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[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Man...Wave 1 has already began in Asian countries..more and more feminist are taking admiration from the feminist west and have started sort of movement in Asia.
Its better to fukc today and not wait for tommaorw :)[/QUOTE]I’m sure you’re correct, American feminist won’t be satisfied until they impose their affliction on men the world over.
the feminist of today is sorely out of touch with the average womans concerned and needs.
They are more concerned with turning a manhole into a personhole and chairman into a chairperson... They want us to keep our maidens name when we marry (if we marry) and have failed to realise that by keeping our maiden name we are merely choosing one mans (our father) name over our husband. This doesn't empower woman it is merely whitewashing over the things that the average woman is concerned about and allowing the feminist movement to believe they are doing some good.
Feminism works best when you work with the men in your life to contribute to society in the whole. Not try and make men become down trodden or uplift women to a status above men.
After all when both sexes work together to the mutual benefit the world and relationships both family and personal will strengthen. There will be no need for a feminist movement as men will happily work with women and respect their needs and desires. Just as women should do for men.
I don't believe that any one sex is better than the other or worse. We both have different strengths and weaknesses. The faster feminists respect men for their strengths and acknowledges womens weaknesses the quicker they will all be out of a job. Maybe this is why they are so hell bent on alienating men from society.
Who knows? Maybe we have all forgotten how much we need the other sex. Not only to reproduce but because we can compliment each other in all aspects of life and achieve remarkable things with a little co operation. Sadly the feminists only know how to co operate when its going their way.
There are many different kinds of feminism, and a good half of them probably DO support women embracing their sexuality instead of denying it!
I certainly don't think NYC is anything like the rest of this country. But it WAS a bastion of tolerance compared to many other more socially retarded regions, now that's even gone!
[QUOTE=Punter 127]I’m sure you’re correct, American feminist won’t be satisfied until they impose their affliction on men the world over.[/QUOTE]
Nope. They're curiously quiet on what's going on in the fundamentalist Muslim world, which just reveals their hypocrisy. Compared to what's going on there (stoning, flogging, honor killings, female genital mutilation, 10 steps behind the husband, no driving, etc), they get a swell ride in N. America.
I'd love to see a crusade by them, but that'd be just expecting too much.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]Nope. They're curiously quiet on what's going on in the fundamentalist Muslim world, which just reveals their hypocrisy..
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I agree they’re quiet but I’m sure they’re not happy with that situation, and they pick their battles carefully. If they thought they could accomplish anything and the political climate was right they would speak out. I also suspect they’re fearful of the “fundamentalist Muslim world”, probably with good reason.
I am still laughing at the responses. Double standard, anyone?
[url]http://health.yahoo.com/experts/menlovesex/72335/6-sneaky-ways-to-a-better-looking-partner/[/url]
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]Nope. They're curiously quiet on what's going on in the fundamentalist Muslim world, which just reveals their hypocrisy. Compared to what's going on there (stoning, flogging, honor killings, female genital mutilation, 10 steps behind the husband, no driving, etc), they get a swell ride in N. America.
I'd love to see a crusade by them, but that'd be just expecting too much.[/QUOTE]
NO!!! Feminists are NOT quiet about the rest of the world including the Islamic world. They ARE seeking to make female genital mutiliation a human crime and grounds for political asylum. They ARE promoting US style feminism to women in developing countries.
It only [i]seems[/i] like they are quiet because the media doesn't report on those activities.
I tried to find information about the monger situation in USA.
Where can I find it?
[QUOTE=Dick1]I tried to find information about the monger situation in USA.
Where can I find it?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/[/url]
[QUOTE=George90]NO!!! Feminists are NOT quiet about the rest of the world including the Islamic world. They ARE seeking to make female genital mutiliation a human crime and grounds for political asylum. They ARE promoting US style feminism to women in developing countries.
It only [i]seems[/i] like they are quiet because the media doesn't report on those activities.[/QUOTE]
Dude..Can you blame them on this one?? I mean..do you want your unit shaved off? I tried to do an Ethiopian at "THE Y" in Dubai and she basically just laid there. Her man in the boat had been cut away.
of course female genital mutilation is horrible and unacceptable, as is all violence.
but feminists fixate on "violence against women", ignoring and taking for granted all the violence against men: dangerous jobs (how many women die in coal mines?), war, prison [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] & assault (more often joked about), hazing in the military, school, and on sports teams that sometimes results in serious injury or death, and the very much unreported fact of domestic violence against men particularly among the elderly. feminists, and the media and society at large, are curiously silent and devoid of any sense of outrage on these things.
furthermore, feminists cheapen the whole notion of violence. when it comes to porn, uncoerced p4p, consensual heterosexual sex, and placing a swimsuit calendar at my desk at work, they call all those things "violence against women".
Women don't want equality. They want superiority. They will scream all day and night about being "equal" until they realize that being equal means being given the same treatment and bearing the same expenses as a man. The latest responses to lawsuits aiming to put an end to "ladies night" clearly demonstrate this. Of course, there are also "men" who wish to continue buying drinks for parasitic barflies in the vain hope that they will become drunk enough to reveal hidden sluttiness. These losers argue in favor of keeping a stiletto heel firmly planted in the American man's ball sack. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/comments?type=story&id=3412561[/url]
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I agree with you mostly the only thing I can say is this -
When I preach the problems with AW, I generally get an understanding nod from the people within ear shot.
I am not anti-social nor do I harbor ill feelings towards most women. I just don't feel the need to play the game they have largely created because of their bad choices when it comes to men. I have long said that some women should have other people select their mates because they do such a poor job of if themselves. Same goes for Men, but I think some men are desiring to be controlled by some woman.
Why should I date an ugly woman or an ugly and fat woman??? That is what is largely available to me because I -
A) I don't make $50,000 a year
B) I drive a car most people under 25 would own (I love it!)
C) I live at home (changing soon)
Okay so it looks like I will be buying real estate. However I do not care to use that to my advantage with local women. I feel I'll get a better quality "over there" just plain BETTER.
Not saying I can't find that here and not likely in my social circle...
Its much quicker to go to Europe. I did not go to Europe and fuck around on anybody I was committed to because I wasn't committed to anybody. Now one particular German woman my disagree with that, but the TRUTH was, I put her 2nd on the list which she didn't like and tried selection #1. That backfired and I generally didn't recover from that.
So I am not being an expat and fucking up the market over there.
I like European women because they largely don't care about A or B. C would happen regardless, so they are not worried about that either.[/QUOTE]
Money, nice digs, and fancy wheels are what all women want. If you ain't got it (or don't effaciosuly convey that you have it) you will get no play. Women from Europe and other places are just as bad or worse than AA in this regard.
Here's what you need to do: go to KBR's website and apply multiple times. You can go to Iraq for a year and come home with 85,000+ in the bank. You will work 7 days a week for 12-14 hours a day, but after the year is up you can chill for a some time while living the life that you dream about.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]
Here's what you need to do: go to KBR's website and apply multiple times. You can go to Iraq for a year and come home with 85,000+ in the bank. You will work 7 days a week for 12-14 hours a day, but after the year is up you can chill for a some time while living the life that you dream about.[/QUOTE]
......not nearly enough money to risk my life IMHO. It would have to be 10 times that amount for me to sign up. Anyway what good is all that money if you end up maimed or worse dead.
It escapes me that folks can go 1/2 around the world for some snatch for a week or two but can't go 1/2 way around the world for themselves, and, by doing so, equip themselves with the ability to get quality snatch for a lifetime.
No money no honey is the rule of the day.
Unless you are lucky enough to have your kin bequeath substantial sums to you (or you win the lottery) you need to make a bunch of money on your own accord to be an international lady's man. If you are not in a high paying career field and lack the ability to put yourself into one, spending a few years living under austere conditions while making major bank is a great way to enable one to live the life that they dream about.
I'm presently back in the Sandbox, living in the IZ with no expenses, making just under 200k a year. This kind of loot enables me to do whatever/mostly I want--within reason--in a mongering destination of my choice for an extended period of time.
even if my leg gets blown off-- which it won't, I'm more scared driving in EE then I am living in the IZ--it really won't matter because most 2nd and 3rd world women place money at the top of the pantheon of love. i will be a no legged fucking machine.
Grinding away in America for the average Joe will do nothing but make him a lurker on this board bitching about this and that instead of a member that posts pictures of hot women.
and find ways to avoid taxes, thats really saves a lot :D
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]
I'm presently back in the Sandbox, living in the IZ [/QUOTE]
As was I. I'll never forget that feeling when I finally landed in Kuwait and knew I was FREE!
After nearly a year (without R&R) I hit Thailand, Cambodia, Singapore, and the Philippines to unwind and cash was not a problem. My two month vacation probably ran me around $12k, all while staying at premium hotels and banging top tier trim.
I live in DC where it isn't much cheaper anyway, so good for you and have a great time whereever you go.
2J
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]......not nearly enough money to risk my life IMHO. It would have to be 10 times that amount for me to sign up. Anyway what good is all that money if you end up maimed or worse dead.[/QUOTE]
Your choice. There are tens of thousands of contractors and very few casualties, in fact I would wager it is safer in the IZ than driving here on the DC Beltway.
CNN's fear mongering is working, but that only means that the pay scale continues to be high for those of us who are in fact willing to go.
I was making just under $30k per month as a 1099 when I left. But those days will soon be at an end, as living conditions and security continues to improve and congressional funding declines.
2J
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Women don't want equality. They want superiority. They will scream all day and night about being "equal" until they realize that being equal means being given the same treatment and bearing the same expenses as a man. The latest responses to lawsuits aiming to put an end to "ladies night" clearly demonstrate this. [/QUOTE]These girls are the easiest to tame and cheat on. Trust me. It's the clinchy ones who put on a guilt trip that traps you. The superiority ones are the best to date, fuck, and then leave with all your pride intact.
[QUOTE=Too Jaded]As was I. I'll never forget that feeling when I finally landed in Kuwait and knew I was FREE!
After nearly a year (without R&R) I hit Thailand, Cambodia, Singapore, and the Philippines to unwind and cash was not a problem. My two month vacation probably ran me around $12k, all while staying at premium hotels and banging top tier trim.
I live in DC where it isn't much cheaper anyway, so good for you and have a great time whereever you go.
2J[/QUOTE]
i assume you are out-of-country? dam, 30K a month...what were you doing?
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]i assume you are out-of-country? dam, 30K a month...what were you doing?[/QUOTE]
Well, you gotta remember I was 1099 so I not only paid for my own expenses (including plane tickets, consulate fees, tools and equipment) but also had no benefits and had to pay my own employer match on my taxes and social security. I had no vacation time, no R&R breaks, no one to relieve me in an emergency.
In the contracting world it would have been the same as a job making one-third to one-half that amount but with typical benefits and R&R built in.
But, we totally digress. This is the American Women thread, not the Iraq thread (read my Report of Distinction in that thread from as year ago).
2J
The AW in question wanted the sperm donor of her children to pay up to $1,500 a month in child support, in addition to $66,000 in back-support, after she promised him he wouldn't have to. Even having sex with a paper cup in this country is risky!
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080103/ap_on_re_us/sperm_donor_1[/url]
HARRISBURG, Pa. - The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that a woman who promised a sperm donor he would not have to pay child support cannot renege on the deal.
The 3-2 decision overturns lower court rulings under which Joel L. McKiernan had been paying up to $1,500 a month to support twin boys born in August 1994 to Ivonne V. Ferguson, his former girlfriend and co-worker.
"Where a would-be donor cannot trust that he is safe from a future support action, he will be considerably less likely to provide his sperm to a friend or acquaintance who asks, significantly limiting a would-be mother's reproductive prerogatives," Justice Max Baer wrote in the majority opinion issued last week.
Arthur Caplan, chairman of the Department of Medical Ethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said the decision runs counter to the pattern established by similar cases, where the interests of the progeny have generally been given great weight.
"It sounds like the Pennsylvania court is trying to push a little harder into the brave new world of sperm, egg and embryo donation as it's evolving," Caplan said.
McKiernan's lawyer, John W. Purcell Jr., said Wednesday an adverse decision against his client would have jeopardized the entire system of sperm donation.
"That wouldn't just include Pennsylvania, because we found out in the course of this trial that many doctors order their sperm for their artificial inseminations out of state," he said.
Ferguson and McKiernan met while working together at Pennsylvania Blue Shield in Harrisburg and had a sexual relationship that waned before Ferguson persuaded him to donate sperm for her.
Courts found that the two agreed McKiernan would not have to pay child support and would not have visitation rights, but Ferguson later changed her mind and sued.
A county judge said it was in the twins' best interests that McKiernan be required to support them. In addition to monthly payments, McKiernan also was ordered to come up with $66,000 in back support. The appeal reverses that order.
Elizabeth Hoffman, Ferguson's lawyer, did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment left at her office Wednesday.
Justice J. Michael Eakin, in a dissent, said a parent cannot bargain away a child's right to support. "The children point and say, 'That is our father. He should support us,'" Eakin wrote. "What are we to reply? 'No! He made a contract to conceive you through a clinic, so your father need not support you.' I find this unreasonable at best."
This is precisely why all serious mongers should be vasectomized. I got sued by an AW once for paternity, years after my vasectomy. Bringing in the evidence, seeing the look on her face, the judge asking me, "Did you tell her you were sterile?" and me saying, "She never asked!" All priceless to me after all these years. The judge made her pay all costs, including my lawyer and, importantly, including all my lost wages and transportation costs incurred. This was before DNA.
The best part was her swearing up and down her fidelity while I a) knew I was sterile and b) knew exactly who the father was, due to my extensive contacts in the community. So after delivering the verdict, the judge asked if we had anything else to say. She said, "Ummm I guess not, Your Honor." I said, "Two words: (father of baby)." She turned white as a ghost.
Twenty years later I am still laughing about this. Sitting in those hearings was way easier than the job I had at the time and I got paid for every minute of it. She even had to pay for the doctor's appointment where I jacked off in the cup. So bring it on! Pay me to jack off!
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Money, nice digs, and fancy wheels are what all women want. If you ain't got it (or don't effaciosuly convey that you have it) you will get no play. Women from Europe and other places are just as bad or worse than AA in this regard.
Here's what you need to do: go to KBR's website and apply multiple times. You can go to Iraq for a year and come home with 85,000+ in the bank. You will work 7 days a week for 12-14 hours a day, but after the year is up you can chill for a some time while living the life that you dream about.[/QUOTE]
Funny you mention that... I've been on KBR's web site off and on, as you know I have a Class A currently going unused generally and thought I could maybe find something over there. I didn't quite find what I was looking for, so I could try again and I HEARD that if you know somebody already working there and in good standing that is your inside track, so DD is that what your doing?
If so hook a brotha up!
My boy's pop is making some serious cheddar from his gigs in "the sand box" its a utter shame we have to go into conflicted areas ie: dangerous work to make "bank" but such is life.
Back to my original post -
Money doesn't solve everything, its a tool. A tool I loath to use to get women locally to pay attention to me.
I made a mistake, I admit it, German girl #2 would have worked at Wal-Mart if that meant having a stable lifestyle, she wasn't comfortable being #2, yelled at me on my pre-paid SIM card for about 20 mins, kids and all, driving her car.
I went after hot Norwegian girl and it backfired, thems the breaks.
I wanna make money for the things I want, I could care less what a woman expects to have, that a game mostly American women play. That is not to say some European women play that game too. Generally the better looking they are the more likely they are to play that game and maybe that's why I'll more than likely end up with -
a) Better than Average FSU girl
b) Better than Average Western European girl
c) Nobody at all
I have a few last resort tactics in mind, deperation is not an option, so I'll either get what I want or get comfortable fucking women in their 40's because I'll be 40 soon.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]It escapes me that folks can go 1/2 around the world for some snatch for a week or two but can't go 1/2 way around the world for themselves, and, by doing so, equip themselves with the ability to get quality snatch for a lifetime.
No money no honey is the rule of the day.
Unless you are lucky enough to have your kin bequeath substantial sums to you (or you win the lottery) you need to make a bunch of money on your own accord to be an international lady's man. If you are not in a high paying career field and lack the ability to put yourself into one, spending a few years living under austere conditions while making major bank is a great way to enable one to live the life that they dream about.
I'm presently back in the Sandbox, living in the IZ with no expenses, making just under 200k a year. This kind of loot enables me to do whatever/mostly I want--within reason--in a mongering destination of my choice for an extended period of time.
even if my leg gets blown off-- which it won't, I'm more scared driving in EE then I am living in the IZ--it really won't matter because most 2nd and 3rd world women place money at the top of the pantheon of love. i will be a no legged fucking machine.
Grinding away in America for the average Joe will do nothing but make him a lurker on this board bitching about this and that instead of a member that posts pictures of hot women.[/QUOTE]
Trust me brah I am down, I wanna go. I guess I have to apply several times as you stated. Fuck it, why the hell not? I should had done this 3 years ago, I wasted my time making a grand total of $35,000 in two years in a dead end position and muthafuckes wonder why I mad at work.
Quick Money Legally
DJ, KBR doesn’t employ people in my area of expertise, but since I’ve spent a substantive amount of time in the Sandbox since the invasion and because KBR is by far the largest private employer of Americans in Iraq I have a basic familiarity with them.
Unfortunately, I don’t really know anyone that works for them on more than a casual basis so I can’t hook you up. Due to the sheer magnitude of their operation and the inherent staff turnover that you are bound to find in a warzone, I don’t think that you need a personal connection to get the job. Some dudes may say to the contrary because they think it protects their nests.
What I have heard is that you need to apply online like everyday for a month before the recruiter calls you. I suggest that you apply for anything that you might be even remotely qualified for—shit like the MWR coordinator; he sits in the gym and hands out to towels to GIs. That’s gotta be the easiest $80,000+ the working man has ever made.
Another job which doesn’t have a whole lot of prerequisites is a badge maker. I think the company that has this contract is I3 Technologies. You make badges all day for 6 days a week for 90 days at a time but the money is good 65K+. You can’t be a felon or have a seriously fucked up credit report because they will process you for a security clearance. S
Finally, the best kept secret in the contracting world. With only three weeks training you can get a job in some of the best mongering locations—South East Asia & Africa—paying 80K+ a year. Check out the link.
[url]http://www.teex.com/teex.cfm?pageid=publicsafetyprog&area=publicsafety&templateid=1469[/url]
A former student of mine, who was a good guy but couldn’t catch a break, did this course and now has a very good lifestyle as a direct result of it.
Good luck and let me know if I can be of further assistance.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Quick Money Legally
DJ, KBR doesn’t employ people in my area of expertise, but since I’ve spent a substantive amount of time in the Sandbox since the invasion and because KBR is by far the largest private employer of Americans in Iraq I have a basic familiarity with them.
Unfortunately, I don’t really know anyone that works for them on more than a casual basis so I can’t hook you up. Due to the sheer magnitude of their operation and the inherent staff turnover that you are bound to find in a warzone, I don’t think that you need a personal connection to get the job. Some dudes may say to the contrary because they think it protects their nests.
What I have heard is that you need to apply online like everyday for a month before the recruiter calls you. I suggest that you apply for anything that you might be even remotely qualified for—shit like the MWR coordinator; he sits in the gym and hands out to towels to GIs. That’s gotta be the easiest $80,000+ the working man has ever made.
Another job which doesn’t have a whole lot of prerequisites is a badge maker. I think the company that has this contract is I3 Technologies. You make badges all day for 6 days a week for 90 days at a time but the money is good 65K+. You can’t be a felon or have a seriously fucked up credit report because they will process you for a security clearance. S
Finally, the best kept secret in the contracting world. With only three weeks training you can get a job in some of the best mongering locations—South East Asia & Africa—paying 80K+ a year. Check out the link.
[url]http://www.teex.com/teex.cfm?pageid=publicsafetyprog&area=publicsafety&templateid=1469[/url]
A former student of mine, who was a good guy but couldn’t catch a break, did this course and now has a very good lifestyle as a direct result of it.
Good luck and let me know if I can be of further assistance.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the insight and the link....
Unexploded Ordnance???
Now that is a JOB I know:
a) Hardly ANYBODY thinks about
b) 90% of the people on the planet wouldn't do in their right mind
c) I might be crazy enough to do it....
you don't disarm bombs or anything. your job is just to locate the munitions, mark it, cordon the area off, and then someone (or something else) gets rid of the ordanance. the job pays good money in exotic locations with lots of vacation time.
you may even be able to get the federal aid money to pay for or offset the costs of the course.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Thanks for the insight and the link....
Unexploded Ordnance???
Now that is a JOB I know:
a) Hardly ANYBODY thinks about
b) 90% of the people on the planet wouldn't do in their right mind
c) I might be crazy enough to do it....[/QUOTE]
Crickey......$6995.00 full participant rate for a 4week course. I wonder if this includes tuition, lodging and books.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Crickey......$6995.00 full participant rate for a 4week course. I wonder if this includes tuition, lodging and books.[/QUOTE]
At 7K, I would hope is all inclusive!
Taking this to PM's its off-topic...
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]your job is just to locate the munitions,[/QUOTE]
EOD was never something I wanted to do... even if it was only finding the unexploded ordinance and not actually disarming it. Bombs like to go off. It's what they do. Every EOD tech I ever met was slightly to severely loopy in the cranium.
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This is the board for discussing AW. If you wish to exchange information on being a mercenary, there are thousands of sites on which to do so.
While I am sure you can draw a connection between your topic and AW, I can make a connection between flea bites and the price of eggs in Mongolia.
[QUOTE=Yogin]This is the board for discussing AW. If you wish to exchange information on being a mercenary, there are thousands of sites on which to do so.
While I am sure you can draw a connection between your topic and AW, I can make a connection between flea bites and the price of eggs in Mongolia.[/QUOTE]
Didn't just say it was off topic? - :D
Well I don't come in contact with AW enough to constantly "bash" on them anyway and that discussion gets quite stale wouldn't you agree?
This is related, though distantly with the general AW discussion as it speaks to the need to make a large income to date top quality AW women. Frankly they would find this type of work "exciting" at the most and "interesting" at the least. After all, just how many people do you know are UXO techs and aren't ex-military who I would think usually takes types of jobs post-obligation.
There is the obvious element of danger that Doc speaks of, which is why many women like firemen, police men and military personal.
Yes Yogin, there is connection, though distant...
I am considering it as I don't have many options and I am getting to an age where age discrimination starts to become a factor in a few short years when it comes to higher paid employment/careers. I am interested in short-term training, high paid employment which is why I have a Class A.
Truck Driving is considered about as low brow as career choices get in Western culture, they aren't highly looked upon in Europe either and for good reason.
The requirements are not hard -
Be on time (and even that's adjustable)
Have a professional appearance (some actually pull that off)
That's basically IT...
In return for a STARTING salary of $31-34K, you give up your free time and your social status in most cases. As in any traveling profession, your devotion and commitment to relationships with the opposite sex is always called into question. You know how many times a casual discussion about my work turned into how many lot lizards ran into or if they existed???
Inside of 5 years and if you hustle, you can make $45-50K, not chump change and not rich either. At that point if your organized you can consider going "Owner/Operator". As many O/O's have told me, if you stay out of the titty bars, don't knock up some girl you meet on the road and pay child support, you can make a very decent living (75-80K net after taxes) and let's faces it, its not what I would call hard work driving a truck on cruise control@65 listening to Sirius or XM radio.
The hardest thing to do is back it into a dock and frankly with enough practice that isn't hard either.
Back to the original off-topic discussion of [i]mercenary[/i] work. I define such work is asking for a job, a gun and 2007 Bullet-Proof GMC Yukon from our friends at Blackwater and other "companies" under contact to the US Government.
Finding unexploded bombs is humanitarian work, just the other day Reuters reported young children playing with unexploded munitions and blew themselves up - [url]http://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_e/ipc_e-1/e_News/news2004/2004_01/034.html[/url]
This is not cows accidentally stepping on land mines and to this day they still find mines in Germany and Britain from WWII.
As Americans we are lucky that we only had the Civil War and Land Mines were not invented just yet. There's UXO clean up jobs in the States from War Games and converting former military bases to private sector use.
The main draw to this and a point that DD makes; this is international employment, allowing me to indulge in my new found love of chasing Scandinavian and Slavic women. I am of the opinion that only Germans and Brits make up the majority of transplants interested in IR relationships and they are mostly located on the [i]East Coast[/i] where I am on the [i]West Coast[/i] and I don't find chasing women across the country when they are basically no different appealing.
Lastly I would like to buy property and that means making house payments, something that is not possible on my current income (Down payment is not a problem). I also feel if done correctly a job like this while dangerous will allow me to do just what I want and in 5 years be where I want to be without 2-4 years of University training and making less overall.
There I tied it all together with the main topic of this board...
I can do better than that.
This is the AW thread. Or more aptly called the: “Get the fuck away from American women thread.”
This requires means and opportunity. Most dudes have neither the means nor opportunity to live in a place which will allow them to fuck hot non-american women.
I am providing advice to address this quandary.
The means to fuck lots of hot women all the world is money, charm, fame, and good looks. It’s hard to improve one’s affability overnight and most lads are not keen on going under the knife; thus, that leaves money as the only prerequisite that most of us can improve by our own gumption. I’m too much of a pussy to be a criminal so I am restricted to proffering advice on getting money quick legally.
Jobs, money, and mongering go hand-in-hand.
Opportunity
Even if you manage to make loads of money which will attract hot economically deprived women you need to be in a position to fuck them. Most rich dudes in America work like dogs. My former roommate did the whole post Ivy League thing and went to Wall Street. His bonus last year was 489K; however, he works 90+ hours each week and when his grandpa died his boss refused to let him attend the funeral as a pitch book needed to be completed.
Raj does not have the opportunity to apply deodorant let alone to fuck.
Therefore, an international fucker needs a job which will allow him to have the money to attract women while simultaneously having the opportunity to fuck them. There are very few jobs which satisfy both requirements (multinational executives/consultants, diplomats, aid workers, and pro athletes)…I guess that the trenching profession would marginally meet this criterion.
Being a contractor—which is not a mercenary-- is a comparatively easy way to have both the opportunity and the means to fuck hot women.
That’s what the ISG is all about.
I think that the correlation is blatantly apparent and not excessively off-topic.
Thanks DD, I appreciate your info.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]I can do better than that.
This is the AW thread. Or more aptly called the: “Get the fuck away from American women thread.”
This requires means and opportunity. Most dudes have neither the means nor opportunity to live in a place which will allow them to fuck hot non-american women.
I am providing advice to address this quandary.
The means to fuck lots of hot women all the world is money, charm, fame, and good looks. It’s hard to improve one’s affability overnight and most lads are not keen on going under the knife; thus, that leaves money as the only prerequisite that most of us can improve by our own gumption. I’m too much of a pussy to be a criminal so I am restricted to proffering advice on getting money quick legally.
Jobs, money, and mongering go hand-in-hand.
Opportunity
Even if you manage to make loads of money which will attract hot economically deprived women you need to be in a position to fuck them. Most rich dudes in America work like dogs. My former roommate did the whole post Ivy League thing and went to Wall Street. His bonus last year was 489K; however, he works 90+ hours each week and when his grandpa died his boss refused to let him attend the funeral as a pitch book needed to be completed.
Raj does not have the opportunity to apply deodorant let alone to fuck.
Therefore, an international fucker needs a job which will allow him to have the money to attract women while simultaneously having the opportunity to fuck them. There are very few jobs which satisfy both requirements (multinational executives/consultants, diplomats, aid workers, and pro athletes)…I guess that the trenching profession would marginally meet this criterion.
Being a contractor—which is not a mercenary-- is a comparatively easy way to have both the opportunity and the means to fuck hot women.
That’s what the ISG is all about.
I think that the correlation is blatantly apparent and not excessively off-topic.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080109/od_nm/brothel_dc;_ylt=AqPAkeUK3ecknZulaKUuoUms0NUE[/url]
Last week I suffered a bout of insupportable horniness and couldn’t do my usual traveling so I succumbed to rooting a fairly attractive AW. I did the typical dinner deal and once the formalities were over she asked where we were headed after leaving the restaurant. I told her that we were going to root the look on her face was priceless. As I drove around looking for a suitable fuck venue she pointed some high priced hotels on the strip. I told her that I had no intention of walking into one of those late at night without reservations and paying top dollar for a few hours. I finally found a decent looking motel and got a room. Once in the room she started flipping through the TV channels and began bitching because there were no premium movie channels. I told her that I wasn’t there for the cable, grabbed a beer and promptly went to work sucking on a nipple. She was in heaven and the drawers went flying across the room in the twinkling of an eye. Soon I had her knees trussed up next to ears as I rooted her pussy for the next half hour until I popped. Another beer break followed then I rooted her pussy for an hour in the same position then doggy until I quit without popping because I needed another cold beer. Then round three followed ending without a pop after another hour. At that point we went to sleep for three hours then the little head woke up so I attempted to initiate round four. My AW companion protested loudly that I wasn’t letting her sleep and she had to work the next day at eleven. She jumped up from the bed and headed to the other one where she spent the rest of the night.
Total cost for the night of plain sex without oral and plenty of attitude was $160.00 without accounting for time and opportunity cost. I will not repeat.
On another note, it seems that one can do quite well in America as a man providing that marriage and children are avoided. This old guy made millions on an hourly wage that never exceeded $11/hr. [url]http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_stories/20080113_Donor_built_millions_on__11_an_hour.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Last week I suffered a bout of insupportable horniness and couldn’t do my usual traveling so I succumbed to rooting a fairly attractive AW. I did the typical dinner deal and once the formalities were over she asked where we were headed after leaving the restaurant. I told her that we were going to root the look on her face was priceless. As I drove around looking for a suitable fuck venue she pointed some high priced hotels on the strip. I told her that I had no intention of walking into one of those late at night without reservations and paying top dollar for a few hours. I finally found a decent looking motel and got a room. Once in the room she started flipping through the TV channels and began bitching because there were no premium movie channels. I told her that I wasn’t there for the cable, grabbed a beer and promptly went to work sucking on a nipple. She was in heaven and the drawers went flying across the room in the twinkling of an eye. Soon I had her knees trussed up next to ears as I rooted her pussy for the next half hour until I popped. Another beer break followed then I rooted her pussy for an hour in the same position then doggy until I quit without popping because I needed another cold beer. Then round three followed ending without a pop after another hour. At that point we went to sleep for three hours then the little head woke up so I attempted to initiate round four. My AW companion protested loudly that I wasn’t letting her sleep and she had to work the next day at eleven. She jumped up from the bed and headed to the other one where she spent the rest of the night.
Total cost for the night of plain sex without oral and plenty of attitude was $160.00 without accounting for time and opportunity cost. I will not repeat.
On another note, it seems that one can do quite well in America as a man providing that marriage and children are avoided. This old guy made millions on an hourly wage that never exceeded $11/hr. [url]http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_stories/20080113_Donor_built_millions_on__11_an_hour.html[/url][/QUOTE]
He is recluse if he hasn't dated EVER and had a cruch on a young girl that died 60-65 years ago!
I could do without a phone if I didn't have any family, friends, interest or hobbies and he clearly has none of these. Plays Bingo and eats with his homies at Micky D's. Girls won't date a guy with used clothes from the Salvation Army, that's why he never dated...
Yes you can do this too, but WHO WANTS TOO???
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]I can do better than that.
This is the AW thread. Or more aptly called the: “Get the fuck away from American women thread.”
This requires means and opportunity. Most dudes have neither the means nor opportunity to live in a place which will allow them to fuck hot non-american women.
I am providing advice to address this quandary.
The means to fuck lots of hot women all the world is money, charm, fame, and good looks. It’s hard to improve one’s affability overnight and most lads are not keen on going under the knife; thus, that leaves money as the only prerequisite that most of us can improve by our own gumption. I’m too much of a pussy to be a criminal so I am restricted to proffering advice on getting money quick legally.
Jobs, money, and mongering go hand-in-hand.
Opportunity
Even if you manage to make loads of money which will attract hot economically deprived women you need to be in a position to fuck them. Most rich dudes in America work like dogs. My former roommate did the whole post Ivy League thing and went to Wall Street. His bonus last year was 489K; however, he works 90+ hours each week and when his grandpa died his boss refused to let him attend the funeral as a pitch book needed to be completed.
Raj does not have the opportunity to apply deodorant let alone to fuck.
Therefore, an international fucker needs a job which will allow him to have the money to attract women while simultaneously having the opportunity to fuck them. There are very few jobs which satisfy both requirements (multinational executives/consultants, diplomats, aid workers, and pro athletes)…I guess that the trenching profession would marginally meet this criterion.
Being a contractor—which is not a mercenary-- is a comparatively easy way to have both the opportunity and the means to fuck hot women.
That’s what the ISG is all about.
I think that the correlation is blatantly apparent and not excessively off-topic.[/QUOTE]
Some people got a different definition of "rich". I think Eastern bloc women are easy as hell and are nothing like Western women, I would never want to live in the Eastern bloc though, going there once a year is good enough. Its easy for Western Europeans to go East, their money goes far in the Eastern bloc and its nearby. Australia is close to Asia, and lots of Aussie monger in South East Asia where their money goes far, I knew people who work in McDonalds down under, who go for a month in Thailand or Indonesia for cheap but good quality pussy, so even working class Aussie yobbos manage to get it. Even when you compare Aussie women to their US counterparts, they are easy to impress, also the country is a magnet for female travelers from Asia and Europe. I have seen large numbers of blonde hair blue eyed women speaking some gibberish and figured they were European backpackers. I actually got to meet a lot of women by turning my home into a guesthouse for backpackers, but this won't work in the USA, as backpackers are not common.
There is a pocket in the Americas that has a high concentration of hot women, Montreal QC, I thought a large percent of French Canadian women were hot and not incredibly difficult to click with. In fact, I saw dudes that were rather ordinary with some pretty fine women over there.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]He is recluse if he hasn't dated EVER and had a cruch on a young girl that died 60-65 years ago!
I could do without a phone if I didn't have any family, friends, interest or hobbies and he clearly has none of these. Plays Bingo and eats with his homies at Micky D's. Girls won't date a guy with used clothes from the Salvation Army, that's why he never dated...
Yes you can do this too, but WHO WANTS TOO???[/QUOTE]
I just read the article and I think the guy is actually a genuis if you ask me. He essentially shrugged off all the propaganda that we get forced-fed every day in the U.S.; that you need a top-tier education, a punishing 60-70 hour a week job, the brand new SUV, the newly-built McMansion and the AW wife and 2.3 snot-nosed kids. We're all taught, as American men, that we will not succeed in life and are nothing unless we have all of the above. This guy told society to go fuck itself, did things his own way, and in the end, ended up with more money saved up than most people obtain doing it the traditional way.
The dude never dated? Of course he didn't because he's probably GAY, that's why he never chased after pussy. He decided to give $1 million cash to his Alma Mater. But just think if some on this site followed his footsteps, they could've used that money to retire early (30's or 40's) to SEA/Latin America/EE.
Yeah, he's a little old wierdo, I agree. But I still think we can learn from what he achieved.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]I just read the article and I think the guy is actually a genuis if you ask me. He essentially shrugged off all the propaganda that we get forced-fed every day in the U.S.; that you need a top-tier education, a punishing 60-70 hour a week job, the brand new SUV, the newly-built McMansion and the AW wife and 2.3 snot-nosed kids. We're all taught, as American men, that we will not succeed in life and are nothing unless we have all of the above. This guy told society to go fuck itself, did things his own way, and in the end, ended up with more money saved up than most people obtain doing it the traditional way.
The dude never dated? Of course he didn't because he's probably GAY, that's why he never chased after pussy. He decided to give $1 million cash to his Alma Mater. But just think if some on this site followed his footsteps, they could've used that money to retire early (30's or 40's) to SEA/Latin America/EE.
Yeah, he's a little old wierdo, I agree. But I still think we can learn from what he achieved.[/QUOTE]
Oh I took lessons from it....
I refuse to play that "Where The Ballers At?" local game. I have been saving money, a few CD's and some more risker stuff down road.
Yeah I am broke otherwise, I burned up money on the ride and Europe, still have some left, saving that.
Goal is to retire by 50; 13 years away!
That's why the next career move is so important, put in 10 and get the fuck out!
I am not conditioned to have a wife and kids, I am quite selfish. I like kids and relish the chance to put some people on this earth that aren't trippin and can give back, no matter what they do, productive people.
The wife factor, I like knowing where my PUSSY is coming from. Going months and months, sometimes YEARS without it is a f'in drag. I am tired of it, to the point I consider throwing dollars at it.
Its either throw money at worthless local hoes or throw money away on "real" hoes overseas and maybe one or two locally, though overpriced.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Some people got a different definition of "rich". I think Eastern bloc women are easy as hell and are nothing like Western women, I would never want to live in the Eastern bloc though, going there once a year is good enough. Its easy for Western Europeans to go East, their money goes far in the Eastern bloc and its nearby. Australia is close to Asia, and lots of Aussie monger in South East Asia where their money goes far, I knew people who work in McDonalds down under, who go for a month in Thailand or Indonesia for cheap but good quality pussy, so even working class Aussie yobbos manage to get it. Even when you compare Aussie women to their US counterparts, they are easy to impress, also the country is a magnet for female travelers from Asia and Europe. I have seen large numbers of blonde hair blue eyed women speaking some gibberish and figured they were European backpackers. I actually got to meet a lot of women by turning my home into a guesthouse for backpackers, but this won't work in the USA, as backpackers are not common.
There is a pocket in the Americas that has a high concentration of hot women, Montreal QC, I thought a large percent of French Canadian women were hot and not incredibly difficult to click with. In fact, I saw dudes that were rather ordinary with some pretty fine women over there.[/QUOTE]
First serious internet contact was French speaking girl that was very disappointed with me after talking for months on the phone and on mIRC and I wanted to dip into something more local, caught me talking to another girl that ended up being my GF for 2.5 years. Considering what I got locally and what I could have had in Canada... I made a mistake, she was involved in the family business too...
Yeah maybe the native English speaking Canadian women are a mess and not worth f'in with???
I dunno
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]
There is a pocket in the Americas that has a high concentration of hot women, Montreal QC, I thought a large percent of French Canadian women were hot and not incredibly difficult to click with. In fact, I saw dudes that were rather ordinary with some pretty fine women over there.[/QUOTE]
I agree, those French Canadian women are HOT, HOT and pretty easy to talk to. French Canadian women are the prettiest White women in North America PERIOD.
The French-speaking part of Canada is far and away the best, both for mongering and for relationships in general. It is really like a little slice of Latin America up north in many ways.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]The French-speaking part of Canada is far and away the best, both for mongering and for relationships in general. It is really like a little slice of Latin America up north in many ways.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Is there any other country in the world where people believe in a persons ability to change more than the United States? I mean, I talk with, for instance, Indians and they seem to be slotted for one thing or another from the start. In France, where a person goes to school seems to mean everything; if you don't make the cut by the time your 18 - it's pretty much game over. Caste and class seems to be more important everywhere else I look - even Canada - no one born in Canada can grow up to be Head of State there, since that franchise is held by a bunch of royals. Just seems like in the USA a persons ability to change, to self-define and even to escape streotyping is given way more latitude than anyplace else.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Is there any other country in the world where people believe in a persons ability to change more than the United States? I mean, I talk with, for instance, Indians and they seem to be slotted for one thing or another from the start. In France, where a person goes to school seems to mean everything; if you don't make the cut by the time your 18 - it's pretty much game over. Caste and class seems to be more important everywhere else I look - even Canada - no one born in Canada can grow up to be Head of State there, since that franchise is held by a bunch of royals. Just seems like in the USA a persons ability to change, to self-define and even to escape streotyping is given way more latitude than anyplace else.[/QUOTE]
One of the great features of our country.
We have never had to be liberated from stronger power, we did it ourselves!
We have no Royalty per say, so ANYBODY can be President and in turn be the most powerful person in the world.
In lies the train wreck..
Which runs right into the desires of the typical American Woman. Many want the world, but by the time reality and age hit, the view becomes more realistic but at the same time to many men they become less desirable.
When a male hits his 30's, the ONLY way you can get women 10 years your junior is to either have power, have money, good looks or any combination of the above.
Otherwise your resigned to dating women usually unmarried for reasons unknown (usually bad!) or women with children either from a married relationship of 5-10 years or a series of "sperm donors" they dated in their 20's.
Hardly IDEAL when you add up all the other baggage.
What's nice though is being American usually gets you a pass in most social circles around the world. A dimmer view of our country with the result of the worst presidency in human history has not complete snuff out the world's love affair with the United States especially after comparing their own localized problems...
We are talking about the best opportunities for getting pussy, not for career advancement. France is head and shoulders above the USA in the pussy category, I remember running into a couple of dorky guys from the US last summer in Nice, they were both of Asian(one Indian and the other Korean) origin and hooked up with some rather fine French hotties who wanted them to teach them English, the fact that they were non-white and American intrigued them(so I guess the ability to "change" is a good thing). That being said, its getting hard to impress foreign women by saying I am simply American, you got to show more than that these days, its still a positive for at least the near term though. In a lot of foreign countries that you might think are "lower" women have no problem marrying in their own country and many times that is what they prefer. If you don't believe me, try proposing to an upper class Brazilian woman, unless you are handsome and super rich, forget it, oh you will probably have to get past her security detail as well.
Anyway, back to topic, Montreal, Quebec, is an oasis of fine pussy in North America, almost like being in the twilight zone. The city is full of women, of the young and luscious type. For someone from North America who can't afford to go to Europe or Asia or just does not have any time, there are a lot of mongering options there. You should see some of the providers there, supply outweighs demand.
Those French Canadian girls won't give a shit about your social class. Even their cousins on the other side of the Atlantic can be very approachable, if two 150lbs. geeks can do it, anyone can.
You can talk about all the "Self Improvement" and deviating from stereotypes, all you want. My idea of improvement is having a roof over my head, food on the table, and some nice piece of ass. There is definitely plenty of quality ass outside of the US, in places that could be a couple of hours away, as I mentioned in Canada. Most of the dudes in that part of CA seemed to be pretty normal everyday Joes, not rich or powerful. Same thing in much of Europe, it doesn't take much effort to find some fine ass. Anyway those countries are mostly socialist, so everyone turns out to be even, eg. doctor earns as much as a garbage man.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]We are talking about the best opportunities for getting pussy, not for career advancement. France is head and shoulders above the USA in the pussy category, I remember running into a couple of dorky guys from the US last summer in Nice, they were both of Asian(one Indian and the other Korean) origin and hooked up with some rather fine French hotties who wanted them to teach them English, the fact that they were non-white and American intrigued them(so I guess the ability to "change" is a good thing). That being said, its getting hard to impress foreign women by saying I am simply American, you got to show more than that these days, its still a positive for at least the near term though. In a lot of foreign countries that you might think are "lower" women have no problem marrying in their own country and many times that is what they prefer. If you don't believe me, try proposing to an upper class Brazilian woman, unless you are handsome and super rich, forget it, oh you will probably have to get past her security detail as well.
Anyway, back to topic, Montreal, Quebec, is an oasis of fine pussy in North America, almost like being in the twilight zone. The city is full of women, of the young and luscious type. For someone from North America who can't afford to go to Europe or Asia or just does not have any time, there are a lot of mongering options there. You should see some of the providers there, supply outweighs demand.
Those French Canadian girls won't give a shit about your social class. Even their cousins on the other side of the Atlantic can be very approachable, if two 150lbs. geeks can do it, anyone can.
You can talk about all the "Self Improvement" and deviating from stereotypes, all you want. My idea of improvement is having a roof over my head, food on the table, and some nice piece of ass. There is definitely plenty of quality ass outside of the US, in places that could be a couple of hours away, as I mentioned in Canada. Most of the dudes in that part of CA seemed to be pretty normal everyday Joes, not rich or powerful. Same thing in much of Europe, it doesn't take much effort to find some fine ass. Anyway those countries are mostly socialist, so everyone turns out to be even, eg. doctor earns as much as a garbage man.[/QUOTE]
Give the man a cigar!
Yes career advancement is not the theme of this on-going thread, its about finding pussy. This thread is mainly about the disadvantages of getting some in the United States of America.
Funny CBGB in the usual places I find women I don't find too many attractive French women for some reason.
Maybe its like Scandinavian women, they just don't use the net for dating...
But what you find online in say Germany is about accurate for what you find in real-time.
Maybe I really need to be in France in otherwords to see if its all cracked up to be. I did meet a French-African in Stockholm and I asked him straight up if French girls were pretty and he said "If that was the case would I be in Stockholm?" Not that France doesn't have pretty women, it just seems they are far more average in the looks department just like German women when you get down to the nutz and bolts.
I rarely saw a German woman above 7
But in Stockholm, Oslo and Bergen I saw stunners LEFT and RIGHT, it was truly unreal and local men only ***** about attitudes not looks... I mean the girl at the exchange boot was hot, the coat check girl at the club was hot, the blonde behind the counter at 7-11 was hot, even at Napokin Airport, the girl that exchanged my ticket, it was crazy!
And they were all brunettes save for the 7-11 girl with grey, green or ice blue eyes... If you can't tell I do need to go back, unfinished business....
My homie lives in near Toronto, maybe I need to check Canada more.... Been before just a short time though.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut] Caste and class seems to be more important everywhere else I look - even Canada - no one born in Canada can grow up to be Head of State there, since that franchise is held by a bunch of royals. Just seems like in the USA a persons ability to change, to self-define and even to escape streotyping is given way more latitude than anyplace else.[/QUOTE]
Well the monarch of England will always be the ultimate head of state of Canada, but her representative in Canada (the Governor General) can be chosen by the prime minister...who is elected by the people.
The last Governor was a female born in Hong Kong and the present one was born in Haiti. In many ways, the GG is the head of state, as she does the day to day duties of the head of state.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]Well the monarch of England will always be the ultimate head of state of Canada, but her representative in Canada (the Governor General) can be chosen by the prime minister...who is elected by the people.
The last Governor was a female born in Hong Kong and the present one was born in Haiti. In many ways, the GG is the head of state, as she does the day to day duties of the head of state.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. I did not know that. I am now going to rant a little -
Why not just throw the bums out? What point do they serve? If you get rid of the Queen that frees up space for Shannon Tweed on the 20.
At the very least get rid of the German pretenders to the throne - replace them with some true hier of William I. You can do this with DNA testing. It would be cool - I bet a lot of people would have a shot. We could run the search like "Canadian Idol" or something...
Or better yet, pick just someone from Haiti to cover the task - since the implication above is it's same thing - (it's not, now, is it?) that would show some balls.
- Okay. I think that does it for me.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]Well the monarch of England will always be the ultimate head of state of Canada, but her representative in Canada (the Governor General) can be chosen by the prime minister...who is elected by the people.
[/QUOTE]
A Point of Correction.
Canada's Prime Minister is NOT elected by the people. In the parliamentary system, the people vote for their parliamentary representative ONLY. The party with the most seats in Parliament is the party that forms the government. That winning party chooses a leader and that leader becomes the Prime Minister.
So, the Prime Minister is elected by the members of the party that wins the most seats in Parliament.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Give the man a cigar!
Yes career advancement is not the theme of this on-going thread, its about finding pussy. This thread is mainly about the disadvantages of getting some in the United States of America.
Funny CBGB in the usual places I find women I don't find too many attractive French women for some reason.
Maybe its like Scandinavian women, they just don't use the net for dating...
But what you find online in say Germany is about accurate for what you find in real-time.
Maybe I really need to be in France in otherwords to see if its all cracked up to be. I did meet a French-African in Stockholm and I asked him straight up if French girls were pretty and he said "If that was the case would I be in Stockholm?" Not that France doesn't have pretty women, it just seems they are far more average in the looks department just like German women when you get down to the nutz and bolts.
I rarely saw a German woman above 7
But in Stockholm, Oslo and Bergen I saw stunners LEFT and RIGHT, it was truly unreal and local men only ***** about attitudes not looks... I mean the girl at the exchange boot was hot, the coat check girl at the club was hot, the blonde behind the counter at 7-11 was hot, even at Napokin Airport, the girl that exchanged my ticket, it was crazy!
And they were all brunettes save for the 7-11 girl with grey, green or ice blue eyes... If you can't tell I do need to go back, unfinished business....
My homie lives in near Toronto, maybe I need to check Canada more.... Been before just a short time though.[/QUOTE]
Montreal has some of the best adult entertainment found in North America, try [url]www.merc.ca[/url], there is a lot of posts about action in Montreal. I thought French Canadian women were absolutely fine. Eastern Europe is great for finding women compared to a lot of other places, in the FKK Clubs in Germany, the best sp's are often EE.
For a real fun experience try walking around Newark or JFK Airport after a trip to South America. It's like the bar scene from Star Wars. [QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Give the man a cigar!
Yes career advancement is not the theme of this on-going thread, its about finding pussy. This thread is mainly about the disadvantages of getting some in the United States of America.
Funny CBGB in the usual places I find women I don't find too many attractive French women for some reason.
Maybe its like Scandinavian women, they just don't use the net for dating...
But what you find online in say Germany is about accurate for what you find in real-time.
Maybe I really need to be in France in otherwords to see if its all cracked up to be. I did meet a French-African in Stockholm and I asked him straight up if French girls were pretty and he said "If that was the case would I be in Stockholm?" Not that France doesn't have pretty women, it just seems they are far more average in the looks department just like German women when you get down to the nutz and bolts.
I rarely saw a German woman above 7
But in Stockholm, Oslo and Bergen I saw stunners LEFT and RIGHT, it was truly unreal and local men only ***** about attitudes not looks... I mean the girl at the exchange boot was hot, the coat check girl at the club was hot, the blonde behind the counter at 7-11 was hot, even at Napokin Airport, the girl that exchanged my ticket, it was crazy!
And they were all brunettes save for the 7-11 girl with grey, green or ice blue eyes... If you can't tell I do need to go back, unfinished business....
My homie lives in near Toronto, maybe I need to check Canada more.... Been before just a short time though.[/QUOTE]
These women got caught in their own game. Apparently, they each believed that they were landing a fat 54 yrs old sardine but found a corporate shark on the line instead.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22844772/[/url]
[QUOTE=Mike12]For a real fun experience try walking around Newark or JFK Airport after a trip to South America. It's like the bar scene from Star Wars.[/QUOTE]
Tell me about it, when I came back into LAX, its like I step into another world...
All of sudden waist lines expanded and attitudes increased...
[QUOTE=George90]A Point of Correction.
Canada's Prime Minister is NOT elected by the people. In the parliamentary system, the people vote for their parliamentary representative ONLY. The party with the most seats in Parliament is the party that forms the government. That winning party chooses a leader and that leader becomes the Prime Minister.
So, the Prime Minister is elected by the members of the party that wins the most seats in Parliament.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree to a certain extent...but in some cases, the party already has a leader before the election. I don't think any party goes into an election without a leader.
If that leader is hugely unpopular, then less people will vote for their party representative. Therefore, since the party has less seats in Parliament, thus no majority formed.
So when people vote for their representative, they are also indirectly voting for the prime minister.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]These women got caught in their own game. Apparently, they each believed that they were landing a fat 54 yrs old sardine but found a corporate shark on the line instead.
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22844772/[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't see what the guy did wrong in a corporate context.
He supposedly made a whole bunch of bogus promises. Most of the article is filled with female accusations blah-de-blah-de-blah. But in a job context, what did he really do wrong?
It's sad that just because of some random accusations (perhaps unjustified - who knows) that he lost his job. But hey, an accusation is all you need in America, especially if you're a man.
Proof, justice is optional.
for men who have to suffer BLACK American women? It is a fate worse than DEATH, and I think if Jackson were to open up such a forum that our white countrymen would find that their suffering pales in comparison to what black guys have to go through if they are trying to scrounge something out of the black pool of vagina.
[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Should there be a separate thread for men who [i]have to[/i] suffer BLACK American women? [/QUOTE]
What do you mean by [i]have to[/i] suffer Black American women?
Is someone [b]forcing[/b] you to be with them? Are Black women [b]coercing[/b] you to be with them?
There are Black women all over the rest of the world. Tons right next door in Latin America.
Learn some Spanish or Portuguese and get on a plane to Dominican Republic, Colombia, or Brazil (Later for Venezuela.) and enjoy sweet sexy Black women without the American attitude. Sitting at your computer moping and complaining is the same as jerking off.
[QUOTE=George90]What do you mean by [i]have to[/i] suffer Black American women?
Is someone [b]forcing[/b] you to be with them? Are Black women [b]coercing[/b] you to be with them?
There are Black women all over the rest of the world. Tons right next door in Latin America.
Learn some Spanish or Portuguese and get on a plane to Dominican Republic, Colombia, or Brazil (Later for Venezuela.) and enjoy sweet sexy Black women without the American attitude. Sitting at your computer moping and complaining is the same as jerking off.[/QUOTE]
It is the American Women forum and quite the appropriate place to complain about American women of all colors... :)
American women come in all types and colors, some of the most horrible examples of American women happen to come from minority backgrounds. Asian American(Indian and Chinese) can be some of the worst. Hispanic women in the US can also be nose in air, try Cuban women in Miami, absolutely snobbish. A lot of African American women are not so kind hearted either.
Jeeezzzz, I've just come across this ad on CL and I'm simply amazed at the audacity of AW. She describes herself as a classy, petite blonde BUT does not offer a GFE, and yet she want's a FOOL to plunk down $200/hr for whatever service she offers. I guarantee there will bunch of American Men (SUCKER's) who will fall for this BS and be sorely disappointed. Some American men never learn....your comments please.
From the looks of her legs in the pics, she looks like an over the hill American monster.
Her ad:
Atypical - w4m - 49
You are a selective gentleman who chooses mature company beyond all else and understand the fact I am not GFE experience. I delve to provide you with an unparalleled erotic bodyrub that is not soon forgotten. I am a classy all-natural petite blonde with semi-short wavy hair,green eyes,5'1",112 llbs.with a Type A personality;receptive in meeting you. Discrete and fully aware of the parameters to be upheld.
I ask that when you decide you are ready to contact me to leave pertinent information so as not to have continual e-mails leading nowhere.
Thanks for your time reading and as always,
200/Hour...UNRUSHED/NOT GFE/EROTIC BODYRUB
Respectfully,
Kit
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Jeeezzzz, I've just come across this ad on CL and I'm simply amazed at the audacity of AW. She describes herself as a classy, petite blonde BUT does not offer a GFE, and yet she want's a FOOL to plunk down $200/hr for whatever service she offers. I guarantee there will bunch of American Men (SUCKER's) who will fall for this BS and be sorely disappointed. Some American men never learn....your comments please.
From the looks of her legs in the pics, she looks like an over the hill American monster.
Her ad:
Atypical - w4m - 49
You are a selective gentleman who chooses mature company beyond all else and understand the fact I am not GFE experience. I delve to provide you with an unparalleled erotic bodyrub that is not soon forgotten. I am a classy all-natural petite blonde with semi-short wavy hair,green eyes,5'1",112 llbs.with a Type A personality;receptive in meeting you. Discrete and fully aware of the parameters to be upheld.
I ask that when you decide you are ready to contact me to leave pertinent information so as not to have continual e-mails leading nowhere.
Thanks for your time reading and as always,
200/Hour...UNRUSHED/NOT GFE/EROTIC BODYRUB
Respectfully,
Kit[/QUOTE]
Are you purposely running across these ads?
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]I don't see what the guy did wrong in a corporate context.
He supposedly made a whole bunch of bogus promises. Most of the article is filled with female accusations blah-de-blah-de-blah. But in a job context, what did he really do wrong?
It's sad that just because of some random accusations (perhaps unjustified - who knows) that he lost his job. But hey, an accusation is all you need in America, especially if you're a man.
Proof, justice is optional.[/QUOTE]This is just absolutely ridiculous. What does this has to do at all with his job performance?
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]American women come in all types and colors, some of the most horrible examples of American women happen to come from minority backgrounds. Asian American(Indian and Chinese) can be some of the worst. Hispanic women in the US can also be nose in air, try Cuban women in Miami, absolutely snobbish. A lot of African American women are not so kind hearted either.[/QUOTE]
I made the trade. I traded in my American Hispanic wife for an Japan raised Filipina.
The run down:
Family:
Hispanic family was well off, Cali Suburbanites so my black poor ass didn't fit the bill. Her father told her all blacks are criminals even though I was a soldier in the great American military( I said that with sarcasm) when she met me as she was also.
Filipina family in Japan. Treats me like a damn king. Even the not direct family members such as her cousins and aunts and its not about money. One of her aunt owns about 6 homes in an exclusive area of the Philippines and a $300,000 condo in a surburb of Tokyo.
Attitude:
The American seemed to take extreme pleasure in making me feel like shit. Whenever I got excited about something she would be there to knock me down about it. Complained when I was at home broke. Complained when I got a Job that allowed me to fly first class take trips to any destinations in the world I wanted and party like a rock star.
The Filipina supports my decisions and stands behind me 100.
Fights:
All couple have disagreements thats a given. But the American was all gloves off hit below the belt.
The Filipina too much of a lady for that. Even if she angry she handles herself like a Corvette on curve.
Sex:
The American whined and complained. Told me that was all I thought about then when I stopped asking for it she asked Why I didn't want her?
The Filipina, all I can say fire works still after damn near 4 years.
Conclusion
Not all American women are bad. Not all nothing is anything. But ask how many Americans you know are divorced? I had one army buddy while in Iraq taking bullets from Al Qaeda (no pun intended he got a purple heart for getting shot) his wife was back in Texas destroying his credit letting other guys drive his car around, sending guys in jail his money he was sending her to take care of the house and family. I have heard this story too many times from guys in the states. I also have heard similar stories from guys in Asia who decided to get involved with a bar girl or a women of easy pickings. In places like Thailand and PI people are poor and some will do anything for money and its kind of understandable but in a country like America...
You want to see AWs at their most extreme, meet some Cuban American women in Miami, they are some of the most ultra conservative and ultra materialistic women you will ever meet.
Women in a lot of other countries are wonderful, I have friends who have been to Cuba who have raved about Cuban women, but since I was born in the US I can never go there, but those are women in their own country. When you take a woman out of her country and place her into America, she will change, its guaranteed. I lived in a city with a lot of immigrants, and the immigrants behave so much differently than their countrymen that are in their homelands.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Women in a lot of other countries are wonderful, I have friends who have been to Cuba who have raved about Cuban women, but since I was born in the US I can never go there, but those are women in their own country. [/QUOTE]
You can visit Cuba as a US citizen, you just can't enter from a US airport. You'd have to enter from Canada, Mexico or Europe for example. Friends of mine weren't impressed with Cuba at all however, Brazil much better.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]When you take a woman out of her country and place her into America, she will change, its guaranteed. I lived in a city with a lot of immigrants, and the immigrants behave so much differently than their countrymen that are in their homelands.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with the above statement. A Chinese gal has warned me NOT to even think about marrying a U.S. naturalized immigrant. It would be the biggest mistake of my life she says.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]You can visit Cuba as a US citizen, you just can't enter from a US airport. You'd have to enter from Canada, Mexico or Europe for example. Friends of mine weren't impressed with Cuba at all however, Brazil much better.[/QUOTE]
My amateur understanding is, as an American, you can go there. You just can't spend any money. That's how they get you.
Last time I checked, there were flights out of Miami to Havana. If you could get permission from the US government, you could go. This became more difficult with the Bush Administration - it tightend visas in order to make the Cubans living in critical political Florida happy and, of course, September 11 made it all the more difficult - the "pressure" on Cuba ramped up.
One of results of 9/11 is the Canadian government started sharing airline travel information with the US government. So, if you traveled through Canada, that information would end up in the hands of officials in the Liberty Loving Land of the Free. They then tag you with travel to (and spending money in) Cuba.
If you want to go, you need to be careful about how you get there and the paper trail you generate - even then, I'm not at all sure what or how the government punishes Americans who travel there - I expect it's just a stiff fine and something undesirable on your permanant record.
Anyway - I end up at the same point with the good doctor [QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Brazil much better.[/QUOTE]
Cuba doesn't seem like much anyway, especially when you have Argentina and Brazil. But those places are a much longer plane ride.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]My amateur understanding is, as an American, you can go there. You just can't spend any money. That's how they get you.
Last time I checked, there were flights out of Miami to Havana. If you could get permission from the US government, you could go. This became more difficult with the Bush Administration - it tightend visas in order to make the Cubans living in critical political Florida happy and, of course, September 11 made it all the more difficult - the "pressure" on Cuba ramped up.
One of results of 9/11 is the Canadian government started sharing airline travel information with the US government. So, if you traveled through Canada, that information would end up in the hands of officials in the Liberty Loving Land of the Free. They then tag you with travel to (and spending money in) Cuba.
If you want to go, you need to be careful about how you get there and the paper trail you generate - even then, I'm not at all sure what or how the government punishes Americans who travel there - I expect it's just a stiff fine and something undesirable on your permanant record.
Anyway - I end up at the same point with the good doctor[/QUOTE]
I work for the government and hold a TS clearance. If I even thought about going there, well I may as well stay, because I'm sure it would be all over when I got back. I'm too old to flip burgers for money.
I've heard about some guys who have sailed there and paid their customs to not stamp the passport.
Some one please remind me again, as a young single man, why I should bother to get married?
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[QUOTE=Ezinho]Some one please remind me again, as a young single man, why I should bother to get married?[/QUOTE]
To have children of whom you have legal paternal rights.
[QUOTE=George90]To have children of whom you have legal paternal rights.[/QUOTE]
"America has the highest divorce rate, and the chance that an infant will grow up with both a mother and a father is slimmer than in any other country. But that does not seem to disturb the American woman, for out of all women of highly industrialized nations, she has the highest birth rate. No wonder; children are a guarantee of income. American fathers pay the highest alimonies, and since nonpayment can be punished by imprisonment, he pays promptly."
- Esther Vilar, Manipulated Man
Marriage doesn't guarantee legal paternal rights to children that a man sires, at least not here in the USA. Of course, the are laws on the books that should guarantee visitation rights and so on but they are rarely enforced against women. I knew a guy who went to court to contest an increase in his child support payments. One of his objections was the fact that his ex refused to comply with the court order granting him visitation rights. The judge blatantly told him that his only concern that day was money and that he would have pursue his grievance concerning visitation at another time.
All one ensures is the legal obligation to pay support for the children born into the marriage regardless of who fathered them. At least fathers of "illegitimate" are entitled to proof of paternity before being ordered to pay support for the children they supposedly fathered.
On the other hand marriage guarantees women hefty alimony payments in addition to child support for her economic hostages. Which is more traumatic to a child, being born a bastard or being held as a hostage in the aftermath of a bitter brutal divorce?
If there is ever a more opportune time to leave the USA, now is the time. Its obvious even with the coming economic crisis that is going to hit, AWs will be AWs. The one reason we Americans have been welcome in many places around the world is because we have money, this might change soon, so its time to cash the chips and leave the casino.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The one reason we Americans have been welcome in many places around the world is because we have money, this might change soon, so its time to cash the chips and leave the casino.[/QUOTE]
Or simply develop some skills beyond just having money. Take care of our bodies, learn languages, develop interpersonal skills and culture.
The pussy is everywhere and it is just waiting to get fucked.
The mirror is a good place to start your journey to pussy nirvana.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Or simply develop some skills beyond just having money. Take care of our bodies, learn languages, develop interpersonal skills and culture.[/QUOTE]
By jove...I think he's got it!
Elementary, my dear Watson.
You can develop other skills but money has always been the thing people have associated with Americans worldwide. Even when we talk about a global economy, much of that has been developed on American models of business.
In a few more years, Castro and his brother will both be gone. Then the floodgates will swing wide open as American businesses (and pleasure-seekers) go swarming into Cuba.
Sounds like the answer to your prayers right? Doubt it. Once the laws of supply and demand kick in, the price of everything will rise until it's not a good deal anymore. The women would still be better looking though.
Even with economic tough times, there's always gonna be guys with money. And there will always be places where those guys can go to have the kind of fun they like to have.
Rock
Costa Rica and DR are already wide open, I don't understand what would be special about Cuba.
For one thing, it's a lot closer to the US than anywhere else except maybe Mexico. And, for Americans, Cuba has been "the forbidden fruit" for as long as most of us can remember.
Factor out those 2 things and Cuba's not much different than any other Spanish speaking destination.
Rock
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another woman who thinks she knows what's best for men....
