Isla Margarita

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I've only been there once, and had no time for mongering. Please let us know what you find there!


[QUOTE]Originally posted by wild tx
[i]I will be going to Margarita in July.
Is there anything special to look for.
I will be there a week.
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If you are looking for sex you made a big mistake by going to Margarita Island. Especially during Venezuelan national holiday season. These guys have a hobby of ripping off tourists. Escort agencies (found only one decent one).
Go to the malls to try to chat up girls working there and shopping girls. You need fluent Spanish and bring some big bills. The good life is expensive on the island. Girls at the bars the locals go to were butt ugly. Best option is to chat up some regulars. On the main street in Porlamar however there are strip-clubs. Avda. 4 de Mayo is the name if I remember correctly. Best club is Goldfingers (owned by a Canadian) also go to Fat Boys if it is still in business under that name. It's across the street to your right hands side if you leave Goldfingers. Now owned by another Canadian. Hang out with the local ex-pat crowd. Many guys from the States in offshore gambling businness. They know the ropes. Go to Woody's bar also on 4 de Mayo. You can talk to the strippers if they want to go home with you after work. Some will want to do so. Asking price is high/ could be high depending on you. Girls are sweet.
Bottom line:
IMHO the island sucks big time.

I heard something about the island in a website called
adultvacations.com but the tour packages seem way to expensive
for me if you can afford it though knock yourself out

I may have the opportunity to go to Margarita Island (which means by the way, Call of the Sea) next summer on a geological expedition, hence my name. The leader is a Canadian fellow and like the owners of the better titty bars, an expatriot...I guess it is warmer there than at home. I was going to ask a similar question regarding the "action" on the island. Doesn't sound good. Anyone have an idea of prices ? Is it leagal or should I say, what is legal there ? I'll be there six weeks, oy vey !

And the abbreviations: LOL (lot of luck), BTW (by the way), ST (short term), LT (long term), IMHO (in my humble opinion), and don't forget YMMV (your mileage may vary) and DATY (down at the "Y"). I don't know what is SC or IM.

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Isla Margarita is basically a deal where its an island (duuuuh) and the only women there know that they have a corner on the market for all those tourists, and they charge accordingly.

Hi,
When I go to Margarita Island, I will be staying in Punta de Piedras. Any action ? Clubs/massage/women ?
Many Thanks - Rockhunter

Hey guys,

A friend and I are heading down to Margarita for the Christmas and New year period, and we could really use some info on the place regarding bars and nightlife in the Porlamar area.

We are 2 youngish Brits(28), and we don't speak much Spanish, but we've got the right number of fingers and toes so to speak, and money is not a problem.

All the posts below are quite negative, but it can't be that bad, can it? It's a Caribbean Island at the end of the day...

A full trip report will follow on return.

Thanks,

Tomster

I was there for New Years 2001. Going rate was $50 for all night, but stripper girls were more expensive about $100 - 150
There are lots of semi-pros in bars and clubs, buy them a drinks, try to dance and later they will offer to you to go home with them. in the morning they will pull out the story like they have a baby and need some money for their support, like $50. from my observation most girls that are standing alone or with girlfriend in bars are or could be semi-pros, . met two girls that way.

Golfingers is ok, strip-joint girls are pretty, it is possible to take them to hotel, but depending where you are staying, hotel might ask you to register the guest before allowing them to go upstairs.

Thanks tiger1234,

I appreciate the info. Can you recommend any clubs in the Porlamar area?

Tomster.

Was there a few weeks back, the place was very quiet. On the main strip there are a few strip clubs, went in three of them. Pretty Women, Cosa Rosa and another. Each had about 3-4 or 5 girls, the dancing was poor and uninspired. Seems the girls were more interested in getting you to buy them a overpriced drink.

A bar called Woody's Bar was meant to be a pick up joint, 5000Bs min entry with 5 drinks included. Only 10-15 people in there each night. Of all the girls(pro) we saw, most were 25-40 years old. Check out the beer garden in the Hotel Tamaca also, a few girls there but oldish.

My conclusion would be that Isla Margurita is not a sex resort.

I agree. I just returned from Isla Margarita and I cannot recommend it as a P4P destination. The strip joints were mediocre at best and the women were concerned with only one thing- buying them an f-ing overpriced brandy.

Woody's was PACKED on a Thursday night- seemed to be about half pros and half regular girls. I didn't see many chicas over a 7, though. My brother and I took off after, I swear to God, a group of no less than 20 English/Australian guys walked in and completely ruined the girl/guy and the gringo/non-gringo ratio. Reminded me of Cancun (AKA Florida in Mexico). That's what I deserve for going to a resort island!

Also, the girls that we did talk to definitely had more attitude (a la American women) than your typical Venezolana that you will find in parts of Caracas, Maracay, Valencia, etc.

And that is why I enjoy Colombia...

Not much posting here lately. Political unrest? Is IM affected?

Can anyone post info regarding the following link?

http://affordable-adult-vacations.com

Thanks, AL

I'm planning to go to AAV from 2/17-2/24.

Don´t take this the wrong way, but affordable adult vacations or whatever that is, for idiot clueless tourists, mostly American who just don´t have a clue but are willing to OVERPAY by a factor of TEN or more for willing female companionship.

I would not recommend paying an adult escort service $350 for 24 hours of fun, let alone any extra charges. Of course, that's my personal take, you are free to blow your money any way you want.

Personally, you should be able to snag chicas in Isla Margarita for $50 a throw.

<<I would not recommend paying an adult escort service $350 for 24 hours of fun, let alone any extra charges. Of course, that's my personal take, you are free to blow your money any way you want.

Personally, you should be able to snag chicas in Isla Margarita for $50 a throw.>>

What would hotels and meals cost? Plus you don't have to go out and pick them up. There is no hunting here.

if you don't want to pick them up and are willing to pay that kind of money, just get yourself a US ho and save the time and effort involved in the plane trip.

if you change money on black market and don't stay in foreign tourist trap, hotels and food are dirt cheap.

Huge,

Ive read about AAV, and am interested in how your trip turns out. Please let me know.
Also, for those who believe that Huge is wasting his money, please allow me to state some of the advantages (assuming AAV is a good, legit organization, which I THINK it is)

1. Huge gets his pick of the women. Theres no seeking out any around town. No traps. No possible arrests or misunderstandings. You know what you are getting.

2. Huge stays in a resort geared for such activities. Ive known mongers who bring women back to their rooms in some hotels, only to find its a trap. Some gendarme breaks in, threatens to arrest the guy, and takes his money (or its jail).

3. While it seems expensive, when you factor in the cost of food, activities, lodging, etc, its not out of sight. And I dont know where you live, Catrine, but in my neighborhood you cant get women for $350.00 per night, unless its a crack HO you take off the streets of the Bronx. Generally the services nightly rates start at $500 and up where I live.

Some people like Streetwalkers. Theres an element of excitement in running around some crappy city street trying to pick up some ho for 25 bucks and get a BJ in your front seat. Heck, Hugh Grant has more money then I do and thats what thrilled him, and he had LIZ HURLEY for a Girlfriend. To each his own, and thats fine with me.

But when you get to be my age, its good to know what you are getting.

Groan:

Can someone tell me again why someone should pay thousands of dollars for chicas in Isla Margarita, when you could instead pay them $50? I don't get it.

Remember, the choice here is NOT between doing US hos for big $$, its between paying some middle man thousands of dollars for chicas in Venezuela, or simply flying down by yourself, and getting the same chica for 10% of the cost.

>>Huge,

Ive read about AAV, and am interested in how your trip turns out. Please let me know.
Also, for those who believe that Huge is wasting his money, please allow me to state some of the advantages (assuming AAV is a good, legit organization, which I THINK it is)

1. Huge gets his pick of the women. Theres no seeking out any around town. No traps. No possible arrests or misunderstandings. You know what you are getting.

2. Huge stays in a resort geared for such activities. Ive known mongers who bring women back to their rooms in some hotels, only to find its a trap. Some gendarme breaks in, threatens to arrest the guy, and takes his money (or its jail).

3. While it seems expensive, when you factor in the cost of food, activities, lodging, etc, its not out of sight. And I dont know where you live, Catrine, but in my neighborhood you cant get women for $350.00 per night, unless its a crack HO you take off the streets of the Bronx. Generally the services nightly rates start at $500 and up where I live.

Some people like Streetwalkers. Theres an element of excitement in running around some crappy city street trying to pick up some ho for 25 bucks and get a BJ in your front seat. Heck, Hugh Grant has more money then I do and thats what thrilled him, and he had LIZ HURLEY for a Girlfriend. To each his own, and thats fine with me.

But when you get to be my age, its good to know what you are getting.>>

Precisely, $350 a day for Lodging ,Meals, a lady , and a chauffeur is not that expensive :).

When you add in the cost of food, lodging, recreation, it hardly comes out to ten times the money. When you are, as cantine says, a lazy American how the heck are you going to go into town, where you dont speak the language, go hunting for women, maybe wind up in trouble. Maybe get scammed. Maybe get hurt. With an adult travel service, its all taken care of. Sure, the price is at a premium, but for some its worth it. There are some instances where a person might wind up paying three times the real cost anyway.

I once saw a posting on the Dominican Republic which says that anyone should go right into the streets and bars and be aggressive with trying to snag and pay for feminine companionship. The Dominican men will respect you for it. Yeah, and they might also blade ya if you walk into the wrong bar.

I merely brought up the street walkers in that for some people its the hunting in bars and negotiations with women that they actually ENJOY. It gives them a sense of fun, excitement, and accomplishment.

Is Isla Margarita that wide open a place where you can go hunting around with impunity?

margarita's a great place to go and hunt.

but it is hunting, not negotiating. big difference.

if you're a paunchy middle aged male and you think some 19 year old venezuelan girl is going to give you the time of day because you're mister big bucks bigshot, you're in for a rude surprise.

just walk into sr. frog's and you will find such guys hanging out by the bar all by themselves, all night.

the girls will be there with their friends and families so even if she were attracted to the chance to make some good money in a short amount of time, she'd have to pass because she couldn't be seen with you in normal company.

if you're brad pitt, matt damon, ben affleck, etc etc etc

you won't have these problems. then she'll desperately want to be seen with you in normal company.

then you might be the hunted.

as an example:

i saw an american kid in there, 20 years old, no spanish, but tall blonde and muscular and most of the women there wanted to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] him. he'd do well in the states too, he's a good looking kid but his height and his short blonde hair made him ever more attractive there.

There is a lot of misconception about being a gringo in a foreign land. I remember reading report in the old wsg site, some guy posted: in Brazil just walk up to any girl in the mall, and she'll go with you for 50 bucks.

So when I went to Brazil I realized that this was as far away from truth as could be. While on beaches in Santa Catarina one of my friends, little over 30, slightly overweight (belly) was getting no attention from the local non pro beach crowd. They didn't seem to care about foreigners, and there were plenty of good looking local dudes.

It's important to do some research about the country and location and go with the right expectations. My 2 cents.

AH, therein lies the rub, Catire.

You see, if I was as young as and looked like Brad Pitt, even with the money I have now, Id have the women hanging all over me. I certainly wouldnt have any trouble attracting extremely attractive feminine companionship, and it would be FREE!
Well, relatively so.

But alas, I AM a paunchy middle aged male. So for that reason I might be better off with an AAV.

Hi,

I am going to Marqarita in Dec from the 14th to 19th. I never been anywhere besides Tijuana and I am hoping if someone could give me some advice, such as where to stay, and where to find girls that might be good for an all nighter.

Thanks.

there are hookers available in Margarita. Most of them will cater to tourists and they will charge tourist prices. ($100 or so)

if you pay a single penny more than $50 you should be thrown out of the island/country for fucking it all up.

50 dollars times the current black market dollar rate is 50x2500 =
125,000 bolivares.

This is extremely generous.

for short time encounters, frankly, you shouldn't pay much more than 70K (32US)

I'd say try a place that used to be called Woody's on Cuatro de Mayo (now it has a different name)

it's up where several strip clubs are (another option but way too expensive)

SeanEZ hit the nail right on the head. This kind of bullshit DISinformation, or should we say "advertising" on so called male travel sites has existed for years and it's always the same BS.

the reality is if you can't get laid in your own country without paying for it you will have to pay for it overseas. In some places paying for it is easier than others. In some places the girl might not go with you even if she's a hooker. That's what makes P4P overseas that much more interesting.

Raker, you do what you want to do. It's my personal opinion that you are a walking example of the WC Fields line - "there's a sucker... etc etc "

AAV's livelihood depends on that saying being true.

even if you're purely playing the "john" role you can go to any of several destinations and have your dick fall off with all the different hookers you'll pay for and still pay less than half of what you're paying the con artists at AAV for.

p.s. I find it interesting that you use the word "hunt" on a consistent basis. That's why I phrased my Margarita reply as I did.
You're not looking to hunt. You are looking to point and click. Get your phraseology straight because it can be confusing. And.... should you actually enjoy the hunting game at least a tiny bit - then I don't quite understand the fascination of AAV. That's as far away from hunting as you are going to get.

Actually, "theres a sucker born..." was attributed to the circus man PT Barnum, although he never said it quite like that.

You make a point, Catire. But one must know where to go. The thrill of the hunt just doesnt do it for me anymore. If I can walk into a bar, where I can have my pick of hookers that will stay with me for a week for $50.00 a night, it may be worth it. But one must hope that the girl is legit. That she isnt going to get her boyfriend or big brother to rob you at knifepoint. If you KNOW what to expect, then great.

Hey guys,

I am going to Margarita in Dec and I was wondering if any you had any info on the scene down there, such as street walkers or any girls that do all nighters. I know you can get a girl at a couple strip clubs on ave 4 I think, but I have been told they are way too expensive. Also Iam pretty young 24, and good looking just Iam stuck in the here for a week and I do not speak spanish so I think I am going to need help to get some down there. I heard Sr. Frogs is good to pick up a local but with no spanish I do not know about that. Any help would be great.

Señor Frog's in Porlamar is a great place to take a girl, but you won't find many unattached local women there. Waaaaay too expensive for them.

I'd have to disagree with that assessment, but you must also keep in mind that Senor Frog's is a place for Venezuelans on VACATION - and those Venezuelans will find the money to go to Sr. Frog's. You have to understand the concept of rumbear and how important that is in the culture.

the hip thing to do is to stay at the Frog's until dawn and then go straight to the beach, and those who have cars, indeed do just that.

If you're 24 and good looking, you might just do well at Frog's, though hopefully your definition of good looking will mesh with theirs. The language barrier can be troublesome, but if a girl finds you hot enough you guys will figure out a way to work around it and she or her friends will probably know "some" English.

I know guys who can't speak a lick of the local language around the world but they still do very well and it's not because they look like male models, but they do have a certain charm and force of personality that breaks even the language barrier.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of them. Maybe you are.

good luck.

That's correct, I completely forgot about the hordes of single, attractive females from the Venezuelan mainland who travel alone to Isla Margarita to meet guys. I am sure that there no end of such women at Señor Frog's.

Lots of opinions here. Has anyone actually ever used AAV?
I look forward to posts from anyone going.

Well I think you all don't know what is going on in Margarita. I was there 2 weeks ago and I had a great time. The girls where realexed, and me and my friends makes a lot of porno scene in the hotel room.

Everyday other girls came to visit us in our hotel.

PM me and I send you some pics.

You just walk in the shopping center Sambill and you get crazy.

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Re: Lots of opinions here. Has anyone actually ever used AAV?

I look forward to posts from anyone going.

I did use them back in march this year for the 7-day trip and was totally disappointed. Left and checked myself into a hotel the next day and had a great time.

Was nothing like it was promised on the site lost a deposit, which he promised to refund and never did, Might have changed Beware.

Save your money

Well, thanks for providing your opinion.

How was it not what they promised? Girls not the same? Resort itself was inadaquate? Let us know.

Well, thanks for providing your opinion.

How was it not what they promised? Girls not the same? Resort itself was inadaquate? Let us know.

What was promised on the website Chauffer with your own car. Choice of chicas, and decent accomodations.

http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/images/the_resort/index.html

Resort: Is not a resort but a house by the beach that would need some repairs that would put a roach house to shame 2 bathrooms for the enire household of 8 rooms and toilet refused to flush

Food: Not inclusive as promised. You pay for your own food even though they say its included.

Car for your personal with chauffer: One car for all the folks out there which is will fall apart if washed.

Escorts: While I was there there were only 4 escorts(they were 4 -7 range) who were with the other guests after complaints to the guy who runs the place (lives in Canada) They did get me a street Walker who after they paid her came up with the excuse saying she had her period and left 1/2 hour after she got in the room and the transaltor left for the night

To cut the long story short I was not happy with the service or accomodations and escorts provided and requested that they drop me off in palmero the next day and had a better time by myself even though I dont speak spanish met a couple of chicas an english speaking cab guy and all this cost me a lot less cab 25U$ a day Hotel 49 U$ at the dynasty chicas the cab guy took me to were bout 70 U$ a night and some of them hung out all day with you and had great attitude and sex to me this place is a Bait and S unless its changed

I hope this helps

Ouch, I alway hate to see someone spend good money and not have a good time! I plan on going in Jan. and will definately not use them. Thanks for the heads up.

Well, Tan Wulf, all I can say is thank you for letting me know this.

I was considering using AAV, but now I think I will pass and just do the trip myself.

First of all, Happy Holidays to everyone!

Secondly, I am curious, being new to the board. What would be some of the BEST pfp places in South America? Or the Carribean? Anyone have an opinion?

Thanks!

{blue]Hi Racker,

That's an easy question to answer: Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Why do you think I move here?

Jackson[/blue]

Not an easy answer at all.
Depends on your tastes/preferences and budget.

BA wouldn't even make it in my top 5.
But Jackson is entitled to his opinion.

Racker,

I have traveled throughout the world and I truly believe that Buenos Aires and Mexico City are the greatest places because they have every type of women you ever desired. (Except Hindus, and Asians) If those are they type of women you like you can look into Signapore or Thailand.

In Buenos Aires and Mexico City you have women that are every color and every height.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Boxing and Jackson. Ive heard BA is one of the best as well. But what sort of p4p spot would you recommend, Catire? It could be anywhere in the world. Im sort of new at this and I would like to know. I DO speak some Spanish and German but as for other languages Id have to say no.

Many Americans go to Las Vegas for fun. Let me tell you that it may be one of the WORST places to go. The prices are absurdly high and the women all look alike.

like I said, depends on your preferences and your budget. Also depends on how you like your P4P experiences (for e.g - are you into timed commercial "escort" short time kind of experiences, or more of a freelancer rent a girlfriend kinds of experiences)

It also depends on how you like your women (features, color of skin for e.g.)

I have no idea where in DF, Señor BXRL was hanging out but unless you are willing to shell out big bucks then you will not find the so called "variety" he talks about. I've been to DF several times. The best indicator of "variety" is what you will see out on the streets in different parts of town.

I'm not too big on BA variety either. If you go thru any of the several escort listings with pics from BA you might be as underwhelmed on that front as I was. I'd also like to point out if I wanted Brazilian girls, I'd go to Brazil and not come to BA to screw them in commercial setting for thrice the Brazilian price.

Hmm, you've given me something to think about, Catire.

I think Id prefer the "rent a girlfriend" aspect of P4P. For 2 days anyway. Then rent another Girlfriend, etc, until I go home. These women would be with me for 24 hrs.

I prefer fair skinned women, hair color unimportant, etc.

Argentina tends to have the highest percentage of so called fair skinned women since they're proud of not having been polluted by the darker masses and don't think of themselves as Latin but European.

But you can find fair skinned women in most Latin countries, though of course not in such heavy a percentage.

anyways, under the conditions you mention

I'd say Argentina couldn't carry Colombia's jockstrap.

Well, thanks for your input, Catire.

I hear Colombia is a dangerous place, but it may just me the American media painting it that way.

Also, when I say "fair skinned" I guess I mean not dark. Light brown is fine. Then again, Dark can be good too if the Chica has the right personality.

I have 2 questions for those who have been to Porlamar on Margarita Island:

1. Are the beautiful supermodel type girls on the island. And by beautiful I mean the pic that I have attached. I'm very picky about my women!!

2. Which hotels are girl-friendly on the island?

I'm contemplating on going there this February and I appreciate any other recent info you guys may have.

Happy Hunting, everyone!

I just got back from AAV. I had a great time. Iwill post pictures later.

Yes, Huge, please let us know how it went.

I've heard some negative things here about AAV, and they seem to be warrented because they make sense.

But let us know how YOUR experience was. It should provide an interesting contrast.

I don't see the reason why you need to spend thousands of dollars to AAV when everything on the island is dirt cheap including gorgeous women. I just got back from Margarita Island 3 weeks ago and stayed at the Hesperia Playa el Agua and had a great time. Even though I managed to sneak a local into my hotel, they were not allowed in. But there was a motel 5 min away (La Rina) that rented rooms for approx 5 dollars per hour. The island is flooded with beautiful girls and they are anxious for you to talk to them. The bars on Playa el Agua have the most local girls catering to the tourists. They are very friendly and will make an exuse why they need 50000 bolivars (18usd) and ask you if you want to have sex. The beach bar is called Panare and beers are about $.50 cents each. Just walk in and pick out the hottest venezuelana and start conversation. If you or her dont speak spanish, just use body language.

The is also a strip club in Porlamar where the dancers are also available after hours. These girls are 9's and 10's and cost a little more.

So I have graduated from using the Forum as a research method to being adding a little something, info that will help the next fellow monger. Magarita is full of mongering opportunites and you're a fool if you pay top dollar. First of all, you must take advantage of the Black Market, wherein you can get 3000 bolivares to $1. That's not rare and in fact, you'll be bombarded with offers. I went to a place called American Bar, near Plaza Bolivar in Porlamar (near all the shopping, but in a conspicuous location). The girls in there were above average, but I was not initially overwhelmed by the girls. There were only about 6 or 7 to choose from ranging from 4's-8's, of all complexions and mixes Venezuelan style. Alot of these places try to get you to spend money on you getting drunk. If you're into it, fine, but I'd rather spend my hard earned green on moist vagina. I gave one girl the infamous eye and she came over and we kinda shot the shit, not talking about much to break the ice. She left the couch somewhat abruptly which I was taken back by, and about 30 seconds later, an employee dressed in a tuxedo appears and asks if I want to take her. I agree to pay 85,000 bz (about 29 US dollars), which I probably could have gotten cheaper. This included the room and the girl. If you want to do the deed on the premisis, sometimes places try to charge a way too much just for the room so make sure to ask the charge for the combo deal. She was a beauty from Caracas, 5'8" dark with jet black hair and slender build. But she taught me that the great looking girls aren't always the best fuck. Margarita has lots of non-pro beautiful women walking the streets so take advantage. And I suggest not going to the strip clubs where you can get taken to the bank. I'm sure the girls are great looking,but not worth paying for the nut. There are 3 of these rip off spots near what they call the Jumbo, which is a outside/inside mall. I didn't get a chance to go to Morrisons, but there were lots of beautiful girls outside.

Great report, Steven.

The Pro/anti AAV debate had been going on for awhile. I wanted to see what Huge thought of his experience overall.

You mentioned "chatting up the babes". I assume you speak good Spanish. Or do the women there speak English?

I myself might be more into the "rent a girlfriend for three days" kinda thing. Is this possible to do? Also, is Margaria a safe, nice, place?

Hey Racker,

In Margarita its not hard to find a girl which you can exchange phone numbers and spend a few days with her as a boy/girl friend type relationship. All you need to know is a few basic spanish words or sometimes she will have a friend that speaks some english to translate. I actually went to the reception of my hotel and had the guy working there call her and do the talking on where we were going to meet up that night.. Most of them have cell phones and can be reached all the time...just like the previous report...dont bother with the strip clubs as they are looking to milk you but frequent the more local bars where any one of the girls would be happy to hook up with a white boy. The going rate for the locals was 50000bs, which is about 17usd. That doesnt include a room but they know where the rooms are and they are not expensive even if you have to take a cab its really cheap. Margarita is mostly a safe place, especially the beach area but you just want to watch out in the city of Porlamar and not venture off out into the darker areas. I had no problem in Porlamar 3 nights but occasionally heard some stories of purse snatchers and even a guy got robbed at gun point, but its far from common. I rate this one of the best places ive been for best weather, beaches, and women overall. Bumped my previous Cuba to second.

Muchas Gracias Cubanito!

Actually I do speak some Spanish, enough for basic communication. Your report of Margarita Island was interesting indeed.

Understand that I'm not some male model (who is, really?) but a pudgy guy pushing 50. I would be looking for a pleasant woman who would tag along after me while I relax in the Sun or play in the Casino. And you are right, AAV is probably way overpriced as compared to doing the trip yourself, but you need to know where to go. Landing in a strange place not knowing how to find what you want would be frustrating to me.

To All the Mongers
Where would you recommend to stay Porlamar or Playa El Aqua?
Let me know. If they every get Chavez out of there I would love to go to Puerto Cruz!

if you want to be closer to the action, and that includes hookers, stay in Porlamar.

Playa El Agua is for normal tourists there for a quiet beach vacation. All the locals party in Porlamar though there is always an occasional exception to that rule.

Cubanito isn't far off the mark but don't think these are normal nice girls looking to hook up with a white boy. (except if you're Brad Pitt like of course).

what's a monger?

Catire,
Sorry for the typo. I meant mongerers aka perverts or deviants.

Since I don't consider myself a pervert nor a deviant, should I delete my response to your question?

Catire,
I was only kidding around. I see the term mongerer used all the time on this board. I think it is pretty funny. Sorry if you took offense.

For anyone interested I went to Margarita back in december for a week. Here is what I saw. I am a just a young white guy that can not speak spanish.

The first place I went to was the Gentelman's Club that is across the street from Ruby's. The place had about 15 girls on a sunday all were ok no one over a 7. The place is nice and clean inside. The girls pushy for a drink and they try to get you to have a lap dance which is a rip off. To take the girl home it cost 120,000 Bol. The girl I took back to the hotel was nice she stayed for two hours and did everything but anal.
Second place Ruby's. This place is a little dirty and the people working there are real pushy and not friendly at all. The girls are actually nicier then the bar tender. You can not take girls home but you can fuck in the back for 80,000. The back is really dirty all the is these make shift walls about 4 foot hight making little booths for you to go and fuck with about 10 other guys and girls. Really dirty I would not recommend it. Also when I was there the cops show up and get freebes all the time.

Revolution is an ok place, clean in the inside and the help there were nice and the girls were not pushy for those drinks. There is a strip show there and you can get a lap dance that ends with a bj there. The girls were the best looking as a whole here. I took one girl to the hotel it cost 110,000 after some haggleing. But this was by far the best experience. The girl did everything including anal and she stayed the whole night till about 10am. So this place as the best value.

The Texas Gold when I was there was dead but I heard it has new people there now but it still seems to be too expensive for Margarita.

Now all these places are on Cuatro de Mayo, the main street in Polamar. Revolution is harder to find but any taxi will now where it is. Also some advice I stayed at the Dynasty hotel, its place not too expensive, but if you take a taxi do not pay more than 3,000 to most places.

Well I hope this helps anyone going to Margarita.

Given that you're young, and one might assume gringo looking (you wrote "white guy") did put much effort into the nonpro scene, and can you provide any info on it?

I've always heard that Margarita sucked for P4P, but that the well-off Venezuelan tourist girls there take a liking to gringos.

Leo, that depends on what kind of gringo you are.

Middle aged, pot bellied types need not waste their time (at least certainly not on beach bunny higher class girls).

Young and reasonably fit types with some 'game' on the other hand will have decent odds on their side.

Gringos are probably more popular in Venezuela than any other Latin American country, culturally speaking. This is especially true of the upper classes, which in other countries tend to be notoriously anti American.

p.s. blonde haired beach boy surfer types or buff football player types will have the most success.

I'm going back to the old AAV in July. AAV has a new resort there.

The old is now called mywildvacation.

Catire,

You said "Gringos are probably more popular in Venezuela than any other Latin American country, culturally speaking. This is especially true of the upper classes, which in other countries tend to be notoriously anti-American."

I respect your opinion and enjoy reading your posts, so I was wondering if this was your personal experience (cause I hear similar thing before). I only felt this was when I was in Brazil, out of all places!, or maybe I should say I felt the sentiment, nothing really personally against me. In Argentina I met most pro-american crowd ever: they know more about elections in US than we do. In addition there I met many who spoke good English. What is the situation like in Colombia and other latin countries regarding this? I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

Thanks!

Sean.

I say this thru personal experience and thru discussion and obseravation with and of Latins. You are correct in saying it's more of a sentiment rather than personal and it seems that Brazil is one of the worst countries for his kind of sentiment. My Brazilian friends have stated this on numerous occasions. Venezuelans will also confirm the general affinity for gringos. Of course, in places like Venezuela and others, this affinity will be at least partly due to the fact that you "probably have money".

I have always joked that if you were a decent looking blonde guy in his thirties, living in Miami that took out a "looking for a wife" ad in the Venezuelan newspapers, you'd probably hear from 95% of the single (and perhaps married too) women in the country.

I have limited experience with Colombia so other may be better able to answer this question, but it's interesting to note how many marriage agencies exist in Colombia targeting gringos. I suspect over there it's seen first an foremost as a ticket to a better life (of course it's seen as this in other places as well)

With a high class, moneyed girl this won't be as much of an issue, but understandably then, she will be a lot more picky about her potential mate and you'd better be bringing something more than your "gringohood" to the party.

p.s. I'm a little surprised about Argentina. Have never been there but my perception was that they were quite bitter at the US, especially after their economic crash. It's also notable that Argentines are widely despised in other countries of Latin America for their arrogance and racism.

There are now 2 resorts the old 1 is now @ mywildvacation.com.

I'm going back to that 1 in July.

Huge,

You still never told us what your experience was like at AAV. You also said youd post some pictures.

The pictures were corrupted on the cd.

I had a great time wall to wall sex :)

Anyone thinking of using AAV. Please don´t. I am writing this message as I sit waiting for my taxi to leave for another hotel my own. What was promised and what is on the wesite has little to do with what they have here. In next few days, I will post a detailed report. Hopefully, in next few days I will have positive experiences on my own and will compare them with AVV. Until then, please do not give your deposit to AAV (or is it called A V V).

1. AAV is raising rates, My Wild Vacation is not.

2. The prices go up after October 1st 2004. Do not forget I have not changed prices in 18 years.

Any reservations before October is going to be at the rate that is on the site right now.

It does not matter for when as long you book before October 1st 2004.

3. The rates will change as follows:

3 or 4 days and nights from $1,950.00 to $2,150.00.
5 or 6 days and nights from $2,250.00 to $2,500.00.
7 days and nights from $2,450.00 to $2,750.00.

Hugh

I received this email from Thomas Wild:

Huge,

I'm sorry to hear about the experiences of Tasty1. It is unfortunate that word did not get out to everyone that AAV and Alexis had lost booking contract with LAS HERMANAS (The Sisters), and some of them were sent to the "NEW" AAV resort which is in fact a few rooms in a 200 room family hotel, The Tropical Refuge. This is the third resort that Alexis has been with in 4 months.

He is raising his prices to pay for the additional cost of a hotel.

Our resort, formerly offered by AAV is now located at www.mywildvacation.com, and we continue to be the premiere South American destination for an all inclusive adult erotic vacation. We have owned our own villa since 1995, and our experiences with running the operation since then has provided us with much insight into what works for our guests here on Margarita Island.

The main reason for our split with Alexis and AAV is precisely what Tasty1 experienced. He will promise his customers anything to get a reservation (Lobster at every meal, champagne, three chauffeur driven limousines, etc.)

Huge, we pride ourselves on offering a great package at a reasonable rate.

Our prices have remained constant, and will continue to be as such in the foreseeable future. Repeat guests are the most important part of our business. We had close to 40 % return rate for our guests in the last two years, and we will exceed that this year.

Thanks for the information. Looking forward to seeing you in July.

Thomas Wild


[blue]Mr Wild proclaims that "we continue to be the premiere South American destination for an all inclusive adult erotic vacation.."

Move over dude, because the WSG Mansion is going to upset this self-proclaimed industry leader to become the new champion in sophisticated male vacations. The reason is simple: They're located in the middle of nowhere and their chicas are essentially peasant girls from down off the farms. The WSG Mansion is located in the middle a world-class city, with first class night time entertainment, hundreds of 5 star restaurants, and our women are cultured, intelligent, educated and bi-lingual.

