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I have moved this FAQ to its new and proper place on the new FKK topic section .
I hope that others will also post their FKK reports in the correct topic sections all of the most popular clubs are listed seperatly and the smaller or less popular ones under a general heading .
But as the popularity and quality go up and down this might need to be updated later if certian clubs start to get large posting .
Wizard

Wizard,

A lot of usefull info in that one post.

I do hope people read it and get used to this new forum,

I have now also moved the PartyTreff FAQ to its new specail topic section .
Please post your Partytreff experinces and questions in this special section.
Wizard

Hi everybody.
Can anybody give me some good tips in the Karlsruhe area?
Especially I am interested in independent girls.
Thanks.

Meanwhile I managed to meet a girl in Bruchsal,not very far from Karlsruhe.She is not so young,33,but she has a very nice and firm body and she is absolutely nympho.She does everything and she does it with pleasure,OWO,CIM,Anal,whatever you wish she does it and the best is that she speaks english.
http://ewelina9.tripod.com
She worths a visit,believe me.

I'm visiting Germany on a business trip this week, staying in Dortmund and Bielefeld, and prefer to see ladies outcall to my hotel. I can't find any agencies or independants advertising on the internet - does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks a lot.

Outcalls are not really popular in germany. In the two medium size towns you are in have virtually no decent Outcall service.

In the "Bild" newspaper under the "Hallo" section there are advertisements for outcall girls to. Otherwise you can buy "Happy Weekend" where there are more ads with pictures.

It will cost you a fortune though.

The much better deal is FKK clubs. Between Bielefeld and Dortmund there is a great little FKK called Parkschloss Dali in Marsfeld. It is open till 4AM and if you have a rental it should be easy for you to reach. There are better FKK's, but this is the best in your area. Check out the FKK Club section and follow the link to Kaleu's home page (CFIT). he has the best info available in English.

Any suggestions for the northern part of Germany?
Some small nice "house" with providers in the countryside?

/HornySwede

For street prostitution, I found website in German telling you the streets to go in several cities and town of Germany and neighbor countries: www.strichweb.de. Might be helpful. I never tried to take a girl from the street.

I found a site with detailed informations, pics, phone numbers and services at http://www.intimes-revier.de

Nearly all cities of the area of NRW.

The best board,like this here word wild wide,is for germany http://www.hurenforen.to
There you can catch all the inf ormation that you need.
It's mainly about frankfurt,hannover,berlin,...

Manolo

Gentlemen,
Your help is appreciated. Where is the sex capital in Germany? Should I go to Frankfurt, Munich or Hamburg. Please advise. I'm interested in just about everything from private apartments, FKK clubs and street scene.
Regards

What I think is that these are only commercial services trying to do what this guide is doing better since a longer time. (And furthermore they try to make you download files to execute that disconnect you and reconnect to their expensive phone numbers... so be careful on these sites!)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Manolo
[i] http://www.hurenforen.to [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Herrman
[i] http://www.intimes-revier.de [/i][/QUOTE]

boofer:

I have no experience with either private apartments or the street scene in Germany, but I can tell you that you would be better off overall if you forgot all about Hamburg and Munich and concentrated on Frankfurt, and possibly the rest of the Rhein-Ruhr area (Bonn, Köln, Düsseldorf).

I've heard that the sex trade in Hamburg exists for one reason: to rip off tourists.

As for Munich, it's located in Bayern, which is one of the more conservative German states. You may be able to find good action there, and you may not. To my knowledge, there is *one* FKK club of note in Bayern: FKK Sylt, located in Nürnberg. I've been there; it's a nice place to try if you happen to be in the area.

Stick with the FKKs located along or near the A3 corridor between and including Frankfurt and Düsseldorf, and you can't go wrong.

I've never tried the Red Light district in Frankfurt, but I know of some people who've had good times there. Finally, I know of a fellow who did very well well with the private apartment scene in Dortmund and Köln.

Good luck.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gg76italy
[i]What I think is that these are only commercial services trying to do what this guide is doing better since a longer time. (And furthermore they try to make you download files to execute that disconnect you and reconnect to their expensive phone numbers... so be careful on these sites!)

[/i][/QUOTE]

"Hurenforen" is not at all a commercial service, it's a free board like this one. I'm also registered there and know a few people posting there face to face. There are about 8-10 free boards in Germany which deal with prostitution, red light districts and FKK Clubs, all of them are non commercial. Due to the laws in Germany these boards have to use adult verification systems, but all of them are using 2 or 3 different systems and one of them (Ueber18.de) is for free.

cu
kaleu

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arnie
[i]To my knowledge, there is *one* FKK club of note in Bayern: FKK Sylt, located in Nürnberg. [/i][/QUOTE]

There is a second FKK in Munich/Parsing which got a few good reports on German boards. I know 3 or 4 women who relocated from Atlantis to this club, because it's a bit more expensive and they earn more money there. So regarding service, you can sometimes expect good FKK standard, but at a bit higher rates than in the area around Frankfurt.

[url]http://www.cfit.com/kaleu/deutsch/detail.php?area=Deutschland&file_name=fkk-oase-sudfass[/url]

cu
kaleu

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaleu
[i]

There is a second FKK in Munich/Parsing which got a few good reports on German boards. I know 3 or 4 women who relocated from Atlantis to this club, because it's a bit more expensive and they earn more money there. So regarding service, you can sometimes expect good FKK standard, but at a bit higher rates than in the area around Frankfurt.

[url]http://www.cfit.com/kaleu/deutsch/detail.php?area=Deutschland&file_name=fkk-oase-sudfass[/url]

cu
kaleu [/i][/QUOTE]

Yes you find lots of great information about the FKK clubs and Germany if you go to this link. And then to the web site and tour company that it will send you. But you should know that they are very very pro Germany, Germany is the greatest place for girls in the world in their eyes and can do no wrong. Everything is always positive about Germany, the FKK, and the girls. So that raises the question is the information all based in fact or is it posted to sell more tours?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hookup
[i]

Yes you find lots of great information about the FKK clubs and Germany if you go to this link. And then to the web site and tour company that it will send you. But you should know that they are very very pro Germany, Germany is the greatest place for girls in the world in their eyes and can do no wrong. Everything is always positive about Germany, the FKK, and the girls. So that raises the question is the information all based in fact or is it posted to sell more tours? [/i][/QUOTE]

Well I have only eperenced one FKK (Fkk 35) so far and no one has steared me wrong. I have the privelage of living here and on vaction back to the states i could not bring my self to visit an estabalisment there . Why waste the money??

I fgured i would have a better time here .

I have even visited a brothal here a bit cheaper but not the quality of an fkk but still better than the US but be warned ... the Germans in these estabishments do not give the same service.

I have got a lot of useful info from kaleu Peter and Wizard.

You will find nothing like Germany (IMHO) .. if only i could speak German the fun i would have ... so many choices ...

Germany is 100 percent high quality place for sex, a lot of people don't want to believe that but it is, the country is filled with beautiful women, from all over the world. In many ways its like the United States, you see women from everywhere in this country, the difference is that IHMO they are much friendlier than North American women and often are less pretentious and love to have fun.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hookup
[i]And then to the web site and tour company that it will send you. But you should know that they are very very pro Germany, Germany is the greatest place for girls in the world in their eyes and can do no wrong. Everything is always positive about Germany, the FKK, and the girls. So that raises the question is the information all based in fact or is it posted to sell more tours? [/i][/QUOTE]

Let's get a few things straight, dude:
1. I'm independent
2. I have to sponsor webtraffic with some banners
3. I'm living in Germany and have good experience on FKKs for over 6 years now and it's a good place for paid sex for sure
4. My site will not "send" you "to that tour page" if you don't click on that link by intention
5. Have you ever been to a German FKK, if no, you should come here and have a look and not write such a post without knowing what you are talking about
6. If you don't like my site and the information on it, don't go there :D
7. You can crosscheck and verify the information and the reports there on many German non-profit boards (but I'm pretty sure, because they are using an adult verification system - which is because of German law - you'll tell us, "they are profit organisations and want to sell something", right :D )

cu
kaleu

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaleu
[i]

Let's get a few things straight, dude:
1. I'm independent
2. I have to sponsor webtraffic with some banners
3. I'm living in Germany and have good experience on FKKs for over 6 years now and it's a good place for paid sex for sure
4. My site will not "send" you "to that tour page" if you don't click on that link by intention
6. If you don't like my site and the information on it, don't go there

cu
kaleu [/i][/QUOTE]
Kaleu Dude, your right let's get a few things straight.

Never said I didn't like your information, read the post again. By all means use banners as sponsors on your information page. Never said Germany is not a good place for sex. But from your own site information:

"Time for a trip of a lifetime? These guys make it happen!
Interested in a 7 Day, 5 nights tour to the German FKK clubs? Click here!
You are on a business trip and interested in a 1 or 2 Day individual tour? Click here!"

These are not banners a banner is what is located at the bottom of your web page. These are imbedded links that take you to:
http://www.jrssg.com/ and http://www.**********.com/tour.htm

Which seem to be the same company? What is your tie in with them? Maybe you are the local guide? The readers of this board have the right to know if you are really independent or if you are taking money from this tour group. Because you can't be independent if being paid by a for profit group. OK Dude

I for one would like to add my 2# worth
I know that Kalue's site servers all of us intrested in what goes on in Germany and is a valuable asset to have and thankfully its all free .
I have met Kalue and I know he is for real and tells the truth he has spent a lot of time and effort to make this site what it is today.
As to him having banners and linking to commecial site I am afraid that this is an intergral part of life in the internet .Sites cost money to keep and run and by adding these banners he is able to give us this usefull infomation for FREE and keep his site running then this is a very small price to pay .And as Kalue stated you dont have to click on the banners and you wont see the adverts for trips to Germany etc.
It takes a lot of guts energy and courage to set up and compile such as site and all I can say is "Hats off to Kalue and three cheers"
I wish there were lots of others sites like his.
I still use his site as a recommendation for those loads of guys who still contact me off list who are looking for infomation on the wonderfull German FKK scene.
And if there are some guys out there who dont like it, then dont visit. No one forces you to enter his site .
I will continue to use it for my research and info
Keep up the good work Kalue
Wizard

Funny that hookedup would found dexterhons page via Kaleu... i found Kaleu via this forum... He gives adresses links to the fkk clubs and prices if known also he gives you some of the German Terms all usefull info

My hat is off to you Kaleu keep up the good work

There are enough various other opions on this forum you can judge for your self what is usefull and what is not. K

In exploring both **********s site which does have a a free section too. you will also find usefull info if you want to go it alone or with a tour.

If everything was just there to make a profit you would not find the adresses of these places or the names. Thats just my opion.

@Kaleu or any one could you let me know what these terms mean...AV-Spezialistin, NS ggs., KV,
frz. optimal, uvm.

thanks for all the help....
maybe we should now move on to more important things again such a reviews of clubs and such :)

CT1

As for the ********** site Yes they are a very commercial organization and very manipulative I once used to be a very active member of their site and even had my own special pages.
They were always blowing hot and cold one day it was luvy dovy with Eric Dexter and SP writing personal letters of encouragement then the next I would get a nasty letter "from the management" talking company policy B\S .
This went on for quite a while till Eric Dexter made some very insulting remarks behind my back to another member and removed MOST of my pages. It’s their site and they can do what they like with it but I will not post on a site that I am not welcome. .
And since then I have never posted to there again and don’t even bother to surf their site anymore .
I thought that this might be of interest to some of our members anyway maybe some of you will become a bit more cautious.In entering any financial dealings with them
They have loads of rules and regulations and G*D help you if you try and arrange a trip in competition with THEM.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wizard
[i]As for the ********** site Yes they are a very commercial organization and very manipulative ....

Wizard,
Would like to make something very clear, overall I find the ********** board to be a great board with lots of information. I have never had a problem with any staff member and overall have always found them to be very helpful. The Asian part of the board is the best that I have seen and I really like the format because it is easy to use. It's not just a message type board like WSG, which I also find to be very helpful. My comments below are about the German threads on the board, they just seem to be to pro Germany and never a bad word posted about Germany on them. Nowhere in the world can you travel and it always is great & prefect. It calls into question the value of the Germany threads only on that board. I would recommend the site; the videos, books, and Asian Tours offered but would not do the same for the German side of the operation. Well it’s just my opinion and that’s it wanted to be clear to the readers of WSG. And no I’m not anti Germany I’m not anti anywhere I believe that great sex travels can be found all over the world and what one person believes is great another may not we all have the freedom to travel as we see fit.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hookup
[i]What is your tie in with them?[/i][/QUOTE]

My tie to them is, that they give me the webspace and the traffic for free, therefore these links have to be on my site. I don't get paid by them nor do I have to pay them. Also, you'll not find reports from me in English boards, only in the German discussion boards, that means I'm also not the public relations department of DH tours, nevertheless I think, their board is not bad and the descriptions and reports on German FKKs is quite good. On top of that, as some other guy mentioned, if the board was only meant to get people to buy the tours, there would never be information on addresses or itineraries on that board, right?
Something you should also keep in mind, if somebody visits a FKK for the first time and so far only knew US RLDs, he'll go nuts in his report, that holds true for the German first timers in our boards as well, maybe that's why you have the impression that there are too many good reports. But if you have a closer look, you'll also find quite a few warnings and negative things about German FKKs.
If you compare my reports with reports of other German posters (in the 3 or 4 most important boards, there are about 5000 registered users!!!) and then with the reports on DH, you'll see, that there is no need to write up the German FKK scene to get peoble on their tours. Keep in mind, that a lot of the posters in the German boards can compare our local RL scene with Thailand, Brazil, Cuba, Mexico and so on and you'll see, it competes very well.
For example this German Board (there you'll find links to all other important discussion boards.

[url]http://www.roemerforum.de[/url]

That was my last post on that off-topic!

cu
kaleu

[quote]originally posted by ct1
[i]@kaleu or any one could you let me know what these terms mean...av-spezialistin, ns ggs., kv,
frz. optimal, uvm.
[/i][/quote]

some explanations regarding expressions often used in the advertisement of clubs and girls in german magazines and newspapers.
zungenküsse - french kissing
französisch total* - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth
französisch mit aufnahme - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth she won't swallow
französisch mit schlucken - blow job without condom and you can come in girls mouth she will swallow
französisch beiderseits - the sixtynine position
französisch pur - blow job without condom
verkehr - intercourse
gesichtsbesamung - cumshot in the girls face
körperbesamung - cumshot on the girls body
natursekt (short ns) - [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url]
anal (av) - anal, buttfuck
gegenseitig (ggs) - both sides
kaviar (kv) - eat sh** :-((

* often this is subject to discussion. there are also other expressions like 'französisch perfekt' and
'französisch optimal'. it is a good idea to ask in advance and explicitly ask the girl if you can come in her mouth. some have a different interpretation of this service, depending on how they name it.

Thanks Kaleu ...

For info on all areas - http://www.lusthaus.net/ is a useful resource - free German forum broken down by area.

A bit disorganised but is worth looking at to check for rip-offs, recommendations etc

The land of fine sports cars and beer, Germany offers several choices for pleasure. Germans are fanatics about details and getting what you pay for. It's very apparent the first time you step foot into an (FKK) club and join in the fun. If only the rest of the world knew what German men were doing on a lunch hour. Not only is it affordable, the women are some of the best quality you will find in Europe. Prostitution is legal in Germany when located in approved areas. Most of the action takes place in the north western part of the country. It's best to travel by car if your visiting the Sex clubs or FKK's. The majority of the Malls and Red Light Districts are near the railway stations. The currency is the D mark about 1.8 per one US dollar. Most Germans speak English. Sex Clubs and bars are usually situated in large homes or buildings where the women are dressed in sexy lingerie. (FKK clubs) the women are totally nude wearing only high heels. Red Light Districts consist of Malls and Brothels. Malls are similar to RLD's as you find women working in windows. Brothels are usually large apartment style buildings where the ladies stand or seat in the doorways awaiting a customer when available.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doombringer321
[i]The currency is the D mark about 1.8 per one US dollar. Most Germans speak English.[/i][/QUOTE]

Oooppss, you are not really up to date :D Our currency here in Germany is the EURO for more than 9 months now.
I doubt, that most of my German fellows speak reasonable English, maybe in big business cities like Frankfurt, so better don't count on that.

cu
kaleu

can anyone that lives in germany and is up on current news shedd light on this story, I was watching CNN and the newsline that runs at the bottom of the screen reported that doctors or authorities in germany were saying that sphyillis and other sexually transmitted diseases are spreading fast in Germany and they are fearing HIV and AIDS are not far behind,I saw this story about a week ago. I am not reporting this as a alarmist,I am just concerned, I enjoy traveling to Germany and enjoy the FKK's and the sexxxy ladies. and I remember a post by Kaleu very recently saying that the girls that work at the FKK's DO NOT have to be tested for any sexually transmitted diseases ever and they still can work at the FKK's as long as they want. and of course the men that go to the FKK's just come off the street to the clubs being very anonymous, I enjoy the setup being anonymous but should anyone be concerned about this story that enjoys the clubs also..

Hi t-rex,

what I read was: "Federal health authorities, fear, that the number of new infections COULD rise!"
There seems to be a slight increase in the number of infections compared to the last 5 or 10 years.

Check this newspaper out in German only:

Regarding Germany:

[url]http://www.faz.net/IN/INtemplates/faznet/default.asp?tpl=uptoday/content.asp&doc={E7D0781F-512A-4FBD-83A2-AEB0B19036C5}&rub={C3344BAF-B8AA-41EC-817B-46CFA0B44EEA}[/url]

What WHO says regarding the worldwide situation:

[url]http://www.faz.net/IN/INtemplates/faznet/default.asp?tpl=uptoday/content.asp&doc={5FBB2407-9A89-4A96-A20E-76CD5BA722BF}&rub={C3344BAF-B8AA-41EC-817B-46CFA0B44EEA}[/url]

A good source is also the WHO surveillance report page:

[url]http://www.who.int/emc-hiv/[/url]

or this page:

[url]http://www.unaids.org/[/url]

Worst situation at the moment seems to be in former Eastern Europe countries, Africa and China.

I guess, the young generation, who did not have the AIDS "shock" in the eighties, is not very much aware of the risk they are taking when having sex without a condom and changing partners.

Anyway, no matter if you go to Brazil, Thailand, the Philipines or Germany or somewhere else in the world for paid sex, you always take a risk. You can try to reduce that by always using a condom, but everybody has to face the fact, that this protection can never be 100%. There is always a little risk left. If you don't want to take that risk, you should stop going to prostitutes immediately.

What I cannot understand from my own experiences and when you read reports on newspapers: There are still a lot of stupid guys out there, who want to have sex with a prostitute without condom. All I can say to these guys is: "Wake up and face the facts!"

cu
kaleu

Hi Kaleu, when you say stupid guys having sex with a hooker without using a condom,are you talking about intercourse (penis in the vagina without wearing a condom) or BBBJ (girl sucks penis without condom) which is oral sex, how about french total (male cums in the mouth of girl) I am not mad or being rude,I just interested if you think BBBJ or French Total is being stupid. if any guy has this done to him by a hooker at a FKK CLUB, I think BBBJ is OK but French Total is a different situation,I very much enjoy FT,if any guy can resist FT with a sexy beautiful girl at a fkk,you will have to have great Will Power. Kaleu thanks for the good information. P.S. any news on FKK OASE #2 near Aachen??

[QUOTE]Originally posted by t-rex
[i]are you talking about intercourse (penis in the vagina without wearing a condom)[/i][/QUOTE]

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

[QUOTE][i]
P.S. any news on FKK OASE #2 near Aachen?? [/i][/QUOTE]

Yes, but nothing good, the authorities of Roetgen (that's the town near Aachen, where the club should be located) are trying to change the way the area can be used (industrial use, residential and so on) where the club should be located. If they succed, it'll not be possible to open the club.

Unfortunately only in German again, but [url]http://www.worldlingo.com[/url] works quite well on webpages:

[url]http://www.an-online.de/sixcms/detail.php?template=an_detail_standard&_ressortname=Eifeler+Nachrichten&_omsrubrik=localnews&_ivwrubrik=newsregio&id=67469[/url]

They have a second option. A court in Koblenz said, that a town with less than 50,000 inhabitants can simply forbid a ***** house/FKK-Club:

[url]http://www.aachenernachrichten.de/sixcms/detail.php?template=an_detail_standard&id=69009&_ressortname=Eifeler+Nachrichten&_omsrubrik=localnews&_ivwrubrik=newsregio[/url]

cu
kaleu

Greetings,

The information about Germany in the ************* is outdated.

The Federal Parliament (Bundestag) of the Federal Republic of Germany has ratified the ProstG (Gesetz zur Regelung der Rechtsverhältnisse der Prostituierten - Prostitutionsgesetz; Law about regulation of the legal rights of prostitutes - Prostitution Law) on December the 20th 2001, effective as of January, the 1st, 2002.

Article 1 says:

§1

Sexual acts performed with prior consent to a fee result in a legal claim. The same applies when a person, especially in a job-relationship, keeps herself/himself ready for a certain period of time for such actions.

§2

The legal claim can not be transferred to other persons and can only be claimed on your own name. [The law even regulates warranty issues!:] A claim according to §1 Sentence 1 can only be denied on total, according to sentence 2 also partial, denial of service. With exception of §362 BGB (Agreement not fulfilled) and overaging of the claim, no other reasons for not paying are excluded. [This includes bad service and so on]

§3

[...] does not contradict [...] social insurance.

Promotion of prostitution is redefined in a way that only limiting the free movement or worsening the economical situation of a person is illegal.

Sorry for not providing English original texts, but i couldn't find any on the net.

Guten Tag!

Ich bin ein Americaner und Ich sprecke ein bischen (ein kleines bischen) Deutsch aber nicht sehr gut fur die madchenen.

I have seen the glossary on sex terms but I want to sweet talk the ladies. Mein Deutsch ist von der Oberschule. 30 years ago. so its likely to be to stilted and formal. I want to talk to them the way they want to be talked to. I want to get the sexual slang, too. Even if they speak english, the more natural german, the better. I can look the words up but that is likely to result in wierd sense.

Wie sagt mann:
you are beautiful (du bist hubsche? formal oder informal?)
you smell nice
shall we go (to have sex)
are you available
you have wonderful hair

Danke
Peter

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JT.
[i]Do you have to have a prescription for it? How much is it? [/i][/QUOTE]

You need a prescription and it's about 140 € to 160 € per 10 pills (50mg per).

cu
kaleu

[QUOTE]Originally posted by petedragon
[i]Wie sagt mann:
you are beautiful (du bist hubsche? formal oder informal?)
you smell nice
shall we go (to have sex)
are you available
you have wonderful hair
[/i][/QUOTE]

Ok, here we go:
First of all if you use "DU" it's always informal and you usually only use it with well known persons and in this case in clubs as well.

If used formal, you would use "SIE"

You are (very) beautifull ->
Informal: Du bist (sehr) hübsch.
"hübsch" is weaker than "schön", which is the direct translation for beautiful -> Du bist (sehr) schön.

Formal: Sie sind (sehr) hübsch.

You smell nice -> Du duftest gut.

Shall we go -> Sollen wir (aufs Zimmer) gehen?
("aufs Zimmer" -> to the room -> I guess it's nicer than "to have sex" :D and she knows what is going to happen in the room right? ;) )

Are you available -> Hast du Zeit?

You have wonderful hair -> Du hast wundervolles Haar.
you could also say: Du hast wunderschönes Haar.

Some more words of "sweet talk":

You have a nice smile. -> Du hast ein nettes Lächeln.
You have sweet dimples. -> Du hast süße Grübchen.
You have soft hands. -> Du hast zarte Hände.
I like your voice. -> Ich mag deine Stimme.
You have wonderful eyes. -> Du hast wunderschöne Augen.
You have very soft and sensitive lips. -> Du hast sehr weiche und gefühlvolle Lippen.

Hope it helps!
cu
kaleu

I've been looking into the FKK's a lot. However, what I'd really love to find, is a girl who'd come back to my hotel with me. What kind of odds do you think I have? Are there street girls to pick up (I'll be in Cologne if that helps)? Or, do you think that one of the girls from one of the FKK's or houses would come back to my hotel for the night? I know it may cost more, but is it possible? Also, where is a good place to find street girls in Cologne? Thanks for any info!

Rob

Hi Rob,
Street girls are not good and the FKK's will not go to the Hotel. Maybe for a lot of money only?

But it should be no problem to find a girl. You have only to make a phone call. So please buy in Cologne the newspaper "Bild" and or "Express". In both are a page with a huge amount of models and clubs. Please look for "Haus und Hotelbesuche".

Zambo

Thanks for the info. I assume that that is some type of escort service like we have here in the states. What type of cost do you think I'll be looking at? I just don't want to get too expensive...

Rob

The cheapest escorts start from 200 € per hour for outcall.

cu
kaleu

I have a couple of questions. This same question I posed on the Argentina board: Are they places that specialize in older women (40+). I know it's kinda strange, but that's my preference. Also, being African-American, I have to find out what places to avoid in Germany, like East Berlin, for example. Thanks.

anybody know how to find massages in smaller towns (not just berlin, münchen, etc.)?

are the newspapers good places to look for ads?

foss

BILD is the newspaper to get and check out the "Hallo!" section. There are tonnes of ads for girls in appartments. I would recommend FKK's and there check out Kaleu's site. It lists them all by postal code.

The newspapers (BILD) tend to have ads in city's with over 400,000 people.

Hope this helps

Peter

All you nice people,

Call me dumb but will somebody please tell me what on earth FKK stands for? My guess is fickenklubkarte :)

Thanks in advance...

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[i]All you nice people,

Call me dumb but will somebody please tell me what on earth FKK stands for? My guess is fickenklubkarte :)

Thanks in advance... [/i][/QUOTE]

If you go to the special German FKK posting area (one down from the German section you are now in) and scroll down to the two first posts in the General FKK posts you will find a very informative post dated 05 21 2002 and another from Kalue 05 29 2002
Where all will be revealed
Next time let your fingers do the walking and it would help if you looked and posted in the correct area ie the German section for street walkers :regular brothels :private apartments:girls : strip joints and red light districts etc
And the FKK area for FKK clubs and partytreff etc of course in their respective specail sections of the board.
If everyone tows the line it will make it a lot easier for all to navigate and find the infomation they are looking for rather than have to sift through loads of differnt headings

Have anyone had any experience with this girl who is supposed
to be from Germany. www.tyralegs.com. I am interested in what
kind of services she provides and your feedback.

I have no personal experience with Tyra. She used to work in the area around Mannheim, but at the moment she has moved to Munich.

There have been 2 or 3 positive reports on some German Discussion Boards (from not well known posters) and a lot of negative reports.

Compared to other places in Germany like FKKs, malls and so on she is very expensive (almost the level of professionals in the US). You should consider if it is worth the money. No question, the look is great, but for the money you'll have to pay for one night with her, you could fly to Rio for a week and have 10 garottas with better looks and very likely better service.

cu
kaleu

Last week staying at a Frankfurt Hotel, I saw a flyer for a FKK club new to me :
Club-diskret in Hanau (close to Frankfurt)

As we all know about the excellent places in FRA area, it is always interesting to know about new places.

So question : had anybody experience about this place and what is your opinion.

Any info is welcome.

Happy new year to everybody

Hey fellas,

This might be a stretch, but does anyone know of any action near Goslar? (in the Kassel area) I have to go there on business...

THE **********.COM LIE

Surfing the web the other day I came upon the ********** site. Owned by some idiots named Eric S. Drexler and Peter Stanton who pretend to do all us mongers a service with their AKA's Eric Dexter and Mac Horn.

One of their side kicks Todd Williams or "FishingTime". used to post on this board till his strange antics got him thrown out.

The ********** site has quickly gone downhill since it's opening and appears to only have fresh info from it's multi handle staff who downgrade all other destinations in the world in favor of Thailand. Is it possible they sell Thailand books and videos?

I felt it compelling to post some recent threads by Eric and Todd, note Eric has been (1) once to Germany several years ago and Todd "Fishingtime has NEVER been to any of the German FKK clubs.

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ERIC AND TOOD POSTS:

One of his recent tricks was to start a thread on the Germany board in which posters discussed the pros and cons of going to Germany vs. Thailand. Of course, anyone who defended Germany got bashed by Eric and Fishingtime. Here's what Eric had to say on the subject:

"...the only thing you're right about is we are all different. I was in an FKK once and there was one Asian girl from Thailand and the rest were the typical big and ugly, smoking like chimney girls from Europe sitting there on the couches. You had to wait in line to bang the Thai girl. And, she wasn't all that great. She wore glasses, so so body. Just read the Thailand section a little more and you'll see how many guys have had better luck. Plus, WHY aren't there any pictures of girls from germany on this board? Probably because the guys are too embarassed to show us what they REALLY look like there. In the Thailand section there are hundreds of girls from Asia and video clips of Thai girls banging each other and dildo fucking themselves and each other as well. This is hot stuff. An FKK girl basically sits on a couch, smokes her 8 packs of cigarrettes a day, and starts her "sex meter" as soon as you touch the girl on her tits or pussy, or she starts touching you. Your bill starts then. You can't back out because you've touched valubale realestate. Then you go upstairs and the clock starts. Oh, anal is extra, cumming in the mouth is extra, extra extra extra. Then, if you're lucky she'll go over the 30 minutes and the guys will be so happy and tell all his friends that he had GFE because she sat with him for an extra 10 minutes. This is so fucked up compared to the easy going, party atmosphere you get in Thailand. In open beer bars you can meet thousands of girls and talk to them all night, touch them wherever you want, fondle them, have a good time and not once will you get a bill for that. Maybe buy her a drink that costs $2. If you like her and you think she likes you, you can take her out of the bar, back to your room or wherever you wish to get to know her better, walk along the beach, go to dinner and then make LOVE to her back at your room. Wake up the next morning and have her sucking you off, cum in her mouth, all for the one low price of 1,500 baht which is about $35. Yes, we are all different. I'm not telling you or anyone that they must go to Thailand in order to enjoy themselves but i like to rave about a great thing and inform others what I've found to be true or false. If you've never been to Thailand and only have gone to Germany, YOU ARE MISSING OUT BIG TIME. "

And here's this gem from Fishingtime:

"You really can't compare the sex scene in Thailand to that of Germany. Germany is very limited in your choices, you have the FKK clubs but they are like islands in the middle of the ocean. With nothing of any interest around them for the traveler. You drive to the club and that is it, once you pick a club, you don't know how many girls are working or what they look like until you pay to enter the club. With the rise in the value of the Euro these clubs are not cheap you pay top dollar.

In Thailand you have the massage parlors with 50 to 150 girls in the fish bowels, no charge to enter, come in have a drink and look around if you don' t like what you see more on. In most cases you will have 3 to 15 Massage Parlors all located together so you have many options. Cost wise no comparison here, and the massage sessions are 90 minutes vs. about 30 minutes in the FKK and no entry fees.

If you don't want to go the massage route, many Go Go Bars to choose from all with no cover charges and all with between 10 to 200 girls in them. And again if you don't like what is in the first club the next one is only a few feet away. Not like the FKK that are many miles about from each other.

If you don't like Massage Parlors or Go Go Clubs many, other options also present themself to you. When you are in Thailand, it is all about having many choices to select from. Everything seems to just be on a better level than in Germany; from the food, to the lodging, to the girls.

Cost has to be a factor no matter what anyone tells you. A Thailand trip just makes more sense based upon the cost issues alone. Tourist are very safe in Thailand, and Bangkok is safer than any major city in all of Germany. In Thailand the only problem you have with racism is that non Thais pay a little more, that I can live with. Skinheads running around and attacking tourists is something I cannot live with. Overall the Thai people are just much more friendly than in Germany.

Germany has only two plus from what I have seen. You are a little closer to Europe and the United States and you have a choice of women from many countries. About location, the air travel really doesn't trouble me with five trips already in a year. If you are in a good elite program, you are always upgraded any ways. The women from the world that you find in the FKK are not representative of the countries that they come from, and they are very hard and cold. So I don't see the fact that you have all these different girls as a benefit.

Now if you want to talk about a lot of girls, in Pattaya alone you have more prostitutes than in all the FKK clubs in Germany combined. And that is just one city in Thailand. I have been to Germany and in the FKK clubs as well as in Thailand many times so I feel I can post here. If you have not been to both countries, you really should not post in this thread. Just seeing Thai girls in an FKK club no more makes you knowledgeable about Thailand than the guy that sees the 300-pound German girl in Phuket an expert on Germany."

Hmmm. I've been to Germany seven times now, and I never had the problems these guys had.

____________________

Interesting is the fact that Eric sells a Germany tape, probably the best tape in his collection. In that tape he verbally confirms how great Germany is. SO is this guy a liar, an idiot or trying to sell Thailand after it's fall from grace with SARS?

If anything I had to laugh and not take anything said at ********** seriously.

I saw those same posts and they caused me to wonder. The ********** staff members have repeatedly said that their goal is to have the biggest and best website of its kind in the world.

But how can they do that when they use their website to promote one narrow agenda and then attack anyone who doesn't agree with it?

How can they expect to grow if they keep insulting paying customers whose only "crime" was to have a different opinion? I certainly wouldn't pay to join that website after I saw how those two guys went after some of the posters.

The only guy worth his salt there seems to be this English guy Robuk. I enjoy his reports very much. Any way you guys could get him to abandon ship and join here? Any of you guys have posting access to extend an invitation?

ATTN Dr Skank
I was in Göttingen recently and found that there is a club called chaetu and it has about 5 women there most from ukraine the price sceam is 80 ½ hour and 160 full. There service is not great but if you are stuck here it is a option. I had Nina she said it was here first time she was new and I belive it only because it was very okward but maybe a more aggressive guy could have a real good time with her just a tip if you are passive she is nice to look at but not very expearianced in the bed. there is also a sauna that I have not tried in kassel off of 49 kassel negtznegin or somehting. I have also in Gottingen been to a sex park 50 euros a pop but very por choice i think go ttinen is about 20 min north of kassel on a7.

for those of you with the thought that germany has unrestricted speed limits on the autbahns this site is very usefull. especially for the people that are renting cars.

http://home.att.net/~texhwyman/autobahn.htm#regs

Hi,

I am a new comer to this site!

I read very nice reports. But I have one question. I cannot tell difference between Sex mall , brothel and Eros Center. Are they all same? Which is the most favorite near Frankfurt main Station?

Thanks!

Paid a weekend visit to Flensburg, had a good time in the regular nightclubs and discos on Saturday night had to work at it a bit though. On Sunday tried club Pentagon nice decor but poor choice of women all old and loads of miles on the clock also pricey 200 Euros for 1 hour.

trying to answer your question fast ferrari. in germany eros-center normally refers to houses which could have some kind of sex-movies or peep show downstairs and upstairs single-room appartments with women waiting for customers. brothel i.m.o. can refer to the clubs which can charge some entrance fee and sometimes are located in or near residential areas with a less outside outside decoration. there you probably find 5-10 women who expect that you are not only staying for 5 minute fuck like in the eros-center but to have a drink and spend some more time and money. i cannot imagine anything under "sexmall" and never heard it here. for the best place in frankfurt, how about reading in the frankfurt section, i am not coming from there. frankfurt itself has eros-centers and all kinds of entertainment.

Hi

Can anybody recommend any good sauna clubs in Berlin? Also if there any rules that needed to be abided by.

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Visiting Berlin Nov. 6-9 with my very hot girlfriend. Looking for bi-girls, looking for bisexual providers, or hot amateurs for girl/girl photo shoot.

Would appreciate provider recommendtions suggestions, as well as discos or swing clubs where bi girls would be approachable.

Many thanks.

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I am wondering if there is anything to report in Bamberg? From a keyword search it doesn't look promising. So, if anyone has anything to share on this city in northern Bavaria, please post.

Thanks,
V.

I have been trying to make car reservations for 3 days around new year in Frankfurt.

For full size car (mercedes c) the cheapest I have found is US$315 for 3 days on Hertz. Sixt is more expensive.
And that's for a manual transmission (which I have never driven). Also no navigation system guarantee.

Can someone give me an idea of current taxi fares from downtown frankfurt to Atlantis and Oase and World.

I know taxis are not cheap, but if the difference between car and taxi isn't great , then I would prefer not to drive.

Thanks.

bad ass- the most that I've ever paid per day with unlimited mileage is 70 Eur about ($85) and usually it's about Eur 50 so that price of yours seems out of sync. Try ordering via internet, it should be less - I don't take the top level vehicles since I never spend too much time in the car anyway. I don't know what this should cost over New Year's.
I haven't taken a taxi in awhile; price to Oasis would be in the neighborhood of 50 - 60 Eur each way, Atlantis the same or a little more. World is further away so figure at least 80-90 Eur each way. Oase is fairly convenient by public transportation from FRA, so that may be an option for you - you'll find detailed instructions for that elsewhere in these pages...good luck

FadAss

Not being able to drive a stick shift is killing u to the tune of an extra hundred for the rental...

Alamo has a 3 day deal at the airport around those dates with automatic for $275. You can secure this deal using the Yahoo! Travel site. Use MapQuest for ur directions and u won't need navigation.

NB

NB,
I tried the Yahoo site, but didn't see the deal for automatic, nor did I see a way to chose stick vs. automatic.

I had no idea that Mapquest worked for Germany.
Good idea!
Thanks.

Cash-strapped city to levy sex tax:

Reuters
BERLIN, December 23

The German city of Cologne is resorting to a "sex tax" on brothels to boost its revenues after national reforms left local authorities short of cash.

City authorities confirmed on Friday they were extending the existing "pleasure tax" -- already levied on casinos and amusement arcades -- to brothels, erotic massage parlours and table-dancing clubs.

Cologne expects to triple its pleasure tax revenues, Inge Schuermann, a city spokeswoman said.

"This is about making taxes fair but also because we are more than up to our necks in financial problems," she said, shortly after Germany's parliament approved the country's biggest welfare shake-up in decades.

Under Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's reforms, taxes are to be distributed to ensure local authorities receive a greater share of revenues. But Cologne, Germany's fourth largest city, said that was insufficient.

"The government's reforms are clearly not enough to provide a solid financial basis for local authorities," Schuermann said.

Under Cologne's plan, pleasure tax gains will triple to three million euros (1.85 million pounds) in 2004, when the tax is extended to cover "dancers, displays of people and similar activities with the aim of achieving an erotic effect". Cologne's total tax revenue in 2002 was around 1 billion euros.

One worker at the city's Colonia nudist sauna said: "This will have a negative effect on businesses throughout the sector because we'll have to put up prices to compensate. Lots of businesses will complain about this and try to block it."

Schuermann said the city had received no formal objections since the idea was first made public in May.

Prostitution is legal in Germany and prostitutes already pay tax on their income and a value-added tax.

I lived in Germany a few years and occasionally visit on business. My information on specific opportunities is stale, but I can offer some perhaps useful general info. In all the major cities one can find in the sex shops a "Stadtplan fuer Maenner" (City Map for Men) which gives a very useful detailed overview of the "Kaufliche Liebe" (Love for Hire) in that city. Speaking of stale, the maps have not kept up-to-date and are typically only 80% accurate, I think. Also, fair warning, they are written in German. However, they are still useful to the newbie or the non-German speaker -- e.g. the map with its symbols is self-explanatory.

The best city overall is Frankfurt, in terms of efficiency and value (the ratio of quality to price). One can read in WSG about the FKKs and brothels, but I have little to add except that the brothels have deteriorated over time, perhaps the women are less and less inclined to take the risks of this profession. The second best city is Berlin, with its bars and "sex kinos". Third is a tie among Munich, Cologne (Koeln), and Stuttgart -- among the cities I know about. Hamburg is way overrated with its Reeperbahn, it is mostly a cold hearted ripoff.

Hi guys,

I'm now staying for a while here in Germany and I want to know about any good places in Köln, Aachen or Düsseldorf. I would really appreciate any help.

Is anyone interested in trying to arrange a threesome (me, you and the girl). I'm in Germany 18-22 March Giessen/Dusseldorf and have in mind a couple of girls (Valeria, Cindy) recommended by Freiclub who do more two or more men. Private Message me

German Guy - better than asking for new info is to read back through all the reports. Some places with good reviews are FKKs Cocoon and Planet Happy Garden, and Swingerclub Beverly near DD. .
Use websites such as sexrelax in conjucntion with forums like Lusthaus, Roemerforum, and Rheinforum.Freiclub might be worth paying the sub for If you're in Germany for a while you should be able to decipher the meaning quicker than I can. Good luck

Hi German Guy,

Check Antoniusstrasse in Aachen, cheap place but some ladies are OK. Much more action you find in Cologne. Go to Hornstrasse in Nippes and find "Pascha" and "Das Bordell" with nice girls for 50 € suck & fuck!

