American Women

Why doesn't someone poll the women on www.amerikanska.com and ask them: "How many of you have NOT led a guy on (by wasting his time and resources) with the expectation that things may progress to an intimate setting where sex takes place? How many of you have NOT wasted the time and money of said guy as if it were a sport, only later to meet with your girlfriends and high-five them and celebrate the attainment of yet ANOTHER notch (in the shape of a large letter 'L') on their purse that represents another loser they teased and lied to in order to use him like a dish rag?" Of course, the poll would show that NO American woman would ever DREAM of doing that! Give me a fucking break! These stool samples DESERVE the bashing they get! RN, American women will cocktease a guy amd waste his time, resources and money quicker than a politician can take a bribe and lie about it!

Lithium, put yourself in a short guys shoes for a moment and think of the ridicule and rejection I face for being shorter than most women. And now that you brought it up, I am considered a freak to American women who care about the height of their men among many other things they also want like money, looks, and even RACE for some. Some AWs (of all races) won't even date a Chinese guy!!! I am not even a hit with the Asian women because of the Amy Tam (damn her soul to hell!) books against Asian men as well as that degrading stereotype that Asian guys have small cocks in America. Unfortunately, I am short (5' 4" tall but 7" in cock length) AND Chinese. One look at me and they laugh or tell their friends that I am too short.
And lithium, not every member here is looking to just get into a woman's pants. We also want to meet less shallow women who would treat us like their EQUALS instead of women that want the perfect guy to be their slave. Yes, I like sex and if she doesn't put out, I expect an open relationship where I can travel to get laid if I don't get it in the homefront. But most American women that don't put out want it both ways. They don't provide sex AND they don't want you to get it elsewhere.
And when I go to Brazil where guys like me are worshipped, I don't always pay for sex. Sex was given to me by someone I met for a short term relationship. Maybe the first 2 nights I paid for sex but the third night, I met a really hot Brazilian girl who was also friendly, and yes, she is also taller than me and considers me handsome! The relationship wasn't just about sex but it was mostly about having a good time with a this new friend I met. Someone by the likes of me would never find that in America. In fact, girls admit they go to clubs to just drink and dance and not to meet any new friends, not even girlfriends. Geez, how ant****ial and there's no reason for it.

Hi,

i've been to the US and other parts of the world for business and the simple fact of the matter is this, if you don't want to experience a woman who argues, plays around and wastes time then dont associate yourself with them, simple as that.

there are millions of wonderful ladies all around the world, american gals make up i think .02% of the world's population or so, what's the big fuss about these american women? it's like they are some sort of bizzare species that need special attention..hahahahaha...they are not bizzare nor are they special...

i like the high class american escorts, nevada, california, new york, florida, north carolina, hawaii, texas..etc are great, i dont deal with the mainstream nine to five american women, what for?

south america, central/eastern europe, asia and africa are the best places for women, incredible actually, your choices are unlimited..

here in australia, mainstream women are friendly as they seem to be in US, good high class escorts in sydney and brisbane, very good...but as for dealing with mainstream girls? unless you like dinner dates, movies, talking, rambling, arguing, listening and all that other stuff...etc good for you, that's a choice you make and you must take full responsibility for it. It's the same as if you love having sex with beautiful women from around the globe, then wonderful, that's a choice you make....simple as that.

as for the violence against these women, i see it in quite a lot countries, not just the US, it all comes down to frustration, insecurity and fear...thats why men and woman play these games, its just a reflection of their frustrations, insecurities and fears...simple as that...

you have to teach people how to treat you, if im with a high class escort, i will explain specifically what i want, like a fetish, and if she can fulfill it or if she doesn't measure up, she isn't considered and is of no real value to me...simple as that, there is a never ending production line high class escorts who are willing an able, simply a numbers game...

take action and start getting what you really want, not what your supposed to want...otherwise, your placing your happiness in the hands of another and that isn't smart...

seeya!!

Hilarious, Lithium, and right on point, I think, though I do think things get a bit distorted by losing context in both instances. Given that this is a forum about sex, of course we're not going to be spending a lot of time discussing batty eyes or fulfilling the "whole person embodied in the woman." That's not the stated purpose of the site, but of course in no way does that imply many of us don't also do those things and more.

Unfortunately, what you've posted as a response is precisely what would be predicted -- rather than even consider the idea that there may be an point to the issue driving this discussion somewhere underneath (you might point out to that site that there is NO corresponding thread for women of other countries and that there are plenty of men from other parts of the world participating in this forum) the immediate response is to respond in kind, by engaging in precisely the kind of namecalling of which this thread often is guilty. Very predictable, and also an indication why it's close to impossible to have a cogent discussion about this issue -- men complain that they're not getting the amount of sex they think is appropriate, and women complain that the men are only after sex. Then the women complain that the guys must be losers and don't treat women right, so why should they expect to get sex, and men say the women are various kinds of money-seeking expletives who aren't worth the effort because no matter what you do they're still going to ration intimacy, so you might as well go somewhere else to find some affection. And around and around it goes.

