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Hello

I have just two Short questions .............

1) Where are Located the gilrs who have their own small van in Vincennes.

2) Could you inform me with names of the streets or alley.


thanks
Laloupe

LaLoupe:

Forget the vans in Rue St Denis/Vincennes areas. Not safe---many gypsys. Also stay the hell out of the Pigalle/de Clichy area totally. There are nothing but 99% ripoffs and tourist traps there.

Try in the blocks north of Place de Madeleine to St/. Augustine Church/Malesherbes. ( in Arrondisement 1) Many nice girls there who know taxi drivers with large SUV type taxis. Also many of the older pro's work out of their own cars in this area also. Excellent deals and mostly very safe.

I found that area by accident and I was like a little child in a candy store with pocket full of hot pennies.

Merlin :
just explain where you saw vans in St Denis area...
There are none as it is inside the city and two cars broad small street...
So check before saying...
You forgot the area around the Arc de Triomphe.
It is even better than Madeleine area and you can have a chance to meet a non pro sometime.

Ok EFrog: Your answer.

I did see at least 2 vans with girls working out of them very near St Denis area at a small park. I also saw gypsys and got the hell out of there.

I did forget to mention around the Arc, but then too, when I was there at the Arc area, there was a heavy riot police presence dispersed all around with Zhiang Zmin and Jaques Chirac holding talks. The heavy police presence was due to imminent threat of riots by Chinese dissidents.

I did see a few nice ones closer to Porte Maillot, but nowhere near in numbers like at Madeleine.

I hope this explains my actions.

This is an update on other areas in the South East of Paris and in the 94, 77 Suburd

SW
You will find young Eastern Europe girl and black chicks on the Esternal Boulevard (Soult, Poniatowski and Davout) Avenue de St Mandé , and Cours de Vincennes toward Nation is also pretty good.

SW in Minivan
Many in Le Bois de Vincennes but generally pretty old and ugly (some exception), best in front of the Parc Floral and near the Vincennes Horse Race Track, some are Avenue de la Guyane (along the Boulevard Periphérique)

Prices are always 20 to 25€ fro BJ and 35 to 40€ for sex. Few will do anal (50 to 70€)


Suburd East of Paris 94 and 77
You will find some also working in Minivan in the 77 near Brunoy on the N6
Few eastern Europe girls working the N19 after Brie Comte Robert before Coubert.(in Minivan) and after Coubert (SW).

One pretty good one (mid 30) working in a minivan near the exit Moissy Cramayel on the A5 direction Troyes, (3 vans are always parked there, one big old, one old black and this mid 30 excellent, no rush)

More info will come later.

Update on South East of Paris (12e)

Things are changing as now you can find Asian hookers in Paris

Found a nice Chinese girl (SW) abour 24 , working on Boulevard de la Guyane, very shy , took her to a hotel near Cours de Vincennes, (paid 30€) for the hotel and 50€ for the girl , very nice accepted everything except anal,

found a Korean one (not so good) about 30 looked a bit dirty , working near the entrance of the periferique porte de Vincennes(near the gas station) just pick her up for BJ in the car paid 20€,

I have not found any AMP in Paris , if anyone have found one , please feed back


Denis

Hi,

I'm from malaysia an am wondering what the sex scene is like in Paris. Are the girls there average looking or do they look like the ones i've seen in porn films? What about the high class prostitutes? How much do they costs?

Any of you here from this Forum been to Malaysia?

*nottynotty

I will be visiting Paris in august. I have two questions.

1. I heard the best street action is "rue joubert". Are there other places you can f..k a girl ?
Someone mentioned "rue Joubert"is a good place to meet old and ugly .
what time of day is good to meet them and how much time do you get for 50 Euros?
.
2. Has anyone been to the Pigalle or the Rue St-Dennis?

A report would be appreciated. Thank you.

LaLoupe,

I already answered your question way back down the line here. Read way down the list.

Also stay the hell off DeClichy in Pigalle area. There is nothing but ripoffs therfe for you and every other unwary tourist. The famous Moulin Rouge is there at thre intersection of Rue pigalle and De Clichy and you are safe in there but that is the only place.

Rue St Denis is also a virtual gauarantee you will find trouble.

Stick with the areas mentioned herinbelow by me, Denis and others.

Also check the archives closely; there very good reports there too.

LaLoupe,
I Know Paris quite well, but i've never been with a girl in this city.
here are some streets where you can find girls :
between La Madeleine and St Augustin Church ( Bd Malesherbes)rue de Sèze, rue Joubert
Near Arc de Triomphe, ave Foch, Ave Victor Hugo, Ave Mac mahon, Ave d'Iena,rue de Tilsitt,
Between Nation and the Périphérique,
Rue de la Chaussée d'Antin.
I've got these adresses searching on the web. I go to Paris next week-end, and if I have enough time, I will try to see the quality of these streets.
I know 3 erotic theaters in Paris. In these place, you cannot have sex with the girls, but they are good places to see and play with nice girls. I've been in these three theaters and two of them are really nice.
If you are interrested tell me, I'll give you the adresses on this
board.

To Merlin Magician:
Regarding Rue St. Denis I would like to modify your statement somewhat: all the things that look like shows or parlours are clip-joints and rip-offs, no exceptions, whereas the girls standing in doorways are on the level. They're a mixed bag, of course, but they're not scams. (Well, maybe I should use the past tense, it's been a while since I was there.) I had some very nice girls on the RSD (both French and African), some so-so, but suffered no disasters. Nor did I ever feel unsafe on the RSD, which I wouldn't say about the Clichy -- that's a nasty, nasty street.

Philip, you are correct about St Denis. It's just that I'm morbidly in fear of Gypsys. I saw many there. The women will try to pickpocket you and if you resist them they slash your ass with Stanley box cutters. Worse, their men are nearby, if you try to battle your way out and away, they will get you. I learned this the hard way in Bosnia in 1996. I got 40 stitches and a gypsy lady is in a wheelchair now because I managed to break her neck before I ran to a British patrol group which happened by and took me to a field hospital.

To Merlin
Oy! They must have hit RSD since I was last there. I'm not very politically correct on the subject of gypsies myself. Thanks for the warning, next time I go to Paris I'll maybe try some of the options round the Madeleine and Arc du Triomphe that people have been writing about here, or try incall.

I just spent some time in Paris, and as always had an
excellent time at "La Cheminee" (OK looking 40 yo
with her husband, giving me quick vaginal sex, then
blowing me off for 5 minutes urging me to come
in her mouth and swallowing it all).

But I decided to give a try to a "bar a hotesses"
outside the Pigalle/Clichy area, since once in a
while can have a pleasant surprise (it happened
to me in Rostock). It was " Le Monocle" (Paris 14).
RIPOFF ! nice staff at first, but they were rude
to "my" girl (a 6/10 Bulgarian 22 yo with nice and
warm body, very gentle) and had to pay € 400
for almost nothing (and quick ! I had experiences
were nothing much happened either, but had 1 hour
private "massaging" with the girl for this price).
Then,as in the Pigalle area, the staff turned
quite aggressive, I wonder how I got out
without paying more, and am a little afraid
about my credit card details which I think
the barman scooped.

Hi,

I am currently living in Fontainebleau and am wandering if there is any action in this town or even somewhere nearby (Melun perhaps). If someone knows anything, I would be very grateful. Thanks.

drummerboy,
I take it you're anglo/american type. I just spent the last year in france. Here're my thoughts. Hooking in France is legal (pimping is not; only the hooker can benefit from the services she provides.) ergo, finding ads is simple.

General rule is 100e and you're paid up. Find a publication called "Les Loisirs et Spectacles" or something like that ( I lived in the south; names are different.) This pub will have all of the event/movies/concerts and, ads for hookers! Look in the back. Generally, they'll give their name, phone, and where they are. If there's a local paper (like for the town of Fontainebleu) look there in the "contacts" or "rencontres" section. If you don't speak at least some French, this may be a bit tough, but I'm sure you can figure it out (I'm guessing you're there for one of the worlds most renowned grad schools!)

some of the women say they speak english in their ads. enough anyway I'm guessing.

if you get really hard up, take the train to Nice (5 hours.) there are 100+ hookers working the streets there every night! Promenade des Anglais. Couldn't be simpler. And, a lot of these girls are eastern european; the learned some english before they learned some french.

good luck. send me a note and let me know if this helped.
hyperastro@yahoo.com

PARIS - dead?

Was in Paris last week. Prepared my homework with this forum but was VERY disappointed:

Round Madeleine area -- did not find 1 only girl ??
Rue Tilsit , Foch, Victor Hugo --- nothing
Nation - Cours Vincennes: Yes there were some girls but 3-5 and only one 7-8
Boulevards exterieurs: Yes saw some eastern girls and black in the busstops but lousy quality.

It was so different as the -even recent- messages, that my only reasons could be:
1) There had been a police clean up just that day or
2) It was too late at night (23.30-01.00)

Any ideas????

robser

if you went to these area and you didn't see any... then we can do nothing for you... you must be blind.
Of course, they don't carry a sign saying "WG, SW, please ask for it"... lol
Maybe it was Paris in the US ....

Robser:

Where were you? Paris, Texas or Paris, Tennessee?

You were in the areas at the prime time. I don't understand why you saw no ladies. I doubt there was a police clean-up. All you have to do is take a sidewalk table at the little corner brasserie a block south of St. Augustine Church area and watch them stroll by. Or walk the area from there toward Opera area and you will see many in parked cars waiting for you.

Personally I had the same experience in Paris last August 2001 as Robser, I hardly saw any hookers available and was really dissapointed by that fact. Personally my advice to Robser is to go to Amsterdam for the real fun, Germany is also a great place for hookers, if you really like French women, Belgian women are very hot and Brussels has an Amsterdam style RLD, Denmark and Norway has many brothels, Barcelona Spain is becoming a major sex capital as well.

Re: Paris dead? reactions:

Hey, you guys: I was in Paris France, yes and I know Paris since a long time -when even Rue St Denis was a very good place to go-

I agree with others that Barcelona Spain is MUCH more fun and hotter!
I Know; I live there.

Don't underestimate Robser,he is a real Spain "specialist"(not only Barcelona)
I am sure his posting about Paris is correct.

BCBG

Of course, nobody is talking about August... it is holiday : they are all at the Riviera : they follow the customers ... lol...
But Robser was talking recently so normal time and at the best time in the day...
So what ?
In the area he was talking about there are 100's every day.
And we have no police clean the area they have something more serious to do.. not like in the US where they can play game with honnest guys looking for fun... when by the same time the last FBI report states a 2% increase in crime...
Where ar the cops : playing games with the Johns...

So I was simply in Paris in the wrong time? I was not completely alone in my Paris trip last August 2001, I did manage to meet a nice French brunette near the Arc who was quite beautiful(about and 8), and very thin and tall. She had a shaven nether area and she did give me a good time. Only problem was that it took me 2 full days to find her. Overall there were many gorgeous women in Paris that August but I was dissapointed I need not meet enough girls. So you say there are 100's of women in this area Robser visited? When is the best time of year to meet these women? Thank you. Merci.

Hi all:
I just saw a report on the French evening news we get here locally through the international channel that was talking about recent efforts by the local government to clean up the prostitution problem. I was caught off guard, so I didn’t have time to get pen and paper, but here is what the report was saying as best as I can remember.

There is an effort afoot in municipal governments to clean up and get rid of prostitutes. Apparently 3 cities in France have outlawed prostitutes within their city limits. They are Strasbourg, Aix en Provence and I forget the third (sorry). Although French law permits prostitution, cities do have the right to restrict/outlaw it within their city limits. As a reminder, while prostitution is legal, soliciting, pimping and brothels are NOT.

The city fathers of Paris have been looking into this problem and debating on how to handle the exploding problem with prostitutes. It seems that there over 15,000 prostitutes in Paris with many coming from Eastern Europe and Africa. It is these prostitutes especially those from Africa that are causing the problem.

With a hidden camera, the reporter showed how these prostitutes, specifically women from Ghana are violating various laws and the long standing gentlemen’s agreement of discretion between government and prostitutes. These women are extremely aggressive, openly soliciting clients, physically trying to pull potential customers to a room. These women were specifically in the Rue St. Denis area, an area known to be of lower quality. These women are, according to a couple of white women prostitutes, selling their services for significantly less than going rates to attract customers then fail to provide services or worse yet have their pimps in corners waiting to ambush the customer and rob the customer. This was confirmed in an interview with a city official that claimed that the number of complaints were increasing. In fact the black SW will lure the customer with promises of full sex for anywhere from 10 to 30 Euros depending on the hour of day, then proceed to rip them off (standard prices are 50 Euros – even there – for full service) with the help of their pimps.

According to the report, most of these women are being pimped by men to who bring them to France and then give them quotas to meet. If they don’t meet them, according to the reporter and other SW, the women are beaten.

This increase in violence along with increasing neighbor complaints – with regards to noise, solicitation, lack of discretion, and the constant back and forth has led the Paris city government to look at options. While I doubt that anything might be done right away, especially given the fact that the Mayor is a liberal flame, I noted that one of the city councilwomen (or equivalent) who has links to the mayor’s office stated quite correctly that outlawing prostitution will not solve the problem as they will just go elsewhere. Truly an enlightened individual given that the many areas of SW are actually outside the Paris city limits. While she did not have an immediate solution, she did note that something needed to be done to deal with this problem.

So the while the council tries to decide what to do, my suggestion would be to avoid this area completely. Stick to other areas described in other threads. In this case you do get what you pay for and paying a little more may save you when getting beat up. Rue St. Denis has always been a low quality place so no real reason for quality hobbyist to go there. There are so many other areas that offer decent alternatives.

Stay safe!

Why don't the French build a German or Dutch style RLD system to manage hookers? It seems like the best solution, from my experience in Germany and Holland is that they have the best sex services in Northern Europe. Dutch RLDs and club brothels as well as German FKK Clubs are the best quality sex at bargain prices. There is plenty of talent in France, I don't know why it is hard to get a hooker in Paris, though.

I had tried once earlier this year to post about the growing problems with African *****s and their violent pimps. It was pulled by the moderator as it may have been construed as racist.

Most of these people are Somali and extremely violent. I have encountered them in France, Italy, Germany and in the UK. They are a problem which nobody wants to recognize, given the big push for politically correct "multiculturalism" in the EU areas.

It's not a race problem; it's a crime problem.

The Germans, Belgians, and the Dutch have the situation under control as they have managed to expel most of the foreign outsiders from their RLD areas. This has caused them to flock to France, Spain, Italy, and the UK.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by putana
[i]Don't underestimate Robser,he is a real Spain "specialist"(not only Barcelona)
I am sure his posting about Paris is correct. [/i][/QUOTE]

Putana;
You're only too kind!
I like your reports as much.
Bye

I'm reposting this message from March because I see that many of you are still confused about Paris. Granted, it's not the easiest or the best place to get laid in Europe but if you find yourself in this wonderful city and you do want to get laid by a high-quality girl for a reasonable price, then just follow these simple directions. If you have specific questions, feel free to email me and I'll try to help.

Capt. Louis Renault
"He's just like any other man, only more so."
louisrenno@hotmail.com

How to get laid in Paris for a reasonable cost:

1) Take the metro to Charles De Gaulle/Etoile which is the stop for the Arc de Triomphe. Best times to venture out are weekdays M-F starting at 8:00 -9:00 PM with the action continuing until midnight or later. Saturday night is not that great. Even working girls like to take the weekend off.

2) Starting at the Ave. Hoch walk in a counter clockwise direction on the street that circles the Arc de Triomphe, which is called Rue de Tilsit (and changes name to Rue to Presbourg after passing Ave. de la Grand Armee--get a good map and this will appear clear). Follow this street circling the Arc and you will pass the following main streets which radiate out like a star ("etoile"=star) from the Arc: Wagram, MacMahon, Carnot, Grande Armee, Foch, Victor Hugo, Kleber, Ilena, Marceau and then you end up at the Champs Elysee. The best area is between MacMahon and Kleber.

3) You will see quite a few good looking women along this street but be careful, because only a small number are available to keep you company. Others are just hot, sexy Parisians on their way to bars and clubs. Be very discreet and take care not to offend anyone. Walk this circular street a couple times and soon it will become clear to you which ones are the working girls. They tend to stand on a corner or next to a building (a few are in cars) for awhile and they wait for guys to approach them--they are very discreet. The girls are a mix of native French girls (some of whom are a little older) and younger, hotter looking ethnic types (like Sharmilla and Karima). I happen to like the ethnic types so that's a plus for me, but it might not be for others.

4) Once you spot a girl you like and you've figured out whether she is available, make eye contact, smile and say "Bonsoir." Most will speak at least a little English, some a lot (I met an English speaking Indian girl named Sharmilla who was very nice). Anyway, don't let your lack of French stop you because the girls are used to dealing with foreigners, though the majority of their customers are probably French.

5) The going rate is 100 Euros, or about $90 US. I consider this to be a real bargain considering the relatively high quality of the girls. These are not ugly, druggie streetwalkers, though they are also not drop-dead gorgeous models either. Shop around and you will find someone you like. The girls will take you to their nearby apartment or go back to your hotel (I took a nice Moroccan girl named Karima to my hotel which was five metro stops away and I gave her an extra 20 Euros for her trouble). I didn't bother to bargain because 100 Euros is cheap for Paris.

6) You'll see some of the same and some different girls each night. Some are fulltime pros and some are amateurs, like Karima, out to make a few extra $.

7) Though I didn't have a chance to do this, I'm told that there is some good action around the Palais des Congres too, metro Porte Maillot. I did check out the area around the Madeleine Church and I thought the Etoile area was overall much better. Whatever you do, avoid St. Denis, Pigalle, and almost all "American" bars, strip clubs, etc. unless you want to get ripped off or disappointed. The girls around Etoile are independents and based on lots of experience and research I can assure you that they offer the best value in Paris.

AVOID RUE ST. DENIS!
Went to le club 80 on st.Denis and paid $150 for what was supposed to be anal sex. I was very, very clear "Not a show or fantasy, real anal sex right?" She said "yes real sex of course" then gave ne the worst strip show ever and then said now jerk off in this kleenex! I got mad and she said well you are on camera and the police station is right down the street.

REMEMBER GUYS YOU MAY BE ON CAMERA!

I ripped the camera off the wall and demanded a refund of some of my money. They refused, so now I have a new miniature camera! FUCK THEM!

My advice to anyone is to avoid Rue St. Denis and Pigalle like the plague. There are much better finds around the Arch and Madeleine. If the sole purpose of a trip to Paris is for hookers, forget it, Amsterdam or Prague would suit you better. Even maybe Copenhagen or Frankfurt. Don't get me wrong I love Paris but its best to stick with the women who tout around the Arc.

rue de st denis just sucked bigg one's wish i could have looked at these postings before going to paris . i went early in june & asked the taxi driver to take me to the rue st denis that was the only place i heard had chiks for rent the driver didnt speak much english but said id find women there. all i saw was some fat asses white french women and some ok looking black chicks but i wasnt really in the mood for some chocalate so i decided to walk down were some black guy from senegal said to go check out the peep show no obligation so then i said alright he then brought out a menu of chicks were i can pick the one i want dam they looked hot on the menu he then said 50 euros & you get laid shoot it seemed to good to be true & i was very horny so i handed him the money he later sent me to a room upstairs were later this ok lookn french woman came in & said take of your close & start jacking it" so i did she later said ok know lets talk what do you want i said what do you mean? i paid 50 euros for a piece of french ass she then said no no! its just for a peep show i told her she was full of mier shit but i was thinking with my cock instead of my head i should have lost the 50 & walked out but i told her id give her an additional 100euros she then xtended her hand & took them right when i was gonna approach her to start pumpin her brains out of hottness & frustration she said "what are u doin dont you know that to fuck a nice lookn french women you gotta pay at least 350eros i almost slapped her little head clean of her body but i kept my cool & said fck it i lost 150eros i told them that all they do is jack people for there money i hope that by me posting this all you hooker lovers "stay the fck away" from st denis well mainly the clubs & peep shows there professional con artists. shoot ill stick to good old adelitas in tijuana & the oriental message in l.a ill never go to paris for hoes although i still wanna pork a french broad :-} talk to yall soon.

If you want real good French pussy you should have went to Madeleine or Arc De Triomphe I have found some stunning beauties around the arc. Another good alternative is Montreal, which has a lot of French Canadian women and they are just plain amazing.

It is time to have in Paris a red light district or like in Germany brothel actually the situation is very bad in Paris prostitute work on the Maraichau, Boulevard around Paris they fuck and suck for 50 euros in car. work in this situation is very dangerous for them
send a message the mayor of Paris, to offer better condition
for the work of prostitution.

etanche x 2

you are dreaming man.
1) brothel in France is illegal and this can only be changed by the Parliament
2) why do you want the mayor of Paris to care for the fun of hetero. He is a fxxxx gay.

Even this month they are, reverse, talking about a similar law to Sweden : fining the clients...
This is the top , this gay doesn't remember the time where gays were illegal... and they complained.

Now he want to have hetero illegal...
Gai Paris will turn into Gay Paris...

eFrog, you said around the Arc on Avenue Foch, and Victor Hugo and Rue de Tilsit, there are hundreds of hookers each day? Wehn I went I only saw a handful and had very few too choose? Will I be able to find many white French hookers in this area during most of the year?

bcbg :
from 2 p.m. to 3 a.m. if you go on a large area, and of course, more at night after 10 p.m. you will find a lot on circle street around the Arc : Tilsit, Presbourg, ... then down the streets :
Victor Hugo, Foch, Mac Mahon, Wagram, Iena, ...
then on the short part (late) between circle and place Charles de Gaulle. Then you can get down to Place des Ternes and walk to Porte Maillot, both side of the street, than at Porte Maillot, then bld Perreire, then inside Porte Maillot mall and even in the bar of the Concorde Lafayette on Top of the Tower and at the bar of The Meridien...
If this is not helping you, then it is not here that you can get help but by an optician lol

eFrog, merci. I have just a few more questions, I am planning to visit Paris in September, will there be a lot of women in those areas during that month? I went last year in August, and only found a few women and the choice was not so good. Also are most of the women in that area white French women?

BCBG
September is back to business...
August is full South Holidays... see the difference.
You will get white French White non French, Black French, Black non French and even Asian French.
Remember that we had colonies all around the world...
Not judgmental ... but what is the problem with non white...
It is just a question... no need to answer...
But if you want granted fun : go to the clubs : lots have been listed here and in past forum.

By the way for all other guys there is a new one : quai17 : they have a web site : www.quai17.fr
it is among the top 5 in quality.

Just got back from Paris, thougth I would update. On the continuing political battle, things seem to be heating up, but not just Paris. Cities like Bordeaux are taking measures to reduce the hobbists' alternatives. They are seriously talking about prosecuting the customer. Really sucks, starting to sound like the USA - Hey that's the way to get them to stop it, tell them they are becoming "americanize" that should take care of it! (they really hate that)

With regards to the women, I decide to cruise St. Denis for the hell of it. Mainly blacks and older white women, kind of scary. Ave Foch was dead, but I went on a Sunday. On the other hand, Nation and Porte Vincennes had some decent alternatives although I didn't have a car so it wouldn't have done me any good.

That's about it. Seem overall pretty quiet. i think many women might have already left for vacation.
Stay safe!

If they criminalize it like they do in the USA, its going to get really hard for a foreign guy to get laid in Paris. A friend told me they criminalized it in Sweden because they didn't want Stockholm to turn into an Amsterdamlike magnet for sex tourists, thats why they criminalized it. And they didn't want foriegn guys to come to Sweden and get laid. This is in contrast to what I heard about that the Far Right is involved in this and also its reaction to the mafia entering the sex, trade. This is really bad news. But there are other places for mongering in Europe that I think are better than Paris. Southern France, Spain, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Finland, and Czech Republic have a lot of good stuff if you know what I mean. Not to mention some other Eastern European countries. But someone's got to talk to these French politicians and get them to lay off the hookers and keep it legal.

If the French criminalize prostitution, they will leave everything wide open for the various criminal mafias to step in and get a foot-hold on France.

Why can't these religious right pecksniffian priggish and unctuous assholes understand this? Did America not learn the hard way with the Volstead Act (prohibition)? Prohibition was what caused the Mafia to take such a tight grip on organized crime in America.

I recommend any guys interested in going to either the Pigalle or Rue St. Denis to avoid it, there are a lot of massage places and strip clubs in those areas, and they are a totall rippoff, I 've heard of guys paying 150 Euros for simply jerking off in front of the woman. Plus the legitimate hookers are too old and very few are good quality. The Arc seems to be the place to find better women, and generally if possible I recommend guys get a car to drive around, although Paris traffic is hell. The reason for this is that I took a cab around the Arc and then I saw this one perfect hooker(I give her a ten, some of you guys might give her an 8 because she had small breasts) and I was unable to tell the driver to stop because I did not speak French. So he dropped me off two blocks away and then when I walked to the spot where she was standing, I saw that another guy had already approached her and she went with the other guy. If I had my own car I would have been able to stop where she was standing to approach her. I have seen MANY beautiful regular women around the Arc as well. One of the more encouraging sights has been the large proportion of interracial couples, though not as many as in Amsterdam. These women find business quite easily and the Arc area is HUGE, I had no idea how large the area was until I was there. Swing clubs are good but if you don't speak French or are not a good looking guy, you won't get laid, also you should be in decent shape for the swing clubs.

My dear Merlin, you got it all wrong !

Here in Europe we don't do anything like everyone else, it's the left wing that wants to criminalize prostitution, the French right wing (and even the far right for that matter) is increasingly in favour of re opening the brothels. We should see some results in about 6 months, if all goes well.
Cross your fingers !

on the rue st. denis if you go in the afternoon, there are parts of the street with women standing around for men, almost all of them are older women. then if you go further, there are strip clubs, porn shops, and massage places, its at these places that you should totally avoid. i had one experience with an attractive french female in her late 30's it wasn't bad, she had a nice tanned fit body and another rarity, a nice hairy pussy, the only bad thing was she asked for extra money for a blowjob which i declined but it was a pretty good fuck although albeit rushed. she would suck my dick and i would fuck her but i wanted the experience with a 20something. the main bad thing about the rue st. denis is that you have to walk by all the peep shows where they have aggressive bouncers literally pulling you in for their shows. for better experiences try your luck around the arc, you get better quality service and younger women, and always if you are an american english speaker tell the women you're canadian, don't say you're british or australian, they won't believe you and they aren't stupid, the experience will be less expensive this way.

Yes Phillipe, I maybe did get it all wrong, I forgot that Right Wing in Europe is a political movement while the Religious Right as defined in the USA is a bunch of obnoxious and racist homophobic fucks, like Jerry Falwell, who probably are very much Left Wing by Euro standards. Sorry, I forgot the cultural and political difference.

No Merlin, it's simply because we just have no Religious Right to speak of here. The only political movements with religious affiliations are stuff like the Christian Democrats, which are about as right wing as the US Democrat party, and several budding muslim movements, mostly Saudi funded, with the kind of discourse you can imagine !
The left wing here is rabidly against prostitution because it's debasing women, it's slavery, you know the rest, just the usual feminazi rantings. We even have one far left movement whose members are prohibited to marry, have children or being gay because it diverts energy that must be fully devoted to the cause of Revolution. I suggest we give them Jerry Falwell, he'll fit in very nicely, although they already stated that their goal was to hang the last boss with the guts of the last priest :)

If you are a young and in shape good looking guy, you could probably get laid for free if you go out to the many discos and nightclubs in Paris. A decent number of French women in their 20's speak quite fluent English, enough to sweet talk them. I spoke to a lady I had met a Paris club, she said some of the physical features most French women seem to like are a not too tall no too short man, slender, dark facial features and skin, chest hair, and dark eyes. They hate guys who are too big and too muscular. On the attitude side most French women seem to like a soft mannered gentleman who is well behaved over a aggressive assertive bad boy troublemaker macho man. Its no wonder I have seen so many French women date North African men, as they seem to fit most of this criteria. As a Latino, I see that I am better appreciated by the French ladies than by American women. Unlike New York City, my hometown, in Paris, a nice guy can finish first.

So alone not so hard, but I will be with a stag party in paris nexts weekend, there are not so many of us but still... what do you suggest? open to all thoughts!

I will be in Paris on business and I am looking for reviews or recommendations for escorts . Any help will be appriciated .
Especially on clubeliteescort.tk or www.prague-bunnies.com
or independent .

Hi,

I read in this forum that at the Arc de Triomphe you can pick up some girls. I have been there this week (Tuesday evening, 10 pm). Not a single girl looking somewhat like a hooker was there! I made the whole way around the damn thing and all I could see was a lot of tourists.
Was it too early? Wrong day?

Disappointed,
Chris

halloerstmal:

Read my earlier posts in this Forum about Paris girls.

Head east from the Arc to the area of the Trocadero (between the Louvre and the Arc) and then go north toward Place de Madeleine. North of the St. Madeleine church up to the St. Malesherbes church in this area, you will see many grade 8 or so young ladies walking and many in cars along the side streets, Especially on PLace des Italiens toward the Opera area.

Best time is usually 10 PM to early hours of morn. This has consistently been my best "fishing" area. Also many of the girls know cabbies with large roomy SUV type vehicles who will cruise around while you are on a "date".

Stay out the area of St. Denis, and Blvd, de Clichy in the Pigalle area. You will find nothing but ripooffs there.

Be wary of gypsies.

We are some American tourists on our way to Paris.We are going to be arriving at the GARE DE NOORD train stations from Amsteram.Can any Paris or(non-Paris)people tell me what kind of girls can be found in this area.

Hi merlin magician,

Thanks for your info.
You said there will be many chicks about grade 8 around St. Malesherbes church. It sound really good. But, do they show any sign that they are "working"? How can I know they are "working"? I won't be nice to ask them whether they are prostitutes :)

Oscar

Well, it's not written on their foreheads, but still, prostitutes are always "a bit too much" overdressed, overlooked, over made-up etc.
One of the best ways to tell, is to go scout one day and stroll around the fishing area to spot the potential, and go back the next day and see if the ladies are still standing waiting for the bus.. ^__^

Er, I'm not such a specialist, but I've never had trouble in the Rue St Denis. Maybe the fact that I'm French or/and always early (Around 4:00 PM) the secret...
What was said before was right though, most of the ladies in Rue St Denis are plain ugly and/or old as Papa Smurf. But if you're into black chicks (which happens to be my case) you can have a really fun time cause they're young, and hey, sexy as hell too. The fees are 30€ for a BJ and 50€ for Half and Half... Can be rushed, but not always...
Early is better, because there's not much customers, they'll seem less in a hurry.

And I also noticed a new spot where there weren't any girls lately: Just above the Rue St Denis across the boulevards, on the left sidewalk of the Boulevard de Strasbourg (Up to the Gare de l'Est) many East Girls there, starting just behind the "Pizza del'Arte" on the corner.

Hope that helps, feel free to ask. ;)

Rusty,

If you can't tell who is really waiting for a bus and who ain't, better hop Ryan Air or Easy Jet to London and go to Soho and the walk ups. Cardboard signs tell it all.

Of course if you see ladies walking around Madeleine area who have "painted up their lips and rolled and curled their tinted hair", well.....Ruby....

Studplayer, what crack are you smokin??? I met a lot of hot French women last year in Paris and they were nice and sweet, you want to meet snootty women, go to New Jersey.

studplayer

only snooty person in Paris is you, when you are in town...
Especially not waiting for you with that kind of attitude.

I agree with you CBGB ...

French Women are amazing, they are among the most beautiful women of the world and some of the friendliest. Anyone who thinks otherwise is on drugs. I will take the beautiful sirens of Paris over New York City any day of the week.

Hi,

This is my first time on this forum.

I was wondering if anyone knows any escorts that I don't have to go streetwalking to find?

Thanks in advance.

CBGB, I'm with you, man. French women are truly among the world's most beautiful and are very friendly. If they are snooty, it's probable one is being an ass or a boor to them. They are human too.

"All the gals in France don't wear any under pance..."

I am going to be in Paris for one night only this Saturday in the airport area, can anyone suggest what to do so I do not waste any time and have fun? Should I go to town for the evening, are there some especially good areas for fishing? Any clubs I should avoid..like gay or transexual areas?
Thanks!!

exbrisboy,

Try http://www.declic.org/lenglish/index.html

I've had some excellent times with a number of these women. I can recommend: Sandra, Valerie & Pam. Very nice experiences indeed. By the way some of these women have their own web sites, so you can check out more details, rates etc...

Good luck.

Regards, Havanaman

ricocafe,

Give Emmanuelle: a call, I'm sure she can help you, if she is otherwise engaged she will point you to one of her friends...

http://www.worldxcite.com/s2e2l.asp?ID=677&Name_=Emmanuelle

Speaks excellent English and will visit you at your place.

Regards,

Havanaman

Perhaps things have changed since the days when I regularly strolled the streets of Paris. But, even with horrible high-school French, and a willing attitude, I always seemed to find a great time there. What happened to Rue St. Denis? The quality of the local talent went from 2/10 to at least a 9.5/10 and the price was reasonable. I can recall some GREAT experiences there. In fact, I'm headed back that way in a couple of months and will post an updated report then. Randy

Randy, in the areas of Rue St. Denis, be wary as hell. I was again there in August 2002. Again, as in 2000,I found the area still swarming with displaced Balkans gypsies. Very scary prospect when you consider women gypsies with their kids can mob and rob you in seconds and if you harm one for picking your pockets, their man is waiting within a few steps away and they carry Stanley razor boxcutters.

And, don't bother with Blvd. de Clichy or the Pigalle areas. It is still shit city there.

Previously the areas immediately north of Place De Madeleine church to the St. Malesherbes church, I have found to be a prime pussy hunting area. It still holds true now.

In August, I did quite a few circuits around the blocks by the Arc de Triumphe. I saw a few really nice ladies around there, but not in numbers like at Madeleine.

Hi,
I was in Paris last month, so I have some fresh info.
First, Rue St. Denis - I was carefull after all the warnings here, and I didn't walk there after 9:00 pm. I did walked there in the morning and afternoon, and didn't have any trouble. While there is still light, there are many people (men and women) traveling there, most of them for shopping and not looking for SW. The Sw are just part of the area...

I was there as early as 11:00 am, and already there were many hookers hanging around. I would say that third of them are old/fat/ugly, and the other two thirds are blacks, some very beutiful. I took one of the blacks, she demanded 30E for BJ and 50 for everything, and after discussion, she agreed for 40E for everything. We went for an apartment, and spent there about 15 minutes. No rush but surely not GFE.

I liked the scene in St. Denis, and didn't feel threatened. If you like black girls, this is a great place. Of course, I didn't even think of going into the night clubs, altough one man hold my arm and tried to convince me to do that - I just kept working.

I also tried to check the scene near the Arc de triumph, in the streets of Macmahon, Wargram, Carnot and the area, but all I found there were two black girls and two old ladies. Maybe I looked in the wrong place? I saw that other memebers couldn't find there anything, so maybe there is some misuderstanding?

Merlin, Thanks for the warning. I have had one bad experience with the Gypsy children on the embankment near the Lourve, and it wasn't pleasant. And that was wwwithout box cutters involved.

Obviously, Rue St. Denis has changed considerably since my time there. I don't recall more than a handful of blacks, and the atmosphere was pretty safe, even well into the night.

It is a shame, it was rather like the fast food court in those American shopping malls. Something for every taste, and at reasonable prices.

Randy

Hello guys


I found a forum(only french)

http://www.escortfr.net

laloupe

I was in Paris few days ago and the most vivid memories I'll have from this trip are about the cold weather and the high cost of living, but certainly nothing memorable about sex.
I started calling girls from the website referenced below (very poolry organized BTW) but ran into vmails for the most part. A certain girl was also quite rude and hung-up on me despite I was (trying to) talking french. Another went over the list of activities like a restaurant menu (actually more like a fixed menu) and woulnd't budge from 200 Euros an hour. Now with all the respect for her long experience (she's 40) I don't think that's a sane price. I gave up for that day and went to dinner instead.
The second day, around midnight, I took the classic 'promenade' around the Arc and guys let me tell you that isn't something to try at wintertime if you don't wear a good coat, plus gloves, scarf and hat. There where very few ladies around, on the streets on the south side, and they didn't looked very attractive neither. Being the hardhead I am, instead of going home I spoke to a strong black lady, and together jumped on a taxi to her place, close to pigalle. We had two rounds of which only the second one was of some (moderate) quality, price paid 150 Euros, the room was quite a dumpster and overall just a mediocre experience.
On my way to the airport the cab driver was trumpeting the variety and availability of the 'putains' of Paris. Yeah right, not for me buddy - at least not this time.

Good news for Paris punters. The French government has now enacted laws to curb aggressive panhandlers and street beggars. Stiff penalties and prison terms will be thrown upon the people, especially the Romani and Kurdish gypsies who use their children in their scams and pickpocketing. Gone will be the aggressive bums and crap who make it perilous for us punters who wander the area around Arc de Triumph looking for great pussy.

G'day...

First time checking out the gos on Paris. I will be there in 3 weeks time for a few days. Its a long way from Melbourne to France (and lonely) so i was interested in advice some Paris regulars might be willing to share. Being an aussie in Europe means thay my money aint worth jack, but if i can find something cheap and nasty, then i am happy to have a poke?

The Rue St.Denis seems to have some fans and some critics! i don't have a problem fucking all day, and doing my drinking at night. I am very much interested in protecting my parts, as i plan to be in the Phillipines later this year for some serious fucking and sucking-ahhh, good old filthy Manila. Paris is supposed to be the city of love so who knows, maybe i can find someone who love me, if only by the hour.

I will keep checking the forum, and i am grateful for any tips/hints you guys can give me. I will post my results (if any) when i get back to Oz.

aussietoy

Hi Aussieboy
sorry to tell this but you might be disappointed with Paris. Expensive and getting more and more difficult to get great fun.
Beside swinger club but this is not easy for a foreigner.
Rue St Denis is the very low end.
Avoid Pigalle, even if famous, this is total rip-off and was maybe fun ... 40 years ago. True : some of the girls in bars are vintage pieces... over 30 years on duty...
Best looking at good prices are former east block girls (you know Rumy's "New Europe" ...) but are hard to find now because of new laws that Merlin is greeting : same law is also forbidding SW activities... Always two sides to a medal...
Considering bars, avoid tourist places like the Baron for example (advertised in many travellers and airlines magazines) : you will spend 2 bottles 400$ each to get a girl out and she will expect another 500 $ to spend time with you... total 1,300 $.
For this price, buy a round trip ticket Paris to Germany (see here about FKK clubs) or to Barcelona or to Amsterdam. W-E ticket will cost you 200 to 300 $ and with remaining $1,000 you will get around 10 times fun... instead of one...
remember that prostitution is only tolerated in France... as always small markets raise the costs...

Bad news
additional to previous message :
A great place of the past is now closed : le Diam's rue du Coliséee (side street Champs Elysées). This was one of the best places...

Very recent test (2 days ago)...
Avoid a place named ANGE BLEU rue Mogador.
(lots of advertisings in Pariscope for example, for this bar which is " top less").
Only positive point : girls (2 only) are good looking... and quite agressive...
but...
as days seems to be hard, they play with all old tricks of rip-off places.
Girls wants you to buy drinks to the old bartender... and she is drinking as quickly as the sink in front of her can get champagne down...
then the old game : girl is short of cigarettes, so ask you to buy her one pack... well : 12 $ and immediate cash...
If you order an old classic, like scotch and coke... it counts like a double drink : so 34 $ compared to $15 for just a scotch...
I really wonder why they didn't already came up with the idea to charge for the ice cubes per piece...
I should patent this idea lol
Bottle of champagne will cost you 1st price $183 and for this all you get is the cheapest quality (cost $8 in stores) and girl will try to make you not come ... but buy twice... plus her direct 400$.... for little fun and at best HJ hardly negotiated...
Cherry on the cake : this one is so evident and old... when you want to pay with card... of course the card reader is out... need to be cash...
So over priced, unfriendly (especially when you ask to make a try with the card ... and Ohhh magic ... it is working... ) well, you go in these places to have fun, not to have to argue for anything in order to be only decently ripped off...
So keep far from it...

eFrog....thanx for the advice mate. It is appreciated. I normally hunt in Asia where you that you get what you pay for, and you don't have to pay very much. Just ia fluke that i will be in Paris for a few days, guess i might just have to sight see and hope the hotel has in-house porn.

Cheers anyway...

I will let you know if i have any luck. Starbucks in the Phillipines is a easy pick-up, maybe i shall just have to find the french equivalent and get the lady plastered.

Thanx

Aussietoy

Hello,

I am planning to be in Paris in early May.

Last time I was in France we arrived on the morning of 9/11 and the French people all over the country (stayed 3 weeks) we're incredibly warm and sympathetic.

Any thoughts about what sort of reception I can anticipate as an American now that the international political situation has so deteriorated?

Thanks in advance for your comments.
NYHOTCPL

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nyhotcpl
[i]Hello,

I am planning to be in Paris in early May.

Last time I was in France we arrived on the morning of 9/11 and the French people all over the country (stayed 3 weeks) we're incredibly warm and sympathetic.

Any thoughts about what sort of reception I can anticipate as an American now that the international political situation has so deteriorated?

Thanks in advance for your comments.
NYHOTCPL [/i][/QUOTE]

There are absolutely no change in the French daily attitute in regards to the Americans , of course if you carry a flag saying I am an American and Bush is right and we f...k you French , somebody may say to you some nasty thing.
Anyway enjoy Paris and the French beauties

G'day lads..just returned from France. In terms of our sport, nothing going with the locals. I went to the main tourist attractions and also round some poorer areas. France is a joke for those who play our game. But having said that, at the major tourist sights, Champs Elysee and Eiffel tower, there are lots of other tourists out to have a good time. I did pick up a Japenese girl there and though we had a great afternoon, in the end i was left to my own handiwork! Lots of foreign students would be your best chance, but remember, Paris is an expensive city and money talks!

As for feeling safe, well, i am an aussie and i did have one bloke try to start a fight with me because australia has sent troops to Iraq. I learnt to say the "bush is bastard" in french and most people are okay with that, but you would not want to adviertise that you support the war. There are alot of North African muslims in France, Morrcans, Tunisians, Algreians that despise the west. Play it safe there, no point in causing trouble or losing blood over a politician! We are there for love, or at least lust, not war.

Safely back in melbourne Town

The aussietoy

Can anyone tell me where I can find young, black attractive girls in Paris? I'm a 27 year old African-American so I'm looking for black pussy when I go to Paris. Also any info on Latin girls will be helpful!!! Thanks!

Hello Guys !

Aussietoy you're right France is not a good deal (believe me I come from here).

2 possibilities : hookers, but who come in france for a fast BJ with rubber in a car, or escort wich can be found in local paper but expensive, rubber only and you're not sure the job will be well done !

Phil : the only way I know to meet black pussy is to go in subburbs ("banlieue" in french) but this is unsafe places (burned cars, etc) but maybe if you're black and say you come from America you will be a star (you look as Michael Jordan ?)!

But here, many muslims people who are very angry about what is going on Irak !!! So you may not be welcomed!

Or try black hookers, but for my own experience, I tried many and they are not a good deal (maybe because I'm white ...)

Sorry guys but if I where you I didn't go to France to have sex.

Sicarius

[QUOTE]Originally posted by phil
[i]Can anyone tell me where I can find young, black attractive girls in Paris? I'm a 27 year old African-American so I'm looking for black pussy when I go to Paris. Also any info on Latin girls will be helpful!!! Thanks! [/i][/QUOTE]You may want to try the black hookers who are working on the Boulevard des Marechaux (bd Soult,Bd Ponatiowski and Bd Davout), I have seen so pretty ones.
sincerely

hi Phil,

sorry for the poor quality of the answers of the two last guys here.
They only go for cheap... just kidding.
You will find all you want at Ruby Club, rue Dauphine. It starts late in night, get there around midnight, it will be at least 20 to 30 great black chicks young and sexy to choose from. (As you are Afro American, this is the place to meet your Afro part... most girls are from Africa and speak perfect English... isn't this fun ?)
They will expect you to reward the great night with a decent contribution but they are not pro so that if you negotiate well... you may even get GFE for an all night stay and take her out next day for some shopping.
What can be great fun with a sexy chick.
If you are very good looking you may get incredible fun in swinger clubs, a lot are listed here so no need to repeat their addresses, just check former posts. Black guys are very appreciated.
No problem with US guys, they are always welcome when not arrogant but, honnestly, is this so unusual anywhere, anytime,... (frogs are less stupid than the Fox News idiots... lol)

Thanks for the info eFrog (I must admit you've got a very interesting user name). Thanks also for the info from Denis and Sicarius. eFrog can you tell me the best day to go to Ruby Club and also can you give an estimate of how much the girls usually want. I remember reading about that place about 3 years on here.

I didn't see the info on swinger clubs that you were talking about but I try to do some additional research. Thanks.

Hi Guys

Any good vietnamese pussies in Paris??

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AMPGuest
[i]Hi Guys

Any good vietnamese pussies in Paris?? [/i][/QUOTE]

Nope...the chinese have eaten them all.....

Hi

I heard that there are Arab working girls in France from Morroco, Algeria and Tunisia. Where can we find them?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lalo77
[i]Hi

I heard that there are Arab working girls in France from Morroco, Algeria and Tunisia. Where can we find them? [/i][/QUOTE]

There are a lot of North African girls working in the Bois de Vincennes (in minivans) or near boulevard de la Guyanne (behind the Boulevard peripherique between porte Dorée and Porte de Vincennes (most of them are fat and old)

Hi Phil,

sorry I was out of town couple of days , so a late answer, hope still useful.
Ruby is open every night and in summer period is busy every night...
Only you need to get late : around midnight because that's when most girls are arriving.
In normal night you have at least 20 to 30 but even more. They are half pro. Meaning the place is not like a bar or a club like tourist rip off like Baron or similar.
All is working like a disco.
You need to "make your market". The girls are not harassing you to get a drink or pay for a bottle.
They expect some compensation and so your negotiation skill has to work. But I say half pro, because if you are very good, you can get some to play the real GF attitude and then you are not expected to pay but to be also acting as BF... what means next day taking her out or go and have shopping with her...
Most or close to all are either students or have day jobs in Paris shops and are coming to have fun or to get money to get fun... lol...
Considering the swinger club it might be in the archive.
Check about Cheminée, 2+2, Triangle, Quai 47, ... there are extensive reports here so no need to repeat them again.

lalo
beside you are only on arab girls focussed, why on earth would you want to have the poorest attitude girls on the market...
Lazzy, bad looking, poor hygien,...
Paris is much better for latina, russian or black girls : remember French African countries... they are sweet.
And if you want great fun, get to 13th ; Chinatown and you will enjoy the best of Asia far from SRAS risk.....

