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There use to be a lot of 18-19 year old streetwalkers here. Are they still around? I use to stay near the airport and hit the stripclubs there. There was no pressure at all there. Any changes?
Yes the strip clubs in Mississauga area (where airport is) are great as are the nude-reverse massage places.
I have an extensive reserach report especially helpful for those new to Toronto at http://www.sexworktoronto.com
The Morality Police vs Common Sense Sexwork Article
In Toronto of course not the U.S. where police use no common sense when going after consenting adult sexworkers.
Source: globe & mail editorial: the legality of escorts advertising in newspapers/yellowpages
The importance of being earnest and doing nothing
Tolerance May Be Best Policy
Monday, April 22, 2002 - Print Edition, Page A11
The morality squads of the nation stir from time to time, raised from their appropriate torpor by the scent of exploitable outrage or affronts to official decency.
This month, it is the "discovery" that many escort agencies are agents of prostitution: "On the face of it, escort services are legal enterprises unless they're offering more than just the escort," says one Toronto police officer after arresting 12 people for "living off the avails." Their crime was not the provision of sexual services for money, which is quite legal in Canada. It was managing a business to do so.
The personal columns of the interesting publications in Canada are chock full of explicit ads by prostitutes offering the illusion of affection and the promise of release.
These ads and what they deliver are quite legal for three reasons:
(1) They are placed by self-employed individuals. No one manages their work or shares in their revenue, so no one is living off the "avails" of prostitution -- a criminal offence.
(2) The self-employed sex worker offers nothing but home delivery. The act of sexual commerce is not habitually concluded in the same place. Thus, we avoid the Criminal Code's prohibition on "keeping a common bawdy house" -- defined by a place regularly used for commercial physical gratification or acts of "gross indecency" (another can of worms).
(3) The ads are placed in paper or electronic publications that do not qualify as a "public place" when it comes to soliciting. Soliciting is a crime only when it scares the horses, slows traffic, threatens property values or otherwise gets up the noses of tourists or the bourgeoisie. Soliciting in public is a portentous crime; soliciting in the classified ads is a legal convenience.
The escort services that fatten the ad budgets of the Yellow Pages and colourful journals risk the attention of morality squads because of their structure: These businesses are managed, which means that the executives of those that provide prostitutes "live off the avails." It doesn't matter that the businesses may be well-managed, or that the sex workers may be safer or better cared for there. If the police are stirred from their torpor in these cases, it is an easy hit under the Criminal Code.
To be fair, the police may prefer to ignore these realities, accepting how constructively hypocritical they really are. But then someone comes along and lays a complaint, and what are the police to do -- especially if it involves a minor? Attention must be paid and then, we hope, the importance of seeming earnest and doing nothing returns, and the business of adult prostitution is left to serve the public comme d'habitude.
This is one of these cases where hypocrisy may be better than reform in dealing with public policy and social change. Because prostitution itself is legal, the Criminal Code regulates it through various prohibitions -- no public soliciting, no managing, no habitual locale, no recruitment, no minors. Observe the rules and it's full steam ahead. Offend the least sensible rules -- living off the avails -- while running an otherwise admirable operation, and the police will generally let you be.
The alternatives are either messy amendments to the Criminal Code that require MPs to vote for a liberalized sex trade, or appeals to the courts under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, claiming affronts to freedom of expression or such. The first is unrealistic, and the second is improbable, so official tolerance is the best option, with all the risks of arbitrary enforcement of the law that this implies.
There is a parallel in the application of laws against marijuana use, though the police remain oddly more vigilant on this file than they do on commercial sex. You assume you can relax in enjoying a joint or two at a weekend party, secure in the assumption that the police have grown tired of pretending that the Criminal Code should apply to this, whatever its formal status. Yet, many Canadians are still dragged before criminal courts for simple marijuana possession, clouding their futures with silly convictions at ridiculous cost. If we cannot insist on more hypocrisy in the application of this law, it might actually have to be changed.
Discretion is the soul of justice, and sometimes discretion effectively suspends whole sections of law in the face of changing values. Remember how we refused to execute murderers for years out of sheer abhorrence, despite the existence of the death penalty? Now we would do so out of simple humility, given our demonstrated skill in convicting the wrong people.
Ignoring the law can be wiser than enforcing, interpreting or revising it. The same principle applies to many other aspects of life.
Dave in Phoenix
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http://www.sexworktoronto.com
http://www.touchangels.com
http://www.libchrist.com
will be in toronto this week any rec for girl to have overnight in hyatt /am looking for gfe who is openminded to kissing and hugging
white 18-22/ very tall not busty must love to laugh and talk alot & going out to dinner and movie thanks looking for indepedent semi pro not used out agency girl thanks
I visit Toronto about once a year on buisiness, but I always use the massage parlors that seem to be loaded with Polish girls and other refugees from Eastern Europe. These places are great, usually the girls are outside lounging in the waiting room and get right to business in the massage room.
