club. I, again, enjoyed watching my 'friends' having a ball while I was thinking to myself 'how pathetic' is this.

Just like the movie 'Borat', the women can chose who they can dance and go to bed with? woo, that's not good for me.

The happiest moment for me was when they decided they have had enough and wanted to call it a night.

Might head down soon. Line'em up for me.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I get down to MTY a few times a year and I'm long overdue. Hopefully pinche American Airlines will lower the prices to something more reasonable.

Instead I get only as far as Boystown in Nuevo Laredo from time to time. Danash and Papagayo tend to usually have stunners from Moneterrey. I was talking to a girl from Moneterrey and we were talking about her city and she made a interesting comment about why she comes to NL each weekend. She said the guys in Monterrey were "cheap" [I'm sure she's not talking about you guys!]. She said at the clubs and in Boystown. I asked if she meant bars like Infinito and she said no, there's a boystown there.

So is there a Boystown in Monterrey? Or did I have I have misunderstanding with the girl? They didn't teach the finer points of mongering in Spanish class. Then again, it might be a locals-only thing. But I don't see why one needs a boystown when there's so many options in the clubs in town.

I had the same kind of experience going to a strip club in Kansas several months ago. After visiting that club, I was so depressed, I just had to pour out my anquish and disappointment. So, when I got back to my hotel room, balls blue, I had to purge the depths of my despair by writing something on ISG about how poor our US strips clubs are in comparison to MTY. At least writing something on ISG was mildly cathartic, but only a trip to MTY several weeks later resulted in the cure.

I'll be in MTY the night of 1/20 through 1/25...Set 'em up!!!

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Due to company activities, I have had to escort co-workers and clients to clubs here in USA lately. It was outstandingly awkward for me to be there. The guys are drooling and wooing going crazy over the girls while I just set there dreading that fact and every minute that I am in such a place.

Then we ended up in a dance club. I, again, enjoyed watching my 'friends' having a ball while I was thinking to myself 'how pathetic' is this.

Just like the movie 'Borat', the women can chose who they can dance and go to bed with? woo, that's not good for me.

The happiest moment for me was when they decided they have had enough and wanted to call it a night.

Might head down soon. Line'em up for me.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

First, there is no Boystown in MTY. The fact that she mentioned a BT in MTY makes me wonder about her veracity. Monterrey is not a cheap place to monger. Fact is, it's relatively expensive. You can easily be nickeled and dimed to death in the privados and buying drinks/jarras. The cost of a session back at your hotel is no less than 1350 pesos ($135 approx.) for 1-1/2 hours.

I doubt seriously if she's earning more in BT than she could earn in MTY, especially if she's quite beautiful. Otherwise, all the pretty girls would be flocking to BT from MTY, and they aren't. Of course, some do get the idea that they're going to give Boystown a try. But, ultimately, it seems to me that most of the girls that sample Boystown ultimately return to Monterrey to permenantly practice their craft. However, some may venture to Boystown for a break from the routine, but I doubt it's because they really believe they can make more money there.

There is also another possibility. There are a lot of very pretty girls working the clubs in Monterrey. If she is experiencing serious competition in MTY from all the other gorgeous women, and she believes she has less competition in BT, then she might travel there to improve her own odds. But, I believe her calculations are flawed because I would estimate the client to female ratio in the clubs of MTY as being possibly five times higher in MTY than in Boystown on a weekend night. MTY offers a much better market with respect to the supply and demand ratio on the weekends than does BT.

If she actually has knowledge of MTY, then I theorize that she may have experienced a wind fall profit from a bunch of high rolling Gringos, and perhaps she now believes that by moving her "ass-etts" to BT, she will be able to do better solely because she believes she will be closer to the Golden Goose.

If that be her logic, what she doesn't understand about the Golden Goose is that he is generally a bird of a different feather, and that he is not going to set foot into a shit hole like Boystown, which lacks the ambiance that is common in MTY, something that is absolutely neccessary to attract the high rolling Gringo circumstance she's hoping to duplicate.

[QUOTE=Super Gato]I get down to MTY a few times a year and I'm long overdue. Hopefully pinche American Airlines will lower the prices to something more reasonable.

Instead I get only as far as Boystown in Nuevo Laredo from time to time. Danash and Papagayo tend to usually have stunners from Moneterrey. I was talking to a girl from Moneterrey and we were talking about her city and she made a interesting comment about why she comes to NL each weekend. She said the guys in Monterrey were "cheap" [I'm sure she's not talking about you guys!]. She said at the clubs and in Boystown. I asked if she meant bars like Infinito and she said no, there's a boystown there.

So is there a Boystown in Monterrey? Or did I have I have misunderstanding with the girl? They didn't teach the finer points of mongering in Spanish class. Then again, it might be a locals-only thing. But I don't see why one needs a boystown when there's so many options in the clubs in town.[/QUOTE]

The total tab for the night was a little over $6000.

Do you want to add to the pain or put salt on the wound? No touching and not totally nude. Topless and keep your hands to yourself.

Champaign room was $250 plus $25 per person plus whatever you negotiate with the girl. Did not let any of the guys go that route.

What does Carlos call it? "Go home with a woody?" yeah, well not me, I did not get excited at all but the guys did. Then they wanted to get laid. Sorry, cannot help you here. Not willing to assist you get aids.

Some of them went to an AMP for happy endings. $200 plus entry fee of $60. Each one. Add about $1300 to the tb above.

Oh yeah, above numbers are in US $.

I'll let you guys know when my next trip is. Soon I believe but need to confirm with client.

Wasted


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]What was the tab for "nothing" compared to Mty????[/QUOTE]

As Unspongebob says, there is no Zona in here in Mty.
Let me tell you something that will jar you a little and that is that girls are far better looking here than at BT in NL.
And I'll pass along another secret: We Mexicans see the Zonas as safe havens for the bottom of the barrel. Girls that will not make it anywhere (am not kidding)
Business wise, clubs are more expensive here in Mty, while you can get a full service with a girl at a hotel on the 70 dlls average, here it is 1000 pesos. There are no "toda la noche" cause the girls get more money working at the clubs and the managers at the clubs don't want the House to loss money either.
And then, the part that all like here is Safety.
Monterrey is one of the safests cities in Mexico. Plus none of the mongers posting here has been or will ever be hassled by the police like they do in the border towns.
So back to the question: Is there a BT in Monterrey? NO.


[QUOTE=Super Gato]I get down to MTY a few times a year and I'm long overdue. Hopefully pinche American Airlines will lower the prices to something more reasonable.

Instead I get only as far as Boystown in Nuevo Laredo from time to time. Danash and Papagayo tend to usually have stunners from Moneterrey. I was talking to a girl from Moneterrey and we were talking about her city and she made a interesting comment about why she comes to NL each weekend. She said the guys in Monterrey were "cheap" [I'm sure she's not talking about you guys!]. She said at the clubs and in Boystown. I asked if she meant bars like Infinito and she said no, there's a boystown there.

So is there a Boystown in Monterrey? Or did I have I have misunderstanding with the girl? They didn't teach the finer points of mongering in Spanish class. Then again, it might be a locals-only thing. But I don't see why one needs a boystown when there's so many options in the clubs in town.[/QUOTE]

Talking about jarring someones universe, WastedG has a friend at the I place.
The "P" girl to be exact.
While discussing beautiful girls, Wasted mention that he sensed that the "P" girls was going down, low on customers, no popularity.
I told him something that shocked him big.
Told him that for Mexican standars, the "P" girl was not pretty. He was so surprised, cause WGM adores the "P" girl and sees her as a, well said, a very pretty woman.
Not here in Monterrey. The "P" girl is not that atractive to Mexican eyes and it shows how the customers might go first hand for the "J" and her sister "E", the "A" the "B", the other "A", the nefarious "M", the "G" (my Lamb)... anything but the "P" girl.
Wasted has seen that trend.
Beauty is in the eye of the local beholder.

Quoting Charlie Brown: AUGH!!!!


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]The total tab for the night was a little over $6000.

Do you want to add to the pain or put salt on the wound? No touching and not totally nude. Topless and keep your hands to yourself.

Champaign room was $250 plus $25 per person plus whatever you negotiate with the girl. Did not let any of the guys go that route.

What does Carlos call it? "Go home with a woody?" yeah, well not me, I did not get excited at all but the guys did. Then they wanted to get laid. Sorry, cannot help you here. Not willing to assist you get aids.

Some of them went to an AMP for happy endings. $200 plus entry fee of $60. Each one. Add about $1300 to the tb above.

Oh yeah, above numbers are in US $.

I'll let you guys know when my next trip is. Soon I believe but need to confirm with client.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

The preference for certain types of girls among the Mexican clientelle is an interesting discussion. Carlos knows my preference for flaca morenas. It is primarily because flaca morenas have a preference for me that I just can't ignore. Their enthusiasm level with me is unbelievable.

But, Carlos, I have a question...Take for example your lamb, "G," or Roxanna, or Cindy #1, they are morena, and they are popular, even though they are Morena. But, from my perspective, girls that I consider to be moderately HOT "light skinned" girls, at least in my observations, are busier than what I consider HOTTER dark skinned girls to be.

Most of the girls I like are NOT patronized in large numbers by most of the Mexican guys, which is a better circumstance for me. My girls are relatively busy, but not like some of the girls that I view as less attractive. Frankly, some of those Mexican guys touch girls that I would not touch with a ten foot pole, especially the fat ones. But, some of those fat girls are relatively busy with large numbers of paying, repeating, customers.

I always marvel at how a fat, Rosey ODonnell type girl, can survive and prosper in MTY as a stripper. Don't worry readers, in saying that, there are just as many HOT, thin, girls to go around too. But, there is an abundance of fat girls in MTY strip clubs. Conversely, if comparing US strippers to the girls working in the MTY clubs, those fat girls would not be permitted to bus the tables or park cars in a decent US strip club.

Thank God there are so many HOT Mexican girls working the strip clubs that you can find exactly what your looking for every night for a week and not have seen all of them. The fat girls are just the fringe, but the fringe is busy, when at times, the ones I'm attracted to are not. Sometimes, I can't believe how sometimes the ones I like are left standing on the stage, unchosen, during presentation.

Another interesting thing, something I have learned over the course of my years visiting MTY, is that the girls also have some very specific preferences as to the kinds of guys they are seemingly attracted to. Depending on the girl, whether she is Morena, or of more European decent, that will usually determine their interest level in you.

If you are like Mr. L, you will have them worshipping you like you are God, white boy, young, handsome...whewwww!!! WastedG...leave Mr. "L" at home from now on, ok? (Just joking...NOT, hahaha!). If he wasn't such a nice guy, right...

Morenas are very racially biased in favor of Gringos, not because the girls neccessarily think the Gringo is rich, but because Gringos are typically white skinned. Intellectually, from a business perspective, the girls seek out rich Gringos, or anybody that is rich, regardless of race, of course. But, I'm talking purely with respect to attraction level, irrespective of financial motivation.

That having been said, I also believe the socio-econimc status of being with a Gringo has a catalytic effect on the interest level of a Mexican bar girl, especially if she has not been with a Gringo before. But, primarily they are attracted to white boys because they themselves are Morena, and to be chosen by a White American, and especially if he is rich, educated, etc...is a boost to their morena ego.

I believe the Mexican males are attracted to light skinned girls in much the same way. It's like whatever is a rarity, white skin, is what is sought after. It's the same psychological syndrom, you want what you can't have, or whatever is in short supply. This same principle holds true in other Central and South American countries where the population has darker skin. I have experienced the same exact reaction from the girls in Columbia and Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Talking about jarring someones universe, WastedG has a friend at the I place.
The "P" girl to be exact.
While discussing beautiful girls, Wasted mention that he sensed that the "P" girls was going down, low on customers, no popularity.
I told him something that shocked him big.
Told him that for Mexican standars, the "P" girl was not pretty. He was so surprised, cause WGM adores the "P" girl and sees her as a, well said, a very pretty woman.
Not here in Monterrey. The "P" girl is not that atractive to Mexican eyes and it shows how the customers might go first hand for the "J" and her sister "E", the "A" the "B", the other "A", the nefarious "M", the "G" (my Lamb)... anything but the "P" girl.
Wasted has seen that trend.
Beauty is in the eye of the local beholder.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I am aware of the beauties of Monterrey. Carlos, you sent me your maps last year and it changed my life for the better. I did think the girl I was speaking to the other night didn't seem like the brightest but she was hot [flaquita morena] and that was what I was looking for. Her boystown comment surprised me. She could have told me she saw UFOs in MTY and I would have asked you about that!

I always thought he Monterrey girls came to Nuevo Laredo so they can practice their craft and not worry about running into family or someone else they know. A girl from Acuña told me that's why she went to NLBT every weekend [also Acuña's BT isn't much]. I also think some of these girls may be on the b-list in Monterrey but the belle of the ball at the border. If I was a stunner, I'd want to be where I had less competition and could command a premium. These girls are business people.

I'd love to get to Monterrey more often. The bus ride from NL to Monterrrey is cheap, but the extra time makes the trip too long for a quick weekend getaway. So I have to settle for the cream of the crop in NLBT. Sometimes it is cheaper to fly to Frankfurt than it is to Monterrey and well, the FKK experience is something to behold. I have to fly through DFW or Houston to get to MTY but recently Aeromexico added Mexico City so I might be able to got to Monterrey cheaper by going via MEX than through the US airports.

My favorite girl from Monterrey that worked up in NLBT was flaca, morena and had a beautiful face, smile and eyes. And talk about GFE. She's back in Monterrey now. She went by the name of Itzel. If you run into her in MTY, please let me know and I'll be down there tonight, forget the cost.

I'm heading to Germany again but when I get back I should have enough miles for a free flight to MTY and free lodging at the Sheraton so I may be down in February.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]As Unspongebob says, there is no Zona in here in Mty.
Let me tell you something that will jar you a little and that is that girls are far better looking here than at BT in NL.
And I'll pass along another secret: We Mexicans see the Zonas as safe havens for the bottom of the barrel. Girls that will not make it anywhere (am not kidding)
Business wise, clubs are more expensive here in Mty, while you can get a full service with a girl at a hotel on the 70 dlls average, here it is 1000 pesos. There are no "toda la noche" cause the girls get more money working at the clubs and the managers at the clubs don't want the House to loss money either.
And then, the part that all like here is Safety.
Monterrey is one of the safests cities in Mexico. Plus none of the mongers posting here has been or will ever be hassled by the police like they do in the border towns.
So back to the question: Is there a BT in Monterrey? NO.[/QUOTE]

This is my first post.

Me and my friend will be down this weekend. Our 3rd trip to Monterrey. In the last two trips we stayed with our coworker. He's from Zuazua. We;re coming from Austin, TX on the Senda bus.

Forget Mr. "L". I now have a 2nd Mr. "L" who wants to come down with me as well. I think it will be safer to stick with Mr. "L". The other dude is worse as for attracting the girls and "slow me down". I offered to take him down with me but I think 'WE' will regret having him.

I enjoy having Mr. "L" with us as he is a true friend. This other dude, for some odd reason, I cannot trust althoug he seems like a nice guy.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]The preference for certain types of girls among the Mexican clientelle is an interesting discussion. Carlos knows my preference for flaca morenas. It is primarily because flaca morenas have a preference for me that I just can't ignore. Their enthusiasm level with me is unbelievable.
Morenas are very racially biased in favor of Gringos, not because the girls neccessarily think the Gringo is rich, but because Gringos are typically white skinned. Intellectually, from a business perspective, the girls seek out rich Gringos, or anybody that is rich, regardless of race, of course. But, I'm talking purely with respect to attraction level, irrespective of financial motivation.

That having been said, I also believe the socio-econimc status of being with a Gringo has a catalytic effect on the interest level of a Mexican bar girl, especially if she has not been with a Gringo before. But, primarily they are attracted to white boys because they themselves are Morena, and to be chosen by a White American, and especially if he is rich, educated, etc...is a boost to their morena ego.

I believe the Mexican males are attracted to light skinned girls in much the same way. It's like whatever is a rarity, white skin, is what is sought after. It's the same psychological syndrom, you want what you can't have, or whatever is in short supply. This same principle holds true in other Central and South American countries where the population has darker skin. I have experienced the same exact reaction from the girls in Columbia and Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]

I don't like white meat. Unless I am eating it. NO, I mean for food.

I agree with USB, again. it seems like he is now thinking on my behalf. I'll just wait for him to express 'my' thoughts and I will post my agreement.

I was in India a few year back and had me 2 sisters. They were as Indian as they get. Young 18 and 19 yo girls. Perfect hard bodies. Fully developed and spicy. They will probably not attract the locals but they sure had me smiling for a week. Stayed all night for less than $100 each including all tips and other stuff.

Yes, when in Rome, do the Romans. When in Mexico, do the Mexicans. When back in the US, count the days until you go back.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]
Morenas are very racially biased in favor of Gringos, not because the girls neccessarily think the Gringo is rich, but because Gringos are typically white skinned. Intellectually, from a business perspective, the girls seek out rich Gringos, or anybody that is rich, regardless of race, of course. But, I'm talking purely with respect to attraction level, irrespective of financial motivation.

That having been said, I also believe the socio-econimc status of being with a Gringo has a catalytic effect on the interest level of a Mexican bar girl, especially if she has not been with a Gringo before. But, primarily they are attracted to white boys because they themselves are Morena, and to be chosen by a White American, and especially if he is rich, educated, etc...is a boost to their morena ego.

I believe the Mexican males are attracted to light skinned girls in much the same way. It's like whatever is a rarity, white skin, is what is sought after. It's the same psychological syndrom, you want what you can't have, or whatever is in short supply. This same principle holds true in other Central and South American countries where the population has darker skin. I have experienced the same exact reaction from the girls in Columbia and Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]

Good... how can we be of help?


[QUOTE=LiveForToday]This is my first post.

Me and my friend will be down this weekend. Our 3rd trip to Monterrey. In the last two trips we stayed with our coworker. He's from Zuazua. We;re coming from Austin, TX on the Senda bus.[/QUOTE]

BC,

We do use a lot of abbreviations, most of which are the initials for our girlfriends. For my part, I just don't really like putting their true names on the boards, for fear that I might be sending the "wrong" types in their direction. So, I use the initials to protect the "innocent," if you can call them that :-)

Here is a summary to answer your questions:

Hotel: Plaza Del Arco located at Madero and Pino Suarez (right at ground zero-numerous clubs within walking distance).

Economical Clubs: El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuela, Givenchy (uncomfortable facitlities, but very good quality and cheap, especially the first three...Givenchy quality usually not so good, but sometimes I find a good one in there.) (Cost = 400-800 pesos for full service in the privados) (Bar Fine =1350-1500 pesos (350 pesos for the bar 1000-1200 pesos for the girl).

Middle Tier: Pasarelas, TVO, Extasis, Tangalay, Don Gume Zuku Zuku, Casino, Harem, Bahamas, TKCHe, Good Music, Excalibur (comfortable facilities, medium priced, bar fine of 700 pesos and 1000-1500 pesos for the girl). (Very expensive bar fine in these clubs. I have been quoted all over the board on pricing, probably to take advantage of the gringo. I estimate costs to generally run 1000-2000 pesos to the bar, 1000-2500 pesos for the girl).

High End Clubs: Prestige, Amnesia, Obsession, Premier, Poisson (plan on spending 4000-6000 pesos to take a girl out of the club, including her fee, depending on how HOT she is.

My favorite clubs are El Infinito, El Cielo, Matehuela, Harem, Casino, Bahamas, and Pasarelas. I enjoy the lunch buffets during the weekdays at Obsession and Prestige. The high end clubs are very expensive for drinks and in-club action. In Obsession and Prestige I DO NOT partake in anything other than the buffet. However, the lunch buffet is very reasonable in price, 60 pesos ($6US) I believe, and quite tasty at both locations.

The low end clubs are low-end facilities, but they generally have surprisingly attractive girls, even in comparison with the high end clubs, so I frequent them in lieu of the high end or middle tier clubs, and I have an established harem of girls to draw upon for bar fines.

I have never done much during the day in Monterrey with respect to "other" activities. There is a mountain range surrounding the city, but as far as extra activities that would attract tourism, I don't believe there are many. Certainly, there must be some, but I am not aware of them. Carlos can chime in and enlighten you.

Frankly, I find myself quite board during the day, waiting for the evening hours so I can tour the clubs. The highlight of my daytime hours in MTY consists of visiting the flea markets around the hotel, going with Carlos and friends for lunch at Obsession and Prestige, perhaps going to dinner with Carlos and friends, visiting the pharmacias to stock up on vitimin V and/or C, maybe going to the World Gym over at Plaza la Silla, visiting the malls, going to the grocery store to stock up on shit for my ice chest. Sounds pretty exciting, right!

If you monger regularly in SA, or other Cental American countries, you are going to find MTY to be expensive, and not nearly as "monger friendly" as you're used to, especially for all-night action. There is significantly good quality in the clubs of Monterrey, but there is not much that's easily available in the way of long term (todo la noche) action at your hotel. It does exist, and we all do regularly partake in that, but mostly the action is in the clubs, especially for new visitors to MTY.

If you compare the off-site action to what you're used to in other countries, your going to have sticker shock, and your going to be disappointed in comparison when you consider the time they allow.

If you really like to spend all night with the girls back at your hotel, it will likely cost you a fortune, especially if you bar fine them from the high end clubs. Many girls will attempt to scam you by promising the moon and cutting you short on time. That's were the experience on the ground in Monterrey comes in handy. It helps for you to establish yourself as a player, and it also helps you determine which girls are worthy of an investment. Without that time to gain the experience, I recommend that guys stick to in-club action, and limit their attempts to bar fine the girls back to their hotels.

We regulars all have our girlfriends who treat us well, are reliable, are a very reasonable in price, etc...but, we are able to obtain that scenario only after most of us have spend a lot of time cultivating those relationships. Most of the success I have is because the girls have seen me visiting the clubs for a long time and they know I am a "safe" bet, or they like me. Some girls have decided over time that they want me for a regular client. I've had a number of them that have actually taken most of the initiative and gotten to know me well.

Otherwise, I've noticed that the girls in the clubs, especially the best looking ones in the high end clubs, are pretty independent in their attitudes. Many of them get pretty lazy unless you are Brad Pitt and have wads of dollar bills sticking out of your pockets. Even then, I am always surprised at how many girls will just sit around alone on the couches in the various clubs, the higher end clubs, and rest, like they really could give a shit less that the clubs are full of clientelle waiting to be approached. So, if you see one you like, sometimes you have to take the initiative.

On the other hand, some of the girls go with me even when they know I don't have much money. Some are great about staying all night for less than $5-$10US an hour. But, that kind of scenario takes time and effort, which you won't have if spending only five days, and are planning a single trip. That kind of thing only comes when you can take the time to get to know them as individuals, perhaps even romancing them a little over time, which usually requires multiple trips, several days at a time.

Also keep in mind that if you bar fine a girl and take her out of the club, the club has NO real obligation to ensure your satisfaction, to protect you from theft or scamming, etc...It is safer to bar fine a girl from the club than to try to arrange a time with her when she is off because at least the bar feels a mild obligation to it's clientelle, and if you bar fine them from the club you have them in your clutches. So often is the case that if you try to arrange an outcall with the girls in their off time, they will not show up.

So, it requires time to determine the credibility of the girls working the bars so you can avoid any potential issues, and have a reasonably enjoyable result. When I talk about girls "scamming," I'm talking primarily about a very mild form, cheating you on time promised back at the hotel, perhaps short changing you a little on promised acts, etc...nothing really dangerous, just annoying. The most I have ever had stolen from me was a pocket rocket that one little thief (not one of my regulars) decided she liked so much that she relieved me of it before leaving :-)

[QUOTE=Barefoot Chap]I normally travel with friends but am thinking about going alone to Monterrey (a place I never considered until today). I employ as many spanish speaking men and women as I can here in the states. I'm very gringo, speak Spanish and I'm in my early 30's. I still pick up non pros in the states in their early 20’s so I must not be too bad looking. Today I was in my truck talking to a guy with me named Marco and he started ranting and raving about his home town Monterrey. Normally I fly right over Mexico to other Latin countries. Here is my question (finally). What can a gringo do in Monterrey for 5 days? I’ll stay longer if I’m having fun. I started reading all the posts and after about page 6 I got bored. There seemed to be a lot of abbreviation going on. Can someone give me a cheat sheet, please? I want to know where the safe regular bars are, where the mongering bars are, where I should stay, can I play golf or tennis or mountain bike (or any daily activities). I’m also in the process of getting Marcos info but he is 21 so he may not have a whole lot. I’d fly him with me but he has no passport but is somehow legally here, living with his aunt who works for me. Please no dick head responses, I’m a busy man just trying to get out of the cold for a long weekend.[/QUOTE]

If you are planning to come down here to hit it off at the bar scene, this is not the place to come.
Monterrey has a great night spot area called the Barrio Antiguo (not the Zona Rosa, that is just a simple park with hotels around it) which atracts your age range.
Thing is that it is a very closed generation of 18, 20somethings up to 35somethings, locals that only reacts to groups, not individuals.
You group has to be flashy and willing to spend money on an all nighter spree.
Hard to describe it, but even me as a local, it is a circle that is not within my reach.
Golf: only for the rich (am not kidding)
Hicking: there are spots around.

What else????



UnospongeBob, Thanks for the list and the detailed info. Sounds like you have the pro scene dialed in.

I typically don't pay for sex and really enjoy the regular bars. In most of my travels I don't even walk into p4p bars. I also have never "not" gotten laid when out of the US and always end up with lots of entertainment and lots of phone numbers. I'm not Brad Pit, I'm 15 years younger than him. That guy can't roll with me. Anyway if there is anyone there now and can enlighten me on where the zona rosa area is I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

Barefoot,

Sounds like Barrio Antiguo is the place for you. And like Carlos said, this is the place to party all night (Thursday, Friday and Saturday). Things do not pick up until after 11 or midnight. Nice clubs and great restaurants and coffee shops. You got the looks and flash your gringo personality and you'll be fine. Just be yourself.

That link you had tells it all.

What Carlos and UnoBob dude described is an entirely different scene for us which we enjoy to the max. We enjoy it more because we get entertained by young 18 yo girls who will server our needs and can socialize with us for hours without breaking our bank accounts.

From what you wrote, I do not think this is the activity your are looking for. Stick to the upscale parties and enjoy yourself. You will go home with a girlfriend.

Wasted


[QUOTE=Barefoot Chap]I normally travel with friends but am thinking about going alone to Monterrey (a place I never considered until today). I employ as many spanish speaking men and women as I can here in the states. I'm very gringo, speak Spanish and I'm in my early 30's. I still pick up non pros in the states in their early 20’s so I must not be too bad looking. Today I was in my truck talking to a guy with me named Marco and he started ranting and raving about his home town Monterrey. Normally I fly right over Mexico to other Latin countries. Here is my question (finally). What can a gringo do in Monterrey for 5 days? I’ll stay longer if I’m having fun. I started reading all the posts and after about page 6 I got bored. There seemed to be a lot of abbreviation going on. Can someone give me a cheat sheet, please? I want to know where the safe regular bars are, where the mongering bars are, where I should stay, can I play golf or tennis or mountain bike (or any daily activities). I’m also in the process of getting Marcos info but he is 21 so he may not have a whole lot. I’d fly him with me but he has no passport but is somehow legally here, living with his aunt who works for me. Please no dick head responses, I’m a busy man just trying to get out of the cold for a long weekend.[/QUOTE]

I'm leaving now.

I will try to meet up with you all at Prestige for lunch on Thursday.

If not, look for a white man and a black man.

See you all soon.

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Hotels that are walking distance from the Barrio Antiguo are:

Sheraton Ambassador
Raddison Ancira
Crowne Plaza
All upscale hotels, they are like 5 blocks away except the Crowne, which is 7 blocks away.


[QUOTE=Barefoot Chap][QUOTE=Carlos Perez]If you are planning to come down here to hit it off at the bar scene, this is not the place to come.
Monterrey has a great night spot area called the Barrio Antiguo (not the Zona Rosa, that is just a simple park with hotels around it) which atracts your age range.
Thing is that it is a very closed generation of 18, 20somethings up to 35somethings, locals that only reacts to groups, not individuals.
You group has to be flashy and willing to spend money on an all nighter spree.
Hard to describe it, but even me as a local, it is a circle that is not within my reach.[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]

I like a challenge, if I fail I'll put Unspongbobs list to work. From all of my travels I have learned that people are people. I'll be fine. I just realized I have a voucher for Continental worth $450 from a trip I cancelled to Bogota over the summer.

Okay I have a curve ball to throw at you. I'm thinking about bringing my wife and Kids (under 3). If you have a hotel in mind that we can lounge in and around the hotel for 5 days please let me know. I hope it is walking distance to Barrio Antiguo. Tennis is always fun if the hotel has it.

Carlos, if you're there and want to meat up let me know or anyone else. I'm thinking about Early Feb.[/QUOTE]

There are two scenes available to a young man, the legitimate route, and p4p. Frankly, had I realized that p4p was this easy, this relatively cheap, and this enjoyable, in comparison, even as a younger man, I would have thought twice about the merits of the legitimate dating scene. Certainly that would have been the case had I been wiser and had I gained more worldly experience at a younger age.

Frankly, even when I was younger, I do NOT remember ever having the opportunity to experience the diversity of women that p4p has made available to me. It all comes back to that same old question, "Why do men choose to pay for it, even men that do not have to?"

The answer is simple...NO complications, no strings, no commitments, no hassles. And, honestly, when I think back on the legitimate dating scene, back in the day, I think that I am getting more action now for less money. Of course, as a mature male, my legitimate prospects are not as prolific as they once may have been, nor do my personal circumstances permit a legitimate dating game. So, p4p holds a near and dear place in my heart.

I suppose if I were in my mid 30's I would also feel the challenge of testing the waters in the legitimate club circuit in Monterrey. But, frankly, I have grown pretty lazy :-) these days. I'm not sure I could tolerate the "dance."

I like being able to show up at the strip club, point 'n click, and my work is done, except for the fun part. There is never any question about whether I am getting laid, whether she is coming back with me, whether she knows what she is doing sexually, etc...

And, even now, even at middle age, the Mexican girls seem pretty affectionate with the "old man," something that illustrates the huge cultural differences between what is otherwise available in the US versus Mexico, and/or many other foreign destinations.

In the US, I am middle aged, over the hill, out to pasture, finished, etc...In Mexico, and these other foreign destinations, I am a mature male. IMHO, there is a huge difference in the way virility and attractiveness is defined outside the USA.

Don't misunderstand, I do not compare myself with a 20 or 30 year old stud. But, I also realize that, at least within Mexico, and other foreign destinations, male sex appeal, even at middle age, still counts for something. And, thankfully, it seems to count for something beyond just the size of my bank account :-) I am not naive...I realize p4p is p4p, but there is an element of middle aged male sex appeal that is not totally lost on the younger female generations in Mexico and other foreign destinations.

For me, p4p is the way to go. But, then again, those who are in their 20's and 30's, are certain to someday realize the advantages of p4p, and the eventual neccessity. Believe me, when one hits middle age, one misses the feel of a young, nubile, female body, their fresh outlook on life, their anticipation, their optomism, all that is the youthful exuberance of a young female.

The opportunity to avail yourself of young female company grows increasingly scarce the older one gets, especially within the USA. Even within the available pool of p4p providers, the pickings are pretty slim in the USA unless you spend an absolute fortune in comparison to what's available in Mexico and other foreign countries.

Plus, the social taboos of age difference that persist in the USA makes a GFE almost impossible to obtain, even one that is based on p4p and a job well done, etc...No, GFE in the US does not compare to GFE in Monterrey or other foreign destinations. And, frankly, compared even to other destinations of notorious reputation, Thailand, the PI, etc...Monterrey has them beat, at least with respect to my own GFE experiences.

I even believe that with the feminazi agenda that proliferates in the USA, it's a circumstance that might also make it difficult for guys seeking legitimate relationships.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Barefoot,

Sounds like Barrio Antiguo is the place for you. And like Carlos said, this is the place to party all night (Thursday, Friday and Saturday). Things do not pick up until after 11 or midnight. Nice clubs and great restaurants and coffee shops. You got the looks and flash your gringo personality and you'll be fine. Just be yourself.

That link you had tells it all.

What Carlos and UnoBob dude described is an entirely different scene for us which we enjoy to the max. We enjoy it more because we get entertained by young 18 yo girls who will server our needs and can socialize with us for hours without breaking our bank accounts.

From what you wrote, I do not think this is the activity your are looking for. Stick to the upscale parties and enjoy yourself. You will go home with a girlfriend.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Sheraton Ambassador
Raddison Ancira
Crowne Plaza

AND (I forgot): the Howard Johnson Monterrey (richt across the Bario Antiguo)


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Hotels that are walking distance from the Barrio Antiguo are:

Sheraton Ambassador
Raddison Ancira
Crowne Plaza
All upscale hotels, they are like 5 blocks away except the Crowne, which is 7 blocks away.


[QUOTE=Barefoot Chap][QUOTE=Carlos Perez]If you are planning to come down here to hit it off at the bar scene, this is not the place to come.
Monterrey has a great night spot area called the Barrio Antiguo (not the Zona Rosa, that is just a simple park with hotels around it) which atracts your age range.
Thing is that it is a very closed generation of 18, 20somethings up to 35somethings, locals that only reacts to groups, not individuals.
You group has to be flashy and willing to spend money on an all nighter spree.
Hard to describe it, but even me as a local, it is a circle that is not within my reach.[/QUOTE]

Ok, it's been 10 days since I returned from MTY. All I returned with was a bad cold. I "sampled" all the venues available in MTY and am concluding that I enjoyed the "room girls" the best. There was no song and dance. AND we had a nice comfortable hotel room and bed. And NO bed bugs. The clubs are fine but never enjoyed the vertical position...The masajes are a lot of song and dance and little bang for the buck. So, as usual UnoBob is right: to each his own. Maybe after I become a verteran like you UnoBob I will have a Harem. You are my hero! I enjoy all your insight. Thanks!

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]If I am correct in my assumptions, those are the girls that stand in the doorway immediately outside of that hotel on the South side of the street that runs West between Madero and Colon from Pino Suarez, Pino Suarez being the same street the PDA is located on? Of course, I see the girls standing there all the time. That corner has been "staffed" for at least five years. I doubt they are generally in league with the cops because they are there all the time. I doubt they would sustain their business for the last five years on that same corner were the cops involved too much in shake downs. But, if it were going to occur, that IS the circumstance by which the cops could most definitely shake you down.

I have also heard they are "reasonable" in price, but I have never tried them out. I've always been warned to stay clear of them because they are just not GFE material. I have always anticipated that their service would be more akin to what I could obtain from the streetwalkers in my own town here in the US, and probably for about the same price, or maybe a little more for full service, but not much more.

I would put the US streetwalker in the same category as the room girls in the border towns. I've always suspected that they lack the "charm" I enjoy, are sometimes diseased, and I always feared that they are more likely to run a game on you, rob you, etc...than the girls I bar fine from the clubs.

Of course, the cost for streetwalkers in the US is a little more than the cost of room girls in the border towns and MTY, but if you factor in all the travel costs, hotel, airfare, bus fare, whatever, there is really no reason to make that trip unless the quality of selection is superior, and I mean far superior.

That isn't meant as a criticizm of someone who might choose to visit MTY or the border towns to see the room girls, but I just don't really understand the motivation. The same quality is available in the border towns, so why travel all the way to MTY? I can tell you that the quality of selection among the room girls in MTY is nowhere near what is available in the strip clubs there.

If your sessions were acceptable Ken T, you might also be interested in knowing that there are more of the same thing on the other side of the street. Almost directly across from the street you were on, about 40 feet in from the entrance of the flea markets. The girls stand outside a bar/hotel there along the alley parallel with the flea market booths. The girls are not usually anything I would particularly be attracted to, but I have noticed a couple that were doable. There have been only one or two over the course of the last five years that actually had me looking twice.

However, because I know my own preferences, I've never really pushed the envelope there, not even if I saw one that moderately attracted me. Frankly, I believe you would probably have slightly better experiences were you to partake with the massage parlor girls instead. Except, the cost there will probably run you at least 400-600 pesos, significantly more than what you paid.

I know I am paying a lot of money when I bar fine the girls from the strip clubs. I mean no offense when I say this, but they are considerably better looking than most of the room girls, and generally the club girls have charming personalities to match. I have always thought the room girls generally lacked in charm and personality, and of course they are not generally up to the standard of a stripper as far as looks. I see the room girls in MTY as being on more of a par with the room girls in the border towns, Nuevo Laredo, Reynosa, etc...

One other thing too that I have always liked about the club girls in MTY, and this is also true of the massage parlor girls as well, is that they are checked weekly by a doctor as part of their authorization to work. The room girls in MTY have no such safety net. I know 200 pesos is pretty tempting, but when you bar fine a club girl, or visit a massage parlor, both of which are more expensive, you're getting not only beauty, but charm, relative safety, and a measure of health insurance along with the additional cost.

That's the reason Carlos reacts that way when he hears that you went to the room girls. They are just a notch below our typical service providers, and none of us have really partaken there for fear that we will likely be comparatively disappointed.

Everything is relative to whatever is affordable for each individual. Don't take what I am about to say as some kind stuck-up "superiorizm." I fully understand when guys must, due to budgetary considerations, partake primarily in massage girls and room girls. But, I feel compelled to also point out that if room girls were the only thing you were able to find, and budgetary restrictions were not an issue, you have literally just clipped the slimy tip of the perverbial iceberg in MTY.

If the room girls is the extent of your experience in MTY, then I feel obligated to inform you that you have overlooked the club scene. Frankly, for a little more than what you paid for a session with a room girl, you could have had almost the same amount of fun, maybe more, with an absolutely gorgeous stripper in the privados (VIP booths) of the strip clubs.[/QUOTE]

Please do. Might be someone else mongering around...


[QUOTE=Barefoot Chap]I'll post my arrival date if anyone want s to meet for a beer. Trust me I know non pros are more expensive and being that I don't want to leave my family in the cold here in the USA, I'll probably be doing more mongering than I think.[/QUOTE]

The beauty of my work does not limit me to a specific location. I can pretty much work anywhere anytime. I am all setup work out of MTY just like I can work from my office here in the USA.

But I have my eyes down there to watch over my chicas and it looks like these eye are getting too close.

Anyway, I was thinking when USB goes down on his next trip, we should introduce him to my "D" girl who is now working at El Info. He will surely get her full GFE and take a load off of my shoulders.

What do you say Carlos? After all, what are friends for? She'll spend the entire day, and night, whether he likes it or not, with him showing him around and even taking him to a gay dance clubs. He can thank us later.

Wasted

Finally am convinced you do not like USB.
The "D" girl?????
She will crush him!!!

By the way the D girl sends her regards from the I place and would you believe no one was paying attention to Vico (again from the I place)!!!

We are getting some of the cold weather that's been hitting the USA. The forecast says it will hit fully on Tuesday.
The girls at the clubs are gonna suffer. Most of the clubs have no heating.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]The beauty of my work does not limit me to a specific location. I can pretty much work anywhere anytime. I am all setup work out of MTY just like I can work from my office here in the USA.

But I have my eyes down there to watch over my chicas and it looks like these eye are getting too close.

Anyway, I was thinking when USB goes down on his next trip, we should introduce him to my "D" girl who is now working at El Info. He will surely get her full GFE and take a load off of my shoulders.

What do you say Carlos? After all, what are friends for? She'll spend the entire day, and night, whether he likes it or not, with him showing him around and even taking him to a gay dance clubs. He can thank us later.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I wish I was there to keep'em warm.

No Carlos. You know USB is my buddy. I want the best for him. D girl would be great. She will tame him, hug him, pet him and call him George :) .. He will love her nalgas. I still have not found any other girl with such perfection.

I think he should take her out once. Salida. He MUST get a taste of the D girl. It would be an experience of a lifetime for him, NOT.

I can not believe Vico's. There must be something wrong with her. Tell USB to give her a spin. She is so cute with her braces and her funny laugh. ehe ehe. She laughs like a child. She must be doing something wrong to scare the guys away. Put her on lay-away for me for my next trip. I'll sala her. Maybe the "X" would play with her. I do recall my other girls giving me the thumps down on Vico.

Here's my prediction. The "D" girl WILL have a fight at the club and end up being kicked out then she will move back to the El C place. Have a fight there and go to Tangalay or Gevenchy. I also strongly expect that she had fights at Cancun and that's the only reason she is not back yet. If you recall, she had a major fight at the after hour place for those girls “ghost” where she broke a window and knocked out the bouncer's teeth only to end up hand-cuffed and spending 3 days in jail. The girl she was fighting with was Tania’s sister during the El Cielo days. Yes, USB should take her out .. NOT.

Wasted


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Finally am convinced you do not like USB.
The "D" girl?????
She will crush him!!!

By the way the D girl sends her regards from the I place and would you believe no one was paying attention to Vico (again from the I place)!!!

We are getting some of the cold weather that's been hitting the USA. The forecast says it will hit fully on Tuesday.
The girls at the clubs are gonna suffer. Most of the clubs have no heating.[/QUOTE]

Wasted G writing here of Vico reminds me of my D girl at the O place.
She is a great friend (notice: "friend") that had many customers. Once I was like 3rd in line to have her seat with me. On Fridays she had many waiting for her.
Thing is that my D girl does not have sex with customers (at 5 star clubs like the O place, the girls can exercise that option), so I knew from experience that it would be a matter of time for her regulars to get tired of her way of working (not only sex, she doesn't like fondling or groping nor kissing).
Now, she depends on die hard regulars like me or new customers to get her drinks and ergo, her commisions.
Vico at the I place must be suffering this too. She must be very impresing downstairs, on stage or walking around the floor, but I've noticed that she does not have regulars or that they don't fight for her to take her to privados unlike the J girl, the R girl, my G girl, Alexa, Athena, Syria, Dennisse and you can be witness of how guys are waiting at the foot of the stairs to get them back up again.
You don't see this with Vico at all.
This also happens to the nefarious Michelle. She is so impressing on stage that they pick her up on the spot. But she is so nasty and mean with the customers that no one goes back for her after one privado.
So I guess this is what happens to Vico.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I wish I was there to keep'em warm.

No Carlos. You know USB is my buddy. I want the best for him. D girl would be great. She will tame him, hug him, pet him and call him George :) .. He will love her nalgas. I still have not found any other girl with such perfection.

I think he should take her out once. Salida. He MUST get a taste of the D girl. It would be an experience of a lifetime for him, NOT.

I can not believe Vico's. There must be something wrong with her. Tell USB to give her a spin. She is so cute with her braces and her funny laugh. ehe ehe. She laughs like a child. She must be doing something wrong to scare the guys away. Put her on lay-away for me for my next trip. I'll sala her. Maybe the "X" would play with her. I do recall my other girls giving me the thumps down on Vico.

Here's my prediction. The "D" girl WILL have a fight at the club and end up being kicked out then she will move back to the El C place. Have a fight there and go to Tangalay or Gevenchy. I also strongly expect that she had fights at Cancun and that's the only reason she is not back yet. If you recall, she had a major fight at the after hour place for those girls “ghost” where she broke a window and knocked out the bouncer's teeth only to end up hand-cuffed and spending 3 days in jail. The girl she was fighting with was Tania’s sister during the El Cielo days. Yes, USB should take her out .. NOT.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I noticed, and as I told you before, your D girl from the O place is very sincere. That I could tell from the way she would hug 'me' goodbye while you go angry. But seriously, you recall me telling you that I thought she shows the 'good friend' type. Even when we arrive before you, she would set with me and keeps me and "J" company for a few minutes.

Is she back at the "O"? Does she talk to "J"? And Lina?

My schedule is now up in the air. 2 of my clients merged and put all projects on hold for evaluation until an unknown time. I do not know when I can sneak down to MTY but I am aiming for end of January, maybe. We'll see.

If my D girl is still at the "I" place, I will not be worried. I’ll play it cool. She’ll get a chance to see Wasted in action and realize I am not the old simple one-woman man I was when she first met me. It will probably be her that will give me the cold shoulder. I Hope. But I am not really concerned at all. It will be a new experience for me too. Oh the fun.

I witnessed Michelle in action once in privados. She was talking to her customer as if she as reading him the menu. Out load without any emotions what so ever. She is like a robot unlike any other girls. Walks around naked with no shame and walks tall. Her stage dance is outstanding but she is the coldest I had ever seen. Yells at my "X" for yelling out my name while she herself is with another client. My tough "X" feared her and never aid another word. However, she is a good dancer. Love to watch her move.

Wasted


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Wasted G writing here of Vico reminds me of my D girl at the O place.
She is a great friend (notice: "friend") that had many customers. Once I was like 3rd in line to have her seat with me. On Fridays she had many waiting for her.
Thing is that my D girl does not have sex with customers (at 5 star clubs like the O place, the girls can exercise that option), so I knew from experience that it would be a matter of time for her regulars to get tired of her way of working (not only sex, she doesn't like fondling or groping nor kissing).
Now, she depends on die hard regulars like me or new customers to get her drinks and ergo, her commisions.
Vico at the I place must be suffering this too. She must be very impresing downstairs, on stage or walking around the floor, but I've noticed that she does not have regulars or that they don't fight for her to take her to privados unlike the J girl, the R girl, my G girl, Alexa, Athena, Syria, Dennisse and you can be witness of how guys are waiting at the foot of the stairs to get them back up again.
You don't see this with Vico at all.
This also happens to the nefarious Michelle. She is so impressing on stage that they pick her up on the spot. But she is so nasty and mean with the customers that no one goes back for her after one privado.
So I guess this is what happens to Vico.[/QUOTE]

I know your "D" girl from EC, I, and Cancun. I have never bar fined her, but based on your "soap opera" from before, I doubt if I would survive her antics. Plus, my own experiences with "angry girl," AKA, the "C" girl, has caused me to really re-evaluate my vulnerabilities.

As a result, I am committed to supressing any feelings of friendship and/or genuine affection that might have existed between me and certain bar girls. Certainly, I am committed to surpressing any feelings that might otherwise potentially develop between me and any future bar girl I come in contact with.

No, the "C" girl has really changed...she is undoubtedly probably on the road to being a junky. Something that really turns me off. Plus, last time I was there, I remember thinking just how unbelievably thin, almost sickly thin, she was becoming. All a result of drug use, no doubt.

In discussing girls that do not seem to have many repeat customers, she is another of the bunch you previously mentioned. There are just certain girls that do not apparently have the personality to "hold" a steady customer.

The "C" girl is one that is like the other less popular girls you mentioned. She is always dancing up a storm on stage, but dance is not sufficient to entice customers into long term patronage. I have to admit that her dance moves are actually quite good. But, even with some degree of dance talent, she lacks the neccessary personality to lure many steady, long term, clients.

I've learned too that sometimes when you find these girls when they are fresh, such as I did initially with the "C" girl, before she changed from her real name, "M" to "C," I would judge them on their fresh sweet attitudes. If you catch them early, I've learned that I can also expect them to sometimes change quickly over time.

The business has a huge devastating effect on females. If you know them from the beginning, and especially before the business changes them for the worse, you sometimes, over the course of knowing them, find yourself excusing behavior that might have otherwise turned you off if it were your first encounter with them.

They will start to subtely exhibit behavior that warns you that they are becoming much more hardened compared to when you knew them in the beginning, such as was the case with me and "C." But, you find yourself sometimes excuseing the signs that they are losing their edge because they have wormed their way into your heart. You excuse them because you have developed a fondness for them, a fondness based on what once was, and not based upon what actually is in the moment. You are sometimes blinded for old times sake.

With respect to "C," I have no anomosity toward her. I have no feelings either way. I have decided that she is not a girl that appeals to me like she once did, and she doesn't really attract me like she once did when she was sweeter, before the business totally corrupted her. I don't say these things because she has dismissed me or offended me per se, but because I had begun to notice the changes at least two months before our confrontation and subsequent "seperation."

The purpose for my commenting on the "C" girl to begin with is to illustrate how these girls change over time, how they lose their appeal quickly, how some of them have such magnetism to begin with, but lose it relatively fast. The business can effect them like a cancer, sometimes a very fast cancer that consumes whatever remains of their innocent charm.

But, thankfully, there is a very small percentage of them that develop tremendous appeal as they gain experience, provided they are able to weather the destruction that so commonly ruins most of them, such as what I experienced with the "C" girl.

But, while one of them might actually become better at their jobs, for every one improved provider, there are ten that have become "untouchable," ruined personalities, ruined bodies from drug use, ruined psychologically from the female guilt that accompanies their chosen profession, ruined from excessive drinking, ruined from the loud obnoxious noise and deafening music night after night, the smoke, the pawing...it's endless. Even the Red Chinese could not come up with psychological tortures that could surpass what these girls endure on a nightly basis, month after month, year after year. So, consequently, it's not surprising that most of them develop personality disorders that are painfully predictable. The truth is, I pitty them.

And, as for my evaluation of the girls at the "I" place, girls like "R" are popular because they have outstanding personalities, and they are great performers, in spite of the destructive effects of their profession. The "R" girls is a super star, and she is exceptional.

But, in her specific case, I must comment on one thing. I don't really like fake boobs. There is a tendency for fake boobs to attract attention, but in the final analysis, I find that they are "teasers" and not "pleasers." I know she made that move to extend the time that she might have to capitalize on her availability in the profession. She is becoming an old lady at, what(?) 26-27 years old. So, I fully understand.

But, what truly sustains her popularity is her personality and charm. Something that was still quite profitable for her prior to her decision to get fake boobs by the way. She is a perfect example of a girl who has been able to weather the storm of her profession, and to do it profitably, with grace, and a certain amount of dignity.

Coming back to the fake boobs discussion...I think that fake boobs are kind of a bait and switch tactic. I prefer "naturales." But, what really attracts me to "R" is not her knew found clevage, but her outstanding personality and charm. It is an attribute that is far better than her physical attributes, her unbelievable personality. But, as fake boobs go, she has some of the best I have seen, and if I were her novio, I would not neccessarily be displeased with her fake boobs. Her's are moderate in size, proportional...very well done, for fake boobs that is.

But, even if her boobs are fake, she is pretty damned physically attractive to me even at this juncture, even after knowning her for almost 4 years now. But, frankly, I think it's the skimpy costume, the dark lights, the makeup, etc...Case in point...

I'll never forget seeing "R" outside El Infinito one day in the daylight and thinking she had kind of a fat face, and fat butt, squeezed almost painfully into a pair of undersized bluejeans. Woodway and me were standing outside the club just killing time, not really waiting for anybody to come out in particular, just hanging out for a minute before going into the club when she focused immediately in on me as she came through the front door.

Anyway, when "R" walked out of the club, I almost didn't recognize her in street clothes. She was still a cute girl, and I was still attracted to her, but I was surprised at how she almost had to walk directly right up to me for me to recognize her.

The funny thing about that encounter was that she recognized me from afar, not hesitating to cross the street to inquire whom I might be waiting for, hahaha. I think she suspected she was going to learn of some gossip, me going with whomever...but, I was just killing time. As a Gringo, you can run, but you can not hide, right?

But, from that one encounter, I will always remember how even the most popular girls in the clubs are generally just "the girl next door" outside the clubs. And, as Carlos has always preached, in the light of day, sometimes they do not even stack up to the girl next door.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I noticed, and as I told you before, your D girl from the O place is very sincere. That I could tell from the way she would hug 'me' goodbye while you go angry. But seriously, you recall me telling you that I thought she shows the 'good friend' type. Even when we arrive before you, she would set with me and keeps me and "J" company for a few minutes.

Is she back at the "O"? Does she talk to "J"? And Lina?

My schedule is now up in the air. 2 of my clients merged and put all projects on hold for evaluation until an unknown time. I do not know when I can sneak down to MTY but I am aiming for end of January, maybe. We'll see.

If my D girl is still at the "I" place, I will not be worried. I’ll play it cool. She’ll get a chance to see Wasted in action and realize I am not the old simple one-woman man I was when she first met me. It will probably be her that will give me the cold shoulder. I Hope. But I am not really concerned at all. It will be a new experience for me too. Oh the fun.

I witnessed Michelle in action once in privados. She was talking to her customer as if she as reading him the menu. Out load without any emotions what so ever. She is like a robot unlike any other girls. Walks around naked with no shame and walks tall. Her stage dance is outstanding but she is the coldest I had ever seen. Yells at my "X" for yelling out my name while she herself is with another client. My tough "X" feared her and never aid another word. However, she is a good dancer. Love to watch her move.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Talking about being tough....
My nightshift "D" girl at the I place, well she did take a hard stance when she saw me doing my new Lamb "B" of the afternoon shift.
The D girl acted nasty with me when I took her to a privado. She said "yeah sure, yes, am the last in the list after you f***g all the afternoon girls, yeah right".
All the guys that visit Monterrey know am really swell guy with the girls, not bad nor tough, but I had to take a hard, really hard footing with my D girl.
I told her, snapping my finger on her face and telling her loud enough so other could hear it, that if she didn't stop bickering about it, if she didn't soldier and take it with a stiff upper lip I was going to walk out and leave her there at the privado to do as she wished.
Let me tell you that as I told her this, my guts were hurting. I was thinking on the spot at the same time I was threating her, that she was so pretty (way to go Carlos), that I was going to miss her and that if she didn't care at all for me, she was truely going to be a great loss.
Luckly she took the whole hook, line and sinker. It was one hell of a gamble and it totally worked.
As I started to back out of the privado she told me something (I don't recall cause my ears were buzzing) but she was grabing me, as if not to let me go.
This kind of gambles are hard on the spirit if you are not the kind that is tough on the girls as a habit.
Me, I just like the girls and the company....



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I noticed, and as I told you before, your D girl from the O place is very sincere. That I could tell from the way she would hug 'me' goodbye while you go angry. But seriously, you recall me telling you that I thought she shows the 'good friend' type. Even when we arrive before you, she would set with me and keeps me and "J" company for a few minutes.

Is she back at the "O"? Does she talk to "J"? And Lina?

My schedule is now up in the air. 2 of my clients merged and put all projects on hold for evaluation until an unknown time. I do not know when I can sneak down to MTY but I am aiming for end of January, maybe. We'll see.

If my D girl is still at the "I" place, I will not be worried. I’ll play it cool. She’ll get a chance to see Wasted in action and realize I am not the old simple one-woman man I was when she first met me. It will probably be her that will give me the cold shoulder. I Hope. But I am not really concerned at all. It will be a new experience for me too. Oh the fun.

I witnessed Michelle in action once in privados. She was talking to her customer as if she as reading him the menu. Out load without any emotions what so ever. She is like a robot unlike any other girls. Walks around naked with no shame and walks tall. Her stage dance is outstanding but she is the coldest I had ever seen. Yells at my "X" for yelling out my name while she herself is with another client. My tough "X" feared her and never aid another word. However, she is a good dancer. Love to watch her move.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

That's IT!!!!!!!!!! You have two girls now at the "I" place, "D," and now "B." What happened to "G," your other lamb. You have obviously grown tired of her.

That's it, you guys are taking all the available girls at the "I" place!!!! :-(

I hereby put you on notice publicly Carlos, within the forum!!! You have enough girls at the "I" place. I am hereby going after the "G" girl, who is my former girlfriend anyway. Just ask her. We got together long before you found her. She IS MINE!!!!!

If that does not set well, I am sorry :-) It will cost you "BIG TIME.!"

No more "Wet Ones" Sanitary Wipes for you!!! (just kidding :-) hehehehe! I will bring them...but, "G" is open season now.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Talking about being tough....
My nightshift "D" girl at the I place, well she did take a hard stance when she saw me doing my new Lamb "B" of the afternoon shift.
The D girl acted nasty with me when I took her to a privado. She said "yeah sure, yes, am the last in the list after you f***g all the afternoon girls, yeah right".
All the guys that visit Monterrey know am really swell guy with the girls, not bad nor tough, but I had to take a hard, really hard footing with my D girl.
I told her, snapping my finger on her face and telling her loud enough so other could hear it, that if she didn't stop bickering about it, if she didn't soldier and take it with a stiff upper lip I was going to walk out and leave her there at the privado to do as she wished.
Let me tell you that as I told her this, my guts were hurting. I was thinking on the spot at the same time I was threating her, that she was so pretty (way to go Carlos), that I was going to miss her and that if she didn't care at all for me, she was truely going to be a great loss.
Luckly she took the whole hook, line and sinker. It was one hell of a gamble and it totally worked.
As I started to back out of the privado she told me something (I don't recall cause my ears were buzzing) but she was grabing me, as if not to let me go.
This kind of gambles are hard on the spirit if you are not the kind that is tough on the girls as a habit.
Me, I just like the girls and the company....[/QUOTE]

Sorry to tell you, but the G girl is my main girl.
The B girl is my alternate as are the I girl and the P girl, all afternoon shift girls.
The D girl is night shift, so that belongs to another list of girls...


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]That's IT!!!!!!!!!! You have two girls now at the "I" place, "D," and now "B." What happened to "G," your other lamb. You have obviously grown tired of her.

That's it, you guys are taking all the available girls at the "I" place!!!! :-(

I hereby put you on notice publicly Carlos, within the forum!!! You have enough girls at the "I" place. I am hereby going after the "G" girl, who is my former girlfriend anyway. Just ask her. We got together long before you found her. She IS MINE!!!!!

If that does not set well, I am sorry :-) It will cost you "BIG TIME.!"

No more "Wet Ones" Sanitary Wipes for you!!! (just kidding :-) hehehehe! I will bring them...but, "G" is open season now.[/QUOTE]

USB: What gives dude? Don't listen to Carlos. Let's just go ahead with our plan: "Cheap perfumes." Carlos will be the one running away :)

When are you going down? I'm working on my next trip with Mr. "L"

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Sorry to tell you, but the G girl is my main girl.
The B girl is my alternate as are the I girl and the P girl, all afternoon shift girls.
The D girl is night shift, so that belongs to another list of girls...[/QUOTE]

WastedG, I am returning to MTY this Saturday evening. I will be arriving via the Primera Plus bus from Laredo. I should arrive in MTY by about 8-9pm Saturday night if all goes well. I am staying through Thursday night, heading back to Laredo to catch a flight home on Friday morning, 1/25. So, I will be in town from 1/20 through the night of 1/25, six nights of bliss.

Don't worry, "G" is mine, and always has been. I merely loan her to Carlos so he can deal with all of his unseemly male frustrations...But, she is actually mine. I found her a couple of years ago. I think I am going to buy her a bunch of Charlie perfume, ask her to start wearing a lot of glitter on her clothing, and get her hooked on smoking cigarettes. That will take care of the issue, si? Say hello to Mr. "L" for me. But, ask him to wear an ugly wrinkled suit, shave his head, and he should gain about 80 pounds, Ok?

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]USB: What gives dude? Don't listen to Carlos. Let's just go ahead with our plan: "Cheap perfumes." Carlos will be the one running away :)

When are you going down? I'm working on my next trip with Mr. "L"[/QUOTE]

We’re on USB - I arrive same time as you. Should be at PDA around 8:30 PM. And as luck would have it, you and I will have 3 days before Mr. "L" arrives so we can pick and chose as we please before he comes down and we end up with the leftovers.

I have not seen "G" for a while. Is she back and where the heck has she been?

The other amazing surprise for me is that my lovely "N" from "P" is returning to MTY in a week from now. I will be the luckiest man in MTY since we plan to hook up again. Wait 'till I tell you about the fight she had with my "J" girl at the "O" place.

On the ugly side, my dreadful "D" girl from el cielo is also working at the "I" place and she SMS'ed me today saying come on down. Can I persuade you into making her fall in love with you so she would leave me alone? :)

I've been having nothing but absolute fun in MTY lately. I am so looking forward to next week. Let's meet at the "I" around 9 pm?

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, I am returning to MTY this Saturday evening. I will be arriving via the Primera Plus bus from Laredo. I should arrive in MTY by about 8-9pm Saturday night if all goes well. I am staying through Thursday night, heading back to Laredo to catch a flight home on Friday morning, 1/25. So, I will be in town from 1/20 through the night of 1/25, six nights of bliss.

Don't worry, "G" is mine, and always has been. I merely loan her to Carlos so he can deal with all of his unseemly male frustrations...But, she is actually mine. I found her a couple of years ago. I think I am going to buy her a bunch of Charlie perfume, ask her to start wearing a lot of glitter on her clothing, and get her hooked on smoking cigarettes. That will take care of the issue, si? Say hello to Mr. "L" for me. But, ask him to wear an ugly wrinkled suit, shave his head, and he should gain about 80 pounds, Ok?[/QUOTE]

Ok, see you there at the "I" place around 9pm. As I mentioned, I am coming via the bus. So, it depends on whether my flight arrives in Laredo on schedule, which also effects whether my bus arrives in MTY according to my plans. I will be staying at the HP, also now known as the HME, the result of a name change a couple of months ago. At least, I should be arriving Saturday night anyway, sooner or later.

I have a girl in El Cielo that I've been trying to hook up with since two trips ago, but I did not see her on the last trip. She is a new girl for me, but one that I've seen around El Cielo for a while. But, she actually wanted to go with me for 350 pesos, todo la noche, and she was going to pay the bar fine. She has a smokin' body, an ass to die for, and...well, I have plenty of paper bags in my luggage. So, you get my meaning :-).

As for "G," Carlos should reliquish her to my capable hands. She is mi "cordera" (lamb). I actually bar fined her months ago, several times. To my knowledge, Carlos has not really bar fined her, but limits his activities to the privados. Bar fining supersedes privado activity. I have seniority as a result, right?

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]We’re on USB - I arrive same time as you. Should be at PDA around 8:30 PM. And as luck would have it, you and I will have 3 days before Mr. "L" arrives so we can pick and chose as we please before he comes down and we end up with the leftovers.

I have not seen "G" for a while. Is she back and where the heck has she been?

The other amazing surprise for me is that my lovely "N" from "P" is returning to MTY in a week from now. I will be the luckiest man in MTY since we plan to hook up again. Wait 'till I tell you about the fight she had with my "J" girl at the "O" place.

On the ugly side, my dreadful "D" girl from el cielo is also working at the "I" place and she SMS'ed me today saying come on down. Can I persuade you into making her fall in love with you so she would leave me alone? :)

I've been having nothing but absolute fun in MTY lately. I am so looking forward to next week. Let's meet at the "I" around 9 pm?

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Relinquish the G girl to you?
NEVER!

PS: by the way, it is cool here in Monterry and it will be cool and miserable (drizzle and rain) during your stay... please bring your raincoats.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Ok, see you there at the "I" place around 9pm. As I mentioned, I am coming via the bus. So, it depends on whether my flight arrives in Laredo on schedule, which also effects whether my bus arrives in MTY according to my plans. I will be staying at the HP, also now known as the HME, the result of a name change a couple of months ago. At least, I should be arriving Saturday night anyway, sooner or later.

I have a girl in El Cielo that I've been trying to hook up with since two trips ago, but I did not see her on the last trip. She is a new girl for me, but one that I've seen around El Cielo for a while. But, she actually wanted to go with me for 350 pesos, todo la noche, and she was going to pay the bar fine. She has a smokin' body, an ass to die for, and...well, I have plenty of paper bags in my luggage. So, you get my meaning :-).

As for "G," Carlos should reliquish her to my capable hands. She is mi "cordera" (lamb). I actually bar fined her months ago, several times. To my knowledge, Carlos has not really bar fined her, but limits his activities to the privados. Bar fining supersedes privado activity. I have seniority as a result, right?[/QUOTE]

This should be an interesting Saturday night:

I'll watch you too fight over the "G" girl while I try to hide from my "D" girl while my "X" girl tries to eat my "B" girl. With all the confusion, I'll take Carlos' "D" girl for a ride to hide from my "S" and "P" girl. hmmmm

At the end, I might take all the girls to the dance club and watch them fight each other. USB, wanna come with?

Carlos, cool weather? It's freezing cold down there. I'm gonna need 3 girls to keep me warm in bed.

Any cookies?

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Relinquish the G girl to you?
NEVER!

PS: by the way, it is cool here in Monterry and it will be cool and miserable (drizzle and rain) during your stay... please bring your raincoats.[/QUOTE]

Cookies??? Of course mis amigos! What else can I use to entice the girls other than my delicious cookies. I have to have some kind of edge, and the cookies are it!!! (Oh yeah, and the pocket rocket(s) too, verdad!!!)

As for the "G" girl. I did not give the cookie recipe to Carlos. So, we'll see who prevails.

By the way, Carlos, I am a little worried...your "package" has not arrived yet from BB.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]This should be an interesting Saturday night:

I'll watch you too fight over the "G" girl while I try to hide from my "D" girl while my "X" girl tries to eat my "B" girl. With all the confusion, I'll take Carlos' "D" girl for a ride to hide from my "S" and "P" girl. hmmmm

At the end, I might take all the girls to the dance club and watch them fight each other. USB, wanna come with?

Carlos, cool weather? It's freezing cold down there. I'm gonna need 3 girls to keep me warm in bed.

Any cookies?

Wasted[/QUOTE]

You can do whatever you want... try holding hands between both of you guys.
My girls will prevail whatever you try on them.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Cookies??? Of course mis amigos! What else can I use to entice the girls other than my delicious cookies. I have to have some kind of edge, and the cookies are it!!! (Oh yeah, and the pocket rocket(s) too, verdad!!!)

As for the "G" girl. I did not give the cookie recipe to Carlos. So, we'll see who prevails.

By the way, Carlos, I am a little worried...your "package" has not arrived yet from BB.[/QUOTE]

So, what is the salida to hold hands??? Hands only???

Not neccessarily what I had in mind, but beggars can not be choosers!

By the way, you can relax. BB came through.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]You can do whatever you want... try holding hands between both of you guys.
My girls will prevail whatever you try on them.[/QUOTE]

Here's what I told Carlos:

We'll have the girls line up across the club and we will call out to them to see who they run to.

I tell you, if my "D" girl is working that night, I'm gonna be all alone.She will scare them all away. I hope she goes to Carlos.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]So, what is the salida to hold hands??? Hands only???

Not neccessarily what I had in mind, but beggars can not be choosers!

By the way, you can relax. BB came through.[/QUOTE]

Hummmmm,

Maybe "D" could scare "Angry Girl" in my direction...NOT!!!

I am joking...I really don't want her!!!

Guys, there is a dude visiting MTY right now who is attempting determine if he can get away with bringing girls into the Sheraton. He is communicating with me through the PM system, and I asked him to test the waters. It might be interesting if he pull it off. Carlos, didn't our friend, Mr. "T," (the one whose father introduced us) stay at the Sheraton? And, wasn't he unsuccessful bringing girls in there?

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Here's what I told Carlos:

We'll have the girls line up across the club and we will call out to them to see who they run to.

I tell you, if my "D" girl is working that night, I'm gonna be all alone.She will scare them all away. I hope she goes to Carlos.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Yes he can.
Both T, K and G (from California) were able to have girls in their rooms at the Sheraton, no problem with the hotel at all.

They only need to have registered, and paid for, double occupancy.

Who's the dude? anyone we know?


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hummmmm,

Maybe "D" could scare "Angry Girl" in my direction...NOT!!!

I am joking...I really don't want her!!!

Guys, there is a dude visiting MTY right now who is attempting determine if he can get away with bringing girls into the Sheraton. He is communicating with me through the PM system, and I asked him to test the waters. It might be interesting if he pull it off. Carlos, didn't our friend, Mr. "T," (the one whose father introduced us) stay at the Sheraton? And, wasn't he unsuccessful bringing girls in there?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't think we know him. I probably steered him wrong in doubting he could get a girl in there, but I think he was going to try it anyway. I encouraged him to make the effort, but I am surprised to hear that it's girl friendly.

Is the Sheraton in upscale downtown, away from our haunts. It is slightly more difficult to travel easily to the clubs, right? What's the cost of the Sheraton for double occupancy?

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Yes he can.
Both T, K and G (from California) were able to have girls in their rooms at the Sheraton, no problem with the hotel at all.

They only need to have registered, and paid for, double occupancy.

Who's the dude? anyone we know?[/QUOTE]

Yes, the Sheraton Ambassador is definitely GF.

Double occupancy doesn't cost any more than single. Just have to remember to register as 2 when you make the reservation (now a habit of mine whenever I book a room, even in Sex Prison).

Rooms run about $170-200, however the trick is to use Starwood points to get a room for 4000 points (quite a bargain).

Rooms are pretty nice and on the club floor they are fairly large.

Last time I was there, I was headed up to my room to get ready for a visit to the "I" place with Carlos. In the lobby I ran into another traveller with a "guest" in tow headed up to his room. Riding up the elevator was me, this guy and his chica and the silence was deafening. I had a big smile on, but this guy looked pretty sheepish about being "caught".

So the only real "cost" for taking a chica to the Sheraton, is the dreaded walk of shame.


Hope your new friend posts a report.

Cheers,
RtW

And right you are... thanx for adding info here on prices.
Yes, the Sheraton is the only one in the hotel distric that allows female company in the rooms.
Not the Radisson Ancira, nor the Crowne Plaza.
A visitor from Philly says that he has no trouble getting girls in at the Howard Johnson Monterrey.

By the way: RTW, when are you visiting again? the X girl you met last time at the I place has been tamed by Wasted.


[QUOTE=Round the World]Yes, the Sheraton Ambassador is definitely GF.

Double occupancy doesn't cost any more than single. Just have to remember to register as 2 when you make the reservation (now a habit of mine whenever I book a room, even in Sex Prison).

Rooms run about $170-200, however the trick is to use Starwood points to get a room for 4000 points (quite a bargain).

Rooms are pretty nice and on the club floor they are fairly large.

Last time I was there, I was headed up to my room to get ready for a visit to the "I" place with Carlos. In the lobby I ran into another traveller with a "guest" in tow headed up to his room. Riding up the elevator was me, this guy and his chica and the silence was deafening. I had a big smile on, but this guy looked pretty sheepish about being "caught".

So the only real "cost" for taking a chica to the Sheraton, is the dreaded walk of shame.


Hope your new friend posts a report.

Cheers,
RtW[/QUOTE]

Hey Carlos
As a matter of fact, I was just looking Aviacsa flights back to Monterrey. But I couldn't find any flights from now thru May. Did the LAX to MTY route get cancelled?

Would love to see X again... and take her back to a suite at the Sheraton.

Hope it happens soon.

Cheers,
RtW

I tried the Aviacsa site
([url]http://www.aviacsa.com/splash.cfm[/url])
... I got quotes for diffrent days.
Sure you go it right?



[QUOTE=Round the World]Hey Carlos
As a matter of fact, I was just looking Aviacsa flights back to Monterrey. But I couldn't find any flights from now thru May. Did the LAX to MTY route get cancelled?

Would love to see X again... and take her back to a suite at the Sheraton.

Hope it happens soon.

Cheers,
RtW[/QUOTE]

Carlos, What heck dude? Advertising my girls? That's it. I am declaring open season on all the girls.

All flights to MTY have been canceled and all clubs have shut down. :)

But seriously, X is fun but she is a real beast to handle. I would not recommend her for the weak of heart. You would think she is tamed but watch out; she will strike when you least expect it. Her feisty personality, her independence and her free spirit mixed with her controlling and conniving mind is what makes me love spending time with her. I love girls with confidence and evil skills (Energy, intelligence but no integrity). Controlling a girl like X is so orgasmic that sex comes as a bonus.

We should introduce RTW to my "D" girl there. She'll show him a great time. If he can handle her. She'll show him a good time ... pause .. NOT.

Come on down RTW. The gang will be there this coming week. Try other airlines. Why only Aviacsa?

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]And right you are... thanx for adding info here on prices.
Yes, the Sheraton is the only one in the hotel distric that allows female company in the rooms.
Not the Radisson Ancira, nor the Crowne Plaza.
A visitor from Philly says that he has no trouble getting girls in at the Howard Johnson Monterrey.

By the way: RTW, when are you visiting again? the X girl you met last time at the I place has been tamed by Wasted.[/QUOTE]

RTW lives in the LA area and Aviacsa has a real good deal for a direct flight MTY-LAX round trip.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Carlos, What heck dude? Advertising my girls? That's it. I am declaring open season on all the girls.

All flights to MTY have been canceled and all clubs have shut down. :)

But seriously, X is fun but she is a real beast to handle. I would not recommend her for the weak of heart. You would think she is tamed but watch out; she will strike when you least expect it. Her feisty personality, her independence and her free spirit mixed with her controlling and conniving mind is what makes me love spending time with her. I love girls with confidence and evil skills (Energy, intelligence but no integrity). Controlling a girl like X is so orgasmic that sex comes as a bonus.

We should introduce RTW to my "D" girl there. She'll show him a great time. If he can handle her. She'll show him a good time ... pause .. NOT.

Come on down RTW. The gang will be there this coming week. Try other airlines. Why only Aviacsa?

