American Women

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]What follows is NOT a reflection of conditions in my own current marriage; but a compilation of data from my own first marriage plus the experiences of several men who cheated on their wives who have spoken with me at great length about their motivations over the years.

I do not believe all appreciation for the providers is a function of age and the man's inferior sex appeal per-se. Rather, it is a function of experience.

Most married men, I believe, if they had a better home life, would not cheat. Obviously, some would no matter what. But most wouldn't. Most men find self-value in adhering to promises, meeting responsibilities, etc.

But there is an absolute epidemic out there of wives failing to provide for the most basic of a husband's needs: appreciation, acceptance, approval and physically demonstrable affection. Men are nagged endlessly, treated as accessories and disposable gateways to a lifestyle, disrespected and talked down to, (even in public) etc.

Their wives try to force husbands to be more feminine; turn them into girlfriends and shrinks, and then stop finding them attractive when they comply. The list is endless. (Not all marriages are like this. I'm talking about those of a large proportion of men who end up cheating.)

It is not at all unusual for wives to treat their pets or total strangers with higher regard than the husbands who provide for them. These men are exposed to endless emotional and psychological ABUSE day-in and day-out. They take it out of misplaced loyalty, for the sake of kids (who really shouldn't grow up learning that men should be treated that way), because their wives have destroyed their self-esteem, a biased legal system, etc.

Your average woman wouldn't take even a tenth of the abuse that men do these days.

When their self-centered, self-important and scandalously selfish wives concede to sex; it is often taken care of with about as much ardor as taking a shit.

The double standards in the home are breathtaking; and the manipulation is endless. If he doesn't let her go spend a day at the spa with the girls, he is being "controlling;" but if he wants to go spend Saturday down at the golf course, "he doesn't love her."

These men are absolutely STARVED for acceptance, basic respectful treatment, physically demonstrated affection and to just plain be treated fairly like normally-valued HUMAN BEINGS. They want an outlet where they can express their primal manhood without being treated as though they are an icky pariah barely deserving of drawing breath.

A provider, albeit for a fee, treats her client with normal human respect and dignity; accepts him as he is, gives him tacit approval to be a man in an environment free from "gotchas" and makes love to him enthusiastically. Like she means it. (Even if she doesn't. The man will suspend disbelief. Though -- maybe I am a bit naive -- I really DO think some providers really mean it. How they manage it, I don't know.)

Of COURSE he is appreciative. He is as appreciative as a starving man placed in front of a plate of spaghetti.

But it isn't just the sex that makes them appreciative. It is the ATTITUDE. Giving a man a great buildup and one hellatious orgasm does not take more than an hour. The reason men book providers for more than an hour is because they need more than the orgasm from her.

And, yes, men ARE easily controlled. Men WANT to please the women in their lives. If they are given acceptance, approval and appreciation coupled with physically demonstrable affection -- they will conquer continents for the woman who does it. And more often than not, they'll remain faithful too.

And when the woman giving the acceptance and physical affection happens to be a provider; depending on just how starved the guy is; she DOES gain a certain level of power. Power that the man's wife surrendered through abusing it. BUT, if she is ethical, that power is not abused; because she already knows what the wife did wrong.

(One reason I think some providers could make really fantastic wives. They get it. They see the results of all the other women's mistakes.)

So I think an older guy's appreciation for a provider is NOT always a function of the man being unable to get laid by a hottie. MANY hobbyists could do so readily; and seek providers for discretion and to avoid complications in meeting basic human needs.

In fact, I would say a lot of men are a lot more attractive than they think they are. It's just that their sexual self-esteem is in the TANK.

(That's an interesting way to assure fidelity. Make sure your husband feels so damned unattractive that anytime a pretty girl makes a pass at him he believes she's picking on him and couldn't possibly be sincere. Sometimes this technique backfires though.)