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kay s. hymowitz
child-man in the promised land
today’s single young men hang out in a hormonal limbo between adolescence and adulthood.
about half of american males aged 18 to 34 play video games--and do so for over two hours a day.
about half of american males aged 18 to 34 play video games—and do so for over two hours a day.
it’s 1965 and you’re a 26-year-old white guy. you have a factory job, or maybe you work for an insurance broker. either way, you’re married, probably have been for a few years now; you met your wife in high school, where she was in your sister’s class. you’ve already got one kid, with another on the way. for now, you’re renting an apartment in your parents’ two-family house, but you’re saving up for a three-bedroom ranch house in the next town. yup, you’re an adult!
now meet the twenty-first-century you, also 26. you’ve finished college and work in a cubicle in a large chicago financial-services firm. you live in an apartment with a few single guy friends. in your spare time, you play basketball with your buddies, download the latest indie songs from itunes, have some fun with the xbox 360, take a leisurely shower, massage some product into your hair and face—and then it’s off to bars and parties, where you meet, and often bed, girls of widely varied hues and sizes. they come from everywhere: california, tokyo, alaska, australia. wife? kids? house? are you kidding?
not so long ago, the average mid-twentysomething had achieved most of adulthood’s milestones—high school degree, financial independence, marriage, and children. these days, he lingers—happily—in a new hybrid state of semi-hormonal adolescence and responsible self-reliance. decades in unfolding, this limbo may not seem like news to many, but in fact it is to the early twenty-first century what adolescence was to the early twentieth: a momentous sociological development of profound economic and cultural import. some call this new period “emerging adulthood,” others “extended adolescence”; david brooks recently took a stab with the “odyssey years,” a “decade of wandering.”
but while we grapple with the name, it’s time to state what is now obvious to legions of frustrated young women: the limbo doesn’t bring out the best in young men. with women, you could argue that adulthood is in fact emergent. single women in their twenties and early thirties are joining an international new girl order, hyperachieving in both school and an increasingly female-friendly workplace, while packing leisure hours with shopping, traveling, and dining with friends [see “the new girl order,” autumn 2007]. single young males, or syms, by contrast, often seem to hang out in a playground of drinking, hooking up, playing halo 3, and, in many cases, underachieving. with them, adulthood looks as though it’s receding.
freud famously asked: “what do women want?” notice that he didn’t ask what men wanted—perhaps he thought that he’d figured that one out. but that’s a question that ad people, media execs, and cultural entrepreneurs have pondered a lot in recent years. they’re particularly interested in single young men, for two reasons: there are a lot more of them than before; and they tend to have some extra change. consider: in 1970, 69 percent of 25-year-old and 85 percent of 30-year-old white men were married; in 2000, only 33 percent and 58 percent were, respectively. and the percentage of young guys tying the knot is declining as you read this. census bureau data show that the median age of marriage among men rose from 26.8 in 2000 to 27.5 in 2006—a dramatic demographic shift for such a short time period.
that adds up to tens of millions more young men blissfully free of mortgages, wives, and child-care bills. historically, marketers have found this group an “elusive audience”—the phrase is permanently affixed to “men between 18 and 34” in adspeak—largely immune to the pleasures of magazines and television, as well as to shopping expeditions for the products advertised there. but by the mid-1990s, as sym ranks swelled, marketers began to get their number. one signal moment came in april 1997, when maxim, a popular british “lad magazine,” hit american shores. maxim strove to be the anti-playboy-and-esquire; bad-boy owner felix dennis sniffed at celebrity publishers with their tired formulas. instead, he later observed, the magazine’s creators adopted the “astonishing methodology of asking our readers what they wanted . . . and then supplying it.”
and what did those readers—male, unmarried, median age 26, median household income $60,000 or so—want? as the philosophers would say, duh. maxim plastered covers and features with pouty-lipped, tousled-haired pinups in lacy underwear and, in case that didn’t do the trick, block-lettered promises of sex! lust! naughty! and it worked. more than any men’s magazine before or since, maxim grabbed that elusive 18- to 34-year-old single-college-educated-guy market, and soon boasted about 2.5 million readers—more than gq, esquire, and men’s journal combined.
victoria’s secret cover art doesn’t fully explain the sym’s attraction to maxim. after all, plenty of down-market venues had the sort of bodacious covers bound to trigger the young male’s reptilian brain. no, what set maxim apart from other men’s mags was its voice. it was the sound of guys hanging around the animal house living room—where put-downs are high-fived; gadgets are cool; rock stars, sports heroes, and cyborg battles are awesome; jobs and joni mitchell suck; and babes are simply hot—or not. “are there any cool jobs related to beer?” a reader’s letter asks in a recent issue. answer: brand manager, beer tester, and brewmaster.
maxim asked the sym what he wanted and learned that he didn’t want to grow up. whatever else you might say about playboy or esquire, they tried to project the image of a cultured and au courant fellow; as hefner famously—and from today’s cultural vantage point, risibly—wrote in an early playboy, his ideal reader enjoyed “inviting a female acquaintance in for a quiet discussion of picasso, nietzsche, jazz, sex.” hearing this, the maxim dude would want to hurl. he’d like to forget that he ever went to school.
maxim happily obliges. the editors try to keep readers’ minds from wandering with articles like “confessions of a strip club bouncer.” but they rely heavily on picture-laden features promoting the latest skateboards, video games, camcorders, and other tech products, along with an occasional q-and-a with, say, kid rock—all with the bare minimum of print required to distinguish a magazine from a shopping catalog or pinup calendar. playboy’s philosophy may not have been aristotle, but it was an attempt, of sorts, to define the good life. the maxim reader prefers lists, which make up in brevity what they lose in thought: “ten greatest video game heroes of all time,” “the five unsexiest women alive,” “sixteen people who look like they absolutely reek,” and so on.
still, maxim is far from dumb, as its self-mockery proves. the maxim child-man prides himself on his lack of pretense, his unapologetic guyness. the magazine’s subtext seems to be: “we’re just a bunch of horny, insensitive guys—so what?” what else to make of an article entitled “how to make your girlfriend think her cat’s death was an accident”? “the only thing worse than a show about doctors is a show about sappy chick doctors we’re forced to watch or else our girlfriends won’t have sex with us,” the editors grumble about the popular (with women) grey’s anatomy.
the maxim child-man voice has gone mainstream, which may explain why the magazine’s sales were flat enough for dennis to sell it last summer. you’re that 26-year-old who wants sophomoric fun and macho action? now the culture has a groaning table of entertainment with your name on it. start with the many movies available in every guy-friendly genre: sci-fi flicks like transformers, action and crime movies like american gangster, comedies like superbad, and the seemingly endless line of films starring adam sandler, jim carrey, and the “frat pack,” as usa today dubbed the group of young male comedians that includes will ferrell, ben stiller, vince vaughn, owen and luke wilson, jack black, and steve carell.
with a talent for crude physical comedy, gleeful juvenility, and self-humiliation, the frat packers are the child-man counterparts to the more conventional leads, like george clooney and brad pitt, whom women and esquire editors love. in old school (2003), three guys in their thirties decide to start a college fraternity. frank the tank (the moniker refers to his capacity for alcohol), played by ferrell, flashes his saggy white derriere streaking through the college town; the scene is a child-man classic. in 2005’s the 40-year-old virgin, carell plays a middle-aged nerd with a large action-figure collection but no action. in one guy-favorite scene, a beautician painfully waxes carell’s hirsute chest; as carell pointed out later, this was a “guy thing, this sadistic nature that men have to see other men in non-life-threatening pain.”
even though the networks must be more restrained, television also has plenty of “stupid fun” (as maxim calls a regular feature), gross-out humor, and even low-level sadism for child-man viewers. this state of affairs is newer than you might think. apart from sports programming and the simpsons, which came along in the early 1990s, there wasn’t a lot to make young men pick up the remote. most prime-time television appealed to women and families, whose sensibilities were as alien to dudes as finger bowls.
today, the child-man can find entire networks devoted to his interests: spike tv runs wrestling matches, star trek reruns, and the high-tech detective drama csi; blackbelt tv broadcasts martial arts around the clock; sci-fi is everywhere. several years ago, the cartoon network spied the potential in the child-man market, too, and introduced adult swim, late-night programming with “adult” cartoons like family guy and futurama, a cult favorite co-created by matt groening of the simpsons fame. adult swim has cut into the male letterman and leno audience, luring gold-plated advertisers saab, apple, and taco bell; child-men, it should come as no surprise, eat lots of fast food.
one can also lay the success of cable giant comedy central at the child-man’s sneakered foot. in its early-nineties infancy, comedy central had old movie comedies, some stand-up acts, and few viewers. the next several years brought some buzz with shows like politically incorrect. but it was in 1997—the same year that maxim arrived in america—that the network struck gold with a cartoon series starring a group of foul-mouthed eight-year-old boys. with its cutting subversion of all that’s sacred and polite, south park was like a dog whistle that only syms could hear; the show became the highest-rated cable series in that age group.
in 1999, the network followed up with the man show, famous for its “juggies” (half-naked women with exceptionally large, well, juggies), interviews with porn stars, drinking songs, and a jingle that advised, “quit your job and light a fart / yank your favorite private part.” it was “like maxim for tv,” one network executive told media life. comedy central’s viewers, almost two-thirds of them male, have made both the daily show and the colbert report cultural touchstones and launched the careers of stars like bill maher, jimmy kimmel, dave chapelle, and, most notably, daily show anchor jon stewart—who has already hosted the academy awards and is set to do so again, a perfect symbol of the mainstreaming of the sym sensibility.
nothing attests more to the sym’s growing economic and cultural might than video games do. once upon a time, video games were for little boys and girls—well, mostly little boys—who loved their nintendos so much, the lament went, that they no longer played ball outside. those boys have grown up to become child-man gamers, turning a niche industry into a $12 billion powerhouse. men between the ages of 18 and 34 are now the biggest gamers; according to nielsen media, almost half—48.2 percent—of american males in that age bracket had used a console during the last quarter of 2006, and did so, on average, two hours and 43 minutes per day. (that’s 13 minutes longer than 12- to 17-year-olds, who evidently have more responsibilities than today’s twentysomethings.) gaming—online games, as well as news and information about games—often registers as the top category in monthly surveys of internet usage.
and the child-man’s home sweet media home is the internet, where no meddling censors or nervous advertisers deflect his desires. some sites, like mensnewsdaily.com, are edgy news providers. others, like askmen.com, which claims 5 million visitors a month, post articles like “how to score a green chick” in the best spirit of maxim-style self-parody. “how is an suv-driving, to-go-cup-using, walking environmental catastrophe like yourself supposed to hook up with them?” the article asks. answer: go to environmental meetings, yoga, or progressive bookstores (“but watch out for lesbians”).
other sites, like menarebetterthanwomen.com, tuckermax.com, thebestpageintheuniverse.com, and drunkasaurusrex.com, walk maxim’s goofiness and good-natured woman-teasing over the line into nastiness. the men hanging out on these sites take pride in being “badasses” and view the other half bitterly. a misogynist is a “man who hates women as much as women hate each other,” writes one poster at menarebetterthanwomen. another rails about “classic woman ‘trap’ questions— does this make me look fat? which one of my friends would you sleep with if you had to? do you really enjoy strip clubs?” the fifth amendment was created because its architects’ wives “drove them ape-shit asking questions that they’d be better off simply refusing to answer.”
that sound you hear is women not laughing. oh, some women get a kick out of child-men and their frat/fart jokes; about 20 percent of maxim readers are female, for instance, and presumably not all are doing research for the dating scene. but for many of the fairer sex, the child-man is either an irritating mystery or a source of heartbreak. in internet chat rooms, in advice columns, at female water-cooler confabs, and in the pages of chick lit, the words “immature” and “men” seem united in perpetuity. women complain about the “peter pan syndrome”—the phrase has been around since the early 1980s but it is resurgent—the “mr. not readys,” and the “mr. maybes.” sex and the city chronicled the frustrations of four thirtysomething women with immature, loutish, and uncommitted men for six popular seasons.
naturally, women wonder: how did this perverse creature come to be? the most prevalent theory comes from feminist-influenced academics and cultural critics, who view dude media as symptoms of backlash, a masculinity crisis. men feel threatened by female empowerment, these thinkers argue, and in their anxiety, they cling to outdated roles. the hyper-masculinity of maxim et al. doesn’t reflect any genuine male proclivities; rather, retrograde media “construct” it.
the fact that guys cheer on female heroines like buffy the vampire slayer as much as they do chuck norris tells against this theory somewhat. but there’s an ounce of truth to it. the men of the new media are in backlash mode, largely because they believe that feminists have stood in their way as media gatekeepers—that is, agents, editors, producers, and the like—who don’t understand or accept “men acting like men.” they gleefully stick their thumbs in the eyes of politically correct tsk-tskers. in one south park episode, the sexual harassment panda, a mascot who teaches schoolkids the evils of sexual harassment, is fired after his little talks provoke a flood of inane lawsuits. in maxim, readers can find articles like “how to cure a feminist,” one of whose recommendations is to “pretend you share her beliefs” by asking questions like, “has gloria steinem’s marriage hurt the feminist agenda?”
insofar as the new guy media reflect a backlash against feminism, they’re part of the much larger story of men’s long, uneasy relationship with bourgeois order. the sym with a taste for maxim or south park may not like gloria steinem, but neither does he care for anyone who tells him to behave—teachers, nutritionists, prohibitionists, vegetarians, librarians, church ladies, counselors, and moralists of all stripes. in fact, men have always sought out an ant****ial, even anarchic, edge in their popular culture. in a renowned essay, the critic barbara ehrenreich argued that the arrival of playboy in 1953 represented the beginning of a male rebellion against the conformity of mid-century family life and of middle-class virtues like duty and self-discipline. “all woman wants is security,” she quotes an early playboy article complaining. “and she is perfectly willing to crush man’s adventurous freedom-loving spirit to get it.” even the name of the magazine, ehrenreich observed, “defied the convention of hard-won maturity.”
ehrenreich was right about the seditious impulse behind playboy, but wrong about its novelty. male resistance to bourgeois domesticity had been going on since the bourgeoisie went domestic. in a man’s place, historian john tosh locates the rebellion’s roots in the early nineteenth century, when middle-class expectations for men began to shift away from the patriarchal aloofness of the bad old days. under the newer bourgeois regime, the home was to be a haven in a heartless world, in which affection and intimacy were guiding virtues. but in tosh’s telling, it didn’t take long before men vented frustrations with bourgeois domestication: they went looking for excitement and male camaraderie in empire building, in adventure novels by authors like robert louis stevenson, and in going to “the club.”
by the early twentieth century, the emerging mass market in the u.s. offered new outlets for the virile urges that sat awkwardly in the bourgeois parlor; hence titles like field and stream and man’s adventure, as well as steamier fare like escapade and caper. when television sets came on the market in the late 1940s, it was the airing of heavyweight fights and football games that led dad to make the big purchase; to this day, sports events—the battlefield made civilized—glue him to the barcalounger when he should be folding the laundry.
but this history suggests an uncomfortable fact about the new sym: he’s immature because he can be. we can argue endlessly about whether “masculinity” is natural or constructed—whether men are innately promiscuous, restless, and slobby, or socialized to be that way—but there’s no denying the lesson of today’s media marketplace: give young men a choice between serious drama on the one hand, and victoria’s secret models, battling cyborgs, exploding toilets, and the nfl on the other, and it’s the models, cyborgs, toilets, and football by a mile. for whatever reason, adolescence appears to be the young man’s default state, proving what anthropologists have discovered in cultures everywhere: it is marriage and children that turn boys into men. now that the sym can put off family into the hazily distant future, he can—and will—try to stay a child-man. yesterday’s paterfamilias or levittown dad may have sought to escape the duties of manhood through fantasies of adventures at sea, pinups, or sublimated war on the football field, but there was considerable social pressure for him to be a mensch. not only is no one asking that today’s twenty- or thirtysomething become a responsible husband and father—that is, grow up—but a freewheeling marketplace gives him everything that he needs to settle down in pig’s heaven indefinitely.
and that heaven can get pretty piggish. take tucker max, whose eponymous website is a great favorite among his peers. in a previous age, max would have been what was known as a “catch.” good-looking, ambitious, he graduated from the university of chicago and duke law. but in a universe where child-men can thrive, he has found it more to his liking—and remarkably easy—to pursue a different career path: professional “asshole.” max writes what he claims are “true stories about my nights out acting like an average twentysomething”—binge drinking (urbandictionary.com lists tucker max drunk, or tmd, as a synonym for “falling down drunk”), fighting, leaving vomit and fecal detritus for others to clean up, and, above all, hooking up with “random” girls galore—sorority sisters, vegas waitresses, dallas lap dancers, and junior leaguers who’re into erotic asphyxiation.
throughout his adventures, max—like a toddler stuck somewhere around the oedipal stage—remains fixated on his penis and his “dumps.” he is utterly without conscience—“female insecurity: it’s the gift that keeps on giving,” he writes about his efforts to undermine his prey’s self-esteem in order to seduce them more easily. think of max as the final spawn of an aging and chromosomally challenged hugh hefner, and his website and best-selling book, i hope they serve beer in hell, as evidence of a male culture in profound decline. playboy’s aspirations toward refinement still hinted at the call of the ego and a culture with limits on male restiveness; max, the child-man who answers to no one except his fellow “assholes,” is all id—and proud of it.
now, you could argue that the motley crew of maxim, comedy central, halo 3, and even the noxious tucker max aren’t much to worry about, and that extended adolescence is what the word implies: a temporary stage. most guys have lots of other things going on, and even those who spend too much time on tuckermax.com will eventually settle down. men know the difference between entertainment and real life. at any rate, like gravity, growing up happens; nature has rules.
that’s certainly a hope driving the sharpest of recent child-man entertainments, judd apatow’s hit movie knocked up. what sets knocked up apart from, say, old school, is that it invites the audience to enjoy the sym’s immaturity—his t-and-a obsessions, his slobby indolence—even while insisting on its feebleness. the potheaded 23-year-old ben stone accidentally impregnates alison, a gorgeous stranger he was lucky enough to score at a bar. he is clueless about what to do when she decides to have the baby, not because he’s a “badass”—actually, he has a big heart—but because he dwells among social retards. his roommates spend their time squabbling about who farted on whose pillow and when to launch their porn website. his father is useless, too: “i’ve been divorced three times,” he tells ben when his son asks for advice about his predicament. “why are you asking me?” in the end, though, ben understands that he needs to grow up. he gets a job and an apartment, and learns to love alison and the baby. this is a comedy, after all.
it is also a fairy tale for guys. you wouldn’t know how to become an adult even if you wanted to? maybe a beautiful princess will come along and show you. but the important question that apatow’s comedy deals with only obliquely is what extended living as a child-man does to a guy—and to the women he collides with along the way.
for the problem with child-men is that they’re not very promising husbands and fathers. they suffer from a proverbial “fear of commitment,” another way of saying that they can’t stand to think of themselves as permanently attached to one woman. sure, they have girlfriends; many are even willing to move in with them. but cohabiting can be just another peter pan delaying tactic. women tend to see cohabiting as a potential path to marriage; men view it as another place to hang out or, as barbara dafoe whitehead observes in why there are no good men left, a way to “get the benefits of a wife without shouldering the reciprocal obligations of a husband.”
even men who do marry don’t easily overcome child-manhood. neal pollack speaks for some of them in his 2007 memoir alternadad. pollack struggles with how to stay “hip”—smoking pot and going to rock concerts—once he becomes a father to elijah, “the new roommate,” as he calls him. pollack makes peace with fatherhood because he finds that he can introduce his toddler to the best alternative bands, and also because he has so many opportunities to exercise the child-man’s fascination with “[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url].” he is affectingly mad for his little boy. yet his efforts to turn his son into a hip little neal pollack—“my son and i were moshing! awesome!”—reflect the self-involvement of the child-man who resists others’ claims on him.
knocked up evokes a more destructive self-involvement in a subplot involving alison’s miserably married sister debbie and her husband, pete, the father of her two little girls. pete, who frequently disappears to play fantasy baseball, get high in las vegas, or just go to the movies on his own, chronically wields irony to distance himself from his family. “care more!” his wife yells at him. “you’re cool because you don’t give a shit.”
and that “coolness” points to what may be the deepest existential problem with the child-man—a tendency to avoid not just marriage but any deep attachments. this is british writer nick hornby’s central insight in his novel about a boy. the book’s antihero, will, is an sym whose life is as empty of passion as of responsibility. he has no self apart from pop-culture effluvia, a fact that the author symbolizes by having the jobless 36-year-old live off the residuals of a popular christmas song written by his late father. hornby shows how the media-saturated limbo of contemporary guyhood makes it easy to fill your days without actually doing anything. “sixty years ago, all the things will relied on to get him through the day simply didn’t exist,” hornby writes. “there was no daytime tv, there were no videos, there were no glossy magazines. . . . now, though, it was easy [to do nothing]. there was almost too much to do.”
will’s unemployment is part of a more general passionlessness. to pick up women, for instance, he pretends to have a son and joins a single-parent organization; the plight of the single mothers means nothing to him. for will, women are simply fleshy devices that dispense sex, and sex is just another form of entertainment, a “fantastic carnal alternative to drink, drugs, and a great night out, but nothing much more than that.”
as the title of his 2005 novel indecision suggests, benjamin kunkel also shows how apathy infects the new sym world. his hero, 28-year-old dwight wilmerding, suffers from “abulia”—chronic indecisiveness—so severe that he finds himself paralyzed by the thanksgiving choices of turkey, cranberry sauce, and dressing. his parents are divorced, his most recent girlfriend has faded away, and he has lost his job. like will, dwight is a quintessential slacker, unable to commit and unwilling to feel. the only woman he has loved is his sister, who explains the attraction: “i’m the one girl you actually got to know in the right way. it was gradual, it was inevitable.” like hornby, kunkel sees the easy availability of sex as a source of slacker apathy. in a world of serial relationships, syms “fail to sublimate their libidinal energies in the way that actually makes men attractive,” kunkel told a dismayed female interviewer in salon. with no one to challenge them to deeper connections, they swim across life’s surfaces.
the superficiality, indolence, and passionlessness evoked in hornby’s and kunkel’s novels haven’t triggered any kind of cultural transformation. kunkel’s book briefly made a few regional bestseller lists, and hornby sells well enough. but sales of “lad lit,” as some call books with sym heroes, can’t hold a candle to those of its chick-lit counterpart. the sym doesn’t read much, remember, and he certainly doesn’t read anything prescribing personal transformation. the child-man may be into self-mockery; self-reflection is something else entirely.
that’s too bad. men are “more unfinished as people,” kunkel has neatly observed. young men especially need a culture that can help them define worthy aspirations. adults don’t emerge. they’re made.
I like this response written by Victor..
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I am a 37-year-old man. Ms. Hymowitz is right. Young men being happy and doing what they want (as the article admits)? Outrageous! Awful! Terrible! Immature! Intolerable!
Everybody knows that young men have to stop doing what they want and/or makes them happy and marry some woman. This way, even if they are not happy, a woman would be able to do what she wants and to be happy. And, as everybody knows, the happiness of a woman is far more important than that of a man. As everybody knows, men are the beasts of burden of this society. They are only mature when they give up their dreams to fulfill the dreams of a woman.
So maybe he doesn't want to marry and have kids (like the boys in this article) and he wants to live without stress. This is so awfully immature. To be a fully grown-up man, he must do the following:
1. He must slave himself working 10 hours a day, to support a wife and kids he didn't really want, to buy a house in the suburbs he doesn't really need, and a SUV his wife nags him to buy. He must have a huge debt to buy everything his wife wants.
2. He must bear with an ever-nagging, ever-whining woman who is always dissatisfied if she doesn't get everything her way.
3. He must resign himself when sex dries up after some years of marriage and affection and kindness are a distant memory.
4. He must not complain when his wife decides that she is bored and divorces him, and he is stripped of all their assets and loses their children (the children he didn't want before they were born, but now wants most in the world).
5. He must pay for years child support for children whom he barely sees. In certain states, he must pay alimony for a woman who does not perform anything in return.
Only if he does all of this is he A GROWN UP. Not collaborating in his own destruction makes a man very immature.
Another good response...
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Sent by Charles Weigle on 01-28-2008:
I'm frustrated by Hymowitz's article. What she observes about modern men is mostly consistent with what I have observed, but she fails to offer any reasonable explanation for why it is happening, or any potential means to address it. Instead, the article degenerates into a shrill attack on the men themselves, as if somehow between 1970 and 2000 a new genetic breed of man appeared in America, one that is somehow incapable of growing up and is unworthy of American womanhood. Hymowitz attaches the epithet "child-man" to this new, inferior breed of man.
More thought needs to be given to the question of what happened in the last 40 years to bring about this situation. It might be useful to think about the things that have not changed. For one, marriage in this country has always been voluntary and based on mutual affection rather than parental pressure. People in the past did not get married because they were forced to, but because they wanted to, just as they do (or don't do) now. For another, men are still men, made of the same genetic material that their fathers and grandfathers were made of. As Hymowitz observes, boys generally become men as a result of getting married and having children, not the other way around. Even before the days of the "child-man," unmarried men were immature, restless, irresponsible. Why did they choose to become married men in the past? Why don't they choose to do so now?
It would seem that something has changed in the nature of marriage itself, and in the economic and social circumstances that surround the decision to get married. One problem is that risks of marriage for men have greatly increased, while the rewards have decreased. Two historical factors seem to underly this change: feminism and no-fault divorce.
Feminism has changed things not because "men are intimidated by strong women" (men always have been intimidated by women, strong and otherwise), but because it has changed the inherent trade-offs of marriage to put the husband at a disadvantage. Feminist doctrine requires wives to deny or devalue the husband's role as provider and protector of the household. This is a role that men are well-suited for and find satisfaction in. Instead, wives are told to look to their husband primarily for companionship and emotional support. This is something that men are less suited for and find less satisfying. Their failure to meet the standards of emotional availability required by their wives often leads to resentment on the part of the wives and frustration for the husband, who senses that his wife wants him to be a grown-up without being a man.
In addition, because it is no longer acceptable to talk about "women's work" or "men's work," the division of labor becomes a source of strife rather than an efficient use of resources. Every household chore must be the subject of litigation.
The ultimate risk for the husband is that his wife's resentment might lead to a divorce. In a situation where courts still favor wives in child custody situations, divorce for the husband can mean financial ruin and the loss of his children.
The question might better be asked, why would a young man want to get married now? Sex, apparently, is generally available. Companionship is also available, and buddies make far less emotional demands than wives do. Wives can no longer be expected to provide domestic comforts (e.g., good cooking) that men value but are generally not very good at providing for themselves. (Although I would suggest that most wives still do provide these comforts, but that feminism has taught them to do so with a sense of resentment).
The question might also be asked, why would a woman want to get married? She can make her own living. The police can protect her from the bad people. Life doesn't require that much heavy lifting anymore.
It seems that the only reason left to get married is to have children. This is not to be underestimated, since children give purpose in life, introduce new levels of love and affection, and still provide a degree of security in old age that cannot be provided by government programs or careful retirement savings. For men, though, there is the greater risk of losing those children through divorce.
The frustrating thing about Hymowitz's article is that she places all the blame for this situation on the "child-men." Women surely can't be completely innocent in this breakdown. After all, the feminist movement in the 60s and 70s was a change in the expectations of women. They demanded that men change to meet those new expectations, but it appears that the men did not change that much. They are still the same "pigs" that they were back then. Only now they don't have any reason to "grow up" by getting married, maybe not so much to gain from it and a lot to lose. Maybe, as it turns out, a man needs a wife like a fish needs a bicycle.
As Hymowitz points out in her book, marriage is fundamentally important to the health of our civilization. And a healthy marriage is fundamentally useful for the people who choose to enter into it. Still, many no longer choose to enter into it. Understanding why that happens will require something better than a sneering new epithet for unmarried young men.
More videogames??!! Good.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]Another woman who thinks she knows what's best for men....
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Kay S. Hymowitz
Child-Man in the Promised Land
That’s too bad. Men are “more unfinished as people,” Kunkel has neatly observed. Young men especially need a culture that can help them define worthy aspirations. Adults don’t emerge. They’re made.[/QUOTE]
This is one of those situations where you might actually be willing to listen to the girl, if you thought you had a chance to bang her.
All Western culture calls on men, first and foresaking all other things, to be true to themselves. I think that's distilled Shakespeare. The more you read in Western culture, the more you realize how unimportant women are considered in a man's progression through life.
That took awhile to read through the whole thing! But, I think I've got the essence of what this particular woman is saying.
Basically it's your standard female whining. Blah blah blah, I'm so unhappy, blah blah blah, it's all the guys' fault and the ONLY solution to the problem is for the guy to change his behavior TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE WOMAN.
I see this crap all the time. It's never the woman's fault (they're perfect... dontcha know?) It's always the guys fault and therefore, always up to the guy to somehow make things right.
I'm not at all surprised that a lot of men are choosing to remain in an extended adolescent state. After all, we live in a culture that glorifies youth and being young. We admire those who can maintain a youthful vibe even as they get older. Where's the motivation to grow up and "be responsible" when there are so many drawbacks in doing so.
To Kay Hymnowitz...... You hate "the man-child" ? Well you better get used to hating them, they're gonna be around for a loooong time.
Rock Dog
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]If there is ever a more opportune time to leave the USA, now is the time. Its obvious even with the coming economic crisis that is going to hit, AWs will be AWs. The one reason we Americans have been welcome in many places around the world is because we have money, this might change soon, so its time to cash the chips and leave the casino.[/QUOTE]I made the move and packed up and moved to Peru. Life here is much better than in the USA. People here are not obsessed with money here as in the USA. Yes there are problems here but here you can find your paradise. The economy in Peru is growing by 7% per year. The food is great and the women are fantastic. What more do you need?
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Cuba doesn't seem like much anyway, especially when you have Argentina and Brazil. But those places are a much longer plane ride.[/QUOTE]From what I understand is that Cuba has the most beautiful beaches and hotels in the caribbean and is a short plane ride from Miami.
Speaking of Ms. Hymen in the time period she mentions most men getting married by 26, feminism as we know it did not exist, it began during those time periods, but much of the Western world at that time was a man's world. Today, it makes no sense to get married, women do not do a lot of the things they did in the times when most men got married in their 20s, like cook, clean, take care of kids, etc. Divorce laws in almost all Western countries screw over the husband applying automatic guilt for the breakup of the marriage to him, and award the woman with everything.
To some people video games are one of the greatest inventions ever, rather than making people more violent, it has probably saved many lives. Unlike TV and movies a lot of video games are very unpc like GTA and DOA games. A lot of these games are made in Japan and often feature Japanese stereotypes of white western women, overtly slutty and will sleep with anyone.
Other rants by the same woman:
[url]http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/hymowitz. Htm[/url]
Hymowitz is typical of this feminist, a hypocritical and self-contradictory pseudo-intellectual. Daddy bought her some degrees, she learned how to string some psychobabble together to make herself sound knowledgeable, inserted the obligatory "man bad/woman victim" into the undertones of her articles, along with the unquestioned, sanctimonious assumption women are suddenly qualified by gender alone to rule the world.
Look at other articles by her, compare her view on Single Young Women with her rant on SYM's that was posted below by other contributor.
Its the same old story. Men are getting it now. THAT's what I see about younger generations of men. Good for them!
Look through the above link to Hymowitz's other articles, especially this one:
[url]http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=9F44A175-10AD-4B9B-9714-BA12E023218A[/url]
Good for the goose, not the gander. Same schizophrenic argument--as women, they should be naturally empowered under their new self-proclaimed order. If things don't go as planned under their guidance and direction, they didn't fail on their own terms--it was the patriarchy that repressed them, or they were the victim of some vast male conspiracy.
Somehow, women traveling the world, buying what they want, hanging out with girlfriends and enjoying their lives, that's empowering. But finding out their male counterparts are finding the pleasures of hanging out with the boys and banging horny chicks on booty calls, that's despicable. Don't these young guys know they're supposed to pander and cater to these young women, so these young women can one day despise them and fuck up their lives and access to their children in divorce court? Obviously, these young men are far too immature to understand the role that has been assigned to them!
I'm surprised she stuck with videogames in her SYM rant. If she picked up on the upward trend in pooning overseas, she would have given herself a spontaneous hysterectomy.
I love this shit. What I get, is we're going to go head to toe with feminism and have this shit out in the next several years. And they're going down this time. Not because I hate women, not because I want to subjugate, use, and abuse women. But because feminism was and is one of the most absurd social reform platforms ever thrust upon Western society.
Watched Power of 10 last night and here are a few statistics of American preferences (don't know how scientific these stats are - but....) for you guys to chew on:
- Percentage fo American women who prefers chocolate to sex - 41%
- Percentage of Americans who weighs themselves every day - 14%
- Percentage of American who thinks the USA is the greatest country in the world - 82%
Hmmmmmm.....
SE Asia Joe
No survey on the percent of American men who prefer playing video games to spending time with American women??
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Watched Power of 10 last night and here are a few statistics of American preferences (don't know how scientific these stats are - but....) for you guys to chew on:
- Percentage fo American women who prefers chocolate to sex - 41%
- Percentage of Americans who weighs themselves every day - 14%
- Percentage of American who thinks the USA is the greatest country in the world - 82%
Hmmmmmm.....
SE Asia Joe[/QUOTE]
My guess is the 82 percent is actually pretty low compared to countries that are basically tribal like, say, just about every other country in the world.
The more interesting number would be the percentage of people in other countries who think the United States is the greatest country in the world.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]I like this response written by Victor..
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I am a 37-year-old man. Ms. Hymowitz is right. Young men being happy and doing what they want (as the article admits)? Outrageous! Awful! Terrible! Immature! Intolerable!
Everybody knows that young men have to stop doing what they want and/or makes them happy and marry some woman. This way, even if they are not happy, a woman would be able to do what she wants and to be happy. And, as everybody knows, the happiness of a woman is far more important than that of a man. As everybody knows, men are the beasts of burden of this society. They are only mature when they give up their dreams to fulfill the dreams of a woman.
So maybe he doesn't want to marry and have kids (like the boys in this article) and he wants to live without stress. This is so awfully immature. To be a fully grown-up man, he must do the following:
1. He must slave himself working 10 hours a day, to support a wife and kids he didn't really want, to buy a house in the suburbs he doesn't really need, and a SUV his wife nags him to buy. He must have a huge debt to buy everything his wife wants.
2. He must bear with an ever-nagging, ever-whining woman who is always dissatisfied if she doesn't get everything her way.
3. He must resign himself when sex dries up after some years of marriage and affection and kindness are a distant memory.
4. He must not complain when his wife decides that she is bored and divorces him, and he is stripped of all their assets and loses their children (the children he didn't want before they were born, but now wants most in the world).
5. He must pay for years child support for children whom he barely sees. In certain states, he must pay alimony for a woman who does not perform anything in return.
Only if he does all of this is he A GROWN UP. Not collaborating in his own destruction makes a man very immature.[/QUOTE]
Your post just gave me a epiphany....
Why do we even NEED the institution of marriage anymore anyways? What purpose does it REALLY serve? And couldn't we find a way to bring up children that doesnt ruin our OWN lives?
I'm all for tearing the whole fucking mess down and starting over with some better ideas. And I think it's insane that all these "feminist" authors are defending marriage, which is the one institution that has kept them down for so long! If you really want to look at it statistically marriage has caused WAY WAY more harm to women than prostitution EVER could!
I think the ancient Celts had it right. Marriage should be a 5 year contract that automatically EXPIRES if not renewed.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito] And I think it's insane that all these "feminist" authors are defending marriage, which is the one institution that has kept them down for so long! [/QUOTE]
BC has a great point here. I remember in the 70's that feminist authors were [i]disparaging[/i] marriage as being a male tool of oppression against women. The feminist movement felt so strongly that they forced the passage of laws that gave women more rights in marriage. That is how our draconian divorce laws developed.
Men's reaction has been to not get married as much as before. NOW, women are complaining about marriage again! This time that men are immature for waiting so long to get married, if at all.
I think the flip-flop discredits feminists quite a bit.
george90,
also, don't forget friedan's original posture on alimony--that it was condescending to women, and that if women wanted to be equal, they had to do so on their own terms and their own ability.
well, then the 70's saw the advent of a large spike in divorces, and it didn't turn out to be so easy for women post-divorce. then the feminist movement silently changed its posture to being pro-alimony. nowadays, we've seen the growth of the victimization industry, as evidenced by vawa legislation, which is preposterously unconstitutional, yet has been tolerated through two rounds of legislation. this last round, they added imbra, which puts blocks in place for men in the u. s. interacting with women overseas with intent to marry, of all things! and the feminists harp on and on about how marriage to foreign-born women is dangerous for these women (because all american men are one small step away from wife-beating psychopaths) and subservience for these poor women, yet the numbers indicate that these marriages have much higher success than the rate of the us population at large, and much less rates of domestic violence. in fact, lesbian couples, of all the progressive alternatives the real hardcore feminists offer up as alternatives to hetero couples, have much higher rates of domestic violence complaints, and break-ups.
deconstruct feminism, its a terribly discriminatory movement. its very thinly veiled premise is that women are, by gender, morally and intellectually superior to men, but their ability to guide society to a new utopian state has been repressed by the onerous obligations to motherhood and a vast conspiracy of men to subjugate them. i don't know how a self-respecting woman can buy into the whole platform of filth this movement endorses. i'm not sure when this utopia is going to arrive, but something's dreadfully amiss--"every pregnancy a planned pregnancy? " well, why is it that 40% of american women abort a pregnancy at some point in their reproductive lifetime (hint, most are not due to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or coercion, as the propaganda implies, but rather, 90%+ are due to females not understanding the nature of sexual intercourse and fertility from a female perspective, as in, you fuck, you and your partner are fertile, there is always a chance you will conceive. the numbers indicate they are conceiving in numbers far higher than responsible use of birth control would indicate were possible).
and healthier relationships? well, the legal institution of marriage is in the shits for sure. the only real people who seem to be fighting for it are the gays and lesbians, and someone should really take of the silk gloves and give them a 'smakin'--there's more to heterosexual marriage than just socially recognizing your "love"--hetero couples can biologically create new human life.
freedom doesn't cut both ways with hardcore feminists. witness earlier post about the same author's hypocrisy when insulting and lambasting single young men's behavior, compared to her support for single young women acting in a similar, individualistic frame.
but the ones that disparage women the most? the feminists. the whole movement is nothing but reactive against the unique sexual realties of being female. being female, in my book, is a much more complicated sexual state than being born male. the feminist movement does women a unique disservice by lambasting the "feminine mystique" while not realizes there really is something uniquely different about the feminine state when compared to the male state, which is really the de facto standard for our western psychology and free will bias.
personally, if our sons "get it"--they work hard, move up quickly, save and invest their money wisely and aggressively when young instead of taking on onerous family obligations in their 20's that society doesn't reward and these fringe groups keep sniping away at, they hang out with long-term male friends, play videogames, work out, bang some beaver on "booty calls" at the local bars, and save up and take a couple overseas trips and find out what sensual and sexual women often await them overseas, they're going to bring about the death of feminism. and its about damn time. because feminism surprisingly loses its power when its not controlling and manipulating relationships of trust.
From "The Engagement"
Seinfeld
"I had a very interesting lunch with George Costanza today."
Kramer
"Really?"
Seinfeld
"We were talking about our lives, and we both kind of realized we're kids. We're not men."
Kramer
"So then you asked yourselves, 'Isn't there something more to life?'"
Seinfeld
"Yes, we did."
Kramer
"Yeah, well let me clue you in on something... There isn't."
Seinfeld
"There isn't?"
Kramer
"Absolutely not. I mean, what are you thinking about, Jerry, marriage? Family? They're prisons! Man-made prisons. You're doing time. You get up in the morning, she's there. You go to sleep at night, she's there. It's like you gotta ask permission to use the bathroom. 'Is it alright if I use the bathroom now?!' And you can forget about watching TV while you're eating."
Seinfeld
"I can?"
Kramer
"Oh yeah. You know why? Because it's dinnertime, and you know what you do at dinner?"
Seinfeld
"What?"
Kramer
"You talk about your day. 'How was your day today? Did you have a good day today or a bad day today? Well, what kind of day was it? Well, I don't know, how about you, how was your day?'"
Seinfeld
"Boy."
Kramer
"It's sad, Jerry. It's a sad state of affairs."
Seinfeld
"I'm glad we had this talk."
Kramer
"Oh, you have no idea."
Cost of raising kids - before college....
[url]http://moneycentral.msn.com/articles/family/kids/tlkidscost.asp[/url]
Marriage is pretty much an archaic institution in the USA as well as a number of other countries.
The other hidden part of young men not wanting to settle down is that financially they CANT. For more and more people in this country the idea of actually owning real estate is becoming more and more far-fetched. And kids, friggin FORGET IT!
Hell these days, if you have kids you could be making $50k a year and STILL have to hit the food bank every so often here in NYC.
The US Dollar is turning into a joke, that's why people might make more money but actually be living worse. New York is one of the most overpriced hellpits on the planet. Sydney where I now live is also fairly pricey but nothing like New York or London which are worse.
Young guys need to have a cowboy attitude to succeed.
If they're going to NY, LA, SF, Chicago, or similar high-cost area, the reason to do so should be to fast-track their careers.
If you're willing to bust tail, you can get the job title and skills to make $50-$60k in a couple years.
Then, my advice? Either decide how far out you are from 6-figure potential, or go out and recreate your income in a middle-sized American city unless you have a clear, measurable path to making the kind of cheddar you need to stay and thrive in those areas.
You'll go nowhere making that kind of money in a major American city. A LOT of guys were playing all this b. S. Real estate stuff. But now that's a game of musical chairs, where there just aren't enough chairs left. That road to quick appreciation wealth gone, I think the major metros will start feeling another round of decline the next 5 years. Its cyclical.
But, take your skills and title, search out a position in a mid-sized city, you'll make enough money to start buying real estate. And if you source your new city right, you should be able to buy cash-flowing residential property, which is relatively easy and stable to hold long-term, and is something you won't really find in the major metro's.
Besides, a young guy has stiff competition in a dating market like LA. That's a hardcore game being run there. The same kind of guy could actually meet some sweet and nice gals in some Southern cities I'm thinking about, and have himself a good time, all the while budgeting to go overseas.
I don't know what to do about American citizens having enough kids for replacement population. Our loose borders are a big concern. Its one thing if we are welcoming people from other countries who have skills necessary to contribute to a complex society such as ours, but our biggest immigration growth is in relatively unskilled people who, if you do an economic analysis, cost much more than they add to the economy, at the chagrin of the liberal intelligentsia, who wants them a voting block. In addition, the whole issue of illegal immigration galls most middle Americans, and rightfully so. If people enter the country flaunting the laws of the land, and they are tolerated, what message does that send about the value and integrity of our society? We're just a cheap and easy ****, and that's a slap in the face to established American citizens.
NY is definitely a special case because of the sky-high rents here, but I don't think ANYWHERE in the country is what it used to be economically, OR socially.
NY and California are special cases because both areas are highly involved in international trade, they also have significant numbers of skilled immigrants compared to other parts of the country. The reality is that the US today is nothing like in years past, on the economic front you can thrive in a lot of other places, pluck and prosperity today are not exclusive to Americans anymore.
Johnny,
Immigration has being going on for centuries, there is a natural flow of people moving from one parts to the another.
America would not have being America..if europeans have not moved from europe due to issues back there.
India have being accepting immigrants from 1000's of years, parsis, Jews, whom even europe discarded were accpeted in India and more recently, tibetens are being accepted, dalai lama and all tibetens monks headquerters are in India.
Now, all monks, persians and jews came emty handed, but still they were accepted, and even today, they follow there own customs and culture and the people & indian government does not interfere and slowly they have gelled into indian society.
It is totally heartless to say, if you do not posses any skills we don't want you..its America's time to face immigrants, cos its prosperous now..people with issues become immigrants most of the time....if they possess skils and can live in their homeland why would they come to America at first place.
The majority of first generation immigrants will not have skills, but In America as we have seen, surely the second, third generation Americans will be more skilled and contribute to the society like bill gates, obama, sergie brin and million others
I think it's the opposite actually. Immigrants usually come with valuable skills and contribute to the greater society peacefully, although they are generally way underpaid for what they do. Their children on the other hand wind up exposed to American public schools among other things and not only wind up less skilled, they have a very high rate of criminality.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Johnny,
Immigration has being going on for centuries, there is a natural flow of people moving from one parts to the another.
[/QUOTE]
All true and well and nice, but the United States is an almost singular case in that the rule of law is at the core of being an American. Without the Constitution, without law, an "American" is a hard thing to define. In contrast, a person from China or France or Russia does not need to reach very far to know who they are if the government falls apart and the law breaks down. When people arrive in the US skipping ahead of the law, it's fundamentally at odds with the principles that hold the country together.
As for being heartless, it's a shame there's a lack of resources in the world; in a sense it's heartless that the time and money spent in a mildly pointless discussion in cyberspace can not be effectively used to help people in Darfur. But that's the way it is. We apparently would rather use these resources to employ a bunch of network engineers and programmers and designers and other highly skilled professionals to sustain the information infrastructure than just send that money to some worthy and unfortunate person in Africa.
It's not clear to me that it's "heartless" for an American parent to want to see their tax dollars go to funding a quality education for thier own kids. The American parent has enough problems and is under enough pressures, moving a bunch of people into a school district who are not paying much in the way of taxes and have plenty of kids - that's got it's own heartless edge to it.
Certainly, you must have dealt with these kinds of issues in your own life? You've had to deal with wanting to do something desirable and good and not had the time and money to make it happen, right? It works the same way in national life.
Bl,
I actually realize immigration is a necessary route to obtaining enough people on a replacement basis to have our country function properly.
I don't believe we should tolerate illegal immigration. As JellyD points out, we have very little in the US besides a belief in core constitutional principles and Rule of Law, both of which are under surprising attack nowadays.
Immigration into the US is difficult is you take legal channels. Its arduous and long, and often separates families for years.
Then you have classes of people that flaunt immigration laws entirely, and come as they please from a perspective of the law.
That I can not support. It galls me and many like me that both parties cater to this faction, because they both realize politically the need to swing those votes in this and future generations.
In a complex, vertically scaled society such as ours, we should welcome immigration. We have to, because in the wake of feminist reform, domestic families are not replacing themselves, or creating enough young people to fill future generations.
But don't we have a responsibility, if this is the land of opportunity, to keep it that way?
We should be welcoming people who have skills that are needed by our country, not tolerating people who are coming her for their own selfish reasons and flaunting the laws and working for individuals within our country that are flaunting the laws to employ them.
Unskilled labor is critical to agriculture, esp. In the SW. Fine, institute and enforce a guest labor policy.
The problem in the U. S. Is that rule of law must start at the bottom and flow all the way down, covering all.
Immigration is a necessary component of the future of this country. I accept that from a pragmatic point of view. BUT, unmanaged immigration has disastrous consequences.
I've seen the liberal left make argument after argument that illegal hispanic immigration is good for the Southwest US. Acceptable economic analysis paints a very different picture, with the net cost to society being in the billions.
In the last few decades, people have been fed never-ending propaganda of how the U. S. Must leave and solve all the world's problems. You don't have to be very well-versed in economics or financial matters to understand what a mess we've made out of our domestic situation. And look at the squabbling over all this reform law, specifically since it targets mongering and related issues of being a hetero male. VAWA, VAWA II, IMBRA, now this HR 3887, if it passes. Increased shaming of men for consensual prostitution busts on a local level. All unconstitutional in my book, all very reactive social policies.
My point is, the US needs to regain some sense of responsibility to our own domestic situation first and foremost.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]All true and well and nice, but the United States is an almost singular case in that the rule of law is at the core of being an American. Without the Constitution, without law, an "American" is a hard thing to define. In contrast, a person from China or France or Russia does not need to reach very far to know who they are if the government falls apart and the law breaks down. When people arrive in the US skipping ahead of the law, it's fundamentally at odds with the principles that hold the country together.
As for being heartless, it's a shame there's a lack of resources in the world; in a sense it's heartless that the time and money spent in a mildly pointless discussion in cyberspace can not be effectively used to help people in Darfur. But that's the way it is. We apparently would rather use these resources to employ a bunch of network engineers and programmers and designers and other highly skilled professionals to sustain the information infrastructure than just send that money to some worthy and unfortunate person in Africa.
It's not clear to me that it's "heartless" for an American parent to want to see their tax dollars go to funding a quality education for thier own kids. The American parent has enough problems and is under enough pressures, moving a bunch of people into a school district who are not paying much in the way of taxes and have plenty of kids - that's got it's own heartless edge to it.
Certainly, you must have dealt with these kinds of issues in your own life? You've had to deal with wanting to do something desirable and good and not had the time and money to make it happen, right? It works the same way in national life.[/QUOTE]
Well Said...However, personally i had more issues with women kind than immigrants :)
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Johnny,
Immigration has being going on for centuries, there is a natural flow of people moving from one parts to the another.
America would not have being America..if europeans have not moved from europe due to issues back there.
India have being accepting immigrants from 1000's of years, parsis, Jews, whom even europe discarded were accpeted in India and more recently, tibetens are being accepted, dalai lama and all tibetens monks headquerters are in India.
Now, all monks, persians and jews came emty handed, but still they were accepted, and even today, they follow there own customs and culture and the people & indian government does not interfere and slowly they have gelled into indian society.
It is totally heartless to say, if you do not posses any skills we don't want you..its America's time to face immigrants, cos its prosperous now..people with issues become immigrants most of the time....if they possess skils and can live in their homeland why would they come to America at first place.
The majority of first generation immigrants will not have skills, but In America as we have seen, surely the second, third generation Americans will be more skilled and contribute to the society like bill gates, obama, sergie brin and million others[/QUOTE]
Dude you are dreaming American is becoming a total shithole the Ellis Inland days are over.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I think it's the opposite actually. Immigrants usually come with valuable skills and contribute to the greater society peacefully, although they are generally way underpaid for what they do. Their children on the other hand wind up exposed to American public schools among other things and not only wind up less skilled, they have a very high rate of criminality.[/QUOTE]
Dude what U.N. Charter are you reading next you will call for One World Government. We are losing jobs here in the State and bringing poor immigrates here. For what? For what Jobs? Get a life read a book. look around you and stop listening to these fool on T.V.
[QUOTE=Johnnybmeya]Bl,
And look at the squabbling over all this reform law, specifically since it targets mongering and related issues of being a hetero male. VAWA, VAWA II, IMBRA, now this HR 3887, if it passes. Increased shaming of men for consensual prostitution busts on a local level. All unconstitutional in my book, all very reactive social policies.
.[/QUOTE]
Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA)
The Violence Against Women Act of 2000 (VAWA II)
The International Marriage Brokers Regulation Act (IMBRA)
Child Soldier Prevention Act of 2007 (HR 3887)
Some guys might wonder if this relatively recent string of legislation really impacts them. There's a great essay by Edward Levi "an introduction to legal reasoning" where he discusses the Mann Act (aka the White Slave Traffic Act) which passed through Congress in 1910. He talks about the original arguments which were used move the act through Congress. There was a lot of concern about women being imported into the United States at the time for the purpose of prostitution.
The interesting thing in Levi's discussion is the variety of cases that came to court under the Mann Act and the way various courts added to the law, defining law that went beyond the original arguments used to move the legislation through Congress. The courts needed to address questions like, say, what if the woman (victim) is self-trafficking? What if you run a brothel and take your employees on a vacation across state lines? Ambiguity within the Act created an opening for years of legal activity. The cases that came before the courts certainly covered territory that was never considered when Congress passed the Act.
IMBRA ought to be renamed the "Immigration Lawyer and Bureaucrat Employment Act of 2006" or the "American Pussy Protection Act" or the "Additional Barriers to Marriage Act". Still, it does not seem likely courts are going to overturn it, since it seems grounded in Article I, Section 8. Commercial regulation across borders. The fact that the consititution does not cover marriage is getting some attention these days. I guess you could counter the federal government was never intended to regulate marriage in any way.
Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, if I were to get married, based on my situation, I'd consider moving to the bride's country and marrying there since the United States has a culture where contention and law play such a dominate role in most relationships.
[QUOTE=Three I]Dude what U.N. Charter are you reading next you will call for One World Government. We are losing jobs here in the State and bringing poor immigrates here. For what? For what Jobs? Get a life read a book. look around you and stop listening to these fool on T.V.[/QUOTE]
Tsk tsk. Listen my little green friend, first I don't OWN a TV, haven't for four years. Secondly. I AM A FUCKING IMMIGRANT. Put that one in your pipe and smoke it. This country couldn't even keep its own lights on without the help of immigrants.
And I suggest some remedial education to help counteract that "quality" American education your ass got. Then people won't have to read your posts multiple times to get over the spelling and grammar errors in a TWO SENTENCE POST!
What I'm saying is anybody who thinks IMMIGRATION is what's ruining this country is an IDIOT who WATCHES TOO MUCH TV!
[QUOTE=Three I]
And by the way I am not a religious nut.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm curious why you take the time to say you are not a "religious nut". Does this mean you understand what you are saying is considered nutty?
Your ideas are not new. For instance -
"I WILL continue the consideration of some of the points in our political system, of which the foreign conspirators take advantage in their attacks on our liberties. We have seen that from the nature of the case the emigrant Catholics generally are shamefully illiterate, and without opinions of their own. They are and must be under the direction of their priests." - Samual Morse, 1835. "Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States"
If this 'conspiracy' is still a running venture, I give it damn poor marks. 180 years and all the Catholics the Pope has apparently been throwing at the Republic keep getting educated and turning into productive members of American society. The United States has thrived and prospered like no other nation in history over those 180 years.
It's very difficult to see you as "not a religious nut" - can you explain what you mean by that? It seems like you understand that what you are saying is the sort of thing people expect to hear from a religious nut. How are you different?
The US is going into a decline phase, every great power has entered into a decline. This is nothing new. I really don't think the US is looking the same these days. Of course the US has thrived and prospered like no one else for the past 200 years but note the word "past", I am not sure about the future, it looks more like Asia's century for wealth than anyone else's.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]The US is going into a decline phase, every great power has entered into a decline. This is nothing new. I really don't think the US is looking the same these days. Of course the US has thrived and prospered like no one else for the past 200 years but note the word "past", I am not sure about the future, it looks more like Asia's century for wealth than anyone else's.[/QUOTE]
Actually CBGB you have good reason for gloom and doom, however I think a few us understands how the government works and how they try and take advantage of the uneducated as they don't know any better. Just think of the people that still hope Obama isn't Muslim like that somehow has an effect on things anyway.
Its how our government has taught dumbies that Muslims are bad in any form.
Being a Christian is good, LOL, they can't be serious!
Its this stupid religious "under-current" in our social system that throws everything off and you can't have an intelligent conversation 90% cause they just don't get it.
The key is our education system; it needs to be rebuilt and we have to be more vigilant about who we put in office and who they are connected too.
It can be done, we can undo the damage of the last 25-30 years of conservative rule, after all Teddy's "Square Deal" and FDR's " New Deal" moved this country in a progressive direction unforeseen in any industrialized nation.
While traditional colonial powers where busy rebuilding themselves from WW2, we prospered positively and jumped ahead of them all! We can do it again, we can no longer afford to be asleep at the wheel and until America starts looking like Beirut in the 80's or the Gaza Strip currently, why are people so CONCERNED with being attacked again?????
Notice you have not heard anything about the terror alert system lately? Its because we aren't listening!
What all this has to do about American Women, I have no idea - :D
Dj4,
I agree with concern over the conservative fundamentalists. I don't begrudge them the right to live as they choose, but I don't like their effect on other people's lives, or on policy. If they want to suck people into their reality, they'd better offer compelling reasons to follow their doctrines and ways of life.
The Republicans party has done an incredible disservice to any concept of conservatism the past 40 years. I refuse to use the term Rebublican and conservative in conjunction. The biggest, most wasteful spenders are the Republicans, not the Democrats. That I'll agree with any day of the week.
At the same time, I have an axe to grind with most liberals as well. Remember, the Republicans will court the illegal immigrants and feminists, but the radical Left will outright empower them. The Left will kick the male breadwinner out of his own house, then encourage sueing him for continued support of a household he's no longer a member, take away his kids, possibly jail him if he says anything to the contrary, jail him if he can't keep up with his support payments and legal bills (even if they're unrealistic), and give the female run of the land, presumption of legal proof to anything and everything she says or claims. Lovely.
Liberals love losers. They know their votes count just as well as anybody else's.
Liberals really court feminism. And I have no issue at all with the egalitarian principles of feminism when it comes to the workplace. But look at the legacy of feminism and what it has done to sustained, adult relationships in this country. Its utter bullshit. Abortion on Demand. Divorce on Demand. Its a whole platform of women do whatever they want, act upon any impulse they may have, and then use whatever means necessary to reverse what they have done, and bury it in propaganda which falsely excuses such behavior as "female empowerment. " A very reactive movement that hides behind well-crafted propaganda and plays on the Achilles heel of the masculine impulse to protect women, and warps that beyond all belief. Honestly, if there were not that amazingly powerful sexual power that forms our very being at play in male/female dynamics, women would be at an incredible disadvantage in our society, instead of now where they're at--which is they are the majority of the population by gender, and also, when all the smoke clears, actually control 60%+ of the wealth of this country. Hardly a minority, hardly a disadvantaged class by gender. Yet the bullshit continues.
But I ranted a little too much on the Liberal front. Really, both sides are rotten nowadays, in their own unique ways. Way I see it, Republicans are the biggest wasters, continuing to spend us into oblivion, continued monies into the MIC when the military challenges we primarily face nowadays have moved far away from conventional warfare. And these conservatives hide behind their ideologies when it comes to reforming our social systems, which are a real necessity in a post-agrarian economy such as ours.
And Liberals? They keep loving on their own special interests. Where's our universal health care? Nope--instead, we have disproportionate socialized health care for some, and others left out in the cold because they don't fit the Left's definition of misery needed to qualify. Instead of one primary organizational structure efficiently overseeing health care for all, we have numerous bureaucracies all managing their own little fiefdoms in god-awful, inefficient ways, often in contradiction with one another.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] The key is our education system; it needs to be rebuilt ... [/QUOTE]
You hit the nail SQUARELY on the head with that one, DJ!!!!
I used to work in education. Budget deficits and for-profit schools are dragging down standards. Everyone wants to provide education on the cheap. It can't be done if you are serious about educating and training a world class labor force and making an intelligent electorate. On the other side of the coin, students and their parents want ALL "A" grades in ALL their coures. That is a pipe dream. For grades to have any meaningful sense some students have to get B's and others C's, D's and F's. Otherwise it is just a fancy pass/fail system, where if you pass you get "A" and if you fail yoiu get some other lower grade.
The educational system for the majority of Americans is already done the tubes, through the looking glass, and into Wonderland. The ultra wealthy elite are taught in private schools where the debates about replacing evolution with "intelligent design" as the foundation of biology are rightly considered nonsense.
What does America going downhill have to do with American Women? For one, the increasingly shitty exchange rates are making it harder to travel or move overseas, some people who have pensions are getting screwed over because their money is becoming worth a lot less. A lot of countries in Eastern Europe, my favorite place to monger, are eventually going to use the Euro, I heard a few analysts saying that 1EUR=3-4US Dollars over the next ten years. The Dollar is also falling against a heap of other currencies like the Yen, Brazilian Real(another pussy paradise), etc. Another reason why its easy to hook up with foreign women is because of the perception of Americans, which is frankly going rapidly downhill. I have noticed a big difference in how people react to Americans in past years and I live overseas. I live in Australia, when I came to the country in 2000, the perception of Americans was very favorable, I saw that it gradually went downhill, a few Australian women I met told me they went to the USA recently and had a horrible experience, did not find it to be fun at all, a few years before I would never hear those kinds of remarks. I even asked a German woman what most people there thought of Americans and it has went downhill there, they are also getting very cocky because the Euro is trashing the Dollar left and right.
An interesting book review on marriage in America
[url]http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1511/article_detail.asp[/url]
Wow, what a steaming load of horseshit.
Studies in fact show that kids do NOT need their biological parents as much as they need adult attention and guidance, PERIOD.
The one question that is nagging me all night is....If America is the most powerfull nation on earth..or it was or it still is and if it is the land of the brave and of unlimited oppourtunity. The best and the most prosperous country ever
Then what i fail to understand and i think all of Phds and scientist combined will never be able to answer is ..Why haven't America produced a greater force to mankind like Jesus Christ, Buddha or Mother Terasa like figure in all of its glory.
The nation poorer and worse than America..have produced gems whom the whole world revere..
All right America have gates, jorden, micheal et all..still..people won't remember any great american 100 years from now...the force of Jesus and budha are still alive 1000's of years.
Im not anti-american, but these lofty talk by politicain etc in every speach is dragging away from the real cause of problems in America
America is all about profits....not prophets.
American woman have shot themselves in the with this feminist movement crap and it is all about me.
The vast majority of American women are depressed, over weight, looking to find a supporter.
Just the other day coming out of the movies i heard a women yell half way across the parking lot that she was going to kick some guy's ass! She runs across the parking lot and gets into this guy's face and screams at him again that she was going to kick his ass and of course being the pussy's that American men have turn into he did nothing.
Now i am not activating hitting women by any stretch of the imagination and quite frankly it does not take much of a man to do so HOWEVER if you want to act like a man then i will treat you as one.
American women act the way they do because we as men( and social forces) have allowed women to just go off the deep end.
Hello, Ezinho here currently reporting from South America.
Just out of curiosity, since this is the American Women thread, has anyone here actually had sex with an AW recently? Or even just gone out on a date with one? I'm coming back to Sex Prison soon and I'd be interested to hear about any stories anyone has regarding dating or banging AWs. I wonder if I've missed out on anything.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Then what i fail to understand and i think all of Phds and scientist combined will never be able to answer is ..Why haven't America produced a greater force to mankind like Jesus Christ, Buddha or Mother Terasa like figure in all of its glory.[/QUOTE]
In belated honour of Black History Month, which just ended last week, I nominate the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. as an example of a non-materialistic force for humankind that the USA has produced.
Economic reports on housing foreclosures suggest that women are getting disproportionately hurt by this housing crisis.
Does anyone think their attitudes will change? That AWs will start to look at men as full partners who are essential to a healthy household and give up the "I don't need a man." (cause fish don't need bicycles) attitude?
Okay, I'll go along with that. I second the nomination.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]America is all about profits....not prophets.[/QUOTE]
This is the Gilded Age all over again...
America has been all about making money $$$$ and worldly accomplishment, not making a new Christ, although religion is a powerful force in the USA. Consider the election, Obama lost some votes because people did not think he was Christian, then again Barack Hussein Obama doesn't sound very Christian.
Still lets face it, the Euro is smacking the US Dollar around, people now use the phrase the "Humble Dollar" and Might Euro these days.
Bang Cheito,
Agree, what children really need is adults who are actively involved in their lives and are invested in guiding them into adulthood. 100% agreed.
Does it have to be their biological parents? Not necessarily.
I know you mean well with you comment, but for the masses of people, let me ask you this--who do you think is most willing to take care of and raise these children? Think about it--what would you have to pay adults to raise children with the same level of care for 18 years? In addition, the state would have to pay for the child's needs, instead of the parents doing so with after-tax dollars. To get a child from cradle to high school graduation, you'd be looking at six-figures to accomplish the same thing millions of loving parents accomplish.
Yup. Their biological parents are the first choice. Now certainly not always, we all know the horror stories. I won't discount that. But in social policy, nothing is fullproof. In large majority, though, the kids are better off with an involved mommy and daddy, and extended biological family.
The whole "biological parents is unnecessary to raising children" is often used by the feminist regime to discount keeping daddy in the picture. Of course, they used to believe that alimony was unnecessary, until they figured out the State had no means to make up the difference for losing one parent's income. So, in cases where the woman has learned she is the victim and entitled, they'll take daddy's money, but frame the rearing of the children squarely around the mother, all other things considered.
I certainly don't discount that women have a much higher personal investment in each side. An individual man could conceivably have thousands of children. Obviously, this is a fact of nature.
But a lot of guys marry with good intentions of raising a family. And something is wrong when these guys are exposed to much more damage when a divorce occurs. In my opinion, if you think about it, an unmarried woman would be more entitled to sue the man who impregnated her than suing her husband, in general cases. The husband has committed to the woman, and provided emotional and financial support. Why disproportionately punish him if things fall apart? If he just knocked her up and that was it, he'd only be up for child support payments. There are just real major, fundamental problems with feminist policy. Its reactive and cancerous to the common good.
Hymowitz is a hypocritical idiot. Read my earlier back-to-back comparison of articles that show she has separate agendas for single young females versus single young men.
BG, my point is, we should encourage biological parents to take care of their own children. The State has no scope or realistic means to supplement the loss of a good biological parent. Yes, children can be raised by others, and that is all part of the feminist "it takes a village to raise a child, " but let's not kid ourselves. State-sponsored programs to assist in rearing children SUCK in comparison to a good family environment.
[QUOTE=George90]Economic reports on housing foreclosures suggest that women are getting disproportionately hurt by this housing crisis.
Does anyone think their attitudes will change? [/QUOTE]
Won't happen, instead you'll have a lot more AW joining the p4p ranks.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Won't happen, instead you'll have a lot more AW joining the p4p ranks.[/QUOTE]
And who will their customers be?????? Us????
I think supply will rise but demand will fall. Do you think these new P4P players would adjust their prices downward to accomodate economic reality?
No way, prices will always be higher in the US than in most places in the world, especially Europe.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Won't happen, instead you'll have a lot more AW joining the p4p ranks.[/QUOTE]
[i]LOL[/i]
There is about as many AW willing to join the P4P trade as there is Christan Reich will have an actually effect on the Presidental race.
NOT MANY!
They are taking the Euro now in New York, no shock there. To the rich pigs at the top they don't care which form is comes in, its still CASH.
For the rest of us, with record cut-backs and job losses mounting there will be less money for everything and that includes the futle dating of AW which demand far more investment than warranted.
But for US budget travelers (myself included) that are not traveling abroad for work, we are faced with the serious issue of getting laid. If it wasn't happening for "free" before in the US, it will be even harder when you can't pay for the 3-4 dates needed in order to get into their pants.
Mongering in the US is not an option and I feel because of the proximity South America and Canada will be new destinations for those searching for a bargin.
However I do feel that Europeans will start discounting hotel and airline rates. I know BMW has already cut back production of their new 1 series entry level car, so I know Europeans are interested in still making a profit from Americans.
Chinese are traveling with there new found wealth, however don't we go to China for P4P??? (At least some of us do) so they are not going to say Germany for this reason and I don't think you'll see the amount of Chinese tourist jump up because only a few are making all the money, not the factory workers making Hot Wheels and LCD TV's...
I certainly am not saying that the state should be in charge of raising children. I'm just saying it doesn't HAVE to be the biological parents INCLUDING THE MOTHER.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I certainly am not saying that the state should be in charge of raising children. I'm just saying it doesn't HAVE to be the biological parents INCLUDING THE MOTHER.[/QUOTE]
Of course it doesn't, it used to take a village to raise a child, biological was prefered but not required.
DJ, BC CBGB and to the rest of the motley crew on this thread keep up the good work. I learn something from you guys everyday.
Some of the more Christian European countries have the most active sex trades. Germany for example, a Catholic group helped to build a drive through brothel, really. Israel is supposed to have one of the biggest sex industries in the world, the country that is the birthplace of three religions!!!
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]The one question that is nagging me all night is....If America is the most powerfull nation on earth..or it was or it still is and if it is the land of the brave and of unlimited oppourtunity. The best and the most prosperous country ever
Then what i fail to understand and i think all of Phds and scientist combined will never be able to answer is ..Why haven't America produced a greater force to mankind like Jesus Christ, Buddha or Mother Terasa like figure in all of its glory.
The nation poorer and worse than America..have produced gems whom the whole world revere..
All right America have gates, jorden, micheal et all..still..people won't remember any great american 100 years from now...the force of Jesus and budha are still alive 1000's of years.
Im not anti-american, but these lofty talk by politicain etc in every speach is dragging away from the real cause of problems in America[/QUOTE]
The answer is in your question. All these humans (mostly men) like Jesus, Buddha or Gandhi are born out of severe social crisis and unrest. America, a very young country, so far did not have the need for one because of the genius forefathers, the blessed resources and collective industry......may be in the future, the world's next Gandhi will come from America.
Did anyone else see the news article today about a woman in New Jersey, a lawyer by profession, who is suing 6 Altantic City casinos for $20 M?
She lost over $1,000,000 over the past 5 years gambling. She owes the IRS $58,000. She embezzled money from her clients, and was disbarred for it. She blames the casinos. Her claim is that the casinos "had a duty of care to me." When the dealers saw her gambling for 3 or 4 days STRAIGHT, without eating or sleeping, they should have made her stop and barred her from gambling any more.
I suppose I shouldn't be, but I am still surprised at the sheer gall of shirking one's personal responsibilities and blaming others for personal faults.
I wonder if we will ever see a man sue a prostitute for letting him have too much sex with her.
[QUOTE=George90]Did anyone else see the news article today about a woman in New Jersey, a lawyer by profession, who is suing 6 Altantic City casinos for $20 M?
She lost over $1,000,000 over the past 5 years gambling. She owes the IRS $58,000. She embezzled money from her clients, and was disbarred for it. She blames the casinos. Her claim is that the casinos "had a duty of care to me." When the dealers saw her gambling for 3 or 4 days STRAIGHT, without eating or sleeping, they should have made her stop and barred her from gambling any more.
I suppose I shouldn't be, but I am still surprised at the sheer gall of shirking one's personal responsibilities and blaming others for personal faults.
I wonder if we will ever see a man sue a prostitute for letting him have too much sex with her.[/QUOTE]
Imagine if she was getting a divorce and the sh*t she would throw out at the spouse.
If the casinos tried to stop her... imagine the type of stupid lawsuits that she will file against them.
[QUOTE=D Etat]DJ, BC CBGB and to the rest of the motley crew on this thread keep up the good work. I learn something from you guys everyday.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, the REAL news is located on the back pages of the newspaper;
About your only source for print media that hasn't be totally computed.
Your media is owned by 6 massive corporations, you think the message is controlled a bit?
The religious under current I mentioned keeps Prostitution illegal here (save for Nevada and no where near modern day Las Vegas) while PORN isn't, hmmm
(Guys I am trying really hard to tie this into the thread discussion..., at least I hope to be more successful than Bush trying to link 9/11 to Saddam)
You can only "LEARN" by living and READING the information, if you HAVE to watch it find Link TV or Democracy Now...
Otherwise, stay tuned to this thread for news and topical information cause I, don't think anybody can remember the last time we fucked an American women and enjoyed it....
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Some of the more Christian European countries have the most active sex trades. Germany for example, a Catholic group helped to build a drive through brothel, really. Israel is supposed to have one of the biggest sex industries in the world, the country that is the birthplace of three religions!!![/QUOTE]
Shiet I heard on Bill Press, that the US has the lowest frequency of sex at less than twice a week in most relationships!
We don't fuck enough in other words, I WONDER WHY?????
CBGB - the IRONY is strong isn't it?
[QUOTE=George90]Did anyone else see the news article today about a woman in New Jersey, a lawyer by profession, who is suing 6 Altantic City casinos for $20 M?
She lost over $1,000,000 over the past 5 years gambling. She owes the IRS $58,000. She embezzled money from her clients, and was disbarred for it. She blames the casinos. Her claim is that the casinos "had a duty of care to me." When the dealers saw her gambling for 3 or 4 days STRAIGHT, without eating or sleeping, they should have made her stop and barred her from gambling any more.
I suppose I shouldn't be, but I am still surprised at the sheer gall of shirking one's personal responsibilities and blaming others for personal faults.
I wonder if we will ever see a man sue a prostitute for letting him have too much sex with her.[/QUOTE]
She has gall and she stole from clients!
But in America some would argue that the gambling industry forced her to do the things she did and this whole Sub Prime lending thing that was mainly targeted to lower income families (black, white, brown and otherwise, but primarily to those with darker skin) that these people are shirking [i]their[/i] responsiblies, when the Government regularly bails out large corporations...
In 2002, I was in San Francisco for work for quite a few weeks.
One night, I went out to a nice restaurant on Union in Pacific Heights with some work colleagues, , and we ended up chatting to this gorgeous girl and her friend.
We asked them out to drinks after dinner, but the pretty one said that she had to go back to the East Bay to drop her friend off, but maybe later. I said, in my charming English accent, 'Why don't I come and keep you company for the return journey', which she readily agreed to.
Anyway, after dropping her friend off, we made a 'stop' at Angel Island, and proceeded to make out and eventually had sex (unprotected - stupid me) in her car. It was great, as she was gorgeous, with the tightest body... but she refused to let me touch her face... something about spots. Anyway, she offered to drop me back in the Marina, but on the way pulled into a gas station, and asked me to pay for her petrol... talk about indirect 'pay-for-play'.
She also called me about 2 months later (I stupidly gave her my real name and number) telling me she was pregnant and needed $ for an abortion. I told her I would send over a few hundred $, but didn't have more as I had lost my job (as an investment banker). That was the last I heard from her...
I completely understand what all of you feel about American women; I don't think I would ever want to date one, at least not seriously.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Unfortunately, the REAL news is located on the back pages of the newspaper;
About your only source for print media that hasn't be totally computed.
Your media is owned by 6 massive corporations, you think the message is controlled a bit?
The religious under current I mentioned keeps Prostitution illegal here (save for Nevada and no where near modern day Las Vegas) while PORN isn't, hmmm
(Guys I am trying really hard to tie this into the thread discussion..., at least I hope to be more successful than Bush trying to link 9/11 to Saddam)
You can only "LEARN" by living and READING the information, if you HAVE to watch it find Link TV or Democracy Now...
Otherwise, stay tuned to this thread for news and topical information cause I, don't think anybody can remember the last time we fucked an American women and enjoyed it....[/QUOTE]
I read five sources of news daily. Star and stripes newspaper, because I work for the US government. Sunstar/Cebu, because I live in the Philippines. BBC because they seem to be balanced in terms of world wide coverage. CNN because for me it’s the best news station in America and I check out my hometown’s top online paper.
That being said I wouldn’t disagree with you that news is controlled by corporations with an agenda. I think all people have an agenda. Every time I meet someone I ask what does this person want from me that they have invited themselves into my life. Cynical? I agree with what you said by “living” you learn, experience and eccentric information are the best teachers.
News From America
I haven’t been to my hometown in two years and America in one year.
People question me. “You are in your 20s why do you choose to live abroad especially in a third world country?”
Well the cover of my hometown newspaper told the all too common story of a high-school student getting gun-down over a $150 hat two days ago.
Then with the news on the economy and the dating scene in America I am cool right where I am at.
In Philippine news: Gang of guys roaming around looking for little kids so they can cut their organs out.
[url]http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/bag/2008/03/10/news/boy.escapes.capture.by.bonnet.wearing.men.html[/url]
Same dumb shit everywhere. You are only safe if another human being is not around.
Last American girl I fucked?
One year and a half ago. My ex-wife a Mexican American Chica and it sucked as usual.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]cause I, don't think anybody can remember the last time we fucked an American women and enjoyed it....[/QUOTE]
I remember... :) American women can fuck very decently if they want to, even though I still prefer Euro women and Slavs.
They main issue I have with US women is that they are so insecure in their sexuality.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I remember... :) American women can fuck very decently if they want to, even though I still prefer Euro women and Slavs.
They main issue I have with US women is that they are so insecure in their sexuality.[/QUOTE]
DS, I agree with your comments......Eastern European women put 'em to shame in the screwing as well as the looks department.
Even if the economy and status of the US starts to enter a sharp decline, I don't think AWs are going to change anytime in the near future. They will always be AWs.
I agree 100%. I would much rather have a non-American Latina or Asian, as opposed to an American woman. American women are way too spoiled and materialistic for me, not to mention moody as hell!
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Even if the economy and status of the US starts to enter a sharp decline, I don't think AWs are going to change anytime in the near future. They will always be AWs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Even if the economy and status of the US starts to enter a sharp decline, I don't think AWs are going to change anytime in the near future. They will always be AWs.[/QUOTE]
Last time?
2005
A local girl I know, she was not all that cute and had a series of personal issues but called me up horny one night.
I have pretty much cut-off all contact with American women, a new girl (22, Half Latino, Half Phip, Pimpled badly) started working at my job recently, come to find out she's interested in the Latino Service Writer.
Which proves even the questionable ones overlook me.... Not that I care.
Ah, this world my goodness, I am looking forward to going back to Europe... Even if I have to pay 50-65 Euro for 30 mins its still better than what's available here!
I mentioned the Mann Act a few posts back. Here is an example of how it can be used....
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin[/url]
Also, Enziho, yeah, I've had sex with an AW recently. This was with an ex girlfriend who, ultimately, was looking for a husband and children. As far as I can see, there's plenty of good pussy in the United States. If you've got any prospects at all there are all kinds of women looking for a decent husband and children. If that's what you want, and you don't have any problem giving up sex and taking on the huge commitments you get with children, all with a reasonable chance she may sue for divorce....and etc, etc, etc....you've heard it all here before....
I know I could lie to these AWs - present myself as a guy interested in them and having a family and then screw around with them and dump them. It's just too much of a hastle. It was a mistake for me to even spend time with an ex GF. What am I supposed to tell her? "Well, I want to help you, but in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years out it is my vision to be still having sex with hot young women & that vision is totally at odds with raising a traditional American family."
“She said she was not sure that Ms. Dupré realized who Mr. Spitzer was when he was her client"
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/nyregion/12cnd-kristen.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]
Here she is with some more pics:
[url]http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/gallery/0,23816,5030322-17382,00.html[/url]
She's hot.
I don't remember what American women are like. Was with the ex for five years. Ever since me and the ex split been spending the last year and half partying in Dubai, PI and Thailand. Last contact I had with an American chick was out in Cali. Fat white chick who paid for my breakfast at a Denny's Diner trying to flirt. Going back to the states next month for week I will try my luck just for kicks and report back to you guys.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Here she is with some more pics:
[url]http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/gallery/0,23816,5030322-17382,00.html[/url]
She's hot.[/QUOTE]
She is hot but not worth 4Gs. Even if she can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.
[QUOTE=D Etat]She is hot but not worth 4Gs. Even if she can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.[/QUOTE]
NO, not worth 4Gs.... not that I had 4Gs to throw out the window anyway... :)
The only girl that would be worth 4Gs for me would have to have some special feature to make it worthwhile, and I don't mean in terms of physical beauty. Something that gives you a psychological kick. Mere sex just doesn't do it for me anymore, I get laid too much I suppose. Shucks.
Would have to be something truly memorable, something like an otherwise untouchable celebrity or the boss's wife or something forbidden like the virgin princess of some conservative nation. And of course no deal if I can't get it on video... :)
Christina Aguilera and those massive hooters she's sportin' now come to mind as does Nellie Furtado, but only if it was in that beautiful ass of hers.
Google Collien Fernandez, she's a German celebrity. Fucking awesome bod. She'd only be worth about a G though. Not famous enough. :)
No way in hell an unknown "8" like you might meet in any upscale disco would be worth anything above $300.
[quote=jelly donut]i mentioned the mann act a few posts back. here is an example of how it can be used....
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin[/url]
also, enziho, yeah, i've had sex with an aw recently. this was with an ex girlfriend who, ultimately, was looking for a husband and children. as far as i can see, there's plenty of good pussy in the united states. if you've got any prospects at all there are all kinds of women looking for a decent husband and children. if that's what you want, and you don't have any problem giving up sex and taking on the huge commitments you get with children, all with a reasonable chance she may sue for divorce....and etc, etc, etc....you've heard it all here before....
i know i could lie to these aws - present myself as a guy interested in them and having a family and then screw around with them and dump them. it's just too much of a hastle. it was a mistake for me to even spend time with an ex gf. what am i supposed to tell her? "well, i want to help you, but in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years out it is my vision to be still having sex with hot young women & that vision is totally at odds with raising a traditional american family."[/quote]
jd its not all gloom and doom, its the rules of the game that suck...
fact -
i am 37 (be 38 in aug) and western(ized) women are not comfortable with more than a 5-7 (10 as recommended by some) year age difference. hence that puts my effect dating age at 28-38.
the reality -
as doc asked previously - "do you want that???"
90% of these women have children from a previous sucker, err i mean relationship. now others in this thread have echoed that [i]ready made[/i] might be ideal, no [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord132][CodeWord132][/url] changing and the like.
i am holding on to this funny idea of being a first time parent, those two ideas clash...
fact -
after 30 many women are worst for wear in the looks department, many suffer from the usual trappings of being a busy single mother. some don't know how to back away from the dinner table, lunch counter, etc, almost every personal states under body type - "a few extra pounds" (only 5% of those are overrating..) others are just honest - "heavy build"
the reality -
what's a brotha suppose to do???
fucking with chubby chicks is not an option, period.
fucking with tired, old looking chicks is not an option.
i have two solutions...
a) not dealing with ins and k1 visas
b) dealing with ins, k1 visas and up to 8 months of government bs
option a; clearly means western european women
option b; means eastern european women, not to mention commiucation barriers...
either option is cheap, basically stupid (only when you tell other people) and downright insane to most people.
but i feel that is my only shot and the headaches i feel are reasonable if it gets me to what i want.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]NO, not worth 4Gs.... not that I had 4Gs to throw out the window anyway... :)
The only girl that would be worth 4Gs for me would have to have some special feature to make it worthwhile, and I don't mean in terms of physical beauty. Something that gives you a psychological kick. Mere sex just doesn't do it for me anymore, I get laid too much I suppose. Shucks.
Would have to be something truly memorable, something like an otherwise untouchable celebrity or the boss's wife or something forbidden like the virgin princess of some conservative nation. And of course no deal if I can't get it on video... :)
Christina Aguilera and those massive hooters she's sportin' now come to mind as does Nellie Furtado, but only if it was in that beautiful ass of hers.
Google Collien Fernandez, she's a German celebrity. Fucking awesome bod. She'd only be worth about a G though. Not famous enough. :)
No way in hell an unknown "8" like you might meet in any upscale disco would be worth anything above $300.[/QUOTE]
I'd say roughly $3500 of that charge was "hush" money. High class hookers with high class clients pay the "hush" fee so word doesn't get around. To he honest and she is tight, but there better looking women than here to pay that kind a [i]cheddar[/i] for.
Funny thing is, Nellie is still a single mother and as I have told other people several times; celebrities are normal people with either alot of zeros in their bank account or known as well as Coke-A-Cola world wide.
In their love lives, they get dumped and played like other people do.
All I can say Doc is you have game my brotha and put in a position to put the mack down to Nellie I think you would do just fine...
Ashley Dupre??? She is NOT HOT. You have to be fucking kidding me that she is worth 4,000 dollars. There was one German FKK girl I met in 2001, she would be worth that kind of money but not American women is worth that kind of cash.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Ashley Dupre??? She is NOT HOT. You have to be fucking kidding me that she is worth 4,000 dollars. There was one German FKK girl I met in 2001, she would be worth that kind of money but not American women is worth that kind of cash.[/QUOTE]
Nobody said she's worth $4,000... but very fuckable she is. I tend to think she'd look mighty fine to you if she was lying in front of you naked with her legs spread. I also dig the FKK chicks... but none of them are worth more than the 50 € they charge either... supply and demand...
BTW, ever seen those FKK chicks with their clothes ON? They tend to look a bit more plain as well. Naked boobies and twats tend to make a girl prettier... :)
Actually I have seen an FKK girl with clothes on, last summer, I saw a few being dropped off before starting their shift, I also saw a few leaving the club to go home. One of the most beautiful ones dresses like a Tomboy, she happened to be one who digged me quite a bit, she was snotty to a lot of other customers too but nice to me, maybe because I wasn't old and fat. True they look more G-rated with clothes on but clothing is deceiving, especially that for cold climates. In warm places like Australia, you can tell who is hot or not because most women wear clothes for a warm climate. Even in summer I thought it was rare for most European women to wear shorts.
There was one FKK girl I met in 2001 who was an absolute stunner, Jessica Alba like but actually hotter than Jessica Alba.
I got a flickr of real American girls, California girls in fact, on their way to Disneyland, look what they are putting in their bodies, yukkk!!!
[url]http://static.flickr.com/38/109025053_df6d8be7e7.jpg[/url]
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Ashley Dupre??? She is NOT HOT. You have to be fucking kidding me that she is worth 4,000 dollars. There was one German FKK girl I met in 2001, she would be worth that kind of money but not American women is worth that kind of cash.[/QUOTE]
I agree!!!!! Agencies prey on guys dumb enough to pay them. Let's face it, good sex from a good lady is good sex from a good lady and the price that is charged doesn't usually have anything to do with it. Of course, some guy's EGOS are so hopelessly attached to their libidos that they actually believe the more they pay the better it will be. Are we so fucked up to see this??????
My take on Eliot is that he just paid too much for something of that quality. What a total chump to pay for that type of prices for that low quality goods. As of $31K for the daily rate... what a totaly ripoff.
btw... Eliot is suppose to be a Harvard grad, one of America's smartest, For him to paid so much and get so little... he is just another dumbass idiot that graduated from America's best schools.
hey Eliot, if you are reading this... i have some real estate to sell to you in one of America's sunniest spot, No, Im not talking about your big ass... im talking about valuable land in the Mohave Desert. One of America's best land. If you sit back, you would come on down and plunk down your family's millions on a couple of acres here. btw.. i think there is also a bridge that i can sell to you here too. imagine a bridge for sale in the Mohave Desert. Imagine owning one of a few around here. Imagine you will be rich just living off the toll you can charge for crossing the Eliot bridge.
When researchers ask teenage girls what is important to them -- finding a successful job, staying close to their friends, having a family, looking good and so on -- they discovered that their answer was "everything."
[url]http://www.alternet.org/story/79521/?page=1[/url]
last time I went to the Caribbean, I was a sex tourist, last time they went, they were just feeling lonely:
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Heading-South-Charlotte-Rampling/dp/B000ION76M/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-7213903-6239130?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1172846252&sr=8-1[/url]
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]My take on Eliot is that he just paid too much for something of that quality. What a total chump to pay for that type of prices for that low quality goods. As of $31K for the daily rate... what a totaly ripoff.
btw... Eliot is suppose to be a Harvard grad, one of America's smartest, For him to paid so much and get so little... he is just another dumbass idiot that graduated from America's best schools. [/QUOTE]
Unfortunately there seems to be a high correlation between extreme levels of "education" and equally-extreme levels of arrogance and lack of common sense.