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Let me tell you guys that these past days have been quite horrible club wise.
I don't know if you knew this, but the clubs have NO heating. Or if they have it, like the big ones, they do not turn it on.
Clubs right now have up to 60% absentees.
For example, the Harem that boast 40-50 girls had only 15 girls working yesterday.
Casino had the same number.
Infinito, Matehuala are freezers.
We've had like 41 degrees droping at nights to 35.
Right now while am writing this post, it's 46 degrees.
Worse part is that even if the temperature raises to what would be like a "confortable" 59 degrees, the clubs won't warm up.
The weather forecast only indicates a maximum of 50 for the next days, with rain.

It's a tempting offer to visit MTY next week and meet with the illustrious gang of revelers from this board. There is really more community in the MTY section than in any other that I can recall.

Unfortunately, I have plans to go to Medellin, Colombia in the next couple of weeks... poor me. If that should fall thru, however, I would definitely reconsider joining y'all.

But Carlos' report on the cold sounds daunting... Or was that a bluff to fend off the herds of gringo touristas? ;) Besides, aren't the chicas choosing between their cold apartments or the cold floors of the clubs where there are plenty of warm-hearted, flush with cash men?

RtW

Smart thinking Rtw. You are starting to get to know Carlos. Yes, MTY is having a great weather and this his way of keeping the gringos like us away, NOT. (I'm kidding)

[url]http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/MXNL0068?from=36hr_topnav_business[/url]

Weather will still be cold next week but it should improve a little to mid to upper 50's and maybe low 60's. I think it's great since it is not windy. I love crisp weather like that. Just imagine walking down Madero Ave. with a little girl holding on to you to stay warm. Then up in the room... will ...

What the heck are you doing in Medellin? You gonna bring back some candy for us? I understand it's pretty rough down there. You have to have a piece on you, no?

Wasted

[QUOTE=Round the World]It's a tempting offer to visit MTY next week and meet with the illustrious gang of revelers from this board. There is really more community in the MTY section than in any other that I can recall.

Unfortunately, I have plans to go to Medellin, Colombia in the next couple of weeks... poor me. If that should fall thru, however, I would definitely reconsider joining y'all.

But Carlos' report on the cold sounds daunting... Or was that a bluff to fend off the herds of gringo touristas? ;) Besides, aren't the chicas choosing between their cold apartments or the cold floors of the clubs where there are plenty of warm-hearted, flush with cash men?

RtW[/QUOTE]

In the words of Old Capt. Bly, with that kind of weather, me thinks it might be time to go to San Jose, or Cali, or CTG, instead...or, good idea RTW, Medellin, aaaaarghhhhhhhh!!! Time to venture to a warmer carribean climate, verdad?

Carlos called me on my cell phone this evening, warning me of possible "slow" times in MTY, a result of very cold weather. Maybe rather than cancel my trip, I should change my ticket and fly to a different destination, one that is sure to be 97 degrees in the shade, such as Cali, SJ, Medellin, CTG, etc...

But, consider this gents...if the girls are too cold to work in the clubs, they are also not earning any money. One thing they need more than oxygen is money. So, with us blowing into town now, many of our regulars, if available via cell phone, are going to be really hard up for cash. So, that being the case, all we have to do is invite them over to our hotels, cut a deal, preferrable a "winter discount," and it's todo la noche in MTY, something that is not commonly enjoyed, right!!! My hotel room has plenty of heat, HVAC and me. I have my plans, now start making yours.

There is always a silver lining for us, the out of towners. But, for locals, such as Carlos, he lives and dies by the clubs. If you have done your homework in the clubs over the last few months, you should have an inventory of phone numbers to tap into during such opportune times.

Remember, todo la noche is relatively rare in MTY, but in this circumstance, the girls might be pretty desperate to show up. This could be quite a unique opportunity if you have a stable of girls to "weather the storm."

There is always a potential silver lining in every cloud...





[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Let me tell you guys that these past days have been quite horrible club wise.
I don't know if you knew this, but the clubs have NO heating. Or if they have it, like the big ones, they do not turn it on.
Clubs right now have up to 60% absentees.
For example, the Harem that boast 40-50 girls had only 15 girls working yesterday.
Casino had the same number.
Infinito, Matehuala are freezers.
We've had like 41 degrees droping at nights to 35.
Right now while am writing this post, it's 46 degrees.
Worse part is that even if the temperature raises to what would be like a "confortable" 59 degrees, the clubs won't warm up.
The weather forecast only indicates a maximum of 50 for the next days, with rain.[/QUOTE]

Just in from the clubs (1:30 am)
Weather: Rainy, 45 degrees.
Clubs are dead.
Harem had 20 girls, Casino 15 girls... and all freezing their asses to death.
At both places, only the die hard girls are working. They are the girls that we do not like (no salidas, no off hours extras).
I haven't been to the Infinito, but I could guess it would be the same, worse, since the privados are freezing.
I did go to the Prestige after lunch. Believe it or not the mens room had no heating. The buffete area was cold as a fridge... and this is a 5 star club.
You guys don't seem to understand that we are not used to prolonged cold weather. And hard cold for us is this, 45 and under.
This has been going on now for 4 days, tomorrow and the weekend will be the same and the weather update says that next week we are getting again temperatures close to freezing (take notes WastedG, bring your heavy coat).
I really can not vouch how it will work for you, but for me, all my Lambs of my Sacred Flock, with the exception of the afternoon shift at the Obsession and Prestige are not working at all.
And I do not agree with USB assessment that the girls will be willing for all nighters. The girls are at home with their kids cause their kids have no school (yes, we shut down schools when the thermometer hits below 41)
This cold spell is hurting the business really hard....





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]In the words of Old Capt. Bly, with that kind of weather, me thinks it might be time to go to San Jose, or Cali, or CTG, instead...or, good idea RTW, Medellin, aaaaarghhhhhhhh!!! Time to venture to a warmer carribean climate, verdad?

Carlos called me on my cell phone this evening, warning me of possible "slow" times in MTY, a result of very cold weather. Maybe rather than cancel my trip, I should change my ticket and fly to a different destination, one that is sure to be 97 degrees in the shade, such as Cali, SJ, Medellin, CTG, etc...

But, consider this gents...if the girls are too cold to work in the clubs, they are also not earning any money. One thing they need more than oxygen is money. So, with us blowing into town now, many of our regulars, if available via cell phone, are going to be really hard up for cash. So, that being the case, all we have to do is invite them over to our hotels, cut a deal, preferrable a "winter discount," and it's todo la noche in MTY, something that is not commonly enjoyed, right!!! My hotel room has plenty of heat, HVAC and me. I have my plans, now start making yours.

There is always a silver lining for us, the out of towners. But, for locals, such as Carlos, he lives and dies by the clubs. If you have done your homework in the clubs over the last few months, you should have an inventory of phone numbers to tap into during such opportune times.

Remember, todo la noche is relatively rare in MTY, but in this circumstance, the girls might be pretty desperate to show up. This could be quite a unique opportunity if you have a stable of girls to "weather the storm."

There is always a potential silver lining in every cloud...[/QUOTE]

On the other hand, my girls all seem to be able to find babysitters in order to come to work anyway, so why not substitute their fridgid work environments for a nice, comfortable, warm work environment instead, my hotel. That is my logic.

The girls are skipping work because they are themselves cold, and uncomfortable, not because they can not find babysitters. Their kids are always usually in the company of babysitters when they're at work. Normally, by the time the afternoon shift girls come to work, and certainly this is true of the night shift girls as well, their kids would be home from school already, so they are usually having to find babysitters anyway, and the fact that their kids are home from school ALL FRICKIN' DAY LONG, might make the girls eager to do a salida or two.

When I checked wunderground.com, Saturday and Sunday night are forecasted to be 59F/15C degrees, Monday Night 57F/14C, Tuesday Night 39F/4C(burrrrrrrrrr), Wednesday Night 44F/7C (burrrrr again), and Thursday Night 48F/9C.

So, Tuesday/Wednesday Night seems like it could be pretty slow again in the clubs. At least there is no rain in the forecast...cloudy conditions...but, no rain.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Just in from the clubs (1:30 am)
Weather: Rainy, 45 degrees.
Clubs are dead.
Harem had 20 girls, Casino 15 girls... and all freezing their asses to death.
At both places, only the die hard girls are working. They are the girls that we do not like (no salidas, no off hours extras).
I haven't been to the Infinito, but I could guess it would be the same, worse, since the privados are freezing.
I did go to the Prestige after lunch. Believe it or not the mens room had no heating. The buffete area was cold as a fridge... and this is a 5 star club.
You guys don't seem to understand that we are not used to prolonged cold weather. And hard cold for us is this, 45 and under.
This has been going on now for 4 days, tomorrow and the weekend will be the same and the weather update says that next week we are getting again temperatures close to freezing (take notes WastedG, bring your heavy coat).
I really can not vouch how it will work for you, but for me, all my Lambs of my Sacred Flock, with the exception of the afternoon shift at the Obsession and Prestige are not working at all.
And I do not agree with USB assessment that the girls will be willing for all nighters. The girls are at home with their kids cause their kids have no school (yes, we shut down schools when the thermometer hits below 41)
This cold spell is hurting the business really hard....[/QUOTE]

Either way you look at it, I still see it as positive. I have the numbers for most of my girls. I will 1st visit “Infiernito”, if I find one worth taking back, I will. (Hopefully not my “D” girl). If not, I'll go check out my 2 girls across the street and El Cielo.

Otherwise, I will start making calls.

Worst case, if I find no one, I save money. Maybe I'll spend an evening with you guys conducting knowledge transfer sessions.

See you Saturday at 9 pm at the EL Infinito.... or is it Infiernito :(

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Just in from the clubs (1:30 am)
Weather: Rainy, 45 degrees.
Clubs are dead.
Harem had 20 girls, Casino 15 girls... and all freezing their asses to death.
At both places, only the die hard girls are working. They are the girls that we do not like (no salidas, no off hours extras).
I haven't been to the Infinito, but I could guess it would be the same, worse, since the privados are freezing.
I did go to the Prestige after lunch. Believe it or not the mens room had no heating. The buffete area was cold as a fridge... and this is a 5 star club.
You guys don't seem to understand that we are not used to prolonged cold weather. And hard cold for us is this, 45 and under.
This has been going on now for 4 days, tomorrow and the weekend will be the same and the weather update says that next week we are getting again temperatures close to freezing (take notes WastedG, bring your heavy coat).
I really can not vouch how it will work for you, but for me, all my Lambs of my Sacred Flock, with the exception of the afternoon shift at the Obsession and Prestige are not working at all.
And I do not agree with USB assessment that the girls will be willing for all nighters. The girls are at home with their kids cause their kids have no school (yes, we shut down schools when the thermometer hits below 41)
This cold spell is hurting the business really hard....[/QUOTE]

I could use a good 30 minutes or 1 hour real massage. Where would Wasted go? Spa's? Real Spa's? I am sure they exist in MTY.

Or if I find J at the "I", it would be followed by happy ending. But no.

I was wondering. Does anyone know of a place where I do not think about sex? Just a massage? Better yet, order in? Reliable?

Wasted

Hell yes, Iam ANGRY!!!
Iam just back from the Infinito and the moment a walk in I notice my favorite Lamb, the G girl in civilian garmets.
This can't be, she just arriving (8:00 PM)?
Nope, she was on a salida... with a gringo!!!
Yes Iam angry and I will take it on the next 3 Americans that are coming to Mty!!!

PS: WastedG, I told the S girl you were coming. She was the only one there. No D girl visible.
PPS: USB, could this guy be your friend staying at the Sheraton?

With all the commotion, there goes the girl. While you guys fight, someone else snatched your prey. Except, it was supposed to be me, not some stranger we do not know. Read my post #1158.

Which do you prefer to share with? Your close friend, me? or some stranger?

No D? -- Wooohooooo -- I'm free .. I think .. I hope she's gone.

Wasted.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Hell yes, Iam ANGRY!!!
Iam just back from the Infinito and the moment a walk in I notice my favorite Lamb, the G girl in civilian garmets.
This can't be, she just arriving (8:00 PM)?
Nope, she was on a salida... with a gringo!!!
Yes Iam angry and I will take it on the next 3 Americans that are coming to Mty!!!

PS: WastedG, I told the S girl you were coming. She was the only one there. No D girl visible.
PPS: USB, could this guy be your friend staying at the Sheraton?[/QUOTE]

I don't know...he hasn't contacted me since his first PM. I wouldn't doubt it though. We will have to question her. I will bring my rubber hose, bright lights, handcuffs, etc...

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Hell yes, Iam ANGRY!!!
Iam just back from the Infinito and the moment a walk in I notice my favorite Lamb, the G girl in civilian garmets.
This can't be, she just arriving (8:00 PM)?
Nope, she was on a salida... with a gringo!!!
Yes Iam angry and I will take it on the next 3 Americans that are coming to Mty!!!

PS: WastedG, I told the S girl you were coming. She was the only one there. No D girl visible.
PPS: USB, could this guy be your friend staying at the Sheraton?[/QUOTE]

Thanks to UsB for valauable advice and assistance. Full report to follow on El I and Poisson experience .... but quickly to let you all know that the Sheraton is (somewhat) chica friendly. I had the friendly waiter in the sports bar call the front desk while I was eating some light dinner to ask -- he spoke perfect english and gave me his take on the places recommended (in previous UsB posting). The front desk told him that they require chica registration (convincing me that that is OK for my own safety) but I must pay $30 (300P) cash, not chargeable to the room. Methinks that goes straight into the pocket.

However, when she arrived (via a taxi delivery -- wait for report !!) she was escorted to my room by a security guard, who asked something about registration and all I said ... "that is OK" and in she walked -- no payment !

Full report follows about my one night in MTY, Tuesday Jan 16 (had a great time overall).

Thanks all for your good advice and interesting interaction and sharing on this board.

Take care and next time maybe there might be opportunity to hook up and hit the spots.

Ifnot

Well, the Sheraton is chica friendly, the point is that you asked for delivery.
If you arrive with the girl by your own means they act diffrently cause they can only guess wher she might be from.
Let me tell you one thing that I have tried to explain to the guys I met here in Monterrey: we know by sight what gir is or is not in the business.
And they still don't get it, but we locals know.
I think Wasted finally has the knack after that walk we had on Madero Ave with a couple of girls... everyone on the streets were staring at them.
Back to the Sheraton... IfNot, this is the very first time that I hear from a monger that a security guard takes the girl to the room
Next time you are here, let us try to skip that. Let's try for you to get everything on your own.
And sir, never never ask the hotel personel for club references.
(Same goes for taxi drivers.)
They will never tell you the truth, they will alway give you names of the most expensive clubs where they will either think you'll be "safe" or where they get kickbacks.... and they usually will always recomend the Amnesia, the Spugna and or the Poisson.
There is also a main reason for this: they have never laid foot on the clubs... they know siltch.
The clubs we go to are local urban legends, famous for many things, untrue in all. Me as a local, I just grin when I hear what the folks say of the Matehuala, the Infinito or other Villagran st. clubs.
(even girls working at other clubs of supposedly higher class, have a bad notion of them)
But they are also famous cause the have the best girls for the best price.
Am sure Unspongebob told you about them and described quite well how to move in them.
I know it's difficult to try and get to them and do everything with just a single available night for fun.
But at least I hope you did... specially in the days you were here, when the weather was horrible for us in Monterrey and business was as close to being dead.











[QUOTE=Ifnot]Thanks to UsB for valauable advice and assistance. Full report to follow on El I and Poisson experience .... but quickly to let you all know that the Sheraton is (somewhat) chica friendly. I had the friendly waiter in the sports bar call the front desk while I was eating some light dinner to ask -- he spoke perfect english and gave me his take on the places recommended (in previous UsB posting). The front desk told him that they require chica registration (convincing me that that is OK for my own safety) but I must pay $30 (300P) cash, not chargeable to the room. Methinks that goes straight into the pocket.

However, when she arrived (via a taxi delivery -- wait for report !!) she was escorted to my room by a security guard, who asked something about registration and all I said ... "that is OK" and in she walked -- no payment !

Full report follows about my one night in MTY, Tuesday Jan 16 (had a great time overall).

Thanks all for your good advice and interesting interaction and sharing on this board.

Take care and next time maybe there might be opportunity to hook up and hit the spots.

Ifnot[/QUOTE]

So, I take UsB advice (the list of clubs in a previous report) and head out the door of the Sheraton. Taxi/car is parked right in front of the door and the driver jumps out and seems very nice (good english). I get in and request to go to El Inf -- and immediately he tries to talk me out of it, giving me the "it's dangerous" story.... rather go to "Poisson". I say no, let's go as requested, and tell him to come back in one hour to get me.

Taxi ride to El Inf from Sheraton : 50 Pesos.

The club has two dance stages, the front location is packed, the other stage at the back 75% full. Very dark and loud. Blue lights are highlighting anything white (like the stripe on the dancer's spandex outfits, and their teeth !!).

I see a nice blonde lady standing at the back -- in a full fishnet with nice nipples sticking through. Not much english spoken. I indicate a request for a private dance upstairs, she says yes and we begin walking to the stairs in the corner. Halfway there she stops and says "no" -- and of course, without been able to speak english (nor me speak spanish) I could not determine the reason. Probably saw a regular customer and she chose to wait.

No problem, I have a beer, check out the place, catch my breathe, and assess the situation. I get to chat to a chica who speaks "pocito" english, siliconed tits (hard and ugly) and up the stairs we go, not intending to spend a lot of money, as this is a mission to check it out upstairs. Entrance fee to private area : 50 Pesos.

Location is weird -- about 40 (semi) private booths, with chairs, but no doors and no curtains. So, for any voyer out there, this is a fine place !!! The dancing proceeds, and immediately I get offered the menu of other services. Her name is announced by the door keeper and she has to leave, unless you say "more". So we leave and on exit I pay another 50 Pesos (that was the 4 minute fee).

I did see an interesting interaction taking place in one of the booths -- here was a short guy (local) standing up, dry humping this babe who was straddled around his waist, I suppose perfectly positioned on this "junior" -- and he was almost jumping up and down with her in this position. Looked a "human rodeo" and he was visibly out of shape, so was breathing heavily to both catch his breathe and probably blow his load !! Quite an interesting sight to see.

I go downstairs and decide to try and enjoy the place having about 35 min to go before taxi man arrives.

I talk to another "pocito english" chica - black spandex with white stripe down the sides, nice tits (natural) and very sexy. Up we go and get the corner booth which does allow a little more privacy.

Hey, for a 50+ guy, I managed to blow my load in the 4 minutes, cleaned up (with alcohol swab satchet in my pocket) and leave !!! All for 100 pesos (Entrance 50 and 50 on exit).

Not a bad experience for the price ! and I get into the taxi and he starts promoting Poisson, with me having suggested Spunga (because it is near the hotel and I have been there before on my last trip).

He convinces me on Poisson and I agree -- 50 pesos taxi fee.

I get inside and immediately see the difference -- way different in fact. Soon a good looking lady who speaks fluent english arrives to chat -- and of course, gets me to buy her a drink.

Customer Drink (Beer) : 50 Pesos
Lady Drink: 200 Pesos (and unlike other places, this was a can of beer).

I get to go on a full tour of the facility -- different action takes place on the different floors, with the top floor having private rooms en suite !! (a toilet and wash basin ajoins every room) Price to hire : 500 Pesos for 15 min

I get chatting with this lady and suggest a bar fine for her to come to the Sheraton. She agrees. Bar fine: 1000 Pesos Lady fee: 3000 pesos.

I negotiate her down to 2500 pesos, she agrees, and she leaves the alcove to get ready, comes back after 2 minutes in tears ! The boss man says she cannot leave because they were low on dancers that night. She continues to shed tears because she is a student, needs the money, needs to charge up her cell phone the next day etc etc -- all the normal reasons. She goes back to negotiate with the boss and he does not relent, telling her that if she goes with me, she is fired ! I tell her not to fight city hall. I do mention that should anything change, she should call me -- we exchange email address details etc (she is worth contacting next time anyway).

Overall impression of club -- very nice, good service and my bill for all the drinks after 2 hours was 600 pesos (not a bad price for the time, the company I had in a nice relaxing atmosphere). I even had them turn the volume down of the speaker just above the alcove, as we could not chat comfortabley. I would return there maybe.

I get back into taxi and leave -- 50 pesos + 50 (propina).

He suggests to get me someone -- and I agree. He says in 20 min he will deliver. He does. She arrives and is escorted to my room, but I am out of the room, went to check out the sports bar, and by the time I get back to my room, the security guard is banging on the wrong door !! I immediately understand that she is the "delivery" and proceed with her to my room, 4 doors down the hall -- for interaction with security see previous post.
Lady is young no english, and overall a shit experience. The dip stick test fails -- babe has not washed down there for a few days or so. Mechanical and quick. And not worth it. One hour : 900 pesos

She leaves, and the phone rings -- now I have a happy Poisson dancer on the phone, telling me that the main boss is gone, and the sub-boss will let her leave early ! I apologize and refuse .... and should have listened to my instinct when I left the club because she needed the money so badly, I just knew she would make it happen.

So, two pops in one night (not bad), but I should have instinctively waited for Poisson dancer, who for the price had agreed to stay all night !

MTY is a fun place, and will check out the other places mentioned by UsB. The language barrier is a problem, but that is the nature of the beast

Anyone know of any weekly apartment rentals or furnished places? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

I am having a REAL "romance" with a bar girl. I will refer to her as my "angel girl." NOT TO BE CONFUSED PHONETICALLY WITH "ANGRY GIRL!!!"

Angel Girl is a friend that I have known for almost two years. Initially, I bar fined her about two years ago. She is not considered to have a pretty face, and some of the girls in the bar say she is ugly. She has a smokin' HARD body. I do not, and did not, formerly consider her ugly, but always thought of her features as strongly ethnic Mexican, and not in the category of facial features that I would particularly select from all the other available more attractive options.

Initially, when I first bar fined her, I was going through my decedent phase, one during which I was indiscrimately barfining anything with two legs. I remember visiting the bar relatively late in her shift, and looking to find a good screw for the night, not really caring much what she looked like as long as she was flaca morena and had a hard body, which my angel has in spades. My Angel was working so I took her into the privados. We struck a bargain, and we were out the door. That was almost two years ago.

However, at this juncture, I must say that with the force of her personality, and the demonstrative exhibition of her affections for me, that face has become one of considerable comfort to me, one that conjures up a lot of sentimentality and affection in me, and one that I now see as pretty, one that nurtures my heart.

Our initially meeting almost two years ago was fun, and I enjoyed my time with her, a good bar fine, good attitude, seemingly nice girl, etc...But, not a bar fine that particularly placed her among the first string. Plus, during the course of the following two years, I was bar fining other girls, and seeing one girl in particular, primarily "ANGRY GIRL" @$#%$^$&%(*&$!!!!!!, my former regular bar fine that has since cut me completely off, and who is, by the way, NO COMPARISON to my angel.

So, for a couple of years I simply talked with my angel in the bar sometimes, occassionally talking with her in the privados, nothing more, at least not on my part. So, for two years I would see her primarily on the floor of the club, offer her one of my homemade cookies each time I would visit, and just talk with her for brief moments.

Even when I was making braclets for the girls in the club, she was literally one of the very last ones to receive one. I remember making a braclet for one of her close friends, a girl I had bar fined a few times, and giving it to her friend in front of my "angel girl." When I did this, my angel girl made some kind of sad comment like "Oh, where is mine." She said it with a look in her eyes that made me notice her reaction, a sad look, a longing look. So, on my next trip, I decided I would make her one specifically, and that I would use the best materials available. Of all the braclets floating around out there, she now has the braclet that uses the best quality of materials, and specifically a genuine sterling silver clasp. Her's is unique. When I made it, I had no other motivations other than to be nice to her. I did not make it because I was particularly interested in pursuing her, but more just as a kind thought for a nice girl that kindly expressed a seemingly sincere desire for one, a desire that I now realize was more sincerely desired out of sentimentality than I ever formerly understood.

Plus, out of respect for my friend, Carlos, I avoided her because he was her client, and I did not want to create any ill feelings between my friend and I. So, I just avoided following through on her regular attempts to pursue me. She eventually asked me to take her into the privados. But, I had avoided doing so out of respect for Carlos, and I told her so. She kept pushing me to get permission from him to see her. I owe Carlos a debt of gratitude for his kindnes. He was being kind to us both, allowing us to see one another initially in the privados, and eventually to do another salida together.

Now...you have to understand...when I take girls into the privados it is usually just an opportunity to talk to them, to get to know them intellectually, and to usually do some very, very, mild petting, just to assess their potential. Primarily, and especially if I already know the girl, there is generally NOTHING more going on. It is simply a talking session. And, especially with girls like angel girl, a girl that I have already bar fined once two years ago, or girls that I have known for years. It's just an opportunity to say hello, and to talk about how things are going for them, nothing more, not even light petting when the girl is already familiar to me.

So, when angel girl asked me to buy her a privado, I expected to simply be talking with her, not much else. But, when we went into the privados together, she did anything but talk. She was not interested in talking per se. She told me later that she was interested in demonstrating the extent of her interest in me, an interest that she has demonstrated without a doubt, one that is not primarily motivated by money.

On subsequent trips to Monterrey, I continued to avoid her because I did not want to create any problems. But, she was relentless. She told me that she has feelings for me, and that she wants to see me for real, not as a client. She told me that after our first bar fine two years ago, she had always wanted to see me again. She literally told me that she had fallen in love with me. Of course, I took all of it with the considerable perverbial grain of salt. But, eventually, I started to wonder if it was true. I remember when we were finally in the room on our recent salida, she told me that she has been trying for months to interest me, but that I would never pay attention to her. It was then that she told me that she loved me, and that she had been trying to show me every way she could think of but that I had ignored her attempts.

I don't usually like to describe the specific details of my encounters, and this is no different, especially where my angel is involved. but suffice it say that she has proven in every way possible her sincerity. We hang-out together, go to movies, dinner, shopping, etc...She wants to be with me. She stays for 12 to 15 hour long sessions. She charges me NO MONEY.

Here...you be the judge....

Ok, here's the deal, I have to be honest, I always try to pay her something because on a few occassions, she has taken time away from work to be with me, time she can not afford to waste on freebie marathon sessions with her "apparent" lover. I have given her as little as 500 pesos for 12 hours, that's the equivalent of $3.77US per hour. I certainly can not get someone to cut my lawn for that kind of money, much less clean my pipes, not to mention the level of sincere GFE this girl demonstrates when she's with me.

One time, on her day off, she stayed for 15 hours for no money. Of course, I picked up the tab for the day's activities, the movie, popcorn, lunch, and some trinkety stuff shopping, stuff that didn't cost over 200 pesos. She lives two hours outside of Monterrey. She travels two hours each way into the city to see me. She regularly tells me that my money is not important to her where "we" are concerned, and I believe her. She needs the money, and I always give her some, but it is nothing in comparison to what you would have to cough up for 15 hours of bliss, verdad?

Many bar girls are simply greedy or on drugs, needing to work the bars to not only feed their habit, but also because they want more materially than the average Mexicana needs, perhaps also willing to do things for the money that the average Mexican girl would be appalled by. The bar girls are willing, and able, being blessed with good looks, to ply their trade in the bar scene. But, most Mexican girls would never stoop so low even if they have the looks to do so.

But, there are also just as many Mexican girls that are in personal circumstances that demand money or they wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I know this especially about my angel, now knowing some of her personal history, and the specifics of her need. So, if I pay her, it is not to pay her to be there, but to pay her so she does not have to be somewhere else. She had proven to me that she will be with me either way, that she will sacrafice dinero that she would otherwise earn at her job for the opportunity to be with me during her short window of opportunity, the short times that I am in town.

Here is the content of one of our days together...

First she arrived around 9:40am, about 40 minutes late, but she lives 2 hours from Monterrey, so she gets an A- for effort. She came all the way into Monterrey to be with me on her day off, and she has to take the frinckin' bus, take care of her son first in the morning, etc...

Ok, here goes, and you are not going to believe this shit.

Everytime I talk to her on the phone and ask her what she is going to do today, she says she has to go to church. She is apparently a pretty devout Catholic girl...but, a complicated personality none the less, a stripper, austensibly a hooker per se, but, maybe only doing an occassional salida, perhaps, at least according to her, putting "most" guys off most of the time, but doing a salida occassionally none the less to compile some money, hahahaha...right! Kind of a complicated girl...and I would like to believe that she only does occassional salidas, but I am also a realist.

Anyway, she has a philosophical attitude about what she does that does not seem to be effecting her psychologically, at least not yet. So, perhaps her religious insites are useful in forestalling the pschological and emotional damage of such a profession, damage that seems to otherwise result for most females the longer they stay with it. I am always telling her not to let her business change her in any way. So far, she is pretty consistently the same whenever I see her.

Anyway, she wanted me to attend church with her in the morning. So, immediately, as prerequisite to our date, the "John," and the remorseful "Hooker/Novia/Stipper," elect to first go to church. We went to one of the Catholic churches in El Centro, close to Hotel Madero Express (formerly Hotel Patrica).

The place was completely unheated. We sat in the pews and literally froze our asses off for about twenty minutes, at which point she decides that we have atoned sufficiently for the day's trangressions. We proceed to the front of the church where she says a prayer to St. Judas and crosses herself and we deposit a few sheckles in the coffers.

Don't misunderstand my descriptions as rhetorical or mocking in any way. Spiritually, I am more serious than most would realize. Most of my writing reveals that about my inner feelings and personality, and especially with respect to my compassion for the girls. The important point is, I thought it significant that she wanted me to attend church with her.

Then, after only twenty minutes, we are both out of there. A relatively painless endeavor for me, but seemingly a significant ritual to her, my being with her in church. Seemingly because she is apparently investing emotionally in our short romance, and believes I am her good friend, and novio, which I truly am, probably at the expensive of an eventual broken heart for both of us.

Anyway, we eventually went to Plaza Real where she enjoyed looking through the shops, not buying anything, but obviously a girl that LOVES TO SHOP!!! OH CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eventually, and after not spending a dime on her, we went to the movie theatre and saw the movie TOTSI. After the movie, we exited the theatre, and I could sense the pull of las tiendas on her psyche. She walked into one in particular, the Eqyptian Shop next to the theatre in Plaza Real, where she selected a small water fountain with frogs on it, and a few pretty hair clips. I purchased them all for about 180 pesos. I was happy to, knowing that I was getting off cheaply so far, and also believing that she was trying to restrain her natural urges to buy, buy, buy!!!! hahahaha!!!

So, after the movie we went over to the Italian Restaurant there in Plaza Real, and had a really good meal, she ordering spaghetti and I ordering lasagna, which we both split between us to get a full sampling of the delicious food. She ordered a small glass of wine and I ordered a Coke Lite.

She apparently likes wine and tequilla, but otherwise does not drink, with the exception of an occassional beer. I do see the potential opportunity to loosen her up even further with a bottle of wine. She seems like she has to work on controlling her "enjoyment" of red wine, but she also seems quite disciplined at it, unless of course some Gringo comes along and believes that he can possibly get her to loosened up a little with alcohol, not that such an endeavor would be neccessary. I mean, why do I need to loosen her up when she seems to actually crave doing anything I want with her?

She does not smoke. She does not, according to her, partake in drugs. I believe her. She doesn't demonstrate any of the typically obvious signs of drug use. So, she is basically a "good girl," except when she is screwing guys for money, primarily in the privados, but occassionally on salida otherwise. She explains that it is all "covered," meaning that apparently the act of "covering" negates the act itself, and that there is no love involved, so it does not really count. I told her that if that kind of philosophy is good enough for a former President of the United States, it is good enough for me, verdad :-) I told her that from now on her name was BILL CLINTON. She thought I was hilarous!!!

After lunch and the movie, we went to SHOP. She needed a watch, which I purchased for 100 pesos, not really too expensive as the cost of watches go. She seems to have a relatively frugal personality, which I appreciate. But, I also sensed that she doesn't want to send me the wrong message. She wants to be the novia, and not the money hungry preditory bar girl.

After buying the watch, we returned to the hotel, where we basically made love, kissed, hugged, talked, and enjoyed being with each other from about 4pm to 7:30pm, when she had to leave to return home to her baby.

Anyway, the total cost of my date with her on Wednesday probably didn't exceed 600 pesos, and afterall, I did eat lunch, and watch a movie too. So, all in all, I think her motivations seem pretty sincere.

She was not going to see me the following day, but she asked me when I was supposed to go back home. I told her Friday morning, and told her I would not be working in the afternoon. She asked if we could go to another movie Thursday. She would normally be coming in to Monterrey, which is a normal work day for her, but told me she would take off at work, and spend it with me instead, at least from about 5pm to who knows when on Thursday night.

On Thursday, she returned to Monterrey to see me after calling in sick at work. We went to see the movie Borat, came back to the hotel, had just a few shots of tequilla in my room, nothing excessive, but definitely a romance enhancer, if that is even neccessary with her. A few shots of tequilla is like warming up the engine for her. She is very disciplined where alcohol consumption is concerned, but she had told me that she does like red wine and tequilla. I tried the alcohol angle in the room on Thursday by purchasing a good red wine, putting it on ice, buying some nice wine glasses, etc...I also purchased a bottle of Jose Cuervo and some shot glasses, just to give her a choice between the two. She choose the tequilla, and she had a little bit, not too much, just a couple of shots over the course of an hour or so. But, it seemed to relax her just enough that I could sense an even greater affection in her demeanor. She is so loving.

There was considerable drama Thursday night before she left. She actually ended up staying until 11:30pm Thursday night. She could not stay all night but wanted to very badly to stay, to the point of tears. She told me that she had to leave because her baby was being watched by someone that she did not really trust, and that she was worried about it. She came to tears because I expressed some doubt that her story was true. I don't know why I did that to her. So far, she has been seemingly truthful with me about other things that I've independently verified. I don't know...maybe it's just the totality of the circumstances, my dating a bar girl...shit!

Anyway, she cried a lot because she had to leave that night, because she knew I would be leaving in the morning, and because she knows that we can not really be "legit," knowing that I live in the US. At one point she asked me if I would move to Monterry to be with her. I told her I could not do that because of my business, etc...She does not know my personal circumstances, nor do I want any bar girl to know any real particulars.

It was during our discussion about my not living in Monterrey that she became emotional. I told her that she needed to find a younger nice guy in Monterrey for a loving lifestyle. She just cried and said said wants an "Old Gringo" instead. I told her to look for a good guy in church or somewhere. She told me that there are none she would have. She just kept telling me that she loved me, and that she wants to be with me. Frankly, I was blown away by here sincerity and the depth of her emotion...Realizing that all of this is very fast, and probably also emotions that are born out of the moment, I think I love her too.

I have one person to thank in all of this or I would never have really ever been able to know the depth of her sincerity. I am having a sincere romantic, affectionate, relationship with a super girl. I wish she did not work in a bar. I wish she was not in personal circumstances that make her feel that she must sell her body. She really is an exceptional individual, a simple, relatively uneducated, uncomplicated Mexican girl with strong affections for me. There is much more to her than I can express here.

Thank you Carlos. Thank you for being my friend, for helping me with everything I have evey done in Monterrey. You have sacraficed in allowing me to see her, and I sincerely appreciate such kindness on your part. You should understand that there is more to this than just the typical physical relationship, or the game we play when we chase the girls in the bars, or when we bar fine the girls back to our hotels for fun. There is more meaning in this for me than our typical encounters.

I am not really naive about her situation, being a bar girl, doing other guys in the privados, going on salidas...I don't expect any of that to change. But, she has wormed her way into my heart. I am not contemplating doing anything stupid, making any committments, torturing myself over what I believe is simply a temporary emotional infatuation, certainly on her part, probably with some hopes and dreams mixed in there somewhere, especially for her...successful Gringo romances flaca morena lower class bar girl, with sincere emotional affection and love, finally allowing her to have some fun, going to movies, dinner, romance, GREAT SEX!!! etc...

It has been the ultimate GFE because it is emotionally nurturing for me too, especially for me, but assuming she is sincere, apparently for us both. I have experienced no better in my travels all over the world, none better than in Monterrey, and none better than with my angel. We are not playing the bar girl game. We are sincerely dating. I can't wait to come back to Monterrey again in February. Thanks again mi amigo...

USB,

Your report bought some tears to my eyes. I've had something simuliar in GDL, but your report takes it all.

Good Luck & All the Best to you.

Fryer45

Hey Fryer,

Thanks for the nice comments...

I received a PM from a well meaning friend on the board about my circumstances with Angel girl. The content of the PM are as follows, but I have removed the poster's screen name to protect the innocent, and I altered some of the phrasing and wording as not to reveal it's origin. Then I have commented back to him below his PM.

I am open to all commentary about my circumstances. Don't worry about offending my sensibilities. Frankly, I think this kind of dialogue is useful in a public forum. Just don't flame me too harshly :-) My PM amigo was very tactful in his comments to me, and I appreciate that.

Here is the PM that I received:

"Hey, after reading your post I was debating for about an hour about whether I should write this to you. I hope that you take this message in the spirit that it was written.

Through everything I've read by you, you seem to be a sensitive, great person with nothing but the best intentions and I wish more of us American mongers would have the same sensitivity as you.

My concern, though, is for the young lady. For you this is an ultimate GFE. The benefits are high for you and there are very few disadvantages. You have your life in the states and you can come and go as you please. For the chica, this is very real. No Mexican woman, pro or not, enters into a relationship with a man without assuming that it would end in marriage or some sort of higher comittment. Obviously, as you know, she is in such a tough profession and with her religious beliefs she has to be in a minute by minute debate with herself. The fact that she hasn't become bitter is a testiment to her strong personality. But make no mistake, all of these chicas that stay in this line of work will eventually become scarred beyond repair. Guilt is high for women in Mexico and the worst thing that you can be is a woman without "honor."

The scarring doesn't necesarily come from the profession that she practices, it comes from the burned and mutilated relationships that her profession ruins. As a prostitute, she already is an outcast and after every single one of her relationships fail to pan out, she will believe that she is the lowest piece of crap on the planet, that she is unworthy of any love whatsoever. Then, out or necesity, she shuts off her emotions completely. Money becomes the all-important. 99% of the chicas are like that.

So, while honorable on your part, the longer you guys engage in this "relationship," the more she will be hurt after she realizes that things can NEVER happen between you two. Another rejection for a girl who has felt rejected all her life and another proof that she is worthless (at least in her own mind).

Plus, to spend 60 bucks on a date with an uneducated, lower-class girl is a very heady thing. For us it's nothing, but it would be like if you took out a poor girl from rural apalachia and spent 2,000 dollars on her per date. Pretty mind-altering.

So, I know that this is none of my business and I hate to get in bad with you, but these were just a few things I wanted to say. I know many working girls and I consider quite a few friends. I also know their unique psychology and how rejection just tears them apart. They have been rejected by their Fathers, Boyfriends, Neighbors, Children and society at large. Many girls have killed themselves over failed relationships.

Tread softly, my friend. I wish the best for both of you. Make sure she knows the truth about your intentions, even if it costs you a true GFE."

Here is my response to the PM...

These are things that have already weighed quite heavily on my mind. I realize all that you have pointed out, and there is so much psychology, sociology, and economics that influences her infatuation...I deeply understand your points, and they are all quite valid.

I really did not start out with any intention of bringing things to this level. The relationship has simply come to this point, and now I am as captivated by her as she apparently is by me. She is so loving, and so affectionate...even with the little things. These are the things I love about her...not just the sex with a hard bodied 24 year old girl. I have told her this. We are both happy just to be around each other, no matter what we are doing, even routine, otherwise boring things.

I have told her very specifically that there is no way that we will be together "officially." I've explained our age differences. I have explained that I like living the US, and that I will not be able to move to MTY because of many reasons, business, family, etc...I have told her how impractical that is, and I have explained that she is such a beautiful girl that she should have no problem finding love from a man that is closer to her age. She just tells me that she can't find anyone that she wants, even though, according to her, many, many, guys have apparently offered. She says they are all mal hombres, and she would not consider them. I even told her to look in her iglasia for a good guy, but she just starts to cry and tells me she loves me.

I have promised her that I will come back to see her once a month, and that I do honestly love her, and I do. I have told her I will come back to her each time I visit MTY and that I will see no other girls, and I have kept that promise to her. I intend to keep that promise to her for as long as this lasts. Frankly, I do not expect it to last, and I have told her so.

I have told her that I will stay with her as long as she wants me. But, I have also told her that it is early in our "relationship" and that I expect her perspective to change. I have told her to take everything very slowly. I have told her that in my regular one month long absences from MTY, I expect that she will long for what we have when I am there, a loving relationship, and that she will begin to look for it, and that I believe she will find it as a result of a void that will exist when I am gone. I have told her that I expect to have a broken heart, probably sooner than later.

Of course, she is tells me it is not possible. But, I know how this kind of thing goes. Frankly, this is not the first time for me with this kind of infatuiaton. It has occurred in at least one other circumstance in MTY, and possibly as many as two instances in Monterrey, and all have ended the same way. The girls like what they experience, miss it, and they go looking for it in my absence.

I don't mean to sound like I am conceited about my own abilities. Frankly, I think I simply know how to wine and dine a women from a poor background, and to sweep them off their feet, intellectually, affectionately, sexually, etc...If I were to pull the same routine in the States I would probably get almost nowhere. Fact is, the age difference alone will kill the deal to begin with.

However, philosophically, I have commented in the past about how the young girls in the States could be romanced by us "old geezers" if our sociology in the States were different. One thing that I rejoice in, something that I profoundly realize after having been with numerous young girls worldwide, is that they are still attracted to me, even at middle age, whereas that is not usually the case with respect to men being attracted to older women. It is very comforting to know that in the privacy of one's hotel room, the inhabitions are non-existent, and the true nature of their attraction becomes evident in their swoons, affection, kissing, hugging, etc...

As the PM poster suggested, most of the girls that we come in contact with as mongers are "cold" as ice because they have chosen to be. I do NOT seek those types out, but long for the quality of relationship I currently have with my angel girl. They are few and far between because most of them, as the PM poster also pointed out, have protected their vulnerability and switched off their emotions. Angel girl is truly bliss on earth because she is totally open to me.

I have practiced this worldwide, and it aint that hard to sweep them off their feet if they want to be swept off their feet, verdad? This girl liked me initially, and now she loves me because we have spent some really nice quality time together, the kind of quality time she dreams about for herself. I have merely treated her just like I would treat almost any of them if given the opportunity.

Absence does not make the heart grow fonder, it makes the heart look elsewhere. I expect my month long absences to sabatage what I have with my angel. So, from my perspective, I am totally realistic. But, I am also mindful of my actions, and the effects my actions might have on my angel. So, I am committed to keeping my word to her, whatever sparse commitments I may have made.

I will see no other girls on salida as long as she maintains her attraction to me, as long as I sense the depth of her emotion. If I begin to feel that her emotional bondage has started to loosen, I will slowly, and gently let her go. I know that is really the only possible outcome to this in the end.

But, on the other hand, if she maintains her attachment long term, I will make sure that I nurture her spirit, and that I give her my sincere and committed love when I am in Monterrey. She deserves that, and I would never choose to hurt her. If her's is a long term infatuation, I do not look at that as being bad. I intend to nurture things along so we both enjoy the ride. But, I also am realistic, and I know that with most Mexican bar girls, something always messes it up.

My friend USB, am glad someone told you before I did, but the guy that PM'ed you is expressing the same things I thought (although I do not agree with the way he says it) after reading the post.
Before anyone thinks wrong, the G Spot (as WastedG and me call Angel girl) has been one of my Lambs of my Scared Flock for some time now and I might joke that anyone that touches one hair of my Lambs is a dead man but in reality anyone can go and pick them up, after all, that is what they are there for.
That's the point I made clear to USB: you really want her? go take her out (and that way I can go get other girls at the Inf place... that's why they are there for, or not?)
Thing is that the G Spot will be a pro for a while. She is a girl that has a nice personality, hot in the privados and in bed and truthfully not pretty for us locals (I have totally made this clear to USB, plus even her cohostesses at the "I" place make fun of her looks and are open critics of us that employ her services... not to mention my local friends in MTY, am the butt of their jokes).
Said that, I totally agree with your PM buddy, USB.
He's completly right.

Addendum and afterthoughts:
1. am not kidding about the Inf girls being critic of us. This week 2 girls, P and X openly told me "how can you f**k a cow". Of course refering to G Spot.
2. Am 48 years old. On friday one of the girls at the Infi, Z (friend to J and X), came up to me and told me "don't you like me or what the f**k".
3. Girls at the Infi are there for the money and it is tough to make a realationship with them but some are so straighforward that you'll be surprised.
4. Girls at the clubs tend to "like" older men and I repeat "like" (quote unquote), cause we treat them diffrently form the younger generations of guys that only think for themselves and really see the girls as trash.
5. They really see us as weird, nice guys, willing to spend money on them, worse of all and almost all the girls have told me this, "if you are so nice, how come you are not at home with your wife"... this really make me think.
6. I never expect anything from them and I make them clear that they should not expect anything from me. Anyway, many get angry with me when they realize that I have many friends at the clubs, which they shouldn't but they do cause of course, am paying.
7. They have a monetary heart, but a heart after all. They are human beings. And bound to fall and make mistakes as we do. I've had 2 or 3 Lambs that think that Iam falling in love with them. I make pretty clear that my purpose in life is to have fun with them not fall in love with them.
8. Iam am honest to them. My married life comes first and am willing to let hell fall on them than risk my normal life.
9. It is tough, but Iam not going to put my hands in fire for them.
10. Everything adds to, if you know your ways in the clubs, you can have so much fun, but that it, nothing more... period.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hey Fryer,

Thanks for the nice comments...

I received a PM from a well meaning friend on the board about my circumstances with Angel girl. The content of the PM are as follows, but I have removed the poster's screen name to protect the innocent, and I altered some of the phrasing and wording as not to reveal it's origin. Then I have commented back to him below his PM.

I am open to all commentary about my circumstances. Don't worry about offending my sensibilities. Frankly, I think this kind of dialogue is useful in a public forum. Just don't flame me too harshly :-) My PM amigo was very tactful in his comments to me, and I appreciate that.

Here is the PM that I received:

"Hey, after reading your post I was debating for about an hour about whether I should write this to you. I hope that you take this message in the spirit that it was written.

Through everything I've read by you, you seem to be a sensitive, great person with nothing but the best intentions and I wish more of us American mongers would have the same sensitivity as you.

My concern, though, is for the young lady. For you this is an ultimate GFE. The benefits are high for you and there are very few disadvantages. You have your life in the states and you can come and go as you please. For the chica, this is very real. No Mexican woman, pro or not, enters into a relationship with a man without assuming that it would end in marriage or some sort of higher comittment. Obviously, as you know, she is in such a tough profession and with her religious beliefs she has to be in a minute by minute debate with herself. The fact that she hasn't become bitter is a testiment to her strong personality. But make no mistake, all of these chicas that stay in this line of work will eventually become scarred beyond repair. Guilt is high for women in Mexico and the worst thing that you can be is a woman without "honor."

The scarring doesn't necesarily come from the profession that she practices, it comes from the burned and mutilated relationships that her profession ruins. As a prostitute, she already is an outcast and after every single one of her relationships fail to pan out, she will believe that she is the lowest piece of crap on the planet, that she is unworthy of any love whatsoever. Then, out or necesity, she shuts off her emotions completely. Money becomes the all-important. 99% of the chicas are like that.

So, while honorable on your part, the longer you guys engage in this "relationship," the more she will be hurt after she realizes that things can NEVER happen between you two. Another rejection for a girl who has felt rejected all her life and another proof that she is worthless (at least in her own mind).

Plus, to spend 60 bucks on a date with an uneducated, lower-class girl is a very heady thing. For us it's nothing, but it would be like if you took out a poor girl from rural apalachia and spent 2,000 dollars on her per date. Pretty mind-altering.

So, I know that this is none of my business and I hate to get in bad with you, but these were just a few things I wanted to say. I know many working girls and I consider quite a few friends. I also know their unique psychology and how rejection just tears them apart. They have been rejected by their Fathers, Boyfriends, Neighbors, Children and society at large. Many girls have killed themselves over failed relationships.

Tread softly, my friend. I wish the best for both of you. Make sure she knows the truth about your intentions, even if it costs you a true GFE."

Here is my response to the PM...

These are things that have already weighed quite heavily on my mind. I realize all that you have pointed out, and there is so much psychology, sociology, and economics that influences her infatuation...I deeply understand your points, and they are all quite valid.

I really did not start out with any intention of bringing things to this level. The relationship has simply come to this point, and now I am as captivated by her as she apparently is by me. She is so loving, and so affectionate...even with the little things. These are the things I love about her...not just the sex with a hard bodied 24 year old girl. I have told her this. We are both happy just to be around each other, no matter what we are doing, even routine, otherwise boring things.

I have told her very specifically that there is no way that we will be together "officially." I've explained our age differences. I have explained that I like living the US, and that I will not be able to move to MTY because of many reasons, business, family, etc...I have told her how impractical that is, and I have explained that she is such a beautiful girl that she should have no problem finding love from a man that is closer to her age. She just tells me that she can't find anyone that she wants, even though, according to her, many, many, guys have apparently offered. She says they are all mal hombres, and she would not consider them. I even told her to look in her iglasia for a good guy, but she just starts to cry and tells me she loves me.

I have promised her that I will come back to see her once a month, and that I do honestly love her, and I do. I have told her I will come back to her each time I visit MTY and that I will see no other girls, and I have kept that promise to her. I intend to keep that promise to her for as long as this lasts. Frankly, I do not expect it to last, and I have told her so.

I have told her that I will stay with her as long as she wants me. But, I have also told her that it is early in our "relationship" and that I expect her perspective to change. I have told her to take everything very slowly. I have told her that in my regular one month long absences from MTY, I expect that she will long for what we have when I am there, a loving relationship, and that she will begin to look for it, and that I believe she will find it as a result of a void that will exist when I am gone. I have told her that I expect to have a broken heart, probably sooner than later.

Of course, she is tells me it is not possible. But, I know how this kind of thing goes. Frankly, this is not the first time for me with this kind of infatuiaton. It has occurred in at least one other circumstance in MTY, and possibly as many as two instances in Monterrey, and all have ended the same way. The girls like what they experience, miss it, and they go looking for it in my absence.

I don't mean to sound like I am conceited about my own abilities. Frankly, I think I simply know how to wine and dine a women from a poor background, and to sweep them off their feet, intellectually, affectionately, sexually, etc...If I were to pull the same routine in the States I would probably get almost nowhere. Fact is, the age difference alone will kill the deal to begin with.

However, philosophically, I have commented in the past about how the young girls in the States could be romanced by us "old geezers" if our sociology in the States were different. One thing that I rejoice in, something that I profoundly realize after having been with numerous young girls worldwide, is that they are still attracted to me, even at middle age, whereas that is not usually the case with respect to men being attracted to older women. It is very comforting to know that in the privacy of one's hotel room, the inhabitions are non-existent, and the true nature of their attraction becomes evident in their swoons, affection, kissing, hugging, etc...

As the PM poster suggested, most of the girls that we come in contact with as mongers are "cold" as ice because they have chosen to be. I do NOT seek those types out, but long for the quality of relationship I currently have with my angel girl. They are few and far between because most of them, as the PM poster also pointed out, have protected their vulnerability and switched off their emotions. Angel girl is truly bliss on earth because she is totally open to me.

I have practiced this worldwide, and it aint that hard to sweep them off their feet if they want to be swept off their feet, verdad? This girl liked me initially, and now she loves me because we have spent some really nice quality time together, the kind of quality time she dreams about for herself. I have merely treated her just like I would treat almost any of them if given the opportunity.

Absence does not make the heart grow fonder, it makes the heart look elsewhere. I expect my month long absences to sabatage what I have with my angel. So, from my perspective, I am totally realistic. But, I am also mindful of my actions, and the effects my actions might have on my angel. So, I am committed to keeping my word to her, whatever sparse commitments I may have made.

I will see no other girls on salida as long as she maintains her attraction to me, as long as I sense the depth of her emotion. If I begin to feel that her emotional bondage has started to loosen, I will slowly, and gently let her go. I know that is really the only possible outcome to this in the end.

But, on the other hand, if she maintains her attachment long term, I will make sure that I nurture her spirit, and that I give her my sincere and committed love when I am in Monterrey. She deserves that, and I would never choose to hurt her. If her's is a long term infatuation, I do not look at that as being bad. I intend to nurture things along so we both enjoy the ride. But, I also am realistic, and I know that with most Mexican bar girls, something always messes it up.[/QUOTE]

We are in total agreement my friend. I agree with you both 100%. Just understand that while she may be expressing a lot of sincerity when with me, I don't for one minute believe she is anything other than what I know she is as she works the club. She has been totally honest with me about that, and she has made no commitments otherwise.

But, none of that really matters because she offers me the exact combination of GFE that I enjoy. It's just like "C," or Cindy #1, or any of the rest of them that were once on top but could not maintain their positions.

They will enjoy some measure of exclusivity with me for as long as they continue to provide me a GFE experience better than any other girl, giving me what I enjoy. If they deliver what I enjoy better than any of the others, and especially if they deliver the "best" available for penny's on the dollar, and for hours on end, todo la noche because they want to be there, they will be secure in the pecking order. I am especially loyal to any that deliver the GFE with sincerity, which she does.

But, just like "C," aka angry girl, or Cindy #1, the minute I begin to notice a departure from what I enjoy, or once I am able to determine that a measure of insincerity exists, they will begin to have less and less of a favored position on my dance card.

As long as angel girl, the "G" spot, can maintain that positioning, I am exclusively going to seek her out, not out of loyalty but because of how she makes me feel. But, if and when I notice the changes starting to begin, which I expect will surely happen, that is when I will be on the prowel again.

I am not concerned for my feelings because my feelings are not really in jeapardy here because there are no long term consequences for me. I am, at this juncture, knowing that she is emotionally invested right now, concerned that I do not hurt her. I would never consciously choose to openly harm someone if I believe they are of a sincere state of mind, which I believe her to be.

I would not feel right if my actions toward her might cause her emotional distress because she goes out of her way to address my emotional needs. So, I am just handling it all on a month to month basis. We'll see how it ends up, probably sooner than later.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]My friend USB, am glad someone told you before I did, but the guy that PM'ed you is expressing the same things I thought (although I do not agree with the way he says it).
Before anyone thinks wrong, the G Spot (as Wasted and me call Angel girl) has been one of my Lambs of my Scared Flock for some time now and I might joke that anyone that touches one hair of my Lambs is a dead man but in reality anyone can go and pick them up, after all, that is what they are there for.
That's the point I made clear to USB: you really want her? go take her out (and that way I can go get other girls at the I place... that's why they are there for).
Thing is that the G Spot will be a pro for a while. She is a girl that has a nice personality, hot in bed and truthfully not pretty for us locals (I have totally made this clear to USB, plus even her cohostesses at the "I" place make fun of her looks and are open critics of us that employ her services... not to mention my local friends in MTY).
Said that, I totally agree with your PM buddy, USB.
He's completly right.[/QUOTE]

I sincerely appreciate your comments. It helps me keep everything in the proper perspective. But, I have some observations, at least from the perspective of a visiting Gringo. Perhaps these Gringo observations will be understandable to you, but they will be comments that might be more likely lost on, or misinterpreted by, the average Mexican that does not have your experience with our sociology in the US.

We have discussed the class structure and the racism that exists within the Mexican culture. It is similar to our culture in the US, where the african americans of our culture are similiarly regarded when compared to blonde haired, blue eyed, Pamela Anderson types.

With respect to comment #1 from your previous post, "P, "J," and "X" are commenting from a totally racist perspective, one that is understood strictly by Mexican standards. I don't mean that in a critical sense, but merely offer it as an explanation. I do NOT make selections based on Mexican standards of beauty, and I have no appreciation for the class positioning that effects the overall attitudes of most Mexicanas.

Just as Thai men do not regard darked skinned girls of Thailand to be beautiful, but instead regard them as ugly hillbillies, many Westerners find the dark skinned Thai girls far preferable to the light skinned girls. The Thai men routinely laugh at Westerners that select the darked skinned girl, girls that are HOT, HOT, HOT to us Westerners. Remember when we showed the pictures of the dark skinned Philipinas to the girls in the "O" and "P" places. I assure you, those Philipinas are HOT, HOT, HOT in every sense of the word as it relates to US male preferences.

The fact is, most Mexican bar girls are so introspective that they miss the mark entirely when I take them on salida. They simply do not understand what makes me "tick." Frankly, I suspect most of them haven't a clue how to please me. Most of them, were I to select them for salida, will never be bar fined more than once. I do not want to spend the hard earned cash on girls that do not understand what I like, nor do I want to spend the money on girls that do not have the conscientiousness to find out what I like.

That is the problem, verdad...most of the girls are too thick headed to understand what they need to be doing to make me happy. They are applying a stereotypical generic Mexican formula of performance when on salida, one that does not address my criteria. They are too narrowly focused on their routine to deviate from what they think I want.

There are so many Mexican girls that, upon finishing their salidas, have insisted on giving me their phone numbers so I can call them back for more salidas. Many of them aren't worth a shit. I have literally thrown their phone numbers in the trash after they have left my room. But, they all think in their minds that they are God's gift to male sexuality. I will never call them for a second chance at bat.

I don't mean this to sound critical of "P," "X," or "J" as viable HOT selections made by my amigos in MTY, because all of those girl certainly are HOT girls. But, I am merely saying that most girls I have bar fined, especially in MTY, fall far short of "G's" performance with me.

I speculate that my preferences are more emotionally based than most mongers, and that having a deeper emotional relationship with the girl is a huge catalyst to great sex. The closeness provides the intensity of emotion that I enjoy when sex does occur.

I doubt most of the girls we know in the clubs would be sharp enough to understand my need for this, much less sensitive enough to actually realize that their own sexual experiences would be enhanced by the same kind of performance that I am getting from "G." Afterall, females are the gender that appreciates the romance, the communication, and the closeness.

I once made a comment to "G" that I didn't think that girls really gave a shit about sex. Certainly, my personal opionion is that the quality of sex is significantly enhanced when love is present, not because we need it as males, but because females exhibit so much more emotional commitment to the act when love is present. "G" told me that sex in the privados is of no consequence to her, that it is totally and completely meaningless to her, just a means to make money, nothing more. Then, several days later, she commented during sex with me that the intensity of sex for her was so satisfying because love existed between us, at least from her perspective. That is such an insightful glimpse into the female mind, one that is profoundly revealing.

Frankly, I experience this kind of GFE performance from Mexican girls that allow me to get close enough so that I get to know them. The longer I know them, the closer I am able to get to them, and the closer I seem to be able to solicit the GFE performance I desire from them. But, with most Mexican girls, it takes a while to break down their defenses. With most, I tire of the chase and give up on working any romantic magic on them. It is truly their loss because they are the gender that is most comforted by such levels of intimacy.

But, once the girls relax their defenses, and surrender their emotions, they usually decide that they really enjoy the experience so much more. But, as my PM friend indicated, most of the girls have a wall around them, a wall to protect themselves. Sometimes these walls are so thick they are inpenetrable.

Between "G" and me, there is simply no wall. She desires the same things I desire from an encounter. I have known her a long time. We are now very close to one another, and it pays off in GFE. I can uncategorically say that there are few girls, worldwide, that have compared in GFE quality to the "G" spot.

But, there again, she chose me. I doubt she would deliver that quality on salida to just anybody. Fact is, on our first encounter, she did not deliver that level of intensity. It was only after she got to know me that she became interested, deciding that she wanted the closeness. Then, once we became more intimate as friends, everything came together sexually.

I speak from a perspective that is wholey based on my own specific Gringo criteria. I know my criteria are not typical of the average monger, and that my preference for GFE sopmetimes seems to far surpass human understanding :-) but, none the less, "G" gets it done completely, and with total and complete sincerity.

The other girls think she is a cow, but she is an angel to me...really!!! They should take lessons from her.

With respect to your comment #5, that is my first rule of thumb. Never disclose your personal circumstances at home to a bar girl. I have learned my lesson in this regard, and I promise you that it will totally squash your chances at getting good GFE encounters. The girls DO NOT like being the other woman. It is not that they are neccessarily being virtuous. It's more a matter of them wanting all the attention, and not liking it when a man claims to be interested in them while they have a wife sitting at home. I never disclose such details. IMHO, there is no reason to do so. When you disclose those details, you are telling them more than they are entitled to know, and certainly, you are sabotaging any prospect of getting the quality of GFE performance that I enjoy. Of course, if GFE is not the issue, then it is merely a matter of confidentiality about your personal circumstances that should take precedent.

With respect to your comment #10, I agree with that. With respect to "G," I have told her to expect nothing more, no legitimacy. But, I have also made commitments to her that I will "love" her, just the way she likes it, whenever I come to town. She likes that, and I like the result of my doing that. So, I am having fun, nothing more. The moment my endeavors fail to result in the responses I enjoy from her, I will move on. I will move on, but I will also give my efforts at moving on caring contemplation so as not to hurt my friend. When I make friends with the girls, I do not take their friendship lightly, and I treat them with as much caring consideration as possible.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Addendum and afterthoughts:
1. am not kidding about the Inf girls being critic of us. This week 2 girls, P and X openly told me "how can you f**k a cow". Of course refering to G Spot.
2. Am 48 years old. On friday one of the girls at the Infi, Z (friend to J and X), came up to me and told me "don't you like me or what the f**k".
3. Girls at the Infi are there for the money and it is tough to make a realationship with them but some are so straighforward that you'll be surprised.
4. Girls at the clubs tend to "like" older men and I repeat "like" (quote unquote), cause we treat them diffrently form the younger generations of guys that only think for themselves and really see the girls as trash.
5. They really see us as weird, nice guys, willing to spend money on them, worse of all and almost all the girls have told me this, "if you are so nice, how come you are not at home with your wife"... this really make me think.
6. I never expect anything from them and I make them clear that they should not expect anything from me. Anyway, many get angry with me when they realize that I have many friends at the clubs, which they shouldn't but they do cause of course, am paying.
7. They have a monetary heart, but a heart after all. They are human beings. And bound to fall and make mistakes as we do. I've had 2 or 3 Lambs that think that Iam falling in love with them. I make pretty clear that my purpose in life is to have fun with them not fall in love with them.
8. Iam am honest to them. My married life comes first and am willing to let hell fall on them than risk my normal life.
9. It is tough, but Iam not going to put my hands in fire for them.
10. Everything adds to, if you know your ways in the clubs, you can have so much fun, but that it, nothing more... period.[/QUOTE]

Well, last week I knew that USB was in MTY and there were no reports. Then, BANG!, Wow! What interesting stuff. I am happy to have "experienced" MTY so that I can semi-relate to what you are talking about.

I too, have had a lot of experience with other cultures and relationships. Not on a physical level, but on a spiritual level. Hard to describe this, but in many ways they are the same as the soul is exposed in each.

I had several "extra" relationships while I was married. I have now been single for several years. (I'm 47) The understanding and desires of a person who is single and one that is married seem to me to be completely different. It is hard for a married person to understand this. Married people seem to be searching for intimacy that is not in their current situation. I know that I was. Single people seem to be searching for someone to fill the lonliness in their lives. Single people are not necessarily looking for intimacy or GFE. Maybe that is because 1)they've been there, done that, or 2)they have given up on finding genuine intimacy in ANY relationship. Who knows?
I really enjoy the reports here. I cannot believe the "thought" that you guys put into all of this. Most of what you have said is dead right.

Thanks for all your honesty.

As USB says on my #5 point: They really see us as weird, nice guys, willing to spend money on them, worse of all and almost all the girls have told me this, "if you are so nice, how come you are not at home with your wife"... this really make me think.
Well first of all I meant Iam totally honest with them in the sense that Iam a married man with family and I do not tell lies to them (I never hide the fact am married), also in the sense that I openly tell them that I go to a bunch of clubs and if a girl in particular doesn´t do well I have plenty from where to choose from (I never hide the fact that I have a large Flock).
I must counter USB with that. Personally I always think that the girls prefer honesty above sugar tainted lies. And that has gotten me in serious trouble, even if am paying girls for sex (envy is a horrible monster).
I meant on "this really make me think" just on the fact that why am I seeing hookers et al, not on the fact that I should lie.
I forgot to add this on my last post: As is the G Spot girl, Iam a devout Mexican Catholic. It is hard for nonCatholics to undestand the upbringing we've had in a country where religion still is important in every corner of our society. One that is the mayor religon here.
Let's set aside differences in religion for a second for the benefit of an explanation.
We as upper to high class go to church to thank God for our money.
Lower classes are inseeded to think that through God they will find relief from poverty.
And both lower and upper classes, depending on the upbringing are expected to go to church more than one day a week, far beyond the Sunday service we are supposed to attend.
I know the son (17-18 year old) of an importan industrial leader here that boasts that he goes to church on a daily basis.
Another industrial chieftain is a debout Virgin of Guadalupe follower.
Going to church is as a daily basis routine as is coffee and apple pie to Americans.
Please do not use that as a measuring rod for our society.





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I sincerely appreciate your comments. It helps me keep everything in the proper perspective. But, I have some observations, at least from the perspective of a visiting Gringo. Perhaps these Gringo observations will be understandable to you, but they will be comments that might be more likely lost on, or misinterpreted by, the average Mexican that does not have your experience with our sociology in the US.

We have discussed the class structure and the racism that exists within the Mexican culture. It is similar to our culture in the US, where the african americans of our culture are similiarly regarded when compared to blonde haired, blue eyed, Pamela Anderson types.

With respect to comment #1 from your previous post, "P, "J," and "X" are commenting from a totally racist perspective, one that is understood strictly by Mexican standards. I don't mean that in a critical sense, but merely offer it as an explanation. I do NOT make selections based on Mexican standards of beauty, and I have no appreciation for the class positioning that effects the overall attitudes of most Mexicanas.

Just as Thai men do not regard darked skinned girls of Thailand to be beautiful, but instead regard them as ugly hillbillies, many Westerners find the dark skinned Thai girls far preferable to the light skinned girls. The Thai men routinely laugh at Westerners that select the darked skinned girl, girls that are HOT, HOT, HOT to us Westerners. Remember when we showed the pictures of the dark skinned Philipinas to the girls in the "O" and "P" places. I assure you, those Philipinas are HOT, HOT, HOT in every sense of the word as it relates to US male preferences.

The fact is, most Mexican bar girls are so introspective that they miss the mark entirely when I take them on salida. They simply do not understand what makes me "tick." Frankly, I suspect most of them haven't a clue how to please me. Most of them, were I to select them for salida, will never be bar fined more than once. I do not want to spend the hard earned cash on girls that do not understand what I like, nor do I want to spend the money on girls that do not have the conscientiousness to find out what I like.

That is the problem, verdad...most of the girls are too thick headed to understand what they need to be doing to make me happy. They are applying a stereotypical generic Mexican formula of performance when on salida, one that does not address my criteria. They are too narrowly focused on their routine to deviate from what they think I want.

There are so many Mexican girls that, upon finishing their salidas, have insisted on giving me their phone numbers so I can call them back for more salidas. Many of them aren't worth a shit. I have literally thrown their phone numbers in the trash after they have left my room. But, they all think in their minds that they are God's gift to male sexuality. I will never call them for a second chance at bat.

I don't mean this to sound critical of "P," "X," or "J" as viable HOT selections made by my amigos in MTY, because all of those girl certainly are HOT girls. But, I am merely saying that most girls I have bar fined, especially in MTY, fall far short of "G's" performance with me.

I speculate that my preferences are more emotionally based than most mongers, and that having a deeper emotional relationship with the girl is a huge catalyst to great sex. The closeness provides the intensity of emotion that I enjoy when sex does occur.

I doubt most of the girls we know in the clubs would be sharp enough to understand my need for this, much less sensitive enough to actually realize that their own sexual experiences would be enhanced by the same kind of performance that I am getting from "G." Afterall, females are the gender that appreciates the romance, the communication, and the closeness.

I once made a comment to "G" that I didn't think that girls really gave a shit about sex. Certainly, my personal opionion is that the quality of sex is significantly enhanced when love is present, not because we need it as males, but because females exhibit so much more emotional commitment to the act when love is present. "G" told me that sex in the privados is of no consequence to her, that it is totally and completely meaningless to her, just a means to make money, nothing more. Then, several days later, she commented during sex with me that the intensity of sex for her was so satisfying because love existed between us, at least from her perspective. That is such an insightful glimpse into the female mind, one that is profoundly revealing.

Frankly, I experience this kind of GFE performance from Mexican girls that allow me to get close enough so that I get to know them. The longer I know them, the closer I am able to get to them, and the closer I seem to be able to solicit the GFE performance I desire from them. But, with most Mexican girls, it takes a while to break down their defenses. With most, I tire of the chase and give up on working any romantic magic on them. It is truly their loss because they are the gender that is most comforted by such levels of intimacy.

But, once the girls relax their defenses, and surrender their emotions, they usually decide that they really enjoy the experience so much more. But, as my PM friend indicated, most of the girls have a wall around them, a wall to protect themselves. Sometimes these walls are so thick they are inpenetrable.

Between "G" and me, there is simply no wall. She desires the same things I desire from an encounter. I have known her a long time. We are now very close to one another, and it pays off in GFE. I can uncategorically say that there are few girls, worldwide, that have compared in GFE quality to the "G" spot.

But, there again, she chose me. I doubt she would deliver that quality on salida to just anybody. Fact is, on our first encounter, she did not deliver that level of intensity. It was only after she got to know me that she became interested, deciding that she wanted the closeness. Then, once we became more intimate as friends, everything came together sexually.

I speak from a perspective that is wholey based on my own specific Gringo criteria. I know my criteria are not typical of the average monger, and that my preference for GFE sopmetimes seems to far surpass human understanding :-) but, none the less, "G" gets it done completely, and with total and complete sincerity.

The other girls think she is a cow, but she is an angel to me...really!!! They should take lessons from her.

With respect to your comment #5, that is my first rule of thumb. Never disclose your personal circumstances at home to a bar girl. I have learned my lesson in this regard, and I promise you that it will totally squash your chances at getting good GFE encounters. The girls DO NOT like being the other woman. It is not that they are neccessarily being virtuous. It's more a matter of them wanting all the attention, and not liking it when a man claims to be interested in them while they have a wife sitting at home. I never disclose such details. IMHO, there is no reason to do so. When you disclose those details, you are telling them more than they are entitled to know, and certainly, you are sabotaging any prospect of getting the quality of GFE performance that I enjoy. Of course, if GFE is not the issue, then it is merely a matter of confidentiality about your personal circumstances that should take precedent.

With respect to your comment #10, I agree with that. With respect to "G," I have told her to expect nothing more, no legitimacy. But, I have also made commitments to her that I will "love" her, just the way she likes it, whenever I come to town. She likes that, and I like the result of my doing that. So, I am having fun, nothing more. The moment my endeavors fail to result in the responses I enjoy from her, I will move on. I will move on, but I will also give my efforts at moving on caring contemplation so as not to hurt my friend. When I make friends with the girls, I do not take their friendship lightly, and I treat them with as much caring consideration as possible.[/QUOTE]

Carlos,

I sincerely respect your honesty with the girls, and in your circumstance, living in Monterrey, and because most of your encounters are within the clubs and not on salida, I can fully appreciate the merits of that strategy for you, and the limited downside to make those disclosures to the girls in advance. You are in a position to work your charms on them over time, to slowly develop the relationships between you and the girls, breaking down their inhabitions over the marriage issue. But, I am only there a short time each month.

I have to make my endeavors count, and quickly. I simply don't have the time to work your kind of magic on them. So, I choose not to disclose the one factor that I know will kill the deal. I have found that if I disclose that factor, the availability of GFE is almost non-existent. There would simply be no reason for me to return to Monterrey, other than, of course to visit you and your family, my amigos, etc...There would otherwise be no reason to return to Monterrey if the girls are holding back on me due to my personal circumstances.

In the case of "G," the traditional mongering wisdom is not comfortable with the bar girl enjoying our time together. Enjoyment for females has more to do with emotion than sex. It seems that mongers are more comfortable if services are provided in a cold and calculating manner. The truth is, I have made her delivery of those services enjoyable for her. She is seemingly very happy, and tells me how happy she is, almost every moment I am with her.

So, I have to ask myself, which is worse, to make her happy to the best of my ability, or to simply use her sexually, with no emotional nurturing for her in the deal. Ignorance is Bliss...If I start in telling her all of my personal circumstances, it is certain to dampen her enjoyment. She is still going to be available to provide the services if I pay the salida regardless of whether she knows my personal circumstances. So, what is the benefit of her knowing?

She is in the business of providing sexual favors. I am merely giving her something she does not get otherwise in return. I am giving something of myself to her, emotional love that is sincere, something that all girls really need much more than sex. She is very, very, happy. To tell her my personal circumstances would ruin the warmth and emotional nurturing that she lacks on a daily basis, especially lacking as a result of her chosen profession. Believe me when I say, she is not getting the same thing elsewhere, and she is very melacholy over the lack of it. If I tell her the truth, it all stops...

I do feel guilty not telling "G" the truth, and I have contemplated explaining the truth to her. I have a real soft spot in my heart for her, and I feel terrible about lying to her. But, her knowing my personal circumstances will change nothing with respect to her own obligation to provide the service. I have already told her there is no way we will be together in the conventional sense, and I have been quite firm about it.