So I believe that a major reason why guys with experience appreciate providers so much is because of the way providers TREAT them.[/QUOTE]What a load of psycho mumbo jumbo. "providers making good wives". Yeah right! Man the only reason a provider is relished is because they will fuck on demand. And do it well. All the rest is B. S. How can anyone say a provider would be a good wive. How would you know how well she would keep house. Handle kids. Finances. Her social graces outside of the bedroom. Yeah you don't mind your provider dressing like a ****. But how many want a wife that does. And a lot of providers don't know how to dress but sluty.

Just because a women can suck a good dick and make a man's toes curl does mean she would be a good wife. The majority of mongers do not solicit the caliber of provider who requires social graces. Now if you're talking about $5000 escorts. MayB. But your 3rd world $40 bar girl or $100 a night US CL provider. No freakin way

a proverder to our needs. you did not read the post it!!!! was not about marrage!!! marrage! to wives or providers!!!! it was about why men stray from ***** ass aw wives.

because they lack the needed provisions from women.

whether it is paid for or not,( and it is always paid for). a man needs his needs met. this was one of the best posts, i am not married either is he, so fuck your thatguy psycho mumbo jumbo, you are married?. ha... right.

capt jax good job loved the truth!!!!

he , capt jax, even write collegate with a title TS, and a conclusion, here it is again:
"So I believe that a major reason why guys with experience appreciate providers so much is because of the way providers TREAT them"

meaning they fuck hoes cuz they are good in the sack and fulfill our needs as a man. no one wants to marry..... man, and that is a whole other topic, immirgration, assimilation, chicks getting corrupted with american bitchiness. we all know not to bring them back.

whos da man?

nonsense, worst post ever.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]What a load of psycho mumbo jumbo. "providers making good wives". Yeah right! Man the only reason a provider is relished is because they will fuck on demand. And do it well. All the rest is B. S. How can anyone say a provider would be a good wive. How would you know how well she would keep house. Handle kids. Finances. Her social graces outside of the bedroom. Yeah you don't mind your provider dressing like a ****. But how many want a wife that does. And a lot of providers don't know how to dress but sluty.

Just because a women can suck a good dick and make a man's toes curl does mean she would be a good wife. The majority of mongers do not solicit the caliber of provider who requires social graces. Now if you're talking about $5000 escorts. MayB. But your 3rd world $40 bar girl or $100 a night US CL provider. No freakin way[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]What a load of psycho mumbo jumbo. "providers making good wives". Yeah right! Man the only reason a provider is relished is because they will fuck on demand. And do it well. All the rest is B. S. How can anyone say a provider would be a good wive. How would you know how well she would keep house. Handle kids. Finances. Her social graces outside of the bedroom. Yeah you don't mind your provider dressing like a ****. But how many want a wife that does. And a lot of providers don't know how to dress but sluty.

Just because a women can suck a good dick and make a man's toes curl does mean she would be a good wife. The majority of mongers do not solicit the caliber of provider who requires social graces. Now if you're talking about $5000 escorts. MayB. But your 3rd world $40 bar girl or $100 a night US CL provider. No freakin way[/QUOTE]
It's really pointless arguing with a dimwit. I never said "providers would make good wives." I actually said "providers could make good wives." There's a big difference.
[Quote]
Definition of "could" and "would".
could
Past tense of can
Used to indicate ability or permission in the past: I could run faster then. Only men could go to the club in those days.
Used with hypothetical or conditional force: If we could help, we would.
Used to indicate tentativeness or politeness: I could be wrong. Could you come over here?

would
Past tense of will
Used to express desire or intent: She said she would meet us at the corner.
Used to express a wish: Would that we had gone with you!
Used after a statement of desire, request, or advice: I wish you would stay.
Used to make a polite request: Would you go with me?
Used in the main clause of a conditional statement to express a possibility or likelihood: If I had enough money, I would buy a car. We would have gone to the beach, had the weather been good. See Usage Note at if.
Used to express presumption or expectation: That would be Steve at the door.
Used to indicate uncertainty: He would seem to be getting better.
Used to express repeated or habitual action in the past: Every morning we would walk in the garden. [/QUOTE]

Personally I would never be satisfied with any one woman. No matter WHAT... but it doesn't matter anyways, that's the NATURE of all monogamous "relationships" that the woman tries to use sex as a weapon to control and maniuplate the man. This is why most women HATE porn and HATE prostitution... they don't like the idea that the guy has another outlet....