[quote=freedick]last time i went to the caribbean, i was a sex tourist, last time they went, they were just feeling lonely:
[url]http://www.amazon.com/heading-south-charlotte-rampling/dp/b000ion76m/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-7213903-6239130?ie=utf8&s=dvd&qid=1172846252&sr=8-1[/url][/quote]
yeah. that's life in the usa. a movie like [i]harold and maude[/i] (a very old woman with a very young man) is a charming comedy, while [i][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url][/i] is a dark and twisted tale. you want double-standards, we embrace 'em.
So the Governor of New York state loses his job because of pussy. It's funny, but the focus around here seems to be that he paid 4 grand to get laid.
Is that a lot of money? Sure, for most people. But you have to remember one important fact. This is how things are in New York (the city AND the state). There's a lot of people with lot's of money there. The laws of supply and demand suggest that, anywhere you find a group of super-rich guys, you should also expect to find a group of women willing to sell sex for a super-rich price. Therefore..... $4,000.
Debate over whether her looks justify the price is pretty much missing the point. If quality sex could be had (on the side) without risking social disapproval, those girls would be lucky to get $400, never mind $4000.
$80k for sex? I'd have bought myself a Lexus instead!
Rock
Yeah but Spitzer didn't obviously did not spend his own money for that *****. He was working as a public servant for years. There was no way it was his 4 Grand, he spent taxpayer money on that *****. Frankly considering Spitzer's background, he is a New York heeb, and I knew quite a few of them, they think they own the world, so the arrogant prick thought he could do anything he wanted and he lost.
Mr. "Clean"??!!! Whatever, New York is officially a shithole, its a third world country with first world prices, and no one understands English. Sure there are a lot of people with money in New York but then again there is a lot of money in Dubai, Hong Kong, Frankfurt, London, Tokyo, I could go on. Hong Kong, Tokyo, and London are passing New York as the most important money centers on the planet.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Unfortunately there seems to be a high correlation between extreme levels of "education" and equally-extreme levels of arrogance and lack of common sense.[/QUOTE]
It correlates around American law schools and the Democratic Party. You want a sex scandel? Vote for an accomplished graduate of a first-tier law school, who married another lawyer and went on to a career in the Democratic Party. Think about what law school does to people. You should smell the problems well before you vote.
"You're a lesson in history to me, Sejanus. Proving that above all mankind needs its sense of smell." - I, Claudius - Reign of Terror
On the other hand, Alan Dershowitz, who's a smart lawyer and seemingly democratic wrote an excellent editorial in the Wall Street Journal today. He writes about these laws and tools - intended to stop "white slavery" and catch terrorists, organized criminals, drug cartels and financial manipulations - being used to root out a non-violent crime, between consenting adults. He captures a lot of the doubts I have in the wake of the Spitzer case; the Federal government has a vast array of tools to use in prosecuting sex cases and ruining lives. Just because Spitzer is on the menu today, doesn't mean we won't be having jelly donuts for breakfast.
jelly donut: not that i don't agree with you about a double standard, but i'm not sure that 'harold and maude' and '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]' are good comparisons. harold was, at least, 18; [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] was 12.
as far as spitzer goes, i think that the outrageous prices that he, and others pay for are high degrees of discretion, which the escort service does provide. he got busted, not because they were investigating the escort service, but rather him.
[QUOTE=Roguesta]
As far as Spitzer goes...... He got busted, not because they were investigating the escort service, but rather him.[/QUOTE]
Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but here goes......
What was the reason they were investigating him for anyways? It almost sounds like "they" didn't find as much as they were hoping to, so they nailed him for this crap instead. Although, if CBGBs suggestion that it was taxpayers money being used is true, that would be pretty bad.
Rock
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but here goes......
What was the reason they were investigating him for anyways? It almost sounds like "they" didn't find as much as they were hoping to, so they nailed him for this crap instead. Although, if CBGBs suggestion that it was taxpayers money being used is true, that would be pretty bad.
Rock[/QUOTE]
I don't believe anyone (in authority) is suggesting he used state money. The guy has a lot of personal wealth. He certainly did not need to use government money to pay his bills and doing so would have been an obvious lingering paper trail. My understanding is he was caught because the government was watching his personal bank account. They were using legal and technical tools designed to catch organized criminals and terrorists. And, it's true, the prostitution ring these transactions led to was apparently a criminal enterprise, but it's not exactly the Gambino crime family, the FARC or a net of righteous Arabian killers.
So, I see it like Roguesta. It was political. Entirely political. Here we see the government using laws and tools designed to fight slavery and terror, in situations where no one is being enslaved or terrorized. And the government chased this case down because of one big fish. Client 9. That means at least eight other guys (clients 1-8) face some kind of legal swamp because the government went on a politically-motivated fishing expedition for Spitzer. It would have been interesting to see how things would have developed if he was an ISG member.
It did not used to be this way in the United States. People could pull money out of thier bank accounts and get on with thier lives without the Federal government pulling these kinds of stunts. I can tell you, the Mann Act would never have passed if Congressmen in 1910 knew how it would be used in 2008.
Even if you are just reading this, lurking on the ISG, you have to consider - at what point does it become politically valuable for the federal government to look into it's vast array of laws and technical tools and use them against you?
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but here goes......
What was the reason they were investigating him for anyways? It almost sounds like "they" didn't find as much as they were hoping to, so they nailed him for this crap instead. Although, if CBGBs suggestion that it was taxpayers money being used is true, that would be pretty bad.
Rock[/QUOTE]
From what I read, Spitzer was transfering money from one account to another in succession. Apparently this is similar to what criminals do when they launder money. One of the banks involved noticed the pattern of transactions and notified the FBI. I think an agent said that initially the FBI thought Spitzer was involved in bribery/payoffs and was trying to hide the source and/or destination of the money.
It was after following the money trail that they found the Emporer Club. More investigation revealed that all of the money being transfered was going to the Emporer Club. Therefore he was paying for prostitution and trying to conceal it. He was not taking bribes or laundering money.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Unfortunately there seems to be a high correlation between extreme levels of "education" and equally-extreme levels of arrogance and lack of common sense.[/QUOTE]
I used to work in education. There are accomplished full professors who are arrogant beyond belief. They have succesfully created a world of their own that operates by their own rules and do not need to interact a whole lot with ordinary folk. They have tremendous common sense in their own world, but little in our world.
However, there are enough highly educated people, (ie have Ph.D.s), who are not arrogant and have plenty of common sense. I suspect that most of them are not in academia, but work in research departments of corporations. Examples are pharmaceuticals researchers, financial markets researchers, lawyers who research the legal system such as what proportion of his sentence does the average convict serve, and consumer product safety researchers.
I think your correlation applies mostly to academics in Ivy league universities.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Nobody said she's worth $4,000... but very fuckable she is. I tend to think she'd look mighty fine to you if she was lying in front of you naked with her legs spread. I also dig the FKK chicks... but none of them are worth more than the 50 € they charge either... supply and demand...
BTW, ever seen those FKK chicks with their clothes ON? They tend to look a bit more plain as well. Naked boobies and twats tend to make a girl prettier... :)[/QUOTE]
I dunno....
That Hungarian girl I was with at Palace was High "8" material and made you wonder why she would be doing that type of work, other than the easy money and set your own schedule stuff.
She cost me 100 Euro for just over a hour and 2 shots on goal.
I'd "Sport" her before I would sport the girl Spitzer was with. Maybe its because the Hungrain was not only naked but had killer light blue eyes, super soft tan skin, great smile and nice attitude. Not to mention she was blond too :)
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]So the Governor of New York state loses his job because of pussy. It's funny, but the focus around here seems to be that he paid 4 grand to get laid.
Is that a lot of money? Sure, for most people. But you have to remember one important fact. This is how things are in New York (the city AND the state). There's a lot of people with lot's of money there. The laws of supply and demand suggest that, anywhere you find a group of super-rich guys, you should also expect to find a group of women willing to sell sex for a super-rich price. Therefore..... $4,000.
Debate over whether her looks justify the price is pretty much missing the point. If quality sex could be had (on the side) without risking social disapproval, those girls would be lucky to get $400, never mind $4000.
$80k for sex? I'd have bought myself a Lexus instead!
Rock[/QUOTE]
Amen.
I don't don't know if you guys remember the woman in New York last fall - She didn't like her the floral arrangements for her wedding. The flowers (just the flowers) cost $27,435. I can't blame her for wanting perfection. She sued the florist asking $400,000 in damages.
Also, keep in mind the US Department of Arigculture says the average upper-income family will spend $182,000 on each child [i]before[/i] they turn 17. The cost of sending your kid to Harvard for one year is about $50,000. The Spitzer's have three kids. For these people, sending your kids to college and graduate school is just part of the territory.
That just gives you an idea of the world the Spitzer's live in and some of the costs. Honestly, while most Americans would balk at these costs, for two high-end New York lawyers it's really not that much in proportion to income. It helps if your dad is worth a reported 500 million, too.
I think it's a pretty fair probability that Spitzer rarely, if ever, has had sex with his wife in the past ten years.* I think if you put yourself in his shoes, paying $1000 (she was middle-tier at the Emperor's Club) for some time with Ashley Dupre was incidental. It's like two good bottles of wine at high-end restaurant. I understand if his wife (a corporate lawyer) didn't raise an eyebrow at the expense, yet the federal government did....
Read this:
[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120536943121332151.html[/url]
* Yeah. She sure is a trooper for standing by a man who's likely to inherit tens of millions of dollars.
[quote=jelly donut]* yeah. she sure is a trooper for standing by a man who's likely to inherit tens of millions of dollars.[/quote]
she might just stand by him long enough to get her hands on his inheritance of tens of millions of $$$$. from her looks during his speech, it seemed she had not slept a lick in weeks.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]... anywhere you find a group of super-rich guys, you should also expect to find a group of women willing to sell sex for a super-rich price.[/QUOTE]
It's not that the women are willing to SELL sex for a super-rich price - it's that those sorts of men are willing to PAY a super-rich price for sex. Actually, most of them WANT to pay super-rich prices.
Interestingly, when I was working in a brothel, I used to offer $70 'quickie' specials during slow periods (the usual half hour price was $110 at the time). Rich guys working for big companies would flock in for a lunchtime shag and I always ended up making big bucks out of it. When I went private and was no longer splitting my takings with the house, I decided to offer the quickie special for $50. I barely got a phone call! I upped the rate to $70 and bingo...in they came. I asked why they weren't interested in a $50 special and they said it was just way too low - offering less than half price made it sound like I was desperate or had no self-respect. Some clients are convinced that higher prices = better service.
I reckon guys like Spitzer pay the big bucks not only to ensure discretion, but to massage their own egos. The arrogant gits probably get a degree of self-satisfaction just knowing they CAN have sex with 'high-priced call girls'...as opposed to the 'common man' who could never afford such a luxury. I guess there's also the question of what happens if they're unlucky enough to get caught. Better to be remembered for paying $1000 escorts (Like Spitzer and Charlie Sheen) than for getting a $20 blow job on the street (like Hugh Grant)!
Here is a short video summarizing Mr. Spitzer deed
funny.
[url]http://current.com/items/88868126_spitzer_blows_it[/url]
I read up more on Spitzer, his Dad is a real estate developer and his father's net worth is estimated at $500 Million US, Spitzer received about $15 million from his father over the past few years, so I guess he did not use public funds. The other thing was that he had unprotected sex with the 22 year old prostitute multiple times, the prostitute herself had sex with numerous other men. Who knows maybe he passed along an STD to his wife.
The prostitute's real name is Ashley DiPietro:
[url]http://www.exploretalent.com/model_page_pic.php?media_id=1905006&talentnum=898909&[/url]
She is 5'3" and is an aspiring rapper, she also has appeared in a rap video.
[QUOTE=George90]From what I read, Spitzer was transfering money from one account to another in succession. Apparently this is similar to what criminals do when they launder money. One of the banks involved noticed the pattern of transactions and notified the FBI. [/QUOTE]
Still sounds fishy. Imagine some bank employee.... and probably all they're doing is monitoring some automatic computer program designed to look for such patterns of activity. Now an account comes up.... a quick check reveals it belongs to the governor. What would YOU do.... assume it must be some kind of criminal activity?
I think most people would assume that Spitzer wasn't likely to be a terrorist. It sounds more like they had an excuse to go snooping (and a barely reasonable one at that!), so that's what they did. Not too far off from the secret police or Gestapo when the powers that be have such a free hand to snoop around in someone's personal affairs like this.
Back in the old days, the people who made this discovery would have either stayed quiet about it because it would have been seen as Spitzer's personal affair. Or they would have used it to get themselves a promotion of some kind. Nowadays it's like yeehaw, let's go get us a guv'ner!
Rock
ps. RN thanks for the explanation from your point of view. Male ego, hmmmm, as a cheapskate I don't want to believe.... but as a male I have to admit it makes sense. :D
Pretty easy to get caught these days because of wiretapping and computers. Spitzer was a putz to get involved with an escort in the first place, he busted an escort service as AG, so he kind of stuck his neck out making himself out to be some kind of moral crusader.
I have already started hearing chatter about Barack Obama, rumors that he is gay or has been a big time womanizer and dated mostly white women, the kind of stuff that would stir up the meat and potatoes of the Republican party. I don't know about any of that, but that is the way the Reps like to ruin the image of the Dems.
The USA is the world's top producer of porn, yet you can get the FBI on your ass for using an escort service, shows the moral double standard of our society.
The porn industry in the US is amazing in that it loves to recruit female porn stars of every ethnicity. The latest craze is about an Indian Canadian woman by the name of Sunny Leone. That and the collapsing Greenback have me convinced not to return to the US.
Since 9-11 the US has been monitoring the financial activities of Americans and anyone residing in the US, I recall the terrorists who flew planes into the WTC had US bank accounts.
Some edited excerpts from the link below[blue]
According to a survey the average "price" that men and women demand to marry for money these days is $1.5 million. The survey asked: "How willing are you to marry an average-looking person that you liked, if they had money?". Two-thirds of women and half of the men said they were "very" or "extremely" willing to marry for money. The matrimonial price tag varies by gender and age. Asked how much a potential spouse would need to have to be money-marriage material, women in their 20s said $2.5 million. The going rate fell to $1.1 million for women in their 30s, and rose again to $2.2 million for women in their 40s. Men have cheaper requirements. Their asking price overall was $1.2 million, with men in their 20s asking $1 million and men in their 40s asking $1.4 million.[/blue]
[url]http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119760031991928727-ia_8awyLoR2JpUspCCkn2GrHsSY_20080112.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top[/url]
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Pretty easy to get caught these days because of wiretapping and computers. Spitzer was a putz to get involved with an escort in the first place, he busted an escort service as AG, so he kind of stuck his neck out making himself out to be some kind of moral crusader.
I have already started hearing chatter about Barack Obama, rumors that he is gay or has been a big time womanizer and dated mostly white women, the kind of stuff that would stir up the meat and potatoes of the Republican party. I don't know about any of that, but that is the way the Reps like to ruin the image of the Dems.
The USA is the world's top producer of porn, yet you can get the FBI on your ass for using an escort service, shows the moral double standard of our society.
The porn industry in the US is amazing in that it loves to recruit female porn stars of every ethnicity. The latest craze is about an Indian Canadian woman by the name of Sunny Leone. That and the collapsing Greenback have me convinced not to return to the US.
Since 9-11 the US has been monitoring the financial activities of Americans and anyone residing in the US, I recall the terrorists who flew planes into the WTC had US bank accounts.[/QUOTE]
Nevermind that most of them are LIVING and not DEAD....
9/11 was a HOAX on all levels and the truth is slowly creeping out, of course what will happen is Bush, et al will get some type of "free" pass and the country will call for moving on.
I wanna leave really, but I have no idea what I would be doing and feel I have to go where they speak English on a regular basis, that means Scandinavia really because I don't like driving on the right side of the car...lol
The guy I spoke too in Stockholm has me concerned about pulling up roots and just going someplace...
So I was watching the news today and they had a blurb about young girls involved in some prostitution ring in Texas.
This sounded interesting enough, so I waited around to hear the rest of the story. Turns out the "leader" is only supposed to be 13 or 14 years old herself! Not only that, but she was getting other girls from her school involved in working for/with(?) her.
This would have been kind of shocking even if the story was coming from some other country. But to think that this was going on in Dallas..... hard to believe!
Should give Nancy Grace something to exploit for at least the next week. Oh well.
Rock
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]So I was watching the news today and they had a blurb about young girls involved in some prostitution ring in Texas.
This sounded interesting enough, so I waited around to hear the rest of the story. Turns out the "leader" is only supposed to be 13 or 14 years old herself! Not only that, but she was getting other girls from her school involved in working for/with(?) her.
This would have been kind of shocking even if the story was coming from some other country. But to think that this was going on in Dallas..... hard to believe!
Should give Nancy Grace something to exploit for at least the next week. Oh well.
Rock[/QUOTE]
The truth is that sex slave/forced prostitution is a big business in America. Of course the focus with the INS is on "brown" people.
Over in the Moldova thread, lots girls are getting shipped to the US for work, Ive been wondering where they have been going - ;)
Are you referring to illegals from Mexico and Latin American countries? The US could not run without them, almost all big and small businesses need their cheap labor to operate profitably. I am annoyed with all this racism against Hispanics, heck, I think if Muslims were blonde and blue haired, many of the ones I saw in Europe are actually white, there would be no problems with them either. Many Hispanics are white too.
Regardless to that, the USA is pretty much on its way down and the tide of history is turning. Record levels of debt, a crashing dollar, a crumbling credit system that has maybe another 5 to 10 years left, China and India's continual rise to the economic frontrunners of the planet, the US will be a third world country, but regardless the illegals will be the ones blamed for it even though it has been the fault of the selfish business elites in this country.
[quote=dj fourmoney]the truth is that sex slave/forced prostitution is a big business in america. of course the focus with the ins is on "brown" people.
[/quote]
believe it or not, it looked like they were all white girls. nobody mentioned anything about illegals or anything like that. the news story was giving the impression that they were all local girls from the same school. that's part of what made it so hard to believe.
there's been similar stories right here where i live in winnipeg. but it's always been native (indian) girls, and the person getting them involved has always been some adult.... never someone the same age.
question, how does one charge a 14 yr old girl for procuring other **** girls? i mean, she's **** herself. this is the crazy world we live in.
rock
back in the 90s there were some brothels in queens run by mexicans and with mostly mexican girls and everybody knew they used **** girls, which is why i never was a customer there. but there was no forced anything, those girls were 100% consenting to what they were doing, and moved about freely, lived at home, went to school etc.
Eliot Spitzer increased wiretapping and electronic surveillance of customers who used "discrete" escort services as AG and Governor, he also increased the maximum prison sentence from three months to one year. Now that it is a fact that he used prostitution services himself, do you think he is going to do some time? I seriously doubt it, even if his political career is over, the man is filthy rich and will probably work in the private sector. Its people like this who make me glad I do not live in the US anymore. There is a lot of dislike for Bush out there but Spitzer is complete hypocrite and largely representative of many American politicians who try to apply there morals on others.
CBGB,
that truly is the key word here. There are so many people who are "higher up" who tell us how opposed they are. But as soon as they think no one's watching.... off they go to see their favourite girls.
I've seen it so many times, where some MP or escort service gets taken down. The client lists ALWAYS include men in law enforcement, lawyers, school principals, civil service workers and all kinds of professionals.
Publicly, they say "no, no, no", but privately they all want in. And the women are, if anything, even worse than the men. So many get up on their high horse and try and dictate to us what our morals should be..... when the real reason is, they just hate having some competition.
But isn't a little competition supposed to be good for business? I guess not, especially if your business is getting guys to spend their $$$ on you.
It's nothing but hypocrisy and it's coming in fast and furious from all sides.
Rock
Law enforcement in the US are now also going after US citizens and Permanent Residents who go overseas to purchase sex. Obviously before that they were prosecuting people who went to places like Thailand who often engage in acts with minors, this is something I find disgusting and anyone who commits an act on a minor should be locked up forever. The issue I have is that the government really has no right to dictate what happens between two grown consenting adults, and the LE is now targeting Americans who go overseas in places where legal sex is very legit. We have it bad enough with local American women and need an outlet to escape, harassing people who go overseas in search of women is just too much.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Are you referring to illegals from Mexico and Latin American countries? The US could not run without them, almost all big and small businesses need their cheap labor to operate profitably. I am annoyed with all this racism against Hispanics, heck, I think if Muslims were blonde and blue haired, many of the ones I saw in Europe are actually white, there would be no problems with them either. Many Hispanics are white too.
Regardless to that, the USA is pretty much on its way down and the tide of history is turning. Record levels of debt, a crashing dollar, a crumbling credit system that has maybe another 5 to 10 years left, China and India's continual rise to the economic frontrunners of the planet, the US will be a third world country, but regardless the illegals will be the ones blamed for it even though it has been the fault of the selfish business elites in this country.[/QUOTE]
Well that's simplisic answer in a nutshell, of course the US could run without illegals.
But of course that would change the social status of alot of people.
Then again, if you made $20 a hour flipping burgers, mim wage was $12 and adjustable with inflation, there would be no need for illegals because even McDonald's employees could afford to rock a C class or 3 series Bimmer.
I honestly think those with college degrees get too much credit but those that have been in the armed forces are generally better adjusted to others because your life depends on the person next to you, so you better put your personal biases aside quickly.
College grads develop this elitest attitude that gets their blocks knocked off in nightclubs and other social events.
Their the ones that run out and try to sue you for every penny you got when it was their mouth over running their asses that got them bopped to begin with; take your beatdown like a man!
But I digress...
These problems can be solved, the problem is rich people don't give a shiet, a least until the rioting poor people start rioting in these gated communities and Black Water won't be able to save them...
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] The issue I have is that the government really has no right to dictate what happens between two grown consenting adults, and the LE is now targeting Americans who go overseas in places where legal sex is very legit.[/QUOTE]
So, I went searching around the internet, looking for something that would support what you are saying. I have not found anything.
Are you thinking of a specific case? If so, I would like to know what it is because I am under the impression it is not against US law to travel overseas and have sex with another adult.
[url]http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/index.html?query=prostitution[/url]
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]CBGB,
that truly is the key word here. There are so many people who are "higher up" who tell us how opposed they are. But as soon as they think no one's watching.... off they go to see their favourite girls.
I've seen it so many times, where some MP or escort service gets taken down. The client lists ALWAYS include men in law enforcement, lawyers, school principals, civil service workers and all kinds of professionals.
Publicly, they say "no, no, no", but privately they all want in. And the women are, if anything, even worse than the men. So many get up on their high horse and try and dictate to us what our morals should be..... when the real reason is, they just hate having some competition.
But isn't a little competition supposed to be good for business? I guess not, especially if your business is getting guys to spend their $$$ on you.
It's nothing but hypocrisy and it's coming in fast and furious from all sides.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Even so the whole Spitzer fiasco is mighty "fishy", there alot of interesting parallels to this and the Don Siegelman trumped up charges.
Here's hoping by summertime this whole thing will come crashing down around the ears of Dubya.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]CBGB,
that truly is the key word here. There are so many people who are "higher up" who tell us how opposed they are. But as soon as they think no one's watching.... off they go to see their favourite girls.
I've seen it so many times, where some MP or escort service gets taken down. The client lists ALWAYS include men in law enforcement, lawyers, school principals, civil service workers and all kinds of professionals.
[/QUOTE]
yes..it is a bunch of hipocrisy. most law enforcement guys (the same guys in vice that get caught) that get caught and convicted very seldom goes to jail. most get home confinement... they claim and cry to the judge that it is too dangerous for them to go into jail and serve their time... a bunch of "pus$y" in my book. they should have thought about that before they cross the line.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]So, I went searching around the internet, looking for something that would support what you are saying. I have not found anything.
Are you thinking of a specific case? If so, I would like to know what it is because I am under the impression it is not against US law to travel overseas and have sex with another adult.
[url]http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/index.html?query=prostitution[/url][/QUOTE]
I haven't made a search, but I do know that has been illegal for many years for Americans to go abroad to do something that is illegal in the US. The first such laws were passed inthe 60's and 70's and were aimed at US companies that were paying bribes to foreign poiliticans and foreign government officials. They were not being prosecuted in the foriegn countries, so the US made the behavior prosecutable here in the US.
I recently read in a newspaper that some politicians were trying to enact laws expanding those covering paid sex with minors abroad. They want it to cover ALL paid sex, including with adults.
AFAIK it was introduced by the Carter administration back in the 70s.
[QUOTE=George90]I recently read in a newspaper that some politicians were trying to enact laws expanding those covering paid sex with minors abroad. They want it to cover ALL paid sex, including with adults.[/QUOTE]
There was a discussion about this a couple of weeks ago in the 'Morality of Prostitution' thread, if anyone's interested.
[QUOTE=George90]I haven't made a search, but I do know that has been illegal for many years for Americans to go abroad to do something that is illegal in the US.[/QUOTE]
I can see what you are saying, and without knowing a lot about it, my guess is it is illegal to break federal laws outside of the United States. The thing is, prostitution is legal within parts of the United States. It's not generally a federal crime. Of course, there is a federal law against moving someone across state borders for the purpose of prostitution in the US - that is what is going down with the Spitzer case. But they could not charge him with hiring a pro, because that's not federal jurisdiction.
There was a discussion on one of the other threads regarding people getting harassed by authorities who go overseas for adult entertainment. In most places, this is hardly news. Where I live in Australia, its not uncommon for fellows to go to Indonesia or Thailand for fun, those two countries are particularly popular destinations though, a good number also go to Eastern Europe as well. From my experience though there seems to be no real issue traveling in and out of Oz, especially if you travel frequently. There was a US based monger who was worried that his repeated trips to Germany might have him suspiciously flagged as a sex tourist.
Farmer cuts tools in two for ex-wife
From correspondents in Belgrade
April 03, 2008 08:00pm
A SERB farmer used a grinding machine to cut in half his farm tools and machines to comply with a court ruling that he must share all his property with his ex-wife, local media reported today.
Branko Zivkov, 76, told Belgrade daily Kurir he had been ready to give his wife Vukadinka her equal share of everything earned during their 45-year marriage, but was furious at being asked to give away half his farming equipment.
Instead, he bought a grinder and cut in two all his tools, including large items such as cattle scales, a harrow and a sowing machine.
"I still haven't decided how to split the cow," he told the newspaper. "She should just say what she wants - the part with the horns or the part with the tail."
[quote=cbgbconnisur]there was a discussion on one of the other threads regarding people getting harassed by authorities who go overseas for adult entertainment. in most places, this is hardly news. where i live in australia, its not uncommon for fellows to go to indonesia or thailand for fun, those two countries are particularly popular destinations though, a good number also go to eastern europe as well. from my experience though there seems to be no real issue traveling in and out of oz, especially if you travel frequently. there was a us based monger who was worried that his repeated trips to germany might have him suspiciously flagged as a sex tourist.[/quote]
i have been to afghanistan, japan, philippines, south korea, thailand, uae, uzbekistan so far and the only country i have ever been detained in was my own. all because of multiple stamps in my passport that i have been to thailand in which i visit to see a dentist yeah i take in the festivities while there but still....they went through my lap top checked my camera the whole nine accused me of being a **** with no evidence. found my porn stash i had not seen in months forgot i had it. i hold us government employmee credentials. the whole scene had racial overtones. young black guy oozing with money for some reason i have found makes people uneasy. i was asked repeatedly how did i get my job then threatened with not being allowed into the country. i could tell the procedure went down hill when one of the officers asked me did my job pay well after he saw my almost filled up stamp pages. i responded well if it didn’t i wouldn't be able to travel. bad move i guess. got to love the usa. have not been back in two years. going back in three weeks.
[QUOTE=D Etat]I been to Afghanistan, Japan, Philippines, South Korea, Thailand, UAE, Uzbekistan so far and the only country I have ever been detained in was my own.
Young black guy oozing with money for some reason I have found makes people uneasy. I was asked repeatedly how did I get my job then threatened with not being allowed into the country. I could tell the procedure went down hill when one of the officers asked me did my job pay well I responded well if it didn’t I would be able to travel. Bad move I guess. Got to love the USA. Have not been back in two years. Going back in three weeks.[/QUOTE]
This is so sad, but true.
That was my point D Etat, you said you got detained after visiting Thailand multiple times when returning to the US, it has been posted numerous times that male visitors returning to the US and several other Western countries have been given secondary inspections from Thailand. If the Australian authorities were to do the same, many travel agencies in Australia would be put out of business. There was another US based poster who was worried about his numerous repeated trips to Germany.
Been following news on the polygamist community in Texas. I noticed that the women all looked healthy but there were no fat asses among them. They also seemed to be well spoken and modest.
Of course, they all had their kids taken away to be placed in foster homes by the State. Whether one agrees with polygamy or not you have to admit that this whole affair takes away any illusions about marriage being romantic. Marriage is a State institution and the State acted to further its interests. These kids will now be raised by "normal" American families on junk food, TV and video games. The nanny state always knows best. "Oh, those poor women were oppressed and brainwashed. They don't know what is best for them and their children." - feminists social workers talking.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Been following news on the polygamist community in Texas. I noticed that the women all looked healthy but there were no fat asses among them. They also seemed to be well spoken and modest.
Of course, they all had their kids taken away to be placed in foster homes by the State. Whether one agrees with polygamy or not you have to admit that this whole affair takes away any illusions about marriage being romantic. Marriage is a State institution and the State acted to further its interests. These kids will now be raised by "normal" American families on junk food, TV and video games. The nanny state always knows best. "Oh, those poor women were oppressed and brainwashed. They don't know what is best for them and their children." - feminists social workers talking.[/QUOTE]
True all that.. great report dude.
The Texas ranch cult is an exception, I doubt they were normal anyway. Normal in America is usually a bad thing anyway. I think I have pretty much brushed off American women the way some Supermodels have brushed off the American dollar(Gisele I hear ya!!).
I have lived overseas since 1999, almost ten years now, primarily spending most of my time in Oceania, and traveling all over. I go back the States occasionally but getting the same quality of woman in the USA that I have become accustomed to getting overseas, I would have to be a)Donald Trump or Bill Gates b)Brad Pitt c) Some Superstar Athlete Tom Brady or another bigshot. I am not any of those three, so I automatically find it hard as hell to find quality pussy in the US. I guess unless I can shell out 4k for some skank then the US might be worth it to spend my time.
I was looking at Fox News the other day and Dr Laura was giving some advice. Her advice really shocked me. A female called in saying that her husband had allowed her to leave her job for a few years to take care of the kids but now that the kids were in school he wanted her to go back to work in order to help out with the expenses. The problem was that the wife enjoyed being at home and did not want to go back to work because she felt that her husband was capable of earning enough money to maintain her and the children. Dr Laura told her to hold her husband's face in both hands, look into his eyes and tell him that she knows that he is capable of supporting the family and that her place is at home so she would not be going back to work. Dr Laura said that the husband should be perfectly alright with this because it is the man's job to support the family anyway. Do you think if it was the husband calling saying that his wife wouldn't fuck anymore so he was going to leave her or fuck someone else the doctor would be so understanding? How about the husband wanting to stay home because he loves fishing and hunting? He would be called a deadbeat husband. No pussy for him. If a wife doesn't want to fuck, the man must be understanding, patient and faithful even if it means never fucking for the rest of his life. Utter bullshit if you ask me.
Interesting read:
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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I was looking at Fox News the other day and Dr Laura was giving some advice. Her advice really shocked me. A female called in saying that her husband had allowed her to leave her job for a few years to take care of the kids but now that the kids were in school he wanted her to go back to work in order to help out with the expenses. The problem was that the wife enjoyed being at home and did not want to go back to work because she felt that her husband was capable of earning enough money to maintain her and the children. Dr Laura told her to hold her husband's face in both hands, look into his eyes and tell him that she knows that he is capable of supporting the family and that her place is at home so she would not be going back to work. Dr Laura said that the husband should be perfectly alright with this because it is the man's job to support the family anyway. Do you think if it was the husband calling saying that his wife wouldn't fuck anymore so he was going to leave her or fuck someone else the doctor would be so understanding? How about the husband wanting to stay home because he loves fishing and hunting? He would be called a deadbeat husband. No pussy for him. If a wife doesn't want to fuck, the man must be understanding, patient and faithful even if it means never fucking for the rest of his life. Utter bullshit if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Just amazing!
Please don't take anything that ultra-conservative judgmental crazy b**** takes seriously. And don't call her "Doctor" in her professional context. She has a "doctorate" in physiology and no advanced degree in medicine, psychology, marital/family therapy etc.
Just watch her unleash fury on anyone who dares have sex who is not married. She is definately part of the problem here in Sex Prison USA.
Dr. Laura is a hypocrite, a few years ago some nude photos of her showed up on the web. She apparently had sex with someone she was not married to, wow. The way things are in the US these days, I got no more interest in the country. I already see the last pillar of the US finally starting to slip, the economic supremacy that it once had. A surging Euro, a rising Asia, both places nowhere near as prudish as the US either.
I'm at a point in my life that if I don't find what I want here and the political system is not willing to work with the problems of the many and stop helping the few (excluding the poor in the process), I need to take a page out of CBGB book and live overseas.
It’s been almost two years since my Nike Air Forces Sneakers touched US soil. Today I started the journey home. Tried my luck with a lady on the flight from Dubai to Paris. No dice. New York is the first city I hit. Got to US customs hoping not to have a repeat of two years ago? Well this time I showed my US government employee card right away. Along with the passport. The guy then asked how did you get that job I just explained right connects and my ex-military experience didn’t hurt he seem amazed. A black sercurity lady told me "Welcome home" after looking at all the stamps in my port. I felt a moment of nostalgia as I looked at my fellow Americans. I mean I work with Americans but the guys I work with alcoholics, full time mongers, psycho's you get the picture? I consider these people the regular Americans. That look of innocence on their faces not having experienced the poverty of a third world country or the violence of Afghanistan….The journey home is just beginning will be updating daily.
[QUOTE=D Etat]It’s been almost two years since my Nike Air Forces Sneakers touched US soil. Today I started the journey home. Tried my luck with a lady on the flight from Dubai to Paris. No dice. New York is the first city I hit. Got to US customs hoping not to have a repeat of two years ago? Well this time I showed my US government employee card right away. Along with the passport. The guy then asked how did you get that job I just explained right connects and my ex-military experience didn’t hurt he seem amazed. A black sercurity lady told me "Welcome home" after looking at all the stamps in my port. I felt a moment of nostalgia as I looked at my fellow Americans. I mean I work with Americans but the guys I work with alcoholics, full time mongers, psycho's you get the picture? I consider these people the regular Americans. That look of innocence on their faces not having experienced the poverty of a third world country or the violence of Afghanistan….The journey home is just beginning will be updating daily.[/QUOTE]
D Etat welcome back to the land of AW leeches. Here's a letter from an AAW looking for prey.
[QUOTE]Hi my name is Dee I'm looking for a guy who can handle having a steady on going friendship. I don't want someone who runs from provider to streetwalker back to provider again. I'm looking for someone clean, fun, out going and have a very high sex drive. I would like someone who will be able to see me at least twice a week if not more.
I'm not looking for someone who wants to trade or wants credit I'm not wal mart or the dope man so I don't take shorts. I'm not being funny I just know what I want. You must be at least 28 or older open minded, freaky with stamina and willing to be aggressive at times. I suggest for our visits to be at least an hour to two hours long each time. I want at least 200 to 350 roses each time. I’m five feet three inches very pretty face nice brown skin tone with sexy juicy lips (top&bottom).
I have thick chocolate thighs and a cute booty too. I’m not a small lady (150 lbs) but I wear it very well my breast size is a very suck able 40DD. I’m very clean with no kids and I have no problem pleasing my special friend. I stay in a nice quite little area where we both will be comfortable and relaxed. Once we get to know each other I will come to your place until then you’ll come to me. If this is what you want send me an email we’ll talk then meet. I’m something like married so I can’t put my number or face on here. I promise you will be pleased with me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I want at least 200 to 350 roses each time. I’m something like married so I can’t put my number or face on here. I promise you will be pleased with me.[/QUOTE]
What is up with the [b]hundreds[/b] of roses??????? And if she really is married, how is she going to hide them from her husband?????
I hope her husband answers her ad! LOL!
The roses she wants is cash. She is a provider. At least the guy should know going in its only about the money.
AW can be found, and taken home, but it's too much of a headache to deal with afterwards. I've had some that were ok, but in LA (and I don't mean los angeles) I get true girlfriends that are 10 to 15 years younger than me and call me back in the states to tell me they miss me. And not once ask for money.
I love listening to the AW in my office complain. I let them complain and never explain the male point of view. I don't want them to really change or just become better actresses.
"Roses" are Dollars, its just one way of a prostitute to change her language.
[QUOTE=Paesano63]The roses she wants is cash. She is a provider. At least the guy should know going in its only about the money.[/QUOTE]
Of Course! Silly me! I have revealed how much mongering I do here in the US by showing how ignorant I am of the local provider lingo! LOL!
I am curious about how the current gasoline/oil situation is affecting mongering budgets. Mine has been shot to hell. The airline ticket prices, the gas prices, and the plummeting of the value of the US dollar are a perfect storm of anti-mongering factors for me. I will have no vacation this summer. My plan is to save for a trip over New Year's to visit a ladyfriend abroad. I will need 6 months to save up for it.
Here's another ad: AW looking to barter her "non GFE" Massage services(i.e. no FS) for a replacement windshield. I think a windshield replacement is going to cost a heck of a lot more $$$ than a massage only session. I'm quite positive some desperate monger will fall for this BS.
[QUOTE]Barter windshield replacement - w4m (Metro Atlanta)
I would like to barter an erotic bodyrub to get my windshield replaced on my car. I am a mature provider(Not GFE)with a petite frame,5'1",112 llbs,green eyes and medium wavy blonde hair. If you have a sincere interest in this possibility then please list some credential/s you have and give something verifiable of yourself of which you can afford to give me.
Thanks,
Kit[/QUOTE]
Just go to [url]www.nomarriage.com[/url] for all the information.
[QUOTE=Tarius Shinobi]Just go to [url]www.nomarriage.com[/url] for all the information.[/QUOTE]
The content on the above site appears to have been lifted and plagiarized, uncredited and unacknowledged, from other sites such as ISG. And then that content is used to hawk someone's book.
[QUOTE=Yogin]The content on the above site appears to have been lifted and plagiarized, uncredited and unacknowledged, from other sites such as ISG. And then that content is used to hawk someone's book.[/QUOTE]
Most American women have robbed themselves of the genuine opportunity to play the role of "girl" in society. They don't want to be "girls" anymore. It's almost a dirty word to call them one.
They insist on having all the rights and responsibilities of men. So much so that they in fact become men, some in deed. They lose the allure that attracts a sincere mate and instead can only evaluate the degree to which they can take advantage of a situation rather than contribute to the prosperity of a relationship. The assets of the man become the golden ring to which they now seem to aspire. Once their position is secured, they invoke the "Kings X" known (in California) as "irreconcilable differences" to get out of their marriage contract, taking with them 50% of the assets together with any support payments awarded them. Then they stat over again.
The American woman is dependent on the pussy wrench in order to get what she wants. Very few (if any) get anywhere because they are genuinely good people with their heart in the right place.
Latinas seem to appreciate the opportunity to focus on being "girls." Once their pressures and worries are removed from their every day life, they [i]naturally[/i] focus on being girls. The also focus on being wives, girlfriends or whatever their role is. They don't want to be men, they [b]want[/b] to be women. They [b]want[/b] to be beautiful. For them it is a [b]practice[/b] and they love doing it. They understand thier role, they are proud to play it and take pride in being good at it. They are respected because of it and (in my case) admired for being willing to assume that role.
Men, for their part, need to take responsiblity and do what they need to in order to let their girl be the best "girl" she can be. The results are predictable and are almost always welcomed. Just don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off!
Country John
[QUOTE=Yogin]The content on the above site appears to have been lifted and plagiarized, uncredited and unacknowledged, from other sites such as ISG. And then that content is used to hawk someone's book.[/QUOTE]
What's even funnier is that the shiet we write on here is not lifted from some book, its 100% Grade A, honest to goodness TRUTH.
When men in a crowd here you speak this way and nood in agreement, it doesn't have to be lifted from something....
it’s been two years since i hit the us and even longer since i actually attempted to court american women. (i was married for four years until i discovered that there was another side to the planet) so here i was in full swing. hit the mall with my young cousin who is national high school basketball star and child hood friend of mine who some how finds and fucks some the most beautiful black girls my city produces. i mean all of us are not bad looking guys and are doing pretty decent financially. at any rate most of the girls we encountered were fucking **** girls who acted and dressed older what we refer to as jail bait.
the rest of girls were average no dead knock outs. i played along when we saw a half decent girl and would yell damn or something like that to excite my cousin and friend but really what i thinking was the amount of frustration and energy that was being invested in trying to chase these women. i mean the clothes the expensive jewelry not really bought for you but only to impress these women. you are supposed to look decent no matter what but the time and energy?
responses i saw from my cousin and friend advances was either outright ignoration or angry faces to extremely silly responses such as faces been made. on the other side of the world it’s not hard to find a love for life or the night. people may say due to the economic situation but if you have ever been to the slums in american city you might think you were in a third world country.
i was excited when i first arrived in the states but after seeing what these guys go through just to get some pussy i was shocked and beside myself at the amount of effort. hell my playboy friend had settled down with half puerto rican half black who he said almost drove him mentally insane with her changing attitudes weight gain and overall erratic behavior going from being uninterested in sex to telling him he couldn’t go anywhere without her being there (what the fuck) and he had gave up all ladies for her until her brother stole his car and because of her he let it the guy go.
they were even about to get married but my friend loves cars classics hood classics (monte carlo grand nationals) and when his restored baby got stole by the psycho's brother that was the thing that rang his bell and woke him the fuck up. mine was when my ex asked me to leave my government job to come live in one of the most expensive parts in the country with no damn plan.
long ass post this is but after this experience probably be another couple of years before i come back. hate to stay away due to the family being here but that desperation i saw in too many of the guys eyes strolling the mall i don't have the fucking stomach for it....
dear philippines here i fucking come....
[quote=d etat]it’s been two years since i hit the us and even longer since i actually attempted to court american women. (i was married for four years until i discovered that there was another side to the planet) so here i was in full swing. hit the mall with my young cousin who is national high school basketball star and child hood friend of mine who some how finds and fucks some the most beautiful black girls my city produces. i mean all of us are not bad looking guys and are doing pretty decent financially. at any rate most of the girls we encountered were fucking **** girls who acted and dressed older what we refer to as jail bait.
the rest of girls were average no dead knock outs. i played along when we saw a half decent girl and would yell damn or something like that to excite my cousin and friend but really what i thinking was the amount of frustration and energy that was being invested in trying to chase these women. i mean the clothes the expensive jewelry not really bought for you but only to impress these women. you are supposed to look decent no matter what but the time and energy?
(tell me about it.....)
responses i saw from my cousin and friend advances was either outright ignoration or angry faces to extremely silly responses such as faces been made. on the other side of the world it’s not hard to find a love for life or the night. people may say due to the economic situation but if you have ever been to the slums in american city you might think you were in a third world country.
(yeah, i get those looks on a daily basis without even making any advances.)
(the chicks here in the slums got ipods, new cellphones every other month, chanel sunglasses, facebook profiles, and dudes hollerin at them giving them gigantic aw style entitlement attitudes.)
i was excited when i first arrived in the states but after seeing what these guys go through just to get some pussy i was shocked and beside myself at the amount of effort. hell my playboy friend had settled down with half puerto rican half black who he said almost drove him mentally insane with her changing attitudes weight gain and overall erratic behavior going from being uninterested in sex to telling him he couldn’t go anywhere without her being there (what the fuck) and he had gave up all ladies for her until her brother stole his car and because of her he let it the guy go.
(this post says alot... most places around the world the guy dictates the way its gonna be, not the other way around. and yes the effort doesn't justify the reward.)
they were even about to get married but my friend loves cars classics hood classics (monte carlo grand nationals) and when his restored baby got stole by the psycho's brother that was the thing that rang his bell and woke him the fuck up. mine was when my ex asked me to leave my government job to come live in one of the most expensive parts in the country with no damn plan.
long ass post this is but after this experience probably be another couple of years before i come back. hate to stay away due to the family being here but that desperation i saw in too many of the guys eyes strolling the mall i don't have the fucking stomach for it....
(im gonna have to wear shades from now on!)
dear philippines here i fucking come....[/quote] i really need to stow away in your luggage!
if you have a choice, go with the warts
if i could offer a young man one piece of sage advice, it would be this:
don't get married.
don't do it. come the divorce, as come it probably will, the courts will systematically shear you of your children, your house, and huge amounts of your income for twenty years. don't do it. it isn't worth it. nothing is.
my saying this usually brings, from women, cries that i'm an extremist or woman-hater. no. the problem is not women, but the courts. men can behave every bit as reprehensibly as women, though they go about it differently. but the judicial system, which is politicized to the gills, utterly favors women over men in divorce cases, without remorse, decency, or concern for children.
should you doubt this, read, before you pop the most foolish of questions, from courtship to courthouse by the divorce lawyer jed abraham.*
writes abraham, "if you're like most men, you're married, or you hope to marry some day. you think you deserve to live happily ever after, but if things don't work out that way, you'll get a civilized divorce and move on. you'll stay pals with your ex, and you'll see your kids as often as you want.
"you have no idea what you're getting into."
and you don't. not the faintest freaking clue.
a few facts from abraham:
"the odds are 50% that your marriage will end in divorce. the odds are 70% that your divorce will be filed by your wife. the odds are 80% that your wife will get custody of your children-plus child support, alimony, and/or a hefty chunk of your property."
that is how it is.
yes, i know: you don't think this applies to you. cup cake loves you. she would never behave in such a way. think again. you have no conception of the hatred that divorce engenders. men are callous; women are mean. when a family breaks up, when a life dreamed of disappears in flames and emotions go limbic, women are not the kinder sex, and certainly not the more rational. and cup cake will have the absolute upper hand, with the full power of the state to help her express her dissatisfaction with you.
abraham: "if your wages are not withheld and you fail to pay your child support, the state will garnish your pay, slap liens on your property, intercept your tax refunds, report you to credit agencies, discontinue your driver's license, suspend your professional and business permits, hold you in contempt of court, put your face on a wanted poster, throw you in jail, and deny you food stamps. but if your ex doesn't spend that very same support on the children, the state will do. . . nothing."
it gets worse. there is, for example, "imputed income." this means that your child support will be based not on what your children need, not on what you earn, but on what the court decides you could earn.
don't do it.
if you love cup cake, live with her. be kind to her. be loyal to her. she may be as nice as you think she is: many women are. buy her roses. just don't marry her, or have children with her. if the laws were even-handed, marriage would be an admirable institution. the laws aren't equal.
but it's the kids she'll use, should things get nasty, to tear your guts out. if you're sure that cup cake won't do this, you're crazy. true, she may not. not all women do, or not to the same degree. but you won't know until it's too late. and the courts will do anything she wants.
abraham: "your ex will warm to calling all the shots. she may cancel your visitation now and then. if she's truly mean-spirited, she'll go much further. under the cover of her court-appointed role as sole custodian, she'll systematically sever your relationship with the children. she'll badmouth you to them. she'll schedule their extracurricular activities during your visitation time. for good measure, she may accuse you of domestic violence and child abuse."
think "joint custody" is the answer? the courts won't enforce it. what are you going to do-sue mommy? the kids will hate you for it. do you believe in pre-nups? the courts ignore them. read abraham. it's all there.
then, says abraham, there's the killer: "more efficiently, your ex may simply move with the children to a distant community, with the law's acquiescence."
kids are the crunch, guys. they hurt. and she will know it, and use it. the courts will help her. at bottom, the position of the courts is that the children are her property, like furniture. judges don't care about you at all.
ever drive away from what used to be your home, with your daughter of four streaking across the parking lot, yelling, "daddy! daddy! please come back!"-and you can't?
ever have your little girl of four say, "daddy, can i get my birthday present early?"
"why, pumpkin?"
"well. . . after the divorce we might move, and i won't see you again."
that's what you are in for, guys. don't do it. you'll be suicidally depressed, miss your kids to the point of desperation, be almost frantic-and the courts will make sure you can do nothing about it. the ex will probably enjoy it.
that's the reality. don't believe it? talk to men who have been there.
why do women do these things? not because they're evil. cup cake is probably a perfectly decent woman in her dealing with the rest of the earth. she'll do it because she hates you, which is the normal outcome of a divorce. she'll do it because she can. she's furious because the marriage didn't work, which will be entirely your fault.
and the law gives her every incentive: she will get the house, the kids, the child support-and she knows she will. if women knew they had an even chance of not getting custody, of having to pay child support, the divorce rate would drop like a prom dress and joint custody would suddenly mean joint custody. women love their children as much as men do.
but that's not how it is. the courts encourage divorce, and they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] men. get used to it.
abraham: "the odds are it doesn't pay for you to marry and have kids."
that's a fact, guys. think about it.
fred on everything column:
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Some guys get western girls easy. Some say its because of money some say its because of looks I have seen guys prove both these false. After my return back to Asia from my brief stay it has weighed heavy on my mental. Just what is it? Is it the Pheromones? Just kidding with that but really? I know my future lies here in PI where I live but for the guys who are there there must be something.
[QUOTE=D Etat]Some guys get western girls easy. Some say its because of money some say its because of looks I have seen guys prove both these false. After my return back to Asia from my brief stay it has weighed heavy on my mental. Just what is it? Is it the Pheromones? Just kidding with that but really? I know my future lies here in PI where I live but for the guys who are there there must be something.[/QUOTE]
Some say it's easy if you're a thug, drug dealer or you can tolerate lots of rejection until you eventually get lucky.
If you're a professional musician, it helps :P
Just want do AW want?
If they are into Minorities -
Plug in your most famous Latin, Black or Asian "hunk" and visually that's where they start.
If they are into Caucasians -
Plug in your flavor of the month, whatever that is and that's where they start visually
From there they start with themselves, a reality check.
Then its up to YOU to prove that just because they'll never meet (insert famous person here) that you'll do in the long term or the very short term.
Then a bunch of sudjective bullshiet comes up, I won't even bother listing it all...
After living in Asia & visiting Africa, Australia & Europe, I have no desire for American women. Heck, men from other countries don't want AW unless it's for sex only ! But American men can go almost anywhere in the world & get a sexy, beautiful woman who will be in your corner. All my friends in America that are married, or living with AW are totally miserable.
When I am in the U.S. , I visit clubs & I see AW acting all stuck up. I just laugh ! because I don't have to waste my time trying to get with them because I have lady friends in Hong Kong, Singapore & Thailand!
Damn I love Asia!
i don't have the link to the article i read yesterday. it was about a married woman who was having an affair. her husband caught them 'al fragranti'. she told her husband that this man was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] her. chivalrous protective husband that he is, he promptly protected his vulnerable helpless wife by shooting the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] dead. he got arrested for murder.
during the investigation the police detectives discovered that the '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]' was not in fact a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. he was the woman's extra-marital lover. she cried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] to hide the fact of her infidelity. the prosecutor dropped all charges against the husband and charged the wife with manslaughter. on friday, she was found guilty, and sentenced to 6 years in prison (i think).
i think that is some story. i could not have made up something like that. i wonder if the prosecutor was a man or woman. do you think a woman prosecutor, as opposed to a man prosecutor, would have let her off?
[quote=george90]i don't have the link to the article i read yesterday. it was about a married woman who was having an affair. her husband caught them 'al fragranti'. she told her husband that this man was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] her. chivalrous protective husband that he is, he promptly protected his vulnerable helpless wife by shooting the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] dead. he got arrested for murder.
during the investigation the police detectives discovered that the '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]' was not in fact a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. he was the woman's extra-marital lover. she cried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] to hide the fact of her infidelity. the prosecutor dropped all charges against the husband and charged the wife with manslaughter. on friday, she was found guilty, and sentenced to 6 years in prison (i think).
i think that is some story. i could not have made up something like that. i wonder if the prosecutor was a man or woman. do you think a woman prosecutor, as opposed to a man prosecutor, would have let her off?[/quote]
here is the link:
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24441428/[/url]
It doesn't surprise me about that woman who lied about her affair.
The U. S. Legal system shows high favor to AW. If you marry an AW, signing that marriage license is like signing a "Faustian" contract with the Devil.
Your AW wife will take your money, your kids, your home & then your soul!
Also, I find it ironic that in American churches, there are more women who attend church than men; & at the same time, the divorce rate in the U. S. Is between 50 & 70%.
What are these women praying for? That's a **Dark Secret** that many women will take with them into purgatory.
Ever since I have stopped dating AW, my sex & social life has improved "Big Time". Even if you take into consideration the following:
1. The lowest ratio that women out number men 7 to 1.
2. There are 7 continents in the world.
3. Even if you exclude North America, You have Asia, Africa, South America, Europe, Australia & Antarctica (Greenland give or take), you still come out ahead if you venture outside of the U. S.
Gentlemen, don't limit yourself! Work hard, make money & travel. **Foreign Pussy** is the best Pussy! If you go AW, you will go down. Just like the value of the U. S. Dollar.
[quote=george90]i don't have the link to the article i read yesterday. it was about a married woman who was having an affair. her husband caught them 'al fragranti'. she told her husband that this man was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] her. chivalrous protective husband that he is, he promptly protected his vulnerable helpless wife by shooting the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] dead. he got arrested for murder.
during the investigation the police detectives discovered that the '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]' was not in fact a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. he was the woman's extra-marital lover. she cried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] to hide the fact of her infidelity. the prosecutor dropped all charges against the husband and charged the wife with manslaughter. on friday, she was found guilty, and sentenced to 6 years in prison (i think).
i think that is some story. i could not have made up something like that. i wonder if the prosecutor was a man or woman. do you think a woman prosecutor, as opposed to a man prosecutor, would have let her off?[/quote]
and muthafuckers think where crazy chasing women half way around the world??
aw are seldom caught and when they are, they get murdered too...
[quote=george90]i don't have the link to the article i read yesterday. it was about a married woman who was having an affair. her husband caught them 'al fragranti'. she told her husband that this man was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] her. chivalrous protective husband that he is, he promptly protected his vulnerable helpless wife by shooting the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url] dead. he got arrested for murder.
during the investigation the police detectives discovered that the '[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]' was not in fact a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url]. he was the woman's extra-marital lover. she cried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] to hide the fact of her infidelity. the prosecutor dropped all charges against the husband and charged the wife with manslaughter. on friday, she was found guilty, and sentenced to 6 years in prison (i think).
i think that is some story. i could not have made up something like that. i wonder if the prosecutor was a man or woman. do you think a woman prosecutor, as opposed to a man prosecutor, would have let her off?[/quote]they had the chance to sentence her anywhere between 2 to 20 years and they gave her 6. with good behavior she is out in four. damn! they should have sentenced heavily on that one.
A lot of Australians complain about their women but frankly speaking, I have lived there for nearly a decade, Aussie women are nowhere near as horrible as American women. Unlike the US, in most parts of Australia with few areas that are more conservative, P4P is easily found especially around Sydney and Melbourne. The lifestyle in Australia is more relaxed in that many Australians travel abroad frequently unlike the US which is more insular and international travel is either frowned upon or only for the very well to do or rich. Immigration is nowhere near as tight, so its possible to bring in a spouse from abroad, and the process is nowhere near as horrible as dealing with Homeland Security in the US. That is another point as Oz has taken a large number of immigrants since the US has become a closed door for them since 2001, I have seen a lot of newcomers, women especially from Asia and Europe in Australia.
Gentlemen, we have the entertainment industry to thank for showing the rest of the world how American women are on TV & on film:
1. Desperate Housewives ( Aargh )
2. Sex & the City ( 4 Ballbusting bitches in NY)
3. Baywatch ( The ladies were looking good in their red swimsuits, but really- Pam Anderson went from Tommy Lee to Kid Rock, to Hep-C, to marrying some guy, who she is now divorcing. )
4. Girlfriends ( The Black Female version of Sex & the City.......4 shallow women with no clue how to properly treat a man )
5. The Leading Actresses on all 3 CSI shows. ( Give an AW a badge, and the bitches suddenly becomes Wonder Woman ! )
6. Waiting to Exhale & How Stella Got Her Groove Back ( The author of the books, Terry McMillin's husband told her he was gay & then left her. Now she is a bitter ass ***** )
7. All the realty show bitches ! Too many to name, but they can all go to hell !
I am sure glad that I travel alot !
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I have not dated an AW for years. I'm off to LA one week a month.
I hear the AW in my office complain about their men, and once the kids are grown and the divorced AW can't extract anymore child support then they really get bitter because the free money is gone.
Gentlemen, save your money and travell. If add up the money spent on dating, courting, marrying, and divorcing. It's simply way more expensive than taking some vacations every few months. And the only baggage you have when you return is your suitcase.
[QUOTE=Country John]Most American women have robbed themselves of the genuine opportunity to play the role of "girl" in society. They don't want to be "girls" anymore. It's almost a dirty word to call them one.
They insist on having all the rights and responsibilities of men. So much so that they in fact become men, some in deed. They lose the allure that attracts a sincere mate and instead can only evaluate the degree to which they can take advantage of a situation rather than contribute to the prosperity of a relationship. The assets of the man become the golden ring to which they now seem to aspire. Once their position is secured, they invoke the "Kings X" known (in California) as "irreconcilable differences" to get out of their marriage contract, taking with them 50% of the assets together with any support payments awarded them. Then they stat over again.
The American woman is dependent on the pussy wrench in order to get what she wants. Very few (if any) get anywhere because they are genuinely good people with their heart in the right place.
Latinas seem to appreciate the opportunity to focus on being "girls." Once their pressures and worries are removed from their every day life, they [i]naturally[/i] focus on being girls. The also focus on being wives, girlfriends or whatever their role is. They don't want to be men, they [b]want[/b] to be women. They [b]want[/b] to be beautiful. For them it is a [b]practice[/b] and they love doing it. They understand thier role, they are proud to play it and take pride in being good at it. They are respected because of it and (in my case) admired for being willing to assume that role.
Men, for their part, need to take responsiblity and do what they need to in order to let their girl be the best "girl" she can be. The results are predictable and are almost always welcomed. Just don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off!
Country John[/QUOTE]
QFT on so many levels
Don't you guys think that American women resistance to be taken easy goes toward their worth to society and worth to themselves. Where I live in the Philippines to many women just give themselves way to easy.
Greetings everyone!
From what I believe, women serve four roles in society.
1) Sex
2) Feed her man food
3) Take care of the house
4) Take care of the kids
If they can't do the above, why put up with any of the
crap regardless of what country they come from?
[QUOTE=D Etat]Don't you guys think that American women resistance to be taken easy goes toward their worth to society and worth to themselves. Where I live in the Philippines to many women just give themselves way to easy.[/QUOTE]Why not come down to the good ole U.S. of A and try marrying an American woman and she what HELL you'll go through.
british actor john cleese (68) recently divorced from his 3rd american wife(63), a psychotherapist.
also, his ex wife claims that she is broke & now he has to pay her about $150,000 a month in alimony.
john cleese said that paying her the money is worth every penny, because he is now rid of her. but c'mon, no woman's pussy, regardless of her age is worth $150,000.
final score: aw-3,john cleese-0
More powerful American men bowed down to the "Power of the Pussy" American style:
1. We all know about former NY Governor, Elliot Spitzer and his call girl fiasco which lead to his resignation from office. ( She was in a "Girl's Gone Wild" video & has a myspace page to promote her awful music!)
2. Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's false statements regarding his sexy text messages to his former chief of staff Christine Beatty has led to his forth coming removal from office. ( And she isn't even hot!)
3. Ohio Attorney General Marc Dunn resigned due to sexual harassment alligations & an extramarital affair.
What the fuck?
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Why not come down to the good ole U.S. of A and try marrying an American woman and she what HELL you'll go through.[/QUOTE]
I was married to an American woman for four years. She was arrogant, controlling, stubborn, selfish and cold. You know what though she pulled her own weight never asked me for a dime during marriage. We spilt everything 50-50. Only during our divorce she got kind of ugly but so did I thats what divorces do. She then begged off and didn't get any money even though from time to time she asks knowing what type of money I am making. I simply refuse and go on with my life.
Guys I am not defending American women but in Asia some guys think its a paradise and its not. The women there need money simple as that and they don't care who provides it. Most American women I know pulled their own weight that whats creates the choosiness that guys fear? That goes a long way with me rather then a woman being a domestic house cleaning currency vacuum.
Christine Beatty is a fine piece of ass, Mayor Kirkpatrick I don't blame him if he could not resist. I live in a country where the leader is known to take foreign dignitaries out to strip clubs, Australia.
Asian women are easy depending upon where they come from, I agree Asia is no paradise, you need to take an Immodium with everything you eat or drink(not in Japan or Singapore where cleanliness is comparable to Western nations). I am afraid to drink water in most places over there, and prefer just to have a Coke. I have heard of guys going to Asia for fun and then winding up in prison.
[quote=tarius shinobi]british actor john cleese (68) recently divorced from his 3rd american wife(63), a psychotherapist.
also, his ex wife claims that she is broke & now he has to pay her about $150,000 a month in alimony.
john cleese said that paying her the money is worth every penny, because he is now rid of her. but c'mon, no woman's pussy, regardless of her age is worth $150,000.
final score: aw-3,john cleese-0[/quote]
it's not her pussy that cleese says is worth $150k/month, it's her absence that's worth it. which is a much more plausible justification.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Christine Beatty is a fine piece of ass, Mayor Kirkpatrick I don't blame him if he could not resist. I live in a country where the leader is known to take foreign dignitaries out to strip clubs, Australia.
Asian women are easy depending upon where they come from, I agree Asia is no paradise, you need to take an Immodium with everything you eat or drink(not in Japan or Singapore where cleanliness is comparable to Western nations). I am afraid to drink water in most places over there, and prefer just to have a Coke. I have heard of guys going to Asia for fun and then winding up in prison.[/QUOTE]I agree with that. I would never look at Asia as being an alternate as far as looking for a wife. When I lived in Asia, I had my share of women who later turned out to be " Evil Dragon Ladyz"! I had & still have fun with women regardless where I am in the world, including North America.
However, as far as marriage in concerned: Forget it!
[QUOTE=Member #2041]It's not her pussy that Cleese says is worth $150K/month, it's her absence that's worth it. Which is a much more plausible justification.[/QUOTE]Never the less, regardless of the case, that amount of money is way too much. The western court system favors women ! Fuck all that!
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur] I have heard of guys going to Asia for fun and then winding up in prison.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to hear more.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]It's not her pussy that Cleese says is worth $150K/month, it's her absence that's worth it. Which is a much more plausible justification.[/QUOTE]
I just have a friend that got hit for over $10M USD. Half of the money in his 401K, the house and other assets. Then the ***** also wanted alimony. She up until ten years ago was with a high profile company earning $200K+ per year. Post Grad degree from an ivy league school ....etc..etc..etc..
but now she does not want to work anymore... fu$king greedy bit#h. This shit is the only thing i not thinking about divorce. I do not want to be poorer than the homeless guy that you see on the street.
When i get tired of the nagging... i always have a business trip abroad... so that i do not have to hear the constant nagging. I do travel to asia, but you still need to worry about hooking up with another greedy bit#h. I have a formula that seems to be working. I usually hookup with MILF or lonely horny housewife. Through the years I have found an abundant supply of MILF. I currently have quite a few that i hookup with. when i get tired of them, i just find an excuse to dump and look for newer or different ones.
As for their hubby or boyfriends... i usually get a recent pics of their signif. other so that i will know or figure out if someone is tailing me.
[QUOTE=Bnlee2] I have a formula that seems to be working. I usually hookup with MILF or lonely horny housewife. Through the years I have found an abundant supply of MILF. I currently have quite a few that i hookup with. when i get tired of them, i just find an excuse to dump and look for newer or different ones. [/QUOTE]
I follow the same formula and it WORKS!!! I don't hook up with just any MILF, it has to be an MILF who was a stunner in her younger days.
d etat,
perhaps, your divorce was not typical of the usual ass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] meted out to the average american man because:
1. your marriage was of a relatively short duration.
2. your wife probably worked or had her own source of income.
3. most importantly, your wife may not have borne you any offspring. children = leverage big time, if she didn’t have any then her ability to financially [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you was severely circumscribed.
4. maybe she wasn’t smart enough to get a real hardcore ass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] divorce lawyer or she thought that better prospects were already lined up.
also, i’m not in agreement that most american women pull their weight financially. most american women bring huge amounts of debt into the marriage and tend to be more of a financial liability than anything else. even the educated ones with good jobs tend to quit and never return to work after having kids. women tend to marry to men who make more money than they do, so in most cases the deal is not favorable to the man from the start. however, i do agree that women in asia, the world over for that matter, want money and many don’t care who provides it.
i don’t think most guys fear the choosiness but rather the ruthless greed and spitefulness that comes at the end of “love” with aw. i’m sure that the stupid little games they like to play sometimes makes guys reluctant to approach them too. american women’s choosiness has little to do with their supposed independence. in fact, this choosiness stems from the historical roots of this country. when america was colonized by the europeans there wasn’t a whole lot of european pussy to go around and rooting the savages wasn’t exactly popular. white pussy was pretty worth its weight in gold and cat houses were a booming business in the new world. there are documented cases of married men arriving with their wives in gold rush towns only have the little ladies take off with some prospector who hit the mother lode or taking up residence in the local cat house where their wares brought in a lot of gold dust. the scarcity of pussy when this nation was founded influences attitudes towards it today. why do you think women quickly moved to have legislation enacted that regulates the importation of foreign pussy to these shores? american women are no less cash vacuums than foreign women except that they demand more cash because no currency advantage exists in the domestic market. american men are simply beginning to do what american corporations have been doing for years when they no longer want to pay what laborers at home demand. they are peddling their cocks offshore in more favorable markets.
[quote=d etat]i was married to an american woman for four years. she was arrogant, controlling, stubborn, selfish and cold. you know what though she pulled her own weight never asked me for a dime during marriage. we spilt everything 50-50. only during our divorce she got kind of ugly but so did i thats what divorces do. she then begged off and didn't get any money even though from time to time she asks knowing what type of money i am making. i simply refuse and go on with my life.
guys i am not defending american women but in asia some guys think its a paradise and its not. the women there need money simple as that and they don't care who provides it. most american women i know pulled their own weight that whats creates the choosiness that guys fear? that goes a long way with me rather then a woman being a domestic house cleaning currency vacuum.[/quote]
I saw a news segment about AW who go to the caribbean for sex with the locals. I use to fuck this AW who went to Jamaica for that purpose.
When she came back she tried to rub it in my face. I didn't care anyway.
After I stopped seeing her, I called her months later. From Singapore.
[QUOTE=Tarius Shinobi]I saw a news segment about AW who go to the caribbean for sex with the locals. I use to fuck this AW who went to Jamaica for that purpose.
When she came back she tried to rub it in my face. I didn't care anyway.
After I stopped seeing her, I called her months later. From Singapore.[/QUOTE]They go to Jamaica. Usually to some of the high end resorts.
Grand Lido Resorts and others like that.
[quote=chocha monger]d etat,
perhaps, your divorce was not typical of the usual ass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] meted out to the average american man because:
1. your marriage was of a relatively short duration.
2. your wife probably worked or had her own source of income.
3. most importantly, your wife may not have borne you any offspring. children = leverage big time, if she didn’t have any then her ability to financially [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you was severely circumscribed.
4. maybe she wasn’t smart enough to get a real hardcore ass [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] divorce lawyer or she thought that better prospects were already lined up.[/quote]
nope didn't have any kids. she asked for money but i refused and told her we could battle for it in court but i had more money and therefore could afford the better lawyer. she begged off. we were both indebt until i landed my dream job and wiped our slates clean but she seemed to forget about that and wanted me to somehow make up for money she spent on the marriage as if i didn't spend any also. she is and was a cop during the process.
[quote=chocha monger]also, i’m not in agreement that most american women pull their weight financially. most american women bring huge amounts of debt into the marriage and tend to be more of a financial liability than anything else. even the educated ones with good jobs tend to quit and never return to work after having kids. women tend to marry to men who make more money than they do, so in most cases the deal is not favorable to the man from the start. however, i do agree that women in asia, the world over for that matter, want money and many don’t care who provides it.
i don’t think most guys fear the choosiness but rather the ruthless greed and spitefulness that comes at the end of “love” with aw. i’m sure that the stupid little games they like to play sometimes makes guys reluctant to approach them too. american women’s choosiness has little to do with their supposed independence. in fact, this choosiness stems from the historical roots of this country. why do you think women quickly moved to have legislation enacted that regulates the importation of foreign pussy to these shores? american women are no less cash vacuums than foreign women except that they demand more cash because no currency advantage exists in the domestic market. american men are simply beginning to do what american corporations have been doing for years when they no longer want to pay what laborers at home demand. they are peddling their cocks offshore in more favorable markets.[/quote]
great points but its way to easy to get laid in asia for all the wrong reasons. not complaining :) just pointing out. second thing is i have been around all type of foreign women the bar girls to the professionals and though the name changes the game remains the same. some jobless local cat will fuck them for nothing and treat them like shit. when the foreigner comes along now its i want to get married and have big house what the fuck? most american girls i was with was just looking for a good time.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I'd like to hear more.[/QUOTE]
Some people get the idea because they are a Westerner in a third world country that gives them the right to do whatever they want. A lot of guys get caught up in drugs or other underworld activities. Its a good idea to keep away from those elements in Asia, as you could wind up in the local 'Hilton' for life. Although p4p is out in the open and legal in most of Asia, drugs are not. In Singapore, its an automatic trip to the gallows if you are caught, this in a country where prostitutes knock on your door if you want sex.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Some people get the idea because they are a Westerner in a third world country that gives them the right to do whatever they want. A lot of guys get caught up in drugs or other underworld activities. Its a good idea to keep away from those elements in Asia, as you could wind up in the local 'Hilton' for life. Although p4p is out in the open and legal in most of Asia, drugs are not. In Singapore, its an automatic trip to the gallows if you are caught, this in a country where prostitutes knock on your door if you want sex.[/QUOTE]You are right, prostitution is legal in Singapore. When I lived there, I use to get massages. Happy endings are the norm.
And even though many of the women in Singapore are independent, they are horny as hell. I love that place.
No to drugs, yes to xxx !
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Does this Lynda Wheeler hog look like she's been going hungry? Later on the article claims that "potato chips and cookies are cheaper than healthy food." Cheaper per what? Kilogram? Or gram of protein? Or what? What a crock of shit.
Ooooink.
[QUOTE=D Etat]
Great points but its way to easy to get laid in Asia for all the wrong reasons. Not complaining :) just pointing out. [/QUOTE]
And what, pray tell, would be a "wrong reason" to get laid? I don't understand.
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]they go to Jamaica. usually to some of the high end resorts.
Grand Lido Resorts and others like that.[/QUOTE]Or Kenya as it seems.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126[/url]
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]I just have a friend that got hit for over $10M USD. Half of the money in his 401K, the house and other assets.[/QUOTE]This brings up a very important question to gents with a lot (of money) to loose in a divorce:
IS ANOTHER MAN LIVING OFF OF YOUR CHARITY?
Think about it. If a woman hits you up for child support, is it safe to assume that the next guy she hooks up with (who pretends to play "daddy" to your kid) is reaping the benefits?
Take P Diddy for instance. His "baby momma" continues to usher his ass back into court demanding more increases in child support payments? Why? The little knuckle-head kid isn't even old enough to be needing too much at this point in his life!
But I guarantee you that there is some unemployed Rico Suave type guy lounging around on his baby momma's couch (that Diddy's child support payed for) pumping up her head and telling her that she need to hit him up for more child support because:
A) P Diddy's got lots of money (about 350 million+). Rico Suave: "It aint going to hurt him to break you off a few more dollars. That's bread crumbs to him!"
B) Rico Suave: "You deserves it baby."
P Diddy is ordered by the courts to un-ass more of his cash to baby momma. Rico Suave wins. Books a flight to the Caribbean for the two of them to celebrate...with her money.
Opinions please!
[QUOTE=SavePros321]This brings up a very important question to gents with a lot (of money) to loose in a divorce:
IS ANOTHER MAN LIVING OFF OF YOUR CHARITY?
Think about it. If a woman hits you up for child support, is it safe to assume that the next guy she hooks up with (who pretends to play "daddy" to your kid) is reaping the benefits?
Take P Diddy for instance. His "baby momma" continues to usher his ass back into court demanding more increases in child support payments? Why? The little knuckle-head kid isn't even old enough to be needing too much at this point in his life!
But I guarantee you that there is some unemployed Rico Suave type guy lounging around on his baby momma's couch (that Diddy's child support payed for) pumping up her head and telling her that she need to hit him up for more child support because:
A) P Diddy's got lots of money (about 350 million+). Rico Suave: "It aint going to hurt him to break you off a few more dollars. That's bread crumbs to him!"
B) Rico Suave: "You deserves it baby."
P Diddy is ordered by the courts to un-ass more of his cash to baby momma. Rico Suave wins. Books a flight to the Caribbean for the two of them to celebrate...with her money.
Opinions please![/QUOTE]
Sounds quite normal to me, but if you have seen who Diddy's been bangin lately I don't think I would care about a few more thousand...
The Canadian hottie is three or four steps ABOVE Kim Potter...
[QUOTE=Dickhead]And what, pray tell, would be a "wrong reason" to get laid? I don't understand.[/QUOTE]Man If you have hung around Asia you would.
I actually applaud the women who travel for p4p. They're just playing the same game! In fact I think jackson should start a forum for single women traveling for p4p.
[QUOTE=SavePros321]Or Kenya as it seems.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dickhead][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24670991/[/url]
Does this Lynda Wheeler hog look like she's been going hungry? Later on the article claims that "potato chips and cookies are cheaper than healthy food." Cheaper per what? Kilogram? Or gram of protein? Or what? What a crock of shit.
Ooooink.[/QUOTE]
She looks pretty well fed to me... actually she looks over-fed. I couldn't help but notice the large bag of charcoal briquettes in the shopping cart. It seems like she must be grilling a whole lot of meat. The picture does a lot better at telling the true story than the article does.
Another point is that she has a 1 yr old child in addition to the 3 yr old. Just when did this sow figure out she couldn't afford to feed children? Perhaps, she really doesn't care because she feels that it's the tax-payers' job to feed her and her offspring. I'm sorry but Lynda Wheeler is just another deadbeat living off the rest of us by taking advantage of the system.
[QUOTE=SavePros321]Or Kenya as it seems.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126[/url][/QUOTE]I do not see anything wrong with that. Like the old saying" what is good for the goose is good for the gander".
[QUOTE=SavePros321]Or Kenya as it seems.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2638979720071126[/url][/QUOTE]
Very interesting article. I also say more power to those 'cougars'.
What I don't like is the hypocrisy of persecuting and prosecuting men for paying for the company of young adult women, but Western women get to celebrate their 'freedom' and 'equality with men' when they get their groove back with young adult men.
And, since you can't buy charcoal briquettes with food stamps, Lynda can't really be broke either. Maybe she figures the more kids she has, the more food stamps she would get (which is true, of course).