Lots of hot, hot Polish pussy in the Toronto spas.
I haven't noticed too many Poles... but I trip over Romanian and Czech girls regularly... I think hot women must grow on trees in those countries.
Not too sure why any of you would bother with SW's or massage parlours. The cops will sometimes raid a parlour (if someone complains) and if you're found with your dick in a girl then you get busted as a John. Even if they find you in the lobby you'll be charged as a "found in". SW's are known to the area cops and they'll just tag you once she's in the car... money passed or not.
Go to a strip bar, have a beer, get a couple of lap dances from a girl you like, and ask her if she'll head back to your place after work. If she says no then she'll have a friend who'll say yes. If that's too much work then get a copy of Eye Magazine (on every streetcorner) or scope the internet and get her back to your hotel. Don't go to her place though... then you're in a bawdy house.
Prostitution is perfectly legal in Canada... play by the rules and you can fuck to your hearts content.
WOW!! I was staying in Markham on business for a couple of days, so Sunday evening, I decided to make a stop at one of two massage parlors on Woodbine, they are located in a small shopping center on the west side of the street approximately a mile or so from the exit of the 404.
The one I visited was called the Cleopatra Spa. Only one girl working, but she was somewhat hot. I walked in, and sat down, waited for her to emerge from a room where she was with another client.
Boy am I glad I waited!! Before my session started, she told me to "get comfortable", and said it would be $50 for half hour. I asked for an hour, but she said she had an appointment coming in soon, so I agreed on the half hour. So I got nekkid, and she came back and asked if I wanted a massage; I boldly asked if there would be any extras (I always like to be up front), she asked if I was law enforcement, since she'd never seen me before. When I confirmed that I was not, she said that we could have sex, and negotiated $150. In canadian funds, that is a real bargain.
We began to touch each other, she suddenly turned into a passionate goddess. I started to undress her, she had a very nice body, about 6-7, very good looks, about 7-8 and great personality, definitely a 10. Her enthusiam was a 10 as well. She was a Russian girl and I never did get her name (shame on me). We started to kiss lightly, and there was a whole lot of touching and body to body contact. And she seemed to really be into it.
She got onto her knees and gave a very sensous BBBJ. After awhile, I asked if I could taste her, and she quickly agreed, she got up on the little massage table and I went to town. I think she came, sure acted like she did.
Then I said I wanted to fuck her, and she pulled out a condom and rolled it on me. I then turned her around and we did it that way for awhile. We switched positions several times before I finally couldn't hold back anymore.
I ended giving her $200, with the intention of definitely returning. She gave me a kiss and I went on about my way.
I believe she only works one night a week, so I do not know about any other girls there.
Jack,
Nice posting. I am making a trip to Toronto with a friend in about 2 months so it would be great to hear more reviews of massage parlors/ escort services / strip clubs in the Toronto area.
I am a fairly new hobbiest(1 year) and my friend is not. However, knowing his sex drive and the bad experiences he's had with American b**s, i think he might be willing to give it a try.
Any suggestions on "easing" a friend into this hobby? Especially in a place like Canada where the laws are way more lax.
Thanks
Does anyone know where to find asian massage parlors/asian escorts for a decent $?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JackSquat
[i]WOW!! I was staying in Markham on business for a couple of days, so Sunday evening, I decided to make a stop at one of two massage parlors on Woodbine, they are located in a small shopping center on the west side of the street approximately a mile or so from the exit of the 404.
The one I visited was called the Cleopatra Spa. Only one girl working, but she was somewhat hot. I walked in, and sat down, waited for her to emerge from a room where she was with another client.
Boy am I glad I waited!! Before my session started, she told me to "get comfortable", and said it would be $50 for half hour. I asked for an hour, but she said she had an appointment coming in soon, so I agreed on the half hour. So I got nekkid, and she came back and asked if I wanted a massage; I boldly asked if there would be any extras (I always like to be up front), she asked if I was law enforcement, since she'd never seen me before. When I confirmed that I was not, she said that we could have sex, and negotiated $150. In canadian funds, that is a real bargain.
We began to touch each other, she suddenly turned into a passionate goddess. I started to undress her, she had a very nice body, about 6-7, very good looks, about 7-8 and great personality, definitely a 10. Her enthusiam was a 10 as well. She was a Russian girl and I never did get her name (shame on me). We started to kiss lightly, and there was a whole lot of touching and body to body contact. And she seemed to really be into it.
She got onto her knees and gave a very sensous BBBJ. After awhile, I asked if I could taste her, and she quickly agreed, she got up on the little massage table and I went to town. I think she came, sure acted like she did.