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to say most men will cheat. Hell it has little to do with how a woman treats you. She could be fucking you every night sooner or later Most men would want something different. Thats the bottom line.

Humans are animals and our sexual nature is not bound by man made laws. Nature dictates that and a man naturally will seek out sex. No matter what. Even the most mentally challenged male will get a hard on and he doesn't have to know how or why. He just knows he's horny and wants to fuck. Thats basic instinct. Marriage is a man made institution. Which goes against nature. 1 man 1 woman for life. So if you get married at 20 and live to 80 you are suppose to have sex with 1 woman for 60yrs. Come on.

So to say its because a provider gets it, has nothing to do with it. Men cheat because Men are Men. Plain and simple.

I doubt most men even cheat with or see sex providers. Most cheat with someone they know, either a co-worker, someone from the neighborhood, or a prior friend. Thats why so many get caught. You don't have to worry too much about being caught when you use a provider. Its the affairs.,

P.S. For you dummies. I did read the post and here is exactly what he wrote.

[QUOTE] (One reason I think some providers could make really fantastic wives. They get it. They see the results of all the other women's mistakes.)[/QUOTE]Also its not true that men go to providers because of the way they treat them. MOST (not all) men go to providers because they can't find a young woman who will do the things a provider will, period or without some sort of relationship.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]

I doubt most men even cheat with or see sex providers. Most cheat with someone they know, either a co-worker, someone from the neighborhood, or a prior friend. Thats why so many get caught. You don't have to worry too much about being caught when you use a provider. Its the affairs.,

P.S. For you dummies. I did read the post and here is exactly what he wrote.

Also its not true that men go to providers because of the way they treat them. MOST (not all) men go to providers because they can't find a young woman who will do the things a provider will, period or without some sort of relationship.[/QUOTE]


I've always agreed with the Sinatra quote. "I dont pay to sleep with them, I pay them to leave." (something along those lines).

I just spent 11 days in sex prison. I fucked an old friend of mine (literally as she is 57). It was good sex and she is in very good shape for her age. I have known her for 30 years and fucked her off and on for 18 years.

So what was the problem? She kept complaining about her boyfriend/common-law husband, who she's been with for about fifteen years. He's fat, he doesn't do anything around the house, he spends all his time on the computer. He's "emotionally unavailable," whatever the fuck that means. In fact she complains about him constantly to anyone who will listen and often criticizes him in public when he is there.

Hmmm. He pays 100% of the mortgage and utility bills. It was his house to begin with. He puts up with her six stupid little dogs and takes care of them on her frequent trips out of town to be with her friends, trips on which he is never invited and on which she often fucks around. I spent half a Saturday at her house, drinking (his beer) and smoking weed and playing cards. Meanwhile he was taking all the baseboards off and refinishing them, laying paving stones in HER garden, and he went and did the grocery shopping.

I sort of felt sorry for the guy as I was fucking her, but not really.