Hi efrog,
Where in the 13th can we find "the best of Asia" ?
Any street girls there ? (what time of the day ?). Is the action mainly in clubs or "american bars" ?
Any info is welcome,
Thanks.

Hello there,I will be going to Paris in August and I am enquiring about the Parisian scene, I would like to meet a few French or foreign women during my time in Paris.

I want to visit a massage parlour or a brothel, also I am interested in visiting a swingers club or club des rencontres in French.I wonder
if you could recommend a good club which also admits single men.

If you can my enquires please let me know, I would very much appreciate it.

mr.reilly

Does anybody have the latest seen on Paris? I have not been there for two years, I had a great time with the women there.

What is the latest action on Avenue Foch? Are the girls still in their Mercedes and BMW's around 5 pm? I remember the hookers were in there cars waiting for guys to get off work.

What about the DU BOIS DE BOULOGNE? Is it still busy with those sluts? What percentage of the girls in the Du Bois de Boulogne are men? Anybody have any estimates of how many are men?

[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation mistakes in this report. However, with everything else I have to do to maintain the forum, I don't really want to spend my time doing this every day, so I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect everyone to be a great writer, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. [i]Thanks![/i][/size][/blue]

To "I love sluts":
Yes, in avenue Foch, there are always 5 or 6 girls, usually in car.
I saw the black BMW. But I found nicer girls in small car like Renault Clio. Sometimes extremelly beautifull women. Sometimes to old but still charming... going rates is 80 euros. But I didn't try their services so I don't know what you get for this price.

In Le Bois de Boulogne, there are mostly transexuels, but I noticed some eastern europe young girls at la Porte d'Auteuil near le Bois. Usually 4 girls, about 20 years old, may be even a bit younger, when you enter Paris at this Porte d'Auteuil, you will find them on the right side of the road, near the last trees before entering in Paris. Because this is outside, you only find them when it is not raining. They seems like good girls from the eastern country, almost students, not tipical ***** if there weren't their miniskirts. That's all I know...

Just a short word of caution: There are no brothels in France and very few massage parlours (they are forbidden).

Try the well-known rue Saint Denis in the afternoon or evening, the bois de Boulogne (mainly transexuals) or the "portes" (porte Maillot, porte d'Auteuil, all portes in the 16th or 17th arrondissements).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mr.reilly
[i]Hello there,I will be going to Paris in August and I am enquiring about the Parisian scene, I would like to meet a few French or foreign women during my time in Paris.

I want to visit a massage parlour or a brothel, also I am interested in visiting a swingers club or club des rencontres in French.[/quote]

Gents,

I'm going to Paris again soon after a long while. 2 questions to those who live there or otherwise have fresh experience:

1) The swinger clubs. What's the latest news on them? Are Au Pluriel and Le Chéminee still good ones? Which ones admit single men? Prices to get in? Any notable new ones opened up recently?

2) The ladies in cars round Madeleine. How do you approach them? Do you knock on the car window, or just stop standing next to the car, or what?
Last time I was there, I took one of the ones standing on the sidewalk, average experience, and would like to try a more mature one in a car.

Elton,

The ladies in the cars are the easiest ones to deal with. It's not difficult at all. Just walk by the car and make eye contact if possible. She will ask you if you need her. Turn up your hearing aids. They are usually soft spoken. "Avec le Pipe" is a BJ and "le Amour is a straight fuck.

If you also will go to that corner bistro that is one block south and to the west of the St. Malesherbes church loking toward Madelaine, you will be able to choose from a pretty good parade of nice ladies usually after 10:00 PM.

From there south toward Madelaine, you will find many more parked cars and ladies walking.

This area has lways been my best punting hunting. Most of the walking ladies know cabbies with large Peugeot or Reneault minivans who will cruise you both around for a small sum.

Stay off St. Denis and for sure stay off Blvd. de Clichy / Rue Pigalle (aka Pig Alley) unless you are going to the Moulin Rouge only.

Yes! What eFrog said. I second that!

We are missing the answer to the most important part of the question: What about the swinger clubs?

I have not been to Paris for a few years but I used to go to Triangle, Prive, Le Cheminee, and Dany's. Are any of these still around and which ones are the best for single guys

Thanks in advance.

Bonsoir,
just back from gay Paree. Stayed in Etoile area, which has been really cleaned up. Only saw 3 SW on whole Northern side of the circle. Whoever did the cleaning did a really comprehensive job.
Only action in Paris worth trying are the swingers clubs, but for a single man, the pickings are slim and you'll need to share or fight off lots of sweaty hard-ons like yours. Many of the clubs open in the afternoons at 4 P.M. until 8-9 for single men but you'll have to realiza that you're not the only one in the city looking to thread the needle in the mile of the workday; competition is fierce. Most popular is Cheminee. Went to Au Pluriel and Le Escapade on a Tues. night - They allow in single men, even if there are no women. Au Pluriel, which is one of the best usually, had 2 couples and about 15 men. Action was slow, so I walked to Escapade. A special place with wonderful decor, had 1 couple and 10 men. the couple left quickly ( she looked very uncomfortable and who can blame her) There are lots of these clubs now all over the city , and every time I visit there are a few more and some that change ownership/name/style so need to o research each time.
Conclusion: find an escort and go to one of the clubs that allow in only couples, or hit the clubs that allow in single men on Fri or Sat night.

Sounds like a tough time for singles. I am in Paris for 4 nights arriving on a Wednesday and leaving on Sunday. What clubs would you suggest for Friday and Saturday evenings - and do you need to make a reservation. I remember Le Cheminee had a call-first policy or you could not get in. A guy at the door had a list to check your name.

Hiring an escort to go to a club for an entire evening sounds too expensive.

IMHO, Au Pluriel and L'escapade are the best, but at swingers clubs it's always hit and miss situation. Also, probably need to be a regular and local to know which are the current trendy "in" places, the types of crowds they attract ,etc. to best guage your chances for success. With all of the new clubs available, this is probably very fluid now, just like with music clubs.
Enjoy, and let us know what you find.

elton & sorcerer, I wrote a long posting about a year ago about the swing club scene in Paris for the single man and I think it still holds true with the exception that a few new clubs have opened. I have probably been in a Paris club privee on at least 200 occasions over a period of four years. I can attest that it can be heaven or hell depending on who shows up. No matter, you will pay anyway! Read my post to see how to decide to split immediately, at least in the winter.

Au Pluriel allows single men every night that they are open. However, it is always the luck of the draw to see how many women show up. Friday and Saturday are of course the best nights, but I've had some very hot nights on Sundays and Thursdays as well.

Le Cheminee can be very wild and is much more aggressive compared to many of the clubs. If you like gang-bang action, then LC is probably a good place to go. Friday nights require a call until they know you and it will be packed. Sunday afternoons can be unbelievably wild.

I've never taken an escort to one of the clubs although I've wanted to in order to attend some of the couples only clubs which are supposed to be heaven.

If you happen to hit Au Pluriel on a good night, I promise you will not believe the sexy women and the things that go on.

Have fun.

Ca Traveler,
How are you? Haven't seen you posting in awhile. I was in Paris a week and a half ago - since your advice about a year and a half ago, I've been to Pluriel a bunch of times. I find Escapade's numbers more stable. Have been also to some of the others and newer ones.
Will be in Paree again in the beginning of July, if you're interested on trying to hook up again.

iseeu, I've been around but mostly on the Russian side... now that I've discovered the joy of beautiful Russian flesh, I can't seem to get it out of my mind and have there 7 times and spent a total of about 5 of the past 15 months there and heading back again in 2 weeks.

If you've never been and you get a chance, I strongly advise a trip to Moscow... I promise it will blow your mind!

Does Escapade have a website?
I'll try to find your older post.

Thanks

Ca Traveler.

Did you post under the same name? I searched the website for your username and only 2 recent posts came up

CA traveler,
Yes, I've been and the sheer quantities are boggling. Haven't been to Moscow in about 2 years though. Was in St. Pete about 4 months ago. I saw some of the most beautiful pros I have ever seen at some of the nightclubs there.
Interesting enough , I find that out of the motherland the Russian girls get an attitude and are less deparate and therefore less service oriented. There are of course exceptions, but given a room full of nationalities, I knock the Russians off the rotation at the start.
Enjoy!

Hi guys,

A piece of advice from a Parisian. I'm relatively new top this "scene" but I'm French & been living in Paris for about a year now.

Rue St Denis : Cheap but generally poor quality. Exception made of a few, mature but still desirable ladies and 2 or 3 nice black chicks. About 60-80 eur for the full pull.

Around the Arc de Triomphe : forget it. Generally the girls are ugly or outrageously expensive. I actually got mobbed by one girl there (she brouhgt me to her place nearby and after about 5 minutes and my pants down 2 guys came out of the kitchen to mob me... nice experience).

The bois de boulogne : cheap (30-50) but you don't know until the very last second (if at all) if the girl, well, is a girl.

Swingers clubs: just tried once, last week end. Le Prélude, rue de Richelieu. Well, nice spot but the atmosphere wasn't great. Didn't stay very long. Not long enough at least...

If anyone has good leads in Paris, I'm VERY interested. I hear that around Madeleine is not bad (Eglise Malhesherbes?)

Bob

iseeu... I agree with you that a RU or most other girls go way downhill AFTER they've been Westernized/Americanized. That's why you've got to jump through the hoops to visit Russia to experience the "real" Russian experience! In fact, I fell in love with Russian girls at the Mikado while visiting Helsinki. Then, I visited Spb and Moscow and I soon realized that the girls that travel to Helsinki are primarily only there because they can't compete with the young beauties at home in Spb. I haven't been back to Helsinki since I began traveling to Russia. :)

sorcerer... you probably should try the archives 2001-2002 or you could search for californiatraveler.

I totally agree. Russian chicks rule. Moscow and St Petersburg are out of this world. Funny enough, loads of quality chicks from Russia can be found in Dubai. The Russian ones that I've met in Paris were great, but second tear to Dubai and Russia.

cheers

Bob Denard,

You are correct about Place de St. Madelaine/ St. Malesherbes area. I stay in Paris about four times yearly and this my favorite area.

From the St. Malesherbes church south toward St. Madeleine church is pretty prime pickings area with nice older ladies to all the way up to the grade 8 and 9 young hotties. Best time is after 9:00 PM. I have seen some pretty nice stuff in daytime there too.

Most of the older ladies work out of their cars (usually a Mercedes or Citroen) in the side streets along this area. Pretty safe bj (avec le pipe)in the car about avg. 20 Euro.

All the younger ladies know cabbies who let you ride around cheap and get a nice "avec le pipe" or F/S (le amour) in the back of a roomy taxi van. Prices range from 30 to 40 for bj to up to 80 to 100 Euro for F/S or 1/2 & 1/2..

Hey Mongers,

Check out the Arc and the street corner of Avenue Foch around 4 or 5 oclock, you will get hot business women selling their body. The spot is right in front of Club Foch, the women will be looking to get picked up. The women in their cars are almost always older on avenue foch with there blinking lights.

The Bois de Boulogne has the hottest chicks though, but you must be prepared to make sure they are not a guy. I bet 75 percent are guys , but I have picked up chicks here that were so hot. Yes they were really female, not transgenered. The hottest ones in the Du Bois are male, be careful. Never pick up a black girl here, their pimp is close and will rip you off. I picked up a black girl who looked like Vanessa Williams, and she ripped me off.

The streets off to the side opposite Avenue Foch always has some lookers from many foreign countries. I do no remember the streets, but they were one street in a complete 180 angle from Avenue Foch around the Arc, go down one street from the Arc and there will be plenty around midnight.

I have spent some time at the Meridien Hotel, Montparnasse, Paris. Usually in the bar area in the entrance lobby from 9pm till midnight there are some single girls drinking coca cola. These girls are available and if you smile at them they will smile back - and contact is made.

It was at the hotel that I met "Loubna". She is a Morrocan girl aged about 20 and agrred to come to the room. For €100 we had girlfriend sex in the bed/on the bed every where. She gives french kisses as though she really loved you and a bbbj, but wants a condom fo sex. She was so nice I took her number for next time.

The next occasion I called and she asked if I would pay for the taxi to/from the hotel - so paid €160. Again we had boy/girlfriend sex and a shower together. All in all an hour of fun. Her body is very good although she has a small bent tooth and a cut (scar) under one eye.

She asked me to give her number to friends but not post it on the internet as she worked independantly and did not want a "pimp" to find her. However when she went to go I offered to take her to a taxi. I went down with her to the lobby and she said it was OK and she will go on her own. I said goodbye but looked where she went. Outsude there was a man waiting for her and they both got into a white van - the taxi! I guess the man was her pimp/boyfriend.

Anyway I will call her again because she is good fun - gives all - and does not watch the clock and think of a way to disseminate her number.

Anyway there are other girls dicreetly sitting in the bar area of the lobby - asking €150 to €200 but can be negotiated easily down to €100.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darren Roberts
[i]I have spent some time at the Meridien Hotel, Montparnasse, Paris. Usually in the bar area in the entrance lobby from 9pm till midnight there are some single girls drinking coca cola. These girls are available and if you smile at them they will smile back - and contact is made.

It was at the hotel that I met "Loubna". She is a Morrocan girl aged about 20 and agrred to come to the room. For €100 we had girlfriend sex in the bed/on the bed every where. She gives french kisses as though she really loved you and a bbbj, but wants a condom fo sex. She was so nice I took her number for next time.

The next occasion I called and she asked if I would pay for the taxi to/from the hotel - so paid €160. Again we had boy/girlfriend sex and a shower together. All in all an hour of fun. Her body is very good although she has a small bent tooth and a cut (scar) under one eye.


She asked me to give her number to friends but not post it on the internet as she worked independantly and did not want a "pimp" to find her. However when she went to go I offered to take her to a taxi. I went down with her to the lobby and she said it was OK and she will go on her own. I said goodbye but looked where she went. Outsude there was a man waiting for her and they both got into a white van - the taxi! I guess the man was her pimp/boyfriend.

Anyway I will call her again because she is good fun - gives all - and does not watch the clock and think of a way to disseminate her number.

Anyway there are other girls dicreetly sitting in the bar area of the lobby - asking €150 to €200 but can be negotiated easily down to €100. [/i][/QUOTE]

Darren,
I am now in Paris could you email me her number? denis_cap@hotmail.com
Thanks

Hi guys,

I am looking for asian girls in Paris (specially Japanese ones). Does anyone know where I can find some? I don t mind the price just want Asian girls.

Thank you.

Darren or Denis

I would also appreciate getting Loubna's phone number (email to mario-x@boxfrog.com).

I will be in Paris later this month, in fact was thinking I should stay in the Montparnnase area because I have to take a train from that station when I leave Paris. I might hang out at the Meridien on your advice, but I would be more likely (in terms of taste and budget) to choose a nearby 2-star hotel. Would you happen to have any such hotel recommendations in Montparnasse?

Sultana Sixty-Two

***** I have editied this post from the original content to update it with the latest information *****


This is a new club - about 4 months old. Located in Pigalle 62 Rue J.B. Pigalle 75009
Tel 01 48 78 15 75

Ordinarily I would recommend staying away from Pigalle due to the high pressure rip-offs but this is an exception.

They call it a Club Libertim. It is essentrially a swing club. Not quite as liberal as the German swing clubs - but VERY liberal for a Paris club.

They also offer very erotic massages. The cost is 50 Euros to get in (daytime) and 70 Euros (nighttime). The massage is 50 Euro if you buy it with the entry and 100 Euros if you buy it later. I think for 50 euros more you can get full service.

HOWEVER - I wnet back Saturday night and they charged me 70+100. I think the fact that I do not speak French put me at a disadvantage (RIPPED OFF)

Drinks are a bit steep. The cheapest are soft drinks - 7 euros daytime 15 euros night time. There is no pressure to buy drinks and no pressure from the girls to buy drinks. I was talking to one beautiful girls who was "on staff" as a massage-pro and she had a soft drink and did not have to pay. They have a fully equipped bar and the costs can SKYROCKET for liquor. I saw some drinks for 30 euros and some wine or champagne for over 100 euros. But that is your choice.

The club is very modern and has a big jacuzzi as well as a number of well appointed rooms. One room has a big St Andrews cross and toys. The other rooms have large beds for playtime. As soon as you walk in you are given a key for a locker. You leave your clother and valuales in the locker and you wear a towel. This is very good because now everyone is "ready" and in the mood to jump into the Jacuzzi. And they do ... And after to jacuzzi you can shower together ... and they do ... and there is both a steam sauna and a dry sauna. Both are used by people. Giving a nice massage to a naked lady is a great way to break the ice for a follow-on massage on one of the many beds.

There are plenty of condoms and lube packets in each room.

I went in the afternoon. The "real people" do not come to swing then. They have a small staff of professionals for massage.
I has a VERY erotic massage from a young student named Teetay. That is a phonetic spelling. Lasted about a hour - full body to body with her using every part she has on every part I have. She included a RIM JOB, a BBBJ, and lots of body to body work as well as kissing. A real GFE.

She manipulated the masage for an hour to keep me very at a very high state and she kept backup off when I was ready to cum. She softly massaged me to a slow letdown - saying she wanted to save me for later. ????

Later, not part of the massage, we went into the Jacuzzi together. She did an underwater BBBJ and took it all in! Now I know why she wanted to save it.

Saturday I had a massage from a young girl names Cindy. Not very good and she tried to hustle me for an extra 30 euro for a "hand finish". So it is a mixed bag there. Negotiate BEFORE you get the massage.

In the evenings, the place if full of amateur swingers. Mostly couples staying with other couples. A couple ofloose women making the rounds. Being a new club, the people who come are not as "hard" as those who go to Cheminee. (Did that also - not so good)

Sorcerer,

I'll take a look at this place, Sultana 62, a Club Libertim, when I go next month.

If 50 Eur entry and 50 Eur massage is for an hour at the price you say, it is a good deal. Any pressure for tips?

I will report on the place. It may well be a one of a kind.

However, I'm still a little hinky about places in the Pigalle/Blvd de Clichy area.

I updated the post by editing it. Take a new look. I was also very skeptical about Pigalle. This is not on the Blvd. Chichy and does not have touts outside bringing you in. It is a very high class club with exceptionally clean areas decorated in a very expensive way. You can see that lots of money was put into this place. They screen you on the way in to keep out the drunks etc.

I was surprised by Rue Pigalle the first time I went there. I had actually walked there from Blvd des Italiennes by the Opera.

It is really a quiet area and what surprised me was the coziness of it. However, when I reached the end where it intersects with the metro station and de Clichy, things sure lit up. The Moulin Rouge is at this intersection.

All along here too from Italiennes to Pigalle, I saw many ladies in cars looking for "avec le pipe"customers.

A lot of ladies were also on foot, mostly older and plumper. Funny thing, all these older ones seem to buy their tan trenchcoats at the same shops. Kinda like a uniform, I guess. (Reminds me of a German hooker I once saw in Honolulu. She wore a tan trenchcoat over her skimpy bikini.)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Merlin Magician
[i]I was surprised by Rue Pigalle the first time I went there. I had actually walked there from Blvd des Italiennes by the Opera.

It is really a quiet area and what surprised me was the coziness of it. However, when I reached the end where it intersects with the metro station and de Clichy, things sure lit up. The Moulin Rouge is at this intersection.

All along here too from Italiennes to Pigalle, I saw many ladies in cars looking for "avec le pipe"customers.

A lot of ladies were also on foot, mostly older and plumper. Funny thing, all these older ones seem to buy their tan trenchcoats at the same shops. Kinda like a uniform, I guess. (Reminds me of a German hooker I once saw in Honolulu. She wore a tan trenchcoat over her skimpy bikini.) [/i][/QUOTE]

merlin,
do not trust to much the girls in this area, it is mostly rip off and poor service. if you are into SW , choose the Eastern Europe girls working on the Boulevard de Marechaux, they are uselly much younger and if you offer extra money they will treat you like a king.

Denis

Thanks Denis,

Yes, I am aware of any hazards in Pigalle area. How do you think it gained the nicname of "Pig Alley?"

You are correct, de Marchaux is good for Eastern Euro girls. Eastern Euro girls are world class beauties, as are the French ladies.

As usual, I will be staying in the Madeleine/Malesherbes area again, which is my favorite haunt.

Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried the saunas in Paris. I hear it can be pretty hot and that couples actually hang around looking for single men???

Thanks for your input

Bob

Hi Guys, Well I got a question.Last time I went to Paris I stayed at the Holiday Inn at Republic square.I did everything you guys advised me to do. I went down near the Louvre museum, walked around the Eiffel Tower and the Presidents house or something but no luck .What am I doing wrong or more specifically where should I look.I am planning a trip to Paris this October and it would be nice to meet some people from Paris with whom I can discuss this.

To Bono

I am a little surprised that anybody told you that you might be lucky near or around the Elysees.

My recommendation would be to walk from Republique to Strasbourg Saint Denis ("les grands boulevards"), and then go down rue Saint-Denis, towards les halles. Don't do that after 10pm, though.

A little more "up-market", you could decide to walk near the Madeleine Church, after 7 or 8pm.

Have a nice stay.

St. Denis is OK if you like 60 year old fat women in old-world clothing. Are you kidding!

Regarding Rue St Denis, my experience is not all that bad, IF you like Asian and/or black girls.

The few white girls working there are old and ugly, or druggies, no question about that - but Asian and black ones are available in all shapes, sizes and aging 20 and upwards.

Madeleine is definately more upmarket. Last time I was there, earlier this summer, the asking price in Madeleine was 80-100 Euros, in St Denis the lowest quote I got was 50 Euros.

About rue Saint-Denis.

Agreed, rue Saint Denis is not always as it should be (or as it used to be 10 years ago). But there are usually a dozen "not unpretty" girls (mostly black, yes) and a dozen, let us say, older or less pretty ones.

French people will usually start talking on the basis of 30 euros (more only if the girl is pretty, or if you want a "longer" job than usual ).

Concerning Madeleine, I have no idea about prices. 100 euros would seem very high to me, unless the girl is very pretty.

I made an interesting observation a couple of weeks ago: I walked down Rue St. Denis at 5 p.m. Saturday night and saw a dark hottie that I was interested in. Since she was in conversation with a potential customer I walked on and - because I was horny like hell - choose a different chick down the road, not quite so beautiful but also dark and sexy. When we were finished, I walked by the original girl again but - since I had had sex just a couple of minutes ago - had to promise her to see her the next day.

The next Sunday morning @ around 7 a.m. (yes, I am an early bird) I walked through St. Denis again and guess what: That girl was still standing on the same corner! Actually she didn't wait for me, but like many of her colleagues, spent the whole night on the street! Does anyone know whether they simply don't want to miss a single potential customer of if they just don't have their own room and the room they go with you isn't their own (rented) room but that of friends? Would be really interesting to find out. Unfortunately I cannot find out myself, since I'm not in France anymore.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Getopardo
[i]To Bono

I am a little surprised that anybody told you that you might be lucky near or around the Elysees.

My recommendation would be to walk from Republique to Strasbourg Saint Denis ("les grands boulevards"), and then go down rue Saint-Denis, towards les halles. Don't do that after 10pm, though.

A little more "up-market", you could decide to walk near the Madeleine Church, after 7 or 8pm.

Have a nice stay. [/i][/QUOTE]
Thanks dude,By the way are you from Paris>I am just curious. So I will take up on your recommendations and If i am lucky I owe you a beer

My experiance with St. Denis is varied.

One time an asian chick rocked my world. Most other times, the white chicks are racist and wont come near you unless if you are european looking. I guess they had so much shit from the Algerians living in France so they avoid all dark men.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bono
[i]Hi Guys, Well I got a question.Last time I went to Paris I stayed at the Holiday Inn at Republic square.I did everything you guys advised me to do. I went down near the Louvre museum, walked around the Eiffel Tower and the Presidents house or something but no luck .What am I doing wrong or more specifically where should I look.I am planning a trip to Paris this October and it would be nice to meet some people from Paris with whom I can discuss this. [/i][/QUOTE]

Hi Bono,
the guys who told you about these areas were just kidding you. Why don't you try to ring at White House and ask GWB if Monica is still around, visit Metropolitan Museum NYC hoping that wxxxres are watching the Lehman collection or get to Statue of Liberty and check about streetworkers around...
Street action in Paris is very bad since recent new laws about SW that are really enforced... past it was a joke.
If you really wanna get some action :
- St Denis is gambling but at least there is a pot to play with ;-))
- Boulevard des Maréchaux : risky and forget if you don't have a car... where do you want to have fun ? on the street, selling tickets for watching Big Bono's Bone game ?
- around Madeleine is a good advice... if you don't like fresh meat... This is like trying a blind date at Miami princesses area... don't forget Viagra... for her... and anyway expensive... for street business
- Vincennes and Bois de Boulogne, beside in last one : your nice pick may show great balls... or what's left of it... in both case you must be ready to get the bottom tier... where sometime it can be good luck with newcomer. But mostly poor service rush and highly pro in bad acceptation of pro... 30 sec done.
- on Champs Elysees , late in night and mostly junkies still enough good looking to beg there (it is the right word sorry) before being burned and get to Boulevard des Marechaux bad areas.
- Porte Maillot, half and half , odds are against you but the casino doesn't always win to surprise is possible
- rue de Provence behind Galerie Lafayette, can be some luck if... if... but 1 out of ten... just cheap anyway....
- around Arc de Triomphe (bld Presbourg, Avenue Victor Hugo, Avenue Marceau, Avenue de Wagram...) this can be a good area especially thanks non pro sometimes but again it is against the casino and here also recent laws dropped working w-attendance...
You know the best in Paris are the clubs. Not the rip-off places named american bars (fun isn't it), I am speaking of few places or swinger clubs. The fee you pay to get in is mostly cheaper than what you pay for one on the streets and there if you are lucky, it is all you can eat (nice image).
There are a lot but I would hate to ruin some of them by giving here the addresses...
You know what I mean : many time US guys are ruining good places either by over paying tipping or worth with poor attitude.
OK for a beer you promissed in an other mail and maybe if you prove reliable, I would get you direct some good addresses.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob Denard
[i]Hi Guys,

Has anyone tried the saunas in Paris. I hear it can be pretty hot and that couples actually hang around looking for single men???

Thanks for your input

Bob [/i][/QUOTE]

lol,

mostly in sauna couples are MM and so instead of 2 you will get 4 balls in your back what will make a strange 6 balls.
I knew about eight balls but you can try with 6...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by eFrog
[i]Hi Bono,
the guys who told you about these areas were just kidding you. Why don't you try to ring at White House and ask GWB if Monica is still around, visit Metropolitan Museum NYC hoping that wxxxres are watching the Lehman collection or get to Statue of Liberty and check about streetworkers around...
Street action in Paris is very bad since recent new laws about SW that are really enforced... past it was a joke.
If you really wanna get some action :
- St Denis is gambling but at least there is a pot to play with ;-))
- Boulevard des Maréchaux : risky and forget if you don't have a car... where do you want to have fun ? on the street, selling tickets for watching Big Bono's Bone game ?
- around Madeleine is a good advice... if you don't like fresh meat... This is like trying a blind date at Miami princesses area... don't forget Viagra... for her... and anyway expensive... for street business
- Vincennes and Bois de Boulogne, beside in last one : your nice pick may show great balls... or what's left of it... in both case you must be ready to get the bottom tier... where sometime it can be good luck with newcomer. But mostly poor service rush and highly pro in bad acceptation of pro... 30 sec done.
- on Champs Elysees , late in night and mostly junkies still enough good looking to beg there (it is the right word sorry) before being burned and get to Boulevard des Marechaux bad areas.
- Porte Maillot, half and half , odds are against you but the casino doesn't always win to surprise is possible
- rue de Provence behind Galerie Lafayette, can be some luck if... if... but 1 out of ten... just cheap anyway....
- around Arc de Triomphe (bld Presbourg, Avenue Victor Hugo, Avenue Marceau, Avenue de Wagram...) this can be a good area especially thanks non pro sometimes but again it is against the casino and here also recent laws dropped working w-attendance...
You know the best in Paris are the clubs. Not the rip-off places named american bars (fun isn't it), I am speaking of few places or swinger clubs. The fee you pay to get in is mostly cheaper than what you pay for one on the streets and there if you are lucky, it is all you can eat (nice image).
There are a lot but I would hate to ruin some of them by giving here the addresses...
You know what I mean : many time US guys are ruining good places either by over paying tipping or worth with poor attitude.
OK for a beer you promissed in an other mail and maybe if you prove reliable, I would get you direct some good addresses. [/i][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info man.Well I will still treat you to a few drinks if you can provide me with the info I need.I really want to do some French women as I have never had one of them . Well may I ask are you French? Anyhow I know about us ruining things for thepeople there by over paying but thats because we do not have any idea on what to pay. Maybe we should have a forum discussion on this .
Thanks again and talk to you soon>Bono

Anyone tried Wild Escorts http://www.wild-escorts.co.uk/ ?
Escorts (Russian) seem to tour Paris regularly. Would be grateful for input.

Toscana

Paris is now a verry bad place for street action. The Marecheaux bld used to be a place with a lot of different ladies. Now it's verry bad and there is a lot of police.

You can have some action in a van in the Bois the Vincenne for cheap near the Hypodrome. Anyway places like Pigale and Rue Saint Denis are rip off.

Enjoy Paris anyway.

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Hi guys, I'm going to France, Belgium, and Holland. Do I need a VISA for these countries if I will travel with an US passport? Thanks.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doctor Grim
[i]Hi guys, I'm going to France, Belgium, and Holland. Do I need a VISA for these countries if I will travel with an US passport? Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]

Again, no

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeniorCitizen
[i]Again, no [/i][/QUOTE]

Citizens of the United States only need a valid passport with atleast six months to expiration to travel throught most European countries.As senior citizen said no . Hope that clarifies the positon .With an American passport you dont need a visa to go most places

Going to be in Paris one night only. Staying on the Champs Elysee. I believe that is near Avenue Foch. Can anyone tell me where the current action is? I'd like to meet an attractive young woman, 20's, french or euro don't matter; $$$ no object..but the less I spend the happier I will be :)

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FlyBy,

Go north from the Trocadero and head toward Place de Madelaine. Anyplace north of Madelaine to Malesherbes. You may find a few ladies between Troc and Mad also.

Dont go to De Clichy, Pigalle, or St Denis. Take a bodyguard if you do.

I'm finding the girls are thinning out, but one reason is this is August and everybody holidays in August in France.

The other reason and this distresses me deeply, is that the police have used the new street crime laws to start harassing the Working Girls. This law was originally designed to cut street crime targeting tourists like purse snatchers and Gypsies who pickpocket and use their kids to commit crimes.

Far as I know, the gypsies are still there and the pickpockets still operate with impunity.

Guys,
Have any of you visited any of these strip clubs in Paris? I read that pigalle is a total rip off. Do all these clubs fall under the rip-off category?

Also have any of you visited any discos in Paris? Any recommendations would be highly appreciated.

CAPRICORNE
Striptease cabarets
5, rue Molière
75001 PARIS
+33 (1).42.96.20.27

FREQUENCE CAFE
Striptease cabarets
56, rue Notre Dame de Lorette
75009 PARIS
+33 (1).42.82.95.06

LE HUSTLER CLUB / LARRY FLINT
Striptease cabarets
13-15, rue de Berri
75008 PARIS
+33 (1) 53 53 86 00

LE PENITENCIER
Striptease cabarets
22, rue Jacob
75006 PARIS
+33 (1).43.26.45.93

PINK PARADISE / GUETTA
Striptease cabarets
49-51, rue de Ponthieu
75008 PARIS
+33 (1).58.36.19.20

STRINGFELLOWS
Striptease cabarets
27, avenue des Ternes
75017 PARIS
+33 (1).47.66.45.00

VILLA D'ESTE
Striptease cabarets
4, rue Arsène Houssaye
75008 PARIS
+33 (1).43.59.78.44

How about " Showgirls", near "Chatelet, off rue de Rivoli? Anyone been there? Is that a rip-off too? I read that here girls will perform lesbian acts, cunninlingus,etc... while sitting on your lap?

How about the street girls in Blond street? Still there? Not the best but if you walk from central Paris and follow your vibe some years ago, you probably end up walking up to St Denis. And if you drive around central Paris following your vibe, I ended up in Blond street.

This is an oldie but a goodie, dating from my visit in 2001.

There was a 'swinger club' near Place des Pyramides, a place whose address I still remember, where I had an amazing experience. The name has nothing to do with the shape of a triangle, no, another place. Think of a South American country, and with a little gallicization, that's the street it's on. Then think of the floor number that, on account of superstition, is omitted from buildings. And there you are. How close it is to a school I count as one of those lovely Parisian ironies.

I won't go long about the details, but it was 160ff to get in, then beers at 48ff, then at midnight, four girls getting 'plaisired' by about 20 guys. That ratio would normally put me WAY off. It happened all of a sudden. One girl went back, and whoom! All the men waiting like me for something to happen, they all just vanished into the nooks and crannies. When I walked into a 'bed area,' there was a classic, rotating gangbang going on, always with a 2-1 ratio. This I avoided.

About 2 hrs in, I started dancing with the best looking of the girls, who was wearing only a G string. That part alone is what I rememeber best (isn't it that way sometimes?) Hands all over her, her giggling. The actual sex, amazing, but the lead-up, more memorable. After I left her, a line had formed and she ended up with about six other guys in the next 40 minutes. One of them, a 20-something Parisian guy who looked like he didn't need to go to a swinger club, actually thanked me for getting the ball rolling.

How any of the girls can make a living off staffing a place like this, I'd love to know. And they weren't imports, junkies, gypsies. The beers don't cost enough for them to make much off the bar tab, and the entry fee must go to rent, considering the neighborhood. How naive it would be to think the girls were there for the good time (as one of the girls assurred me). Riiiight. But, then again...how ARE you getting paid?

Anybody know if this place is still open? My quiz at the top can't be too mensa for anyone familiar with Paris not to get it.

On the other hand entirely...St. Denis, what a fucking ripoff! I won't even go into how I blew 300ff there, or how I accidentally went to ISLE St. Denis first. Just stay out of that armpit of the sex trade.

Ciao,

Velcro

Senior Citizen, no problem with your US passport to get to European countries, even if it is a shame based on reciprocity.
From 10/1, to get reverse to the US, European citizen will need to ask for a Visa if their passport is older than 2 years. Remember that all EC passports are issued for 5 years, so statiscally 3/5 of people having a passport from a 350 millions people area will have to ask for a visa, just because... their passport don't match the latest technology... even for business people having ten's of previous entries in the US. Ridiculous.
This visa will cost them 100$ and will take 8 weeks to get delivered mainly because it will include a meeting with an Embassy officer...
Of course, you can still throw away your still valid passport "2 years and one week" old and ask for a new one, at full new cost.
This would happen in the US what would you say ?
Honnestly said don't you think all this a shame ?
And of course, at arrival, no way to check electronically the new passport : electricity black out...
I am just kidding : better to laugh about it, no?
In addition, it is of course known that all dangerous guys entering the US are European native citizens...

Well let us still be friendly with our friends visiting so easily US to EC way...
FlyBy, as there is only one hotel on Champs Elysee you will stay at Mxxrxxtt.
Good choice, great place.
Forget about Merlin M crap advice :
1) Trocadero is as close to your hotel than Grand Central in NYC would be from Washington Square... next door ...
2) between Trocadero and Champs, beside empty streets, you won't see a lot.
3) Champs to Madeleine (watch the spelling Merlin) is another 45 minutes to an hour. I let you imagine how valid is the advice to go from Trocadero to Madeleine. As you only have one night, in the city... it looks like experiencing "the loneliness of the long distance runner"...
In addition, girls around Madeleine are not exactly first tier. But it is like beef : some like it rare, some do weldone...

Considering the short time you have, and money is not a too bad issue, I would suggest better way to get what you want.

A) in hotel like the one you are staying remember that the guy with the golden keys can be your best friend... he knows what can be around available. Make it discret, because it is illegal in France and he could be in trouble for pimping,... but we all know that they stil do... (Back up is chief bartender : he knows about the nice girls coming every day to have just a glass of Perrier water, until a magician changes it in Champagne gold bubbles...
There a lot of great looking former east block girls switching from place to place around the Champs.
B) take a cab and get to Porte Maillot, to the Concorde Lafayette hotel. Get into the hotel and take the elevator to the bar at top floor (38th if I remember right). First you will have the most beautiful view of Paris, so it is worth the ride anyway... but additionaly the place is known to be a contact place with good scale SW. You will notice several good looking alone girl seated at small tables.
Activate your radar and your eye contact machinery... it shouldn't take a long time before you get connected.
Only risk is that it is August ... slow activity... SW are moving to Riviera either for vacations or for business : following the market when it moves... ;-)
You may even get your luck in the elevator... watch around you, girls are crusing that 1,000 rooms business hotel to find... what you mean.

If you are into black african girls, there is another excellent option : it is late but hunting can also be fun at night... Around 11 pm, take a cab and get to the Ruby's at rue Dauphine in Quartier Latin area.
You will find at least 40 good looking girls from former french or UK african colonies in the place. It is not a rip off bar, it is a disco and the girls are mostly non pro or semi pro, working or studying the day and make additional money at night.
No cover charge, no drinks or bottle to buy before you take your girl out.
All the deal is with the girl herself.
A full night with GFE will cost you less than an hour escort in the US.

Well FlyBy hope that this will help you, but if you want to walk 5 miles you can still follow Merlin's advice...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ownaford1994
[i]How about the street girls in Blond street? Still there? Not the best but if you walk from central Paris and follow your vibe some years ago, you probably end up walking up to St Denis. And if you drive around central Paris following your vibe, I ended up in Blond street. [/i][/QUOTE]

The street name is Rue Blondel.
Yes they are still some girls there, with each at least 200.000 miles on the clock. If you are on the high mileage girls I recently found many mid 30, some mid 40 Chinese girls working between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the streets behind the Bd Soult
Bonne Chance
Denis

Sr. Citizen et al.

Thanks for the info on the passport/visa issue!

Hey Denis !

Where can I find the best looking hookers in Paris ?

Thanks.

hi


Could you tell me where are asiatics girls in paris?
are they beautifuls?
how much is it?
how many times?


please a long report about it.


thanks

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Laloupe
[i]hi


Could you tell me where are asiatics girls in paris?
are they beautifuls?
how much is it?
how many times?


please a long report about it.


thanks [/i][/QUOTE]
LaLoupe,
The only Asian (Chinese) girls working in Paris I know at the present time are SW between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the back street parrallel to the Bd Soult.
I had one last Saturday, 30 year old , 40 € for a full service no rush in the car ,(they will also go to hotel near by) BJ are also available for 30€, they are probably 4 to 5 girls working there in the afternoons.
Bonne Chance.
Denis

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Denis
[i]
The only Asian (Chinese) girls working in Paris I know at the present time are SW between Porte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé on the back street parrallel to the Bd Soult.
[/i][/QUOTE]As far as I know, they are Chinese girls working around the Strasbourg Saint Denis metro station. They usually keep walking around the station, and on the Boulevard de Strasbourg, up to the Chateau d'Eau metro station. In the good days there must be about 10 of them.

Beware, they are all above 30, and some of them are total dogs.

They usually ask 30 Euros for themselves and 30 Euros for the Hotel. So that's 60 euros total. If you're a cheap bastard, you can get the price down to 50 euros.

I've also seen half a dozen of Chinese girls (same, about 30 to 50, not too pretty) working around the Belleville metro station, near the Chinese restaurant called The President.

But believe me, I live in China now, and those SW you can find on Paris'streets are like the ugliest bottom end of what China has to offer.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boofer
[i] Most other times, the white chicks are racist and wont come near you unless if you are european looking. I guess they had so much shit from the Algerians living in France so they avoid all dark men. [/i][/QUOTE]Sorry mate, but I have to take offense at your comment.

First, I'm Algerian and I' whiter than most French people I know. So much for you 'dark men' comment.

Second, why would Algerians give SWs more "shit" than other nationalities ? That was a hell of a prejudiced and racist comment if I ever saw one.

And last but not least, I never had any problem with any white chick from St Denis street or wherever. Not ONCE have I been rejected because I was Algerian. And I've seen black dudes going with white or North-African chicks more than once.

As far as I know, the only people St Denis street girls are prejudiced against are Pakistanis/Indians, for a reason I ignore.

And, to all of you tourists who go to St Denis street, remember well : the "universal" going price for FS is 50 euros. Not one penny less, not one penny more. I've read different reports talking of 60 or even 80 euros. Sounds like the girls levied an " unaware tourist tax" there... :-)

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Update on the scene in the Bois de Vincennes
Now most of the actions are done in minivans parked on the roads in the wood.
I have counted yesterday evening around 120 minivans, so there are plenty to choose from, the majority of the girls are blacks from Ghana and Nigeria, most of them are young and clean and pretty, services offered are mostly BJ for 20€ and FS for 30€ but if you are in something different like anal, or 2 girls, I am sure they will provide, as long as you have Euros. They are located when you go from the Chateau de Vincennes (Vincennes’s Castel) to the Hippodrome (horse race track).
In front of the Park Floral you will find Vans with Moroccan, Tunisian and Algerian girls, same rates but they are normally old , fat and ugly.
The bois de Vincennes does not provide Transsexual like the Bois de Boulogne does.
The area is pretty safe, police will not bother you. My only recommendation is to go from 11.00am to 10.00pm (I least you can see what you are buying as it is still not dark.) Also by experience have in your pocket only what you are willing to spend. I do not say they will try to rob you but !.
Have fun.
Denis

You can find some street action around Porte Maillot (near the Concorde Lafayette and the Meridien hotel).

Accross the huge Palais des Congres (Exhibition Center) there is a big traffic circle. Just drive/walk around this traffic circle. Near a small brickwall they are usually 3/4 Eastern European girls waiting to be picked up. They are in their early 20s and relatively good looking.

The action takes place in the parking lot under the Exhibition Center (very safe, it is usually quiet). The girls can either go in your car or walk with you there (fun but very unconfortable since you FS in an open-air area).

Near the entrance of the parking lot there is also a blond-haired French woman in her 40's, but her body is still hot. She usually sits in her own car, which is good when you're a pedestrian. Action takes place in the parking lot as well, in her car.

Prices for both the Eastern Europeans and the French woman : 30 euros for BJ, 50 euros for FS.

Dear Velcro:

I remember the club you are referring to!!! I went once in late 2001 and two more times in early 2002. I am from the U.S. so I can not tell you if it is still open. The club changed names between my visits. It was first called the "Triangle" and later changed its name to "Le Abyss" or something like that. This information is true as of early 2002, so mongers please report any changes. It is located on 13 Rue de Argentuil. This is one of the few swingers' clubs that admit unaccompanied men. The owner (Jean- Luc, I believe was his name) and his wife manage the place and keep the atmosphere going with dances, etc, but do not engage in action. The owner does not speak any English, but was very accomodating to me despite my highly elementary French. Your experience was absolutely typical. Many days you would go and nothing would happen, but once the action got started then everybody followed. I do have to disagree with you. I do not think the girls were hired entertainer. I think these were just horny women who were regulars. The incentive is that the couples as well as unaccompanied women pay next to nothing as enterance fee, as opposed to unaccompanied mongers like us who pay close to 80 Euros for the evening session.

I had a lot of fun there, and made a few friends with the locals. If anyone else knows what happened of this place I'd like to know.

Street action in Paris.

It is now clear that the French police has made much headway and significatly reduced street action in Paris itself. I have just been walking all through rue Saint Denis. I doubt if the street can still be considered as a reason to visit Paris.

If you happen to go to Paris, and time is not an issue, you may have a go. Otherwise, forget it.

My question is to eFrog: Can you give me an estimate on how much the African girls typically charge for all night at the Ruby's club?

Phil

I had a terrible experience in Paris two weeks ago and I am writing this and hoping that none of have to go through it. I cannot stress it enough but Paris is a total rip off. My buddy and I had read many reports here that said that american bars will be a total ripoff but I guess we had to learn it the hard way.

We went to Pigalle area on a Monday night. The area had a lot of bars and strip clubs there with escorts actively convincing guys to go in and check out the club. They seem to do everything possible just to get you in the club. Because once you're in they know they have got you. We were roaming around and came across this guy (his name was Jesse I think) and he approched us and asked us if we wanted to see live sex shows in the club. He said the entrance was 10 euros and included a drink. At that point we should have said "NO" reading all the reviews from this board but as they say "curiosity gets the cat" and so did it get us. We asked him how many girls there were inside and what their nationality was etc. He asked us to take a look inside. We resisted saying that we dont really want to go but he said it was no problem at all and we had no obligation to stay if we did not want to. Remember, these guys will pretend to be your best friends while they try to get you in. So me and my buddy step inside just to see what its like.

As soon as we stepped inside we saw that the whole club was empty of customers. Thats a BIG WARNING to leave immediately from any of these clubs. There were about 4 girls and one unattractive hostess. They sort of came onto us. One girl grabbed me and the other grabbed my buddy. They took us in saying it was ok and we should just see what is there inside. Immediately, they made us sit on the sofas and started flirting with us. Within seconds this hostess came and asked me what drink I would like (now remember one drink was included with the entrance so we thought it was ok) She brought me a coke and within seconds brought another drink for the girl. My buddy had the same experience. He asked the girl who will be paying for the drinks and she said she will. Within seconds, a black girl started performing some sort of show. Now remember all this is happening very fast (before we could realize that this was going on) The girl and the show was terrible and lasted only about a few minutes and then she came over to us looking for tips but we ignored her.

