American Women

SinjuMaster
greeting to my friends. don't worry about who is first or second. let Dick go first. I am not into ranking but into having fun. This is like calling Michael Savage and blah blah blah. who cares?

USBabe
wrong again. From here on out, your name will be Grasshopper, no more USBabe. Let the ZenMaster enlighten you, you are wrong so many times and ZenMaster is going to save you. Fact is, only a minority few, may be one in ten, in the womanhood are real nice. 9 out of 10 gringo ***** suck. OK, you may be the only one who is nice but then I don't know you. If you are UFC, then you are still the "9"s.
human nature is evil? you bet. human nature by itself is very evil. talk to any religious person (I am not), they will tell you that human nature is evil. talk to any corporate CEO, they will tell you so. i was reading jack welch of GE's on corporate management, you can see he expects most of his workers as lazy, low motivation and slacking, thus he institutionalized a stringent corporate governance to keep track. same with Andy Grove, co-founder of Intel, he believes most people are mindless, lazy and thus devised a system and policy to control, to manage..... both gentlemen created two of the most successful enterprises in american history. look at the CEOs of worldcom, enron, imclone, tell me they are not evil. gringo women (when it comes to their attitude with men) are evil. women are more evil than men in the sense that when men committed evil act, they know they are evil doers (to quote the prez), for women, most would gauge their evil deeds as something normal, as something moral and kind. case in point, the Hayman Fire evil doer. She would gauge herself as an abused ex-spouse and that her ex- wronged her.........
the toilet seat. OK, i will leave it down for you. question is, what do i get in return? suck my rooster?

the South is friendly? get real!! friendly to you may not be friendly to a minority person. a buddy of mine from the bay area was badly beaten in a MS town. reason, he is gay. my african american friends who lived in the south told me about the blantant racism a person of color experience in the south until today, year 2002. yeah, friendly, when pigs fly. Personally I lived in Texas for a few years and I have observed numerous acts of overt racism and intolerance to minorities, including against gays. So, Babe, wake up and look around, if you need eye glasses, go to LensCrafters (yes, they paid me handsomely for this endorsement). Yes, I am a left wing liberal libertarian. Left wing liberal, when it comes to social policy, as in anti discrimination, anti guns, libertarian when it comes to my pocket book - STOP STEALING MY MONEY, ALL THE POOR PEOPLE OUT THERE GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS COUNTRY!! yes, I love Michael Savage but I think he is too liberal for me sometimes.

alright guys. i have to leave town for BabeLand. See you back here in august. have a nice and safe 4th. be careful out there cos the bitches are going to burn you like they burn colorado and arizona. and remember always, Hold on to that wallet when you see a ***** approaching you !! :) :)

Dick, I like your intellect and sense of humor. You don't write for a living, do you? Oh wait, I believe you said you were in a helping profession during the day but are usually stoned. Okay, I have it. You're a psychoanalyst for militant feminists and misogynists, and you have to stay stoned to keep yourself from losing your mind from all the incessant whining. I knew it!

What goes up must come down....well, does that apply to salaries and egos?! If so, I've paid my dues, thanks.

No, no, women aren't inefficient. Our job is to civilize society! I'm not calling you Neanderthals at all, but if you've ever seriously studied sociology or anthropology, you'd know what I mean. Of course, you want to roam from cave to cave to check out all the cute little loincloths, but cavewomen needed you to protect them and bring them food while they grew little cavemen to propagate the species. Instead of duking it out with other cavemen over who had what rights, women wanted laws and more civilized ways of getting along. Together, they formed families and clans and from there, cities grew. And to think, there are probably still some men today who probably still drink from the milk carton; for shame! ;-)

As for our design, I'm not too disappointed, although I wish men would be a bit more understanding about the frequency and duration of the time we spend in the ladies' room. Please remember that you don't have to deal with that "monthly" time or hosiery! Really, it takes extra time. And how on earth can you go hours and hours and hours without using one at all? I'm in awe, really, but when I need to go more frequently, it isn't to upset you, I promise! It would be kind of cool to just whip out the equipment without having to remove any clothing and be done with it, but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way for us.