I got food stamps in my misspent youth. But I am Irish and not too smart. The first time, I got $200 worth of food stamps and it cost me $150 just to mail the watermelon.
But the chica with the two kids, 1 and 3, is not Lynda, the one in the picture. That is Danielle. Probably they did not take her picture because they did not have a wide-angle lens.
[QUOTE=George90]Very interesting article. I also say more power to those 'cougars'.
What I don't like is the hypocrisy of persecuting and prosecuting men for paying for the company of young adult women, but Western women get to celebrate their 'freedom' and 'equality with men' when they get their groove back with young adult men.[/QUOTE]
According to the article a "social arrangement" has been made. I know a girl who goes to jamaica for the same reason but refuses to admit what she is doing. She tells me these are friends of hers and she helps them out....meanwhile when a big hurricane struck kingston last year she was left alone in her hotel. I'm hoping that was a wake up call.
I think the whole situation with western culture is sad. Rich educated people with more than a pound of flour and a decent place to stay can't find love amongst themselves. It's depressing. With all the progress we've made we deny ourselves one of the most beautiful things in life...human contact. Our lives are too complicated.
I'm sure these women would be able to find the same thing in their own country. I for one would bone a big assed middle age women but then she wouldn't get the control of power with me.
We are such a complicated animal. I would love to hear the conversations that go on between male/female hookers in private.
Great read thanks.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]According to the article a "social arrangement" has been made. I know a girl who goes to jamaica for the same reason but refuses to admit what she is doing. She tells me these are friends of hers and she helps them out....meanwhile when a big hurricane struck kingston last year she was left alone in her hotel. I'm hoping that was a wake up call.[/QUOTE]Alone in a hotel room when the hurricane struck. I do not think so. She was probably banging away. Paying for a day of his service and getting a few days in return. She was probably experiencing multiple bliss.
When I travel to other countries & I see AW, or other "Western Women", I make it my mission not to acknowledge their presence. The last woman that I want to see abroad is westerner who thinks her shit does not stink!
I have mot dated an AW in years & it sure feels good!
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]I do not see anything wrong with that. like the old saying" what is good for the goose is good for the gander".[/QUOTE]
It seems like the guys are getting a raw deal. I mean a shirt and dinner in return for barebacking a 64 yr old woman, DATY and BFE included?
Just read this article on CNN. Just another reason for the demise of American women. I think having her rot in prison is just too nice of a punishment for this AW. Killing her husband by pouring acid over him while he is alive is unreal. I think the proper punishment would be an old torture method by the Romans' by tieing each of her limbs to a different horse and have her quarter to death as the horses goes in different direction.
I have read that during the Crotian and Serbian wars those guys have some very crazy ways of killing their enemies, from killing them slowly by stabbing non vital organs to slowly roasting them to death. I vote she should die slowly and horribly as she has done to her husband. Going to prison without possibility of parole is just unjust for a crazy biatch like her.
[quote]FRESNO, California (AP) -- A biochemist was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole Friday for killing her estranged husband by knocking him out and stuffing him into a vat of acid, possibly while he was still alive.
Larissa Schuster was convicted in December of murdering Timothy Schuster with the special circumstance that the murder was committed for financial gain. At the time of his death in July 2003, the Schusters were in the middle of a divorce after nearly 20 years of marriage.
Just days after Timothy Schuster was reported missing, his half-dissolved remains -- intact from only the belt buckle down -- were found inside a 55-gallon barrel concealed in a storage unit his wife had rented.
Kristin Schuster, the couple's adult daughter, told the judge that she felt safer knowing her mother would be behind bars.
"I've been living for five years not knowing if I would have to worry for my own safety," she said. "In your quest to become a dominating power freak, you became your own demon. You have hurt me for so many years and probably smiled inside, but look who's smiling now."
At the sentencing hearing for the 47-year-old Schuster, the judge also rejected her attorney's motion for a new trial.
Prosecutors said Schuster and her former lab assistant, James Fagone, first immobilized Timothy Schuster with a stun gun and a chloroform-soaked rag. Then they bound his hands and feet, dumped his body headfirst into a barrel while he was still breathing and poured hydrochloric acid on him.
Fagone has already been sentenced to life in prison without parole for first-degree murder and burglary.[/quote]
[QUOTE=SavePros321]Think about it. If a woman hits you up for child support, is it safe to assume that the next guy she hooks up with (who pretends to play "daddy" to your kid) is reaping the benefits?[/QUOTE]
If the other guy is living with her and not contributing any significant amount money to the household then, of course, he is reaping the benefits. This can work the other way around too. If the child's father isn't paying child support but the other guy pays the rent, utilities and groceries then Mr. Baby Daddy reaps the benefits and the other guy is a sucker. In cases where women land more child support than needed for the reasonable expenses of child rearing then it inevitably gets spent on the new man or blown on mom's shopping trips. For this reason there should be caps placed on child support rather than going on the gross percentage of a man's income. I seriously doubt that a 3 or 5 yr old child needs $100K/yr to live comfortably. This is nothing more than hidden alimony payments to the mother. Furthermore, it's worst than alimony because the payer can't deduct it from taxes and the payee doesn't have to declare it as income but usually claims a tax deduction based on the child being a dependent in addition to receiving tax-free child support payments. Fat child support checks are the ultimate tax-free retirement plans for American women if they can find the right man to impregnate them.
Any guy who can keep his hard-on while boffing one of these old cows AND listening while she's talking, deserves all the money he can get for the effort.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp] I would love to hear the conversations that go on between male/female hookers in private.
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This last comment is great! I thought about some of the times I've chatted afterwards. All I can say is.... honesty!
There is only time in your entire life that you'll ever heard a woman speak the 100% truth about sex, relationships and the like. That time is when you've just finished having sex with a pro, you've paid her and now you're having a little conversation afterwards.
I'll bet there's other guys around here who've noticed the same thing.
Rock
ps. Chocha..... this is a major reason why divorce rates are so high. The current legal situation makes divorce a financially attractive option for too many women. At the same time, it makes remarriage very UNattracive.
This guy Dick Masterson is the author of the book Men are Better than Women. Anyone on here ever heard of this guy before?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM&eurl=http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/[/url]
This clip is from Dr. Phil a few months ago describing to the audience what it means to be a chauvinist. The look on the girls face in the audience when he tells her why he wouldn't date her is priceless.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]This guy Dick Masterson is the author of the book Men are Better than Women. Anyone on here ever heard of this guy before?
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM&eurl=http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/[/url]
[/QUOTE]His real name is Dax Herrera, book author, comedian, podcast personality, pianist and software engineer (!)
Here he is selling his moustache on ebay a couple of years ago.
[url]http://www.buymymoustache.com/[/url]
Dick Masterson is his Borat-type character, but it seems most people don't get the joke (yet). I'm sure Dr. Dill must have known it was an act. I think Dax on a financial winner.
It's a 3 minute video but it's worth it to see the look on her face.
Do you think when she got home she decided to exercise and eat healthy or just swallow a large serving of ice cream?
He was definitely telling the truth.
Anyone man stupid enough to marry this crazy ass woman money needs to get their head examined...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38X1YMpOjwQ[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9Uv7uQ3hs&feature=related[/url]
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Anyone man stupid enough to marry this crazy ass woman money needs to get their head examined...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38X1YMpOjwQ[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u9Uv7uQ3hs&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]
Fully 2/3rds of the men even considering marriage at all need their head examined.
Clearly marriage is for sane people only...
However the comments on the first video are a bit over the top and show you the immature nature of Americans as a whole. Name calling is way too easy an outlet and shows you can not express yourself without resorting to tactics of a 6 year old.
<--- This post coming from a man who didn't completely finish HIGH SCHOOL
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Fully 2/3rds of the men even considering marriage at all need their head examined.
Clearly marriage is for sane people only...
However the comments on the first video are a bit over the top and show you the immature nature of Americans as a whole. Name calling is way too easy an outlet and shows you can not express yourself without resorting to tactics of a 6 year old.
<--- This post coming from a man who didn't completely finish HIGH SCHOOL[/QUOTE]Did her accent sound american to you?
Goooollld DIGGER!
That's what this money grubbing biatch is. She basically admits it herself when she mentions as how her soon-to-be ex is 25 years older than she is. Also, she says he's go something like 60 million bucks with condos in Florida and New York.
It sounds like the whole thing got started when she suggested to him that things should be structured so that she'd get her half Million/yr "pension" no matter what happened. She pisses and moans about a pre-nup, so the guy couldn't have been a total idiot.
I'm sure there's lot's of men out there regarding this greedy **** with loathing. At the same time, I'm just as sure there's a bunch of AW's out there thinking "you go girl".
Personally I hope she ends up going back home where she came from with her tail between her legs....... pun most definitely intended!
BTW, that's a fairly high-class London accent ..... or at least that's how it sounds to me. I'd bet her family ain't exactly hurtin for $$$.
Rock
It seems like the YouTube gold digger is really psycho too. She does her "cards" every morning to figure out how things are going to turn out. Her face has a permanent expression of surprise. Too much botox? She admitted to never having had sex with her husband who is 25 yrs older than her. Its pretty obvious why she married the old geezer but she tries to play it off by saying that she has a "daddy complex". Well I agree that she has a sugar daddy complex. She's pissed off that she has to abide by the rules of the pre-nup or no half a million yearly pension. It seems like she wanted to change the conditions agree to in the pre-nup so that she could cash out early regardless of what she did. The old geezer wasn't screwing her crazy ass and she wanted to fuck around on him so she wanted to make sure that the money would be direct deposited into her account. What a skank!
[QUOTE=Latin Bound]Did her accent sound american to you?[/QUOTE]
Actually I didn't, it sounds like she's from Down Under or another part of Britain actually.
Money grubin biatch? More than likely....
[QUOTE=Bnlee2]Alone in a hotel room when the hurricane struck. I do not think so. She was probably banging away. Paying for a day of his service and getting a few days in return. She was probably experiencing multiple bliss.[/QUOTE]
American men and women traveling overseas for sex with foreigners anyone other then me sees the irony in that?
I usually just lurk here at ISG. But what happened to a co-worker just made me angry and decided to post this.
He basically quit his job one day without giving 2 weeks notice all because his new wife told him to. She said he should have realized that her and her 3 kids from a previous marriage cost money. Now granted he hasn't had a raise in 2+years now and also worked a second job, so yeah it might have been wise to move on. But I heard this from his wife's mouth.
The father of the kids only provides medical, and my former co-worker has to pay the rest. She only has simple cashier job and relies on him to do the rest, and they live well beyond their means too. Plus she not attractive at all but neither is he.
She is another reason I am turned off American women. My choice is never to marry a woman like that. My filipina gf is nothing like that in attitude.
[QUOTE=Neon Noodle]I usually just lurk here at ISG. But what happened to a co-worker just made me angry and decided to post this.
He basically quit his job one day without giving 2 weeks notice all because his new wife told him to. She said he should have realized that her and her 3 kids from a previous marriage cost money. Now granted he hasn't had a raise in 2+years now and also worked a second job, so yeah it might have been wise to move on. But I heard this from his wife's mouth.....My filipina gf is nothing like that in attitude.[/QUOTE]
Ex-American wife asked me to walk from my high paying government job and come live in one of the most expensive places in America with no plan. I had already let a very coveted law enforcement position go because of her.
I been with A filipina raised in Japan last two years bruh. She rushes out of bed in the morning to cook she cleans like vacuum I tell her to chill she says I want my man stomach full and I want you to have a clean house. What the fuck can I say?
[QUOTE=D Etat]American men and women traveling overseas for sex with foreigners anyone other then me sees the irony in that?[/QUOTE]
Any man who has dealt with AWs does NOT see the irony you speak of. I can understand how Europeans or Asians [i]living in Europe or in Asia[/i] and do not have to deal with AWs could see irony.
The fact of the matter is that more and more men in the US are finding it more worthwhile to kick AWs to the curb and seek out foreign women. At the same time, more and more US women have higher incomes and the means to seek out men, beyond US shores, who will put up with their crap - [i]for pay, for a little while[/i].
I found this in my email box from a site I use (not often) for interracial dating, any who read this -
[quote]Like so many of my articles, the inspiration for this one came from a conversation with my best friend. The other day after work he and I were sitting around talking and he made a comment about a new girl at his job. He said: "I'm beginning to not like her - it's no wonder she's 37 and never been married".
Of course, my first reaction is to jump to my sisters' defense and say "maybe she doesn't want to be married. That's not every woman's goal in life you know?" He proceeds to tell me that no, she wants a man and she wants one bad. You can tell by how she carries herself, how she talks to their male co-workers versus the body language used with female co-workers. It's the tone of her voice and the way she gives a certain look or scent if we were in the wild I suppose.
Okay, maybe she is looking, why you think she's still single, I ask. He tells me the following story. Apparently, while at work there was a group of guys, (she was the only female). They were having a discussion about another co-worker that happens to be married. This guy just purchased a car and made a comment about how his children are not allowed in this particular vehicle. He explained that the family had two other modes of transportation, but that this one "his baby", was off limits to the children because, well, they are kids and if you've got them you probably understand.
Well, according to my friend, she went off on a tirade about how wrong that was, and if "she was his wife", she would take the car while he was at work and put the kids in it and just drive around for the hell of it. I thought that it was funny. My buddy thought that it was silly, childish and the very reason that so many women can't find and keep a man. Huh? His explanation went further in detail on how a lot of women (his words), think that when you get into a relationship you have to share everything like your bed, food, thoughts, friends and oxygen. Okay, I added the last one there. But I totally got it.
Sometimes when people fall crazy in love, they want to consume themselves with everything about the other person. Notice that I said "people" because; trust me when I tell you that women are not the only ones that do this. Anyone know the ratio of male verses female stalkers?
Anyway, his point is that men need to have some space and independence, some things that are theirs and theirs alone. They need a man room, a hobby, a friend that they don't have to share- something. See, I get it. Because women need the same thing... We just don't ***** and moan as loudly about it. We do ***** and moan, about other things though. In all fairness, guys don't really ***** or moan or even talk about it. They sulk, get quiet or pick fights as an excuse to get away, instead of just communicating what they need in a way that doesn't say... "Look ***** you're driving me crazy" - and saying I need some me time sounds too girlie, I suppose.
So, who knows why the 37 year old woman isn't married. Maybe she doesn't want to settle for a guy that's not willing to give up everything for her as she is for him. Perhaps she's coming across as to needy and unwilling to bend or change - to set in her ways. Or maybe my friend can print out this article, slip it on her desk and she can tell him herself. It could be that she just hasn't found our site and explored all of her options in the world of dating interracially.[/quote]
I think the last paragraph nails it.
She may be limiting herself (most women do) and the rest of it is most likely true.
Here's a comment left by a woman, you saw this coming didn't you -
[quote]What am I missing here? Is it just me, or does anyone else find it asinine that this woman is considered a ***** and not worthy of marrying because she disagrees with a coworker who doesn’t allow his children to ride in his car. Since when does defending the interest of a coworkers children, a coworker who may or may not be guilty of putting his “wants and needs” ahead of his children-- since when does that constitute her being anything other than a woman who will put her children ahead of a mans “toys”? And KennyG’s comments have me thoroughly puzzled with the story of his ex girlfriend. There’s nothing in this scenario that leads me to believe that the woman who had never married had been involved with married men. There is any number of reasons that this woman is not married. It’s even possible that she has refrained from marrying little boys who find it so easy to toss around the word “*****” like it’s a term of endearment. Quite possibly, she has been holding out for a “man” of substance.[/quote]
How come you just know what an American woman would say before she even says it????
The woman described in the article belongs to a certain class of women who believe that a husband’s sole purpose for existence is to fulfill the needs and whims of his wife and any children that she may have. The husband doesn’t have a right to privacy, personal space, personal property, exclusive friends, individual hobbies, or goals and aspirations that don’t involve his wife’s wants. Ironically, if a man were to have the same attitude towards a woman he would be seen as oppressive, controlling and even abusive perhaps. There is a good reason why these women can’t marry, most men clear out really fast once they realize what is in store for them. Such a woman isn’t content with a man’s heart. They want your soul too. These vampires will suck you dry emotionally, mentally and financially leaving behind nothing but the shell of a man, a mere shadow of who you once were.
An old man once told me, “If you see a beautiful woman well into her reproductive years and she isn’t married there is usually a good reason for that. Don’t think that other men decided to leave a wonderful woman all alone just so that you could have her.”
Honestly, I thought that the old man was a crackpot at the time he told me this because I was just a boy. Years later and schooled in the ways of the world I realize the wisdom of his words. Other men have eyes too and women worth having are like gold, you’re not likely to find them unattended and unspoken for if they’ve been around for any length of time.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]The woman described in the article belongs to a certain class of women who believe that a husband’s sole purpose for existence is to fulfill the needs and whims of his wife and any children that she may have. The husband doesn’t have a right to privacy, personal space, personal property, exclusive friends, individual hobbies, or goals and aspirations that don’t involve his wife’s wants. Ironically, if a man were to have the same attitude towards a woman he would be seen as oppressive, controlling and even abusive perhaps. There is a good reason why these women can’t marry, most men clear out really fast once they realize what is in store for them. Such a woman isn’t content with a man’s heart. They want your soul too. These vampires will suck you dry emotionally, mentally and financially leaving behind nothing but the shell of a man, a mere shadow of who you once were.
An old man once told me, “If you see a beautiful woman well into her reproductive years and she isn’t married there is usually a good reason for that. Don’t think that other men decided to leave a wonderful woman all alone just so that you could have her.”
Honestly, I thought that the old man was a crackpot at the time he told me this because I was just a boy. Years later and schooled in the ways of the world I realize the wisdom of his words. Other men have eyes too and women worth having are like gold, you’re not likely to find them unattended and unspoken for if they’ve been around for any length of time.[/QUOTE]
Though somewhat based on Old School thinking, I think it rings more truer than every today.
Gentlemen,
A great film about classy (Not) American women is coming out on the big screen this week: Sex & The City.
This movie will chronicle four women, who are very shallow. Many AW will flock to this film and support the so-called "Girl Power"!
In all it's fairness, I should tell it like it is: AW suck! This movie will suck!
Why do I date foreign women? Because many of them like to suck!
I still say that most American women are more independant then those overseas and can pull their own weight. Some guys like Financial dependant women which that seems to be all I encounter overseas...Of course if they need your money they will be nice to you simple math...
Anyway my two....
[QUOTE=D Etat]I still say that most American women are more independant then those overseas and can pull their own weight. Some guys like Financial dependant women which that seems to be all I encounter overseas...Of course if they need your money they will be nice to you simple math...
Anyway my two....[/QUOTE]
D Etat, of course North American and Western European women are more independent in general than women in many other parts of the world because they have more opportunities to earn their own money. Given that fact, why are we picking up the tab for dinner, drinks and entertainment when dating American women? I find this disturbing. If a woman is truly independent and pulls her own weight she shouldn’t be expecting a man to pay her way, especially when they’re just getting to know each other. American women are usually able to pull their own weight but they seldom want to. For men who date upper and upper middle class women opinions may differ. Furthermore, I’d venture to say that Swedish women are far more independent than most American women. In Sweden a man isn’t expected to pay for a woman’s meals and drinks on a date.
I’ve never met a woman that liked a broke man, be it in the US or elsewhere. They always seem to need your money or want your money. At least the foreigners are nicer when they take your money and are less likely to act like it is their right to do so because they were born with a pussy.
I really don’t know why guys would like financially dependent women. Most men don’t like the idea of leeches. Some guys are traditionalists and like the idea of a stay-at-home wife. Personally, I don’t want anyone to stick around just because they need my financial support. If they have the option to leave at least I could be reasonably sure of their affections.
Some foreign women have a lot of ambition and show incredible entrepreneurial spirit once they get a little money. I’m sure that there are foreign women out there that stick with men even when they don’t need their money. Many educated professional immigrant women remain with their older unattractive lower middle class husbands in the US even when they can easily trade up.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]D Etat, of course North American and Western European women are more independent in general than women in many other parts of the world because they have more opportunities to earn their own money. Given that fact, why are we picking up the tab for dinner, drinks and entertainment when dating American women? I find this disturbing. If a woman is truly independent and pulls her own weight she shouldn’t be expecting a man to pay her way, especially when they’re just getting to know each other. American women are usually able to pull their own weight but they seldom want to. For men who date upper and upper middle class women opinions may differ. Furthermore, I’d venture to say that Swedish women are far more independent than most American women. In Sweden a man isn’t expected to pay for a woman’s meals and drinks on a date.
I’ve never met a woman that liked a broke man, be it in the US or elsewhere. They always seem to need your money or want your money. At least the foreigners are nicer when they take your money and are less likely to act like it is their right to do so because they were born with a pussy.
I really don’t know why guys would like financially dependent women. Most men don’t like the idea of leeches. Some guys are traditionalists and like the idea of a stay-at-home wife. Personally, I don’t want anyone to stick around just because they need my financial support. If they have the option to leave at least I could be reasonably sure of their affections.
Some foreign women have a lot of ambition and show incredible entrepreneurial spirit once they get a little money. I’m sure that there are foreign women out there that stick with men even when they don’t need their money. Many educated professional immigrant women remain with their older unattractive lower middle class husbands in the US even when they can easily trade up.[/QUOTE]
Women are the same the world over the only thing that seperates them is those who have and those who have not....I lived in Japan and South Korea worked in Dubai, where hordes of independent women lived and they could be just as vindictive as their American sisters. Like I said the real problem most guys have with American women I think is their non-compliance...Guys love places like Thailand because A girl will screw them for 1000 baht...
Well, I guess one can say that women are inherently evil and their treatment of men depends largely on how much they need from them. In that case it would be in a man’s interest to live in a country where he is needed if he wants to be treated nicely by women. In America a man’s perceived value is low hence there is no reason for women to be nice to him unless he is a millionaire or famous. On that note, why do you think that American women are such attention wh*res?
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Well, I guess one can say that women are inherently evil and their treatment of men depends largely on how much they need from them. In that case it would be in a man’s interest to live in a country where he is needed if he wants to be treated nicely by women. In America a man’s perceived value is low hence there is no reason for women to be nice to him unless he is a millionaire or famous. On that note, why do you think that American women are such attention wh*res?[/QUOTE]
I don't like to compliment men... but you are poetry in motion. Attention *****s huh? Most I have dated and married do kind of scream "Look At Meeee." Low self-esteem? People who are hurting inside always want attention.
[QUOTE=D Etat]I still say that most American women are more independant then those overseas and can pull their own weight. Some guys like Financial dependant women which that seems to be all I encounter overseas...Of course if they need your money they will be nice to you simple math...
Anyway my two....[/QUOTE]
You are correct about AWs, but I feel you are WAY off base about foreign women and regarding "pulling one's own weight". One can contribute to a relationship in ways that are NOT financial. That said, I wager that you have never been in a serious relationship with a Latin or Asian woman.
I have many friends who are married to Colombian women. I seriously dated a Colombiana for over a year. What these women contribute in terms of cooking, cleaning, and keeping house I feel FAR outweighs what most non-professional women, and maybe some professional women, can earn and bring into the household. As one guy told me when his then fiancee (now wife) arrived in the US for a visit; there is clean and then there is 'Latina clean'. He said he cleaned up his house from top to bottom to make a good impression. His wife re-cleaned it from inside out. She found dirt that he didn't know existed. All he could say was 'Daaayyyyuummmm!'
I have no problem financially supporting a woman who keeps our home like that!
Also, do you prefer tasty home cooked meals or frozen dinners?
I agree with everything that Chocha Monger and George90 has to say. Foreign women are just something else - nothing compared to AW. Although, in all fairness, you do find a lot of women abroad with the AW mentality / syndrome (unfortunately, McDonald's hasn't been the only thing that globalization has taken elsewhere......) but it still doesn't compare with what you find here in pussy prison USA. And also, for the most part, those women
you meet abroad who have such "princess complexes" tend to be those who have either traveled to or have lived in (for x amount of time) in the U.S. and/or other rich countries. But for the most part, fortunately for us, they tend to be in the minority of numbers.
Before, I used to feel like a big loser for not being able to land an AW or an Americanized woman (which more often than not, turn out to be the same - in some instances, they even outdo AW themselves). But now, I am as content as I can be with my novia in Colombia. Sure, long distance relationships are not necessarily the best ones, but I don't mind saving my hard-earned $$ (money that I would be otherwise throwing away trying to date AW/Americanized women) with the hopes of returning to see and be with her as soon as possible. Hell, I have even considered the idea of living abroad altogether.
What do you fellas think? Would you be able to live abroad, even with very little $$$ but being in a position where coming around to women is not such an impossible thing to do?
Would you give up (at least temporarily) the pursuit of materialistic possessions in chase of the American Dream to be elsewhere with perhaps (but hopefully not) little money and/or materialistic wealth?
Would you be willing and/or able to trade one thing for another?
Could having things be more important than being able to have women (and beautiful ones, to punt) who actually value you for who you are?
And also, in a way, even if you were to be a man of means, why would you want to risk spoiling things abroad for the rest of us by throwing your $$$ around? Maybe living overseas with enough to get by in terms of everything (action, fun, love, etc...) would not be such a bad idea - especially since it would allow you to more truthfully know who really means it when they say to you "te quiero mucho, papi".
Just my two-cents worth. Peace out!!!!!
Here's the link for those of you who could stomach enough to read:
[url]http://lifestyle.msn.com/beautyandfashion/cosmosexandthecity/articlecosmo.aspx?cp-documentid=7410497>1=32001[/url]
[QUOTE=George90]You are correct about AWs, but I feel you are WAY off base about foreign women and regarding "pulling one's own weight". One can contribute to a relationship in ways that are NOT financial. That said, I wager that you have never been in a serious relationship with a Latin or Asian woman.
I have many friends who are married to Colombian women. I seriously dated a Colombiana for over a year. What these women contribute in terms of cooking, cleaning, and keeping house I feel FAR outweighs what most non-professional women, and maybe some professional women, can earn and bring into the household. As one guy told me when his then fiancee (now wife) arrived in the US for a visit; there is clean and then there is 'Latina clean'. He said he cleaned up his house from top to bottom to make a good impression. His wife re-cleaned it from inside out. She found dirt that he didn't know existed. All he could say was 'Daaayyyyuummmm!'
I have no problem financially supporting a woman who keeps our home like that!
Also, do you prefer tasty home cooked meals or frozen dinners?[/QUOTE]
I been dating a Japanese-Filipina last two years mayne and known her for four. She is everything what you just described above she was working when I met her I told her to chill on the work as I earn enough....She was reluctant but gave in...
Gee, guys, I'm going down to Bogota to live with my love in a couple months but guess what, I'm cooking and cleaning too. And she's not quitting her job either, that would be the LAST thing I want for all the money-earning to have to be on me.
I don't have a problem with traditional relationships where the woman stays at home and doesn't work, but I do question how many women would really want to live like that. I know a buttload of Colombian women real well and I can't honestly say that even ONE of them would be content with such a situation, unless you're talking the 50+ crowd.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Gee, guys, I'm going down to Bogota to live with my love in a couple months but guess what, I'm cooking and cleaning too. And she's not quitting her job either, that would be the LAST thing I want for all the money-earning to have to be on me.
I don't have a problem with traditional relationships where the woman stays at home and doesn't work, but I do question how many women would really want to live like that. I know a buttload of Colombian women real well and I can't honestly say that even ONE of them would be content with such a situation, unless you're talking the 50+ crowd.[/QUOTE]Bango I live in PI where a dream wage is $500 USD monthly. When we was in Japan my girl worked two jobs but after relocating to PI I am sorry I just can't have her busting her ass for that pay. I wipe my ass with $500.
Gentlemen, check out this link:
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVCyLz88Zc[/url]
It tells you all you need to know!
Its simple really....
Just like everything in America has been turned upside down in the last 30 years, relationships between men and women in America have not escaped that turnover either.
Western European women are STILL better than American women, find a guy that has married a Britain, German, Scandinavian, Italian, French or Spanish woman and says they want to trade her in on an American model, you won't find many takers...
Same goes for Eastern Europeans, South Americans, Central Americans and Asians.
There minds are not poluted with poison Western thinking. Sure they enjoy our music and tv shows, they have entertainment value world-wide. Many think American women are NUTS and seldom do they ask WHY your having difficultity finding a good woman in the US.
You can have as much success in the US as you care to have if you have set yourself up correctly.
I think its (US) a land of dimensioning returns after age 30. That means if you want to get a woman here at her best, mid 20's is where you start. Usually educated and some what mature enough to handle an "adult" relationship.
My ex from years gone by; she worked a decent job, could type 120 WPM and was Dyslexic. She had finished 1 1/2 years of Jr College when we met, she was only 19.
I was 25 at the time.
I don't believe it was a case of being too picky. She had a weight problem when we met, at first I was desperate to even have a long term girlfriend, so I rolled with it.
She later lost about 80% of that weight
Otherwise she squrited for guys into that kind of thing (I am!), she worked, came home, cooked, washed dishes (never let them build up) and watched TV while I fooled around on the PC, never complained about that (not too often anyway)
She's Caucasian and had been exposed to Interracial dating by her sister, he mother was a stay at home mom and pop was a retired long distance truck driver.
She thought that's what a woman in a long term relationship did, work and keep house, but I had to do my part, I wasn't taking advantage of her in that way.
But I was never totally over the moon about her, so after 2.5 years I let her go.
That was 1999
Since the start of the 21st Century it has been a challenge, I found myself single at 27 and thought hey I could reallyd make an impact. 9 years later and I am not better off, struggled to date locally, turned to the net once more, continued to struggle with -
White Trash from Western Colo; by 22 she had 4 kids... I met her she was 18!
A Sow from San Diego
A girl I met BLINDLY through some phone hookup line, still turns out to be the HOTTEST chick I have ever dated. However I wasn't ready to date her or do anything with her long term, I was between jobs and DJing mostly, staying up late, sleeping all day, you know the drill.
Its about that time I had re-discovered women abroad...
That was 6 years ago...
It really looks like I am coming to the end, the conclusion of seeking out a long term commitment.
My last hope I believe lies in Eastern Europe, still largely "undiscovered country" for Black American Men.
That's not to say I can't find what I want in places like Germany, but Western influances have a negative impact on your dating pool past 35. I seek fresh, unused and fairly mature, that means mid 20's and that for the most part isn't going to happen in Western Europe.
So at this point I can't take American women seriously, I can't waste the time or the money!
Its easier to find a woman overseas that wants a traditional role in a relationship with a modern twist.
Yeah D Etat I hear you on wages, Eastern Europeans usally get shitty wages here in America even with college educations...
DJ,
You can forget about getting twenty-something pussy if you're 30+ in America. Women here usually have +/- 3 yrs limit unless you want to play Sugar Daddy to some poor lower class woman. Women close to your age would likely have children and/or be cast-offs from previous troubled relationships and not what you'd want to settle for. If you import a younger wife be prepared to deal with name calling and meddling from AW with nothing better to do than interfere in other people's lives.
Speaking of the Gestapo, I recently saw a disgusting sexist TV ad showing a man with his daughter being observed by a nosey old AW. It closes with a caption urging viewers to report suspected child abuse even if they have doubts. Yet still, they wonder why men aren't crazy about spending time with kids? How about showing one of those attractive perverted female teachers with a young boy being asked to stay behind after class? Portraying men as animals in this country seems to be quite acceptable because no one objects.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]DJ,
You can forget about getting twenty-something pussy if you're 30+ in America. Women here usually have +/- 3 yrs limit unless you want to play Sugar Daddy to some poor lower class woman. Women close to your age would likely have children and/or be cast-offs from previous troubled relationships and not what you'd want to settle for. If you import a younger wife be prepared to deal with name calling and meddling from AW with nothing better to do than interfere in other people's lives.
Speaking of the Gestapo, I recently saw a disgusting sexist TV ad showing a man with his daughter being observed by a nosey old AW. It closes with a caption urging viewers to report suspected child abuse even if they have doubts. Yet still, they wonder why men aren't crazy about spending time with kids? How about showing one of those attractive perverted female teachers with a young boy being asked to stay behind after class? Portraying men as animals in this country seems to be quite acceptable because no one objects.[/QUOTE]
CM -
Quite true and then they can print targets around Obama, Huckelberry can make of color remarks at an NRA meeting of all things, assuming a chair being knocked over is akin to Obama ducking for cover to avoid snipper fire and the final bit was Clinton trying to link her staying in a race she'll loose with RFK's federal killing (yep!) and the joke that was the '68 convertion, code for Obama could have another Rev Wright episode (which he said nothing wrong and continues to say nothing wrong) or somebody will try and take him out (hence the target being printed on the front page of a national newspaper).
Yeah a man's life in America is not nearly as valuable as a woman's it seems these days, if comments were made about Clinton being bumped off because she's a woman, you would never hear the end of it.
I do find some value in almost over the hill AW (early to mid 30s) but I can use that as a "safety" valve whenever; I feel, there's always going to be some 30 something woman that was cheated on by her man or whatever the case is and is looking for another chance at love and sees their chances shrink with each passing year as well.
Locking down a mid 20 something at my age (37) is next to impossible but so is winning the lottery, some people do actually win...
My best bet would be Mid-West/Small Town America for something like that however. I think you can expand the acceptable age gap from 3 +/- to about 5-7 -/+ as many "experts" claim I should be looking from 28-40 as you move further away from the 6-7 largest cities in America.
There is a Swedish girl I talk too off and on that's only 23 and has already traveled around the world, I believe she's in Africa lending aid.
But she's a rarity, most women interested in me in Western Europe have been in their late 20's to mid 30's.
The one Russian girl (make that two) are under 25, though one of them is interested in a friend of mine and the one I have been talking too for almost a year wants to keep expectations down as to not disappoint herself or me I guess.
I know there some women interested in Brothas in EE, I just think it will take some serious ground work to track them down as the usual "Mail Order" sites I don't think will work...
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]DJ,
You can forget about getting twenty-something pussy if you're 30+ in America. Women here usually have +/- 3 yrs limit unless you want to play Sugar Daddy to some poor lower class woman. Women close to your age would likely have children and/or be cast-offs from previous troubled relationships and not what you'd want to settle for. If you import a younger wife be prepared to deal with name calling and meddling from AW with nothing better to do than interfere in other people's lives.
[/QUOTE]That's odd. I can't even get a 40 year old bbw here to look at me and I'm 27! So much for your 'theories'.
There is an old book (written in the early 90's I think) by R. Don Steele (of Steel Balls Press). You can get it on Amazon for as low as $7.00. If you're willing to do the work (and he was 46 when he wrote it), you can have short and long term flings with chicks in their early 20's.
It was a good book, and the general reviews on Amazon would concur with my opinion. But, a lot of time, energy, and money goes into working his advice. He shows how to do it without being the sugar daddy in her mind, and actually have her get emotionally involved.
How to Date Younger Women: For Men Over 35 -- that's the title.
[QUOTE=Jak]There is an old book (written in the early 90's I think) by R. Don Steele (of Steel Balls Press). You can get it on Amazon for as low as $7.00. If you're willing to do the work (and he was 46 when he wrote it), you can have short and long term flings with chicks in their early 20's.
It was a good book, and the general reviews on Amazon would concur with my opinion. But, a lot of time, energy, and money goes into working his advice. He shows how to do it without being the sugar daddy in her mind, and actually have her get emotionally involved.
How to Date Younger Women: For Men Over 35 -- that's the title.[/QUOTE]
Might be worth reading, not sure how much of a use it would be however.
Young woman just don't like to date men older than 3-4 years in Western Culture.
1) They think your too serious and boring
2) They couldn't imagine popping out a child (usually if they are around 22-23)
3) They fear being locked into a relationship they can't get out of
Rich men if your older are favored because -
1) Money equals "Excitement" and "Access" in the minds of many women
2) Busy broadmembers and managers of companies travel alot, at the office late and are less demanding of personal time. More time for young women to go out drinking (heavily) , spark up a doobie and do other stupid shiet
3) If your into your 40's its likely you will not wanna get married, so there is no pressure for her and the fear of being locked down never materializes...
If your Joe Average, good luck! No matter how much knowledge you're armed with you'll be spending many hours and many dollars trying to nail that girl under 25.
Even girls young but not so cute/smart are stupid, its hopeless.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Its simple really....
Just like everything in America has been turned upside down in the last 30 years, relationships between men and women in America have not escaped that turnover either.
Western European women are STILL better than American women, find a guy that has married a Britain, German, Scandinavian, Italian, French or Spanish woman and says they want to trade her in on an American model, you won't find many takers......[/QUOTE]
Man are you looking to get married if so why?
[QUOTE=D Etat]Man are you looking to get married if so why?[/QUOTE]
Is there a problem with that? lol
Yes I am, does it dominate my life, no
Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
A few of my friends and co-workers are married and only a handful are actually happy. The rest dump on me and wish they could get out but have children.
The one thing they have in common - They are married to American women...
I am coming to the conclusion that marrage might not be the answer. But I've never been good at being single. If I ignore women, I can go years between dates and just as long between sexual encounters.
Its only been recently that I thought that I shouldn't go without and seek services, only to find out American providers are usually just as much of a crap shoot as dating most women only to come up empty after a few days.
Money out of pocket, no ass or Money out of pocket, shitty service.
I went to Germany; where an American provider I once visted near LV wanted $1000 for overnight and I spent roughly $600US between FKK's and Redlight District in Frankfurt and was actually tired of fucking by the time I got back to LA.
In fact I spent about $1,000 total if you count flying to Kiev to bang a freebie, though it wasn't worth it in the long run.
As of May 29th, its been ONE year since I went to Europe and I haven't had sex SINCE I left, that's how BAD I can make it. I simply don't care, I don't give a fuck, I don't wanna date American women. About a month ago, some girl hit me up on Plenty of Fish and we had lunch. I don't know but I'm really not that interested.
Its not even that I seek perfection, why should I? I'm not Adonis or Taye Diggs....
I can pull up to "8" on the classic scale but I'll take "7" or even "6" if her body is off the chain.
I want to have children and NO I don't wanna adopt; at least not without having at least ONE blood child first.
In my book you need to be at least in an LTR before you even consider children, if you're already together, why not get married, just makes it offical.
Was that answer too long???
One more on the subject of marriage.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/lf_nm_life/books_bachelors_dc[/url]
Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
Just to let you California mongers relax, there is no "common law" marriage in California no matter how long you live with a woman. It was abolished decades ago. Meluvulongtime. P.S. I am an attorney.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Is there a problem with that? lol
Yes I am, does it dominate my life, no
Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
A few of my friends and co-workers are married and only a handful are actually happy. The rest dump on me and wish they could get out but have children.
The one thing they have in common - They are married to American women...
Was that answer too long???[/QUOTE]
Nah no problems mayne... your answer was on point as usual and I am just asking because on this thread a lot of you guys seem to be against marriage. Maybe just marriage to an American lady. I been there and done that already and frankly I am in no hurry to have a repeat. I been in a LTR for the last two years and its been great but my girl is Asian (From Asia) but I fear I must leave PI sooner then later as living her and trying to be faithful is like trying to stay warm in the arctic....anyway man go for what you know also when guys reach a certain age I think they start looking to settle down. Me I in my late 20s so I still just enjoying this ride...
My thoughts on marriage is that overall its just not a good deal. If you love someone or want to be with them a piece of paper is not going change that. What that paper will do though is financially and legally bound you that person and when she turns from a Stepford wife into a mean version of Rosie O'donnel then you go through $1000 worth of hell to get away from her. Speaking from experience playboy....
[QUOTE=Meluvulongtime]Don't have to get married I suppose, in California more than one year together, she's your "common law" wife anyway.
Just to let you California mongers relax, there is no "common law" marriage in California no matter how long you live with a woman. It was abolished decades ago. Meluvulongtime. P.S. I am an attorney.[/QUOTE]
Decades? I seem to remember some court ruling not too long ago, maybe 10 years ago, but decades? I dunno, since you are an attorney I'll take your word for it -:)
[QUOTE=D Etat]Nah no problems mayne... your answer was on point as usual and I am just asking because on this thread a lot of you guys seem to be against marriage. Maybe just marriage to an American lady. I been there and done that already and frankly I am in no hurry to have a repeat. I been in a LTR for the last two years and its been great but my girl is Asian (From Asia) but I fear I must leave PI sooner then later as living her and trying to be faithful is like trying to stay warm in the arctic....anyway man go for what you know also when guys reach a certain age I think they start looking to settle down. Me I in my late 20s so I still just enjoying this ride...
My thoughts on marriage is that overall its just not a good deal. If you love someone or want to be with them a piece of paper is not going change that. What that paper will do though is financially and legally bound you that person and when she turns from a Stepford wife into a mean version of Rosie O'donnel then you go through $1000 worth of hell to get away from her. Speaking from experience playboy....[/QUOTE]
I would prefer to be single than linked up to some horror show. My ex would have been ideal actually, I was just tired of looking at her really, cute but not eye candy and I feel I can get a little bit of eye candy and that's not too much to ask IMHO.
My advice is IF your going to get married, make sure the girl is sprung on you bad.
My ex was sprung pretty bad, I did my fair share of fucking up, though never offically cheating on her, I did get caught speaking online with somebody else and got caught being on AOL when I said I would cancel my account...
She never slept in another room, never threathen to kill me or throw things at me. She would be mad for about 24 hours and I would be fucking her the next day...
She was content, maybe felt I spent too much time online but other than that, we went places when money allowed, visited her parents every other month in Arizona and generally I rate it a A- as far as relationships go and I hardly had to put any thought into what I was doing. I had freedom to chill with the boys, I could fairly come and go when I wanted too, within reason, its was almost ideal.
Now if I can find somebody slightly better looking with more sex appeal with all the same mental features my ex had, that would be the woman I would marry.
I found better looking and worst looking women since, but I don't regret letting her go, it will just take a better effort from me to dig deeper. I ulimately feel overseas will get me closer to what I want, than wading through American women or even Westernized EE women already in Los Angeles (already been down that route..).
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Decades? I seem to remember some court ruling not too long ago, maybe 10 years ago, but decades? I dunno, since you are an attorney I'll take your word for it -:)[/QUOTE]Your are right about a case a decade ago. I have not looked it up, but I think it involved a "palimony" contract. There was signed contract re: support. I think the case involved that great actor Lee Marvin. But strictly speaking there is no common law marriage in Cali. I am not a divorce attorney, but to my limited knowledge (just enough to pass the bar there are 3 ways to get into trouble: 1) sign a contract with your live in girlfriend re: support or property, 2) move to California from a state that does have common law marriage (California must respect laws of other states), and 3) Lying to creditors claiming you are married, if so they can come after you for her debts, and after her for your debts. Yikes. Meluvulongtime
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I was in Los Angeles recently visiting a friend of mine. Some good looking Black women were there, and one of them was checking me out. I noticed her doing it, but I ignored her. My friend later brought it to my attention that she was interested. I said to him " If she wants to talk to me , she can approach me her self". She finally did. During the course of our conversation, she asked me the "Frequently asked questions":
1.Are you/Have you ever been married ?
2. Do you have any kids ?
3. (The most asked question by an AW) What do you do ?
I answered the first 2 with a simple "No".
The 3rd, I told her I was retired military.
She then told me her sob story about her failed marriage, how lonely she was, Boo,hoo,hoo !
That night she folowed me to my hotel, we fucked ! no big deal.
The next morning, she tried to drop a bomb: She said that due to her busy work schedule, If I wanted to see her again I would have to make an appointment at least a week in advance!
I said " Future hook ups will not happen, because toll calls from Asia where I live 5 to 6 months out of the year are expensive". And I don't date AW anyway!, but I will have sex with them!" She then said, "You are the friend I was told about, who travels around Asia, and has lots of girlfriends"
I said "Yep", you can go now, I have a plane to catch in 4 hours!
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I would prefer to be single than linked up to some horror show.
[/QUOTE]
Funny you should mention that, there was a study that was published just a couple days ago that pretty much said that exact same thing, check it out:
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/lf_nm_life/books_bachelors_dc_2[/url]
Personally, the only reason I think anyone should get married is to start a family. If you are not going to have children, what is the point of a marriage? I really don't understand childless, married couples. Maybe they get married to file their taxes jointly? Or to qualify for each others health insurance plans? Those are the only reasons I can think of.
[QUOTE=Ezinho]Funny you should mention that, there was a study that was published just a couple days ago that pretty much said that exact same thing, check it out:
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080602/lf_nm_life/books_bachelors_dc_2[/url]
Personally, the only reason I think anyone should get married is to start a family. If you are not going to have children, what is the point of a marriage? I really don't understand childless, married couples. Maybe they get married to file their taxes jointly? Or to qualify for each others health insurance plans? Those are the only reasons I can think of.[/QUOTE]
Actually I just think its a traditionalistic convention that people buy into.
Its mainly Western culture that debunks it and Western culture that made divorce a criminal act until recently in many places.
Its the ease of which a back-door can be opened out of a relationship , that many women use an escape clause when things aren't working out quite as planned.
For men it takes alot of nerve to even ASK a woman to marry them. In men's minds they understand that they are to give up other women and be faithful to only ONE woman. That's a tough pill to swallow if it backfires on you, so to us I think its a much larger RISK compared to the risk women take with marriage.
The State also encourages it because it helps them to continue to build up sources of money and continual workforce to replace the aging.
Its because of too few of children being born in Japan that is forcing many men and women well beyond Western retiring age to continue to work because there aren't enough young educated people in the workforce. Its a dark secret that Japanese businesses do not like to talk about, but I saw it on Frontline about a year or so ago.
In any event, there are good reasons to get married, however most of them are turned upside down by your wife's divorce lawyer...
I would like children, not the main push but a big part of what I desire.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]....I found better looking and worst looking women since, but I don't regret letting her go, it will just take a better effort from me to dig deeper. I ulimately feel overseas will get me closer to what I want, than wading through American women or even Westernized EE women already in Los Angeles (already been down that route..).[/QUOTE]
DJ I think you are a brother as I am and you seem to know a lot about European women as I about Asians. So what’s up with the Nordic women, what’s your experience with them? Their is a redheaded Norwegian cop I been seeing town...
[QUOTE=D Etat]DJ I think you are a brother as I am and you seem to know a lot about European women as I about Asians. So what’s up with the Nordic women, what’s your experience with them? Their is a redheaded Norwegian cop I been seeing town...[/QUOTE]
My experience is a bit limited....
I started chatting with one woman from Norway about two years ago, last year one of my main goals was to meet this woman, who was very cute and very BLOND, typical Nordic right? lol
Well it turns out I disappointed her physically I suppose and that was that.
Other than that -
My wingman and I were in the Oslo Airport waiting for our connecting flight to Bergen when two fairly attractive Swedish girls introduce themselves and sat down.
We had a bit of convo, nothing special. One girl had a slight acne problem but otherwise was very attractive. I kinda wanted to get at the one with the clearer complexion - :D
But me being in American Women mode still, I didn't think to get their contact information since I would be without a car while in Bergen and they were going up in the mountains to work for a retirement home (lack of nursing jobs in Sweden), shiet if I was an experienced traveler in Europe, I think I would have tried to talk them into hooking up with us and come back to America where they several THOUSAND high paying nursing jobs.
Would have had my Swedish delight, done, case closed and only visit the forum to say HI every so often, lol but it wasn't to be.
In Bergen I really only got out two nights and I could have pulled but as I was still used to typical American women's though patterns I wasn't aggressive and I believe I missed out on at least 3 chances to hook up.
In Oslo I met homegirl and it flopped as I said either. I didn't want to go back to Bergen (maybe I should have!) I went on to Sweden instead and met up with another girl I knew online. She turned out to be 6'0 and built like a Power Forward, that said she played Center for the Swedish Jr National team. She's actually of Finnish decent, not very cute in the face, huge tities, big ass, had a child. But when I imposed on her at the last minute I could only stay one night as her mother and daughter were coming back to town and she didn't to explain where I had come from.
So we went out for the day, did some shopping, she cooked, we talked, watched TV, went to bed (nothing happen), I woke up, we had breakfast and went out separate ways at the main train station in Stockholm.
That is what happen in Nordic-land while I was there, a miserable FAILURE.
Things I took away from it -
1) Be more aggressive
2) Find were the happing clubs are in Olso and Stockholm. I already know about Bergen, Norway...
3) Spend more time there.
I was there a grand total of 10 days between two countries and never got comfortable. I'm not shy, nor am I timid however fear of rejection gets the best of me and I really need to break away from that. I can't just count on internet contacts especially in Scandinavia because the best looking women do not look overseas for potential bf/husbands. I saw better looking women in person than I ever have seen on any of the dating sites I use. That would be the best advice I would give to somebody, go there and be aggressive you'll score.
American Woman looking for Asian male - 36 (Shangai)
Reply to: [email]pers-708738853@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2008-06-06, 1:35AM CT
Attractive and tall, blonde, looking for wealthy Asian guy to take care of me;I am educated and interested in art and antiques. You must be a man of means and interested in the finer things in life.
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Hmmmm
ES
[QUOTE=D Etat]DJ I think you are a brother as I am and you seem to know a lot about European women as I about Asians. So what’s up with the Nordic women, what’s your experience with them? Their is a redheaded Norwegian cop I been seeing town...[/QUOTE]
If you like your women to be very affectionate then Nordic women wouldn't be your cup of tea. They tend to be a bit cold and disengaged when it comes to relationships.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]If you like your women to be very affectionate then Nordic women wouldn't be your cup of tea. They tend to be a bit cold and disengaged when it comes to relationships.[/QUOTE]
I am not completely sure about that....
Americans bring a different culture and different experience. African-American break that down even further.
You will get a different reaction than l what another Nordic guy would get.
Just like Chicas react to you differently than they do the locals and I'm not talking about being treated as walking ATM.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]If you like your women to be very affectionate then Nordic women wouldn't be your cup of tea. They tend to be a bit cold and disengaged when it comes to relationships.[/QUOTE]
I am not looking for relationship with her I have a girl already. I just want to smash her :) Just thought I would ask for some info didn't want to go in green...
[QUOTE=D Etat]I am not looking for relationship with her I have a girl already. I just want to smash her :) Just thought I would ask for some info didn't want to go in green...[/QUOTE]
Smashing... yes, they're good for that but I doubt that the experience will exceed what you had in Asia. Anyhow, I guess it can't hurt to sample a bit of everything and add a few more fuck points to your score. Laying one should be no big deal. Expect all 3 holes to be available for smashing. ;)
Only a "FOOL" would respond to this ad!!
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]American Woman looking for Asian male - 36 (Shangai)
Reply to: [email]pers-708738853@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2008-06-06, 1:35AM CT
Attractive and tall, blonde, looking for wealthy Asian guy to take care of me;I am educated and interested in art and antiques. You must be a man of means and interested in the finer things in life.
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Hmmmm
ES[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eaglestar]American Woman looking for Asian male - 36 (Shangai)
Reply to: [email]pers-708738853@craigslist.org[/email]
Date: 2008-06-06, 1:35AM CT
Attractive and tall, blonde, looking for wealthy Asian guy to take care of me;I am educated and interested in art and antiques. You must be a man of means and interested in the finer things in life.
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Hmmmm
ES[/QUOTE]If she claims to be attractive & educated, then why can't she take care of her self? What a sham!
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Only a "FOOL" would respond to this ad!![/QUOTE]
Or some asian guy with tons of cash and a liking for white p*ssy.
In fact, I would expect to see a lot more of this as time goes buy. Especially if countries like China continue to amass wealth. There are always going to be those women who will head straight for the cash.
I mean, look at Heather Mills and Paul McCartney. She was like early 30's and he must have already been 60 when they met. You can't tell me his half-billion dollar fortune didn't have something to do with that.
Sometimes (but only rarely) I feel sorry for these super-rich guys. Especially the older ones. Deep down inside, most of them really just want love (aside from getting laid). But they can never know for certain, because there's so many hooker types out there.
If my marriage didn't work out, I don't think I'd even bother trying again. Why? Because I'm already in my mid 40's.... and am definitely not interested in women my own age (for reasons obvious to the ISG brethren). I seriously doubt that I'd be able to meet a younger woman who wasn't primarily interested in me as a meal ticket. Definitely not any girls from where I live and that's for sure.
In a way, we should appreciate the women who post such ads as the one mentioned. They are, in their own way, the honest ones. Any guy responding to that ad will, at the very least, know exactly what he's getting.
Rock
Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx
[QUOTE=Natasha]Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx[/QUOTE]
Some of us would love a verbal dressing down from someone named Natasha - go for it!
If you are a sex worker, you might want to check out the posts by Rubber Nursery along this thread - she has covered a lot of ground.
[QUOTE=Natasha]Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx[/QUOTE]
The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. Given the mission of this forum most women do not participate unless they provide sex to men for a nominal fee. Many of the men on this forum have heard plenty from the female point of view. In coming here they've found "their place" and are not interested in the feminist point of view. They are a band of brothers who have decided to play by their own rules rather than those of the increasingly female dominated society in which we live. Being a woman you may find some of the views expressed here to be offensive. The female point of view is generally the same. They all want something in return for sex. The only variable is the quantity of compensation they demand in return for sexual favors.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. Given the mission of this forum most women do not participate unless they provide sex to men for a nominal fee. Many of the men on this forum have heard plenty from the female point of view. In coming here they've found "their place" and are not interested in the feminist point of view. They are a band of brothers who have decided to play by their own rules rather than those of the increasingly female dominated society in which we live. Being a woman you may find some of the views expressed here to be offensive. The female point of view is generally the same. They all want something in return for sex. The only variable is the quantity of compensation they demand in return for sexual favors.[/QUOTE]
Man you should write a book.
I agree with you Sir Chocha Monger, the last thing we need is female intervention.
Hanging out in Kabul, Afghanistan I was conversing with an Afghan jeweler about some Platinum pieces when a young American female soldier approached us carrying a couple of boxes of US mail. The nice person in me started to approach her to office assistance but then something in me said don’t help her she would probably just think you are flirting and I didn’t. This was just one of the moments of dealing with American women that I avoided her to avoid the so called entitlement attitude.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]If you are a sex worker, you might want to check out the posts by Rubber Nursery along this thread - she has covered a lot of ground.[/QUOTE]
Thanks JD. :)
Natasha...feel free to comment on whatever you like. This is the 'opinions' section of a public forum, so unless you're advertising commercial services or insulting other members, you have just as much right to participate as anyone else.
That said, if you want to comment on [i]this particular thread[/i], please keep in mind that much of what you say will likely be contradicted, condemned, or straight out ignored. Over the years, the AW thread has been a place for thoughtful discussion about relationships with the opposite sex, through to a place of public execution for any woman foolish enough to step in front of the firing squad, depending on the individual personalities of the members posting at the time. At the moment, I'd say it tends towards the latter.
If it's prostitution you're interested in, I'd suggest you stick with the more gender-diverse 'Morality of Prostitution' thread. If male/female relationships is more your thing, then by all means post in this section, but make sure you're wearing your Kevlar vest. Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some men on this thread who appreciate a female point of view and value a woman's advice on certain matters - they're just more likely to PM you than speak to you in public. Welcome to the ISG, Natasha. :)
[QUOTE=Natasha]Hi Guys,
I have just joined and have been following this thread. Not sure i'm allowed to chat here? Where are the women? It's always nice to hear points of views from both sex
Nat xx[/QUOTE]
Welcome to this thread Natasha. I agree with ya, it's great to hear both points of view.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Thanks JD. :)
Natasha...feel free to comment on whatever you like. This is the 'opinions' section of a public forum, so unless you're advertising commercial services or insulting other members, you have just as much right to participate as anyone else.
That said, if you want to comment on [i]this particular thread[/i], please keep in mind that much of what you say will likely be contradicted, condemned, or straight out ignored. Over the years, the AW thread has been a place for thoughtful discussion about relationships with the opposite sex, through to a place of public execution for any woman foolish enough to step in front of the firing squad, depending on the individual personalities of the members posting at the time. At the moment, I'd say it tends towards the latter.
If it's prostitution you're interested in, I'd suggest you stick with the more gender-diverse 'Morality of Prostitution' thread. If male/female relationships is more your thing, then by all means post in this section, but make sure you're wearing your Kevlar vest. Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some men on this thread who appreciate a female point of view and value a woman's advice on certain matters - they're just more likely to PM you than speak to you in public. Welcome to the ISG, Natasha. :)[/QUOTE]Thanks for that, I think I will give this thread a miss!
I am an escort but that is only one part of my life, I consider the rest of my life to be pretty normal as in relationships/ men, though at the moment I'm single. Reading this thread I now know why! No offence meant!
Nat xxx
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. .[/QUOTE]
Good point. I agree there's no shortage of a women's perspective in this world.
Still, you can read basically every post on this specific "American Women" thread and find nothing that's going to help you get laid. On the contrary, the reality of this specific thread, "American Women", it covers a pretty wide range, but if anything, it's emphasis [i]discourages[/i] men from having sex with AWs.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]Good point. I agree there's no shortage of a women's perspective in this world.
Still, you can read basically every post on this specific "American Women" thread and find nothing that's going to help you get laid. On the contrary, the reality of this specific thread, "American Women", it covers a pretty wide range, but if anything, it's emphasis [i]discourages[/i] men from having sex with AWs.[/QUOTE]
JD:
Then perhaps we should petition our king to change that statement to the following: The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women while preserving their dignity and fiscal integrity.
Shinobi:
Interesting that you should mention the Vagina Monologues. That piece of feminist propaganda was developed to encourage women to use their vagina as a tool of empowerment over men. Strangely enough, many men experience the first breach of trust between male and female as newborns when mom hands them over to a stranger who proceeds to slash the foreskin off their little penis with a scalpel. Yet still, one doesn't hear about any penile epilogues and such. One of the most common threats angry females use against males is, "I will cut your dick off!"
[QUOTE=Natasha]Thanks for that, I think I will give this thread a miss!
I am an escort but that is only one part of my life, I consider the rest of my life to be pretty normal as in relationships/ men, though at the moment I'm single. Reading this thread I now know why! No offence meant!
Nat xxx[/QUOTE]
That's a shame, because some of these boys really need a good kick up the arse from someone wearing stilettos. :)
I didn't mean to discourage you from posting. I just wanted you to be forewarned. Again, this is the opinions section of the ISG and you have as much right to an opinion on male/female relations as the boys do. If you have something to say, just say it! And if the boys don't play nice, please come join us on the Morality thread (which has very little to do with morality - it's basically a free-for-all discussion and [i]always[/i] welcomes female input).
I always enjoy RN's input as she doesn't always agree with the entitlement nonsense that has all over Western culture.
Having the input is good and the women that come under fire here are usually dressed down for good reason.
Welcome Natasha
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] Having the input is good and the women that come under fire here are usually dressed down for good reason.
Welcome Natasha[/QUOTE]
I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. If she feels that men standing up to injustice and defending our rights and dignity would result in her 'dying', then perhaps it is best that she does give this thread a miss.
Of course offense was meant when she said that the male opinions expressed in this thread are a reason why she is still single. Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.
Natasha hasn't disclosed where she escorts, but I am surprised she is successful enough to keep doing it. Based on the reports here, escorts with that type of attitude don't get much repeat business.
[QUOTE=George90]I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. If she feels that men standing up to injustice and defending our rights and dignity would result in her 'dying', then perhaps it is best that she does give this thread a miss.
Of course offense was meant when she said that the male opinions expressed in this thread are a reason why she is still single. Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.
Natasha hasn't disclosed where she escorts, but I am surprised she is successful enough to keep doing it. Based on the reports here, escorts with that type of attitude don't get much repeat business.[/QUOTE]I am English, live and work in the UK, all over the Uk.
I have many regular clients which is why I travel all over. My regs are my main source of clients.
They say they like coming back as i'm laid back, friendly and easy to get on with. I think most of all I don't judge them!!! As I don't judge ayone which is why at first I found this thread interesting then quite annoying!
No doubt you have your opinions on English women, there are fakes, gold diggers the world over, men and women, but I wouldn't judge them all by a few or quite a few! If I was to be that way inclined I would be a lesbian! ( due to my ex's behavoir.
The being single bit was meant that if ALL men were to judge, then that's why i'm single, nothing else.
Nat xxxx
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]That's a shame, because some of these boys really need a good kick up the arse from someone wearing stilettos. :)
I didn't mean to discourage you from posting. I just wanted you to be forewarned. Again, this is the opinions section of the ISG and you have as much right to an opinion on male/female relations as the boys do. If you have something to say, just say it! And if the boys don't play nice, please come join us on the Morality thread (which has very little to do with morality - it's basically a free-for-all discussion and [i]always[/i] welcomes female input).[/QUOTE]I only kick people up the ass if they pay me! I'm an expert at doing Domination! According to someone here I probably don't get repeat business as I have a voice! Most of my clients are regs! If they checked my website and feedback on AW they would see! A sense of humor goes along way!
Here in England, we have a tv programe called Grumpy old men.
Nat xxxx
[QUOTE=George90]I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. If she feels that men standing up to injustice and defending our rights and dignity would result in her 'dying', then perhaps it is best that she does give this thread a miss.
Of course offense was meant when she said that the male opinions expressed in this thread are a reason why she is still single. Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.
Natasha hasn't disclosed where she escorts, but I am surprised she is successful enough to keep doing it. Based on the reports here, escorts with that type of attitude don't get much repeat business.[/QUOTE]
Maybe....
She is more than likely single because she's in an area where she can't be honest about what she does and has found she can't limit her availability as some workers tend to do when they are dating somebody.
Dayum even the sex workers don't give us a fair shake huh?
AW escorts aren't worth the time, or the effort!
I enjoy this thread. I get to hear from guys who are in similar situations as I am. Most of what I've read on here is fact and not some concocted scheme to brutalize women. We are everyday people telling everyday stories at least that is how it comes across to me.
I appreciate the contributions that rubber nursey has made. The majority of her posts are un biased and those that are biased are written with a light sense of humor. Although I must say the mother image ie. " Some of these guys need a good kick in the arse" is not necessary and rather mundane. If anyone needs anything in their ass it's an AW.
Natasha sounds boring and typical. I will however give her posts a glance if they are not too long.
I think something that doesn't get said too often on this thread is most of us are not out to attack women to make them feel like shit but to let out our frustrations . We demonstrate how ugly gender relations are in the western world. Most of us travel so we have the experience to differentiate between the two.
I find most of the guys on here are decent guys who work hard to earn a living and they want a companion and a little romance in their lives. Thats all I want. I can cook do my own laundry clean my house and dress myself better or equal than any women could. I want a female buddy with whom I can share some good times and responsibilities. I'd like her to *want to have sex with me as I would with her.
I was raised to think that men are dogs but that isn't true. I find most american men to be more prone to romance than women.
I can't remember who said it I think george 90 but there was a previous post about how advanced women have become and how it will take generations of failed lives for western women to understand what effect they have on society . It will have an effect on the economy future gender relations homosexuality etc. etc. As we all know we are now feeling the demise of western culture . It will only get worse if this continues.
I am 38 years old I've never been married and I have no kids. I am disgusted with most of the women I meet in america and quite often abroad. Its all about money and security and although I appreciate the kindness I get from foreign women I don't trust them either. I find it depressing that they like me because I can provide for them. However I am happy to get my dick wet and I will treat them with respect because after all we are both getting something out of it.
I don't know if I could ever live with a women again. I see things differently now. If anything I'd like to have a girlfriend with her own place. I just don't have the patience or desire to go through the mental crap.
The only thing that would change that is true love. If I don't find that then it's smut city for me.
This has nothing to do with this post but have you ever noticed how many women own dogs instead of having boyfriends ? It seems like everywhere I go I see little men on a leash.
[QUOTE=George90]I was neutral until Natasha responded with her 'Death Wish' post. ...Her post had the same air of condescension that drive most of us AM to seek foreign women.[/QUOTE]
Her 'death wish' comment was presumably in reference to my firing squad comment and advice to wear a Kevlar vest. Which was apparently warranted. Natasha popped her head in and politely [i]asked[/i] if she could join in conversation and was promptly shot down by three posters. I don't blame her for feeling put out by that response. You didn't find Chocha's rant just the littlest bit 'condescending'?
The purpose of this forum is to IMPROVE your chances of getting laid, not alienate yourselves from women completely. I think it's high time we had a dedicated 'male/female relationships' thread, where women and men can have adult conversations about where we're going wrong and what we can learn from each other. The bitter and twisted amongst you can stay here and wallow in your (largely self-inflicted) collective misery.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Although I must say the mother image ie. " Some of these guys need a good kick in the arse" is not necessary and rather mundane.[/QUOTE]
I didn't actually mean that literally - I was thinking more of a B&D, 'these naughty boys need to be punished by a hot chick in stilettos' scenario. Maybe I should have said you need a good spanking. Either way, it was supposed to be light-hearted, not 'motherly'. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I don't know if I could ever live with a women again. I see things differently now. If anything I'd like to have a girlfriend with her own place. I just don't have the patience or desire to go through the mental crap.[/QUOTE]
I have reached exactly the same point in my own life. This is why I'd love to have a space where this sort of problem can be openly discussed by men AND women, without either side being shot down. I think many of us are in the same place.
This is what "vagina" means for American Women:
V=Vindictive
A=Agonizing
G=Game Playing
I=Immature
N=Nutty
A=Antagonists
Two of the vowels above play huge parts in the high divorce rates
in western culture.
Want more ? Watch an episode of "Sex & the city","Army Wives",& "Desperate Housewives" I must warn you, it will turn your stomach!
For relief, watch the DVD: In The Realm of the senses.
[QUOTE=Natasha]Thanks for that, I think I will give this thread a miss!
I am an escort but that is only one part of my life, I consider the rest of my life to be pretty normal as in relationships/ men, though at the moment I'm single. Reading this thread I now know why! No offence meant!
Nat xxx[/QUOTE]
Ah interesting, an escort.
I Usually find escorts (and whatever other type of pro) to be a lot more understanding of men. They often see us at our worst and sometimes when we're not so bad.
Sex-workers see a lot more guys (in a sexual context) than the average girl. They also benefit financially from the male desire for sex, so they tend to be a lot more understanding of that aspect of the male psyche as well.
Natasha comes across more like a non-pro. That last post indicates the typical AW attitude. As in " I'm single and I'm normal and the reason I'm single is because the average guy ( that's us ) is somehow deficient.... and therefore not good enough for me".
Dear, if you really are an escort, your life can't be that normal can it? Did your last BF know how you make your money? Did any of them know? Will the next one know? That's a hard thing for most guys to deal with. I could do it, but then I'd probably be classified as something of a sexual/social deviant :D .
Don't take what you read here too seriously.... or at least try and read between the lines. A lot of guys here have been hurt, frustrated to the point where they have given up on trying to have a so-called normal relationship. Yeah, some of them are just being picky but I'm sure many of them would give anything to find a nice average woman they could get along with.
And, if in the future, you find yourself single again..... it might partly be something to do with you. It can't always be the other persons fault right?
Rock
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]......Don't take what you read here too seriously.... or at least try and read between the lines. A lot of guys here have been hurt, frustrated to the point where they have given up on trying to have a so-called normal relationship. Yeah, some of them are just being picky but I'm sure many of them would give anything to find a nice average woman they could get along with.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Yeah what you are saying here is dead on...Even though I am in a normal relationship I still say mongering is the better option when you weigh the the pros and cons.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Her 'death wish' comment was presumably in reference to my firing squad comment and advice to wear a Kevlar vest. Which was apparently warranted. Natasha popped her head in and politely [i]asked[/i] if she could join in conversation and was promptly shot down by three posters. I don't blame her for feeling put out by that response. You didn't find Chocha's rant just the littlest bit 'condescending'?
The purpose of this forum is to IMPROVE your chances of getting laid, not alienate yourselves from women completely. I think it's high time we had a dedicated 'male/female relationships' thread, where women and men can have adult conversations about where we're going wrong and what we can learn from each other. The bitter and twisted amongst you can stay here and wallow in your (largely self-inflicted) collective misery.[/QUOTE]
I have a former co-worker a really good guy who left a career in the military near retirement because of his ex-wife. He then joins the private sector working two jobs to make ends meet then she complained he was never home. She verbally abused the man and bought another man drinks and stored them at his house and left them in the fridge. (I don’t advocate beating women but if that was me….)When he started to stand up to her philandering behavior she asked for a divorce even through this entire ordeal he begged her to reconsider. She got everything his house, his car his two kids plus Alimony. He was then forced to move to rough side of town and live in a flea bag struggling to feed himself.
He lands the job where I met him and works his way back and is making decent money then she finds out about it through the kids asking where he is. She takes him back to court and gets more money because of the salary of our position. You think this guy still has a positive outlook towards women?
I have to ask…How the fuck was his and many like him misery self inflicted?
Rubbery Nursery I respect your comments and love your post hell I even asked you questions myself… but I think you were out of bounds right there.
My Two.
How about cats? Fish? Birds?
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]
This has nothing to do with this post but have you ever noticed how many women own dogs instead of having boyfriends ? It seems like everywhere I go I see little men on a leash.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=D Etat]Rubbery Nursery I respect your comments and love your post hell I even asked you questions myself… but I think you were out of bounds right there.[/QUOTE]
My comment was that the [i]bitter and twisted amongst you[/i] can wallow in your collective (largely self-inflicted) misery, while the rest of us go to another thread and engage in meaningful conversation.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who's noticed SOME of the men on this thread have huge chips on their shoulders. If they treat women in real life the same way they do here, then it's little wonder they aren't getting laid and yes...I would consider their loneliness to be largely self-inflicted.
As for what your co-worker went through, I think you'd be battling to find someone on this site who HASN'T been through that shit. Myself included. I started wh*ring after leaving a violent drunk husband and almost ending up homeless while struggling to pay off HIS debts that had somehow attached themselves to me. And that's just one in a long line of failed relationships. Do I hate all men because of it? No. I'm cautious and slow to trust these days, but I try to see every new man with a fresh eye and an open mind.
Wallowing in self pity and tarring all men/women with the same brush isn't helpful. It just pushes people further away and perpetuates the cycle of disappointment and loss. That's what I meant by self-inflicted misery.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Her 'death wish' comment was presumably in reference to my firing squad comment and advice to wear a Kevlar vest. Which was apparently warranted. Natasha popped her head in and politely [i]asked[/i] if she could join in conversation and was promptly shot down by three posters. I don't blame her for feeling put out by that response. [b]You didn't find Chocha's rant just the littlest bit 'condescending'?[/b] [/QUOTE]
No. I did not find Chocha's posts condescending to Natasha or to women. I found them to be harsh, unfriendly, and inappropriately hostile. I felt they were also clear, to the point, and 'unvieled'. By 'unveiled' I mean that Chocha expressed his displeasure honestly and to Natasha's face. He did not smile at her face and then stab her in the back with 'veiled' statements.
[QUOTE=Natasha]I only kick people up the ass if they pay me! I'm an expert at doing Domination! According to someone here I probably don't get repeat business as I have a voice! Most of my clients are regs! If they checked my website and feedback on AW they would see! [b]A sense of humor goes along way![/b]
Here in England, we have a tv programe called Grumpy old men.
Nat xxxx[/QUOTE]
Few of the men here are submissives. We too have a voice!
In what direction does your sense of humour go? I have found that far too many people who complain about people like me, who have limited senses of humour, enjoy humour that degrades and humiliates others. Their jokes are nothing more than veiled insults.
Again, I was neutral about you until your posts started to reveal who you are. When a member makes intelligent, respectful posts, he/she will get intelligent, respectful responses from those members who do not have 'issues'. Those members with 'issues' get flamed regularly, and sometimes banned.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I was raised to think that men are dogs but that isn't true.[/QUOTE]
Can I ask where that came from? Your family, your school, the media...?
I can't tell you how horrified I was to read that comment. That's awful.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]My comment was that the [i]bitter and twisted amongst you[/i] can wallow in your collective (largely self-inflicted) misery, while the rest of us go to another thread and engage in meaningful conversation.
I'm sure I'm not the only person who's noticed SOME of the men on this thread have huge chips on their shoulders. If they treat women in real life the same way they do here, then it's little wonder they aren't getting laid and yes...I would consider their loneliness to be largely self-inflicted.
As for what your co-worker went through, I think you'd be battling to find someone on this site who HASN'T been through that shit. Myself included. I started wh*ring after leaving a violent drunk husband and almost ending up homeless while struggling to pay off HIS debts that had somehow attached themselves to me. And that's just one in a long line of failed relationships. Do I hate all men because of it? No. I'm cautious and slow to trust these days, but I try to see every new man with a fresh eye and an open mind.
Wallowing in self pity and tarring all men/women with the same brush isn't helpful. It just pushes people further away and perpetuates the cycle of disappointment and loss. That's what I meant by self-inflicted misery.[/QUOTE]
Your quite correct RN as usual...
I am alone, but not lonely there's a difference...
Much of it self-inflicted because if I settled, I would be miserable!
I don't understand why a British hooker would be interested in a thread about American women. Similarly I like RN but she is often way off base because she isn't American and has never even been there.
British men are a bunch of snobbish poofs but I wouldn't waste time participating in a thread discussing same.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Can I ask where that came from? Your family, your school, the media...?
I can't tell you how horrified I was to read that comment. That's awful.[/QUOTE]
It was all around me like I am sure it was for many other americans.
By the way YES that is awful.
[QUOTE=D Etat]
He lands the job where I met him and works his way back and is making decent money then she finds out about it through the kids asking where he is. She takes him back to court and gets more money because of the salary of our position.[/QUOTE]
These kinds of stories about divorce play an important part of the discussion on this thread, but I've had a couple of close friends go through divorces with American women and the experiences were not as bad as all that. It seems like if children are involved it's significantly more painful.
One of my buddies thinks his ex-wife is "insane", but I've never heard him complain about alimony or the kids. He is a lawyer, and not stupid, so maybe he was able to work the system more effectively than an average guy.
Still, the thing that shocks me most about the divorces my friends have gone through is how mundane and uninteresting they seem to be. Just part of the fabric of everyday life, nothing like the movies. When I was a kid, a divorce was something interesting and dramatic, but today, as an adult, it's so much less so.
Anyway. RN. What makes you think a constructive discussion of male and female issues is going to take place within a forum dedicated so significantly to prostitution? It doesn't seem to me that the men who post here are interested in "serious" relationships, while the women who post are, for the most part, mercenaries in the game of love.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]What makes you think a constructive discussion of male and female issues is going to take place within a forum dedicated so significantly to prostitution? It doesn't seem to me that the men who post here are interested in "serious" relationships, while the women who post are, for the most part, mercenaries in the game of love.[/QUOTE]I for one am not at all interested in "improving my game" or how to change myself so that I can pick up women better. I as well as most other forum members know what the overall situation with western women is and what it takes to "get laid". Doesnt mean we necessarily want to do it. There are those that prefer to pay money for sex instead.
I would definitely welcome a female members honest advice on how to save a few bucks on a session, get overall better service from a provider and best way to check for STDs on them. I am sure that Natasha or other female members will get a lot more respect and be welcomed if they can assist us in matters of business P4P not personal relationships.
DH: Much of the discussion in this thread focuses on the flaws of 'western women' and the feminist impact on 'western society'. Aussie, Brit and European men also contribute. I generally avoid butting in when the discussion is more AW-specific.