[url]www.purr.com[/url]

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Here is my report on AAV.

Booked for a week by sending Alexis $450 to an address in Canada. Was picked up at the Caracas airport as promised. Flight arrived at 8:30PM. Driven to hotel in an old beat up car. Another guest also arrived on the same flight, so two of us went to hotel close to airport. He went to sleep and I asked and was driven to a local pick-up bar a few yards away from the hotel Tanausu. Picked a nice white girl with shaved pussy and paid about $150 for all night session (until 7:00AM) including DATY and BBBJ.

Next AM to airport to catch flight to Isla Margarita. Met at the airport with driver and one escort, I had mentioned but not booked. Her name is Erika. Pictures on website. When we got to "villa" it was a regular hotel called Tropical Refuse. Their regular rate (incl. all drinks and food) is $28 per person per night. They are three miles from beach. Hotel is ok but it is not a private villa, kids and families playing in the pool. Five girls including Erika lined up. I choose Her and other guest chose Gabriala. I took a shower and she did not. It was 2PM. She said "if fucky-fucky now, no fucky-fucky tonight." So mood was set for disappointment.

Did do missionary style (that is all she would allow). A refrigerator would be more warm than her. Laid there waiting for you to get over. After getting rocks off. Little nap, taxi (no free car) to a beach bar, drinks, dinner (at my expense) back to hotel. Meals were availbale at the hotel though. Another round of Eskimo (cold) sex. She spent most of time talking on cell phone. No kissing, BJ, DATY. Next AM I called Oscar and told him she was worthless. He said no chemistry with the girl and not his fault. I told him I will give $400 more to try one more night with another girl. At 4PM he and driver bring four girls. All in 3-4 range. I take Suly. ALL girls were island style with dark skin and black hair.

She did not have her change of clothes, no swimming stuff and no tooth brush. It was hot but could not go into pool because she had no clothes. Tried doing it in room. She did not brush and did not take shower even though I asked. One can have more active sex with a dead body than her. No BJ and I dare not try DATY. She smelled. Went to beach for drinks, came back to hotel for dinner. At 9:00PM While I was in shower she went to sleep, in her jeans. Next AM at 9:00AM I woke up, went for breakfast and came back to room and told her to get her shoes and take a hike. Oscar's driver came to pick her up and I asked him to drive me to a hotel across the beach. Now I was on my own.

AAV is a sham at the current price. With increased prices, it is an idiot's paradise. Must admit that the guest who had joined me at the airport was happy with Gabriala and stayed on. However this was first time he had left USA and I doubt he ever got laid in USA. Each to his own. Read part two my adventures below. Do not give a dime to AAV. Nothing was as promised.

Part 2. Isla Margarita on my own:

After dumping Oscar and his group of third rate chicas, I cheked into a beachside hotel. Called Hesperia (there is another one on the island. This one is called Hesperia Playa El Aqua). Nice hotel, all inclusive price with all food and alcoholic drinks was $65 single and $92 for two. After pool and beach drinking as part of hotel, enjoyed great hotel meal. At 9:00PM leave hotel and walked to beach area. Follow sound of disco music actross the street. Went to one of the three disco bars. Beers were $1 each and girls to guy ratio was 6:1. Take your pick. Picked up a very nice looking girl, danced for three hours and back to hotel we went. Had her registered at the desk. Hesperia is not chica friendly but there are other nearby hotels.

All nighter of all type of sex. Total GFE. She left at 8AM with promise to return to hotel at 6:PM. No money discussed. In the evening I ran late due to a Jeep Tour. She waited and left. Went to the same bar, met her and after another night of dancing and fucking, we fell asleep. Next AM we had breakfast. I gave her $200 and she was excited. I also gave her a bottle of perfume from the airport shop. Her name was Julia. Can supply picture and may post them here.

Total damage for two nights was $450 (hotel 200, Chica $200 and bar $50). Beats AAV and what a selection of girls. Any questions send me a private message. Read my caracas report in Caracas section. Will post it there tomorrow.

SOME GENERAL OBSERVATIONS:

On the island, credit card and travellers checks are useless except for some hotels. Bring cash and cash only. 98% of the Venezuelan girls wear "uniform" consisting of heavyduty denim jeans, black polyster top (with 100F temp) and platform shoes. Don't expect to see any legs. Ask chica if she has babino-kids. If she does she needs money for sure. If bambino is in town she may be less flexible. If bambino in another city like Caracas, Merida so on, she is flexible to spend night and needs money. Just the right kind. If she starts asking for money up front she is SW. Use her only if no one else is available. There is no shortage. You are guarenteed a lay.

Keep mongering.

I suppose it was merely a matter of time until the concept of the all - inclusive sex resort came to Argentina.

And there it is.

I will say that at least the girls of Estrellas look to be naturally attractive and free of the tons of silicone and pounds of makeup that seem to come attached with most other Buenos Aires escort girls.

In fact, if I weren't completely philosophically against the concept of the all inclusive sex resort, then Jade is someone I think I might want to get to know a little better.

To say nothing of the manager of the place?

oh well, quizas , por suerte in a cafe somewhere.

I have read that there is some anti-american sentiment in Caracas. I was wondering if this exists in Margarita Island also?

Has anybody actually stayed at My Wild Vacation? I just can't see paying that price with the prices in MI being so low for hotel, food, booze and entertainment. I guess if you do not speak spanish and do not want to be bothered going to bars/clubs to pick up women it is worth it. After all you have access to women 24 hrs a day. If anyone has stayed there I would like to hear about this place.

Has anyone been to any of the all inclusive resorts (besides Tasty 1) since May? Any reports on AAV, MyWildVacation, Lust in Paradise, or Venus Tours?

Thanks,

>>Has anyone been to any of the all inclusive resorts (besides Tasty 1) since May? Any reports on AAV, MyWildVacation, Lust in Paradise, or Venus Tours?

Thanks>>

I was at Wild 2 weeks ago for the second time will go back for 3rd time maybe in 2006 . What is Lust in Paradise, and Venus Tours?

Thanks

Guys,

as we have in Holland now very cheap trips to IM I am thinking of going there in february 2005 for 14-18 days. As I have nasty experiences with the socalled "all-in"thing...I will avoid this. Are there any GF-friendly hotels there?? Or even better appartments for to rent at reasonable prices?
I don't like the hussle of going to strange "love-motels"and shit like that.
At the main forums here in the NL the only thing which seems NOT at present is hookers and prostitution. Well I am SURE that there are plenty Ho's there!

btw...anyone can give a good price rate for SW in IM??
I am used to low prices as I am from Holland. In Brasil I paid about 25 US $ for an all nighter (2003).
I also did Colombia last year;but due to my EX-GF i couldn't see any ho's:-( Which I think off now as the most BAD thing NOT to do,because Colombia is crawling with PRETTY ho's!! (and cheap to)

Maybe a long-shot......but what are the odds of finding a "serious"wife there??

Cheers

Johan

The going rate in Margarita Island is $50,000 blolivars. At the black market rate that is about $21usd. This is slightly higher in the strip clubs.

Attached is a link with apartment rentals in the Margarita Island area.

http://www.margaritabiz.com/Vacation_Rentals/page_203864.html

Hola Cubanito,

muchas gracias para las informaciones sobre los apartamentos.

Residencias San Francisco
Porlamar - varios apartamentos de 80M2 de 2 habitaciones más convertible, para 6 personas, piscina, estacionamiento, seguridad, aire acondicionado en habitación principal, otros con ventiladores. Aptos A-10-1, D-2-4, D-3-3, D-3-4, D-4-3, E-2-1.

Temporada alta Bs. 70.000 por noche
Temporada baja Bs. 60.000 por noche
Persona adicional hasta máximo de 8 personas Bs 5.000 c/u por noche.

I guess I will be there in the low season. At the going rate of 2300 Bolo's to one Euro that will be 26 Euro's for a night. A very reasonable price for such a nice appartment.

I wonder if there is 24 hour security in these flats?
Can you bring in girls without problems? I know in Brasil i could:-)

suerte,

Johan

I have never been in these apartments but i believe there is 24 hour security, and being a private rental, girls shouldnt be a problem. Best thing to do is call Douglas Weller, hes got his email on the web page and ask.

There is also a motel in Playa el Agua are called LA RINA...i caters to mongers and its about $5 usd per hour. I used that alot. Most girls know where it is. If not ask a cabbie. Great for shagging but you woundnt want to spend the night.

"THE TRIP FROM FUCKING HELL" 09/02/04 TO 09/06/04

Most of the problems that I encountered where my own damn fault, so I will just pass on the facts, and tell you what really happened at the end of this here report.

Flight from Lax to Caracas: 09/02 Copa out of Lax 01:15 out arrive in Caracas around 14:23. return flight Continental leave Caracas at 10:30 return Lax around 16:00


I booked LAX to CSS thru Continental around $528. For you guys that do not know this Continental owns 49% of Copa, and Copa is one of the best airlines from the west coast to fly down to South America however flying back can be hell if you have a 2 to 6 hour layover in Panama! Sometimes booking thru Continental can save you a few bucks as well FYI!

Day 1: Missed my flight from Css to the Island, get to the Island at 7pm and it is already f---ing dark, and my Chica is no where to be found, fuck me!

Get a taxi to El Aqua 30K, yes I know he got me! Had an apartment set up for $35 U.S. a night and this Gent could not find his ass with both hands already on it. So we drive up and down Agua Bl. trying to find my apartment, hell I almost forgot he had a problem finding Playa El Agua!

I end up at the FLAMBOYANT HOTEL! That's right friends and neighbors a gay hotel! I'm thinking to myself FUCK ME!

As it turned out, gay hotel yes but only 10% guest there where gay, hell who cares. Cost 100,000 all inclusive! Room OK, service OK, food great if your doctor has placed you on a bland diet!

Upon checking in the first thing that I ask my gay host Ramon is there any problem bringing guest back to my room? He looks at me with a big smile and tells me oh no Sir no problem at all!

With that reply, I know he thinks that I'm gay, so I rephrase my question to him! I look in straight in the eyes, and I ask look sweetpea, is ther anyproblems with me bringing a CHICA back to my room, with a disapointing look on his puppy dog face he tells me no problem Sir!

I call my Chica and she informs me that it is to late for her to come over YES!

So I eat take a quick nap, hiot the clubs around 11pm, I hit Woody's for an hour not much action there so I go to the only other club that appears to have some action it it nada! Back to woodys and again nada, back to the other no name club nada, back and forth back and forth FUCK ME!

I end up with some black Chica, with an absolutely kick ass body! So it is back to my no problem with bringing a guest back to my Flamboyant Hotel!

I'm walking behind my Chica just looking at her ass in the lobby and thinking to myself, yes baby The Eagle Has Landed! Wait a minute my gay friend Ramon, informs me that Houston we have a problem here, you must pay $20 U.S. for your guest, FUCK ME, and yes I pay without a fight!

In my room now, guys I mean to tell you kick ass body she did have, but she also had breath that smelled like shit and a pussy to match, FUCK ME! But for $20 U.S. what the hell!

Day 2: My Chica is two f---ing hours late, take her back to my room and she wants to go to the beach, whatever so to the beach we go! Go to the beach, do the et ski thing go to lunch, then she informs me that she has to be at work at 3pm, FUCK ME!

A bull shit ass kiss and she is on her way, but she tells me that she want to meet me tonight at a new club opening with her and her 16 year old sobrino, I tell her OK whatever.

By 10:30 pm I'm in a cab with two Chicas that spent some time in the States and one of them I'm getting along with great, so I ask her lets get together tomorrow, and what does she tell me? She is leaving tomorrow, OK guys say it with me, FUCK ME!

So, I'm at the club ontime and guess who is late, that is right my Chica and her 16 year old nephew and friends.

Inside the club now and what are they playing, nothing but fucking Techno music or whatever the hell they call it!

Skip Skip to the last night hit the beach, took some pics, 2am went down to the Hotel lobby, told them did I needed a cab by 04:30 to take me to the airport! The guy at the desk ask me if I wanted a Chica $150 U.S. for two hours, of course I laughed at him and countered with 100,000 of your B.S. money for an hours!

He makes the call and five minutes later he tells me yes, she will do it for 100,000! Guys she is absolutely bonita 25 year old killer body and great attitude, and it was my last day there, FUCK ME!

Will post pics in a few days!

At least your trip ended in a bang. Couldnt have been that bad. Consider finding a new chica. She doesnt seen like she had alot of time for you.

Did you hit the beach bars on Playa el agua at all? Panare i think its called?

Hola Latina passion,

You certainly got Fucked.....I am with you bro....some nasty story.

That is why I tell everybody to PREPARE...PREPARE before yu go somewere. Learn books,travel guides....and certainly THIS NOBLE BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

But heeee....who said latinas are on time??? hell no. Many of my (ex) girls NEVER were on time...30-60 min late is NORMAL!!!! SO...FUCK ME!!

Who said in big hotels chicas can come in for free??? FORGET IT!! That is why I like renting my OWN APPARTMENT;-)

Anyway that shit ass taxista has played THE trick on you....not "knowing"were your app. is...LOL...sure he knew. He only wanted to get out more on the meter!!!!!!! Fuck him!

I also learned the lalst 2-4 weeks that Venezuela grils are even more "presumida" then Colombians!!!!!!(I am talking about NON-PRO girls here).SO FUCK them!

I don't know Lat. Passion...do you speak any espagnol??
If NOT....LEARN IT....or next time you will get FUCKED again!!!
Another lesson is NEVER show that you realy like a girl....just threatthem like shit...respect them.....but do NOT get to "mi amor....mi cielo"...with them. ;-) Then they will walk behind you like a lovesick puppy!! YAAA Just let them know you have more "fish in your net".....;-)


Sorry man...that you had bad luck. Happens to all of us once in a while. Happend to me too;overpaid hookers....and yes...many times I had to rechange my plans and to IMPROVISE. FUCK ME!

Cheerup.......learn spanish....and next time you will be the one that is fucking them!!!


Love to see your pics coming.



Suerte

Johan

The problem was I went unprepared! It was all my own doing for the most part!

During Labor day Weekend, the fucking place was a fucking ghost town, I mean no action at all, no bull shit 20 chicas to pick from in El Agua, no shit!

I think I forgot to mention that my dumb ass missed my flight back to L.A. so I have to stay the night in CSS at the Best Western. Pague $140 U.S. una noche! FUCK ME!

My spanish in enough to get me by!

I hit the bars and the beach, guys at night two bars open that had any action Woody's and some unknown place, but no fucking action at all! My nephew was there in May of 2004 swears by this place, but the time that I went I guess the slow season!

Johan: Bro your right treat them like they do not matter, and they will be at by back door!

All and All guys a FUCK ME trip, but still better then being in the same state with my soon to be ex puta!

Lima 11/25/04!

I have read several posts regarding AAV and MyWildVacation. I was wondering if anyone has any firsthand knowledge or experience with the Venus Travel Club? Here is their website.

Thanks,

Miguel

[url]http://www.venus-travelclub.com/[/url]

Hi,

It is my understanding that they are in a remote inland hotel where they take rooms only when they have reservations, that the owner is a former client of My Wild Vacation (which I highly recommend) and a full time bartender from England who has tried to copy Wild (except for not being on the beach, having genuine private villas, multiple girls, interesting group outings, etc.)

J Rap,

Your description sounds like you are referring to AAV -- not Venus Travel Club.

I have a trip planned to My Wild Vacation, would like to hear more from anyone who has been. Sounds like good reports from what I can search?

[QUOTE=Just Me Too]I have a trip planned to My Wild Vacation, would like to hear more from anyone who has been. Sounds like good reports from what I can search?[/QUOTE]I've been twice was great, Edie is great!

I'm planning to visit IM next febr. I travelled many time in Asia (thailand, Philippines ....) and Brasil. Where is better to stay in I.M. for nightlife?
how to move to beautiful beach on the day? Is it possible to rent a motorbike?? The best "clubs"?? Where to find freelancers???
thank to everibody help me.

A great place to be in Feb is near Playa el agua. You can get rooms for $30 per night or go to an all inclusive but they are not girl friendly. IF you like the city scene with lots of strip clubs, stay in Porlamar. Lots of cheap hotels and many are girl friendly.

I have a trip planned through My Wild Vacation for the first week in February. They are supposedly having a week of events ending with a Superbowl party on Feb 6. I am hoping it will be a good time. I know I can't wait. Anyone else thinking of coming down then?

Kc Questor,

You picked a great week to travel to Margarita. I was there last year at that time and we had a blast. They celebrate Carnival that week so alot of locals come from the main land to party and most girls come over to make some fast cash from the tourists. Make sure you hit the two beach bars on Playa el agua after 11pm to find some real gems.. Post some pics when you return.

Well just returned from my first trip to S America, and had a great time. I spent two days in Carcas at the Marriot, great hotel, and very chica friendly. I only had time for one girl, but total GFE. Got her through sexycaracas.com, I know there too expensive, but way conveniant. My Spanish is mui um poco, so I just had one of the bell hops make the phone calls. He spoke good english and gave me many tips. Then off to Margarita, stayed at the Dunes resort (free time share) and thought my vacation was going to suck. The resort was far from everything, and guarded like fort knox, but rented a 4x4 and explored the island. after doing some side trips, and flying down into the Amazon for a couple days, I only had time to hunt one night. Went to Plya El Agua, and straight to woodys, but it was dead. I walked down the beach (to the right if looking at woodys from the road) and found a place that was hopping (dont know name). Was there about half a beer (and I drink fast), and spotted a little hottie smiling, went down and met her and her friend (her friend was twice as hot), and a beer and dance later the were in the car, and back to my place. Now I thought I was going to have to do some major tipping to the guard to get them in, if at all, but I pulled up, and he just gives me a big smile and opens the gate. The girls were great, GFEx2, we wer'nt there five minites and they had my camera out and stripping. What a party!

Break down.

Beer- 14,400blv or $7 US a case
Good rum- 10,000blv or $5 US a 5th
Gasoline- 9 cents a gal, I'm serious!
1 Chica in Caraca, 18yrs, pig tails, very fun- 150,000blv or $75 US (I know)
2 Chicas on Margarita, both 22yrs- 200,000blv or $100 for both all night and the next day till 7pm.

Had a great time, and will go back, the girls there were beautiful!!

I'm going to MWV thurs. Should I post the photos here or in the photo Section?

Red Chopper,

I`ve been posting some stuff on the Caracas board and yes, your numbers on prices for goods are just about right!

Beer is freakish cheap down here! I just went to the Vera Cruz Supermercado here in Caracas and bought 4 bottles of Polar Light for 2200 bolivars. Now when you consider that I have been consistely getting 2500 bolivars to 1usd. That makes it something like 22 cents a beer! And that is for a 300 ml size bottle.

I guy could develop a drinking habit real easy down here. ;)

cheers............

I stayed for 4 days in the island [paradise??] called Margarita Island. I couldn't stand the place 4 days was long enough!

This island bills itself as "the carribean island that moves to the latin beat" - I personally didn't see it as moving to anything that I could see. It is a dry lifeles arid, rock that is largely w/o charater or energy. I think it is time that they begin a reclamation project similar to the one they initiated in Curacao and Aruba to plant some palm trees and cut down some of the cactii -because it would improve the beauty of the place. Its inhabitants seem to be comprised of vactioning Venezuelans, and transplanted europeans looking for a cheap place to retire.

After two night of scouring the island loking for real estate I spent my time in the kitchen of the Hotel Kamarata - watching the cook as she seasoned the pork and chicken for the dinner specials.

The one issue that couldn't be denied is that many things on the island are cheap - ie. gas, beer and coffee and fresh pastries at the all night 24 hour pasteleria/panederia in the heart of Porlamar! :)

If you are considering a trip to "the rock" the one piece of advice that I would offer is that you should "go it alone" - and pass on those one stop "executive male travel vacation packages". The thought that someone could be charged upwards of $400 a day for companionship on this inexpensive dump is truly mind-blowing! Try not being lazy - learn some Spanish hit Travelocity or something and go it on your own - I guarantee you'll end up saving....oh about $250 a day or so. ;)

The other thing that makes me laugh is the fact that these services say that they'll pick you up at the airport PMV and drive you directly to their "luxury" hotel is also funny! You would have to be quite the little furry woodland creature for you to be intimidated by this place!! I drove around in downtown Porlamar at about 2am a couple of times and was offered coke, "crack", "crank" and just about everything else you can think of but I never truly felt in danger.

For true life, excitement, energy and a "latin beat" stick to the continente and CCS!

cheers and out......
FORD

Hi guys,

I too read much travel books and infos upon (cheap) travels to IslaM. besides we have in Holland (and Germany too) many forums about Isla margarita. Only bad thing is that you can not mention anything regarding hookers...or you get kicked off the forum. (hahahahahah) Indeed many Europeans (Dutch,Germans,Belgians,British and Scandinavians) go there for a "cheap"holiday. Nothing wrong with that.
The place itself is imho not so pretty at all. Last holiday I was in panama...and trust me this country has much more to offer (regarding nature) then that bare piece of rock they call Isla M!! You can even drink the tapwater in Panama...try that in venezuela and you will get sick.
Sure the gas is dirt cheap!!! Venezuela has plenty of it. Good old senor Chavez even sells it very cheap to his buddy senor Castro;-)

Does anyone have any idea how the inland rates are for airfares in venezuela??? I mean you also could try and hop over from Caracas to Isla M with a plane.

Johan.

There are a number of carriers that fly from Caracas to Porlamar. Flights leave frequently throughout the day, and can usually be purchased the same day. The only times you wouldn't be able to get a flight that day would be major holidays -- Easter, Christmas, Carnaval, etc. The island is PACKED at this time, and flights are hard to get.

Tickets are about US$75 each way.

[QUOTE=KC Questor]There are a number of carriers that fly from Caracas to Porlamar. Flights leave frequently throughout the day, and can usually be purchased the same day. The only times you wouldn't be able to get a flight that day would be major holidays -- Easter, Christmas, Carnaval, etc. The island is PACKED at this time, and flights are hard to get.

Tickets are about US$75 each way.[/QUOTE]

Yes, this is all true. However, as the day wears along the flights get more and more behind schedule. I asked one of the AeroPostal employees and he said that the 5:00 pm flight NEVER leaves on time! My 5:00PM flight left more like 6:20pm.

This is important if you want to go to PMV and you are considering one "long-ass" day to do all your flying. Many people arrive in CCS in just enough time to hit a 5:00 or 6:00pm domestic flight to PMV only to find that it is 1 to 1 1/2 hours behind schedule.

When I arrived in PMV my face was the face of pain and exhaustion. ;)

Johan, I paid $134 roundtrip from CCS to Porlamar.

FORD

[QUOTE=Red Chopper]

Beer- 14,400blv or $7 US a case
Good rum- 10,000blv or $5 US a 5th
Gasoline- 9 cents a gal, I'm serious!
1 Chica in Caraca, 18yrs, pig tails, very fun- 150,000blv or $75 US (I know)
2 Chicas on Margarita, both 22yrs- 200,000blv or $100 for both all night and the next day till 7pm.

[QUOTE]

you paid roughly the going market rate instead of the "tonto" turista rates. The Margarita chicks were a complete steal at that price, they can usually get far more from tourists.. and the CCS girl (was within sexycaracas.com range (last time I checked the average rate was around 120-130 K)

[QUOTE=Ford]Red Chopper,

I`ve been posting some stuff on the Caracas board and yes, your numbers on prices for goods are just about right!

Beer is freakish cheap down here! I just went to the Vera Cruz Supermercado here in Caracas and bought 4 bottles of Polar Light for 2200 bolivars. Now when you consider that I have been consistely getting 2500 bolivars to 1usd. That makes it something like 22 cents a beer! And that is for a 300 ml size bottle.

I guy could develop a drinking habit real easy down here. ;)

cheers............[/QUOTE]

I think Venezuelans are the largest per capita beer consumers/drinkers in Latin America.

and few women on earth beat Polar models.

[QUOTE=Ford]I stayed for 4 days in the island [paradise??] called Margarita Island. I couldn't stand the place 4 days was long enough!

This island bills itself as "the carribean island that moves to the latin beat" - I personally didn't see it as moving to anything that I could see. It is a dry lifeles arid, rock that is largely w/o charater or energy. I think it is time that they begin a reclamation project similar to the one they initiated in Curacao and Aruba to plant some palm trees and cut down some of the cactii -because it would improve the beauty of the place. Its inhabitants seem to be comprised of vactioning Venezuelans, and transplanted europeans looking for a cheap place to retire.

After two night of scouring the island loking for real estate I spent my time in the kitchen of the Hotel Kamarata - watching the cook as she seasoned the pork and chicken for the dinner specials.

The one issue that couldn't be denied is that many things on the island are cheap - ie. gas, beer and coffee and fresh pastries at the all night 24 hour pasteleria/panederia in the heart of Porlamar! :)

If you are considering a trip to "the rock" the one piece of advice that I would offer is that you should "go it alone" - and pass on those one stop "executive male travel vacation packages". The thought that someone could be charged upwards of $400 a day for companionship on this inexpensive dump is truly mind-blowing! Try not being lazy - learn some Spanish hit Travelocity or something and go it on your own - I guarantee you'll end up saving....oh about $250 a day or so. ;)

The other thing that makes me laugh is the fact that these services say that they'll pick you up at the airport PMV and drive you directly to their "luxury" hotel is also funny! You would have to be quite the little furry woodland creature for you to be intimidated by this place!! I drove around in downtown Porlamar at about 2am a couple of times and was offered coke, "crack", "crank" and just about everything else you can think of but I never truly felt in danger.

For true life, excitement, energy and a "latin beat" stick to the continente and CCS!

cheers and out......
FORD[/QUOTE]


very sagacious post.

[QUOTE=Catire]very sagacious post.[/QUOTE]

Wow! Sagacious - that's a $5 word. (lol) ;)
I'll take that as a compliment that I'm being brutally honest.

I think in retrospect, part of my problem was that I received most of my information about this island from a series of very positive articles posted on the website escapeartist.com. This site isn't a monger site (although that topic is addressed there) but rather kind of a "how to" guide on "escaping" from america and restarting you life abroad. (Many senior members of this board have chosen to do the same thing)

The articles gave me the impression that Isla Margarita was a fantasy destination and perhaps one of the true, affordable paradises left on the earth!

I've since come to the realization that the articles were largely written by a bunch of "broken-down" cheap gringos who were so drawn in by the inexpensive prices of things like real estate, beer, gas etc that it obscured their objectivity.

I would sooner donate a kidney than retire on this arid rock! ;)

cheers,
FORD

Escapeartise.com is a site mostly operated by people who want to interest you in getting involved in and or purchasing real estate overseas.

So I take anything written there with a block of salt. Especially these days, when frankly there are very FEW "secrets" out there.

Also anything written there about social environment will tend to reflect what it would be like for someone living there. When living somewhere prices of non pussy related items matter a lot more than pussy prices. Pussy tends to come free.

[QUOTE=Ford]I stayed for 4 days in the island [paradise??] called Margarita Island. I couldn't stand the place 4 days was long enough!

I have been there for 2 weeks and never again
Thailand is the best place.

[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com[/url]
[url]http://www.thailandsexguide.com/pattaya.html[/url]

Best regards Steen 22

Thank you Steen22! You didn't like the place either - good I thought it was only me.

When everybody says a place is "paradise" but you can't wait to get the hell out of there, you start to develop a complex that there's something wrong with YOU. :)

[QUOTE=Birnam25]I have read several posts regarding AAV and MyWildVacation. I was wondering if anyone has any firsthand knowledge or experience with the Venus Travel Club? Here is their website.

Thanks,

Miguel

[url]http://www.venus-travelclub.com/[/url][/QUOTE]This site is down.

Hi Ford,Steen22,

I agree with you guys that isla margarita is your average "cheap" mass turist destination. In such places you can find also many hookers. (that's the good part)The bad part is that the prices will go up...and that crime also will raise.
Some dutch guys told me they never went for an ATM...and took only CASH euros with them!!!!!!!!! (talking about stupid!)

On a dutch forum ([url]http://www.islamargarita-forum.nl[/url]) some people told only good things about Isla M.....however I almost didn't see ANY postings on prostitution. Most people who go there (with all respect) are mommy,daddy and the kids.....
Also the fact that the siland is swarming with all-in resorts doesn't make the average MONGER happy. Because in these joints you almost never can bring in GIRLS:-( Usualy I get suspecious when people ONLY tell good stories about a place. No place is perfect...and certainly Isla M.

Also the arguing about the fact that Isla M was sooooo much cheaper then the mainland i doubt. Only the gas is realy cheap there. (about 12 euros cents a liter!!)
IF you compare prices on isla M with DR,Brasil or Panama I do NOT think Isla M is THAT cheap.
Last but not least the hookers......I am convinced if you speak spanish and look half way decent you can get laid for half the price you pay in ISLA M on the mainland...and maybe in some areas even CHEAPER!!

Even the fly away tax on the airport seems to be 40 euros....!!! which is not realy cheap imho.

I just hate those bloody package tours (being a single male)...but that is the only way the get there...unless you want to buy a more expensive ticket (fe with Iberia) to caracas...and then fly to isla M with an inland flight.

Thailand indeed is much cheaper then venezuela....for sure. But one thing thailand doesn't have........LATINAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most of those women are so much fun......their dancing and great sex (most of the times) is just unbeatable. Other fact is that I speak decent spanish and can communicate with a latina. Try THAT in thailand.....unless of course IF your lady speaks english (which seems to be quite rare outside turist areas) OR YOU speak Thai. Which I don't.
Also the famous ass of the latina woman is kind of a candy for me....nice juicy big round ass.....:-) Thai women are in general very small....skinny and have no ass at al.(imho)

Sorry Steen22.....i am kindda hooked on latinas. Thai women don't ring my bell. That is the reason why i don't go to Thailand;-)

To each his own.


Johan.

Hi Johan,
I answered your pm. Lots of helpful info there for you. If you need anything else let me know.
FORD

Guys,Ford,

Ford: Ok will do that...thanks man.

I booked my trip...I fly 26 sept...have to get back on the 12th October.
I fly in with martinair from Amsterdam...we have a stop over in Tobago.
Flight will be about 9 hours..which is pretty short if you are coming from Europe:-)
I am thinking of also going a day or 5-6 to caracas or Maracaibo. Maybe also nearby Cumana is worth a trip?

If any of you guys would like to hook up...give me a pm.
I speak decent spanish,so contacting any girls would be not a problem.

My favorite area will be porlarmar itself...close to all the "action"...;-)
Palya el Agua seems very crowed and full of package turists;so i will try to avoid this area.

cheers,

Johan

Anyone hear any news about an all-inclusive resort on Margarita being raided for drugs? I don't want to start any rumors so I won't name the place, but a friend tells me that one of the adult all-inclusives was shut down and the proprietors were arrested (along with a guest).

I'd love to get confirmation, as I know two people scheduled to visit in July.

KCQ

KC,

with all respect...but were many Dutch are there is a great possibility of the presence of drugs. (mainly marijuana and/or XTC) Sometimes i am asshamed to be Dutch...everywere we go civil servants,police men and especialy border guards will treat us with the most availeble "care".....JUST because we're DUTCH and they think we are smuggling Drugs. In 2003 on Brussels airport (when returning from Colombia) I was harrassed 3(!!) times for a full search by Belgian border customs:-( The guy thought it was "strange"me being Dutch....traveling to Colombia via an belgian airport. When i told him that Brussels airport was much closer to my hometown (I live in the south of my country) then Amsterdam was,and the fact that the tickets also were a lot cheaper the guy didn't had much to say;-)Offcourse ALL my souvenirs were carefully checked,just in case.

And this was NOT the only time I got harrased because I was Dutch.Total Bullshit offcourse.....I also know many other people from other countries do drug trafficing. But Dutch...and also Colombians have a BAD rep on this matter. That is WHY Colombians have such a HAD time getting a visa for the netherlands.....which (IMHO) almost is impossible. Last year I had to wait 8 MONTHS (and paid a lot of money on laywers)just for a damn turist visa (30 days valid) for my Colombian ex-amiga!!!!!!

It is well known to venezuelan authorities that (together with Caracas) Isla Margarita is a main drugs shipping/trafficing area.
I can tell you that right now more then 150 (!!) Dutch persons are in prison in Venezuela JUST for DRUGS.
The thing is (and i am NOT a racist nore do I want to sound like one) that most DUTCH people who traffic drugs are born and raised on the Dutch Antilles or Suriname.;-) Just think that the Dutch Antilles are about 100 km out of the coast from Venezuela.