My plan is to eventually tell her my personal circumstances when the time is right. It is still very early in our relationship, and I do intend to let her know eventually, to let her see that I can still come to town and give her what she needs regardless of my personal circumstances. It goes against my better judgement to tell a bar girl anything, but in her case, to me, she is much more than just a bar girl. I want to convince her that we can still have the same emotionally nurturing times together, and I am hoping that she will need me more than her religious and social taboos limit her internally once I tell her.

Generally speaking with regard to bar fining the girls, especially the first or second times, when I pay the money to bring the girls back to my room on salida, desiring them to usually stay beyond that normal range of time, 1.5 hours, and to stay because they want to stay, I have found that most of them are inhibited knowing they are with a married man.

Even with Cindy #1, it was the single most important factor in that entire affair ending prematurely. Cindy #1 is not a Mexican girl of significantly high regilous upbringing, and I have concluded that if the marriage issue is one of consequence for her, then a girl with high moral religious character would find it extremely distasteful. I have discovered over the last five years that knowledge of that fact has a significant dampening effect on the quality of my encounters with Mexican girls. If I can not find the GFE in Mexico, I've concluded that I will have to travel elsewhere to get it.

But, I like Monterrey, and I don't want to be flying off to Costa Rica, Columbia, Asia, etc...just to get the GFE's that I know exist there otherwise, places were the marriage issue does not seem to effect todo la noche or the quality of GFE. I am attempting to make the Monterrey experience work for me, and up to now, it has been working quite well in comparison to those austensibly better destinations.

Instead, I choose not to disclose my personal circumstances to them. But, instead, I choose to firmly explain to them the other reasons why I can not be with them permenantly; business, family, assets in the US, citizenship in the US, just all the plethera of reasons why it is impractical for me to move to Monterrey to be with them.

Even if I were completely free for the taking, it would not make any difference. I realize that sociologically, educationally, intellectually, age, and in almost every other way, I am simply not a match-up for most bar girls, Mexicanas or otherwise. It just simply would not work. I don't bring that directly to their attention because it would hurt their feelings, but it is profoundly obvious that such a class match is doomed to failure, notwithstanding the prostituted bar girl background, which is a whole other discussion.

I have told "G" that I will not relocate to Monterrey, that there is NO future for her with me, at least not one of permenent legitimacy. I have explained all the reasons to her, reasons that do not relate to my personal circumstances at home, but reasons that ARE sufficient to stand on their own merits.

I must also point out that with most bar girls, the depth of emotional bonding is not as strong as what "G" and I have encountered. But, of course, recently I have gone through what I believe might be the same problem with "Angry Girl." Remember, she was continually asking me to move to Monterrey. But, of course, I explained the same things to her about it not being practical, etc...

Frankly, I see her eventual reactions to me as emotional, and not anything whatsoever to do with business, or whether I offended her with my comments to her in the privados, etc...I think her emotional reactions were a result of my pursuing other girls in front of her face after she severed our relationship. Her reactions to me following that drama simply do not make sense. Imagine her indignation when she finds out that I am dating "G," a girl that they all think of as lower standard, especially when she realizes she has been rejected in favor of a girl that they all see as lower standard than themselves. I will undoubtedly have hell to pay.

With respect to your comments about religion and Mexican society, I find your comments instructive and insightful.

"We as upper to high class go to church to thank God for our money.
Lower classes are inseeded to think that through God they will find relief from poverty.
And both lower and upper classes, depending on the upbringing are expected to go to church more than one day a week, far beyond the Sunday service we are supposed to attend.
I know the son (17-18 year old) of an importan industrial leader here that boasts that he goes to church on a daily basis.
Another industrial chieftain is a debout Virgin of Guadalupe follower.
Going to church is as a daily basis routine as is coffee and apple pie to Americans.
Please do not use that as a measuring rod for our society."

While you probably don't understand my admiration of these religious bonds within Mexican society, I truly admire the commitment to church within your culture, and I found it to be an extremely comforting thing about "G," especially with respect to her desire that I attend with her. I do not measure your society based on it's being centered around religion, but I do measure individuals based on my interpretation of their legitimate commitments to their religion. I believe "G" to have the courage of her convictions, and I respect that a great deal in her.

It shows a depth of inherent character in her that transcends the otherwise damning label that attaches to a bar girl and her activities. I remember "G" asking me the depth of my own spirituality, and her relief at knowning that, while I am not a Catholic, our belief systems are the same.

It is the content of her character with respect to her religious convictions, convictions that are not sociological in nature, but seemingly legitimately religious on her part, notwithstanding the bar girl baggage, that makes me love her a lot. Her religious convictions are a window that discloses the purity of her soul, regardless of her daily activities in the bar. Frankly, in my assessment, it is what seperates her from her critics in the bar, and what makes her more beautiful and desireable than most of them could ever hope to be.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]As USB says on my #5 point: They really see us as weird, nice guys, willing to spend money on them, worse of all and almost all the girls have told me this, "if you are so nice, how come you are not at home with your wife"... this really make me think.
Well first of all I meant Iam totally honest with them in the sense that Iam a married man with family and I do not tell lies to them (I never hide the fact am married), also in the sense that I openly tell them that I go to a bunch of clubs and if a girl in particular doesn´t do well I have plenty from where to choose from (I never hide the fact that I have a large Flock).
I must counter USB with that. Personally I always think that the girls prefer honesty above sugar tainted lies. And that has gotten me in serious trouble, even if am paying girls for sex (envy is a horrible monster).
I meant on "this really make me think" just on the fact that why am I seeing hookers et al, not on the fact that I should lie.
I forgot to add this on my last post: As is the G Spot girl, Iam a devout Mexican Catholic. It is hard for nonCatholics to undestand the upbringing we've had in a country where religion still is important in every corner of our society. One that is the mayor religon here.
Let's set aside differences in religion for a second for the benefit of an explanation.
We as upper to high class go to church to thank God for our money.
Lower classes are inseeded to think that through God they will find relief from poverty.
And both lower and upper classes, depending on the upbringing are expected to go to church more than one day a week, far beyond the Sunday service we are supposed to attend.
I know the son (17-18 year old) of an importan industrial leader here that boasts that he goes to church on a daily basis.
Another industrial chieftain is a debout Virgin of Guadalupe follower.
Going to church is as a daily basis routine as is coffee and apple pie to Americans.
Please do not use that as a measuring rod for our society.[/QUOTE]

I contemplated the following with respect to lying to the girls about our true circumstances.

We tell bar girls many lies, especially initially when we first meet them. But, truthfully, the lies told to bar girls, unless they become important to me emotionally, such as "G" is at this juncture, are of no consequence.

The bars girls lie to us, we lie to them...it is expected, verdad? But more importantly, if we are going to examine ourselves for the lying that occurs, then we should examine ourselves completely, not only with respect to the lies we might tell a bar girl or two, but specifically concerning the lies we are telling to the ones that are already significant to us.

What about the lies we tell our wives, the ones that truly love us, the ones that put up with us, the ones that stick by us, and the ones that take care of us?

I AM troubled by my lying to "G." But, the way I see it, I have to tell huge lies at home just to participate in the scene in MTY to begin with. Lying to bar girls in order to participate in that scene to the fullest, in order to get GFE results, is the least of my worries.

My concern developes only if "love" develops, in which case the lies have already been told. With "G," I am at that juncture where the lies told were told in advance of any "relationship" developing. At this juncture, to disclose the lie would be cruel and uneccessary. I have chosen to wait for a more appropriate time to disclose the truth, preferably after she is down off her current emotional high.

Frankly, I lie intially to the girls to protect my "legitimate" life, and to limit the inhabitions that marriage places on us with respect to GFE. With most bar girls, the relationship does not progress to the point of emotional love, but I am strongly convinced that the lie does help solicit the GFE none the less.

If I am willing to lie to my partner in life in order to visit MTY to begin with, then I have few regrets initially lying to bar girls in order to enjoy the mongering scene there.

I have much more of a legitimate problem over lying to my wife, and lying to girls that might eventually fall in love with me, than I do lying to bar girls that have no emotional attachment at our initial meetings.

So, I lie to bar girls during our initial meetings because there is no emotional attachment, and I choose instead to protect the details of my personal life. Afterall, I have already made the transgression, lying to my wife to be there in the first place. So, a little lying to the bar girls on our first meeting is of little concern to me.

My choosing to lie to my wife, while substituting a misplaced quasi concern over initially lying to a bar girl, is just kidding myself, a false virtuosity on my part.

I kind of missed this part when I read your post:

"The bars girls lie to us, we lie to them...it is expected, verdad?"

You are wrong. They can tell us anything they like, be it truth or lie, thing is you shouldn't pay attention. You shouldn't care, the only truth here is the one YOU want to carry on.
This is going to sound to philosophical, but the only one that counts here is your own existence.

"I AM troubled by my lying to "G." But, the way I see it, I have to tell huge lies at home just to participate in the scene in MTY to begin with. Lying to bar girls in order to participate in that scene to the fullest, in order to get GFE results, is the least of my worries. "

You should only be troubled with what you say at home. Why make it double trouble? Me, am only worried with the home part cause I do not lie to the club girls. They know am married and they should not expect anything from me.






[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I contemplated the following with respect to lying to the girls about our true circumstances.

We tell bar girls many lies, especially initially when we first meet them. But, truthfully, the lies told to bar girls, unless they become important to me emotionally, such as "G" is at this juncture, are of no consequence.

The bars girls lie to us, we lie to them...it is expected, verdad? But more importantly, if we are going to examine ourselves for the lying that occurs, then we should examine ourselves completely, not only with respect to the lies we might tell a bar girl or two, but specifically concerning the lies we are telling to the ones that are already significant to us.

What about the lies we tell our wives, the ones that truly love us, the ones that put up with us, the ones that stick by us, and the ones that take care of us?

I AM troubled by my lying to "G." But, the way I see it, I have to tell huge lies at home just to participate in the scene in MTY to begin with. Lying to bar girls in order to participate in that scene to the fullest, in order to get GFE results, is the least of my worries.

My concern developes only if "love" develops, in which case the lies have already been told. With "G," I am at that juncture where the lies told were told in advance of any "relationship" developing. At this juncture, to disclose the lie would be cruel and uneccessary. I have chosen to wait for a more appropriate time to disclose the truth, preferably after she is down off her current emotional high.

Frankly, I lie intially to the girls to protect my "legitimate" life, and to limit the inhabitions that marriage places on us with respect to GFE. With most bar girls, the relationship does not progress to the point of emotional love, but I am strongly convinced that the lie does help solicit the GFE none the less.

If I am willing to lie to my partner in life in order to visit MTY to begin with, then I have few regrets initially lying to bar girls in order to enjoy the mongering scene there.

I have much more of a legitimate problem over lying to my wife, and lying to girls that might eventually fall in love with me, than I do lying to bar girls that have no emotional attachment at our initial meetings.

So, I lie to bar girls during our initial meetings because there is no emotional attachment, and I choose instead to protect the details of my personal life. Afterall, I have already made the transgression, lying to my wife to be there in the first place. So, a little lying to the bar girls on our first meeting is of little concern to me.

My choosing to lie to my wife, while substituting a misplaced quasi concern over initially lying to a bar girl, is just kidding myself, a false virtuosity on my part.[/QUOTE]

Carlos, mi buen amigo...el rey de Monterrey...

I think we are basically in agreement, as usual. I agree with you that the "ONLY" concern should be with respect to what we are telling our loved one's at home.

I think I should be mindful of "G's" feelings, but I am much more concerned about not disclosing my personal circumstances to such individuals, bar girls who generally are totally unreliable, totally scamming, totally insincere, generally only interested in money, etc...

While I do think "G" is different, I don't know that for sure, and until I am totally comfortable with her motivations, I am choosing to maintain my confidentiality. I know my writings suggest a naive emotional vulnerability and foolishness on my part, but my level of intellectual caution is still very much in tact.

I have merely concealed my personal circumstances, and told her very seriously that she should ONLY expect things from me when I am there, and that there can be NO futura con el gringo. She knows that because I have been really very adamant about it.

But, I have also told her that while I am there, we will have a lot of fun. It will be up to her to cut me off because she is triste that I am NOT available for her permenently. But, I hope she decides that some of USB, and his money, is better than none of the USB or his money.

Frankly, with bar girls, I am not always entirely sure of their true intentions, whether they are merely lying to me for money, whether they are sincere with me in anything they say. So, I always choose to conceal my personal circumstances. Even in the case of "G," I am not entirely sure of her sincerity, and unless this goes on for a while, I won't be entirely sure of her sincerity. I've simply experienced too much lying from bar girls to have any faith in the validity of their behavior toward me. That doesn't mean that I am going to treat them any differently, but it does mean that I am going to hold all my personal information close to the vest, certainly until I know for sure.

I hope "G" decides to take the occassional fun and carino, feelings that for my part, ARE very sincere. She is certainly providing the best GFE I have ever experienced in Mexico, one that rivals anything I have found in Asia and Colombia, and I have found a lot of GFE in Asia and Colombia. I think she is being sincere, but it hasn't really been sufficient time to make a judgement.

To all of the critics of the Mexican experience, I say you are not giving it your all. GFE does exist in Mexico, and it rivals anything available worldwide.

What I am about to inquire of you Carlos, our resident expert on the cultural influences upon Mexican bar girls, is not meant to be offensive or critical of the Mexicanos. But, I am beginning to really wonder, purely from a intellectual and philosophical perspective, as an inquisitive intellectual, how a 24 year old, hard bodied, stripper girl is head over heals in love with a middle aged gringo, albeit a really nice gringo, but a gringo that is a little gordo, but in pretty decent shape, mucho excercise, but middle aged, verdad? Mexicanos must really treat their girls LIKE SHIT for me to have this kind of success.

Currently, according to "G," she can't find a novio that she would have, nor does she even want to look for another substitute novio, one that she will accept. Fact is, she has told me she uncategorically will not ever choose a younger guy. That suggests we "old geezers" are in a pretty good position in Mexico for GFE encounters, if we make a little effort, verdad?

She is really down on her prospects in Mexico, especially the young men. I have encouraged her to look for a good boyfriend, prerferrably a younger one, younger than me at least, but she is really quite starved for whatever I seemingly provide her. I am giving her the same kind treatment that I would provide to any girl that I would take on salida, nothing special other than just being nice to her. I was not trying to make her fall in love with me, but merely playing the "good date." Frankly, the resulting GFE is not so much a result of "MY" efforts, but more a result of her choosing me, her reacting postitively to what I always do, and her having a desire to make the whole experience one of affection rather then just a business relationship.

And, by the way...

Carlos, let me know if you need anything on this next trip. Also, I think the Nintendo "Wii" might be starting to become available here, but I need to check on it for sure. I heard of a circumstance the other day where a local kid got one of them, so let me know if "?" still wants one, ok?


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]I kind of missed this part when I read your post:

"The bars girls lie to us, we lie to them...it is expected, verdad?"

You are wrong. They can tell us anything they like, be it truth or lie, thing is you shouldn't pay attention. You shouldn't care, the only truth here is the one YOU want to carry on.
This is going to sound to philosophical, but the only one that counts here is your own existence.

"I AM troubled by my lying to "G." But, the way I see it, I have to tell huge lies at home just to participate in the scene in MTY to begin with. Lying to bar girls in order to participate in that scene to the fullest, in order to get GFE results, is the least of my worries. "

You should only be troubled with what you say at home. Why make it double trouble? Me, am only worried with the home part cause I do not lie to the club girls. They know am married and they should not expect anything from me.[/QUOTE]

I am torn between speaking my mind and watching a friend experiencing love, true love.

My honest opinion? This is all a game. Girls play us while making us feel we are the ones playing them. No such love exists. Lust for a hot young body and the need to feel needed, maybe. But love? Lo dudo.

Enjoy whatever the girl gives you. Lie to her as needed because she is doing the same. A girl spending every single day of her life servicing men upstairs and a man spending most of his life looking for the next GFE can NOT be honest with each other. Both are after one thing. Take a wild guess what that is.

And by the way, this applies to all of us mongers and all our ladies. All of them.

Wasted


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Carlos, mi buen amigo...el rey de Monterrey...

I think we are basically in agreement, as usual. I agree with you that the "ONLY" concern should be with respect to what we are telling our loved one's at home.

I think I should be mindful of "G's" feelings, but I am much more concerned about not disclosing my personal circumstances to such individuals, bar girls who generally are totally unreliable, totally scamming, totally insincere, generally only interested in money, etc...

While I do think "G" is different, I don't know that for sure, and until I am totally comfortable with her motivations, I am choosing to maintain my confidentiality. I know my writings suggest a naive emotional vulnerability and foolishness on my part, but my level of intellectual caution is still very much in tact.

I have merely concealed my personal circumstances, and told her very seriously that she should ONLY expect things from me when I am there, and that there can be NO futura con el gringo. She knows that because I have been really very adamant about it.

But, I have also told her that while I am there, we will have a lot of fun. It will be up to her to cut me off because she is triste that I am NOT available for her permenently. But, I hope she decides that some of USB, and his money, is better than none of the USB or his money.

Frankly, with bar girls, I am not always entirely sure of their true intentions, whether they are merely lying to me for money, whether they are sincere with me in anything they say. So, I always choose to conceal my personal circumstances. Even in the case of "G," I am not entirely sure of her sincerity, and unless this goes on for a while, I won't be entirely sure of her sincerity. I've simply experienced too much lying from bar girls to have any faith in the validity of their behavior toward me. That doesn't mean that I am going to treat them any differently, but it does mean that I am going to hold all my personal information close to the vest, certainly until I know for sure.

I hope "G" decides to take the occassional fun and carino, feelings that for my part, ARE very sincere. She is certainly providing the best GFE I have ever experienced in Mexico, one that rivals anything I have found in Asia and Colombia, and I have found a lot of GFE in Asia and Colombia. I think she is being sincere, but it hasn't really been sufficient time to make a judgement.

To all of the critics of the Mexican experience, I say you are not giving it your all. GFE does exist in Mexico, and it rivals anything available worldwide.

What I am about to inquire of you Carlos, our resident expert on the cultural influences upon Mexican bar girls, is not meant to be offensive or critical of the Mexicanos. But, I am beginning to really wonder, purely from a intellectual and philosophical perspective, as an inquisitive intellectual, how a 24 year old, hard bodied, stripper girl is head over heals in love with a middle aged gringo, albeit a really nice gringo, but a gringo that is a little gordo, but in pretty decent shape, mucho excercise, but middle aged, verdad? Mexicanos must really treat their girls LIKE SHIT for me to have this kind of success.

Currently, according to "G," she can't find a novio that she would have, nor does she even want to look for another substitute novio, one that she will accept. Fact is, she has told me she uncategorically will not ever choose a younger guy. That suggests we "old geezers" are in a pretty good position in Mexico for GFE encounters, if we make a little effort, verdad?

She is really down on her prospects in Mexico, especially the young men. I have encouraged her to look for a good boyfriend, prerferrably a younger one, younger than me at least, but she is really quite starved for whatever I seemingly provide her. I am giving her the same kind treatment that I would provide to any girl that I would take on salida, nothing special other than just being nice to her. I was not trying to make her fall in love with me, but merely playing the "good date." Frankly, the resulting GFE is not so much a result of "MY" efforts, but more a result of her choosing me, her reacting postitively to what I always do, and her having a desire to make the whole experience one of affection rather then just a business relationship.

And, by the way...

Carlos, let me know if you need anything on this next trip. Also, I think the Nintendo "Wii" might be starting to become available here, but I need to check on it for sure. I heard of a circumstance the other day where a local kid got one of them, so let me know if "?" still wants one, ok?[/QUOTE]

I must agree with Wasted... but in the aspect that she is there working right now... has been working there, as if nothing.
Another side to the coin.
Wasted asked me, when he was here, how could I not mend my relationship with my Obsession Lamb after so much time. Let me point out that she went ballistic when I bought another girl a drink (I sent her the drink, not even sat with her)... real part here is that she is not entitled to be angry. After all, Iam the guy with the money and they are the ones that need it.
My Lamb, on the contrary, should have made a better effort of me noticing her, not the other way around, killing the friendship.
Am I going to miss her? Yes, and a lot, but Iam not going to mess my life because of her.
That is the point... it's supposed to be fun, after all, we are paying.
Am not into clubs and club girls to screw my life up... cause their life is not my life.
Even if I respect the girls, even if I have good friends among them, they are our equivalent of you white trash....


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I am torn between speaking my mind and watching a friend experiencing love, true love.

My honest opinion? This is all a game. Girls play us while making us feel we are the ones playing them. No such love exists. Lust for a hot young body and the need to feel needed, maybe. But love? Lo dudo.

Enjoy whatever the girl gives you. Lie to her as needed because she is doing the same. A girl spending every single day of her life servicing men upstairs and a man spending most of his life looking for the next GFE can NOT be honest with each other. Both are after one thing. Take a wild guess what that is.

And by the way, this applies to all of us mongers and all our ladies. All of them.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

This is where I would like to select the button that permits me to quote both of my amigos at once, Carlos and WastedG. I will have to vote my opinions in the satisfaction poll that Jackson has available on the home page. It would be preferable to be able to address more than one commentary at a time by simply pressing a button.

You guys are both 100% correct...

WastedG, I think you have most accurately portrayed my true feelings in the entire matter. I appreciate the concern of my brothers in arms...but, don't worry, I am totally and completely grounded in reality.

I agree with you 100%...

It is strictly a game, a game of finding the girl that makes you feel the best, the one that delivers your optimum experience. So far, over a five year period, "G" has been the best at delivering what I enjoy. The love, at least for me, is born strictly out of the moment. For my part, there is NO desire for, or anticipation of, anything long term. I hope for nothing other than a close friendship, and perhaps an intimacy that is experienced passionately, with sincerity, and nothing more.

Enduring "love" is limited by many factors too numerous to mention, not to mention my own aversion to such a situation developing between me and a Mexican Lower Class Uneducated Bar Girl. It is quite clearly a point of controversy between "G" and me. She seems to sincerely be looking for more. I have explained to her that there is only the here and now, and there will never be a long term anything. She is not easily accepting of that explanation, regardless of whether her contradictory nightly lacivious activities in the bar might otherwise suggest that she is calculatingly emotionless and preditory. Descriptions that I do not think are accurate of her in comparison to most bar girls I know, and I know a ton, Worldwide. Fact is, I think her motivations are pretty sweet. But, it really doesn't matter because there is nothing more to it than what we have.

Do I believe her affections are real? Yes, I do believe so, regardless of the contradictory nature of her job. But, truly, it doesn't matter if her affections are real or not, if in the end, the result satisfies my reason for being there. My affections for her are totally real in the moment, and I regard her as my intimate friend. I would not want to do anything to hurt any of my friends, she included.

But, I have NO anticipation for anything more than what we currently have, just some fun in the moment when I visit Monterrey, nothing more (or 12-15 hours, whichever comes first, hahahah!!!). I have encouraged her, if she is sincere, to savor our moments together. Because, there will never be more between us.

On the other hand, if her affections are calculatingly insincere, then it makes no difference because I am enjoying the ride, and I anticipate nothing more beyond our moments together in the here and now. But, if her affections last, I hope to enjoy being with her well into the future. That would be just fine with me.

But, the truth is, I will remain happy as long as she delivers the GFE I enjoy. If and when she waivers in the delivery of that affection, which I am sure will eventually transpire, then I will be looking for the next candidate. But, of course, if she is able to maintain my attention beyond the norm, perhaps for a relatively lengthy period of time, then based on the way I feel now, I would be perfectly happy keeping her around. She is fun, and she is fulfilling my expectations. So, I enjoy being with her. End of story.

WastedG, here, IMHO, is your most significant statement, one that I concur with completely:

"Enjoy whatever the girl gives you. Lie to her as needed because she is doing the same. A girl spending every single day of her life servicing men upstairs and a man spending most of his life looking for the next GFE can NOT be honest with each other. Both are after one thing. Take a wild guess what that is. And by the way, this applies to all of us mongers and all our ladies. All of them."

You have hit the nail on the head my friend. But, here is the question, a question that originates from the mouth of the devil himself...

Where, within the category of "our ladies," are our most beloved ladies, those that do enjoy a long term existence with us? For my part, just so you understand my perspective, that is where, for me, true love actually does exist, love that endures beyond the sexual/affectionate/hard body/young piece of ass/nubile/ passions in the moment. With our significant beloved ladies is where we find a deep abiding spiritual love that transcends the lust of the body, a love that exists between two souls.

But, frankly, to lump our most beloved ladies into the mix does bother me. But, of course, they are, through no apparent fault of their own, a significant party to the mix.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I am torn between speaking my mind and watching a friend experiencing love, true love.

My honest opinion? This is all a game. Girls play us while making us feel we are the ones playing them. No such love exists. Lust for a hot young body and the need to feel needed, maybe. But love? Lo dudo.

Enjoy whatever the girl gives you. Lie to her as needed because she is doing the same. A girl spending every single day of her life servicing men upstairs and a man spending most of his life looking for the next GFE can NOT be honest with each other. Both are after one thing. Take a wild guess what that is.

And by the way, this applies to all of us mongers and all our ladies. All of them.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

USB: I omitted most of your post and left the parts that I believe you know is the truth.

Last week when I was in MTY, I took my lady "J" from the "O" place, who we are all very happy to know has left the business and is now working. I mean working like you and me to earn a living. No longer servicing men. Anyways, I took her to a nice restaurant where, during our conversation, told me she loved me. I asked 'what?' as if I did not hear, she replied 'TE AMO'. again and again she yelled ' TE AMO' for all to hear.

She gives me the most out of all the girls I know in MTY. If this was my first visit to MTY, I would have fallen head over heals for her and if I was single, I would've married her. She truly gives me a full GFE and even more like a wife. She acts like really loves me. But .... she does not move a single hair in my body ... emotionally. She's very hot and extremely satisfying sexually, but I have no emotions for her.

Look at my "P" girl from the "I" place. My heart goes out to her. I love her so much but only as a lady friend. I am not in love with her. I love her because she is so sweet and always sincere. She asks me to take her out. She will stay all night and all day with me. take me out. I'll do whatever you want. And she does. I take her to the clubs. I have never seem someone make love to the music they way se does. But she never ever shared any emotional notes with me. I see her as the most honest SC girl in MTY. Never lied to me about anything simply because our relationship has never gone beyond her being my escort girl.

X girl? Hot dammm. I think I'm gonna dump her. Bad news. Warning to everyone. Stay away from her.

You said: "But, frankly, to lump our most beloved ladies into the mix does bother me." Well my good friend. True. I believe the girls we (you, Carlos and I) select are surely gentler and kinder. They are the chosen few. We are in agreement that they are the sweeter selection. Just so darn cute. I hope that they all find a better life out there and resist the financial temptation. Nevertheless, they remain, for now, SC girls.

While I was at the "I" place one night, "P" girl left me to go on stage for the lineup. For a minute, I was so sad watching her on stage waiting for a mofo to take her upstairs to f**k her. What the hell? I could not look her in the eye and I walked out. That was the night you and I went to the Casino with Mr. "L" afterwards.

These girls break my heart. I appreciate the opportunity to be nice to them for a night or a day but it kills me to watch them on stage.

One girl that is hitting on Carlos asked him bluntly 'when are you gonna f**k me?' This no different than my sweet "P" girl asking me to take her out all night. Just a different approach.

OK. I'll stop blabbering.

Wasted


[QUOTE=
But, I have NO anticipation for anything more than what we currently have, just some fun in the moment when I visit Monterrey, nothing more (or 12-15 hours, whichever comes first, hahahah!!!). I have encouraged her, if she is sincere, to savor our moments together. Because, there will never be more between us.

But, frankly, to lump our most beloved ladies into the mix does bother me. But, of course, they are, through no apparent fault of their own, a significant party to the mix.[/QUOTE]

The thing that best describes my emotional feelings for my girlfriends is the word "sentimentality." I concluded long ago that I am almost postitive that I care more emotionally, sentimentally that is, more for them than they do for me.

*********************IMPORTANT NOTE!!!!*********************

That doesn't change my way of handling my interactions with them. That is, it does NOT make me fall head over heals in love with them, desiring a permenant, committed relationship. But, I have to admit, they do have my affection, caring, concern, and in the moment, my love.********

At times, certain ones have cried in my presence, austensibly displaying their emotional affections for me. There are times that I know the tears are NOT false expressions of their emotions for me, but sincere in origin. Sometimes they are displays of emotion that are over what they have not been able to find in life, thereby projecting that melancholy onto me, the "nice guy," the one that treats them well.

Who knows why they are sometimes emotional. There are a thousand reasons why they are affectionate and emotional with us. Most of it, I believe, is wishful thinking on their part. Perhaps we are their knights in shining armor on snow white horses. But, even then, even when their emotions are sincere, I have this sixth sense that the level of caring and concern I have for them is differently defined than their level of caring and concern for me. I believe it is a cultural difference between their upbringing in Mexico and mine in the USA. One can not discount the cultural differences, and to misinterpret them is to deceive one's self.

Who knows, maybe it is all just SEX and lust on both our parts. But, how is one to know the depth of their affections for sure. We can not. There jobs interject so much doubt into our thought processes, that we must conclude, especially for the sake of our own emotional survival, that they are simply there to be used by us, and that their expressions are simply for show, to gain more money from us. But, truly, how are we to truly know whether their affections are legitimate or not. With some of them it is very hard to tell for sure.

Afterall, our girlfriends ARE girls first, people second, and hookers third. They have hopes and dreams, most of which consist of a "normal" life, where caring and affection are an intregal part of their lives, and more importantly where money and need is not so much a part of their daily existence. I think we easily forget that, certainly as affluent Gringos, and as high class, successful Mexicanos too.

I firmly believe that the treatment we give our favoritas is different than what the girls experience from the other guys in the club scene on a daily basis, especially within the lower end clubs. For the girls, the club scene is their job. Believe me, they view it as such. What they do in the privados is no different to them than emptying a bed pan, giving an enima, etc... just as a nurse might do in a hospital. I think many of them have rationalized their jobs as such, possibly viewing themselves as our "angels of mercy," and emotional/psychological healers. They view their jobs in the privados as simply providing us with relief, and their is NO emotional attachment for them. Emotional nurturing is what pushes a woman's buttons, NOT SEX in and of itself. They do not get emotional nurturing in the privados, but they do get emotional nurturing and sincere appreciation from us when on salida. My behavior toward them is 100% sincere in that respect.

I do not think that all of the girls view their time with us on salida as their "jobs." Some do of course, the ones that are just in it for the money and nothing else, certainly. But, I know a number of girls that seemingly get a lot more out of our taking them on salida, and being treated like a real woman, being treated as something special, being treated as something more than just our hookers. When we treat them as young women, they are no longer simply servicing another "John" in the privados. Those are the girls that are special to me. The ones that recipricate my affections in ernest are the ones that receive my friendship and caring concern, mainly because it seems to be sincerely given in return on their part.

We as affluent men forget that our girlfriends live lives that we might not be able to tolerate were we in their same circumstances. I am mindful of the difficulties some of our girlfriends must endure. I am specifically aware that some of them have harsh and difficult family circumstances. Others of them I can only imagine what their lives might be like. And, of course, others of them are simply in that vocation because they are greedy bitches with NO heart left...we all know those as well, don't we?

But, for some of them, the good ones, I think we are sometimes ignorant of their specific desperate circumstances, ones in which their primary motivation for selling their bodies is for the benefit of someone other than themselves; kids, parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, etc...or with an eye to their futures. They do what they do in preparation for a time after their bodies are no longer marketable, hoping instead to build a life out of poverty using the only asset they believe they have.

Certainly, for some of them, their logic is that they have no other choice, living within a poor economy, limited educational skills, their lowly ethnic class position in life within Mexican society, usually a position that is race based, and no direct fault of their own. I can fully understand their belief that their bodies are their only marketable asset, and their only sure way to a comfortable life. Their strategy for a comfortable life might just be right on the mark, their sole alternative.

So, with those things in mind, I give some of them the benefit of the doubt, believing that their caring and concern is real. In the case of my "G, and apparently in your case, WastedG, with "J," "P," and whichever other ones you determine are sincere, you know what I mean.

QUOTE=Wastedgman]USB: I omitted most of your post and left the parts that I believe you know is the truth.

Last week when I was in MTY, I took my lady "J" from the "O" place, who we are all very happy to know has left the business and is now working. I mean working like you and me to earn a living. No longer servicing men. Anyways, I took her to a nice restaurant where, during our conversation, told me she loved me. I asked 'what?' as if I did not hear, she replied 'TE AMO'. again and again she yelled ' TE AMO' for all to hear.

She gives me the most out of all the girls I know in MTY. If this was my first visit to MTY, I would have fallen head over heals for her and if I was single, I would've married her. She truly gives me a full GFE and even more like a wife. She acts like really loves me. But .... she does not move a single hair in my body ... emotionally. She's very hot and extremely satisfying sexually, but I have no emotions for her.

Look at my "P" girl from the "I" place. My heart goes out to her. I love her so much but only as a lady friend. I am not in love with her. I love her because she is so sweet and always sincere. She asks me to take her out. She will stay all night and all day with me. take me out. I'll do whatever you want. And she does. I take her to the clubs. I have never seem someone make love to the music they way se does. But she never ever shared any emotional notes with me. I see her as the most honest SC girl in MTY. Never lied to me about anything simply because our relationship has never gone beyond her being my escort girl.

X girl? Hot dammm. I think I'm gonna dump her. Bad news. Warning to everyone. Stay away from her.

You said: "But, frankly, to lump our most beloved ladies into the mix does bother me." Well my good friend. True. I believe the girls we (you, Carlos and I) select are surely gentler and kinder. They are the chosen few. We are in agreement that they are the sweeter selection. Just so darn cute. I hope that they all find a better life out there and resist the financial temptation. Nevertheless, they remain, for now, SC girls.

While I was at the "I" place one night, "P" girl left me to go on stage for the lineup. For a minute, I was so sad watching her on stage waiting for a mofo to take her upstairs to f**k her. What the hell? I could not look her in the eye and I walked out. That was the night you and I went to the Casino with Mr. "L" afterwards.

These girls break my heart. I appreciate the opportunity to be nice to them for a night or a day but it kills me to watch them on stage.

One girl that is hitting on Carlos asked him bluntly 'when are you gonna f**k me?' This no different than my sweet "P" girl asking me to take her out all night. Just a different approach.

OK. I'll stop blabbering.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I think you sort of missed a bit of the point in the PM you recieved. You say below that most of the girls are "cold as Ice" because they have chosen to be. . . .

I think the PM, which was not from me, lol was trying to pint out that in many cases these girls do not start off cold. They fall in "love" with guys or gringos that as you say "sweep them off their feet". They make emotional investments and in many cases, and I am not saying yours, the guy doing the sweeping uses the fact that she has fallen for him to get "freebies". If this happens a few times even the sweetest girl will lose "hope" and turn cold and hard core.

There may not be as much difference in your angel and "cold" women as you think. It may just be they are at different "stages" of being a bar girl. She may not have been burned enough times, and if a few years down the road she is a cold and hard core pro your "relationship" will have played a part in that transformation.

Not many women wake up and one day become cold and business like hookers. Many start the job out of desperation but still have the fantasy of meeting a nice guy and eventually having a normal life. Too many crushed fantasies can have a major impact on these girls.

I don't have much experience in mexico, although I will be in monterrey later this year and have been there twice before, but I have a bit of experience with latinas from a few different countries.

I met a girl one night at a bar/casa and while all the chicas were surrounding me for the "hard sell" she just stayed in the back smiling and giggling at the attention I was getting. After things settled down she finally made her way over and we had a few drinks. She was a a beautiful girl from the campo and was new to the game. We hit it off well, and she asked if I wanted to do a salida. I told her I was involved with a novia and things were bad and on a collision course for a break up but since we had not broken up yet, I would not do a salida. We continued chatting and I really enjoyed her company, although chatting in the club was less than ideal. After a few hours, she again asked about a salida and I could tell I had "swept her off her feet". I said I would pay the salida but we would just go out and grab a bite and continue our conversation, no sex. She was shocked and I paid the salida. Unfortunately when she went up stairs to change she fell ill and came down apologizing and got me my money back. She went up to her room and I left.

Fast forward a few months and I am now single and take a buddy to the same place. My buddy was not single and was not really looking to play around but we had a few drinks and the same girl came over excited to see me, hugging and kissing like a school girl etc. After a few drinks we decide to pay the salida for her and her friend to go dancing with us. That way we can have a fun night and my buddy wouldn't be cheating on his girl.

Once at the club and at a normal disco, we had a blast. At one point she leaned in and kissed me and after a very long and passionate kiss pulled back sort of suprised and asked why I kissed her with so much "passion". . .I just shrugged and said that is how I kiss. She smiled and dove in for more. We danced all night and she looked incredible. I was 40+ and she was 22 and had a body that killed.

After we were all good and drunk and the disco was closing we somehow wound up back at my hotel and my buddy was even heading to the room with his chica. His chica knocked on my door for some condoms and I gave her a few and sent her on her way.

Me and my girl had an extreme GFE. All night long, it was like making love to my novia in every way. At one point during the heat of passion she looked into my eyes and said "never leave me". . . .she was dead serious. . . . .freaked me out.

In the morning, more of the same and although the bar that she worked at had a fine to pay if the girls were not back by 11 am, she stayed till 4:30 pm.
She gave me her number and finally left.

I called a few times and she had left the job and moved back to the campo, so we did not see each other for a while. She kept asking me to come to the campo, but I never made it. In the mean time I wound up taking 2 of her ex co workers out on salida over the course of say 6 months. Then I wound up reconciling with my novia. So. . . .the next time I went to that same bar. . . with my same buddy. . . who was now single. . .she was back at work! She came over and was pissed! Yelling at me in front of the whole place for "F#$king other women". . . lol. . .my buddy grabbed a girl and paid a salida and I told this girl I could not do a salida because I was back with my novia. She was steaming.

Later on we did salidas a few times when the novia and I had broken up for good. She was still a good GFE but not even close to before.

Fast Forward about a year. I am reading another board and a poster mentions her, though she was working in a different place. He posted her cell number which was the same and he complained that after the salida she made him stop for food. . . .she ordered shrimp. . . .then they stop for smokes. . . . then he needed to buy condoms as she didn't have any. Back in the room, no GFE and she is out the door in 1.5 hours instead of TLN. This guy was late 20s and a nice guy. . . .

In a short time I was able to watch a sweet and nice incredible GFE turn into hard core pro. I don't think she chose to be cold. . . .I think she learned to be cold. . . .for her own good.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hey Fryer,



As the PM poster suggested, most of the girls that we come in contact with as mongers are "cold" as ice because they have chosen to be. I do NOT seek those types out, but long for the quality of relationship I currently have with my angel girl. They are few and far between because most of them, as the PM poster also pointed out, have protected their vulnerability and switched off their emotions. Angel girl is truly bliss on earth because she is totally open to me.

I have practiced this worldwide, and it aint that hard to sweep them off their feet if they want to be swept off their feet, verdad? This girl liked me initially, and now she loves me because we have spent some really nice quality time together, the kind of quality time she dreams about for herself. I have merely treated her just like I would treat almost any of them if given the opportunity.



But, on the other hand, if she maintains her attachment long term, I will make sure that I nurture her spirit, and that I give her my sincere and committed love when I am in Monterrey. She deserves that, and I would never choose to hurt her. If her's is a long term infatuation, I do not look at that as being bad. I intend to nurture things along so we both enjoy the ride. But, I also am realistic, and I know that with most Mexican bar girls, something always messes it up.[/QUOTE]

Excellent post Partyr. This reply is not for you but I am using your post because it applies more to me, if you don't mind:

Again, I am torn. Let's see .. at the risk of being rude .. there must be .. 50 ways to leave your lover.

Salida with no sex and no money? What a coincident, she got sick --> refund.

Salida with disco, sex and money .. Sold.

I do the same .. take 5 girls to disco, sex and money and live like I own the place.. They always come back for more.

Love? What is that? Love with money? Sure. They ask you to never leave them and come live in MTY.

What I want to say is: Them girls love us so long as we pay. Gold diggers? Absolutely. Lovers? Doubt it.

Was it Tina Turner? "I'm your private dancer, a dancer for money, do what you want me to do"?

Carlos' "D" girl at the "O" wanted to kill him, with my help, because he bought another girl a drink. to her, it is money lost. That should've been her drink.

Partyr's girl "Yelling at me in front of the whole place for "F#$king other women". Again, lost money she thought she was entitled to.

Get the picture? You are a paying customer. (Carlos’ famous words)

My old "D" girl destroyed the club once because I was setting with another girl. I argued that she was servicing other men. She argued that this was her job. How the hell do I argue with that? She ended up handcuffed and spent 3 nights in jail.

Lat week, she gave one mofu the full service upstairs in the booth across from where I was. Then she swears to me that she never does sex upstairs. I answered that I did not have sex either while she watched me butt f**k a girl. We were the only 2 couple upstairs. AND She believed me.

My good friends, your GFE lasts while she is with you. Once she's gone, she is looking for the next John to give another GFE to. Get it through your head.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Prtyr2]I think you sort of missed a bit of the point in the PM you recieved. You say below that most of the girls are "cold as Ice" because they have chosen to be. . . .

I think the PM, which was not from me, lol was trying to pint out that in many cases these girls do not start off cold. They fall in "love" with guys or gringos that as you say "sweep them off their feet". They make emotional investments and in many cases, and I am not saying yours, the guy doing the sweeping uses the fact that she has fallen for him to get "freebies". If this happens a few times even the sweetest girl will lose "hope" and turn cold and hard core.

There may not be as much difference in your angel and "cold" women as you think. It may just be they are at different "stages" of being a bar girl. She may not have been burned enough times, and if a few years down the road she is a cold and hard core pro your "relationship" will have played a part in that transformation.

Not many women wake up and one day become cold and business like hookers. Many start the job out of desperation but still have the fantasy of meeting a nice guy and eventually having a normal life. Too many crushed fantasies can have a major impact on these girls.

I don't have much experience in mexico, although I will be in monterrey later this year and have been there twice before, but I have a bit of experience with latinas from a few different countries.

I met a girl one night at a bar/casa and while all the chicas were surrounding me for the "hard sell" she just stayed in the back smiling and giggling at the attention I was getting. After things settled down she finally made her way over and we had a few drinks. She was a a beautiful girl from the campo and was new to the game. We hit it off well, and she asked if I wanted to do a salida. I told her I was involved with a novia and things were bad and on a collision course for a break up but since we had not broken up yet, I would not do a salida. We continued chatting and I really enjoyed her company, although chatting in the club was less than ideal. After a few hours, she again asked about a salida and I could tell I had "swept her off her feet". I said I would pay the salida but we would just go out and grab a bite and continue our conversation, no sex. She was shocked and I paid the salida. Unfortunately when she went up stairs to change she fell ill and came down apologizing and got me my money back. She went up to her room and I left.

Fast forward a few months and I am now single and take a buddy to the same place. My buddy was not single and was not really looking to play around but we had a few drinks and the same girl came over excited to see me, hugging and kissing like a school girl etc. After a few drinks we decide to pay the salida for her and her friend to go dancing with us. That way we can have a fun night and my buddy wouldn't be cheating on his girl.

Once at the club and at a normal disco, we had a blast. At one point she leaned in and kissed me and after a very long and passionate kiss pulled back sort of suprised and asked why I kissed her with so much "passion". . .I just shrugged and said that is how I kiss. She smiled and dove in for more. We danced all night and she looked incredible. I was 40+ and she was 22 and had a body that killed.

After we were all good and drunk and the disco was closing we somehow wound up back at my hotel and my buddy was even heading to the room with his chica. His chica knocked on my door for some condoms and I gave her a few and sent her on her way.

Me and my girl had an extreme GFE. All night long, it was like making love to my novia in every way. At one point during the heat of passion she looked into my eyes and said "never leave me". . . .she was dead serious. . . . .freaked me out.

In the morning, more of the same and although the bar that she worked at had a fine to pay if the girls were not back by 11 am, she stayed till 4:30 pm.
She gave me her number and finally left.

I called a few times and she had left the job and moved back to the campo, so we did not see each other for a while. She kept asking me to come to the campo, but I never made it. In the mean time I wound up taking 2 of her ex co workers out on salida over the course of say 6 months. Then I wound up reconciling with my novia. So. . . .the next time I went to that same bar. . . with my same buddy. . . who was now single. . .she was back at work! She came over and was pissed! Yelling at me in front of the whole place for "F#$king other women". . . lol. . .my buddy grabbed a girl and paid a salida and I told this girl I could not do a salida because I was back with my novia. She was steaming.

Later on we did salidas a few times when the novia and I had broken up for good. She was still a good GFE but not even close to before.

Fast Forward about a year. I am reading another board and a poster mentions her, though she was working in a different place. He posted her cell number which was the same and he complained that after the salida she made him stop for food. . . .she ordered shrimp. . . .then they stop for smokes. . . . then he needed to buy condoms as she didn't have any. Back in the room, no GFE and she is out the door in 1.5 hours instead of TLN. This guy was late 20s and a nice guy. . . .

In a short time I was able to watch a sweet and nice incredible GFE turn into hard core pro. I don't think she chose to be cold. . . .I think she learned to be cold. . . .for her own good.[/QUOTE]

With the exception that Prtyr2 he doesn't live here like I do (and that I do not take the girls out) this guy has lived one of the several examples of things that have happened to me at the clubs.
1. My D girl at the O place. I though she was gone for sure, suddenly she pops up and goes ballistic cause she now knows I have been seeing a "substitute".
2. Just this Friday, and this is a pointer for Prtyr2, one of my girls at the I place, while getting mauled by me at the privados said "I f***g like you". I never pay attention to those words. It's just rambling by the girls Prtyr2. their emotional center just kicks in and they say the first words that come in mind. They might mean it, but then again, they are pros and business comes back to mind, like the girl that was angry with you after her abscence. They think you are their property, which is not true.




[QUOTE=Prtyr2]I think you sort of missed a bit of the point in the PM you recieved. You say below that most of the girls are "cold as Ice" because they have chosen to be. . . .

I think the PM, which was not from me, lol was trying to pint out that in many cases these girls do not start off cold. They fall in "love" with guys or gringos that as you say "sweep them off their feet". They make emotional investments and in many cases, and I am not saying yours, the guy doing the sweeping uses the fact that she has fallen for him to get "freebies". If this happens a few times even the sweetest girl will lose "hope" and turn cold and hard core.

There may not be as much difference in your angel and "cold" women as you think. It may just be they are at different "stages" of being a bar girl. She may not have been burned enough times, and if a few years down the road she is a cold and hard core pro your "relationship" will have played a part in that transformation.

Not many women wake up and one day become cold and business like hookers. Many start the job out of desperation but still have the fantasy of meeting a nice guy and eventually having a normal life. Too many crushed fantasies can have a major impact on these girls.

I don't have much experience in mexico, although I will be in monterrey later this year and have been there twice before, but I have a bit of experience with latinas from a few different countries.

I met a girl one night at a bar/casa and while all the chicas were surrounding me for the "hard sell" she just stayed in the back smiling and giggling at the attention I was getting. After things settled down she finally made her way over and we had a few drinks. She was a a beautiful girl from the campo and was new to the game. We hit it off well, and she asked if I wanted to do a salida. I told her I was involved with a novia and things were bad and on a collision course for a break up but since we had not broken up yet, I would not do a salida. We continued chatting and I really enjoyed her company, although chatting in the club was less than ideal. After a few hours, she again asked about a salida and I could tell I had "swept her off her feet". I said I would pay the salida but we would just go out and grab a bite and continue our conversation, no sex. She was shocked and I paid the salida. Unfortunately when she went up stairs to change she fell ill and came down apologizing and got me my money back. She went up to her room and I left.

Fast forward a few months and I am now single and take a buddy to the same place. My buddy was not single and was not really looking to play around but we had a few drinks and the same girl came over excited to see me, hugging and kissing like a school girl etc. After a few drinks we decide to pay the salida for her and her friend to go dancing with us. That way we can have a fun night and my buddy wouldn't be cheating on his girl.

Once at the club and at a normal disco, we had a blast. At one point she leaned in and kissed me and after a very long and passionate kiss pulled back sort of suprised and asked why I kissed her with so much "passion". . .I just shrugged and said that is how I kiss. She smiled and dove in for more. We danced all night and she looked incredible. I was 40+ and she was 22 and had a body that killed.

After we were all good and drunk and the disco was closing we somehow wound up back at my hotel and my buddy was even heading to the room with his chica. His chica knocked on my door for some condoms and I gave her a few and sent her on her way.

Me and my girl had an extreme GFE. All night long, it was like making love to my novia in every way. At one point during the heat of passion she looked into my eyes and said "never leave me". . . .she was dead serious. . . . .freaked me out.

In the morning, more of the same and although the bar that she worked at had a fine to pay if the girls were not back by 11 am, she stayed till 4:30 pm.
She gave me her number and finally left.

I called a few times and she had left the job and moved back to the campo, so we did not see each other for a while. She kept asking me to come to the campo, but I never made it. In the mean time I wound up taking 2 of her ex co workers out on salida over the course of say 6 months. Then I wound up reconciling with my novia. So. . . .the next time I went to that same bar. . . with my same buddy. . . who was now single. . .she was back at work! She came over and was pissed! Yelling at me in front of the whole place for "F#$king other women". . . lol. . .my buddy grabbed a girl and paid a salida and I told this girl I could not do a salida because I was back with my novia. She was steaming.

Later on we did salidas a few times when the novia and I had broken up for good. She was still a good GFE but not even close to before.

Fast Forward about a year. I am reading another board and a poster mentions her, though she was working in a different place. He posted her cell number which was the same and he complained that after the salida she made him stop for food. . . .she ordered shrimp. . . .then they stop for smokes. . . . then he needed to buy condoms as she didn't have any. Back in the room, no GFE and she is out the door in 1.5 hours instead of TLN. This guy was late 20s and a nice guy. . . .

In a short time I was able to watch a sweet and nice incredible GFE turn into hard core pro. I don't think she chose to be cold. . . .I think she learned to be cold. . . .for her own good.[/QUOTE]

This is a response to the thoughtful and wise posts left by Prtyr2, Carlos, and WastedG...I appreciate all of your comments, and I agree with your individual assessments of my circumstances. However, your assessments of the true circumstances that exist now are not, in themselves, going to alter the ultimate effects on any bar girl working in Monterrey.

In the case of my own "G" girl for example, if her character and personality are not strong enough to cancel out the effects of her profession on her psyche, then she will learn to be cold whether I see her or not, whether I treat her nicely, with care and concern, or whether I treat her like crap.

She will develop into whatever she becomes whether she sees me or not because "she" has choosen that lifestyle. The responsibility is hers. I have, of course, encouraged her to leave that lifestyle because I care about my friend, and the damaging effects of that profession on most girls. But, the ultimate decision is hers. She claims that she has herself together, and that she is unchanged in two years. Frankly, she does strike me as a girl with a very strong personality, and I would not doubt that she will be able to prevail. Some are quite good at prevailing well, even through all the demands of their profession. Take the "R" Girl at the "I" place. She seems virtually unchanged over the course of many years. Of course, it could all be a charade on her part, and she might be ready to kill herself in reality, but I think not.

But, here is the bottom line...and frankly, I think my perspective is pretty hard core...I don't mean to sound insensitive to "G's" feelings, because I am not. But ultimately this IS the bottom line for her, and any other girl I come in contact with, especially now when funds are tight...

I visit Monterrey, incurring huge travel expenses, for the priveledge of seeing HOT girls. But, more importantly, I seek HOT girls that are also nice, sexy, friendly, sincerely affectionate, providing GFE encounters, etc...If they are not going to be available to me due to my own altruistic prohibition over what a bar girl might suddenly morph into, then there is no reason for me to continue visiting MTY. I can go to Colombia, the PI, Thailand, Indonesia, and countless other venues where GFE is readily available, and where the girls do not get paid if the GFE is not adequately delivered. I have had numerous GFE's all over the world, many of which have resulted in the same levels of emotion I am experiencing now in Monterrey with my girl. But, if all I can expect is ice cold, clinically delivered, routinely boring, encounters, then what is my motivation for returning to MTY. I choose instead to visit MTY, and to simply treat the girls well in anticipation of having them enjoy their time with me, ultimately resulting some of the time in GFE...that's it.

When I hear about the effects that their profession may or may not have on the typical bar girl, and I contemplate my own involvement in their potential demise, I regret being a party to their ultimate fate. I am certainly melancholy over being a participant in their eventual decline. But, how is my self imposed prohibition of GFE going to "save" them. They are not going to stop going on salidas, servicing men in the privados, stripping in the bars, etc...They are not going to stop longing for emotionally satisfying relationships. The way I see it, they are getting some level of fulfillment in an area of their lives that, according to them, is otherwise totally void of emotional caring and concern from a nice guy. Is it better that they get nothing out of it?

I am not the only man she will ever be exposed to...far from it. Initially, when she first started in the business, I paid her salida, and we had a satisfactory session. Over the course of many months, we have become friends, void of any physical contact too I might add. I am her friend, and now, apparently I am more to her. But, I can't change that. She feels the way she feels, just as I feel the way I feel.

As it stands now, she is apparently enjoying the ride. I treat her like I would treat any of the girls I take on salida. She likes our friendship, she likes to have fun with me, and she wants to spend time with me on her day off. She makes logistically difficult arrangements to be with me for long periods of time, arrangements that conflict with her job, family life, etc...sometimes 12-15 hours as a time, after work, days off, etc...

We have fun together in public, as friends, and while there is a strong measure of affection between us, I am always mindful to be quite controlled in public. She is mindful of society's taboos, and she attempts to be controlled with me in public, but the depth of her affections are something more than she can control in public, and she forgets who we are together, the gringo and the bar girl. She is a very affectionate and loving girl. It is something I can NOT give up, and the depth of her sincerity in those moments has NOTHING whatsoever to do with sex.

In private, the sex is great. From her own lips, the sex is great because there is a strong attraction, and she can detect a sincerity of affection, passion, and emotion between us that she does not find elsewhere. She tells me that seeing me is something she waits for, something she anticipates each month as almost some kind of desperate relief from the effects of her everyday lifestyle. Who knows if all that stuff is true. I think it's true, but who knows? I listen to it, and I figure that if it is true, it will probably not last very long. Frankly, I expect things to start cooling off sooner than later. But, her words to me are very, very, convincingly delivered, and at this juncture, I believe her. I don't know that I am always going to believe her, or that her emotional committment will endure...I doubt it.

So, if her words are true, then she gets something out of our seeing each other or she would call a halt to it. I can only see her for a short time, maybe once or twice a week each month, and then we are apart for quite a long time before I return. She tells me that she really looks forward to my coming back because she feels like I am an intimate, understanding, friend, with priveledges. She wants me in her life, and she wants to be there with me, wherever I am. It nourishes her in some way, just as it does me. She calls me her novio, and even, lately, she tells me that I occupy her thoughts like an esposo...HOW SWEET, VERDAD? But, the bottom line is...she gets something out of it, just as I do. She gets whatever emotional nurturing she desires and needs, plus whatever money I feel obligated to pay her, money that she does not request, but money that I give her because she is in "the business," and I choose to keep the legitimacy of our relationship in that realm. Of course, there are days that she does not charge me, such as her day off. But, those are days in which she has offered to come at no charge because she wants to enjoy her day off with me. On those days, I've told her that she does not have to have sex with me. Fortunately for me, on those days, she initiates sex, whether I want it or not.

I have explained in definite terms, regardless of my feelings for her, that I am not available to move to MTY, that I will never be her esposo, that I am not available to be a regular novio, not for anything long term, and that we are friends, with priveledges...that's it. I have encouraged her to find a legitimate novio, at the risk of my own sadness over possibly not being able to spend time with her anymore. I am her friend, afterall, and I sincerely hope she gets out of the business, finds a younger man to settled down with, and has a happy and healthy life. I voice my best wishes directly to her, advising her in direct contrast to my own fulfillment, and at my own ultimate expense, the loss of a really HOT, but more importantly, sincerely affectionate, girlfriend.

With respect to Carlos' comment "They think you are their property, which is not true,"

I agree with you 100%. Watch how quickly I find another girlfriend if and when "G" does not deliver the GFE. But, that having been said, I will not cultivate other relationships within the "I" place, not unless "G" fails in her responsibilities. That doesn't mean that I wish ill will on any of my present or former girlfriends, quite the contrary. They are all special to me, even Angry Girl, even in spite of her conceited attitude.

No...what I have concluded is that there are simply too many other bars in Monterrey where I can look for other girlfriends without risking the GFE I already have established in the "I" place with "G." Frankly, I believe I should have handled the "Angry Girl" situation differently as well, and I will not make the same mistake twice by playing girls against each other in the same bar. Had I handled the Angry Girl scenario differently, I would have actually possibly had two GFE candidates in the "I" place instead of the single option in the "G" girl.





[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]With the exception that Prtyr2 he doesn't live here like I do (and that I do not take the girls out) this guy has lived one of the several examples of things that have happened to me at the clubs.
1. My D girl at the O place. I though she was gone for sure, suddenly she pops up and goes ballistic cause she now knows I have been seeing a "substitute".
2. Just this Friday, and this is a pointer for Prtyr2, one of my girls at the I place, while getting mauled by me at the privados said "I f***g like you". I never pay attention to those words. It's just rambling by the girls Prtyr2. their emotional center just kicks in and they say the first words that come in mind. They might mean it, but then again, they are pros and business comes back to mind, like the girl that was angry with you after her abscence. They think you are their property, which is not true.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm. . .I may not have been clear enough:

1- the salida at said establishment is not really a salida but you pay up front for the chica. The house gets half and the girl gets half, so she would have made money for NOT having sex.

2- salida with sex and disco and money. . .yeah of course she was sold. She also had to pay a fine for going back late. Basically half of what she made. I did not know this at the time, but learned of the house rules shortly there after.

3-I am not jaded enough not to believe in love. I am also not naive enough to attempt a relationship with a hooker. Friendship. . .sure. . . anything more. . . nope.

I have been around the block more than a few times and can tell when I am being sold a bill of goods. . . .which is most of the time. . . .lol.. . .

My point is NO chica wakes up one day as a hardcore hooker that has given up on love. It is a gradual process. In the beginning many would gladly settle down with a guy that treats them right etc.

In many latin countries a poor girl gets knocked up by some guy. Once she has a kid, he ditches her and most of the "good catches" in her country. . . . .of which there are few. . . .will have NOTHING to do with another man's child. Some of these girls buy into the fantasy at first just as many newbies here do. . . . .with more time in the biz they harden and newbies get smarter. . . it's just the way it is. . .

There are plenty of women in the same situation that don't get in the business and make great novias and wives. I could never deal with all the baggage of trying anything long term with a working girl, but I have seen guys try it and succeed.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Excellent post Partyr. This reply is not for you but I am using your post because it applies more to me, if you don't mind:

Again, I am torn. Let's see .. at the risk of being rude .. there must be .. 50 ways to leave your lover.

Salida with no sex and no money? What a coincident, she got sick --> refund.

Salida with disco, sex and money .. Sold.

I do the same .. take 5 girls to disco, sex and money and live like I own the place.. They always come back for more.

Love? What is that? Love with money? Sure. They ask you to never leave them and come live in MTY.

What I want to say is: Them girls love us so long as we pay. Gold diggers? Absolutely. Lovers? Doubt it.

Was it Tina Turner? "I'm your private dancer, a dancer for money, do what you want me to do"?

Carlos' "D" girl at the "O" wanted to kill him, with my help, because he bought another girl a drink. to her, it is money lost. That should've been her drink.

Partyr's girl "Yelling at me in front of the whole place for "F#$king other women". Again, lost money she thought she was entitled to.

Get the picture? You are a paying customer. (Carlos’ famous words)

My old "D" girl destroyed the club once because I was setting with another girl. I argued that she was servicing other men. She argued that this was her job. How the hell do I argue with that? She ended up handcuffed and spent 3 nights in jail.

Lat week, she gave one mofu the full service upstairs in the booth across from where I was. Then she swears to me that she never does sex upstairs. I answered that I did not have sex either while she watched me butt f**k a girl. We were the only 2 couple upstairs. AND She believed me.

My good friends, your GFE lasts while she is with you. Once she's gone, she is looking for the next John to give another GFE to. Get it through your head.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I agree that there is little you can do to stop the chain of events. Just be aware of them which you appear to be. I was just making a point that not many chicas wake up one day as a hard core *****. . . . I have seen the progression with many a girl. . . . . and I totally understand it.

OTOH. . . .I have seen some non pros, get burned by guys that playe them and lead them on. . . . .getting "freebies" with no intention of anything long term. At first the girl clings to the "dream" of meeting a genuinely nice guy that may be an option for the future. . . .but if she gets played too often. . . they start to "accept" gifts as a way to hedge their bets against feeling played and used. . . . .from there it is just a matter of time till they are hard core hookers as well.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]This is a response to the thoughtful and wise posts left by Prtyr2, Carlos, and WastedG...I appreciate all of your comments, and I agree with your individual assessments of my circumstances. However, your assessments of the true circumstances that exist now are not, in themselves, going to alter the ultimate effects on any bar girl working in Monterrey.

In the case of my own "G" girl for example, if her character and personality are not strong enough to cancel out the effects of her profession on her psyche, then she will learn to be cold whether I see her or not, whether I treat her nicely, with care and concern, or whether I treat her like crap.

She will develop into whatever she becomes whether she sees me or not because "she" has choosen that lifestyle. The responsibility is hers. I have, of course, encouraged her to leave that lifestyle because I care about my friend, and the damaging effects of that profession on most girls. But, the ultimate decision is hers. She claims that she has herself together, and that she is unchanged in two years. Frankly, she does strike me as a girl with a very strong personality, and I would not doubt that she will be able to prevail. Some are quite good at prevailing well, even through all the demands of their profession. Take the "R" Girl at the "I" place. She seems virtually unchanged over the course of many years. Of course, it could all be a charade on her part, and she might be ready to kill herself in reality, but I think not.

But, here is the bottom line...and frankly, I think my perspective is pretty hard core...I don't mean to sound insensitive to "G's" feelings, because I am not. But ultimately this IS the bottom line for her, and any other girl I come in contact with, especially now when funds are tight...

I visit Monterrey, incurring huge travel expenses, for the priveledge of seeing HOT girls. But, more importantly, I seek HOT girls that are also nice, sexy, friendly, sincerely affectionate, providing GFE encounters, etc...If they are not going to be available to me due to my own altruistic prohibition over what a bar girl might suddenly morph into, then there is no reason for me to continue visiting MTY. I can go to Colombia, the PI, Thailand, Indonesia, and countless other venues where GFE is readily available, and where the girls do not get paid if the GFE is not adequately delivered. I have had numerous GFE's all over the world, many of which have resulted in the same levels of emotion I am experiencing now in Monterrey with my girl. But, if all I can expect is ice cold, clinically delivered, routinely boring, encounters, then what is my motivation for returning to MTY. I choose instead to visit MTY, and to simply treat the girls well in anticipation of having them enjoy their time with me, ultimately resulting some of the time in GFE...that's it.

When I hear about the effects that their profession may or may not have on the typical bar girl, and I contemplate my own involvement in their potential demise, I regret being a party to their ultimate fate. I am certainly melancholy over being a participant in their eventual decline. But, how is my self imposed prohibition of GFE going to "save" them. They are not going to stop going on salidas, servicing men in the privados, stripping in the bars, etc...They are not going to stop longing for emotionally satisfying relationships. The way I see it, they are getting some level of fulfillment in an area of their lives that, according to them, is otherwise totally void of emotional caring and concern from a nice guy. Is it better that they get nothing out of it?

I am not the only man she will ever be exposed to...far from it. Initially, when she first started in the business, I paid her salida, and we had a satisfactory session. Over the course of many months, we have become friends, void of any physical contact too I might add. I am her friend, and now, apparently I am more to her. But, I can't change that. She feels the way she feels, just as I feel the way I feel.

As it stands now, she is apparently enjoying the ride. I treat her like I would treat any of the girls I take on salida. She likes our friendship, she likes to have fun with me, and she wants to spend time with me on her day off. She makes logistically difficult arrangements to be with me for long periods of time, arrangements that conflict with her job, family life, etc...sometimes 12-15 hours as a time, after work, days off, etc...

We have fun together in public, as friends, and while there is a strong measure of affection between us, I am always mindful to be quite controlled in public. She is mindful of society's taboos, and she attempts to be controlled with me in public, but the depth of her affections are something more than she can control in public, and she forgets who we are together, the gringo and the bar girl. She is a very affectionate and loving girl. It is something I can NOT give up, and the depth of her sincerity in those moments has NOTHING whatsoever to do with sex.

In private, the sex is great. From her own lips, the sex is great because there is a strong attraction, and she can detect a sincerity of affection, passion, and emotion between us that she does not find elsewhere. She tells me that seeing me is something she waits for, something she anticipates each month as almost some kind of desperate relief from the effects of her everyday lifestyle. Who knows if all that stuff is true. I think it's true, but who knows? I listen to it, and I figure that if it is true, it will probably not last very long. Frankly, I expect things to start cooling off sooner than later. But, her words to me are very, very, convincingly delivered, and at this juncture, I believe her. I don't know that I am always going to believe her, or that her emotional committment will endure...I doubt it.

So, if her words are true, then she gets something out of our seeing each other or she would call a halt to it. I can only see her for a short time, maybe once or twice a week each month, and then we are apart for quite a long time before I return. She tells me that she really looks forward to my coming back because she feels like I am an intimate, understanding, friend, with priveledges. She wants me in her life, and she wants to be there with me, wherever I am. It nourishes her in some way, just as it does me. She calls me her novio, and even, lately, she tells me that I occupy her thoughts like an esposo...HOW SWEET, VERDAD? But, the bottom line is...she gets something out of it, just as I do. She gets whatever emotional nurturing she desires and needs, plus whatever money I feel obligated to pay her, money that she does not request, but money that I give her because she is in "the business," and I choose to keep the legitimacy of our relationship in that realm. Of course, there are days that she does not charge me, such as her day off. But, those are days in which she has offered to come at no charge because she wants to enjoy her day off with me. On those days, I've told her that she does not have to have sex with me. Fortunately for me, on those days, she initiates sex, whether I want it or not.

I have explained in definite terms, regardless of my feelings for her, that I am not available to move to MTY, that I will never be her esposo, that I am not available to be a regular novio, not for anything long term, and that we are friends, with priveledges...that's it. I have encouraged her to find a legitimate novio, at the risk of my own sadness over possibly not being able to spend time with her anymore. I am her friend, afterall, and I sincerely hope she gets out of the business, finds a younger man to settled down with, and has a happy and healthy life. I voice my best wishes directly to her, advising her in direct contrast to my own fulfillment, and at my own ultimate expense, the loss of are really HOT, affectionate, seemingly sincere girlfriend.

With respect to Carlos' comment "They think you are their property, which is not true,"

I agree with you 100%. Watch how quickly I find another girlfriend if and when "G" does not deliver the GFE. But, that having been said, I will not cultivate other relationships within the "I" place, not unless "G" fails in her responsibilities. That doesn't mean that I wish ill will on any of my present or former girlfriends, quite the contrary. They are all special to me, even Angry Girl, even in spite of her conceited attitude.

No...what I have concluded is that there are simply too many other bars in Monterrey where I can look for other girlfriends without risking the GFE I already have established in the "I" place with "G." Frankly, I believe I should have handled the "Angry Girl" situation differently as well, and I will not make the same mistake twice by playing girls against each other in the same bar. Had I handled the Angry Girl scenario differently, I would have actually possibly had two GFE candidates in the "I" place instead of the single option in the "G" girl.[/QUOTE]

I don't live in Mexico but have lived in the Dominican republic on and off for a few years. So I have been around the block many times.I have had tons of girls say whatever popped into her head and what she may think I wanted to hear etc. In the case I mentioned. . . .do to the timing of the comment and the look in her eyes. . . . I would bet my life she was serious. . . .and that was NOT what I wanted to hear;-)

Now to steer this back to Monterrey. . . . since you live there and know the city. What places do you recommend to just hang out and have a few drinks and maybe flirt with non working girls? I am not going there for a mongering vacation so there is no real pressure to get laid etc. . . .I enjoy getting to know new cities and people etc. . . .if I get lucky. . . .so be it! If not. . . .no biggy.



[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]With the exception that Prtyr2 he doesn't live here like I do (and that I do not take the girls out) this guy has lived one of the several examples of things that have happened to me at the clubs.
1. My D girl at the O place. I though she was gone for sure, suddenly she pops up and goes ballistic cause she now knows I have been seeing a "substitute".
2. Just this Friday, and this is a pointer for Prtyr2, one of my girls at the I place, while getting mauled by me at the privados said "I f***g like you". I never pay attention to those words. It's just rambling by the girls Prtyr2. their emotional center just kicks in and they say the first words that come in mind. They might mean it, but then again, they are pros and business comes back to mind, like the girl that was angry with you after her abscence. They think you are their property, which is not true.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your conclusions completely my friend. No disagreement here.

With respect to the circumstance where the girls are "hoping" for the romance, affection, caring, concern, love, etc...that's missing in their lives...my girl is in that same stage of life.

She would love to find a nice novio, eventually marry him, stop working in the bar, raise her son within a loving family, and ultimately live a relatively simply, but happy life.

That is my only regret, seeing my friend pine away for a normal, loving, relationship, and also knowing that I can not provide it for her. She knows I can't provide it, and that I specifically do not promise it. I can sometimes tell that my mere presence serves to remind her of what is missing. She apparently sees in our encounters, the root of her desires in life. That is what hurts me the most. Que Lastima, Verdad?

[QUOTE=Prtyr2]I agree that there is little you can do to stop the chain of events. Just be aware of them which you appear to be. I was just making a point that not many chicas wake up one day as a hard core *****. . . . I have seen the progression with many a girl. . . . . and I totally understand it.

OTOH. . . .I have seen some non pros, get burned by guys that playe them and lead them on. . . . .getting "freebies" with no intention of anything long term. At first the girl clings to the "dream" of meeting a genuinely nice guy that may be an option for the future. . . .but if she gets played too often. . . they start to "accept" gifts as a way to hedge their bets against feeling played and used. . . . .from there it is just a matter of time till they are hard core hookers as well.[/QUOTE]

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With respect to the circumstance where the girls are "hoping" for the romance, affection, caring, concern, love, etc...that's missing in their lives...my girl is in that same stage of life.

She would love to find a nice novio, eventually marry him, stop working in the bar, raise her son within a loving family, and ultimately live a relatively simply, but happy life.

That is my only regret, seeing my friend pine away for a normal, loving, relationship, and also knowing that I can not provide it for her. She knows I can't provide it, and that I specifically do not promise it. I can sometimes tell that my mere presence serves to remind her of what is missing. She apparently sees in our encounters, the root of her desires in life. That is what hurts me the most. Que Lastima, Verdad?[/QUOTE]

you guys are breaking my heart.

in my next trip to mty, i'm gonna take my "p" girl , no, not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], it's "p" girl. i'm gonna take her out to a dinner and a movie after we go shopping, and maybe buy her another gift that will get my "s" girl furious, again, carlos, remember? i will also buy her a couple of bags of groceries for her mom and kids. she always saves the airline cookies i bring to give to her mom.

but what good will that do? she will have fun for a day. live the life of a true girlfriend with a man who 'can' provide and then i'm gone.

my "s" girl has a boyfriend. i asked her if he knows that she works at the "i". she said yes but he does not know she goes out with me. she sticks her head out the door and looks both directions before she exists and always insists on getting out of the taxi a block before the club and will walk back alone fearing her boyfriend might be around.

well heck, she is cheating on her boyfriend who knows she services men in a sc. go figure.

i already spend entire days with my lady "j" on weekends. we go around like a married couple always holding hands. she hugs me and kisses me while we wait for the green light. and believe it or not, my "x" girl, who is 18, does the same thing. i keep telling myself that people will think she is my grandchild. i tell her that i am her grandpa and she is my niña grande.

another girl, my lovely "m" from the "el c" place walks to my hotel and always tells me that there is no need to walk her back. sounding sincere, but the truth is, i see her looking far out as if she's worried someone might be stalking her. i still walk far behind her to make sure she's ok until she enters the club. if you see her, you'd understand how tempting she would be for an idiot to attack her. she is beautiful beyond description.

and finally, my ultimate mty queen, the one i conquered mty with, the one i would give up all the girls for, refuses for me to walk her even down to the hotel lobby fearing the hotel staff might think we are, in her own word, f**king. she claims she has never ever been in a hotel before in her life. why do i beleive her?

the first time lady "j" came to my hotel, she called me from downstairs telling me they would not allow her to come up. it turned out she walked into the bank next door asking to see mr. ####. they would not let her go upstairs becasue .. well... the bank does not have a guest staying there called mr. #####. not to mention the fact that it is a single story bank.

wasted.


