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I would not make the assumption that all American women have looks as their only currency. There are a lot of females working in the corporate world making a decent amount of money. They would tend to be very picky on whom they go out with.
In addition, many of my female colleagues in the healthcare industry make over $50,000 a year. The other night, while they were perusing through some dating websites, such as American Single.Com, I asked them what they were looking for in a mate.
They pretty much told me the that they only want to date those who have the qualities that they want in the perfect mate or else they won't date at all, something like what Rachel in nomarriage.com indicated.
They did not want the hassle of going out with those who they see as less than perfect because they have the material currency of supporting themselves and not needing a mate to do so.
I think this applies to most Western European women as well, since they live in a region where independence and making money are held in high regards.
However, in those countries that are economically poor and thus having a large social network is important, such as those in Latin America and Asia, women tend to be less independent and have to rely on a man to support them. As a result, they are less strict on what they want in their mates.
I have been asked by many non-American women whether I am scared by living alone and supporting myself on my own. To me, this is such a ridiculous question because it comes so naturally for a person raised in the US to be independent and not to rely on somebody else economically.
However, for those, especially women, who rely on others for support and living with mom and pop until the day they get married is normal, the concept of living alone is an antithesis. To them is it is so foreign for a young individual to be on their own.
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Sinanju Master
Well said, I agree!However, we must all remember women are emotionally driven creatures, thus always subject to being persuaded my us males!
TANG~!
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I largely agree regarding the comments to supply and demand, but I think it is only one aspect of a really vicious tangle.
Frankly, I while I hold a high degree of disdain for American women, I also pity them.
The "modern" American woman has been conditioned (liberal education, femino-centric jurisprudence, advertising and entertainment media) to beleive that she should be financially independant, morally superior, and emotionally dominant in her relations with the male sex.
The reality is that this is not her biological construction. Biologically because of the need to beget and protect children, women need a man able to provide for and protect a family. It is a harsh world out there and a strong man is needed to accomplish this. This need is native and existes at the level of INSTICNT and cannot be wished or educated away.
Therefore, if she actually hooks up with her "ideal mate" (sensitive, deferential, weak) she is miserable because he is not a real man and she cannot respect him. Divorce is likely. If she hooks up with a real man she immediately sets out "changing" (i.e. emasculating) him and once she succeeds in destroying him she loses all respect for the poor fool. Again, divorece is likely.
Because of this opposed and mutually exclusive dichotomy your average modern American woman is basically mentally unbalanced when it comes to forming a relationship with a man. She is insane when it comes to men and family. This is not a slight or a joke, she is factually INSANE in this area.
(All the above applies to women no matter how good looking or ugly she be. While the ugly woman may be more accomoding in the beginning of a relationship, once she has a kid or two all bets are off.)
Because of all this I pity American women.
I pity the bums I see on the street as well, but I don't give them money because I know it really won't help them and in fact will only encourage their misery. So I treat American women the same. I am polite and respectfull, but I don't condone or encourage their condition. I encourage all other men to do the same.
It's like the sign at the Zoo that says "Don't Feed The Animals."
Most men would never consider marrying a woman with a drug or alcohol problem, or who was suicidal, or who had any other serious mental disorder, so why hook up with an "independant" woman?
She will only drive you insane as well.
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Sun Devil
I don't dispute at all that there are high-powered, highly-paid corporate women out there. That being said, they may live well-off in their later years if they WISELY invest the money they earn NOW, BUT put a man and a woman (both are veterans of the workforce) of equal age and equal comfortable monetary circumstance TOGETHER, and the MAN is gonna be able to hook up with a hot young chick 98 times out of 100 compared to 2 times for the woman of similar age and financial lot to hook up with a young male stud.
We may hear of the recent phenomenon(?) of the younger male hooking up with the older female, but where do we hear it from? Hollywood. Even THEN, we don't get a deluge of examples. Out in the REAL WORLD, with people who are NOT famous, the OVERWHELMING amount of the time you will see a middle aged guy with a young trophy chick on his arm.