If every married man had a woman who had sex with him every night, like you just described, I'm willing to bet that 90%+ of marriages would last for as long as they both shall live. What always changes during a marriage are the conditions in which the courting took place.
AW go out of their way to hook a man she wishes to marry by giving the man the illusion he is about to marry his dream girl. During courtship, she hardly says no, treats the man well, acts like a woman. As soon as the ring goes on and the marriage is official, as it is said "Why does a bride smile coming down the aisle?" Shock, disapointment, cheating and divorce are the results of this deceit and yes, it is the woman who is to blame for changing the conditions of the relationship in the first place.
If a man gets his physical needs met everyday, there is no way there would be a 50% divorce rate. Man will try his best to always satisfy his basic needs despite the abuse being dished by his partner in marriage. So if he needs a provider, coworker or whatever to take care of that most basic of needs, there is only one person to blame: Her :D
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865] Hell it has little to do with how a woman treats you. She could be fucking you every night sooner or later Most men would want something different.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]If every married man had a woman who had sex with him every night, like you just described, I'm willing to bet that 90%+ of marriages would last for as long as they both shall live. What always changes during a marriage are the conditions in which the courting took place.
AW go out of their way to hook a man she wishes to marry by giving the man the illusion he is about to marry his dream girl. During courtship, she hardly says no, treats the man well, acts like a woman. As soon as the ring goes on and the marriage is official, as it is said "Why does a bride smile coming down the aisle?" Shock, disapointment, cheating and divorce are the results of this deceit and yes, it is the woman who is to blame for changing the conditions of the relationship in the first place.
If a man gets his physical needs met everyday, there is no way there would be a 50% divorce rate. Man will try his best to always satisfy his basic needs despite the abuse being dished by his partner in marriage. So if he needs a provider, coworker or whatever to take care of that most basic of needs, there is only one person to blame: Her :D[/QUOTE]

Couldn't disagree more. Human beings need variety.. no ONE woman would ever satisfy me 100%

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Couldn't disagree more. Human beings need variety.. no ONE woman would ever satisfy me 100%[/QUOTE]
BC - As much as I would like to agree with V1, you have a valid point. Variety is the spice of life. But I think you need to qualify your statement a little.

While most of the guys on this board could not fathom it, there is a big chunk of the male population who are just not that interested in sex after the age of 28 or so. I know, I know... it hardly seems possible. But for those guys, none of this is an issue. They go through life as happy as could be getting laid once every 60 days or so not counting high holidays. Frankly, many of these guys are just too lazy to chase strange pussy, or maybe they have just given up entirely. Regardless of their reasons, they don't really factor into the argument. For them - none of this is an issue. For whatever reason, their sex drive has been suppressed.

For the rest of us, however, you would like to think that coming home every night being greeted at the door by a smiling wife who drops to her knees and gives you a blowjob followed by "acrobat sex" for two hours would be enough to stop any guy from straying. While I have never been so lucky to receive such treatment, I do know guys who do. In more than 50% of cases, it's just a matter of time until they get bored with the routine and go looking for something else. If you are predisposed to stray, you are going to stray regardless of what you have at home.

I used to have a neighbor who had such a wife that treated him right. She was a virgin when he married her and she took to sex like a duck to water. No mater what he suggested she was up for it. But after 5 years or so, it all got to be routine and the stupid bastard went looking for some "strange" and ...... well, you know the rest.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

[QUOTE=Jake993]BC - As much as I would like to agree with V1, you have a valid point. Variety is the spice of life. But I think you need to qualify your statement a little...

For the rest of us, however, you would like to think that coming home every night being greeted at the door by a smiling wife who drops to her knees and gives you a blowjob followed by "acrobat sex" for two hours would be enough to stop any guy from straying...[/QUOTE]
Being Canadian, I think the truth lies in compromise between these diverse viewpoints.

Sure there are some guys who will always stray, no matter how good it is at home.

But I also think a lot of guys are driven to stray by lack of home comforts.
And many of them would not stray if they were satisfied at home.
Not that they could not be tempted, or don't fantasize about it, but many would not actually get around to doing it.
There are many reasons - loyalty, fear, shame, etc, but I think the biggest impediments are effort, cost and inconvenience.
It can be hard and complicated work to cheat on your spouse.
Especially if you are looking for an extra-marital affair, rather than P4P.

Christ - trying to find a woman who wants to screw with a married man, which usually means she is married also, thus further complicated and costly, is a hell of a lot of effort!