Enjoy,

The AF

Hello Fellow Travelers,

I thought I would post this link to a very comperhensive 'alternative' german dictionary for the language challenged. It has come in very handy for me in the past.

As I am preparing for a trip to Germany myself here in a few months I've been boning up so to speak on my Deutsch.

Hope it helps

http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/German.html

Nice one, Flyer....been needing this. Danke schon.

NB

I will be visiting Germany in June:

Munich -- Nuremberg -- Frankfurt -- Dusseldorf

I have heard of the famous German FKK clubs. But they seem to be out of the city center and you need a car or expensive taxi to get there. Then you have to pay entry fee. Then get a taxi back! Also I do not speak German, so might get ripped off.

Are there "windows" in German Red Light Districts in the city center, similar to those in Amsterdam, den Haag, Brussels etc?

I have heard of "eros center" -- is that girls in windows?

If so, please give locations or useful web sites.

Thank you,

Alfy

Alfy,

If you want a high chance of getting ripped of go for Window girls. Even if you don't speak german your chances of getting ripped off in FKK's is relatively low.

Chakc out the FKK section, there are a number of clubs which can be reached using public transit and short taxi trips from many of your destinations. Some very well known posters travel exclusively with Public Transit and manage to get to some decent clubs.

Hobbying in Munich is BAD, Nurnberg not too great.

Frankfurt has many options with a huge RLD right by the train station with at least 20 buildings full of window girls. I don't recommend it, but some people like it.

Duesseldorf is all about the FKK's. Wildenrath, Planet Happy Garden and Babylon are all close enough (and can be reached with public transit (Cocoon in Wuppertal too)). There are also 3 pretty well known FKK's in the city limits, Dolce Vita, La Bedo and Tropicana. They are certainly 2nd tier, but still better than Window girls.

Hope that helps.

Peter

Hello,

Can anyone tell me why I am having such a difficult time calling Germany from the US? Does it have anything to do with perhaps that some numbers begin with 0 ? What does the number consist of? an area code and phone number? and how many digits for each? I know numbers in D-dorf begin with 0....for example 0211-9653730, this is the number to Blue Note. So I dial 011 49 and then the number and i get an American recording that the number is incorrect. If I leave off the 0 before 211, I get a Vodafone recording that tells me I have reached that number but it leaves off the ending number.

I can call Estonia and Croatia with no problem, but this number is giving me fits.

Anybody know what I am doing wrong?

Thanks.
NB

Drop the 0... if the number os 0221... Then dial 011-49-221. THat will solve your problems.

Thanks Valmont,

What I think I am getting now is a Vodafone recording for a voice mail box. However, when the recording gives the number I have reached, it drops off the last digit. Any clue?

It's a mobile phone I'm calling and I guess it's turned off.

Thanks for the help.

NB

I'm guessing it's turned off NB... that would be my guess.

Thanks again Valmont...much appreciated.

NB

Hi folks!

Going to Munich in a few weeks and have taken a look at the rotelatern.de site. Found a few attractive girls at the following address: Machtlfingerstrasse 12 / EG rechts
im Bel Etage.

The first part of the address is ok, however I don't have a clue as to what "EG rechts im Bel Etage" means. Anyone care to help me out with this?

Thanx in advance!

Peace.

BB

BB,

This belongs in the Munich Section.

EG means Erdgeschoss - Groundfloor.

I assume Bel Etage is the name on the door.

Peter

Peter,

Thanks for the help.

The reason I didn't post on the Munich section is that it was really a request for translation rather than specific Munich help. I thought it might be of interest to others as to what "EG" means.

The second reason that I didn't post it in the Munich sectioin is that its a little dead...

Appreciate your help.

BB

BB,

The munich section is dead because the hobby sucks in that town.

However, I assume that a report from you will soon bring the section back to life. Let us know if there is anything worth visiting from Rotelaterne or other Munich Addresses.

Peter

Peter,

Munich is not my destination of choice, but of necessity (work). My "window of opportunity" will only be one afternoon out of three days. I keep reading that Munich isn't too good for hobbying, but there seems to be an abundance of providers, at least judging by the rotelaterne site.

Anyway, should I hobby (I'm certainly going to try) there'll be a post of my experience within a few days of my return in mid-May. However, I think it'll take more than a single FR from me to liven up the Munich section.

Appreciate your help and comments.

Stay tuned (in mid-May).

BB

From several experiences of traveling to Germany, the best places for sex are two regions of Germany, the NRW or Ruhr area and the Frankfurt Hesse region. These two areas have clubs called FKKs where the women are completely nude or scantilly clad and prices per session range from as little as 30EU per session up to to 80EU at some of the more top of the line clubs. These two regions offer the best quality and best value for paid sex in Western Europe.

I consider the following clubs as best five clubs I have visited in Germany:
FKK Babylon in Elsdorf
FKK Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf
FKK Oase near Frankfurt
Bernds in Hennef Lichtenberg
Planet Happy Garden near Oedt

I would have also recommend Atlantis which is near Frankfurt, but this club has been shut down.

The next days I'll be in Bremen. Any information about local escorts?

Thanks

The German government announced this week that all businesses which have more than 10 employees must offer OJT and other training positions. The government says this edict extends also to the FKK's and the brothels.

The government says, however, that Prostitution is not a "profession" as such. Last I heard in bible class, it is still the oldest profession.

I wonder if the "trainees" will give discounts.

The University of Hamburg has just completed studies which prove that engaging in regular sex makes you smarter.

If I had a million quid, I'd be working myself on up to the same IQ level as bloody Al Einstein.

Hi,

I am just wondering if any one at this forum can help me, I am looking for lactating women in Germany ready to nurse (preferably not pregnant but women after giving birth), I know you would think I am pervert and it is weird to think like this but I always had this fantasy to breast feed on lactating and nursing women (I have tried that in Amsterdam but to no avail)

I will appreciate any and all help.

Hi,

Is there any website (with English version) for Germany and its FKK as http://www.ignatzmice.com is for The Netherlands with details of places and individuals al as well as place information?

Hope to hear from you soon.

Hi,

Have anyone of you guys any experiance of Parkplatztreffen?

I am a swedish man often driving in north germany and I just heard about it, but never been in contact with this fenomen.

I am really courious about to know anything about it. Please help me out.

@S Feb: Go to www.jako.tk , there you will find links. Here are two:

http://21orover.com/discus/messages/43/44.html?1050811848

http://travelsexguide.tv/germansexguide/fkk.htm

Hessen Bub

Hey ho,

I'm looking for a bbbj somewhere in Germany.

It's a simple question, isn't it? So please help me!

Thanks

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Hey Frenchie,

Sorry, don't take this the wrong way; I don't mean to be rude or smug, just sarcastic...But:

If you are logged into this forum and need to ask the quesion "Where does one find a blowjob in Germany?", well, that is like trying to find a Haystack in a Needle. The info is everywhere.

Now trying to find a proper job in Germany, as opposed to a BBBJ, now that is a more difficult question...

A co-worker of mine recently told me about a trip he took earlier this year to Germany. Essen to be specific. He told me about an establishment there that was called the 'number 8 club'??? Basically, it was a place where men could go, pay a door fee to gain access, you are given a key for a lock box to store your valuables and a towel. Then you go shower/whatever and you hang out with beautiful naked women until you find one who suits you. Then for a relatively fair fee, you can have sex with her. Supposedly there was free drinks and a big screen TV, sorta like a bar atmosphere. And he mentioned that almost all of the women were exceptional.

Has anyone heard of this place? I'm gonna have to head to Germany soon if I can get some more details.

Tang,
I suggest that you READ THE FUCKING FORUM! Your friend described an FKK club. Go back to Europe, click on German FKK clubs, and let a whole new world open up for you. Yes, it's all true.

Iseeu,

Not looking to get into a battle here, but your sarcasm isn't appreciated. I DID read the forums. He told me the name of the establishment was "Number 8" and never once uttered the letters FKK.

Tang,

Visit good old Deutschland and head to FKK World and you will experience the same exact thing your friend described to you.

Have fun.

NB

Hallo meine Deutschen Freunde,

I was using an online translator to email the hotel where I will be staying to make sure I was booked into a non-smoking room. Below is the reply from the hotel, but I'm not sure, when I use the translator, that they got my request correct. Could someone please tell me if they booked me into a
non-smoking "zimmer"?

Thanks.
NB


Sehr geehrte Herr NastyBoy, hiermit bestätige ich Ihnen die Umbuchung von einem Raucher in ein Nichtrauer Zimmer.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Monika

Nastyboy,

This means they transferred your reservation to a non-smoking room.
Take care that in germany, any reservation is supposed to be paid ... even if they can finf a customer for the cancelled room.

NB,

Looks to me like Monika is telling you she changed your booking from a Smoking to a Non-Smoking room. You are all set, mate!

Now, tell us where will you be going and what will you be doing when you leave that non-smoking hotel room?

hi ortos,

thanks for the help.

i got a couple of weeks off in december so i'm gonna hit the fkk circuit in various cities. i like flying into d-dorf airport. it's not as busy as frankfurt airport. first i'm gonna check out the scene at fkk 39 in bochum then drive down to giessen. i'm anxious to see how atlantis is recovering. hope they're getting back up to speed. if not, world is a good stand by. i haven't been to palace so i hope to work that in, but if atlantis is rocking i've always been most comfortable there. i'm renting a mercedes a 140 so it should be good on mileage and if there isn't anything going on in the fkk scene a visit to the bavarian alps should be fun.

nb

i gotta question....

is there a website that advises, informs, and updates autobahn drivers about current driving conditions such as traffic delays due to construction, etc??

much appreciated.

N

Mufu,

Sorry, just noticed. Thanks for the help. I'll be sure to keep mine.

N

NB,

try [url]http://www.verkehrsinfo.de[/url] or [url]http://staumelder.de[/url]

I couldn't edit my first posting.

Of course it´s [url]http://www.staumelder.de[/url]

danke Novize, das ist sehr gut...

A bit of an odd question, but I was talking to some fellow mongers in the area and we had an interesting question, so maybe some of you more experienced and knowledgable guys that are familiar with Germany can help:

Where is a place to look for girl and/or houses that cater to the kinkier, darker, and more taboo side of things? Any website, forum? If you don't feel comfortable giving the answer in an open forum, PM me.

[QUOTE=Valmont]Where is a place to look for girl and/or houses that cater to the kinkier, darker, and more taboo side of things? Any website, forum? If you don't feel comfortable giving the answer in an open forum, PM me.[/QUOTE]

The German web does not contain much because Germany has strict laws regarding adult content on the web. Those laws are a deterrent to people offering sex services through the web. However, prostitution is legal within limits and proposing P4P to a woman is perfectly legal. There are no sting operations although there may be police controls. If police harass you for statements (this may happen if they're trying to indict a woman for performing sexual acts under the cover of a legit massage business), you can send them packing.

Now you specific query. You can buy a magazine called "Happy Weekend", available in sex-shops only. Look at the last section of the mag, the one with the heading "Hostesse". "Hostess" means "pro", as opposed to the ads put by private individuals which take up the first two-thirds of the mag. The ads are classified according to region (region 8 = Bavaria etc.), except the first chapter which is taken up by phone sex ads, which you should ignore for your purpose. The ads are in German but they have pics. You can tell by the pic which type of service is offered. Nearly all ads have a phone number and I gather many of those numbers will have someone able to answer the phone in some sort of English. There is much on offer if you are into BDSM, e.g. plenty of "dominas" (dominatrixes). Don't expect bargains for those special hobbies, however. A typical one-hour dominatrix session costs between 200 and 300 euros. Some dominatrixes are quite successful and hold sessions in more than one cities!

An interesting option if you're staying longer is to try and find a girl that specializes in accompanying single men to swinger clubs. I would recommend searching among the Brazilian expat community in Germany, they're the best value for money. Such a girl will usually charge between 150 and 200 euros, to which you have to add the 100 euros entry fee to the swinger club, but then you'll quickly spend that much if you go out as a single man, and the swinger club experience is an interesting one to have under your belt. There are some smaller swinger clubs with kinky parties (SM, bi) but I was never in one of those. They are not as "public" as the normal swinger clubs and new members are vetted before gaining admittance. I was a regular of "normal" swinger clubs for many years in the late nineties and I can give you some bearings there.

The sex trade is highly regulated by German authorities, and prostitution is legal. The only thing that would get you in trouble is if you solicited a street prostitute, they do exist in some German cities. However the best sex is in the countries FKK clubs which are legal, and there are no issues with law enforcement. The Red Light Districts and Eros centers are other places to find legal sex. There are clubs called partytreffs, usually they cater to couples, but many have nights for single men with hire help brought in. There are escorts available as well but I think this is a waste of time considering the high quality of German brothels.

For a first time traveller here, I have heard that Frankfurt, Hamburg, Cologne and Berlin are all good places to go. There are so many cities in Germany though, lol. Are there particular ones that work out better - safer, cheaper, better looking women, better FKK/Rlds? I can't seem to find anyway. I'm look forward to getting to Frankfurt in about a week! :)

Dr. Luv,

Who gave you that list?

Hamburg is the worst city in Germany for sex. Pure rip off tourist RLD. Avoid hobbying in that town. I do hear that a FKK opened there recently, but toherwise it is a tragedy.

Berlin has tonnes of sex, but not all good. It has a big escort scene, but not all is good. The only club there is La Folie, and it is not really all that impressive.

Cologne has two huge eros centers, but they are useless. Otherwise they have a big appartment scene, and it is tough to navigate as a rookie. Traumparadies is good, as is Samya, which is an FKK. In the general Cologne Düsseldorf area with a car there are a lot of good clubs.

Take the advice of virtually everyone on the forum and completely avoid RLD's except to just see them once.

Frankfurt is good, and the Düsseldorf area is good. Those are the hotbeds, but head over to the FKK section because that is where all the quality non ripoff action is at.

Hi Folks!

I look for an anal adventure in or near Aachen. Does anyone know the places to be?

Cheers,

Ismael

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I would be at Hotel Ibis , Wuppertal soon.

Can anyone suggest FKK's , Partytreff around this area.

It would be nice if you give a little details on price's , service and girls etc.

Also I don't have a rental so a few suggestion's on using the nearest railway stations and public trasport would be really helpful.

check the "Bild" newspaper, in the "Hallo" section.

In Wuppertal is Cocoon. Do a search, the prices are normal for FKK's.

Peter,

Just a comment: I have seen your posts for some time now and they are consistently informative, to the point, and often entertaining.

Please keep up the work and research - it is appreciated.

There is a very consice, neat summary of the sex scene at wikipedia.com:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Germany[/url]

I thought this might help anyone who doesn't know about the scene in Germany.

Hello!

I 've heard that a lot of cameras are installed in the Eros Center and FKKs.

I think it a nice way to keep our and girls' security. But I am concerned on my privacy. I am afraid of my picture being exposed against my willing (ex. as porn pics on the web)

Do you think you have some privacy problem in Germany?

Thanks

Never heard of any issues, nor did I read anything in the German forum's.

Maybe if there is a crime near you and they want you as a witness and they can identify you and contact you (a lot of 'and's. which is all together rather unlikely to happen) you should be safe.

Have fun.

Fast Ferarri,

Germany has very strict privacy laws, and there is no legal way that anyone can show pictures of you in public without your approval. at Big Sister in Prague, you have to sign a waiver. There are also strict laws for tape recording conversations.

Thanks! Peter and #2744

I want to enjoy!

Here is an interesting web page for those who speak a little bit of German: [url]http://www.gesext.de/[/url]. It works similarly to Ebay, but for sex services.

Sometimes you can get a good deal, but sometimes the prices become unreasonable. If you bid, make sure you read the conditions in the add careully.

I bid a few times and was once successful, so far. I spent a wonderful evening in Augsburg...

Guys tell me that this report isnt true, I'm staying in that area and don't want any trouble: taken from frommers web site,

Safety Frankfurt is a relatively safe city, but you should still stay alert at all times. Stay out of the area around the Hauptbahnhof at night, as muggings are frequent.

Bigee,

Frommers is a guide for well heeled people and obviously the red light district isn't the sort of area they want to be hanging out in. Actually the direct red light area is very safe, as crime tends to dampen business. I would follow the advice of everyone on the forum though and avoid the RLD and head to a decent FKK, there are enough in and around Frankfurt, and noone has ever been mugged there.

The area around Gutleutstr. is more the mugging area. The area away from the Taunusstr. (RLD) is not the best place to hang out at night. Just like Port Authroity is not a good place to be in New York at night.

Thanks I knew that it sounded kinda hokey.

Biggee,

Frommers is a guide for well heeled people and obviously the red light district isn't the sort of area they want to be hanging out in. Actually the direct red light area is very safe, as crime tends to dampen business. I would follow the advice of everyone on the forum though and avoid the RLD and head to a decent FKK, there are enough in and around Frankfurt, and noone has ever been mugged there.

The area around Gutleutstr. is more the mugging area. The area away from the Taunusstr. (RLD) is not the best place to hang out at night. Just like Port Authroity is not a good place to be in New York at night.[/QUOTE]

I would just add:

Every time I go to Frankfurt (as often as possible!), I always monger exclusively at the FKKs. However, just like apres-ski activities are to be savoured, so are the apres-FKK. After a heavy, sweaty night of FKK athletics, I always look forward to an hour or two of beer-drinking and kebab eating on Taunusstrasse, literally in the heart of the Frankfurt RLD. Yes, it is a deliciously seedy environment, but unless you are drunk and stupid (I.e. walking around with green 100E notes sticking out of your pocket, etc.), I would describe the area as reasonably safe. I've been going there for years between 02.30-05.00 at night for liquid refreshment and good late-night eating (it's about the only place in town where you can get a decent dinner at that hour), and I've never had a problem. Just keep your head about you, don't engage degenerates in conversations and go about your business. No problem. The place is pretty well policed by the Polizei as well, one should add...

Frommers? Come'on man! That is a book for Grandma!

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I don't know where else this thread might be more appropriate so I'm asking here.

I'd like to know what the best options are for hooking up with normal everyday women for STR's or even LTR. I'm reasonably decent in German (can get by let's put it that way) but am at a loss at the best way to get the foot in the door. Tried the yahoo personals where there are tons and tons of hot chicks listings but got not a single response to about a dozen emails. Way disappointing to say the least. I'm good looking, educated, good personality and so on so I'm just not sure how to go about hooking up.

Is the ability to dance a must for discos? Is going alone into a bar recommended? Any real world advice?

[QUOTE=Whiskerbisket]I don't know where else this thread might be more appropriate so I'm asking here.

I'd like to know what the best options are for hooking up with normal everyday women for STR's or even LTR. I'm reasonably decent in German (can get by let's put it that way) but am at a loss at the best way to get the foot in the door. Tried the yahoo personals where there are tons and tons of hot chicks listings but got not a single response to about a dozen emails. Way disappointing to say the least. I'm good looking, educated, good personality and so on so I'm just not sure how to go about hooking up.

Is the ability to dance a must for discos? Is going alone into a bar recommended? Any real world advice?[/QUOTE]

Emailing a dozen isn't enough. You have to remember the odds are not in your favor to start with. If you search some of the post in the Best Country For LTR thread, you'll see some post about dating non-pros in general and other suggestions.

My suggestion is to go online and find as many women that interest you and email them all. One, two or more of them are bound to be interested. Start some dialog and see where it goes.

I always feel its best to "hit the ground running", having local talent "in hand" already might ruin some key non-pro actitivies, but if that's your focus and you mainly want to monger on the side, then my suggestion is most likely the best way to go about it.

German women looking for American men can be found on American based personal sites, so it shouldn't be THAT hard to hook up. I've had no luck with Yahoo, its worst than Match.com.

I don't hit bars/clubs solo normally, but I haven't been able to get many of my friends interested in going, let alone going to monger, so I have started to plan this as a solo project. On the positive side, being an American solo in a nightclub/bar, might not be so bad afterall.

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[QUOTE=Fast Ferrari]Hello!

I 've heard that a lot of cameras are installed in the Eros Center and FKKs.

I think it a nice way to keep our and girls' security. But I am concerned on my privacy. I am afraid of my picture being exposed against my willing (ex. as porn pics on the web)

Do you think you have some privacy problem in Germany?

Thanks[/QUOTE]German laws about privacy and image rights are much stricter than in USA or UK. But unfortunately cameras are everywhere nowaways. Since the clubs are licensened businesses they are considered public places, just like a shopping mall. However they are not allowed to PUBLISH or distribute your image w/o your consent, and very touchy about that. (No cameras in FKKs except on special camera days with models--rare)

Tapes are supposed to be erased every few days, but who checks?

If you're so concerned wear a hat and sunglasses.

In general security is very good in Germany, crime minimal.

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[QUOTE=Whiskerbisket]I don't know where else this thread might be more appropriate so I'm asking here.

I'd like to know what the best options are for hooking up with normal everyday women for STR's or even LTR. I'm reasonably decent in German (can get by let's put it that way) but am at a loss at the best way to get the foot in the door. Tried the yahoo personals where there are tons and tons of hot chicks listings but got not a single response to about a dozen emails. Way disappointing to say the least. I'm good looking, educated, good personality and so on so I'm just not sure how to go about hooking up.

Is the ability to dance a must for discos? Is going alone into a bar recommended? Any real world advice?[/QUOTE]I'm German born and my home town was Bonn. I go back often as a single man. German available 'good' girls will not be found in bars, which are considered too sleezy and overpriced for decent women. If they ever go to a drinking place it will be a 'Kneipe' or pub, and then in cliques. Even McDonalds, which serves BEER in Germany, are a better pick-up places than bars! -- Best places are actually outdoors, in sports facilities, public in-/outdoor swimming pools (Schwimmbad, all year), cafes, museums, parks, beaches. After dark try discos and you better have rhythm. There's where the locals find dates.

It is totally acceptable for a female to ask you to dance with her, and OK to decline. And vice versa.

Lots of fake ads in Yahoo Friendfinder ect. When recycler was still a paper I got great results with International Ads.

Otherwise advertising in local papers works very well, has been accepted for >50 yrs. But to make it more of a draw, advertise a JOB not a relationship.

Try Annonce.de which appears in print and on the net. Or invest big time and run an ad in one of the large local papers. They're all on the net.

Try: translator, personal aide, housekeeper, maid. You may specify gender and age. And then sit back and enjoy the parade of candidates, all eager to impress you. Set up interviews in a nice hotel lobby or cafe. Then actually hire one if you like her. For a test day or week. That way you know you're getting some girls who are willing to pull a load, not gold diggers only.

And for heaven's sake: don't be shy, you're in Germany where they say: "Frechkeit siegt!"

If that does not work there's always mongering.

What kind of jobs do you have that enables you to travel a lot or gives you the freedom to travel a lot?

Is it possible to add Aachen area in the forum? Aachen is not a big city but due to the unique location, so many foreingers from Belgium, France, Holland are interacting this famours town. Besides, it also has RLD and various clubs. So I think it would be helpful to everybody if we have a special post for aachen.

[QUOTE=Ortos]I would just add:

Every time I go to Frankfurt (as often as possible!), I always monger exclusively at the FKKs. However, just like apres-ski activities are to be savoured, so are the apres-FKK. After a heavy, sweaty night of FKK athletics, I always look forward to an hour or two of beer-drinking and kebab eating on Taunusstrasse, literally in the heart of the Frankfurt RLD. Yes, it is a deliciously seedy environment, but unless you are drunk and stupid (I.e. walking around with green 100E notes sticking out of your pocket, etc.), I would describe the area as reasonably safe. I've been going there for years between 02.30-05.00 at night for liquid refreshment and good late-night eating (it's about the only place in town where you can get a decent dinner at that hour), and I've never had a problem. Just keep your head about you, don't engage degenerates in conversations and go about your business. No problem. The place is pretty well policed by the Polizei as well, one should add...

Frommers? Come'on man! That is a book for Grandma![/QUOTE]A friend of mine who was in the service decided to stay on in Germany. He speaks fluent German, has had a number of German girlfriends, absolutely loved the place.. until one day when he was at the wrong street corner in Frankfurt at the wrong time.

He was hanging out at a street corner in the early morning and was shot in the leg with a 9 mm by someone who walked up to him, mumbled something and then just fired. They almost had to amputate his leg.

The RLD is a dangerous place. The Yugoslavs or Albanians who provide security there are known to be very violent and though they aren't very visible, they are in the background somewhere.

The police investigated it, never came up with any suspects. The motivation is, to this day, totally unknown.

The borders are more porous than one would think and firearms make it across quite easily these days particularly as the conflict in the former Yugoslavia has quieted down.

The only German city I don't feel safe in is Frankfurt.

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22.6. HAMBURG - DISKOTHEK NIGHT FEVER,Nordkanalstraße 46, 20097 Hamburg

23.6. BERLIN - Bikertreff Dorfstrasse 38 Dahlewitz (Berlin south)

24.6. MUNICH - Optimolwerke,Friedenstrasse 10 - by West Main station!

25.6. LEIPZIG - Brühl 57, Beim Fanfest, Mariott Hotel (Stuttgart aus organisatorischen Gründen leider abgesagt)

26.6. COLOGNE - Total Gasstation Aachnerstrasse 752 (near the stadium)

My apologies for using the forum to ask for this kind of info.
I need to fly from AMS to MUC. Does anyone know a low cost airline that flies that route?
PM me to avoid more clutter if you like.
Again, my apologies, and thank you.

[QUOTE=1Ball]My apologies for using the forum to ask for this kind of info.
I need to fly from AMS to MUC. Does anyone know a low cost airline that flies that route?
PM me to avoid more clutter if you like.
Again, my apologies, and thank you.[/QUOTE]

Lufthansa offers special reates of 99 Euro to AMS, but no idea how actually get them. But you might like to check out airline-direct.com, who will research in grey market tickets and regularly find good rates.

Just finished our 2-week FIFA football/soccer World Cup and mongering tour and it was a blast, even though neither England, Australia, USA or Germany won the championship. We all had a great time forgetting our various defeats in several FKK clubs all over Germany. I'm not going to critique any of the venues nor bore you with pornographic details, but here is my very [I]SUBJECTIVE[/I] opinion:

First things first, best service, performances: Oase, Burgholzhausen. This old standby between Bad Homburg and Frankfurt/Main cannot be beat for choice of women, friendlyness of staff or performance and attitude of the naked 'ladies-in-waiting (for you)' .

Best looking girls: Sudfass, Munich: the madam of this smallish club in an industrial area of Munich has managed to assemble and keep a bevy of about 15 butt-naked, multi-ethnic beauties, none of whom were below 7 on a scale of 1-10. But be warned that this is subject to change as the ladies tend to move around a lot since they are free agents, not employees.

Best amenities: Harem, Bad Lippspringe: four (count 'em: 4!) saunas (steam, dry, herbal, 'bio'), outdoor pool, garden, 2 whirlpools in this brand new club located in a remodeled former resort hotel amid a fairy-tale forest.

Best food: also Harem. You order your free breakfast, lunch and dinner from a 6-page menu, and the chef will cook it to order, then it will be served by a waitress to your table, indoors or outdoors. It's fresh, wholesome and tasty. Heavy on the butter and cream, but they also have salads and fruits. All included in the price of admission (32.50 euro with coupon).

Best outdoor facilities: Yin-Yang, Roermond, Netherlands. This spacious FKK facility lies on the outskirts of this typical Dutch city, just across the border from Germany. The former industrialist's mansion on a hilltop has a huge park around it, with no walls or fences to separate it from the surrounding woods and pastures. Barbecue on the terrace, swim in the large pool, get a seamless tan on the lawns.

Best value for money: Hornstrasse, Cologne (Köln). Pasha and Eros Bordell. Prices start at 30 euros, with 'orgasm warranty'. Pasha charges 5 euros for admission (free soft drinks and coffee). The women we saw ranged from 5-9 in looks, even an entire floor of transsexuals ('she-males' and post-operational) in the Pasha.

Best attendance by females: Hornstrasse brothels, Cologne (Köln): Pasha and Eros. We went there at 3 am and the entire street in the inner city of Cologne was gridlocked with cars, taxis, busses and our motorhome. There are 2 major brothels (= 'Laufhaus'): the 12-floor Pascha and the smaller Bordell/Eros across the street from it. The corridors of all floors were jammed with men from all nations, trying to arrange shags with the also multi-cultural 250 ladies or so (hard to count since most of them were busy). Even more women were available in so-called 'Verrichtungsboxen' (= relief boxes = dormitory containers) stacked in neighboring vacant lots.

Best attendance by males: Artemis, Berlin: Due to excessive publicity there were some 1000 males competing for maybe 90 females on a FIFA WC game night. Proof that controversy is good for such a business, as long as the media 'spell the name right'. We passed.

Best Kino (cinema): Harem, Bad Lippspringe. High resolution projection unit on a HUGE screen maybe 10x20 feet (3 x 6 m) large and brand new lounges, floor mats and furniture. Unfortunately they showed only one single cheap American gonzo style video running in loop mode.

Best rooms: Harem, Bad Lippspringe. Spacious and clean, decorated in various styles and themes.

(Notes: cross-posted to 'Germany' general section, as this is not only about FKKs. -- It seems cyberfreehost.com in LA has censored away my website fkkguide. Pornography of the most hardcore kind was OK there, but not reportage about real opportunities to get laid for money legally, sanitarily and safely. We will have a new website with our own domain based in Germany soon. -- If interested to participate in future tours of the German pussy triangle send me a Private Message by clicking on my name on the left.)

[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]Sign the petition agaisnt FIFA 2006 brothels please

[url]http://catwepetition.ouvaton.org/php/index.php[/url][/QUOTE]From my other post:

Best attendance by males: Artemis, Berlin: Due to excessive publicity there were some 1000 males competing for maybe 90 females on a FIFA WC game night. Proof that controversy is good for such a business, as long as the media 'spell the name right'. We passed.

Rest is filed under "Best of German brothels"

[QUOTE=Stevenh]Lufthansa offers special reates of 99 Euro to AMS, but no idea how actually get them. But you might like to check out airline-direct.com, who will research in grey market tickets and regularly find good rates.[/QUOTE]Plenty of low cost airlines fly that route. Try Ryan, German Wings, Berlin Air websites. Trains are cheap too, and not much slower, more comfortable and less hassles than planes . Dowbntown to downtown too. Try the German Federal RR website [url]www.bahn.de[/url] . Special low rates for foreigners.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]The RLD is a dangerous place.

The only German city I don't feel safe in is Frankfurt.[/QUOTE]It's safe nowhere and never if you roam a city at night, alone and drunk: One of our group on the last FKK tour seperated from the rest and got lost in a rough neighborhood of Dortmund. He got mugged at knifepoint and lost all his valuables, money and passport. Luckily he survived with only cuts and bruises.

It's advisable to stick with established FKK clubs and reputable 'houses of ill repute' in Germany and everywhere. Go with a guide.

On our FIFA-WC/FKK tour, on the way from Munich to Berlin, we stopped at FKK-Europa discretely located in an industrial wasteland of Leipzig. Facilities were clean and comfortable, with a large outddor pool, sauna, Kino (porn cinema) free soft drinks and snacks (no so good). The women were naked, nice and wholesome looking, and for a change mostly German. Beware of the 'Piccolo' dry-hustle in the basement bar. It's a 35 euro miniature bottle of cheap champage (just buy your own at the closest Aldi for 1,80 euro and jack off, at least you'll cum). The girls ask get a 50% cut for dancing.

'Amy' (about 20, slim blonde with alabaster skin) was the prettiest of them and took an interest in me, but I was turned off by her extreme-right political talk. A neo-Nazi in a brothel? What's the world coming to?

Beware of the 'Piccolo' dry-hustle in German FKKs, bars and brothels. It's a 35 euro miniature bottle of cheap champage or a watered down fizzy ladies' drink (just buy your own at the closest Aldi supermarket for 1,80 euro and jack off, at least you'll cum). The girls get a >50% cut. Even the non-alcoholic FKK clubs will push them. It's a stupid German tradition dating back to before the 'Blue Angel' era. Larger bottles of champagne can cost up to 400 euros, with Krimean red champagne a favorite (cost at Aldi: <10 euros).

Does anyone know of any review sites that are in German and cater to specifically the German, or even better, the Berlin escort/brothell scene? My German is improving and I thought it might be fun to check these boards out.

Thanks in advance

A M

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Does anyone know of any review sites that are in German and cater to specifically the German, or even better, the Berlin escort/brothell scene? My German is improving and I thought it might be fun to check these boards out.

Thanks in advance

A M[/QUOTE]

Not much about Berlin but it has the most information on where to find action in general.

They use a lot of slang though so standard school German may not cut it.

[QUOTE=FKKguide] It's advisable to stick with established FKK clubs and reputable 'houses of ill repute' in Germany and everywhere. Go with a guide.[/QUOTE]

"Reputable houses of ill repute"?! :-)

Similar to saying "military intelligence" or "jumbo shrimp", nicht wahr?

I need help in translating some terms used by ladies in describing their services.

Gesichtsbesamung

Begleitungen

Sandwich

Behindertenbesuche

Spanisch

passive Erziehung

F.F. / Sandwich

leichte Erziehung

NS aktiv / passiv

Nadeln

AV aktiv + passiv

KV aktiv/passiv

Thanks

[quote=raydeon]i need help in translating some terms used by ladies in describing their services.

gesichtsbesamung

begleitungen

sandwich

behindertenbesuche

spanisch

passive erziehung

f.f. / sandwich

leichte erziehung

ns aktiv / passiv

nadeln

av aktiv + passiv

kv aktiv/passiv

thanks[/quote]

gesichtsbesamung- insemination of the face(cum-face)

begleitungen-??

sandwich??

behindertenbesuche

spanisch-tittie fuck i think

passive erziehung-passive education (s-m i think)

f.f. / sandwich-???

leichte erziehung-easy education (also s-m i think)

ns aktiv / passiv-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url] act/passive

nadeln-needles

av aktiv + passiv-greek act/passive

kv aktiv/passiv-kaviar([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord137][CodeWord137][/url]) act/passive

@Raydeon

I just add the ones Angus Magee hasn't translated:

Begleitungen/escorts

Behindertenbesuche/Behinderte=handicaped people; Besuche=sessions/visits
Sandwich= When the woman is fucked/penetrated by two men from behind/anal and from the front/vaginal at the same time.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Does anyone know of any review sites that are in German and cater to specifically the German, or even better, the Berlin escort/brothell scene? My German is improving and I thought it might be fun to check these boards out.

Thanks in advance

A M[/QUOTE][url]www.nordfick.net[/url]

OK guys - here is the challenge of the day. Since we are all anonymous here lets rate ourselves as we think the girls would rate us. Let's see where our numbers fall.

Looks xx Skills xxx

I'll volunteer to start Looks 7 Skills 9

Can anyone maybe help: I'm going to Baden-Baden and I can not find some info about the scene there, really want to test it out as I have alot offree time there.
Please let me know or give me some tips where to look experiences are also welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Gianni

[QUOTE=Gianni]Can anyone maybe help: I'm going to Baden-Baden and I can not find some info about the scene there, really want to test it out as I have alot offree time there.
Please let me know or give me some tips where to look experiences are also welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Gianni[/QUOTE]

You are visiting the wrong part of Germany. Sorry.

If you aren't finding reports either on this forum or on the German language forums its because you are going to the conservative south.

There is activity everywhere in Germany but it is at its best (and at its most affordable) in Hessen and NRW (Nordrhein Westfalen).

Gianni,

Take a look at the web sites:(They are near Baden-Baden)


[url]http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/main.php[/url]

[url]http://www.angelinas-paradies.de/[/url]

[url]http://www.villa-freiburg.de/index.html[/url]

[url]http://www.bei-ilona.de/[/url]

[url]http://www.villa-ascona.de/home_eng.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Dick Rambone]Gianni,

Take a look at the web sites:(They are near Baden-Baden)


[url]http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/main.php[/url]

[url]http://www.angelinas-paradies.de/[/url]

[url]http://www.villa-freiburg.de/index.html[/url]

[url]http://www.bei-ilona.de/[/url]

[url]http://www.villa-ascona.de/home_eng.html[/url][/QUOTE]

As I am often in this neck of the woods (specifically down near the Swiss border in the so-called Drei Laendereck of Switzerland, France and Germany), I searched the German language forums and this is what I came up with. The quoted sections were pasted together sometimes from several reports. (I can footnote this later if necessary - kind of like writing an academic paper).

Ettlingen (bei Karlsruhe)

[url]http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/main.php[/url]

This is a report on Flamingo Island.

“War in letzter Zeit ein Paarmal dort. Stimmungsmäßig und frauentechnisch ist nicht sooo viel los. Hüte Dich besonders vor den Rumänninen. Dort sind solche, die völlig lustlos sind, nur rumzicken und nachkobern. Kenne ich sonst von den Muräninnen garnicht... Rate Dir eher zum Palace oder zur Oase. Doch wenn Du in der Nähe bist, dann gehe ins FI, doch sei nicht enttäuscht. Nimm erstmal ein 2 Stunden Ticket für 39,99 Euro. Wenn Du länger bleibst, zahlst Du hinterher beim Rausgehen die 20 Euro einfach nach.”

Fazit:
In other words, there isn’t much about this place from an ambiance and “quality of women” standpoint. Beware of the Rumanians. Better to go to Place or Oase (do you have a car?) and only go to Flamingo Island when you are in the area.

Freiburg

[url]http://www.angelinas-paradies.de/[/url]

[url]http://www.villa-freiburg.de/index.html[/url]

There is nothing which is written about these two clubs so you would be totally on your own.

A few observations on the scene in Freiburg.

“.......noch eine launige Bemerkung.....

Sofern Dein Freiburg - Aufenthalt die Dauer einer normalen Wiederaufladungsphase -zwischen den Clubbesuchen- nicht überschreitet, bleib`einfach abstinent. Genieße die gute Küche, die schöne Umgebung.......aber tu` Dir die spießigen Wohnungspuffs nicht an. Die Freiburger sind da irgendwie etwas merkwürdig drauf. So eine komische Mischung aus birkenstocksandalentragender Verklemmtheit......SEX, ok.......aber bitte nich drüber sprechen und nich hier bei uns, in unserer schönen Stadt.....und bloß nich zu groß...nen FKK-Club? ...bloß nich......ist ja die Brutstätte des Verbrechens. Wenn Du aber gar nicht mehr klar denken kannst, weil Dir das Testosteron das Kleinhirn quetscht, geh`in das Hexenhaus, Schildackerweg 30. Ist ganz lustig, wenn Du Glück hast, dann ist Eine von den Beiden sogar ne ganz attraktive und Du bekommst einen anständigen Quickie für 55,- Euronen. Laufhäuser und Clubs gibt es allerdings wirklich nicht. Falls das gewünscht ist, dann bleibt wirklich nur Abstinenz.”

Fazit:
In other words, enjoy the cooking and the beautiful surrounddings but this isn’t a town to have sex in. The Freiburger have a strange attitude towards sex which comes from their Birkenstock sandal wearing culture and their being Verklemmt.

He does give one address to visit: Hexenhaus, Schildackerweg 30 where you can have a quickie for 55 Euros.

Speyer

[url]http://www.bei-ilona.de/[/url]

There are no reports on this club so you also be on your own here.

Here are a few words on a Partytreff between Speyer and Schifferstadt which was not that great.

“aber bitte empfehlt mir jetzt nicht den schuppen "number one", zwischen speyer und schifferstadt, näheres unter http.//www.sexdiscount-number1.de, der "aldi" unter den clubs, wo man für 120 euro(mehr zahlst du wirklich nicht) so oft poppen kann, wie man möchte.., wenn man kann und vor allem will ich war schon dort und muß sagen, das geld hätte ich mir auch sparen können, denn "atmosphäre", was ist das?, fragt man sich, wenn man dort ist.. das sitzt du um einen tisch herum, und zwar alle mädels und alle, wenn überhaupt einer da ist, männer...irgendwie peinlich und komisch, diese situation, service nun ja... ich möchte nicht verschweigen, daß es eine bar gibt, an der sitzt bloß niemand wiederholungsfaktor bei mir tendiert eher gegen 10%

Fazit:
He gives this Partytreff a Wiederholungsfaktor of 10% so better to avoid.

Baden-Baden

[url]http://www.villa-ascona.de/home_eng.html[/url]

The last report written on this dates back to October, 2003 so its current condition is unknown. You would do us a favor to write about it.

You are actually in luck here as this club is directly in Baden-Baden.