All the while girls continued to flirt with us touching us and asking the usual questions like where you were from (since we were from states and obviusly they knew that we were tourists). Now we had read all these reports and we knew something was wrong so we tried to leave but again they insisted that we stayed. Again, the girls started to bring cigarettes from the bar and when we refused they said that it was for them. Then the hostess brought a champagne for the girl and that point we just got up forcefully and started to leave towards the door.

At this point, the girls started to scream and ran after us towards the door. The hostess closed the door and started screaming at us too saying that we were trying to leave without paying the bill. We agreed to pay the 10 euro each as was promised to us but she said that we must pay 850 euros!!!!!!! Yes, you read it right - 850 euros. We were totally shocked and realized that all that we had read was actually happening to us. We started arguing with the girls and the hostess, but they screamed back all the while pushing us and asking us for the money. They got very rude and violent, not the girls that they earlier were pretending to be. According to them they charged us 20 euro each for our soft drinks, 80 euro each for the girls soft drinks, some 100 euro for the show, about 100 euro each for the girl's company, other x euros for the girls touching us, and so on making a total of 850 euros. At this point we demanded to speak with the guy who let us in. He came in and acted differently as well. He said he would help us out but in a way was threatening us. He was very rude and argued with us also. He said he would help us and tried to reduce the bill to 360 euros as if he was doing a favor to us because we were students and tourists. BULLSHIT! They were all involved in this conspiracy. Anyway after much arguing we decided to pay them the 360 euros for both of us and decided to leave and end it there. There was nothing we could do at that point except to put an end to this.

The name of the bar was Eva Bar on Pigalle.

I strongly suggest that you do not try to seek any such adventures in Paris, it will bring you nothing but disappointment like it did to us. Instead, save your money and goto German FKK clubs. Thats where me and my buddy headed to after a few days and had the greatest time of our life (see posts in german fkk clubs on atlantis and oase).

I will be in Paris shortly and was hoping for some affordable fun. All the Parisian escorts on the web want quite exhorbitant donations. If they have chased all the SW's away from the places noted in this forum, that leaves trying my luck at some of the bars mentioned herein. I have also looked into the possibility of hanging out at a Club Libertin (swing club), but I haven't gotten a good sense that it would be worth my time and Euros.

Unless someone has a current suggestion for me, I may return home fully loaded. If I find anything, I shall surely let you know.

To Phil.

I'd be happy to have eFrog's estimate. What I can say is that girls have very different prices, depending on the girl herself, the hour, the day (Saturday will of course be more expensive, Sunday is closed if I remember well). Expect something in the range of 150-200 Euros to 300 Euros (plus taxi if you have no car).

Pretty girls arrive "early" (around midnight) but often find somebody very quickly too.

Hi Phil, Hi Getopardo,

I will not add too much to what Getopardo says : it is right. For very upscale (and she knows she is) negotiation will start at 400 or even 500. But read well : NEGOTIATION START, meaning you need to make your deal.
At all this is also business : demand offer and final adjustment :-)))
Well, realize that it will anyway be less than most US escort for an hour and if you are nice to them... you will get more for your money... GFE is not impossible.
The beauty of the place is that you don't have all the usual crap : bottle ro pay to get the girl out, lots of drinks overpriced, ... basically your stay in the place cost will be the same as in a good level disco or club... it is not McDonald anyway... and you cannot compare with a 1€ expresso on the counter in a Paris bar, that makes me always questionning when same in US costs 3,50 $ and more... Coffee machine at StarBuck should be gold platted at least... ;-) see : other countries, other issues...
Now I cannot end without couple of words about the post FKK Newbie.
With kids, you tell them "fire burns, fire burns, fire burns" until they touch, get burned and for life knows that fire burns...
As they are newbies... normal...
but all of us here have spent tons of messages, not sure it is enough, to tell about Pigalle, the bars, ...
Don't complain... If you don't read, don't listen, then you have to learn... that's life.
You say you looked as students... OK consider that this was the school money.
This can happen to you not only in Paris, so don't say "Paris blablabla..."
Next time get rue Blondel and you will get your MD in poorest Paris S places...
If you want you can now try the same in Soho London, Brussels, Athen,... and even in Germany where you had a so great time.
Let me tell you a short story.
Couple of years ago, I was entertaining two US buddies in Cologne Germany.
Against my advice, they did want to check about the bar scene around the Train Station... old story : a cab driver coming from the airport told them...
Sorry my US friends, but they had a very typical US attitude : "we know better" even if this was their first time in the city ;-).
You know like... ooops no politics here... sorry, apologize, etc...

Well I did decide to go for the "Fire burns" strategy. It was anyway their money, and you cannot argue with two guys soooo sure...
We went to the excellent address they got from their cab expert driver.
Two clubs were next to each other.
So they decided to get say in A.
Immediatly I had a bad feeling. (experience maybe)
So I told them : stay here take a drink at the bar and I will check B , the other one with a short drink get back and we decide which to stay.
So we did. I went to the second place, that was... at least acceptable, spend 15 minutes : drink and a quick checking talk with the bartender as I am fluent in German also.
I came back to pick my buddies and I couldn't believe what I saw.
My guys were at the bar standing as expected....
but surrounded by 6 girls + bartender with champagne glasses in hand...
Three bottles were already killed and I just came in to see (this unseen from my friends) the bartender pouring a half bottle vintage champagne (not the German shitty sparkling wine) in the sink...
15 minutes and they were already with a tab 4 digits $.
Kids ... and they got burned...
I did expect a lesson but I couldn't imagine they were running for Guiness Book record in 15 minutes...
Well they paid, they had this kind of money to throw out.
We went to the other place and to make it short : one of the guys dated during 2 years, when in Europe, one of the girls he met in the "better choice".
Lesson of the story : you cannot make the people happy against their willing.

So FKK Newbie : I strongly suggest you to visit now a London Soho Club... it is next step in your monger education and be prepared you will also face a very rude security "bear" guy to help you lose your money. And please forget to read here or to visit the ********* web site, there is no use : own experience , man, that's all in life. :-))))

Why on earth are we writing reports and give comments, if nobody reads... ;-)))
Next time we will write reports about cooking, sightseeing,... whatelse... but SG ? why ?

Hello eFrog,

I totally agree with you that we had made a mistake by checking out the club even after having read the reviews. The whole point of my posting the message was that no one else makes the mistake that we made. Lot of times people have the mentality that "it cannot happen to us" and thats what I was trying to illustrate that "it could and does happen to you". Plus things happened so fast that day and by the time we realized it, it was too late. But never mind, because a lesson learned the hard way is never forgotten..

A note about the FKK clubs - I was not talking about the general clubs and bars of germany where similar things like Pigalle could happen. FKK clubs are very professional, safe and value for your money. You have to visit it to believe it.

Lastlly, dont think that messages posted here are not read by anyone or not taken seriously. If we had not read the messages here, we would have never known to get out of the situation (in Pigalle) as soon as we did. Maybe they would have charged us even more. So reading the messages DID help! Plus, tons of other valuable information that we have learned about all the other places like fkk, ba etc. have all been derived from forums like these. So please don't be disappointed and keep the posts coming :) Peace!

You guys made a big mistake in Pigalle. You should NEVER have paid the 360 euros. Instead all you had to do was tell them that you wanted them to call the police immediately. They would resist, but then your response shuld be if you touch me, I will have the police here to close you down." Especially with two of you - you have a "witness." If they resisted again, you say that the police knows what they do here and the police do not want trouble.

Pigalle is a tourist area and they do not want trouble. At the most you should have offered 50 euros.

Expensive lesson

Sounds like we will have to get on this board and regularly sound off warnings on Pigalle/de Clichy areas like we all do in the London Board about the same kind of shit in Soho's clubs and ripoffs.

Never ever go in any club or bar in the Pig Alley (Pigalle) area of Paris. (MOULIN ROUGE excepted)

I was supposed to check out a massage spa club in Pigalle last time in Paree but I still can't bring myself to go near the area.

Even though the police have taken a lot of W/G's off the streets there were still plenty working Madelaine/St Augustine/St Malesherbes area. Also saw some nice ones by Porte Maillot.

Problem is the cops are targeting the W/G's and the fuckin gypsies are still thick as hell in the tourist areas.

I don't know how much has been said here about the swing club scene in Paris but I can tell you it's alive, healthy, and a great place to usually participate, and, if not, certainly to indulge your voyeuristic tendencies. It's been awhile since I've been in Paris, but if you get any of the newsstand weekly events mags, you'll find mention of it in the "recontrer" sections.

Hey guys, In respect of my post a few minutes ago, I did some web research and came up with the following. I found a very good webpage which lists many Parisian and other French swing clubs around France.
Its url is http://utenti.lycos.it/capdagde/links.htm.

Most of these clubs will allow single men at certain times, many times it's like Wed or Sun night. I have had some wonderful times in some of these clubs. It seems the French have a strong penchant for GB action so if that's your thing, you'll like these places.

I will list a few clubs with which I'm familiar. Do call them first. Many, though not all, will speak some English. Here's the list:

LES CHANDELLES
1, rue Therese, - Tel. 33 1 42 60 43 31

CHRIS ET MANU 2
5, rue St Bon - Tel. 01 42 72 52 18

LE X BIS
10, rue du Débarcadère - Tel. 01 45 74 12 32

LE PLURIEL CLUB
13 rue Francois Miron - Tel. 01.40.29.07.52

OVERSIDE
92, rue du Cherche-Midi - Tel. 01 42 34 10 20
http://www.overside.fr/

And, let it be known that this here Texan LOVES the French! Vive La France!

Hello Fellow mongers!

Boy, do I miss Paris, and I will have to agree with the previous poster that the swing club scene is alive and well.

Click on "Home" on top of the page under the "WSG Forum" banner, then choose "Report Archives". This sends you to the 1994-2000 Archives. Then look under "Europe, France, Paris, Swing clubs". The first report, by Fredercik, posted in 1996 has an extensive list of Swing clubs. As of 2001 the list was STILL about 70% correct. It certainly helped me tremendously in my mongering experience.

And please post your experiences, so that those of us on this side of the Atlantic can at least live vicariously!

Guys,
Short report on the scene in the South east of Paris
If you take the N19 direction Troyes, there are couple a East Europe SW and some French girls, some working in vans.
Most action is located after Brie Comte Robert (25KM from Paris)until after Guignes.
1 km after Brie Comte Robert you will find on the right a van (everyday excepted Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday), she is in the mid 30's, good body, excellent attitude, price is 35€, after Brie if you like ugly fat transsexual you have to turn left on a roundabout direction Ozoir, after few km you will find some on the right side, if you continue this road for miles you will also find some old French girls working in Minivans. This road lead to the 104 to direction cdg airport.
But if you continue on the N19 after the roundabout you pass the village of Coubert, after 2 km on the right after a go kart race track (RKB), 2 eastern European girls working on the right (not to nice). Continuing the N19 you will find some more vans (do not stop service is poor), pass Guignes and after 2 km you will find on the right side of the road a Gem: 20 year old Romanian, body 9+ , attitude 9, service so, so, but what can you expect for 40€ CBJ and f..k in the woods, so instead take her to a nearby hotel and have great time (she will ask for 100€).If you continue the N19, you will find a van on the left side, girl’s name is Lesley, she is in her late 30’s but still very nice , and give one of the best CBJ for 30€, she is very friendly.
Have fun
Denis

Denis, how about in the southeast outside the peripherique around Ste. Maurice and the A 4? Also along the areas of the Red Line RER?

I may stay at hotels in this area next time in. Cheaper and quieter, I am finding.

Buster,
I have not seen any girls in St Maurice or along the A4 but this is just behing "the Bois de Vincennes" where you can find a lot of girls working in Vans, mainly from Nigeria and from Ghana, some are nice, some not.
Bonne Chance
Denis

Hi,

I've been to Paris recently and tried to contact some of those swinging clubs. I went to Les Chandels but could not get in as couples night! Anywyas they tell me that it is the best one in Paris, so I went to the one near to Champs Ellese. It seems to be closed and no one answers the phone?

I headed straight to the Queens Dance Club. WOW, what chicks! I picked this Czech girl who wanted some extra euros! But she was a great GFE.

Anyone visitng Paris let me know.

Cheers

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Hi,

Looking for GFE in Paris, I found a really great agency, www.club111.com. They have Czech girls, very cute, nice, young.

The price for one hour is fine (220 euros), and they give you plenty of time, no pressure.

Enjoy

Thanks for the tip mate! Just a question (I'm a bit of a novice, altouhg living in France for a while now...) what's GFE (is it the full thing?).

Went to www.club111.com and the rates start at 150 euros for 1/2 hr. Is that correct??

Thanks

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Originally posted by Darren Roberts
I have spent some time at the Meridien Hotel, Montparnasse, Paris. Usually in the bar area in the entrance lobby from 9pm till midnight there are some single girls drinking coca cola. These girls are available and if you smile at them they will smile back - and contact is made.

It was at the hotel that I met "Loubna". She is a Morrocan girl aged about 20 and agrred to come to the room. For €100 we had girlfriend sex in the bed/on the bed every where. She gives french kisses as though she really loved you and a bbbj, but wants a condom fo sex. She was so nice I took her number for next time.

The next occasion I called and she asked if I would pay for the taxi to/from the hotel - so paid €160. Again we had boy/girlfriend sex and a shower together. All in all an hour of fun. Her body is very good although she has a small bent tooth and a cut (scar) under one eye.

She asked me to give her number to friends but not post it on the internet as she worked independantly and did not want a "pimp" to find her. However when she went to go I offered to take her to a taxi. I went down with her to the lobby and she said it was OK and she will go on her own. I said goodbye but looked where she went. Outsude there was a man waiting for her and they both got into a white van - the taxi! I guess the man was her pimp/boyfriend.

Anyway I will call her again because she is good fun - gives all - and does not watch the clock and think of a way to disseminate her number.

Anyway there are other girls dicreetly sitting in the bar area of the lobby - asking €150 to €200 but can be negotiated easily down to €100.
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Darren,

I am going to Paris on November. Could you send me her nunmber in a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Messaging system?

Thanks

I'll be in Paris shortly and I was wondering if there is still any hint of street action anywhere in Paris or is it a total waste of time?

I went to paris 3 or 4 years ago and got ripped off about $150.00 Euros approx in the old currency for a bottle of champagne (very similar to last post so I dont want to tempt fate with the club scence)

harryreams :
you have here 12 pages of posts about Paris...
isn't this enough for you to get an idea ?
Or do you want us to do the job summarizing for you ?
This kind of post is always irritating :
forum is to share opinions, report experience, warn about rip off and when information is not available, ask for it.
Not to give a review to lazzy guys not even bothering reading...
This is a forum... not a travel agent office
On the US forum, you have some cities with 000's of posts...
Try "hey guys what's going on in LA or NYC" lol
Additional if you did pay 150$ a bottle of champagne, either it was a very exclusive vintage (sure it wasn't ) or ... it was a bar with girls... Beside you were kidnapped on the street, you did know where you were.
Legally they have a price list. You didn't ask for it before "buying" a bottle ?
You didn't have a girl next to you ? (I hardly imagine a guy alone at a bar and ordering for himself alone a bottle)...
This has not to do with Paris, in any city in the world, this is called acting like an idiot.
Like the guys here couple of weeks ago complaining they got ripped off in Pigalle, despite they read before about all warnings here...
No comments...

Harry
I agree totally with the post from efrog, read the forum posts and do not be stupid enough to go to Pigalle or to any Hostess ripoff Bars.
I can update you on the street scene in the 12th district (South East). There are still girls working there, on the boulevard Soult and Bd Poniatowski.
Still 3 to 4 Chinese girls working between the Porte Dorée and the Porte de St Mandé.
Today I took the N6 and there are still many girls working in miniVans and I also saw some young SouthAmerican (I presume) standing along the N6 (near the Pyramide of Brunoy).
Have fun
Denis

To SW fan,

Walking late afternoon behing the Lafayette Galerie in the 8th district in the East part of Rue Joubert I found 6 to 7 SWs, some in cars and some in the bars. They are rather old, round 40, I would rate them 5-6 but one of them was about 35 year old (Rate: 7-8). Price is € 60.- for a (quick!!) s**k and f**k. After discussion, it seems that some of them are ready to go to hotels. I went again later at 10 pm other girls were there, same type.

Sorry Denis & Efrog - your were both correct! I posted my last post in a cyber cafe with people over my shoulder hence the lack of detail and the haste - sorry for any offence taken, not intentional in any way.

Thanks Lacemer for your post - I might explore the SW's in Paris and try my luck.

Regards the bottle of champange - I did not know about the price list until I was nearly thrown out the door complaining about the prices - but I guess with all of us sharing our experiences here we are much the wiser.

I will update my experiences on the SW scene next week in Paris.

Harry

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Hello All,

I will be traveling to Paris during the next week and need some advice on SW activity around the Arc De Triomphe area.
I visited that area early this year and noticed some SW's later in the evening near Avenue Des Ternes, but was to nervous to approach any of them.
Being an American who does not speak French I was concerned about being busted by LE if some of the girls were decoys.
Do the French police actively patrol these areas looking to arrest potential John's?
Any advice on picking up ladies in this area would be greatly appreciated.

If I find a lady who speaks English is it safe to go back to her room or should I get the room?
Will most French SW's perform BBBJ or only CBJ?
What are prices in France for SW's in Euro's?

Thank you all in advance.

Krafft22,

There is always activities around the Arc de Triomphe specialy up to 10:00 pm. But there are other places in Paris, just look at the previous messages. Around la Madeleine, rue Joubert, rue Saint Denis, etc. Don't go to bars you will be rip off.

Prices: Euro 50 to 100 depending the quality.

LE like in US do not exist in France. You have absolutely not such risk by picking up a girl in the street. You can discuss your conditions with the girl very freely in the street . Take her to your hotel if you wish (and if she accepts). No problem.

Presevatif are widely used in France.

Lacamer,

Thank you for the reply.
My plans are not confirmed yet. Is there any activity towards this area of town?
Blvd Victor Hugo
Neuilly sur Seine

I am trying to plan where I stay based on SW activity.

Many Thanks ;-)

To Lacamer,

About being "too nervous to approach any of them": girls in France are not shy at being approached. Just use some kind of phrase like "hello, can I offer you a cup of coffee". The girl will answer if she is interested, or just walk on if she isn't.

About boulevard Victor Hugo: There is some activity in avenue Victor Hugo (from place V Hugo to Etoile), but I doubt there is "strong" activity in Neuilly.

Good luck.

Kraft, in response to your questions:

<Being an American who does not speak French I was concerned about being busted by LE if some of the girls were decoys.>

I've never heard of the Paris police using decoys, as is common practice in the US. I think it is very safe to approach SWs in Paris. If anyone is going to get busted, it is the SWs themselves. I have heard of some recent crackdowns on the SWs but I think it is just a way to keep them somewhat under control, not an attempt to stamp them out completely.

<Do the French police actively patrol these areas looking to arrest potential John's?>

Like I said, I never heard of this. If someone else knows otherwise, please respond.


<Any advice on picking up ladies in this area would be greatly appreciated.>

It should be easy to tell the SWs from regular girls who might be dressed in a hot, sexy way and on their way to a club--the SWs tend to stay in one place and are ready to make eye contact easily.

<If I find a lady who speaks English is it safe to go back to her room or should I get the room?>

Yes, it's safe, esp. with the girls around the Arc/Etoile area. The girl need not speak perfect English. As long as she understands enough to make the deal, that's good enough. The girl may have her own place nearby or she may be willing to go to your hotel if it's not far. A nice Moroccan girl once rode 6 stops on the metro with me back to my hotel near the Opera. I gave her an extra 20 euros for her trouble.

<Will most French SW's perform BBBJ or only CBJ?>

Expect a CBJ, but you might be able to negotiate something better.

<What are prices in France for SW's in Euro's?>

Around the Arc/Etoile, expect to pay about 100 Euros. That's a fair price for the quality of the girls which is usually pretty good. You might be able to go lower but why antagonize the girl by trying to go lower.

Just to correct a mistake:

My message concerning girls in France, and av Victor Hugo, was intended for kraft 22 and not for Lacamer.

Apologies.

Several years ago I had a couple of incredible visits to Le cercle a mixed sauna in Toulouse. Can anyone recommend similar places in Paris which are single guy friendly?

Today I had a nice experience to report:
I found a young nice looking Chinese girl working at the Porte Dorée (between Porte de Charenton and Porte de St Mandé).
She wanted to go to an undergroung parking but I really prefer hotels; so we went to a small hotel near the Cours de Vincennes and I had a vey nice session: BBBJ, many positions ,no rush , no anal but very GFE attitude, two pops.
She said in very poor French that she arrived from Bejing last week, paid 40€ + 25€ for the room, absolutely great value.
Sometime you can get lucking with SW girls.

Hello Gagdet,

Try 'Sultana', on Pigalle. Single guy friendly club, with nice sauna, hammam & whirlpool. I have been there a few times, and my experience has been positive. A bit expensive to enter, though (around 60 euros)

Tell me more about your times at le Cercle!

I have a six hour layover in Paris towards the end of December. Where can a generous man go near the airport and spend an hour or two with a nice woman?

GENUINE

six hours stop is quite short as most activity is inside Paris... and if for any reason your landing is delayed... it is over...
To me the very best idea for you would be to book a room at the Sheraton inside the terminals between C and D and get an outcall escort.

I can recommend one that I know who is living North of Paris, so close to CDG and where you can certainly arrange with her that you drop a call upon arrival to confirm time, get her around 45 minutes later to meet you at your room, spend three hours with her (she is really worth it) this giving you still around two hours to cool down and get your plane.... lol

The girl I am talking about is a half pro.
She has an escort activity part time but she is also a real party girl for swinger club party and she has a circle of very funny and crazy friends and couples and they organize parties either in swinging clubs or even in one's appartment.
These kind of events are free, that's why I say she is half pro.
She is a sex addict and for her own fun, she organizes also gang band parties.

Talking about her, she is good looking, not a model but really the kind you would like to have as GF or better buddy.
She is recently 30 so not the chicken of the day, but an incredible performer.
Very rare in France, she does spontaneously BBBJ and CIF but no CIM.
Anal is also a great fun to her and she is asking for it... Rare !!!
She is usually only doing incalls and this is just great fun as she welcomes you with drink, has no rush and at the end you get a real GFE but with the pleasure to have a GF which is also funny bad girl in the positive sense.
The only bad point... there is one, is that she is hardly speaking English. If not she would make a fortune thanks her unique attitude and I would have already recommended her here... but without English ...
Her French by the way is excellent ;-))))
I am only telling about her now because I think that for a CDG stop she could be THE choice.
Only problem : you will hate having to leave.
Most of us (talking about her friends circle) started meeting her as escort and ended being part of the friend circle.
A real gem.
Let me know if you are interested and I will forward you more info.

eFrog,

I'm going to Paris (hotel Sofitel Bercy) for 2 week.

How can I contact that girl and how much for the night?

I speak fluently French I think it would be ok.

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Hi,

I am in Paris until Sunday and will have free time on Saturday and Sunday until afternoon. Any recommendation? Thanks.

Efrog,
I am very interested in your friend - mostly as an escort to swingers clubs. I was in paris last week and spent a night in La Cheminee, which is the most single friendly club right now. I've been looking for a local to join me as most of the clubs are couples only. If she's into the swinging scene, she's perfect for me - we'll work out the language barrier, I'm sure. I'm usually in town 5-6 times a year. Thanks mate....

La Rond

You should get a pm here and so it is easier. It is not a web site, but a direct email address, so precious.

I don't want to spoil a great connection by making it full public here and the girl gets harrassed for game.

GFE is rare enough to protect it... lol

I bet we all agree about this.

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Does anybody have a update on the "Du Bois De Boulogne", this place is usually filled with women and trannys, I like only the women and am interested to see if there are any hot ones left, please comment on only the women, the trannys are obvious and are pretty sick.


ILS

I'll be laying overnight in Paris in February and I am interested in the Paris SW scene only, I prefer Eastern & Western European SWs. What hotels would you folks recommend I stay wherein I can just walk to the activity, being it'll be cold by then?

I've heard on previous posts that in the Porte Maillot area (I am not familiar with this area), there are the Meridien Hotel and the Concorde Lafayette. Are these good recommendations? Also, I've seen some SWs near the Arc area when I was there a year ago. Any good hotels around the Arc area where it is walking distance only to the girls? Please advice. Thanks.

HO chaser,

Porte Maillot is about as far from CDG as you can get. (La Defense is even farther) It is right by the large convention center. I have seen many ladies wandering around along the Champs Elysees in this area.

If you will go up by the Arc and go north on Blvd. McMahon toward St. Madeleine, You will see many ladies, mostly locals and European.

North of Madeleine, you will see many nice ones too. In the Malesherbes/Madeleine area is my favorite.

Merlin what hotel(s) do you recommend? I'll be walking to the scene. Thanks again.

My 3 favorite hotels are real bargains. The Hotel GIS in Neuilly-Plaisance and The le St. Maurice are both located in the east side. The quaint but very nice 3 star Hotel Montparnasse is in the left bank area.

If you want to stay close in to CDG, the Comfort Inn CDG is pretty good. You can then ride the RER train into town and connect with any subway to any good pussy point in Paris.

I used to stay at the Comfort Inns St. Malesherbes and St. Augustin but they started getting pricey as hell. Rates are three times what they were two years ago.

I suggest instead of walking to all these places, you get a Paris Visite pass for like $ 18.25 for 3 days (zone 1-3 and you can buy them at any tobacconist or subway ticket booth.) and take the subways. There is a subway terminal near any of the great spots.

I also forgot to mention, you can walk the circle in the three or so blocks outwards encircling the Arc from north to the west-south and find lots of action.

Just remember; STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE PIGALLE/BLVD DE CLICHY AREA!!!!! THIS IS SOHO ON STEROIDS!!! Besides I have never seen a Working Girl in this area younger than 50.

Hi Merlin,

I see your comprehensive info on the scene in paris. Can you let me know when is it a good time to go there?. I am a regular visitor to Paris. Also I did come across some Morrocans earlier that were kinda cute but were expensive$$$....cheers

# 1263;

Any time in Paree is good. Although I see something every August in that everyone seems to be on holiday, including the Working Girls.

Next time in, I will do a more comprehensive search for models in apartments like in Shepherd's Market and Soho. The St. Denis area seems to have a few of these, but I have no idea if the pussy shopping/purchasing culture is the same. Paris has always been a street girl market, whereas London is an apartment and massage parlor dominated market. In fact, Paris's street girls were historically part of the fame and mystique of the place.

I plan on mid-January for my next run at France. A few days in Paris and a few in Dinard/St Mal.

Hi Merlin,

Thanks for the info mate. Would be nice to see the models in the apartments. Have you tried the swingers club scene? Does seem interesting and free pussy around!!. The areas you mentioned, are they close to Champ Ellese. I usually stay at the Marriotts when I go there. Also there is a new strip club on Champs ellese- hot babes but just strippers!

Cheers

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Guys,
If you want to go directly from CDG airport to the Place de L'Etoile (Arc de Triomphe) , there is an Air France shuttle bus direct from the airportwho will drop you right there. There is also one direct to Montparnasse Price is 10 € I believe.
Denis

Hi Merlin,

I hope you'll enjoy your stay in Paris but bear in mind that the French government has made it illegal to "sex-walk" in the streets. I didn't believe the new measures would be effective, but they have proved to be.

Rue Saint - Denis for example is, unfortunately, much less "interesting" than it was 5 or even 2 years ago.

Be cautious too, not to address a SW when the police is not far away. You might be in a for hard time, and even invited to police headquarters.

I found this website with nice girls speaking english,wich is really rare in Paris,as well as the price,200 euros/hour wich is a real bargain in Paris.
http://www.lovelynewgirls.com
Can anyone tell anything about these girls?

Merlin,

I will take your expert advice and will stay at the Madeleine/Malesherbes area. Any hotels besides the Comfort Inn that is walking distance to the action? The Hyatt is way too much! Like I said before, I prefer walking to where the action is.

Is this in the Arc District? Excuse my ignorance as I am not familiar with the area. Thanks in advance.

Gentlemen,

I have a question for Denis or any other regular in Paris. I travel there quite often and have been very disappointed lately with the quality of the SW, especially in St Denis. So, I was very interested to read about the Asian SW at the Porte Dorée. I'd also read in some prior posts about other Asians in that area.

My question is whether or not you need a car to connect with them or whether they are walking the street around there. I don't have a car so I can't get to them if they hang around the entrance to the Périphérique or if it's too far from a hotel (I'm like you about parking garages). If they are on one of the streets, I'd appreciate someone letting me know the name. I'm assuming I could take the Métro to Porte Dorée. Also if any of you know of any other places where I might find an Asian or two, please let me know.

I'll be arriving in Paris Dec.7 and will be there for 10 days so I'll post the results when I return. Thanks in advance for the help.

Ho Chaser,

You might check the Choice Hotels dot com website for other hotels in the arrondisement 1. Also, Smooth Hound is another good hotel locator. (www.s-h-systems.co.uk/) Smooth Hound lists about twenty hotels in that area alone. hotels.com is another.

I have found that staying where I usually stay now and using my Paris Visite RER (light rail) and subway pass is more convenient.

Madeleine /Malesherbes area is due north of the Arc. In fact standing on Blvd Mc Mahon looking north, you can see Madeleine.

You may not need a car. Many of the ladies work out of their own cars in this area. They usually sit quietly just off the main streets. A few soft spoken words and business is done.

Getopardo,

I have seen the police harrass the Working Girls. I also have no qualms about reminding the Paris cops (those who speak English or Spanish) that although they target the easy Working Girls, the damn Kurdish and Romany gypsy pickpockets who use their children to actively steal still run free with impunity. Just like American cops, they tend to target the easy ones instead of rooting out the real thieves and crooks.

WorldCruiser
Unfortunatelly it will be diffucult to pick any of the SW working in the area of the Porte Dorée if you do not have a car, as normally they do their work in the car (in parking lot) or in some hotels nearby but still not walking distance.
I suppose you can convince them to take a taxi with you to an hotel they know or you know (there is a taxi station right at the Porte Dorée) but I suppose it will cost you a bit more.
The name of the street where the Chinese girls are is Avenue Armand Rousseau
Again as it has been said many time on this board avoid Pigalle area and Rue St Denis.
Good luck
Denis

VISIT REPORT - AU PLURIEL CLUB PARIS

Visitied this established Swingers/Partytreff last week. Tues pm around 11. Bar is nice - people clothed (unlike Germany) went downstairs lots of nice rooms. Just 2 women. 1 who spent the next 2 hours getting her brains fucked out by 4 guys at a time and another having one on ones. Both were 4's

Couldn't get the gang-bang one to take my cock in her mouth (there was already one there) went upstairs - spoke to the one on one for 10 minutes fucked her downstairs while her husband looked close up at my cock ramming her.

Nice atmosphere - sophisticated people. I recommend it

Hi mate,

Good to hear of your experience at this swinger club. Where is it located at and is there a contact number etc. Can we go as singles during the week or are there any particular days.

Cheers.

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WorldCruiser,

a little extra to Denis' report:

- You can find Chinese girls in the Strasbourg St Denis-Chateau d'Eau area, walking around the metro stations or on the Boulevard de Strasbourg.

- Some also hang around the Belleville metro station, near the big Chinese restaurant "le President".

- Standard price is 60 euros (30 for the girl, 30 for the hotel). Can easily be beaten down to 50.

- You do not need a car, their hotels are usually in walking distance from where they hang around.

- General quality of the girls is quite poor. Some of them look slightly too "mature" if you see what i mean. But their attitude is usually good.

Anyway believe me, if you really want Chinese girls, just go to China. It's simply heaven, take my word for it.

Au Pluriel club can be found at
http://www.plurielclub.com/flashmx/index.html

Denis/Algeria for Ever,

Thanks to you guys for the info. I was afraid the girls at Charenton would require a car and I"ve seen the ones at Chateau d'Eau :) My main interest was for a little variety from the typical Paris SW. It seems to me they've gone downhill lately and also have more attitude -- you know, "hurry up and get it over with and don't touch the hair." Maybe I've been cruising the wrong neighborhoods.

Do either of you know any AMPs that give FS? The ones I've found in the 9th (rue Rodier and rue Douai) offer massage and HJ for around 100Euros. They're great as far as they go but sometimes you want something more.

World Cruiser

Member 1263,
When in Paris, I've given up on all other possibilities and go to the swingerclubs or sauna clubs. Some swinger clubs (club echangistes) accept only couples or selected singles on certain days - you need to check it out beforehand. Some even require reservations as they limit the amount of single men. Like La Cheminee which is my current single friendly favorite - on Wednesay nights selected singles are allowed in (call first!) and they ususally have many more women than La Pluriel. Last time there were at 20-30 women. Interesting that many sigle women come with male friends and then roam and last time 2 rop-dead young girls got it on right on the center table with each other.
I also like L'Escapade on the Ille d"St. Louis for its friendly owners.

I do agree with Iseeu, swingers clubs are a good way of enjoying the Paris sex life.

As a Frenchman, when in Paris, like Iseeu, I like La Cheminée that is oftne crowded with couples, even in the afternoons, although a clot of not so young and/or beautiful couples can be met there.

My favourite is also L'Escapade on the Ile Saint Louis, a very nice and cosy club with friendly owners and more upscale swingers than at La Cheminée. I have been there a dozen times, and have rarely been disappointed. L'Overside, Le Pluriel and Le Triangle (I think the latter's name has changed) are also worth a visit.

For the phone numbers and locations, just try any web engine with the above-mentioned names or buy Pariscope (see the last pages), the weekly entertainment news programme published in Paris.

Hi Isseau,

Thanks for the info. I did visit La Cheminee club located in this small street some months back.

Ofocurse it was a couples night so could not get in. The cab driver told me to go to this pub and pick a babe, pay her like 200 euro. After getting in the club she can slip out after a while. Do you think it is a good idea to do this or just go on a singles day.

I guess this is the most popular club with more hot babes going there.

Frenchie,
Le Triangle is now called L'Abyss and it's closed to single men in the evenings.
You wrote that you've been to L'Overside - I was unaware that they allowed single men in..

Member 1263,
I have gone with a female friend to swingers clubs and it's a different experience being there as a couple... the only pros that are willing to go to this scene are usually the higher priced escorts and frankly if I'm paying the big bucks, I'd rather not pay her so someone else can shag her...I would think that going with a total stranger (who you're paying!) to a club and then she leaves is not such a great idea, ne c'est pas?

Hi Isseu,

Thanks for the input!. Is there a swingers club near to Champs Elysees called L'Adams

Cheers

just a short contribution to add to Iseeu,

I didn't have recent experience but got told by several reliable sources that Abyss, former Triangle is a place to be carefull on the check.
It seems that they try to overcharge you with drinks you didn't get to raise the bill.
This would be rip off.
As I said , I didn't have personal recent experience here, that's a club that I don't like too much for the atmosphere, to my opinion less friendly than other places already stated here.
But as the people telling me this are reliable, frequent clubs visitors ... I would at least suggest that you keep an eye on your bill.

Can anyone comment on the strip clubs like Stringfellow...
I saw bad reviews about American
Are they all the same?

Stringfellows is not a bad strip club, but there is a new one that has opened up on Champs Elysees. Don't remember the name, but they had some hot babes!

Cheers

Hi All:
I was wondering if anyone has information on the action or lack thereof at Nation/porte vincennes.
Thanks!
AHT169

I've just returned from Paris and wanted to post a report. I was a bit limited in my searching because my colleagues all wanted to go to dinner as a group so I had to do my mongering either early (5-8PM) or late (after midnight). Since I was there working I chose early. Based on that, here's what I found:

At that time of day, I found no action in the Madeleine/Malesherbes area. It was probably just too early.

I hit a couple of AMPs on the rue Rodier in the 9th. There are probably half a dozen on the street and all are Asian, although the one that was supposed to be Japanese had a French girl working there who claimed to be "half Japanese." Generally they charge 80 Euros for a basic massage with HJ and 100 Euros for a body-body massage that either ends with a HJ or CBJ. My experience has been that the Thai girls only do HJ while the Vietnamese girls will do either.

I also went to the rue Strasbourg at the Chateau d'Eau metro stop. As Algeria for Ever pointed out, the girls there tend to be a bit "too mature" and also a bit too heavy for my taste, although this time I found a young, petite Chinese girl named Li Yar that was quite pleasant. As has been explained before, the basic drill is to walk with the girl to a hotel and pay her 30 Euros and the hotel 30 Euros. Overall, this was the best experience of the trip.

One word of caution, though, to those who aren't familiar with the area. As you come out of the metro to the street there are often bands of 8-10 young African males hanging over the railing making comments. They weren't speaking French so I don't know exactly what they were saying but they appeared to be talking trash to the African women that were coming out of the metro. They didn't harm anyone and occasionally the police come by and run them off but it can be a bit disconcerting the first time you go there. Once you're on the street it's like most other immigrant neighborhoods.

Happy Hunting!

aht169
You will find some Eastern European girls working between the Porte de de Bercy and Porte de Montreuil on the Boulevard Exterieur (Poniatowski, Soult and Davout). Some blacks as well, night and day. At night few are working on the Cours de Vincennes and around the Place de la Nation, I had recently some good luck in the counter road circling around the Nation, specially near the Pharmacy (cose to cours de Vincennes). Check also my previous reports, they are still valid.
Bonne Chance
Denis

Just returned from a week working in Paris. Stayed at the Le Meridien Montparnasse.

Contrary to earlier reports on this board I did not find any compelling action at the bar in the Meridien. There was only one working girl in the bar, a tired some-what Asian looking woman who sat at a table alone most nights of the week. She looked older than me and wasn't very appealing.

Also I checked out some of the recommended websites:

wild-escorts.co.uk
lovelynewgirls
club111
flowersmodels

But in the end, decided to save the money and spend it in Frankfurt at the FKKs. I'd love to hear if anyone has better recommendations for Paris.

To Tenoch,

Your experience confirms what I have observed in the last few weeks and even months : the (near ?) extinction of SW in Paris, except in a few rather far-away areas, such as Bois de Boulogne (where there are probably more transexuals than women) and Bois de Vincennes.

And the few specimens you may sometimes meet are more related to dinosaurs than to the female species.

Happy New Year guys.

Has anyone tried the swingers club called Au Pluriel?

1263,

Au Pluriel is my personal favorite club in Paris. There is a very established ritual for visiting the place that’s followed by the locals and I very highly recommend following it, even if it does entail spending a bit more time.

Like many swing clubs, there is a regular cast of characters, many who visit on the same nights of the week every week. I went there 4-5 nights a week for two weeks this summer and had a dramatically better time the second week after my face (and strong desire for DATY) became known. Paying great attention to the pleasure of the women pays great dividends here.

Most people seem to arrive between 8:30 and 10:00 and make a night of it. You’ll probably be met by Sonja (Sonya), the owner, at the door. If you don’t look presentable to her, you’ll be seeking the evening’s entertainment elsewhere. On ground level, there’s a small bar and seating area and a coat room. You’ll be relieved of your coat and be asked to empty your pockets of loose stuff that’s likely to fall out. You’ll be given a little numbered tag to be used for charging drinks. Note that they didn’t take plastic when I was there although some of regulars seemed to have house accounts. You pay at the bar when you leave.

The first drink is including in the evening’s fee. The idea is to arrive and have a before dinner drink and sit and chat a bit upstairs before going downstairs for dinner. You’ll see many single guys roaming the place going up and down the stairs looking for what they’re missing but there’s no need to do so and you just end up looking like a desperate single guy,

Dinner is down one level and is included with the price along with the house wine. I don’t drink so I can’t comment on its quality. It’s a small buffet eaten off low tables or knees while sitting on couches or benches. The same room becomes an extra play area after dinner. My French vocabulary is limited to standard restaurant menu items and bathroom signs but quite a few people spoke at least a little English. It’s a good idea to make eye contact and friendly attempts at conversation as a number of the regular women appear to be on a constant lookout for fresh meat and dinner is a good time for introductions and chit chat. One night, I was just finishing dinner when a petite, 35-ish blonde woman sat down next to me, grabbed my head and immediately started kissing me. We ended up doing everything right there, more or less as dinner entertainment for others. The club has no private rooms so you need to have at least some exhibitionist tendencies to make the most of the place.

The music changes to more dance stuff between 10:00 and 11:00 and much of the action moves downstairs another level to the dance floor and main play areas. There are also bathrooms and showers down there. There are no locker rooms and no real places to hang clothes so most people just end up piling their things in one corner or another, thus explaining the precaution of emptying pockets upstairs. There are a number of platforms and wide benches for the action, some big enough for six people or so, both downstairs and upstairs in the eating area.

In terms of action, I found that many women would have a few men, take a break to get cleaned up put their clothes on and go back upstairs for a drink and a breather before repeating. There’s a fair amount of threesome and foursome stuff with some women much more choosy about their partners than others and some with husbands who control the flow. One big difference from my experience in American clubs is that everyone did oral uncovered and most women wanted me to come in their mouth. Most women were also very much into kissing too so the squeamish shouldn’t think too much about that combination. Sex was always covered and it’s best to bring your own condoms.

Depending on the night, there will be one or two young women working there in the coat room and continually cleaning. Sonya runs a tight ship and the place is pretty much spotless all the time. These women, attractive as they may be, are there to work and you’ll only embarrass yourself if you try to get them into the action.

It’s difficult to predict the levels of action on the days of the week. They’re only closed on Monday and there is no afternoon session like many Parisian clubs. Single guys are allowed at all times but seem to be concentrated on Fridays and Saturdays. Only on Fridays and Saturdays did I see couple who were there only to be with each other and who didn’t want any other men. I found Sundays to be a nicely busy night without too many single guys.

Patrons in my experience ranged in age from mid twenties to later forties. All were attractive, at least in my eyes, (I’m not prone to 1-10 ratings) with none of the BBWs that inhabit many American clubs. But if you will only settle for 18-25 year old hardbodies, this isn’t your place. On the other hand, all of the women I was with were very, very skilled. They know what they wanted and they knew what I wanted and how to give it to me. In my mind, it’s the classic tradeoff of age and experience being better for me than youth and enthusiasm. I’m mid-forties, if that makes any difference. Numbers of people ranged from four couple on the slow nights to ten or twelve on the busier ones. I understand that this was the summer slow period and there are more people at other times of the year. I found an advantage to being a regular and a known good time in that I had women who wanted me even on the slow nights. The number of single guys usually meets or slightly exceeds the number of couples. Appearance and manners count and I saw any number of guys leave unfulfilled. Interestingly enough, these were both guys who were to shy to jump in when they had an opportunity and guys who were asshole-level pushy and rude who got shut out by the women. Several times, while DATY I had guys attempt to physically push me out of the way so they could get to the woman.

To compare and contrast, the place is much more friendly and open than American clubs that tend to be cliquish with the action behind closed doors. But it’s not as aggressively wild as German places like Beverly where it’s not uncommon to get pulled to the floor by a woman who wants you right now. No swing club is a sure bet and YMMV a great deal with just a single visit. If you’re willing to invest a bit of time over multiple evenings, however, I found Au Pluriel to be very enjoyable.

Fetish,

Thank you for the informative report on the Pluriel club. Will certainly give it a shot.

Have you heard of another near to Champs Elysess?

Fetish Photog, # 1263
Could you explain were Au Pluriel sits in Paris ? Please provide directions.
Thanks in advance
Cheers

Wolf,

13 rue François Miron 75004
Telephone 01 40 29 07 52

Their site at http://www.plurielclub.com is not working for me at the moment but they usually have good info in French and English.

Rue François Miron runs diagonally southwest to northeast from the Hotel de Vile to the church of St Paul/St. Louis. It's about three blocks east of Hotel de Ville on the north side. It's numbered and signed.

Wolf,
It's on Francois Mirron a couple of blocks away from Hotel deVille in the 4th Arrondisement. Closest Metro is St. Paul's.

Wolf,

I guess you have the directions. Taking the metro is the best bet.

One has to be dressed up to get in, of course. I have seen their site and it has great information and even pictures! Check it out mate.

Does anyone have any experience with 'rencontres kleber'? It is an agency, located on boul Keber, just off the Etoile, which offers to arrange discreet meetings between attached men and women. Price is steep, at 800 euros for 4 encounters.

They claim great success, but at that price, they better be.

To David31 about "rencontres Kleber"/

Be VERY careful. I don't know this agency, but i tried another agency with exactly the same way of proceeding.

They try to rob you the maximum of money at the first meeting by telling you that you would have without any problems some hot meetings.

But, after you pay, you can call them just 2 hours a day and they tell you they have noone for you.

After several weeks, they give you a number to call, but the girl is not interested to meet you (1 meeting left).

After another several weeks, they give you another number to call.

This time, the girl want to meet you. You invite her at a good restaurant, you pay and good bye. When you call her again, she don't want to see you again (I think, she is paid by the agency).

After that, I tried to ask the agency to give me back a part of my money, but they refused very rudly. So I left them my money!

So, one advice: Don't go to this kind of agency, don't give any commitment.
Or, ask to pay only for ONE meeting the less of money possible, and tell them that you will pay after if you are happy.

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It's hard to believe a city the size of Paris doesn't have more action. I imagine there are several private apartments/clubs that aren't advertised and you need to be a member to know about it. If anyone knows about such places please PM me.

I'm not into the swinger club scene so that's out of the question. I'm not really going expecting to hobby but you never know the mood one will be in.

Any other advice is appreciated.

Saint,

Paris is the biggest rip-off for P4P. There are plenty high class escort services. You have to pay an arm and leg for all of that. I have no P4P experience in Paris.

However, as a young American, you can have plenty of freebies (or pay in a different way). Dressing well and speaking English will get you in many trend nightclubs. Making sure that girls heard you speaking English when you are in the clubs. Trendy French girls consider speaking English is cool.

I have not been Paris for 2 years. Not sure which nightclub is good now. I used to go to Les Bains Douches (01 48 87 01 80) a lot when I worked in France. Many fashion models go there to party. It was difficult for average French guys to get in. Dressing well is the key. These French know what kind of your clothing you wear, even for a doorman. When you start to talk to a girl, order a bottle of alcohol (always order by bottle). This can easily cost a few hundreds dollars. But, you can have a quite good time and easily get laid. And, don’t drink beer in a club. For French, it is not cool.