Also remember that these high-powered, highly-paid women may be choosy, but they also don't seem to take into account that time is their enemy MORE SO than a man's. They have to battle the Biological Clock, and as cruel as it may seem, on average, youngers dudes are NOT attracted to older women the same way or as often as younger women are attracted to older MEN. Their "currency" (their attractiveness to the eye of the beholder, or the male public) quickly loses its value over time. They have LESS time and MORE pressure to land a premium man because of these circumstances. A distantly related example is when I was watching 20/20. It featured a segment on career women (ALL HEIFERS) who were high-powered and highly-paid, but never had children or took the time to seek out a mate. These women were regretful that they didn't take the time from their careers to concentrate on said matters, BUT they DID seek out the assistance of IV fertilization. They may now have children since they are now past the safe age to procreate, but ALL were without a mate to share a life with or to share the upbringing of the child.
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Guys,
American women are not that hard to figure out, or to get in the sack. The reason why most of you find the pickings better in other countries is in other countries a 40-year old pot-bellied hairy-backed non-multi-lingual European/American can provide an 18-24 year old hottie with something she really needs. That thing is, of course, as much cash for an hour's acting like you're something hot as she'd get for a week or two working hard in a factory or store or on a farm.
You can also get hot American women under 25 if you've got sufficent cash, even if you're nothing special. American women can support themselves comfortably without a man, and so most of the hotties don't have to settle for selling themselves for next to nothing.
American women like a guy who's capable of giving them some company that makes them feel good about themselves, and recognizes that they're not dependent. If you can be interested in them -- or many them think that you are -- and have a good time with them without sex it's easy to get them to take a flyer on a bedroom visit. But if all you can do is offer to buy them dinner, and you look like s***, don't expect to get a hottie.
American women can be wild. They like sex as much as women from other countries. If you try to buy them, though, you'll find they're really expensive and it doesn't make most of them happy. One of the best extended periods I ever had with a woman was with on a month-long vacation in Europe with a woman paying her own way. If she bought lunch, I bought dinner, etc. And she kept me drained for the entire week, including during her period, when she gobbled me 2-3 times a day just to keep me happy. I didn't try to watch sports shows or get plastered or dump her to hang out with guys.
If your american women aren't seeming to have as many orgasms as your foreign ******, the problem isn't with the American women -- it's that the ****** are faking it well enough for you not to know the difference.
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Quote by Shadow Lance:
"Because of this opposed and mutually exclusive dichotomy your average modern American woman is basically mentally unbalanced when it comes to forming a relationship with a man. She is insane when it comes to men and family. This is not a slight or a joke, she is factually INSANE in this area."
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Insane, eh? I've never thought of it that way... But now that you mention it, the things they do never seem to make much sense. Personally, I've always thought that this "insanity" was because they always think EMOTIONALLY instead of LOGICALLY- but then again, that may be the very definition of "Insane".
Either way, you do bring up an interesting point.
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Diggidy, I have to make a comment on what you said. First of all most of my travel is to other developed first world nations with a standard of living similar to the US. Most of the women I have met abroad aren't poor desperate third world types. I have gotten laid in Australia as well as many wealthy Western European countries. First of all I know what most American women want, they want get as much out of a guy as they possibly can, even if you look like Brad Pitt, if you don't have money you're not going to get laid. I have slept with a lot of women, particularly with German and Scandinavian women, by the way the average wage in Germany is around $35 an hour including benefits, which is double that of the average US wage of $15 hourly, assuming that the average working German makes more in benefits than the average working American, you would think that German women would be more materialistic, NOT!!! German chics are some of the least materialistic women I have encountered, you should see the guys they hook up with on their summer vacations in the Mediterranean. American women are just not very enjoyable.
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"Figuring out" American women takes a considerable amount of jumping through hoops and I'm no longer willing to be like a Jack Russell Terrier jumping through them in a three-ring circus to do so. I have LESS trouble in the RING, where I have to instantaneously "figure out" how, where and when to land a punch or a kick that will defeat my opponent. In my experiences here and abroad, American women lay so many obstacles in front of a guy that by the time he's gotten through them all, he then finds that the object of his quest is not as palatable as he had originally envisioned. All that bullshit that American women tell a guy about it "being worth it" (the prize they will bestow upon hapless guy at the end of the chase) it just so much crap. Who wants to eat a lot of shit sandwiches with the PROMISE (which is revokable at ANYTIME by HER) of receiving a prize that is "worth it" after the guy endures all the half-truths and the mind games? I yanked the label of "Sucker" off my forehead LONG AGO, and I hope my bretheren do the same.
Conversation between myself and foreign women (like CBGB, I also have gotten laid by women in thriving economies) is easy and natural; it comes without any defense mechanisms because one party isn't immediately raising their shields. Just my opinion...