JD: Because we (hookers and mongers) see the world differently. Many of us have alternative views on 'traditional' relationships and/or what constitutes 'normal' sexual behaviour. The Morality thread spends over half its time discussing personal relationships, like having working girlfriends, or being found in a massage parlour by your wife, or dealing with the guilt of living a P4P 'double life'. (Imagine the response some of those questions would get in a 'real life' relationships forum!) I think there's more than enough interest in the topic to sustain its own thread.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]DH: Much of the discussion in this thread focuses on the flaws of 'western women' and the feminist impact on 'western society'. Aussie, Brit and European men also contribute. I generally avoid butting in when the discussion is more AW-specific.
JD: Because we (hookers and mongers) see the world differently. Many of us have alternative views on 'traditional' relationships and/or what constitutes 'normal' sexual behaviour. The Morality thread spends over half its time discussing personal relationships, like having working girlfriends, or being found in a massage parlour by your wife, or dealing with the guilt of living a P4P 'double life'. (Imagine the response some of those questions would get in a 'real life' relationships forum!) I think there's more than enough interest in the topic to sustain its own thread.[/QUOTE]
Again I agreed, I am not a monger (at least I don't believe so)
Its because save for most of Europe, sex is a taboo subject and paying for it carries a large burden with it as well. When you try to tell dummies that they are paying for it too, they scoff and justify that cost as a part of dating and if you end up not having sex that's just goes with the territory...
Overall we have some interesting people on here.
Some posters want to visit remote countries just for P4P, while bypassing great locations for the hobby such as Germany, Thailand or Brasil.
Why would you wanna go to a country or a location where P4P is largely non-existent and you'll have an easier time getting it from "freebies"??
I would say that a good 80% of the forum does not look like Jabba The Hut, so you really shouldn't have any problems pulling "normal" women. No reason to go to some remote town in Moldova for example, were as a "stranger" you'll generally be rejected and with the local P4P trade overcharged.
But I digress -
Providers only have a different mindset because they get to see a side of men that many other women don't. Plus they can't be high and mighty about a career choice that others take opinion with and have arguments about it on "Dr Phil".
But I dunno, why won't escorts and porn stars date me??? Am I not looking in the right place? I live in Porn Valley (San Fernando Valley) I know there "around" here, instead of dating some dirt bag, why not me???? lol
Oh well..
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]It was all around me like I am sure it was for many other americans. By the way YES that is awful.[/QUOTE]
Have to admit, I was slightly relieved to hear you say that. Your original comment gave me this mental image of your mother beating you with a stick, screaming 'all men are dogs'!
But the reality doesn't make it any less awful. The messages I grew up with were a happy blend of old and new, but that's all changed now, thanks largely to those same ideas and attitudes imported from the United States. This has really screwed with us as a nation, because gender roles are very closely tied in to who we are as Australians. We are not a 'Christian country' in the true sense. As a convict settlement in a harsh and isolated environment, our values and culture were moulded by adversity, not doctrine.
Women had an important role to play in society. We weren't pretty playthings who embroidered hankies while our menfolk worked and we still aren't. We have always been emancipated. Many of the messages coming from America just don't fit with Australian values and culture, which has resulted in mass confusion. Women's rights actually appear to be going backwards in this country. Women who want to stay home and raise children are being forced into the workforce. Our beautiful rough diamond Aussie blokes are being encouraged to behave and dress like 'sensitive new age guys'. American concepts like alimony and censorship and political correctness are sneaking into our lives, even though none of us seem to agree with them.
Our once symbiotic male/female relationships - traditional and equal at the same time - have been decimated. Nobody knows what their role is any more. While I wouldn't say that Australian men are being raised to think they're dogs just yet, they ARE being raised to think the Australian idea of masculinity is wrong - based on the American (female) idea of how a woman should be treated and how a man should behave. Australian culture is often described as sexist by Americans, but they just don't understand how it works. Now our men are being made to look like drunken misogynist fools in our media. Time-honoured 'sexist' Aussie traditions like the skimpy (lingerie-clad barmaids) are being regulated into non-existence.
Sorry. I'll shut up now. :) But this is a subject I feel really passionate (and angry) about, which is why I often pop my head into this thread when the topic is being debated. This insane battle of the sexes needs to stop before our entire way of life comes crashing down around our ears.
[QUOTE=Natasha]I...Most of my clients are regs! If they checked my website and feedback on AW they would see![/QUOTE]Hi Natasha,
Like you I'm a newcomer to ISG. Posters on this site seem to use a lot of acronyms, and AW generally seems to mean "American women". I suspect you meant "AdultWork" - correct?
If so, I'm off to that site to look you up! I'm a British punter, and use Adultwork almost exclusively when I'm looking for fun - I've posted a dozen or so Field Reports there. I like to think that I respect the wonderful women I've met via that site, and I'm aghast at some of the misogynistic opinions I'm reading here.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]British men are a bunch of snobbish poofs[/QUOTE]I'd like to think that your tongue was in your cheek when you wrote that, but I fear that it wasn't. But as someone else said, maybe it's best not to take anything written here too seriously ;)
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First my cell phone, now my sex site! Is this a joke? Dude, I hope your first post is your last.
Hmm.... RN makes a good point about the strange and unique phenomenon of American "exportation" of its culture around the world - for better or for worse.
American television, music and products seem to inevitably infiltrate other countries and cultures. I can't tell you how annoying it is to walk into a bar in Eastern Europe and they're blaring Elvis, the Beach Boys, etc. I mean, here I am in Vienna, the home of Strauss and the Waltz and I'm listening to California surf music. Oh yeah, then at your hotel you turn on the TV and they have Cheers on with Sam Malone dubbed in German???
OK, I can live with this but we also export vile stuff like alimony, feminism, political correctness and all kinds of other cultural misery and buzz words. This invariably leads to conflcit and confrontation when these issues filter over to other countries and cultures. Hey, maybe in the next several decades the rest of the world will be as miserable as we American men!
Paddy
Here, check out this American kunt:
"I am 44 and have attracted cheap men all of my life. Looking back, I realize that my boyfriends were cheap. My husband is cheap (we live comfortably), my lovers have all been cheap with me, but what's even more painful is that they have told me about the gifts they bought for their wives and former mistresses.
My current lover and I have been together for more than two years. He is a successful physician and enjoys a nice lifestyle. I have enough "things," but it is the attention and thought that counts, and I think that a long-term relationship warrants gift-giving "just because" — to make your lover happy.
He once said that he is afraid that my husband would see a present and question it, and I assured him that I would make sure my husband didn't see it. He also said I should not give him anything because his wife might see it. I need to know what I am doing wrong."
What are you doing wrong? Breathing, for one thing!
Hey Paddy, are you still marooned in SP? What's up with all of that?
[QUOTE=Paddy] inevitably infiltrate [/QUOTE]
It's the same deal here in the United States with Austrian culture - it's seems like every Sunday morning you can't walk into a cafe without hearing Mozart. And everybody is trying to "psychoanalyze" this or that. And there's an Austrian Governor of the U.S. state of California - home of so much of the culture we use for "infiltration". Freakin Austrians, almost as bad as the Australians. Why can't they just leave us alone?
Hard to view Mozart as Austrian since there was no Austria back then. Now Schwarznegger should be killed.
RN, I've been saying on this thread for a LONG time that I think many posters' anger is WAY misplaced. They bring the gender thing into it just like in America the race thing finds its way into everything, no matter how grossly inappropriate.
People should be concerned about the machine that's eating societies up from the inside out, and our bleak outlook for the future in general instead of hating on each other for stupid bullshit.
For the record, I'm divorced, we settled out of court, I pay on time like a responsible motherfucker and my ex doesn't bother me. I'm there a lot for the kids, as much as I can be, and when I can't watch the kids and she needs somebody she finds somebody else.
JD,
I once read that over 50% of American college students who were randomly sampled in one study thought that Austria and Australia were the same country. Man, that's scary stuff.
Paddy
Yeah, well, try living in Buenos Aires, Argentina and listening to your allegedly college educated American women friends saying shit like, "I could never live in the tropics"; "Don't you get tired of all the spicy food?"; "Aren't you worried about earthquakes?" and similar ignorant bullshit. It is like everything south of the Rio Grande all the way to Tierra del Fuego is one big Mexico. My American men friends never ask these stupid questions. They just say, "Dude. Argentina? Whatever. Want another beer?"
But when I went to Australia, the immigration agent asked me if I had any criminal record and I said, "I didn't know I still needed one." He was not amused and I got taken to a special place where I received special treatment. So probably don't do that. I thought it was funny at the time and now, 8 years later, I still think it was funny.
But I know it is not the same country as Austria because when I went to Austria I froze my ass off whereas in Australia I baked my brain.
With all the controversy surrounding the Hogan family in regards to Nick Hogan's current slammer status, his mom, recently filed for divorce, & is now dating a 19 year old guy.
Like many AW, even as they age, they still want to act like they are teenagers! What do you guys think ? Are AW's attention sluts?
Gene Simmons, Israel born, former immigrant (Has been a citizen most of his life). He's a multi-millionaire recording artist & entrepreneur. He's been with Canadian born model Shannon Tweed for over 20 years, they have 2 kidz, 1 of whom is grown, the other soon to follow. The punchline: He has yet to marry Shannon's ass, and he doesn't believe in marriage! Heck, once his other kid is grown & moves out the house, Shannon can leave also: No child support or "Vagina-Money"! Rock on Gene!
[QUOTE=D Etat]Man you should write a book.[/QUOTE]
I plan on doing that in the future once I take up permanent residence outside of the US.
Duh. That is why I said it.
[QUOTE=Tarius Shinobi]With all the controversy surrounding the Hogan family in regards to Nick Hogan's current slammer status, his mom, recently filed for divorce, & is now dating a 19 year old guy.
Like many AW, even as they age, they still want to act like they are teenagers! What do you guys think ? Are AW's attention sluts?[/QUOTE]
Don't we men in this forum discuss ways to get the attention of 18, 19, 20 yo hotties in various places in the world?
I think most of us try to be more discreet than Mrs. Hogan.
Guys. Check this out. An american women that married five times. Killing all five husband. The sheriff finally investigate this biatch after thinking that she maybe the cause of death for all five husband.
[quote]CHARLOTTE, North Carolina (AP) -- Police may have ignored a warning years ago that a woman with five dead spouses was trying to hire a hit man to kill one of the men, investigators in North Carolina said Monday.
Betty Johnson Neumar is shown at her booking. She is charged with hiring a hit man to kill her husband.
Authorities charged 76-year-old Betty Neumar last month with one count of solicitation of murder in the July 1986 death of Harold Gentry. Gentry's brother had begged investigators for two decades to take another look at the case.
Stanly County sheriff's investigators believe Neumar tried to hire several people to kill Gentry. Lead detective Scott Williams said Monday his office is looking into the possibility that one of those would-be hit men went to authorities before Gentry's death, but no one took him seriously.
"That's another aspect we're looking into," Williams said, declining to elaborate.
Former Stanly County sheriff Ralph McSwain, who was in office when Gentry was killed, is recovering from a stroke and said he doesn't remember much about the case. He said the sheriff's detective who handled the investigation of the case is dead.
"This was a long time ago," McSwain said. "Could someone have come forward with information before it happened? Sure. I just don't know."
Neumar has been married five times since the 1950s, but each union ended with the death of her husband. Investigators want authorities elsewhere to look into the deaths. Williams said investigators have uncovered a common link among the victims: They all had military experience.
Neumar is being held on $500,000 bond in the Stanly County jail. A clerk in the county clerk of courts office said Monday that Neumar does not yet have an attorney. Her daughter with Harold Gentry, who also lives in Augusta, has declined to comment.
Williams said that detectives believe Harold Gentry was Neumar's fourth husband. She and her third husband, Richard "Dick" Sills, were living in the Florida Keys when he was shot to death in 1965, Williams said. At the time, police said his death was the result of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. But Williams said Neumar was the only person in the room when he died.
After his death, Neumar met Gentry in Florida. The couple married in the late 1960s in Georgia after he retired from the Army and moved to the town of Norwood, about an hour east of Charlotte.
Gentry was found shot to death inside the couple's home on July 14, 1986. Three years later, she married her fifth husband, John Neumar. He died in October, and authorities in Augusta, Ga., are investigating whether his death -- officially listed as sepsis, bacterial infection of the body's blood and tissues -- might have another cause, such as arsenic poisoning.
Williams said Neumar would wedge herself between family members and her victims to isolate them. She was cold to Gentry's brothers, who spent two decades trying to get the sheriff's department to reopen the case, they said. He was so isolated that his sons say they didn't know he had died until they read his obituary in the newspaper.
"It's heartbreaking," Williams said. "These people were very close and she moved in and stopped him from seeing them. It was really a hard story to hear."
Williams said he's still working to uncover as much as he can about Neumar's first two husbands, both of whom he said were from Ohio. One died in 1952, the other in 1955. He's also trying to piece together her life between her second husband's death and when she married Sills.
"Keep in mind that it appears that after each husband, she moved on. So she could just tell any story she wanted to tell," Williams said. "That's just what happened. She would come up with some pretty wild stories that she told about herself or what happened to her husbands."[/quote]
[QUOTE=George90]Don't we men in this forum discuss ways to get the attention of 18, 19, 20 yo hotties in various places in the world?
I think most of us try to be more discreet than Mrs. Hogan.[/QUOTE]
Sure many of the older mongers like the tenderloin. However, the issue is when a man does it he is called a dirty old man, pervert and other unflattering names but when a woman does it she is called an urban cougar. It's cool, its hip. She's getting her groove back. People hand her jumbo bottles of KY-Jelly and yell, "You go girl!"
I am probably an older monger, but not too into tenderloin. But, that is another reason I left the US. Dating younger women is much more common and acceptable in other countries. I can date someone say 20 years younger (which still ain't too young ha ha) and no one bats an eyelash. Totally normal. In the US only celebrities can do this.
[QUOTE=Paddy]OK, I can live with this but we also export vile stuff like alimony, feminism, political correctness and all kinds of other cultural misery and buzz words. This invariably leads to conflcit and confrontation when these issues filter over to other countries and cultures. Hey, maybe in the next several decades the rest of the world will be as miserable as we American men! [/QUOTE]Ok dont joke around with this sort of thing. The rest of the world is all we have left to get away from all the AW nonsense. I consider Americanism to be an infectious disease that is spreading to the entire world. It needs to be contained in these borders (or in this hemisphere at least). I will gladly trade hot dogs and football games to not have to deal with alimony or feminism.
I used to watch Star Trek and this reminds me of a memorable quote from the character Michael Eddington regarding the Federation (America, metaphorically):
"You know, in some ways you're worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious... you assimilate people and they don't even know it."
Cohabitation Not a Requirement for Palimony Claim, Says N.J. Supreme Court
Michael Booth - New Jersey Law Journal
Cohabitation is not an absolute requirement for a successful claim for palimony but is only one of a number of factors a judge should consider, the New Jersey Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday.
[url]http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202422341122[/url]
on father's day last sunday, barack obama gave a speech highlighting the lack of fathers in many families, especially black families. men are not behaving responsibly. we are behaving like boys.
today, a nytimes editorial continues on that theme but adds some data on us children born out of wedlock. the rate of single-mother births for blacks started to rise dramatically in 1965 after the passages of the anti-poverty programs. pregnant girls no longer needed to marry the father to have enough money to care for the baby. public assistance now did that. in 1960 the proportion of all births to black single mothers was under 10%. it reached 50% around 1978. according to this article, in 2006, 80% of all births to black women were to single mothers under 30 years old.
in 1960, births to single mothers in the us was at a rate of 6%. the article said the year 2006 was a milestone because in that year 50.4% of all birth in the us were to single mothers under 30 years old. for the first time in us history, a [b]majority[/b] of births are out-of-wedlock!
the breakdown by race/ethnicity was: blacks (non-hispanic) 80%, whites (non-hispanic) 33%, and hispanics 51%.
the article quotes academic studies that show that lower incomes for young men is the main factor in the rise in single mother births. it said nothing of the simultaneous rise in young women's incomes over the past 25 years. it said nothing of whether women are [b]voluntarily[/b] having children without husbands. for example, there was that pact made by teenage girls in massachussetts to get pregnant and raise their children together. none talked of marriage to the fathers!
men are less able to support families due to their falling incomes. women are more able to support families due to their rising incomes. ergo, more women are choosing to have families without the father. but according to society, all this is men's fault!
obama and the article writer did acknowledge that the us government needs to provide more incentives for marriage. as i see it, right now with the new california law, only gay american men have an incentive to marry in the us.
[QUOTE=George90] As I see it, right now with the new California law, only gay American men have an incentive to marry in the US.[/QUOTE]
What the hell was I thinking? I guess I was in the 20th percentile.
I actually married two Black women! Both disasters. It took until age forty to realize marriage in America does not work. I feel differently about that in reference to the rest of the world.
It would be nice to find an attactive woman that is aware of other things in life besides shoes,clothes and jewelry. And knows to avoid having to eat dog food in your golden years, you must save wisely and not sneak home everything in Macys.
It's one or the other guys, big tits or big brains. You can't get both!
NGZ -
You thought correctly!
Marriage makes sense, even in America, just don't marry an American woman...
Single Mothers are solely a product of your very poor sex education system, bottom line.
It has nothing to do with Welfare or Welfare Reform, people will abuse a system, its human nature. The problem is the Neo-Conservatives are always concerned with that small percentage of the population that will take advance of your "generosity" and not the majority that won't. The media likes to sensationalize anything that puts people of color in a negative light.
But the fact of the matter is, those young white girls having babies are not coming from poor backgrounds generally. In some cases they are, I know a few but their parents didn't put them out on the street. I'm not saying that happens in Brown or Black households either, but statistics don't lie, people of color make less money, have less money saved and no health care or at least not enough health care, so young woman are turning to local and state governments for help.
Look down the income scale and you'll see the poorer you are, the more likely you'll have single parents with children, DUH.
That's poor sex education and the Religious Reich at every turn trying to stop those of us that are progressive from teaching young people about sex, about birth control and how you properly use condoms - Period!
Even in other countries this isn't a problem, at least not one you hear publicly. There's no resentment among "tax payers" about paying to make sure we have don't have higher infant morality, which is already HIGHER than any other industrial country.
When people complain about taxes, I say go live in Denmark
When people complain about social welfare, I say go live in Saudi Arabia
When people not in the military scream for blood, I say go live in the middle east.
Holy Cow is our country a MESS
Took the old lady to the new movie 'Sex and the City' last night. One short riff in the movie just sent chills down my spin and reminded of this thread.
One of girls doesn't sleep with her husband for six months and thinks that is normal. Finally, during sex she tells him 'Get it over with already.' Well, of course he dismounts and shortly has an affair.
But of course this is a movie marketed primarily to AWs, so the guy comes whimpering back, begging forgiveness. Later he is slouched over in counseling before they make up.
Anyway, I've been outside the US for many, many years so can't really related to stories about AWs anymore. The movie shed some light on comments made on this thread.
Guys, don't take your girls to this one!! Haha.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]NGZ -
You thought correctly! Marriage makes sense, even in America, just don't marry an American woman...[/QUOTE]
What about the poor idiots with import models that took em for all they had?
Don't get me wrong, I love women. When I'm 65, I am smart enough to get a 50 yo that's still kinda hot and appreciative. Not a 23 yo that's VERY HOTand waiting for me to die or hit her while living in the US. Both which,will get her out of the deal. But the system now favors them. Esp in California. My point is -odds are against men.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Single Mothers are solely a product of your very poor sex education system, bottom line.[/QUOTE]
And poor parenting. Pregnant unmarried superstar role models,ect.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney] It has nothing to do with Welfare or Welfare Reform, people will abuse a system, its human nature. The problem is the Neo-Conservatives are always concerned with that small percentage of the population that will take advance of your "generosity" and not the majority that won't. The media likes to sensationalize anything that puts people of color in a negative light..[/QUOTE]
Okay..your opinion. Welfare has not been an issue since Duran-Duran first made girls wet. Anger is now towards the people breaching the border,not food stamp bearers. But I agree Neo-Cons will take this country towards Salem witch trials. They pull Republican purse strings.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
But the fact of the matter is, those young white girls having babies are not coming from poor backgrounds generally. In some cases they are, I know a few but their parents didn't put them out on the street. I'm not saying that happens in Brown or Black households either, but statistics don't lie, people of color make less money, have less money saved and no health care or at least not enough health care, so young woman are turning to local and state governments for help..[/QUOTE]
Ummm-ok. Lets hope they get the help they need. Again, society and technology are getting more influence on our children than good old fashioned parenting. I am a moderate. Old school ways are okay with me.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Look down the income scale and you'll see the poorer you are, the more likely you'll have single parents with children, DUH...[/QUOTE]
Yep..and I am a product of that ignorance. My dad was married, not to my mom. I don't even know of my parents education level. Yep,being Black is work.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
That's poor sex education and the Religious Reich at every turn trying to stop those of us that are progressive from teaching young people about sex, about birth control and how you properly use condoms - Period!
Even in other countries this isn't a problem, at least not one you hear publicly. There's no resentment among "tax payers" about paying to make sure we have don't have higher infant morality, which is already HIGHER than any other industrial country.
When people complain about taxes, I say go live in Denmark
When people complain about social welfare, I say go live in Saudi Arabia
When people not in the military scream for blood, I say go live in the middle east. Holy Cow is our country a MESS[/QUOTE]
ok...peace
Marriage used to make sense. It used to be an economic melding of two families to increase the overall wealth of both families combined (positive synergies). It no longer accomplishes that. It often accomplishes the increase in overall wealth of first, the people benefiting economically from the ceremony, such as jewelers, caterers, interior decorators, and so forth; and second of lawyers who write prenuptial agreements and then handle the inevitable subsequent divorces.
Now it is completely unnecessary. Some say it is necessary when children are involved. I say children are completely unnecessary. Also they are sticky and very expensive.
Your children will not take care of you when you are old. Get a dog instead. And get a vasectomy. Get your dog a vasectomy too. It is more expensive than having him castrated but god damn. Would you like to be castrated by your owner without any input into the decision? And do you want your bag just hanging empty in the wind?
Canadian born, now American MIWNF (Mother I would not fuck): She went from Bret Michaels to Tommy Lee,eventually to Kid Rock, to some guy. Tommy Lee & Kid Rock get into a fight at the MTV Awards. Now Pamela is back with Tommy Lee.
What a circle of lust around a chick! Those guys should know better!
Never fall in love with a Rock star groupie!
I must say based on what I've seen of my ex (who I'm on good terms with) trying to hook up again, I certainly do NOT think the deck is stacked in womens' favor here in NYC. Not at all, if anything it's STILL in the men's favor. It's just shitty all around though.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I certainly do NOT think the deck is stacked in womens' favor here in NYC.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.
There are plenty of American women out there - plenty of girls interested in a relationship and family. It's just that the prospects for American men are often better overseas. American men get to play out of thier league when they take the show on the road. This might be true for women as well, but, generally women are less likely to do that; less likely to tolerate foriegn guys then American men are to tolerate many foriegn women. I'd suggest it's easier for an American guy to get along with the telenovela games of, say, Colombian women than for American women to deal with Colombian machismo.
Well women have higher standards than men do, so they are more likely to suffer it out and do nothing about it. Men are also much more likely to ***** and whine about things like this, hence, this thread ;P
My ex confided to me that after our divorce she knew she had to land another guy quick because she said as she would age the chances of finding a decent guy would diminish. She was 35 and knew from her older girlfriends that it gets tougher very quick
Other women I know said they'd not found guys to their liking and would go to the bar when they were "in heat" but otherwise did not want a guy full time unless he was of "their standard". And our gringas are less likely than us gringos to outsource what we can't get made in america.
It's difficult for women but they have made it so for themselves, Sex and the City is not reality for the majority of gringas.
It's much easier being a middle aged 20 pound overweight guy, than a middle aged 20 pound overweight woman.
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Well women have higher standards than men do, so they are more likely to suffer it out and do nothing about it. Men are also much more likely to ***** and whine about things like this, hence, this thread ;P[/QUOTE]
Then why do so many AWs prefer to date losers (thugs and unemployed and so forth), if they have such high standards?
Could be lots of reasons. That unemployed thug could be RICH, for one :P
Women have high standards but they aren't any more monogamous than men. Women usually shoot for having a guy that takes care of them financially and another guy or guys to give them strong children, and that way get the best of both worlds. Just like guys usually shoot for one at home who can do the home stuff and a girl or girls outside who can take care of the fuck stuff. It's the same game and it's played much the same too.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Then why do so many AWs prefer to date losers (thugs and unemployed and so forth), if they have such high standards?[/QUOTE]
Umm because almost everything they do is based on "feel". That's fine with the subject matter; there basically no "Right" or "Wrong" answer for.
But with hard, logical subject matter, that simply doesn't work...
They date "exciting men"; losers (not economic losers, social degenerates would be more accurate) because they own lives lack any "excitement" worth mentioning.
Younger women tend to go places to hang out, smoke weed, drink beer and trying to get that "handsome" guy in the corner interested in them. That's average women. "Hot" women are used to things handed to them on a silver platter and men early on are taught to put this women on a pedestal. It makes them difficult to deal with as adults socially.
The average Western European woman lives a similar lifestyle, but their lives aren't wrecked by unexpected child birth and are better educated because going to college didn't put their parents in the poor house in the process, not to mention you never hear the phrase "Poor College Student" come out of the mouths of many Europeans in general, its a fact of life that just doesn't happen.
Women that get "Free Rides" have a sense of entitlement that makes them unsuitable to date unless your an Alpha Male with the same or more sense of entitlement when it comes to access to top level women.
If your Joe Blow Average Man, that means you struggle at various levels dating locally. I'm not saying you can't date and you don't get laid, those are not the points. I'm saying your choices are limited, either by social status, education or income level, its a tough road to hoe in America. I mean its amazing not only do we have to struggle with regular social stuff like health care, its the class divide that makes it hard for one to date effectively as well, unless your uber rich which eliminates many problems at once (while making new ones of course).
So while some people on other forums MOCK me for supporting "Taking The Show On The Road", this forum is real as reality gets, or where the "Rubber Meets The Road". Porn sells are HIGH for a reason, people (especially men) aren't getting laid! Its not the subject of actually having sex. If you drop your standards down far enough you can find women to have sex with.
Its being tired of dropping your standards just to have a relationship and a source of regular sexual activity.
The "Mockers" like to point out the fact at 37 I live at home.
In American culture you know that screams = LOOSER
How come then I can find maybe 2 out of 3-4 FSU women over 30 still live with their parents or one parent? How come entire families around the world living together is NORMAL until you marry and even then you still might not move out, they just add another room!
This all comes back to the main reasons why we choose to not deal with the BS and let somebody else deal with it. Like I've said many times, this is foolish if you want to get married or be involved long term, but then again IS it foolish?
How many dates have you been on?
How many hours of you spent online?
How many times have you paid to have sex with somebody you found attractive instead of going through the motions with some hag you found in a bar or local nightclub?
When you add all that up, its a serious amount of money you just wasted and at the end of the day, what others see is social failure (living at home is 90% of that attitude) I see as I'm still alone (not lonely) not having sex on a regular basis (by choice), getting old (38 in Aug) and no closer to having my first child than I was 10 years ago.
That's when its time to take matters into your own hands, you can't afford to "Wait Around" for it, you have to make things happen and just be prepared when opportunity knocks.
I takes too long to stiff through the "garbage" to get to the "gold" in the US.
BOTTOM LINE!
Hi DJ-
Interesting thoughts and concepts. You may be fairly close to the truth.
Things are SO much easier overseas, and cheaper. It does indeed take too
long to get thru the 'garbage' to get to the 'gold'. Actually, I think the best
you can actually get in the U.S or Western Europe is 'silver'. The real 'gold'
in my opinion is in Latin America (or Asia if that is your thing).
You are also right on getting out there, and getting the job done. Don't wait
for it to find you, go and find it and be a man. Your detractors are also
likely married in bad relationships with typical AW's. We should actually feel
sorry for them. Also, why would you want a re-cycled AW? She has already
been dumped and only in desperation to find another source of income is she
now talking to you. She didn't talk to you 10 years ago when she was prime.
Why talk to her now? Find a prime Latina in her twenties, and be happy and
not live with AW arrogance.
Take care, and GET IT DONE!!
Viva Chicas
[QUOTE=Viva Chicas]Hi DJ-
Interesting thoughts and concepts. You may be fairly close to the truth.
Things are SO much easier overseas, and cheaper. It does indeed take too
long to get thru the 'garbage' to get to the 'gold'. Actually, I think the best
you can actually get in the U.S or Western Europe is 'silver'. The real 'gold'
in my opinion is in Latin America (or Asia if that is your thing).
You are also right on getting out there, and getting the job done. Don't wait
for it to find you, go and find it and be a man. Your detractors are also
likely married in bad relationships with typical AW's. We should actually feel
sorry for them. Also, why would you want a re-cycled AW? She has already
been dumped and only in desperation to find another source of income is she
now talking to you. She didn't talk to you 10 years ago when she was prime.
Why talk to her now? Find a prime Latina in her twenties, and be happy and
not live with AW arrogance.
Take care, and GET IT DONE!!
Viva Chicas[/QUOTE]
I'm not totally convinced by the pictures I see of say Columbians... Its like Brazil, the P4P chicks look better than the "non pros" that's discerning a bit.
I'm not a fan of Asian women as a first choice, my Phip friends keeps telling me I can go to the island and pick from many willing to be my other half, just not all that interested.
I have fallen for that Western culture standard of beauty, as flawed as that may be! - ;)
I like my women Caucasian...
Though I will give South America a fair shake before its all said and done.
Its really between dark haired, fare skinned latinas and Cauasian women of Germanic, Scandinavian or Slavic decent... There's a cute chica on an IR dating site I'm on from Spain and I'm considering hitting her up. I knew another hottie in Spain but she dropped off the face of the the earth...lol
My detractors actually are people I have never met in my life, just some bitter single AW women that don't like the idea of European women taking what few Black Men are available for IR.
You call it Recycled, I call it Damaged Goods, yes I rather not be a father to another man's child, but in certain circumstances its acceptable, I'm trying to be flexible. But my main focus is on -
23-28 Slavic women (though I did get an Email from a 21 year old Ukrainian girl on Elena's Models, guess I'll have to buy her email address...)
28-35 Western European women with a high priority put on those that are 25-28.
And Latin American or those of Latino decent in Europe from 22-28
No reason to look for women in their 30's when I don't even look 30 myself (when I shave, some grey is creeping in)!
Not quite full court press, but I am increasing pressure towards the end of the summer when I can finalize my travel plans and figure out what to do with my current job.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I like my women Caucasian...
Though I will give South America a fair shake before its all said and done.
Its really between dark haired, fare skinned latinas and Cauasian women of Germanic, Scandinavian or Slavic decent... [/QUOTE]
It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.
Aw don't age well because the majority of them don't take care of themselves in the same manner as latin or asian women. Latin and asian women eat a much healthier diet than AW's and all thier prepared meals. It kills me every day to see an AW stop offf at the grocery store buy some prepared chicken, veggies and salads that are loaded with fat.compare this to asian and latin cultures were the majority or women cook fresh food every day.
Also women in those countries tend to walk alot more, walking definitely firms the leg muscles. AW's are lazy.
But there a disturbing trend, my panamanian GF tells me obesity is growing in latin countries because of the influence (advertising) of Mcdonald, pizza hut KFC, etc. So watch out in the future.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.[/QUOTE]
"Black don't crack."
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I like my women Caucasian...
Though I will give South America a fair shake before its all said and done.
Cauasian women of Germanic, Scandinavian or Slavic decent...
23-28 Slavic women (though I did get an Email from a 21 year old Ukrainian girl on Elena's Models, guess I'll have to buy her email address...)
[/QUOTE]
Lots of Caucasian women in Buenos Aires of non-Latin descent, particularly of Ukrainian and German descent. Lots of Lebanese and Syrian blood too if you like that look. However, most (though certainly not all) Argentineans are prejudiced against blacks. Some of those would fuck you anyway but would not marry you. Lots of Caucasian non-Latins in Chile, too, but that country is much more sexually conservative.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.[/QUOTE]
That is true only when all other things are being held equal. There are plenty of non-Whites who, because of the hard circumstances in which they live, do not age nearly as well, as wealthier Whites.
Especially the ones that do meth until their teeth rot out.
[QUOTE=George90]That is true only when all other things are being held equal. There are plenty of non-Whites who, because of the hard circumstances in which they live, do not age nearly as well, as wealthier Whites.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Whites like to spend a lot of time sun bathing and on Tanning beds......these sort of activities are not good for the skin.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]It is my honest opinion that most White women do not "age" well. I've had several White women tell me this. Compare a White woman woman in her early 40's+ to a Asian or Hispanic woman of the same age and the differences are quite clear.[/QUOTE]
They don't, that's why you get them as YOUNG as possible
As my sister says "Black Don't Crack" I'll look 30 for awhile...lol
DH didnt see that, great minds thing alike, my sister going to Grad school at St John's....
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Lots of Caucasian women in Buenos Aires of non-Latin descent, particularly of Ukrainian and German descent. Lots of Lebanese and Syrian blood too if you like that look. However, most (though certainly not all) Argentineans are prejudiced against blacks. Some of those would fuck you anyway but would not marry you. Lots of Caucasian non-Latins in Chile, too, but that country is much more sexually conservative.[/QUOTE]
I haven't ruled out ANYWHERE actually or really ANYBODY - :)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]They don't, that's why you get them as YOUNG as possible
As my sister says "Black Don't Crack" I'll look 30 for awhile...lol
DH didnt see that, great minds thing alike, my sister going to Grad school at St John's....[/QUOTE]
Well you can marry 'em young, the question is what will they look like in their late 40's and 50's, 60's and 70's. You live in L.A, just look at the faces of some of the older White female Hollywood stars. A few White women have aged really well, but most have not.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_fe_st/heart_for_sale[/url]
This woman is selling her house and herself as a package deal on Craigslist! Notice the word "prostitution" is never mentioned. Just another self-proclaimed princess, going after her entitlement. E-Bay promptly removed her ad, but Craigslist let it ride.
It appears that the poor schmuck who falls for this rapidly aging increasing desparate (losing her looks and facing bankruptcy...watta catch!) hag's scam must pay $500,000 merely for the privilege of meeting her, with no assurances of anything in return other than a couple of dates. Hmmm, let's imagine how far that $ would go in LOS, Phil, China, etc...
" PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla. - She's tried night clubs and online dating sites, but now a 42-year-old single mother is looking for love where everyone else's heart is breaking — the real estate market.
After a year of trying to sell her four-bedroom home and eight years of singledom, Deven Trabosh is offering her South Florida home and a shot at marrying her on the Internet.
"I figured let's combine the ad because I'm looking for love and I'm looking to sell the house," said Trabosh, a Barbie-esque blonde who teeters around the nearly 2,000 square-foot house in patent leather heels.
"Marry a Princess Lost in America," Trabosh wrote in the ads she posted on eBay and Craigslist last week. She describes a life of romance and travel and a home decorated with vaulted ceilings, upgraded tile and a soaking tub in a gated community with a pool and tennis courts.
Trabosh, a licensed real estate agent who hasn't practiced in years, knew she would struggle to sell the home in the troubled real estate market, but insists her fairytale ad isn't just a sales gimmick.
"I'm struggling...I don't want to lose my house and I want to find somebody," said Trabosh, who changed her name in the ad to Traboscia to keep people from finding her in the phone book. "So I came up with this dream plan because I've always dreamt about being a fairytale princess."
She listed the home for $340,000 on a sell-it-yourself web site, but upped the price, adding a $500,000 shipping fee to include her companionship on eBay.
Trabosh says eBay removed her ad, though she planned to change the wording and repost it. Under the site's prohibited services policy, eBay does not allow the sale of human beings, body parts or relationships, spokeswoman Catherine England said Friday.
Trabosh hasn't received any serious offers, but says she's had nearly 500 responses, mostly positive, including one from Ottie of Surrey, England, who e-mailed to say, "You are offering the perfect life with the perfect American princess."
She whips out her laptop to show off a picture of Claudio, a handsome Italian wine and cheese taster, who she's been corresponding with since he responded to the ad. Seated on a white leather love seat in her living room, she giggles almost girlishly about him. They're hoping to meet in Miami in a few weeks.
She's gotten criticism too. Her 21-year-old daughter Haley says she just wants her mom to find love, but her 14-year-old daughter says her mother is embarrassing her. Other have e-mailed to say she's selling herself short.
"I'm not selling myself. I'm selling love...to meet that true love," Trabosh says. "Of course, it's gonna take more chemistry and connection. It's not going to be instantaneous that I'm just going to be automatically for sale...it's a package deal for true love."
Trabosh isn't the first to use the Internet to hawk the unconventional. A heartbroken Australian man recently tried to sell his life online, including his house, job and friends. Others have sold body space, promising to display advertisements for the highest bidder.
"There is a plethora of quirky ads on craigslist that pop up on craigslist every day, and this appears to be one of them," spokeswoman Susan MacTavish Best said in an e-mail. "Scads of couples have met and, thus, married through craigslist over the last twelve years sometimes marrying the person who bought their tired couch."
Ideally, Trabosh hopes a European man will close the deal and says she's willing to move overseas.
"I know I'm putting myself out there. I'm sincere. I believe in true love," she says. "I want to get married again."
On the Net:http://florence.en.craigslist.it/vac/725787925.html"
This might be good for DJ4. She's a little older than he wants, but he could move out of his parents' house, and plus she looks like she has big tits.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]This might be good for DJ4. She's a little older than he wants, but he could move out of his parents' house, and plus she looks like she has big tits.[/QUOTE]
LOL
C'mon, I'm a bargain hunter too.
I have a feeling $500,000 will go a lot farther -
I could "import" a just as attractive (and younger) woman from Western Europe, in which she would sell off most of her stuff in say Germany (flat, furniture, car, etc), move to the US without any Visa issues. In fact, doing all the paperwork overseas is quick and painless.
In fact I think an attractive Slavic woman is a much better investment even if I had to pay for English lessons, enhance her education to be suitable for use in the Western world, teaching her how to drive and buying her a car.
Public Transportation is not an option in Los Angeles, unless you work Downtown.
But I do admire DH's suggestion of "Killing Two Birds With One Stone"
She does have a nice set titays, nice smile, but she does look over 30 and has two teenage daughters, sounds like 3 against 1 in most arguments, not good, especially if your not blood related (to the children).
There some desperate AW out there, they'll do just about anything. But I do remember watching Top Gear and I forgot who now, but somebody put their sister on Ebay and said she needed a ride to a wedding she couldn't afford to go too. So some RAF helicopter pilot bought her on Ebay, took her to the Wedding and they got married sometime later. Kinda bizarre but what does that say about our social system in terms of dating???
[quote]Ideally, Trabosh hopes a [b]European man[/b] will close the deal and says she's willing to move overseas.[/quote]
With the exchange rate between the Pound or the Euro, some Brit or lonely but attractive Western European dude could jump on this offer.
But as I said, is this much of a bargain?
When you get much younger, without any children and for much less of an investment in either South American or Eastern Europe???
Forget what women tell you, I just saw an ad on TV -
[url]https://www.dreambody.tv/[/url]
Holy Shh, now even women who are suppose to be skinny/thin can let it all hang out on you once she's comfortable enough to undress in front of you.
Its a LIE, its a LIE, its a LIE!
Why not lie about the fact you over-eat or have other bad habits hidden with this product!
Only in America!
Hey DJ that gal seems pretty dumb so just speak with a fake British accent and she will never know the difference. Or tell her since you are African American that makes you European since Europe is right in between Africa and America.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Hey DJ that gal seems pretty dumb so just speak with a fake British accent and she will never know the difference. Or tell her since you are African American that makes you European since Europe is right in between Africa and America.[/QUOTE]
LOL, I don't want it that bad! I couldn't qualify for $500,000 home loan at the moment and the FHA would only go so far, its in a gated community per the story.
She did leave herself open on the "European" thing. I could pop up in a rented Benz, looking dapper and all and proclaim (when asked) I grew up in Germany...I know enough about Germany to fool her, lol
But in the end is it worth my time? HELL NO
And besides, no lender will lend on more than what the house is actually worth. They won't lend extra beyond that current-market-value on the way-inflated "worth" of what amounts to an introduction to some desperate worn-out chick whose best years are long gone. Not exactly solid marketable collateral a lender can bank on, LOL.
[QUOTE=Yogin]And besides, no lender will lend on more than what the house is actually worth. They won't lend extra beyond that current-market-value on the way-inflated "worth" of what amounts to an introduction to some desperate worn-out chick whose best years are long gone. Not exactly solid marketable collateral a lender can bank on, LOL.[/QUOTE]
Yep, thus my trip that I will try to keep under $3K for up to 90 days in Europe to conquer my future wifey (whoever that is...).
Much cheaper, even if you count relocation - :)
I Love New York, I Love New York 2 ! & now, New York goes to Hollywood:
Reality tv continues to sink into the pits of Hell!
Can a real man really picture himself with this ugly "Attention Monger of a erohw"?
And to top it off, her ugly ass Pimp of a mother, who demands to be called "Sista Patterson".
New York's (Tiffany Pollard's) mother is also a fake, "Holier than thow" piece of Ghetto trash.
I feel sorry for New York's father!
Interested ? Go to:
[url]Http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/*****-sells-house/#more-1058[/url]
Don't forget the Kleenex.
i read this bit and thought of a recent conversation with an american woman. she seemed set on the idea that i should be married and convinced the reason i was not involved a "fear of intimacy". i read this and thought it was funny. apparently after a certain point, with enough money in the bank, it's not a matter of fear. it's a matter of setting priorities.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/nyregion/07therapists.html?scp=5&sq=%24600+hour&st=nyt[/url]
[quote=nytimes.com]“superbly well-to-do people tend to have much less of an impetus to work through things now,” dr. stone said. “they have so many opportunities to seek gratification that they’re not hurting in the same way. i’m thinking of a narcissistic and unmarried patient in his late 40s who, in another time and under most circumstances, you’d have said missed the boat. he could get gratification through his wealth and move from one model to another, so that he didn’t really need to maintain a relationship.”
that patient, dr. stone said, terminated therapy abruptly by way of a call — from his secretary — informing him that the man had left for africa on a spontaneous vacation.
moreover, the environments in which a lot of these patients have become successful do not necessarily leave them well equipped to benefit from the talking cure. [red]“to generalize, it’s not the priority of people who are successful on wall street to be intimate,”[/red] dr. karasu said. “it is their priority to be aggressive. many will not open themselves up to intimacy even in love affairs. they are slow to trust anyone — even the therapist.”[/quote]
So a friend of mine was telling me how one of his female friends likes to punk guys out like the TV show. She sets up a date and waits for the guy to call her and say "I'm here at the bar" or, "I am at such and such address." After she manipulates him around as much as possible she says "you got punked!" while talking shit to the unlucky fellow as she is hanging out at my friends house.
We both didn't find it too amusing and I was wondering what would happen if the dude hopefully catches up to her somehow. At least she lets you know you been played, instead of not showing or cancelling at the last minute, and blaming it on her mother/sister/grandma being sick and having to take care of them. All of which I personally have heard before here in America-AKA Sex Prison for men.
[QUOTE=Mike12]So a friend of mine was telling me how one of his female friends likes to punk guys out like the TV show. She sets up a date and waits for the guy to call her and say "I'm here at the bar" or, "I am at such and such address." After she manipulates him around as much as possible she says "you got punked!" while talking shit to the unlucky fellow as she is hanging out at my friends house.
We both didn't find it too amusing and I was wondering what would happen if the dude hopefully catches up to her somehow. At least she lets you know you been played, instead of not showing or cancelling at the last minute, and blaming it on her mother/sister/grandma being sick and having to take care of them. All of which I personally have heard before here in America-AKA Sex Prison for men.[/QUOTE]
Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.
This Peter Cook guy must be the biggest loser ever. She gave him $2 mil+ in the divorce settlement, which will most certainly be ALL eaten up by taxes and lawyers fees. Geeezzzz we really should not blame AW for all our problems, AM deserve just as much blame because of the really stupid things we do.
[QUOTE] Thursday, July 10th 2008, 9:20 PM
Christie Brinkley gambled and won. Taking this divorce into a public courtroom was a risk for Christie Brinkley, but at the end of the day she got everything she wanted - and then some.
Kids? Check. Property? Check. Revenge? Oh, check, check and check.
So Brinkley ended up shelling out $2.1 million to her dirtbag of an ex. It's a small price to pay for serenity.
Peter Cook's legal bills will make short work of the money. His business may suffer, given that Brinkley has for years been pimping him out as an architect to her wealthy Hamptons friends.
Even his Ralph Lauren-model looks are starting to fade and his perfectly coiffed hair is going gray. What woman is going to date a narcissist with no cash?
Nope, next stop on the Peter Cook train is a sad and lonely middle age in the valley of fallen men. He can rub elbows with Eliot Spitzer there.
This week has turned Cook into a public service announcement for dudes everywhere: Don't sleep with your intern.
It could go a little something like this:
"Hi, I'm Peter Cook. Two years ago, I lived in a $12 million mansion. I was married to Christie Brinkley. You may know her as one of the most beautiful women in the world. I had two gorgeous children and all the disposable income I wanted so I could play at being a celebrity architect in the Hamptons. Then I slept with my teenage assistant and lost it all. I've been publicly humiliated and exposed as a $3,000-a-month Internet porn addict who masturbated in front of a Web cam. Men, don't end up like me. Just say no."
Yep, Brinkley was all smiles coming out of that Islip courtroom.
Giddy as a school girl in her pink plaid skirt and matching sweater set, she carried a dinosaur diorama, the project she helped son Jack make for science class. She wielded it like a Play-Doh middle finger for her lying, cheating ex husband.
"I won, you perv," is what she wanted to say. Instead, she told the crowds gathered outside the courthouse, "I'm really glad that today we found some peace."
The light glinted off the silver peace sign earrings that swung from her delicate ear lobes. Brinkley looked like she had found some peace.
Now she can get rid of her rage. She's been victorious - and seems ready to move on.
When we asked if she had any plans to start dating again, she smiled and winked.
"Let's see how the summer goes," she said.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/07/10/2008-07-10_beauty_killed_the_beast_in_christie_brin.html[/url]
[QUOTE=D Etat]Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.[/QUOTE]
Uh sure. The US is a sex prison, its turning into a general prison anyway. I would not be surprised given the sharp disparity between Americans that the US turns into a divided network of zones where only certain people can enter. You already see gated communities in many parts of America. I have not yet seen such things in Australia or in most of Western Europe except maybe England. The US also attempts to tell the world that it is some symbol of Christian morality, the real America is very different. It has the highest rates of teen pregnancy, divorce, and drug abuse in the entire developed world.
I am glad I left and I ain't coming back, the golden times are over in the US.
[QUOTE=D Etat]Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. ... Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.[/QUOTE]
I also had a friend in college who was the object of LOTS of AWs throwing themselves at him. By age 26 he had sex with well over 100 different women, and had sex with each dozens of times.
The problem was that when I, and others not getting any, graduated, he was still on campus banging the ladies. When the ladies graduated, he was still on campus banging new ladies. There were other guys to whom the AWs gave the time of day and everything else under the suns and their clothes. These guys often compared notes about who they were banging and boasted about who screwed whom the most times. They were also still on campus after I and most others graduated.
No. The USA is not a 'sex prison' if you are willing to have sex with which ever women make it the easiest for you, and have sex when the women want, the way the women want. However, if a man in the USA wants to have sex that is also enjoyable to [b]him[/b], with women that [b]he[/b] finds attractive, for her to please [b]him[/b] half the time, to have sex when [b]he[/b] wants to half the time, and do the things [b]he[/b] wants to half the time, then that man will indeed find himself in 'sex prison'.
In short, for the man who wants to have a life, the USA is a sex prison.
Luckily for me, I am able to travel to asia quite frequently on business. In the last ten plus years I have always maintain a few women that I have affairs with. With AW, they are too materialistic and it is all about them and not you. If you step out of line, they go after you money, life and whatever they can take from you. It is very rare to find the gals with lots of money. There are very few, if so, they are not interested in sex/fun.
My key is to always maintain a few freebies with a few paybies just for variety. I prefer young beautiful wives of asian execs that tends to work 24/7 and dumb enough to ignore their lonely sexy wives and/or gf. Currently I am doing two (they even know that too.) very sexy and hot MILF's that have husbands that work 24/7. Cost is almost nil. One even book me into a five star hotel and pays for it.
Friends here in the US usually ask me what is the difference. I usually tell them that after the "deed", they usually go to the bathroom to get a warm wet towel to come back and clean me up. I usually then ask when their signif. Other last done that, if ever.
AW have a lot to learn and have a lot to learn how to maintain their sexyinsess. After marriage, they go from a size two to a size sixteen faster than a Nascar driver goes from zero to a hundred.
This is just my opinion.
As for Christy Brinkley's hubby Peter Cook. He was a real chump. A total idiot to mess up that relationship. He deserve to be poorer than the homeless guy.
[QUOTE=D Etat]Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, sub par social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.[/QUOTE]
I was writing a reply yesterday when my PC decided it had enough and BSOD came up...
Anyway, to some people North America (The United States) is [i]Sex Prison[/i]. Why do they feel that way? Because its much much harder to get laid for basically no reason. When the ugly and fat women give you attitude and make you work for the pussy like better looking women would that's appalling!
If your a decent looking man but don't have any real social skills, that's what you need to work on. Some may call it lack of self confidence. I don't think its that black and white. I don't fear talking to women at all, I just want obvious signs she's interested and American women have refined the art of not being interest in anybody if they are under 30 and have no children.
Its not they aren't interested in men, they aren't interested in men that don't meet certain SOCIAL STANDARDS.
Standards that have no overall bearing on the treatment they'll experience with that person. Rich men in other countries are heavy drinkers, brutish, potentiality connected to organized crime, lack any real personality and other social standards not acceptable (to women) if your bank account reads less than 6 digits.
In otherwords the balance of power is not in you favor.
If you are not a criminal, sperm donor and otherwise have your shit together, there's no reason why a nice looking woman shouldn't be interested in you.
But we all know that's just not the case...
But I think people mostly call the US Sex Prison, because we can show all kinds of suggestive imagines on TV, yet I can't show the cover a car magazine with a sex woman in a bikini on the front of it or a tit or a dick on TV.
Its patterns that make NO SENSE AT ALL!
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]This Peter Cook guy must be the biggest loser ever. She gave him $2 mil+ in the divorce settlement, which will most certainly be ALL eaten up by taxes and lawyers fees. Geeezzzz we really should not blame AW for all our problems, AM deserve just as much blame because of the really stupid things we do.
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/07/10/2008-07-10_beauty_killed_the_beast_in_christie_brin.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.
[QUOTE=Jelly Donut]I read this bit and thought of a recent conversation with an American woman. She seemed set on the idea that I should be married and convinced the reason I was not involved a "fear of intimacy". [/QUOTE]
What about fear of [b]boredom?[/b]
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.[/QUOTE]She may be a stiff, but for him to play so close to home... What the heck was he thinking about. With the money that he had from her, he could have jetted himself to pleasure in any part of the world.
With the divorce, and his settlement (after what is left after the divorce lawyer gets their share of it) he will not have enough money to take the friggin bus. Peter Cook is an idiot.
[QUOTE=D Etat]Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.[/QUOTE]Ask former governor of New York Eliott Spitzer if he thinks New York or America is a sex prison. I don't fault the guy.
That's saying something when one of the most powerful men in the country loses his career and reputation because he paid for some nooky.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately most AW who look this good, tend to be lousy lovers under the sheets. I can't say I blame the guy for straying. He probably was not getting much sex from her at all and I'm quite sure he wasn't getting any of the freaky stuff from her either. Problem solved, he could easily have taken sex trips to Thailand, Brazil, Costa Rico, FKK Germany....had his cake and eaten it too!!
AW have a false sense of entitlement, that they think that their shit smells like roses! Whether they are fat, fugly, skinny or tinny:
Then you have these losers who get caught on that MSNBC show "To catch a predator".
C'mon,this show has been on the air for a while, and yet these guys still think they are hooking up with young girls.
You never hear about older women trying to have sex with young boys on the internet,but female teachers can have sex with their male students and get a "slap on the wrist".
A male teacher would damn near be castrated for that.
AW have been on this so-called "Pussy Pedestal" for so long,they need to be knocked off of it"!
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Unfortunately most AW who look this good, tend to be lousy lovers under the sheets. I can't say I blame the guy for straying. He probably was not getting much sex from her at all and I'm quite sure he wasn't getting any of the freaky stuff from her either. Problem solved, he could easily have taken sex trips to Thailand, Brazil, Costa Rico, FKK Germany....had his cake and eaten it too!![/QUOTE]
Brinkley is 54 years old, and Cook was husband number 4. Someone quoted a saying: "No matter how beautiful a woman is, there is at least one man somewhere who is tired of her." In Brinkley's case, there are at least 4 men who are tired of her.
There is a good reason that a woman as gorgeous as Brinkley was, and still is for her age, can't stay hooked up with rich attractive men.
[quote=d etat]guys i hate to do this again. but america is not sex prison. i have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. sadly i was never one of them (unattractive face, subpar social skills) at any rate i ventured out and found a second home in pi. returned back to the states after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded american girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...what most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.[/quote]
d etat,
you are right, america is not a sex prison in the sense that sex is widely, if not easily, available. however, you must admit that the level of effort required to obtain sex is rarely worth it. the overall attractiveness of american women leaves much to be desired also. now i know guys who get tons of pussy but the quality of the females is definitely bottom tier at best. sometimes they score one of the better looking women but they put a fair amount of time and money into the effort. in a few cases these good looking women turn out to have “issues” and the whole thing blows up into “drama”. these guys work hard at low paying jobs because they spent so much time perfecting their “game” with females that they neglected their education. these were the cool guys in high school or even college. a few of them might have even turned out alright financially if it wasn’t for some woman they knocked up and who continues to dog them for child support at the slightest scent of a pay increase. they will always be 20-30% behind their peers economically for the next 18 or more years. those who try to see their children often find their ex-love determined to make it an insurmountable challenge. so if one wants to dress for the girls, talk in the way women like and drive what they like then one can have pussy galore. on the other hand, you’re not living for yourself and in a country that worships youth and shuns the old (35 yrs and up) the show can’t go on forever. as the easy sex dries up the players find themselves having to marry to secure a sure source of sex. now the fun really begins. once married their sweetheart becomes increasingly heavy and shrew. henpecked to death these men flee to the refuge of alcohol induced bliss or seek solace in the pussy of the nearest crack-head.
that is one side of the american story. the other side of the story has to with the guys who weren’t cool in school and couldn’t score the prime pussy. these guys actually spent time learning something and many are pretty well off. they’re fucking pretty gold diggers in abundance. it seems that they shouldn’t have any problems but they do. some of them want to marry but they can never be sure if women really like them or the good lifestyle they have to offer. after all, they know they weren’t chick magnets a few years ago. marriage for them represents a significant risk of getting fleeced. either way, you have a quandary. that’s the essence of sex prison. men win rarely or never. it is not a simple issue of sexual scarcity.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Man some people!
Would you be happy with millions at your disposal and one of the hottest women in the world? Isn't Christy almost 60? She puts 30 year olds to shame! She may have been a stiff in bed and that's why he started looking at porn and playing hide the sausage with a late teens intern.
Who knows how some people think, people are strange and make no sense at all.[/QUOTE]
You never know when you’re on the outside looking in. My boss always went on and on about how he never cheated on his wife. When I visited him at his house things always seemed to be tranquil sometimes his old lady would even be kissing on him. The marriage appeared to be perfect.
Well, a couple weeks ago I was visiting him after he left the company. While making small talk over the grill he told me that he was getting a divorce and all along he had been fucking one of his female subordinates. I looked at him and laughed like, “Yeah right!” I seriously thought he was trying to play some crude joke on me. I expected him to say it was a joke the moment that I gave any indication of believing it. The last time I felt that surprised was when a cockroach made a hasty exit from my bowl of chips at a Mexican restaurant. However, my wait for the punch line was in vain. It was all true. I’d heard the rumors about him fucking the other woman and noticed that he never reamed her ass in meetings like he did everyone else when she screwed up. Then again, he was best buddies with her boyfriend and they drank regularly together. It turned out that he would sneak into the girlfriend’s bedroom and fuck her while the boyfriend was passed out from too much Jim Beam.
According to him, the marriage had been on the rocks for over a decade, he just never left because he wanted to raise his kid. Now, I wonder if all his swearing about marital fidelity was an attempt to convince himself, not me, that he was doing the right thing. Ironically, he used to make fun of my views concerning marriage in America. Now he’s looking at alimony around 65K/yr. My point is that you can never know what happens in a marriage, even when it seems like it is made in heaven, when you’re looking in from the outside.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]My point is that you can never know what happens in a marriage, even when it seems like it is made in heaven, when you’re looking in from the outside.[/QUOTE]
65K/yr in alimony. This looks like a job for O.J. Simpson. Just kidding guys :)
Marriage is a crapshoot that’s why I am keeping my craps off the table. I already crapped out once no need to touch that hot stove again.
-The girl I had last night sure can't wrestle, but you should see her box!
-A woman's mind is cleaner than a man's - That's because she changes it more often.
-Women should have labels on their foreheads saying, 'Government Health Warning: Women can seriously damage your brains, genitals, bank account, confidence, and good standing among your
friends.
-Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another.
-99 percent of bar girls give the rest a bad name.
-Girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere.
-Youv'e been a bad girl, go straight to my room!
-A Nymphomaniac is a women as obsessed with sex as the average man.
-Women should be obscene and not heard.
-I believe that sex is a beautiful thing between two people. Between me and and four women, it's fantastic!
-The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money costs less.
D Dtat,
Scroll back over this thread and you will see many true stories that prove this is a Sex Prison.
Sure there is sex to be had. But it's not worth it. We are a sex hating puritanical culture at our core. Sex is feared, or leered at with the mentality of a 12 year old boy. Look at our mainstream films and how they handle sex.
Former NY Gov. Spitzer for sure: if it can happen to the rich & powerful it can happen to anyone. Guys get their car impounded for looking for a sex worker, then get the humiliation of their photo plastered all over the local websites and newspapers. Clinton was impeached for lying about a BJ.
IMBRA is an act of congress that makes all men guilty (sex predator) until proven innocent for the crime of seeking a foreign bride.
There are now US laws that prosecute men for being sex tourists abroad, in effect extending our laws abroad where they have no such laws. When a woman goes on a sex tour they make a movie about it and applaud her "getting her groove back".
Landmark case that was upheld by NY State Supreme Court that said that a guy who dated a woman for a few years and then they split, he had to pay child support for a child who was not even his! The reason given that he was a "father figure".
As CM aptly pointed out, the looks standard here is horrifically low. Go to E. Europe, China, Japan, many places. The average girl shopping at the supermarket would be considered a rare knockout here. Not only slender and attractive, but they really take the effort to dress & groom themselves in a pleasing manner, hair/nails everything. Go to a market here and the fat cows have thrown on some "track suit" (as if they ever break a sweat!) and look as if they just dragged themselves off the couch from watching Oprah who reassures them what poor victims they are. As a result, poor hapless AMs who don't travel have no idea they are being bamboozled, so they lower their standards and expectations. So sad.
Sex I can get for free abroad, in both looks and in quality of experience (meaning she being a great lay) is light years beyond what I'd have to pay for here, not to mention freebies here.
So yes, this is Sex Prison USA, maximum security at that. And don't blame the jailers ("authorities" as you call them), as they are nothing but a reflection of our culture which is dominated by feminists and religious conservatives.
[QUOTE=Yogin]D Dtat,
Scroll back over this thread and you will see many true stories that prove this is a Sex Prison.
Former NY Gov. Spitzer for sure: if it can happen to the rich & powerful it can happen to anyone. Guys get their car impounded for looking for a sex worker, then get the humiliation of their photo plastered all over the local websites and newspapers.
IMBRA is an act of congress that makes all men guilty (sex predator) until proven innocent for the crime of seeking a foreign bride.
There are now US laws that prosecute men for being sex tourists abroad, in effect extending our laws abroad where they have no such laws. When a woman goes on a sex tour they make a movie about it and applaud her "getting her groove back".
Landmark case that was upheld by NY State Supreme Court that said that a guy who dated a woman for a few years and then they split, he had to pay child support for a child who was not even his! The reason given that he was a "father figure".
As CM aptly pointed out, the looks standard here is horrifically low. Go to E. Europe, China, Japan, many places. The average girl shopping at the supermarket would be considered a rare knockout here. Not only slender and attractive, but they really take the effort to dress & groom themselves in a pleasing manner, hair/nails everything. Go to a market here and the fat cows have thrown on some "track suit" (as if they ever break a sweat!) and look as if they just dragged themselves off the couch from watching Oprah who reassures them what poor victims they are. As a result, poor hapless AMs who don't travel have no idea they are being bamboozled, so they lower their standards and expectations. So sad.
So yes, this is Sex Prison USA, maximum security at that.[/QUOTE]
I agree on average women overseas are more attractive and a man can find pussy of high quality and quantity very easy. Yes the American authorities do make it challenging to engage in sex. That being said if you willing to lower your standards you can still find sex in abundance. I know my girlfriend of two years if I had met her in the States would have probably never looked my way. That’s the nature of things.
[QUOTE=D Etat]I agree on average women overseas are more attractive and a man can find pussy of high quality and quantity very easy. Yes the American authorities do make it challenging to engage in sex. That being said if you willing to lower your standards you can still find sex in abundance. I know my girlfriend of two years if I had met her in the States would have probably never looked my way. That’s the nature of things.[/QUOTE]
I lowered my standards, sex was to be had on a regular basis if I kept my mouth shut.
I couldn't....
At least I can say the fat chicks I did fuck were attractive (in the face!)
Raising my standards to where I think they should be for a guy like myself, and what pussy?
The only free sex I've had was with a Ukrainian single mother that I had to fly to Kiev for...
The rest of it I paid for in Germany and the Hungrian woman, OMG she would blow any woman I've been with or dated out of the water, she came up to ME in FKK Palace and was pulling on my dick.... I didn't go to her, you figure it out and it was still BUSY in there! She made a BEE LINE for me.... PSE with a dash of GFE, couldn't have asked for more...
I haven't seen a live pussy SINCE, mostly by choice. Its been a year this month!
Now if I did some drastic things I could get laid, you know like pay inflated P4P prices or spend hours and hours in bars, clubs and places all around LA spending countless amounts of money.
Lowering my standards and trolling the BBW clubs would give me much better results but I no longer need to do that!
I could move out, but that goes with what CM was saying about doing the things "Women want you to do" in order to make your self social acceptable to them to date.
NO, NO and NO! I'm not playing that game!
They can kiss my ass, I'm marrying a foreign woman who doesn't care I live at home, who's 15 years my jr, never married, educated and NO KIDS.
Of course that means an EE woman...
If its a Western European women, it would look more like this -
Doesn't care I live at home, who's 5-7 years younger, skinny, never married or no longer involved with her ex-bf/hubby/sperm donor, maybe educated but not always (went to trade school instead).
Your choices are SOOO much better over there, than over here, CM would just say its a bad idea to bring them here. But in our favor, many EE/WE woman think American women are NUTTY AS A FRUIT CAKE, so there's not much fear into them totally buying into to what Oprah says, she can be seen overseas and the women I know don't watch her show...
Dude, you're never going to find a woman who doesn't care that you live at home.
[QUOTE=Yogin]D Dtat,
Scroll back over this thread and you will see many true stories that prove this is a Sex Prison.
Sure there is sex to be had. But it's not worth it. We are a sex hating puritanical culture at our core. Sex is feared, or leered at with the mentality of a 12 year old boy. Look at our mainstream films and how they handle sex.
Former NY Gov. Spitzer for sure: if it can happen to the rich & powerful it can happen to anyone. Guys get their car impounded for looking for a sex worker, then get the humiliation of their photo plastered all over the local websites and newspapers. Clinton was impeached for lying about a BJ.
IMBRA is an act of congress that makes all men guilty (sex predator) until proven innocent for the crime of seeking a foreign bride.
There are now US laws that prosecute men for being sex tourists abroad, in effect extending our laws abroad where they have no such laws. When a woman goes on a sex tour they make a movie about it and applaud her "getting her groove back".
Landmark case that was upheld by NY State Supreme Court that said that a guy who dated a woman for a few years and then they split, he had to pay child support for a child who was not even his! The reason given that he was a "father figure".
As CM aptly pointed out, the looks standard here is horrifically low. Go to E. Europe, China, Japan, many places. The average girl shopping at the supermarket would be considered a rare knockout here. Not only slender and attractive, but they really take the effort to dress & groom themselves in a pleasing manner, hair/nails everything. Go to a market here and the fat cows have thrown on some "track suit" (as if they ever break a sweat!) and look as if they just dragged themselves off the couch from watching Oprah who reassures them what poor victims they are. As a result, poor hapless AMs who don't travel have no idea they are being bamboozled, so they lower their standards and expectations. So sad.
Sex I can get for free abroad, in both looks and in quality of experience (meaning she being a great lay) is light years beyond what I'd have to pay for here, not to mention freebies here.
So yes, this is Sex Prison USA, maximum security at that. And don't blame the jailers ("authorities" as you call them), as they are nothing but a reflection of our culture which is dominated by feminists and religious conservatives.[/QUOTE]
So glad I left the USA, Australia has no such ridiculous laws with regards to bringing in foreign women. On the contrary the laws down under require the foreign wife to prove to the government that her intentions are sincere until she is given permanent residency status. Quite a contrast from the US where the moment the knot is tied, she's got a Green Card and ready to hit the road.
"Now if I did some drastic things I could get laid, you know like pay inflated P4P prices or spend hours and hours in bars, clubs and places all around LA spending countless amounts of money."
I couldn't agree with you more!!
And even if you did spend countless hours and amounts of money, there still wouldn't be any guarantee of getting laid with a girl of your liking. Most likely you'll end up with something on a sub-par level that you have to convince yourself (maybe by being drunk) that she's ok.
"NO, NO and NO! I'm not playing that game!
They can kiss my ass, I'm marrying a foreign woman who doesn't care I live at home, who's 15 years my jr, never married, educated and NO KIDS.
Of course that means an EE woman..."
It could also mean an L.A. woman (L.A. for Latin America, of course)
No one asked me, but they can kiss my ass too. Marrying a foreign woman can be among the best thing an AM can do now-a-days. Not only will the chances of her being 15 years (or more) your jr be a lot more possible, but being never married, educated with no kids also entirely so. Especially if she had a good upbringing, then that in itself should decrease her likelihood of assimilating into an AW troll if you were to ever bring her to our land of the free and home of the brave.
I pretty much do as Chocha Mongerer mentioned in one of his posts a couple of year ago - I go celibate for a few months until I am able to travel abroad and meet the beauties most of the world has to offer. I totally gave up on AW or Americanized Women (which are pretty much the same side of the coin). And the more women outside Sex Prison USA think AWs are "NUTTY AS A FRUIT CAKE" the better our hopes and chances for anything real increase.
[QUOTE=Cyberdas]"Now if I did some drastic things I could get laid, you know like pay inflated P4P prices or spend hours and hours in bars, clubs and places all around LA spending countless amounts of money."
[/QUOTE]
Hey Cyber. Don't forget about the "QUOTE" function homie..
I agree, but don't lose sight that the ultimate monger likes to get laid, not get married. Variety is the spice of life. Foreign or domestic, I will get freakin tired of any woman that's around a lil too long. Especially if she brings nothing to the table. For some reason every pair of tits is a better pair than the ones I can play with when I want.
Club scene..forget it. You better be SOMEBODY when you walk in to get AW attention. Before women started dancing with each other, that used to be your intro. If you can tear her away from her cell phone, you might get a word in. Drinks! Yeah right..at 5-10 bucks per-forget it. The last time I went to a club, I felt trapped in an episode of "Top Model". Women were to cute, so they thought ,to really party. Just a bunch a cunts chatting and bonding.
And I agree with DH; I wouldn't even respect myself if I still lived with my parents. Although I know it's the Italian way.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Dude, you're never going to find a woman who doesn't care that you live at home.[/QUOTE]
Actually that's untrue...
I know a local woman that doesn't care, its not like I'm trapped here.
If anybody cares to allow me to explain, they nod in agreement. Its a plan, its in motion and not caught up in lease agreements and rental agreements that to me is a waste of money and will not allow me the privacy and workspace I require.
I'm not quite sure what people demand out of me personally, I am not a criminal, I do not engage in illegal activity, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I have never struck a woman.
The fact that I am saving money for a future purchase shouldn't be a factor. I mainly don't date locally to avoid any confrontations on the fact some ho can't come over UNANNOUNCED (like so many AW tend to do) to me its actually a good thing and I shouldn't have to lay out some "ground rules" to prevent that from happening.
I keep saying and CM agrees I shouldn't have to cater to what AW want to make me acceptable to them. If that was the case, then turnabout is fair play, they should put down the comfort foods that increase their waist lines and backsides instead of me making them accept the fact they are overweight.
As it currently stands, I would have to sell my car and buy some POS bucket, eliminating a $342 monthly bill in order to get a reasonable priced apartment in decent and not crime ridden section of the San Fernando Valley, West LA or Hollywood.
Of course while fooling around with low paying jobs and driving trucks, I could have gone back to school, got a degree and work in a office environment which doesn't interest me.
I am basically still searching for my "place" in life, something I would be happy to do for the next 15-20 years. I have been constantly working since age 18 and was tired of going to school everyday.
When my father died, it afforded me an opportunity do some things it would have taken me a much longer time to do. Now I just have to able to afford the house payments and the property taxes it entails every 6 months. If it was just about buying a home, I could have settled with my father's bill collectors and kept his home in Stockton, CA for myself.
I was born in NoCal, but its been since the late 70's that I lived there full time and personally I'm not interested in living there. If anything I'll move further south into San Diego and wear my Raiders jersey around Gas Lamp District...
Are there women willing to build something with me?
Yes, which means me living at home with a goal isn't such a BAD thing to some women.
BTW, I can snap my fingers and get an apartment but I don't need that level of privacy.
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Hey Cyber. Don't forget about the "QUOTE" function homie..
I agree, but don't lose sight that the ultimate monger likes to get laid, not get married. Variety is the spice of life. Foreign or domestic, I will get freakin tired of any woman that's around a lil too long. Especially if she brings nothing to the table. For some reason every pair of tits is a better pair than the ones I can play with when I want.
Club scene..forget it. You better be SOMEBODY when you walk in to get AW attention. Before women started dancing with each other, that used to be your intro. If you can tear her away from her cell phone, you might get a word in. Drinks! Yeah right..at 5-10 bucks per-forget it. The last time I went to a club, I felt trapped in an episode of "Top Model". Women were to cute, so they thought ,to really party. Just a bunch a cunts chatting and bonding.
And I agree with DH; I wouldn't even respect myself if I still lived with my parents. Although I know it's the Italian way.[/QUOTE]
I put a higher importance on what I drive, than where I live, simple as that.
Like I said before, I have enough for rent for the next 3-4 years in cash if I wanted to do it, but that would be a waste of money. I will leave here soon, but its for the reasons I choose and has nothing to do with self-respect IMHO.
Call me lazy or whatever but I'm not bringing down the mass opinion of American men by doing it my way, as unconventional as it may me to some.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I put a higher importance on what I drive, than where I live, simple as that.
Like I said before, I have enough for rent for the next 3-4 years in cash if I wanted to do it, but that would be a waste of money. I will leave here soon, but its for the reasons I choose and has nothing to do with self-respect IMHO.
Call me lazy or whatever but I'm not bringing down the mass opinion of American men by doing it my way, as unconventional as it may me to some.[/QUOTE]
Man nothing wrong with living at home and stacking chips. I would do it to but the problem with my family is they are good for nothing. Last time I did that it was throwed in my face. I landed my dream job and now they all love me :)
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I put a higher importance on what I drive, than where I live, simple as that.[/QUOTE]
In my "youth" I used to think the same way. But realize this:
You can't live in your car.
Your car is a depreciating asset.
You really can't make money off your car, it's mainly a tool to get you from point A to B. So in the long run owning a house is a much better long term investment.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]In my "youth" I used to think the same way. But realize this:
You can't live in your car.
Your car is a depreciating asset.
You really can't make money off your car, it's mainly a tool to get you from point A to B. So in the long run owning a house is a much better long term investment.[/QUOTE]
Correct!
Rent makes sense for some people, moving out of your home getting away from a family that either "gets in your way" or is shameful like D said forces many people out before they are ready.
Some people seem to think you need to struggle first because you can enjoy your successes.
I'm not into buying expensive luxury cars (as Bling mobiles), I agree most cars depreciate at a fairly alarming rate. Oh but what I wouldn't do to get a C63... :)
Anyway, the plan is to buy a home; down I got, paying for it is another thing. Some of it is fooling around all these years without ensuring a way I could make the money needed to support the lifestyle I want away from the family home. It was easy with 2 incomes (ex-GF), but that's foolish to think I need to cohabitate first before I buy a home. Nevermind that if I hook up with any girl that's not from Western Europe and that doesn't have a firm command of English, her earning power will be even below what people make at Wal-Mart...
A return to trucking is in the mix or working two medicore jobs (not ideal) to ensure I can invest more than 2/3rds of the money made into various forms of short term but safe investments.
Also so I can afford to spend 1-2 months in Europe without dipping into the long term savings account which I haven't touched since I returned from Europe last summer.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]
According to him, the marriage had been on the rocks for over a decade, he just never left because he wanted to raise his kid. Now, I wonder if all his swearing about marital fidelity was an attempt to convince himself, not me, that he was doing the right thing. Ironically, he used to make fun of my views concerning marriage in America. Now he’s looking at alimony around 65K/yr. My point is that you can never know what happens in a marriage, even when it seems like it is made in heaven, when you’re looking in from the outside.[/QUOTE]
I bet many of us on this site know guys just like this. What's odd is that, as I've been browsing some of the threads on this site, I've noticed an alarming trend of guys wanting to get married to their GFs they meet abroad, and looking for advice. If they, or anyone else thinking about marriage is reading this, I'd like to direct them to this clip, from one of the greatest stand-up comedians of all time:
[url]http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=SniOXFhwIZ8[/url]
[QUOTE=Ezinho]I bet many of us on this site know guys just like this. What's odd is that, as I've been browsing some of the threads on this site, I've noticed an alarming trend of guys wanting to get married to their GFs they meet abroad, and looking for advice. If they, or anyone else thinking about marriage is reading this, I'd like to direct them to this clip, from one of the greatest stand-up comedians of all time:
[url]http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=SniOXFhwIZ8[/url][/QUOTE]
If you are saying that there are guys on this site who want to marry women they met through [i]mongering[/i], then I completely agree. It is [b]very[/b] dangerous and inadvisable to marry a prostitute. She views you as a wallet. You view her as a sex machine. These two views are very incompatible with the daily drudge of running a household.
For men who meet foreign women by non-mongering means, I disagree with you. At least in Latin America, it is far easier to meet a woman who is not materialistic and values the relationships with her husband and family for more than just potential money, than it is to meet such as woman in the US.
I recommend that American men look abroad for wives given that they prefer the married lifestyle. My caveat is that a US man probably should live with his foreign wife in [i]her[/i] country. There are many feminazis in the US who are eager to convert normal foreign women into battled hardened man-haters out to rip off men by lying about domestic violence.