You said, "Unfortunately, it is often difficult (awkward, uncomfortable, fatiguing) to maintain vaginal penetration with the penis while simultaneously stimulating the clitoris" Do you mean that you're trying the stimulate the clitoris with your "member" or your finger? Only rarely has a man been able to do it only with his member. Usually he or I just use a finger, and that works quite well! As for losing control, I've never had that complaint. I don't have sex with a man until I know him very well, and by that time, I'm not afraid of showing vulnerability with him. And yes, that does include being tied to the bedposts!

By the way, I think "equality among people" is an oxymoron. If we were all equal, we'd all be robots of one another! If I have the same education, experience, skills, and job position that you do, then of course I should be paid the same as you. But that doesn't make us equal. I'm not a man and don't want to be treated like one. I have some advantages that you don't have in life, and you have some advantages that I don't have. No legislation will change that. I'll bet you speak differently to your male friends than your female friends. Personally, I like it that way. Men and women think differently (and of course all men don't think the same, and all women don't think the same), and insisting that there are no differences between us, except for "plumbing," is asking for trouble. Personally, I'll opt for respect rather than equality.

USBabe, I might agree and disagree with you. There are many nice American women out there, in fact most American women are nice then again maybe not, but for certain the majority of American women have an attitude towards sex that is rather puritan but at the same time liberal. Liberal and puritan create a bizarre paradox. Here's an example, a women dresses up sexy to go to work and men make passes at her on the bus. She ignores all the advances and stares and sticks her nose up and whispers to herself, "These guys are pervs!!" If she wore a nice dress, a rather sexy one at that, what else did she expect??? If you go to a public place and show off the best parts of your anatomy, any man who considers himself human will take notice of you. I know from the social scene that a lot of women in America like to tease men which I find rather annoying. I have had women make friendly passes at me and then it leads to absolutely nothing. I was with a woman last week and we started kissing and all of a sudden out of no where she pulls away and says "Sorry!!! I got to go. I'll see you later." She has not returned any of my calls since. There is a major factor that allows women to tease men and get away with it, there are simply not enough beautiful women in the US. Lets face it when I go out maybe one in ten women I see on the street or in the office or in another place of gathering is attractive(7 or better). The fact that sexy American women are so few in numbers leads men to make a big deal out of them, and therefore the guys compete for the woman's favor. This competition among men makes it easy for an attractive American women to set minimum standards and reject men. The attractive American women knows shes hard to find and therefore she has more leverage over the potential suitor. In Europe, its a different ballgame, there are so many gorgeous women, in fact so much that men don't a big deal out of it The attractive European woman is easy to find. So therefore European women don't tease and play games with guys because they cannot. Its all supply and demand. This is a fact. In Europe, if a woman makes the move, thats means the man is going to get some hot sex. For example, in France, if a lady tongue kisses you, that is a prelude to sex. After experiencing romance and sex with European women I can just testify that American women don't satisfy me anymore. I don't have the energy, strength,patience, and perserverance to run through hoops to get sex from a woman in the States which in terms of quality and quantity is below that found in Europe. In Europe, sex is far easier, and far better, and far cheaper, and not as heartbreaking.

CBGB, I think how the man makes a pass at a woman makes a huge difference. If a man just grabs her rear, that really is inappropriate! However, if he smiles but keeps his hands to himself, then it's entirely different. A woman who takes offense at a man whistling at her is obviously giving mixed signals.

What exactly do you mean by the word "attractive?" I mean, are you talking about genetics or how a woman dresses? I'm just speculating, but I don't think there's probably a huge difference in genetics. However, I also don't think it's a secret that European women (generally) do dress better than American women, but generally doesn't mean always! Also, in general, I think Europeans are more slender than their American counterparts, but I also think that Americans have better dental and overall health than Europeans. And it's important to realize that unless you live in Europe, you're probably seeing Europeans at their best. How many European women have you seen weeding gardens, washing cars, cleaning out attics, and so forth? You probably see them in the workplace or in clubs or out on the streets, shopping.

