American Women

Phil,

Excellent posting and I'm compelled to agree with virtually everything you said.

I, too, have noticed that once I focused on foreign women exclusively, I suddenly had all the American women I could handle. It's like once you ignore them they take it as a type of personal challenge to get your attention and affections. Getting a man's attention and playing with him seems to be the national pastime here in America. Once we don't play their game, they're suddenly very insecure and become highly motivated.

I would also add that once an American woman finds out that you want nothing to do with American womanhood and go overseas to find sex, they get REAL indignant and downright nasty. My sister-in-law who has tried to set me up with her friends and co-workers in the past went ballistic when my sexual escapades in Europe became fully known to her. She's a very nice person and has always been wonderful to me but she damn nearly disowned me when she found out that I was only interested in non-American women. One day over some drinks she point-blank asked me why I'm interested only in non-American women when there are so many women available in America? One of my counter arguments was why does she drive a new Volvo S60 and not an American car? Better quality, easier maintenance, better looking, etc. ??? She's still steamed at me but I have the right to choose unless someone has vacated the Constitution. By the way, that argument didn't work either. So be it.

By the way, I assume that you go to Rio and I surmise that you would highly recommend it. It's a highly attractive destination but I'm a bit leery of all the "reported" crime and the language barrier. Your thoughts and recommendations???

being short is definitely a disadvantage with women but it can be overcome. 2 cases in point: dudley moore and roman polanski. both just barely over 5 feet tall, and by accounts i'm aware of, very successful with women. polanski was married to sharon tate, as beautiful a woman as anyone could want, and moore had a long term relationship with susan anton, who was nearly 6 feet tall, and no slouch herself in the looks department. i believe women are more interested in how successful a man is rather than his looks or physical characteristics, based on what women themselves say. i saw that 20/20 report also, and think it was only somewhat accurate. any study can be slanted.

Phil, your posts are very accurate about our situation here in America. We live in a sexually repressed society which forbids the sale of contraceptives to minors and they also keep the teens in the dark about sex. No one teaches teenagers about pregnancy and disease with unsafe sex and no one encourages them to have it safely either. The teenage years are the most curious of our years. This is when we experiment to define who we are. (This is also the time when we choose to be straight or gay but that's another story). Since American women are taught to abstain from sex, they are now defined and raised to be prudes and hold out on sex. In Europe, teens are taught if they want to do it, do it safely with contraceptives. Even oral is to be done with a condom.
Sinanjumaster, I think that 20/20 report is very accurate about American women not liking short guys, being a short guy myself. Virgin Terr, there may be a few examples of successful short guy dating but what about non-celebrities like myself? American women either laugh at short guys when they are approached by short guys like myself or they scoff at us. I have experienced this many times and had so few success with American women that I just forgot about them after discovering foreign women. I even think that Dudley Moore probably had no success with women before he became famous. Or perhaps they want his money.

To Paddy: I've only been to Rio about four or five times and personally I haven't had any problems with crime. I think it's funny because I'm a black dude which actually helps me. Most guys in Brazil think I'm a broke Brazilian so they don't mess with me. But I think it's basically about using common sense. I've seen more crime here in America than I've seen in Brazil. And I mean on a first hand basis. I was raised in the "hood". I think the biggest targets in Rio are the "showoffs", whether you are black, white or whatever. Talking in English LOUDLY, wearing a lot of jewelry, acting a fool can probably get you messed up, but it's like one taxi driver told me: most Americans get messed up going to the favelas looking for drugs and that is something I can believe. Basically just stay in tourists areas and you should be o.k. It's like in L.A. they don't even put South Central on some maps; like it doesn't even exists. Basically their saying stay away from over there and in Rio it's the same thing.

As far as the language issue it is good to know basic Portuguese. I learned the first time I went, in which I didn't know how to say anything, that you do need to know the basics. It will make the trip a lot easier. Other than that I love Rio but I think that it has become to touristy and too popular as far as a sex destination to the point that time you talk to people about Rio people automatically think about p@ssy. The city has a lot sex but it's about more than that. I like it to the point that I would like to buy a condo there one day when my money is really tight because some parts are really upscale.