“ Kurz gesagt. Gehobenes Ambiente mit bezahlbaren, ortsüblichen Preisen. Guter Service, aber nicht mit den von FKK Clubs vergleichbar. Alles nur mit Tüte und no kiss. Im Durchschnitt 7 bis 10 Mädels, optisch gehobener Standard. Zumindest war dies alles bis vor einem halben Jahr so. Der Eintritt kostst €17 darin sind zwei Getränke enthalten. Die Preise kann ich nicht 100% Garantieren. FM oder GV ca. 20 min 80 € FM +GV ca.30 min 110 € 1 Stunde 140€ 1 Stunde Whirlpool mit 1 Flasche Champanger 260€ Die Mädchen machen alles mit Kondom ZK habe ich bisher noch nicht erlebt. Du hast aber im Kontaktraum die Möglichkeit das mit den Mädchen abzuklären. Außerdem wirst du nicht gezwungen zu bleiben. Ich habe schon unterschiedlichen Service erlebt. das heißt von der schnellen Nummer damit meine ich das Mädchen hat geschaut, daß es schnell zu Ende ist bis hin zu zärtlichem Kuschelsex meist noch verbunden mit einer Massage. außerdem machen nicht alle Mädels französich beidseitig. Die Mädels auf den Bildern wirst du aber nicht in der Villa antreffen, da sie für die Fotogallerie Models genommen haben, da sich keines der Mädels zeigen wolte. Obwohl die Mädchen, zu der Zeit als ich noch dort verkehrte fast alle ausnamhslos hübsch waren. Für deinen Geschmack wäre auch etwas dabei gewesen ”

Fazit:
In other words, a classy environment with pricing which is typical of the region (which is typically higher than to the north). Service is not considered comparable to that at FKK clubs. No kissing, everything with a rubber. The writer has had very variable service here from “very quick then out the door” to tender GFE. Not all the women do 69. You will not meet the women in the photos as the actual women who work there don’t want their faces to be shown. He does say though that the women he has met there have been beautiful. You will likely find someone who is to your taste. Sounds like you will find this okay if you are a newbie.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]

Freiburg

[url]http://www.angelinas-paradies.de/[/url]

[url]http://www.villa-freiburg.de/index.html[/url]

There is nothing which is written about these two clubs so you would be totally on your own.

A few observations on the scene in Freiburg.

“.......noch eine launige Bemerkung.....

Sofern Dein Freiburg - Aufenthalt die Dauer einer normalen Wiederaufladungsphase -zwischen den Clubbesuchen- nicht überschreitet, bleib`einfach abstinent. Genieße die gute Küche, die schöne Umgebung.......aber tu` Dir die spießigen Wohnungspuffs nicht an. Die Freiburger sind da irgendwie etwas merkwürdig drauf. So eine komische Mischung aus birkenstocksandalentragender Verklemmtheit......SEX, ok.......aber bitte nich drüber sprechen und nich hier bei uns, in unserer schönen Stadt.....und bloß nich zu groß...nen FKK-Club? ...bloß nich......ist ja die Brutstätte des Verbrechens. Wenn Du aber gar nicht mehr klar denken kannst, weil Dir das Testosteron das Kleinhirn quetscht, geh`in das Hexenhaus, Schildackerweg 30. Ist ganz lustig, wenn Du Glück hast, dann ist Eine von den Beiden sogar ne ganz attraktive und Du bekommst einen anständigen Quickie für 55,- Euronen. Laufhäuser und Clubs gibt es allerdings wirklich nicht. Falls das gewünscht ist, dann bleibt wirklich nur Abstinenz.”

Fazit:
In other words, enjoy the cooking and the beautiful surrounddings but this isn’t a town to have sex in. The Freiburger have a strange attitude towards sex which comes from their Birkenstock sandal wearing culture and their being Verklemmt.

He does give one address to visit: Hexenhaus, Schildackerweg 30 where you can have a quickie for 55 Euros. [/QUOTE]Hi there,

I disagree a bit about Freiburg, I had a great time there. You can read my experiences at Villa Freiburg here:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=342217&postcount=7[/url]

there's also a Freiburg section where you might be able to find some more reports. PM me if you have any more questions about Freiburg, and I'll try to answer.

[QUOTE=Langsamer]Hi there,

I disagree a bit about Freiburg, I had a great time there. You can read my experiences at Villa Freiburg here:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=342217&postcount=7[/url]

there's also a Freiburg section where you might be able to find some more reports. PM me if you have any more questions about Freiburg, and I'll try to answer.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I believe the comments made on Freiburg were made in comparison to activity elsewhere in Germany, particularly with respect to service and price levels in Hessen and NRW (which is where most of the FKK clubs discussed elsewhere on this forum are located).

Southern Germany (Baden-Wuerttemberg and Bayern) are just more conservative.

This doesn't mean you can't find activity there or that it won't be acceptable.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Hi,

I believe the comments made on Freiburg were made in comparison to activity elsewhere in Germany, particularly with respect to service and price levels in Hessen and NRW (which is where most of the FKK clubs discussed elsewhere on this forum are located).

Southern Germany (Baden-Wuerttemberg and Bayern) are just more conservative.

This doesn't mean you can't find activity there or that it won't be acceptable.[/QUOTE]Hi J,

i wasn't trying to attack you, so I'm sorry if what i said sounded rude. I've only been to FKK's in Hessen, so my wohnung experience has always been in BW and Bayern. Karlsruhe has some very cheap options compared to Freiburg.

Anyway, gotta run! sorry again if that sounded mean!

L.

I will be in Berlin Sunday evening and I just wanted to ask which are the best places to go, if you want to find a real 10 or "model type" of girl?

Is Kamilla la Dee, FKK Artemis or Van Kampen recommendable?

Although, I noticed the last mentioned club closes already at 20:00 on sundays which seems odd to me?

Hi,

I will be in Dortmund from Monday 4th to Wednesday 6th can someone please give mne some recommendations of places or clubs to visit I will have a car and I am prepared to travel about 30-45 mins for the right action. Thanks

[QUOTE=Langsamer]Hi J,

i wasn't trying to attack you, so I'm sorry if what i said sounded rude. I've only been to FKK's in Hessen, so my wohnung experience has always been in BW and Bayern. Karlsruhe has some very cheap options compared to Freiburg.

Anyway, gotta run! sorry again if that sounded mean!

L.[/QUOTE]

It wasn't taken that way

Later,

[QUOTE=Jasedukerider]Hi,

I will be in Dortmund from Monday 4th to Wednesday 6th can someone please give mne some recommendations of places or clubs to visit I will have a car and I am prepared to travel about 30-45 mins for the right action. Thanks[/QUOTE]

In Dortmund you are at the Eastern edge of the Ruhr.

The Ruhr is the home of the Red Carpet Clubs or Roter Teppich Clubs. Most every town between Dortmund and Duisburg has one of these clubs: Essen, Recklinghausen, Bochum, etc...

They can be hit or miss quality and service-wise but typically offer good pricing.

Within 45 minute driving range of Dortmund you have Cocoon in Wuppertal, Dorsten (the Partytreff and Heavensgate) and the Duesseldorf clubs.

If you are willing to drive just a little further west you can get to the Golden Triangle clubs.

There are also Laufhaeuser in the Ruhr which you can visit. You can expect lower quality there though.

A guy on WSG asked: Can non shaved hairy bushed SWs still be found in Germany?

My answer: I think and I am pretty sure that 100% of women in the sex industry shave or wax these days. Some leave a landing strip or a mowhawk while most shave completely. I really think you will find it very difficult to find a hooker with a full bush anywhere in europe these days. Apart from being fashionable to shave these days its also healthier in terms of STDS.

Am I right???

New to the board, and to Germany as well, but checking to see what's out there.

I'll admit that my tastes run on the kinkier side at times, and I've looked up a few BDSM providers in Germany. I've figured out the Domme/Mistress and the sklavin/slave stuff, but I have no idea what a Bizarrangel or Bizarrlady is?

Can somebody help me out?

Thanks!

Joe

Hello fellow Mongerers,

I'm new to the board. I currently stay in Hamburg. I've been a silent reader for the past few weeks.

Regards,

B

[QUOTE=Wan King] I really think you will find it very difficult to find a hooker with a full bush anywhere in europe these days. Apart from being fashionable to shave these days its also healthier in terms of STDS.

Am I right???[/QUOTE]

Difficult yes but they do exist. Here is a nice looking girl in Berlin at KD

[url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/emanu-e.htm[/url]

Looks like she trims but has a fairly healthy bush.

And Babsy here

[url]http://www.intime-modelle.de/babsy.html[/url]

looks to have a full bush.

Personally I prefer shaved but I would certainly give Emanuelle a spin.

I've been asking myself this question and don't know what the answer is.

I have been lurking in the French section of this forum as French is a third language for me and I want to keep abreast of what is going on there.

The Paris section of this forum says there are a lot of Chinese providers who work there these days. Some operate from apartments, others walk the streets.

This was a real surprise to me. I lived there years ago and on the Rue St. Denis, for example, you would get a mix of French, Algerians, Africans but hardly any Asian women.

Nowadays, French providers in France are hardly mentioned at all.

The borders which used to exist don't anymore yet these providers don't cross into Germany.

Is it because the Chinese are more likely to learn French than German? Or is it because there is a more established community of Chinese in France? A question of obtaining an Aufenthaltsgenehmigung?

More importantly, is this the shape of things to come? Will there be more Chinese among the providers in Germany in the future?

Jackyo,

The Chinese you mention from France would not make it in Germany. First, German are not very much into ethnic, this has been confirmed to me by all Blacks, Latinas and Asian I have met in FKK. Secondly, the Chinese you are refering to from France are street quality girls. They can make it in Paris as there is no other choice there. Third, the German scene is a regular scene and girls need to have regular immigration documents. The Chinese in Paris are freshly arrived immmigrants, do'nt even speak French and most probably don't have those documents. As prostitution is forbidden in France, prostitution is controlled by maffia. You have had the Eastern European girls, the African girls and currently it's the Chinese connection. It can not be compared with the legal German scene.

Routard

Does anyone know what the age of consent is in Germany?

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Does anyone know what the age of consent is in Germany? thx[/QUOTE]

.. eighteen as I have met eighteen year olds.

In general they do not, by the way, provide very good service as they don't know what they are doing.

Unfortunately I agree 100%, well I guess it must be true, youth is wasted on the young


[QUOTE=Jackyo].. eighteen as I have met eighteen year olds.

In general they do not, by the way, provide very good service as they don't know what they are doing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fred Gold]Does anyone know what the age of consent is in Germany? thx[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Angus Magee][url]http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

Hi Folks,

Please accept my sincere warning regarding the age of consent included in the before mentioned document, as it is not fully correct i as far as Germany is effected.

The age of consent question is quite complex theme and recently fueled by child abuse of Germans abroad, thus the respective law and regulations had been modified.

In principle there are occasions when sex with 14 or 16 year old individuals could be free of punishment, but there is one simple rule:

As long as it is prostitution, regardless if the provider gets remmunerated or any third party, the (what you call age of consent) is 18 years, and there is no exemption.

All going mongering, it is worth to make sure you do not undercut. If you are of German nationality you have to ensure this effects you even when travelleing abroad.

With more details I can easily fill a book, but as a information it should serve,

Have fun and stay safe,

Tom

[QUOTE=Routard]Jackyo,

The Chinese you mention from France would not make it in Germany. First, German are not very much into ethnic, this has been confirmed to me by all Blacks, Latinas and Asian I have met in FKK. Secondly, the Chinese you are refering to from France are street quality girls. They can make it in Paris as there is no other choice there. Third, the German scene is a regular scene and girls need to have regular immigration documents. The Chinese in Paris are freshly arrived immmigrants, do'nt even speak French and most probably don't have those documents. As prostitution is forbidden in France, prostitution is controlled by maffia. You have had the Eastern European girls, the African girls and currently it's the Chinese connection. It can not be compared with the legal German scene.

Routard[/QUOTE]

Who do you think controls German prostitution business - it is not the Salvatory Army, for sure.

Greetings
Tom

[QUOTE=Wise Buddy]Prostitution is legal in Germany, and the prostitutes dont need "protection" by pimps - the ladies run their business by themself. So the Mafia is mostly out of business.[/qUOTE]

Au contraire, my friend.. it may not be the Mafia as in the Italian Mafia but the "Milieu" as they say in Germany is very much involved in club ownership, recruitment, etc... and though not officially named pimps (or Zuhalter), the so-called husbands or boyfriends of these women are very much in the background.

Those women don't appear out of nowhere.

The brothels in Frankfurt are guarded by ruthless Albanians and thugs of the former Yugoslavia who would not hesitate to put take you out if you break their rules.

I will be in Dresden this weekend. I don't want to miss out on the great FKK clubs I have heard of in Germany. I want to compare to K5 in Prague.

I want to take a train to Berlin and probably go to Artemis. Berlin is a big place and I would appreciate any help with directions.

What train to take? What stop? Should I take a taxi. Wandering around the streets when its 5 degrees out is not going to make for an impressive penis.

I speak zero German and will be pressed for time. Also I will be going in the early evening.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Sail Sex]I will be in Dresden this weekend. I don't want to miss out on the great FKK clubs I have heard of in Germany. I want to compare to K5 in Prague.

I want to take a train to Berlin and probably go to Artemis. Berlin is a big place and I would appreciate any help with directions.

What train to take? What stop? Should I take a taxi. Wandering around the streets when its 5 degrees out is not going to make for an impressive penis.

I speak zero German and will be pressed for time. Also I will be going in the early evening.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Visit the Deutsche Bahn website:

[url]www.db.de[/url]

to get the train schedule.

VISITING AACHEN - Goldentime/YING yANG/SAMAYA

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WILL BE IN TOWN NEXT TWO WEEKENDS IF ANYONE WANTS TO HOOK UP? LETS GO A HUNTING FOR FINE PUSSY!

PM ME?

vb

[QUOTE=Biggee85]Guys tell me that this report isnt true, I'm staying in that area and don't want any trouble: taken from frommers web site.

[blue]====================================================

Greetings everyone,

Apparently the poster inadverently forgot to pay attention to the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix it before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how he intended this report to appear, so this is what you get.

The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is pay attention.

Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". It's that simple.

In addition, everybody can preview their reports before they're posted, so there's no reason for not getting it right.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Hi all,

I am planning a trip to Wiesbaden mid next month. I will be there for about a week. Any suggestions, which hotel to stay, where to find girls, action, MPs ?, what is the going price? any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks all

Xaam 1

[QUOTE=Xaam 1]Hi all,

I am planning a trip to Wiesbaden mid next month. I will be there for about a week. Any suggestions, which hotel to stay, where to find girls, action, MPs ?, what is the going price? any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks all

Xaam 1[/QUOTE]
Directly in Wiesbaden you will find Sugar Babe.

This is their website: [url]www.sugarbabe-wiesbaden.de[/url]

This dude, Figgerus, wrote a report on the RF which is a bit dated but he did a brief summary last September which was still positive.

[quote=Figgerus]Hallo, Freunde der feuchten Vergnügung!

Als mich mein Weg an einem bekannten Wiesbadener Etablissement vorbei führte, dachte ich mir: schau doch 'mal wieder 'rein. Anwesend waren Eyleen und Lilli. Obwohl Eyleen den umfangreicheren Service anbietet, hatte es mir der natürliche Charme von Lilli angetan.

Sie ist etwa 1,70 m groß, dunkelhaarig, schlank mit herrlichen Brüsten - die noch versteckt waren -, gepierct in Zunge, Lippenbändchen und Bauchnabel und glatt rasiert. Wir einigten uns auf die halbe Stunde plus FO, und 130 Euronen wechselten von einer Hand in die andere.

Nach einer kurzen Reinigung und Mundspülung im Bad erwartete ich sie auf dem Bauch liegend. Als Lilli ihre beiden Bekleidungsstücke ablegte, kamen zwei perfekt geformte Brüste zum Vorschein. Mit sanften Küssen arbeitete sie sich an meinem Rücken bis hoch zu den Ohren entlang und wieder hinunter. Dabei streichelte sie mich ganz sanft mit ihren Haarspitzen und fest stehenden Brustwarzen. Ein toller Auftakt!

Kurzerhand drehte ich uns beide um, und anschließend tauschten wir die ersten Zungenküsse aus. Diese Frau sollte eine Schule fürs Küssen eröffnen. So wird das gemacht. Sanft, feucht, spielerisch, den gesamten Mundraum erkundend. Dabei blieben ihre Hände nicht untätig und schon bald stand mein nicht mehr ganz so kleiner Freund kerzengerade und gefechtsbereit. Das hatte Lilli auch bemerkt, die nun ihre Zungenspiele in südlichen Regionen fortsetzte. Und der Blowjob hielt alles, was die Zungenküsse versprochen hatten. Null Handeinsatz. Nur eine Zunge und Lippen, die sich um Eichel, Schaft und Eier kümmerten. Da konnte ich nur noch die Augen schließen und genießen.

Bevor die Dinge zu schnell ihren Lauf nahmen, warf ich Lilli regelrecht auf ihren Rücken und revanchierte mich bei ihr. Und hier zeigt sich meines Erachtens, ob eine Frau naturgeil ist oder nicht. Lilli war es definitiv. In Strömen flossen ihre Säfte, die Bauchdecke bebte und bebte. Ihr Stöhnen klang keinesfalls gekünstelt, sondern nach Genuss pur. Langsam, aber sicher ließ sie sich zur kompletten Entspannung lecken.

Sanft lächelnd schaute sie mir in die Augen und kümmerte sich wieder um meinen Kameraden. Kurz darauf wurde das Gummimäntelchen übergestülpt, und ein wilder Ritt begann. Als sich das Prickeln bei mir merklich steigerte, legte sie sich neben mich, entfernte das Gummi und widmete sich mir mit Händen, Mund und Zunge. Die Entladung war entspannend wie selten so komisch es klingen mag. Lilli hatte meinen Schwanz auf ihr Kinn gerichtet und leckte sanft die Oberseite meiner Eichel, während etwas weiter darunter der Saft herausschoß. So gut war ich schon lange nicht mehr gekommen. Himmlisch.

Lilli ist hinsichtlich ihres Angebots vielleicht nicht die Tabuloseste, gleichwohl ist der Sex mit ihr, wie er mit der frisch verliebten Freundin sein sollte: leidenschaftlich und mit Hingabe. Fast dahingeschmolzen wäre ich, als sie mir beim Abschied sagte, ich möge doch bald wieder kommen, sie würde sich freuen. Die perfekte Illusion!

Kontakt: Wiesbaden, Hasengartenstr. 15, bei Graf klingeln. Tel.: 0611 - 2059267
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Das Hirn ist das größte Denkorgan des Menschen. Mal abgesehen von den Geschlechtsteilen.[/quote]
Fazit: He was very content with Lilli at this bordello. Half an hour with BBBJ cost 130 Euros (this is expensive, by the way!). She was a very good kisser, gave very good head. He also recommends Pia and Ronja in another post.

You can do better price-wise in Frankfurt though. Safest would be in one of the Hessen 3 FKK clubs, one of which, Palace, is easily accessible via public transport.

Is there a thread that talks about picking up German women as an American without P4P?

Thank you

[QUOTE=Jesterl]Is there a thread that talks about picking up German women as an American without P4P?

Thank you[/QUOTE]

American Women vs German Women

The only thing different is the end result... That's not to say they are easier, just that it takes much less of your money and effort to get into the panties if they like you.

What did you want to know?

I can't give any suggestions about nightclubs or anything like that because everytime a friend or family member spent time over there, they were in different parts of the country.

Do it like you do it here, go to a club. Dress nicely and smell good.

You can try your hand at "casual" converation and see where that gets you. German women have a reputation for being a bit cold and in some cases I have seen it first hand, but generally, they like to have a good time, so your best bet is not be a boring dude.

[url]http://www.inyourpocket.com/germany/en/[/url]

Start with the link above...

I would suggest going online, but Im not sure that would work as I am not Caucasian and I knew where to find German women interested in African-American men and I have been very successful. :D I already have 2, had 4 and can easily find 2-3 more but that just makes it hard to keep all the names and other stuff right, plus these girls are the best of the group and there's no need to look any further IMHO.

Never talk to more women than you can handle and be realistic about it if you go that route.

Otherwise, there is not a thread about picking up "freebies" in Germany, but after my trip I shall drop as much science about German women and dating while being seperated by 10,000 miles as I can, though I have to drop in the disclaimer than what happens to me, might not happen to you...

All I can really say is do your research and try to hit the ground running if you plan on chasing "freebies". After all, if you don't get any, there's always FKK's and other services.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]American Women vs German Women

The only thing different is the end result... That's not to say they are easier, just that it takes much less of your money and effort to get into the panties if they like you.

What did you want to know?

I can't give any suggestions about nightclubs or anything like that because everytime a friend or family member spent time over there, they were in different parts of the country.

Do it like you do it here, go to a club. Dress nicely and smell good.

You can try your hand at "casual" converation and see where that gets you. German women have a reputation for being a bit cold and in some cases I have seen it first hand, but generally, they like to have a good time, so your best bet is not be a boring dude.

[url]http://www.inyourpocket.com/germany/en/[/url]

Start with the link above.

I would suggest going online, but Im not sure that would work as I am not Caucasian and I knew where to find German women interested in African-American men and I have been very successful. :D I already have 2, had 4 and can easily find 2-3 more but that just makes it hard to keep all the names and other stuff right, plus these girls are the best of the group and there's no need to look any further IMHO.

Never talk to more women than you can handle and be realistic about it if you go that route.

Otherwise, there is not a thread about picking up "freebies" in Germany, but after my trip I shall drop as much science about German women and dating while being seperated by 10,000 miles as I can, though I have to drop in the disclaimer than what happens to me, might not happen to you...

All I can really say is do your research and try to hit the ground running if you plan on chasing "freebies". After all, if you don't get any, there's always FKK's and other services.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I was thinking of practicing pharm at one of the u.s. bases there. Issues like the language barrier, my age (30) [how do thrity-year-olds pick up? What venues?] and how plausible it is to visit Poland, Czech if things got boring in Germany? How cold are the women? Can you approach them in public, unlike most cases in the U.S.?

I've worked in Japan when I was 23. It was great, but the language barrier was a bit much.

[QUOTE=Jesterl]Thanks for the info. I was thinking of practicing pharm at one of the u.s. bases there. Issues like the language barrier, my age (30) [how do thrity-year-olds pick up? What venues?] and how plausible it is to visit Poland, Czech if things got boring in Germany? How cold are the women? Can you approach them in public, unlike most cases in the U.S.?

I've worked in Japan when I was 23. It was great, but the language barrier was a bit much.[/QUOTE]
German women, I find, are very approachable and a lot of them speak very good English. And contrary to what people might think, they have a great sense of humor. Germans by nature are curious, very well educated and know a lot more about the US than the average American knows about Germany.

There would be more of a language barrier in Poland or the Czech Republic, I would think.

And as far as safety is concerned, I'd feel much safer in Germany than either of these two countries.

Hi all,

I am new to the board, and i will be visiting germany in January 2007!

I am hoping to visit a few FKK spots and see how these clubs differ from PforP spots around the world! I Can't wait

Anyways, I cant seem to find the particulars of getting Viagra in Germany. is it over the counter or must you have a doctor perscribe it to you.

Some countries, such as Thailand, you can just buy it at the store. No questions asked.

Please let me know if this is the case in Germany, or not. I may have to get ome here in canada before I leave.

Thanks for you help!

SM

You need a doctors prescription

Does anyone have latest info where Liljana( former BN & Labedo) is working now?

Hi,

I'm trying to get my head around the Taschengeld concept. Does anyone have any experience of this? Is it P4P with amateurs/semi-pros (that's what it looks like to me)? Are the prices generally lower/the same/higher than with a pro?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Admetus]Hi,

I'm trying to get my head around the Taschengeld concept. Does anyone have any experience of this? Is it P4P with amateurs/semi-pros (that's what it looks like to me)? Are the prices generally lower/the same/higher than with a pro?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks[/QUOTE]
What exactly are you puzzled about?

Taschengeld is literally pocket money.

Or are you referring to Trinkgeld is which is tip money?

The official ISG German thread policy on Trinkgeld: do not tip. Book extra time with her or ask for extra services if you want but do not tip.

I think he is referring to the website(s) advertising women working for "pocket money". Probably like the Hausfrauen, who claim to do it on the side (but in fact often do it pretty much full time). They are probably a mixture of genuine part-timers and pros trying to fool you they are amateurs. Doubt if the prices are much different, and I doubt if the quality is very high, but I guess there might be the odd gem in there.

My guess anyway.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]
The official ISG German thread policy on Trinkgeld: do not tip. Book extra time with her or ask for extra services if you want but do not tip.[/QUOTE]

LOL!! Who the hell makes official ISG policy? I agree in this case whole-heartedly about the tipping, but I did not realise there was some kind of committee here issuing policy and codes of conduct...LOL! Are you trying to scare the poor boy...?

Ortos

I guess Taschengeld then falls into this big pot along with Hobbyhuren, Hobbynutten and Hausfrauen. If I ever dip my little toe into it (as it were), I'll report back. For this, I'll need to improve my German first though, so I guess it's still a little in the future.

Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=Ortos]LOL!! Who the hell makes official ISG policy? I agree in this case whole-heartedly about the tipping, but I did not realise there was some kind of committee here issuing policy and codes of conduct...LOL! Are you trying to scare the poor boy...?

Ortos[/QUOTE]
Realistically, official ISG policy is whatever you want it to be. :-)

If we all repeat the mantra: "No tips... I will extend session... I will ask for extras..." it becomes a subconscious thing which just kicks in automatically.

[QUOTE=Admetus]I guess Taschengeld then falls into this big pot along with Hobbyhuren, Hobbynutten and Hausfrauen. If I ever dip my little toe into it (as it were), I'll report back. For this, I'll need to improve my German first though, so I guess it's still a little in the future.

Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Admetus is absolute right with his guess. Taschengeld is feeding into the amateur section. Dealing with them can be cheaper, sometimes they even ask more bucks, they tell you “you get the best GFS, like with your girlfriend” meaning they think they are no pros so you pay that extra.

My personal view on that is, if I want action like with my girlfriend I can save the money and bang her. When I go into the p4p business I want to buy a perfect illusion, most likely the pros did deliver that best in the past. The might good on some of those “Taschengeld ladies” is they do a sort of Escort service, so you can call them to your room/hotel.

You will find some good, unfortunately as well some bad ones under:

[url]http://www.a-e-c.org/eroticontact/ec/SIESUCHTIHN.html[/url]

Happy hunting, and give it a try in English language, speaking English is not so uncommon in Germany

I fairly new to the area and I am looking for some roadside / autobahn fun. Can anyone help me out with this? I have heard all about the Fkk places but I want something different.

[QUOTE=Admin]Select "Add New Message" to post a message.[/QUOTE]I am from Aachen. Aachen ist not big city but due to the unique location, so many foreingers from France and Holland are interacting this famours town.

[QUOTE=Wizard]I have moved this FAQ to its new and proper place on the new FKK topic section.

I hope that others will also post their FKK reports in the correct topic sections all of the most popular clubs are listed seperatly and the smaller or less popular ones under a general heading.

But as the popularity and quality go up and down this might need to be updated later if certian clubs start to get large posting.

Wizard[/QUOTE]Hi all,

I am planning a trip to Konstanz mid next month. I will be there for about a week. Any suggestions, which hotel to stay, where to find girls, action, MPs?, what is the going price? any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks all,

Artemis82

[QUOTE=Trent280]I fairly new to the area and I am looking for some roadside / autobahn fun. Can anyone help me out with this? I have heard all about the Fkk places but I want something different.[/QUOTE]
.. with Parkplatzsex.

I can't think of any addresses off the top of my head but you can search the web and find them.

On the escort web sites, the girs say they do:

GV
OV
AV
Spanisch
Küssen / Schmusen
Girlfriendsex 69
Dildospiele
Natursekt

Some of these seem straight forward (for example, dildospiele), but the others are not in my German dictionary!

Thanks F

[quote=forest]on the escort web sites, the girs say they do:

gv
ov
av
spanisch
küssen / schmusen
girlfriendsex 69
dildospiele
natursekt

some of these seem straight forward (for example, dildospiele), but the others are not in my german dictionary!

thanks f[/quote]

excuse the german spelling:

gv = geschlectsverkher = sexual intercourse
ov = oral verkehr = oral sex
av = anal verkehr = anal sex
spanish = tit fuck
küssen / schmusen = kissing/cuddling
girlfriendsex 69 = girlfriendsex/69
dildospiele = dildo games/use of a dildo
natursekt = [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url] (normally either aktiv i.e. the one doing the p*ssing or passiv i.e. the one being p*ssed on)

[QUOTE=Artemis82]Hi all,

I am planning a trip to Konstanz mid next month. I will be there for about a week. Any suggestions, which hotel to stay, where to find girls, action, MPs?, what is the going price? any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks all,

Artemis82[/QUOTE]
I don't have any direct experience down there. I also can't recall having read anything about activity there either.

As rule, southern Germany is very conservative.

If I were to guess, you aren't going to be getting any on this trip.

hi,

i will be in germany in a little while and am looking to find a seriously submissive female escort/non-pro into rimming and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url] (specifically). feel free to send a message.

thanks

hi

does anybody saw (and fucked) french girls in german FKK or club?
French girls offer awful service in France and bad service in Belgium, so I would really like to know if it is the same in Germany!!

thks

You will normally find a French girl or two at the FKKs close to the borders with France. Saarbrücken, Neuenkirchen, Flamingo Island (nr. Karlsruhe). They cater for the French customers. In my experience they are pretty good, because they are looking for regular customers.

What are resources in Mannheim?

[QUOTE=Great Wall]What are resources in Mannheim?[/QUOTE]
This was written by Hessen Bub in late March

[quote=Hessen Bub]Mannheim:

Either drive to Frankfurt area, there you find Palace, Oase, World, Atlantik.

Or go south to Karlsruhe: Flamingo Island.

Close to Mannheim (in Bürstadt) there's a smaller Club: Night & Day.

Or go to Stuttgart: FKK-Haus or FKK-Sakura. [/quote]
There is a PT in Weinheim, Labyrinth.

See also my post #1354 under the Partytreff sub-thread belonging to the German FKK club thread.

Bürstadt Club: Night & Day

How far is Bürstadt from Mannheim and how to go there by public transport?

It's about 20km, so take a cab! Will be approx. 20 minutes.

PT: Take the "RegionalBahn" from Mannheim main station, also approx. 20 minutes.

Hessen Bub

Hi all,

I have to go in Strasbourg (France) next week. I'll have a car and seriously think about a quick cross of the border and a round trip at the closest FKK.

Any address, place or suggestion?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Samsarai]Hi all,

I have to go in Strasbourg (France) next week. I'll have a car and seriously think about a quick cross of the border and a round trip at the closest FKK.

Any address, place or suggestion?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
Closest ones will be:
[url]http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/fla/main.php[/url]
[url]http://www.sakura-fkk.de/[/url]

you will find their addresses on their homepages

Both are relatively decent clubs with great facilities and within one hour drive

Chivaz

[QUOTE=Chivaz]Closest ones will be:
[url]http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/fla/main.php[/url]
[url]http://www.sakura-fkk.de/[/url]

You will find their addresses on their homepages

Both are relatively decent clubs with great facilities and within one hour drive

Chivaz[/QUOTE]Looks good on the web!

I will try Sakura.

Lots of girls there.

Thanks

What resources are in Erlangen?Any recommendations!

[QUOTE=Great Wall]What resources are in Erlangen?Any recommendations![/QUOTE]
This is new, unexplored territory, dude! Go forth and come back with a report on what goes on there.

As Germans hobbyists will tell you: "Fast gaaaaar nichts passiert in Bayern."

Here is a posting from the RF on this topic. This dude, MrJingles, wants to know about a new club in this town.

[quote=MrJingles]Hallo zusammen,

hat jemand schon mal was von diesem Club hier gehört ?

[url]http://www.frankenladies.de/HTML/Mel...1392232&ppic=Y[/url]

Club Aphrodit in Erlangen.

Soll ne wiedereröffnung sein, da dort unten ja nicht soviel los ist und ich nächste Woche dort verweile, würde mich das intressieren.

thx
MrJingles[/quote]
Then here are two suggestions from Laursone, also from the RF.

[quote=Laursone]Club 63/Club Pharao
Bahnhofstr. 63
95028 Hof
Tel.: 09281-3416

Bar mit Bordellbetrieb, Preise ab 50 Euro, ab 18.00 Uhr

Club Jaqueline
Marienstr. 73
96028 Hof[/quote]
Inevitably someone here will remind me of Colosseum in Augsburg but that is in a distance from where you will be (if I remember my German geography correctly).

Bayern is divided into seven parts: Oberfranken, Mittelfranken, Unterfranken, Schwaben, Oberpfalz, Oberbayern, Niederbayern.

Erlangen is in one of the Frankens (Mittelfranken).

And from this forum itself, here is one from Erase from sometime last year.

[quote=Erase]Any info on Erlangen?

I will be working in Erlangen intermittently for the next few weeks, and was wondering if there is any local action. I did check out the nearby Sylt FKK, which I liked a lot. For a variety of reasons I am interested in knowing what's going on right in Erlangen.

Are there any agencies, incall houses, or good pickup spots that someone can recommend that are actually in Erlangen?

Thanks for any info, and the already helpful recommendation of Sylt - I had a great time there the other night - after dealing with the North American routine of misleading web photos and complete surprises it is very refreshing to actually be able to meet with a number of girls on site. The ambiance is very nice, and the girls are generally quite friendly. I spent time with a Czech girl named Nicole and her German friend Violetta - both were extremely hot and a lot of fun. Also spent time with a Blonde Russian girl who was very sweet. My only complaint was that a number of girls seemed to avoid intercourse, claiming 'it's too big'. I don't know if this is a common way to try to get away with providing less service while flattering the client - generally I felt a good rapport with the girls but would really have liked to have had actual sex (I have a sneaking suspicion they say that to all the clients that are obvious newbies). Still had a lot of fun though.

Sylt is about a 16 Euro taxi ride from Erlangen - the women in this region (in and out of the business) are really beautiful and charming.

e [/quote]

The exact legal situation of prostitution in Germany has not, as yet, really been discussed, but I try my best to give an overview:

1) General
Prosititution as such is legal in Germany. According to a report of the competent German Federal Ministry,

[url]http://www.bmfsfj.bund.de/bmfsfj/generator/RedaktionBMFSFJ/Broschuerenstelle/Pdf-Anlagen/bericht-der-br-zum-prostg-brosch_C3_BCre-deutsch,property=pdf,bereich=,sprache=de,rwb=true.pdf[/url]
(German)

prostitution is regarded as protected by Article 12 of the Basic Law, which is the German federal constitution. This means that legislation banning or unduly restricting prostitution would violate the right to free choice of occupation.

Customers of prostitutes also do not commit any violation of German laws, as long as they are not in breach of general laws protecting sexual self-determination (see below).

2) Situation of prositutes
Prostitutes may conduct their profession. Since the year 2002, they are clearly being granted a legally enforceable claim out of any contract concluded with the customer. In short: If the customer does not pay, she may sue. If no price had been agreed on (which practically never occurs), the typical price would be owed, which could be determined by expert opinion.

The prostitute may be employed, but, in practice, employment contracts are hardly being entered into, because of the wish of the prostitutes to remain flexible as of the place of work and the reluctance of brothel owners to take the financial risk of nobody using the employee's services.

Social security is open to both employed and self-employed prostitutes. Government and also many private health care insurers (government and private sectors compete with each other in Germany) are open to prostitutes, even if they state their real business. According to some private health care insurers, they are low-risk customers as they are typically very aware of health issues.

The German trade services union, verdi, is open for prostitutes. The German brothel keepers association, BUSD, as well as verdi are open to entering into a collective agreement, but both maintain that the number of employed prostitutes is too low to start with this. In theory, employed prostitutes have a right to strike.

Until proven otherwise, authorities regard prostitutes to be self-employed, because this rather suits the real picture of the business. Thus, prostitutes have to pay value added tax (VAT) on top of their income tax. In many states, revenue authorities collect a lump sum advance tax payment of 20 or 30 Euro per day from each prostitute and require brothels to do the relevant book-keeping. By the end of the year, the final sum of taxes is determined on the basis of individual tax returns. A number of prositutes and brothels, in particular in Berlin, issue tax receipts for their services on request. It is not required for a customer to demand or possess a tax receipt.

The exact legal situation of prostitutes is contained in the German Prostitution Act:

Act Regulating the Legal Status of Prostitutes (Prostitution Act - ProstG)
Of 20 December 2001

Section 1
In case that sexual acts had been performed against a remuneration agreed upon before, such agreement shall result in an enforceable claim. The same shall apply in cases where a person keeps him-or herself ready for the performance of such acts for a certain period of time against a remuneration agreed upon before, in particular in connection with an employment relationship.

Section 2
The claim cannot be assigned (to a third party), and can only be asserted in one's own name. The only defence available against a claim according to Section 1 sentence 1 shall be complete non-performance, but against a claim according to Section 1 sentence 2 is shall also be partial non-performance with relation to time. Apart from the defence of performance (section 362 of the Civil Code), and of limitation (of action), all other defences shall be excluded.

Section 3
With respect to prostitutes, the limited power of the employer to give instructions within the context of dependent activities shall not prevent the assumption of (such activity forming) employment within the meaning of social security laws.

2) Situation of brothels - criminal law
Until the year 2002, the German criminal code (StGB) contained rather unclear provisions making "promotion of prostitution" and certain forms of pimping a criminal offence. Promotion of prostitution was defined as any act supporting a prostitute's business which went beyond renting out occupational space and the "typical services connected to it". It was very unclear what had to be regarded as untypical: Some courts were of the opinion that providing condoms or the central cashing-in of money had to be considered to be illegal, while the attachment of mirrors on the ceiling would still be legal. Because of this uncertainty, brothel keepers were always under threat of being accused of a violation of the law. The same applied to the equally uncertain provision regarding pimping.

In 2002, those provisions were struck from the books because it was found that they they prevented brothel keepers from improving working conditions for prostitutes.

Criminal acts in with respect to prostitution are nowadays defined as acts which restrict the personal freedom of prostitutes, as follows:

Section 180a StGB - Exploitation of Prostitutes
(1) Whoever professionally maintains or leads a business, where persons conduct prostitution, and in which they are being held in personal or economic dependency, shall be punished with imprisonment of up to three years, or a fine.
(2) The same punishment shall be applied to anyone who -
1. grants housing, lodging in a commercial manner, or residence in a commercial manner, to a person below 18 years of age for the purpose of conducting prostitution, or
2. urges another person to prostitution or exploits such person with regard to prostitution, if that person is being granted housing for the purpose of prostitution by him or her.

Section 181b StGB - pimping
Whoever -
1. exploits another person who conducts prostitution or
2. for the sake of his or her pecuniary advantage, controls another person with respect to his or her conduct of prostitution, determines place, time, extent or other circumstances of his or her conduct of prostitution, or take measures to prevent that person to refrain from giving up prostitution,
and maintains relations to that person which go beyond a single case, shall be punished with imprisonment from six months to five years.
(2) Whoever compromises the personal or economic independence of another person by professionally promoting the conduct of prostitution by another person by the procuration of sexual intercourse and maintains relationships to that person which go beyond a single case, shall be punished with imprisonment of three years or a fine.
(3) According to subsections 1 and 2 shall also be punished whoever performs the acts as defined in subsection 1 no. 1 and 2 or the procuration mentioned in subsection 2 with respect to his or her spouse.

There are also some additional provisions relating to trafficking in human beings.

The new provisions are understood in a restrictive manner, which means that normal relationships between a brothel keeper and a prostitute, even if in form of employment, are permitted and legal.

The old, now abolished laws had lead to some remarkable forms of brothels:
- FKK clubs did not violate the old laws, as the keeper only provided the surroundings and took entry and sometimes "rental charges" from both visitors and girls. The prostitution itself was conducted on the basis of a contract between the girl and the customer, the closing of which was only "tolerated". The girls were called "frequent female guests". You will still see in some FKKs that the staff will tell: "The girls will inform you about the pricing". This is unnecessary now, but used to be a result of the old "promotion of prostitution" offence.
- In apartment brothels, the keeper officially only rented out the room to the girls. In the Laufhaus style brothel, this was even more the case. Cynically, a Stuttgart Laufhaus was owned by the city council.