I'm not saying that American women or European women are any more or less attractive than the other. But to make an intelligent comparison, you'd have to compare a HUGE number of them and also compare them in equivalent settings. And, if you've been jaded by a group, you're probably not going to look at them objectively, either.

Something I've noticed that confuses me: When European women give you sex, they're lauded for their openness and beauty. When American women give men sex (without much effort), they're called sluts! What's with this?

I'll tell you why some (I can't speak for all) American women won't give you sex. Many of us want to fall in love and get married. Men want to think they're special, and that a woman has pride in her body and doesn't just give a piece of it to everyone, that she's saving herself for a special man. Therefore, he's going to opt for a less sexually experienced woman nearly every time. So, a woman who puts out may be popular on the dating scene, but almost never for marriage. Do you really want the mother of your child to have had sex with dozens of men?

We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Nicely said CBGB... your supply and demand arguement is one that I have noticed myself over the years. As more and more women become fat/lazy/bitchy, there are less women who are attractive to men... thus meaning women can have their pick of the litter. Men also seem to have no judgement of their self worth. If you walk up to an attractive girl on the street, while wearing a wife beater t-shirt and ripped jeans, have no job, and a sport a big gut then you're going to get shot down. These seem to be the guys who do the most bitching when they can't get a "quality" girlfriend.

Miller... When you first started posting I thought you were a self righteous dickhead (heh heh)... as I read your posts more I find myself agreeing with you on many points. Many men are spineless, or just blind when it comes to women.

nofatso... you could learn a few things from Miller. You seem a bit bitter to me and women pick up on that in about 2 seconds. Check out that heartless-bitches website I posted a while back for some help.

USbabe... I was pleasantly surprised to see another articulate woman (besides RN) here after my vacation. Perhaps you could convince some of your friends to join us and discuss their experiences. I think they would also be warmly welcomed and maybe we can all learn a few things from each other. In response to your question of what a "Gringo" is... As I understand (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) it is a descriptive, in a derogatory manner, word attached to white people by Mexicans. Much like a southerner calling a northerner a "Yankee".

I'm from big city Canada and I now live in Florida. People here are better at the daily pleasantries but inwardly are no more or less friendly than anywhere else I've travelled to. This so called "Southern Hospitality" is an old-school myth that is being perpetuated by tourism officials. I've also noted that there are many more "looser" men living here than in the north and consequently the women are more distrustful of them. But don't get me wrong... there are plenty of trailer park girls to go around too.

I'm dating an "American Woman" at the moment and am quite happy with her. There are some sexual issues between us, mostly because I'm a hedonist and she was a sunday school girl. She has supported an observation of mine, and that is that the best women tend to be those who were raised in small town america (she was). I've found that city girls tend to be very superficial, materialistic, and unreasonable in their attitudes towards men and life in general.

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Originally posted by RN
Just for you Dickhead......

*Turning around*
*Bending slowly over the bed and raising my skirt*

OOPS...it seems I forgot to put underwear on......

And what's this?? It's a shaved...pink...NOT obese...definately NOT lazy...
....PUSSY! LOL

Ok, so it's Australian pussy not American pussy and the topic at hand is American pussy (or lack thereof), but did I at least manage to change the subject????

*cheeky grin*
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dickhead
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Well, gee, thanks, Nursey but if you're doing it JUST for me then don't shave that thang. I've never really liked that; it kinda makes me feel like a child molester. Also what about nicks and cuts in connection with STD? Seems like it's not as safe.

Just trim it a little and let it go at that. [/i][/QUOTE]

sheese!... what a dickhead... nothing but criticism. I'll take your pink little shaved friend Rub... but you'd better be careful... I still have that oral fixation thing going on...

FU, I agree small town gals are nicer, but would say they tend to be less venturesome and somewhat more narrow minded. BTW, you meant there are more "loser" men down South, not more "looser" men, right? Cuz how would you know about the latter!?! Didn't mean to criticize RN, just the shaved beaver's not my thing. I think Rubbie started the whole nicks and cuts discussion in re eating potato chips and such, a while back, so I thought I'd yank on her chain a little. I believe the Aussies call that "letting the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out."