[quote=unospongebob]i agree with your conclusions completely my friend. no disagreement here.

with respect to the circumstance where the girls are "hoping" for the romance, affection, caring, concern, love, etc...that's missing in their lives...my girl is in that same stage of life.

she would love to find a nice novio, eventually marry him, stop working in the bar, raise her son within a loving family, and ultimately live a relatively simply, but happy life.

that is my only regret, seeing my friend pine away for a normal, loving, relationship, and also knowing that i can not provide it for her. she knows i can't provide it, and that i specifically do not promise it. i can sometimes tell that my mere presence serves to remind her of what is missing. she apparently sees in our encounters, the root of her desires in life. that is what hurts me the most. que lastima, verdad?[/quote]

Places in Mty to get nonworking girls...
Well first of all if you are in the 20-30 age range (tops 35) you can go to the Barrio Antiguo. Thursday to Saturday it is a place that rocks with discos and bars.
If you are over 35, the lobby bar at the Crowne Plaza will be tha place to go on weekends.


[QUOTE=Prtyr2]I don't live in Mexico but have lived in the Dominican republic on and off for a few years. So I have been around the block many times.I have had tons of girls say whatever popped into her head and what she may think I wanted to hear etc. In the case I mentioned. . . .do to the timing of the comment and the look in her eyes. . . . I would bet my life she was serious. . . .and that was NOT what I wanted to hear;-)

Now to steer this back to Monterrey. . . . since you live there and know the city. What places do you recommend to just hang out and have a few drinks and maybe flirt with non working girls? I am not going there for a mongering vacation so there is no real pressure to get laid etc. . . .I enjoy getting to know new cities and people etc. . . .if I get lucky. . . .so be it! If not. . . .no biggy.[/QUOTE]

hi bigjohn...i won't be there again until february 24th. sorry i'll miss you. i wish i had that same airfare from the midwestern us to mty. damn...that hurts!!! have fun!!!

wastedg,

most take my comments much too seriously. your comments illustrate what i go through on a fairly frequent basis with the girls.

imho, their hearts are hungry. something is lacking, emotionally, for so many of these girls. i can sense it, many are starved for affection and caring. i don't know if it's related to the types of girls we are exposed to, the girls that work the bars versus the "regular" non-pros out there. but, it is a wide spread, common, occurrence with these bar girls.

my problem is, i just can't help but feel sorry for them. i realize that they have so much affection to give, and i sense that their need is so great that i just can't help by console them. i just want to give them a little sincere kindness and appreciation. my attentions are totally and completely sincere.

so, i like to pamper them, taking them to a movie, dinner, just walking with them in the mall, talking to them...just simple things. i do it not out of my having alterior motives, not to play head games with them, or get freebies, or screw them up psychologically, not out of some warped sense of control, not anything like that, but just to show them i really sincerely appreciate being around them. for that, i am often the object of their emotional affections...just because i treated them nicely, gave them some sincere, usually non-sexual attention, listened to them, etc...

and, you know as well as i, on occassion, they project onto us all their hopes and dreams, usually knowing full well that we are simply a pleasant distraction, just smoke and mirrors, something outside their ordinary realm of experience. it sometimes takes them a while to finally figure it out so they can adjust their emotions and move on.

i don't mean for things to progress to that point, but sometimes it just does, and by the time it does, things have already progressed too far to turn back without hurting their feelings. there is a way to handle it without hurting them if things progress too far, but it requires adequate time for things to cool off. everyone just has to have patience. it will all eventually normalize naturally.

none of this has any lasting reality...we know it...they know it...we are all just engaging in a little emotional, sexual, and affectionate infatuation, nothing more.


[quote=wastedgman]you guys are breaking my heart.

in my next trip to mty, i'm gonna take my "p" girl , no, not [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], it's "p" girl. i'm gonna take her out to a dinner and a movie after we go shopping, and maybe buy her another gift that will get my "s" girl furious, again, carlos, remember? i will also buy her a couple of bags of groceries for her mom and kids. she always saves the airline cookies i bring to give to her mom.

but what good will that do? she will have fun for a day. live the life of a true girlfriend with a man who 'can' provide and then i'm gone.

my "s" girl has a boyfriend. i asked her if he knows that she works at the "i". she said yes but he does not know she goes out with me. she sticks her head out the door and looks both directions before she exists and always insists on getting out of the taxi a block before the club and will walk back alone fearing her boyfriend might be around.

well heck, she is cheating on her boyfriend who knows she services men in a sc. go figure.

i already spend entire days with my lady "j" on weekends. we go around like a married couple always holding hands. she hugs me and kisses me while we wait for the green light. and believe it or not, my "x" girl, who is 18, does the same thing. i keep telling myself that people will think she is my grandchild. i tell her that i am her grandpa and she is my niña grande.

another girl, my lovely "m" from the "el c" place walks to my hotel and always tells me that there is no need to walk her back. sounding sincere, but the truth is, i see her looking far out as if she's worried someone might be stalking her. i still walk far behind her to make sure she's ok until she enters the club. if you see her, you'd understand how tempting she would be for an idiot to attack her. she is beautiful beyond description.

and finally, my ultimate mty queen, the one i conquered mty with, the one i would give up all the girls for, refuses for me to walk her even down to the hotel lobby fearing the hotel staff might think we are, in her own word, f**king. she claims she has never ever been in a hotel before in her life. why do i beleive her?

the first time lady "j" came to my hotel, she called me from downstairs telling me they would not allow her to come up. it turned out she walked into the bank next door asking to see mr. ####. they would not let her go upstairs becasue .. well... the bank does not have a guest staying there called mr. #####. not to mention the fact that it is a single story bank.

wasted.[/quote]

Hey.... :-) maybe WastedG and me should try our shinnanigans in the Bario on some non-working girls on this next trip. In the past, I would never have tried it. But, my Spanish is getting cuter by the minute. Maybe a mature, but loveable, Gringo would have a shot at a 30 something mujer. I wonder???

Of course, WastedG would not be able to grope them, or slap them hard on the exposed ass in order to get their attention. Obviously, we would have to figure out some other, more subtle, less obvious, strategies Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Places in Mty to get nonworking girls...
Well first of all if you are in the 20-30 age range (tops 35) you can go to the Barrio Antiguo. Thursday to Saturday it is a place that rocks with discos and bars.
If you are over 35, the lobby bar at the Crowne Plaza will be tha place to go on weekends.[/QUOTE]

Funny you should think that if you end your affair, you are hurting their feelings. I still have good relation with 'all' the girls I loved before. one of them, "S" girl, smacks me on the back of my head as she passes behind me, but still gives me a hug and a kiss and sometimes drags me upstairs only to remind me of how hot she is. shoot. I miss taking her out. Too bad she has an 11 pm curfew.

Even my Dreadful "D" girl whom I thought would tear the house down, again, has accepted her place and sets with me for a few drinks. I give her a sincere hug and embrace her tight even if I am with any of the other girls. I make it clear to all the girl that "once a friend, always a friend'. This also sends them the message that they too will always be my beloved friends at the least.

Why would you 'end' the relationship? Do what I do. If you find another girl you like, invite her for a drink with your girl as well. Take them both up or out. Then alternate. Simple. I had "X" and "MTY trophy" in my room twice. Both love me and both are to die for. Or in "X" girl case, might die with. I think she will drag me down if I am not careful.

Wasted


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hi BigJohn...I won't be there again until February 24th. Sorry I'll miss you. I wish I had that same airfare from the Midwestern US to MTY. Damn...that hurts!!! Have fun!!!

WastedG,

Most take my comments much too seriously, and I happen to think that in your most recent comments you illustrated my point even further...

IMHO, their hearts are already breaking in their daily lives. I can sense it, many are starved for affection and caring. It is a wide spread, common, occurrence with these girls. My problem is, I just can't help but feel sorry for them. I realize that they have so much affection to give, and I sense that their need is so great that I just can't help by console them. I just want to give them a little sincere kindness and appreciation. My attentions are totally and completely sincere.

So, I pamper them, taking them to a movie, dinner, just walking with them in the mall, talking to them...just simple things. I do it not out of my having alterior motives, not to play head games with them, or get freebies, or screw them up psychologically, not out of some warped sense of control, not anything like that, but just to show them I really sincerely appreciate them. For that, I am often the object of their emotional affections...just because I treated them nicely.

And, you know as well as I, on occassion, they project onto us all their hopes and dreams, usually knowing full well that we are simply a pleasant distraction, just smoke and mirrors, something outside their ordinary realm of experience. It sometimes takes them a while to finally figure it out so they can adjust their emotions and move on.

I don't mean for things to progress to that point, but sometimes it just does, and by the time it does, things have already progressed too far to turn back without hurting their feelings. There is a way to handle it without hurting them if things progress too far, but it requires adequate time for things to cool off. Everyone just has to have patience. It will all eventually normalize naturally. None of this has any lasting reality...we know it...they know it...We are all just engaging in a little emotional, sexual, and affectionate infatuation, nothing more.[/QUOTE]

Have you been to Bario on a weekend night? I do not think you can handle the girls out there USB. I will have to buy you a box of Kleenex to wipe your drool. The girls are dressed to kill but they can not afford entire dresses. They are damn hot. And to make things worse, the dudes are there for the hunt as well. We stand no chance of scoring. Stick to Madero :)

Wasted


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Hey.... :-) maybe WastedG and me should try our shinnanigans in the Bario on some non-working girls on this next trip. In the past, I would never have tried it. But, my Spanish is getting cuter by the minute. I wonder???[/QUOTE]

I love a challenge...regarding the barios.

Well, with respect to breaking things off because I am hurting their feelings...no, that really isn't it. If I break things off it's usually because I have lost interest in them because they no longer deliver the goods like before. They still have a responsibility if they are going to remain at the top of my dance card. If they fail me, there is little hope for them in the future.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Have you been to Bario on a weekend night? I do not think you can handle the girls out there USB. I will have to buy you a box of Kleenex to wipe your drool. The girls are dressed to kill but they can not afford entire dresses. They are damn hot. And to make things worse, the dudes are there for the hunt as well. We stand no chance of scoring. Stick to Madero :)

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Hmmm. . ..sounds like the Crowne Plaza it is then. . . . . .lol. . . . .I was 35 once. . . . almost 10 years ago;-) My spanish is decent. Grammar is far from perfect but I get my points across pretty much all the time. As I said I am not hunting for the sure thing just looking to enjoy my time in Monterrey and meet new people etc. Heck is far west rodeo still open? lol I went there years ago and it was definitely different!

Heck, I am sure I will make a stop in Barrio antiguo, just for kicks etc. In fact I may have been there years ago with my ex wife. Window shopping can be fun even if you can't buy;-)

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Places in Mty to get nonworking girls...
Well first of all if you are in the 20-30 age range (tops 35) you can go to the Barrio Antiguo. Thursday to Saturday it is a place that rocks with discos and bars.
If you are over 35, the lobby bar at the Crowne Plaza will be tha place to go on weekends.[/QUOTE]

It isn't about challenges... sorry to tell you , El Barrio Antiguo is real life where age is important.
El Barrio is for youngsters not for us.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I love a challenge...regarding the barios.

Well, with respect to breaking things off because I am hurting their feelings...no, that really isn't it. If I break things off it's usually because I have lost interest in them because they no longer deliver the goods like before. They still have a responsibility if they are going to remain at the top of my dance card. If they fail me, there is little hope for them in the future.[/QUOTE]

Far West Rodeo is still open...

[QUOTE=Prtyr2]Hmmm. . ..sounds like the Crowne Plaza it is then. . . . . .lol. . . . .I was 35 once. . . . almost 10 years ago;-) My spanish is decent. Grammar is far from perfect but I get my points across pretty much all the time. As I said I am not hunting for the sure thing just looking to enjoy my time in Monterrey and meet new people etc. Heck is far west rodeo still open? lol I went there years ago and it was definitely different!

Heck, I am sure I will make a stop in Barrio antiguo, just for kicks etc. In fact I may have been there years ago with my ex wife. Window shopping can be fun even if you can't buy;-)[/QUOTE]

What a coincident! I was about to ask the same. Tell us more about the rodeo. Although I am not a great fan, but I would imagine this would be fun in Mexico. Do they have horseback riding? Bull fighting (which I think is a crime) and what else? Is it open on weekend as well as weekdays? What kind of crowd does it attract? Young, old, snobs, domestic help? How far from el centro? Give us details Carlos, Sir.

Can you take a horse on a salida :) .. for USB that is. (This is cruel). Maybe USB will get a Horse GFE -- lol - Just kidding USB. You know I love you.

Wasted.

Found it : EL MEJOR AMBIENTE ESTA SOLAMENTE EN FAR WEST RODEO !!! -- ¡¡ LLEGALE TEMPRANO !!

[url]http://www.farwestrodeo.com/index2.htm[/url]

Looks real cool. Thursday thru Sunday. I'm fixin' to go. I'll take my "P" or "J". Remind me to get a camera and buy a cowboy hat. woohoo.. :)

It’s outdoors, right?


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Far West Rodeo is still open...[/QUOTE]

You are kidding, right?
When the rodeos (Texano style, mixed with Mexican charro) opened in Monterrey I was already above the average age as a guy looking for girls.
It's for the young of age (not heart) and in style it is opposite to snobbish Barrio Antiguo, this is more working class, but in escence it is still a closely nit enormous big group that does not allow outsiders.
And again, this is not rodeo as the US cowboy rodeo.
This is indoor Mexican redneck rodeo, where music plays and beer flows.
Come on guys... this Barrio Antiguo and Rodeo stuff works the same here as in the USA, but with different names.
And Wasted, yes, you can take your girls, but remember when I told you when we were walking down Madero Ave with the girls and everyone was staring at us???
This is the kind of place where you will be scorned at for bringing girls in, starting with the difference in age, maybe not their looks, but guaranteed that guys will try to hit on them.
This is not the AI club where everything is allowed. Remeber the AI as is the Taboo are part of the gritty night scene.
Barrio Antiguo, Rodeos et al are not "the other Monterrey".
Don't mix oil and water


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]What a coincident! I was about to ask the same. Tell us more about the rodeo. Although I am not a great fan, but I would imagine this would be fun in Mexico. Do they have horseback riding? Bull fighting (which I think is a crime) and what else? Is it open on weekend as well as weekdays? What kind of crowd does it attract? Young, old, snobs, domestic help? How far from el centro? Give us details Carlos, Sir.

Can you take a horse on a salida :) .. for USB that is. (This is cruel). Maybe USB will get a Horse GFE -- lol - Just kidding USB. You know I love you.

Wasted.

Found it : EL MEJOR AMBIENTE ESTA SOLAMENTE EN FAR WEST RODEO !!! -- ¡¡ LLEGALE TEMPRANO !!

[url]http://www.farwestrodeo.com/index2.htm[/url]

Looks real cool. Thursday thru Sunday. I'm fixin' to go. I'll take my "P" or "J". Remind me to get a camera and buy a cowboy hat. woohoo.. :)

It’s outdoors, right?[/QUOTE]

Well heck, you killed it for me man. Even if I wore a cowboy hat and boots? I am willing to buy the hat and the boots for that day and then toss them in the trash for all I care. No, I am dead serious. I would like to go. Not to pick up girls or anything like that. Purely for the love of horses.

Is this place considered a pickup or party place like Bario? If so, then I guess you're right. However, not to doubt you, I looked at the pix on the website. I see all ages. If I behave, "P" can pass ass my daughter and I will give anyone hitting on her the mean look. You know my look can kill. If I take Lady "J", she can pass as my partner. She has the mature look.

But seriously, tell me again. Do you absolutely recommend against it? If so, is there another place to go horseback riding?

Wasted


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]You are kidding, right?
When the rodeos (Texano style, mixed with Mexican charro) opened in Monterrey I was already above the average age as a guy looking for girls.
It's for the young of age (not heart) and in style it is opposite to snobbish Barrio Antiguo, this is more working class, but in escence it is still a closely nit enormous big group that does not allow outsiders.
And again, this is not rodeo as the US cowboy rodeo.
This is indoor Mexican redneck rodeo, where music plays and beer flows.
Come on guys... this Barrio Antiguo and Rodeo stuff works the same here as in the USA, but with different names.
And Wasted, yes, you can take your girls, but remember when I told you when we were walking down Madero Ave with the girls and everyone was staring at us???
This is the kind of place where you will be scorned at for bringing girls in, starting with the difference in age, maybe not their looks, but guaranteed that guys will try to hit on them.
This is not the AI club where everything is allowed. Remeber the AI as is the Taboo are part of the gritty night scene.
Barrio Antiguo, Rodeos et al are not "the other Monterrey".
Don't mix oil and water[/QUOTE]

WastedG,

Listen, I thought Carlos said the girls were referring to my girl as a "Cow" not a "Horse." :-)

Their awful, insensitive, criticisms are all born out of jealousy. Those girls all wish they were in her shoes. Besides, my girl is thinner and harder bodied that any of the girls that are making such mean sprited comments.

But, as a Gringo that knows both cattle and horses quite well, I can assure you that she is more like a leopard or a tiger, a "pussy" per se. I could understand if you want to categorize her muscle groups in the range of a hardbodied filly, like a bucking bronco, but to try to pass her off as a big boned, clumsy, Hereford???? NOT!!!

No, franlky, there are many more girls in El Infinito that actually could be categorized as cows or horses. Certainly, there must be number of empty feedbags lying around El Infinito these days. :-)

And, speaking of the Rodeo, did you know that I, USB, am actually quite a horseman myself? I actually have three horses, two full blooded quarter horses, and the other a quarter horse/thoroughbred mix. I will have to show you pictures of them next time we are in Monterrey together. I have the photos on my laptop. They are all freezing their asses off in my pasture right now (18 degrees F).

As for the Rodeo...I will be holding a rodeo in my room on this next trip, and there won't be any cows or horses there, but maybe a few pussys.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]What a coincident! I was about to ask the same. Tell us more about the rodeo. Although I am not a great fan, but I would imagine this would be fun in Mexico. Do they have horseback riding? Bull fighting (which I think is a crime) and what else? Is it open on weekend as well as weekdays? What kind of crowd does it attract? Young, old, snobs, domestic help? How far from el centro? Give us details Carlos, Sir.

Can you take a horse on a salida :) .. for USB that is. (This is cruel). Maybe USB will get a Horse GFE -- lol - Just kidding USB. You know I love you.

Wasted.

Found it : EL MEJOR AMBIENTE ESTA SOLAMENTE EN FAR WEST RODEO !!! -- ¡¡ LLEGALE TEMPRANO !!

[url]http://www.farwestrodeo.com/index2.htm[/url]

Looks real cool. Thursday thru Sunday. I'm fixin' to go. I'll take my "P" or "J". Remind me to get a camera and buy a cowboy hat. woohoo.. :)

It’s outdoors, right?[/QUOTE]

Funny, same thing here. My dreaded "D" girl tells me, ages ago, she is getting married. I instantly replied that I will buy her the wedding dress... I was serious .. Now, and only now, I understand why my offer pissed her off :)

I love horses. And I mean horses. Not what you were thinking, USB. You seem to have an 8-track mind.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Carlos,

That's funny...I had that same line about "I am getting married next month" from our friend "V" at the "H" place. Needless to say, this last time, after you left, she told me that the waiter she was "engaged" to was mal, and that they were no longer seeing each other. Remember, there was all the other baggage and circumstances surrounding her situation, circumstances that are too involved to detail here.

Anyway, a couple of months ago, while she is on salida with me, todo la noche, willing to do with me anything I seemingly want to do with her in the privacy of my hotel room, she tells me that she is getting married to a guy working in the club, and that they are planning to marry in one month.

When I return to the club in three months, she is still working the club, and she is playing her same role to a "T."

Anyway, I realized after going on salida with her, that the more I learned of her personal life, the more turned-off by it I became. On salida she is talking to me well into the night, telling me about her affair, and her serious engagment with this guy working in the club, all this after we have just had sex in my hotel room.

Guys...I don't know about these girls...It boggles the frickin' mind. But, frankly, that kind of shit turns me off. I like "V" very much as a friend, and I may even break down and see her again. She apparently has some affection for me, asking me this last time to call her the following day around 10am so we could get together, austensibly so she could pick up a CD of my Gringo music from me. I forgot to call... :-)

I have to say, she is such a great actress that upon knowing that she IS such a great actress, and a girl with such an unbelievably compicated life and human debry in her interactions, and seemingly with such little regard for whatever fallout occurs in her wake, that it's just kind of a turn-off.

La Cuenta, Por Favor!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

The answer to my question most likely is to be found in the forum, but because of its length I am reluctant to sift through it. I hope no one is offended.

I will be going to Mty for the weekend, staying at the Safi hotel. Is there any action nearby? Any and all recommendations would be welcomed.

Gallo

To the best of my recollection, the Safi, while it IS a beautiful hotel, probably a five star in quality, is NOT girlfriendly. However, I have never personally tried to bring a girl in there, mainly because I was always told it was not girlfriendly and didn't want to risk the walk of shame.

I have stayed at the Safi myself, and it was marvelous. But, of course, I don't stay there regularly, unless business demands it, because I can't bring girls back there with me. You will either have to limit your fun to "in-club"activities, or go down to Hotel Plaza Del Arco, which is located relatively close to the Safi but not within easy walking distance. The Hotel Plaza Del Arco is located at Pino Suarez and Madero if you want to do a salida with a girl.

The club scene is not within walking distance of the Safi, and I don't believe there is anything around the Safi within walking distance. Carlos may know of a club that's close to Safi, but I can't think of one.

That having been said, the concentrated lower end club scene is relatively close to the Safi by taxi, probably no more than 10-15 minutes. Take a taxi to the area of the strip club Gauntlet, Villagran between Carlos Salizar and Isaac Garza, and walk south on Villagran. The following is a list of acceptable lower end clubs located in the area mentioned. They are not comfortable clubs. They are uncomfortable clubs, but the quality of your experience there is very economical for what you get, and for the quality of girls. The lower end clubs I recommend are as follows:

These are all within walking distance of each other...
El-Infinito
Givenchy
Tangalay
Parthenon
Cascabel

Matehuela is within walking distance of El Infinito, probably 5-8 minutes, at Madero and Juan Alverez, one block West of Villagran if you walk North from El Infinito to Madero.

El Cielo is located at Arteaga two blocks East of Vilagran, so it's within easy walking distance of El Infinito as well, 3-4 minutes.

Basically, these are the lower end clubs, all located within walking distance of each other, probably none of them more than 5 minutes apart on foot, and some of them across the street from one another or relatively next door to one another. They are clubs that have some good quality girls, some better than others of course.

I would rate them accordingly:
El Infinito (far and away my favorite)
Matehuela
El Cielo
Tangalay
Givenchy
Parthenon

Here are the medium priced clubs, in the USB order of importance, ones that are all located within close proximity to one another, and within walking distance of one another:
El Harem, 1400 block of Madero
Pasarelas, 900 block of Madero.
THche, 1800 block of Madero
Excalibre, 1000 Block of Madero

I would also recommend Casino, which is the other direction and not within walking distance of the cluster of medium level clubs mentioned above. Casino is on Madero between Capt. Aguilar and Degollado, a couple blocks West of Matehuela, the strip club. It is in the same category, perhaps just slightly under the quality of El Harem, IMHO.

Bahamas is also in the category of the medium level clubs, and it is located on Guerrero, North of Madero.

Speaking of high end strip clubs, they are as follows:
Obsession, on Guerrero North of Colon
Prestige, Viente De Noviembre and Madero
Poisson, Zaragoza and Aramberri
Amnesia, I Don't remember the location, but it's not too far from all the others by taxi.
Premier, 700 Block of Cortines

All of the taxi drivers will know the locations of these high end clubs because they get commissions if they bring you to one of them. So, be expecting to pay through the nose if you choose to visit them. They are very comfortable clubs, great line-ups of girls, but EXTREMELY expensive.

The medium level clubs are comfortable too, the girls can sometimes be just as hot, and the prices are significantly less. So, the veterans of MTY are rarely found in the high end clubs of MTY.

None of us regulars frequent the high end clubs for anything other than the 60 pesos buffets in the afternoons at Prestige and Obsession. We have found better options in the medium and low end clubs.

But, that having been said, some guys like the comfort of the high end clubs, and their quality is generally quite good, so if you have the money, and you want to blow it, have at it. I doubt anyone goes away from the high end clubs disasspointed, except to realize they have blown a huge wad of dough afterward. But, for visiting Gringos that have no Spanish speaking abilities, guys that want to be pampered, guys that don't care what the cost is because they are there to have a great time regardless of cost, guys that like the comfort of a "USA" style high end strip clubs, then the high end clubs of Monterrey will not disappoint you. Just bring your wallet, and several credit cards :-)

[QUOTE=Gallo Ingles]The answer to my question most likely is to be found in the forum, but because of its length I am reluctant to sift through it. I hope no one is offended.

I will be going to Mty for the weekend, staying at the Safi hotel. Is there any action nearby? Any and all recommendations would be welcomed.

Gallo[/QUOTE]

First of all, you need to specify which of the 2 Safi Hotels you are going to stay at.
If you are staying at the downtown Safi, please pay notice of Unspongebob's post.
If you are staying at the plush San Pedro Garza Garcia one, you are some 10 minutes away from the clubs and you will need a taxi for that...
Only thing I will say, contradicting my friend USB is that if this is your first time to MTY, please stick to the Madero Ave Clubs. The ones on Villagran migh be a little tough looking for a first comer... but they are not.
Thing is no one speaks English there, you'll be going on a Friday night or Saturday when the crowds go to watch soccer instead of paying attention to the girls and so on.
So give us a hint, sir.

[QUOTE=Gallo Ingles]The answer to my question most likely is to be found in the forum, but because of its length I am reluctant to sift through it. I hope no one is offended.

I will be going to Mty for the weekend, staying at the Safi hotel. Is there any action nearby? Any and all recommendations would be welcomed.

Gallo[/QUOTE]

C.P. and USB,

Thank you for your suggestions and orientation. Clearly, you guys know your stuff.

Gallo

Calling on USB: When are you planning on being in MTY next? I am thinking March 1st, maybe.

Wasted

Noooooooooooo, change your plans. You will have almost missed me by then. I will arrive in the "promised land" on 2/24 and depart back for the abis on March 3rd. I will be there on March 1st and 2nd, but by then I will have worn out all of your girlfriends. You must come in town earlier in order to preserve your flock.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Calling on USB: When are you planning on being in MTY next? I am thinking March 1st, maybe.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Ayy -- dude -- I have decided to make my visits shorter. My last one was for 9 days and I was knocked out. Had my fill but already thirsty for more.

I will be doing long weekends (Thursday thru Sunday) instead of all week (Sunday thru Sunday).

If I decide to come down, I'll catch you on your last 2 days - This way you can give me full details on your week.

I'll let you know once I confirm.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Noooooooooooo, change your plans. You will have almost missed me by then. I will arrive in the "promised land" on 2/24 and depart back for the abis on March 3rd. I will be there on March 1st and 2nd, but by then I will have worn out all of your girlfriends. You must come in town earlier in order to preserve your flock.[/QUOTE]

I'll be here too.
As a matter of fact, am always here!!!!
Which reminds me, gotta take care today (Saturday) of all my Lambs at the Infinito... check them out, see if they have been naughty.




[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Ayy -- dude -- I have decided to make my visits shorter. My last one was for 9 days and I was knocked out. Had my fill but already thirsty for more.

I will be doing long weekends (Thursday thru Sunday) instead of all week (Sunday thru Sunday).

If I decide to come down, I'll catch you on your last 2 days - This way you can give me full details on your week.

I'll let you know once I confirm.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

UsB: We all go through stages or cross paths in our lives with others who are also going through their own stages/cross paths. It creates an opportunity to experience something unique at that particular time and place. Usually, it can be extended or repeated for some time. But eventually, all good things do not last long, as in our relationship with a chica or for anything that matters. We learn to appreciate what we had and cannot change, and move on. I wish you the best of luck in your cross paths!

Wasted: The barrios Antiguo is an awesome place to visit if you know what to expect. There are a ton of hotspots, clubs and restaurants with mostly groups of people in their 20’s. C.P. is correct that it is very difficult almost impossible to penetrate (no pun intended) that scene of beautiful gorgeous woman in groups. The best approach is knowing someone in his or her inner circle of friends. I struck out miserably the last time I visited and I am in my 30’s, decent looking and can easily converse with women.

The best bet is to meet a non-pro during the day at the stores and possibly hook up with her and her friends at Barrio Antiguo. That’s what I am planning on doing next time, among other fun activities.

C.P.: How are you amigo? It’s been awhile and I miss MTY. Changed my name here from O.P. Planning on visiting again soon, maybe we can have lunch again.

Yeah, I usually stay six nights lately, and I feel that is slightly more than enough. This next trip will be seven nights, and I expect I will be quite ready to leave by then.

Personally, I believe that you have it backwards, Thursday through Sunday, but of course, I realize you're having to make those arrangements probably to accomodate your business schedule back home.

But, optimumly, I think the best range of days is Sunday Night through Thursday Night, which I've been trying to adhere to on most of my trips. The girls are more available to me than on weekends nights, when there are just too many guys distracting them, and getting them away from the clubs is too much work.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Ayy -- dude -- I have decided to make my visits shorter. My last one was for 9 days and I was knocked out. Had my fill but already thirsty for more.

I will be doing long weekends (Thursday thru Sunday) instead of all week (Sunday thru Sunday).

If I decide to come down, I'll catch you on your last 2 days - This way you can give me full details on your week.

I'll let you know once I confirm.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Dosluna: I've been to Bario a few times already. I made my own circle and have prett much done the unthinkable that I can not even tell about :-).

My last trip, I had to hand the security dude a red note to let the girls in, 2 of them looked under 18 and had no ID's. Been tot he coffee shops and had a band play a special song for me. Been to some of the bars and had them change the music for me ... I learned my way around. Yes, I know there is so much to discover and learn. I've to places I will not talk about.

I hit it off with an 18 y.o girl I met at one of the discos. I had her within a few hours in my room. I dated one girl from another bar. But then I decided it was too much work. I'll stick to my ladies at the clubs.

But you are correct. I can not go there alone and expect to get lucky. No way. I am way too old and will stand out unless I have my own group. And that's what I do. I get me 5 or 6 or 12 girls and have the greatest time of my life.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Dosluna]UsB: We all go through stages or cross paths in our lives with others who are also going through their own stages/cross paths. It creates an opportunity to experience something unique at that particular time and place. Usually, it can be extended or repeated for some time. But eventually, all good things do not last long, as in our relationship with a chica or for anything that matters. We learn to appreciate what we had and cannot change, and move on. I wish you the best of luck in your cross paths!

Wasted: The barrios Antiguo is an awesome place to visit if you know what to expect. There are a ton of hotspots, clubs and restaurants with mostly groups of people in their 20’s. C.P. is correct that it is very difficult almost impossible to penetrate (no pun intended) that scene of beautiful gorgeous woman in groups. The best approach is knowing someone in his or her inner circle of friends. I struck out miserably the last time I visited and I am in my 30’s, decent looking and can easily converse with women.

The best bet is to meet a non-pro during the day at the stores and possibly hook up with her and her friends at Barrio Antiguo. That’s what I am planning on doing next time, among other fun activities.

C.P.: How are you amigo? It’s been awhile and I miss MTY. Changed my name here from O.P. Planning on visiting again soon, maybe we can have lunch again.[/QUOTE]

Interesting ... I guess since my approach is completely different than yours, I prefare the long weekend over the weekdays. And you are correct. I have to interact with too many clients that it is easier to work from home than from a hotel room.

I have no issue getting a girl since I usually have 5 of them lining up wondering which of them will be the lucky one to go home with me. Even the manager and Pancho ask me 'who are you taking home tonight?'

Too many to choose from. I sometimes end up taking 2. and then a 3rd for Mr. "L".

See you down there...

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Yeah, I usually stay six nights lately, and I feel that is slightly more than enough. This next trip will be seven nights, and I expect I will be quite ready to leave by then.

Personally, I believe that you have it backwards, Thursday through Sunday, but of course, I realize you're having to make those arrangements probably to accomodate your business schedule back home.

But, optimumly, I think the best range of days is Sunday Night through Thursday Night, which I've been trying to adhere to on most of my trips. The girls are more available to me than on weekends nights, when there are just too many guys distracting them, and getting them away from the clubs is too much work.[/QUOTE]

You are so kind Carlos to make the 10-minute drive to come join us. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Did you deliver the letter yet? Any reaction?

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]I'll be here too.
As a matter of fact, am always here!!!!
Which reminds me, gotta take care today (Saturday) of all my Lambs at the Infinito... check them out, see if they have been naughty.[/QUOTE]

Has the weather changed yet?

How will the weather be in March?

Has the weather changed yet? How will the weather be in March?

Sure, do come down...
I'll be here.


[QUOTE=Dosluna]UsB: We all go through stages or cross paths in our lives with others who are also going through their own stages/cross paths. It creates an opportunity to experience something unique at that particular time and place. Usually, it can be extended or repeated for some time. But eventually, all good things do not last long, as in our relationship with a chica or for anything that matters. We learn to appreciate what we had and cannot change, and move on. I wish you the best of luck in your cross paths!

Wasted: The barrios Antiguo is an awesome place to visit if you know what to expect. There are a ton of hotspots, clubs and restaurants with mostly groups of people in their 20’s. C.P. is correct that it is very difficult almost impossible to penetrate (no pun intended) that scene of beautiful gorgeous woman in groups. The best approach is knowing someone in his or her inner circle of friends. I struck out miserably the last time I visited and I am in my 30’s, decent looking and can easily converse with women.

The best bet is to meet a non-pro during the day at the stores and possibly hook up with her and her friends at Barrio Antiguo. That’s what I am planning on doing next time, among other fun activities.

C.P.: How are you amigo? It’s been awhile and I miss MTY. Changed my name here from O.P. Planning on visiting again soon, maybe we can have lunch again.[/QUOTE]

Dosluna,

Thanks for the insightful comments. If you are in town the same time as the me, and/or the rest of the "gang," make sure you let us know, and we will meet up and terrorize the town together.

Unless I have a particular "romantic" interest waiting in the wings, I plan on conserving dinero, just nursing drinks in the clubs, and being a general nuisance to all concerned. I find that unless I have found an exceptional girl to spend time with, I am usually just as well off if I conserve my funds, and wait for "Mrs. Right," to come along :-) It could be a former Mrs. Right, or a new Mrs. Right, but I have learned that unless I find the right girl, my best strategy is to conserve energy and money.

[QUOTE=Dosluna]UsB: We all go through stages or cross paths in our lives with others who are also going through their own stages/cross paths. It creates an opportunity to experience something unique at that particular time and place. Usually, it can be extended or repeated for some time. But eventually, all good things do not last long, as in our relationship with a chica or for anything that matters. We learn to appreciate what we had and cannot change, and move on. I wish you the best of luck in your cross paths!

Wasted: The barrios Antiguo is an awesome place to visit if you know what to expect. There are a ton of hotspots, clubs and restaurants with mostly groups of people in their 20’s. C.P. is correct that it is very difficult almost impossible to penetrate (no pun intended) that scene of beautiful gorgeous woman in groups. The best approach is knowing someone in his or her inner circle of friends. I struck out miserably the last time I visited and I am in my 30’s, decent looking and can easily converse with women.

The best bet is to meet a non-pro during the day at the stores and possibly hook up with her and her friends at Barrio Antiguo. That’s what I am planning on doing next time, among other fun activities.

C.P.: How are you amigo? It’s been awhile and I miss MTY. Changed my name here from O.P. Planning on visiting again soon, maybe we can have lunch again.[/QUOTE]

Regularly, by March 15th the weather starts to be dry with the temperature in the mid to upper 80's.
After that it's back to hot for us.


[QUOTE=Dosluna]Has the weather changed yet? How will the weather be in March?[/QUOTE]

UsB,

Thanks. Appreciate that and looking forward to it! Stayed at the Howard Johnson last time. I liked the area near this hotel. Are there any chica friendly hotels nearby?

I have been back in Monterrey for a quick 2 days. Visited several clubs, and went to numerous massage places to check out the goods.

First off, the massage prices continue to fall - at least the promocion prices. Several places were 80p, 100p, 110 and 130. The bad news is that most have added the twist of a propina for removing her top, a second position etc. If you give them 200p =$18US and say the rest is hers, you can be pretty much assured of doing what you want, in as many positions as you like. Still an incredible bargain.

I had 6 sessions in 5 places in 2 days and I thought the much mentioned Signore to still be the best of the lot. King size beds, huge rooms w showers and girls with the right attitude. I had Grecia, 22 a smallish morena twice and enjoyed the experience. Very cute girl with only a few stretch marks on her stomach. Nice attitude, a good time. $18 well spent.

Tried a new? place Sensaciones at Juan Alverez 820 - very close to Matehuala. Can recommend Fernanda, 27 for incredible oral skills. Did a CBJ only for 15 minutes. Very nice face and great attitude. With 3 kids her stomach was a mess, but watching her face while she gives grade-A head . . . priceless.

The rooms at both Duality and Shakira leave alot to be desired, but at least you can lie down. Forgetable experiences at both.

Finally another new? place at Villagomez 825 - across the street from Signore, was nice. I can recommend Judith -33 but looks much younger. Very nice body, great attitude. Would go back if I had more time.

Another tip`at these places. If you find a girl you really enjoyed, ask her for a card with the places address. She will often give you her cell number to get in touch later (free-lance at your hotel after hours). This saves her the house fee and allows you more time in a nicer ambience. Didn´t do it myself, but had the chance with the 2 of them I liked. YMMV.

Good Luck, -P

Quick, Carlos, How do I say "Happy Valentine’s Day" in Espanol?

Gotta send sms's to your D girl and USB's G spot ...... just kidding ... but will send a broadcast to 'all the girls I loved before'

Wasted

DosLunas, on what price range?
If it's the HoJo range, the Sheraton Ambassador is girl friendly.
This hotel is right across the park behind the Howard Johnson and to the right of the Radisson.


[QUOTE=Dosluna]UsB,

Thanks. Appreciate that and looking forward to it! Stayed at the Howard Johnson last time. I liked the area near this hotel. Are there any chica friendly hotels nearby?[/QUOTE]

Feliz dia del amor y la amistad....


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Quick, Carlos, How do I say "Happy Valentine’s Day" in Espanol?

Gotta send sms's to your D girl and USB's G spot ...... just kidding ... but will send a broadcast to 'all the girls I loved before'

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Carlos, My Living Language Spanish Daily Calendar says: "Feliz dia de San Valentin." Es Correcto???

To: The gang...

I've been philosophizing about my prior trip to Monterrey...

One thing about coming home is that you soon realize that the short time you spent in "Fantasy Land" was all just a dream, including the girl, and that the GFE you may have experienced was just a pleasant day dream.

Lately, upon contemplating my recent escapades in Monterrey, I am compelled to also wonder if by returning for more I am setting myself up. It is almost like having an itch that you can not scratch, and then scratching in a place that you suddenly realize never itched to begin with.

I have the itch right now, the itch to return, the itch to re-experience the GFE that was so enjoyable last time. But, I also realize now, after being back to reality, where I've been able to rationally contemplate philosophical things without the influences of a certain seductive bar girl, that the itch is all in my mind, and that to scratch it is to expose my own psyche to a vulnerability that I would otherwise reject were I the wiser.

I have no expectations for this next trip being similiar to the last, and I look forward to experiencing whatever MTY throws at me this time. Monterrey HAPPENS!

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Feliz dia del amor y la amistad....[/QUOTE]

Nope.
Feliz Dia del Amor y la Amistad.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Carlos, My Living Language Spanish Daily Calendar says: "Feliz dia de San Valentin." Es Correcto???

To: The gang...

I've been philosophizing about my prior trip to Monterrey...

One thing about coming home is that you soon realize that the short time you spent in "Fantasy Land" was all just a dream, including the girl, and that the GFE you may have experienced was just a pleasant day dream.

Lately, upon contemplating my recent escapades in Monterrey, I am compelled to also wonder if by returning for more I am setting myself up. It is almost like having an itch that you can not scratch, and then scratching in a place that you suddenly realize never itched to begin with.

I have the itch right now, the itch to return, the itch to re-experience the GFE that was so enjoyable last time. But, I also realize now, after being back to reality, where I've been able to rationally contemplate philosophical things without the influences of a certain seductive bar girl, that the itch is all in my mind, and that to scratch it is to expose my own psyche to a vulnerability that I would otherwise reject were I the wiser.

I have no expectations for this next trip being similiar to the last, and I look forward to experiencing whatever MTY throws at me this time. Monterrey HAPPENS![/QUOTE]

Actually, on the 14th, my calendar said "Hoy muchos paises celebran el dia de los enamorados (Many countries celebrate the day of the lovers on this day). Then, on the 15th, the calendar actually says "Se llama El dia de San Valentin"
(It is called Valentine's Day).

My assumption was that I could say "Feliz dia de San Valentin" and be correct.

See...no wonder Angry Girl got mad at me. I should probably restrict my activities to molesting them physicially and keep my mouth shut :-)


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Nope.
Feliz Dia del Amor y la Amistad.[/QUOTE]

USB says: "Then, on the 15th, the calendar actually says "Se llama El dia de San Valentin"

Nope.... wrong. It is as said, and as done in the USA, on Feb. the 14th.
And this is really funny... being the USA a country where Protestants and other different denominations are majority, why does America celebrate saints???

... like, lets say, St. Patricks?????
This IS weird.
What a country....



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Actually, on the 14th, my calendar said "Hoy muchos paises celebran el dia de los enamorados (Many countries celebrate the day of the lovers on this day). Then, on the 15th, the calendar actually says "Se llama El dia de San Valentin"
(It is called Valentine's Day).

My assumption was that I could say "Feliz dia de San Valentin" and be correct.

See...no wonder Angry Girl got mad at me. I should probably restrict my activities to molesting them physicially and keep my mouth shut :-)[/QUOTE]

That's nothing...Don't forget, we have not fogotten our Mexican friends in our celebrations. We have a lot of common history, perhaps more continuity between our two countries today than ever before.

Each May we celebrate Cinco de Mayo, your country's Independence from Spanish Rule, verdad? Here is the rest of the story...(according to [url]http://www.vivacincodemayo.org/history.htm[/url])

"The 5th of May is not Mexican Independence Day, but it should be! And Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday, but it should be. Mexico declared its independence from mother Spain on midnight, the 15th of September, 1810. And it took 11 years before the first Spanish soldiers were told and forced to leave Mexico.

So, why Cinco de Mayo? And why should Americans savor this day as well? Because 4,000 Mexican soldiers smashed the French and traitor Mexican army of 8,000 at Puebla, Mexico, 100 miles east of Mexico City on the morning of May 5, 1862.

The French had landed in Mexico (along with Spanish and English troops) five months earlier on the pretext of collecting Mexican debts from the newly elected government of democratic President (and Indian) Benito Juarez. The English and Spanish quickly made deals and left. The French, however, had different ideas.

Under Emperor Napoleon III, who detested the United States, the French came to stay. They brought a Hapsburg prince with them to rule the new Mexican empire. His name was Maximilian; his wife, Carolota. Napoleon's French Army had not been defeated in 50 years, and it invaded Mexico with the finest modern equipment and with a newly reconstituted Foreign Legion. The French were not afraid of anyone, especially since the United States was embroiled in its own Civil War.

The French Army left the port of Vera Cruz to attack Mexico City to the west, as the French assumed that the Mexicans would give up should their capital fall to the enemy -- as European countries traditionally did.

Under the command of Texas-born General Zaragosa, (and the cavalry under the command of Colonel Porfirio Diaz, later to be Mexico's president and dictator), the Mexicans awaited. Brightly dressed French Dragoons led the enemy columns. The Mexican Army was less stylish.

General Zaragosa ordered Colonel Diaz to take his cavalry, the best in the world, out to the French flanks. In response, the French did a most stupid thing; they sent their cavalry off to chase Diaz and his men, who proceeded to butcher them. The remaining French infantrymen charged the Mexican defenders through sloppy mud from a thunderstorm and through hundreds of head of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians armed only with machetes.

When the battle was over, many French were killed or wounded and their cavalry was being chased by Diaz' superb horsemen miles away. The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War.

Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City.

It might be a historical stretch to credit the survival of the United States to those brave 4,000 Mexicans who faced an army twice as large in 1862. But who knows?

In gratitude, thousands of Mexicans crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to join the U.S. Armed Forces. As recently as the Persian Gulf War, Mexicans flooded American consulates with phone calls, trying to join up and fight another war for America.

Mexicans, you see, never forget who their friends are, and neither do Americans. That's why Cinco de Mayo is such a party -- A party that celebrates freedom and liberty. There are two ideals which Mexicans and Americans have fought shoulder to shoulder to protect, ever since the 5th of May, 1862. VIVA! el CINCO DE MAYO!!"

But USB says, regarding Saints...

The reality is, most of our holidays are actually designed to replenish the coufers of Anheuser Busch - Coors - Miller - Pabst - Pacifico - Corona - Estrella - Modelo - Indio - Bohemia - etc.... the true Saints worshipped in our American/Mexican culture :-)


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]USB says: "Then, on the 15th, the calendar actually says "Se llama El dia de San Valentin"

Nope.... wrong. It is as said, and as done in the USA, on Feb. the 14th.
And this is really funny... being the USA a country where Protestants and other different denominations are majority, why does America celebrate saints???

... like, lets say, St. Patricks?????
This IS weird.
What a country....[/QUOTE]

With all due respect to everyone. This is all B.S.

Americans are whites who took the land from the reds and sent thr blacks to kill the yellows .. It is that simple.

Thanks Giving is the day they slaughtered the Indians.

Sinco de Mayo is called Stinko De Mayo in the USA.

When was Christ born? Not on Xmas nor new year's day,

Borders are man drawn lines. What the hell gives anyone the right to stop another human from entering God's earth? Since when are countries owned?

Holidays are, like UDB said, usually fall on a Mondays so you would spend what you saved in the last couple of weeks to keep you enslaved to your job.

Everything the government does is against you and to their advantage.

Like Carlos said, America is becoming more and more like Mexico. SUKCS and STINKS. What Carlos does not realize is that we are worse but we are better at hiding it.

Wasted.
[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]That's nothing...Don't forget, we have not fogotten our Mexican friends in our celebrations. We have a lot of common history, perhaps more continuity between our two countries today than ever before.

Each May we celebrate Cinco de Mayo, your country's Independence from Spanish Rule, verdad? Here is the rest of the story...(according to [url]http://www.vivacincodemayo.org/history.htm[/url])

"The 5th of May is not Mexican Independence Day, but it should be! And Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday, but it should be. Mexico declared its independence from mother Spain on midnight, the 15th of September, 1810. And it took 11 years before the first Spanish soldiers were told and forced to leave Mexico.

So, why Cinco de Mayo? And why should Americans savor this day as well? Because 4,000 Mexican soldiers smashed the French and traitor Mexican army of 8,000 at Puebla, Mexico, 100 miles east of Mexico City on the morning of May 5, 1862.

The French had landed in Mexico (along with Spanish and English troops) five months earlier on the pretext of collecting Mexican debts from the newly elected government of democratic President (and Indian) Benito Juarez. The English and Spanish quickly made deals and left. The French, however, had different ideas.

Under Emperor Napoleon III, who detested the United States, the French came to stay. They brought a Hapsburg prince with them to rule the new Mexican empire. His name was Maximilian; his wife, Carolota. Napoleon's French Army had not been defeated in 50 years, and it invaded Mexico with the finest modern equipment and with a newly reconstituted Foreign Legion. The French were not afraid of anyone, especially since the United States was embroiled in its own Civil War.

The French Army left the port of Vera Cruz to attack Mexico City to the west, as the French assumed that the Mexicans would give up should their capital fall to the enemy -- as European countries traditionally did.

Under the command of Texas-born General Zaragosa, (and the cavalry under the command of Colonel Porfirio Diaz, later to be Mexico's president and dictator), the Mexicans awaited. Brightly dressed French Dragoons led the enemy columns. The Mexican Army was less stylish.

General Zaragosa ordered Colonel Diaz to take his cavalry, the best in the world, out to the French flanks. In response, the French did a most stupid thing; they sent their cavalry off to chase Diaz and his men, who proceeded to butcher them. The remaining French infantrymen charged the Mexican defenders through sloppy mud from a thunderstorm and through hundreds of head of stampeding cattle stirred up by Indians armed only with machetes.

When the battle was over, many French were killed or wounded and their cavalry was being chased by Diaz' superb horsemen miles away. The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War.

Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City.

It might be a historical stretch to credit the survival of the United States to those brave 4,000 Mexicans who faced an army twice as large in 1862. But who knows?

In gratitude, thousands of Mexicans crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to join the U.S. Armed Forces. As recently as the Persian Gulf War, Mexicans flooded American consulates with phone calls, trying to join up and fight another war for America.

Mexicans, you see, never forget who their friends are, and neither do Americans. That's why Cinco de Mayo is such a party -- A party that celebrates freedom and liberty. There are two ideals which Mexicans and Americans have fought shoulder to shoulder to protect, ever since the 5th of May, 1862. VIVA! el CINCO DE MAYO!!"

But USB says, regarding Saints...

The reality is, most of our holidays are actually designed to replenish the coufers of Anheuser Busch - Coors - Miller - Pabst - Pacifico - Corona - Estrella - Modelo - Indio - Bohemia - etc.... the true Saints worshipped in our American/Mexican culture :-)[/QUOTE]

Wasted,
With all due respect, and I would be the first to say that you are entitled to your opinion, but......flippant sound bites do not a debate make. If you want to discuss this I would be glad to. I just don't think that those sorts of comments should be left undiscussed, like a fart in church.

What??? WastedG...

You don't like history??? Holidays???

I find Mexican history fasinating...Here is a little more history:

I was recently surprised to learn that the US actually conquered the capital city of Mexico during the Mexican/American War, and that a US flag was actually hoisted and flew on the capital building in Mexico City for quite some time. Here are some more interesting facts that came about as a result of the Mexican American war...

The United States acquired the northern half of Mexico. This area later became the U.S. states of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, establishing a border from sea to shining sea. Had the US not acquired that land, we would have land borders with the State of Mexico that would encompas those States. It was thought at the time that borders at the Oceans would better serve to secure the boundries of the United States, and that to maintain a land border of that magnitude would make border security almost an impossibility were we not to acquire those eventual States.

The US politicians were self serving for the sake of their country, at the expense of Mexico. The Americans were patriotically correct with respect to border security, and I believe that they held the best interests of the US at heart. It doesn't make it morally right, but logistically, they were correct. The defeat of Mexico was the first time an enemy force occupied the capitol of the nation. The French would also occupy Mexico City in the 1860's.

Fact is, after the Mexican/American War, the American politicians were dying to get out of Mexico and normalize relations with the people of Mexico because the US Civil War was starting to heat up about the time the American Army took control of Mexico City. The US politicians did not need the distraction of having to calm and assemilate the people of Mexico into the Union, so they pulled out in order to direct their attentions to the Civil War effort. The US governor of Mexico City, was trying to hold onto the entire country of Mexico, and had been ordered by the President of the United States, several times, to pull out. But, it took months for that to actually occur because the US governor of Mexico, based in Mexico city, was pushing for US occupation of Mexico, and for eventually making Mexico a part of the Union. Eventually, the President of the United States had to make some pretty serious threats to get them all to pull out. I guess the American politicians in Mexico City had delusions of governing a huge expanse of newly conquered land, and they didn't want to give up their power base. The President of the United States finally made enough threats that they eventually pulled out and turned the country back over to the Mexican people.

Thank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you imagine if we had maintained an occupation in Mexico, and turned it into a US possession, and eventually into several more United States.

Consider the implications. Mexican Strip Clubs would be just like US Strip Clubs, no bar girls sitting on your lap, no privados, no salidas, no touching, no kissy face, no feely, no nothing...We would have to travel all the way to Costa Rica for God's sake. Oh, the humanity of it all would be simply too much to endure!!! Thank GOD, Thank GOD, Thank GOD!!! We would have fucked everything UP!!! But, of course, we would have also had Cancun, Alcapulco, Puerta Vallarta, Vera Cruz, Mazatlan, etc...I would trade them all to be governor of Monterrey.

With respect to holidays...

Granted, most commemorative holidays are not particularly celebrated with sincerity. For example, how many of us sit home on Dr. Martin Luther King Day to contemplate his "contributions"? But, IMHO, while many religious holidays are celebrated with insincerity by the faithless, with over commercialization etc...there are still many religious holidays that are seriously celebrated by the religious faithful. With respect to the date during which Christmas is celebrated, that is merely due to a lack of historical data being available to actually, with certain accurancy, discern the actual date of the birth of Christ. Besides, the celebration of Christmas day on December 25th was merely an import from our European Ancestors, a date established long before the US was born.

On the other hand, New Years Eve, is another example of a holiday whose primary benefit is derived to the distillers of the World, a day of very little serious contemplation or consequence. But, I belive there is a significant difference between some of the religious holidays and the secular holidays with respect to their overall validity as legitimate holidays.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]With all due respect to everyone. This is all B.S.

Americans are whites who took the land from the reds and sent thr blacks to kill the yellows .. It is that simple.

Thanks Giving is the day they slaughtered the Indians.

Sinco de Mayo is called Stinko De Mayo in the USA.

When was Christ born? Not on Xmas nor new year's day,

Borders are man drawn lines. What the hell gives anyone the right to stop another human from entering God's earth? Since when are countries owned?

Holidays are, like UDB said, usually fall on a Mondays so you would spend what you saved in the last couple of weeks to keep you enslaved to your job.

Everything the government does is against you and to their advantage.

Like Carlos said, America is becoming more and more like Mexico. SUKCS and STINKS. What Carlos does not realize is that we are worse but we are better at hiding it.

Wasted.[/QUOTE]

Doubt, please excuse WastedG. He sometimes writes harsher than he is in person.
USB: You are forgetting that the USA invaded Mexico in 1916 after Pancho Villa raided Columbus, New Mexico. This force was commanded by General Pershing and a young officer by the name of George Patton was one of his staff.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]What??? WastedG...

You don't like history??? Holidays???

I find Mexican history fasinating...Here is a little more history:

I was recently surprised to learn that the US actually conquered the capital city of Mexico during the Mexican/American War, and that a US flag was actually hoisted and flew on the capital building in Mexico City for quite some time. Here are some more interesting facts that came about as a result of the Mexican American war...

The United States acquired the northern half of Mexico. This area later became the U.S. states of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, establishing a border from sea to shining sea. Had the US not acquired that land, we would have land borders with the State of Mexico that would encompas those States. It was thought at the time that borders at the Oceans would better serve to secure the boundries of the United States, and that to maintain a land border of that magnitude would make border security almost an impossibility were we not to acquire those eventual States.

The US politicians were self serving for the sake of their country, at the expense of Mexico. The Americans were patriotically correct with respect to border security, and I believe that they held the best interests of the US at heart. It doesn't make it morally right, but logistically, they were correct. The defeat of Mexico was the first time an enemy force occupied the capitol of the nation. The French would also occupy Mexico City in the 1860's.

Fact is, after the Mexican/American War, the American politicians were dying to get out of Mexico and normalize relations with the people of Mexico because the US Civil War was starting to heat up about the time the American Army took control of Mexico City. The US politicians did not need the distraction of having to calm and assemilate the people of Mexico into the Union, so they pulled out in order to direct their attentions to the Civil War effort. The US governor of Mexico City, was trying to hold onto the entire country of Mexico, and had been ordered by the President of the United States, several times, to pull out. But, it took months for that to actually occur because the US governor of Mexico, based in Mexico city, was pushing for US occupation of Mexico, and for eventually making Mexico a part of the Union. Eventually, the President of the United States had to make some pretty serious threats to get them all to pull out. I guess the American politicians in Mexico City had delusions of governing a huge expanse of newly conquered land, and they didn't want to give up their power base. The President of the United States finally made enough threats that they eventually pulled out and turned the country back over to the Mexican people.

Thank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you imagine if we had maintained an occupation in Mexico, and turned it into a US possession, and eventually into several more United States.

Consider the implications. Mexican Strip Clubs would be just like US Strip Clubs, no bar girls sitting on your lap, no privados, no salidas, no touching, no kissy face, no feely, no nothing...We would have to travel all the way to Costa Rica for God's sake. Oh, the humanity of it all would be simply too much to endure!!! Thank GOD, Thank GOD, Thank GOD!!! We would have fucked everything UP!!! But, of course, we would have also had Cancun, Alcapulco, Puerta Vallarta, Vera Cruz, Mazatlan, etc...I would trade them all to be governor of Monterrey.

With respect to holidays...

Granted, most commemorative holidays are not particularly celebrated with sincerity. For example, how many of us sit home on Dr. Martin Luther King Day to contemplate his "contributions"? But, IMHO, while many religious holidays are celebrated with insincerity by the faithless, with over commercialization etc...there are still many religious holidays that are seriously celebrated by the religious faithful. With respect to the date during which Christmas is celebrated, that is merely due to a lack of historical data being available to actually, with certain accurancy, discern the actual date of the birth of Christ. Besides, the celebration of Christmas day on December 25th was merely an import from our European Ancestors, a date established long before the US was born.

On the other hand, New Years Eve, is another example of a holiday whose primary benefit is derived to the distillers of the World, a day of very little serious contemplation or consequence. But, I belive there is a significant difference between some of the religious holidays and the secular holidays with respect to their overall validity as legitimate holidays.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Doubt, please excuse WastedG. He sometimes writes harsher than he is in person.
USB: You are forgetting that the USA invaded Mexico in 1916 after Pancho Villa raided Columbus, New Mexico. This force was commanded by General Pershing and a young officer by the name of George Patton was one of his staff.[/QUOTE]
Carlos,your history lesson very insightful.Been traveling around Mexico via bus,I am 62,presently in Matehuala,considering our history with Mexico folks in general very cordial.Stay in cheap hotels with local folks,enjoyable.Sent you a pm,see you soon.Big John 1

[QUOTE=Dosluna]UsB,

Thanks. Appreciate that and looking forward to it! Stayed at the Howard Johnson last time. I liked the area near this hotel. Are there any chica friendly hotels nearby?[/QUOTE]
Guys,with all due respect I cannot believe the prices some of you gentleman pay for hotels. Stayed at Hotel Mundo Monterrey 736 Reforma nice place good bed 260 pesos,in Matehuala good hotel a little basic 150 pesos in two weeks bus travel 300 pesos most I ever paid,went as low as 80pesos,this is how you meet local folks.62 and enjoying,saves more for chicas,too.Big John 1

OH MY GOD!!! If Patton was there, you are lucky he did not kick your asses into the Pacific, and finish the job that was started in Mexico City. We are all fortunate. I could not stand seeing Monterrey under US control! Bannish the thought!!!

If you want, I can start to research that information about Pershing and Patton, and post huge volumes of information here, taking up all the available bandwidth with future history lessons. Just say the word amigo.

By the way, Carlos, "the" Wet Wipes are now within my sphere of control, and they will be accompanying me to Monterrey for your hygenic/antibacterial pleasure.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Doubt, please excuse WastedG. He sometimes writes harsher than he is in person.
USB: You are forgetting that the USA invaded Mexico in 1916 after Pancho Villa raided Columbus, New Mexico. This force was commanded by General Pershing and a young officer by the name of George Patton was one of his staff.[/QUOTE]

big john 1,

where exactly is the hotel on reforma? describe it's accomodations to me. actually, you are right about the cost of hotels. personally, i spend about $50 a night when there, but i need high speed internet access, preferably from the room, or at least in the lobby/restaurant. i doubt if your place has that, but the price sounds very tempting. have you stayed at plaza del arco before, and if so, how would you compare your hotel selection to plaza del arco? i am always looking for a way to save a few bucks. and, you're right, the more i save on hotels, the more i have available for the girls...uh girl.

[quote=big john 1]guys,with all due respect i cannot believe the prices some of you gentleman pay for hotels. stayed at hotel mundo monterrey 736 reforma nice place good bed 260 pesos,in matehuala good hotel a little basic 150 pesos in two weeks bus travel 300 pesos most i ever paid,went as low as 80pesos,this is how you meet local folks.62 and enjoying,saves more for chicas,too.big john 1[/quote]

[quote=unospongebob]big john 1,

where exactly is the hotel on reforma? describe it's accomodations to me. actually, you are right about the cost of hotels. personally, i spend about $50 a night when there, but i need high speed internet access, preferably from the room, or at least in the lobby/restaurant. i doubt if your place has that, but the price sounds very tempting. have you stayed at plaza del arco before, and if so, how would you compare your hotel selection to plaza del arco? i am always looking for a way to save a few bucks. and, you're right, the more i save on hotels, the more i have available for the girls...uh girl.[/quote]
unspngebob,from the hotel you mention walk to r eforma,the go about 3 blocks south all cabbies know it beds huge and comfortable,large rooms,slippery floors watch out fell in shower,third floor nice,no elevator,24 hour reception,check out 2pm,no internet,no english,yes, saw your hotel.a lmost died of sticker shock.

Well, thing is that both USB and Wasted are here in Mty for work and fun at the same time.
They need the internet... and the PDA and the ME are the cheapest that offer the job done to the guest...


[QUOTE=Big John 1]Unspngebob,from the hotel you mention walk to R eforma,the go about 3 blocks south all cabbies know it beds huge and comfortable,large rooms,slippery floors watch out fell in shower,third floor nice,no elevator,24 hour reception,check out 2pm,no internet,no English,yes, saw your hotel.A lmost died of sticker shock.[/QUOTE]

I've stayed at the Mundo and it is a clean, quiet, good hotel. It is not much to look at from the outside but the inside is fine and the rooms are great for what you pay. I like the staff at the pda express and just have a personal preference for that one. I have never tried bringing anyone back with me at either one so I don't know if it is allowed.

If its the 7th block of Reforma to the East, all the hotels starting at Guerrero all the way to Dr. Coss are love motels.


[QUOTE=Doubt98]I've stayed at the Mundo and it is a clean, quiet, good hotel. It is not much to look at from the outside but the inside is fine and the rooms are great for what you pay. I like the staff at the pda express and just have a personal preference for that one. I have never tried bringing anyone back with me at either one so I don't know if it is allowed.[/QUOTE]

Been staying at the PDA for almost 2 years now. I watched the room rates go up almost every single time I check in. However, I still pay the original price from 2 years ago and I somethime get free nights.. because I hehave - haha. NOT.

Nahh. The manager and I have become friends. I get special VIP treatment from the entire staff. The bell boy knocks on my door at 8 AM every morning with a freshlyh squeezed orange juice and a newspaper. The maids can't wait to clean my room and leave me 5 extra towles and extra bottles of water. I have the same room everytime. I sometimes have 3 girls in the room and no one says anything although it is $70 more for each extra person. I pay nothing. The only thigs is ... I realy behave and tell the girls to keep their voice down. I try to get the grils through the back door so as to show some respect to the ladies behind the front desk and I always treat everyone with respect as well. I tip alot too but it pays off well.

I have many demands from almost every person working at the hotel but I make sure everyone is rewarded for the special attention.

I stayed at the Safi once. I is a great hotel, top class, but absolutly no girls. I had to keep 2 hotels at the same time, Safi for work and PDA for fun.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Big John 1]Unspngebob,from the hotel you mention walk to R eforma,the go about 3 blocks south all cabbies know it beds huge and comfortable,large rooms,slippery floors watch out fell in shower,third floor nice,no elevator,24 hour reception,check out 2pm,no internet,no English,yes, saw your hotel.A lmost died of sticker shock.[/QUOTE]

USB: I never said I don't like history. What gets me angry are 2 things: The winner writes the history & the fact that there are 3 phases of history:

phase 1- as history is being made, truth is altered
phase 2 -as you read about it later, you discover the alteration
phase 3- as you read about from the other side, it was all lies.

The USA is 200 years old. I would not call that history. But 4000 years of history is in fact 'history'

I don't want to waste too many key strokes on this subject. I refuse to watch the news (we report, you decide, my a$$) and politics still makes me laugh. How could an idiot run a super country when he can not put 2 words together? And if he does, he might misunderestimate.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]What??? WastedG...

You don't like history??? Holidays???

I find Mexican history fasinating...Here is a little more history:

I was recently surprised to learn that the US actually conquered the capital city of Mexico during the Mexican/American War, and that a US flag was actually hoisted and flew on the capital building in Mexico City for quite some time. Here are some more interesting facts that came about as a result of the Mexican American war...

The United States acquired the northern half of Mexico. This area later became the U.S. states of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, establishing a border from sea to shining sea. Had the US not acquired that land, we would have land borders with the State of Mexico that would encompas those States. It was thought at the time that borders at the Oceans would better serve to secure the boundries of the United States, and that to maintain a land border of that magnitude would make border security almost an impossibility were we not to acquire those eventual States.

The US politicians were self serving for the sake of their country, at the expense of Mexico. The Americans were patriotically correct with respect to border security, and I believe that they held the best interests of the US at heart. It doesn't make it morally right, but logistically, they were correct. The defeat of Mexico was the first time an enemy force occupied the capitol of the nation. The French would also occupy Mexico City in the 1860's.

Fact is, after the Mexican/American War, the American politicians were dying to get out of Mexico and normalize relations with the people of Mexico because the US Civil War was starting to heat up about the time the American Army took control of Mexico City. The US politicians did not need the distraction of having to calm and assemilate the people of Mexico into the Union, so they pulled out in order to direct their attentions to the Civil War effort. The US governor of Mexico City, was trying to hold onto the entire country of Mexico, and had been ordered by the President of the United States, several times, to pull out. But, it took months for that to actually occur because the US governor of Mexico, based in Mexico city, was pushing for US occupation of Mexico, and for eventually making Mexico a part of the Union. Eventually, the President of the United States had to make some pretty serious threats to get them all to pull out. I guess the American politicians in Mexico City had delusions of governing a huge expanse of newly conquered land, and they didn't want to give up their power base. The President of the United States finally made enough threats that they eventually pulled out and turned the country back over to the Mexican people.

Thank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you imagine if we had maintained an occupation in Mexico, and turned it into a US possession, and eventually into several more United States.

Consider the implications. Mexican Strip Clubs would be just like US Strip Clubs, no bar girls sitting on your lap, no privados, no salidas, no touching, no kissy face, no feely, no nothing...We would have to travel all the way to Costa Rica for God's sake. Oh, the humanity of it all would be simply too much to endure!!! Thank GOD, Thank GOD, Thank GOD!!! We would have fucked everything UP!!! But, of course, we would have also had Cancun, Alcapulco, Puerta Vallarta, Vera Cruz, Mazatlan, etc...I would trade them all to be governor of Monterrey.

With respect to holidays...

Granted, most commemorative holidays are not particularly celebrated with sincerity. For example, how many of us sit home on Dr. Martin Luther King Day to contemplate his "contributions"? But, IMHO, while many religious holidays are celebrated with insincerity by the faithless, with over commercialization etc...there are still many religious holidays that are seriously celebrated by the religious faithful. With respect to the date during which Christmas is celebrated, that is merely due to a lack of historical data being available to actually, with certain accurancy, discern the actual date of the birth of Christ. Besides, the celebration of Christmas day on December 25th was merely an import from our European Ancestors, a date established long before the US was born.

On the other hand, New Years Eve, is another example of a holiday whose primary benefit is derived to the distillers of the World, a day of very little serious contemplation or consequence. But, I belive there is a significant difference between some of the religious holidays and the secular holidays with respect to their overall validity as legitimate holidays.[/QUOTE]

The problem is, we need more guys to participate by posting questions, comments, and/or reports.

There is nothing to keep anyone from posting their reports, questions, comments, regardless of the banter that proliferates between a few of us. Besides, if there was more participation from guys choosing to visit Monterrey, there would be less banter to fill the board. Those of us that participate in the banter would be busy replying with opinions and commentary stemming from those questions and comments.

Frankly, with the current level of participation on the Monterrey board, if it were not for the banter, I suspect the board would probably die completely. I know I would probably lose interest in checking the board for lack of postings. At least with the banter, the board is still alive, and the newbies know who they can go to.

I speculate that without the banter, there would be nothing to check for months on end.

i don't really advocate that the hotels we stay in are necessarily a great deal, nor do they offer the level of comfortable accomodation that i prefer when i am traveling in the us, but they are girl friendly. that is a hugely important issue for those of us that go on salida with the girls.

there simply aren't that many downtown hotels that will permit girls in their establishments to begin with, and even less that permit those activities while also providing accomodations for the business traveler.

many of the visitors to monterrey don't see this importance because most posters seem to visit the massage parlors, or partake in only in-club activities. but, for those of us that enjoy salidas, the logistical importance of finding an acceptable, relatively reasonably priced hotel that can also accomodate our business needs, can not be emphasized enough.

the pda (plaza del arco) is at least tied for the #1 position with respect to things like being in close proximity to the clubs, high speed internet, and being girl friendly, all at the same time. it even has a side entrance where you can avoid the walk of shame to some extent.

plaza del arco is cheap when you compare most hotels in a major city like monterrey. many good hotels will cost well over $100 a night. pda costs around $57-$58 a night if you walk in off the street. if you frequent pda as a business traveler, you can get a reduced rate, and also if you negotiate with them, and are planning to spend a week in monterrey. they will come off the price for an extended stay of more than about 4 days, and especially if they know you are a repeat customer, returning frequently to monterrey.



[quote=wastedgman]been staying at the pda for almost 2 years now. i watched the room rates go up almost every single time i check in. however, i still pay the original price from 2 years ago and i somethime get free nights.. because i hehave - haha. not.

nahh. the manager and i have become friends. i get special vip treatment from the entire staff. the bell boy knocks on my door at 8 am every morning with a freshlyh squeezed orange juice and a newspaper. the maids can't wait to clean my room and leave me 5 extra towles and extra bottles of water. i have the same room everytime. i sometimes have 3 girls in the room and no one says anything although it is $70 more for each extra person. i pay nothing. the only thigs is ... i realy behave and tell the girls to keep their voice down. i try to get the grils through the back door so as to show some respect to the ladies behind the front desk and i always treat everyone with respect as well. i tip alot too but it pays off well.

i have many demands from almost every person working at the hotel but i make sure everyone is rewarded for the special attention.

i stayed at the safi once. i is a great hotel, top class, but absolutly no girls. i had to keep 2 hotels at the same time, safi for work and pda for fun.

wasted[/quote]

USB lose interest in this board? Not a chance in hell. We all know USB 'loves' to read and post here regardless of the subject.

But seriously, USB is a well educated down to earth dude. A good friend to have and is trust worthy. Besides all that, he has acquired decent life lessons in all subjects and will read and reply to any subject.

Back to the PDA: USB, you obviously have not entered the PDA lately. Their rate is $800/night and the place is always full. They have recently renovated the entire hotels including every single room. Still not a 5-star hotel and not even a 3-star, but it's clean, comfortable and, most important, accommodating.

The walk of shame, you said? You would think that after doing it for 2 years, one might become thick-skinned to the 'shame'. But no, it gets worse. Every time I walk in with a girl, I am more and more ashamed than the previous time. It does not get better, it get more embarrassing that I look forward to the night that I return girl-less and proud of it because I took care of business at the club.

Mr. "L" commented a couple of times: "I wonder what they think we're up to when we go out". My answer was: 'I wonder what think of us when they 'know' what we are up to when we go out". I mean, think of it, we leave around 6 pm and come back around 9 or 11 with a couple of girls, different ones every night. Then on Fridays, 4 or 5 girls come over to the hotel (after their shift) and we all go out only to return at 5 AM with even more girls. Last time I had to get 2 extra rooms to accommodate all the girls we had. You still 'wonder' if they know?

Now imagine us all at the hotel restaurant having breakfast. 6 girls and 2 men. The oldest girl was probably 22 y/o and I have grey hair. I spent most of the time telling the girls to husshhhhhh. They were all hung over and giggling like little high-school girls. My "X" girl asked for beer with her breakfast.

Love Monterrey

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]The problem is, we need more guys to participate by posting questions, comments, and/or reports.

There is nothing to keep anyone from posting their reports, questions, comments, regardless of the banter that proliferates between a few of us. Besides, if there was more participation from guys choosing to visit Monterrey, there would be less banter to fill the board. Those of us that participate in the banter would be busy replying with opinions and commentary stemming from those questions and comments.

Frankly, with the current level of participation on the Monterrey board, if it were not for the banter, I suspect the board would probably die completely. I know I would probably lose interest in checking the board for lack of postings. At least with the banter, the board is still alive, and the newbies know who they can go to.

I speculate that without the banter, there would be nothing to check for months on end.[/QUOTE]

USB is correct... we don't post cause we know the way.
And really, mostly nothing has changed here in MTY... business as usuall.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]The problem is, we need more guys to participate by posting questions, comments, and/or reports.

There is nothing to keep anyone from posting their reports, questions, comments, regardless of the banter that proliferates between a few of us. Besides, if there was more participation from guys choosing to visit Monterrey, there would be less banter to fill the board. Those of us that participate in the banter would be busy replying with opinions and commentary stemming from those questions and comments.