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And honestly I already know about the scams a lot of women in third world countries play on Western men. They marry you then when the green card arrives, they dump you and take half of your money. I already knew about this, that's why I avoid third world countries and women who look like they are in financial desperation. A lot of the women I have met in Europe, Australia, and parts of Canada, aren't starving and eager to use me as a meal ticket. I am not a wealthy person and don't pretend I am something else to get laid in these countries, I act like a regular person and get laid, therefore I know for sure that the women likes me for me, not anything that I may provide to her.
And look at it this way, there is a ton of violence in American movies and television shows. If anysexual in content is on an American TV show or movie, people make a big stink over it. In Europe and Australia, its different, people make a big stink about violence instead. There was a really violent videogame that came out in the US which was BANNED in Australia. When I watch pro Wrestling here in Australia, there is a warning message "Attention Parents, the following program depicts scenes of violent and abhorent behavior, this program may not be suitable for children." Then on the same channel there is a movie about a man and a woman trapped on an island running around naked and had an explicit scene with the lady spreading her legs and showing her vagina, the interesting thing is that no parental warning preceded that program.
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I remember seeing one of these Green Card scams while living in the Republic of Panama. I was living in the capital city and a downstairs neighbor (a G.I. who was young, dumb and full of cum) was married to what appeared to me even at 11 years old to be a conniving barracuda who wanted nothing more than to get the card, suck the guy dry financially and bolt at the first opportunity. Granted, I didn't witness the entire family dynamic, but I saw one of the tragic outcomes: the daughter who desperately seemed to cling to MY family because we seemed happier than hers was. If I ever went the marriage route (yeah, and Dubya is gonna march front and center in New York's Gay Pride Parade arm in arm with Pat Robertson while both are in drag) I'd make DAMN SURE that she came from a family that promoted old world family values. Pat and Dubya, I hear there's a sale on patent leather pumps at Macy's! LOL
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"American women like a guy who's capable of giving them some company that makes them feel good about themselves, and recognizes that they're not dependent. If you can be interested in them -- or many them think that you are -- and have a good time with them without sex it's easy to get them to take a flyer on a bedroom visit. But if all you can do is offer to buy them dinner, and you look like s***, don't expect to get a hottie."
OK Hot Dog, how about some detail. Pot bellied, hairy backed old guys need as much help as they can get. What's your secret - be specific? How long between meeting your hotties and getting them into bed? Total expenditure prior to first lay? Tell us about a typical date. Batting average - bed partners per attempts? Number of women boinked per year? Please share your expertise.
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Well I am not certain why American Women are so screwed up but having spent time overseas most of the BS I have read here over the past few days doesn't add up. I have some theories though. First let’s check some math.
In China where I am living now there are 200,000,000 more men than women. With some of the same issues to pull women out of the attractive group as in America. Some are fat by Chinese standards, some are f'in ugly, and I mean U G L Y! Some have homely faces, and so on. But I have dated dozens of chinese girls from average looking to unbelievably hot.
The numbers are the same there are probably 10 men to one girl for the ratio but the women are different. They are not bitches; most don't even want to spend your money. As a matter of fact a lot of the women I have dated have gone out of their way to save money. They pay for meals and transportation. When living in San Francisco bay area I rarely had a meal cooked by a women I dated even LTR's, and forget them cleaning. Here they cook, they clean my apartment, they rub my back, and they respect me in every way. In America I always felt if I got sex two to five times a week I was doing great here I get it ten times or as many as I want a day. Some of the girls like sex more, but even then I think they are just more willing to do things that please their man. These girls honestly want to help their husband/boyfriends. It doesn't matter if you are a Chinese man, or a big fat white guy. They treat you the same. I have seen a number of Asian countries and feel pretty much the same about all of them. It is not because I am white, I am certainly not wealthy even by their standards, and I am overweight. The only advantage I have is I am American. Definitely not enough benefit to justify the number of honest loving relationships as I have had. It is very hard to not grab one of these girls run and get married they are so much better than American Women. Most of you men bitching or defending American women would not be able to control yourself. You would be married before then end of your first week in China, or Korea, or Vietnam, or Thailand, or certainly any of the poorer countries.