Babe, thanks, but no, I am not a writer per se, although I do a lot of writing at my job. And as far as the awkward thing meant, it applies to both the phallus and the phalanges. I find I can stimulate the clitoris with the phallus during intercourse using certain techniques I decline to share (Dickhead is rather selfish), but the positions are awkward and difficult to maintain for too long. And, when using the phalanges on the clitoris while the phallus is inserted, I often fall victim to the "pat your head while rubbing your tummy" syndrome (Dickhead is not the most coordinated individual on the planet).

PS, I never studied anthro but I have a minor in sociology. My particular interest was stratification.

DH

USBabe, I have traveled and worked in Europe extensively over the past few years. I have also lived in some of the most cosmopolitan and glamorous US cities. (I spent 4 years in California living in both San Francisco and Los Angeles), I also go to Miami frequently, and I have lived most of my life in New York City. I have also been to Texas, Georgia, and the Carolinas. In Europe, I have been all over, London, Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Budapest, everywhere. Over the years, I have seen HUGE numbers of women, and living in NYC, you do see HUGE numbers of them, you also see HUGE numbers of them in the European cities I have mentioned. The cities I have lived in (NY, LA, SF, and Miami) happen to be considered the top 5 cities in the United States to meet and see beautiful women, NY is the fashion capital of America, Miami has its large latin population, LA is closely connected with Hollywood. So these are the most glamorous cities in America. I have noticed that in every city with the exception of Miami, no more than one in ten women I saw I would consider attractive, no more and no less. In Miami, the ratio is more favorable, its about 1/4th of the population. I have met women at health clubs, in offices, at restaraunts, at bars, at discos, at shopping malls,at parks, at colleges, at beaches, suburbs, and places of worship. In Europe I have met them in all of these types of locales, health clubs, restaurants, shopping areas, discos, parks, beaches, discos, university campuses, bars, in suburbs of cities, and churches. In my comparison of the two areas I have found over 3 out of every four European women I encounter to be attractive. Personally walking down the Champs Ellysees in Paris last year I saw more attractive women in 5 minutes than I do in 5 weeks on the Champs Elysees' New York equivalent, Midtown Manhattan between Park Avenue to Avenue of Americas to Times Square. In central Amsterdam I saw more beautiful women than I do in the Greenwich Village - Soho Section of lower Manhattan. On the Riviera, I see more beautiful women than I do in South Beach Miami and Malibu California. Another thing when I meant by making passes I did not mean grabbing a woman's rear end or shouting something obscene. We live in a civilized society, what I meant is that I have seen men make eye contact and give smiles to women they find attractive in public areas of gathering, and often the women themselves seem touched off by the fact that some strange man is making eye contact with them. This is just absurd!! What the hell did they expect??!! When I was in Europe, I would often see women trying to make eye contact with me, and if I did the same I would usually get a smile from them. Even in a big and bustling places like Paris or Frankfurt, if I simply just looked at a women, gave a hello, and smiled I would get a return smile from her. I've seen this all over the continent of Europe, women are just plain friendlier than they are in the States. Another thing, after spending a lot of time in Europe, when I returned to the States, I could not help but notice how fat and pale most American women are. Sorry USBabe, Europeans simply do it better. :)

CBGB, I was in Paris three times last year, so maybe you saw me! Or, maybe only the beautiful women go to Europe. ;-)

You've lived in and visited cities, but have you ever been to many smaller areas? Believe it or not, a lot of top models come from small areas (both in the US and Europe).

However, I'm still confused as to what you mean specifically by attractive , a person's genetics or how she is dressed (and how her hair is done, and things like that). I can't argue at all with the opinion that American women are generally a lot more casual than European women. I'm not sure how we got that way. But, please be careful in typecasting women, because a beautiful American woman just might walk right on past you, but if your mind is already made up that her simply being American means that she's unattractive, you're severely limiting your opportunities.