Frankly, with the current level of participation on the Monterrey board, if it were not for the banter, I suspect the board would probably die completely. I know I would probably lose interest in checking the board for lack of postings. At least with the banter, the board is still alive, and the newbies know who they can go to.

I speculate that without the banter, there would be nothing to check for months on end.[/QUOTE]

And mainly, many guys read the posts, but don't pass along their experience here in Monterrey, nor ask questions.
Some do, but others just follow what we point out here in the forum....
This is not exclusive of this site, it has happened at the other Forums I post in.



[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]USB is correct... we don't post cause we know the way.
And really, mostly nothing has changed here in MTY... business as usuall.[/QUOTE]

WOWWWW! $800 pesos per night for PDA? That's approximately $73 US Dollars per night. The accomodations are not worth that price. I saw the improvements they've austensibly made to the rooms, and they are not significant whatsoever. I used to pay, probably not over one year ago, in the range of $52/night, with tax included.

They just put some brightly colored quilts, and some brightly colored art work on the walls in the rooms, that's it. Even the crappy indoor/outdoor carpet is the same...no padding underneath or anything. I think the Safi was close in price, maybe only $15-$20 more per night. But, of course, the Safi has some very pertinent limitations. However, the Saft IS actually a luxury hotel at relatively inexpensive prices. The PDA is nothing close to the Safi in comfort and luxuriousness. The Safi also has a first class restaurant as well. The other thing I dislike immensely about the PDA is that it's really, really noisy unless you get a room on the interior hallway. If you stay in a room around the perimeter of the hotel, it will keep you up all night long. I don't mind stayin up all night long if I am being adequately entertained >:-) but not when I am trying to actually sleep. The bus noise from the street will keep you totally awake until 3-4am, especially during weeknights when the busses seem to run later.

The Best Western on the South side of Madero, East of PDA several blocks, might be a better alternative to PDA for the money. It was more comfortable than PDA, quieter, etc...Of course, Carlos told me that there were problems bringing girls in there now because of the recent scandal there involving a minor provider. I should test it out again sometime just to see for sure what the status is. I believe the rate there was around $57-$58 per night last time I stayed there, last year sometime. Plus, their restaurant is significantly better than the restaurant at PDA. But, to my knowledge, they have never upgraded to wireless internet...just a couple of connected computers in the lobby.

The Fifth Avenida across the street from the Best Western is also a hotel that I've wanted to test out. They are cheaper, maybe like around $40/night, not sure. But, one time I did check out their rooms and they appear relatively clean, but possibly less comfortable, springy beds, hard uncarpeted floors, etc...I just never really wanted to step down quite that much with respect to comfort, so I've put it off. Their restaurant also seems relatively adequate as well. I remember touring the room, and the noticing that the TV is mounted on one of those wall mounted brackets, and there wasn't any desk in the room that I recall seeing. Plus, they have no internet access that I'm aware of. So, for the business traveler, they wouldn't really be adequate. That's another reason I put off trying them out. I am not necessarily one to avoid roughing it a little to save a buck. But, when it comes to needing certain amenities to conduct business, I haven't much of a choice.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]USB lose interest in this board? Not a chance in hell. We all know USB 'loves' to read and post here regardless of the subject.

But seriously, USB is a well educated down to earth dude. A good friend to have and is trust worthy. Besides all that, he has acquired decent life lessons in all subjects and will read and reply to any subject.

Back to the PDA: USB, you obviously have not entered the PDA lately. Their rate is $800/night and the place is always full. They have recently renovated the entire hotels including every single room. Still not a 5-star hotel and not even a 3-star, but it's clean, comfortable and, most important, accommodating.

The walk of shame, you said? You would think that after doing it for 2 years, one might become thick-skinned to the 'shame'. But no, it gets worse. Every time I walk in with a girl, I am more and more ashamed than the previous time. It does not get better, it get more embarrassing that I look forward to the night that I return girl-less and proud of it because I took care of business at the club.

Mr. "L" commented a couple of times: "I wonder what they think we're up to when we go out". My answer was: 'I wonder what think of us when they 'know' what we are up to when we go out". I mean, think of it, we leave around 6 pm and come back around 9 or 11 with a couple of girls, different ones every night. Then on Fridays, 4 or 5 girls come over to the hotel (after their shift) and we all go out only to return at 5 AM with even more girls. Last time I had to get 2 extra rooms to accommodate all the girls we had. You still 'wonder' if they know?

Now imagine us all at the hotel restaurant having breakfast. 6 girls and 2 men. The oldest girl was probably 22 y/o and I have grey hair. I spent most of the time telling the girls to husshhhhhh. They were all hung over and giggling like little high-school girls. My "X" girl asked for beer with her breakfast.

Love Monterrey

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WOWWWW! $800 pesos per night for PDA? That's approximately $73 US Dollars per night. The accomodations are not worth that price. I saw the improvements they've austensibly made to the rooms, and they are not significant whatsoever. I used to pay, probably not over one year ago, in the range of $52/night, with tax included.

They just put some brightly colored quilts, and some brightly colored art work on the walls in the rooms, that's it. Even the crappy indoor/outdoor carpet is the same...no padding underneath or anything. I think the Safi was close in price, maybe only $15-$20 more per night. But, of course, the Safi has some very pertinent limitations. However, the Saft IS actually a luxury hotel at relatively inexpensive prices. The PDA is nothing close to the Safi in comfort and luxuriousness. The Safi also has a first class restaurant as well. The other thing I dislike immensely about the PDA is that it's really, really noisy unless you get a room on the interior hallway. If you stay in a room around the perimeter of the hotel, it will keep you up all night long. I don't mind stayin up all night long if I am being adequately entertained >:-) but not when I am trying to actually sleep. The bus noise from the street will keep you totally awake until 3-4am, especially during weeknights when the busses seem to run later.

The Best Western on the South side of Madero, East of PDA several blocks, might be a better alternative to PDA for the money. It was more comfortable than PDA, quieter, etc...Of course, Carlos told me that there were problems bringing girls in there now because of the recent scandal there involving a minor provider. I should test it out again sometime just to see for sure what the status is. I believe the rate there was around $57-$58 per night last time I stayed there, last year sometime. Plus, their restaurant is significantly better than the restaurant at PDA. But, to my knowledge, they have never upgraded to wireless internet...just a couple of connected computers in the lobby.

The Fifth Avenida across the street from the Best Western is also a hotel that I've wanted to test out. They are cheaper, maybe like around $40/night, not sure. But, one time I did check out their rooms and they appear relatively clean, but possibly less comfortable, springy beds, hard uncarpeted floors, etc...I just never really wanted to step down quite that much with respect to comfort, so I've put it off. Their restaurant also seems relatively adequate as well. I remember touring the room, and the noticing that the TV is mounted on one of those wall mounted brackets, and there wasn't any desk in the room that I recall seeing. Plus, they have no internet access that I'm aware of. So, for the business traveler, they wouldn't really be adequate. That's another reason I put off trying them out. I am not necessarily one to avoid roughing it a little to save a buck. But, when it comes to needing certain amenities to conduct business, I haven't much of a choice.[/QUOTE]

No, The PDA does ot compare to the Safi. Correct USB. Safe is top class and I understand it is also family owned and maybe operated (?).

The PDA renovated every single room from fresh paint, newer bathroom floors and showers, although the may have let come of construction material run into the drainage to shower floods and runs over to the outside leaving your bathroom entrance with wet carpet. But hey, I am not complaining.

Street traffic is definitely loud. Somehow when you're knocked out from the day’s activities, you will sleep through it. I do.

I will plan a long weekend soon. Let me check with work status. We have major fire drills going own with big accounts and I am on the phone 11 hours a day. Once things are more stable, I am out and down in MTY.

One of my girls got me a girl to play with. Carlos say's she's hot. I want to feel the heat and decide if I can go on.

OK, my mind is starting to shut down. Been a long couple of weeks.

Wasted


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...[/QUOTE]

Does the girl think she owns you and you are there for her and only her?

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her?

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there.

2) If she see you going up with another, get gets mad unes you ak her to come along.

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else?

And how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? How many promise they only bb us while I know for a fact they bb many others?

And how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when I’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? Still they deny it?

And my favorite: "When you have sex, you are paying. But when I have sex, I'm getting paid. Who's the smart one now?"

And last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?

Lesson: Never trust a word they say. Or am I Wong?

Wasted

Never pay attention to what they say, but thread carfully when walking into quicksand...


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Does the girl think she owns you and you are there for her and only her?

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her?

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there.

2) If she see you going up with another, get gets mad unes you ak her to come along.

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else?

And how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? How many promise they only bb us while I know for a fact they bb many others?

And how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when I’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? Still they deny it?

And my favorite: "When you have sex, you are paying. But when I have sex, I'm getting paid. Who's the smart one now?"

And last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?

Lesson: Never trust a word they say. Or am I Wong?

Wasted[/QUOTE]

What chain of events prompted your comments WastedG? Doooooo Tell. I am always interested in the specific details. And...Lord knows that the board could use an influx of detailed bar girl drama right about now. It has been months since my posting of the Angry Girl fiasco. I have been otherwise pretty happy since.

But, Carlos, with respect to treading lightly into Quicksand....better to avoid the Quicksand altogether, verdad?

WastedG, we are safer at home than we are in Monterrey. Everytime I travel to Monterrey, I realize the risks: Emotional, Health, Family, Business, Personal Goals and Ambitions, Family Time....everything seems to take a back seat to Monterrey, at least everything is arranged around eventually getting back there.

But, in spite of my apparent foolishness with these girls month to month, I am growing older and wiser. My goal is to ultimately have control of the beast, but it's slow in coming...maybe when I am ninety-five anos, assuming I live through it all :-)


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Does the girl think she owns you and you are there for her and only her?

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her?

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there.

2) If she see you going up with another, get gets mad unes you ak her to come along.

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else?

And how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? How many promise they only bb us while I know for a fact they bb many others?

And how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when I’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? Still they deny it?

And my favorite: "When you have sex, you are paying. But when I have sex, I'm getting paid. Who's the smart one now?"

And last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?

Lesson: Never trust a word they say. Or am I Wong?

Wasted[/QUOTE]

reference comment #3, what's a "boto" ?

i have been called a flirt..."coqueta!!!!" mostly by the "r" girl, hahaha. but, she had her chance and she blew it. she is too busy, she cut-out early on me one time when on salida, and she now has fake boobs (i like naturales, but her fakes aren't bad actually). anyway, i like her a lot still, and not for any other reasons necessarily other than i like her. oh, she is hot too, but there are a lot of hot girl options. but, personality, fun, funny, and hot are attributes that usually are not wrapped up into one little chica. but, i do not take her on salida anymore...just friends.

by the way, i did not see the "r" girl working at el infinito the entire week i was in town last month, nor was she seemingly around the place on my prior visit. i probably haven't seen her for maybe two months. what gives??? anybody know???

with respect to girls telling me they do nothing in the privados. i, of course, have one in particular that pulled that on me and it pissed me off...angry girl, of course, comes to mind.

last time i was in town i was in the privados talking to "g,"....yes, talking only, which is my usual routine. anyway, angry girl started to sit down with a client across from me. when she saw i was directly across from her, she immediately pulled the dude up from his seat and took him off to another booth, where i couldn't see her performing her obligations.

then later, after i had left the club, wastedg tells me she was asking where i was. i don't know if she is simply wanting to avoid me catching her in the act of "lying," wanting to know where i am at all times, or whether she is starting to soften her attitude toward me.

i assume the former because when i went back to el infinito later in the week. i was sitting close to where she was standing, and she knew i was right there, but taking great pains to ignore me completely. i even looked at her a couple of times to gauge her reaction to me..... but nothing!

but, interestingly, in all prior circumstances where i have been at the club, she has seemingly made a conscious effort to walk to the far side of the club to avoid seeing me. but, this time, she stood close to me, paying no attention to me, but remaining close by. i noticed that change in her methodology. perhaps this trip will reveal an interersting turn of events...or not...no matter, but it is an interesting twist.

wastedg said,

"how many promise they only bb us while i know for a fact they bb many others?"

this may be true to an extent, but i doubt it is true that they bare back too many others. the girls run a huge risk of being fired were they to contract a disease. they have weekly health checks, checks that if they test postive for something, they are out of a job.

most of the girls are pretty damned calculating about their jobs, and while i am sure they bareback other guys on occassion, i think most of them are probably pretty protective of their jobs. if they are barebacking you, i assume they must trust (love/lust for) you pretty much. i would consider it a relatively sincere form of trust, lust, and affection on their parts because the risk to them is huge in all respects.

females are much more susceptible to hiv and stds, and the chances they will catch an std are very high if they choose to "bb" too often. frankly, most of the girls working in the clubs seem like they would have little need to bareback us, or to even have sex at all with us, even if they are legitimately fond of us, even to the extent of loving us to death. with the frequency at which they engage in sex on a daily basis in the privados, i would think sex is the last thing on their minds. so, imho, for them to permit you to "bb" them is kind of sweet.

most of them will not risk it otherwise. there simply isn't usually enough time between health checks to develop a symptom of an std, and they would have to be on a constant regimen of antibotics, antibiotics that are different for a number of different stds. they would literally have to ingest at least three different antibiotics to combat most std's. so, taking the precautionary antibiotic cocktail for them, is not really practical. it is also relatively unsafe, and probably, over time, potentially ineffective if they do it continuually as a stop gag measure to avoid contracting an std from multiple partners.

i remember my girl over at el cielo was the only girl that tested postitive for something a couple of months ago. it does happen on occassion. every once in a while you will hear of girls that have lost their jobs as a result. so, most of the girls i know are pretty protective of that potential risk, and can not afford to lose their jobs for a momentary indiscretion. but, in her case, "a" girl at el cielo i mean, the fact that she caught something does not surprise me. she was an absolute nymphomaniac.

"a" girl was so much fun, sexually. being with her was like being a porn star in a movie. i suspected it would only be a matter of time before she would not be working there due to disease issues. it simply is too difficult for them, with weekly checks, to anticipate that they have a problem. plus, many stds, will continue on in the body with no symptoms for weeks on end.

wastedg said,

"when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?"

that is a curious statement for them to make. i have had girls tell me that they do it for their kids, for their family, because they want to buy a house, because they want to fund a legitimate business, etc...i think in their minds, they believe their own reasoning, and they have justified their jobs in their own minds as legitimate. in most cases, when you consider the extremely low wages they would otherwise earn were they not strippers and hookers, i am not too sure i would have the strength of character to do otherwise myself were i in their shoes.

a curious subject that carlos and i have discussed a number of times is how some of the girls, because they are physically in a place of business, such as the obsession or prestige, believe that by being there, they are legitimized, and not in the same category as a hooker.

one girl comes to mind. remember the "k" girl at prestige. she once said when we were talking about prostitution, that how "being a prostitute must be an awful existence," and how she is glad she isn't one of those. the younger generation does not view their jobs as being common prostitutes. most of them view their jobs as being entertainers and hostesses. they don't seem to be able to come to the personal realization that they are actually hookers. this is a characteristic that carlos and i began to notice relatively recently in the younger generation of girls.

but, if you press them on whether their friends and family know what they do, most of them will tell you, with a definite look of worry in their eyes, that their friends and family would be totally mortified were they to find out what they do to earn a living. so, there are still just as many of them that realize they are nothing more than hookers. but, i am convinced that most of them are so screwed up, and so delusional moment to moment, that they would not really know the truth were it to hit them square in the face.

and, the important point of all this is that the girls, therefore, have an attitude toward us, as a result of their delusions, an attitude that empowers them to act very independently toward us. i have noticed a significant air of independence from the younger generation, one that suggests they do not see themselves as prostitutes, but as employees on the job. many of the girls see us as the privileged, and themselves as "professionally competant actresses," or "benovolent angels of mercy."

to many of them, they are just doing their jobs, jobs that they almost see as legitimate as working in a factory, oxxo, or wherever, except they are too embarrassed to tell anybody about it. being employed exempts them, in their own minds only of course, from any responsibility for what they do. but, they still realize the social stigma attached to it, but they've justified it in their own minds.

their delusions must somehow insulate them from the social stigma that they would apparently feel psychologically otherwise were they just freelance hookers. i also think that to many of them, the end, mucho dinero in comparison to all their peers, justifies almost anything they do. hence the statement "when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?." they see themselves as smarter than their peers, regardless of the extent to which they conduct themselves immorally.

the girls place no value on their morality as long as they are performing their jobs. all their attention is based on raising themselves up in a society that is stacked against them, especially with respect to the darkness of their skin, and their ethnicity. i don't say these things to criticize any one society, or to somehow believe i am above them morally, because clearly, i am not. fact is, my personal opinion is that we "johns" are not so different from our "hookers" if we are really going to be truthful with ourselves.

the one thing that wastedg did not mention in his list of grievences, are the girls that claim the money is "no importa." i have only found one girl in mty that i might believe that about, and that is with significant skepticism even at that. i have sooooo many of them tell me the money doesn not matter, and they will go with me free. most of them are full of baloney. but, there have been a few that have delivered on their claims. but, over time, most of them decide they are in it to make money, and things eventually fall apart if you choose to make freebies a regular routine.

i must admit that i have tested a few of them, just to see if they are full of baloney or not. most of them have delivered on their claims. but, in the long run, i always try to pay them something, either in a discounted amount, or in regalos where there is some value attached to them making the effort. they are not too terribly different than legitimate girlfriends and wives in that regard.

trophies, and/or the numbers of girls we can have, etc...are our measuring stick of success. money and gifts are their measuring stick. and, that applies to hookers as well as legitimate girlfriends and wives. however, it must be said that legitimate girl friends and wives make significantly more sincere effort at actually pleasing us for legitimately felt reasons of course.

if you can find a favorite hooker that has some legitimately felt emotions for you, along with providing her with the psychologically motivating financial incentives, it's a pretty nice arrangement for those of us that take a reprieve from our everyday, routine, and otherwise relatively boring lives by visiting the clubs.

[quote=wastedgman] 3) if she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto.

and how man girls tell us they only do this and that with us and no one else? how many promise they only bb us while i know for a fact they bb many others?

and how many tell us they do not have sex upstairs when i’ve seem then while setting across the booth from them providing the full service? still they deny it?

and my favorite: "when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?"

and last, if you answer back that she does the same thing going from one man to another, she claims it her job, not mine?wasted[/quote]

you've been called "coqueto" (coqueta aplies to girls)... but in that instance they are not using the word a flirt but as a guy that just goes for any girl.
i know cause i have been called that and many other adjectives.
r girl is working at el cielo right now. and sorry to tell you, but r girl is so good in faking it....

"this may be true to an extent, but i doubt it is true that they bare back too many others."
i am so dissapointed that this comment keeps coming back to the board.
i have not bb a working girl since the late 80's and iam not planning to do it in the near future.
why? i have 2 takes on this.
1. and i want to stress that i do not want to offend anyone from any country coming down here, but many visitors to this city are coming down here thinking in the same terms of sea, that monterrey is rich in pristine pussy. and i do know a couple of guys from another forum that posted that "monterrey is the bb capital of mexico". worse part is that the girls stupidly think that these nonmexicans are "cleaner" than us locals. and wow, are they mistaken. me, i just can't go open my mouth and tell them that the guy you just saw and bb you, just came from an extensive tour of sea and i read what this guy just did. this is not a question if the girls do or do not bb you. it is a matter who bb thems when you do not see.
ps on #1... you guys think that i have never been proposed to do it sans condom by the girls??? of course they have!!!

2. again, the same old song. you guys do not see the kind of trash the girls mess with. i liked one of the i place girls a lot (from a distance), but one day i found out who her boyfriend was: the guy that sells candy and nuts from bar to bar. you think iam gonna touch that girl now... nope!


[quote=unospongebob]reference comment #3, what's a "boto" ?

i have been called a flirt..."coqueta!!!!" mostly by the "r" girl, hahaha. but, she had her chance and she blew it. she is too busy, she cut-out early on me one time when on salida, and she now has fake boobs (i like naturales, but her fakes aren't bad actually). anyway, i like her a lot still, and not for any other reasons necessarily other than i like her. oh, she is hot too, but there are a lot of hot girl options. but, personality, fun, funny, and hot are attributes that usually are not wrapped up into one little chica. but, i do not take her on salida anymore...just friends.

by the way, i did not see the "r" girl working at el infinito the entire week i was in town last month, nor was she seemingly around the place on my prior visit. i probably haven't seen her for maybe two months. what gives??? anybody know???

with respect to girls telling me they do nothing in the privados. i, of course, have one in particular that pulled that on me and it pissed me off...angry girl, of course, comes to mind.

last time i was in town i was in the privados talking to "g,"....yes, talking only, which is my usual routine. anyway, angry girl started to sit down with a client across from me. when she saw i was directly across from her, she immediately pulled the dude up from his seat and took him off to another booth, where i couldn't see her performing her obligations.

then later, after i had left the club, wastedg tells me she was asking where i was. i don't know if she is simply wanting to avoid me catching her in the act of "lying," wanting to know where i am at all times, or whether she is starting to soften her attitude toward me.

i assume the former because when i went back to el infinito later in the week. i was sitting close to where she was standing, and she knew i was right there, but taking great pains to ignore me completely. i even looked at her a couple of times to gauge her reaction to me..... but nothing!

but, interestingly, in all prior circumstances where i have been at the club, she has seemingly made a conscious effort to walk to the far side of the club to avoid seeing me. but, this time, she stood close to me, paying no attention to me, but remaining close by. i noticed that change in her methodology. perhaps this trip will reveal an interersting turn of events...or not...no matter, but it is an interesting twist.

wastedg said,

"how many promise they only bb us while i know for a fact they bb many others?"

this may be true to an extent, but i doubt it is true that they bare back too many others. the girls run a huge risk of being fired were they to contract a disease. they have weekly health checks, checks that if they test postive for something, they are out of a job.

most of the girls are pretty damned calculating about their jobs, and while i am sure they bareback other guys on occassion, i think most of them are probably pretty protective of their jobs. if they are barebacking you, i assume they must trust (love/lust for) you pretty much. i would consider it a relatively sincere form of trust, lust, and affection on their parts because the risk to them is huge in all respects.

females are much more susceptible to hiv and stds, and the chances they will catch an std are very high if they choose to "bb" too often. frankly, most of the girls working in the clubs seem like they would have little need to bareback us, or to even have sex at all with us, even if they are legitimately fond of us, even to the extent of loving us to death. with the frequency at which they engage in sex on a daily basis in the privados, i would think sex is the last thing on their minds. so, imho, for them to permit you to "bb" them is kind of sweet.

most of them will not risk it otherwise. there simply isn't usually enough time between health checks to develop a symptom of an std, and they would have to be on a constant regimen of antibotics, antibiotics that are different for a number of different stds. they would literally have to ingest at least three different antibiotics to combat most std's. so, taking the precautionary antibiotic cocktail for them, is not really practical. it is also relatively unsafe, and probably, over time, potentially ineffective if they do it continuually as a stop gag measure to avoid contracting an std from multiple partners.

i remember my girl over at el cielo was the only girl that tested postitive for something a couple of months ago. it does happen on occassion. every once in a while you will hear of girls that have lost their jobs as a result. so, most of the girls i know are pretty protective of that potential risk, and can not afford to lose their jobs for a momentary indiscretion. but, in her case, "a" girl at el cielo i mean, the fact that she caught something does not surprise me. she was an absolute nymphomaniac.

"a" girl was so much fun, sexually. being with her was like being a porn star in a movie. i suspected it would only be a matter of time before she would not be working there due to disease issues. it simply is too difficult for them, with weekly checks, to anticipate that they have a problem. plus, many stds, will continue on in the body with no symptoms for weeks on end.

wastedg said,

"when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?"

that is a curious statement for them to make. i have had girls tell me that they do it for their kids, for their family, because they want to buy a house, because they want to fund a legitimate business, etc...i think in their minds, they believe their own reasoning, and they have justified their jobs in their own minds as legitimate. in most cases, when you consider the extremely low wages they would otherwise earn were they not strippers and hookers, i am not too sure i would have the strength of character to do otherwise myself were i in their shoes.

a curious subject that carlos and i have discussed a number of times is how some of the girls, because they are physically in a place of business, such as the obsession or prestige, believe that by being there, they are legitimized, and not in the same category as a hooker.

one girl comes to mind. remember the "k" girl at prestige. she once said when we were talking about prostitution, that how "being a prostitute must be an awful existence," and how she is glad she isn't one of those. the younger generation does not view their jobs as being common prostitutes. most of them view their jobs as being entertainers and hostesses. they don't seem to be able to come to the personal realization that they are actually hookers. this is a characteristic that carlos and i began to notice relatively recently in the younger generation of girls.

but, if you press them on whether their friends and family know what they do, most of them will tell you, with a definite look of worry in their eyes, that their friends and family would be totally mortified were they to find out what they do to earn a living. so, there are still just as many of them that realize they are nothing more than hookers. but, i am convinced that most of them are so screwed up, and so delusional moment to moment, that they would not really know the truth were it to hit them square in the face.

and, the important point of all this is that the girls, therefore, have an attitude toward us, as a result of their delusions, an attitude that empowers them to act very independently toward us. i have noticed a significant air of independence from the younger generation, one that suggests they do not see themselves as prostitutes, but as employees on the job. many of the girls see us as the privileged, and themselves as "professionally competant actresses," or "benovolent angels of mercy."

to many of them, they are just doing their jobs, jobs that they almost see as legitimate as working in a factory, oxxo, or wherever, except they are too embarrassed to tell anybody about it. being employed exempts them, in their own minds only of course, from any responsibility for what they do. but, they still realize the social stigma attached to it, but they've justified it in their own minds.

their delusions must somehow insulate them from the social stigma that they would apparently feel psychologically otherwise were they just freelance hookers. i also think that to many of them, the end, mucho dinero in comparison to all their peers, justifies almost anything they do. hence the statement "when you have sex, you are paying. but when i have sex, i'm getting paid. who's the smart one now?." they see themselves as smarter than their peers, regardless of the extent to which they conduct themselves immorally.

the girls place no value on their morality as long as they are performing their jobs. all their attention is based on raising themselves up in a society that is stacked against them, especially with respect to the darkness of their skin, and their ethnicity. i don't say these things to criticize any one society, or to somehow believe i am above them morally, because clearly, i am not. fact is, my personal opinion is that we "johns" are not so different from our "hookers" if we are really going to be truthful with ourselves.

the one thing that wastedg did not mention in his list of grievences, are the girls that claim the money is "no importa." i have only found one girl in mty that i might believe that about, and that is with significant skepticism even at that. i have sooooo many of them tell me the money doesn not matter, and they will go with me free. most of them are full of baloney. but, there have been a few that have delivered on their claims. but, over time, most of them decide they are in it to make money, and things eventually fall apart if you choose to make freebies a regular routine.

i must admit that i have tested a few of them, just to see if they are full of baloney or not. most of them have delivered on their claims. but, in the long run, i always try to pay them something, either in a discounted amount, or in regalos where there is some value attached to them making the effort. they are not too terribly different than legitimate girlfriends and wives in that regard.

trophies, and/or the numbers of girls we can have, etc...are our measuring stick of success. money and gifts are their measuring stick. and, that applies to hookers as well as legitimate girlfriends and wives. however, it must be said that legitimate girl friends and wives make significantly more sincere effort at actually pleasing us for legitimately felt reasons of course.

if you can find a favorite hooker that has some legitimately felt emotions for you, along with providing her with the psychologically motivating financial incentives, it's a pretty nice arrangement for those of us that take a reprieve from our everyday, routine, and otherwise relatively boring lives by visiting the clubs.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...[/QUOTE]
I understand about guys needing

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]I think wasted was wrong in quoting the 800 peso figure.
I saw that price on the bilboard they have at the front desk and I asked the manager "what the hell is that".
He told me that he had changed the numbers cause some provider had filled the hotel with people paying 550 pesos down from a supposedly 800 rack rate.
Soooo that's it...[/QUOTE]
I understand about guys needing internet for business,but only reason to stay in expensive hotels right now in Hotel Mundo 260 pesos it was full last night,stayed in Hotel Encanto,400 pesos,Mundo es todo mejor por 260 pesos,why often full,but for a litlle propina got first avaiable room at 9am next morning.

Well heck, you guys have been complaining about he forum being dull so I decided to bring some of the subject that USB, Calros, Mr. "L" and I discuss in person onto the forum to get it moving again. Although I expected a response, I am shocked at the reaction.

1) She gets mad at you if you buy another girls a drink or if you take another girl upstairs instead of her? (Witnessed this happen to a friend. He knows who he is)

2) Still, she would not mind joining you upstairs with another girl. She may even ask for it or simply pull you up there. (One girl told me she is 1 prevado short of meeting her quota and asked me to buy her one. I told my 'X' girl exactly what happened and told her to wait for me for 4 minutes. On the way to the stairs, I see my 'P' girl. Heck, I fraged her along as well. My 'X' sees me and signals to me that she's gonna kill me, I wave to her to come along, she smiled and joined. They seduced the heck out.

2) If she see you going up with another, she gets mad unless you ask her to come along. (from point # 1)

3) If she's up stairs servicing another mofu and see you up there with another girl, she starts yelling out your name calling you boto. (I was with 2 girls, My 'X' girl was being done by a dude. When the girls yelled out 'otro', the also yelled out my name. my 'X' hears my name and goes crazy because I am with another girl. Wait a minute. You're getting screwed and mad at me for screwing?

4) She gets angry if you take out another girl instead of her yet does not mind coming along as a 3rd wheel. (My 'P' girl asked me to take her out and expressed sadness for taking out other girls. I asked her come along with another girl. No problem.

Does this is all add up to one thing? Money that she is entitled to is now going to someone else? (Yes, We all know the equation. Money, money, money

So you see, nothing happened. I was just blabbering. Wanted to get the forum moving ..

Wasted





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]What chain of events prompted your comments WastedG? Doooooo Tell. I am always interested in the specific details. And...Lord knows that the board could use an influx of detailed bar girl drama right about now. It has been months since my posting of the Angry Girl fiasco. I have been otherwise pretty happy since.

[/QUOTE]

Iike Carlos siad: In one ear, out of the other. Act like you are intersted in the what they say and be it romantic, be it you ade only one they do this 'special service' with, be it they have kids to feed. But at the end, pay the, tip them, give them $2o for th taxi and they will come back form more. Care for them and reppect the human in them. But they move on to the next one. I love thier Mexican accent/Language.I tell myself how louky I am to have an 18 or 20 y/o girl in my room ready to sex me up.

I have a great time at the Infinito with 5 girls around me downing bears like there is no tomorrow. Expensive yeah, but I enjoy them. Then take one or 2 out for deserts at my place or go to the disco. but love? Doubt it.

I asked "J" out at 7 and told the manager to send me "P" in 2 hours. Told her be to spend the while with me. she shows up with her bags ready for the night. "J" never left.

Wasted

Carlos said:

"You've been called "Coqueto" (Coqueta aplies to girls)... but in that instance they are not using the word a flirt but as a guy that just goes for any girl. I know cause I have been called that and many other adjectives.
R girl is working at El Cielo right now. And sorry to tell you, but R girl is so good in faking it...."

Sure, with respect to their use of the word "Coqueto," I realized they are all calling me a "butterfly." Hahaha, as if they are "loyal to us." Fact is, there is probably no word in the English language that means the same thing as the Spanish word. Regardless, at least they are always smiling, or acting out a false anger when they use the word, using it more in a playful sense. They aren't using the word in a hostile manner with me.

With respect to the "R" girl, she is a great actress. But, she is consistently great at her job, with very little discernable evidence of insincerity. I realize she is merely putting on airs to earn more money. But, she is fun and enjoyable in the process, so I give her credit.

But, you are right about one thing. Having known her over the course of several salidas a couple of years ago, and also having known her now for several years, I no longer desire to take her on salida. I find it more enjoyable just bantering with her in the club, perhaps sometimes not even taking her into the privados for months on end.

I can tell that she is disappointed that she is not earning my salida money any more, and she has an almost undiscernable air of melancholy when she is with me on the rare occassions that I do take her in the privados. It's like she realizes that she has lost me as a paying client. It is very difficult to detect this in her demeanor because she is such a good actress, but it is, none-the-less, an "emotion" and "disappointment" that is there.

I don't know if it's legitimate feeling of loss for sentimental reasons, or jealousy that I am skipped over her, or totally financial, or what...I mean, the girl is busy 24/7, whenever she is working, so losing USB as a client is not something that is effecting her income stream. She has sooooooo many clients that the numbers must be staggering. So, I speculate that it's a combination of all reasons I sited, but regardless, I do sense a remorseful kind of sadness in her demeanor, founded in her realization that there is nothing between us, not even financial, when she is with me in the privados.

I did give her a cheap Walmart bottle of Charlie perfume at Christmas, just to be a nice guy, and I instructed her to rub it all over you (Carlos) the next chance she gets-NOT!!! :-)

Anyway, when I gave her this little bottle of perfume, wrapped in festive Christmas paper with a little bow, she looked at me quizically as if to ask, "why me, USB." It was like she had all but given up on my ever taking her on salida again, that she knew we were not seeing each other, and that I was never really patronizing her much. She knew I had lost interest in "That." I just told her it is because she is my friend, and I like her. She just kind of marveled at my statement, thanked me, with a sad look in her eyes, and hugging me tightly, called me her "Amor." hahahaha!!!

Now...with respect to the "bb" comments, barebacking is almost the norm in Asia. I am NOT the individual that Carlos refers to as the "guy who was barebacking in Asia" when talking with the girls because, usually, I do not bareback the girls in Monterrey, nor have I visited Asia for well over a year.

I am in agreement with Carlos, and I DO try to be more responsible these days. But, frankly, there was a time when....well, lets just say there was a time when I was less cautious. My strategy in Asia, if choosing to bareback in the past, was always to choose, and stick with, a lesser number of girls.

My method of operation when choosing to bareback in Asia was always to choose a girl, stay with her for several days, and to limit my "butterflying tendencies." During time when I butterflied, I would always use condoms. But, I must also point out that, over the course of several excursions to Asia myself, I have never contracted a thing. However, I also employed the use of antibiotic cocktails at the appropriate times to mitigate any potential for disaster.

I know a lot of guys that bareback girls in Asia all the time. Barebacking in Asia is more common than not. Most of the guys I know eventually catch something, usually nothing too serious, but it doesn't take long. Most of them are into having "orgy like/porn star" group sex experiences, so their potential for disaster escelates markedly compared to my own former strategy in Asia. My strategy was consciously and calculatingly planned to be significantly more conservative for health reasons already stated, in order to statistically reduce my potential for problems.

But, my personal opinion about barebacking in Monterrey is that, in Monterrey, because of the health requirements in place, if one were foolish enough to bareback them, there is probably no venue on earth where the safety factor is as rigorous, due to their weekly health checks, than in Monterrey. So, to compare Monterrey to Asia is a falicy. They are not comparable venues, not in almost every sense of the word.

In addition, barebacking a girl in Monterrey is infinitely safer than barebacking anything you will find on the streets or in the clubs of the US. There is NO health standard established in the US because everything IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL. Mexico is a much safer venue than the US. Wonders never cease...

These are NOT statements meant to endorse Barebacking...but merely a fact when comparing Worldwide venues. I do NOT advocate barebacking hookers, or even barebacking random girlfriends for that matter.

I see little reason for the girls to assume that just because they are barebacking a guy from the US, that their risk factor is less. I believe they choose to bareback for other reasons, sentimental, affection, sincere sexual desire, and of course, probably the most influential reason of all, to solidify a relationship for future income stream. But, the reasons they choose to permit a client to bareback them don't really matter.

If we are trying to make a point about the foolishness of barebacking them, then I believe the following has to be pointed out...

Whether girls are barebacking "JOHNS" or barebacking the food cart vender on the corner, I see little argument that because of the Mexicanos (class) they are choosing to bareback, versus a decision to bareback a high rolling permiscuous mongering type from San Pedro, they are in any less danger of contracting a disease.

Frankly, I am more concerned with the "mongering hords" that she is potentially barebacking, the ones that enjoy the "orgy like" experiences of multiple venues and muliple women, versus my concern over the waiter, peanut vendor, flower vendor, or food cart vendor she is choosing to bareback.

In other words, I believe that for them, choosing to bareback, with all their oportunity available, it is extremely risky venture regardless of class. For that reason, I believe that most of them DO NOT generally bareback...novios yes, but average clients, no.

If she has a tendency to bareback, then I just see no correlation between her having levels of concern over the class status of the guy she is barebacking when comparing it to the condomless permiscuity of most of the mongers that she might choose to bareback that are just her routine clients.

To me, the "depraved professional mongerer" is as much a health risk, which includes most of the guys coming down to Monterrey from the US, a venue that has NO stop gap health measures established. But, in this sense, maybe Carlos is right, that the girls just don't realize the equality of danger compared to barebacking their novios, and lower class clients.

But, my experience in Monterrey is that MOST of the girls are pretty careful, usually demanding condoms be used. Obviously, the offer to bareback them comes with increased familiarity. But, initially, most of the girls are pretty conservative that way.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]

"This may be true to an extent, but I doubt it is true that they bare back too many others."
I am so dissapointed that this comment keeps coming back to the board.
I have not BB a working girl since the late 80's and Iam not planning to do it in the near future.
Why? I have 2 takes on this.
1. And I want to stress that I do not want to offend anyone from any country coming down here, but many visitors to this city are coming down here thinking in the same terms of SEA, that Monterrey is rich in pristine pussy. And I do know a couple of guys from another forum that posted that "Monterrey is the BB capital of Mexico". Worse part is that the girls stupidly think that these nonMexicans are "cleaner" than us locals. And WOW, are they mistaken. Me, I just can't go open my mouth and tell them that the guy you just saw and BB you, just came from an extensive tour of SEA and I read what this guy just did. This is not a question if the girls do or do not BB you. It is a matter WHO BB thems when you do not see.
PS on #1... you guys think that I have never been proposed to do it sans condom by the girls??? Of course they have!!!

2. Again, the same old song. You guys do not see the kind of trash the girls mess with. I liked one of the I place girls a lot (from a distance), but one day I found out who her boyfriend was: the guy that sells candy and nuts from bar to bar. You think Iam gonna touch that girl now... NOPE![/QUOTE]

USB says: "Now...with respect to the "bb" comments, barebacking is almost the norm in Asia. I am NOT the individual that Carlos refers to as the "guy who was barebacking in Asia" when talking with the girls because, usually, I do not bareback the girls in Monterrey, nor have I visited Asia for well over a year. "

Of course I didn't mean you, I meant someone from another forum.

USB saya: "In addition, barebacking a girl in Monterrey is infinitely safer than barebacking anything you will find on the streets or in the clubs of the US. There is NO health standard established in the US because everything IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL. Mexico is a much safer venue than the US. Wonders never cease."

That is not true and it still, yes still, amazes me how can you (in general, not USB) still see the business as if it exists only when you guys come to Monterrey for a visit.
You are not the only Americans (or Europeans) coming down here. In between your trips (USBs, Wasted, Milljust, Roundtheworld, etc). And the Infinito is not the only club they visit.
As a matter of fact, just yesterday, at the Harem, I found that one of the waiters of the Infinito was acting as a guide for a couple of Americans that paid him to take them around.
And they were paying customers with lots of green bills.
And the girls will always fall for guys with money.
That is what I fear the most and once in a while the rumor always comes around to me that the girls are doing Americans without condoms cause they believe... I don't know, the girls believe anything accompanied by money.
Case in point: My favorite (now in hiatus) at the Matehuala asked me once if I knew the American guy that took girls out, cause he was doing it with them without a condom.
Another one: a former girl from the Obsession was boasting, yes boasting, that he kept her cutomers happy and coming back cause she didn't use a condom (this in general... she had her big male harem going on).
Plus: 2 of my regulars have told me that I could do it without a condom with them cause they trust me (shall I trust them?)... not to mention a third one that wants a baby with me.
Plus bis: one of the girls at the Prestige has a recurring visitor from outside of Mexico. She doesn't boast it, but one of my now gone girls told me that the girl just loves his foreign guy and that they never use a condom.
And...: the high end clubs get the high paying customers from my area of Monterrey (Colonia del Valle) and they never, never use condoms.
May I point out that many of the new genereations of customers and girls are naive. They are really the pitts in education. All of them did not live thru the AIDS crisis as we did.
And since the Mexican media does not carry any STD related news, like statistics or related stuff, they just simply think that it doesn't exist or that it can be cured with a couple of pills.

Let us stand with both our feet firmly planted on the ground: The word "bareback" just can't cross the mind anymore.
That is part of a past long gone, not to come back soon enough for us.


By the way.
Iam not going into the wild and crazy gay and bisexual scene at the AI or the Taboo. Wasted has been witness to this a couple of times.
But just FYI, many of the club girls do double shifts at the gay clubs cause they get payed there high end money for their services.
Think that Iam gonna play Russian Roulette after knowing this???
No sir... Dr. Condom's invention has been my best friend since the late 80's.












[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Carlos said:

"You've been called "Coqueto" (Coqueta aplies to girls)... but in that instance they are not using the word a flirt but as a guy that just goes for any girl. I know cause I have been called that and many other adjectives.
R girl is working at El Cielo right now. And sorry to tell you, but R girl is so good in faking it...."

clients that the numbers must be staggering. So, I speculate that it's a combination of all reasons I sited, but regardless, I do sense a remorseful kind of sadness in her demeanor, founded in her realization that there is nothing between us, not even financial, when she is with me in the privados.

for disaster.

I know a lot of guys that bareback girls in Asia all the time. Barebacking in Asia is more common than not. Most of the guys I know eventually catch something, usually nothing too serious, but it doesn't take long. Most of them are into having "orgy like/porn star" group sex experiences, so their potential for disaster escelates markedly compared to my own former strategy in Asia. My strategy was consciously and calculatingly planned to be significantly more conservative for health reasons already stated, in order to statistically reduce my potential for problems.

But, my personal opinion about barebacking in Monterrey is that, in Monterrey, because of the health requirements in place, if one were foolish enough to bareback them, there is probably no venue on earth where the safety factor is as rigorous, due to their weekly health checks, than in Monterrey. So, to compare Monterrey to Asia is a falicy. They are not comparable venues, not in almost every sense of the word.

In addition, barebacking a girl in Monterrey is infinitely safer than barebacking anything you will find on the streets or in the clubs of the US. There is NO health standard established in the US because everything IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL. Mexico is a much safer venue than the US. Wonders never cease...[/QUOTE]

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, or Vverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I knew I could get more than just a couple of words out of you in the forum if I pushed your HOT button. I enjoyed your analysis. And, YES, you are right, right, right...I agree with you completely.

By the way, just checked the WeatherUnderground site, and it is indeed buena clima in Monterrey now....FINALLY!!!



[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]USB says: "Now...with respect to the "bb" comments, barebacking is almost the norm in Asia. I am NOT the individual that Carlos refers to as the "guy who was barebacking in Asia" when talking with the girls because, usually, I do not bareback the girls in Monterrey, nor have I visited Asia for well over a year. "

Of course I didn't mean you, I meant someone from another forum.

USB saya: "In addition, barebacking a girl in Monterrey is infinitely safer than barebacking anything you will find on the streets or in the clubs of the US. There is NO health standard established in the US because everything IS EXTREMELY ILLEGAL. Mexico is a much safer venue than the US. Wonders never cease."

That is not true and it still, yes still, amazes me how can you (in general, not USB) still see the business as if it exists only when you guys come to Monterrey for a visit.
You are not the only Americans (or Europeans) coming down here. In between your trips (USBs, Wasted, Milljust, Roundtheworld, etc). And the Infinito is not the only club they visit.
As a matter of fact, just yesterday, at the Harem, I found that one of the waiters of the Infinito was acting as a guide for a couple of Americans that paid him to take them around.
And they were paying customers with lots of green bills.
And the girls will always fall for guys with money.
That is what I fear the most and once in a while the rumor always comes around to me that the girls are doing Americans without condoms cause they believe... I don't know, the girls believe anything accompanied by money.
Case in point: My favorite (now in hiatus) at the Matehuala asked me once if I knew the American guy that took girls out, cause he was doing it with them without a condom.
Another one: a former girl from the Obsession was boasting, yes boasting, that he kept her cutomers happy and coming back cause she didn't use a condom (this in general... she had her big male harem going on).
Plus: 2 of my regulars have told me that I could do it without a condom with them cause they trust me (shall I trust them?)... not to mention a third one that wants a baby with me.
Plus bis: one of the girls at the Prestige has a recurring visitor from outside of Mexico. She doesn't boast it, but one of my now gone girls told me that the girl just loves his foreign guy and that they never use a condom.
And...: the high end clubs get the high paying customers from my area of Monterrey (Colonia del Valle) and they never, never use condoms.
May I point out that many of the new genereations of customers and girls are naive. They are really the pitts in education. All of them did not live thru the AIDS crisis as we did.
And since the Mexican media does not carry any STD related news, like statistics or related stuff, they just simply think that it doesn't exist or that it can be cured with a couple of pills.

Let us stand with both our feet firmly planted on the ground: The word "bareback" just can't cross the mind anymore.
That is part of a past long gone, not to come back soon enough for us.


By the way.
Iam not going into the wild and crazy gay and bisexual scene at the AI or the Taboo. Wasted has been witness to this a couple of times.
But just FYI, many of the club girls do double shifts at the gay clubs cause they get payed there high end money for their services.
Think that Iam gonna play Russian Roulette after knowing this???
No sir... Dr. Condom's invention has been my best friend since the late 80's.[/QUOTE]

WastedG,

I never write reports so I doubt you will see much from me...NOT!!!

I will say hello to ALL your lovelies, and convey, in very real, up close and personal terms, your dripping, slobbering, slimmy, disgustingly emotional...amor.

("P" girl???...yeah, uhhhh, ooooooooooooooooohhh, yeah, uhhh, yeah, oooooooooooohhh.......... >:-0 NOT!!! (Don't worry)

If you can break away from the home front, you are welcome to come down and see how a true "pafessssonuuul" does things.

MillJust,

hola, mi amigo...

With respect to cuntilingus and performing same on pros, I speculate that the practice is actually less risky than any other act you could perform on them, not withstanding deep french kissing, a peck on the cheek, shaking hands, etc...Facts are, the risk of STDs from cuntilingus, with the single exception of Herpes, is the least risky of all, certainly less risky than barebacking them.

According to the San Francisco City Clinic, a reknowned resource for all things to do with sex acts of all kinds, and the resulting potential diseases from same, Cuntilingus is extremely safe, even with respect to Herpes, provided there are no sores that might actually come in contact with your own mucus membrane.

This is plainly stated on their website. I always take what I hear about risks with a grain of salt. But, I have to admit, if I were to consult with a sex clinic, the San Franciso City Clinic, amidst all the decadence and depravity of San Francisco, would be one of my first choices. Can you imagine the stuff they must see on a daily basis?

I knew a guy that worked at the Matehuela. He always worked the stairway down to the privados. This guy was from Chicago, a Gringo, a fellow countryman as it were. Anyway, he once told me, very seriously, and with complete disgust and trepedation..."USB, do not kiss them, not ever....I see what they are doing in the privados...I would not kiss them...not ever!!!!" hahhahaha. Pretty funny!







[QUOTE=Wastedgman]That was cool. How much do you think she would charge for a salida?

USB: I understand you are arriving tomorrow the 24th. I want day-by-day report. The good, the bad and the sexy.

Make sure to say hello to my cute little girls and tell every single one of them that I love her. Especially my 'P' girl and 'X' and , well, all of them but don't go any further than that. You touch them and I'll deal with you :-)

Have fun out there. I'm waiting for things to calm down here so I can take a long weekend off and come fix the damage you're gonna leave behind.


Wasted[/QUOTE]

WastedG said..."I think I just lost my appetite."

As Curly (of "The Three Stooges" fame) used to say...

NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just give me a a full bottle of Industrial Strength Lysterine, and get the **** OUT of my way you pussies.

Besides, she is cleaner down there than the surface of the plates in the PDA restaurant.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]LOL - Mill, it used to be so nice, it used to be so good. But now you ruined it for all of us. Yuk. :-)

I think I just lost my appetite.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

USB, you're like what's his face? The captain on Star Trek, Willam Shatner. You'll f*** anything that moves :-)

Beam me up Carlos

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG said..."I think I just lost my appetite."

As Curly (of "The Three Stooges" fame) used to say...

NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just give me a a full bottle of Industrial Strength Lysterine, and get the **** OUT of my way you pussies.

Besides, she is cleaner down there than the surface of the plates in the PDA restaurant.[/QUOTE]

Don't you mean if they don't move fast enough???

>:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) hardy, har, har...

[QUOTE=Wastedgman] You'll f*** anything that moves :-) Wasted[/QUOTE]

I thought that was me!
Paulina at the Infinito said that to me once....


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]USB, you're like what's his face? The captain on Star Trek, Willam Shatner. You'll f*** anything that moves :-)

Beam me up Carlos

Wasted[/QUOTE]

The girls refuese to move from their places... that is why they are easy pickings.
By the way, Julie at the Infi once told me that I would go for a broom with a skirt.
For the first time in my life I realize that the Infinito is a broom factory.
Never noticed.....


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Don't you mean if they don't move fast enough???

>:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) hardy, har, har...[/QUOTE]

Heard you guys up in the States are getting a nice spot of nasty snow storms and cold weather.
Let me tell you the local Monterrey weather report: 85 degrres, sunny, not a cloud in the sky....

Carlos, give us a run down, which club, etc.


Recorren federales bares de Monterrey
Dentro del Operativo NL, agentes de AFI y PFP recorren hoy centros nocturnos de la Ciudad en busca de droga y armas; detienen a tres personas.

You beat me there first.
I was going to post the article. It's in Spanish, but mainly they say that the Federal Police checked the Obsession, Prestige and Premiere.
At the Obsession, and pay close attention, they only caught a waiter with several crack dosis and an American and a dancer with one each.
At the Prestige and the Premiere they found nothing.

Recorren federales
bares de Monterrey
Alejandro Martínez
Monterrey, México (24 febrero 2007).- Al menos unos 50 efectivos de la Agencia Federal de Investigación y de la Policía Federal Preventiva que forman parte del llamado Operativo Nuevo León, realizaron anoche y esta madrugada un recorrido por bares y tables dance del Primer Cuadro de la Ciudad.
En un vistoso convoy de 15 unidades, los federales comenzaron cerca de las 21:00 horas el operativo, en busca principalmente de armas de fuego y droga, que trascendió se mueve en este tipo de lugares.
Encabezados por un Agente del Ministerio Público Federal, quien no proporcionó su nombre, los elementos recorrieron algunos de los más exclusivos centros nocturnos.
Entre los que "visitaron" se encuentra el Obsession, ubicado en el cruce de Guerrero y Luis Mora, en donde lograron la detención del capitán de meseros, identificado sólo como Leonardo, por la portación de varias dosis de cocaína, de las denominadas grapas.
Los policías continuaron revisando a clientes y empleados del lugar, detectando a un ciudadano estadounidense que presuntamente consumía el alcaloide, junto a con una bailarina.
"Bueno aquí más que nada lo que andamos buscando es armas y droga, el empleado tenía varias grapas en su poder, y el gringo y la muchacha estaban poniéndose con otra dosis", comentó un elemento de la AFI.
En este sitio permanecieron unos 20 minutos, para posteriormente dirigirse hacia la Calzada Madero y Edison, en donde llegaron al cabaret Prestige, en donde no se reportó ninguna persona detenida.
Mientras unos 25 efectivos se introducían a los negocios para hacer las revisiones correspondiente, la otra parte del contingente se quedaba afuera para resguardar el área, todos con armas de alto poder y cerrando a la vialidad varios carriles.
Incluso, cuando estaban en el exterior de los centros nocturnos, los policías esporádicamente detenían a vehículos que les parecían sospechosos y hasta un autobús de pasajeros.
Uno de los últimos negocios que fueron checados por los elementos del Operativo Nuevo León fue el table dance llamado Premier, ubicado en el cruce de Ruiz Cortines y Conchello.
En este sitio se reportó que el conductor de una camioneta Explorer color negro, huyó al ver la presencia de los federales sin que se haya logrado su localización.
Aunque no hubo una información oficial, trascendió que los elementos concluyeron el operativo cerca de las 3:30 horas, sin que se reportaran más incidentes o detenidos.


[QUOTE=Bbond]Carlos, give us a run down, which club, etc.


Recorren federales bares de Monterrey
Dentro del Operativo NL, agentes de AFI y PFP recorren hoy centros nocturnos de la Ciudad en busca de droga y armas; detienen a tres personas.[/QUOTE]

Now that the Federales are doing rounds, please carry your ID and nothing else.

Do I need a license for my pocket rocket...it IS a dangerous and deadly weapon, verdad?

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Now that the Federales are doing rounds, please carry your ID and nothing else.[/QUOTE]

Here is a blow by blow, cum shot by cum shot, "porn orgy" report of my exploits last night, and my plans for Sunday...Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!

Amor is definitely in the air...but,

the air is seperated by 100's of miles.

Both my flights yesterday were cancelled. When they cancelled the second flight, after having driven an hour each way to get there each time, I was not optomistic that the third flight they were wanting to book me on would actually fly.

They had already cancelled the flight from Dallas to Laredo, and I wasn't sure I would be able to make it all the way down to Laredo after connecting in Dallas. There was only one flight left yesterday night between Dallas and Laredo, and that one arrived in Laredo so late, not to mention to potential that it too might be cancelled, that I decided I didn't want to waste my hotel funds on a stay in the fair city of Dallas, so I opted out. The weather here and in Dallas was really bad yesterday. There were very high winds in both locations, and the storm system that was in the central US was grounding flight everywhere.

I just decided to rebook it for Monday. I will spend Sunday on the home front, which is fine with me. I always enjoy my weekends here at home anyway. I have a routine on the weekends here when I am in town that I enjoy, going out for lunch and dinner, time to work out, computer time, etc...so, I am perfectly content with the circumstances at this juncture.

American Airlines sucks the Big One!!! They did not call to notify me that both flights had been cancelled until I had driven to the airport, checked in, and then learned shortly after checkin that the flights had been cancelled. They only saw fit to call me for the first cancellation, literally only calling me 45 minutes prior to the flight's scheduled departure. BASTARDS!!!! :-)

So, while I was initially pissed at the circumstances, and the effort that I had gone through yesterday in trying to catch a flight out, upon calm reflection, I decided that I would have preferred to arrive Monday night anyway. As you know, I don't particularly care for weekend nights in the clubs. So, arriving Monday night is preferable to me.

Fact is, I would have initially booked my flight, if the fare and schedule had been better, probably for Sunday. But, the fares were better on Saturday for some reason back in October when I booked the original flight.

Many times I have booked for a Sunday in the past, which is a perfectly fine day in the clubs as well, even though they are sometimes a little understaffed. But, otherwise I like Sundays because the girls are less distracted by the hords of Mexicanos in the clubs. The girls are typically much more available for a cut-rate, USB "cheapo," long time salida.

But, in this instance, when I went to rebook the flight, had I taken Sunday's flight, I would have arrived in MTY around 1am after catching a bus out of Laredo around 10:30pm.

I just decided that 1am, at least for this old man ;-), is just a little too late to be getting started. So, I figured that to be arriving that late in Monterrey is just a waste of funds (ie: the hotel room cost.). Plus, I also realized that if I arrived that late, "G" would have been long gone from the Infinito and on her bus enroute to her Casa, a couple of hours away. So, Monday was much more preferable. I expect to arrive Monday night around 10pm if there are no delays with the flight this time.

As for "G" we were texting back an forth last night so I could let her know my circumstances. She seemed disappointed that I would not be making it, asking me "por que, corazon? :-(" But, she said she would be dutifully waiting for me to arrive on Monday night. But, I do NOT feel sorry for her, as I am sure she probably got her share of sex in the privados, right??? hahahaha :-)

Unfortuantely for her, she is looking for much more than sex, or money, and she will have to demean herself in the privados Saturday and Sunday night without the actual relief she is looking for.

She wants a healthy measure of actual USB amor and emotional nurturing, all of which I will provide her in exchange for the most heart-felt GFE "SEXCAPADE" one could hope for.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Wit your G girl? Love is in the air or what?

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I too was in one of the raids at El Infinito. Fortunately, I had nothing on me, no pocket rockets, no viagra/cialis to explain, etc...Nothing. I was actually searched in the privados upstairs.

At first, I didn't really understand what was going on when she jumped up and left abruptly, wondering, "well, WTF have I done to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] one of them off now." But, then I noticed all the girls at the same time filtering out of the privados.

Eventually, the cops came into the privados, and began searching. There weren't really enough cops to search everyone at once, so I got an opportunity to stand and watch the proceedings for a few minutes before they actually got to me. It would have given me plenty of time to discard any contraband that I might have had, were I that type of individual that would have contraband, which I am not. However, the possession of viagra and or cialis IS sometimes something I will have on my person. I don't think it would necessarily be treated as contraband officially, but unofficially, they have no real way of determining what the pill actually is, so the potential for renegade shakedowns, unless you have your labeled, valid prescription bottle on you, is probably pretty high.

I played the "Dumb Gringo" quite well...

I know what you are thinking...

(What do you mean "played" ??? Hardy har har...haha :-)...You Bastards),

Anyway...I told him I didn't understand any Spanish, and "acted" convincingly. Anyway, the officer spoke to me in broken Ingles. I was completely cooperative of course, and he concluded his search and everything was back to normal relatively quickly.

I have actually witnessed several raids. Several times, I have seen the police vans starting to pull up to the club while I am walking to the club on the street. When I see that, I just opt out. I usually turn around and head to one of the other clubs, just to avoid the delay, which is really quite short anyway, but who wants to tempt fate.

Anyway, I have never witnessed them conduct a raid on a week night. I am sure there must be exceptions, and that it must occur on occassion. But, in five years, I have never witnessed it.

It's just another reason I like week nights in the clubs. Everything is just a little more tranquil and laid back, plus the girls are more easily available for long-time negotiations at USB bargain basement prices.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I was a witness to a raid last time I was at the Infinito:

As I arrived at the club, before I entered, I noticed about 7 police SUV's and vans driving by with lights on and looking pretty. Entered the club 10:30 PM. The line up just started. Then all of a sudden, the DJ says something and all the girls start coming off the stage and running up to their dressing rooms and lockers. Within seconds, a ton, and I mean a ton of police or whatever they were entered the club along with female officers as well. Lights turned on. Was shocking to see the club with lights on. The female officers went up stairs and the ton male officers started searching every single person in the club. One waiter was called over. As I looked to where he was going, I see all the waiters lined up against the wall being searched. All the customers setting at the stage were asked to empty their pockets. They had guns and some had machine guns. It was like watching a movie.

I did not feel scared or threatened at anytime. But I felt concerned for the girls because ... (ain't saying nothing).

I saw a couple of officers walking around looking at the floors and under the tables. A very interesting experience to live through for a foreigner.

After 20 minutes, one officer blew a whistle, which I think it meant retreat, and all left without taking anyone.

The crowd cheered and the girls were back on stage and I was having my privado as if nothing had happened.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Your flights were cancelled and AA didn't tell you?
Wow! Welcome to Mexico....


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Here is a blow by blow, cum shot by cum shot, "porn orgy" report of my exploits last night, and my plans for Sunday...Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!

Amor is definitely in the air...but,

the air is seperated by 100's of miles.

Both my flights yesterday were cancelled. When they cancelled the second flight, after having driven an hour each way to get there each time, I was not optomistic that the third flight they were wanting to book me on would actually fly.

They had already cancelled the flight from Dallas to Laredo, and I wasn't sure I would be able to make it all the way down to Laredo after connecting in Dallas. There was only one flight left yesterday night between Dallas and Laredo, and that one arrived in Laredo so late, not to mention to potential that it too might be cancelled, that I decided I didn't want to waste my hotel funds on a stay in the fair city of Dallas, so I opted out. The weather here and in Dallas was really bad yesterday. There were very high winds in both locations, and the storm system that was in the central US was grounding flight everywhere.

I just decided to rebook it for Monday. I will spend Sunday on the home front, which is fine with me. I always enjoy my weekends here at home anyway. I have a routine on the weekends here when I am in town that I enjoy, going out for lunch and dinner, time to work out, computer time, etc...so, I am perfectly content with the circumstances at this juncture.

American Airlines sucks the Big One!!! They did not call to notify me that both flights had been cancelled until I had driven to the airport, checked in, and then learned shortly after checkin that the flights had been cancelled. They only saw fit to call me for the first cancellation, literally only calling me 45 minutes prior to the flight's scheduled departure. BASTARDS!!!! :-)

So, while I was initially pissed at the circumstances, and the effort that I had gone through yesterday in trying to catch a flight out, upon calm reflection, I decided that I would have preferred to arrive Monday night anyway. As you know, I don't particularly care for weekend nights in the clubs. So, arriving Monday night is preferable to me.

Fact is, I would have initially booked my flight, if the fare and schedule had been better, probably for Sunday. But, the fares were better on Saturday for some reason back in October when I booked the original flight.

Many times I have booked for a Sunday in the past, which is a perfectly fine day in the clubs as well, even though they are sometimes a little understaffed. But, otherwise I like Sundays because the girls are less distracted by the hords of Mexicanos in the clubs. The girls are typically much more available for a cut-rate, USB "cheapo," long time salida.

But, in this instance, when I went to rebook the flight, had I taken Sunday's flight, I would have arrived in MTY around 1am after catching a bus out of Laredo around 10:30pm.

I just decided that 1am, at least for this old man ;-), is just a little too late to be getting started. So, I figured that to be arriving that late in Monterrey is just a waste of funds (ie: the hotel room cost.). Plus, I also realized that if I arrived that late, "G" would have been long gone from the Infinito and on her bus enroute to her Casa, a couple of hours away. So, Monday was much more preferable. I expect to arrive Monday night around 10pm if there are no delays with the flight this time.

As for "G" we were texting back an forth last night so I could let her know my circumstances. She seemed disappointed that I would not be making it, asking me "por que, corazon? :-(" But, she said she would be dutifully waiting for me to arrive on Monday night. But, I do NOT feel sorry for her, as I am sure she probably got her share of sex in the privados, right??? hahahaha :-)

Unfortuantely for her, she is looking for much more than sex, or money, and she will have to demean herself in the privados Saturday and Sunday night without the actual relief she is looking for.

She wants a healthy measure of actual USB amor and emotional nurturing, all of which I will provide her in exchange for the most heart-felt GFE "SEXCAPADE" one could hope for.[/QUOTE]

Thanx for the fair warning... I shall hide all the girls from you.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]This is not a test. This is for real. I am booked to arrive March 1st.

Wasted.[/QUOTE]

See you when you arrive WastedG...

I do have a concern about my travel plans. Everything is on schedule now for my departure to Dallas, and then on to Laredo tomorrow afternoon. But...

I am worried. I already checked my bag with American Airlines yesterday. I figuratively waived goodbye to my bag as it made it's way down conveyor into "luggage land."

So, after the flights were cancelled, I learned that it would be a major act of congress to actually recover it on a baggage carosel, possibly taking up to two or three hours according to the gate agent. So, I told them to send it on to Laredo, and that I would catch up to it later in the day. Of course, the second flight was also cancelled, and now I am rescheduled to take the Monday flight out.

So, Where TF is my bag??? Is it in "luggage limbo" somewhere? I am really worried that it will not be at the baggage claim when I finally arrive in Laredo tomorrow night at 6pm. I am almost sure I will need to have it traced, and forwarded on to MTY. I am anticipating the worst.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]This is not a test. This is for real. I am booked to arrive March 1st.

Wasted.[/QUOTE]

I return to the USA on Saturday morning, 3/3. So, we'll have a couple of nights available to visit some of the other clubs if you arrive on 3/1.

This same thing happened to me a couple of months ago when there were bad storms in Dallas, and I was flying directly into MTY. They lost my luggage then too. It literally took them three days following my arrival in MTY to finally locate my luggage and forward it on to MTY. But, it did eventually arrive. I was ecstatic!!!

At that time, I didn't really think ahead with respect to packing an emergency kit. This time, I have packed a very small stealthy bag with all my toiletries, and at least a change of clothes that will austensibly last me for a few days. I will check it through to Laredo, hoping of course that the Airlines don't lose it as well.

I have a rather generous supply of cookies that require my constant supervision. I always carry the cookies in a back pack, which I carry on the plane to ensure unsurpassed quality upon my arrival in MTY. If I were to check them, they would undoubtedly arrive a disaster, cracked up and pulverized to smitherines.

So, I am carrying the cookies on as usual, along with my briefcase and laptop. I guess the cookies are more important than the backup toiletries and change of clothes, so I am checking them through to Laredo.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]USB: Assuming you will 1) fly out, 2) find you luggage, how long are you planning to stay??

I depart on the 4th. with a broken heart of coure.

We need to hang out and visit some of the other clubs while we're there.

I hope you get your luggage so you won't smell :-) Should I bring you extra clothings? Some socks and undies?

Carlos, need anyting from here? So long as it is small enough to fit. I don't check my luggage. Never.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

You must not forget a generous supply of Shout spray as a cloth deodorant!!!!!


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I return to the USA on Saturday morning, 3/3. So, we'll have a couple of nights available to visit some of the other clubs if you arrive on 3/1.

This same thing happened to me a couple of months ago when there were bad storms in Dallas, and I was flying directly into MTY. They lost my luggage then too. It literally took them three days following my arrival in MTY to finally locate my luggage and forward it on to MTY. But, it did eventually arrive. I was ecstatic!!!

At that time, I didn't really think ahead with respect to packing an emergency kit. This time, I have packed a very small stealthy bag with all my toiletries, and at least a change of clothes that will austensibly last me for a few days. I will check it through to Laredo, hoping of course that the Airlines don't lose it as well.

I have a rather generous supply of cookies that require my constant supervision. I always carry the cookies in a back pack, which I carry on the plane to ensure unsurpassed quality upon my arrival in MTY. If I were to check them, they would undoubtedly arrive a disaster, cracked up and pulverized to smitherines.

So, I am carrying the cookies on as usual, along with my briefcase and laptop. I guess the cookies are more important than the backup toiletries and change of clothes, so I am checking them through to Laredo.[/QUOTE]

I am finally in Monterrey....

After my flights were cancelled on Saturday, and all the aggravation of that experience, I went through an absolute horrible travel experience on Monday with American Airlines.

I was privy to a heated gripe session between the flight attendants on that flight that revealed that American Airlines was extremely messed up with respect to scheduling the proper number of flight attendents. These planes require four flight attendents, or they can not take off. In this case, the flight attendents had to be called out of reserve, being called off rest early, giving up much needed R & R between flights, just in order for the plane to take off. They were all pretty pissed off about it.

But, the significant thing to me is that the reason the flight was late, and the reason I missed connections, which caused me to have a dreadful trip, was due to lousy management, something that, according to the flight attendents, is the source of considerably low moral. It was not a delay due to weather, or equipment, or whatever. It was a delay due entirely to incompetance. My personal opionion...American Airlines does not give a shit about whether you as a passenger are happy, satisfied, on-time...nothing.

I did not arrive in Monterrey that day until 2:30am the following morning after having left the house the prior day at 10:30am. All of the delay was a result of scheduling conflicts with American Airlines which caused their flights to miss connections.

Once I arrived in Monterrey, I went directly to my hotel. Of course, due to my arrival being so late, they had NO rooms available. So, I stored my luggage in their holding closet and made my way to the clubs to kill the rest of Monday night. I was dead tired, but I also enjoyed knowing that I would be saving a night's hotel bill. I did have an opportunity to sleep on the bus for a few hours between Laredo and Monterrey, so I was relatively functional, just tired.

First I made the rounds to El Infinito, Matehuela, El Cielo, and finally to Harem. I arrived at El Infinito around 3:30am, and there was still a skeleton crew of girls working the club. Angry girl was in attendence, and successfully ignoring me as usual. I took a spin through El Cielo and it was really dead, only about four girls. Matehuela wasn't much better when I finally rolled in there about 4:00am for the presentation. I scoped out the girls at Matehuela, having one privado, and decided I would see if I could go over to Harem because I seemed to remember that it was open quite late in comparison to some of the other clubs. I was expecting most of the lower end clubs to close by 5am, but I didn't wait around to find out if they actually did.

I literally arrived at Harem about 4:30am. Two of my girls were actually still in attendence there. One of my girls spotted me, came and sat down, and I ordered her a drink. She drank it slowly, and I told her my nightmare travel story. I told her that I would be going to breakfast after the club closed to kill some more time, telling her also that I probably wouldn't be able to get a room until at least 11am Tuesday Morning.

I asked if she wanted to go to breakfast with me, and she agreed. Anyway, around 6am she is ready to leave after changing into street clothes, and she informs me that a friend of hers will also be coming along with us, a kind of chunky looking, relatively unattractive bar girl at that.

Immediately, the warning buzzers start to go off in my head, believing that the "rich gringo" is being setup to buy breakfast. But, actually, I was pleasantly surprised when the bill came, and both girls dug into their purses for their share of the tab. Both girls had the money in hand, fully intending to pay their fair share.

I chipped in 100 pesos on a 200 peso bill, more out of a sense of shocked thankfullness that the girls actually had no expectation to flease the gringo than anything else. The girls were very polite, realizing my benevolence, and thanking me appropriately for my generosity. I was really surprised that they did not try to run a game on me. Wonders never cease...

Anyway, my girlfriend's friend departed for her apartment in a taxi after we filed out onto the street in front of the Restaurant, Brazil. My girl had other ideas for the two of us it seemed, tame but sweet ideas none-the-less.

After her friend departed, my girl informed me that we are going to walk together for awhile, toward the park downtown. It seems she wanted to watch the sun come up with me. She took hold of my arm, squeezing my right arm tightly, very affectionately, and we walked down a few blocks to the park. We sat on a park bench, talked, and watched the sun come up. Kind of a surprisingly romantic ending.

I think she was being nice, realizing my situation, and realizing I would be all but abandoned in MTY in the early morning hours, no place to flop after she left. She also anticipated the subsequent wait I would ultimately have in getting a hotel room at dawn. By that time, I had been up for many hours without sleep already. Anyway, she stayed with me until around 7:30am, at which time she told me she had to go home to sleep too. So, we left in a taxi, I dropped her off at her apartment, and I went directly to the hotel.

Fortunately, the hotel did have a room available at around 8am, not cleaned, but at least a place where I could drop off my luggage and relax. So, I checked in, and things started to normalize from that point.

One interesting thing...my girlfriend from Harem has actually had me back to her apartment before, not inside, but just to drop stuff off. It is just a few blocks from the club. I noticed when we went to her apartment this time to drop off her work clothes, that some other girls from the club were being dropped off by taxi as well. So, apparently many of the girls that work at Harem also live in the same apartment complex.

I am somewhat impressed that I have apparently become elevated to the status of "trusted friend (client)"...knowing where she lives, and now, subsequently knowing where many of them live. But, here is the problem with attaining the status of "Friend" with any of these bar girls. Here is the wisdom...

Once you are a friend, your status as "friend," at least with most of the pros I know, makes intimate contact with them a much more difficult situation, especially for money. I don't know what the psychological influences are, but it just seems like the more they regard you as a friend, the less leverage you have with them as a paying client. I have a continuing trend in this direction that is not serving me well, and it involves my most recent favorita.

I am learning my lessons slowly still to this day. With this particular girl from Harem, it's not an issue because I am not particularly interested in bar fining her much any more. But, if you have a girl that you're getting too close to, consider what you might be losing in the process.

I am especially aware of this phenomenon now with my current favorita. I sense that a complacency is developing in her, probably as a result of the closeness that seems to have also simultaneiously developed between us. That is the natural progression. The more they "feel" they know you, the less they try. At first, they are very attentive, but later, slowly, they start to relax their urgency at making an impression. It is natural, and even a circumstance that we all know is common in everyday relationships. The secret is finding the middle ground where you can maintain an edge that keeps them sharp without a disasterous outcome.

The problem is, for me, the GFE is directly related to this level of familiarity I am able to create. So, by courting the GFE, and also applying whatever male charm is necessary to get it, we are simultaneously setting ourselves up for potential disappointment, usually sooner than later.

I am playing my cards differently than with angry girl, hoping that my strategy will bring everything back closer to center with this one girl in particular. But, you would think I would learn eventually. This has happened to me more times than I care to remember...

I will relate my next set of exploits in a few days when I have more time. One circumstance involves a current favorita that is in the dog house, but only for a nano-second, and not for anything really bad. The other of my exploits so far involves a new girl that I just bar fined from El Cielo last night.

Carlos also pointed out to me today during our lunch buffet at Obsession, that I was very fortunate to recover my luggage in Laredo prior to getting on the bus for MTY. I had actually checked my luggage on Saturday when both flights were cancelled, and the luggage was somewhere in the system on Sunday, not yet delivered to Laredo according to the gate agent there.

I had packed a spare bag for the substitute trip on Monday, just a small bag with underwear, socks, etc...But, when I checked the bag with the flight on Monday, I was not thinking that the entire "late flight" scenario was going to occur.

