RN,
I see you're still shamelessly soliciting! Some things never change . . . And although I said "young guys", it would apply to "older guys" as well. And especially to divorced women with a kid or two . . . Peace - P
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RN,
I see you're still shamelessly soliciting! Some things never change . . . And although I said "young guys", it would apply to "older guys" as well. And especially to divorced women with a kid or two . . . Peace - P
Hmmmm Proko,
I wasn't sure if that was sarcasm there or a blatant insult, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Either way, I'm not "blonde" enough to try and solicit on a board full of Americans!! LOL What am I gonna do? Send them naughty letters and they can pay me by money order??? *G*
And by the way, I tend to like older men...for the exact same reasons that you stated in your post below. Less mind games, lower "clingy" factor and a refined sexual technique. I will always choose intelligence and experience over a boyish smile and staying power.
No insult intended . . . only an observation. But now I DO have a serious question. This may not be the right area -Amer Women? - but it would seem to me that you know a lot about what interests us. After all, this forum is for sharing useful info. As a former(?) profesional could you answer these somewhat personal questions??
How many clients would you see in a typical day? Week?
What % of men - if any- only wanted to talk, no sex?
What % wanted anal sex? Or something kinkier?
How was the money split? Tips?
What % of the men seemed nice or at least acceptable?
How often(%) did you truely enjoy the sex? And why?
Would you ever reject a client?
Were your experiences typical? What did the other girls say?
Inquiring minds need to know. You may well have answered some of these questions before. I don't remember that you did. Give us some more insight into the inner workings of a brothel. The mechanics, the schedule, infighting. We need useful tips to use in these situations. Believe me, this is not meant to embarass but to enlighten. Help us make things better - for the women as well as the men. . . -P
Don't mean to defend RN since she is more than capable of doing it by herself but Prokofiev I think your email is out of line and offensive (nice job the question mark in brackets after you wrote "former"...)
Even supposing that she is going to answer what are you going to do with those numbers?
Jerk off thinking about the 12% of people who were asking her for anal?
In my book who cannot spell PROFESSIONAL shouldn't be asking these questions.
Thank you stranger :)
I have to admit Proko, I am getting seriously bad vibes from your last couple of posts. I will answer your questions, just in case they are legitimate. First though I will say two things.
a) Yes I am a "former" worker. I have worked one day (for Christmas present money) in the last 14 months.
b) As pretty much the only woman in this entire forum, I flirt...because I can. I don't do it to solicit, which would be completely pointless anyway. I do it to try and lighten the mood when things get too serious. I am not trying to upset anyone with it...I just get uncomfortable when people are fighting.
Ok...
[i]How many clients would you see in a typical day? Week?[/i]
The most I ever saw on one shift was 11. Often there was none. My average for the week would probably be 10, or in busy periods, 15-20. I only worked short hours, and mainly did the day shift.
[i]What % of men - if any- only wanted to talk, no sex?[/i]
Not a very high percentage, but it certainly did happen here and there. Most times it was unintentional...if they had erectile problems or serious nerves. I would estimate though, that at least 50% of all clients wanted conversation and affection and touch primarily...the sex act was just a bonus to finish things off.
[i]What % wanted anal sex? Or something kinkier?[/i]
At a guess, maybe 30% asked for anal (which I didn't provide). However, I often told men on intro that I didn't offer it, so men who DID like it may not have bothered mentioning it. Interesting fact...probably at LEAST 60% wanted some form of anal stimulation done to THEM.
I have done X-dressing bookings, extreme fantasy stuff (with swordfights and bondage and all sorts of strange things!) and other relatively minor stuff, like massaging balls with my feet or squeezing them with my long fingernails. These types of bookings would be well less than 5% of clients. However, there are people who offer those particular services exclusively, so clients are more likely to visit those girls than go to a brothel.
[i]How was the money split? Tips?[/i]
I always worked for 60/40 in the girls' favour. That is the most common split in my state, but it differs from brothel to brothel, state to state and country to country. Tips are not part of the Oz culture, but they do happen. Anything from "keep the change" to $200. I know a girl who got a $500 tip from a guy who had just won big at the casino...and he only paid $180 for the original service! We sometimes got bottles of wine, perfume or jewellery instead of cash tips. (And no, tips were not split with the house).
[i]What % of the men seemed nice or at least acceptable?[/i]
At least 98%! I hardly ever had a problem with attitude, and violent tendencies were extremely rare. Almost every client I saw was a perfect gentleman, and even the ones who were not so friendly were at least respectful to a certain degree. That said, I am a tall, experienced woman who refuses to take any shit...those "vibes" probably eminated from me, and the troublemakers would have been less likely to pick me.