It has been my experience that most of these women are independent. They will disagree with you and argue with you, and even go do things on their own. But through all of that they are always respectful. They respectfully disagree, they respectfully argue. What makes them different? Why are they more respectful I can’t tell you? They just are. I think that maybe part of the issue is that American women feel they have to tell the man he is wrong. They have to prove they are superior to men in order to satisfy their ego’s. The Chinese girls I have dated don’t try to feel superior and certainly don’t feel inferior they simply acknowledge the differences.
I think that part of the issue with American women is that they spend too much time and effort trying to prove that they are independent, not subservient, not sex objects. These issues are bore out by Oprah, and such TV and magazines. They spend all the time saying if a man does so and so he is bad. But they rarely give balance to the equation and say what is good for women to do. They also don’t provide a neutral unbiased view to all the women who watch and read these programs. For instance one girl I dated had an issue with how much I used the word “I.” Because Dr Phil said that a man that uses “I” to much is a bad man. This was on the first date. When you are describing your self and what you have done. You naturally say I, such as I am an outdoors man, I have raced motorcycles, I have gone skydiving and so forth. I asked her how you would say the things you have done without using the word I. She couldn’t answer me, but it is a good example of how these women are brainwashed by the media into bashing men. Unfortunately men and women in America bring their children up believing in this artificial concept of prince charming and the girls refuse to accept anything less than a wealthy handsome man that fits her view of what prince charming is. Sure lots of girls marry and date poor guys or ugly guys. But they don’t respect them. They always keep looking for prince charming, and bashing the man for not being their ideal.
It is kinda like that movie Bowling for Columbine. He never really gets to the reason Americans are violent. He never is able to answer why some countries have more guns per capita and less violence. He just states that is the way America is. BTW on the gun issue I currently live in China where normal citizens cannot own a gun. Violent crime still happens, and every few weeks you see a news report of the Chinese police grabbing a gang that has all types of guns including full auto AK47s. So for those that think outlawing guns will prevent criminals from having guns you’re full of ‘well you know.’
My personal view is that America is simply screwed up by all the psycho babble from both sides. America has a number of factors that completely destroyed the entire concept of personal responsibility. First there is the legal system that allows an idiot to sue someone for their own stupidity as in the tobacco lawsuits, McD’s coffee lawsuits, and so forth. Then the media sensationalizes normal problems creating this whole victim mentality in society for example it’s not your fault you were beaten as a child that is why you did it, or you were oppressed because of your skin color, or you have a chemical imbalance that you can’t control, blah, blah, blah. Then the puritanical crack heads on both sides want to outlaw this or regulate that you can’t build that here there is a frog that will be destroyed, or you can’t sell sex it is immoral and will destroy the country. Reminds me of one of my favorite George Carlin jokes: ‘Selling is legal, f’ing is legal why isn’t selling f’ing legal?!’ How can a good woman come out of such a screwed up mess!?
So all you guys in the US that want to find a girl that will make you hard every day and treat you nice and take care of you. The kind of girl that you feel happy that you do extra things for and help her, you should come to Asia. Although stay away from the islands like the Philippines or Indonesia, the women are crazy on average. They just might stab you with a knife. (Really I am not joking about the islands, I have several friends that have gotten into trouble with wives from these places.)
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Wicked SH,
Well said! You had me baffled at first when you said that some things don't add up, only to eloquently detail your theory on why American Women are so fucked up. I had to really scratch my chin (and agree with) and think about when you said that they need to prove a man wrong and the other related stuff you said. Forget an unbiased, balanced view coming from them. Admittedly, like a dumbass, when I was little, I bought into the Prince Charming crap until I saw that many of the WOMEN were the frogs waiting to be kissed. (If I got my fairy tales mixed up, sorry, all!) After banging my head against the wall for so many years and finally seeing the situation for what it really IS, I just said "Fuck it" regarding American Women. I was thinking that maybe Asian women are the way they are because in Asian societies, they are taught to think of the group or the community FIRST before themselves. If I'm wrong, feel free to smite my erroneous thinking!
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Hot Diggid Dog,
I think Sinanju Master pretty much summed it all up in explaining why we prefer chasing foreign skirts. I, like S.M., am also tired of jumping through hoops and "eating shit sandwiches". It seems that when a man tries to do it the "right" way ("just be yourself", etc.) the ladies just play him for a sucker. I'm simply tired of dealing with the neurotic bullshit.
And judging from the numerous posts in this forum it seems that I'm not alone.
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Wicked SH:
Thanks for the words of wisdom. An extraordinary post.