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Jackson I feel it's important you waive your rules about FULL CAPS and allow fellow mongers get a true flavor of the feelings of this AW provider. This is her response to ladies lowering their prices in the Atlanta area. I'd really like to hear your comments about this.
The lady is Ashleigh in Atlanta
HEY, AS PROVIDERS OF A MUCH NEEDED SERVICE IN ATLANTA, WHY DO THE
LADIES ON HERE FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO LOWER THEIR RATES AND STANDARDS JUST TO GET MONEY, THEN COMPLAIN WHEN THE PROVIDERS ARE STILL TRYING TO ONLY SPEND $50.00?
WE SHOULD NOT LOWER OURSELVES TO DOING 1 HOUR INCALL APPOINTMENTS FOR $100.00. I FEEL THAT THERE IS NO LADY ON THIS SITE (FREE OR NOT) THAT SHOULD CHARGE LESS THAN $150.00 FOR AN INCALL APPOINTMENT. YOU SEE THE PROVIDERS ON EROS AND *** ADVERTISING FOR $200 AND UP AND ARE RECEIVING THE REQUESTED RATES, WHY, BECAUSE THEY NO HOW TO TELL A CLIENT NO I AM NOT GOING THAT LOW. LADIES, STOP TRYING TO UNDER CUT THE NEXT MARY, JANE, OR SUE, IF ALL OF US UNITE AND STICK TO A CERTAIN RATE, THE HOBBYIST WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PAY THE RATE WE SET.
TO SAY YOU ARE DOING 15 MINUTES FOR $50 MEANS YOU SHOULD BE DOING 1 HOUR FOR $200.00 LOGICALLY. 30 MINUTES IS $100 AND 45 IS $150. LET'S STICK TO OUR GUNS, THERE ARE SOME VERY PRETTY WOMEN IN ATLANTA, WHO POST ON HERE, IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU ARE ONLY WORTH $50, GO STROLL METROPOLITAN AND LEAVE THE UPSCALE RATES HERE SO THAT THE UPSCALE CLIENTS WILL PAY WHAT YOU ARE WORTH.
WE SHOULDN'T BE SO QUICK TO CALL THE HOBBYIST CHEAP WHEN WE ARE GIVING OURSELVES AWAY (I KNOW I LOVE TO SHOP FOR SALES PRICES) AND $100 FOR ANY 1 HOUR APPOINTMENT IS SALES PRICES. IT'S OK TO RUN SPECIALS DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT WHY WOULD A PERSON SPEND $150 ON A GOOD QUALITY PROVIDER WHO WILL TREAT HIM THE WAY HE WANTED TO BE TREATED WHEN "SALLY" WILL ONLY CHARGE HIM $100. WITH THAT $100 COMES A RUSH SERVICE TO GET THE NEXT $100 CUSTOMER IN. (NOT TO MENTION THAT SHE MAY HAVE BAD REVIEWS ON ***, OR HAS HAD TO CHANGE HER PROVIDER NAME BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS SHE'S A CON OR GIVES TERRIBLE SERVICE.) THEN HE WILL TALK BAD ABOUT THE PROVIDER WHEN HE GOT WHAT HE PAID FOR.
SO LET'S MAKE IT EASY ON EVERYBODY, PROVIDERS STOP LOWERING YOUR DONATIONS JUST TO GET SOMEONE IN THE DOOR, AND HOBBYIST STOP BEING SO CHEAP, AND IF YOU DO FEEL THE NEED TO BE CHEAP, STOP TALKING ABOUT THE PROVIDER IF THE SERVICE SUCKED BECAUSE YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR.
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Artisttype,
Asian American women do follow the same path and many do not date Asian guys. They too become prudes because of feminism and New York City has the highest rate of feminists. Just as the Western women have a hard time dating in Asian countries, the Asian men are just as unwanted in New York City. Asian women think Asian American men are usually of lower status (both careerwise and "size-wise"). Unfortunately for the Aisan culture there is no partner dancing nor the Afro-dance vibe, which I also like because I can breakdance to it but can't disprove the stereotype with it though, unlike partner dancing. That's why I love partner dancing much more because I get to feel up the girl and she gets to feel me up.
