American Women

Drgn, You do make some good points about child support and marriage. I would pay child support if I had an ex-wife that had MY child because the child is my flesh and blood and I would love my creation with all my heart. But what about those poor souls that pay child support to wives for kids from her previous marriages. That is not the child supporter's flesh and blood and someone else's. I believe that child support should be paid for the husband's own creation not someone else's. Yet it never happens that way. Sometimes the current divorced husband gets the shaft and has to pay it all. Not to mention, the judge might tack on alimony. There is no incentive for men to get married especially with single mothers. This is why most men choose to stay single.
I agree that men who get married for sexual gratification should get slammed. They are asking for it. They fall for the trap of the woman saving themselves for marriage and then the buffoon marries her just to get her in bed. That is the stupidest reason to get married! It only reinforces the male stereotype of being people that think with their small heads. These people give us men bad names.
As far as hooking up, it really depends where you live. For example, the Tri State area of the United States is more racist than other parts of the US. I have a hard time hooking up here in New York than any other parts of the US. In fact the girl I am currently dating is from Michigan and just moved to New York about 2 weeks ago. Usually when I ask a girl born here in this state out, they give me the "I only date guys of my own race" crap. But when this girl said yes, I suspected she wasn't from around here. I asked where she was from and she was from Lansing, Michigan. There is almost no race mixing in New York or most parts of the Northeastern United States, especially Boston. They were taught that they could be friends with people of other races but can't date or marry them or else they get disowned. Also, women in New York wouldn't date shorter men who are balding. But these guys have a shot in foreign countries where the men abuse them and they are taught to be submissive. The caring but short and bald geek would have a great shot in Europe or South America because they are more attracted to sensitive men than American women could ever be. The sensitive geek is a prize compared to the abusive men in those countries.

Darkseid

[QUOTE]Originally posted by alex
[i]
Because they are really THEIR children, they don't belong to men, or they belong to fathers only conditionally, because a women can take them out anytime, while a man can not. [/i][/QUOTE]

This is the complete crux of the area where we disagree, Alex. I can simply never agree with you that kids don't belong to their fathers. Not only physically but emotionally. I can look at my own family and see how much the identities of myself and my siblings are oriented around who my father was, his values, his temperment. Yes, the mother is clearly also a strong and singular influence, but to state that children don't belong to their fathers -- just because you're afraid you may have to pay for sticking your dick in their mother -- is just utter immature bullshit.

joe_zop>I can simply never agree with you that kids don't belong to their fathers.
>to state that children don't belong to their fathers -- just because you're afraid you may have to pay for sticking your dick in their mother -- is just utter immature bullshit.

It's happening too often, that we can't ignore it. It's reality of life. Sad one. It's not immature bullshit.

Gee, let's see -- trapped into marriage, forced to pay for kids who don't belong to you just because you helped bring them about, plus anyway you can't get fair custody of these children who you don't really want in the first place and who aren't really your problem, they're society's so taxpayers ought to pay for them, damn women don''t have to pay for sex so if a man were to hang out his gigolo shingle he wouldn't be able to support himself -- sorry, but I hear a baby rattle keeping the beat in the background. Oh, yeah, that's right -- it's not yours anyway, all you did was have sex like a "man" needs to do. Why, indeed, don't people care about men's needs, sob, sob?

Joe, you see problems of men in contemporary life as something not important, while problems of women as something important. I see it other way around.

Darkseid,

As someone who lived in Manhattan for several years, and is a confessed "rainbow dater" I'm going to emphatically DISAGREE with that statement about inter racial/interfaith/inter-whatever dating in the Northeast. In my experience, and the experiences of friends, coworkers, etc. you see biracial couples ALL the time. Granted, you can go into certain neighborhoods and those numbers drop. But by and large, the number of mixed couples in major metropolitan areas far surpasses both the suburbs and rural areas of this country.

Here's a little secret for you about the girl from Lansing. Women's behavior is contextual. Women will often do things away from "home" that they'd be less inclined to do in their own backyard. Which is why it's so much easier to get laid on vacation (or when away in college). When a woman goes to a new "place", there is also a new set of behaviors that emerges. Also, the kind of woman that is willing to move away to a "Big City" is also going to be more adventurous in general, which opens up a whole new set of opportunities and possibilities when it comes to dating. In short, look for adventurous women. Look for women that want to step outside of the ordinary and experience something truly...different. By the way, Danny DeVito is short and balding, yet seems to have no trouble finding willing women. Just a thought.