[QUOTE=George90]If you are saying that there are guys on this site who want to marry women they met through [i]mongering[/i], then I completely agree. It is [b]very[/b] dangerous and inadvisable to marry a prostitute. She views you as a wallet. You view her as a sex machine. These two views are very incompatible with the daily drudge of running a household.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you. I've never understood why mongers marry prostitutes. Most prostitutes hate men, regardless of the way they make us feel. It's that deep hatred for men that allows them to fuck countless men day in day out. A prostitute who was developing real feelings for me, told me she could not see me again as a paying customer. Needless to say I did not see her for very long.....it totally screwed up her head.
[quote=astor bryan]it's that deep hatred for men that allows them to fuck countless men day in day out.[/quote]
actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out. i don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. even the lesbian girls i've worked with don't dislike men. personally, i think that's a myth the feminazis tell you so you won't see us as anything more than a blow-up sex toy, devoid of emotion. (and then maybe you'll hate us as much as we supposedly hate you. score 1 for the soccer mums).
the problem with falling for a client is not about hating men. it's about crossing that line between personal and professional. if your therapist or doctor started falling in love with you, she would probably stop seeing you as a paying client as well. if the lines get blurred, things get confusing - and sometimes even dangerous.
I agree guys. I have been actively mongering in the US and Asia; there are several ladies both here and abroad that I started to "develop feelings" for. I have learned to check myself as soon as these thoughts enter my mind. For the reasons already so aptly stated. Lust isn't love and as much as my Thai GF likes me arriving every 2-3 months and is genuinely happy to spend time with me (and vice versa.) it really is about the bucks and the sex at the end of the day. I like her/ she likes me but that is as far as it goes. My thinking is that of doctor/patient or lawyer/client or something of this ilk. You CAN be friends with your doc or your attorney but when it comes to professional services. Well you get my point.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out[/QUOTE]
You are one strange woman.
rubber nursey the keyword here is "most" hate men.
[quote=rubber nursey]actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out. i don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. even the lesbian girls i've worked with don't dislike men. personally, i think that's a myth the feminazis tell you so you won't see us as anything more than a blow-up sex toy, devoid of emotion. (and then maybe you'll hate us as much as we supposedly hate you. score 1 for the soccer mums).
the problem with falling for a client is not about hating men. it's about crossing that line between personal and professional. if your therapist or doctor started falling in love with you, she would probably stop seeing you as a paying client as well. if the lines get blurred, things get confusing - and sometimes even dangerous.[/quote]
I was once told by a surgically enhanced AW who worked in a strip club that the strippers hate men and enjoyed exploiting them for cash via lap-dances and over-priced drinks. She said that many were lesbians high on the power of being able to get money simply by shaking their asses in men's faces. Some of it might be true but if you don't buy lady drinks or lap-dances the power argument loses strength rather quickly.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Rubber Nursey the keyword here is "most" hate men.[/QUOTE]
That makes absolutely no sense to me, AB. These women hate men, so they choose to have sex with them all day for a living? I don't get it. Where on earth does this man-hating wh*re myth come from?
[QUOTE=D Etat]You are one strange woman.[/QUOTE]
Errr...thanks. I think. :)
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I was once told by a surgically enhanced AW who worked in a strip club that the strippers hate men and enjoyed exploiting them for cash via lap-dances and over-priced drinks. She said that many were lesbians high on the power of being able to get money simply by shaking their asses in men's faces. Some of it might be true but if you don't buy lady drinks or lap-dances the power argument loses strength rather quickly.[/QUOTE]Hey Chocha Monger,
Your last sentence was right! Sometimes I go to the strip club with a pocket full of money! I drink "fake" beer, & I don't get any dances, I don't buy the dancers drinks. I just sit back like a Sultan, clap my hands twice while a dancer is on stage & I say "entertain me"!
Strippers hate it when a guy enters the club, has money & doesn't spend it on them! The power is ours & always will be!
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Actually, it was my deep love of sex and variety and the touch of a stranger that allowed me to fuck countless men day in, day out. I don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. Even the lesbian girls I've worked with don't dislike men. Personally, I think that's a myth the feminazis tell you so you won't see us as anything more than a blow-up sex toy, devoid of emotion. (And then maybe you'll hate us as much as we supposedly hate you. Score 1 for the soccer mums).
[/QUOTE] Hear! Hear!
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]That makes absolutely no sense to me, AB. These women hate men, so they choose to have sex with them all day for a living? I don't get it. Where on earth does this man-hating wh*re myth come from?[/QUOTE]
It makes perfect sense to me. These wh*res are not sleeping with men because they love 'em. It's all for money. This hatred helps them get through the daily chore of sleeping with all these men. You might call it twisted thinking, but a lady friend who owned a brothel told me........hmmmmm who on earth has ever been able to figure out women.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I don't personally know any sex workers who hate men. Even the lesbian girls I've worked with don't dislike men. [/QUOTE]Hate is probably too strong of a word, but I do imagine there is a lot of burnout in terms of losing respect for your clientel, just as a public defendant might start hating the people he has to defend in court or a waitress starts hating her patrons as a group.
But I have to agree with you... I haven't felt very much hate in dealing with prostitutes. The occasional one that doesn't like her job much or is having a bad day, but no hate. Mostly just a friendly customer relationship and surprisingly often a really fantastic rapport and a great time.
Women are women at the end of the day and I for one am very happy they make up 51% of the population.
Prostitutes who hate men are most likely those forced into the trade or those who somehow were damaged (disease, violence etc.) working. Their hate has less to do with the trade itself and more to do with the circumstances they are forced to work under. Nobody likes to be forced to do something.
Girls working on their own free will are more likely to view everything in a healthier manner. These are the kind of girls I seek out.
It’s dangerous to marry any woman, prosty or not. Marriage is a business and you’ll always have to turn something over to the other party without ever being 100% sure of their intentions once the contract has been signed. The perceived danger with marrying a prostitute is that she may be more skilled than the average woman at making one feel good without having any genuine interest beyond the financial rewards. However, the real danger comes from the man. Can he separate business and pleasure? Will he always be suspicious of his former prosty? Is he jealous and capable of acting violently on those feelings of jealousy? Is he obsessed with the physical beauty or supposed submissiveness of his prostitute? He might be falling in love with the service rather than the person providing the service. His prosty might turn out to be completely different when not on the job. She might be providing certain things to clients that she is not crazy about but which she does anyway for increased customer satisfaction or greater financial rewards. She might not want to do those things in a non-paid capacity. Then there are her motivations for being a prostitute. Is she a prosty because she needs to finance a drug habit or shopping addiction? Maybe she is just not into monogamy and since you’re mongering you’re probably not either which raises serious questions for the both of you. Can she trust you not to be out fucking other prosties while you’re expecting her to stay at home playing the faithful little wife?
A lot of these issues apply just as well to “normal” women but it is a lot easier to ignore them and fool yourself into thinking that they’re not applicable. Marriage doesn’t change people’s habits or proclivities. In my life I’ve met women who were ruthless, deceitful and greedy, being a prostitute wasn’t a pre-requisite for any of those qualities. I’d say marry all the prostitutes you want as long as you’re being realistic and taking the necessary steps to protect self and wallet. In any case, you’re going to pay for the pussy.
I think the danger is two-fold just as you see it.
Will the guy be able to handle the fact that his loving missus has sucked a gazillion cocks or had sex with guys better-equipped and skilled than he is?
Will she still consider turning some tricks to get some mad cash? (assuming he wants her to quit the business)
What if her old job (assuming kept secret) comes out and the neighbors start talking?
Lots of issues that could come up. Would take a strong relationship and some very level-headed people to come to terms with it.
Not sure I could, even despite best intentions.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Hate is probably too strong of a word, but I do imagine there is a lot of burnout in terms of losing respect for your clientele...
But I have to agree with you... I haven't felt very much hate in dealing with prostitutes. The occasional one that doesn't like her job much or is having a bad day, but no hate.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, Doc. :) I agree with everything you said. (Except women make up 54% of the population in Oz! There's a man drought!!!) I absolutely DO NOT believe that 'most' hookers hate men. It's all part of the fantasy.
Actually, we probably like you guys more than the average woman does! We know what you want and where you're at. We understand you. I've heard several thousand mens' life stories over the years and it wasn't in polite conversation. They were naked. Raw. Emotional. They trusted me to never repeat their story (and I never would) so I've heard it all. I think so much like a man, it does my head in.
Anyway, this is going a bit off topic (although the Morality thread would love to hear from you if you have more to add!) What I originally wanted to say, before I saw AB's post and went off on a tangent, was that I think a 'regular' girl is more dangerous than a wh*re when it comes to seeing you as a wallet.
I would think that 'foreign' women who do not work in the sex industry (and therefore, do not earn two or three times the average weekly wage) would be more likely to see you as a meal ticket than a hooker, who generally needs more than money (ie. love) to walk away from sex work and settle down with one man.
Chocha/Doc - well said. Your posts made me cry (see the Morality thread for more information). You're totally right. Men need to be sure that THEY can handle a relationship with a wh*re/ex-wh*re before they talk about marriage.
[QUOTE=Punter 127]Hear! Hear![/QUOTE]
PS. Thanks, Punter 127! :)
[QUOTE=Tarius Shinobi]Strippers hate it when a guy enters the club, has money & doesn't spend it on them! The power is ours & always will be![/QUOTE]
You walked into the club in the first place, mate. You sit there and watch because no 'regular' woman is willing to shake their arse in your face. The power is theirs. Get over yourself.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]You walked into the club in the first place, mate. You sit there and watch because no 'regular' woman is willing to shake their arse in your face. The power is theirs. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]You have no idea what 'regular' women do for me! And I am free to enter any strip club that I please! If I want to hold onto my money, I can do that too.
You don't know what you are talking about!
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Can we stop the ad hominem shit and get back on topic PLEASE?
I dunno why you guys would pooh-pooh what RN says, she's in a MUCH better position than ANY of us to know what she's talking about. Most of us can only ASSUME what those girls REALLY think about us because they are going to be real nice to us no matter what, for business reasons. When she comes in with INSIDE INFO we should be eating it up!
Anyways I also agree that you're more likely to get a gold digger by marrying some Latin American barrio girl than by marrying a professional sex worker, by FAR. Sex workers already HAVE their own money first off.
I also find it supremely ironic; here we are, a site dedicated to PAYING FOR SEX and we have all these dudes in THIS section complaining about AW's supposed lack of monogamous tendencies? Monogamy? WTF does ANYONE on this board have to do with that? I strongly STRONGLY suspect none of you motherfuckers on here really WANT monogamy. I know I for one sure as fuck do not!!
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]? Monogamy? WTF does ANYONE on this board have to do with that? I strongly STRONGLY suspect none of you motherfuckers on here really WANT monogamy. I know I for one sure as fuck do not!![/QUOTE]
Yeah I smell what you are cooking and I am ordering seconds....
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Can we stop the ad hominem shit and get back on topic PLEASE?
I dunno why you guys would pooh-pooh what RN says, she's in a MUCH better position than ANY of us to know what she's talking about. Most of us can only ASSUME what those girls REALLY think about us because they are going to be real nice to us no matter what, for business reasons. When she comes in with INSIDE INFO we should be eating it up!
Anyways I also agree that you're more likely to get a gold digger by marrying some Latin American barrio girl than by marrying a professional sex worker, by FAR. Sex workers already HAVE their own money first off.
I also find it supremely ironic; here we are, a site dedicated to PAYING FOR SEX and we have all these dudes in THIS section complaining about AW's supposed lack of monogamous tendencies? Monogamy? WTF does ANYONE on this board have to do with that? I strongly STRONGLY suspect none of you motherfuckers on here really WANT monogamy. I know I for one sure as fuck do not!![/QUOTE]
Hey I do!
But I see both sides of the coin.
Prostition is a Service Industry... In that sense, it provides me with a service I don't mind paying for but deep down wish I didn't have too, which is why I haven't explored it further locally thus far (trip to TJ in the very near future).
There is a certain amount of risk in any relationship, nothing is fool-proof.
I ain't the one complaining about AW's lack of "monogamous tendencies". I'm complaining about the qualifying list that is lengthy and unessassary because it doesn't guarantee lasting happiness or martial bliss.
It usually set you up for failure, hence all the divorced women in America....
I can dabbled in erotic services it doesn't mean I rather not be married, quite the Contrary....
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Thanks, Doc. :) I agree with everything you said. (Except women make up 54% of the population in Oz! There's a man drought!!!)[/QUOTE]Interesting, always wanted to visit, thought I would go home disappointed though. Its on the "To Do List" however.
I think there's a "man" shortage everywhere but America, where we are outnumbered but not nearly as in-demand. In fact those of us on the "Road Show" barely put a "dent" into "Missing" or "Where are all the good men" argument that's out there.
These women could care less and only complain about a lost or missing man when we come back with a foreign born gf or bride.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Interesting, always wanted to visit, thought I would go home disappointed though... Its on the "To Do List" however.[/QUOTE]
Don't bother, DJ. Most of those women are over 50. :)
What a pair these two make!
First, she wants a divorce because she (supposedly) can't take the infidelity anymore. An affair with a 50 yr old hag named "Madonna" being the straw that broke the proverbial camels back.
But now, it's like she wants to give things another try? I'm not buying it for one second. She's had this whole divorce thing planned .... and probably right from the get-go. I mean, the guy just signed some huge deal worth like $250 million bucks about a year ago. I'm betting that she thought she'd wait for about a year..... to make it look good. Then she springs the trap!
But maybe, just maybe A-Rod had some dirt on HER? Word was going around as to how he might have hired some kind of detective and had her followed. I also heard how she wanted to see any records that may have been made as a result of said surveillance. Guess what? One week after that, they (meaning she) decide to "give it another try" ..... for the kid's sake, of course.
This whole thing reeks.
Comments?
Rock
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I heard about her on Thom Hartmann's show, click on her interview very INTERESTING to say the least and completely spot on, I was wondering if anybody else has noticed this but US, but I guess somebody has...
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]What a pair these two make!
First, she wants a divorce because she (supposedly) can't take the infidelity anymore. An affair with a 50 yr old hag named "Madonna" being the straw that broke the proverbial camels back.
But now, it's like she wants to give things another try? I'm not buying it for one second. She's had this whole divorce thing planned .... and probably right from the get-go. I mean, the guy just signed some huge deal worth like $250 million bucks about a year ago. I'm betting that she thought she'd wait for about a year..... to make it look good. Then she springs the trap!
But maybe, just maybe A-Rod had some dirt on HER? Word was going around as to how he might have hired some kind of detective and had her followed. I also heard how she wanted to see any records that may have been made as a result of said surveillance. Guess what? One week after that, they (meaning she) decide to "give it another try" ..... for the kid's sake, of course.
This whole thing reeks.
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Rock[/QUOTE]
You know A-Rod just signed up with a major Hollywood talent agency to explore his acting options after baseball. So Maybe the whole Madonna affair/divorce thing is just publicity like Miley Cyrus and her father taking pics together.
You gotta admit that ole sea hag Madonna looks good lately and knows a thing or two about reinventing oneself.
Some other weird pairings in the recent past are Eddy Murphy and Babyfaces' ex-wife- WTF on that one.... Michael Strahan squiring the ex Mrs. Murphy around NYC ? I mean, heres a guy who got taken to the cleaners from his ex-wife in an embarassing court battle, going out with another golddigger who took Murphy to the cleaners, who's going out with high maintenance Babyfaces' ex. She might not even be a real female anyway. And Tom Brady dumping pregnant Bridget Moynahan for some model.
Anyone notice how many NBA coaches have models for wifes?
Derek Jeter certainly has the right idea - living in Trump Tower like a friggin Majarajah with no one to answer to.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]
This whole thing reeks.
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The Wall Street Journal got the story right. It's not about Madonna (who is, surprise, represented by the same agency) it's about the money.
[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121667673378471533.html[/url]
Frankly, I'm so cynical I think A-rod [i]really[/i] loves his wife and she [i]really [/i] loves him, and this is all just a stunt to help him expand his earnings.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Thanks, Doc. :) I agree with everything you said. (Except women make up 54% of the population in Oz! There's a man drought!!!)
Interesting point about Australia RN, this "man drought" is getting a lot of media attention in Australia. Many over 30 women are saying that there are no decent Australian men for them. IMO it is more to do with them being particularly fussy.
For example the typical 30 yo woman will often only consider up to about 35 as their first preference, possibly a few years later if you are lucky. Perhaps they should broaden their horizon to guys in their 40's? Even a guy as a 35 yo, what incentive is their to go out with a girl about the same age? He still has a decade or so to perhaps decide if he wants to go down the having children route. Does he really want a girl who may pressure him within a year or two about his desire to start a family? These days a guy around this age can get laid o/s on cheap holidays and if he wants to start a family around 40 yo well he doesn't face the ticking clock dilemna so much.
So the typical Aussie girl in their 30's is searching in an age range that increasingly men are not interested in them.
Then consider the fact an increasingly large portion of Australians are immigrants, and often Asian/Indian. I am not sure if I have ever seen a caucasion Aussie woman date an Asian or Indian man in Australia? But caucasion men are more than happy to date Asian/indian women. I also rarely see women date "larger" men, considering Australia is the most obese nation in the world that also cuts down their available dating pool.
Of course then there is the fact that the guy must be "financially secure", ambitious yet not totally focused on work. Funny but know when to take things seriously. In touch with his metrosexual side but know when to behave like a man. Probably needs to one day know that he wants to start a family too. He should be physically active yet not be a gym junkie. He should take pride in his appearance yet not spend too long in front of the mirror.
etc etc
if you do not believe me check out the dating sites in Australia, the list of demands are endless.
This "man drought" is partially a result from Aussie men heading to mining jobs in isolated areas, or perhaps heading overseas for their careers.
One wonders if these men would have headed to the mines or overseas for their careers if there were women in their origianl hometown that showed some interest in them! My guess is the same women were very attractive in their 20's, spent all their time chasing the same good looking "player" type guys. Now they are in their 30's these "player" type guys are chasing the younger women. So now the 30's women want the nice guy with plenty of bucks to potentially settle down and raise a family with. Problem is that this guy has plenty of money behind him, probably went through years of the same girls ignoring him, so has moved on to other options such as overseas jobs, mongering and so fourth.
I agree there is definately a mand drought in Australia, but I do get tired when some girls whinge about it, it is pretty clear how it eventuated. But if you are a 35 yo male and are really keen to meet a woman about the same age with the possibility of getting married soon and having kids, the dating pool is very large for you.
Think I will just spend the next decade or so mongering and enjoying the company of beautiful asian women 10 years younger than me. If it all becomes boring well maybe then I will consider settling down and becoming the family man.
I know this is the American women thread and not Australian women, but I thought some of the themes above might also be relevant to the U.S.
[QUOTE=Ozzie Trader]Interesting point about Australia RN, this "man drought" is getting a lot of media attention in Australia. <snip> This "man drought" is partially a result from Aussie men heading to mining jobs in isolated areas, or perhaps heading overseas for their careers.[/QUOTE]
Just for the record, I wasn't complaining about the so-called man drought - I just added it because, as you pointed out, it's a bit of a 'buzz word' here at the moment. Actually, I live in one of those isolated mining areas you mentioned and I can assure you...there ain't no man drought in these parts! ;)
I agree with everything you said about what Aussie women demand from Aussie men - but I could say exactly the same thing about you guys. A nympho with limited previous partners? Independent and smart, but subservient? A 30 year old with the boobs and thighs of a 19 year old? You only have to read the comments on this thread to see that some of you guys are definitely on a par with women in the fussy stakes!
PS. I wouldn't trade Aussie men for the world.
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He probably got off cheaper in the long run anyway.
[QUOTE=Dickhead][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25846393[/url]
He probably got off cheaper in the long run anyway.[/QUOTE]
True.
I don't mind women trying to set a precedent with this promise to marriage thing. I just want equity in the application of this precedent. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
That means that when a woman makes the promise of having sex (including specific sex acts) with a man, she needs to deliver on that promise or else she gets sued for damages!
I hope that US women don't start complaining even louder about committment phobia among men, when we stay even farther away from them. This is just another brick in the wall for nomarriage.com.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Just for the record, I wasn't complaining about the so-called man drought - I just added it because, as you pointed out, it's a bit of a 'buzz word' here at the moment. Actually, I live in one of those isolated mining areas you mentioned and I can assure you...there ain't no man drought in these parts! ;)
I agree with everything you said about what Aussie women demand from Aussie men - but I could say exactly the same thing about you guys. A nympho with limited previous partners? Independent and smart, but subservient? A 30 year old with the boobs and thighs of a 19 year old? You only have to read the comments on this thread to see that some of you guys are definitely on a par with women in the fussy stakes!
PS. I wouldn't trade Aussie men for the world.[/QUOTE]
Yeah realise you were not complaining RN, but I refer to many other women I hear complaining. Yes we blokes can be fussy aswell I must admit!
However using the dating websites as an example. I think if the average guy was contaced by a girl on one of these he would be a much higher chance of agreeing to go on a date with that girl. In fact guys are lucky to be contaced at all, if they were they would probably jump at the opportunity. However I know that plenty of girls get many many emails on a daily basis from guys, yet they still wouldn't go out with any of them. Admittedly a lot of those emails may well be crude emails just after sex or something. However no matter what type of email a guy got, a lot of us would give things a chance anyway. I think that says a bit about overall fussiness.
Younger girls in their 20's can afford to be fussy. They can all usually get some company with good looking men. This is because young good looking men often are the "players" sharing themselves with many different women at the one time! Once they hit their 30's though, often these players settle down with the one girl. If one "player" was seeing 3 girls regularly one year and he decides to settle down with one, that leaves 2 girls who suddenly need to look for some company. Then the women realise they need to settle down and there is not so many men available. They then turn to the guys they previously ignored. However these days with globalization and jobs offshore, competitive airfares and ease in being offshore due to internet/email keeping in touch and the like, those guys have alternatives. They can not be bothered with the 30 somethings that previously gave them no time of day.
[QUOTE=Ozzie Trader] Once they hit their 30's though, often these players settle down with the one girl.[/QUOTE]
Except for the guys on this board, of course.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Except for the guys on this board, of course.[/QUOTE]
That is true, they have plenty of time. Only if people in Western Culture didn't have what I term - Time Management Issues...
Kids cause all types of time management issues. Okay for couples its accepted, but for single men its SUPPOSE to be understood and for many including me is understood but not accepted!
That puts childless single women at a premium and there behavior is accordingly; they are in control and can have the pick of the litter regardless of looks or weight.
That's what WE Western Men find impossible to deal with.
When something is lacking, be it looks, money, social status; you have to go down market, that opens it up for women that previously ignored you, or so they think...
The reality is as Ozzie said with the internet, affordable long distance calling and reasonable internetional airline tickets, your selection is no longer limited and while RN might love her Ozzie men, many Ozzie women are indifferent and actively seek Americans and Western Europeans along with dating locally.
Unfortunately many of the Ozzie women I find online are over 30 themselves... Where are all the tight thighed 20 somethings? lol I know one lady that looks pretty darn good to be 38 and has a body that puts younger women to shame (at least with her clothes on) but 38????
C'mon now!
[QUOTE=D Etat]Guys I hate to do this again. But America is not sex prison. I have childhood friends who since we where kids changed pussies like socks. Sadly I was never one of them (unattractive face, sub par social skills) at any rate I ventured out and found a second home in PI. Returned back to the States after a two year hiatus and my childhood friend had a picture of one of those dreaded American girls showing him her naked ass in his cell phone. Not a third world misses but a real lady with a career...What most of my friends had in common was that women found them attractive and they had the gift of gab it’s really elementary.[/QUOTE]
Well, I hope that was the case. But I would rather be skeptical. Although I have met a number of such guys who also supposedly changed pussies like socks. But guess what? Most of them almost never got any pussy in reality. Only one-two girls friends and a one got married so he probably had sex with his wife;) Many people in USA do lie about sex. These guys go to a club, talk or dance with a girl. Then they tell all kinds of stupid stories they they fucked her. They do not like to admit it, but once in awhile they do.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Well, I hope that was the case. But I would rather be skeptical. Although I have met a number of such guys who also supposedly changed pussies like socks. But guess what? Most of them almost never got any pussy in reality. Only one-two girls friends and a one got married so he probably had sex with his wife;) Many people in USA do lie about sex. These guys go to a club, talk or dance with a girl. Then they tell all kinds of stupid stories they they fucked her. They do not like to admit it, but once in awhile they do.[/QUOTE]
Yeah a lot of American guys tend to lie about their sexual conquest then look down on guys who pay for it. I wonder why that is? For me the time and effort required to get "normal" women out of their clothes is just not worth it. What can I say I am lazy and I am in a LTR which complicates things…
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Well, I hope that was the case. But I would rather be skeptical. Although I have met a number of such guys who also supposedly changed pussies like socks. But guess what? Most of them almost never got any pussy in reality. Only one-two girls friends and a one got married so he probably had sex with his wife;) Many people in USA do lie about sex. These guys go to a club, talk or dance with a girl. Then they tell all kinds of stupid stories they they fucked her. They do not like to admit it, but once in awhile they do.[/QUOTE]
Here's what I have noticed in my limited travels....
Here in the USA -
Typical big city nightclubs hold about 1,500 people. When you eliminate the "Wall Flowers", women on their "Girl's Night Out" and Couples just out for the evening, you're left with around 700 people.
You can cut that number in half to about 350, the rest are ugly, fat, clueless and various other visual social flaws.
Now how many of those people actually go home with each other? I'd say less than 50%! AIDS and Herpes did put the brakes on "casual" sex but only SLIGHTLY to be honest, when the initial scare was over and more information was available people generally went back to what they were doing...
So out of 10 buddies and this is from personal experience where my crew was deep: about 6-7 constant members. At one point we went out 5 days a week including Sunday Night.
From 1988 through 1997 (When I met Nicole my ex) I count -
(1) from phone based match dating (no longer popular) no sex
(3) Internet "Freebie" fucks (single date/day arrangements)
(1) 100% One Night Stand (only sex I got from being a "DJ")
(1) Girlfriend for 3 months from "clubbing"
That's from 30-35 hours a week of nightclub action in what's the number #2 or #3 club/nightclub scene in the nation. I'm not that aggressive however I'm not all that shy either, as you see success rate is QUITE LOW.
Now in all that is plenty of hours of phone calls, dates, meetings, whatever.
Since I left my GF in Sept of '00 till now, I've been out clubbing maybe 10-12 times since, about 2 club visits a year if that, usually left by Midnight-1AM if things weren't looking that good, I was having more success on the Internet.
Still not getting laid with the frequency I did when I was in a relationship, thus my reasoning that despite all the risks and pitfalls that can happen to a person in a relationship.
Even the BEST Playas I KNOW/KNEW only got laid from a different woman maybe ONCE every 2-3 weeks! They had "Regulars" they always do, women desperate to "lock down" these guys because they feel they can reform playas.
To his credit he wasn't a typical "Bad Boy"; college educated, ran track at college was in excellent shape (still is). But constantly had no car or a POS, worked a menial job at Tower Records during college and after college (what was the purpose of a degree???), DJ'ed on the side (inferior skill level compared to muah) but had ummm two or three woman constantly on his jock, those would be his "regulars"
He was never aggressive meeting women and left plenty of opportunities on the table.
That being said he still wasn't PROLIFIC as other men CLAIM to be and YES they LIE because it helps them to feel BETTER about their mating skills, which most men LACK anyway.
So its all a lie!
If your in another country where sex is looked at differently then I wouldn't find it hard to believe you're getting laid for free much more than once a week from a woman you just met.
USA IS and remains a Sex Prison, One of my homies claims 60+ women in about 12 years of nightclub activity, along with owning sport bikes when there was no helmet law in California and the annual gathering in Palm Springs for Spring Break was excellent opportunity to find ready and willing women for example.
Those days are LONG gone and will never come back!
here is my USA statistics for about 10 years of suffering:)
Internet - probably about 4-5 'successes'. Still had to spend a lot of money for travel and going out. Most of them were Russians in the USA.
I also met two American women on the internet. Both of them were different from their pictures. One turned out to be 10 years older than on the pic. The other one turned out to be overweight(of course for USA she got perfect body:-). Even though she says she wants to date me, in one year(!) I was able to have one date with her! It's not like I really want that, it's more for experiment, just to see where it can lead. so far - nowhere.
One Night Stand - never. I probably had some opportunities, but those girls were either fat/ugly/old
Night Clubs/Bars. - One black girl. She looked hot when in darkness and I was also drunk. Later she turned out to be quite old and disgusting.
A house party - One buttugly American girl. I was young and just wanted to do her just to have fucked ate least one American girl.
All my other girls in the USA were Russians, Japanese, Brazileans
Even Russian and latin girls are kinda messed up in the USA compared to their home countries, but still they are much more normal than American.
Once in a while I meet some American girls, I get their phones or emails, even they tell me how they like me and ask to call them. But it is next to impossible to arrange anything with them. Like I have to book them months ahead. Or most likely they have there guard on again the next day I after they give me their phone.
Some my friends used to laugh at me because I travel to Europe, Asia, Latin America/caribe. They could not understand why I spend so much money to go somewhere and have sex. They were saying it is free in America!
They do not laugh at me anymore. In almost 10 years, one of them is still with the same girlfriend, another one also with one fat ugly girl, and another friend is married - I'm 100% sure he had never had sex before marriage. BTW they are good looking successful guys, and they considered themselves "players".
I have no idea what is wrong with this country. I'm sure the problem is not only in myself. I have several beautiful girlfriends in Russia, Ukraine and now in Colombia. And those girls are not for money or marriage(as some would assume). They are very successful and happy in their home countries and do not want to move anywhere(they are actually asking me to move closer to them), and one of them is married and has a kid. She is also a part time photo model. Another one(from Moscow) wants to travel with me and pay for the hotel after I told her that I do not have much money for travel now.
I cannot understand why this type of girls virtually do not exist in the USA. By this "type" I mean nice, not bitchy, beautiful, sincere, who like and understand men and without "hidden agenda".
What I see here, girls are busy with their stuff. They also prefer food to men.
Often you can see a whale eating an ice cream or french fries. Or often there are girls who are about to become whales, but they still order huge plates of crap. My ex-wife when i met her used to eat about 10 times less!
And what's funny they(the whales) are really proud of themselves. Unbelievable!
I also have seen funny things, such as like there was a bad looking girl working in a bar. And one guy(seemed to be very nice) wanted to have a date with her, get her phone etc.. She refused! She did not even smile. I could not believe my eyes. This would never happen in Europe or Latin America or whatever.
And the last funny observation. I think only in America you can see so many good-looking successful guys with ugly girlfriends or wifes. On one of my trips to Curacao I was sitting next to a couple. The guy was pretty normal, better than average looking. Man, the girl was a nasty whale and looked pissed. I was really sorry to this guy. He had to fuck that thing. I believe it was their honeymoon or something. But he probably had no clue what he was missing in Curacao anyway.
I'm done whining for now;) I hope that was entertaining:)
[QUOTE=D Etat]Yeah a lot of American guys tend to lie about their sexual conquest then look down on guys who pay for it. I wonder why that is? For me the time and effort required to get "normal" women out of their clothes is just not worth it. What can I say I am lazy and I am in a LTR which complicates things…[/QUOTE]
Yes, for me too. Economically it is cheaper to go to a AMP once a week, and to fly to another country for 3-5 days a month than date a "normal" girl. The problem is not only how much time/money you spend with her, it is also how much time you think about her which is bad for your work or business, which makes even more damage to you!
For now I settled with an older women in the USA. She's not gonna get married or have kids, she does not need support. Hopefully this will free my mind a bit. I tried to get younger chics, but they are really pain in the ass(in the USA).
One my friend works in a construction biz. he just realized that it is much better to go to AMP, then trying to hook up with "normals". Now he is happier than ever. he finally managed to calculate all costs and results. he also remembers his ex-wife, when he was spending all money on her, in return getting scandals, and in the very end jail time from his mother-in law! his marriage ruined his credit history, plus a criminal record!
BTW, my former marriage was next to perfect;) I did not buy any engagement rings, had a mutual account from where we paid our bills, so she could see that the life is not free and paid for it. And the divorce was almost perfect without lawyers.
Its layered under other problems and believe it or not they are all LINKED!
The surprising behavior of ugly and/or overweight women is a bit shocking and you sometimes want to say - "Are You Serious????"
How come many of them say you're somehow less of a [i]man[/i] for not dating overweight women?
That shit is incredible, I want whatever they are smoking that is some good shhh!
Now I'm all for having self-respect and all that, however; fat bitches should be giving up the pussy much easier than they do, but they wait for some fat man (which many of them don't want) or a "chubby chaser" to scoop them up and overlook the oozing flesh... The rest of them target African-Americans because there's this rumor taken completely out of context that we like women with some "meat" on their bones or woman with a big booty.
Its true but taken out of context!
American men like many people in America have convinced themselves that not working with the "rules of engagement" in whatever the game may be, your not fully American, human, male, whatever if you won't "gut" it out with the rest of us and find that perfect pebble of sand...
That's utter NONSENSE!
Look, you stay here, you marry that fat *****, ugly mousey tramp, mentally challenged, gold diggin hoe's which give American women a BAD NAME but make up the VAST majority.
I have to be extreme now because I wouldn't take risk when I was younger and I have suffered sexually because of it. So anybody that says I'm crazy can kiss my natural black ass; they don't live a DAY in my shoes!
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]here is my USA statistics for about 10 years of suffering:)
[/QUOTE]
LOL....Thats was funny and interesting to read your perspective...Honestly i have come to point..where i being dejected, decieved, insulted, heartbroken so many times now..that i simply love women...who thinks me as dumpster worth nothing.
I just now love the way, i get dejected, i actually get a kick now and has a fetish for women..who just ignore me as if i dont exist on this planet :D
Even going to a H**ker i dont expect much..cos most of the time..its money not service that they like..but i dont know lately i feel good..when the h**kers after taking the money provide crappy service. :)
In reality...its being like 10 years since...i have really known what love is..its either money for sex or love for money
I now actually EXPECT for worse service for me to feel good. :D
Its too much struggle all the time being expecting good things in life...why not exbrace the bad, the ugly..its much easier....i have totally excepted the the lot i got in this life.....now i feel elevated when im shown the worse down the barrel :D
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
The rest of them target African-Americans because there's this rumor taken completely out of context that we like women with some "meat" on their bones or woman with a big booty.
Its true but taken out of context![/QUOTE]
It's unbelievable the number of OBESE White American women who assume Black men like them. I'm not going to even talk about the large numbers of OBESE African American women out there. Here's one Black guy, who's NOT interested. To be fair, I will not date any woman, White, Black, Brown, Yellow etc who is WIDER than me or weighs more than me PERIOD. Same standard applies to p4p women as well.
Lest we forget there are whole bunch of American Men(Black, White, Brown) who are Obese. I rarely see Obese Asian men or women.
The U.S has more Obese people than any other country in the world.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]It's unbelievable the number of OBESE White American women who assume Black men like them. I'm not going to even talk about the large numbers of OBESE African American women out there. Here's one Black guy, who's NOT interested. To be fair, I will not date any woman, White, Black, Brown, Yellow etc who is WIDER than me or weighs more than me PERIOD. Same standard applies to p4p women as well.
The U.S has more Obese people than any other country in the world.[/QUOTE]
Actually I recently heard that Australia has the fattest people. But on IR dating sites I find mostly old Australian women most are not fat, that's interesting.
Mississippi has the MOST fat people, not shocking really...
Why would you PAY to fuck a FAT CHICK???? That makes NO SENSE at all. Why would you pay to fuck a OLD CHICK? That makes NO SENSE at all.
Both are easy to get, not even much effort is NEEDED.
Older Women don't tend to play games, they either wanna fuck you or don't and let you know that's the case. They are cheap dates too, a night at Outback Steak House, some cheap wine and deep, down inside, deep, deep down inside you'll be...lol
Fat chicks; just find your local BBW specfic Nightclub, every major city has ONE. Pretend to be really into overweight chicks, it might take a few tries but inside of two dates you could be fucking, low cost..
I'd say from personal experience both ventures would cost you less than $200 in food, gas and booze. There have been times when I have spent NOTHING, contacted them online, within a week I was over their house or apartment and within an hour we were FUCKING. Gas was under $3 a gallon so total cost to drive from my house to Upland, CA (I did three different women in that area at different times) cost me JUST GAS MONEY ($15), oh wait I took one to Dave and Buster's...lol
The Hungraian girl I know locally is chubby but very attractive otherwise, kept herself very clean, she tanned on a regular basis and looked good even on her off days.
If your going to fuck fat women she doesn't have to be nasty and ugly..lol
But I'm done with that BS....
I actually live in Australia, obesity is defined much more strictly than it is in the USA. A person considered slightly overweight in the US would be considered obese in the US.
Honestly there are fat Aussies but most people I see on a given day are nowhere near as fat as some of the farm animals you see in the States.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Actually I recently heard that Australia has the fattest people. But on IR dating sites I find mostly old Australian women most are not fat, that's interesting.
Mississippi has the MOST fat people, not shocking really...
Why would you PAY to fuck a FAT CHICK???? That makes NO SENSE at all. Why would you pay to fuck a OLD CHICK? That makes NO SENSE at all.
Both are easy to get, not even much effort is NEEDED.
Older Women don't tend to play games, they either wanna fuck you or don't and let you know that's the case. They are cheap dates too, a night at Outback Steak House, some cheap wine and deep, down inside, deep, deep down inside you'll be...lol
Fat chicks; just find your local BBW specfic Nightclub, every major city has ONE. Pretend to be really into overweight chicks, it might take a few tries but inside of two dates you could be fucking, low cost..
I'd say from personal experience both ventures would cost you less than $200 in food, gas and booze. There have been times when I have spent NOTHING, contacted them online, within a week I was over their house or apartment and within an hour we were FUCKING. Gas was under $3 a gallon so total cost to drive from my house to Upland, CA (I did three different women in that area at different times) cost me JUST GAS MONEY ($15), oh wait I took one to Dave and Buster's...lol
The Hungraian girl I know locally is chubby but very attractive otherwise, kept herself very clean, she tanned on a regular basis and looked good even on her off days.
If your going to fuck fat women she doesn't have to be nasty and ugly..lol
But I'm done with that BS....[/QUOTE]
That is one pathetic way to live.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
If your going to fuck fat women she doesn't have to be nasty and ugly..lol
But I'm done with that BS....[/QUOTE]
I guess that's a matter of taste.
For me, if a woman is fat, she is already nasty and ugly! By definition! No matter what!
In most cases it means she is lasy, she will agree for fuck with anybody, she eats a lot, she farts a lot, she shits a lot, smells, etc.. Fat chicks snore a lot and loudly! They have big lungs or something so they make great singers but also make lots of nasty noise at night. This is all nasty and not attractive at all!
She takes a lot of space on bed, can harm you if she is on top.. And this is all in addition to that I do not even wanna look at her, and next to impossible to get a hard on. I think the only way to fuck a fattie is a BJ, in case if she's got a beautiful BJ face, and somehow you do not see the rest of her body.
Is another man's gold. It really doesn't matter that much who or what you get as far as AW. If you are fortunate enough to get some, take it. I sure beats traveling to meet someone who suits our taste from time to time. My opinion really has nothing to do with anything, it is just a matter of conditioning and time. It reminds me of that last minute pick up at out favorite drinking establishment: You are completely slushing of vodka, whiskey, vermouth, whatever you drink. Butt ugly AW begin looking really good if you are out of your senses. From my perpective, there isn't enough alcohol in the United States to make one of them beeffalos look great, but you get the point. It is a matter of perspective, time aand conditioning. Anyone will sink real low from time to time especially under the dreadful situations we face day in and day out.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I guess that's a matter of taste.
For me, if a woman is fat, she is already nasty and ugly! By definition! No matter what!
In most cases it means she is lasy, she will agree for fuck with anybody, she eats a lot, she farts a lot, she shits a lot, smells, etc.. Fat chicks snore a lot and loudly! They have big lungs or something so they make great singers but also make lots of nasty noise at night. This is all nasty and not attractive at all!
She takes a lot of space on bed, can harm you if she is on top.. And this is all in addition to that I do not even wanna look at her, and next to impossible to get a hard on. I think the only way to fuck a fattie is a BJ, in case if she's got a beautiful BJ face, and somehow you do not see the rest of her body.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]That is one pathetic way to live.[/QUOTE]
It was, I no longer do that. I rather not have sex than to have it with such beings.
I've hadn't had sex since I left Germany last summer.
Its not fun, I seldom felt good about it, though the last girl was as I said attractive otherwise and not a farm animal.
Those days are long gone and I'm never going back...
[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Is another man's gold. It really doesn't matter that much who or what you get as far as AW. If you are fortunate enough to get some, take it. I sure beats traveling to meet someone who suits our taste from time to time. My opinion really has nothing to do with anything, it is just a matter of conditioning and time. It reminds me of that last minute pick up at out favorite drinking establishment: You are completely slushing of vodka, whiskey, vermouth, whatever you drink. Butt ugly AW begin looking really good if you are out of your senses. From my perpective, there isn't enough alcohol in the United States to make one of them beeffalos look great, but you get the point. It is a matter of perspective, time aand conditioning. Anyone will sink real low from time to time especially under the dreadful situations we face day in and day out.[/QUOTE]
This is true and while some may say fat is not attractive, I agree. But some of the ugly tramps some guys trout out as "attractive" native girls from other countries ain't so hot to look at either.
So its totally to each his own. I made a choice years ago, fuck or not. When thinner girls aren't giving it up, what are you suppose to do, break out your wallet??
Money doesn't solve everything and usually creates more problems than it solves.
I never felt I should have to pay for it. As I got older, I felt differently about it. I rather go without sex period now days. Local P4P cost too much...
[QUOTE]One Day Only Specials from the Blond Hair Blue Eyed Ebony Bombshell - w4m - 29 (400-Atlanta)[/QUOTE]
Just came across this ad title on CL. This is one fu*ked up AW for sure!!!! ........Blonde Hair, Blue eyes, and an Ebony bombshell.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I guess that's a matter of taste.
For me, if a woman is fat, she is already nasty and ugly! By definition! No matter what!
In most cases it means she is lasy, she will agree for fuck with anybody, she eats a lot, she farts a lot, she shits a lot, smells, etc.. Fat chicks snore a lot and loudly! They have big lungs or something so they make great singers but also make lots of nasty noise at night. This is all nasty and not attractive at all!
She takes a lot of space on bed, can harm you if she is on top.. And this is all in addition to that I do not even wanna look at her, and next to impossible to get a hard on. I think the only way to fuck a fattie is a BJ, in case if she's got a beautiful BJ face, and somehow you do not see the rest of her body.[/QUOTE]LMFAO Goga fung.
Tell us how you really feel about "BBW's". So if Heidi Klum gains 50lbs you would kick her out of bed? JK. Not into BBW's myself.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]It's unbelievable the number of OBESE White American women who assume Black men like them. I'm not going to even talk about the large numbers of OBESE African American women out there. Here's one Black guy, who's NOT interested. To be fair, I will not date any woman, White, Black, Brown, Yellow etc who is WIDER than me or weighs more than me PERIOD. Same standard applies to p4p women as well.
Lest we forget there are whole bunch of American Men(Black, White, Brown) who are Obese. I rarely see Obese Asian men or women.
The U.S has more Obese people than any other country in the world.[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck are you capitalizing the word "obese"? Now they're going to think they are Special. Also how come you brothers get to capitalize Black? If I capitalize White I will get all kinds of shit, like I'm with the Aryan Nation or something.
Hey I heard a funny characterization of Obama today: "Half honky, all donkey (Democrat)." Remember before I was bitching about why is everyone saying he is black or Black when he's just as much white? I laughed my ass off when I heard that.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Why the fuck are you capitalizing the word "obese"? Now they're going to think they are Special. Also how come you brothers get to capitalize Black? If I capitalize White I will get all kinds of shit, like I'm with the Aryan Nation or something.
Hey I heard a funny characterization of Obama today: "Half honky, all donkey (Democrat)." Remember before I was bitching about why is everyone saying he is black or Black when he's just as much white? I laughed my ass off when I heard that.[/QUOTE]
Hey DICKHEAD go take a chill pill.....It obvious you have issues with Black people.
No way Jose. BTW I am voting for Obama, not that this proves anything. I just think if you reverse all of this stuff it just shows how equal it all is. I mean what is next? Capitalizing Fat? I can see the ad on Craig's List now: "I am a very sexy Fat woman looking for a Rich man who is very Stupid."
I understand capitalizing African American. I just don't understand capitalizing Black. Help me out on this one.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]No way Jose. BTW I am voting for Obama, not that this proves anything. I just think if you reverse all of this stuff it just shows how equal it all is. I mean what is next? Capitalizing Fat? I can see the ad on Craig's List now: "I am a very sexy Fat woman looking for a Rich man who is very Stupid."
I understand capitalizing African American. I just don't understand capitalizing Black. Help me out on this one.[/QUOTE]
If you notice in my post.....I capitalized White, Brown, Black etc. I don't see this as an issue at all.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
I never felt I should have to pay for it. As I got older, I felt differently about it. [/QUOTE]
Let's face it..... there's two basic kinds of guys. Those who pay for it, and those who beg for it.
Haha, I've seen so many so-called "players" who think they've "got game" when really they're totally in category number two.
Even if I was single, my time is worth way too much to me. I'd rather pick the one I like and pay for it than be wasting uncounted hours trying to convince some average girl to do me for free.
Speaking of average girls, has anyone seen the cover of this week's Time magazine? They have a pic of a female athlete who's on the US swim team. She has the hottest body, we're talking real hot. Oh, by the way..... did I mention that she has a 2 year old kid? Did I also mention she's 41? Yes, that's right.... a smoking hot, 41 yr old who is also a mother. And she has the kind of body that puts girls half her age to shame. Her name is Dana Torres.
That kind of rips the heart out of all the excuses most AWs/western women like to make. "I just don't have the time" .... well try being a mom while training for the olympics. "I can't help it, things change after having a baby" .... OH really? "You can't expect me to look perfect.... I'm not a teenager anymore." Hahahaha, all you AWs should take a good close look at 41 year old Dana next time you want to try and make up some excuse for being fat and out of shape.
I'm hoping she does a shoot for Playboy (after the olys of course).
Rock
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]If you notice in my post.....I capitalized White, Brown, Black etc. I don't see this as an issue at all.[/QUOTE]
OK, Just don't capitalize Obese cuz then they will think they are a fucking tribe or something and will demand Special Treatment. In my (ex) state they can already get handicapped parking permits if they are (I forget) something like 100 lbs. overweight. And, they can use handicapped restrooms. Anyone else ever wonder how people like that can wipe their ass? I mean, their arms don't reach. Plus if the ass barely fits on the toilet seat, wouldn't the cheeks get squeezed together, and wouldn't that make a big mess while they were trying to squeeze out some oversized turd?
I'm just sayin'.
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]Let's face it..... there's two basic kinds of guys. Those who pay for it, and those who beg for it.
Haha, I've seen so many so-called "players" who think they've "got game" when really they're totally in category number two.
Even if I was single, my time is worth way too much to me. I'd rather pick the one I like and pay for it than be wasting uncounted hours trying to convince some average girl to do me for free.
Rock[/QUOTE]
"Pay for it or beg for it."
I never thought it about it like that. Mongering has been a real eye opener for me. One bad thing about it though. Is that I don't value women as much. I don’t know if that’s a bad or good thing. I put up with all type of shit from my Ex-until I discovered P4P after that I was like I don’t need this shit. Thanks Natasha where ever you are. (My first P4P experience 20 year old Russian in Uzbekistan.)
Ta da! It's called "How to look good naked".
Yeah baby!
[QUOTE=Dickhead]OK, Just don't capitalize Obese cuz then they will think they are a fucking tribe or something and will demand Special Treatment. In my (ex) state they can already get handicapped parking permits if they are (I forget) something like 100 lbs. overweight. And, they can use handicapped restrooms. Anyone else ever wonder how people like that can wipe their ass? I mean, their arms don't reach. Plus if the ass barely fits on the toilet seat, wouldn't the cheeks get squeezed together, and wouldn't that make a big mess while they were trying to squeeze out some oversized turd?
I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
hahaha, this is hilarious! I think the problem is that they invented handicapped facilities before there were enough handicapped people to use them. Now people see that the life would be much easier if you're handicapped! So they do not mind to get out of shape and live in haven;)
But anyway, why concentrate so much on obese girls? How about normal ones? So far what I have learned about American girls, one of the things they all have in common - a boyfriend! No matter how she looks, ways, ages, every girl got a boyfriend. Even thought she spend all nights with their girlfriends drinking in bars or watching stupid movies, but still they have boyfriends! I still cannot figure out where the hell all their boyfriends are? or "I have a boyfriend" just some slang, meaning "I'm a frigid *****, so go fuck yourself?';)
I have heard these from 18 y.o, 20, 30, 40... from ugly ones too. This is really amazing!
Of course I exaggerated a bit, but that's the impression I have got.
BTW, I recently met a good-looking Russian woman, and she is asking me if I got a friend for her girlfriend. Damn, why do they come in pairs at the same time, both available and horny;)
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]
So far what I have learned about American girls, one of the things they all have in common - a boyfriend! No matter how she looks, ways,
Just helping you---- weighs --
< ages, every girl got a boyfriend. Even thought she spend all nights with their girlfriends drinking in bars or watching stupid movies, but still they have boyfriends! I still cannot figure out where the hell all their boyfriends are? or "I have a boyfriend" just some slang, meaning "I'm a frigid *****, so go fuck yourself?';)
I have heard these from 18 y.o, 20, 30, 40... from ugly ones too. This is really amazing![/QUOTE]Of course you know this is the cunts way of saying you are not good enough for me, and will never be. But in her mind, she is sparing your feelings.
You are not: rich
Brad Pitt
the right race,
cute enough for her friends to be haters
white enough for her family
wearing non-fucked up shoes, (uggghhh!)
funny at the time we met!
being so funny!
keeping your eyes on me, vice other tits and ass!
OMG...UR A PIG!
[QUOTE=Dickhead]OK, Just don't capitalize Obese cuz then they will think they are a fucking tribe or something and will demand Special Treatment. In my (ex) state they can already get handicapped parking permits if they are (I forget) something like 100 lbs. overweight. And, they can use handicapped restrooms. Anyone else ever wonder how people like that can wipe their ass? I mean, their arms don't reach. Plus if the ass barely fits on the toilet seat, wouldn't the cheeks get squeezed together, and wouldn't that make a big mess while they were trying to squeeze out some oversized turd?
I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]To be fair about this......there are just as many obese men as there are obese women.
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Of course you know this is the cunts way of saying you are not good enough for me, and will never be. But in her mind, she is sparing your feelings.
You are not: rich
Brad Pitt
the right race,
cute enough for her friends to be haters
white enough for her family
wearing non-fucked up shoes, (uggghhh!)
funny at the time we met!
being so funny!
keeping your eyes on me, vice other tits and ass!
OMG...UR A PIG![/QUOTE]
Few white American women will go with an Asian guy, despite all this multiculti bull*shit and all the media hype saying the USA is a racially harmonious country because Obama might become President, most people of different races in the US stick with their own kind. European women and Aussie women will date outside their own kind and I have seen it quite often.
America is such a brainwashed and messed up hypocritical country now finally on the verge of its demise, I am glad I no longer live there. The only thing that tied together such a nation was money, now with that credit crunch and the falling Dollar that is going away. Its too bad the majority of Americans are actually good people let themselves be brainwashed by the upper crust and are falling for their games. First we got Bush, now we are going to get Bush-lite in the form of Obama or McCain. Heck with that.
thanks for making me laugh guys.
except to dickhead, for giving me the lovely imagery of fatties trying to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url]. not what i needed to start the day.
it's true that the obese are now grabbing all the goodies formerly reserved for the handicapped. so now they are engaged in discrimination lawsuits, demanding free upgrades on planes, using parking passes to park without having to feed the meter, getting government-paid motor-wheelchairs, etc. wonderful use of my tax $.
so true about dana torres. [url]http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/publish/health-fitness/the_body_creating_ripples.shtml[/url]
i go to a highly demanding yoga class. plenty of women there in their 40's - 50's who've had children and work full-time. they all have firm flat tummies and tight little asses, look 20 years younger than the average aw. so much for all the lame excuses i hear daily from fugly aw's.
and now mexico is following our lead. 25 years ago obesity there was nearly unheard of. now over 60% of the adult population is obese. makes me less likely to head south...
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]To be fair about this......there are just as many obese men as there are obese women.[/QUOTE]
More, actually, at least in the US:
"More men than women were overweight or obese (68.8 percent vs. 61.6 percent in 2001–2002)"
[url]http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/29/1/6/TBL1[/url]
Right below this quote is a more detailed table. More women than men are "extremely obese." This article differentiates among overweight, obese, and extremely obese. It shows the trend (bad) between two different survey periods, and it breaks the three degrees of fatness down along both gender and ethnic lines.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Why the fuck are you capitalizing the word "obese"? Now they're going to think they are Special. Also how come you brothers get to capitalize Black? If I capitalize White I will get all kinds of shit, like I'm with the Aryan Nation or something.
Hey I heard a funny characterization of Obama today: "Half honky, all donkey (Democrat)." Remember before I was bitching about why is everyone saying he is black or Black when he's just as much white? I laughed my ass off when I heard that.[/QUOTE]
LOL, that's funny. I never cared, we have differences, so what.
We generally agree on what's important 90% which makes this forum function much better than many others where there's constant attacking going on.
Funny you should mention it though...
Hell I met a girl at work; very cute, preg, 19 and BF nowhere to be found and she wasn't interested.
I was the wrong color I would guess...
I know don't know who told women that men rather have "code" than the truth. The truth will set you free and we men (unlike most women) can handle the truth, we'll move on to the next target, but women rather make as wonder what the fuck is wrong with us... When of course there's nothing wrong with you, unless you really are out the lunch.
Yogin is right about "some" older women, better put together than many younger women. It really depends what your after though. Might be a good idea for those not looking for nothing more than a companion.
South America, Central America, Asia and most of Western and Eastern Europe our are only salvation from madness.
If Obama opens up Cuba, then maybe you can add that too...
"I know don't know who told women that men rather have "code" than the truth. The truth will set you free and we men (unlike most women) can handle the truth,"
Exactly. Fuck code. Tell me what's on your mind and we'll go from there. Don't waste my time. I don't have that much of it left at this point. This what is great about mongering. Suppose I really, really want to cum in some chica's ear (I don't). Or whatever. How long do you suppose it would take for me to bring that up with a GF and what do you think would happen when I did?
Had a conversation in a privado recently: "Can I come in your mouth?" "Yes." "Can I come in your face?" "Yes." "Can I come in your hair?" "No." Fine; it's your hair and your face and your mouth. She had really nice thick black hair and I wanted to see how it would look with a bunch of baby batter in it, but she gave me several other acceptable alternatives.
The amount of delicate emotional surgery that has to be performed on a daily basis to have a GF is just beyond me at this point.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]"Or whatever. How long do you suppose it would take for me to bring that up with a GF and what do you think would happen when I did?
[/QUOTE]
Yeap! This reminds me when "cool" guys imply that those who pay for sex are losers, but if you think those "cool" guys will never get what you can get for money, they are even bigger losers! They are probably allowed/required to lick the hairy pussy, but not much more;)
[QUOTE=Dickhead]
Had a conversation in a privado recently: "Can I come in your mouth?" "Yes." "Can I come in your face?" "Yes." "Can I come in your hair?" "No." Fine; it's your hair and your face and your mouth. She had really nice thick black hair and I wanted to see how it would look with a bunch of baby batter in it, but she gave me several other acceptable alternatives.
The amount of delicate emotional surgery that has to be performed on a daily basis to have a GF is just beyond me at this point.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you could the butter in the hair thing. It's all a matter of money, Especially hair is not a big deal. Not like ass.
Sometimes $20 or so can do amazing things with those girls;)
BTW I was spending $$$$ on my wife when was married, and I think my wife still hated me for what I wanted to get from her in sex. I also wanted to give her whatever she wanted, by she had no clue what she wanted. If she wanted at all. So who is the most expensive and unsatisfied *****?:)
Oh she offered me her ass, no problem. Not my thing.
Yeah Baby, Yeah! Groovy.
[QUOTE=D Etat]
Mongering has been a real eye opener for me. One bad thing about it though. Is that I don't value women as much. I don’t know if that’s a bad or good thing. [/QUOTE]
Why should it be a bad thing? I mean really..... think about it this way.
Any man could get by for a year without any p*ssy if he really had to. How many women could go a whole year without any money?
Women are completely overvalued in this part of the world IMHO. The real prize (everywhere else) is, and should be, a man with a steady good paying job. Good looking girls are a dime a dozen.
Rock
[QUOTE=Dickhead]"I know don't know who told women that men rather have "code" than the truth. The truth will set you free and we men (unlike most women) can handle the truth,"
Exactly. Fuck code. Tell me what's on your mind and we'll go from there. Don't waste my time. I don't have that much of it left at this point. This what is great about mongering. Suppose I really, really want to cum in some chica's ear (I don't). Or whatever. How long do you suppose it would take for me to bring that up with a GF and what do you think would happen when I did?
Had a conversation in a privado recently: "Can I come in your mouth?" "Yes." "Can I come in your face?" "Yes." "Can I come in your hair?" "No." Fine; it's your hair and your face and your mouth. She had really nice thick black hair and I wanted to see how it would look with a bunch of baby batter in it, but she gave me several other acceptable alternatives.
The amount of delicate emotional surgery that has to be performed on a daily basis to have a GF, or conversate with random females is just beyond me at this point.[/QUOTE]
Some recent examples of code words and games that I deal with on a daily basis are:
"I am very ambitious." - Used by a Viet chick as she flaked her way out of my life on to supposed greener pastures.
"
The club was in a bad area of Dallas, but the crowd was very upscale." The upscale word meaning she only associates with people who have money. This from a chick who loves Asian-fusion lunches at Nongs on Park.
"You cant afford me!!!" This was told to my dawg Glen from Bed-Stuy by a chick he knows who lives in the projects. Sex and the City attitudes are mainstream now.
"My Mother/sister/aunt was sick and I had to go with her to the hospital." Usual copout on a date at the last minute I have experienced along with others fellows telling me similar.
"I have a boyfriend." said in a way that reminds me of when I tell a panhandler I have no change. Example being "Well I plan to graduate in June, and my boyfriend is in the truck downstairs, and then I will be all finished with school." or, "My boyfriend took me to Las Vegas for a few days..." Usually you know they have a boyfriend within 90 seconds of the interaction.
When the chick wears a hat, sunglasses, Ipod, or pulls out the celly, she doesn't want a social interaction with you for fear of being asked out. And why wouldn't you ask her out because she is such a hot AW, thats why. This drama occurs everyday to me waiting for an elevator, subway, bus,etc.
"I don't think thats something you need to know." Told to me last week when after about a 110 second unpleasant interaction I had the balls to ask her where she liked to travel.
"He's so old." - Unless he is driving a Porsche or lives in a mansion ala Hugh Hefner, than it is OK.
"I'm real busy", "I am always tired", and "I work alot." Mentioned as soon as possible in the interaction to let the guy know not to ask for a date.
"Honey alot of guys call me I don't remember you." Told to a friend after meeting a girl in a club and calling her a couple days later.
"I like to have fun." Meaning spend money and go to clubs where she gets in for free and has guys buy her and her friends drinks all night while she dickteases everybody.
This is why I'm single and prefer the p4p scene. I screw when I want, with who I want, without the drama of a relationship......life is so gooooood!!!!!!
[QUOTE=Mike12]Some recent examples of code words and games that I deal with on a daily basis are:
"I am very ambitious." - Used by a Viet chick as she flaked her way out of my life on to supposed greener pastures.
"
The club was in a bad area of Dallas, but the crowd was very upscale." The upscale word meaning she only associates with people who have money. This from a chick who loves Asian-fusion lunches at Nongs on Park.
"You cant afford me!!!" This was told to my dawg Glen from Bed-Stuy by a chick he knows who lives in the projects. Sex and the City attitudes are mainstream now.
"My Mother/sister/aunt was sick and I had to go with her to the hospital." Usual copout on a date at the last minute I have experienced along with others fellows telling me similar.
"I have a boyfriend." said in a way that reminds me of when I tell a panhandler I have no change. Example being "Well I plan to graduate in June, and my boyfriend is in the truck downstairs, and then I will be all finished with school." or, "My boyfriend took me to Las Vegas for a few days..." Usually you know they have a boyfriend within 90 seconds of the interaction.
When the chick wears a hat, sunglasses, Ipod, or pulls out the celly, she doesn't want a social interaction with you for fear of being asked out. And why wouldn't you ask her out because she is such a hot AW, thats why. This drama occurs everyday to me waiting for an elevator, subway, bus,etc.
"I don't think thats something you need to know." Told to me last week when after about a 110 second unpleasant interaction I had the balls to ask her where she liked to travel.
"He's so old." - Unless he is driving a Porsche or lives in a mansion ala Hugh Hefner, than it is OK.
"I'm real busy", "I am always tired", and "I work alot." Mentioned as soon as possible in the interaction to let the guy know not to ask for a date.
"Honey alot of guys call me I don't remember you." Told to a friend after meeting a girl in a club and calling her a couple days later.
"I like to have fun." Meaning spend money and go to clubs where she gets in for free and has guys buy her and her friends drinks all night while she dickteases everybody.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25955847/?GT1=43001[/url]
What a bunch of assholes. And with taxpayer money.
[QUOTE=Dickhead][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25955847/?GT1=43001[/url]
What a bunch of assholes. And with taxpayer money.[/QUOTE]
This is a sad legacy of inbreeding southern style.....Inbred human beings tend to do stupid things.
[QUOTE=Mike12]Some recent examples of code words and games that I deal with on a daily basis are:........
"I am very ambitious." - Used by a Viet chick as she flaked her way out of my life on to supposed greener pastures.
"
........"I like to have fun." Meaning spend money and go to clubs where she gets in for free and has guys buy her and her friends drinks all night while she dickteases everybody.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why American women play so many head games. Women I have met overseas are straight forward when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex. My damn Ex-almost drove me insane with waxing and waning attitude. I thought it was just me until my return home to find out one of my child hood friends was going through the same bullshit.
[QUOTE=Dickhead] Remember before I was bitching about why is everyone saying he is black or Black when he's just as much white? I laughed my ass off when I heard that.[/QUOTE]
I have been thinking this too. He is as much Black as he is White it's that simple.
Barack Obama is a very bright guy, unlike Bush who is a dumb ass. Barack Obama is young (relatively for a presidential candidate) and energetic, unlike McCain who is older than anyone who's ever even [b]run[/b] for president except I think William Henry Harrison who died after 30 days in office.
But more importantly, I think Barack Obama will have some more important priorities than busting mongers getting BJs in their cars. I struggle to tie this into the American Women thread so my best shot is that what is best for American women and American mongers is best for the country. McCain, I respect, but his POW and military experience is going to dominate his agenda, and he is too fucking old. Plus he keeps changing his positions as his political career proceeds.
I think it's important that all mongers vote for the candidate of their choice. I endorse Obama. "Half Honkey and All Donkey" is good enough for me. The guy is global. He's lived in a lot of places. Punaho (the high school he went to in Hawaii) is really well-respected in teaching circles. His wife seems reasonably sane and is also young so might not even go through menopause during his term. This would be good. Plus unlike Laura Bush, she never killed anyone.
The goal is pussy, so you have to vote for the candidate who will not interfere with your right to pussy. I believe that candidate to be Obama. I just hope he comes up with a better VP than Hilary. I think he should come up with someone really hot and if he can't he should just run Michele. She's hot enough for me.
Ta da......it's : "So Close" ( 3 hot asian chicks in Hong Kong kicking lots of ass)
These chicks would woop the asses of those Charlie's Angels movie broads!
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]Of course you know this is the cunts way of saying you are not good enough for me, and will never be. But in her mind, she is sparing your feelings.
You are not: rich
Brad Pitt
the right race,
cute enough for her friends to be haters
white enough for her family
wearing non-fucked up shoes, (uggghhh!)
funny at the time we met!
being so funny!
keeping your eyes on me, vice other tits and ass!
OMG...UR A PIG![/QUOTE]
Naked Gunz, I guess you are right!
but I would change some items - actually you have more chance if you have fucked up shoes, some stupid tatoos and a snotty t-short. Plus you need to behave like a fag.
AW Observation #2 (the first my AW Observation was that absolutely all AW have a BF)
- It takes for absolutely all AW at least one week, one month or more or never respond to a SMS or email, even thought it's free.
On the other hand, my girlfriends from Russia and Ukraine send SMS(it costs them money) right away unless they are sleeping. Actually they have also sent SMS to me when they were sleeping with their boyfriend and one with her husband!
[QUOTE=Mike12]Some recent examples of code words and games that I deal with on a daily basis are:
"I am very ambitious." - Used by a Viet chick as she flaked her way out of my life on to supposed greener pastures.
"
.....
"I'm real busy", "I am always tired", and "I work alot." Mentioned as soon as possible in the interaction to let the guy know not to ask for a date.
"Honey alot of guys call me I don't remember you." Told to a friend after meeting a girl in a club and calling her a couple days later.
"I like to have fun." Meaning spend money and go to clubs where she gets in for free and has guys buy her and her friends drinks all night while she dickteases everybody.[/QUOTE]
ok, i got one too from tonight. I was in a club. talked to some russian chics who have been here for years and some were very americanized. One seemed to be interested. I asked her for he phone number(before that i got a phone# from another girl with no problem). This is her answer;
"- Did I give you my business card?
- No
- oh yeah,but you gave me yours, right
- yes
- Ok, tomorrow I am going to write you an email in the form 'It was nice to meet you, etc.., ok?
-... ok"
That was one of the most creative ways to say "fuck off idiot" I have ever heard. What's funny, the girl was not even looking good, compared to others. after 4 drinks I was just curious what she would say. actually I was 100% sure she'd gladly give me her phone#(another one looking hot gave it to me), but this one ugly ***** came up with this bullshit. That's really funny and amazing, I'm out of this freaking country soon, dudes;)
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]This is a sad legacy of inbreeding southern style.....Inbred human tend to do stupid things.[/QUOTE]
Wow that's unPC, but I say similar things about the Dirty, Dirty.
Sorry for those folks from these parts but only those from the [i]Bible Belt[/i] would think public money should be spent to rid a city of a legal sexual fantasy provider.
I have to say, any FOOL that spends money inside an American "Clip" joint should be drawan and quarterd... Save your pennies and go to T-Dot or Montreal, where the girls will almost fuck you during private dances. Or go down to Mexico where its fully expected that you private dance and then take your prize upstairs and have at it for a messily sum compared to what people spend in American joints, never mind when a porn star strolls into town, that's where they make [i[their[/i] money unless they are high paid "contract" girls.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Barack Obama is a very bright guy, unlike Bush who is a dumb ass. Barack Obama is young (relatively for a presidential candidate) and energetic, unlike McCain who is older than anyone who's ever even [b]run[/b] for president except I think William Henry Harrison who died after 30 days in office.
But more importantly, I think Barack Obama will have some more important priorities than busting mongers getting BJs in their cars. I struggle to tie this into the American Women thread so my best shot is that what is best for American women and American mongers is best for the country. McCain, I respect, but his POW and military experience is going to dominate his agenda, and he is too fucking old. Plus he keeps changing his positions as his political career proceeds.
I think it's important that all mongers vote for the candidate of their choice. I endorse Obama. "Half Honkey and All Donkey" is good enough for me. The guy is global. He's lived in a lot of places. Punaho (the high school he went to in Hawaii) is really well-respected in teaching circles. His wife seems reasonably sane and is also young so might not even go through menopause during his term. This would be good. Plus unlike Laura Bush, she never killed anyone.
The goal is pussy, so you have to vote for the candidate who will not interfere with your right to pussy. I believe that candidate to be Obama. I just hope he comes up with a better VP than Hilary. I think he should come up with someone really hot and if he can't he should just run Michele. She's hot enough for me.[/QUOTE]
It ties in trust me... Tim Kaine is the rumored front runner for VP and if McSain keeps shooting himself in the foot, nevermind when the debates come up when you can compare a health younger man with a slumping old fart that McCain is, I think a light will go on in the public and it will be a landside. Obama is a better public speaker as it is, I don't see how they can deflect that...
In any case he is open to talking to people. So we need to keep him on that track. We could use opening trade with Cuba its closer than China for one thing... Cuba could be a new market for carnal desires with open travel between the two countries and I think that will happen.
Yes we have way too much to do otherwise then to bust "johns", I don't even think that will come up unless a Republican is involved...
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]ok, i got one too from tonight. I was in a club. talked to some russian chics who have been here for years and some were very americanized. One seemed to be interested. I asked her for he phone number(before that i got a phone# from another girl with no problem). This is her answer;
"- Did I give you my business card?
- No
- oh yeah,but you gave me yours, right
- yes
- Ok, tomorrow I am going to write you an email in the form 'It was nice to meet you, etc.., ok?
-... ok"
That was one of the most creative ways to say "fuck off idiot" I have ever heard. What's funny, the girl was not even looking good, compared to others. after 4 drinks I was just curious what she would say. actually I was 100% sure she'd gladly give me her phone#(another one looking hot gave it to me), but this one ugly ***** came up with this bullshit. That's really funny and amazing, I'm out of this freaking country soon, dudes;)[/QUOTE]
Its freaking amazing actually...
How can ugly women and fat woman dictate who they end up dating???
ONLY IN AMERICA
Russian women, along with other American women in America are overvauled. Russians/Ukrainains feel because they tend to be thinner, they are automatically a better choice than obese American women. They are half right, it depends on their age. I can find plenty of mid 20something that are just as thin and just as sexy and play just as many "games" as any other American woman does.
Internet Dating sites are overrun with desperate AM and unwanted and equally desperate AW (especially those with children and over 30). Those under 30 claim, no good men are left. What they are saying is no Tyson Beckford/Brad Pitt types are left (they are dating better looking women than the ones complaining) so instead of being realistic about their options they continue down this path until they are 35 and unmarried and all the REAL smart and nice guys are YES taken already, unless your hold outs like me..lol
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Its freaking amazing actually...
How can ugly women and fat woman dictate who they end up dating???
ONLY IN AMERICA
[/QUOTE]
yes DJ, it is amazing! I guess I should get to get used to it and shut up, as the majority of the "free" country. but I'm just laughing at those stupid cunts! while I'm being "humiliated" by AW(and AW-wannabees), right now I'm planning two vacations with a beautiful Ukrainian girl she's also a part-time photomodel) and with a Moscow gf(I am not paying for them) It's out of my comprehension what I lack to get any sympathy of AW;)
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Barack Obama is a very bright guy[/QUOTE]
It's frustrating when I deal with people who connect the Presidential sweepstakes in the United States to some aspect of their everyday life. I'd like to suggest that is almost always [b]not[/b] the case. There are few ways politics is going to help you get laid. This is a good thing - historically, the stronger the connection between sex and government the worse the government.
When you look objectively at American government you understand the likelyhood of your getting laid has [i]much[/i] more to with who your locally elected officials are, and once you've done that, you will understand how silly it is trying to draw a connection between these two things at all.
It's like trying to fit a conversation about American politics onto a thread about American women. (There is, btw, an American politics thread on this forum).
Having said that, Obama is a lawyer. In that important sense, exactly like every other Democrat who's been nominated for the office over the past 30 years. He's the same type of animal as Eliot Spitzer. He will fight whatever fight is politically efficient, he will go with the flow - that's why you've seen such striking shifts over to more conservative positions since he's locked up the nomination. He would lock you up for soliciting as fast as the next ambitious lawyer, without an once of self-reflection.
Arguments about where a person has lived, our how old they are, or what their first car was, or their skin color - that's a woman's way of picking a boyfriend, not a man's way of picking an elected official.
To the extent that he election does impact your life, you can be sure Obama will lock up the endorsement of the National Organization of Women and other women's groups. He will do so after making significant promises to them. They are not happy with how the whole Hillary thing went down, and they are a core part of the Democratic Party, and Obama needs them to win. The combination of a Demoratic Congress with a Democrat president, beholden to women's groups, is not promising news for American men. I'd encourage you to look at these groups, and see if you line up with thier politics, before you jump in bed with Obama.
while i appreciate the long speech, i'll take obama any day over the other 70+yr old fella. god help us all, if mccain is elected president.
[quote=jelly donut]it's frustrating when i deal with people who connect the presidential sweepstakes in the united states to some aspect of their everyday life. i'd like to suggest that is almost always [b]not[/b] the case. there are few ways politics is going to help you get laid. this is a good thing - historically, the stronger the connection between sex and government the worse the government.
when you look objectively at american government you understand the likelyhood of your getting laid has [i]much[/i] more to with who your locally elected officials are, and once you've done that, you will understand how silly it is trying to draw a connection between these two things at all.
it's like trying to fit a conversation about american politics onto a thread about american women. (there is, btw, an american politics thread on this forum).
having said that, obama is a lawyer. in that important sense, exactly like every other democrat who's been nominated for the office over the past 30 years. he's the same type of animal as eliot spitzer. he will fight whatever fight is politically efficient, he will go with the flow - that's why you've seen such striking shifts over to more conservative positions since he's locked up the nomination. he would lock you up for soliciting as fast as the next ambitious lawyer, without an once of self-reflection.
arguments about where a person has lived, our how old they are, or what their first car was, or their skin color - that's a woman's way of picking a boyfriend, not a man's way of picking an elected official.
to the extent that he election does impact your life, you can be sure obama will lock up the endorsement of the national organization of women and other women's groups. he will do so after making significant promises to them. they are not happy with how the whole hillary thing went down, and they are a core part of the democratic party, and obama needs them to win. the combination of a demoratic congress with a democrat president, beholden to women's groups, is not promising news for american men. i'd encourage you to look at these groups, and see if you line up with thier politics, before you jump in bed with obama.[/quote]
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Its freaking amazing actually...
How can ugly women and fat woman dictate who they end up dating???
ONLY IN AMERICA
[/QUOTE]
From my point of view, it is not amazing at all. It is very rational given the the evolution of US society.
In the 50's and 60's, pioneer women rightfully demanded the same economic and legal rights as men. In the 70's and 80's, spiteful, bitter, manhating feminazis hi-jacked the women's movement and used it to hurt and belittle men, and erode their rights. The original feminists wanted to lift women up. The feminazis see the way to make men and women equal is to drag men down.
So now we men are down at the level of fat and ugly women. And they can in fact dictate whom they date!
JD does make some good points about how Obama would have to pander to NOW but I think any candidate would have to do that. And I think a Democratic nominee would be more likely to say, "By God you're right; we have to do something about prostitution" and then fucking forget all about it.
Anyway it doesn't make shit difference to me; I am long gone. But I'm still going to vote. I'm a "yellow dog" Democrat (if anyone is old enough to remember what that means) anyway so I'd probably vote for Obama whether I liked him or not, but I pretty much do like him.
Now moving back closer to American women: I have an AW friend who is 50, in decent shape, college degree, makes good money (not great money), owns her own house, and is fairly recently widowed (two years). She has begun corresponding with guys in prison. She is only corresponding with "non-violent offenders" who have "less than a year until parole."
How do I pound some sense into her from 5,000 miles away? I told her to go to a bar and get laid. She had one BF since her husband died, who sounded like a real loser: lived at home (sorry DJ), had lost his license for multiple DUIs, low-paying job, blah blah. [b]He[/b] dumped [/b] her because she would not come pick him up and expected him to take the bus to her house.