And frankly, so is finding a suitable P4P arrangement, if you don't know the ropes. Lots of cities have mediocre options, high prices and real fear of law enforcement and humiliation and social ostracization if you are exposed.

If you travel in your work, all these issues become easier, especially if your travel takes you to some international candyland, where supply is plentiful, price reasonable and social mores accommodating. But if you are homebound, it can be tough - tough enough to discourage many men unless driven to it by sexual starvation.

I had a very interesting conversation with a provider, now retired, who got married a couple of years ago. She told me, a worn out dick ain't worth a hill of beans to a horny woman outside a marriage.

She also said, if she ever got married, just based on her experiences in the hobby, she would elect to fuck her husband 24/7 i.e. give him all the sex he ever wanted day or night. Her theory, fuck her husband so much that he would be too exhausted to have sex with other women. I talked to her early last year, she now has a one year old child, and is still happily married to her dick tired husband.

I agree, a worn out dick is not worth a hill of beans to a horny woman outside the marriage. Unfortunately most AW fail to understand this very simple concept.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Being Canadian, I think the truth lies in compromise between these diverse viewpoints.

Sure there are some guys who will always stray, no matter how good it is at home.

But I also think a lot of guys are driven to stray by lack of home comforts.
And many of them would not stray if they were satisfied at home.
Not that they could not be tempted, or don't fantasize about it, but many would not actually get around to doing it.
There are many reasons - loyalty, fear, shame, etc, but I think the biggest impediments are effort, cost and inconvenience.
It can be hard and complicated work to cheat on your spouse.
Especially if you are looking for an extra-marital affair, rather than P4P.

Christ - trying to find a woman who wants to screw with a married man, which usually means she is married also, thus further complicated and costly, is a hell of a lot of effort!

And frankly, so is finding a suitable P4P arrangement, if you don't know the ropes. Lots of cities have mediocre options, high prices and real fear of law enforcement and humiliation and social ostracization if you are exposed.

If you travel in your work, all these issues become easier, especially if your travel takes you to some international candyland, where supply is plentiful, price reasonable and social mores accommodating. But if you are homebound, it can be tough - tough enough to discourage many men unless driven to it by sexual starvation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]
I agree, a worn out dick is not worth a hill of beans to a horny woman outside the marriage. Unfortunately most AW fail to understand this very simple concept.[/QUOTE] Hmmmmm - sounds like the best defense is a good offense. ;)

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]If every married man had a woman who had sex with him every night, like you just described, I'm willing to bet that 90%+ of marriages would last for as long as they both shall live. What always changes during a marriage are the conditions in which the courting took place.

AW go out of their way to hook a man she wishes to marry by giving the man the illusion he is about to marry his dream girl. During courtship, she hardly says no, treats the man well, acts like a woman. As soon as the ring goes on and the marriage is official, as it is said "Why does a bride smile coming down the aisle? " Shock, disapointment, cheating and divorce are the results of this deceit and yes, it is the woman who is to blame for changing the conditions of the relationship in the first place.

If a man gets his physical needs met everyday, there is no way there would be a 50% divorce rate. Man will try his best to always satisfy his basic needs despite the abuse being dished by his partner in marriage. So if he needs a provider, coworker or whatever to take care of that most basic of needs, there is only one person to blame: Her[/QUOTE]if that was true why are Men in other countries where woman are submissive still fuck around. There is no country in the world where men are faitful. Period. No matter how domesticated the women might B. Hell in most of the those countries. The men are notorious for having mistresses.

So why is that?

It doesn't matter how into sex a woman is, how frequently she wants it, or how kinky she's willing to be, I'm ALWAYS going to want multiple sex partners... I think it's deeply engrained human nature... how far certain pathetic individuals are willing to go to SURPRESS it is not really my concern... it's their funeral.... I for one want to live like a man and not a fucking slave!!!