3) Situation of brothels - Law of inns/pubs
The Federal Act on Inns (Gaststaettengesetz) allows to refuse or withdraw a pub licence once "immoral conduct" is promoted on the premises. The courts regularly regarded prostitution to be immoral. To circumvene, night club owners maintained one pub licence and formed another business on the name of a different person for "commercial rent and lease". The owner of the Berlin based "Cafe Psst", Felicitas Weigmann, did not want to accept this trick and sued against the refusal of the pub licence. A judge at the Berlin administrative court, Percy McLean, doubted if prostitution was immoral. As Germany maintains the inquisitional system at administrative courts - the judge inquires the facts -, he approached more than hundred lobby groups in Germany to learn about their opinion. Most of them replied, and only two of them regarded prostitution as immoral - the Catholic and the Protestant Churches. In the proceedings, state officials contended that the possibility to get two separate licences for the pub and the rental business would exist, and that they themselves found this perfectly ridiculous. Judge McLean found that the immorality of prostitution could not be established beyond reasonable doubt and ordered the State of Berlin to grant the licence. The media applauded to the stance of the brave judge.

Under the impression of this unexpectedly overall positive public response to the judgement (according to polls, the majority of Germans regard prostitution as "necessary to exist"), the Bundestag passed the new prostitution legislation.

Although the relevant pub law is still in existence, and there is no judgement of any superior court following Judge Mc Percy's ruling, pub licences are not difficult to obtain for brothels any more in practice. Since the constitutional reform of 2006, pub licencing laws are not a matter of the federal legislation any more, but the states may enact new laws. No state has done this as yet, but it may be expected that they will maintain the immorality clause in their legislation, but not to stop prostitution, but rather events like "dwarf throwing", and the like.

4) Situation of brothels - zoning laws
More problematic for brothels are the zoning laws. Brothels are regarded a business enterprise. They may not be operated in residential areas. This is the reason why many FKKs can be found outside the cities in the industrial areas. In mixed areas, the legality of a brothel depends on the question if their operation leads to "undue nuisance". What this means is subject to the interpretation of the local authorities and thus a constant issue.

5) Situation of brothels - advertising
Although advertising for prostitution forms an administrative misdemeanor (Ordnungswidrigkeit), it has to have a harassing or obscene character to be illegal according to recent court rulings. Thus, advertising for a brothel is, in itself, not illegal. In practice, even state-operated buses or trams carry ads for brothels (as for FKK Artemis in Berlin). However, disemination of pornographic content on the internet is a serious crime under German law, and pornographic is everything where "something is stiff". Thus, pictures on the internet will remain somewhat decent.

6) Restricted areas - Sperrgebiet
Authorities still have the possibility to ban prostitution from certain areas (Sperrgebiet).

The declaration of a Sperrgebiet is regulated in Art. 297 EGStGB (Act Implementing the Criminal Code), which gives the State governments the right to order by statutory instrument:

- for a whole town with up to 50,000 inhabitants,
- for parts of any town with more than 20,000 inhabitants, or
- for public roads, parks, etc. independent from the size of the town for a whole town
that it shall be illegal to perform prostitution, as far as it is necessary for the protection of the youth or "public morality". The State governments may transfer this right to other authorities. However, prosititution may not be limited to certain single roads or house blocks.

Berlin, for example, does not have such a statutory instrument.

In any case, prostitution cannot be banned out of a complete state.

Next week I'll be in this lovely country for 10 days. Unfortunately, I will be with a gal but I expect I'll be able to get away for a few hours here and there. I'll be in several different cities. Is there a sure way I can find a business willing to service my needs? Where should I look? Who should I ask. Any help would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=SuperD]Next week I'll be in this lovely country for 10 days. Unfortunately, I will be with a gal but I expect I'll be able to get away for a few hours here and there. I'll be in several different cities. Is there a sure way I can find a business willing to service my needs? Where should I look? Who should I ask. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Thanks for all the help. I'm leaving tomorrow.

[QUOTE=SuperD]Next week I'll be in this lovely country for 10 days. Unfortunately, I will be with a gal but I expect I'll be able to get away for a few hours here and there. I'll be in several different cities. Is there a sure way I can find a business willing to service my needs? Where should I look? Who should I ask. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Activity is available everywhere but action is best in NRW and in Hessen.

Escorts provide this service -- GV, OV. What is it?

[QUOTE=Chill Bill]Escorts provide this service -- GV, OV. What is it?[/QUOTE]GV means Geschlechtsverkehr = intercourse

OV mean Oralverkehr = oral sex

What is the best place to go to find street walkers? I know there are some in Frankfurt, but I want to try different areas.

[QUOTE=Dehman]What is the best place to go to find street walkers? I know there are some in Frankfurt, but I want to try different areas.[/QUOTE]
... in certain areas and on certain streets.

Which cities are you planning on visiting?

Your question is rather, sorry.. not [i]rather[/i] but [b]very[/b] vague.

I am trying to find some around the Frankfurt area not near the hauptbahnhof. Maybe in the surrounding cities. I am in Wiesbaden so even Mainz would not be a bad area to try.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]... in certain areas and on certain streets.

Which cities are you planning on visiting?

Your question is rather, sorry.. not [i]rather[/i] but [b]very[/b] vague.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dehman]I am trying to find some around the Frankfurt area not near the hauptbahnhof. Maybe in the surrounding cities. I am in Wiesbaden so even Mainz would not be a bad area to try.[/QUOTE]
Street activity in Germany is known as [i]Strassenstrich[/i] or [i]Strich[/i].

There are specialized websites which deal with this topic just as there are for guys interested in [i]Parkplatzsex[/i]. Because of the local and regional nature of it, you will have to search specifically for the towns you are interested in.

Z. B. the Rheinforum (which focuses on NRW) has a section which deals with this. It is lumped with Laufhaeuser and other such activity.

I just tried a search on the Roemerforum but didn't come up with much unfortunately... but then again its because its not a regionally focused forum but one with a national perspective.

Here is the Wikipedia article on this topic:

[url]http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenstrich[/url]

What does the following mean:

Spiele zu Dritt
Badespaß
Duschspiele
Zungenküsse
Eierlecken
Muschilecken

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Fla_FunMeister]What does the following mean:

Spiele zu Dritt
Badespaß
Duschspiele
Zungenküsse
Eierlecken
Muschilecken

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Spiele zu Dritt: threesome/menage a trois
Badespaß: bathing fun
Duschspiele: shower games
Zungenküsse: tongue kissing/French kissing
Eierlecken: ball-licking
Muschilecken: pussy licking/cunnilingus

Is there an RLD/Eros in Munster?

Anyone ever try this service (or know how it works)??? Looks like 90% of the women on this thing are from Germany! Is it a legit way to meet sexually active girls? Or, is it flooded with fakes and falsehoods? Thanks!

Hi,

I Was In Germany During Cebit 2008 From 3rd To 10th Of March, I Had Not Enough Euro And Try To Change My $ 2 € The InternatİÖnaİl Rate Was .66 But She Change .59 About 10% Higher And Buy Rate Was .69 € To 1 $ About 15% Higher Then Internatİonal Rate It Means 25% Commİsion For A Buy And Sale I Thİng The German Bank Are Thief Not Bankers. Never Change Moneny İn Germany Never Fucky Country

Mİke

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Hi Mİke,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

[red][u]Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]

Jackson[/blue]

Hello,

I went last week in Berlin for my first time and I had very good time. I went to Tiffany. Van Kampen and Lord Gabriell, it was my first time with prostitutes and brothels.

I want to ask you witch other citys of Germany do you suggest to me to go in the future for the "same good fun"?

[QUOTE=Sannita Sos]Hello,

I went last week in Berlin for my first time and I had very good time. I went to Tiffany. Van Kampen and Lord Gabriell, it was my first time with prostitutes and brothels.

I want to ask you witch other citys of Germany do you suggest to me to go in the future for the "same good fun"?[/QUOTE]
This activity is available everywhere in Germany.

Does this mean you are only interested in the brothel scene? There are also Laufhaeuser (an Eros Zentrum), FKK clubs, Partytreffs, Swingersclubs, the street scene, Sexkinos, etc...

These services are available in various formats and so I'm not sure whether this indicates you are only interested in brothels.

I am interested at brothel scene and fkk clubs.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]This activity is available everywhere in Germany.

Does this mean you are only interested in the brothel scene? There are also Laufhaeuser (an Eros Zentrum), FKK clubs, Partytreffs, Swingersclubs, the street scene, Sexkinos, etc...

These services are available in various formats and so I'm not sure whether this indicates you are only interested in brothels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sannita Sos]I am interested at brothel scene and fkk clubs.[/QUOTE]
... dedicated to the FKK club scene.

The primary Laender for FKK clubs are NRW (Nordrhein Westfalen) and Hessen. These are where they have destination FKK clubs.

There are FKK clubs in other Laender but they are minor clubs compared to the clubs you will find in NRW and Hessen.

The brothel scene exists most most everywhere but seems to be most highly developed in Berlin. Our resident Berlin brothel expert is Angus McGee. He can fill you in better than I can (I am primarily an FKK and Partytreff dude and my [i]Hauptjagdfeld[/i] is primarily NRW).

Any info on Munster apart from the 3 partytreffs?

Are there any street girls, windows girls etc?

I'm heading there with 2 guys on May 6th. We wont reach Munster till 11pm or so, so too late to hit the PTs, anyway we are going to hit Traumland the next day. But we would like some action the first night we visit.

Dear fellow mongers,

On my stay in Düsseldorf I found a hidden place, Gerresheimerstr. 99, doorbell is named with Schwarz. There is a flat in the groundfloor, with 4 rooms and some nice, lithuanian and latvian ladies. The mamasan called Erika herself is a real nice one, mid 30, blond, nice massive breasts, totaly cool and fun to be with. She has 3-4 girls, not less than a solid 7, 5 (and I am a bit picky! ). 1hour 150euros, 30min 60euros, clean nearly new renovated place.

There was absolutley no reason to complain, BBBJ and what you may ask is included. Just ask upfront what you would like to have.

In my opinion a good value for a quick hit, while located in the center.

Have fun, C.

[QUOTE=Carnevalisticus]Dear fellow mongers,

On my stay in Düsseldorf I found a hidden place, Gerresheimerstr. 99, doorbell is named with Schwarz. There is a flat in the groundfloor, with 4 rooms and some nice, lithuanian and latvian ladies. The mamasan called Erika herself is a real nice one, mid 30, blond, nice massive breasts, totaly cool and fun to be with. She has 3-4 girls, not less than a solid 7, 5 (and I am a bit picky! ). 1hour 150euros, 30min 60euros, clean nearly new renovated place.

There was absolutley no reason to complain, BBBJ and what you may ask is included. Just ask upfront what you would like to have.

In my opinion a good value for a quick hit, while located in the center.

Have fun, C.[/QUOTE]Good info, are yo u sure about the pricing?

Why not just go for 2 x 30 min sessions for €120?

Wan King

the Tel. 0049 / 178 670 36 75 , I am pretty sure about the prices, allthough I had a couple of that dark beer what they drink in Düsseldorf.

However, I was pretty satisfied.

Cheers,

Yours C.

Anybody know of any action here? I will be staying at the Holiday Inn which is near the station I believe. I don't know enough about Germany to pick up on the existing reports to know if there is anything close by. Would love to find a FKK club if possible.

Hi Dan,

Passau is close to the Czech side the most of the lokals go there , but there is a Saunaclub in town.

Saunaclub 1001. Steinbachstr. 13. 94036. Passau. 0851/85513

You may try it there, as far as I am told the ladies are quite nice, due to the competition across the border.As far as I know the next real FKK Club is in Augsburg.
You also may check the side [url]www.supersexy.de[/url] , this side is related to the south of Germany,mainly Bavaria.

Have fun! C.

Thanks for the help Carnevalisticus, fingers crossed I will get there to have a look around.

Hello gents,
I'm looking for some recommendations for cheap flights from Germany to Canada (YYZ) for this July. If you can kindly recommend some good websites for that, I'd be very grateful.

Thanks a lot.

Try to get infos from KLM, they once had cheap flights from Shiphol/Amsterdam .

Or contact L-Tur Duesseldorf/airport telnr. 0211 414031, if you are lucky you get Hassan or David on the phone. They are both very helpfull, I booked more than 50 flights with them.

Good luck,

C.

Has every German based monger that isn't married given up totally on the freebie world?

I spent some days in Frankfurt last year and while I chatted up a Brit and a couple of American girls at the Hostel I used, I found myself challenged when finding where all the cute German girls where.

After talking to German women that I'm not interested in more than friendship in, have told me that I needed to "hunt" around US military sites, which would seem a bit obvious but I have a problem with explaining why I was there? These are not holiday locations usually being deep in the boonies of Germany, surrounded by small towns and cities.

I was told to go to Berlin instead and I didn't listen...

I am venturing back to Europe I hope after Sept and wanted to land in Germany, spend a couple of days there but didn't want to rely solely on FKK's and Privates to get some "action" I think I can do good just meeting some girls and have it pay off in a few days as my intentions are Long Term anyway.

Help a Brotha out!

Any disco/nightclubs you can suggest???

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Has every German based monger that isn't married given up totally on the freebie world?

I spent some days in Frankfurt last year and while I chatted up a Brit and a couple of American girls at the Hostel I used, I found myself challenged when finding where all the cute German girls where.

After talking to German women that I'm not interested in more than friendship in, have told me that I needed to "hunt" around US military sites, which would seem a bit obvious but I have a problem with explaining why I was there? These are not holiday locations usually being deep in the boonies of Germany, surrounded by small towns and cities.

I was told to go to Berlin instead and I didn't listen...

I am venturing back to Europe I hope after Sept and wanted to land in Germany, spend a couple of days there but didn't want to rely solely on FKK's and Privates to get some "action" I think I can do good just meeting some girls and have it pay off in a few days as my intentions are Long Term anyway.

Help a Brotha out!

Any disco/nightclubs you can suggest???[/QUOTE]
... waiting for Oktoberfest in Muenchen and Karneval in Koeln (and other parts of the Niederrhein).

That is when the entire populace, women included, get in a really loose mood which is primarily alcohol induced.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]... waiting for Oktoberfest in Muenchen and Karneval in Koeln (and other parts of the Niederrhein).

That is when the entire populace, women included, get in a really loose mood which is primarily alcohol induced.[/QUOTE]

But I heard the beer is watered down???

I don't drink anyway, why would I be there other than trolling for punai? lol

I guess that's as good as reason as any for being there.

Thanks Jackyo... ;)

Anybody can help me with sim cards? Can one just buy them at kiosk stands like in some other countries?

[QUOTE=Bakero11]Anybody can help me with sim cards? Can one just buy them at kiosk stands like in some other countries?[/QUOTE]

There are a lot of carriers offering a prepaid sim card. You have to activate your card by internet or phone. The carrier has to check your identity, will be mostly done by checking your adress. The reason is that the carriers has to verify that their aren't any anonymous users.

I used congstar some weeks ago and used the name and adress of a friend to activate it by internet. Worked without any problem. You can load 5 oder 30 euro to the card by buying a voucher at a gas station or a discount store. Convenient and easy.

whomer

[QUOTE=Dan Ward]Anybody know of any action here? I will be staying at the Holiday Inn which is near the station I believe. I don't know enough about Germany to pick up on the existing reports to know if there is anything close by. Would love to find a FKK club if possible.[/QUOTE]

I'm used to stay in Passau in a hotel very close to Passau called "Schloss Neuburg". Search in the internet, easy to find.
Rates are very good, one of the best hotels in that region. Good restaurant, nice "biergarten".
Until last year the hotel the hotel owner was able to arrange a massage with BBBJ for me. Total damage 130 euro + taxi, directly to the girl. Never asked where they came from.
I heard the hotel has now a new management. Stayed only once at the hotel in this year. But didn't try this service.
2 years ago I had a GFE with one the employees, 20yo, german. A little bit shy, but great.

I heard furthermore from a hotel in "Griesbach", 25 min away by car. Small village, famous for golf. a couple of hotels. One of the leading hotels is "Maximilian". 5*, very nice place.

You can ask the concierge for support, they can organize it for you. Don't ask the girls at the frontdesk!

Massage at the spa is only for relaxing and medical issues. No additional services.

whomer

[QUOTE=Whomer]There are a lot of carriers offering a prepaid sim card. You have to activate your card by internet or phone. The carrier has to check your identity, will be mostly done by checking your adress. The reason is that the carriers has to verify that their aren't any anonymous users.

I used congstar some weeks ago and used the name and adress of a friend to activate it by internet. Worked without any problem. You can load 5 oder 30 euro to the card by buying a voucher at a gas station or a discount store. Convenient and easy.

whomer[/QUOTE]What do you mean by carriers? Where are they located?

Sounds great. But it will be a problem for those people, like me, that dont have the adress in germany or a friend that does so. I guess the hotel adress cant be used.

Thanks alot for the info.

[QUOTE=Bakero11]What do you mean by carriers? Where are they located?

Sounds great. But it will be a problem for those people, like me, that dont have the adress in germany or a friend that does so. I guess the hotel adress cant be used.

Thanks alot for the info.[/QUOTE]

Search in google for prepaid and handy. You will find some providers or carriers. Or go to shop or department store when you are in Germany and ask for a prepaid sim card. I did it several times in Munich (at Hertie and Karstadt: T-Mobile and Congstar). I used my home adress without any problem. Once I didn't need any information. Just a name, that was it. Worked fine. Read in some articles that congstar is quite cheap. But there are a lot of providers. It depends how much you want to use the mobile phone.

And it is a good idea to use a local sim card, the roaming costs are expensive.

whomer

Please, Anyone knows if BBBJ is forbidden in some areas in Germany? And,m if so, where? Which are the best FKK in Germany?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Anarkypg]Please, Anyone knows if BBBJ is forbidden in some areas in Germany? And,m if so, where? Which are the best FKK in Germany?

Thanks![/QUOTE]
1) Yes, there are laws in Bayern against BBBJ.

2) Best FKK in Deutschland? That is a subjective thing. It depends on your requirements and your tastes. I have no idea what your requirements and tastes are.

Read the FAQ under the FKK thread written by yours truly.

Count the number of posts for each individual FKK club thread and you will have an immediate consensus as to the most visited FKK clubs by ISGers. (Such a list would not reflect my personal tastes, for the record, but I am a contrarian and prefer to go off the beaten path).

Are you a relative newbie and speak no German? If yes, then the method above for identifying clubs you should visit should work out just fine for you.

By the way: ask a specific question and you will get help from someone on the forum. Ask general questions such as this and you will likely be ignored.

The forum is a self-service forum. Do read as much as you can. Then ask. Don't expect this information to be handed to you on a silver platter. You need to do some work for yourself first.

Some girls list "Zungenanal" ("tongue anal" as a literal) in services, and I've also seen it used basically interchangably with "anal bei ihn" (anal on you, loosely).

Does it exclusively refer to rimming, or does it also encompass a more general concept of anal play? I'm quite keen there be no misunderstanding in case I make enquiries and suddenly get faced with a lot more than I was bargaining for.

[QUOTE=CurryMonster]Some girls list "Zungenanal" ("tongue anal" as a literal) in services, and I've also seen it used basically interchangably with "anal bei ihn" (anal on you, loosely).

Does it exclusively refer to rimming, or does it also encompass a more general concept of anal play? I'm quite keen there be no misunderstanding in case I make enquiries and suddenly get faced with a lot more than I was bargaining for.[/QUOTE]
.. so I can't say for sure what it includes.

It does imply tongue on anus contact, that is for sure.

The preposition "bei" by the way, takes on the Dativ so you would write "bei ihm" and not "bei ihn" which is in the Akkusativ.

Anal play would be [i]Analspiel[/i]. That would be a more general term encompassing all anal activity. Or maybe [i]Analerotik[/i].

No, I don't know how you'd say "going medieval on your ass" in German.

I know many folks use dating or bride sites. For sure, bar pickups exist everywhere for normal girls.

In my experiences around the world, hostels provide the easiest place to meet and bed otherwise normal women.(even if I am in some hotel elsewhere) Most places will let you rent a single if they have them, once the need arises.

Premise works, since the girls are away from home and already have no expectation of seeing you again and just like you are not local ;)

FFKs have their place, but free and normal works too ;)


[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Has every German based monger that isn't married given up totally on the freebie world?

I spent some days in Frankfurt last year and while I chatted up a Brit and a couple of American girls at the Hostel I used, I found myself challenged when finding where all the cute German girls where.

After talking to German women that I'm not interested in more than friendship in, have told me that I needed to "hunt" around US military sites, which would seem a bit obvious but I have a problem with explaining why I was there? These are not holiday locations usually being deep in the boonies of Germany, surrounded by small towns and cities.

I was told to go to Berlin instead and I didn't listen...

I am venturing back to Europe I hope after Sept and wanted to land in Germany, spend a couple of days there but didn't want to rely solely on FKK's and Privates to get some "action" I think I can do good just meeting some girls and have it pay off in a few days as my intentions are Long Term anyway.

Help a Brotha out!

Any disco/nightclubs you can suggest???[/QUOTE]

Try Maxim's near the Kurfursdam. I've had good luck if you want to spend the time and effort...

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Has every German based monger that isn't married given up totally on the freebie world?

I spent some days in Frankfurt last year and while I chatted up a Brit and a couple of American girls at the Hostel I used, I found myself challenged when finding where all the cute German girls where.

After talking to German women that I'm not interested in more than friendship in, have told me that I needed to "hunt" around US military sites, which would seem a bit obvious but I have a problem with explaining why I was there? These are not holiday locations usually being deep in the boonies of Germany, surrounded by small towns and cities.

I was told to go to Berlin instead and I didn't listen...

I am venturing back to Europe I hope after Sept and wanted to land in Germany, spend a couple of days there but didn't want to rely solely on FKK's and Privates to get some "action" I think I can do good just meeting some girls and have it pay off in a few days as my intentions are Long Term anyway.

Help a Brotha out!

Any disco/nightclubs you can suggest???[/QUOTE]

What do you guys think about a new thread for exchanging opinions and experiences about german women?

[QUOTE=Ericklein]What do you guys think about a new thread for exchanging opinions and experiences about german women?[/QUOTE]

I assume that you mean non-pros? I would find that interesting and it may inspire me to meet some. My last experience with a non-pro German woman was a nightmare. She was, IMO, a bit of a psycho. After a half an hour of talking with her I would be questioning my own sanity and wondering which way was up & down. I have stuck to P4P ever since.

[QUOTE=Ericklein]What do you guys think about a new thread for exchanging opinions and experiences about german women?[/QUOTE]
Do you mean non-pros?

I know lots of German non-pros and can only say that if you get to know them before they turn neurotic, they are great to hang out. Most are quite uncomplicated.

By the time they turn thirty or so though, [i]Torschlusspanik[/i] sets in and some of them can't come to terms with it. Its their equivalent to a mid-life crisis.

But then again, most women no matter where they are from go through this too.

French women, however, no matter of what age, are complicated, even tiring.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Do you mean non-pros?

I know lots of German non-pros and can only say that if you get to know them before they turn neurotic, they are great to hang out. Most are quite uncomplicated.

By the time they turn thirty or so though, [i]Torschlusspanik[/i] sets in and some of them can't come to terms with it. Its their equivalent to a mid-life crisis.

But then again, most women no matter where they are from go through this too.

French women, however, no matter of what age, are complicated, even tiring.[/QUOTE]Amen to the above.

Give me a German woman over a French one anyday.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I assume that you mean non-pros? I would find that interesting and it may inspire me to meet some. My last experience with a non-pro German woman was a nightmare. She was, IMO, a bit of a psycho. After a half an hour of talking with her I would be questioning my own sanity and wondering which way was up & down. I have stuck to P4P ever since.[/QUOTE]

Yes indeed I mean non-pros. I am glad you have the same opinion with me. I lived in Germany for some years and I had negative experiences with german women!

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Do you mean non-pros?

I know lots of German non-pros and can only say that if you get to know them before they turn neurotic, they are great to hang out. Most are quite uncomplicated.

By the time they turn thirty or so though, [i]Torschlusspanik[/i] sets in and some of them can't come to terms with it. Its their equivalent to a mid-life crisis.

But then again, most women no matter where they are from go through this too.

French women, however, no matter of what age, are complicated, even tiring.[/QUOTE]

I never really thought about it, but now that you mention it, I realize that it is indeed usually the case .
It's long time ago that I lived in Germany, but after I realized that my chances to spend nice time with german girls are not good, I decided to look for other nationalities :D
My budget for p4p was not high, so I didn't even look for expensive clubs. Today things have changed and FKK clubs are on the top of my list every time I am in Germany!

[QUOTE=Drakar]I understand black men are well received at most of the FKK clubs, but what about the private apartments? Do these girls discriminate?[/QUOTE]
Not all FKK clubs are color blind. There are persistent reports about guys being turned down at the reception at Goldetime from time to time, for example. This seems to mostly apply to Middle Eastern and Arab looking men. But other guys have been turned down there too. It seems to be a random thing and it seems to depends on who the chick at the reception is.

There are specific FKK clubs which will turn you down at the front door saying that the club is for members only. This is code for "Germans only". Look to see if there is a German flag flying in front of the club.

The Alperbeck club (which is a former Red Carpet club) is notorious for this.

You can sometimes overcome this if you create a good impression, specifically if you speak fluent, accent free German even if you may not look German. How is your German? If you come across as an educated person you will create a much better impression than if you can only speak in pidgin German.

One of our distinguished colleagues on the Partytreff Forum, Dark Vader, has been turned down at various PTs. He is black. He also has had a great time at other clubs.

Remember that its also one thing for them to take your money at the reception and let you in, its another thing for the women to provide you with service. As we are reminded every now and then, the women have the right to refuse service to whoever they want.

So in answer to your question, it depends. The women have their prejudices but so then do you and I and everyone else for that matter.

By the way, you don't want to session with a chick who sends you signals that she doesn't want to be with you. Her body language won't lie.

If she smiles at you when you smile at her, that is a good sign. If you can make her laugh, then you will both have a good time.

Its amazing how some guys ignore these things and then complain afterwards that they had a bad time.

I looked around to find some information on escort services, but I didn't find any deticated forum for that. Is there any forum I missed?

[QUOTE=Ericklein]I looked around to find some information on escort services, but I didn't find any deticated forum for that. Is there any forum I missed?[/QUOTE]

There are no escort specific forums here on ISG. Each city's forum will contain some escort info if members have posted such info.

There are other websites with more extensive escort info but they are German forums. In any case I only really know about the Berlin scene.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]There are no escort specific forums here on ISG. Each city's forum will contain some escort info if members have posted such info.

There are other websites with more extensive escort info but they are German forums. In any case I only really know about the Berlin scene.[/QUOTE]

Do you guys think that it is needed to have a deticated forum about escort services? After making a research in the web, I realized that it is not a small field.
In my opinion, it should be a forum direct under Europe and not specific in any Country

[QUOTE=Ericklein]Do you guys think that it is needed to have a deticated forum about escort services? After making a research in the web, I realized that it is not a small field.
In my opinion, it should be a forum direct under Europe and not specific in any Country[/QUOTE]
... a good alternative to the FKK clubs or the Wohnungspuffs because a) they are more expensive, b) its hit or miss, c) you have no recourse if you have a problem, d) you can't screen the women like you can at an FKK club, e) the women and agencies come and go - its way too transient.

Same thing with the street scene.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]... a good alternative to the FKK clubs or the Wohnungspuffs because a) they are more expensive, b) its hit or miss, c) you have no recourse if you have a problem, d) you can't screen the women like you can at an FKK club, e) the women and agencies come and go - its way too transient.

Same thing with the street scene.[/QUOTE]

I agree with the points you are mentioning, but it's interesting to have a lady with you for a couple of days and if you are lucky to experience real GFE.
Have you ever tried this by the way?
The reason for starting this discussion, is that in my opinion it is necessary to have a forum deticated to Escort Services, so that the members can report which agencies/ladies to avoid and which are recommended.

[QUOTE=Ericklein]I agree with the points you are mentioning, but it's interesting to have a lady with you for a couple of days and if you are lucky to experience real GFE.
Have you ever tried this by the way?
The reason for starting this discussion, is that in my opinion it is necessary to have a forum deticated to Escort Services, so that the members can report which agencies/ladies to avoid and which are recommended.[/QUOTE]
I've met German dudes who visit Thailand and find temporary girlfriends for their vacations. They basically move in with you, cook your meals, take you around and you have sex as often as you want.

Its affordable there. It would be outrageously expensive in Germany.

So nope, I've not tried it.

[QUOTE=Jackyo]I've met German dudes who visit Thailand and find temporary girlfriends for their vacations. They basically move in with you, cook your meals, take you around and you have sex as often as you want.

Its affordable there. It would be outrageously expensive in Germany.

So nope, I've not tried it.[/QUOTE]I've been to thailand many times, and the GFE there Is totally different than In the west. Some of the girls pretend to like you, and yes It Is fairly cheap to take girls longtime.

I am thinking about going to the KitKat club, there will be a big event in KOLN this month! Just wondering if anyone has every been to the KitKat club events in Berlin or Koln and is there any advise!

Thanks

Hi guys,

I was wondering if anyone knew of about the establishment called Private Studios in Deusseldorf? I looked at their website but the women seem to beautiful to be true. Here is the website:

[url]http://www.termingirls.com/now_available.php[/url]

I will be making a week long fkk tour around March 15th and would like to know if this place is worth visiting.

Thanks for any info you may about this place!

A few words about street prostition

Muhlheimer strasse, Duisburg. Zoo Parkplatz: maybe a visitor in Germany is in a car on a dark wet evening and sees a procession of cars going slowly bumper to bumper along three rows of a large car park (maybe the size of a football pitch or two) in apparent convoy. On the assumption that a crowd means something of interest to some people it may be worth investigating. A quick turn off the road into the car park to join the convoy.

Along each unlit avenue of trees marking each row there emerge one by one,separated by maybe 10 -20 metres, into the headlights a variety of women, dressed mainly in jeans, but a few with boots and short skirts. In total about 15 women on a cold wet night. All unmistakenly interested in the drivers. Cost is 30E (or just 20E for oral only). A woman goes off in a customer’s car to a far part of the car park and return in under ten minutes. The women include under 25s, east European, asian, and are generally slim to medium build.

No idea what the place looks like in daylight when it reverts to a Zoo carpark. Who clears up the mess and debris of used condoms and papers?

Compared to an FKK this may not be good value, but it is something which, in variation, exists is quite a few towns in Nordwest Rhein Westphalia. However this does not mean street prostitution is always ok – in some places there are local prohibitions – for example there is a total prohibition around Charlottenstrasse in Dusseldorf (near the Hauptbahnhof), enforced by police patrols, and in Am Probsthof in Bonn it is allowed only between 20.00 and 06.00. Other permitted locations include Pferdebahnstr in Essen

[QUOTE=Cordelia Shiatsu]A few words about street prostition

Muhlheimer strasse, Duisburg. Zoo Parkplatz: maybe a visitor in Germany is in a car on a dark wet evening and sees a procession of cars going slowly bumper to bumper along three rows of a large car park (maybe the size of a football pitch or two) in apparent convoy. On the assumption that a crowd means something of interest to some people it may be worth investigating. A quick turn off the road into the car park to join the convoy.

Along each unlit avenue of trees marking each row there emerge one by one,separated by maybe 10 -20 metres, into the headlights a variety of women, dressed mainly in jeans, but a few with boots and short skirts. In total about 15 women on a cold wet night. All unmistakenly interested in the drivers. Cost is 30E (or just 20E for oral only). A woman goes off in a customer’s car to a far part of the car park and return in under ten minutes. The women include under 25s, east European, asian, and are generally slim to medium build.

No idea what the place looks like in daylight when it reverts to a Zoo carpark. Who clears up the mess and debris of used condoms and papers?

Compared to an FKK this may not be good value, but it is something which, in variation, exists is quite a few towns in Nordwest Rhein Westphalia. However this does not mean street prostitution is always ok – in some places there are local prohibitions – for example there is a total prohibition around Charlottenstrasse in Dusseldorf (near the Hauptbahnhof), enforced by police patrols, and in Am Probsthof in Bonn it is allowed only between 20.00 and 06.00. Other permitted locations include Pferdebahnstr in Essen[/QUOTE]
Local prohibitions block off certain areas and streets from this activity in order to get some control over it.

In some instances the women drive to the area in camper vans and you can retire to a more comfortable setting than just finding a corner in the woods or being serviced in your car.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I assume that you mean non-pros? I would find that interesting and it may inspire me to meet some. My last experience with a non-pro German woman was a nightmare. She was, IMO, a bit of a psycho. After a half an hour of talking with her I would be questioning my own sanity and wondering which way was up & down. I have stuck to P4P ever since.[/QUOTE]

LOL, how come I don't find that unique at all... I think its safe to say within Western Culture you can find your assorted "fruits and nuts" in the dating pool.

I think a specific thread on German women might be helpful overall. I have been exposed to German women and German culture on a small scale and on the surface it has enough in common with the US to make it far beyond tolerable for dating and long term relationships.

Nothing will put a thumping on your wallet faster than a typical American woman thus I find the general pragmatism of most European women to be refreshing.

I scrapped plans for late last year in favor of a much more in depth long term plan using either The Netherlands or Germany as my base of operations with the goal being to date locally whenever possible.

Is there some interest in this?

[QUOTE=Jackyo]Not all FKK clubs are color blind. There are persistent reports about guys being turned down at the reception at Goldetime from time to time, for example. This seems to mostly apply to Middle Eastern and Arab looking men. But other guys have been turned down there too. It seems to be a random thing and it seems to depends on who the chick at the reception is.

There are specific FKK clubs which will turn you down at the front door saying that the club is for members only. This is code for "Germans only". Look to see if there is a German flag flying in front of the club.

The Alperbeck club (which is a former Red Carpet club) is notorious for this.

You can sometimes overcome this if you create a good impression, specifically if you speak fluent, accent free German even if you may not look German. How is your German? If you come across as an educated person you will create a much better impression than if you can only speak in pidgin German.

One of our distinguished colleagues on the Partytreff Forum, Dark Vader, has been turned down at various PTs. He is black. He also has had a great time at other clubs.

Remember that its also one thing for them to take your money at the reception and let you in, its another thing for the women to provide you with service. As we are reminded every now and then, the women have the right to refuse service to whoever they want.

So in answer to your question, it depends. The women have their prejudices but so then do you and I and everyone else for that matter.

By the way, you don't want to session with a chick who sends you signals that she doesn't want to be with you. Her body language won't lie.

If she smiles at you when you smile at her, that is a good sign. If you can make her laugh, then you will both have a good time.

Its amazing how some guys ignore these things and then complain afterwards that they had a bad time.[/QUOTE]

My best sessions happen when it was plainly obvious she was interested in me. Being of color I was slightly surprised, but not shocked. I find that if you have a problem with anything and you think it has to do with your skin color, move on, there is surely somebody else out there that finds you interesting or will be happy to do business with you.

BTW my German is strictly the basics.... Yes, No, Thank You and "No Problem"

What do you mean for 20 euros/oral? A swallow blowjob? Moreover, di you see a lot of Ukrainian girls there? Or which places do you think we could find a lot of Ukrainian girls in Germany?

[QUOTE=Cordelia Shiatsu]A few words about street prostition

Muhlheimer strasse, Duisburg. Zoo Parkplatz: maybe a visitor in Germany is in a car on a dark wet evening and sees a procession of cars going slowly bumper to bumper along three rows of a large car park (maybe the size of a football pitch or two) in apparent convoy. On the assumption that a crowd means something of interest to some people it may be worth investigating. A quick turn off the road into the car park to join the convoy.

Along each unlit avenue of trees marking each row there emerge one by one,separated by maybe 10 -20 metres, into the headlights a variety of women, dressed mainly in jeans, but a few with boots and short skirts. In total about 15 women on a cold wet night. All unmistakenly interested in the drivers. Cost is 30E (or just 20E for oral only). A woman goes off in a customer’s car to a far part of the car park and return in under ten minutes. The women include under 25s, east European, asian, and are generally slim to medium build.

No idea what the place looks like in daylight when it reverts to a Zoo carpark. Who clears up the mess and debris of used condoms and papers?

Compared to an FKK this may not be good value, but it is something which, in variation, exists is quite a few towns in Nordwest Rhein Westphalia. However this does not mean street prostitution is always ok – in some places there are local prohibitions – for example there is a total prohibition around Charlottenstrasse in Dusseldorf (near the Hauptbahnhof), enforced by police patrols, and in Am Probsthof in Bonn it is allowed only between 20.00 and 06.00. Other permitted locations include Pferdebahnstr in Essen[/QUOTE]

hi everybody intereszed in mongering in germany.

i am a german and therefore can maybe be of some help for you coming to germany and wanting to enjoy some girls here. i live in the state of north rhine westfalia and will post some more details in the city threads fpr bonn and düsseldorf,the main area of my mongering.

as you all can see by my nickname i am mostly interested in asian girls. so my experience is mostly with nice small thai girls who offer bbbjcim and anal as this are my favorites.

i have had also some east europe girls, but only a few, some of them will offer you all without cover, but i never choose this option.

i think i start by giving a few general facts about prostitution in germany.

working girls can be found in different locations

1. strassenstrich - street prostitution, without a car it is not of interest to go there, because the deed is done in your car, most of the girls working the street come from east europe or/and are drug addicts. you´ll find a "strassenstrich" in every mayor city, but i never got a girl there. prices should start there with 20 or 30€.

2. laufhaus - eros center, many girls working in a big house were you walk in and have a look at the girls who are standing in the doors to their rooms.
prices should start from 30€ for oral and/or sex.

3. wohnungspuff - appartments, where 1 or more girls offer there service. usually you make an appointment by phone before, where you also have the chance to ask more details about service and price. in most cases you´ll go for 1/2 or full hour with prices ranging from 50-100€ for half hour. some extras like anal or cim may be charged extra.

4. clubs - prices may very, but again there i never went and i dont have more detailde information.

to find some girls i can recomend following webpage:

[url]http://www.sexrelax.de/region/kategorie/girls-privatclubs[/url]

the page is in german, but you get some details about girls and service mostly in appartments, but also some clubs and fkks.

to help you along i will give a translation of most of the offert services:

französisch - bj
französisch ohne - bbbj
französisch total - bbbjcim
französich beidseitig - daty
gesichtsbesamung - facial
körperbesamung - cob
spanisch - titfuck
ns - [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url]

sop take a look, call the girls ( most will speak some english ) and enjoy.

for any questions.... feel free to ask

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Hello All,,
Just dropping in your wonderful country for a few weeks and thought I’d start with a quick update. …. I'm posting this here since it covers such a vast area.

My adventure started in Munich, I arrived a little later then I had planned on Friday . So after checking in and a quick shower I headed over to Machtifingrtstrasse 24, did a quick walk through and then headed over to #12. I was in the mood for asian , so I went back to house 24 and looked at Wolke7 (???) Cherry was on my list, along with two others who were not posted that night. I rang her bell and she came out. Much different then what is posted on ladies.de. I thought ok, she’s not that bad, a solid 7. “Stretch Marks, like she’s had a baby or two” Not at all like the pictures. But, very doable. I mean I never f*cked a 10, and I wouldn’t a pay to f*ck five twos either :o). So off to her room, and let me thank all of you for your info. I downloaded close to 80% of the post in the German thread to include FKKs and Party houses. Ok back to the report. We undress and I lay 100 euros on the nightstand. I didn’t ask for the services, or negotiate any thing. She started to caress me and her hands wonder all over. A little BBJ action, I rolled her into a 69 position and off I went. Next thing I know she’s sitting on my face and I’m tongue fucking her. She cums …. I know, I have the face to prove it….LOL. Anyway, condom goes on, I didn’t even notice. She rides me cowgirl and then to doggie and we finish with me pounding her in mish. Afterwards, we laid there, for a minute or two. She cleaned me up and told me to roll over for a massage. Not at all a clock watch, she enjoys her work. I probably would not repeat with her. Only because there are to many choice in your city.
Day Two….
So that was night one, the next day Saturday, I ventured out to Euro Industriepark, lots of choices there. Went with an older provider on Elisabeth-Selbert Str #9, Susi….. DATY, 69, CBJ and multi positions. You can find her on ….rotelaterne.de. She’s a non-rusher, and a great kisser. Afterwards still a little horny I drove over to Maria-Probst, didn’t see anything, so I then went to Helene Wessel Bogen7 again not anything that was eye catching. So I head over to Haus Vital(???) Found a nice little Thai in room 5, wow…definite repeat with her. Standard fee on all the above ….. 100E for 30 minutes.
Day Three Sunday……
Made it K-town, and headed west to Saarbrucken…… Visited my first Partytreff…..Geizstall on Hochstr 123. 80E to enter with as much f*cking as you want. However, four girls were working…. Nothing to get excited about…. Took a young blonde and visited the steam room/sauna and then left. No one spoke English. I’m still learning German. 80 euro is a good price, but there were to many rules…. The girls can wait up to an hour if they wish. You can’t keep taking the same girl. I was not impressed with the other selections. 80 euro ….. Two hours with a 45min session with one girl…. Not bad, beats 100 for 30mins.