Unfortunately, as an abundant nation, I don't think there's any doubt that there are more obese people (men, as well as women!) in the US. And we're probably more pale. But on the other hand, if you compare the "average" middle-aged American woman with the "average" middle-aged European woman, the American woman frequently looks much younger. Sun is very damaging and aging to skin (as is smoking, which Europeans do a lot more than Americans).

Do you know that Christie Brinkley is almost 50?! It's incredible. However, believe it or not, she is an American woman.

However, instead of comparing American women to European women, how about just enjoying women because they're women?! Can you imagine women saying that European men were better lovers, better-looking, and much nicer than American men? I bet you'd feel defensive because you were being lumped together with everyone.

Prejudice and type-casting closes off far more doors than it opens.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by USbabe
[i]Can you imagine women saying that European men were better lovers, better-looking, and much nicer than American men? I bet you'd feel defensive because you were being lumped together with everyone.[/i][/QUOTE]

Gee, well in point of fact I've seen that happen repeatedly. I agree with your point about generalization, USBabe, but it happens on both sides of the fence. I've had friends -- truly nice guys -- who couldn't get the time of day from the same women who suddenly started drooling when a foreign accent was in evidence. Doesn't matter if to us the guy was an obvious bozo; to her, heck, maybe he's literally a prince!

I do think there are two rather natural tendencies at play - and I think both men and women indulge. First, there's a sort of exoticism that kicks in when someone's from a different culture. It's as if they're somehow going to fill the void that's not previously been filled, and whether they actually will or won't gets obscured because you've got to take time figuring them out. The second is something my friends and I used to call "new town syndrome" -- the fact that when you go somewhere else for a time you simply see more beautiful people. (Happens when you buy a new car, too -- you suddenly see a bunch more on the road.) I think it's something in our antennaes, how we imagine ourselves operating in the new place as opposed to our normal lives.

Underlying everything in this thread, however, is one very clear truth in the midst of all the other stuff (some of which is rather silly) and that's the fact that American women in general absolutely do treat men differently from the way women do in other countries. It may because they've got more equality than in other places, they're more independent, self-absorbed, paranoid, strong, whatever. But the fact is that men don't get the same level or degree of attention when talking to or being with most American women as they do elsewhere. The messages are essentially, "I don't need you" and "it's your job to keep me but not the other way around" and, as this thread demonstrates, those messages are very much understood and the feeling has become mutual.

Right on, JZ. Remember that bumper sticker that was going around a while back: "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"? That encapsulated the sentiment quite nicely. SAnother symptom of this sad syndrome is the way single women are having children on their own. I have yet to see this outside of the US, Canada, and the wealthy countries of northern Europe. Really, I think this should be a last resort and not just another way to propagate the species. Actually, I think it's selfish. My niece did this and she could easily have a guy but says that a relationship would interfere with her career :(

The kid, now seven, is having a lot of emotional problems (besides from being the biggest sissy you ever saw in your life), which brings us back to the old adage: "Spare the rod and spoil the child."

Hi Joe, the "exoticism" of another culture is definitely at play, at least in part. I'm not ashamed to admit that a foreign accent touches a few sensitive spots in my body that a plain old American accent won't! The road runs both ways in that sense. I'd much rather take a vacation in Europe than a camping trip to my local park; wouldn't you?

I won't argue that, IN GENERAL, women treat men differently in the US, but here's another slant. It's very true that American women can probably economically make it on their own better in the US than almost anywhere else. Maybe some of the foreign women must rely on men economically or they'll never get ahead. In some countries, sadly enough, women aren't even thought of as human. Women in some third world countries are killed if they so much as talk back to their husbands. They're treated like cattle. I certainly hope no one here supports that kind of treatment of women. In other words, women in other cultures sometimes have no choice because they must rely on men.

I can't argue that some American women are very arrogant, self-centered witches. But, in some ways, they wouldn't become that way if men didn't allow it. I'm not putting all of the blame on men at all! But I've seen both men AND women put up with shoddy treatment, and at a guess it's because of a lack of self-esteem. The US is the land of plenty. I'm almost certain that no one posting on this forum is lacking in any comfort material possessions, let alone basic food and shelter. Sometimes some of life comes so easily that we take much for granted. And we become spoiled -- both men and women. Perhaps in other cultures, people appreciate more what they have because it isn't as plentiful. Many women in the US can fully support themselves, even in lavish lifestyles. How many foreign women can say the same thing? I'm sure some can, but my guess is that more American women are able to become self-sufficient than foreign women.