For more down-to-earth girls, well, you have to sweet-talking and do a lot of work as everywhere else.

Thanks Captain Nemo. I still don't think I'll do the P2P but you never know. Just depends on the mood I'm in. I was also told the exact same thing as you wrote about hitting the trendy night clubs and dressing well and speaking English and possibly scoring.

I noticed that Europeans are a lot more aware of the clothes/shoes you wear. When I was in Italy in November/December 2003 several girls commented that they liked my shoes (Prada) of all things. They knew the difference between a pair of regular black shoes and designer shoes. They know an Armani shirt from a regular shirt. Most Americans can't tell their head from their ass when it comes to fashion so it was kind of nice for these Europeans to notice.

I'll post if I come across anything interesting. Thanks again.

Saint

Saint

It is nice that someone acknowledges (even appreciates) your fashion and investment made to look good and feel comfortable.

Well, these French take it even up a notch. They know if your cloths are from the last season or you just brought it for this season. In many cases, you will be treated differently based on how you dress. That’s why many American feel mistreated in France.

So, dressing well does pay dividends in France. It attracts certain segment of girls (Most of them are pretty and very well dressed).

Hi,

I am French speaking european and it is a long time that I go to France and try to have a good time and a good service at a reasonnable price but it has always been very difficult.

In Paris there are not many options:

- the SW that give you a 20 min service in a "shabby-looking" hotel for 50 to 70 €. Rather cheep but not very exciting. If she comes to your hotel you may have a better service. You may establish a stable and renewed relation with this kind of girl and she will give you an always better service.

- the escort girls from internet or newspapers like "La Vie Parisienne". In this case if you pay more than € 100 per hour, it is a rip off. Here also, if you establish a stable and renewed relation you will have a always better service.

- swinger clubs are also an option but as single you may have difficulties to enter some clubs.

France and Paris in particular are not really a place for sex. Nothing to compare with Netherland or Germany

In general in France be very careful there is a lot of rip-off.

Gentlemen,

I may be lucky enough to visit Paris for two days soon. I am wondering if the SW scenes still exist in the Rue St Denis and in the Rue de Budapest, near Gare St Lazare. I have good memories of the Rue de Budapest from frequent visits in the 1980s with cheap and raunchy sex available all day. Have things changed? And how are the prices these days?

I hate to ask for information, I normally provide it (see Lisbon and London boards) but any assistance will be much appreciated,

Muri

See attached map for areas to find SWs. It is actually taken from a report on prostitution commissioned by the Mayor of Paris office.

Purple means that prostitution is rampant in the area, usually well-known spots, whereas red indicates that SWs are available but not that obvious (dressed in plain clothes, dont work all day aso...)

To Murilloa,

Unfortunately, you'll probably be disappointed if you go through ru de Budapest.
Rue Saint Denis is a little better, but a little only.

French officials are presently congratulating themselves because SW have left the heart of Paris. SW have now moved to the "boulevard des maréchaux", but there are definitely fewer of them.

To Getopardo,

You're painting a somewhat too gloomy picture of central Paris. (BTW, central Paris is where I live.) Much more interesting than rue St. Denis, if you're into quick and dirty sex, that is, are the nearby areas around the metro stations Strasbourg-St.Denis and Republique, as well as the boulevard that connects the two.

The action is dominated by Romanian and Chinese women (also a few French ones of Algerian origins). The Romanians are younger than their colleagues, but they are also the ones that are by far the most prone to trickery. The Chinese women are generally past their prime (30-50 y.o.) but much more likely to make an effort beyond the call of duty. - So here's the big question: does one go for youth or effort?

The minimum price is 30 euros for one pop, and most of the Chinese women stick to this price. Romanians and Arabs often try at 40-50 euros but can be negotiated down on a slow night. To this add around 30 euros to pay for a room in a nearby shabby hotel. In the case of the Chinese you are well adviced to add a gratuity of 10-20 euros upfront; it establishes a "bond of gratitude" (very important in their culture) which brings a GFE within reach. The Romanians will probably ask for extra money by themselves; paying up makes no difference whatsoever to their attitude.

The Romanian/Arab women are found around metro St.Denis and in Boulevard Strasbourg which connects the metro station with the Gare de l'Est railway station. The Chinese women are found around metro St.Denis (the only place where the two groups mix) and on the road leading from there to Place de la Republique. Identifying the working girls (there are also many bona fide expats in the neighbourhood -- don't insult them!) is pretty easy. The Romanians usually quite demonstrative and pushy. The Chinese women are a bit more discrete, and you need to look out for married couples and college girls who also roam the streets. However, if you meet one or two Chinese women who are no longer of university age just give them a second look. If they return it, there you go, they are working.

I am looking for suggestions or reviews. I want to find a GFE in Paris, but I do not speak French. I was hoping to stay under the 300 per hour that the escorts request, but without additional info, I will be forced to pay that. I have been to the swinger's clubs, but that isnt for me and usually not GFE. Without further info, I am looking at Taste of Heaven or Emmanuelle escorts. Does anyone have info on these, or even better, info on something better than these?

I will post my results when I return to the states.

Priamos,

What you call "Romanians" are actually "Romani" gypsys. Romani is an ancient culture (also, FYI, a similar culture is the "Travellers," Irish and English white gypsys), not a nationality. They can be from any country, especially the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Albania, the Balkans, or Bulgaria and including Romania.

However, I think the Chinese girls are cuter and much better to deal with.

Merlin,

Oh, ^#$%$^!! I hadn't though of that, but you are right, of course. I have talked to some of the girls in Bd. Strasbourg and they assured me they were Romanian (no, not Roma, RomaNIAN). I was surprised to find them darker skinned, and dressing somewhat more sloppily, than your average Romanian person, and I also noticed that some of them spoke Turkish (yes really!) to their pimps -- but, hey, there's a Turkish minority in Romania. But, there you go: it also accounts for the aggressive bargaining habits AND the gold teeth that many of them, even the younger ones, sport.

Thanks for opening my eyes to this simple fact.

Priamos

Priamos,

The only way you can tell if a Romany W/G is telling you lies, is that her mouth is moving. Had you asked her if she was Turkish or Greek, she probably would have claimed either, also.

Nearly all countries around and north of Greece and Turkey and Iraq and up through Slovakia have large populations of Romany people.

In the Czech Republic, on the average, they are considered as inferior Black people.

I still like Chinese girls best, but only when I can't find an Aussie Sheila.

Does any one know if there is still some street action near to Champs Ellyese? I was there a couple of months back and saw some hot young babes around. Also some of these french escorts have their apartments near by.

Something very rare in Paris,beautiful escort girls,speaking english and under 250/hour.

http://www.lovelynewgirls.com

My favourites are Adina and Loana and they are best togheter.

Does someone know where to get a BBBJ or even better BBBJ + CIM in Paris?

Thanks

Hi all. I've been in Paris the past few days. I know I've said it before about other cities but this is a world class city. It's truly amazing! All of you that live in Paris are truly lucky to be able to wake up to some of those sights. It's also THE most romantic city in the world. Wow! The first few days were rainy and dreary but the sun came out yesterday and today and it's been beautiful! (It was cold last night though).

The hobby scene as reported is pretty much dead. I'll post more when I get back. I hooked up with a normal girl that is beautiful, smart, funny and all around cool girl. I think she'll meet me in Nice for my March trip and I might come back to Paris next month. I hit the jackpot. She's from Romania and is fluent in English.

I noticed there are some upscale escorts working some nicer hotel bars. I'm staying in a nice hotel near the Eiffel Tower and on Friday night I was kind of solicited. Price was steep at 300 Euros for I think a short time session so I passed. She was a pretty girl from Ukraine. I walked down their red light district near the Moulin Rouge. Tons of strip club type places and XXX porn shops. I just walked and avoided the hawkers pleas to come in. I did talk to a group of Indian dudes that were tourists. They told me they got pulled into some strip club and girls were all over them. The manager brought over a "complimentary" bottle of champagne but when they got up to leave 15 minutes later they demanded 600 Euros!!! Be careful and avoid these clubs.

The normal clubs are cool! Hit Les Etoiles, Les Bains Douches (long lines - beautiful people come here...if you're not young, dressed well, hip they won't let you in), and Le Reservoir. Also, there was a new club I think called Caberet that was hip.

I walked around for 4 hours last night with my girl. Very, very very romantic city. It was the Chinese New Year week and they celebrated with a parade in the street and the Eiffel Tower was red last night with lights.

Bring your wallet though. EVERYTHING here is expensive! Expect to pay about $200 a night for a 4 star hotel. I'm staying at a hotel a 7 minute walk from the Eiffel Tower. It's a true 4 star hotel. I paid an extra 100 Euros to get a view of the Eiffel Tower. I'm on the 29th floor. (Get a room on 20th floor or higher to get an unobstructed view of the Tower). Bottled water and Pepsi's are 3 Euros on the street!

Taxi's are very difficult to find at night. Especially on the weekends. Unbelieveable. I got done with dinner close to 2 AM with my girl and there were amazingly long lines for taxi's and none to be found. We ended up eating in Bastille and it's too far to walk to my hotel. Luckily some dude asked me if I wanted a ride to my hotel. I asked how much and he said 20 Euros. I thought it was steep but it was probably a bargain. Took a while to get home since there was so much traffic at 2 AM!

Most of the French dudes I am meeting aren't into French girls. They are dating Eastern Europeans or Japanese or Asian girls.

EVERYONE should hit Paris at least once in their lives. For those that don't believe in God you will once you see the view from the Montmartre. Amazing! Go up there at sunset.

Learn some French as many people don't speak English. The younger crowd seems to speak some English. Americans need to readjust their thinking when it comes to France. Many Americans say, "I hate the French and the French hate Americans," but I don't find this true. The fact of the matter is that most Americans have never even been to France nor know any French people personally. I found most French to be friendly. In the clubs when the girls hear me speaking English they have been very warm. Don't be an ugly loud American. I do find the French a bit structured like the Swiss. They aren't as cold as people in Switzerland but they aren't as friendly as the Italians.

I've encountered no crime whatsoever and each night I've been walking past 2 AM. Be careful though. My girl said that 3 young guys tried to mug her once. She just screamed and they ran off. She was surprised since this was attempted in a residential area.

Anyway, this is probably boring you all since there is little to no hobby info. I'll see if that girl is in the lobby tonight again in my hotel. . I saw her the last two nights. Life is good.

Saint

Just got back today. Here is something I wanted to add that I quickly typed up. Hopefully it helps some people thinking about hitting this amazing city!


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Make sure you get the guidebook called Plan de Paris par Arrondissement. It's a valuable tool for sightseeing and getting around Paris. It's a small book as opposed to many fold-out map type guides. The guide has maps of each neighborhood (arrondissements), and metro and bus routes. You can buy it on Amazon.com or any Barnes and Noble bookstore. I also noticed it in many shops in Paris.

Arriving at the airport:

The airport code for Paris is CDG. There is another airport but if you are coming from the USA you'll be arriving at CDG. I researched the various and cheapest methods of getting from/to the airport. You can take the Metro (RER) into town but it takes some time. I didn't mess around with it. The various shuttles are the quickest and most convenient way to get into town. Most of them all cost around 24 € each way and it's door to door service so they will take you directly to your hotel. I found one company called Blue Van - http://www.airportshuttle.fr The reason I used them as opposed to the many others is because I found out they charge the same in US$ as Euros. You can pay before you leave with your credit card via Paypal.com (I paid $44 US as opposed to $57 with the horrible Euro conversion).

The only semi inconvenient thing is that all the shuttle companies in Paris make you call upon arriving at the airport and then they pick you up. They all say to call from a payphone toll-free but I just called from my cellphone and it worked fine. Make sure to tell them which terminal/gate you are near.

The other cheap alternative is you can take Air France's shuttle bus no matter which airline you fly into. I believe it leaves every 15 minutes and the cost is 12 €. The disadvantage is it doesn't take you door to door so pay attention where your hotel is. Do a search on Google.com under Air France Shuttle and you can find out more info.

Hotels:

There is no shortage of hotels in Paris. Most of the nicer 4 and 5 star hotels are quite pricey though. Be careful as many countries in Europe use a different star system. Many times it is one star level below US standards. So if they say 5 star it's really 4 star; 4 star really 3 star, etc. Go to a site like www.hotels.com and you can get an idea of the price range. Most 4 star US equivalent hotels are at least $150- $300+ tax per night. The further outside of touristy Paris the cheaper it is but keep in mind that taxis are expensive here.

Getting around:

My goal was not to take any taxi's at all. I technically managed to do that since I couldn't find an available taxi on several nights while out and about. For a city the size of Paris there aren't too many taxi's. During the day there is no problem but at night, especially on the weekends it was difficult to flag down a taxi. There are various spots where people literally wait in line for a taxi. The lines can get long for taxi's that don't come too often.

One night in Bastille I was with my girl and we needed two seperate taxi's. She kind of joked around that maybe we would have to walk home. Only the joke was on me because she wasn't kidding around. We walked around for a while and even at 2 AM it was difficult to find a taxi. We walked to a hotel and there was one taxi that she took. She didn't want to take a taxi believe it or not because she said they all scam people. I didn't see any alternative. I gave her 30 € and she didn't want to take any money from me. I stuffed it in her pocket though and then I had to find my own taxi.

I went back to this long line and there was some French guy asking people in line if they wanted a ride. I guess he was just some dude that owned a car. Some people would tell him their location and he turned his nose and said no so I guess it was not far enough. He asked me and I told him I was staying near the Eiffel Tower. I asked the price and he said 20 €. I didn't even try to negotiate. I was tired from walking around all night with my girl and it was cold out.

The traffic believe it or not was horrible even at 2 AM! On the way home I saw several lines of people waiting for traffic and I felt relieved to have a ride home. He made several attempts to talk to me but I couldn't understand him. I bought Pimsleur French before the trip but only listened to 9 lessons. Those 9 lessons helped though. I was bored so I called my friend Starfe on my cellphone and we had a good chat.

Keep in mind the Metro stops after midnight. That's the reason I couldn't use it late at night.

The French People:

Forget the preconceived notion that French hate Americans before coming here. Almost every dude at one time or another has said, "I hate the French" or "the French hate us Americans" . Hell, I've said it before and I kind of used it as an excuse for never visiting France. Sure, the French are pussies when it comes to many Global issues but we as Americans tend to over generalize. The plain truth of the matter is that the majority of Americans have never been to France or even know anyone from France.

People say, "the French are rude", which may be true but I didn't experience this phenomenon. Maybe part of the reason why is because I at least made an effort to be open minded. I took the time and effort to learn at least the words for please, thank you, good morning, goodnight, how much is that, do you speak/understand English, I am American, Mr./Miss/Mrs. ,I don't understand French, can you please help me, where is ___, and some numbers and other various phrases. Always try to speak some French (even if it sucks) when you encounter someone or enter a restaurant, club or store. It will go a long way.

Never be an "ugly American" or become loud or obnoxious. Don't let yourself get upset by something. Make sure you don't wear clothing that is considered offensive or just plain tacky/ugly. On many international adventures I see guys dressed like slobs or wearing T-shirts that say the city they are from in bold lettering. (Example: ARKANSAS!!! ). The French and Europeans in general tend to dress better and the girls especially will treat you better if you're dressed nicer.

Exchanging Money:

The best rates typically can be found by using your ATM card but I've always believe Cash is king when traveling and usually just exchange some. I did change some at my hotel and I got a bad rate as I fully expected. I got 72 € for $100 US which would be a rate of about 1.39 € : 1 $US. The official banking rate is 1.28.

Note: Be careful where you change your money! I typically never exchange money at those exchange window places in touristy areas. On a weekend the banks weren't open and my driver told me there was a good spot with a good exchange rate near the area where we were at. I was not paying attention and I didn't notice there were 3 places where he was talking about. I went to the wrong one. I did look at the rate and it said 1.38 which was bad but ok with me. Most countries must display if they charge a commission but I didn't ask since my driver said this place had a good rate. Upon exchanging $100 US she only gave me back 51 €. I was shocked! I asked her where the rest of my money is and she gave me a receipt that showed they charged a commission of about 20 € !!! I asked for my money back but she said it was too late.

When I got back to my driver I told him and he was so upset. I guess he was talking about another place a block down. I think he was more upset than I was. We went to this place and true to his word it was a good exchange rate of 78€ per $100 US. ALWAYS ask if they charge a commission and more importantly ask them if you exchange $100 US how much you will get back in Euros when it's all said and done.

Girls and the Nightlife Scene:

There are many high-end dial a date escorts but I didn't partake this trip. I got lucky and met a normal girl. The circumstances of this meeting are actually funny. Often times before hitting a new city I'll do a search on Yahoo or MSN under profiles and email some girls and ask them what the hip clubs are at the moment. Several emailed me back giving me the names. One girl emailed me back some names of places she wanted to hit but hadn't since she was relatively new to Paris too and didn't have many friends there. I quickly invited her to meet up and was surprised when she said Ok. I had a great time with her. Like many things in life you have to put forth an effort to obtain results.

I did see a few girls in my hotel bar. It isn't obvious but you'll see that they will make eye contact and if you go to talk to them it will become clear that they can be a paid companion if you want. I talked to this Ukranian girl that spoke good English and was dressed impeccably. I guess the hotel has a policy of letting them in if they are dressed nice?? I'm not sure. I think this girl knew someone working at the hotel. I saw her 2 nights in a row. The 2nd night I stopped on my way up to my room and had a drink with her and joked around. I asked her about the "scene" and she said that many girls go to nicer hotels lobby bars to pick up tourists. My hotel was a giant hotel. It was formally the Nikko hotel. Many of the guests were Asian and Europeans.

This is probably you're best bet for picking up a girl. I wasn't in the mood to pay 300 € (which is the rate she hinted at) since I'm going to Costa Rica this weekend and London in a few weeks.

As I mentioned there are some strip clubs near the Moulin Rouge but stay away! These are all reported rip offs. Those Indian dudes I saw looked like someone hit them with a 2X4 with the look on their faces having paid 600 €. I told them I would have refused to pay that and asked to call the police. It appeared they didn't travel much and I wanted to quickly get away from them after I heard they foolishly paid that much.

I walked by the Crazy Horse which I was told had a good show but again I was in no mood to get teasted or pay a high price.


Conclusion:

I found the prices for most things to be more expensive than most places. Paris isn't a cheap city. What is especially difficult to believe is that Parisians don't seem to earn more than their European counterparts even though the city is more expensive. I'm not sure how they can afford to live there.

Bottled water and a can of soda in most touristy areas is 3 € (almost $4 US). When I told my driver how expensive I found things he said that you can buy things cheaper at grocery stores but I explained to him that tourists don't have time to go to these places or can find them easily. He agreed. This guy was really cool.

Paris is a great walking city. You must explore Paris by foot. It's a good idea to take a mini tour of the city one afternoon or morning to get a good idea of the layout. I did this one day then walked around on my own after that. The wonderful thing is that you can just follow the River up and you can see so many wonderful areas. It's an easy way and you can't get lost this way.

Paris is a melting pot of different races. I found it funny that several times people said that they thought I lived here. When I asked them why they just said that I didn't look like a tourist which really puzzled me. Even my driver said that I could pass for a local student. Maybe it was the way I was dressed or just my attitude. I'm not sure. There is no 'typical Paris look'. Unless you are dressed horribly "American" you won't be singled out as a tourist.

I found the restaurants to be quite good. There are many higher end restaurants but there are also some affordable restaurants too. You don't have to spend a lot of money dining if you don't want to. I did treat myself to one good restaurant each day. There are many neighborhood eating establishments in Bastille. I liked Bastille and it looked like a cool area to stay in. It's not too close to many touristy stuff but it's easy to get here with the Metro. DEFINITELY stop and have a hot chocolate at a place called Angelina. It was an orgasmic experience and they had lines out the door.

Parisians are a very proud people. Some might consider them arrogant but I didn't find this to be true. I would be very proud if I lived there. They are quite fortunate to live in such a beautiful city. I asked my driver one day if he realizes how lucky he is to live here. He said it's easy to forget after living here so long and seeing these sites day after day. I would move to Paris in a New York second if I could earn a good salary there.

People talk about how expensive Europe is. Generally this is true after hitting it a few times in only a few months. I'm also headed back there next month, again in March and again with Kick Stand in May. Keep in mind though many important things don't cost alot. It doesn't cost anything to walk around and see the sites. (Granted they might have a high admission to get in).

Good luck!

Saint,
Great Report
You seems to be pretty open minded for an American (joking!)
This is like in every country of the world, if you are nice and try to adapt to the locals, they will be nice to you. The French are not worst than any other.
Of course if you arrive with you Arkansas Teeshirt and want to drink Coke with your Foie Gras, you start with an handicap.
I am glad you enjoyed Paris.

Saint,

Congratulations on a great report !

Concerning the cost of living, most French people do find life in Paris pretty expensive too. A big difference with North America could be that one third, at least, of all Paris inhabitants don't pay "normal" rent (they live in lodgings belonging to the State, or to the city).

Again, congratulations.

hey guys. thanks. yes, paris is a magnificent city. i think more americans need to be open minded about visiting france. i was amazed that some american wrote on another message board that he found paris "dirty". i found the city immaculately clean. there was no trash in the street. however, you do have to be careful where you walk because there is dogsh*t on the sidewalks. (i guess paris has no pooper scooper laws??).

i did talk to some people that told me about the cheaper rents. i also inquired about property taxes and prices for apartments there. it was amazing that you don't pay much taxes on your houses/apartments. one guy told me he is kicking himself in the ass because he could have bought a 2 bedroom apartment in montmartre a few years ago for like $120,000 and now it is worth maybe $200,000.

you fellas have a world class city. i'm looking forward to returning in may. good luck.

Short report on the SW scene in the Southeast of Paris
I cruised yesterday afternoon around the Porte Dorée Porte de Vincennes but it was absolutely dead, probably due to the cold weather.
Also very few girls were working in vans in the Bois de Vincennes.
I almost stopped to get serviced by a pretty black near the Pyramid but one guy was faster than me. I was going to go back to work but spotted a Chinese near the statue of Athena (Porte Dorée).
Stopped and asked how much: 30€. We went to a hotel near by (rue Marsoulan). Very good attitude, she was mid 30s not a stunner but the session was pretty good.
Denis

Pick up a chinese SW 2 days ago behind Porte Doree, 3 out 10, but 20E for CBJ and 30E for sex.

She told me that there are less girl working nowdays since the new laws came across.

You can be picked up by the cops with the girl.

Someone knows more about that?

[b]*General info not necessarily related to mongering but good to know in order to make your visit a little more pleasant*[/b]

Dear Saint:

Funny, we were in Paris at the same time! It would have been nice to meet you. As I said before, I learned a lot from your Buenos Aires posts. Hopefully these couple of points will be helful for your next trip.

1-Arrival: My preferred mode of transport from Airport is the RoissyBus, a slightly modified city bus that runs NON-STOP from the airport to Opera. It departs Very conviniently from the arrival level of Terminals 1 and 2. I think most of the time there is one every ten minutes. I've used it half a dozen times in the last two years and I have never waited for it more than five minutes. If you arrive in terminal one as I always do, you are in luck since it does not go to any other terminals before leaving the airport. The cost is only 8.2 Euros, and it is just as fast, if not faster than a Taxi (about 30 min. if no traffic jam).

2-Exchange rate: At this point I hope everyone knows that all U.S. credit cards hit you with about 3% mark-up for using a foreign currency. Highway robery, if you ask me. I used to exclusively use creit cards in the past, but now never do so after learning the above. It is best to just use your ATM card from the U.S. in any ATM, and get cash. Unlike the U.S., there is no ATM fee and the exchange rate is the best. There is no "Mark-up" from your bank, either. This remains the best strategy, at least until the banks figure out that they can rip us off by charging similar fees.

3-Non-Pros: You lucky B....!!!!! For a somewhat different perspective, also consider going to swing clubs that accept single males. This has been discussed at length before, and I have gotten "lucky" several times in this maner.

4-Hotels: Expensive, either way you look at it. Some "Accor" brand hotels within a 10 min. metro ride from the "center" can be had for about 100 Euros a night. They are rather modern, but the rooms are small. My take on this issue is that it is impossible to have a really nice room on par with US. standards in central Paris for less than $200 a night. Given that I only sleep in my room, I usually choose a 3-star in the middle of the town and with some hunting these can be had for as little as 90 Euros a night. (I'll choose to live "grand" when I go to Buenos Aires, but not in Paris).

5-Restaurants: I highly recommend everyone should try, at least once, one of the grand restaurants. The dining experience is unlike that of the U.S., and the service is usually outstanding. Examples include places such as Lucas Carton, Carre des Feuillant, Le Grand Vefor, Alain Ducase, etc... (Sorry for all the spelling problems Mes Amies...). In this class of restaurants, If you go for dinner and order a la carte expect to pay about $320 per person including wine at dinner!!!!!! Out of this world, ne c'est pas? But you can have the same quality food at lunch ordered off a prix fix menu and end up spending about $110 per person. Still outrageous, but I think very much worth the experience. For example, Lucas Carton, arguably one of the best Paris restaurants, has a 3 course prix fixed lunch menu of 75 Euros. Another phenomenon is that just about all famous chefs have a "second" restaurant where their type of cooking can be experienced rather more affordably. Also please do not pass on simple pleasures such as getting a crepe for 2 euros and eating it while strolling along bolvd. montmarte.

Take care, and hope our paths cross one day.

Thanks Sexplorer,

The weather turned nice didn't it? I was a little worried before going but the traveling gods cleared the skies for us. Saturday and Sunday were nice.

Glad I could help out with my Buenos Aires info. Lots of dudes told me they went there after reading my posts which is nice. I always like to help guys.

I did get lucky with the non-pro. VERY sweet, intelligent girl that is fluent in English. We had a good time. I'm planning on flying her down to the French Riviera when I'm there in March. Should be fun.

France is as cheap or as expensive as you want to make it. There were average hotels but any decent hotel you're gonna have to spend money. I got a great deal on my hotel at $150 US a night with some special promotion. I opted to pay an extra $50 to upgrade to the high floor so I could see the Eiffel Tower. It was worth it.

The food everywhere I went was great. I'm returning to Paris in May and the weather should be perfect. People should make an effort to talk to some people there. I totally lucked out but I've gotten lucky in other places too. Good luck.

Saint

P.S. Here is a picture I took from the top of Montmartre. Amazing!

Yesterday, I was driving on the N19 (South East of Paris)
I found a nice SW working out of a Renault Espace, Named Aina.
She is 22, from Romania, nice body, nice breast, nice attitude, will do hotel for 100€, she charged me 40€ for a BJ and F.. in her monospace, (no seats in the back).
She is working everyday, you can find her 1 KM after the town of Guignes parked on the right side, before, Guignes you can find also some other SW (before a GoKart place, still on the N19) but they do not look good. Guignes is around 35km from Paris.
Denis

Hello guys!

I read somewhere in this forum, that there are chinese SW between St-Denis, and Republique.

I tried to find them last week, as I was in Paris, but was unable to do so.

Do I have to buy me some glasses, or are they hidden?

If someone could help me, I'll be in Paris soon again.

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Simon, in my past trips, I have seen many Asian ladies at Porte Doree and in Bois Vincennes.

FYI for all, for my next foree into Paris, I will spend some extra time looking up and listing the AMP scene there. I know they exist because I saw several in the southeast part of the city. I didn't have the time to try them because I didn't spot them until on my way out of town. Nobody ever lists or reports on them. I may write a book and call it Merlin's Guide. Now, if Mc Coys wanted to hire me to write a French version of their book...well then...

Some infos on the chinese girls; well you can find them near the crossing of Boulevard Sebastopol and Boulevard Saint Denis, south of this crossing, near the McDonald, also near the the Sephora shop on the 11 boulevard Saint Denis. Action starts from 4pm till later in the evening, but it is not permanent, so not everyday. They are not all beauties, not dressed sexy so not easy to spot , but they are normally in small group, some of them are occasionelle. Cheap deals, some gf experience when in hotel.

Hope you find these, and let you know your experiences.

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A similar site as wsgforum.com exists in France, it is very a useful forum where you can find infos on spots, reports on escort, streets, reports on scam ,and so on, free, no ads, no commercial ; the site is www.escortfr.com.

I am not affiliated with this site but use it very often to check infos. The most useful site from france, still most of the posts are on paris scene. Posts are in french so if you do not know the language, just translate the text with an online translator.

Another topic to answer, take care about the police when taking girls in the streets, government issued new laws that will allow them to prosecute the girl and you. This is getting tougher, that's the reason why the street actions fell a lot in Paris, you do not see anymore or very few eastern europe girls; it is not anymore the street girls supermarket as before! Been in paris, 2 weeks ago and found only in the streets blacks or trans, these ones are maybe the last ones who do not care about the police, I did not go for it, not my taste.

Frongie, that escort fr website does not work.

Thank you Frongie.

I think I will try it again next week.

But this time I go on the right side of the street, because last time I went from Boulevard Sebastopol to Republique.

And if I understand you, I have to go from Boulevard Sebastopol to rue St Denis, right?

Merlin Magician, try www.escortfr.net.

Simon

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This may come as a surprise to some of you, and please don't take this the wrong way, but you can not use my forum to promote a competing forum.

If you have info, then post it here.

Thanks,

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There are chinese woman around Strasbourg St-Denis, and especially in front of the Sephora shop.

I will tell you more as soon as I found them.

Simon

Jackson, was just trying to help. I got your point, fair enough.

For the direction, from the Boulevard Sebatospol, turn left to the Boulevard St Denis, in direction of Rue St Denis, so action is there, likely between McDonald and Sephora shop. But, it is not permanent, something nothing; other side of the street you might find some also. Start time is from 4pmish. At some time last year, I saw some Russian, Turkish/Albanian also.

Good luck

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Simon, that's correct.

Update on Strasbourg St Denis, McDonalds, Sephora, Metro station, and opposite street from my fellows in Paris:

I am from Nice, time of action is between 5pm till 7 pm. 6pm is the time when Chinese stops their sewing work in this area. Still one or two Russians, Romanian also. Some days, nothing happens though, good hunt, hope you are there the right days.

Two weeks ago I was in Paris staying near the Arc de Triumphe. Tried to contact Loubna (see previous reports), however she is not contactable any more - an answer service on her phone number. Guess I caught her when she was new to the game and she was so good - she must havve a million clients by now - probably tripled her prices too.

So I strolled round Arc de Triumph and met Milaki (from Morocco like Loubna). This girl was dressed like a lady so was easy to take back to hotel without any one being suspicious - hotel people assumed was wife. She cam back to the hotel with me for 100 Euroes. We had a shower together and then she gave me a blow job and sex with me finally coming over her body.

We then showered again together and she went. No kissing though.

Two weeks later and I am back in Paris again. I found Milaki but hesitated to choose her againwanting someone different. My mistake - someone else got her. Eventually found her again but she was going home for night - but gave me telephone number and promised next time that we could do French kissing too.

Feeling frustrated went to st.Dennise (near my hotel) (I know it is not cclose to Arc de Triumph) and saw a Morrocan girl again - so chose her - big mistake. She was very mechanical and did not let me touch unless I gave more money. So St Dennise reports are true - avoid.

Last time I gave Loubna's number away to two people on this site. They promised a report - never saw it. Do not ask for Milaki - Iam keeping for myself - she is bound to go upmarket soon too.

I had an overnight layover in Paris about two weeks ago I and stayed in the Madeleine area as recommended by Merlin Magician. I walked around the areas of Malesherbes Blvd and the side streets at varying hours of the afternoon and night, mentioned in his past reports, and spotted absolutely nothing.

I did discover that there were SWs at Rue Joubert at all hours of the day and night. Unfortunately, they were charging me the same price for a CBJ and FS--anywhere from $60 to $100 (USD)--way too much in my opinion for a CBJ, so I passed. I may be an American tourist, but I am not a stupid American tourist! Quality in Rue Joubert ranged from 5s to a few 8s, especially at night. Most of the women were past their menopausal age, but there were some nice-looking ones in their late 20s and early 30s working the night shift.

I also saw a few of the older women who worked out of their cars in the streets around and near Rue Joubert. None looked good enough to my liking, so I passed on those as well.

Overall, my brief stay in Paris was a true let down. Though I didn't get any action, all I got out of my brief adventure was a pair of aching feet (from all that walking!). I was expecting some street action around Madeleine/Malesherbes. Hopefully, street action will pick up in the future.

I spent a boring afternoon in Paris yesterday with money to burn (Well, it does happen occasionally... ;-)) and a great appetite for mongering. So, I was not going to the cheaper Chinese street action at St.Denis-Republique about which I posted some information last month -- and anyway most of the action there starts only around 5 p.m.

Looking for some quality stuff I searched a couple of French escort portals and came up with this advertisement:
http://courtisanenoire.site.voila.fr/ It promised 1 hour with a voluptuous young African woman for 200 euros, a-levels accepted. I phoned her and set up an appointment for about an hour later (she does not accept long advance bookings). As is customary, she gave me her address and told me to get her on the mobile when I arrived for the door security code. These days she resides south east of Place Pigalle, but she told me she'll be moving south of the Seine some time soon.

The young lady "Roxanne" turned out to be sweet in the sense that she smiles a lot, is a good conversationalist and allows French kissing. Her body is good: uphostered without being fat, but unfortunately it has unappetising stretch marks from a birth. I have to say, though, that Roxanne is a bit rushed. One hour means one pop -- the "one hour", she told me, is the maximum time one can go about it. After a good introductory 69 there was no way I could keep it up for 60 minutes, so I finished in the rear entrance (this is normally not my thing) in orderr to be able to say that I had had something for my 200 euros.

Being in Pigalle neighbourhood (and, frankly, not being quite put to ease by one pop), I sat down in Cafe le Frochot on rue Frochot -- one of the few places in this non-posh part of town where you can have a decent German lager -- and considered my position. (Frochot runs parallel with rue Pigalle.) I decided I could do with a body massage, so I went to the Club Prive on rue Pigalle (forgot the name -- but there's only one). An earlier poster has already described the place: it's in principle a swingers club, but in the afternoon they sell body massages complete with a handjob. In addition you can go to the sauna, turkish bath, jacuzzi... Price: 50 euros for entry alone, 100 euros for entry+massage if you buy your massage ticket at the entry, 150 if you buy it later. Unfortunately the owner, who knows me well, informed me that they had been squeezed by the police and the girls therefore only did body massages wearing a top and a string. This sounded a bit too prudish for me so I thanked him and left.

I returned to rue Frochot and decided to try out one of the much maligned "Bars Americains" hostess bars, as, in my experience, they are expensive but not bad. They normally open at 3 p.m. and when I arrived to one of them, La Boheme, at 4 p.m. four long-legged women in their early 20s were already at work. Af far as I could judge one was French, one Arab and two from some Slav country. I ordered a beer and a beautiful cool blonde immediately joined me and asked "je peux vous faire compagnie?" Frankly, I like smiley girls -- not mannequins -- so told her that I would like to stay alone. Stay alone is of course the one thing you cannot do in these places, so 3 minutes later a darkhaired woman (22 y.o. I'd say) with big boobs and a poor teeth allignment joined me. She was much less pretty but jokular and apparently at ease, so I offered her a glass of champagne. After 10 minutes of talking about nothing she asked the inevitable question: would I like to go in a Separate Room with her? The price of this accomodation would be, she told me, one bottle of champagne plus an equivalent sum for her. We're talking 150 + 150 euros here, and I knew the area well enough to know that this is the evening rate so I refused. Having seen my interest she offered me the same service in return for half a bottle of champagne and 100 euros for her. I accepted. Like in most of these places the "Room" is little more than a curtained alcove, but at least this one was spacey. The young lady, "Monica" kissed deeptroat gave an excellend BBBJ (Roxanne didn't) and spread wide for penetration with none of the limits limits on depth or force that many colder pros try to enforce. Price tag: just over 200 euros all included.

Conclusion: you can get a good, unrushed service in Paris but bring a big purse!

Alina

Can anyone offer some info about these girls?
They seem to be really gorgeus.
http://dreamescorts.ifrance.com

It's really a shame that the street action is poor and expensive in Paris. Seems like Cannes might be a little cheaper.

Brian
Looking at the site the price are pretty out of range, the girls are not even French, one is Maltese, the other one seems to be from North Africa.
My advise: Do not waiste money on that.
Denis

France is a ripoff, everything is expensive and the quality is low, you're better of going to the Netherlands for hookers.

Ah me; Paris and Amsterdam; It's the difference between Canard a l'orange and a fine Medoc versus creamed herring and a beer. Everyone to their taste.

I don't know if I'd compare today's Paris girls to duck l'orange. Duck is easier to find than a decent French lady nowadays. My last trip through, I saw many ladies around Bois de Vincennes and St. Denis. From what I saw, one may make the food comparisons as Pho Bang, Cous cous, baba ghanough, shawarma, and whatever gypsies eat.

Kind of like foi gras is now described as greasy duck liver.

Today's Paris duck l'orange, that is funny. Have you ever walked around St. Denis? It's more like stale duck l'orange leftovers. Amsterdam is like fine red Australian Shiraz and Argentinian Steak with Pan Fried Potatoes and Fresh rolls and creamy Dutch butter, what I had for dinner in Amsterdam a few weeks ago, I just made myself very hungry!! The Steak Frites I a sample a few days before on near the Arc De Triomphe tasted like an old shoe.

Gentlemen, gentlemen.... as a resident of Paris I must protest.

It's not as simple as you try to make it out - or perhaps rather, it is pretty much as SeniorCitizen said: Paris is a great place to eat, if you don't care a s**t about the bill. Some of the best restaurants, some of the best chefs, in the world are in this city, which can give you great oral (!) pleasure, but one ironclad rule applies: if you care the least bit about the price, forget about it, this restaurant is not for you.

Then, if you're cost conscious, and into some of the specialities from the former French colonies, you can still find something fit to eat for a reasonable price. Vietnamese nems which are only slightly overdone, Moroccan cous-cous slighly too greasy but still tasty... Paris's got it all. But...

If you're into the medium price/quality range, you're bound to be disappointed. Mais oui! Middle class France feast on a diet of grilled meat, overcooked vegetables and heavily madeup desserts - that they are too lazy to cook at home and therefore buy in restaurants that are 30 years past their prime and full of snooty waiters.

Guys, seriously, go for the takeaways or pay your way through the three-star restaurants. There's no point in eating in a restaurant that lives on the memories of past glory. (So to speak.... ;-))

I love eating out in Paris when ever I visit this beautiful romantic city. One has to go to the right restaurants, can be expensive, be a regular to enjoy the delicious creamy french pastry!.

It is an expensive city but then its 'Pari' city of designers!.

Cheers

Funny you guys are talking about food. Someone asked me on another board I go to about where I went to eat. I'm cutting and pasting my response to him. I found the food in Paris amazingly great! However, it IS expensive. The good thing is there are tons of restaurants in every price range. I ate typical French food but I'll list some of the other spots I hit with more exotic food.
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I agree with you about the French being nice. I didn't come across ANY rude French people the 4 or 5 days that I was there. As I pointed out in my report, if you are polite and try to learn some French you will have no problems. I think the rude French thing is overblown and kind of a misconception.

Paris is probably my favorite city so far in the world out of all the cities I've gone to.

The food is GREAT there. There are tiny cafes all over the city that aren't too expensive and there are also many great restaurants. The ones that I went to were:

Goumard which had really GREAT seafood. It's in the 1st Arrondissment. The hotel recommended it when I asked them for a good seafood restaurant. The address was 9 rue Duphot. Make reservations as it was very very crowded. I had to wait a little bit. I can't remember exactly how much I spent but I think it was like $80 just for me. Something like that. I think the normal set menu was something like $75.

I also went to a semi-hip spot called Buddha Bar. They really had a decent blend of music playing. It was near Champs-Elysees in the 8th Arrondissement. It had a mix of food with some Asian and French combined. Many hotties were there just drinking upstairs in the bar. I had some spring rolls, chicken skewers with orange sauce and some other appetizers. All the food was excellent. It wasn't super expensive but not cheap. I think I paid around 30 Euros for the main dish and about 13 Euros for the appetizers.
8 rue Boissy d' Anglas. The only complaint is the staff wasn't that great which was sad. I did think it was a semi-romantic spot with dim lighting and candles around.

I had lunch one day at a place called Kambodia I think it was called. That's the great thing about Paris. They have great food from everywhere. There were a ton of Asian restaurants. It's a good romantic spot also close to the Champs-Elysees. I had lunch here with my girl. I had the chicken roasted with lemon and honey. It was devine! 15 rue de Bassano. Wasn't too expensive. I think like $27 per dish. The food was very fresh and the service was excellent.

I was in the mood for Lebanese food one day and found Al Dar. It's in the 5th Arrondissement on the left bank. This also was pretty inexpensive for Paris standards. Main dishes were about 15 euros I believe. They had good hummus and tabbouleh. Address is 8 rue Frederic Sauton.

There were a lot other places I went to but I didn't write them down in my diary or have their business card. I didn't have a bad meal in Paris and I ate out 2-3 times every day.

I liked the area around Bastille quite a bit. There are tons of neighborhood type restaurants that aren't too expensive. I enjoyed walking around that area with my girl at night. The only downside was there were no available taxis on the weekends. They were all full.

Good luck.

Saint,

I'm glad you like French cuisine, but most of our food references were heavily allegoric allusions to... well, you don't think I'm really interested in greasy Maroccan couscous?Sans blague?

Let me use the opportunity to update on the streetwalker scene around the Metro station Strasbourg-St.Denis and on the streets Boulevard de Strasbourg and Boulevard Saint-Martin. We should all be grateful to France's ambitious Minister of the Interior Nicholas Sarkozy for his efforts to "clean the streets", because it has had two principal effects: (1) the Romany girls have all but vanished; and (2) their disappearance has created room for a boost in the Chinese supply. (I count this as success because the Romanies, while younger, were less cleanly and... well, less than reliable.)

Therefore, you may discard my earlier comments about Bd. Strasbourg belonging to the Romanies, it is now full of Chinese streetwalkers plus a few Arab women. The only problem is, the reason the Chinese women cannot be purged by the police is that they're legally in France -- with a work permit and all, not just with a valid passport -- and so have a nine-to-six job to attend to. On a working day, the bulk of the action therefore starts only after 6 p.m. During the weekends (esp. Sundays -- I suspect some of the women work on Saturday as well) you can find a reasonably good selection from mid-afternoon.

One word of advice, though: the hotels in the vincinity of Bd. Strasbourg do not have the capacity to deal with the large number of freelancers. (And many of them, being under Arab ownership, are biased: if you come with an Algerian SW there's always a room) There's therefore an almost 50% chance that you'll end up with a humiliating search for a room, during which your prospective bedfellow drags you from one hotel to the next on pure chance while assuring you that "she knows just where to go" and "it's only 100 meters" -- both of which soothing lies.

My hottest tip is this: Go to the far end of Bd. Saint-Martin, where it runs into Place de la Republique, just after 6 p.m. The main pick-up area is between the two entrances to the Republique Metro station (one is on Bd. St.-Martin, the other where rue du Temple runs into the Place de la Republique), on the northernmost 100 meters of rue du Temple and on the adjecent rue du Beranger. The Chinese pros (as I have written earlier) walk around either alone or in couples. Just look at them and if they return your gaze, stay put and keep looking. They will approach and speak to you.

In this part of the scene there is no problem with hotels, because the ladies have arranged themselves with the hotelliers in a larger area. The price you have to pay for this is, more often than not they drag you into the metro and take you to a hotel 1-5 stops away. Don't be afraid, they're not into the mugging business. Only most of them are not into the beauty business either, so if you want 'em young and pretty, this is not the place for you.

Saint,
As I said earlier, you have good taste and you almost deserve to be French.
Denis

What's up with all these posts about fricken FOOD ??

The only Culinary Subject matter that belongs here is DATY ,
nome sane ??

The food might be great in Paris but as far as getting laid the city is horrible and its even worse if you can't speak the language. Personally my own hometown of Sydney Australia is a far better city for meeting beautiful women.

Denis,

Thanks! I'll take that as a compliment. I still maintain that most of the Americans that complain about the French know zilch, 0, nadda about the country, culture or the people there. Everyone needs to hit Paris at least one time in their life.

PsberZombie,

I strongly disagree with you. Yes, this board is mainly about sex but many guys use it to plan for their trips. Of course they are looking for sex but they are also looking for other advice to help them have a fun, safe and enjoyable trip. Just look at the Buenos Aires, Argentina section. Look at how many topics Jackson has made there. He also lives there part of the year. That should be a good example that this board isn't just about sex. If you don't want to read something just skip it.

CBGBConnisur,

You're 100% correct. Paris IS horrible for getting laid in the P2P scene. I think Paris is one of those great cities that you go to for business, vacation, etc. but if you happen to be in the mood there is nothing like making love to a hottie with the Eiffel Tower in the distance.

Au revoir!

CBGBConnisur, PsyberZombie,

I can only repeat what I said to Saint already: the food talks further down on this thread are heavily allegoric references to sex. Read them again and you'll understand.

Saint wrote =

[quote] PsberZombie,

I strongly disagree with you. Yes, this board is mainly about sex but many guys use it to plan for their trips. Of course they are looking for sex but they are also looking for other advice to help them have a fun, safe and enjoyable trip. Just look at the Buenos Aires, Argentina section. Look at how many topics Jackson has made there. He also lives there part of the year. That should be a good example that this board isn't just about sex. If you don't want to read something just skip it.
[/quote]

Talk about Restaurants and Such , I don't Object to

But When the Discussion swerves off into multiple RECIPES ,
and Talk about Ground Goose Liver =

YIKES !!

Why don't all those guys move to =

http://www.moxie.nu/moveabletype/archives/000835.php

Á Bientôt , M. Saint

Zat es greasy duck livaire, Monsieur, But of course, ze eating of ze Francoise poosee es a lot lot like ze tasty salty escargot, non?

Manger á la Pourquoi ??

[quote] Manger á la Pourquoi ?? [/quote]

That means =

" DATY ?? "

> Manger á la Pourquoi ??

Hey, they're the same in France as anywhere else--some are pourquoility, and some are high quality. The problem is figuring out which is which before any money has changed hands.