I've said before and I'll say again that I know plenty of American women who are fine, healthy individuals with fine, healthy sex drives, but I also know an inordinate number who destroy relationships based on their need for control, for reinforcing their self-images, and by engaging in relationship-destructive behavior. Men do the same, of course, and I'm sure we've got our fair share represented here. But the existence of this thread, on a forum where men discuss women all over the planet in a generally positive light, is certainly an indication of a short-circuit somewhere, and I've had similar discussions with friends offline who are far from mongers.

Hi RN and Guys,

RN, are you sure you haven't lived in America??? The questions you posed about American women and sexual behavior here actually pretty well describes what's going on. Or, more correctly, what ISN'T going on.

Yes, there can be little or no doubt that American women have been powerfully influenced by cultural forces here such as religion, the law, standards of behavior, etc. These forces also seem to supercede their sexual drives. This approach-avoidance conflict which they face inevitably leads to being "cock teasers" or as we say in my part of America, "prick teasers." They also seem to get a charge out of pulling this routine and look upon it as a type of female national game or past time. Opinions from you Yanks? An English buddy of mine once said that American women all seem to come from the same sorority or something.

Actually, though, I have "found" that once you get BEYOND all of their defenses, cigarette smoke, snottiness, etc., they are just as human, just as frail and just as desperate as the rest of humanity. I've found it to be a big act much of the time on their part. Do you guys out there agree or disagree with this observation? I've even found this to be true of the "beautiful" women here.

Spoke with a truly beautiful American woman on the airplane recently and she said that people never talk to her, guys never ask her out and that it's been this way her whole life. She said that she used to enter beauty contests when she was young thinking that she'd finally have a stream of steady dates. She stated that the exact opposite happened. She said that many guys view her as "unattainable" or something and won't even try. She said the last date she had was over a year ago and that the guy was amazed when she readily accepted. I'm sure that she's an exceptional case, however. We exchanged business cards (at her request) although I haven't heard from her. Maybe I should take the initiative although she lives near Seattle. Hmm...

Darkseid,

By the way, I'm 6' 4" and I can absolutely assure you that even tall guys get treated like sh#t by American women. They do not discriminate on the basis of height or anything else when it comes to acting like witches. I've found the best and most universal approach to women is to be a nice guy and let them talk about themselves. Women seem to love to talk about themsevles for some reason. I just nod and listen. It seems to work. Just a personal opinion or observation.

paddy, your post reminded me of something i read in a book by richard bach titled THE BRIDGE ACROSS FOREVER. it's about his tortured search for a soulmate and how he ultimately found her. when he did, she was a beautiful woman who also claimed men didn't ask her out because they assumed rejection.

being sexually attractive in a world which often punishes or condemns sex is a mixed blessing. i keep that in mind when i observe beautiful women who don't handle the attention they get well.

[Interestingly, a friend of mine retired to Costa Rica two years ago and reports that he is living very well. His money goes a very long way. He rents a villa, has a maid and all of the women that he could ever handle. Any other recommendations out there for countires to retire to???]

Paddy, I used to live in the Republic of Panama, and it's right next door to Costa Rica. If I'm not mistaken, it has a larger (and maybe a slightly more cosmopolitan) population since it is a center of global commerce what with the location of the Canal and lots of international businesses located there. Just avoid the southern part of Panama near the Colombian border for obvious reasons (kidnapping by Colombian rebels of foreigners). When I lived there (a LONG time ago) the US Dollar went a long way. And yes, the chicas are quite lovely.

I agree with you Paddy. American women are witches that pick out a flaw in you and exploit it to friends. And the saddest thing is if they are with a group of friends, they do this to "raise their self-image" by not seeming easy. In my case, they call me "Tattoo from Fantasy Island", or such other names and laugh at that with their friends. For a taller guy, they will find another flaw. Some make fun of baldness, fatness, careers, etc. In other countries, women don't play this game, or it is rare that they do. In fact, I could even approach a group of girls and single the one I like out that I want to spend the next day or rest of the vacation with.
I wrote my previous post to let off some steam to those that don't understand our plight. And yes, this thing happens to me every week when I go to the lame nightclubs of NYC. I don't know why I bother but I guess I am trying to find something for those times in between vacations but it just isn't happening here in America.

I read the posts here quite often to compare my own opinions and experiences with others, finding it particularly interesting since, despite my vast experience, I don't pretend to understand the female of the species.

