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[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1303351]You see it all the time in NYC. Usually ethnic groups trapped in a nordic world stick to themselves. They don't need the stresses that the white man brings. Most times their culture is more civilized than what is presented to them in daily nordic life. Latin people in NYC tend to be attracted to other latin people and rarely mix. I don't blame them. They have a good looking race and their own culture.
IMO people don't like to mix as much as we are made to believe. The "melting pot" is a lie. The "money pot" is more like it.
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* Walking up to strange women in manhattan is nuts. I give you credit. Your practice will pay off when you travel to more a civilized dating scene. BRAVO.[/QUOTE]Um, do you know what "Nordic" means? If not, here is a link: [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nordic?s=t&ld=1032.[/url] For the record: the white people in America come from lots of other places than Nordic countries. (Look them up. Don't take my word for it.) Of the Latin American countries: If they were such civilized places, then why don't they stay there? It reminds me of Chinese people waffling on and on about the innate superiority of Chinese culture- and yet they have the largest diaspora of any race of people on the face of the planet. (There are some qualifications to this statement, but I digress.)
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782; 1303545]Um, do you know what "Nordic" means? If not, here is a link:
[url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nordic?s=t&ld=1032.[/url]
For the record: the white people in America come from lots of other places than Nordic countries. (Look them up. Don't take my word for it.) Of the Latin American countries: If they were such civilized places, then why don't they stay there? It reminds me of Chinese people waffling on and on about the innate superiority of Chinese culture- and yet they have the largest diaspora of any race of people on the face of the planet. (There are some qualifications to this statement, but I digress.) [/QUOTE]Very true. I am "white" but not nordic. I thought using the term nordic would sound less crude. However in this politically correct world maybe not.
My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1303598]My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".[/QUOTE]This is not necessarily true. From the mid nineties to about 2005, many educated European girls migrated to the US and quickly realized they were socially trapped in the promised land. There male counter parts were not desirable because they had yet no footings in life (less than 10 years post communism) and were forced into the world of manual labor. The girls mixed quickly with American guys and were more quick to break American social controls of age.
You guys are making weird comparisons as if a white wall street banker wants anything to due with an uneducated Columbian freshly arrived in America. Unless, of course, she is very hot and twenty years younger. (Smiley)
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[quote=jhack111;1303523]while people might generally follow stereotypical patterns with respect to status, race, religion, age etc, it doesn't mean that one can't get lucky! the chances are way better than for those foolish people who are trying to win the lottery week by week. so, i'd say to lugalzaggizi. keep on going. no harm in trying.[/quote]you stated it yourself "people [b]generally[/b] follow stereotypical patterns" that's all i was saying.
we are speaking in generalities here. of course there are exceptions to every rule.
shit i was fucking milf's when i was in my 20's. but i wouldn't have dated them. they were booty calls. we went places. my peers didn't go or hers. but that was about fucking. and most women. again speaking in generalities. think / want relationship not fuck buddies.
i too as i stated in my earlier post. agreed if lugalzaggizi keeps it up. sooner or later. he will find a babe who will say yes.
its just most guys don't want to take that day in and day out rejection. if he can handle it. which it appears he can. i say keep on keeping on.
i don't know if you guys ever heard of "ugly george". he used to walk manhattan and would convince women to strip for him on the spot while he video them. so if he could do that. i'm sure lugalzaggizi. will get a number.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/nyregion/thecity/10ugly.html[/url]
[quote]mr. urban was no ordinary ladies' man. he was known as ugly george, and he roamed manhattan in an open-chested silver vest and short-shorts, wearing a huge silver backpack full of early videotaping gear. he approached women in the street and tried to wheedle them into the broom closets of midtown office buildings. (his trademark come-on was, "let's flex into a dimly lit hallway.") then he coaxed them, camera rolling, into taking off their clothes. he also sometimes persuaded them to go to his apartment, a crimson-sheeted basement lair.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1303598]My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".[/QUOTE]I agree with you totally Artist. Try talking to some Ethiopians and you will gain no ground. I am able to penetrate some cultures because I speak certain languages. But the average American guy would be shit out of luck unless he encounters a girl in such a situation that Climax has described - one who feels she can move up on the social ladder by being with the guy, which as you said is their primary reason for being here in the first place - Money/Status. If they can do it without the American guy that will be their first choice. But if they realize their chances of "success" may be increased then they will date out of the community. [QUOTE=Climaxnow;1303608]From the mid nineties to about 2005, many educated European girls migrated to the US and quickly realized they were socially trapped in the promised land. There male counter parts were not desirable because they had yet no footings in life (less than 10 years post communism) and were forced into the world of manual labor. The girls mixed quickly with American guys...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1303668]If they can do it without the American guy that will be their first choice.[/QUOTE]Absolutely.