I'm not going to rant and rave about American men, but I'll tell you one thing that I've observed about European men that I haven't observed quite so often in American men. Often, European men seem more protective of women and not so afraid of us. I'm approached much more often in Europe than in the US. Unfortunately, some of the bad experiences that men have encountered here have made some men less likely to approach women. Very generally, men take rejection so personally in the US, and in Europe, men seem to find it par for the course but usually don't let it upset them. Both men and women in the US tend to overanalyze situations. I'll give an example.

This past winter, I was running on an indoor track at the gym. I had on a Walkman and was immersed in deep thought and was relatively impervious to everything around me. As I was about 20 meters past a man, it just dawned on me that he said something to me as I passed by him! Since I was pondering something, I'm pretty sure my eyebrows were furrowed and I looked totally unapproachable. The next time around, he was gone. I didn't see him for a few more days, but when I did, he totally ignored me. I felt so bad that he thought I was being rude to him, so I actually walked up to him and said something like, "I was on the track the other day when I passed by you. I think you said something to me, but I was so deep in thought that it didn't even register with me until later that you said something! I just wanted you to know that I didn't mean to be rude to you at all."

His reaction was something like I had just handed him a million dollars. He said he shrugged it off and it was no big deal, but the way he treated me after I explained the situation was the difference between night and day. I could tell that his perceived perception of me bothered him greatly.

The reason that I mention this is that sometimes things just aren't always as they appear. I have no doubt that the guy was thinking pretty much along the thoughts of many of you here -- that I was just arrogant and rude and snubbing him. But I wasn't! I was completely preoccupied and would have acted no differently if it were anyone else or even if there wasn't anyone there at all.

We can't change the behavior of others. But we can change our own behavior. If you want to attract successful, attractive people, then you have to be someone that successful, attractive people are attracted to! I dislike whining from others a lot. I usually avoid people like that and instead usually hang out with people who have more optimistic views on life. I like American men, but some of them are very unattractive because of their views on life. And I like foreign men, but some of them are very unattractive because of their views on life.

If you expect American women to be (whatever negative images you have), then you probably won't be disappointed. But really, don't you deserve better in life? I do, and I insist on it!!

Dick, you said, "Another symptom of this sad syndrome is the way single women are having children on their own"

If you're looking for an argument from me, you'll be disappointed! I completely agree. SOME women think that the only valuable part of a man is his sperm, and the problem with that is that children are paying the price. Both a mother and a father are needed to raise children. Sometimes unplanned pregnancies occur, but to plan a child out-of-wedlock is very selfish.

But again, not ALL American women think this way! Some of us actually like men. In fact, some of us actually like men a lot! But if you (in plural form) insist on judging all American women based on the actions of a few, you'll never find out who we are. :-)

Oh, I wanted to say to FedUp, thank you for explaining what a gringo is! I had a feeling it wasn't exactly an endearing term.... I actually did show this site to two of my friends, but they immediately dismissed it saying that these guys already had their minds made up and that nothing anyone said or did would make any difference. I really hope to prove them wrong! I think that the day I close my mind to new information is the day I quit living on the planet.

so, you were in paris last year three times!!! whoopee!!! i never talked to any americans while there, i spotted a few here and there, but, you know what? the ones i saw happened to be the archtypical fat americans. you really think i would be able to spot you in a city of 10 million people?? who the fuck do you think you are? you obviously sound like a ?itch so there is no need for me to talk to you anymore. by the way those beauties i saw i could identify 100 percent as french or european, they obviously were not speaking english. it doesn't matter what i define attractive to be, you're just complicating things like a typical american ?itch!!! too bad for you, that i am letting other men know about the opportunities to meet women abroad so they won't have to put up with the shit that bitches like you give us men. fuck you. enjoy your vibrator.