So, imagine this...My bag from Saturday is in the system somewhere, my reserve checked bag is "who knows where" on Monday because the flight was running late, and the connection was missed in Dallas. So, I had two bags floating around in the system, a system that is totally screwed up to begin with.

Consequently, upon missing the Laredo connection on Monday, I was offered a choice by American Airlines...take a look below, and speculate as to what you might have done in the same circumstances???

1. Standby on the next and last flight, which might already be full. I concluded that I would possibly never actually get on that standby flight, whereby I would have to catch the next day's flight out and spend the night in Dallas, incurring some ridiculous hotel bill for a "big city" venue like Dallas...American Airlines was not about to pay for shit....or

2. American did agree to provide a rebooked ticket on Continental, which means I would have to fly to Houston first, make a connection in Houston for Laredo, and arrive that same night in Laredo at 11pm, 5 hours later than planned had I made my American Airlines connection in Dallas...or

3. Have American rebook the Continental ticket, with an upcharge of $140 to fly directly from Houston to MTY, using half the ticket provided by American to get from Dallas to Houston on Continental.

The choice offered by #1 was just a pig in a poke. I could end up never making the last flight to Laredo with all the disorganization of American Airlines, and the potential that the flight was already overbooked anyway. American loves to overbook their flights.

If I was able to arrive in MTY that evening directly from Houston (#3) , then my luggage would still be in limbo, and I would have to file a lost luggage claim, in Spanish. I would have to hope I was being understood sufficiently that the bags would be recovered and forwarded with some promptness, something that I doubted might happen, if not on account of American's ineptidude, but due to language differences.

I chose #2, primarily because I wanted to arrive in Laredo in an attempt to recover my luggage, and if my luggage were lost, I would at least be able to file a lost luggage request within an "arguably" English speaking city.

Ultimately, I arrived in Laredo via Continental, and checked in with the American gate agents. I asked about my luggage and they recovered the "reserve" bag, which I had put on Monday's American Airlines flight that morning. No problem...so, the basic survival provisions, change of underwear, socks, etc...were now in my possession.

But, when I asked about the big suitcase, the one I had checked Saturday morning prior to the flights being cancelled, the female gate agent checked the room quickly, came back out, and told me she could not find the bag. She advised me that we would have to start the trace on the bag. I told her they would have to find the bag and forward it to MTY.

Fortunately, the male gate agent went back into the room during our discussion and actually found the bag, one of the largest in the room. The female gate agent apologized profusely for the error. Thank God the male gate agent went back in there a second time to check her work.

So, things were starting to come together...I was very glad about having recovered my bags. But, the journey was not over. I still had to take a bus all the way from Laredo to MTY. I was concerned over the prospect of entering into NL on foot, a gringo, at 11:30pm. So, I opted to take a US taxi direct from the Airport to the Bus Station for $40, literally about $15 more than taking a taxi to the border, walking across, and also hopping in a taxi on the NL side, another 50 pesos if negotiated properly, and if you are good at "traveling while gringo."

Usually, at that late hour, the taxis on the NL side would make every attempt to boost the price from 50 pesos to 100 pesos, especially on a gringo coming across the border late at night. I had no doubt that I could negotiate the fare down to the normal 50 pesos as I had done it a million times already in the past. But, after being worn down by the system all day, I decided it was well worth the extra $5US to take a taxi direct to the bus station from the Laredo airport.

The taxi sailed right through the border crossing at 11:30pm, no traffic at that late hour. At that hour, there's a significantly reduced potential for long lines of traffic, which is otherwise the norm during daytime hours, sometimes to the extent of delaying you up to 2 hours to get across the border. So, under normal daytime circumstances, I opt to walk across, not in order to save $5, but to reduce my delays in eventually getting to the promised land.

I realize that this kind of report can be a tedious read. But, I also speculate that some of the tidbits of information here may give other travelers to MTY, especially relative newbies, a glimpse into the process, the costs, the potential pitfalls, etc... especially with respect to making a bus trip to MTY via one of the border towns, especially if you are yourself a Gringo.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I am finally in Monterrey....

After my flights were cancelled on Saturday, and all the aggravation of that experience, I went through an absolute horrible travel experience on Monday with American Airlines.

I was privy to a heated gripe session between the flight attendants on that flight that revealed that American Airlines was extremely messed up with respect to scheduling the proper number of flight attendents. These planes require four flight attendents, or they can not take off. In this case, the flight attendents had to be called out of reserve, being called off rest early, giving up much needed R & R between flight, just in order for the plane to take off. They were all pretty pissed off about it.

But, the significant thing to me is that the reason the flight was late, and the reason I missed connections, which caused me to have a dreadful trip, was due to lousy management, something that, according to the flight attendents, is the source of considerably low moral. It was not a delay due to weather, or equipment, or whatever. It was a delay due entirely to incompetance. My personal opionion...American Airlines does not give a shit about whether you as a passenger are happy, satisfied, on-time...nothing.

I did not arrive in Monterrey that day until 2:30am the following morning after having left the house the prior day at 10:30am. All of the delay was a result of scheduling conflicts with American Airlines which caused their flights to miss connections.

Once I arrived in Monterrey, I went directly to my hotel. Of course, due to my arrival being so late, they had NO rooms available. So, I stored my luggage in their holding closet and made my way to the clubs to kill the rest of Monday night. I was dead tired, but I also enjoyed knowing that I would be saving a night's hotel bill. I did have an opportunity to sleep on the bus for a few hours between Laredo and Monterrey, so I was relatively functional, just tired.

First I made the rounds to El Infinito, Matehuela, El Cielo, and finally to Harem. I arrived at El Infinito around 3:30am, and there was still a skeleton crew of girls working the club. Angry girl was in attendence, and successfully ignoring me as usual. I took a spin through El Cielo and it was really dead, only about four girls. Matehuela wasn't much better when I finally rolled in there about 4:00am for the presentation. I scoped out the girls at Matehuela, having one privado, and decided I would see if I could go over to Harem because I seemed to remember that it was open quite late in comparison to some of the other clubs. I was expecting most of the lower end clubs to close by 5am, but I didn't wait around to find out if they actually did.

I literally arrived at Harem about 4:30am. Two of my girls were actually still in attendence there. One of my girls spotted me, came and sat down, and I ordered her a drink. She drank it slowly, and I told her my nightmare travel story. I told her that I would be going to breakfast after the club closed to kill some more time, telling her also that I probably wouldn't be able to get a room until at least 11am Tuesday Morning.

I asked if she wanted to go to breakfast with me, and she agreed. Anyway, around 6am she is ready to leave after changing into street clothes, and she informs me that a friend of hers will also be coming along with us, a kind of chunky looking, relatively unattractive bar girl at that.

Immediately, the warning buzzers start to go off in my head, believing that the "rich gringo" is being setup to buy breakfast. But, actually, I was pleasantly surprised when the bill came, and both girls dug into their purses for their share of the tab. Both girls had the money in hand, fully intending to pay their fair share.

I chipped in 100 pesos on a 200 peso bill, more out of a sense of shocked thankfullness that the girls actually had no expectation to flease the gringo than anything else. The girls were very polite, realizing my benevolence, and thanking me appropriately for my generosity. I was really surprised that they did not try to run a game on me. Wonders never cease...

Anyway, my girlfriend's friend departed for her apartment in a taxi after we filed out onto the street in front of the Restaurant, Brazil. My girl had other ideas for the two of us it seemed, tame but sweet ideas none-the-less.

After her friend departed, my girl informed me that we are going to walk together for awhile, toward the park downtown. It seems she wanted to watch the sun come up with me. She took hold of my arm, squeezing my right arm tightly, very affectionately, and we walked down a few blocks to the park. We sat on a park bench, talked, and watched the sun come up. Kind of a surprisingly romantic ending.

I think she was being nice, realizing my situation, and realizing I would be all but abandoned in MTY in the early morning hours, no place to flop after she left. She also anticipated the subsequent wait I would ultimately have in getting a hotel room at dawn. By that time, I had been up for many hours without sleep already. Anyway, she stayed with me until around 7:30am, at which time she told me she had to go home to sleep too. So, we left in a taxi, I dropped her off at her apartment, and I went directly to the hotel.

Fortunately, the hotel did have a room available at around 8am, not cleaned, but at least a place where I could drop off my luggage and relax. So, I checked in, and things started to normalize from that point.

One interesting thing...my girlfriend from Harem has actually had me back to her apartment before, not inside, but just to drop stuff off. It is just a few blocks from the club. I noticed when we went to her apartment this time to drop off her work clothes, that some other girls from the club were being dropped off by taxi as well. So, apparently many of the girls that work at Harem also live in the same apartment complex.

I am somewhat impressed that I have apparently become elevated to the status of "trusted friend (client)"...knowing where she lives, and now, subsequently knowing where many of them live. But, here is the problem with attaining the status of "Friend" with any of these bar girls. Here is the wisdom...

Once you are a friend, your status as "friend," at least with most of the pros I know, makes intimate contact with them a much more difficult situation, especially for money. I don't know what the psychological influences are, but it just seems like the more they regard you as a friend, the less leverage you have with them as a paying client. I have a continuing trend in this direction that is not serving me well, and it involves my most recent favorita.

I am learning my lessons slowly still to this day. With this particular girl from Harem, it's not an issue because I am not particularly interested in bar fining her much any more. But, if you have a girl that you're getting too close to, consider what you might be losing in the process.

I am especially aware of this phenomenon now with my current favorita. I sense that a complacency is developing in her, probably as a result of the closeness that seems to have also simultaneiously developed between us. That is the natural progression. The more they "feel" they know you, the less they try. At first, they are very attentive, but later, slowly, they start to relax their urgency at making an impression. It is natural, and even a circumstance that we all know is common in everyday relationships. The secret is finding the middle ground where you can maintain an edge that keeps them sharp without a disasterous outcome.

The problem is, for me, the GFE is directly related to this level of familiarity I am able to create. So, by courting the GFE, and also applying whatever male charm is necessary to get it, we are simultaneously setting ourselves up for potential disappointment, usually sooner than later.

I am playing my cards differently than with angry girl, hoping that my strategy will bring everything back closer to center with this one girl in particular. But, you would think I would learn eventually. This has happened to me more times than I care to remember...

I will relate my next set of exploits in a few days when I have more time. One circumstance involves a current favorita that is in the dog house, but only for a nano-second, and not for anything really bad. The other of my exploits so far involves a new girl that I just bar fined from El Cielo last night.[/QUOTE]

it occurs to me that since i have arrived here, i have basically only seen one girl on salida. my favorita, "g," has a really bad throat infection, and is on a course of antibiotiics and bed rest.

when i saw her in the privados on tuesday night, she was feeling the pain, but she was planning for us to meet all day on her day off, wednesday. unfortunately, wednesday rolled around, and she was supposed to show up at 10am.

she did not show up, after having confirmed with me in very sincere and intentional terms that we were going to meet the next day. so far, she has always been quite consistent in her word to me, at least with respect to punctuality.

so, when she did not arrive at the appointed time, i called her cell phone. she sounded horrible, and told me she was really sick and couldn't come. i believe her excuse totally. she was definitely hurting. plus, i also decided that i did not necessarily want to expose myself to the same thing, so i just told her that we would meet another day.

the only thing that really aggravates me is that the girls are so unreliable about communicating when they can't show up. "g" has always been pretty responsible with me, usually showing a slightly higher level of courtesy in this kind of thing. it is one of the reasons i always regarded her as slightly above her peers.

i was disappointed in her yesterday when she did not show up, and failed to call me or text message me. i think it's my own levelof professional expectation.

the calibre of people i deal with on a daily basis are much more reliable than these bar girls. i intellectual realize what i am dealing with, but it doesn't make the frustration of dealing with it any less frustrating.

i also think i'm dealing within a culture that may be less demanding from it's working class than what we americans demand. americans are known worldwide for our uncompromising, sometimes bitchy, "attitudes." i think it's what makes our country the most productive in the world, but also possibly sometimes, the most detested.

i have since decided that she was just hurting too much to recall her obligations, which exposes her true feelings toward me. i perceive her true feelings as honestly affectionate and she displays mucho carino toward me, but not perhaps to the level that i might have otherwise thought. i now believe she has affection for me in the moment, the affection that is very real, and she values our relationship. but, it's not a committed affection, which is what her former behavior suggested.

it doesn't really matter because i anticipate no future with a bar girl, but i would have thought that her attentions were just a little more than i might have ever experienced before, and i still believe that. except, i believe she is more like the typical bar girl with respect to her discipline level than i originally thought. i am sure her health played a major roll in revealing her tendency to be less than reliable.

carlos is my mentor here, and i have discussed these issues with him numerous times because it seems that i always fall into a signifcant, but detrimental loyaly mode with my favorite girls. carlos always warns me to pay no attention to them with respect to anything they say or do, and to not contemplate them too seriously on an emotional level, not even to contemplate them too intently as i go through my daily routine back in the states. he encourages me to listen to them, acknowledge them in the moment, and to forget them otherwise.

i believe that advice is extremely wise, and i strive to do so. but, it is just part of my makeup to develop feelings for my best girls. they are not foolish feelings of commitment, not the kind of committment that is financially careless, but simply feelings of love and compassion for girls that i have known well, and for girls that have gone above and beyond the normal range of experience typical of a most, relatively mechanical, p4p experiences.

i believe that in the moment, these girls, each of them that hold a special place in my heart, are sincere in their affections. i believe that in the moment they are in love with me when they say so. but, the key phrase can not be stressed enough...."in the moment." it is what seperates them from the millions of girls that are poor, choosing not to prostitute themselves for money, and instead to live their lives according to some kind of moral code.

sometimes my feelings for them are stronger than they should be for my own emotional stability. i am working to hone my approach to this "hobby," but for me, a self proclaimed, admitedly overly sensitive guy, it is not easy. it is something that i have to be continually vigilant about, or i find myself developing relationships with some girls that are simply not advantageous for me in the long run.

i find myself developing a closeness to them, even from their perspectives as well, that doesn't serve my best interests with respect to the proper leverage i need to continue satisfactorily with them as long term providers. i know there is a happy medium to get what i want from them in honest, legitimate, emotional nurturing gfe experiences, without the added complication of developing an overly affectionate kind of emotional bond with them, from them as well as from me.

anyway, "g" seems like she may very likely be completely out of the game this week. i go back to the states on saturday. it would not surprise me if i did not see her on salida this entire trip due to her health problems. she is really quite sick. i sincerely "feel her pain," and i hope she feels better sooner than later.

so, what next...my next strategy was to try to find that girl from el cielo, the one that i stood-up two trips ago, the one that offered to go on salida for 300 pesos, and to come over after work to help me avoid paying the salida. i used to have a steady favorita from el cielo, but she no longer works there.

you see, my girlfriend, abi, from el cielo, was a real nympho maniac. i could tell that she was one of these girls that you just can't put down, but also one that you need to be a little leary of. i sensed that because she had such an enormous sexual appetite, that she was probably taking a lot of chances sin condom. eventually, she became infected with something, and she was fired from el cielo after failing a weekly heath check.

unfortunately, several weeks after being fired, she also lost her cell phone. i actually called her once after she lost her job and got through to her on her cell phone. she asked if i was in town, probably hoping i would tide her over after having lost her job. but, i was not in mty at the time i talked to her.

i attempted to call her after that for months, hoping that eventually she would renew the number or the phone would be found. according to carlos, the girls are not usually sophisticated enough to really realize that they can renew their number if the phone is lost. carlos says that most of the girls just buy a new phone and take a new number when the loss occurs.

anyway, after i could never find abi again, even though i really wanted her, i realized i would probably never see her again, and that i would need to start looking for a replacement in el cielo.

this new girl that has worked at the matehuela formerly, now works at el cielo. anyway, i found her again tuesday night, after missing her for several months. she usually works until 11pm, so i decided to show up at el cielo about 10:30pm, hoping to strike a real bargain, ie: her former offer of 300 pesos for as long as i wanted her, and no salida fee. she was obviously hot to go with me. 300 pesos simply isn't a motivator otherwise, and she kept expressing her desire to go with me out of an attraction she had for me. i can't help but believe it....i mean, 300 pesos, no salida???? that's cheaper than i could get a girl in thailand or the philipines.

but, unfortunately, my negotiating skills, or her attraction level for me, was slightly off this time because i actually got her for 500 pesos. i think i just gave in on her counter offer out of embarrassment. i told her the story about not having any money, and initially offered 400 pesos, no salida.

i feel like such a cheap bastard at 300 pesos. anyway, after being with her one time, i know i can get her cheaper the next time. she is actually pretty ugly in the face, but her body is pretty hot. so, she is one of those girls that serves well in a pinch, but not really a star.

anyway, she met me at the oxxo on the corner, we walked to madero, caught a taxi, went to the room, and the rest is history. she stayed about 2 hours, and i could have enticed her to stay longer, but i am really not that attracted or intellectually interested in her, nor am i particularly impressed with her ways. there is not the chemistry between us that places me in any emotional danger, not anything like "g," or angry girl, or cindy #1.

but, at least in her, i have found a girl i can go to in a pinch, one that will go with me for very little money.

more to come later on...to follow, my girl at tangalay, and...another short angry girl saga....new material!!!

I have also tried to make USB understand that his standard in girls is too high. I mean beauty, intelegence, etc.
I never go for top material cause there will always be someone with more money, younger and/or with more money than me.
So I go for the less then pretty ones, no outright ugly, but the ones that are nice, the ones that will compensate anything else with lots of enthusiasm.
That has always worked for me to the point that I have girls in all almost all the clubs I go to.
So I always have someone to have fun with.





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]It occurs to me that since I have arrived here, I have basically only seen one girl on salida. My favorita, "G," has a really bad throat infection, and is on a course of antibiotiics and bed rest.

Carlos is my mentor here, and I have discussed these issues with him numerous times because it seems that I always fall into a signifcant, but detrimental loyaly mode with my favorite girls. Carlos always warns me to pay no attention to them with respect to anything they say or do, and to not contemplate them too seriously on an emotional level, not even to contemplate them too intently as I go through my daily routine back in the States. He encourages me to listen to them, acknowledge them in the moment, and to forget them otherwise.

.........

I believe that advice is extremely wise, and I strive to do so. But, it is just part of my makeup to develop feelings for my best girls. They are not foolish feelings of commitment, not the kind of committment that is financially careless, but simply feelings of love and compassion for girls that I have known well, and for girls that have gone above and beyond the normal range of experience typical of a most, relatively mechanical, p4p experiences.


More to come later on...to follow, my girl at Tangalay, and...another short Angry Girl saga....new material!!![/QUOTE]

Good night.

Wasted.

You do not get off that easily. Your comments suggest that "D" was HOTTTT!!!

or...

you are getting old :-)

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Good night.

Wasted.[/QUOTE]

WastedG, you missed a major drama at Casino...

I was in Casino, watching Carlos molest all your girls, WastedG. During most of the time we were all together at Casino, Carlos actually had two girls to molest. Eventually, he decided on the winner of the contest, and one remained with him. "Around the World" was also in attendence. ATW chose a sweet, young, HOT, filly to sit next to him and perform all kinds of decadent acts in the privados...I know you enjoyed it ATW.

But, me??? NO...no girls for me, at least not yet. I had one fat pig attempt to sit next to me. That always seems to be the case. Why the hell do I always attract just the fat pigs. WTF, can't just the older or ugly girls with relatively acceptable bodies sit next to me? NO entiendo!!!

Anyway, the most interesting part started to develop just as we were about to leave the club. It was probably around 1am, and the three of us, Carlos, ATW, and me, we headed for the door together. I noticed three new girls sitting at a table in the back of the club. It looked like they were three new girls talking to the manager, all of them still in their street clothes, but luggage bags in tow on the ground around them. I assumed they would be starting to work soon, and I just commented to ATW that they were pretty HOT, and they were. Especially one of them, which I specifically commented to him that I particularly liked.

Anyway, as we started to walk out, the girls got up too. I had actually walked ahead of Carlos and ATW and was standing by the front door when I turned around and noticed that the three girls were engaged in a conversation with Carlos and ATW. So, I wheeled around and slowly strolled in their direction. I could here that at least one of the girls actually knew Carlos, and she was quizing him about who he might be because she recognized him.

I approached the group, and Carlos was presenting the girls to ATW as I strolled up to the group. I particularly noticed this one girl in the group, who was standing furthest from me...I thought, WOW I really like that one, she is really pretty. Anyway, Carlos presented me to the other two girls and I shook hands with them, courtiously acknowledging them, when all of a sudden, "HOT girl" runs toward me, embraces me, and starts shouting my name. But, I didn't recognize her. After she hugged onto me shouting my name, she literally jumped in my arms, taking the full weight off of her body, and clutched her legs around me at the legs.

OK...I thought...this is really quite pleasant, but I am not Mic Jagger or anything, and WTF is this girl attacking me, in a completely familiar manner, and telling me she loves me. I knew it could not be the fame and notoriety of such a media mogul like the ISG board...could it? Naw...

All of a sudden she says my name, and says "it's me, it's "Cindy #2" (my name for her) from Extasis." I have numerous reports on here about Cindy #2 from the Extasis. I was seeing her at Extasis almost three years ago. I hugged her like I had lost a good friend who came back to life. She is probably one of the most fun girls in all of MTY. But, a consumate professional at extracting money from you, and vindictively so if you refuse to spend too much with her.

I acknowledged how glad I was to see her. "Oh, my God, Cindy#2," then I said her real given name just to confirm it was her. In my eyes she had not changed much, maybe just a little softer from having a baby three years ago. She was still a very beautiful flaca muchacha, with the same ass to die for.

She wanted me to stay, so I sat with her in one of the booths. ATW got the left overs, and wasn't terribly satisfied with the girl that sat by him. But, I thought her affection level for him was pretty intensely obvious. The other girl was actually much HOTTER than ATW's volunteer, and he would have preferred sitting with the other girl. But, the mediocre one was more persistent and ended up next to him. Actually, I think the mediocre one was perfectly attractive. And, more importantly, she was interested in him!!!

Personally, ATW, I think you should have milked that girl. She liked you mucho. Oh well, the "theories of selection strategy" discussion is just another philosophical discussion I can cover when I am sitting at home and melancholy over my absence from MTY, searching for material to post.

Anyway, my girl, Cindy #2, milked me for TWO JARRAS. It is not something I have done for three years. I did not really expect her to actually agree to go on Salida...she would never ever do it before, but always promise to do it. I do not expect her to do it now. But, I really love her company, and I paid dearly last night for the privilege. I spent $700 pesos for the two jarras, and she was putting on a full court press for the third. But, I was quite strong in resisting her, remembering her methods from before, and realizing that she is very good at what she does. Unfortunatly for her, I am not quite as naive as before. If I spent 700 pesos, it's because I was enjoying her company, possibly more than I would have enjoyed bar fining a selection I had made in El Infinito earlier in the evening.

I remember thinking three years ago that there were times I would rather be in her company, paying for Jarras, than to bar fine another girl for sex at the hotel for about the same price. She IS that good. But, it also reveals something about my own needs with respect to having a closeness to some of these girls, a need that really is important to me emotionally...stupid but true.

And, I also realize about myself that to interact with Cindy #2, even at the cost of Jarras, is usually more entertaining than some girls I have bar fined. That is really quite a sad commentary on some of the options available here in MTY, versus the dynamic personality of a true pro at work. I stayed with Cindy #2 until 3am. ATW left a little earlier than me, and I don't remember where he ultimately intended to go.

Honestly, I am seriously contemplating seeing Cindy #2 again tonight at The Extasis, just to get all her current contact information...hoping that someday she will give in and go on salida...maybe when she is 50 and I am 90. I do know one thing, her excitement at seeing me again for the first time was priceless, and sincerely exhibited...and unrelated to money. But, money is always, ultimately, the underlying motivation and catalyst to GFE, even GFE where sex is not exchanged.

WastedG, I issue a challenge to you at this juncture. I challenge anyone to successfully barfine Cindy #1. Have at it... :-) To the winner comes the spoils.

And...you guys that are down here...get to work!!! Post your experiences on the board. DO NOT leave this only to a few of us...I want to hear your exploits. I can't HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!

Yes my friend, Cindy #2 is very good, so good you just can't resist.
I think you know the American catch phrase "just say no"...
Why not use it????
USB says: "2 jarras... I do not expect her to do it now."
Why not? it is her job, you still don't understand that it's engrained in their DNA to do their job plus impress the house that she is good.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, you missed a major drama at Casino...

I was in Casino, watching Carlos molest all your girls, WastedG. During most of the time we were all together at Casino, Carlos actually had two girls to molest. Eventually, he decided on the winner of the contest, and one remained with him. "Around the World" was also in attendence. ATW chose a sweet, young, HOT, filly to sit next to him and perform all kinds of decadent acts in the privados...I know you enjoyed it ATW.

But, me??? NO...no girls for me, at least not yet. I had one fat pig attempt to sit next to me. That always seems to be the case. Why the hell do I always attract just the fat pigs. WTF, can't just the older or ugly girls with relatively acceptable bodies sit next to me? NO entiendo!!!

Anyway, the most interesting part started to develop just as we were about to leave the club. It was probably around 1am, and the three of us, Carlos, ATW, and me, we headed for the door together. I noticed three new girls sitting at a table in the back of the club. It looked like they were three new girls talking to the manager, all of them still in their street clothes, but luggage bags in tow on the ground around them. I assumed they would be starting to work soon, and I just commented to ATW that they were pretty HOT, and they were. Especially one of them, which I specifically commented to him that I particularly liked.

Anyway, as we started to walk out, the girls got up too. I had actually walked ahead of Carlos and ATW and was standing by the front door when I turned around and noticed that the three girls were engaged in a conversation with Carlos and ATW. So, I wheeled around and slowly strolled in their direction. I could here that at least one of the girls actually knew Carlos, and she was quizing him about who he might be because she recognized him.

I approached the group, and Carlos was presenting the girls to ATW as I strolled up to the group. I particularly noticed this one girl in the group, who was standing furthest from me...I thought, WOW I really like that one, she is really pretty. Anyway, Carlos presented me to the other two girls and I shook hands with them, courtiously acknowledging them, when all of a sudden, "HOT girl" runs toward me, embraces me, and starts shouting my name. But, I didn't recognize her. After she hugged onto me shouting my name, she literally jumped in my arms, taking the full weight off of her body, and clutched her legs around me at the legs.

OK...I thought...this is really quite pleasant, but I am not Mic Jagger or anything, and WTF is this girl attacking me, in a completely familiar manner, and telling me she loves me. I knew it could not be the fame and notoriety of such a media mogul like the ISG board...could it? Naw...

All of a sudden she says my name, and says "it's me, it's "Cindy #2" (my name for her) from Extasis." I have numerous reports on here about Cindy #2 from the Extasis. I was seeing her at Extasis almost three years ago. I hugged her like I had lost a good friend who came back to life. She is probably one of the most fun girls in all of MTY. But, a consumate professional at extracting money from you, and vindictively so if you refuse to spend too much with her.

I acknowledged how glad I was to see her. "Oh, my God, Cindy#2," then I said her real given name just to confirm it was her. In my eyes she had not changed much, maybe just a little softer from having a baby three years ago. She was still a very beautiful flaca muchacha, with the same ass to die for.

She wanted me to stay, so I sat with her in one of the booths. ATW got the left overs, and wasn't terribly satisfied with the girl that sat by him. But, I thought her affection level for him was pretty intensely obvious. The other girl was actually much HOTTER than ATW's volunteer, and he would have preferred sitting with the other girl. But, the mediocre one was more persistent and ended up next to him. Actually, I think the mediocre one was perfectly attractive. And, more importantly, she was interested in him!!!

Personally, ATW, I think you should have milked that girl. She liked you mucho. Oh well, the "theories of selection strategy" discussion is just another philosophical discussion I can cover when I am sitting at home and melancholy over my absence from MTY, searching for material to post.

Anyway, my girl, Cindy #2, milked me for TWO JARRAS. It is not something I have done for three years. I did not really expect her to actually agree to go on Salida...she would never ever do it before, but always promise to do it. I do not expect her to do it now. But, I really love her company, and I paid dearly last night for the privilege. I spent $700 pesos for the two jarras, and she was putting on a full court press for the third. But, I was quite strong in resisting her, remembering her methods from before, and realizing that she is very good at what she does. Unfortunatly for her, I am not quite as naive as before. If I spent 700 pesos, it's because I was enjoying her company, possibly more than I would have enjoyed bar fining a selection I had made in El Infinito earlier in the evening.

I remember thinking three years ago that there were times I would rather be in her company, paying for Jarras, than to bar fine another girl for sex at the hotel for about the same price. She IS that good. But, it also reveals something about my own needs with respect to having a closeness to some of these girls, a need that really is important to me emotionally...stupid but true.

And, I also realize about myself that to interact with Cindy #2, even at the cost of Jarras, is usually more entertaining than some girls I have bar fined. That is really quite a sad commentary on some of the options available here in MTY, versus the dynamic personality of a true pro at work. I stayed with Cindy #2 until 3am. ATW left a little earlier than me, and I don't remember where he ultimately intended to go.

Honestly, I am seriously contemplating seeing Cindy #2 again tonight at The Extasis, just to get all her current contact information...hoping that someday she will give in and go on salida...maybe when she is 50 and I am 90. I do know one thing, her excitement at seeing me again for the first time was priceless, and sincerely exhibited...and unrelated to money. But, money is always, ultimately, the underlying motivation and catalyst to GFE, even GFE where sex is not exchanged.

WastedG, I issue a challenge to you at this juncture. I challenge anyone to successfully barfine Cindy #1. Have at it... :-) To the winner comes the spoils.

And...you guys that are down here...get to work!!! Post your experiences on the board. DO NOT leave this only to a few of us...I want to hear your exploits. I can't HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Barfine succesfully Cindy #1???
Sorry to tell you but a guy from another forum did just that.
I have the emails to prove it....
I didn't mention it cause I found it was not worth it (plus, I have a bad memory when cross referncing Forums)



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, you missed a major drama at Casino...

I was in Casino, watching Carlos molest all your girls, WastedG. During most of the time we were all together at Casino, Carlos actually had two girls to molest. Eventually, he decided on the winner of the contest, and one remained with him. "Around the World" was also in attendence. ATW chose a sweet, young, HOT, filly to sit next to him and perform all kinds of decadent acts in the privados...I know you enjoyed it ATW.


And...you guys that are down here...get to work!!! Post your experiences on the board. DO NOT leave this only to a few of us...I want to hear your exploits. I can't HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Hey guys,
I must say, I am impressed in many ways by the three amigos of MTY. I am still in bed sleeping off last nights exertions, while you guys have posted 3 pages and kicked off a debate ;)

I can attest to everything that's been said about last night so far.

I started off the night at Matehuala for a little warmup before a planned meeting with the gang at Infinito. There were a couple of delgaditas there to my liking, Thalia and one who wears alternatively the superman or cheerleader outfits. I pulled Thalia off the lineup for a privado to scope out her salida possibilities and rates. Cute face, killer slender body, 19, very soft skin. But her quoted prices were a bit high, 1500 for salida or 400 for full service in the privado. I told her this was too high from my experiences at Matehuala, but she didn't budge. So it was time to go meet the gang up at Infinito...

At Infinito, it didn't seem to be a very good night talent-wise. Only one petite little girl caught my eye, Yasuri, as I made an initial tour of the place. Then I found two guys sitting where I usually sit with Carlos and decided that , yes, this must be the infamous Wastedg and USB. We chatted and I was still pondering my chica options when Wasted pulled the delectable D girl out of nowhere and then USB snagged the girl I was eying, Yasuri, and was headed up the stairs with her. Wasted recommended Jessica for me, who was nice but not as slender as I like'em, but very nice and seemed service oriented. I took her upstairs anyway and she was quite involved there and she showed me that she had brought her toys with her. However I asked about full service and again I got the 400 quote. I thought, what's going on here, price collusion? general inflation?

Since I wasn't that into her I passed and headed downstairs in search of Yasuri. Another petite, hardbody exactly to my specs. USB was done with her so I swept her away upstairs, and again got quoted 400, I think she might have negotiated down to 300, but I can't recall. So I settled for a CBJ-only option.

Afterwards, Wasted headed out with D while Carlos, USB and I headed for Givenchy and then Casino. We went to Givenchy because I told USB I wanted to see the famous Angry Girl firsthand. Unfortunately didn't see her, but I did see a couple of pretty flacitas there for future reference. One wearing a white shirt and braces and her hot friend wearing a miniskirt and black suit coat. Those were the only worthwhile targets there so we left without ordering drinks.

At Casino, it was a layout similar to Pasarela's or other mid-level places. More classy and less direct than Matehuala or Infinito. I mentioned that the current stage dancer was hot, so the mesero brought her over as soon as she was off the stage. Jolieta (sp?) was 22, great body, tall and kinda looked like a Mexican Jessica Biel. USB thought she had a cold personality, but I had fun talking with her about her 2 sisters and her food predilections. A special came up where there were 3 song privados for 100, so we were off to the back room. It was different from M or I places, cause there weren't many couples in the privado area and it seemed to be straight lap dances only. But I did enjoy Jolieta back there. She had the tightest, hardest, natural little breasts I've ever felt and I came back with smelly fingers. I tried to talk her into meeting outside the club but was unsuccessful.

So we were heading out the door and ran into the new trio in their street clothes USB mentioned. One did literally jump into USB's arms while the rest of us wondered what the hell was going on. Carlos had to leave, so USB and I retreated back to a booth with girls in tow. Unfortunately, I just wasn't attracted my chica, so it was only one beer for her (sorry no 350 jarras!) She did seem into me, but I guess I am a sucker for eye candy.

Since the MTY thread is the premier forum on ISG for discussing the metaphysics of mongering (thanks to USB:), I'll digress momentarily over my personal approach to the MTY scene. I tend to prefer a hot-looking girl with middling service over a great service girl with middling looks. That's just me. I know I probably miss out on some great service, but I need that initial attraction to be there. Also I figure I can score average looking girls without paying. It's the 19-22 year-old model-types that are otherwise unattainable and worth paying for.

Conversely, I am finding that after the sex, I wish there were more of a relationship. But as we all know (but often ignore) that desire is dangerous and inevitably futile. I think Milljust made a great point about approaching the chicas as "hobby buddies" instead of love interests. In the future I'll try to incorporate that into my approach to the sport, instead of getting infatuated with particular girls.

Back to the action, I wasn't too interested in my chica at Casino, but it was fun hanging out with USB and his chica. Eventually I had the urge to go hunting elsewhere and headed out for Matehuala but there was no one good left at 2:30am. So I left for Infinito. I walked into the door I thought was Infinito, but found myself in Givenchy instead. It must have been fate, cause I found the girl I spotted earlier wearing the black suit coat and took her upstairs. Same layout as Matehuala. Her name was Fany, 22, very thin, soft skin, pretty face, a few crooked teeth. Found she had a great sense of humor, struck a deal for full service for 300 and off to the races. Great CBJ, excellent cowgirl, perrito and finish in reverse cowgirl. This was what I was waiting for all night. Only downside was no salidas. Too bad, I would repeat, but we will see what tonight brings.

See y'all at lunch...

RtW

No, this is Cindy #2...a distinct difference. However, both girls are very good at their jobs...both of them consumate pros. The difference is, Cindy #2 does NOT do salidas, not ever.

Cindy #1 has done them from the beginning. I know the guy from the board that took out Cindy #1. He was quite impressed with her. She promised to come back to see him after the deed was done, and she had been paid, but she never returned, which is her normal routine these days. She is very loving and pays a lot of attention to you. Plus, back in the day, she was one of the absolute hottest looking girls in Monterrey.

I actually bar fined her back in the day when she was only 23 years old (she is now 27) and she actually did return for me in those days at the PDA, actually took a trip to Reynosa with me once from MTY by bus, head on my shoulder the whole way...gloat, gloat, gloat....

But, she ditched me this last time when I bar fined her a couple of months ago. She has merely gotten older and more hardended with time. I will introduce you to her tonight. I want to go to Pasarelas and she will be working there. She only works Friday and Saturday. But, be prepared, she has turned into a cow the last time I saw her. I was not impressed with her. Not to mention that I was also not impressed with her on my last, and final, bar fine with her. But, between she and I there is much drama, much baggage, much emotion...she guards her emotions from me, and watches me like a hawk.

The only way I was able to bar fine Cindy #1 this last time was to pay an unbelievable bar fine and girl fee of 2500 pesos to get her out of Pasarelas. She really does worry about when we are together, and has a lot of memories that seemingly makes her concerned that, stepping onto USB emotional roller coaster, worrying that it could start all over again. She is very crazy, and her mood and emotions fluctuate wildly.

Anyway, the challenge still stands. Come to Extasis with me tonight and witness a marvel in Cindy #2. I bet you can not break her.

By the way, isn't it kind of depressing that all there is to do around here during the day is to write this crap on the board. I am really quite board. "G" is on the frickin' way but as always, she is reaffirming my faith in the unreliable reputation of all bar girls, consistently muy tarde.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Barfine succesfully Cindy #1???
Sorry to tell you but a guy from another forum did just that.
I have the emails to prove it....
I didn't mention it cause I found it was not worth it (plus, I have a bad memory when cross referncing Forums)[/QUOTE]

Nope, that's not him...
And you did say and I quote: "I challenge anyone to successfully barfine Cindy #1. Have at it... :-) "
I'll print the emails and take them to lunch...



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]No, this is Cindy #2...a distinct difference. However, both girls are very good at their jobs...both of them consumate pros. The difference is, Cindy #2 does NOT do salidas, not ever.

Cindy #1 has done them from the beginning. I know the guy from the board that took out Cindy #1. He was quite impressed with her. She promised to come back to see him after the deed was done, and she had been paid, but she never returned, which is her normal routine these days. She is very loving and pays a lot of attention to you. Plus, back in the day, she was one of the absolute hottest looking girls in Monterrey.

I actually bar fined her back in the day when she was only 23 years old (she is now 27) and she actually did return for me in those days at the PDA, actually took a trip to Reynosa with me once from MTY by bus, head on my shoulder the whole way...gloat, gloat, gloat....

But, she ditched me this last time when I bar fined her a couple of months ago. She has merely gotten older and more hardended with time. I will introduce you to her tonight. I want to go to Pasarelas and she will be working there. She only works Friday and Saturday. But, be prepared, she has turned into a cow the last time I saw her. I was not impressed with her. Not to mention that I was also not impressed with her on my last, and final, bar fine with her. But, between she and I there is much drama, much baggage, much emotion...she guards her emotions from me, and watches me like a hawk.

The only way I was able to bar fine Cindy #1 this last time was to pay an unbelievable bar fine and girl fee of 2500 pesos to get her out of Pasarelas. She really does worry about when we are together, and has a lot of memories that seemingly makes her concerned that, stepping onto USB emotional roller coaster, worrying that it could start all over again. She is very crazy, and her mood and emotions fluctuate wildly.

Anyway, the challenge still stands. Come to Extasis with me tonight and witness a marvel in Cindy #2. I bet you can not break her.

By the way, isn't it kind of depressing that all there is to do around here during the day is to write this crap on the board. I am really quite board. "G" is on the frickin' way but as always, she is reaffirming my faith in the unreliable reputation of all bar girls, consistently muy tarde.[/QUOTE]

While you guys try to figure out who's who, I'm starving. I'll see you all at the 'P' place around 2. I'll be heading over there in a few.

And this time I am not bringing any girls with me so I can play with the "P" place gilrs :-). The poor things. I have been taking my "X" girl with me lately. They do not stay. But I'll entertain them lovlies today.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Nope, that's not him...
And you did say and I quote: "I challenge anyone to successfully barfine Cindy #1. Have at it... :-) "
I'll print the emails and take them to lunch...[/QUOTE]

I meant to issue the challenge against Cindy #2, not Cindy #1. The challenge still stands. Just needed to clear that up. As for Cindy #1, working at Pasarelas, she is a relatively easy bar fine if you can come up with the money necessary to do so from an expensive place like Pasarelas. Bar fining from Pasarelas is pretty pricey. The guy that took her on salida did not pay a bar fine, and revealed that he had run into her by some other means, thereby avoiding the inflated cost. He described it as an odd chance meeting that presented the opportunity to see her.

Cyntia, Cindy #2, is still working at the Extasis, and told me she will not be working at Casino. I visited her on Friday night.

You will all be proud of me (Carlos). I only bought her three individual drinks this time, NO JARRAS.

She nursed them for quite a long time, apparently aware that I don't want to throw away my money on Jarras any more, and that I will "ground" her if she drinks her individual drinks too quickly.

I went to Extasis to get her phone number. I am still working on her, but not interested in spending too much on her to that end. If I buy her drinks, it's merely that she is more entertaining than bar fining a girl back to my room for sex. She IS that intellectually entertaining for me.

I am back in the "WastedG Land" (a play on words WastedG..."Wasteland" ie: my home town), and when I recover from my travels, I will post some more details of my recent trip. Stay tuned....

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Nope, that's not him...
And you did say and I quote: "I challenge anyone to successfully barfine Cindy #1. Have at it... :-) "
I'll print the emails and take them to lunch...[/QUOTE]

Well guys, my last night in town was fantastic unexpected ways. I was still feeling sleep-deprived when we met up in Prestige for lunch at 2pm. And the food seemed better than the selection of girls at the time. The only one who caught my eye was Amber the slender blonde. However Carlos gave me a stern warning against her and she was busy with other customers the whole time. In general , the midlevel clubs like Prestige and Obsession aren’t may favorites because they are almost as restrictive as American clubs. And the racket seems to be high-priced chica drinks, while offering little in return compared to the Infinito’s of the world.

So I was a little unenthused when we next hopped over to Obsession. But fate would prove me wrong. In Obsession, Carlos had a quick eye and spotted and retrieved one of the few hot slender ones (name withheld to prevent her getting in trouble with mgmt). Luckily she planted herself between me and USB. And thanks to USB for, I believe, letting me make the first swoop. She was fun to talk to, pretty, and importantly had a great attitude. She sat for quite a while without asking for a drink. Eventually I would order her a couple of Tequilas over the course of probably an hour which proved that a) she wasn’t just a drink scammer, and b) she liked to drink the hard stuff. Things felt right, so I made my pitch to meet outside after she finished work. As expected she agreed, but this time I actually believed her based on her cues. We made arrangements and I put a number out there, “mil pesos”, to which she replied, “mil besos”. Gotta love that.

But it was now only 4pm, so we all headed to Infinito, where there was an excellent day shift selection. J, X, P, S, and Y were all pretty delectable. Carlos found another S, who turned out to be the sister of F who I had the previous night at Givenchy. I had plans for the night with the Obsession girl, but if that fell thru S said she would talk to her sister F about doing a salida. I left early needing nap before my anticipated rendezvous with the Obsession girl. Before I left the club, I made plans to meet back there 11:30pm with Wasted who was going out clubbing with X and P when their shifts ended. I wasn’t sure how well that would work out, but it seemed like an interesting change of pace at the very least.

Later on, I went to the arranged spot to meet Obsession girl. Wasted had given me some wise advice which was to tell the girl to be there exactly ontime or else I would be gone. At the appointed time, there was no one. So I tried calling her but no response. I waited maybe ten minutes and was about to leave, when I saw her walking up the street. It was a nice surprise and I whisked her away to the Sheraton. I must say that it was the best, uninhibited session I’ve ever had in Monterrey. Top 10 overall, no further details necessary. I will definitely repeat with her (assuming you MTY experts don’t turn her into a hardened pro before I return ;)

It was rapidly approaching 11:30, so I tried to talk her into going out clubbing but she couldn’t tonight, but said she could on Saturday night. Alas it was my last night, so we reluctantly parted. I gave her the money without her asking and she did not count it. Great girl, top notch in all ways. If I could cultivate my own flock in MTY, it would begin with her. We left the hotel together and hopped in separate cabs.

I reached Infinito just after 11:30 and Wasted was still there. Shortly we left and met X and P waiting outside in a van driven by P’s boyfriend. X of course, is Wasted’s infamous X. P was her friend, a tall, pretty slender young thing whom I definitely would have sampled tonight at Infinito if I hadn’t already had my plans with Obsession girl. Now, getting in a beat up old van driven by two strippers and their boyfriend seemed like a bad idea at the time, but I did have the hots for P and figured Wasted knew what was safe. We went to a nightclub called Taboo, which turned out to be a gay/lesbian club complete with male and female gogo dancers. Wasted was tired and soon left. It was pretty strange to find myself with two 19 year old strippers in a gay lesbian bar in Mexico, dancing and singing to Spanish pop rock.

What kept me there was that P was dancing around the whole time and often pulling me out of my seat to dance with her. She desperately tried to teach me how to swing my hips like a stripper, and I taught her the YMCA dance when that song came on. Strange no one else seemed to know the YMCA thing, but several others caught on afterwards. Her boyfriend also turned out to be pretty cool and we had a few laughs and he wasn’t the jealous type (I guess that’s par for the course if your girlfriend works at Infinito). A few of X’s lesbian friends came round and hung out with us and were cool also. I guess the atmosphere of a gay lesbian club is pretty accepting of anyone including over thirty extranjeros like myself. There were straight couples, dykes, gay dudes, straight older dudes dancing by themselves and ogling P while she danced.

One cool moment was when this pretty, busty, blonde at the next table exchanged glances with me when her boyfriend was absent. Over the course of the night, she would give me the eye and say a few words. Eventually she danced over and straddled my leg while the boyfriend was gone. We discreetly parted ways before the boyfriend ever became aware.

After 3am we finally left Taboo, but X and her lesbian pal wanted to go to another club. P and her boyfriend left us at a place called Arco, which turned out to be a club with Transvestite entertainers. At this point I’d had enough, so I told the girls I was leaving, and to my surprise they insisted on leaving with me. We hopped in a cab. At this point, X’s lesbian pal and I had become friends and exchanged email addresses. X on the other hand had been pretty sullen since Wasted left the club. To Wasted’s credit, X said she missed him. One negative point was that X seemed to take every opportunity to stick the gringo for the tab (at Taboo for the drink bill, at Arco for the entry and on the cab ride home) a tendency of hers which Wasted had warned me about. The others, P, her boyfriend and the lesbian pal had not been like that. They were just cool normal people. The lesbian pal even called out X for being so mercenary. But I won’t let that detail get in the way of a fantastic night where I had had a spectacular salida and a uniquely fun night on the town with some cool local youth.

Thanks to Wasted for letting me tag along. And to USB for giving me dibs at Obsession. And of course to Carlos, for always being the ring leader of Monterrey. Can’t wait to return.

Wasted, pm me your email address and I will send you pictures of the girls at Taboo. USB where's the details of your night?

Cheers,
RtW

RTW and WastedG, and of course, I include my good friend Carlos in some of these comments here as well...

Guys, sorry I missed you on my last night in town. We will all see each other soon again I hope...I just know it.

I also feel very bad about missing Porker's call to my cell phone on Friday night. I was otherwise engaged in the privados with "G" when the phone rang, and I was preoccupied.

I assume it was Porker attempting to call because he was planning to be in MTY because he was going to be traveling to San Antonio later than night. I don't know if he ultimately stayed in MTY or if he went to San Antonio immediately after he couldn't reach me. I tried calling back that number that rang but there was no answer. He is generally calling me from a pay phone when he calls because he has no cell phone.

This little club of ours, a club of "regulars," seems to be growing. The more the merrier. It makes the entire experience so much more enjoyable when you guys are there with me in the clubs...

That having been said, I would not want anyone to construe that I am gay...I have referred to the following before, but it is so hilarious that I can't resist...

It brings to mind that politically correct joke from the Seinfeld episode where everyone thinks that Jerry is Gay because he is neat, clean, thin, unmarried at over 30 anos, etc...So, Jerry has a need to always tell everyone that he is not Gay. So, he is always saying, "NO, I AM NOT GAY!!!...not that there is anything wrong with that." Hilarious!!!

Anyway, back to the issue at hand. My last night in town was actually quite tame. I went to the Extasis around 9pm. My girl from the other night at Casino, Cyntia, was there working. She was not occupied, so we sat in the comfortable couches, and I purchased her a total of three individual drinks, and some tacos for dinner, the total cost just slightly more than the cost of one Jarra.

She attempted to get me to buy Jarras but I told her no, no more Jarras mi amor. She finally accepted that I had apparently wised up over the last few years. She was fortunate to get the Jarras from me at Casino the prior night, during a time that I know she was probably trying to impress the management on her first night's work there.

She has decided not to work at Casino, but will stay at Extasis. She told me she is comfortable at Extasis. I think it offers her a kind of security blanket, just because she was there so many years in the past. When we were at Casino together, she was growing increasingly worried about stripping on stage. She kept telling me that she felt embarrassment about it, and she was really quite apprehensive. Later, when we were at Extasis, she told me that after I left Casino, and she was scheduled to go on stage, she decided to leave the bar. She told me that right after I left she went home, and did not follow through, that she just could not strip up there. I find her state of mind interesting. She actually strikes me as being a pretty timid bar girl, seemingly losing some of her confidence compared to the past. I never really dreamed that she would have such an apprehension merely based on the venue. She is feeling the effects of her age?

As I mentioned, we also had some tacos for dinner there. The tacos we had were from a vendor that comes to the Extasis some nights and has food available outside. Cyntia told me that the food is really good, and that I should not worry about it. So, at her urging, I ate one of the tacos. It was really quite good. But, it was sooooooooooooo incredibly HoTTTTTT!!!

I only ate one of them, and perhaps they were uncharacteristically hot compared to usual, even for a pure bred Mexicana like she because Cyntia probably only ate maybe half of one in total. There were at least five of them on the small plate. Anyway, they tasted quite good to me, and I had no adverse "Gringo" style reactions to the quality of the food. So, I assume the food is ok...???

Cyntia and I have a really good time together always, and this was no exception. I was doing all my routine foolishness with her, all of which she had seen before, all of which significantly amused her in the past, and this was no exception. It was kind of like a couple of old friends, reminiscing their exploits together. Like a couple of old guys telling war stories (kind of sad, but sentimental)...

For me, upon quiet reflection, it is kind of sad to reminisce because you know it will never be quite the same. She has matured, changed slightly, become a slightly different girl in three years. She told me that she had tried to call my Mexico cell phone after she left Extasis, but there was no answer. Of course not, my Mexico cell phone does not work in the US. This time she punched her cell number into my Mexico phone, and told me never to lose it. I truly believe she is very attached to me emotionally, and I to her.

I was surprised when Cyntia and I were discussing the past and she told me that when I met her she was 18? years old. She told me that at the time, she told everyone she was 20, which I distinctly remember. I remember how she looked then, and believe me, she looked like a 18? year old, HOT, frickin' unbelievable high school deva. I will never forget her in those days. She was HOT, HOT, HOT!!! and still is.

But, after having a baby, she is not the HOT nubile girl she once was. She is still very attractive, actually quite attractive, but there have been changes. I notice she wears a lot of makeup now, and that her body is a little softer from having a baby. Her face shows age now, whereas her skin was flawless only three years ago. With the light just right, I could see where the makeup is covering it up.

She is still really HOT physically, and she is still exceptionally pretty, but she is not the 17 year old girl that I knew then, if in fact she is not lying about her age. Based on her apperance, I have my own doubts about her actual age, but that is another discussion. She told me that she is now 22 years old, which would have made her 18? years old when I met her. But, frankly, her skin is looking older than most 22 year old girls I know in MTY. She has either been lying to me about her intial age, or she is older that she cares to admit. Frankly, I do not think she is lying about her age. I remember how she looked five years ago. But, I do think, unfortunately, that she is aging rapidly. Que Lastima.

As Carlos has told me before, it is usually never as it once was when we engage in reunions with old flames. That is so true. But, still, Cyntia has the same force of personality and alure that I find almost irresistable.

I told her that I have so many regrets with her. I could never get her out of the club on salida. She would always offer to have sex with me onsite, but she would never agree to come to the hotel with me. She always had excuses. But, she would always tell me that she would take me upstairs and promise to rock my world there, no problem, actually acting like she would like to do it. But, of course, I never liked the on-site experience, and I don't always particularly like sex in and of itself.

Preferably, I like to develop a deeper meaning with a girl, and it is very hard to do it on-site, without all my props in the room to draw upon, my music, pocket rockets, good conversation, mucho tiempo para carino, etc...

So, I have always declined her offers to take me upstairs. She would always tell me that she wants to go with me upstairs, she not understanding why I do not want to take her up. It is not necessarily a money issue. It would actually be cheaper to screw her onsite. What I don't understand is that I would pay her the money either way, and if she were to go with me on salida, perhaps after work, then she would make the salida money and her salary.

I don't know what keeps her acting so unavailable. I know she trusts me. You all saw how she acted toward me in Casino, jumping on my like I am her long lost dream boat. I know she would go with me, but something keeps her in check. Maybe she has a boyfriend/esposo and can not really be seen outside the club. But, bottom line...as Carlos would say "So WHAT!!!, Don't pay any attention to them."

See Carlos, aren't you proud of me...I pay no attention to her, but my mind is always working, always calculating the angles. I have no expectation to ever actually get her on salida. I may decide to finally take her upstairs on my next trip, just to get her out of my system, just as I did with Cindy #1 at Pasarelas. But, I have all but given up on throwing money at the situation in hopes that she will eventually break down. I am wiser in that respect. I may buy her drinks, but it will only be because I want to see her, and not with an eye toward a future expectation.

What she does not understand is that I do not want to have sex with her, I want to make love to her. I do not care about the sex, but the combination of our history, our apparent affection for each other, which I believe is truly mutual, and my need to know her intimately includes much more than merely having sex with her. Maybe as she matures she will someday understand. I tried to make her understand on this trip, but trying to discuss these issues in Spanish, issues that include such abstract ideas, is very difficult for me to express.

Anyway, I am through throwing money at the situation. If I go to see her it will be with the expectation that I am only going to have fun with her, within the relatively anticeptic environment of the club itself, and only because I enjoy her company. She IS very affectionate toward me when we are together huddled on the couch in the dark corner of the club. I have really never seen her act with other customers like she acts with me, and I have watched her many times from afar when she did not know I was in the club. Que Lastima, I know I could win her over if she would just go on salida with me.

I returned to the hotel around 11pm. Yeah, it really took Cyntia two hours to consume three drinks. She was being very good to me, trying not to be too mercenary. I think she has decided that she needs to curb her ways slightly. She seems significantly less confident in her abilities now after having had her baby, perhaps feeling the effects of her increased age, perhaps resulting in her own sense that guys are not falling at her feet any more like they once were. Oh, what a difference just three years makes in the life of a bar girl.

While I was there, she danced on stage. She is still HOT, but not the same HOT body she once had. Don't misunderstand...she is still really quite frickin' unbelievably HOT, but there is a difference, and she already knows it.

I was so tired around 11pm, that I just went back to the hotel and went to sleep after that. I knew that I would have to catch the bus to Laredo in the morning, probably around 7am. I knew I would need time to pack, check out, etc...which meant getting up around 5:30am for me. So, I just went back to the room and went to bed, visions of sugar plum chicas dancing in my head :-)

On another note...

RTW, I have a different take on waiting for the girls to show up. I usually wait about 45 minutes to an hour. Most of the time, I find that if I had chosen to leave, I would have missed them altogether. Sometimes, the girls are coming from far away, and it takes them longer to get somewhere due to traffic, etc...Plus, many of the girls are just not punctual. It is their makeup. WastedG has success with telling them he will not wait...but, we also don't know how many of them he might have missed after having left on cue.

Nothing frustrates me more than having to wait for them. Usually, if I have their cell phone number, I will call them up to verify they are coming when the time is close, or when they are running slightly late. Sometimes they answer and tell me they're on the way, sometimes they can't come, sometimes they forgot, etc...They are of a class that is not reliable. If you expect them to be reliable, and show up at the appointed time, more often than not you will be disappointed. But, there are a number of them that will at least eventually show up. I have had more late shows than I can count, but at least they did show up.

Plus, the way I figure it, I have no other direct options that will provide me immediate gratification without having to first invest more time in cultivating a newbie girl. Travel time to the club, talking to the girl, buying drinks, privados, etc...it is all time consuming as well. Or, if I go to one of the clubs to pay the salida in lieu of meeting the girl that is running late, then it's costing me the salida fee as an additional expense. So, I always feel it's worth it to invest a little extra time to permit them a window of opportunity to show up. It is to my best advantage to have at least that kind of flexibility. However, I think it's probably wise to have a discussion with them about being punctual, telling them you will leave if they are not punctual. It seems to work for WastedG.

[QUOTE=Round the World]Well guys, my last night in town was fantastic unexpected ways. I was still feeling sleep-deprived when we met up in Prestige for lunch at 2pm. And the food seemed better than the selection of girls at the time. The only one who caught my eye was Amber the slender blonde. However Carlos gave me a stern warning against her and she was busy with other customers the whole time. In general , the midlevel clubs like Prestige and Obsession aren’t may favorites because they are almost as restrictive as American clubs. And the racket seems to be high-priced chica drinks, while offering little in return compared to the Infinito’s of the world.

So I was a little unenthused when we next hopped over to Obsession. But fate would prove me wrong. In Obsession, Carlos had a quick eye and spotted and retrieved one of the few hot slender ones (name withheld to prevent her getting in trouble with mgmt). Luckily she planted herself between me and USB. And thanks to USB for, I believe, letting me make the first swoop. She was fun to talk to, pretty, and importantly had a great attitude. She sat for quite a while without asking for a drink. Eventually I would order her a couple of Tequilas over the course of probably an hour which proved that a) she wasn’t just a drink scammer, and b) she liked to drink the hard stuff. Things felt right, so I made my pitch to meet outside after she finished work. As expected she agreed, but this time I actually believed her based on her cues. We made arrangements and I put a number out there, “mil pesos”, to which she replied, “mil besos”. Gotta love that.

But it was now only 4pm, so we all headed to Infinito, where there was an excellent day shift selection. J, X, P, S, and Y were all pretty delectable. Carlos found another S, who turned out to be the sister of F who I had the previous night at Givenchy. I had plans for the night with the Obsession girl, but if that fell thru S said she would talk to her sister F about doing a salida. I left early needing nap before my anticipated rendezvous with the Obsession girl. Before I left the club, I made plans to meet back there 11:30pm with Wasted who was going out clubbing with X and P when their shifts ended. I wasn’t sure how well that would work out, but it seemed like an interesting change of pace at the very least.

Later on, I went to the arranged spot to meet Obsession girl. Wasted had given me some wise advice which was to tell the girl to be there exactly ontime or else I would be gone. At the appointed time, there was no one. So I tried calling her but no response. I waited maybe ten minutes and was about to leave, when I saw her walking up the street. It was a nice surprise and I whisked her away to the Sheraton. I must say that it was the best, uninhibited session I’ve ever had in Monterrey. Top 10 overall, no further details necessary. I will definitely repeat with her (assuming you MTY experts don’t turn her into a hardened pro before I return ;)

It was rapidly approaching 11:30, so I tried to talk her into going out clubbing but she couldn’t tonight, but said she could on Saturday night. Alas it was my last night, so we reluctantly parted. I gave her the money without her asking and she did not count it. Great girl, top notch in all ways. If I could cultivate my own flock in MTY, it would begin with her. We left the hotel together and hopped in separate cabs.

I reached Infinito just after 11:30 and Wasted was still there. Shortly we left and met X and P waiting outside in a van driven by P’s boyfriend. X of course, is Wasted’s infamous X. P was her friend, a tall, pretty slender young thing whom I definitely would have sampled tonight at Infinito if I hadn’t already had my plans with Obsession girl. Now, getting in a beat up old van driven by two strippers and their boyfriend seemed like a bad idea at the time, but I did have the hots for P and figured Wasted knew what was safe. We went to a nightclub called Taboo, which turned out to be a gay/lesbian club complete with male and female gogo dancers. Wasted was tired and soon left. It was pretty strange to find myself with two 19 year old strippers in a gay lesbian bar in Mexico, dancing and singing to Spanish pop rock.

What kept me there was that P was dancing around the whole time and often pulling me out of my seat to dance with her. She desperately tried to teach me how to swing my hips like a stripper, and I taught her the YMCA dance when that song came on. Strange no one else seemed to know the YMCA thing, but several others caught on afterwards. Her boyfriend also turned out to be pretty cool and we had a few laughs and he wasn’t the jealous type (I guess that’s par for the course if your girlfriend works at Infinito). A few of X’s lesbian friends came round and hung out with us and were cool also. I guess the atmosphere of a gay lesbian club is pretty accepting of anyone including over thirty extranjeros like myself. There were straight couples, dykes, gay dudes, straight older dudes dancing by themselves and ogling P while she danced.

One cool moment was when this pretty, busty, blonde at the next table exchanged glances with me when her boyfriend was absent. Over the course of the night, she would give me the eye and say a few words. Eventually she danced over and straddled my leg while the boyfriend was gone. We discreetly parted ways before the boyfriend ever became aware.

After 3am we finally left Taboo, but X and her lesbian pal wanted to go to another club. P and her boyfriend left us at a place called Arco, which turned out to be a club with Transvestite entertainers. At this point I’d had enough, so I told the girls I was leaving, and to my surprise they insisted on leaving with me. We hopped in a cab. At this point, X’s lesbian pal and I had become friends and exchanged email addresses. X on the other hand had been pretty sullen since Wasted left the club. To Wasted’s credit, X said she missed him. One negative point was that X seemed to take every opportunity to stick the gringo for the tab (at Taboo for the drink bill, at Arco for the entry and on the cab ride home) a tendency of hers which Wasted had warned me about. The others, P, her boyfriend and the lesbian pal had not been like that. They were just cool normal people. The lesbian pal even called out X for being so mercenary. But I won’t let that detail get in the way of a fantastic night where I had had a spectacular salida and a uniquely fun night on the town with some cool local youth.

Thanks to Wasted for letting me tag along. And to USB for giving me dibs at Obsession. And of course to Carlos, for always being the ring leader of Monterrey. Can’t wait to return.

Wasted, pm me your email address and I will send you pictures of the girls at Taboo. USB where's the details of your night?

Cheers,
RtW[/QUOTE]

I can't believe Wasted left you alone with X and P at the Taboo.
Saturday there was a turn of events between X and P: X is angry with P. X is so unstable (that is why I never get close to her) that they are quarreling now.
Knowing the conditions of how they live, both X and P live with 2 guys and they screw them just for living quarters, Wasted openly was wrong in leaving you alone.
Specially since what you are telling, that someone was trying to hit on you at the Taboo... RTW, you were lucky and I am not kidding.




[QUOTE=Round the World]Well guys, my last night in town was fantastic unexpected ways. I was still feeling sleep-deprived when we met up in Prestige for lunch at 2pm. And the food seemed better than the selection of girls at the time. The only one who caught my eye was Amber the slender blonde. However Carlos gave me a stern warning against her and she was busy with other customers the whole time. In general , the midlevel clubs like Prestige and Obsession aren’t may favorites because they are almost as restrictive as American clubs. And the racket seems to be high-priced chica drinks, while offering little in return compared to the Infinito’s of the world.

So I was a little unenthused when we next hopped over to Obsession. But fate would prove me wrong. In Obsession, Carlos had a quick eye and spotted and retrieved one of the few hot slender ones (name withheld to prevent her getting in trouble with mgmt). Luckily she planted herself between me and USB. And thanks to USB for, I believe, letting me make the first swoop. She was fun to talk to, pretty, and importantly had a great attitude. She sat for quite a while without asking for a drink. Eventually I would order her a couple of Tequilas over the course of probably an hour which proved that a) she wasn’t just a drink scammer, and b) she liked to drink the hard stuff. Things felt right, so I made my pitch to meet outside after she finished work. As expected she agreed, but this time I actually believed her based on her cues. We made arrangements and I put a number out there, “mil pesos”, to which she replied, “mil besos”. Gotta love that.

But it was now only 4pm, so we all headed to Infinito, where there was an excellent day shift selection. J, X, P, S, and Y were all pretty delectable. Carlos found another S, who turned out to be the sister of F who I had the previous night at Givenchy. I had plans for the night with the Obsession girl, but if that fell thru S said she would talk to her sister F about doing a salida. I left early needing nap before my anticipated rendezvous with the Obsession girl. Before I left the club, I made plans to meet back there 11:30pm with Wasted who was going out clubbing with X and P when their shifts ended. I wasn’t sure how well that would work out, but it seemed like an interesting change of pace at the very least.

Later on, I went to the arranged spot to meet Obsession girl. Wasted had given me some wise advice which was to tell the girl to be there exactly ontime or else I would be gone. At the appointed time, there was no one. So I tried calling her but no response. I waited maybe ten minutes and was about to leave, when I saw her walking up the street. It was a nice surprise and I whisked her away to the Sheraton. I must say that it was the best, uninhibited session I’ve ever had in Monterrey. Top 10 overall, no further details necessary. I will definitely repeat with her (assuming you MTY experts don’t turn her into a hardened pro before I return ;)

It was rapidly approaching 11:30, so I tried to talk her into going out clubbing but she couldn’t tonight, but said she could on Saturday night. Alas it was my last night, so we reluctantly parted. I gave her the money without her asking and she did not count it. Great girl, top notch in all ways. If I could cultivate my own flock in MTY, it would begin with her. We left the hotel together and hopped in separate cabs.

I reached Infinito just after 11:30 and Wasted was still there. Shortly we left and met X and P waiting outside in a van driven by P’s boyfriend. X of course, is Wasted’s infamous X. P was her friend, a tall, pretty slender young thing whom I definitely would have sampled tonight at Infinito if I hadn’t already had my plans with Obsession girl. Now, getting in a beat up old van driven by two strippers and their boyfriend seemed like a bad idea at the time, but I did have the hots for P and figured Wasted knew what was safe. We went to a nightclub called Taboo, which turned out to be a gay/lesbian club complete with male and female gogo dancers. Wasted was tired and soon left. It was pretty strange to find myself with two 19 year old strippers in a gay lesbian bar in Mexico, dancing and singing to Spanish pop rock.

What kept me there was that P was dancing around the whole time and often pulling me out of my seat to dance with her. She desperately tried to teach me how to swing my hips like a stripper, and I taught her the YMCA dance when that song came on. Strange no one else seemed to know the YMCA thing, but several others caught on afterwards. Her boyfriend also turned out to be pretty cool and we had a few laughs and he wasn’t the jealous type (I guess that’s par for the course if your girlfriend works at Infinito). A few of X’s lesbian friends came round and hung out with us and were cool also. I guess the atmosphere of a gay lesbian club is pretty accepting of anyone including over thirty extranjeros like myself. There were straight couples, dykes, gay dudes, straight older dudes dancing by themselves and ogling P while she danced.

One cool moment was when this pretty, busty, blonde at the next table exchanged glances with me when her boyfriend was absent. Over the course of the night, she would give me the eye and say a few words. Eventually she danced over and straddled my leg while the boyfriend was gone. We discreetly parted ways before the boyfriend ever became aware.

After 3am we finally left Taboo, but X and her lesbian pal wanted to go to another club. P and her boyfriend left us at a place called Arco, which turned out to be a club with Transvestite entertainers. At this point I’d had enough, so I told the girls I was leaving, and to my surprise they insisted on leaving with me. We hopped in a cab. At this point, X’s lesbian pal and I had become friends and exchanged email addresses. X on the other hand had been pretty sullen since Wasted left the club. To Wasted’s credit, X said she missed him. One negative point was that X seemed to take every opportunity to stick the gringo for the tab (at Taboo for the drink bill, at Arco for the entry and on the cab ride home) a tendency of hers which Wasted had warned me about. The others, P, her boyfriend and the lesbian pal had not been like that. They were just cool normal people. The lesbian pal even called out X for being so mercenary. But I won’t let that detail get in the way of a fantastic night where I had had a spectacular salida and a uniquely fun night on the town with some cool local youth.

Thanks to Wasted for letting me tag along. And to USB for giving me dibs at Obsession. And of course to Carlos, for always being the ring leader of Monterrey. Can’t wait to return.

Wasted, pm me your email address and I will send you pictures of the girls at Taboo. USB where's the details of your night?

Cheers,
RtW[/QUOTE]

I have been reading this thread for a few weeks but have to admit it is a bit cryptic to decipher sometimes with all the abreviations etc. I will be in monterrey in a few weeks and am trying to get a good scoop on what my options are. I have a hotel booked and have been to monterrey previously but did not venture out into the clubs etc.

I'd also like suggestions on places to eat or to maybe see some live music being performed. I like all types of music but am a very picky eater. I am a meat and potatos type of guy and am not real big on mexican food unfortunately. I like fajitas but PLAIN no guacamole etc. basically fajitas are grilled skirt steak and for skirt steak I'd rather eat at an argentinean steak place. . . are there any in Monterrey? I have been to argentinean places in GDL and queretaro.

In GDL I was fine eating at the hard rock. . ..I know it is a chain and not all that great but sometimes I just want some wings!

What are the best places to go to to see some nice ladies dancing or otherwise? I may try to stay the weekend and if any other isg guys are in town I'd be happy to buy the drinks! I'll be down the end of march for at least 2 nights and maybe more.

Are you going to be staying again at the CP again (nuts!!! another ab. CP=Crowne Plaza)?
If you are staying at the CP, you'll be staying smack in the middle of no good franchise food chains. You'll need to go to the Gonzalitos Ave are where the Italianis and the Applebee's can be found at Plaza Real.
Or for more options you need to go to the Colonia del Valle section (cutting through the Loma Larga tunnel) where all the best options for food are found including franchise such as Beniggans, Chilis, Applebees again, and all the hamburger fast food chains from the US.
Wasted can vouch for the El Papalote restaurant, plus the Chinese fine restaurants we have been going to.
For Argentinian restaurants, you are far away too. Need to go to El Gaucho (the best here) and for fine regional meat cuts, El Mirador (Wasted can vouch for this one too), on Constitucion Ave, same Ave as where the CP is and quite close too, no more than 3 minutes away.
And as for "fine ladies dancing", you need to tell how much you are willing to spend per night....


[QUOTE=Prtyr2]I have been reading this thread for a few weeks but have to admit it is a bit cryptic to decipher sometimes with all the abreviations etc. I will be in monterrey in a few weeks and am trying to get a good scoop on what my options are. I have a hotel booked and have been to monterrey previously but did not venture out into the clubs etc.

I'd also like suggestions on places to eat or to maybe see some live music being performed. I like all types of music but am a very picky eater. I am a meat and potatos type of guy and am not real big on mexican food unfortunately. I like fajitas but PLAIN no guacamole etc. basically fajitas are grilled skirt steak and for skirt steak I'd rather eat at an argentinean steak place. . . are there any in Monterrey? I have been to argentinean places in GDL and queretaro.

In GDL I was fine eating at the hard rock. . ..I know it is a chain and not all that great but sometimes I just want some wings!

What are the best places to go to to see some nice ladies dancing or otherwise? I may try to stay the weekend and if any other isg guys are in town I'd be happy to buy the drinks! I'll be down the end of march for at least 2 nights and maybe more.[/QUOTE]

RTW, glad you had a good time. Now you have a taste of the kind of fun I have. And .. you ain't seen nothing yet :-)

Correction, the girl you had at the "O" place was called over for me. I, and I usually do this, ask USB, decided she was your type and you have not had your fun yet. I thought I would be happier seeing you enjoy yourself before you leave rather than me be with a girl and seeing you bored. I have done this will all of my friends. I usually throw my girl(s) on them and let them get a taste. If they like, they can keep. I guess I was correct.

Anyways, you also got a taste of my "X". And still, you ain't seen nothing yet. But trust me, you do NOT want to see more from 'X". Carlos knows I can tame her. But she is trouble. Although she is a load of fun. And damn hot as hell.

Back to Carlos' comments. Yes, I may have been wrong leaving you behind, but I really did not see any threat while I was there for an hour and a half. I asked the "P" and "X" girls to dance with you to make sure you were not bored. And I could see they were doing just that and you were enjoying yourself. So I felt it was OK to leave you with 2 hot 18 and 19 y/o hottest girls in the club. The fact that they had a local boy with them was a safe zone as well. But next time, I'll keep an eye on you. Had I not been so knocked out, by "X" earlier in the evening, I would not have left at all.

I'll PM you with my email address.

It was great meeting you RTW. The girls asked me about you at the "I" Saturday night.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Round the World]Well guys, my last night in town was fantastic unexpected ways. I was still feeling sleep-deprived when we met up in Prestige for lunch at 2pm. And the food seemed better than the selection of girls at the time. The only one who caught my eye was Amber the slender blonde. However Carlos gave me a stern warning against her and she was busy with other customers the whole time. In general , the midlevel clubs like Prestige and Obsession aren’t may favorites because they are almost as restrictive as American clubs. And the racket seems to be high-priced chica drinks, while offering little in return compared to the Infinito’s of the world.