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[QUOTE=Lugalzaggizi;1303534]I believe the sex workers are attracted to my fit swimmer's build, but I have no way of knowing for certain due to the fact I am paying them.[/QUOTE]Try not paying them and see what happens, Lugal.
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[QUOTE=D Cups;1303742]Try not paying them and see what happens, Lugal.[/QUOTE]But then again, does it really matter? If you get a good fuck out of it, do you really need to explore the true motivation? Good sex remains good sex, whether you pay for or not!
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1303598]Very true. I am "white" but not nordic. I thought using the term nordic would sound less crude. However in this politically correct world maybe not.
My point about different ethnic groups and dating is that most stick to their own culture when they arrive to america. You don't see them suffering the ills of dating that americans do. They go into a tight nit community and choose from that pool of potential mates.
People come here to make money. Not to assimilate into an american lifestyle. Otherwise you would see more "mixing".[/QUOTE]Well, if you live a certain place you can't help but doing some assimilation. So, I have lived in China for about 9 years now. And even though I don't live like a Chinese man (spitting on the floor indoors / wife beating / not knowing how to hold a toothbrush / general lack of manners / lying about everything under the sun) , there are some aspects of Chinese culture to which I've become accustomed (learning how to haggle / learning how to properly read meanings from subtext / eating at barbeques / outdoor restaurants / learning to take the bus). If you live around some people, you can't help but imitate some of the things that they do as the best solution to extant problems. But how many people say to themselves: "I am going to go to China so that I can spit on the floor indoors / on the bus" the same way that they say "I am going to go to America and eat 3 meals a day at oddly spaced intervals and become morbidly obese?"
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[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1303668]I agree with you totally Artist. Try talking to some Ethiopians and you will gain no ground. I am able to penetrate some cultures because I speak certain languages. But the average American guy would be shit out of luck unless he encounters a girl in such a situation that Climax has described - one who feels she can move up on the social ladder by being with the guy, which as you said is their primary reason for being here in the first place - Money/Status. If they can do it without the American guy that will be their first choice. But if they realize their chances of "success" may be increased then they will date out of the community.[/QUOTE]Ethiopian? Well, if you have a stomach for black women and you want light skin. How many light skinned black be. It. Ches have you already passed over from the United States? If you are a man who is interested in black women, then you have a lot to choose from- even discounting for the premium that goes for light skinned women. (I've never given a second thought to Ethiopians or Eritreans. Or any black women for that matter. But I am aware that the market is there.)
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[QUOTE=Clandestine782;1303917]Ethiopian? Well, if you have a stomach for black women and you want light skin. How many light skinned black be. It. Ches have you already passed over from the United States? If you are a man who is interested in black women, then you have a lot to choose from- even discounting for the premium that goes for light skinned women. (I've never given a second thought to Ethiopians or Eritreans. Or any black women for that matter. But I am aware that the market is there.)[/QUOTE]Well I am black from the United States but I think you have missed the meaning of Artist's post because you have replied off topic in your last 2 posts.
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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1302897]I disagree that it is "merely a financial thing". Certainly many EE women are driven by that, but that is mostly in the P4P sector (which includes a whole range of options from hard-core pros to semi-pros to college girls who want pretty clothes). But the other part of "needy" for them is the availability (or lack thereof) of suitable men for dating, relationships and sex. They are not being chased the way American beauties (and even dogs) are, so they are less secure about their own value and value a "nice" western guy very highly, even if they don't expect such a relationship (or night on the town) to enhance their material lifestyle. The attention of an average western monger validates their self-worth, whereas AW don't feel that need.
The final part is that EE women (and probably in many other mongering countries) require a male partner for status or to complete their ideal of what their life should be. They are not happy just building a career in their 20s, and being independent and liberated. For them to be single is a kind of failure in life. And the final, final part is that they LOVE sex! In that way they are more liberated than their AW counterpart. While an EE woman will certainly have sex just to please her partner, date or nice guy who just bought her dinner, she also has sex just to please herself. I have had EE women THANK ME after first-date sex, since they hadn't had any for months![/QUOTE]Thanks for posting GT is this basically the truth with EE women. You can find the typical Western Careerist in FSU but they are fairly easy to avoid and don't always look the best, so you're not missing much. That's not to say their aren't successful, attractive women, especially in Russia, but the difference it as you correctly state even with that success they don't see themselves as "complete" without a loving husband and children. Based on personal experience about 99% of EE women want at least one child and want to be married when they have that child (ren).
I know this site likes to focus on the best looking women available which is natural but there is much "gold" to be found mining in the 8, 7.6 zone (on the classic scale).