About two years ago I made my first trip to Buenos Aires, Argentina. I fell in love with the city and the people there. It broke my heart to see so many people less fortunate than us. There are many children that don't have adequate clothing or food. Shortly after my first trip I had a goal of starting a non-profit foundation or charity to help out these people. I was surprised when Jackson (owner of WSG) was at my apartment in BA and told me that he was in the final stages of starting the same type of charity. I was amazed and touched that we had the same idea. There really was no need to redouble my efforts.

The news media likes to talk about a side of the hobby that the majority of us aren't a part of yet they don't talk about the other aspects. I'm not quite sure how much WSG Charities has raised over the past year but I'm proud to say that many guys have contributed. Some have made very generous donations of $1,000 or more. I think that's wonderful! There are so many guys that receive benefit from WSG. Directly and indirectly. I posted the following below and I would ask you to read it and make a contribution.

Maybe Jackson will decide to branch out and help feed the poor of other cities. There is so much good we as a collective group can do. There is nothing better than helping someone less fortunate than yourself. Please give generously.

I know some of you will have the response, "yeah, I already donate to charities in the USA" or make up some other excuse. Many of us donate to charities in the USA as well but I'd ask that you consider helping out this cause.

________________

"Hi amigos. Some of you may be aware that Jackson has taken the time to start a charity to help feed the poor of Buenos Aires and the surrounding communities. It's ironic because we both had the same thought about trying to do something to help the poor of Buenos Aires. He was much further along and took a lot of time and effort to put it together. Several of you have emailed me over the past several months asking if I still had plans to start something like this. There is really no need to double my efforts as we have the same goal.

I am asking all of you that have received benefit from my posts in the past and all of you that have received benefit from WSG to make a donation. This probably includes just about everyone reading this forum. Even if you have no plans to visit Buenos Aires you have probably received an indirect benefit of living vicariously through members from this forum. I'm not asking you to contribute a huge amount although if you could that would be great. With the sheer number of guys that read this board all it would take is a small donation of $10, $15, $20, $25, or $50 a year to make a big impact. If you can afford it then donate a few times a year.

I'm sure many of you could care less about the poor of Buenos Aires. If that is how you feel than so be it. I strongly feel that everyone can afford to contribute AT LEAST $10 or $15 to this cause. Several of us at the Thanksgiving Dinner last year contributed money to help with this cause. I hope that in the next few months I see more and more people with a designation under their handle that says they have donated. I didn't even know Jackson was doing that but it's probably a good idea. I would personally feel offended if I'm down there and out hobbying with some of you and you didn't contribute at least a little to this charity.

I feel like I've taken time to contribute through my posts and I've never asked any of you for anything. This is the first time and I hope you can find it in your heart to help out. You can make a donation with Paypal.com and that is probably the quick and easiest way. (To make it easy for him you might want to include your handle with your paypal.com donation). Please keep in mind that this is Jackson's project and he is the one that took the time to put it together. I know he probably didn't want to solicit donations and he never asked me to. I'm asking on my own behalf. Thanks in advance for your generosity!"

Saint

www.wsgcharities.com

Good evening there.

I will going to Paris next weekend coming for a few days, I am not into SW's, however I am interested in visiting one the swinging clubs or one the saunas for mixed couples. Do you know or could you recommend any and also which admits single men.

I speak French fairly well, so I should not have too many problems. I look forward to hearing from you very soon.

Mr. R.

My report from Paris.

I did not want to try the expensive escort services, so I took the advice of many on this board and opted to find a GFE from elsewhere.

I met a Chinese woman near the arc at rue St. Denis and St. Denis Bvd. I spoke no French or Chinese, but had little trouble understanding she wanted 60 euros. When we got inside the little hotel room (which cost me 30 euros), I gave her 90 euros (30 more than she had indicated) we stripped and caressed and kissed (including with tongue), continued the kissing and touching throughout the missionary position and finished with doggy position. We exchanged names and she gave me her phone number.

A few days later, I decided that I wanted to try an even more GFE with her. So, I had translated into french what I wanted and took it to her, but that failed because she evidently didnt understand written French. I then translated it into Chinese, and she understood that I wanted to spend at least an hour with her in my hotel room for 120 euros. She agreed easily. We set a time for the next day that was most convenient for her.

I had a great time. I picked her up and gave her a one day pass for the Metro to allow us to travel to my hotel. We kissed, hugged, and touched each other all the way to and from the hotel. At the hotel, (she did not look like a streetwalker and easily passed for a friend just coming to visit) we went to my room, showered together, I massaged her, DATY, then 69, then multiple positions, finished, laid next to each other glowing in the moment, showered again, and slowly but surely prepared ourselves for the trip back to her street. We spent over an hour together and it was a great experience. I would give her a 7/8 on looks (She was beautiful, slim, and attractive, looked around late 20s or early 30s), a 10 on attitude, only draw back was communication, but that was as much my fault as hers.

I have her name and number, if any is interested. Treat her great and she will return the favor much to your liking.

Reilly,
See previous posts- many of the swinging clubs have days and hours at which single men are permitted. Most permit in the afternoon sessions. For evenings Le Cheminee is open for single men 1-2 times during the week. Others which allow singles almost every night include L'escapade and Le Pluriel. As far as I know most of the sauna clubs allow single men.

Was in Paris and again tried to contact Loubna (see previous reports) qnd then Malaki but no luck.

I chose to stqy at Hilton Hotel thinking that there may be girls in the bar area (but no such luck = Merdien better for this).

So went to Ettoile qnd stqrted walking around, realised that there are some Arab girls sitting in coffee shops that were probably ripe, but was nervous to go in and ask in case they were actually sitting there inocenty with friends. Next time I will be more adventurous.

In the end I found Monique from Ivory coqst on Ave Victor Hugo=she qsked for 150 euro but agreed 100 for suck and fuck and french kissing, so took her to room.

Then she de,qnded more - would not kiss qnd wqnted taxi fare home. In end qgreed 150 and got into bed for one hour.

She was OK but I think the Morracan girls are best=I had better bj then just hard sucking.

She did say however thqt the <french police use sites like these to telephone the girls and trap them=so she does not want her telephone number advertised.

Although she was OK I dont think I will use her again. Like all the Africans that I have experienced = they promise a lot and then dont deliver while wanting more cash

I just spent a very agreable afternoon at the Sultana club, on 62 rue Jean Baptiste Pigalle, (metro Pigalle). It is a sauna club, with a nice sauna, hammam (steam sauna), and jacuzzi. 100 Euros for entry and massage, between 1pm an 9 pm every day. Around 4-5 girls working at a given time.

Upon entering, you are given a key to a locker, where you put your clothes. A towel is all you need to wear.

After relaxing in the jacuzzi and sauna, I spied a slim tall brunette. She was russian, spoke decent french, and quite pleasant. After spending a bit of time in the jacuzzi, we went to one of the many semi-private rooms in the club, where she gave me one of the best massages that I had. She allowed me to carress her smooth body thoughout.

So far, this is the best I found in Paris. I tried the SW scene, and soon grew tired of tired, cheap *****s. I tried the rip-off 'American Bars', and I would only recommend those to people I do not like.

Sultana is something else though. For a single guy, I recommend going before 9 pm. After, it is primarily a couples only club, and the massage girls go home.

Paris is more of a city for regular mainstream tourism, as far as entertainment for single males, one would better in Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Prague, Copenhagen, or Barcelona which have high quality brothels. Contrary to Hollywood, France is not a major sex destination, there are always stereotypes that the city is a raunchy place but it is no Amsterdam. My own experience in Paris was with a Mrs. M which I met around Avenue MacMahon near the arc, she was very tall, slender, in her early 20's, a nice, fairly attractive girl. I spent about a 120 EU for an hour at my hotel room. The service was very good but the negative was that it nearly took me a week wandering through Paris to find this lady. Overall Paris is a terrible city for mongering, though its nice if you have a companion.

Thanks to all for the previous diligent reports on club echangistes. I'll be making my first trip to Paris next weekend and Le Pluriel, L'Escapade, etc all look interesting. As a single man on a quick business trip I realize that it will be hit or miss. My main concern is language. Never expected to be headed to France, so my knowledge of the language is pretty limited. Curious if this will really be a barrier, or if the women & couples attending these clubs know a bit of english or are at least willing to try and chat with those who don't know the native tongue. Having experience at American swing clubs, I do know how to act and dress appropriately.

Eco,

Don't worry about the language. Just smile and make eye contact and you'll be fine. You'll quickly figure out that how to act in French clubs is a bit different than in American ones - I've found it to be much, much easeir for single males in French clubs. Also remember that all the action takes place in public, so to speak, rather than all the closed door crap at American clubs.

i was in paris last month. my hotel was a couple of blocks up the hill from pigalle. i did not have time to explore the city too much. i would have liked to have made it to st. dennis and some of the other areas i read about in this forum, but i just did not have time.

anyway, on my last night i decided to walk along pig alley to check out the scene. after reading the caution, i made sure to avoid any of the strip clubs that try to hustle you in with a free beer. i went into a couple of shops. one was called the sexadrome. a cute older blonde woman offered to do a private peep show, no divider for 35 euro. she said massage or mutual masterbation was an options. i said i may be back later. i walked down the street and found another shop (do not remember the name) that had $20 peep shows but there was no way to preview the girls who were working there. i went back into sexadrome and there were two other girls offering the same services, but neither peaked my interest and the blonde was out of site.

i figured i would get a bite to eat and come back a little later and hope the blonde was working. on my way to eat, a 20 something slim curly brunette named adeline asked me for a cigarette. i gave her one and lit it for her. it was obvious that she was not a smoker since she would not inhale. she motioned for me to come down a side street and in very broken english and funny gestures with her tounge, offered a blow job for $100 euro. i gave her a couple of more smokes and said thanks but no thanks. she followed me up the block and offered her 40 euro, then agreed to 50 euro. she seemed to want to go into an alley around the corner. i said it was cold and told her i was staing at a comfort inn and asked if we could go there, she said "oui."

i told her i was starved and asked if i could buy her something to eat. we went to a fast food place next to moulin rouge and she gulped down her meal like she had not eaten in days. we then went to the hotel. her body was nice. i upped my offer to 100 euro if we could do full service. it was a long day and i needed a shower and she joined me. i was in heaven for the next 3 hours. she was good with her mouth. i tried to warn her, but she took it in her mouth then spit it out into a basket beside the bed. we cuddled for a bit and she asked me about boston.

i then went down on her. she was very neatly trimmed and i had cleaned her well in the shower. we then went on to a couple of nice sessions in multiple positions. i started to rub her back door and she said i could go in there as well. we did greek in doggie and reverse cg. i got in five pops (about all my 38 year old body could handle) and we took another shower.

i guess wass feeling generous and gave her another hundred and a bottle of wine i was going to take home. she stayed the night with me. we talked a bit more. she said she is a waitress and works time to time with an escort agency, but things were slow. she does not do the street thing that often. in the morning, i got in another couple of pops before i had to get ready to go to cdg to catch the flight home. i gave her my email address. we have written a few times. i even offered to fly her to boston for a week if she would like. she may visit later this spring.

i feel like i hit the jackpot. guess i am lucky the blonde was with another customer at sexadrome.

Eco,
If you're familiar with swing clubs in the U.S. you know that building rapport and comfort zone is very important and obviously very difficult without a common language, so of course this is a factor. In L'escapade this should be less of a problem as it's a bit more intimate and the proprietors speak English and will help you get into the "swing" (pun intended)

Update on the Paris SW scene.
Cruising this afternoon I found a nice young Chinese girl at Porte de Bagnolet.
In fact she was standing on the external boulevard chatting with another older Chinese girl.
This is the first time I have seen Chinese girls in this area.
I stopped and the older came to my car window. I said to I want your friend.
She said my friend not speaking French. I said no problem, how much for her?
30€ + 20€ for the hotel. It was fine with me.
We went to a hotel in Les Lilas (close the Mairie)
Very nice slim body, firm small breast, good CBJ and nice F…, almost GFE attitude.
Will go back for sure.
I saw also One young dark haired girl , looking Eastern European, between the Porte de Bagnolet and the Porte de Montreuil.
Denis

Another update on the Paris SW scene.
I was cruising again this afternoon and found some Chinese girls I never seen before close to The Porte Dorée.
I stopped and took in my car one mid 20 a bit on the chubby side.
Very poor French , she said she was in France only since 2 weeks.
We went to the hotel mentioned in earlier post in Les Lilas.
I had again a very good session, for 30€!!!
Dam! I love the Chinese girls! The service is so much better than the French or the Africans.
Denis

It would seem that Chateau Vincennes is a meeting place for SW. Anyone know more about this?

Afro
The Bois de Vincennes is an area where you can find a lot of activity specially with girls (mostly from Africa) working in minivan.
20€ CBJ, 30€ FS, the quality is not always there.
There are also some old white ladies as well and few North African ones. There is no more walking SW as 99% of the girls works from their minivan.
The most active roads are the one from the Chateau de Vincennes to the Park Floral and the road opposite to the Pyramide.
Bonne Chance and post reports
Denis

If the talk is about SWs outside the city centre, another hot tip is the Boulevards des Marechaux, the circular roads around the Paris Arondissements (just inside the circular freeway, the "Periferique"). Especially the northern parts have considerable action from early afternoon to late evening. True, following the Police's clampdown on illegal immigrants in prostitution it was reduced, but the trade is reconstituting itself. Drive a car between Porte de Clichy and Porte d'Aubervilliers in the early evening and see for yourself.

Another well known option is the Bois de Boulogne. The rumour has it there's only transsexuals and old hags in vans in that park, but this is not true. If you like it rough and cheep, drive down the Route de la Reine Marguerite in a southernly direction around the time of dusk. Yes, you'll see ladyboys, but what you won't see from the road is the action that takes place immediately south of the intersection with Avenue de Hippodrome. Stop your car within 200 metres of the intersection and walk into the forrest to your LEFT. Plenty of South American working girls offer BJs and standing FS in small cubicles in the forrest. The price is rock bottom and the girls are mostly willing to do "extras" for a tenner or so. On the negative side, the conditions are primitive and there's voyeurs galore. It's for thrill seekers, really.

I was recently in Paris for about a week and did have much luck at all. The only good thing about St. Denis is if you want to have a laugh or kill your sex drive and realize how good your significant other looks after all!

Tried Le Cheminee swing club but I must have been unlucky and hit the wrong time. Went late afternoon when it was open for guys, gave the receptionist my jacket and wallet which of course you can't get back until you pay when you leave. When down stairs and was a pretty pathetic sight, just a bunch of about 25 of the most most bored looking guys i've ever seen. All of siiting around waiting for the same thing which obviously wasn't going to happen. I immediately went back up and asked if i could just leave since i was only their about 2 minutes before realizing this was a mistake, but no luck, so decided to stick it out. But after two hours of complete boredom, (there was only one lady there the whole time and she was just talking with your bf at the bar). So just a warning that maybe the afternoon is not a good time to go, at least there!

Spent a lot of time cruising around at the various so called spots but couldn't find anything. Went to Pigalle, were some attractive looking women there but the not worth the price of admission as far as i was concerned. So instead i enjoyed my week eating good food and taking in the wonderful free concerts.

had much better time the following week in Brussels.

Once more... Stay the hell out of Pigalle (Pig Alley)/Blvd. deClichy area. All of it is nothing more than a long string of gaudy ripoff joints that make the thieves of Soho look like pikers.

An exception is unless you are going to the floor shows at the Moulin Rouge, of course.

I found a nice newbie from Romania this afternoon on the N19 before Brie Comte Robert. Coming from Paris she is working on the right side of the road just before a roundabout before Brie Comte Robert after a Total gas station.
Very nice and shy girl, 18, small tits, great body.
I negotiated 50€ for BJ and FS in a nearby hotel.
Absolutely great service very GFE, no rush, she arrived in France last week.
I will go back tomorrow!
Denis

Merlin,

I don't think I disagree with you, but let's be a bit more specific: it's the boulevard(s) between Place de Clichy and Place Pigalle that are postular with tourist traps. Rue Pigalle, rue Frochot and adjecent areas have bona fide places of entertainment, but they ARE quite expensive. As an avid traveller to SE Europe I cringe at the thought of paying 200-300 dollars for 1/2 hour of "entertainment", but I would have to make a similar reservation regarding the prices of escort services and clubs in London, New York and Tokyo.

Guys,
I do not know in which language we have to you that all the Pigalle area is to avoid.
It is purely a tourist trap.
The Japanese like this area and the bars has they do not mind paying 500€+ for a bottle of cheap Champagne and some kisses. But if you are looking for some real action go somewhere else!
You can find expensive and good looking girls near the place de l'Etoile or even better: call an escort service.
But again avoid the Pigalle area.
Denis

from my walks in the area, i found rue pigalle is amazingly short. it terminates northeast at the pigalle metro stop right across from the moulin rouge. place pigalle is loaded with touristv rraps. from the moulin rouge going west is the blvd. declichy. this is the long row of peep shows and ripoff joints stretching away to the west. one mistaken issue is that most people call declichy "pigalle" when it is not. it only starts at place pigalle.

There was a time, my experience the late 1960's, when Pigalle symbolized all that was right with mongering. On a typical evening, year round, at least 20-30 mostly attractive young women available for 100 ff including the room. No aids, most of the girls inspected weekly for STD's, and no demands for preservatifs. All you had to do was watch out for the odd pickpocket or con man (my 18 year old beautiful virgin sister needs some money.....).

Around 1970 it started getting more expensive and the tourist traps replaced the one on one street encounter. For me the action moved down to Les Halles, now replaced by a mall and the Pompidou center just below Rue St. Denis which, I agree, has become a no fun area due to a complete lack of quality.

If only I could invent a time machine

Well Senior, we no longer live in the 60's. In the new millenium only Germany seems to have high quality low cost sex in Western Europe. Central Europe, Czech Republic has good quality prostitutes. French speaking Canada has a lot of nice women too. I have traveled a lot and of industrialized countries, I would say Australia and Germany are the two best countries for pay 4 play. When you count the rest of the world, then Brazil and Argentina are among the best.

Has any one come across any beautiful french models in Paris?. I have heard there are some exclusive contacts or escorts agencies catering to the same.

Go straight past Paris to CDG and hop on a flight to Montreal, there you will find plenty of nice French models, and quite a good value considering the exchange rate of the Euro to the Canadian Dollar.

Thanks for the advice...will surely check them out when I am in Canada...they have some extra ordinary beauties there I guess. Until then will try and check out some local ones!.

I visited the swing club Le Pluriel back in December, but couldn't post a report until now on account of the delay in WSG membership approvals. Very frustrating. Anyway, here was my experience:

At the door, I was given a once-over by the manager. Asked if it was only a T-shirt I had on under my sweater (it was) in which case, to please keep the sweater on. 94 Euros entry, which includes one drink. You empty your pockets and put all valuables into your coat, which then gets checked. Ask for condoms at the bar, as the machine is broken.
Despite initial strict rules, everyone was very friendly and most speak at least a little English.

I felt under dressed, and dumb that I had to keep my sweater on. I had sexy clothes on, but they weren't swanky enough. This place is very sophisticated.. I strongly suggest arriving freshly showered, shaved, nails trimmed, in a button-down shirt, slacks, and dress shoes.

The decor is sensual and always tasteful, never vulgar. There is soft mood lighting everywhere so no one looks too bad; beds/couches/cushions with throw pillows on every floor; round stone tables which have a small hole in the middle, which is the disposal for used condoms, cigarettes, etc. Very well thought-out.

The bathrooms have cloth towels, not paper.

The discreet staff is always in the background, cleaning up condom wrappers, putting out fresh towels, clearing drink glasses, etc. The music is a bit cheesy - 70's and 80's disco and soft rock.

On the first floor (entry) is where you check in, get your drink, and chill before heading downstairs. Here it is well lit, like a regular bar. There are bathrooms past the bar to use.
Heading down one level brings you to a couple of nooks of the aforementioned beds/couches. Down another level, and there are more of these nooks, plus the shower/bathroom area. Again, very clean and well done - lots of bath products at your disposal. Down the final level brings you to the disco with a dance floor, and typical cheesy lighting. There is another bar down here, as well as more nooks for action.

It seems that 90% of the people there are regulars, between 30 and 70 years old, with varying degrees of attractiveness. Apparently Saturday nights tend to attract more of the single guys from the Internet, and Fridays and Sundays are almost all regulars. Not sure about the rest of the week. Between 15 - 80 people are there on a given night. Mostly long-term couples, with guys like us mixed in. They open at 7pm, have some kind of meal around 8 or 9, and don't let anyone in after 1. But if you're already in, they keep going until 4 or so.

I was very lucky the night I attended. While up at the bar trying to figure things out, I got to chatting with a regular. We were having a nice conversation about music, when his wife (who was at the bar hanging with friends) came over to flirt with me. She was stunning - based on what they said later, she must have been at least 45 yrs old. But it was only evident in her face, her body was fantastic - lithe legs and torso, cute little breasts, gorgeous long golden hair, and she was wearing a super sexy outfit that was very racy yet also sophisticated. She took a liking to me and arm in arm, she gave me a tour of the club.

As we would pass one of the nooks and crannies, couples or threesomes or foursomes would be going at it. A bit disconcerting if you're not used to it, and again the various body types means it's not a porno. But I found it thrilling. She introduced me to one nude couple (friends of hers) lying in their after-glow before we made our way to the disco. I attempted to dance as she gyrated all around me, getting me worked up. Her husband also danced with us for a while.

After a couple of cigarette breaks (during which some deep kissing and heavy petting was happening) she took my hand and led me up one level to one of the bed nooks. She laid a towel down, we undressed, and began making out and getting each other hot. After a brief BBBJ, she rolled a condom on me and laid down on her back, inviting me in. After we'd been fucking for a while (during which time I sensed a small crowd gathering around to watch, such a unique sensation), her husband came round and stood in front of her to suck him as I fucked her from behind. She got really into it - lots of screaming and moaning and cumming. Not sure if hubby got off - after sucking on her breasts while I continued to fuck her, he wandered off (to fuck 2 other women, I learned later). Up to this point, she hadn't spoken a word of English, and I don't speak French. After this great fuck with both of us cumming, we're lying in each other's arms feeling on top of the world and she says, "What was your name again?"

After a cigarette break, we got horny again and did it all over. The third time she laid me down, lubed up her finger and pumped it in my ass as she gave me an energetic blow job (with condom, unfortunately). During this time there was a threesome laying right next to us going at it.

After one more fuck, hubby came round to inquire whether we would like a coffee break. [Mind you, they had been there since 7pm, and it was getting on 4am]. She announced that we should have a shower, then retire upstairs to the bar for a respite. At least, that was the jist of it - I couldn't understand a word she said!

So we had a shower (individually - they're a bit small for two), got dressed, and came up to the bar. By this point the entire downstairs was empty; there were just a few couples left and myself, hanging out at the bar. The three of us had a nice conversation about a variety of subjects before I said my goodbyes and left.

I was thinking how on the one hand, this was such an out of this world experience, yet on the other hand, how completely natural and honest it felt. The couple I met have been married for 26 years. They have a strong love for each other and are confident and secure enough in themselves and their relationship to be able to fuck others for pleasure, and not get hung up about it. Something puritanical Americans could do well to learn.

Good evening.

Mr. Reilly here, I was in Paris a couple of weeks ago and I did enjoy my visit very much, much better that the previous visit. The weather was warm but not styfling and there was not to many tourists around.

I was in one of the swinging clubs during my first evening in Paris and paid about 60 euro to enter, I waited to see what and I managed to score with an attractive French lady in her late 40's, the only bugbear was the room we was too small and too hot, but apart from that I was pleased with my night.

The next evening I tried to enter another swinging club in the Pigalle, I asked the doorman in slow but reasonable French if it was possible for me to enter, but he informed in French that it was couple and groups only that evening, however considering the previous nights success, I was not to bothered by the refusal and accepted with fair grace, it is pointless making a scene about it.

Overall in general I get the impression that that attitudes towards sex and prostitution in France and mainland Europe are less prissy and puritanical compared to Britain and Ireland.

My conclusion is Paris is great place to visit, it is not overly expensive compared to Ireland and if you make an effort to speak some French, the better, however I think Amsterdam is a better bet for seeking the ladies and least I will not feel uncomfortable when speaking English in Amsterdam.

That's all for fellow romeos.

Mr. Reilly

Floyd - great report on Pluriel - You're right it is one of the more tight clubs regarding dress, but as a rule of thumb when going to a club whether you keep your clothing on or not, especially in So. Europe, dress nice - including underwear... You're making a first impression based on which you want people to be willing to let you in to their emotional well- being and share body fluids.

One thing that I didn't understand - she didn't speak English and you didn't speak French, yet she flirted with you and "took a liking". Did you grunt at each other? LOL

Gentlemen,

I was wondering if normal French women are nice looking and open to romance with foreign men?

I ask because it seems like the 'non-pro' opportunities you find in places like South America or Eastern Europe is not so common in France.

How are the women there and are they unapproachable like many American women?

I am an Asian man and I have heard that maybe some French men like the oriental look.

Thank you

Hi there,

I stay in hotel Concorde La Fayette for 2 nights next week.

Kind request for folowing info:

- are the girls at the bar? (price?)
- is it possible to take outside girl up without question
- area is near place de l'etoile. any suggestion?

P.S. I speak fluent French.

Had the following experience this week while staying at the Hotel Galileo on Rue Galilie just off the Champs Elysees.

Was drinking at the English Pub at about 12 AM when a hot young thing asked me if I would like to spend some time with her. She was using an acquaintance as translator. She offered FS and BJ for 40Euro. I was with business partners and was uncomfortable but offered tohave her meet me at the hotel a half hour later. She agreed but never showed. Might be because the hotel has a security guard at night.

Playboy Moves To Paris

Moving from Eastern Europe where I have been shooting porn for 6 years to Paris, just want to just do the Paris thing for a couple of Months. I speak basic French.

There on Tuesday, planning on shooting, painting, cafes, chasing models and arty girls, from May 1 to June 30th. Any fellow playboys want to hook up PM me.

Planning on paying 2500USD for a nice apartment in the heart of the action, would love to get a 100m2 that would cost twice that, but could only justify it if sharing with a fellow serious Playboy. Any out there?

Always felt that Paris scene its all about, the good life, real girls, swinging, etc, not quality mongering. I have done the Thailand, Cambodia, Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Czech Republic, Romania and Hungary thing.

Will be hedging my bet by bringing in a hot porn model or 2 from CZ and HU every second week to shoot and play with myself. Happy is a man that can make a living from his hobby.

Any info on apartments in Paris would also be appreciated.

Cheers,

MaxC

If underarm hair and body odor turns you on, Paris will be just fine. You're honestly in the wrong place for quality pussy. A location 12,000 miles Southeast of Paris, called Sydney, NSW, Australia, offers better women and cool drinks, palm trees, and crystal blue waters.

Re: Paris

First contribution for a long long time. I live in Paris and I’d like to help my brothers in fun, in case they would be stucked here.

As an introduction, be aware that Paris and France are the worst places across Europe to exercise our favorite hobby. No casitas, no pick-up joints. Thermas and saunas are part of ‘gay’ paris. Just a couple of boring asian massage ‘parlours’ (maximum of 2 or 3 girls, for the ones who can’t give themeselves a hand job I suppose) across 9th district (rue Rochechouart hosts a handfull of them). Street walkers are rare and ugly when downtown. The once good and pricey club Le Baron has been closed thanks to Chirac’ government. Pale copies of american lap dancings are opening around les Champs Elysees… Run away anywhere else if not too late!

Yes, Pigalle is a complete rip-off, as often explained here. Rue Saint Denis and smaller stinking dead-ends around like rue Blondel, are interesting from a anthropologic point of view, as well as for 60+ fans (broad range of the like). Don’t expect any beauty, but fat northern african and african tired *****s, tricky dirty stairs and wild but not really dangerous atmosphere. CBJ only, 10 minutes session, 30 to 50 €. Bois de Boulogne is dedicated to tv’s. Bois de Vincennes offers good options of razor fighting against gipsies.

There are therefore very few options across :

The ‘boulevards des maréchaux’. If you’ve got a car (preferable) the girl jumps in and leads you to an underground parking in the vicinity. If you don’t, you may use a ‘sanisette’ – public loo which will cost you a coin or two, places is clean and depressive. Few of the girls will know any open-minded hotel. Best practice between Porte Maillot and Porte de Saint-Ouen, further north the girls ( ?) are usually addicts, sometimes agressive. 30 euros for quick CBJ and/or fuck in the car. Lots of bulgarian, moldavian and the like, sponsored by tough pimps. A couple of pretty girls, but place is definitely not for rookies or naives. Don’t come here with valuables. Beware as well to numerous police controls... and good luck!

They are better lays to be found in the triangle made of the Place du General Cartroux, Porte des Ternes and Porte de Champerret, all 17th district. From 10 :00 pm (later during June’s long days), watch the discreet girls along the avenue de Villiers, avenue de Wagram, boulevard Malesherbes, place Wagram. It’s a chic quiet area. 20/30 girls may work around midnight in the area, try to go to an hotel if you want some proper service – 150/200 € for the girl, plus the hotel room c. 25 €. Best experiences so far (March): two bulgarian-ish, one blonde and one brunette, waiting for clients down a telephone cabine avenue de villiers close to place du general Cartroux, 400 € for the both of them, good experience, broken english.

Try to find this discreet bar-club rue Dauphine (Saint Germain des Prés) where some very sexy black girls may be ready for an encounter. Come late (nothing happens before 1 :00pm). 300 € is a commun gift to the girl, 200 € if you become regular.

Buy the nasty magazine ‘La Vie Parisienne’ in any kiosk, forget the ‘love-calls’ numbers starting by 08 and you’ll find numerous telephone numbers of escorts / massage girls, most of them may speak English-ish. Best option by far… and usual cat-in-a-bag experience.

That’s all folks. Be wise: don’t come here for anything more than watching museums and looking intellectual! I’d give a lot to be at 65’ in Rio this very right minute J

Rio Nut,

I think French women are open to a relationship with foreigners. However, not just some slob. When I went to the clubs and girls found out I was American surprisingly they didn't have this anti-American sentiment. Some of the younger, more educated girls can speak some English. I hooked up with a non-pro from Hungary that spoke fluent French and English. The most important thing is you are well groomed and you look good. Wear good clothes and don't look like a slob. Speak intelligently. Several asked what I thought about the War in Iraq. Probably not wise to say you're a big Bush supporter if you're trying to pick up that girl. Generally I'd say if you have some "game" for picking up girls in the USA you can pick up girls there if you're there for any decent time frame. It in NO WAY can compare to picking up girls in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Peru or other countries I've been to in South America. South America is full of 3rd world countries. France isn't one of them.


I'm returning back to Paris next week after I hit Amsterdam and before I hit Prague. I probably won't hobby there since I'll get action in Amsterdam and Prague but you never know with me. I love Paris! Great restaurants and great clubs. I'm staying at the Le Meridien Etoile if anyone lives in Paris maybe we can hook up for some chow. Later.

Saint

[b]Sex and Politics[/b]

Picking up on Saint's post, let me point out that from personal experience it is not a good idea to mix politics into a pussy-hunting expedition. I used to drill a girl from St. Petersburg who was one of the finest pieces of ass ever - she was outstanding in every way (in the sack!).

We did discuss politics on occasion, and these talks helped poison the relationship and even the sex.

If some broad asks your opinion about Iraq, President Bush, abortion, et cetera, just say "I'm not really interested in politics." Because chances are 50% that you'll give the wrong answer to her question.

-Uncle Otto

If you like women who don't shave their underarms, and smell like pigs, and on top of it behave like they are superior to you France is an excellent country for sex.

In France if you have anything at all to say about Bush or politics you will be mucho more safer to use the term; "Boosh Foo Lane' !" Roughly translated it means Bush is a crazy *******.

I have used it on some of the Madelaine girls and they thought it was hilarious. They seem to warm up once they think you aren't really a flag waving raving Merkin.

While that may be true with a majority of Frenchwomen, Merlin, in other countries in Europe, you will find a much warmer overall attitude toward the U.S., and a girl is more likely to lose respect for you if you bad mouth America and its President.

Hungary comes to mind in this respect, as does Slovakia, Poland, and the Baltics.

Not to mention that individual people will certainly have opinions contrary to the sterotype of their country's beliefs. I know plenty of Frenchmen who despise their government's anti-Americanism. On the other hand, I am sure there are Hungarians who might enjoy sitting like a quiet child and shining Jacques Chirac's boots.

All this leads me back to the conclusion I gave in my previous post: talking about politics while involved in the hunt for sex is a bad idea. You are guaranteed that you are not going to get yourself into trouble by saying "I'm not interested in politics, dear, but I LOVE the way you shake your ass!"

-Uncle Otto

Yes Otto, you are 100% correct as usual. My only real political issue is that of the quest of really good pussy.

Otto,
By the way, Mr.Bush said he will destroy the mass destruction weapons? I forgot which country he was referring to??
I.....taly?, no!
I....ndonesia, no!
I...rak!! yes (so many MDW have been found there!)
As a French man, I can confirm that mixing pussy hunting and politic is not the most recommended attitute.
Americans are welcome in France but only if keep their flag home.
Denis

l don,t know why some us citizens like to go to france ? what the heck is there?

Denis,

And I might add also that Frenchmen are certainly welcome in America, so long as they tell people that they are really from Belgium or Switzerland. Otherwise the welcome may not be too warm. French people are not too popular here anymore. Hopefully this will change when France's government stops being so openly anti-American.

If an American girl asks you about your political views, the best answer is:

"I'm really not interested in politics."

Of course, the odds are that an insult against Jacques Chirac would be well-received too. But again, there is a small risk that the girl might be different from her countrywomen and really like France. So best to avoid politics altogether, I think.

-Uncle Otto

Funny that one small comment would bring about so many posts. Ha, ha. I agree with Otto. I never discuss politics or other controversial issues with girls. Just doesn't mix. One guy asked why US citizens would visit France. France is such a beautiful country that everyone really should experience. It's great to go to obscure places in the thrill of the hottest girls but it's also good to go to beautiful places around the world. France is definitely one of them. Good luck.

DogDays,

In response to your question I'd say that American (and Japanese) people are probably the only tourists in the world who can throw themselves into the better parts of the Parisian sex scene without suffering a bad shock: the prices are fully comparable with those quoted in Tokyo and New York. On the whole, visiting Paris for mongering purposes would be an act of masochism.

That said, there are other reasons to come (for the record: I'm not French, but live in Paris). Do you like beautiful architecture? Or good food? Or the arts? Or... perhaps top class wine and liquor? Well, all that is unparalleled in this country.

Whether or not the Iraq war has permanently dented the relationship between the two countries I do not want to discuss on this forum. Still, considering that north Europeans (like me) and Americans (like you) are generally better endowed than most French men, one could argue that we wield the most prominent weapons of ass destruction in the region...

Leaving aside the purile jokes, there COULD be something more fundamental to Dennis's point about "leaving the flag at home". Last night my wife and I had dinner in a fancy restaurant (an "in place" in the fifth Arrondissement) together with about 60 other people in evening suits plus... three American tourists wearing trainers and jeans. All sixtytwo of us drank wines that we picked from their (excellent!) 12 pages-long wine card. The three Americans drank Coca Cola and iced water! France is - believe it or not - a free country, and you're free to dress as you please and eat and drink what you want, but I bet you there was not one single person in that restaurant who didn't feel these people were making complete fools of themselves. Well, when in Rome do like the Romans.

Why are we talking about politics?

I would like to fuck as many white French women as possible (I am not interested in Arab French). In fact, I would like to empregnate one.

But this seems to be a losing proposition no?

This is too bad, since I find French women very beautiful and sexy.

Maybe I will go this summer and see if I can get lucky. After all, even in sophisticated France, there must be beautiful sluts.

Funny to see how easely delicious fellows like most of you guys can become agressive and belliquous when in/talking about Paris. I suspect this tension is due to the obvious lack of good mongering options, no?

Take a break and go to some Spanish or Czeck brothel, try Vienna, A'Dam… wherever, it's easy and safe to travel across Europe - you'll be back with a better spirit and a smile on your face.

Cheers

Was sleeping at Hotel Concaorde La Fayette lest week (nearby Porte Maillot).

1. Went for evening-walk walk on Avenue de Villiers, avenue de Wagram, saw nothing. Came back over Etoile, and streets around, no SW (only one overages 60€), only some expensive clubs.

2. Went night after to Bois de Boulogne. Only tv.

Came back around midnight. Found some black girls walking other side of hotel (Congress Hall). I was not interested. Untill I saw very nice lady (Marrokan). Took her up w/o problem to room. FS 150€.

FYI after 11pm you can access hotel-elevator directly without passing hotel entrance from the Congress Hall by using your room-pass to open the door.

Been living in France a week now, first off a few personal facts, I am a average looking Canadian WASP (34) that dresses well, has a little style and speaks basic French. Have lived and worked in 20 counties in the last 10 years. I have never been in a city were it is easier to pick up REAL women, for quality Unpaid real SEX in my life.

The main trick seems to be simply to appear as an enlightened American, one that loves all things French including good food, intelligent conversation, fashion and the art of seduction.

My opinion is that the reason why the pay4play options in Paris at as limited as they are, is that there is not the same level of demand for these types of services. Dare I say it but I suspect most French men have pretty much exactly as much sex as they want, especially when compared to the men from my rather puritanical American continent

Young French have sex in school bathrooms, while North American schools are trying to decide if giving access to condoms is a bad idea, promote medieval ideas on abstinence as realistic way of solving calming young peoples sexual desires, while all the time trying to make sex into a dirty thing to even talk about.

Horny is Healthy!

My Personel Observations about French women:


1)The best pick up line in the world is soft: Hello my name is____. The fact that you’re not French makes it even better.

2)The best conversation start is done like this, you notice an item, shoes, jewelry, or a scarf on her, you comment how you would love to get something like that for your sister (having a sister is not mandatory). Ask her about it. Remember no matter how strange a item of clothing may be to you, for her it is a sincere expression of herself and she will want to talk about it.

3)Never discuss sex with a French woman directly; your mission should be to develop the trust she needs to feel safe to come back to your place. If she accepts, she know what she is accepting.

4)Be current read the newspaper everyday, you can and should discuss anything, but sex, but not get into a any serious difference of opinon (Iraq, Bush whatever) no matter what your hardened beliefs are, remember you a man and want what is between her legs not what is between her ears. Although it must always appear the reverse to her of course.

5)France is the center of the fashion world, you must dress accordly. You do not go to basketball game dressed in hockey gear. And then be surprised people think you odd.

6)Own a least one pair of 300$ shoes, believe me women, especially French women know.

7)Smile at the rudeness of French waiters; warmly be amused by how long service can take. Cést le vie. Never appear anything but completely relaxed.

8)Always have a Bottle of good Champaign and a box of chocolates back at your place. It is always the last card to play, if nothing else works to get her back to your place. It’s a small thing but has already been the deal sealer twice for me, when I though I was going down in flames.

If you insist on acting as total tourist, that solo guy on vacation thing, and just want pay4Play, honestly skip Paris go straight to Prague (my favorite pay4play place)

Any tips or things you have noticed about how to seduce French women would be dutifully studied

MaxC

My Street in Paris>

Terrific report Max!

I especially loved your comment that (deserves bolding)

[b]You are a man! You want what is between her legs, not what is between her ears. Although it must always appear the reverse to her, of course.[/b]

A crown jewel of masculine thought, right there! :D

-Uncle Otto

Mad Max:

Street of the Bad/Mean Males, what an appropriate appelation for the street you are living in, although I don't view mongering as being bad.

Nice report on French women. Your point of view is certainly enlightening and I second the notion that French women aren't prude, having experienced some of them while as a college student during a trip abroad while on semester break.

Max candy,
This is pleasure to see that there are still Gentlemen in this world.
I know now from this board two!
Saint and You
Have fun in the most beautifull city of the world!
Denis

Max Candy,
You seem to have it down to a science. I agree that Gay Paree is one of the worst major cities in Europe for paying mongerers. Could you recommend good pickup places where you find the women to use these lines on? I'm in Paris this week and want to run my own lab experiment.

Well Isseu,

I disagree with you somewhat, Ireland is the worst place in Europe for scoring. Rigid
Catholicism, rip-off prices, not to mention the hazards of the Gardai (Irish police).

Paris(France) is far from perfect and yes I imagine is not as good as the Netherlands & Germany, but it is far better than Ireland for scoring anyday, anyway Paris is a beautiful city with attractive scenery and some attractive women, so all the begrudgers should quit complaining.

One last note, stop talking about politics! This site is about healthy guys like me and you seeking and scoring with ladies.

That's all for now.

Mr.R.

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Any Cafe in Paris any time is the best time and place, honestly!

A few more thoughts.

Just do not be shy.

If your practicing these techniques try them first with 3-6s, they have had the moves put on them less and want to hear them more, once your smooth, move up the food chain.

Always be every polite, calm and relaxed. As I side note, one of the many reasons I like pay4play, is as a sexual tension outlet, in other words, if you got your Brains fucked out the night before, the next day, you have a sort of calm that women can feel. If she offers no response on the “where she found her loving item”, that is –1 point. But not give up, quite yet, just withdraw for a time.


Plan B, Ignore her completely (unless of course she engages you) for about 20-30 minutes, if there is another girl around that you fancy flirt with her, women are quietly competitive, so this will only help your chances, if she is still there, she may be having second thoughts. Explain that your in Paris for x number of days (1 is too short, 4 is ideal, but depends on type) ask her how she would spend that time in Paris, museums, restaurants, yadda, yadda, yadda. Still get cold shoulder. –2 points.

Plan C,
This is hardest one to outline as you have to apply a your intuition, something us men do not use as much as we should.

-Maybe you are simply not her type and it is time for you to leave with class, Game Over. Try again.

-Maybe she is really shy or insecure, many women are (its their little secret, they do not was us to know), she may not realize you were trying to pick her up, tell her you think she is attractive and would like to spend time with her. Yes do it, No, Game Over.

-Maybe, she is too secure, hates men that are too nice, use a small insult, (please be very very careful here gentleman, what is small to man could be huge to a women), something like, there is something in your hair. Perhapos she has spilled a bit of wine, offer to get some soda water. Or she has dog treasure on her shoe. If she falls into defense posture, there is still a chance. Help her; say it happens to all of us and more forward. If she warms up the game is on, she cools off. Game Over –3 points

I just love the classy and beautiful french babes...and they are friendly...if you can talk your way into their heart and get in between their sexy long legs!!....not giving up is the key point.
I guess they wanna be with guys who try hard and could be winners....happy hunting.

Max, just curious but you can you "parle vous francais"? Language is a major part of courting a Frenchwoman in addition to the champagne and expensive chocolate. Unfortunately I do not speak much French but my Spanish is decent, maybe a trip to Costa Del Sol is in order.

Hi everyone,

I have stuied this place for a while and still looking for more information. I will be living in Bastille area. Is there any good nearby spots for picking up girls to the hotel? It's my first time to Paris.

Thanks for any infomation.

MW

my french is very basic, i find more women speak english here than eastern europe, my former home.

The french babes also have a very cute english accent!! have you heard them in bed...mind blowing oui!!

I have heard that Cap D Agde in the south is a great place to meet women. They're all nude over there and very exhibitionist.

Max to add to your advice about French women, I find that exocitism works well with many Parisians. An exotic looking guy who presents himself will be able to sleep with a lot of women.

Hi,

As a Frenchman, it is always amazing to read what you all foreign womanizers write about French women. Although I do not share your excitement about their accent, I quite understand how deliciously exotic (not to say erotic) they may sound or look to you (it is the same for me with Italian or Scandinavian women).

My contribution to this particular forum will be limited as I do have much information about Paris. I am not a Parisian myself, and only go there a few times a year. For those of you who can read French (and I don't think mentioning this will cause my message to be deleted), there is a French forum site dedicated to escorting : www.escortfr.net, where you'll find lots of useful tips.

My best bet when I go to Paris is the swingers'clubs, even in the middle of the afternoon. Try Chris & Manu (41, rue de la rochefoucault, 75009 Paris) or Le Prélude (1, rue richelieu, close to The Louvre Museum), and you're likely not to be disappointed. If nothing happens, well, that's €30 lost, but if something happens, you'll never believe your luck. I have just given two addresses, but about half a dozen such clubs are open to single men in the afternoons (let alone in the evenings, but prices may rocket then).

Enjoy Paris.

Please submit some info on Cap d Agle.

Thank you

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Just got back from another trip to Paris. I didn't hobby there (although I spent my time with a non-pro girl that I met my last trip). You Frenchies are truly lucky to live in Paris. I really love Paris. It's just so damn expensive there to live well.

Damn what a world class city!

It was nice meeting you Max Candy.

Hi,

I'll be in this lovely city this summer and have a few questions. Do many people speak spanish there? I'm studying spanish, would like to learn some french before I go but reality will probably prevent that. I'm just curious if spanish is very common here. Also, do any of you know of any great salsa clubs in Paris? There must be some.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regarding politics and the French.

I just returned from 5 days in Paris, and had a great experience. I was having dinner one evening and the Frenchman dining next to me outright said he likes Americans, and that he understands that everyone is different, and that American Politics does not represent the views of all Americans. I had a great dinner.

Then, riding the subway one day, a North African Frenchman offered me his seat. He was quite gracious about it, and he offered several times, though I politely declined. I am ethnically Chinese (4th generation) born in America. He then started guessing where I am from - Japan? China? Korea? Thailand? I told him "no, I am American", and his attitude completely changed for the worse and called me a "fucking American" (I assume refering to Bush/Iraq/et al). The white Frenchman sitting next to him concurred. I did not respond to him and just left when I reached my station.

I don't really understand where this "French atttitude" comes from, but quite frankly it is totally misdirected. Which is too bad because I otherwise really like Paris. Especially the food, all the museums and architecture, but the attitude is really a waste of time. No wonder France has seen a massive drop in Tourists from the United States.

I still plan to return despite this small incident.

Just my two cents.