In South-America I will stay FAR AWAY from people who offer me drugs or other illegal things. In Colombia that happened several times. Just walk away and do NOT get into their offers. If you DO....you can get yourself in a world of DEEP SHIT.

Johan.


PS: I am DUTCH myself. My country is the Number ONE producer for XTC and marijuana in Europe.



[QUOTE=KC Questor]Anyone hear any news about an all-inclusive resort on Margarita being raided for drugs? I don't want to start any rumors so I won't name the place, but a friend tells me that one of the adult all-inclusives was shut down and the proprietors were arrested (along with a guest).

I'd love to get confirmation, as I know two people scheduled to visit in July.

KCQ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johan007]KC,

With all respect, but were many Dutch are there is a great possibility of the presence of drugs. (mainly marijuana and/or XTC) Sometimes i am asshamed to be Dutch. Everywere we go civil servants, police men and especialy border guards will treat us with the most availeble "care". JUST because we're DUTCH and they think we are smuggling Drugs. In 2003 on Brussels airport (when returning from Colombia) I was harrassed 3(!!) times for a full search by Belgian border customs:-( The guy thought it was "strange"me being Dutch, traveling to Colombia via an belgian airport. When i told him that Brussels airport was much closer to my hometown (I live in the south of my country) then Amsterdam was,and the fact that the tickets also were a lot cheaper the guy didn't had much to say;-) Of course ALL my souvenirs were carefully checked, just in case.

And this was NOT the only time I got harrased because I was Dutch. Total Bullshit offcourse. I also know many other people from other countries do drug trafficing. But Dutch, and also Colombians have a BAD rep on this matter. That is WHY Colombians have such a HAD time getting a visa for the Netherlands, which (IMHO) almost is impossible. Last year I had to wait 8 MONTHS (and paid a lot of money on laywers)just for a damn turist visa (30 days valid) for my Colombian ex-amiga!

It is well known to venezuelan authorities that (together with Caracas) Isla Margarita is a main drugs shipping/trafficing area.

I can tell you that right now more then 150 Dutch persons are in prison in Venezuela JUST for DRUGS.

The thing is (and i am NOT a racist nore do I want to sound like one) that most DUTCH people who traffic drugs are born and raised on the Dutch Antilles or Suriname.;-) Just think that the Dutch Antilles are about 100 km out of the coast from Venezuela.

In South-America I will stay FAR AWAY from people who offer me drugs or other illegal things. In Colombia that happened several times. Just walk away and do NOT get into their offers. If you DO, you can get yourself in a world of DEEP SHIT.

Johan.

PS: I am DUTCH myself. My country is the Number ONE producer for XTC and marijuana in Europe.[/QUOTE]Most of the guests are from USA or Canada.

Hi guys,

I will be arriving in Caracas on the 23rd of June at rounf 10pm. My main question is are there any flights that leave to la isla at this time? and should i look online even though its kind of too late?

My other main question :-) how much is the going rate for hotties 8-10's going for hourly and also for a night? i have read the last 5 pages in this forum and nada, just confusion.

Where do i find these girls at? I have been to Buenos Aires and towns like Monterrey MX where they have clubs full of chicas at good prices, does such a place exist in la isla? As i said earlier I have searched and found nothing so far in this forum, HELP please guys.

Also any hotel recommendations? thanks alot!!!

Magic:

Isla M is a rather small place and don't expect fuck clubs. However on island there are many disco type places where girls are hanging out and available. Not all are p4p. 10PM is not a good time to catch a flight because on Isla it may be too late to get to your hotel. Spend overnight in Caracas, get refreshed and order room service of a chica to clean your pipes.

Thanks for the advice tasty, I found Margarita to be a way overpriced place for pussy. First of all their are "fuck clubs" but they start at around 150,000 bolivares which isnt too bad really it depends on the club. Their were about 5 clubs in which i personally went to, some of the girls where hot and some not and of course the hotter ones wanted more cash money.

It seems the concept of banging strippers at these clubs is new as when i chose a girl to bang, the bouncer had to run to a pharmacy to get some condoms, I forget the naem fo the place but it was one fo the more higher end clubs, I paid 180,000 plus a 50,000 tip to the girl who at first only offered a handy I guess you have to negogiate.

Overall my advice for fellow mongers is to book in advance to stay in the good areas such as agua beach, as I went without a hotel and was forced to get a crappy 5 star hotel out in the middle of nowhere, which forced me to rent out a taxi for 100,000 from 7pm to 1am which was alright as i met cool guy who went to the titty bars with me. The titty bars open late qround 10 pm with 1 or 2 dancers but as the nite goes more chics show up. All in all it was a good trip for a young guy to get to know la isla but its no buenos aires or even caracas. I will post a review on caracas in the caracas board, I hope i helped some guys out as I was surely lacking info when i went, drop me a message if i can help you guys out any.

I just came across this place, erotic-vacations.com. It presents as an all-inclusive resort with different women every day for a week, all one price. Has anyone had any experience with them? Thanks!

Doc:

Read earlier reports. They change names and go about ripping people off. Run like hell. I had first hand experience with them. Worst vacation and mongering I had. What they tell you and what it is is two different things.

Thanks Tasty. Sorry to hear about your experience. That's a long way to go for a bad time. I'll definitely pass on it now!

Tasty,

Are you sure you aren't thinking of [url]http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/[/url] (also known as AAV.com)? AAV is well known for being a ripoff. The biggest complaint that I have heard is that the hotel is an ordinary hotel, so you are there with your girl among families and tourists.

Total Satisfaction is a different place, and from everything I have heard they are a decent place of their kind. They are much more expensive than a freelance traveler will pay, but package deals are like that. Same goes for [url]http://mywildvacation.com[/url]. Both places are their own property, so you are there with other guys who are on the same plan.

From my experience with MWV, they have been very honest in their dealings. The girls are independent contractors and vary wildly from week to week, but it isn't a ripoff by any means (except from the point of view that you are paying $400 a day for what an experienced monger can get for $200). I would have no problems recommending MWV or Total Satisfaction for a guy who wants a relaxing erotic vacation with 24 hour escorts and is willing to pay a bit for the convenience of not needing to go hunting.

KCQ

KC:

Sorry, my experience was with AAV. A total ripoff. I stand corrected. However AAV left such a bad taste in my mouth (pun intended) that I will be afraid to try any similar agency in Isla.

So, I'm still confused. Does anyone know about the place I asked about: erotic-vacations.com?

Thanks!

Sorry to confuse you, man. [url]http://erotic-vacations.com[/url] is one Web address for Total Satisfaction UK, a resort on Margarita Island, Venezuela.

I know of three full-service adult vacation companies on Margarita. All three of them are priced about the same. They include a room, all meals, beer and "well"-type drinks, standard amenities, and 24-hour companionship with an escort of your choice. At all three places you can change girls every day, or stay with the same girl for multiple days. The price includes sex -- up to the girl how much sex, but the standard is 2-3 times in a day.

AFFORDABLE ADULT VACATIONS ([url]http://a-a-v.com/[/url]) -- They have been in business the longest but have the worst reputation. They used to be OK but had a management change a few years ago and since then have had nothing but bad reviews. I know of one person who has been there and returned. Everyone else I know who has visited has said it is a ripoff. The property is a working hotel, with guests who are not partaking in the hobby. I've heard that the management will promise anything to get you to come, and very rarely deliver.

MY WILD VACATION ([url]http://mywildvacation.com[/url]) -- The owner of MWV, Thomas, used to be involved with AAV but split from them a while back. MWV is situated right on one of the best beaches on the Island, Playa el Agua. You literally walk out the door of the compound onto the sand. The villa is made of three buildings surrounding a central courtyard. Each building houses 2-3 bedrooms. It is small, with space for only 7 or so guests, and very cozy. It is really like staying with a family. It is a pretty laid back and friendly place. The guests will often go out together and there is a party most nights with dancing and strip shows lasting to the very wee hours of the morning. Meals are served family style (no menus). Also, note that only two of the rooms have private baths -- the other bedrooms have shared baths. They have a very good return rate (above 50%) and they really try to make sure you have a good time. MWV's rates include an excursion, which would cost extra at the other places.

TOTAL SATISFACTION ([url]http://erotic-vacations.com[/url]) -- This resort is run by Paul, a former guest at MWV. The property is more like a hotel than MWV. It is not on the beach, but a cab ride to a number of good beaches is pretty cheap. Every room has a private bath and a television (as if anyone would want to watch TV). I have not been there, but my understanding is that it is a bit more quiet than MWV. The guests mostly stay to themselves (with their dates), and there aren't parties until 3am. They claim to have an 80% annual return rate, but they claimed that even when they had only been open for 6 months so I am a bit skeptical. Still, I would have absolutely no problem recommending this place for the gentleman who wanted an erotic vacation with latin lovelies.

All three places are going to be much more expensive than getting a hotel and picking up girls on your own. Even on Margarita (more expensive than Caracas), you could get a girl for a full day for $200 or less. And with all-inclusive hotels on the island in the $50 range, you are definitely paying a premium for these erotic resorts. The convenience is nice, as is the company.

Feel free to PM me for more information.

KC - Thank you so much for that detailed explanation. I think I've been around long enough that I can go it alone. Thanks again!

Does anyone have experience posting an ad in the Margarita paper to find local girls? I think it was called "Sol de Margarita" but I'm not sure.

I am either going to Cartagena or back to Margarita this January and if I go to Margarita I'd like to try to newspaper ad idea. I guess I would need a box somewhere to get mail, I'm not sure if the paper could do that since I'd like to run the ad a couple of weeks before heading down there.

Any info appreciated.

Thanks,

Methos

See in the messageboard of AAV some reports that are trips to hell. I've been to MWV 3 times and trying Total Satisfaction in May?

Anybody been to 2 or all 3 of theses resorts have comments and comparisons?

When we head to Isla Margarita should we stay in Porlamar or The Playa el agua area? We are a group of 4, ages 23-26 who like a mix of the pro and non-pro scene and with lots of chicas and action around to see but also a good beach area to hang out around...

Hi Atlantas Finest,

I've enjoyed your pm's but I figure if I answer your questions here on the board maybe someone else will get some benefit out of it.

As I mentioned the Hilton is my favorite hotel on the island, they offer beautiful 1st class accomodations and is near everything. Unless you have a "hook" however, they're going to hit you for around $130 a night.

I think the best choice is the Hotel Kamarta. Located at [url]www.hotelkamarata.com[/url] - it is a truly remarkable value for the price. It offers 42 stylish rooms, balconies, great pool, great little restaurant, great grounds with (caged parrots) :) and it is centrally located near Senor Frogs and the action. They also have onsite parking. The price for a roomy studio w/ balcony is only about $35 a night.

Worth checking out.

cheers......

Knowing Ford why am I asking this question buuuttt... Is the hotel absolutely Girl Friendly?

As you guys are talking about "point and clic" erotic vacations, if you are looking for Venezulean or Russian beauties and are not put off by $1,000.00 a day, you might want to consider [url]www.cat69.com[/url] in the Dominican Republic. I have friends that rave about it, but it is to pricey for my blood. Generally the guy's that stay here are the type to drop $5,000-$10,000 a night on a craps table.

LB

Why not just include your email address in the newspaper ad? That way you eliminate the need for a box, and you make it way easier for the chicas to respond.
As for deciding between La Isla and Cartagena, you're paying a premium for a hamburger (Margarita), when you could be eating filet mignon for a discount (Cartagena).
But, don't get me wrong, a hamburger is still good compared to not eating...

Has anybody used an escort for over night and if so what was the cost?

[QUOTE=Atlantas Finest]Knowing Ford why am I asking this question buuuttt... Is the hotel absolutely Girl Friendly?[/QUOTE]

Funny Stuff!

When you enter the Hotel Kamarata there is a huge sign (honest) hanging right behind the counter that reads "Hotel rooms are for the occupancy of registered guests ONLY - absoulutely no other guests are permitted in rooms. No exceptions."

Before I checked in I asked him about the house rules and specifically about the sign. He said "Don't worry about that sign, we just put it up to appease the local officials. It doesn't mean anything bring in whoever you want."

Every night I walked past the front desk (and the sign) with girl after girl and the desk clerk just smiled and waved me thru. :)

If the sign is still up maybe you can get a few pictures of some of the girls you bring back standing in front of it! (lol) :D

FORD

[QUOTE=KC Questor]All three places are going to be much more expensive than getting a hotel and picking up girls on your own. Even on Margarita (more expensive than Caracas), you could get a girl for a full day for $200 or less. And with all-inclusive hotels on the island in the $50 range, you are definitely paying a premium for these erotic resorts. The convenience is nice, as is the company.[/QUOTE]Did the Total Satisfaction thing earlier this summer and I'll say that the nice thing about places like these are that they really treat you like rock stars. The girls have a lot of incentive to have one of the clients pick them so they are very playful and flirtatious. In fact, playing "hard to get" had some incredible results.

Definitely convienient for those that don't speak spanish and therefore would have trouble hooking-up at a local place.

Cool! Just wanted to check..how far in walking distance is the actual beach area from Hotel Kamarta and is their a Detailed Map for Playa Agua and Isla Margarita available?

[QUOTE=Ford]Funny Stuff!

When you enter the Hotel Kamarata there is a huge sign (honest) hanging right behind the counter that reads "Hotel rooms are for the occupancy of registered guests ONLY - absoulutely no other guests are permitted in rooms. No exceptions."

Before I checked in I asked him about the house rules and specifically about the sign. He said "Don't worry about that sign, we just put it up to appease the local officials. It doesn't mean anything bring in whoever you want."

Every night I walked past the front desk (and the sign) with girl after girl and the desk clerk just smiled and waved me thru. :)

If the sign is still up maybe you can get a few pictures of some of the girls you bring back standing in front of it! (lol) :D

FORD[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Atlantas Finest]Cool! Just wanted to check..how far in walking distance is the actual beach area from Hotel Kamarta and is their a Detailed Map for Playa Agua and Isla Margarita available?[/QUOTE]

.....as I remember, the Hotel Kamarata is on Avenida Bolivar in the Costa Azul section of Porlamar it is probably no more than 5 minutes to the Hilton.

The area that these hotels are in - the primary beach is Playa Moreno , they are close and in the southeast corner of the island.

The most impressive beach on the island is Playa Agua and Playa Parguito which are in the northeast portion of the island about 40 kilometers away.

FORD

Playa Moreno or Playa Agua or Playa Parguito? That would offer maximum nightlife and an abundance of chicas and beautiful beaches... Which area can ime and my amigos get the best of both worlds?

[QUOTE=Ford].....as I remember, the Hotel Kamarata is on Avenida Bolivar in the Costa Azul section of Porlamar it is probably no more than 5 minutes to the Hilton.

The area that these hotels are in - the primary beach is Playa Moreno , they are close and in the southeast corner of the island.

The most impressive beach on the island is Playa Agua and Playa Parguito which are in the northeast portion of the island about 40 kilometers away.

FORD[/QUOTE]

Hello,

Anyone have any direct experience with Total Satisfaction? I am thinking of going down in January. Many thanks...

Rockhunter

Thanks for the suggestion - an email address is a much better idea. The Sol de Margarita (paper) doesn't have an online ad submission so I guess I'll have to wait till I get there to place an ad. My Spanish isn't good enough to try to place an ad over the phone.

I'm going to look for a last minute deal to Cartagena in Feb or March if I can fit it into my budget, I should still have one weeks vacation left by then.

Atlantas Finest

As to which area to stay in: I was there for 2 weeks last winter and I stayed in Porlamar not far from the Hilton. I would much rather be in the Playa El Agua area for the fantastic beach. There are several beach bars there too. I rented a scooter last year so I was only there during daylight hours but I heard there is some action at night. Playa Parquito is a nice beach but there didn't seem to be too much else around it. Since it sounds like you're going air only, why don't you just look around and figure it out when you're there.

Methos

Can anybody recommend a girlfriendly hotel or resort with a nice swimming pool in Playa el Agua? If possible it should be in heart of action where discos, nightclubs or bargirls are.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Onkelspitzz]Can anybody recommend a girlfriendly hotel or resort with a nice swimming pool in Playa el Agua? If possible it should be in heart of action where discos, nightclubs or bargirls are.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Hey fellas... I was looking for the same type of information its going to be me and 5 of my buddies down there march 2nd-march 5th, anyone with good info on playa el agua gf friendly hotels or accomodations and the overall scene down there please share your info. Thanks! if I don't find out anything quick I might have to take methos' advice and search for something upon arrival...I hope not! Also anyone with info on boat rentals on isla margarita I'd apreciate it!

[QUOTE=Atlantas Finest]Hey fellas... I was looking for the same type of information its going to be me and 5 of my buddies down there march 2nd-march 5th, anyone with good info on playa el agua gf friendly hotels or accomodations and the overall scene down there please share your info. Thanks! if I don't find out anything quick I might have to take methos' advice and search for something upon arrival...I hope not! Also anyone with info on boat rentals on isla margarita I'd apreciate it![/QUOTE]I don't have any more information (yet), but if you post your boat question here:

[url]http://www.margaritaislandguide.com/phpbb/index.php[/url]

you should be able to get an answer.

Methos

[QUOTE=Rockhunter]Hello,

Anyone have any direct experience with Total Satisfaction? I am thinking of going down in January. Many thanks...

Rockhunter[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was there in June 2005 and loved it. Check out their website forum under the Testimonials section for past-guests' experiences.

[url]http://www.eroticadultvacation.com/[/url]

Does anybody have an update of the situation in Porlamar these days.

Guys:
This is all I could find on Isla Margarita:

The list needs your help to fill in the blanks?


Flights: Aeropostal, US$134. round trip from Caracas.[url]http://www.aeropostal.com/aero2004/english/home.asp[/url]
Ferry: [url]http://www.conferry.com/tarifas_xml.asp?ruta=PLC-PDP-PLC&fecha=11-14-2004[/url]

Porlamar:
Strip Clubs:
Goldfingers, Avenida 4 de Mayo,
Gentleman’s Club, B$120,000, Avenida 4 de Mayo,
Ruby’s, B$80,000, Avenida 4 de Mayo,
Texas Gold, Avenida 4 de Mayo,
Revolution, B$110,000 +or-
Tascas,
Jumbo,
Morrisons,

Bars:
American Bar, near Plaza Bolivar, B$85,000.

Disco/Bars: Someone said there were 3, but gave no names and addresses?
1.
2.
3.

Hotels:
Hotel Le Parc,
Hotel Kamarata, Avenida Bolivar, Costa Azul. US$35. Tel: 262-4311, Fax: 262-0955. Email: [email]hotelkamarata@telcel.net.ve[/email]. Located at [url]www.hotelkamarata.com[/url] Not Chica friendly!

Playa El Agua:
Woody’s Bar,
Beach Bar Panare,
Non Pro? Bars in the area, B$50,000

Hotels:
Hesperia Not Chica friendly, but La Rina close by is $5 per hour

Big Bucks Sex Clubs:
AAV [url]http://a-a-v.com/[/url] Villa Tropical Refuse, $28 for the room and food, Has 5 Girls for US$3-4 Hundred.
[url]http://erotic-vacations.com[/url]
[url]www.mywildvacation.com[/url]

WT69

arriving in Caracas on Tuesday, Jan 17 with girlfriend for a week in Venezuela. Wanted to visit Isla for a couple of days, then Caracas. Anybody know the price of flights from Car to Isla? how often do they fly and what is the airline name.

Anyplace to recommend for a hotel on Isla? My lady heard that it is cheaper in Ven. in January than Cartagena. Anybody compare the prices?

thanks, PM me if you like.

Here is something.

Flights: Aeropostal, US$134. round trip from Caracas.[url]http://www.aeropostal.com/aero2004/english/home.asp[/url]

Recommended Sea/view Lodging, US$22-26 per person. Hotel Casa Rita, Playa El Yaque, ,011-58-295-263-6553, [url]http://www.casarita.com[/url]

WT69


[QUOTE=Ngp477]arriving in Caracas on Tuesday, Jan 17 with girlfriend for a week in Venezuela. Wanted to visit Isla for a couple of days, then Caracas. Anybody know the price of flights from Car to Isla? how often do they fly and what is the airline name.

Anyplace to recommend for a hotel on Isla? My lady heard that it is cheaper in Ven. in January than Cartagena. Anybody compare the prices?

thanks, PM me if you like.[/QUOTE]

To Ngp477 and all others consider The Hotel Kamarata.

I don't have a website handy, but you can find it in most search engines.

The Hotel Kamarata is in a good location (near senor Frog's) is very attractively priced and has nice pool, nice grounds, nice restaurant and decent sized baconies. The rooms are all of a pretty good size and have electric heated showers.

It is stylish enough to bring your girlfriend or gfe and agreeable enough in its policy to bring whoever you pick up at Senor Frogs or in a bar.

I was there in July. :)

cheers...........

thanks, men! I made reservations on Aeropostale to Isla

unfortunately my emails to Hotel Kamarata are being returned undeliverable. Has anyone been there recently? thanks.

[QUOTE=Ford]To Ngp477 and all others consider The Hotel Kamarata.

I don't have a website handy, but you can find it in most search engines.

Scroll down to 01-07-06 report from WorldTravel69

He mentioned a link to Kamarata hotel in his report.

Ok fellas, Me and my friends are trying to stay in Porlamar proper Thursday March 2nd before we head to our Playa El Agua Accomodations the next 2 days Friday and Saturday. The Hotel Kamarata is booked solid on that thursday is there any other reccomendations you gentlemen could suggest that is located close to the action, clubs, bars and chicas in the "Belle Vista" district? It's going to be 4 of us. Please let me know. Thanks!

Out of these 3 choices in Isla Margarita (Beach Area)

[url]http://www.castilloblanco.de/heng.htm[/url] - Playa El Agua (Owner told ne 10 minute walk to the beach)

[url]http://www.margaritainns.com/About.html[/url] - El Tirano Beach Area

[url]http://www.villa-caboblanco.com/html/english.html[/url]

Please suggest which would be better by PM or better yet by leaving the info for all members and lurkers to see! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Atlantas Finest]Ok fellas, Me and my friends are trying to stay in Porlamar proper Thursday March 2nd before we head to our Playa El Agua Accomodations the next 2 days Friday and Saturday. The Hotel Kamarata is booked solid on that thursday is there any other reccomendations you gentlemen could suggest that is located close to the action, clubs, bars and chicas in the "Belle Vista" district? It's going to be 4 of us. Please let me know. Thanks![/QUOTE]

Hotel Imperial or Maria Luisa should be okay. You can check them on tripadvisor. Don't know if Hotel Tamaca beetween them still exsists. All 3 hotels almost right on the beach in Porlamar.

PS.
Remember to give us a trip report when you are comming back.

Thanks Vagabond...now does anyone have any info on the 3 beach accomodations I listed below?

[QUOTE=Atlantas Finest]Out of these 3 choices in Isla Margarita (Beach Area)

[url]http://www.castilloblanco.de/heng.htm[/url] - Playa El Agua (Owner told ne 10 minute walk to the beach)

[url]http://www.margaritainns.com/About.html[/url] - El Tirano Beach Area

[url]http://www.villa-caboblanco.com/html/english.html[/url]

Please suggest which would be better by PM or better yet by leaving the info for all members and lurkers to see! Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Last nite I found a cute little place called Tamaca restaurant (near Hotel Maria Luisa). Its a restaurant cum bar cum billiards place cum love hotel. After ordering a drink and sitting for about a half hour, a couple of chicas approached the bar and one came over to me. Sada was her name and she said something about a 'gift', I knew what she meant.

It turns out the hotel in the back is a short time place. Sada wanted 60,000 BS, plus 10,000 for the hotel. She gave me a good tongue job on my balls and shaft but the chupa part was half ass. She tried jacking me off for awhile, finally I called it a nite.

This place had 5-6 girls working out of it. A friendly place to have a drink and chica.

OUT

What kind of jobs do you have that enables you to travel a lot or gives you the freedom to travel a lot?

To St Pradiohead -- for myself, I retired early and have been having a ball traveling to Latin and South America every so often.

bayboy

Did not retire early enough. Only been to 65 Countries.
So Work and Save, work and save. Better yet, buy a house cheap and sell or use the equity, like me.
WT69

[QUOTE=StPradioHead]What kind of jobs do you have that enables you to travel a lot or gives you the freedom to travel a lot?[/QUOTE]

St Pradiohead
Getting a job on a cruise ship is a great way, free travel.

Hi Guys,

I am planning a nice holiday in hte beautiful Isla Margarita, i need some info, could someone help me?

1- I am thinking to go during August, Is this a good month or not?
2- I have read that during August the action is very low (girls, pubs etc..)
3- It is better to stay in a Hotel (all inclusive package) or in an privat apartment?
4- Someone say thta Venezuela in the last years It was very dangerous (due to the Chevez government), it still true also for Isla MArgherita?

Thanks in advanced to all

Bye,

Hornet

I'm doing a Caribbean run. Anyone on I'm looking to meet for beers?

Mid-May.

I have a problem of not being able to listen to others well. It led me to disregard some good posters here and fly to Margarita Island. Error.

First of all it is literally without people. About two months I am told. If you ever wanted to be the only male in a strip club, here you should come.

Good: free wifi in sambil mall and woody's. some chicks aren't ugly. it is cheap to live.

Bad: everything else. The place is desolate. Porlamar ugly as hell. El Agua looks ok, but is only an average beach. This part of the world has hundreds like it and many better.

Goldfingers and one other bar (starts with a C and has been mentioned here) look ok, but no one was in them. Woody's could be fun, but no one is there.

The local expat scene are the real degenerate type. As Ford stated, those who are here picked it purely since it is the cheapest place one can find.

I am out of here. Can't even make the four days Ford did.

Maybe the next guy to read this will heed the advice. Head elsewhere.
Perhaps during high season it would be better. Still the place is dry, ugly, devoid of charm and I've set the alarm to make an early flight out.

I haven't heard this one mentioned yet. I believe it is new. They have a website at [url]www.morrisonmargarita.8k.com[/url]

Ok shows and very hot chicas. Extremely high mileage but YMMV. $20 asking price for dances which seem to have little beginning or end, and very few restrictions.

The only thumbs up I can give to this rock.

Calle Tubores entre Campos y Fermin. Porlamar
Tel: (0058)(0295)263.60.49
Cel. 0414.180.45.38

I posted this in the Curacao section and was directed here. Hope someone has some knowledge on the local pussy in Margarita, Playa el Agua Beach. Thanks.

Isla El Margarita

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sorry guys this is a different place but there is no where else to ask the question.

There are a set of islands just East of the abc's, Aruba, Bonaire & Curacao. Its called the Islands of Margarita off the Venezualan coast. Does anybody have any mongering information about this island.

The town you fly into is called Porlamar and the beach to go to is Playa el Agua. As of now I can only find information about flying into there through Caracas, which is ok, its only $100 usd round trip.

They have scuba diving there I am just wondering if anyone knows anything about muff diving in Playa el Agua. I did read on one info page there might be some local working girls hanging out at the clubs. I know there is probably no Brothels or Strip Clubs and thats not a problem.

I am curious if there is any local action as I found in Roatan Honduras. Any help is apprecitated thanks.

LK

[QUOTE=Lion Killer]They have scuba diving there I am just wondering if anyone knows anything about muff diving in Playa el Agua. I did read on one info page there might be some local working girls hanging out at the clubs. I know there is probably no Brothels or Strip Clubs and thats not a problem.[/QUOTE]Playa el Agua (and most of Margarita in general) is absolutely dead this time of the year. At night, most beach bars / restaurants at Playa el Agua close by 7pm.

Even for scuba, other beaches around the island might be better since at el Agua there are some rough waves and strong undertow. You'd want to take a boat to some of the smaller islands around for good diving.

I am currently in the Philippines but am planning to go Isla Margarita at the end of this month with my novia from Colombia.

I am just wondering whether anyone has gone to the Lagunamar Resort before. If so, any comments on it, plus what type of nightlife can one currently have at the island, especially Porlamar.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Sun Devil]I am currently in the Philippines but am planning to go Isla Margarita at the end of this month with my novia from Colombia.

I am just wondering whether anyone has gone to the Lagunamar Resort before. If so, any comments on it, plus what type of nightlife can one currently have at the island, especially Porlamar.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Lot's of margarita tourist info on this board - [url]http://www.margaritaislandguide.com/phpbb/index.php[/url]

No mongering info - but you can find out about the Lagunamar.

I stayed at the Golden Paradise in Playa El Aqua in January. Nice beach, not much in the way of working girls. Ran into one girl on the beach one day and managed to get her into my hotel for an hour in the afternoon. Not a good experience, she was pretty useless.

You can also get info from this site.
[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ForumHome[/url]
and this one
[url]http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Sun Devil]I am currently in the Philippines but am planning to go Isla Margarita at the end of this month with my novia from Colombia.

I am just wondering whether anyone has gone to the Lagunamar Resort before. If so, any comments on it, plus what type of nightlife can one currently have at the island, especially Porlamar.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Any info on chica friendly hotel in or near Porlamar would be appreciated. No sex clubs please.

The same people that have the sexycaracas page now have a page dedicated to isla margarita and the surrounding areas.

[url]www.sexyelpuerto.com[/url]

Looking for escorts that page is a good option.

That's all for now

Try this one, we stayed there.

Hotel Maria Luisa, Avenida Raul Leoni, 61,000, Pool, Tel: 263 6737 / 7940, Fax: 261 0564.
[email]hotmarlu@telcel.net[/email], [url]http://www.hotelmarialuisa.com.ve/Main_ingl.htm[/url]

Down the block is a restaurant-hotel Tamaca, that Chicas hang out in. They have rooms you can use with one of Chicas.


[QUOTE=Puerto La Cruz]Any info on chica friendly hotel in or near Porlamar would be appreciated. No sex clubs please.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=World Travel 69]Try this one, we stayed there.

Hotel Maria Luisa, Avenida Raul Leoni, 61,000, Pool, Tel: 263 6737 / 7940, Fax: 261 0564.
[email]hotmarlu@telcel.net[/email], [url]http://www.hotelmarialuisa.com.ve/Main_ingl.htm[/url]

Down the block is a restaurant-hotel Tamaca, that Chicas hang out in. They have rooms you can use with one of Chicas.[/QUOTE]Yes, Hotel Maria Luisa is indeed chica friendly? If not, why not stay down the street at Tamaca? WT69, your input on these two places would be appreciated. Gracias.

I am not sure, because we went next door did our thing and left. I am almost sure though. I think there was a fee for guests. Read other posts, I believe someone mentioned that it was.
A good thing is that it across the street from the beach.
The Tamaca is very small and no pool. It is run by a German or Austrian couple. The food is good.


[QUOTE=Puerto La Cruz]Yes, Hotel Maria Luisa is indeed chica friendly? If not, why not stay down the street at Tamaca? WT69, your input on these two places would be appreciated. Gracias.[/QUOTE]

Forget the Chica Friendly Hotels. Go Short time.
Try American Bar, Avenida Miranda 12-56 and Calle Marcano. Two blocks from Plaza Bolivar, 85,000. Rooms in the back, opens at 9:30 pm. Let me Know!!!
It looked good, but we were there at Carnival time and it was too crazy.


[QUOTE=World Travel 69]Try this one, we stayed there.

Hotel Maria Luisa, Avenida Raul Leoni, 61,000, Pool, Tel: 263 6737 / 7940, Fax: 261 0564.
[email]hotmarlu@telcel.net[/email], [url]http://www.hotelmarialuisa.com.ve/Main_ingl.htm[/url]

Down the block is a restaurant-hotel Tamaca, that Chicas hang out in. They have rooms you can use with one of Chicas.[/QUOTE]

Here s the report of my journey to Margarita Island at My Wild Vacation villa located on Playa El Agua advertised at [url]www.mywildvacation.com[/url]

I booked in November 2006 for a 3 nights/4 days stay at the "villa" of [url]www.mywildvacation.com[/url]

Based on my experiece, I would strongly discourage people from going there as this does not offer a good ratio/quality price - at 1550$ USD for 3 nigths. Furthermore, I encountered additionnal genuine problems, regarless of price considerations.