I used to go to these social events in the city but the ratio is not so favorable for the guys. The women:men ratio in these clubs is 1:10 and the clubs are sausage factories so I no longer go to NYC clubs. It seems the more competition for these women, the more these women get snobbish and the sausage factory even fight for fat chicks. There was even an article published in the newspaper of 2 men fighting for a fat chick (and this chick is ugly and fat) and one shooting the other for her. I, too, got into bar and club fights when I was younger and competing for women. Even when I beat the guy up, she goes to another guy who snatches her up or she causes another fight. And some of these women find this amusing and flattering. If statistics say there are more women than men in New York City, don't believe it. This ploy is only to attract more men for unwanted fat and old women (Yes, the "more women" are actually old or fat undateable ladies. These stats don't say how many are actually doable or dateable.) It seems the more competition for their twat, the higher they price their pussy. Eastern Europe, South America and Asia (except China which is also a sausage factory due to the fact they want boys as their only child with the one child law so women :men ratio is 1:3) are the cure for the sausage factory blues of NYC because those countries have a higher women:men ratio. Even 1:1 women:men is much better than 1:10. Now I don't even bother with NYC chicks because there are more chicks available in other continents.
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Darkseid, I am so happy I don't live in the US with those fat cows they call women over there. The rest of the world still has a major edge, I get 8 weeks a year to travel the world, usually Europe and South America when I get bored in Ozzie. A lot of my Australian friends watch Jerry Springer and they immediately feel a lot better knowing that most Australian women are not THAT OBNOXIOUS.
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On Asian women
Hey darkseid, I feel your pain man.
Listen, the race card is played differently in different regions of the country. I grew up in NYC as a kid/ young teenager and then in Miami, Florida. I now live in Los Angeles, California where the race card definitely comes into play in a total different fashion as it does in the east coast, particularly the southeast coast region.
I think that being Asian / Asian-American in California would be a big (if not huge) plus for you. I try to steer clear of discussing race in this forum given its sensitive nature and the fact that the main purpose of this site is to provide info in the P4P scene and in bashing AW. However, race does play a detrimental role in terms of getting any type of play with AW / Americanized-Women in this country. I can tell you from what I've seen that as an Asian (the same goes for Whites), you would have much better prospects in dating Asian women and AW than do males from other races. Believe it or not!! I notice how much more appeal Asian men have with both, Asian women and AW than say, me, given that I'm hispanic of non-Mexican descent (this puts me in the bottom of the appeal list).
Stereotypes do play out in CA, however, for Asian males, they come out in a positive light. Intelligence is probably the most popular one and this ofcourse is interpretted as a potential for being a high-salaried career professional. I think this is a very good thing, I personally don't take it in a bad way, why should I? I read in an article recently that the standard of living has declined for all minorities in the U.S. except for Asians, for whom it has actually raised significantly. AW know this. It is also much more likely for Asians to be hired along with Whites for most positions available in CA anyway. And AW know this too. They know this very well.
So I definitely recommend you give California a try. I can only speak for Southern California as I'm not familiar with the Northern California setting. Granted, you have Asian communities from all of the Orient here. I'm not sure how the intra-racial relations play out given my very limited exposure to the Asian communities, but I suspect they are good for the most part. I've never heard of anyone being against someone else because they're Korean or Japanese or Filipino........ This does happen in the latino community (Mexicans vs non-Mexicans) but this is an entirely different can of beans. I agree with you, Nevada seems to be the exception to the rule in the West coast.
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[quote=Cyberdas]... given that I'm hispanic of non-Mexican descent (this puts me in the bottom of the appeal list)...[/quote]
If you think you're at the bottom of the appeal list then try being an African-American (it's kinda funny, because some people out there hate our asses and aren't even sure why - go figure).
I will vouch for what you say about the Southern California scene, however. I never had so much pussy in my life (with the exception of being overseas of course). I think what happens is that on the East coast folks believe a person has to conform to a certain group or belong to a "type". If you don't fit into any category then people don't know what to do with you. On the West coast things were different for me: there's already a million freaks over there so nobody notices one more. As a result, some things which would be held against a guy over here in the East end up not really being "disqualifying" factors in the West (at least this was my experience). This means a man can feel a little more free to relax and just be himself instead of having to have the right looks/income/demographic/clique/whatever (or getting pigeonholed into some category whether or not it even applies).
Of course I could be off the mark, but that was my experience.
