American Women

Imagine raising a family for years, only to find out one day that your children are not really yours.

Imagine, after the divorce, being told by the courts that you have to continue paying financial support for these children.

One such story, told recently on NBC’s Dateline, is that of Morgan Wise, an engineer in Big Springs, Texas. Wise’s fateful discovery, several years after his divorce, was prompted by the desire to help treat his 6-year-old son for cystic fibrosis: When he took a blood test to find out which cystic fibrosis gene he carried, it turned out that he didn’t have the gene at all. Both parents have to be carriers for a child to inherit the gene.

Subsequent genetic tests showed that of the four children born to Wise’s former wife during their 13-year marriage, only the eldest was his. "I never experienced a heart attack, and I can tell you, I had one that day," Wise told Dateline. "I mean...a part of me died."
When Wise went to court asking to be relieved of the child support payments that consumed a third of his take-home pay, he was turned down. Wise was later barred from contact with all four children because he had discussed the issue of their parentage with them in violation of the judge’s order, but he still had to keep the checks coming. In January the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear Wise’s appeal.

Poor guy. It's amazing that this guy still pays child-support every month. 13 yeras marriage, three of four kids with other men, what kind of American she is!

I watched a tv report perhaps a year ago where a LA guy was presenting testimony to a state commission on child support enforcement by LA County. Turns out that one of the "children" he was required to pay child support for was a little stuffed animal that was given a name by his ex and listed as a dependent. He actually had the stuffed animal on the table next to him as he was testifying. Very scary stuff.

A man is never wronger than when he is in front of the DA on a child suport issue.

There are a lot of deadbeat dads out there. The children suffer mostly but the process is a very abusive one.

I overpaid my child support on purpose for many years for the benefit of the kids and continued to pay for two long after they were to have "dropped off."

The real kicker is that I got back almost every dime I overpaid. The court issued a refund check every month for about 6 months. I'm talking a substantial amount of money here. So, there is one happy ending to tell. Hopefully I won't see a notice from these bastards looking for the money back!

Then there's the story not too long ago about the guy who needed a passport to visit China and got grabbed for over 230K in back child support. He said the kid was not his but did not respond to the family court summons at the beginning of the case - he ignored it. Cost him a cool 230k. Jeez.

Seems American women don't want to be partners in the game of life, it's a money grab. Too bad.

Country John

I heard on the radio a while back that in a lot of places you are financially responsible for every child that comes out of your wifes womb, even if you can DNA prove that the child is not yours. Presumably the logic is that you should be aware of what your wife is up to. What BS!

Another scenario which is taking place is if you are living with a single mom and her kids and the court can prove the kids have formed a bond with you, they can make you pay child support for each kid until age 18 if the kids father is unable or unwilling to. Again, complete BS.

What is this country coming to?

I definately agree the average American woman is a money grabber. I think the most important criteria a woman uses in choosing a mate is his income. I think it supercedes looks, sexual ability, everything.

One thing I disagree with however is that women of different nationalities are that much different. I was married to a Filipina for several years, whom I met after she'd been in the country only about eight weeks. She was young and beautiful and very pleasing in bed. Excellent cook and homemaker., everything you could ask for. But she went to work and make friends with American women and women who had been in the country for a while and guess what? She started to become just like them. Wasn't long before she was a gold-digger like the rest of them.

I think it would be advantageous to marry a foreign woman if you were to live in her country. Being an American you could provide a manner of living which she would be hard pressed to find otherwise. She would undoubtably be grateful and a great wife. That's why I'm seriously considering moving overseas when I retire.

Now to clarify an earlier remark. IMHO some foreign women would be great to marry over here. My wife was only 22 when I met her and I think the younger ones are more likely to take on the same values as their American counterparts. I think if I had it to do over again and was able to choose, I would choose an older woman (maybe mid-thirties to early-forties) who had more traditional values.

Now a final remark about child support. I do believe it is necessary and that men should support their own children. I have the utmost respect for men like Country John who not only diligently pay each month but actually give extra when they can. It's just that paying for kids that are not your own that bothers me. It also bugs me that some guy making twelve dollars an hour might be paying four hundred dollars a month CS while his ex is living with some guy spending his money and doing fairly well, while the 12 dollar an hour guy is living in total poverty. Thank goodness (knock on wood), I have never been in this predicament.

Anyway, until such time as I can move overseas I am stuck with my American girlfriend who hates giving BJ's and is more interested in me everytime she sees me checking my stock portfolio. Anyone know a good prenup attorney in Seattle?