Here are the factual elements I wish to bring to your attention

1- It is claimed that you get "24 hours companionship", which is not the case since the girls hang out among themselves and barely spend a few hours with their companion. Now, I m not stupid. I did not expect the girl to actually be 24 hours all the time with me, but there was no interest from them to spend even a minimal amount of time, and this was true of all girls I saw with all of their customers. The 2 other guys with me kept asking where their girl was...,

2. The girls have lots of sexual restrictions - out of 3 I tried, only one was really liberal.

For example, one refused to., be kissed on her breasts, to be even touched on her breasts, to be kissed on the mouth, to be masturbated, to give bareback blow job and so on.

3. The "at least 2 for 1 ratio of girls for customers" advertized was not respected,

4. The villa is located on the beach on a nice location, but is quite beat up. Some rooms are without a private bathroom, others have a private bathroom, with...no roof for the bathroom. Now again, remember that your paying about 650$ per night for this.

5. Most of the girls present were ordinary looking, although there were two very beautifull ones, one of which was also very sexy and provinding great sex / i.e. Carolina

6. But the worst of the worst was that I was unilateraly asked to leave my room even if I still had one night to go. And, this, with a 30 minutes notice / i.e. at 11h30 AM I was told that I had to leave my room at noon because a group of clients was coming in and they needed the whole villa.

Now, I was indeed offered to be relocated in a family hotel away from the beach with a chica, but that s beside the point.

This is not what I wanted and I was never told I would have to do this, and would not have reserved if I had known this, so I asked for a reimbursment of 1/3 of the money I had paid, which the owner, Thomas, categorically refused to do.

I rest my case.

Now, should any of you still want to go regarless of these factual warnings, you should at least insist to pay your stay night by night, rather than pay the whole money up front like I did. So,this way, at least, you could keep a little bit of negociating power for your self, should you be subjected to the kind of shit I was subjected to.

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Montreal Friend! First let me say that I have been to MWV 5 times and I am currently here enjoying what you have slagged. I am the guy from Toronto who arranged this "Canada Week" (Jan 10-17) down here back in June 2006, and have had the week exclusively booked since then. Thomas assures me that you were told of our booking and that you would need to transfer to the hotel when we arrived. So you chose to book knowing that you would be bumped.

The girls here are everything from a 10 model to the girl next door. All 6 of us have been more than happy with the girls. Those that have not performed as hoped / expected have rarely been chosen by the others in the party. As a result 4 of us have established close one-on-one relationships with our girls, just as your compadre did while you were here (incidentally he changed his return flight and is staying here for a second week - unplanned).

The price is US$2,550 for 7 days/6 nights - about US$400 a night. That is FULLY inclusive, room, meals, and girls (including 24 hrs with 2 girls) and the catamaran trip. Viking resort in the DR is US$3,900 for 4 days/3 nights - that's $1,300 a night. The villa is more luxurious but the Russian girls are ice-queen models, and rarely better than 1 to 1 ratio girl to guest. So if someone else doesn't change you cannot.
The girls here ARE 24 hr companions - mine hardly leaves my side and I've been here 5 days already. Similarly my companions have their girls with them most of the day and night, unless the guest choses to spend more time alone.

I have not encountered much by way of restrictions from the two girls that I have been with, but as with girls most everywhere BBBJ and Greek are often YMMV activities. The concept of being with a girl who doesn't kiss is an impossible "no go" for me. You make the selection, and if she isn't compatible or does not please you, you move on. I have seen more than 20 girls since I have been coming here, and I would say only 2 did not please me.

We were promised 2 to 1 ratio girls to guys. For one night (when we arrived - your last night) there were 15 girls to 9 guys - but at that time you had been in a 15 to 3 choice situation, until we arrived, and you had already chosen before we go there. When you left 15 girls to 8 guys. Certainly close to the 2 to 1 ratio. And we have all found plenty to be satisfied with.

The villa is not luxurious, but 4 rooms have an ensuite bathroom, and the other 2 rooms share 1 bathroom. The "outdoor bathroom" in one room is not a negative to the guy who's in there - except if you need to take a crap while it's raining!
Almost all of my group plan to return next year for an annual Canada Week, and several plan to return before then.

The villa is not perfect, and it is a bit tired, but it is a wonderful relaxed, friendly, comfortable environment to spend with girls and guys.

I think you overstate all of your jaded views.

Honestly, I know that most guys who go to MWV love it, and return. The odd one hates it and doesn't return. I guess you're the latter, but don't spoil it for those contemplating a visit - chances are they WILL love it.

Toronto Friend!

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[QUOTE=Montreal Friend]Some rooms are without a private bathroom, others have a private bathroom, with...no roof for the bathroom.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Perilon]The "outdoor bathroom" in one room is not a negative to the guy who's in there - except if you need to take a crap while it's raining![/QUOTE]Until you've taken a shower with a beautiful Venezuelan girl on a warm tropical night under the stars, you haven't lived. It is one of the supreme joys of life. I think that's the best room in the place.

I'm another current guest at My Wild Vacation (and a 1800 post member on TERB.CA who met Montreal Friend on his last day. I read his post and had a frank talk with Tom about it. Although he is pretty laid back he chuckled at your account of things and said you NEVER asked for any of your money back nor EVER said that you were not happy except on the very first day when you said that you weren't happy with Dana because she wouldn't do what you wanted. So they changed your girl for you to Carola and you were absolutely ecstatic.

FWIW, The other french speaking Montreal resident who was here at the same time (not together) liked it so much that he is staying a second week with us.

I will agree that the place would be 100% better if a fresh coat of paint were applied but I'd hardly call it beat up. Yup, there IS an open air bathroom and *I* love it. A shower is a really neat experience IMO but hey, if you don't want to get wet there are other bathrooms available.

To be sure, this is the third world but therein lies the charm, again IMO.

The facility is clean, safe and comfortable. The staff is exceedingly accommodating and they will do anything to make things right. The girls, like all latinas are a bit like herding cats, As always YMMV! I can say this though... some of the guys -ahem- forget to brush their teeth before breakfast and I can only pity any poor girl who had DFK attempted on her for a wake up quickie.

Hygiene is more than a greeting!

[QUOTE=Perilon]The price is US$2,550 for 7 days/6 nights - about US$400 a night. That is FULLY inclusive, room, meals, and girls (including 24 hrs with 2 girls) and the catamaran trip. Viking resort in the DR is US$3,900 for 4 days/3 nights - that's $1,300 a night.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Montreal Friend]Based on my experience, I would strongly discourage people from going there as this does not offer a good ratio/quality price - at 1550$ USD for 3 nights. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rubmeister100]To be sure, this is the third world but therein lies the charm, again IMO[/QUOTE]
Well, first-world pricing sure brings out the third-world charm, doesn't it? Now, if someone could explain to me, someone who has been to Venezuela and the Dominican Republic before, why they would pay those outrageous prices down there or in the DR, that would be a real help for me. Has there been a shortage of hot girls in these countries and have they all been herded into these camps?

[QUOTE=Rubmeister100]I can say this though... some of the guys -ahem- forget to brush their teeth before breakfast and I can only pity any poor girl who had DFK attempted on her for a wake up quickie.

Hygiene is more than a greeting![/QUOTE]
Well, at the rate you are paying, what's wrong with the girls not brushing the teeth for you? Jeez. Sure reflects on the establisment for me.

EA

[QUOTE=El Austriaco] Now, if someone could explain to me, someone who has been to Venezuela and the Dominican Republic before, why they would pay those prices down there or in the DR, that would be a real help for me.

EA[/QUOTE]The prices quoted at Viking in the DR (US$3,900 for 4 days/3 nights) is a luxurious high end sex vacation, however I personally prefer the latina girls and temperament. The MWV in Margarita (US$2,550 for 7 days/6 nights) is my kind of place. Simple, but relaxed and welcoming.


"Why would you pay those prices" - well the price includes accommodation and food and drinks - that is probably about $150/200 a night at an all inclusive hotel. The other $200 per 24 hours is resonable for time and sex spent with a beautiful latina. North American markets charge more than that an hour!!

Perhaps sex can be bought cheaper in the third world, but you need to know where to go to find it, be able to speak the language to negotiate, need to find an escort friendly hotel - all of which are hastles that I personally do not want. Additionally the MWV villa provides a venue for instant sexy parties, nude bathing etc. which yoiu would not be able to arrange on your own. The Viking experience is not even using the local girls, but fly in girls from "Russia" - that increases the cost, but does not provide the choice or persoanlity of my chosing.

I hope that helps.

Perilon

It has been posted here before (by me and by others) that there are certainly cheaper alternatives. You can get all inclusive hotel rooms on the beach for under $50, and finding girls is not hard most times of the year. However, there are lots of guys who don't like "the hunt". Some guys are willing to pay a bit more to take away the varaibility. We've all had those nights where things just never click and we can't find a girl. If your vacation is just a few days, it is worth paying extra for the guarantee of having a 24-hour companion right there in the hotel.

Yeah, if you want to go out to a bar and pick up a working girl, you can probably find one willing to do toda la noche (all night) for a lot less than you'd pay at an all inclusive resort. But there is always the chance that you won't, or that you'll find someone who will rip you off, or just not meet your expectations. The all inclusive resorts are for the guys who want everything taken care of, from the time you get off the plane in Caracas to when you ship out again for home.

[quote]Playa el Agua (and most of Margarita in general) is absolutely dead this time of the year {[i]post was in July[/i]}. At night, most beach bars / restaurants at Playa el Agua close by 7pm.[/quote][quote]I hit the bars and the beach, guys at night two bars open that had any action Woody's and some unknown place, but no fucking action at all! My nephew was there in May of 2004 swears by this place, but the time that I went I guess the slow season!{[i]posted in September[/i]}[/quote][quote]So I eat take a quick nap, hit the clubs around 11pm, I hit Woody's for an hour not much action there so I go to the only other club that appears to have some action it it nada! Back to woodys and again nada, back to the other no name club nada, back and forth back and forth FUCK ME![/quote]The freelancers come to the island during the heavy tourist times and head out when things are slow. The resorts bring in girls from the mainland, so you know there will always be companions available.

It is interesting to note that while my negative post about My Wild Vacation was factual, those who decided to express an alternative view so far have decided to take a angry tone along with impolite personal attacks against me, even though they do not know me.

I ask the readers of this Forum, have those people contredicted me about my main complaint (i.e. a unilateral and very short notice breach of the contact by sending me to another location than the agreed villa on the beach)?

No, the haven't! Read them carefully, you will see that they do NOT challenge that fact, because it's true!

Now, I am a very imperfect human, but to accuse me of lack of personal hygeine is quite cheap and very inacurate. On the contrary, I'm quite strict on cleaness, in every ways.

Finally, I should bring additionnal factual clarifications in rebuttal to the post of my "friend" from Toronto.

He invoques in support of his case against me the "fact" at the other French Canadian that was with me was fully satisfied by his trip. Well, I just received an e-mail from that fellow on January 26, 2007 in which, on the contrary, he writes:
"(...) Ormis sa présence je suis d'accord avec toi que c'était onéreux pour les services recus."

(Translation: Aside from her (the girl he was with) presence, I agree with you that it was expense relative to the services rendered).

Secondly, I did formely ask for a reimbursment of 1/3 of my money to the latino manager that was there. The owner simply was not there at that time.

Finally, I have every right to have a different opinion than some about My Wild Vacation and to express that opinion, along with specific facts, without getting insults from any people.

Again, I think that the fact that some people who were NOT present at the time of these events come out to insult me, without factual elements, says a lot about who they are and about the credibility that they should be given.

In conclusion, some readers here may still want to go to MWV.com regarless of my warnings, and they have every right to do so, but I have, I feel, a right, and even an obligation, to share with my fellow members of this site, the facts that I stated in my initial post below.

Again, in my opinion, and based on the facts stated below, people can live a better sexual advance / Girl friend experience elsewhere and, this, at a better price.

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[QUOTE=El Austriaco]Now, if someone could explain to me, someone who has been to Venezuela and the Dominican Republic before, why they would pay those outrageous prices down there or in the DR, that would be a real help for me. Has there been a shortage of hot girls in these countries and have they all been herded into these camps?

EA[/QUOTE]

Hi EA,

I've been to the DR 13x, Venezula 2x, Colombia 4x does that qualify me to offer an opinion? ;) Its because theses guys can't communicate with the girls. They don't speak Spanish. - and No, there is no shortage of hot girls down in Ven, or the DR. (lol)

"my girl tends to like to stay with the other girls, she doesn't spend much time with me" ........she doesn't understand what you're saying.

"at times my girl seems somewhat less enthusiastic about my companionship than the company's brochure advertises"..........she's tired of your hand signs and deplorable pronuciation of the word for beer . (its not pronounced "seer-deez-ah") (lol) :D

It has cracked me up for 4 years on this board how "players" are shocked that they can't find a true GFE in latin america when they can't speak the language. Learning the language is the most important step to getting what you really want.

And what do we all really want? A true gfe, that's what.... purring in your arms, deep tongue kisses that last for hours and then curled up in a little ball - pressed against your chest as you both sleep thru a balmy South America night. I get that every trip. "Pero, Mios....¡ustedes necesitan aprender español, éste es muy importante!" (you guys need to learn Spanish) ;)

Getting a true gfe doesn't mean "complaining to management and having the owner of the resort walk over to your room at 2am in his underwear and scold your girl for not being "enthusiastic" enough and having a bad attitude." (Boy oh boy, I can only imagine what the rest of that love making session would then be like) its about getting her to really enjoy your company! None of this is possible w/o language skills.

The real play in those "adult" resorts is spend a week down there and then negotiate separately with the girl before you leave. Despite the big prices we have to pay, the girls get paid a very small % of your guest fee. It all goes to the owner, and administrative costs. The working girls of Isa Margarita live mostly as montañeras (SA word) or jibaras (Puerto Rican word) for "hillbilly" girls. Deplorably poor.

If you work on your Spanish you can assuredly work out a side deal with one of the "in house" girls and steal her away from the place for your next trip. Often 1/4 the price and maybe a gift or two for her mother. :)

I still email Anjelica often. Former pro who is out of the biz but to select clientele. She never worked in one of those adult resorts and she's not THAT ugly, is she?
cheers,
FORD

Gentlemen,

I am considering going to Total Satisfaction on Margarita Island for 1 week.
Is it worth the bucks? Any one been there and can you offer me a quality fill-in?

Many thanks - Rockhunter

You will be the only one getting Fucked in Isla Margarita.
Go to D.R., Rio, Buenos Aires, Colombia. Peru, Chile, Thailand, etc. Anywhere but Venezuela.

[QUOTE=Rockhunter]Gentlemen,

I am considering going to Total Satisfaction on Margarita Island for 1 week.
Is it worth the bucks? Any one been there and can you offer me a quality fill-in?

Many thanks - Rockhunter[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know the takeout fee for the Morrison on Isla Margarita?

And how much does the girl charge for an all-nighter?

Been at Morrison in January. Show start's at 9pm. Girls are average at best.

Beer is Bs10.000. Take a girl to the back it cost you Bs300.000 These prices are close to north America level!

This is not my type of place, there is cheaper and better to be had in Porlamar.

[QUOTE=Rockhunter]Gentlemen,

I am considering going to Total Satisfaction on Margarita Island for 1 week.
Is it worth the bucks? Any one been there and can you offer me a quality fill-in?

Many thanks - Rockhunter[/QUOTE]Rockhunter,

I have thought about this place a few times since hearing about it on the Playboy channel. After seeing the various message boards, I'm not sure. I really don't want to spend that kind of money and be disappointed. I just tell myself, if I spend that same money in Rio, I'd be living like a king. Their web site has a forum, but 'cmon, whould they really positive the negative. I spend about $4000UDS twice a year for trips to different places, not rally interested in going to a unproven place.

Ryjer

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Ford,

You're right on the money about learning spanish to exponentially increase your good times in latin america. I've studied spanish off and on for a few years, I'm at an intermediate level yet not near fluent (always more fluent after 3 beers) and it helps tremendously. I've chatted up plenty of lovely ladies all over, CR, Buenos Aires, Venezuela, Cartagena, all over, some pros, some just regular civies, and it makes a huge difference.

I met a civie (actually school teacher) in BA, over 20 years younger than me, cute and sexy, chatted her up in spanish, then she wanted to practice her english so I spoke spanish, she spoke english, this went on for a while before I walked her back to her apartment. She went from mild mannered school teacher to raging nympho in no time, all for the cost of a beer.

Also got a regular girlfriend in CR, cute civie, almost 20 years younger than me, sexy, smart as hell, petite spinner with tan lines (god, I love that!) that does not know the word, "no" when it comes to making daddy happy.

I found that speaking the language, knowing how to dance some salsa, merengue, cumbia, whatever is popular where you are going, these things help and are not that hard to do. Also learn something about the place, whether it is history of the place, the popular singers, actors, etc. something that you can talk about with the lovelies. And get out of all the monger bars, there are plenty of civies out there to meet.

[QUOTE=Rockhunter]Gentlemen,

I am considering going to Total Satisfaction on Margarita Island for 1 week.
Is it worth the bucks? Any one been there and can you offer me a quality fill-in?

Many thanks - Rockhunter[/QUOTE]


Rock, Isla Margarita is not where you want to be for a sex holiday. You can use it as a jumping off point to get to Puerto La Cruz where there is everything from street action to seedy brothels.

Alan

I'd say Ford is pretty much on the money here.

If you want to run with the Big Dogs better learn the lingo or resign yourself to searching for good ones in the meat shops.

Tons of sexy passionate women all over latin america that are open to a older guy if you are in reasonable shape and can click together. Hard to click when about all you can ask is where's the bathroom and how much for a beer.

Lots of good spanish language programs and spend the $200 for a good one. Also TONS of spanish speakers ALL OVER the USoA and latin areas that you can go to have a bite to eat, go to a club etc and practice your skills there, you may be surprised at what you come up with there! Two years ago I was working in the states for a while and hating it. Well as I left work one day I ran into a couple of cleaning ladies coming in. One was cute as fuck. I start chatting them up en espanol next thing I know I have her phone number and a few days later after a little romancing I'm showing this little Guatemalan beauty queen how to suck cock and eat cum Hosem style!

Spend the time effort and $$ to learn the language. Decent pronunciation is as important or more so than a large vocabulary, you can and will add to your vocabulary but if you start off with shit pronunciation it is hard to change.

[QUOTE=Ford]Hi EA,

I've been to the DR 13x, Venezula 2x, Colombia 4x does that qualify me to offer an opinion? ;) Its because theses guys can't communicate with the girls. They don't speak Spanish. - and No, there is no shortage of hot girls down in Ven, or the DR. (lol)

"my girl tends to like to stay with the other girls, she doesn't spend much time with me" ........she doesn't understand what you're saying.

"at times my girl seems somewhat less enthusiastic about my companionship than the company's brochure advertises"..........she's tired of your hand signs and deplorable pronuciation of the word for beer . (its not pronounced "seer-deez-ah") (lol) :D

It has cracked me up for 4 years on this board how "players" are shocked that they can't find a true GFE in latin america when they can't speak the language. Learning the language is the most important step to getting what you really want.

And what do we all really want? A true gfe, that's what.... purring in your arms, deep tongue kisses that last for hours and then curled up in a little ball - pressed against your chest as you both sleep thru a balmy South America night. I get that every trip. "Pero, Mios....¡ustedes necesitan aprender español, éste es muy importante!" (you guys need to learn Spanish) ;)

Getting a true gfe doesn't mean "complaining to management and having the owner of the resort walk over to your room at 2am in his underwear and scold your girl for not being "enthusiastic" enough and having a bad attitude." (Boy oh boy, I can only imagine what the rest of that love making session would then be like) its about getting her to really enjoy your company! None of this is possible w/o language skills.

The real play in those "adult" resorts is spend a week down there and then negotiate separately with the girl before you leave. Despite the big prices we have to pay, the girls get paid a very small % of your guest fee. It all goes to the owner, and administrative costs. The working girls of Isa Margarita live mostly as montañeras (SA word) or jibaras (Puerto Rican word) for "hillbilly" girls. Deplorably poor.

If you work on your Spanish you can assuredly work out a side deal with one of the "in house" girls and steal her away from the place for your next trip. Often 1/4 the price and maybe a gift or two for her mother. :)

I still email Anjelica often. Former pro who is out of the biz but to select clientele. She never worked in one of those adult resorts and she's not THAT ugly, is she?
cheers,
FORD[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=World Travel 69]You will be the only one getting Fucked in Isla Margarita.
Go to D.R., Rio, Buenos Aires, Colombia. Peru, Chile, Thailand, etc. Anywhere but Venezuela.[/QUOTE]Mate,

I respect your opinion, but you don't explain why, I have been to TS twice and had awesome GFE. The girls are 7 to 10 in the main with only 1 or two rated below 5. If you consider the food beer and room is thrown in with the chica then it's not bad value. Finally unlike the reports on MWV at TS the chicas do stay with you 24 x7. Any one PM me if you want more info, meanwhile I have posted some pics in the relevant section for you to gauge.

No matter what the TS boards say, MWV has the same policy as TS -- girls are with you 24x7.

[QUOTE=KC Questor]No matter what the TS boards say, MWV has the same policy as TS -- girls are with you 24x7.[/QUOTE]I've not been to MWV only TS so have no personal experience of MWV I was only responding to comments in the board, if you've been you will be better placed to comment.

I read the report by Montreal and the string of responses by others.

It does not take rocket science to realize that Montreal was sincere and accurate. While the others were lying.

I would not stay at that place. Unscrupulous business practices travel fast. That is why a good business MUST care for its customer 100% of the time. Montreal did not get this. And therefore, I, and 10, 000 other readers would never go to that place.

This will teach the owners and supporters a thing or two about having some. Dignity!

Like I said in another post. IM is great for the younger guys, but not for us old farts.
Also Myself and my two buddies got our Credit Cards Copied and used. Mine for $5800.
The chicas I did have in Venezuela were just OK. The country is just too scary for me and my buddies.


[QUOTE=Ukjazzman]Mate,

I respect your opinion, but you don't explain why, I have been to TS twice and had awesome GFE. The girls are 7 to 10 in the main with only 1 or two rated below 5. If you consider the food beer and room is thrown in with the chica then it's not bad value. Finally unlike the reports on MWV at TS the chicas do stay with you 24 x7. Any one PM me if you want more info, meanwhile I have posted some pics in the relevant section for you to gauge.[/QUOTE]

The newest progress report June, 2008:

Unfortunately, the thing is, in the meantime, a complete flop. The standard offered on the HP is still offered by the supplier. One can also book and he requires the full amount.

Then one day before the departure You get a e-mail, that unfortunately the ressort on Isla Margarita has been closed (there we have found out that this is already for months so) and the services in another lodging is offered. Then this also was in such a way. We had a flatlet. There was the "choice" between 4 women and to change also developed very difficult. Then we had the same girls all the time who have taken care very much in the beginning, but in the long run, unfortunately, less and less were engaged. This also, because they had to prepare food in addition, and wash away (there we have also helped).

Anyway the feeling was not unambiguously in such a way as on the HP is described. We had to do everything with additional taxi trips, so absolutely no All-inclusive. Also the included offers and additions were not kept.

The organizer was not there also, has probably moved already in the Dom. Rep. On Email he was also not ready for concessions, neither discounts nor other changes on account of the circumstances, probably wanted to cash up once more hard. His representative have really tried to make it the best he could to us, but to him the hands were also bound.

As a result one may say unambiguously that the whole is, in the meantime, an unequivocal duffing. For the new arrangement in the Dom. Rep. We cannot speak, but there it is more expensive again.

Anyway MWV is no more recommendable in Venezuela. Not at all. Keep away

I was in Isla Margarita in April 2008 during Christian Fiesta called locally "Semana Santa" that means the Holly Week. In Venezuela most people are Catholics and they celebrate for the all week in Latino American way –having fun.

I stayed in Hotel Isla Caribe ****. It was a new, nice hotel with a great large swing pool and nice rooms. However I won’t recommend this hotel to anybody cause of few things. There wasn’t a good choice of food like it shuld be in a quality All-inc. Hotel. Also the food wasn’t testy. Many workers were very lazy, feeling like having vacation not working. But the worst was the beach near the hotel. It was small and dirty. To have a good time on the beach we need to move about 1 mile to Playa Parquito or Playa El Agua.

During my stay In Isla Margarita I had a great mongering time. Many people in the resort used to say that after dark it is not too save on the streets. However I tell You guys that You will lose the best staying in the resort.

There are few rules to respect and You don’t have to worry about going outside resorts during night.

1)Try not to look like a twin of Mr. T. Or Christmas Tree. Leave all your gold in your room.

2)Good to speak some basic Spanish, cause in Margarita almost nobody (except few guys working in hotel) speak English.

3) Make a copy of your passport, and take it with You if police would try to check. Leave the original passport in hotel.

4)Don’t take too much money, and any credit cards, travel checks etc. If some problem you may give all you have without being hurt.

5)Try to go on the main streets, where are lights and some people are walking.

Playa El Aqua:

First place where any mongering guy should go in Playa El Aqua is a Woody’s Disco/Bar.

This club is a normal disco/bar with semi pro working girls mixed with the croud. The girls are from many countrys of South America, and they come to Isla Margarita to have a holiday and also to earn some money. The best choice is just try to chat with girls that are having a good fun. In this way we may fine a normal girl, that may be horny and may like to dance, drink and maybe spend a night with us. Or just found one of the mixed working girls. You will easy see the difference. Normal girls will just dance and chat with you, working girls will try to make you horny just after You started talking with them. Touching your penis for a second or saying dirty things to your ear.

When You can’t find girls in Woody’s (sometimes it is to early) try to walk along the street and looking index next bars that are near the beach. One day I found that all girls were in one bar, drinking in their own company before work. About 10 ½ pro girls and maybe 2-3 not interested local guys.

During my first visit in Woody’s I met Andrea, a nice 7, black girl from Columbia. She quickly told me that she do "fucky fucky with nice guys". We went to some well protected hotel that was close to Woody’s for one hour. I had a real good sex with her (kissing, licking pussy, uncovered blow job, sex in many positions, final in her mouth. The price was 100$.

Some other night I met Ann, Latino girl from continental Venezuela. I had a real GFE time with her. She wanted to be with me for my all stay, but I found that it would be too expensive for me. She didn’t want any money for sex, but was spending all the night my money (as her vacation boyfriend I was obligated to pay for her needs) like crazy. Buying hundreds of drinks to her and her friends etc.

I had a great sex with her, but when I heard about shopping next day I said to myself "Pass and Run! ".

Porlamar

After some time in Playa El Aqua I decided to go to main town in Isla Margarita – Porlamar.

Unfortunately I was so drunk after tequila session in the resort that I don’t remember many from my trip to Porlamar. It was some famous brothel, but I don’t remember the name right now. However I remember that there was a goof choice of girls and that it was rather expensive. I choose a niece, black girl, but I don’t remember the action Thanks God I came back alive from this Porlamar trip.

I Heard from local guy that in Porlamar the Best amateur chick are In Senior Frog’s and Camy Beach discos. But haven’t check them.

To sum up. Isla Margarita is a great time for mongering vacation. Many ½ pro girls and some amateurs. Ladys do good or even GFE service. However not the best place for brothels – rather too expensive.

PS: Try to change money in small shops or with taxi drivers, there is a huge difference between official change that will offer You in hotel and not official. I found that the difference may be even 50%!

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Isla Margarita scene apparently is totally dead. Been here some months ago and I find an absolutely sad desolation and it was high season!

Any advice for this beach. I will be basicly there for kitesurfing.

As I read no action there. Or?

Any recomended hotel there?

Hi guys,

I want to tell you to be carefull with your health in la isla Margarita, the sanitary sistem has shown an increase of HIV in the Island,that is very high especially in young girls .A friend of mine hase now HIV after a porn scene in Isla Margarita with a pretty local girl.

Been to El Yaque recently. In the village there is zero chances to monger, however if you like tourist girls then give it a try. Almost no locals are seen after the sun goes down so not much chances there, the ones working there try to protect their reputation in this small village.

We heard that its possible to get girls via taxi drivers but did not get informations how much it costs or how the quality is.

Went to Porlamar, to the Club "Harem" which is a rather expensive club with very nice girls, many of them are pimped with implants (Avenida 4 de Mayo). Had a 30 mins session GFE for a total damage of arround 2000 Bolivars (including drinks). The Taxi from Yaque to Porlamar charges about 200 Bolivares one way. At this time the black market rate was 1:25 for Euro and 1:21 for USD.

On another night we went to another more basic club I belive it was called Roses or Lips, the damage for one hour with a nice girl with a slim tight body was 1300 Bolivar. It was not far from Harem in a side street.

[URL]http://www.hotelmarialuisa.com.ve/[/URL]

[url]https://plus.google.com/115882247441395890669/about?gl=us&hl=en[/url]

Clubs:

[url]http://www.islasensual.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=9[/url]

[url]http://tulazarillo.com/lips-night-club/[/url]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;511564]Try this one, we stayed there.

Hotel Maria Luisa, Avenida Raul Leoni, 61k, Pool, Tel: 263 6737 / 7940, Fax: 261 0564.
[email]hotmarlu@telcel.net[/email], [url]http://www.hotelmarialuisa.com.ve/Main_ingl.htm[/url]

Down the block is a restaurant-hotel Tamaca, that Chicas hang out in. They have rooms you can use with one of Chicas.[/QUOTE]

Is the island dead? I thought there was a very nice mongering scene year a few years ago?

You might find some newer info here.

[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowForum-g294324-i2023-Venezuela.html[/url]

[URL]https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree********americas-south-america/venezuela[/URL]


[QUOTE=MSClive;1777784]Is the island dead? I thought there was a very nice mongering scene year a few years ago?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1778337]You might find some newer info here.

[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowForum-g294324-i2023-Venezuela.html[/url]

[URL]https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree********americas-south-america/venezuela[/URL][/QUOTE]Today on a bus in Medellin I sat beside a Venezuelan guy who is living in Medellin. He is from the island and last visited there in December 2014, he said it was safe to visit and lots of chicas very cheap. He said he met lots of french Canadian holidayers there. I would check to confirm this with Quebec travel agency. He seemed like a legit guy in the 15 minutes we talked.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1785595]Today on a bus in Medellin I sat beside a Venezuelan guy who is living in Medellin. He is from the island and last visited there in December 2014, he said it was safe to visit and lots of chicas very cheap. He said he met lots of french Canadian holidayers there. I would check to confirm this with Quebec travel agency. He seemed like a legit guy in the 15 minutes we talked.[/QUOTE]If you go on Isla Margarita, you can keep in touch with Robert, owner of the posada Vila del Sol in Playa del Agua. He is french Canadian and give much infos and help about P4 P on Isla Margarita.

I spend two weeks holidays in Venezuela (Caracas, Isla Margarita and Puerto la Cruz). I can confirm that I paid between 3 and 5 euros (and up to 8 euros with anal and CIM) to fuck chicas, thank to black exchange market rate.

I just get back to Europe today, give me time to write a full report.

Fisrt at all, thank to Britisher who gave the necessary informations to start my holidays in Venezuela.

In Venezuela, always remember the black market exchange rate: [URL]dolartoday.com[/URL] (the internet site is blocked in Venezuela but the android / iphone app is working).

In this moment, 1 euro is 900 bolivars at buying black market rate; at selling rate, you can get 700 bolivars vs 1 euro in private hotel or shop, 750 bolivars with some taxi drivers or hotel receptionnist, and 800 bolivars with local friend or his family.

When you arrive at Caracas airport or Polamar airport on Isla Margarita, you have no choice but to exchange at the Simadi rate, this is the official rate for foreign tourists. With Simadi rate, you get 200 bolivars vs 1 euro. I recommanded you to exchange only 20 euros at Simadi rate to have some bolivars to paid your taxi or a few beers waiting your connecting flight.

When you are in Polamar city, it more easy to exchange your euros vs bolivars at black market rate. Just ask the taxi driver, the hotel receptionnist or anyone, all the local known someone who agree to buy your euros.

The first week, I stayed at the posada Vila del Sol at Playa el Agua ([URL]http://villadelsol.org/wordpress/?page_id=320&language=en[/URL]).

It's good place for a newbie to start mongering in Isla Margarita. The owner, Robert, is French canadian and he known very well Isla Margarita and he will help you.

Room at Vila del Sol cost from 5000 to 7000 bolivars. And off course the posada is chica friendly.