Mock a bee
Do not worry , a minority of French do not like American, it is probably the same minority who do not like Arabs either.
As I said in earlier posts, as long as you leave your flag a home and you do not drink Coke with Foie Gras , you are OK.
Have fun in Paris
Denis

Mock a bee;
Again the issue of poliltics in France. I find the best way to get along there is to say I'm from Mexico; I speak Tex-Mex Spanish. or Canada, British Columbia.

If you are confronted there as an "Americain," just say "Bush est Foo." It roughly means "Bush is crazy." Or "Bush est mearde." i.e., Bush is shit. That should bring smiles to even the crappiest Merkin hater.

Mojokpr, Spanish is pretty common in France as half of France's land border is by Spain.

Moreover, just act a gentleman whenever you are in France or the EU and you will get by well with little hassle.

Merlin,

Great post! and major LOL!!!

Mock

That North African French gentleman must have his brain screwed up in some former French colonial education. Whatever America does at least 40% doesn't agree according to the polls. It's nuts to hate American as a whole.

France I think has the most anti-immigration policies. Somehow you cannot get citizenship no matter how long you stay (?). Anti-immigration party is doing very well there compared to rest of Europe. These guys just don't have the chance to understand America. In some states even illegal immigrants have free education for their kids, and almost have driving licenses.

As for mutual understanding, everyone takes something for granted while others find very strange. Many ethnic Americans, Chinese, Hispanic, say I'm Chinese (or whatever) (x th generation). Come on man, never come across a white man or black man saying that. Who's counting? Who cares? Do you feel superior to a 3rd generation? Inferior to a 5th generation? Do some soul searching and perhaps we all can understand how the probably Algerian French gentleman screwed up that bad. Not that I mean x th generation is a bad thing, but why?

T&H

May I try to steer this forum away from politics, back to chasing skirts in Paris and getting laid.

The last few days have been sunny and warm here, and the skirts are getting shorter, my god, your god, thank god!

I have been hanging out in cafés in the bastle area yesterday, could not get up for the rocket in my pants.

Where is your favoute girl watching spot in paris?

Max,

Cool down, spring is just starting.

Why don't you sit at a café on place St Michel, or one in rue du Faubourg Saint Honoré, or on the Champs Elysées?

Eye the cheese, and have a nice time!

When a discussion degrades into politics, then you know for sure the place being discussed is a terrible place for pussy.

There are so many beautiful girls in Paris. You can see them everywhere.

If you want to see tourist girls, Champs-Elysees is the place. At 11:30 PM, many girls look for places to party. These girls are open to meet foreign guys and speak English. There are many bars on the side streets. You can stump up some good looking models sometime.

A good time for girl watching is around 7:30PM to 9PM. This is the time to meet friends for dinners. You can see them standing on street or in front of movie theaters.

A few years ago, there was a great party on every Wednesday night at Queen, the big gay club on Champs-Elysees. I think that it was straight night or something. Ton of hot girls on Wednesday night. A great place to pick up regular girls. Not sure if this party is still existing.

There are cities better than Paris for women with friendlier women. I like the women in Montreal more than those in Paris. Paris has a more touristy old world look but Montreal has a lot of genuinely sexy women. My point, hook up with a woman from Montreal and then take her to Paris for a few days.

I am awestruck by the beautiful ladies I see in Paris. First time in, I remember just getting off the RyanAir shuttle bus by Porte Maillot and I espied a stunner wiggling her way up Champs Elysees. Long black hair and black skin tight leather pants. I was already salivating like crazy and hadn't been in Paris ten minutes.

On the Metro to my hotel, I kept hitting on a beautiful blonde lady (I swear she looked like a young Catherine Daneuve) dressed in the standard tan trench coat so popular with ladies in Paris. She spoke very excellent English, but was somewhat aloof. I was really sad she was not a Working Girl. A couple of hours later, I am unwinding and watching TV in my room and I'll be damned if she isn't on the telly doing the bleedin the 6:00 news. God! She was a knockout!

I later sit outside my hotel (by St.Malesherbes church , close to Place de Madeleine) in the corner bistro and I find all kinds of ladies working the street. A lot were students. All were well dessed and no skanks in the lot. I had good mongering all that week. I now stay at a another hotel in the east end at Nueilly Plaissance, but I still ride the tube over to Madeleine when I want to go a pussy huntin'.

Paris ladies will treat you right as long you are a gentleman and show respect, no matter where you come from.

Good for you Merlin, I usually put a noseclip on when I am in Paris because a lot of the working ladies smell like that stinky French cheese, either they don't bath or they wipe their ass with their tits. They also got some serious garlic breath too.

cbcg
It seems reading your reports, the only thing you are able to do is criticizing..
I searched and I have not found one constructive report from you.
You must be blind or extremely bad looking and smelling your self really bad not to be able to find good looking girls in Paris
I feel sad for you
Denis

Do not think anyone should be getting too personnel.

I believe if you do not like a place, it just means you’re just out of sync with it.

Two Examples,

Thailand

I spent 2 years in Thailand and Cambodia and truly loved it, the beautiful submissive women, that make you feel like a god, the friendliness, the relaxed life and simplicity of it all.

Now, I often I think of it as a land of women with no tits, that cannot speak their mind, if they had anything to say in the first place, that only want your money no matter how well they hide that fact, a place that is not of my history or my culture.

The truth is really both. But I prefer to remember it as mainly the first.

Paris

I used to think of Paris as uptight, pretentious, expensive and full of snobs.

It is expensive!

But also contains more beautiful and classy women per capita than any place in the world. I would like to note I am a professional photographer/traveler and know of what I speak. It is true that if you go east (thinking Prague, Budapest, St Peter, Kiev), you will find more raw beauty, but class, well let me put it this way, the same sex/money thing that makes it good for even the worst slobs to get good pay4play, rules out truly mind blowing consensual sex. Please do not get me wrong, I love good pay4play too!

Paris women have their own very special set of rules. If you do not learn and play by them your out, but if you do play by their rules, doors and more importantly legs open that you would have never believed.

Viva la France

Uh whatever, Paris is no Barcelona. I am very well traveled myself, I have been everywhere, and in Western Europe, Barcelona has the best looking "classy" women not Paris. I have spent my teenage years in Paris and I never found it to be such a great city for women. Personally I like Sydney, Australia more as it is far less pretentious.

There are many "classy" beautiful women in places like Hong Kong, Tokyo, Rio De Janeiro, Istanbul, and Buenos Aires. You don't have to be white to be classy. In fact almost all the classy women I have found aren't caucasian.

I'll even attest that the most attractive women in France are rarely French but come from minority groups.

Max Candy, CBGBConnisur,

Both get a grip. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Personal choice is personal choice, all forms of grading, be it chicas or equities, are personal. One mans Paris is another mans London etc…

As you are both well travelled, move on and offer some more chica reports…

Regards,

Havanaman

CBGB,

Stinky French cheese! ;)

I love to eat it. The stinkier the better! :)

But when a woman smells like cheese, I run the other way! :D

All in all, I think the received wisdom is that Paris is a bad place for pay for play sex. As for picking up amateur girls, most big cities are good places for this. The anonymity of living in the urban jungle makes is so much easier to let one's inhibitions go.

And I've been to Paris some years ago and have picked up a beautiful amateur girl. Strangely enough, CBGB, she WAS from a minority group, and wasn't native French. But she had an great ass, as hard as stone..........

-Uncle Otto

Denis,

Speaking of constructive reports, one of the things I've noticed is that a lot of the Russian/Ukrainian internet agencies seem to send their girls on "tours" of Western Europe, almost always including Paris on their trips. Do you have any experience with these agencies and girls? If so, what are your impressions?

-Uncle Otto

[quote]Originally posted by MerlinMagician

On the Metro to my hotel, I kept hitting on a beautiful blonde lady (I swear she looked like a young Catherine Daneuve) dressed in the standard tan trench coat so popular with ladies in Paris. She spoke very excellent English, but was somewhat aloof. I was really sad she was not a Working Girl. A couple of hours later, I am unwinding and watching TV in my room and I'll be damned if she isn't on the telly doing the bleedin the 6:00 news. God! She was a knockout!
[/quote]

More importantly, Merlin, how was she in bed? You left out the most important detail! ;)

-Uncle Otto

Paris ladies are most unlike their ancestors in the trade. Believe it or not, French women now do shave their legs and armpits for the most part. Overall hygeine has gone more toward Western standards. I have had about 30 or so Pairisennes and I have never had the bad hygeine problem with any of them.

The ones you now smell and see as "hairy" are most likely not Parisiennes, but more likely those of the Romany gypsy type from points east like Romania and other baltic regions. Now, them gals will knock you on your ass with just a light whiff of their "goodies."

Uncle Otto, sadly I didn't get to sample her "charms." Like I say, she was a TV newslady, not a Working Girl. I had blue balls over her for couple of hours until I went out onto the Madeleine area. Besides I prefer to pay for it, and avoid all the bullshit of wining and dining and whining, etc...

What about action in Picardie? Cheap action, not escort service prices.

What about swinger clubs in this area that accept single guys?

What about the same questions in Paris.

Please I don't know French, so i'd appriciate name of places, streets or areas and how to find them.

Mentioning the cost will be great. Thank you.

Re: Tallnhandsome,

French politics or not, politics is usually a bad topic for conversation, no doubt.

Though, regarding which generation I am when I refered to the fact that I am 4th generation, uhhh...no, don't feel superior. Where did you get that?

I currently live in Beijing, China and as a matter of habit, I sometimes let my local Chinese friends know that I am 4th generation Chinese American. The reason being is that a lot of people in Beijing can't understand why I don't speak fluent Mandarin (among other things!). When I mention that I am 4th generation American, they start to see the light.

It is sometimes the case that my local Beijing friends can not figure out if I am an American/Foreigner or Chinese. They are confused.

I am just trying to explain that I am an American Citizen who is ethnically Chinese. I guess to a Frenchmen, if you say you are American, it doesn't matter.

Mock

Now I understand more, a sort of social short cut to introduce yourself. That's why seldom heard that from say blacks. They are taken as an integral part of USA by everyone. And new immigrants are relatively rare, as compared to Asians and Hispanics.

T&H

Cruised this afternoon in the 12th district as usual.
I have not seen much action but found one Chinese mid-30 at the Porte Dorée, not too bad. She was asking 40€ for FS but I was in the mood for only a BJ, so offered 20€ for CBJ in a near underground parking, BJ was ok and she did not mind a good fingering of her pussy.

Otto,
I have no experience with any agency in Paris , the only East European girls I know are the ones working along the Boulevard des Marechaux.

Denis

Can anyone tell something about this agency http://www.dreamgirls.ws ?
They present very beautiful girls and interesting services at acceptable prices.
I am looking forward for a report as I would really like to visit one of the girls.

Question: is summer (July & August) a good time to pick up regulars in Paris? I heard the French go to the countryside (or seaside) for vacation. If so, where are good places to meet young and cute french girls? Two years ago, I almost scored with 5 beautiful girls. Almost. I was a bit too drunk. Oh, well.

Report of my cruising of today in Paris
Tried a new Chinese Massage place who just opened in front the POPB (Palais OmniSport Paris Bercy) Massage was OK but no extra available, so avoid.!
Went to my usual mongering place between Porte Dorée and Porte de Charenton , 5 to 10 Chinese girls were working but none of them where very attractive, most of them where in the 30/40 age range.
Went to Porte de Bagnolet and found one younger Chinese (25) freshly arrived in Paris , very poor French, took off to a ST hotel in Les Lilas and had great time , she did even allow anal. A premiere for me with Chinese girls in Paris.
Took her back to her place next to the Metro station after a good hour of fun. damage was 20 for the room and 50 for the girl.
Not a bad afternoon, but damn it is hot in Paris! 35°C
Denis

Denis,

A question: when you speak of your favourite haunts on the Boulevards des Maréchaux, are we talking classic car prostitution here or is there a lineup that one can visit on foot? In the past, before the Sarkozy clampdown, I sometimes went by car and picked up a Balkan or African SW in the Porte de Clignancourt area, but mostly these girls only offered a quick one on the back seat and I have tired of of that kind of action. Your favourite vendors seem to have ST hotels lined up as part of the bargain? Also, at what time of the day is the action please?

Greetings

Priamos

Today I got by chance that a lot of mongers are looking for: an amateur!
I was driving at lunch time from Brie Comte Robert (77) to Paris and saw at a bus stop this nice girl looking like she was hitchhiking but I was not sure she was. In the doubt I stopped and asked her if she wanted a lift and where too, she said the bus was very long and she was going to the RER in Boissy (10 km away) make sense.
Little talk and we arrived in Boissy, she was ready to go out of my car and I asked her if she needed money. She looked at me and said, of course I need money like everyone does.
I asked her if she will be willing to do something for me for 50€, she hesitate but replied yes.
I was a bit short on time so found a quiet place for a BJ.
She gave me the best BBJwCIM I had for a long time.
I took her back to the RER station and will look for her next week at the same bus stop where she said she will be. Unfortunately she had no cell number.
This was a great day!!

Hi French lover, yes in summer it is a good time for hunting the french babes...as the skirts go up and more and more are seen in the out door cafes. Some of the hotties vacation to Cannes and Nice...just have to swim with them!!.

I guess even the swinging clubs are very busy with some tourists joining in....more experienced mongers would know about this?

Cheers

There is some SW in N6 between Brunoy and Villeneuve St Georges.
Most are coming from the east.

Don't know the price but ST take place in the forest.

MR

The price for the hookers working on the N6 is between 20€ and 40€ depends if you need just a BJ or FS.
You can also take them to local hotels cost will be 50€ to 100€ depends of the girl.
Denis

Ahem, Paris is almost a ghost town in late summer, in August is the month where Parisians go on their annual holiday. You might see more women in the South during the summer. You would need to speak French in order to meet the vast majority of women, the most attractive Frenchwomen either don't speak English or prefer not to. If you're there in early summer, there are a lot of women around the Arc De Triomphe area.

Priamos,
Basically it is car prostitution but now most of the girls will offer hotel ST for some extra €, there is not line up as the girls are now sometimes 500 meters apart.
Is is not active in the morning but normally you can find some action in the afternoons and surely more in the evening and during the all night.
If you are an early bird there is always some action in the Bois de Vincennes in the mornings in minivans, sometimes it is nice to have a quick relase before a hard day of work.
Denis

Today, I wanted to try something different with the Chinese girls working between the Porte Dorée and Porte de Vincennes, Took in the car one not too bad looking around 35 year old and as the weather is really nice decided to have a CBJ followed by FS not in the car or in an hotel but outside in the nearby Bois Vincennes.
I found a quiet spot and enjoyed very much a nice session in the open air. damage as usual 30€
Denis

CBGBConnisur,

Is mid July already too late to meet regular French girls in Paris?

Thanks

To French lover .

Mid July is not too late, but it is high time. French people leave Paris from late July on.

Decided to check the N6 action yesterday afternoon,
Many girls working there between the N104, Brunoy and Montgeron , but a lot are really old and ugly. You can find some East European, African, South America (mostly TV).
After cruising back and forth for a while I decided to stop for a quickie with one reddish younger girl.
She was from Albania, 32, saggy boobs, but good body and excellent CBJ technique, finished with FS in the wood (damage 40€). This is nice in the open air!
In fact, I do not like to much the area as it is not easy and risky (in terms of accident) to slow down to look at girls and stop if you find one you like. It is almost like stopping on an highway on the emergency line.
Denis

I will be visiting Paris in a few weeks and would like too see some of the chineses ladies who work in the city, I would like to know if they speak english as my french is not too good.

Boddy,
I really doubt they will speak English , their French is also very poor.

Boddy just tell em: "You make boom boom GI long time?" or "Sucky Fucky 5 dolla?" the world's WG's all understand those terms no matter what language they speak.

Anyhow in Fancais, try "Je voudre avec le pipe bon?" if you wish for a nice blow job. Or if it's good pussy you be a hankerin' for, then, "Je voudre le amour bon avec moi?"

To paraphrase Mangus man,

Marie Aintionette really said." No free pussy in France? Let them eat cock!"

Has anyone been with a girl in one of those bars around pigalle?

I was drinking two beers in one small bar (total amount of 20€) and there were no angry faces when I left after just talking to three beautiful young spannish and french girls working there. They wanted 150€ to go to a back room, altough theye were very nice, I thought there was a good "fool-the-tourist-moment" going on.

same warnings as for london soho also go here for paris pigalle/blvd de clichy area: stay the hell out of any bar, peep show, or any other joint in the area.

you will be guranteed to get clipped, robbed, or screwed and i do not mean in the manner by which you will get your rocks off.

there are no legitimate clubs in that area except for the moulin rouge.

Champagne Boy (nice name!)
Read the previous posts on Pigalle, if there is one recommendation , it is AVOID!!!
stay safe

I went today to my usual pick up spot between the Porte Dorée and the Porte de Charenton and was pleased to see some new Chinese girls (not too young but some were looking not too bad).
Cruised around few times and found one late 20’s a bit chubby with reddish hair.
I took her to my near by hotel (Porte des Lilas) and had a good session with 2 pops for 50€.
Her service was as most of Chinese girls, pretty nice and unrushed compared to the usual providers from eastern Europe you usually find in Paris.
Denis

a small glossary:

bj: pipes ...pronounced "peep"

bbbj: pipes sans ou sans capote pronounced "sung kapot"

sex: l'amour or la passe...have some respect for the ladies.

anal: par derrière..pronounced "pa derry air"
there is also the word cul or enculer pronounced "cue" or onkulay" but this is vulgar

a condom is un préservatif ( very apt) pronounced "prizervateef" or une capote pronounced kapot

avoid "american bars" they are just what we used to call "clip joints" in my youth.

So...Groslard:

Does that mean that Truman Capote could be roughly translated to Truman Condom? How befitting!

I went this afternoon to check the action on the N6 near Brunoy.
Many girls where working, but this time I did not see any young ones, most of them were in the 26 to 30+.
I cruised back and forth for a while and find a dark skinned girl.
I thought she was Indian but in fact she was yougoslavian, she was 31 and asked for 30€, pretty fair service in the wood, nice untrimmed pussy.
I asked if she will allow to take some pictures next time , she said ok, I suppose a tip will help too.
Denis

The best place to find women for hire in Paris seems to be the avenues surrounding the Arc de Triomphe. I have found French University students on Avenue Mac Mahon. There are also women waiting in cars on Avenue Foch. Prices are usually 150EU-200EU in for an hour in your hotel room for decent service. Avoid the Pigalle, Rue St. Denis, and Clichy. You might find something around Madeleine as well, however, I have never found anything there. A woman in Amsterdam told me that Paris was more of a city for "romance" than for "sex" and judging by the prices and accesibility of service, she is right, don't get me wrong Paris is a beautiful enchanting city, but it is difficult to find good sex services.

CBGBConnisur is right about that Arc de Triomphe area. At least the times I've been there. I walked around in that area alot and a few times I got the eye from some working girls. I attempted to talk to 2 of them but they didn't speak English. One time I was meeting up with my girl so I couldn't play. I asked price and it was expensive. One young very pretty girl was quoting 200 Euros. The girls I saw there didn't look like pros. They just looked like University students (as CBCG posted).

Paris has to be one of the worst cities for the hobby. A world class gorgeous city but I wouldn't go there looking to score cheaply. Prague was great and Lugano, Switzerland was even better with all their Latinas there.

I've traveled to Paris more than 100 times over an eight year period and I've posted several reports on the sex clubs of Paris. However, for the past two years, I've spent most of my time in Moscow, where I now live and have an apartment rental business.

However, I feel a need for a change of pace away from the Cyrillic land of beautiful women... So, I'm headed to Paris next Thursday for a long weekend of fun in the clubs.

Now, I have reviewed everything that has been posted recently about the clubs, but I have not really seen much new info.

If there are any gurus of the Paris swinger club scene who have any new, up-to-date info... I would really appreciate it. I'm especially interested in those clubs that allow single men and are packed on Thursday/Friday/Saturday/Sunday evening.

In addition, I'm especially interested about any specific info on the Friday afternoon and Sunday evening sessions at Les Chandelles.

If there are other folks in Paris next weekend... PM me and perhaps we can have a beer along the way.

Your info will be greatly appreciated and will be reciprocated should you decide to visit Moscow.

CA Traveller,
Long time...
I've been to Paris at least 10 times this year. No change in the scene except that more and more clubs are restricting single guy access, even more than before especially on Fri- Sat. nites. The best clubs currently on the scene live L'Overside totally ban single guys7 days a week .
I went to a Sunday night session at Les Chandelles - beautiful place, but there was only 2 couples, about 8 guys and no action to be found.
Best action in my opinion for a single guy is at La Cheminee on Wednesday nights. They restrict to maximum 20 men as long a there are enough women.
The rest are more or less the same. You know the clubs that are open to men. It's hit and miss at Le Pluriel etc. You're also choosing to go in August, at the beginning of vacances, which will also cut down on the amount of players.

I'll be in paris later in the month for business. PM the dates of your visit. Let's see if we hook up.

icu... It seems that everything changes and everything remains the same! I'm not real big on La Cheminee... even though that is where I started, it is a little aggressive any more. I've had very good luck at Au Pluriel but as you say it, and all of them, are hit and miss.

I do want to try Les Chandrelles though on Sunday night.

You are also correct that August is the worst time to go, but I can always go back.

I will be there from August 5 til the 9th.

In fact most people on the Moscow side of things will probably think I'm crazy for leaving in the middle of the "see-through" dress season, but I need a break.

Here is a cute young thing from a tochka, 18 y.o., from the Ukraine who just left... $100 for the night, but I needed my sleep. I'll post more if you want to see them on the Moscow board.

Hey ho,

I live in Paris and I can tell you there's not much fun in that city, regarding to some awesome places like tokyo. however, the best for me (quite good and not too expensive) is the Rue Blondel in paris, near the re St Denis. Take the Metro 4 and stop at the 'Strasbourg St Denis' station. In this street, wait a bit and for 50 € you will find some cute girls, BJ and FS. Always remember to be nice with the girls to have a good service. Bon courage

Russia is nice to visit but I would be insane to live there, first of all its too cold, and doesn't have much charm. I don't think I would be happy in a place which is grey all the time. I'm happy I live in Sydney, the most beautiful city in the most beautiful country on Earth, Australia.

St Denis is the worst place to pick up P4P girls in the world fat, old ladies, nauseating place, with dark alleys in dirty appartments. One piece of advice AVOID. It makes me go off sex altogether.

Save you money and head to Amsterdam or even England.

France is not the best for mongering, too expensive, pretty girls in short supply. Go for the museums and read le Monde to appear an intellectuals and people watching but don't expect hot sex

cbgbc... One question... have you ever been to Russia?

I have been to Australia several times and I agree it's a beautiful country and it has, IMHO, the best wine in the world. Sydney is a great city which reminds me of Southern California where I also live. So, I can't help but agree with you on most of your points.

However, Moscow is far from dreary and bleak... Right now it is warm and the girls are walking around in see through white dresses... But, even in the dead of winter, it is an exciting place full of beautiful women.

Personally, I've traveled all over the world and I think there are many places that have beautiful, sexy women and also offer many opportunities for excitement. I've chosen to live and work in Moscow because it's an exciting city with a constant variety of clubs and restaurants AND with beautiful women everywhere you look.

If you ever choose to visit Moscow, be sure to let me know and I'll show you things that you never thought existed. I promise that once you visit Moscow... you will return again!

I've been to Russia three times

cbgbc... so much for my theory! :)

Seriously, if and when you return... as most people do... let me know and we'll have a beer.

All the three times I visited were during the month of January. Maybe next time I will try visiting during the summer, its still a little bit cool during the summer over there is it not? I would definitely agree with you that Russia has some of the finest women in the world. Some of the women in the former Soviet republics are absolutely stunning.

I am Parisian, and for hobbying, I prefer Cuba or Russia. Paris is a romantic, not a sex city. Unfortunately for most of us on this forum.

cb... I happen to enjoy the winter here very much. However, that said, life if much easier and more comfortable the other 8 months of the year... especially in the summer and there is nothing like sitting at a sidewalk cafe and watching the beautiful girls walk by in their white see-through summer dresses...

Not to mention the skimpy outfits that come out at night in the clubs!

The FSU women are amazing... not only for their beauty but for their attitude which sets them apart from most other western women.

Summer can be very hot, but it usually cools down at night. The last couple of years have been cool with a lot of rain which makes it pretty humid at times. At the same time, the hot weather brings out the girls wearing almost nothing at all which makes it all worthwhile.

If you decide to come again, my website is www.moscow-star.com. Let me know when you plan to come and I'll help you with a visa and anything else you need.

I decided to try something different , so yesterday I went to visit an FMP (FMP for French Massage Parlor!)
It was an estethician, Manucure, Nail shop, rue Desgranges in the 12th district.
You ring the bell and come the madam in the late 40s with a wig.
You ask for a massage and she introduce you to a room on the back of the shop.
Massage was so so, but the BJ was nice (a lot of practice), FS was also provided but nothing special, the total damage is 80€, so I will say it is a good deal if you do not mind a lady on the down hill side (I think her name was Christine)
Denis

I know there has to be more of these places like Denis describes in Paree.

I have been trying to take more holiday in Paris and do this research but I keep getting sidetracked with more work piled on me and my travels have not taken me anywhere near France, sadly.

Hi everybody,

I read some of your posts and I got the impression Paris is not so great for girls. I will probably spend a couple of weeks in Paris for work in September, so any indication would be helpful: in particular for massage parlours/saunas, oriental girls, etc. Is there a newspaper where you find announcements? Are there clubs where they don't rob you (I have the impression Pigalle is a no go)? Can you give me any precise indication? I also like orientals, so if you know any.

Regards,

Cla

Stay the hell away from Pigalle. If you are really craving French women, go around the Arc, on Avenue Mac Mahon, there are real French university students. 150-200EU, might be less you if you are good looking and a gentleman.

LIke CBGB says the area around the Arc is always good. Blvd Hussmann and Mac Mahon have a few choice ladies and working students.I always have good luck in the areas of Malesherbes north of Madeleine. Lots of working students there. Check my posts here.

Do not even think of going to Pigalle/Blvd de Clichy area unless you are going to the floor show at the Moulin Rouge. Pigalle is like London's Soho ripoff joints on steroids.

CA Traveller,

Your PM box is full.

I hope that you're having a bang of a time. I'm jealous.

I don't know if you plan on posting or not. I'd appreciate getting your update of the scene there now in advance of my trip next week. Not sure if I'll have time this trip, but if not it looks like I'll be back in Paris about 5 times before the holidays so I'm sure that the information will come to good use.

Thanks.

I had to shorten my trip by one day, but I still had a great time... I visited Au Pluriel on Thursday night. About twenty men and five women and three were keepers and I was able to start my trip fully satisfying after sampling all three...

Friday afternoon, I went to Les Chandelles for a "midi" session only to find that it was closed in the afternoon until August 16th. So, I wound up at Au Pluriel again. Funny evening, there were as many couples as there were single men. Of the 10 women, at least 6 were keepers, but the evening went a little strange because several of the couples paired off. Fortunately, I was able to hook up with a beautiful woman who was there alone, I think... she was late 30's which is way older than I would approach in Moscow, but in France this age woman is very sexy. She was petite and slim, strawberry blonde with freckles. Nice session with her, but overall the evening was way less than a normal Friday night at this club.

On Saturday night, I went back to Au Pluriel not expecting too much, but to my surprise there were more couples and less men than on Friday evening. One of the problems at the sex clubs that I find is that one tends to hold out for one or two of the more sought after women and sometimes go home alone because you set your standards too high. So, after scoping out several of the fresh women, I saw the strawberry blonde from the night before and made a move... rubbing her back and neck... moving to her curly SB hair for a head massage. The next thing you know she is nuzzling up and "purring", in french of course! So, for the next two hours, we had a wonderful one-on-one GFE in a private encounter... OK others were watching... no doubt eating their hearts out! I love it when these FR women start moaning... c'est bon... c'est bon... C'EST BON!!!! :)

Makes an old man proud!

Very nice and very rare to have such a long "private" session at one of the clubs.

Unfortunately I had to leave on Sunday, one day early, but it was a nice change from the beautiful Russian girls. It was a different weekend, but it is also nice to be back home among the sexy young Russian things.

CA Traveller,
Great report. Life is good when you can escape young nubile Russian chicks for hot steamy FR women, and then get to go back to some more nubile Russians. Not bad for an old man.

Hi All,

I am transiting through Paris in the first week of September.

I will have about an hour or two at the Airport - CHarles De Gaulle, my flight comes in from toulouse at about half 8 in the morning and the connecting flight leaves at about 1030 hrs.

Is there any place in the Airport where i can get a quick shag or a BJ, i believe frankfurt Airport has something like this in the basement

Please let me know if someone knows anything like this, much better spending time there than in the duty free

Happy mongering

I never heard of something like that available close by CDG, but I will be super interrested to know if you find anything as I spend my life in this airport!!
Denis

Denis,

Thanks very much, in case i find something i will certainly post a report.

Would you by any chance know of any action in Toulouse.

If you do, your inputs would be most appreciated

Happy Mongering

Hi,

I am about to take a trip to Paris.

I would like to know where payment sex can be practised.

In the district LE PIGALLE, can sex be practised?

At LE PIGALLE, are only there local where he can look only? or also to have some sex with the girls?

The prices?

Thanks

What time of night is best for finding university girls around the Arc?

Thanks.

Hercio,
Please read the previous posts about pigalle, forget Pigalle!!!
It is a ripeoff only!
Denis

YES HERCIO! Stay out of the Pigalle/Blvd de Clichy area at all costs!

Here is a link to a map where you can find ladies. I recommend the area of Malesherbes north of the Place de Madeline. Porte Maillot is good too. Stay out of the bois de Bologne and bois de Vincennes areas. Very dangerous.

http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/attachment.php?s=&postid=161897

Unless you want to be extorted by some greasy and hairy Arab/Albanian pimp by all means go to the Pigalle, otherwise go elsewhere. Stick to the area around the Arc as well as Madeleine, but for some reason the Arc has better women.

Where do you find working ladies near the Arch?
Are there any massage places in the area?

johntodd,

The area surrounding the Arch is one of the finest in downtown Paris. More like classy boutiques than mp:s.

The ladies around the Arch are few in number but high quality, found standing singly in corners during the evenings. Read earlier posts on the circular streets surrounding the Arch where they are, Wagram Tilsit Iena Kleber etc.

There are NO, repeat NO, sw around the arch any more. The area which is a major tourist area at all hours of the day, was cleaned up last year by the efficient Parisian police.

I visit Paris more than 10 times a year (I'm in Paris at the moment) and the people reporting on action in the area have obviously not been there in awhile (I was there last nite) and are unfortunately raising hopes (and masts :-)) and misleading others. Stop or risk being reported to Jackson.

As reported in previous posts, Paris veterans go to escort services (very pricey), pick-ups in bars, and swingersclubs.
The SW scene in Paris, relative to a major European capital, is pitiful.
Your best bet in Paris is to fly or take a train to Prague, Madrid, Amsterdam, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, etc. all sophisticated capitals for mongerers.

Is it possible that people are just confused about which arc to go to? There are several in Paris, including "the arc". While I was there, I did not see any in the area that I am assuming that is being discussed.

However, if you read my report from March 22, 2004, you will see that I found everything I wanted right next to an arc, just not "the arc".

Unfortunately, Isseu is correct. No action around the arc or Mallesherbes, absolutely nothing! My taxi driver told me that the police had cracked down, and there is basically no street action now. There were about 5 40+ aged women working out of their cars near Madeleine, but that was it.

Iseeu,

In principle I agree with you, though technically you are wrong: there are still a few SWs in rue Pressbourg (which runs in a circle around the Arch), in Av. Victor Hugo and in the afternoon and early evening on the posh Av. Foch. All of these locations are in the immediate vincinity of the Arch de Triomphe.

However, it is true that the line-ups of young Balkan women in Av. MacMahon and neighbouring streets is a thing of the past. - Has been for almost a year now.

I have to agree with Priamos in his recent post. I was in Paris a year ago and am headed back next month. My experience was there were a few--very few--SWs in the Av Pressbourg, but they were over the hill warhorses.

However, there are hustlers who work some upscale bars off the Arc and Champs Elysee, and the girls working the bars are not bad at all. The problem is, you have to buy her and you a drink at 25Euros to get the conversation rolling. Prices seem average: 200Euros for full service. Blondes, brunettes, redheads, all from mid 20s to mid 30s, and many speak good English. They come back to your hotel. I never took anyone up on their offer, but might next time if I can't fit in frequent trips to Frankfurt and the FKK clubs.

There was no action around the Madeline, as has been written over and over again. Quite a few black girls working the streets between the Arc and the Eiffel Tower, like Av d'Iena.

Anyone have any good advice on where to find action in Paris now and in the fall as cool weather descends?

Say my Name
You are probably talking about the Arc of Porte St Martin where effectively you can find some SW but the quality is very low , mainly mid aged Chinese ladies , this Arc is also very close to Rue St Denis or rue Blondel where you can find some veteran SW .
Denis

The "Arch" is the Arche de Trimphe, one of the best known monuments in the world and until some time last year the area around it had a lineup of young E. European women every evening. That is the Arch referred to in posts here.

Priamos - you know what I meant. The aforementioned scene is a thing of the past. I wasn't talking about a sw here or there which you can probably find anywhere in the world.

Isseu
The SayMayName's Arc is the Arc of Porte St Martin!! I am sure of this.
The Arc de triomphe (Place de l'etoile) have some high price SW at night along the counter roads (some close the Hotel Splendid Etoile)

Is anyone familiar with the bar Manekken Pis in the 2nd district? I stopped in here for a beer late at night, and had dinner. After a while I noticed that all the girls in the bar seemed to be single and working.

I asked a guy hanging out at the bar what the deal was, but he was sociopathic and had some kind of mental problems (not uncommon in Paris), so I backed off and decided to leave.

Would be curious to know what the deal is with these kinds of places. This bar being just around the corner from rue de la Paix, I doubt that the prices would be all that great.

The address is: 4, rue Daunou, 75002 Paris

Gentlemen,

I going to be at CDG for a long stop-over and I am considering the wait in a hotel to get some rest, privacy and also taste some local company if I can, take the edge of the day as it were.

Any suggestions about hotels and where to call for service very much appreciated.

Regards, Havanaman

Cachorro,

The Manneken-pis is just a pub, restaurant and also mecomes a club some nights. It's heavy and not fun. My advice is to forget about it, sorry.

Just to report a scam.

Driving on the Marechaux boulevard last week, I noticed a girl looking like SW near Porte de la Chapelle.

Rather young and slim, not too worn, I'd say 5 or 5,5.

She noticed I was looking at her and ran to the car (that street is very wide). We engaged the conversation and she proposed me 20 € for BJ or 30€ for FS. She added she had a room where we could do it for 40€. I decided for that last solution.

She added she wanted the money for going there. I thought it was strange: you always pay before.

Then she wanted me to stop at an hotel, a cheap Formula 1 in St Ouen, where she bought some crack (yes!) and started to smoke it in my car. From that moment, I was decided to oust her asap.

I stupidly lended her my cell phone to make a call, she told me we were arrived at her place. Just the time I parked my car, she had vanished with the phone.

I felt like she had me like a noob.

So to avoid further problem, I'd tell you more of that junkie: european type, brown hair and eyes, quite thin, noticeable old scars on hands and wrist. Globally neglected. When I had her from close I was instantly repelled.

So much for my first post. I will write more of nicer SW experience later. And, Denis, thx for your excellent and up to point reports.

Othorgor

Hi guys are there any escort agencies based in Paris itself? with so many beautiful models around there must be some link I assume.

Good Morning All,

I can report that after good research of the reports on Paris, at midnight, after a very pleasant evening out at St Germain/Rue de Seine, I investigated the Ave Mac Mahon, and can report good girl/car/street action in this Ave.

Initially walked down the hill and flushed 3 from their cars at around midnight, quick chit chat indicated E100 for 60 minutes back at my hotel. All 3 were fine, and actually one was picked up from under my nose by a drive by - of course the best one.

However, got to the bottom of the hill and turned right, and encountered 2 black girls around 21 yrs hustlling - different market but still considerable ymmv.

Ended up in Stringfellows and that's another story, basically was busting for the loo and had to go in. Sophie from Denmark.

Leaving Stringfellows, the black girls opend with E100 /hr, or E200 until 0600 hrs, both at my hotel, or E50 for a quickie at the bottom of the metro stairs. Did not pass go did not collect GBP200.

So walking back up Ave Mac Mahon, the action was still there, but had sussed me as a tire kicker....in the time it took to get to the top and down again, there were two passes of the Police, and while it didn't disappear, the action was nervous. This was about 0145hrs.

Saw a taxi driver coming out of a bar and hopped in his cab and came back to the hotel. Who was more pissed?

So finally something positive about Paris, if not extensive

Hi Member 1263,

You will can find escort agencies on the web for Paris, but you have to know, the price is very expensive:200 to 300€ for the first hour.

However, if you speak and read french, there are adverts in this web site:

www.escortfr.net

They give their cell, and they receive at home or hotel for a better price than escort agencies.

If you want girls with good price, you can go to the "Bois de Vincennes" black girls who work in van, prices starting at 30€.

Regards

Jack01

An alternative could be:

http://www.club111.com

or www.playpearls.com

However, I must say I have never tried.

Thanks for the information guys. They seem to be expensive agencies and moreover the girls are not french I would assume!. No real escort agencies operating out of Paris, but did get try this international agency out of the Herald tribune newspaper- they did have some cute french babes....rates were out of the sky!!

here a general description about the paris scene, as it has dramatically changed since one yearand the new anti-prostitution law.

first the usual tourist ripp off's to avoid (these haven't disappeared!).

in the area around pigalle, there are a lot of bars. some guys may hassle you in the street trying to get you in, promissing anything. inside, nearly no customers, a few hostesses. they will try to make you drink so called "champagne". as you didn't ask for the price, when you'r leaving, your bill will be like a few hundreds euro (your drink, her drink and her presence).

in the rue saint denis, between the peep shops and the sex shops you will have so called mp with beautifull hostesses. again some guys hassle you in the street to get you in (if it was not a ripp off, there is no need to do it) promising fs for for example 50$. once with the lady in the she will ask again say like 50$, as you have to pay to enter and for her). she will start a striptease, but as you want to get more action, she will ask again for more and so on. in fact, you can give as much money as you want, you will never have fs, as this is forbidden by law. action in france can only happen in private areas.

as brothels are forbidden in france, you only may find officially swingers clubs. just take an "pariscope" at any kiosk (it's a weekly description of all movies, theatres, restaurants, shows and so on happening in paris. inside you will find also a list of all the swingers clubs including adress, opening time for couples and for singles. as seeing my wife been fucked by several strangers in front of me is on the list of the worst thinks that may happen in my life, i really have a problem to understand people who do this for fun. if you feel like me, you have two options: go alone during the opening hours for single and find a club with males outnumbering ten times the females, or go with a sw wich may cost several hundreds of euro. average age in these clubs is around 40.

all the rest of the action scene is underground. one option are the so called "escorts", which might be as well incall as outcall. escort agencys are forbidden in france, so some are located in england or anywhere else, but may provide you service in france. most escorts are just freelance. there are several ways to get in touch. through internet of course. you have world listing sites like captain69.co.uk including france or typical french site like escortfr.net. going prices are 200, 300 or 400 euro an hour.
there are other ways to get in touch, like the french minitel, or adds in "la vie parisienne". you then are more likely to find less expensive (down to 150 euro), but then without picture, wich is risky.

last underground scene is the street action. but there is difference. even after the new laws against prostitution, you have the tolerated action and the action the police try to crack down.

the tolerated street action is the historical one like rue saint denis. this goes on for hundred year, and no neighbour will complain about it, as he knew this perfectly well before coming.
most sw are french or long time settled immigrants.
the advantage is that service is provided in the neighbouring appartments. bj 30 eureo and fs 50euro. there is a small problem however, these sw are aged 40-50, are looking 1 to 4 (on a scale out of 10).

another tolerated scene are the vans in bois de vincennes. but same quality of sw than rue saint denis. bois de boulogne is also nearly tolerated, but anyway most are tv, so just forget it.

in fact police try to crack down the illegal immigrant sw, mainly the east european sw controlled by albanian and russian mafia especially because the scene is happening mainly in the richer quarters of paris, dusturbing the neighbourhood. for us mongerers, during a few years it was heaven in paris. on the boulevard peripherique, quantity of east european sw aged 18-25 and rating 6-9 doing anything for 50 euro.

this time is over. the quantity has dramatically decreased, and you may even be arrested and fined as a customer. however, as the rest of the scene is or bad or expensive, it remains the only option for action in paris in my opinion. nowaday's, i don't recommand to have the action in a car. just take a hotel room. it will cost more, like 100 euro (plus hotel). the main problem is it takes more time to find, and you have to take care for police. the best places are still on the boulevard peripherique between porte de bercy and porte de la vilette and also between porte dauphine and porte de clichy. another area is in the 17th district, around boulevard des ternes. there are still sometimes sw around arc de triomphe and boulevard victor hugo. but you have to cruise a lot.

else head for fkk in germany, the closest is saarbrucken (see my report on the related topic).

Paris is not a mongering town, go North to Amsterdam, they speak English and you will find plenty of sex services.

OR, better yet, go to Germany and sample the FKKs. The best thing about Paris are the many sex clubs which allow single men.

Routard,
Thanks for the good and mostly accurate summary.
2 small comments:

You wrote,"If you feel like me, you have two options: go alone during the opening hours for single and find a club with males outnumbering ten times the females..."
Sorry this is inaccurate. Some of the clubs restrict single men to the relative amount of couples and women inside. The clubs are generally small, and although men generally outnumber women as they do at all swinger clubs that allow single men, the entrance prices usually keep out most of the gawkers and the ratios are only as as high as you describe in the afternoons when the service is clearly targetted at businessmen on extended lunch break, or headed home from the office.

You wrote: "Average age in these clubs is around 40..." Hard to say. I've seen twenty-something couples, and attractive men and women in their 30's. It depends on the club, the day of the week, and time of day.

Does anyone have any recent information on the Thai or Asia MP scene? There were several three years ago, mostly around rue Rodier.

Thanks

France is not as sexually liberal as it was in the past. The current government of Chirac is very conservative and has cracked down on prostitution. Honestly I have found more French girls working accross the pond in Montreal than in Paris, and at much lower prices.

I have to admit that my swingers club experience is not enough to make myself a definite opinion about it. So I have to investigate a little more into this world (I'll make another detailed report about this specific matter after having settled my opinion about it). In fact, I had such a great time with the Eastern European SW, that I negliged the other scenes. Since the new prostitution laws, I prefer to head directly to Dutch, Belgium or German scenes. When in Paris, after business is finished at 6 pm, I just take my car, have 5 hours of drive, 5 hours of action, 5 hours back (return 9 am again for business, no sleeping, no hotel cost and good for health).

Are there BLONDES in France and if so, where can one find the largest number of natural blondes in France (what city or region)?

Thanks.

Also, what % of young French women speak English?

Walker 1999,

I just got back from Paris and Rue Rodier still has a few places, not as many as a year ago. I went to the Bangkok massage place. For $160 you get a shower, BS massage, body-body rub, and a decent prostate massage/hand job. The girl that works there is cute, very small (body and tits) and friendly. I think the place across the street, called Rose Arte, does full service but I was not attracted to the girl. Always clarify what they mean by "sex" most of them mean "sex with hand". Hope this helps.

Rue Rodier should be easy to find as it is just south of Blvd De Clichy and due east of Rue Pigalle. I am sure there are many more AMP's in that area, but I just need the time to check them al out. $160 sounds kinda steep for a B2B and prostate handshake. I'll be back in Paris in late Oct.

Rio Nut,

I know there a lot of blondes in France. They sell Clairol there too.

However, I'm with you; the sight of a lovely blonde French lady always seemed to crank me up pretty high, i.e., B. Bardot and C. Daneuve.

Scandinavia has the largest population of natural blondes anywhere in the world, period. There’s no competition.

Someone on the Copenhagen section saw a natural platinum blond SW. If anyone is interested in natural hair color, visit Copenhagen where mongering is tolerated, then post your report.

I was in Paris last month and took a walk down avenue McMahon at arround 11pm on a week night and found two young ladies hanging arround looking for something to do. Both were very attractive. I chose EC (not sure of spelling but pronounced like to two letters e-c) and she is 25, slim and about an 8.5 or 9 on a 10 point scale. She is 1/2 French and 1/2 Indian. We proceded back to my hotel and service was not GFE but pleasent non the less. She worked very hard to make sure I finished, all activities were covered. She offered back door, but I declined. I was quite pleaslently sursied by this encounter based on the negitive things I have read here about the area surounding the Arc.

I did try one sex club, Le Triangle (but the name is changed) on a Sunday afternoon). 7 men were present and 1 old fat lady about 55. I waited 1/2 hour to see if things inproved, they did not, so I took my leave and went to dinner.

Forget the street in Paris. Internet give you a lot of great girls.
club111.com or playpearls.com, mentionned below, I tried both, generally good.

leguiderose.com is the best way to get comments if you understand some french.

Hi guys,

Just wanted to let you know about the strip club called Hustlers off the champs ellese... a rip off!!its a strip club with mostly eastern european girl..but also some french hotties.

Anyways there is this beautiufl blonde with big boobs by the name of Aleandra or something ...says shes half russian/greek and would wanna meet you outside the club as an escort after she finishes work at 6am!! for 1000 euros and wants some money upfront to assure the meeting.

Obviously the ***** plays her game and comes down to 200 euros and gives you her fake mobile number and does not turn up..so watch out for this one..shes a real cheat ***** and also she says the managemnt would throw her out if they know knew that she goes out with customers....may be the club is into it...if anybody is going to the club just let them know about her!!

I am generally not using escort service but I tried this time one based in Praga, which supply girls in France.
They advertise on a French web site called missive, saying that this girl will be in Paris or Nice during that week (normally the girls stay only one week).
You call a number in Prague and you set up an appointment to meet the girl in paris , generally at her hotel.
So I tried a good looking girl (at least on the pictures) but boy I have not been disapointed, body 10, face 9, service 9.5 but no anal , anyway I am not into anal.
Damage was 230E for a good hour well spent!!
One advantage for you travelling mongers is that this agency spoke English and that the girls spoke English as well.
If you want details PM me (I will respond only to senior or well known members).
Denis

By the way , her name was Thalia
Denis

Yesterday I went for the first time to try out one of the Asian massage parlours (body-body plus handjob) that have been mushrooming here in Paris. The one I picked is called Printemps de Chine ("Chinese Spring"); it is located in the southern part of the 15th Arondissement, just north of Convention.