Civ2K

I recently went to the Dominican Rep. and went out to a club and met a nice chica. By the 2nd date this woman was completely head over heels for me. Alll i did was take her out for dinner, treat herr well in the sack and give her a present and she was grateful. I had a blast with her it was romantic, sexy and a complete GFE. She was literally in tears as I kissed her goodbye and it felt good to have that reaction after all the indifference here in the States.

I thought about how many times I've done handstands to try and get an American woman to barely even acknowledge my presence. It is brutal out there. Now a little about me. I live in Manhattan, work as a consultant, have earned anywhere from 60k to 90k on the avg. over the last 4 years, have average looks, a great pad in the village, I am in good physical shape and am in my late 30's.

I have been blown off, cut down, ignored and avoided for the last 6 to 8 years by American women. Granted, I am somewhat picky. I am not going to hang with a girl if she is not sexy in one way or another. And believe me when this is a standard it removes a vast number of women from the pool in NYC. There are droves of down and out, lifeless, out of shape New York women who head to their office jobs to do their grunt work. So remove them from the pool narrow the age group to 23 to 36 and then you really narrow it down.

With these women that remain you have seen the Sex and the City effect take hold on women. They are so concerned what other women will think of a new guy. There are so many publicized horror stories about guys that we have to overcome every hurdle in the book because there is so much negativity and roadblocks built into these women.

One other effect of Sex and the City and the Media is that, and to this point I disagree with a lot of opinions here, I think that physicality is extremely important to NYC women especially with the younger crowd. If you dont at least resemble a Calvin Klein model, if you're not thin and at least 6' 2" with a full head of hair youve really got your work cut out for you. I dont think a lot of the younger chicks really care about money all that much. They just want a guy who has poster-like looks. A dude who loooks like James Dean or Brad Pitt will do very well here. Otherwise you will spend, spend spend, kiss ass, call, give presents, submit to their will and maybe you might someday take a chick to bed. But you will pay pay pay.

Here is what i posted in another forum before i saw this one.
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Well here it is . . . another shitty New Years Eve in New York City.

Each and every one of you with a lovely Latina should kiss the ground you'll walk on tonight.

I am going to a wine and cheese party tonight with a bunch of spoken-for, spoiled, complicated yet predictable, and more often than not uptight New York Women.

This is the last year gentlemen. Mister Smooth be flyin south next ano.

I read the story about Morgan Wise presented by supertomcat001 and got a bit shocked.

The story presents the law strange: the law puts responsibility on the person who did NOT do anything wrong and who did NOT have control over the situation. It does not look right to me. I undersatand that those who brake the law should be persecuted. Or, that a person who drives while being drunk should be fined. Or, a man who makes a girl pregnant should be financially responsible for his child.

In this situation the court is just looking for an escape goat. And the former husband is the closest one. And available: it might be hard to find the real father(s). This is not good.

I believe the law should some protection mechanism for men in such situations because, I bet, such cases happen more often than one wants to think (it was occasionally discovered). It, actually, will make women think twice before doing bad things.

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”No person – no problem” (c) Joseph V. Stalin

Civ2000 wrote:

"I heard on the radio a while back that in a lot of places you are financially responsible for every child that comes out of your wifes womb, even if you can DNA prove that the child is not yours. Presumably the logic is that you should be aware of what your wife is up to. What BS!"

I wish I were wrong, but the logic could be: someone has to pay.

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”No person – no problem” (c) Joseph V. Stalin

Mister Smooth,

Excellent report. I'm compelled to agree with virtually everything you said. It's the same here in Chicago with Milwaukee being worse. We have the same problems as NYC but here the women are very fat and it's so common that it's rather acceptable.

Your lady in the DR sounds like a dream come true. Good for you and for her. I recently returned from Manchester, England. The SW's were great (BBBJ the norm). What really grabbed me, however, was how friendly and warm the non-working girls were. It was a totally different environment. Ladies there go to actually meet men at pubs and don't seem to play the game of how many guys can I put down tonight while I smugly puff on my cigarette. I was standing alone at a pub in Manchester and four girls asked me to come over and sit down with them??? They were all very nice looking and very sweet. One other night, ladies were buying me drinks??? On another evening I met a girl named Nikkola whom I spent a lot of time with and when the pub closed at 2:00 AM she kissed me goodby for about 10 minutes. We almost went for it right there on the floor! Could you imagine something like this happening in the states? It would be great if the the WSG had a thread dealing with helping American guys relocate to countries where the women appreciate guys. What do you think?