One thing about Rio is that the majority of the women are regular women who want a relationship. It's their hookers that have made the city famous. Most of their hookers LOVE what they do. I think it's almost kind of weird that on more than one occasion it felt like the girls were f@cking me and not the other way around. I felt like I should have been getting paid. I think it's also ironic that here in America sex is so scarce and in South America sex is so available. To me it's actually misbalanced. But then again it's not the difference in women it's the difference in cultures. Their have been studies conducted and books written on Brazilian sexuality. It's that serious down there. I went to Buenos Aires recently and it was the same thing and they're not even famous for sex, but I think basically it's a South American thing. That's the conclusion that I've come to. It's sad though that more guys don't get the opportunity to see it.

I've also have ran into the "I'm mad you travel and fuck women" type of woman. I've been trying to analyze it. The conclusion I've come to is that basically women have the upper hand here in the states and when they run into a man who is basically "above" their games it aggravates them. Also, a lot of women don't get the opportunity to travel and I think there is some jealousy there. It's the same animosity that a black man recieves when he is seen with a white women. Black women get pissed the f@ck off. I think it's funny how no black woman seems to recognize that obviously there is something you ain't doing that the white woman is doing. It's not that I'm advocating it (I love women of all races), I'm just saying: tell the TRUTH and recognize your own faults. Most American women that get mad about you traveling to meet women are very closed minded. All they know about is America. I mean if a American woman went to France and met her fiance to be I personally wouldn't give a f@ck. We live in a global community now.

With a lot of American women their game is similar to a con game: When someone cons you once, twice and three times for a particular product, he feels that he has you under his thumb. But when you find the truth out and you stop buying from the con man and you buy from someone legit, the con artist actually gets mad at YOU when he was conning you all the time. He has animosity toward you like you did something wrong. It's the same thing with American women and American culture. All this you must try to talk to a woman and you must really pursue her, you must offer to take her out, you must try to get her number, you must pick the lady up, take her to a restaurant of her choice, you must take somewhere nice and it can't be to cheap, you must not expect a kiss. You must treat her like a lady etc. is basically b@llshit. What I'm trying to say is that as a whole you see a lot fake behavior and a fake dating script in America where you have some women only going out with guys for a meal. Not even having a conversation on the date. Just eating the food and then they are ready to go home. It's this type situation that's pushing men to consider women in other countries.

But to get down to the simplest reason: when men travel to meet women in other countries it basically hurts American women's self esteem because in a nutshell you're saying I'm willing to travel 6000 miles and pay $6000 for a plane ticket to get a women in a foriegn country before I would spend time with you.

Until later guys. Peace.

Your right Phil on everything you mentioned. This is true also for guys that women reject or play for a free meal. I have been a victim of this American women farce for so long that my friend from capoeira class felt sorry for me and dragged me to get a passport and visa to go to Brazil just to prove that the real losers were the American women and not me. My first true girlfriend that didn't play me was a girl I dated in Brazil for 2 months during the time in which I graduated college and was looking for a job. This trip was funded by my father who also saw how I wasn't having a good time in New York and that I didn't have my first girlfriend here in the states. In fact my father paid a hooker to take away my virginity because American women fucked around with my self esteem. I was a short and obese dude back in those years but a gorgeous Brazilian chick named Rosengela accepted my invitation for a date. I was too broke to afford the prostitutes there and I was on a budget so I stuck with this gorgeous gret woman for the full 2 months. My friend also told me, "See, you're not a loser, it's the snobby attitude of the American women." Not only was Rosengela a great girl to hang out with, but she was great at sex. She didn't even mind that I had a little college pouch or that I was a bit shorter than her by 3 inches barefoot whereas, the women in America snickered at me for asking them out.
When I came back to the states, I lost interest in American women and that's when I started getting advances from them. I chose one of them, my ex-fiance, Nury, who acted all nice and looked her best when we first met but then she pulled the bate and switch thinking that since we got engaged, she could let herself go and act bitchy, her true form and self!! She also didn't put out until the 5th date whereas Rosengela put out on the first!! This is why foreign women are so much better than women in America.
BTW, I eventually lost the gut after years of capoeira training.

