American Women

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I honestly don't know and can't imagine anybody paying to fuck those pigs. But obviously somebody does now and then, they stay in business.

You can't blame a girl for charging high prices if she gets it, even if it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Dr. S - you are so right. Only ourselves to blame for the madness.

But.. consider this: Our particular form of government / society (in America) has been going on for almost 234 years. I can't think of many countries off the top of my head where there has not been some sort of social upheaval, regime change, revolution or some such other control/alt/delete action. Since we have not had any sort of real reset of society at large, we have been forced to suffer the natural evolution of this social order.

American men are, for the most part, a fraction of their (our) former selves when you consider our rugged individualism a few short hundred years ago. This thread is titled "American Women" but maybe we should just rename it "Americans" because as you so succinctly point out, the problem is not just the women, it's us guys as well. It's us guys for letting it happen.

Some would argue that that's a good thing in that it shows that we have evolved on a social level. Male Chauvinist Pigs (MCP) like me would say we have pretty much lost it. While many (if not most) of us on this board can claim to have enjoyed the opportunity to compare the attitudes of other cultures (with respect to sex) most of our American brothers must just make do with whatever their lot in life dictates. If you don't know any better, you just suck it up and deal with it as it happens. In America, the status quo has become, "capitulate to the feminist hordes" or risk being branded like Tiger Woods.

Here's my point (yes, I do have a point) - those of us who can enjoy Devushkas, Chicas, Garrotas, etc from other countries are blessed. We have been given the gift of perspective. We have experienced what most of our American brethren can only dream of. Rather than berate the lunacy of the crap that AW demand, offer a silent prayer to whatever higher power you worship for having been given the opportunity to experience the delight of non-American (or Canadian or British or Australian or Kiwi) pussy.

Our neighbors, work colleagues, fellow citizens just stagger forward not knowing that there is any other way for their women to think. They have accepted the "sexual jail" that has become so uniquely Western.

BTW - I'm typing this from the airport lounge on the way to China. I have swilled about a half gallon of scotch so I ask that I not be judged too harshly for the audacity of my alcohol soaked words.

Do have the answer? Fuck no. Am I thankful for being able to sow wild oats overseas? Fuck yes.

I wonder, guys, if the life of a man in USA is as bad as you have wrote.

I have heard terrible things about feminist laws in USA, for example they can call police if you touch a girl sexually without asking her permission (while dancing closely in a club for example), or that in clubs and bars there is always a few girls surrounded by crowds of men. It is not similiar to Sex and the City series, why?

But I doubt this for one simple reason.

I have heard the same conversation from Russian men in our forums for a number of times. Yes, Russian guys say exactly the things you say: all women want not sex, but money and stability, all of them are bitches, they never be initiative and never approach man first etc. Whats the difference?

Probably, the answer is that you can find this behaviour in all the countries of the world. And, from other hand, you can find another behaviour almost anywhere. You can find girls who like sex, like men, who make fun with this. You just have to look much. Spend a pleny of time.

It was USA where all that seduction communities emerged and probably that American guys are not just liers. So, I wonder, is it really hard to get a light, not obligatory relationship in USA and other Western countries? Using dating sites or in a night club.

So, I don't think you should envy to those of your friends who can live in that wonderful (and indeterminate) "good-for-men-countries". Its all the same. Check any Russian dating site. Most of the girls want serious relationship, try a date with them. You will be considered a person who pays, start a relationship. And you will see that the role of a man is similiar everywhere. Spend time to search or money to buy, anyway.

[QUOTE=Dymytry]I wonder, guys, if the life of a man in USA is as bad as you have wrote.

I have heard terrible things about feminist laws in USA, for example they can call police if you touch a girl sexually without asking her permission (while dancing closely in a club for example), or that in clubs and bars there is always a few girls surrounded by crowds of men. It is not similiar to Sex and the City series, why?

But I doubt this for one simple reason.