For safety, I recommanded you take the chicas that Robert introduce to you or call the chicas working at agency (I did use the Silver Lips agency: [URL]http://www.sexyorientales.com/site/p_index.php?ids=3&/Agencias[/URL]) but never take a chica from the club or the street in your hotel (It could happen that the chica check the hotel security system and then call her boyfriend to visit you the next day).

The chicas I call from Lips agency cost 5500 bolivars / hour (plus 3000 bolivars for extra anal sex) but they blow with condom. The chicas that Robert introduce cost 8000 bolivars / hour but they give bareback blow job. All the chicas come from Polamar and you have to add extra for their taxi (usually 3000 bolivars).

So, you fuck in your hotel room a chica for 5500 up 8000 bolivars, 6 to 9 euros thank to black market exchange rate! Where else in this world you can screw a asshole for this price? You can enjoy the beautiful beach of Playa el Agua and at the same time fuck so many chicas at the cheapest price on the world.

The second week, I stay at Venetur Hotel in Polamar city ([URL]http://www.venetur.gob.ve/index.php/hotel/hotel-margarita.html[/URL]). This hotel is the former Hilton which has been nationalized by Chavez's gouvernment. Here I paid 9000 bolivars by night. Only 11 euros for a room with Hilton confort!

The Venetur is good place to stay to visit at night time the strip clubs in Polamar. In day time you can enjoy the big hotel's swimming pool and do shopping at the mail La Vega just in front of the hotel.

For safety, always ask the hotel to call a taxi for you, never use a taxi in the street (there are many "fake taxi" in the street of Polamar, if you take them you will finish somewhere without your clothes, shoes and money). Hotel taxi cost 800 to 1000 bolivars to go to Quadro de Mayo Avenue where the strip clubs are.

There is a problem with Venetur Hotel: if the hotel is chica friendly, the chicas have to register at the reception before coming in your room. There are a few agency's chicas who do not want to register and they give you appointment at the love hotel Brismar not to far. A room at love hotel Brismar cost 500 bolivars for 3 hours.

If you have a international driving permit, it's better to rent a car than use a taxi. There are many rent car agency in Polamar (Avis, Herz, Budget, etc.). With you own rent car, you can visit the island, move easyly anywhere in day time. But again, for safety reason, at night night only move by hotel taxi on your way to the club, and on your way back to your hotel ask the club to call a taxi for you (every club have a few taxi drivers working for them).

Haitek,

Excellent work, man.

This could be a game changer for the newbies.

And I admire your guts plunging into this and actually enjoying yourself.

Well done.

I visited four strip clubs in Porlamar. They are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue in center of Porlamar.

Harem club is the most expensive with more than 15 chicas. The chicas are very good looking, like model.
For you guys who known Medellin, the chicas at Harem have the look level of Medellin's La Isla club. But many are cold and behave very professional, not caliente at all.
A bottle of local rhum cost from 15000 bolivars up to 25000 bolivars. At Harem it's better to order a bottle than a beer if you want the girls coming to seat with you. A Lady drink cost 1200 bolivars. 30 minutes short time with a chica, including room upstair, cost 15000 bolivars (less than 20 euros at black market exchange rate). Some girls give bareback blow job, some not, you have to ask before going in room.
Harem address: Av 4 de Mayo, local 1 Sector Genoves, Porlamar 6301.

Next to Harem is Mediteraneo Dos (do not mistake with Mediteraneo Uno which is located in a popular and dangerous area). The chicas look ok, some are chubby. They have the look level of casa's chicas in centro Medellin.
A beer cost only 300 bolivars (0,40 euro!). And a chica from 8000 to 10000 bolivars for 30 minutes in short time room.

Lipps club is good place to spend a long night with about 12 chicas; somme look very good, some are little chubby, all are very friendly with customers.
A Lady drink cost 1000 bolivars. 30 min with a chica cost from 5000 to 8000 bolivars. Price depends on the girl, you can negotiate before going in room.
The Lipps's owner is a Frenchman. He have many story to tell you about Margarita.
Lipps address: Calle Campos cruce con Tubores, Porlamar 6302.

Next to Lipps is Morisson. It similar to Lipps with about 10 girls. Here too the staff and the girls are very friendly.

I found those clubs very safe to spend time all night time. I get very drunk many time in Lipps and in Morisson, every time the staff call a taxi that they trust to take me back to my hotel. I did not get cheated or get robbed at those clubs.
The clubs are open at 8 pm (but girls come between 9 pm and 10 pm) and close at 3 am.

Thanks for the report. Venezuela value reports are hard to come. I have one question that is very important to me. On web girls are they as good looking as the photos show or that is just mostly fake photos what was your experience?

Please all the more updates you can give me will be helpful.

John.

[QUOTE=Haitek;1786145]I visited four strip clubs in Porlamar. They are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue in center of Porlamar.

Harem club is the most expensive with more than 15 chicas. The chicas are very good looking, like model.
For you guys who known Medellin, the chicas at Harem have the look level of Medellin's La Isla club. But many are cold and behave very professional, not caliente at all.
A bottle of local rhum cost from 15000 bolivars up to 25000 bolivars. At Harem it's better to order a bottle than a beer if you want the girls coming to seat with you. A Lady drink cost 1200 bolivars. 30 minutes short time with a chica, including room upstair, cost 15000 bolivars (less than 20 euros at black market exchange rate). Some girls give bareback blow job, some not, you have to ask before going in room.
Harem address: Av 4 de Mayo, local 1 Sector Genoves, Porlamar 6301.

Next to Harem is Mediteraneo Dos (do not mistake with Mediteraneo Uno which is located in a popular and dangerous area). The chicas look ok, some are chubby. They have the look level of casa's chicas in centro Medellin.
A beer cost only 300 bolivars (0,40 euro!). And a chica from 8000 to 10000 bolivars for 30 minutes in short time room.

Lipps club is good place to spend a long night with about 12 chicas; somme look very good, some are little chubby, all are very friendly with customers.
A Lady drink cost 1000 bolivars. 30 min with a chica cost from 5000 to 8000 bolivars. Price depends on the girl, you can negotiate before going in room.
The Lipps's owner is a Frenchman. He have many story to tell you about Margarita.
Lipps address: Calle Campos cruce con Tubores, Porlamar 6302.

Next to Lipps is Morisson. It similar to Lipps with about 10 girls. Here too the staff and the girls are very friendly.

I found those clubs very safe to spend time all night time. I get very drunk many time in Lipps and in Morisson, every time the staff call a taxi that they trust to take me back to my hotel. I did not get cheated or get robbed at those clubs.
The clubs are open at 8 pm (but girls come between 9 pm and 10 pm) and close at 3 am.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John;1786161]Thanks for the report. Venezuela value reports are hard to come. I have one question that is very important to me. On web girls are they as good looking as the photos show or that is just mostly fake photos what was your experience?

Please all the more updates you can give me will be helpful.

John.[/QUOTE]Hi John,

In my experience with [URL]www.sexyorientales.com[/URL] and [URL]www.sexycaracas.com[/URL], the girls that come in my hotel room are the same girls who appear on the web site pictures.

But all the pictures are photoshoped. In real life, expect to see the girls with a few more kilos in weight and with face and body less sexy than the pictures. Most of time I found them shorter than the body that show on pictures.

[QUOTE=Britisher;1786030]Haitek,

Excellent work, man.

This could be a game changer for the newbies.

And I admire your guts plunging into this and actually enjoying yourself.

Well done.[/QUOTE]Hi Britisher,

I return you the compliment. Without your informations on ISG, maybe I would not have dared to visit Venezuela.

Thank you again!

Haitek, very good reports. Thank you. I added them to ROD.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1786498]Haitek, very good reports. Thank you. I added them to ROD.[/QUOTE]Thank you, I'm glad to see my posts in ROD.

I'm not english native speaking, I apologize for errors writing.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1785595]Today on a bus in Medellin I sat beside a Venezuelan guy who is living in Medellin. He is from the island and last visited there in December 2014, he said it was safe to visit and lots of chicas very cheap. He said he met lots of french Canadian holidayers there. I would check to confirm this with Quebec travel agency. He seemed like a legit guy in the 15 minutes we talked.[/QUOTE]Very True, During the winter Months there are charter flights arriving five days a week from both Quebec City and Montreal. They usually shuttle them to the all inclusive hotels. (Most never venture outside the hotel but, that is a separate topic for another time) It is a total rip off as they are not taking advantage of the exchange rate and are paying full price but, the fact that there are so many French Canadians vacationing In Margarita Island and, there are charter flights with Packages being sold indicates that the island is by in large safe.

Amazing report. I'm thinking in Isla Margarita as my next mongering destination. I read about some problems regarding food in Venezuela. You have any trouble to find what you want to eat? What about the beaches? You spent some time there too? Thanks a lot for the report on the field. Its very useful.

[QUOTE=Haitek;1786145]I visited four strip clubs in Porlamar. They are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue in center of Porlamar.

Harem club is the most expensive with more than 15 chicas. The chicas are very good looking, like model.
For you guys who known Medellin, the chicas at Harem have the look level of Medellin's La Isla club. But many are cold and behave very professional, not caliente at all.
A bottle of local rhum cost from 15000 bolivars up to 25000 bolivars. At Harem it's better to order a bottle than a beer if you want the girls coming to seat with you. A Lady drink cost 1200 bolivars. 30 minutes short time with a chica, including room upstair, cost 15000 bolivars (less than 20 euros at black market exchange rate). Some girls give bareback blow job, some not, you have to ask before going in room.
Harem address: Av 4 de Mayo, local 1 Sector Genoves, Porlamar 6301.

Next to Harem is Mediteraneo Dos (do not mistake with Mediteraneo Uno which is located in a popular and dangerous area). The chicas look ok, some are chubby. They have the look level of casa's chicas in centro Medellin..[/QUOTE]

Where is best place to find highest black market exchange rate?

[QUOTE=Polvonauta;1787293]Amazing report. I'm thinking in Isla Margarita as my next mongering destination. I read about some problems regarding food in Venezuela. You have any trouble to find what you want to eat? What about the beaches? You spent some time there too? Thanks a lot for the report on the field. Its very useful.[/QUOTE]Food is not really a problem if you have money. I always get what I want on Isla Margarita hotels and restaurants, pizza, pasta, hamburger, t-bone steak, italian cheese (but not french cheese), wine, beer, tea, cafe. Only one shortage: pepper! I have salt but not pepper in restaurant.

The Isla Margarita's beaches are very clean with white sand, similar to Fortaleza beaches or Phuket beaches. I spend alot of day time on Playa el Agua and Playa Parguito. They are family oriented beaches. At Playa el Agua, all the bars with hookers and the discos have recently been destroyed on behalf of environment and safety.
One Mojito on Playa el Agua cost 450 bolivars, and a grilled lobster cost only 4000 bolivars!

The food shortage problem concerns only the poor people who buy food in State owned stores at subsidized prices.
But be safe, bring with you condoms (not good quality here) and a roll of toilet paper (in case you use public toilet).

I love this line. Ha ha. Good one.

[QUOTE=Haitek;1787564][B]Food is not really a problem if you have money.[/B] I always get what I want on Isla Margarita hotels and restaurants..................[/QUOTE]

I wash triying to find a website of this all inclusive but couldn't. Do you know guys if is still open?

Hi,

Can anyone refer me to any trusted black market exchange contacts or places to go for black market exchange rate?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=PackerDonger;1820057]Hi,

Can anyone refer me to any trusted black market exchange contacts or places to go for black market exchange rate?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Everyone in Venezuela who has Bolivars will change money for you. It is just that different people offer different exchange rates! Just go and ask the hotel concierge! Or talk to other locals staying in your hotel or go to a mall and ask!

The best rates I get is about 50 bolivars less than the current black market rate as published online. But sometimes, I have to accept up to 250 less than the black market rate as published depending on the situation and how desperate I am.

[QUOTE=PackerDonger;1820057]Hi,

Can anyone refer me to any trusted black market exchange contacts or places to go for black market exchange rate?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are looking to exchange dollars via electronic transfer, the best and safest place that I know is Foro PTC, the "negocios" sub-forum has another sub-forum titled "Compra-Venta de theólares por dinero local", which handles such things. The place is heavily modded and has it's own reputation system for sellers and buyers, so with a little common sense the should be no problem doing business there. There are a handful of facebook groups which specialize on the exchange black market and usually pay a bit better, but the good ones are all hidden, and it can be difficult to get a referral.

Hi Haitek!

Great FR on Isla Margarita. I have been following the conversations about Venezuela and Margarita closely, as I am strongly considering a trip there very soon. I am well aware of the advantages of the exchange rate, as well as the crime problem in many parts of the country, especially Caracas. I have every intention of avoiding Caracas if at all possible.

From what I have been learning, Isla Margarita is the most mainstream, tourist-oriented destination within Venezuela (along with Roques). I therefore assume that law enforcement presence is high, and that the airport and other services are geared towards tourism. I was hoping to run a tester trip through Margarita before I tried more mainstream locales like Maracaibo or Canaima. I was hoping to fly directly into and out of I'm, bypassing Caracas completely. There seem to be some direct flights into I'm from Manaus and Port of Spain.

I read your recent trip report with great interest. I hope you don't mind if I pose a few questions.

1. How / where did you enter the country? Direct to I'm or through Caracas?

2. How did you find the airports and customs / immigration at Caracas and / or Margarita?

3. Your report said that you stayed at Villa del Sol in Playa Aqua. Were you happy with the hotel there? Was it safe? Was there a lockable safe in the room? Was Robert (ownership) and the staff there trustworthy? Did some of them speak English? Did you exchange currency with them or did you go to a Casa de Cambio? How did you find the ladies that they had access to?

4. If you could do it over, would you spend all the time in Vila del Sol? Or still go to Porlamar?

5. Of course, one should always take precautions. I have travelled to some dicier parts of the world before. I know that it is probably not completely safe, but did you find I'm overall safe enough? Would you go back again? FYI, I speak only tourist level spanglish.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1838604]Hi Haitek!

Great FR on Isla Margarita. I have been following the conversations about Venezuela and Margarita closely, as I am strongly considering a trip there very soon. I am well aware of the advantages of the exchange rate, as well as the crime problem in many parts of the country, especially Caracas. I have every intention of avoiding Caracas if at all possible.

From what I have been learning, Isla Margarita is the most mainstream, tourist-oriented destination within Venezuela (along with Roques). I therefore assume that law enforcement presence is high, and that the airport and other services are geared towards tourism. I was hoping to run a tester trip through Margarita before I tried more mainstream locales like Maracaibo or Canaima. I was hoping to fly directly into and out of I'm, bypassing Caracas completely. There seem to be some direct flights into I'm from Manaus and Port of Spain.

I read your recent trip report with great interest. I hope you don't mind if I pose a few questions.

1. How / where did you enter the country? Direct to I'm or through Caracas?

2. How did you find the airports and customs / immigration at Caracas and / or Margarita?

3. Your report said that you stayed at Villa del Sol in Playa Aqua. Were you happy with the hotel there? Was it safe? Was there a lockable safe in the room? Was Robert (ownership) and the staff there trustworthy? Did some of them speak English? Did you exchange currency with them or did you go to a Casa de Cambio? How did you find the ladies that they had access to?

4. If you could do it over, would you spend all the time in Vila del Sol? Or still go to Porlamar?

5. Of course, one should always take precautions. I have travelled to some dicier parts of the world before. I know that it is probably not completely safe, but did you find I'm overall safe enough? Would you go back again? FYI, I speak only tourist level spanglish.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Hi!

Right now I m back in Margarita and I did stay three nights at Villa del sol. Another member of this forum, Smily, is also here. I can sais that posada is safe and good to start mongering in Margarita. I prefer Porlamar because all the clubs are in Porlamar.

I will give you all informations needed when I will be back to my home in Europe.

[QUOTE=Haitek;1839011]Hi!

Right now I m back in Margarita and I did stay three nights at Villa del sol. Another member of this forum, Smily, is also here. I can sais that posada is safe and good to start mongering in Margarita. I prefer Porlamar because all the clubs are in Porlamar.

I will give you all informations needed when I will be back to my home in Europe.[/QUOTE]Furthermore, , I was just cruising the Venezuela forum, and I happened on your posts about Puerto la Cruz.

Your reports make this area sound great. I know that there are direct flights from Miami to Barcelona Airport, with tickets purchasable on the website. I think you said that it is a roughly 30 minute trip from the airport to Puerto la Cruz. I was also reading my book here, and it seems that you can catch quick ferries from here to Margarita or Parque Mochima.

How do you think Puerto La Cruz compares to Isla Margarita?

The only downside I can see is that you have to utilize escorts. I don't speak spanish much. The setup at Villa del Sol sounds good to me.

I've fucked one Venezuelan tute in my entire mongering career so far. She was working in Costa Rica at the time and was going by the name of "Adriana". I remember she said she was from Isla Margarita. I've attached some pics of her. So, so beautiful! I remember telling her as she laid on her back with her soft alabaster thighs slayed wide open and looking up at me smiling with her sparkling blue eyes. I told her in Spanish that I was about to stick my "cho-co-late" inside of her "va-nilla". Adriana was moist and wet as I thrust roughly and excitedly in and out of her body to satisfy my lustful desire for her sex. I was very turned on by Adriana and so it didn't take me long to sperm inside of her. She faked being upset that I "nutted" so fast LOL! Damn it I love prostitution! Fucking all of these pretty girls all over the world!

Where in Costa Rica did you find her. Del Ray hotel?

[QUOTE=TheCane;1839031]I've fucked one Venezuelan tute in my entire mongering career so far. She was working in Costa Rica at the time and was going by the name of "Adriana". I remember she said she was from Isla Margarita. I've attached some pics of her. So, so beautiful! I remember telling her as she laid on her back with her soft alabaster thighs slayed wide open and looking up at me smiling with her sparkling blue eyes. I told her in Spanish that I was about to stick my "cho-co-late" inside of her "va-nilla". Adriana was moist and wet as I thrust roughly and excitedly in and out of her body to satisfy my lustful desire for her sex. I was very turned on by Adriana and so it didn't take me long to sperm inside of her. She faked being upset that I "nutted" so fast LOL! Damn it I love prostitution! Fucking all of these pretty girls all over the world![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manny51;1838604]Hi Haitek!

Great FR on Isla Margarita. I have been following the conversations about Venezuela and Margarita closely, as I am strongly considering a trip there very soon. I am well aware of the advantages of the exchange rate, as well as the crime problem in many parts of the country, especially Caracas. I have every intention of avoiding Caracas if at all possible.

From what I have been learning, Isla Margarita is the most mainstream, tourist-oriented destination within Venezuela (along with Roques). I therefore assume that law enforcement presence is high, and that the airport and other services are geared towards tourism. I was hoping to run a tester trip through Margarita before I tried more mainstream locales like Maracaibo or Canaima. I was hoping to fly directly into and out of I'm, bypassing Caracas completely. There seem to be some direct flights into I'm from Manaus and Port of Spain.

I read your recent trip report with great interest. I hope you don't mind if I pose a few questions.

1. How / where did you enter the country? Direct to I'm or through Caracas?

2. How did you find the airports and customs / immigration at Caracas and / or Margarita?

3. Your report said that you stayed at Villa del Sol in Playa Aqua. Were you happy with the hotel there? Was it safe? Was there a lockable safe in the room? Was Robert (ownership) and the staff there trustworthy? Did some of them speak English? Did you exchange currency with them or did you go to a Casa de Cambio? How did you find the ladies that they had access to?

4. If you could do it over, would you spend all the time in Vila del Sol? Or still go to Porlamar?

5. Of course, one should always take precautions. I have travelled to some dicier parts of the world before. I know that it is probably not completely safe, but did you find I'm overall safe enough? Would you go back again? FYI, I speak only tourist level spanglish.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Manni, to answer a few of your questions. My flight was to CCS early afternoon, I had booked 2 nights in a Hotel in advance. Immigration was OK don't expect smiles, I put the hotel reservation on the counter, I guess they figured I know the procedure and therefore didn't ask. I changed 8000 BsF at Simadi rate (200) at the cambio next to the baggage claim. Passed customs easily. Guys that wanted to talk me taxi, moneychange I just brushed off. Outside the airport are some official airport taxis black SUV's signed as taxi, drivers are wearing blue shirts and a badge with foto. Ride to Chacao was 4000 BfS and took less then 1 hour.

Yes law enforcement is there, but don't expect them to protect tourists.

In my hotel the concierge changed dollars for 800,250 less than dollartoday rate, maybe not the best rate but easy and safe. In venezuela expect every simple thing to be difficult. I bought a movistar sim at Sambil, but to put money in it I had to go to a pharmacy that didn't sell Aspirine but coke altogether it took hours but surprise, no international calls allowed. I had to stay one more night to get a planeticket to PMV at a travel agency; cheap 5000 BfS but again hours although everything was arranged before by telephone / mail.

Again at CCS airport you are hasseled by guys wanting to help you changing money, passing the queue. Just be there early and you will not need them. I had about 150000 BsF in my bacpack because I was worried if I carry to much and they see it doing the x-ray I would be a mark. Although it was a national flight they took fingerprints etc. This to prevent known criminals to get to Isla Margarita. That said, don't think Isla Margarita is safe, right now there is a revolt in a prison" here with the prisoners having better weapons than the police.

Vds is not a hotel it is a posada guesthouse and Robert the owner invites some girls depending on the customers, buttt don't expect it to be the Medellin Mansion. While Haitek was there we had a pool party with some girls but this is as wild as it gets. When there are regular customers expect things to be a lot calmer. Sometimes he had girls staying at Vds but right now he just calls them. Usually they are students that just stay for one hour. Prices are rising I payed 20000 + 5000 taxi if you are lucky you find one that stays for the night or even longer, but usually they have family boyfriend or what so ever. Also expect a lot of changes sometimes just diffrent than the agreed girl shoes up or they want to change the time coming which is not Roberts fault. Just be flexible. They are young 18 22 cute semipros, most of this managed by 1 chica that takes a cut. I would not suggest to pick up girls in the street or random place for safety reasons. I wouldn't do in lets say Pattaya but here I would think your risk is much higher. Read the forum lot of posters think the same.

The place is safe and the staff is trustworthy although only Robert, Volker and Janet speak english, but hey you have to learn some spanish because the chicas do not speak any english. The rooms have a safe but most of them are small, just have a look at there webpage.

Playa el Agua is quiet don't expect a lot to go on. Eastern it will get busier, but that only means more people, not more to do. Usually Robert will offer to take you along on his outings, he is a very nice host but will not be here after eastern for a few month. Yes I changed with him and if he is not there Volker might take care of that I didn't change with him. At casa de cambio you will get Simadi rate only.

To sum it up I'm is not a mongers place as Venezuela in general, it is safer than Caracas you can do some trips to the islands relax and in between get some girls next door type most of them giving you the GFE. I went to the clubs in Porlamar once, but I was less than excited best looks in Harem LD champagne 1500 1 h 25000.

[QUOTE=Smily59;1843567]Manni, to answer a few of your questions. My flight was to CCS early afternoon, I had booked 2 nights in a Hotel in advance. Immigration was OK don't expect smiles, I put the hotel reservation on the counter, I guess they figured I know the procedure and therefore didn't ask. I changed 8000 BsF at Simadi rate (200) at the cambio next to the baggage claim. Passed customs easily. Guys that wanted to talk me taxi, moneychange I just brushed off. Outside the airport are some official airport taxis black SUV's signed as taxi, drivers are wearing blue shirts and a badge with foto. Ride to Chacao was 4000 BfS and took less then 1 hour.

Yes law enforcement is there, but don't expect them to protect tourists.

In my hotel the concierge changed dollars for 800,250 less than dollartoday rate, maybe not the best rate but easy and safe. In venezuela expect every simple thing to be difficult. I bought a movistar sim at Sambil, but to put money in it I had to go to a pharmacy that didn't sell Aspirine but coke altogether it took hours but surprise, no international calls allowed. I had to stay one more night to get a planeticket to PMV at a travel agency; cheap 5000 BfS but again hours although everything was arranged before by telephone / mail.

Again at CCS airport you are hasseled by guys wanting to help you changing money, passing the queue. Just be there early and you will not need them. I had about 150000 BsF in my bacpack because I was worried if I carry to much and they see it doing the x-ray I would be a mark. Although it was a national flight they took fingerprints etc. This to prevent known criminals to get to Isla Margarita. That said, don't think Isla Margarita is safe, right now there is a revolt in a prison" here with the prisoners having better weapons than the police.

Vds is not a hotel it is a posada guesthouse and Robert the owner invites some girls depending on the customers, buttt don't expect it to be the Medellin Mansion. While Haitek was there we had a pool party with some girls but this is as wild as it gets. When there are regular customers expect things to be a lot calmer. Sometimes he had girls staying at Vds but right now he just calls them. Usually they are students that just stay for one hour. Prices are rising I payed 20000 + 5000 taxi if you are lucky you find one that stays for the night or even longer, but usually they have family boyfriend or what so ever. Also expect a lot of changes sometimes just diffrent than the agreed girl shoes up or they want to change the time coming which is not Roberts fault. Just be flexible. They are young 18 22 cute semipros, most of this managed by 1 chica that takes a cut. I would not suggest to pick up girls in the street or random place for safety reasons. I wouldn't do in lets say Pattaya but here I would think your risk is much higher. Read the forum lot of posters think the same.

The place is safe and the staff is trustworthy although only Robert, Volker and Janet speak english, but hey you have to learn some spanish because the chicas do not speak any english. The rooms have a safe but most of them are small, just have a look at there webpage.

Playa el Agua is quiet don't expect a lot to go on. Eastern it will get busier, but that only means more people, not more to do. Usually Robert will offer to take you along on his outings, he is a very nice host but will not be here after eastern for a few month. Yes I changed with him and if he is not there Volker might take care of that I didn't change with him. At casa de cambio you will get Simadi rate only.

To sum it up I'm is not a mongers place as Venezuela in general, it is safer than Caracas you can do some trips to the islands relax and in between get some girls next door type most of them giving you the GFE. I went to the clubs in Porlamar once, but I was less than excited best looks in Harem LD champagne 1500 1 h 25000.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your response. It was very insightful. Given the scarcity of good info on Venezuela, I am sure that others appreciate it too.

I'll keep my expectations in check. The next time I have a week off, I'll take 4 days of it in I'm, giving myself plenty of buffer time for cancellations and problems.

My planned route is through Barcelona. I found a direct flight from Miami to Barcelona. From there I can take a ferry to I'm.

I was with Smily in Isla Margarita in February. Chica's price have sky rocket in Isla Margarita compare to my visit last October.

At Villa del Sol, short time with a chica cost now 15000 to 20000 bolivars (12000 bvs last year). Smiley has summarized the scene in Villa del Sol. Robert, the owner, is a nice and funny guy. He do his best to help you to get the girls (ask him to call Rose Angelis, the ex Miss Margarita !). Many girls go for short time because they have family, kids and boyfriend waiting at home, but I would add that some girls can stay longer there. In February, there was 3/4 girls who stay at the posada and sleep there, they even paid for their room to Robert. After 3 days in Villa del Sol, we invited 3 of them to follow us in a duplex appartment in Porlamar and they agree to come with us (20000 bvs for each first day then 10000 bvs then 10000 bvs the next days).

A escort at Lips Agency cost now 11000 bvs for 60 min (5500 bvs last year).

At Harem club, the most expansive club in Polamar, 60 min with a chica including room cost now 25000 bvs (15000 bvs last year). This time I am disappointed with Harem club, girls are very pro and cold, absolutely no caliente. They are less good looking. The badmaid explain that all stunners went to Panama and Dominican Republica for better money.

At Morrison club, 60 min with a chica including room cost now 12000 bvs (8000 bvs last year). It's still friendly, some girls are really sexy and some absolutely not, but but it depends on the tastes of each. I found at Morrisson a very exotic girl, a metis Venezuelan-malaysian, a girl with a latina body and a asian face.

The Lips / Champagne club is permanently closed.

In Porlamar, we stayed at the Princesa Margarita hotel 50 meters next to the Harem club on the same pavement, we rented a duplex appartment with 2 bed room (1 room on each floor and a living room) for 14000 bvs (they charge 3000 bvs for visiting girl). This is good place to stay in Pormamar, closed to the clubs and safe on day time. There is a very good french restaurant, Le Jardin, accross the road and plenty of shops (including a sex shop where i buy sex toy to play with the girls) and mails around.

With the black market rate exchange, it still not expansive. As remember, 1 dollars = 850/900 bvs.

Check the pictures in the Photo Gallery section.

[QUOTE=Smily59;1843567] ...don't think Isla Margarita is safe, right now there is a revolt in a prison" here with the prisoners having better weapons than the police.

[/QUOTE][URL]http://observers.france24.com/en/20160129-video-armed-inmates-venezuela-prison-san-antonio[/URL]

[URL]http://latincorrespondent.com/2016/02/venezuela-prison-cleared-after-armed-inmate-video-surfaces/[/URL]

I'm trying to make it out to Venezuela from the US. I'm really not trying to go through the visa process though. I know there is no way around it. Can you give some tips on safety there. I might be able to blend in until I open my mouth.

[QUOTE=Haitek;1852068][URL]http://observers.france24.com/en/20160129-video-armed-inmates-venezuela-prison-san-antonio[/URL]

[URL]http://latincorrespondent.com/2016/02/venezuela-prison-cleared-after-armed-inmate-video-surfaces/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Haitek;1851491]I was with Smily in Isla Margarita in February. Chica's price have sky rocket in Isla Margarita compare to my visit last October.

At Villa del Sol, short time with a chica cost now 15000 to 20000 bolivars (12000 bvs last year). Smiley has summarized the scene in Villa del Sol. Robert, the owner, is a nice and funny guy. He do his best to help you to get the girls (ask him to call Rose Angelis, the ex Miss Margarita !). Many girls go for short time because they have family, kids and boyfriend waiting at home, but I would add that some girls can stay longer there. In February, there was 3/4 girls who stay at the posada and sleep there, they even paid for their room to Robert. After 3 days in Villa del Sol, we invited 3 of them to follow us in a duplex appartment in Porlamar and they agree to come with us (20000 bvs for each first day then 10000 bvs then 10000 bvs the next days).

A escort at Lips Agency cost now 11000 bvs for 60 min (5500 bvs last year).

At Harem club, the most expansive club in Polamar, 60 min with a chica including room cost now 25000 bvs (15000 bvs last year). This time I am disappointed with Harem club, girls are very pro and cold, absolutely no caliente. They are less good looking. The badmaid explain that all stunners went to Panama and Dominican Republica for better money.

At Morrison club, 60 min with a chica including room cost now 12000 bvs (8000 bvs last year). It's still friendly, some girls are really sexy and some absolutely not, but but it depends on the tastes of each. I found at Morrisson a very exotic girl, a metis Venezuelan-malaysian, a girl with a latina body and a asian face.

The Lips / Champagne club is permanently closed.

In Porlamar, we stayed at the Princesa Margarita hotel 50 meters next to the Harem club on the same pavement, we rented a duplex appartment with 2 bed room (1 room on each floor and a living room) for 14000 bvs (they charge 3000 bvs for visiting girl). This is good place to stay in Pormamar, closed to the clubs and safe on day time. There is a very good french restaurant, Le Jardin, accross the road and plenty of shops (including a sex shop where i buy sex toy to play with the girls) and mails around.

With the black market rate exchange, it still not expansive. As remember, 1 dollars = 850/900 bvs.[/QUOTE]Great report. Also, on your following report, very interesting articles that you linked. Boy, things look terrible there. I am having second thoughts. Maybe.

Do you think that the crime present at the prisons affects the tourist scene? Would you go again?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Manny51;1852084]Great report. Also, on your following report, very interesting articles that you linked. Boy, things look terrible there. I am having second thoughts. Maybe.

Do you think that the crime present at the prisons affects the tourist scene? Would you go again?

Thanks![/QUOTE]It happen in a prison, far from the tourist scene, beach and clubs. But as Smiley write, it remind you to always be careful in Isla Margarita and everywhere in Venezuela.

Off course I will come back to Venezuela ASAP. Safety is not a problem if you are careful.

[QUOTE=Global00;1852077]I'm trying to make it out to Venezuela from the US. I'm really not trying to go through the visa process though. I know there is no way around it. Can you give some tips on safety there. I might be able to blend in until I open my mouth.[/QUOTE]About safety, read my own posts and Britisher's posts in the Caracas section. To sum up, day time is safe, but the downtown become a ghost town at night time, you have to move only by official taxi or hotel taxi; and never use your credit card, visa or amex, in Venezuela.