Very interesting discussion, although some people could say it's biased, because it is mostly conducted by men who have a prefrerence for paid sex. But I would say that in a normal country where prostitution is cheap and affordable, at least half the men engage in it. So this is a representative discussion.

The main reason why American women don't put out is because they are tired... after working in the law office downtown for ten hours. Often they have the best intentions, but I know women who are lonely and they want a boyfriend and all they can do after work is go home and have a drink and basically pass out. Generally, I think cerebral work makes men more horny, and women more frigid. Nietzsche already said that a woman who is intellectual has something wrong with her sexuality. But in America this can't be said because everyone agrees that women must be just like men professionally... even if they aren't suited for it. (This lack of discussion is like with car accidents. Do you know how many people die in car crashes every year? Do you ever see this number discussed anywhere? No. Car companies spend a lot of money on ads. Same with women's sexuality. There is no money in it. But there is a lot of money in professional women, who have more money than they know what to do with, especially when they are single and unhappy.)

American women also don't have sex readily because it gets snuffed out in college. There is this eros thing. If you sleep with a different guy every month, after four years of this you will just want to put out in our job. I knew many college girls who were sweet and feminine at the start of it and became bitches at the end, without any romance left. The Closing of the American Mind by Allan Bloom is the book to read here.

A perhaps contradictory reason why women are cold is because they are afraid that men are just after sex. I mean, the divorce statistics in this country are very high, and America encourages paranoia, not emotional security. There are very few social security blankets here. A woman is scared of being dumped, of being taken for a hoe or a ***** if she says yes easily. So she says no, and the guy is frustrated with her, and she feels that her suspicions were justified... a vicious circle.

You make some interesting point there, m_charles. I noticed that college women are do get a lot of sex because most colleges have more men than women. Take a look at the male to female ratio in every college application, For example, Harvard has 60% men 40% women, NYU has 52% men, 48% women, not to mention engineering schools like Polytechnic Institute of Technology- 88% men, 12% women. These women can even have 3 cocks at one time at a frat party. They also are spoiled with more choices, so spoiled that they can pick the top of the litter and leave behind the nerds and geeks like I used to be. After 4 years of readily available sex, they become jaded to it and they resent sexual advances because they are sick and tired of having sex. It is like drinking Coke every day for 4 years in college and eventually you get sick of the taste. In college, American men don't think of going steady and just want sex during the time they are in college and that is all the American women meet while they are in college. Don't get me wrong, but there were a few steady that come out of college that get married. This college experience feeds the paranoia that American men are just after sex.
American men AFTER college are more likely to look for companionship but they also want sex with it. American men do not get as much sex in college as American women do. Even the geekiest of women in college could get at least one sexual encounter during the 4 years. Some men don't get any for the entire 4 years, like myself because I used to be out of shape. I was 205 lbs at 5'4". I wasn't at all attractive like I am now after a year of hard exercising at the gym so I wasn't too popular in college or high school and I never lost my virginity until after college with the funding from my father who hooked me up with a prostitute then sent me to go to Brazil, where I hooked up with a Brazilian girl for 2 months, with my friend from capoeira class. My father knows he predicament us American men face because he used to be stationed in Thailand and the Phillipines where the women are much nicer. He knew I had problems meeting American women so he funded me to lose my virginity. He was also afraid that I might turn gay if I don't get any which does happen to American men. I thank my father for saving me from that.
I think that if the problem is what you say, m_charles, the best compromise or solution for the American men and women is to have an open relationship. I think that the American woman and man should have a companionship and at the same time to sexually satisfy the American man, he should be able to go overseas to have paid sex or short term relationships with the women overseas but could mention that he's married to a wife who approves of this. Unfortunatley, American women won't go for this and they want the man to themselves yet they don't want to sexually satisfy their men. This is an impossible and unrealistic situation for a man so that is why there are many divorces in America and that is due to the selfishness of American women.