I have heard the same conversation from Russian men in our forums for a number of times. Yes, Russian guys say exactly the things you say: all women want not sex, but money and stability, all of them are bitches, they never be initiative and never approach man first etc. Whats the difference?

Probably, the answer is that you can find this behaviour in all the countries of the world. And, from other hand, you can find another behaviour almost anywhere. You can find girls who like sex, like men, who make fun with this. You just have to look much. Spend a pleny of time.

It was USA where all that seduction communities emerged and probably that American guys are not just liers. So, I wonder, is it really hard to get a light, not obligatory relationship in USA and other Western countries? Using dating sites or in a night club.

So, I don't think you should envy to those of your friends who can live in that wonderful (and indeterminate) "good-for-men-countries". Its all the same. Check any Russian dating site. Most of the girls want serious relationship, try a date with them. You will be considered a person who pays, start a relationship. And you will see that the role of a man is similiar everywhere. Spend time to search or money to buy, anyway.[/QUOTE]
I know a retired NYC cop who spent his whole career in Brooklyn, so I asked if he had any good stories. "Not really" he said. Asked him if working on the Force was like "Law and Order," "NYPD Blue," or "New York Undercover," he quickly said "nope more like Barney Miller!"

So to answer your question is AW's behavior in the USA like "Sex in the City?" Absolutely! The show and many others are patterned after the behavior of women in NYC. Not the opposite! Women have flocked to this city with the intention of living out the SITC dream. Meeting Mr.Big in a limo while dating the new Yankee as you strut around town lookin down on men. Trying to figure out if they should be a pretentious Uptown socialista or downtown hipster is not the sort of reality I want to be a part of or can afford.

You really can't blame them. Where else in the world can women meet lottery tickets in the form of celebritys, athletes, rich politicians, businessman, Wall streeters, and interact with them on the street, in the club, hotels, P.R. functions, etc. Women are alike everywhere, but tend to lose their class, grace, wit, and charm very quickly here. I don't begrudge them for getting their little thirsty for a $$$ dolla hustle on, but sometimes the disrepect has to be put in check if possible. In Russia I doubt thats a problem.

On a side note; I had the pleaure of unknowingly meeting Kim Cattrall once in an elevator a few years back. Really cool chick who looks alot prettier and younger in person. Now when I see her on TV I kick myself - hard. Or slap my head a few times.

[QUOTE=Mike12]Where else in the world can women meet lottery tickets in the form of celebritys, athletes, rich politicians, businessman, Wall streeters, and interact with them on the street, in the club, hotels, P. R. Functions, etc.[/QUOTE]I can tell you: in every capital. The description of "rich man" differs from country to country, but the idea is everywhere the same: the most interesting men live in the capitals. But ask an average AW if she has ever dated a superstar, millioner or NBA player, what she will answer? Probably, there are not so many Tom Cruses in New York. And if women can like even "downtown hipsters", usual guys should have not problems with them.

[QUOTE=Dymytry]I wonder, guys, if the life of a man in USA is as bad as you have wrote.

I have heard terrible things about feminist laws in USA, for example they can call police if you touch a girl sexually without asking her permission (while dancing closely in a club for example), or that in clubs and bars there is always a few girls surrounded by crowds of men. It is not similiar to Sex and the City series, why?

But I doubt this for one simple reason.

I have heard the same conversation from Russian men in our forums for a number of times. Yes, Russian guys say exactly the things you say: all women want not sex, but money and stability, all of them are bitches, they never be initiative and never approach man first etc. Whats the difference?

Probably, the answer is that you can find this behaviour in all the countries of the world. And, from other hand, you can find another behaviour almost anywhere. You can find girls who like sex, like men, who make fun with this. You just have to look much. Spend a pleny of time.

It was USA where all that seduction communities emerged and probably that American guys are not just liers. So, I wonder, is it really hard to get a light, not obligatory relationship in USA and other Western countries? Using dating sites or in a night club.