I have mixed feelings about the experience. It wasn't bad, but... a bit like one's first kiss, it probably suffered from inflated expectations. On the plus side, the masseuses - three of them - were real Chinese, not Thais like in most "Chinese" establishments. I picked the oldest of them (30+ yo) because she was the slimmest and made the sweetest or most personable impression. Prices were not high: 90 euros for a full body-body with rectal and prostate massage, and finished by an oiled handjob. Same thing, lasting a full hour: 150 euros.

I decided to treat myself to the full hour service, and that was probably a mistake. Following a decent back-and-buttocks conventional massage the masseuse stalled forever, tickling my back and little else, while waiting for it to be time to move on the erotic service. The grande finale was not bad, though: I've always enjoyed a skilled handjob with loads of oil. In terms of purely bodily stimulous it does more for ones c**k than an in-out routine.

Summing up: I may go again, but I am probably not going to pay extra for an extended service.

I will spend some days in Paris next week and was wondering about going to La Cheminee. I've been there sometime for afternoon parties, but never tried in the evening. I've heard that they are open on friday night and accept some singles. Is that true, and does anyone tested it?

Between La Cheminee and Le Pluriel Club, what could be the best choice?

In addition, where is the best place to find chinese/japanese/thai SW? Is it easiest to find a nice one on an escort site?

M Bonnet,
La Cheminee allows in single men on Wednesday nights, but you need to call and reserve your place as they only allow in a limited number. Le Pluriel allows in single men every night.
It's difficult to say which is best as on different nights the experience at each will be different. Obviously weekend nights, Fri. and Sat, at all the clubs are the best. Still on bad wintry nights that can also be affected. In any case nights are definitely better than the afternoons.
The Weds. La Cheminee is usually a winner, but obviously depends on the women who come that night and their openesss.

I was thinking those current prices in the Paris AMP's were a little steep in Euros for a B2B and prostate massage handshake. Then I finally got the perspective on the money values and it appears that costs are in line with London and Amsterdam.

However, I'm betting that the Asian ladies are masters at the prostate massage whereas the English and Dutch ladies wont go there. Prostate is a lot of bang for the buck, non?

However, I know a couple of Russian ladies here in Phoenix that can do a dynamite prostate.

Also, I am thinking the Asians may be flocking to Paris in the very near future and the AMP's may flourish soon.

I need to make trip to Paree just to catalogue the AMP's.

I will be going to Aix En Provence, in the 3rd week of November. I would like to know what the scene is like. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you guys, you are the best.

Gaspar
Unfortunatelly the scene in Aix is very dead, you can find occasionnally SW on the road to Gardanne but very rarely.
I have never seen any working girls in town.
Better go to Marseille or Nice
Denis

How far is Marseille from Aix? Are there any website that i can check out for rates? Do hotels let the girls come up to the rooms. let me know if you have any contacts and whata re the going rates?

Gaspar,
Marseille is 30 minutes by car from Aix,
Rate will be between 30 to 50 € for SW, escort will be in the 150 to 200E range,
I never had any problèmes bringing girls in any hotels in France.
Denis

I am going to Paris for the first time and would greatly appreciate some advise. I will be there for 2 nights arriving at CDG, so where is the best place to stay if I will not have a car? Best places to search for SW? What should I expect to pay? This is an excellent forum, thanks for the postings.

Take Care,

xcalifornian

Salty Dog, there are literally thousands of hotels in Paris. I recommend Smooth Hound or Comfort Inns or Tulip Inns to search for lodging. My favorite hotels ( the GIS and the Le Ste. Maurice) are on the east side away from all the hustle and bustle. Also very reasonable as they are about half to one- third what the comparable hotel costs in central Paris. The GIS is within a block of the RER A stop (excellent light rail).

You can navigate the RER and subways and go to wherever you think you will find the best mongering. See previous recent reports on current pussy hangouts in Paree.

Hello Salty Dog.

About lodgings : Merlin Le Magicien's idea of finding a hotel on the eastern side of Paris is a good one, esp. if the hotel is close to a stop of the "A RER" (the line crossing from East to West of Paris, very reliable line). You'll make huge saving compared with central hotels, and will find it easy to connect when you want to go to Aeroport CdG.

About SW : don't expect too much from Paris, where authorities have gradually removed SW from the streets. You may like to go to rue saint-Denis, where there used to be much activity, much reduced now (I wouldn't go there before 5pm). Take advantage of the walk to see the Halles neighbourhood.

Please avoid Pigalles, etc. Only people left there only plan to steal your money.
Have a good stay.

Hello Guys,

That's my first imput in the forum which is pobably the best in the net.. I agree with the previous post as living in Paris ,SW is difficult now. Any how try your chance in the streets around Arc de Triomphe after midnight you can have a chance to find SW
Denis any recent update from porte Doree quite empty at that time?

Maxi
I passed last week in the aera and found the usual mid aged Chinese.
This was in the afternoon, there is probably more activity in the evening with the eastern Europe girls.
Some Chinese were also available at the Porte de Bagnolet.
Good Luck
Denis

Thanks Denis,

Anyhow i'm often driving this zone and it's not easy to find them. I saw sometimes in the small street out of the boulevard in porte Doree. Other places are quite limited in Paris at that time and not a lot of eastern blonde

I was cruising yesterday afternoon between the Porte de Bagnolet and Porte de Charenton and it was pretty dead.
Finally I found a blondish Chinese mid 20's, walking Boulevard Soult.
As I was in a rush I took her for a quick CBJ in a near by parking lot.
Good service as usual from the Chinese.
She was 27 from Beijing and just arrived in France. (nice untrimmed pussy!)
Denis

I will be staying in Paris on the 18th and 19th. Does anyone know of any good excorts that will do a short (15~20 mins) F&S in or out call for 100 Euros or am I pushing my luck here?

[QUOTE=Iseeu]M Bonnet,

La Cheminee allows in single men on Wednesday nights, but you need to call and reserve your place as they only allow in a limited number. Le Pluriel allows in single men every night.

It's difficult to say which is best as on different nights the experience at each will be different. Obviously weekend nights, Fri. and Sat, at all the clubs are the best. Still on bad wintry nights that can also be affected. In any case nights are definitely better than the afternoons.

The Weds. La Cheminee is usually a winner, but obviously depends on the women who come that night and their openesss.[/QUOTE]

Also, what is Le Chiminee and Le Pluriel and what type of costs are involved. Any input for this noob would be greatly appreciated.

Muuki Man, it looks to me what you describe may be cured by a visit to one of the many AMP's now beginning to show up in Paris. The time and the money sure fit the kind of service you seek.

[QUOTE=Merlin Magician]Muuki Man, it looks to me what you describe may be cured by a visit to one of the many AMP's now beginning to show up in Paris. The time and the money sure fit the kind of service you seek.[/QUOTE]Merlin, thanks for the info. Are they listed in the phonebook? If not, can ya PM me with any info?

The AMP's are starting up in the area a couple of blocks east of Place Pigalle and a block south of Blvd de Clichy. PLace Pigalle is right by the Moulin Rouge and at the Metro stop.

I doubt you will see them in the Yellow Pages.

Thanks to the good advice I got in the Forum, I visited La cheminee on a friday night, in the end of October. It starts at 9:00 pm. I was there at 9:15 and the scene was already promising, with a lot of couples and very nice women. Reservation is mandatory. You can have dinner (included in the price: 100 Euro for a single) and action starts after.

I could fuck four time, and must admit was tired enough to continue further, but I don't remember having a so hot night.

By the way itwa s the birthday of a very very cute girl and, with three other guys, I was selected as a gift !!! Incredible. She was so sweet.

The Club was full and at 11:00 pm it is an orgy: people suck and fuck everywhere.
Hope to come back very soon.

Dear all,

I sometimes wonder why it exists a section in our excellent Forum about Paris. I travel all around Europe all year long, but I live here for 15 years, which is long enough to dare and declare: if you're not into old buildings or swinging couples, you'd better to ignore France as it is definitely the worst country across EU (except maybe Vatican) for our favorite hobby.

Paris is no more a place for us since there is no brothels nor affordable take-away clubs nor acceptable street life. The *****s around Madeleine and Saint Lazare are all in their fifties+, the ones in la rue Saint Denis are for the desperates, the boulevards around Paris gives you nothing but interesting opportunities to be ripped off or attacked by gypsies and northern african pimps. Bois de Vincennes is a joke. Yes, you may buy La Vie Parisienne (magazine you'll find in any kiosk)to get real telephones lost in the middle of zillions paying numbers achieving 'sex by phone' - but good luck with cats in a bag, usually fake blondes in their mid thirties-ish or cold and pretentious French west-indies girls with their belly streched and their breasts down.

Why are the transvestites the ones and only to be allowed to do their job all over the infamous Bois de Boulogne and the crappy hotels around? They are hundreds every night!!! I'd like very much French Gov giving us a proper explanation about…

So far, the best advise should be: run away! Spanish brothels, Dutch Clubs for Men, German FKKs, Portuguese discreet mansions, British call girls (bring your gold!), not to talk about Eastern Europe are waiting for you guys!

All the best
GB

Rumble I am getting is that AMP's are starting to sprout in Paris. The trend I see is that anytime AMP's start proliferating, the prices inflate like crazy. For instance, the Asian operators who are now branching out of southern California and into Phoenix are charging high as hell prices over what they charge in California. 150 to 200 %. It is a market driven business and I guess all the old rich farts will pay those prices for AMP pussy.

Already I am reading reports of some of the new AMP's east of Place Pigalle are charging 150 to 200 euro for just a rub and a handshake. God forbid I even ask what F/S costs.

Oh well, I guess a high priced AMP is better than no parlors at all.

Unfortunately, being French my self I hate to admit that Green Banana is right. Paris is not the best place for mongering.
Thing are changing,
The AMPs are opening more and more, and not only in the Pigalle area but like Merlin said, you better ask what kind of service they provide before you go.
You can also now find many escort on city tour (mainly from Tcheky or Russia) service is normally very good but prices are not so good, usually 230 to 250 euros an hours.
You can now also see many mid 30’s Chinese SW, this is relatively new. Their service is usually pretty good and pretty cheap.
Denis

On my way to some customers today I found a young beauty at the first round about coming from the N105 direction Melun.
Name was Eva, 22y, from Macedonia, very nice body but unfortunatelly a nasty scar on the right chick.
Very pleasant session with no rush in the car for 40€.
Another girl was sitting at her place when I drove her back. This one was not so nice, a bit chubby and in the early 30's with a lot of piercing on her ears.
Denis

M.Bonnet,
Good to hear that it worked out for you. Sounds like you had a good crowd. Did you have any problems getting in on a Fri. night? It's not always possible for a single.

Iseeu,

You have to make a reservation because they (are supposed to) limit the number of singles... So just have a phone call in the begining afternoon (they open at 4:00 pm) leave your first name and that's it!

I think both Wednesday and Friday evening are open to a limited number of singles.
You should definitively try it. I hope to come back in Paris soon.

I do agree with Mr Bonnet : as I mentioned in a previous post months ago, La Cheminée is a first-class place for mongers. Although the couples present there do not all look in their twenties, action is widespread and you can expect to participate in some three-, four- or five-somes the moment you've left your coat at the entrance.

As I am not a Parisian myself, I merely have the opportunity of visiting the place in the afternoons, but can guarantee action almost all the time.

Numerous other similar places exist or have recently opened in Paris, but La Cheminée remains N°1 for attendance of couples.

Among other well-known, well-attended haunts where single men are accepted, let me mention "Chris et Manu" (rue de la rochefoucault), l'Abys, le Pélican.

When in Paris, just buy the weekly issue of Pariscope (mag for entertainment and restaurants) and scan the advertisement for those places in the last pages.

Hi about Eva, was she blond and tall ? Cause I also knew one girl with a nasty scar on the chick but from poland (she said). It seems like a vengeance from arab pimps who protect their territories

Kalimero
I guess it could be the same girl as this one was Blond (but anyone can be blond!) and relatively tall.
She said she was from Macedonia but she was maybe from Poland.
Where did you see her?
Denis

M. Bonnet, Frenchie,
I agree that this is the best of the Paris clubs open to singles. I've been a number of times but only on Weds. evenings. I wasn't aware that it was open for single men on Fri. nite as well.

I will be visiting Paris by myself in Jan 2005. The purpose of the trip is to enjoy myself. I was in Paris last year with a group of "nice" people lol and everything was arranged for me i.e. hotel meals and sightseeing. This time I have to make arrangements on my own. I am asking for help.

Hotel...what area? any specific hotel recommendations? I prefer not to pay much, what about typical nitely rates? are they guest friendly?

Mongering areas....where are they? are they safe? what should I expect?

Transportation...Obviously I don't intend to drive..so what options are available to me?

Thanks...I know I am asking for a lot of info..But I don't know much about Paris (including language)

CoolGuy

I can help with hotels recommendation but how much would you like to spend per night?
Denis[QUOTE=CoolGuy]I will be visiting Paris by myself in Jan 2005. The purpose of the trip is to enjoy myself. I was in Paris last year with a group of "nice" people lol and everything was arranged for me i.e. hotel meals and sightseeing. This time I have to make arrangements on my own. I am asking for help.

Hotel...what area? any specific hotel recommendations? I prefer not to pay much, what about typical nitely rates? are they guest friendly?

Mongering areas....where are they? are they safe? what should I expect?

Transportation...Obviously I don't intend to drive..so what options are available to me?

Thanks...I know I am asking for a lot of info..But I don't know much about Paris (including language)

CoolGuy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolGuy]I will be visiting Paris by myself in Jan 2005. The purpose of the trip is to enjoy myself. I was in Paris last year with a group of "nice" people lol and everything was arranged for me i.e. hotel meals and sightseeing. This time I have to make arrangements on my own. I am asking for help.

Hotel...what area? any specific hotel recommendations? I prefer not to pay much, what about typical nitely rates? are they guest friendly?

Mongering areas....where are they? are they safe? what should I expect?

Transportation...Obviously I don't intend to drive..so what options are available to me?

Thanks...I know I am asking for a lot of info..But I don't know much about Paris (including language)

CoolGuy[/QUOTE]You can find many hotels in that site. About transportation, the metro system is very good in Paris. You can find a map of the lines and the stations at [url]www.metro.fr[/url]. Enjoy your stay there.

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[QUOTE=Denis]I can help with hotels recommendation but how much would you like to spend per night?
Denis[/QUOTE]

I would really want it to be $75 to $100 per night. It should be conveniently located to tourist and mongering areas. It should be comfortable not necessarily luxurious. I know that Paris is divided into like 20 zones and at this point I don't even know what zone I should stay in. As you can see I need a lot of help LOL. I know Paris is expensive so please tell me if my budget for hotel is too low. Thanks.

CoolGuy

[QUOTE=CoolGuy]I would really want it to be $75 to $100 per night. It should be conveniently located to tourist and mongering areas. It should be comfortable not necessarily luxurious. I know that Paris is divided into like 20 zones and at this point I don't even know what zone I should stay in. As you can see I need a lot of help LOL. I know Paris is expensive so please tell me if my budget for hotel is too low. Thanks.

CoolGuy[/QUOTE]

Oh...and that is US $

Cool Guy
It is really a low budget for hotel downtown Paris!
The US$ versus Euros exchange rate is not helping you.
Anyway, I will recommend the IBIS hotels, there are several in Paris downtown, I know the one in the 15 district as it used every weeks by some Tcheky escort girls and if you stick to the chain hotels , they will not care who you bring in, if you choose a small family hotel it may be different.
You should be able to find deals for the Ibis hotels on the Internet at 80€ per night including Breakfast.
Good luck
Denis
[QUOTE=CoolGuy]Oh...and that is US $[/QUOTE]

Like I say the best hotel bargains are in the east side. 50 Eur and up for a single. All of the good mongering areas in Paris are easily accessible by Metro or RER. What is 15 minutes on a subway? You don't have to be right downtown anyway. Most of the good mongering spots are not in Central Paris.

This is the link to a map published in WSG. It shows the Paris police activity related to working girls. As you will see, there is plenty of mongering amongst the east side hotels I recommend.

[url]http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/attachment.php?s=&postid=161897[/url]

Couldn't agree more with what has previously been written : IBIS hotels are one of the most convenient ways of spending a few nights in Paris without worrying about :
- cleanliness
- the receptionist
- the safety of your belongings
- what you'll have for breakfast
- spending too much
- what the lady you'll take to your bed will think of you

Just visit their site (English version):

[url]http://www.ibishotel.com/ibis/index.html[/url]

Be sure you book long enough in advance, as January is the month for trade shows in Paris and numerous sales reps want to find accomodation.

Now, for mongering, there are ladies galore, provided you know where to find them. Although you don't seem to speak French, you may find some contacts at [url]www.escortfr.net[/url], a French forum for escorting with lots of contacts of girls (French or international), or at [url]www.leguiderose.net[/url], which provides information on escorts and the way to get in touch with them (I think the latter has an English version). Not to mention the swinger clubs (no guarantee to participate, but you can still eye the cheese).

I am set to arrive at Paris CDG Terminal 2A Jan 18th for 3 days. They are all weekdays as dictated by my other committments. Hope Paris will be nice during the work-week. I will most likely take RoisseyBus to Metro Opera and would prefer a hotel there.

Merlin, Dennis, Frenchie...you guys have made nice suggestions. Do you have specific hotel recommendations for Opera area?

Yes I will buy a Paris Visite pass (3 day,1-3 zone) at the airport itself. It should allow me to visit almost all parts of Paris.

I tried checking some hotels on internet. Even when I say I am single, they seem to give me a twin or double room and specify rate per person per night. I don't know if I pay that rate or 2-times that rate or if they will put me up with somebody I don't know.

Lastly....I am most interested in French and East European ladies. Where can I find them? I am not so much interested in Asian or African because I can get plenty of them here.

Now will the weather in Paris be like New York at that time of the year? Last February when I visited there, it was not so bad. It was not too cold and no rain or snow.

Best Regards,

CoolGuy

Hello CoolGuy,

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Opera area is in the very center of "chic" Paris, and you'll likely find very, very few hotels meeting your price criteria in that area.
The suggestion to go East looks very reasonable. Just go on with the RER line to les Halles, change there in the direction of "Boissy Saint Leger" or simply Eurodisney. Prices (after the Vincennes stop) will be much lower.

When ready to go strolling, just take the same RER ("ligne A") and stop in Auber-Opera, you'll be in the center of Paris.

As far as girls are concerned, well, have a look at the posts here. And, please, please, forget about the Pigalle area (just walk, without stopping too much...) unless you want to be robbed of money, watch, etc

Cool Guy, the Ibis/Accor Hotels all have a rate that is for the room, not the person. Great rates too, I may add. So, there is none of this doubling the price nonsense where some hotel sites quote for double occupancy. Don't worry about getting bunked in with a stranger. (It may happen in India or Equatorial Guinea, however...)

My favorite hotel spot used to be the Comfort Inn St. Augustine. It is located at the intersection of Blvd Haussmann and Malesherbes. The Malesherbes Comfort Inn is right around the corner. This is the area between the St Augustine church and the Place de Madeleine to the south of it. As we all know from experience, Haussmann is loaded with great French pussy of all ages. The St. Augustine metro stop is closest to this area.

Now, I stay at the GIS or the Le Ste. Maurice in the east side and pay half to 1/3 what I was paying w/ Comfort Inns. Lots of Romanians and Africans on this side and many Chinese to the north of Bercy area.

I came back from a weekend in FKK land, so I was not really looking for pussy. I was just looking for a place to park my car and go to sleep close to porte Dorée, when I noticed two blond teenagers. I parked my car, and when getting closer, I recognized the Eastern European attitude. I naturally started conversation. They spoke quite well french. The girls where not on the main boulevard, but on the side way (Boulevard Général Laperrine), didn't make eye contact, and at no time during the conversation started by themselves talking about "business". I asked for the going price at hotel (150 euro). I explained I was not ready to pay so much as I had spend a weeken in FKK. She understood quite well, I suppose she knew the German scene, and said it was OK for 60 Euro. I asked how old she was, and she replied 19. I hope she told the true, as I 'm afraid she was even youger.

We went to my hotel room. I tried to make some conversation and make her feel confortable, but no way. She just replied everytime with a calm voice, but I couln't get a smile out of her. She took her pants of and said that if I wanted her completely naked and a no rush session, I had to pay 40 Euro more. I was surprised how such a young girl acted as a 50 years old pro from Rue Saint denis. I paid more, hoping it would make her feel more confortable.
She undressed completely.

I discovered her very nice perfectly firm body. She really was beautiful. But I discovered also a week's old burning wound on her leg. She lied again and said she felt down yesterday. She tried to gave me a quick service. She shaked a few times with her body, wich is probably enough for the average sheap sex customer. But after 9 FKK sessions with gorgeous hot babes, it had to take much more time. I did several positions, but every time she asked the same question:"finished?". After 20 minutes, I released her. I offered her to use the bathroom facilities. But she told she had no time and had to go back to the street.

I had a bad feeling. So young and what a miserable life.
Guys, I really don't like street action, even with a young beautiful girl. And it's even more expensive. If in Paris and you find that German FKK are too far away, I found also a very nice place at a two hours drive. See my review at the section Belgium others.

Routard
At what time of the day did you find this young girl?
Merci
Denis

[QUOTE=Routard]I came back from a weekend in FKK land, so I was not really looking for pussy. I was just looking for a place to park my car and go to sleep close to porte Dorée, when I noticed two blond teenagers. I parked my car, and when getting closer, I recognized the Eastern European attitude. I naturally started conversation. They spoke quite well french. The girls where not on the main boulevard, but on the side way (Boulevard Général Laperrine), didn't make eye contact, and at no time during the conversation started by themselves talking about "business". I asked for the going price at hotel (150 euro). I explained I was not ready to pay so much as I had spend a weeken in FKK. She understood quite well, I suppose she knew the German scene, and said it was OK for 60 Euro. I asked how old she was, and she replied 19. I hope she told the true, as I 'm afraid she was even youger.

We went to my hotel room. I tried to make some conversation and make her feel confortable, but no way. She just replied everytime with a calm voice, but I couln't get a smile out of her. She took her pants of and said that if I wanted her completely naked and a no rush session, I had to pay 40 Euro more. I was surprised how such a young girl acted as a 50 years old pro from Rue Saint denis. I paid more, hoping it would make her feel more confortable.
She undressed completely.

I discovered her very nice perfectly firm body. She really was beautiful. But I discovered also a week's old burning wound on her leg. She lied again and said she felt down yesterday. She tried to gave me a quick service. She shaked a few times with her body, wich is probably enough for the average sheap sex customer. But after 9 FKK sessions with gorgeous hot babes, it had to take much more time. I did several positions, but every time she asked the same question:"finished?". After 20 minutes, I released her. I offered her to use the bathroom facilities. But she told she had no time and had to go back to the street.

I had a bad feeling. So young and what a miserable life.
Guys, I really don't like street action, even with a young beautiful girl. And it's even more expensive. If in Paris and you find that German FKK are too far away, I found also a very nice place at a two hours drive. See my review at the section Belgium others.[/QUOTE]

I think it was about 11pm.

Where is the best place to have fun with Asian girls. I searched in several escort sites but didn't find so exciting kitties... and the prices seem quite high!

By the way, I looked to canel-institut.com. Did anyone experienced the massage and more?

Thanks for the information you could provide me.

per the recommendations from routard, instead of spending in excess for 300 euro (the going rate for escorts in paris) or taking the hit-or-miss chances with the swinger clubs, i decided to go to france/belgium border of wevelgem. for routard's report and directions, click [url=http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?t=632]here[/url].

although i was not able to find le porte bleu, i found many clubs of the same sort along the same road. there were as many as 8 or 9 such clubs as far as i could see on this particular road and by far, you get a much better deal compared to paris escorts if you don't mind the drive (1:30 mins from central paris).

my directions:
i took the a1 (you should expect to pay 12.60 euro toll each way) from paris to the e17 then to the e403. when you get off on the first exit off, of the e403, turn left. there is a round-about or two but stay on the road but after it/them, you are there mixed in the mostly residential town with a few bars and store fronts. look on either sides of the road and you will see neon lit windows (curtains are drawn) with neon signs (generally rld neon blue, pink and red) with the word, "club" followed by the name of the establishment.

i only had to check out 2 of them until i found the girl of my choice. i went to the "kissing club" which was like the one in the middle. basically, ring the bell and you will be met by the madame of the house. they spoke english in both of the houses i went to. when you first enter, the is a bar with a lounge. talk to the madame and tell her what you are looking for. bath, massage or full service, "make love" - haha!! or a combo. rates will vary but i was told that the "make-love" while it differs by girl will generally run 80 euro inclusive for 30-minutes. considering that you pay similar rates at the rld in amsterdam for 20-minutes f&s (fuck and suck), it's a great deal.

once you have gotten the general run-down from the madame, she will call in the girls (usually 5~8 girls) who will walk in and line up and will introduce them by name. they will excuse themselves promptly and as routard said, remember the names or you can ask the madame who's who again after they leave if you're not sure.

the girl of your choice will come back and that's when you work out the price and details of the service. i chose katie, a 25-year old, brunette spinner with d-sized bolt-ons. height was about 170cm and weight was about 50kgs or so. face was about a 7 and body was an 8. really soft spoken with a french accent (yeah, she speaks french and had more of a french demeaner than greek so i really don't know.....). in the lounge, i told her i was looking for, "making love" (still tickles me) and asked her what she charges. she told me 80-euro and i told her that was only looking to spend 60. she tried to haggle me for more but when i told her that i can go to other places that charge less, she agreed and i made sure that i understood what our encounter would be (she get naked, bj, fs, position changes.....etc.). she kind of looked at me with a look of, "of course!" but i still wanted to make sure. i gave her the money and she asked, "we go upstairs now?" and i nodded. she was wearing a skimpy, one-piece nighty with black heels and as she walked up the stairs in front, i got to see her young, fi~ine, tight ass.

there were 2 or 3 rooms right by the hall with a glass shower (big enough for 2 or 3 peeps) in the middle of the hall and a bathroom with a jacuzzi (which looked kinda scummy). she showed me to the good sized room with was mostly red (red carpet, red speads and curtains) and when i asked her where the bathroom was (i had to take a leak so bad from the long drive), she pointed it out to me. when i got back into the room, i was impressed that she was already naked and she had a small tube of ky and hat on a tissue in the corner of the bed. a very tight body indeed!! i undressed and then she produced 2 small towels from her bag and said, "let's wash now". she led me back into the bathroom (kinda wierd walking through the hall naked) and went to the sink and after running the water for 30 seconds or so, she checked and said, "it's warm now". she took a small bit of the hand soap and kinda rubbed it into her kitty and wiped it with the little towel and i did the same. i knew i wasn't gonna be daty after seeing that.....

back in the room, we chatted for about 2 mins. and then she laid on the bed and we got down to it. a little fondling of my guy while i played with her plush bolt-on (they were really nice and plump - not hard) and her button for a while then she went into cbj. her kitty was shaved but she had a trimmed bush on top. technique of cbj was not the best but she put in a good effort and got me hard enough. she asked what position i like to do it in and i asked what was hers. she said she liked doggie, so we went into doggie at first, then side doggie then cow girl then completed back in doggie and the while moaning credibly espcially during deep thrusts. i think she would have not had issues with greek but i decided her box was tight enough.

afterwards, we talked for a bit, i got dressed and she escorted me downstairs and kissed me on the way out. the service was in no way rushed (it must of been a slow night on account of the rain) and i have to say that it was well worth the drive. if you have a car and the time, i'd definately recommend this course - it's definately time well invested.

have fun and be safe!!

It's nice to know that my reports may have been usefull. I'm so gratefull myself for all the info I have got before on this forum, that I try to share it as much as possible. The magic of Internet, as this is typical info you will never find elsewhere (no books or what so ever on our subject). I dream of writing a travel guide like "The Horny Planet", or "Le Guide du Queutard", and having some research job to do in every country of the world. Any editor interested? Just PM me.

Hi guys,

I just found a list of all the Paris swinger clubs' addresses, that might save you some searching: [url]http://www.sexykokine.com/echangisme.php[/url]. I plan to try out one or the other soon and will let you know.

hope you are having fun!

stiff6

I am posting a periodic reminder:

STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM PIGALLE AND BLVD DE CLICHY AREAS! GURANTEED YOU WILL BE RIPPED OFF OR DOWNRIGHT ROBBED THERE!

WATCH FOR PICKPOCKETS, USUALLY SCARVED WOMEN WITH BABIES AND LOTS OF SMALL CHILDREN WHO WILL ATTEMPT TO MOB YOU.

Stay the hell away from France period. The government is ultra-feminist so its not good for p4p. Go to Amsterdam or Frankfurt instead.

I was cruising yesterday around the Porte Dorée in the afternoon and could not find much action.
Finally found a mid 30 Chinese bld de la guyanne who agree to an hour session for 50€ in a near by hotel.
Excellent service but body was so so.
At the moment the area around the Porte Dorée is pretty dead during day time maybe due to the holiday season.
Denis

Bonjour....happy new year friends.

Could any one let me know if the swingers club would be open during the new years?.....Cheers

Yesterday afternoon I was in the Bois de Vincennes and could not find one single MiniVan. unbelievable!! Are they all gone on holidays?
So I decided to go check on the Boulevard Exterior near Porte de La Villette, again just saw one ugly TV and one very old lady over 70.
Paris is pretty empty, one good thing , trafic is not packed
Denis

Bonjour,

I read this forum always this is the first time i write. All of the writers tell that in paris sex life isn't very good. I live in paris nearly 6 mounth and i also thougth that paris sucks in sex life.

But last week in grande boulevarde i saw a very interesting thing. 2 beautiful young girl who look like EE, were walking in the street. 2 boys ,who were in taxi, shouted to them and girls stoped and one of the boy walked near them and started to chat. After 5 minute they went to the taxi.(i'm sure that girls are in buisness).

Is there many girls(i dont mean the woman who works in rue st denis) who works around that area?

Grands Boulevards are the tree-lined avenues between République and Opéra. In between, one of the "boulevards" crosses with rue Saint Denis, so that the area, esp from rue Saint-Denis to Richelieu-Drouot, is not without its opportunities. If you walk quietly, or if you sit in the terrace of a café, you may meet a few girls, who'll be semi-pros I guess, rather than thick-skinned pros (who limit themselves to rue Saint Denis itself). The advice here is to act quickly, even if you have to speak in English.

The same is more or less true for boulevard de la Madeleine, although in that area, unless very lucky, you may meet more elderly ladies than anything else.

Hi guys i saw some action near to the Champs Ellyses....some asians around and african mixed types...but also noted it was around 12am...and some cops were also patrolling the scene.

You can still talk to the girls , the cops will not bother you, it is not a crime in France to talk to hookers.
Even if the hooker goes with you in your car it is OK .
Thanks god France is not USA!
Denis
[QUOTE=Member #1263]Hi guys i saw some action near to the Champs Ellyses....some asians around and african mixed types...but also noted it was around 12am...and some cops were also patrolling the scene.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, this it not completely true anymore, since law has changed with Sarkozy. According to law, the customer may also be finded. This doesn't happen quite often, but is possible. It happened in Bordeaux and in Paris, even with an important political leader. In fact this law is just used when police wants to crack down prostitution in a specific area or when they have no other law to use against somebody they want to arrest. The important political leader tried to intimidate the police, and had a bad behaviour, so they used this law against him to punish him (according to me).

For the average hobbyist, just keep a low profile, don't stop for a SW just in front of the police for example, and there will be no problem.

I had a few hours to kill in Paris last week. I was highly disappointed that I could not spend a couple of nights.

I rode RER B CDG to the Halles and got out and strolled St. Denis for couple of hours. There were lots of ladies after the sex shops and stuff. I was actually surprised at the number of them who were standing just off the main streets. This was late afernoon, so I imagine the working girls were just getting warmed up. I saw all colors and breeds. Many gypsies.

I was hit by pickpockets at three times in an hour. They got 2 of my dummy wallets with the Chinese $10,000.00 Hong Kong fake joss money in them.

I was surprised at how many ladies I spotted within the Chatelet les Halles station.

I know that many of you are interested in streetwalkers, or in clubs exchangistes, but I've dicovered some sites that list independant escorts ( fairly expensive, for example, 250-300 euros per hour). I'm wondering if any of you have any experience with some of these providers?

This is a short update on the scene in the 12th district.
I was surprised to see at less 15 mid aged Chinese ladies walking around from Porte de Charenton to Porte Dorée in the afternoon (3.00pm Saturday)
I picked one not too bad looking for a CBJ in the car, service was good but nothing to remember for life.
The Bois de Vincennes was empty , no more vans!!
Where did all the blackies go?
Denis

One warning about escorts in Paris, the Albanian mafia is highly involved in scams in the Paris sex trade. Many ads are often entrapments. You call a woman advertised in La Vie Parisienne, go to her apartment and get robbed. The streetwalkers around the Arc and Madeleine were an okay bet but overall Paris is not very good anymore for p4p, and good quality will cost you a very large sum of money.

i had some good experience with some escort in paris
the safest are the only who are receiving in hotels, i personally use time to time one from pragua (vip-luxury companion) which has "girls on tour visiting paris",
service is good , girls are beautifull , price is 230€
denis

[quote=grapelli]i know that many of you are interested in streetwalkers, or in clubs exchangistes, but i've dicovered some sites that list independant escorts ( fairly expensive, for example, 250-300 euros per hour). i'm wondering if any of you have any experience with some of these providers?[/quote]

Thanks for the advice--- and the warning! The reason that I'd thought about using an internet escort is that I'd believed that it would be safer (maybe more expensive, but also more safe), and I didn't know about the risk involved from the Albanian criminals.

I had looked at one site, called le guide erotique, which lists many girls who are independents, and there are a lot of beautiful girls there, so I'm still tempted ( expensive, but I can afford an hour, so why not).

My French isn't fluent, but I can manage in hotels and restaurants pretty well, and French people reply to me only in French now--- but, when I must telephone, it's more difficult. If I telephone an escort, do I ask, "Je voudrais faire un rdv..."? And, since my hotel (an Ibis that has elevators that require a card), should I meet her in the lobby, or even at the metro stop which is 50m away?

Maybe after, when I'm home again, I'll post about my adventure!

I was driving yesterday on the N6 from Paris to the A5 and spotted a good looking girl on the crossing of the N6 and D33 (to Tigery)
I was obliged to stop and check this girl as normally in this area there are only old dogs.
We agreed on a 30€ BJ fully naked in the car (it is too cold to go outside)
Very good surprise , nice and unrushy service, 21 year old from roumania freshly arrived in France , very tall 1.75m, but small breast, red hair but pussy was dark.
If I had more time I would have taken her to a hotel.
For once good experience in this area.
Denis

Today I had a little of time to kill at lunch time, so I went to Porte Dorée to see if any Chinese were there.
I could at least spot 7.
5 were not so good but 2 very ok.
Picked one and took off to my favorite ST hotel Porte des Lilas, paid 20€ for the room and had a very relaxing time (1 hour) 2 pops with the last one on the face. Too bad I did not have my camera.
Give her 50, as she had been good. She was very happy.
Later on, I saw on the N6, 3 new young girls that I have not seen before.
Agreed to a CBJ with a mid 20 big breasted Bulgarian for 20€ , not bad, big firm breast! She did not even complain that I was a bit long to come.
You can find them on the N6, on the right side , just before entering the N104.
Happy Easter
Denis

Well, I've returned from Paris, and had no luck! Before departure, I'd seen le guide erotique, and chose one girl (Katja) who looked very good to me (but also very expensive). On her website, she has some nice photos, and a telephone number to call between, I think, 10h00 and 22h00.

When my flight arrived at CDG at 0940, I tried to telephone while I was waiting for my baggage at 10h05, but received a meassage, "Bonjour...je regrette que je ne suis pas disponible...", followed by another, more official, voice that explained that the correspondant's voice mail was full. And, each day, it was the same!

Finally, I bought a magazine (I think la Vie Parisienne), which had a lot of ads and photos (and a lot not interesting!), and found two ads that looked appealing to me but again, I had no luck after multiple phone calls. I'd either reach a busy signal or just voice mail.

On my last day, I made one more call to Katja, after trying all week with no success, and received the same message. Then, I telephoned an expensive restaurant (the Bristol), reserved a place for one for lunch, and I took the envelope with Katja's fee and spent that money on a wonderful meal!

So, I think that the escort girl scene in Paris is difficult! The worst is that I believed that I would have a rendezvous with a beautiful escort, so I didn't really pursue the amateurs as I might have otherwise.

Perhaps we should follow our colleagues advice about street walkers near Porte Dorée or clubs like la Cheminée! Certainly, in cities in the US, I'd avoid streetwalkers, and instead look for more expensive and beautiful girls via the internet, but it seems very difficult in Paris.

Like many other contributers I also had a very bad experience at the Rue St. Denis with an African provider and some nasty scenes with her pimp and filthy rooms up lots of stairs. So I was looking for a good option in Paris that did not involve Rue St. Denis, SW/Vans or overpriced escort services. I found one, still not cheap but it works for me.

It is the Rue Rodier AMP scene. Not sure if they were mentioned before in one of the threads. The street is a normal residential street with school, shops and so on and it also has 4-5 AMP. Go figure. The way to get there is the metro to Anvers (one stop before Pigalle), the same stop you take for the Sacre Coeur, step out and walk away from the Sacre Coeur hill, through a little park and you will hit a mini plaza with two streets going off, one (downhill) is Rue Rodier. The AMP's are further down the road. One is called the Sun Instite, one is called Institute Japonais, one is called Institute New Bangkok and so. They all charge between €100 for a massage with a oil handjob (most with prostate masage if desired). You get to take a shower before and after and it is a safe and enjoyable option. There are pricier options €150 and €200 and I think they involve FS with some of the places, but I have not tried yet. The sun institute was nice, the New Bangkok a bit mechanic, I have not tried the Institute Japonais.

Of course the same service is a lot cheaper in other cities, mais c'est Paris!

Happy hunting

First piece of ass I ever had in France was ten yrs ago at the Opera Hotel which burned today. I managed to cadge a nice one hour long fuck off a little Romanian cutie who worked in the breakfast room. Cost was reasonable. 200 FR., something like 18 bucks then. Actually, it was a really good bang even had I paid 200 bucks for it.

I see there are more posts now on the Rue Rodier area. I have been saying all along that more Asians are coming to France. Pretty soon the AMPS will rule and maybe the prices will go down, although 100 EUR for a nice rub with a prostate massage and a greasy hand is not a bad deal. Costs about that here in PHX.

I was today again in the Porte de Charenton area and saw many Chinese girls walking around and I noticed many were younger than usual.
I don’t know if it the proximity of the "Foire du Trone" Amusement fair which drag them there, but I don’t complain.
Picked a young one (25) from north of Beijing, agreed to 30€ in hotel.
We went to my usual place Porte des Lilas and I had a great time (too bad no camera).
She was good and wet.
I luv Chinese girls
Denis

I was in Paris on a recent friday night, I walked around the Avenue Mac Mahon area near the Arc from about sunset to 10:30pm, where I had been sucessful meeting a lady in the past. I only saw one young lady who was was for sure working but she did not appeal to me so I passed on her.

I also walked the Grand Boulevards on other afternoons and nights as suggested in this forum, but I did not have any luck either.

I just got back from Paris and I can't wait to find an EMP or AMP in the USA. It was my first time in Paris and while I had read the boards about the lack of services, I was still hopeful. I have never done the sw scene and so wanted to find a fkk, apt 1:1, nightclub. Something. I was there for 7 days and struck out at every turn.

If you are going to Europe for business pray that it is in Germany or even Spain. In Sevilla, Spain there are lots of service providers available.

Yesterday night, I drove west of Porte Dauphine in what seems to be a park. I spotted a number of SW. Most of them were pretty old, ugly, and fat or transvestites. There were a lot of cars driving around inspecting the goods. I presume that you get the job done in the forest. Any locals know anything about this area?

On Saint Denis Street I had found girls posted you pass all the live shows. Forget those, they are a rip off. you will almost hit another arch. The girls standing out there have there apartment which you will go up nad discuss prices. I think they start at 50 euros.

I will be traveling to beautiful Brazilin July but first will take a 6am to 11pm layover in Paris. I dont know Paris at all or any place in Europe for that matter. As most my mongering has been in Africa and Thailand. If someone can help me out with some easy instructions on finding a little action. Maybe what train to get on, what stop to get off, were to get a cheap hotel and what corner the girls are on. I read quit a bit from the forum and see allot of people dissatisfied with Paris. But If I am going to be in that city for as long as I am I have to give it my best shot to come up with something. Any help I can get I will surely appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Punter 101]Yesterday night, I drove west of Porte Dauphine in what seems to be a park. I spotted a number of SW. Most of them were pretty old, ugly, and fat or transvestites. There were a lot of cars driving around inspecting the goods. I presume that you get the job done in the forest. Any locals know anything about this area?[/QUOTE]Punter101,

I haven't been to Paris for many years but is this not the Bois de Vincennes?

For info from the last century have a look at the following link from this very site. I have no idea how relevant it is to today, I'm afraid

[url]http://www.*************.org/paris_streets.txt.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Denis]I was today again in the Porte de Charenton area and saw many Chinese girls walking around and I noticed many were younger than usual.
I don’t know if it the proximity of the "Foire du Trone" Amusement fair which drag them there, but I don’t complain.

Picked a young one (25) from north of Beijing, agreed to 30€ in hotel.
We went to my usual place Porte des Lilas and I had a great time (too bad no camera).

She was good and wet.

I luv Chinese girls

Denis[/QUOTE]Hello!

Which part of Porte de Charenton did u saw them? Will they be still round there now and in near future?

Thanks!

Btw had u been to Bordeaux?

I went to the Private shop at 88 St Denis and took in the sex show. If you buy a copy of Pariscope you will find a coupon that gets you in for 20Euro. The theater is VERY small, only about 10 seats around a rotating bed. Several couples and single girls take turns on the bed and all in all, I thought it was worth the money. All the performers are quite atractive and one couple featured a black guy screwing some small blonde. Not a lot of passion but worth an hour of your time. I also saw lots of SWs along St Denis, young African girls as well as older French women. Prices were 30 to 50 Euro. Also some of the sex shows offer girls but I didnt feel it was on the level. I smelled a rip-off but I cant be sure. The Private girls also offer a private experience for 40-80 but do not claim to offer full sex, only masturbation.

Buyer beware . . . -P

Mika
The girls are still there, but I admit that there are also some old ones there, they are walking from Porte de Charenton to Porte Dorée on the Boulevard Poniatwski and on the street parrallel to it (on the exterior side of the Boulevard)
Have fun.
Note: I have not been to Bordeaux for a long time, but I am sure there is some activity there, some good wines too!!
Denis

[QUOTE=Mika14]Hello!

Which part of Porte de Charenton did u saw them? Will they be still round there now and in near future?

Thanks!

Btw had u been to Bordeaux?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Denis]Mika
The girls are still there, but I admit that there are also some old ones there, they are walking from Porte de Charenton to Porte Dorée on the Boulevard Poniatwski and on the street parrallel to it (on the exterior side of the Boulevard)
Have fun.
Note: I have not been to Bordeaux for a long time, but I am sure there is some activity there, some good wines too!!
Denis[/QUOTE]Hiz Denis!

Thanks for yr reply!

Btw around what time do the young chinese gals come out to Porte de Charenton? What do u mean by the exterior side of the Boulevard?

I am living near Bordeaux but didn't managed to find out anything exciting in Bordeaux. Will let u guys know once i found anything =)

Thanks!

Mika,
I have seen Chinese girls there at mid-day,, maybe they start earlier.
The exterior side: as you know the Boulevard Exterior or Boulevard des Marechaux run all around Paris, so what I mean by exterior side is the portion between these boulevard and the Boulevard Periferique. [QUOTE=Mika14]Hiz Denis.

Thanks for yr reply!

Btw around what time do the young chinese gals come out to Porte de Charenton? What do u mean by the exterior side of the Boulevard?

I am living near Bordeaux but didn't managed to find out anything exciting in Bordeaux. Will let u guys know once i found anything =)

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Can I get to this area by subway/train or do I need a car? Also, will these girls go back with me to my hotel or are there places in the area (as I will not have a car)?

The Metro station is Porte de Charenton or Porte Dorée,
I assume that they will be willing to go with you to your hotel if it is not too far ,(anyway just a question of negociation, euros talk!)
Bonne Chance and post report
DEnis[QUOTE=AsianLover]Can I get to this area by subway/train or do I need a car? Also, will these girls go back with me to my hotel or are there places in the area (as I will not have a car)?[/QUOTE]

2 Albanese girls working late in avenue des ternes (Paris 17e district)

Another east girl in PLace wagram (paris 17)

Please avoid bars in pigalle. As a french guy i feal ashamed of thiese fucking gangsters ! No sex but you pay a lot for Champagne and peanuts.

Chinese girls working in mac donald or Quick place Republique.

If you are lucky, you can find some youg girls working on the Marechaux ( a street around Paris) but all of them are arrested by police.

Yesterday I was looking for some asian fun around the Porte de Charenton and Porte Dorée , nothing!
Finaly I found them (around 15) walking on the boulevard de la Guyanne and along the street were the cimetary is.
I found a younger one (29) and went to my usual hotel but this time service was so, so, cbj was poor and FS was just OK.
This is a first time with a Chinese in France.

Today, I had little time so I picked one relatively ok, (39) and went for a CBJ in the car for 20€. This time the job was done perfectly!
Denis

[QUOTE=Denis]Yesterday I was looking for some asian fun around the Porte de Charenton and Porte Dorée , nothing!
Finaly I found them (around 15) walking on the boulevard de la Guyanne and along the street were the cimetary is.
I found a younger one (29) and went to my usual hotel but this time service was so, so, cbj was poor and FS was just OK.
This is a first time with a Chinese in France.