Then I said I wanted to fuck her, and she pulled out a condom and rolled it on me. I then turned her around and we did it that way for awhile. We switched positions several times before I finally couldn't hold back anymore.
I ended giving her $200, with the intention of definitely returning. She gave me a kiss and I went on about my way.
I believe she only works one night a week, so I do not know about any other girls there. [/i][/QUOTE]
JackSquat
Your posting is very interesting. try hard to recall name of the gal at cleopatra or some other clue to identify her. i plan to visit her anyday.
I'm going to be in downtown Toronto this week and I was wondering if anyone can reccomend a great MP or escort in the downtown area. Thanks in advance....
Another Research Trip to Toronto!
Dave in Phoenix will be doing another "research" trip for 7 days 6/27/02 - 7/4/02 to update and expand previous trip reports .
Besides updating my very large spreadsheet of who I might see based on reviews I find, If you have read about my "intimacy fetish" from my prior reports on http://www.sexworktoronto.com . I welcome suggestions at dave@davephx.com of who might be great providers (massage or escort) that maybe I should meet. My only limit is I don't go over $CAN200/hr ($US130) for a FS escort. may explore a bit in the Hamilton area. I don't plan on going into Toronto itself or the Eastern GTA. There are so many options on the West side of Toronto (airport area, Mississauga, Brampton etc)
Instead of my usual favorite hotel, Monte Carlo Inn, I tried my luck for fun on priceline.com. I bid $US40/night for a 3-star or better hotel in Mississauga or Airport area. The offer was accepted by Radisson Mississauga to my surprise. On various discount travel boards (I tried about six) their "lowest special guaranteed rate" for the days I wanted was about $US60. So I really did get a good deal via priceline.com.
Instead of my usual America West via Columbus OH to a smaller commuter plane to Toronto, I am going Air Canada non-stop for $US361 RT. I saved about $90 by returning on 7/4/02 which is a slow travel day since for those in the U.S. it is a holiday. Most people travel the day before to get where they are going on the holiday.
I am very much looking forward to once again enjoying the sexual freedoms and option you have in parts of Toronto, there is no comparison in the U.S. or even many other Canadian cities especially for the nude-reverse massages and nude laps I enjoy at some Toronto clubs.
And I apologize for tariffs causing such a trade mess making many Canadians upset with the U.S. I am not a U.S. trade representative :( But I enjoy the sexual freedoms you have in Canada which we do not have in the U.S. when it comes to professional, adult, private sexwork.
Dave in Phoenix
http://www.sexworktoronto.com
http://www.sexwork.com
http://www.touchangels.com
http://www.libchrist.com
I checked all three tracks plus one MP and am giving my report as to what I saw etc...
The upper track (Jarvis and Sherbourn between Carlton and Isabella). I was there after 10:00 p.m. two times and I saw nothing but she males at Wesley between Jarvis and Sherbourn. Not my cup of tea. I did not see any other working girls.
The High Rent district (Carlton and Gerard between Church and Jarvis): There were one or two really good looking sw dressed like in the movies. They were extremely expensive and likely rush and hustle you. If you like that type try Waikiki. Not for me.
The lower track: (Sherbourne and Jarvis between well Carlton and Richmond [and sometimes Parliament street and a few others]) There are some seriously horrible looking skanks out at all hours. However, I was able to find, over the course of a week, four good looking sw.
The first was Alicia 1 who is skinny blond tall and a bit cracked out, but still acceptable. (she is out all the time at Queen). I caught her when she was looking really good, but later in the week she started to look worn out.
Then a day or two later a dark haired thin girl, very good looking, on a stoop on Sherbourn near Dundes. She looked so different from the usual skanks that I passed three times without stopping. I did not catch her name but if you can somehow tell its her, skip her. She doesn't look cracked out but she is and was trying to score. It was also a very poor experience (she also starts to bite she is so fucked up).
Third was a young girl I hope was legal. Very pretty face and cheap. No more details. Passed on a tall thin mulatto blond on Queen since she insisted to have me drive her to buy drugs first. Great legs but I could not risk that. Has a british accent. Also passed on the thin native since this year she looks more cracked out. If there was nothing else however...
Last was the best. Alicia 2, is dark haired, model looking, not very cracked out although she does do it. She stated she does not date much anymore as she lives with a drug dealer. Stunning and good but expensive. She was near Whos on First. When I stopped first I had to go around the block since cracked out sw and pimps started banging on my car.
Called "Friends" but when I asked how many there, was told "a few". When I asked what that means I was rudely told "more than you can handle". Didn't like the attitude but I will try sometime since reviews are good. Also skip 7 Wesley. Only HR and expensive. Could hear a guy in the next room yelling that he should at least get a blow job (kind of funny actually). Also the girls were kind of heavy except the chinese one.
Thats the report.