So, I don't think you should envy to those of your friends who can live in that wonderful (and indeterminate) "good-for-men-countries". Its all the same. Check any Russian dating site. Most of the girls want serious relationship, try a date with them. You will be considered a person who pays, start a relationship. And you will see that the role of a man is similiar everywhere. Spend time to search or money to buy, anyway.[/QUOTE]I have been saying this for years on this forum that women are the same. The only thing that changes the equation is money.

You generally have to be suspicious of females in general, I was recently hit on by a 20 something, I am in my 40s, why heck would a woman old enough to be my daughter want to have a relationship? Although one part of me would like to plow her doggie style the other part of me was suspicious. I found out she has some serious financial problems and wants to go to a university and apparently sees me as some kind of cash machine. And she is an Aussie female of Asian origin. I went through a nasty divorce a few years ago, was recently denied visitation rights to my son, very nervous about getting into a serious relationship with any woman right now.

[QUOTE=Mike12]I know a retired NYC cop who spent his whole career in Brooklyn, so I asked if he had any good stories. "Not really" he said. Asked him if working on the Force was like "Law and Order," "NYPD Blue," or "New York Undercover," he quickly said "nope more like Barney Miller!"

So to answer your question is AW's behavior in the USA like "Sex in the City?" Absolutely! The show and many others are patterned after the behavior of women in NYC. Not the opposite! Women have flocked to this city with the intention of living out the SITC dream. Meeting Mr.Big in a limo while dating the new Yankee as you strut around town lookin down on men. Trying to figure out if they should be a pretentious Uptown socialista or downtown hipster is not the sort of reality I want to be a part of or can afford.

You really can't blame them. Where else in the world can women meet lottery tickets in the form of celebritys, athletes, rich politicians, businessman, Wall streeters, and interact with them on the street, in the club, hotels, P.R. functions, etc. Women are alike everywhere, but tend to lose their class, grace, wit, and charm very quickly here. I don't begrudge them for getting their little thirsty for a $$$ dolla hustle on, but sometimes the disrepect has to be put in check if possible. In Russia I doubt thats a problem.

On a side note; I had the pleaure of unknowingly meeting Kim Cattrall once in an elevator a few years back. Really cool chick who looks alot prettier and younger in person. Now when I see her on TV I kick myself - hard. Or slap my head a few times.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I am a native new yorker myself. You NEED a few things going for you in new york. It doesn't always take money but in those cases you need PULL such as a strong "hip" social circle. The lone guy going out to a bar to score may do so but it takes a certain type.

I'm old school NY. I used to meet cool people all the time in clubs or just hanging out in parks and on the street. A true NYer is very welcoming to *anybody that is comfortable with themselves.

The crowd is different now and so are the drink prices and rules. I don't think it's worth my time anymore since I started traveling.

NYC in the past 15 years has lost EVERYTHING that made it special... that's why I'm here now in Bogota... much of the old NY flavor has wound up here for some reason...

it's true that human nature is the same everywhere and Venus is almost always "unredeemed" wherever you go... but the numbers are better in some places than others....

What I like about here is that in the US, money is king. A bald fat uneducated poorly dressed uncultured slob with money will kill all in terms of getting pussy. Here, it's all about physical appearance more than anything else, TOTALLY CONTRARY to popular opinion of Colombian women. It may be shallow and superficial but at least it helps promote that you take care of yourself physically and mentally instead of working your ass off and letting your health go to shit!

[QUOTE=Warbucks]I have been saying this for years on this forum that women are the same. The only thing that changes the equation is money.[/QUOTE]
Quite true! No matter where you go you’d better have some money if you’re looking for love. Women want money, security and social status. Any man refusing to accept the obvious will face a lifetime of pain and disappointments in search of the mythical altruistic woman who loves him for himself and nothing more. Traveling or becoming an expat is really nothing more than moving to a mate market where the price of entry is substantially lower. However, that being said, if you’re dirt poor and financially broken in your home country then don’t expect to have raving success abroad. An American passport can only go so far. If you’re rubbing pennies the foreign women may figure they can do well living in poverty by themselves without having to care for you too. A poor American can be a source of amusement abroad when that person cannot live up to the glory and wealth assumed when their passport is presented.