Today, I had little time so I picked one relatively ok, (39) and went for a CBJ in the car for 20€. This time the job was done perfectly!
Denis[/QUOTE]Hiz!

I went to Porte de Charenton on the 15th May and also saw nothing! No chinese gals walking around. I went there around 1pm and left there around 2pm. Is it because I went there too early or what?

I walked at Boulevard Poniatowski, Av. du Gal Laperrine, Pl Du Gard Lavigerie and I saw totally nothing.

Quite disappointed with myself. Wonder where else in Paris can I look for chinese gals?

Hey,

I just wanna shed some more naughty lights on Pris nights, one can find freelancers in several clubs in Paris, sometimes good looking. I've been hanging out quite a bit in l'Etoile lately and there are MANY of them, from various ethnic background. easy to spot FLs as well in Buddha Bar or Milliardaire.Some are decent looking but drinks and girls are expensive and especially in l'Etoile entrance is very selective. Buddha bar is quite easy to get in though, even for groups of men.

Perhaps I've Lived too many years in Thailand or going back there too often, I have no problem with drink and meal charges but am always reticent to fork out 200 euro up (sometimes very up !) for girls so no field report yet.

It seems that there is a new arrival of Chinese girls around the Porte Dorée
Today they were probably around 20 and most of them new.
I found a good looking one , 26, small tits or almost no tits, agreed to 40€ for ST in hotel
As I arrived in my usual hotel Porte de Lilas , the reception girl said they were full, it neither happen so I asked why, and in fact they are not accepting guest with Asian girls anymore as they do not have legal ID. She told me that they had a police visit last month.
So I went to another near by hotel but much less clean.
I have to start now from scratch and find a decent one. (I mean clean and cheap) If anyone know s one near the Porte Dorée, please PM me
Denis

[QUOTE=Denis]It seems that there is a new arrival of Chinese girls around the Porte Dorée
Today they were probably around 20 and most of them new.

I found a good looking one , 26, small tits or almost no tits, agreed to 40€ for ST in hotel
As I arrived in my usual hotel Porte de Lilas , the reception girl said they were full, it neither happen so I asked why, and in fact they are not accepting guest with Asian girls anymore as they do not have legal ID. She told me that they had a police visit last month.

So I went to another near by hotel but much less clean.

I have to start now from scratch and find a decent one. (I mean clean and cheap) If anyone know s one near the Porte Dorée, please PM me

Denis[/QUOTE]Hello!

Which part of Porte Doree did u saw the chinese ladies? And also around what time?

I went to Port de Charenton as u recommended, but see no action.

See my earlier post.

Thanks a lot!

OK
I have enclosed a small map of the area (not too good quality) where I put a "here" where you can find them.
The streets are : Bd Soult, Rue de la Nouvelle Caledonie, Rue Ernest Lefebure, Avenue Armand Rousseau, Rue du General Archinard, Boulevard de la Guyane.
These girls are not standing still, they are all walking around the area.
You should have no problem to spot them, they look like normal persons normally very discrete and afraid of the police.
If you spot a Chinese girls in the area there is 99% of chance she will be working.
Eye contact will make you aware if she is or not.

[QUOTE=Denis]OK,

I have enclosed a small map of the area (not too good quality) where I put a "here" where you can find them.

The streets are : Bd Soult, Rue de la Nouvelle Caledonie, Rue Ernest Lefebure, Avenue Armand Rousseau, Rue du General Archinard, Boulevard de la Guyane.
These girls are not standing still, they are all walking around the area.

You should have no problem to spot them, they look like normal persons normally very discrete and afraid of the police.

If you spot a Chinese girls in the area there is 99% of chance she will be working.
Eye contact will make you aware if she is or not.[/QUOTE]Hello Denis!

Thanks for yr attachment! What's the time frame that the Chinese girls will be walking around the streets that u marked out on the map? Then for Porte de Charenton, is this area still active? I will be in Paris for the Paris Air Show next week.

Thanks and regards!

hi guys,

sunday night, i stayed in a small hotel near " l'arc de triomphe" and decided to have a walk at night.

at around 11:00pm, i found 2 street workers, mid 20's, tall slim, nice looking, one from portugal and one from italia. they both had a perfect french ( i am french native) and can speak english also.

i choose the portugal one. she asked 50 euros for a bj in the car, and 150 euros for 1 hour in hotel. i ask for cheaper price and we agreed for 100 euros 1 hour in my hotel.
the front guy didn t accept to let me bring a girl in my room...he was kind and show me a video camera on the wall ( this hotel was directly connected with police for security...).

the second day i tried to call several girls listed on the paris sex guide ( i bought it on the champs elysees). a few of them answered, but the voice didn't corespond to the description (a 18 years old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] had a voice of a 80 years old woman. rip off?).

i couldn t try the chinese scene yet.

[QUOTE=Denis]OK
I have enclosed a small map of the area (not too good quality) where I put a "here" where you can find them.
The streets are : Bd Soult, Rue de la Nouvelle Caledonie, Rue Ernest Lefebure, Avenue Armand Rousseau, Rue du General Archinard, Boulevard de la Guyane.
These girls are not standing still, they are all walking around the area.
You should have no problem to spot them, they look like normal persons normally very discrete and afraid of the police.
If you spot a Chinese girls in the area there is 99% of chance she will be working.
Eye contact will make you aware if she is or not.[/QUOTE]Hiz Denis!

Thanks for yr file!

What's the time frame that these Chinese ladies will be walking around the areas that you had listed?

Then for Porte de Charenton, is the place still active?

Thanks and regards!

Hello,

Does anyone know / meet Leonie in Paris?

Thanks in advance,

Sam

Hello,

For those who like black girl like me I met this nice one in Paris at my hotel during my business trip. She was nice and accept my wishes: BBBJ, DATY, anal.

The name is Priscilla, young and slim body, she asks 250 euros for one hour. It was also a GFE.

Vive la France!! especially his african girls!

[QUOTE=Denis]OK,

I have enclosed a small map of the area (not too good quality) where I put a "here" where you can find them.

The streets are : Bd Soult, Rue de la Nouvelle Caledonie, Rue Ernest Lefebure, Avenue Armand Rousseau, Rue du General Archinard, Boulevard de la Guyane.
These girls are not standing still, they are all walking around the area.

You should have no problem to spot them, they look like normal persons normally very discrete and afraid of the police.

If you spot a Chinese girls in the area there is 99% of chance she will be working.
Eye contact will make you aware if she is or not.[/QUOTE]Thanks for yr file!

What's the time frame that these Chinese ladies will be walking around the areas that you had listed?

Then for Porte de Charenton, is the place still active?

Thanks and regards!

Mika
I think you will start seeing some from 11.00am,
Again these girls are continously walking so you have to cruise and watch.
Concerning Porte de Charenton, it was less active due to the Foire du trone , now finish, so it should be better.
Good Luck and post report.

Thanks Denis for your relevant information.

Before testing for real, I decided to see by myself.

Last friday I took the car at 4pm and stopped Avenue Armand Rousseau (not so difficult to find a place for the car but don't forget to pay in the parcmeter).

After few minutes walking in the mentioned streets I saw a group of 3 Chinese girls talking in front of a shop at the corner of rue de l'amiral La Ronciere Le Noury and Boulevard Soult (age 25-40, quoted 4-6). They were discussing as "normal" women who meet and discuss about the weather or the price of the bread but after 5 minutes, they leaved each other and began to walk : two on Boulevard Soult (but separately), one in avenue du General Massiny.

Another one (about 25 yrs, quoted 6-7) walked up and down rue Ernest Lefebure and another (40-45 yrs, 3-4 on my scale) walked along the wall in Avenue du General Messiny.

It is not very easy to distinguish them from other people but one detail is specific : they walk very slowly.

As I had no more time to try, I returned but next time I will try one.

My problem is to find a good place to go with the girl : Denis, do you know cheap hotel around? What's the price for a cheap hotel in this area for one hour ? Did you try in the car? If so, where did you go?

[quote=furansujin]hi guys,

sunday night, i stayed in a small hotel near " l'arc de triomphe" and decided to have a walk at night.

at around 11:00pm, i found 2 street workers, mid 20's, tall slim, nice looking, one from portugal and one from italia. they both had a perfect french ( i am french native) and can speak english also.

i choose the portugal one. she asked 50 euros for a bj in the car, and 150 euros for 1 hour in hotel. i ask for cheaper price and we agreed for 100 euros 1 hour in my hotel.
the front guy didn t accept to let me bring a girl in my room...he was kind and show me a video camera on the wall ( this hotel was directly connected with police for security...).

the second day i tried to call several girls listed on the paris sex guide ( i bought it on the champs elysees). a few of them answered, but the voice didn't corespond to the description (a 18 years old [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] had a voice of a 80 years old woman. rip off?).

i couldn t try the chinese scene yet.[/quote]hello!

exactly where did you found the 2 street workers?

how to know from a glance that they r street workers?

thanks!

I found the street workers on avenue Mac Mahon near a place called " Sushi Mako", when you come from "Arc de triomphe", it s on your left.

She said to me she s working mostly every day.

You can know she s a street worker as she seems to wait in the street and some time she walks slowly and come back to the same place.When I walked close to her, I look at her in the eyes and she smiled to me and start talking.

If you are not sure just try eyes contact and ask her " vous travaillez?" (are you working). Generally if they are street working girls they will say yes. If not they will not understand your question and you will not have any trouble.

Please enjoy and let us know what happened.

If you like BBBJ, ask for it at first. I did it and she said ok but not come in my mouth.

I'm sorry to argue with Denis, but after spending a lot of time around Porte de Charenton, I never really found the so called chinese women. I saw them once, 3 women, super ugly, totally unfuckable walking the avenue. My advice is, go to Metro Saint-Denis, there are about 15 to 25 chinese women. Some very ugly and some ok. The younguest I found was 26, she was very friendly and the services was so-so. You can found them walking around the McDonald to the Sephora shop on the Boulevard Saint-Denis, some walks up to the Boulevard Strasboug till the Rue de Metz and comes back again. They usually ask for 40 to euros for one shot and 30 for the hotel. Check the Gallery for pictures. Don't waste your time at the Porte Charenton. Its almost impossible to miss them, the peak time is 1500hr.

[QUOTE=furansujin]I found the street workers on avenue Mac Mahon near a place called " Sushi Mako", when you come from "Arc de triomphe", it s on your left.

She said to me she s working mostly every day.

You can know she s a street worker as she seems to wait in the street and some time she walks slowly and come back to the same place.When I walked close to her, I look at her in the eyes and she smiled to me and start talking.

If you are not sure just try eyes contact and ask her " vous travaillez?" (are you working). Generally if they are street working girls they will say yes. If not they will not understand your question and you will not have any trouble.

Please enjoy and let us know what happened.

If you like BBBJ, ask for it at first. I did it and she said ok but not come in my mouth.[/QUOTE]Hello!

So do the street walkers appear everyday at avenue Mac Mahon?

Very hard to find street walkers in Paris IMHO.

Looks like a good deal, heard the eastern girls on Champs Elysées are asking 200. I might check it out soon.

Cheers!

Luis

Was in Paris on a business trip and after walking along Champs Elysees
we sat outside one of the street bars called Le Deauville. This is the one where the waiters are dressed as sailors ! Noticed inside a girl sitting on her own just looking out at passers by and said to my colleauge that I'm sure she was a professional. We had a better look and then noticed that there were several girls. Asked the waiter if they were working and he confirmed this and prices were between 100-200€. The score was that you went up to them and started the conversation and that they would not come to your table even if you called them over.

Did not pluck up the balls to go over and ask what services they provided...has anyone been in this bar or similiar bars and can advise what is provided ? Most of them were well fuckable !

Yep, lots of good looking pros in Paris, some new short report from l'Etoile:

A very very heavy night out last night, and one totally hot and hot asian bird kissing about everybody in l'Etoile VIP corner, the mecca in Paris for foreign birds looking for free champagne and lot of money, kissing, dancing and competing very easily with russians, black and mexican (yes, mexican )= bounty hunters. We're downing a Bombay Sapphire bottle than another one, plus champ for the ho's and everything is very vague from then on... Outside at closing time bright sunlight already most of the birds are in a cabriolet... and ALL speak russians!! asked the 2 asians if they're siberian , the hot one says "yes how d'yaknow? " and falls on me along a metal barrier and we all fall on the BMW of "L'Etoile"'s DJ and the door is scratched and he's pissed off, and when I point his 320d is brand new but still a lousy car it doesn't make him happier and cops come and it's another happy ending story but wonder if my car is still on the walking path where I left it last night.
Another great night. Another work day wasted.
A dove is flying off, just in yet another sky...

Wanna go to Russia!

Be sane.
Pay taxes.
Have kids.

But mostly drive faster

After my first visit to see the scene, I decided to try for real.

It was last Friday at 11am.

I stopped my car in Avenue Armand Rousseau (you must buy a specific parc card for 10 Euros in any tobacco shop - the parc cost 0,25 Euro for 1/4 hour).

I began to walk in the streets "rue de l'amiral La Ronciere Le Noury" and "Boulevard Soult" : nothing !

In "rue de la Nouvelle Calédonie", a chinese girl walked slowly and when I crossed her way I looked in her eyes and asked "Bonjour, vous travaillez ?" (hello, are you working ?).

She answered "oui" (yes) and I asked "c'est combien ?" (what's the price ?). She said 30 Euros for her and 20 Euros for the hotel.

We took my car a went to the hotel : "Reve Hotel" rue de la République in the city of "Les Lilas". To go to this hotel (about 15 minutes by car from porte Dorée), take the Boulevard Soult to the north and continue to the Porte des Lilas. In Porte des Lilas, go right, inside the city of "Les Lilas" until you reach the metro (underground) station "Mairie des Lilas". The "rue de la République" is just in front of the station. Be careful : it is difficult to find a place to parc the car : the streets are very small and I had to wait for an other car to leave ...

In the hotel, I had to give an identity proof (passeport or any card with a photography : the boss doesn't verify that it's yours) and to pay the 20 Euros (I recevied a small piece of soap and a clean towel).

Now the girl : her name is something like "huha", she is about 1m60 with long dark hairs. She came in France from China 2 monthes ago, so she doesn't speak more than 10 words of French and no English at all !

Her face is pretty (7-8) but she is a little too fat for me : body 5-6 with little breast, partially shaved pussy and a bit too much stomach ...

It was a very good girlfriend experience : after undressing each other, she started to give french kisses while her hand worked on my cock.

I asked for a condom (one of the only French words she knew was "capote") and she put it with her mouth.

She began a blow job in the 69 position and I could insert one finger in her pussy. She was wet and I put a second finger inside her.

When I started to put another finger in her asshole she refused absolutely. I proposed more money but she refused again. As her pussy was very tight (no more than 2 fingers may enter together) I didn't insist.

When my cock was hard enough, I started to fuck her in missionary. The bed was not very young and it began to cry ... She seemed afraid that some people in the hotel can ear our performance !

Her pussy was more and more wet and she seemed to take pleasure (she is certainly a good actress). I continued in doggy style and when I tried to put one finger in her ass while fucking her pussy (I like particularly this sensation) she closed her legs and her hole : definitively no access to her ass !

After 20 minutes of good fucking in various positions, I gave her the load on her breast.

After the fucking I gave her the 30 Euros (I was estonished to pay only after : the common rule in Paris is to pay before fucking the girl).

During the return to Porte Dorée, she took my hand and smiled as a real girlfriend.

In conclusion, it was a very good (and cheap) experience and I wil renew it as soon as possible.

Jean Michel
Good report ,
I glad someone finally used the information I put in order to find the Chinese girls.
I fully agree with you, the service provided is far better than most of the non Chinese girls.
The only down side is that they have a lot of mileages but at the end if the service provided is good!
Denis

I had some time to kill for lunch so I decided to cruise around the Porte Dorée, saw the usual Chinese girls +2 new ones not too bad looking. I stopped and asked if they want to come to a hotel both of them.
No problem.
We had a great time, they played a bit together and took really got care of me, with a lot of sucking , cuddling, really nice.
I recommend!!!
To Jeanmi: I had also someday ago Hua, she is really nice and GFE, she has also a big vertical cesarian old fashion scar
Denis

I was recently visiting Paris, and dropped in o a massage parlour in rue St Denis. This was in the middle of the red light district. 60 euros for 45 mins seemed reasonable for a massage. I assumed there would be a "happy ending" but all I got was a legitimate massage! Did I not ask the right questions, or does a straight massage exist in the red light district?

You did the right think not to ask anything! You would have paid much more and still without any sexual relief. Once again, there is no way of getting sex for money inside any professional place in France. You can have unprofessional sex in swingers club, sex for money but inside a private appartment or hotelroom with an escort, or sex outside with a streetworker. But forget about anything like (sex) massage parlour, brothel, club, etc... It will only be a major ripp off, especially in the famous red light districts of Paris.

It's easier in France to have sex for free than paid sex!

Best is to escape either North of France to Belgium (check my report on the Belgium other area thread), East of France to Saarbruck in Germany (check my report on the Other FKK Germany thread), South of France to Gerona in Spain (check my report ont the Spain other area thread), or swimming West towards Brazil!

Which hotel did choose whith the 2 chinese girls ?

JeanMi

JeanMi
I went to my usual hotel Porte des Lilas , I believe it is the same you went too. Patrick is the owner (a black guy). Rate is 20€, I never had not to show an ID.
At the moment he has a SW helping him with the cooking, she is on the very heavy side, she is 19, huge boobs. I think she does the cooking in exchange of free room or something like this.
I used to go to a much nicer hotel still in Les Lilas but now they do not accept you if you are accompagnated by an Asian girl, (they had trouble with the police as none of them are legal migrant).
Denis

[QUOTE=Jeanmi]Which hotel did choose whith the 2 chinese girls ?

JeanMi[/QUOTE]

Denis,

Have you tried to have anal sex with any of the Chinese girls?

If yes, what's the price you paid?

At your sense, are they safe of sexual disease?

Why the police doesn't arrest them like they did with east european girls 2 years ago?

JeanMi
I have not ask for anal as I am not into anal
I think they are probably safer than other SW as they are not into drugs.
The Chinese are very quiet and do not cause any trouble in general and seems not to be sex slave as much as the eastern European.
Denis
[QUOTE=Jeanmi]Denis,

Have you tried to have anal sex with any of the Chinese girls?

If yes, what's the price you paid?

At your sense, are they safe of sexual disease?

Why the police doesn't arrest them like they did with east european girls 2 years ago?[/QUOTE]

today i was driving on the n6 from brunoy to the n104 and i saw 2 not bad looking girls just before the access to the francilienne.
i stopped and got a very good cbj for 30€ by a big booned romanian with enormous firm tits.
the funny thing is that the other girl came with a customer and she started a bj few meters from my place , so if you are into peeping it is a good place!
denis

Denis,

Do you know if Chinese girls are present during the night ?

If they aren't, until what time are they present ?

JeanMi

Hi,

I am new in the area, I will go to France to Paris to be more exact for some months. I want to know everything about french women, please tell me what is the meaning of this phrase: "It's easier in France to have sex for free than paid sex! ?? It some rumors that I've heard: It's almost impossible to ger a decent GFE with pros in France? French women are dangerously oversexed so then it's more easy to score with a non pro rather than find a good scort in the area?

I love all kind of women it doesn't matter for me if they are from China, Southamerica, Eastern Europe etc etc. But in France I want to fuck "French women" obviously.. if I were in China I would fuck Chinese women there without any doubt but in France I want to see why french is called lenguage of love.. and if it is true or not that there's nothing more sexy than hear the sounds and whispers of a french girl while you are making love to her. So please I'm begging all of you guys. Tell me about the situation in france in both ways. With pros and also some tips to score with non pros girls.

I am very young.. have white skin, brunette with dark hair and dark eyes.. I am tall also. I'm Mexican but I can speak english and french. It is true that like scandinavia if you have dark skin you have much more chance to score with the local girls? If that's true then I am screwed because yes I am Mexican but I am white skinned also.

Please guys, tell me some tips about the "Femmes Fatales".

Thanks in advance.

Yes, sex is VERY easy in France ... as long as one has good looks, or dresses elegantly. Wits and humor help. Pick up places is any outdoor coffee terrace or any discotheque.

However, the escort scene is not that good, and it is VERY expensive. Prices are between 200€/hour to 400€/hour!

Regards.

BB


[QUOTE=Strike 69]Hi,

I am new in the area, I will go to France to Paris to be more exact for some months. I want to know everything about french women, please tell me what is the meaning of this phrase: "It's easier in France to have sex for free than paid sex! ?? It some rumors that I've heard: It's almost impossible to ger a decent GFE with pros in France? French women are dangerously oversexed so then it's more easy to score with a non pro rather than find a good scort in the area?
[/QUOTE]

JeanMi
Sorry for my late reply , I was in the US
I do not know if they work at night but I have seen them at 10.00am
Bonne Chance
Denis

[QUOTE=Jeanmi]Denis,
Do you know if Chinese girls are present during the night ?

If they aren't, until what time are they present ?

JeanMi[/QUOTE]

To the mexican guy, there is a shitload of xenophobia in France, I wouldn't be surprised if people mistake you for an Arab, the French have a lot of dislike for Arabs, Oprah Winfrey got kicked out of a Hermes store, her millions weren't good enough for them. Why not try Buenos Aires or something like that? Spain's a better place too.

I was cruising last night by 10.30pm around the Porte Dorée and I could not see any Chinese , in fact I could not find anybody
It is strange that this area is more active during the day than during the night.

it's certainly due that people are in holidays during july & august.
So less activity...

MR

Oprah (whom, of course, nobody here in Europe, I mean continental Europe, would ever recognize) was not thrown out of the Hermes shop (a few steps away from our offices).

She was refused entry because she wanted to shop when the shop had closed (last clients were just paying, and about to leave).

It is true that many French people will be "cautious" with Arab looking people (like in London, no ?), but anybody behaving calmly has nothing to fear in Paris. Unless you go to Pigalle after 6pm.

Drove through porte de saint Ouen late morning a couple of days ago -on my way to the airport and eventually Bangkok hehe!- and saw several girls waiting by the entrance of the peripherique. Black and white might be not too ugly but didn't check properly. Any info about prices and services there?

CBCJ is right, anti arab resentment is very strong in France but middle eastern customers seem to be welcome in paris high end shop. Very hard for an arab to enter hip parisian clubs though.

France has a serious problem with racism, they are just in denial about it, why do you want to go to such a country for pussy? Unless you are very wealthy you will not find good sex in Paris, on top of it, to get good escorts, you need to speak French. Try taking a train to Germany or the Netherlands, there you will find quality women and more reasonable prices.

Senior Member,

Reports: 566 France has a serious problem with racism, they are just in denial about it, why do you want to go to such a country for pussy? Unless you are very wealthy you will not find good sex in Paris, on top of it, to get good escorts, you need to speak French. Try taking a train to Germany or the Netherlands, there you will find quality women and more reasonable prices.

Hi CBGB

Thanks for your messages in fact the main reason for going to France is for doing some work for the company where I work, for a couple of months only, so then I would like to take advantage of it and taste some french pussy at the same time, but if it is too hard to get some decent sex with french women in their homeland, I think in my free time I will travel to get some "lunch" to Netherlands or Germany.

Anyway any kind of information about sex scene in France with pros and non pros is much appreciated.

If you want some information about Mexico do not hesitate in asking me.

The Chirac government pretty much destroyed the scene that existed in Paris. I used to pick up really attractive women around the Arc area, particularly Avenue Mac Mahon(strange to have an Irish name in a French city), I picked up quite a few Sorbonne students. I was in Paris last October and the only thing I saw were Paris' finest in uniform. There is a club called Le Baron, but it is ridiculously expensive. Paris can be quite fabulous but you need a fabulous bank account to enjoy any of it, just like New York City. I might be a little harsh about the racism part, the UK is probably worse right now especially with what happened in London.

Strike,

it's the year of Brazil now in France and not only the girls are in, also are the guys. If U have a latino look and can dance salsa go hang out in those latino parties, many local girls obviously looking for latinos or black south american. Los Mexicanos in the 9th arrondissement is crowded on every brazilian night (sunday, wednesday and one more) and there seems to have many of those places going strong at the moment.

CBGB is right again in that parisian life can be fabulous, especially if u have money. Again when it comes to clubs entrance policies are sometimes complicated to fathom and expect to be turned down in a few places - Baron for instance.

I passed today Porte Dorée and I was amazed to see so many Chinese walking and working between the Porte de Charenton and the Porte de Saint Mandé.
I counted at least 25, most in the mid 30/40 but saw 2 younger ones.
I could not resist and took one to the usual hotel.
As always , excellent service for 40€,
Do not rememebr her name but she said she arrived in France last week-end.
I thought they were all on holidays in August but I was wrong
guys enjoy!
Denis

The impression I received from French women is that they tend to prefer their own kind. Iused to have the impression that France is supposed to a liberal society but most of my personal experiences there have been the complete opposite. Very rarely do they interact in a positive way with foreigners, unless they look like they have a lot of money. Latina women are the best in the world with regards to their interactions with foreigners, I have been to Brazil and Mexico, and am planning to travel to Argentina and Chile later this year. I have Latino type of appearance(maybe this is why I do well with Latinas), I spent most of my life in New York City, my mother is a dark skinned Sicilian woman(I got my ethnic looks from her), and on occasion I have gotten very unfriendly stares from gendarme and security at top Paris clubs. Then again I go to Italy and get treated like family, which is interesting because the mainland Italians look down on Sicilians and those from the South of the country. It reminds of Spain where the light skinned Spaniards discriminate against the darker ones.

I went into a bank in Paris to exchange money, the lady at the bank eyeballed me in a very unfriendly way, as soon as I showed her my US passport, the expression on her face completely changed into the biggest smile I have ever seen. I knew at this moment she thought I was the "rich American" and I guess compared to this woman or any of the others in this bank I earn as much as 20 to 50 times their income from my own business. I go out of my way to avoid golddigger types like that lady.

Many many possibilities for sex in Paris!

And you do not need to be as rich as CBGBConnisur for a good fuck.

For instance you can have a look at the following websites:

[url]http://www.niamodel.com/menuniamodel.php[/url]
[url]http://www.leguiderose.net/[/url]

You need to register (for free) for the 2nd one but you will find some reviews in english.

Do not hesitate to contact me for help or translation

Denis,

The last time I tried a Chinese of Porte Dorée (2 weeks ago), she said that the usual hotel in Les Lilas has been closed by the police Is it right?

In your last report you said you tried one Chinese in this place some days ago, so why did she said that ? I was obliged to pay 35 euros for the hotel near porte dorée (or 63 euros after 5 pm) instead of the 20 euros of les lilas.

JeanMi
Last week the hotel in Les lilas was still operating (the one run by the black guy), The other one in Les Lilas does not accept you anymore if you come with a Chinese girl. Maybe she got confused or wanted you to go somewhere closer.
Denis

[QUOTE=Jeanmi]Denis,

The last time I tried a Chinese of Porte Dorée (2 weeks ago), she said that the usual hotel in Les Lilas has been closed by the police Is it right?

In your last report you said you tried one Chinese in this place some days ago, so why did she said that ? I was obliged to pay 35 euros for the hotel near porte dorée (or 63 euros after 5 pm) instead of the 20 euros of les lilas.[/QUOTE]

The scene in Paris has went very downhill since 2001, I recall in that day before the Euro, I found it easy to find wonderful women around the Arc area. I stayed in Paris for a couple of days last November and found that the scene has went downhill, the quality of the women around the arc area has dropped, they are older and less attractive.

Christina is a Polish woman in her early 30's with a gorgeous body and an attractive face.

She offers incall in Champs-Elyses area. Outcall is also possible.

Very good service and no options: A-level, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, COB are included.

English speaking.

Her websites: [url]http://www.escorteparis.com/escort-christina.html[/url]

I used to have boxlike attitude, when in France I expected a French working girl, in Germany I expect a German, in Russia a Russian. This was five years ago, not I know better. But I have found all of the above in various places around the world. I met a gorgeous French lady in a lounge in Singapore.

To complete the previous report from Montechristo2:

- [url]www.leguiderose.net[/url] is mainly about Eastern European escorts 'touring' in Paris, amongst other western cities. You'll find there very complete reports, incl. specialities description, unfortunately most of them are in French - and I personaly suspect the ones in english to have been taylored by the ladies' mamasans. Don't expect finding a gem under 200/220 € first hour, 300+ 2 hours. A lot of qualitative contacts. English widely in use. You'll generally have to book in advance (one day is enough) and give the agencies your mobile phone number to get the various SMS about confirmation, re-confirmation, adress details, etc. I've had some excellent experiences, but not for cheap.

- [url]www.niamodel.com[/url] is another, more 'home-made' portal. All kind of styles and beauties, rates varying in function. Direct phones, some 'agencies' as well. You'll have to speak french most of the time for contact. To sum-up: cheaper, amateur-ish, but working as well!

I confirm: these websites lead to the easiest ways to meet the most gorgeous / interesting ladies in Paris (and Lyon, Nice, from time to time). Despite (due to?) insane policy regarding prostitution in France, there is a huge demand of Ladies and the system, which seems so far being free of legal risks, is booming. I hope this won't hurt the high morality requirements of French political leaders.

Rgds,

Green Banana

Now that September is here and Paris is reopening, I would appreciate any recent information on the Massage scene. Two years ago, I found two or three on Rue Rodier in the 9th.

Thanks

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The Chirac government pretty much destroyed the scene that existed in Paris. I used to pick up really attractive women around the Arc area, particularly Avenue Mac Mahon(strange to have an Irish name in a French city), I picked up quite a few Sorbonne students. I was in Paris last October and the only thing I saw were Paris' finest in uniform. There is a club called Le Baron, but it is ridiculously expensive. Paris can be quite fabulous but you need a fabulous bank account to enjoy any of it, just like New York City. I might be a little harsh about the racism part, the UK is probably worse right now especially with what happened in London.[/QUOTE]

Just to avoid you and others some embarassing situation : Le Baron is no more the place you knew...
It has been sold and is now a very fashionable "people" club...
Prices are very high but no more for same purpose...
No more working girls 'official" here...
doesn't mean you won't see one but mostly high end escort brought to the place by their "rich friends"

Gentlemen,

I have a five hour layover at CDG shortly. I would welcome any advice as to how I might get a little "entertainment" to pass the time.

Is there anything available near the Airport, or is a trip into the city necessary? Any guidance much appreciated.

With so many disorders in CGD, your 5 hours will pass very fastly!

I don't think that you will have time for some "entertainment".

Didier

[QUOTE=Baldoon]Gentlemen,

I have a five hour layover at CDG shortly. I would welcome any advice as to how I might get a little "entertainment" to pass the time.

Is there anything available near the Airport, or is a trip into the city necessary? Any guidance much appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Baldoon;
If you like Big girl you can check this link: [url]http://www.eskort.fr/[/url], she is near CDG airport 10 minutes by cab
If you do her please report
Denis

Hi Gents

I am off to Paris again soon, visit the place 5-10 per year, and have never tried any pro's there. Based upon the reports in this forum, the pro scene seems to be non-spectacular and expensive.

Now what about non-pro's ? Can somebody tell me what a good club/bar would be to hunt for the over 30's ? I am early 40's, so the clubs for the young crowd is not my thing.

I travel extensively in central europe, so if you need help on Hungary or Poland let me know (pro and non-pro scene).

Any suggestion would most welcome.

Thanks

Pleasure

Was in Paris the other week and noticed that the Rue St Denis was quite lively. A number of porno video stores, strip clubs and places advertising Thai massage, etc.

My question is, is there any decent action here or is it more like London's Soho - rip-off clip joints.

Dirty Den,


The rue St Denis is more rip off than anything else, as mentioned in many other posts of this thread (just browse a few pages)... Unless you know the place very well and can discover the hidden gems (which is not the case for occasional punters like you and me).

Had a short trip in France this summer.

Met a black girl at "Porte la Chapelle" on the "Marechaux Boulevard". She was waiting at the phone boot close to the parking building.

She was in her 20s with a very nice body, great firm tits, round nicely shaped butt and a great shaved pussy. Had CBJ and doggy fuck on the rear seat of the car in a nearby parking. She was very skilled, with good ball and black hole massage while blowing my dick.

She only works on week-end and truly deserves a shot!

Yesterday I was cruising around the Porte Dorée and it seems that most of the Chinese girls have migrated between now Pörte Dorée and Porte de St Mandé.
I pick one named Aue.
I had her before and ask her why they moved from Porte de Charenton Porte Dorée, she said because a lot of Police, in fact now they use the pedestrian underground or the pedestrian bridge (coulée verte) to go from one street to an other and the police car can not follow them easily
You will find many near the Swimming Pool and Bld de la Guyanne
Concerning Hotels now they are using hotel such as the one Rue Dugommier, near the avenue Daumesnil.
Denis

Hey guys, it will be my first time in the City of Lights, so any suggestions will be helpful in terms of where to go to get some pussy.

Rue St Denis- how is it now? Are there any F/S providers there at all?

Pigalle- dangerous and dirty, or a red-light heaven?

I am looking to spend about 100-150 Euros, so I am not on any budget, but I cant afford much more than that, the question is can I get good quality at that price and if so where and how?

SWs are cool as long as they are clean and I wont get mugged.

Also I speak no French other than Parlez-vous Anglais.

[QUOTE=Green Banana]To complete the previous report from Montechristo2:

- [url]www.leguiderose.net[/url] is mainly about Eastern European escorts 'touring' in Paris, amongst other western cities. You'll find there very complete reports, incl. specialities description, unfortunately most of them are in French - and I personaly suspect the ones in english to have been taylored by the ladies' mamasans. Don't expect finding a gem under 200/220 € first hour, 300+ 2 hours. A lot of qualitative contacts. English widely in use. You'll generally have to book in advance (one day is enough) and give the agencies your mobile phone number to get the various SMS about confirmation, re-confirmation, adress details, etc. I've had some excellent experiences, but not for cheap.

- [url]www.niamodel.com[/url] is another, more 'home-made' portal. All kind of styles and beauties, rates varying in function. Direct phones, some 'agencies' as well. You'll have to speak french most of the time for contact. To sum-up: cheaper, amateur-ish, but working as well!

I confirm: these websites lead to the easiest ways to meet the most gorgeous / interesting ladies in Paris (and Lyon, Nice, from time to time). Despite (due to?) insane policy regarding prostitution in France, there is a huge demand of Ladies and the system, which seems so far being free of legal risks, is booming. I hope this won't hurt the high morality requirements of French political leaders.

Rgds,

Green Banana[/QUOTE]I can concur with Green Banana - have used [url]www.leguiderose.net[/url] for escorts in Paris. Have found the reviews to be fairly reliable(found the english reviews to be OK too) - which have lead to using two sites, [url]http://www.vip-luxury-companions.com/[/url] (around 200 euro for an hour) & [url]http://www.club111.com/index.php[/url] Both very good experiences with minimal hassle. Expensive, but excellent experiences. Do have to give up cell phone # for confirmation though. Can make reservation on the web which is convenient. Typically all will speak English well, and are in suitable hotels (mostly incall.). Overall, low hassle, good experience.

It is difficult to find a nice girl at Saint Denis street. The most concentration of SW are on "rue Blondel". In my opinion, the best one is Lola. A bonde girl, standing at the right corner Blondel-Sebastopol. She works from Tuesday to Friday from 6 p.m . to 1a.m.

The situation is very difficult in Paris and all french cities, as police do not let prostitutes work easily. Brothels are totally prohibited in France, so never go in thailandese massages in rue Saint Denis, or do not follow any guy in the street in Pigalle. They are all rip off. The only sexual practice is the swing clubs. If you are lucky perhaps you can find some women accepting gang bang. I do not have the adresses, because i went there just one time, and the establishment is closed now. The adresses given by Green Banana are ok. You can find too some interesting ads at [url]http://www.missive.info[/url]

Go to adult ads.

Some girls speak english, or many other languages.

You must speak french to understand the ads, or use a translator.

good hunting!

I concur totally with Bernare... Other than a few SW, who may or may not be women, the P4P in Paris is pretty hit or miss... At least compared to German cities with the FKK and brothels... not to mention, NL with it's legalized prostitution.

The best sex that I've ever had in Paris, other than when I've imported a girl from EE specifically for the week, is at the sex clubs. Many allow single men and there have been several reports by myself and others over the years. For the most part, the good ones remain. Search out Paris swing clubs on this site and you'll find the name/addresses and many other details. You may have to search the archives, but the info is still basically correct. You can also do a google search for Paris, club privet or exchangeist. The spelling may not be correct but you'll figure it out.

However, be warned that you may pay your money for nothing because you never know who will show up at a club. You may have multiple experiences with several beautiful women or your only opportunity may be with a 60+ y.o. hag. You just never know.

As a Frenchman, I do agree with CA Traveler : the best places for sex in Paris may be the swingers' clubs. Just browse the web for "club échangiste" (to get the spelling right) and you'll find pages of addresses. Alternatively, you can buy "Pariscope", the weekly leisure magazine in Paris where these places advertise in the last pages.

The best places (as mentioned a few months ago in this forum) : Le Pluriel, Le Prélude, La Cheminée, L'Escapade (my favourite), L'Overside, Le Pélican, Le quai 17. All are centrally-located in Paris, but you have to check when you can go single. You may end up lost among a score of other sex-hungry males, but chances are that, on a good day or night, a couple will want to share their pleasure with you.

I was around the Grand Boulevard yesterday and I noticed that a lot of mid aged Chinese SW were around the metro Bonne Nouvelle and Strasbourg St Denis.
Also around the Porte de St Mandé and Porte Dorée, I counted more than 30 + the ones already in business.
Most of them are 35+ but you can fnd some much younger one if you are lucky.
Today I picked a skinny well dressed and well markup mid 35, and took her to the local hotel; she was good and did everything to please but did not allow CIM . (I am not into anal before someone ask)
Denis

Following the famous Kaleu's Club list of Germany, I enjoyed making the Routard's Club list for Holland, as well as for Belgium (see the Netherlands and Belgium threads).

This is the complete list of french swinger's club in Paris and surroundings.

Let me be very clear: there are no brothels, pick'up bars, massage parlor sauna or any other public places that offer paid sex in France. Paid sex can be offered outside with street action, in a private appartment or at your hotel with an escort, BUT NOT in a public place. If it is offered, it can only be a ripp off.

In a swinger club, once the entrance is paid, sex is offered for free. But for a single, it is hit or miss. Sex is not guaranteed. A good advice for a single is always to call before, and be smart dressed, it will be easier to enter. Avoid the afternoon's, there will be mostly singles.

L’Abys
13 rue d’Argenteuil Paris
Phone : 01 42 61 68 28
Open : Daily 4pm-8pm and 10.30pm till…
Homepage: [url]www.l’abys.net[/url]

Aphrodite
70 avenue Kleber Paris
Phone : 01 47 04 00 00
Open : Daily 11am-9pm

Atlandide Sauna Hamman
13 rue Parrot Paris
Phone: 01 43 42 22 43
Open: Daily 12am-10pm
Entrance: 20€/single 18€/couple
Misc: sauna, hamman, solarium, video, bar

La Caverne de Venus
114 avenue André Morizet Boulogne
Phone : 01 46 04 13 08
Homepage: [url]www.lacavernedevenus.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Sat 2pm-7pm and 9pm-1am Sun 3pm-9pm
Misc: bar, hammam, sauna

Le Chateau
103 rue Marcadet Paris
Phone: 01 42 58 13 01
Homepage: [url]www.chateau-donjon.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Sat 10.30pm-5am
Entrance 80€/single 60€/couple

Les Chandelles
1, rue Thérèse Paris
Phone : 01 42 60 43 21
Homepage : [url]www.les-chandelles.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Fri 4pm-9pm Mon-Sat 10.30 till…
Price : 0€/couple afternoon 72€/couple evening 36€/single afternoon 100€/single evening

La Cheminee
11 rue des Fossés Saint Marcel Paris
Phone : 01 47 07 66 66
Homepage : [url]www.club-cheminee.com[/url]
Open : Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun 4pm-8pm Tue, Thu, Sat 12.30am-8pm

Chris et Manu
5 Rue Saint Bon Paris
Phone : 01 42 72 52 18
Homepage : [url]www.Chris-Manu.com[/url]

Le Cinq Et Plus
5 Rue de la Famille Aribault Emerainville
Phone : 01 60 17 30 08
Homepage : [url]www.le5etplus.fr[/url]
Open : Wed, Thu, Fri 4pm-8pm Daily 9pm-till…

Cris et Chuchautements
9 rue Truffaut Paris
Phone : 01 42 93 70 21
Homepage : [url]www.cris-et-chuchautements.com[/url]

Club Deux Plus Deux
9 Bouleveard Edgard Quinet
Phone : 01 43 35 14 00
Homepage: [url]www.2plus2.fr[/url]
Open : Daily 2pm-till…
Misc: restaurant

Au Dix Bis
10bis rue du Débarcadère
Phone : 01 45 74 12 32
Homepage : [url]www.au10bis.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Fri 1pm-7pm and Tue- Thu 10pm-till…for couple+single
Fri-Sat 10pm-till… couple
Misc: restaurant

Emmanuelle Club
24 rue Vavin Paris
Phone ;: 01 43 25 76 93
Homepage : [url]www.emmanuelleclub.com[/url]
Open : Tue, Fri, Sat 10.30 pm-till…couple; Mon 9pm-till…Tue, Fri 4pm-8pm, Thu 1pm-8pm, Sun 7pm-till… couple+single
Misc: restaurant

L’Escapade Club
8 rue Le Regrattier
Phone : 01 43 25 76 93
Homepage : [url]www.lescapadeclub.com[/url]
Open : Daily 10pm-till…couple+single
Entrance: 65€/single 20€/couple

Le Four à Pain
19, rue Guy Moquet Paris
Phone : 01 42 29 07 30
Homepage: [url]www.le-fourapain.com[/url]
Open : Tue-Sat 2.30pm-7.30pm 9pm-till…Fri and Sat evening couple only
Misc : restaurant cabaret

L’Hyppocampe Paris
11, rue Pixerecourt Paris
Phone : 01 55 96 20 34
Homepage : [url]www.hyppocampe.com[/url]
Open : Wed-Sun 2pm-7pm 9.30pm-2am couples only Fri afternoon and Wed-Fri evening
Misc: Sauna hammam

L’Hyppocampe Saint Maur
25 rue Jules Ferry Saint Maur
Phone : 01 55 96 20 34
Homepage : [url]www.hyppocampe.com[/url]
Open : Tue-Sun 2pm-9pm 9.30-2am couple only Wed afternoon and Wed, Sat evening
Misc : sauna hammam

Club Nautilus
18 Rue Feydeau Paris
Phone : 01 40 41 98 58
Homepage : [url]www.lenautilus.net[/url]
Open : Mon-Fri 1pm-8pm Wed-Sat 10.30pm-til…couple only
Entrance: 47€/couple afternoon 62€/couple evening

No Comment
36 rue de Ponthieu Paris
Phone : 01 43 59 23 95
Homepage : [url]www.nocommentclub.com[/url]
Open : Wed-Sun 11pm-till…couple only
Entrance: 68€

Les Nuits de Venus
9, rue du Pelican Paris
Phone : 01 40 13 98 77
Homepage: [url]www.lesnuitsdevenus.com[/url]
Open : Daily 4pm-8pm 10.30pm-till…couple+single

Overside
92 Rue du Cherche Midi Paris
Phone : 01 42 84 10 20
Homepage : [url]www.overside.fr[/url]
Open : Mon-Tue Thu-Sat 10.30 pm-till…couple only Wed, Sun 8.30pm-till…couple+single
Entrance: 63€/couple only 48€/couple 96€/single

Au Papillon
84 rue Saint Honoré Paris
Phone : 01 42 36 37 26
Homepage: [url]www.lepapillonclub.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Fri 1pm-7pm Mon-Sat 10.30 pm till… Thu afternoon only for couple
Entrance : 0€/couple afternoon 40€/couple evening 30€/single afternoon 85€/single evening

Au Pluriel Club
13 Rue François Miron Paris
Phone : 01 40 29 07 52
Homepage: [url]www.plurielclub.com[/url]
Open : Tue-Sun 7pm-2am
Misc: buffet

Le Prelude
1, Rue Richelieu Paris
Phone : 01 42 60 31 60
Homepage : [url]www.le-prelude.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Fri 4pm-8pm 10.30pm-till… Sat 10.30pm-till Sun 4pm-7pm 8pm-till
Entrance: 0€/couple afternoon 31€/ couple evening 30€/single afternoon 85€/single evening

Quai 17
17 quai de l’Oise Paris
Phone : 01 42 05 64 64
Homepage : [url]www.quai17.net[/url]
Open : Tue-Fri, Sun 9pm-till… Sat 10pm-till…couple only Wed
Entrance: 50€/couple 100€/single

Le Roi René
184 avenue de Versailles Ville d’Avray
Phone : 01 47 50 25 30
Homepage : [url]www.roi-rene.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Sat 9am-till Wed 1pm-7pm couple only Fri and Sat
Entrance : 50€/couple 100€/single

Au Sultana
62 Rue Jean Baptiste Paris
Phone : 01 48 78 15 75
Open : Daily 11am-9pm 10.30 pm-till…
Homepage: [url]www.lesultana.com[/url]
Entrance: 0€/couple afternoon 50€/couple evening 70€/single afternoon100€/single evening
Misc: Jacuzzi, hamman, sauna

Ray et Maya
19, avenue Quihou Saint Mandé
Phone : 01 43 28 20 24
Homepage: [url]www.raymaya.com[/url]
Open : Mon-Fri 5pm-8pm 10.30pm-till…Sat 10.30pm till…

Sauna Club Provence
66, rue de Provence Paris
Phone : 01 53 20 06 27
Open : Mon-Fri 10am-9pm Sat Sun 11am-9pm
Misc: sauna hammam

Club Treize
13, rue Dussoubs Paris
Phone : 01 40 28 13 69
Open : Mon-Fri 3pm-7.30pm 9.30pm-2am Sat 9.30pm-2am
Entrance: 0€/couple 25€/single afternoon 55€/single evening