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Geographic Differences
Interestingly (and this may just be my mistaken perception), but where I live (hilbilly hellhole) it seems that the Hispanic and African American guys are getting all the poon. I have heard and do believe that the primary causation for this is that the redneck racist attitudes of the preceding generation, causes a fetishization of the "forbidden fruit".
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[QUOTE=Cyberdas] I'm hispanic of non-Mexican descent (this puts me in the bottom of the appeal list).[/QUOTE]Cyberdas, this is a new racial/nationality concept for me. Although I know this sounds bad, I did not know there was a level below hispanic Mexicans. In southern South America & the Caribbean, I´m sure that racial hierarchies and prejudices exist between black, white, and indian/mestizo hispanics that live there.
But in the USA most hispanics are indians. Are you saying that, for instance, a Mexican indian looks down on a Peruvian or Ecuadorian indian? When I lived in the US I worked and hung out with lots of hispanics (mostly Mexicans) and I never heard or witnessed anything like this.
In Argentina, where I live, it seems that indians are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder regardless of their nationality. Blacks here seem to have a high social status because they are so rare and people often assume that black guys are foreign soccer stars or actors. Several Argentine girls have told me that they fantasize about nailing a black guy.
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[QUOTE=Bart9000]Interestingly (and this may just be my mistaken perception), but where I live (hilbilly hellhole) it seems that the Hispanic and African American guys are getting all the poon. I have heard and do believe that the primary causation for this is that the redneck racist attitudes of the preceding generation, causes a fetishization of the "forbidden fruit".[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty interesting point, Bart (I wonder if it doesn't have anything to do with the popularity which urban culture has enjoyed for the past decade or so). I think it pretty much illustrates Cyberdas's point about geographical variances in AW attitudes.
Now that I think about it, some time ago someone in this very forum commented on how AW's in areas near places like Mexico tend to have slightly less bitchy attitudes when compared to their counterparts elsewhere in the states. From my experience in San Diego it seemed as if the women there were very aware that they had real competition (both pro and non-pro) just across the border. I wonder how true that may or may not be for other parts of the country?
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forbiden fruit
I actually picked up on that hypothesis from "Dr Drew" on the "Lovelines" radio program. On that program, an incidence came up that the child of a homicide detective, who was shown gruesome pictures growing up in an attempt to keep him out of the "family business" instead actually gave the kid some necrophilliac tendencies. I took the hypothesis one step further to explain the behavior I'm seeing. That actually kind of makes sense from an evolutionary biology standpoint-Group X cannot stand Group Y and would like to exterminate them. However, Group X's children grow up highly sexually attracted to group Y, thus detering genocide and perpetuating the species or whatever. Sort of a cosmic joke too.
This incidently also may in part help explain my favorite phenomena the "bad boy loser" thing......"You stay away from rotten little Johnny...his Mom is a drunk, and his ne'er do well father beats her.....". Mommy and Daddy hated him so much that I had to sleep with him.
The popularity of urban culture is probably also a factor.
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Clarity
I knew that I was going to set off the wrong vibes by most post. I really didn't mean anything bad by it although it could've come off as such. I hope I didn't offend anyone as I didn't have intentions in doing so. What I was trying to expose was the different racial-related discrepancies/ differences/ tensions that exist in different regions of the U.S. and how this comes into play in terms of landing AW/Americanized Women.
Unfortunately a lot of tension and friction among the same minority groups do more often than not exist. It has been my experience (and probably mine only) so I could be wrong. I also want to add that I don't have anything against anyone as I have friends/ coleagues/ coworkers/ etc.. from all walks of life. I like learning and experiencing new and different things from other cultures / races and what have you that are different from mine.
Smut Villain, I totally understand your point of view; I could only imagine how hard that must be. I also agree with you about there already being a million freaks out here. Hell, no doubt I could be one of them..he.he..he.. I also agree about the differences in disqualifying factors from one coast or region to the other. For me, my experience has been the inverse of yours as I had an ok time getting pussy in the east coast.
The thing about AW in San Diego is very true as I can personally atest to that. I have some buddies who are in the Navy so ocassionally I hang out with them in San Diego. Having Tijuana virtually down the street does ease off a lot of tension in the club / socializing scenes because alternatives exists. The pressure is not so strong because we know where we can go anytime of the day for some action. Believe it or not, a lot of guys don't know this (regarless of their proximity to the border), don't know how to go about doing it or would prefer to pander to AW and thus go through the painful and often deceitful rituals. Can the same be said of the areas bordering the French-speaking Canadian regions?