It is just a beach town without much action.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1839022]Furthermore, , I was just cruising the Venezuela forum, and I happened on your posts about Puerto la Cruz.

Your reports make this area sound great. I know that there are direct flights from Miami to Barcelona Airport, with tickets purchasable on the website. I think you said that it is a roughly 30 minute trip from the airport to Puerto la Cruz. I was also reading my book here, and it seems that you can catch quick ferries from here to Margarita or Parque Mochima.

How do you think Puerto La Cruz compares to Isla Margarita?

The only downside I can see is that you have to utilize escorts. I don't speak spanish much. The setup at Villa del Sol sounds good to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1852785]It is just a beach town without much action.[/QUOTE] @Manny > Smiley stayed recently in PDC 4 nights, he post a long TR in the PDC section. Check-it. Isla Margarita is a great tourist destination with much beautiful beaches; PDC is a city with a harbor and pollued sea. Lecheiria, closed to PDC, is much better to spend a few days on holidays.

[QUOTE=Haitek;1852913]@Manny > Smiley stayed recently in PDC 4 nights, he post a long TR in the PDC section. Check-it. Isla Margarita is a great tourist destination with much beautiful beaches; PDC is a city with a harbor and pollued sea. Lecheiria, closed to PDC, is much better to spend a few days on holidays.[/QUOTE]Yes the beach in PDC is polluted, but you have the taxi boats which take you out to the small islands outside, about 30 minutes, and there its's fantastic smal beaches for bathing and snorkeling, and small but excellent seafood restaurants. In fackt better than Margarita.

[QUOTE=Vagabond;1853088]Yes the beach in PDC is polluted, but you have the taxi boats which take you out to the small islands outside, about 30 minutes, and there its's fantastic smal beaches for bathing and snorkeling, and small but excellent seafood restaurants. In fackt better than Margarita.[/QUOTE]For me the best are the beaches like Playa Blanca in Mochima National Park. Wildlife is protected, I saw dolphins in the sea. Taxi boat for full day cost only 5000 bolivars. But do not go too far on sea, the area is infested with pirates.

Guys. Any one says that Venezuela is the worst place for poor person to live. I agree 100 percent, but for those who have money. Venezuela can be a Heaven. Most 5 star hotels cost under $50 a night. Girls are less than $15 to $25 an hour. Security oh well. I was out till 11:30 pm last night. Yes I have my private taxi guy who is keeping me in safer areas true, but that is true of even Medellin, Colombia.

In my opinion it is all a Hoax. Yes you may get robbed of a cell phone which I have not scene trace of but yes very possible, but it is possible in many other parts of the world.

I have not scored too many girls as the contacts are thin for now for me but I am here and progressing. I have done only 4 girls so far but all stunners. This place can be a heaven for foreigners who are careful and don't act stupid. If they are smart with how they carry things like no watches and no expensive phone in there hands then all is good.

Two big problems so far currency is worth shit now at $1 = 2000 bolivars. So I have a family type contact now here who is exchanging for me for $1 = 1800 but I get to use his debit card. I don't have to carry wads of cash. Second problem I don't like silicona girls but if I did there is a mountain of them good looking girls here. So It is bit more difficult for me to get some girl here. But when I do it is worth gold. I found 4 good looking ones.

As per safety I hear avoid Caracas rest is all good to go around.

Happy Hunting guys.

[QUOTE=John;1965457]Guys. Any one says that Venezuela is the worst place for poor person to live. I agree 100 percent, but for those who have money. Venezuela can be a Heaven. Most 5 star hotels cost under $50 a night. Girls are less than $15 to $25 an hour. Security oh well. I was out till 11:30 pm last night. Yes I have my private taxi guy who is keeping me in safer areas true, but that is true of even Medellin, Colombia.

In my opinion it is all a Hoax. Yes you may get robbed of a cell phone which I have not scene trace of but yes very possible, but it is possible in many other parts of the world.

I have not scored too many girls as the contacts are thin for now for me but I am here and progressing. I have done only 4 girls so far but all stunners. This place can be a heaven for foreigners who are careful and don't act stupid. If they are smart with how they carry things like no watches and no expensive phone in there hands then all is good.

Two big problems so far currency is worth shit now at $1 = 2000 bolivars. So I have a family type contact now here who is exchanging for me for $1 = 1800 but I get to use his debit card. I don't have to carry wads of cash. Second problem I don't like silicona girls but if I did there is a mountain of them good looking girls here. So It is bit more difficult for me to get some girl here. But when I do it is worth gold. I found 4 good looking ones.

As per safety I hear avoid Caracas rest is all good to go around.

Happy Hunting guys.[/QUOTE]I was there in 2002 windsurfing, is there much of that going on anymore? Did you fly from Miami? I noticed there are rt flights from Miami for under $250. Are there many spinner types that don't have a badonkadonk ass?

I read this article. Sounds like the windsurfing zone has become a party zone! Any action with Venezuelans there?

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/venezuelan-windsurfing-mecca-off-course-el-yaque[/URL]

Bro.

Since I was solo and my main purpose was only mongering I did not do much of Island tourist stuff. I am a canadian citizen but I flew from Medellin, Colombia as I was already there.

Regards,

John.

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;1965495]I was there in 2002 windsurfing, is there much of that going on anymore? Did you fly from Miami? I noticed there are rt flights from Miami for under $250. Are there many spinner types that don't have a badonkadonk ass?[/QUOTE]

Ok Guys.

So there are several options to choose from in Isla. One plain vanila route which is pretty good is the Heren Club. The best Night club in Isla. Where about 8 to 10 girls work any given day. These girls cost 50,000 bolivar ($18), at todays rate of close to 3000 bolivar per dollar for 30 minutes in the room. I have connection for the manager of this club. Girls can come your place during day for about 100,000 bolivar per hour. These are more hard core girls who are used to fucking many guys a day.

Second option is newspaper online adds which cost about 20,000 ($6) bolivar approx per hour. Girls get about 12,000.

Third option is friends who can find you good looking college girls. Some can range from 20,000 bolivar to 50,000 bolivar per hour. I had some super good connections.

Carrying cash in Venezuela now has become impossible. Think of 3 stacks of $1 bills (100 each). And those 3 stacks equal US $10. Plus no one has any more cash. Most people prefer to use debit card. Now as a foreigner you can't open a bank account so until they come up with new bills in December it is now become a necessity to use some one else debit card. So you sell dollar to some one and they will transfer money to your friend account and you then can easily use the funds.

$ today website rate the day I am leaving today is 2,970 to dollar. Best rate I was offered on transfer of funds was 2850 to a dollar. I was in Venezuela from November 17 to November 27. Exactly 10 days. I saw the worse depreciation of any currency in the world. It depreciated from 1900 to $ to 3000.

If any of you are seriously considering going to Isla and need some contacts ask me via PM.

As per safety of this city. It is as safe as medellin, Colombia pretty much where there is crime in certain parts of the city more and in others it is safe.

Happy Hunting.

JOHN.

Hi John,

Seems like you got an early start to a happy new year.

I'm brand new hear and can't figure out how to use PM (I did check the FAQs). Regarding the contacts you mentioned, care to share? I hope to be going in the next few months and want to get squared away before I get there.

Have a great one!

AJ.

[QUOTE=John;1967227]Ok Guys.

So there are several options to choose from in Isla. One plain vanila route which is pretty good is the Heren Club. The best Night club in Isla. Where about 8 to 10 girls work any given day. These girls cost 50,000 bolivar ($18), at todays rate of close to 3000 bolivar per dollar for 30 minutes in the room. I have connection for the manager of this club. Girls can come your place during day for about 100,000 bolivar per hour. These are more hard core girls who are used to fucking many guys a day.

Second option is newspaper online adds which cost about 20,000 ($6) bolivar approx per hour. Girls get about 12,000.

Third option is friends who can find you good looking college girls. Some can range from 20,000 bolivar to 50,000 bolivar per hour. I had some super good connections..[/QUOTE][blue]===============================================

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At mid-May 2017,1 dollar = 5000 bolivars.

All the strip clubs are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue. Opening at 8pm and closed at 3am (on saturday night, the Harem become a normal disco after 3am with full of youg locals and non-pro chicas).

Harem club: 74000 bolivars for short time including room. As I have already written, the Harem's chicas are physically top model, the best looking in Isla Margarita, but they are cold and unfriendly and but most suck with condom.
Morisson club: 32000 bolivars for short time. About 10 chicas everynight with good look, all are friendly; 120000 bolivars for all night up to 6 am.
Mediterraneos 2 : 38000 bolivars for short time if you paid cash, 48000 bolivars if you paid by credit card. About 20 chicas everynight, some are good looking, some are chubby and ugly. Good atmosphere, David the manager can give you a good exchange rate if you have dollars.
Hawaii: 10 up to 15 chicas, big club with a dancing floor. 30000 bolivars for short time.
Lady drink cost 3000 bolivars (the chica get 2000).
After spending 2 or 3 nights in the club with tthe girls, they learn to know you and trust you, and most agree to meet you on day time to have fun in your hotel or on the beach.

[QUOTE=Haitek;2038276]At mid-May 2017,1 dollar = 5000 bolivars.

All the strip clubs are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue. Opening at 8pm and closed at 3am (on saturday night, the Harem become a normal disco after 3am with full of youg locals and non-pro chicas).

Harem club: 74000 bolivars for short time including room. As I have already written, the Harem's chicas are physically top model, the best looking in Isla Margarita, but they are cold and unfriendly and but most suck with condom.
Morisson club: 32000 bolivars for short time. About 10 chicas everynight with good look, all are friendly; 120000 bolivars for all night up to 6 am.
Mediterraneos 2 : 38000 bolivars for short time if you paid cash, 48000 bolivars if you paid by credit card. About 20 chicas everynight, some are good looking, some are chubby and ugly. Good atmosphere, David the manager can give you a good exchange rate if you have dollars.
Hawaii: 10 up to 15 chicas, big club with a dancing floor. 30000 bolivars for short time.
Lady drink cost 3000 bolivars (the chica get 2000).
After spending 2 or 3 nights in the club with tthe girls, they learn to know you and trust you, and most agree to meet you on day time to have fun in your hotel or on the beach.[/QUOTE]The problem is how to get to Isla Margarita: I was planning a trip myself for December and apparently neither Conviasa nor Avior are flying direct from Maiquetia to Porlamar. Help Haitek!

[QUOTE=Tavares;2050333]The problem is how to get to Isla Margarita: I was planning a trip myself for December and apparently neither Conviasa nor Avior are flying direct from Maiquetia to Porlamar. Help Haitek![/QUOTE]You must go to Caracas to catch a flight to Isla Margarita. You may take a bus to Puerto La cruz or Cumana and take a boat to Isla Margarita.

I'm looking for some monger action in south america. Colombia looks pretty open on the web. I can see a ton of fetish like stuff available with a lot of the girls. Should I expect the same in Isla Margarita? Do girls do the crazy stuff like swallow, lick ass, get [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url], do threesomes? How rare are girls who do that kind of stuff?

I also heard some guy got a girl for a week. Stayed at her place. She cooked / cleaned and he just fucked her without condoms whenever he wanted. How rare is it to get that setup?

I'm going to south America soon and there isn't much specific girl service information. Is it hard to get extra monger services like swallow, threesome, ass lick, G shower, etc or is it pretty standard stuff here?

[QUOTE=Duncan216;2074301]I'm going to south America soon and there isn't much specific girl service information. Is it hard to get extra monger services like swallow, threesome, ass lick, G shower, etc or is it pretty standard stuff here?[/QUOTE]Check my pictures in the galery photo thread.

[QUOTE=Haitek;2075204]Check my pictures in the galery photo thread.[/QUOTE]Thanks Haitek, I guess it's pretty common?

I get the black market exchange on facebook or [URL]localbitcoin.com[/URL] for the local currency but I hear there's a shortage of bank notes. Do the locals you guys contact / hotels usually have enough notes? My plan is to visit all the strip clubs (thanks Haitek for the price updates), and sample some escorts. Is there something like [URL]sexycaracas.com[/URL] for Isla Margarita and does anyone have any contacts for cute college girls that they can share? I'm planning to go in November or January (I hear December is dead because of Christmas).

When reading all the forums, it looks like food isn't a problem. It's just toilet paper and tooth paste that's a problem? It doesn't look like I can book a direct or indirect flight from the US so I'm guessing I should just book a flight to Maracaibo and then buy a ticket to isla of margarita while I'm at the Maracaibo airport?

So far from what I've gathered, Caracas is too dangerous (can't go out after dark) so that leaves Isla Margarita, Maracaibo and Puerto La Cruz? Isla Margarita has strip clubs but the other two lack them? Puerto La Cruz has a bar of some kind but [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url] girls frequent there so you got to card them?

Should I bring usd cash, use paypal or use bitcoin for the black market exchange? What's the girl guy ratio in the strip clubs on Isla Margarita?

[QUOTE=Duncan216;2075471]Thanks Haitek, I guess it's pretty common?

I get the black market exchange on facebook or [URL]localbitcoin.com[/URL] for the local currency but I hear there's a shortage of bank notes. Do the locals you guys contact / hotels usually have enough notes? My plan is to visit all the strip clubs (thanks Haitek for the price updates), and sample some escorts. Is there something like [URL]sexycaracas.com[/URL] for Isla Margarita and does anyone have any contacts for cute college girls that they can share? I'm planning to go in November or January (I hear December is dead because of Christmas).

When reading all the forums, it looks like food isn't a problem. It's just toilet paper and tooth paste that's a problem? It doesn't look like I can book a direct or indirect flight from the US so I'm guessing I should just book a flight to Maracaibo and then buy a ticket to isla of margarita while I'm at the Maracaibo airport?

So far from what I've gathered, Caracas is too dangerous (can't go out after dark) so that leaves Isla Margarita, Maracaibo and Puerto La Cruz? Isla Margarita has strip clubs but the other two lack them? Puerto La Cruz has a bar of some kind but ... girls frequent there so you got to card them?

Should I bring usd cash, use paypal or use bitcoin for the black market exchange? What's the girl guy ratio in the strip clubs on Isla Margarita?[/QUOTE]Sex party or Sexo de groupo is common if you have money (of course the girls need to known and trust you as well).

The best option for you is to stay a few first days at Villa del Sol in Isla Margarita. The canadian owner Robert can help you alot, including exchanging your dollars at decent rate (if Robert is in Canada at that time, ask for his assistant Walter).

There was a escort agency in Margarita but it's close now. For college girl or semi-pro, also check with Robert, he known dozens of them.

After a few days at Villa del Sol, you can move to Porlamar where all strip clubs are located.

Toilet paper and tooth paste are not a problem if you have money. In a fist store you may not find those products, but in a second store next to it there are plenty. You have to take time to find the product, that's all.

I come from Europe and never went to Maracaibo. But it happen that I move a lot between the city in Venezuela. If there is no flight, I take a hotel taxi if I'm alone (still cheap thank to black market rate), or a public bus if I'm with a local friend or a chica. Remember this rule: never take the road between city at late afternoon or at night time.

Caracas is dangerous, but it's ok if you move by taxi at night. Also always move by taxi at night anywhere in Venezuela. Only on the paseo of Puerto la Cruz I walk at night because there are still people on the street, and there are plenty of freelancers at Buffalo Grill bar.

Only US dollars in cash, with small note of 10,20 and 50 dollars (many locals do not have much bolivars to exchange more than 20 dollars).

In week day you may be the only guy in the strip club. From Thursday to Saturday, maybe 1 guy for 2 chicas.

[QUOTE=Haitek;2076026]Sex party or Sexo de groupo is common if you have money (of course the girls need to known and trust you as well).

The best option for you is to stay a few first days at Villa del Sol in Isla Margarita. The canadian owner Robert can help you alot, including exchanging your dollars at decent rate (if Robert is in Canada at that time, ask for his assistant Walter).

There was a escort agency in Margarita but it's close now. For college girl or semi-pro, also check with Robert, he known dozens of them.[/QUOTE]Sweet, just emailed them and they said they would assign me someone to a accompany me around the island. Hopefully they don't mean a male tour guide, LOL. I'll email them again. I know mongering is legal there, but can I be direct when emailing them or is it considered rude?

[QUOTE=Haitek;2076026]After a few days at Villa del Sol, you can move to Porlamar where all strip clubs are located.[/QUOTE]Do you have any favorite hotels near the strip clubs? It looks like they are all "sold out" on expedia. Is it unusual to pay in local currency when I get there?

[QUOTE=Haitek;2076026]Toilet paper and tooth paste are not a problem if you have money. In a fist store you may not find those products, but in a second store next to it there are plenty. You have to take time to find the product, that's all.

I come from Europe and never went to Maracaibo. But it happen that I move a lot between the city in Venezuela. If there is no flight, I take a hotel taxi if I'm alone (still cheap thank to black market rate), or a public bus if I'm with a local friend or a chica. Remember this rule: never take the road between city at late afternoon or at night time.

Caracas is dangerous, but it's ok if you move by taxi at night. Also always move by taxi at night anywhere in Venezuela. Only on the paseo of Puerto la Cruz I walk at night because there are still people on the street, and there are plenty of freelancers at Buffalo Grill bar.[/QUOTE]I heard the isle of margarita was pretty safe? Would you walk around at dark in Porlamar? Let's say from the strip club to a restaurant two blocks away?

[QUOTE=Haitek;2076026]Only US dollars in cash, with small note of 10,20 and 50 dollars (many locals do not have much bolivars to exchange more than 20 dollars).[/QUOTE]I read somewhere that the airport security may search through all your stuff and take your dollars. Have you had that happen to you?

[QUOTE=Haitek;2076026]In week day you may be the only guy in the strip club. From Thursday to Saturday, maybe 1 guy for 2 chicas.[/QUOTE]It's hard to find many photos of the talent around Venezuela cities. How would you rank the girls in Porlamar vs the girls in the other cities of Venezuela? How would you rank not getting mugged in Porlamar vs the other cities of Venezuela during the day and during the night? I'm about 6 foot tall and lift weights so I'm guessing I'll stand out a lot and have more chances of getting mugged than the normal person? I heard the best thing to do is put like 10 bucks in local currency in your front pocket and if someone pulls a gun on you, throw the money on the ground and run?

I have to weigh in here.

Mongering in Venezuela is extremely dangerous at this moment in time. First off, the US has no diplomatic relations with Venezuela, and so if you have any problems with authorities, you are on your own, similar to North Korea. More to the point, dollars are only convertible at the official rate, which is pennies on the dollar compared with the black market rate. But, if you get caught with dollars at the airport, you lose them. And ATMs will only give you local money at the official rate, which makes mongering in Venezuela the most expensive in the world.

On top of that, due to its isolation, Isla Margarita is a poor place for the hobby, the few girls there know they have a captive market. I have been all over Venezuela, and am fluent in Spanish, IM is not a good destination unless you are willing to spend crazy money on the few ladies there.

And crime is very serious there.

[QUOTE=Duncan216;2076731]Sweet, just emailed them and they said they would assign me someone to a accompany me around the island. Hopefully they don't mean a male tour guide, LOL. I'll email them again. I know mongering is legal there, but can I be direct when emailing them or is it considered rude?

Do you have any favorite hotels near the strip clubs? It looks like they are all "sold out" on expedia. Is it unusual to pay in local currency when I get there?

I heard the isle of margarita was pretty safe? Would you walk around at dark in Porlamar? Let's say from the strip club to a restaurant two blocks away?

I read somewhere that the airport security may search through all your stuff and take your dollars. Have you had that happen to you?

It's hard to find many photos of the talent around Venezuela cities. How would you rank the girls in Porlamar vs the girls in the other cities of Venezuela? How would you rank not getting mugged in Porlamar vs the other cities of Venezuela during the day and during the night? I'm about 6 foot tall and lift weights so I'm guessing I'll stand out a lot and have more chances of getting mugged than the normal person? I heard the best thing to do is put like 10 bucks in local currency in your front pocket and if someone pulls a gun on you, throw the money on the ground and run?[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha... It's risky to ask directly for a female guide tour, Robert have a 50 years old female assistant, maybe she is the one to answer your mail. Once in Villa del Sol, ask Robert for a female guide with "servicio" (and two female guides if you wish), he will arranged it for you.

My favorite hotel is Princesa Margarita hotel, located 50 meters next to the Harem club on the same pavement of 4 de Mayo avenue. Other great hotel is Venetur Porlamar (ex-Hilton), but you have to take a taxi to visit the club. Do not book on internet and paid in dollar, Porlamar is very quiet and all hotels are empty (exept during big week-end holidays). Always paid in bolivars!

To walk one block on big avenue is ok. But to move to Morrison or other club on small street, take a taxi even for 500 meters!

It's never happen to me at any airport in Venezuela. Importing up to 10000 us dollars is legal, it's mentioned on the customs declaration that you have to fill out. Only risk is getting extort your money on the road between the cities at police or army check-point. Just say you are going to call your embassy and they let go you.

Concerning the beauty of the girls, it is a matter of personal taste.

Porlamar is very safe on day time. Night time is risky, but not much compared to Caracas. Do what the locals do : if you see family with kids on the street, then you can walk; if you see no one, then do not go. In case of theft, do not panic, let the thieves check your pocket and take what they want. And yes, if they find 10 dollars in your front pocket, they are happy and they are the ones running fast.

Anyway, if you stay at Villa del Sol, Robert will give you all support you need.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2076852]I have to weigh in here.

Mongering in Venezuela is extremely dangerous at this moment in time. First off, the US has no diplomatic relations with Venezuela, and so if you have any problems with authorities, you are on your own, similar to North Korea...
I have been all over Venezuela, and am fluent in Spanish... [/QUOTE]

US consulat in Caracas: [URL]https://ve.usembassy.gov/[/URL].

You have been all over Venezuela, this would be great to post your reports to help us, thank.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2076852]I have to weigh in here.

Mongering in Venezuela is extremely dangerous at this moment in time. First off, the US has no diplomatic relations with Venezuela, and so if you have any problems with authorities, you are on your own, similar to North Korea. More to the point, dollars are only convertible at the official rate, which is pennies on the dollar compared with the black market rate. But, if you get caught with dollars at the airport, you lose them. And ATMs will only give you local money at the official rate, which makes mongering in Venezuela the most expensive in the world.

On top of that, due to its isolation, Isla Margarita is a poor place for the hobby, the few girls there know they have a captive market. I have been all over Venezuela, and am fluent in Spanish, IM is not a good destination unless you are willing to spend crazy money on the few ladies there.

And crime is very serious there.[/QUOTE]You are comparing prices to the official rate which no one with any sense and US Dollars would use to change their money. Using the black market rate makes Venezuela one of the cheapest places in the world to visit. I have not traveled all over Venezuela but, I have been to a few cities including Maracaibo. By using basic common sense the country is safe.

No one at the airport is going to take your US dollars unless they have true reason to suspect your are entering the country to commit a crime or launder money. Again, use common sense don't flaunt your money, don't talk loud, be respectful, don't have $100,000 taped to your stomach when going through immigration.

I am sure where ever you are from you wouldn't do things in bad areas which would cause attention to be drawn to you so just do the same in Venezuela and you will be fine.

[QUOTE=Haitek;2038276]At mid-May 2017,1 dollar = 5000 bolivars.

All the strip clubs are located around de 4 de Mayo Avenue. Opening at 8pm and closed at 3am (on saturday night, the Harem become a normal disco after 3am with full of youg locals and non-pro chicas).

Harem club: 74000 bolivars for short time including room. As I have already written, the Harem's chicas are physically top model, the best looking in Isla Margarita, but they are cold and unfriendly and but most suck with condom.
Morisson club: 32000 bolivars for short time. About 10 chicas everynight with good look, all are friendly; 120000 bolivars for all night up to 6 am.
Mediterraneos 2 : 38000 bolivars for short time if you paid cash, 48000 bolivars if you paid by credit card. About 20 chicas everynight, some are good looking, some are chubby and ugly. Good atmosphere, David the manager can give you a good exchange rate if you have dollars.
Hawaii: 10 up to 15 chicas, big club with a dancing floor. 30000 bolivars for short time.
Lady drink cost 3000 bolivars (the chica get 2000).
After spending 2 or 3 nights in the club with tthe girls, they learn to know you and trust you, and most agree to meet you on day time to have fun in your hotel or on the beach.[/QUOTE]Hi newbie here,

I'm coming on Sunday I'll be staying at either Palm Beach Hotel or Portifino and was wondering which strips clubs are closest to the hotels? Dolartoday has the exchange at 29,000 $1 will I get anything close to that? Any other tips or advice you can give?

[QUOTE=WetMan99;2091431]Hi newbie here,

I'm coming on Sunday I'll be staying at either Palm Beach Hotel or Portifino and was wondering which strips clubs are closest to the hotels? Dolartoday has the exchange at 29,000 $1 will I get anything close to that? Any other tips or advice you can give?[/QUOTE]For cash, you should get around 24000 = 1 dollar. Enjoy Margarita!

Had been reading this forum and decided I'd like to explore Venezuela. Did a lot of research so kind of knew how to prepare beforehand for money, transfers and a debit card.

My trip was from Nov 27 till Dec 3. (Monday to Sunday). I'm 35, and my Spanish is pretty good and have been to Colombia 3 times, and other Latin places a few times too, so I thought I'd take the next step.

Did a pre-search on tinder and some on Seeking arrangement and matched with a bunch in the Puerto la Cruz and Barcelona area. Also had a few in Isla margarita but not that many. One that did match told me she would help me with her dad's debit card and try and arrange for some cash. It turned out she would be out of town the week I was there so she gave me her sisters number who was also super-hot but I didn't expect to have relations with her (more on that later).

I booked an Airbnb in Porlamar next to La Samanna hotel which is about a 5 min walk from La Vela mall. Cost was about $160 usd and the apartment was in a nice building with a pool, doorman, balcony, 1 bedroom, 2 washrooms, a kitchen, den and DirecTV. After checking out, the Airbnb guy said if I paid in bolivares it would be about 30 $ for the 6 days. Since I had no option of doing that pre-trip I was ok with paying the 160 $. Have his number for next time.

The following is a very detailed report of my time there. Not just about P4P's as I believe this will help others in planning and getting an idea of how things work in Isla margarita, and Venezuela in general.

1ST DAY (Monday).

Reached the airport of Porlamar at about 4 pm and had Airbnb guy send a taxi from there to the airport. He said he would pay the taxi and when I had my debit card I could do transfer. Cost was 100.000,00 bolvares (about $1. 25) at that days exchange rate. Check in was easy and the Airbnb guy left in about 20 min after showing me around.

I was in contact with the tinder girls sister (let's call her Tinder girl) and she said she would reach my apartment at about 5 pm which would give me enough time to shower and change. She arrives and she's a 19 year old hottie. Huge 36 the breasts. She also has a cute friend with her who seemed young but was also 19. No problems with the doorman letting either of them in. She said her dad didn't find the card and she had about 50 k cash with her which is pretty much nothing. She did promise that tomorrow in the morning she'd have her dad's card and we would go get cash. So I said ok that's fine. And said let's go eat something. There was a pizza place (La Romana) nearby so we decided to walk there due to our lack of cash. The other girl said she's leaving her phone at the apartment because she recently got hers stolen. I decided to take the risk and took my Samsung S7 with me. The servers said they don't accept USD at all so they asked some customers if they would take it and pay the pizzeria. One agreed to take 10 $usd and pay 700 k for us. At this day the DolarToday rate was about 85 k so we said that's fine as we had no option. We all ordered a lot of good quality food and drinks, and still had some money left so took some water bottles to go. This is when I first realized 10 $ goes a long way there. After dinner we walked home at about 9 pm which wasn't recommended but it was a 5 min walk and we had no choice. After that the girls decided to head home and the tinder girl would meet me in the morning. Since I had a long travel day (left Bogota at 7 am after a heavy night of drinking) and no cash or debit, I decided to call it an early night.

2ND DAY (Tuesday).

Next day tinder girl reached at 10 am as promised with her dad's debit card (tarjeta) from Banesco. She gave me the online banking PWD as well as the cedula # of her dad. We had to send a pic of the cash to the money changer as he needed proof that we had 100 $ bills. I decided to change $300. The DolarToday rate was 85 k and I got 78 k for the transfer. All in her dad's account. I did for a moment think that she might scam me but I basically didn't have much choice. So we changed the money at a cell phone shop then to another Gold buying place to change 30 $ for cash. The max amount they would give was 150 k in cash (in small bills. See pic#1) and the rest in transfer to the tarjeta. We at least had cash for taxis and the debit card to pay for stuff. The transferencia didn't work the first day as there was a problem with the dad's email but worked the next day onwards without a problem. We then had a great meal with wine and beers in the Centro area for about 200 k. We headed home and then she wished me good luck and headed home too. She gave me a taxi guys number who accepted transferecia and would be available 24 hours a day for me with a half hour notice.

I took a nap and then at about 10 pm headed to Haren with the taxi guy. I told him to come in and hang out with me as well and he did. Lot of cute girls, I would say a lot of 7's and a couple of 8's. I had drinks with a couple girls. They usually ask for a champagne bottle which is about 200 k (the girls get 60 k) so I said ok to whoever was sitting with me for more than a couple min. I was drinking a lot too and got hungry so one of the huge bodyguards said there was street food outside so I went with him. This is on 4 de mayo at about 2 am so wouldn't recommend to doing it alone but I decided to go. Met 2 girls working at another club outside and since I wanted company I offered to pay for their food. Total for 5 hamburgers was really cheap (I think 200 k). The girls themselves were not pretty at all (3-4's at best). One said she could get me bolivares cash in big bills next day so I took her number and said sure. After eating went back to Haren and found a light skinned spinner (Kendra) who was an 8 and decided to take her. I'm pretty sure I overpaid as I was drunk and the bodyguard knew that. Total was 4 million bolivares (50 $). We took a cab home and the sex was awesome. Without much pressure of me asking she did BBBJ as well as bareback sex. She left at about 7 am because she had something to do. Took her number for later and told her to come back when she's free.

3RD DAY (Wednesday).

Woke up at about noon, and walked to the mall for some food, and to get a SIM. It was about 40 k to get a line with about 2 GB, so definitely better than paying for the Roaming that I was. Also booked a massage at a spa there for later in the evening for 150 k. BTW, the mall is almost like any in North America, with big brand names, clean, nice food court etc. Wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while walking around there.

Anyways, headed back, and messaged an agency that I saw on some Anuncia website, and got them to send me a girl after looking at a couple of pics. Cost was 620 k with taxi for 3 hours. Paid by transferencia. The girl was very good looking (pics attached) and gave me BBBJ no prob. I was too tired from the night before so that's all I did, then she massaged me for a while. After that, I took her to a very nice restaurant nearby La Vaquera. We ordered steaks and beer, and she got something to go for home, and the total was probably around 900 k. She then took a cab home for which I paid about 20 k in transferencia since I was pretty much out of cash now.

In the meantime, the tinder girl from the first day messaged me and asked if I wanted to go to bar / lounge this evening. I said sure, and she said she'the come pick me up with the taxi guy at around 11 pm. She comes, and is looking awesome, and we go to a place called Green Martini. Again this is a great bar / lounge and wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while inside here. We dance, drink and eventually make out as well, so I'm feeling pretty good. We leave at like 3 am, and she invites herself to come upstairs and continue drinking, so I said of course. Once upstairs, wasn't a lot of drinking, but make out and then head to the bed to continue further. She was super awesome (some pics attached without her face). Also wasn't too hard to get bareback sex with her.

4TH DAY (Thursday).

Was still with the tinder girl in the morning, so we decided to head to the beach (Playa Parguito). Was about a half hour drive. Stayed there for a few hours and drank, ate, got massages, and probably paid about 1 million bolivares (about 15 $). She got dropped off at her house on her way home, but we made plans to go to another club at night. I go home and take a nap to recover.

She comes picks me up at like 1030 pm, and we are going to Bora Bora its Thursday, and that's ladies night, where all women drink for free! Place was huge and packed by 12, and this was more like a true nightclub. She had a couple of friends with her and I was dancing with all of them (reggaeton grinding kinda dance). I ordered a bottle of vodka and some food, and was about 5-6 of us, 1 other guy and the rest girls. After a while, they said this other place is better, and we should go there. So we take a cab to Loft, which was smaller, but stays open till about 5-6 am. Again got bottles / cokes / red bulls / juices and went to VIP. Left at about 6 am, and my bill was probably 3-4 million (40-50 $) for the both places. At the end, the tinder girl said she had university at 9 am, and had to go home, so I went and slept, which wasn't too bad as I had a big day the next day.