I'm not saying she's a great catch. She is kind of a *****, but she's a lot of fun and loves sex. Prison inmates? What is up with that?
Imagine being married to Tiffany Pollard's ( I Love New York-reality show) mama, Sister Patterson!
She is one evil: (B)ad (I)ndividual (T)o (C)ome (H)ome!
"Death Proof": Kurt Russel's character, Stuntman Mike had the right idea about how to deal with stuck-up AW! But, unfortunately, it led to his demise!
[QUOTE=Dickhead]
Now moving back closer to American women: I have an AW friend who is 50, in decent shape, college degree, makes good money (not great money), owns her own house, and is fairly recently widowed (two years). She has begun corresponding with guys in prison. She is only corresponding with "non-violent offenders" who have "less than a year until parole."
How do I pound some sense into her from 5,000 miles away? I told her to go to a bar and get laid. She had one BF since her husband died, who sounded like a real loser: lived at home (sorry DJ), had lost his license for multiple DUIs, low-paying job, blah blah. [b]He[/b] dumped [/b] her because she would not come pick him up and expected him to take the bus to her house.
I'm not saying she's a great catch. She is kind of a *****, but she's a lot of fun and loves sex. Prison inmates? What is up with that?[/QUOTE]
It seems that your AW friend has some control issues. She apparently likes to play prison warden. From what you've written, she likes men who are dependent and unable to control what happens in their lives. This is not unusual among American women. Really, there is nothing that you can do or say that will make her change her mind. In fact, your opposition will only make her that much more eager and determined to proceed with her endeavor.
I have to agree with that statement, since having a brain of your own (Unless you have millions, are named Mr. Pitt, Mr. D. Washington, Mr. Gates, etc.). Their demands are starting to deteriorate some old institutions (Such as marriage, boyfriend/girlfriend, or just plain friends). This is why I refer to all females I know as colleagues or acquaintances. One must keep relationships with AW professional and distant if one wishes to keep their bearings. There is absolutely nothing to gain by having any kind of intimate relationship with an AW anymore. Before, just about 15 years ago, there was the HOPE of developing intimate relations with someone special. Now, everytime a good looking female prospect wishes to approach a male, if she is interested, they tend to give you a cold shoulder until they find out perhaps your salary scale. I don't have millions, but I do OK, so this puts me always on the playing field; however, you can see the hypocrisy in the before and after of them, the good ol' AW, acquiring this knowledge. It happens all the time I go out. Before, AW are always cold, distant and not willing to give me the time a day once we meet. Once I leave the table and return, my jokes are now REALLY funny, and I'm getting a lot of pokes and hand grabbing, and hair flipping, and, well, you've seen AW's in full flirt mode. I have seen this a lot. Always, after they find out how much I make from my wingmen or acquaintances, the behavior changes radically, as if to say he wasn't worthed before, but NOW, he is a catch. It is never what they can bring into a possible relationship, but what they can GET from YOU!!! So, I go on my trips, get what I want, when I want, completely free of restrictions. The best part is to look these b*tches in the eye, know what they want and be unresponsive. I don't care how hard they try, it just ain't happening. As I tell people I trust, I just have way too much to lose to get involved in the ultimate no-win scenario. They have one thing I want, but they want everything I have. Not a good deal. On the other hand, If she makes more money than me, and the criteria is right, then that would be worth working for. But for now, since AW continue to use their look as bait, I am not taking a bite until I find an equal. It would be a cold day in hell when that happens...
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]It seems that your AW friend has some control issues. She apparently likes to play prison warden. From what you've written, she likes men who are dependent and unable to control what happens in their lives. This is not unusual among American women. Really, there is nothing that you can do or say that will make her change her mind. In fact, your opposition will only make her that much more eager and determined to proceed with her endeavor.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I think AWs can make good friends. In fact I have more women friends than men friends. But I do think my AW friends are more like men than most women: profane, direct, competitive, cynical, blah blah. Plus they pay their own way. My friend who is fixing to fuck her life up with some convict will not ever let anyone pay for her drinks or anything like that. No no. Split the check. She can out-cuss most sailors, out-drink most men, doesn't take shit, doesn't give a shit, not in the shit business. A great friend for 20+ years but I could never date her. She does definitely have a thing for weak men she can dominate and now that I think about it, I think her stepfather went to prison when she was growing up.
Chocha Monger is right and I won't say anything more to her besides "hope it works out for you."
[QUOTE=Dickhead]JD does make some good points about how Obama would have to pander to NOW but I think any candidate would have to do that. And I think a Democratic nominee would be more likely to say, "By God you're right; we have to do something about prostitution" and then fucking forget all about it.
Anyway it doesn't make shit difference to me; I am long gone. But I'm still going to vote. I'm a "yellow dog" Democrat (if anyone is old enough to remember what that means) anyway so I'd probably vote for Obama whether I liked him or not, but I pretty much do like him.
Now moving back closer to American women: I have an AW friend who is 50, in decent shape, college degree, makes good money (not great money), owns her own house, and is fairly recently widowed (two years). She has begun corresponding with guys in prison. She is only corresponding with "non-violent offenders" who have "less than a year until parole."
How do I pound some sense into her from 5,000 miles away? I told her to go to a bar and get laid. She had one BF since her husband died, who sounded like a real loser: lived at home (sorry DJ), had lost his license for multiple DUIs, low-paying job, blah blah. [b]He[/b] dumped [/b] her because she would not come pick him up and expected him to take the bus to her house.
I'm not saying she's a great catch. She is kind of a *****, but she's a lot of fun and loves sex. Prison inmates? What is up with that?[/QUOTE]
None taken....
What I have to keep explaining however is that every since I stopped driving trucks, I've had a job the last few years that's basically "Slave Labor". This year they didn't give any raises, last year I got a nickel raise. All this is FAR below what I made driving trucks by about $800 a month. It gets the job done but with the cost of living in California being what it is, its either buy a car I want or drive a POS, work two jobs and have an apartment or work two jobs and have both, I rather work ONE job (recently started looking for a second for my trip actually, not so I can afford to move out).
For some Americans, this would be NORMAL.... I find that abnormal... Remember Bush and the woman that worked 3 jobs "Uniquely American", coming from a brain dead (because of Cocaine use) man that's lived a life of total privilege and they are calling Obama an Elitist and too skinny, hmmmm
I've said before I can find women that will accept my situation, however they aren't what I am looking for and this would be were somebody would say I am being picky or face it this is what you have to work with unless you change.
I'm focused on moving out and staying out, that means completely able to afford to own my property when I buy it. Getting help from the FHA is not even an issue, I can get it. But I shouldn't have to move to Katrina country to get a washed out house for $100,000 or less. I can get those prices in Las Vegas and I'm seriously considering it...
In any event, I haven't found a woman YET in Europe that CARES about that and most of it has to do with the fact she's not able to come over like a local woman would WANT TOO. All they are worried about is if they come out to be with me are we going to live with MOM and the answer is NO, NO and NO, I snap my fingers I'll sign a lease (for an Apt) but not before that.
So now that you have the full story we can stop using me as cannon fodder - ;)
Here in a nutshell, is the problem with AW......American Men. We spoil 'em, treat 'em like royalty and we get "shit" upon.
Here's an AW, who looks like an overweight hippo and expects between $150-$250/session. She's obviously getting it from some desperate
American guys. I doubt she would have a chance in Europe, Thailand or any of the other monger havens.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Here in a nutshell is the problem with AW......American Men. We spoil 'em, treat 'em like Queens and we get "shit" upon.
Here's an AW, who looks like an overweight hippo and expects between $150-$250/session. She's obviously getting it from some desperate American guys. I doubt she would have a chance in Europe, Thailand or any of the other monger havens.[/QUOTE]Oh Lord, have mercy on my eyes. I would never pay for that.
Why'd you quit driving trucks to work slave labor, if you don't mind the question?
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Here in a nutshell, is the problem with AW......American Men. We spoil 'em, treat 'em like royalty and we get "shit" upon.
Here's an AW, who looks like an overweight hippo and expects between $150-$250/session. She's obviously getting it from some desperate
American guys. I doubt she would have a chance in Europe, Thailand or any of the other monger havens.[/QUOTE]She might get twice that if she found somebody with a whale-fucking fetish.
But jokes aside, AW aren't THAT bad. That pic is pretty extreme and says more about the sad state of prostitution in the US more than anything else.
There are plenty of hot AWs out there and yes, they are available to guys who can bring a few basic things to the table:
1) decent looks
2) a job/future
3) a car
4) some basic social/communication skills
5) machismo/sexual drive
Most of my friends are happily married to attractive non-fat women and on a recent visit to them, I had no difficult meeting attractive girls.
I know by experience that the US market is not the best or easiest market for men looking for hot women, but it isn't hell either. In fact, I find it rather great. No place on this planet offers more variety than the US.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Here in a nutshell, is the problem with AW......American Men. We spoil 'em, treat 'em like royalty and we get "shit" upon.
Here's an AW, who looks like an overweight hippo and expects between $150-$250/session. She's obviously getting it from some desperate
American guys. I doubt she would have a chance in Europe, Thailand or any of the other monger havens.[/QUOTE]
OUCH! this is disgusting! even if they paid me $1000 or a million i cannot do it physically.
So some guys do pay for that??
Ok, anyways, can someone explain me. Why everybody says you can go to any American bar and pickup a woman for free(or "actually" they will pick you up), but at the same time people pay $200 to fuck an ugliest skunk! any logic to this? Am I missing something?
American women are the only women I know of who first ask, what type of car do you drive, what type of job do you have, how much money do you make and of course you better be above average looking to even start a conversation. It is why American men are so shell shocked when they travel overseas and see women who look like models very approachable and friendly.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
There are plenty of hot AWs out there and yes, they are available to guys who can bring a few basic things to the table:
1) decent looks
2) a job/future
3) a car
4) some basic social/communication skills
5) machismo/sexual drive
Most of my friends are happily married to attractive non-fat women and on a recent visit to them, I had no difficult meeting attractive girls.
I know by experience that the US market is not the best or easiest market for men looking for hot women, but it isn't hell either. In fact, I find it rather great. No place on this planet offers more variety than the US.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]She might get twice that if she found somebody with a whale-fucking fetish.
But jokes aside, AW aren't THAT bad. That pic is pretty extreme and says more about the sad state of prostitution in the US more than anything else.
There are plenty of hot AWs out there and yes, they are available to guys who can bring a few basic things to the table:
1) decent looks
2) a job/future
3) a car
4) some basic social/communication skills
5) machismo/sexual drive
Most of my friends are happily married to attractive non-fat women and on a recent visit to them, I had no difficult meeting attractive girls.
I know by experience that the US market is not the best or easiest market for men looking for hot women, but it isn't hell either. In fact, I find it rather great. No place on this planet offers more variety than the US.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound so great I want to stay. NOT!
Bottom line is the amount of money and education you have determines the quality of pussy you will get. If you have good looks that over rules everything and women will throw themselves at you, (prettiest peacock gets ALL the pussy). This a complicated society. There is a lot of shit to be taken in consideration- even when it comes to something as basic as sex.
Your right Skank. Remember, here your always being evaluated:
Money,looks, personality, education, power, sense of humor, baggage you bring to the table, debt.
Your being judged not one day , but every day!. Cause grass is always greener with someone else, for you and her.
I travel too much. Women know they(or I) will be fucking someone else eventually.
Most men are angry because the power pedulum has swung the womans way, and men are judged as being the problem in any relationship gone bad. Some women don't even consider the fact that they may be fucked up. Cops are ready to take you away in a DV situation. Women get the children usually in divorce. They take all your shit when you break up.
Have you noticed how men are portrayed to be such idiots even in the TV commercials? We are being emasculated. You know , it just is so much easier to go to PI, Thai, fuck em, throw a fin on the table and walk away.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]American women are the only women I know of who first ask, what type of car do you drive, what type of job do you have, how much money do you make and of course you better be above average looking to even start a conversation. It is why American men are so shell shocked when they travel overseas and see women who look like models very approachable and friendly.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure, it's kinda questionable. I would say that Russian women will ask more these kind of questions! Especially now in Moscow many of them are very materialistic.
I think the major problem is that the AW do not really need men. They are fine without them. They even showed it on TV several years ago, a questionarie "what do you do when you want sex". the girls said anything but sex.. "i eat, i go to gym, etc.." If you ask a girl from another country the answer would be obvious and normal. Of course if she wants sex, she finds a man. Not in America!
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]American women are the only women I know of who first ask, what type of car do you drive, what type of job do you have, how much money do you make and of course you better be above average looking to even start a conversation. It is why American men are so shell shocked when they travel overseas and see women who look like models very approachable and friendly.[/QUOTE]Not only AWs interested in that, even if it may be predominant in US chick culture. It is asked in one way or another in many cultures. As Goga Fung correctly said, In Slavic culture it is pretty much covered in the first 15 minutes of conversation. In a sense, I think it is even legit, depending on what choices the female has.
But what I definitely agree on is what Naked Gunz alluded to. The American male is routinely made out to be a complete buffoon on TV.
American women are funny to watch overseas. They either turning into raging *****s, complain immensely about the sluttily-dressed but much more attractive local female or just shut up completely and count the days until they can return home to where their sense of universe returns to normal.
Aw's have dragged men down, now both sexes struggle to find good jobs to support a middle class lifestyle and Naked Gunz is correct when he says most men are angry. I count muself as one.
Been divorced once and simply can't imagine hooking up with an AW in a LTR ever again.
Last night (Saturday) I went to a local club that is known as a meeting spot for divorced/single men/women 30 to 60 years. And there were plenty of sad faces men and women. Men gazed at the women dancing with other women mostly except when a real slow song same on on then the men wouls slow dance with the women, others hung out by the bar drinking and seizing up the men and women around the bar and tables.
I had the opportunity to chat with the women but only for quick hook ups, I wouldn't entertain the thought of an LTR. But once out of the country my feeling change and I view women differntly, I trust them more and believe it when they say they care for me. And the subjects of money, work, etc don't surface.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]She might get twice that if she found somebody with a whale-fucking fetish.
But jokes aside, AW aren't THAT bad. That pic is pretty extreme and says more about the sad state of prostitution in the US more than anything else.
There are plenty of hot AWs out there and yes, they are available to guys who can bring a few basic things to the table:
1) decent looks
2) a job/future
3) a car
4) some basic social/communication skills
5) machismo/sexual drive
Most of my friends are happily married to attractive non-fat women and on a recent visit to them, I had no difficult meeting attractive girls.
I know by experience that the US market is not the best or easiest market for men looking for hot women, but it isn't hell either. In fact, I find it rather great. No place on this planet offers more variety than the US.[/QUOTE]
That's what I have been saying all along. Looks is number one. I know from experience. I don't drink, smoke, stay in the gym 24/7, earn six figures, but the face is everything....If you have the face finding pussy in the states is easy.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Looks is number one. ....but the face is everything. If you have the face finding pussy in the states is easy.[/QUOTE]
Awww c'mon now...in every second post on this thread, someone asks why he should have to settle for ugly/fat/older women! Beauty is coveted by both men and women.
It depends on what sort of relationship you're looking for, too. If we're talking marriage, I'd much rather be with a nice guy who looks like a troll than a hottie who treats me like crap. But if we're talking casual pickups from bars...of course I'm gonna choose the gorgeous playboy! And if you guys had to choose between a cuddly but interesting 30-something and a stunning but vacuous 20-something, you'd do exactly the same thing.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Not only AWs interested in that, even if it may be predominant in US chick culture. It is asked in one way or another in many cultures.[/QUOTE]
I don't get the problem with asking what people do for work. In my experience it's always asked within the first few minutes of meeting, by [i]both[/i] parties. It's one of those questions that a) tell you more about the person you've just met (their passions, their skills, their lifestyle) and b) fills that uncomfortable silence after the initial introduction. In the latter case, women will invariably be the ones to ask the question, because most women have a morbid fear of silence. :)
But men ask just as often (men also ask other men and women ask other women). Unless she responds to your occupation with "Sorry, but you just don't earn enough for my liking", it's just a conversation starter in my books.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
There are plenty of hot AWs out there and yes, they are available to guys who can bring a few basic things to the table:
1) decent looks
2) a job/future
3) a car
4) some basic social/communication skills
5) machismo/sexual drive
[/QUOTE]
So what? I got all of these, and some of those points are several times better than USA average. it is still not worth the hastle to date a stupid chick for months, begging her to place me into her 'social' calendar, waiting for her "availability" etc.. And then once you're with her, she wants to hook you, all these marriage talks, etc..
I find it cheaper, more effective and rewarding flying to other countries where i meet pros and also have a few girlfriends.
[quote=dickhead]why'd you quit driving trucks to work slave labor, if you don't mind the question?[/quote]
i don't mind, its not a government secret..lol
i worked for two different companies over a 2.5 year span. i got training from one and was "forced" out by an injury. actually it was an offer by them to get me to pay for training and not keep my job or not keep my job and pay for the training (by contract), okay "big orange" has not seen that "payment", never will and its been charged off and will drop off my report in another 2 years - i win!
gee i bought a new car at that time, so i had to keep paying for it right? i went back to my courier job, which pays well given the amount of work you do, but with rising fuel cost (this was '04) i had planned on going back to trucking. "slave labor" by trucking standards is $400 a week but net is much lower when you consider you have to eat, take showers and all that stuff (only an issue when you drive coast to coast and canada).
one week i made about $300 and that hurt....
anyway after compairing my pay checks (weekly) vs (bi-weekly) i was getting being a courier, it was time to go back to driving a truck. from feb of '04 to dec of '04 i was doing courier duty. i contacted jb hunt and they asked me to go to training a week later. after 10 days of standards and practices, i was told i would be driving the lower 48 and canada. previously i had only driven a dedicated account in which i hardly left the state save for my weekly venture up to portland, ore.
well my dispatcher was driving me nuts and after 1 complete month out there, i said, i want to switch to this local program my home yard (south gate, for those of you familar with southern california). i did that and everything was fine, now to answer you question -
i had a series of small incidents with the truck from may to june of '05. not actual "accidents" they didn't happen on a public roads, no other cars/trucks were involved and to this day i can't explain it, maybe i grew too comfortable driving it or something and started taking things for granted. the last incident was happenstance, no other way to explain it, but its a violation of company policy and they can't insure me. so if i can't be insured i can't drive for them, i'm effectively out of a job.... no hard feelings, in fact they told me i could go back in 6 months. well i waited around for 6 months and then was told i had to drive for another company incident free for 6 months. i was like wtf, nonbody told me that and i had trouble getting a 3rd company to take me on and if that happen why would i go back to jb hunt??? lol, unless the company was terrible which happens, but truckers talk all you have to do is listen.
i considered buying a truck with my stepfather who also has a class a, but his back and knee are giving him problems so that was abandoned.
the problem is basically there would be more demand for my skills if i lived beyond the mississippi, since 45% of the population lives on that side of the country. my choices are limited and i won't drive for just anybody. managment i can deal with, its the shitty equipment i can't deal with! i had an older 2002 freightliner with schneider and it spent quite a few times in the shop and as the saying goes in trucking, if the wheels aren't turning your not making money... i had a perfectly good 2004 freightliner's transmission go out in upstate ny in jan and was rewarded with a brand new 2005 freightliner, never been driven and the speed limiter was higher - :)
low end companies can't afford to do things like this, but newer hardware is prefered by me. others guys don't care, i do. o/op (owner-operators) buy older trucks, trick them out (you've seen them). some buy new trucks, it really depends.
bottom line is, i guess i'm not willing to do what it takes to keep driving..lol
there's a possibility i can drive a bus for mta here in los angeles and the intial pay rate is about the same as driving a truck. but the hiring period is between now and end of sept and i'm not sure. i wouldn't allow me to travel next year like i want, but unless i can make more money between now and march i'm not going anywhere or my trip will be much shorter than orginally planned.
did that explain it well enough?
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]So what? I got all of these, and some of those points are several times better than USA average. it is still not worth the hastle to date a stupid chick for months, begging her to place me into her 'social' calendar, waiting for her "availability" etc.. And then once you're with her, she wants to hook you, all these marriage talks, etc..
I find it cheaper, more effective and rewarding flying to other countries where i meet pros and also have a few girlfriends.[/QUOTE]If you've got all of those why are you dating a chick for MONTHS and not getting anywhere?
But it's irrelevant, perhaps you are living in a place where the social dynamics are considerably worse than what I experienced. I also agree that pursuing women overseas is a most satisfying and rather easy (albeit ultimately expensive) hobby.
I also however contend that the state of the American female is not AS bad as it often is suggested here.
They aren't ALL hyperfat, unkempt, sniveling biaches that only want to screw your pocketbook.
None of you guys have sisters?! Mine's smoking hot and neither a biach nor a plotting money-hungry ho. Then again, not only I but the rest of the family would be on her ass if she decided dating a complete loser was for her. People... especially women IMO... look to at least maintain their social class when dating. You can't control who you fall in love with but you certainly can control the circumstances in which your dating takes place.
There does seem to be a dating/mating imbalance in the US however, even though I've heard other nations complain about their own women being inferior as well.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I don't get the problem with asking what people do for work. In my experience it's always asked within the first few minutes of meeting, by [i]both[/i] parties. It's one of those questions that a) tell you more about the person you've just met (their passions, their skills, their lifestyle) and b) fills that uncomfortable silence after the initial introduction. In the latter case, women will invariably be the ones to ask the question, because most women have a morbid fear of silence. :)
[/QUOTE]I also don't see it as a problem and what someone is doing in life says something about them. Neither is it just about money. For example in my experience women adore men who are passionate about something and have drive to reach a goal, any goal really.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]She might get twice that if she found somebody with a whale-fucking fetish.
But jokes aside, AW aren't THAT bad. That pic is pretty extreme and says more about the sad state of prostitution in the US more than anything else.
There are plenty of hot AWs out there and yes, they are available to guys who can bring a few basic things to the table:
1) decent looks
2) a job/future
3) a car
4) some basic social/communication skills
5) machismo/sexual drive
Most of my friends are happily married to attractive non-fat women and on a recent visit to them, I had no difficult meeting attractive girls.
I know by experience that the US market is not the best or easiest market for men looking for hot women, but it isn't hell either. In fact, I find it rather great. No place on this planet offers more variety than the US.[/QUOTE]
Your correct!
Its been said ad nauseum...
There several problems with that assessment -
I still say and RN would agree that "looks" is pushed further down on the list for the average woman as other factors increase/descrease as time goes on.
Everybody likes EYE CANDY, that's fine. When I say I can't get "hot" chicks, I believe I am being a realist and base my looks (7) on what I can attract which more often is "6" and worst and seldom "7" and higher when you introduce other factors into this.
In an office environment, you might find access to "7" and higher easier than say working at many service sector jobs. Now if your between 18 and 25, there still a good source of "talent" in the service sector, usually career workers or students.
Students tend to be broke and workers early in their career cycle tend to be poor as well. So many date; like with like.
Earning Potential is seldom a factor...
This changes as our culture puts "time limits" on certain activities.
By age 30, your expected to be out of the home, working full time or working on your extended education.
If you FAIL that test, from an AW point of view, you better have a good reason. For many women the reason is unprepared motherhood and they get upset when you don't hand them a "Get Out of Jail Free" card as that's some how a more responsible change in lifestyle than what I have done for example.
How many women are living with parents with their own children and still get a PASS by many MEN because they know by age 30 and if you haven't taken advantage of the things say Doc has done (with education) you find yourself working a local job for a pittance and despite your looks, your selection is much lower.
Here's an example -
How many American Soldiers are married to "Hot" Wives? Very FEW! That includes men married to women say from Japan, Germany or UK where we have bases.
Most of these women are average to above average looking at best and sometimes worst than that.
1) They have job security (provided they aren't killed)
2) Most have nice cars because everything else that would matter in the private sector is paid for by the Federal Government. Nevermind they get deep discounts from all the major car manufactures.
3) You're a solider, can't get any more [i]Macho[/i] than being paid to kill people...
4) If you really enjoy killing people, you can work for Blackwater for 6 digits a year when your contract is up.
Only Officers tend to have access to better looking women then grunts do. Every so often yes a solider, ex-solider is married to hot woman, but that comes at a cost as many men suffer from PTSD and other social "problems", heavy drinking being one of them.
That comes from we're not getting the sharpest knives in the drawer to join the armed forces.
In fact the sharpest knives are involved in big business, finance, justice and politics...
The rest of us are scrambling around because we have turned into a "Greed is Good" culture that has us consuming a dizzying rate. Now slowed by a slumping economy; of course for those with money are doing just fine (Lamborghini reported record sales last month, while GM, Ford and Cerbus are all hurting big time)
I'll also add in a factor that could be controversial....
Caucasians in America don't want to be associated with being POOR, it totally screws up that White Supremacist mindset that's embedded in our culture, in other words, you make the wrong choices and you'll be like the rest of us... So White women don't want to date Poor men period, end of story. If they are POOR (single mothers usually are) then even more importance is put on that, but requirements get pushed WAY down -
1) He not beat me because he's drunk/high on some drug, nor controlled by some substance.
2) He be respectful to my family, friends and my children
3) Have a DECENT job. Since they work at Wal-Mart isn't that hypocrisy if they won't date a guy that works at Pep Boys????
4) Decent Looks
You see its BACKWARDS!
So that comes to where I am and where you are Doc.
You have education, which lead to profitable employment and work benefits like traveling overseas. You make a heap of money compared to me I'm sure, in fact I'll venture to guess half of my father's life insurance "windfall" which is my half after the split with my sister, is about 2/3rds of your yearly income.
Working where I work now is equal to slave labor without the beatings because its not even enough to live a half way decent lower middle class lifestyle, its equal to WORKING POOR!
So unless I "bend" the rules in my favor, I end up with nice looking, even hot in some cases MILF's that expect about as much from me as I expect from them, just a decent life.
By bending the rules and paying for "access" others usually get for free or on a discounted basis, my selection is not only much wider but much younger and is filled with plenty of landmines to turn off the average single male in this country, which is why its a path seldom travelled.
Nevermind the propaganda Naked Gunz speaks of that taints the thoughts of many sheeple.
I could call myself a "looser" but deep inside I know I'm not so I refuse to accept that title, though American culture has effectively heaped it on me.
So therefore I struggle and Warbucks and Doc don't... In a Nutshell
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]If you've got all of those why are you dating a chick for MONTHS and not getting anywhere?
But it's irrelevant, perhaps you are living in a place where the social dynamics are considerably worse than what I experienced. I also agree that pursuing women overseas is a most satisfying and rather easy (albeit ultimately expensive) hobby.
I also however contend that the state of the American female is not AS bad as it often is suggested here.
They aren't ALL hyperfat, unkempt, sniveling biaches that only want to screw your pocketbook.
None of you guys have sisters?! Mine's smoking hot and neither a biach nor a plotting money-hungry ho. Then again, not only I but the rest of the family would be on her ass if she decided dating a complete loser was for her. People... especially women IMO... look to at least maintain their social class when dating. You can't control who you fall in love with but you certainly can control the circumstances in which your dating takes place.
There does seem to be a dating/mating imbalance in the US however, even though I've heard other nations complain about their own women being inferior as well.[/QUOTE]
My sister isn't cute and [i]is[/i] fat. That might be horrible to say but its the truth and has its legacy embedded in our typical American household which includes Divorce.
She is SMART however, but men tend to overlook that, don't we.. She's going to St John's on scholarship.
I won the battle of "wills" between my mother and me and well you see the result, not ideal. It could be worst, I could be a career criminal, I mean I'm a Black Man in America is anything else expected of me? lol
The Grass is Greener factor plays out interestingly doesn't it?
We complain, we venture overseas, its paradise...
They complain, venture to America, its paradise....
Its BACKWARDS!
It just means opposites attract more often that one would think. American women like men tend to be outgoing, boisterous, yet conservative sexually (at least in public) and less family oriented (to a point). For young Europeans, this is IDEAL, where European women tend to want to date based on long term goals more often than just having a good time while it last.
As you push further east, while changing daily, that's still the usual case.
Also there's the value of Sex. As you know Sex is basically a CRIME against humanity in America. So women tend to set up test and requirements before giving up the pussy. I thought this was dating not an interview for employment. You have to meet certain social requirements, I get that, but in social environments like nightclubs/bars, is this really necessary?
The only requirement should be -
1) Is he decent looking, even sexy in low light and in good light
2) Does he have the gift of gab, can he make the short time he's with you interesting
If you pass those test, in Europe your fucking, in America, you get a phone number. If you add alcohol to the mix, then the chances of you fucking an American women goes up by about 50%, in Europe is increases to about 90%.
That's your social imbalance.... (if we are talking about dating of course)
It takes min. ONE date to get laid in America, it usually 3-5.
I haven't actually dated anybody in Europe so I have no first hand experience but plenty of second hand information and if I'm wrong please set me straight.
Location, Location, Location!
Being WHO I am, using my ISG social intelligence to its maximum. If I venture into a German town with a nightlife that involves a US Military Installation as its main patrons, then a typical night there might be abnormal compared to what happens ANYWHERE in America and the factors I listed are the ONLY factors involved.
This wouldn't happen as easily in America and we all know this.
There is hardly any separation of sexual encounters from dating in America, they are intertwined.
Only as women get older, in social environments this changes SLIGHTLY and becomes more like what I said above.
I happen to be one of many Americans that think women between 30-40 with no children and unmarried, there is usually a reason and its not good. Depending on what your goals are, if they desire not to have children, this puts them at odds with the desires of most men from Western culture. If they have children from a previous relationship, they are looked at as "damaged goods". I don't have a problem with MILF's but its not ideal and as long as I think its not ideal, I'll keep down this expensive path you just mentioned as the end result will mean more social security for me in the long run.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I also don't see it as a problem and what someone is doing in life says something about them. Neither is it just about money. For example in my experience women adore men who are passionate about something and have drive to reach a goal, any goal really.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree but when you work in the service sector, umm many write you off as not goal oriented... Without asking of course...
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Awww c'mon now...in every second post on this thread, someone asks why he should have to settle for ugly/fat/older women! Beauty is coveted by both men and women.
It depends on what sort of relationship you're looking for, too. If we're talking marriage, I'd much rather be with a nice guy who looks like a troll than a hottie who treats me like crap. But if we're talking casual pickups from bars...of course I'm gonna choose the gorgeous playboy! And if you guys had to choose between a cuddly but interesting 30-something and a stunning but vacuous 20-something, you'd do exactly the same thing.[/QUOTE]
Yes RN you are absolutely right. I wasn't complaining just stating, we all have the right to choose. I have a co-worker who is about 6'2 and 340 pounds. So you can pretty much guess he has a hard time getting women. Sometime he confides in me about his social struggles. I try to get him in the gym he is not consistent but he tries some time.
This morning while speaking about the dating pool where we are now American soldiers, OGNs (Other Government Organizations) etc… He said women always judge him about his appearance I simply told him Western Women like attractive men. He said yeah but you have a gorgeous girlfriend. I told him she is an Asian born and raised in Asia. In that part of the world a man with a good job is valued not so much good looks….
I used to harbor anger towards the women of my country but now I realize they have the right to choose and so do I its that simple. The good Doctor is right again also about the fact no country on earth has such a wide and beautiful selection of women other then the USA.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]I don't get the problem with asking what people do for work. In my experience it's always asked within the first few minutes of meeting, by [i]both[/i] parties. It's one of those questions that a) tell you more about the person you've just met (their passions, their skills, their lifestyle)........[/QUOTE]
Stop right there... I don't think a person's career choice tells you anything about them. If a person is WG, Doctor or a Department of Defense worker like myself I can’t tell you anything about either of those people other then that it is the life that they chose or in my case the life the that chose me.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]
Stop right there... I don't think a person's career choice tells you anything about them. If a person is WG, Doctor or a Department of Defense worker like myself I can’t tell you anything about either of those people other then that it is the life that they chose or in my case the life the that chose me.[/QUOTE]
Yep just because you work for the Dept of Defence doesn't mean you support the War, Bush Policies or even a War Monger. Its a government job that has job security unlike the private sector now which boarders on anarchy, unless the government shuts down (possible but unlikely) you'll always have a job and more than likely retire from that same job.
I'm always told I'm way too smart to be working at an auto parts counter and they are right, I just haven't found my place in the world yet....
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Stop right there... I don't think a person's career choice tells you anything about them. If a person is WG, Doctor or a Department of Defense worker like myself I can’t tell you anything about either of those people other then that it is the life that they chose or in my case the life the that chose me.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean making an instant judgement on character based on their occupation - I'm the LAST person to want that to happen!
Sometimes it can reveal a specific passion or talent or skill, say if they're an artist, or a dive instructor, or in a caring/helping profession. Sometimes it gives you a bigger-picture view of their lifestyle, like doctors/police usually work long hours and are often on call, or oil riggers/defence contractors may spend extended periods out of the country (important information to have if you're considering dating someone). And other times it's just a conversation starter that [i]leads[/i] to more personal information, like the guy who says he's working at Kmart while he completes his first novel, then goes on to tell me about his passion for writing. If I asked *you* about your job and you told me it 'chose you', my next question would be "What would you rather be doing?" I just find occupation to be an unobtrusive way of getting people talking about themselves.
Folks check out this ad on Craigslist, it shows you just how demented and fucked up some American Women really are. She's amazed by all the responses she has received from the many desperate American men. Note she says, she has received many calls but has yet to meet anyone she likes.
It is my opinion, this woman has been recently involved in a nasty breakup with a husband or boyfriend and was probably chucked overboard for a much younger more attractive woman. So, to satisfy her hurt feelings, she places this ad to juice up her badly damaged ego.
America is the only country, I know of, where women have this much power over men.
[QUOTE]THE VERY SEXY LEOPARDESS - w4m - 50 (Gainesville, GA)
Reply to: [email]pers-782178013@craigslist.org[/email]
Eagerly she stalks her prey, her long blond hair falling down about her shoulders.
Her grey eyes are smoldering with passion, and her ivory haunches are quivering with desire.
Wet and nasty are her moves as she wants to slide her tight, pink cavern down on a hard, mobile rod.
It's tip rises up to greet her and she explodes in ecstasy, time after time, until the man below her is satiated, as are her own carnal lusts.
Do you care to join?
Follow me, and I will lead you to my den of passion and eroticy. Let's join one another, and satisfy our needs. There are no strings attached, just rich, ecstatic joy! Wanting hard, throbbing dicks that are up to the task...
***
an addendum:
Dear Gentlemen: I had absolutely no idea this ad would attract such a following. There's no way, gents, I can get to all your calls. I've ended up having to go to “voice mail only”. Why, there are 2 phone calls beeping in while I'm talking to the one! I'm very choosy who I see however, and have yet to meet my very first gentleman. I can hardly wait!
Know that, if you don't leave a number, you're not going to get a call back. I will not screen caller ID, and take the risk of ending up talking to a spouse, etc. Do not call until 10am as I am a writer and need time to work on my screenplays, novels, and children's book. THIS MONDAY ONLY I WILL ACCEPT CALLS FROM 7AM ONWARDS. USUALLY, PLEASE ONLY CALL BETWEEN 10AM-6/7PM WEEKDAYS AND 9AM-9PM ON WEEKENDS. I usually will not accept a call any other hours. I must write! Again, leave a NAME & NUMBER (and any special hours you would need me to call). Thank you so much for all your wonderful responses! I'll look forward to meeting my very first gentleman. (678) 513-0791 10AM-6/7PM ON WEEKDAYS; 9AM-9PM ON WEEKENDS [/QUOTE]
I have two sisters, both of whom are very bright. The older one is not cute, has a penchant for loser men, is dead broke even though she makes over $100k a year, and once told me she had never had a man go down on her, which was too much information.
The other one was cute when she younger and has big tits but she is a complete ***** who has her husband's balls totally twisted into a knot, and she's let herself go completely: fat, dresses in schmatas, etc.
Both of them are workaholics. Whereas, my brother retired at 42 and I just work seven months a year. Not sure how that happened. My younger sister has so much money that if I had her money I would throw my money away but all she cares about is piling up more. Maybe that is why my nephew is doing 20 years in Huntsville for violence against women.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]If you've got all of those why are you dating a chick for MONTHS and not getting anywhere?
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I have no idea! It is a puzzle for me. I think one of the problems could be that once they know what I do (such as travel, etc..) they realize that they won't be able to have a total control over me(I have noticed that women in America like to have control and kick their man ass), and they realize that I have fun when travel. So they do not wanna deal with me, since I'm not going to kiss their ass all the time.
On the other hand, my girlfriends from other countries realize that I hang out with other girls, and they do not have a problem with that. Of course they do not like that, but they accept this.
Another problem could be that while I am becoming older I still like younger girls. But In America women tend to like man of the same age or even younger. Opposite to what is customary in other countries. I can hardly find an attractive enough woman of my age (30's). Those chicks also are too "serious", have a lot of stupid goals, career, etc.. so my life style is not compatible with them.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
But it's irrelevant, perhaps you are living in a place where the social dynamics are considerably worse than what I experienced. I also agree that pursuing women overseas is a most satisfying and rather easy (albeit ultimately expensive) hobby.
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Yes, you are right. The place where I live is pretty messed up. It is very far from the best what USA can offer. Although here is one big University, which does not help much, except there are foreign girls, whom you can easily approach, at the very least they are gonna smile and be friendly, while many Americans may give you very mean look, like what the fuck do you want, I'm here with friends, etc...
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
I also however contend that the state of the American female is not AS bad as it often is suggested here.
They aren't ALL hyperfat, unkempt, sniveling biaches that only want to screw your pocketbook.
There does seem to be a dating/mating imbalance in the US however, even though I've heard other nations complain about their own women being inferior as well.[/QUOTE]
Of course there are some nice American women (I really hope:)
But to make it simple to decide which women are better, simply ask:
- How many desperate Latin men are coming to the USA to find an American wifie or GF?
- How many Russian men complain that Russian women are bad, ugly, etc.., so then need to look for a wife in the USA or Western Europe?
- How many Asian men complain that Asian women do not make a good wife, so they are dreaming of an American woman?
BTW, all those men are really proud of their women. Virtually all them believe that their women are the best.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]- How many Asian men complain that Asian women do not make a good wife, so they are dreaming of an American woman?[/QUOTE]
None complain that American women make better wives that Asian women. Many complain that local women are not 'available' enough for local men and they have to go to other Asian countries to look for wives.
Lower income Japanese regularly use marriage agencies to find Filipino wives. Many South Korean men try to find Chinese wives. An article I read explained that it has to do with social class and family ties. Women from middle class and upper class families MUST marry men from similar class/family backgrounds. Due to the preference for sons over daughters, there is now a marked shortage of women available for lower class men.
Some Asian men like the 'look' of American/Western women, ie big breasts. Those men are looking for American wives.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Of course there are some nice American women (I really hope:)
But to make it simple to decide which women are better, simply ask:
- How many desperate Latin men are coming to the USA to find an American wifie or GF?
- How many Russian men complain that Russian women are bad, ugly, etc.., so then need to look for a wife in the USA or Western Europe?
- How many Asian men complain that Asian women do not make a good wife, so they are dreaming of an American woman?
BTW, all those men are really proud of their women. Virtually all them believe that their women are the best.[/QUOTE]In my opinion its mainly a matter of economics, and in some cases, demographics. Western men want foreign women for the same reason that people in California hire Mexican gardeners. You can get more for less overseas. Everybody knows the story of the guy who couldn't get a girl to spit on him at home, but scores a sexy girlfriend overseas. And when it comes to prostitutes you can get the same service for far less overseas, with more girls available. Part of it is North America, Western Europe, etc. Are relatively well-off compared to many developing countries.
Another factor is demographics. North America, Europe and Japan all have low birthrates. Lots of aging people, not so many young people. And most men want young women. This means that there's a bunch of aging guys competing for the same young women. In many developing countries, on the other hand, like Philippines, for example, the population is mainly young. So there are far more young women available.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]
while I am becoming older I still like younger girls. But In America women tend to like man of the same age or even younger. Opposite to what is customary in other countries. I can hardly find an attractive enough woman of my age (30's). Those chicks also are too "serious", have a lot of stupid goals, career, etc.. so my life style is not compatible with them.
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I totally hear you buddy. A lot of us are in the same boat (ie. we still like 'em young, but the feeling sure as hell isn't mutual).
As far as "serious" goes, bullshit says I. Most of these so-called serious career women would drop and spread 'em in a heartbeat if they ever met the right guy. Or. at least, what they consider to be the right guy for them..... whatever the fuck that might be. I still haven't figured THAT one out.
What you need to do is decide whether you're in category A (prefer to pay for it) or are you in category B (you'd rather beg for it). Technically speaking, begging for it is free. But being in category A is much more empowering and here's why.
Paying for, and therefore getting access to, p*ssy means you are no longer dependent on your teaser kunt of a girlfriend for sex. Therefore you can tell her that "You feel like it's high time your relationship went to the next level". If she says some crap about not being ready, call her bluff. Tell her you're gonna go "explore your options" or something like that. You'll be able to say this with 100% confidence because (being in category A) you can get laid anytime you want. She'll see that you're serious and will either cave in and give you some action, or she'll tell you to take a hike. So you either start getting laid, or you just got rid of a little teaser that was never gonna put out anyways. Either way you win!
Rock
[quote=goga fung]another problem could be that while i am becoming older i still like younger girls. but in america women tend to like man of the same age or even younger. opposite to what is customary in other countries. i can hardly find an attractive enough woman of my age (30's). those chicks also are too "serious", have a lot of stupid goals, career, etc.. so my life style is not compatible with them.
[/quote]that is my major issue with us women and to a certain degree european women as well. though not exclusively as women of all ages have certain qualities i find very appealing, i do also like young (18-22) girls for a lot of reasons.
of course there are cases of the older "experienced and interesting" guy and the younger girl in western cultures as well, but it is rare and still carries a social stigma with it in most parts of the us and europe.
contrarily, i can talk to an 18-year old in russia for example and get some jealous stares from the guys her age, but generally i am at least going to get some traction and not get blown out immediately. i've gotten plenty of action this way. the social stigma is less as well, or even non-existent. the "older" guy is however expected to carry some social clout with him, whether that be money or position. just being old isn't really fascinating in itself, even if the "life experience" factor does play out positively.
in the us and europe young (18-22) girls generally date exclusively within their peer group or at most, guys one age bracket up... say 20 year old girl with 27 year old guy. i don't receive a rude response when i (almost 40) chat up young girls in the us/europe, but i do often get a wtf kind of look. either they aren't used to it, are put off by it or simply confused. their peer group will generally be totally against it. some dynamic cities like ny or la will have more old guy/young girl dating, but this is not the norm for the us and most of this is seemingly in places supporting industries where girls are looking to fuck themselves up the social ladder fast.
attitudes towards seem to be changing in ee as well though, at least to a certain degree as young men in those countries gain in social status/money, i.e. future perspectives for the girls. nonetheless, it still offers me personally the best social atmosphere to correspond to my dating habits and tastes.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]That is my major issue with US women and to a certain degree European women as well. Though not exclusively as women of all ages have certain qualities I find very appealing, I do also like young (18-22) girls for a lot of reasons.
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Doctor, I guess now you see what my problem is. Also once EE women come to the USA, in many cases they change and become similar to AW.
BTW, one day I was talking to some chicks in a mall, and the only one who was really considering to be my GF turned out to be 17. First I assumed she was 20-22 or something(she's already got chubby legs) but unfortunately she was younger. But the major issue, was - when she she asked my age and calculated the age difference, she was kinda in shock that I'm twice older than her. At least she reacted smiling, positive and was pleasantly surprised that such an old fart was interested in her. I guess her brain is not completely messed up yet, but she is on the way to become a real AW.
It's kinda messed up, here many girls look like they're kinda old (well over 20), but they are much younger in reality. one my Moscow GF is 25, but you would never think she is more than 20.
gf you are right in that aw age very fast. this is due to many factors including eating lots of junk food, not exercising, hummers (not the good kind!) and their generally negative sour attitudes.
so true the stigma of older guy/younger girl in the us. in most parts of the world no one would bat an eye.
db609, it's not just demographics and economics (hiring a mexican gardener) that drives the desire in the us for foreign women; it's far more complex than that. feminism and religious conservatism has made the seeking of sex to be a crime. feminists and religious wackos have been successful in the stigmatizing of sex. you have the feminists equating all heterosexual acts as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], and the wackos urging young girls to make "chastity pledges" because their virginity is their most valuable asset. no wonder with this irrationally dehumanizing and psychotic puritanical environment guys are seeking wives/sex friends/p4p abroad.
[QUOTE=Db609]In my opinion its mainly a matter of economics, and in some cases, demographics. Western men want foreign women for the same reason that people in California hire Mexican gardeners. You can get more for less overseas. Everybody knows the story of the guy who couldn't get a girl to spit on him at home, but scores a sexy girlfriend overseas. And when it comes to prostitutes you can get the same service for far less overseas, with more girls available. Part of it is North America, Western Europe, etc. Are relatively well-off compared to many developing countries.
Another factor is demographics. North America, Europe and Japan all have low birthrates. Lots of aging people, not so many young people. And most men want young women. This means that there's a bunch of aging guys competing for the same young women. In many developing countries, on the other hand, like Philippines, for example, the population is mainly young. So there are far more young women available.[/QUOTE]
Eh?
Low birthrates I agree with, but where I draw the line I do not go overseas because women in America won't pay attention to me. That's utter nonsense!
If I put any effort into it, I could have dates with countless local women many in their 30's, with children, which I do not find ideal at all having dated women with children before. Call it selfish if choose but I only want to be around MY children, not somebody else's child per say. Now if I married a single mother that's different and she brings much more to the table than just a low paying job, low education and constant drag on finances that could have been controlled like making your then boyfriend wear a condom...
Most of these women have NEVER BEEN MARRIED, they are not all products of DIVORCE.
[quote=doctor_skank]that is my major issue with us women and to a certain degree european women as well. though not exclusively as women of all ages have certain qualities i find very appealing, i do also like young (18-22) girls for a lot of reasons.
of course there are cases of the older "experienced and interesting" guy and the younger girl in western cultures as well, but it is rare and still carries a social stigma with it in most parts of the us and europe.
contrarily, i can talk to an 18-year old in russia for example and get some jealous stares from the guys her age, but generally i am at least going to get some traction and not get blown out immediately. i've gotten plenty of action this way. the social stigma is less as well, or even non-existent. the "older" guy is however expected to carry some social clout with him, whether that be money or position. just being old isn't really fascinating in itself, even if the "life experience" factor does play out positively.
in the us and europe young (18-22) girls generally date exclusively within their peer group or at most, guys one age bracket up... say 20 year old girl with 27 year old guy. i don't receive a rude response when i (almost 40) chat up young girls in the us/europe, but i do often get a wtf kind of look. either they aren't used to it, are put off by it or simply confused. their peer group will generally be totally against it. some dynamic cities like ny or la will have more old guy/young girl dating, but this is not the norm for the us and most of this is seemingly in places supporting industries where girls are looking to fuck themselves up the social ladder fast.
attitudes towards seem to be changing in ee as well though, at least to a certain degree as young men in those countries gain in social status/money, i.e. future perspectives for the girls. nonetheless, it still offers me personally the best social atmosphere to correspond to my dating habits and tastes.[/quote]
what will keeps the ee prevalent for dating and marrying younger women is that some of the prosperity you talk about hasn't spread much beyond the larger cities that are quickly becoming international cites (kiev, st pete, bucharest, etc). cities that previously relied on jobs and industry from mother russia are falling into decay or slowly changing and many people can't afford to leave or travel to these larger cities, not until they are finished in school (if we are talking strictly univ women) at least.
nevermind the visa restrictions that keeps most of these ladies in their home countries or where they can travel without such restrictions. seems egypt and turkey are high on the "vacation spot" list for many of these women.
there still plenty of uncharted waters in the ee as well as these countries are not tourist destinations just yet or ever.
i haven't talked to her in a about 10 days but i am in contact with a young lady all of 21. she's working over the summmer so she can afford to go back to school in the fall. could i hook up with a 21 year old in los angeles? maybe but how many girls would i have to run through before i found one that was comfortable with the age gap?
frankly i just don't think they are worth the effort...
[quote=yogin]gf you are right in that aw age very fast. this is due to many factors including eating lots of junk food, not exercising, hummers (not the good kind!) and their generally negative sour attitudes.
so true the stigma of older guy/younger girl in the us. in most parts of the world no one would bat an eye.
db609, it's not just demographics and economics (hiring a mexican gardener) that drives the desire in the us for foreign women; it's far more complex than that. feminism and religious conservatism has made the seeking of sex to be a crime. feminists and religious wackos have been successful in the stigmatizing of sex. you have the feminists equating all heterosexual acts as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], and the wackos urging young girls to make "chastity pledges" because their virginity is their most valuable asset. no wonder with this irrationally dehumanizing and psychotic puritanical environment guys are seeking wives/sex friends/p4p abroad.[/quote]
we do have a purtian streek (well i should say caucasians have a puritan streek) and the value of viginity is vastly overrated. only a handful of girls would raise their hand to say they wish they kept it, mainly because it was the manner in which they lost their virginity that's the major issue not the fact that they lost it.
[b]beware[/b] of jail bait, teen girls tend to look for somebody that will treat them with respect, as a woman, not a girl. this is because girls mature into women faster and not just physically. many of them secretly relish to have a sexual experience with a man that knows what he is doing. none of that youthful playing around, not quite sure what your doing, etc, etc, we've all been there... this tends not to make the first sexual experience the stuff of harlequin romance novels...
the official line on the subject of slightly less than legal women is - no!
the grey area that is reality is far different...
Once you fuck over 500 women you realize that skill, experience, and enthusiasm are what counts. And, it's hard to gain skill without experience. And if enthusiasm is lacking, then where is the motivation to gain quality experience?
So then you look at motivation. What is an American woman's motivation? Very little. Most have access to jobs and even without that, many have access to money. Lots of them have mucho family money.
Whereas, consider the motivation in Latin America. The women need money. They may have a steady man who provides the basics but that doesn't provide the money they need to help their relatives, improve their status, and buy (possibly superfluous amounts of) clothing and shoes.
Hence (virtually) every woman in Latin America is at least open to the possibility of fucking a financially established (or seemingly so) guy of [b]any[/b] age if will improve her lot in life. Plus they know that the older you are the more your desire will decrease. Oh wait a minute; Viagra. I bet women, if a poll were taken, would like to abolish Viagra.
Would Charles go to jail these days?
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[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]We do have a purtian streek (well I should say Caucasians have a Puritan streek) and the value of viginity is vastly overrated. Only a handful of girls would raise their hand to say they wish they kept it, mainly because it was the manner in which they lost their virginity that's the major issue not the fact that they lost it.
[b]Beware[/b] of jail bait, teen girls tend to look for somebody that will treat them with respect, as a woman, not a girl. This is because girls mature into women faster and not just physically. Many of them secretly relish to have a sexual experience with a man that knows what he is doing. None of that youthful playing around, not quite sure what your doing, etc, etc, we've all been there... This tends not to make the first sexual experience the stuff of Harlequin Romance Novels...
The official line on the subject of slightly less than legal women is - NO!
The GREY area that is reality is far different...[/QUOTE]
Caucasians puritanical!!?? LOL. There are many parts of Europe where public nudity is common. Germany is one place that immediately comes to my mind. I
actually took a trip to one their saunas and could not believe how people ran around casually butt naked, it was a quite a sight.
Asians are actually far more wound up than whites with regards to sexuality. In India a picture of a woman in a bikini is considered pornographic. Asian countries like Japan and China are also very strung up about sexuality in public places.
Germany is not exclusive to nudity, I could go about anywhere in Europe and see it, Spain, France, Italy, even parts of the Eastern bloc.
Even many Australians are casual about public sexuality, there are many nude beaches around the country, although Australians are not as open about it as Europeans but more than North Americans.
Today I talked to one American dude. he's only 20. And he already have learned that the American women are ugly bitches. - He's words! I even tried to argue. Then just for fun we made a test, I talked to two American girls. One of them first was kinda interested(just to talk) but had a BF and then said she does not wanna do anything with me. The other one admitted(!!!) she was single, but still she said NO(does not to do anything with me either). Anyway, both of them are hard to talk to, they have no idea how to flirt, how to talk to men, they are just plainly dumb and stupid. It is funny cause I can now easily talk and flirt in my fucked up Spanish with Latin girls, but cannot do this in English with most AW!
But at the same time they(those american girls) make a big deal out of them, and behave like they are the shit, and the only reason for that they've got a hole between their legs, although I really doubt they know what it is for. Some guys here brag they could score with AW if they wanted to, but they still dream/score with foreign chicks. Why do not just admit AW do suck big time, they got no class! And they have no idea how to behave.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Caucasians puritanical!!?? LOL. There are many parts of Europe where [b]public nudity[/b] is common. Germany is one place that immediately comes to my mind.
Asians are actually far more wound up than whites with regards to sexuality. In India a [b]picture[/b] of a woman in a bikini is considered pornographic. Asian countries like Japan and China are also very strung up about sexuality in [b]public places[/b]. [/QUOTE]
I agree with DJ. You are mixing apples and oranges. The public display of sexuality is one thing while the private expresion of sexuality through the sex acts is quite another. In private, the Asians are much less hung up about sex (according to those in the know) than Westerners, Americans in particular. Note that prostitution is legal in most eastern nations, while it is prosecuted to the point of perscution in the US.
[QUOTE=George90]I agree with DJ. You are mixing apples and oranges. The public display of sexuality is one thing while the private expresion of sexuality through the sex acts is quite another. In private, the Asians are much less hung up about sex (according to those in the know) than Westerners, Americans in particular. Note that prostitution is legal in most eastern nations, while it is prosecuted to the point of perscution in the US.[/QUOTE]
From Japan to PI its been my experience that Asian women are dynamos in bed. I am not talking about the P4P I am talking about the normal girls you pick up who genuine want to fuck you. The enthusiasm I have experienced has been unmatched by other ethnicies. In public most convey this almost child-like innocence its kind of funny to watch them turn into sex maniacs once the clothes come off....
It's not Caucasions who are puritanical; it's Americans. Whether it's expressed through the lens of feminism or religious fanaticism the fear of sex is essentially the same thing. For complex deep-seated historical reasons. Don't blame Europe! And nearly every American group, if assimilated enough, becomes puritanical sex-haters regardless of color or background.
DW is right. My experience with dozens of Asian girls, normal everyday ones (office workers/students/professionals) not sex workers or pornstars, is that they give the public impression of conservatism but in private are total ininhibited sex maniacs. As opposed to American girls who might tease you by their dress/behavior with the promise of good times yet are unwilling/unable to deliver the goods. Polar opposite.
[QUOTE=Yogin]It's not Caucasions who are puritanical; it's Americans. Whether it's expressed through the lens of feminism or religious fanaticism the fear of sex is essentially the same thing. For complex deep-seated historical reasons. Don't blame Europe! And nearly every American group, if assimilated enough, becomes puritanical sex-haters regardless of color or background.
DW is right. My experience with dozens of Asian girls, normal everyday ones (office workers/students/professionals) not sex workers or pornstars, is that they give the public impression of conservatism but in private are total ininhibited sex maniacs. As opposed to American girls who might tease you by their dress/behavior with the promise of good times yet are unwilling/unable to deliver the goods. Polar opposite.[/QUOTE]
Well maybe I should have been more specific, I would agree that Americans are puritanical and that assmilation makes it cross racial lines as well.
Asian women for the most part do not display their sexuality in public, its a big no no in many parts of Asia. Even pictures of women in Bikinis in India for example is considered pornography and could get you in trouble if you had access to it. In private its a different matter.
Still its far more likely for a white woman to show off her assets in public than any other group, I would also consider Latin women white for many reasons. Even American women overseas behave differently.
Where I live, its not uncommon to see teenage girls on the beach taking off their tops.
Yogin you are so right!!!! Asian gals, especially Chinese, Korean, Japanese, put up a conservative front but are complete sex maniacs in the bedroom.
[QUOTE=Yogin]
DW is right. My experience with dozens of Asian girls, normal everyday ones (office workers/students/professionals) not sex workers or pornstars, is that they give the public impression of conservatism but in private are total uninhibited sex maniacs.
As opposed to American girls who might tease you by their dress/behavior with the promise of good times yet are unwilling/unable to deliver the goods. Polar opposite.[/QUOTE]
AW are the most Un-desirable women in the world!
Thanks to feminism! Yeah baby.
From my limited experience AW are open and fairly easy to direct approach.To Europeans they seem really easy because they are not complicated.
They also seem to follow some guidelines and get advice from their male friends.Many of them have a lot of money.So they are not a bad case.
Genarally american women have seemed to me vulnerable but I cannot express it very good.I will reprt when I get more experience.
[QUOTE=Hecker]From my limited experience AW are open and fairly easy to direct approach.To Europeans they seem really easy because they are not complicated.
They also seem to follow some guidelines and get advice from their male friends.Many of them have a lot of money.So they are not a bad case.
Generally American women have seemed to me vulnerable but I cannot express it very good.I will report when I get more experience.[/QUOTE]
AW will react differently to men not from America, geez I through foreign guys would have figured it out already. They leave the home country to act out like they know they can't at home and without somebody knowing...
That being said, AW have us (not me and not many here) under their thumb so there's no reason for them to give up that control for a European man they know is fair more educatd and liberal than the average American male and will bail on a woman in a second if they try their typical nonsense with a man from Europe.
As I said before -
Opposites Attract!
AW want something different from the typical, the norm.
EU men want something different from typical, the norm.
Does it make them (AW) ideal for long term relationships? Not in my observation....
Far more English women marry American men for example
Far more German Women marry American men for another example
So maybe to many EU men AW are just sex partners, making them ideal for short term relationships and nothing more. Yes you can find that perfect pebble or grain of sand, but not likely to strike even gold anytime or EVER!
I haven't looked at any recent stats but I would be willing to BET that Gen X (those born after '64 in America) is the largest population of men never married before and for good reason.
AW to Europeans - STR consideration only
AM to Europeans - Ideal for anything under the sun...
AW to AM - FAIL, 80% Divorce Rate, explosion of Single Parent Households, etc, etc, etc
Folks, here in a nut shell is all you need to know about AW.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
AW to Europeans - STR consideration only
AM to Europeans - Ideal for anything under the sun...
AW to AM - FAIL, 80% Divorce Rate, explosion of Single Parent Households, etc, etc, etc[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]Folks, here in a nut shell is all you need to know about AW.[/QUOTE]
Ok dudes, it's not about AW only, it is about America and AM too. Foor example. yesterday I went to a AMP. It sucked big time. I do not even want to describe it. But they(the stuff/mamasan/etc) were thinking they were really good, and asking if I liked it.. I said not really, they got offended! I would say it is a joke, or honestly disgusting. Do not get me wrong, I appreciate all their effort, but they do suck big time(in my particular case). ad the money I spent.. I had seen 1000 times better better Asian women, in Thailand of course;) for 10 times less.
I guess USA has unbelievably so low standards for sex, that bad service and disgusting quality satisfy USA men! At the same time they spend thousands$$$ while watching(only!) strippers.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]
I guess USA has unbelievably so low standards for sex, that bad service and disgusting quality satisfy USA men! At the same time they spend thousands$$$ while watching(only!) strippers.[/QUOTE]
A lot of that comes from having no or very lilttle travel. Not exposed to new ideas, things or people. You would tend to inherit mindset of those around you and who raised you. Which is what has been said here over and over..America is very much a sexually repressed country, (outwardly).
Theres a lot going on behind closed doors though.
Those AMP tramps know this and will give lousy service. They will be shut down eventually anyway- why go all out??
I do not enjoy dating American dating scene, but I can't group all AW women into this fucked up mindset. I have many times met women that bang my brains out on the first date. I guess they just make up their mind if they like you enough, it will be your lucky night.
And of course, the other women that decide they will make you work for it, only to get nothing but the privlidge of kissing her ass to try to fuck her.. There are far too many of those here...Good luck.
Fortunately I spend very little time around AW down here but I had one inflicted on me last night and in four hours she exhibited every conceivable reason to never be around one again. Cock teasing various guys all night long, got completely shit faced and couldn't handle it, talked about herself all night long. So you were valedictorian of your high school. Great. You told me that three times. That was fifteen years ago. Who cares? And if you want to go outside and smoke a cigarette, just do it. You don't need to pretend you have to make a phone call. You don't know anyone here so who the fuck would you be calling. Never paid for any drinks or any cabs. Talked about her impending divorce and how inadequate men are.
But she wasn't fat.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Ok dudes, it's not about AW only, it is about America and AM too. I guess USA has unbelievably so low standards for sex, that bad service and disgusting quality satisfy USA men! At the same time they spend thousands$$$ while watching(only!) strippers.[/QUOTE]
I agree, AM are so starved for sex they do desperate things..I've never figured out why men go to Strip clubs, a complete waste of $$$$$ IMHO.
AW are a bunch of attention: (W)omen (H)olding (O)ut (R)eal (E)rotic (S)ex!
[quote=tarius shinobi]aw are a bunch of attention: (w)omen (h)olding (o)ut (r)eal (e)rotic (s)ex![/quote]
totally....
i still wonder what people see in american style strip clubs aka "clip joints"?
if you haven't been to canada or mexico and been to what they consider a "strip club" then you haven't lived!
am from north to south, east and west are lost souls mostly clueless and figure that they have to take what's given too them. the "ask men".com site is full of nonsense like this -
"how to navigate nightclubs"
code for "big city hot spots" = the in crowd or aka those that wanna be in but the in's choose to keep them out.
[url]http://www.askmen.com/money/how_to_400/418_how_to.html[/url]
one guy made some sense and posted this comment -
[i]the clubs in my city (read: any large to medium us city) have large numbers of drunk men with the odd guy who wants a fight. and any attractive woman has plenty of guys around her. being cool gets the women interested, but then you have to navigate male jealousy and aggression. why go out at all its like a jungle.[/i]
yes i concur why work your away around passive aggressive types and other "nerds" that haven't a clue and hold up walls all night????
why does it have to be said you can find a nice aw? sure you can, you can also win the lottery, speed 20 miles over the speed limit and not get caught every time you do it, have sex without a condom and not catch aids, but which one of these is most likely to happen the most often????
you guessed it, meeting ms wrong....
a majority of american women diss you because of social status and that simply is unlikely to happen in many other places on earth. mostly because even the poor in america are considered rich by some countries standards and how many european families have an average of 4 cars per household, 3 computers and 6 tv's (including a 52" rear projection) and this is called middle class by american standards...lol
if your working for around min wage by eu standards you can't even afford a car or even a apartment/flat in most cases or you have to make a choice, one or the other....
that's why its pefectly acceptable to be an average joe in america and european women do not have a problem with that at all (in many cases its an upgrade in lifestyle). of course the eu has gold diggers, but they tend to stand out like sore thumbs and easy to avoid.
so until this dynamic changes back to where it was in the 50's and 60's where if you worked for the city or in a machine shop, made a decent living and women didn't dog you for it, then relationships will continue to be modeled around how much money you make and not what she brings to the table.
this is been talked about ad nauseum..
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
So until this dynamic changes back to where it was in the 50's and 60's where if you worked for the city or in a machine shop, made a decent living and women didn't dog you for it, then relationships will continue to be modeled around how much money YOU MAKE and not what SHE brings to the table.
[/QUOTE]
It's not going to change back. AW are perfectly willing to hold out into middle age for a rich handsome man. They don't give up on their Prada dreams while earning a Walmart salary. The slender pretty ones usually snag someone who can maintain them very early in the game, just look at the occasional cute one, there is sure to be a rock on the finger. The average ones hold out while getting sport fucked by guys with money who never commit, eventually they settle for Joe Average after having miles of cock ran through their frame.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]...The average ones hold out while getting sport fucked by guys with money who never commit, eventually they settle for Joe Average after having miles of cock ran through their frame.[/QUOTE]And yet you say that like it's a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]It's not going to change back. AW are perfectly willing to hold out into middle age for a rich handsome man. They don't give up on their Prada dreams while earning a Walmart salary. The slender pretty ones usually snag someone who can maintain them very early in the game, just look at the occasional cute one, there is sure to be a rock on the finger. The average ones hold out while getting sport fucked by guys with money who never commit, eventually they settle for Joe Average after having miles of cock ran through their frame.[/QUOTE]
I think it will change back, but not until there are [i]drastic[/i] changes in US society.
I was thinking that the current oil crisis could precipitate that change, since fewer women than men can afford to pay such high gas prices for sustained periods of time. But now that crude is falling, that may not be the tipping event.
Still, if oil only falls to $100 and gas stays at or above $3.00 a gallon for a year or more, then the many women will face severe financial pressure. I think that pressure will force most to make a choice well before middle age. The competition for rich men will become fierce and only the most gorgeous will win that lottery.
The most stupid of the rest will let the train leave the station thinking there is another one on the way. But the trains, like the planes, have cut back on their schedules, so the next train will be a long time coming! The less stupid will realize that and get on the train that is in the station now.
How stupid can the Harlequin Romance fanstasy make AW's? Only time will tell and I don't plan on being in the US when that answer comes.
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
A majority of American women DISS you because of SOCIAL STATUS and that simply is unlikely to happen in many other places on earth. Mostly because even the POOR in America are considered RICH by some countries standards and how many European families have an average of 4 cars per household, 3 Computers and 6 TV's (Including a 52" Rear Projection) and this is called MIDDLE CLASS by American standards...lol
If your working for around min wage by EU standards you can't even afford a car or even a apartment/flat in most cases or you have to make a choice, one or the other....
That's why its PEFECTLY acceptable to be an Average Joe in America and European women do not have a problem with that at all (in many cases its an upgrade in lifestyle). Of course the EU has Gold Diggers, but they tend to stand out like sore thumbs and easy to avoid.
[/QUOTE]
I think You are not well enough informed about normal european wages and conditions. Here are some facts, from my country, its a Nordic one, preventing Americans come to Europe under false circumstances.
We do not have so much lower or middle class as in USA. Just a few are really rich. Peoples wages are more or less the same, also between men and women. Today most people have good education, at least 12 - 13 year, and mostly more. Most scools and university are public and more or less free. Living costs when study, one can have scholarship and affordable loans, covered by the state. (This is why we pay tax.)
Most woman have well paid work after study, then if having children, stop to work one or two years. In this time, when taking care of the child, the woman, eventually partly the man, are paid by the state. This goes also for when You are unemployed, or are sick, You keep Your salary, at least 66 % of an average of latest 3 years earning. This is also paid by the state.
A woman or man with normal education have a good wage. If a woman work as a civil engineer, the average wage (2008) is 132,670 US Dollar. (37,5 hours per week, Norwegians are normally working 25 % less than American's ) Now, if her married one earns similar, they have US $ 265,000 per year to buy those cars, flats and those TV's You are describing as to be so important. (Europeans don't share this view, mostly of environmentally reasons...)
I really don't believe that an "Average Joe from America" have this much to add for a Nordic woman, she can perfectly manage herself and have few worries about her private economy. So American's, better stick to third word countries.
Balluba
Yesterday, in a bar I talked to one guy, I showed him some pics of hot Colombian girls. His reaction was interesting. Usually people get exited and start asking where they could meet those girls. But this guy got kinda pissed and not too happy to see what I was showing to him. He asked that why the hell I'm showing him these pics, that we've got plenty of hot girls here in the USA, so there is no point to go to other countries. I told him that it's not only girls looks but also their "availability". He had no clue what I was talking about.
I think he decided I am some crazy weirdo. Also he could not answer my question that if here are so many nice hot girls why the hell he was sitting in the bar alone.
[QUOTE=Balluba] If a woman work as a civil engineer, the average wage (2008) is 132,670 US Dollar. (37,5 hours per week, Norwegians are normally working 25 % less than American's ) Now, if her married one earns similar, they have US $ 265,000 per year to buy those cars, flats and those TV's You are describing as to be so important. [/QUOTE]
$265,000 a year sounds like a lot of money. However this statement is somewhat misleading because pre-tax figures are used (my assumption).
Balluba himself mentioned the high taxes required to pay for all those social benefits. I'm not familiar with Norwiegian income tax rates, but would be willing to bet they're paying around 60 or 70% at the income levels being discussed. A 70% income tax on a 265,000 income would leave you with slightly LESS than $80,000/yr...... and this from an educated two-income family. Not so great IMO.
Tarius, that was a great acronym! Here's one I like also..... Western women = O.P.E.C. the Organization of Pussy Exploiting Connivers (the C could also stand for something a bit more rude :D)
As far as AW attitudes being influenced by the economy....... doubt it. The crazy and false ideology of feminist equality has now had an entire generation to become entrenched in the minds of countless women. It's not going to go away just because of some economic turbulence.
There actually are quite a few good ones out there. Go to any mall or movie theater and you'll see plenty of good looking women. Lot's of them have decent personalities and attitudes as well. The real problem is that, just like the saying, all the good ones are taken! So whether a guy goes looking for a girlfriend, or just to have some fun...... we have to sift through mostly second and third rate women to find what we want. This gives the appearance that all AWs suck.
Rock
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]$265,000 a year sounds like a lot of money. However this statement is somewhat misleading because pre-tax figures are used (my assumption).
Balluba himself mentioned the high taxes required to pay for all those social benefits. I'm not familiar with Norwiegian income tax rates, but would be willing to bet they're paying around 60 or 70% at the income levels being discussed. A 70% income tax on a 265,000 income would leave you with slightly LESS than $80,000/yr...... and this from an educated two-income family. Not so great IMO.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Tax is normally 28 %, normal wages. It is possible You have to pay more, if there are few deductions. But normally never more than 45-49 %. These taxes includes health insurance as hospitals are free. In general it is not so easy to compare the different countries as some have social benefits others don't have, also some have hidden taxes other pay separately.
Analyzes tells us that "seriously poor americans" increased with 26 % between 2000 og 2005. This analyze define extreme as a family of four, with two children, as have to live with an income of 9.903 dollar. This is the daily life of nearly 16 million Americans in 2005. I doubt these numbers are lower today.
Reverse, poverty does not exist in the Scandianavian language nearly nor in our reality. It is hard to see what a norwal wage American can offer these North European womens, as they are too economically independent.
My point was that one "Average Joe from America" should spend his money in other countries as provides more women for his declining dollars, than Europe. At least I do so :-)
[QUOTE=Rock Dog]As far as AW attitudes being influenced by the economy....... doubt it. The crazy and false ideology of feminist equality has now had an entire generation to become entrenched in the minds of countless women. It's not going to go away just because of some economic turbulence.
Rock[/QUOTE]
Attitudes? No. Behavior? Definitely!!!
We men crave for sex. When we can't afford it, we have less sex, though we still crave it just as much. Our resources influence our behavior. AWs are no different in that regard. They may crave a certain type of man and want to treat men badly. But if they simply do not have the means to do so because they need to work 2 jobs, save up for lipo, or something else, then they can't indulge themselves.
When the economy improves, their bad behaviors will return to match their attitudes.
NO MA'AM = National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood, founded by Al Bundy in "Married With Children".
[url]http://www.bundyology.com/nomaam.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Balluba]Tax is normally 28 %, normal ....
Analyzes tells us that "seriously poor americans" increased with 26 % between 2000 og 2005. This analyze define extreme as a family of four, with ,....
My point was that one "Average Joe from America" should spend his money in other countries as provides more women for his declining dollars, than Europe. At least I do so :-)[/QUOTE]
"seriously poor americans"...I take offense to this...FU and your post,*****
Get to the point-without writing a book your trying to sell.. Are any of you motherfuckers, poor -or even American? Judging and hating in this forum ON AW? Every third or fourth post is accurate when it comes to AW, you others are padding your post count. If your too stupid to get it, read:
Bottom line in USA and really anywhere...
All freakin females drift toward the stronger male to mate.
Money ........(Eighty something Hugh Hefner has maybe 5 GF)
Looks..........(Former framer Brad Pitt has the worlds most beautiful woman)
Personality...(IF your really funny, legs part like the Red Sea)
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Race...........(Need I say more! Anglo has conquored the world since time began, and enslaved people of color. As an Afr-Am man, I get non-Black pussy as a curiosity or experiment. Women just have to add a bro to their fuck resume, or its incomplete. But take me home to the fam! Fucking grounds for honor killing!
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Guess what guys...I think your anger is probably directed more towards the bleach/black blondes, (rubia), that turn you down. I really only see that attitude most pervasive in AW woman who think they are better than anyman they will ever meet.
I had an MD that I met online tell me I'm not good enough for her.
Conversly, I have had, and continue to have, woman that treat me quite well. Having read this quite active forum slamming AW, I took a good look back, and conclude "that is wrong"
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Now factor in,more or less, those components into HER life ( the object of your desire)and decipher then if you will connect,and thats it. Break it down to a variation of these factors and will obtain a succsess rate you will live with (or not), and take it from there.
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]"seriously poor americans"...I take offense to this...FU and your post,*****
Get to the point-without writing a book your trying to sell.. Are any of you motherfuckers, poor -or even American? Judging and hating in this forum ON AW? Every third or fourth post is accurate when it comes to AW, you others are padding your post count. If your too stupid to get it, read:
Bottom line in USA and really anywhere...
All freakin females drift toward the stronger male to mate.
Money ........(Eighty something Hugh Hefner has maybe 5 GF)
Looks..........(Former framer Brad Pitt has the worlds most beautiful woman)
Personality...(IF your really funny, legs part like the Red Sea)
==== SENSITIVE TOPIC=====
Race...........(Need I say more! Anglo has conquored the world since time began, and enslaved people of color. As an Afr-Am man, I get non-Black pussy as a curiosity or experiment. Women just have to add a bro to their fuck resume, or its incomplete. But take me home to the fam! Fucking grounds for honor killing!
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Guess what guys...I think your anger is probably directed more towards the bleach/black blondes, (rubia), that turn you down. I really only see that attitude most pervasive in AW woman who think they are better than anyman they will ever meet.
I had an MD that I met online tell me I'm not good enough for her.
Conversly, I have had, and continue to have, woman that treat me quite well. Having read this quite active forum slamming AW, I took a good look back, and conclude "that is wrong"
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Now factor in,more or less, those components into HER life ( the object of your desire)and decipher then if you will connect,and thats it. Break it down to a variation of these factors and will obtain a succsess rate you will live with (or not), and take it from there.[/QUOTE]
Yeah man I kind of think the thread is little dated. Women are the same all over the world.
DW1,
Have to agree with you on that one. I've said as much in previous posts myself. The big exception is when you're a guy "from somewhere else". Money aside, there seems to be better treatment by the local girls whenever the guy is from somewhere else.
Balluba,
You honestly don't see a lot of American men going to Sweden (Sverige) or Norway (Norsk) looking to pick up a girl for a wife. Why? Same shit different country. If a woman is making her own money (at a decent standard of living) they tend to get super picky about what kind of man is "good enough for them". It's like that here in Canada, the States and I suspect most of western Europe. There may be a few bright spots here and there but nothing worth mentioning.
Let's face it, the best women are always going to be from countries where women don't (or can't) make a lot of money. You can go a lot longer without sex than you can without money. So, it doesn't matter how beautiful the woman is, the guy with the money is still the real prize and they know it. That's why, in places like Latin America, DR and eastern Europe.... the women stay good looking and are ready to go without any of the BS attitudes like the ones we have here. This is also why women who live in countries where they can make their own money tend to be b*tchy demanding and hard to get along with.