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[quote=Cyberdas]I knew that I was going to set off the wrong vibes by most post. I really didn't mean anything bad by it although it could've come off as such. I hope I didn't offend anyone as I didn't have intentions in doing so. What I was trying to expose was the different racial-related discrepancies/ differences/ tensions that exist in different regions of the U.S. and how this comes into play in terms of landing AW/Americanized Women.[/quote]
Judging from the responses so far it doesn't sound as if anyone's offended. And if they are - so what? Race is like a big elephant sitting in the middle of the living room, but nobody's trying to talk about it. It's there and very real, but (because it can sometimes be ugly) nobody wants to offend anyone else so we don't say anything. The problem with this approach is that nothing gets done about a tangible problem which affects everything around us, even (and sometimes especially) mongering and relations with the opposite sex.
The first step in overcoming an issue is to acknowledge its' existence. Your post was just an example of acknowledging reality.
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Bart,
Is that hill-billy hell hole up North? I have seen a few redneck chicks with African American and Hispanic guys down South but not that many, I think it is more common up North. Usually the couples tend to be teenagers, so perhaps they have moved away from the "old" way of thinking.
While on this topic I'll mention something that I've noticed. There are AWs out there who are getting knocked up by Mexican illegals and then finding out that they can't sue them for child support since they can't legally work in the US. Is it possible that AWs are having the tables turned on them? I know of one case where the AW tried to get the illegal alien father of her child deported to Mexico and she was told by immigration authorities that they needed several illegals in one area to made a raid worth their while. Apparently, you can safely deal with an AW if you have no social security number, no visible source of income and don't legally exist in the eyes of the government.
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Chocha
I live in the northernmost part of the northernmost southern state-Indiana. Along the shore of lake Michigan, (away from the expensive beachfront of course), there are dense groupings of African Americans and Hispanics (mostly Mexicans and a few Puerto Ricans). The rest of the state is cracker hell-might as well be Mississippi.
I posted on your other topic a while back. I had noticed that a lot of "low grade" caucasian AW (uneducted, fat, ugly, low IQ, low class...) were pairing up with "regular guy" hispanic nationals. I'm guessing there is a perceived difference in status (or possibly it could be imigration issues) from the hispanic guys that makes the fugly AW attractive to them. I do work with some of these guys, and have seen them lusting after AW.....I tell them "No No No....Americano Senorita' estes no bueno....estes muy gordo....punta......." (compremiso spelling-I'm self taught)
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I've been to Indiana before so I know exactly what you're talking about. Lots of corn and lots of caucasians. I'm inclined to believe that the Hispanic guys are hooking up with AWs because of the novelty of white snapper. It can't be migratory issues because it appears that they are smart enough not to get married in most cases. I have noticed that our South American brothers have a fascination with blonds (rubias) often without consideration of weight or looks. They always seem to ask about them when I'm in SA. I don't understand how they can be so crazy over whales just because they have blond hair and blue eyes, but they can have them all as long as I get the hot Latinas.
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Asian Guys
Darkseid,
I am surprise that you say Asian women don't date Asian men. I have noticed over the past 10-15 years that many White women wer married to or dating Asian men. I had assumed is it was because the ratio of men to women in some Asian countries (China and India) is very high, and the men had to find non-Asian women to marry, in addition to White women not wanting to make compromises with White men when there were Asian men available who were more "desperate" and therefore less demanding.
But after reading what you wrote, it seems that some Asian men go with White women because Asian women won't go with them. I am very surprised by that. Who do Asian women date? I have rarely seen Asian women with non-Asian men. All of the mixed couples I have seen involved Filipinas with military guys. I know that Russel Simmons, the founder of Def Jam Records, is married to a former Filipina model. Tiger Woods' mother is Thai. I think the mother of the Tilly sisters, the actresses, is Japanese. And of course, John Lennon married a Japanese women. But these are 4 examples out of 1 BILLION Chinese and Indian women!
[QUOTE=darkseid]
Asian American women do follow the same path and many do not date Asian guys. They too become prudes because of feminism and New York City has the highest rate of feminists. Just as the Western women have a hard time dating in Asian countries, the Asian men are just as unwanted in New York City. Asian women think Asian American men are usually of lower status (both careerwise and "size-wise"). [/QUOTE]