5TH Day (Friday).

Today was the day that my Seeking Arrangement girl was coming from Cumana, about 3 hours or so away in a ferry. She was bringing a friend as she didn't want to travel alone, and I was fine with that. She never brought up money or anything, so I didn't know what to expect. I did pay for her ferry ride, which about 400 k, and also told her to bring some cash. She said she found someone who could give 1 million bolivares in cash for 1. 32 million. I agreed to that, since I had pretty much no cash. She would be here by around 11 pm at night, so I had a full day to myself.

1st, I wanted to get some more money in my account, so I asked the tinder girl if she knew anyone who could accept PayPal and then transfer to the account. She found someone who could give 95 k per dollar (DolarToday rate was about 105 k), so I accepted and sent over 100 $ to get 9.5 million BVF. 2nd, I messaged that girl I met on the street outside of Haren, as she said she could give me 1.35 million BVF cash for $20, and in big bills, so I definitely wanted that. She came over to do the exchange and actually gave me a nice massage too. I didn't want to do anything else with her as I wasn't attracted to her at all.

After getting all this cash situation out of the way, I called the Haren girl again (Kendra). She came by at about 3 pm and looked better than before. We hung out at the pool for a bit, then went back to the apartment. Good DFK, foreplay, and eventually bareback sex again. One of the better sessions I have had. I transferred her 500 k, and she was happy about that. We took a cab, I went to the mall, and she back to her place.

One of the girls at the Bora Bora club, who was with the tinder girl messaged me and asked if I wanted to come to the mall and meet up, since she worked there, and was free till 7 pm. So I said sure, and met up with her and had a nice pizza meal. She was down to meet up later after work, but I told her I that probably wasn't going to be possible.

While waiting for the SA girls to come, I went to another club near my place, 1900. It was also packed, but I was solo and didn't want to hit on any girls that might be taken etc. , so just had a few drinks and then went back. My taxi guy went to pick up the 2 girls from the ferry port, so he gave me a heads-up when they were about 15 min away. The SA girl (24 years old) was very nice and her friend average. She gave me the 1 million in cash as soon as she unpacked. I told them to change, and then headed to Loft again, the same place as the night before. Another night of drinking and dancing, and we head home at about 5 am. The friend sleeps on the couch, and the other with me, and we were pretty drunk but did end up having sex before passing out.

6TH DAY (Saturday).

I was pretty burnt out with late nights and excessive drinking, so wanted to have a relaxed beach day again with these 2. Didn't do much, went to the mall and ate etc. , they were really happy that I was spoiling them, even though it was costing me practically nothing. I did want to get some more money so asked them if they knew of any PayPal transfer guys. (didn't want to ask original tinder girl because she was kinda pissed I was blowing her off). They did say that someone would take cash instead, and I could pay them and they would take it back to Cumana. So got $100 changed for 95 k again (DolarToday rate was still about 105 k). The plan was to go out at night again, but all of us were tired, and just decided to stay home and drink, and chat. Learned a lot about Venezuela in the convo with these 2. One was a doctor, and the other a psychologist, so they were pretty smart.

7TH DAY (Sunday).

Not much happened this day, my flight was at 3 pm, their ferry was at 5 pm. My taxi guy would drop the both of us. Did some shopping for jerseys for me, and got them some Vodka and Cacique and chocolates that made them super happy. I had about 8 million left in my account, so I told the SA girl, I'll give her 4 million, and that made her really happy. The other 4 million I left for the tinder girl, for helping me with her dad's card. I met the tinder girl at the airport to drop of the card and thank her.

So there you go, my trip was awesome. I was expecting it to be way more dangerous than it was (it might still be, and I got lucky with doing what I did). I knew money would be an issue, and it definitely was, but I was able to overcome that. I knew it would be only Spanish there, and it was, don't think I spoke any English in the week I was there.

I do have more contacts now, of people willing to lend me their debit card, taxi guys, girls, bartenders etc. And will definably go again soon, and have a better idea what to expect.

Let me know if anyone has any questions or wants any contact info in Porlamar / Margarita.

[QUOTE=Jasoonnn;2119100]Had been reading this forum and decided I'd like to explore Venezuela. Did a lot of research so kind of knew how to prepare beforehand for money, transfers and a debit card.

My trip was from Nov 27 till Dec 3. (Monday to Sunday). I'm 35, and my Spanish is pretty good and have been to Colombia 3 times, and other Latin places a few times too, so I thought I'd take the next step.

Did a pre-search on tinder and some on Seeking arrangement and matched with a bunch in the Puerto la Cruz and Barcelona area. Also had a few in Isla margarita but not that many. One that did match told me she would help me with her dad's debit card and try and arrange for some cash. It turned out she would be out of town the week I was there so she gave me her sisters number who was also super-hot but I didn't expect to have relations with her (more on that later).

I booked an Airbnb in Porlamar next to La Samanna hotel which is about a 5 min walk from La Vela mall. Cost was about $160 usd and the apartment was in a nice building with a pool, doorman, balcony, 1 bedroom, 2 washrooms, a kitchen, den and DirecTV. After checking out, the Airbnb guy said if I paid in bolivares it would be about 30 $ for the 6 days. Since I had no option of doing that pre-trip I was ok with paying the 160 $. Have his number for next time.

The following is a very detailed report of my time there. Not just about P4P's as I believe this will help others in planning and getting an idea of how things work in Isla margarita, and Venezuela in general.

1ST DAY (Monday).

Reached the airport of Porlamar at about 4 pm and had Airbnb guy send a taxi from there to the airport. He said he would pay the taxi and when I had my debit card I could do transfer. Cost was 100.000,00 bolvares (about $1. 25) at that days exchange rate. Check in was easy and the Airbnb guy left in about 20 min after showing me around.

I was in contact with the tinder girls sister (let's call her Tinder girl) and she said she would reach my apartment at about 5 pm which would give me enough time to shower and change. She arrives and she's a 19 year old hottie. Huge 36 the breasts. She also has a cute friend with her who seemed young but was also 19. No problems with the doorman letting either of them in. She said her dad didn't find the card and she had about 50 k cash with her which is pretty much nothing. She did promise that tomorrow in the morning she'd have her dad's card and we would go get cash. So I said ok that's fine. And said let's go eat something. There was a pizza place (La Romana) nearby so we decided to walk there due to our lack of cash. The other girl said she's leaving her phone at the apartment because she recently got hers stolen. I decided to take the risk and took my Samsung S7 with me. The servers said they don't accept USD at all so they asked some customers if they would take it and pay the pizzeria. One agreed to take 10 $usd and pay 700 k for us. At this day the DolarToday rate was about 85 k so we said that's fine as we had no option. We all ordered a lot of good quality food and drinks, and still had some money left so took some water bottles to go. This is when I first realized 10 $ goes a long way there. After dinner we walked home at about 9 pm which wasn't recommended but it was a 5 min walk and we had no choice. After that the girls decided to head home and the tinder girl would meet me in the morning. Since I had a long travel day (left Bogota at 7 am after a heavy night of drinking) and no cash or debit, I decided to call it an early night.

2ND DAY (Tuesday).

Next day tinder girl reached at 10 am as promised with her dad's debit card (tarjeta) from Banesco. She gave me the online banking PWD as well as the cedula # of her dad. We had to send a pic of the cash to the money changer as he needed proof that we had 100 $ bills. I decided to change $300. The DolarToday rate was 85 k and I got 78 k for the transfer. All in her dad's account. I did for a moment think that she might scam me but I basically didn't have much choice. So we changed the money at a cell phone shop then to another Gold buying place to change 30 $ for cash. The max amount they would give was 150 k in cash (in small bills. See pic#1) and the rest in transfer to the tarjeta. We at least had cash for taxis and the debit card to pay for stuff. The transferencia didn't work the first day as there was a problem with the dad's email but worked the next day onwards without a problem. We then had a great meal with wine and beers in the Centro area for about 200 k. We headed home and then she wished me good luck and headed home too. She gave me a taxi guys number who accepted transferecia and would be available 24 hours a day for me with a half hour notice.

I took a nap and then at about 10 pm headed to Haren with the taxi guy. I told him to come in and hang out with me as well and he did. Lot of cute girls, I would say a lot of 7's and a couple of 8's. I had drinks with a couple girls. They usually ask for a champagne bottle which is about 200 k (the girls get 60 k) so I said ok to whoever was sitting with me for more than a couple min. I was drinking a lot too and got hungry so one of the huge bodyguards said there was street food outside so I went with him. This is on 4 de mayo at about 2 am so wouldn't recommend to doing it alone but I decided to go. Met 2 girls working at another club outside and since I wanted company I offered to pay for their food. Total for 5 hamburgers was really cheap (I think 200 k). The girls themselves were not pretty at all (3-4's at best). One said she could get me bolivares cash in big bills next day so I took her number and said sure. After eating went back to Haren and found a light skinned spinner (Kendra) who was an 8 and decided to take her. I'm pretty sure I overpaid as I was drunk and the bodyguard knew that. Total was 4 million bolivares (50 $). We took a cab home and the sex was awesome. Without much pressure of me asking she did BBBJ as well as bareback sex. She left at about 7 am because she had something to do. Took her number for later and told her to come back when she's free.

3RD DAY (Wednesday).

Woke up at about noon, and walked to the mall for some food, and to get a SIM. It was about 40 k to get a line with about 2 GB, so definitely better than paying for the Roaming that I was. Also booked a massage at a spa there for later in the evening for 150 k. BTW, the mall is almost like any in North America, with big brand names, clean, nice food court etc. Wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while walking around there.

Anyways, headed back, and messaged an agency that I saw on some Anuncia website, and got them to send me a girl after looking at a couple of pics. Cost was 620 k with taxi for 3 hours. Paid by transferencia. The girl was very good looking (pics attached) and gave me BBBJ no prob. I was too tired from the night before so that's all I did, then she massaged me for a while. After that, I took her to a very nice restaurant nearby La Vaquera. We ordered steaks and beer, and she got something to go for home, and the total was probably around 900 k. She then took a cab home for which I paid about 20 k in transferencia since I was pretty much out of cash now.

In the meantime, the tinder girl from the first day messaged me and asked if I wanted to go to bar / lounge this evening. I said sure, and she said she'the come pick me up with the taxi guy at around 11 pm. She comes, and is looking awesome, and we go to a place called Green Martini. Again this is a great bar / lounge and wouldn't think you're in Venezuela while inside here. We dance, drink and eventually make out as well, so I'm feeling pretty good. We leave at like 3 am, and she invites herself to come upstairs and continue drinking, so I said of course. Once upstairs, wasn't a lot of drinking, but make out and then head to the bed to continue further. She was super awesome (some pics attached without her face). Also wasn't too hard to get bareback sex with her.

4TH DAY (Thursday).

Was still with the tinder girl in the morning, so we decided to head to the beach (Playa Parguito). Was about a half hour drive. Stayed there for a few hours and drank, ate, got massages, and probably paid about 1 million bolivares (about 15 $). She got dropped off at her house on her way home, but we made plans to go to another club at night. I go home and take a nap to recover.

She comes picks me up at like 1030 pm, and we are going to Bora Bora its Thursday, and that's ladies night, where all women drink for free! Place was huge and packed by 12, and this was more like a true nightclub. She had a couple of friends with her and I was dancing with all of them (reggaeton grinding kinda dance). I ordered a bottle of vodka and some food, and was about 5-6 of us, 1 other guy and the rest girls. After a while, they said this other place is better, and we should go there. So we take a cab to Loft, which was smaller, but stays open till about 5-6 am. Again got bottles / cokes / red bulls / juices and went to VIP. Left at about 6 am, and my bill was probably 3-4 million (40-50 $) for the both places. At the end, the tinder girl said she had university at 9 am, and had to go home, so I went and slept, which wasn't too bad as I had a big day the next day.

5TH Day (Friday).

Today was the day that my Seeking Arrangement girl was coming from Cumana, about 3 hours or so away in a ferry. She was bringing a friend as she didn't want to travel alone, and I was fine with that. She never brought up money or anything, so I didn't know what to expect. I did pay for her ferry ride, which about 400 k, and also told her to bring some cash. She said she found someone who could give 1 million bolivares in cash for 1. 32 million. I agreed to that, since I had pretty much no cash. She would be here by around 11 pm at night, so I had a full day to myself.

1st, I wanted to get some more money in my account, so I asked the tinder girl if she knew anyone who could accept PayPal and then transfer to the account. She found someone who could give 95 k per dollar (DolarToday rate was about 105 k), so I accepted and sent over 100 $ to get 9.5 million BVF. 2nd, I messaged that girl I met on the street outside of Haren, as she said she could give me 1.35 million BVF cash for $20, and in big bills, so I definitely wanted that. She came over to do the exchange and actually gave me a nice massage too. I didn't want to do anything else with her as I wasn't attracted to her at all.

After getting all this cash situation out of the way, I called the Haren girl again (Kendra). She came by at about 3 pm and looked better than before. We hung out at the pool for a bit, then went back to the apartment. Good DFK, foreplay, and eventually bareback sex again. One of the better sessions I have had. I transferred her 500 k, and she was happy about that. We took a cab, I went to the mall, and she back to her place.

One of the girls at the Bora Bora club, who was with the tinder girl messaged me and asked if I wanted to come to the mall and meet up, since she worked there, and was free till 7 pm. So I said sure, and met up with her and had a nice pizza meal. She was down to meet up later after work, but I told her I that probably wasn't going to be possible.

While waiting for the SA girls to come, I went to another club near my place, 1900. It was also packed, but I was solo and didn't want to hit on any girls that might be taken etc. , so just had a few drinks and then went back. My taxi guy went to pick up the 2 girls from the ferry port, so he gave me a heads-up when they were about 15 min away. The SA girl (24 years old) was very nice and her friend average. She gave me the 1 million in cash as soon as she unpacked. I told them to change, and then headed to Loft again, the same place as the night before. Another night of drinking and dancing, and we head home at about 5 am. The friend sleeps on the couch, and the other with me, and we were pretty drunk but did end up having sex before passing out.

6TH DAY (Saturday).

I was pretty burnt out with late nights and excessive drinking, so wanted to have a relaxed beach day again with these 2. Didn't do much, went to the mall and ate etc. , they were really happy that I was spoiling them, even though it was costing me practically nothing. I did want to get some more money so asked them if they knew of any PayPal transfer guys. (didn't want to ask original tinder girl because she was kinda pissed I was blowing her off). They did say that someone would take cash instead, and I could pay them and they would take it back to Cumana. So got $100 changed for 95 k again (DolarToday rate was still about 105 k). The plan was to go out at night again, but all of us were tired, and just decided to stay home and drink, and chat. Learned a lot about Venezuela in the convo with these 2. One was a doctor, and the other a psychologist, so they were pretty smart.

7TH DAY (Sunday).

Not much happened this day, my flight was at 3 pm, their ferry was at 5 pm. My taxi guy would drop the both of us. Did some shopping for jerseys for me, and got them some Vodka and Cacique and chocolates that made them super happy. I had about 8 million left in my account, so I told the SA girl, I'll give her 4 million, and that made her really happy. The other 4 million I left for the tinder girl, for helping me with her dad's card. I met the tinder girl at the airport to drop of the card and thank her.

So there you go, my trip was awesome. I was expecting it to be way more dangerous than it was (it might still be, and I got lucky with doing what I did). I knew money would be an issue, and it definitely was, but I was able to overcome that. I knew it would be only Spanish there, and it was, don't think I spoke any English in the week I was there.

I do have more contacts now, of people willing to lend me their debit card, taxi guys, girls, bartenders etc. And will definably go again soon, and have a better idea what to expect.

Let me know if anyone has any questions or wants any contact info in Porlamar / Margarita.[/QUOTE]Great report Jasoonnn, but how did you get to Porlamar? It seems pretty impossible these days to book on line a domestic flight in Venezuela.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2120655]Great report Jasoonnn, but how did you get to Porlamar? It seems pretty impossible these days to book on line a domestic flight in Venezuela.[/QUOTE]I had first booked a flight from Toronto to Bogota. Then called up Aviórair and got a Bogotoa-Porlamar flight with a stopover in Valencia. It was about 350 $. I had booked about 3 weeks in advance so there were some options available for me. Other options might be to get a flight to Barcelona and take a ferry to Margarita.

Jason, thanks for this post. You've earned my admiration. I was wondering what your nationality is? I'm from the USA and wondering if you were as well and what your experience might have been like getting a visa for Venezuela. The USA and Venezuela aren't on the best of terms right now.

[QUOTE=Jasoonnn;2119100]Had been reading this forum and decided I'd like to explore Venezuela. Did a lot of research so kind of knew how to prepare beforehand for money, transfers and a debit card.

My trip was from Nov 27 till Dec 3. (Monday to Sunday). I'm 35, and my Spanish is pretty good and have been to Colombia 3 times, and other Latin places a few times too, so I thought I'd take the next step.

Did a pre-search on tinder and some on Seeking arrangement and matched with a bunch in the Puerto la Cruz and Barcelona area. Also had a few in Isla margarita but not that many. One that did match told me she would help me with her dad's debit card and try and arrange for some cash. It turned out she would be out of town the week I was there so she gave me her sisters number who was also super-hot but I didn't expect to have relations with her (more on that later).\[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2120881]Jason, thanks for this post. You've earned my admiration. I was wondering what your nationality is? I'm from the USA and wondering if you were as well and what your experience might have been like getting a visa for Venezuela. The USA and Venezuela aren't on the best of terms right now.[/QUOTE]Thanks Kazeu. I'm Canadian so didn't need a visa. I am allowed 90 days from the day of landing. I can't really comment on US visas and didn't see or meet any Americans while I was there.

In the General thread there is some talk about US visas so maybe that might help.

[QUOTE=Jasoonnn;2121062]Thanks Kazeu. I'm Canadian so didn't need a visa. I am allowed 90 days from the day of landing. I can't really comment on US visas and didn't see or meet any Americans while I was there.

In the General thread there is some talk about US visas so maybe that might help.[/QUOTE]You were lucky Jasoonnn! After this diplomatic row between Canada and Vzla with the reciprocal expulsion of ambassadors, canadians most probably will soon need a visa for Vzla.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2121189]You were lucky Jasoonnn! After this diplomatic row between Canada and Vzla with the reciprocal expulsion of ambassadors, canadians most probably will soon need a visa for Vzla.[/QUOTE]I just saw that as well. Hope they resolve it without Visa restrictions, was looking forward to going back to Vzla soon.

[QUOTE=Jasoonnn;2121327]I just saw that as well. Hope they resolve it without Visa restrictions, was looking forward to going back to Vzla soon.[/QUOTE]I understand you very well, Jasoonnn, after the great week you spent in Porlamar.

Apparently there is a canadian living there who owns a hotel and helps his guests. Sent an e-mail a few months ago but never got any reply. I would like to go there myself, but to get from Europe to IsMargarita is a nightmare and to be frank I do not trust Avior: 35 year old planes, lack of spare parts, cancelled flights a. S. o.

As far as Conviasa is concerned, forget about buying a ticket on line. And at their counters either!

I once did Caracas-Puerto la Cruz by road and then crossed by ferry to Margarita. Everything was perfect but that was a looong time ago, in 1998.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2121334]I understand you very well, Jasoonnn, after the great week you spent in Porlamar.

Apparently there is a canadian living there who owns a hotel and helps his guests. Sent an e-mail a few months ago but never got any reply. I would like to go there myself, but to get from Europe to IsMargarita is a nightmare and to be frank I do not trust Avior: 35 year old planes, lack of spare parts, cancelled flights a. S. o.

As far as Conviasa is concerned, forget about buying a ticket on line. And at their counters either!

I once did Caracas-Puerto la Cruz by road and then crossed by ferry to Margarita. Everything was perfect but that was a looong time ago, in 1998.[/QUOTE]I know Ferries are an option from Puerto la Cruz or Cumana, so maybe try and get a flight until there.

This is the link for Conferry, with their updated schedules: [URL]https://twitter.com/lanuevaconferry?lang=en[/URL].

Just got back from Margarita again. This time I went with a friend, and was even better. To sum up quickly:.

- Still a GREAT place to visit.

- Still pretty safe place, but of course be vigilant. We always had a couple of locals with us at night, and walked around a bit too. But still no chains / watches / rings etc, to be safe.

- Still not a lot of BVF cash, so NEED a bank card to be able to do anything.

- On the last day I was able to change the dollar for 254 each. The best rate is for 100's and 50's, then goes lower for the 20's and 10's. I was able to get 100.000 bvf for a dollar bill from some bouncers or bathroom stall guys.

- I took a lot of smaller USD bills this time for tips, or for cabs that didn't take transferencia.

- Made some guy friends, who got some of his university girl friends to come party with us at the house and at a couple of the clubs. A night out with 3 bottles, food and drinks + "green and white" for about 8 people cost us about 100 $ at the top club (bora bora).

- One of the male friends spoke English, so my friend (who didn't speak any Spanish) hired him for 500.000 per day to help him translate when he was with girls.

- Had a taxi guy with us when we needed him for about $5 a day (could have negotiated cheaper but he was an awesome guy and had good connections to keep us safe).

- Only had the chance to get one Pro, and I think it was 5. 000.000 ($25) to take out 2 of them from (one for my friend) Mediterranean.

- Most of the other lucky ladies were contacts I had from earlier, or met at clubs, or through guy friends there.

- I paid (a lot) to get a RIF, and was able to open my own bank account now. This helps as I'm looking to go there more often as well as do some business there.

- We had a big lunch with 8 people at a great resto by the water (El Fondeadero), with a mix of steak / pasta / chicken / fish, plus wine, beers, juice etc, and the total came out to under 5. 000.000 ($20).

That is all I can remember for now, but Margarita is a great place. Can't get this type of value for money anywhere in this world that I can think of, at least not in the western hemisphere.

Any questions, fire away!

[QUOTE=Jasoonnn;2134915]Just got back from Margarita again. This time I went with a friend, and was even better. To sum up quickly:.

- Still a GREAT place to visit.

- Still pretty safe place, but of course be vigilant. We always had a couple of locals with us at night, and walked around a bit too. But still no chains / watches / rings etc, to be safe.

- Still not a lot of BVF cash, so NEED a bank card to be able to do anything.

- On the last day I was able to change the dollar for 254 each. The best rate is for 100's and 50's, then goes lower for the 20's and 10's. I was able to get 100.000 bvf for a dollar bill from some bouncers or bathroom stall guys.

- I took a lot of smaller USD bills this time for tips, or for cabs that didn't take transferencia.

- Made some guy friends, who got some of his university girl friends to come party with us at the house and at a couple of the clubs. A night out with 3 bottles, food and drinks + "green and white" for about 8 people cost us about 100 $ at the top club (bora bora).

- One of the male friends spoke English, so my friend (who didn't speak any Spanish) hired him for 500.000 per day to help him translate when he was with girls.

- Had a taxi guy with us when we needed him for about $5 a day (could have negotiated cheaper but he was an awesome guy and had good connections to keep us safe).

- Only had the chance to get one Pro, and I think it was 5. 000.000 ($25) to take out 2 of them from (one for my friend) Mediterranean.

- Most of the other lucky ladies were contacts I had from earlier, or met at clubs, or through guy friends there.

- I paid (a lot) to get a RIF, and was able to open my own bank account now. This helps as I'm looking to go there more often as well as do some business there.

- We had a big lunch with 8 people at a great resto by the water (El Fondeadero), with a mix of steak / pasta / chicken / fish, plus wine, beers, juice etc, and the total came out to under 5. 000.000 ($20).

That is all I can remember for now, but Margarita is a great place. Can't get this type of value for money anywhere in this world that I can think of, at least not in the western hemisphere.

Any questions, fire away![/QUOTE]Hi Jasoonnn,

Assuming you live in Canada and that Margarita is not around the corner, it has to be a fantastic place for cheap pro's and non pro's mongering. It is your 2nd time there in less than a month...

Because I want to go there myself, the sooner the better, a few questions:

1. How did you get there? If flying, where did you buy the ticket and for which airline? Still Avior?

2. Where did you stay this time? Hotel? Air bnb?

3. How to get around the shortage of cash? How much does a RIF cost?

4. Are you willing to share your contacts - speak fluent spanish - with fellow mongers?

5. Any business opportunities, like buying a house?

Looking forward to your reply, THANKS!

[QUOTE=Tavares;2135187]Hi Jasoonnn,

Assuming you live in Canada and that Margarita is not around the corner, it has to be a fantastic place for cheap pro's and non pro's mongering. It is your 2nd time there in less than a month...

Because I want to go there myself, the sooner the better, a few questions:

1. How did you get there? If flying, where did you buy the ticket and for which airline? Still Avior?

2. Where did you stay this time? Hotel? Air bnb?

3. How to get around the shortage of cash? How much does a RIF cost?

4. Are you willing to share your contacts - speak fluent spanish - with fellow mongers?

5. Any business opportunities, like buying a house?

Looking forward to your reply, THANKS![/QUOTE]Hi Tavares,

Yes, I am in Canada, so travel is a bit long, specially because Porlamar doesn't have any internationl flights (not that I'm aware of).

Here are the answers to your questions:

1. I used Avior to get into Venezuela. They have international stops of Miami, Panama, Bogota and Lima. So I flew to Panama from Canada, and took avior from there on. So it was Canada. Panama. Valencia, then Porlamar. I believe Copa Air also does PTY to Caracas, so that is another option too. Some of the other smaller Venezuelan airlines also go around that area, but I didn't check up on that.

2. I stayed at the same place as before, but paid less as I paid them in Bolivares, and not thru Airbnb. Hotels are also available for around 5 $ a day.

3. I didn't really need much cash, as I used bank card or transfers to pay for everything. If you need cash, you pay about double the price for it. Example, you pay 200.000 in transfer to get a 100.000 bill. A RIF is illegal to get for foreigners on tourist visas, so had to grease some palms to get it. If you want to know the details, you can PM me.

4. Sure PM for contact deails.

5. I wouldn't look at houses, but apartments with security are about 35 k - 60 k (USD) depending on location and size etc.

You can see all around how Veneluela was a deeply class-ridden society. You see pockets of shining glory. Huge opulent hotels, gated communities of marine-side detahed houses with privately owned yachts, decadent shopping malls selling designers goods at prices way above neightbouring countries. And all surrounded by squalour. Flithy neighbourhoods with broken pavement and roads, taxis with cracked windscreens and wornout seats, with downtrodden people trying to grind out an existence.

This is a Hellscape. A dystopian future for us all under capitalism, that funnels all cash to the top, the 1%, and the exploitation of an ever widening pool of underclasses. This is not caused by socialism. It is caused by rampant authoritarian capitalism. The type we can see taking over the entire world.

So I came to have a look. To play my small part in trying to support the local economy to recover. But it is hard work. The banking system is completely isolated from the international financial system. This means it is not possible to use the ATMs to withdraw cash, there are no foriegn exchange bureaus, no ready access to cash that nearly all of us take for granted. The only mechanisms are to send money via Western Union (but they won't allow you to use foreign ID to accept the cash, you need to send to a Venezuelan that you trust. And in any case its super expensive), or to make a foreign exchange swap with a local that can give you dollars inside the country in exchange for a bank depsoit to their USD bank in the US somewhere (again, quite a lot of trust required).

The people are friendly, and tourists are certainly a novelty at this stage, but if you want to visit, my advice is to bring big bags of cash. USD only. You can use bank cards to pay for goods in hotels, big supermarkets, and higher quality restaurants, but you need cash for street action and day to day living. Venezuela is a very cash based society, and you need cash to access it. For ths reason, I will have to leave earlier than I had hoped, and return once the USA-led crippling financial sanctions ease.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2719133]You can see all around how Veneluela was a deeply class-ridden society. You see pockets of shining glory. Huge opulent hotels, gated communities of marine-side detahed houses with privately owned yachts, decadent shopping malls selling designers goods at prices way above neightbouring countries. And all surrounded by squalour. Flithy neighbourhoods with broken pavement and roads, taxis with cracked windscreens and wornout seats, with downtrodden people trying to grind out an existence.

This is a Hellscape. A dystopian future for us all under capitalism, that funnels all cash to the top, the 1%, and the exploitation of an ever widening pool of underclasses. This is not caused by socialism. It is caused by rampant authoritarian capitalism. The type we can see taking over the entire world.

So I came to have a look. To play my small part in trying to support the local economy to recover. But it is hard work. The banking system is completely isolated from the international financial system. This means it is not possible to use the ATMs to withdraw cash, there are no foriegn exchange bureaus, no ready access to cash that nearly all of us take for granted. The only mechanisms are to send money via Western Union (but they won't allow you to use foreign ID to accept the cash, you need to send to a Venezuelan that you trust. And in any case its super expensive), or to make a foreign exchange swap with a local that can give you dollars inside the country in exchange for a bank depsoit to their USD bank in the US somewhere (again, quite a lot of trust required).

The people are friendly, and tourists are certainly a novelty at this stage, but if you want to visit, my advice is to bring big bags of cash. USD only. You can use bank cards to pay for goods in hotels, big supermarkets, and higher quality restaurants, but you need cash for street action and day to day living. Venezuela is a very cash based society, and you need cash to access it. For ths reason, I will have to leave earlier than I had hoped, and return once the USA-led crippling financial sanctions ease.[/QUOTE]I don't like going political, but I must say this: while it is true that what do we have here in Venezuela is not textbook socialism, historically the same goes to every nation that attempts socialsim. Even those few that don't fail (IE: Vietnam), they only do so by straying far from what the socialist doctrine says. So, if Socialism is tried again and again and it never works as intended, there must be a point where people have to agree that it simply won't work.

Another thing, what you say about the use of cash (and by cash = USD, nobody gives a damn about bolivares) is true, I'd be wary of using a credit card anywhere, even in high end places. OK, paying your stay in a five star hotel is probably safe, but even a luxury restaurant in the nicer parts of Caracas, (like Las Mercerdes or La Castellana) the people serving you are as downtrodden and desperate as those you see selling stuff in the streets, and the temptation of pulling a "chanchullo" on a guy that they perceive as rich would be too great.

[QUOTE=MaraCucho;2719604] straying far from what the socialist doctrine says. So, if Socialism is tried again and again and it never works as intended, there must be a point where people have to agree that it simply won't work.

be wary of using a credit card anywhere,.[/QUOTE]But its the failures of capitalism that I see here. The disgusting segregation of the country in to haves and have nots. The crazy inequality and injustice that there must have been here.

I don't have any option but to pay bills by card bcos I can't get cash. So far the people are very friendly and helpful in the limited roles that they can play. I have not seen any desperation. Just people getting along w their simple lives.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2719647]But its the failures of capitalism that I see here. The disgusting segregation of the country in to haves and have nots. The crazy inequality and injustice that there must have been here.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I found Venezuela to be a very racist place as well. I have traveled extensively throughout Latin America, and Venezuela was the absolute worst for this kind of thing based on my personal experiences. Lots of inequality and injustice, lots of arrogance among the rich, and lots of racism. Well, I bet they aren't feeling so arrogant anymore are they?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2719647] I have not seen any desperation. [/QUOTE]We may put a smile and be genuinely friendly, but I assure you that every person working retail, working behind a counter or serving at a restaurant has all sorts of crippling economic troubles at home. I don't want to dismiss the struggles of the working class from any first world nations because obviously everybody has problems weighing on their shoulders, but here in Venezuela that funny waiter at a high end steak house that makes the customers feel like his best friends probably has "how the hell I am going to feed my family tomorrow" in his mind. This is unavoidable in a country where the miniimum wage is not even $1 a day.

[QUOTE=MaraCucho;2719908]We may put a smile and be genuinely friendly, but I assure you that every person working retail, working behind a counter or serving at a restaurant has all sorts of crippling economic troubles at home. I don't want to dismiss the struggles of the working class from any first world nations because obviously everybody has problems weighing on their shoulders, but here in Venezuela that funny waiter at a high end steak house that makes the customers feel like his best friends probably has "how the hell I am going to feed my family tomorrow" in his mind. This is unavoidable in a country where the miniimum wage is not even $1 a day.[/QUOTE]Just a curious question which I am genuinely asking. Why doesn't Venezuela and Cuba just adopt capitalism and free trade with the rest of the world? It's obviously horrific trying to run the country according to their current policy. From my perspective, I am shocked the people haven't rebelled and taken Maduro and his regime out of power, same thing with Castro in Cuba. What are they trying to accomplish exactly? It's so tragic to see both nation's struggle and I am not saying I totally agree with the embargo's placed on them by the USA, but I also truly believe in freedom for people and a free market to pursue your dreams and let those who are hungry for more in life make the most of themselves in this world. I could never support a government which keeps its' people from even leaving the country because their government is so ineffective at providing opportunity for its people.