No doubt about it Mr. Smooth, you and I are in the wrong country. And what's worse is that American guys see this as the norm.

Whoa! I had no idea about the non-biologically-related child support thing. That truly sucks. :( There's this elderly guy -- Earl -- who hangs out at a bar I go to once a week. He lamented in an alcohol-drenched stupor that "America's f----d up because the American FAMILY'S f----d up! *Hic!*"

I wonder if foreign women are influenced by what is portrayed in American entertainment overseas (TV shows, movies, celebrities, etc.). I'd have to agree with Civ that it would be better to live with a foreign woman in her own country. But right now, I like the foreign GFE that mister_smooth mentions. It's nice, clean-cut "summer love".

Either way, though, it seems like money's the central focus here in America. Most AW seem not only to play for instant financial gratification, but also for those guys they meet whom they think show the greatest financial potential. This is why I like The Way of the Monger. Everything's right out on the table. None of that fancy-restaurant, pricey-bar, pricey-disco, pricey-club crap which will still result in less than Vegas odds of bumping uglies.

The other day I was out puttering about. As I saw one particular bevy of babes, my wacky mind went and morphed their clothes into baggy crotchety ol' prospector gold-digger gear, complete with pans, packs and picks. I couldn't stifle the laugh. :)

AW want the money, the power, the prestige ... and all without lifting a finger. Lately, I've noticed a trend where AW talk up their soft sides with the caveat "but must know how to show a woman a good time." What's that? Sounds like the clink of picks.

Eureka!

-- L.

I'd quit working, go on welfare and move into a $300 a month room before I'd pay for kids that weren't mine.

I live in Atlanta and one thing that I do know is that in America each state is almost like it's own country in that people from different states act different from another. I mean compare a New York City raised individual to a Omaha raised individual: 2 totally different individuals both born in the same country. With that said I believe that there are some cities that are more advantageous sexually than others. Being from the south I could never live in New York City because even the men have fucked up attitudes so I know the women are fucked up. I would NEVER fuck with a girl from New York City because it seems like people go to "Asshole School" up there to become more refined assholes. Not to offend any New Yorkers here I'm just saying the people treat you like shit so I know the women ain't shit. Where as in other parts of the nation the people are more care free like in Florida!! Not to say that the women there are just totally better. They have some idiots too. My point is just that certain cities IMHO are places to totally avoid when it comes to having a normal relationship with a woman i.e. New York City being one of them.

phil, I'm not looking to argue but have to say something. I'm from New York City and have since lived in 5 other major American cities and a few pit stops in some small towns. The women I've met have been pretty much the same in all the cities. Not all New Yorkers are assholes and I've found that that they tend to be some of the most true and honest people I've known. They're just not into sugar coating and saying shit just to be nice. I grew up there from 67-85 and would not trade that experience for anything. I'm a simple, 'chill', easy to get along with guy. Sure, I can pull out my New York wiseass routine when i feel like it, just as much as some midwestern guy can pull his cowboy act. If you judge New Yorker's by the ones who have moved to Boca Raton and give thier kids brand new cars the day they get thier license and live to complain about every little thing, sure you'll get a distatste for them. Luckiily, that's just a small sampling of them. There are some very cool people from N.Y.C. and the whole metropolitan area. Trust me on that. If I had a ton of money, I'd likely spend at least 3 moths a year in Manhattan.

Phil and Cali, I kind of agree with you both. I've been all over the country and find that women are pretty much the same wherever you go, though not being a native New Yorker I believe I would have a difficult time meeting a woman in NYC. On the other hand I have been to both Lincoln and Omaha Nebraska and those two cities gets my vote (hands down) as having absolutely the friendliest women in the United States. If I was in a contest where I had a month to find a nice girlfriend and could choose between Lincoln and Manhatten; Lincoln would win easily. However, if I could spend three months of my life wherever I wanted in the U. S. I would pick New York. I could easily see myself living there a few months a year myself if my finances permitted it.

Civ2K

Mr. Smooth,

We have got to have a drink next time I am in the city. You are so on point about New York Hos. They are spoiled and pretentious. I do think that looks matter to all of them including the old ones who have money. They like boy toys. I admit to being rather lucky in some aspects because I was good looking and in shape during my years there but I still like a woman who WANTS a man not an ATM card or new shoes or someone to just show the girls. They ALL act like their pussy is God's gift. Even the ugly ones!! But I can substitute Los Angeles and other big city chicks also. I am out of the country now but back to America soon. I will try my best to fuck stupid girls with great tits. The American way ha ha!

Speaking from experience.