My wife is hot, and 15 years younger than me..... and it's no problemo. I know a guy who married a really decent cuban girl, he's in his mid 50's and she's in here early 30's and they're doing OK. I know yet another guy who doesn't even have that great of a job and he landed himself the sweetest little phillipino hottie. I think he's mid to late 30's and she just turned 21. His dick must think it's died and gone to pussy heaven. A regular guy just can't expect these kinds of opportunities if he limits himself to AWs/local girls.
I could write more on this but it would just be pointless rambling so I'll end it here.
Rock
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Yeah man I kind of think the thread is little dated. Women are the same all over the world.[/QUOTE]I disagree. I guess it is kinda "wise" to say such things. But I think women have only one thing in common - pussy. Otherwise they have different looks, culture, behavior, attitude, level of bitchiness, etc... And combinations of such traits tend to vary from region to region(or country). So of course they are different. Why would you be on this forum, if not?
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I disagree. I guess it is kinda "wise" to say such things. But I think women have only one thing in common - pussy. Otherwise they have different looks, culture, behavior, attitude, level of bitchiness, etc... And combinations of such traits tend to vary from region to region(or country). So of course they are different. Why would you be on this forum, if not?[/QUOTE]What I mean by this is that they all want the same thing in life and general in men. Women from poorer countries settle on the fat, socially inept Joe-Blow a lot of time because of finances it’s that simple. If given half the chance or making a decent amount of money they would not. When I first went to the Philippines I was amazed how the girls were attracted to foreigners. A couple years later I was jettisoned to Dubai where I saw the same looking Filipinas the only difference was they had legit jobs. To say they were not so nice is an understatement.
NG is right its simple a choice of natural selection. Women like a certain kind of guy be America, Latin countries or Asia.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I disagree. I guess it is kinda "wise" to say such things. But I think women have only one thing in common - pussy. Otherwise they have different looks, culture, behavior, attitude, level of bitchiness, etc... And combinations of such traits tend to vary from region to region(or country). So of course they are different. Why would you be on this forum, if not?[/QUOTE]
I agree. While women may share some of the same basic motivations such as resources and social status their behavior and attitude varies across countries and cultures. Japanese women are educated and make their own money but I hardly think that they have the same attitudes towards men as American women.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I agree. While women may share some of the same basic motivations such as resources and social status their behavior and attitude varies across countries and cultures. Japanese women are educated and make their own money but I hardly think that they have the same attitudes towards men as American women.[/QUOTE]Got damn CM, I was just about to go to work when I seen your post. Mentioning Japanese women is a bad analogy. Thousands of Japanese men go overseas every year looking for pussy, trust me their women are not that great and I have heard Japanese men make the same complaints you guys sit here and make everyday about American women LOL. I lived there for 10 months bruh.
"Wide Sargasso Sea" is a classic movie, with two sexy non-AW female leads showing their hot bodies in the Caribbean.
The unrated version is "mmmm baby!"
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Got damn CM I was just about to go to work when I seen your post. Mentioning Japanese women is a bad analogy. Thousands of Japanese men go overseas every year looking for pussy, trust me their women are not that great and I have heard Japanese men make the same complaints you guys sit here and make everyday about American women LOL. I lived there for 10 months bruh.[/QUOTE]
I think the point was not bad. Of course there are always people who complain. But everything is relative. Why not compare a Japanese woman to a Western/American? I would chose the Japanese. Also I know some European guys go to Japan, stay there and get married to Japanese women. I do not think that a Japanese woman is gonna ever kick her husband's ass like an AW would do.
[QUOTE=Dickhead]Fortunately I spend very little time around AW down here but I had one inflicted on me last night and in four hours she exhibited every conceivable reason to never be around one again. Cock teasing various guys all night long, got completely shit faced and couldn't handle it, talked about herself all night long. So you were valedictorian of your high school. Great. You told me that three times. That was fifteen years ago. Who cares? And if you want to go outside and smoke a cigarette, just do it. You don't need to pretend you have to make a phone call. You don't know anyone here so who the fuck would you be calling. Never paid for any drinks or any cabs. Talked about her impending divorce and how inadequate men are.
But she wasn't fat.[/QUOTE]
Must have been a very traumatic experience to be sure. I hope your mental state is OK after that encounter.
A nice bolliche visit will work wonders and rekindle your faith in the female species.
The sad thing is that she likely thought she was the belle of the ball with her charming personality and habits that most American men like myself have to put up with every day.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Got damn CM I was just about to go to work when I seen your post. Mentioning Japanese women is a bad analogy. Thousands of Japanese men go overseas every year looking for pussy, trust me their women are not that great and I have heard Japanese men make the same complaints you guys sit here and make everyday about American women LOL. I lived there for 10 months bruh.[/QUOTE]
Any country that invents or uses the concept of a geisha is fine with me. American women cringe at the whole geisha idea thanks to our great womens lib movement.
Man that Japanese chick in the movie Babel was a turn-on especially during the club scene. Anybody don't know what I'm talking about need to see the movie for real...... Hello Kittie!
I heard a saying on this board possibly or somewhere else about how you have made it in life when you live in an French chateau/Italian villa with an English butler, have a Chinese chef, earn American dollars, and have A Japanese wife. Your life sucks when you live in a Japanese Apartment, have a Chinese butler, an English chef, get paid in pesos, and have an American wife.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]What I mean by this is that they all want the same thing in life and general in men. Women from poorer countries settle on the fat, socially inept Joe-Blow a lot of time because of finances it’s that simple.[/QUOTE]
Yes, agree in general. But actually only some women from poor countries would do that. It seems like Asian women are more into that. But many women in Russia for example would never do this. I do not think Latin girls are really doing that. I am not talking about prostitutes.
Also I do not think that "the fat, socially inept Joe-Blow" must be such bad people who do not deserve anything in this life. It really depends. If they have balls to go to another country, bang and bring a hot chick, I think it's cool, better than nothing. Why struggling for something inferior in the USA? I know some guys who are very successful, very sociable, some are pretty rich. But I would never come close to their wifes(in case they were single), or unless I'm too hungry for sex in the USA. So even sociable/rich/not fat guys in many cases can get only average or less than average girls.
Also what's up with that engagement/marriage rings? Is it true you gotta pay a certain portion of your salary for that? When i had my wife(from FSU), I spent $200 on her ring. And she never thought or complained about it. She did not care. Also I know she was not materialistic at all, until she came to the USA, where "they" showed her how you must "live". During the divorce there was no courts or trials, although there was a good potential to get something from me. She probably just had not get "smart" enough yet. But I think she still had some good moral values she was brought up with in her home country.
So of course women have similar demands and potentials(I mean in a negative sense), but they are still very different depending where they are from and where they live.
[QUOTE=Balluba]I think You are not well enough informed about normal European wages and conditions. Here are some facts, from my country, its a Nordic one, preventing Americans come to Europe under false circumstances.
We do not have so much lower or middle class as in USA. Just a few are really rich. Peoples wages are more or less the same, also between men and women. Today most people have good education, at least 12 - 13 year, and mostly more. Most schools and university are public and more or less free. Living costs when study, one can have scholarship and affordable loans, covered by the state. (This is why we pay tax.)
Most woman have well paid work after study, then if having children, stop to work one or two years. In this time, when taking care of the child, the woman, eventually partly the man, are paid by the state. This goes also for when You are unemployed, or are sick, You keep Your salary, at least 66 % of an average of latest 3 years earning. This is also paid by the state.
A woman or man with normal education have a good wage. If a woman work as a civil engineer, the average wage (2008) is 132,670 US Dollar. (37,5 hours per week, Norwegians are normally working 25 % less than America's ) Now, if her married one earns similar, they have US $ 265,000 per year to buy those cars, flats and those TV's You are describing as to be so important. (Europeans don't share this view, mostly of environmentally reasons...)
I really don't believe that an "Average Joe from America" have this much to add for a Nordic woman, she can perfectly manage herself and have few worries about her private economy. So Americans, better stick to third word countries.
Balluba[/QUOTE]
Eh?
I keep saying it. Its NOT about the money. Now I'll caution this with "I'm African-American, what you experience MAY not be what I experience".
I didn't say you didn't have to have a decent job, I just said (have said) you don't need to be 6 digit income earner to be successful with ladies not from America. 6 digits will allow you some measure of success with woman from all over the world especially if your Caucasian.
Being the "White Knight" isn't my strong suit obviously. Being MYSELF is more my STRONG suit in Europe and regardless of WHAT you think, the reality is, more than a FEW Scandinavians are WILLING to come back to America with an American men despite all you just said. Because TRUTH be told, with that amount of Education and work experience and if you can speak conversational English, your MILES ahead of the average US College Grad and in the right environment can demand any amount of pay (within reason) for the same position you held in Europe, in essence you get same rate of pay, health care (paid by your employer) and less taxes. And if you get creative with the tax code, you'll make more money. What we have been steadily doing for the past 30 years is eroding away the "safety net" that occasionally catches out even a well-healed American.
My brotha, I would much rather deal with higher taxes, higher base wages, free education for myself, my children and my future wife and ultra low cost health care.
Unlike refugees which I am sure you have a problem with, I wouldn't move to another country without having my employment situation worked out before hand.
There's a small segment for whatever reason of the WORLD POPULATION that doesn't care about the unimportant stuff and just loves the fact I'm a "Sexy Black Man" and frankly that's PLENTY for them....
GF: yes there is some ridiculous standard regarding the value of the ring expressed as a percentage of income. Yet another reason I've never gotten ANY kind of ring for an AW.
And I am flabbergasted at the sheer volume of AM I see who appear to be well-employed, fit, well-dressed, and well-mannered, who are chained to fat slovenly rude AW's. This is not some freak happenstance. Rather it is more the rule! My best guess is that they have not traveled and have no inkling as to what they are missing. Or they have seen the disapproval rained upon AM who go abroad for greener pickings be it LT, ST, or marriage.
Daddy W: of course there are some commonalities among women worldwide, but I firmly believe there are strong differences that continue to prevail to this day based on history, culture, and religion or lack thereof. My last 4 girlfriends (and a nymber of sex friends!) were born and raised in East Asia, and they have been fulfilling in countless ways that I have never enjoyed with AW's. Great sex, not looking for a benefactor, and no BS.
And no, I couldn't care less as to whether I amass 10 posts or 10,000.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Yes, agree in general. But actually only some women from poor countries would do that. It seems like Asian women are more into that. But many women in Russia for example would never do this. I do not think Latin girls are really doing that. I am not talking about prostitutes.
Also I do not think that "the fat, socially inept Joe-Blow" must be such bad people who do not deserve anything in this life. It really depends. If they have balls to go to another country, bang and bring a hot chick, I think it's cool, better than nothing. Why struggling for something inferior in the USA? I know some guys who are very successful, very sociable, some are pretty rich. But I would never come close to their wifes(in case they were single), or unless I'm too hungry for sex in the USA. So even sociable/rich/not fat guys in many cases can get only average or less than average girls.
Also what's up with that engagement/marriage rings? Is it true you gotta pay a certain portion of your salary for that? When i had my wife(from FSU), I spent $200 on her ring. And she never thought or complained about it. She did not care. Also I know she was not materialistic at all, until she came to the USA, where "they" showed her how you must "live". During the divorce there was no courts or trials, although there was a good potential to get something from me. She probably just had not get "smart" enough yet. But I think she still had some good moral values she was brought up with in her home country.
So of course women have similar demands and potentials(I mean in a negative sense), but they are still very different depending where they are from and where they live.[/QUOTE]
What makes women Smile and Part their legs without knowing you very well has many factors.
Gunz and a few other on this forum as much as some may HATE it just being "Black" is good enough for many women and yes its a sexual fanstay for the most part, but c'mon if you can make any woman's sexual fanstay come true and it turns out better than they thought it would be even if they have a wild imagination, if everything else is in line, she's marriage material or start buggin you about marriage...
Larisa this woman I met in Kiev, okay she's not a model or anything like that, but your basic, average early 30's FSU woman that wanted to have a child so BAD that she "allowed" a long time male friend to get drunk and impregnat here... She's a teacher of English in a local grade school. Ummm, after I banged here and came back to the US, I would talk to her online and within two sentences was wondering WHEN I was coming back, showing up naked on the web cam, all kinds of stuff...
Never came the subject of where I worked, how much I was making none of that. Assumsion says that if I could afford to fly from the US to Europe, let alone Eastern Europe to a country many Americans have not idea where it is, then its safe to say I earn enough money or was "given" enough money....
This is not good enough for most AW and like Rock said, there good ones left but how long do you wanna fool around with that??? I'm already 38 as of last Sunday, the time for playing around is finished....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]
My brotha, I would much rather deal with higher taxes, higher base wages, free education for myself, my children and my future wife and ultra low cost health care.
Unlike refugees which I am sure you have a problem with, I wouldn't move to another country without having my employment situation worked out before hand.
[/QUOTE]
DJ FourMoney :
Then travel, if this is Your dream. I mean, its really no problem to take a around 26 - 30 yo nice blond girl in this country, with Your age. Each girl have different fantasies. Some like a black man like You, other are more into latino's, asians and even white :-) Race is not the big issue, it was 25 years ago. They are easy-going, some would say extremely easy. One night stand, the first night You meet, is socially accepted in this age group. The older they are - the more accepted it is. And this can lead to friendship and more.
Be aware of the married girls. They are coming out in bar and disco's Friday and Saturday nights. Gangs. They are easy-easy-going, one (half) night stand material. Forget about p**syhunting. You are the chased ...
Remember, this is the mongering the opposite way. They (the girls) have big experience as sex-tourists from numerous sex-travels to warmer destinations like Greece, Tunis, Italy and Spain. Hunting down and fucking latino brothers. Afterwards, when they get home, showing the pictures to their friends and boast the number of the screw. You dont believe in me. Ask any divorced and left Scandinavian man :-)
I do not know the exact rules for the work immigrants from the US, but dont think its a problem. Americans are popular in this country, and have been for ages, even G.W.B. Your great advantage is also the language. Everybody here speak english, children start learning from 7-8 years old. We are "importing" a very large number of workers from former EE for all kinds of work. Also from Germany, Sweden and other EU states. Unemployment is close to not existing, there is a shortage of workers in most occupations. From architects to housepainters. Check this out with the embassy.
Best of luck to You,
Balluba
[QUOTE=Balluba]DJ FourMoney :
Then travel, if this is Your dream. I mean, its really no problem to take a around 26 - 30 yo nice blond girl in this country, with Your age. Each girl have different fantasies. Some like a black man like You, other are more into latino's, asians and even white :-) Race is not the big issue, it was 25 years ago. They are easy-going, some would say extremely easy. One night stand, the first night You meet, is socially accepted in this age group. The older they are - the more accepted it is. And this can lead to friendship and more.
Be aware of the married girls. They are coming out in bar and disco's Friday and Saturday nights. Gangs. They are easy-easy-going, one (half) night stand material. Forget about p**syhunting. You are the chased ...
Remember, this is the mongering the opposite way. They (the girls) have big experience as sex-tourists from numerous sex-travels to warmer destinations like Greece, Tunis, Italy and Spain. Hunting down and fucking latino brothers. Afterwards, when they get home, showing the pictures to their friends and boast the number of the screw. You dont believe in me. Ask any divorced and left Scandinavian man :-)
I do not know the exact rules for the work immigrants from the US, but dont think its a problem. Americans are popular in this country, and have been for ages, even G.W.B. Your great advantage is also the language. Everybody here speak english, children start learning from 7-8 years old. We are "importing" a very large number of workers from former EE for all kinds of work. Also from Germany, Sweden and other EU states. Unemployment is close to not existing, there is a shortage of workers in most occupations. From architects to house painters. Check this out with the embassy.
Best of luck to You,
Balluba[/QUOTE]
No hard feelins Balluba!
We are all men, we need to help and defend each other because we culturally are "under fire" less so from your side of the Atlantic, but none the less....
I like Scandinavia, 14 hours of darkness in the winter doesn't sound that appealing but I can deal with the rest of it. Instead of wondering where my tax money goes (funding wars, corp welfare, etc) its going right back to the people as an investment...
Thanks for the tip(s).
I moved around too much last time to make any impact with "chance meetings". I was in Bergen, Oslo & Stockholm... for about 12 days total, not enough time to get comfortable let alone setup an attack plan of being "at the right place at the right time".
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]What makes women Smile and Part their legs without knowing you very well has many factors.
Gunz and a few other on this forum as much as some may HATE it just being "Black" is good enough for many women and yes its a sexual fanstay for the most part, but c'mon if you can make any woman's sexual fanstay come true and it turns out better than they thought it would be even if they have a wild imagination, if everything else is in line, she's marriage material or start buggin you about marriage....[/QUOTE]
I think that whole fascination with Black Men is waning. Especially in Dubai. Due to explosion of global travel and global incomes Black guys have found themselves all over the world. People are not impressed and in places like Thailand I have actually experienced outright hate. Hell in Manila where I live I don’t see many Black guys and if any they are mostly Africans but in may I took a trip down to Cebu now there it was a different story. In PI most of the girls would rather not bother with a Black person and tend to look down on them. I still find it easier to get dates here rather its ST or LT though then in the west.
When you judge the book by the cover.
Or judge a brother by his color.
You disregard the game of the lover.
No matter where a brother goes in the globe.
A woman will be willing to remove her robe.
Some women may be racist & that's kool.
But never the less, don't be no fool.
Because if you have money.
Women will give you the honey.
No matter where you go.
And that's what makes the game funny.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]I think that whole fascination with Black Men is waning. Especially in Dubai. Due to explosion of global travel and global incomes Black guys have found themselves all over the world. People are not impressed and in places like Thailand I have actually experienced outright hate. Hell in Manila where I live I don’t see many Black guys and if any they are mostly Africans but in may I took a trip down to Cebu now there it was a different story. In PI most of the girls would rather not bother with a Black person and tend to look down on them. I still find it easier to get dates here rather its ST or LT though then in the west.[/QUOTE]
I'm not quite sure how to reply to this and in light of Brian's recent PM to you, I'll just say if European women like me, its no different than Columbian or Asian women liking you....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I'm not quite sure how to reply to this and in light of Brian's recent PM to you, I'll just say if European women like me, its no different than Columbian or Asian women liking you....[/QUOTE]
Yes the PM was a foul doctrine. DJ brother to brother what I am trying to do is dispel this myth that Blacks are loved overseas. It just isn’t the case. From Tokyo to Manila there is a small sect of the local population that love Black men and they are fascinated by our so called “culture” but these select few are usually on the lower tier of their own societies.
I remember in the Japan the Japanese girls that would run behind black guys most of them looked like they had a million miles on them. Yeah sure they would give you some play but did you come to the orient to fuck that? I had one co-worker who fucked one these girls and he was so proud of his “achievement.”
It’s the same in other parts I see guys claiming the women love this or that they have no real knowledge of the way these people think or the way their respective society thinks.
It's unfortunate the U.S media projects Black American men as irresponsible parents, criminals, jobless etc. This shit is not made up but TRUE for the most part. It's all you see and hear on the local U.S. T.V. news channels. I hear the same thing from some Asian AMP ladies with a few refusing to see Black men. This is really unfortunate because it's a few bad eggs making the rest of us look bad. It's funny I seem to have more problems dating black American women (the most fucked up women IMHO) than I've ever had dating women of other races.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Yes the PM was a foul doctrine. DJ brother to brother what I am trying to do is dispel this myth that Blacks are loved overseas. It just isn’t the case. From Tokyo to Manila there is a small sect of the local population that love Black men and they are fascinated by our so called “culture” but these select few are usually on the lower tier of their own societies.
I remember in the Japan the Japanese girls that would run behind black guys most of them looked like they had a million miles on them. Yeah sure they would give you some play but did you come to the orient to fuck that? I had one co-worker who fucked one these girls and he was so proud of his “achievement.”
It’s the same in other parts I see guys claiming the women love this or that they have no real knowledge of the way these people think or the way their respective society thinks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]It's unfortunate the U.S media projects Black American men as irresponsible parents, criminals, jobless etc. This shit is not made up but TRUE for the most part. It's all you see and hear on the local U.S. T.V. news channels. I hear the same thing from some Asian AMP ladies with a few refusing to see Black men. This is really unfortunate because it's a few bad eggs making the rest of us look bad. It's funny I seem to have more problems dating black American women (the most fucked up women IMHO) than I've ever had dating women of other races.[/QUOTE]Hey Astor Bryan, that's a true fact! Black American women are horrible!
All AW are un-desirable, but the "Sista's" take the cake.
Example: The tv show called "Bridezilla's", the black american women on that show act worse than the white women when it comes to their weddings.
I feel sorry for those grooms to be! But then again, why should I, they made their bed, so they can lay in it! Pew.
AB: you have that right about black American women. As a group, I've never met so many that had diagnosable mental disorders based on their alarmingly high levels of anger, entitlement, delusions, histrionics, and paranoia. Just picture your average AW ratcheted up to high drama-queen level.
[quote=brian moloney]get ready for the back lash my friend.. thems people are very sensitive especially rastman and dj ha ha ha they think all women love black men. ha ha ha what a joke!!! in russia and ukraine they are not welcome at all. and in russia the russians call them niggers. dj went to ukraine and found out the red carpet wasnt laid out for him. besides what white woman in there right mind would want a black man.. watch the movie waiting to exhale. spike lee directed it.. the sistas are all together sitting down talking about the brothers ha ha ha it was hilarious but true... most black men in america are either in jail, dont work selling drugs or trying to be pimps or collecting welfare. now the sucsseful brothers that are doctors lawyers actors singers athletes then they want the forbidden fruit the prize "white woman" not much out there for the ordinary sissta. looking at the stats in america bill cosby in a speech said most cases of aids in america are blacks and they are only 15% of the population in the usa.. they are also close to 70% population in the prisons in the usa.. thank god i wasnt born black. i persoally like black people from africa but not blacks born in america,they think the world owes them a living and all white women want them. they make me sick. yeah dj lives with his mom and is unemployed yeah hes a catch all right. i can see the ee women wanting his broke black ass. his father died and left him some money he went to europe for a couple of weeks. at least he is honest i give him credit, he is such a loser. ha ha ha ha[/quote]
this is the pm i received that is in question between me and dj. i reported it to jackson and he blew it/me off so i feel this shit needs be addressed. i am cracking my knuckles here.
[quote=brian moloney] get ready for the back lash my friend.. thems people are very sensitive especially rastman and dj ha ha ha they think all women love black men. ha ha ha what a joke!!! in russia and ukraine they are not welcome at all. and in russia the russians call them niggers. dj went to ukraine and found out the red carpet wasn’t laid out for him[/quote]
in russia and ukraine blacks are not welcome at all? have you spoken with every russian and ukrainian about this? perhaps you had a sit down with the ukrainian government and they told you blacks were not welcome. or perhaps it’s your personal prejudice and the dogmatic company you keep that led you to such a sophomoric conclusion. so what if a few russians or ukrainians call blacks “niggers” some rappers/various black people called whites crackers and ofays it’s all rather silly when you think about it. what does it all mean in the end? people try to denigrate people all the time by color/nationality etc. the only fucking color i see now is people who have money and the people who don’t. dj found the carpet was not laid out for him? white mongers go to mongering destinations all the time and get murdered or played by the local women. do these events have anything to do with them being white or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
[quote=brian moloney] besides what white woman in there right mind would want a black man.. watch the movie waiting to exhale. spike lee directed it.. the sistas are all together sitting down talking about the brothers ha ha ha it was hilarious but true... most black men in america are either in jail, dont work selling drugs or trying to be pimps or collecting welfare. [/quote]
what white women in her right mind would want a black man? those entire gold digging ass white women chasing behind the black basketball players and actors. there are also a lot of brothers who are high on the food chain lawyers doctors and such who have married white. i also know average joe blows who married white and are working their ass trying to be a good father and husband. that was their personal choice. as for the guys in jail i mean the numbers don’t fucking lie. but for everyone black selling drugs there are blacks getting up in the freezing cold going to work every morning where i am from. i grew up in a prominent american slum with fucking nothing. now i walk/ride around dubai/tokyo with thousands of dollars in diamonds on (all paid for by the us government) do i fit your fucking stereotype. do you know what is required to be a pimp? do you know what is required to collect welfare? whites outnumbered blacks on welfare at its height. most pimps or “daddies” in thailand and pi are caucasians from europe and american. some black’s guys sell drugs because they refuse to work for $5.00 dollars an hour. institutionalized racism, dejected schooling, dismal neighborhoods dejected families: a recipe for the american black gangster. as for the prison population white guy molest a kid get out after one year. black guy sales some cocaine to another adult gets five years. who is the bigger villain? who is the perpetrator in these various crimes most of the time?
[quote=brian moloney] now the sucsseful brothers that are doctors lawyers actors singers athletes then they want the forbidden fruit the prize "white woman" not much out there for the ordinary sissta.[/quote]
that is their choice who they decide to be their mate. white women are no damn prize and neither are black people or any damn race of people on this planet. the prize is having a good fucking life whether that’s with someone or by your lonely. you dig? the forbidden fruit? it seems to be that black men are the forbidden fruit. every women i have fucked of another race always told me about the million questions was asked because her family and friends were curious what’s it like to fuck a black man.
[quote=brian moloney] looking at the stats in america bill cosby in a speech said most cases of aids in america are blacks and they are only 15% of the population in the usa... they are also close to 70% population in the prisons in the usa.. thank god i wasnt born black.[/quote]
ok maybe this is true but aids is human disease not a fucking black disease. aids is high in china, thailand, ukraine, india are black people causing the epidemics there too? american blacks do make up the majority of the prison population. you know the poor of any country usually does that. i am an atheist so thank natural selection that you are not black the black race could not stand another reprobate like you!
[quote=brian moloney] i persoally like black people from africa but not blacks born in america, they think the world owes them a living and all white women want them. they make me sick. [/quote]
blacks from africa have perpetrated some of humanities most hideous crimes, and the true crime they have done it to one another because of european colonism. see rwandan massacre. the belgians following simple divide and conquer procedures told one group they were better then the other. creating hate and discord amongst the masses. growing up most black guys didn’t desire white women brian. if you brought white women to my old neighborhood most of the local people would laugh at you. i even explained to my asian ole lady of today to prepare her for it. most guys say white women don’t have nice bodies brian. sir mix a lot song says it all. if black americans make you sick go see a doctor.
[quote=brian moloney] yeah dj lives with his mom and is unemployed yeah hes a catch all right. i can see the ee women wanting his broke black ass. his father died and left him some money he went to europe for a couple of weeks. at least he is honest i give him credit, he is such a loser. ha ha ha ha[/quote]
dj lives with his mom? so fucking what. everyone was not born with a silver spoon and if people could do better they would. you think the drug dealer likes being drug dealer you think the ***** likes being a *****? maybe to some women an honest man overrides one that is swimming in that green paper we worship.
his broke black ass? there are broke ass people all over the fucking world perhaps you need to take a trip to the third world expand your horizons. i have seen a lot of broke ass white people too.
he went to europe and experienced the world that’s more then what a lot of people do. you are the loser for even writing that racist ass shit get the fuck out of here. guys like you really make me feel bad for prostitutes when they have subject their priceless bodies to motherfuckers like you.
[QUOTE=Brian Moloney]
In Russia and Ukraine they are not welcome at all. And in Russia the Russians call them niggers.
[/QUOTE]
Sometimes you may get such impression, especially from the news, but only some racist people there would really hate blacks, as well as they would hate mostly everybody who is not complete Russian. I believe most Russians have no problems with blacks. They may make fun of them or something, but they would not truly hate them.
'Niggers" in those countries is not the same as 'Niggers" in USA. It means the same as 'Blacks'. People there would call a black person "Negr", but there is nothing offensive in that. Just the same as you would call somebody white or Asian, or whatever. It is in USA where too many normal things are twisted and perverted.
There always have been a number of blacks who live(study) in Moscow - from Africa and Cuba. Many of them married Russian women. Also many of them moved to Africa. At the same time some Russian men who worked in Africa married African women.
One time I was at a black party in the USA. I felt there was a lot of racism from black women. I promised myself I would never go there again.
On the other hand some time ago I dated a black girl. I was surprised how superior she was to white AW in understanding what's going on, she was much more feminine and behaving normally, nothing bitchy at all, she was showing me respect, she was sincere, I could easily talk to her about anything. Unfortunately because of economical problems she had to move to another state to her family. I have not met anybody similar to her either white or black in the USA.
I have noticed there are at least two types of black American women, one which is opened to everything(or many things). And the other one which is racist and weird(check out their nasty long nails), I guess the one people were talking here about.
That movie was directed by Academy Award winner Forest Whitaker, not Spike Lee!
[QUOTE=Tarius Shinobi]Hey Astor Bryan, that's a true fact! Black American women are horrible!
All AW are un-desirable, but the "Sista's" take the cake.
Example: The tv show called "Bridezilla's", the black american women on that show act worse than the white women when it comes to their weddings.
I feel sorry for those grooms to be! But then again, why should I, they made their bed, so they can lay in it! Pew.[/QUOTE]
I watch that show from time to time. Those women are UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!
I do not see a difference between the Black and White women, they are both equally insane! I always wonder how the guys can decide to marry such women when they are seeing what life will be like with them. Even the bride's own relatives get fed up and sometimes refuse to attend the wedding.
I remember one episode in which a Black bride was upset with her Black female wedding planner. The two of them were both obese and spent the show arguing back and forth about who said what to whom, who was supposed to do what, who was more to blame, etc. The new reality TV!!!
[QUOTE=Yogin]AB: you have that right about black American women. As a group, I've never met so many that had diagnosable mental disorders based on their alarmingly high levels of anger, entitlement, delusions, histrionics, and paranoia. Just picture your average AW ratcheted up to high drama-queen level.[/QUOTE]
While I have met exactly this type of Black woman, I have also met some VERY nice Black women.
Before I started to monger abroad, I got involved in some post-Million Man March activities. I and some other Black men formed a non-profit that helped Black owned businesses in the city I was living in at that time. It was sort of like a Black Chamber of Commerce. Some of the other men knew women business owners and I became acquainted with some and their employees.
One woman owned a restaurant that specialized in Muslim food. One guy was friends with her and good friends with one of the waitresses. One evening we all went to dinner there and I met these ladies. [b]I was shocked at how pleasant, soft-spoken, and good-natured these ladies were!!![/b] They were polar opposites of the usual stereo-typical of the American Black woman. I suspected at the time that the main reason was that they were Muslim (members of the Nation of Islam) and the focus on work, self-sufficiency, contribution to community, and the rejection of crass materialism kept their heads on straight.
Other NoI ladies that I met at other times also made very good impressions on me. I think that if a man leans that way religiously and politically, he will find a good wife in that group.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]This is the PM I received that is in question between me and DJ. I reported it to Jackson and he blew it/me off so I feel this shit needs be addressed. I am cracking my knuckles here.[/QUOTE]
I received a few PM's from this same character a year ago. I also complained about him to no avail. He is on my 'ignore' list. I suggest everyone do the same. It will be hard for him to be inflammatory when no one is receiving his messages.
[QUOTE=George90]I received a few PM's from this same character a year ago. I also complained about him to no avail. He is on my 'ignore' list. I suggest everyone do the same. It will be hard for him to be inflammatory when no one is receiving his messages.[/QUOTE]
Ditto...I too received PM's from this fellow and immediately placed him on my ignore list.
[QUOTE=George90] ...sort of like a Back Chamber of Commerce...were polar opposites of the usual stereo-typical of the American Black woman. I suspected ...the main reason was that they were Muslim (members of the Nation of Islam) and the focus on work, self-sufficiency, contribution to community, and the rejection of crass materialism kept their heads on straight...[/QUOTE]
I hope you meant Black not Back. Or perhaps it's true you guys really love huge behinds!
Interesting observations. But Black Americans are very churchy. So you think the Black Christian churches don't inspire such higher values?
[QUOTE=Goga Fung] but only some racist people there would really hate blacks, as well as they would hate mostly everybody who is not complete Russian. I believe most Russians have no problems with blacks. .[/QUOTE]
This is simply not true. Russians are some of the most racist people on the planet. Trust me, I grew up in the former USSR, I speak Russian fluently, I can read Russian sites, and I know what's what.
Not a week passes without something in the press about skinheads and other scum attacking blacks, Central Asians, Vietnamese, etc.
I am not a Bush fan at all, and this is not a US/Russia comparison, but Russia today is truly a sick place. The Government certainly has brainwashed the people to the point of paranoia. Everybody is out to get Mother Russia! Massive conspiracy everywhere!
This is not in defense of AWs. This is simply setting the record straight.
[QUOTE=Yogin]I hope you meant Black not Back. Or perhaps it's true you guys really love huge behinds![/QUOTE]
I did. And that is true anyway! LOL!
[QUOTE=Yogin]Interesting observations. But Black Americans are very churchy. So you think the Black Christian churches don't inspire such higher values?[/QUOTE]
That is correct. I am not into organized religion. I have found that too many individuals claiming to be religious manipulate religion and religious institutions for personal gain, rather than advance the values and tenets espoused by the religion in question.
I gather from what I have read, specifically from the autobiography of Malcolm X, that many Black Americans turned to Islam and the Nation, due to the failings and loss of faith and trust in Black Christianity. To me, the single most significant issue seemed to center on racism in the US.
My impression from the NoI is that it supports a high degree of segregation from Whites as the best way to deal with White racism. Hence the strong emphasis on creating your own opportunities and jobs through business ownership, taking control of education (NoI has its own accredited high school in Arizona and was/is developing its own small university.), and supporting each other through patronization of Black owned businesses and marrying each other.
While my impression from Blacks who are mostly church-goers is that integration with Whites is the best way to educate Whites and show them that Black Americans are regular people who do not deserve the bad treatment they often get from Whites. The philosophy being that it is hard to be racist against your friends and neighbors.
How this dfference in focus can lead to different attitudes and behaviors towards men I suspect is the following. The NoI strategy forces Black men and Black women to see [i]each other[/i] as allies in the advancement and deliverance of the Black race. So they treat each other well - within the structure of Islam - because that other person is to whom they will turn to for help if and when help is ever needed. The other strategy forces Blacks to see [i]Whites[/i] as allies in the advancement and deliverance of the Black race. This can lead to the perverse result that fellow Blacks will be valued less than Whites in the Struggle. If a Black woman grows up in this environment, constantly seeing Black men in prison and rap videos and rarely in schools or in leadership positions, she will be very unlikely to view a Black man as a needed ally. She doesn't even view the Black man as needed in her own family: in 2007 almost 80% of Black children were living in households headed by a single mother or single grandmother.
[QUOTE=Tbird]This is simply not true. Russians are some of the most racist people on the planet. Trust me, I grew up in the former USSR, I speak Russian fluently, I can read Russian sites, and I know what's what.
Not a week passes without something in the press about skinheads and other scum attacking blacks, Central Asians, Vietnamese, etc.
I am not a Bush fan at all, and this is not a US/Russia comparison, but Russia today is truly a sick place. The Government certainly has brainwashed the people to the point of paranoia. Everybody is out to get Mother Russia! Massive conspiracy everywhere!
This is not in defense of AWs. This is simply setting the record straight.[/QUOTE]
Tbird, I still disagree. Although what you say is partially true. But I have many friends in Russia. I never ever have heard anything from them like they hate anybody. Of course there are assholes, skinheads, etc.. Russia is "a sick place" only because of a few individuals.
I believe Russian is much better than it looks outside(like from news)
[QUOTE=Tbird]This is simply not true. Russians are some of the most racist people on the planet. Trust me, I grew up in the former USSR, I speak Russian fluently, I can read Russian sites, and I know what's what.
Not a week passes without something in the press about skinheads and other scum attacking blacks, Central Asians, Vietnamese, etc.
I am not a Bush fan at all, and this is not a US/Russia comparison, but Russia today is truly a sick place. The Government certainly has brainwashed the people to the point of paranoia. Everybody is out to get Mother Russia! Massive conspiracy everywhere!
This is not in defense of AWs. This is simply setting the record straight.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with you. Russians are very racist, ruthless and very corrupt. Russia is not a country I ever plan to visit.
I am here watching CNN and the topic is the John Edwards sex scandal. I just can't believe the extensive coverage this story is getting! It is as if there is nothing else going on in the country or the world. The Olympics are taking place for Pete's sake!! Russia invaded a country!!! Our economy is possibly headed for an extended deep recession!!! We are electing a president in 10 weeks, one candidate for which is a Black man, which is unprecedented in US history!!! Why is the country SO stuck on an adult man having consensual sex with an adult woman??? What does this say about the priorities of the US media and the Americans who feed it???
I am [b]NEVER[/b] going to enter public life in ANY manner whatsoever!! I want my PRIVATE life to REMAIN PRIVATE!!!!!
How insightful, that you could reach such concrete, definitive and sweeping conclusions about a group encompassing millions of individuals. Without ever visiting the place.
I just had a pretty concrete, definitive vision of you living in the remnants of a clapboard outhouse somewhere deep in the backwoods of W. Virginia. Dude, I never plan to visit!
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I completely agree with you. Russians are very racist, ruthless and very corrupt. Russia is not a country I ever plan to visit.[/QUOTE]
...and can make whatever travel plans you deem necessary.
As someone who knows the country, and who speaks the language fluently, I can tell you one more time, Russia is overall a racist and xenophobic place. It is not just a group of sick individuals. It is the overall mindset of that society.
A lot of it is Government-inspired. Anti-US and anti-Western propaganda is rampant, and encouraged. This way there is always a convenient external enemy to blame for everything.
Once again, this has nothing to do with the topic of AWs.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I completely agree with you. Russians are very racist, ruthless and very corrupt. Russia is not a country I ever plan to visit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's really insightful;) If that's the case then why do so many western dudes go to this "racist, ruthless and corrupt" country for their last chance in their life to score and possibly find a beautiful nice wife - actually an immediate product of those racist and ruthless people? Are they all idiots? Or they are trying to make the beautiful America "racist, ruthless and corrupt" too by importing such bad people?
why don't they stay in the "non racist, "free", "not corrupt" America with their "beautiful" 200lbs honey(in case they are lucky to get it) and buying tons of viagra?
BTW I know one American guy who has lost any hope to score! He is about 60 y.o. now. His brain has been so much fucked up in the USA, that he did not even believe that he could score in Prague... and he did not! He actually wanted it, but did not believe that any woman would do it with him even for money.
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Yeah, that's really insightful;) If that's the case then why do so many western dudes go to this "racist, ruthless and corrupt" country for their last chance in their life to score and possibly find a beautiful nice wife - actually an immediate product of those racist and ruthless people? Are they all idiots? [/QUOTE]
How many of these " western dudes" are of non-European decent? We are not discussing which women are better, we started talking about racism and xenophobia which permeate all parts of Russian society - and now with the little stupid war in Georgia will only get worse.
Trust me, women who marry white foreigners, and women who marry blacks or Asians are viewed VERY differently. And that is really the issue we are talking about here, not whose women are the fattest.
The great debate between whether people are the same all over and if not, how much culture affects them. Difficult to tell.
For example, some say Latin American women change the INSTANT they get across the border. I think that they get slowly inculcurated over time, but very much arrive carrying their culture with them. To me that would indicate that culture is more of a deciding factor, because they would otherwise change the moment their environment changed. I'm leaving out cases where a gold-digger simply shows her true colors, which is something else entirely IMO.
All my time in NYC I never had a problem hooking up with Latin girls of all stripes, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Colombians, what have you. Puerto Ricans of course are citizens so there's no immigration element to it there, not to mention most of my time in NY I was NOT an American citizen. Some say this is next to impossible for a white guy, but either I'm a huge exception to the rule or it's just simply fucking BS.
OTOH I think particularly people on this forum, but also Americans in general in particular, really have a hard time DEEPLY understanding other cultures and often misread stuff BADLY, and then jump to totally erroneous conculsions based on their own ignorance and ethnocentrism. This is where a lot of the "Latin/Asian/EE women are more feminine/less feminist/whatever" crap comes from IMO.
[QUOTE=Tbird]How many of these " western dudes" are of non-European decent? We are not discussing which women are better, we started talking about racism and xenophobia which permeate all parts of Russian society - and now with the little stupid war in Georgia will only get worse.
Trust me, women who marry white foreigners, and women who marry blacks or Asians are viewed VERY differently. And that is really the issue we are talking about here, not whose women are the fattest.[/QUOTE]
I know a bunch of Russian women(including my mom) who married guys from Soviet Asian countries. Nobody views them differently. I am talking about normal educated people. If you are talking about some stupid Russians, then you are right. But stupid people are everywhere.
I know at least one black man who happily married a Ukrainian woman and have several kids with her. He also dated several other Russian & Ukrainian girls before that. And earlier he was screwed by an AW.
It's off topic, but since you mentioned the "little stupid war in Georgia", check out the truth, even Fox News could not stick to it's bullshit propaganda this time:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ[/url]
The Jimi Hendrix song comes to mind..."American Woman"
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]
It's off topic, but since you mentioned the "little stupid war in Georgia", check out the truth, even Fox News could not stick to it's bullshit propaganda this time:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ[/url][/QUOTE]
Goga, this is not the Holy grail. This is an interview with a girl of Ossetian origin living/visiting the US. It has been all over Youtube for a while.
I think this would better be suited for a political forum, not here.
Based on your comment, I am assuming you are pro-Russian on this issue. Trust me, you do not want me to post what I think about Russia and its leaders on this forum.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]The Jimi Hendrix song comes to mind..."American Woman"[/QUOTE]
The sad part is this little c....t WILL find some sex-starved sap willing to put up with her BS. Eventually, she will stop putting out, but will continue spending his money.
"The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen", starring the sexy Australian Peta Wilson as a Vampire widow. Yeah baby, bite my neck, make me write bad chex!
[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I know a bunch of Russian women(including my mom) who married guys from Soviet Asian countries. Nobody views them differently. I am talking about normal educated people. If you are talking about some stupid Russians, then you are right. But stupid people are everywhere.
[/QUOTE]
Which is that the majority of the population in Russia have been swept up in xenophobic hysteria. Not your Mom, obviously. But in today's Russia that is an exception, rather than the rule.
I will not post more on this issue, since the vast majority of forum members cannot read Russian, and therefore will not be able to evaluate what I can show as proof.
As someone who has been to Russia, speaks the language, and understands the culture, I put that country on the list of places I do not care to visit.
If nothing else, I am not paying Mr.Putin any visa fees for the privilege. :-)
[QUOTE=Tbird]The sad part is this little c....t WILL find some sex-starved sap willing to put up with her BS. Eventually, she will stop putting out, but will continue spending his money.[/QUOTE]
Clearly, that article is tongue-in-cheek. Let's take it in the mocking, sarcastic tone in which it was it was written.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]The Jimi Hendrix song comes to mind..."American Woman"[/QUOTE]
Wasn't the hit 'American Woman' performed by the Canadian band 'The Guess Who'?
I have many Hendrix records and don't remember any with a song titled 'American Woman'. What LP is it on?
[QUOTE=George90]Clearly, that article is tongue-in-cheek. Let's take it in the mocking, sarcastic tone in which it was it was written.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, but it captures the mindset of the modern AW very well!
[QUOTE=George90]Wasn't the hit 'American Woman' performed by the Canadian band 'The Guess Who'?
I have many Hendrix records and don't remember any with a song titled 'American Woman'. What LP is it on?[/QUOTE]
It was indeed The Guess Who.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guess_Who[/url]
Gotta have your hands on some serious chronic to confuse Jimi Hendrix with the Guess Fucking Who.
[QUOTE=Wet Nose]The Jimi Hendrix song comes to mind..."American Woman"[/QUOTE]There is a popular remake by Lenny Kravis I bet that is who he is referring to. It is played in "Hendrix" guitar style.
Ok my spelling sucks LOL [url]http: //en. Wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Cravitz[/url] This is what he was referring to. His cover version of The Guess Who's hit "American Woman" won him another Grammy at the Grammy Awards of 2000 and helped The Guess Who's song reach a new audience. Kravitz's version of the song originally came from the soundtrack of Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me and was added to 5 as a bonus track in 1999.
[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I completely agree with you. Russians are very racist, ruthless and very corrupt. Russia is not a country I ever plan to visit. [/QUOTE]You mean all those bitches contacting me don't really want to fuck me?
Actually, I envision some vodka swilling Communist sending me love_mail via the internet is behind all the fine azz Russian women mail I keep getting. Phuck U USSR.
I wanted to visit Moscow, until they showed their true (new)colors. My boss looked into Putins eyes and found true love. GOP idiot.
We have enuff shyt with OBL, now the Communists are back.
O'DRAMA would win by a landslide if he were not Black. RACISM is everywhere-planet wide. Thats whats real.
[QUOTE=Sgt Perv]Ok my spelling sucks LOL [url]http: //en. Wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Cravitz[/url] This is what he was referring to. His cover version of The Guess Who's hit "American Woman" won him another Grammy at the Grammy Awards of 2000 and helped The Guess Who's song reach a new audience. Kravitz's version of the song originally came from the soundtrack of Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me and was added to 5 as a bonus track in 1999.[/QUOTE]Ooops, posters are all right. I always thought Jimi did it, but I probably just heard him doing a cover of it.
[quote=wet nose]ooops, posters are all right. i always thought jimi did it, but i probably just heard him doing a cover of it.[/quote]while we are on the topic of songs, anyone catch the lyrics to "i kissed a girl?"
goes like this... "us girls we are so magical soft skin, red lips, so kissable hard to resist so touchable too good to deny it."
yeah i know, she missed the part about how they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] perfume and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] butterflys, but thats more than enough to get a subliminal message across to young girls listening, along with the title content. truth is, she's just putting it out on full blast how the mindset of aw's work. if you didn't know, knew, or had a clue, now its official.
For bringing home the gold in soccer....
Gold in beach volleyball and Silver in softball.
Gold in the Women's Heavy Eights -
Just sandwich me in the middle of those Amazons. :)
[QUOTE=Sgt Perv]Gold in beach volleyball and Silver in softball.[/QUOTE]
How on God's Green Earth did we loose a Women's Softball game??????
Volleyball I would expect, Italy pushed them hard but they won anyway.
We are loosing are grip in track however, but overall we did pretty well this time.
I'm a proud American, not [i]Proud To Be American[/i], BIG DIFFERENCE....
[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]How on God's Green Earth did we loose a Women's Softball game?
Volleyball I would expect, Italy pushed them hard but they won anyway.
We are loosing are grip in track however, but overall we did pretty well this time.
I'm a proud American, not [i]Proud To Be American[/i], BIG DIFFERENCE....[/QUOTE] The great thing about being an American(USA) is if you are not PROUD to be one , you can leave cause there is a line of people to take your place. Some countries you do not have the option.
Kudos to the big man, Phelps, 8 medals, he won more medals than some countries did.
Nothing wrong with being proud to be an American, although I wonder about proud Canadians, and frankly I actually see more of them waving their maple leaves.
Vince Vaughn got played by a british chick in this flick.
Aargh!
Fellow members. Here is something to send chills down your spines.
For other Canuk members,more confirmation of what we already know.
For Uk members,a taste of things to come.
Check out [url]www.nationalpost.com[/url]. Go to the archives and the paper of
Wed. Aug 13,2008
About 1/3 to 1/2 way down in the Issues and Ideas section there are 2
articles . "Hear the Other Side" by Karen Selick and "The New Justice"
by Barbara Kay.
Has this crap found it's way to the US or other western countries?
LE
[QUOTE=Sgt Perv]The great thing about being an American(USA) is if you are not PROUD to be one , you can leave cause there is a line of people to take your place. Some countries you do not have the option.[/QUOTE]
There is no excuse for us to loose in sports like baseball, softball, basketball, and track and field. The athletes that loose in "Americanish" sports in the Games are a disgrace to the country.
[QUOTE=DirkDingy]There is no excuse for us to loose in sports like baseball, softball, basketball, and track and field. The athletes that loose in "Americanish" sports in the Games are a disgrace to the country.[/QUOTE]
I used to be a fan of American (USA) athletes, both women and men. But not any more.
It is not the same now as before, I think they have changed, in so many ways.
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]You mean all those bitches contacting me don't really want to fuck me?
Actually, I envision some vodka swilling Communist sending me love_mail via the internet is behind all the fine azz Russian women mail I keep getting. Phuck U USSR.
I wanted to visit Moscow, until they showed their true (new)colors. My boss looked into Putins eyes and found true love. GOP idiot.
We have enuff shyt with OBL, now the Communists are back.
O'DRAMA would win by a landslide if he were not Black. RACISM is everywhere-planet wide. Thats whats real.[/QUOTE]
Racism does exist but depending on one's socio-economic status and geographical location it can be almost totally mitigated today--especially in progressive places in the West. The delineation of racism and classism is becoming increasingly difficult for me to identify. I don't think that America has the race problem that some blacks on this board do. I also think it's generational. But, yeah, the old South is fucked up.
The reason why Obama isn't running away with the election--although he is under polling due to the large numbers of youth and inactive voters that will turn out for him--is that America does not like Ivy League eggheads as their CINC. Bush, who is the scion of wealth and privilege ran away from Yale, Andover, and HBS and recast himself as an average bloke from Texas. Kerry, the Francophile windsurfer was tossed under the bus even though we were up shit creek with out a paddle in Iraq and in the mist of a recession. Gore, the longwinded windbag was also rejected. Bill, who was an egghead, also has the ability to connect with the Bubbas in the world and puts on a good "i feel your pain" shuck and jive. Carter, Dukakis, Mondale all lost because they were more Harvard than Harley. You can be rich and privileged as a pol but it's not healthy to act like it. Fullstop.
Obama is very eggeheadish--opposed to a man's man like Colin Powell--is very liberal, and is black. The American electorate could swallow one or two of the aforementioned but the troika will leave a big lump in the throat. Add to that Obama's inexperience--he has the thinnest resume that I can think of a major candidate--and I can think of many reasons not to embrace him with open arms. However, America will say what the fuck and reluctantly vote for him because they can't afford another 4 years of Bush.
There are many reasons for and against Obama and race is not the only reason why America is skeptical of this man.
I told DJ and a few other brothers about how racist, very stereotypical, and very very stupid most EE and Russians are but they never seemed to want to hear what I had to say; i.e, EE is not a pussy nirvana for people of color. I am someone who works in that part of the world, lived in that part of the world, and whose maternal lineage hails from that part of the world so I know what I am talking about. I am a young black guy that worked (now a freelancer) for the Emerging Markets group of a multinational consulting firm and interacted with everyone from sr. level govt officials to poor students in some former eastern bloc countries. My understanding of the dynamics of these issues are more complete than anyone on this board and I got real frustrated when some ISG dude who had never been to Poland was writing about how Polish chicks just love all brothas when I had gotten off the plane from Krakow a few months prior. I guess some people just don't wanna hear what they don't wanna here.
Yes I screwed half of Moldova and a 5th of Romania and Bulgaria but there were many days when I told my Managing Director to get me the fuck off the projects that I working on because of the racism and disrespect I encountered from some ignorant Slavic imbed who couldn't even figure out an Excel spreadsheet. I guess if one brotha goes to Bucharest for a week, stays at the JW, hangs out in Planters, and picks up on poor student girls or adventurous artsy fartsies then he will think that Romanian girls are crazy for blacks...just like if someone thinks that all actors in LA are rich and famous.
The bottom is line is that being black puts you at more of a disadvantage then it does back home with chicks in EE but that if you are good looking, have money, and are interesting you can still score a shipload of hot babes.
And yes, Russia is a fucked up, violent, and brainwashed place full of small minded, crude, and myopic people. But the girls there will suck your dick for as long as it takes you to cum. I love Russian chicks.
i just got back from 10 days in dc and nyc and have come to the conclusion that america is full of hot and cool chicks. in fact, as someone who has sampled chicks from in every continent but africa i think that the women in nyc and dc rival women from anywhere in the world. walking down 5th ave i could barely contain my woody.
you guys whining about aw are fucking crazy. i had three dates with aw, and bonked one of them after i took her home from a georgetown bar. all of them were cute, one was fine, and for the first time in a long time i felt that i was with women who were an equal and a peer and not some stupid gold digger or ee head fuck case with a bum and drunk for a father.. i just love the diversity of america too—one was a blonde chick from delaware, one was a persian, and the other a black dominican...ay popeeeah.
american women rock. if you disagree you are gay.
there were too many fat ones but there were just as many with rock hard bodies.
also, to my balls and likely unborn child’s delight, i’ve found that you don’t have to go to ee to exploit ee chicks. while decked out in my breitling and koa san road suit (that even my boss thinks costs 2k) i picked up a smokin’ lithuanian work travel student from the pentagon city mall selling lapel pins. she was obviously looking to stay in the states longer rent free and was searching for a man to shack up with. i took her to espn zone in baltimore and then back to my hotel room…we stayed together from that moment on road tripping up and down the upper eastern seaboard until my flight to narita. the girl had been in america for the entire summer and has never once been to a decent sit-down restaurant in dc or for drinks at a place where the clientele wears collared shirts.
you guys are slippin. maybe its american men that suck and not aw. this girl was a head turner dolled up and a babe dressed down.
being that i am headed for a year or two in a small wealthy gulf state—and that she’s gotta be pregnant from the three-six time daily dose of cum inside her—and my current moldavinka making 3k a month in moscow playing project manager trainee won’t pick up the phone, i think i just found my new live in blondinka to make all the other yanks in the desert envy me.
god bless america.
So Dirk, you are African American?? One one line you said you had EE lineage? I guess your mixed? I actually know that Eastern Europe and Russia are known to be very racist. I also was with a blonde Ukrainian ten years my junior, was a bit hesitant when I first met her. She always kept smiling at me. Later I realized she had some really big issues, her dad ran away when she was three. Her mother remarried a Jewish Ukrainian guy. The family fled Ukraine and lives in Germany, both parents are on the dole. One day she said her stepdad wanted to take her to Israel and she was not interested. She also said most Ukrainian guys sit at home and drink all day. Then a few days later I went to her apartment, found out she was drunk...at 10AM in the morning. Very sad, but a nice piece of ass.
Still I met a much better overall woman in Australia, mixed race, father was British, mother was Japanese. She is a doctor, the fourth generation of physicians in her family. Has a brother who lives in the US in SF. An independent foreign woman, who owns her own apartment, drives a BMW, and is probably not likely to suck my bank account dry but will suck something else bone dry :) . I think you can find women like this in the USA but you have to work very hard.
I also notice that Asian women have a neutral body odor, in fact, nearly none at all. If you have ever been around a white woman who has not showered, they have a smell, usually cheese or yogurt like, fly on Air France on a long trip, you will notice it.
I do agree Russia and EE have big racial issues. Western Europe though is not a worry. Its also a fact that the vast majority of EEs will just use a guy for chance to get out of their troubled lives. I have seen this in Australia where older middle aged guys travel to Russia, pick up a woman, take them back to her home, the women then runs to social services accusing the guy of abuse, then they get into the country and get the guy's house.
Who do I think would be a better potential mother to my future children? The latter by a very long shot. I would prefer a half Asian half white physician to a drunk blonde Paris Hilton wannabe from Ukraine who is just looking for a green card or way out of her mess.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]So Dirk, you are African American?? One one line you said you had EE lineage? I guess your mixed? I actually know that Eastern Europe and Russia are known to be very racist. I also was with a blonde Ukrainian ten years my junior, was a bit hesitant when I first met her. She always kept smiling at me. Later I realized she had some really big issues, her dad ran away when she was three. Her mother remarried a Jewish Ukrainian guy. The family fled Ukraine and lives in Germany, both parents are on the dole. One day she said her stepdad wanted to take her to Israel and she was not interested. She also said most Ukrainian guys sit at home and drink all day. Then a few days later I went to her apartment, found out she was drunk...at 10AM in the morning. Very sad, but a nice piece of ass.
Still I met a much better overall woman in Australia, mixed race, father was British, mother was Japanese. She is a doctor, the fourth generation of physicians in her family. Has a brother who lives in the US in SF. An independent foreign woman, who owns her own apartment, drives a BMW, and is probably not likely to suck my bank account dry but will suck something else bone dry :) . I think you can find women like this in the USA but you have to work very hard.
I also notice that Asian women have a neutral body odor, in fact, nearly none at all. If you have ever been around a white woman who has not showered, they have a smell, usually cheese or yogurt like, fly on Air France on a long trip, you will notice it.
I do agree Russia and EE have big racial issues. Western Europe though is not a worry. Its also a fact that the vast majority of EEs will just use a guy for chance to get out of their troubled lives. I have seen this in Australia where older middle aged guys travel to Russia, pick up a woman, take them back to her home, the women then runs to social services accusing the guy of abuse, then they get into the country and get the guy's house.
Who do I think would be a better potential mother to my future children? The latter by a very long shot. I would prefer a half Asian half white physician to a drunk blonde Paris Hilton wannabe from Ukraine who is just looking for a green card or way out of her mess.[/QUOTE]
The FSU familial structure is fucked up. Many of those girls are damaged goods as the collapse of the USSR made most of their fathers and brothers abusive drunks. It's really hard to find a girl in Moldova or Eastern Ukraine with a dad who doesn't drink and is gainfully employed. When you fuck them after an alcohol induced night at a disco you don't notice it, but when you start to have a meaningful relationship with them it materializes to the detriment of the relationship.
If one doesn't live and work there this will not be noticed.
I swear former FSU people act more "niggerish" in their kvartals than any majority black public housing block in New Orelans.
That being said, I had some great times behind the former iron curtain and my white colleagues said that they were treated the exact same way by the "client" too (most of the time the funding was USG tax dollars). And the NATO EE countries are ions ahead of the Russia and Ukraine. The Romanians are particularly adept at sucking up to and bedding down with anyone that they think will further their career or their nation..think WWII...they were proud Nazis but when they saw the Wermacht getting rolled they joined the Allied effort with nary a second thought.
I don't really fear a foreign chick leaving me when they get to the States. I fear not finding one able to tolerate me. At this point, I am more concerned about the inside of a chick--as long as she is hot, in shape, and adventurous--than I am about her skin color. I am under 30, have a white collar job, an Ivy League degree, and don't really think a chick of any color is going to get a huge upgrade over me. unless she wants a filthy rich or famous dude, but I would never seriously consider a woman with a character like that.
GBGB...there are tons of educated, good looking, and fun chicks in America. Hit places like Tyson's Corner in Va or the burbs of Chicago and you will undoubtedly agree with me. In fact, these girls have a hard time finding men of equal caliber.
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1] I grew up in a prominent American slum with fucking nothing. Now I walk/ride around Dubai/Tokyo with thousands of dollars in diamonds on (all paid for by the US government) do I fit your fucking stereotype.[/QUOTE]umm kinda, black guy gets money and spends it on bling. your money is your money, but i think that people without wealth should build some as opposed to pissing it away on superficial shit.
JM2C
I think Asia-Pacific is going the destination for pussy in the coming years. Think about cars. You can put a lot of mileage on Asian automobiles and it will still drive good years later. Drive a European or American car around a lot and it will start to have problems. Get the analogy?
White women fall apart very quickly in the looks department. Check out Paris Hilton's mom, that is going to be Paris in the future. Maybe its all the processed crap in Western diets doing the damage.
A lot of guys do not want an "equal", they would rather take an Eastern European head case who happens to be piece of nice ass. The typical guy seeks good sex, he does not really care about other things, that only happens with regards to LTR. EE chicks are good pieces of ass. I have had a lot of experiences with them, good in the STR, not so good if you want one to be the mother of your kids. I used to have a Polish neighbor and her son was a punk.
I think Asians are overall better for wifey things. They have no issues with cooking or cleaning, white women tend to be filthy.
I am in BKK now and these girls don't do anything for me. Some are cute, but I don't generally find them attractive. Japenese chicks are ok though.
I agree about EE chicks being great STR but awful in the long run. The best LTR are people from your own ilk.
[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]I think Asia-Pacific is going the destination for pussy in the coming years. Think about cars. You can put a lot of mileage on Asian automobiles and it will still drive good years later. Drive a European or American car around a lot and it will start to have problems. Get the analogy?
White women fall apart very quickly in the looks department. I think Asians are overall better for wifey things. They have no issues with cooking or cleaning, white women tend to be filthy.[/QUOTE]You're confused CBGB. White isn't always white. :)
White women CAN hold their value and looks longer than either Asians, latinas or blacks.
I could spend the rest of my life screwing 35-45 year old Scandis and Germans if I wanted too.. but then again why do so when there are 25 year olds available.
Asians age poorly in my opinion and they get saggy ass really quickly. There are differences in ethnic groups as well. I think Malays and Indonesians do better than Chinese for example.
East Africans age well too, and the coming generations of EE women will as well since they are living more comfortable lives than their mothers and grandmothers did.
I suppose the key is how one takes care of oneself.. white people shouldn't get too much sun for example. Looks great at 22... makes your skin leather by 40.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]You're confused CBGB. White isn't always white. :)
East Africans age well too, and the coming generations of EE women will as well since they are living more comfortable lives than their mothers and grandmothers did.
I suppose the key is how one takes care of oneself.. white people shouldn't get too much sun for example. Looks great at 22... makes your skin leather by 40.[/QUOTE]Yes but they (EE) all smoke or sit in smoke filled places and their diets' suck.
Hay Skank, is it possible for a Moldovan with no education to get a job at Mirex in Moscow making 3k a month? Thanks.
Everyone has a different view of beauty, in my opinion I am finding Asians to be more attractive overall than women of European origin. There is a big difference between them in terms of lifestyle and in particular diet.
I noticed my current woman, and the way she smells in the morning...does not have any noticable body odor, and its due to a heavily vegetable based diet with little dairy or animal products. Overall with regards to Asian women this could change as their diets become more Westernized.
Did you see the Chinese beach volleyball players?? If that is what they are producing, I will gladly join the Communist party.
I have seen quite a few Scandinavian women, middle aged German women are pretty hefty, many look like Angela Merkel. I went to quite a few saunas over there hoping to see some nice nude young women, and saw mostly middle aged German women in the nude.
Some Asian women do fall apart in the looks department, yet I have see many who have been able to maintain their looks well into middle age.
I could practically sail to Malaysia and Indonesia from my part of the world, and women from both countries can be stunning.
I used to find European women more attractive but many aspects of Asian women just make them better.
[QUOTE=Anonymous]I swear former FSU people act more "niggerish" in their kvartals than any majority black public housing block in New Orelans.
GBGB...there are tons of educated, good looking, and fun chicks in America. Hit places like Tyson's Corner in Va or the burbs of Chicago and you will undoubtedly agree with me. In fact, these girls have a hard time finding men of equal caliber.[/QUOTE]"Equal caliber"...Thats the mantra of millions of women with higher educations, and a closet full of shoes calling great blue-collar guys,"Not good enough".
Get back on topic prick. Theres gonna be a nigger in the White House whether you like it or not.
[QUOTE=Anonymous]Yes but they (EE) all smoke or sit in smoke filled places and their diets' suck.
Hay Skank, is it possible for a Moldovan with no education to get a job at Mirex in Moscow making 3k a month? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Mirax is one of the largest (maybe the largest) property developers in the world now, they do pay well. But 3K with no education? Seems high as all she could get PROBABLY is secretarial work and that should pay no more than $1200 entry level. Or maybe somebody took a liking to her and needed a "personal secretary"?
How's her language ability? Russian/English top?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Mirax is one of the largest (maybe the largest) property developers in the world now, they do pay well. But 3K with no education? Seems high as all she could get PROBABLY is secretarial work and that should pay no more than $1200 entry level. Or maybe somebody took a liking to her and needed a "personal secretary"?
How's her language ability? Russian/English top?[/QUOTE]Thanks. Her English is good, but no formal education in English or anything else. She was selling perfume at an airport before she split for Moscow. She is smart though. Good woman for me but a total fucking head case.
She has her own apartment so she must be making at least 2k a month. I'm a little salty now because we split up and I eschewed the professional opportunity of a lifetime in my field in order to take a well paying but out of my career and dull job with a firm in a place where we could start a family together. Too bad, my new babe from Villinus will have to do.
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]"Equal caliber"...Thats the mantra of millions of women with higher educations, and a closet full of shoes calling great blue-collar guys,"Not good enough".
Get back on topic prick. Theres gonna be a nigger in the White House whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]You guys are bitching like my little sister over how fouled up American woman are when some American men have nothing to offer them...especially a few posters on this board.
Regardless, people are most likely to encounter successful relationships with people of their own socioeconomic class and education level. Do you really dispute this? A corporate attorney has very little in common with a retail sales person. what the fuck can they discuss?
If you had a daughter that busted her ass, got a degree, and has a good job and a good credit report you wouldn't want her with a broke dude working at the mall.
sex can't sustain a relationship like beer can't be one's only liquid.
the only way a dude can be sustained by a hot but dumb wife is if he's already had his family with another lady and/or doesn't rely on her or treat her as a partner.
I need a partner, a rock, and an equal, not a piece of useless eyecandy. When I am 45 I might change my tune though:)
that being said, any employment is admirable and one's profession is often a result of opportunity more than anything else.
What's up with the nigger in the whitehouse comment?
I like Obama, but I think it's important that our President be prepared to handle the job. I am black and want to see a black president but that's not the only factor I care about. The next President is going to have to bomb Iran or prod Israel to do it and is going to have to go toe-to-toe with a militaristic and troublesome Russia that only understands force. Obama and the rest of the neoliberals--if he is in fact one--need to understand that our enemies need a smack upside the head as opposed to an erudite lecture.
And don't be so sure he will win. All I am hearing is African -American this and first black that on CNN about Obama. I sure hope that mainstream America doesn't get turned off by all of this and pull a Bradley effect on him in November. They wrote Nixon off too but his silent majority led him to victory.
maybe we should all emulate this.
in a brief break from a fierce advertising war, republican presidential candidate john mccain will air a one-evening-only ad with a simple message for barack obama: "job well done."
the ad will air before, during and after obama's nomination acceptance speech on national cable television.
in the ad, mccain addresses obama directly, congratulating him for becoming the democratic party's nominee. mccain also recognizes the symbolism of a black man accepting the nomination on the 45th anniversary of the rev. martin luther king jr.'s "i have a dream" speech.
mccain says: "senator obama, this is truly a good day for america. too often the achievements of our opponents go unnoticed. so i wanted to stop and say, congratulations. how perfect that your nomination would come on this historic day. tomorrow, we'll be back at it. but tonight senator, job well done."
while the ad represents a moment of comity, it also casts mccain as a generous and gracious rival on the final day of the democratic national convention where mccain was regularly portrayed in a negative light.
as mccain concedes, this won't last.
both candidates have been running a series of ads criticizing each other, vastly
[QUOTE=Anonymous]She has her own apartment so she must be making at least 2k a month. I'm a little salty now because we split up and I eschewed the professional opportunity of a lifetime in my field in order to take a well paying but out of my career and dull job with a firm in a place where we could start a family together. Too bad, my new babe from Villinus will have to do.[/QUOTE]That's a bummer, I guess she didn't know a good thing when she had it.
Moscow is a shark tank now, too many young good-looking or at least not atrocious-looking guys with way too much money throwing it around.
It's a bit like NY in the 80s or California in the 90s dot.com boom. 28 year olds with Ferraris paid for in cash.
So it could very well be that she is seeing a lot of cash thrown around. Still, Moscow is the easiest place on the planet to score fine poon IMO.. but you do need to bring some cash and position with you to swim.
She's Moldovan, man. Unpredictable.
So is one of my newest "gf", we've only known each other a week now... so things very very fresh and hot.
I will agree with you that American girls have their qualities and aren't as bad as often portrayed here (I posted essentially the same about a week before), but I still find Euro and Slavic girls overall more attractive, at least physically.
Nonetheless, there is something infinitely refreshing about relating to a girl from your own culture and not filtering through a sea of cultural issues with every lover's spat.
[QUOTE=Anonymous]You guys are bitching like my little sister over how fouled up American woman are when some American men have nothing to offer them...especially a few posters on this board.
Regardless, people are most likely to encounter successful relationships with people of their own socioeconomic class and education level. Do you really dispute this? A corporate attorney has very little in common with a retail sales person. what the fuck can they discuss?
If you had a daughter that busted her ass, got a degree, and has a good job and a good credit report you wouldn't want her with a broke dude working at the mall.
sex can't sustain a relationship like beer can't be one's only liquid.
the only way a dude can be sustained by a hot but dumb wife is if he's already had his family with another lady and/or doesn't rely on her or treat her as a partner.
I need a partner, a rock, and an equal, not a piece of useless eyecandy. When I am 45 I might change my tune though:)
that being said, any employment is admirable and one's profession is often a result of opportunity more than anything else.
What's up with the nigger in the whitehouse comment?
I like Obama, but I think it's important that our President be prepared to handle the job. I am black and want to see a black president but that's not the only factor I care about. The next President is going to have to bomb Iran or prod Israel to do it and is going to have to go toe-to-toe with a militaristic and troublesome Russia that only understands force. Obama and the rest of the neoliberals--if he is in fact one--need to understand that our enemies need a smack upside the head as opposed to an erudite lecture.
And don't be so sure he will win. All I am hearing is African -American this and first black that on CNN about Obama. I sure hope that mainstream America doesn't get turned off by all of this and pull a Bradley effect on him in November. They wrote Nixon off too but his silent majority led him to victory.[/QUOTE]
What can't they discuss? Who likes bringing work home? Theres plenty more shit in this world? Your whole report is what has been wrong with people for a long ass time..Your grouping people and stereotyping. Just like a lot of cunts that ASSUME your fucked up because your don't have higher learning.
*What about the janitor that reads Shakespeare, he's out there.
*What about that mall kid that voluteers his time, he's out there too.
In fairness, I won't say all women do this. Just the spoiled women with lots of shoes. I will also agree that it's only human nature for women to select the Alpha male.
I'm also disappointed to see that your Black and just throwing out the nigger comment...you threw it out there. You and rappers try making saying nigger cool. People died over that word, but your not quite 45 so you don't know history( or flunked it). You make it ok for everybody to disrespect you. But you don't have a record deal to get paid to use it. Remember this forum is about women, not niggers.
Mr. Jackson..Pls start a nigger forum so idiots and racist can go and post. I just like to read, discuss and get pussy.
That mall kid would only be given a chance by a very attractive, blonde,Harvard-No, not even that school, say....ummm...a community college graduate..if and only if:
1.He looks like Brad Pitt
2.Has rich parents
3.Has 1 and 2 and she feels she can change him
That's whas up..
I am Brock O'Drama and I approve this message
[QUOTE=Anonymous]umm kinda, black guy gets money and spends it on bling. your money is your money, but i think that people without wealth should build some as opposed to pissing it away on superficial shit.
JM2C[/QUOTE]Black guy gets money and does what the fuck he wants to do because that what money does it gives you freedom. So I fit the description because I bought some diamond jewelry. Caucasians started this bling shit. Well to do Caucasians spend their money on paintings and vases, some guys call some guys silly for paying for hookers is that superficial? Nope that’s what they like man get your condescending ass out of here. Here I am trying to defend a brother against white racist attacks then you with your Ivy league ass take the time to kick down another black man now that’s black (typical).
[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Black guy gets money and does what the fuck he wants to do because that what money does it give you freedom. So I fit the description because I bought some diamond jewelry. Caucasians started this bling shit. Well to do Caucasians spend their money on paintings and vases is that superficial? Nope that’s what they like man get your condescending ass out of here. Here I am trying to defend a brother against white racist attacks then you with your Ivy league ass take the time to kick down another black man now that’s black (typical).[/QUOTE]
fuck that bit*h ass sell out...we wasted enough time correcting him.
He's still jackin off to Pamela Anderson and EU cunts.
I can still see those worn out Russian hoes in Bahrain that wanted 150 bucks for a half hour.
I guezz we posed ta be bowin down, shuckin n jivin. We juss a cuple a niggaz, don kno nufin! Who dat der nigga wanna b presdent. Lawdy I miss massa strom dumond and massa joe wallice. dey sho help me in truble times.
**** Idiot.****
Back to the task at hand..American women. Love fucking any women really.
Latin countries have it right. Keep your pimp hand strong! Machismo keeps men in much respect in Latin America..actually in the rest of the world really.
Go to any US strip club, you will get fucked, but never laid!
Marry in the US, you will get laid, then fucked! It's just what happens here. Grass is always greener for both of you, elsewhere. Unless you have the morals of Jesus.
You need to wake up Dick..eh Dirk
For you my brother, the reality is:
You wanna fuck a:
Fine white women here in the US:
Prostitution or she is just curious. Marriage aint happening.
Fat white woman: Thier everywhere. White guys tell me we can have the rejects.
Latin: You better have some money or looks. Esp in San Diego. They will cut her tits off for being with you. Mexican Mafia is alive and well.
Asian: Surely you jest. ODRAMA cant get an Asian woman in the USA!
Fat Black woman: EASY but expect some noise.
Black n Attractive: Expect some work. And you BETTA accept her kids!
Black, Attractive and Educated: Are you running for President of the USA?
American Indian: Just met and have been bangin the sweetest 1ST American, that I have ever met. Cherokee queen has shown me more love than my mother. I love you babe, but I won't marry your ass! I hope you know that this is just sex!
I will be in TJ this glorius weekend. As I said, your Black ass can't get a beautiful Latina unless your paying for it. So I'm gonna pay..
OK fuc you DD I'm going to the photo section...BTW your an idiot
[QUOTE=Anonymous]American women rock. If you disagree you are gay.
[/QUOTE]Although I have no problems color coordinating, and can appreciate the theater, I can assure you I'm not gay.
[QUOTE=Anonymous] I picked up a smokin’ Lithuanian work travel student from the Pentagon City mall selling lapel pins. [/QUOTE]But I thought you said American women rock? Why did you pick up a Lithuanian? Are you gay?
[QUOTE=Anonymous] A corporate attorney has very little in common with a retail sales person. what the fuck can they discuss?[/QUOTE]I don't know, you tell us, you're the one who has an Ivy League degree that has supposedly impregnated a Lithuanian girl that sells lapel pins at the Pentagon City mall. What do you guys talk about?
[QUOTE=Anonymous]I need a partner, a rock, and an equal, not a piece of useless eyecandy.[/QUOTE]So, a woman that sells pins at the mall is your equal??
[quote=anonymous]i told dj and a few other brothers about how racist, very stereotypical, and very very stupid most ee and russians are but they never seemed to want to hear what i had to say; i.e, ee is not a pussy nirvana for people of color. i am someone who works in that part of the world, lived in that part of the world, and whose maternal lineage hails from that part of the world so i know what i am talking about. i am a young black guy that worked (now a freelancer) for the emerging markets group of a multinational consulting firm and interacted with everyone from sr. level govt officials to poor students in some former eastern bloc countries. my understanding of the dynamics of these issues are more complete than anyone on this board and i got real frustrated when some isg dude who had never been to poland was writing about how polish chicks just love all brothas when i had gotten off the plane from krakow a few months prior. i guess some people just don't wanna hear what they don't wanna here.
yes i screwed half of moldova and a 5th of romania and bulgaria but there were many days when i told my managing director to get me the fuck off the projects that i working on because of the racism and disrespect i encountered from some ignorant slavic imbed who couldn't even figure out an excel spreadsheet. i guess if one brotha goes to bucharest for a week, stays at the jw, hangs out in planters, and picks up on poor student girls or adventurous artsy fartsies then he will think that romanian girls are crazy for blacks...just like if someone thinks that all actors in la are rich and famous.
the bottom is line is tha