Can anyone give me any info on Parkplatzsex??? Or is there anywhere in the Kaiserslautern area to find street workers???

Heading out again this weekend .... not sure where... maybe to Muschi Club or Asian World. Will post again.


Skeet

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Time to "strike the iron while it is hot" as it appears to be a mutually beneficial time for mongers and SPs alike as the SPs SHOULD be more appreciative(hopefully, this will translate into better sessions) of the business and the average monger can save money!

Question: I will be driving to/from Frankfurt along A3 and I was wondering if any fellow mongers had any knowledge of usually reliable Parkplatzsex locations?

Thank you!

Hi fellow mongers

I just decided to share my experience with my three favorite girls in Germany. 2 are located in Düsseldorf and one in Aachen. So I start with the 2 in DD.

1. Nina

Nina is a small Thai girl, working at home, which is located in the north of Düsseldorf, not far away from the airport.

She is a real beuty with nice tuned tits. For 150€/h you get BBBJ, CIM, anal, DATY. She will perform DATO for you if you like.Also she will do deepthroat, if your dick is not too long.

[url]http://www.sexrelax.de/club_girls_detail/name/asiasun/girl/nina/from_kategorie/girls-privatclubs/from_a/club_159[/url]

2. Naomi

Naomi is a brazilian woman of about 40. Really small, and not a beauty, but ok in the looks. What se and her friend Melissa lack in looks they make up in service/price. They have a very short price list. 50€ for halfhour, 100€ for one hour. For that you get everything. Anal, CIM, deepthroat. And believe my, I never met an other girl who could take such a hard assfucking as these two. Absolute great. Melissa will even swallow.

They dont have a homepage, so heres the phonenumber for them:
01701917025

Now my absolute favorite girl. She works in Aachen, Antoniusstr.

Her name is Maggy and she is a thai girl. She can be found in house number 20. You can recognize her from her mole on her face. She may not be the most beautiful girl, but she is a real sex addict. Despite being married to a farely well off guy she went back to the business, because she didn´t get enough sex at home. She just works for the fun of it, she told me.

I don´t know what is the basic prize, as i allways only go for one hour minimum which comes at 100€. For that you get BBBJ, CIM, DATY, DATO and hardcore sex or the perfect GFE. IF she is into it she will do anal, but that only if your dick is ok for that, meaninh not too big.

She is a rare diamond in Antoniusstr, because most girls there are from east europe and will try to rip you off. So try her, and you will be satisfied.

Sorry, no phonenumber here, as she only gives it to regulars.
Don´t be offended if she tells you no, because as she is doing it mostly for the fun of it, she regularly rejects guys she dont like.

So have fun

AAA

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I have been making sex trips to Germany regularly for 5 years now, and I am amazed at the amount of guys I have met who are looking for bareback sex with working girls. So with that in mind I thought I would put together a little bareback guide.

Please don’t bother flaming me if you are offended at bareback activity. I just want to present the correct information as I do with every other aspect of the German paid sex world that I regularly comment on.

The Dedicated Bareback Clubs:

1) [url]http://www.club-laluna-moers.de/[/url] is a dedicated bareback club. €120 per hour and €90 per half hour with a young Romanian girl. Also they have a monthly gangbang, first Monday of every month, from 6 pm to 9pm, a complete sperm bath.
Reports:
Regular - [url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=880250&postcount=2054[/url]
Gangbang - [url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=901945&postcount=2746[/url]

2) [url]http://www.diva-diskretempfang.de/index.htm[/url] is about 5km from La Luna. Bareback here is €140 per hour I think.
Reports:
We have no reports on this club.

3) [url]http://www.clubtabulos.de[/url] I have personally visited here a few times. €160 for 3 x 30 minute sessions Mon Tues and Thurs. €120 for 3 x 30 minute sessions on Wed and Fri. Two Party treff days per month costing €120 for all day visit. Not all the girls in this club allow bareback but some certainly do.
Reports:
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2854[/url]

4) [url]http://www.chilly-time.eu/[/url] offered bareback in their old guise, until they closed in June. They have reopened recently but we don’t know if bareback is still offered. More on the current Chilly time services here: [url]http://www.klick-mich.de/clubcard/chilly-time[/url]
Reports:
No reports yet on the current reopened club

5) Three of the former chilly time girls are now working out of a private apartment in Dahlener str. 621, Rheydt. They apparently offer 30 minutes bareback sex for €40. Open Mon - Fri, from 10 am to 9pm. Pia is the name on the bell. No Website but phone (+49) 015112901902. Again no reports.

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Private apartments, Window type women, Eros centers and street girls.

I have no experience of any of these, but I have been told that bareback is very common especially with women in Private apartments. It may take a few visits to build a sort of relationship and trust before these women will allow the cock without the cover into their pussy.

Although my friend Col Bog, a man not shy about his love of bareback sex recently managed a bareback session with a South American lady in the Duisburg Eros center.
Report: [url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=904120&postcount=271[/url]

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FKK and Sauna clubs:

I have been told that bareback is available in many FKK and Sauna clubs, but usually a relationship must be established with the girl in question before she will allow it. I personally reckon that a certain % of working girls in any club might do it if enough money is offered.

A lot of women in Bernds also indulge apparently but I havent seen any reports lately suggesting that, again I think you need to be a regular in Bernds to get that kind of service and I believe the girls charge around €100 extra per session for bareback, but I am open to correction on this.

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Partytreff clubs

Apart from the two partytreff days in Club Tabulos (see above) I do NOT believe bareback is available in any of the normal €100 per day type partytreff clubs.

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If you are happy reading German the Freirforum have a special section devoted to "Tabulos & Spezielles" [url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/bb/forumdisplay.php?f=142[/url]

There you can find several tips about finding bareback sex in Germany. Bareback sex is generally referred to as "AO" (Alles ohne = everything without).

A discussion about finding bareback sex at Bernd´s Schieferhof can be found here (in German) [url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/bb/showthread.php?t=3779[/url]

According to this discussion you could bareback about 50% of the girls at Bernd's but it should be handled discretely. My understanding is that it cost 50 Euro extra and that 100 Euro is the total price for a session.

The bareback club La Luna in Moers have a special section at Freierforum [url]http://www.freiermagazin.de/bb/forumdisplay.php?f=351[/url]

I have got good bareback sex at La Luna but I also like to be able to speak with the girl. Most girls at La Luna is neither good in German nor in speaking English.

According to reports in Freierforum it is easy to get bareback sex at asian massage places. Many times without any extra cost and sometimes the girl mount you bareback without asking.

[QUOTE=Wan King]I have been making sex trips to Germany regularly for 5 years now, and I am amazed at the amount of guys I have met who are looking for bareback sex with working girls. So with that in mind I thought I would put together a little bareback guide.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wan King]So with that in mind I thought I would put together a little bareback guide.[/QUOTE]
Some more links to publicy advertized bareback sex in Germany:

[url=http://www.owl6.de/rose-pb/?con_id=TwDz7Ey]Bareback Gang Bang in Club Rose[/url]

[url=http://www.fickanzeiger.com/ao-girls]Bareback sex classified ads[/url]: most of the listed girls work in Club La Luna

[url=http://www.privatclub-neby.de]Club Neby[/url]: service is offered only from selected girls, look for "Alles ohne"

IMO there is no need for a "bareback list" on a forum.

Bareback is available almost everywhere, FKK and sauna clubs (GT, Bernds, Villa Vertigo, Living Room, Oase, World, Palace, Blue Note, F39, Babylon,....), private apartments (Traumparadies,......), window type women, eros centers, street girls and Partytreffs

- for extra cash or for free

- when you are a regular or when you are a first-timer

There has always been bareback in the "Milieu" and it will always be so in the future.
Stay safe, always ask for a condom, no girl will force you to go bareback, even at Club Tabulos or LaLuna.

[QUOTE=Ace Montana]IMO there is no need for a "bareback list" on a forum.

Bareback is available almost everywhere, FKK and sauna clubs (GT, Bernds, Villa Vertigo, Living Room, Oase, World, Palace, Blue Note, F39, Babylon,....), private apartments (Traumparadies,......), window type women, eros centers, street girls and Partytreffs

- for extra cash or for free

- when you are a regular or when you are a first-timer

There has always been bareback in the "Milieu" and it will always be so in the future.
Stay safe, always ask for a condom, no girl will force you to go bareback, even at Club Tabulos or LaLuna.[/QUOTE]
It is available if you ask discretely.

I've never indulged myself but I've heard of it being available over and over again and at every club you can think of.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I assume that you mean non-pros? I would find that interesting and it may inspire me to meet some. My last experience with a non-pro German woman was a nightmare. She was, IMO, a bit of a psycho. After a half an hour of talking with her I would be questioning my own sanity and wondering which way was up & down. I have stuck to P4P ever since.[/QUOTE]
Are there any English language (or automatically translated) social networking or dating sites to reach non-pros?

In Russia there is Mamba/Date.ru which runs the gamut from P4P (clearly identified) through a rainbow of sex relationships down to girls who just want internet friends. Anything equivalent in Germany? I don't mean Facebook or its equivalents which are too low-yield for my taste, but something specifically sex-oriented and ideally aimed at foreigners...

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Are there any English language (or automatically translated) social networking or dating sites to reach non-pros?

In Russia there is Mamba/Date.ru which runs the gamut from P4P (clearly identified) through a rainbow of sex relationships down to girls who just want internet friends. Anything equivalent in Germany? I don't mean Facebook or its equivalents which are too low-yield for my taste, but something specifically sex-oriented and ideally aimed at foreigners...[/QUOTE]

HI GT,

I am not sure if this is what you are looking for but have a look at this site:

[url]http://www.poppen.de/[/url]

It is in German but can be roughly translated using googletrans or some other such translation service. I have not myself explored it very extensively but there does seem to be both ladies with financial interests and those just looking for sex.

Good luck and do please post any of your findings that you care to share.

AM

Hi There,

Any recommendation for asian girls in Frankfurt? I will be visiting Frankfurt for few days in October and would appreciate your feedback.

Thanks,

Aussie

[QUOTE=All About Asians]Hi fellow mongers

I just decided to share my experience with my three favorite girls in Germany. 2 are located in Düsseldorf and one in Aachen. So I start with the 2 in DD.

1. Nina

Nina is a small Thai girl, working at home, which is located in the north of Düsseldorf, not far away from the airport.

She is a real beuty with nice tuned tits. For 150€/h you get BBBJ, CIM, anal, DATY. She will perform DATO for you if you like.Also she will do deepthroat, if your dick is not too long.

[url]http://www.sexrelax.de/club_girls_detail/name/asiasun/girl/nina/from_kategorie/girls-privatclubs/from_a/club_159[/url]

2. Naomi

Naomi is a brazilian woman of about 40. Really small, and not a beauty, but ok in the looks. What se and her friend Melissa lack in looks they make up in service/price. They have a very short price list. 50€ for halfhour, 100€ for one hour. For that you get everything. Anal, CIM, deepthroat. And believe my, I never met an other girl who could take such a hard assfucking as these two. Absolute great. Melissa will even swallow.

They dont have a homepage, so heres the phonenumber for them:
01701917025

Now my absolute favorite girl. She works in Aachen, Antoniusstr.

Her name is Maggy and she is a thai girl. She can be found in house number 20. You can recognize her from her mole on her face. She may not be the most beautiful girl, but she is a real sex addict. Despite being married to a farely well off guy she went back to the business, because she didn´t get enough sex at home. She just works for the fun of it, she told me.

I don´t know what is the basic prize, as i allways only go for one hour minimum which comes at 100€. For that you get BBBJ, CIM, DATY, DATO and hardcore sex or the perfect GFE. IF she is into it she will do anal, but that only if your dick is ok for that, meaninh not too big.

She is a rare diamond in Antoniusstr, because most girls there are from east europe and will try to rip you off. So try her, and you will be satisfied.

Sorry, no phonenumber here, as she only gives it to regulars.
Don´t be offended if she tells you no, because as she is doing it mostly for the fun of it, she regularly rejects guys she dont like.

So have fun

AAA

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But would welcome any feedback.

Many thanks

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[QUOTE=Dancing Wolf]Hello all,

I was wondering if any body knows of a hobby hure Lisa [url]www.nylon-babe.com[/url] or have used her services

Shes based down in Freiburg and sent me an email, but its all in german which I don't quite understand

But would welcome any feedback.

Many thanks

DW[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rufus T Firefly]US Residents are going to have problems using their debit and credit cards outside the USA. See this post I recently submitted[/QUOTE]

Here's a followup on this issue...

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=942394&postcount=4150[/url]

Rufus

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It has been two years since my inaugural baptism in to the perverted waters in the land of FKK's, partytreffs, and erotic discos. A return engagement was well in order. Thank you very much to such intrepid reporters as the legendary Wan King, Dark Vader, Col Bog, Angus, and the rest of the merry crew. You guys have really kept me informed of the latest news and clubs, not to mention the vicarious thrills your posts have provided me in these United States of A-bore-ica. Gentlemen, you are doing the mongering world a great service. Please keep it up (pun intended). To do my part, I spent one great week in November travelling around Germany with one day in Holland. I will report on 14 different venues. My schedule was as follows:

Day 1. Chillytime Salon and Viersen PTT

Day 2. Drueber und Drunther Swingertreff and Mettmann PTT

Day 3. PTT Flair and Club Dolce Vita

Day 4 (Holland Day Sauce). Villa Liberta and Showboat

Day 5. Living Room Kaarst and Beverly Erotic Disco

Day 6. Planet Happy Garden and Goldentime FKK

Day 7. Pia's Apartment and FKK World

There were terrible disappointments, honest surprises, monotony, confusion, ecstatic encounters, glorious sights, etc. All the things that things that make travel so great. Please stay tuned!

[QUOTE=Lovemissile] I will report on 14 different venues. My schedule was as follows:[/QUOTE]

Mate, u visited some very under reported clubs. Looking forward to ur findings..

Will be heading to the Mainz area in a couple of weeks.

Anybody got any ideas for PT, FKK or RLD action in the area?

All I've come up with so far is Crazy Sexy but the reviews on that joint on the German forums have been uniformly awful. I know that I can go into Frankfurt but I was keen to avoid that if possible.

Grateful for any suggestions.

Any suggestions on FKK or other action in Kassel? I’ll be there for a few days, with a rented car, and I’ll appreciate any answers from you experienced guys.

[QUOTE=Moshe1]Any suggestions on FKK or other action in Kassel? I’ll be there for a few days, with a rented car, and I’ll appreciate any answers from you experienced guys.[/QUOTE]

If you don't mind about 1-hour drive, point your car southwards down the A5 from Kassel to Giessen and head for FKKWorld. Get off at the Fernwald exit...

O

Thank you, Ortos.

A closer (and probably cheaper) option seems to be the Saunaclub Parkschloss Dali in Marsberg, west of Kassel.

I also found not at about the same distance the Saunaclub Harem, Das 5. Element and the FKK Traumland.

How would you compare between them?

And what about a regular brothel, is there anything recommended closer to Kassel?

[QUOTE=Ortos]If you don't mind about 1-hour drive, point your car southwards down the A5 from Kassel to Giessen and head for FKKWorld....

O[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]American Women vs German Women

I would suggest going online, but I'm not sure that would work as I am not Caucasian and I knew where to find German women interested in African-American men and I have been very successful.[/QUOTE]Hey man, I am not caucasian either, so, I would appreciate if you can help me where to go.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Otherwise, there is not a thread about picking up "freebies" in Germany, but after my trip I shall drop as much science about German women and dating while being seperated by 10, 000 miles as I can, though I have to drop in the disclaimer than what happens to me, might not happen to you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, agreed, but, real date is always better, so, please help me.

I mean, how is the social scene in Germany, Is it like going to the bar and you can find some ladies who are actively or passively looking for some action, Some dating site in enlish popular here, how is it? What bars or clubs can you suggest?

[QUOTE=Moshe1]Thank you, Ortos.

A closer (and probably cheaper) option seems to be the Saunaclub Parkschloss Dali in Marsberg, west of Kassel.

I also found not at about the same distance the Saunaclub Harem, Das 5. Element and the FKK Traumland.

How would you compare between them?

And what about a regular brothel, is there anything recommended closer to Kassel?[/QUOTE]


If it were me, I would not be concentrating on trying to save ten/twenty euros on the entry fee, nor would it bother me (personally) to drive extra distance in order to reach a truly superior venue. World is a couple of rungs above the places you listed. For me it's all about the quality and variety (that means: vastness) of the line-up of girls. I can be more assured that I will get as many choices of the types of girls I like at World than at the other possible choices. Plus, bear in mind that World is only about 25 minutes from Oase, so you could also consider that as an option.

O

Sensible advise, Ortos; I like the reasoning.

And how it would compare World with Oase?

[QUOTE=Ortos] ... it's all about the quality and variety ... Plus, bear in mind ... Oase... as an option. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Moshe1]Sensible advise, Ortos; I like the reasoning.

And how it would compare World with Oase?[/QUOTE]


Both World and Oase are in the same (top) league when it comes to FKKs. World has great facilities, whilst Oase has perhaps a more diverse line-up. (That does not mean World has a bad line-up by any means!) Both can shine on the right night. The choice might partly be dependent on which night of the week you plan to visit. But otherwise either one will satisfy.

[QUOTE=Ortos]Both World and Oase are in the same (top) league when it comes to FKKs....[/QUOTE]Thank you Ortos!

I came across this today.

[url]http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/0,1518,697267,00.html[/url]

It is in German but as far as I could understand the federal government is considering passing a mandatory condom law for brothels. What is not clear is how the law would be enforced and against whom the fines would be levied.
The article states that the brothel would have to clearly point out that condoms must be used.

The article also mentions (I think) some sort of new compulsory license for brothels, though I am not sure how this differers from licensing rules already in place.

Just thought this might be of interest.

AM

The article quotes "ungeschützten Geschlechtsverkehr nicht zulassen", i.e. "not allowing unprotected intercourse". To me that sounds like condoms won't be mandatory during oral sex.

[QUOTE=Masayama]The article quotes "ungeschützten Geschlechtsverkehr nicht zulassen", i.e. "not allowing unprotected intercourse". To me that sounds like condoms won't be mandatory during oral sex.[/QUOTE]

Yes I did wonder about this but did not see anywhere where it indicated the law would include bareback oral.

But the pessimist in me wonders if it is only a matter of time...

The optimist sees that enforcing such a law would be all but impossible, as it is in the southern regions I hear.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I came across this today.

[url]http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/0,1518,697267,00.html[/url]

It is in German but as far as I could understand the federal government is considering passing a mandatory condom law for brothels. What is not clear is how the law would be enforced and against whom the fines would be levied.
[/QUOTE]

The articel says also that it will be impossible to check. It is a do-gooder law (Gutmenschen), without any sense and consequences.

Hi,

I'm looking for a german escort agency site. It had some girls coming from other countries. It was something like susan. Something.

[QUOTE=Nolyn]Hi,

I'm looking for a german escort agency site. It had some girls coming from other countries. It was something like susan. Something.[/QUOTE]


Sorry Nolyn but you will have to give us a wee bit more than that. Even with my sometime embarrassingly encyclopedic knowledge of Berlin P4P, I can not come up with anything with "something like susan".

But if you are looking for an escort agency with foreign girls pretty much any Berlin agency will fit the bill. In fact it is a good deal harder to find German girls in Berlin. Have a look at the Berlin thread. Plenty (or a good number anyway) of recommendations there.

AM

I think I found what I was looking for, termingirls.

[QUOTE=Nolyn]Hi,

I'm looking for a german escort agency site. It had some girls coming from other countries.[/QUOTE]

All? Mostly Eastern European girls are in the business.

Hi All,

I have to go from Den Haag to Hannover and unfortunately I don't have enough time.
What I want to know is :
Where is the best FKK to stay for 2~3 hours without too much waste of time to get there in that journey?
Thanks in advance.

Fellow

Hi all,

I saw this escort agency on another thread and on visiting the site was blown away by some of the girls. Especially this one:

[url]http://www.greta-brentano.com/#kristina_nilsson.php[/url]

I wonder if any of our friends in Berlin (Angus perhaps?) have hired this girl and can report back or, if not her, any other girl from this agency? It seems like a real top notch escort agency and, though rather expensive on first appearance, if you work it out *per hour* it is not much more than an hour with a girl in an FKK per hour (including one extra such as CIM for example).

OK, a 1000 euros is a hell of a lot of money to drop in one day (6 hours in fact) but six hours of sex play is a lot.

I'd love to get some feedback because i've decided that, all things going well, I'm going to book this girl on my next visit to Berlin but don't want to blow that sort of money on a scam or subpar service.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]

It was something like susan. Something.

Sorry Nolyn but you will have to give us a wee bit more than that.
I can not come up with anything with "something like susan".

All? Mostly Eastern European girls are in the business.
[/QUOTE]
AM,

The clue is Zuzana.

Hence Termingirls.

Majority are Hungarian.

VG.

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006]I'd love to get some feedback because i've decided that, all things going well, I'm going to book this girl on my next visit to Berlin but don't want to blow that sort of money on a scam or subpar service.[/QUOTE]


Hi Sybarite,

Your post got lost in the delay I think. That is it got posted a post down and did not show up in the new posts display on the front page of the forum and therefore I missed it.

Anyway-sorry to say that I have no experience with the girl or the agency. In fact I have never even seen this agency before. It is a little rich for my blood and tastes as a matter of fact.

Looking at the website I doubt it is an out & out scam. It is just as a matter of personal taste that I am turned off by the whole expensive courtesan flavor of such agencies. I prefer a wh*re to be a wh*re, with the metaphoric stink of her other customers still upon her (note I said metaphoric), not an illusory fine bottle of unopened French champagne.

But that is just a matter of taste.

Maybe Hektor from the Berlin thread has an idea of this agency as I know his tastes run more towards exclusivity than do mine. I do suggest posting your request for info again in that thread as it is more likely to be seen.

Regards

AM

[QUOTE=Nolyn]I think I found what I was looking for, termingirls.[/QUOTE]

you mean [url]http://www.termingirls24.de/[/url] they have a Incall place In Ratingen near Dueselldorf, I've never been, but they have some nice looking Hungarian girls.

So I am looking to buy a prepaid SIM-card on my next trip to Germany as I would like to use my new smartphone which has GPS and such fun stuff and that requires quite a lot of data traffic costs. However I'm not very good in the german language so I could use some help. Anyone have experience with german prepaid phones? I dont wanna call a lot but use the internet. Found T-Mobile and this might be what I'm looking for:

[url]http://www.t-mobile.de/prepaid-tarife/0,20496,18518-_,00.html?WT.svl=100[/url]

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=John Moore]So I am looking to buy a prepaid SIM-card on my next trip to Germany as I would like to use my new smartphone which has GPS and such fun stuff and that requires quite a lot of data traffic costs. However I'm not very good in the german language so I could use some help. Anyone have experience with german prepaid phones? I dont wanna call a lot but use the internet. Found T-Mobile and this might be what I'm looking for:

[url]http://www.t-mobile.de/prepaid-tarife/0,20496,18518-_,00.html?WT.svl=100[/url]

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

Best in my opinion would be to download & install google chrome and use it as a browser when visiting German sites. When you open a foreign language website chrome will automatically read this and ask if you want an English translation. You can also set it up so that it does not even ask and automatically displays in English. The translation is not great for large texts but for pages such as the one you posted it makes navigating very easy.

Maybe this will help? I had a look at the site and it seems to offer what you are seeking. But I am not very experienced with German cell phones as I jus have a simple one for which I buy minutes every three months or so. And I always have trouble loading it up as the instructions are always in German.

[QUOTE=John Moore]So I am looking to buy a prepaid SIM-card on my next trip to Germany as I would like to use my new smartphone which has GPS and such fun stuff and that requires quite a lot of data traffic costs. However I'm not very good in the german language so I could use some help. Anyone have experience with german prepaid phones? I dont wanna call a lot but use the internet. Found T-Mobile and this might be what I'm looking for:

[url]http://www.t-mobile.de/prepaid-tarife/0,20496,18518-_,00.html?WT.svl=100[/url]

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

I do not live in Germany either and travel a few times per year. I bought myself a T-mobile pre-paid sim card at a T-mobile store. Pretty easy, they will demand just your passport. I paid, if not mistaken, 10 euros, with 10 euros credit included. The card is valid forever, never expires even if you do not charge it for a long time. I think the same aplies to Vodaphone.Whenever I am in Germany just buy some credits and have a local phone. Of course you need an unblocked GSM cell phone to benefit from that. Simple as that.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Best in my opinion would be to download & install google chrome and use it as a browser when visiting German sites. When you open a foreign language website chrome will automatically read this and ask if you want an English translation. You can also set it up so that it does not even ask and automatically displays in English. The translation is not great for large texts but for pages such as the one you posted it makes navigating very easy.

Maybe this will help? I had a look at the site and it seems to offer what you are seeking. But I am not very experienced with German cell phones as I jus have a simple one for which I buy minutes every three months or so. And I always have trouble loading it up as the instructions are always in German.[/QUOTE]Ah, didn't think about that but to be honest it didn't make me any wiser even in my native tongue but I think I know what I should get. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Travelerb69]I do not live in Germany either and travel a few times per year. I bought myself a T-mobile pre-paid sim card at a T-mobile store. Pretty easy, they will demand just your passport. I paid, if not mistaken, 10 euros, with 10 euros credit included. The card is valid forever, never expires even if you do not charge it for a long time. I think the same aplies to Vodaphone.Whenever I am in Germany just buy some credits and have a local phone. Of course you need an unblocked GSM cell phone to benefit from that. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]Sounds perfect. I have a unblocked phone so that wont be a problem. Thanks for you insight!

I have heard of a group of German women who stroll public places holding a roll of paper towels. Then one encounters a man she gives him a hand job, they clean up with a paper towel, and she moves on to the next man. No conversation, no exchange of money, no blowjobs. Could this possibly be true? If so what is the story? What city?

Thanks

Quick question. I am going to be in Berlin for two nights and am considering flying to Frankfurt to go to FKK Oase. It it worth taking a one night trip to Frankfurt to visit Oase or would my time be better spent just spending a third night in Berlin. I

Thanks
First time in Berlin

I have recently been planning "Andy's London and Germany / gentleman's party / FKK / PartyTreff / GangBang Great Circle Tour" for the end of October, and I had a question for those of you that have used products like Viagra and Cialis in these clubs.

Normally, I do not need this help, I am 57 years old but can still usually come twice in an hour with the right girl, and no problem 3 times in a day. Living in the sexual wasteland known as the USA, my capabilities easily sustain for the limited opportunities that I take advantage of or have access to, and so I have never used these products.

I know that I cannot keep up that kind of performance pace on a longer term basis required for this tour that I am planning that will be a week in length. I can easily do 1 pop a day over the 5 or 6 days that I will be operational, but carrying (or unleashing?) a higher load makes me wonder about how much V or see will help. Obviously getting a hard on with these products is not going to be an issue, but does it help with actual cum production, if you will? Or am I still going to be limited? I certainly understand that YMMV.

In the meantime, as I get snuffles and hives or other "not feel well days", I have collected a small supply of both Viagra and Cialis samples from my physicians when I tell them I am having a few issues, and so I will have a stock pile ready for the Great Circle Tour.

Any advice on use of these products? I know that they are kind of opposite, V for more short term use, and the yellow one for a more sustained experience. I don't want to mix products as I perceive some have done, but I would be interested in hearing about anyone's personal experiences (good and bad) and advice with these products.

Also, do the girls in these clubs actually get upset if you don't come during a particular session. I almost get the impression that there is an implied feeling of "if the customer didn't cum, then the session wasn't good" on behalf of the girls. I wouldn't want any bad or awkward feelings if a particular session doesn't end in a release. Or am I worrying about nothing here?

Sorry if this question has been asked before, I did a search but didn't see a particular discussion. Thanks for your input in advance!

[QUOTE=Andypandara]Sorry if this question has been asked before, I did a search but didn't see a particular discussion. Thanks for your input in advance![/QUOTE]

Hi,

Sorry I can not really answer all of your questions but I can offer in put on some. It is just my own personal view but in general I feel it best to avoid performance enhancers. Used too much for non medical reasons (that is if you do not actually suffer erectile disfunction but just want a stiffer erection) I wonder if they do not create body dependence. The body does have the capacity to stop doing what it is supposed to do when you offer it an alternative. So I think the body when you take V or C looks at this and says, well I don't have to produce an erection any more as the drug does it for me.So you start to have to depend on the drug. As long as it is not too often this is not such a consideration. But once you start, the lure of a rock hard woody is great.

As far as I know semen is not effected either way with V or C. They have to do with the blood flow around the penis and do not produce bigger cums. I know that there are all sorts of recipes to increase semen production but am not really sure if any work. It is an area of extreme snake oil sales as this ability to produce globs of semen is so linked with virility in our mind. Maybe some do work, but I personally would tend towards more natural, diet stuff rather than pills or potions that make outlandish claims.I myself drink pineapple juice in the hopes that it make my cum sweeter as I have heard but I have no idea if it really works. Hookers are not the most reliable source of info when it comes to asking if your cum tastes good (I do not ask) as the will almost always say-it tastes delicious! But do you believe this?

As for the last question, it is true that the ladies do tend to want you to cum as proof of a good session. And it is also true that some get a bit put off if you do not. I always tell them, if I genuinely like the girl, that just spending time with her is worth the cost to me. This really strokes their ego and allows some face saving. If it is more that the woman is a dud for me I just say that I do not want to. If she feels bad I can not do much about that. I'm the one that paid €60 to find out that there is no chemistry after all.

Hope some of this helps

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]. But once you start, the lure of a rock hard woody is great.[/QUOTE]

Before anyone else points to this, I really wish we still had the 8 hour edit window and I could reword this just a wee bit ;)

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Before anyone else points to this, I really wish we still had the 8 hour edit window and I could reword this just a wee bit ;)[/QUOTE]AM, I took your comment at face value exactly the way that you meant it!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Used too much for non medical reasons (that is if you do not actually suffer erectile disfunction but just want a stiffer erection) I wonder if they do not create body dependence. The body does have the capacity to stop doing what it is supposed to do when you offer it an alternative. So I think the body when you take V or C looks at this and says, well I don't have to produce an erection any more as the drug does it for me.So you start to have to depend on the drug. As long as it is not too often this is not such a consideration.[/QUOTE]You have definitely given me something to consider, but I don't know that I would be susceptable to that, as frankly I do not really get that many opportunities to be with members of the opposite sex, and almost always it is 1-on-1 single sessions, so I don't think I would ever have the opportunity to build up resistance. Being in a situation where I would actually have to consider that as a risk is one that I would love to have!

[QUOTE]As far as I know semen is not effected either way with V or C. They have to do with the blood flow around the penis and do not produce bigger cums. I know that there are all sorts of recipes to increase semen production but am not really sure if any work. It is an area of extreme snake oil sales as this ability to produce globs of semen is so linked with virility in our mind. Maybe some do work, but I personally would tend towards more natural, diet stuff rather than pills or potions that make outlandish claims.I myself drink pineapple juice in the hopes that it make my cum sweeter as I have heard but I have no idea if it really works.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you are correct, I was just trying to see if maybe anyone had any other contrary experiences. I actually agree with you about the natural remedies, and have been taking Saw Palmetto (check it out if you are older with any prostate issues) and it really works in terms of helping urination problems and such, i am hoping it also helps with general cum production.

A few years back in Los Angeles, the local #1 radio DJ's Mark and Brian caused a bit of a controversy when they started talking about using pineapple juice as you described, and they got a few "volunteers" from the listening audience to try it out and report back as to whether it made a difference in the taste for the woman. From what I remember, it most definitely worked as described. My guess is that the reports were correct, as the body has a tendency to flush overdoses of sugar out of the body via the urinal tract, as refined sugar has a deadly effect on humans, i.e., diabetes, etc, at least in the amounts that most modern humans consume it.

[QUOTE]As for the last question, it is true that the ladies do tend to want you to cum as proof of a good session. And it is also true that some get a bit put off if you do not. I always tell them, if I genuinely like the girl, that just spending time with her is worth the cost to me. This really strokes their ego and allows some face saving. If it is more that the woman is a dud for me I just say that I do not want to. If she feels bad I can not do much about that. I'm the one that paid €60 to find out that there is no chemistry after all.[/QUOTE]Well, I am so charming, that I am sure they will take pity on an old dog like me.

[QUOTE]Hope some of this helps AM[/QUOTE]Very much appreciated as always!

I just wanted to offer another opinion. First, I'm a big fan of pills and juice! And I do agree that generally speaking you should not introduce things to your body that you don't need. However, I'm close to your age and know what you are asking.

Viagra is very reliable for giving you wood. I find it harder to have an orgasm with it, especially when using a rubber. Although, I did meet one insanely hot and talented young lady that managed to get me off twice in a couple of hours while taking viagra. So, anything is possible. Generally speaking, I have to finish off by hand when I take Vitamin V, which is not a problem for many of the girls. Depending on what country you are boinking in.

Cialis is generally gentler, I find. Most guys seem to say that too. It's generally easier to bust nut. Wood is not as intense but still reliable. Personally, I've found since I quit smoking, changed of prescription meds, and started exercising more everything works pretty reliably now and I don't need the boost. However, with both viagra & cialis, I cut them into 1/4 or 1/2 doses. I want the reliability for these type of vacations without losing the possibility of busting a nut. My system is for the first encounter I go au naturelle (w/out V or C) and I might pop 1/4 of a pill for my later encounters.

But you are going on a sex binge! You need to be armed a ready. Vitamin V & see are good standbys. A lot of people subscribe to zinc pills as a way of boosting your sperm production. I've tried it. It does something & it can't hurt but it didn't make me Peter North. I've never thought that was important though. If I get off, then it's a good encounter no matter how much my sperm I generate.

Basically, you are paying the $$$. Whatever you define as a good time is what counts. Some girls are dedicated to their craft and REALLY want you to come. Some might be really vibing with you and really want to please you. Others really want you to hurry and finish. I would not worry about it. If you don't come blame it on the booze, age, or all the fucking you been doing. All girls will happily take that. Good luck and have one for me.

[QUOTE=Brutus85]I just wanted to offer another opinion. First, I'm a big fan of pills and juice![/QUOTE]Thanks, Brutus! Real world experience was what I was hoping for!

[QUOTE]I find it harder to have an orgasm with it, especially when using a rubber.. Generally speaking, I have to finish off by hand when I take Vitamin V[/QUOTE]I guess I can see where that could be the case, but this could be a benefit as well, I suppose[QUOTE]Cialis is generally gentler, I find. Most guys seem to say that too. It's generally easier to bust nut. Wood is not as intense but still reliable. Personally, I've found since I quit smoking, changed of prescription meds, and started exercising more everything works pretty reliably now and I don't need the boost.[/QUOTE]Same here, at least with the latter two, I quite smoking in 1977[QUOTE]However, with both viagra & cialis, I cut them into 1/4 or 1/2 doses. I want the reliability for these type of vacations without losing the possibility of busting a nut.[/QUOTE]That was my plan as well. [QUOTE]But you are going on a sex binge! You need to be armed a ready.[/QUOTE]I think some abdominal exercises will help also[QUOTE]A lot of people subscribe to zinc pills as a way of boosting your sperm production. I've tried it. It does something & it can't hurt but it didn't make me Peter North.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I will check it out! [QUOTE]Basically, you are paying the $$$. Whatever you define as a good time is what counts. Some girls are dedicated to their craft and REALLY want you to come. Some might be really vibing with you and really want to please you. Others really want you to hurry and finish. I would not worry about it. If you don't come blame it on the booze, age, or all the fucking you been doing. All girls will happily take that. Good luck and have one for me.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your practical insight into this subject, I will have at least one for you and all the others that make this board such a rich resource!

The counting is done and the September Monger I Admire has been chose.

Check out who is the Monger I Admire on the blog.

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AM

Anyone going?

[url]http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/09/oktoberfest_2010.html#photo38[/url]

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Anyone going?

[url]http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/09/oktoberfest_2010.html#photo38[/url][/QUOTE]How I wish! I've never been there but it's on my "to do" list.

On picture 22: nice tongue! Where does the line start?

Rufus

Hi Lads,

You might notice I have a new look (theme) on the blog today. I am not 100% happy with it but it is moving in the right direction. The whole thing seems crowded to the left, sort of cramped up against the left hand border. I am tinkering with it, trying to determine if it is a problem with settings or if it just how the theme is designed. I have been spending hours yesterday looking at and trying out various themes-there are literally 100s available.

But I like this one for various reasons so I hope I can make it work a bit better.

Let me know what you think.

AM

Note: After making my post I realized it might just be as simple as how I have my own browser set. That is I need new glasses so I tend to zoom in on pages with my browser. When I went out one click the blog looked better. But still, tell me what you think. I will still tinker.

Saluting the mongering community.

Has anyone heard of agencies that organize an adult film shooting for you in Europe (yourself being the actor of course):??

[QUOTE=Aolini]Saluting the mongering community.

Has anyone heard of agencies that organize an adult film shooting for you in Europe (yourself being the actor of course):??[/QUOTE]


Not sure about Europe but you should be able to find such a service in St Pete's Russia. There was an active poster some two years back (I think his name was shelbysbaker-something like that) who was doing this and posting about it. Ask or do a search in the St. Pete's thread and you will find something. Not cheap though. You will need deep pockets.

AM

[QUOTE=Aolini]Saluting the mongering community.

Has anyone heard of agencies that organize an adult film shooting for you in Europe (yourself being the actor of course):??[/QUOTE]
There was an advertisement (banner) on ISG about such a possibility in Prague (look at Prague's thread) , probably less than one year ago.
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Hi Gents,

New post up on the blog.

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Please have a look.

AM

Hi gents.

Early next year I'm off to Germany on another mongering journey, either to Berlin, Düsseldorf, or Hamburg, and apart from hitting a FKK-club or two I'm also considering ordering a call girl to my hotel room. Does anybody know whether the agency Escort Desire is reputable and trustworthy?

[url]http://www.escort-desire.de/[/url]

Some of the girls look really stunning and the prices are IMHO quite reasonable, so is it woth giving a shot?

Hi. New here. Looking for a Romanian girl I lost touch with when I left Germany in 2007. She is now 22 years old, about 5'7", long dark hair, very busty, and very pretty. She worked with a group of Romanian girls in Ludwigshafen on Halbergstr (I think) in 2006 until early 2007, and then moved on to the Rosa-Haus on Camphauserstr in Saarbruecken in the summer of 2007. She went by the name of either Vanessa or Alexandra. Don't think she is there anymore, but can't be sure. Can anyone help? I sure hope so as she is quite special to me.

Thanks a bunch.

[QUOTE=Kvaser; 1094091]Hi gents.

Early next year I'm off to Germany on another mongering journey, either to Berlin, Düsseldorf, or Hamburg, and apart from hitting a FKK-club or two I'm also considering ordering a call girl to my hotel room. Does anybody know whether the agency Escort Desire is reputable and trustworthy?

[url]http://www.escort-desire.de/[/url]

Some of the girls look really stunning and the prices are IMHO quite reasonable, so is it woth giving a shot? [/QUOTE]I tried this escort about 2 years ago while I stayed in München, I wasn't disapointed [url]www.target-escort.de[/url]

Hi newbie here, was wondering if someone has experience in both countries (cities) can compare the escort scenes in both countries / cities? Thanks. Danke.

I know Germany is known for its FKK clubs. But I prefer incalls and outcalls for privacy reasons. So from incall / outcall's point of view, which city is better? Price, looks, service, attitude, etc.

[QUOTE=Mark Darcy; 1111217]Hi newbie here, was wondering if someone has experience in both countries (cities) can compare the escort scenes in both countries / cities? Thanks. Danke.

I know Germany is known for its FKK clubs. But I prefer incalls and outcalls for privacy reasons. So from incall / outcall's point of view, which city is better? Price, looks, service, attitude, etc. [/QUOTE]Well I can not compare as I have no experience of the London scene but I do know the Berlin scene. The Berlin scene is active but fraught with peril and you really have to do your homework here. My impression is that the London scene is much better, if you define better as a much larger selection of hot EE providers. Let's face it, London is a major money center with a lot of cash floating around. While Berlin is excellent for bordellos, has a top FKK and plenty of sleazy bars & kinos, the really top money girls head over to London. Thus I think I can safely say London is a better escort center. But it will cost you as I also have the impression it is not cheap.

If you really like the escort scene you might want to check out Montreal, Canada. There you have the sexy & sexually adventurous French Canadian girls and a very competitive scene. In my experience Montreal has one of the best escorts scenes in the world with both hot women and reasonable pricing.

For an in depth look at the Berlin scene check out my blog.