I was born and educated in New York City. Met and married a woman in Denmark in my late 20’s. Have lived here for nearly 28 yrs. I can tell from my long experience, European women are great compared to their sisters in the US and they are also b****es.

Yes, many (especially the 20 something) are very much influenced by the printed media, film, TV etc. When I moved here in 1976, I saw very few overweight women. Many bicycled as a necessity and for leisure. There were only 2 pizza restaurants in the city. No family burger restaurants, no famous ice cream stores, just 1 national B&W TV station and 3 national radio stations.

I don’t have to explain how technology has changed Europe which has become very Americanised with American culture for good and worse. Many of you have visited European cities so you know what I mean.

Women though have changed since I moved here. Sexually, they are still better (liberated) than American women. Materialistically, they have inherited what they see and read daily because the world has grown smaller the past 20 years.

I know 5 other expats from the mid-west to the east coast. All have been divorced from their first Danish wives. Another is just recently divorced from his second Danish wife. My five friends have remarried again to other Danish women. A seventh just moved back home after 12 yrs. struggling here divorced, no job, on welfare etc. He is a loser so we’re glad he’s gone. I am the only one still married to first wife. However, it is not good for several reasons which I will not bore you with.

Actually, I am looking forward to retiring in S. Florida during the cold, dark winter months here in Denmark to ride a Harley. Drive a convertible, basically try to enjoy myself which I couldn’t do the last 25 yrs. The wife does not want to live in the US for more than 3 weeks yearly. She says Florida has no culture. She’s a Dane with a capital “D”.

It’s not easy to learn another language fluently to become a part of and contribute to a foreign society. Even so, how would you like to pay 25% sales tax on all goods, 180% excise tax on new cars (buy 1 pay for 3). I have PAID for 18 cars since 1983. An entry level Harley costs $47-48K. Gasoline costs $1.20 a liter (the dollar has fallen 30% in 20 months). Withholding taxes amt. to approx. 42-65% depending on earnings. Are you asking why I stay?. I have my own business. We live in a nice apt. and have a summer house. I go “home” once or twice yearly. No, I am not rich, wealthy, whatever adjective you choose. My business should be better. I stay because I have freedom. Freedom to be with another woman (SW) whom I’m extremely fond of because she gives me the GFE I don’t get at home and need so much. Freedom to travel to Florida and DR this Easter and Beijing this summer alone.

I really feel for the guys posting here about their own experiences or others how the US courts have financially destroyed American men in alimony or custody cases. I hear CA lawyers are not particularly popular except for gold digging women. The courts in Denmark are not so penalizing. Average law suit for whatever reason or fault about $10-30K.

However, I must admit living here in Copenhagen is not all that bad. Danes love to speak english, love to travel to the US. Denmark, Netherlands and GB are probably the best European countries for expats to live in. Many elderly Danes still praise US forces in WW II for their efforts.

BTW, Denmark is the ONLY country outside of the USA observing Fourth of July Independence Day Celebration Party in the western part of this country with prominent guest speakers f.ex. Colin Powell, military band and other entertainment. It’s been a tradition now for over 50 years. It’s not the whole country but a group of several thousand Danes and Americans getting together for the observance.

Some of you have mentioned a desire to move out of the US. You can forget about Europe unless you are married to a European and can prove you can provide the basic daily necessities or get a job with European placement. There are so many 3rd. world immigrants flooding Europe the past 10-15 yrs. because of UN policies, laws have been passed restricting living and work permits.

IMHO, I think some American men should try to find a Russian, East European or latina woman instead of countless failings with American women. I think those women can provide the happiness you are searching for. I have considered this as a possibility if divorce occured.

HAPPY HUNTING for that great lay and search for love.

I'd have to agree with NYC Expat that Europe is becoming "Americanized" through my experience in Ireland. The Irish chicks have been watching shows like "Friends" for years and the culture seems to be merging with America in a number of ways; the music, fashion, Hollywood mania, capitalism, consumerism etc.

Its funny that last night I went out to a local bar and there were at least 4 girls in the bar who were going for a Paris Hilton look - ratty died blonde hair, tons of makeup, slutty 70's skirts and high heels. Of course there were 5 really hot girls and about 30 guys in the bar. I guess trends come and go. Now we need Paris Hilton to endorse uninhibited free spirited sex experiences with older men as the "in thing" and we'll all be in good shape in the States!

BTW, I am making my first trip to SA and need to decide between Brazil and Argentina. Last night, a friend endorsed Brazil as the place to go for a first timer. What do you think?

TIA.