[i]How often(%) did you truely enjoy the sex? And why?[/i]
Most times (I don't know...maybe 80%?). Why? Because I am a very sensual person, I like to be touched, I got an ego boost from men telling me all day that I was hot, dressing up in sexy work gear put me in the mood...lots of reasons. I don't have any hangups about "meaningless" sex, and enjoyed it for what it was. I also didn't have a r/l boyfriend, which made work my only sexual outlet.
[i]Would you ever reject a client?[/i]
Very rarely. I did a couple of times, when they were really drunk or on drugs, or if my instinct told me they were dangerous. I never actually told them outright that I couldn't see them...I usually made up some diplomatic excuse (I'm just about to knock off work, you look too much like my uncle..whatever came to my mind on the spur of the moment!)
[i]Were your experiences typical? What did the other girls say?[/i]
My experiences were common among the other girls, but things differ greatly depending on things like your workplace, your age, your experience and your looks (height helps), amongst others. There is no ONE common sex industry experience, just like in any other job. Some, like me, came away with a very positive view and really happy memories...others are devastated by sex work.
Anyway, this has gone on too long, and I can't really see any benefit to talking brothel politics...especially as I live in a different country to pretty much all of you! Hope that was what you were looking for.
Those questions were very much "legitimate" and I am thankful for your honest (and rather complete!) answers. They were NOT meant to be offensive in the slightest. Nor Mr Stranger, do I think they were "out of line". This is a forum dedicated to sex with call girls, SW's and prostitutes. The who, where, how, how much, and how often is discussed in minute detail. If this type of discussion offends YOU then you shouldn't be here, since that is the ENTIRE POINT of the WSG site. What I find offensive is the continual attack on American Women as fat, greedy, unattractive and unsuitable for a relationship - repeated over and over again without adding any insight. All my WSG posts have been pro-woman, pro-safe sex, and repectful to sex workers. Although I have offered advice and information, I am more interested in learning from others and addressing questionable facts and behaviors (i.e AIDS and safe sex). If I can't ask RN these type of questions, who would I ask? Why would any of us post here if we weren't interested in these topics? Why would a woman put 100's of posts on this site about prostitution and find questions about it unsuitable?
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As to your answers, 60% wanted anal stimulation? That is a big surprise to me. 80% was enjoyable? I'm happy for you - although I can't believe that is true for most women. But it would be nice.
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Since this whole topic of Australian brothels has little to do with American Women, I will contemplate the rest elsewhere before I get flamed yet again. We can now return to complaining about the USA and whining about not getting laid. Enjoy . . .
Prokofiev,
I am sorry if I misread your intentions. The soliciting jibe and then the question mark after the word "former", kinda made me a bit defensive. And remember when we had that little problem way back, regarding my ad in the Oz section? And the...ummm...300lb American trucker accusation?? lol
I could be wrong, but I think I first posted on this site in October 2001. (Getting very close to my anniversary! lol) In that time I have always made it clear that ANY questions, so long as they aren't cruel or an insult to my intelligence, are appropriate to ask. That's the main reason why I'm here. If you don't ask, you don't know. I'm more than happy to give a female and/or sex worker perspective when it's asked for. And considering I'm practically the only woman who hangs out here...who else would you ask! I am rarely offended by anything that isn't outright flaming.
If you honestly want to know about brothel politics Proko, we have often discussed that sort of thing in the Morality section. Maybe we could take that discussion there? We've also been discussing mandatory testing lately.
Man, oh Man...I sure hope we don't run off another female poster on this board. For the guys having problems with American women--Isn't this pattern so familiar for you? Meet a woman, don't listen to what she's saying, insult her, get quasi-violent, and then whine about how women are so terrible. RN, don't ever leave...you demonstrate why men need women...
Fed up...Maybe your little change of topic was tongue in cheek, but you did raise a good point. Instead of the usual pity party in here ("Girls are bad, Men are good"), maybe a more constructive topic would be "How to meet American Women." Most men work under the assumption that potential relationship material can be "picked up". This is not the case. Basing your social life on the "pick up" is like planning your monthly budget by playing the lottery. Luck will shine on you every so often, but don't count on it. My suggestion for everyone is to just forget about women for a while and do something that you're passionate about. (Art, finance, sports, whatever) When women get a gander at your passion, they will approach you. Once again, I'm not bragging, but every women that I've ever had a relationship with has approached me. I immersed myself in my writing and often did readings of my poetry and prose. Regardless of my lack of conventional good-looks and wealth, women began to talk to me. Most men here think that women are attracted to monetary wealth primarily, but this is a mis-conception. Women are attracted to passion in all forms (Of course, as with anything, there are always exceptions). The thinking is "If he's passionate about working out (or whatever) then he must be passionate about other things (sex, romance, whatever). It just so happens that passionate people often happen to be successful financially, but I know many women who are head over heels in love with poor, but exciting men.