So I was a little unenthused when we next hopped over to Obsession. But fate would prove me wrong. In Obsession, Carlos had a quick eye and spotted and retrieved one of the few hot slender ones (name withheld to prevent her getting in trouble with mgmt). Luckily she planted herself between me and USB. And thanks to USB for, I believe, letting me make the first swoop. She was fun to talk to, pretty, and importantly had a great attitude. She sat for quite a while without asking for a drink. Eventually I would order her a couple of Tequilas over the course of probably an hour which proved that a) she wasn’t just a drink scammer, and b) she liked to drink the hard stuff. Things felt right, so I made my pitch to meet outside after she finished work. As expected she agreed, but this time I actually believed her based on her cues. We made arrangements and I put a number out there, “mil pesos”, to which she replied, “mil besos”. Gotta love that.

But it was now only 4pm, so we all headed to Infinito, where there was an excellent day shift selection. J, X, P, S, and Y were all pretty delectable. Carlos found another S, who turned out to be the sister of F who I had the previous night at Givenchy. I had plans for the night with the Obsession girl, but if that fell thru S said she would talk to her sister F about doing a salida. I left early needing nap before my anticipated rendezvous with the Obsession girl. Before I left the club, I made plans to meet back there 11:30pm with Wasted who was going out clubbing with X and P when their shifts ended. I wasn’t sure how well that would work out, but it seemed like an interesting change of pace at the very least.

Later on, I went to the arranged spot to meet Obsession girl. Wasted had given me some wise advice which was to tell the girl to be there exactly ontime or else I would be gone. At the appointed time, there was no one. So I tried calling her but no response. I waited maybe ten minutes and was about to leave, when I saw her walking up the street. It was a nice surprise and I whisked her away to the Sheraton. I must say that it was the best, uninhibited session I’ve ever had in Monterrey. Top 10 overall, no further details necessary. I will definitely repeat with her (assuming you MTY experts don’t turn her into a hardened pro before I return ;)

It was rapidly approaching 11:30, so I tried to talk her into going out clubbing but she couldn’t tonight, but said she could on Saturday night. Alas it was my last night, so we reluctantly parted. I gave her the money without her asking and she did not count it. Great girl, top notch in all ways. If I could cultivate my own flock in MTY, it would begin with her. We left the hotel together and hopped in separate cabs.

I reached Infinito just after 11:30 and Wasted was still there. Shortly we left and met X and P waiting outside in a van driven by P’s boyfriend. X of course, is Wasted’s infamous X. P was her friend, a tall, pretty slender young thing whom I definitely would have sampled tonight at Infinito if I hadn’t already had my plans with Obsession girl. Now, getting in a beat up old van driven by two strippers and their boyfriend seemed like a bad idea at the time, but I did have the hots for P and figured Wasted knew what was safe. We went to a nightclub called Taboo, which turned out to be a gay/lesbian club complete with male and female gogo dancers. Wasted was tired and soon left. It was pretty strange to find myself with two 19 year old strippers in a gay lesbian bar in Mexico, dancing and singing to Spanish pop rock.

What kept me there was that P was dancing around the whole time and often pulling me out of my seat to dance with her. She desperately tried to teach me how to swing my hips like a stripper, and I taught her the YMCA dance when that song came on. Strange no one else seemed to know the YMCA thing, but several others caught on afterwards. Her boyfriend also turned out to be pretty cool and we had a few laughs and he wasn’t the jealous type (I guess that’s par for the course if your girlfriend works at Infinito). A few of X’s lesbian friends came round and hung out with us and were cool also. I guess the atmosphere of a gay lesbian club is pretty accepting of anyone including over thirty extranjeros like myself. There were straight couples, dykes, gay dudes, straight older dudes dancing by themselves and ogling P while she danced.

One cool moment was when this pretty, busty, blonde at the next table exchanged glances with me when her boyfriend was absent. Over the course of the night, she would give me the eye and say a few words. Eventually she danced over and straddled my leg while the boyfriend was gone. We discreetly parted ways before the boyfriend ever became aware.

After 3am we finally left Taboo, but X and her lesbian pal wanted to go to another club. P and her boyfriend left us at a place called Arco, which turned out to be a club with Transvestite entertainers. At this point I’d had enough, so I told the girls I was leaving, and to my surprise they insisted on leaving with me. We hopped in a cab. At this point, X’s lesbian pal and I had become friends and exchanged email addresses. X on the other hand had been pretty sullen since Wasted left the club. To Wasted’s credit, X said she missed him. One negative point was that X seemed to take every opportunity to stick the gringo for the tab (at Taboo for the drink bill, at Arco for the entry and on the cab ride home) a tendency of hers which Wasted had warned me about. The others, P, her boyfriend and the lesbian pal had not been like that. They were just cool normal people. The lesbian pal even called out X for being so mercenary. But I won’t let that detail get in the way of a fantastic night where I had had a spectacular salida and a uniquely fun night on the town with some cool local youth.

Thanks to Wasted for letting me tag along. And to USB for giving me dibs at Obsession. And of course to Carlos, for always being the ring leader of Monterrey. Can’t wait to return.

Wasted, pm me your email address and I will send you pictures of the girls at Taboo. USB where's the details of your night?

Cheers,
RtW[/QUOTE]

When I tell people that I am going to MTY for the good food, I am not kidding.

I have been around the world and I have never tasted food as good as the food in MTY. You want to enjoy a good meal, follow Carlos. I nearly die every time we go out for lunch. The food is GREAT.

I’m talking about food, not the girls. Although the girls are not bad either.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Are you going to be staying again at the CP again (nuts!!! another ab. CP=Crowne Plaza)?
If you are staying at the CP, you'll be staying smack in the middle of no good franchise food chains. You'll need to go to the Gonzalitos Ave are where the Italianis and the Applebee's can be found at Plaza Real.
Or for more options you need to go to the Colonia del Valle section (cutting through the Loma Larga tunnel) where all the best options for food are found including franchise such as Beniggans, Chilis, Applebees again, and all the hamburger fast food chains from the US.
Wasted can vouch for the El Papalote restaurant, plus the Chinese fine restaurants we have been going to.
For Argentinian restaurants, you are far away too. Need to go to El Gaucho (the best here) and for fine regional meat cuts, El Mirador (Wasted can vouch for this one too), on Constitucion Ave, same Ave as where the CP is and quite close too, no more than 3 minutes away.
And as for "fine ladies dancing", you need to tell how much you are willing to spend per night....[/QUOTE]

About Cynthia from Extasis, you mention:
"She has decided not to work at Casino, but will stay at Extasis. She told me she is comfortable at Extasis. I think it offers her a kind of security blanket, just because she was there so many years in the past. "
MY OPINON: This could be true in the past. The Extasis is no longer property of Fufito and family, so things have change for her. There can no longer be a security blanket.

"When we were at Casino together, she was growing increasingly worried about stripping on stage. She kept telling me that she felt embarrassment about it, and she was really quite apprehensive. Later, when we were at Extasis, she told me that after I left Casino, and she was scheduled to go on stage, she decided to leave the bar. She told me that right after I left she went home, and did not follow through, that she just could not strip up there. I find her state of mind interesting. She actually strikes me as being a pretty timid bar girl, seemingly losing some of her confidence compared to the past. I never really dreamed that she would have such an apprehension merely based on the venue. She is feeling the effects of her age?"
MY OP: Pretty timid... My foot. May I point out to the readers of this Thread that I used to see this girl at the Extasis before the USB era. Let me tell you that I scratched out her name from my List cause she has no sex with customers and it seems she hasn't changed at all. Iam gonna sound very Porkish here, but this Cynthia is a total waste of time and my friend USB, you are wasting time with a girl that is passé, out, wasted and no good.
Of course she cannot work at the Casino, where 95% of the girls get their extra income from FS, contrary to the old Extasis where the income of the house and the girls were drinks, and no FS was requiered from the girls.
But that was then, this is now and the new Extasis, a business that is the pits right now has opted to follow the style of all the regular SCs.
After reading USBs post I can only say that the only thing that hasn't changed in Cynthia is the style. Keeps on trying to hook you again and again.
No señor... get rid of her USB. Cynthia makes you wast time on her, time you could use looking for better girls....




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]RTW and WastedG, and of course, I include my good friend Carlos in some of these comments here as well...

Guys, sorry I missed you on my last night in town. We will all see each other soon again I hope...I just know it.

I also feel very bad about missing Porker's call to my cell phone on Friday night. I was otherwise engaged in the privados with "G" when the phone rang, and I was preoccupied.

I assume it was Porker attempting to call because he was planning to be in MTY because he was going to be traveling to San Antonio later than night. I don't know if he ultimately stayed in MTY or if he went to San Antonio immediately after he couldn't reach me. I tried calling back that number that rang but there was no answer. He is generally calling me from a pay phone when he calls because he has no cell phone.

This little club of ours, a club of "regulars," seems to be growing. The more the merrier. It makes the entire experience so much more enjoyable when you guys are there with me in the clubs...

That having been said, I would not want anyone to construe that I am gay...I have referred to the following before, but it is so hilarious that I can't resist...

It brings to mind that politically correct joke from the Seinfeld episode where everyone thinks that Jerry is Gay because he is neat, clean, thin, unmarried at over 30 anos, etc...So, Jerry has a need to always tell everyone that he is not Gay. So, he is always saying, "NO, I AM NOT GAY!!!...not that there is anything wrong with that." Hilarious!!!

Anyway, back to the issue at hand. My last night in town was actually quite tame. I went to the Extasis around 9pm. My girl from the other night at Casino, Cyntia, was there working. She was not occupied, so we sat in the comfortable couches, and I purchased her a total of three individual drinks, and some tacos for dinner, the total cost just slightly more than the cost of one Jarra.

She attempted to get me to buy Jarras but I told her no, no more Jarras mi amor. She finally accepted that I had apparently wised up over the last few years. She was fortunate to get the Jarras from me at Casino the prior night, during a time that I know she was probably trying to impress the management on her first night's work there.

On another note...

RTW, I have a different take on waiting for the girls to show up. I usually wait about 45 minutes to an hour. Most of the time, I find that if I had chosen to leave, I would have missed them altogether. Sometimes, the girls are coming from far away, and it takes them longer to get somewhere due to traffic, etc...Plus, many of the girls are just not punctual. It is their makeup. WastedG has success with telling them he will not wait...but, we also don't know how many of them he might have missed after having left on cue.

Nothing frustrates me more than having to wait for them. Usually, if I have their cell phone number, I will call them up to verify they are coming when the time is close, or when they are running slightly late. Sometimes they answer and tell me they're on the way, sometimes they can't come, sometimes they forgot, etc...They are of a class that is not reliable. If you expect them to be reliable, and show up at the appointed time, more often than not you will be disappointed. But, there are a number of them that will at least eventually show up. I have had more late shows than I can count, but at least they did show up.

Plus, the way I figure it, I have no other direct options that will provide me immediate gratification without having to first invest more time in cultivating a newbie girl. Travel time to the club, talking to the girl, buying drinks, privados, etc...it is all time consuming as well. Or, if I go to one of the clubs to pay the salida in lieu of meeting the girl that is running late, then it's costing me the salida fee as an additional expense. So, I always feel it's worth it to invest a little extra time to permit them a window of opportunity to show up. It is to my best advantage to have at least that kind of flexibility. However, I think it's probably wise to have a discussion with them about being punctual, telling them you will leave if they are not punctual. It seems to work for WastedG.[/QUOTE]

Hey RTW.
I can't send you PM's, you are over PM quota.
You need to erase your PMs...

Man...I can not believe you have hit 405 posts!!! Good Job CP!!!!!

As for Cynthia, she is STILL one of the most entertaining of all bar girls in Monterrey. She did not play me on Friday night...three ladies drinks, no more, and I spent two hours with her.

So, the way I see it, that is no worse than the drink expenditures I see being made at Obsession and Prestige by someone we know, and with little or no "benefits" apparently being realized for outside fun compared to my apparent circumstances with Cynthia, verdad?

Cynthia had vowed to take me upstairs at Extasis and do anything I want. I speculate that it would certainly cost less than taking her to the hotel on salida. But, the true point of it is, whether, for the money spent of drinks, I am enjoying myself. You, Carlos, always said that such things were the criteria by which to judge the expenditure.

I have certainly spent significantly more on privados at Infinito, probably in a shorter period of time than two hours. So, the way I see it, at least with respect to last Friday, Cynthia earned her money.

I do agree that she is feeling the pinch as a result of the decline of Extasis. But, none-the-less, her security blanket is not monetary, it is psychological in nature. It's just that the "hard-times" haven't forced her out of the place yet. I look for that to happen sooner than later because it was quite dead, even on a Friday night, when most other clubs are filled to the brim.

But, actually, I enjoyed the fact that there were only a few patrons there last Friday night, probably less than 20 customers between 9pm-11pm. But, there were a few good looking girls available in addition to Cynthia. I will definitely check it out again on my next trip just to see what other talent is available.

You know me, I don't really like the weekend nights in MTY, so to have an alternative like Extasis, with a more tranquilo environment, might be just the ticket for my last night in town. Usually, by Friday night, I am starting to wear down. Plus, the competition from the hords of clients in the clubs doesn't help matters. A place like Extasis might be just the ticket on Friday nights.

I am very curious to see to what extent Cyntia is willing to perform with me upstairs. Believe me, if she does go against her reputation, and if she does deliver the goods, all be they in the confines of the club, I will let you know.

She has already done some things with me in that room they used to have there, the one that used to be totally private. She did some things that went pretty far, violating a few mucus membranes, if that be the criteria by which to establish the potential. Cynthia is going to have to change in order to survive, especially the older she gets. When she is ready, I will be waiting. So, don't count me out yet. Oh, ye of little faith!!!

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]About Cynthia from Extasis, you mention:
"She has decided not to work at Casino, but will stay at Extasis. She told me she is comfortable at Extasis. I think it offers her a kind of security blanket, just because she was there so many years in the past. "
MY OPINON: This could be true in the past. The Extasis is no longer property of Fufito and family, so things have change for her. There can no longer be a security blanket.

"When we were at Casino together, she was growing increasingly worried about stripping on stage. She kept telling me that she felt embarrassment about it, and she was really quite apprehensive. Later, when we were at Extasis, she told me that after I left Casino, and she was scheduled to go on stage, she decided to leave the bar. She told me that right after I left she went home, and did not follow through, that she just could not strip up there. I find her state of mind interesting. She actually strikes me as being a pretty timid bar girl, seemingly losing some of her confidence compared to the past. I never really dreamed that she would have such an apprehension merely based on the venue. She is feeling the effects of her age?"
MY OP: Pretty timid... My foot. May I point out to the readers of this Thread that I used to see this girl at the Extasis before the USB era. Let me tell you that I scratched out her name from my List cause she has no sex with customers and it seems she hasn't changed at all. Iam gonna sound very Porkish here, but this Cynthia is a total waste of time and my friend USB, you are wasting time with a girl that is passé, out, wasted and no good.
Of course she cannot work at the Casino, where 95% of the girls get their extra income from FS, contrary to the old Extasis where the income of the house and the girls were drinks, and no FS was requiered from the girls.
But that was then, this is now and the new Extasis, a business that is the pits right now has opted to follow the style of all the regular SCs.
After reading USBs post I can only say that the only thing that hasn't changed in Cynthia is the style. Keeps on trying to hook you again and again.
No señor... get rid of her USB. Cynthia makes you wast time on her, time you could use looking for better girls....[/QUOTE]

My PM mailbox is all clear now.

USB, why didn't you spend your last night with G?

Wasted or Carlos, any restaurant recommendations in Centro near the Sheraton? And don't worry guys, I can usually sense impending danger (as long as I am sober), and the situation at Taboo never got out of hand.

And lastly, I may be back in town this week due to work circumstances, and will try to pick up again where I left off...

Cheers,
RtW


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Hey RTW.
I can't send you PM's, you are over PM quota.
You need to erase your PMs...[/QUOTE]

Easy: The Louisiana restaurant, coming out on Hidalgo St from the Sheraton, take a right hand, go past the Radisson Ancira and you'll get to it less than half a block away.
One of the best here....


[QUOTE=Round the World]My PM mailbox is all clear now.

USB, why didn't you spend your last night with G?

Wasted or Carlos, any restaurant recommendations in Centro near the Sheraton? And don't worry guys, I can usually sense impending danger (as long as I am sober), and the situation at Taboo never got out of hand.

And lastly, I may be back in town this week due to work circumstances, and will try to pick up again where I left off...

Cheers,
RtW[/QUOTE]

Hola RTW...mi amigo, to answer your question...

Well, weekend nights are the times that girls have to be at work. They are their most profitable nights, and nights where they really can not afford to miss the opportunity to make money. "G" skipped work on Thursday night to be with me, and she was with me during the day on Friday too. So, I decided I would do something else Friday night while "G" was working. Sometimes, patronizing them at their work is of more value to them than actually bar fining them, and paying them the equivalent of what they might otherwise have earned at their jobs all night. It keeps them on good terms with management, and helps them maintain good standing for times when I you may not be there to support them. So, I try to patronize them also in the privados, in addition to bar fining them.

To further comment on some other observations...

"G" does not charge me anything. But, honestly, I usually pay her anyway. The fee is always entirely up to me, and she accepts the money, but many times she has stayed with me for very little compared to the going rate. She just accepts it, and seems not to mind.

At least, after I pay her an equivalent hourly amount that would be less than a kid would make working at McDonalds, she always shows back up seemingly wanting to see me very much, and money is not on her mind.

For example, she stays with me sometimes for 12-15 hours at a time and I have given her 500 pesos. She has stayed for 6 hours before, and I have given her 1000 pesos. It just depends on how I am feeling at the time, generous or cheap. There are just as many times that I have given her nothing. When I give her nothing, I just tell her I can not afford to pay the cost of travel to be in Monterrey and also pay her. She continually tells me money is not important to her, and that she truly loves me.

I apologize to her that money is tight, and she accepts it like we are boyfriend and girlfriend. I honestly believe she is not there for the money. But, I am also a realist...money makes the world go around, and just because you are austensibly in "love," provided she is being honest with me, doesn't necessarily mean that you can afford to forget about providing for the neccesities of life.

This last time we were together, I explained to her that I can not return to MTY and pay the travel costs and pay her too. I asked her to tell me honestly if the money is an issue, and if so, that I would just stay home and not come to MTY. She has, in the past, cried over our discussion of this subject, and my misunderstanding her sincerity with respect to her claims that she truly does love me.

I told her that I do not have business in MTY any more, and that my reason for being in MTY is to see her. I told her that I can not afford to be there, but that if she wants me there, I will try to come back. I did not really mean it...I doubt I will ever completely stop coming back to MTY for real, but I wanted to let her know that I was coming to see her, and not to conduct business. Fact is, I actually do still have some business interests in MTY, but I was trying to make her realize that my frequent visits to MTY, once a month, are to see her, and that I am not otherwise occupied in MTY by business responsibilities. I wanted her to feel an obligation to entertain me while I am there, and to realize that my returning to see her, especially with travel costs being so high, are an expression of my own affection for her.

She told me to try to come back as much as I can, but that if I can not come back more than once a month or every six weeks, she would just have to wait for me to return. She has previously asked me to move to MTY so we can see each other legitimately. I think she is sincere as a lower class bar girl can be given her circumstances, socio-economic background, etc...And, of course, I would never actually consider a permanent arrangement with a bar girl. But, it is nice knowing that she would like it.

When I pay her nothing she acts like she expects nothing from me, and that all that I give her is appreciated. She accepts the money as a helping hand, and not as payment for any kind of "services rendered."

One thing I try to do when I pay her nothing is to patronize her at work, but I do not usually do it quite to the extent the I chose to do it last Friday night. But, none-the-less, I will usually stay with her in the privados for between 8-10 songs, and if I want sex in the Privados, which I generally avoid because I don't particularly care for it there, it costs me nothing. In "G's" case, I want sex with her because it is her. She is truly my best GFE ever, and I do not take her for granted.

That having been said, on Friday night I took her into the privados and stayed literally for (14) 4-minute songs (700 pesos), then as we were headed down the stairs, I gave her 500 pesos in cash. We talked a lot, had sex in the privados, and did a lot of kissing and hugging, mucho carino con ella. She never once mentioned anything about wanting additional money for the sex, nor did she have any expectation that I would pay her anything, not for the additional sex I received in the privados, nothing...nor did she have a clue about what I was about to do, the amount I was going to give her in addition to patronizing her with the for (14) songs in the privados.

I asked her in the privados how many privados she had to have that night and she told me she needed a total of (20). I assume she needed at least (20) to make salary, so I figured that by giving her (14) of them that early in the night (6-7pm?), she would have a very easy, very profitable night at Infinito, certainly so if she stayed until 1am, her scheduled time. I was feeling sorry for her because she had been very sick with a sinus infection for several days, and she had missed work to be with me as well.

Up to that point, only upon my asking, she said she had not really done too many privados that night. I think the girls are sometimes concerned that they will not make their salary if they aren't able to rack up enough privados. I wanted to completely dispell any concerns she might have about making salary that night, and to give her the opportunity to slack off if she wanted to.

So, the entire time I was with her in the privados cost me 1200 pesos, but she got 500 of it in cash, not having to split it with the house. But, keep in mind, she had already spent all of Friday afternoon with me for no money, and she had no expectation of being paid for that time.

She will also literally earn half of the privado fee, another 350 pesos. So, I consider my payment to her at the club to be very generous, and she thanked me sincerely, both verbally, and with her eyes (Carlos).

Carlos told me there is a way that I can always sense the quality of the potential performance from the girls, if you are considering a new girl for a privado as they stand on the stage. He told me to start checking their eyes. I am not really able to discern that look yet as well as he, but I was able to start practicing making that assessment once he made me aware of it.

I noticed myself beginning to develop a sensitivity for what he was talking about, which is a very subtle, almost undiscernable look in their eyes. He revealed to me that the girls that are good are the ones that have a certain look in the eyes. So now, I am checking their eyes to develop this "skill."

Anyway because I was sensitized by Carlos' comments, I was also sensitive to the look in "G" eyes as I slipped her 500 pesos as we were going down the stairs. With "G," the look in her eyes as I slipped her 500 pesos was not of greed, or sexuality, or surprise, or expectation, or anything like that.

It was a look of pure love from her eyes. I have something legitimate going with "G." I try to pay her, all be it in sometimes inconsistent ways, all be it sometimes in cheaper ways, but othewise in generous ways as well, because I also know that freebies get old, and there is no future for the two of us.

If she had an expectation of permanency with me, then freebies would be perfectly acceptable. But, a girl has to think of her future, and in her case, her son as well. So, I choose to try to at least pay her something even when she will come to me for free.

I realize that her willingness to come to see me might also get old as she begins to think of me as possibly just taking advantage of her. I do not want her to develop that kind of opinion of me, so I have decided to try to pay her something, sometimes generously, and sometimes cheaply, just to keep her interested. I voluntarily pay her to demonstrate that she is special to me, and not just another bar fine...she is special to me.

It's funny...She comes to me for free to show me she loves me, and I pay her, at least something, to show her how special she is to me. It works quite well really, but I also think it might appear to the cynical onlooker that she is anticipating my payments, and showing up in anticipation of being paid. I do not really believe that is her motivation, but I am also not so naive as to imagine that it could not be a possibility. If in fact her "feelings" are insincere however, I can not discern it in the way she treats me.

If I were single, living in MTY, etc...I could possibly play the "freebies" game because I could take her out on the town, and romance her more thoroughly, to show her that she is special to me in other ways. But because I am in town infrequently, and because we both already know there is no future between us with respect to any permanency, I feel that paying her is the smartest way to keep the fire burning between us.

Besides, I question whether actual marriage is so different? I have a friend who complained recently to me that his wife ordered some furniture for their home, unbeknownst to him, the cost of which was coming at a very inopportune time, a time when taxes will be coming due. In addition, as this friend was repaying a debt to me, he noticed that his wife had also snatched the equivalent of $100 from his wallet to pay for, who knows.

Eveything costs money. And, even when there is love, such as within the institution of marriage, the exchange of financial support is "neccessary." I look at it the same way with respect to my girlfriend, "G." "G"s welfare is always on my mind because, while there is always a possibility that, as a bar girl, she may or may not be sincere, I am.

[QUOTE=Round the World]

USB, why didn't you spend your last night with G?

RtW[/QUOTE]

The most depressing song I ever heard: USB, Carlos & RTW, remember our last visit to the Obsession. I finally found it and I wish I never did.

Ya no responde ni al teléfono,
Pende de un hilo la esperanza mía,
Yo no creí jamás poder perder así la cabeza,
Por el.

Porque de pronto ya no me quería.
Porque mi vida se quedo vacía,
Nadie contesta mis preguntas, porque
Nada me queda, sin el.

Se fue,
Se fue, el perfume de sus cabellos,
Se fue, el murmullo de su silencio,
Se fue, su sonrisa de fábula,
Se fue, la dulce miel que probé en sus labios.
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, y la vida con el se me fue,
se fue, y desde entonces ya solo tengo lagrimas.

Encadenada a noches de locura,
Hasta a la cárcel yo iría con el,
Toda una vida no basta, sin el.

En mi verano ya no sale el sol,
Con su tormenta, todo destruyo,
Rompiendo en mil pedazos
esos sueños que construimos, ayer.

Se fue,
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, y la vida con el se me fue,
Se fue, y la razón no la seSi existe dios,
debe acordarse de mi,
Aunque se, que entre el y yo,
El cielo tiene solo nubes negras,
Le rogare, le buscare, lo juro, le encontrare,
Aunque tuviera que buscar en un millón de estrellas.

En esta vida oscura, absurda sin el,
Siento que,
Se ha convertido en centro y fin de todo mi universo.

Si tiene limite, el amor, lo pasaría por el.
Y en el vacío inmenso de mis noches, yo le siento,
¡le amare¡como le pude amar la vez primera,
que un beso suyo era una vida entera,
sintiendo como me pierdo,
por el.

Se fue,
Se fue, el perfume de sus cabellos,
Se fue, el murmullo de su silencio,
Se fue, su sonrisa de fábula,
Se fue, la dulce miel que probé en sus labios.
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, se fue, y la vida con él se me fue,
se fue, y la razón no la se.

[url]http://www.musica.com/video.asp?video=498[/url]

Wasted

LOL
I prefer...
Ding dong the witch is dead
the Witch is dead...
Ding dong the wicked Witch is dead....


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]The most depressing song I ever heard: USB, Carlos & RTW, remember our last visit to the Obsession. I finally found it and I wish I never did.

Ya no responde ni al teléfono,
Pende de un hilo la esperanza mía,
Yo no creí jamás poder perder así la cabeza,
Por el.

Porque de pronto ya no me quería.
Porque mi vida se quedo vacía,
Nadie contesta mis preguntas, porque
Nada me queda, sin el.

Se fue,
Se fue, el perfume de sus cabellos,
Se fue, el murmullo de su silencio,
Se fue, su sonrisa de fábula,
Se fue, la dulce miel que probé en sus labios.
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, y la vida con el se me fue,
se fue, y desde entonces ya solo tengo lagrimas.

Encadenada a noches de locura,
Hasta a la cárcel yo iría con el,
Toda una vida no basta, sin el.

En mi verano ya no sale el sol,
Con su tormenta, todo destruyo,
Rompiendo en mil pedazos
esos sueños que construimos, ayer.

Se fue,
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, y la vida con el se me fue,
Se fue, y la razón no la seSi existe dios,
debe acordarse de mi,
Aunque se, que entre el y yo,
El cielo tiene solo nubes negras,
Le rogare, le buscare, lo juro, le encontrare,
Aunque tuviera que buscar en un millón de estrellas.

En esta vida oscura, absurda sin el,
Siento que,
Se ha convertido en centro y fin de todo mi universo.

Si tiene limite, el amor, lo pasaría por el.
Y en el vacío inmenso de mis noches, yo le siento,
¡le amare¡como le pude amar la vez primera,
que un beso suyo era una vida entera,
sintiendo como me pierdo,
por el.

Se fue,
Se fue, el perfume de sus cabellos,
Se fue, el murmullo de su silencio,
Se fue, su sonrisa de fábula,
Se fue, la dulce miel que probé en sus labios.
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, se fue, y la vida con él se me fue,
se fue, y la razón no la se.

[url]http://www.musica.com/video.asp?video=498[/url]

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I prefer the part be sung...

Se fue, el perfume de sus cab"a"llos...:-) hahahaha!!!


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]LOL
I prefer...
Ding dong the witch is dead
the Witch is dead...
Ding dong the wicked Witch is dead....[/QUOTE]

WastedG, does this song refer particularly to your "O" girl and her absence from the club? Why are you feeling triste y sentimental, because she is not there and the song reminds you...or, are you just a sensitive kind of guy, like me.

I always have a really difficult time the first couple of days back home. I realize during those first few days at home just how much I am missing MTY. Most recently, I truly miss being with my "G" girl like no other. But, I realize too what is making me truly happy these days, and it has little to do with a domesticated lifestyle. I am starting to believe that only an affectionate hooker can deliver me unto true happiness.

Don't worry, give me a few more days and I'll be back to normal.

I know my significant other must be thinking suspiciously because my attitude, when I am back here for the first few days, is anything but appreciative of my "circumstances." I can not imagine what it would be like if we did not get along great together. There is simply no-way, after knowing what is available in the World, that I would tolerate any shit on the home front. I have to watch it. My attitude toward a domesticated lifestyle visibly sucks for at least a few days after I return from MTY. I fear I am giving up my secrets through a crappy attitude and body language without ever saying a word. I am working hard to show my appreciation for what I do have on the home front, and intellectually, I realize that I am so fortunate to have the affection that I have here on the homefront. But, SHIT, it does not compare to a 24 year old pro, and especially one that has feelings for me. Man, Mexicanas have the Gringas beat by a mile in that department, no contest.

I also realize just how fortunate one Mexican friend of mine happens to be for living at ground zero. I realize that whenever he is a little bit triste, he just pops into El Infinito, goes to the buffet at the Obsession or Prestige, ducks into the Harem or Casino for a few hours at night, etc...He has the emotional batteries right there at his disposal, with almost no additional expense or effort being necessary. Carlos, you are a lucky man!

It is sooooooooooooo lonely here back in the States. The "girls" here, if you were ever actually able to find surragates that are even half as attractive and willing, the best of which are absolutely as useless as tits on a Warthog with respect to comparable attitudes and willingness, are of no comparison to a good Mexicana, pro or not.

I am just starting to readjust to my environment here again, losing some of my melancholy feelings over my exhile here in the wasteland. I will be almost back to normal in a few more days.

But, I am already looking at flights, calculating costs, trying to justify the expenditure in my mind.

I have even checked bus lines from my hometown to Laredo. Greyhound only charges $75 one-way to Laredo. But, here is the big kicker...It is literally a (25) hour trip. Then, of course, another 3 hours from Laredo to MTY via Primara Plus. But, basically, for $150 round trip, I can be back in "her" arms again. But, when I consider the time spent on the bus, I immediately reminisce that it would be similiar to the same time commitment, and probably the same agonizing bordom, as my flying to Bangkok or Manila.

Even paying the high airfare cost via shitty American Airlines at $360, which is still very tempting to me given the ultimate "rewards" that are inherent in MTY, and considering the extent of my deeeeeeep "need" ...the entire prospect of going again soon is one I can not deny.

No, I will probably fly into Laredo again, this time for about $100 more than what I paid for the tickets I perbooked with American back in September. It is getting increasingly difficult to justify these expenditures. Prices are really escalating, and I think many a monger are feeling the pinch. Costa Rica, Colombia, SA, up $350 for round trip, Asia up probably $300 for round trip ticklets. Que Lastima...what am I going to frickin' do???






[QUOTE=Wastedgman]The most depressing song I ever heard: USB, Carlos & RTW, remember our last visit to the Obsession. I finally found it and I wish I never did.

Ya no responde ni al teléfono,
Pende de un hilo la esperanza mía,
Yo no creí jamás poder perder así la cabeza,
Por el.

Porque de pronto ya no me quería.
Porque mi vida se quedo vacía,
Nadie contesta mis preguntas, porque
Nada me queda, sin el.

Se fue,
Se fue, el perfume de sus cabellos,
Se fue, el murmullo de su silencio,
Se fue, su sonrisa de fábula,
Se fue, la dulce miel que probé en sus labios.
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, y la vida con el se me fue,
se fue, y desde entonces ya solo tengo lagrimas.

Encadenada a noches de locura,
Hasta a la cárcel yo iría con el,
Toda una vida no basta, sin el.

En mi verano ya no sale el sol,
Con su tormenta, todo destruyo,
Rompiendo en mil pedazos
esos sueños que construimos, ayer.

Se fue,
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, y la vida con el se me fue,
Se fue, y la razón no la seSi existe dios,
debe acordarse de mi,
Aunque se, que entre el y yo,
El cielo tiene solo nubes negras,
Le rogare, le buscare, lo juro, le encontrare,
Aunque tuviera que buscar en un millón de estrellas.

En esta vida oscura, absurda sin el,
Siento que,
Se ha convertido en centro y fin de todo mi universo.

Si tiene limite, el amor, lo pasaría por el.
Y en el vacío inmenso de mis noches, yo le siento,
¡le amare¡como le pude amar la vez primera,
que un beso suyo era una vida entera,
sintiendo como me pierdo,
por el.

Se fue,
Se fue, el perfume de sus cabellos,
Se fue, el murmullo de su silencio,
Se fue, su sonrisa de fábula,
Se fue, la dulce miel que probé en sus labios.
Se fue, me quedo solo su veneno,
Se fue, y mi amor se cubrió de hielo,
Se fue, se fue, y la vida con él se me fue,
se fue, y la razón no la se.

[url]http://www.musica.com/video.asp?video=498[/url]

Wasted[/QUOTE]

No USB. I fulfilled 4 planned fantasies on my last trip. I am home now and loving it. Contrary to how you feel, I am so happy to be home with true family that I appreciate. A wife who is dedicated to me and my children who I wait for the get home from school. Again, opposite to you, I am far from planning my next trip. I don't even want to think about MTY for a while. As far as I'm concerned, no MTY for me for now. It will be a while, if any at all.

As for the song, I heard it many times and always liked it. When I finally found it and translated what she was saying, I felt a huge emptiness because she described what it's like to be left behind by a loved one. Emotion and feelings I have not felt in ages but do know some who are going throw them. This stupid song managed to bring me down so bad that I erased it from my computer. No, it does not remind me of my Lady "J" or anyone. Though I only heard it at the Obsission. But I could relate to how it feels and Laura Pausini simply killed me. I guess I am a sentimental fool like you are, my good friend.

Oh, one last note. All my flights have been free .... sorry :-)

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, does this song refer particularly to your "O" girl and her absence from the club? Why are you feeling triste y sentimental, because she is not there and the song reminds you...or, are you just a sensitive kind of guy, like me.

I always have a really difficult time the first couple of days back home. I realize during those first few days at home just how much I am missing MTY. Most recently, I truly miss being with my "G" girl like no other. But, I realize too what is making me truly happy these days, and it has little to do with a domesticated lifestyle. I am starting to believe that only an affectionate hooker can deliver me unto true happiness.

Don't worry, give me a few more days and I'll be back to normal.

I know my significant other must be thinking suspiciously because my attitude, when I am back here for the first few days, is anything but appreciative of my "circumstances." I can not imagine what it would be like if we did not get along great together. There is simply no-way, after knowing what is available in the World, that I would tolerate any shit on the home front. I have to watch it. My attitude toward a domesticated lifestyle visibly sucks for at least a few days after I return from MTY. I fear I am giving up my secrets through a crappy attitude and body language without ever saying a word. I am working hard to show my appreciation for what I do have on the home front, and intellectually, I realize that I am so fortunate to have the affection that I have here on the homefront. But, SHIT, it does not compare to a 24 year old pro, and especially one that has feelings for me. Man, Mexicanas have the Gringas beat by a mile in that department, no contest.

I also realize just how fortunate one Mexican friend of mine happens to be for living at ground zero. I realize that whenever he is a little bit triste, he just pops into El Infinito, goes to the buffet at the Obsession or Prestige, ducks into the Harem or Casino for a few hours at night, etc...He has the emotional batteries right there at his disposal, with almost no additional expense or effort being necessary. Carlos, you are a lucky man!

It is sooooooooooooo lonely here back in the States. The "girls" here, if you were ever actually able to find surragates that are even half as attractive and willing, the best of which are absolutely as useless as tits on a Warthog with respect to comparable attitudes and willingness, are of no comparison to a good Mexicana, pro or not.

I am just starting to readjust to my environment here again, losing some of my melancholy feelings over my exhile here in the wasteland. I will be almost back to normal in a few more days.

But, I am already looking at flights, calculating costs, trying to justify the expenditure in my mind.

I have even checked bus lines from my hometown to Laredo. Greyhound only charges $75 one-way to Laredo. But, here is the big kicker...It is literally a (25) hour trip. Then, of course, another 3 hours from Laredo to MTY via Primara Plus. But, basically, for $150 round trip, I can be back in "her" arms again. But, when I consider the time spent on the bus, I immediately reminisce that it would be similiar to the same time commitment, and probably the same agonizing bordom, as my flying to Bangkok or Manila.

Even paying the high airfare cost via shitty American Airlines at $360, which is still very tempting to me given the ultimate "rewards" that are inherent in MTY, and considering the extent of my deeeeeeep "need" ...the entire prospect of going again soon is one I can not deny.

No, I will probably fly into Laredo again, this time for about $100 more than what I paid for the tickets I perbooked with American back in September. It is getting increasingly difficult to justify these expenditures. Prices are really escalating, and I think many a monger are feeling the pinch. Costa Rica, Colombia, SA, up $350 for round trip, Asia up probably $300 for round trip ticklets. Que Lastima...what am I going to frickin' do???[/QUOTE]

I think the song appropriately echos what many of the girls feel about us, about the fallout we leave in our wake. We sweep them off their feet, perhaps treating them better than they have ever been treated before, or will ever be treated in the future, and it seems to them that we heartlessly forget about them as we make a hasty retreat back to the USA each month.

With some of the girls that have not yet attained the status of hardened pro, I think we are possibly our own worst enemy, in that we are the proximate cause that changes them into hardened pros. They get to know us, like us or love us, and we seemingly leave them to whatever harsh reality life throws at them, seemingly not caring about them.

If they only knew the depth to which I do care about them, the special ones, they would understand that while they might be left behind, they are never forgotten, and they are always on my mind. In the case of some of them, leaving them behind is more difficult than they could ever possibly imagine.

It is like I am torn between the comforts of home, where exists the true love of my life, versus the passion and excitement that only a young HOT girl in love can provide.

A select few, out of the hundreds of girls I have known Worldwide, have delivered an emotionally legitimate "love" beyond what I routinely experience. There have only been a few memorable ones, literally out of hundreds. With those girls in particular, there is a feeling of emotion that makes leaving them behind extremely difficult.

With respect to "G," I have found a level of emotional caring that places her in that "Special" category, perhaps even above all others that have achieved that distinction out of hundreds.

My frustrations have to do directly with "G." I feel that I have abandoned a girl that showed me a true depth of feeling in our encounters. While the encounters of some are only the mere fulfillment of fantasy, my encounters with "G" have been more. That is the source of my melancholy...I miss her.

But, at the same time, while I am in Monterrey, I miss the true love of my life at home, and the comfort of the home front. Yes, I am truly torn between the reality of what truly IS, and the potential reality of what could be were a serious relationship with a bar girl any kind of reasonably intellegent option.

The bottom line is that some of the special girls that have the same feelings about us, are just as melancholy about what could have been. It shows in the changes to their demeanor and their changed attitudes each subsequent time we see them.

I now sense a sadness in "G's" eyes, a sadness that seems to reflect a regret, perhaps a realization on her part over what will never be. It is a look that I did not sense prior to this last trip, and one that she tries to hide from me. She is a girl that knows she is setting herself up for disaapointment, but a girl who can not stop herself coming back to me for more. I sense that she is trying to maintain the relationship with "no strings," but that she is having a very difficult time with it.

I am already sensing the changes. It is a feeling that I sense from her, a feeling that I would like to reverse in her, but one I know I can never really change. She doesn't understand why when I show her she is special to me that it can only be temporary. She only understands that I can't take it to the level that would comfort her completely. For that, I am truly sorry.

These are the things that motivate my desire to return. I do not like abandoning a friend. I feel that I have abandoned "G" and she does not understand why. I just want to be there for my friend, and to take care of her like she took care of me. I am foolishly sentimental...I know.

Of course, from an entirely intellectual perspective, she may also be simply acting her part. But, I have all but discounted that reality in my mind based on a chain of prior events that suggest otherwise. But, I am always aware that the charms of a pro can sometimes be extremely intoxicating, and that the charms of a true pro are never discernable as insincerity...that's what makes them "professionals."

So, intellectually, I am maintaining all my emotions in check, and containing any emotionally foolish afterthoughts.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]No USB. I fulfilled 4 planned fantasies on my last trip. I am home now and loving it. Contrary to how you feel, I am so happy to be home with true family that I appreciate. A wife who is dedicated to me and my children who I wait for the get home from school. Again, opposite to you, I am far from planning my next trip. I don't even want to think about MTY for a while. As far as I'm concerned, no MTY for me for now. It will be a while, if any at all.

As for the song, I heard it many times and always liked it. When I finally found it and translated what she was saying, I felt a huge emptiness because she described what it's like to be left behind by a loved one. Emotion and feelings I have not felt in ages but do know some who are going throw them. This stupid song managed to bring me down so bad that I erased it from my computer. No, it does not remind me of my Lady "J" or anyone. Though I only heard it at the Obsission. But I could relate to how it feels and Laura Pausini simply killed me. I guess I am a sentimental fool like you are, my good friend.

Oh, one last note. All my flights have been free .... sorry :-)

Wasted[/QUOTE]

I think this is the part where Carlos starts playing the violin.

Music please ........

If you're going to San Francisco, Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you're going to San Francisco, You're gonna meet some gentle people there

USB, you should've lived in the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood. Good stuff. But I missed it. I was only there for 7 years and still missed it. Never ventured.

Yes, what baffles me is how can the girls dance to this song and not break down. How can the DJ play such a sad song? I don't know.

But I did something that I've been wanting to do for a long time. I asked Pamela over. She came. I took her to lunch. She had Chinese food for the first time in her life. Then coffee and then shopping at HEB. We simply bought .. groceries ... for her home and kids. I got her a bag of Biscoff biscuits that she told me her mom loves so much. I sent her home to drop of the groceries and she returned within minutes. I let her shower, do her hair, put on her make up and headed to her work place without even touching her. Oh, I forgot. She got dressed too :-) .. but still .. I did not touch her at all besides holding her hand while crossing the street.

I did not want sex. I wanted to treat her in the way I cared about her. Then when she thanked me .. I could feel the appreciation...

But that has nothing to do with the song. Although she is the one I can not stand to watch on stage. It breaks my heart to see her sell her body for a drink or 2 dollars and 50 cents. What the hell?

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I think the song appropriately echos what many of the girls feel about us, about the fallout we leave in our wake. We sweep them off their feet, perhaps treating them better than they have ever been treated before, or will ever be treated in the future, and it seems to them that we heartlessly forget about them as we make a hasty retreat back to the USA each month.
[/QUOTE]

Our special girls do not realize the extent to which we agonize over their decision to prostitute themselves. While we partake in the opportunity that their availability creates for us, an opportunity to know them intimately, an opportunity that would otherwise be unavailable to us in the real world. We lament about what we may be doing to them in the process, wishing they are not destroying themselves.

Once we get to know them, and we award them a special place in our hearts, and especially if they give us more than they might give others, we develop a love for them that includes our concern for their welfare.

I doubt they realize the extent to which we actually do care for them. If they knew how we agonized for them, they would love us even more. But, they will never comprehend it because they are females, and they have devalued themselves long ago, believing all men are the same, and that all men disrespect them.

"G" once told me that "a friend" of hers claimed that all men are unfaithful. Obviously, she was voicing her own belief, probably a belief that had perhaps been the catalyst in her own decision to prostitute herself.

"G" asked me if the theory that all men are unfaithful is true. I could see in her eyes the hope that my answer would be "no." I told her that it is true, all men are unfaithful sexually. I believe it's true, if not in deed, then certainly in mind and spirit.

It is sad knowing that she longs for a faithful man, and she believes that the prospect of such things is virtually non-existent. The truth is, it is going to be especially illusive for her now, after having made the decisions she has made in life.

What was difficult for me to convey to her is that most men are faithful in their hearts, and that most men value the security of their families beyond all else. It was a very hard thing to convey because it is so abstract in and of itself. How can a man stray sexually, but love with a degree of exclusivity with all his heart? All men know that this is possible, but females can not comprehend it.

I believe this concept of our caring about what they are doing to themselves is what originally got me into trouble with Angry Girl. I voiced my concern directly to her, a concern that she undoubtedly interpreted as criticism. She will never understand the depth of my caring for her at that juncture, and unfortunately, its become obvious that she has moved deeper into the abis over a very short period of time.

I have the same concerns for "G," and she has assured me that she has everything under control. But, I already sense that her psyche is being effected, slowly, like a cancer that grows day by day. I sincerely hope she will leave her profession, never to look back on it again, forgetting she was ever in that place. It is the only thing that might ultimately save her.

They will never comprehend how much we do care about what happens to them.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]It breaks my heart to see her sell her body for a drink or 2 dollars and 50 cents. What the hell? Wasted[/QUOTE]

One of the nights I was in Monterrey last week I visited the new Givenchy, which has been relocated right next to El Infinito, on the North Side. The facilities are much nicer, and bigger, brighter lit, except the concept and comfort level has not really changed at all. I did not have occassion to check out the privados to see how they looked because I was only there a short time. But, I will have to check it out thoroughly next time.

Anyway, last week, apparently in order to attract attention, the management had some of the Infinito girls working in Givenchy. They would split their shifts between Infinito and Givenchy, and you would see them working part of the time between the two places. This went on all last week.

Anyway, on my first visit to Givenchy, as I came in the door, the first girl I saw was Angry Girl, as she was talking to one of the managers. I noticed that when she saw me, she had a look of aggravation on her face, like she is bothered by my mere presence. I think she is embarrassed that I accused her of lying to me, lying about providing full service to guys in the privados, something that she always claimed she did not do. She always tried to make me believe she did nothing in the privados...imagine the absurdity of that, trying to make me believe she does nothing in the privados.

There have been times that I've been in the privados sitting directly across from her, and when she first arrives and notices I am able to see her, she quickly moves her prey off to some other booth where I can not witness her actvities. It's like she made so many bogus claims to me about what she does not do, that she now feels that by my being around, it is difficult for her work, and to maintain the charade she started with me. Why she is still interested in maintaining the charade with me is beyond by comprehension, but she definitely goes to great lengths to avoid my seeing her "work."

I never try to talk to her or molest her in anyway. I have tried being nice to her in the past, in an effort to make up, but she has been a total and complete "*****."

Besides, frankly, I don't see what her game is, nor does her attitude toward me make any sense. But, none-the-less, I took notice of her as I came in the club, but did not acknowledge her in any way, not wanting to be a pest to her. I noticed that she immediately moved away from my field of view, austensibly so she would not have to deal with having to see me in the place.

So, I sit down across the room, totally outside of her field of view. Anyway, one of the waiters came over. Noticing that I am a Gringo, austensibly with numerous hundred dollar bills sticking out of my pockets, and he asked if I wanted a girl. He spoke some English. Anyway, I told him that I like flaca girls, and not to bring me any fat ones.

Well, well, well...whom to you think he latches onto and brings directly to my seat. None other than Angry Girl herself. She is lead right up to me, acts like I am not sitting there, looks around for whomever she was supposed to be summoned for, and finally realizes that she was brought to me by the waiter.

I had a big huge "shit eatin'" grin on my face. She was having a hard time containing her own grin, but remained in character, shaking her finger back and forth indicating that she would not talk or sit with me. I just offered her my hand, to shake hands, big grin on my face, and said "Hola." That's when she started to grin again, but was fighting hard to hold back any display of being remotely amused by me, and just shook her finger back and forth, as if to indicate "no."

I shrugged my shoulders, and threw my hands up in the air, pointing at the waiter, and told her I didn't ask for her, telling her that he just brought her over to me. Then, I offered her my hand again to shake hands, thinking that perhaps the ice was beginning to melt. She just shook her head and said "no," retreating into some alcove somewhere so she could hide from me.

I must comment that the lighting in Givenchy is quite bright, and I noticed how much more makeup Angry Girl is wearing. She looks like crap! She is simply not the girl I first met a couple of years ago. She has thick makeup caked on her face, a lot of bright red lip pencil, eye makeup...it is all just too much. Perhaps she wears it in preparation for work in El Infinito where the lighting is much darker. So, perhaps she uses the makeup to enhance her appearance in that darker lighting environment at El Infinito. That's probably it.

But, I can only say that in the light of day, in the good lighting in Givenchy that night, she looked just like a clown. I am not exaggerating or trying to be vindictively mean in my observations. It makes her look like shit. I wonder if she feels the need to put all that on because the cumulative effects of working in the bar have ruined her skin, or what. I noticed that she did start smoking at some juncture. Smoking will absolutely ruin a girl's skin. She has totally slipped into the abis. If I were to see her for the first time now, at this juncture, I doubt seriously if she would hold any significant place on my dance card. She is downright ugly. What a shame...

The waiter was totally dumbfounded. He couldn't believe it. He shook his head, and acted like she was a frickin nut case. I just told him that she was mad at me. He eventually brought me another flaca girl, one that had a very similiar body style, but who also had some really ugly dental work, gold teeth in front, etc...She reminded me of JAWS in the James Bond flicks. So, after making that association, she wasn't too appealing. I just kept envisioning smooching, and getting a blow job in the privadoss from the likes of JAWS, and that just made me kind of quisy.

I didn't really want a girl to begin with, but the waiter figured he would get tips from me if he brought over an acceptable girl. This second girl, if her teeth had been acceptable, would have possibly sparked my interest. But, when I told her I was only waiting for a friend, she shook her head and said some kind of sarcastic shit to me, something like "oh sure..." She had a shitty attitude, so I figured I didn't need two damn Angry Girls in one frickin' bar, so I sent her away. Fuck her....

I am getting real frickin sick and tired of some of these independent girls. Then, when I compare some of them to my angel, "G," it becomes crystal clear to me why I am remaining relatively faithful to "G." I love "G" and there is simply no girl in Monterrey that can compare to her, not Cynthia at Extasis, not Cindy #1 at Pasarelas, and for me, in comparing her to those two girls, girls that either have outstanding personalities, or are HOT lovers, girls that are outstanding to me in every other way, that is saying a lot about my feelings for "G."

All I can say is...with respect to Angry Girl, with all the drama that girl displays, and all the angst she shows toward me, she must have really loved me a lot, hahahaha :-) When things were good, she was one of the contenders with Cindy #1 and Cynthia, but those days are long gone, and in comparison to "G" I ultimately realize that she was a disappointment.

If you guys REALLY don't soldier up, am really gonna play the violin...
Meanwhile, Round the World came back for a night and took his O girl for a round the world night...
My H girl is also back and I did what I never do: pay an H salida (700 pesos) and took her to my version of going around the world....

Carlos? Salida? What the heck?

WastedG must be affecting you in more ways than just giving the girls bruises, ha? WTG Carlos!

Yeah, tell USB to stop being so mushy and start acting like a man ... :-)

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]If you guys REALLY don't soldier up, am really gonna play the violin...
Meanwhile, Round the World came back for a night and took his O girl for a round the world night...
My H girl is also back and I did what I never do: pay an H salida (700 pesos) and took her to my version of going around the world....[/QUOTE]

I expect I will require only a few more days of being back here in the wasteland before my psyche begins to normalize. Unfortunately, I keep getting text messages from "G" that keep reminding me about what I am missing. Consequently, you all have to read my rubbish until my emotional state stabalizes.

I know...Carlos can trade places with me. I will live in Monterrey, and Carlos will live here in the Midwest. Let see how "tough" he is then, verdad? :-)

Even the WastedG, living in his part of the country, has more options than what is here in the wasteland of the Midwest.

I submit that both these "girly men" could not endure an exile such as mine.

RTW, don't forget a complete and total report on your activities. Were you able to find in your girl from the "O" place, the more meaningful GFE that you told us you've been seeking? I hope so!


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]If you guys REALLY don't soldier up, am really gonna play the violin...
Meanwhile, Round the World came back for a night and took his O girl for a round the world night...
My H girl is also back and I did what I never do: pay an H salida (700 pesos) and took her to my version of going around the world....[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute...I just realized, the salida alone at the "H" place is 700 pesos. What was her compensation in addition to the salida? Just curious. Give us the total damage my friend.

I understand your reluctance at paying the salida at the "H" place, it makes the total bill relatively high in the end, right? It certainly is out of character for Carlos to pay a salida, but WastedG and myself have perhaps been stellar examples of how rewarding it can be and Carlos wants "IN" on the action.

I paid that same salida amount once at the H place and once at the C place. Their salida fees are not as cheap as the other lower end bars, but they're still within the doable range. But, at 700 pesos, it does cause one to think twice first before making the leap.

I must say...for Carlos to pay the 700 peso salida, this girl must be very special. That is very much out of character for Carlos to invest that much. She must be pretty good CP. Please give us a full report. Have I met this girl? Does she know "V" or "N" at the "H" place?

Common' now is your chance to actually write a report, something we have not seen from you in 5 years!

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]My H girl is also back and I did what I never do: pay an H salida (700 pesos) and took her to my version of going around the world....[/QUOTE]

Yes, Wasted is affecting my mind but in a better way...
I think I never told you this, but know you has changed my way of "attaking" girls... in the time I know you my Flock has doubled in size.
I do learn something from all my friends North of the Rio Grande.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Carlos? Salida? What the heck?

WastedG must be affecting you in more ways than just giving the girls bruises, ha? WTG Carlos!

Yeah, tell USB to stop being so mushy and start acting like a man ... :-)

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Yes, I paid regular H fee's: 1000 pesos plus 700 for salida for 2 hours.
Yes she was worth it. It's my girl that went to Cancun uselessly cause she couldn't find work over there.
She will turn 27 on May which is way above the average for a club girl.
The damage was big, cause for example, I went to the "I" place today and the only thing I did was stare at the girls... no hands on situations today nor tomorrow for me.




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Wait a minute...I just realized, the salida alone at the "H" place is 700 pesos. What was her compensation in addition to the salida? Just curious. Give us the total damage my friend.

I understand your reluctance at paying the salida at the "H" place, it makes the total bill relatively high in the end, right? It certainly is out of character for Carlos to pay a salida, but WastedG and myself have perhaps been stellar examples of how rewarding it can be and Carlos wants "IN" on the action.

I paid that same salida amount once at the H place and once at the C place. Their salida fees are not as cheap as the other lower end bars, but they're still within the doable range. But, at 700 pesos, it does cause one to think twice first before making the leap.

I must say...for Carlos to pay the 700 peso salida, this girl must be very special. That is very much out of character for Carlos to invest that much. She must be pretty good CP. Please give us a full report. Have I met this girl? Does she know "V" or "N" at the "H" place?

Common' now is your chance to actually write a report, something we have not seen from you in 5 years![/QUOTE]

No I will NOT trade places with you.
You Little Gentelmen of the North can keep your imperialistic way of life... I want my decadent one.


[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I expect I will require only a few more days of being back here in the wasteland before my psyche begins to normalize. Unfortunately, I keep getting text messages from "G" that keep reminding me about what I am missing. Consequently, you all have to read my rubbish until my emotional state stabalizes.

I know...Carlos can trade places with me. I will live in Monterrey, and Carlos will live here in the Midwest. Let see how "tough" he is then, verdad? :-)

Even the WastedG, living in his part of the country, has more options than what is here in the wasteland of the Midwest.

I submit that both these "girly men" could not endure an exile such as mine.

RTW, don't forget a complete and total report on your activities. Were you able to find in your girl from the "O" place, the more meaningful GFE that you told us you've been seeking? I hope so![/QUOTE]

Ah, Carlos, I forgot to ask how your night at the H place went. Sounds great.

I wish I could have met your girl, but alas one cannot be in two places at once.

I'll post a report later about my Thursday night with the O girl. But suffice to say it was great and not great, all in the same night.

Sorry to tell you I wasn't able to go to the O place for lunch... I'll try again on Monday..... I'll check you girl then.



[QUOTE=Round the World]Ah, Carlos, I forgot to ask how your night at the H place went. Sounds great.

I wish I could have met your girl, but alas one cannot be in two places at once.

I'll post a report later about my Thursday night with the O girl. But suffice to say it was great and not great, all in the same night.[/QUOTE]

What options are you talking about?

Oh yes, my "X" girl wants to come to town. I was discussing the situation with RTW. His mind was working overtime when he suggested I bring her here as a, what was it, an Au Pair? Hot dang RTW. What a great idea. I'll have Carlos start the paperwork. Carlos?

RWT was great to hang out with. It's been a while since I've seen a gringo's surprise to beautiful situations down in MTY. I commented 'What the hell am I doing here?' as we entered Taboo. Once RTW realized where we were, he too agreed. 'What they hell are we doing in a gay-lesbian disco in Mexico with 18 y/o and 19 y/o pretty strippers and a boyfriend?' The whole club was watching us and some hit on RTW. woohooo.

But I must also give credit to my young 18 y/o "X" girl. She too had a great idea. She wanted me to pay to get her 'transported' to me. Even better.

Then I sat for a minute and let my mind wonder. Imagining the situation: "X" in my house! hot dammm, very tempting..... She'll probably do the whole neighborhood as well... I'm sure my neighbors would love me :-)

Then I can take her with me on my trips. She'll wait for me in my hotel room while I go to work. By the time I get back, I'll find thank you letters for all the hotel guests... hey, maybe I'll take her to strip clubs and make some money while I'm at it.

OK. Seriously now. Carlos, What would it take to get "X" over here? She's welling and I'm able……. NAAAAAAT.

Later you horny chickens.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]No I will NOT trade places with you.
You Little Gentelmen of the North can keep your imperialistic way of life... I want my decadent one.[/QUOTE]

WastedG, you undoubtedly have better options, notwithstanding bringing your "X" girl to the US. I imagine that in your part of the country there is significantly better options with respect to P4P, all be they more expensive options than MTY, but certainly much better than what I have available to me here in the heartland (wasteland).

Remember, I live "Down on the Farm." The only options we have here are a sheep or two, a few horses, some cows, etc...and those are descriptions of the quality of girls we have here, not the animals, hahahaha!!! :-)

I just finished booking my airline tickets for 3/25-3/29. I will stay five nights in Monterrey this next time. I also pre-booked tickets for April as well in order to avoid the exhorbidant fares associated with waiting to book the tickets.

By booking well in advance, like about 9-10 weeks ahead, it seems I can save up to almost $100 off the cost of airfare on bookings that I would normally try to book at least three to four weeks in advance.

I am contemplating a vacation from Monterrey in May or June. I might possibly book a frequent flyer mileage credit for a trip to Asia, Colombia, or Costa Rica instead.

It's all up to "G" to keep me coming back for more. Frankly, I hope she will not disappoint me. No need to go looking elsewhere if your relatively content in your own backyard. As they say in Thailand, "Up to Her."

WastedG, you must be getting the itch once again after being home a few days...Being home is bliss, but it doesn't take long to miss Monterrey. With me, it actually works quite the opposite. When I first return home, it is the worst. I am actually starting to normalize now after being home for a week. My melancholy and longing for Monterrey, and its delights, is starting to subside finally. It usually only takes a week or so before my absence from Monterrey is tolerable.

I decided I better book my tickets before I completely forget about what I am missing. My mind has even started to wander, to contemplate the pooying that could be had in other venues. Perhaps "G" is losing her hold on me. But, that having been said, she makes me pretty happy when I'm there.

When are you planning your return?

[/QUOTE=Wastedgman]What options are you talking about? Wasted[/QUOTE]

WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

I would think twice before bringing a Mexican bar girl to within 1000 miles of my home turf, especially your "X" girl. It sounds good on the surface, but consider the potential complications she "could" create for you, assuming of course that she has a passport, which most do not (Thank God!!!).

Angry Girl told me one time before she started acting-up that she was working for a company during the day, in addition to her "regular" night work as a stripper/bar girl. If she can be believed, she works for a company that was planning to bring her into the US in the future to provide contracted labor.

I believe she was possibly going to work on some kind of green card type of employment. She didn't really know when, or the particular details, and perhaps it was all pie in the sky, or bar girl lies, but according to her, it was some kind of inventory control job that relates to her day job now. Her story sounds very believable to me...

If a girl had told me this several years ago, I would have said she was crazy. But, with the immigration issues we have in this country now, and the lack of accountability shown by our politicians toward their obligation to enforce immigration laws. Neglecting their responsibility to legitimate legal immigrants, and because our politicians view a flood of illegal immigrants as a windfall to their voting districts, which is a totally self serving attitude that is contrary to their oaths of office, the likelihood of the girls actually coming eventually into the US legally to work is quite possible. Furthermore, the likeihood of the girls coming into the USA legally to work, and remaining illegally, could be as common a circumstance as the other 12 million illegal immigrants already in the US now.

I for one, do not particularly like the idea of any bar girl seeking me out here in the US, even if she loves me to death. I am quite pleased that the majority of them were at least formerly trapped in Mexico, where they can not do me any direct damage.

But, being of a naturally suspicous mind, all be it simulateously foolish with respect to my LOVE of Mexican bar girls, I have often wondered if some of the bar girls I am closest to might not contemplate "extortion" through some third party illegal immigrants that they may know here in the US. They could leverage me for cash and regalos here within the US via blackmail without too much effort, right?

The porousness of our borders makes us much more vulnerable than I would have originally imagined several years ago, and most of the girls have NO ethical convictions that would keep their designs on my bank account in check.

Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc...

She knows even my middle initial...not because I believe she wants to harm me. I just think she likes being close to me, because we austensibly have something going between us. In my heart of hearts, I give her the benefit of the doubt, possibly at my own peril if I'm wrong. I think she is just wanting to remember who I am, to be close to me like a novio, the Gringo she is loving/screwing/etc...but it could just as easily be a smart operator setting me up.

I should be taking my own advice...Carlos always warned me about letting them know too much, and getting to close to them. He always told me never to trust them. Of course, I trust them too much. Do as he says not as I do, right?

I intellectually agree with his advice, but when the girls start to get close, they also start to wonder who they are screwing, especially if it has some meaning for them. I believe in "G's" case, it is simply a sentimentally innocent female desire to be closer to me, as one of her "chosen" boyfriends. I think she desires our relationship to be something other than she endures on a nightly basis in the privados at El Infinito, and that through knowing something about me, she feels our liasons are legitimized. But, it could just as easily be a total scam.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]What options are you talking about?

Oh yes, my "X" girl wants to come to town. I was discussing the situation with RTW. His mind was working overtime when he suggested I bring her here as a, what was it, an Au Pair? Hot dang RTW. What a great idea. I'll have Carlos start the paperwork. Carlos?

RWT was great to hang out with. It's been a while since I've seen a gringo's surprise to beautiful situations down in MTY. I commented 'What the hell am I doing here?' as we entered Taboo. Once RTW realized where we were, he too agreed. 'What they hell are we doing in a gay-lesbian disco in Mexico with 18 y/o and 19 y/o pretty strippers and a boyfriend?' The whole club was watching us and some hit on RTW. woohooo.

But I must also give credit to my young 18 y/o "X" girl. She too had a great idea. She wanted me to pay to get her 'transported' to me. Even better.

Then I sat for a minute and let my mind wonder. Imagining the situation: "X" in my house! hot dammm, very tempting..... She'll probably do the whole neighborhood as well... I'm sure my neighbors would love me :-)

Then I can take her with me on my trips. She'll wait for me in my hotel room while I go to work. By the time I get back, I'll find thank you letters for all the hotel guests... hey, maybe I'll take her to strip clubs and make some money while I'm at it.

OK. Seriously now. Carlos, What would it take to get "X" over here? She's welling and I'm able……. NAAAAAAT.

Later you horny chickens.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

USB, I've got a ticket booked for Medellin, Colombia for May 7-10. It'll be my second trip and I be more than happy to show you the ropes, mi amigo.

Wasted, I was kidding about the Au Pair route. But it is actually a legit route. In my neighborhood, an au pair just arrived from Mexico. There are five or six licensed agencies in the US that source girls from Mexico, Thailand, Brazil etc. (hmm that is a conspicuous combination of countries isn't it?)

If you ever want to contemplate the possibilities check it out... NAAAT! It cracks me up when X says that, which she does... a lot.

As for my most recent trip, last week, I had a mixed time. The previous trip was too great (meeting the three amigos, hanging with Wasted's girls at Taboo, and meeting my Obsession girl) I should have known this would be a let down.

It wasn't a total loss however. Carlos kindly let my Obsession girl know I was coming back to town for a night and tentatively arranged another unofficial salida. I arrived ahead of schedule so Carlos picked me up and we headed to Obsession. There Carlos sat with his A girl and I with my girl. I tried to get her to stay out late, but she said she couldn't. We chatted some more, and after a while her face lit up and she said, ok she can stay out late. My plan was to take her out for dinner and maybe dancing in Barrio Antiguo per Wasted's suggestion before retreating to my hotel suite for a blissful night. We agreed on a time a place to meet and Carlos and I bid the girls adieu.

Carlos dropped me at Infinito to while away the hours until my rendezvous. I wanted to see the girls I had fun with last week. Many were there, J, X, I, P, S, etc. I didn't really want to mess around with the girls since I already had a date planned. Bu tI did want to chat. So I said hi to X, who surprisingly was nicer to me this week than she was last week. She of course said she missed Wasted (who wouldn't?) and we sat and had a couple beers. I really wanted to see her friend P, whom I think is super hot. But P had the guys lining up and I only got to chat with her briefly. Too bad, I had to run to meet my date.

We met and headed off to Barrio Antiguo and found one of the few restaurants there. Lots of clubs, but few restaurants. This was on the corner from the park separating the Barrio from the Sheraton part of town. It was decent food and had a live band. I was having fun learning about my girl, her family life, her pre-club life etc. This girl is very pretty, fantastic body, and an honest person. She's new to the club business and retains a good girl attitude. After dinner we walked back to the Sheraton and had some nice chocolate fresas that the staff had delivered to my room.

Then I called her over to the desk where my computer sat, and asked her to choose the music. As she leaned over, we kissed, then embraced, then kissed some more and then the clothes started flying. Eventually I cleared the desk and feasted on her nude form atop the desk. After maybe 30 minutes, I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom and laid her down. At this point she saw the clock and looked a little panicked and said that she had to get home to her dad in 10 minutes (12:30am). I was stunned. I had assumed we had plenty of time. I trusted her enough not to bullshit me, but this was over the top. She looked really sorry, but dressed quickly. At the door, she said next time would be gratis. I think I still had a frown on my face and kissed her goodbye.

I sat around for a while feeling the blues. Then reflexively headed out for Matehuala, Givenchy and Infinito to waste the rest of the night away. I was in a dark mood and thought of the Billy Strayhorn song, Lush Life.

Romance is mush
Stifling those who strive
I'll live a lush life
In some small dive

And there I'll be
while I rot with the rest
Of those whose lives are lonely too...

We'll see where things lead next time with girl.

RtW

First of all, those "X" have a American visa?
If she doesn't it's a lost cause... she'll never ever get it.
You should feel in your own skin the way the American Consulate people treat us guys that need the visa.... horrible and degrading.



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]What options are you talking about?

Oh yes, my "X" girl wants to come to town. I was discussing the situation with RTW. His mind was working overtime when he suggested I bring her here as a, what was it, an Au Pair? Hot dang RTW. What a great idea. I'll have Carlos start the paperwork. Carlos?

RWT was great to hang out with. It's been a while since I've seen a gringo's surprise to beautiful situations down in MTY. I commented 'What the hell am I doing here?' as we entered Taboo. Once RTW realized where we were, he too agreed. 'What they hell are we doing in a gay-lesbian disco in Mexico with 18 y/o and 19 y/o pretty strippers and a boyfriend?' The whole club was watching us and some hit on RTW. woohooo.

But I must also give credit to my young 18 y/o "X" girl. She too had a great idea. She wanted me to pay to get her 'transported' to me. Even better.

Then I sat for a minute and let my mind wonder. Imagining the situation: "X" in my house! hot dammm, very tempting..... She'll probably do the whole neighborhood as well... I'm sure my neighbors would love me :-)

Then I can take her with me on my trips. She'll wait for me in my hotel room while I go to work. By the time I get back, I'll find thank you letters for all the hotel guests... hey, maybe I'll take her to strip clubs and make some money while I'm at it.

OK. Seriously now. Carlos, What would it take to get "X" over here? She's welling and I'm able……. NAAAAAAT.

Later you horny chickens.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

The I live "Down on the Farm" sounds a lot like the Chris Farley character line "live down by the river in a trailer van..."




[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, you undoubtedly have better options, notwithstanding bringing your "X" girl to the US. I imagine that in your part of the country there is significantly better options with respect to P4P, all be they more expensive options than MTY, but certainly much better than what I have available to me here in the heartland (wasteland).

Remember, I live "Down on the Farm." The only options we have here are a sheep or two, a few horses, some cows, etc...and those are descriptions of the quality of girls we have here, not the animals, hahahaha!!! :-)

I just finished booking my airline tickets for 3/25-3/29. I will stay five nights in Monterrey this next time. I also pre-booked tickets for April as well in order to avoid the exhorbidant fares associated with waiting to book the tickets.

By booking well in advance, like about 9-10 weeks ahead, it seems I can save up to almost $100 off the cost of airfare on bookings that I would normally try to book at least three to four weeks in advance.

I am contemplating a vacation from Monterrey in May or June. I might possibly book a frequent flyer mileage credit for a trip to Asia, Colombia, or Costa Rica instead.

It's all up to "G" to keep me coming back for more. Frankly, I hope she will not disappoint me. No need to go looking elsewhere if your relatively content in your own backyard. As they say in Thailand, "Up to Her."

WastedG, you must be getting the itch once again after being home a few days...Being home is bliss, but it doesn't take long to miss Monterrey. With me, it actually works quite the opposite. When I first return home, it is the worst. I am actually starting to normalize now after being home for a week. My melancholy and longing for Monterrey, and its delights, is starting to subside finally. It usually only takes a week or so before my absence from Monterrey is tolerable.

I decided I better book my tickets before I completely forget about what I am missing. My mind has even started to wander, to contemplate the pooying that could be had in other venues. Perhaps "G" is losing her hold on me. But, that having been said, she makes me pretty happy when I'm there.

When are you planning your return?

[/QUOTE=Wastedgman]What options are you talking about? Wasted[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Visa Redux...
For the girls to get an American Visa to go just as visitors and I mean tourists, to the USA is quite impossible.
You do not have an idea how hard it is to get that thing here.
You must prove that you are working steadily at a job, that your income is good enough so that you'll not use the visa just to get inside the USA and that there is family and stuff that will make you come back to Mexico.
Second step is getting past Homeland Security in the border towns.
Back in 2004 I went via land to San Antonio, Texas.
God, you don't have an idea the way I was humiliated and treated at the border.
1. I was asked to produce an accountant letter proving my income
2. I was asked to produce my bank statements
3. I was told "how could you come down here and think that you could enter the USA without those papers".
4. I deduced the inspector he was testing me. You know "break me up" So I just soldiered up and kept say "yes sir... yes sir... how much I earn, I earn in a day what you get in a month".
5. Just horrible. I told my wife I would never go via land to any part of the USA (beyond the 20 mile limit that forces me to get a permit).






[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

I would think twice before bringing a Mexican bar girl to within 1000 miles of my home turf, especially your "X" girl. It sounds good on the surface, but consider the potential complications she "could" create for you, assuming of course that she has a passport, which most do not (Thank God!!!).

Angry Girl told me one time before she started acting-up that she was working for a company during the day, in addition to her "regular" night work as a stripper/bar girl. If she can be believed, she works for a company that was planning to bring her into the US in the future to provide contracted labor.

I believe she was possibly going to work on some kind of green card type of employment. She didn't really know when, or the particular details, and perhaps it was all pie in the sky, or bar girl lies, but according to her, it was some kind of inventory control job that relates to her day job now. Her story sounds very believable to me...

If a girl had told me this several years ago, I would have said she was crazy. But, with the immigration issues we have in this country now, and the lack of accountability shown by our politicians toward their obligation to enforce immigration laws. Neglecting their responsibility to legitimate legal immigrants, and because our politicians view a flood of illegal immigrants as a windfall to their voting districts, which is a totally self serving attitude that is contrary to their oaths of office, the likelihood of the girls actually coming eventually into the US legally to work is quite possible. Furthermore, the likeihood of the girls coming into the USA legally to work, and remaining illegally, could be as common a circumstance as the other 12 million illegal immigrants already in the US now.

I for one, do not particularly like the idea of any bar girl seeking me out here in the US, even if she loves me to death. I am quite pleased that the majority of them were at least formerly trapped in Mexico, where they can not do me any direct damage.

But, being of a naturally suspicous mind, all be it simulateously foolish with respect to my LOVE of Mexican bar girls, I have often wondered if some of the bar girls I am closest to might not contemplate "extortion" through some third party illegal immigrants that they may know here in the US. They could leverage me for cash and regalos here within the US via blackmail without too much effort, right?