Alex, you missed the point. ANY GUY THAT HAS TO WORK 3 F---ING DAYS TO PAY FOR A PROSTITUTE IS OUT OF HIS LEAGUE. PERIOD. If you're life is such that you have to work 3 days to make $200, then maybe should be looking at the $40 street walker instead of the $200 escort. Don't complain about wanting a Mercedes when you can only afford a Hyundai. And, trust me on this, spend a week following a true "player", and you'll see the meaning of sexually willing women. Has it ever occurred to you that you're simply...inept? Yes, most women get it free. And the guys I know who have their "shit together" have to turn women down ALL THE TIME. When was the last time you had a woman take you out for the evening and pay for everything? When was the last time you had a woman pay for your vacation? When was the last time you had a woman bring one of her girlfriends to bed with you because she knows you love threesomes? When was the last time you had a woman call you at midnight because she wants, get this...more sex? And these are well-educated women with professional careers. Another buddy of mine always has a "harem" of 3-5 women he can call at almost anytime for sex, dinner, movies, etc.

Here's an interesting fact. Over 51% of all books sold in North America are romance novels, women's romantic fantasies. That is what we call a CLUE boys and girls. When you learn how to get a woman "clicked on" and help her access that part of her mind where she ponders those fantasies, then it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Alex, I applaud you. It's guy like you that make it sooooo easy for the rest of us. :-) To me, sex is a lot like money. Those that know how get all they want, while everyone else, bitches and complains about the injustices of the world.

drgn>Has it ever occurred to you that you're simply...inept?
You may not believe it, but I'm not inept.

>And the guys I know who have their "shit together" have to turn women down ALL THE TIME.

could be, but this is not typical.

>When was the last time you had a woman take you out for the evening and pay for everything?
Never. I pay.
O, yes, once she paid in a restaurant.

>When was the last time you had a woman pay for your vacation?
Never. Not only for MY vacation, they never pay for any man's vacation.

>When was the last time you had a woman bring one of her girlfriends to bed with you because she knows you love threesomes?
C'mon...

>When was the last time you had a woman call you at midnight because she wants, get this...more sex?
3 month ago. It was 11.30pm. I was sleeping already. She wanted me to pick her up at some intersection.
I told her to take a taxi and get here. She felt insulted and didn't come.
It sounds like a funny story, but I simply got tired of this style of relationship. Can you imagine a man calling a girl at 11.30pm, when she is sleeping and telling her - i want to see you now, can you drive at some place and pick me up now, because I am fucking don't care to have my own car, because I used for women to drive me anytime where i want it ?
I am tired of this double standard in sexual life. I don't want it any more.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by alex
[i]Joe, you see problems of men in contemporary life as something not important, while problems of women as something important. I see it other way around. [/i][/QUOTE]

No, I get annoyed listening to guys complain about women while whining in the same way women are generally put down for whining: "What about my needs?"

Men's problems, women's problems -- sorry, I live in a world of color, not just black and white, and I don't have to choose one side or another. Being human can suck. Being in a relationship can suck. So can not being in one, so can having been in one. Not getting what you want can suck. That's true for both men and women.

What about talking about taking some personal responsibility for problems as opposed to complaining about the "system"? Your approach is the welfare approach -- "I've got it tough, so I should be pitied and given a break, and no one else's problems are as bad or as important as mine." Poor baby.

That's why I go to Europe where prostitution is reasonably priced and you don't have to deal with the bullshit that you do in the US. In Europe 50 dollars can go a heck of a lot farther than it can in the US or Canada. In London, in Shepherd's Market for that much money I can get a nice session with a 7-8 rating Eastern European beauty. In the outer provinces of the Netherlands that gets me a solid half hour with a 9-10. In Eastern Europe, particularly Prague I could get first rate service for that amount of cash. Even some decent clubs in Copenhagen never charge more than 50-60 US dollars for fun. Speaking the language also helps, for instance in Paris, most Frenchmen I know never pay more than 140 US Dollars for a full hour sex that is the absolute most, that most men I know will pay over there, and often they usually pay 60-75 US Dollars.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by alex
[i]drgn>Has it ever occurred to you that you're simply...inept?
>You may not believe it, but I'm not inept.

You're right, I don't believe it. No one with their "shit together" would whine as much as you do. Your "somebody save me" attitude shines a giant spotlight on your lack of skill.

>And the guys I know who have their "shit together" have to turn women down ALL THE TIME.

>could be, but this is not typical.

It's quite typical for guys that understand and can attract women.

>When was the last time you had a woman take you out for the evening and pay for everything?
>Never. I pay.
>O, yes, once she paid in a restaurant.

Sucks for you. Women take me out all the time.

>When was the last time you had a woman pay for your vacation?
>Never. Not only for MY vacation, they never pay for any man's vacation.