Proko has the right idea, if something is broken, fix it. If you don't choose to fix it, then you must like where you're at.
CBGB...for the life of me I just can't figure out why you are still in the USA if you want to be in Europe so bad. I travelled around a bit and fell in love with Mexico, so I decided to stay. Everything else just worked itself out. If you feel so strongly about something, then do it. Anything worthwhile is worth taking a risk for. And with regards to your comparison between the woman on the Metro in France and the woman on the subway in New York: Maybe the men in France are generally more respectful of women, so the French lady didn't feel the need to be so defensive. And maybe the New Yorker needs that defensive attitude to fend off the weirdos and perverts who come on to her constantly in very inapropriate ways. Ask any attractive, American woman and she will read off a whole laundry list of dangerous and/or weird situations that she's encountered in her daily life. Are American women more defensive/cold toward strangers? Maybe. But this is the case because they need to be this way in order to stay safe.
Miller2k,
I agree with you on virtually everything you've said in that last post.
Yesterday I went to a club with a friend (trying out the "pick-up" model). It failed miserably. I'm not particularly hot stuff, but I'm also not not particularly hot stuff (and the guy to girl ratio was pretty favorable that night). *Shrugs*.
It really does seem that the way to mate and relate is bound up in meeting women in your everyday life. *Sighs*. I could definitely use some help in that area (although I am improving).
However, I wonder about having "passion" as a women-drawer. I would say I'm passionate about Argentine Tango (the dance) ... stereotypically you would think this would be a great way to meet women, but in reality, it is a horrible way (because of my location). So my "passion" just doesn't help. Likewise, I would say I'm passionate about some of the music I listen to, but ... well, that just doesn't do it. *Shrugs*.
David
P.S. The women at the aforementioned club were (on average) nice looking.
I just came back for the weekend from Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Now I am really starting to wonder why I have more luck abroad, is it me? Or is it the women? I met a nice French Canadian hottie that looked like Christie Turlington, real real sweet. Better than the he-females I keep running into in Manhattan.
David,
Say it isn't so! The Tango is NOT a great way to meet women? How is that possible? I had been planning to make tango my next "new project"! Explain please before I make a terrible mistake . . .
Miller
"Basing your social life on the "pick up" is like planning your monthly budget by playing the lottery."
Very good line! And very true . . You are turning into the "Shakespeare" of WSG posts.
I read some interesting statistics, there are about 46 McDonalds in the US for every 1 million people, in most European countries its about a fraction of that, for example in Britain there are about 18.3 McDonald's for every 1 million people, In France there are 14.4. So we eat a lot more fast food and its making us very unhealthy it's no wonder when I walk out of the house why I see so many fat people.
Hi guys (and ladies) I have not posted on this american women board, but I have been reading it for a few weeks now and I have enjoyed the intelligent (and the less than intelligent) points of view here.
I am from Boston so I get up to Montreal a couple of times a year. I can confirm that Montreal should be considered one of the worlds great places to go for a sex vacation. Outcall sex is legal there and they don't play the con games that are common in the USA, also because of the exchange rates the prices are low. Its also a great city to enjoy and your costs for most things will be much lower than in the United States. (ciggarettes, liquor and gas are not cheaper because of taxes)
On the McDonalds statistics; I have been to Paris and I have also noticed that the women in Paris as a group are fairly thin. I have also noticed though that the food served around Paris is very high in fat. The reason everything there tastes so damn good is that everything is loaded with butter. Also if you have ever eaten traditional British food you will agree that most of it is also loaded with fat.
This is just my observation, but has anybody else noticed that if you walk into a discount store like say,,K Mart or Wall Mart,,,most of the customers are overweight. In more upscale stores or in places that attract a more educated crowd most people are much more trim.
Adding my two cents on meeting women,,,,clubs are a waste of time if your going there just to meet women. Women will want to know you a bit before they get involved with you, and they can't do that in twenty minutes of shouting over loud music. I have mostly met women through friends, but any social or volunteer activity that allows you to spend time with other people is a good bet. You can't think of it as a one day thing, it takes a little time for her to get to know you and you her. Also resist the urge to tell all about your acomplishments, you don't have to impress her.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prokofiev
[i]David,
Say it isn't so! The Tango is NOT a great way to meet women? How is that possible? I had been planning to make tango my next "new project"! Explain please before I make a terrible mistake . . . [/i][/QUOTE]
Well, in NYC City there are at least a couple places every night that have Tango dances (Milongas, Practicas) as well as tango Classes. There are lots of available ladies at these dances. More women than men.