The porousness of our borders makes us much more vulnerable than I would have originally imagined several years ago, and most of the girls have NO ethical convictions that would keep their designs on my bank account in check.

Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc...

She knows even my middle initial...not because I believe she wants to harm me. I just think she likes being close to me, because we austensibly have something going between us. In my heart of hearts, I give her the benefit of the doubt, possibly at my own peril if I'm wrong. I think she is just wanting to remember who I am, to be close to me like a novio, the Gringo she is loving/screwing/etc...but it could just as easily be a smart operator setting me up.

I should be taking my own advice...Carlos always warned me about letting them know too much, and getting to close to them. He always told me never to trust them. Of course, I trust them too much. Do as he says not as I do, right?

I intellectually agree with his advice, but when the girls start to get close, they also start to wonder who they are screwing, especially if it has some meaning for them. I believe in "G's" case, it is simply a sentimentally innocent female desire to be closer to me, as one of her "chosen" boyfriends. I think she desires our relationship to be something other than she endures on a nightly basis in the privados at El Infinito, and that through knowing something about me, she feels our liasons are legitimized. But, it could just as easily be a total scam.[/QUOTE]

What the hell is this????
Iam really dissapointed to read this:
"Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc..."
My friend, I know you trust G but you know quite well that in this day and age every bit of information can not be left to random possibilites just like that.
You have an idea of how many times the bar girls lose their phones???
You have an idea how they exchange information between themselves?
Just yesterday I got to the Infinito... one of the girls I say hello too, told me the following: "wow, "B" told me you are hot, f***g hot... and look at you, who would ever think that you had so many girlfriends, blah blah etc etc..."
I went on the spot and told my "B" girl why in hell did she tell all that to that run-of-the-mill girl... she just answered "just idle chat on the lineup".
IDLE CHAT!!!
My friend USB, I thought we already had I nice chat about that... you pretty well know how information flies within the walls of the Infi....



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

I would think twice before bringing a Mexican bar girl to within 1000 miles of my home turf, especially your "X" girl. It sounds good on the surface, but consider the potential complications she "could" create for you, assuming of course that she has a passport, which most do not (Thank God!!!).

Angry Girl told me one time before she started acting-up that she was working for a company during the day, in addition to her "regular" night work as a stripper/bar girl. If she can be believed, she works for a company that was planning to bring her into the US in the future to provide contracted labor.

I believe she was possibly going to work on some kind of green card type of employment. She didn't really know when, or the particular details, and perhaps it was all pie in the sky, or bar girl lies, but according to her, it was some kind of inventory control job that relates to her day job now. Her story sounds very believable to me...

If a girl had told me this several years ago, I would have said she was crazy. But, with the immigration issues we have in this country now, and the lack of accountability shown by our politicians toward their obligation to enforce immigration laws. Neglecting their responsibility to legitimate legal immigrants, and because our politicians view a flood of illegal immigrants as a windfall to their voting districts, which is a totally self serving attitude that is contrary to their oaths of office, the likelihood of the girls actually coming eventually into the US legally to work is quite possible. Furthermore, the likeihood of the girls coming into the USA legally to work, and remaining illegally, could be as common a circumstance as the other 12 million illegal immigrants already in the US now.

I for one, do not particularly like the idea of any bar girl seeking me out here in the US, even if she loves me to death. I am quite pleased that the majority of them were at least formerly trapped in Mexico, where they can not do me any direct damage.

But, being of a naturally suspicous mind, all be it simulateously foolish with respect to my LOVE of Mexican bar girls, I have often wondered if some of the bar girls I am closest to might not contemplate "extortion" through some third party illegal immigrants that they may know here in the US. They could leverage me for cash and regalos here within the US via blackmail without too much effort, right?

The porousness of our borders makes us much more vulnerable than I would have originally imagined several years ago, and most of the girls have NO ethical convictions that would keep their designs on my bank account in check.

Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc...

She knows even my middle initial...not because I believe she wants to harm me. I just think she likes being close to me, because we austensibly have something going between us. In my heart of hearts, I give her the benefit of the doubt, possibly at my own peril if I'm wrong. I think she is just wanting to remember who I am, to be close to me like a novio, the Gringo she is loving/screwing/etc...but it could just as easily be a smart operator setting me up.

I should be taking my own advice...Carlos always warned me about letting them know too much, and getting to close to them. He always told me never to trust them. Of course, I trust them too much. Do as he says not as I do, right?

I intellectually agree with his advice, but when the girls start to get close, they also start to wonder who they are screwing, especially if it has some meaning for them. I believe in "G's" case, it is simply a sentimentally innocent female desire to be closer to me, as one of her "chosen" boyfriends. I think she desires our relationship to be something other than she endures on a nightly basis in the privados at El Infinito, and that through knowing something about me, she feels our liasons are legitimized. But, it could just as easily be a total scam.[/QUOTE]

Mmmm,
"At the door, she said next time would be gratis."
I never take a gratis cause if they know that you are screwing girls from other clubs... well, that's adieu to you.
Gratis to them is you getting under their control, not the other way around.
Look at my now exgirlfriend D from the night shift at the I place.
Even if I paid her she was always angry cuase she knew I had more than one girl. Imagine if I didn't pay... I would be dead or at least nutered.



[QUOTE=Round the World]USB, I've got a ticket booked for Medellin, Colombia for May 7-10. It'll be my second trip and I be more than happy to show you the ropes, mi amigo.

Wasted, I was kidding about the Au Pair route. But it is actually a legit route. In my neighborhood, an au pair just arrived from Mexico. There are five or six licensed agencies in the US that source girls from Mexico, Thailand, Brazil etc. (hmm that is a conspicuous combination of countries isn't it?)

If you ever want to contemplate the possibilities check it out... NAAAT! It cracks me up when X says that, which she does... a lot.

As for my most recent trip, last week, I had a mixed time. The previous trip was too great (meeting the three amigos, hanging with Wasted's girls at Taboo, and meeting my Obsession girl) I should have known this would be a let down.

It wasn't a total loss however. Carlos kindly let my Obsession girl know I was coming back to town for a night and tentatively arranged another unofficial salida. I arrived ahead of schedule so Carlos picked me up and we headed to Obsession. There Carlos sat with his A girl and I with my girl. I tried to get her to stay out late, but she said she couldn't. We chatted some more, and after a while her face lit up and she said, ok she can stay out late. My plan was to take her out for dinner and maybe dancing in Barrio Antiguo per Wasted's suggestion before retreating to my hotel suite for a blissful night. We agreed on a time a place to meet and Carlos and I bid the girls adieu.

Carlos dropped me at Infinito to while away the hours until my rendezvous. I wanted to see the girls I had fun with last week. Many were there, J, X, I, P, S, etc. I didn't really want to mess around with the girls since I already had a date planned. Bu tI did want to chat. So I said hi to X, who surprisingly was nicer to me this week than she was last week. She of course said she missed Wasted (who wouldn't?) and we sat and had a couple beers. I really wanted to see her friend P, whom I think is super hot. But P had the guys lining up and I only got to chat with her briefly. Too bad, I had to run to meet my date.

We met and headed off to Barrio Antiguo and found one of the few restaurants there. Lots of clubs, but few restaurants. This was on the corner from the park separating the Barrio from the Sheraton part of town. It was decent food and had a live band. I was having fun learning about my girl, her family life, her pre-club life etc. This girl is very pretty, fantastic body, and an honest person. She's new to the club business and retains a good girl attitude. After dinner we walked back to the Sheraton and had some nice chocolate fresas that the staff had delivered to my room.

Then I called her over to the desk where my computer sat, and asked her to choose the music. As she leaned over, we kissed, then embraced, then kissed some more and then the clothes started flying. Eventually I cleared the desk and feasted on her nude form atop the desk. After maybe 30 minutes, I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom and laid her down. At this point she saw the clock and looked a little panicked and said that she had to get home to her dad in 10 minutes (12:30am). I was stunned. I had assumed we had plenty of time. I trusted her enough not to bullshit me, but this was over the top. She looked really sorry, but dressed quickly. At the door, she said next time would be gratis. I think I still had a frown on my face and kissed her goodbye.

I sat around for a while feeling the blues. Then reflexively headed out for Matehuala, Givenchy and Infinito to waste the rest of the night away. I was in a dark mood and thought of the Billy Strayhorn song, Lush Life.

Romance is mush
Stifling those who strive
I'll live a lush life
In some small dive

And there I'll be
while I rot with the rest
Of those whose lives are lonely too...

We'll see where things lead next time with girl.

RtW[/QUOTE]

RTW,

I would love to visit Medellin with you. But, one question...this is what keeps me close to home more than I would like. I have Cingular cell phone service what works in Mexico, quite well actually. I can return calls, make calls to the USA, etc...Do you know what the situation is in Medellin with regard to Cingular cell phone service? If my phone works well there, then I would seriously consider going with you. I will probably use some frequent flyer miles on Continental, which means I would fly into Houston from my home town, and then on to Medellin. I think Continental has regular service to Medellin, and that, logistically, it's the best schedule for visiting Colombia. I have been to Cartegena before, but I flew through San Jose, Costa Rica, then on to CTG through Panama. That works pretty well, but last time I went to Colombia, I was stopping off in San Jose for a day before I continued on to CTG because it broke-up the amount of time in the air. Plus, back a couple of years ago when I was visiting Costa Rica and CTG, I also had a HOT stripper girl in San Jose that I liked to visit. Anyway, if we go to Medellin, the direct flights from Houston make the detour to San Jose unnecessary. I don't know about Cali. I think there may be more direct flights available to Cali these days too through Continental. I hear that Cali has a pretty good outcall and "terma" scene, similar to Rio, but slightly different. So, Cali might be interesting as well.

I know this is the Mexico forum, but give me your impressions of Medellin to peak my interest further.

[QUOTE=Round the World]USB, I've got a ticket booked for Medellin, Colombia for May 7-10. It'll be my second trip and I be more than happy to show you the ropes, mi amigo.

Wasted, I was kidding about the Au Pair route. But it is actually a legit route. In my neighborhood, an au pair just arrived from Mexico. There are five or six licensed agencies in the US that source girls from Mexico, Thailand, Brazil etc. (hmm that is a conspicuous combination of countries isn't it?)

If you ever want to contemplate the possibilities check it out... NAAAT! It cracks me up when X says that, which she does... a lot.

As for my most recent trip, last week, I had a mixed time. The previous trip was too great (meeting the three amigos, hanging with Wasted's girls at Taboo, and meeting my Obsession girl) I should have known this would be a let down.

It wasn't a total loss however. Carlos kindly let my Obsession girl know I was coming back to town for a night and tentatively arranged another unofficial salida. I arrived ahead of schedule so Carlos picked me up and we headed to Obsession. There Carlos sat with his A girl and I with my girl. I tried to get her to stay out late, but she said she couldn't. We chatted some more, and after a while her face lit up and she said, ok she can stay out late. My plan was to take her out for dinner and maybe dancing in Barrio Antiguo per Wasted's suggestion before retreating to my hotel suite for a blissful night. We agreed on a time a place to meet and Carlos and I bid the girls adieu.

Carlos dropped me at Infinito to while away the hours until my rendezvous. I wanted to see the girls I had fun with last week. Many were there, J, X, I, P, S, etc. I didn't really want to mess around with the girls since I already had a date planned. Bu tI did want to chat. So I said hi to X, who surprisingly was nicer to me this week than she was last week. She of course said she missed Wasted (who wouldn't?) and we sat and had a couple beers. I really wanted to see her friend P, whom I think is super hot. But P had the guys lining up and I only got to chat with her briefly. Too bad, I had to run to meet my date.

We met and headed off to Barrio Antiguo and found one of the few restaurants there. Lots of clubs, but few restaurants. This was on the corner from the park separating the Barrio from the Sheraton part of town. It was decent food and had a live band. I was having fun learning about my girl, her family life, her pre-club life etc. This girl is very pretty, fantastic body, and an honest person. She's new to the club business and retains a good girl attitude. After dinner we walked back to the Sheraton and had some nice chocolate fresas that the staff had delivered to my room.

Then I called her over to the desk where my computer sat, and asked her to choose the music. As she leaned over, we kissed, then embraced, then kissed some more and then the clothes started flying. Eventually I cleared the desk and feasted on her nude form atop the desk. After maybe 30 minutes, I picked her up and carried her to the bedroom and laid her down. At this point she saw the clock and looked a little panicked and said that she had to get home to her dad in 10 minutes (12:30am). I was stunned. I had assumed we had plenty of time. I trusted her enough not to bullshit me, but this was over the top. She looked really sorry, but dressed quickly. At the door, she said next time would be gratis. I think I still had a frown on my face and kissed her goodbye.

I sat around for a while feeling the blues. Then reflexively headed out for Matehuala, Givenchy and Infinito to waste the rest of the night away. I was in a dark mood and thought of the Billy Strayhorn song, Lush Life.

Romance is mush
Stifling those who strive
I'll live a lush life
In some small dive

And there I'll be
while I rot with the rest
Of those whose lives are lonely too...

We'll see where things lead next time with girl.

RtW[/QUOTE]

I know it's foolish for them to know too much, but when they snap your picture because they want to gaze upon your handsome face and chiseled muscular (clothed) physique (hardy har har), and you're standing across the room, unaware of their intentions, there isn't much you can do. I couldn't very well back hand her across the face and snatch the phone out of her hand, verdad! :-)

And, when your luggage has your name plasted all over it, and she just looks at it out of curiosity, what can you do? Plus, she is sure that I know her full name, taking great pains that I remember her full name, hinting that we have some kind of lasting bond...and, foolishly, I guess we do...at least for now.

Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." She has hidden things from me, things that I have discoverd were...well, not lies, but deceptions. They were deceptions designed to keep me from being jealous of her, and to maintain my lofty opinion of her. Deceptions that she eventually had to explain fully. I believe her, but with tempered judgemnt. I never totally accept the explanations of a bar girl as being 100% truthful.

I think she really does value our "relationship," at least at this juncture. But, the lesson I've learned from Angry Girl is just how quickly things can turn ugly...then what??? right?

I hope my "relationship" with "G" will last a while, but I have this feeling she will possibly become disenchanted with putting legitimate effort into a deadend relationship, even if we both have deep affection for each other.

In an effort to keep from hurting her, and because she is my close friend, I have already set her straight as to the potential for any future anything with me.

I already sense that she is weighing the wisdom of time invested with no potential legitimate payback. She has already told me that she believes that she herself is crazy, but that she can't help it. It's kind of nice being the object of such legitimate affection, but I do not expect this to last much longer.

On the other hand, were I in a position to legitimize what we have, I would be extremely reluctant to do so, for no other reason than her work history at El Infinito, and her willingness to get what she needs in life by selling her body. But, were she a legitimate "good girl," with no bar girl background, she would be one hell of a great girlfriend. I have never received quite the level of affection from any other bar girl, not Worldwide. So, when it ends, I will feel the loss.

Que Lastima...but, on the other hand, if it ends, I am free once again, right? I have everything to gain, and nothing to lose, unless of course she is setting me up, which I doubt. I just hope when it's all over and done with, we will be good friends, and that things will not go as they did with Angry Girl.

But, honestly, I don't want it to end...I like it too much!

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]What the hell is this????
Iam really dissapointed to read this:
"Take "G" for example. She knows my full name, and has my photo on her cell phone, knows the City and State where I live, etc...She knows these things not because I gave them to her. She just saw my name on my luggage tags, took my photo with her cell phone, and has certain information about me through innocent conversation, etc..."
My friend, I know you trust G but you know quite well that in this day and age every bit of information can not be left to random possibilites just like that.
You have an idea of how many times the bar girls lose their phones???
You have an idea how they exchange information between themselves?
Just yesterday I got to the Infinito... one of the girls I say hello too, told me the following: "wow, "B" told me you are hot, f***g hot... and look at you, who would ever think that you had so many girlfriends, blah blah etc etc..."
I went on the spot and told my "B" girl why in hell did she tell all that to that run-of-the-mill girl... she just answered "just idle chat on the lineup".
IDLE CHAT!!!
My friend USB, I thought we already had I nice chat about that... you pretty well know how information flies within the walls of the Infi....[/QUOTE]

But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.

No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.

To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.

OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.

The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.

USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.

And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]WastedG, perhaps you are joking about bringing your "X" girl here...If so, please disreagard my comments...but,

[/QUOTE]

No, WastedG, I figured that you were merely joking about your "X" girl. But, the potential that these girls could start to infiltrate into the States has very real potential as the job market and immigration policy continues to change between the US and Mexico. The politics of immigration in both countries is in a State of flux.

With regard to your title "We are absolute beginners...," I do not agree. Personally, I think we are growing tired of the environment because we are absolute veterans, old soldiers that are growing tired.

Regardling things growing a bit too familiar, and the same old girls becoming "old" for us. I was experiencing the same kind of thing before "G" came along. Until she came along a couple of months ago, I had started to grow a little bored with the girls in Monterrey. I used to look forward to returning because I had one or two particular girls in mind that I really wanted to see again. But, now, if it were not for "G," I would have none. Of course, I always looked forward to visiting with Carlos and my visting amigos in Monterrey. But, let's face it, we are there for the girls.

If the girl are having trouble holding our attention, they are all in for some austere times I fear. Remember, we are taking them on salida, contributing to their bank accounts with easy money, money they enjoy earning because they like being with us. If we leave the market for several months at a time, then they are back to giving their emotionless, cold, clinical table dances and full service in the privados. Remember, their regular clients, even the ones that take them on salida, do not treat them like we do. If we grow tired of them, they are the losers. We can go to any venue, and have any woman we want.

I have visited Monterrey almost every month now for the past five years, usually a week at a time. Of course, I always enjoy Carlos' company, and I thoroughly enjoy meeting new friends, and old ones, from the board.

But, the girls, at least until very recently, were starting to get kind of routine and stale for me. I had even told Carlos that I was going to cut back my visits to maybe once every two or three months, mostly a result of budgetary constraints, but also because I was growing a little tired of the environment.

There has been very little change in Monterrey lately. There aren't many new girls in the clubs. You will find a few now and then, but not too many. I also find the attitude of the girls in the clubs to have gradually changed slightly over the past five years. Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him.

That's one reason I am entertaining the idea of going to another venue for a change. It's much more difficult for me to arrange the travel to Asia because of time constraints, and even travel to Central America has it's complications. But, I think a change of pace might be interesting, provided I can logistically arrange it on the home front with some degree of believability as an excuse to travel.

No...I am returning to Monterrey to see "G." She is a good GFE, and she delivers what I like. I figured it will not last forever, so I am returning to capitalize on it while it lasts. Once it's over, or once she tires of me, or visa versa, then I will probably cut back my travel to Monterrey. But for now, I have March and April booked. The month of May might find me in Colombia with RTW, provided I can swing it on the home front.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.

No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.

To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.

OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.

The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.

USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.

And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Well, I do live by a creek...but, no trailer, but there are a number of trailer dwellers living in the County :-) does that count?

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]The I live "Down on the Farm" sounds a lot like the Chris Farley character line "live down by the river in a trailer van..."




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Also, one other point...no other visitors to Monterrey have quite the familiarity with these girls that we have. We know them by name, actual given name, we know them by personality, we know what they like and don't like, sexually, emotionally, we get asked to hang-out with them, to their casas, we get to go with them to blow off steam...and on and on.

Carlos will tell you, most of the random visitors to Monterrey that are Gringos blow into town, in and out, screwing the girls in the clubs and not on salida. We are truly a breed apart, IMHO. Between us three, there are probably no better experts on the subject of MTY than we three. If I am an expert on the subject of MTY and salidas, it is strictly a result of frequent experience. The point is, we have saturated the venue to the inth degree. It is undoubtedly one reason we are growing bored with it.

But, in order to boast of such familiarity, one must visit MTY regularly. Nobody comes close to Carlos because he lives there, but we two, you and I WastedG, are next in line due to the frequency at which we practice our craft in MTY. But, it takes that frequency to have the kind of intimate knowledge that we have about the girls individually. That is also why we are probably the Gringos with absolute best session stats around. But also...with familiarity comes "routine boredom."

For that reason, the idea that I am frequenting MTY too often crossed my mind several months ago. I think that the remedy probably is to slow down a little as you suggested. But first, I have to wear out the "G" spot.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]No, WastedG, I figured that you were merely joking about your "X" girl. But, the potential that these girls could start to infiltrate into the States has very real potential as the job market and immigration policy continues to change between the US and Mexico. The politics of immigration in both countries is in a State of flux.

With regard to your title "We are absolute beginners...," I do not agree. Personally, I think we are growing tired of the environment because we are absolute veterans, old soldiers that are growing tired.

Regardling things growing a bit too familiar, and the same old girls becoming "old" for us. I was experiencing the same kind of thing before "G" came along. Until she came along a couple of months ago, I had started to grow a little bored with the girls in Monterrey. I used to look forward to returning because I had one or two particular girls in mind that I really wanted to see again. But, now, if it were not for "G," I would have none. Of course, I always looked forward to visiting with Carlos and my visting amigos in Monterrey. But, let's face it, we are there for the girls.

If the girl are having trouble holding our attention, they are all in for some austere times I fear. Remember, we are taking them on salida, contributing to their bank accounts with easy money, money they enjoy earning because they like being with us. If we leave the market for several months at a time, then they are back to giving their emotionless, cold, clinical table dances and full service in the privados. Remember, their regular clients, even the ones that take them on salida, do not treat them like we do. If we grow tired of them, they are the losers. We can go to any venue, and have any woman we want.

I have visited Monterrey almost every month now for the past five years, usually a week at a time. Of course, I always enjoy Carlos' company, and I thoroughly enjoy meeting new friends, and old ones, from the board.

But, the girls, at least until very recently, were starting to get kind of routine and stale for me. I had even told Carlos that I was going to cut back my visits to maybe once every two or three months, mostly a result of budgetary constraints, but also because I was growing a little tired of the environment.

There has been very little change in Monterrey lately. There aren't many new girls in the clubs. You will find a few now and then, but not too many. I also find the attitude of the girls in the clubs to have gradually changed slightly over the past five years. Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him.

That's one reason I am entertaining the idea of going to another venue for a change. It's much more difficult for me to arrange the travel to Asia because of time constraints, and even travel to Central America has it's complications. But, I think a change of pace might be interesting, provided I can logistically arrange it on the home front with some degree of believability as an excuse to travel.

No...I am returning to Monterrey to see "G." She is a good GFE, and she delivers what I like. I figured it will not last forever, so I am returning to capitalize on it while it lasts. Once it's over, or once she tires of me, or visa versa, then I will probably cut back my travel to Monterrey. But for now, I have March and April booked. The month of May might find me in Colombia with RTW, provided I can swing it on the home front.[/QUOTE]

USB says: "Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." "

Mmmm... trust.
You don't have an idea what is for a working girl calling you home. It happened to me once some 23-25 years ago.
Not just one, several.
I was a bachelor yet, but I had something worse at home, a mother that nearly cut off my balls when she learned what the girls were and what realationship I had with them.
How were they able to reach me? Remember this is a time there were no cell phones so I foolishly gave my number to a couple of them.
This is going to sound not so good, but the word "trust" is not part of the vocabulary I use with the club girls.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I know it's foolish for them to know too much, but when they snap your picture because they want to gaze upon your handsome face and chiseled muscular (clothed) physique (hardy har har), and you're standing across the room, unaware of their intentions, there isn't much you can do. I couldn't very well back hand her across the face and snatch the phone out of her hand, verdad! :-)

And, when your luggage has your name plasted all over it, and she just looks at it out of curiosity, what can you do? Plus, she is sure that I know her full name, taking great pains that I remember her full name, hinting that we have some kind of lasting bond...and, foolishly, I guess we do...at least for now.

Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." She has hidden things from me, things that I have discoverd were...well, not lies, but deceptions. They were deceptions designed to keep me from being jealous of her, and to maintain my lofty opinion of her. Deceptions that she eventually had to explain fully. I believe her, but with tempered judgemnt. I never totally accept the explanations of a bar girl as being 100% truthful.

I think she really does value our "relationship," at least at this juncture. But, the lesson I've learned from Angry Girl is just how quickly things can turn ugly...then what??? right?

I hope my "relationship" with "G" will last a while, but I have this feeling she will possibly become disenchanted with putting legitimate effort into a deadend relationship, even if we both have deep affection for each other.

In an effort to keep from hurting her, and because she is my close friend, I have already set her straight as to the potential for any future anything with me.

I already sense that she is weighing the wisdom of time invested with no potential legitimate payback. She has already told me that she believes that she herself is crazy, but that she can't help it. It's kind of nice being the object of such legitimate affection, but I do not expect this to last much longer.

On the other hand, were I in a position to legitimize what we have, I would be extremely reluctant to do so, for no other reason than her work history at El Infinito, and her willingness to get what she needs in life by selling her body. But, were she a legitimate "good girl," with no bar girl background, she would be one hell of a great girlfriend. I have never received quite the level of affection from any other bar girl, not Worldwide. So, when it ends, I will feel the loss.

Que Lastima...but, on the other hand, if it ends, I am free once again, right? I have everything to gain, and nothing to lose, unless of course she is setting me up, which I doubt. I just hope when it's all over and done with, we will be good friends, and that things will not go as they did with Angry Girl.

But, honestly, I don't want it to end...I like it too much![/QUOTE]

Well said Wasted... the company of great gentlemen like USB, W, LK, RTW and others is invalueable....


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]But we're absolutely sane. That's what David bowie said. One of my favorite songs.

No USB. I am crazy, yes. But in no way am I stupid. No, X will never enter my house. No way in hell. No, no y no.

To my surprise, someone is sending me a link on how to get an Au Pair. LOL. I laughed so hard. That is funny.

OK. Now back to your trip. Do I have the itch? Nope. Funny how things are shaping for me. When I think of MTY now, I think of my girls. I haven't started to miss them yet. Oddly, when I think of MTY, I have a line up. I no longer have a girl in the Obsession. I never had any in Prestige (Carlos, you are correct. No regulars for me there) and I had enough of my "S". I fulfilled my fantasy with "P" and it will be a while until I start missing "X". So there. I may start to get the itch soon. But for now, I am not looking at any dates. Although Mr. "L" is tempting me with his 'When' inquiries.

The solution would probably be getting me new girls. Remember our 'Familiarity and Addiction' discussion. It is way too much work to start a new relationship with those girls. I stick to the ones I know but now it is getting too old. I am dazed & confused.

USB, did you really think I would bring "X" to my hometown, yet alone to my house? You must be crazy to believe such and idea. Carlos never replied to my questions knowing fully well that the entire idea is just simply..... absurd.

And, I think you are worse than me. You are more frequently going down than I am. For a while, I thought I was the most frequent visitor to MTY but you've proved me wrong. I think the only one gaining here is Carlos. He is good company and I know he enjoys being with us because he is a good friend. I think you should slow down USB.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

Good Advice again...but, I do not trust any of them with my true circumstances. It is one of the reasons I keep that informaton close to the vest. As for phone numbers, she only has my "GO" phone number. But, of course, with familiarity, they can, if they are of a devious mind, find out all they want about us. You are in the most danger however because you live in MTY...but, you knew that.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]USB says: "Of course, your advice is correct, and I agree with it completely. I just hope I won't live to regret trusting "G." "

Mmmm... trust.
You don't have an idea what is for a working girl calling you home. It happened to me once some 23-25 years ago.
Not just one, several.
I was a bachelor yet, but I had something worse at home, a mother that nearly cut off my balls when she learned what the girls were and what realationship I had with them.
How were they able to reach me? Remember this is a time there were no cell phones so I foolishly gave my number to a couple of them.
This is going to sound not so good, but the word "trust" is not part of the vocabulary I use with the club girls.[/QUOTE]

No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.
Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him. "

This is completly wrong.... this is not true. Seldom does a club girl has a lifespan of more than 2 years, with some exceptions. 5 years and more yes, but those are girls that never had our attention in the first place.
The thing is that we close ourselves so much on one certain type of girl, that when we find it and make it ours, we tend not to look for more.
And USB is more of a witness to this in my case and Wasted and USB are also witness to my pledge that I would not stick to just one girl as I used to do.
You guys have seen me deal dynamicly with more than one now at the clubs, opposed to what I used to do 2 years ago, when I only had a total of one or 2 girls in all the clubs, girls that got my exclusive undivided attention.
Now I tell them openly "I go everywhere and you'll won't be my only girlfriend... take it or leave it".
USB tends to stick to one and doing that, others go past you right in front of your eyes. When you try to get to them it is already too late to try to reach them.
In this case familiarty is your enemy.
One case in mind is Linda from the Harem... I always craved for Linda, but she was so popular that she never ever was free and only high rollers got her.
Now that she is past her time and no longer the novelty, and pay attention boys, I don't want her any more or I can't be with her any more cause we have seen each other so many times and she know that I go for other girls (even if we don't speak, the girls always case you) that there could be no sparks between each other.
This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????












[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]No, WastedG, I figured that you were merely joking about your "X" girl. But, the potential that these girls could start to infiltrate into the States has very real potential as the job market and immigration policy continues to change between the US and Mexico. The politics of immigration in both countries is in a State of flux.

With regard to your title "We are absolute beginners...," I do not agree. Personally, I think we are growing tired of the environment because we are absolute veterans, old soldiers that are growing tired.

Regardling things growing a bit too familiar, and the same old girls becoming "old" for us. I was experiencing the same kind of thing before "G" came along. Until she came along a couple of months ago, I had started to grow a little bored with the girls in Monterrey. I used to look forward to returning because I had one or two particular girls in mind that I really wanted to see again. But, now, if it were not for "G," I would have none. Of course, I always looked forward to visiting with Carlos and my visting amigos in Monterrey. But, let's face it, we are there for the girls.

If the girl are having trouble holding our attention, they are all in for some austere times I fear. Remember, we are taking them on salida, contributing to their bank accounts with easy money, money they enjoy earning because they like being with us. If we leave the market for several months at a time, then they are back to giving their emotionless, cold, clinical table dances and full service in the privados. Remember, their regular clients, even the ones that take them on salida, do not treat them like we do. If we grow tired of them, they are the losers. We can go to any venue, and have any woman we want.

I have visited Monterrey almost every month now for the past five years, usually a week at a time. Of course, I always enjoy Carlos' company, and I thoroughly enjoy meeting new friends, and old ones, from the board.

But, the girls, at least until very recently, were starting to get kind of routine and stale for me. I had even told Carlos that I was going to cut back my visits to maybe once every two or three months, mostly a result of budgetary constraints, but also because I was growing a little tired of the environment.

There has been very little change in Monterrey lately. There aren't many new girls in the clubs. You will find a few now and then, but not too many. I also find the attitude of the girls in the clubs to have gradually changed slightly over the past five years. Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him.

That's one reason I am entertaining the idea of going to another venue for a change. It's much more difficult for me to arrange the travel to Asia because of time constraints, and even travel to Central America has it's complications. But, I think a change of pace might be interesting, provided I can logistically arrange it on the home front with some degree of believability as an excuse to travel.

No...I am returning to Monterrey to see "G." She is a good GFE, and she delivers what I like. I figured it will not last forever, so I am returning to capitalize on it while it lasts. Once it's over, or once she tires of me, or visa versa, then I will probably cut back my travel to Monterrey. But for now, I have March and April booked. The month of May might find me in Colombia with RTW, provided I can swing it on the home front.[/QUOTE]

Good point, Carlos. If you go by the O place Monday, say hi to her for me. Also find out the name of that hot new 18 yr old! :)

Although I'll be in Mexico this week, I doubt that I can swing by MTY. It's probably time to take a break from the scene, at least for a little while anyway.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Mmmm,
"At the door, she said next time would be gratis."
I never take a gratis cause if they know that you are screwing girls from other clubs... well, that's adieu to you.
Gratis to them is you getting under their control, not the other way around.
Look at my now exgirlfriend D from the night shift at the I place.
Even if I paid her she was always angry cuase she knew I had more than one girl. Imagine if I didn't pay... I would be dead or at least nutered.[/QUOTE]

What hot 18 year old????


[QUOTE=Round the World]Good point, Carlos. If you go by the O place Monday, say hi to her for me. Also find out the name of that hot new 18 yr old! :)

Although I'll be in Mexico this week, I doubt that I can swing by MTY. It's probably time to take a break from the scene, at least for a little while anyway.[/QUOTE]

I repeat and I insist .. We are absolute beginners. But we're absolutely sane.

We maybe veterans compared to others, true. But when it comes to knowing it all, I think we have much to learn.

Carlos says: "This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves." .. I never really used the phrase 'getting on my nerves'. But now that I think about it. I guess it's true. I know for a fact now that I need me a new line up. It can be from the same place, and why not, but a totally new line. I started going that route a few visits ago, but it did not work out. I was not disappointed, but I was satisfied so I stayed with what I had. Now is the time to get a new flock, if I may use Carlos' word. I have my eyes on 2 girls at the "I" place that I already know and sampled but never fully perused. Although "X" girl is still hot and I have not had my fill with her yet. But I did have my fill with "P" and "S".

And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. Although Carlos has got it down to an art. I may not share his taste of women, but he knows how to handle the girls and how to play their games. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through. Each one of us has different approach and we all have limited time to bake our cake and eat it. With such limitations, add to it the language barrier, we are still children in a candy store. We do not know what's bad for us. It all looks great on the outside. But we still chose to bite whatever comes our way only to find out that what looked sweet turned out to be sour. Then again, we all have different goals. The 'fun of the experience' is one of my goals but I only hope that biting the wrong apple will not end me up in hell.

Wasted

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.

This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????[/QUOTE]

Well, most of those girls working in the Prestige, and yes, even in the Infinito, Matehuela, etc...have been there quite a long time. And, of course, the girls move between clubs as well.

Maybe you are correct with respect to it being less than five years between a transition of girls. And, yes, perhaps it just seems like five years because some of them have been at it a very long time.

I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs, but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in. Of course, perhaps you are right, perhaps I need to broaden my horizons. I am open to that, but only where I feel reasonably certain that I will be able to acheive the desired effect without spending gobs of money on girls trying to find out if they are "my" type.

I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide.

With respect to openly dealing with more than one girl. Remember, it is the single damaging element in my "fight" with Angry Girl, who is no longer available to me as a consequence. The initial altercation between us would not have exacerbated into its present form had I not started taking hords of other girls upstairs and bar fining them right under her nose. So, it can backfire. In her case, it doesn't matter to me, but it can cause you to lose the one you are particular "satisfied" with, depending on the girl.

Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing. My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money.

I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price. So, for me, I think I have been spoiled, always seeking out an anomaly within a venue that has few of my "preferred" types of girls and experiences for the money.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]No no no..
"Maybe it's just me and my perspective on things after visiting so many years, but I thought they were more accomodating five years ago. Carlos says its a generational thing with the girls, and that things will go full circle eventually.
Porker and I were commenting on the very same circumstance when we were having lunch at Prestige last time. Porker actually brought it up, saying that he wished that he would see some new talent, but that every time he comes to the clubs, he sees the same old girls that have been working the bars for five years. I had to agree with him. "

This is completly wrong.... this is not true. Seldom does a club girl has a lifespan of more than 2 years, with some exceptions. 5 years and more yes, but those are girls that never had our attention in the first place.
The thing is that we close ourselves so much on one certain type of girl, that when we find it and make it ours, we tend not to look for more.
And USB is more of a witness to this in my case and Wasted and USB are also witness to my pledge that I would not stick to just one girl as I used to do.
You guys have seen me deal dynamicly with more than one now at the clubs, opposed to what I used to do 2 years ago, when I only had a total of one or 2 girls in all the clubs, girls that got my exclusive undivided attention.
Now I tell them openly "I go everywhere and you'll won't be my only girlfriend... take it or leave it".
USB tends to stick to one and doing that, others go past you right in front of your eyes. When you try to get to them it is already too late to try to reach them.
In this case familiarty is your enemy.
One case in mind is Linda from the Harem... I always craved for Linda, but she was so popular that she never ever was free and only high rollers got her.
Now that she is past her time and no longer the novelty, and pay attention boys, I don't want her any more or I can't be with her any more cause we have seen each other so many times and she know that I go for other girls (even if we don't speak, the girls always case you) that there could be no sparks between each other.
This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves.
You guys get it????[/QUOTE]

I accept your premise that you believe yourself to be an absolute beginner, but in my eyes, you do not conduct yourself like anything but an expert, nor does the quality of your sessions reveal that conclusion.

I still contend that we are veterans, experts, whatever, and vastly ahead of the game compared to the hords of Gringos that come to Monterrey. In my case, I have Carlos to thank, and of course, observations of the various tactics, successes, and failures of my amigos, not to mention my own successes and failures.

WastedG, we visit Monterrey, the both of us, so frequently, that we are almost a fixture in the clubs. So, because of our frequency, I consider us to be almost as "enlightened" as some of the locals. Plus, many of the locals do not participate in salidas. We are probably some of the most experienced in that area. Salidas are not common in Monterrey.

WastedG says, "And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through."

I don't mean that we have nothing to learn. Certainly, we all have something to learn, if for no other reason that to understand the female mind, which for most males is incomprehensible. But, with respect to the Monterrey venue, the games, etc...I think we understand, in expert terms, what is generally going on. Whether we choose to act on that knowledge in a certain way is merely a matter of differing styles.

With respect to the dilemmas you mention...

Most of the dilemmas I go through are because of my expectations for the Monterrey venue, expectations that I have projected onto a venue that does not compare to what I have experienced elsewhere. It is the fault of the venue, and not a fault of ours that we are experiencing these issues.

Ask anyone that regularly visits worldwide venues. Ask them to compare TJ or Monterrey, or anything to be experienced in Mexico compared to other worldwide venues, and they will tell you in harsh terms of comparison just how poor Mexico is.

In my case, I have been able to find a similiar quality of experience to the preferred worldwide venues, but only after a signficant amount of searching, and loads of money. Yes, we have a lot to learn in order to make things happen in Monterrey the way we want them to happen. But, there is an old saying..."you can not make a silk purse out of sows ear." Monterrey is still Mexico, and attitudes, relative affluence compared to other third world venues, format, etc...are all contributing against us.

If we experience "issues" in Monterrey, it is on account of the venue itself, and not neccessarily something we ourselves are contributing to. This, all this harsh criticism, coming from a guy that loves MTY.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]I repeat and I insist .. We are absolute beginners. But we're absolutely sane.

We maybe veterans compared to others, true. But when it comes to knowing it all, I think we have much to learn.

Carlos says: "This is what is happening also to Wasted, but in his case it is ONE GROUP of girls he's stuck with and it has already started to get on his nerves." .. I never really used the phrase 'getting on my nerves'. But now that I think about it. I guess it's true. I know for a fact now that I need me a new line up. It can be from the same place, and why not, but a totally new line. I started going that route a few visits ago, but it did not work out. I was not disappointed, but I was satisfied so I stayed with what I had. Now is the time to get a new flock, if I may use Carlos' word. I have my eyes on 2 girls at the "I" place that I already know and sampled but never fully perused. Although "X" girl is still hot and I have not had my fill with her yet. But I did have my fill with "P" and "S".

And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. Although Carlos has got it down to an art. I may not share his taste of women, but he knows how to handle the girls and how to play their games. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through. Each one of us has different approach and we all have limited time to bake our cake and eat it. With such limitations, add to it the language barrier, we are still children in a candy store. We do not know what's bad for us. It all looks great on the outside. But we still chose to bite whatever comes our way only to find out that what looked sweet turned out to be sour. Then again, we all have different goals. The 'fun of the experience' is one of my goals but I only hope that biting the wrong apple will not end me up in hell.

Wasted[/QUOTE]

she was at the O place dancing onstage while I waited for my girl. pretty face and pigtails I think.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]What hot 18 year old????[/QUOTE]

I still draw a blank...
Could it be Josselyn?
If it is, just stick to "A"... Josselyn is cousin to the one and only Esmeralda, the greatest Diva the Obsss has seen and she has taught Josselyn quite well in the ways of exploiting the customer in exchange of nothing....


[QUOTE=Round the World]she was at the O place dancing onstage while I waited for my girl. pretty face and pigtails I think.[/QUOTE]

USB says:
"Ask anyone that regularly visits worldwide venues. Ask them to compare TJ or Monterrey, or anything to be experienced in Mexico compared to other worldwide venues, and they will tell you in harsh terms of comparison just how poor Mexico is. "

So what? (My catch phrase, again)
Being local I can only say one thing: Thank God we are not like other venues, cause that would mean that Mexico would be all screwed up, down the drain, the pits...
And you have to be totally realistic... you just can't compare SEA with Mexico as you can't compare Mexico with Colombia or with Brazil.
The same way you can't compare Phillipines with Thailand or Thailand with Indonesia....
It's impossible, period.





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I accept your premise that you believe yourself to be an absolute beginner, but in my eyes, you do not conduct yourself like anything but an expert, nor does the quality of your sessions reveal that conclusion.

I still contend that we are veterans, experts, whatever, and vastly ahead of the game compared to the hords of Gringos that come to Monterrey. In my case, I have Carlos to thank, and of course, observations of the various tactics, successes, and failures of my amigos, not to mention my own successes and failures.

WastedG, we visit Monterrey, the both of us, so frequently, that we are almost a fixture in the clubs. So, because of our frequency, I consider us to be almost as "enlightened" as some of the locals. Plus, many of the locals do not participate in salidas. We are probably some of the most experienced in that area. Salidas are not common in Monterrey.

WastedG says, "And how much do we know? The question is 'How much do we NOT know'? I will never claim that I am an authority on this subject nor will I expect others to be. I think we are far from being the experts and the proof is all the dilemmas we go through."

I don't mean that we have nothing to learn. Certainly, we all have something to learn, if for no other reason that to understand the female mind, which for most males is incomprehensible. But, with respect to the Monterrey venue, the games, etc...I think we understand, in expert terms, what is generally going on. Whether we choose to act on that knowledge in a certain way is merely a matter of differing styles.

With respect to the dilemmas you mention...

Most of the dilemmas I go through are because of my expectations for the Monterrey venue, expectations that I have projected onto a venue that does not compare to what I have experienced elsewhere. It is the fault of the venue, and not a fault of ours that we are experiencing these issues.

Ask anyone that regularly visits worldwide venues. Ask them to compare TJ or Monterrey, or anything to be experienced in Mexico compared to other worldwide venues, and they will tell you in harsh terms of comparison just how poor Mexico is.

In my case, I have been able to find a similiar quality of experience to the preferred worldwide venues, but only after a signficant amount of searching, and loads of money. Yes, we have a lot to learn in order to make things happen in Monterrey the way we want them to happen. But, there is an old saying..."you can not make a silk purse out of sows ear." Monterrey is still Mexico, and attitudes, relative affluence compared to other third world venues, format, etc...are all contributing against us.

If we experience "issues" in Monterrey, it is on account of the venue itself, and not neccessarily something we ourselves are contributing to. This, all this harsh criticism, coming from a guy that loves MTY.[/QUOTE]

Am gonna love this (cause USB is gonna kill me):

USB says:"I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs"
No you don't.

USB sasy: ""but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in."
Carlos: Cause you are not looking, you are thinking only on the one you have on hand. You are looking at the bird in the hand not the 2 dozen options in the bush.

USB: "I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide."
Carlos: Am gonna bet, that if you were to go to those "other venues" on a regular basis as you do to Monterrey, you'll be feelling the same as you are of Monterrey.

USB: "Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing."
Carlos: Not me.... am not missing anything.

USB says: "My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money."
Carlos: Once again: Of course they are more attentive... they NEED the money and locals are as screwed up as the economy, so they can only get it from one source.

USB says: I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price."
Carlos: So, why are Wasted, RTH, me, and others, getting that here in Monterrey???
OK, not me, I have a deadly advantage over all of you.


This is the best part, the one you are going to hate me for: The girls already know you quite well and they already know you are not a good customer. I just realized that reading this post.
"Not good" in the sense that they have you well measured as one that will only go for one and nothing else, and they know pretty well that you'll go for a salida and not spread money around.
Why do they know this? Cause they gossip till they drop and know what you are looking for.
(See, I told you should not talk to girls more than necesary)
Of course Wasted and me keep the girls on their toes, not knowing who we are going to pick and who in totally cold blood, are gonna ignore. So we are not predictable....
I had a talk with Tanya at the I place. She asked me once why is it that Mr, L doesnt take her out anymore... told her it was her fault, that she stood up Mr. L once.
She just started ranting that she was busy, that her sister was sick, that a flood had taken her money away, excuses excuses.... but one thing is for certain, that after that talk, she started to sit with Wasted trying to get the attention back....
T girl thought she had control over Mr. L... the moment she realizes it is not true, she has to beg to get back in the circle.
But it's too late, right Wasted???
Look at me at the Harem: I pay a salida. All the girls are shocked (me too). I forgot to mention the they even called my girl why we were doing the wild thing ("what are you doing!!!!").
At the Casino I sit with 2 ugly girls. Next thing, several girls ask me why the f**k am I doing that... so am back in their radar screens as a missle that might target them.
Back to USB: the girls at "other venues" are desperate for money. Here, money yes, but not desperate, so they have time enough to give us a check up.... are we worth it or not. Should they "waste" precious time with us, see if we are worth it or not... and such and such.
Notice they use that word and a lot "wasting time" on us. I don't let them do it, it's the other way around.... they are making us waste time so they better be good with us.











[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Well, most of those girls working in the Prestige, and yes, even in the Infinito, Matehuela, etc...have been there quite a long time. And, of course, the girls move between clubs as well.

Maybe you are correct with respect to it being less than five years between a transition of girls. And, yes, perhaps it just seems like five years because some of them have been at it a very long time.

I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs, but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in. Of course, perhaps you are right, perhaps I need to broaden my horizons. I am open to that, but only where I feel reasonably certain that I will be able to acheive the desired effect without spending gobs of money on girls trying to find out if they are "my" type.

I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide.

With respect to openly dealing with more than one girl. Remember, it is the single damaging element in my "fight" with Angry Girl, who is no longer available to me as a consequence. The initial altercation between us would not have exacerbated into its present form had I not started taking hords of other girls upstairs and bar fining them right under her nose. So, it can backfire. In her case, it doesn't matter to me, but it can cause you to lose the one you are particular "satisfied" with, depending on the girl.

Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing. My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money.

I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price. So, for me, I think I have been spoiled, always seeking out an anomaly within a venue that has few of my "preferred" types of girls and experiences for the money.[/QUOTE]

Well said my good friend, Carlos. I agree 95%. the other 5% is for your sick choice of 'UGLY' girls. You sure know how to find them. And to tell the truth, I think you enjoy it. You love ugly girls with big buns.

I think it's time you take it easy on USB. I mean, the poor fella, all he wants is to have a good time while visiting MTY. We turned it into a drama :) A fun one that is, but heck, the dude is probably in tears now ..... NAAAAT. USB is cool. We all love him.

Yes, I agree with Carlos’ story about Tanya. She tried so hard. Initially, she stood us up and that was all it took. We dragged X and J girls from the dance club and took'em back with us. I kept telling her that if she does not want to hang out with us, that's cool, just don't, here it comes, waste our time. We have better things to do than to just wait around for you. Then the next move was to take P and S girls out together right from under their noses for 6 or 7 hours of one of the best nights we ever had. We even paid them double and they were well worth it. Tanya was boiling with anger. But hey, she asked for it and she got it.

What's ironic in all this is that Tanya and P are good friends. But the way I see it, Tanya is taking advantage of P. I even warned P about that. I hope she listens, and I think she did. She stopped following and now she's leading.

OK. Back to the time wasted point. Yes, agree again. It is me who does not want to waste time, not the girls. S told me, through Carlos, that she can not set with me because she wants to make money in the privados. So fine, she now sets by the DJ window waiting. If she goes up, she makes sure that I see her. But I am far from getting jealous. I watch her, smile and give her the thumps up. If she walks by me, she smacks me hard because I did not acknowledge her. However, she still begs me to takes her up for a song or 2 and then tries to talk me into taking her salida. She is heartless. Cold. Unloving. Not mechanical, but emotionless. Although she gets real wet with me…. ummmm… oh well. Mind you I lent her enough money to pay for a Salida already. So in reality, I have a pre-paid Salida with her but I still do not take her.

My Lady "J" at the Obsession. The first time she sat with me, I did not even know what she looked like. I had my back turned to her and she gave me a soft nice tender ahhhh back rub. The poor thing asked Carlos 'When is he gonna get rid of me?' I said as long as she keeps up what she's doing, she can stay. The next time we were at the obsession, I looked at her face for the first time. I could not believe how beautiful she was. She has been the most obedient and accommodating girl I have met in MTY. Although she still hold back her colo from me. Someday. I am half way there.

Anyways, time for a cool change. Line'em up Carlos.

Wasted

I just got an SMS from someone saying 'Hola, como esta espero que bien solo me gustaria saber por que no fue a verme solo para saludarme tan malos recuerdos tiene de me que ya no quieran'

What? Carlos, English please. I think It's D.


[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Am gonna love this (cause USB is gonna kill me):

USB says:"I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs"
No you don't.

USB sasy: ""but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in."
Carlos: Cause you are not looking, you are thinking only on the one you have on hand. You are looking at the bird in the hand not the 2 dozen options in the bush.

USB: "I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide."
Carlos: Am gonna bet, that if you were to go to those "other venues" on a regular basis as you do to Monterrey, you'll be feelling the same as you are of Monterrey.

USB: "Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing."
Carlos: Not me.... am not missing anything.

USB says: "My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money."
Carlos: Once again: Of course they are more attentive... they NEED the money and locals are as screwed up as the economy, so they can only get it from one source.

USB says: I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price."
Carlos: So, why are Wasted, RTH, me, and others, getting that here in Monterrey???
OK, not me, I have a deadly advantage over all of you.


This is the best part, the one you are going to hate me for: The girls already know you quite well and they already know you are not a good customer. I just realized that reading this post.
"Not good" in the sense that they have you well measured as one that will only go for one and nothing else, and they know pretty well that you'll go for a salida and not spread money around.
Why do they know this? Cause they gossip till they drop and know what you are looking for.
(See, I told you should not talk to girls more than necesary)
Of course Wasted and me keep the girls on their toes, not knowing who we are going to pick and who in totally cold blood, are gonna ignore. So we are not predictable....
I had a talk with Tanya at the I place. She asked me once why is it that Mr, L doesnt take her out anymore... told her it was her fault, that she stood up Mr. L once.
She just started ranting that she was busy, that her sister was sick, that a flood had taken her money away, excuses excuses.... but one thing is for certain, that after that talk, she started to sit with Wasted trying to get the attention back....
T girl thought she had control over Mr. L... the moment she realizes it is not true, she has to beg to get back in the circle.
But it's too late, right Wasted???
Look at me at the Harem: I pay a salida. All the girls are shocked (me too). I forgot to mention the they even called my girl why we were doing the wild thing ("what are you doing!!!!").
At the Casino I sit with 2 ugly girls. Next thing, several girls ask me why the f**k am I doing that... so am back in their radar screens as a missle that might target them.
Back to USB: the girls at "other venues" are desperate for money. Here, money yes, but not desperate, so they have time enough to give us a check up.... are we worth it or not. Should they "waste" precious time with us, see if we are worth it or not... and such and such.
Notice they use that word and a lot "wasting time" on us. I don't let them do it, it's the other way around.... they are making us waste time so they better be good with us.[/QUOTE]

******Abridged Version with NEW COMMENTS******** 3/13/2007

I patronize the girls same as you guys do, same amount of salida money, same amount of girl fees, generally, unless they agree to less money. If they take less money, then I take advantage of them.

But, the truth is, if I only take one or two girls out, it's because I do not anticipate that the certain girls will perform to my expectations, or I have determined from prior experience that they are not worth the money.

Remember, I conduct my interviews in the privados. I am not looking for sex, but a good GFE, like I find in the PI, Thailand, Colombia, etc., etc, etc...The girls think they know what I want because they are used to delivering their brand of "excitement" to an otherwise clueless constituency. Most of the locals in Monterrey are clueless with respect to what is available worldwide, so they accept "shitty" service. It's kind of the same thing in the US. You don't know how bad you have it until you "go to the mountain top." The reality is, the majority of them, Monterrey and US providers, could not hold a candle to girls I have known in other venues....that's just the simple truth.

Remember, I had bar fined "G" almost two years ago. She liked me then, but did not know me well. It is only after she got to know me better, decided she was interested, and pursued me, that I became interested in her. She has the same GFE attitude of the girls in other venues. The problem is, I expect that the philosophy of the average MTY bar girl will begin to corrupt her thinking eventually, and she will sour, just as Angry Girl soured over time. I sincerely hope that's not the case, but I anticipate it.

You see, it is the attitude of the girls that dictates whether "they" will be a part of my harem or not. If they don't have the attitude, they will not interest me. It is up to them. I am actually more demanding than most other patrons in Monterrey.

If the girls think that I am not "good business" then they will sit in their respective clubs and do privados until they are blue in the face to earn their 25 pesos per song. Conversely, they could go on salida with me, provide a reasonable length of time in which to romance them, give a heartfelt performance, or a real display of interest, makes no difference to me, and they will prosper at the tune of 1000 pesos for two hours, literally 50 times what they would make if they remained in the club doing privados and selling drinks for that same amount of time. Plus, they would receive the royal treatment from me in the process.

You see, it is the attitude of many of the girls that stinks. Keep in mind, I love Monterrey. I have found a number of girls I like. But, some of them are either jealous, stupid, lazy, or all three. There is little cream that rises to the top of the bottle. There is significant "crap" to have to endure in order to find a few good providers in Mexico, as was recently illustrated by the frustrations experienced by RTW and his Obsession girl. And, how many times have we all been through the "crap" associated with patronizing new girls, the no-shows, the scam artists, the short-timers, etc., etc, etc...I could go on for days about the "crap" I have had to endure from Mexican bar girls.

I have the money...now if they only had the brains to do their jobs. Most of your comments, Carlos, about comparing MTY to other venues are correct, but they are "reasons" why the other venues surpass Monterrey with respect to GFE and attitudes. I agree with your assessment as to why, but that doesn't change the dynamic of how things are. The reasons for why things are have no bearing on what "IS" when comparing the venues.

I am first to admit that I project onto Monterrey an unfair expectation when comparing it to other venues...you are right, that is my problem. But, I can't change my sphere of experience, and Monterrey is a much more difficult venue to work in comparison. But, none-the-less I am able to work it and acheive the satisfaction I am looking for, all be it at a greater expense, and with a more modest number of girls, mostly due to their own ineptitude.

With respect to a comparison of Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand and the PI, the reasons stated above are the reasons the girls in those venues deliver a markedly better experience than what is typical of Mexico.

Don't misunderstand my comments. I love Monterrey too. I am able to get GFE in Monterrey, and with significantly less travel commitments, and the accompanying expense that might be required traveling to Asia or Central America. But, the quality of experience in those "notorious" other venues is noticeably, markedly better statistically than what is available in Mexico, Monterrey included.

The girls in those venues, IMHO, are not as attractive as the girls in Monterrey. But, even as less attractive providers, they consistently deliver a better experience, as any world traveler will testify, mostly due to the shear force of their superior service level, personalities, attentiveness, desire, etc., etc, etc...If the girls of Monterrey would simply work harder on selling me, they would achieve their ultimate goal, which is to make money. But, until I see them making some kind of respectable effort, fewer of them are going to find me patronizing them.

[QUOTE=Carlos Perez]Am gonna love this (cause USB is gonna kill me):

USB says:"I do watch for all my options when I am in the clubs"
No you don't.

USB sasy: ""but frankly, there just aren't too many others that fit my criteria, none that I am particularly interested in."
Carlos: Cause you are not looking, you are thinking only on the one you have on hand. You are looking at the bird in the hand not the 2 dozen options in the bush.

USB: "I will admit that even when I traveled to some other venues, the selection in Monterrey with respect to looks was superior. Perhaps the format of the venue, the cost, the attitudes toward todo la noche were not as good, but generally the selection was actually quite good compared to anything worldwide."
Carlos: Am gonna bet, that if you were to go to those "other venues" on a regular basis as you do to Monterrey, you'll be feelling the same as you are of Monterrey.

USB: "Plus, I realize about myself, that I have certain criteria for "exceptional" GFE that some of you may not seek out, and some of you may not even realize what you may be missing."
Carlos: Not me.... am not missing anything.

USB says: "My problem is that I have sampled and experienced what the world has to offer, in formats where todo la noche is common, and where the girls are significantly more attentive for a lot less money."
Carlos: Once again: Of course they are more attentive... they NEED the money and locals are as screwed up as the economy, so they can only get it from one source.

USB says: I can tell you from first hand experience that Monterrey does not approach this same level of experience compared to other world famous venues with respect to GFE and attitude of the girls, not withstanding price."
Carlos: So, why are Wasted, RTH, me, and others, getting that here in Monterrey???
OK, not me, I have a deadly advantage over all of you.


This is the best part, the one you are going to hate me for: The girls already know you quite well and they already know you are not a good customer. I just realized that reading this post.
"Not good" in the sense that they have you well measured as one that will only go for one and nothing else, and they know pretty well that you'll go for a salida and not spread money around.
Why do they know this? Cause they gossip till they drop and know what you are looking for.
(See, I told you should not talk to girls more than necesary)
Of course Wasted and me keep the girls on their toes, not knowing who we are going to pick and who in totally cold blood, are gonna ignore. So we are not predictable....
I had a talk with Tanya at the I place. She asked me once why is it that Mr, L doesnt take her out anymore... told her it was her fault, that she stood up Mr. L once.
She just started ranting that she was busy, that her sister was sick, that a flood had taken her money away, excuses excuses.... but one thing is for certain, that after that talk, she started to sit with Wasted trying to get the attention back....
T girl thought she had control over Mr. L... the moment she realizes it is not true, she has to beg to get back in the circle.
But it's too late, right Wasted???
Look at me at the Harem: I pay a salida. All the girls are shocked (me too). I forgot to mention the they even called my girl why we were doing the wild thing ("what are you doing!!!!").
At the Casino I sit with 2 ugly girls. Next thing, several girls ask me why the f**k am I doing that... so am back in their radar screens as a missle that might target them.
Back to USB: the girls at "other venues" are desperate for money. Here, money yes, but not desperate, so they have time enough to give us a check up.... are we worth it or not. Should they "waste" precious time with us, see if we are worth it or not... and such and such.
Notice they use that word and a lot "wasting time" on us. I don't let them do it, it's the other way around.... they are making us waste time so they better be good with us.[/QUOTE]

NEW COMMENTS ADDED 3/13/2007*******************************

This reply is directed at all concerned and not necessarily directed as a reply to WastedG's commentary below...

I think we are all arguing the same thing, but in different ways. We all have our "preferences." Our preferences are not "right" or "wrong," they just "ARE what they ARE."

I patronize girls that "D*E*L*I*V*E*R" the goods. I do not give them the time of day if they do not work me. I am not chasing them, they are chasing me. So, you see, we all agree. Just because I settle on a smaller flock does not mean I am any less demanding than the rest of you. It just means I am finding a lesser number of girls that are acceptable to me. The girls in the "I" place believe they have me figured out. They haven't a clue, because most of them do not interest me.

Take "G" for example, if she starts to get lazy, she will not enjoy a mutually beneficial arrangement, not financially, and not emotionally. I can give her both, and do. If I do not pay her one day, I make up for it in other ways the next. She does not ask me for money, nor does she expect it. I always pay anyway, one way or another, in one form or another, just to keep everything on track.

"G" would see me anyway, money or not, because we get along well as friends. But, even more so, we get along really well sexually and emotionally. So, I know what is motivating her forward, and it isn't the money. But, I am also no fool. I realize that the money will ultimately be the bottom line, if not now, then eventually.

Unfortunately, when she transitions to money being her primary motivational factor, her attitude will reflect that transition in her, and she will also likely loose her appeal with me.

So, if she is smart, she will analyse what she is doing now, and continue it. If she does that, she will continue to get contributions that far exceed anything she would earn in the form of salidas, both monetarily, and otherwise...just like a real novio/novia. That is what we both seem to want. I want the GFE, and she seems to want the BFE (Boy Friend Experience). I can do that!!!

I am really surprised the girls think they have me sized up at the Infinito. They all realize that for five years I have been bar fining girls from the Infinito. They all realize that, at least for the first four years, I would bar fine a girl almost every night, usually a different girl every night. If I find a particular girl I like best, I will usually patronize her more than the others because she is better than the others, not out of some sense of faithfulness.

In addition, because I utilize salidas to interview prospects, they should also realize that I spread money around in the privados. I usually spend no less than probably 500-800 pesos a night in the privados, usually between only three bars, the first and foremost being El Infinito, then El Cielo, then Matehuela. But El Infinito is my primary bar.

If I spend the money in the privados, it is up to them to spark my interest, verdad? That is what "G" did, and that is why she maintains her lofty position with me. That is also what Angry Girl did before she adopted the lazy, independent Mexican bar girl attitude.

They all realize I have the money to "spread around." What I don't understand, and what illustrates their ineptitude, is their lack of conscientousness. Most of the girls in the Infinito act like they are God's gift to us all, and that we must pursue them like we are in high school. You see, I have the same opinion as you guys have, in that I believe they have an obligation to pursue me as a customer, not the other way around. If they choose to go the lazy stereotypical route, then I am not interested in them, pure and simple.

It simply illustrates that most of them are typically lazy bar girls, girls that are simply bolstering the already defamatory stereotypical reputation of the typical Mexican bar girl.

We all comment regularly, including Carlos, just how lazy the girls all sometimes appear to be, especially when visiting clubs like Prestige and Obsession. How many times do we see them sitting off in a dark corner doing nothing for hours on end. Literally, if they were more "attentive," I would probably at least buy them a drink occassionally. But, I will not patronize girls that do not make an effort with me.

As you all have indicated "WE" are the customers, right? See, I think we all agree.


[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Well said my good friend, Carlos. I agree 95%. the other 5% is for your sick choice of 'UGLY' girls. You sure know how to find them. And to tell the truth, I think you enjoy it. You love ugly girls with big buns.

I think it's time you take it easy on USB. I mean, the poor fella, all he wants is to have a good time while visiting MTY. We turned it into a drama :) A fun one that is, but heck, the dude is probably in tears now ..... NAAAAT. USB is cool. We all love him.

Yes, I agree with Carlos’ story about Tanya. She tried so hard. Initially, she stood us up and that was all it took. We dragged X and J girls from the dance club and took'em back with us. I kept telling her that if she does not want to hang out with us, that's cool, just don't, here it comes, waste our time. We have better things to do than to just wait around for you. Then the next move was to take P and S girls out together right from under their noses for 6 or 7 hours of one of the best nights we ever had. We even paid them double and they were well worth it. Tanya was boiling with anger. But hey, she asked for it and she got it.

What's ironic in all this is that Tanya and P are good friends. But the way I see it, Tanya is taking advantage of P. I even warned P about that. I hope she listens, and I think she did. She stopped following and now she's leading.

OK. Back to the time wasted point. Yes, agree again. It is me who does not want to waste time, not the girls. S told me, through Carlos, that she can not set with me because she wants to make money in the privados. So fine, she now sets by the DJ window waiting. If she goes up, she makes sure that I see her. But I am far from getting jealous. I watch her, smile and give her the thumps up. If she walks by me, she smacks me hard because I did not acknowledge her. However, she still begs me to takes her up for a song or 2 and then tries to talk me into taking her salida. She is heartless. Cold. Unloving. Not mechanical, but emotionless. Although she gets real wet with me…. ummmm… oh well. Mind you I lent her enough money to pay for a Salida already. So in reality, I have a pre-paid Salida with her but I still do not take her.

My Lady "J" at the Obsession. The first time she sat with me, I did not even know what she looked like. I had my back turned to her and she gave me a soft nice tender ahhhh back rub. The poor think asked Carlos 'When is he gonna get rid of me?' I said as long as she keeps up what she's doing, she can stay. The next time we were at the obsession, I looked at her face for the first time. I could not believe how beautiful she was. She has been the most obedient and accommodating girl I have met in MTY. Although she still hold back her colo from me. Someday. I am half way there.

Anyways, time for a cool change. Line'em up Carlos.

Wasted

I just got an SMS from someone saying 'Hola, como esta espero que bien solo me gustaria saber por que no fue a verme solo para saludarme tan malos recuerdos tiene de me que ya no quieran'

What? Carlos, English please. I think It's D.[/QUOTE]

Wasted says: "You love ugly girls with big buns."
I DO NOT, SIR!!!
MMMMmmm on second thought, I think I do....



[QUOTE=Wastedgman]Well said my good friend, Carlos. I agree 95%. the other 5% is for your sick choice of 'UGLY' girls. You sure know how to find them. And to tell the truth, I think you enjoy it. You love ugly girls with big buns.

I think it's time you take it easy on USB. I mean, the poor fella, all he wants is to have a good time while visiting MTY. We turned it into a drama :) A fun one that is, but heck, the dude is probably in tears now ..... NAAAAT. USB is cool. We all love him.

Yes, I agree with Carlos’ story about Tanya. She tried so hard. Initially, she stood us up and that was all it took. We dragged X and J girls from the dance club and took'em back with us. I kept telling her that if she does not want to hang out with us, that's cool, just don't, here it comes, waste our time. We have better things to do than to just wait around for you. Then the next move was to take P and S girls out together right from under their noses for 6 or 7 hours of one of the best nights we ever had. We even paid them double and they were well worth it. Tanya was boiling with anger. But hey, she asked for it and she got it.

What's ironic in all this is that Tanya and P are good friends. But the way I see it, Tanya is taking advantage of P. I even warned P about that. I hope she listens, and I think she did. She stopped following and now she's leading.

OK. Back to the time wasted point. Yes, agree again. It is me who does not want to waste time, not the girls. S told me, through Carlos, that she can not set with me because she wants to make money in the privados. So fine, she now sets by the DJ window waiting. If she goes up, she makes sure that I see her. But I am far from getting jealous. I watch her, smile and give her the thumps up. If she walks by me, she smacks me hard because I did not acknowledge her. However, she still begs me to takes her up for a song or 2 and then tries to talk me into taking her salida. She is heartless. Cold. Unloving. Not mechanical, but emotionless. Although she gets real wet with me…. ummmm… oh well. Mind you I lent her enough money to pay for a Salida already. So in reality, I have a pre-paid Salida with her but I still do not take her.

My Lady "J" at the Obsession. The first time she sat with me, I did not even know what she looked like. I had my back turned to her and she gave me a soft nice tender ahhhh back rub. The poor thing asked Carlos 'When is he gonna get rid of me?' I said as long as she keeps up what she's doing, she can stay. The next time we were at the obsession, I looked at her face for the first time. I could not believe how beautiful she was. She has been the most obedient and accommodating girl I have met in MTY. Although she still hold back her colo from me. Someday. I am half way there.

Anyways, time for a cool change. Line'em up Carlos.

Wasted

I just got an SMS from someone saying 'Hola, como esta espero que bien solo me gustaria saber por que no fue a verme solo para saludarme tan malos recuerdos tiene de me que ya no quieran'

What? Carlos, English please. I think It's D.[/QUOTE]

USB says: "Most of the locals in Monterrey are clueless with respect to what is available worldwide, so they accept "shitty" service."
Carlos says: I do but I still love my local girls. Wouldn't exchange them for 10 Thai girls
On a second thought, 5 Thai and 5 Phillipina girls?.... maybe yes....
One thing must be made clear about this. My gang at my Yahoo group has seen the pictures of SEA... they don't care a bit about the girls.
I have made comments about this, that SEA girls are comparable to low class native Mexicans, girls that we wouldn't touch at all.

You have to understand another aspect you have to work against: club girls in Mexico consider themselves way above the girls form other venues too, even if they don't know the conditions over there. Girls here have a bigger chance of getting ahead than those in SEA. Even if they don't get the money to "get ahead" they can just go and work in a regular paying job that pays better than the salaries a working girl can get in Central America or SA.
This is arrogance and you have to find a way around that.

You have to work agains a bigger factor and we have talked about it sometimes, but now with an added element.
Clubs here are frequented by people with money. Worse not only money but clients much younger than us.
Locals in the range of 20 somethings and 30 somethings with money and willing to spend that money as opposed to foreigners being the guys with money in places like Thailand et al.
That is hard to deal with but not impossible to beat.
And talking about money, Monterrey is cheap compared clubwise to other cities, like Guadalajara an Mexico City. Even the small cities are more expensive than us.
Unbelievable but true and worse part is that they have paying customers over there too.
I don't mention here the border cities... girl material over there is awful. I've seen the pictures...
Again, we as clients have to deal with the arrogance of the girls, that we are there for them, not the other way around. I have learned to deal around that bit succesfully.
How, you ask?
1. I let them know am not dumb.
2. I tell them first hand I know every single club, cheaper than the one Iam at, so at the first sign of dissapointment I'll go elsewhere.
3. I discipline the girls to my ways, not the other way around.
4. I don't fall for them, they fall for me.
5. Gotta think some more... be back later on.





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]******Abridged Version with NEW COMMENTS******** 3/13/2007

I patronize the girls same as you guys do, same amount of salida money, same amount of girl fees, generally, unless they agree to less money. If they take less money, then I take advantage of them.

But, the truth is, if I only take one or two girls out, it's because I do not anticipate that the certain girls will perform to my expectations, or I have determined from prior experience that they are not worth the money.

Remember, I conduct my interviews in the privados. I am not looking for sex, but a good GFE, like I find in the PI, Thailand, Colombia, etc., etc, etc...The girls think they know what I want because they are used to delivering their brand of "excitement" to an otherwise clueless constituency. Most of the locals in Monterrey are clueless with respect to what is available worldwide, so they accept "shitty" service. It's kind of the same thing in the US. You don't know how bad you have it until you "go to the mountain top." The reality is, the majority of them, Monterrey and US providers, could not hold a candle to girls I have known in other venues....that's just the simple truth.

Remember, I had bar fined "G" almost two years ago. She liked me then, but did not know me well. It is only after she got to know me better, decided she was interested, and pursued me, that I became interested in her. She has the same GFE attitude of the girls in other venues. The problem is, I expect that the philosophy of the average MTY bar girl will begin to corrupt her thinking eventually, and she will sour, just as Angry Girl soured over time. I sincerely hope that's not the case, but I anticipate it.

You see, it is the attitude of the girls that dictates whether "they" will be a part of my harem or not. If they don't have the attitude, they will not interest me. It is up to them. I am actually more demanding than most other patrons in Monterrey.

If the girls think that I am not "good business" then they will sit in their respective clubs and do privados until they are blue in the face to earn their 25 pesos per song. Conversely, they could go on salida with me, provide a reasonable length of time in which to romance them, give a heartfelt performance, or a real display of interest, makes no difference to me, and they will prosper at the tune of 1000 pesos for two hours, literally 50 times what they would make if they remained in the club doing privados and selling drinks for that same amount of time. Plus, they would receive the royal treatment from me in the process.

You see, it is the attitude of many of the girls that stinks. Keep in mind, I love Monterrey. I have found a number of girls I like. But, some of them are either jealous, stupid, lazy, or all three. There is little cream that rises to the top of the bottle. There is significant "crap" to have to endure in order to find a few good providers in Mexico, as was recently illustrated by the frustrations experienced by RTW and his Obsession girl. And, how many times have we all been through the "crap" associated with patronizing new girls, the no-shows, the scam artists, the short-timers, etc., etc, etc...I could go on for days about the "crap" I have had to endure from Mexican bar girls.

I have the money...now if they only had the brains to do their jobs. Most of your comments, Carlos, about comparing MTY to other venues are correct, but they are "reasons" why the other venues surpass Monterrey with respect to GFE and attitudes. I agree with your assessment as to why, but that doesn't change the dynamic of how things are. The reasons for why things are have no bearing on what "IS" when comparing the venues.

I am first to admit that I project onto Monterrey an unfair expectation when comparing it to other venues...you are right, that is my problem. But, I can't change my sphere of experience, and Monterrey is a much more difficult venue to work in comparison. But, none-the-less I am able to work it and acheive the satisfaction I am looking for, all be it at a greater expense, and with a more modest number of girls, mostly due to their own ineptitude.

With respect to a comparison of Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand and the PI, the reasons stated above are the reasons the girls in those venues deliver a markedly better experience than what is typical of Mexico.

Don't misunderstand my comments. I love Monterrey too. I am able to get GFE in Monterrey, and with significantly less travel commitments, and the accompanying expense that might be required traveling to Asia or Central America. But, the quality of experience in those "notorious" other venues is noticeably, markedly better statistically than what is available in Mexico, Monterrey included.

The girls in those venues, IMHO, are not as attractive as the girls in Monterrey. But, even as less attractive providers, they consistently deliver a better experience, as any world traveler will testify, mostly due to the shear force of their superior service level, personalities, attentiveness, desire, etc., etc, etc...If the girls of Monterrey would simply work harder on selling me, they would achieve their ultimate goal, which is to make money. But, until I see them making some kind of respectable effort, fewer of them are going to find me patronizing them.[/QUOTE]