[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/?cat=62[/url]

The Berlin scene contains it all but there are a couple of specific escort posts.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1111341]If you really like the escort scene you might want to check out Montreal, Canada. There you have the sexy & sexually adventurous French Canadian girls and a very competitive scene. In my experience Montreal has one of the best escorts scenes in the world with both hot women and reasonable pricing.[/QUOTE]Thanks Angus, for the feedback.

Funny you mentioned Montreal. I've actually hobbied there and while it's cheaper than most places, the selections aren't that great, and lacking diversity (very few tall blond women. Most French Canadians have darker hair and are shorter than Anglo Saxons). And most escorts in Montreal are just a bit above average in terms of looks, compare to the general civilian population in the city.

But now that you and I both have experince in Montreal. Let's use it as a common benchmark. Would you still say Berlin, or Germany as a country has a better hobbying scene (excluding fkk) than Montreal?

I've checked out your blog and I get the impression that Berlin is a great city to hobby, from reading your blog actually.

[QUOTE=Mark Darcy; 1111636]But now that you and I both have experince in Montreal. Let's use it as a common benchmark. Would you still say Berlin, or Germany as a country has a better hobbying scene (excluding fkk) than Montreal?

I've checked out your blog and I get the impression that Berlin is a great city to hobby, from reading your blog actually. [/QUOTE]I would have to say that Germany (or more specifically Berlin) is far better than Montreal (Canada) except in, say, the escort scene. I am not a great fan of the Berlin escort scene. To be fair though I would have to say I prefer to hobby outside the home environment though so I am not the best, or at least most impartial, judge of this. I like the feeling of going somewhere, luxurious or sleazy, to get my rocks off. Home ice advantage can be enjoyable, but for me the worry of neighbours hearing or opening the door at an inopportune moment takes away from the enjoyment.

Also just the fact hat it is totally legal here has a great advantage. Despite the sometime slight embarrassment one might feel when visiting a brothel one never has to worry about being busted for it. This is a big plus.

So yeah, over all I would have to say germany is one of the top spots in the western world for hobbying. But don't count London out if you can afford it. I really think with a bit of home work you could have some stellar experiences with some top girls in London. At least I have always been impressed with the line ups I have seen on the escort boards in London.

AM

Thanks, AM, much appreciated.

Sometimes it can be a bit tough for a first timer. Not knowing where to look, etc. I'll do some more reserch on both London and Berlin.

[QUOTE=Mark Darcy; 1111818]Thanks, AM, much appreciated.

Sometimes it can be a bit tough for a first timer. Not knowing where to look, etc. I'll do some more reserch on both London and Berlin. [/QUOTE]Most welcome M. D. Honestly what I think Berlin has in its' favor with the escort scene is the low end agencies. However, one has to really do one's research and not expect always to hit a winner. There are many, many girls available, not all of them will be a good experience. And the landscape changes quickly, girls come and go, agencies open, close and change names and websites. All this makes it difficult for the one time visitor to know that he will be able to guarantee his experience. If you are okay with this uncertainty, if you enjoy the adventure, Berlin is hard to beat.

If you look in the back pages of the Berlin thread Charlie 123 has made a number of good reports on the type of agency I speak of. He also makes specific recommendations. What is not certain is if the girls he recommends are still working, are still with the same agencies. There is no definitive guide as it is always changing. FKK & bordellos offer a much stabler environment in which to hobby in the end.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1111989]Honestly what I think Berlin has in its' favor with the escort scene is the low end agencies. AM[/QUOTE]Angus, after doing some more reading on London, yes, this is the impression I get. While both cities have abundant selections of providers, the ones in London seem more upmarket, those in Berlin are on the other side of the spectrum. And this goes back to the first post you responded to my original inquiry. You mentioned the top money girls go to work in London and I shouldn't count it out if I can afford it. You were exactly right. After HOURS of research, I came to the same conclusion as you. Sometimes it's much easier and more effective having experienced punters point us to the right direction. They can save so much time and headache, and money of course. And that's the value of the board and discussions among members.

I'm probably going to do both cities. While I think London is great (a bit more tolerable now due to FX) , I've always been adventurous and enjoyed the ups and downs of the unknowns. So Berlin seems good, too.

On a side note, most of the providers in either city (country) seem to come from EE and Russia anyways, only difference is the better looking ones go to London and charge more. But they all hail from the same countries anyways. This and nostalgia led me to look at Russian section on ISG again after years of hiatus. It reminded me some of my most memorable, and sometimes very scary experiences I had. I went straight to the source, like un determinded soilder (horny foreign bastard actually). Now I'm getting older and not as brave (or horny) as when I was slightly younger. The idea of an operation to the Motherland seems too daunting. So I'll settle for more comfortable targets like London and Berlin, and pay more for 2nd and 3rd tier Russian women respectively. The first tier were in Russia, and could be had for free sometimes. Not sure if it's still the case now. Good old times.

[QUOTE=Mark Darcy;1112196]On a side note, most of the providers in either city (country) seem to come from EE and Russia anyways, only difference is the better looking ones go to London and charge more. [/QUOTE]The girls working in Berlin, especially in the lower end, do tend to be from the Southern EE countries-Romania and Bulgaria especially. That and a great number of Poles and Lithuanians. While Russian and Ukrainian are available they tend towards the higher end agencies and bordellos. The girls listed as speaking Russian are not necessarily from Russia. My theory is that for some reason the Russian / Ukrainian girls are more ambitious. Those that make it out of their country head for the bigger markets.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Russians are not available, but if you order from a low end agency you will almost certainly not get one.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1112356]The girls working in Berlin, especially in the lower end, do tend to be from the Southern EE countries-Romania and Bulgaria especially. That and a great number of Poles and Lithuanians. While Russian and Ukrainian are available they tend towards the higher end agencies and bordellos. The girls listed as speaking Russian are not necessarily from Russia. My theory is that for some reason the Russian / Ukrainian girls are more ambitious. Those that make it out of their country head for the bigger markets.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Russians are not available, but if you order from a low end agency you will almost certainly not get one.

AM[/QUOTE]That's very interesting to know. I'm surprised to know that. I didn't know that before. Thanks for the info, Angus.

If I had to guess, Russians are more popular than Romanians and Bulgarians, therefore people are willing to pay more.

What about Czechs and Hungarians? Many of them working in Germany? I find them very attractive.

[QUOTE=Mark Darcy;1112373]What about Czechs and Hungarians? Many of them working in Germany? I find them very attractive.[/QUOTE]You can find any nationality really. It is just, as mentioned, Ro & Bul girls are far more common. Actually though I know you prefer escorts, FKK are way better for nationality shopping, all there under one roof and no investment other than a few minutes on a couch to determine where they come from. If what they say is to be believed. But that is a whole other kettle of fish.

AM

I have been a couple of times at the GoldenTime in Brüggen and often I go to Globe in Zurich.

Now I would like to try something new.

I am undecided between the Palace in Frankfurt and the Artemis in Berlin.

I read that line-up in Palace is better than in Artemis; also I read that girls performance in Artemis are, however, better than in Palace.

What experience do you have had in these clubs?

[QUOTE=Donik; 1114198]I have been a couple of times at the GoldenTime in Brüggen and often I go to Globe in Zurich.

Now I would like to try something new.

I am undecided between the Palace in Frankfurt and the Artemis in Berlin.

I read that line-up in Palace is better than in Artemis; also I read that girls performance in Artemis are, however, better than in Palace.

What experience do you have had in these clubs? [/QUOTE]Search my prior posts for some head: head comparisons. In 2009 I thought Artemis sessions were all good for 30 min but I was there 2 days ago, and the predominant experience was upselling and the 30 min session is really a suck / fuck quickie in < 15 min unless you have impressive stamina to hold back your load. This attitude is practically standard at Palace. No difference in lineup quality IMHO. Sessions at Palace are 50 rather than 60. Extras the same.

The other answer is simple-at some point you need to go to both. Which one is first is an even call.

On many an occasion, I've tried to route flights to international sites through Frankfurt and arrange some "downtime." However this is difficult often in a single itinerary. Even if you can swing a 6 hour FRA layover, any mongering will be under tremendous time pressure to get back to the airport and through security-hardly relaxing. Ideally, you need a good 24 hour period to get to a good club, I. E skip the RLD, and in my experience skip Palace too and get to World or Oasis.

So recently I booked a simple legacy carrier to a major European hub to attend a legitimate activity. Building some down time into the schedule, I sampled both EasyJet and Ryanair for some side-fun.

These tickets are often in the 50-60 USD range round trip. Often you have to deal with longer train commutes to smaller, way out there airports. Boarding the plane is a headache and cattle call experience-no assign seats. Read to the letter and obey every instruction regarding baggage as their business plan includes charging the heck out of you for any errors. But it is a way to have some side fun, save dough for the action, while on paper your main international travel route looks legit. Just got to be sure you make it back to where you are suppose to be to get your ride home.

So between Easy Jet, Air Berlin, and Ryanair you should be able to get from most European airport cities to one of the good FKK destinations in Germany-Frankfurt, Berlin, and Munich.

Can anyone recommend some good agencies for finding German porn stars?

Any city in Germany is accessible to me.

[QUOTE=Doonan; 1124282]Can anyone recommend some good agencies for finding German porn stars?

Any city in Germany is accessible to me. [/QUOTE]Can you I'm me or send a message to [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]? I saw a part of your response in my email, but some of it was blurred out.

TIA

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[QUOTE=Doonan; 1124336]Can you I'm me or send a message to [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]? I saw a part of your response in my email, but some of it was blurred out.

TIA.

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I sent the web address but the forum blocked it for some reason so I took it off. I can not send an email. Youwould have to become a member (pay the 20$) and pm me.

AM

Doonan-Oh By the way the info I was sending I actually found myself doing a google search using German Porn stars who escort. These things are generally pretty easy to uncover with a good search engine. I have no personal experience with German escorts who are also escorts, oh, except one who used to work at a local Berlin brothel.

AM

[QUOTE=Marwar58;1114996]On many an occasion, I've tried to route flights to international sites through Frankfurt and arrange some "downtime." However this is difficult often in a single itinerary. Even if you can swing a 6 hour FRA layover, any mongering will be under tremendous time pressure to get back to the airport and through security-hardly relaxing. Ideally, you need a good 24 hour period to get to a good club, I. E skip the RLD, and in my experience skip Palace too and get to World or Oasis.So recently I booked a simple legacy carrier to a major European hub to attend a legitimate activity. Building some down time into the schedule, I sampled both EasyJet and Ryanair for some side-fun. These tickets are often in the 50-60 USD range round trip. Often you have to deal with longer train commutes to smaller, way out there airports. Boarding the plane is a headache and cattle call experience-no assign seats. Read to the letter and obey every instruction regarding baggage as their business plan includes charging the heck out of you for any errors. But it is a way to have some side fun, save dough for the action, while on paper your main international travel route looks legit. Just got to be sure you make it back to where you are suppose to be to get your ride home. So between Easy Jet, Air Berlin, and Ryanair you should be able to get from most European airport cities to one of the good FKK destinations in Germany-Frankfurt, Berlin, and Munich.[/QUOTE]I've flown on both Air Berlin and Easy Jet. In my opinion Air Berlin was the better airline for customers but Easy Jet isn't bad. Air Berlin offers good fares and they get cheaper if you book further in advance or for days which are less popular. Service was impeccable and boarding was easy and based on seating. On the other hand, Easy Jet had the "cattle car" approach (open seating) and the passengers crowd by the gate, wanting to be among the early boarders in the expectation getting a better seat.

As much as I prefer Air Berlin, the airline doesn't fly everywhere. In my particular case, I flew AB from Nürnberg to Madrid with a change of planes in Majorca. Wanting to fly from Madrid to Milano, I had to fly Easyjet.

IMHO, Ryanair is my absolute last choice airline for multiple reasons. That airline generally flies to airports which are very remote from the cities they claim to be serving. However those airports may be convenient to the location you are going to or leaving from. I knew someone who lived in SW Germany and he crossed the border into France to catch low cost flights to London. I highly recommend that a person carefully read the conditions Ryanair imposes on passengers and the multitude of possible extra charges you might encounter. They charge for everything and they will not refund fares for any reason nor will the re-book without extra costs. Just do some searching on the web and you'll encounter news and personal accounts regarding their services. I expect to NEVER fly this airline unless I absolute have to. Maybe with a gun to my head.

Rufus

You can go to strip club, find some brothels, or pick some girls in bar. But all this takes a lot of time and result is not guaranteed. The most convenient way is to find good escort directory, with independent Germany escorts and escort agencies. I would advise you [url]www.one-escort.com[/url]. This is really great escort directory with huge variety of Germany female escorts that is updated constantly. You will find there escorts' names, phone numbers, and even gentlemen reviews. I'm sure it will take you less than 30 minutes to find the girl you need.

Good Luck!

I'm going to Germany nest month (April 20-24) , and was wondering what I can expect from the mongering scene? The FKKs don't close, do they?

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1130582]I'm going to Germany nest month (April 20-24) , and was wondering what I can expect from the mongering scene? The FKKs don't close, do they?[/QUOTE]Easter is business as usual for the FKKs. Some bordellos may be closed but these would be the ones that are normally closed on Sunday. Many would also be open. At least this info is true for the Berlin bordellos. In the south it may be a little different.

A

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1130587]Easter is business as usual for the FKKs. Some bordellos may be closed but these would be the ones that are normally closed on Sunday. Many would also be open. At least this info is true for the Berlin bordellos. In the south it may be a little different.

A[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will be going to Dusseldorf (have been to Living Room once, and that was absolutely fantastic) , and Berlin and Artemis :-D

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1130624]Thanks. I will be going to Dusseldorf (have been to Living Room once, and that was absolutely fantastic) , and Berlin and Artemis :-D[/QUOTE]Artemis I know for sure is open as usual at that time. Living Room you may want to check the website but I think it almost certain they are open.

AM

Anyone know any establishments where I can meet beautiful turkish and / or Filipino girls in Dusseldorf or Berlin?

[QUOTE=Tommyh80;1138045]Anyone know any establishments where I can meet beautiful turkish and / or Filipino girls in Dusseldorf or Berlin?[/QUOTE]You should ask your question in the separate Berlin and Dusseldorf threads.

Rufus

For those folks in previous posts travelling in Germany and wondering where to acquire the desired vitamins such as Cialis or generic Cialis such as Tadalafil Super Active or Pro (I hate Viagra, turns my face into a fireball and doesn't last as long as Cialis) :

Of course you need for everything in Germany a prescription but since you guys are sitting in front of a computer anyway while checking out the ISG you may order it here (Takes one week by secure air mail, no P. O. Boxes) :

[url]http://securetabsonline.com/cialissuperactive20mg.html[/url]
Have fun!

Is Frankfurt the best choice.

I will sample RLD and FKK.

It seems from my research Frankfurt is the best option. Would you agree or if not where?

I mean in terms of:

Quality Girls.

Service.

Establishments.

RLD.

Saftey.

Prices.

Travel.

I heard Hamburg has good RLD but FKK frankfurt better, Berlin also seems another option?

Advice of the day:

Don't drink to much while carrying along sex toys.

Just so you don't repeat the stunt of this local guy who pulls a dildo at the police:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phcYyDePC34&feature=player_embedded[/url]

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1166575]Is Frankfurt the best choice.[/QUOTE]Yes, IMHO. Definitely.

Plenty of choice in FKK. Hamburg RLD is tourist rip-off. Berlin has only one FKK.

As many members may be hiring cars the Tripadviser site may be of interest. There are several active threads warning of the dangers of hiring from Thrifty or Dollar. The office at Frankfurt has, it would appear from the posts, perfected several different methods of extracting money, relying on the probablity that foreign visitors are unlikely to be able to use the German legal system to obtain redress.

Just search Thrifty and Frankfurt.

This would appear not to the normal sort of problem with car hire but appears to be organised, intentional and wide-ranging, and the cost to users can easily be 1000 lost Euros

[QUOTE=London Traveller; 1174410]Yes, IMHO. Definitely.

Plenty of choice in FKK. Hamburg RLD is tourist rip-off. Berlin has only one FKK.[/QUOTE]I agree with London Traveller that Hamburg RLD is a tourist trap. Frankfurt is best for FKK but Berlin offers with Kamilla Dee, Van Kampen, Royal, Liberty etc. Several very good brothels. IMHO Berlin is best when you prefer brothels (cheaper prices but good quality) Frankfurt for FKK

[QUOTE=Tonio1;1187437]I agree with London Traveller that Hamburg RLD is a tourist trap. Frankfurt is best for FKK but Berlin offers with Kamilla Dee, Van Kampen, Royal, Liberty etc. Several very good brothels. IMHO Berlin is best when you prefer brothels (cheaper prices but good quality) Frankfurt for FKK[/QUOTE]What is main difference between BErlin brothel versus Frankfurt FKK?

Brothel 5-10 girls? Less choice? Nationality?

NO entry fee to brothel?

Girls as attractive as FKK?

Girls offer BBBJ+DFk etc for 50 euro like FKK.

Brothels in Berlin are near center, safe, legal easy access like FKK or more discrete / dodgy.

I have noticed on previous (brief) visits to Germany. Dusseldorf, Berlin, Munich, Koln, Frankfurt, and the amazing (but cold!) city of Hamburg. My total lack of German can be a hindrance in negotiations. These were mostly non-punting trips however and it didn't matter too much.

I can imagine situations where there would be more or sometimes less access to an English speaking person to assist, or where simple sign language might suffice (though hopefully not offend in classier places).

So am I barking up the wrong tree if, together with my usual inadequate stock of foreign social phrases, or greetings cued from my iPhone, if I try to amass a few German phrases to clarify any p4p deals? If necessary, maybe I could write them down in a pocket notebook to show to a prospective lady?

With this in mind, I wonder if someone would be so good as to suggest phrases that indicate:

FULL SEX.

FULLY UNDRESSED.

ORAL.

ORAL WITHOUT CONDOM.

DATY.

COME ON FACE.

15 MINUTES.

20 MINUTES.

30 MINUTES.

And if it is ever required something along the lines of:

MOBILE PHONE SWITCHED OFF (DURING SEX)

And maybe one or two useful flattering phrases that can sometimes help like:

YOU HAVE BEAUTIFUL TITS.

Please excuse my ignorance. My thought is that it might not only fulfil my immediate fairly short notice requirements, but be a handy reference for other non-German-speaking punters. Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Christopherd; 1197212]I have noticed on previous (brief) visits to Germany. Dusseldorf, Berlin, Munich, Koln, Frankfurt, and the amazing (but cold!) city of Hamburg. My total lack of German can be a hindrance in negotiations. These were mostly non-punting trips however and it didn't matter too much.

I can imagine situations where there would be more or sometimes less access to an English speaking person to assist, or where simple sign language might suffice (though hopefully not offend in classier places).

So am I barking up the wrong tree if, together with my usual inadequate stock of foreign social phrases, or greetings cued from my iPhone, if I try to amass a few German phrases to clarify any p4p deals? If necessary, maybe I could write them down in a pocket notebook to show to a prospective lady?

With this in mind, I wonder if someone would be so good as to suggest phrases that indicate:

FULL SEX.[/QUOTE]Geschlechtsverkehr means intercourse.

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]FULLY UNDRESSED.[/QUOTE]vollständig nackt

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]ORAL.[/QUOTE]französisch

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]ORAL WITHOUT CONDOM.[/QUOTE]französisch ohne Gummi

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]DATY.[/QUOTE]Muschilecken

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]COME ON FACE.[/QUOTE]ins Gesicht spritzen

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]15 MINUTES.[/QUOTE]fünfzehn Minuten

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]20 MINUTES.[/QUOTE]zwanzig Minuten

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]30 MINUTES.[/QUOTE]dreißig Minuten

[QUOTE=Christopherd; 1197212]And if it is ever required something along the lines of:

MOBILE PHONE SWITCHED OFF (DURING SEX) [/QUOTE]Handys ausgeschaltet (beim Sex)

[QUOTE=Christopherd; 1197212]And maybe one or two useful flattering phrases that can sometimes help like:

YOU HAVE BEAUTIFUL TITS.[/QUOTE]Du hast schöne Titten

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197212]Please excuse my ignorance. My thought is that it might not only fulfil my immediate fairly short notice requirements, but be a handy reference for other non-German-speaking punters. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]No problem. Hope this helps!

And if you're clarifying whether the girl in question offers one or more of the above, you may want to preface these with:

How much for / Wie viel für

May I / darf ich

Do you do / machst du

Those more fluent than I should feel free to add to / correct this list.

Thank you, Sir! I could not have wished for a more prompt, fuller or helpful response to my questions! I am not good at languages, but find German more daunting than any other language I have encountered, either in mainland Europe or Asia. Thank you again, and may your kind reply also help other mongers visiting the many wonderful places that Germany offers, and yet who find the long and difficult words frankly mind-boggling.

Could I perhaps add another little something for others venturing to Germany? I have noticed that many aspects of German culture are more formal than elsewhere in Europe. On a business trip some years ago with a colleague we were careful to observe things like titles and other social norms that are polite in Germany if of less or little consequence in many other countries. It felt a little like we were having a precise but emotionless conversation with our opposite numbers in Augsburg, almost as if we were at a black tie dinner under the watchful eye of stern parents! But then as we got to know each other, shared common experiences, and found similarities in the goals and problems we faced in our respective countries, the barriers disappeared. The cool emotional exterior gave way to a warmth and an expression of emotion that, say, an American might use in the first minute, and even an Englishman ease into within ten minutes of niceties and comments about the weather and so on. That forwardness would perhaps be seen as over-familiarity by a German man or woman one had just met. But once that rubicon has been crossed, I have found German people to be among the warmest and most genuine people on the planet, and sometimes lifelong friendships have resulted from the slenderest of meetings, sustained by deep mutual respect and sincerity.

If any of this is wide of the mark, I hope the forum readers will forgive me. But I hope it might perhaps give a hint for other travellers. There is much to appreciate in Germany, and particularly to be shared with its citizens!

Regards, Christopherd.

[QUOTE=Gfe Finder;1197236]Those more fluent than I should feel free to add to / correct this list.[/QUOTE]GFE,

It would be churlish to quibble with such an excellent glossary.

I would just add that most girls would also recognize the term [i]NatuerFranzoesich[/i] (Nat-oor Fran-tsoo-sish) for ORAL WITHOUT CONDOM.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]Could I perhaps add another little something for others venturing to Germany? I have noticed that many aspects of German culture are more formal than elsewhere in Europe. On a business trip some years ago with a colleague we were careful to observe things like titles and other social norms that are polite in Germany if of less or little consequence in many other countries. It felt a little like we were having a precise but emotionless conversation with our opposite numbers in Augsburg, almost as if we were at a black tie dinner under the watchful eye of stern parents! But then as we got to know each other, shared common experiences, and found similarities in the goals and problems we faced in our respective countries, the barriers disappeared. The cool emotional exterior gave way to a warmth and an expression of emotion that, say, an American might use in the first minute, and even an Englishman ease into within ten minutes of niceties and comments about the weather and so on. That forwardness would perhaps be seen as over-familiarity by a German man or woman one had just met. But once that rubicon has been crossed, I have found German people to be among the warmest and most genuine people on the planet, and sometimes lifelong friendships have resulted from the slenderest of meetings, sustained by deep mutual respect and sincerity.

If any of this is wide of the mark, I hope the forum readers will forgive me. But I hope it might perhaps give a hint for other travellers. There is much to appreciate in Germany, and particularly to be shared with its citizens![/QUOTE]Couldn't have put it better than this.

The friendliness and all-round civility of your average German never ceases to amaze me.

Not to mention originating the whole FKK concept, of course... :)

VG.

I also would like to say-great glossary. Too bad we can not place it as a "sticky" at the top of the thread so that it always stays on top. Also, this glossary certainly gives the correct terms. But, at least in Berlin, many of the girls you will find also speak German as a second language. For this reason, and the nature of the sex business in general, it is relatively easy to communicate your wants and need is simpler terms. For instance, for GV, sex normale will always be understood. Blow job is a universal term and a blow job ohne will be understood. Nice to get the correct terms but remember, if you forget at the last moment it is pretty easy to improvise.

AM

[QUOTE=Christopherd; 1197246]Could I perhaps add another little something for others venturing to Germany? I have noticed that many aspects of German culture are more formal than elsewhere in Europe. On a business trip some years ago with a colleague we were careful to observe things like titles and other social norms that are polite in Germany if of less or little consequence in many other countries. It felt a little like we were having a precise but emotionless conversation with our opposite numbers in Augsburg, almost as if we were at a black tie dinner under the watchful eye of stern parents! But then as we got to know each other, shared common experiences, and found similarities in the goals and problems we faced in our respective countries, the barriers disappeared. The cool emotional exterior gave way to a warmth and an expression of emotion that, say, an American might use in the first minute, and even an Englishman ease into within ten minutes of niceties and comments about the weather and so on. That forwardness would perhaps be seen as over-familiarity by a German man or woman one had just met. But once that rubicon has been crossed, I have found German people to be among the warmest and most genuine people on the planet, and sometimes lifelong friendships have resulted from the slenderest of meetings, sustained by deep mutual respect and sincerity.

If any of this is wide of the mark, I hope the forum readers will forgive me. But I hope it might perhaps give a hint for other travellers. There is much to appreciate in Germany, and particularly to be shared with its citizens!

Regards, Christopherd.[/QUOTE]I would also agree with this. The funny thing for me is that there is nothing grumpier than a grumpy German. But if you can get them smiling there is almost nothing they won't do. I mean I have had people go seriously out of their way to help me. I myself have often wondered if this is just a Berlin thing. But from your post it seems it is not.

AM

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197246]Thank you, Sir! I could not have wished for a more prompt, fuller or helpful response to my questions! I am not good at languages, but find German more daunting than any other language I have encountered, either in mainland Europe or Asia. Thank you again, and may your kind reply also help other mongers visiting the many wonderful places that Germany offers, and yet who find the long and difficult words frankly mind-boggling.[/quote]

You're welcome! I'm always glad to be helpful.

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1197246]Could I perhaps add another little something for others venturing to Germany? I have noticed that many aspects of German culture are more formal than elsewhere in Europe. On a business trip some years ago with a colleague we were careful to observe things like titles and other social norms that are polite in Germany if of less or little consequence in many other countries. It felt a little like we were having a precise but emotionless conversation with our opposite numbers in Augsburg, almost as if we were at a black tie dinner under the watchful eye of stern parents! But then as we got to know each other, shared common experiences, and found similarities in the goals and problems we faced in our respective countries, the barriers disappeared. The cool emotional exterior gave way to a warmth and an expression of emotion that, say, an American might use in the first minute, and even an Englishman ease into within ten minutes of niceties and comments about the weather and so on. That forwardness would perhaps be seen as over-familiarity by a German man or woman one had just met. But once that rubicon has been crossed, I have found German people to be among the warmest and most genuine people on the planet, and sometimes lifelong friendships have resulted from the slenderest of meetings, sustained by deep mutual respect and sincerity.[/quote]

That's a good observation. Thank you for pointing it out-- my own experience seems to find it to be true as well. It's been one of many pleasant discoveries in my travels to Germany.


[quote=Angus McGee;1197634]But, at least in Berlin, many of the girls you will find also speak German as a second language. For this reason, and the nature of the sex business in general, it is relatively easy to communicate your wants and need is simpler terms. [/quote]
I don't know if this is also what your talking about, but what you said above reminded me of a scene from Caveh Zahedi's [i]I Am a Sex Addict[/i]. He was in Germany, and trying to find out how much a woman would charge for a blow job. So he asks, "Wie viel für " and then motions like he's sucking his thumb but doesn't put his thumb in his mouth. "Blasen?" she replies.

[quote=Angus McGee;1197634]I also would like to say-great glossary. Too bad we can not place it as a "sticky" at the top of the thread so that it always stays on top.[/quote]

Well, you or anyone else can always place a link in the ROD section! ;)

[QUOTE=GFE Finder; 1197722]You're welcome! I'm always glad to be helpful.

Well, you or anyone else can always place a link in the ROD section! .[/QUOTE]Done. This is crucial information for noobies like me.

Pray tell us on how to check if that hottie is cool with DFK? Machst du tief französisch küssen sounds a little funny to me. LOL.

[QUOTE=TabbySmyth; 1197793]Done. This is crucial information for noobies like me.

Pray tell us on how to check if that hottie is cool with DFK? Machst du tief französisch küssen sounds a little funny to me. LOL.[/QUOTE]I do not think you really can tell. In an apartment you can ask (and pay for) kissing. Then the quality & "depth" of the kissing is up to the girl and a bit your own "game". Working girls are, to a degree, susceptible to charm and a skillful technique.

In an FKK some guys will interview the girl to make sure she kisses. But I have found that even if a lady says she kisses, those kisses can ranger from a deep soulful tongue kiss to a peck on the lips. So in the end asking, for me, has little value and indeed tends to be a buzz kill. I would rather meet a girl with whom I have a bit of chemistry then tak my chances with the kissing. For me, even more than fucking, kissing has to be authentic, or I would rather just leave it.

But if you really must you could ask :"Machst du Küssen mit Zunge?". What a mood killer.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1197944]"Machst du Küssen mit Zunge?".[/QUOTE]It is either:

"Küsst Du mit Zunge?" or.

"Machst Du Zungenküsse?"

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1197955]It is either:

"Küsst Du mit Zunge?" or.

"Machst Du Zungenküsse?"

HB[/QUOTE]Thanks HB. As I say my own spoken German is pretty rough. But I am usually understood, if not given any gold stars for grammatical style. I think people get a bit intimidated with the German language because German and Germans are very correct. But I try to get the pronunciation right if not the grammar. This is sometimes a challenge.

AM

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500; 1197137]What is main difference between BErlin brothel versus Frankfurt FKK?

Brothel 5-10 girls? Less choice? Nationality?

NO entry fee to brothel?

Girls as attractive as FKK?

Girls offer BBBJ+DFk etc for 50 euro like FKK.

Brothels in Berlin are near center, safe, legal easy access like FKK or more discrete / dodgy.[/QUOTE]Anyone with advice as I'm caught in 2 minds as to which city to go to. Berlin also has FKK artemis and this is as good as Palace / Oase or similar?

Flight prices to Frankfurt and Berlin are similar.

If I go to Frankfurt I can also get train to Prague so thats a bonus but not necessary.

Artemis can be compared with Palace. Probably service is better, no upselling. 60 EUR / 30min.

HB

Do any of you freqeunt the RLD in Frankfurk?

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1198360]Artemis can be compared with Palace. Probably service is better, no upselling. 60 EUR / 30min.

HB[/QUOTE]By no upselling do you mean that things which would cost extra at palace are included in 60 euro?

Such as cum on face / mouth? Or is this still extra? (also anal but I'm not bothered about anal)

As far as I am aware at Palace included in 50 euro per girl is:

DFK (not to interested in)

DATY (not to interested in)

BBBJ (essential for me)

Sex multiple positions

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1198360]Artemis can be compared with Palace. Probably service is better, no upselling. 60 EUR / 30min.

HB[/QUOTE]By no upselling do you mean that things which would cost extra at palace are included in 60 euro?

Such as cum on face / mouth? Or is this still extra? (also anal but I'm not bothered about anal)

As far as I am aware at Palace included in 50 euro per girl is:

DFK (not to interested in)

DATY (not to interested in)

BBBJ (essential for me)

Sex multiple positions.

Also, are the quality of girls the same?

I hear that Palace has better looking girls than Oase atm. But Oase is over 18 whereas Palace over 21. Not that it makes too much difference but potential cute teens at Oase will not be at Palace. Though its no breaker. I'm more about quality off girls appearance and service than age or food or facilities etc.

[QUOTE=JayHighFive;1198433]Do any of you freqeunt the RLD in Frankfurk?[/QUOTE]Of course, not the Eros centers, but quite familiar with all the strip clubs, quite an action to be had there.

Hi, will be in Germany for about 4 months. Would be grateful to get suggestions how to establish online contacts for sex. The dating services on the net seem all to be a trap but I am sure there might be some useful boards where contacts could be made or useful adresses could be found. Looking specifically for asian providers in different cities but also contacts to fellow mongers.

LP

[QUOTE=Lone Punter; 1199845]Hi, will be in Germany for about 4 months. Would be grateful to get suggestions how to establish online contacts for sex. The dating services on the net seem all to be a trap but I am sure there might be some useful boards where contacts could be made or useful adresses could be found. Looking specifically for asian providers in different cities but also contacts to fellow mongers.

LP[/QUOTE]You might try poppen.de. I am not sure how much "dating" is on there as opposed to financial interest but at least it is all clearly marked as such.

[url]http://www.poppen.de/home[/url]

Of course it is all in German.

AM

Gentlemen,

I have an issue I am unable to resolve. I've tried the Search and Advanced Search functionality a number of times but strangely the results only contain links to entire threads. So how does one know where one's searched item is in all the pages of a particular thread? Normally in other forums I notice that the actual post opens up with your searched for words. Am I missing something basic here?

Thanks,

Tabs

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Hi TabbySmyth,

Perhaps you'd have better results if in the search option "Show Results as:" you were to select the option "Reports"

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Yes it works! Silly me, missing the 'Single content type' tab. Thanks for the input, Jackson.

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Hi TabbySmyth,

Perhaps you'd have better results if in the search option "Show Results as:" you were to select the option "Reports"

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]

I will be in Berlin the second week of Nov, I still have one more week open to go anywhere but I would like to hear some advices from the experts here in the board.

I was thinking Prague or Kiev what is your opinion?

Thanks a lot to all.

[QUOTE=Dealdo; 1211163]I will be in Berlin the second week of Nov, I still have one more week open to go anywhere but I would like to hear some advices from the experts here in the board.

I was thinking Prague or Kiev what is your opinion?

Thanks a lot to all.[/QUOTE]Personally I would recommend against Prague for pure sex. For a holiday and tourist visit plus sex I recommend it.

My personal expereince.

City centre night clubs / brothels= rip-off tourist places with big prices.

RLD show park= hot girls (moreso at weekends) , good prices, decent service but liimted, no BBBJ, no dfk etc. Etc.

Out of centre brothels= girls were ugly.

Private escorts= never tried to much hassle.

In Prague I found show park only worhtwhile thing but now I know about germany and service and prices I would never go to Prague again for sex. Holiday, nice weather summer, hot girls on the subway, streets, cheap beer, cheap nice food, some cheap RLD sex is what makes prague a fun holiday. Prob best enjoyed with some freinds. BUt for pure sex. Based on my last 2 visits not worth it.

Kiev- no idea?

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1221119]Personally I would recommend against Prague for pure sex. For a holiday and tourist visit plus sex I recommend it.[/QUOTE]I agree.

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1221119]In Prague I found show park only worhtwhile[/QUOTE]I disagree but it depends on what are you looking for : short or long escort meetings?

Personnaly, I think that for escort meetings, Prague is worth; especially in visiting the whole city (Old city and Lesser town Mala Strana with the castle)"escorted" by a Czech or Slovakian-spoken lady.

In general, escort meetings (especially one day or longer) are more expensive in Germany than in Prague.

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500;1221119]now I know about germany and service and prices I would never go to Prague again for sex.[/QUOTE]Just that I would not use the term "never"

I am a German guy living in Munich. Probably one of the worst cities for our hobby.

Since 2 years I use the site [url]www.gesext.de[/url] And in my opinion it's really a good way to find what we are looking for in Germany.

You can find independent and professionals, too. Girls come to visit you in Hotel, Apartment. Or you can visit them at their places.

Wide range of prices and services.

Up to now I booked 6 girls by this way and never have been disappointed.

At least: I am not the owner of the site nor am I earning the money you maybe will spend there.

Hello,

Is it normal that I am not allowed to + Post New Threads?

It seams that I only can post answers to posts like this one here. I tryed to create a Thread to ask the forum staff what they think about local areas with their nature speak? Or a other question that I ask my self. Is there a way to connect with users treveling in Germany?

Where can one find the hottest girls with best service, easily accesible, safe, good prices AND NOT IN AN FKK!

Reason being I don't like the FKK set up. I like to be alone with girls, privacy, less other men etc. Etc.

So what is options, RLD? Privates? But which City? Which country still Germany right in Europe?

[QUOTE=Steave69; 1232432]Hello,

Is it normal that I am not allowed to + Post New Threads?

It seams that I only can post answers to posts like this one here. I tryed to create a Thread to ask the forum staff what they think about local areas with their nature speak? Or a other question that I ask my self. Is there a way to connect with users treveling in Germany?[/QUOTE]You may add new reports to existing threads, but not new threads. I don't know who may add new threads, but I guess that it is reserved for senior members.

Of course there are ways to connect with other users.

For starters you could read the posts here and in the German Partytreff thread and post your own traveling plans in the travelling announcement thread.

I'm going to Germany for 5 days in April. Will first be going to Frankfurt and stay 1 day, and probably go to Oase (been there many times). The next day I want to go to either Dusseldorf or Hannover. I have been to Dusseldorf many times, and FKK Livingroom is one of my favourites. I read some place that Hannover is good, and have many asian girls working. Is Hannover a place I should visit?

"Hangover" does have quite a few appartments to go to plus the redlight district. If you prefer FKKs, there's FKK-Villa which I personally did not like a all. So. Not reqlly worh a visit IMHO.

HB

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500; 1242281]Where can one find the hottest girls with best service, easily accesible, safe, good prices AND NOT IN AN FKK!

Reason being I don't like the FKK set up. I like to be alone with girls, privacy, less other men etc. Etc.

So what is options, RLD? Privates? But which City? Which country still Germany right in Europe?[/QUOTE]Hottest girls, but privacy with less other men? Isn't that like asking for hot ice or dry water?

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1243588]Hottest girls, but privacy with less other men? Isn't that like asking for hot ice or dry water?[/QUOTE]I don't get you?

I just don't like the big clubs with many people. I prefer a small brothel or private girls or RLD. But I read FKK has the best looking girls?

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500; 1244223]I don't get you?

I just don't like the big clubs with many people. I prefer a small brothel or private girls or RLD. But I read FKK has the best looking girls?[/QUOTE]I've been to the AO-Gangbangparties in Krefeld at Oppumer Straße 1 and Gahlingspfad 10 on more than one occasion and I like a lot of the bulgarian girls there. Outside of the parties, I believe they offer single service. The apartment location could be better, especially the bathrooms could be cleaner. But maybe you would like to give it a try anyway. See [url]www.kontakt24.de[/url] And use 'Krefeld' as keyword.

Then there's Dolce Vita in Raubach. Never been there, but heard good things about it, especially for people who want one on one girlfriend sex. But it's an FKK-club.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1245012]I've been to the AO-Gangbangparties in Krefeld at Oppumer Straße 1 and Gahlingspfad 10 on more than one occasion and I like a lot of the bulgarian girls there. Outside of the parties, I believe they offer single service. The apartment location could be better, especially the bathrooms could be cleaner. But maybe you would like to give it a try anyway. See.

[url]www.kontakt24.de[/url]

And use 'Krefeld' as keyword.

Then there's Dolce Vita in Raubach. Never been there, but heard good things about it, especially for people who want one on one girlfriend sex. But it's an FKK-club.[/QUOTE]Ok thanks I will research on these suggestions.

I am looking for porn models (those who are interested in being in front of camera). I don't want to shoot the next porn flick, some thing for private use.

Any ideas? What kind of budget are we talking about?

Yu might start looking at web sites for Melanie Moon and Laureen Pink.

[QUOTE=Chief Dallal; 1254522]I am looking for porn models (those who are interested in being in front of camera). I don't want to shoot the next porn flick, some thing for private use.

Any ideas? What kind of budget are we talking about?[/QUOTE]

Would someone post a link to the google FKK map? Many thanks!

[QUOTE=Chief Dallal; 1254522]I am looking for porn models (those who are interested in being in front of camera). I don't want to shoot the next porn flick, some thing for private use.

Any ideas? What kind of budget are we talking about?[/QUOTE]In addition to Melanie Moon and Laureen Pink, who were already suggested to you, have a look at the following pages:

[url]www.marina-montana.com[/url]

[url]www.sexy-susi.info[/url]

[url]www.salmadenora.com[/url]

No idea about the budget situation.

From hearsay I know something of around 800 Euros for a night with Salma de Nora.

So I was looking at my options.

On my credit / debit cards I'm getting lots of fees. Meaning if I withdraw £300 ill only get about £280.

Other options:

Travellers cheques?

By euros in Uk and take with me? Bit dodgy if lose or stolen though.

Perhaps open a German bank account and transer money into it, then use german ATM to avoid any fees. Though I'm not sure if this is possible if you're not a permanent resident? And worthwhile unless making repeated visits.

[QUOTE=Super Cum 500; 1256827]So I was looking at my options.

On my credit / debit cards I'm getting lots of fees. Meaning if I withdraw £300 ill only get about £280.

Other options:

Travellers cheques?