A huge problem I have seen across Latin America is hugely talented, smart, capable individuals just working dead end severely low paying jobs because there is a massive lack of opportunity in their countries. Really sad to see. And on the other end, for the most part they seem happy, content, and healthy and are usually a pleasure to interact with.

Well, I do recall that I fucked this blue-eyed, blonde Venezolana years ago in Costa Rica (she claimed to be from Isla Margarita). I remember that as I looked down at her smiling face and twinkling blue eyes I "nutted" far sooner than I otherwise would have liked to LOL!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2719915]
A huge problem I have seen across Latin America is hugely talented, smart, capable individuals just working dead end severely low paying jobs because there is a massive lack of opportunity in their countries.[/QUOTE]Man, that hits so close, it actually hurts.

And through these years there have been several attempts to get rid of the government. The first time was during the events in 2002-2003, then the "guarimbas" of 2015 and 2017, and finally the big push behind Juan Guaido in 2019. There are several reasons why all of those failed so badly, but the chief two are: A) Chavez consolidated his power by making the military part of the corrupt government and their shady deals, thus making it impossible for them to rebel because by doing so they would be losing a good business. That process wasn't entirely done in 2002, which is why the coup was able to remove Chavez from power for a few hours, but the large factions within the military that were already pledged to be part of the "chanchullo" quickly reverted it. And B) the fact that the political opposition is hugely inept, their leaders either a bunch of clowns that have no idea of what they are doing, or worse, politicians that have established "being the opposition" as their business and have zero intention to actually change the status quo.

Is it still possible to get laid easily on this beautiful island? I few years ago I banged a drop dead gorgeous Venezuelan chick I met on Calle Conde in Santo Domingo, RD. 21 years old and face of an angel and an unbelievable busty, perfect body. Easily in the Top 5 in my All-Time 600+ conquests. Anyway she told me about this beautiful island and invited me to go there but I never did fearful of Venezuela in general.

[QUOTE=DCups;2720054]Is it still possible to get laid easily... but I never did fearful of Venezuela in general.[/QUOTE]Sure,. It is. But you need to bring bags of cash -USD. There are online websites where you can get chicas domicilio.

No need to be fearful. They are just people, same as anywhere else.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2719915]Just a curious question which I am genuinely asking. Why doesn't Venezuela and Cuba just adopt capitalism and free trade with the rest of the world? It's obviously horrific trying to run the country according to their current policy. From my perspective, I am shocked the people haven't rebelled and taken Maduro and his regime out of power, same thing with Castro in Cuba. What are they trying to accomplish exactly? It's so tragic to see both nation's struggle and I am not saying I totally agree with the embargo's placed on them by the USA, but I also truly believe in freedom for people and a free market to pursue your dreams and let those who are hungry for more in life make the most of themselves in this world.[/QUOTE]So you think that both Cuba and Venezuela should pull their pants down, bend down on their knees and stick their asses in the air, and take it up the arse from Uncle Sam? Is that what you would do, Ram? The problem is that these are both already victims of imperialism, of capitalism. Socialism came along as a solution to correct the injustices of these two countries. The people were already tired of capitalism. Capitalism does not allow for more winners; it needs losers. Just take a look around you at the Caribbean, at Haiti, south america, Asia, Africa. These are the victims. This is what Cuba and Venezuela would be, its what they were. Cuba would be Haiti, venezuela would be saudi or yemen. Do you think there was ever a minimum wage under capitalist venezuela? Why not, if it was so "successful"? Venzla had horrendous poverty and illiteracy before chavez. Why?

And you cannot tie authoritarianism to socialism either. Its not part of the left-right vector. Thats the vertical liberty vector. Take a look at saudi or middle east for examples.

We now see a huge step to the left across all south america. Bcos the people want justice. They are tired of being victims of the rich.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2720772]So you think that both Cuba and Venezuela should pull their pants down, bend down on their knees and stick their asses in the air, and take it up the arse from Uncle Sam? Is that what you would do, Ram? The problem is that these are both already victims of imperialism, of capitalism. Socialism came along as a solution to correct the injustices of these two countries. The people were already tired of capitalism. Capitalism does not allow for more winners; it needs losers. Just take a look around you at the Caribbean, at Haiti, south america, Asia, Africa. These are the victims. This is what Cuba and Venezuela would be, its what they were. Cuba would be Haiti, venezuela would be saudi or yemen. Do you think there was ever a minimum wage under capitalist venezuela? Why not, if it was so "successful"? Venzla had horrendous poverty and illiteracy before chavez. Why?

And you cannot tie authoritarianism to socialism either. Its not part of the left-right vector. Thats the vertical liberty vector. Take a look at saudi or middle east for examples.

We now see a huge step to the left across all south america. Bcos the people want justice. They are tired of being victims of the rich.[/QUOTE]Man, while once again I do agree with the sentiment of what you are saying, the practical reality of what Chavez and Maduro did is VERY different. I mean, yes before Chavez we were the working girls of the US of A. And now, we get assraped by the chinese and the russians. Is that any better? Also, I must correct you, Venezuela absolutely had a minimum wage before Chavez. In fact it was Chavez's nemesis, Carlos Andres Perez, who decreed in 1974 the "Salario Minimo Naciional", which going by the exchange rate of that era it was the equivalent of $100 a month.

[QUOTE=MaraCucho;2720784]Man, while once again I do agree with the sentiment of what you are saying, the practical reality of what Chavez and Maduro did is VERY different. I mean, yes before Chavez we were the working girls of the US of A. And now, we get assraped by the chinese and the russians. Is that any better? Also, I must correct you, Venezuela absolutely had a minimum wage before Chavez. In fact it was Chavez's nemesis, Carlos Andres Perez, who decreed in 1974 the "Salario Minimo Naciional", which going by the exchange rate of that era it was the equivalent of $100 a month.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are correct, Vnzla had a minimum wage. But not a minimum wage that was practical / useful. The rate you mention was 450 be in 1974, which was worrth just ove USD 100 at that time. But by 1996 (more than 20 years later), it was worht USD 76 per month. Pathetic, even by that period. So that's why the people rejected the rich establishment and chose a leader for the people. BY 2000 (after Chavez was elected0 the minimum wage was up over USD 400 per month.

https://books.google.co.ve/books?id=z9OKMvILDcIC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=chavez+increase+minimum+wage+1990s&source=bl&ots=cmIkBtY-v6&sig=ACfU3U07ab9pBaZ30ST734T8I11xQ1gtOg&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnuZ_yg__4AhUAoWoFHYzMBnQQ6AF6BAhZEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false

[QUOTE=JustTK;2720857]Yes, you are correct, Vnzla had a minimum wage. But not a minimum wage that was practical / useful. The rate you mention was 450 be in 1974, which was worrth just ove USD 100 at that time. But by 1996 (more than 20 years later), it was worht USD 76 per month. Pathetic, even by that period. So that's why the people rejected the rich establishment and chose a leader for the people. BY 2000 (after Chavez was elected0 the minimum wage was up over USD 400 per month.

https://books.google.co.ve/books?id=z9OKMvILDcIC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=chavez+increase+minimum+wage+1990s&source=bl&ots=cmIkBtY-v6&sig=ACfU3U07ab9pBaZ30ST734T8I11xQ1gtOg&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnuZ_yg__4AhUAoWoFHYzMBnQQ6AF6BAhZEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false[/QUOTE]This just goes to prove that you can't teach a leftist ideologue even common sense. Yes Chavez made it $400, but what is it now? And what is the unemployment rate? This thinking is akin to feasting on the golden goose for a year or two and then starving like an idiot. It's frankly a hideous ideology borne out of envy. The average Venezuelan was better of in 1998 than today. Sounds to me like they were better off being the "victims of capitalism" that whatever is this shit the leftists are serving up.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2719915]Just a curious question which I am genuinely asking. Why doesn't Venezuela and Cuba just adopt capitalism and free trade with the rest of the world?[/QUOTE]With Venezuela, it is because they are a bunch of fucking thieves and no one will have anything to do with them. For all the bashing of the USA and Europe, the corrupt Venezuelans could not even work things out with the Chinese: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/venezuela-china-food/[/URL].

My experience with Venezuela was through their national phone company. GTE bought by Verizon put in all the wiring and towers in Venezuela. They moved Venezuelan communication into the 21st century, and they made money. When I bought shares, the company was 75% publicly traded and 25% owned by Verizon. It was in Venezuela's constitution that publicly traded companies pay 50% of profits out in the form of dividends but when I went to the share holder meeting, the Venezuelan share holders were furious that ANY money was being given to Verizon. They were actively telling management to screw the law and fuck over Verizon.

The company IMO was way undervalued. They had like $6 a share in cash and were making $4 a share and giving out $2 a share in dividends, and it was selling at $20. Given its numbers and growth, it should have been $100. The reason it was $20 was Chavez and fear of nationalization and of course, that is what he did. He bought the company for $17 a share. In essence, if the company just kept making the same money it did, he would get the thing for free in 3 years, $12 in earnings and $6 in cash. It was pure theft and of course, the company's #1 criteria for being hired or keeping their job was not competence but loyalty to Chavez.

JustTK thinks that the capitalists shut the Venezuelans out of the world currency markets. It was the other way around. Venezuela had an official rate of 3 Bolivars per dollar while the black market rate was way higher than that by factors as high as 10. So anyone could get their paycheck, convert their money at an exchange to dollars, sell them on the black market and make 10 X your money. The answer to people doing this was limiting exchanges and ATM conversions.

The same happened with gasoline. In Venezuela, gas costs like 30 cents a gallon so trucks fitted themselves with huge tanks, filled up in Venezuela, and then sold gasoline in Colombia. The answer was again to limit gasoline sales but in both cases you can see that you could potentially pay people off for more dollars or gasoline. Either of these practices were far more lucrative than most Venezuelan jobs.

The idea with buying the Venezuelan telephone company was that all that money would be saved for Venezuelans. At least that is what Chavez said, yet for all Chavez's talk and bashing the USA and the rich, the daughters of Hugo Chavez embezzled billions of daughters out of the country and one of them lived in Miami. But then again that is what I expect from a leader of Venezuela.

Venezuela has or had the largest oil reserves in the world but it was always be a poor country. You cannot accumulate wealth when you do not have strong property rights, and there are none in Venezuela. Stealing and lying are part of their culture, and it is going to take generations for those attitudes to die.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2720860]This just goes to prove that you can't teach a leftist ideologue even common sense.[/QUOTE]Absolutely not. I do not support what Maduro has done at all. A leftist does not blindly support all left wing leaders, in the same way as right wingers don't support every right wing nut job leader. That is fallacious reasoning. But it must also be said that Maduro's hands are firmly tied by the US-led sanctions that force Venezuelans back in to extreme poverty. Thank you Uncle Sam, for you kind capitalist benevolence.

Going back to the first implemtation of the minimum wage in Venezuela in 1974, It was Perez who did it. It was his first term in office. One of the most radical aspects of Pérez's program for government was the notion that petroleum oil was a tool for developing countries like Venezuela to attain first world status and usher a fairer, more equitable international order. Drastic increases in petroleum prices led to an economic bonanza for the country just as Pérez started his term. His policies, including the nationalization of the iron and petroleum industries, investment in large state-owned industrial projects for the production of aluminium and hydroelectric energy, infrastructure improvements and the funding of social welfare and scholarship programmes, were extremely ambitious and involved massive government spending, to the tune of almost $53 billion. His measures to protect the environment and foster sustainable development earned the Earth Care award in 1975, the first time a Latin American leader had received this recognition. The party he represented was Democratic Action. A left wing party too. And nationalising key industries is certainly a left wing policy. So Chavez was not the first left wing president. During Perez's second time in office he was fired for embezzlement.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2720949]During Perez's second time in office he was fired for embezzlement.[/QUOTE]I am not a fan of CAP (good intentions aside, a lot of what he did in his first term eventually threw the nation down a downwards spiral from which me never recovered), but what happened to him with that trial was bullshit, nobpdy involved truly had Venezuela's best interests in mind and it was 100% a political execution. Basically, it was an act of revenge of Rafael Caldera (probably the most sinister figure in modern venezuelan politics) who hated Perez's guts. The guy saw the opportunity when it was clear that public support for Perez disappeared due to his economic reforms, made deals with the enemies Perez had within Accion Democratica to ensure the party would disown him, and threw the Attorney General at him.

Please don't judge a people by the few you have interacted with. While I agree with much of your post (specifically property rights), many, if not most, Venezuelans are very good people (just like anywhere). I was engaged to a Venezuelan girl in the USA A long time ago. Upper middle class family and as nice and decent as could be. We visited her family in Caracas a few times and they were very nice, hardworking people. This was when the country was just starting to fall apart. Eventually all her family ended up selling their property / business and leaving the country. Really fucked up -- if they were out of town or out of the country, the government would not penalize people who moved into their property. They had to sell and get out. The government's attitude was more or less "if you're not occupying your property, you must be rich and poor people should be able to move in. ".

I saw so many hot-looking women there that I ended up going back as a single guy. Both Isla Margarita and Caracas.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2720887]With Venezuela, it is because they are a bunch of fucking thieves and no one will have anything to do with them. For all the bashing of the USA and Europe, the corrupt Venezuelans could not even work things out with the Chinese: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/venezuela-china-food/[/URL].


The idea with buying the Venezuelan telephone company was that all that money would be saved for Venezuelans. At least that is what Chavez said, yet for all Chavez's talk and bashing the USA and the rich, the daughters of Hugo Chavez embezzled billions of daughters out of the country and one of them lived in Miami. But then again that is what I expect from a leader of Venezuela.

Venezuela has or had the largest oil reserves in the world but it was always be a poor country. You cannot accumulate wealth when you do not have strong property rights, and there are none in Venezuela. Stealing and lying are part of their culture, and it is going to take generations for those attitudes to die.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;2721031]Really fucked up -- if they were out of town or out of the country, the government would not penalize people who moved into their property. They had to sell and get out. The government's attitude was more or less "if you're not occupying your property, you must be rich and poor people should be able to move in. ".[/QUOTE]Combo, that is my point. Did anybody say that is wrong or were the people waiting to cash in on that government attitude? When I was at the shareholder meeting, there was no one who was standing up for what the law said. They were all looking to cash in on breaking the law. This was not one person but hundreds who were sitting there in this shareholder meeting.

And the attitude in Venezuela is we are a rich country and the reason we are poor is we have been stolen from and we are going to steal back. That is the culture, and you just described it like I did.

[QUOTE=Combo;2721031]I saw so many hot-looking women there that I ended up going back as a single guy. Both Isla Margarita and Caracas.[/QUOTE]The prettiest French women I have seen were in Montreal, the prettiest Iranian women I saw were in California, and the prettiest Venezuelan women I have seen were in Colombia and Mexico. I did not see much in Caracas and did not recall seeing much when I was near the coast but maybe the time was wrong. The women know their way around the bed, and there is no doubt Venezuela is a country with some bonafide 10's.

I do really hope that nation gets its shit together and they pull their heads out of the ass. I really do. It has so much potential and on an individual basis I like a lot of Venezuelans too. It is just their culture is shit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2721067]
I do really hope that nation gets its shit together and they pull their heads out of the ass. I really do. It has so much potential and on an individual basis I like a lot of Venezuelans too. It is just their culture is shit.[/QUOTE]As far as I can tell, the country has always been fucked up. Whether it was the Spanish colonialists, the USA, the international petrco-companies, the ruling elites, the government, the one constant is that the poor people of Venezulela have been consistently fkd by everyone. And these days, that means literally too.

One cannot blame this on scoialism, or Chavez, or Maduro bcos they inherited a totally fkd up situation. You might not like their policies, but it was no better before for the majority. Runaway inflation has existed since 1983 (Chevez came in 1999) and the currency has lost value against the USD 500 fold since then. Chavez got it under control for a while in the 2000's, but it span out of control again by 2012. The socialist governments have introduced minimum wage, re-set its value, nationalised various primary industries, reduced poverty, extreme poverty, and improved illiteracy. They didn't get everything right. Maduro seems to have a particular poor record. Lack of regard to the law. Has always been the case in the ruling classes in Venezuela, as it has in most countries. How do you think they got rich in the first place? - by saying "hey, I got here first (which they didn't), this is mine, get the FK out!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2721294]...One cannot blame this on scoialism, or Chavez, or Maduro bcos they inherited a totally fkd up situation. ...[/QUOTE]I am surprised you are so forgiving.

I have to say this: I am venezuelan, and I've lived in Venezuela for all my life. I did vote for Chavez in my 1998, and ever since the quality of my life has degraded substantially almost every year, I have endured loss and disease and hunger all while witnessing my country crumbling into ruins. I deeply regret giving him my vote because I absolutely blame him for what has happened in this country in the past two decades. Chavez engulfed all the branches of government and consolidated all power around himself, so there is LITERALLY nobody else to blame. He had all the power to do as he pleased, and had the immense luck of having high oil prices so cash was plentiful, and squandered it all in populist policies that only bleed this nation dry and left nothing standing for the future. Yes, he had a couple of successes (which as I said before, didn't last), but claiming that our current situation (including having Maduro as our president, as he has handpicked by Chavez) is not his direct responsability, is disingenuous at best. JustTK, believe what you want to believe, but the reality of what I have experienced through all these years living in my home country simply doesn't match that vision. I won't say anything else on this matter, because I am starting to get pissed off and I don't want to end up saying something rude or insulting.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2721294]As far as I can tell, the country has always been fucked up. Whether it was the Spanish colonialists, the USA, the international petrco-companies, the ruling elites, the government, the one constant is that the poor people of Venezulela have been consistently fkd by everyone. And these days, that means literally too.

One cannot blame this on socialism, or Chavez, or Maduro bcos they inherited a totally fkd up situation. You might not like their policies, but it was no better before for the majority. Runaway inflation has existed since 1983 (Chevez came in 1999) and the currency has lost value against the USD 500 fold since then. Chavez got it under control for a while in the 2000's, but it span out of control again by 2012. The socialist governments have introduced minimum wage, re-set its value, nationalised various primary industries, reduced poverty, extreme poverty, and improved illiteracy. They didn't get everything right. Maduro seems to have a particular poor record. Lack of regard to the law. Has always been the case in the ruling classes in Venezuela, as it has in most countries. How do you think they got rich in the first place? - by saying "hey, I got here first (which they didn't), this is mine, get the FK out![/QUOTE]Why do you think there has to be "losers" in capitalism or a free market? I have lived my whole life in the USA, and it is fact that in the USA if you are not an asshole- 99% of the time you will have a roof over your head, food, wifi, heat / AC, and public transportation. You will have enough to be comfortable. That cannot be said in many dictatorships and countries who adopt socialism and abuse it with corruption. If there are problems between nations and one nation takes advantage of a weaker nation- that is abuse of power and human corruption. That is not due to a free market. That has nothing to do with the system of capitalism. I am not the expert on Venezuela, but I have spoken with many Latin Americans / Colombians and most blame there struggle with poverty on Maduro and his corrupt regime.

This isn't the 1500's and there is not some global conspiracy to keep Latin America poor and keep the USA and Europe rich. I just don't see how the USA even if it was trying to keep Latin America poor, logistically, how it could even do it? Like how could one nation, keep all those countries poor? It seems like another false narrative which are more prevalent than ever in today's media. I think there are many positive aspects about socialism, but you need a cohesive society where the citizens truly trust one another and share a deep cultural heritage for it to be successful. This is why I believe Norway has been successful with it, not that it's totally socialist. Socialism would never work in the USA, look how divided the nation is. Based off the history of corruption in Latin America, I don't think it would work there either. Either way, its sad what has happened to Cuba and Venezuela and I hope things change for the better for them.

[QUOTE=MaraCucho;2721438]I have to say this: I am venezuelan, and I've lived in Venezuela for all my life.[/QUOTE]Your entitled to express your opinion. Or keep quiet if you prefer. :) But claiming that your Venzuelan therefore you know best is disingenuous. Imagine if you were in the USA and someone told you - "I live in USA. I saw that the economy improved when Donald Trump was elected. Then the Dems cheated at the elections and he was thrown out". Is that logical?

Many folks disagree on political views. In all countries. If you blame Chavez for everything, it means you ignore the terrible situation he inherited, you ignore the negative effects of the US embargo, you also seem to blame him for not being able to predict the future for the years after he died and be able to see that Maduro would do a bad job.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2721294]

They didn't get everything right. Maduro seems to have a particular poor record.
out![/QUOTE]They got next to nothing right.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2721533]Your entitled to express your opinion. Or keep quiet if you prefer. :) ...[/QUOTE]You are critical and sharp. Do you read what he or Elvis wrote? It's like competence does not matter to you.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2721496]Why do you think there has to be "losers" in capitalism or a free market? I have lived my whole life in the USA, and it is fact that in the USA if you are not an asshole- 99% of the time you will have a roof over your head, food, wifi, heat / AC, and public transportation. You will have enough to be comfortable. That cannot be said in many dictatorships and countries who adopt socialism and abuse it with corruption. If there are problems between nations and one nation takes advantage of a weaker nation- that is abuse of power and human corruption. That is not due to a free market. That has nothing to do with the system of capitalism. I am not the expert on Venezuela, but I have spoken with many Latin Americans / Colombians and most blame there struggle with poverty on Maduro and his corrupt regime.

This isn't the 1500's and there is not some global conspiracy to keep Latin America poor and keep the USA and Europe rich. I just don't see how the USA even if it was trying to keep Latin America poor, logistically, how it could even do it? Like how could one nation, keep all those countries poor? It seems like another false narrative which are more prevalent than ever in today's media. I think there are many positive aspects about socialism, but you need a cohesive society where the citizens truly trust one another and share a deep cultural heritage for it to be successful. This is why I believe Norway has been successful with it, not that it's totally socialist. Socialism would never work in the USA, look how divided the nation is. Based off the history of corruption in Latin America, I don't think it would work there either. Either way, its sad what has happened to Cuba and Venezuela and I hope things change for the better for them.[/QUOTE]Lets not act like the US is not a shithole going down the drain.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2721496] in the USA- 99% of the time you will have a roof over your head, food, wifi, heat / AC, and public transportation. You will have enough to be comfortable.
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That cannot be said in many dictatorships and countries who adopt socialism and abuse it with corruption.
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If there are problems between nations and one nation takes advantage of a weaker nation- that is abuse of power and human corruption. That is not due to a free market.
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I am not the expert on Venezuela, many Latin Americans / Colombians and most blame there struggle with poverty on Maduro and his corrupt regime.
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This isn't the 1500's and there is not some global conspiracy to keep Latin America poor and keep the USA and Europe rich. I just don't see how the USA even if it was trying to keep Latin America poor, logistically, how it could even do it? Like how could one nation, keep all those countries poor?
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Either way, its sad what has happened to Cuba and Venezuela and I hope things change for the better for them.[/QUOTE]The global superpower has 125.000. 000 out of 330.000. 000 living pay check to pay check. Is that an outcome that you think is successful? If so, we live in different worlds.

Any discttor that is corrupt is bad for a country. That statement applies to all economic systems, not just socialism.

Competition is supposedly baked in to the idea behind capitalism. So of course, overcoming an annhialating your competitiors is part of the capitalist process. It is part of the free market. What many people fail to heed is that in the end stages of capitalism (what we see now) is that markets become oligopolies or monopolies that are protected by government (bcos those oligarchs become so powerful that they can buy poltcal policy). Those markets become what the opposite of what was promised. Junk products, terrible service, at exhorbitant prices. Just look around you for countless examples of that.

Why would Colomibians be experts on Venezuela? As the saying goes, opinions are like AR $eholes. Everyone has one.

Imperialism is ALIVE and WELL. Watch this video link of how the USA has exploited Latinoland (apologies to those that note I have posted this link nmerous times now: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwJI9axblQ[/URL]).

Both Cuba and Venezuela are punished by the USA bcos they refuse to bend over from the USA. Cuba would be another Haiti if it were capialist. Haiti. That gamourous success story of capitalism.

A challenge for you Ram, name me a successful oil-rich capitalist country. Saudi? Iraq? Syria? Egypt? Libya? UAE?, Yemen? Congo? Indonesia? Malaysia? Colombia? Venezuela-before -Chavez? All these countries are successful examples of capitalism? Free-markets, free and happy people, with great standards of living? No, clearly not. They are all examples of how powerful capitalist nations exploit the weak. Install puppets to extract their resources and abuse their people.

This is the agneda you are promoting. This is what you think weak nations should sign up for, so they can be the next Haiti, Iraq or Yemen.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2721671]The global superpower has 125.000. 000 out of 330.000. 000 living pay check to pay check. Is that an outcome that you think is successful? If so, we live in different worlds.

Any discttor that is corrupt is bad for a country. That statement applies to all economic systems, not just socialism.

Competition is supposedly baked in to the idea behind capitalism. So of course, overcoming an annhialating your competitiors is part of the capitalist process. It is part of the free market. What many people fail to heed is that in the end stages of capitalism (what we see now) is that markets become oligopolies or monopolies that are protected by government (bcos those oligarchs become so powerful that they can buy poltcal policy). Those markets become what the opposite of what was promised. Junk products, terrible service, at exhorbitant prices. Just look around you for countless examples of that.

Why would Colomibians be experts on Venezuela? As the saying goes, opinions are like AR $eholes. Everyone has one..[/QUOTE]Of course, just my opinion. I truly feel that the free market and many elements of Capitalism will be the fastest way to solve all of humanities problems in terms of providing a sufficient amount of essential resources to meet the needs of people. When you have a society that are home owners, employed in careers which provide health care and pensions, owners of personal transportation, and money left over to be spent on luxury goods which contributes to forging a deep rich satisfying cultural shared by your countrymen- you have solved the "big" problems of governing a nation. The free market and private business have proved without a doubt through history that through innovation in technology it has contributed more to solving these problems than any of other economic system. Look at the most important inventions in history and they were all developed in the private sector and purchased and sold in the free market.

Again, your criticisms of Capitalism are old and harken back to the days of early industry in the late 1800's. Yes Monopolies can form and they can take advantage of the consumer by charging high prices and they can eliminate competitors through bribing politicians. That can happen if you have a corrupt society, which the vast majority of industrialized societies do not allow to happen. Government regulation of the private sector is essential to prevent corruption. I am sure corruption still goes on, but not to the point where it's going to have a significant impact on society. Look at every single industry and look at all the variety the consumer has to select from. The issues you speak about have been solved long ago. Yes monopolies and corrupt Oligarchies are a possible negative consequence of Capitalism, which is why transparency and government regulation of the private sector is so important. You speak about junk service, terrible products, and high prices as they are guaranteed to occur in a free market, but history has shown that when those problems arise, the seller loses business to others sellers who are providing better products and service at more fair prices. Simple as that.

In a perfect world where everyone is exactly equal and everyone was born to contribute equally, yes socialism would be great, but that is not the world we live in right now. Maybe a generation from now, we will have more cohesive societies who are not corrupted by greed and they successfully follow Norway's example of incorporating socialist elements into their economic systems. Based off what I have seen, people will still be greedy corrupt assholes just out for themselves and the most fair solution to keep them productive is the "Free Market Capitalist Economic System".

You criticize people in my country who live pay check to pay check, yet people by the millions are illegally traveling thousands of miles to enter my country because the reality is, even if you poor by the standards of the USA, you are still better off than if you are middle class in Latin America. Like I said, these people would kill just to have a home, heat / AC, Wi-Fi, food, educational opportunities, and affordable public transportation, and most importantly- they can find employment.

Is it plausible to come to the conclusions that people in Haiti have brought poverty to themselves through lack of personal responsibility? Why are you allowing a population boom and having multiple children when you cannot even afford to feed yourself? Is that a responsible thing to do? Did Haiti mismanage their agricultural industries which led to infertile soil and killed their most important natural resource- sugar cane? I don't have the answer to those questions, but I do know that if you do not fulfill your personal responsibilities in any society, then you will be poor economically.

Just because Cuba and Venezuela allow democracy and a free market to enter their society does not mean they are going to get fucked by the USA. It does mean they continue to be ruled by a dictator in a planned society where they are free to make the most of themselves and they will most likely remain in poverty as a best case scenario, and starve to death or turn to a life of crime in a worst case scenario. This is facts. How could it possibly be worse to play ball with the world and allow your people to have a say in their governments than just remain with low levels of freedom and extreme poverty and crime?

[QUOTE=Penetrador;2721669]Lets not act like the US is not a shithole going down the drain.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%, quality of life has gone down tremendously since 2008 financial crisis. It's not the country it was 20 years ago. Media bias and spineless politicians are not helping. Once retirement hits, I will take my pension and find a quiet beach in Mexico / Caribbean somewhere LOL.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2721687]
Again, your criticisms of Capitalism are old and harken back to the days of early industry in the late 1800's. Yes Monopolies can form and they can take advantage of the consumer by charging high prices and they can eliminate competitors through bribing politicians. That can happen if you have a corrupt society, which the vast majority of industrialized societies do not allow to happen.

In a perfect world where everyone is exactly equal and everyone was born to contribute equally, yes socialism would be great,
[/QUOTE]I don't have the time to debate yiou here and now Ram. I find your your views very much inline with many USAns, that is to say completely ignorant of realities in the world. Olgarchs rule the world NOW, not 200 years ago. Corruption is as bad now as it was then. Its just that it is enshrined in law these days. Or the elites are above the law. Look at the USA for example. The most corrupt nation on Earth. All politics is bought, democracy is nil, no rule of law for the elites.

Socialism never aims for equality of outcome or equal inputs. You know so little about it that I just don't have the time to go thru it on this forum with you.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2721731]I don't have the time to debate you here and now Ram. I find your your views very much inline with many USAns, that is to say completely ignorant of realities in the world. Olgarchs rule the world NOW, not 200 years ago. Corruption is as bad now as it was then. Its just that it is enshrined in law these days. Or the elites are above the law. Look at the USA for example. The most corrupt nation on Earth. All politics is bought, democracy is nil, no rule of law for the elites.

Socialism never aims for equality of outcome or equal inputs. You know so little about it that I just don't have the time to go thru it on this forum with you.[/QUOTE]Cmon TK, don't get so bent out of shape LOL. And yes you do have time to debate, you post on these forums non stop all day long LOL. You make some really BOLD claims though. "The USA is the most corrupt nation on Earth" LOL? It's just such a ridiculously biased statement. Not Russia, not Mexico, not North Korea, not Belarus, not Venezuela, not any country in Africa. Some how you come to the conclusion that the USA is the most corrupt nation on Earth hahaha. You state "all politics are bought"? Yes, I am sure some politics are bought and many politicians are funded from campaign donations, but that is the "will of the people". If someone believes in a cause and they want to donate to a campaign, they are allowed to do what they want with their money. I am not sure off the top of my head, but I do believe Hilary Clinton had massive campaign donations which dwarfed Trumps and she still lost. Go figure that one.

I am going to be very honest, you seem like you want so hard to believe in something that just doesn't exist and there is no evidence to back up your claims. I don't think I can put too much weight into your posts after you make such claims and I don't even want to ask you for evidence as I already know, there is no evidence to support those claims and it is just the stuff of conspiracy theorists.

To be fair, I'll let sleeping dogs lye and agree to disagree. As you and I have both stated before, we do both truly want what is best for all nations of the world, we just have different opinions on the best way to solve societies problems.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2721821]
You make some really BOLD claims though. "The USA is the most corrupt nation on Earth" LOL? It's just such a ridiculously biased statement.[/QUOTE]Bcos has corrupted all semblance of democracy, and that toxic corruptionr tends throughout the entire US sphere of influence.

I am in an all inclusive resort in isla Margarita, Venezuela now. My room was just attended to by not only the hottest house cleaner I have ever seen but one of the hottest women I have ever seen.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2848995]I am in an all inclusive resort in isla Margarita, Venezuela now. My room was just attended to by not only the hottest house cleaner I have ever seen but one of the hottest women I have ever seen.[/QUOTE]Any info on how Isla Margarita was?

Would be much appreciated.

I put together a Map.

Most of it is old, but some are new places.

I was there at Mardi Gras time years ago.