American Women

CBGB... As a Canadian I can tell you that you are, in my estimation, only half right about Canada. Yes... there are more fat slobs in the US (and the largest in Canada cannot compete in the same class as the largest in the US) and I think the reasons are that 1) Canadians are better educated (as you mentioned) and 2) that Canadians are actually embarrassed to be slobs (whereas Americans have the arrogant "I am who I am and fuck you" attitude). I don't agree with you when you say that generally Canadians are better looking though. I see just as many hot girls walking around Tampa as I do in Toronto... the difference is that, statistically speaking, there are more slobs per capita in the US to which our eyes are drawn. I have also found that there is most definitely an exoticism in Toronto and Vancouver. White folk are a minority in these towns. When I enter Toronto from the US I'm stunned by the amount of colours I see on the street.

The more I pay attention to peoples ideas and values in the US the more I realise what a fucked up country it is. It has natural beauty (and money) but, as Stranger pointed out, it's BORING. The same bland restaurants, the same bland architecture, and the same bland (brainwashed, xenophobic, and paranoid) people from east to west. I mentioned before about finding the diamond amongst the lumps of coal and I think I can expand on this metaphor a bit further. The problem with American Women is not that there are no diamonds to be found: the problem is that there is too much coal to sift through to find the diamonds. There's a simple economic principle involved here. Why should I mine diamonds in the US, where the cost is $20 per tonne of coal vs profits of $100 per diamond, when I can go to Europe where the price is $10 per tonne of coal vs profits of $100 per diamond.

At this point I'm not totally bitter about American Women... I'm still able to pick up easily enough so I'll keep trying to sift through all that coal and find the diamond. Yes, the cost is higher, but apparently I'm either a glutton for punishment or too much of an optimist.

CBGB also said... "USBabe, you mention that there is an "exocitism" to European women that is a factor in play with many men's attraction to them. You say that there is something attractive about a foriegn accent. I've never heard such bunk,..."

Sorry... but I agree with USbabe. Hearing my German friend's breath whispering in my ear as I slipped my cock into her was enough to send a ripple down my spine. It's not just the accent, it's the slight differences in mannerisms and inflections that make a foreign girl seem more attractive.

Hey Dickhead... I'm still young and inexperienced in life, mongering, and dating. At what point do my opinions, and the opinions of others, become of significant value to this discussion? Are peripheral ideas and thoughts invalid? Should I leave and come back in 20 years?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fedup
[i]Hey Dickhead... I'm still young and inexperienced in life, mongering, and dating. At what point do my opinions, and the opinions of others, become of significant value to this discussion? Are peripheral ideas and thoughts invalid? Should I leave and come back in 20 years? [/i][/QUOTE]

The more experience you get, the more valuable and valid your opinions will be, I personally think. It's one thing to be "inexperienced in mongering" and another thing to be hanging around on a prostitution board when you've NEVER been with a hooker.

Dickhead, while I agree with you to some extent about the value of people who speak from massive direct experience, people with brains as well as dicks (and, in the case of RN and USbabe, with alternatives to the latter) are in short enough supply that I'm loathe to scare any of them off :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fedup
[i]CBGB... As a Canadian I can tell you that you are, in my estimation, only half right about Canada. Yes... there are more fat slobs in the US (and the largest in Canada cannot compete in the same class as the largest in the US) and I think the reasons are that 1) Canadians are better educated (as you mentioned) [/i][/QUOTE]

FU, I don't know how you define "better educated," but I researched this a little since I had always read and heard the opposite. My sources are census data from Canada's latest (1996) census, obtained from www.statcan, and US census data released in March 2000 (I looked back a few years farther and saw no significant obvious change), obtained from www.census.gov/population/socdem/education.

According to these sources, 35% of Canadians 15 and over have less than a high school diploma, while 84% of Americans 25 and over are high school graduates. The difference in ages makes this comparison a bit shaky.

Again according to these sources, 17% of Canadians between 25 and 64 had university degrees, whereas 26% of Americans 25 and over had bachelor's degrees. Since the Canadian website says that "The 1996 Census showed that Canadians continued to attain higher levels of education, a trend observed since the early 1950s," it can be inferred that the number of Canadians 25 or over with university degrees is lower than 17% in total (adding in those 65 and over).

Granted, education and ignorance are not mutually exclusive, and based on my fairly limited experience in Canada, I do agree we have more slobs in the US. But, at least based on these numbers, we are better educated slobs!

If you have some other numbers that support your claim, I'd be interested to see them, truly. Next thing I'm gonna research, if I can find it, is the relative educational levels of the high school TEACHERS in the two countries.

In the US, educational levels vary fairly widely across geographic areas. My guess is the same is true of Canada. For example, Arkansas has the lowest percentage of college graduates (I think the number was 16% but don't quote me; maybe it was 18%) while Colorado is the state with the highest percentage, approximately double Arkansas' percentage (36% I think but I didn't write it down; anyone interested in the exact number can go to the website). Although, it should be noted that the District of Columbia has an even higher percentage of college graduates than Colorado (again, these numbers are based on those 25 years of age or older).