By euros in Uk and take with me? Bit dodgy if lose or stolen though.

Perhaps open a German bank account and transer money into it, then use german ATM to avoid any fees. Though I'm not sure if this is possible if you're not a permanent resident? And worthwhile unless making repeated visits.[/QUOTE]Using plastic is still the best way to go because the Visa/Mastercard wholesale exchange rate is likely to be the best exchange rate you can get as a private citizen BUT you've got to get the right cards!

As you've found out, in the UK at least, most credit / debit cards will charge you a plethra of additional charges when you use your card abroad. These comprise:[list][*]A "load" on the exchange rate of typically 2.75%[*]A cash withdrawal fee of around 2.5%[*]Additional interest charges (for cash withdrawals on a credit card)[*]Some debit cards also charge a spending fee of say £1.5 every time you you use them to pay for stuff (as opposed to withdrawing cash)[/list]You definitely can't beat the banks for their ingenuity in finding ways to rip you off!

There are some specialist cards that you can use though that don't charge all of these additional fees.

If you're in the London area then get a debit card from [url=https://www.metrobankonline.co.uk/]Metro Bank[/url] as they don't charge any additional fees. Alternatively get a [b]Clarity credit card[/b] From the Halifax. This doesn't make any charge for spending abroad but will charge you 12.9% (cash withdrawal interest) i.e. About 1% per month, even if you repay in full, which is still a pretty good deal. I sometime pre-pay on my Clarity card (i.e. Put a credit balance on it to cover the amount that I intend to withdraw abroad) to avoid paying the interest charge but be aware that this is against the terms and conditions and so they could action against you if you do this.

Note that even using these cards you will find that some German banks may still hit you with a cash withdrawal charge for using a foreign card in their ATMs but you can't do much about that other than try a few different banks.

Check out this site for a fuller explanation of travel money issues: [url]http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-travel-money#topcards[/url]

The other thing I have is a multi-currency account with Citibank. This allows me to have a number of different currency accounts with them and switch between them online at any time and then use a debit card to withdraw money locally from the respective currency account. Their exchange rate isn't quite as good as the Visa / Mastercard wholesale rate though so I tend to use the other cards in preference but it is useful for playing the exchange rate game as you can change money when exchange rates are more advantageous and then just leave it in Euros or whatever until you want to travel. You can also withdraw money freely from Citibank branches abroad which was good before Citibank sold their German branches.

[QUOTE=Dark Vader; 1256950]Using plastic is still the best way to go because the Visa / Mastercard wholesale exchange rate is likely to be the best exchange rate you can get as a private citizen BUT you've got to get the right cards!

As you've found out, in the UK at least, most credit / debit cards will charge you a plethra of additional charges when you use your card abroad. These comprise:[list][*]A "load" on the exchange rate of typically 2. 75%[*]A cash withdrawal fee of around 2. 5%[*]Additional interest charges (for cash withdrawals on a credit card)[*]Some debit cards also charge a spending fee of say £1. 5 every time you you use them to pay for stuff (as opposed to withdrawing cash)[/list]You definitely can't beat the banks for their ingenuity in finding ways to rip you off!

There are some specialist cards that you can use though that don't charge all of these additional fees.

If you're in the London area then get a debit card from.

[url=https://www.metrobankonline.co.uk/]Metro Bank[/url]

As they don't charge any additional fees. Alternatively get a [b]Clarity credit card[/b] From the Halifax. This doesn't make any charge for spending abroad but will charge you 12. 9% (cash withdrawal interest) I. E. About 1% per month, even if you repay in full, which is still a pretty good deal. I sometime pre-pay on my Clarity card (I. E. Put a credit balance on it to cover the amount that I intend to withdraw abroad) to avoid paying the interest charge but be aware that this is against the terms and conditions and so they could action against you if you do this.

Note that even using these cards you will find that some German banks may still hit you with a cash withdrawal charge for using a foreign card in their ATMs but you can't do much about that other than try a few different banks.

Check out this site for a fuller explanation of travel money issues:

[url]http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-travel-money#topcards[/url]

The other thing I have is a multi-currency account with Citibank. This allows me to have a number of different currency accounts with them and switch between them online at any time and then use a debit card to withdraw money locally from the respective currency account. Their exchange rate isn't quite as good as the Visa / Mastercard wholesale rate though so I tend to use the other cards in preference but it is useful for playing the exchange rate game as you can change money when exchange rates are more advantageous and then just leave it in Euros or whatever until you want to travel. You can also withdraw money freely from Citibank branches abroad which was good before Citibank sold their German branches.[/QUOTE]Interesting info. Thanks for that. My bank charges all fees you mentioned.

I also researched the Halifax calrity card and was going to apply for that but maybe you can help me? I don't understand how the interest on cash withdrawals from Atms works with this card. So there is no charges but you get charged interest at 12. 8% from the day you withdraw everyday.

So, if I take out £300 on The Thursday, Friday and Satruday. Then I return to Uk on the Tuesday and pay off the credit card by Wednesday how much interest would I have accumulated?

SO basically if I take out 3 *£300 withdrawals (my ATM max withdrawal limit per day) in Frankfurt. How much will I be paying back, even if I pay off this credit online within 1 week. Also, I wonder if there is a limit as to how much credit you can take. Can I take £1000 limit of debt or something? Or mayeb £500 is limit?

I wonder how much interest you are charged each day? I don't know how to work it out so not sure if a no-charges credit card is cheaper than a debit-card withdrawal with charges? Also as I say not sure max credit limit on the Halifax card?

As for pre loading the card I read about this also and it seems good idea if you can get away with it but it is against the terms and not sure how to do it exactly.

Appreciate any more advice.

Cheers

I have been visiting Germany for about a year now, and have found some good resources that you may not know about. Some I have seen on this site, but most I will list I have not seen here so hopefully this is new helpful info. Want to also share some comments on my personal experiences.

First, here is a list of my main internet research resources for finding places to visit (not in any order) :

1. Go into Google search, and type in "der monger map". This resource is referenced in many spots on this forum, so I don't have anything new to add. I have found several of the web sites links embedded in the map are no longer active, and it seems like the page has not been updated in a couple years. Nevertheless, a very helpful guide.

2. If you are in Cologne / Dusseldorf area, check out [url]http://diskret.de[/url] Great resource for places in North Rhein area.

3. Also in North Rhein area is [url]http://www.6relax.de[/url] Another nice and up to date list of clubs, massage places, etc.

4. My fave resource I found is [url]http://www.redlightaddressbook.net[/url] This is a great source of info for major portions of Germany. I can not read German, but I can still make my way around this site. The "karten" option showing map locations is truly awesome. Check it out!

As far as my own experiences, here is what I have found:

1. FKK's are cool, but lack of affordable booze and expensive entry fee is a big negative for me. Still, a high quality FKK like ones in Frankfurt that have been written about extensively in this forum is a "must try". For me, I prefer spending my money directly on the girls, although the fee to enter an FKK is certainly understandable to cover cost of towels, robes, food, etc. Trying a FKK was on my Bucket List, and I am glad I tried it, but been there, done that.

2. I really enjoy night clubs with service providers on staff, but they are difficult to find. There are ones on the big cities, but they are crazy expensive. I think night clubs on the whole are to be avoided in Germany, but perhaps I just have not visited the right spots yet.

3. All in all, my preference is to be in a nice city where I can walk around, grab some food, have some beers and then make my way to a nice brothel when I am feeling the urge. Of all the cities I have visited, I really enjoy Cologne. It is a very nice city with good food and pubs, and I really like the Pashca brothel. It is an easy / safe walk from downtown Cologne, and the selection of girls is pretty good. There are actually two building right across the street from each other, and if you go in the late afternoon or evening you will have at least 30 girls to pick from. With those kind of numbers, you are likely to find one to suit your likings. Plus, you can chat them up a bit as they sit in their chairs in the hallway to see if they are energetic or boring.

I will write more after future trips if I learn anything more. I hope this info helps adventure seekers in Germany. Plus, now I feel like I can use this board in good conscious knowing that I have contributed.

Have fun!

Where's the best RLD in Europe?

Is it in Germany and if so which city?

I'm looking for a good site that offers information on German porno stars. While I am unaware of a lot of them, my preferences include Vivian Schmitt (that would be a dream come true) , Melanie Moon, and Sexy Susi. I don't mind traveling to whichever city they are located in. In the US and the UK, there are websites and agencies that represent tons of stars, but I haven't been able to find one for German or Germany-based stars.

[QUOTE=Doonan;1274950]I'm looking for a good site that offers information on German porno stars. While I am unaware of a lot of them, my preferences include Vivian Schmitt (that would be a dream come true) , Melanie Moon, and Sexy Susi. I don't mind traveling to whichever city they are located in. In the US and the UK, there are websites and agencies that represent tons of stars, but I haven't been able to find one for German or Germany-based stars.[/QUOTE]If you had bothered to check the 'gangbang clubs' and 'Bareback AO' threads of the German Partytreffs forum here on ISG, you would already have found something, since I have posted several website adresses lately. I don't know of any sites who offer info about all german pornstars, so you'll have to check each pornstars own site one by one. I had several AO-parties at 'Spermagames' with both Sexy-Susi and Melanie Moon, last time at 'Spermagames' with both of them. (Read my report in the Bareback AO thread.)

On Thursday, May 10th will be another 3-pornstar-AO-gangbang at Spermagames with Sexy-Susi, Marina Montana and Gundula Pervers, on Saturday, May 12th Melanie Moon does an AO-gangbang of her own together with Gabi (who is not a pornstar, but a real eyecatcher) in Saarbrücken. Both events will cost you 100 Euros each if you register at least 24 hours in advance, plus 20 Euros for an HIV-test, to be done on-site.

If you are into american pornstar Emma Starr, you can get inside her at AO-gangbang-events (filmed ones) at Spermastudio in Gelsenkirchen on the 28th and 29th of June. And if you don't mind being filmed, Sexy-Natalie's AO-gangbangs are another option.

All the forementioned are pornstar-gangbang-events. If you should want a single date with them (which most of them offer, depending how deep your pocket is) you'll have to ask them yourself. On Melanie Moon's site you'll even find some prices for private "Treffen".

Here (again) are those websites for you to check out:

[url]www.spermagames.com[/url]

[url]www.sexy-susi.info[/url]

[url]www.mygundula.de[/url]

[url]www.melaniemoon.com[/url]

[url]www.marina-montana.com[/url]

[url]www.sexynatalie.tv[/url]

[url]www.spermastudio.de[/url]

[QUOTE=Doonan;1274950]I'm looking for a good site that offers information on German porno stars. While I am unaware of a lot of them, my preferences include Vivian Schmitt (that would be a dream come true) , Melanie Moon, and Sexy Susi. I don't mind traveling to whichever city they are located in. In the US and the UK, there are websites and agencies that represent tons of stars, but I haven't been able to find one for German or Germany-based stars.[/QUOTE]Another way to get access to some of these ladies is to try the following sites -

[url]www.mydirtyhobby.com[/url]

[url]www.PornMe.com[/url]

[url]www.Privateamateure.com.[/url]

Although advertised as amateur sites, some of the better known GB girls - like the aforementioned Emma Starr mentioned above - are represented there.

You need to buy some coupons and use the private message systems to make contact.

Drawback is that some won't meet you unless you agree to filming although a mask is usually acceptable to them.


The great Anna-Lena Blum has her own escort agency based between Berlin and Leipzig but I'm not sure if she's still taking dates herself anymore or moved upstairs to the boardroom...

[url]http://www.anna-lena-blum.com/[/url]

Not sure if Vivian Schmitt has escorted but my hunch is that she's beyond that now...

VG

I am looking for FKK or massage with Asian girls. Any tips?

OK, so I have been in Germany for a little while and have a few questions. I have mainly been sticking to the FKK scene, but want to venture out. After looking online, I see lots of ladies advertise their services with address and apartment numbers in the ad. A few of these ladies have no phone number. I found 3 ladies advertising services in the same apartment building, different rooms and floors, and from what I can tell this is just a regular apartment building. So, do I call first? Is this a place where you just show up? I don't want to offend or upset any of the ladies. I passed one of these places that had an advertisement for a few ladies in an apartment, when I drove by, there was a sign in the second floor window that said open, but the building appeared to be a simple apartment building. I am not sure how to approach this whole apartment building thing. I am in the Nurnberg / Erlargen? Furth area, and any info would be hugely helpful.

Thanks all!

[QUOTE=ZapFrank; 1286696]OK, so I have been in Germany for a little while and have a few questions. I have mainly been sticking to the FKK scene, but want to venture out. After looking online, I see lots of ladies advertise their services with address and apartment numbers in the ad. A few of these ladies have no phone number. I found 3 ladies advertising services in the same apartment building, different rooms and floors, and from what I can tell this is just a regular apartment building. So, do I call first? Is this a place where you just show up? I don't want to offend or upset any of the ladies. I passed one of these places that had an advertisement for a few ladies in an apartment, when I drove by, there was a sign in the second floor window that said open, but the building appeared to be a simple apartment building. I am not sure how to approach this whole apartment building thing. I am in the Nurnberg / Erlargen? Furth area, and any info would be hugely helpful.

Thanks all![/QUOTE]Yes many of the German adds show the address, you could just show up at the door, but If the lady Is busy then you will be stood there, most adds do show phone numbers, and a few words In German may help you to book the appointment.

I am going to Hamburg in a few weeks, do you think I could take photo's of the german ladies while they suck my cock or I fuck them?

Pardon me if it already has been posted and I can't find it. Is there a glossary of German terms and acronyms and their English definitions? In particular, I am curious what is meant by the acronyms FO and GV.

[QUOTE=Eeyore;1294114]In particular, I am curious what is meant by the acronyms FO and GV.[/QUOTE]FO=BBBJ (no cim)

GV=Full service sex more commonly known as fucking.

AM

[quote=eeyore;1294114]pardon me if it already has been posted and i can't find it. is there a glossary of german terms and acronyms and their english definitions? in particular, i am curious what is meant by the acronyms fo and gv.[/quote]here's a website with lots of german acronyms and abbreviations:

[url]www.traummaennlein.com/abkuerzungen.htm[/url]

of course the explanations are in german, so you'll have to use a translation tool or ask again about anything special.

here are ome common ones:

ao = alles ohne (literally: all without) ; bareback fucking and blowing.

fo = französisch ohne (lit. : french without) ; bbbj, usually with out cim.

fn = französisch natur (lit. : french natural) ; same as fo.

ft = französisch total (lit. : french complete) ; bbbj including cim and cof.

gb = gesichtsbesamung; cof. also of course:

gb = gangbang.

gs = gruppensex (lit. : group sex)

gv = geschlechtsverkehr (lit. : sexual intercourse)

ns = natursekt (lit. : natural champagne) ; [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url], [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].

nsa, nsp, nsma = ns aktiv, passiv, mit aufnahme (lit. : with intake) ; she pisses, she's being pissed on, she gets pissed in the mouth and swallows.

pt = partnertausch (lit. : swapping partners)

tg = taschengeld (lit. : pocket money) ; paid sex. (unlike tg in english, which means transgender.)

tr, ts = trans, transsexual; transgender.

za = zungenanal (lit. : tongue-anal) ; asslicking, rimming.

zk = zungenküsse (lit. : tongue kisses) ; french kissing

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1294147]Here's a website with lots of german acronyms and abbreviations:

[url]www.traummaennlein.com/abkuerzungen.htm[/url][/QUOTE]I looked at above website, but did not see CDL. I have seen that on some German forums and apparently means sex worker but could someone give clearer translation

[QUOTE=Diet Coke;1294220]I looked at above website, but did not see CDL. I have seen that on some German forums and apparently means sex worker but could someone give clearer translation[/QUOTE]Stupid abbreviation. Or better: Stupid term.

CDL stands for ClubDienstLeisterin. Translates as Club Service Provider. Or rather Provideress. And of course it means sex worker. It seems as if Orwell's newspeak as reached the sex business scene. I didn't know that CDL abbreviation myself and had to look it up.

[QUOTE=Eeyore;1294114]Pardon me if it already has been posted and I can't find it. Is there a glossary of German terms and acronyms and their English definitions? In particular, I am curious what is meant by the acronyms FO and GV.[/QUOTE]Hi Eeyore-

There was a good discussion related to your question, if you will go back to old posts in March of this year. Go to the German forum- FKK Clubs, FKK FAQ thread- Read posts 843 through 846, and a couple more nearby, and I think you will get the information you are looking for.

Horbate

[quote=swingerlover;1294147]ns = natursekt (lit. : natural champagne) ; rep002, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].[/quote]it is worth noting that ns is often written as ns spiel-ns play or games. put through a web translator it is often translates as nazi games. i guess the translator sees ns and reads nationalist socialist. the first time i noticed this on a translated german web site i was shocked to say the least as i can not imagine any bordello in germany openly advertising such a fetish. it may well happen here but not as an openly advertised special.

it was only after i went back to the german site that i noticed that they were talking about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] games.

am

Hi, fellows,

Did you realize uncovered blowjobs are outlaw in the Bavaria Lander? How can people get AO sex if it is not possible even uncovered blowjobs? So do people pay crazy prices for rubberish sex only?

That's very funny for Bavarian husbands too: "oh my darling, I can't suck your penis otherwise we have to pay a fine to our government.".

[QUOTE=Hamburg Street;1286875]I am going to Hamburg in a few weeks, do you think I could take photo's of the german ladies while they suck my cock or I fuck them?[/QUOTE]Everyone has their price, usually they charge another E50, and will cover their face. Many are more open to them taking photos of YOU eating or fucking them. That way their face is not in the photo. I"ve never been willing to pay the cost of "full on everyting photos". (aka porno shoot) Those are beyond my budget.

[QUOTE=Doonan;1274950]I'm looking for a good site that offers information on German porno stars. While I am unaware of a lot of them, my preferences include Vivian Schmitt (that would be a dream come true) , Melanie Moon, and Sexy Susi. I don't mind traveling to whichever city they are located in. In the US and the UK, there are websites and agencies that represent tons of stars, but I haven't been able to find one for German or Germany-based stars.[/QUOTE]Melanie and Susi both fuck fans all over Germany. I just fucked Melanie a few weekends ago without a condom at SpermaGames. You need a rantal car to get there. I fucked Susi about 9 months ago at a Saskia Farwell party. (With condom)

[url]http://www.spermagames.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.saskia-farell.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1296434]Hi, fellows,

Did you realize uncovered blowjobs are outlaw in the Bavaria Lander? How can people get AO sex if it is not possible even uncovered blowjobs? So do people pay crazy prices for rubberish sex only?

That's very funny for Bavarian husbands too: "oh my darling, I can't suck your penis otherwise we have to pay a fine to our government.".[/QUOTE]I heard that AO was now outlawed in Hansastadt Bremen. (HB)

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall; 1300830]Melanie and Susi both fuck fans all over Germany. I just fucked Melanie a few weekends ago without a condom at SpermaGames. You need a rantal car to get there. I fucked Susi about 9 months ago at a Saskia Farwell party. (With condom)

[url]http://www.spermagames.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.saskia-farell.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Hi, Mr!

Was that Saskia-Party the one at Swingerclub Drunter & Drüber in Mönchengladbach? Because if so, I've been there too! Had much fun with Susi, with Saskia herself and especially with Pia, who was the hottest one around! How sad that Saskia doesn't do AO-Parties.

Oh, and about the Anti-AO-thing in Bremen: I got that from the gb01-website and have already written about it in the General Info thread of the Germany Partytreff forum!

Can someone tell me the nearest flat rate clubs to the slovenian border?

Thank you

Hi, I apologize in advance if my question is illegal. I turn to you for help in finding a decent discreet private apartment level in Germany. Looking for the best daily operation, where fewer girls. Offers are many, but I do not think all true. Previously I worked as a hostess in the Czech Republic, now I wanted to return to work and I found that a lot has changed not only in prices but also a level of access to colleagues. I did not know where to turn with this inquiry and one of my clients I recommend this discussion forum. For any information in advance thank you very much and wish you a beautiful day.

Best Regards,

Amanda

[QUOTE=Amanda23; 1314286]Hi, I apologize in advance if my question is illegal. I turn to you for help in finding a decent discreet private apartment level in Germany. Looking for the best daily operation, where fewer girls. Offers are many, but I do not think all true. Previously I worked as a hostess in the Czech Republic, now I wanted to return to work and I found that a lot has changed not only in prices but also a level of access to colleagues. I did not know where to turn with this inquiry and one of my clients I recommend this discussion forum. For any information in advance thank you very much and wish you a beautiful day.

Best Regards,

Amanda[/QUOTE]Maybe you can give Kamilla Dee a try here in Berlin. It is said to be well run (female owned and operated) and offeres a safe, clean and busy environment for the ladies.

[url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/frames_e.htm[/url]

AM

[QUOTE=Amanda23; 1314286]Hi, I apologize in advance if my question is illegal. I turn to you for help in finding a decent discreet private apartment level in Germany. Looking for the best daily operation, where fewer girls. Offers are many, but I do not think all true. Previously I worked as a hostess in the Czech Republic, now I wanted to return to work and I found that a lot has changed not only in prices but also a level of access to colleagues. I did not know where to turn with this inquiry and one of my clients I recommend this discussion forum. For any information in advance thank you very much and wish you a beautiful day.

Best Regards,

Amanda[/QUOTE]Are you looking for something in a city or would you consider a rural area too? If you were to offer Bareback and Gangbang services in my area around Hahn airport, then you would have the field to yourself for almost the entire Bundesland of Rhineland-Palantine. Another upside is cheap rent and lower cost of living. Downside is that there are not as many men (and therefore potential customers) around as in big cities. So also a bit of a risk involved here. That's why you would have to offer something special like Bareback services and gangbangs or group activity, like what's written about in the Bareback threads of the Germany Partyftreff Clubs forum. And for such parties the close proximity to Hahn airport could even be useful to attract customers from abroad. I would be glad to assist if this is an option for you.

Hi guys, especially Swingerlover,

I apologize for my naivety and ignorance of the subjects, I've been in many countries where one can get "common" P4P services, I mean when one alone gets a girl alone and has "normal" straight sex: oral, vaginal and maybe anal. The maximum risk I have taken is uncovered blowjob, and the times my condom broke inside always frightened me. I've never travelled to Germany but I might do it in a close future, so I would like to ask some questions about the flat rate clubs. A friend of mine, who has been in many FKKs, says he didn't try these so called pauschal klubs because he fears that there might be less girls, less beautiful and bad service. Can you give details about these flat rate clubs? I read in some posts that you pay up to 150 euros for all day and then you can have sex for as long as you can make it. But how long will a girl stay with you for that? What services will she offer? Where can one find these flats?

Other question, not only for Swingerlover:

In many posts I read about all bareback, AO. Very ingenuous question: how do you deal with STDs? I read that you take part to gangbangs, that to participate you must have your HIV test done recently or pay some 20 euros on the spot to have it done, but I know also that HIV might stay "hidden" for up to 6 months before showing out in a test, which shouldn't give peace of mind. Also there are many other STD's, more or less heavy, syphilis, herpes, hepatitis, etc. Do you test them all?

I apologize again because reading Germany's section makes me feel less than zero as a monger, since I've been in so many places with so many girls just doing "basic" stuff while there is a country where nearly any sexdream can come true. Even legally and encoded. Of course I came across some "special" offers, but they were personal initiatives of the girl I was dealing with, not advertised clubs with employes and organization behind.

Thanks in advance to those who will want to answer me. If and when I go to Germany I will post. Currently set a trip to Poland for next month, for "usual, common basic stuff". Obviously I'll post.

Bye

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1319592]I apologize for my naivety and ignorance of the subjects, I've been in many countries where one can get "common" P4P services, I mean when one alone gets a girl alone and has "normal" straight sex: oral, vaginal and maybe anal. The maximum risk I have taken is uncovered blowjob, and the times my condom broke inside always frightened me. I've never travelled to Germany but I might do it in a close future, so I would like to ask some questions about the flat rate clubs. A friend of mine, who has been in many FKKs, says he didn't try these so called pauschal klubs because he fears that there might be less girls, less beautiful and bad service. Can you give details about these flat rate clubs? I read in some posts that you pay up to 150 euros for all day and then you can have sex for as long as you can make it. But how long will a girl stay with you for that? What services will she offer? Where can one find these flats?

In many posts I read about all bareback, AO. Very ingenuous question: how do you deal with STDs? I read that you take part to gangbangs, that to participate you must have your HIV test done recently or pay some 20 euros on the spot to have it done, but I know also that HIV might stay "hidden" for up to 6 months before showing out in a test, which shouldn't give peace of mind. Also there are many other STD's, more or less heavy, syphilis, herpes, hepatitis, etc. Do you test them all?[/QUOTE]Hi!

No reason to agologize for naivety if you're inquiring about something that is new to you.

In the FKKs are definitely more girls than in the flatrate clubs and propably better looking ones too. That's why the FKKs become so prohibitively expensive if you stay there for an entire day and want to have multiple action. That's why I don't go to FKKs, even though I like the nudity stuff a lot, but I don't like their concepts. As for the service, well, that depends on the place and on the women who are there. And even good ones have bad days.

You can find flatrate clubs all over Germany. If you are looking for bareback flatrate, there are less options of course than with rubber. Check some german advertising websites for details and locations:

[url]www.fickanzeigen.net[/url]

[url]www.fickreklame.com[/url]

[url]www.hotparty-nrw.de[/url]

Or any link I posted on the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread.

Hard to give any specific advice without knowing WHERE in Germany you will be. I mostly post only for what is within two and a half hours from my home. Price range usually is from 40 to 140 Euros, depending on where you go and who is there. Spermagames had cost 120 Euros plus 20 for test and the party was AO with 3 to 8 women and for around 8 hours. The apartment parties in Krefeld are from 50 to 80 Euros for 8 to 12 hours with 3 to 11 women, no test required. Filmed gangbangs are usually a bit cheaper, depending on 'where and who'. Melanie Moon Gangbangs at her place in Saarbrücken cost about 60 to 80 Euros plus test.

Most of the parties I go to are gangbangs or group sex parties with 'public' action, meaning everybody can watch and join in. The flatrate days at Cleopatra Arena in Gelsenkirchen, LaLuna in Moers and Angelique in Viersen are to my knowledge single service flatrate days. I haven't been to either. The girls should stay around 20 minutes per session. At the group sex parties, there is no fixed limit. Neither for time, nor for how often you do it. But at a gangbang it naturally is unwanted to occupy a woman for a lengthy time period if there are other guys waiting in line. That doesn't mean that you don't get some half-an-hour-one-on-one-session there; I had that even at Spermagames. But I wouldn't count on it.

The services depend on the women. Usually it's advertised upfront, but with the Krefeld-parties, you usually can't believe all that's advertised. And even if a woman is advertised for anal, it still depends on her mood of the day. And that's true for the bareback and the rubber parties. If you're looking for rubber parties as well: Saskia Farell parties are quite good, and I hear only good things about Zhuzha in Ratingen.

Regarding your question about dealing with STDs: How do you deal with the risks of accidents when you travel? If you are not afraid to drive for hours from place to place despite the thousands of traffic victims per year, then I don't see why you are afraid of STDs. And almost everybody who does tests only test for HIV, except for Spermagames who tested for Syph too.

About AO read up in the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum, specificly in the Bareback AO, Krefeld AO Parties, Spermagames and Cleopatra Arena threads for reports and check the Bareback Calendar thread for coming parties and links to websites.

Rock on!

Hi SwingerLover,

Thank you for your understanding and your answer.

For next 2 months I planned holidays in Poland and Romania, I don't know when I'm going to try Germany, so I don't know where either. It should be a city with pauschalclubs to choose from, easy to reach by airplain, not too expensive and possibly with some touristic attractions as well, so I guess it could be Berlin, not Munchen. Since I'm travelling for holiday I can choose the city, I've friends trying Germany everywhere that can give me general infos, maybe even travel toghether, but they know only about FKKs, they ignored the flatrate clubs until I read it here on ISG and spread the news. I'm reading in posts that in Germany everywhere you go you can find sex, in the streets, in clubs, in brothels, in FKKs, in kinos (what are these?) , etc. So much to handle! Since I rather being alone with the girl, I'm afraid partytreffs are not for me, I hate having other eyes watching and other cocks around, I tried a couple of swingers clubs in my life, I tried with a friend of mine once 1 once 2 prostitutes alltoghether, therefore being once 3 and once 4 in a bed, and I didn't feel at ease at all! Maybe I should try this kind of experiences after swallowing blue candies, LOL! FKKs don't suit me either, because I want to have more than one shot and anyway I can't be bothered by chronometers, that's why I go to cheap countries. 4 girls in Bucharest (which being the capital should be also the most expensive place of the country) can cost me the sole entrance of Artemis, if time runs out (depending on agreements) , adding a few. Really a few. Euros will sort out any problem, in a FKK 300 euros may not be enough for 1 day. Plus outer costs of hotel, food, etc. I aim to keep a low budget for my holidays, and not only because of being stingy.

Thank you for the sites, unfortunately my german is close to 0 but with google translator I got some help, when I'll plan a visit to Germany I'll make proper investigations, sites in english and possibly other questions here. You wrote about flatrate days, was it a mistake? What did you mean by "single service flatrate days"? What happens after the 20 minutes you mentioned? I'll not be through in that while. Can I continue with another girl? Can I go back to the same after a while? I understood you don't go to pauschals, but probably you can know anyway how they work. I hope someone who does will post, I'll read other less recent pages on ISG to find infos, in the meantime I'll carry on my "routine mongering".

As to STDs, I respect all points of view. I think few people hate condoms more than I do because many times I don't feel pleasure in fucking, I just bang, to say it all I'm envious with those who suffer from ejaculatio precox because they feel and release, when I have girlfriend even making AO I may not release, so you can imagine me using a condom and making sex more times a day for many consecutive days. Many times I'll not finish. But still I prefer to penetrate with rubber.

P. S. Unless a trip to Germany makes me change my mind! LOL.

Bye

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1320333], in kinos (what are these?) , etc. So much to handle! Since I rather being alone with the girl, I'm afraid partytreffs are not for me, I hate having other eyes watching and other cocks around, I tried a couple of swingers clubs in my life,

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I can't be bothered by chronometers, that's why I go to cheap countries. 4 girls in Bucharest (which being the capital should be also the most expensive place of the country) can cost me the sole entrance of Artemis, if time runs out (depending on agreements) , adding a few.

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You wrote about flatrate days, was it a mistake? What did you mean by "single service flatrate days"? What happens after the 20 minutes you mentioned? I'll not be through in that while. Can I continue with another girl? Can I go back to the same after a while? I understood you don't go to pauschals, but probably you can know anyway how they work. I hope someone who does will post, I'll read other less recent pages on ISG to find infos, in the meantime I'll carry on my "routine mongering".

As to STDs, I respect all points of view.[/QUOTE]Hello again!

"Kinos" (= cinemas) are porn theatres, often attached to a sex shop, where sometimes public gangbangs are held. Either organized ones by a special provider like "Kinogirls" or sometimes as spontaneous actions from some private couples and woman like Gangbang-Natascha, who I just one year ago today at around this time have bareback fucked for the first time at the EGO-pornkino in Oberhonnefeld.

No good for you if you prefer one-on-one with the women. And most Partytreffs won't work for you either. There are very few flatrate Paryttreffs where you can go behind closed doors with a girl (much less occupy her for half an hour or more) and even fewer if you are looking for AO. Seems to me that you would be better off at an FKK, aside from the cost.

By "single service flatrate days" I mean exactly what you seem to be looking for. Example: Cleopatra Arena in Gelsenkirchen. Usually you pay for play each time you play. On Wednesdays they have a flatrate day with 79 Euros regular price; 99 including AO and 119 including AO and anal. You can go as often as you like (and girls and rooms are available) without any extra pay and it still happens behind closed doors and one-on-one. So you get single service (without anyone watching) for a flatrate price. And on their flatrate days, LaLuna in Moers basically works the same way, except that it is 130 Euros for AO and you can go a maximum of 8 times. Another option would be Treff188 in Eschborn near Frankfurt, where they used to take 85 Euros and everybody went behind closed doors too. Which is why I stopped going there. And this place was strictly 'rubber' too. (Even though I managed to sneak in some AO.) But I recommend against Treff188 from my last experiences there. (Unless maybe they have gotten better in the meantime.) About LaLuna I hear and read almost only bad stuff (and the good stuff is only about the Gangbang) and Cleopatra Arena gets mixed reports, bad ones are the majority. From personal experience I recommend to stay away from Schneewittchen in Viersen and relax-today in Kerpen. So you see the dilemma: The only ones fitting your search parameters are no good or not recommendable. What's left is Angelique in Viersen, but there hasn't been any flatrate day since the 12th of July. And they were the ones with the 20 minute time limit. I don't know what happens after that, I don't think that the girls have a stopwatch present during things, but I doubt that you'll get more than half an hour per session when there's a whole bunch of guys downstairs waiting their turn.

Since you don't want what I like best (groupsex) and look for single service for flatrate prices, I don't know what else to recommend. Maybe somebody else can help.

One more thing about the STDs: I already had posted previously that some guys I met use an ointment named "Inimur" or a spray named "Octenisept" after bareback sex.

Hi SwingerLover,

Thank you for your answers, accurate and fast.

You could probably write your own guide, propose it both to sex providers for advertising and to Germany tourist offices to implement their list of attractions.)

If you think I gave you a good idea and you do it, and make money out of it, please remember me.)

As to my searches, I thought that flatrate clubs were different stuff from partytreffs, not part of them. I'm sorry for being stubborn, but if "flatrate" (e. G. 79$) means all included apart AO (99$) and anal (119$) , this is more or less the possible performance you get normally everywhere by any girl! And I haven't understood the maximum 8 times if I pay for each play, not that I'm going to make 9 attempts in one day, but as long as one pays he should be welcome and allowed. Since in places like Bucharest I can fulfill my needs with 100 euros or less a day, putting toghether accommodation, strolling, food, taxis and a minimum of 2 girls a day without worrying too much about time or performances (for what I want) , you can understand why I go to east and I haven't been yet to Germany, where with 100 euros I probably don't go much farther than just accommodation and taxis.

I was curious to try the flatrates thinking that they could make worth a trip for my standards, even if still much more costly considering the whole thing, but if you are right about time allowances and other conditions, I don't need to rush bookings. To be honest, your descriptions don't encourage me. Soon at least one friend of mine will travel somewhere in Germany and I told him to investigate on the spot and ask whomever might have accurate infos, starting from taxi drivers.

Let me thank you once again, also for your patience.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1321151]As to my searches, I thought that flatrate clubs were different stuff from partytreffs, not part of them. I'm sorry for being stubborn, but if "flatrate" (e. G. 79$) means all included apart AO (99$) and anal (119$) , this is more or less the possible performance you get normally everywhere by any girl! And I haven't understood the maximum 8 times if I pay for each play,[/QUOTE]I would say that all Partytreffs are flatrate clubs, like Treff188.

Cleopatra Arena, LaLuna and Angelique are usually not flatrate. And they are no Partytreffs either, they call themselves "Saunaclub" or simply "Club" and are more like the FKK-Clubs, only that the girls aren't naked all the time. So you usually pay as you play, and then there's no 8-times-limit either.

But they do flatrate days sporadically, in case of CA every Wednesday. On those days you don't pay for each play seperately, but can go as often as you like with all girls who are available for what you pay for. But at LaLuna only up to 8 times for paying 130 Euros once for all 8 sessions, whether you use them or not. If you go for the anal version for 119 Euros at CA, it might be that there are only 2 girls there for anal. But for paying just once, you can go with all girls during the entire party time and do with them whatever they are available for.

The "possible performance you get normally everywhere by any girl" is that you pay the one girl the 80 Euros. At CA you get ALL the girls for the flatrate price on the flatrate day, like at a Partytreff.

So you see: A Partytreff is flatrate, but not everybody who offers flatrate is a Partytreff.

I think that now I understood better, it must have been the expression "single service" that misleaded me when I wrote about any girl anywhere.

I think I'll probably come to Germany next year, anyway for sure after my already planned trips, so I have time to gather other infos, and you too, after all it is also your interest!.)

I would like to visit a big city (Berlin? Frankfurt?) , easy to reach by plane and with some touristic interests as well, it might be difficult and costly to reach some small cities just for a flat banging experience. I don't know whether Gelsenkirchen has got an airport or not, but I'm pretty sure that Krefeld, Oberhausen and Viersen have not, so I need to find other names and addresses, but I appreheciate a lot the infos you gave me, also for how these clubs work.

Thank you very much.

Cheers

I think that now I understood better, it must have been the expression "single service" that misleaded me when I wrote about any girl anywhere.

I think I'll probably come to Germany next year, anyway for sure after my already planned trips, so I have time to gather other infos, and you too, after all it is also your interest.)

I would like to visit a big city (Berlin? Frankfurt?) , easy to reach by plane and with some touristic interests as well, it might be difficult and costly to reach some small cities just for a flat banging experience. I don't know whether Gelsenkirchen has got an airport or not, but I'm pretty sure that Krefeld, Oberhausen and Viersen have not, so I need to find other names and addresses, but I appreheciate a lot the infos you gave me, also for how these clubs work.

Thank you very much.

Cheers

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1321151]As to my searches, I thought that flatrate clubs were different stuff from partytreffs, not part of them. I'm sorry for being stubborn, but if "flatrate" (e. G. 79$) means all included apart AO (99$) and anal (119$) , this is more or less the possible performance you get normally everywhere by any girl![/QUOTE]Hello EastGoing,

Just a few more comments to add to SwingLover's words of wisdom.

In the first instance I would suggest that we move the debate over to the dedicated.

[url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?762-Germany-Partytreff-Clubs]Partytreff forum[/url]

They are lots of threads there on the more popular partytreffs and pauschalclubs and you will get a better idea of their various pros and cons.

Both partytreff's and pauschalclubs are flat rate (i.e. you pay one price and then fuck as much as you want) and as a rough and ready rule all pauschalcubs provide single room service whilst partytreffs are more likely to offer open door action but of course there are exceptions. As SwingLover quite rightly says Saunaclubs are not flat rate clubs although some do flat-rate deals on a periodic or adhoc basis. There are also low cost FKKs which although not flat rate have charges much lower than the big mainstream FKKs and can offer deals around 110 to 120$ for four sessions. Then of course there are the gangbang clubs which are flat rate as well but obviously would not be your cup of tea by the sounds of it.

Undoubtedly North Rhine-Westphalia is the best state in Germany for flat rate clubs and typically you'll find that most of the service providers come from Eastern European countries.

I think that now I understood better, it must have been the expression "single service" that misleaded me when I wrote about any girl anywhere.

I think I'll probably come to Germany next year, anyway for sure after my already planned trips, so I have time to gather other infos, and you too, after all it is also your interest!.)

I would like to visit a big city (Berlin? Frankfurt?) , easy to reach by plane and with some touristic interests as well, it might be difficult and costly to reach some small cities just for a flat banging experience. I don't know whether Gelsenkirchen has got an airport or not, but I'm pretty sure that Krefeld, Oberhausen and Viersen have not, so I need to find other names and addresses, but I appreheciate a lot the infos you gave me, also for how these clubs work.

Thank you very much. Cheers

Hi Dark Vader,

I earlier wrote the lines above to thank SwingerLover for his kind efforts to set light in my darkness, but it seems that the server didn't work, so I'm re-posting it. I'm curious about the 4 sessions for 120-130 $. So carry on.)

As to the providers, as a consumer I know that getting the goods straight from the producer cuts down a lot the cost, in fact I'm. Eastgoing.)

i just found out the partytreff and pauschal thread!

let me explain: when i type isg i go straight down the initial page, where there all the countries, so i see only "germany" and "germany fkk"!

i'm speechless! i think that now i can find out by myself without hassling anymore.

thank you

Hi guys,

As you can see this is my first post, I am going to go to Berlin and after read a lot the forum, thanks to all of you, now I have a better idea to what expect from the bordello and artemis.

Before them (artemis and bordello- KD or VK) I have few question, hoping that you can answer and help.

I will be Sunday, from late afternoon, then Monday and Tuesday for IFA Electronic fair, so I need your suggestions for when is better to go to Artemis.

Is the price of 160 € all inclusive (girl + room) when referred to bordello or shall I pay extra for rent the room, as it seems from VK website price list?

- Is Mercedes at KD good? She seems to provide all services I like, such as deepthroat and A-level, anybody tried?

- At Artemis, who provide Deepthroat?

- Anybody as a direct contact of Lora Gora?

- Suggestion for a good girl to host in my hotel?

- Last but not the least, anybody knows anything about an american girl names AIMMEE DUDEVANT ([url]http://berlin-escort-aimmeedudevant.********.de/[/url]) she seems really open minded but pictures are a bit tricky, seems overweight.