If you’re not willing to support a woman and cater to her whims then you should forget about any kind of serious involvement with women. Women are looking for a provider who is willing to sacrifice himself and his earnings for their and their offspring’s good.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Quite true! No matter where you go you’d better have some money if you’re looking for love. Women want money, security and social status. Any man refusing to accept the obvious will face a lifetime of pain and disappointments in search of the mythical altruistic woman who loves him for himself and nothing more. Traveling or becoming an expat is really nothing more than moving to a mate market where the price of entry is substantially lower. .[/QUOTE]That's in theory. But in reality it is different. The product quality(looks, size), culture and traditions/behaviors are different in different places.

What you can find in other countries is almost impossible to find in USA, no matter how much money you wanna spend. More likely they(women) will separate you from your money in USA, and you will still end up with nothing good.

Another problem is that in USA, since everybody is "equal" and all kinds of sexual harrasment rules, the women do not have any incentive to become better, they are actually becoming worse.

In many other places there is obvious competition among women, so they are trying hard to look better and perform better. Beautiful girls are taught to cook, to take care of the house, etc.. It is norm for them, not a problem at all. Even many girls here do not mind if you cheat on them, as long as you provide for the family and do not tell them that you are cheating.

You cannot simply buy this kinda thing in modern USA/WesternWorld. It is not available in general since you cannot force them do what is not natural for them.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]You generally have to be suspicious of females in general, I was recently hit on by a 20 something, I am in my 40s, why heck would a woman old enough to be my daughter want to have a relationship? Although one part of me would like to plow her doggie style the other part of me was suspicious. I found out she has some serious financial problems and wants to go to a university and apparently sees me as some kind of cash machine. And she is an Aussie female of Asian origin.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like it could be a good deal!
Getting a young frisky coed who wants someone to sponsor her through college.
The only fundamental moral question is how much do you have to spend?
If she is doing the fishing it is going to be cheaper than if you were out there searching for a sponsored mistress.
Get into negotiations - obviously it will be easy for you to walk, which is always the best bargaining position.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Women want money, security and social status. (They) are looking for a provider who is willing to sacrifice himself and his earnings [i]for their and their offspring’s good.[/i][/QUOTE]This truth hurts, but it [i]is[/i] rational and frankly pro-survival. The biological imperative of sex is to create offspring, isn't it? Raising a child is tough, and a "good provider" means a better chance for the family. It makes good sense for the woman to hold out for the best provider, and to hold off long enough to forge a strong "pair-bond" so the guy won't up-and-leave after Junior shows up to ruin the fun.

But I'm not interested in raising a family, I'm interested in having fun with a girl who I find attractive, and I accept that it's gonna cost me "cash at the counterpane." I believe that's what draws us to this board: finding out where we can bang the best for our bucks.

American women have taken "The Man Must Sacrifice" to an extreme. A couple of weeks ago, "Stickman Weekly" posted an article about [url=http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2010/reader5844.htm]"Dating In The West"[/url] that documents some of the horrid details observed by its writer. From my perspective, it doesn't look much exaggerated.

I would rather go offshore in search of my share of poontang; go someplace where a mature man is more attractive for his maturity, and an income modest by USA standards is substantially affluent on the local economy. As a fisherman might put it, "why not fish where the fish are biting?"