You'd be surprised what a woman will do if they want you badly enough. And, yes, a woman paid for my trip to Miami last month.

>When was the last time you had a woman bring one of her girlfriends to bed with you because she knows you love threesomes?
>C'mon...

Again, sucks for you. If you make a habit of dating bisexual women, as I do, threesomes are a normal occurrence. Bi-women are quite easy to spot if you know what to look for. :-)

Alex, your responses to my questions just illustrate you are...inept. Again, you feel society should "cure" your lack of skill with women. Quite sad, really.

Mr Drgn,
I generally agree with most everything you have said. Those that can, do it. Those that can't, b*tch about it.

That said, I must also tell you that you seem to be a real asshole and your "shit" - real or imagined - comes off pretty weak. Real players and guys with money don't spend their time bragging and trying to impress others. If you're getting a lot of tail, my advice is enjoy it while you can. With your nasty attitude, it won't last for long . . .

joe_zop>No, I get annoyed listening to guys complain about women while whining in the same way women are generally put down for whining.

Now you are showing again double standard approach. You'd never say "I get annoyed about women having same political rights, as men" or "I get annoyed about women having same education opportunities, as men" - why "guys whining in the same way women" make you annoyed ?

Men should comlain for their rights, the same way women do it. Joe, do analyze your postings - you simply have pro-feminist attitude. You support women-oriented point of view, but you don't care for men's problems.

Hi, Mr. Prokofiev !

I am really wondering - how is your chinese girlfriend doing ? Didn't she tell you yet "I want to get married, or go to hell" ( rudely speaking ). Chinese girls are especially smart for this.

And then, how long are you dating her ? Please, it's not an intrusion into your private life, but just kind of social observation.

Alex...what is all this "women get it for free, men have to pay" shit? You need to remember where you are. You are on a prostitution board. Thus, the men who frequent this site pay for sex. But on a whole, men who pay sex workers are a comparatively small group. Which means that the greater majority of men in the community ARE GETTING SEX FOR FREE!

There are many men who are "forced" by circumstance to pay a sex worker for sex, and there are many others who do it simply for fun. But ultimately, it is usually a CHOICE. And in most cases, it's because you have CHOSEN not to settle for second best. If you really wanted to get sex for free, you could. Anyone can. There's that woman in her 50's next door who hasn't had a root in 30 years. There's that overweight woman from your office who's always eyeing you off. There's that women in the supermarket who has no boobs and her bum is a bit wobbly. And there are "average" women all over the place, just dying for a no-strings shag. But no. You have to have an 18 year old blonde with implants, she has to know what she's doing in bed, you have to be sure that she won't track you down later and cry that you haven't called her...she has to be PERFECT. You would prefer to pay for sex, than go out and sleep with someone who's "not worthy". So if YOU have to go out and spend a weeks wage in order to get f*cked, that's entirely YOUR faullt.

Drgn,
I LOVED your first post. Keep 'em coming! :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by alex
[i]You'd never say "I get annoyed about women having same political rights, as men" or "I get annoyed about women having same education opportunities, as men" - why "guys whining in the same way women" make you annoyed ?[/i][/QUOTE]

Alex, no double standard here at all -- "What about my needs" is whiny regardless of the gender that says it. I don't think it plays any better for men than for women. I'm not annoyed about people having or not having opportunities -- I'm annoyed about childish complaint as opposed to personal responsibility.

I'm not caring enough about men's problems? Spare me -- I care plenty about men's real problems, but I find your litany of them less than compelling. You're doing plenty of caring for men's problems, [i]as you imagine them[/i] -- every single one of your posts on this site have been on this particular subject, using only a single one-note point of view and never varying one iota. And you're going to criticize my attitude? I provide background, statistics and links to my viewpoints, you provide opinion and anecdote and ignore any fact that doesn't suit your perspective. You make ridiculous and unsupportable blanket statements ("Not only for MY vacation, they never pay for any man's vacation") as if they actually prove something. If I'm providing, as you say, a "pro-feminist point of view" (which is incorrect -- I'd say instead that my perspective is less concerned with men's or women's rights and more about the welface of the kids involved) then you are providing an anti-family, mysogynist, and extremely selfish and self-centered perspective that masquerades as concern for men at large. Here's the difference -- you see this whole equation as being about men versus women. I don't. I don't believe that having one side or the other "win" is of general benefit to society.

And tell you what -- since one of men's core problems, even in your terms, is the lack of available and willing sex partners, suppose you help us all out with this most basic of men's problems by telling us where we should be going to find women to have sex with, as that [i]is[/i] the core purpose of this board. I've done that in other areas on this board -- how about you?