I promess reviews as soon as at home or maybe on the way from the field, as usually I do at Captain.

Thanks in advance for help

[QUOTE=Pupazzo;1322059]I will be Sunday, from late afternoon, then Monday and Tuesday for IFA Electronic fair, so I need your suggestions for when is better to go to Artemis.[/QUOTE]Suggest that you check out the Artemis thread for this info. Plenty has been written on the subject of when to go during the IFA. In particular look for Rocketboy's posts.

[QUOTE=Pupazzo;1322059]Is the price of 160 € all inclusive (girl + room) when referred to bordello or shall I pay extra for rent the room, as it seems from VK website price list?[/QUOTE]The fee includes any room fees. Only thing extra are things like anal etc.

[QUOTE=Pupazzo; 1322059]- Is Mercedes at KD good? She seems to provide all services I like, such as deepthroat and A-level, anybody tried?

- At Artemis, who provide Deepthroat?

- Anybody as a direct contact of Lora Gora?

- Suggestion for a good girl to host in my hotel?

- Last but not the least, anybody knows anything about an american girl names AIMMEE DUDEVANT (

[url]http://berlin-escort-aimmeedudevant.********.de/[/url]

) she seems really open minded but pictures are a bit tricky, seems overweight.[/QUOTE]Can not really speak to this. In any case it would be more productive to ask about Artemis in the Artemis thread.

As for Aimmee-rather you than me is all I can say. There is better out there that's for sure.

If she is around when you are you might try this girl.

[url]http://www.kaufmich.com/lilou[/url]

Deep throat, good service and makes house calls I believe. Only thing is she only visits Berlin every few months, next time in October I believe.

AM

Interesting report in the Budapest section.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?692-Budapest&p=1323721&viewfull=1#post1323721[/url]

Might have implications for anyone thinking of visiting Termingirls at Ratingen, near Duesseldorf Airport.

[url]http://www.termingirls24.de/indexengl.php[/url]

Quite a few of of the Hungarian girls there double-up in the porn industry...

Hi,

I have to go to Heilbronn, for 5 days at the start of November,

Is there any action there?

Is there a red light area similar to the area around the train station in Frankfurt?

Any contacts or Info will be much appreciated.

MB

I was just curious if there is anything worth checking out in Wuppertal?

Since the question has popped up again in the Munich forum and since I'm getting tired of answering the same questions in different threads over and over again, here's the website to have a look at: [url]www.traummaennlein.com/abkuerzungen.htm[/url]

I also explained those abbreviations that was asked about in the Munich thread, as I did with some in the Partytreff Clubs forum too. So you can have a look there too.

I put some info about shuttle bus services from and to airport Frankfurt-Hahn (HHN) into the Trip Planning Tips thread of the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum.

Can anyone explain what these two acronyms mean?

I have a good guess for NS.

Thanks in advance.

[quote=ripple67; 1348207]can anyone explain what these two acronyms mean?

ihave a good guess for ns

tx in advance[/quote]just two posts below yours swingerlover took the trouble of posting a link to a website which will define these two rep001ological terms for you

Hello Fellas.

I'm planning to go somewhere in east europe on 31st eve to have good time, I'm thinking about any one of these countries such as Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania or Latvia. But just one place and not a metro city where there would be lots of foreigners to have same business but any good city with good clubs, beautiful girls to have good time and ofcourse not so many mongers around.

Really need suggestions to have a good trip and some good time.

I'm living in Berlin and if anybody is up for join and make trip together then you are most welcome. Angus I would expect your suggestions as well as you are the best adviser in ISG forum.

[quote=dark vader;1348228]just two posts below yours swingerlover took the trouble of posting a link to a website which will define these two rep001ological terms for you[/quote]sometimes, just sometimes, i wonder why i even bother. this was the 5th or 6th time that i posted this traummaennlein-link on isg, and here it wasn't even buried under more recent posts.

[quote=ripple67;1348207]can anyone explain what these two acronyms mean?[/quote]ns=natursekt (=naturalchampagne, rep002, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url])

kv=kaviar (=[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord137][CodeWord137][/url], shit, rep001, dumping a load on each other)

i reckon you were too stunned by the bienenkorb site to see my post with the traummaennlein-link. now you know where to find it, should you need it again.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1348440]Sometimes, just sometimes, I wonder why I even bother. This was the 5th or 6th time that I posted this Traummaennlein-link on ISG, and here it wasn't even buried under more recent posts.[/QUOTE]I sent a message to Jackson to try to get him to add your useful link for German terms to the abbreviations post. This might held a bit though I imagine people will still ask before looking themselves. It is the nature of the beast. Maybe the internet makes us lazy as a species?

AM

a.

a / p a / p. aktiv, passiv

a2m. anal to mouth, penis o. a. aus dem anus direkt in den mund

ac / dc. bisexuell

af. algerierfranzösisch, wie zungenanal

ag. antwortgarantie

ahf. achselhöhlenfick, sogenanntes "italienisch"

ao. alles ohne, ohne kondom

ast. aftersextalk

at. a tergo, von hinten

aufn. mit aufnahme (des spermas in den mund)

auss. aussehen

av. analverkehr

b.

be. black, schwarz

b. bondage, fesseln und gefesselt werden

b&d. bondage & discipline, fesseln und erziehen

b / d. bondage / discipline, fesseln und erziehen

bbb. bart, bauch, brille, z. b. in wendungen "kein bbb"oder "bbb ok".

bbw. big breasted woman, grossbusige frau, oder big beautiful woman, auch rubensfrau

bd. blinddate

bdsm. bondage (fesselspiele) und sado-maso (schmerzspiele)

beschn. beschnitten, die penisvorhaut ist weg

bff. bauchfaltenfick

bh. bh-größe (körbchengröße)

bhv. bahnhofsviertel

bi. bisexuell (bi-er, bi-sie, bi-mann, bi-frau, bi-party.)

bifi. billigficker, entstanden i'm zusammenhang mit fkk-dumpingpreisen

biz. bizarr

bj. blow job = französisch beim mann, sogen."blasen"

bld. blond

bmb. bitte mit bild

braun-weiß. spiele mit kot und sperma

bs. a) bordsteinschwalbe, mädchen vom strassenstrich be) blood sport (selten) , dem partner kleine schnitte zufügen

btbm. body to body massage

btw. by the way, nebenbei gesagt

bub. brothel utility bag, enthält alles, was willi i'm puff braucht

buko. bumskoffer, bordell-utensilien-koffer

bv. brustverkehr, spanisch

bw. brustwarzen

bw-piercing. brustwarzenpiercing

bw-typ. bundeswehr-typ.

c.

cbt. cock & balls.torture, schwanz- und eier-folter

cd*. chef / in des + kürzel des clubs

coi. coitus interruptus

cr. cock ring, penisring

cun. cunnilingus, lecken der frau i'm scheidenbereich

cys. cybersex, sex aus dem internet.

d.

dd. dildo

dev. devot

dgwe. dreamgirlweekend

dom. dominant

dp. doppelpack, sex mit zwei frauen

ds. dildospiele

dt. deep throat oder auch dirty talk

dw. damenwäsche

dwt. damenwäscheträger (homo- oder heterosexuell)

e.

ec. eroscenter

einz. einzeln / einzelne

el. eierlecken

engl. englisch, züchtigung durch erzieher / in mit rohrstock

erz- you. beh. erziehung und behandlung

erz / erz. erziehung, erziehen, erzogen

exhib. exhibitionistisch.

f.

fa. fingeranal

fe. fusserotik

fel. fellatio, „blasen' des penis

fem. frau, z. b."nur fems", weiblich

ff. a) faustfick be) fussfetisch

fft. a) faustfick total be) fussfetisch total

fist. fisting, faustfick, anal oder vaginal

fk. fahrtkosten

fkk. in verb. mit clubs, girls meist nackt, männer mit handtuch / bademantel

flag. flagellieren, ein wenig hauen

fo / fo. a) französisch ohne, blasen ohne kondom ohne aufnahme be) mittlerweile seltener: französisch optimal, blasen mit aufnahme

fp. französisch pur, blasen natur ohne kondom, ohne aufnahme, bzw. lecken ohne folienschutz

franz. franze. französisch, oralverkehr bei ihm oder ihr

frot. frotteur, lustgewinn durch berührung / reiben z. be in bus oder kaufhaus

fs. a) face sitting, die frau sitzt auf dem gesicht des sex-partners be) falle schieben, den gv vortäuschen

ft. französisch total, i'm sprachgebrauch mittlerweile: blasen ohne kondom mit aufnahme, mit oder ohne schlucken des spermas, je nach absprache

g.

gal. i'm englischen: stute / frau

gb. a) gesichtsbesamung, be) gang-bang

gem. gemeinsam

gf6. girlfriendsex, sex wie mit einer guten freundin, incl. schmusen, küssen usw.

gp. g-punkt

gr. griechisch / analverkehr

gs. gruppensex

gv. geschlechtsverkehr.

h.

he. handentspanung

hengst. (sexuell aktiver) mann, meist in der formulierung "hengst sucht stute"

het. heterosexuell

hh. hobby-hure, nicht hauptberuflich tätige dame des gewerbes, mit leistung gegen entgelt

hiv+. hiv-test positiv, the. h. mit dem hiv-virus infiziert.

hp. homepage

have. handverkehr / masturbation

hwg. häufig wechselnder geschlechtsverkehr.

i.

imho. in my humble opinion / meiner bescheidenen meinung nach

int. /intr. interesse, interessent, interessierte

is. intimschmuck

it. italienisch, der mann "dringt in die achselhöhle ein"

j.

j. jahre.

k.

kb. körperbesamung

kf. konfektionsgröße.

kfi. keine finanziellen interessen

kkf. kniekehlenfick

ks. kuschelsex

kv. kaviar

l.

lg. lang

lt. liebestechnik.

m.

ml. morgenlatte

mmf. male + male + female. 2 männer und 1 frau. beliebige kombinationen möglich.

mnl. männlich

mod. moderator, ehrenamtl. mitarbeiter eines forums

mww 1 mann und 2 frauen. beliebige kombinationen: mm (2 männer) , ww (2 frauen) , mw (1 mann. 1 frau) , mmm (3 männer) , mmw (2 männer 1 frau)

n.

ne. necking, liebesspiele oberhalb der gürtellinie

nr. nichtraucher

ns. natursekt (urin)

nt. nichttrinker.

o.

öm. ölmassage, russisch

ons. one night stand, nur einmal sex mit dem partner

ov. oralverkehr

ow. oberweite

p.

pg / s. puffgänger, jemand der häufig käuflichen sex in anspruch nimmt.

pp. poppers (you. a. schwulenszene) , nitritverbindung die geschnüffelt wird um die sex. erregung zu intensivieren / stimulieren, urspr. ein kreislauf / herz. medikament

pps. park-platz-sex

pst. pre (also: vor). sex. talk. lockeres gespräch vor dem akt

pt. a) partnertausch be) petting (selten)

pv. a) partnervermittlung be) pornovideo.

q.

qu. quicki, spontane nummer, fälschlicherweise auch oft als schnellfick bezeichnet.

r.

ras. rasiert, the. h. rasiert i'm intimbereich

ro. read only, nur leser (. des forums)

rp. rückporto

rrr. rein-raus-runter: gegenteil von langem anspruchvollem sex.

rs. rollenspiele

rus. russische massage, ölmassage.

s.

safe. geschützt. geschlechtsverkehr nur mit kondom, evt. noch französisch natur ohne abspritzen

sb. snowballing, sperma von mund zu mund weitergeben

sc. swinger club

schl. schlank

sm. sado. maso

spzk. spermazungenküsse

ss. samen / sperma schlucken.

std. sexual transmitted deseases, sexuell übertragbare krankheiten

stud. i'm englischen: hengst / mann

stute. (willige) frau oder in der schwulenszene passiver mann

süd. samenüberdruck

sük. sexuell übertragbare krankheiten

sw. sandwich (1 frau. 2 männer)

sw. swallowing, schlucken

t.

ta. topact

tabulos. so ziemlich allem gegenüber aufgeschlossen, heisst aber nicht unbedingt "alles ohne kondom"

tf. tittenfick, spanisch

tg. taschengeld

thaim. thaimassage, massage des mannes mit oberkörper und vulva

toil. sex. toiletten sex, oberbegriff füare kv und ns.

tr. transe, trannie, transsexueller

ts. transsexuell

tt. titten-trimming, brustwarzen-massage, brustwarzen-kneifen.

tv. transvestit.

u.

uner. unerfahren

unk. unkosten (was aber schwachsinn ist, es gibt nur kosten, keine unkosten)

v.

ve. verbalerotik, in derber obszöner weise über sex sprechen, vgl. auch dt (dirty talk)

vg. vaginaler geschlechtsverkehr

vo. voyeur, voyeurismus, heimliches beobachten zwecks sexueller erregung

vorh. vorhanden.

w.

wl. wetlook, die kunst, angezogen wie ausgezogen zu wirken, zb. lack, leder, gummi, latex

ws. wassersport, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url], urinspiele, pinkelspiele

wx. wichsen, masturbation, gegenseitig oder dabei einander zuschauen.

x.

xl. extra large, sehr gross

xxl. extra extra large, wirklich (sehr) groß (penis / brüste / bauch)

z.

za. zungenanal

zk / zks. zungenkuss / zungenküsse

[QUOTE=Thomas Jefferson; 1348508]Be. Black, schwarz

DP. Doppelpack, Sex mit zwei Frauen

PP. Poppers (you. A. Schwulenszene) , Nitritverbindung die geschnüffelt wird um die sex. Erregung zu intensivieren / stimulieren, urspr. Ein Kreislauf / Herz. Medikament[/QUOTE]I disagree with those three!

Not that PP for Poppers might be wrong in the gay scene (I know nothing about that.) but I know PP only as short for ParkPlatz, ParkingPlace. As in PPS or PP6 for ParkPlatzSex.

DP is for Doppelte Penetration / Double Penetration. Regardless if it's two dicks, two dildos or two hands in one pussy or ass, it's always two men with only one woman. (Except in the gay scene of course.) I never encountered this "Doppelpack"-DP anywhere; if there was sex with two women it was always "two for the price of one" or FFM (= female, female, male; Frau, Frau, Mann) or WWM (weiblich, weiblich, männlich. Not to be confused with the use of FFM and WWM outside the sex abbreviations area, here it wiil mean "FrankFurt am Main" and "Wer Wird Millionäare?").

And I guess "Be." for black is either just a typo and you meant to write "Bl." or it is again one of the forums stupid spelling corrections (where there are no mistakes in the first place) and you only wrote the 2nd letter of the alphabet with a dot behind it and the forum changed it into "be" the way it changes the 3rd letter into "see" and the 4th into "the" and the 21st into "you". Not to mention the little word consisting of an I and an M which is changed into "I'm". Like "Sex I'm Barraum". And just at the end of the last paragraph, it turned the 18th letter (after the "ä") into an "are". If I were to explain the abbreviation for PostLeitZahl (= ZIP-code) , the forum would turn it into "please". Is there no way to stop those senseless spelling dis-corrections?

All in all, your list took up a lot of space with very little text; it might have been better to put the abbreviations in one single line (and therefore paragraph) for each letter. It was also not necessary to add the english abbreviations, since there's a list of those provided by the forum already. And how all the non-german-speakers will handle all the german explanations with no translation is another question. On the other hand, the list explains a lot of common stuff like BBB (beard, belly, glasses=Brille) that might not be on the Traummaennlein list, and there was even some stuff on it I didn't know yet myself. (Oops, BBB IS on the Traummaennlein-list, but "Bld." or "bl." for "blonde" for instance is not.) The problem is that as soon as this list gets buried under following reports, the questions might start again. That's where the complexity of the list and all the wasted space might become helpful: It will be easier to find it again!

Finally, to get the Traummaennlein link back up again: [url]www.traummaennlein.com/abkuerzungen.htm[/url]

I was wondering if dashboard cameras are legal in Europe (specifically Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, and Switzerland).

[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1354887]I was wondering if dashboard cameras are legal in Europe (specifically Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, and Switzerland).[/QUOTE]You may not film any people or take their picture without their concent in Germany. As far as filming only the landscape I don't know. But if some people should get caught on film, you would have to get their concent first.

I think my memory is fading. Part of the aging process I guess. But I can't remember the popular German website used by girls all over German to post their ads, As I recall, the ads categories were set up by state / laender. I thought it was escorts. De or escortgirls. De, but I can't remember for sure. Any help would be appreciated. Also, whatever happened to yl69. De? Thanks,

[QUOTE=Expresso Jim;1373047]I think my memory is fading. Part of the aging process I guess. But I can't remember the popular German website used by girls all over German to post their ads, As I recall, the ads categories were set up by state / laender. I thought it was escorts. De or escortgirls. De, but I can't remember for sure. Any help would be appreciated. Also, whatever happened to yl69. De? Thanks,[/QUOTE]I havn't found something with escorts, but maybe try this one:

[url]http://www.ladies.de/Home[/url]

It is sorted by federal states and even cities.

And it got several sub sides with direct link to regions of cities such as [url]www.niedersachsenladies.de[/url], [url]www.[/url] Hannoverladies. De.

There is also a direct access to a page with ladies from Asia: [url]www.asialadies.de[/url]

Happy searching!

[url]www.kontakt24.de[/url] (Searches by city or ZIP.)

[url]www.6relax.de[/url] (Searches by regions.)

[url]www.kaufmich.com[/url] (Here you have to register for free in order to search.)

Advertising sites: [url]www.fickanzeigen.net[/url] [url]www.fickreklame.com[/url]

[url]www.ladies.de[/url] Is also useful and easy to use.

I also like [url]http://www.1night-kontakt.de/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi[/url]

Mongers,

What do you know of this place in Cologne. They claim teenage girls (18+).

Whats the line up like?

How many girls?

Cheers.

Phillip

I just put a report into the Berlin thread (since it's come up there) which might be of general interest. It's about how to quote only part of a post here on ISG, also about how to get an URL to work properly when it's put in only after editing an already uploaded report. If interested, look here:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1376715&viewfull=1#post1376715[/url]

I am from North America and pretty much have USA & Canadian bra sizes memorized. But, when I travel to Europe, I see ads in which the girls list their bra size as something like "75B". I have no idea what that means. I suspect I'm not alone among guys who travel both ways. I found a website that has an easy-to-read table. It turns out there are lots of different bra and cup sizes around the world.

The chart is here: [url]http://www.breasttalk.co.uk/size_charts.aspx[/url]

Height and weight comparison are easy:

1KG = 2. 2 pounds (So, a lady who says she weighs 55 kilos weighs 121 pounds.)

1CM = 2. 54 inches (So, a lady claiming to be 180cm tall is about 71 inches tall or 5 ft 11 inches)

Hope this helps!

I have noticed during the many months that I have been a member of this forum that some of the more accomplished writers on here have mentioned that they have spent a significant amount of time mongering in other countries for example Thailand and the Philippines. They might say 'I have just come back from a 3 week tour of Thailand and I spent a x load amount of money so can't go to Germany for a while'.

I am quite interested in finding out more information on the scene in other countries however if I look through the threads of some of these countries, I find that trip reports from the chief writers on here who may also have visited these countries do not feature.

I was just wondering whether these board members have made a conscious decision not to talk about these other countries or find it more interesting to talk about the mongering scene in Germany instead.

There definitely seems to be a lot more 'flaming' of other posters in these other country threads than in the Germany threads so that might be the reason?

Myrrh,

I'd think it's much easier to discuss in Germany's threads because in Germany the sex offer is clear, well structured, with names, addresses, price lists, photos, etc. About internet sites, clubs, brothels, FKKs, RLDs, etc. Everything is legal and easily available, and you may discuss ages about going to the same club someone else has been. If you make a rough count, you'll notice that the majority of members, especially those having hundreds or thousands of posts in Germany's threads, didn't make those numbers with actual reports of sex, but mostly with comments, questions, answers, etc. I myself wrote many posts in Germany's threads, but only 4 were actually about P4P "events", the rest are mostly for infos from those who have already been somewhere and know about. I've been in the Philippines many years ago, I'm not updated nor I read those threads, but down there the offer is so overwhelming and not "structured" like in Germany that probably would be of little help trying to describe where you have been (you probably won't be able to say something like "in Artemis", you could have been anywhere even only on the road) , with what girl (how would you track her back, also to westerners' eyes more or less they look very similar, no blondes, no blu-eyed, etc.) , for how much (prices are not necessarily listed on a menu) , for how long, etc, even though there are roughly set prices and performances. Hope I've been clear enough

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1402322]I'd think it's much easier to discuss in Germany's threads because in Germany the sex offer is clear, well structured, with names, addresses, price lists, photos, etc. About internet sites, clubs, brothels, FKKs, RLDs, etc. Everything is legal and easily available, and you may discuss ages about going to the same club someone else has been.

I've been in the Philippines many years ago, I'm not updated nor I read those threads, but down there the offer is so overwhelming and not "structured" like in Germany that probably would be of little help trying to describe where you have been (you probably won't be able to say something like "in Artemis", you could have been anywhere even only on the road) , with what girl (how would you track her back, also to westerners' eyes more or less they look very similar, no blondes, no blu-eyed, etc.) , for how much (prices are not necessarily listed on a menu) , for how long, etc, even though there are roughly set prices and performances.[/QUOTE]Another aspect might be that there are probably dozens of other forums providing information about the scene in Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, etc but outside of the the ones written in German there are very few which provide information about the German scene so comprehensively as this forum.

If you have a trip report to write about Germany then this is by far and away the best forum that there is for it. You can be sure that your best piece of work appears on the best forum.

However if you write about your experiences in the Thailand or Philippines then there are at least half a dozen forums which covers this just as well. Which one do you choose?

But I still think my original point stands that senior writers on here know they can write their reports in a space which will be free from the senseless derogatory comments that seem to clutter some other forums.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1404711]But I still think my original point stands that senior writers on here know they can write their reports in a space which will be free from the senseless derogatory comments that seem to clutter some other forums.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right. I ran screaming from Poppen.de because of the bullshit comments on the forum, as well as the tons of fakes that were on there. Aside from this little stray, I wrote, read, write and read exclusively on ISG.

Since the question about what a "Luder" is has popped up in 3 different threads lately, here's the answer as a General Info:

According to [url]www.leo.org[/url] "Luder" translates as "hussy" or "minx" (a cunning or coquettish girl) and also as "biatch" in offensive Amarican slang. The original meaning of the term seems to be "bait", as in hunting animals, in a sense of carrion / bugger / sod.

So a Spermaluder would be a "Cumbitch" (as in Jessy Cumbitch) and an AO-Luder a Bareback-hussy or a BarebackSlut (as it says in capitol letters on one on Creampie-Ronja's T-Shirts).

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1404735]Since the question about what a "Luder" is has popped up in 3 different threads lately, here's the answer as a General Info:

According to.

[url]www.leo.org[/url]

"Luder" translates as "hussy" or "minx" (a cunning or coquettish girl) and also as "biatch" in offensive Amarican slang. The original meaning of the term seems to be "bait", as in hunting animals, in a sense of carrion / bugger / sod.

So a Spermaluder would be a "Cumbitch" (as in Jessy Cumbitch) and an AO-Luder a Bareback-hussy or a BarebackSlut (as it says in capitol letters on one on Creampie-Ronja's T-Shirts).[/QUOTE]SL, usually just understood as 'bitchh'.

For example, 'geiles Luder' would translate as 'horny bitchh' to most.

'Slutt' is more likely to be parlayed as 'Schlampe', I believe...

[QUOTE=Max #01; 1387878]I am from North America and pretty much have USA & Canadian bra sizes memorized. But, when I travel to Europe, I see ads in which the girls list their bra size as something like "75B". I have no idea what that means. I suspect I'm not alone among guys who travel both ways. I found a website that has an easy-to-read table. It turns out there are lots of different bra and cup sizes around the world.
[/QUOTE]

The European one (used in Germany) is pretty straightforward. The number is the circumference in centimetres BELOW the breasts. (In the US, a 36-inch bust refers to the circumference INCLUDING the breasts.) AA means that the circumference WITH the breast is 11 cm more, A 13, B 15 etc. Thus 75B is 75 cm below the breasts. 90 (about 36 inches) including them. My wife has 85G.

[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1407545]SL, usually just understood as 'bitchh'.

For example, 'geiles Luder' would translate as 'horny bitchh' to most.

'Slutt' is more likely to be parlayed as 'Schlampe', I believe.[/QUOTE]Yes, you're right. GeilesLuder = hornyBitch, or as Leo translated it in American slang: biatch. I was also getting more into the literal translation. But your understanding is correct. And there are overlaps with the literal translations. I too would translateSlut as Schlampe. But Leo gives us biatch andSlut as translation for Schlampe, translates biatch andBitch as Luder, Nutte and Schlampe, and gives us Nutte and Schlampe as translation forSlut. So terms are somewhat interchangeable. Only whenBitch is used in the sense of "bitching about something" it definitely translates as "Zicke". Which zoological translates as "nanny goat" whereas aBitch would be a female dog. So different languages, different types of animals to describe the same thing. And if a woman is "zickig" then it means she's bitchy or catty.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1407773]And if a woman is "zickig" then it means she's bitchy or catty.[/QUOTE]Quite often, in my experience, SL!

Changing money at the Frankfurt airport was a rip. .14 spread either side of the actual exchange rate to buy or sell. I was told the banks are worse although I didn't check that directly myself. Best to bring Euros to Europe I think rather than getting them here.

There is quite a number of legal holidays (Gesetzlicher Feiertag) in Germany in May. No idea if or how this will affect clubs and parties and P4P, but one should keep the holiday-situation in mind:

WED 1st: Labour Day. Legal holiday in Germany.

THU 9th: Ascension Day. Legal holiday in Germany.

MON 20th: Whit Monday. Legal holiday in Germany.

THU 30th: Feast of Corpus Christi. Legal holiday in the southern part of Germany.

All the German holidays during the year 2013 can be found here: [url]http://www.schnelle-online.info/Feiertage/Feiertage-2013.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Optimist; 1373292][url]www.ladies.de[/url]

Is also useful and easy to use.

I also like.

[url]http://www.1night-kontakt.de/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi[/url][/QUOTE]Hello,

I am new to Germany and found this website "ladies. De" and it shows a few houses in my area where it seems like a red light district concealed in an apartment building. What are the rules here? If I go to the building, ring inside, then walk door to door looking for the girl I saw online or whoever is available? Tried to search for a beginners guide here but haven't found anything.

I'm off to Berlin next week for 4 days. I have an unlocked samsung Galaxy s3.

What is currently the best DATA sim that will give me 200mb or so per day, or maybe 1 gb total?

Where can I buy it?

How much?

Easy registration?

I like having my phone online when I'm out and about. Yes I have wifi in the hotel but I want to be constantly connected online when I'm out and about, and I hate paying roaming charges.

Yes I know its been asked before but these things change and I would like the latest info.

Thanks WK.

you need 200mb per day? that's a very heavy usage (6gb per month). you can buy the sim at most phone shops. i got mine from a store around fra hbf. it's from blauworld company. the sim came with 10e credit and i added some data plan at the time. 9.99e. the store charged me 30e. (so 10e extra). it has different type of data plan i. e.

100mb. 5e / 30 days.

250mb. 7.9e / 30 days.

750mb. 9.9e / 30 days.

if you reached the limit, the speed change from 3g to gprs. you can't buy it online since it needs germany address. i guess that's when the phone store charge the overhead. see more info from their site:

[url]http://www.blauworld.de/?locale=en[/url]

[QUOTE=BadinSweet;1425959]You need 200MB per day? That's a very heavy usage (6GB per month). You can buy the SIM at most phone shops. I got mine from a store around FRA Hbf. It's from Blauworld company. The SIM came with 10E credit and I added some data plan at the time. 9.99E. The store charged me 30E. (so 10E extra). It has different type of data plan I. E.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply there man.

A little off toppic here, but I have to point out what I found on TV lately: Via Astra satellite one can receive a channel called ETV-Show (EroticTV) where a bunch of girls can be called or SMSed and grant some wishes of the viewers, in the softsex department. This only gets interesting after 23:00. Because then the clothes come off and they are stark naked a lot of the time. Also some fondling, oiling each other, watching them shower and such going on. Boring sometimes when no one calls, excellent entertainment at other times, as far as softsex goes. I must admit I'm pretty fascinated watching them. The perfect thing to watch if you can't sleep or to chill out after a party. My favourites are Irra and Nancy. You just have to check this out, I think it's hilarious! I'm just watching some of it while writing this post here, since it's also available online: [url]http://www.etvshow.com/?action=sms&w=1[/url]

Right now Nancy is spanking some other girls butt. And some naked pussies were also shown already, although only the softsex-way, with closed legs and girls standing up.

Has anyone heard of Spremafreunde (dot) de? I have tried to access their pictures / videos but in order to get on the website you must use XCHECK and in order to use XCHECK you must be from Europe and I am from the USA.

If anyone is a member or has videos let me know because I will happily pay to upgrade my membership and yours at this forum and contact you.

I assume you made a typo and mean "Spermafreunde" from Munich. Well, I don't know them, I only have them on my Party-maps and list them in the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread of the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum here on ISG because one can participate in their filmed bareback parties too. [url]http://www.spermafreunde.de/content/view/2/9/[/url]

What did you try to access?"Life bei uns!" or "Für Erwachsene"? For the first, you only need to wait until 23:00 CET, then you can watch those pictures. Complyant with some silly German youthprotection laws, those pics can only be shown between 23:00 and 6:00. At other times you need to register with your ID-card number, which I suppose will work only for Germans.

For the "Für Erwachsene" section, you need the X-check registration. But I can't quite believe that it isn't possible to get X-Check in the USA. Just contact them by mail or phone and ask. Look here and use the mailadress or phone number on the right: [url]http://www.x-check.de/signOn/anmeldung.html?PHPSESSID=52961880d18429d20803ad9dc55e1615005000016172&websiteID=301544[/url]

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1429148]I assume you made a typo and mean "Spermafreunde" from Munich. Well, I don't know them, I only have them on my Party-maps and list them in the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread of the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum here on ISG because one can participate in their filmed bareback parties too.

[url]http://www.spermafreunde.de/content/view/2/9/[/url]

What did you try to access?"Life bei uns!" or "Füare Erwachsene"? For the first, you only need to wait until 23:00 CET, then you can watch those pictures. Complyant with some silly German youthprotection laws, those pics can only be shown between 23:00 and 6:00. At other times you need to register with your I'd-card number, which I suppose will work only for Germans.

For the "Füare Erwachsene" section, you need the X-check registration. But I can't quite believe that it isn't possible to get X-Check in the USA. Just contact them by mail or phone and ask. Look here and use the mailadress or phone number on the right:

[url]http://www.x-check.de/signOn/anmeldung.html?PHPSESSID=52961880d18429d20803ad9dc55e1615005000016172&websiteID=301544[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply, I really do appreciate it. I have contacted both XCHECK and the Spermafreunde website owner. Unfortanetly, they both told me there is no way around it. If you click on "I am from a non EU state" on the options it says there is no way around the system. I am really, really bummed about the situation. The spermafreunde owner said that they may consider moving their servers to a new location so they don't have to use XCHECK but for the time being they have no way around it.

There are a lot of Americans like myself who are big AO fans and other than GB01. De and SpermaStudio no one else makes authentic, german AO videos on the internet so when I found this website I was very excited to find some new videos but with this xcheck in my way it seems there is nothing I can do.

If anyone is a member or is willing to join the website to access the videos please reply in this thread because I would be more than happy to pay to upgrade not only my membership on this website but I would pay for yours as well!

[quote=svenfkk;1407686]the european one (used in germany) is pretty straightforward. the number is the circumference in centimetres below the breasts. (in the us, a 36-inch bust refers to the circumference including the breasts.) aa means that the circumference with the breast is 11 cm more, a 13, b 15 etc. thus 75b is 75 cm below the breasts. 90 (about 36 inches) including them. my wife has 85g.[/quote]more simple: the letter then means the cup size:

aa = signal lights on a runway.

a = apple.

b = grapefruit.

c = pineapple.

d = honeymelon.

and so on.

g? that lady needs a big ass not to get unbalanced.

enjoy.

[QUOTE=Jacque1280;1429360]If anyone is a member or is willing to join the website to access the videos please reply in this thread because I would be more than happy to pay to upgrade not only my membership on this website but I would pay for yours as well![/QUOTE]So basically you would want someone else to get the X-Check account and then forward the access data to you, while you will refund any cost involved? Sounds like a plan, but will most likely not work. If you register, you are required to NOT give your PIN to anyone else. So if I would get an access for you and you would access it from America, then they would propably notice that someone else is using my account and would close it down. So I guess you have to forget about Spermafreunde for now, but you are not necessarily stuck with only GB01 and Spermastudio. Genuine AO-vids are also available from:

[url]http://melaniemoon.net/index.php?site=1[/url]

[url]http://www.spassfucktor.com/ueberuns.php[/url]

[url]http://www.sexynatalie.tv/frameset.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1429571]So basically you would want someone else to get the X-Check account and then forward the access data to you, while you will refund any cost involved? Sounds like a plan, but will most likely not work. If you register, you are required to NOT give your PIN to anyone else. So if I would get an access for you and you would access it from America, then they would propably notice that someone else is using my account and would close it down. So I guess you have to forget about Spermafreunde for now, but you are not necessarily stuck with only GB01 and Spermastudio. Genuine AO-vids are also available from:

[url]http://melaniemoon.net/index.php?site=1[/url]

[url]http://www.spassfucktor.com/ueberuns.php[/url]

[url]http://www.sexynatalie.tv/frameset.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for your apply it is much appreciated.

My plan was actually to have someone join the site, download the videos / pictures and then upload them somewhere else which essentially gets around the IP issue.

I have all of creampie ronja's videos and I have plenty of melanie moon and natalie as well since they are both featured on Spermastudio and GB01.

And yes I would pay any and all costs associated including xcheck, joining this website and as well as spermafreunde too.

Jacque

I'll be in Munich shortly & will have a few days free to monger. I've researched Munich in these forums & know what's available there. Would I be better off traveling to Frankfurt, Nuremberg, or elsewhere? I know Berlin would be best but its probably too far.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

Jack

[QUOTE=BadinSweet;1425959]You need 200MB per day? That's a very heavy usage (6GB per month). You can buy the SIM at most phone shops. I got mine from a store around FRA Hbf. It's from Blauworld company. The SIM came with 10E credit and I added some data plan at the time. 9.99E. The store charged me 30E. (so 10E extra). It has different type of data plan I. E.[/QUOTE]Following on the advice of BadinSweet, I went looking for a Blauworld card, and the guy in the shop wanted to charge me a total of €25 for a card and Igb data plus some call time and SMS messages. I told him I would think about it.

I only wanted a Data package to have my unlocked phone connected to the Internet permanently and I hate paying roaming charges. Also its great to be connected and not have to deal with calls and sms from at home, which I would if I was roaming.

Went into an O2 shop and was able to a buy a 1GB DATA sim that lasts one week only for €10. Absolutely perfect for my needs. The guy in the shop set it up and it took around 20 mins for my card to become active.

This card worked out really great, and I was able to use my phone on the downtime in Erlebniswohnung GangBang Club, where there isn't WIFI. Also in small bars and cafes that don't have WIFI, and on public transport etc.

The card is valid for 6 months, but actually it costs €15 for additional 1GB, so cheaper to get a new card.

On a short two day trip I probably wouldn't bother but on a 4 day plus trip where I might take a day off from sex, I would certainly buy this card again.

[QUOTE=Wanking; 1430651]Went into an O2 shop and was able to a buy a 1GB DATA sim that lasts one week only for €10. Absolutely perfect for my needs. The guy in the shop set it up and it took around 20 mins for my card to become active.

This card worked out really great, and I was able to use my phone on the downtime in Erlebniswohnung GangBang Club, where there isn't WIFI. Also in small bars and cafes that don't have WIFI, and on public transport etc.[/QUOTE]Cool.

Thanks for the info Wanking. Might get one for the Ipad. I have a plan where data roaming is free throughout europe (only 500mb / month) but if I use it in tethering to connect the ipad I pay 7euros a day, for 150mb I think.

Kimino

[QUOTE=Jnimble;1430206]I'll be in Munich shortly & will have a few days free to monger. I've researched Munich in these forums & know what's available there. Would I be better off traveling to Frankfurt, Nuremberg, or elsewhere? I know Berlin would be best but its probably too far.[/QUOTE]Of course it would be better to go to Frankfurt. All places in Bavaria (including Munich and Nuremberg) are expensive and quite bad. There is a law enforced in Bavaria that prohibits any sex without condom (in Pay6 of course). Compared to Munich Frankfurt is paradise. Go to FKK World, Oase, Mainhattan or Sharks (Darmstadt, Close to Frankfurt)

Mat,

Thanks for the info. Looks like Frankfurt would be about 8 hrs round trip, so I may not find the time to get up there but at least I know what to do if I find myself with the opportunity. I'll report how it goes.

Regards,

Jack

[QUOTE=Mat the Rat;1430772]Of course it would be better to go to Frankfurt. All places in Bavaria (including Munich and Nuremberg) are expensive and quite bad. There is a law enforced in Bavaria that prohibits any sex without condom (in Pay6 of course). Compared to Munich Frankfurt is paradise. Go to FKK World, Oase, Mainhattan or Sharks (Darmstadt, Close to Frankfurt)[/QUOTE]

Out of curiosity. Can anyone local say anything about how has the flood affected the road-network in Germany? Is getting around a problem?

If there should be any problem, then it will only be in the flooded areas, meaning in Bavaria, eastern Germany regions and maybe along the Elbe-river. But I doubt that any Autobahn or major road is affected outside those areas. So you should be okay.

sorry double post.

Frankfurt or Berlin. Which is better? Solely for the purposes of pursuing ladies for 2 nights, which is better for the quality and the value?

I have 2 nights to spend in either one of these 2 cities. I have been to both before, but not for these purposes. I only care about their value in terms of the 'scene. '

Feel free to PM me or Post here if you can offer tips!

Thank you for the advice!

I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I will be visiting Ravensburg in a few months and I had no idea that prostitution was legal in Germany! I was hoping to visit a brothel or two before reaching my final destination. Are there any Brothels on the way to Ravensburg that cater to English speaking tourist? I will do my best to learn a few phrases in German, but I doubt I will be able to do much with it. I would really appreciate if someone could tell me there's a brothel in Ravensburg that has english speaking women in it. I'm on a budget so any info for a budget traveler would be welcome. I won't have a hotel room available to me to bring women back so it would have to be at a different location. I'm quite active on the USG board, but I don't get to travel abroad much. Can anyone point me in the right direction to research this myself? Or offer any suggestions?

Also, any travel tips on the best way to get to Ravensburg would be great. Is the water safe to drink there? Etc?

Curious what the difference is between a Sauna Club and a FKK. I will be staying in Cologne for one day and am trying to decide if I should spend my time at Pascha (which is going to be the closest option to me) or if I should go to an FKK or Sauna Club.

Basically there is no difference except that at an FKK all girls should have to be naked. (FKK = FreiKörperKultur = "free-body culture" = nudism)

So the real FKKs are basically SaunaClubs too. Unfortunately there are some places that still call themselves FKKs, despite the women being clothed; however sparseley clothed. The ones I definitely know to have all-naked girls all the time are Oase Burgholzhausen and FKK Arabella in Bochum.

Read up in the Germany FKK-Clubs forum for details and additional info.

[QUOTE=John Firkin;1464676]Curious what the difference is between a Sauna Club and a FKK. I will be staying in Cologne for one day and am trying to decide if I should spend my time at Pascha (which is going to be the closest option to me) or if I should go to an FKK or Sauna Club.[/QUOTE]In Cologne I would go to Samya; a Sauna Club with the girls in bikini's / lingerie (though some maybe topless).

[QUOTE=John Firkin;1464676]Curious what the difference is between a Sauna Club and a FKK. I will be staying in Cologne for one day and am trying to decide if I should spend my time at Pascha (which is going to be the closest option to me) or if I should go to an FKK or Sauna Club.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you just have to laugh.

After the entirely new branch created for the sole purpose of debating, defining and categorising the various clubs and differences therein, we get this posted here.

Kudos to SL for his patience and Jackson for his tolerance.

I usually read the Partytreff forums. A few times there are pornostars visiting theese places but not regurarly. I was wondering if there is any other way to arrange an appointment with a pornostart for a private session? Is there any dedicated discussion about apartments or escorts, only related to pornostars?

[QUOTE=Kapoios;1466485]I was wondering if there is any other way to arrange an appointment with a pornostart for a private session?[/QUOTE]Sure there is. Just contact them via their websites. For instance:

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