Dickhead does his homework!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by joe_zop
[i]Dickhead, while I agree with you to some extent about the value of people who speak from massive direct experience, people with brains as well as dicks (and, in the case of RN and USbabe, with alternatives to the latter) are in short enough supply that I'm loathe to scare any of them off :) [/i][/QUOTE]

Don't wanna scare anyone off. Just stirring up shit as usual. And, nothing personal against David. BUT, I would be interested in a response from him as to why he frequents the board if he doesn't want to screw any hookers.

Sorry, don't understand your comment about "brains as well as dicks"; you mean there's a difference? I thought dicks were for thinking with and brains were to be used as a hat rack.

A fairly quick search seems to indicate no obvious differences in the educational levels of high school teachers in Canada vs. the US. However, further examination of the census data (trust the government and its data as much or as little as you like) shows that as of 1996, 21% of Canadians aged 20-29 had NOT graduated from high school, while only 12% of Americans aged 25-29 had not graduated from high school. The US census data refers to high school graduation levels as being "stable" at 85-88%.

2.22% of Canadians 15 and over had master's degrees and 0.46% had earned doctorates. I know from my own research that the percentages in the US are over twice as high for master's degrees (appx 5-6%), but again fairness requires me to emphasize that the only figures I have found for Canada are for those aged 15 and over.

However, only about 20% of Canadians are between 15 and 24, inclusive, indicating that even when adjusting for the differences in the age brackets, the percentage of Canadians with advanced degrees is still lower.

So: Lower percentage of high school graduates, college graduates, AND persons with advanced degrees in Canada as opposed to the United States. The women here still leave quite a bit to be desired, and you sure as hell don't need to be real well educated to either be a hooker or to enjoy their services.

Just defending my native country as best I can. No offense (or offence!) to the beautiful country of Canada.

Dickhead I see you have done your homework on Canada, I'm surprised there are few college grads in Canada than the US, especially since education in Canada is far less expensive. But those numbers are very decieving if you check the OECD PISA ratings. Canada has the one of the best educated students in the world. Reading, Math, and Science scores are the 3rd and 4th highest in the world. In overall performance in school, most European countries beat US students in their Math, Reading, and Science aptitudes. This year the US beat Italy and Germany in the PISA ratings (this creating a big uproar in Germany which has taken great pride in its education system). Japan and Korea have the best school systems according to this OECD study.

FedUp, I guess its a matter of you say to-ma-to and I say ta-ma-ta, maybe the foriegn accent makes someone more attractive to you, it certainly doesn't hurt. But I feel that is only part of it, and how the women holds herself in her whole being is more important. I recently visited Montreal, and just could not believe the proportion of beautiful women in that wonderful city, in fact it was higher than in Vancouver. But overall, I just feel sex and romance is the pits in the US. There are simply too many barriers between people these days. FedUp, you also mention xenophobia, that is a major issue for me, since I am, for lack of a better term, pigmentally challenged, I am part Mexican part Japanese, and I feel my ethnic background makes me a target of discrimination in the US. I feel if I approach someone of another background they often see my outside ethnic appearance and immediately move away. I happen to live in New York, which by most means is fairly tolerant, but there is a lot of xenophobia in NY which makes my life difficult, and I feel there is far less xenophobia in Europe and Canada, a contrast to the way it is in the US. Although California maybe a bit of an exception but not too much.

Also I find your Europe vs. USA diamond and coal analogy on the money but I have a more drastic opinion of woman finding in the US, when you mine for diamonds(the right woman) in the USA, it costs you about $200 per tonne of coal vs profits of $100 per diamond, In Europe, diamond mining costs you about $20 per tonne of Coal vs profits of $200 per diamond. Meaning women and romance in Europe is CHEAPER and BETTER!!! This is especially true for sexual services, as in most European countries prostitutes cost as much as one tenth as they do in America. Take for example Germany, I go to an FKK and pay a simple 50 Euros for the sex of my life with a amazing beautiful woman, in a brothel in NY a women approaching the same quality will charge me anywhere from 400-500 US Dollars and on top of that the service 99.9 % rarely approaches Germany, so you pay a lot more for it in America and you get less satisfaction or profit. That is a major difference.

Now on to who's fatter. It took a while to find consistent definitions. Defining obesity as having a body mass index greater than 30%, and using obesitycanada.com as my Canadian source and the Center for Disease Control as my US source, 1996 statistics for Canada say 12% of Canadians are obese while a far greater percentage of Americans, 19.8% are obese according to 2000 data. 35% of Canadian men are defined as overweight and 27% of Canadian women. I started to read the US statistics for a further breakdown but became sickened and disgusted, so I stopped.