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]You generally have to be suspicious of females in general, I was recently hit on by a 20 something, I am in my 40s, why heck would a woman old enough to be my daughter want to have a relationship? Although one part of me would like to plow her doggie style the other part of me was suspicious. I found out she has some serious financial problems and wants to go to a university and apparently sees me as some kind of cash machine. And she is an Aussie female of Asian origin. I went through a nasty divorce a few years ago, was recently denied visitation rights to my son, very nervous about getting into a serious relationship with any woman right now.[/QUOTE]

Years ago I met an attractive, personable, light-skinned Vanessa Williams lookalike with a phat-ass at work who I decided to ask out. Luckily I brought my intentions up with a co-worker who warned me against doing just that. Turns out the girl had a 60-year old sugar daddy pick her up every day from work in a limo, in addition to flowers and candies sent to her on a daily basis. Last I talked to her she was leaving the job to get her MBA from Wharton School of Business.

Interesting article in the Economist about the gender imbalance in the US caused by the high rate of incarceration of black males.

[Quote=][b]Sex and the single black woman[/b]
How the mass incarceration of black men hurts black women
Apr 8th 2010 | From The Economist print edition

IMAGINE that the world consists of 20 men and 20 women, all of them heterosexual and in search of a mate. Since the numbers are even, everyone can find a partner. But what happens if you take away one man?
... So she ups her game. Perhaps she dresses more seductively. Perhaps she makes an extra effort to be obliging. Somehow or other, she “steals” a man from one of her fellow women. That newly single woman then ups her game, too, to steal a man from someone else. A chain reaction ensues. Before long, every woman has to try harder, and every man can relax a little.

Real life is more complicated, of course, but this simple model illustrates an important truth. In the marriage market, numbers matter. And among African-Americans, the disparity is much worse than in Mr Harford’s imaginary example. Between the ages of 20 and 29, one black man in nine is behind bars. For black women of the same age, the figure is about one in 150. For obvious reasons, convicts are excluded from the dating pool. And many women also steer clear of ex-cons, which makes a big difference when one young black man in three can expect to be locked up at some point.

Removing so many men from the marriage market has profound consequences...[/quote]
Couple this with the fact (discussed here a few months ago) that many more women are going to college than men - a trend which I think is even more disproportionate amongst blacks (I saw a quote somewhere about black families putting priority on their daughters education becuase, "black girls go to college, and the boys go to jail") - and you get a quite a large pool of black women chasing a declining number of "eligible" black men. Could make for happy hunting for our American brothers!

Overall this situation starts to look like the situation in Russia - with a major sex imbalance. The article also argues that this has or will cause attitude changes - the girls "uping their game" to better attract a mate. I guess it is too much to hope that these more sexual traits will spill over into white women's culture? But unfortunately, black American girls suffer from some different environmental factors - like a fast food diet and lack of exercise - that make FSU girls worth pursuing.

Even with the shortage of eligible Black American males, you still have most of your lower class "ghetto" bitches walking around like their asses don't stink. IMHO, low class Black American women are some of the nastiest women you'll find anywhere on this planet. Unfortunately when some of these ghetto bitches go on to get educated, they can never quite get rid of that ghetto mentality. Most highly educated professional Black women, such as Lawyers, Doctors, Teachers, Engineers etc end up marrying guys who are less educated. The key is finding one who is not a crazy *****, good luck your odds are about <1 in 10.



[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Interesting article in the Economist about the gender imbalance in the US caused by the high rate of incarceration of black males.


Couple this with the fact (discussed here a few months ago) that many more women are going to college than men - a trend which I think is even more disproportionate amongst blacks (I saw a quote somewhere about black families putting priority on their daughters education becuase, "black girls go to college, and the boys go to jail") - and you get a quite a large pool of black women chasing a declining number of "eligible" black men. Could make for happy hunting for our American brothers!

Overall this situation starts to look like the situation in Russia - with a major sex imbalance. The article also argues that this has or will cause attitude changes - the girls "uping their game" to better attract a mate. I guess it is too much to hope that these more sexual traits will spill over into white women's culture? But unfortunately, black American girls suffer from some different environmental factors - like a fast food diet and lack of exercise - that make FSU girls worth pursuing.[/QUOTE]