However I found it really interesting that American girls get such bad rap here. Despite the fact that many let themselves balloon up to fat pigs, cop an attitude or are just against sex, or are just lousy at it, I have also had many fantastic experiences with American women, including some of my best sex...that even compared to Brazilians, Russians, Thais, Germans, Swedes etc etc etc. And there are plenty of really great looking women in America, especially with the cultural diversity that is present.

I think that, as mentioned in another post below, if you can crack an American woman and find the WOMAN inside... not the culturally-manipulated facade on the surface, you can make her feel like a woman... and every woman adores that. And she can be fantastic in bed, faithful and loving.

Or maybe I've just been lucky. Just for the record, my experience has been primarily with women from the western US, whom I met at college. Perhaps geography and level of ed make a difference.

Doctor shank, perhaps you are lucky to have found the 2% of the good apples in this lousy batch of women in America or perhaps she is really a woman born from another country who wasn't here for a long time but ALL of my experiences with American women including the Cuban American ex-fiancee who was corrupted by America and her American witch friend Martha the man-hating feminist, were bad. My cousin in California who is equally as short as me has the same type of experiences as myself and complains of California women. I don't think I'm at fault either or otherwise I would not get any in Brazil, or Europe so I KNOW it's the women here that are bad. Perhaps women in foreign countries aren't as spoiled as women in America and dating me is a treat because I am a nice guy and I can't change that. I treat women like women and not as sex objects or servants unlike the "perfect" guy that American women date here that abuse them and they become disillusioned and hardened toward men with. My ex-finacee seemed like the perfect girl, beautiful and sexy when I first met her and great at sex (not all American women are bad at sex, only the prudes) but then after 3 years in the relationship, she turned into the opposite. She gained 50 lbs, came after me with a knife and kept the $4000 engagment ring I gave her that I wanted back. You'll se, just wait a few years and she'll change!!

Darkseid,

Yes, American women are terrible and they get even worse when they're in a group.

Was is a bar with some friends after playing tennis and in walk four 250 lbs + women. They were loud, on stage and were generally being obnoxious. We moved to another table. I have no doubt that they thought we were fags or something when we moved.

In walked two nice ladies who were slender and feminine in appearance. They had the gall to be in heels, nylons, had earrings on etc. Really nice looking and they acted like ladies. Well, you know what happened next. The 250 pounders really went off on them calling them "Snow White, "Barbie Doll," etc. It was a distgusting display of American womanhood and many American guys have seen this syndrome before. American women who are OK with being feminine and lady-like are often the object of ridicule from other American women.

Herds of American women also pull this stuff on guys. They're bad individually and become much worse in a pack.

Although admittedly American women aren't on the top of my list either, your stories are really spooky! Especially the 4 x 250lb group...sounds like the front line of a good college football team. I seriously haven't seen anything like that happen, but do believe you. Sounds actually like the binge-drinking hordes in England... another mecca of the beautiful female...:)

As for California girls, I have heard from many people before that they are total blood-sucking vampire bitches, so I guess (I fear) that you are generally right.

Guess I was lucky.

My beef on American women is their looks... especially the fashion styles... just not feminine enough for my taste. And too much poorly applied makeup.

Anyway, don't live in America anymore so its not my problem. Happy hunting and take it easy.

in my opinion the problem with american women is the same as the problem with men and women all over the world, and that is we all live in societies which are more or less devoted to sexual repression and promoting very negative and restrictive views. here in the u.s. our government is spending millions of dollars annually to teach teens to 'just say no to sex" before marriage. how can we expect people to enjoy full and satisfying sex lives as adults when we try so hard to inhibit them during their most formative years?

betty dodson is a relatively famous american who promotes sexual knowledge, freedom, and satisfaction for women through such means as masturbation workshops, teaching them about their clitorises and how best to achieve orgasm. she has a new book out titled ORGASMS FOR TWO about partner sex that includes a chapter on just how sexually ignorant most supposedly sophisticated young professional american women are, and how unrealistic are their romantic ideas about loving relationships. you might want to buy a copy and share it with your girlfriend or prospective girlfriend.

Darkseid, I remember seeing a news show (either Dateline or 20/20) and they did an experiment about women and their preference (or the lack thereof) for short men. Even though I'm over 6 feet, my heart went out to the guys who are considered short. The women in the experiment pretty much chose tall-er men ALL THE TIME. This is even after they rigged the "résumé" of a couple of the participants. For one guy, the show's producers made him a doctor (surgeon), a best-selling novelist, a millionaire, and athletic ALL ROLLED INTO ONE HUMAN BEING. The women STILL ended up choosing taller men even though one that many chose was relatively a bum with few good attributes by comparison. What truly stunned me was when they were asked in what situation they would choose a short man. One of them said: "If the others were murderers or child molestors, then maybe I'd choose the short guy". Keep on tagging the foreign babes, dude. You don't deserve the aggravation.