AdleZ,

Yes, you're right about ignoring American women and beating them at their own game. As soon as you are indifferent towards them, they get real worried and take it as a personal challenge if you're not acting like a 'mongoose in heat' in their divine presence. I see it over and over.

Tired of sex and burned out in Thailand? Wow! Not many guys can say that. Good for you I guess. We American guys find that pretty hard to relate. I wonder what that must be like? Hmm....

Adlez, I wish I was in your situation where i have had so much sex I don't want it anymore. In Thailand, pussy is probably in front of your face all the time. In American, especially in new York where you see more men because NYC is geared towards the professionals which is male dominated, pussy is lacking here. And to make matters worse, the former mayor Guliani took away all the sex shops and porno video shops except for a few overpriced ones. But I do agree with you on a lot of your points and this worked for me in Europe and Brazil. Instead of desperately looking for sex, I sexually satisfy myself with prostitutes then I end up looking less desperate when I approach non-pro women and I get laid again. But prostitutes aren't available in America so that strategy dosen't work here. Perhaps your strategy would work very well in this situation. If I make myself scarce to American women, I might seem mysterious.

Wow, certainly some deep thoughts and interesting points. I would have to agree in that once you have been in the Thai scene (for me it happened on my second trip) sex after the first night arriving with all of the anticipation, it is just not that much fun anymore. And going a 3rd or 4th time in a night with the same girl can even begin to feel like work instead of pleasure as you just get to a point where you just want to finish as you grow bored.

However, it keeps bringing us back in for more especially as we are bombarded by the media in the States. I think it was in this board that someone compared sex to ice cream in that we crave it, enjoy it when we have it but like all things in excess, we can get tired of it. However that being said, we always like to go back and get ice cream in due time.

I guess in the end sex is like air, it's not a big deal unless you are not getting any!

I must agree.......in a recent trip I was hitting everything I came across for the first several days, after awhile I got bored with it, it did become like work and was just not fun. I have to agree with the air statement as well......

To put it bluntly, in general, a good amount of American women look for two things, control and money. Just look at the shows on tv such as the Bachelor and the one with the construction worker posing as a millionaire. This is why American men look for foreign women. Foreign women have better attitudes, don't use sex as a weapon, and are more loyal to their man.

I don't have problems getting laid here in the States, but it is alot easier in other countries and you don't have to deal with the attitudes.

It's true Dogg, American women think they have us by the nuts by controlling us with sex. Then when they provide it to us they ask us, "What have you done for me lately?", like the Janet Jackson song. They expect something in return for sex as though they did us a favor. They also deny sex to those that can't seem to provide for them. Take that construction worker for example. If those women knew he only made $19,000 a year, they would not even look at him. They sign up for that show to win the chance to marry and divorce the "millionaire" and take half his estate once he grows old and out of shape. They aren't really interested in the guy. To the American women, he is just a love toy. The love that American women have for American men is fake and that is because their desire for money is greater than the love for the man. There should be no excuse for that in America because European or South American women are not like that.

Darkseid,

I agree with you completely. I also want to relate a humorous (or perhaps sad) story about my ex-American wife.

We had been married just a few weeks and during intercourse with her on top she exclaimed with a smile, "...I want four new chairs!" Now how's that for an American woman using sex as a control device or weapon??? As you can imagine, that was the shape of things to come.

Interestingly, last year a girl in Prague refused money from me after I took her out for dinner, a night on the town and a monster f*ck in my hotel room afterward. Hmm...

Darkseid, I guess that we were born on the wrong continent or something.

Paddy and Darkseid I'm glad to see we feel the same on the American women issue. You both are right on target. My ex-wife made be a believer in the American woman syndrome and I think that is why I will eventually hook up with a foreign woman.