So, FU, to oversimplify, it appears you have more dropouts but we have more lard asses. Comes as no surprise to me.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CBGBConnisur
[i]Dickhead I see you have done your homework on Canada, I'm surprised there are few college grads in Canada than the US, especially since education in Canada is far less expensive. But those numbers are very decieving if you check the OECD PISA ratings. Canada has the one of the best educated students in the world. Reading, Math, and Science scores are the 3rd and 4th highest in the world. In overall performance in school, most European countries beat US students in their Math, Reading, and Science aptitudes. This year the US beat Italy and Germany in the PISA ratings (this creating a big uproar in Germany which has taken great pride in its education system). Japan and Korea have the best school systems according to this OECD study.

[/i][/QUOTE]

First let me state that I am a high school dropout (never have graduated to this day and no G.E.D. either) and a college professor (scary, huh? I do have a master's degree and have completed 27 of 36 hours towards a second one). Having said that, I feel the joker in this deck is: what components of any given country's population takes these types of standardized tests? Canada, like many European countries, has a "two-track" approach to high school, where some students are tracked towards university education and others towards vocational or trade-type paths. We don't do this in the US, at least not overtly. I don't have a definite opinion on whether a two-track approach is good or bad as I have not researched this. The socialist egalitarian in me says it's bad while the pragmatist in me says it's realistic and therefore correct. But, it does skew the data, since I think a higher percentage of US students make it to the point of being included in these aptitude tests.

Having said that, I will say that I think high school in the United States is way too easy, a great big joke in fact, and that's PART of the reason I accidentally disremembered to finish high school. I see functional illiterates in my college classroom all the time. It's very scary. Since I'm a dickhead, I just flunk them and leave the problem for other, more qualified people to address. To quote one of my own undergraduate professors, "all I can do about that is apologize."

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CBGBConnisur [i]. Japan and Korea have the best school systems according to this OECD study. [/i][/QUOTE]

I taught at a Japanese university (Teikyo Loretto) and have also had many Japanese students at the other universities at which I've taught. Also, there were many Japanese students in my first graduate program (I fucked a couple of them but I got sick of taking three showers to get laid twice!). My opinion is that their educational system emphasizes rote memorization at the expense of developing critical thinking skills. Some of this can be blamed on a "culture of consensus." Yes, their math skills on average were better than the math skills of American undergraduates I've taught, but in general they could not think for themselves and lacked initiative and creativity in business contexts, especially in entrepreneurial type situations. Also and importantly, in my experience they were NO fun to party with.

I've been far more impressed with my Chinese (PRC as well as ROC) students. They WERE fun to party with and weren't afraid to challenge my opinion if they disagreed with it. However, it is certainly possible that I was getting the very, very best of the brightest more so in the case of the Chinese than the Japanese. I've only ever had one Korean student so can't comment there but she was one of the best students I've ever had and a stone fox as well (I have never had sex with a current or former student and don't plan to = don't shit where you eat, but I can LOOK). Can't speak to science skills as that is not my forté.

Hmm, some scary similarities here, Dickhead. I, too, lack a high school diploma, as I was an early college entrant. (Did have to get the GED for a job once -- shook 'em up because I didn't take any of their classes and got a perfect score.) I took it one step further and technically never actually got my undergrad degree, as I never turned in a paper for a class a loooong time ago. Yet I also taught at the college level, both undergrad and grad level at a major university, for about five years, till I discovered I was as bored at universities as a prof as I'd been as a student, and the social penalties for wandering around there drunk or stoned were greater. ;)

That said, I found my Korean grad students to fall in between what you describe with Japanese and Chinese (my opinion of whom mostly matches yours.) They also come out of a fairly regimented system and have all that overly-problematic classroom shyness and deference when in the American system, but for the most part they were far more creative, far more willing to take risks, and far more able to be critical thinkers about both our and their own societal constructs. And they're far more fun to party with than the Japanese students, though not as much as the Chinese. Can't speak to sleeping with any in that context, as, again, my rules are the same as yours.

Well, if you want to get scarier, I am entering Year Six of teaching at universities, not counting being a grad assistant. The one I'm at now is definitely major but the others maybe not. I'm not bored yet, but maybe that's because I march to the beat of my own drummer and ignore what I'm "supposed" to do, or maybe it's because I keep teaching different classes in different subjects at different levels every year, or maybe it's because I blaze up as needed. Or, maybe it's because every other job I had before was arguably way more boring. I mean, I was a letter carrier for 8 years and I didn't think THAT was boring so maybe I'm just an earhole.

But I sure as hell wasn't an "early college entrant" as I did not take my first college course until I was 31 years old. I dropped out of 10th grade when I was 15 and began my mongering travels. I do have an undergraduate degree but it is completely unrelated to the fields in which I have been teaching.

However, the scariest thing of all is that my student loans will be paid off the exact month I am eligible for Social Security ... assuming there IS any Social Security and assuming I bother to pay them off instead of just leaving the country. Oh, wait a minute, if I don't pay them off they will deduct them from my Social Security check.

I always figured I'd die young but now it's too late ...

Well, I should clarify -- the job itself was definitely not boring, nor the students, and I very much enjoyed teaching; I just find the university system as a whole moves far too glacially and annoyingly for me. And I generally prefer playing with [b]live[/b] ammunition -- not that some students aren't made of that.

But this is waaay off topic.