Hello, everyone I just wanted to put my two cents in on this subject. I've contributed posts in the past; some of which were quite controversial. But I would just like to add some of my recent experiences and observations with American women:

1) I'm really figuring out that it is not American women that's the problem. It's basically our culture here in America. That's why when some foreign women come here they also become idiots. The culture encourages women to play games with men, be elusive, hold out on sex to get what you want, etc. I've taken numerous trips to Brazil and I've observed how their culture sends a different script to their women. Basically that your sexuality defines who you are. I think that it's interesting that a different script is also sent to the men. What I mean is that I notice here in America there is this cultural thing about men being afraid to talk to women, being afraid of rejection. They make all of these books and make articles about what to say to women and how to meet them. I notice that this is something that is particular to American culture. Basically the culture creates this sexual desperation among men and then exploits for it for material gain. You like the girl you must take her to a expensive restaurant, now that you are dating the girl you must take her shopping, you must buy her this very expensive engagement ring, etc. Also, I must admit that any country with legalized prostitution changes the whole sexual landscape and it changes the way men look at sex because it is readily available. Because prositution is illegal in America you have lot of women "working around the law" by exploiting the dating situation and basically turning it into a prostitution style arrangement. A lot of men want to know "Why are the women so materialistic nowadays?", "Why do the guys with all the money get all the girls" etc. My take on it is that it's the byproduct of a materialistic society and making prostitution illegal. I'm not saying that the government wants prostitution illegal to make money off of the situation. I'm just saying by making prostitution illegal society as a whole benefits from it materially. It in turn makes men more psychologically in tuned to do what ever it takes to get sex. In South America it's totally reversed. It got to the point that I was tired of f@cking and I was ready to come home. I know that might sound weird but that is how much the situation is reversed. I could elaborate further but I won't because I would be writing all day on this subject.

2) One thing that I must admit about America is that the opportunities for material success are amazing here. I am a 26 year old black male (quite attractive I might add) and I have successfully worked my out of the "hood". I honestly am glad I was born here and not in a Brazilian favela because it's easier to succeed here than in a lot of other ghettos around the world. Because of my observations with American culture and American women I have adopted a new state of mind. Exploit America for it's vast resources and opportunites and pursue my lustful pursuits outside of America. Continue to strive educationally and financially and basically become selfish with my viewpoint and "live my life and have fun in other countries". Basically ignore American women and focus on myself and pursue women in other countries. What is so ironic about this mindset is that, as I've adopted it, I have indirectly attracted more American women to me. I believe that psychologically American women have been molded to want this type of man. I have become very aloof around American women. I don't really hide the fact that I don't want sex with them (basically because I'm always sexually satisfied because I'm hooking up with foriegn women) and it's like they slowly but surely become more cuious about me. I've come to the conclusion that this particular mindset is actually a way to beat American women at their own game (even though I'm not trying to beat them at anything; I'm just making observations). I think when it really comes down to it, American women are victims as much as American men are to the "American" culture. I constantly see profoundly unhappy women here in America (compared to foriegn women) and I believe that women get messages that stop them from being themselves: don't kiss a guy on the first date, don't have sex until at least the third date, etc. All of these messages destroy romance (here I go with romance talk on a sex site. Ha ha.) in American relationships.

3) My third and last observation as that if you really look at it, a lot of American women's and men's world viewpoint is very small. I mean a lot women (not all) have never left America and don't really know about what's happening around the world. As a whole many women are ignorant to what is happening in other countries and other cultures. I bring this up because I meet a lot of people from foreign countries in my line of work and one thing I notice over and over is how friendly a lot (not all) of foriegn people are. In America people are meaner, angrier and more aggressive. This is just a generalization. I know some Al Queda members could shut this opinion up pretty quick. But what I'm trying to say is that not having the ability to travel has a profound effect on the women also. I think that 's why you have such an overabundance of basically rude women and men here. I think that's the thing with a place like Brazil. Before I even went people would tell me how freaky the women are etc., etc.. But nobody told me about how friendly the people were. The friendliness of the people is also affecting the women's attitudes. This is not in just Brazil but all of South America.

Lastly, these are my opinions. And you know what they say about opinions. Thank you to everybody for your enjoyable
commentary. My question is who is ready to write a book about the effects of the American women's strive for the "perfect" American male which creates the American male who is "superperfect" for the foreign female. We need someone with a master's degree in psychology I guess. I don't know. Until later. Peace.